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Check the first few paragraphs, they caught a ham sandwich on a passenger from China and that could potentially, if left unchecked, have spread this swine fever into the US.
Disease that killed millions of China's pigs poses global threat
Tom Polansek
CHICAGO (Reuters) - Bettie the beagle, a detector dog for U.S. Customs and Border Protection, picked up the scent of pork on a woman arriving from China at Chicago’s O’Hare International Airport.
Soon the dog’s handler discovered and confiscated a ham sandwich in the purse of a passenger who had flown on a China Eastern Airlines flight from Shanghai.
The danger? That the food might be contaminated with African swine fever and spread the disease to the United States. China has lost millions of pigs in outbreaks of the disease, pushing its pork prices to record highs, forcing purchases of costly imports and roiling global meat markets.
Read more at: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-swinefever-disease-insight/disease-that-killed-millions-of-chinas-pigs-poses-global-threat-idUSKBN1ZF1FP (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-swinefever-disease-insight/disease-that-killed-millions-of-chinas-pigs-poses-global-threat-idUSKBN1ZF1FP)
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China confirms 139 cases of new virus in two days
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The majority of cases have been detected in the city of Wuhan
Chinese authorities have reported 139 new cases of a mysterious virus in two days, marking the first time that the infection has been confirmed in the country outside of Wuhan city.
The new cases were identified in the cities of Wuhan, Beijing and Shenzhen.
The total number of confirmed cases now exceeds 200, and three have died from the respiratory illness.
Read more at: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51171035?intlink_from_url=https://www.bbc.com/news/world&link_location=live-reporting-story (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51171035?intlink_from_url=https://www.bbc.com/news/world&link_location=live-reporting-story)
It seems like 139 is quite a jump in new cases, few people have died from it though...."reader" version used to post this.
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It's a big jump alright. It's bad news it's in Beijing and Shenzhen now. I had work friends in both cities, before they stole my job so I could retire.
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@TomSea
@Once-Ler
@mystery-ak
@musiclady
@roamer_1
I will tell you how a new virus emerges from China and spreads around the world - I wrote about this in my book, "Emergencies Happen! Be Prepared Now!".
I was in China and saw how it happens; not long after I got home, another new virus was in China and they did extensive research and found what I already knew due to seeing the possibility. They could have saved a lot of money if they had called me - I would have told them - wild birds/ducks/chickens/sickness/deaths.
I was in the Chinese countryside where solid white Pekin Ducks are raised. They live in the entire open countryside (not in pens or coops) - as far as you can see, it looks like snow covers the land. These ducks have free roam walking among the people. Went to an open market - the ducks were walking among us and there were dead ducks and dead chickens hanging up on wires for sale.
This is what happens and what their researchers found:
1. Wild diseased birds land on the ducks and spread the new virus to the ducks, where they, unknowingly,
2. infect chickens on farms as they mingle among the chickens.
3. The farmers kill their chickens for family food, handle the dead chickens, getting the virus all over the farmer cooks, who spread the virus to the family members,
4. who spread it to everyone with whom they come in contact so the virial disease infects others.
5. Someone infected travels by air, spreads it to passengers who spread it when they leave the plane, and continue to infect others in the country where they now are.
6. At the end of the research for this virus, they now know the ducks must be killed to stop the spread of the virus. They killed all ducks where disease was.
So, now, today, there is a new virus. Can't kill all wild birds, so, I believe thousands/to millions of Pekin Ducts are going to be killed again. It is also possible that mosquitoes bite the wild birds, carry the virus, and then bite Pekin Ducks.
Advice: If you fly to somewhere, do not use the first bathroom available when you get off the plane. People tend to go to the first one so they can have more privacy than on the plane and anyone sick is for sure going to that one and they will leave virus or bacteria in that bathroom. Wait until you get to another bathroom away from the first one. When you have finished using the potty, do not touch your face until after you wash your hands well with provided soap and water. After that, if you have a bottle or sheet of hand sanitizer, use it when out of the bathroom.
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What is scary about these new viruses is it takes a few months (I’m being optimistic) to make a vaccine and then a few months to bring it to market..
By then who knows how many can be infected? Look at the Spanish Flu from 1918.
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Wuhan is a major industrial city. Shenzhen is near Hong Kong. The virus has progressed to two major international transportation hubs.
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@TomSea
@Once-Ler
@mystery-ak
@musiclady
@roamer_1
@Gefn
As I said about the open market where ducks walk through the people and dead ducks and chickens are hanging for people to buy - this new virus came from a market where live poultry is sold:
"The virus emerged in the city of Wuhan.
The government of Wuhan, a city in central China, first confirmed on Dec. 31 that hospitals in the city were treating dozens of patients for pneumonia with an unknown cause.
Many of the cases were connected to the Huanan Seafood Market, which also sold live poultry and exotic animal meats. Considered a likely source of the virus, the market was closed and disinfected."
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It is not yet clear if the virus is transmittable human to human. As I understand “nearly†all “reported†cases, within and outside of China are people who live or passed through Wuhan and through exposure to animals at a market in Wuhan that sells seafood and live animals. However, health commissioners in Wuhan said on Sunday that some people who had come down with the virus had no exposure to the market but are not sure if they were at other similar markets in the city. This is what officials in China are saying however WHO is saying that there has been some human to human transmission.
If the virus has made a jump from animal > human transmission to human > human transmission that could be very bad especially since this is novel virus that I presume to which we have no immunity. And viruses have a nasty habit of mutating.
New China virus: Cases triple as infection spreads to Beijing and Shanghai
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51171035 (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51171035)
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@TomSea
@Once-Ler
@mystery-ak
@musiclady
@roamer_1
@Gefn
As I said about the open market where ducks walk through the people and dead ducks and chickens are hanging for people to buy - this new virus came from a market where live poultry was sold:
"The virus emerged in the city of Wuhan.
The government of Wuhan, a city in central China, first confirmed on Dec. 31 that hospitals in the city were treating dozens of patients for pneumonia with an unknown cause.
Many of the cases were connected to the Huanan Seafood Market, which also sold live poultry and exotic animal meats. Considered a likely source of the virus, the market was closed and disinfected."
But it is important to understand that while there can be animal to human transmission of some viruses, it is when it becomes transmittable human to human when it becomes a much larger concern. You can shut down markets, disinfect them, kill off all the infected animals or those suspected of being infected, but if and once it is transmittable human to human, it then becomes much more difficult to contain.
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It is not yet clear if the virus is transmittable human to human. As I understand “nearly†all “reported†cases, within and outside of China are people who live or passed through Wuhan and through exposure to animals at a market in Wuhan that sells seafood and live animals. However, health commissioners in Wuhan said on Sunday that some people who had come down with the virus had no exposure to the market but are not sure if they were at other similar markets in the city. This is what officials in China are saying however WHO is saying that there has been some human to human transmission.
If the virus has made a jump from animal > human transmission to human > human transmission that could be very bad especially since this is novel virus that I presume to which we have no immunity. And viruses have a nasty habit of mutating.
New China virus: Cases triple as infection spreads to Beijing and Shanghai
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51171035 (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51171035)
My understanding is, some of the patients never went to the Market that is the focus of the outbreak. The implication is, they likely caught it from a human. Human > human transmission is a possible culprit.
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My understanding is, some of the patients never went to the Market that is the focus of the outbreak. The implication is, they likely caught it from a human. Human > human transmission is a possible culprit.
Yes, that seems to be the implication.
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Now, a case in South Korea. They found one in Japan yesterday.
https://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/world/2020/01/20/SKorea-confirms-first-case-of-new-coronavirus-in-Chinese-visitor.html (https://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/world/2020/01/20/SKorea-confirms-first-case-of-new-coronavirus-in-Chinese-visitor.html)
I did see some article mentioning that "human-to-human" transmission. I don't want to misquote on this serious matter.
And, last week, they confiscated a "ham sandwich" coming from China of all things at O'Hare airport in Chicago. I know, that sounds a bit wild to say.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-swinefever-disease-insight/disease-that-killed-millions-of-chinas-pigs-poses-global-threat-idUSKBN1ZF1FP (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-swinefever-disease-insight/disease-that-killed-millions-of-chinas-pigs-poses-global-threat-idUSKBN1ZF1FP)
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Human-to-human link to some cases of new China virus, Sars expert says
Priority now must be to stop emergence of ‘super-spreader’, with one carrier already infecting more than a dozen medical personnel, specialist says
Authorities in Wuhan, the epicentre of the coronavirus outbreak, report a third death and more than 130 new cases over the weekend
One of China’s leading specialists in communicable diseases has warned that human-to-human transmission is responsible for some cases of a previously unknown coronavirus that has killed three people in the Chinese city of Wuhan.
Read more at: https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3046908/new-china-virus-likely-human-transmission-stage-infections (https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3046908/new-china-virus-likely-human-transmission-stage-infections)
So, this expert claims it has been happening.
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Now, a case in South Korea. They found one in Japan yesterday.
https://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/world/2020/01/20/SKorea-confirms-first-case-of-new-coronavirus-in-Chinese-visitor.html (https://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/world/2020/01/20/SKorea-confirms-first-case-of-new-coronavirus-in-Chinese-visitor.html)
I did see some article mentioning that "human-to-human" transmission. I don't want to misquote on this serious matter.
And, last week, they confiscated a "ham sandwich" coming from China of all things at O'Hare airport in Chicago. I know, that sounds a bit wild to say.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-swinefever-disease-insight/disease-that-killed-millions-of-chinas-pigs-poses-global-threat-idUSKBN1ZF1FP (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-swinefever-disease-insight/disease-that-killed-millions-of-chinas-pigs-poses-global-threat-idUSKBN1ZF1FP)
FWIW the woman in South Korea per your link: "The patient is a 35-year-old Chinese woman who flew from Wuhan."
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China virus prompts U.S. precautions as human-to-human transmission confirmed
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/china-virus-outbreak-wuhan-coronavirus-spread-us-cdc-officials-screen-passengers-today-2020-01-20/
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@TomSea
@Once-Ler
@mystery-ak
@musiclady
@roamer_1
@Gefn
@corbe
I wrote the below, then CNN has just come on (7 am central),saying 300 people are known to be infected in four Asian countries; it is person to person spreading; 14 nurses were infected who were taking care of those with this virus. The World Heath people meet tomorrow about this.
Screening happening now:
"Wuhan is the most populous city in central China, with about 11 million people. All three U.S. airports where the CDC will do its screenings have direct flights from Wuhan."
"The CDC said some of the dozens of patients sickened in the 2019-nCoV outbreak may have contracted the disease from other people (it is confirmed now). Most of the patients have links to a seafood and at least one animal market, where authorities suspect they contracted the disease from an animal, the CDC said, citing Chinese health officials."
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Why is it that China seems to be the source for so many of these outbreaks?
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@TomSea
@Once-Ler
@mystery-ak
@musiclady
@roamer_1
@Gefn
@corbe
I wrote the below, then CNN has just come on (7 am central),saying 300 people are known to be infected in four Asian countries; it is person to person spreading; 14 nurses were infected who were taking care of those with this virus. The World Heath people meet tomorrow about this.
Screening happening now:
"Wuhan is the most populous city in central China, with about 11 million people. All three U.S. airports where the CDC will do its screenings have direct flights from Wuhan."
"The CDC said some of the dozens of patients sickened in the 2019-nCoV outbreak may have contracted the disease from other people (it is confirmed now). Most of the patients have links to a seafood and at least one animal market, where authorities suspect they contracted the disease from an animal, the CDC said, citing Chinese health officials."
Thanks for the update @Victoria33 888heartkitty
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@bigheadfred
This may explain the spread of China's new virus
www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEARtTBHXEw4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEARtTBHXEw4#)
In a nutshell you have markets in China and probably elsewhere in Asia that sell both live farm raised and live wild animals, like wild ducks and geese but also more exotic animals like civet cats, porcupines, etc., for food consumption, all together in close quarters with each other and with humans, and in very unclean conditions – lots of cross contamination, no running water….
Also factor in rivers polluted with both animal and human sewage, where, say for instance wild geese and wild duck swim and feed from that also mingle with nearby farm raised poultry.
A case can also be made for populations increases that cause land development in once remote areas where few humans previous ventured and thus never before having been exposed to some of these viruses that were long contained within the local animal populations.
Viruses are known to jump species. It is thought that bats are a natural reservoir for many viruses including SARS (as are civet cats also a natural host for SARS) and so other animals, pigs, poultry can be exposed to their droppings and if that virus makes a species jump from say from bat to bird or pig to, that virus can also make the jump to infect humans.
Sometimes a virus can only be transmitted from for example a bird to a human either through handling or consuming as food, and so that virus may not be transmittable human to human, at least until the virus makes another jump when it mutates to “see†humans as a good host for infecting others. And this appears to be what has happened in this case.
Here is another explanation that has both a video and a transcript.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/southern-china-hotbed-disease-develop (https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/southern-china-hotbed-disease-develop)
While I find most Hollywood movies that attempt to explain anything medical or scientific laughable at best, the 2011 movie Contagion did a decent job in portraying a catastrophic outbreak of a novel and deadly, easily transmitted virus. The ending shows some the scenarios I talked about above. Plus Gweneth Paltrow as patient Zero. : )
www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1HH1-ozS_A&t=84s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1HH1-ozS_A&t=84s#)
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@bigheadfred
This may explain the spread of China's new virus
www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEARtTBHXEw4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEARtTBHXEw4#)
In a nutshell you have markets in China and probably elsewhere in Asia that sell both live farm raised and live wild animals, like wild ducks and geese but also more exotic animals like civet cats, porcupines, etc., for food consumption, all together in close quarters with each other and with humans, and in very unclean conditions – lots of cross contamination, no running water….
Also factor in rivers polluted with both animal and human sewage, where, say for instance wild geese and wild duck swim and feed from that also mingle with nearby farm raised poultry.
A case can also be made for populations increases that cause land development in once remote areas where few humans previous ventured and thus never before having been exposed to some of these viruses that were long contained within the local animal populations.
Viruses are known to jump species. It is thought that bats are a natural reservoir for many viruses including SARS (as are civet cats also a natural host for SARS) and so other animals, pigs, poultry can be exposed to their droppings and if that virus makes a species jump from say from bat to bird or pig to, that virus can also make the jump to infect humans.
Sometimes a virus can only be transmitted from for example a bird to a human either through handling or consuming as food, and so that virus may not be transmittable human to human, at least until the virus makes another jump when it mutates to “see†humans as a good host for infecting others. And this appears to be what has happened in this case.
Here is another explanation that has both a video and a transcript.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/southern-china-hotbed-disease-develop (https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/southern-china-hotbed-disease-develop)
While I find most Hollywood movies that attempt to explain anything medical or scientific laughable at best, the 2011 movie Contagion did a decent job in portraying a catastrophic outbreak of a novel and deadly, easily transmitted virus. The ending shows some the scenarios I talked about above. Plus Gweneth Paltrow as patient Zero. : )
www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1HH1-ozS_A&t=84s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1HH1-ozS_A&t=84s#)
Very helpful, all of this thank you.
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This story seems to be getting bigger in coverage, "VIRUS" is the header at drudge report...
BBC today:
New China virus: Warning against cover-up as number of cases jump
China's top leaders have warned lower-level officials not to cover up the spread of a new coronavirus that has now infected nearly 300 people.
Anyone who concealed new cases would "be nailed on the pillar of shame for eternity", the political body responsible for law and order said.
The warning came as state media said six people had now died from the virus, which causes a type of pneumonia.
More: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51185836 (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51185836)
So, the Chinese government is telling it's own, don't cover this thing up.
Lastly, there is a connection to Wuhan per the other two cases too, so all 3, Japan, South Korea and Thailand seem to have a connection to that city.
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Just in time for the students to come back from China for Spring semester.
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A good reason to avoid traveling outside the good ole U.S.A. I also wouldn't be traveling aboard cruise ships; they are nothing more than a breeding ground for bacteria and viruses. No thanks.
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Warning.
The CNN video shows something that will be upsetting to those of us who love our animal companions.
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@Neverdul .
Thanks for the full explanation.
It just seems like China has more than any other country.
Conditions in other countries in that part of the world are similar to China.
The 1918 flu originated in China.
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I would bet there are more than 1000 cases. Never trust the chink republic to be truthful.
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@Neverdul .
Thanks for the full explanation.
It just seems like China has more than any other country.
Conditions in other countries in that part of the world are similar to China.
The 1918 flu originated in China.
@ bigheadfred
No one knows exactly from where the 1918 influenza pandemic originated but there are many theories.
One was that it started in Haskell County, Kansas and nearby Fort Riley. Some contemporary reports say was that there was a mass burning of garbage including pig and chick carcasses (not just leftover cooked meat but also dead animals) but weather conditions caused the acrid smoke to stay in the air for hours if not days and it was very soon after that many soldiers, over 100 started reporting to the infirmary with 48 young and seemingly healthy men dying that same March. But many also shipped out around that same time to Europe and then back again to the US where soon cities like Boston and Philadelphia, cities with ports and naval yards starting seeing many people die.
But while that is thought to be the 1st wave and the place where the disease was likely first identified as influenza, another theory places it as originating in China and spread via some 96,000 Chinese laborers who were shipped to the west coast of Canada and across to the east coast to be shipped to England and France to relieve soldiers from menial labor behind the trenches.
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/1/140123-spanish-flu-1918-china-origins-pandemic-science-health/ (https://www.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/1/140123-spanish-flu-1918-china-origins-pandemic-science-health/)
As to why so many influenza and other viruses originate from China, it probably has to do a lot with their love of poultry, both domestic and wild and other wild animals, the “wet†markets as they call the live animal markets where even basic sanitation protocols are pretty much non-existent, combined with very densely populated urban areas and much international travel.
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Big story so welcome to the comprehensive thread...
South Korea:
Picture of the Day: Coronavirus Prevention Efforts
GIKorea | January 22, 2020
(https://i2.wp.com/img6.yna.co.kr/photo/yna/YH/2020/01/21/PYH2020012111270032500_P4.jpg?w=640&ssl=1)
Coronavirus disinfection
Quarantine workers spray disinfectant at Incheon International Airport, west of Seoul, on Jan. 21, 2020, to prevent the advance of a new strain of coronavirus now spreading in China and other parts of Asia. ...
https://www.rokdrop.net/2020/01/picture-of-the-day-coronavirus-prevention-efforts/ (https://www.rokdrop.net/2020/01/picture-of-the-day-coronavirus-prevention-efforts/)
North Korea:
BNO News
@BNONews
NEW: North Korea closes border to all foreign tourists to prevent an outbreak of coronavirus
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https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1219636065486753792 (https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1219636065486753792)
It looks very empty. Of course, I have no idea how it might look on a normal day.
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China / Science
Coronavirus weaker than Sars but may share link to bats, Chinese scientists say
Virus found in fruit bats is common ancestor of the two strains, study suggests.
New strain has unusually high ability to bind to a human protein, researchers calculate
Stephen Chen in Beijing
Published: 11:56am, 22 Jan, 2020
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The new strain may be linked to fruit bats, Chinese scientists found. Photo: Shutterstock
The coronavirus
discovered in Wuhan may share the same bat-related ancestor as Sars, according to the latest study by Chinese scientists, which said the strain was weaker than the devastating 2002-03 Sars outbreak
but was still “highly infectiousâ€.
The new virus shares a common ancestor with severe acute respiratory syndrome (Sars), in HKU9-1, a virus found in fruit bats, they found.
The connection with wild animals was confirmed on Wednesday by Gao Fu, director general of China’s Centre for Disease Control and Prevention.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PWA_4ssTuI# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PWA_4ssTuI#)
Read more at: https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3047114/coronavirus-weaker-sars-may-share-link-bats-chinese-scientists (https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3047114/coronavirus-weaker-sars-may-share-link-bats-chinese-scientists)
There's often huge hysteria with viruses, it be HIV, Ebola, SARS and so on.
Fruit bats in this case, a few years ago, there was something with fruit flies.
That SCMP, South China Morning Post, the newspaper of record in Hong Kong I am told has a lot on all of this.
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Wuhan suspends public transit as coronavirus outbreak claims 17th victim
17 people have died from an outbreak of a new coronavirus strain that originated in Wuhan, China, in early January, the New York Times reports. CDC officials said Tuesday there's one case in Washington State.
The latest: Local officials from Wuhan announced that starting 10 a.m. Thursday, all outbound public transportation, flights and trains will be temporarily closed to reduce risk of spreading the virus, state media China Daily reports. Wuhan has a population of 11 million — higher than any city in the U.S.
Why it matters: Health officials confirmed that the pneumonia-like virus can be passed person-to-person, raising the prospect of more cases emerging this week as millions begin traveling across the country for the annual Lunar New Year holiday.
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https://www.axios.com/china-coronavirus-outbreak-six-victims-300-cases-6035c396-8b96-4b27-8111-843e95febb1e.html (https://www.axios.com/china-coronavirus-outbreak-six-victims-300-cases-6035c396-8b96-4b27-8111-843e95febb1e.html)
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(https://www.weaselzippers.us/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/DD-COMPOSITE-CORONAVIRUS-SPREAD-MAP-22-jan-v2-1024x979.jpg)
https://www.weaselzippers.us/442395-deadly-asian-bug-mutating-one-dead-in-america/ (https://www.weaselzippers.us/442395-deadly-asian-bug-mutating-one-dead-in-america/)
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These stories just popped out in minutes,
Brazil https://www.infobae.com/america/america-latina/2020/01/22/brasil-anuncio-la-deteccion-de-un-posible-caso-de-coronavirus-en-minas-gerais/ (https://www.infobae.com/america/america-latina/2020/01/22/brasil-anuncio-la-deteccion-de-un-posible-caso-de-coronavirus-en-minas-gerais/)
Colombia https://maduradas.com/importante-autoridades-investigan-posible-caso-coronavirus-colombia/ (https://maduradas.com/importante-autoridades-investigan-posible-caso-coronavirus-colombia/)
Mexico https://www.infobae.com/america/mexico/2020/01/22/lopez-obrador-admitio-que-hay-un-posible-caso-de-coronavirus-en-tamaulipas/ (https://www.infobae.com/america/mexico/2020/01/22/lopez-obrador-admitio-que-hay-un-posible-caso-de-coronavirus-en-tamaulipas/)
All apparently have suspicions of at least one case of the coronavirus.
Wuhan is shutting down public transportation: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51215348 (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51215348)
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In times past, wouldn't it be appropriate to temporarily shut borders, quarantine potential sources of outbreaks, etc.?
I see that today China has essentially quarantined Wuhan.
At least they still understand how to react to contagion...
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Tom Cotton: China needs to answer for 'malfeasance' in coronavirus outbreak
By Julia Musto | Fox News
There need to be "serious consequences" for China's "malfeasance" in response to the coronavirus outbreak, Sen. Tom Cotton, R-Ark., said Wednesday.
In an interview on the "Brian Kilmeade Show" with host Brian Kilmeade, Cotton said that while there's still a lot unknown about coronavirus, what is known is that "the Chinese communist party has once again been caught red-handed covering up, suppressing, and censoring a serious public health risk."
"Which," he noted, "could be increasingly a global public health risk."
Read more at: https://www.foxnews.com/media/tom-cotton-coronavirus-outbreak-china (https://www.foxnews.com/media/tom-cotton-coronavirus-outbreak-china)
It sounds like this is getting to be a very big deal...
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In times past, wouldn't it be appropriate to temporarily shut borders, quarantine potential sources of outbreaks, etc.?
I see that today China has essentially quarantined Wuhan.
At least they still understand how to react to contagion...
Unfortunately the virus has a ten day incubation period.
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World Health Organization (WHO), Actually, I don't know why the article says they are delaying, if so, only until tomorrow, Thursday:
WHO postpones decision on whether to declare emergency over coronavirus
The World Health Organization says it will decide on Thursday whether to declare a global emergency over the outbreak of a new flu-like virus spreading from China.
If it does, it will be only the sixth international emergency to be declared in the last decade. These include the ongoing Ebola outbreak in Congo and the Zika virus in the Americas in 2016.
"The decision is one I take extremely seriously," WHO director-general Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said, adding that he was only prepared to make it with the appropriate amount of consideration and information "in an evolving and complex situation."
Read more at: https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/coronavirus-china-who-pheic-meeting-1.5436276 (https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/coronavirus-china-who-pheic-meeting-1.5436276)
And the Zika virus, I remember that one as well. The poor children who especially suffered.
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World Health Organization (WHO), Actually, I don't know why the article says they are delaying, if so, only until tomorrow, Thursday:
And the Zika virus, I remember that one as well. The poor children who especially suffered.
Heaven help the people who’s health - lives - are in the hands of these fumbling bureaucrats.
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This is horrible here:
Wuhan virus: Rats and live wolf pups on the menu at China food market linked to virus outbreak
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The Huanan Seafood Market came under greater scrutiny as Chinese officials said that the virus which has so far killed nine people and infected hundreds may have originated in a wild animal sold at the food emporium.PHOTO: EPA-EFE
Published
Jan 22, 2020, 6:13 pm SGT
SHANGHAI (AFP) - The food market where China's deadly virus surfaced was a smorgasbord of exotic wildlife ranging from wolf pups to species linked to previous pandemics such as civets, according to vendor information and a Chinese media report.
The Huanan Seafood Market in the central city of Wuhan came under greater scrutiny on Wednesday (Jan 22) as Chinese officials said that the virus which has so far killed nine people and infected hundreds may have originated in a wild animal sold at the food emporium.
Past deadly epidemics have been blamed on wild animals - severe acute respiratory syndrome (Sars) was linked to Chinese consumption of civet meat - setting the Chinese authorities up for potential embarrassment if lax supervision of wildlife trafficking is found at fault in the latest outbreak.
Read more at: https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/on-the-menu-at-china-virus-market-rats-and-live-wolf-pups?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_campaign=sttw&utm_medium=social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1579689454 (https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/on-the-menu-at-china-virus-market-rats-and-live-wolf-pups?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_campaign=sttw&utm_medium=social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1579689454)
Straits Times as in Singapore Straits I think... anyway, one of the comments already touched on some of what this is about.
One wild animals and millions of pigs get wiped out I guess.
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Nifty live blog by the BBC: https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-asia-51222034 (https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-asia-51222034)
Briton Thomas Crosby has told the BBC he was surprised there wasn't more screening as he travelled from Wuhan to London.
Authorities in Wuhan have since suspended all public transport into and out of the city.
Also, Breaking News Online: https://twitter.com/BNONews (https://twitter.com/BNONews)
2 more cities Huanggang, population 7 million and Chibi, city of under 500,000 next to Huanggang become the 2nd and 3rd cities placed on lockdown. Map and lots of info at the BBC website linked above.
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China locks down two cities to curb virus outbreak
Wuhan (China) (AFP) - China locked down nearly 20 million in two cities at the centre of a deadly virus outbreak on Thursday, banning planes and trains from leaving in an unprecedented move aimed at containing the disease which has already spread to other countries.
The respiratory virus has claimed 17 lives since emerging from a seafood and animal market in Wuhan, infected hundreds of other people nationwide and been detected as far away as the United States.
Streets and shopping centres in Wuhan, a major port city in central Hubei province with a population of 11 million people, were eerily quiet after authorities told residents not to leave town "without a special reason".
https://news.yahoo.com/china-warns-virus-could-mutate-spread-death-toll-030352863.html
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Wuhan quarantine expands as Chinese fear authorities withholding information about coronavirus outbreak
more (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiRwvms4pnnAhXP6Z4KHWygATcQ0PADMAF6BAgHEAo&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtonpost.com%2Fworld%2Fcoronavirus-china-wuhan-latest%2F2020%2F01%2F23%2F2dc947a8-3d45-11ea-afe2-090eb37b60b1_story.html&usg=AOvVaw3IJd7jrtSfSMmdmKkDrMrz)
As the uncertainty continued, Guan, the virologist who identified SARS, offered a chilling perspective on the outbreak.
“I’ve seen it all: bird flu, SARS, influenza A, swine fever and the rest. But the Wuhan pneumonia makes me feel extremely powerless,†he told Caixin. “Most of the past epidemics were controllable, but this time, I’m petrified.â€
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Wuhan quarantine expands as Chinese fear authorities withholding information about coronavirus outbreak
more (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiRwvms4pnnAhXP6Z4KHWygATcQ0PADMAF6BAgHEAo&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtonpost.com%2Fworld%2Fcoronavirus-china-wuhan-latest%2F2020%2F01%2F23%2F2dc947a8-3d45-11ea-afe2-090eb37b60b1_story.html&usg=AOvVaw3IJd7jrtSfSMmdmKkDrMrz)
I read they are cancelling New Years in many cities this weekend. That’s a big deal.
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I read they are cancelling New Years in many cities this weekend. That’s a big deal.
Yeah. Lots of travelers and big crowds. Not to mention the importance, to them, of the event.
I read that this outbreak comes at one of the worst times of the year. But is there really any good time of year for a pandemic?
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IIRC correctly... I read about a year ago that China may be experimenting with viruses.
I'm sure it's just a coincidence. :shrug:
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The world needs a good pandemic every 75 years or so to decrease the surplus population. Since it seems to flourish in population areas with a high concentration of people I see several liberal american cities that could be affected and infected. SAn Francisco, LA, Portlanda. Lots of room for growth of a killer bug.
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IIRC correctly... I read about a year ago that China may be experimenting with viruses.
I'm sure it's just a coincidence. :shrug:
I've made mention of that very thing. But I think they are too much the control freaks to put something out on the open market. They have no way of controlling something like this. And what measures they are taking now is too late.
They built those "ghost" cities that would be perfect for testing viruses, etc. Move a 100,000 people in. Quarantine them and let loose a bug and see what happens.
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I read they are cancelling New Years in many cities this weekend. That’s a big deal.
Yes
Beijing cancels all Chinese New Year celebrations as Wuhan coronavirus spreads
by Jordyn Pair · Jan 23rd, 2020 8:42 am
Officials in Beijing have canceled large-scale Chinese New Year celebrations to help prevent the spread of the Wuhan coronavirus. At least 17 people are dead and more than 600 confirmed infected from the coronoavirus. Both Wuhan, where the outbreak began, and nearby Huanggang have been put under lockdown. ...
link (https://disrn.com/news/beijing-cancels-new-year-celebrations-as-virus-spreads)
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IIRC correctly... I read about a year ago that China may be experimenting with viruses.
I'm sure it's just a coincidence. :shrug:
It's not that. The Chinese will and do eat anything. This is begging for some really exotic, lethal stuff. The government has to start cracking down on this national pastime.
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China Locks Down 3 Cities at Epicenter of Virus Outbreak
By Reuters
January 23, 2020
BEIJING— China put on lockdown on Jan. 23 three cities at the epicenter of a new coronavirus outbreak that has killed 17 people and infected nearly 600, as health authorities around the world scramble to prevent a global pandemic.
Health officials fear the transmission rate will accelerate as hundreds of millions of Chinese travel at home and abroad during week-long holidays for the Lunar New Year, which begins on Saturday.
The previously unknown virus strain is believed to have emerged late last year from illegally traded wildlife at an animal market in the central Chinese city of Wuhan.
Most transport in Wuhan, a city of 11 million people, was suspended on Thursday morning and people were told not to leave. Hours later, state media in neighboring Huanggang and Ezhou are reported to be imposing a similar lockdown.
more
https://www.theepochtimes.com/china-locks-down-two-cities-at-epicenter-of-virus-outbreak_3213547.html (https://www.theepochtimes.com/china-locks-down-two-cities-at-epicenter-of-virus-outbreak_3213547.html)
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Topic merged into the Coronavirus thread.
BTW, they are going to name the virus something, I saw, it already actually has a name, see below:
Novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV),[11][12] also known as Wuhan pneumonia or Wuhan coronavirus.[13] ('Novel' in this case means newly discovered, or newly originated, and is a placeholder name.) [14]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronavirus (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronavirus)
That's a technical matter.
Snakes could be the source of the Wuhan coronavirus outbreak
By Haitao Guo, Guangxiang "George" Luo and Shou-Jiang Gao, The Conversation
(CNN)Snakes -- the Chinese krait and the Chinese cobra -- may be the original source of the newly discovered coronavirus that has triggered an outbreak of a deadly infectious respiratory illness in China this winter.
The many-banded krait (Bungarus multicinctus), also known as the Taiwanese krait or the Chinese krait, is a highly venomous species of elapid snake found in much of central and southern China and Southeast Asia.
The illness was first reported in late December 2019 in Wuhan, a major city in central China, and has been rapidly spreading. Since then, sick travelers from Wuhan have infected people in China and other countries, including the United States.
More at: https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/22/health/snakes-wuhan-coronavirus-outbreak-conversation-partner/ (https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/22/health/snakes-wuhan-coronavirus-outbreak-conversation-partner/)
I knew of a bunch of Buddhists from Mainland and Taiwan some time ago. A lot of those people were vegetarians, I respected that, I respect a meat eater too.
But, I guess, it's part of Chinese culture or medicine to eat all kinds of things....and it seems they are running to trouble over that. It's in the news often, where they import exotic animal parts, say Pangolin scales.
https://qz.com/874854/chinas-insatiable-thirst-for-pangolin-scales-is-fed-by-an-international-black-market/ (https://qz.com/874854/chinas-insatiable-thirst-for-pangolin-scales-is-fed-by-an-international-black-market/)
And just the environment of all of this is why they seem to run into this problem with viruses.
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He died of pneumonia but Wuhan is where this virus has hit hardest? :pondering: The article seems to address the illness towards the end. So, maybe?
Home | News | China
Wuhan Activist Dies of Pneumonia, Contacts Not Offered Isolation, Care
2020-01-22
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Environmental activist Xu Dapeng, who died of pneumonia in Wuhan on Jan. 22, is shown in an undated photo.
Photo: Cixin Tang
Veteran environmentalist Xu Dapeng has died of a respiratory disease with symptoms similar to the Wuhan coronavirus, 10 days after a similar illness took his wife.
Xu, who founded the environmental NGO Friends of Nature, died of pneumonia in Wuhan's Hankou Hospital, the group said in a statement on Wednesday.
Xu's death came just 10 days after that of his wife, also from a respiratory infection, at Wuhan's No. 6 People's Hospital, where he had sat at her bedside in the last days of her life.
Read more at: https://www.rfa.org/english/news/china/dies-01222020141741.html (https://www.rfa.org/english/news/china/dies-01222020141741.html)
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If it has four legs and isn't a table or a chair, the Chinese will eat it.
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Wuhan Flu? WuFlu, I'm being serious... I just saw this on twitter, see video at tweet.:
Disturbing videos:
Arslan Hidayat@arslan_hidayat
The people of #Wuhan are literally dropping like flies all over the city.
Like something out of a horror movie.
https://twitter.com/arslan_hidayat/status/1220408848927903744
#WuFlu #WuhanPneumonia
I count 2 more on that page. Probably authentic.
WHO voted again, went 50/50 so as now, they are not declaring it to be of the utmost urgency.
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Passenger arrives at LAX with possible coronavirus symptoms (https://abc7.com/health/passenger-arrives-at-lax-with-possible-coronavirus-symptoms/5873123/)
LOS ANGELES (KABC) -- A passenger who landed at Los Angeles International Airport Wednesday night was hospitalized for a precautionary medical evaluation amid increased concerns over coronavirus.
ABC News reports it's unclear if the passenger, who arrived on Flight 2436 from Mexico City, has coronavirus or what symptoms were exhibited.
Excerpted, more at link -> https://abc7.com/health/passenger-arrives-at-lax-with-possible-coronavirus-symptoms/5873123/ (https://abc7.com/health/passenger-arrives-at-lax-with-possible-coronavirus-symptoms/5873123/)
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@TomSea is that Camus in your avatar?
I saw a few mote stories tonight. Scary.
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@TomSea is that Camus in your avatar?
I saw a few mote stories tonight. Scary.
Yes, I read a number of 'existential' books years ago. I did find it online to read for free. That book always stuck with me.
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This is interesting too, oh, and EIGHT, 8 Cities, counties and so on are now on lockdown.
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3047453/china-coronavirus-first-fatality-reported-outside-epicentre (https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3047453/china-coronavirus-first-fatality-reported-outside-epicentre)
Where those Uighur internment camps are:
Conditions Put Xinjiang Internment Camps at Risk as Region Confirms First Coronavirus Cases
2020-01-23
Poor sanitation and cramped quarters could lead to an epidemic at internment camps in northwest China’s Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region (XUAR), experts said Thursday, as state media confirmed the region’s first two cases of the new coronavirus traced to Hubei province.
Chinese state media cited local health authorities in the XUAR as saying that a 47-year-old man identified by the surname Li and a 52-year-old man identified as Gu had been confirmed infected by the novel coronavirus (nCoV) as of 6:00 p.m. local time on Thursday. Both had been to Hubei’s capital Wuhan, where the virus is believed to have been first transmitted to humans, they said.
The two were among the latest confirmed cases of the virus, which the official China Central Television (CCTV) said had infected nearly 650 people, including 10 people in the U.S., Thailand, Japan, South Korea, Singapore, and Vietnam. At least 18 people have died in the outbreak, all within China.
Read more at: https://www.rfa.org/english/news/uyghur/viral-01232020164134.html (https://www.rfa.org/english/news/uyghur/viral-01232020164134.html)
That article doesn't really lay out that well on why the camps could be more dangerous but I'm sure it's true.
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Chinese market at center of coronavirus outbreak sold wolves, rats to eat
By Lia EustachewichJanuary 23, 2020 | 2:10pm | Updated
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The Wuhan Huanan Wholesale Seafood Market in Wuhan, China.AP
The Chinese market at the center of the deadly coronavirus outbreak sold live animals — including wolf pups, foxes, rats and peacocks — to eat, according to a new report.
The wild animals were among 112 items that were peddled at the Huanan Seafood Market in the central city of Wuhan, Agence France-Press reported.
Other wildlife sold at the market, which has since been shuttered, included crocodiles, giant salamanders, snakes, porcupines and camel meat.
“Freshly slaughtered, frozen and delivered to your door,†said the price list for the vendor, “Wild Game Animal Husbandry for the Masses.â€
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https://nypost.com/2020/01/23/chinese-market-at-center-of-coronavirus-outbreak-sold-wolves-rats-to-eat/ (https://nypost.com/2020/01/23/chinese-market-at-center-of-coronavirus-outbreak-sold-wolves-rats-to-eat/)
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South China Morning Post has a good explainer:
CHINA CORONAVIRUS
Wuhan virus: a visual explainer
By SCMP Graphics UPDATED JANUARY 23, 2020
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Photo
STREET VENDOR PREPARES A FROG FOR
SALE IN A WUHAN STREET MARKET
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3047085/first-wuhan-coronavirus-confirmed-united-states-reports-say (https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3047085/first-wuhan-coronavirus-confirmed-united-states-reports-say)
Folks seem to think this does a good job on informing. I'm not posting the picture of that street vendor but one can see it at link.
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I could never eat a frog. Not even when I worked in France.
I’ve been told it tastes like chicken but no. Won’t eat.
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I could never eat a frog. Not even when I worked in France.
I’ve been told it tastes like chicken but no. Won’t eat.
It tastes like frog, but the flavor isn't far off chicken. (You only eat the legs, not the rest of it.)
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The Daily Mail publishes this today.
China built a lab to study SARS and Ebola in Wuhan - and US biosafety experts warned in 2017 that a virus could 'escape' the facility that's become key in fighting the outbreak
The Wuhan National Biosafety Laboratory is the only lab in China designated for studying dangerous pathogens like SARS and Ebola
Ahead of its January 2018 opening, biosafety experts and scientists from the US expressed concerns that a virus could escape the lab
In 2004, a SARS virus 'leaked' from a lab in Beijing
Experts say the coronavirus that's infected more than 800 people mutated in animals and became capable of infecting humans at the Wuhan seafood market
But a 2017 article warned of the unpredictability of lab animals that scientists at the Wuhan lab intended to inject with viruses
By Natalie Rahhal Acting Us Health Editor
Published: 17:08 EST, 23 January 2020 | Updated: 21:14 EST, 23 January 2020
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China's highest-grade lab for studying viruses is located in Wuhan, the same city at the center of the current coronavirus outbreak
More at: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-7922379/Chinas-lab-studying-SARS-Ebola-Wuhan-outbreaks-center.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-7922379/Chinas-lab-studying-SARS-Ebola-Wuhan-outbreaks-center.html)
The above is possible, it sounds a bit like what you would see in a movie too.
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Does anyone else think it’s strange that Netflix just dropped a documentary called “pandemic†this week? Yes it’s about influenza but It’s a weird coincidence.
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A second US case of deadly coronavirus has been confirmed, this time in Illinois
The deadly coronavirus has afflicted another person in the United States, health officials confirmed Friday, bringing the total number of U.S. cases to two as Chinese health officials scramble to contain the outbreak.
A Chicago woman returned Jan. 13 from Wuhan, the epicenter of the outbreak, and began experiencing symptoms a few days after arriving home, said the city's health officials.
The 60-year-old woman called her doctor after symptoms arose and she was admitted to a hospital and placed in isolation, health officials said. Further testing confirmed the virus.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/01/24/coronavirus-wuhan-china-lockdown-quarantine-us-cases/4562257002/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/01/24/coronavirus-wuhan-china-lockdown-quarantine-us-cases/4562257002/)
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China may actually be trying to build a new hospital in 10 days? Is that possible even??
(https://www.infobae.com/new-resizer/e0iRx_9UicB7TFXHxUH-0J0I58U=/999x333/filters:quality(100)/arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-infobae.s3.amazonaws.com/public/ZJAFPGOVVFGTPETTSYG5DULSYI.jpg)
Spanish press says that 10 figure, here's more photos from Infobae: (https://www.infobae.com/america/fotos/2020/01/24/las-impresionantes-imagenes-de-la-construccion-del-hospital-para-los-enfermos-de-coronavirus-en-china/)
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Voice of America:
East Asia Pacific
China Building a Hospital to Treat Virus, Expands Lockdowns
By Associated Press
January 24, 2020 07:30 AM
https://www.voanews.com/east-asia-pacific/china-building-hospital-treat-virus-expands-lockdowns (https://www.voanews.com/east-asia-pacific/china-building-hospital-treat-virus-expands-lockdowns)
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China may actually be trying to build a new hospital in 10 days? Is that possible even??
(https://www.infobae.com/new-resizer/e0iRx_9UicB7TFXHxUH-0J0I58U=/999x333/filters:quality(100)/arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-infobae.s3.amazonaws.com/public/ZJAFPGOVVFGTPETTSYG5DULSYI.jpg)
Spanish press says that 10 figure, here's more photos from Infobae: (https://www.infobae.com/america/fotos/2020/01/24/las-impresionantes-imagenes-de-la-construccion-del-hospital-para-los-enfermos-de-coronavirus-en-china/)
(https://arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-infobae.s3.amazonaws.com/public/SJ5R4XS7O5FMDJMAHVAE2VTC4A.jpg)
Voice of America:
Tents can go up pretty fast. :shrug:
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Tents can go up pretty fast. :shrug:
That's what I just heard on the radio - enough temporary buildings to accomodate 1,000 beds.
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Hospitalized Woman in New Jersey Does Not Have Coronavirus
BY ZUSMEE BYAMBA
January 24, 2020 Updated: January 24, 2020Share
The Hackensack University Medical center confirmed that the patient hospitalized in Hackensack, New Jersey does not have a new coronavirus that first broke out in China.
“After an evaluation of the patient and consulting with the State Department of Health, experts have determined the patient does not have the Wuhan Coronavirus. Due to patient privacy, we are unable to provide additional information,†the hospital said in a statement.
According to NorthJersey.com, the patient is a 25-year-old woman who was brought to a hospital in Hackensack by the Edgewater Emergency Medical Services on Thursday night.
Read more at: https://www.theepochtimes.com/hospitalized-woman-in-new-jersey-does-not-have-coronavirus_3214515.html (https://www.theepochtimes.com/hospitalized-woman-in-new-jersey-does-not-have-coronavirus_3214515.html)
More at EpochTimes.com China coverage:
https://www.theepochtimes.com/c-china (https://www.theepochtimes.com/c-china)
One of the stories says one of the top medical authorities in Wuhan is infected. Then, this one says new symptoms, I thought they'd say something about "nerves" which some people are speculating on but this is just typical, diarrhea, chest pains, those kinds of things, fever, typical for the flu in most cases.
PNEUMONIA OUTBREAK
Patients of Novel Coronavirus Show New Symptoms: Report
BY NICOLE HAO
January 24, 2020 Updated: January 24, 2020Share
Patients in the Chinese city of Wuhan have been diagnosed with the new coronavirus after exhibiting non-respiratory-related symptoms—such as diarrhea, chest pains, and headaches— according to Jan. 24 report by Chinese researchers reported by local media.
Thus far, official guidance on the symptoms of the Wuhan virus has been limited to fever and symptoms of respiratory illness, such as coughing, difficulty breathing or shortness of breath.
However, according to local media a report by doctors and experts from Renmin Hospital of Wuhan University on Friday noted the appearance of initial symptoms not related to the respiratory system.
https://www.theepochtimes.com/patients-of-novel-coronavirus-show-new-symptoms-report_3214783.html (https://www.theepochtimes.com/patients-of-novel-coronavirus-show-new-symptoms-report_3214783.html)
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Parents 'abandon' their two children at Chinese airport amid coronavirus outbreak after their son is banned from boarding because he has a fever
The boy was stopped by workers at an airport in Nanjing, China, due to a fever
His parents boarded the flight themselves, leaving him and his sister behind
The children were eventually allowed on the plane after drama caused a delay
Outbreak of a new deadly virus has killed 26 people and infected 830 in China
more
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7924473/Parents-abandon-two-children-Chinese-airport-amid-coronavirus-outbreak.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7924473/Parents-abandon-two-children-Chinese-airport-amid-coronavirus-outbreak.html)
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Tents can go up pretty fast. :shrug:
Trenches for dead bodies can be dug just as fast.
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Agenda-Free TV is on it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ugxkt9bHwk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ugxkt9bHwk)
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Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ugxkt9bHwk#)
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24 hours ago, death toll was about 26, now, 41 a day later. It's looking bad I think.
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UPDATE: Sorry, the map link below now requires a login...server got overloaded with new users I guess.
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Good worldwide map of officially reported "2019-nCoV" cases here:
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6 (https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6)
Take the case count from China with a grain of salt...the CCP is known to underreport cases, they got caught in 2002-2004 vastly underreporting SARS cases.
The map link came from a Crypto (ie. Bitcoin, etc.) YouTuber in Hong Kong I follow: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxODjeUwZHk3p-7TU-IsDOA (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxODjeUwZHk3p-7TU-IsDOA)
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Good worldwide map of officially reported "2019-nCoV" cases here:
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html (https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html)
Take the case count from China with a grain of salt...the CCP is known to underreport cases, they got caught in 2002-2004 vastly underreporting SARS cases.
The map link came from a Crypto (ie. Bitcoin, etc.) YouTuber in Hong Kong I follow: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxODjeUwZHk3p-7TU-IsDOA (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxODjeUwZHk3p-7TU-IsDOA)
Hmmm. Says they are trying to build that new hospital in six days. What is the rush if it isn't that bad? Seems like this scaring them shitless. Thanks for the link.
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The U.S. Scientist Who Predicted Coronavirus Could Kill 65 Million People–Three Months BEFORE the Outbreak in Wuhan, China
Electroverse by Cap Allon January 25, 2020
https://electroverse.net/the-u-s-scientist-who-predicted-coronavirus-could-kill-65-million-people/ (https://electroverse.net/the-u-s-scientist-who-predicted-coronavirus-could-kill-65-million-people/)
U.S. health experts predicted a strain of the coronavirus could kill tens of millions of people in a warning three months BEFORE the deadly outbreak in Wuhan, China.
Scientists at the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security modeled a hypothetical pandemic on a computer as part of research last October — their simulation predicted the deaths of some 65 million people worldwide in just 18 months.
According to latest reports coming out of China, the highly contagious disease has so far killed 41 people and infected around 1,300 others — but experts believe China is hiding the true figures–predicting the true number of those infected to be in the many thousands.
To their credit, China’s response has been swift, shutting down more than 14 cities around Wuhan–the central metropolis where the outbreak is originated:
“We don’t yet know how contagious it is. We know that it is being spread person to person, but we don’t know to what extent.â€
Dr Toner’s computer simulation back in October suggested that after six months, nearly every country in the world would have cases of coronavirus. And within 18 months, 65 million people would have died.
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Send a few to America, have them hospitalized and treated by some college professors with China helpers that steal the info on treatment and bamm, overnight the info makes way back to China without any expense on their behalf.
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The Wuhan National Biosafety Laboratory is the only lab in China designated for studying dangerous pathogens like SARS and Ebola: Coincidence? Had annual safety drill days before outbreak!
The Big Wobble by Gary Walton 1/25/2020
http://www.thebigwobble.org/2020/01/the-wuhan-national-biosafety-laboratory.html (http://www.thebigwobble.org/2020/01/the-wuhan-national-biosafety-laboratory.html)
The Wuhan National Biosafety Laboratory annual management review
• A "conservative guess" is more than 150,000 are yet unaware they are sick as the incubation period is 5-to-10 days.
• The Coronavirus has arrived in Europe with 8 suspected cases in France
• Health experts issued an ominous warning about a coronavirus pandemic 3 months ago. Their simulation showed it could kill 65 million people.
• Almost 50 million people in lockdown
• US biosafety experts warned in 2017 that the "virus" could 'escape' the facility WUHAN
It could be the scenario of a Hollywood Blockbuster but, could the mysterious Coronovirus which has exploded in China and other parts of the world in just 25 days have accidentally leaked from China's only lab in China designated for studying dangerous pathogens like SARS and Ebola. "No chance" I hear you saying but it has happened before, in 2004, a SARS virus 'leaked' from a lab in Beijing. It seems highly coincidental that The Wuhan National Biosafety Laboratory is the only lab in China designated for studying dangerous pathogens and is the city where the mysterious coronavirus began!
According to The Daily Mail, on its January 2018 opening, biosafety experts and scientists from the US expressed concerns that a virus could escape the lab. In 2004, a SARS virus 'leaked' from a lab in Beijing.
More at link.
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uh huh
"Leaked"
More likely someone selling lab animals to a restaurant.
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Canada (note the date):
Chinese researcher escorted from infectious disease lab amid RCMP investigation
Public Health Agency of Canada describes it as a possible 'policy breach,' no risk to Canadian public
Karen Pauls · CBC News · Posted: Jul 14, 2019 3:50 PM CT | Last Updated: July 14, 2019
A researcher with ties to China was recently escorted out of the National Microbiology Lab (NML) in Winnipeg amid an RCMP investigation into what's being described as a possible "policy breach."
Dr. Xiangguo Qiu, her husband Keding Cheng and an unknown number of her students from China were removed from Canada's only level-4 lab on July 5, CBC News has learned.
A Level 4 virology facility is a lab equipped to work with the most serious and deadly human and animal diseases. That makes the Arlington Street lab one of only a handful in North America capable of handling pathogens requiring the highest level of containment, such as Ebola. ...
While there are few details available, experts say this could be a case of intellectual property theft or technology leakage to China.
"The National Microbiology Laboratory would have some pretty sensitive biological research material that ... could be shared either with or without authorization with foreign countries," said Gordon Houlden, director of the University of Alberta's China Institute. ... FULL STORY (https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/chinese-researcher-escorted-from-infectious-disease-lab-amid-rcmp-investigation-1.5211567)
Related or not, it's concerning.
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Coronavirus outbreak: Video shows dead bodies in halls of China hospital
By Lia Eustachewich
January 24, 2020 | 10:48am
Disturbing new video shows dead bodies piling up in the hallways of a hospital in China, as the coronavirus outbreak continues to spiral out of control.
The images from inside Red Cross Hospital in Wuhan, the city at the epicenter of the deadly viral outbreak, show covered bodies lining corridors as staffers and patients walk about with masks on their faces. ... Full story and video (https://nypost.com/2020/01/24/coronavirus-outbreak-video-shows-dead-bodies-in-halls-of-china-hospital/)
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It tastes like frog, but the flavor isn't far off chicken. (You only eat the legs, not the rest of it.)
@Smokin Joe
Remember I am old - born 1933 and when I was old enough to know what was happening around me, maybe 4-5 years old, I knew my father caught frogs and fried the legs. I don't think I ever ate one, but could be wrong about that. He was an Army cook in WWI.
He had a sense of humor and did this at a gathering in our church where people brought food:
He cooked cornbread in cake pans - and put uncooked hard beans in the batter. Put a great looking frosting on the fake cake. We went to that gathering and people got the cake, then began to quietly throw it away, saying nothing, so they wouldn't offend whoever brought the cake. At some point, I exposed father - told someone he did it. Then, everyone had a good time laughing at what father did.
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Coronavirus outbreak: Video shows dead bodies in halls of China hospital
By Lia Eustachewich
January 24, 2020 | 10:48am Disturbing new video shows dead bodies piling up in the hallways of a hospital in China, as the coronavirus outbreak continues to spiral out of control. The images from inside Red Cross Hospital in Wuhan, the city at the epicenter of the deadly viral outbreak, show covered bodies lining corridors as staffers and patients walk about with masks on their faces. ... Full story and video (https://nypost.com/2020/01/24/coronavirus-outbreak-video-shows-dead-bodies-in-halls-of-china-hospital/)
@mountaineer
Heard yesterday hospitals in China are full of sick people and China said they were building a new hospital that would be ready for patients on Feb. 3. Must be a tent or tents hospital. That video on this thread that shows people walking in a city, then dropping to the ground with this illness and medics getting there, is terrible. Also read the Chinese are concerned due to so many medical personnel becoming infected when treating patients with this disease.
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@Smokin Joe
Remember I am old - born 1933 and when I was old enough to know what was happening around me, maybe 4-5 years old, I knew my father caught frogs and fried the legs. I don't think I ever ate one, but could be wrong about that. He was an Army cook in WWI.
He had a sense of humor and did this at a gathering in our church where people brought food:
He cooked cornbread in cake pans - and put uncooked hard beans in the batter. Put a great looking frosting on the fake cake. We went to that gathering and people got the cake, then began to quietly throw it away, saying nothing, so they wouldn't offend whoever brought the cake. At some point, I exposed father - told someone he did it. Then, everyone had a good time laughing at what father did.
Terror In The Second Grade
We had a school lunch one day (I was in the Second grade) where they had green beans and chopped hot dogs baked into cornbread. It didn't taste bad. It just didn't look right. And ya'll probably know how some kids can't stand to have one food item touching another on their plate.
Anyway, Mrs. Lofthouse was the cafeteria monitor that day so there was no hiding the main course in your milk carton. She insisted everyone should eat everything on their tray. I ate well and was allowed to depart. There was quite a bit of wailing going on. The best thing to do was to eat your lunch and three other kids lunches so you could leave and have someone to play with outside.
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U.S. Working to Evacuate American Citizens From Epidemic-Stricken Chinese City
WSJ By James T. Areddy and Liza Lin 1/25/2020
https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-plans-to-evacuate-citizens-from-epidemic-stricken-chinese-city-11579951256 (https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-plans-to-evacuate-citizens-from-epidemic-stricken-chinese-city-11579951256)
The U.S. government is working to evacuate American citizens by air from the epidemic-stricken Chinese city of Wuhan as soon as possible, according to people familiar with the effort.
The operation comes as the death toll from a newly identified coronavirus that originated in Wuhan climbs above 40 and the number of confirmed infections tops 1,300, with many of the cases in and around the central Chinese city of 11 million people.
The fast spread of the disease in recent days across China and around the world, including two cases in the U.S., has raised fears of a deadly contagion.
Roughly 1,000 American citizens are thought to be in Wuhan, and the U.S. consulate there is reaching out to those it knows about to offer a seat on the plane, these people familiar with the matter said.
The plane seats around 230 people, and will include diplomats from the U.S. consulate as well as Americans and their families. Those evacuated will be responsible for the cost.
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The Wuhan coronavirus has hit Xinjiang, where China has imprisoned at least 1 million Uighur Muslims. Its filthy detention camps will make inmates sitting ducks.
Bill Bostock
Jan 24, 2020, 5:06 AM
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The development is significant. If the virus spreads in Xinjiang it could leave the estimated 1 million Uighur Muslims detained in prison camps across the region highly vulnerable to infection. Uighurs call the region East Turkestan.
The camps are filthy, have poor infrastructure, and are packed to busting with prisoners, according to testimony of former inmates. This makes them an ideal breeding ground for disease and infection.
There are at least 465 such camps spread across the region, according to research by the East Turkistan National Awakening Movement activist group last year. (Turkistan is an alternate spelling.)
Plastic buckets for toilets, and rooms so small people have to take turns sleeping
Read more at: https://www.businessinsider.com/wuhan-coronavirus-xinjiang-uighur-squalid-detention-camps-2020-1 (https://www.businessinsider.com/wuhan-coronavirus-xinjiang-uighur-squalid-detention-camps-2020-1)
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Coronavirus outbreak: Video shows dead bodies in halls of China hospital
By Lia Eustachewich
January 24, 2020 | 10:48am
Disturbing new video shows dead bodies piling up in the hallways of a hospital in China, as the coronavirus outbreak continues to spiral out of control.
The images from inside Red Cross Hospital in Wuhan, the city at the epicenter of the deadly viral outbreak, show covered bodies lining corridors as staffers and patients walk about with masks on their faces. ... Full story and video (https://nypost.com/2020/01/24/coronavirus-outbreak-video-shows-dead-bodies-in-halls-of-china-hospital/)
This sounds like what they did to bodies during the plague in the Middle Ages.
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Coronavirus medic claims China is lying as ‘100,000 people are infected’
The sobbing woman – believed to work at the quarantined Wuhan hospital in China – says she has seen Coronavirus victims dying in front of her eyes
The deadly coronavirus is far worse than the Chinese government has said with 100,000 people infected, a woman believed to be a medic at the centre of the outbreak as claimed.
Since the virus broke out in the city of Wuhan, 41 people have been killed with the number of confirmed cases in China nearly reaching 1,300.
The disease has now been detected in Australia, Nepal, Malaysia, Vietnam, Singapore, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Thailand, France and the United States.
Read more at: https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/world-news/coronavirus-medic-claims-china-lying-21358174 (https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/world-news/coronavirus-medic-claims-china-lying-21358174)
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The fact that it is now proven to be transmitted from human to human is concerning -- I've read that there is potential for an epidemic -- cases are being reported now in the U.S. They say this cornavirus isn't as threatening as SARS or MERS -- but I think it is too early to tell -- and I see the potential for a pandemic.
How to prepare?
The Next Pandemic Will Come. Here’s How to Prepare
.....The biggest lesson, which China seems to have learned, is that the government must be ruthlessly honest and transparent. The more facts, the better. Hide nothing. It was my trust in that Hong Kong website that eventually made me believe SARS was waning. Once trust between the population and the state breaks down, controlling an outbreak becomes almost impossible.
Another lesson is, thankfully, one we’ve already learned. Screening and surveillance, which should usually be used with caution in free societies, becomes necessary in an outbreak and is effective. Even now various airports around the world are digitally observing the body temperatures of passengers arriving from Wuhan, the center of the new outbreak.
Quarantine should be voluntary at first and actively encouraged by employers and government. Whoever can work from home, via Skype and such, should do so, without fearing recrimination. The more people can keep acting on their own volition, the more “agency†they believe they have, the calmer and more cooperative they will remain. Once an outbreak goes out of control, of course, quarantines must become mandatory.
But the most profound lesson is that we must cooperate as a species, with a geopolitical approach that seems to have gone out of fashion: multilateralism. We’ve always been locked in an arms race between the evolution of viruses, bacteria and fungi and our medicines against them. When a new virus appears, it potentially threatens all of us and should be fought by all of us together.
That means a new bug’s genome, wherever it’s first collected, should be sequenced and immediately made available, like open-source computer code, to certified researchers everywhere. (You still need the World Health Organization or some such body to accredit the boffins, lest the genome gets into the hands of terrorists). All labs and scientists should then share their insights with the entire profession........
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-01-21/coronavirus-how-we-should-prepare-for-the-next-pandemic (https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-01-21/coronavirus-how-we-should-prepare-for-the-next-pandemic)
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@Smokin Joe
Remember I am old - born 1933 and when I was old enough to know what was happening around me, maybe 4-5 years old, I knew my father caught frogs and fried the legs. I don't think I ever ate one, but could be wrong about that. He was an Army cook in WWI.
He had a sense of humor and did this at a gathering in our church where people brought food:
He cooked cornbread in cake pans - and put uncooked hard beans in the batter. Put a great looking frosting on the fake cake. We went to that gathering and people got the cake, then began to quietly throw it away, saying nothing, so they wouldn't offend whoever brought the cake. At some point, I exposed father - told someone he did it. Then, everyone had a good time laughing at what father did.
I think I would have really like your Dad.
He was a character, and folks like that are getting few and far between in these days of cultural homogenization.
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Somehow it doesn't make sense to fill a plane with people from Wuhan -- even though they are Americans -- and fly them here.
Instead, take them somewhere "in American territory" (Guam, Midway, etc.), and shelter them for a couple of weeks, to ensure that no one has the virus but is asymptomatic. This includes the plane crew. If they "pass" there, then fly them home.
Aside:
Would YOU want to be a crew member on that plane?
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The coronavirus is more contagious than first thought. 63 cases are suspected in the U.S., 2 confirmed. Human to human contact is prevalent in China. IMHO -- the CDC and WHO is downplaying this.
https://video.foxnews.com/v/6126491177001#sp=show-clips
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Case of coronavirus confirmed in Orange County; officials call risk of transmission ‘low’
The OC Health Care Agency said it received confirmation from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on Saturday evening that an Orange County case has tested positive for the coronavirus that appears to have spread from China.
The patient, a “traveler from Wuhan, China, has been in contact with the HCA and was provided guidance in order to reduce exposure to the public while awaiting laboratory confirmation from the CDC. The individual has now been transported to a local hospital and is in isolation in good condition,†the HCA said in a statement.
The Orange County agency said it, in consultation with the CDC and the state Department of Public Health, is following up with all people who have had close contact with the patient.
https://www.ocregister.com/2020/01/25/case-of-coronavirus-confirmed-in-orange-county/ (https://www.ocregister.com/2020/01/25/case-of-coronavirus-confirmed-in-orange-county/)
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If we can use all of God's creatures, okay, fine, to feed us but Chinese culture for centuries, seems to have gone into the wrong direction. It seems they eat some animals in an exotic manner and Chinese medicine, potions, are something else.
China bans wildlife trade nationwide due to coronavirus outbreak
BEIJING (Reuters) - China banned wildlife trade nationwide in markets, supermarkets, restaurants, and e-commerce platforms due to the coronavirus outbreak, the country’s market watchdog, agricultural ministry, and forestry bureau said in a joint statement.
Any places that breed wildlife should be isolated, and the transportation of wildlife should be banned, said the statement.
The ban will take effect from Sunday.
Read more at: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-wildlife/china-bans-wildlife-trade-nationwide-due-to-coronavirus-outbreak-idUSKBN1ZP07Y (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-wildlife/china-bans-wildlife-trade-nationwide-due-to-coronavirus-outbreak-idUSKBN1ZP07Y)
Hong Kong / Health & Environment
Wuhan coronavirus: Hong Kong police, protesters clash as anger erupts over proposal to use housing block as quarantine site
Protesters respond to quarantine proposal by blocking roads, setting fire to newly constructed block with petrol bombs
Government pledges to quell concerns at upcoming district council meeting
https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/health-environment/article/3047719/wuhan-coronavirus-hong-kong-police-protesters (https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/health-environment/article/3047719/wuhan-coronavirus-hong-kong-police-protesters)
I thought, there could be a slight impact even in protests as in HK with a contagious flu virus. Probably slight but still there.
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Gertz: Wuhan Virus Linked To China Bio Weapons
https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/gertz-wuhanvirus/2020/01/25/id/951283/ (https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/gertz-wuhanvirus/2020/01/25/id/951283/)
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Case of coronavirus confirmed in Orange County; officials call risk of transmission ‘low’
The OC Health Care Agency said it received confirmation from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on Saturday evening that an Orange County case has tested positive for the coronavirus that appears to have spread from China.
The patient, a “traveler from Wuhan, China, has been in contact with the HCA and was provided guidance in order to reduce exposure to the public while awaiting laboratory confirmation from the CDC. The individual has now been transported to a local hospital and is in isolation in good condition,†the HCA said in a statement.
The Orange County agency said it, in consultation with the CDC and the state Department of Public Health, is following up with all people who have had close contact with the patient.
https://www.ocregister.com/2020/01/25/case-of-coronavirus-confirmed-in-orange-county/ (https://www.ocregister.com/2020/01/25/case-of-coronavirus-confirmed-in-orange-county/)
How can they possibly assess the risk of transmission? The incubation period for this virus is at least 10 days, Wuhan has been closed for awhile now, meaning this person has likely been running around in CA for at least a week.
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How can they possibly assess the risk of transmission? The incubation period for this virus is at least 10 days, Wuhan has been closed for awhile now, meaning this person has likely been running around in CA for at least a week.
I read that it was 14 days (two weeks). So yeah, it's going to be really hard to contain considering how many people have likely been exposed by now.
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Gertz: Wuhan Virus Linked To China Bio Weapons
https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/gertz-wuhanvirus/2020/01/25/id/951283/ (https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/gertz-wuhanvirus/2020/01/25/id/951283/)
My husband and I were just discussing the coronavirus this morning and he said something doesn't add up and wondered if it was something manufactured in a lab --it seems so.
IMHO this is likely more transmittable then the CDC and WHO is willing to acknowledge -- this is why China is shutting down such large areas. Also -- I read that there were reports of medical supplies running low. How can that be if only around 1,300 people have been infected? For a country with a population of over a billion people and 1,300 cases are going to cause their supplies to run low? Not buying it.
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How can they possibly assess the risk of transmission? The incubation period for this virus is at least 10 days, Wuhan has been closed for awhile now, meaning this person has likely been running around in CA for at least a week.
I read now that the virus is transmittable before people even start having symptoms.
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I read now that the virus is transmittable before people even start having symptoms.
Yes, thats why I can't see how they can determine how much damage each new case might have done before being diagnosed.
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Yes, thats why I can't see how they can determine how much damage each new case might have done before being diagnosed.
They're just attempting to put a "best case" spin on it.
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My husband and I were just discussing the coronavirus this morning and he said something doesn't add up and wondered if it was something manufactured in a lab --it seems so.
IMHO this is likely more transmittable then the CDC and WHO is willing to acknowledge -- this is why China is shutting down such large areas. Also -- I read that there were reports of medical supplies running low. How can that be if only around 1,300 people have been infected? For a country with a population of over a billion people and 1,300 cases are going to cause their supplies to run low? Not buying it.
China is very probably lying about the number of deaths. It isn't likely they'd quarantine 50 million people for 50 deaths - especially in China. The flu kills far more.
You can't trust anything coming out of China.
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China is very probably lying about the number of deaths. It isn't likely they'd quarantine 50 million people for 50 deaths - especially in China. The flu kills far more.
You can't trust anything coming out of China.
Add to that... the fact that China couldn't care less about loss of human life.... they have way too many people already... they probably wouldn't mind losing a hundred million or two (they have 1300 million population) of their own people if they could create a similar problem in their enemy nations. I think we probably should consider this an act of war. A subtle, passive aggressive one, but still war.
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They are pretty much sold out of face masks on Amazon. And the ones they have are wayyyyy expensive.
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@cncommittee
#Wuhan #coronavirus At the press conference just now, the mayor of Wuhan said that more than 5 million people left Wuhan and the remaining 9 million stayed in Wuhan.
9:02 AM · Jan 26, 2020·Twitter for iPhone
29 Retweets 26 Likes
https://twitter.com/cncommittee/status/1221448391546138625
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ä¸åŽäººæ°‘共和国驻推特舆情监控委员会
@cncommittee
#Wuhan #coronavirus At the press conference just now, the mayor of Wuhan said that more than 5 million people left Wuhan and the remaining 9 million stayed in Wuhan.
9:02 AM · Jan 26, 2020·Twitter for iPhone
29 Retweets 26 Likes
https://twitter.com/cncommittee/status/1221448391546138625
I've seen this movie. It doesn't end well.
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Quick burials and lack of tests raise fears coronavirus outbreak is much bigger than China admits
The corpse of Chen Min was wrapped in a yellow body bag with tape when it was delivered to the funeral home by workers in hazmat suits. The staff disinfected the van they travelled in and disposed of protective gear.
Despite being pressured into a quick cremation by authorities, the grieving family did not know if the 65-year-old had died from the novel coronavirus sweeping China. And they still don't.
Official figures estimate that 41 people have died so far and 1,300 have been infected. But experts at Imperial College reckon as many as 9,700 could have come down the disease.
The swift disposal of Ms Chen's body raises further questions about the scale of the problem.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/01/25/quick-burials-lack-tests-raise-fears-cornavirus-outbreak-much/ (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/01/25/quick-burials-lack-tests-raise-fears-cornavirus-outbreak-much/)
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I've seen this movie. It doesn't end well.
No, especially not on a virus that incubates 10 days to 2 weeks, is contagious before it's symptomatic, and started in a city with a level 4 viral research lab.
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No, especially not on a virus that incubates 10 days to 2 weeks, is contagious before it's symptomatic, and started in a city with a level 4 viral research lab.
And with the possibility that hundreds of potentially infected Chinese are on their way or arriving in the USA... as we speak.
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4th US Case of Coronavirus Confirmed in LA
This is the fourth confirmed case in the United States.
By Sydney Kalich • Published 1 hour ago • Updated 1 min ago
The Los Angeles County Department of Public Health has confirmed the first case of novel coronavirus in Los Angeles County, the department said Sunday.
The person infected with the virus is a returning traveler from Wuhan City, China and is receiving care at a local hospital, officials confirm.
This is the fourth confirmed case in the United States.
A case of novel coronavirus was confirmed Saturday in Orange County.
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/national-international/los-angeles-countys-first-case-of-deadly-novel-coronavirus-confirmed/2267776/ (https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/national-international/los-angeles-countys-first-case-of-deadly-novel-coronavirus-confirmed/2267776/)
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A large number of the population has to be infected in order for so many people to have arrived in other countries in such short order. Wuhan is a large city of millions of people. The people who traveled to other countries from there has to be a tiny percentage - yet that tiny percentage was infected.
The Chinese are lying big time.
The real question is how deadly is this virus??? Was it natural or man made???
And if it is particularly deadly China may be at the crossroads of a great upheaval.
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A large number of the population has to be infected in order for so many people to have arrived in other countries in such short order. Wuhan is a large city of millions of people. The people who traveled to other countries from there has to be a tiny percentage - yet that tiny percentage was infected.
The Chinese are lying big time.
The real question is how deadly is this virus??? Was it natural or man made???
And if it is particularly deadly China may be at the crossroads of a great upheaval.
With the west finally beginning to push back against their unfair trade practices and now this I agree there may be a perfect storm brewing for the Chicoms. Chinese social media may provide some validation of that - there's alot of anger there.
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Who knew so many Americans traveled to Wuhan?
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Virus-hit Wuhan has two laboratories linked to Chinese bio-warfare program
The deadly animal virus epidemic spreading globally may have originated in a Wuhan laboratory linked to China’s covert biological weapons program, according to an Israeli biological warfare expert.
Radio Free Asia this week rebroadcast a local Wuhan television report from 2015 showing China’s most advanced virus research laboratory known the Wuhan Institute of Virology, Radio Free Asia reported.
The laboratory is the only declared site in China capable of working with deadly viruses.
Dany Shoham, a former Israeli military intelligence officer who has studied Chinese bio warfare, said the institute is linked to Beijing’s covert biological weapons program.
https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/jan/24/virus-hit-wuhan-has-two-laboratories-linked-chines/
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BTW I've got a custom Twitter feed off the search term (#WuhanCoronavirus OR #Wuhan OR #coronavirus OR #CoronavirusOutbreak OR #VirusWuhan OR #ChinaCoronaVirus OR #CoronaOutbreak OR #WuhanPneumonia). Catch alot of current news and updates from that.
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No, especially not on a virus that incubates 10 days to 2 weeks, is contagious before it's symptomatic, and started in a city with a level 4 viral research lab.
Now would be a really, really good time to CLOSE OUR BORDERS. Perfect excuse to keep everybody the heck out of here.
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A large number of the population has to be infected in order for so many people to have arrived in other countries in such short order. Wuhan is a large city of millions of people. The people who traveled to other countries from there has to be a tiny percentage - yet that tiny percentage was infected.
The Chinese are lying big time.
The real question is how deadly is this virus??? Was it natural or man made???
And if it is particularly deadly China may be at the crossroads of a great upheaval.
Several reports are coming in that this virus originated from a bio war lab.
Yes they are lying, but so is the CDC who is saying -- not to worry - take precautions just like you would for the flu. B.S. I still think we are going to see a pandemic.
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A large number of the population has to be infected in order for so many people to have arrived in other countries in such short order. Wuhan is a large city of millions of people. The people who traveled to other countries from there has to be a tiny percentage - yet that tiny percentage was infected.
The Chinese are lying big time.
The real question is how deadly is this virus??? Was it natural or man made???
And if it is particularly deadly China may be at the crossroads of a great upheaval.
Alot of people got out of Wuhan before it was locked down...an estimated 5 to 9 million people. That's why China has 50 million locked down on quarantine now.
The Chinese govt has called it a grave situation, but no specifics. So yes they are being a little withdrawn on info and the truth.
And there is at least one level 4 biolab in Wuhan that deals in the nasty stuff, and they were warned about a breach potential two years ago.
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China coronavirus 'spreads before symptoms show'
Fifty-six people have died from the virus. Health minister Ma Xiaowei told reporters the ability of the virus to spread appeared to be strengthening.
Several Chinese cities have imposed significant travel restrictions.
Wuhan in Hubei, the source of the outbreak, is in effective lockdown.
The infections were at a "crucial stage of containment", Ma Xiaowei said.
Officials announced that the sale of all wildlife in China would be banned from Sunday. The virus is thought to have originated in animals, but no cause has been officially identified.
In humans, the incubation period - during which a person has the disease, but no symptoms yet - ranges from between one and 14 days, officials believe.
Without symptoms, a person may not know they have the infection, but still be able to spread it.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51254523 (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51254523)
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Chinese Doctor Concerned That Wuhan Pneumonia Outbreak Will Get Worse
A doctor in Wuhan City who has been treating patients with Wuhan pneumonia disclosed some alarming information about the new virus, and expressed concern that the disease will be out of control in the next several months due to the authorities’ slow response and lack of transparency.
The doctor, surnamed Xu, spoke to U.S.-based Chinese media Secret China on the condition of anonymity on Jan. 24.
He disclosed that by Dec. 31, 27 patients were confirmed to have been infected by the coronavirus, but Wuhan’s public health officials decided not to inform the public of the new disease. Moreover, some features of the novel coronavirus make it more dangerous than SARS (Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome).
https://www.theepochtimes.com/chinese-doctor-concerned-that-wuhan-pneumonia-outbreak-will-get-worse_3215018.html (https://www.theepochtimes.com/chinese-doctor-concerned-that-wuhan-pneumonia-outbreak-will-get-worse_3215018.html)
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CGTN
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#CoronavirusOutbreak in China:
- 2,761 confirmed cases, including 17 in Hong Kong, Macao and Taiwan
- 80 deaths
- 51 cured
- 5,794 suspected cases
What alot of people don't understand, is that they think unless this is some kind of a killer virus like ebola with a high mortality rate then oh well it's not a big deal.
I've read unconfirmed reports that the kill rate for the virus is 15%, but for grins and giggles let's call it a nice round 10%.
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I live in a county with 36K people...
If half are infected, that's 18K people...
If half of those get seriously sick, that's 9K people. Enough there to overwhelm the hospitals and probably about shut everything down...
If 10% of the infected die, that's 1800 people. We see an average of 25 deaths a week in this county. We don't have near the facilities here to deal with the bodies...
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Bottom line is infection rates will be way higher in places like NYC v. rural Montana. The averages will be way skewed.
The ripple effects will be way beyond the death toll. Shortages, lost production, overwhelmed facilities, disruptiion of services, and who knows what kind of SHTF in the cities.
That why I take this particular outbreak seriously, because it seems highly contagious and slow to manifest, and the various world govts don't seem very quick on the stick in containing it.
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What alot of people don't understand, is that they think unless this is some kind of a killer virus like ebola with a high mortality rate then oh well it's not a big deal.
I've read unconfirmed reports that the kill rate for the virus is 15%, but for grins and giggles let's call it a nice round 10%.
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I live in a county with 36K people...
If half are infected, that's 18K people...
If half of those get seriously sick, that's 9K people. Enough there to overwhelm the hospitals and probably about shut everything down...
If 10% of the infected die, that's 1800 people. We see an average of 25 deaths a week in this county. We don't have near the facilities here to deal with the bodies...
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Bottom line is infection rates will be way higher in places like NYC v. rural Montana. The averages will be way skewed.
The ripple effects will be way beyond the death toll. Shortages, lost production, overwhelmed facilities, disruptiion of services, and who knows what kind of SHTF in the cities.
That why I take this particular outbreak seriously, because it seems highly contagious and slow to manifest, and the various world govts don't seem very quick on the stick in containing it.
I agree with your assessment. If anyone wants to understand the potential, look up the 1918 Flu Epidemic.
Local hospitals have very few beds in isolation, and chances are the infection would have spread considerably if it gets into a community by the time it is recognized.
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CGTN
@CGTNOfficial
#CoronavirusOutbreak in China:
- 2,761 confirmed cases, including 17 in Hong Kong, Macao and Taiwan
- 80 deaths
- 51 cured
- 5,794 suspected cases
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6:05 PM · Jan 26, 2020·Twitter Web App
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#CoronavirusOutbreak cases outside China:
- Thailand: 7
- Japan: 3
- South Korea: 3
- U.S.: 3
- Vietnam: 2
- Singapore: 4
- Malaysia: 3
- Nepal: 1
- France: 3
- Australia: 4
About 3 hrs old.
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Coronavirus Death Toll Rises to 80 as China Enters 'Crucial Stage', US Prepares Evacuation
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Beijing: A new viral illness being watched with a wary eye around the globe accelerated its spread in China with 80 deaths so far, while the U.S. Consulate in the city at the epicenter announced it will evacuate its personnel and some other Americans aboard a charter flight.
China's health minister said the country was entering a “crucial stage" as “it seems like the ability of the virus to spread is getting stronger."
Ma Xiaowei declined to estimate how long it would take to bring the situation under control, but said travel restrictions and other strict measures should bring results “at the lowest cost and fastest speed.â€
President Xi Jinping has called the outbreak a grave situation and said the government was stepping up efforts to restrict travel and public gatherings while rushing medical staff and supplies to the city at the center of the crisis, Wuhan, which remains on lockdown with no flights, trains or buses in or out.
https://www.news18.com/news/world/coronavirus-death-toll-rises-to-80-as-china-enters-crucial-stage-us-prepares-evacuation-2474357.html (https://www.news18.com/news/world/coronavirus-death-toll-rises-to-80-as-china-enters-crucial-stage-us-prepares-evacuation-2474357.html)
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Good rundown of the latest.
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Source for this looks to be PBS. Infection/death projections based on the current rates.
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ASU in Tempe AZ has a case. There are a total of 5 cases in the US as of right now.
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ASU in Tempe AZ has a case. There are a total of 5 cases in the US as of right now.
Problem is, someone infected, even asymptomatic, goes through an airport and it could go almost anywhere. Multiple nodes in no time.
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Ezra Cheung
@ezracheungtoto
#BREAKING: First Chinese official died due to #WuhanPneumonia, says Chinese financial news outlet Caixin @caixin
. Director of the Wuhan Ethnic Affairs Commission, Wang Xianliang, died on January 26 afternoon. All rescue measures were proven ineffectual.
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China has closed schools until 2/16/2020. Everything is shut down. Caused the Nikkei to drop 1.75%. No volume.
Hope the #EmbassyAttack, #coronavirus, #BoltonBook, #Impeachment don't rock our #markets too much tomorrow.
Confluence of events could expose debt heavy companies.
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China already down 5%
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Problem is, someone infected, even asymptomatic, goes through an airport and it could go almost anywhere. Multiple nodes in no time.
The person had recently flown in from China. What a mess.
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Wuhan seafood market may not be source of novel virus spreading globally
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As confirmed cases of a novel virus surge around the world with worrisome speed, all eyes have so far focused on a seafood market in Wuhan, China, as the origin of the outbreak. But a description of the first clinical cases published in The Lancet on Friday challenges that hypothesis.
The paper, written by a large group of Chinese researchers from several institutions, offers details about the first 41 hospitalized patients who had confirmed infections with what has been dubbed 2019-novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV). The earliest case became ill on 1 December and had no reported link to the seafood market, the authors report. “No epidemiological link was found between the first patient and later cases,†they state. Their data also show that in total, 13 of the 41 cases had no link to the marketplace either. “That’s a big number, 13, with no link,†says Daniel Lucey, an infectious disease specialist at the University of Georgetown
Earlier reports from Chinese health authorities and the World Health Organization said the first patient had onset of symptoms on 8 December—and those reports simply said “most†cases had links to the seafood market, which was closed on 1 January.
Lucey says if the new data are accurate, the first human infections must have occurred in November—if not earlier—because there is an incubation time between infection and symptoms surfacing. If so, the virus possibly spread silently between people in Wuhan and perhaps elsewhere before the cluster of cases from the city’s now infamous Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market was discovered in late December. “The virus came into that marketplace before it came out of that marketplace,†Lucey asserts.
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/01/wuhan-seafood-market-may-not-be-source-novel-virus-spreading-globally (https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/01/wuhan-seafood-market-may-not-be-source-novel-virus-spreading-globally)
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Here's a decent map of the outbreak that updates as new info comes in:
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
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And a more scientific treatment of the outbreak so far:
Clinical features of patients infected with 2019 novel coronavirus in Wuhan, China
Background
A recent cluster of pneumonia cases in Wuhan, China, was caused by a novel betacoronavirus, the 2019 novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV). We report the epidemiological, clinical, laboratory, and radiological characteristics and treatment and clinical outcomes of these patients.
Methods
All patients with suspected 2019-nCoV were admitted to a designated hospital in Wuhan. We prospectively collected and analysed data on patients with laboratory-confirmed 2019-nCoV infection by real-time RT-PCR and next-generation sequencing. Data were obtained with standardised data collection forms shared by the International Severe Acute Respiratory and Emerging Infection Consortium from electronic medical records. Researchers also directly communicated with patients or their families to ascertain epidemiological and symptom data. Outcomes were also compared between patients who had been admitted to the intensive care unit (ICU) and those who had not.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30183-5/fulltext#.Xi55u_0keC5.twitter (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30183-5/fulltext#.Xi55u_0keC5.twitter)
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Global Health & Emergencies Advocate Peter Salama Dies At Age 51
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WHO’s head of Universal Health Coverage, Dr. Peter Salama, has died suddenly at the age of 51.
The Australian-born medical epidemiologist was known as an eloquent global health advocate, who dedicated his career to combatting the world’s most difficult and dangerous diseases and strengthening fragile health systems in states weakened by war and civil unrest.
After joining WHO in 2016 as executive director of Health Emergencies, Salama oversaw the winding down of a massive Ebola epidemic in West Africa, only to be confronted two years later in 2018 with the re-emergence of the deadly virus in the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC).
But he was well-prepared. During the 2013-2016 outbreak, Salama had overseen UNICEF’s response as Regional Director for the Middle East and North Africa. Over three years, that epidemic killed over 11,000 people, leaving behind ravaged economies and societies in Sierra Leone, Liberia and Guinea.
https://www.healthpolicy-watch.org/global-health-emergencies-advocate-peter-salama-dies-at-age-51/ (https://www.healthpolicy-watch.org/global-health-emergencies-advocate-peter-salama-dies-at-age-51/)
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Rachel Cheung
@rachel_cheung1
Gabriel Leung, dean of HKU's medical school on #CoronavirusOutbreak: basic reproductive number - secondary cases generated by an index infected case - is 2.13. According to best estimate, case count doubles every six days, in the absence of any public health intervention.
1:18 AM · Jan 27, 2020·Twitter Web App
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ASU in Tempe AZ has a case. There are a total of 5 cases in the US as of right now.
Thank you for the update @DB
I wonder how these folks got it and/or have in common
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And a more scientific treatment of the outbreak so far:
Clinical features of patients infected with 2019 novel coronavirus in Wuhan, China
Background
A recent cluster of pneumonia cases in Wuhan, China, was caused by a novel betacoronavirus, the 2019 novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV). We report the epidemiological, clinical, laboratory, and radiological characteristics and treatment and clinical outcomes of these patients.
Methods
All patients with suspected 2019-nCoV were admitted to a designated hospital in Wuhan. We prospectively collected and analysed data on patients with laboratory-confirmed 2019-nCoV infection by real-time RT-PCR and next-generation sequencing. Data were obtained with standardised data collection forms shared by the International Severe Acute Respiratory and Emerging Infection Consortium from electronic medical records. Researchers also directly communicated with patients or their families to ascertain epidemiological and symptom data. Outcomes were also compared between patients who had been admitted to the intensive care unit (ICU) and those who had not.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30183-5/fulltext#.Xi55u_0keC5.twitter (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30183-5/fulltext#.Xi55u_0keC5.twitter)
From that article: The most common symptoms at onset of illness were fever (40 [98%] of 41 patients), cough (31 [76%]), and myalgia or fatigue (18 [44%]); less common symptoms were sputum production (11 [28%] of 39), headache (three [8%] of 38), haemoptysis (coughing up blood) (two [5%] of 39), and diarrhoea (one [3%] of 38; table 1). More than half of patients (22 [55%] of 40) developed dyspnoea (labored breathing).
The median duration from illness onset to dyspnoea was 8·0 days (IQR 5·0–13·0). The median time from onset of symp-toms to first hospital admission was 7·0 days (4·0–8·0), to shortness of breath was 8·0 days (5·0–13·0), to ARDS was 9·0 days (8·0–14·0), to mechanical ventilation was 10·5 days (7·0–14·0), and to ICU admission was 10·5 days (8·0–17·0; figure 2).
The blood counts of patients on admission showed leucopenia (reduced white blood cell count)(white blood cell count less than 4×10â¹/L; ten [25%] of 40 patients) and lymphopenia (reduced lymphocytes, one of three types of white blood cells) (lymphocyte count <1·0×10â¹/L; 26 [63%] patients; table 2).
Comments in italics are mine, to translate medicalese a little.
Link to the Lancet Article
Clinical features of patients infected with 2019 novel coronavirus in Wuhan, ChinaChaolin Huang*, Yeming Wang*, Xingwang Li*, Lili Ren*, Jianping Zhao*, Yi Hu*, Li Zhang, Guohui Fan, Jiuyang Xu, Xiaoying Gu, Zhenshun Cheng, Ting Yu, Jiaan Xia, Yuan Wei, Wenjuan Wu, Xuelei Xie, Wen Yin, Hui Li, Min Liu, Yan Xiao, Hong Gao, Li Guo, Jungang Xie, Guangfa Wang, Rongmeng Jiang, Zhancheng Gao, Qi Jin, Jianwei Wang†, Bin Caoâ€
for those who want to read or download the article and dig deeper: https://www.thelancet.com/action/showPdf?pii=S0140-6736%2820%2930183-5 (https://www.thelancet.com/action/showPdf?pii=S0140-6736%2820%2930183-5)
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EYA @EYAnews
Why would Wuhan #bioweapon need more hospital space #coronoavirus unless the numbers are significantly more than reported?
China's 1,000-bed coronavirus hospital takes shape after four days; Chinese authorities have ordered four construction companies to toil through the Chinese New Year holiday to complete the six-acre medical centre in Wuhan's Caidian District in a week. Daily Mail (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7933719/Incredible-footage-shows-Chinas-1-000-bed-coronavirus-hospital-taking-shape-four-days.html)
10:30 AM · Jan 27, 2020
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Everyone knows the number is higher. The question is "What is happening to the patients? Are any treatments working against it?".
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Supposedly, the Chinese are working on a vaccine (unconfirmed story).
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EYA @EYAnews
Why would Wuhan #bioweapon need more hospital space #coronoavirus unless the numbers are significantly more than reported?
China's 1,000-bed coronavirus hospital takes shape after four days; Chinese authorities have ordered four construction companies to toil through the Chinese New Year holiday to complete the six-acre medical centre in Wuhan's Caidian District in a week. Daily Mail (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7933719/Incredible-footage-shows-Chinas-1-000-bed-coronavirus-hospital-taking-shape-four-days.html)
10:30 AM · Jan 27, 2020
They are also claiming to be running out of medical supplies. Also reported; 35,000,000 have been quarantined and 12 cities have been shutdown.
https://qz.com/1790891/china-expands-quarantine-to-12-cities-and-35-million-residents/ (https://qz.com/1790891/china-expands-quarantine-to-12-cities-and-35-million-residents/)
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Supposedly, the Chinese are working on a vaccine (unconfirmed story).
This is a bio-lab virus -- perhaps population control?
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This is a bio-lab virus -- perhaps population control?
The globalists have gone public that they want world govt within 10 years. That and they are megalomaniacal sociopaths.
Nothing would surprise me.
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From what I can gather today, it's like the thing has frozen in it's tracks after the infected/deceased stats have been nearly doubling every day.
Gotta call BS on that.
Too many reports of infected people, some already symptomatic flying on planes back to their resident countries. If this thing is as contagious as reported, a close quarters air cabin on a long int'l flight is a perfect way to spread it.
Guess it's wait and see now.
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U.S. State Department warns against visiting China, citing coronavirus
WASHINGTON, Jan 27 (Reuters) - The U.S. State Department on Monday warned against visiting China and said Americans should not travel to the Hubei province, given that the province's city of Wuhan is ground zero for a new deadly coronavirus.
The State Department has already ordered the departure of all non-emergency U.S. personnel and family members from the province and the "U.S. government has limited ability to provide emergency services" to its citizens there.
It said travelers should be prepared for the Chinese government to put travel restrictions in place "with little or no advance notice." (Reporting by Lisa Lambert and Makini Brice Editing by Chris Reese)
http://news.trust.org/item/20200127192459-dowhs/ (http://news.trust.org/item/20200127192459-dowhs/)
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China coronavirus: Hong Kong medical experts call for ‘draconian’ measures in city as research estimates there are already 44,000 cases in Wuhan
* HKU’s faculty of medicine dean Gabriel Leung says research shows self-sustaining human-to-human transmission is already happening in all major mainland cities
* He called for measures to limit people’s movement, school closures, work-from-home arrangements and cancellation of mass gatherings
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Hong Kong infectious disease experts are urging the government to take “draconian†measures against the spread of the deadly new coronavirus
from the mainland Chinese city of Wuhan, citing research estimating that 44,000 patients could be infected there – far higher than official figures.
University of Hong Kong academics on Monday estimated that the number of patients in Wuhan had reached 43,590 by Saturday, including those in the incubation stage of the virus, which causes pneumonia.
Mainland authorities have put the number of confirmed cases across the country at about 2,800 as of Monday, with the death toll at 82.
Hong Kong has eight confirmed cases of infection.
https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/health-environment/article/3047813/china-coronavirus-hong-kong-medical-experts-call (https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/health-environment/article/3047813/china-coronavirus-hong-kong-medical-experts-call)
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Dow posts worst day since October and turns negative for the year as coronavirus fears grow
Stocks tanked on Monday after more cases of the coronavirus were confirmed over the weekend, ratcheting up worries over the virus’ impact on the world economy.
The Dow Jones Industrial Average fell 453.93 points, or 1.6% to 28,535.80, wiping out the average’s gains for the year. The 30-stock average also notched its biggest one-day fall since October along with its longest losing streak since August. The S&P 500 dropped 1.6% to 3,243.63, snapping a 74-session streak without a 1% decline. The Nasdaq Composite had its worst day since August, dropping 1.9% to 9,139.31.
There are 2,862 confirmed cases so far in China and the death toll in China has risen to 81. The World Health Organization’s director general is traveling to China to meet with government and health officials. In the U.S., a fifth case of coronavirus was confirmed over the weekend.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/27/dow-futures-as-coronavirus-cases-rise.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/27/dow-futures-as-coronavirus-cases-rise.html)
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Three countries have now closed its borders to China....I am hoping that the U.S. does the same. They should NOT allow anyone into the U.S. from China.
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So is the Wuhan level 4 bio-lab going to mysteriously burn down to the ground or explode suddenly?
If there's any evidence it came from there there's going to be hell to pay.
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So is the Wuhan level 4 bio-lab going to mysteriously burn down to the ground or explode suddenly?
If there's any evidence it came from there there's going to be hell to pay.
Hell to pay by whom? Who is going to hold China responsible? What ramifications will they suffer? Right now, it's sinking their own economy -- however they are an economic superpower and this is affecting global markets -- DOW was down today.
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Hell to pay by whom? Who is going to hold China responsible? What ramifications will they suffer? Right now, it's sinking their own economy -- however they are an economic superpower and this is affecting global markets -- DOW was down today.
What do you think the Chinese people will do if they find out their own government did this to them while lying about it all this time?
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What do you think the Chinese people will do if they find out their own government did this to them while lying about it all this time?
....I don't know ... perhaps many are too you to remember the Tiananmen Square Massacre. I'd say that the Chinese government will lie and deny or say that this was a lab "accident" that wasn't reported and someone would be the fall guy.
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....I don't know ... perhaps many are too you to remember the Tiananmen Square Massacre. I'd say that the Chinese government will lie and deny or say that this was a lab "accident" that wasn't reported and someone would be the fall guy.
Chernobyl took out the Russian government and they were very good at lying. This could be China's Chernobyl in the making.
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What do you think the Chinese people will do if they find out their own government did this to them while lying about it all this time?
Nothing. They will do nothing. Die, if that's requested.
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Dow posts worst day since October and turns negative for the year as coronavirus fears grow
Stocks tanked on Monday after more cases of the coronavirus were confirmed over the weekend, ratcheting up worries over the virus’ impact on the world economy.
The Dow Jones Industrial Average fell 453.93 points, or 1.6% to 28,535.80, wiping out the average’s gains for the year. The 30-stock average also notched its biggest one-day fall since October along with its longest losing streak since August. The S&P 500 dropped 1.6% to 3,243.63, snapping a 74-session streak without a 1% decline. The Nasdaq Composite had its worst day since August, dropping 1.9% to 9,139.31.
There are 2,862 confirmed cases so far in China and the death toll in China has risen to 81. The World Health Organization’s director general is traveling to China to meet with government and health officials. In the U.S., a fifth case of coronavirus was confirmed over the weekend.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/27/dow-futures-as-coronavirus-cases-rise.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/27/dow-futures-as-coronavirus-cases-rise.html)
Oil down too or under $60 a barrel at this point.
This is some uncertainty alright. It seems the markets are saying this will be bad.
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The Epoch Times, founded years ago by the Falun Gong, now, is quite a respected conservative news website and because the Falun Gong (sometimes called Falun Dafa as well) is persecuted there so badly, they don't hold any punches back in portraying China. All of these are shocking headlines from their China page....this crisis so far, certainly is showing that China imho, is the real threat out there, more than Russia. And that's what the experts say.
China Underreporting True Scale of Deadly Viral Outbreak, Expert Says
By Eva Fu January 27, 2020
The Chinese regime is likely underreporting the true scale of the coronavirus outbreak, according to a Harvard epidemiologist.
Fears of a rampant epidemic are mounting after the infectious disease hit most parts of China and have spread to over a dozen countries globally.
Official figures record the pneumonia-like virus infecting thousands and killing scores, although experts say the total number of infections is vastly greater than that reported by the communist regime.
Read more at: https://www.theepochtimes.com/china-underreporting-true-scale-of-deadly-viral-outbreak-expert-says_3218207.html (https://www.theepochtimes.com/china-underreporting-true-scale-of-deadly-viral-outbreak-expert-says_3218207.html)
Chinese Authorities Manipulate Tally of Confirmed Coronavirus Cases by Controlling the Supply of Diagnosis Kits
By Olivia Li, Epoch Times
January 27, 2020 Updated: January 27, 2020
The outbreak of Wuhan coronavirus is far bigger than the official figures released by Chinese public health authorities who cover up the severity by limiting the number of diagnosis kits to Wuhan hospitals, according to an insider and an independent journalist.
The insider and the independent journalist both say that diagnosis kits are only provided to certain “qualifying hospitals†and in very limited quantities. Medical personnel at these hospitals have said that the number of kits they are supplied is less than 10 percent of what they need to test patients.
Now these hospitals claim that their responsibility at present is to provide treatment only, and they will not perform any diagnoses. Patients who are seeking a diagnosis are unable to get one and find themselves in a desperate situation.
Read more at: https://www.theepochtimes.com/chinese-authorities-manipulate-tally-of-confirmed-coronavirus-cases-by-controlling-the-supply-of-diagnosis-kits_3217914.html (https://www.theepochtimes.com/chinese-authorities-manipulate-tally-of-confirmed-coronavirus-cases-by-controlling-the-supply-of-diagnosis-kits_3217914.html)
China Restricts Medical Supply Donations, Despite Dire Need During Viral Outbreak
By Nicole Hao
January 27, 2020 Updated: January 27, 2020
Beijing has banned private charities and volunteers from entering Hubei Province, the epicenter of the coronavirus outbreak, or sending materials to hospitals directly.
It’s unclear why authorities made the decision.
Meanwhile, Chinese netizens complained on social media that officially sanctioned charity organizations were complicated and slow in their processing, delaying shipments to hospitals in Hubei.
More at: https://www.theepochtimes.com/chinese-authorities-manipulate-tally-of-confirmed-coronavirus-cases-by-controlling-the-supply-of-diagnosis-kits_3217914.html (https://www.theepochtimes.com/chinese-authorities-manipulate-tally-of-confirmed-coronavirus-cases-by-controlling-the-supply-of-diagnosis-kits_3217914.html)
This last one, good point if true, why keep charities out of a place!!!
Lastly, yes, 3 countries that I'm aware of have closed the border to China, that being North Korea, Mongolia and ??? I don't know the third one. Russia has a border with China, maybe they are doing it.
The Epoch Times China page: https://www.theepochtimes.com/c-china (https://www.theepochtimes.com/c-china)
I'm not really aware of any other source like this, that details the wrongs China does and it's mainly about human rights and things like that.
If you run into a pay wall at Epoch Times, I click the "read" or "Page" icon in the URL box on firefox. Epoch Times has an article limit usually but all 3 of these came up okay.
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Trump better get on top of this.
You know the Rats will not let this crisis go to waste.
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Dr. Dena Grayson
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BREAKING: #China says that #coronavirus infections increased from 2,887 to 4,515 *an increase of 56% in a single day*. Deaths increased 29% to 106.
This is just the beginning. Expect these numbers to continue to rise...quickly.
@thespybrief #2019_nCov
https://theguardian.com/science/live/2020/jan/28/coronavirus-first-death-in-beijing-as-us-issues-new-china-travel-warning-live-updates
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Dr. Eric Feigl-Ding
@DrEricDing
9. BOTTOMLINE: 1) Seafood market not the source. 2) This RNA #coronavirus mutates really fast. 3) has unusual middle segment never seen before in any coronavirus. 4) Not from recent mixing. 5) That mystery middle segment encodes protein responsible for entry into host cells.
10:15 PM · Jan 27, 2020·Twitter for iPhone
481Retweets 810 Likes
https://mobile.twitter.com/drericding/status/1222010300859371522
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Dr. Eric Feigl-Ding
@DrEricDing
9. BOTTOMLINE: 1) Seafood market not the source. 2) This RNA #coronavirus mutates really fast. 3) has unusual middle segment never seen before in any coronavirus. 4) Not from recent mixing. 5) That mystery middle segment encodes protein responsible for entry into host cells.
10:15 PM · Jan 27, 2020·Twitter for iPhone
481Retweets 810 Likes
https://mobile.twitter.com/drericding/status/1222010300859371522
So in other words, engineered.
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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-testing-insight-idUSKBN1ZQ21K (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-testing-insight-idUSKBN1ZQ21K)
This is way worse than China is acknowledging.
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So in other words, engineered.
Reading all 10 of his posts, sure looks that way. He's not some fringe crackpot either.
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Apparently designed to spread. If that is the case, the limiting factor is access to populations and victims.
Does anyone have any idea as to mortality rates?
Even 1-2% could take out millions if it spreads far enough.
(I'm not saying that to panic anyone, just to inform that, like any novel pathogen, this could be a serious outbreak and has an apparently excellent ability to spread.)
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'GRAPHIC VIDEOS' are still coming from #Wuhan as the #CoronaVirus is still spreading.
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#Wuhan BSL-4 Research Laboratory was using a bat-derived SARS-like #coronavirus to test it's disinfectant procedures in 2018. Genetic sequencing of 2019 Novel CoV suggests the current virus is extremely similar. Proximity of the Research Lab to outbreak origin deeply troubling.
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Thank you everyone for the updates.
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Apparently designed to spread. If that is the case, the limiting factor is access to populations and victims.
Does anyone have any idea as to mortality rates?
Even 1-2% could take out millions if it spreads far enough.
(I'm not saying that to panic anyone, just to inform that, like any novel pathogen, this could be a serious outbreak and has an apparently excellent ability to spread.)
Coronavirus vs. SARS: Health experts on the key differences between the two outbreaks
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/28/coronavirus-vs-sars-health-experts-on-the-key-differences.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/28/coronavirus-vs-sars-health-experts-on-the-key-differences.html)
...The continued spread of the coronavirus is “more infectious†but less severe than the SARS epidemic, health experts have told CNBC.
The direct comparison comes as market participants try to understand the potential economic impact of the latest outbreak.
Everything indicates that the mortality rate of coronavirus is lower when compared to the outbreak of SARS in 2003, Peter Piot, professor of global health and director at London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, told CNBC’s “Squawk Box Europe†on Tuesday.
But, if 1 million people become infected by the coronavirus — “which is not impossible†— a 1% or 2% mortality rate would translate as 10,000 or 20,000 deaths, Piot said.
Chinese health authorities confirmed Tuesday that the coronavirus outbreak had infected 4,515 people, with 106 reported deaths. It means the virus has killed just over 2% of those that have been infected....
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These are the 20 U.S. airports screening for the coronavirus. Here's what it entails
Los Angeles International
San Francisco International
Chicago O'Hare
New York JFK
Atlanta Hartsfield-Jackson International
Houston George Bush Intercontinental
Dallas-Fort Worth International
San Diego International
Seattle-Tacoma International
Honolulu International
Anchorage Ted Stevens International
Minneapolis-St. Paul International
Detroit Metropolitan
Miami International
Washington Dulles International
Philadelphia International
Newark Liberty International
Boston Logan International
El Paso International
Puerto Rico's San Juan Airport
https://www.usatoday.com/travel/ (https://www.usatoday.com/travel/)
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I have no ideas about this website, it does not look real credible, you know, more of one of those off the wall websites "Great Game India", journal on geopolitics and international relations, it doesn't look terrible either. I have never seen it before, so I wanted to get that out of the way:
Coronavirus Bioweapon – How China Stole Coronavirus From Canada And Weaponized It
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January 26, 2020 | Last modified on January 28th, 2020 at 6:02 pm,
Last year a mysterious shipment was caught smuggling Coronavirus from Canada. It was traced to Chinese agents working at a Canadian lab. Subsequent investigation by GreatGameIndia linked the agents to Chinese Biological Warfare Program from where the virus is suspected to have leaked causing the Wuhan Coronavirus outbreak.
Read more at: https://greatgameindia.com/coronavirus-bioweapon/ (https://greatgameindia.com/coronavirus-bioweapon/)
Okay, I'm just going to quote this, this is interesting.... who wrote this up? It does look like all of this is from India. It might take a bit of study. Slightly complex.
And per the other thread, last summer, a Chinese researcher was escorted out of an infectious disease laboratory in Canada.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/chinese-researcher-escorted-from-infectious-disease-lab-amid-rcmp-investigation-1.5211567 (https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/chinese-researcher-escorted-from-infectious-disease-lab-amid-rcmp-investigation-1.5211567)
New thread in National News, Harvard Prof of chemical biological department arrested, he was the head there apparently.
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,390005.new.html#new (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,390005.new.html#new)
https://www.foxnews.com/us/harvard-university-professor-arrested (https://www.foxnews.com/us/harvard-university-professor-arrested)
Let's not forget, the Chinese have messed with cloning, that guy was arrested but obviously, we need a full alert on what is going on.
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Starbucks has closed more than half of its Chinese stores because of coronavirus
New York (CNN Business)Starbucks has closed more than half of its roughly 4,300 Chinese stores, as the deadly coronavirus continues to spread in the country.
The company said Tuesday it is continuing to "monitor and modify the operating hours of all of our stores in the market," in light of the outbreak."This is expected to be temporary," Starbucks added.
Over the weekend, the company said that it was closing shops and suspending delivery services in the city of Wuhan, the epicenter of the outbreak, and the wider Hubei Province.
John Culver, the company's international president, said that the "situation accelerated" over the past few weeks, adding that Starbucks is evaluating closures "each and every day." Stores that are open still offer delivery, he said.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/28/business/starbucks-earnings-china-closures/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/28/business/starbucks-earnings-china-closures/index.html)
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Coronavirus outbreak: Chartered jet flies Americans from China to US, report says
How can they possibly screen these people when they can be contagious and not show any symptoms for days? This may be an epidemic just waiting to happen in the U.S.
Latest map of outbreak @ link below -- the difference between yesterday and today is significant!
https://www.foxnews.com/health/coronavirus-outbreak-chartered-jet-americans-china-to-us (https://www.foxnews.com/health/coronavirus-outbreak-chartered-jet-americans-china-to-us)
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Coronavirus outbreak: Chartered jet flies Americans from China to US, report says
How can they possibly screen these people when they can be contagious and not show any symptoms for days? This may be an epidemic just waiting to happen in the U.S.
Latest map of outbreak @ link below -- the difference between yesterday and today is significant!
https://www.foxnews.com/health/coronavirus-outbreak-chartered-jet-americans-china-to-us (https://www.foxnews.com/health/coronavirus-outbreak-chartered-jet-americans-china-to-us)
That's a good question and leads into this article I just found:
Australia to help some citizens leave China, quarantine them on Christmas Island
MELBOURNE (Reuters) - Australia will help some citizens leave Hubei province in China, the epicentre of the coronavirus outbreak, and quarantine them on Christmas Island, Prime Minister Scott Morrison said on Wednesday following a briefing by the Chinese government.
“We have taken a decision this morning to prepare a plan for an operation to provide some assisted departures for isolated and vulnerable Australians in Wuhan and the Hubei province,†Morrison told reporters in Canberra.
Morrison did not say how many of the 600 Australians registered in the Hubei region the government would be able to help, adding Australia would also be working to help New Zealand and Pacific island citizens in Hubei.
Continued at: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-australia-citizens-idUSKBN1ZS04N (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-australia-citizens-idUSKBN1ZS04N)
I asked the same question. It doesn't sound like they have the plan down pat yet but are working on it.
Christmas island is in the South Pacific.
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the coronavirus crisis
Starbucks closes 2,000 stores in China over coronavirus outbreak
In response to the Wuhan coronavirus outbreak, Starbucks has closed more than 2,000 stores in China.
The flu-like virus originated in the Chinese city of Wuhan, and there are more than 4,500 confirmed cases; at least 130 people have died. Starbucks is the world's largest coffee chain, and China is the company's biggest growth market, making up 10 percent of its global revenue, Reuters reports. There are 4,292 Starbucks locations in China, and the stores that are staying open have revised operating hours.
https://theweek.com/speedreads/892305/israeli-government-vote-annexing-part-west-bank
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Plane carrying US evacuees from China amid coronavirus outbreak diverted to California air base
A plane carrying about 210 U.S. citizens evacuated from Wuhan, China—the epicenter of the deadly coronavirus—has landed in the U.S. after it was diverted Tuesday to California’s March Air Reserve Base "for the logistics that they have," an official said.
The Boeing 747 with red and gold stripes and no passenger windows was initially headed to Ontario International Airport in California. It landed in Alaska at Ted Stevens Anchorage International Airport on Tuesday night -- before it refuels and makes its way to the base.
https://www.foxnews.com/health/plane-with-u-s-evacuees-from-china-diverted-from-california-to-air-force-base-curt-hagman-says (https://www.foxnews.com/health/plane-with-u-s-evacuees-from-china-diverted-from-california-to-air-force-base-curt-hagman-says)
(Video embedded in article)
Curt Hagman, the chairman of the San Bernandino County Board of Supervisors and a commissioner at the airport, said on social media that the CDC had informed him of its decision to divert the flight.
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British Airways suspends all flights to China amid coronavirus fears
British Airways ceased all of its direct flights to and from mainland China amid the coronavirus outbreak -- with the decision coming after the United Kingdom advised against "all but essential" travel to the rest of the country on Tuesday.
When logging into BA.com, the official website for the airline, it currently shows no direct flights to the country -- with a posted notice, "Sorry, there are no direct flights for this route, flights with connections are below."
“We apologize to customers for the inconvenience, but the safety of our customers and crew is always our priority,†BA said in an emailed statement to Reuters on Wednesday. “Customers due to travel to or from China in the coming days can find more information on BA.com.â€
https://www.foxnews.com/travel/british-airways-suspends-all-flights-to-china-amid-coronavirus (https://www.foxnews.com/travel/british-airways-suspends-all-flights-to-china-amid-coronavirus)
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First Cases of Coronavirus Reported in Middle East, UAE Confirms
The United Arab Emirates on Wednesday confirmed the first cases in the Mideast of the new Chinese virus that causes flu-like symptoms, saying doctors now were treating a family that had just come from a city at the epicenter of the outbreak.
The UAE’s state-run WAM news agency made the announcement citing the Health and Prevention Ministry, but offered no details on where the stricken family lived nor where they were receiving treatment.
It also did not offer a number of those afflicted by the virus, other than to say the cases came from "members of a family arriving from the Chinese city of Wuhan."
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/national-international/first-cases-of-coronavirus-reported-in-middle-east-uae-confirms/2270951/ (https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/national-international/first-cases-of-coronavirus-reported-in-middle-east-uae-confirms/2270951/)
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This is interesting, I watched the video. The man has a boxes of masks, runs into the store, puts it on the counter and runs out.
Should he not have some gloves on?
Video at tweet and in this article link: https://twitter.com/AlArabiya_Eng/status/1222459402512424961
Man gives 500 face masks for coronavirus to police, runs away: Video
A Chinese man ran into a police station, left 500 face masks to help combat the coronavirus, and then ran away, showed unverified video circulating on social media on Wednesday.
The video, shared by users on Twitter and published by several media outlets, reportedly shows a man at a police station in Anhui Province, which borders Hubei province to the west. The capital of Hubei, Wuhan, is the site of the deadly outbreak of coronavirus, also known by many as corona.
Footage shows a man running into a police station and leaving what appear to be masks on the country. Two policemen are then seen chasing the man, apparently to thank him for his gesture. The two policemen then salute into the distance.
Continued at: https://english.alarabiya.net/en/variety/2020/01/29/Man-gives-500-face-masks-for-coronavirus-to-police-runs-away-Video.html
:pondering: It's gone viral.
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The state dept. chartered 747 "Wuhan Coronavirus Express" (cargo plane with pallet seats installed) is airborne (pun intended)...now headed for SoCal. eeefly
Tracking: https://fr24.com/CKS371/23afe247 (https://fr24.com/CKS371/23afe247)
Next stop March Air Reserve Base.
Sat. map of March ARB: https://goo.gl/maps/jhj4zFTC4kMLjupc9 (https://goo.gl/maps/jhj4zFTC4kMLjupc9)
March Website: https://www.march.afrc.af.mil (https://www.march.afrc.af.mil)
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This virus is spreading very rapidly --more than 100 suspected cases across 27 states! Why would the bring in 100's of Americans from China back to the states?
Rep. Roger Marshall: Coronavirus has reached the heartland
Five cases of the 2019 Novel Coronavirus(2019-nCoV) have been confirmed in four states here at home. All are linked to recent travel from the endemic area of China. A sixth possible case – in my home state of Kansas – heightens serious concerns about the impact of this international outbreak of a potentially deadly virus, now in the middle of America.
There are more than 100 other individuals across 27 states currently being monitored by the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) to determine whether they have been infected with the coronavirus. U.S. health officials remain on high alert and are adapting to the minute-by-minute updates from around the world. There are an additional 86 confirmed cases of coronavirus in 17 countries outside of China.
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/coronavirus-has-reached-the-heartland-rep-roger-marshall (https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/coronavirus-has-reached-the-heartland-rep-roger-marshall)
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On January 20, there were 291 cases of this virus in China. As of today there are 5,970 cases in China.
My question; how do they determine the coronavirus from the flu virus?
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-51235105 (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-51235105)
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On January 20, there were 291 cases of this virus in China. As of today there are 5,970 cases in China.
My question; how do they determine the coronavirus from the flu virus?
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-51235105 (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-51235105)
Apparently a lab test. A lab test that is in very short supply. So there can't be more official cases than there are lab tests to confirm the virus. In other words, it is seriously under reported because a great number of people are unable to get a lab test to make it "official" and are seriously ill while not being counted.
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Apparently a lab test. A lab test that is in very short supply. So there can't be more official cases than there are lab tests to confirm the virus. In other words, it is seriously under reported because a great number of people are unable to get a lab test to make it "official" and are seriously ill while not being counted.
I'm wondering how sensitive that test is as a person can have the virus without symptoms -- so how would they even know to test until after symptoms have appeared. Considering that 100's of Americans for that area of China have just been flown into CA -- I'm hoping that they will be quarantined for a period of time?
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I'm wondering how sensitive that test is as a person can have the virus without symptoms -- so how would they even know to test until after symptoms have appeared. Considering that 100's of Americans for that area of China have just been flown into CA -- I'm hoping that they will be quarantined for a period of time?
Yes, they are being kept at an Air Force Reserve facility.
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My question; how do they determine the coronavirus from the flu virus?
Diagnosis
Your healthcare provider may order laboratory tests on respiratory specimens and serum (part of your blood) to detect human coronaviruses. Laboratory testing is more likely to be used if you have severe disease or are suspected of having MERS.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/about/symptoms.html (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/about/symptoms.html)
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Things are starting to get serious --
WHO to reconsider declaring global emergency as China virus evacuations begin
BEIJING/GENEVA (Reuters) - Foreign governments flew their citizens out of the epicentre of China's coronavirus outbreak on Wednesday, as the number of deaths jumped to 133 and the World Health Organization voiced "grave concern" about person-to-person spread in three other countries.
The WHO said its Emergency Committee would reconvene behind closed doors on Thursday to decide whether the rapid spread of the new virus from China now constitutes a global emergency.
"In the last few days the progress of the virus especially in some countries, especially human-to-human transmission, worries us," WHO chief Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus told a news conference in Geneva, naming Germany, Vietnam and Japan.
"Although the numbers outside China are still relatively small, they hold the potential for a much larger outbreak."
There have been 6,065 cases of the flu-like virus in 15 countries worldwide - all but around 70 in China - according to the latest WHO figures. All the deaths so far have been in China, where the National Health Commission said there had been 132 fatalities as of end-Tuesday. Another death was reported in Sichuan province on Wednesday.........
https://www.yahoo.com/news/chinas-hubei-province-center-virus-224943565.html (https://www.yahoo.com/news/chinas-hubei-province-center-virus-224943565.html)
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Coronavirus threatens to fuel ‘perfect storm of discontent’ in Hong Kong
American Military News by David Pierson January 29, 2020
https://americanmilitarynews.com/2020/01/coronavirus-threatens-to-fuel-perfect-storm-of-discontent-in-hong-kong/ (https://americanmilitarynews.com/2020/01/coronavirus-threatens-to-fuel-perfect-storm-of-discontent-in-hong-kong/)
Hong Kong’s economy, limping from the protests and U.S.-China trade war, now faces the specter of an even greater decline in tourism and retail sales.
The Hong Kong government, battered by public opinion over its handling of the protests, is receiving widespread criticism for responding too slowly to the disease and deflecting pressure to fully close its border with China.
At a time when millions of Hong Kongers are resisting the mainland, the coronavirus and China’s response to it is providing one more reason to demand greater autonomy from Beijing.
“The coronavirus epidemic sits in the very center of the vortex of anger at an incompetent Hong Kong government, distrust of Beijing, and anti-mainlander xenophobia — all issues that have driven the past seven months of protests in Hong Kong — and, as such, risks becoming a ‘perfect storm’ of discontent,†said Antony Dapiran, a Hong Kong-based lawyer and author of “City of Protest: A Recent History of Dissent in Hong Kong.â€
Hong Kong has eight confirmed cases of the virus, which originated from Wuhan, a Chinese city of 11 million in the central province of Hubei, and has spread to 13 countries beyond China.
More at link.
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On one chart of China, the numbers are jumping by about 90% every two days. I trust the Chinese as far as I can pick the nation up and throw them. Whatever they are reporting you can bet the numbers are many times greater than reported.
Israel reported the only bio lab at present in China is in Wusan, and 2 + 2 = massive mistake or sabotage/or who knows what? I heard somewhere that internal Internet chatter in China is implying the USA unleashed a bio weapon on China. Uggh! I think the time has come to begin reversing what Nixon started. The USA has paid handsomely for China's rise, and why continue with the stupidity? Trump has it right, choke down on China.
Until they adhere to intellectual property rights, frankly, I think we should have a five year plan to end trade as we know it with China.
Back to the virus, it is here, and I see it being hard to contain with the unlimited travel into the USA.
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Coronavirus threatens to fuel ‘perfect storm of discontent’ in Hong Kong
American Military News by David Pierson January 29, 2020
https://americanmilitarynews.com/2020/01/coronavirus-threatens-to-fuel-perfect-storm-of-discontent-in-hong-kong/ (https://americanmilitarynews.com/2020/01/coronavirus-threatens-to-fuel-perfect-storm-of-discontent-in-hong-kong/)
I am not finding a report in English, there was a report that Taiwanese were having trouble leaving China.
I'm surprised they would even be there.
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Love it, the dog chewed up the owner's passport.
Dog 'blocked' owner from traveling to Wuhan during early days of coronavirus outbreak
Katie Mather
Yahoo NowJanuary 29, 2020, 9:14 PM UTC
A woman from Taiwan managed to avoid a planned trip to Wuhan, China — the source of the current coronavirus outbreak — thanks to her Golden Retriever, Kimi.
The virus was first reported to the World Health Organization (WHO) on Dec. 31, 2019, and was being monitored throughout early January, but no alarms had been raised before Kimi's owner went to book flights on Jan. 13 to visit Wuhan.
When Kimi's owner came home, she saw that Kimi had chewed and destroyed her passport, and was furious. She posted the photos to her Facebook, showing how not a single page in the passport remained intact.
https://www.yahoo.com/amphtml/now/dog-blocked-owner-from-traveling-to-wuhan-during-early-days-of-coronavirus-outbreak-211414899.html (https://www.yahoo.com/amphtml/now/dog-blocked-owner-from-traveling-to-wuhan-during-early-days-of-coronavirus-outbreak-211414899.html)
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A very good doggy indeed. :chien:
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The number of novel coronavirus cases is changing quickly. A real-time tracking map shows us just how quickly.
The map from Johns Hopkins University's Center for Systems Science and Engineering follows coronavirus cases across the world.
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6 (https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6)
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6,000 passengers held on cruise ship in Italy as Wuhan coronavirus fears spread
Hong Kong (CNN)Six thousand people are being kept on a cruise ship in Italy as one passenger shows symptoms of the Wuhan coronavirus, while Russia is shutting its border with China to stem the spread of the outbreak.
The number of cases of the virus that originated in the Chinese city of Wuhan has shot up by 30% in just a day to more than 7,700 on the country's mainland. Elsewhere, more than 100 people have been infected in 20 countries or territories across North America, Europe, Asia and the Middle East.
Most concerning, instances of human-to-human transmission have been reported overseas, including in Germany, the first such case in Europe.
A spokesperson for Costa Cruises told CNN that a 54-year-old woman was showing symptoms of the virus, namely a fever.
"All the other passengers are, at the moment remaining on board," the spokesperson said.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/30/asia/wuhan-coronavirus-update-china-spread-intl-hnk/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/30/asia/wuhan-coronavirus-update-china-spread-intl-hnk/index.html)
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Sounds like World War Z is starting....
/sarc
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The 3 countries that closed Chinese coming in from the other day were Mongolia, North Korea and I think the Philippines but it appears, Russia now is officially joining the mix:
BNO News
@BNONews
BREAKING: Russia closes border with China to prevent outbreak of coronavirus - TASS
3:43 AM · Jan 30, 2020·TweetDeck
https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1222817609323896833 (https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1222817609323896833)
Tom Cotton
@SenTomCotton
Russia has closed its ENTIRE 2,600-mile border with China. Time to shut down travel between China and US.
https://twitter.com/SenTomCotton/status/1222876779158917121 (https://twitter.com/SenTomCotton/status/1222876779158917121)
Russia closes border with China as coronavirus spreads: reports
https://www.foxnews.com/world/russia-signs-order-close-border-china (https://www.foxnews.com/world/russia-signs-order-close-border-china)
I heard Russia had plans to close a railway on January 31st, that came out yesterday but even waiting 2 days to me, sounds too long.
Tom Cotton
@SenTomCotton
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"A tour-bus driver in Japan" got coronavirus after driving tourists from Wuhan.
Do you think those tourists kissed the bus driver as they disembarked? Me neither.
Coronavirus may be aerosolized.
Time to halt commercial flights from China to US.
https://twitter.com/SenTomCotton (https://twitter.com/SenTomCotton)
Looks like he got the article from nature.com
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China coronavirus: Hong Kong nurses call in sick in protest at government refusal to close borders
Some 90 nurses take day off in protest at administration’s response to deadly outbreak
3,000 medical staff sign petition backing strike action next week
At least 90 nurses took sick leave on Wednesday at three Hong Kong hospitals, ahead of a potential strike planned by a health care workers’ union in protest at the government’s response to the coronavirus.
The Hospital Authority confirmed the action, with many of the nurses upset at the refusal to close all border crossings as suggested by lawmakers and workers’ unions to guard against the spread of the deadly new virus, according to a source familiar with the situation.
Of those that called in sick, 26 work at Pok Oi Hospital in Yuen Long, while 41 were based at the intensive care unit or operation theatres at the Pamela Youde Nethersole Eastern Hospital in Chai Wan. Another 23 took sick leave at Princess Margaret Hospital in Kwai Chung.
Read more at: https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/health-environment/article/3048135/china-coronavirus-hong-kong-nurses-call-sick (https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/health-environment/article/3048135/china-coronavirus-hong-kong-nurses-call-sick)
Amen, close the stinking borders, the Nurses surely are at more risk but the risk goes for everyone. What if someone crossed the border with this? USA has already suffered from strains of virus coming in from elsewhere, Central America I'm thinking, in the past.
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Listened to Glenn Beck just a few minutes ago. Had Senator Cotton -- Trump and Cotton went to restrict and shut down travel from China -- DEMS are accusing them of being against the Chinese people!
They are estimating that this could wipe out 10% of China's population. That is huge.
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6,000 passengers held on cruise ship in Italy as Wuhan coronavirus fears spread
Hong Kong (CNN)Six thousand people are being kept on a cruise ship in Italy as one passenger shows symptoms of the Wuhan coronavirus, while Russia is shutting its border with China to stem the spread of the outbreak.
The number of cases of the virus that originated in the Chinese city of Wuhan has shot up by 30% in just a day to more than 7,700 on the country's mainland. Elsewhere, more than 100 people have been infected in 20 countries or territories across North America, Europe, Asia and the Middle East.
Most concerning, instances of human-to-human transmission have been reported overseas, including in Germany, the first such case in Europe.
A spokesperson for Costa Cruises told CNN that a 54-year-old woman was showing symptoms of the virus, namely a fever.
"All the other passengers are, at the moment remaining on board," the spokesperson said.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/30/asia/wuhan-coronavirus-update-china-spread-intl-hnk/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/30/asia/wuhan-coronavirus-update-china-spread-intl-hnk/index.html)
This is exactly why we've only taken one cruise. My husband became very sick on board and they were going to air ambulance him to the nearest hospital if he didn't improve -- cruise line blamed it on something he picked up off ship - I think it was something he picked up on ship.
What part of being in closed quarters with several thousand people don't people get? These cruise ships are nothing but a germ and virus carrier and this is now a nightmare waiting to happen.
The coronavirus is now spread via human to human contact. Is that touching something that they've touched or is this virus airborne?
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They are estimating that this could wipe out 10% of China's population. That is huge.
Where have you seen the mortality rate reported that high? 1~2% is all I have found.
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Where have you seen the mortality rate reported that high? 1~2% is all I have found.
Sorry - left out a bit of information. They were comparing this to SARS which killed 10% of the people infected -- some are saying this isn't as bad as SARS but keep in mind that many more people have been infected.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/what-we-know-about-the-wuhan-virus-11579716128 (https://www.wsj.com/articles/what-we-know-about-the-wuhan-virus-11579716128)
https://www.healthline.com/health-news/has-anything-changed-since-the-2003-sars-outbreak#Information-sharing-and-action (https://www.healthline.com/health-news/has-anything-changed-since-the-2003-sars-outbreak#Information-sharing-and-action)
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Where have you seen the mortality rate reported that high? 1~2% is all I have found.
I commented to the same effect on another thread. I think the big question is the degree of how rapid and severe the rate of mutation of the virus. One of my first jobs out of college long long ago had epidemiological responsiblites in data collection and reporting to CDC.
One of the things they will be watching very carefully is the incident death rate among non-suscpecible demographics (very young, elderly and comprimised immune systems).
So far, I don't think we have enough informatiion to determine whether we have at one side, an overhyped non-event like the '70's Swine flu. Or the other like a 1918 Spanish Flu outbreak.
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I commented to the same effect on another thread. I think the big question is the degree of how rapid and severe the rate of mutation of the virus. One of my first jobs out of college long long ago had epidemiological responsiblites in data collection and reporting to CDC.
One of the things they will be watching very carefully is the incident death rate among non-suscpecible demographics (very young, elderly and comprimised immune systems).
So far, I don't think we have enough informatiion to determine whether we have at one side, an overhyped non-event like the '70's Swine flu. Or the other like a 1918 Spanish Flu outbreak.
As I stated in the above post -- they are comparing this to SARS which killed 10% of those infected. The number that the coronarvirus has infected already far exceeds SARS.
Beck's radio commentary (link below) -- I trust him more than any other radio personality as he tends to do the research to back up what he says.
https://www.glennbeck.com/radio/wuhan-coronavirus-spreading-is-china-telling-the-truth-on-death-toll-infected-numbers (https://www.glennbeck.com/radio/wuhan-coronavirus-spreading-is-china-telling-the-truth-on-death-toll-infected-numbers)
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As I stated in the above post -- they are comparing this to SARS which killed 10% of those infected. The number that the coronarvirus has infected already far exceeds SARS.
Beck's radio commentary (link below) -- I trust him more than any other radio personality as he tends to do the research to back up what he says.
https://www.glennbeck.com/radio/wuhan-coronavirus-spreading-is-china-telling-the-truth-on-death-toll-infected-numbers (https://www.glennbeck.com/radio/wuhan-coronavirus-spreading-is-china-telling-the-truth-on-death-toll-infected-numbers)
Interesting. Where are you seeing or finding this 10% Mortality Rate? WHO or CDC? Someone else?
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BREAKING: US President, now believed to be involved in the deadly virus, since he wanted to silence and divert media.
ORANGE MAN VERY VERY BAD.
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BREAKING: US President, now believed to be involved in the deadly virus, since he wanted to silence and divert media.
ORANGE MAN VERY VERY BAD.
Huh?
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A grapefruit a day keeps the coronavirus away! Desperate Chinese resort to using FRUIT and BRAS as face masks… while pranksters mock the crisis with other hilarious alternatives
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7947709/A-grapefruit-day-keeps-coronavirus-away-Desperate-Chinese-resort-using-FRUIT-face-masks.html?ito=social-twitter_mailonline (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7947709/A-grapefruit-day-keeps-coronavirus-away-Desperate-Chinese-resort-using-FRUIT-face-masks.html?ito=social-twitter_mailonline)
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A grapefruit a day keeps the coronavirus away! Desperate Chinese resort to using FRUIT and BRAS as face masks… while pranksters mock the crisis with other hilarious alternatives
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7947709/A-grapefruit-day-keeps-coronavirus-away-Desperate-Chinese-resort-using-FRUIT-face-masks.html?ito=social-twitter_mailonline (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7947709/A-grapefruit-day-keeps-coronavirus-away-Desperate-Chinese-resort-using-FRUIT-face-masks.html?ito=social-twitter_mailonline)
Hilarious pictures.
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@Gefn
Jerusalem Post – today, Thursday:
University of Hong Kong scientists report that they have been able to create a vaccine for the Wuhan coronavirus, Daily Sabah reported on Thursday.
The university’s disease expert Yuen Kwok-yung claimed in an interview with the South China Morning Post that while the vaccine has been produced, “it will take a long time to test on animals.â€
He said that it would take roughly a year until clinical trials could begin on humans.
The university's laboratory is one of 12 labs working in China attempting to find a vaccine. Vaccination by nature is preventative, so could not be used to save those already infected.
The US is also working to create a vaccine and has urged Chinese authorities to increase their cooperation with international health authorities.
US secretary of Health and Human Services Alex Azar is leading the White House task force charged with monitoring the virus, The Hill reported. Participating in the task force are, among others, national security adviser Robert O'Brien, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention director Robert Redfield, top National Institutes of Health official Anthony Fauci. China granted American officials and World Health Organization officials permission to travel to China to study the virus.
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Thank you @Victoria33
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WHO Declares Global Health Emergency for Novel Coronavirus
The World Health Organization has declared a global emergency over the deadly new strain of coronavirus that has sickened thousands of people in China and has now been spread via person-to-person contact in the U.S. for the first time.
"The main reason for this declaration is not because of what is happening in China, but because of what is happening in other countries," WHO executive director Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said after the agency met on Thursday. "Our greatest concern is the potential for the virus to spread to countries with weaker health systems, and which are ill-prepared to deal with it."
WHO officials had earlier said they were concerned with an increase in human-to-human transmission.
https://weather.com/health/cold-flu/news/2020-01-30-world-health-organization-declares-coronavirus-global-crisis
I think there were some slackers on their committee who must not have been informed in the prior vote.
This can hurt the world economy but picture the Chinese economy, they make so many goods that many, even in the US use, bicycles and so on.
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Coronavirus declared global health emergency by WHO
The new coronavirus has been declared a global emergency by the World Health Organization, as the outbreak continues to spread outside China.
"The main reason for this declaration is not what is happening in China but what is happening in other countries," said WHO chief Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus.
The concern is that it could spread to countries with weaker health systems.
At least 213 people have died from the virus in China.
The WHO said there had been 98 cases in 18 other countries, but no deaths. Most cases have emerged in people who have travelled from the Chinese city of Wuhan, where the outbreak began. ........
........However, there have been eight cases of human-to-human infection - in Germany, Japan, Vietnam and the United States.
Speaking at a news conference in Geneva, Dr Tedros described the virus as an "unprecedented outbreak" that has been met with an "unprecedented response"................
...........Remember this is a disease which emerged only last month and yet there are already 7,736 confirmed cases in China and 12,167 suspected ones............
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-51318246 (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-51318246)
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Where have you seen the mortality rate reported that high? 1~2% is all I have found.
That's all I have seen, too. Keep in mind that as the virus spreads, the ability to the medical care system to take care of cases diminishes. Providers get sick, supplies run out, beds are full. Consider hospital beds vs population, and it doesn't take a lot to overload the system, which is predicated on a set number of patients at any given time vs 'rushes' from outbreaks.
The latter are short term events generally, and those empty beds would not pay the bills, so where the capacity and break even curves cross is a critical point.
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I've seen numbers from 1-50% death rate. It's hard to calculate because the disease is so contagious and can have a long incubation time.
I've seen no numbers on the time between when symptoms first manifest and morality. Seem like around a week.
Plus we're dealing with the Chicom govt and who knows if anything they say is accurate.
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Few days ago, it appeared the numbers were running about 4% mortality. But believing in data from China would be a mistake. Look at their actions. They have quarantined a city with 11 million. Who does that with a mortality rate of 4%?
Look at how this is spreading. I see it as a real threat to humanity since most of the world does not have health departments geared to prevent this. Today it is 20 countries. In one month, it will be 100 countries. Today 8,000+ are infected, one month from now, based on a spread rate we have seen, we could see 63 million infected by my calculation. Perhaps efforts to safeguard the population will slow the spread or halt it, but I do not see that happening. As long as we have people flying all over the world, and as long as this virus can incubate for two weeks without being symptomatic, the threat is real.
A mortality rate of 4% on 63 million would produce 2.5 million dead. I would say health officials across the world are sleeping on the job. While this is not as bad as the virus outbreak back in 1917 where 10 million people died, this is still a huge number of dead from one virus in a short period of time. Again, that is doing a projection of one month. If the outbreak is not abated by then, the number just keeps going up. Take 7.5 billion population, subtract 25% that might have some form of resistance, and you have about 22 million mortalities at 4%, 5.6 million at 1%.
My wife works for the CDC, and with only six infected here so far, they are asking for volunteers to be deployed to work on the outbreak.
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Few days ago, it appeared the numbers were running about 4% mortality. But believing in data from China would be a mistake. Look at their actions. They have quarantined a city with 11 million. Who does that with a mortality rate of 4%?
Look at how this is spreading. I see it as a real threat to humanity since most of the world does not have health departments geared to prevent this. Today it is 20 countries. In one month, it will be 100 countries. Today 8,000+ are infected, one month from now, based on a spread rate we have seen, we could see 63 million infected by my calculation. Perhaps efforts to safeguard the population will slow the spread or halt it, but I do not see that happening. As long as we have people flying all over the world, and as long as this virus can incubate for two weeks without being symptomatic, the threat is real.
A mortality rate of 4% on 63 million would produce 2.5 million dead. I would say health officials across the world are sleeping on the job. While this is not as bad as the virus outbreak back in 1917 where 10 million people died, this is still a huge number of dead from one virus in a short period of time. Again, that is doing a projection of one month. If the outbreak is not abated by then, the number just keeps going up. Take 7.5 billion population, subtract 25% that might have some form of resistance, and you have about 22 million mortalities at 4%, 5.6 million at 1%.
My wife works for the CDC, and with only six infected here so far, they are asking for volunteers to be deployed to work on the outbreak.
I gamed some numbers, too. The potential infection numbers are staggering if each infected person only, on average, passes the disease to two others.
While 1% may not seem like much, there are more people in the world to be infected than, say, 1918, they travel far more and farther, and despite health care advances, facilities could be overwhelmed, at least on a local basis, greatly negating those advances for all practical purposes.
It bears watching.
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Two coronavirus cases confirmed in UK
Two people from the same family have tested positive for coronavirus in the UK, the chief medical officer for England has announced.
It is understood the patients were staying in a hotel in Yorkshire, before being taken overnight to a specialist centre in Newcastle.
At least 213 people in China have died from the virus, with almost 10,000 cases nationally.
There have been 98 cases in another 18 countries.
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-51325192 (https://www.bbc.com/news/health-51325192)
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Hong Kong leader rejects calls to close border despite virus fears
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-hongkong-idUSKBN1ZU1K6 (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-hongkong-idUSKBN1ZU1K6)
Bad, bad decision to me, one of the medical associations say they need to do this.
Sometimes, you see Senators working different topics, either they specialize in it OR, they are assigned to do this.
So, Senator Cotton appears to be working this a whole, whole lot.
https://twitter.com/sentomcotton (https://twitter.com/sentomcotton) (with a lot of video, all from yesterday)
Tom Cotton
@SenTomCotton
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As a defensive measure, we must shut down commercial air travel between the United States and China.
As an offensive measure, we need a Manhattan Project level effort to work with our best research scientists and laboratories to develop a vaccine as quickly as possible.
(That's interesting, "Manhattan Project level")
China has quarantined 60 million people—more than the population of our West Coast. They’ve shut down schools indefinitely. Hong Kong has slashed travel from the mainland. We must immediately stop all travel on commercial aircraft between China & the United States.
China has quarantined 60 million people—more than the population of our West Coast. They’ve shut down schools indefinitely. Hong Kong has slashed travel from the mainland. We must immediately stop all travel on commercial aircraft between China & the United States.
MESSAGE TO ALL AMERICANS IN CHINA: Get out—now. Contact our embassy or consulates if you need help.
This declaration is a week overdue, but a welcome development. China must open completely to WHO and international scientists. And it’s more urgent than ever to stop travel between China and US.
We still don’t know where coronavirus originated. Could have been a market, a farm, a food processing company.
I would note that Wuhan has China’s only biosafety level-four super laboratory that works with the world’s most deadly pathogens to include, yes, coronavirus.
China claimed—for almost two months—that coronavirus had originated in a Wuhan seafood market. That is not the case. @TheLancet
published a study demonstrating that of the original 40 cases, 14 of them had no contact with the seafood market, including Patient Zero.
China is still lying about the spread of coronavirus, as they have from the start.
We now know the first case manifested no later than December 1. A month later, they continued to hide it from their own citizens.
Today, it is in every single province in China.
And still more and relative to others, Senator Tom Cotton's twitter is moderately active but it was very active yesterday.
There must be some of this on CSPAN too.
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World govts are between a rock and a hard place. Commerce now is so global and mobile that you have to choose between the misery of the economy grinding to a halt from quarantine, or of the population succumbing to a virus.
That's where things are at now.
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World govts are between a rock and a hard place. Commerce now is so global and mobile that you have to choose between the misery of the economy grinding to a halt from quarantine, or of the population succumbing to a virus.
That's where things are at now.
I don't think there should be any question that this is going to affect the world economy; including the U.S and perhaps people should start preparing for the possibility of a pandemic.
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The U.S. needs to step up their game plan.
UK confirms first coronavirus cases as outbreak spreads globally
Japan now has 17 confirmed coronavirus cases
Italy declares state of emergency
https://www.cnn.com/asia/live-news/coronavirus-outbreak-01-31-20-intl-hnk/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/asia/live-news/coronavirus-outbreak-01-31-20-intl-hnk/index.html)
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Xining, the capital of China's Qinghai Province, is 3 provinces west of Wuhan. It has 8 confirmed cases of nCV and all residents have been ordered not to go outdoors. Sort of a shelter-in-place for 2+ million city residents. Our daughter, who lives there, has been with us here for about 3 weeks, so she is not affected. But depending on how things progress, her return trip 3 weeks from now may be delayed.
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Xining, the capital of China's Qinghai Province, is 3 provinces west of Wuhan. It has 8 confirmed cases of nCV and all residents have been ordered not to go outdoors. Sort of a shelter-in-place for 2+ million city residents. Our daughter, who lives there, has been with us here for about 3 weeks, so she is not affected. But depending on how things progress, her return trip 3 weeks from now may be delayed.
My college student niece was planning to go to China for spring break (some sort of organized group trip), but It's been cancelled.
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@TomSea
@Gefn
@roamer_1
@corbe
@mystery-ak
My opinion of Face Masks due to my training as an EMT:
1. Do not buy a loose fitting cloth/material mask designed to stop dust. It will not stop a virus getting to you. No soft material, loose fitting mask, keeps out viruses.
2. Do not buy an N95 soft surgical mask. These are designed for surgeons to wear to mainly protect the patient, so the surgeon does not transfer to the patient what the surgeon exhales when he breathes. If surgeon was ill, he would not be operating - the surgeon face mask is a precaution for both surgeon and patient. Both nurses and doctors use these masks. If working where there was a disease virus suspected, the medical personnel dealing with that person would likely wear a face shield. We know nurses have caught this virus, it is gong human to human; those nurses should have been wearing face shields and gloves and disposing of them correctly as well as wearing proper medical clothing designed to keep the wearer safe and disposing of them correctly.
3. A non-soft, hard medical N95 mask that fits closely to the skin (bends to do that), is better, but there is more: the virus can invade your eyes. You must protect the entire face to stop a virus. A full length face shield is needed. Go here to see Face Shields - don't have to buy it here but look at what you need:
https://www.medline.com/product/Full-Length-Face-Shields/Face-Shields/Z05-PF07322 (https://www.medline.com/product/Full-Length-Face-Shields/Face-Shields/Z05-PF07322)
4. If you need to wear a face shield, say someone with the virus has been around where you live, you must add these needs to the face shield in order to not contract the virus:
A. Medical gloves. Wear them when wearing face shield or without face shield. Do not touch your face when wearing these gloves. When you discard the gloves, do this: With one gloved hand, take the inside top of the glove on the other hand and pull down to remove glove; the glove is now inside out. Drop glove inside a container of some kind that can be closed. With now bare hand, reach inside the other glove so you don't touch the outside of the glove, and pull it off; it is now also inside out, drop glove inside container and close container. Wash hands thoroughly.
B. What the government says about face masks:
https://www.fda.gov/medical-devices/personal-protective-equipment-infection-control/masks-and-n95-respirators#s1 (https://www.fda.gov/medical-devices/personal-protective-equipment-infection-control/masks-and-n95-respirators#s1)
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Afraid of the coronavirus, American Airlines pilots sue to halt flights to China
By David Koenig
Associated Press |
Jan 31, 2020 | 8:33 AM
DALLAS - The pilots union at American Airlines sued Thursday to stop the carrier from flying to China and told members not to operate flights there because of the spreading coronavirus outbreak.
The Allied Pilots Association, which represents American’s 15,000 pilots, asked a state district court in Dallas for an injunction to halt the flights immediately. The union cited declarations by international health experts that the virus is a public health emergency. ... More from Chicago Tribune (https://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-biz-american-airlines-pilots-20200131-25v3qg473fhyxhjcc2pk5e3lym-story.html)
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I still have one of my X's old bras, I'll just use that.
(https://i.pinimg.com/564x/37/54/3e/37543ee43d6a1e86df1cbfb2aab5a909.jpg)
wink777
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Dead in the streets: Appalling sight of man's body on the pavement lays bare the crisis in coronavirus ground zero Wuhan
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/01/31/07/24117012-7951059-image-a-13_1580456976608.jpg)
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7951059/Man-lies-dead-streets-coronavirus-ground-zero-Wuhan.html?ito=social-twitter_mailonline&__twitter_impression=true (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7951059/Man-lies-dead-streets-coronavirus-ground-zero-Wuhan.html?ito=social-twitter_mailonline&__twitter_impression=true)
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The coronavirus is smaller than an N95 mask will reliably filter.
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I still have one of my X's old bras, I'll just use that.
wink777
One of my most quotable quips is that when asked how i wanted to die......
Smothered to death by uncovered "D" Cups would be my choice.
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Singapore closes flights from and I assume to China.
World / United States & Canada
Delta suspends all US-China flights, pilots sue American Airlines amid coronavirus fears
The Allied Pilots Association asked a judge to approve an injunction to stop further flights until more information is known about the outbreak
Delta Air Lines said it will temporarily suspend all US-China flights till April 30
Delta Air Lines said on Friday it will temporarily suspend all remaining US-China flights after the State Department elevated a travel advisory over concerns about the coronavirus.
The US told citizens on Thursday not to travel to China due to an epidemic that has infected nearly 10,000 people and been declared a global emergency.
https://www.scmp.com/news/world/united-states-canada/article/3048497/american-airlines-pilots-sue-halt-us-china-flights (https://www.scmp.com/news/world/united-states-canada/article/3048497/american-airlines-pilots-sue-halt-us-china-flights)
We haven't done the same, since when did we become such a country? I would think the President could bar all traffic to and from China.
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Dead in the streets: Appalling sight of man's body on the pavement lays bare the crisis in coronavirus ground zero Wuhan
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/01/31/07/24117012-7951059-image-a-13_1580456976608.jpg)
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7951059/Man-lies-dead-streets-coronavirus-ground-zero-Wuhan.html?ito=social-twitter_mailonline&__twitter_impression=true (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7951059/Man-lies-dead-streets-coronavirus-ground-zero-Wuhan.html?ito=social-twitter_mailonline&__twitter_impression=true)
These are sad, I saw one video clip where the guy fell over while standing. In some of these cases, the person may still be alive and EMS tries to get to them. I'm saying that as a note of optimism. I don't know if we can be sure they are dead though it's terrible.
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These are sad, I saw one video clip where the guy fell over while standing. In some of these cases, the person may still be alive and EMS tries to get to them. I'm saying that as a note of optimism. I don't know if we can be sure they are dead though it's terrible.
And most of these dead aren't counted in the statistics because they were never tested for the virus. China is lying through its teeth on this.
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And most of these dead aren't counted in the statistics because they were never tested for the virus. China is lying through its teeth on this.
China is our most formidable challenge, it's ironic that what appears to be a big setback for China is this sickness.
I heard it opined this morning that the reason the WHO did not declare an emergency earlier was because of pressure from China. Sounds plausible.
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Very glad to see this. Better to be safe than sorry. I'm hoping that Trump declares no travel from China into the U.S.
Coronavirus: CDC Puts Americans Who Left Wuhan Into 'Unprecedented' 14-Day Quarantine
The U.S. is placing 195 Americans who were evacuated from Wuhan, China, under a mandatory 14-day quarantine in an effort to limit the spread of a deadly new coronavirus, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention announced Friday. The evacuees are currently being housed at March Air Reserve Base in California – and the quarantine order comes after one of them tried to leave the base.
"The HHS secretary has issued federal quarantine orders for all 195 passengers," said Dr. Nancy Messonnier, director of the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases at the CDC. She added that the quarantine's 14-day period began with their removal from Wuhan earlier this week.
The quarantine was announced one day after the World Health Organization declared the Wuhan coronavirus to be a global health emergency. Earlier, the State Department warned Americans not to travel to China, issuing its highest-level safety advisory due to concerns about the deadly respiratory virus.
"While we recognize this is an unprecedented action, we are facing an unprecedented public health threat," Messonnier said. "And this is one of the tools in our toolbox to mitigate the potential impact of this novel virus on the United States.".............
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/01/31/801623033/coronavirus-cdc-puts-americans-who-left-wuhan-into-unprecedented-14-day-quaranti (https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/01/31/801623033/coronavirus-cdc-puts-americans-who-left-wuhan-into-unprecedented-14-day-quaranti)
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Definitely a good move!
US declares public health emergency over coronavirus
The United States has declared a public health emergency because of the coronavirus which has hit China and has spread to other nations.
Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar also announced that President Donald Trump will temporarily bar entry to the US of foreign nationals believed to be a risk of transmitting the virus. The new restrictions will begin on Sunday afternoon.
“The risk of infection for Americans remains low and with these and our previous actions we are working to keep the risk low,†Mr Azar said........
..........The US will also begin funnelling all flights from China to seven major airports where passengers can be screened for illness.
The virus has infected almost 10,000 people globally in just two months, a troublesome sign that prompted the World Health Organisation to declare the outbreak a global emergency.
The death toll stood at 213, including 43 new fatalities, all in China.
The announcement came hours after the State Department issued a level 4 “Do Not Travel†advisory, the highest grade of warning, and told Americans in China to consider departing using commercial means....................
https://www.yahoo.com/news/us-declares-public-health-emergency-212624294.html (https://www.yahoo.com/news/us-declares-public-health-emergency-212624294.html)
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So let me guess... A "few hundred" will officially die of this while tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands will quietly die of "unknown" causes.
Some 200 deaths over several weeks in a city of 15 million doesn't leave dead or dying people in the streets. When will their lying be exposed???
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US stock market dropped big time. Supposedly on this virus news.
I'm trusting the US government, less and less.
The solution is for China to implement.
Hopefully they will.
Scot Adams talks about "decoupling, from China."
hey steal Intellectual property.
They do not honor promises.
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US stock market dropped big time. Supposedly on this virus news.
I'm trusting the US government, less and less.
The solution is for China to implement.
Hopefully they will.
Scot Adams talks about "decoupling, from China."
hey steal Intellectual property.
They do not honor promises.
I anticipated that the markets would react -- the worst is yet to come. Next to the U.S., China is the largest economy in the world. So how could this not affect the markets? China is estimating now that they will lose close to $60 billion dollars this quarter...I'd say that's pretty significant.
Analysts are predicting for the near future a downturn in the market of 10% -- anyone invested in China I'd say is SOL.
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yusuf
@tekdemiryusuf
Indian scientists: "The virus may not be natural"
Indian scientists have found HIV (AIDS) virus-like additions that are not found in any other coronavirus in the 2019-nCov virus. This points to the possibility of the new type of coronavirus being designed.
#coronavirus
3:10 PM · Jan 31, 2020·Twitter Web App
19 Retweets 36 Likes
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Sriram Chandra
@sriramchs
New research: #coronavirus has bits of HIV, probably not random and possibly engineered.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EPo1IR1XsAAl8Bl.jpg
(Not peer-reviewed yet)
2:53 PM · Jan 31, 2020·Twitter for Android
24 Retweets 39 Likes
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Anand Ranganathan
@ARanganathan72
Oh my god. Indian scientists have just found HIV (AIDS) virus-like insertions in the 2019-nCov virus that are not found in any other coronavirus. They hint at the possibility that this Chinese virus was designed ["not fortuitous']. Scary if true.
https://biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.30.927871v1.full.pdf
1:03 PM · Jan 31, 2020·Twitter Web Client
4.1K Retweets 5.1K Likes
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Anand Ranganathan
@ARanganathan72
Oh my god. Indian scientists have just found HIV (AIDS) virus-like insertions in the 2019-nCov virus that are not found in any other coronavirus. They hint at the possibility that this Chinese virus was designed ["not fortuitous']. Scary if true.
https://biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.30.927871v1.full.pdf
1:03 PM · Jan 31, 2020·Twitter Web Client
4.1K Retweets 5.1K Likes
So I wonder if being infected with this has some other long term consequences. It sure sounds like the Chinese were experimenting with splicing different viruses together. The Chinese are well known to cut corners in just about everything they do to get ahead. This could well be the result.
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Just a thought, don't mean nuthin', but...
... it might be time to end all international travel for a while.
ALL of it.
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Just a thought, don't mean nuthin', but...
... it might be time to end all international travel for a while.
ALL of it.
The Dow dropped over 2% today (over 600 points) because they're wondering that too.
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Drudge has a photo posted of a man lying dead in the streets and someone just passing him by on a bike like he’s a not there.
Where’s the humanity? Are we reverting to savages or something else?
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Drudge has a photo posted of a man lying dead in the streets and someone just passing him by on a bike like he’s a not there.
Where’s the humanity? Are we reverting to savages or something else?
"We" are not. "The Chinese" have always been savages.
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"We" are not. "The Chinese" have always been savages.
Here’s the story.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10860656/coronavirus-horror-dead-man-street/ (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10860656/coronavirus-horror-dead-man-street/)
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Drudge has a photo posted of a man lying dead in the streets and someone just passing him by on a bike like he’s a not there.
Where’s the humanity? Are we reverting to savages or something else?
Asian culture is very different than ours. It isn't something we need more of here.
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"We" are not. "The Chinese" have always been savages.
Communism doesn't help.
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Here’s the story.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10860656/coronavirus-horror-dead-man-street/ (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10860656/coronavirus-horror-dead-man-street/)
It is harsh, but what can the average bystander do except pretty much guarantee they will become infected?
Even the medics are wearing hazmat suits and what appear to be serious respirators, not the little masks people only think will help (the virus can get through a N-95 mask, even with a decent seal).
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These are sad, I saw one video clip where the guy fell over while standing. In some of these cases, the person may still be alive and EMS tries to get to them. I'm saying that as a note of optimism. I don't know if we can be sure they are dead though it's terrible.
There was a video, maybe on this thread, where it looked like a hospital worker (white coat) was laying like that in a hospital hallway.
One thing about this. Not seeing videos from your average phone user in China posting vids-aka-life or death on the streets. Wondering if the Chinese Govt. i'sn't putting a lockdown on internet postings. Not that they would.../s
Maybe it is because I haven't been looking for them.
One note of concern with this is the handling of the swine flu virus that has wiped out half of the pig population in China in the (last) year. 444 million pigs. 50% loss. Not a virus harmful to humans although humans can be a carrier. The Chinese govt. effed up containment of that. Don't know if it HAS been contained.
So, with this human virus, I have major doubts about the number of cases per the number of deaths.
What is it now? At least 60 million people "quarantined"?
The death toll may be far higher.
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"We" are not. "The Chinese" have always been savages.
Love ya. Calling BS.
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Anand Ranganathan
@ARanganathan72
Oh my god. Indian scientists have just found HIV (AIDS) virus-like insertions in the 2019-nCov virus that are not found in any other coronavirus. They hint at the possibility that this Chinese virus was designed ["not fortuitous']. Scary if true.
https://biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.30.927871v1.full.pdf
1:03 PM · Jan 31, 2020·Twitter Web Client
4.1K Retweets 5.1K Likes
uh huh
I shoulda kept going with Robot 2.
And "good" members treat @Quix like a miscreant.
Most people can't handle the truth because they are too effing stupid to understand it.
Good on ya.
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Drudge has a photo posted of a man lying dead in the streets and someone just passing him by on a bike like he’s a not there.
Where’s the humanity? Are we reverting to savages or something else?
Please check post #220, it was posted here hours ago. page 9.
@Gefn
Please try to keep up! :seeya:
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Sriram Chandra
@sriramchs
New research: #coronavirus has bits of HIV, probably not random and possibly engineered.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EPo1IR1XsAAl8Bl.jpg
(Not peer-reviewed yet)
2:53 PM · Jan 31, 2020·Twitter for Android
24 Retweets 39 Likes
That's something, HIV. Well, like I said, when the Chinese were trying, I believe "cloning", it really showed how far they will go, EVEN THOUGH THAT SCIENTIST GOT ARRESTED.... I add that in because it is important.
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I can't believe they are saying this and also, we are certainly not among the first, Mongolia, North Korea, Philippines, Italy, Israel, Singapore, I know I am missing some but a number of countries are taking these kinds of measures. Australia is certainly quarantining people.
China chides ‘mean’ US for travel warning as virus impact spreads
The United States angered China on Friday with a warning to Americans not to travel there because of a coronavirus epidemic that has rattled the global economy with increasing disruption to business supply lines.
Originating in the Chinese city of Wuhan, the flu-like virus first identified earlier this month has resulted in 213 deaths in China. Wuhan and the surrounding region are in virtual quarantine.
More than 9,800 people have been infected in China and more than 130 cases reported in at least 25 other countries and regions, with Russia, Britain, Sweden and Italy all reporting their first cases on Thursday or Friday.
More: https://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/world/2020/01/31/China-chides-mean-US-for-travel-warning-as-virus-impact-spreads.html
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I can't believe they are saying this and also, we are certainly not among the first, Mongolia, North Korea, Philippines, Italy, Israel, Singapore, I know I am missing some but a number of countries are taking these kinds of measures. Australia is certainly quarantining people.
LOL! More "sharing is caring" BS.
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My conspiracy-wired section...
The two-week period post-infection without any symptoms SCREAMS controlled testing. Or something more sinister.
There are brand 'New' midsize GHOST cities...totally unoccupied, built by the Chinese
http://www.google.com/search?ei=C-o0XvPIIqGtytMP-augmA4&q=new+unoccupied+cities+in+china&oq=new+unoccupied+cities+in+china&gs_l=psy-ab.1.0.0.25894.26751..29165...0.3..0.44.165.4......0....1..gws-wiz.......0i71j0i13j0i7i30.P6hdd2Ag6Wo (http://www.google.com/search?ei=C-o0XvPIIqGtytMP-augmA4&q=new+unoccupied+cities+in+china&oq=new+unoccupied+cities+in+china&gs_l=psy-ab.1.0.0.25894.26751..29165...0.3..0.44.165.4......0....1..gws-wiz.......0i71j0i13j0i7i30.P6hdd2Ag6Wo)
...like they wanted to be ready for a mass evacuation of people.
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My conspiracy-wired section...
The two-week period post-infection without any symptoms SCREAMS controlled testing. Or something more sinister.
There are brand 'New' midsize GHOST cities...totally unoccupied, built by the Chinese
http://www.google.com/search?ei=C-o0XvPIIqGtytMP-augmA4&q=new+unoccupied+cities+in+china&oq=new+unoccupied+cities+in+china&gs_l=psy-ab.1.0.0.25894.26751..29165...0.3..0.44.165.4......0....1..gws-wiz.......0i71j0i13j0i7i30.P6hdd2Ag6Wo (http://www.google.com/search?ei=C-o0XvPIIqGtytMP-augmA4&q=new+unoccupied+cities+in+china&oq=new+unoccupied+cities+in+china&gs_l=psy-ab.1.0.0.25894.26751..29165...0.3..0.44.165.4......0....1..gws-wiz.......0i71j0i13j0i7i30.P6hdd2Ag6Wo)
...like they wanted to be ready for a mass evacuation of people.
I've seen articles for those ghost cities in the past, probably a few years ago.
There's a lot to speculate on all of this, 75% chance or more, there is more than meets the eye here, that this killer virus would take off in Wuhan. And the exorbitant amount of pigs killed in this already to start with, a quarter of all pigs on earth. All of this seems like uncharted territory.
Then, again, I haven't closely watched epidemics in the past, I remember SARS and it was thought to be pretty bad.
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My conspiracy-wired section...
The two-week period post-infection without any symptoms SCREAMS controlled testing. Or something more sinister.
There are brand 'New' midsize GHOST cities...totally unoccupied, built by the Chinese
http://www.google.com/search?ei=C-o0XvPIIqGtytMP-augmA4&q=new+unoccupied+cities+in+china&oq=new+unoccupied+cities+in+china&gs_l=psy-ab.1.0.0.25894.26751..29165...0.3..0.44.165.4......0....1..gws-wiz.......0i71j0i13j0i7i30.P6hdd2Ag6Wo (http://www.google.com/search?ei=C-o0XvPIIqGtytMP-augmA4&q=new+unoccupied+cities+in+china&oq=new+unoccupied+cities+in+china&gs_l=psy-ab.1.0.0.25894.26751..29165...0.3..0.44.165.4......0....1..gws-wiz.......0i71j0i13j0i7i30.P6hdd2Ag6Wo)
...like they wanted to be ready for a mass evacuation of people.
I see it the other way. Hostage people in those cities to use them as lab rats. They aren't "cities". They are testing facilities.
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Radio Free Asia:
Coronavirus Ravages Wuhan as Hospitals Turn Fever, Pneumonia Patients Away
2020-01-31
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Reports from inside quarantined Wuhan draw a picture of a city where normal life has been largely abandoned, where hard-pressed medical teams routinely turn away patients for lack of beds or supplies, and where the majority of infections may not even have been counted.
A medical worker in Wuhan said hospitals in the city are now full of pneumonia patients, and are turning more away, meaning that they go back home and infect their families.
"Many of my friends have gotten sick, but they can't get admitted to a hospital, and those who have managed it are usually private patients who can pay the bills themselves," the healthcare worker said.
See more at: https://www.rfa.org/english/news/china/ravages-01312020160515.html (https://www.rfa.org/english/news/china/ravages-01312020160515.html)
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@TomSea As anticipated.
There are only so many hospital beds, a relatively small percentage of the population. Even here, economics dictate that wards do not sit empty, and those not seen as useable in ordinary situations, plus a small overflow capacity, simply aren't there.
In this case, the potential for infection once those beds are filled skyrockets, as those in those households who are themselves asymptomatic or uninfected go forth to get everything from groceries to medicine (likely on the black market) and expose others or are exposed. With a two week incubation period, most people will be in rough shape without food or medicine for a lockdown period without aid. Even the mechanisms to distribute that will break down if enough are infected.
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OK.
Not to bring the Nazi element into this equation except for the propaganda angle. (quotations and comments are freely available) without my assistant's. Call now: 1- SOL FUC YUTO
Tell a lie.
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uh huh
I shoulda kept going with Robot 2.
And "good" members treat @Quix like a miscreant.
Most people can't handle the truth because they are too effing stupid to understand it.
Good on ya.
THANKS for your kind comment.
Being called a 'miscreant' kind of goes with the territory of being Quix--A lifelong part of my existential thrownness.
People are averse to:
1. hearing the truth--particularly about themselves. That's probably the most persistent explanation by those in close face to face relationships as to the biggest problem people have with me.
2. having to do with atypical outliers who do not fit the middle of the bell curve in 'normalcy.' I didn't fit the middle of bell curve from the beginning--was cut out, not born. God made clear to me a long time ago that HE had created me & trained, conditioned me to be the person HE wanted--to quite being that concerned about what others thought & get on down the road doing what HE wanted as that was what brought HIM joy. That has helped a LOT.
3. people who are 'annoyingly correct, accurate' too much of the time. I don't know how much that fits me but some friends insist it does.
4. people who say things in NON-Politically Correct ways. I don't think being PC is in my bones or constitution.
5. People who say things in startling, jangly ways. I've just learned saying things in calm reasonable ways tends to insure they get forgotten almost immediately.
Ahhhh well, I can only do what I can do. I can only be who I am. I try to do & be honorably as unto The Lord and His values though I know I fail often at that.
At least I want to leave people with food for thought and to try and jar them out of complacency & the stupor all the oligarchy's MSM lobotomizing brainwashing has left them in.
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That's something, HIV. Well, like I said, when the Chinese were trying, I believe "cloning", it really showed how far they will go, EVEN THOUGH THAT SCIENTIST GOT ARRESTED.... I add that in because it is important.
I think this revelation is one of the most telling evident facts to surface.
The oligarchy is truly ruthless, cynical, genocidal, power-mongering to the max etc.
Bolstering our immune systems and prayer seem to be the priorities to manage.
BTW, the best, tiniest particle colloidal silver I know of in the whole USA or globe is from:
http://www.msminerals.com (http://www.msminerals.com)
Great authentic Christian folks own & run the place.
Having had chronic sinus infections my whole life--often going into life-threatening pneumonia--I now can't remember the last time I had a cold.
I initially used the saline solution in the Neil Med squeeze bottle. It worked IF I used it immediately at first hint of a threat in my nose etc. And, I'd have to use half a bottle or a whole bottle of saline--at least several squeezes. And I'd have to use it at IMMEDIATELY EVERY succeeding symptomatic threat hint. The application would last maybe 3-4 hours. But it would whip threats back within 3-5 days.
Then I tried the colloidal silver in the squeeze bottle to my nose/sinuses.
It worked a LOT better & was far more comfortable. I only had to use 1-3 squeezes per symptomatic threat sensation. And, each application tended to work 4-12 hours instead of 3-4. And it would whip the threat to the mat within 1-3 days.
Initially, I did get a kind of 'ice cream headache' sensation for 3-8 seconds but that was a small price to pay. Now, I don't even get that.
So, I have about 10 gallons of the stuff. They have been very very kind, to me. They sell the usual 200ppm variety.
They've given me much more intense 1,000ppm. I usually dilute that considerably, though.
They also have the highest quality mineral supplement available in solution. Kind of tastes like sucking on a water soaked piece of wood but it's great stuff.
Anyway--FWIW. I'm thankful I have the colloidal silver for such as the Corona virus.
Of course I take also turmeric, D3 with K etc. etc. etc.
And I take a mixture of equal parts (say a cup) garlic puree, lemon juice, ginger puree & Braggs Apple Cider Vinegar. Simmered for 30 min. Cooled, add 2-3 cups raw organic honey. I take 2-4 tablespoons of that 1-2 times a day. Helps BP & arteries & other things. Interestingly, I picked up a fungal itch problem in feet & legs & hands my Navy tour in Taiwan. Nothing has cured it. But when I take this concoction twice a day, I don't have the itch problem.
FWIW.
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Love ya. Calling BS.
@Cyber Liberty
I suppose it depends on the meaning of "savages."
The Chinese have been the MOST civilized, sophisticated, developed civilization for millennia in a list of ways.
They have also been among the most cruel, ruthless, vengeful (idiom: 10 years is not too long to wait for vengeance), blood thirsty, too often arbitrary etc. I won't describe one of their ancient monkey meals.
But such things are in the heart of man in all cultures. Some cultures (particularly authentic Christianity) keep them in check better than others.
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No, the 2019-nCoV genome doesn’t really seem engineered from HIV
https://theprepared.com/blog/no-the-2019-ncov-genome-doesnt-actually-seem-engineered-from-hiv/ (https://theprepared.com/blog/no-the-2019-ncov-genome-doesnt-actually-seem-engineered-from-hiv/)
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Biorxiv (where the paper claiming the "Uncanny Similarity to HIV" was found) is a preprint server for uploading finished manuscripts, before (or during) the process of submitting them to a journal for publication. It is not peer reviewed and there seems to be but only very basic screening and a check against plagiarism (in other words, does it follow the basic outline of a scientific paper and ensuring it is not a word for word copy of another paper). That doesn't mean everything posted there is garbage, but also doesn’t mean everything posted there is valid.
https://www.researchgate.net/post/What_is_biorxiv_And_what_do_people_use_it_for (https://www.researchgate.net/post/What_is_biorxiv_And_what_do_people_use_it_for)
7th Jul, 2018
Bernhard Hommel
Leiden University
But the problem is that such servers blur the line between peer-reviewed articles and fake news. Many authors and readers treat pre-publications just like peer-reviewed papers accepted by a journal, and so we read twitter messages about „evidence for xyz“ with a link to unreviewed papers with sometimes questionable methodology and conclusions, and laypeople (and I‘m afraid some researchers as well) take that as scientific evidence already. That has the potential to undermine the credibility of our science.
Criticisms in the comment section of the Biorxiv paper – “Uncanny similarity of unique inserts in the 2019-nCoV spike protein to HIV-1 gp120 and Gagâ€:
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.30.927871v1.article-info (https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.30.927871v1.article-info)
Brian Hanley • 7 hours ago • edited
I agree with Jason Weir, Song Yang, and others.
Regarding these purported HIV sequences. I studied gp120 structure in an transmission electron microscopy lab in grad school. gp120 has long non-conserved regions that effectively hypermutate. This is a major mechanism of HIV immune system evasion, because it changes the gp120 presented region so fast the immune system can't keep up with it.
This happens because HIV is an RNA virus. It has a couple of mutations per replication on average. In late stagesof infection there can be 500K to 1 million copies per milliliter. do the math on that. Because of this, we call HIV a quasi-species. It's got a very bushy tree within one person that is infected.
Within the quasi species of HIV, in the gp120 non-conserved high mutationregions you are going to find just about any short sequence there sooner or later. These inserts are short, up to 15 or so nucleotides, but mostly 5 to 8. And this is the spike protein, which is an area that mutates and finds new receptors.
If you want to look at anengineered virus, look up SHIV (simian HIV). That was designed and produced in a laboratory. It has huge regions transferred from other viruses. It makes monkeys sick with human-like HIV.
I think that this paper is ignorant and amateurish pseudoscience. No. Absolutely not. This is not some escaped bioweapon.
Jason Weir • 14 hours ago
I blasted each of the four 2019 - nCoV inserts shown in Table 1 and received 100% identity with a number of other hits other than HIV-1. For example, BLAST-P results for insert RSYLTPGDSSSG received 100% identity with Spike glycoprotein from a bat coronovirus with Genbank accession number GenBank: QHR63300.1. It is thus much closer to a known bat coronovirus than it is to HIV-1. Likewise each of the other three inserts have 100% amino acid identity to other non-HIV sources. The paper is thus highly misleading in that it does not discuss the other blast hits to non HIV-1 related sources, some of which have high identity than those from HIV-1. The implications of the paper that 2019 - nCoV coronovirus has elements of HIV-1 virus inserted into it should be treated with scepticism.
-Jason Weir (Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology, University of Toronto)
And something that jumped to me as well:
Kenrod • 12 hours ago
It strikes me that the phrase "uncanny similarity" and continued use of the word uncanny in the manuscript is not scientific. Unless there is a way to measure or gauge a comparison via some sort of statistics this reads more like astrology and is irresponsible.
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Coronavirus Lurking in Feces May Reveal Hidden Risk of Spread
By Jason Gale
Squat latrines, common in China, may be a virus source
2019-nCoV virus was found in loose stool of case in Washington
While doctors have focused on respiratory samples from pneumonia cases to identify coronavirus patients, they might have ignored a less apparent and hidden source of the spread: diarrhea.
The novel coronavirus was detected in the loose stool of the first U.S. case -- a finding that hasn’t featured among case reports from Wuhan, China, the epicenter of the outbreak. However, that doesn’t surprise scientists who have studied coronaviruses, nor doctors familiar with the bug that caused SARS.
Diarrhea occurred in about 10-20% of patients afflicted with severe acute respiratory syndrome about 17 years ago and was the source of an explosive SARS outbreak in the Amoy Gardens residential complex in Hong Kong.
Read more at: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-02-01/coronavirus-lurking-in-feces-may-reveal-hidden-risk-of-spread?utm_medium=social&cmpid=socialflow-twitter-business&utm_content=business&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=socialflow-organic&__twitter_impression=true (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-02-01/coronavirus-lurking-in-feces-may-reveal-hidden-risk-of-spread?utm_medium=social&cmpid=socialflow-twitter-business&utm_content=business&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=socialflow-organic&__twitter_impression=true)
As to what is true or not, the one guy was spewing blood, that was heart-wrenching and again, I wonder, is that for real??
I didn't know, Hong Kong had a Disneyland, pretty cool.
(https://assets.bwbx.io/images/users/iqjWHBFdfxIU/itlaOlwueAig/v0/-1x-1.jpg)
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-01-31/the-global-economy-is-getting-infected-by-the-virus (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-01-31/the-global-economy-is-getting-infected-by-the-virus)
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@Gefn
@Cyber Liberty
@roamer_1
@corbe
@mystery-ak
As of today, Feb. 1, 2020
China: Estimate sick in China: 75,000.
China: 60 million in lockdown in their homes. One person can leave house every two days to obtain food.
USA: 7 confirmed: The first case in US was confirmed by finding the virus in a loose stool of patient.
China again based on loose stool test in US; China has many squat latrines so people can catch the virus from the stools of others left in the latrine.
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@Gefn
@Cyber Liberty
@roamer_1
@corbe
@mystery-ak
As of today, Feb. 1, 2020
China: Estimate sick in China: 75,000.
China: 60 million in lockdown in their homes. One person can leave house every two days to obtain food.
USA: 7 confirmed: The first case in US was confirmed by finding the virus in a loose stool of patient.
China again based on loose stool test in US; China has many squat latrines so people can catch the virus from the stools of others left in the latrine.
I perceive a problem with the bolded part: Doesn't that concentrate people at the grocers?
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I perceive a problem with the bolded part: Doesn't that concentrate people at the grocers?
@Cyber Liberty
Yes, it does, but it also means only one person from a family will be outside. That keeps millions off the streets and not in the grocery stores so there is less people in the stores. Now, if that one person outside the home brings the virus home from the people in the store, they likely all die. How does one keep every single person in a house?
JUST SAW ON TV, ONE PERSON HAS TESTED POSITIVE FOR THE VIRUS IN Massachusetts.
So, US now has 8 confirmed. This Boston man was in affected area in China.
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Do Putinistas and the like, ever know what the Russians actually say about us? This isn't a problem here, at some other places, yes. How can people still embrace the Russian view ever?
Excerpted:
Russian propaganda’s “conspiratorial†virus: disinformation review
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. For the pro-Kremlin media, the coronavirus is beginning to look like a disinformation gold-mine.
“It’s an American weapon of mass destruction, aimed against China, coming from one of the US military labs that surround Russia and China, for the benefit of Big Pharma and American corporations,†the pro-Kremlin disinformation machine follows its usual outlandish yet familiar logic. After all, one of the most famous and successful examples of Soviet disinformation was the HIV hoax planted by the KGB in the 1980s, which claimed that the HIV virus was created by the CIA as a biological weapon.
More recently, in 2016, pro-Kremlin outlets alleged that the Zika virus was owned by American and British corporations. Cancer, syphilis, and Spanish flu have also been labeled American biological weapons. Ukraine has been accused of spreading Ebola on behalf of the US military among pro-Russian separatists. And the narrative about secret US military labs in Russia’s neighborhood spreading all sorts of diseases is so prevalent that around 20% of Georgians believe it to be true in the case of the Lugar Lab in Tbilisi. (It is not).
More at: http://euromaidanpress.com/2020/01/30/russian-propagandas-conspiratorial-virus-disinformation-review/ (http://euromaidanpress.com/2020/01/30/russian-propagandas-conspiratorial-virus-disinformation-review/)
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@Cyber Liberty
Yes, it does, but it also means only one person from a family will be outside. That keeps millions off the streets and not in the grocery stores so there is less people in the stores. Now, if that one person outside the home brings the virus home from the people in the store, they likely all die. How does one keep every single person in a house?
If I still lived in Chandler, I'd have my groceries delivered. Here, I can do the next-best thing: Curbside pickup.
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See links for videos: https://twitter.com/sotiridi
Sotiri Dimpinoudis
@sotiridi
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2m
And there has been one first case of a person falling to the ground in Hong Kong at a station.
#CoronaVirus #HongKong #China #Shengzen
Sotiri Dimpinoudis
@sotiridi
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And the Situation is very hostile towards people not wearing a face mask in public, here you see a crowd of face wearing mask people harassing a person without a face mask.
#coronavirus #China #Hubei #Wuhan
Szechuan province, the people found out about a neighbor who went to the flu zones undetected, contracted it, brought it back and the neighbors were protesting out side the person's house, the police were there.
Same gal in the white furry coat here. I would wear a mask but I've read articles that they are of limited benefit.
Sotiri Dimpinoudis
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And another video footage confirming that police officers in #China are arresting people who do not wear face mask in public, here in this CCTV video you see them arresting a women.
#CoronaVirus #Hubei #Wuhan
More at link: https://twitter.com/sotiridi
I'd just wear a mask. It seems convincing to me that they do help some.
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If I still lived in Chandler, I'd have my groceries delivered. Here, I can do the next-best thing: Curbside pickup.
Well -- this is where having a stockpile of dehydrated food, water, bandages, masks, rubber gloves, etc., comes in handy. My only concern is prescription drugs -- normally insurance companies won't let you purchase in advance.
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@Victoria33
And all others, do you think masks help much? I think it is a viable consideration and helpful but a bit limited per some experts.
I'd wear a mask and speaking of gloves, maybe I will go see about getting a box of disposable gloves, you never know.
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First case of coronavirus confirmed in Massachusetts: DPH
State health officials announced today that a man in his 20s returning to Boston from Wuhan, China, is the first confirmed case of the potentially deadly novel coronavirus in Massachusetts.
Wuhan is the epicenter of the virus that has triggered a global emergency declaration from the World Health Organization and a public health emergency here in the U.S. The man is the eighth case of the coronavirus in the U.S., according to the CDC.
The ill man has been “isolated,†state health officials said Saturday, and his “close contacts†have been identified and are also being monitored.
https://www.bostonherald.com/2020/02/01/first-case-of-coronavirus-confirmed-in-massachusetts-dph/ (https://www.bostonherald.com/2020/02/01/first-case-of-coronavirus-confirmed-in-massachusetts-dph/)
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Apparently, a campaign is out telling people who is most susceptible to this:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EPttJTvUYAABNal?format=jpg&name=small)
There are a few of these:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EPtpAUoXUAA6v_E?format=jpg&name=small)
4%, maybe even only 2% fatality rate is nothing to sneer at but some people are pointing out more facts about the matter.
Ambrose gimme.eth
@AmbroseLerma
Friend went out to buy some masks for him and his family. Sent me this... Home Depot in #Texas #coronoravirus
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EPtmP6VXUAAE8ud?format=jpg&name=small)
https://twitter.com/AmbroseLerma/status/1223684156007337986
CGTN
@CGTNOfficial
The spread of the coronavirus is sparking racism and xenophobia among some people.
https://twitter.com/CGTNOfficial/status/1223394227142479873
Amazingly, there have been a few so-called cases of Xenophobia.
#coronavirus for more info.
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Apparently, a campaign is out telling people who is most susceptible to this:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EPttJTvUYAABNal?format=jpg&name=small)
4% fatality rate is nothing to sneer at but some people are pointing out more facts about the matter.
Amazingly, there have been a few so-called cases of Xenophobia.
#coronavirus for more info.
It should come as no surprise there is heightened "fear" of foreigners with this Coronavirus business. I wouldn't call it an "irrational fear," it's perfectly rational and reasonable.
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If I still lived in Chandler, I'd have my groceries delivered. Here, I can do the next-best thing: Curbside pickup.
That depends on how long the virus can live outside the body and how long grocery stores have something to sell.
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@Victoria33
And all others, do you think masks help much? I think it is a viable consideration and helpful but a bit limited per some experts.
I'd wear a mask and speaking of gloves, maybe I will go see about getting a box of disposable gloves, you never know.
There are a couple different types of masks -- the N95 grade and antiviral face masks. The Antiviral face masks that I have claim to inactivate 99.99% of flu viruses tested -- including swine flue & bird flu. Thanks for this question as I just noticed that the masks that I have, have an expiry date and they've expired. However -- IMHO -- any mask to help shield you from inhaling someone else's germs is better than nothing.
Just a note: Amazon is sold OUT of the antiviral face masks and I checked inventory of my local drug stores -- sold OUT as well. Hopefully mine that have expired will still be ok. They are 3 years expired :(
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There are a couple different types of masks -- the N95 grade and antiviral face masks. The Antiviral face masks that I have claim to inactivate 99.99% of flu viruses tested -- including swine flue & bird flu. Thanks for this question as I just noticed that the masks that I have, have an expiry date and they've expired. However -- IMHO -- any mask to help shield you from inhaling someone else's germs is better than nothing.
Thanks @libertybele , your information is very helpful. In the past, I saw people use those masks some even with the normal flue.
Biorxiv (where the paper claiming the "Uncanny Similarity to HIV" was found) is a preprint server for uploading finished manuscripts, before (or during) the process of submitting them to a journal for publication. It is not peer reviewed and there seems to be but only very basic screening and a check against plagiarism (in other words, does it follow the basic outline of a scientific paper and ensuring it is not a word for word copy of another paper). That doesn't mean everything posted there is garbage, but also doesn’t mean everything posted there is valid.
https://www.researchgate.net/post/What_is_biorxiv_And_what_do_people_use_it_for (https://www.researchgate.net/post/What_is_biorxiv_And_what_do_people_use_it_for)
Criticisms in the comment section of the Biorxiv paper – “Uncanny similarity of unique inserts in the 2019-nCoV spike protein to HIV-1 gp120 and Gagâ€:
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.30.927871v1.article-info (https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.30.927871v1.article-info)
And something that jumped to me as well:
You did us a great favor @Neverdul with this information. Apparently, the claims are very weak. Almost even disinformation at this point. Invaluable input.
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That depends on how long the virus can live outside the body and how long grocery stores have something to sell.
There is the concern about the stores being stripped, like before a Hurricane or blizzard. That's when the freeze-dried stuff comes in. If the grocery store's supply chain stays functional, and I don't see why it wouldn't at the infection rate we're seeing, then everybody's golden. This applies only to first world countries.
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Thanks @libertybele , your information is very helpful. In the past, I saw people use those masks some even with the normal flue.
You did us a great favor @Neverdul with this information. Apparently, the claims are very weak. Almost even disinformation at this point. Invaluable input.
Be Prepared .com, drug stores, Amazon, Cheaper than Dirt ... ALL are SOLD OUT!
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Well -- this is where having a stockpile of dehydrated food, water, bandages, masks, rubber gloves, etc., comes in handy. My only concern is prescription drugs -- normally insurance companies won't let you purchase in advance.
@libertybele
I found something out about that...
I get my meds over to the Walgreens... And I signed up to do refill by text. Somehow, if you reply immediately to the refill request, the prescription(s) is maximized by 5 or so hits per month... over time, I am actually getting ahead. I am sitting on close to 60 days worth right now.
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There is the concern about the stores being stripped, like before a Hurricane or blizzard. That's when the freeze-dried stuff comes in. If the grocery store's supply chain stays functional, and I don't see why it wouldn't at the infection rate we're seeing, then everybody's golden. This applies only to first world countries.
As for food -- think about how many fruits and vegetable are shipped in from outside the country -- that food could easily be contaminated. The dehydrated food last nearly 20 years -- I certainly would encourage people to have enough food and water on hand for at least a month. Beprepared.com from experience tastes pretty decent.
I think there's more concern here in the U.S. than they are letting on, in addition to declaring a public health emergency, the Pentagon right now is prepping housing for 1,000 people that they quarantine.
Again the concern is that the incubation period is so long. Think of how many people you encounter in a 2 week period...and how many each of those people encounter.
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Be Prepared .com, drug stores, Amazon, Cheaper than Dirt ... ALL are SOLD OUT!
Too late, once the 'crisis' is upon you...
I'm sitting pretty. I don't HAVE to go to town for months... Meat is a little low... But I am sure I could stick it out till early summer anyway... Which,fishing season opens up before that. And garden greens will be coming on... So yeah, even past early summer.
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Too late, once the 'crisis' is upon you...
I'm sitting pretty. I don't HAVE to go to town for months... Meat is a little low... But I am sure I could stick it out till early summer anyway... Which,fishing season opens up before that. And garden greens will be coming on... So yeah, even past early summer.
The crisis is already here. Masks are sold out. Just went to BePrepared.com and they are already sold out of their one month and 3 month supply dehydrated food combo kits -- most affordable way. They still have individual cans --- however-- how long they will last is unknown and how long till they can ship is another variable. In a non-state of emergency it's taken over a week to get their shipment and that was well over 5 years ago.
We've got enough for the two of us and our daughter (she's stubborn though) -- to last us a couple of months. I need to stock on water. I've got a decent supply of paper towels and toilet paper, sanitizing wipes, bathing wipes, etc. Probably need to pick up more though -- along with garbage bags and bleach. Propane to distill water just in case.
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As for food -- think about how many fruits and vegetable are shipped in from outside the country -- that food could easily be contaminated. The dehydrated food last nearly 20 years -- I certainly would encourage people to have enough food and water on hand for at least a month. Beprepared.com from experience tastes pretty decent.
I think there's more concern here in the U.S. than they are letting on, in addition to declaring a public health emergency, the Pentagon right now is prepping housing for 1,000 people that they quarantine.
Again the concern is that the incubation period is so long. Think of how many people you encounter in a 2 week period...and how many each of those people encounter.
I haven't found any information on how long this virus can survive outside the body. That determines if deliveries and/or imports are problematic or not.
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As for food -- think about how many fruits and vegetable are shipped in from outside the country -- that food could easily be contaminated. The dehydrated food last nearly 20 years -- I certainly would encourage people to have enough food and water on hand for at least a month. Beprepared.com from experience tastes pretty decent.
No time like a crisis to preach it... REDNECK 101. Put up plenty. The day WILL come that you need it.
Just case goods... You can go a long, long way on canned food. Sure it's better to grow and put up your own, but cans will do. Just buy a case of something every month till you have a stocked up pantry... And then keep it there by buying more of what you use, and putting it to the back of the stack... that's called rotating. It's the same thing you do now, except with a monster buffer.
You should be able to go a year... but three months at a very least minimum... And that ain't 'prepping', that's just living.
Shoot, I could probably go a month on canned chili alone.
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Beprepared.com from experience tastes pretty decent.
And btw... I still have a butt-ton of Mountain House from when I was actively in the woods... But I am switching out my freeze-dried to Thrive Life... It ain't meals, it's pantry tins of single ingredients. Everything from freeze dried butter and cheese to meat, veggies, and fruits. Then you can make whatever you want, without all the preservatives and additives.
https://www.thrivelife.com/shop (https://www.thrivelife.com/shop)
And the best part is, I am making BETTER food than I have in Mountain House, and around half the money per serving... Check it out.
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No time like a crisis to preach it... REDNECK 101. Put up plenty. The day WILL come that you need it.
Just case goods... You can go a long, long way on canned food. Sure it's better to grow and put up your own, but cans will do. Just buy a case of something every month till you have a stocked up pantry... And then keep it there by buying more of what you use, and putting it to the back of the stack... that's called rotating. It's the same thing you do now, except with a monster buffer.
You should be able to go a year... but three months at a very least minimum... And that ain't 'prepping', that's just living.
Shoot, I could probably go a month on canned chili alone.
We downsized -- and for me the feature that I sold me on our new home was the extra large pantry --- (and standing room in our attic in case of flooding). I had to make sure that I had enough room to store my cans of dehydrated food and paper goods, etc. I've slacked recently though on the canned goods -- but I have plenty of room still to add more -- stocking up a bit on canned goods right now won't hurt. My hubby always shook his head when I went to the store and came back with stuff to keep up my stockpile --- hubby scoffed a couple of times in recent years at my obsession with maintaining stock -- well my bet is he won't be chucking at my "obsession" anymore.
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And btw... I still have a butt-ton of Mountain House from when I was actively in the woods... But I am switching out my freeze-dried to Thrive Life... It ain't meals, it's pantry tins of single ingredients. Everything from freeze dried butter and cheese to meat, veggies, and fruits. Then you can make whatever you want, without all the preservatives and additives.
https://www.thrivelife.com/shop (https://www.thrivelife.com/shop)
And the best part is, I am making BETTER food than I have in Mountain House, and around half the money per serving... Check it out.
Thanks, I'll check it out. The dehydrated food that I have has less preservatives than most. I bought a lot of just dehydrated meat, vegetables, and fruit without a lot of additives -- also dehydrated cheese and milk. The combos are what have additives but they are more convenient. I had a refrigerator in the old garage of MRE's but they expired so I pitched them when we moved -- been preparing for quite a while. I really need to think about using the dehydrated for awhile and start replacing with new -- but still have another 5 or 6 years on some -- 8-10 on most cans. We're set ok for a little while (I hope).
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We downsized -- and for me the feature that I sold me on our new home was the extra large pantry --- (and standing room in our attic in case of flooding). I had to make sure that I had enough room to store my cans of dehydrated food and paper goods, etc. I've slacked recently though on the canned goods -- but I have plenty of room still to add more -- stocking up a bit on canned goods right now won't hurt. My hubby always shook his head when I went to the store and came back with stuff to keep up my stockpile --- hubby scoffed a couple of times in recent years at my obsession with maintaining stock -- well my bet is he won't be chucking at my "obsession" anymore.
Hey. I have EVERY respect for a woman that can keep a pantry. Always did, but especially so now, as I have learned to keep the pantry on my own. Even with the help of some top-flight battle-axe farm gals, that was a huge learning curve for me. Learning the cooking was hard enough, but the inventorying of materials was another whole thing - And I am an inventory guy! Just really, really different... Kinda organic. It's gotta grow the way it does... and not predictably.
Don't let anybody tell you otherwise. Keeping a household is a massive and complicated thing.
*RESPECT*
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Hey. I have EVERY respect for a woman that can keep a pantry. Always did, but especially so now, as I have learned to keep the pantry on my own. Even with the help of some top-flight battle-axe farm gals, that was a huge learning curve for me. Learning the cooking was hard enough, but the inventorying of materials was another whole thing - And I am an inventory guy! Just really, really different... Kinda organic. It's gotta grow the way it does... and not predictably.
Don't let anybody tell you otherwise. Keeping a household is a massive and complicated thing.
*RESPECT*
Thank you.
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I really need to think about using the dehydrated for awhile and start replacing with new -- but still have another 5 or 6 years on some -- 8-10 on most cans. We're set ok for a little while (I hope).
That's what I am doing now... I put it in rotation, and try to do something with it once or twice a week - Not just to get it rotating, but also to work up recipes. My main point is to use it for camp fare, like I did the Mountain House, prepackaging meals for that purpose... The prepping angle is just a bonus. :D
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@DB your input is very valuable too, insightful.
In fact, @jafo2010. @roamer_1. , really at everyone, your input and EXPERIENCE is helpful.
I am out of my area of knowledge on this.
Much obliged.
Important topic.
@Victoria33
@berdie
@Gefn
@Quix
@mystery-ak
@Free Vulcan
@Cyber Liberty
@bigheadfred
Yes, thanks to all and a good note, QUIX about that colloidal silver, I have used that, little spray bottle for the nose.
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NYC’s First Possible Coronavirus Patient Tested at Manhattan Hospital
A person living in New York City is being tested for coronavirus at Bellevue Hospital in Manhattan, according to the health officials.
The New York City Department of Health reported the city's first case on Saturday. The patient, under 40, recently traveled to the area from China and "presented with fever and cough or shortness of breath without another common cause, like influenza and other cold viruses," the department said.
The department said testing takes a minimum of 36-48 hours, depending on CDC capacity.
“An individual with a travel history to China felt unwell and sought help from a medical provider who promptly contacted the Health Department. This is exactly what we prepared for and we thank everyone for taking all the right steps,†said Health Commissioner Dr. Oxiris Barbot.
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/nycs-first-possible-coronavirus-patient-tested-at-manhattan-hospital/2275229/ (https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/nycs-first-possible-coronavirus-patient-tested-at-manhattan-hospital/2275229/)
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@DB your input is very valuable too, insightful.
In fact, @jafo2010. @roamer_1. , really at everyone, your input and EXPERIENCE is helpful.
I am out of my area of knowledge on this.
Much obliged.
Important topic.
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Well...time for me to get the hell out of Colorado. I wonder if there's a way I can make my retirement date happen sooner?
Esper approves DoD housing for US coronavirus quarantine after eighth case confirmed
Military installations in Colorado, California and Texas were selected to house the evacuees and will help to assist the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) with the operation, if needed. They are the 168th Regiment Regional Training Institute in Fort Carson, Colo.; Travis Air Force Base in California; Lackland Air Force Base in Texas and Marine Corps Air Station Miramar in California.
https://www.foxnews.com/health/coronavirus-cdc-seventh-case-us (https://www.foxnews.com/health/coronavirus-cdc-seventh-case-us)
I'm at Ft. Carson!
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I haven't found any information on how long this virus can survive outside the body. That determines if deliveries and/or imports are problematic or not.
From my understanding this is a different strain of the virus -- others strains were from animals to human. I believe at first they stated that it came from fish -- now there are reports that it is bio engineered. Human to human contact is what it is spreading so rapidly. I read that some viruses can last up to two days on things like shipping containers, envelopes, door handles,etc.
Just think of all the goods that the U.S. imports from China. We are going to be the last to know if this virus has a long survival rate outside the body.
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Well...time for me to get the hell out of Colorado. I wonder if there's a way I can make my retirement date happen sooner?
Esper approves DoD housing for US coronavirus quarantine after eighth case confirmed
https://www.foxnews.com/health/coronavirus-cdc-seventh-case-us (https://www.foxnews.com/health/coronavirus-cdc-seventh-case-us)
I'm at Ft. Carson!
Oh boy.
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I'm at Ft. Carson!
**nononono* :0001:
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Face Masks: What Doctors Say About Their Role In Containing Coronavirus (https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/01/29/800531753/face-masks-what-doctors-say-about-their-role-in-containing-coronavirus?utm_source=pocket-newtab)
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Well...time for me to get the hell out of Colorado. I wonder if there's a way I can make my retirement date happen sooner?
Esper approves DoD housing for US coronavirus quarantine after eighth case confirmed
https://www.foxnews.com/health/coronavirus-cdc-seventh-case-us (https://www.foxnews.com/health/coronavirus-cdc-seventh-case-us)
I'm at Ft. Carson!
I hope they chose Ft. Carson because it has isolation facilities?
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I hope they chose Ft. Carson because it has isolation facilities?
Nope. I wish that was the case.
They are going to use the Regional Training Center here on Carson if we get any of the people needing quarantine. It's a pretty good sized building that run jointly by Active Duty, Reserve and National Guard soldiers. It's where they teach the basic leadership courses on post.
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WRT masks:
In the summer time, when fire season is on, and the valley fills with smoke, as a painter it gets hard to buy a mask... But the paint companies are usually the last place folks think to look... So if you are worried, try your local Sherwin-Williams or the like... In such times if they are running low, they are likely to hold back some for actual painters (not selling out their stock to the public) so they can continue to work... So even if you can't find any, if you have a friend that is a painter he will likely be able to get at em.
As to proper use, when spraying particularly nasty stuff, skid a little vaseline around the edge of the mask to assure a good fit - the same would apply in this case.
I don't know if it works for critters, but with particularly acrid fumes, you can pack vaseline in your eyes to stop the sting... might be better than nothing. :shrug:
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WRT masks:
In the summer time, when fire season is on, and the valley fills with smoke, as a painter it gets hard to buy a mask... But the paint companies are usually the last place folks think to look... So if you are worried, try your local Sherwin-Williams or the like... In such times if they are running low, they are likely to hold back some for actual painters (not selling out their stock to the public) so they can continue to work... So even if you can't find any, if you have a friend that is a painter he will likely be able to get at em.
As to proper use, when spraying particularly nasty stuff, skid a little vaseline around the edge of the mask to assure a good fit - the same would apply in this case.
I don't know if it works for critters, but with particularly acrid fumes, you can pack vaseline in your eyes to stop the sting... might be better than nothing. :shrug:
The thing with the masks is, nobody expects them to filter out teeny tiny little viruses, but they're great for trapping the airborne spittle that carries the viri.
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The thing with the masks is, nobody expects them to filter out teeny tiny little viruses, but they're great for trapping the airborne spittle that carries the viri.
Yeah.. in that regard, a paper mask, or a bandana, is better than nothing... but a full spectrum breathing system (mask) designed to trap not only particulates, but even fumes is pretty bulletproof.
and gloves - take em off to touch your face and such - and leave them on for operating public handles and such... simple things to cut down exposure have to be better than nothing... :shrug:
I'll just stay out of town for a while and be just fine.
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Yeah.. in that regard, a paper mask, or a bandana, is better than nothing... but a full spectrum breathing system (mask) designed to trap not only particulates, but even fumes is pretty bulletproof.
and gloves - take em off to touch your face and such - and leave them on for operating public handles and such... simple things to cut down exposure have to be better than nothing... :shrug:
I'll just stay out of town for a while and be just fine.
I'm not concerned either, living on the edge of a little town. And we started curbside pickup at Walmart months ago because it's way easier than trudging through the Big Box, at no extra cost. I just did a quick check at Amazon, they still have plenty of Mountain House, but the really good ones, like Lasagna, got really expensive. What was a $42 box of pouches is now about $70. The granola is still dirt cheap.
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This is one of those times where I'm glad I own a military issued gas mask.
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I'm not concerned either, living on the edge of a little town. And we started curbside pickup at Walmart months ago because it's way easier than trudging through the Big Box, at no extra cost. I just did a quick check at Amazon, they still have plenty of Mountain House, but the really good ones, like Lasagna, got really expensive. What was a $42 box of pouches is now about $70. The granola is still dirt cheap.
Yeah... I think I would stock up now on that home delivery thing... can't trust the produce or packaging surfaces after the thing gets widespread... Get a good stock laid up while you can. A few hundred bucks in canned and frozen goods might be nice to have if you have to hunker down... and you'll use it up anyhow either way.
I do that different than most y'all, only going to town once a month or so anyway... Maybe one more time for produce and deli... I hear most folks nowadays only stock a few days or a week at most. That is a whole lot more exposure. It is likely this thing won't get to rural folks at all. They'll just not go in, and rely on stores at home... Like I will do if it actually becomes a thing.
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This is one of those times where I'm glad I own a military issued gas mask.
Will they let you wear it? (Really, I don't think you are going to need it, but what do I know?)
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Will they let you wear it? (Really, I don't think you are going to need it, but what do I know?)
I don't think I am either. If it gets to that point...it's probably too late anyway.
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Yeah... I think I would stock up now on that home delivery thing... can't trust the produce or packaging surfaces after the thing gets widespread... Get a good stock laid up while you can. A few hundred bucks in canned and frozen goods might be nice to have if you have to hunker down... and you'll use it up anyhow either way.
I do that different than most y'all, only going to town once a month or so anyway... Maybe one more time for produce and deli... I hear most folks nowadays only stock a few days or a week at most. That is a whole lot more exposure. It is likely this thing won't get to rural folks at all. They'll just not go in, and rely on stores at home... Like I will do if it actually becomes a thing.
The thing about this particular doomsday scenario, it's likely things like electricity still work, with all the goodies that go with it...like the ability to eat a couple of steaks a week for months because of a couple good-sized sub-zero freezers. If I had to worry about electricity it would be a different ballgame here in the short term.
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I don't think I am either. If it gets to that point...it's probably too late anyway.
If it gets to that point, you will be pushed out of the way by people in yellow plastic suits.
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If it gets to that point, you will be pushed out of the way by people in yellow plastic suits.
Oh, that's when @roamer_1 and I block the ends of our driveways....
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Oh, that's when @roamer_1 and I block the ends of our driveways....
Stuff like this sure makes me wish I was back at my house in Kentucky instead of here.
Like you and @roamer_1 I have a defense plan for the castle. Not so much at the place I stay on base
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@TomSea
@roamer_1
This is why I wrote the book noted at the bottom of this post. Two of us can live for over a year without going outside, except for our own backyard, and have fresh water, food, medicine, heating, cooling, light, etc..
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I'm not concerned either, living on the edge of a little town. And we started curbside pickup at Walmart months ago because it's way easier than trudging through the Big Box, at no extra cost. I just did a quick check at Amazon, they still have plenty of Mountain House, but the really good ones, like Lasagna, got really expensive. What was a $42 box of pouches is now about $70. The granola is still dirt cheap.
Emergency Essentials is a good brand --They still have some stock available on Individual #10 cans. The prices are pretty decent. They are currently out of stock on all their 1 month (other variety avail in 1 month), 3 month, 6 month and 1 year supply of #10 cans of dehydrated food.
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The thing about this particular doomsday scenario, it's likely things like electricity still work, with all the goodies that go with it...like the ability to eat a couple of steaks a week for months because of a couple good-sized sub-zero freezers. If I had to worry about electricity it would be a different ballgame here in the short term.
Yeah that's right... If there's something in the freezers... I am mostly canned, leaving the freezers for meat and bread and frozen fresh fruits primarily. That's my next thing to tackle too - I want to quite my reliance on freezers as much as possible.
When I got crippled back up this last time, I had to rely on my stores - being too gimped up to move much... The first thing I ran out of was meat, believe it or not. My stock was down some, having missed hunting season, and having ate more than half of the half-beef I usually stock... So less than a quarter beef, maybe a quarter venison, a little elk and moose.. but I was out of freezer stock pretty quick, and canned meats went like a flash. Since then, I have altered my inventory, buying heavier to canned meats and prepared canned meats (stews, chili, etc), ad changed my diet to include more of same to keep a larger quantity rotating...
Now, between canned tuna, salmon, beef, and chicken alone there must be 60 days worth, not touching canned chili, spaghetti sauce, stew, soups, hash, and such... And the freezer is good - I have an elk hind quarter, most of a deer, and at least a quarter beef in there right now.
Half way through winter, but I still have plenty of produce and fruit racked up to last me well into summer, maybe even fall... Though it would start getting inventive sometime after spring.
If I couldn't go to the store it would suck a little bit - no ice cream, tater chips and the like... no fresh produce... but I could get by a very long time eating dang good.
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Yeah that's right... If there's something in the freezers... I am mostly canned, leaving the freezers for meat and bread and frozen fresh fruits primarily. That's my next thing to tackle too - I want to quite my reliance on freezers as much as possible.
When I got crippled back up this last time, I had to rely on my stores - being too gimped up to move much... The first thing I ran out of was meat, believe it or not. My stock was down some, having missed hunting season, and having ate more than half of the half-beef I usually stock... So less than a quarter beef, maybe a quarter venison, a little elk and moose.. but I was out of freezer stock pretty quick, and canned meats went like a flash. Since then, I have altered my inventory, buying heavier to canned meats and prepared canned meats (stews, chili, etc), ad changed my diet to include more of same to keep a larger quantity rotating...
Now, between canned tuna, salmon, beef, and chicken alone there must be 60 days worth, not touching canned chili, spaghetti sauce, stew, soups, hash, and such... And the freezer is good - I have an elk hind quarter, most of a deer, and at least a quarter beef in there right now.
Half way through winter, but I still have plenty of produce and fruit racked up to last me well into summer, maybe even fall... Though it would start getting inventive sometime after spring.
If I couldn't go to the store it would suck a little bit - no ice cream, tater chips and the like... no fresh produce... but I could get by a very long time eating dang good.
You should still have a couple snow dumps coming...it's good to be behind a wall of fuel and provisions.
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@TomSea
@roamer_1
This is why I wrote the book noted at the bottom of this post. Two of us can live for over a year without going outside, except for our own backyard, and have fresh water, food, medicine, heating, cooling, light, etc..
OK, tonight one is free to talk about this and one may speak about this everyday hereafter, but let's everyone remember the main topic here is still the flu and we do have special areas already discussing survival skills and so on.
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OK, tonight one is free to talk about this and one may speak about this everyday hereafter, but let's everyone remember the main topic here is still the flu and we do have special areas already discussing survival skills and so on.
@TomSea
Yes, Tom, that is true. Am keeping touch with son in London and so far people there are not freaking out. If that changes due to cases there, will put it here.
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In my little town, it's like watching a riot in LA on TeeVee. Something interesting that's happening...over there somewhere. :shrug:
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The size of these cities are incredible to us here. I haven't known China's geography that well.
Wuhan is at least, 8 million and now, this other city that just got quarantined is in that same range.
And heck this picture is just of Taiwan who, at least, aren't at the epicenter.
(https://gdb.rferl.org/5B582D5D-87D7-4E2E-822A-C3CDEAB51609_w1023_s.jpg)
4 Amid fears of a coronavirus outbreak, Taiwanese commuters wear face masks as they ride motorbikes in Taipei. (epa-EFE/David Chang)
https://www.rferl.org/a/photos-week-5-top-shots/30400346.html (https://www.rferl.org/a/photos-week-5-top-shots/30400346.html)
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BREAKING: Philippines reports 1st death from new coronavirus, the first outside China
https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1223799064015392770 (https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1223799064015392770)
The first outside China. Wow.
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Coronavirus: Wuhan may be home to 75,815 infected, report says
Findings by scientists at Hong Kong University based on the assumption that each infected patient could have infected 2.68 others
Meanwhile, numbers of new infections and deaths set daily records
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/3048518/coronavirus-case-load-and-death-toll-china-rise-epicentre-hubei-province (https://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/3048518/coronavirus-case-load-and-death-toll-china-rise-epicentre-hubei-province)
Okay, but it seems to keep on expanding.
Oh, by the way, Senator Tom Cotton to discuss the coronavirus on Judge Jeannine tonight, if one missed his appearance, the show repeats at least one more time tonight. Check your listings.
It seems Cotton and others say, an effective vaccine can be developed but time is of the essence and as Cotton says, it has to be a "Manhattan Project effort".
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Okay, but it seems to keep on expanding.
Oh, by the way, Senator Tom Cotton to discuss the coronavirus on Judge Jeannine tonight, if one missed his appearance, the show repeats at least one more time tonight. Check your listings.
It seems Cotton and others say, an effective vaccine can be developed but time is of the essence and as Cotton says, it has to be a "Manhattan Project effort".
An effective vaccine would seem not very likely. CoV viruses mutate quickly. They're a moving target.
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I've read the tweets, papers, etc., by various highly credentialed + experienced PhDs, with specialties in pathogens and genetics and such that question the genome of this virus.
There are parts that have never been seen in a coronavirus, + some are diluted to only a 68% match, which is greater than the genetic difference between elephants + humans.
If that's true, I pray it was made in a lab, because if a wild virus can recombine that easily with another that far outside its genome, then it ain't gonna be good if it swaps spit with something far more deadly like a hemorrhagic.
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Cocktail of flu, HIV drugs appears to help fight coronavirus: Thai doctors
[Reuters]
By Panu Wongcha-um
,Reuters•February 2, 2020
By Panu Wongcha-um
BANGKOK (Reuters) - Thai doctors have seen success in treating severe cases of the new coronavirus with combination of medications for flu and HIV, with initial results showing vast improvement 48 hours after applying the treatment, they said on Sunday.
The doctors from Rajavithi Hospital in Bangkok said a new approach in coronavirus treatment had improved the condition of several patients under their care, including one 70-year-old Chinese woman from Wuhan who tested positive for the coronavirus for 10 days.
The drug treatment includes a mixture of anti-HIV drugs lopinavir and ritonavir, in combination with flu drug oseltamivir in large doses.
More: https://www.yahoo.com/news/cocktail-flu-hiv-drugs-appears-124753996.html (https://www.yahoo.com/news/cocktail-flu-hiv-drugs-appears-124753996.html)
If no one posted this, sounds promising. Obviously, these findings will need to be looked at further.
Just adding in, US troops returning from China, quarantined in South Korea:
https://thehill.com/policy/defense/481064-us-troops-who-recently-traveled-to-china-quarantined-in-south-korea (https://thehill.com/policy/defense/481064-us-troops-who-recently-traveled-to-china-quarantined-in-south-korea)
https://www.businessinsider.com/us-troops-in-south-korea-face-possible-wuhan-coronavirus-quarantine-2020-2 (https://www.businessinsider.com/us-troops-in-south-korea-face-possible-wuhan-coronavirus-quarantine-2020-2)
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Philippines reports world’s 1st virus death outside China
BEIJING (AP) — The first death outside China from the new coronavirus was recorded Sunday in the Philippines, as countries around the world evacuated hundreds of their citizens from the infection zone and Chinese authorities completed a new, rapidly constructed 1,000-bed hospital for victims of the outbreak.
Chinese authorities also delayed the reopening of schools in the hardest-hit province and tightened the quarantine in one city by allowing only one family member to venture out to buy supplies.
The Philippine Health Department said a 44-year-old Chinese man from Wuhan, the city at the center of the crisis, was hospitalized Jan. 25 with a fever, cough and sore throat and died after developing severe pneumonia. The man’s 38-year-old female companion, also from Wuhan, tested positive for the virus as well and remained hospitalized in isolation in Manila.
https://apnews.com/a493556d829f1d5689793dba4d81aa99
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Philippines reports world’s 1st virus death outside China
BEIJING (AP) — The first death outside China from the new coronavirus was recorded Sunday in the Philippines, as countries around the world evacuated hundreds of their citizens from the infection zone and Chinese authorities completed a new, rapidly constructed 1,000-bed hospital for victims of the outbreak.
Chinese authorities also delayed the reopening of schools in the hardest-hit province and tightened the quarantine in one city by allowing only one family member to venture out to buy supplies.
The Philippine Health Department said a 44-year-old Chinese man from Wuhan, the city at the center of the crisis, was hospitalized Jan. 25 with a fever, cough and sore throat and died after developing severe pneumonia. The man’s 38-year-old female companion, also from Wuhan, tested positive for the virus as well and remained hospitalized in isolation in Manila.
https://apnews.com/a493556d829f1d5689793dba4d81aa99
A 44 year old doesn't sound like a likely candidate for preexisting health conditions that would lead to death.
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Coronavirus live updates: Ninth US case confirmed in San Francisco Bay Area
This is a live blog. Please check back for updates.
All times in U.S. eastern standard time
The number of confirmed cases of the coronavirus worldwide is now 14,557, most of which are in China, according to World Health Organization (WHO) data. The death toll has risen to at least 304. A 44-year-old man in the Philippines died of the virus on Saturday, making him the first reported death outside of China. All territories and provinces in China have now been impacted by the virus.
5:00 pm: Santa Clara County reports ninth US case of coronavirus
The ninth U.S. case of coronavirus was confirmed in Santa Clara County on Sunday. It’s the second case in the San Francisco Bay area. The case is in a woman who was recently in Wuhan, China, and visited the U.S. to see family on Jan 23, according to the County of Santa Clara Public Health Department
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/02/coronavirus-live-updates-white-house-studying-economic-impact.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/02/coronavirus-live-updates-white-house-studying-economic-impact.html)
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/early-missteps-and-state-secrecy-in-china-probably-allowed-the-coronavirus-to-spread-farther-and-faster/ar-BBZya9o (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/early-missteps-and-state-secrecy-in-china-probably-allowed-the-coronavirus-to-spread-farther-and-faster/ar-BBZya9o)
This could well turn out to be China's Chernobyl.
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I heard that on the news somewhere, they were comparing this to Chernobyl.
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Pyongyang sends Beijing financial aid for outbreak
Feb 03,2020
North Korean leader Kim Jong-un has expressed support to Chinese President Xi Jinping over China’s efforts to stop the spread of a new strain of coronavirus that has killed 259 Chinese people and sickened more than 11,000.
On Saturday, the North’s official Korean Central News Agency (KCNA) said that Kim “conveyed his sincere feelings of wanting to share the suffering and trial of the fraternal Chinese people and to render help even a bit,†in a letter to Xi. Kim also sent “militant greetings†to the Chinese president and expressed the conviction that China would emerge victorious in its campaign to combat the deadly virus.
The virus - which was first reported in Wuhan on Dec. 31 - has spread to around 20 countries, including South Korea, the United States, Japan and Canada, prompting the World Health Organization to declare the coronavirus outbreak a global emergency.
Read more at: http://koreajoongangdaily.joins.com/news/article/article.aspx?aid=3073290 (http://koreajoongangdaily.joins.com/news/article/article.aspx?aid=3073290)
Real Time North Korea (https://twitter.com/BuckTurgidson79) , good source. He has a "flipboard" magazine too. I haven't gotten into flipboard too much.
He has posted since early this year, the North Korean New Year's Celebration from a month ago. I finally watched some of it tonight.
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=157&v=kgbdUEkxPXw&feature=emb_logo#)
Undoubtedly, NK is a bad place, time to start asking them to address human rights. Why trust someone like that in the slightest?
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Look who ratted out Zero Hedge. Buzzfeed if I read the article correctly.
Financial market website Zero Hedge is BANNED from Twitter after posting article linking a Chinese scientist to the deadly coronavirus outbreak
Zero Hedge's account was permanently suspended from Twitter for violating 'platform manipulation policy'
Account which had more than 670,000 followers as of Friday, said it received a notification accusing it of violating 'rules against abuse and harassment'
Zero Hedge said it initially thought the suspension was triggered by an article it published on Friday about the makeup of the coronavirus
But it said it later learned Twitter had received a complaint from online news website BuzzFeed over a separate article
BuzzFeed said the site had released personal information of a scientist in an article that alleged coronavirus was concocted 'as a bioweapon' c
By Associated Press
Published: 16:58 EST, 2 February 2020 | Updated: 17:43 EST, 2 February 2020
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The article was titled 'Is This The Man Behind The Global Coronavirus Pandemic?'.
A Buzzfeed news reporter writes that 'the scientist's name, photo, email, and a telephone number are being spread across American social media'.
See more at: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7958953/Zero-Hedge-banned-Twitter-posting-article-linked-scientist-coronavirus-outbreak.html?ito=social-twitter_dailymailus (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7958953/Zero-Hedge-banned-Twitter-posting-article-linked-scientist-coronavirus-outbreak.html?ito=social-twitter_dailymailus)
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Concern now of a pandemic. 11 cases so far in the U.S.
Experts worry about pandemic as coronavirus numbers increase: report
https://www.foxnews.com/health/experts-worry-about-pandemic-coronavirus-numbers-increase (https://www.foxnews.com/health/experts-worry-about-pandemic-coronavirus-numbers-increase)
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Look who ratted out Zero Hedge. Buzzfeed if I read the article correctly.
So, "Rent Seeking" is a thing in the Corporate world too....
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Typical Daily Mail, just because they say it doesn't mean it is so... but I'm sure there is nothing wrong with the reporting, imho. Just the way it is presented.
China's coronavirus DID come from bats: Scientists reveal the virus is 96% identical to one found in the animals and is almost the same as SARS as global death toll hits 362
Finding the animal source of the virus has been challenging so far
Scientists in Wuhan analysed samples taken from seven coronavirus patients
They found a 96% similarity in the virus DNA to a coronavirus in bats
This makes it the most 'probable source' - but this is yet to be confirmed
2019-nCoV is also 79.5% similar with SARS, which could help with vaccines
By Sam Blanchard Senior Health Reporter For Mailonline
Published: 03:57 EST, 3 February 2020 | Updated: 09:46 EST, 3 February 2020
ats are likely the cause of coronavirus from China after scientists find the virus is 96 per cent identical to one found in the animals.
The virus, which has killed 362 people so far, was believed to have transferred to humans from an animal, but identifying which one has been challenging.
More at: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-7960423/The-Latest-Shanghai-index-drops-8-virus-outbreak-grows.html?ito=social-twitter_mailonline (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-7960423/The-Latest-Shanghai-index-drops-8-virus-outbreak-grows.html?ito=social-twitter_mailonline)
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China says we are fanning the flames of fear but so are other nations:
But first:
Pakistan resumes flights to and from China, screens passengers for virus
Syed Raza Hassan, Charlotte Greenfield
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-pakistan-idUSKBN1ZX1RS (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-pakistan-idUSKBN1ZX1RS)
KARACHI/ISLAMABAD (Reuters) - Pakistan said on Monday it was resuming flights to and from China, three days after it suspended them because of the coronavirus outbreak in China.
Seoul National University Begins Segregating At Risk Chinese Students to Stop Coronavirus Spread
https://www.rokdrop.net/2020/02/seoul-national-university-begins-segregating-at-risk-chinese-students-to-stop-coronavirus-spread/ (https://www.rokdrop.net/2020/02/seoul-national-university-begins-segregating-at-risk-chinese-students-to-stop-coronavirus-spread/)
Picture of the Day: Empty Movie Theaters in Korea Due to Coronavirus Fears
(https://i2.wp.com/img0.yna.co.kr/photo/yna/YH/2020/02/01/PYH2020020106030032500_P4.jpg?w=640&ssl=1)
https://www.rokdrop.net/2020/02/picture-of-the-day-empty-movie-theaters-in-korea-due-to-coronavirus-fears/ (https://www.rokdrop.net/2020/02/picture-of-the-day-empty-movie-theaters-in-korea-due-to-coronavirus-fears/)
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In just a short period of time ---
China coronavirus cases now top 20,000, with 425 dead
BEIJING — The death toll in mainland China from the new type of virus has risen to 425, with the total number of cases now standing at 20,438, officials said Tuesday.
The new figures come after the country opened a new hospital built in 10 days, infused cash into tumbling financial markets and further restricted people’s movement in hopes of containing the rapidly spreading virus and its escalating impact. ...........
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/china-coronavirus-cases-now-top-20000-with-425-dead-2020-02-03?mod=home-page (https://www.marketwatch.com/story/china-coronavirus-cases-now-top-20000-with-425-dead-2020-02-03?mod=home-page)
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Gotta be more than just H2O. "Disenfectant" says the article.
Passengers sprayed with hoses on runway after flying from coronavirus epicentre
People disembarking from a plane that had flown from Wuhan in China to Batam in Indonesia were sprayed by hazmat suit wearing officials before being taken for two weeks of treatment
(https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article21421260.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/0_Indonesians-are-repatriated-from-China-They-have-just-landed-and-are-decontaminated-before-being.jpg)
More with video at: https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/passengers-sprayed-hoses-after-flying-21421289 (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/passengers-sprayed-hoses-after-flying-21421289)
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Gordon Chang: 'Overwhelmed' Chinese authorities are deliberately falsifying coronavirus death toll
...........""So really what we are having right now is, they are completely overwhelmed," he added. "They are not able to keep accurate statistics. So what we are witnessing is essentially a breakdown in government and keeping accurate statistics is a very minor part of their priorities right now."..............
.........."I can understand why they want to quarantine but remember, the Wuhan mayor said about 5 million people from his city left before the quarantine was imposed," he said. "Also right now the quarantine has aggravated a problem and that is [that] people can't get to hospitals, so they are at home...they are dying."
"They are infecting other people in their households because they are not, in a sense, quarantined from wives, husbands, brothers, sisters," he continued...............
............"It's not just Wuhan," he said. "Many Virologists think that [conditions in] Wuhan will be duplicated in cities like Shanghai, maybe even Beijing. Clearly there is fear everywhere throughout China right now." "This is only going to get worse," Chang concluded, adding the virus will likely not be contained until "April or May."..................
https://www.foxnews.com/media/china-falsifying-coronavirus-death-toll (https://www.foxnews.com/media/china-falsifying-coronavirus-death-toll)
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BNO Newsroom
@BNODesk
BREAKING: Macau, the world's biggest casino hub, to close gambling industry for at least half a month due to coronavirus - TDM
https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1224562144450097152 (https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1224562144450097152)
Hong Kong reports first coronavirus death as workers strike at hospitals
https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-02-04/coronavirus-first-hong-kong-death-workers-strike (https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-02-04/coronavirus-first-hong-kong-death-workers-strike)
Sotiri Dimpinoudis
@sotiridi
Also @AFP
reported that an exhibition centre was being converted into a field hospital in #Wuhan in #China.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EP7dxz6XkAIboFW?format=jpg&name=small)
3 of 5: Coronavirus: US says Beijing will allow its health experts into China to help combat outbreak
https://twitter.com/SCMPNews/status/1224479025747226626 (https://twitter.com/SCMPNews/status/1224479025747226626)
Now, this is one of the more alarmist kinds of tweets one sees, take it with a grain of salt. It could be sensationalist.
24/7 Crisis News LIVE
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#BREAKING: A staff member at a crematorium in #Wuhan says 10-15 vehicles arriving every day , each carrying 7-8 bodies died of coronavirus.
(That is about 100-125 a day only at ONE crematorium only in Wuhan)
#CoronavirusOutbreak #coronaviruse #coronavirus
(src: Jennifer zeng)
https://twitter.com/livecrisisnews/status/1224402423147569152 (https://twitter.com/livecrisisnews/status/1224402423147569152)
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Dispelling Some Common Myths About Coronavirus
The risk of contracting the disease in the US is fairly low, medical experts say
By Nia Hamm and Jake Levin
Published 35 mins ago • Updated 34 mins ago Doctors in Massachusetts say that a lot of people who are coming in with concerns about the coronavirus are basing their worries on myths.
The coronavirus cannot be contracted simply by being in a crowded place, according to doctors NBC10 Boston spoke with. Despite the concern, doctors insist that the threat to the public remains low in the United States -- especially compared to other respiratory illnesses like the flu. Face masks won't really prevent you from contracting a respiratory virus either, doctors have said.
However, one symptom to watch out for when it comes to the coronavirus is a persistent, high fever, especially if it goes away and then comes back. ...
Full story at WBTS, Boston (https://www.nbcboston.com/home/dispelling-some-common-myths-about-the-coronavirus/2071698/)
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Censorship on Coronavirus Imperils Public Safety, States Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS)
Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS)
Feb 03, 2020, 13:19 ET
The number of confirmed cases of coronavirus (2019-nCoV) has reached 17,489, with 362 deaths, as of the morning of Feb 3, according to the interactive map provided by Johns Hopkins CSSE (Center for Systems Science and Engineering). But Jane Orient, M.D., executive director of the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS), asks: "Would China have locked down more than 17 cities for only 362 deaths?" ...
Although timely information is critical to allow people to protect themselves, some in the U.S. apparently favor imitating China's Great Firewall, the most sophisticated internet censorship operation in the world, suggests Dr. Orient. According to ABC News, Facebook, Twitter, and Google are taking steps to "stop the spread of coronavirus conspiracy theories." Facebook's head of health Kang-Xing Jin stated in a blogpost that it has "a third-party team of fact-checkers reviewing content related to the virus," so that Facebook can limit the spread of what it deems false information.
The dominant internet service providers are also suppressing any information they deem to be "anti-vaccination," such as reports of adverse effects. AAPS has filed a lawsuit against Rep. Adam Schiff for abuse of government power to pressure these corporations to hinder dissemination of material he believes inappropriate. ... Rest of article (https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/censorship-on-coronavirus-imperils-public-safety-states-association-of-american-physicians-and-surgeons-aaps-300997830.html)
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There's a Twitter site dedicated to keeping up with coronavirus news: https://twitter.com/nCoVtracker
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It hasn't even really made a mark on Shanghai yet, population 24 million plus.
Dramatic images show how Shanghai has turned into a 'ghost town' amid coronavirus outbreak
[Yahoo News UK] James MorrisSenior news reporter, Yahoo News UK ,Yahoo News UK•January 27, 2020
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Meanwhile, “everywhere smells like disinfectant,†she said.
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Shanghai: 'It's an absolute ghost town' (Molly Holt)
More at: https://news.yahoo.com/shanghai-ghost-town-coronavirus-130527456.html (https://news.yahoo.com/shanghai-ghost-town-coronavirus-130527456.html)
Shanghai Jewish community donates masks for the city's elderly
https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1178369.shtml (https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1178369.shtml)
World
Chinese city lockdown approaches Shanghai
(https://newsinfo.inquirer.net/files/2020/02/000_1OO60O-768x512.jpg)
A man wears a face mask as he walks on a street in Beijing on February 4, 2020. – The number of total infections in China’s coronavirus outbreak has passed 20,400 nationwide with 3,235 new cases confirmed, the National Health Commission said on February 4. (Photo by GREG BAKER / AFP)
https://newsinfo.inquirer.net/1224180/chinese-city-lockdown-approaches-shanghai (https://newsinfo.inquirer.net/1224180/chinese-city-lockdown-approaches-shanghai)
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There's a Twitter site dedicated to keeping up with coronavirus news: https://twitter.com/nCoVtracker
Thanks, added it on. This Jennfer Zeng who they retweet (RT), I've already noted her tweets on this topic. That's spooky stuff.
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Censorship on Coronavirus Imperils Public Safety, States Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS)
Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS)
Feb 03, 2020, 13:19 ET
The number of confirmed cases of coronavirus (2019-nCoV) has reached 17,489, with 362 deaths, as of the morning of Feb 3, according to the interactive map provided by Johns Hopkins CSSE (Center for Systems Science and Engineering). But Jane Orient, M.D., executive director of the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS), asks: "Would China have locked down more than 17 cities for only 362 deaths?" ...
Although timely information is critical to allow people to protect themselves, some in the U.S. apparently favor imitating China's Great Firewall, the most sophisticated internet censorship operation in the world, suggests Dr. Orient. According to ABC News, Facebook, Twitter, and Google are taking steps to "stop the spread of coronavirus conspiracy theories." Facebook's head of health Kang-Xing Jin stated in a blogpost that it has "a third-party team of fact-checkers reviewing content related to the virus," so that Facebook can limit the spread of what it deems false information.
The dominant internet service providers are also suppressing any information they deem to be "anti-vaccination," such as reports of adverse effects. AAPS has filed a lawsuit against Rep. Adam Schiff for abuse of government power to pressure these corporations to hinder dissemination of material he believes inappropriate. ... Rest of article (https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/censorship-on-coronavirus-imperils-public-safety-states-association-of-american-physicians-and-surgeons-aaps-300997830.html)
"Would China have locked down more than 17 cities for only 362 deaths?"
The answer is no, they wouldn't. The flu kills far more each year. They are lying through their teeth on this. And the rest of the world's media is allowing the lies to go unchallenged.
Absolutely disgusting. And just another example of why the media can't be allowed to be the gate keepers of truth.
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China has criticized the US for banning flights from China and discouraging flights to China. Yet China has basically shut down major cities all over the country. The right hand seems not to know what the left hand is doing.
In better news:
https://pjmedia.com/trending/huge-doctors-in-thailand-report-a-coronavirus-treatment-breakthrough/ (https://pjmedia.com/trending/huge-doctors-in-thailand-report-a-coronavirus-treatment-breakthrough/)
HUGE: Doctors in Thailand Report a Coronavirus Treatment Breakthrough
Doctors at a Bangkok, Thailand, hospital say they've successfully halted the coronavirus in an elderly patient.
Doctors claim that a 70-year-old woman from Wuhan, China, the epicenter of the disease, was transferred to a Thai hospital, given a drug "cocktail" of HIV and flu medications, and within 48 hours, switched from testing positive to testing negative for the disease. The doctors practice at Rajavithi Hospital in Bangkok.
Hopefully this will improve the survival rate of those needing hospitalization.
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"Would China have locked down more than 17 cities for only 362 deaths?"
The answer is no, they wouldn't. The flu kills far more each year. They are lying through their teeth on this. And the rest of the world's media is allowing the lies to go unchallenged.
Absolutely disgusting. And just another example of why the media can't be allowed to be the gate keepers of truth.
They did not do it for 362 deaths. They did it to prevent +100,000 deaths.
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Minister of Shadow Voting Poso @JackPosobiec
Dr Li Wenliang, 34, was one of the first to warn online of Wuhan coronavirus in late December
He was promptly arrested by Chinese police for "spreading rumors"
The CCP did not acknowledge the outbreak for a month
Now, Dr Li too has become infected
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2:19 PM · Feb 4, 2020
See also, from Washington Examiner, Coronavirus whistleblower punished for 'spreading rumors' now infected with disease (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/coronavirus-whistleblower-punished-for-spreading-rumors-now-infected-with-disease)
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Coronavirus: Window of opportunity to act, World Health Organization says
The World Health Organization (WHO) says there is a "window of opportunity" to stop the deadly new coronavirus becoming a broader global crisis.
Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said the steps taken by China to fight the virus at its epicentre were the best way of stopping its spread.
Meanwhile, China's envoy to the UN in Geneva told nations not to over-react.
Read more at: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51368873 (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51368873)
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They did not do it for 362 deaths. They did it to prevent +100,000 deaths.
My cousin who has lived in China up until a few months ago, just got his wife and children out of there in the last couple of weeks. He said his wife and kids were basically locked in their Beijing apartment for 3 weeks. His comments were that what's going on in China is MUCH worse than is being reported.
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My cousin who has lived in China up until a few months ago, just got his wife and children out of there in the last couple of weeks. He said his wife and kids were basically locked in their Beijing apartment for 3 weeks. His comments were that what's going on in China is MUCH worse than is being reported.
Thanks for the info -- I think most suspected that this was the case. The Chinese are notorious for under reporting their problems; unfortunately, it could turn out to be the World's problem.
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My daughter was to fly back to China in a couple of weeks, but she was informed this AM that her flight has been cancelled. The city she lives in, in central China, also has people staying in their homes, so her university's schedule is likely to be changed.
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My daughter was to fly back to China in a couple of weeks, but she was informed this AM that her flight has been cancelled. The city she lives in, in central China, also has people staying in their homes, so her university's schedule is likely to be changed.
I will keep her and all of the others in my prayers for their well-being.
@PeteS in CA
I know, you were talking about her, I tried to follow the story, I thought she was at home for the holidays OR was coming back soon from China.
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I will keep her and all of the others in my prayers for their well-being.
@PeteS in CA
I know, you were talking about her, I tried to follow the story, I thought she was at home for the holidays OR was coming back soon from China.
@TomSea, I appreciate your prayers! She is a university student in Xining. She moved there in 2014 and spent a couple of years learning Mandarin before starting at the university. She came here for a visit during the winter and New Year break, arriving just as news of the virus was emerging.
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I will keep her and all of the others in my prayers for their well-being.
@PeteS in CA
I know, you were talking about her, I tried to follow the story, I thought she was at home for the holidays OR was coming back soon from China.
@PeteS in CA I didn’t see this until now, but I’ll keep your family in my thoughts and prayers
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@PeteS in CA I didn’t see this until now, but I’ll keep your family in my thoughts and prayers
Yep, me, too.
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Russia's Putin proposes stripping pharmacy licences for raising anti-virus mask prices
MOSCOW (Reuters) - Russian President Vladimir Putin on Wednesday proposed stripping pharmacies of their licences if they raise prices for anti-virus masks amid the coronavirus outbreak.
Read more at: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-russia-masks/russias-putin-proposes-stripping-pharmacy-licences-for-raising-anti-virus-mask-prices-idUSKBN1ZZ1SG (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-russia-masks/russias-putin-proposes-stripping-pharmacy-licences-for-raising-anti-virus-mask-prices-idUSKBN1ZZ1SG)
I think I agree on this one... raising the price could happen here too.
Drudge Report has some stories up on this from the Daily Star.... I won't post those. They are hard to verify but they are out there.
Related (because Sen. Cotton seems to be a point man on this issue):
Tom Cotton
@SenTomCotton
CCP stooges are adopting tactics of the “woke†left in an attempt to shut down free speech on American college campuses. Josh Wong and Nathan Law are heroes for advancing the cause of freedom in Hong Kong & should be welcome on any American campus.
https://twitter.com/SenTomCotton/status/1225103739989774338 (https://twitter.com/SenTomCotton/status/1225103739989774338)
Senator Cotton really does have a bit of the "Andy of Mayberry" personality. I don't know how else to describe it.
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I think I agree on this one... raising the price could happen here too.
I do not agree. That which many call price gouging is the way the market works to get supply to an area of higher need for a product.
When the hurricane is coming, or the day after it arrived, generators should be priced what the market will allow. Demand quadruples or increases by a thousand times in that location. If the price doubles, that allows a small operator to rent a truck, drive to another state and bring back a truckload of generators. Generators that would not be there the next day if prices stayed the same. Generators that are badly needed by those who did not prepare in advance.
You want a standard priced generator, buy it before you need it. You want a generator after the emergency is already here, pay the inflated price.
If prices do not rise, extra supply does not arrive.
I would rather buy a double priced generator than not be able to buy any regular priced generator because they already sold out.
Plywood, sheetrock, germ masks, whatever. Let the market work it out. Anti-gouging laws always end up with people needing products that they cannot get when they need them.
Quit asking the government to solve your lack of planning and preparedness.
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I do not agree. That which many call price gouging is the way the market works to get supply to an area of higher need for a product.
When the hurricane is coming, or the day after it arrived, generators should be priced what the market will allow. Demand quadruples or increases by a thousand times in that location. If the price doubles, that allows a small operator to rent a truck, drive to another state and bring back a truckload of generators. Generators that would not be there the next day if prices stayed the same. Generators that are badly needed by those who did not prepare in advance.
You want a standard priced generator, buy it before you need it. You want a generator after the emergency is already here, pay the inflated price.
If prices do not rise, extra supply does not arrive.
I would rather buy a double priced generator than not be able to buy any regular priced generator because they already sold out.
Plywood, sheetrock, germ masks, whatever. Let the market work it out. Anti-gouging laws always end up with people needing products that they cannot get when they need them.
Quit asking the government to solve your lack of planning and preparedness.
Well said! :beer:
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N. Korean military smuggles in S. Korean face masks
Masks are for military units near Pyongyang and their labels were removed before being distributed to soldiers
By Jeong Tae Joo -
2020.02.05 2:00pm
A trading company affiliated with the Ministry of People’s Armed Forces, the military’s main logistics agency, recently smuggled in large amounts of health masks produced in South Korea, Daily NK has learned.
The smuggling operation appears to have been undertaken by the military as part of efforts to ensure soldiers are protected against an outbreak of the Wuhan coronavirus, which continues to spread in China and around the world.
The Kimbongsokyong Trading Company reportedly sent a request to Chinese traders for “South Korean-produced products [masks]†through a “customs office in Sinuiju,†according to a source based in North Pyongyan Province on Feb. 3.
Read more at: https://www.dailynk.com/english/north-korean-military-smuggles-south-korean-face-masks/ (https://www.dailynk.com/english/north-korean-military-smuggles-south-korean-face-masks/)
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They've been lying through their teeth.
https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3871594 (https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3871594)
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They've been lying through their teeth.
https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3871594 (https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3871594)
Saw this as the last stat...."China coronavirus cases now top 20,000, with 425 dead"
This seems consistent with the 2% Mortality rate that has been previously reported, and isn't much higher than potent flu strains we often see in this country.
Does anyone have any data, that this virus is mutating into a deadlier strain? If not, I hope cooler heads will prevail, and we carefully and methodically contain. (Just in case)
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They've been lying through their teeth.
https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3871594 (https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3871594)
That's some article. Thanks for sharing. We will see.
Also, I saw an article this morning of a Taiwanese doctor saying "hand washing" is more important than "masks", I hope hand sanitizer is of some help because one can take that everywhere... just in case.
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That's some article. Thanks for sharing. We will see.
Also, I saw an article this morning of a Taiwanese doctor saying "hand washing" is more important than "masks", I hope hand sanitizer is of some help because one can take that everywhere... just in case.
Hand washing is always important.
It seems basic and obvious, yet people convey pathogens from surfaces and other humans by touching their face, mouth, nose, and eyes, (not to mention food) and do so far more often than they realize.
Just washing your hands before you handle food can make a huge difference.
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Taiwan News By Keoni Everington 2/5/2020
https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3871594 (https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3871594)
TAIPEI (Taiwan News) — As many experts question the veracity of China's statistics for the Wuhan coronavirus outbreak, Tencent over the weekend seems to have inadvertently released what is potentially the actual number of infections and deaths, which were astronomically higher than official figures, but are eerily in line with predictions from a respected scientific journal.
As early as Jan. 26, netizens were reporting that Tencent, on its webpage titled "Epidemic Situation Tracker" was briefly showing data on the novel coronavirus (2019nCoV) in China that was much higher than official estimates, before suddenly switching to lower numbers. Taiwanese netizen Hiroki Lo that day reported that Tencent and NetEase were both posting "unmodified statistics," before switching to official numbers in short order.
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Left to right are "nationally confirmed cases", "suspected cases", "cured", and "deaths".
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This was posted in the large thread. We will allow it here for the time being. Perhaps a merhe this evening.
After thinking about it, I'm not sure of it's significance. I was told Tencent is a newspaper I think. Or maybe news channel.
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The number of deaths is 100X greater than the number of "cured?" Am I missing something?
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Saw this as the last stat...."China coronavirus cases now top 20,000, with 425 dead"
This seems consistent with the 2% Mortality rate that has been previously reported, and isn't much higher than potent flu strains we often see in this country.
Does anyone have any data, that this virus is mutating into a deadlier strain? If not, I hope cooler heads will prevail, and we carefully and methodically contain. (Just in case)
The stats from the link indicate a 16% death rate.
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Drone captures eerie scenes of coronavirus-ravaged Wuhan
By Yaron Steinbuch
February 6, 2020 | 9:55am
Haunting drone footage shows the largely empty thoroughfares in the coronavirus epicenter city of Wuhan, a sprawling metropolis of 11 million residents that appears to have been transformed into a ghost town.
The video — posted on Twitter by ABC News — captures a variety of eerie scenes, including one bridge with a handful of vehicles, another that is devoid of traffic, a lone car on a six-lane highway and the airport at a standstill. ... More and link to video at NY Post (https://nypost.com/2020/02/06/drone-captures-eerie-scenes-of-coronavirus-ravaged-wuhan/?utm_medium=SocialFlow&utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=NYPTwitter)
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Hand washing is always important.
It seems basic and obvious, yet people convey pathogens from surfaces and other humans by touching their face, mouth, nose, and eyes, (not to mention food) and do so far more often than they realize.
Just washing your hands before you handle food can make a huge difference.
Interestingly enough, I saw a sign on twitter, image, that had as one precaution to open doors and door knobs with your elbows. Then, it went on to say, you can't touch your face with your elbow. So, that's interesting, I can kind of see how that works even though it sounds goofy. I am keeping sanitizer around which certainly is not perfect but it is still something.
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World News
February 6, 2020 / 5:30 AM / Updated 2 hours ago
Chinese city accused of stealing virus masks from hard-hit neighbor
BEIJING (Reuters) - A Chinese city with only eight confirmed cases of a new coronavirus has been accused of intercepting a shipment of surgical masks bound for a municipality with 400 cases, prompting outrage on social media.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-masks/chinese-city-accused-of-stealing-virus-masks-from-hard-hit-neighbor-idUSKBN2001HK (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-masks/chinese-city-accused-of-stealing-virus-masks-from-hard-hit-neighbor-idUSKBN2001HK)
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When the patient dies you know right away. It may take awhile to be confident that the patient has been completely cured.
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That's a 16% death rate.
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The number of deaths is 100X greater than the number of "cured?" Am I missing something?
Is there a purge going on that we don't know about that are conveniently padding the numbers?
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Doctor who sounded alarm on coronavirus dies
Li Wenliang, a doctor in China who was allegedly detained for warning others about the coronavirus before he himself was sickened by the illness, has died. His death was confirmed during a World Health Organization (WHO) press briefing on Thursday.
We're very sad to hear of the loss of Dr. Li Wenliang," WHO officials said.
Li had claimed that he shared his concerns via private chat with medical school graduates after several patients exhibited symptoms similar to SARS before he was detained by authorities. He later tested positive for the virus.
(Snip)
This is a developing story
https://www.foxnews.com/health/doctor-sounded-alarm-coronavirus-dies (https://www.foxnews.com/health/doctor-sounded-alarm-coronavirus-dies)
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Doctor who sounded alarm on coronavirus dies
Doctor who sounded alarm on coronavirus not dead despite WHO comments, hospital claims
https://www.foxnews.com/health/doctor-sounded-alarm-coronavirus-dies (https://www.foxnews.com/health/doctor-sounded-alarm-coronavirus-dies)
Coronavirus: Chinese media confusion over doctor's death
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51403795 (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51403795)
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I don't know about you guys, but where I live, I'm getting conflicting information about the risk of getting the coronavirus. On the one hand, local news is reporting the local health department is advising people to forget about the coronavirus and get their flu shots. We've had several flu-related deaths here locally, although most of the victims were the elderly and/or people with existing illnesses.
But then the national news frowny-faced anchors are carrying on about the coronavirus as if we are all going to die. So who do I believe?
If it bleeds, it leads. CoronaVirus can kill, is new, so it is going to be the news topic.
For me, one of the advantages of winter is that I stay home when the weather is nasty. So I'm less likely to be exposed to the flu or the coronavirus than most people who work, go to school or are otherwise out in public.
I do have one question -- don't know if it's already been asked -- I got the flu vaccine in September -- will it protect me from the coronavirus?
Not at all. It does not even protect against every type of flu virus. Each year they tailor it to match the more common types that year.
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/prevent/flushot.htm (https://www.cdc.gov/flu/prevent/flushot.htm)
...It’s possible to get sick with flu even if you have been vaccinated (although you won’t know for sure unless you get a flu test)....
...You may be exposed to an influenza virus that is different from what is used to make seasonal influenza vaccine. There are many different influenza viruses that circulate every year. An influenza vaccine is made to protect against the three or four influenza viruses that research suggests will be most common....
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I don't know about you guys, but where I live, I'm getting conflicting information about the risk of getting the coronavirus. On the one hand, local news is reporting the local health department is advising people to forget about the coronavirus and get their flu shots. We've had several flu-related deaths here locally, although most of the victims were the elderly and/or people with existing illnesses.
But then the national news frowny-faced anchors are carrying on about the coronavirus as if we are all going to die. So who do I believe?
For me, one of the advantages of winter is that I stay home when the weather is nasty. So I'm less likely to be exposed to the flu or the coronavirus than most people who work, go to school or are otherwise out in public.
I do have one question -- don't know if it's already been asked -- I got the flu vaccine in September -- will it protect me from the coronavirus?
The flu shots already given are not for this virus. A vaccine has not yet been developed.
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@thackney
@Cyber Liberty
Thanks fellas. I do know the flu shot doesn't even protect against the flu entirely, let alone the coronavirus, but I thought maybe having had the vaccine might lessen the coronavirus effects as the flu vaccine sometimes does for strains other than the ones the vaccine is designed for. Learned something today, so the day wasn't a total waste. LOL
Surfing TBR is never a total waste, but it just seems that way, some days. LOL! 333cleo 333cleo
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http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2020-02/05/c_138758355.htm (http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2020-02/05/c_138758355.htm)
Chinese runners do "home marathons" during coronavirus epidemic
CHANGCHUN, Feb. 5 (Xinhua) -- A Hangzhou runner named Pan Shancu ran 6,450 circles around two beds in five hours at home; a Xi'an runner, Cheng Dadu, continuously ran 100km in the living room; a mother Tan Xue, finished a half marathon at home and posted on social media her race bib, drawn by her son.
Although many people in China can not go outside due to the outbreak of the novel coronavirus, "home marathons" have become a new option for many Chinese runners during this time.
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Could Japan call off Tokyo Olympics over coronavirus fears? | DW | 07.02.2020
Deutsche Welle (www.dw.com (http://www.dw.com))
With less than 6 months before Japan hosts the opening ceremony for the 2020 Olympic Games, the coronavirus that has erupted in China has cast an early pall over the 17-day event. Julian Ryall reports from Tokyo.
The latest figures available indicate that over 600 people have died in China to date, making the virus more lethal than the SARS epidemic of 2002-03, which killed a total of 349 people in China. Authorities say that more than 30,000 people are known to have been infected, with some experts warning that the exact figure could be much higher.
Twenty-two people in Japan are being treated for the illness, some of whom are Chinese tourists who were taken ill after arriving in the country, and with little sign that health experts are bringing the outbreak under control, there have already been rumors that the Japanese government is considering cancelling the Olympics.
Read more at: https://www.dw.com/en/could-japan-call-off-tokyo-olympics-over-coronavirus-fears/a-52292386 (https://www.dw.com/en/could-japan-call-off-tokyo-olympics-over-coronavirus-fears/a-52292386)
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Opinion
Sieren's China: Coronavirus — an epidemic of rumors
In the coronavirus crisis, false information, discrimination and conspiracy theories have been spreading faster than the virus itself, says DW’s Frank Sieren - both in China and around the world.
The World Health Organization has warned of a dangerous "infodemic." Indeed, the rapid spread of panic, false information and racist prejudice triggered by the virus is alarming. All over the world, people who look as if they could be Chinese or of Chinese descent have reported incidents. In Rome, a bar near the Trevi fountain put up a notice banning Chinese customers. In Berlin, a young Chinese woman was attacked and had to go to hospital. These are just two examples found under #iamnotavirus hashtag.
https://www.dw.com/en/sierens-china-coronavirus-an-epidemic-of-rumors/a-52288831 (https://www.dw.com/en/sierens-china-coronavirus-an-epidemic-of-rumors/a-52288831)
Li Wenliang: Coronavirus death of Wuhan doctor sparks anger
The death of a Chinese doctor who tried to warn about the coronavirus outbreak has sparked widespread public anger and grief in China.
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Last December he sent a message to fellow medics warning of a virus he thought looked like Sars - another deadly coronavirus.
But he was told by police to "stop making false comments" and was investigated for "spreading rumours".
"I don't think he was rumour-mongering. Hasn't this turned into reality now?" his father, Li Shuying, told the BBC. "My son was wonderful.
More at: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51409801 (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51409801)
Luckily, this was in my cache still, I could readily find it at the BBC.
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We hear about this doctor, he was an ophthalmologist. One probably does not know his story too much beyond scant articles and stories.
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Chinese Doctor Who Blew Whistle on Virus Dies After Treatment 'Delay'
2020-02-07
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A photo of the late ophthalmologist Li Wenliang is seen with flower bouquets at the Houhu Branch of Wuhan Central Hospital in Wuhan in China's central Hubei province, Feb. 7, 2020.
AFP
A whistleblowing Wuhan doctor hauled in by China's state security police after he and colleagues tried to warn the authorities about the coronavirus has died of the disease, sparking an outcry on the country's usually tightly regulated social media platforms.
Li Wenliang, 34, was one of eight medical professionals in the central Chinese city of Wuhan who tried to warn colleagues and others about a newly discovered virus similar to SARS amid silence from health officials.
After he reported that seven patients had contracted the virus, he was visited on Jan. 3 by police, who forced him to sign a statement admitting to having spread "rumors."
More: https://www.rfa.org/english/news/china/wuhan-doctor-02072020134453.html (https://www.rfa.org/english/news/china/wuhan-doctor-02072020134453.html)
Seoul Government Inspects Find No Evidence of Bat Meat Being Sold in Traditional Markets
GIKorea | February 8, 2020 | Korea-General Topics | 2 Comments
At least it appears that Korean traditional markets are not selling bat meat which is what is believed to have caused the coronavirus outbreak in China:
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A quarantine team disinfects the street of Daerim Central Market in Yeungdeungpo in Seoul, Tuesday. The market is a place for Chinese immigrants and tourists to shop and eat. / Korea Times photo by Bae Woo-han
The Seoul Metropolitan Government conducted a rare inspection of restaurants in the city’s three major traditional markets, Wednesday, for the possible illegal consumption of bat meat, as part of its efforts to prevent the spread of a coronavirus, according to city officials.
On Wednesday, three additional cases of infection were confirmed here, putting the total number at 19.
The inspection team consisting of city officials overseeing hygiene matters, police and consumer rights activists looked into restaurants in Daerim Central Market in Yeungdeungpo, Gyeongdong Market in Dongdaemun and Joyang Market in Gwangjin; areas that are frequented by Chinese immigrants and tourists.
Read more at: https://www.rokdrop.net/2020/02/seoul-government-inspects-find-no-evidence-of-bat-meat-being-sold-in-traditional-markets/ (https://www.rokdrop.net/2020/02/seoul-government-inspects-find-no-evidence-of-bat-meat-being-sold-in-traditional-markets/)
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First American dies of coronavirus in China: US Embassy
A 60-year-old diagnosed with coronavirus in Wuhan, China, has reportedly become the first U.S. citizen to die of the novel virus.
The patient died at Jinyintian Hospital in Wuhan on Thursday, The New York Times reported.
The U.S. Embassy in Beijing confirmed the patient’s death Friday night but gave few other details.
The fast-spreading virus has killed more than 700 and infected more than 34,500 in China as of Friday.
https://www.foxnews.com/health/first-american-dies-of-coronavirus-in-china-us-embassy (https://www.foxnews.com/health/first-american-dies-of-coronavirus-in-china-us-embassy)
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American Citizen Diagnosed With Coronavirus Dies in China
https://www.wsj.com/articles/an-american-citizen-diagnosed-with-coronavirus-has-died-in-china-11581141185 (https://www.wsj.com/articles/an-american-citizen-diagnosed-with-coronavirus-has-died-in-china-11581141185)
The person was 60 years old and died Thursday at Wuhan’s Jinyintan Hospital, a spokesman for the U.S. Embassy in Beijing said Saturday. He provided no further details. “We offer our sincerest condolences to the family on their loss,†he said. “Out of the respect for the family’s privacy, we have no further comment.â€
A Japanese man in his 60s who was suspected of contracting the coronavirus also died in Wuhan, the Japanese Foreign Ministry said Saturday. It didn’t say when he died.
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The Sun.co.uk ran a story on the Pangolin earlier and I thought, must be sensational but now I do see another story. These stories assert the Pangolin would have been an intermediary with bat meat. These pangolins, the scales are trafficked illegally into China. They see some value to them. Stories have been posted here on this smuggling.
(https://media.philstar.com/photos/2020/02/07/nat3-pangolin-palawan-council-sustainable-development2019-08-1220-32-36_2020-02-07_17-15-11.jpg)
The pangolin is considered the most trafficked animal on the planet and over one million have been snatched from Asian and African forests in the past decade, according to the International Union for Conservation of Nature.
Palawan Council for Sustainable Development Photo
Pangolin identified as potential link for coronavirus spread
(Agence France-Presse) - February 7, 2020 - 5:13pm
BEIJING, China — The endangered pangolin may be the link that facilitated the spread of the novel coronavirus across China, Chinese scientists said Friday.
At least 31,000 people have been infected and 630 killed by the virus, which has spread to two dozen countries.
Researchers at the South China Agricultural University have identified the scaly mammal as a "potential intermediate host," the university said in a statement, without providing further details.
Read more at: https://www.philstar.com/world/2020/02/07/1991214/pangolin-identified-potential-link-coronavirus-spread (https://www.philstar.com/world/2020/02/07/1991214/pangolin-identified-potential-link-coronavirus-spread)
Revenge of the pangolin, I thought it has been awful what they've done to them.
The article goes on to say, they are used in Chinese medicine and their meat is eaten.
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Home | News | North Korea
Fifteen Repatriated North Korean Refugees Kept Quarantined for Coronavirus in ‘Dangerous’ Tuberculosis Hospital
2020-02-07
As the coronavirus epidemic rages on in China, authorities in North Korea have quarantined a group of 15 refugees that were captured in China and repatriated with the help of Chinese police, placing them in a facility meant to isolate patients with open cases of tuberculosis, RFA has learned.
Sources say that the government has little regard for the health of the refugees, and does not care if they contract tuberculosis while under quarantine for the novel coronavirus (nCoV).
“Yesterday an acquaintance of mine who works in the medical industry told me that some North Korean refugees who were sent back from China last month were put in isolation at a tuberculosis hospital,†a resident of North Hamgyong province told RFA’s Korean Service Thursday.
Read more at: https://www.rfa.org/english/news/korea/nk-refugees-tb-coronavirus-02072020212720.html (https://www.rfa.org/english/news/korea/nk-refugees-tb-coronavirus-02072020212720.html)
I thought of that, some of these quarantine centers in themselves seem dangerous.
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American Citizen Diagnosed With Coronavirus Dies in China
https://www.wsj.com/articles/an-american-citizen-diagnosed-with-coronavirus-has-died-in-china-11581141185 (https://www.wsj.com/articles/an-american-citizen-diagnosed-with-coronavirus-has-died-in-china-11581141185)
I can't imagine the horror of dying in a Chinese hospital.......
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He's Winnie the Flu. Winnie the Flu [ Censored ] [ Censored ] [ Censored ] adorable bundle of joy upholding Chinese socialist values.
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Is China Using Coronavirus to Cover up Uighur Deaths?
Published February 7th, 2020 - 08:20 GMT
Highlights
Uighur Muslims with relatives held in Chinese 'concentration camps' say they live in fear the government will pin the deaths of their loved ones on the deadly coronavirus.
The families of Uighur Muslims held in internment camps are worried that China will pin their deaths on the fast-spreading coronavirus, which has killed over 560 people and infected tens of thousands, a UK publication revealed in interviews with family members.
Uighur activist Bahram K. Sintash told Metro that the fate of his father, journalist Qurban Mamut, who was taken to one of camps in 2018 remains unknown, and that he fears authorities will use the coronavirus spread to cover up his death.
Sintash, who lives in the US, has been unable to speak with his father for two years, after the Chinese government cut off all communication from the camps.
Read more at: https://www.albawaba.com/news/china-using-coronavirus-cover-uighur-deaths-1337656 (https://www.albawaba.com/news/china-using-coronavirus-cover-uighur-deaths-1337656)
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If you want conspiracy theories, what if the Chinese created the virus to get rid of Uighurs?
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If you want conspiracy theories, what if the Chinese created the virus to get rid of Uighurs?
@musiclady
Somehow it won't suprise me if this is true...
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Have any of you ever read The Stand?
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If you want conspiracy theories, what if the Chinese created the virus to get rid of Uighurs?
Or to shut down the protests in Hong Kong.
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Have any of you ever read The Stand?
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I have
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One thing about this I've read is that bats don't succumb to disease because they only give enough immune response to fight it off, whereas humans are drama queens that go full bore till it kills them.
Which, if this was an experiment, you wonder if they were trying to cause the same thing in humans as bats. Alot of wealthy longetivity types sure would be interested in that.
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Have any of you ever read The Stand?
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Repeatedly, over the years. It's my favorite King novel.
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I don't know if this is legit or not but this is what I saw:
Guo Wengui, 73rd richest man in China:says: The Chinese regime has hidden the facts about the #coronavirus. More than 50 thousand corpses were burned in 49 crematoriums in the city of Hubei alone and said that the number of people infected with the virus in the country is 1.5 million.
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I don't know if this is legit or not but this is what I saw:
Guo Wengui, 73rd richest man in China:says: The Chinese regime has hidden the facts about the #coronavirus. More than 50 thousand corpses were burned in 49 crematoriums in the city of Hubei alone and said that the number of people infected with the virus in the country is 1.5 million.
Much more likely closer to the truth than what China claims. Where are the world's journalist exposing the lies??? This is a big deal. Letting China get away with this charade is unforgivable.
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I don't know if this is legit or not but this is what I saw:
Guo Wengui, 73rd richest man in China:says: The Chinese regime has hidden the facts about the #coronavirus. More than 50 thousand corpses were burned in 49 crematoriums in the city of Hubei alone and said that the number of people infected with the virus in the country is 1.5 million.
??? A link would be helpful. :beer:
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@musiclady
Somehow it won't suprise me if this is true...
I know........... it's so believable that it's scary.
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New study an eye-opener on how coronavirus is spreading and how little we know
A study published Friday in the medical journal JAMA found that 41% of the first 138 patients diagnosed at one hospital in Wuhan, China, were presumed to be infected in that hospital.
This is big news. In plain English, it means that nearly half of the initial infections in this hospital appear to have been spread within the hospital itself. This is called nosocomial transmission. (Doctors use big words to hide bad things: Nosocomial means caught it in the hospital.)
What's more, most spread doesn't appear to have been the result of a so-called "super-spreader event," in which a single patient transmits infection to many other people. In these events, a procedure such as bronchoscopy -- where a doctor inserts a tube into the patient's lungs -- can result in many infections.
This would be a concern, but not nearly as much as what appears to have happened: Many health care workers and many patients got infected in many parts of the hospital. What's more, since there's a broad spectrum of infection and only patients who were sick were tested, it's quite likely that there was even more transmission in the hospital.
So, like SARS and MERS -- other coronaviruses -- before it, the Wuhan coronavirus is spreading in hospitals................
https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/08/health/coronavirus-hospital-infections-frieden/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/08/health/coronavirus-hospital-infections-frieden/index.html)
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Video that claims to show the Chinese govt rounding up political dissidents, telling them they are infected, and then sending them to quarantine so that they will catch the disease:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1226289531080437760 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1226289531080437760)
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'The Stand' - Part I
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'The Stand' - Part I
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"Captain Trips"
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7980883/Video-shows-officials-protective-suits-dragging-suspected-coronavirus-carriers-homes.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7980883/Video-shows-officials-protective-suits-dragging-suspected-coronavirus-carriers-homes.html)
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7980883/Video-shows-officials-protective-suits-dragging-suspected-coronavirus-carriers-homes.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7980883/Video-shows-officials-protective-suits-dragging-suspected-coronavirus-carriers-homes.html)
Hmmmm.....
The more they gin this panic up, the more dissidents they get to "pacify." To much applause.
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OK, here's my take. This whole CoronaVirus (or DosEquis Virus) is being blown up by the CDC in order to get more funding. There is a large chunk of money that has been set aside, and that money gets unlocked when there is some sort of global pandemic.
The last coronavirus outbreak had around 8,000 cases and 800 deaths. This time around, cases are much higher so far, but a lower fatality rate.
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I don't know if this is legit or not but this is what I saw:
Guo Wengui, 73rd richest man in China:says: The Chinese regime has hidden the facts about the #coronavirus. More than 50 thousand corpses were burned in 49 crematoriums in the city of Hubei alone and said that the number of people infected with the virus in the country is 1.5 million.
If true, this means the 2% mortality rate previously being tracked is incorrect. Please provide a link for addtional review. One of my first jobs out of college had epidemiological reporting responsibilites to CDC within the State Dept. of Health. As I have previously disccused, paramenters to watch closely are (1) number of cases, (2) deaths, infering lethality (3) trends of the ratios (1)/(2) and virology studies to determine the level of mutation of the virus. Right now the 2% if valid isn't so much a concern, because run of the mill flu strains have similar statistics. (0.5-2%). As a benchmark the 1918 flu, varied, but averaged about 20% Mortality.
But back to the claim. If correct, the Chicoms may have unleashed a Pandemic. I hope and pray this isn't true. Also we should be getting some biostats outside of China shortly to give us an idea of the severity.
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Good article here:
Wuhan: A Human Catastrophe.
The coronavirus outbreak in Wuhan exposes the dangers of central planning.
Matilda Z. Halen | January 29, 2020 (https://humanevents.com/2020/01/29/wuhan-a-human-catastrophe/)
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OK, here's my take. This whole CoronaVirus (or DosEquis Virus) is being blown up by the CDC in order to get more funding. There is a large chunk of money that has been set aside, and that money gets unlocked when there is some sort of global pandemic.
The last coronavirus outbreak had around 8,000 cases and 800 deaths. This time around, cases are much higher so far, but a lower fatality rate.
I believe you could be correct. The World Health Organization has come out and asked for $$ - the US $675 million, Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation has also contributed along with a few other organizations. My first thought was -- this is a way to get money.
I found it interesting that the director general of WHO started off his reporting by first discussing Ebola and then severely downplayed the coronavirus and said that the 'conspiracy theories' are more threatening. ?? I'm not buying it. Other reports are coming in that the death toll has surpassed SARS and the figures coming in indicate that this has infected triple the amount of people that were infected by SARS.
It would seem that the Chinese government is dramatically downplaying this; which is concerning. The bigger concern I believe is that the WHO and the CDC are also minimizing the severity of this virus.
This is a virus, not a bacteria. Bacteria you can treat with anitbodies. To treat a virus they have to come up with an antviral which is much much more difficult.
https://www.who.int/dg/speeches/detail/director-general-s-remarks-at-the-media-briefing-on-2019-novel-coronavirus---8-february-2020 (https://www.who.int/dg/speeches/detail/director-general-s-remarks-at-the-media-briefing-on-2019-novel-coronavirus---8-february-2020)
https://www.foxnews.com/us/coronavirus-deaths-surpass-sars-death-hundreds-killed (https://www.foxnews.com/us/coronavirus-deaths-surpass-sars-death-hundreds-killed)
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More than 50 thousand corpses were burned in 49 crematoriums in the city of Hubei alone and said that the number of people infected with the virus in the country is 1.5 million.
I just came across this Twitter thread. Obviously, I have no idea as to its veracity.ＩＮＴＥＬＷＡＶＥ @inteldotwav
Data from http://windy.com (http://windy.com) shows a massive release of sulfur dioxide gas from the outskirts of Wuhan, commonly associated with the burning of organic matters. Levels are elevated, even compared with the rest of China.
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5:12 PM · Feb 8, 2020
From the same time, using the same scale - notice that the emissions are heightened across the board. Only other city that comes near to it is Chongquing, which is also afflicted by the #coronavirus.
A couple distinct possibilities: This is a power plant releasing all this gas. Unlikely, considering how deviant the numbers are from the norm. No other city comes close to how much SO2 is being released from Wuhan.
A second one: Wuhan is burning municipal trash and possibly contaminated animal carcasses. Possible, but why would they not just dump it where they usually do?
And the third and most morbid: Dead bodies are being burned on the outskirts of the city, the death numbers are way higher than the CCP is letting on about, and things are really, really bad.
I don't know the relative probabilities of these events, make up your own mind as to which is most likely.
Also note that I changed the scale displayed to view only the peaks, look at concentrations above 500ug/m^3 to see the real story.
If this tweet gets taken down you know what happened.
This is from 4chins so take this with a grain of salt, but one poster extrapolated from the SO2 release data and estimated 14,000 bodies would have to be burnt to reach this level of emissions. #coronavirus
Current SOâ‚‚ levels are extremely elevated, at 1700ug/m^3, where 80ug/m^3 is considered dangerously high. Next closest is Chongqing at roughly 800ug/m^3.
Link: https://twitter.com/inteldotwav/status/1226270885532852224 (https://twitter.com/inteldotwav/status/1226270885532852224)
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Here are two youtube channels that is telling the truth about the ChiComs:
https://www.youtube.com/user/NTDChinaUncensored
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCl7mAGnY4jh4Ps8rhhh8XZg
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If true, this means the 2% mortality rate previously being tracked is incorrect. Please provide a link for addtional review. One of my first jobs out of college had epidemiological reporting responsibilites to CDC within the State Dept. of Health. As I have previously disccused, paramenters to watch closely are (1) number of cases, (2) deaths, infering lethality (3) trends of the ratios (1)/(2) and virology studies to determine the level of mutation of the virus. Right now the 2% if valid isn't so much a concern, because run of the mill flu strains have similar statistics. (0.5-2%). As a benchmark the 1918 flu, varied, but averaged about 20% Mortality.
But back to the claim. If correct, the Chicoms may have unleashed a Pandemic. I hope and pray this isn't true. Also we should be getting some biostats outside of China shortly to give us an idea of the severity.
My guess it is more serious than what they are telling us. I think this is their Chernobyl....
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There definitely seems to be enough anecdotal info coming out of China to make one believe they aren't telling us the truth.
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There definitely seems to be enough anecdotal info coming out of China to make one believe they aren't telling us the truth.
One sure indication is the fatality count. Every day they report around 100 souls. Seems to me the number of daily fatalities should follow some kind of bell curve, not such a linear line.
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Good article here:
Wuhan: A Human Catastrophe.
The coronavirus outbreak in Wuhan exposes the dangers of central planning.
Matilda Z. Halen | January 29, 2020 (https://humanevents.com/2020/01/29/wuhan-a-human-catastrophe/)
“In the early stages of the crisis, the Wuhan government kept the news from Beijing and did not report it,†according to Dr. Huang. As a result, “the entire country’s medical system missed the prime time to deal with the crisis,†Lenny told me.
I think that is total B.S. This is just the groundwork for deflecting blame from the central government. It is the central government that demanded that the crises be hidden. It is China trying to save face and make it an "internal issue" only. Who really believes that lower downs in these types situations are in control of anything? China is a top down organization. Anything less is a bullet to the head. Period.
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One sure indication is the fatality count. Every day they report around 100 souls. Seems to me the number of daily fatalities should follow some kind of bell curve, not such a linear line.
Yet the western media repeats the lies as if it were the truth with virtually no skepticism. It is one thing when the Chinese lie to their own people. It is another when the west repeats those lies giving them credibility all the while defying basic logic or integrity.
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My guess it is more serious than what they are telling us. I think this is their Chernobyl....
Both the CDC and the WHO are confirming and backing what China is saying. That is perhaps the most troubling aspect of this. Why? I am also reading that the U.S. shouldn't panic, but the Pentagon has set aside 5 military bunkers to isolate those coming from China -- they are bringing in 100's that may be infected.
Reports are also conflicting that say that this may be bio engineered and the Chinese keep insisting that the virus originated in bats, then some kind of anteater, etc.
Journalist who have been reporting on this have disappeared. Even more troubling.
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Both the CDC and the WHO are confirming and backing what China is saying. That is perhaps the most troubling aspect of this. Why? I am also reading that the U.S. shouldn't panic, but the Pentagon has set aside 5 military bunkers to isolate those coming from China -- they are bringing in 100's that may be infected.
Reports are also conflicting that say that this may be bio engineered and the Chinese keep insisting that the virus originated in bats, then some kind of anteater, etc.
Journalist who have been reporting on this have disappeared. Even more troubling.
Disgusting isn't it.
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Disgusting isn't it.
President Trump has commented that he believes that Xi Jinping has things under control ... we shall see.
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I don't know if this is legit or not but this is what I saw:
Guo Wengui, 73rd richest man in China:says: The Chinese regime has hidden the facts about the #coronavirus. More than 50 thousand corpses were burned in 49 crematoriums in the city of Hubei alone and said that the number of people infected with the virus in the country is 1.5 million.
I didn't post it because it sounds so sensational from a newspaper that tries to be sensational but it was nonetheless, an interesting read from the Daily Star. So, here it is with the reminder, I've read too, we don't want an epidemic of misinformation... back to the 'crematoriums", one of the Daily Star articles was even saying this burning of bodies created a pale smoke cloud around the city.
Wuhan coronavirus crematoriums 'working 24/7' burning ‘100 bodies a day' insider claims
A worker at a funeral home in Wuhan has reportedly made the disturbing claims – as Chinese authorities have insisted the official death toll remains at just under 500
Then, alleged video of that cloud of smoke.
Chinese crematoriums are working “24/7†as they burn bodies of people killed by the coronavirus in Wuhan, it has been claimed.
Workers are reportedly working flat out and without break as they are constantly sent the bodies of victims – it is claimed they have been burning 100 bodies every day since January 28.
More: https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/world-news/wuhan-coronavirus-crematoriums-working-247-21434630 (https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/world-news/wuhan-coronavirus-crematoriums-working-247-21434630)
So as said, careful with some information, it could be alarmist. I'm sure the flu is worse than we've been told. I saw a video on twitter showing a woman basically being dragged from her car by officials. Oh, and another good video of people fighting off from being put in a quarantine center because they figure, they might catch the flu or TB or something else there. Amazing to watch.
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President Trump has commented that he believes that Xi Jinping has things under control ... we shall see.
"Control" at what human cost?
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More than 50 thousand corpses were burned in 49 crematoriums in the city of Hubei alone
Amid Virus Outbreak, Funeral Home Officials in Wuhan Reveal Sharp Increase in Cremations
By Cathy He | February 7, 2020 | Updated: February 9, 2020
A senior official at a crematorium in the coronavirus epicenter of Wuhan, China, says their intake has skyrocketed in recent weeks, suggesting that more people are dying of the disease than officially reported.
Beginning around Jan. 22, the number of dead bodies received by the government-operated funeral home has drastically increased—peaking at 127 bodies on Feb. 3, the official said, adding that he’s been seeing about four to five times the usual workload.
The official made the revelations during a Feb. 4 phone call by an undercover reporter for the Chinese-language edition of The Epoch Times, who posed as a member of the central government task force overseeing the outbreak response. This publication is withholding the name of the official and funeral home to protect his identity. . . .
https://www.theepochtimes.com/exclusive-funeral-homes-in-coronavirus-ground-zero-cremating-dozens-of-bodies-a-day_3228938.html (https://www.theepochtimes.com/exclusive-funeral-homes-in-coronavirus-ground-zero-cremating-dozens-of-bodies-a-day_3228938.html)
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The senior official at the first-mentioned funeral home said his staff of around 110 people has been stretched to the limit, working round the clock to transport bodies from hospitals and private homes and cremate them.
“We transport the bodies 24 hours a day,†he said. “Now every single male employee is involved [in this task]. As long as they can still move, they will work.â€
The facility’s 11 furnaces are cremating bodies nonstop every day, he said.
The official said that at this rate, he would need 40 to 50 additional staff to keep up with the workload, adding that current staff have not taken a day off since Lunar New Year’s Eve on Jan. 25.
“I’m on the brink of collapse,†the official said.
A staff of 110 people working around the clock to cremate people...
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What I'm watching is those infected from other countries to see if it's possible to get a better estimate of the fatality rate.
What I'm really worried about is if/when this gets loose in Africa, South America, or any other place not as equipped to handle it.
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What I'm watching is those infected from other countries to see if it's possible to get a better estimate of the fatality rate.
This is what I've thought as well, the first coronavirus death outside of China was in the Philippines. So, they'd probably be a good barometer and they seem to have a fair number of Chinese there though, they did close their country to people from China. Some must already be there.
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Both the CDC and the WHO are confirming and backing what China is saying. That is perhaps the most troubling aspect of this. Why? I am also reading that the U.S. shouldn't panic, but the Pentagon has set aside 5 military bunkers to isolate those coming from China -- they are bringing in 100's that may be infected.
Remember the government on 9/12/01? "If you stop shopping the terrorists will have won". The powers that be will do and say anything to keep the gravy train rolling.
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What I'm watching is those infected from other countries to see if it's possible to get a better estimate of the fatality rate.
What I'm really worried about is if/when this gets loose in Africa, South America, or any other place not as equipped to handle it.
I"m sure some Eco-Terrorist would like to spread this disease.
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What I'm watching is those infected from other countries to see if it's possible to get a better estimate of the fatality rate.
What I'm really worried about is if/when this gets loose in Africa, South America, or any other place not as equipped to handle it.
Yep. There's been a fair number of people sick on Cruise ships too. The biggest single locations outside China I believe.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/09/world/asia/japan-ship-coronavirus.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/09/world/asia/japan-ship-coronavirus.html)
No information on the outcomes of those infected.
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The senior official at the first-mentioned funeral home said his staff of around 110 people has been stretched to the limit, working round the clock to transport bodies from hospitals and private homes and cremate them.
“We transport the bodies 24 hours a day,†he said. “Now every single male employee is involved [in this task]. As long as they can still move, they will work.â€
The facility’s 11 furnaces are cremating bodies nonstop every day, he said.
The official said that at this rate, he would need 40 to 50 additional staff to keep up with the workload, adding that current staff have not taken a day off since Lunar New Year’s Eve on Jan. 25.
“I’m on the brink of collapse,†the official said.
A staff of 110 people working around the clock to cremate people...
Link please?
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Link please?
https://www.theepochtimes.com/exclusive-funeral-homes-in-coronavirus-ground-zero-cremating-dozens-of-bodies-a-day_3228938.html (https://www.theepochtimes.com/exclusive-funeral-homes-in-coronavirus-ground-zero-cremating-dozens-of-bodies-a-day_3228938.html)
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https://www.theepochtimes.com/exclusive-funeral-homes-in-coronavirus-ground-zero-cremating-dozens-of-bodies-a-day_3228938.html (https://www.theepochtimes.com/exclusive-funeral-homes-in-coronavirus-ground-zero-cremating-dozens-of-bodies-a-day_3228938.html)
Thanks. Just a thought. Perhaps the Chinese gov't is reporting the deaths that they know of in the hospitals that are due to the coronavirus. They have some sort of record. Those who are dying in their homes, possibly aren't being recorded - maybe they aren't taking the time or the resources to see whether or not they are dying from the coronavirus.
Perhaps they are cremating everyone, regardless of cause of death to be on the safe side.
I am not sticking up for the Chinese, and I do think that this is being under reported, but there could be some valid reason.
I tend to still think that this virus was bio engineered and either got out of control, or they have another reason to eliminate some of their population. I am not sure if they had intent to create a world pandemic. That remains to be seen.
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This is real interesting about bats and disease. Apparently, we desperately need bats, see story.
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Sotiri Dimpinoudis
@sotiridi
And it goes on and on... Here you see Chinese police forcing a young women and her family to be brought for forced quarantine somewhere of the 30 pop-up field hospitals "prisons" what they are walling it in #china, after all were diagnosed with the #Cononavirus.
Read more at: https://twitter.com/sotiridi/status/1226557922391601153
Poor lady, if they are fighting going into quarantine like this, one has to think the worse.
I've also seen the videos where they seal up buildings too.
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Poor lady, if they are fighting going into quarantine like this, one has to think the worse.
I've also seen the videos where they seal up buildings too.
@TomSea
But China is wonderful country cause they build s**t.
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Yet the western media repeats the lies as if it were the truth with virtually no skepticism. It is one thing when the Chinese lie to their own people. It is another when the west repeats those lies giving them credibility all the while defying basic logic or integrity.
They have been lying about domestic affairs so long that they wouldn't know lies from the truth if they tripped over it, no matter where it came from.
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They have been lying about domestic affairs so long that they wouldn't know lies from the truth if they tripped over it, no matter where it came from.
Which would explain why the citizens run like Hell when they see a government guy in a white van.
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@TomSea
But China is wonderful country cause they build s**t.
You're capable of a better response, Cowboy Up and get into the game more.
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Coronavirus infects 60 more passengers on Diamond Princess, bringing total to 130
Japan may test every person aboard the Diamond Princess for the coronavirus after it was determined Monday that there were 60 new cases on the quarantined ship docked off the coast of Yokohama.
The Japan Times, which first reported the increase, said the passengers will be able to disembark after test results become available. Princess Cruises did not immediately respond to an after-hours email from Fox News.
The passengers have been confined on the ship for six days with limited outdoor activities. The New York Times reported that the ship is "host to the highest concentration of the coronavirus cases outside China." The report said 2,600 passengers have been holed up in their cabins, and some have spoken about their anxiety.
"My whole thing is just to stay calm, because no matter what, I’m here. But every day it’s anxiety-provoking when we see the ambulances line up on the side of the ship," one passenger told the paper.
https://www.foxnews.com/travel/coronavirus-infects-60-more-passengers-on-diamond-princess-bringing-total-to-130 (https://www.foxnews.com/travel/coronavirus-infects-60-more-passengers-on-diamond-princess-bringing-total-to-130)
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The Sun, England:
RAPID SPREAD UK coronavirus: GP surgery on lockdown as TWO medics test positive for bug and ‘super-spreader’ puts hundreds at risk
Breaking
Holly Christodoulou 10th February 2020,
TWO medics are among four people who were diagnosed with coronavirus today – as a GP surgery was placed in lockdown.
The County Oak Medical Centre in Brighton, East Sussex, was closed while staff in hazmat suits deep cleaned the surgery.
Four more people were confirmed as having the virus today – taking the total number of cases in the UK to eight.
Read more at: https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10903354/coronavirus-gp-practice-brighton/ (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10903354/coronavirus-gp-practice-brighton/)
The Sun Coronavirus Update blog (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10913096/coronavirus-uk-china-wuhan-live-updates/)
CHINESE PRESIDENT WEARS FACE MASK AND HAS TEMPERATURE CHECKED
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@TomSea From https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10903354/coronavirus-gp-practice-brighton/ (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10903354/coronavirus-gp-practice-brighton/)
"As the customer was not experiencing any symptoms, the risk to others on board the flight is very low.
IIRC, earlier accounts of the virus indicated one did not have to be symptomatic to pass it on. They may be understating the risk.
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Coronavirus incubation period could be 24 days
https://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/world/2020/02/10/Coronavirus-incubation-period-could-be-24-days.html
They seem to be bumping up the possible incubation period.
@Smokin Joe
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It seems that so far only ethnic Chinese people have died. And that the vast number of westerners that have contracted it have been "mild" cases, at least according to news accounts. Is this due to poor medical care in China, different immune system responses or environmental exposures?
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It seems that so far only ethnic Chinese people have died. And that the vast number of westerners that have contracted it have been "mild" cases, at least according to news accounts. Is this due to poor medical care in China, different immune system responses or environmental exposures?
While it is sad that ethnic Chinese are dying, it is encouraging that westerners are not dying.
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While it is sad that ethnic Chinese are dying, it is encouraging that westerners are not dying.
Leave it to the Chinese to develop a Biological Weapon of Mass Destruction that kills only Chinese people. :bolt:
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Leave it to the Chinese to develop a Biological Weapon of Mass Destruction that kills only Chinese people. :bolt:
They may break Mao's record of 40 million.
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I really feel sorry for those onboard a cruise ship. Cruise ships are so germ infested anyhow; throw a virus in, in addition to all the bacteria that breeds aboard ship and you have a recipe for a major disaster onboard.
Coronavirus death toll tops 1,000 as more Americans diagnosed on quarantined ship
China confirmed a rise in the number of new coronavirus cases on Monday morning, quashing hopes after several days of declining infection rates that strict control measures could be paying off. By Monday evening, the death toll topped 1,000, more than were killed during the SARS virus outbreak in 2003.
The number of confirmed infections in mainland China rose 15% Sunday to at least 40,171. More than 300 cases have been confirmed outside China, including 12 in the U.S., and global health officials have warned that could be just "the tip of the iceberg" as they learn more about how easily the disease spreads.
Dozens of new cases were confirmed Monday on a quarantined cruise ship in Yokohama, Japan, meanwhile, including more Americans. The number of passengers already removed or soon to be removed from the Diamond Princess for treatment in Japanese hospitals stood at 135 Monday. That includes at least 23 American passengers, 11 of whom were among the 65 new cases confirmed Monday. Most of the 3,711 passengers and crew remained under isolation orders on the ship.......
https://www.cbsnews.com/live-updates/coronavirus-death-toll-infections-outbreak-evacuations-quarantine-latest-updates-2020-02-10/ (https://www.cbsnews.com/live-updates/coronavirus-death-toll-infections-outbreak-evacuations-quarantine-latest-updates-2020-02-10/)
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I really feel sorry for those onboard a cruise ship. Cruise ships are so germ infested anyhow; throw a virus in, in addition to all the bacteria that breeds aboard ship and you have a recipe for a major disaster onboard.
Coronavirus death toll tops 1,000 as more Americans diagnosed on quarantined ship
China confirmed a rise in the number of new coronavirus cases on Monday morning, quashing hopes after several days of declining infection rates that strict control measures could be paying off. By Monday evening, the death toll topped 1,000, more than were killed during the SARS virus outbreak in 2003.
The number of confirmed infections in mainland China rose 15% Sunday to at least 40,171. More than 300 cases have been confirmed outside China, including 12 in the U.S., and global health officials have warned that could be just "the tip of the iceberg" as they learn more about how easily the disease spreads.
Dozens of new cases were confirmed Monday on a quarantined cruise ship in Yokohama, Japan, meanwhile, including more Americans. The number of passengers already removed or soon to be removed from the Diamond Princess for treatment in Japanese hospitals stood at 135 Monday. That includes at least 23 American passengers, 11 of whom were among the 65 new cases confirmed Monday. Most of the 3,711 passengers and crew remained under isolation orders on the ship.......
https://www.cbsnews.com/live-updates/coronavirus-death-toll-infections-outbreak-evacuations-quarantine-latest-updates-2020-02-10/ (https://www.cbsnews.com/live-updates/coronavirus-death-toll-infections-outbreak-evacuations-quarantine-latest-updates-2020-02-10/)
Likely the quarantined ship may provide a small sample spectrum of susceptibility to the virus. There are those who seem to think westerners are less likely to die from the infection, but I think that may well be wishful thinking brought on by small samples.
Prayers up for the people on the plague ship. I hope none jump ship and start a new outbreak on shore.
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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51453848 (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51453848)
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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51453848 (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51453848)
I think we are now through two incubation cycles since breaking. If the Chicoms are forthcoming with their data.
Mortality rate is at 2-3%, significantly less than that of SARS which based on demographic approached generally 10%
If this trend holds, virus resists significantly mutating, and data is correct...... We are looking at disease not much different that normal flu. Some good news.
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Carnival cruise ship refused entry by fifth port due to coronavirus fears
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/482480-carnival-cruise-ship-refused-entry-by-fifth-port-due-to-coronavirus-fears
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Carnival cruise ship refused entry by fifth port due to coronavirus fears
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/482480-carnival-cruise-ship-refused-entry-by-fifth-port-due-to-coronavirus-fears
I imagine pier space is an issue...a bunch of vessels are taking up space in ports, sitting in quarantine already.
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Expert sees coronavirus over by April in China, WHO still alarmed
David Kirton, Stephanie Nebehay
GUANGZHOU, China/GENEVA (Reuters) - The coronavirus outbreak in China may be over by April, its senior medical adviser said on Tuesday, but deaths passed 1,000 and the World Health Organization feared a “very grave†global threat.
As the epidemic squeezed the world’s second-biggest economy, Chinese firms struggled to get back to work after the extended Lunar New Year holiday, hundreds of them saying they would need loans running into billions of dollars to stay afloat.
Company layoffs were beginning despite assurances by President Xi Jinping that widespread sackings would be avoided, as supply chains for global firms from car manufacturers to smartphone makers ruptured.
Read more at: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health/expert-sees-coronavirus-over-by-april-in-china-who-still-alarmed-idUSKBN20504Y (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health/expert-sees-coronavirus-over-by-april-in-china-who-still-alarmed-idUSKBN20504Y)
The virus will be called COVID-19:
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/11/world-health-organization-names-the-new-coronavirus-covid-19.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/11/world-health-organization-names-the-new-coronavirus-covid-19.html)
I believe Coronavirus is actually a generalized term, even SARS might have been a coronavirus. That's up to the experts, not me.
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The virus will be called COVID-19:
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/11/world-health-organization-names-the-new-coronavirus-covid-19.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/11/world-health-organization-names-the-new-coronavirus-covid-19.html)
I believe Coronavirus is actually a generalized term, even SARS might have been a coronavirus. That's up to the experts, not me.
Correct
https://www.who.int/health-topics/coronavirus (https://www.who.int/health-topics/coronavirus)
Coronaviruses (CoV) are a large family of viruses that cause illness ranging from the common cold to more severe diseases such as Middle East Respiratory Syndrome (MERS-CoV) and Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS-CoV). A novel coronavirus (nCoV) is a new strain that has not been previously identified in humans. ....
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I believe Coronavirus is actually a generalized term, even SARS might have been a coronavirus. That's up to the experts, not me.
Correct
https://www.who.int/health-topics/coronavirus (https://www.who.int/health-topics/coronavirus)
Coronaviruses (CoV) are a large family of viruses that cause illness ranging from the common cold to more severe diseases such as Middle East Respiratory Syndrome (MERS-CoV) and Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS-CoV). A novel coronavirus (nCoV) is a new strain that has not been previously identified in humans. ....
Yep. Many people think that all “common colds†are the result of a rhinovirus and that is the most common cause, but many other viruses cause what we think of as common colds including coronaviruses, adenoviruses and non-polio enteroviruses.
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China Stops Sales of Cough Medicine to Flush Out Coronavirus Patients
By Strange Sounds -Feb 11, 2020
https://strangesounds.org/2020/02/china-stops-sales-cough-medicine-flush-out-coronavirus-patients.html (https://strangesounds.org/2020/02/china-stops-sales-cough-medicine-flush-out-coronavirus-patients.html)
China is turning to potentially risky measures to track down more patients of a coronavirus outbreak that has killed at least 1,000 people.
They are now stopping the sales of cough medicine to flush out coronavirus patients as the number of infections from the new virus soared to cross 45,000 as of Monday (Feb. 10).
At least three Chinese cities announced in the past week that they would stop the sale of medicines for fever and cough, two of the major symptoms for the new virus, so that people will go to hospitals for treatment instead of self-medicating and staying home.
Other symptoms of the virus include muscle ache and shortness of breath, which can then progress to more severe respiratory distress.
Hangzhou, an eastern city of almost 10 million that is home to Alibaba and many other Chinese tech giants, announced on Friday (Feb. 7, link in Chinese) that on the advice of its coronavirus management team, all pharmacies in the city would stop selling fever and cough medications effective the next day.
The measure will apply as long as the city remains at the highest level of public health alert level. “Citizens with these symptoms should go to the hospital as soon as possible,†the notice said.
Following Hangzhou, Ningbo and Sanya (link in Chinese), two southern Chinese cities with a combined population of nearly 8.6 million, also announced over the weekend they would halt the sale of the two medicines, to better track and treat the coronavirus.
More at link.
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If you were on a cruise ship, boy I'll bet their business is in the cellar right now, even if you were cruising the Carribean. See article, even the cabins might present a problem:
Japan confirms 39 new coronavirus cases, 174 total on cruise ship
(https://i.cbc.ca/1.5460594.1581473905!/cpImage/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/16x9_780/japan-china-outbreak.jpg)Two people wave from the quarantined Diamond Princess cruise ship in Yokohama, near Tokyo, on Tuesday. Japan's Health Minister Katsunobu Kato said the government was considering testing everyone remaining on board and crew on the Diamond Princess, which would require them to remain aboard until results were available. (Jae C. Hong/The Associated Press)
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Article: https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/japan-confirms-39-new-coronavirus-cases-174-total-on-cruise-ship-1.5460576 (https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/japan-confirms-39-new-coronavirus-cases-174-total-on-cruise-ship-1.5460576)
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If you were on a cruise ship, boy I'll bet their business is in the cellar right now, even if you were cruising the Carribean. See article, even the cabins might present a problem:
If you are in an interior cabin then you are basically in a prison cell.
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Coronavirus evacuee in Texas diagnosed with virus, marking 15th case in US: CDC (https://www.foxnews.com/health/coronavirus-evacuee-texas-diagnosed-virus-15th-case-us-cdc)
An American evacuee who arrived on a State Department-chartered flight last week from Wuhan, China — the epicenter of the deadly coronavirus outbreak — is now the 15th confirmed case of the virus in the U.S., federal officials said on Thursday.
The patient, who was not identified, is one of the evacuees under federal quarantine at Lackland Air Force Base in San Antonio, Texas.
Excerpted, rest at the link: https://www.foxnews.com/health/coronavirus-evacuee-texas-diagnosed-virus-15th-case-us-cdc (https://www.foxnews.com/health/coronavirus-evacuee-texas-diagnosed-virus-15th-case-us-cdc)
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This is an epidemic with a potential to be a pandemic. All this 'under reporting' is harmful to the rest of the world. The other tragedy is going to be the affect on the economy; potentially a negative affect on the global economy....just in time for Trump's re-election would be my guess.
North Korea 'clearly lying' about coronavirus cases, expert says
The coronavirus has infected more than 60,000 people across 26 countries after first being discovered in China’s Hubei Province, and yet North Korea, which shares a border with the country where more than 59,000 of those cases and over 1,360 deaths have been reported, claims it does not have a single illness.
Unverified reports about a quarantined person allegedly being executed by the country after visiting a public bath have emerged, as well as a potential first confirmed case, but the government remains steadfast in denying that the virus has reached its borders, which many experts have cast doubt on.
“There is no way that North Korea is not being impacted by the coronavirus — they are clearly lying as they don’t want to show any weakness or that there is any threat to the regime,†Harry Kazianis, director of Korean Studies at the Center for National Interest, told Fox News. “Considering how there are many porous sections of the North Korea-China border — and how the Kim regime depends on illegal trade to survive — it is clear the virus has come to North Korea.â€
Last week, health ministry official Song In Bom told state media that there are no cases of the virus — which has been named COVID-19 by the World Health Organization (WHO) — in the country, but that they would be prepared in the event that the outbreak spread........
https://www.foxnews.com/health/north-korea-clearly-lying-coronavirus-cases-expert (https://www.foxnews.com/health/north-korea-clearly-lying-coronavirus-cases-expert)
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'Black swan' coronavirus to slam economy 10 times harder than hurricane
The accelerating spread of the coronavirus is taking an unexpected toll on the global economy, making it a black swan event, according to Alibaba CEO Daniel Zhang.
The number of new cases surged by more than 15,000 to at least 59,804 Thursday after Chinese authorities began using a new reporting method. Additionally, the death toll climbed by 254 to 1,367.
“The outbreak is having a significant impact on China’s economy and may potentially affect the global economy,†Zhang said on a company earnings call, explaining his use of the term "black swan," popularized in Nassim Taleb's book of the same name about catastrophes so unlikely they are completely unforeseen.
“The temporary hit from the virus outbreak should be about 10 times as large as the disruptions from a major U.S. hurricane,†wrote Zach Pandl, a strategist at Goldman Sachs. He says the virus’ outbreak, which has paralyzed economic activity in China, will reduce annualized global output by 2 percentage points.............
https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/coronavirus-black-swan-event-economy-impact (https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/coronavirus-black-swan-event-economy-impact)
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A new method of diagnosing COVID-19 cases brings total deaths from the outbreak to 1,362, while the total number of confirmed infections rose to 59,804
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/stock-index-futures-retreat-after-jump-in-number-of-coronavirus-cases-2020-02-13?mod=home-page (https://www.marketwatch.com/story/stock-index-futures-retreat-after-jump-in-number-of-coronavirus-cases-2020-02-13?mod=home-page)
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Watch: World Health Organization holds press conference on the coronavirus outbreak
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/13/watch-world-health-organization-holds-press-conference-on-the-coronavirus-outbreak.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/13/watch-world-health-organization-holds-press-conference-on-the-coronavirus-outbreak.html)
As of Thursday, more than 60,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported in over two dozen countries, resulting in least 1,300 deaths, almost exclusively in China. The WHO declared the virus a global health emergency last month, a rare designation that helps the international agency mobilize financial and political support to contain the outbreak.
The number of new cases of COVID-19 appeared to be stabilizing until Thursday, when a change in China’s methodology for determining the disease led to a spike in confirmed cases in Hubei province, the epicenter of the outbreak.
Health authorities in Hubei said Thursday that “clinically diagnosed†cases now count toward the “confirmed case†count. The change was made so a broader set of patients can receive the same treatment as someone with a confirmed case, according to a CNBC translation of the official announcement in Chinese....
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If anyone is interested, CNBC is broadcasting a daily 30 minute update at 6:00 pm central. Not sure if it is weekdays only or will continue through the weekend.
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FWIW, the current date for the lifting of the China travel ban is March 30. Obviously this is subject to alteration as the situation develops.
Also, as the lockdown in Chinese cities as continued past the time when household necessaries such as food would be consumed, some people are being allowed out of their homes to buy such necessaries. They are required to wear anti-viral masks.
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Also, as the lockdown in Chinese cities as continued past the time when household necessaries such as food would be consumed, some people are being allowed out of their homes to buy such necessaries. They are required to wear anti-viral masks.
Which, because of the central government's plan to destroy American manufacturers, are likely impossible to find in China, as they exported them all.
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Which, because of the central government's plan to destroy American manufacturers, are likely impossible to find in China, as they exported them all.
A week or two ago I saw that electronics contract manufacturer (e.g. iPhone) Foxconn was possibly going to start manufacturing masks. Some Chinese CMs have dubious quality (they treat production employees poorly and consequently have very high employee turn-over), but I think Foxconn has good quality.
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Canadian Research Officials Return From Geneva With Plan to Tackle Coronavirus
BY THE CANADIAN PRESS February 13, 2020 Updated: February 13, 2020
OTTAWA—Canada will aim $6.5 million at research on stopping the spread of the novel coronavirus, after co-ordinating with researchers around the world on tackling the outbreak.
Representatives of the Canadian Institutes of Health Research (CIHR) are returning from two days of talks with the international research community at a World Health Organization forum in Geneva, Switzerland.
There, more than 300 scientists and researchers mapped out a plan to answer the questions that linger about the virus and agreed on a set of research priorities.
Read more at: https://www.theepochtimes.com/canadian-research-officials-return-from-geneva-with-plan-to-tackle-coronavirus_3237122.html (https://www.theepochtimes.com/canadian-research-officials-return-from-geneva-with-plan-to-tackle-coronavirus_3237122.html)
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Sotiri Dimpinoudis
@sotiridi
Hazmats suits in the #US in San Diego in #California, after a person was confirmed with the #Coronavirus.
https://twitter.com/sotiridi/status/1228035053034274821
Reading this, it sounds like this is where they are taking people to be quarantined.
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BURNING THE EVIDENCE China accused of major coronavirus cover-up as chilling satellite pics ‘show extent of corpse burning in Wuhan’
The Sun by Patrick Knox 2/10/2020
https://www.the-sun.com/news/383407/china-accused-of-major-coronavirus-cover-up-as-chilling-satellite-pics-show-extent-of-corpse-burning-in-wuhan/ (https://www.the-sun.com/news/383407/china-accused-of-major-coronavirus-cover-up-as-chilling-satellite-pics-show-extent-of-corpse-burning-in-wuhan/)
HIGH sulphur dioxide levels in quarantined Wuhan and Chongqing could signal mass cremations, it’s been claimed.
Satellite maps in recent days have detected alarming levels of SO2 around Wuhan which is the epicentre of the outbreak.
The city of Chongqing, which is also under quarantine, also has high sulphur dioxide levels.
Scientists believe this is produced when bodies are cremated but also when medical waste is incinerated.
But some social media users who have probed the maps are convinced it is a sure sign of large numbers of dead bodies being burned on the outskirts of the city.
Chinese authorities have ordered that coronavirus victims should be cremated in low-key funerals and bans large public gatherings.
Earlier this month it was decreed that bodies should be “cremated close by and immediatelyâ€.
More at link
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Rule in the Time of Coronavirus
Lawrence Person's BattleSwarm Blog 2/13/2020
https://www.battleswarmblog.com/?p=43502 (https://www.battleswarmblog.com/?p=43502)
The cliché is that the Chinese ideogram for “crisis†combines “danger†and “opportunity.†(This is not entirely true.) It’s widely believed that the “real†infection and death rates in China are five to ten times higher than the official rates. (And the official rates jumped from around 45,000 to over 60,000 yesterday.) Much has been written about how the pandemic is a grave threat to China’s Communist leadership. Slow growth was already threatening the nation’s house-of-cards banking system, and the pandemic.
But Xi Jinping may also be thinking of it as an opportunity. Remember that Xi is part of political party that killed an estimated 65 million of its own people, and was happy to put a couple of million Uighers in concentration camps in order to reeducate them about their racial inferiority to the Chinese. They had to hold off tiananmening a few thousand Hong Kong activists only because too much of the world was watching and too much money is at stake.
But now? Now they’ve got tens of millions of people under quarantine, they’re reportedly burning thousands of bodies that died from the virus without reporting them, so many that they’re showing up on satellite photos mapping particulates. With the quarantine and even heavier than usual censorship, the communist government has ideal circumstances for score-settling and purging “subversive†elements.
More at link.
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California lab says it discovered coronavirus vaccine in 3 hours
Scientists are racing to get the vaccine on the market in record time
By Evie Fordham FOXBusiness
An American biotech company says it created a coronavirus vaccine three hours after getting access to the virus' genetic sequence in mid-January, and now scientists are racing to get the vaccine on the market in record time.
Inovio Pharmaceuticals is based in Pennsylvania, but scientists in its laboratory in San Diego made the discovery.
"We were able to rapidly construct our vaccine in a matter of about three hours once we had the DNA sequence from the virus available because of the power of our DNA medicine platform," Dr. J. Joseph Kim, Inovio's president and CEO, told FOX Business. "Our goal is to start phase one human testing in the U.S. early this summer."
- https://www.foxbusiness.com/technology/california-lab-coronavirus-vaccine-3-hours (https://www.foxbusiness.com/technology/california-lab-coronavirus-vaccine-3-hours)
So, we'll see how this goes. Take with a grain of salt but Fox Business saw it fit to publish.
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So, we'll see how this goes. Take with a grain of salt but Fox Business saw it fit to publish.
With the accounts of the virus mutating, a vaccine might be as effective as one against the common cold: sometimes good, sometimes ineffective. We'll see.
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EXPERT: Coronavirus Outbreak “Just Beginningâ€
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdPVJJbnL8E
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US to evacuate Americans from cruise ship in Japan
The U.S. will send a chartered flight to Japan this weekend to evacuate Americans quarantined on a cruise ship due to coronavirus cases on board, the U.S. Embassy in Tokyo announced Saturday.
More than 400 U.S. citizens have been among those quarantined on the Diamond Princess cruise ship in Japan since Feb. 5. The ship, which has more than 3,000 passengers, had the densest concentration of confirmed coronavirus cases outside of China at 218.
Though the ship was in quarantine for nearly two weeks to prevent the spread of the disease to mainland Japan, passengers on board feared it could put more of them at risk.
more
https://thehill.com/policy/international/asia-pacific/483223-us-to-evacuate-some-americans-from-cruise-ship-in-japan
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Cats are wearing coronavirus masks in China
As the deadly coronavirus outbreak continues to ravage the country, pet owners in China are putting on makeshift masks on their furry friends.
Photos on the Chinese social media app Weibo show pets – namely cats – wearing the makeshift masks, many of them made from traditional surgical masks. Owners are cutting holes in the material to accommodate the animal’s eyes while the rest of their face remains covered.
The photos of the new trend surfaced after China's National Health Commission said the coronavirus could affect cats and dogs, The Sun reported. But is it true pets can catch the novel coronavirus, known as COVID-19?
It’s not likely — according to the UC Davis School of Veterinary Medicine.
https://www.foxnews.com/health/cats-wearing-coronavirus-masks-china (https://www.foxnews.com/health/cats-wearing-coronavirus-masks-china)
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Cats are wearing coronavirus masks in China
As the deadly coronavirus outbreak continues to ravage the country, pet owners in China are putting on makeshift masks on their furry friends.
Photos on the Chinese social media app Weibo show pets – namely cats – wearing the makeshift masks, many of them made from traditional surgical masks. Owners are cutting holes in the material to accommodate the animal’s eyes while the rest of their face remains covered.
The photos of the new trend surfaced after China's National Health Commission said the coronavirus could affect cats and dogs, The Sun reported. But is it true pets can catch the novel coronavirus, known as COVID-19?
It’s not likely — according to the UC Davis School of Veterinary Medicine.
https://www.foxnews.com/health/cats-wearing-coronavirus-masks-china (https://www.foxnews.com/health/cats-wearing-coronavirus-masks-china)
Photos in article of cats wearing masks.
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State Department will evacuate Americans from cruise ship, first death confirmed in Europe
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/15/coronavirus-live-updates-china-reports-143-more-deaths-2641-new-cases.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/15/coronavirus-live-updates-china-reports-143-more-deaths-2641-new-cases.html)
CNBC 2/14/2020
• China’s National Health Commission reported an additional 143 deaths nationwide, as well as 2,641 new confirmed cases as of Feb. 14. That brings the total number of confirmed cases in the country to 66,492, and number of total deaths at 1,523, the authority said.
• A Chinese tourist has died of the virus in France, confirming the first coronavirus fatality in Europe.
• The U.S. State Department will evacuate its citizens and their families who are onboard the Diamond Princess cruise ship off Japan that has been quarantined for almost two weeks.
• White House trade advisor Peter Navarro told Fox Business Network on Friday night Eastern time that testing and production of a coronavirus drug could start as soon as late February.
More at link,
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'This is the virus I fear the most': British scientist leading coronavirus fight says it's 'not absurd' to forecast 400,000 UK fatalities as world-wide death toll surges past 1,500
Daily Mail by Danyal Hussain and Ryan Fahey 2/14/2020
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8005931/British-scientist-leading-coronavirus-fight-says-forecasts-400-000-UK-deaths.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8005931/British-scientist-leading-coronavirus-fight-says-forecasts-400-000-UK-deaths.html)
• Scientist Professor Neil Ferguson is leading the fight against the virus in the UK
• Ferguson said it was unhelpful to throw numbers around but 400k isn't 'absurd'
• He also added that he would rather overreact than be accused of under reacting
• The global death toll from the virus has now passed 1,500, with 66,000 infected
The British scientist leading the fight against coronavirus admitted last night that predictions of 400,000 UK deaths are 'not absurd'.
Professor Neil Ferguson, of the School of Public Health at Imperial College London, revealed that 'this is the one I'm scared of' when asked about the killer coronavirus, which is causing increasing alarm all over the country.
However, he insisted he was not predicting 400,000 deaths, but was warning that the figure 'is possible'. He said he would rather and adding that he'd 'prefer to be accused of overreacting than under reacting'.
Research indicates that 60 per cent of Britons could be affected by the virus, formally known as COVID-19.
Professor Ferguson added: 'Our best estimates at the moment is that maybe one per cent of people who get infected might die.'
It comes as it was revealed that the government is working on the assumption that half of the population will be infected with the virus, which could reach every part of Britain within months.
More at link.
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Coronavirus expert says he knows when the virus 'will burn itself out,' according to leaked analysis
By Mark Puleo, AccuWeather 2/12/2020
https://www.accuweather.com/en/health-wellness/coronavirus-expert-says-the-virus-will-burn-itself-out-in-about-6-months/679415 (https://www.accuweather.com/en/health-wellness/coronavirus-expert-says-the-virus-will-burn-itself-out-in-about-6-months/679415)
With the overall death toll climbing each day, but the daily death toll showing signs of subsiding, fear and uncertainty have spread farther and farther around the globe as the novel coronavirus continues to captivate the world’s attention. However, John Nicholls, a pathology professor at the University of Hong Kong, says he knows when the virus will become inactive.
"Three things the virus does not like: 1. Sunlight, 2. Temperature, and 3. Humidity," Nicholls said in response to a question about when he thinks confirmed cases will peak.
"Sunlight will cut the virus' ability to grow in half so the half-life will be 2.5 minutes and in the dark it's about 13 to 20 [minutes]," Nicholls said. "Sunlight is really good at killing viruses."
"The virus can remain intact at 4 degrees (39 degrees Fahrenheit) or 10 degrees (50 F) for a longer period of time," Nicholls said, referring to Celsius measurements, according to the transcript. "But at 30 degrees (86 degrees F) then you get inactivation. And high humidity -- the virus doesn't like it either," he added, the transcript of the call showed.
More at link.
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Coronavirus expert says he knows when the virus 'will burn itself out,' according to leaked analysis
By Mark Puleo, AccuWeather 2/12/2020
https://www.accuweather.com/en/health-wellness/coronavirus-expert-says-the-virus-will-burn-itself-out-in-about-6-months/679415 (https://www.accuweather.com/en/health-wellness/coronavirus-expert-says-the-virus-will-burn-itself-out-in-about-6-months/679415)
So global warming is a good thing...who knew?
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So global warming is a good thing...who knew?
It has to happen first.
There was an article posted early around here that the Chinese initially reported the mortality rate at 17%. They quickly walked that back to around the world average. For the average flu season. Around 2%.
I have the feeling it is more than 2%.
Climate forecast around here is for a cold spring.
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Egypt announces first Coronavirus infection
CAIRO – 14 February 2020: Egypt’s Health Ministry announced, Friday first Coronavirus infection for a ‘Chinese’ national in Egypt.
Spokesperson for the Health Ministry Khaled Megahed said that the laboratory tests which were conducted for the suspected case at Cairo International Airport, resulted in a positive virus, however no symptoms appears on the infected person.
Cairo (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=5&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjcoeDtvNTnAhVOsZ4KHZGdDKAQFjAEegQIAhAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.egypttoday.com%2FArticle%2F1%2F81641%2FEgypt-announces-first-Coronavirus-infection&usg=AOvVaw1q4nxQE1ZdUW-5LU-i2n4x)
Draconian measures. This could be an interesting test to see how well this can be contained in a city outside of China that is densely populated and filthy.
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The CDC has nearly 400 people in 37 states “under investigation†for having the virus, which can cause severe acute respiratory illness, septic shock and multi-organ failure.
Confirmed cases of the coronavirus have been found in Arizona, California, Illinois, Massachusetts, Washington and Wisconsin, according to the agency.
Supposedly reports are that the coronavirus doesn't survive well in the heat and humidity? Arizona isn't exactly a cold climate -- dry, yes, cold, no.
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It's not quite the summer yet. Or even spring.
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Exclusive: Chinese doctors say Wuhan coronavirus reinfection even deadlier
Instead of creating immunity the virus can reportedly reinfect an individual and hasten fatal heart attack
By Jules Quartly, Taiwan News, Contributing Writer
2020/02/14 15:02TAIPEI (Taiwan News) — It’s possible to get infected by the novel coronavirus (COVID-19) a second time, according to doctors on the frontline in China’s city of Wuhan, leading to death from heart failure in some cases.
The claim is made by doctors working in the Hubei Province capital that is at the center of the epidemic, which has to date infected 64,201 people and killed 1,487. One of the doctors reached out to a relative living in the United Kingdom, who then informed Taiwan News.
Both the relative and doctors asked to remain anonymous, out of consideration they might face retribution from the Chinese authorities. ...
More at Taiwan News (https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3876197)
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@mountaineer
Yay! The gift that keeps on giving.
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Is anyone else scared poopless over this thing?
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BNO Newsroom
@BNODesk
Hubei province announcement:
- Residential communities on lockdown
- Residents should not go out unless it's necessary
- Use of private vehicles is banned
- Non-essential public places closed
- Mass gatherings banned
- Supermarkets, pharmacies and other essential places are open
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So, what else would one expect.
2%, let's even say 4%, would demonstrate overwhelming survival over the illness.
Hysteria? Yes, there always is with these things, containment is important.
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Is anyone else scared poopless over this thing?
Hundreds of millions of Chinese.
Hope that helps.
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Is anyone else scared poopless over this thing?
I wouldn't say "scared poopless", but I am watching what develops.
I am concerned. I have close relatives far away from where I live, in more populous areas whose risk of exposure is significantly greater than mine might be, but at the same time, I work in an industry which has people rotate in and out, who often come from far away to work here. SO that lack of large numbers of people here is only one vector removed from not existing.
While I am reasonably sure that the numbers coming out of China do not reflect the severity of the outbreak, the question is one of how great is that disparity. Estimates range from simple under counting for clinical reasons to the more apocalyptic scenarios, but the bottom line is that the casualty figures we see are the minimum, and likely not accurate.
From other nations where confirmed cases have been noted, we have yet to have a statistically significant sample to estimate the impact. Public Health agencies worldwide are working to contain the virus, and that at least means that the threat (such as it is) is recognized, that active measures are being taken to limit its spread, that people are hunting for some sort of countermeasures beyond quarantine and care. That quarantines exist at least indicates this disease is being taken seriously at the levels of government where something might be able to be done about it.
Personally, I'd much rather find that extreme measures were taken to contain a virus that was no more deadly than, say, the seasonal influenza, than have something much more deadly that wasn't recognized as a threat.
For now, we wait, follow good hygiene (washing hands frequently, especially before eating, and which remains a good first line of defense against infection from virii left on surfaces which may still be viable.) If you can pull it off, wear gloves (It's winter) when you are out, that might help, too.
We live in a day and age when much business and a lot of human interactions are not conducted face to face, but electronically, and that may well help retard the spread of disease..
Above all, I trust in Our Creator to keep us safe, that all these lights from afar that appear on my screen daily stay lit, and that the people behind them stay healthy.
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@Gefn @Smokin Joe
The report above of the risk of reinfection raises my concern level.
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@Gefn @Smokin Joe
The report above of the risk of reinfection raises my concern level.
Yes. Usually we develop antibodies and some resistance. If that isn't happening, it may indicate the virus is mutating and the new form is what 'reinfects' patients. As I recall, the Spanish Flu (1918) had three separate waves over a year, and each was a little different. This may be similar.
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Yes. Usually we develop antibodies and some resistance. If that isn't happening, it may indicate the virus is mutating and the new form is what 'reinfects' patients. As I recall, the Spanish Flu (1918) had three separate waves over a year, and each was a little different. This may be similar.
Reposting this link from page 8. From John Hopkins
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6 (https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6)
If you do the math on the reported death toll compared to the reported cases recovered mortality is running at (16.93) 17%.
Which is what was reported here (posted by @rangerrebew):
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,391093.0.html (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,391093.0.html)
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The reports that this virus was bio engineered I believe and raises my concerns. Only those that engineered this virus knows its potential along with some in the Chinese government. They aren't going to reveal that information, nor are they going to report the true numbers.
Not trying to make a conspiracy theory here but this virus is taking its toll right around the roll out of the tariffs that have been imposed on them. Coincidental, but does raise some suspicion.
What is also concerning is, in spite of all the precautions taken, the number of healthcare workers who have contracted the virus. In pictures it appears that they are wearing hazmat suits...yet the virus still is reaching them.
Over 1,700 frontline medics infected with coronavirus in China, presenting new crisis for the government
https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/13/asia/coronavirus-health-care-workers-infected-intl-hnk/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/13/asia/coronavirus-health-care-workers-infected-intl-hnk/index.html)
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The reports that this virus was bio engineered I believe and raises my concerns. Only those that engineered this virus knows its potential along with some in the Chinese government. They aren't going to reveal that information, nor are they going to report the true numbers.
Not trying to make a conspiracy theory here but this virus is taking its toll right around the roll out of the tariffs that have been imposed on them. Coincidental, but does raise some suspicion.
What is also concerning is, in spite of all the precautions taken, the number of healthcare workers who have contracted the virus. In pictures it appears that they are wearing hazmat suits...yet the virus still is reaching them.
Over 1,700 frontline medics infected with coronavirus in China, presenting new crisis for the government
https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/13/asia/coronavirus-health-care-workers-infected-intl-hnk/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/13/asia/coronavirus-health-care-workers-infected-intl-hnk/index.html)
It is far, FAR easier for me to believe that this is a "bioweapon" designed, by the Chinese, to target Asians (Chinese) and that it was intentionally leaked by a disgruntled worker before they had a vaccine than anything coming through the CCP's lying teeth.
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10 gross habits people have that make it more likely a virus will spread
As the Wuhan coronavirus spreads far beyond China's borders to countries around the world, here are common tendencies to avoid
Susan Ramsay
Published: 8:00pm, 28 Jan, 2020
1. Not washing your hands. Scientists will tell you this is the easiest thing people can do to stop the spread of disease.
2. Not covering your nose and mouth when you cough or sneeze – or covering and then not washing your hands.
grossgross
gross
There is no cure for the new coronavirus which originated in Wuhan, China - but the same is true of the common cold. However, there are definitely things that lots of people do which make it more likely you'll pick up similar diseases. Stop these bad habits, and know that you’re doing your part to stop spreading infections.
1. Not washing your hands. Scientists will tell you this is the easiest thing people can do to stop the spread of disease.
2. Not covering your nose and mouth when you cough or sneeze – or covering and then not washing your hands.
3. Picking your nose or popping pimples in public. An awful amount of germs live in and on human bodies, and are easily spread. Touching bodily secretions and then dabbing fingers over common surfaces helps germs to spread.
Read more at: https://www.scmp.com/better-life/well-being/article/3047540/10-gross-habits-make-it-more-likely-youll-spread-virus (https://www.scmp.com/better-life/well-being/article/3047540/10-gross-habits-make-it-more-likely-youll-spread-virus)
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@bigheadfred @libertybele
Coronavirus may have actually started in secret Wuhan lab just 280m from wet market
A journal highlighted the close link of bats and the coronavirus-like pathogens after researchers were attacked by bats in secret labs just a stone's throw away from the notorious wet market in Wuhan where it has been thought up to now the virus originated
ByTiffany Lo
02:34, 16 FEB 2020
The spread of the deadly coronavirus could be linked to a secret laboratory where researchers have been attacked by bats, Chinese virus experts claim.
While the Chinese government said the outbreak started inside a wet market in Wuhan, scientists from South China University of Technology in Guangzhou said the possible origin of the virus could be from Wuhan Center for Disease Control (WCDC).
Scholars Botao Xiao and Lei Xiao published a research journal titled 'The possible origins of 2019-nCoV coronavirus' on Research Gate, where they claimed WCDC 'hosted animals in laboratories for research purposes', including 605 bats captured in the Hubei and Zhejiang provinces.
The report mentioned one researcher, known as JH Tian, 'was once attacked by bats' and that 'the blood of bat was on his skin'. ...
More at Mirror (U.K.) (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/coronavirus-actually-started-secret-wuhan-21506739)
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@bigheadfred @libertybele More at Mirror (U.K.) (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/coronavirus-actually-started-secret-wuhan-21506739)
This sounds very likely.
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This sounds very likely.
Hmmmm...
He "self quarantined" for 28 days? In his house? What happened after the 28 days?
He had blood of bat in him? Or it peed on him?
It mentions these bats are carriers. He is handling them in this type of facility without protective gear?
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Reposting this link from page 8. From John Hopkins
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6 (https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6)
If you do the math on the reported death toll compared to the reported cases recovered mortality is running at (16.93) 17%.
Which is what was reported here (posted by @rangerrebew):
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,391093.0.html (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,391093.0.html)
Those Johns Hopkins numbers are interesting (**if** they are accurate).
Such a big contrast between Hubei and the other areas. Hubei has had 5666 patients recover and 1896 deaths. For every three patients that recover there is one who dies. The other areas have had hundreds recover and only a handful of deaths. Take Hunan, for instance. 464 recoveries but only 3 deaths. Hubei is overwhelmed, but the other areas where the infection has spread seem to be doing a much better job at addressing the situation.
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Those Johns Hopkins numbers are interesting (**if** they are accurate).
Such a big contrast between Hubei and the other areas. Hubei has had 5666 patients recover and 1896 deaths. For every three patients that recover there is one who dies. The other areas have had hundreds recover and only a handful of deaths. Take Hunan, for instance. 464 recoveries but only 3 deaths. Hubei is overwhelmed, but the other areas where the infection has spread seem to be doing a much better job at addressing the situation.
I think all the numbers are inaccurate. Can't prove it. I simply don't trust the CCP to tell the truth.
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Found this story. Gives a clearer picture than the Mirror article. @mountaineer @libertybele
Coronavirus bombshell: ‘REAL cause’ of outbreak claim - Chinese scientists break cover
BOMBSHELL (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=7&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwii-an589bnAhXDtp4KHXkBD24QFjAGegQICBAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fnytimespost.com%2Fcoronavirus-bombshell-real-cause-of-outbreak-claim-chinese-scientists-break-cover%2F&usg=AOvVaw1fLwdFNUbKiNzmBkB0hC6N)
The expert who studied the collection of bats at the laboratory had described how he was once “attacked by bats and the blood of a bat shot onto his skinâ€.
The paper added: “He knew the extreme danger of the infection so he quarantined himself for fourteen days.
“In another accident, he quarantined himself again because bats urinated on him.â€
~snip~
It is alleged in the findings the principal investigator from that laboratory had been developing a project which generated a chimeric virus using the SARS-CoV in a technique of genetic engineering called the reverse genetics method.
The paper speculates ARS-CoV or its genetically modified derivative might have leaked from the laboratory.
The scientists said: “In summary, somebody was entangled with the evolution of 2019-nCoV coronavirus.
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Those Johns Hopkins numbers are interesting (**if** they are accurate).
Such a big contrast between Hubei and the other areas. Hubei has had 5666 patients recover and 1896 deaths. For every three patients that recover there is one who dies. The other areas have had hundreds recover and only a handful of deaths. Take Hunan, for instance. 464 recoveries but only 3 deaths. Hubei is overwhelmed, but the other areas where the infection has spread seem to be doing a much better job at addressing the situation.
Thanks for your post. I looked at the website just now. It looked hinky in the numbers. I was trying to remember the death/recovery amount. It looked to me like the total death count hadn't changed, but the number recovered had jumped several thousand. And then I reread your post.
According to your post the number of deaths in Hubei was 1896 deaths. The number of total deaths is now at 1868. Looks like 28 dead people got better.
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Thanks for your post. I looked at the website just now. It looked hinky in the numbers. I was trying to remember the death/recovery amount. It looked to me like the total death count hadn't changed, but the number recovered had jumped several thousand. And then I reread your post.
According to your post the number of deaths in Hubei was 1896 deaths. The number of total deaths is now at 1868. Looks like 28 dead people got better.
@bigheadfred
You said “looks like 28 dead people got betterâ€
Which reminds me of an old Monty Python sketch
Man 1: “Bring out your deadâ€
Man 2: “I’m not dead yetâ€
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@bigheadfred
You said “looks like 28 dead people got betterâ€
Which reminds me of an old Monty Python sketch
Man 1: “Bring out your deadâ€
Man 2: “I’m not dead yetâ€
I saw a report that Viet Nam has put a village of 10,000 people under quarantine with 6 new cases there. The first 'city' outside of China to be put under quarantine. Worried? I think people are worried.
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I saw a report that Viet Nam has put a village of 10,000 people under quarantine with 6 new cases there. The first 'city' outside of China to be put under quarantine. Worried? I think people are worried.
People should be very worried and start preparing now, not later. The virus has now infected 71,000 and those are just the cases reported and confirmed.
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People should be very worried and start preparing now, not later. The virus has now infected 71,000 and those are just the cases reported and confirmed.
There seems to be a lack of reporting around the world and a lack of concern by governments. Either there is no need to worry or they are waiting for the storm to break. Since there are now cases around the world that didn't originate directly from China this can be called a pandemic.
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It is unknown how long the virus can survive on surfaces. WHO is saying a few hours or more. Few hours? I declare b.s. The common cold virus can last up to 7 days and the common flu virus can last up to 24 hours. IF it only lasts a couple of hours on surfaces, then why are they holding the money after its been 'laundered' for 14 days?
The WHO and the CDC by downplaying this virus is going to kill more people than its going to help.
China Begins Disinfecting Cash in an Attempt to Contain Coronavirus
China is now cracking down on dirty money as it works to contain the coronavirus outbreak.
On Friday, the Chinese government announced in a press release that banks can only release money back into the public after undergoing a disinfectant treatment intended to eliminate the coronavirus.
The initiative specifies that cash withdrawn from hospitals and other high-risk areas be “specially treated and sealed separately.†Treatment may include high temperatures or an ultraviolet light to disinfect the currency, which must then be stored for no less than 14 days before going back on the market.
According to the World Health Organization, it is unknown how long the coronavirus can survive on surfaces, though “preliminary information suggests the virus may survive a few hours or more.â€
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/china-begins-disinfecting-cash-attempt-203232682.html (https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/china-begins-disinfecting-cash-attempt-203232682.html)
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@libertybele
I saw another report that a girl came down with it hard after a 14 day quarantine. Day 15.
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It is unknown how long the virus can survive on surfaces. WHO is saying a few hours or more. Few hours? I declare b.s. The common cold virus can last up to 7 days and the common flu virus can last up to 24 hours. IF it only lasts a couple of hours on surfaces, then why are they holding the money after its been 'laundered' for 14 days? ...
...The analysis of 22 studies reveals that human coronaviruses such as Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS) coronavirus, Middle East Respiratory Syndrome (MERS) coronavirus or endemic human coronaviruses (HCoV) can persist on inanimate surfaces like metal, glass or plastic for up to 9 days, but can be efficiently inactivated by surface disinfection procedures with 62-71% ethanol, 0.5% hydrogen peroxide or 0.1% sodium hypochlorite within 1 minute....
https://www.journalofhospitalinfection.com/article/S0195-6701(20)30046-3/fulltext (https://www.journalofhospitalinfection.com/article/S0195-6701(20)30046-3/fulltext)
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@libertybele
I saw another report that a girl came down with it hard after a 14 day quarantine. Day 15.
@bigheadfred that definitely is concerning. How IF this virus is similar to the Hep C virus where it can lie dormant in some people for years?
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Coronavirus Live Updates: Over 150 Million Chinese Are Under Coronavirus Lockdown
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/18/world/asia/china-coronavirus.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/18/world/asia/china-coronavirus.html)
More than 10 percent of the country’s population faces restrictions on how often they can leave their homes.
Here’s what you need to know:
Half of China’s population is facing new travel restrictions.
Japan announced 88 more cruise ship cases.
The new virus is deadlier than the one that causes the flu.
The director of a hospital in Wuhan has died from the virus.
HSBC will cut 35,000 jobs amid virus and protests.
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A Dean Koontz book from 1981 predicted coronavirus in bizarre coincidence
Author Dean Koontz eerily predicted the coronavirus outbreak in his 1981 thriller "The Eyes of Darkness."
The fictional novel tells the story of a Chinese military lab that creates a new virus to potentially use as a biological weapon during wartime. The lab is ironically located in Wuhan, China and the made-up virus is called Wuhan-400.
In the novel, the virus is called the "perfect weapon" because it only affects humans. It also cannot survive outside the human body for more than a minute and does not require an expensive decontamination process once it spreads through a population and those who contract it.
https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/dean-koontz-book-predicted-coronavirus (https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/dean-koontz-book-predicted-coronavirus)
(https://goodyfeed.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/wuhan-400.jpg)
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Interesting. Koontz's novels have a lot of things we once might have thought fantastic, now they make me wonder whether they're already here.
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My daughter's university, which has students from (and stuck in) all over the world looks to be ready to start the semester via online classes.
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My daughter's university, which has students from (and stuck in) all over the world looks to be ready to start the semester via online classes.
Does that work for her? I think she was most fortunate to have been state-side when the crisis hit...
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Coronavirus 20 times more lethal than the flu? Death toll approaches 2,000
The director of a Chinese hospital at the epicenter of the coronavirus outbreak became one of its victims Tuesday despite "all-out" efforts to save his life, Chinese health officials said.
The death came the same day Chinese officials released data indicating the new virus could be 20 times more lethal than the flu.
Liu Zhiming, president of Wuhan Wuchang Hospital in Hubei province, died of coronavirus-related pneumonia, China Daily reported. The hospital, one of the seven designated for the epidemic in Wuhan, treated thousands of people a day.
Liu, 51, was a leading figure in neurosurgery, the newspaper said. The Wuhan Municipal Health Commission said Liu made “important contributions in the work of fighting and controlling†the virus, known as COVID-19..............
https://www.yahoo.com/news/chinese-hospital-director-dies-coronavirus-143132063.html (https://www.yahoo.com/news/chinese-hospital-director-dies-coronavirus-143132063.html)
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@bigheadfred that definitely is concerning. How IF this virus is similar to the Hep C virus where it can lie dormant in some people for years?
I don't know about dormancy, but this doesn't look good. This is two weeks old and maybe already posted.
‘Striking’ coronavirus mutations found within one family cluster, Chinese scientists say
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3048772/striking-coronavirus-mutations-found-within-one-family-cluster (https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3048772/striking-coronavirus-mutations-found-within-one-family-cluster)
Viruses mutate all the time, but most changes are synonymous or “silentâ€, having little effect on the way the virus behaves. Others, known as nonsynonymous substitutions, can alter biological traits, allowing them to adapt to different environments.
Two nonsynonymous changes took place in the viral strains isolated from the family, according to a new study by Professor Cui Jie and colleagues at the Institut Pasteur of Shanghai.
~snip~
Cui’s team also detected a total of 17 nonsynonymous mutations from cases around the country between December 30 and late January, they wrote.
More at link.
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Does that work for her? I think she was most fortunate to have been state-side when the crisis hit...
The textbook she would be using is in China, but if it can be made available in pdf, it'll probably work.
She was very fortunate in leaving right after her semester ended, before the virus started circulating much beyond Wuhan. She took a regional flight from Xining to Xian (a province away from Wuhan), and then Xian to LAX.
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Listening to Glenn Beck -- on coronavirus. They had researcher go over to China and records were sketchy, however they spoke to a crematory and others and by the stats, there are appx. 350,000 infected and by the stats it is estimated that 40% of the worlds population may die from this virus = 65,000,000. I though perhaps I had heard incorrectly, but he repeated the information. This virus may be stalled during the summer months; however, it is a type of a flu virus and will return much like the flu viruses we fight every year.
He has a special tonight on the coronavirus on Blaze TV @ 9:00. I'm thinking of subscribing as it touches on what governments are doing in relationship to the virus.
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When will the coronavirus outbreak peak?
Officials want to know but predictions vary wildly, from now to after hundreds of millions of people are infected.
.............So far, more than 70,000 people have been confirmed to have the disease, now known as COVID-19, in China. But many scientists assume that the number of cases is higher than is being reported. They suspect that China has too few diagnostic tests and health-care workers to confirm all cases. Some scientists also wonder whether Zhong is just trying to reassure people, given the outbreak’s impact on the economy and society...........
....... People in most Chinese cities started returning to work last week after an extended public-holiday period — opening up the possibility of new chains of transmission, says Hiroshi Nishiura, an epidemiologist at Hokkaido University in Sapporo, Japan.
Nishiura says he has used a model that estimates that the outbreak will peak sometime between late March and late May. At this point, he says, up to 2.3 million cases will be diagnosed in a single day. In total, he estimates that between 550 million and 650 million people across China will be infected, roughly 40% of the country’s population. Nishiura says that about half of those people will show symptoms...........
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00361-5 (https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00361-5)
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The facts of Corona virus in Diamond Princess by Kentaro Iwata
www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjGEGMLs4TE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjGEGMLs4TE#)
A summary for those who can’t or don’t want to watch the video
https://qz.com/1804615/japanese-expert-on-chaotic-coronavirus-infection-control-on-diamond-princess/ (https://qz.com/1804615/japanese-expert-on-chaotic-coronavirus-infection-control-on-diamond-princess/)
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LA Monitors 1,000 People For Coronavirus Symptoms
LAX is one of 11 U.S. airport's accepting travelers from China, and the county is monitoring 1,000 who have been asked to "self-isolate."
Other reports are that there are a total of over 5,400 self-isolating in CA.
So, in other words these people are free to roam around and come and go as they please with the potential of widely spreading this virus in the U.S.!!!
https://patch.com/california/pacificpalisades/la-monitors-1-000-people-coronavirus-symptoms (https://patch.com/california/pacificpalisades/la-monitors-1-000-people-coronavirus-symptoms)
https://www.wsj.com/articles/coronavirus-has-u-s-cities-stretching-to-monitor-self-quarantined-americans-11582108203 (https://www.wsj.com/articles/coronavirus-has-u-s-cities-stretching-to-monitor-self-quarantined-americans-11582108203)
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The linked Patch.com article indicates the people in LA County are not "free to roam around and come and go as they please":
LOS ANGELES, CA — Los Angeles County public health nurses are closely monitoring all residents who recently traveled to mainland China, regardless of whether they have any symptoms of the coronavirus, the county's top health official said Tuesday.
More than 1,000 people fall into that category and each has been assigned a public health nurse and asked to self-isolate and not to go to work or school for 14 days, Department of Public Health Director Barbara Ferrer told the Board of Supervisors.
BTW, the Patch.com article is dated 2/11, over a week ago. With all the delays in collecting information, writing, and publishing, many of these 1000 people are nearing or past the 14 days period.
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The linked Patch.com article indicates the people in LA County are not "free to roam around and come and go as they please":
BTW, the Patch.com article is dated 2/11, over a week ago. With all the delays in collecting information, writing, and publishing, many of these 1000 people are nearing or past the 14 days period.
That's that, and then there was a report of a girl who became symptomatic with the virus on day 15.
Regardless of the time frame, the point is that there are over 5,000 people in the CA area who are self-isolating. That's ridiculous -- that's like telling someone who is under house arrest to stay put without any 'checks' in place to make sure that they adhere to staying put.
5,000 people that could potentially pass the virus to someone else is the way that I'm looking at this.
As I mentioned in a previous post, the research the Glenn Beck has done and I also posted another report -- the true estimate is 350,0000 people have been infected, it is estimated that 65,000,000 could become infected before this virus peaks with a 40% (conservatively) death rate. This is a flu virus so it will return every year. I don't see that letting 5,000 people in the U.S. self isolate as a responsible move by our government to prevent an epidemic here.
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As I mentioned in a previous post, the research the Glenn Beck has done and I also posted another report -- the true estimate is 350,0000 people have been infected, it is estimated that 65,000,000 could become infected before this virus peaks with a 40% (conservatively) death rate. This is a flu virus so it will return every year. I don't see that letting 5,000 people in the U.S. self isolate as a responsible move by our government to prevent an epidemic here.
65 Million people, with 40% death rate = 26 Million dead people. A thing like that might be hard to cover up, outside of China.
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I think most of the people I know don’t think this is serious or that it will come to this country.
I personally pray it will just stop because these projected death tolls are beyond scary.
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The official numbers for coronavirus right now are:
75,308 diagnosed worldwide
2,014 dead worldwide (2.67% mortality rate)
74,191 diagnosed in China
2,006 dead in China (2.70% mortality rate)
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
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I think most of the people I know don’t think this is serious or that it will come to this country.
I personally pray it will just stop because these projected death tolls are beyond scary.
The virus is never going to stop unless they can figure out how to completely eradicate the flu virus. This virus is a type of flu virus. It will peak as all flu viruses do and then it will return the following year just like the flu that we've been experiencing for decades. It's already here in this country -- over 5,000 have been asked to self-isolate. Also realize that the screening/temperature checks at the airport are ineffective.
The World Health Organization and the Center for Disease Control have downplayed the severity of this virus. The U.S. seems to be downplaying this as well ... why? To control panic perhaps?
Ten passengers flew into US airports on commercial airliners and were later diagnosed with coronavirus.
Four of those 10 passengers went through temperature checks and were found not to have a fever or any other symptoms of the virus. Two of those passengers flew into Los Angeles International Airport and two flew into San Francisco International Airport. Previously, a CDC spokesperson had told CNN that two of the passengers were symptomatic during flight, but the spokesperson later said they were asymptomatic while flying.
Another four out of the 10 passengers were not screened because they flew into airports that did not have screening at the time. Those cases are in Illinois, Washington state, Massachusetts and California.
It's unclear whether the final two passengers went through temperature checks because health officials at the CDC and in Wisconsin and Arizona refused to say when asked by CNN.
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The official numbers for coronavirus right now are:
75,308 diagnosed worldwide
2,014 dead worldwide (2.67% mortality rate)
74,191 diagnosed in China
2,006 dead in China (2.70% mortality rate)
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Those are the "official numbers". The true numbers are; over 350,000 infected and that number is expected to grow to 65,000,000 -- 40% of those people will die.
Glenn Beck has done research and is reporting in depth on the coronavirus tonight on Blaze TV @ 9:00 -- you can watch with a 30 day trial subscription.
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65 Million people, with 40% death rate = 26 Million dead people. A thing like that might be hard to cover up, outside of China.
Yes. The figure is staggering. I am skeptical. It used to seem that Beck went off the 'rails' sometimes but it always seems to turn out later on that he is correct. So, I'm more apt to believe him at this point in time especially with all the massive corruption taking place around the globe.
I'm going to watch tonight (free trail subscription) he's giving an in depth report on what his team has researched and what the governments are and aren't doing.
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Those are the "official numbers". The true numbers are; over 350,000 infected and that number is expected to grow to 65,000,000 -- 40% of those people will die.
Glenn Beck has done research and is reporting in depth on the coronavirus tonight on Blaze TV @ 9:00 -- you can watch with a 30 day trial subscription.
I'm a bit confused...if the mortality rate so far is 2.7% or so, then why is it expected to jump to 40%? Am I reading something incorrectly?
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I'm a bit confused...if the mortality rate so far is 2.7% or so, then why is it expected to jump to 40%? Am I reading something incorrectly?
Those are the "official" numbers as to what is being reported by the WHO and the Chinese government. I don't know about you, but I tend to think that the Chinese are not being truthful (imagine that) nor is the WHO.
According to Beck's research and I posted another source besides him with a link in a previous post that their figures are indicating 350,000 now infected, etc.
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Those are the "official" numbers as to what is being reported by the WHO and the Chinese government. I don't know about you, but I tend to think that the Chinese are not being truthful (imagine that) nor is the WHO.
According to Beck's research and I posted another source besides him with a link in a previous post that their figures are indicating 350,000 now infected, etc.
And this is why seeing how it does in some other countries will be important...as mentioned in previous posts:
As Cases Mount, Japan Is Rapidly Becoming a Coronavirus Hotbed
Gearoid Reidy Bookmark
(Bloomberg) -- Japan is emerging as one of the riskiest places for the spread of the coronavirus, prompting criticism that Prime Minister Shinzo Abe’s government has misfired on its policies to block the outbreak.
The number of infections in Japan has more than doubled in the past week to 74, rivaling Singapore as the country outside mainland China with the most cases. The government is being faulted for being too slow to bar visitors from China and too lax in its quarantine of the Diamond Princess cruise ship, where infections surged during two weeks docked in Yokohama.
While the hundreds of cases aboard the ship have grabbed the world’s attention, they are not counted among Japan’s total. What appears to be more troublesome is that Japan is starting to see a surge in cases in multiple areas across the country -- sometimes with little to link the outbreaks.
Read more at: https://www.bloombergquint.com/global-economics/as-cases-mount-japan-is-rapidly-becoming-a-coronavirus-hotbed (https://www.bloombergquint.com/global-economics/as-cases-mount-japan-is-rapidly-becoming-a-coronavirus-hotbed)
How will it do in Japan? Indonesia? Philippines? From what I can tell, it still hasn't hit Indonesia and Philippines too hard, Japan? Well, a lot of that has to do with those passenger ships.
Coronavirus Outbreak:'No Indications' Of Cases In North Korea, WHO Says
By Wesley Dockery
02/19/20 AT 10:48 AM
https://www.ibtimes.com/coronavirus-outbreakno-indications-cases-north-korea-who-says-2925069 (https://www.ibtimes.com/coronavirus-outbreakno-indications-cases-north-korea-who-says-2925069)
So, this came out yesterday, does that mean there are none? Hardly for sure but what WHO said is still something.
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Coronavirus Outbreak:'No Indications' Of Cases In North Korea, WHO Says
That is because anyone who coughs gets shot and cremated.
Except for the Party hacks.
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This publication comes out of India:
Hun Sen’s Political Gamble: The Coronavirus Epidemic
By Chansambath Bong for The Diplomat
While the outbreak of the novel coronavirus (COVID-19) has caused troubles for many world leaders, Cambodian Prime Minister Hun Sen has used the epidemic as a political gambit to bolster his domestic and international image.
Domestically speaking, Hun Sen has played a high-stakes game by downplaying fear of the coronavirus to make the case to Cambodians that there is in an experienced sheriff in town and they have nothing to worry about with him at the helm. Unlike Vietnam, Singapore, and scores of other countries who have banned flights to and from China, Hun Sen has refused to do so, citing that the Kingdom of Cambodia stands in solidarity with China in desperate times. He also refused to evacuate 23 Cambodian students trapped in China’s Wuhan city, the epicenter of COVID-19, despite some criticisms.
After it was confirmed in late January that a 60-year-old Chinese man who flew in from Wuhan and landed in Sihanoukville province had contracted the virus, the premier strongly appealed to the Cambodian public for calm. Hun Sen promised that his government would invest in whatever resources it takes to ensure proper quarantine and successful treatment of that patient. He has repeatedly argued that people should be more scared of false reports about the virus than the virus itself.
Read more at: https://thediplomat.com/2020/02/hun-sens-political-gamble-the-coronavirus-epidemic/
If calling this, COVID-19 really catches on, we might update or even start a new thread with its applicable name. We might as well be up-to-date. Any advice is appreciated.
Please tell us what Glenn Beck is calling it? @libertybele , oh, I might just go visit the Blaze, they might have some coverage.
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The facts of Corona virus in Diamond Princess by Kentaro Iwata
A summary for those who can’t or don’t want to watch the video
https://qz.com/1804615/japanese-expert-on-chaotic-coronavirus-infection-control-on-diamond-princess/ (https://qz.com/1804615/japanese-expert-on-chaotic-coronavirus-infection-control-on-diamond-princess/)
“I was so scared. I was so scared of getting Covid-19 because there’s no way to tell where the virus is. No green zone, no red zone, everywhere could have the virus.â€
He has isolated himself in a separate room to avoid infecting his family.
@Gefn
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Those are the "official" numbers as to what is being reported by the WHO and the Chinese government. I don't know about you, but I tend to think that the Chinese are not being truthful (imagine that) nor is the WHO.
According to Beck's research and I posted another source besides him with a link in a previous post that their figures are indicating 350,000 now infected, etc.
Way back when, I quit watching Beck because his constant stampeding of his viewers was too exhausting. This just sounds like more of the same to me.
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Way back when, I quit watching Beck because his constant stampeding of his viewers was too exhausting. This just sounds like more of the same to me.
I visit a blog when I want to see the latest "out there"... the funny thing is he occasionally get it right.... occasionally...
http://lamecherry.blogspot.com/ (http://lamecherry.blogspot.com/)
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I visit a blog when I want to see the latest "out there"... the funny thing is he occasionally get it right.... occasionally...
http://lamecherry.blogspot.com/ (http://lamecherry.blogspot.com/)
So did Art Bell.... 888mouth
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Beck's show indicating 40% mortality would guarantee Trump's defeat in November. Imagine 40% of those infected dying. Trump would be toast.
So, where would Beck get such info that the president would not have at his fingertips?
My wife and I took a cruise two weeks ago, and she insisted we drive to Tampa versus fly. She is a doc at the CDC.
There is zero doubt this virus spreads. The question is, will the mortality rate be equal to that of China, or will we be able to nurse folks through it with much lower mortality rates? I do not see 40% mortality rates. And if it is anything over 3% and Trump left the border wide open, he loses in November.
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Beck's show indicating 40% mortality would guarantee Trump's defeat in November. Imagine 40% of those infected dying. Trump would be toast.
So, where would Beck get such info that the president would not have at his fingertips?
My wife and I took a cruise two weeks ago, and she insisted we drive to Tampa versus fly. She is a doc at the CDC.
There is zero doubt this virus spreads. The question is, will the mortality rate be equal to that of China, or will we be able to nurse folks through it with much lower mortality rates? I do not see 40% mortality rates. And if it is anything over 3% and Trump left the border wide open, he loses in November.
That depends...For starters, a significant part of the casualty numbers reported early on was comprised of immunocompromised people. Not sure how that might affect voter turnout.
I know,the more dead people, the more voting Democrat... :smokin:
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The virus is never going to stop unless they can figure out how to completely eradicate the flu virus. This virus is a type of flu virus. It will peak as all flu viruses do and then it will return the following year just like the flu that we've been experiencing for decades. It's already here in this country -- over 5,000 have been asked to self-isolate. Also realize that the screening/temperature checks at the airport are ineffective.
For clarification, this is not an influenza virus. It is a coronavirus. It is not yet known if the COVID-19 virus will return year after year as a seasonal influenza would or if it will burn out and not (yet) reappear much as SARS and MERS did - not becoming endemic i.e. returning year to year.
Think of viruses as car brands. You have Fords and Chevys and Toyotas, etc. Many different and distinct car brands and many different and distinct types of viruses.
So think of influenza as being a “Ford brand†and coronaviruses as being a “Chevy brandâ€.
But within each car brand, there are many different models.
With Ford, you have many different models ranging from the Fiesta to the Mustang. There are also different models and options within those models (think of those as mutations).
Within the influenza virus there are many different strains – A, B, C and D and within those various subtypes, just for example in type A alone that cause global pandemics:
H1N1 caused "Spanish flu" in 1918 and "Swine flu" in 2009.
H2N2 caused "Asian Flu".
H3N2 caused "Hong Kong Flu"
The coronavirus and influenza are both viruses just as a Ford and a Chevy are both car brands, but the family of coronaviruses belong to a different family of viruses than influenza.
Some coronaviruses are endemic and are responsible for a percentage of seasonal “common coldsâ€, miserable to get but not particularly dangerous. SARS and MERS, also coronaviruses, were of course like COVID-19, much more serious but haven’t reemerged.
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Well, I am one that believe Beck's research. What is troubling is I went to find the video on "You Tube" and it wasn't there -- however there is listed first the WHO emblem.
I don't trust the Chinese, nor the WHO, or the CDC and unfortunately those in our own government to tell the truth.
We are talking about people within our government who have tried everything to make the presidency of Trump illegitimate with their phony Russian collusion and their bogus impeachment. Those same people flooded the border with illegals hoping that they would have to be admitted into this country and granted asylum to make it impossible for him to win re-election.
So, believe who you want to. I'm going with someone who has sent his own people in to do the research -- the same man who has sent in his own people in to rescue or relocate Christians that are being persecuted over in the Middle East. Just sayin'
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Coronavirus breakthrough: First 3D protein map paves way for vaccine design
The first 3D map of SARS-CoV-2, the coronavirus responsible for over 2,000 deaths since December 2019, has been produced by a collaboration of coronavirus researchers at the University of Texas at Austin and the National Institutes of Health. Heralded as a breakthrough, the map provides a stepping stone to the development of antivirals or vaccines to stymie the virus.
In under two months, infections of the novel coronavirus have soared past 75,000 and caused significant economic turmoil in China and abroad. The World Health Organization has declared the outbreak a public health emergency of international concern and when it announced the name of the disease on Feb. 11, it added that a vaccine was likely 18 months away.
But scientists are mobilizing their resources quickly, sharing information about the virus with unprecedented pace, and turning experiments into peer-reviewed research in a matter of weeks.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/coronavirus-breakthrough-first-3d-protein-map-paves-way-for-vaccine-design/ar-BB10aSUL (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/coronavirus-breakthrough-first-3d-protein-map-paves-way-for-vaccine-design/ar-BB10aSUL)
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For clarification, this is not an influenza virus. It is a coronavirus. It is not yet known if the COVID-19 virus will return year after year as a seasonal influenza would or if it will burn out and not (yet) reappear much as SARS and MERS did - not becoming endemic i.e. returning year to year.
Think of viruses as car brands. You have Fords and Chevys and Toyotas, etc. Many different and distinct car brands and many different and distinct types of viruses.
So think of influenza as being a “Ford brand†and coronaviruses as being a “Chevy brandâ€.
But within each car brand, there are many different models.
With Ford, you have many different models ranging from the Fiesta to the Mustang. There are also different models and options within those models (think of those as mutations).
Within the influenza virus there are many different strains – A, B, C and D and within those various subtypes, just for example in type A alone that cause global pandemics:
H1N1 caused "Spanish flu" in 1918 and "Swine flu" in 2009.
H2N2 caused "Asian Flu".
H3N2 caused "Hong Kong Flu"
The coronavirus and influenza are both viruses just as a Ford and a Chevy are both car brands, but the family of coronaviruses belong to a different family of viruses than influenza.
Some coronaviruses are endemic and are responsible for a percentage of seasonal “common coldsâ€, miserable to get but not particularly dangerous. SARS and MERS, also coronaviruses, were of course like COVID-19, much more serious but haven’t reemerged.
I understand the analogy you are making and I stand corrected. However, the coronavirus spreads much easier than SARS and is much like the flu in nature because of how rapidly it spreads. SARS killed over 750 people and infected over 8,000 people. Coronavirus has infected nearly 10 times as many people so far and the death total is over 2,000. Big difference.
As for re-emerging viruses; MERS for example is still a concern and cases reported in the areas hospitals where I live. There are several facilities that some doctors will no longer do surgery in because of those incidents. No the incidents are not widely reported, nor are there reports of an outbreak, but the virus hasn't gone away.
Beside SARS-CoV and MERS-CoV which have only emerged recently, the other four human-pathogenic coronaviruses, namely, HCoV-229E, HCoV-OC43, HCoV-NL63 and HCoV-HKU1, have been continuously circulating in human for at least decades or centuries.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4687117/ (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4687117/)
https://khn.org/morning-breakout/coronavirus-is-killing-more-people-more-quickly-than-sars-with-97-deaths-reported-in-a-single-day/ (https://khn.org/morning-breakout/coronavirus-is-killing-more-people-more-quickly-than-sars-with-97-deaths-reported-in-a-single-day/)
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South Korea city deserted after coronavirus 'super-spreads' in church
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Daegu Mayor Kwon Young-jin told residents to stay indoors after 90 people who worshipped at the Church of Jesus the Temple of the Tabernacle of the Testimony showed symptoms of infection and dozens of new cases were confirmed.
The church had been attended by a 61-year-old woman who tested positive, known as “Patient 31â€. Korea’s Centers for Disease Control and Prevention described the outbreak there as a “super-spreading eventâ€.
“We are in an unprecedented crisis,†Kwon told reporters, adding that all members of the church would be tested. “We’ve asked them to stay at home isolated from their families.â€
More at: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health/south-korea-city-deserted-after-coronavirus-super-spreads-in-church-idUSKBN20E0AM (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health/south-korea-city-deserted-after-coronavirus-super-spreads-in-church-idUSKBN20E0AM)
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Same city as above, Daegu, SK's 4th largest:
U.S. Military Bases in Daegu Reduce Operations As Cases of South Koreans Infected with Coronavirus Soars to Over 100
GIKorea | February 20, 2020 | USFK | No Comments
It sounds like Daegu is beginning to turn into Wuhan:
South Korea reported its first coronavirus-linked death Thursday, while Daegu urged residents to stay home as the southeastern city struggled to contain an outbreak of the pneumonia-like disease.
The Army garrison in Daegu also restricted access and announced that schools and non-essential business would be closed for a second day.
In an exception to policy, U.S. service members were authorized to wear face masks in uniform regardless of air quality conditions, according to the garrison’s Facebook page.
See more at: https://www.rokdrop.net/2020/02/u-s-military-bases-in-daegu-reduce-operations-as-cases-of-south-koreans-infected-with-coronavirus-soars-to-over-100/ (https://www.rokdrop.net/2020/02/u-s-military-bases-in-daegu-reduce-operations-as-cases-of-south-koreans-infected-with-coronavirus-soars-to-over-100/)
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Wow. That is frightening. They are questioning length of incubation period -- 24 days instead of 14.
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World News
February 20, 2020 / 2:52 AM / Updated an hour ago
Clashes, jeers and burning tires greet coronavirus evacuees in Ukraine
Matthias Williams
NOVI SANZHARY, Ukraine (Reuters) - Residents of a central Ukrainian town clashed with police, burned tires and hurled projectiles at a convoy of buses carrying evacuees from China’s Hubei province, quarantined in case of the coronavirus, to a sanatorium on Thursday.
(https://s3.reutersmedia.net/resources/r/?m=02&d=20200220&t=2&i=1493016870&r=LYNXMPEG1J1V7&w=1280)
A demonstrator throws a stone towards a police van during a protest against the arrival of a plane carrying evacuees from coronavirus-hit China's Hubei province in the village of Novi Sanzhary in Poltava region, Ukraine February 20, 2020. Local residents blocked the road leading to a sanatorium where the evacuees are due to be held in quarantine for at least two weeks. REUTERS/Valentyn Ogirenko
Some protesters and police were lying wounded on the ground after the clashes. At least two buses had their windows smashed while the evacuees sat behind curtains inside.
Locals in Novi Sanzhary feared they could become infected despite the authorities repeatedly insisting there was no danger and a special appeal from President Volodymyr Zelenskiy for calm.
Ukraine has no confirmed cases of the virus.
Read more at: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-ukraine/clashes-jeers-and-burning-tires-greet-coronavirus-evacuees-in-ukraine-idUSKBN20E10L (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-ukraine/clashes-jeers-and-burning-tires-greet-coronavirus-evacuees-in-ukraine-idUSKBN20E10L)
That is totally improper, Ukraine has had some problems like chasing gypsies/Roma off from where they are are living. Some other countries act this way too, they aren't alone but unacceptable. My gosh. There is no excuse. An Asian was beat up in Sheffield England over the virus panic but I don't think he/she had the infection. Just people acting crazy. USA has not had violence that I know of but some negative reactions. There might have been someone beat up on the West coast. I forget.
Ukraine’s Healthcare Minister to spend 14 days with quarantined Ukrainians
Source : 112 Ukraine
As it was stated by Zoryana Skaletska, she was overwhelmed by all the panic and rejection
23:20, 20 February 2020
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Healthcare Minister Zoriana Skaletska
Press-service of the Cabinet of Ministers
Ukraine’s Minister of Health Zoryana Skaletska has decided to join the quarantined people at the Novi Sanzhary Medical Center and will spend the next 14 days with them. She wrote about it on her Facebook page after local citizens attacked the bus, which was carrying evacuated Ukrainians, with stones.
"I made the decision to join the people in the observation. I will spend the next 14 days with them in the same room and in the same conditions. I hope that my presence will reassure both those in Novi Sanzhary and the rest of the country ... I want to emphasize one more time: these people are our compatriots, they are no strangers to us. We live in one country and we must take care of their health and safety," Skaletska said.
According to her, the evacuation was carefully prepared and the safe conditions of stay in observation were provided, taking all WHO standards and practices of other countries into account.
More at: https://112.international/society/ukraines-healthcare-minister-to-spend-14-days-with-quarantined-ukrainians-48771.html (https://112.international/society/ukraines-healthcare-minister-to-spend-14-days-with-quarantined-ukrainians-48771.html)
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That is totally improper, Ukraine has had some problems like chasing gypsies/Roma off from where they are are living. Some other countries act this way too, they aren't alone but unacceptable. My gosh. There is no excuse. An Asian was beat up in Sheffield England over the virus panic but I don't think he/she had the infection. Just people acting crazy. USA has not had violence that I know of but some negative reactions. There might have been someone beat up on the West coast. I forget.
That's a nice gesture on the part of the Minister of Health, and it may (possibly) cost her her life, but with incubation periods believed to be as long as 24 days, she may be released from quarantine and go forth to spread the virus among the government.
I applaud her courage, but I think the act is still a dumb one.
Not a good idea, imho.
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Lawrence Person's BattleSwarm Blog 2/20/2020
Basically every dystopia you’ve seen or read about in the last 20 years is happening in China right now. Here’s a roundup of Coronavirus news:
• The official infection figures everyone believes are understated:
Total confirmed cases: 75,751
Total deaths: 2,130
Total recovered: 16,847
There are some MSM outlets saying that, based on those official numbers, the worst of the outbreak has passed. I wouldn’t wager much money on that proposition…
• American evacuees from the Coronavirus-stricken Diamond Princess cruise ship have been flown to the Nebraska Medical Center campus in Omaha. (Yesterday the official Coronavirus tracker showed a jump in U.S. cases to 29 based on that, but today the tracker number is back down to 15. Curious…)
• Over 700 people in Washington State being “under supervision†for possible coronavirus infection? “The figure includes close contacts of laboratory confirmed cases, as well as people who have returned from China in the past 14 days that are included in federal quarantine guidance.â€
• Walter Russell Mead on why China is the real sick man of Asia (https://www.wsj.com/articles/china-is-the-real-sick-man-of-asia-11580773677):
Epidemics also lead us to think about geopolitical and economic hypotheticals. We have seen financial markets shudder and commodity prices fall in the face of what hopefully will be a short-lived disturbance in China’s economic growth. What would happen if—perhaps in response to an epidemic, but more likely following a massive financial collapse—China’s economy were to suffer a long period of even slower growth? What would be the impact of such developments on China’s political stability, on its attitude toward the rest of the world, and to the global balance of power?
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China expelled three Wall Street Journal reporters over that editorial:
Beijing’s propaganda campaign to paper over the depredations of its heavy handed quarantines and other outbreak-suppression efforts was launched into hyperspeed earlier this month as the international community – including the WHO – started questioning everything – from whether Beijing deliberately hid information about the outbreak in the early days (looks like it did), to whether the virus was originally developed in a bioweapons lab in Wuhan before being unleashed on the public (…), to whether Beijing was actually capable of resolving this issue without some kind of intervention.
These doubts likely played some role in Beijing’s decision to refuse to allow foreign experts into the country – though it gladly accepted shipments of facemasks and medicine – as the most important thing is that the Communist Party project an image of strength upon the global stage.
More: https://www.battleswarmblog.com/?p=43541 (https://www.battleswarmblog.com/?p=43541)
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I understand the analogy you are making and I stand corrected. However, the coronavirus spreads much easier than SARS and is much like the flu in nature because of how rapidly it spreads. SARS killed over 750 people and infected over 8,000 people. Coronavirus has infected nearly 10 times as many people so far and the death total is over 2,000. Big difference.
As for re-emerging viruses; MERS for example is still a concern and cases reported in the areas hospitals where I live. There are several facilities that some doctors will no longer do surgery in because of those incidents. No the incidents are not widely reported, nor are there reports of an outbreak, but the virus hasn't gone away.
Beside SARS-CoV and MERS-CoV which have only emerged recently, the other four human-pathogenic coronaviruses, namely, HCoV-229E, HCoV-OC43, HCoV-NL63 and HCoV-HKU1, have been continuously circulating in human for at least decades or centuries.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4687117/ (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4687117/)
https://khn.org/morning-breakout/coronavirus-is-killing-more-people-more-quickly-than-sars-with-97-deaths-reported-in-a-single-day/ (https://khn.org/morning-breakout/coronavirus-is-killing-more-people-more-quickly-than-sars-with-97-deaths-reported-in-a-single-day/)
I think you are confusing MERS with MRSA which is an antibacterial resistant bacterial infection.
https://www.cdc.gov/mrsa/healthcare/index.html (https://www.cdc.gov/mrsa/healthcare/index.html)
There have only been two reported cases of MERS in the US.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/mers/us.html (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/mers/us.html)
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Most Americans Are Not Taking This Coronavirus Outbreak Seriously, And That Is Potentially Very Dangerous
We still don’t know if this coronavirus outbreak will become a horrific worldwide pandemic or not, but what we have seen so far is definitely very alarming. People have literally been dropping dead in the streets, the Chinese government has locked down major city after major city, and the virus kept spreading very rapidly on a cruise ship off the coast of Japan even though a strict quarantine was instituted. Scientists that have studied the virus are telling us that it “could be 20 times more lethal than the fluâ€, and it binds to human cell receptors much more easily than the SARS virus did. Unfortunately, because the epicenter of this crisis is on the other side of the globe, most Americans are simply not paying much attention to it. In fact, most of the people that my wife and I have been talking to and hearing from don’t think that the coronavirus is much of a threat to the United States at all.
And if the coronavirus does start to become a problem in this country, a new survey has found that most Americans are quite confident that the government can handle it…
More than three in four Americans say they are very confident or somewhat confident in the US federal government’s ability to handle a coronavirus outbreak, a Gallup poll has found, a higher level of confidence than in previous health scares.
http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/most-americans-are-not-taking-this-coronavirus-outbreak-seriously-and-that-is-potentially-very-dangerous (http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/most-americans-are-not-taking-this-coronavirus-outbreak-seriously-and-that-is-potentially-very-dangerous)
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I joined a "Kickstarter" project a few years back now and I received a weekly update email Today and I thought I'd share it:
Quick update on factory status
This is a quick update, because an update is due and while some of you have seen it already, we want to share the latest we have gotten from the factory-
Our manager at the factory contacted us late last week to share that they have not yet returned to work due to the coronavirus. They have been told they will need approval from the local government before they can return. We have been told that some local governments are requiring workers to go into 14 day quarantine depending on where they are coming from, before they can return to work. We do not yet know how that will effect the staff at this factory.
The factory manager is going to keep us updated on their estimated return date and is going to start reviewing our prototype feedback that we have from over the break - so that they can fix the issues we found ASAP.
We've talked to some people who work with other factories in China and many have not even had contact with their factory managers, so we are encouraged and thankful that they are keeping us informed, I know form a business standpoint they are eager to produce these printers as well.
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Thanks for the updates @Elderberry
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I think you are confusing MERS with MRSA which is an antibacterial resistant bacterial infection.
https://www.cdc.gov/mrsa/healthcare/index.html (https://www.cdc.gov/mrsa/healthcare/index.html)
There have only been two reported cases of MERS in the US.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/mers/us.html (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/mers/us.html)
Probably. I stand corrected by you once again!
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CORONAVIRUS NEWS: China's attempt to COVER-UP virus will affect America too
https://www.glennbeck.com/theblaze-tv/coronavirus-news-chinas-attempt-to-cover-up-virus-will-affect-america-too (https://www.glennbeck.com/theblaze-tv/coronavirus-news-chinas-attempt-to-cover-up-virus-will-affect-america-too)
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More than 75,700 confirmed cases: Live updates on COVID-19
Here's a look at what you need to know about the new virus and the disease it causes.
What's the death rate from COVID-19?
..........The largest study on COVID-19 cases to date provides new details on the severity of the illness, including its death rate and who is most susceptible.
The study researchers, from the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention, analyzed information from 44,672 confirmed cases of COVID-19 in China that were reported between Dec. 31, 2019 and Feb. 11, 2020. Among these cases, there were 1,023 deaths, resulting in an overall death rate of 2.3%.
That's much higher than the death rate of flu, which is around 0.1% in the U.S., according to The New York Times.
However, the new study found that the death rate from COVID-19 varied by location. In Hubei Province, where the outbreak began, the death rate was 2.9%, compared with just 0.4% in other provinces — a 7-fold difference.............
.........Will the coronavirus die down by the summer?
We don't know yet. Most respiratory viruses, such as flu viruses, are seasonal. We generally know when the peak of flu season will be and can expect the number of flu cases to drop down as we head toward spring and summer, said Dr. Nancy Messonnier, the director of CDC's National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases in a news conference on Feb. 12. But for the new virus, "I think it's premature to assume that," she said. If this new virus behaves similarly to flu viruses, we may see less infections as spring and summer roll around. "But this is a new disease, we haven't even been through six weeks of it much less a year," Messonnier said. Though hoping the numbers will go down as warm weather approaches, "the aggressive actions we're taking are because we don't think we can count on that."............
Number of Coronavirus Cases
Mainland China: 74,579
Thailand: 35
Japan: 84
Singapore: 84
Hong Kong: 67
South Korea: 104
Taiwan: 24
Australia: 15
Malaysia: 22
Germany: 16
Vietnam: 16
Macau: 10
U.S.: 29
France: 12
United Arab Emirates: 9
Canada: 8
Italy: 3
Russia: 2
UK: 9
Philippines: 3
Cambodia: 1
India: 3
Belgium: 1
Finland: 1
Nepal: 1
Spain: 2
Sri Lanka: 1
Sweden: 1
Egypt: 1
Iran: 2
.......................... https://www.livescience.com/new-china-coronavirus-faq.html (https://www.livescience.com/new-china-coronavirus-faq.html)
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South Korea is showing a 'big' jump. They doubled in the last 24 hours. From 104 to over 200.
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So in other words they're 'manipulating' the numbers and in doing so, my bet is that they still aren't reporting anywhere near those infected and those who have died.
Confusion mounts over China’s counting methods as coronavirus numbers swing wildly
Last week, Hubei province announced it would count "clinically diagnosed" cases in its numbers. These were patients who demonstrated all the symptoms of Covid-19 but either had not been able to get a test or were believed to have falsely tested negative.
Hubei doctors could use CT scans to confirm such coronavirus infections without a test.
That decision saw confirmed cases in Hubei province soar, with more than 15,152 new infections announced in mainland China on February 12 alone.
Officials said the move to include clinically diagnosed patients was intended to help clear a backlog of suspected cases in Hubei.
But on Thursday the government guidelines changed and "clinically confirmed" were excluded from the tally of confirmed cases.
Now patients must have a positive lab test result to be counted in the tally. Other cases will be listed as "suspected.".......
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The incubation time is lengthy and I don't think they know for sure how long it's contagious, which is what concerns me about it. People leave quarantine, then get sick. Other diseases manage to kill off the host very quickly, so the bug dies out in the population before it becomes wide spread.
It's not helpful the Peoples Republic is not being forthcoming on the mortality rate.
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The incubation time is lengthy and I don't think they know for sure how long it's contagious, which is what concerns me about it. People leave quarantine, then get sick. Other diseases manage to kill off the host very quickly, so the bug dies out in the population before it becomes wide spread.
It's not helpful the Peoples Republic is not being forthcoming on the mortality rate.
So they are letting them out of quarantine too early thereby infecting everyone they come into contact with 888mouth
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So they are letting them out of quarantine too early thereby infecting everyone they come into contact with 888mouth
They were at first, but I think they're trying to get a handle on it by increasing the time in quarantine. That's why I don't think they really know for how long to keep them isolated.
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They were at first, but I think they're trying to get a handle on it by increasing the time in quarantine. That's why I don't think they really know for how long to keep them isolated.
It has been reported in the "largest study of coronavirus patients" that the incubation period could be as long as 24 days.
https://www.businessinsider.com/wuhan-coronavirus-symptoms-24-days-after-infection-2020-2 (https://www.businessinsider.com/wuhan-coronavirus-symptoms-24-days-after-infection-2020-2)
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After 12-24 hours or when you post a new update, the old thread will be merged with the comprehensive thread so We don't want to have too many coronavirus threads. But the updates are noteworthy and will stand temporarily.
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South Korea is showing a 'big' jump. They doubled in the last 24 hours. From 104 to over 200.
Yes, they seem close to becoming a quarantined nation too But they are using some sort of different terminology.
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South Korean coronavirus spike linked to doomsday sect with messianic leader
Feb. 21, 2020 at 11:10 a.m. CST
SEOUL — A South Korean church with a messianic leader was identified Friday as a hotbed of coronavirus cases as the outbreak grows in parts of the country.
The leader of the sect, Lee Man-hee, said all gatherings and other outreach have been suspended after health authorities linked Lee’s followers to more than two-thirds of all confirmed coronavirus cases in South Korea.
Lee denounced the coronavirus as a “devil’s deed†to curb the growth of his church, which extols Lee as a prophet-like figure who can decode hidden meanings from the Bible before a coming apocalypse. Critics describe Lee’s network as a cult.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/south-korean-coronavirus-spike-linked-to-doomsday-sect-with-messianic-leader/2020/02/21/cd3e1220-54c2-11ea-9e47-59804be1dcfb_story.html (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/south-korean-coronavirus-spike-linked-to-doomsday-sect-with-messianic-leader/2020/02/21/cd3e1220-54c2-11ea-9e47-59804be1dcfb_story.html)
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https://www.scmp.com/economy/china-economy/article/3051534/coronavirus-chinas-manufacturing-supply-chain-pummelled-all (https://www.scmp.com/economy/china-economy/article/3051534/coronavirus-chinas-manufacturing-supply-chain-pummelled-all)
Coronavirus: China’s manufacturing supply chain pummelled from all sides in efforts to restart
Choked off from suppliers, workers, and logistics networks, China’s manufacturing base is facing a multitude of unprecedented challenges, as coronavirus containment efforts hamper factories’ efforts to reopen.
Many of those that have been granted permission to resume operations face critical shortages of staff, with huge swathes of China still under lockdown and some local workers afraid to leave their homes. Others cannot access the materials needed to make their products, and even if they could, the shutdown of shops and marketplaces around China means demand has been sapped.
Those who manage to assail the challenges, meanwhile, have found that trucking, shipping and freight services are thin on the ground, as China’s famed logistical machine also struggles to find workers and navigate provincial border checkpoints that have popped up across the country
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Seems to me if the world was serious about getting control over this, all international borders would be closed:
- no flights
- no trains
- no boats
- no vehicles
- no "walk-ins"
- NOTHING.
Wait until it gets into Mexico.
Then watch floods across the border for "free American health care"...
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Most Americans Are Not Taking This Coronavirus Outbreak Seriously, And That Is Potentially Very Dangerous
We still don’t know if this coronavirus outbreak will become a horrific worldwide pandemic or not, but what we have seen so far is definitely very alarming. People have literally been dropping dead in the streets, the Chinese government has locked down major city after major city, and the virus kept spreading very rapidly on a cruise ship off the coast of Japan even though a strict quarantine was instituted. Scientists that have studied the virus are telling us that it “could be 20 times more lethal than the fluâ€, and it binds to human cell receptors much more easily than the SARS virus did. Unfortunately, because the epicenter of this crisis is on the other side of the globe, most Americans are simply not paying much attention to it. In fact, most of the people that my wife and I have been talking to and hearing from don’t think that the coronavirus is much of a threat to the United States at all.
And if the coronavirus does start to become a problem in this country, a new survey has found that most Americans are quite confident that the government can handle it…
More than three in four Americans say they are very confident or somewhat confident in the US federal government’s ability to handle a coronavirus outbreak, a Gallup poll has found, a higher level of confidence than in previous health scares.
http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/most-americans-are-not-taking-this-coronavirus-outbreak-seriously-and-that-is-potentially-very-dangerous (http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/most-americans-are-not-taking-this-coronavirus-outbreak-seriously-and-that-is-potentially-very-dangerous)
No...it may not being taking seriously. But what the heck are we gonna do other that wash our hands?
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So they are letting them out of quarantine too early thereby infecting everyone they come into contact with 888mouth
When the reports came in that the incubation period might be 24 days, not just 14, I strongly suspected that would happen. Needless to say,healthy people with a clean bill will go about all the business they did not while in quarantine, with vigor, until they fall sick, making for a large group exposed to the virus.
This thing is far from contained.
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When the reports came in that the incubation period might be 24 days, not just 14, I strongly suspected that would happen. Needless to say,healthy people with a clean bill will go about all the business they did not while in quarantine, with vigor, until they fall sick, making for a large group exposed to the virus.
This thing is far from contained.
A powerful argument for telecommuting. I did that quite a bit, but when we got new management we got a fellow who hated it because he wanted to stroll into the cube farm and see it filled, when most could have easily done the work from home. This was a major headache whenever we had a tight deadline for a "tape-out" that had to be in the can by a date certain. The Engineers would be stuck in their cubes until 9 or 10 at night finishing the last-minute additions and corrections, when they could have been at home kicking it out as they had been doing for years.
One of 1,001 reasons I was more than happy to accept the offer for a voluntary layoff 1 1/2 years ago. If I were still there I'd be writing the CEO to suggest going back to telecommuting. Get a feather in their cap by telling the press how civic minded they are.
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There is this thing. How fast this thing is mutating. Plus that it is being reported to have a longer DNA 'genome' than your standard coronavius. And there are several coronas that are here, but don't cause an outbreak.
Who has ever gotten sick by the same virus twice within days or a couple of weeks after having recovered?
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First coronavirus death in Europe sends Italian towns into lockdown
•Feb 22, 2020
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AGJtQKcL8s&ref=tw_i.#)
Ten Italian towns remain in lockdown and residents warned to keep out of an emergency room on Saturday as a second death from coronavirus sparked fears throughout the region.
Chinese medical expert warns recovered coronavirus patients may still be contagious
Head of frontline team fighting Covid-19 says some patients have been found to still carry the virus after getting better
Scientists believe there is a low risk of this happening, but there is still much to learn about the disease
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3051864/chinese-medical-expert-warns-recovered-coronavirus-patients-may (https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3051864/chinese-medical-expert-warns-recovered-coronavirus-patients-may)
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Coronavirus: Iran reports two suspected fatal cases at Qom hospital
19 February 2020
Iran's health ministry says two people have died after preliminary tests came back as positive for the new coronavirus disease, Covid-19.
Spokesman Kianush Jahanpour tweeted that they died due to their "old age and deficient immune systems" while being treated in hospital in Qom.
Deputy Health Minister Qasem Janbabaei told the Young Journalists' Club (YJC) that they were both Iranian nationals.
More: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-51563039 (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-51563039)
Some Iran-watchers postulate, it could indeed be worse than the news we get.
Coronavirus: South Korea confirms huge rise in cases
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Officials said on Saturday that 229 new cases had been confirmed since Friday, raising the total to 433.
Vice Health Minister Kim Gang-lip said the outbreak had entered "a serious new phase".
Many of the new cases are linked to a hospital and to a religious group near the south-eastern city of Daegu, authorities have said.
Read more at: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-51596665 (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-51596665)
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Food Supply to Collapse after Outbreak? Billionaires Predict “Global Problemsâ€
Ice Age Farmer 2/15/2020
http://www.iceagefarmer.com/2020/02/15/food-supply-to-collapse-after-outbreak-billionaires-predict-global-problems/ (http://www.iceagefarmer.com/2020/02/15/food-supply-to-collapse-after-outbreak-billionaires-predict-global-problems/)
A 2015 Soros-funded think tank predicted a 2020 breakdown of the global food supply following an outbreak — just as Bill Gates’ 2019 “event 201†simulated a global pandemic. Why are multiple billionaires been speaking to outbreaks and food insecurity in 2020? Because Agenda 21/2030 isn’t just a name: it’s a war on all of us, and it has gone HOT.
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBDZVexL3RQ#)
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Food Supply to Collapse after Outbreak? Billionaires Predict “Global Problemsâ€
Ice Age Farmer 2/15/2020
http://www.iceagefarmer.com/2020/02/15/food-supply-to-collapse-after-outbreak-billionaires-predict-global-problems/ (http://www.iceagefarmer.com/2020/02/15/food-supply-to-collapse-after-outbreak-billionaires-predict-global-problems/)
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBDZVexL3RQ#)
Who knows really what's going on. Soros could easily have his fingers in this mess. Control food and you control the population! I know most think that we won't see an epidemic here, but I personally am really glad that we have the stockpile of food that we do and I would encourage others to do so. Other then putting a little dent in the wallet, what's the downside??
This virus continues to spread to other countries. Incubation is now estimated to be longer --up to 24 days. 29 cases now in the U.S. The positive is that there are reports that some are recovering.
Virus spreads in South Korean city as thousands are screened
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/virus-spreads-in-south-korean-city-as-thousands-are-screened-2020-02-22?mod=mw_latestnews (https://www.marketwatch.com/story/virus-spreads-in-south-korean-city-as-thousands-are-screened-2020-02-22?mod=mw_latestnews)
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Covid-19: Day 54: Feb 22nd: 10 Italian towns in lockdown: South Korea Sect Investigation: South Korea, number of cases quadrupled to more than 400: Window of opportunity to contain the virus is closing, WHO: Death rate increasing!
The Big Wobble 2/22/2020
http://www.thebigwobble.org/2020/02/covid-19-day-54-feb-22nd-10-italian.html (http://www.thebigwobble.org/2020/02/covid-19-day-54-feb-22nd-10-italian.html)
Credit the Guardian
Covid-19: Day 54: Feb 22nd: Headlines
Latest worldwide statistics: 32 countries affected: Window of opportunity to contain the virus is closing, WHO: Virus explodes in South Korea, number of cases quadrupled to more than 400.
Total confirmed cases 77,812: Suspected cases 5,365: Cases of people in critical condition, 11,477. Total deaths 2,360 and death rate at 3.03% and climbing steadily. https://wuhanviruslive.com/ (https://wuhanviruslive.com/)
South Korea becomes the newest front in shifting virus outbreak. AP
10 Italian towns in lockdown over coronavirus fears. Yahoo
More than 500 new coronavirus cases are detected in PRISONS across China, fuelling fears about the virus's ability to spread - as Iran confirms two more deaths and Israel and Lebanon announce their first cases. Mail Online
South Korea Sect Investigation: Patients and staff at a hospital near Daegu account for the bulk of 229 new cases as links to controversial ‘sect’ are investigated. Guardian
Invisible killer! Case study of 20-year-old who infected relatives despite not showing signs of illness – and testing negative – stokes global pandemic fears. Guardian
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So why is it this particular Coronavirus has such unusual characteristics?
Perhaps because the Chinese were experimenting splicing different things together to see what they could do?
China needs to be held accountable.
Another thing. Tyrants around the world now have a great excuse for people dying suddenly. Undesirables can simply die and be written off as Covid-19 victims with the body quickly incinerated. All evidence gone.
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Alarm in the holy land after visit by pilgrims with coronavirus
https://news.trust.org/item/20200222160134-tyyo5
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https://nypost.com/2020/02/22/dont-buy-chinas-story-the-coronavirus-may-have-leaked-from-a-lab/
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No...it may not being taking seriously. But what the heck are we gonna do other that wash our hands?
Good question. If there's no vaccine and no effective medicine to fight it, all we can do is stay home and have no contact with other people, I guess. And wash our hands.
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https://nypost.com/2020/02/22/dont-buy-chinas-story-the-coronavirus-may-have-leaked-from-a-lab/
Title from the article:
Don’t buy China’s story: The coronavirus may have leaked from a lab
(What a difference a colon makes...)
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Good question. If there's no vaccine and no effective medicine to fight it, all we can do is stay home and have no contact with other people, I guess. And wash our hands.
Just like with any virus the first precautions are to wash your hands, don't touch your face when you or out and stay at home as much as possible. It has been confirmed that this virus spreads easily and rapidly much like the flu virus.
What isn't known is if this virus will disappear during the warmer months then reappear the following season, much like the flu, or if it will disappear and not show up again (at least for awhile).
The other question is, will this virus mutate before a vaccine is found?
Again, I'd rather error on the safe side; stockpile on food and water.
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Tom Cotton
@SenTomCotton
Well, look at that. The Chinese Communist Party’s propaganda rag finally admits what I’ve said for a month: coronavirus didn’t start in Wuhan food market. So where did it originate? Time for answers from CCP.
https://twitter.com/SenTomCotton/status/1231311580853305344 (https://twitter.com/SenTomCotton/status/1231311580853305344)
And the above tweet refers to this article:
New Chinese study indicates novel coronavirus did not originate in Huanan seafood market
Source:Global Times Published: 2020/2/22 20:14:18 Last Updated: 2020/2/23
A new study by Chinese researchers indicates the novel coronavirus may have begun human-to-human transmission in late November from a place other than the Huanan seafood market in Wuhan.
The study published on ChinaXiv, a Chinese open repository for scientific researchers, reveals the new coronavirus was introduced to the seafood market from another location, and then spread rapidly from market to market. The findings were the result of analyses of genome-wide data, sources of infection and the route of spread of 93 samples of the novel coronavirus collected from 12 countries across four continents.
The study believes that patient zero transmitted the virus to workers or sellers at the Huanan seafood market. The crowded market facilitated the further transmission of the virus to buyers, which caused a wider spread in early December 2019.
More at: https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1180429.shtml (https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1180429.shtml)
Flashback, this isn't important in the bigger picture BUT... Huffpo wrote this weeks ago, so this is the kind of stuff Senator Cotton is referring to:
POLITICS 01/31/2020 07:00 pm ET
Don’t Listen To Sen. Tom Cotton About Coronavirus
The GOP senator has spread misinformation and panic in a weeks-long meltdown over the disease.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/tom-cotton-coronavirus-china_n_5e34a3b7c5b6f26233294378 (https://www.huffpost.com/entry/tom-cotton-coronavirus-china_n_5e34a3b7c5b6f26233294378)
Another alarming factor is death rate and to a different topic, South Korea has had, I believe 2 deaths now... this is why some people are saying, keep an eye on Iran:
Iranian officials have reported a sixth death from the new coronavirus.
The governor of Markazi province told the official IRNA news agency that tests of a patient who recently died in the central city of Arak were positive for the virus.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/02/china-coronavirus-outbreak-latest-updates-200221211643953.html (https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/02/china-coronavirus-outbreak-latest-updates-200221211643953.html)
But from the same link above:
Italian Serie B football match postponed
A football match in Italy's second division was called off around one hour before the scheduled kick-off because of fears over the spread of the virus.
So, one can see, it's getting spread out. The truth is, keep an eye on everything and everywhere really.
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Multiple sources.
The average incubation period for seasonal human coronavirus infections is 2 days (range of 12 hours-5 days). Novel coronaviruses have longer incubation periods. The SARS coronavirus demonstrated a prolonged incubation period (median 4- 5 days;range of 2-10 days) and the incubation period for the MERS coronavirus is also prolonged at approximately 5 days (range of 2- 14 days)
The potential for a longer incubation period was linked to a patient in China’s Hubei Province, where the virus was first detected in December. A 70-year-old man was infected with coronavirus, but did not show symptoms until 27 days later, the local government reported.
On Thursday, authorities reported that a man in Hubei had tested positive for coronavirus after what appeared to be a 38-day incubation period with no symptoms.
The analysis of 22 studies reveals that human coronaviruses such as Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS) coronavirus, Middle East Respiratory Syndrome (MERS) coronavirus or endemic human coronaviruses (HCoV) can persist on inanimate surfaces like metal, glass or plastic for up to 9 days
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Proof we are dealing with some very serious stuff, when they cancel football in Italy.
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Now they want to dump a whole boat load of folks exposed to the virus just a few miles from me and my family... Why the heck take them in right in the middle of area that is probable the most conservative in the nation. Sounds like something the pentagon that has "swamp fever" would dream of... kill them Bama folks, probable the best thing to do for the welfare of the country... Man I am steaming...
Coronavirus evacuees in Alabama: Anniston FEMA facility will house cruise ship passengers
https://www.al.com/news/2020/02/evacuated-passengers-under-coronavirus-quarantine-being-moved-to-alabama-site.html (https://www.al.com/news/2020/02/evacuated-passengers-under-coronavirus-quarantine-being-moved-to-alabama-site.html)
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Now it is looking like the powers in the federal government want to dump the coronavirus in my backyard... I start looking at a little more shady sources of information...
Did Obama have a hand in this...??? Seems that China fellow that the Harvard professor helped went to China where the outbreak centered...
http://lamecherry.blogspot.com/2020/02/it-is-obama-weapons-labratory-in-china.html (http://lamecherry.blogspot.com/2020/02/it-is-obama-weapons-labratory-in-china.html)
Are people actually getting over the virus (or whatever it is)?
What is known as the Coronavirus is not a virus. It is instead a "virus" platform of BAT SARS, overlaid with bacteria as the covering for the viral spikes which invade cells.
What is inside Corona Wuhan is what makes it tick. It has in a lab spliced in, tuberculosis and HIV, meaning Corona Wuhan is viral, fungal and bacteria as an organism.
The Chinese have been as other have, testing HIV drugs, which are auto immune drugs, meaning Wuhan is an auto immune type plague. In the human body, lungs for example are ACE2 proteins which HIV infects. What Remdesivir does is suppresses the ACE2 proteins, so the HIV does not spread. HIV is still in the body, but it is not killing the body as fast, as it can not spread the infection to the ACE2 platforms.
This person is not cured. In fact, in China it was thought that people were dropping dead from these HIV drugs when the people were 're infected' or another word for it would be, once the people went off the HIV medications the Corona Wuhan sprang back to life, and began ripping though the body organs which had been infected, and the people dropped dead in their tracks.
http://lamecherry.blogspot.com/2020/02/dc-and-coronavirus.html (http://lamecherry.blogspot.com/2020/02/dc-and-coronavirus.html)
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They want to dump this 60 miles from my family and me... and I am ticked...
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What is known as the Coronavirus is not a virus. It is instead a "virus" platform of BAT SARS, overlaid with bacteria as the covering for the viral spikes which invade cells.
What is inside Corona Wuhan is what makes it tick. It has in a lab spliced in, tuberculosis and HIV, meaning Corona Wuhan is viral, fungal and bacteria as an organism.
The Chinese have been as other have, testing HIV drugs, which are auto immune drugs, meaning Wuhan is an auto immune type plague. In the human body, lungs for example are ACE2 proteins which HIV infects. What Remdesivir does is suppresses the ACE2 proteins, so the HIV does not spread. HIV is still in the body, but it is not killing the body as fast, as it can not spread the infection to the ACE2 platforms.
This person is not cured. In fact, in China it was thought that people were dropping dead from these HIV drugs when the people were 're infected' or another word for it would be, once the people went off the HIV medications the Corona Wuhan sprang back to life, and began ripping though the body organs which had been infected, and the people dropped dead in their tracks.
http://lamecherry.blogspot.com/2020/02/dc-and-coronavirus.html (http://lamecherry.blogspot.com/2020/02/dc-and-coronavirus.html)
That's all fascinating, since LameCherry wrote it, I take it with a bit of salt but definitely, not doubting your word.
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@Sighlass
Senate Building or on twitter, nothing would stop you from at least, sending your thoughts and experiences to Senator Tom Cotton.
https://twitter.com/sentomcotton
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Now it is looking like the powers in the federal government want to dump the coronavirus in my backyard... I start looking at a little more shady sources of information...
Did Obama have a hand in this...??? Seems that China fellow that the Harvard professor helped went to China where the outbreak centered...
http://lamecherry.blogspot.com/2020/02/it-is-obama-weapons-labratory-in-china.html (http://lamecherry.blogspot.com/2020/02/it-is-obama-weapons-labratory-in-china.html)
Are people actually getting over the virus (or whatever it is)?
http://lamecherry.blogspot.com/2020/02/dc-and-coronavirus.html (http://lamecherry.blogspot.com/2020/02/dc-and-coronavirus.html)
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They want to dump this 60 miles from my family and me... and I am ticked...
Shady?
22222frying pan
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Good question. If there's no vaccine and no effective medicine to fight it, all we can do is stay home and have no contact with other people, I guess. And wash our hands.
If you are in the country like we are, you can quarantine if it gets serious. Plastic duct taped over the windows and doors, keep everything clean, and take lots of antiviral herb extracts. Plus diffuse antiviral herb oils into the air.
I'm already worried that the ability to mutate and reinfect may make this thing one long, slow, nasty grind.
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Again, I pray in some ways that this is a modified virus.
If it can recombine with any virus out there naturally and take on it's properties, that is a worst case nightmare scenario.
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Is the vaccine to thwart the new coronavirus stored in a Houston freezer?
Houston Chronicle by Todd Ackerman Feb. 23, 2020
https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/health/article/Is-the-vaccine-to-thwart-the-new-coronavirus-15075445.php (https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/health/article/Is-the-vaccine-to-thwart-the-new-coronavirus-15075445.php)
Scientists around the world are scrambling to develop a vaccine to stop the spread of the new coronavirus, but the best candidate might be an experimental one stored in a Houston freezer.
The vaccine, developed by researchers at Baylor College of Medicine and University of Texas Medical Branch at Galveston researchers, effectively protected mice against SARS, or severe acute respiratory syndrome, the virus from the same family that spread in the early 2000s. The vaccine never progressed to human testing because manufacturing of it wasn’t completed until 2016, long after SARS had burned out.
“It generated zero interest from pharmaceutical companies,†said Peter Hotez, a Baylor vaccine researcher and infectious disease specialist. “Because the virus was no longer circulating, their response was essentially, ‘thanks, but no thanks.’ â€
The Baylor-UTMB vaccine looks promising for COVID-19 because the virus so resembles SARS — Hotez calls it SARS-2 — which circulated between November 2002 and July 2003, mostly in mainland China and Hong Kong but also in Toronto, whose economy was so badly wrought by the outbreak that it needed a boost from a benefit concert featuring the Rolling Stones, Justin Timberlake and others to help shake the effects.
COVID-19 shares 82 percent of its genes with SARS and infects people through the same cell receptor, one of the “spike-like†proteins that stud the surface of coronaviruses and gives the family their name. The viruses originally jump from animals to people.
More at link.
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Italy's coronavirus outbreak is the biggest outside Asia
https://www.cnn.com/asia/live-news/coronavirus-outbreak-02-23-20-hnk-intl/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/asia/live-news/coronavirus-outbreak-02-23-20-hnk-intl/index.html)
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Some people have been knocked off of twitter, suspended because of some things they have said or posted. I am skeptical of some things, I won't dwell on this. I'm not sure what their motive might be to deceive, say posting something like video of a building being welded shut and things like that which I have seen videos of. I've seen a fair number of twitter accounts get busted for certain things, they usually come back but not always.
So, on the topic of propaganda....
Coronavirus: Pregnant nurse 'propaganda' sparks backlash
21 February 2020
A video featuring a pregnant nurse treating patients in a hospital in the virus epicentre of Wuhan has sparked a backlash across China.
The video by state media outlet CCTV was meant to portray nine-month pregnant Zhao Yu as a hero.
But instead social media users criticised the hospital for allowing a heavily pregnant nurse to work in a highly contagious environment.
More: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51583186 (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51583186)
At this rate, I think the Tokyo Summer Olympics, those usually begin in August.... there is some uncertainty with that. Tokyo saying, they plan on having them and taking some offense to London saying they could do it if Tokyo backs out.
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If you are in the country like we are, you can quarantine if it gets serious. Plastic duct taped over the windows and doors, keep everything clean, and take lots of antiviral herb extracts. Plus diffuse antiviral herb oils into the air.
I'm already worried that the ability to mutate and reinfect may make this thing one long, slow, nasty grind.
Long, slow nasty grind, is probably the case. Incubation period keeps increasing. This is easily spread much like the flu. Outbreaks rising in S. Korea to over 400. Now reports of infections in Italy. Newest cases of infection in Iran.
Meanwhile...the CDC has confirmed 35 cases in the U.S.
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My hunch is that Congress hates Trump so much and has little regard for the American people that they will fail to provide funds to battle this virus.
White House expected to ask Congress for coronavirus funds this week
White House officials are expected to ask Congress for emergency funding this week to battle the coronavirus amid growing fears of a larger outbreak in the US, two officials familiar with the forthcoming request said.
Government aides worked throughout the weekend on the supplemental request, which is still not final but could be sent to Capitol Hill as soon as Monday, according to a person familiar with the plans.
That source said Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar has ruffled feathers through the process by requesting amounts of money that "have been seen as largely out of proportion." The source noted HHS already has money that could be used for coronavirus issues, but claimed Azar "has been pushing hard for this to overcompensate" for management decisions regarding coronavirus containment that the source criticized.
The US now has 36 confirmed cases of coronavirus. Fourteen Americans who tested positive for the disease returned to the US this week after spending weeks in isolation on the luxury cruise ship Diamond Princess docked in Japan................
https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/23/politics/coronavirus-congress-white-house-funding/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/23/politics/coronavirus-congress-white-house-funding/index.html)
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My hunch is that Congress hates Trump so much and has little regard for the American people that they will fail to provide funds to battle this virus.
White House expected to ask Congress for coronavirus funds this week
White House officials are expected to ask Congress for emergency funding this week to battle the coronavirus amid growing fears of a larger outbreak in the US, two officials familiar with the forthcoming request said.
Government aides worked throughout the weekend on the supplemental request, which is still not final but could be sent to Capitol Hill as soon as Monday, according to a person familiar with the plans.
That source said Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar has ruffled feathers through the process by requesting amounts of money that "have been seen as largely out of proportion." The source noted HHS already has money that could be used for coronavirus issues, but claimed Azar "has been pushing hard for this to overcompensate" for management decisions regarding coronavirus containment that the source criticized.
The US now has 36 confirmed cases of coronavirus. Fourteen Americans who tested positive for the disease returned to the US this week after spending weeks in isolation on the luxury cruise ship Diamond Princess docked in Japan................
https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/23/politics/coronavirus-congress-white-house-funding/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/23/politics/coronavirus-congress-white-house-funding/index.html)
This is a legitimate concern, I even saw an editorial saying, if Trump fails on the Coronavirus, he won't be reelected.
I thought it was a bit of an offbeat article but it is possible.
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Picture of the Day: Hospital In Busan Closed Due to Coronavirus Scare
GIKorea | February 20, 2020
(https://i1.wp.com/img0.yna.co.kr/photo/yna/YH/2020/02/19/PYH2020021923840032500_P4.jpg?w=640&ssl=1)
See more at: https://www.rokdrop.net/2020/02/picture-of-the-day-hospital-in-busan-closed-due-to-coronavirus-scare/ (https://www.rokdrop.net/2020/02/picture-of-the-day-hospital-in-busan-closed-due-to-coronavirus-scare/)
The caption to the photo says the hospital was closed temporarily because a woman suspected of having the coronavirus visited there earlier in the day.
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If all goes as planned, my daughter's university will begin live online classes this evening PDT (China is on the other side of the International Dateline, so it'll be Monday AM there). My daughter participated in a live test of the app on Saturday (our time).
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If all goes as planned, my daughter's university will begin live online classes this evening PDT (China is on the other side of the International Dateline, so it'll be Monday AM there). My daughter participated in a live test of the app on Saturday (our time).
:thumbsup:
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This is a legitimate concern, I even saw an editorial saying, if Trump fails on the Coronavirus, he won't be reelected.
I thought it was a bit of an offbeat article but it is possible.
In the meantime he is being undermined by State Dept people in Japan. Failures should roost on those who defied orders to bring known infected people here on the same plane with those just under quarantine.
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This is a legitimate concern, I even saw an editorial saying, if Trump fails on the Coronavirus, he won't be reelected.
I thought it was a bit of an offbeat article but it is possible.
The Rats would be OK if a million Americans die, as long as they can blame Trump for it. They are that evil.
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World is approaching coronavirus tipping point, experts say
The world is fast approaching a tipping point in the spread of the coronavirus, according to experts, who warn that the disease is outpacing efforts to contain it, after major outbreaks forced Italy and Iran to introduce stringent internal travel restrictions and South Korea’s president placed the country on red alert.
Some of the countries most affected by the virus are scrambling to halt its progress two days after Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, director general of the World Health Organization (WHO), said the international community needed to act quickly before the narrowing “window of opportunity†closed completely.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/23/world-is-approaching-coronavirus-tipping-point-experts-say (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/23/world-is-approaching-coronavirus-tipping-point-experts-say)
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Coronavirus Hits Supply Chains, Saps US Business Activity
Coronavirus-related supply chain disruption is taking its toll on U.S. firms, with a recent survey of company purchasing managers showing a slump in business activity in February that’s being blamed in part on the spread of the disease.
“The deterioration was in part linked to the coronavirus outbreak, manifesting itself in weakened demand across sectors such as travel and tourism, as well as via falling exports and supply chain disruptions,†said Chris Williamson, chief business economist at IHS Markit, which on Feb. 21 published its Purchasing Managers’ Index (PMI) report.
https://www.theepochtimes.com/coronavirus-hits-supply-chains-saps-us-business-activity_3247352.html (https://www.theepochtimes.com/coronavirus-hits-supply-chains-saps-us-business-activity_3247352.html)
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North Korean Police Threaten to Execute Smugglers as Coronavirus Epidemic Continues in China
2020-02-18
Police in North Korea earlier this month issued a decree that warns of stronger punishments for smugglers—including the death penalty-- amid the novel coronavirus (COVID-19) epidemic in China and several of its immediate neighbors, RFA has learned.
Sources in the country say that residents think that the decree is absurd because smuggling is important to the livelihoods of many living in areas near the Sino-Korean border.
“Authorities have been working hard to prevent the spread of the new coronavirus, so they issued a decree in the name of the police that threatens to harshly punish those who violate the national quarantine effort,†a resident of Ryanggang province told RFA’s Korean Service Monday.
Read more at: https://www.rfa.org/english/news/korea/nk-coronavirus-smuggling-treason-02182020233942.html (https://www.rfa.org/english/news/korea/nk-coronavirus-smuggling-treason-02182020233942.html)
Does Radio Free Asia actually have correspondents in that country? I doubt it. It could be communicated in other ways.
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Italy imposes draconian rules to stop spread of coronavirus
Italian authorities have implemented draconian measures to try to halt the coronavirus outbreak in the north of the country, including imposing fines on anyone caught entering or leaving outbreak areas, as a third person was confirmed to have died on Sunday.
The number of cases of the virus in the country has risen to 152.
Police are patrolling 11 towns – mostly in the Lombardy region, where the first locally transmitted case emerged – that have been in lockdown since Friday night. The latest victim died in the Lombardy city of Cremona.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/23/italy-draconian-measures-effort-halt-coronavirus-outbreak-spread (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/23/italy-draconian-measures-effort-halt-coronavirus-outbreak-spread)
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Cut thru myths to see facts about COVID-19
Fabius Maximus by Larry Kummer 2/22/2020
https://fabiusmaximus.com/2020/02/22/facts-about-covid-19/ (https://fabiusmaximus.com/2020/02/22/facts-about-covid-19/)
Important: the WHO has not yet declared COVID-19 (aka coronavirus) to be a pandemic – where the epidemic spreads rapidly across multiple regions simultaneously. The label “pandemic†describes a disease’s extent and speed of spread, not its severity. See the WHO website for details (here (https://www.who.int/csr/disease/swineflu/frequently_asked_questions/pandemic/en/) and here (https://www.who.int/bulletin/volumes/89/7/11-088815/en/)). The COVID-19 epidemic now might be breaking containment to become a pandemic. This is where the preparation during the past two months will prove its worth – or not.
The current status
From the WHO Situation Report of February 23 (https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/situation-reports/20200223-sitrep-34-covid-19.pdf).
So far there are 29 nations affected (5 new nations since February 3). There are 1769 confirmed cases outside China (367 new), with 17 deaths (6 new). That is 1135 cases plus the 634 guaranteed or tested from the Diamond Princess cruise ship. Reminder: the world’s population outside China is six and one-half billion.
South Korea is experiencing the most rapid spread of the disease outside of China – so far with small numbers afflicted and an immensely strong response by its government and people. They have 602 confirmed cases: 1 new case reported on Feb. 18, 20 on Feb. 19, 53 on Feb. 20, and 100 on Feb. 21, 104 on Feb. 22, and 256 on Feb. 23.
The other nation experiencing a rapid spread is Italy, so far with tiny numbers: 76 confirmed cases (vs. 3 on WHO’s Feb. 21 report). Again, the government and people are responding strongly and proactively to contain the outbreak (details here (https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2020/02/22/world/europe/ap-eu-china-outbreak-europe.html)).
Iran reported its first two cases on Feb 20. There are now 28 cases and 5 deaths, which implies that there are many more than 28 people infected.
People take for granted this accurate, timely, and detailed data (esp. the “government can’t do anything†and “the UN is evil†folks). It did not exist for epidemics until recently. This information is collected according to the International Health Regulations (2005). All Member States are required to immediately report any new confirmed case of COVID-19 and, within 48 hours, provide information related to clinical, epidemiological, and travel history using the WHO standardized case reporting form.
Cases in the US
As of Feb 21, the CDC reports that 414 people have been tests and 14 cases confirmed – with no tests pending results.
As of February 15, the CDC estimates that so far this season (since September 9) there have been at least 29 million flu illnesses, 280,000 hospitalizations, and 16,000 deaths from flu. See their summary page and detail page for current information. But remember America’s new motto: “What, me worry?â€
An overview of the epidemic
Excerpt from a speech by Tedros Adhanom, the Director-General of WHO, on February 21. Full text here (https://www.who.int/dg/speeches/detail/emergency-ministerial-meeting-on-covid-19-organized-by-the-african-union-and-the-africa-centres-for-disease-control-and-prevention).
More at link.
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I see that the WHO and the CDC continue to downplay this virus; that in itself is detrimental.
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I see that the WHO and the CDC continue to downplay this virus; that in itself is detrimental.
Its a game of chicken. Much like the "religion of peace" thing...
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Cut thru myths to see facts about COVID-19
Fabius Maximus by Larry Kummer 2/22/2020
https://fabiusmaximus.com/2020/02/22/facts-about-covid-19/ (https://fabiusmaximus.com/2020/02/22/facts-about-covid-19/)
The fact is China is lying through its teeth about both infections and deaths. Garbage numbers in, garbage numbers out. Meaningful numbers will only come from outside China excluding the likes of Iran and North Korea.
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The fact is China is lying through its teeth about both infections and deaths. Garbage numbers in, garbage numbers out. Meaningful numbers will only come from outside China excluding the likes of Iran and North Korea.
I don't even pay attention to any numbers from China, they are useless.
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BNO Newsroom
@BNODesk
NEW: Iranian lawmaker claims at least 50 people have died of coronavirus in the city of Qom; the official death toll stands at 12 - ILNA
3:04 AM · Feb 24, 2020·TweetDeck
https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1231867565133135873
Big numbers out of Iran...
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Well after the local pitched a worthy hissy fit.... Trump said they will not be sending a pile of coronavirus folks next door to me....
Officials say plan to house Covid-19 patients in Anniston is canceled
https://www.annistonstar.com/free/officials-say-plan-to-house-covid--patients-in-anniston/article_0ae5bb5e-5663-11ea-ab66-17ad711f2d09.html (https://www.annistonstar.com/free/officials-say-plan-to-house-covid--patients-in-anniston/article_0ae5bb5e-5663-11ea-ab66-17ad711f2d09.html)
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Rise In Coronavirus Cases In Iran, Elsewhere Triggers Pandemic Fears
Radio Free Europe 2/24/2020
https://www.rferl.org/a/rise-in-coronavirus-cases-in-iran-elsewhere-triggers-pandemic-fears/30451104.html (https://www.rferl.org/a/rise-in-coronavirus-cases-in-iran-elsewhere-triggers-pandemic-fears/30451104.html)
Fears of a coronavirus pandemic, or global outbreak, are growing as countries including Iran, Italy, and South Korea are battling to contain the spread of the disease that has already killed around 2,600 people in China.
Afghanistan, Iraq, Bahrain, and Kuwait on February 24 reported their first cases of the COVID-19 virus -- all involving people who had come from Iran, which has recorded the highest death toll outside the disease's epicenter in China.
The semiofficial ILNA news agency reported that 50 people had died from the virus in the central city of Qom, but Deputy Health Minister Iraj Harirchi rejected the report, telling a news conference that the total number of confirmed cases now stood at 61, including 12 deaths.
Meanwhile, the Afghan minister of public health, Ferozuddin Feroz, told a press conference that one of three suspected cases had been confirmed in the western province of Herat. Feroz announced a state of emergency in the province bordering Iran.
More at link.
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Rise In Coronavirus Cases In Iran, Elsewhere Triggers Pandemic Fears
Radio Free Europe 2/24/2020
https://www.rferl.org/a/rise-in-coronavirus-cases-in-iran-elsewhere-triggers-pandemic-fears/30451104.html (https://www.rferl.org/a/rise-in-coronavirus-cases-in-iran-elsewhere-triggers-pandemic-fears/30451104.html)
If this spreads to battle field areas for ISIS, it may solve a lot of problems.
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Well after the local pitched a worthy hissy fit.... Trump said they will not be sending a pile of coronavirus folks next door to me....
Officials say plan to house Covid-19 patients in Anniston is canceled
https://www.annistonstar.com/free/officials-say-plan-to-house-covid--patients-in-anniston/article_0ae5bb5e-5663-11ea-ab66-17ad711f2d09.html (https://www.annistonstar.com/free/officials-say-plan-to-house-covid--patients-in-anniston/article_0ae5bb5e-5663-11ea-ab66-17ad711f2d09.html)
Unless another low-level State Department bureaucrat decides to just ship them anyway as was done last week. Nowhere in the country is safe from low-level bureaucrats.
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The Dow Jones Industrial futures are down over 900 points this morning, the market opens in 10 minutes.
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Pittsburgh is sending medical supplies to sister-city Wuhan to fight coronavirus outbreak
by Cassidy Morrison | February 24, 2020 01:12 PM
Pittsburgh is sending hundreds of thousands of surgical masks, gloves, and protective coverall suits to hospitals in its sister city of Wuhan, China, the epicenter of the coronavirus.
Mayor Bill Peduto told Pittsburgh's Action News 4 that his office has spoken with the mayor of Wuhan and Chinese medical professionals to determine the need for "materials that would aid the first responders and the doctors ... and the material that can protect the citizens."
The Pittsburgh-based charity Brother's Brother Foundation recently sent 180,000 surgical masks and coverall suits to medics in Wuhan and neighboring cities in China that have seen the highest numbers of coronavirus patients since the virus broke out in late 2019.
Read more at: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/pittsburgh-is-sending-medical-supplies-to-sister-city-wuhan-to-fight-coronavirus-outbreak (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/pittsburgh-is-sending-medical-supplies-to-sister-city-wuhan-to-fight-coronavirus-outbreak)
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CDC Confirms 53 Cases of Coronavirus in the US
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The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) confirmed 53 cases of coronavirus, which causes the disease COVID-19, with the bulk of infections originating from the quarantined Japanese cruise ship.
Thirty-six of those people were on board the Diamond Princess cruise ship that was held in medical isolation for two weeks off the coast of Japan, and three cases were confirmed among people who were evacuated from China. Fourteen U.S. cases were also confirmed, according to the latest count.
The CDC told CNN that additional passengers who had tested for COVID-19 in Japan would likely be added to the U.S. case number count after more verification efforts.
https://www.theepochtimes.com/cdc-confirms-53-cases-of-coronavirus-in-the-us_3248869.html (https://www.theepochtimes.com/cdc-confirms-53-cases-of-coronavirus-in-the-us_3248869.html)
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As of now, the DJIA is down >990 points.
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As of now, the DJIA is down >990 points.
Looks like it's trying to rally late after they've sold into it all day.
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Looks like it's trying to rally late after they've sold into it all day.
Yes, that's typical for a really bad day. There were times it was down over 1,000 points, now it's down about 800.
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CDC Confirms 53 Cases of Coronavirus in the US
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The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) confirmed 53 cases of coronavirus, which causes the disease COVID-19, with the bulk of infections originating from the quarantined Japanese cruise ship.
Thirty-six of those people were on board the Diamond Princess cruise ship that was held in medical isolation for two weeks off the coast of Japan, and three cases were confirmed among people who were evacuated from China. Fourteen U.S. cases were also confirmed, according to the latest count.
The CDC told CNN that additional passengers who had tested for COVID-19 in Japan would likely be added to the U.S. case number count after more verification efforts.
https://www.theepochtimes.com/cdc-confirms-53-cases-of-coronavirus-in-the-us_3248869.html (https://www.theepochtimes.com/cdc-confirms-53-cases-of-coronavirus-in-the-us_3248869.html)
And as the article says, a disproportional number from that cruise ship.
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Yes, that's typical for a really bad day. There were times it was down over 1,000 points, now it's down about 800.
I expect it to rally a bit more, but the bottom line is the market has went from projection to reaction mode, and it will be a slave to the outbreak and it's ultimate toll on the economy.
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In the short term, there was relatively little effect. Companies had material in warehouses and on the ocean. We're getting past that stage. Companies that could are getting materials from sources outside of China, but many cannot or cannot get everything needed to produce their product. On China's side of the ocean some factories are starting back up, but their supply chain is also affected, as are some production people, resulting in a less than smooth restart. So even if production resumes in April (or ________), it will take time to achieve full production, and more time to refill the logistical pipeline.
Smarter companies that could used material suppliers with a built-in "Plan B". A supplier would be asked what their plan would be in the event of an earthquake or typhoon that shut down a particular production plant. The "Plan B" facility would have to be in a different country that would be unaffected by the same natural disaster. I'm stating this in hypothetical terms, but several past and my present employers have done and do this.
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Health officials: 6 confirmed coronavirus cases in San Antonio, Texas
SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS (WIAT, CBS & CNN) Health officials in Texas, say that there are 3 new confirmed cases of the coronavirus, bringing the total in San Antonio to 6.
Officials say they are now awaiting test results of 4 more people who are showing signs of the virus.
About 150 passengers exposed to the virus on the Diamond Princess cruise ship have been under quarantine at Joint Base San Antonio-Lackland for more than a week.
All of the infected people, including one evacuee from Wuhan, China, are currently being held in isolation at the Texas Center for Infectious Disease.
Officials say after exposure to the virus, it takes two to 14 days to potentially become symptomatic. They say the quarantine time for the group will end on March 2nd.
https://www.cbs42.com/top-stories/health-officials-6-confirmed-coronavirus-cases-in-san-antonio-texas/ (https://www.cbs42.com/top-stories/health-officials-6-confirmed-coronavirus-cases-in-san-antonio-texas/)
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Hokkaido woman infected with coronavirus served lunch at local elementary school
A lunch lady in her 50s responsible for delivering meals to classrooms at an elementary school in Ebetsu, Hokkaido, northern Japan, has tested positive for the new coronavirus, the city education board announced on Feb. 23.
The school building will be disinfected before classes resume on Feb. 25. None of the students have reportedly complained of feeling unwell.
According to the Ebetsu Municipal Board of Education, the infected woman is responsible for dividing up the lunch dishes in the school food service room and bringing the meals up to the doors of each classroom for the second to fourth grades, comprising 194 students. She wore a face mask, gloves and a white coat during work.
https://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20200224/p2a/00m/0na/007000c
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In the short term, there was relatively little effect. Companies had material in warehouses and on the ocean. We're getting past that stage. Companies that could are getting materials from sources outside of China, but many cannot or cannot get everything needed to produce their product. On China's side of the ocean some factories are starting back up, but their supply chain is also affected, as are some production people, resulting in a less than smooth restart. So even if production resumes in April (or ________), it will take time to achieve full production, and more time to refill the logistical pipeline.
Smarter companies that could used material suppliers with a built-in "Plan B". A supplier would be asked what their plan would be in the event of an earthquake or typhoon that shut down a particular production plant. The "Plan B" facility would have to be in a different country that would be unaffected by the same natural disaster. I'm stating this in hypothetical terms, but several past and my present employers have done and do this.
I'm worried. We're a small company. When parts go on allocation we're last in line. It only takes one critical part and production stops while payroll and expenses continue.
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I'm worried. We're a small company. When parts go on allocation we're last in line. It only takes one critical part and production stops while payroll and expenses continue.
That's concerning. Your downstream customers are in trouble too.
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I'm worried. We're a small company. When parts go on allocation we're last in line. It only takes one critical part and production stops while payroll and expenses continue.
Identify those critical parts and order extra (rathole 'em).
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First documented case: 20-year-old asymptomatic woman infects 5 members of her family
The Extinction Protocol 2/24/2020
https://theextinctionprotocol.wordpress.com/2020/02/24/first-documented-case-20-year-old-asymptomatic-woman-infects-5-members-of-her-family/ (https://theextinctionprotocol.wordpress.com/2020/02/24/first-documented-case-20-year-old-asymptomatic-woman-infects-5-members-of-her-family/)
A 20-year-old woman, who showed no symptoms of the new coronavirus and had normal chest CT imaging results but ended up passing the infection to five of her relatives. Ever since scientists have been asking if a person can have this infection and not be ill. The new case study offers decisive evidence that the virus can be spread asymptomatically, which could make efforts to curb the outbreak even more challenging, say experts. The researchers of the current study are calling it the first documented case of transmission from an asymptomatic person with normal chest CT findings.
“A novel coronavirus has resulted in an ongoing outbreak of viral pneumonia in China. Person-to-person transmission has been demonstrated, but, to our knowledge, transmission of the novel coronavirus that causes coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) from an asymptomatic carrier with normal chest computed tomography (CT) findings has not been reported,†say the researchers in their findings published in JAMA.
“One previous study reported an asymptomatic 10-year-old boy with COVID-19 infection, but he had abnormalities on chest CT. If the findings in this report of presumed transmission by an asymptomatic carrier are replicated, the prevention of COVID-19 infection would prove challenging. The mechanism by which asymptomatic carriers could acquire and transmit the coronavirus that causes COVID-19 requires further study,†says the team. The team includes experts from Department of Medical Imaging, Henan Provincial People’s Hospital, China; Department of Radiology, Anyang Hospital of Traditional Chinese Medicine, China; Department of Radiology and Interventional, the Fifth People’s Hospital of Anyang, China; Tianjin Medical University Cancer Institute and Hospital, China; and Li Ka Shing Faculty of Medicine, the University of Hong Kong, Hong Kong, China.
More at link.
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Identify those critical parts and order extra (rathole 'em).
They are expensive and the supply chain is probably already broken. If you buy a thousand $20 parts that's $20k tied up in just one part. We use hundreds of different parts. They are made all over the world. Flash memory is supposed to be going on allocation soon. On top of that, if you buy all these parts, there's no guarantee your products will be sold if there's a huge down turn making it even harder to maintain payroll with all your money tied up.
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The president says all we need do is wait for spring, and that is great for northern hemisphere folks around the globe, but the southern hemisphere temps begin to drop and as it gets cold, the virus continues.
This virus is here to stay, and the USA has done fine so far, but it is only a matter of time. Just too many flying here and yonder, minimum efforts to curtail said travel, and all it takes is one infected person on a jet to infect 40-400 people from just as many cities.
I saw a projection of 65 million infected. With 8 billion people worldwide, we will be lucky if it is only 65 million.
The report by Glenn Beck a few days ago was implying the Chinese were burning at least 14,000 bodies outside Wuhan to produce a certain chemical bloom seen via satelite. If that is true, then the mortality rate is in fact much higher than the Chicoms have indicated.
Time will tell. Perhaps the notion of keeping sliced onions in your bedroom when you sleep will become a common practice for many.
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Time will tell. Perhaps the notion of keeping sliced onions in your bedroom when you sleep will become a common practice for many.
Why would you keep onions under your bed? I’ve not heard of this. I bought extra liquid soap and Purell.
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Joyce Karam
@Joyce_Karam
Meet #Iran’s Deputy Health minister Iraj Harirchi. The one profusely sweating, wiping his face in conference. Turns out, he is infected with #Corona.
No definitive # from Iran but hundreds suspected, a lawmaker put deaths at 50. Harichi got quarantined:
https://mobile.twitter.com/Joyce_Karam/status/1232280808616005633
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More Countries Ban Travelers from Korea
english.chosun.com
February 25, 2020 10:01
Hong Kong has banned all travelers from Korea due to the explosive rise in coronavirus infections here over the weekend. All Koreans who do not live in Hong Kong and any foreigners who visited Korea over the last 14 days are prohibited from entering Hong Kong.
Officials there checked passengers aboard four Korean flights that arrived on Monday and placed visitors from Daegu and North Gyeongsang Province on a monitoring list. The Hong Kong government also issued a travel advisory recommending that citizens avoid traveling to Korea.
https://myemail.constantcontact.com/More-Countries-Ban-Travelers-from-Korea.html?soid=1114009586911&aid=w9Y2S4zkFP8
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Coronavirus live updates: CDC warns Americans of 'significant disruption'
U.S. health officials issued a strong warning about novel coronavirus on Tuesday -- that it's no longer a matter of if, but when it will spread in the U.S., and that Americans should prepare for a "significant disruption."
Until now, health officials said they'd hoped to prevent community spread in the U.S. But following community transmissions in Italy, Iran and South Korea, health officials believe the virus may not be able to be contained at the border.
This comes in contrast to statements from the Trump administration. Acting DHS Secretary Chad Wolf said on Tuesday the threat to the U.S. from coronavirus "remains low," despite the White House seeking $1.25 billion in emergency funding to combat the virus.
https://abcnews.go.com/International/coronavirus-live-updates-cdc-warns-americans-significant-disruption/story?id=69190968&cid=clicksource_4380645_2_heads_hero_live_hero_hed
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Coronavirus live updates: CDC warns Americans of 'significant disruption'
U.S. health officials issued a strong warning about novel coronavirus on Tuesday -- that it's no longer a matter of if, but when it will spread in the U.S., and that Americans should prepare for a "significant disruption."
Until now, health officials said they'd hoped to prevent community spread in the U.S. But following community transmissions in Italy, Iran and South Korea, health officials believe the virus may not be able to be contained at the border.
This comes in contrast to statements from the Trump administration. Acting DHS Secretary Chad Wolf said on Tuesday the threat to the U.S. from coronavirus "remains low," despite the White House seeking $1.25 billion in emergency funding to combat the virus.
https://abcnews.go.com/International/coronavirus-live-updates-cdc-warns-americans-significant-disruption/story?id=69190968&cid=clicksource_4380645_2_heads_hero_live_hero_hed (https://abcnews.go.com/International/coronavirus-live-updates-cdc-warns-americans-significant-disruption/story?id=69190968&cid=clicksource_4380645_2_heads_hero_live_hero_hed)
Yes, I just saw the BBC coverage:
Health officials: Coronavirus spread to the US 'inevitable'
Top health officials in the US have warned Americans to brace for the "inevitable" spread of the coronavirus disease that is sweeping the world.
There are 53 confirmed cases in the US, and officials are calling on Congress to urgently pass billions of dollars on the response effort.
President Donald Trump has said the situation is "well under control".
Read more at: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51637481 (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51637481)
Yes, there are lots of places one could contract it, if it ever gets rolling.
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Yes, I just saw the BBC coverage:
Yes, there are lots of places one could contract it, if it ever gets rolling.
"well under control" doesn't seem like a wise statement. This could change quickly. It only takes a few evil people to purposely go out and infect people just to spread the love taking the spotlight off China.
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"well under control" doesn't seem like a wise statement. This could change quickly. It only takes a few evil people to purposely go out and infect people just to spread the love taking the spotlight off China.
Iran seeking revenge?
Iran’s health ministry on Tuesday confirmed 15 deaths from the new coronavirus amid 95 cases in Iran, the most fatalities of any country outside of China.
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Well, let's see here ... another reason yet I am suspicious of this virus being designed to take down the economy to oust Trump. Rod Rosenstein's sister works for the CDC!!! To boot -- she is director for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases at the CDC.
He has one sister, Dr. Nancy Messonnier, director of the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.[18][19]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rod_Rosenstein
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It would behoove Trump when he returns to the US to give a speech or press conference to outline the government's plans for fighting the coronavirus. The incipient panic is counterproductive, but the White House's current "nothing to see here" attitude isn't helpful, either.
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Why would you keep onions under your bed? I’ve not heard of this. I bought extra liquid soap and Purell.
This virus is transmitted like the flu and is easily transmitted. Think about the transmission of the flu -- one of the ways is through a cough or a sneeze. It is airborne -- perhaps the cornavirus is airborne as well. Washing hands may help, but ultimately, even though it was once thought they did more harm than good -- masks seem appropriate. Good luck trying to order them or find them in the stores.
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North Korea
Several N.Koreans Rumored Dead of Coronavirus
By Kim Myong-song | February 26, 2020 11:18
Eight people are rumored to have died of coronavirus in North Korea, a diplomatic source said Tuesday.
The source said the reason North Korea sealed its borders on Jan. 22 was that a number of people there had already died of coronavirus.
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But according to the source, the people who died last month were family members of North Korean diplomats in China and workers in Pyongyang.
Read more at: http://english.chosun.com/m/svc/article.html?contid=2020022601693 (http://english.chosun.com/m/svc/article.html?contid=2020022601693)
This below is news from the Iranian opposition.
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Death of a nurse and two other women due to Corona infection
February 25, 2020
in Women's News
Narges Khanalizadeh, 25 and a nurse, died at Milad Hospital of Lahijan on Tuesday, February 25, 2020 due to Corona infection. The tests of two women who died in Saveh were also positive.
One of the authorities of Milad Hospital said Narges Khanalizadeh had died due to flu, but she had died due to Corona infection and lack of the necessary equipment for physicians and nurses in the hospital. (The state-run Fars news agency – February 25, 2020)
On the deaths of the two other women, the president of the Medical Sciences University of Saveh, Abbas Nikravesh, told the state-run ISNA news agency that the first case belonged to an 82-year-old woman who had a heart condition, kidney condition and a chronic blood disease. She had referred to Modarress Hospital with acute respiratory symptoms and fever, and died after one day.
More: https://women.ncr-iran.org/2020/02/25/death-of-a-nurse-and-two-other-women-due-to-corona-infection/ (https://women.ncr-iran.org/2020/02/25/death-of-a-nurse-and-two-other-women-due-to-corona-infection/)
I think they are saying Chinese students probably brought in the coronavirus from China... which is pitiful for your typical common Iranian. Even one of the Iranian officials got it. You wonder how widespread it is in Iran?
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14% of recovered coronavirus patients in China's Guangdong tested positive again
https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/14-of-recovered-coronavirus-patients-in-chinas-guangdong-tested-positive-again (https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/14-of-recovered-coronavirus-patients-in-chinas-guangdong-tested-positive-again)
FEB 26, 2020
About 14 per cent of patients who recovered from the novel coronavirus and were discharged from hospitals in southern China's Guangdong province were tested positive again in later check-ups, according to the local health authority.
A positive test suggests the recovered patients may still carry the virus, adding complexity to efforts to control the outbreak.
There is no clear conclusion on why it happens and whether such patients could still be infectious, said Song Tie, deputy director of the Guangdong Centre of Disease Control And Prevention (Guangdong CDC), at a Tuesday (Feb 25) briefing.
According to the preliminary assessment, experts believed the patients are still recovering from lung infections and have yet to be fully healthy, according to Song....
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Grounded: No bowling, dining out, or handshakes for US troops in South Korea after first soldier infected with coronavirus
by Jamie McIntyre
February 26, 2020 11:46 AM
American commanders in South Korea have imposed health protection condition Charlie for 28,500 U.S. troops and their families, which places restrictions on activities and interpersonal contact, after an American soldier stationed was found to have been infected by the COVID-19 virus.
The soldier was based at Camp Carroll in a town near Daegu, where the latest outbreak is centered.
The Korea Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said 216 of 284 new cases reported were in Daegu.
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https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/defense-national-security/grounded-no-bowling-dining-out-or-handshakes-for-us-troops-in-south-korea-after-first-soldier-infected-with-coronavirus (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/defense-national-security/grounded-no-bowling-dining-out-or-handshakes-for-us-troops-in-south-korea-after-first-soldier-infected-with-coronavirus)
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Brazil confirms first coronavirus case in Latin America
https://apnews.com/fd3d0d0120dd10f3d09bad78a4dd9539
Brazil’s government confirmed on Wednesday that a 61-year-old Brazilian man who traveled to Italy this month has Latin America’s first confirmed case of the new coronavirus spreading worldwide.
“We will now see how this virus behaves in a tropical country in the middle of summer, how its behavior pattern will be,†Brazil’s Health Minister Luiz Henrique Mandetta said in a press conference....
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Brazil confirms first coronavirus case in Latin America
https://apnews.com/fd3d0d0120dd10f3d09bad78a4dd9539
Brazil’s government confirmed on Wednesday that a 61-year-old Brazilian man who traveled to Italy this month has Latin America’s first confirmed case of the new coronavirus spreading worldwide.
“We will now see how this virus behaves in a tropical country in the middle of summer, how its behavior pattern will be,†Brazil’s Health Minister Luiz Henrique Mandetta said in a press conference....
Gotta agree with the Health Minister. Don't want anyone to be a guinea pig, but now that he has it and exposed others to it, the data will be valuable.
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Coronavirus Recoveries Have Overtaken New Cases
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/coronavirus-recoveries-have-overtaken-new-cases/ar-BB10ni3u (https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/coronavirus-recoveries-have-overtaken-new-cases/ar-BB10ni3u)
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I was just told on a discussion board that according to a facebook post on a page for Royal Decameron Cornwall Beach, there is a group of 50 from northern Italy who will be arriving in Jamaica on Saturday. Don't they have the good sense not to go???? They should not even be allowed to board a plane, I hope they are stopped before their trip begins. They will be mingling with not only Jamaicans but with other guests from all over the US, Canada, Europe, etc who will go back home before they are symptomatic. This is how it starts, folks.
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BREAKING NEWS
Mexican port denies cruise ship permission to dock over coronavirus fears
By REUTERS FEBRUARY 26, 2020 23:09
MEXICO CITY - Mexican port authorities on Wednesday revoked permission for cruise ship MSC Meraviglia to disembark on the island of Cozumel over coronavirus fears, a port official said, after Jamaican and Grand Cayman authorities also said it could not stop.
More: https://www.jpost.com/Breaking-News/Mexican-port-denies-cruise-ship-permission-to-dock-over-coronavirus-fears-618967 (https://www.jpost.com/Breaking-News/Mexican-port-denies-cruise-ship-permission-to-dock-over-coronavirus-fears-618967)
Jamaica denied the ship permission to dock. Maybe they will do the same to these Italians. @LadyLiberty
I was just told on a discussion board that according to a facebook post on a page for Royal Decameron Cornwall Beach, there is a group of 50 from northern Italy who will be arriving in Jamaica on Saturday. Don't they have the good sense not to go???? They should not even be allowed to board a plane, I hope they are stopped before their trip begins. They will be mingling with not only Jamaicans but with other guests from all over the US, Canada, Europe, etc who will go back home before they are symptomatic. This is how it starts, folks.
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Jamaica denied the ship permission to dock. Maybe they will do the same to these Italians. @LadyLiberty
I can imagine what would happen if the US tried turning a ship away like that. If we denied a ship from docking in Puerto Rico, a Hawaiian District judge in the 9th Circus will issue a nationwide injunction forcing the Port Authorities to open the gates into the general population.
We've already seen low-level State Department bureaucrats green-light Corona flights, without the authority to do so.
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Jamaica denied the ship permission to dock. Maybe they will do the same to these Italians. @LadyLiberty
Jamaica has denied a handful of cruise ships from docking.
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WHO Director-General's opening remarks at the mission briefing on COVID-19 - 26 February 2020
https://www.who.int/dg/speeches/detail/who-director-general-s-opening-remarks-at-the-mission-briefing-on-covid-19---26-february-2020 (https://www.who.int/dg/speeches/detail/who-director-general-s-opening-remarks-at-the-mission-briefing-on-covid-19---26-february-2020)
Excellencies, dear colleagues and friends,
First of all, good morning and welcome to our weekly mission briefing on COVID-19. I’m glad that we’re maintaining these regular briefings.
A lot has changed since we briefed you last Wednesday, which illustrates the rapidly evolving nature of this epidemic.
As of 6am Geneva time this morning, China has reported 78,190 cases to WHO, including 2718 deaths.
Yesterday, only 10 new cases were reported in China outside of Hubei province.
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The team has made a range of findings about the transmissibility of the virus, the severity of disease and the impact of the measures taken.
They found that the epidemic peaked and plateaued between the 23rd of January and the 2nd of February, and has been declining steadily since then.
They have found that there has been no significant change in the genetic makeup of the virus.
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But the key message that should give all countries hope, courage and confidence is that this virus can be contained.
Indeed, there are many countries that have done exactly that. 14 countries that have had cases have not reported a case for more than a week, and even more importantly, 9 countries have not reported a case for more than two weeks: Belgium, Cambodia, Finland, India, Nepal, Philippines, the Russian Federation, Sri Lanka and Sweden.
But that doesn’t mean that cases may not come back to these countries. But the cases that made it before have been contained.
Outside China, there are now 2,790 cases in 37 countries, and 44 deaths.
Yesterday, the number of new cases reported outside China exceeded the number of new cases in China for the first time.
The sudden increases of cases in Italy, the Islamic Republic of Iran and the Republic of Korea are deeply concerning.
There are now cases linked to Iran in Bahrain, Iraq, Kuwait and Oman.
There are now cases linked to Italy in Algeria, Austria, Croatia, Germany, Spain and Switzerland.
Yesterday a joint team between WHO and the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control arrived in Rome to review the public health measures that have been put in place and provide technical support.
A WHO team will travel to Iran this weekend to provide support.
The increase in cases outside China has prompted some media and politicians to push for a pandemic to be declared. We should not be too eager to declare a pandemic without a careful and clear-minded analysis of the facts.
More at link.
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WHO Director-General's opening remarks at the mission briefing on COVID-19 - 26 February 2020
https://www.who.int/dg/speeches/detail/who-director-general-s-opening-remarks-at-the-mission-briefing-on-covid-19---26-february-2020 (https://www.who.int/dg/speeches/detail/who-director-general-s-opening-remarks-at-the-mission-briefing-on-covid-19---26-february-2020)
That puts the death rate outside of China at 1.6%, roughly. Bad enough, but that is still less than say, the part of the population who are either immunocompromised or fall into a category of people who are likely to be (nearly 3% of the population in the US). Add in other pre-existing conditions which make a person susceptible to a respiratory virus, and those statistics do not look nearly as bad as the Spanish Flu of 1918, which neared 20%.
IOW, it appears, so far at least, that someone in good health otherwise has a decent chance of beating this bug.
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Now selling by the bottle, 1.5 oz. for $19,95 (plus shipping and handling)...
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Trump might try to dispel unreasonable fears, with probabilities and statistics.
But many people are simply not capable of understanding that.
His detractors will charge "not good enough."
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The president will be addressing the nation any moment on this.
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The president will be addressing the nation any moment on this.
He should send Pelosi and her team to Wuhan to find out what's really going on there.
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He should send Pelosi and her team to Wuhan to find out what's really going on there.
:yowsa:
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What a relief.
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Trumpet sure is some persuader ain't he?
As he telling us not to worry, cuz he has everything under control;
Dow Futures dropped 400 points!!! Way to go Trumpet!!!
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Trumpet sure is some persuader ain't he?
As he telling us not to worry, cuz he has everything under control;
Dow Futures dropped 400 points!!! Way to go Trumpet!!!
If your barometer of public health is the Dow, no wonder you're scared. Of the 35 confirmed cases in the US, five have recovered, none have died, and only one is hospitalized.
Let's see, that means each patient is good for how many points on the Dow?
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This virus is transmitted like the flu and is easily transmitted. Think about the transmission of the flu -- one of the ways is through a cough or a sneeze. It is airborne -- perhaps the cornavirus is airborne as well. Washing hands may help, but ultimately, even though it was once thought they did more harm than good -- masks seem appropriate. Good luck trying to order them or find them in the stores.
I’ve been wearing a scarf over my mouth and nose when I’m out on errands, but I take it off when I’m in the car.
I should get Lysol wipes for the car, for the steering wheel, and other things I touch,
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I’ve been wearing a scarf over my mouth and nose when I’m out on errands, but I take it off when I’m in the car.
I should get Lysol wipes for the car, for the steering wheel, and other things I touch,
Just make sure your scarf has an "out" side and an "in" side, and don't get that mixed up.
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Oh no, mine looked like:
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But my little brother's looked like:
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If your barometer of public health is the Dow, no wonder you're scared. Of the 35 confirmed cases in the US, five have recovered, none have died, and only one is hospitalized.
Let's see, that means each patient is good for how many points on the Dow?
@Smokin Joe
One of my first job out of college had epidemiological reporting inteactions requirments with the CDC at the State Level. One old salty guy in Atlanta I sometimes dealt with told me that some of the media genreated mania generated was more of a overall health detriment tham the disease itself. OF course this was just a few years after the Swine Flu mania debacle of the mid to late 1970's.
My honest opinion? There are three key things to watch.....
(1) Communicability of the infection vector....
(2) Mortality rate. 60 or so days in, nothing is giving me any indication that this thing is exceeding the 2-3% Mortaity Rate. If this continues, this will not be that much more impactful than a normal seasonal flu, which has a 2%, +. or - some change.
(3) And most important, the mutation abilty of the virus. (1) and (2) now seem managable, in its impact on society. All bets are off if (3) show change.
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@Smokin Joe
One of my first job out of college had epidemiological reporting inteactions requirments with the CDC at the State Level. One old salty guy in Atlanta I sometimes dealt with told me that some of the media genreated mania generated was more of a overall health detriment tham the disease itself. OF course this was just a few years after the Swine Flu mania debacle of the mid to 1970's.
My honest opinion? There are three key things to watch.....
(1) Communicability of the infection vector....
(2) Mortality rate. 60 or so days in, nothing is giving me any indication that this thing is exceeding the 2-3% Mortaity Rate. If this continues, this will not be that much more impactful than a normal seasonal flu, which has a 2%
(3) And most important, the mutation abilty of the virus. (1) and (2) now seem managable, in its impact on society. All bets are off if (3) show change.
I agree. Outside China the mortality rate is at 1.1% of known cases.
Those who were infected but generally asymptomatic may not have been included, simply because their symptoms may have been mild enough that they were never tested. (Some people get brutal colds, others seem to not ever get one, and that may be an unseen factor in this disease.)
The mention of SARS and MERS certainly has the fear factor enhanced, but this virus is neither, or the mortality rates would be considerably higher.
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@Smokin Joe
One of my first job out of college had epidemiological reporting inteactions requirments with the CDC at the State Level. One old salty guy in Atlanta I sometimes dealt with told me that some of the media genreated mania generated was more of a overall health detriment tham the disease itself. OF course this was just a few years after the Swine Flu mania debacle of the mid to late 1970's.
My honest opinion? There are three key things to watch.....
(1) Communicability of the infection vector....
(2) Mortality rate. 60 or so days in, nothing is giving me any indication that this thing is exceeding the 2-3% Mortaity Rate. If this continues, this will not be that much more impactful than a normal seasonal flu, which has a 2%, +. or - some change.
(3) And most important, the mutation abilty of the virus. (1) and (2) now seem managable, in its impact on society. All bets are off if (3) show change.
@catfish1957
Only caveat I’ll add to your number 2 is this. From what I’ve read, the Spanish Flu pandemic of 1918 which killed more than 20million people ALSO had a mortality rate of about 2.5%
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@Smokin Joe
One of my first job out of college had epidemiological reporting inteactions requirments with the CDC at the State Level. One old salty guy in Atlanta I sometimes dealt with told me that some of the media genreated mania generated was more of a overall health detriment tham the disease itself. OF course this was just a few years after the Swine Flu mania debacle of the mid to late 1970's.
My honest opinion? There are three key things to watch.....
(1) Communicability of the infection vector....
(2) Mortality rate. 60 or so days in, nothing is giving me any indication that this thing is exceeding the 2-3% Mortaity Rate. If this continues, this will not be that much more impactful than a normal seasonal flu, which has a 2%, +. or - some change.
(3) And most important, the mutation abilty of the virus. (1) and (2) now seem managable, in its impact on society. All bets are off if (3) show change.
That is encouraging.
But why do you suppose China has virtually turned off its economy to deal with the virus? That would seem to imply Covid19 is more serious than the average flu.
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@catfish1957
Only caveat I’ll add to your number 2 is this. From what I’ve read, the Spanish Flu pandemic of 1918 which killed more than 20million people ALSO had a mortality rate of about 2.5%
We don't know the mortality rate of this virus, really. China's stats aren't trustworthy. Confirmed cases outside of China have been running 1.1% so far.
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'Incoherent': Top WHO official rips Trump's 'ignorant' coronavirus news conference
by Dominick Mastrangelo
| February 27, 2020 09:26 AM
A top official at the World Health Organization said President Trump's news conference on the American response to the COVID-19 virus made little sense.
"I found most of what he said a little incoherent," Ezekiel Emanuel, special adviser to the director-general of the World Health Organization, said Wednesday on MSNBC's Hardball. "You know, [Trump's] a guy that admitted that he’s surprised that 25,000 to 69,000 people each year die of the flu. That just tells you how little he actually knows about public health and about the health of the American public."
Emanuel said Trump's news conference revealed how "ignorant" he is about the global outbreak that has infected tens of thousands and led to the deaths of more than 2,000 people around the world.
There have been 60 confirmed cases of the coronavirus in the United States so far.
more
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/incoherent-top-who-official-rips-trumps-ignorant-coronavirus-news-conference (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/incoherent-top-who-official-rips-trumps-ignorant-coronavirus-news-conference)
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That is encouraging.
But why do you suppose China has virtually turned off its economy to deal with the virus? That would seem to imply Covid19 is more serious than the average flu.
That initially concerned me too. But remember the virus vector has about a 14 day life cycle. Introduction to end result. We are now in at least 2 cycles of the virus outside of China. Yes too early to make a 100% evaluation of impact, but we will have a much better handle of lethality in about 2 weeks. What I am not hearing, and am most concerned about is what is the abiltiy to this virus to mutate. In our case we have stocked up much like we would for a hurricane. (A couple of weeks of food, water) Being 60+, no need to increase our chance of infection.
Like myself, nation still needs to make necessary calm zero-hysteria contingent preparations. Better safe than sorry. But I am feeling a little better of late around overall impact.
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@catfish1957
Only caveat I’ll add to your number 2 is this. From what I’ve read, the Spanish Flu pandemic of 1918 which killed more than 20million people ALSO had a mortality rate of about 2.5%
@Axeslinger
This is one that genealogy really came in handy for me. I have always felt that 2.5% mortaility was substantially lower than actual. 1918, was well before public health montioring systems and before when death certificates were 100% institutionalized. If you look at the overall 1918 deaths in country, versus say what was confirmed on a d/c. Many old time doctors early on, often called it a pneumonia. Back then, there obviously was no testing I think it would show that the disease was well undereported, especially early on.
Another dynamic which was so much different then than now, is the mobility of the populus. People today, travel so much more than then. The Flu epidemic strangly often would wipe out a significant chunk of town, while other geopgraphic locations may not have recorded a case. That also impact the percieved mortality rate.
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Japan to close schools nationwide to control spread of coronavirus
https://nypost.com/2020/02/27/japan-to-close-schools-nationwide-to-control-spread-of-virus/
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'Incoherent': Top WHO official rips Trump's 'ignorant' coronavirus news conference
by Dominick Mastrangelo
| February 27, 2020 09:26 AM
Typical MSNBC..... Exploiting a health crisis for left wing political gain. Hope there is a nice little corner in hell for these bastards.
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Japan to close schools nationwide to control spread of coronavirus
https://nypost.com/2020/02/27/japan-to-close-schools-nationwide-to-control-spread-of-virus/
As technologially savy as the Japanese are, I am surprised they don't have some form of contingent School teleconfererncing
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Typical MSNBC..... Exploiting a health crisis for left wing political gain. Hope there is a nice little corner in hell for these bastards.
You and I both. I pray the rest of the public is perceptive enough to find them as repellent as they should.
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Typical MSNBC..... Exploiting a health crisis for left wing political gain. Hope there is a nice little corner in hell for these bastards.
If Trump is "ignorant" then he wasn't briefed. We (taxpayers) shell out for a small army of experts who can do just that. But the CDC lady is Rosenstein's sister. No "deep state" action going on here, folks... *****rollingeyes*****
I think Hell's gonna need a bigger corner...
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It’s time to panic, folks. A woman in Northern California has the flu! Run away!
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We don't know the mortality rate of this virus, really. China's stats aren't trustworthy. Confirmed cases outside of China have been running 1.1% so far.
@Smokin Joe
What bothers me most Joe, is that at some point on the horizon, we are going to see a perfect storm of where the lethality, mutability, and communicability that DOES become an international infrastruture crisis. That concern was there with H5N1. The concern was strong, that in my role as emergency manager at my plant, we were company wide particpant of a such a comprehenive intricate contingency plan, we had it forumulated and implemented to the point of a flip of a light switch. Very scary stuff, which included quantantined plant workers and maintnenance, pre-sterilized drops of provisions, on site physicians, etc.
Thankfully, H5N1 (Bird Flu) never panned out.
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"I found most of what he said a little incoherent," Ezekiel Emanuel, special adviser to the director-general of the World Health Organization, said Wednesday on MSNBC's Hardball. "You know, [Trump's] a guy that admitted that he’s surprised that 25,000 to 69,000 people each year die of the flu. That just tells you how little he actually knows about public health and about the health of the American public."
If the name Ezekiel Emanuel sounds familiar, it should. From Wiki:
Ezekiel Jonathan "Zeke" Emanuel (born September 6, 1957) is an American oncologist and bioethicist[2] and senior fellow at the Center for American Progress. He is the current Vice Provost for Global Initiatives at the University of Pennsylvania and chair of the Department of Medical Ethics and Health Policy.
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His two younger brothers are former Chicago mayor Rahm Emanuel and Hollywood-based talent agent Ari Emanuel.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ezekiel_Emanuel
He's not one to ever let a crisis go to waste.
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@Smokin Joe
What bothers me most Joe, is that at some point on the horizon, we are going to see a perfect storm of where the lethality, mutability, and communicability that DOES become an international infrastruture crisis. That concern was there with H5N1. The concern was strong, that in my role as emergency manager at my plant, we were company wide particpant of a such a comprehenive intricate contingency plan, we had it forumulated and implemented to the point of a light switch. Very scary stuff, which included quantantined plant workers and maintnenance, pre-sterilized drops of provisions, on site physicians, etc.
Thankfully, H5N1 (Bird Flu) never panned out.
I was watching that one, too.
It seems that somewhere along the line, virii sacrifice lethality for communicability. (I guess making it on the margin vs volume exists in the pathogen world, too.) Some day, there will likely be a superbug that either develops on its own or is developed for warfare that will combine those characteristics of being highly communicable and highly lethal, but such would be something no government in their right mind would want to deploy--nor store where their population was vulnerable.
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If the name Ezekiel Emanuel sounds familiar, it should. From Wiki:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ezekiel_Emanuel
He's not one to ever let a crisis go to waste.
"American oncologist and bioethicist[2]"
and that makes him an expert on epidemiological matters? And the degree to go on TV to come across as an expert on such matters?
AMA needs to sanction him, fine him, or whatever they need to do to make him STFU.
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It appears that Trump's news conference didn't lessen fears as I see the DOW plummeting again today.
I asked a stock trader buddy several years back as to what had caused the market to drop a huge amount on a particular day and his comment was, "a cockroach tripped over a cigarette butt". lololol It takes very little to instill fear into the market. Let's just pray this is a HUGE overreaction.
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It appears that Trump's news conference didn't lessen fears as I see the DOW plummeting again today.
I asked a stock trader buddy several years back as to what had caused the market to drop a huge amount on a particular day and his comment was, "a cockroach tripped over a cigarette butt". lololol It takes very little to instill fear into the market. Let's just pray this is a HUGE overreaction.
I’m really worried. This is upsetting. I hope it corrects itself soon.
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I’m really worried. This is upsetting. I hope it corrects itself soon.
Not me. One of my favorite quotes in the world of investing is ..... "run in when everyone else is running out panicking"
Worked well for me in '87, '01, and '09. I still want about a 5-8% correction before I start getting giddy.
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I’m really worried. This is upsetting. I hope it corrects itself soon.
We're already up 500 from the session low.
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We're already up 500 from the session low.
Still can't beleive the 30 year treasuries touched 1.75% this morning. Yuck.
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One official and now, the female VP of Iran, have the virus:
https://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/middle-east/2020/02/27/Iranian-Vice-President-Masoumeh-Ebtekar-tests-positive-for-coronavirus-Report.html (https://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/middle-east/2020/02/27/Iranian-Vice-President-Masoumeh-Ebtekar-tests-positive-for-coronavirus-Report.html)
Moscow, rounding up strays, killing rats.
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2020/02/27/moscow-rounds-up-stray-animals-kills-rats-over-coronavirus-fears-a69436 (https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2020/02/27/moscow-rounds-up-stray-animals-kills-rats-over-coronavirus-fears-a69436)
That doesn't sound good. I heard dogs would not transfer the disease, terrifying for the critters.
You have to take precautions,
Coronavirus: in South Korea, mounting anger, rumours over Shincheonji church as cases rise
The spike in Covid-19 cases has heightened interest in the controversial church, which accounts for over half of the country’s infections
Anger and mistrust reached a peak when an online post detailed its alleged plans to infiltrate traditional churches to spread the virus
https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/health-environment/article/3052550/south-korea-mounting-anger-rumours-over-shincheonji (https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/health-environment/article/3052550/south-korea-mounting-anger-rumours-over-shincheonji)
That would be evil if they did this.
Also, per going to Mecca, a lot of people not being let in by Saudi Arabia:
https://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/middle-east/2020/02/27/Saudi-Arabia-suspends-entry-for-Umrah-pilgrimage-due-to-coronavirus.html (https://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/middle-east/2020/02/27/Saudi-Arabia-suspends-entry-for-Umrah-pilgrimage-due-to-coronavirus.html)
In fact, pilgrimages may have stopped as of now.
(https://www.aljazeera.com/mritems/Images/2020/2/27/89e0702c07aa4df18716a9b0b0e177c6_18.jpg)
Police officers visit remote areas in Altay, China's Xinjiang region, to raise the coronavirus awareness [AFP]
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/02/trump-ready-coronavirus-live-updates-200226235731205.html (https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/02/trump-ready-coronavirus-live-updates-200226235731205.html)
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The same three networks that spent last week spreading fear and panicking the public about corona—essentially a variation of a flu bug—refused to cover the president’s press conference. Sounds like they’ve got an agenda.
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Pence taps career health official to coordinate White House coronavirus response
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/484938-pence-taps-career-health-official-to-coordinate-white-house-coronavirus
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The same three networks that spent last week spreading fear and panicking the public about corona—essentially a variation of a flu bug—refused to cover the president’s press conference. Sounds like they’ve got an agenda.
I watched it live. It was on CNN, Fox, MSNBC and I imagine OAN et. all. The broadcast networks don't bother as the cable news outlets is what people watch nowdays, that and live on-line streaming.
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Israeli scientists: 'In three weeks, we will have coronavirus vaccine'
A team of Israeli scientists are on the cusp of developing the first vaccine against coronavirus, according to Israel’s Minister of Science and Technology, Ofir Akunis. If all goes as planned, the vaccine could be ready within three weeks and available in 90 days.
“Congratulations to MIGAL [The Galilee Research Institute] on this exciting breakthrough. I am confident that there will be further rapid progress, enabling us to provide a needed response to the grave global COVID-19 threat,†Akunis said, referring to the disease caused by the novel coronavirus.
More: https://www.jpost.com/HEALTH-SCIENCE/Israeli-scientists-In-three-weeks-we-will-have-coronavirus-vaccine-619101 (https://www.jpost.com/HEALTH-SCIENCE/Israeli-scientists-In-three-weeks-we-will-have-coronavirus-vaccine-619101)
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Pence taps career health official to coordinate White House coronavirus response
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/484938-pence-taps-career-health-official-to-coordinate-white-house-coronavirus
FTA:
Birx currently serves as the ambassador-at-large for the State Department coordinating the U.S. efforts to combat HIV/AIDS. An Obama-era appointee, she has held that role since 2014.
Since everything O'Bastard touches turns to shit, how is this Birx person being elevated a good thing? O'Bastard actually went out of his way to staff his agencies with libtards.
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I watched it live. It was on CNN, Fox, MSNBC and I imagine OAN et. all. The broadcast networks don't bother as the cable news outlets is what people watch nowdays, that and live on-line streaming.
...unless it happens those people are watching their favorite shows.
Cable news viewership is still dwarfed by broadcast news audiences and previously the broadcast networks felt a responsibility to preempt regular programming to carry presidential news conferences on a topic of such national concern. They certainly did with every inane Obama utterance.
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FTA:
Since everything O'Bastard touches turns to shit, how is this Birx person being elevated a good thing? O'Bastard actually went out of his way to staff his agencies with libtards.
Because certainly, at a time like this, a political loyalty test is infinitely more important than her credentials and experience in these matters.
She seems to be a good pick in that she has the right scientific and medical experience plus experience in interagency coordination and international cooperation.
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...unless it happens those people are watching their favorite shows.
Cable news viewership is still dwarfed by broadcast news audiences and previously the broadcast networks felt a responsibility to preempt regular programming to carry presidential news conferences on a topic of such national concern. They certainly did with every inane Obama utterance.
People who are more interested in watching Judge Judy, Ellen or Wheel of Fortune, aren't going to watch the press conference
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FTA:
Since everything O'Bastard touches turns to shit, how is this Birx person being elevated a good thing? O'Bastard actually went out of his way to staff his agencies with libtards.
Because one group Obama looked out for was the homosexual population. There is a good chance this person is competent. (One of the reasons for Obamacare was to let the rest of us pay for AIDS patients.)
As long as the doctor does medicine before politics, and keeping in mind immuno compromised people are more at risk than the general population, this might be a decent pick.
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Iranian deputy health minister, diagnosed with coronavirus, goes into quarantine as locals accuse Tehran of cover-up
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/26/iranian-health-minister-diagnosed-with-coronavirus-goes-into-quarantine-as-locals-accuse-tehran-of-cover-up.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/26/iranian-health-minister-diagnosed-with-coronavirus-goes-into-quarantine-as-locals-accuse-tehran-of-cover-up.html)
FEB 26 2020
KEY POINTS
Iran’s government confirmed 139 cases and 19 deaths from the fast-spreading virus as of Wednesday, the highest number of fatalities outside China, where the disease has taken more than 2,600 lives and sickened more than 80,000.
Secretary of State Mike Pompeo expressed concern on Tuesday that Tehran may be withholding “vital details†and urged all countries to “tell the truth about the coronavirus.â€
Iran’s neighbors have shut their borders with the country and most Middle Eastern countries have now suspended flights to and from Iran.
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Trump has a genuine problem in that virtually everyone at the CDC is against him, i.e. uber liberals. And I do not put it past these folks to drag their feet to make this outbreak worse than what it could be. Do not underestimate the ability of these liberal healthcare folks to be extremely political.
It is no mystery to me why Trump selected Pence to head up the effort. The fact is that all these medical folks are uber liberals, and they are not to be trusted.
Evidence of this fact that the test kits for this virus do not work. That is convenient, and very handicapping in the event we have a real outbreak in the USA. The liberals are so desperate they will pull very dastardly actions to knock Trump down.
For all here, trust people in the medical field at your own peril. Should you end up with the virus, I would suggest that if it is severe, do everything you can to avoid going to a hospital. Our hospitals are rich in bugs that if you get exposed while your immunity is lowered, you could easily die. I am talking about bugs that do not respond to antibiotics.
Fact is, the CDC is not tracking fully all the people dying from these bugs at present. They are only implementing programs now to track them, and they are doing it in only a handful of states.
As a final note, if any of you caught the Glenn Beck segment on corona virus one week ago or so, he implied that the Chinese were burning what had to be over 14,000 bodies right outside of Wuhan at one time to produce some sulphur gas seen via satellite. If what he reported is accurate, then the mortality rate is much higher.
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People who are more interested in watching Judge Judy, Ellen or Wheel of Fortune, aren't going to watch the press conference
Not sure what you’re trying to say here. If all three networks interrupted their programming it would certainly get their viewers attention with coverage of a message update from the president and CDC medical experts.
It’s pretty obvious to me the networks didn’t want that to happen.
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As a final note, if any of you caught the Glenn Beck segment on corona virus one week ago or so, he implied that the Chinese were burning what had to be over 14,000 bodies right outside of Wuhan at one time to produce some sulphur gas seen via satellite. If what he reported is accurate, then the mortality rate is much higher.
The CDC has been preoccupied for years with things like motorcycle helmets and "gun violence".
As for Beck's emissions estimate, that leaves out the number of infected. Chances are good the Chinese aren't reporting either infected nor mortality honestly, so the rate may still be low, but the number of infections grossly understated.
It's just unreliable data.
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Not sure what you’re trying to say here. If all three networks interrupted their programming it would certainly get their viewers attention with coverage of a message update from the president and CDC medical experts.
It’s pretty obvious to me the networks didn’t want that to happen.
I'd venture that the demographic addicted to Judge Judy, et. al. leans quite a bit lefter than normal folks. A lot of anecdotal scuttlebutt out there, that that same demographic group was none too pleased with the dims pre-empting their viewership with that impeachment "stuff". :silly:
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One more thought, when it pertains to hospitals, studies show that doctors in particular do not wash their hands going from one patient to another. It was like 20%, and nurses were at 47% or so. If you or someone you know ends up in a hospital, regardless of reason, demand all people that approach you or someone you know wash their hands before they touch anyone.
Believe it or not, the CDC in Africa with the ebola outbreak had training on why it was important to wash your hands. The medical folks in Africa were utterly clueless as to why this is important.
If you go to a hospital, visit someone in a hospital, please try and thoroughly wash your hands when you enter your home, wash them after going anywhere outside your house and return home.
WASH YOUR HANDS BEFORE TOUCHING ANYTHING IN YOUR HOME
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The same three networks that spent last week spreading fear and panicking the public about corona—essentially a variation of a flu bug—refused to cover the president’s press conference. Sounds like they’ve got an agenda.
Listening to Rush; he states he has been misquoted, and the media is "weaponizing" the Corona-virus
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Trump has a genuine problem in that virtually everyone at the CDC is against him, i.e. uber liberals. And I do not put it past these folks to drag their feet to make this outbreak worse than what it could be. Do not underestimate the ability of these liberal healthcare folks to be extremely political.
It is no mystery to me why Trump selected Pence to head up the effort. The fact is that all these medical folks are uber liberals, and they are not to be trusted.
Evidence of this fact that the test kits for this virus do not work. That is convenient, and very handicapping in the event we have a real outbreak in the USA. The liberals are so desperate they will pull very dastardly actions to knock Trump down.
For all here, trust people in the medical field at your own peril. Should you end up with the virus, I would suggest that if it is severe, do everything you can to avoid going to a hospital. Our hospitals are rich in bugs that if you get exposed while your immunity is lowered, you could easily die. I am talking about bugs that do not respond to antibiotics.
Fact is, the CDC is not tracking fully all the people dying from these bugs at present. They are only implementing programs now to track them, and they are doing it in only a handful of states.
As a final note, if any of you caught the Glenn Beck segment on corona virus one week ago or so, he implied that the Chinese were burning what had to be over 14,000 bodies right outside of Wuhan at one time to produce some sulphur gas seen via satellite. If what he reported is accurate, then the mortality rate is much higher.
I listened to a segment of Beck's on the coronavirus -- estimates by his researcher is closer to 350,000 infected, I don't recall the mortality rate.
Also there are two things that KILL this virus; bleach and sunlight.
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One more thought, when it pertains to hospitals, studies show that doctors in particular do not wash their hands going from one patient to another. It was like 20%, and nurses were at 47% or so. If you or someone you know ends up in a hospital, regardless of reason, demand all people that approach you or someone you know wash their hands before they touch anyone.
Believe it or not, the CDC in Africa with the ebola outbreak had training on why it was important to wash your hands. The medical folks in Africa were utterly clueless as to why this is important.
If you go to a hospital, visit someone in a hospital, please try and thoroughly wash your hands when you enter your home, wash them after going anywhere outside your house and return home.
WASH YOUR HANDS BEFORE TOUCHING ANYTHING IN YOUR HOME
When you are out, carry hand sanitizer and drench your hands -- it needs to be the alcohol type. Let air dry.
When entering your vehicle, before you touch the steering wheel -- use hand sanitizer.
Don't touch your face when you're out.
Once you get home, thoroughly wash your hand with soap and water long enough to sing Happy Birthday.
Sanitize all door handles that you touched to get into your home.
Wash your hands thoroughly again.
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Turn Off The News (Build A Garden)
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqwJbiPXh-Y#)
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Listening to Rush; he states he has been misquoted, and the media is "weaponizing" the Corona-virus
Much like they did with Bush after Katrina. Bank on it.
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Trump has a genuine problem in that virtually everyone at the CDC is against him, i.e. uber liberals. And I do not put it past these folks to drag their feet to make this outbreak worse than what it could be. Do not underestimate the ability of these liberal healthcare folks to be extremely political.
It is no mystery to me why Trump selected Pence to head up the effort. The fact is that all these medical folks are uber liberals, and they are not to be trusted.
Evidence of this fact that the test kits for this virus do not work. That is convenient, and very handicapping in the event we have a real outbreak in the USA. The liberals are so desperate they will pull very dastardly actions to knock Trump down.
For all here, trust people in the medical field at your own peril. Should you end up with the virus, I would suggest that if it is severe, do everything you can to avoid going to a hospital. Our hospitals are rich in bugs that if you get exposed while your immunity is lowered, you could easily die. I am talking about bugs that do not respond to antibiotics.
Fact is, the CDC is not tracking fully all the people dying from these bugs at present. They are only implementing programs now to track them, and they are doing it in only a handful of states.
As a final note, if any of you caught the Glenn Beck segment on corona virus one week ago or so, he implied that the Chinese were burning what had to be over 14,000 bodies right outside of Wuhan at one time to produce some sulphur gas seen via satellite. If what he reported is accurate, then the mortality rate is much higher.
Yes, virtually everyone working at the CDC is working against Trump and all are uber liberals. Every single man and woman working at the CDC.
Glen Beck? FWIW I was out in my car earlier today and caught some of his program. In about 10 minutes of listening I heard so many falsehoods that I started yelling at the car radio. At one point he was saying he didn’t believe that anti-bacterial soap was good but now with this virus, everyone should be using lots and lots of anti-bacterial soap because evidently he doesn’t know the difference between a virus and a bacteria and that was only one example. Beck like Limbaugh are both idiots on this subject but on opposite ends of the spectrum. But hey, if you want to listen to talk radio jocks instead of people in the medical field be my guest. BTW, Glen was also promoting getting a “home surgery kit†just in case during the Coronavirus global catastrophe, someone in your family need to have their appendix taken out. He wasn’t joking.
“sulphur gas seen via satelliteâ€
https://fullfact.org/health/satellites-wuhan-sulphur-dioxide-coronavirus/ (https://fullfact.org/health/satellites-wuhan-sulphur-dioxide-coronavirus/)
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/feb/26/facebook-posts/china-air-quality-projections-used-promote-coronav/ (https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/feb/26/facebook-posts/china-air-quality-projections-used-promote-coronav/)
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This is one of those times I truly wish I hadn't thought I was so darn smart and went to college instead of the workforce.
Wouldn't it be wonderful to have a degree in biotech and really get the gist of this...or be able to cure it.
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I almost want to just go get this bug and get it over with. Spend a week or so puking and then get better and have it done.
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https://www.cnsnews.com/article/international/james-carstensen/eu-defends-open-border-decision-coronavirus-spreads (https://www.cnsnews.com/article/international/james-carstensen/eu-defends-open-border-decision-coronavirus-spreads)
EU Defends Open Border Decision as Coronavirus Spreads
Berlin (CNSNews.com) – European ministers are defending a controversial decision to keep internal borders open despite fears of the China-originated coronavirus, which has hit Italy particularly hard, spreading to more countries.
“This is a situation of concern but we must not give in to panic,†E.U. Health Commissioner Stella Kyriakides told reporters in Rome on Wednesday. “We must also be vigilant when it comes to misinformation and disinformation.â€
“Viruses know no borders, it is only through global cooperation and coordination that we will be able to contain the spread of COVID-19,†she added on Twitter.
Given the outbreak in Italy, this decision seems unwise.
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Israeli scientists: 'In three weeks, we will have coronavirus vaccine'
A team of Israeli scientists are on the cusp of developing the first vaccine against coronavirus, according to Israel’s Minister of Science and Technology, Ofir Akunis. If all goes as planned, the vaccine could be ready within three weeks and available in 90 days.
“Congratulations to MIGAL [The Galilee Research Institute] on this exciting breakthrough. I am confident that there will be further rapid progress, enabling us to provide a needed response to the grave global COVID-19 threat,†Akunis said, referring to the disease caused by the novel coronavirus.
More: https://www.jpost.com/HEALTH-SCIENCE/Israeli-scientists-In-three-weeks-we-will-have-coronavirus-vaccine-619101 (https://www.jpost.com/HEALTH-SCIENCE/Israeli-scientists-In-three-weeks-we-will-have-coronavirus-vaccine-619101)
It sounds like there are several vaccines in the work, two in the US and this one from Israel. And ??? too? If this vaccine from Israel works, that will set up some interesting, ummm, international reaction.
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It sounds like there are several vaccines in the work, two in the US and this one from Israel. And ??? too? If this vaccine from Israel works, that will set up some interesting, ummm, international reaction.
...hmm...chances are that Congress won't give Trump the $$ to make sure that the vaccine is replicated here ... they tend to have a way of making mush out of a good thing.
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And Thailand claimed they had something working too; so a few of these reports.
This is a world news story and everyone is welcome to comment as they care... but eventually, if it really hits the US, this should be?? I don't know, it will remain a world news story but it will also be a national news story and it will also be a health story, I think I saw the health forum got a few coronavirus stories... so, I don't know how we will handle this.. but everyone is welcomed to their say here.
I mean, if it starts hitting somewhere in the states hard, we can post in those other appropriate areas, everything though, is very welcomed here.
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Iranian deputy health minister, diagnosed with coronavirus, goes into quarantine as locals accuse Tehran of cover-up
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/26/iranian-health-minister-diagnosed-with-coronavirus-goes-into-quarantine-as-locals-accuse-tehran-of-cover-up.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/26/iranian-health-minister-diagnosed-with-coronavirus-goes-into-quarantine-as-locals-accuse-tehran-of-cover-up.html)
FEB 26 2020
KEY POINTS
Iran’s government confirmed 139 cases and 19 deaths from the fast-spreading virus as of Wednesday, the highest number of fatalities outside China, where the disease has taken more than 2,600 lives and sickened more than 80,000.
Secretary of State Mike Pompeo expressed concern on Tuesday that Tehran may be withholding “vital details†and urged all countries to “tell the truth about the coronavirus.â€
Iran’s neighbors have shut their borders with the country and most Middle Eastern countries have now suspended flights to and from Iran.
Iranian deputy health minister, diagnosed with coronavirus, goes into quarantine as locals accuse Tehran of cover-up
hahaha
Iran’s Deputy Health Minister Iraj Harirchi looked visibly feverish as he spoke on state television Monday, downplaying the spread of the new coronavirus in Iran. Without a face mask on, wiping sweat off his forehead and speaking to local press, he coughed into a tissue several times.
Great job, Harry. Too little, too late.
hahaha
Everybody in the first three rows at the presser should be in quarantine.
Iran is reporting 14% mortality.
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Do not say "I'll get it to get over it", because have others heard? There are cases where they have had it and get over it only to get it again. I swear, I've read that a few times.
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I heard some guy interviewed on the radio saying maybe Iran is suffering from the sanctions in this...guess what?
U.S. Grants Sanctions Waiver to Ease Humanitarian Aid to Iran via Swiss Channel
February 27, 2020
WASHINGTON, Feb 27 (Reuters) – The United States on Thursday granted a license to allow for certain humanitarian trade transactions with Iran‘s sanctioned central bank, a move it said was in step with the formalization of a Swiss humanitarian aid channel.
The newly created channel, which the U.S. Treasury Department said became fully operational on Thursday as it granted the license, would allow for companies to send food, medicine and other critical supplies to Iran.
“The Swiss Humanitarian Trade Arrangement will help ensure that humanitarian goods continue to reach the Iranian people without diversion by the regime,†Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin said in a statement.
Read more at: https://kayhanlife.com/news/iran/u-s-grants-sanctions-waiver-to-ease-humanitarian-aid-to-iran-via-swiss-channel/?fbclid=IwAR0PkBdYkw9Is3-nyi8jbN9pIYHmxaqpy9pBJpoaAwm0hyCCLQLHTpWp8P0
We have sanctions on them but perhaps, other countries, indeed do not. They are still in that JCPOA agreement, hopefully, they should have been able to take up any slack. Right, is this not all correct? Germany or whatever, might still be doing business with them.
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Ya'll might to want to check Youtube for some different perspectives.
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCROfQAJ7aw#)
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How about this? One of the Senators spoke about this today so though, this is Zero Hedge, there were other stories saying this, May 2019:
US Is Dependent On China For Almost 80% Of Its Medicine
Experts are warning that the U.S. has become way too reliant on China for all our medicine, our pain killers, antibiotics, vitamins, aspirin and many cancer treatment medicine.
Fox Business reports that according to FDA estimates at least 80 percent of active ingredients found in all of America’s medicine come from abroad, primarily from China. And it’s not just the ingredients, China wants to become the world’s dominant generic drug maker. So far Chinese companies are making generic for everything from high blood pressure to chemotherapy drugs. 90 percent of America’s prescriptions are for generic drugs.
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cX7A1kD9pnk#)
See more at: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-05-31/us-dependent-china-almost-80-its-medicine (https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-05-31/us-dependent-china-almost-80-its-medicine)
.... This is what happens when you depend on #China for 80% of our pharmaceuticals
https://twitter.com/marcorubio/status/1233376091185741825 (https://twitter.com/marcorubio/status/1233376091185741825)
And people say and rightly so in fact, that medicines cost so much. So, I'm not sure what this is all about and if the Chinese drugs are quality, could some of them just be aspirin and the like? It would deserve to be studied but STILL.
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‘Made In China’ Includes Most US Medicines, Expert Says ‘It’s Mind Boggling’
By Robbie Owens
February 27, 2020 at 6:38 pm
Filed Under:China, Coronavirus, Covid-19, DFW News, Pandemic, Sick People
NORTH TEXAS (CBSDFW.COM) – Will shuttered factories impact supplies?
The now worldwide concern over the spread of the novel coronavirus is shining new light on a largely overlooked U.S. vulnerability, unrelated to the actual illness: almost all of the nation’s life saving drugs are in some way sourced in China.
“It’s a mind boggling thing: we abdicated control of our own pharmaceuticals to China,†says Professor David Jacobson at SMU’s Cox School of Business and an expert on China. “China controls almost 100% of the generic medications that are prescribed in the United States. And now if they can’t make it, we don’t have an alternative place.â€â€‹
Professor Jacobson issued that quiet warning in an interview with CBS 11 News last month. Now, so much has changed as the virus spreads and panic grips the world.​
Read more at: https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2020/02/27/made-in-china-includes-most-us-medicines-expert-says-its-mind-boggling/
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https://apnews.com/a7d2aaac19fc3022ba686ba91e7d4395
Mexico confirms first 2 cases of coronavirus
MEXICO CITY (AP) — Mexico’s assistant health secretary announced Friday that the country now has two confirmed cases of the new coronavirus.
Hugo Lopez-Gatell said one of the patients is in Mexico City and the other in the northern state of Sinaloa. While a second test is still pending on that case, he said, “We are treating this as confirmed.†Neither is seriously ill.
At least five family contacts of the first patient have been placed in isolation. He said one of the men had contact with someone who had traveled to the northern Italian region where there has been an outbreak.
President Andrés Manuel López Obrador appeared to downplay the seriousness of the COVID-19 virus, saying “it isn’t even equivalent to flu.†(emphasis added by me)
More at URL above...
Poster's comment:
Mexico --> USA looks to be "the vector" as to how COVID-19 breaks out here big-time.
Look at how the leader of their country regards this...
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How about this? One of the Senators spoke about this today so though, this is Zero Hedge, there were other stories saying this, May 2019:
And people say and rightly so in fact, that medicines cost so much. So, I'm not sure what this is all about and if the Chinese drugs are quality, could some of them just be aspirin and the like? It would deserve to be studied but STILL.
This virus might end up being a blessing in disguise for us, revealing as it has the extreme dependence we've developed on a partner as unreliable as China. Hopefully we'll wise up and either bring this mfg capacity home or at least spread it around a bit.
But I'm afraid it'll take a federal law to prevent things from going right back to the way it was, as the arrangement with China has undoubtedly made a few powerful people very wealthy.
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WHO Daily Press Briefing on now:
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itP54nMn2sE&feature=youtu.be#)
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Huge disaster for Iran and this has really been in the span of about a week, more people die of the virus than in that plane wreck. Then, you had about 1,500 protesters gunned down late last year.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1233442023891447811/ppRNlNA-?format=jpg&name=small)
Iran death toll from coronavirus reaches 210: BBC Persian
The number of deaths across Iran from the outbreak of the novel coronavirus is at least 210, BBC Persian reported citing its sources from hospitals in Iran.
The capital Tehran has had the most deaths so far from the outbreak followed by the city of Qom, BBC Persian said in its report.
The death toll from coronavirus in Iran is “much higher†than the official death toll, Iranian MP Gholamali Jafarzadeh Imenabadi said on Friday, adding that he has documented “horrific numbers†from cemeteries in his city Rasht in northern Iran.
(https://vid.alarabiya.net/images/2020/02/26/50575648-776c-4930-b017-11ef9b39adc9/50575648-776c-4930-b017-11ef9b39adc9.png)
More: https://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/middle-east/2020/02/28/Iran-death-toll-from-coronavirus-reaches-210-BBC-Persian.html?fbclid=IwAR0pWIVbxfv-VzU78kcwn9w1C5tQRY1h90mNBZkDJkoDXgU-KQHuedUyBeM
Diamond Princess, 5 have died off their ship, how many were there originally? Like around 75 or something.
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Earlier this week (I think it was Monday) on his CNBC show, Jim Cramer went on a big rant about so much of the raw materials for medicines coming from China. Said he had a talk with Larry Kudlow on the subject and asked him to bend Trump's ear regarding same.
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Bring back Pharma manufacturing to areas that are economically suffering in the USA, i.e. Puerto Rico, where it was huge before shipping it to China.
The time has come to end manufacturing everything in China. It is not in the best interests of the American people.
Watch our stock market plummet to 15,000.
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Sixth passenger from Diamond Princess cruise ship dies from coronavirus
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/public-global-health/485172-sixth-passenger-from-diamond-princess-cruise-ship-dies
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Interesting info from Italy: https://twitter.com/Alicia_Smith19/status/1233427141838229506 (https://twitter.com/Alicia_Smith19/status/1233427141838229506)
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The countries that can rationally and financially report and do the steps necessary to combat this virus are vanishingly small.
The "regular" flu has killed over 16,000 people worldwide, reported, and kills between 250,00 to 650,000 people every year.
The video I posted above.
Don't listen to WHO or the Chinese Govt. WATCH what they are doing.
The WHO is corrupt, underfunded, etc. And in bed or deeply in bedded with the CCP.
The President's response, AT THIS TIME, seems proportional and proactive.
There is so many different sources, or whatever, reporting different numbers, it gets pretty confusing.
I am taking measures now, as far as basic food staples. But that is nothing new. We restock for at least six months worth and up to a year in basic foods. September to March. Etc. Due to the nature of my work, I have really good masks at hand. Not to mention the respirators.
Prepare now. Steady and measured. And not necessarily because of a pandemic.
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Chicken Soup Won’t Stop the Coronavirus
A doctor’s common-sense guide to protecting yourself and your family
By Jeremy Brown February 27, 2020
As the coronavirus continues to spread around the world, there are now more new cases being reported outside of China than within the country where the outbreak began. On Wednesday the World Health Organization put the number of new cases in China at 411, with a total of 427 reported in other countries. Later that day, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention confirmed an infection with the virus that causes COVID-19 in California. The new figures lend support for the warning issued earlier this week by the CDC that an outbreak of coronavirus inside the United States, triggered by someone unwittingly bringing the disease into the country, was inevitable. “It’s not so much of a question of if this will happen anymore†said the CDC’s Dr. Nancy Messonnier on Tuesday, “but rather more of a question of exactly when this will happen.â€
The bad news is that there is no current vaccine or medication against the virus. The good news is that simple non-pharmacological interventions are extremely effective at preventing its spread. COVID-19, as the disease is officially called, is caused by a new version of the ubiquitous coronavirus, which is a common cause of the winter colds and sniffles we’ve all had at some time. Those winter viruses, including influenza, are spread in droplets, have a hard time surviving in warm or humid weather, and need a living host. It is these factors that allow us to limit the spread of disease and keep ourselves healthy.
The current recommendations to check the spread of COVID-19 are based on the same ones used to curb the spread of influenza. They are focused on NPIs, or non-pharmacological interventions, and they are practices that we should already be following each and every winter, regardless of the threat of a pandemic. They fall into three categories. The first of these is personal and are the things we should be doing every day. Throughout influenza season we should be covering our face when we sneeze or cough, washing our hands frequently, and staying home when we get sick so that we don’t infect others. These are tried and tested measures to effectively limit the spread of winter coughs, colds, and influenza, and they are just as important in combating coronavirus. Face masks, on the other hand, don’t appear to add very much protection. They may trap some droplets in the air that carry viral particles, but they quickly become saturated, and unless they are hermetically sealed, they do not provide anywhere near total protection. But if you choose to use one, dispose of it without touching the front of the mask itself and then wash your hands.
More at: https://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/299907/coronavirus-common-sense (https://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/299907/coronavirus-common-sense)
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BNO Newsroom
@BNODesk
The Washington State Department of Health will hold a press briefing on coronavirus at 8 p.m. PT (11 p.m. ET). No details given.
https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1233581853854064640
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2019-2020 U.S. Flu Season: Preliminary Burden Estimates
CDC estimates* that, from October 1, 2019, through February 22, 2020, there have been:
32,000,000 – 45,000,000 flu illnesses
14,000,000 – 21,000,000 flu medical visits
310,000 – 560,000 flu hospitalizations
18,000 – 46,000 flu deaths
*Because influenza surveillance does not capture all cases of flu that occur in the U.S., CDC provides these estimated ranges to better reflect the larger burden of influenza. These estimates are calculated based on CDC’s weekly influenza surveillance data and are preliminary.
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm (https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm)
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Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
Congratulations and thank you to our great Vice President & all of the many professionals doing such a fine job at CDC & all other agencies on the Coronavirus situation. Only a very small number in U.S., & China numbers look to be going down. All countries working well together!
9:39 PM · Feb 27, 2020·Twitter for iPhone
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1233220106324451328
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US Leads In Preventing Spread Of COVID-19 …Europe, Other Continents Faring Far Worse!
No Tricks Zone By P Gosselin on 29. February 2020
https://notrickszone.com/2020/02/29/us-leads-in-preventing-spread-of-covid-19-europe-other-continents-faring-far-worse/ (https://notrickszone.com/2020/02/29/us-leads-in-preventing-spread-of-covid-19-europe-other-continents-faring-far-worse/)
Lately we’ve been hearing lots from desperate politicians suggesting that the US response to the spread of the COVID-19 virus has not been adequate.
Far worse in Europe
Here in Europe we’ve been hearing a lot about new cases arising on a daily basis, and when I compare the number of U.S.cases (February 29, 2020) to those reported here and in other countries, it’s hard to understand what all the commotion in the US is about. Things are far worse in Europe.
So far the US has reported 66 cases among a population of over 330 million. That translates to about 0.2 cases per million, despite the huge volume of travel between the US and Asia. In France and Germany the rate is 5 times higher (though they are doing a pretty good job fighting the spread). In Italy it’s 75 times greater!
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More at link.
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Iran coronavirus crisis — the new epicentre of the world? Australia waits to get a case, then blocks flights
JoNova 2/29/2020
http://joannenova.com.au/2020/02/iran-coronavirus-crisis-the-new-epicentre-of-the-world-australia-still-importing-deadly-disease/ (http://joannenova.com.au/2020/02/iran-coronavirus-crisis-the-new-epicentre-of-the-world-australia-still-importing-deadly-disease/)
Amazing. Sinbad reports on the situation in Iran. He is a commenter here who speaks the language. I can’t confirm this except to say that #Coronavirusupdates Iran looks like everything he is describing. Officially there are only 388 cases and 34 deaths. But on twitter, just like China, censorship and denial and so much more. Mass graves. Corrupt officials. Mass spraying of the streets. But if there is no attempt to stop it spreading (no lockdown like China has done) this will truly run wild. Those poor people. Germany closed flights in January, related to other problems in Iran. In the last week Iraq, Oman, Turkey, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Tajikistan, UAE, Kuwait all closed borders with Iran. Australia, with lower medical standards imported a case from Iran today instead. – Jo
UPDATE: Finally, today the Australian government banned arrivals from Iran without a two week holiday stopover somewhere. That’s a lot better but should be mandatory proper quarantine. The government now has the arduous job of tracking the 40 people (or more) she may have infected and the people those victims may have infected (their families). Those 40+ people now have the stressful wait to find out if they got “luckyâ€. Hopefully they’ll all survive and the virus doesn’t spread wildly. Why did we take this risk?
PS: As Chiefio says: The virus can’t walk…
“How to prevent and stop the spread is easy. But it will not be done.
The virus has no legs nor wings. It can not move from country to country on its own.
Stop international and inter regional travel for 40 days. During that time, test everyone from any region with disease. Those infected go off to disease camp and stay there until dead, or cured plus any relapse time possible. Workers in the camp have separate quarters area from the sick and do not return to the outside population until 40 days after the last case is discharged.
From Sinbad,
Hi all,
A bit of update on the Iranian front since my last post
1- The regime has no plan to quarantine. Multiple officials including the ‘president’ have come out and refuted it as ‘unscientific’ and ‘backward’.
2- The regime views everything from a security lens. Consequently, regime mouthpieces have already stated that the ‘enemy’ will seize upon any chance to bring the country to a standstill in turn leading to the toppling of a an extremely hated and weakened theocracy. The fascisti are extremely paranoid at this stage. This means that the mullahcracy is committed to the exact opposite of what the rest of the world is doing. As i stated in my original post, they have no intention of controlling it. As the architect in Matrix put it ‘there are levels of survival we are prepared to accept’. The population is expendable.
3- An MP for the city of Rasht, capital of Gilan province along the Caspian sea, has described the situation as ‘horrific’, based upon burial numbers from the city’s main cemetery, claiming that the number of deaths are much higher. However, he does not dare to tell how many due to ramifications.
4- The above is mirrored in reports of 2000 freshly dug graves in the city of Qom over the last week or so. Chinese despots build hospitals in 7 days, the mullahs dig thousands of graves in one week. There are multiple reports, citizen journalism, of people of all ages and sexes dying quite quickly, 2-3 days, and being hurriedly buried covered in lye. Relatives either being told to keep their mouths shut or bought off with some small lump sum. This common practice by the regime.
5- Another council official from Tehran has made a claim of 15000 infected for the entire country. This was a few days ago.
6- The actual numbers? No one knows. The regime is not interested. They are not monitoring nor do they have any protocols in place. The numbers of available kits are minuscule.
More at link.
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BNO Newsroom
@BNODesk
BREAKING: Washington state reports first U.S. death from coronavirus
https://mobile.twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1233813398086967296
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Department of Health confirms first coronavirus death in Washington state
https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/department-health-confirms-first-coronavirus-death-washington-state/XIDPHMLVOJAAREQ5YCL75367PU/ (https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/department-health-confirms-first-coronavirus-death-washington-state/XIDPHMLVOJAAREQ5YCL75367PU/)
The Washington Department of Health confirmed Saturday the first coronavirus-related death in Washington state, according to a press release.
Health officials said there are new King County cases in addition to the two new cases confirmed Friday evening.
The department is hosting a press conference at 1 p.m. to provide further details.
KIRO 7 will livestream the press conference at this link. (https://kiro.tv/LiveNews)
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Trump's Decisive Actions Helped Save Lives During Coronavirus Epidemic, Experts Admit
By Matt Margolis February 29, 2020
Democrats and the media may be trying to pile the bogus attacks on Trump over the United States' response to the coronavirus epidemic, but Trump should be getting credit for acting decisively and taking action that likely saved lives, even though it was a politically unpopular move to make. New York Times science reporter Donald G. McNeil Jr. noted that the Trump administration took "aggressive measures like barring entry to non-Americans who were recently in China and advising Americans not to go to China or South Korea," and that this strategy worked, despite the fact that the World Health Organization officially opposes travel and trade restrictions, and "reiterated that even as it declared the epidemic a global emergency on Jan. 30."
Republican Senator Tom Cotton said on Friday that “The single most consequential and valuable thing done to stop this virus from already spreading throughout the United States was when President Trump decided to shut down travel to China last month." He also acknowledged that “the so-called experts who opposed the decision at the time†eventually admitted that it “bought valuable time to prevent the spread of this virus in the United States.â€
He's absolutely right. The World Health Organization admits the strategy helped saved lives.
More at: https://pjmedia.com/trending/trumps-decisive-actions-helped-save-lives-during-coronavirus-pandemic-experts-admit/
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Could be so. This is the opposition and these articles are probably written outside of Iran:
Iran: Coronavirus Fatalities Exceeds 500
The People's Mojahedin Organization of Iran (PMOI / MEK) announced today that the death toll for the COVID-19 has exceeded 500 as of this evening, Saturday, February 29, 2020. Meanwhile, the religious fascism ruling Iran is making every effort to prevent the disclosure of the actual number of the victims.
According to these reports, at least 150 victims have died in Qom, 100 in Tehran, 100 in Mazandaran Province, 37 in Arak and Saveh, 37 in Isfahan, Homayounshahr and Najafabad, 24 in Kashan and 22 in Gilan....
More: https://www.ncr-iran.org/en/news/human-rights/27479-iran-coronavirus-fatalities-exceeds-500 (https://www.ncr-iran.org/en/news/human-rights/27479-iran-coronavirus-fatalities-exceeds-500)
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Two cases of coronavirus found in Washington nursing home
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/two-cases-of-coronavirus-found-in-washington-nursing-home (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/two-cases-of-coronavirus-found-in-washington-nursing-home)
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Fun subject of the day: How Coronavirus kills
JoNova 03/01/2020
http://joannenova.com.au/2020/03/69670/ (http://joannenova.com.au/2020/03/69670/)
No seriously, this is matter-of-fact, youtube-at-its-best, concise, cartoony, and smart.
Think of doctors as Body-Engineers. The problem to solve today Engineer-readers — is how to keep blood supply oxygenated when lungs are highly inflamed, filling with fluid, and the delicate thin membranes of lung tissue can’t cope with the sheer forces of rapid collapse and expansion. As well, if oxygen levels drop, even unconscious patients will breathe involuntarily — out of synch with artificial ventilation machines. The sensation of suffocation creates the urge to breath faster and harder.
The great news is ICU staff are getting much better at keeping people alive when they get ARDS (Acute Respiratory Distress Syndrome) which can happen with other diseases (like Influenza). Seems, the ICUs can keep 84% alive while they wait for the inflammation to subside and the damage to heal. Though the DIY version at home probably won’t be so effective.
More: http://joannenova.com.au/2020/03/69670/ (http://joannenova.com.au/2020/03/69670/)
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=3&v=okg7uq_HrhQ&feature=emb_logo#)
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Nigeria apparently got a case, this must be it, an Italian who went to Nigeria on business:
BUSTED: Why Italian man visited Nigeria
Nwafor View all posts by Nwafor →
Coronavirus: Lagos begins training of 342 indigenous medic workersBy Nwafor Sunday
Why the Italian man diagnosed with coronavirus in Nigeria came to the country has been revealed. Lafarge Africa Plc, a cement manufacturer company in Ogun State, has on Sunday gave reason the company invited the forty-four year-old Italian man to the country.
Segun Soyoye, Lafarge’s Industrial Director, said the man came to Nigeria, precisely Ewekoro in Ogun state to inspect some installations of machines bought from a Swedish firm.
He said, “The Italian came for a business visit. He was in Lagos on Monday and slept at Airport Hotel, Ikeja. Our driver took him there, and when we observed abnormal temperatures and symptoms, we quickly instituted an Emergency Response Team which is led by the Company CEO; we have to find a way of analysing and identifying not only the Italian but also the other contacts.
Read more at: https://www.vanguardngr.com/2020/03/busted-why-italian-man-visited-nigeria/ (https://www.vanguardngr.com/2020/03/busted-why-italian-man-visited-nigeria/)
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Italy reports 40 percent increase in coronavirus cases in just one day
https://thehill.com/policy/international/485375-italy-reports-40-percent-increase-in-coronavirus-cases-in-just-one-day
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NY Post:
China officials knew of coronavirus in December, ordered cover-up, report says
By Sara Dorn February 29, 2020
Chinese scientists knew about the coronavirus and its deadly effects as early as December — but were ordered by government officials to suppress the evidence, according to a report.
In late December, several genomics companies tested samples from sick patients in Wuhan — the center of the coronavirus outbreak — and noticed alarming similarities between their illnesses and the 2002 SARS virus, the Sunday Times of London reported, citing Chinese business news site Caixin Global.
The researchers alerted Beijing of their findings — and on Jan. 3, received a gag order from China’s National Health Commission, with instructions to destroy the samples.
Read more at: https://nypost.com/2020/02/29/china-officials-knew-of-coronavirus-in-december-ordered-cover-up-report-says/?utm_source=NYPFacebook&utm_medium=SocialFlow&utm_campaign=SocialFlow&sr_share=facebook
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The church or sect for whichever is more proper, is claiming they are being persecuted.
World News
March 1, 2020 / 8:44 PM / Updated 3 hours ago
Murder probe sought for South Korea sect at center of coronavirus outbreak
SEOUL (Reuters) - The government of Seoul asked for a murder investigation into leaders of a Christian sect at the center of the country’s deadly coronavirus outbreak, saying the church was liable for its refusal to cooperate with efforts to stop the disease.
A large majority of the more than 4,000 confirmed cases of the South Korean outbreak, the largest outside China and still growing, have been linked to the Shincheonji Church of Jesus, a secretive movement that reveres founder Lee Man-hee.
Park Won-soon, mayor of the capital Seoul, said if Lee and other leaders of the church had cooperated, effective preventive measures could have saved those who later died of the virus.
Read more at: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-southkorea-murder-idUSKBN20P07Q (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-southkorea-murder-idUSKBN20P07Q)
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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1234211248373403648
Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
A Poll in today’s New York Post says that 77% of “U.S. adults have confidence in their government’s ability to handle the Coronavirus (Number One), compared to other health threats.†64% for Zika, 58% for Ebola. Others way down on list. Our professionals are doing a great job!
2:17 PM · Mar 1, 2020
https://news.gallup.com/poll/286277/high-confidence-government-handle-coronavirus.aspx
The poll was performed February 3-16, before the markets tanked, and before Trump's pathetic pressers.
This is how little Trump respects your intelligence. Reply Trumpsters and prove why you don't even deserve that much.
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World
Tracking coronavirus: Map, data and timeline
https://bnonews.com/index.php/2020/02/the-latest-coronavirus-cases/
Deaths, again, we figure that the Chinese figures are dubious, excerpted from complete listing at link.:
Deaths:
China, 2,912
South Korea 26
Italy 34
Diamond Princess 6
Iran 54
Japan 6
Hong Kong 2
USA 2
Singapore 0
Janie Hsieh, PhD
@JanieHsieh
Well it's unsurprising if people are erroneously acting like this is just another flu. It's not. If it were, China wouldnt be "getting rid" of sick people w/o treating them. Reports already coming out in HK virus stays for life. That's why I say a cure is of utmost importance.
https://twitter.com/JanieHsieh/status/1234437206627975170
Stays for life? Anyway, on the look out for this. I'll have to read her advice more closely. Some people have indeed, overcome it.
Epa 'FSB BOT' Minondas
@WTEpaminondas
Replying to
@JanieHsieh
There have now been numerous reports of people testing positive well after they are released, and being REINFECTED. If (and this remains a big if) this is right, a vaccine may not be the answer.
An antiviral would be compulsory. Invest in appliance and content streaming. @ HOME
https://twitter.com/WTEpaminondas/status/1234438191773556737
See? So this is not about getting it and getting over it. This sounds like no fun at all.
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Janie Hsieh, PhD
@JanieHsieh
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Anyway most of this I've already covered and I don't want to regurgitate because there are only so many times I'm sure one can say these things "delicately." In sum nothing about this virus is natural and do everything possible to avoid catching it. That's the gist of it.
https://twitter.com/JanieHsieh
Holy Cow!
That said, Hong Kong still looks relatively low per stats and I mean, they are right there near the hot spot.
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CORONAVIRUSPublished 3 hours ago
Adviser to Iran's Supreme leader dies from coronavirus, as other top officials infected
An adviser to Iran's Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei has died from the new coronavirus, as other top officials in the country are confirmed to be infected, according to multiple reports on Monday.
The Iranian Health Ministry recorded 523 new cases in the past 24 hours, bringing the country's known total to 1,501. They mark a 53 percent increase since the day before.
Mohammad Mirmohammadi, 71, was an Expediency Council member who advised Khamenei and settled disputes between him and parliament. COVID-19 has already infected Iran's vice president and deputy health minister.
His death comes after the government on Monday rejected help from Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, who announced last week the U.S. was concerned Iran may have covered up details on the spread of the virus.
https://www.foxnews.com/health/advisor-irans-supreme-leader-dies-from-coronavirus-1150-cases-middle-east-linked-to-country (https://www.foxnews.com/health/advisor-irans-supreme-leader-dies-from-coronavirus-1150-cases-middle-east-linked-to-country)
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al Jazeera, pretty good though, dogs and cats? From this, you can't catch it from them.
The 10 most common questions on the coronavirus answered
We use Google Trends to find out what you want to know about the new coronavirus.
29 Feb 2020
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2. What are the symptoms of COVID-19?
The most common symptoms of COVID-19 are fever, fatigue and dry cough. These symptoms are usually mild and develop gradually. According to the World Health Organization (WHO), the disease is mild in more than 80 percent of cases...
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3. Is the new coronavirus deadly?
Yes, the illness is fatal in 2 percent of cases, WHO said on February 17, citing a paper published by China with detailed data on more than 44,000 confirmed cases.
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7. Can humans get the new coronavirus from cats and dogs?
No.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/02/10-common-questions-coronavirus-answered-200227122234487.html (https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/02/10-common-questions-coronavirus-answered-200227122234487.html)
It's suppose to be good for the immune system, that "Emergen-C", well, I have the Walgreen's brand in ample supply.
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And then, there is that other over-the-counter brand, I forget the name but I am sure it works well too. I think I will try to take it two times a day because it really can work.
And Iran, yes, I've seen they are spraying the streets with disinfectant.
I just saw one of those videos like China, where someone drops but this time in Iran. Goodness gracious.
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Florida governor declares public health emergency after state records first coronavirus cases
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/485421-florida-governor-declares-public-health-emergency-after-state-gets-its
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Top Iranian official dies from coronavirus: state radio
https://thehill.com/policy/international/middle-east-north-africa/485424-top-iranian-official-dies-from-virus-state
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Authorities report 2nd coronavirus death in U.S.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/global-death-toll-coronavirus-reaches-3000-confirmed-cases/story?id=69319279&cid=clicksource_4380645_5_heads_hero_live_hero_hed
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Virus fears close down France's famed Louvre Museum
https://www.cbc.ca/news/entertainment/louvre-coronavirus-closure-1.5482053 (https://www.cbc.ca/news/entertainment/louvre-coronavirus-closure-1.5482053)
A lot of people from around the world surely go to the Louvre, so yes, a good decision.
And March Madness and then, baseball coming at us.
NHL and NBA season now. We will have to see what twists and turns this all takes.
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Sen. Marco Rubio: China's coronavirus deception put world at risk
By Yael Halon | Fox News
Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., blamed China's failure to share necessary information that could have contained the coronavirus for putting the world at risk as more countries reported their first death from the virus over the weekend.
"The way you deal with a global pandemic is, you become transparent and you share information beginning with the actual virus," Rubio told "Sunday Morning Futures."
"You share the virus because researchers around the world can start working on the bases of that and developing treatments and vaccines... they didn't do that," he added.
Read more at: https://www.foxnews.com/media/marco-rubio-coronavirus-china-world-risk (https://www.foxnews.com/media/marco-rubio-coronavirus-china-world-risk)
I know another Rubio story was posted, I'm not sure if this is the same one.
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Coronavirus Spreading Faster Outside China Than Within
https://www.wsj.com/articles/coronavirus-spreading-faster-outside-china-than-within-11583142293 (https://www.wsj.com/articles/coronavirus-spreading-faster-outside-china-than-within-11583142293)
March 2, 2020 9:16 am ET
The global death toll from the novel coronavirus surpassed 3,000 Monday, as new cases jumped in Italy, Iran and South Korea and three more nations reported their first confirmed patients.
The number of confirmed cases has grown more quickly outside China than in China during the past week, raising the total in other countries past 9,000, according to data compiled by Johns Hopkins University. In the past day, South Korea, Italy and Iran each reported more new cases than China, which added 202 to bring its tally of confirmed...
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Coronavirus Spreading Faster Outside China Than Within
https://www.wsj.com/articles/coronavirus-spreading-faster-outside-china-than-within-11583142293 (https://www.wsj.com/articles/coronavirus-spreading-faster-outside-china-than-within-11583142293)
March 2, 2020 9:16 am ET
The global death toll from the novel coronavirus surpassed 3,000 Monday, as new cases jumped in Italy, Iran and South Korea and three more nations reported their first confirmed patients.
The number of confirmed cases has grown more quickly outside China than in China during the past week, raising the total in other countries past 9,000, according to data compiled by Johns Hopkins University. In the past day, South Korea, Italy and Iran each reported more new cases than China, which added 202 to bring its tally of confirmed...
Why believe anything China claims?
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Stop Buying Face Masks To Protect Against Coronavirus Outbreak, US Surgeon General Warns
https://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/stop-buying-face-masks-to-protect-against-coronavirus-outbreak-us-surgeon-general-warns/ (https://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/stop-buying-face-masks-to-protect-against-coronavirus-outbreak-us-surgeon-general-warns/)
The US Surgeon General has urged the public not to buy face masks to protect against the ongoing coronavirus outbreak, warning they are largely ineffective at protecting against the viral infection in public.
They are, however, a useful tool for doctors, nurses, and healthcare professionals who are consistently in close proximity to infected individuals. So, to prevent vital medical resources from running dry, the Surgeon General, Dr Jerome M Adams, has warned against rushing out to buy face masks.
“Seriously people – STOP BUYING MASKS!†Dr Adams tweeted over the weekend.
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Stop Buying Face Masks To Protect Against Coronavirus Outbreak, US Surgeon General Warns
https://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/stop-buying-face-masks-to-protect-against-coronavirus-outbreak-us-surgeon-general-warns/ (https://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/stop-buying-face-masks-to-protect-against-coronavirus-outbreak-us-surgeon-general-warns/)
The US Surgeon General has urged the public not to buy face masks to protect against the ongoing coronavirus outbreak, warning they are largely ineffective at protecting against the viral infection in public.
They are, however, a useful tool for doctors, nurses, and healthcare professionals who are consistently in close proximity to infected individuals. So, to prevent vital medical resources from running dry, the Surgeon General, Dr Jerome M Adams, has warned against rushing out to buy face masks.
“Seriously people – STOP BUYING MASKS!†Dr Adams tweeted over the weekend.
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True dat. The masks I've seen in all these pictures from Asia and elsewhere are worthless at warding off viral exposure. The masks are intended to be worn by people who are coughing, and medical personnel to prevent contaminating the patients.
As I suspected from the start, the virus gets airborne by hitching a ride on expelled spittle, it doesn't just float in the air by itself. Shield the coughs and sneezes from the inside of the mask, not the outside.
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Washington State, reported that there had been 2 deaths as of yesterday, that's up to 4 today. It's a bit hard what to make of such small figures still when the normal flu seems to take a huge toll every year. Nonetheless.
"Seattle-area officials report new coronavirus deaths, bringing US total to 6"
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/02/seattle-area-officials-report-3-new-coronavirus-deaths-bringing-us-total-to-5.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/02/seattle-area-officials-report-3-new-coronavirus-deaths-bringing-us-total-to-5.html)
Maybe one death has been in California, I'm not sure. The article does not say.
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Five deaths in King County and one in Snohomish County.
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My preference @corbe
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For a Mexican beer made in no more than Juarez Mexico or at least that state of Chihuahua, not too bad. They've got their own style down there.
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True dat. The masks I've seen in all these pictures from Asia and elsewhere are worthless at warding off viral exposure. The masks are intended to be worn by people who are coughing, and medical personnel to prevent contaminating the patients.
As I suspected from the start, the virus gets airborne by hitching a ride on expelled spittle, it doesn't just float in the air by itself. Shield the coughs and sneezes from the inside of the mask, not the outside.
It is also possible that the typical mask works as an atomizer when someone wearing one sneezes through it... Especially after being saturated with previous sneezes... The finer the mist, the longer it stays in the air...
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It is also possible that the typical mask works as an atomizer when someone wearing one sneezes through it... Especially after being saturated with previous sneezes... The finer the mist, the longer it stays in the air...
I don't mind saying, that would have to be a really disgusting mask, to be that soaked with mucous.
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“A lot of things are happening, a lot of very exciting things are happening and they’re happening very rapidly†- IMPOTUS today.
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“A lot of things are happening, a lot of very exciting things are happening and they’re happening very rapidly†- IMPOTUS today.
It's pretty cheeky of him, considering he personally created the novel Corona virus to crush Chinese manufacturing companies, eh?
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Why believe anything China claims?
From what I have seen on Youtube videos, etc., much of China is still under major lockdown.
Can't prove it, but I think this is a man-made monster and it is killing far more Chinese than they are saying.
Everybody understands the dangers of the flu and related complications that kill hundreds of thousands every year. We don't need a wild card thrown in the mix. Especially one that tries to kill you and if that doesn't work it tries to kill you again.
A vaccine won't stop it.
Coronavirus update: recent developments in vaccine research
By Hannah Balfour (Drug Target Review)
27 February 2020
Researchers have identified new compounds with activity against the novel coronavirus called COVID-19 and other coronaviruses eg, severe acute respiratory syndrome virus (SARS-CoV) and Middle-East respiratory disease virus (MERS-CoV).
Scientists working towards a broad-spectrum antiviral able to combat all the coronaviruses identified a target – a ‘main protease’ that is essential for viral replication. According to the team, enteroviruses, such as those causing foot and mouth disease and the common cold, also have a similar protein called the 3C protease for viral replication, so can also be treated through this target.
~snip~
“Our previous experience working with other coronaviruses, including both MERS and SARS, allowed us to mobilize quickly against COVID-19 and successfully complete the critical preliminary steps to engineer viable vaccine candidates,†said Stanley Erck, President and Chief Executive Officer of Novavax. “Now that the protein has been expressed stably in our baculovirus system, we aim to identify the optimal candidate and scale up production of sufficient vaccine for preliminary clinical trials. We are now well-positioned to advance the COVID-19 vaccine candidate to Phase I clinical testing in May or June.
So they are attacking on two fronts. Antiviral drugs that cure you. Vaccines that help you from needing to be cured.
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from Fred's post above:
"We are now well-positioned to advance the COVID-19 vaccine candidate to Phase I clinical testing in May or June."
Sumthin' tells me that if this epidemic keeps on growin' and growin', they're going to have to accelerate "the trial phase" of the vaccine (or antiviral drugs), and get them into the general population early (provided the initial testing looks to yield results that are safe)...
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CDC drops coronavirus testing numbers from their website
Nothing To See Here (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjmkujH-_znAhWUtp4KHZEjBkIQFjABegQIBRAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theverge.com%2F2020%2F3%2F2%2F21161693%2Fcdc-coronavirus-testing-numbers-website-disappear-expansion-us&usg=AOvVaw2176HBGSnrkSzEQWhIXCrR)
The change comes as testing is expected to expand across the country
By Mary Beth Griggs Mar 2, 2020, 3:06pm ES
A tally of the number of people tested for the novel coronavirus disappeared from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention website on Monday. The change was first reported by journalist Judd Legum on Twitter. The disappearance of the numbers comes less than a week after the first cases of the virus with unknown origins were reported in the US. In the past few days, six deaths due to COVID-19, the disease caused by the virus, have been confirmed in Washington state.
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Texas police say local meth is contaminated with coronavirus, offer to test it
‘If you have meth with you, please get it tested prior to use’
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The offer comes in a public service announcement posted by the Johnson City Police Department to Facebook. (Source: Johnson City, Texas, Police Department)
By Ed Payne | February 27, 2020 at 6:43 PM EST - Updated February 28 at 1:22 AM
JOHNSON CITY, Texas (Gray News) – Police in central Texas say they have reason to believe methamphetamine in Blanco County may be contaminated with the coronavirus and should be checked.
The offer comes in a public service announcement posted by the Johnson City Police Department to Facebook.
“If you have meth with you, please get it tested prior to use,†the post says, offering addresses where people can take their drugs for testing.
<..snip..>
https://www.wbtv.com/2020/02/27/texas-police-say-local-meth-is-contaminated-with-coronavirus-offer-test-it/ (https://www.wbtv.com/2020/02/27/texas-police-say-local-meth-is-contaminated-with-coronavirus-offer-test-it/)
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@corbe
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From what I have seen on Youtube videos, etc., much of China is still under major lockdown.
Can't prove it, but I think this is a man-made monster and it is killing far more Chinese than they are saying.
Everybody understands the dangers of the flu and related complications that kill hundreds of thousands every year. We don't need a wild card thrown in the mix. Especially one that tries to kill you and if that doesn't work it tries to kill you again.
A vaccine won't stop it.
Coronavirus update: recent developments in vaccine research
By Hannah Balfour (Drug Target Review)
27 February 2020
Researchers have identified new compounds with activity against the novel coronavirus called COVID-19 and other coronaviruses eg, severe acute respiratory syndrome virus (SARS-CoV) and Middle-East respiratory disease virus (MERS-CoV).
Scientists working towards a broad-spectrum antiviral able to combat all the coronaviruses identified a target – a ‘main protease’ that is essential for viral replication. According to the team, enteroviruses, such as those causing foot and mouth disease and the common cold, also have a similar protein called the 3C protease for viral replication, so can also be treated through this target.
~snip~
“Our previous experience working with other coronaviruses, including both MERS and SARS, allowed us to mobilize quickly against COVID-19 and successfully complete the critical preliminary steps to engineer viable vaccine candidates,†said Stanley Erck, President and Chief Executive Officer of Novavax. “Now that the protein has been expressed stably in our baculovirus system, we aim to identify the optimal candidate and scale up production of sufficient vaccine for preliminary clinical trials. We are now well-positioned to advance the COVID-19 vaccine candidate to Phase I clinical testing in May or June.
So they are attacking on two fronts. Antiviral drugs that cure you. Vaccines that help you from needing to be cured.
Thank you for the info.
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from Fred's post above:
"We are now well-positioned to advance the COVID-19 vaccine candidate to Phase I clinical testing in May or June."
Sumthin' tells me that if this epidemic keeps on growin' and growin', they're going to have to accelerate "the trial phase" of the vaccine (or antiviral drugs), and get them into the general population early (provided the initial testing looks to yield results that are safe)...
There are still less than 100 cases in the U.S. One of the biggest concerns is that there are 2 cases now where patients have not been in countries where the virus is more prevalent. Secondly, it is still unknown if the virus will be affected when temperatures rise as is the case for the flu virus. What if it mutates?
So many unknowns ... the thought of people lining up in masses to get this vaccine once available, I find frightening. How many people get the flu shot and still get the flu? How many people may get this vaccine and then become ill and would have been just fine without it?
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https://www.businessinsider.com/wuhan-coronavirus-us-cases-health-risk-2020-1 (https://www.businessinsider.com/wuhan-coronavirus-us-cases-health-risk-2020-1)
The US has reported 6 coronavirus deaths among more than 100 cases. Here's what we know about the US patients.
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6 (https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6)
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Excerpts, this first story involving the police is curious, see full article for details.
5 Dallas Officers Potentially Exposed to Coronavirus While Arresting Suspect
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But jail staff notified the police department about a potential exposure to the COVID-19 virus after the man displayed symptoms of the virus and was taken via a private ambulance to Parkland Hospital, the report said.
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Elsewhere in Texas, the mayor of San Antonio declared a public health emergency to prevent more than 100 people who are being held in quarantine from leaving and entering the city. It came after a coronavirus patient who was held in isolation tested negative for the virus twice before the person was let out into the community for about 12 hours, only to test positive for the virus.
More at: https://www.theepochtimes.com/five-dallas-officers-potentially-exposed-to-coronavirus-while-arresting-suspect_3258034.html (https://www.theepochtimes.com/five-dallas-officers-potentially-exposed-to-coronavirus-while-arresting-suspect_3258034.html)
I heard something about San Antonio earlier, the patient tested negative 2 times, was let out in the community for about 12 hour, "only to test positive for the virus."
Just heard too, NTD News is "New Tang Dynasty", it's like Epoch Times, founded by the Falun Gong apparently.
Here is another real "scare" story" , are we to believe this? Well, Reagan alumni, who I have mentioned before and John Hopkins professor, Steve Hanke (https://twitter.com/steve_hanke) tweeted this... (https://twitter.com/steve_hanke/status/1234691518704836608) So?? WTH? Credible or not?? That's some weird stuff, I've thought better on posting it but I guess, I will go ahead, totally unverified.
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DU5Vu7XBpzg#)
NTD News, New Tang Dynasty's youtube channel:
https://www.youtube.com/user/NTDTV/videos (https://www.youtube.com/user/NTDTV/videos)
https://www.theepochtimes.com/250-people-being-monitored-for-coronavirus-in-arizona-officials-say_3257827.html
250 People Being Monitored for Coronavirus in Arizona, Officials Say
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https://www.businessinsider.com/wuhan-coronavirus-us-cases-health-risk-2020-1 (https://www.businessinsider.com/wuhan-coronavirus-us-cases-health-risk-2020-1)
The US has reported 6 coronavirus deaths among more than 100 cases. Here's what we know about the US patients.
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6 (https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6)
There is much more unknown about this virus then known and that is the scary part.
Speculation keeps cropping up that this is a lab made monster virus ... even that still hasn't been completely debunked and certainly the WHO nor the CDC will ever admit it, if it is.
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The flu has already killed 10,000 across US as world frets over coronavirus
PUBLISHED MON, FEB 3 2020 11:20 AM EST
UPDATED TUE, FEB 4 2020 8:20 PM EST
Jessica Bursztynsky
@JBURSZ
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The flu remains a higher threat to U.S. public health than the new coronavirus.
This flu season alone has sickened at least 19 million across the U.S. and led to 10,000 deaths and 180,000 hospitalizations.
Roughly a dozen cases of the deadly coronavirus have been identified in the U.S., though the number has mushroomed across its outbreak zone in China.
More: https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/02/03/the-flu-has-already-killed-10000-across-us-as-world-frets-over-coronavirus.html?__twitter_impression=true (https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/02/03/the-flu-has-already-killed-10000-across-us-as-world-frets-over-coronavirus.html?__twitter_impression=true)
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Larry Elder
@larryelder
The flu has already killed 10,000 across US as world frets over #coronavirus.
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Covid-19: Day 64: Mar 3d: Ex-Ethics Chief, White House, "punish anyone who leaks information": Stop buying masks, US Surgeon: FEMA preparing for virus emergency: Confirmed cases above 90,000: German football club ejects Japanese fans from stadium: Spike! 75 countries affected
The Big Wobble 3/3/2020
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A big spike in affected countries around the world yesterday bringing the total to 75. Total confirmed cases now at 90.927, 6,806 of these people are in a critical condition. The death toll is 3,123 at a rate of 3.43%. https://wuhanviruslive.com/ (https://wuhanviruslive.com/)
Another whistleblower is missing in China! ‘They’re chasing me’: the journalist who wouldn’t stay quiet on Covid-19 Li Zehua is missing, presumed detained. He’s one of many for whom the coronavirus crisis has led to a political awakening and a demand for free speech. Guardian
China confirmed a new record low in confirmed cases since the early days of the outbreak at 125. This officially brings the total up to 80,151- the smallest increase since the outbreak began. WIKIPEDIA
More: http://www.thebigwobble.org/2020/03/covid-19-day-64-mar-3d-white-house-leak.html (http://www.thebigwobble.org/2020/03/covid-19-day-64-mar-3d-white-house-leak.html)
Animated map of confirmed COVID-19 cases spreading from 2020-01-12.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:COVID-19-outbreak-timeline.gif#/media/File:COVID-19-outbreak-timeline.gif (https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:COVID-19-outbreak-timeline.gif#/media/File:COVID-19-outbreak-timeline.gif)
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'Don't shake hands... bump elbows!'
Virologist Dr Lindsay Broadbent has given handshakes the thumbs down - telling the BBC that there are alternative ways of greeting one another to minimise the risk of passing on the virus.
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-51716375 (https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-51716375)
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A big spike in affected countries around the world yesterday bringing the total to 75. Total confirmed cases now at 90,927, 6,806 of these people are in a critical condition. The death toll is 3,123 at a rate of 3.43%. https://wuhanviruslive.com/ (https://wuhanviruslive.com/)
@Elderberry those are the stats that needs to slap everyone in the face. The death toll is climbing. 75 countries are now infected.
We know that the virus spread very easily like the flu. The stats on the 2019-2020 flu virus:
32,000,000 - 45,000,000 have been infected - 18,000 to 46,000 people have died or roughly .01% of those infected.
In comparison, almost 3.5% of those infected dying from the coronavirus compared to .01% of those infected dying from the flu virus.
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm (https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm)
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There is a lot of data around concerning the flu. 10,000 dead in the U.S this flu season. So far.
Corona is new and unknown. It seems to be more easily transmitted than the fu. Will it be seasonal?
Overall, per the CDC, the death rate of those who have been infected with the flu this flu season is 0.05%. According to the research conducted by the Chinese CDC, the case-fatality rate of novel coronavirus in China is 2.3%.
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There is a lot of data around concerning the flu. 10,000 dead in the U.S this flu season. So far.
Corona is new and unknown. It seems to be more easily transmitted than the fu. Will it be seasonal?
If it isn't we will soon see a global pandemic. So far over 3% of those infected die. Does the incubation period extend beyond 14 days? Does this virus act similar to Hepatis C virus in that a person can contract the virus and it lay dormant for years? How long can the virus survive on surfaces?
The big question still remains, is this virus indeed a lab made 'monster' virus that can mutate and or resurface in those who have already been infected?
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If it isn't we will soon see a global pandemic. So far over 3% of those infected die. Does the incubation period extend beyond 14 days? Does this virus act similar to Hepatis C virus in that a person can contract the virus and it lay dormant for years? How long can the virus survive on surfaces?
The big question still remains, is this virus indeed a lab made 'monster' virus that can mutate and or resurface in those who have already been infected?
Under the defintion of pandemic this is a pandemic. I read that it can survive on surfaces for up to nine days. Now that it is here it will always be around. Whether it becomes a recurring seasonal bug, who nows? If it isn't mutating how is it it can reinfect a person?
If it isn't such a big deal how much of China is still under quarantine?
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Two confirmed cases in my county.
https://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/first-cases-coronavirus-confirmed-georgia/4P22YK37OBF2ZIC5VY2YOX7KDE/ (https://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/first-cases-coronavirus-confirmed-georgia/4P22YK37OBF2ZIC5VY2YOX7KDE/)
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Westchester County Man Tests Positive for Coronavirus in NY’s 1st Possible Community Spread Case: Gov. Cuomo
A man who lives in Westchester County and works in Manhattan is New York state's second confirmed coronavirus case -- and the first apparent community spread case -- in the tri-state area, the governor said Tuesday.
Gov. Cuomo said an initial review of the man's travels doesn't suggest any travel to China or other countries at the nexus of the outbreak so authorities are looking at it as a possible case of person-to-person spread. Two families in Buffalo are also being tested.
The news comes as the city awaits test results for the husband of a New York City woman who tested positive for the novel coronavirus after her return from Iran. He is expected to also have contracted the infection, local and state authorities said at a separate news briefing Monday.
No further details on the Westchester man or his condition were immediately available. It's only the second confirmed case that the tri-state has seen -- and the country's fifth apparent case of person-to-person spread -- since the outbreak that has now killed a half dozen people in the United States and thousands worldwide.
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/westchester-county-man-tests-positive-for-coronavirus-in-nys-1st-possible-community-spread-case-gov-cuomo/2310134/ (https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/westchester-county-man-tests-positive-for-coronavirus-in-nys-1st-possible-community-spread-case-gov-cuomo/2310134/)
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Under the defintion of pandemic this is a pandemic. I read that it can survive on surfaces for up to nine days. Now that it is here it will always be around. Whether it becomes a recurring seasonal bug, who nows? If it isn't mutating how is it it can reinfect a person?
If it isn't such a big deal how much of China is still under quarantine?
If it wasn't bio lab created, then how did it spread so rapidly in China?
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Corona virus is not new, but this particular strain is.
But in the spirit of full disclosure, I’m sick ... and tired of the hype and the media fear mongers pushing the democrats agenda of trying to damage the financial markets and the Trump administration. It’s sick and it’s evil.
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Dem Who “Cheered†Idea of Using Coronavirus on Trump Supporters Faces Calls to Resign
written by Paul Goldberg March 3, 2020
Candi CdeBaca, a Denver city council member and self-identified “democratic socialist†is facing calls for her resignation on social media after she cheered the idea of using coronavirus on Trump supporters at rallies in a tweet.
The original tweet CdeBaca responded to from Susan Daniel writes “For the record, if I do get the coronavirus, i’m attending every MAGA rally I can.â€
More at News :thud: (https://newsthud.com/dem-who-cheered-idea-of-using-coronavirus-on-trump-supporters-faces-calls-to-resign/")
Coronavirus song in Vietnamese:
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZ_xLivVtjM#)
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World
Iran Releases Prisoners on a Temporary Basis to Halt the Spread of the Coronavirus
Prisoners who test negative will be allowed out as Tehran steps up its campaign to combat one of the worst outbreaks of the illness
Aresu bali and Isabel Coles
March 3, 2020 9:02 am ET
TEHRAN—Iran is temporarily releasing tens of thousands of prisoners in an attempt to prevent the spread of the coronavirus in the country’s crowded prisons, as it struggles to contain one of the worst outbreaks of a disease that has already killed dozens of people and infected 23 lawmakers.
More than 54,000 prisoners have gone out on furlough after testing negative for the virus, judiciary spokesman Gholamhossein Esmaili said Tuesday. He indicated that several prominent Iranian political prisoners and British dual national Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe would be allowed out.
Iran has ramped up efforts to contain the virus in recent days after accusations it was seeking to hide the extent of the outbreak.
More at: https://www.wsj.com/articles/iran-releases-prisoners-on-a-temporary-basis-to-halt-the-spread-of-the-coronavirus-11583244155 (https://www.wsj.com/articles/iran-releases-prisoners-on-a-temporary-basis-to-halt-the-spread-of-the-coronavirus-11583244155)
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If it wasn't bio lab created, then how did it spread so rapidly in China?
The Chinese deliver.
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When My Fever Breaks - John Moreland
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIDgZadWYbQ#)
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Singapore student punched in England over coronavirus.
https://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-england-london-51723523/coronavirus-student-talks-of-oxford-street-racist-attack (https://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-england-london-51723523/coronavirus-student-talks-of-oxford-street-racist-attack)
A pretty primitive and base instinct for me.
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I'm still reading this, this guy coached American football over there? It seems like it.
I left my home in Wuhan for a weeklong beach vacation with my son and husband. Now we can't get back in — and we're giving up on trying.
Imani Bashir
Imani Bashir is a writer who was living in Wuhan, China, with her husband and their 3-year-old son.
They left for a one-week beach vacation in Malaysia in mid-January to celebrate Lunar New Year. But on January 23, Wuhan was officially locked down — and they couldn't go back.
The family spent a month in Malaysia, shuffling between hotel rooms and trying to figure out their next move.
Rather than wait to find out when they'd be able to return to China, the family asked their landlady to give away their belongings. Bashir's husband has since taken a new job in another country.
"Our attitude has been 'damn the stuff — we're healthy and together,'" she writes.
(https://cdn.businessinsider.de/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/6d5265c851848b8e8030745f6d31535b0537384e-800x600.jpg)
Foto: Bashir’s husband, left, coaching the Wuhan Gators of the Chinese Arena Football League. Source: Courtesy of Imani Bashir
Read more at: https://www.businessinsider.de/international/living-in-wuhan-left-for-vacation-now-family-cant-return-2020-3/ (https://www.businessinsider.de/international/living-in-wuhan-left-for-vacation-now-family-cant-return-2020-3/) or
https://www.businessinsider.com/living-in-wuhan-left-for-vacation-now-family-cant-return-2020-3#our-story-1 (https://www.businessinsider.com/living-in-wuhan-left-for-vacation-now-family-cant-return-2020-3#our-story-1)
Needless to say, I found this interesting and a pretty good article to boot.
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If it wasn't bio lab created, then how did it spread so rapidly in China?
It didn't spread so rapidly.
Timeline of the 2019–20 coronavirus outbreak in December 2019 – January 2020
WUFLU
(https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjmqcyJuv_nAhVRIjQIHfTcCVAQFjAAegQIBhAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FTimeline_of_the_2019%25E2%2580%259320_coronavirus_outbreak_in_December_2019_%25E2%2580%2593_January_2020&usg=AOvVaw0dwIJcu_LXyfjgMtB_Wd5K)
1 December 2019
The first known patient started experiencing symptoms on 1 December 2019. He had not been to the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market of Wuhan. No epidemiological link could be found between this case and later cases.[8][9][10]
8–18 December 2019
Between 8 and 18 December 2019, seven cases later diagnosed with Wuhan coronavirus were documented, two of them were linked with the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market, five were not.[11]
12 December 2019
Chinese state broadcaster CCTV reported in a broadcast airing on 12 January 2020 that a "new viral outbreak was first detected in the city of Wuhan, China, on 12 December 2019."[12]
21 December 2019
Chinese epidemiologists with the Chinese Center for Disease Control (CDC) published an article on 1 January 2020 stating that the first cluster of patients with "pneumonia of an unknown cause" had been identified on 21 December 2019.[13]
24 December 2019
First publicly reported collection of virus sample from patient for genetic sequencing.[14][15][16]
Singapore's Ministry of Health (MOH) reported that the first case of what would later be named the 2019-nCoV (Wuhan coronavirus) had been diagnosed. It was later confirmed to not actually be related to the outbreak.[17]
25 December 2019
Report of medical staffs in two hospitals in Wuhan suspected to be infected and was being isolated around December 25.[18]
29 December 2019
According to a CDC publication on 31 January 2020, the facts leading up to the identification of the 2019-nCoV were as follows, "On 29 December 2019, a hospital in Wuhan admitted four individuals with pneumonia and recognized that all four had worked in the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market, which sells live poultry, aquatic products, and several kinds of wild animals to the public. The hospital reported this occurrence to the local center for disease control (CDC), which lead Wuhan CDC staff to initiate a field investigation with a retrospective search for pneumonia patients potentially linked to the market. The investigators found additional patients linked to the market, and on 30 December, health authorities from Hubei Province reported this cluster to China CDC. The following day, China CDC sent experts to Wuhan to support the investigation and control effort. Samples from these patients were obtained for laboratory analyses."[19]
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WHO says coronavirus death rate is 3.4% globally, higher than previously thought.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/03/who-says-coronavirus-death-rate-is-3point4percent-globally-higher-than-previously-thought.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/03/who-says-coronavirus-death-rate-is-3point4percent-globally-higher-than-previously-thought.html)
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WHO says coronavirus death rate is 3.4% globally, higher than previously thought.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/03/who-says-coronavirus-death-rate-is-3point4percent-globally-higher-than-previously-thought.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/03/who-says-coronavirus-death-rate-is-3point4percent-globally-higher-than-previously-thought.html)
Lots of good info at the link. I 'like' this one.
New Cases in China outside Hubei
Due to discrepancies in the data reported by Hubei Province and China's NHC in the last two days, we are currently validating the Feb. 22 - Feb. 24 data. We will publish the graph again as soon as the data is reconciled.
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WHO says coronavirus death rate is 3.4% globally, higher than previously thought.
I thought WHO was on first.
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Corona virus is not new, but this particular strain is.
But in the spirit of full disclosure, I’m sick ... and tired of the hype and the media fear mongers pushing the democrats agenda of trying to damage the financial markets and the Trump administration. It’s sick and it’s evil.
@aligncare
From April 12, 2009 to April 10, 2010, CDC estimated there were 60.8 million cases,
274,304 hospitalizations and 12,469 deaths in the United States due to the (H1N1) virus.
(Where was the panic?)
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@aligncare
From April 12, 2009 to April 10, 2010, CDC estimated there were 60.8 million cases,
274,304 hospitalizations and 12,469 deaths in the United States due to the (H1N1) virus.
(Where was the panic?)
Silly you...the coronavirus is Trump's fault *****rollingeyes*****
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@aligncare
From April 12, 2009 to April 10, 2010, CDC estimated there were 60.8 million cases,
274,304 hospitalizations and 12,469 deaths in the United States due to the (H1N1) virus.
(Where was the panic?)
That's a 0.49% fatality rate.
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This is the first article that I have read that states coronaviruses can live on surfaces for up to 9 days. So this particular strain may live that long or longer. That is concerning.
Surfaces? Sneezes? Sex? How the Coronavirus Can and Cannot Spread
A delicate but highly contagious virus, roughly one-900th the width of a human hair, is spreading from person to person around the world. The coronavirus, as it’s known, has already infected people in at least 60 countries.
Because this virus is so new, experts’ understanding of how it spreads is limited. They can, however, offer some guidance about how it does — and does not — seem to be transmitted..........
...........Technically, the virus widely known as the coronavirus is just the latest of many similarly shaped viruses. (Coronaviruses are named for the spikes that protrude from their surfaces, which resemble a crown or the sun’s corona.) A study of other coronaviruses found they remained on metal, glass and plastic for two hours to nine days.
Whether a surface looks dirty or clean is irrelevant. If an infected person sneezed and a droplet landed on a surface, a person who then touches that surface could pick it up. How much is required to infect a person is unclear...........
.............Kissing could definitely spread it, several experts said. Though coronaviruses are not typically sexually transmitted, it’s too soon to know, the WHO said.............
https://www.yahoo.com/news/surfaces-sneezes-sex-coronavirus-cannot-132505758.html (https://www.yahoo.com/news/surfaces-sneezes-sex-coronavirus-cannot-132505758.html)
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https://www.foxnews.com/health/iran-says-77-dead-amid-2336-cases-of-new-coronavirus (https://www.foxnews.com/health/iran-says-77-dead-amid-2336-cases-of-new-coronavirus)
Iran reports 2,336 cases of the new coronavirus, at least 77 dead; MPs hit hard
Iran on Tuesday announced new measures to slow the spread of the new coronavirus and reported that the country has seen 2,336 cases and 77 deaths since the outbreak.
An Iranian lawmaker reportedly has told colleagues to stop their contact with public as there are 23 cases of the new coronavirus among parliament members.
That's according to lawmaker Abdolreza Mesri, who was quoted by Iranian state television's Young Journalists Club program.
I'm having a hard time being sympathetic. Are the Iranians currently blaming Trump or Israel?
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https://www.foxnews.com/health/iran-says-77-dead-amid-2336-cases-of-new-coronavirus (https://www.foxnews.com/health/iran-says-77-dead-amid-2336-cases-of-new-coronavirus)
Iran reports 2,336 cases of the new coronavirus, at least 77 dead; MPs hit hard
I'm having a hard time being sympathetic. Are the Iranians currently blaming Trump or Israel?
Qom’s Friday Prayer Imam claims that the U.S. infected his city with the virus. Why did President Trump do such a thing? To “make Qom look like an unsafe city and to take revenge for all of [America’s] defeats.
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Thousands wait for hospital beds in South Korea as coronavirus cases surge
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-southkorea/thousands-wait-for-hospital-beds-in-south-korea-as-coronavirus-cases-surge-idUSKBN20R05M (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-southkorea/thousands-wait-for-hospital-beds-in-south-korea-as-coronavirus-cases-surge-idUSKBN20R05M)
SEOUL (Reuters) - South Korea reported 516 new coronavirus cases on Wednesday as thousands of sick people waited for hospital beds in Daegu, the city at the center of the worst outbreak outside mainland China.
The new cases bring South Korea’s total to 5,328, with at least 32 deaths, mostly in and around Daegu where the flu-like virus has spread rapidly through members of a fringe Christian group.
More: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-southkorea/thousands-wait-for-hospital-beds-in-south-korea-as-coronavirus-cases-surge-idUSKBN20R05M (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-southkorea/thousands-wait-for-hospital-beds-in-south-korea-as-coronavirus-cases-surge-idUSKBN20R05M)
For the UN surely:
Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus: The Ethiopian at the heart of the coronavirus fight
By Imogen Foulkes BBC News, Geneva
What a challenge to be the head of the World Health Organization (WHO) in the time of the coronavirus.
The entire planet hanging on your every word, addressing daily press conferences at the headquarters in Geneva to detail an ever increasing number of cases in an ever increasing number of countries.
This is the lot of Ethiopian Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, the first African head of the WHO, who took office two-and-a-half years ago promising to reform the organisation, and to tackle the illnesses that kill millions each year: malaria, measles, childhood pneumonia, or HIV/Aids.
More: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-51720184?at_custom1=%5Bpost+type%5D&at_custom4=04A6BCF6-5DC1-11EA-A574-A68A4744363C&at_custom2=twitter&at_campaign=64&at_custom3=%40BBCNews&at_medium=custom7 (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-51720184?at_custom1=%5Bpost+type%5D&at_custom4=04A6BCF6-5DC1-11EA-A574-A68A4744363C&at_custom2=twitter&at_campaign=64&at_custom3=%40BBCNews&at_medium=custom7)
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Coronavirus LIVE Updates: Death toll in Italy jumps to 79; World Bank announces $12bn in immediate funds
Live updates of the novel coronavirus outbreak. Six cases have been confirmed in India so far.
The novel coronavirus outbreak, or COVID-19, has spread rapidly across more than 80 countries. There have been six cases in India so far.
https://www.moneycontrol.com/news/world/coronavirus-live-updates-covid-19-india-alert-novel-coronavirus-latest-news-4998891.html (https://www.moneycontrol.com/news/world/coronavirus-live-updates-covid-19-india-alert-novel-coronavirus-latest-news-4998891.html)
Italy certainly has a lot of deaths. $12 billion being given by the world bank to combat the coronavirus is a good measure.
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I thought WHO was on first.
What's the name of the guy on second.
Sweet Meteor O'Death @smod4real
Mayor Pete is really gonna regret dropping out three months from now when Tulsi is the only remaining candidate to survive the #Coronavirus
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Coronavirus panic: Why are people stockpiling toilet paper?
By Frances Mao BBC News, Sydney
Perhaps the worst doomsday scenario is this: being stuck on the toilet and finding you're down to the last square.
At least that appears to be the nightmare prospect scaring many Australians right now, who have become the latest group to respond to coronavirus fears by buying toilet paper en masse.
This is despite authorities stressing there is no shortage - given most of the nation's rolls are made locally.
Read more at: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-51731422 (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-51731422)
I actually heard that this was happening at a local Sam's, people were buying up a lot of household goods, specifically toilet paper and other items.
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Marco Rubio: Russia, China and Iran are waging disinformation war over coronavirus
By Marco Rubio
March 3, 2020 | 2:48pm | Updated
Malign actors in Beijing, Moscow, Tehran and elsewhere are exploiting the coronavirus pandemic to sow chaos through conspiracy theories — most heinously, the notion that the United States created the disease. This should come as no surprise, as the ruling regimes in these countries want to deflect from their abject failures and rarely miss an opportunity to blame America.
The slanders are outrageous. But such disinformation also risks fatal consequences to the populations that receive it. To combat disinformation, we must identify the sources of deception campaigns, educate the global community and equip foreign governments to combat it.
Beijing’s official outlets, for example, have accused the United States of over-hyping the pandemic for cynical purposes, with a foreign ministry spokeswoman declaring that Washington had “taken the lead in imposing excessive restrictions.†American actions, she said, “could only create and spread fear.â€
Read more at: https://nypost.com/2020/03/03/russia-china-and-iran-are-waging-disinformation-war-over-coronavirus-outbreak/?utm_source=twitter_sitebuttons&utm_medium=site%20buttons&utm_campaign=site%20buttons
https://twitter.com/marcorubio
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Marco Rubio
@marcorubio
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Mar 2
#coronavirus outbreak on #DiamondPrincess provides valuable guidance on why we should prioritize resources for elderly.
Of the 705 people infected:
-400 had no symptoms
-7 who died were all over 70
-30 to 40 elderly still in ICU
-Most of the rest felt terrible but recovered
Just this little factoid tells you a lot... facts are facts. I even heard them discuss it on the radio yesterday, it does seem to target the elderly and perhaps, if children don't have a strong immune system, them too but affecting 705 people probably means, it is at least, going around to everyone.
Marco Rubio
@marcorubio
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Mar 2
1. Don’t listen to crazy stuff online. Get the facts about how to prevent & treat #Coronavirus
https://cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/about/prevention-treatment.html
2. Don’t just show up at ER call your doctor or hospital before you go
3. Employers, don’t force sick people to come in to work
Probably some truth to all of this too.
https://twitter.com/marcorubio
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Head of Iran’s emergency medical services tests positive for coronavirus
https://nypost.com/2020/03/03/head-of-irans-emergency-medical-services-tests-positive-for-coronavirus/
Iran’s head of emergency medical services has tested positive for the coronavirus as an outbreak grips the nation, according to a report.
Pirhossein Kolivand is receiving treatment for the deadly virus that has infected more than 2,300 people in the country, the Independent reported, citing the semi-official ILNA news agency.
His “health is good and there is no need for concern,†his office said in a statement.
Kolivand is among at least two dozen of the country’s leaders who are sick from the virus, including 23 members of parliament....
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I actually heard that this was happening at a local Sam's, people were buying up a lot of household goods, specifically toilet paper and other items.
Remember back in the '70's when Johnny Carson made a joke on the Tonight Show about a toilet paper shortage (only a joke)? Within a few days most of the shelves in the country were empty. Sears catalogs worked well in the era of the outhouse, but nowadays?... :silly:
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Aside from age, and it may simply be a matter of available health care, it seems like some populations are being hit harder (higher mortality rate) than others. While that veery easily could be an artifact of reporting and statistics for those groups, I wonder if the virus targets some genetic traits in those populations that amplifies the overall effects and mortality.
There is a host of variables which could account for that including:
Religious practices
Overall hygiene
Quality of available health care and overall availability thereof
Living conditions/population density (crowded/urban vs more spread out)
Reporting/detection errors or variations
Political considerations (saving 'face')
Or there may be some genetic predisposition within a given demographic or demographics.
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Coronavirus mutates into second strain which is more aggressive and contagious
https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/coronavirus-mutates-second-strain-more-17860655 (https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/coronavirus-mutates-second-strain-more-17860655)
Chinese scientists identify two strains of the coronavirus, indicating it’s already mutated at least once
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/04/coronavirus-chinese-scientists-identify-two-types-covid-19.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/04/coronavirus-chinese-scientists-identify-two-types-covid-19.html)
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Coronavirus mutates into second strain which is more aggressive and contagious
https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/coronavirus-mutates-second-strain-more-17860655 (https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/coronavirus-mutates-second-strain-more-17860655)
Chinese scientists identify two strains of the coronavirus, indicating it’s already mutated at least once
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/04/coronavirus-chinese-scientists-identify-two-types-covid-19.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/04/coronavirus-chinese-scientists-identify-two-types-covid-19.html)
God I hate click bait articles....
After that Doom and Gloom headline, did you see this lower in the page?
"The prevalence of the more aggressive virus decreased after early January 2020, they said."
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Statistic the dumpster fire dims won't cover for this crisis.
Deaths this Flu Season- 8000 - 9000
Deaths from Coronovirs (on 3rd cycle now)- 9
This should also be of interest to many.... (More precautions needed focusing on the elderly)
(https://i.insider.com/5e583c47fee23d4cf4755b27?width=700&format=jpeg)
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Statistic the dumpster fire dims won't cover for this crisis.
Deaths this Flu Season- 8000 - 9000
Deaths from Coronovirs (on 3rd cycle now)- 9
This should also be of interest to many.... (More precautions needed focusing on the elderly)
(https://i.insider.com/5e583c47fee23d4cf4755b27?width=700&format=jpeg)
Notice the source for those numbers?
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Notice the source for those numbers?
Yeah, let me look a little further. I still think this probably isn't that far off, once you review the epidemiological comparisons to similar viral outbreaks.
(update) Not enough data yet, I guess. I know we can't trust the Chicoms, but my experience shows that graph to be in line with other viral infections. We should get a better idea after one more cycle.
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Italy to close all schools and universities for two weeks as coronavirus death toll rises
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/04/italys-death-toll-from-the-coronavirus-is-now-worse-than-iran.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/04/italys-death-toll-from-the-coronavirus-is-now-worse-than-iran.html)
Italy’s government will announce it will temporarily close the nation’s schools and universities due to the coronavirus outbreak, according to local media and a Reuters source, with the country’s education minister saying a final decision has not yet been made.
State-run RAI radio and the ANSA and LaPresse news agencies reported that Italian Premier Giuseppe Conte had agreed on the closure during a Cabinet meeting. But Education Minister Lucia Azzolina told reporters that nothing is final yet and a decision will be made in the next few hours.
The closure would be in effect from Thursday and will last until mid-March, and comes as authorities struggle to contain the spread of the coronavirus....
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The Official Coronavirus Numbers Are Wrong, and Everyone Knows It
https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2020/03/how-many-americans-really-have-coronavirus/607348/ (https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2020/03/how-many-americans-really-have-coronavirus/607348/)
MARCH 3, 2020
We know, irrefutably, one thing about the coronavirus in the United States: The number of cases reported in every chart and table is far too low.
The data are untrustworthy because the processes we used to get them were flawed. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s testing procedures missed the bulk of the cases. They focused exclusively on travelers, rather than testing more broadly, because that seemed like the best way to catch cases entering the country.
Just days ago, it was not clear that the virus had spread solely from domestic contact at all. But then cases began popping up with no known international connection. What public-health experts call “community spread†had arrived in the United States. The virus would not be stopped by tight borders, because it was already propagating domestically. Trevor Bedford’s lab at the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center in Seattle, which studies viral evolution, concluded there is “firm evidence†that, at least in Washington State, the coronavirus had been spreading undetected for weeks. Now different projections estimate that 20 to 1,500 people have already been infected in the greater Seattle area. In California, too, the disease appears to be spreading, although the limited testing means that no one is quite sure how far.
In total, fewer than 500 people have been tested across the country (although the CDC has stopped reporting that number in its summary of the outbreak). As a result, the current “official†case count inside the United States stood at 43 as of this morning (excluding cruise-ship cases). This number is wrong, yet it’s still constantly printed and quoted. In other contexts, we’d call this what it is: a subtle form of misinformation....
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The Official Coronavirus Numbers Are Wrong, and Everyone Knows It
https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2020/03/how-many-americans-really-have-coronavirus/607348/ (https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2020/03/how-many-americans-really-have-coronavirus/607348/)
MARCH 3, 2020
We know, irrefutably, one thing about the coronavirus in the United States: The number of cases reported in every chart and table is far too low.
The data are untrustworthy because the processes we used to get them were flawed. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s testing procedures missed the bulk of the cases. They focused exclusively on travelers, rather than testing more broadly, because that seemed like the best way to catch cases entering the country.
Just days ago, it was not clear that the virus had spread solely from domestic contact at all. But then cases began popping up with no known international connection. What public-health experts call “community spread†had arrived in the United States. The virus would not be stopped by tight borders, because it was already propagating domestically. Trevor Bedford’s lab at the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center in Seattle, which studies viral evolution, concluded there is “firm evidence†that, at least in Washington State, the coronavirus had been spreading undetected for weeks. Now different projections estimate that 20 to 1,500 people have already been infected in the greater Seattle area. In California, too, the disease appears to be spreading, although the limited testing means that no one is quite sure how far.
In total, fewer than 500 people have been tested across the country (although the CDC has stopped reporting that number in its summary of the outbreak). As a result, the current “official†case count inside the United States stood at 43 as of this morning (excluding cruise-ship cases). This number is wrong, yet it’s still constantly printed and quoted. In other contexts, we’d call this what it is: a subtle form of misinformation....
Many many cases are and will be asymptomatic. Those numbers never get counted. Some of the preliminary numbers, yes preliminary, are indicating the target mortality demographic (like flu) of this disease is the elderly. I hope Pence adjusts his task force contingency plans to address this.
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Really, what you all were kind of talking about.
WHO Announces Global Death Rate For Coronavirus Is Now 3.4%
The WHO says the coronavirus is killing people at a rate much higher than the flu
According to the World Health Organization (WHO), COVID-19, the disease caused by the new coronavirus, has already killed about 3.4 percent of confirmed cases around the world. This figure is not only higher than previous estimates, but it’s more than twice that of the death rate for the flu.
The fatality rate for the seasonal flu is less than one percent, comparatively. The global spread of COVID-19 can be controlled, according to the Director-General of the WHO Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus. He’s urging all countries to step up their containment efforts and measures to protect those in the medical field who are dealing with confirmed and potential cases on the front lines.
More: https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/announces-global-death-rate-coronavirus-061225297.html (https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/announces-global-death-rate-coronavirus-061225297.html)
This above article is from "Scary Mommy", check yahoo link, but I did hear that they had a new rate so the article is accurate I'm sure.
Also:
BNO Newsroom
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I never saw this website, "scary mommy", but it might be okay. All OR parts.
https://www.scarymommy.com/ (https://www.scarymommy.com/)
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Really, what you all were kind of talking about.
This above article is from "Scary Mommy", check yahoo link, but I did hear that they had a new rate so the article is accurate I'm sure.
Also:
I never saw this website, "scary mommy", but it might be okay. All OR parts.
https://www.scarymommy.com/ (https://www.scarymommy.com/)
Updates coming in that the death toll up to 10. Again, primarily the elderly, and those pre-existing conditions.
If trend continues that the impact to young and healthy is minimal, I hope task forece repositions its contingency plans to especially protect the elderly. i.e Nursing Homes, hospitals, Assisted Living, etc. Still skeptical of mortality rate, because there is some anecdotal evidence out there that COVID-19 may have more instances of asymptomaic cases than normal seasonal flu. Still to early to say definitively one way or the other.
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CDC medical screener at LAX airport tests positive for coronavirus
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/medical-screener-lax-airport-tests-positive-coronavirus-n1149986 (https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/medical-screener-lax-airport-tests-positive-coronavirus-n1149986)
A medical professional who conducted passenger screenings at Los Angeles International airport tested positive for the coronavirus late Tuesday night, according to a statement from the Department of Homeland Security and an internal email obtained by NBC News.
The person last worked screening air travelers for illness on Feb. 21, said the DHS statement, which also said the medical professional had worn the proper protective gear while working. The internal email described the medical professional as a "CDC {Centers for Disease Control and Prevention} contract medical screener."
The email also said "these [contract] screeners are predominantly assigned to the CDC in-transit lounge and a few support jetway screening on direct flights from China."
In its public statement, the DHS said, "Late last night, DHS headquarters was alerted to a situation where one of our contracted medical professionals conducting screenings at LAX international airport had tested positive for COVID-19, also known as the coronavirus. This individual is currently under self-quarantine at home with mild symptoms and under medical supervision. Their immediate family is also under home quarantine."...
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That cat is definitely out of the bag.
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But...
Why Taiwan Has Just 42 Coronavirus Cases while Neighbors Report Hundreds or Thousands
By Ralph Jennings
March 04, 2020 03:59 AM
TAIPEI, TAIWAN - Taiwan sits near Japan, China and South Korea, three countries with some of the world’s worst outbreaks of the deadly coronavirus, but the island itself has just 42 isolated cases.
Chalk it up to extra early, effective preparedness, analysts and policymakers say – so effective that people’s approval of the government unexpectedly soared last month.
Taiwanese health officials saw the virus taking shape in the central Chinese Wuhan in December and began checking passengers who flew in from there. They also cut off flights from much of China, the outbreak origin, before a lot of peers around Asia did.
Now almost every public building in Taipei offers hand sanitizer and a lot of them, such as schools, require that anyone entering submit to a fever check....
Read more at: https://www.voanews.com/science-health/coronavirus-outbreak/why-taiwan-has-just-42-coronavirus-cases-while-neighbors-report (https://www.voanews.com/science-health/coronavirus-outbreak/why-taiwan-has-just-42-coronavirus-cases-while-neighbors-report)
So, maybe some hope, hand sanitizer, yes, I've gotten a few bottles of that recently.
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Seattle urges people over 60 to stay home 'as much as possible' due to coronavirus
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/486020-seattle-urges-people-over-60-to-stay-home-as-much-as-possible-due-to
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Seattle urges people over 60 to stay home 'as much as possible' due to coronavirus
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/486020-seattle-urges-people-over-60-to-stay-home-as-much-as-possible-due-to
The comments on that site are pretty toxic all by themselves...
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https://hotair.com/archives/jazz-shaw/2020/03/04/coronavirus-patient-screw-quarantine-pal/ (https://hotair.com/archives/jazz-shaw/2020/03/04/coronavirus-patient-screw-quarantine-pal/)
Coronavirus Patient: Screw Your Quarantine, Pal
New Hampshire’s first confirmed coronavirus patient was discovered recently and as has been happening in many places around the country, the hospital worker was told to stay home and remain isolated for 14 days. Seems like a solid plan, right? Perhaps not so much. We’ve now learned that there was some sort of “invitation only†event on Friday that the patient really wanted to attend. So they did. Without telling anyone.
Now the original patient is supposedly back home and in self-quarantine, but so are all of the event attendees who came in “close contact†with them. How many people each of them came in close contact with before being quarantined remains unknown.
Somebody should be occupying their time in quarantine by filling out an unemployment insurance claim, IMO! This wasn't a barista at a drive-up espresso kiosk, it was a hospital worker who should know better!
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Seattle urges people over 60 to stay home 'as much as possible' due to coronavirus
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/486020-seattle-urges-people-over-60-to-stay-home-as-much-as-possible-due-to (https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/486020-seattle-urges-people-over-60-to-stay-home-as-much-as-possible-due-to)
Right. This virus seems to put people over 60 in a higher risk category. Here is some perspective.
241 million
A country is in an aging population, which means it occupies 10 percent or 7 percent of the total population aged over 60 or 65 respectively. In 2017, in China, the proportion of Chinese citizens above 60 years old obtained 17.3 percent, approximately above 241 million.
Aging of China - Wikipedia (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiVxd3t9YHoAhXK7Z4KHUeoAOwQFjADegQIDhAF&url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FAging_of_China&usg=AOvVaw0z4sERPvd2_0WBVFlrhVvX)
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https://hotair.com/archives/jazz-shaw/2020/03/04/coronavirus-patient-screw-quarantine-pal/ (https://hotair.com/archives/jazz-shaw/2020/03/04/coronavirus-patient-screw-quarantine-pal/)
Coronavirus Patient: Screw Your Quarantine, Pal
Somebody should be occupying their time in quarantine by filling out an unemployment insurance claim, IMO! This wasn't a barista at a drive-up espresso kiosk, it was a hospital worker who should know better!
A "worker" that should be looking for another line of work right now....
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https://hotair.com/archives/jazz-shaw/2020/03/04/coronavirus-patient-screw-quarantine-pal/ (https://hotair.com/archives/jazz-shaw/2020/03/04/coronavirus-patient-screw-quarantine-pal/)
Coronavirus Patient: Screw Your Quarantine, Pal
Somebody should be occupying their time in quarantine by filling out an unemployment insurance claim, IMO! This wasn't a barista at a drive-up espresso kiosk, it was a hospital worker who should know better!
Everyone that gets quarantined due to his actions should sue him for their losses. He was grossly negligent and he should be held accountable for it.
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A "worker" that should be looking for another line of work right now....
Might be a need for gravediggers. 'specially for someone with experience.
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Might be a need for gravediggers. 'specially for someone with experience.
"The world needs ditch-diggers, too!"
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Medical professional at Los Angeles airport tests positive for coronavirus
A medical professional conducting coronavirus screenings at Los Angeles International Airport has tested positive for the virus, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) said Wednesday.
The person began to exhibit cold-like symptoms on Feb. 29 and visited their primary care doctor for a COVID-19 test the next day. The test came back positive, DHS said in a statement.
DHS headquarters was alerted to the situation late Tuesday night, spokeswoman Heather Swift said in a statement.
more
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/486037-medical-professional-at-los-angeles-airport-tests-positive-for-coronavirus
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New Hampshire coronavirus patient broke quarantine to attend Dartmouth Business event
A coronavirus patient disregarded directions to remain quarantined and attended a Dartmouth Business School event in Vermont on Feb. 28, the New Hampshire Department of Health and Human Services said Wednesday.
State epidemiologist Dr. Benjamin Chan said the unidentified man had recently traveled to Italy, the epicenter of the coronavirus outbreak in Europe, and that a second man is believed to have contracted the virus from him, although it remains unclear if it was transmitted at the Dartmouth event.
“Dartmouth-Hitchcock Medical Center [DHMC] has announced that the first person identified as a positive case is an employee. DHMC has identified staff who may have been exposed through close contact with the patient and will monitor those individuals’ self-monitoring or self-isolating,†the department added. “At this time, DHMC is not aware of exposure to any patients in clinical areas.â€
more
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/486040-new-hampshire-coronavirus-patient-broke-quarantine-to-attend-dartmouth
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I'm still not sure what happened in Italy to be smacked down so bad. I thought it started with cruise ship passengers, could be other.
Washington Post:
Does the World Health Organization have the freedom to do what it needs to do about covid-19?
Health diplomacy is tricky.
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This isn’t the first time critics have accused China of covering up or downplaying the severity of an infectious disease outbreak. Media coverage recalls China’s poor handling of H5N1 influenza, also known as bird flu, in 1997 — along with denials about SARS in 2002 and 2003.
Has the international community been too willing to accommodate the Chinese government because of its political and economic influence? In reality, the story isn’t that simple, and it’s not just about China. Disease diplomacy is tricky, and covid-19 is proving just how hard it is for the global community to respond to infectious diseases.
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With a new infectious disease outbreak originating in China, WHO may have decided the best way to get the Chinese government to cooperate is by playing “good cop†— praising China’s efforts and thanking Beijing for its cooperation as a way of keeping it on board and engaged with WHO. Rather than highlighting China’s lack of information sharing, WHO officials may have calculated that “naming and shaming†would be unlikely to produce a better outcome.
More: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/03/04/does-world-health-organization-have-freedom-do-what-it-needs-do-about-covid-19/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/03/04/does-world-health-organization-have-freedom-do-what-it-needs-do-about-covid-19/)
Coronavirus really dominating the news cycle.
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BNO Newsroom
@BNODesk
BREAKING: New Jersey reports first case of coronavirus
https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1235377077605617667
Sometimes, there are suspect cases but they don't pan out. The person is put under observation but did not have it.
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WHO is in bed with Chicoms. WHO is underfunded and corrupt.
They parrot the Party line.
Just for fun check out some of the local outbreaks.
Ebola. Malaria. Cholera.
From Dec. 1 to Jan. 31 there were 19 cases of MERS-CoV with 8 deaths reported in Saudi Arabia.
There is an ongoing outbreak of Ebola in Africa.
Malaria is making a comeback in Venezuela.
With the Cholera cases and poor living conditions in Yemen, when Covid hits there the death toll could be huge.
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WHO is in bed with Chicoms. WHO is underfunded and corrupt.
They parrot the Party line.
Just for fun check out some of the local outbreaks.
Ebola. Malaria. Cholera.
From Dec. 1 to Jan. 31 there were 19 cases of MERS-CoV with 8 deaths reported in Saudi Arabia.
There is an ongoing outbreak of Ebola in Africa.
Malaria is making a comeback in Venezuela.
With the Cholera cases and poor living conditions in Yemen, when Covid hits there the death toll could be huge.
Yes, on the mark.
Here's another interesting story:
Coronavirus: ‘Recovered’ patient dies as China reports discharged cases falling ill again
A 36-year-old man has died in Wuhan from respiratory failure days after being discharged from hospital
Latest data from the mainland shows most new infections continue to occur at epidemic’s epicentre.
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3065091/coronavirus-recovered-patient-dies-china-reports-139-new-cases (https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3065091/coronavirus-recovered-patient-dies-china-reports-139-new-cases)
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Dr. Drew talking about Coronavirus.
https://imgur.com/gallery/y0erqxE (https://imgur.com/gallery/y0erqxE)
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Breaking:
Coronavirus: California declares emergency after death
California has declared a state of emergency after announcing its first coronavirus death, bringing the US death toll from the disease to 11.
The 71-year-old man, who died in a hospital near Sacramento, had underlying health conditions and had been on a cruise ship, said officials.
The White House moved on Wednesday to expand testing nationwide for the disease.
Read more at: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51740706 (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51740706)
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Dr. Drew talking about Coronavirus.
https://imgur.com/gallery/y0erqxE (https://imgur.com/gallery/y0erqxE)
Good post.
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https://hotair.com/archives/jazz-shaw/2020/03/04/coronavirus-patient-screw-quarantine-pal/ (https://hotair.com/archives/jazz-shaw/2020/03/04/coronavirus-patient-screw-quarantine-pal/)
Coronavirus Patient: Screw Your Quarantine, Pal
Somebody should be occupying their time in quarantine by filling out an unemployment insurance claim, IMO! This wasn't a barista at a drive-up espresso kiosk, it was a hospital worker who should know better!
No unemployment for those terminated for cause. That sort of behaviour is cause enough, imho, in the medical field.
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Health Official giving Coronavirus advise
https://i.imgur.com/OmM8KWw.mp4
while licking her fingers...
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Sneezing in Texas
https://i.imgur.com/o2eq8Vz.mp4
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Good post.
Dr. Drew. *****rollingeyes*****
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Dr. Drew. *****rollingeyes*****
Something is tanking the world's markets and the price of gas at this point....so, I'd recognize Dr. Drew's points but otoh, he's not the only doctor out ther.e
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I almost wonder if the South China Morning Post (Hong Kong and a free speech outlet, pretty much) should run such an "iffy" article on a human possibly passing the coronavirus to a dog but there it is and probably still informative.
Coronavirus: Hong Kong dog’s infection not confirmed until blood tests, government health adviser says
The government said the Pomeranian had a ‘low-level infection’ after it repeatedly tested ‘weak positive’
But City University professor insists only a screening for antibodies can confirm the diagnosis
Karen Zhang 5 Mar, 2020
The dog said to have contracted the coronavirus in Hong Kong was still not a confirmed case, a government health adviser cautioned on Thursday, adding that the conclusion hinged on pending blood test results.
Professor Vanessa Barrs of City University offered the clarification a day after the Agriculture, Fisheries and Conservation Department (AFCD) said the Pomeranian, which belongs to an infected patient, had a “low-level infection†as it had repeatedly tested “weak positiveâ€.
The dog’s infection was likely to be the first reported case of human-to-animal transmission of Covid-19, the deadly illness caused by the pathogen.
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Officials said the Pomeranian had a ‘low-level infection’ after it repeatedly tested ‘weak positive’. Photo: Facebook
More: https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/health-environment/article/3065190/coronavirus-hong-kong-dogs-infection-not (https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/health-environment/article/3065190/coronavirus-hong-kong-dogs-infection-not)
Spain, 1st death to virus. Argentina, 1st case.
https://www.voanews.com/science-health/coronavirus-outbreak/argentina-reports-1st-coronavirus-case-spain-its-1st-death (https://www.voanews.com/science-health/coronavirus-outbreak/argentina-reports-1st-coronavirus-case-spain-its-1st-death)
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Sneezing in Texas
https://i.imgur.com/o2eq8Vz.mp4
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Texas man tests positive for coronavirus in Fort Bend County
https://www.texastribune.org/2020/03/04/texas-coronavirus-case-confirmed-fort-bend-county/ (https://www.texastribune.org/2020/03/04/texas-coronavirus-case-confirmed-fort-bend-county/)
The state's first coronavirus case identified outside of a Texas quarantine site is a man in his 70s who lives in the Houston area, Fort Bend County health officials said Wednesday.
The man recently traveled abroad, county officials said. He has been hospitalized and is in stable condition....
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Something is tanking the world's markets and the price of gas at this point....so, I'd recognize Dr. Drew's points but otoh, he's not the only doctor out ther.e
I'll stick with Dr. Tony Fauci one of the top experts in the field before taking advise from the Loveline and Celebrity Rehab and confessed former cokehead "Dr. Drew".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_S._Fauci (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_S._Fauci)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drew_Pinsky (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drew_Pinsky)
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Reddit 3/5/2020
Posted byu/Boring-Magazine
3 days ago
Coronavirus rumors
Chinese social media rumor mill is abuzz like wildfire these past few days about the SARS-COV-2 coronavirus in Sugar Land due to a 60 year old Taiwanese lady recently diagnosed in Taiwan. She was part of a 36 person tour group in Dubai UAE and Egypt, many of whom were very sick during the tour, and she arrived back in Taiwan on Feb 21st, and was just confirmed just a couple of days ago (this has been reported in the media), and contact tracing has begun. As of 3/1, multiple others in the tour group have been confirmed.
4 in the group were in Canada reported as confirmed in the media in Ontario
2 in DC
10 white (this is Chinese social media after all)
2 directly to Taiwan (already mentioned)
2 California both confirmed infected
6 Houston (2 Woodlands, 4 Memorial)
10 in Sugar Land of which:
2 went on to Taiwan
2 Riverstone
2 Telfair
2 Sugar Creek
2 Unknown
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How Computer Modeling Of COVID-19's Spread Could Help Fight The Virus
Scientists who use math and computers to simulate the course of epidemics are taking on the new coronavirus to try to predict how this global outbreak might evolve and how best to tackle it.
But some say more could be done to take advantage of these modeling tools and the researchers' findings.
"It is sort of an ad hoc, volunteer effort, and I think that's something that we could improve upon," says Caitlin Rivers, an infectious diseases modeler with the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security.
In her view, "modeling plays a really important role in understanding how an outbreak is unfolding, where it might be going, and what we should be thinking through."
But only a small number of the modelers of epidemics work for the federal government, she says. Most are in academia, and they don't have formal relationships with officials who have to make key public health decisions.
Still, they are highly motivated to put their skills to use for the public good. They got to work almost as soon as the first reports of a new virus in China emerged in late December.
They've made similar efforts for past outbreaks, such as Ebola and Zika. But this time around felt different, people in the field say.
"I've never seen the modeling community so galvanized, you know — around this outbreak, and willing to share and collaborate," says Cecile Viboud, a scientist at the Fogarty International Center, based at the National Institutes of Health...........
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/03/04/811146915/how-computer-modeling-of-covid-19s-spread-could-help-fight-the-virus (https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/03/04/811146915/how-computer-modeling-of-covid-19s-spread-could-help-fight-the-virus)
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Coronavirus screening may miss two-thirds of infected travelers entering U.S.
This is part of our Coronavirus Update series in which Harvard specialists in epidemiology, infectious disease, economics, politics, and other disciplines offer insights into what the latest developments in the COVID-19 outbreak may bring.
As many thousands of students prepare to decamp for warmer climes over spring break, a Harvard epidemiologist warned that traveler screening may catch just one in three symptomatic cases of COVID-19, the disease caused by the new coronavirus, meaning there already could be hundreds of U.S. cases that slipped through earlier screenings.
Marc Lipsitch, head of the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health’s Center for Communicable Disease Dynamics, said Wednesday that recent modeling compared the number of people likely exhibiting COVID-19 symptoms with the number caught by traveler-screening programs, using the robust screening program in Singapore as a global gold standard.
The result showed that most countries’ procedures miss two-thirds of travelers exhibiting COVID-19 symptoms, a finding that Lipsitch said may explain the recent appearance of a cluster of cases in Washington, where 10 people have died. Lipsitch said travelers sick with COVID-19 likely arrived in the U.S. four to six weeks earlier and simply were missed in screening, leading to the Seattle area outbreak.
“I think you could have certainly hundreds, if not more, cases around the United States by this point,†Lipsitch said. “The problem with giving a firm number … is that there’s a lot of randomness in whether a particular a case does or doesn’t spark a chain of transmission.â€..........
https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2020/03/hundreds-of-u-s-coronavirus-cases-may-have-slipped-through-screenings/
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For people with the interest you will like this.
Who Or What Started The Wuhan Coronavirus Epidemic?
https://ahtribune.com/world/3930-who-or-what-started-the-wuhan-coronavirus.html (https://ahtribune.com/world/3930-who-or-what-started-the-wuhan-coronavirus.html)
On the Condemnation of "Conspiracy Theories" as a Device for Protecting Officialdom’s Lies, Disinformation, and Obfuscation.
March 02 ,2020
BY Prof. Anthony Hall
The ZEROHEDGE (https://www.zerohedge.com/health/who-or-what-started-wuhan-coronavirus-epidemic) version.
by Tyler Durden
Thu, 03/05/2020 - 00:05
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Coronavirus confirmed cases and fatalities, state by state
https://www.foxnews.com/us/coronavirus-confirmed-cases-and-fatalities-state-by-state (https://www.foxnews.com/us/coronavirus-confirmed-cases-and-fatalities-state-by-state)
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Passengers left scrambling as British airline Flybe collapses amid coronavirus travel fears
British airline Flybe abruptly shut down Thursday, causing chaos for passengers who were slated to travel on the airline and leading the U.K.'s Civil Aviation Authority as well as train and bus services to step in to try to mitigate the upheaval.
Flybe collapsed Thursday amid drops in demand caused by the new coronavirus.
Northern Ireland resident Xenia Pestova Bennett, 40, was briefly stranded in Bournemouth, England, after a concert. Bennett was about to check out of her hotel room and head to the airport when she received a text telling her not to bother.
More at: https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/airline-news/2020/03/05/british-airline-flybe-collapses-stranding-passengers/4961476002/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/airline-news/2020/03/05/british-airline-flybe-collapses-stranding-passengers/4961476002/)
Significant, even if most of us have probably never heard of this company.
Trump Solves Problem Caused by Obama-Era Regulation Which Was Stalling Ability to Test for Coronavirus
Posted at 6:30 pm on March 4, 2020 by Nick Arama
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But one of the reasons that testing on a state level has been stalled was actually because of an Food and Drug administration regulation instituted by Barack Obama.
The regulation demanded that state run laboratories could only use medical tests approved by the FDA.
While it might ordinarily seem reasonable to prevent questionable testing, it is a silly rule in the middle of an emergent threat from a new virus and it could prevent people from being properly diagnosed.
More: https://www.redstate.com/nick-arama/2020/03/04/793413/ (https://www.redstate.com/nick-arama/2020/03/04/793413/)
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Legislation honoring that original whistleblower of this Wuhan flu passed the Senate.:
Resolution Honoring Dr. Li Wenliang Passes Senate
March 3, 2020
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Contact: Caroline Tabler or James Arnold (202) 224-2353
March 3, 2020
Resolution Honoring Dr. Li Wenliang Passes Senate
Washington, D.C. — The U.S. Senate passed a resolution honoring Dr. Li Wenliang, the Chinese doctor who first identified the severity of the coronavirus outbreak in China late last year and sought to warn the government about the potentially devastating impact of the disease. Dr. Li succumbed to the coronavirus on February 7, 2020. The resolution also calls for transparency and cooperation from the government of the People's Republic of China and the Communist Party of China.
The resolution is sponsored by Senators Tom Cotton (R-Arkansas), Bob Menendez (D-New Jersey), Ed Markey (D-Massachusetts), Cory Gardner (R-Colorado), Elizabeth Warren (D-Massachusetts), and John Barrasso (R-Wyoming). Text of the resolution may be found here. (https://www.cotton.senate.gov/files/documents/CAN20104.pdf)
https://www.cotton.senate.gov/?p=press_release&id=1330 (https://www.cotton.senate.gov/?p=press_release&id=1330)
Of course, the flu did kill the good doctor.
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Reddit 3/5/2020
Posted byu/Boring-Magazine
3 days ago
Coronavirus rumors
Chinese social media rumor mill is abuzz like wildfire these past few days about the SARS-COV-2 coronavirus in Sugar Land due to a 60 year old Taiwanese lady recently diagnosed in Taiwan. She was part of a 36 person tour group in Dubai UAE and Egypt, many of whom were very sick during the tour, and she arrived back in Taiwan on Feb 21st, and was just confirmed just a couple of days ago (this has been reported in the media), and contact tracing has begun. As of 3/1, multiple others in the tour group have been confirmed.
4 in the group were in Canada reported as confirmed in the media in Ontario
2 in DC
10 white (this is Chinese social media after all)
2 directly to Taiwan (already mentioned)
2 California both confirmed infected
6 Houston (2 Woodlands, 4 Memorial)
10 in Sugar Land of which:
2 went on to Taiwan
2 Riverstone
2 Telfair
2 Sugar Creek
2 Unknown
Lovely,
4 houses away, where my neighborhood ends, Sugar Creek begins.
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Lovely,
4 houses away, where my neighborhood ends, Sugar Creek begins.
With an up to 14 day incubation period, I think we might be surprised how far this has spread.
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With an up to 14 day incubation period, I think we might be surprised how far this has spread.
Yep.
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2 Canadian insurance companies stop covering coronavirus-related trip cancellations
Other companies will likely 'jump on the bandwagon,' industry expert predicts
Sophia Harris · CBC News · Posted: Mar 05, 2020
Two major Canadian travel insurance providers — Manulife and TuGo — will no longer cover new customers who need to cancel their trips due to the coronavirus outbreak.
Travellers with regular trip cancellation insurance typically have been able to get reimbursed if, after booking their trip, Ottawa issued a coronavirus-related advisory to avoid non-essential travel to their destination.
However, Manulife and TuGo will no longer offer this type of coverage. Both companies told CBC News that the coronavirus is now a "known" issue and therefore cancellation coverage no longer applies — as it's designed for unexpected mishaps.
More at: https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/coronavirus-manulife-tugo-travel-insurance-1.5486117 (https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/coronavirus-manulife-tugo-travel-insurance-1.5486117)
The article goes on to say, if they don't do this, they may be facing millions of dollars in claims.
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I thought the incubation period was up to 24 days now.
UAE pledges $3.4m to help Afghanistan diagnose 50,000 cases of Coronovirus
By Khaama Press / in Afghanistan / on Thursday, 05 Mar 2020
The United Arab Emirates pledged 3.4 million U.S. Dollars to help Afghanistan in diagnosis of 50,000 cases of Coronavirus, the Afghan officials said.
Waheed Mayar, a spokesperson for the Ministry of Public of Health said the first consignment of the diagnosis kits is expected to arrive in the near future.
The Public Health Ministry officials had earlier said the ministry has registered a total of 15 suspected cases of Coronavirus in four provinces including Kabul.
https://www.khaama.com/uae-pledges-3-4m-to-help-afghanistan-diagnose-50000-cases-of-coronovirus-04476/ (https://www.khaama.com/uae-pledges-3-4m-to-help-afghanistan-diagnose-50000-cases-of-coronovirus-04476/)
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The article goes on to say, if they don't do this, they may be facing millions of dollars in claims.
Doesn't the industry already offer insurance for "acts of god" type of travel cancellations?
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With an up to 14 day incubation period, I think we might be surprised how far this has spread.
Early articles put the incubation period as long as 24 days.
The 14 day feelgood quarantine is not going to stop this at all.
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Early articles put the incubation period as long as 24 days.
The 14 day feelgood quarantine is not going to stop this at all.
Exactly....
No telling how many of us have it already. And since it seems the disease isn't impacting the younger demographics as much , there are probably huge numbers of asymptomatic cases out there too.
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Coronavirus: Italy says it's had 41 new COVID-19 deaths in just 24 hours
https://www.euronews.com/2020/03/05/two-more-people-die-from-covid-19-in-france-says-the-country-s-health-ministry (https://www.euronews.com/2020/03/05/two-more-people-die-from-covid-19-in-france-says-the-country-s-health-ministry)
Italy says it's had 41 new COVID-19 deaths in just 24 hours.
The country's civil protection agency said on Thursday evening that 3,858 people had been infected and 148 had died.
It came as the UK and Switzerland announced their first deaths from the disease.
Earlier on Thursday, the World Health Organization (WHO) urged people not to give up fighting the outbreak.
It has now killed 3,281 people globally and infected more than 95,000.
"This is not a drill, this is not a time to give up, this is not a time for excuses, this is a time for pulling out all the stops," WHO director-general Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said....
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Coronavirus: Italy says it's had 41 new COVID-19 deaths in just 24 hours
I am very interested in getting demographic, (age and conditon specifically) breakdowns of deaths, but it seems these details are slow in coming.
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At this point it is inevitable that it is going sweep across the US and the rest of the world.
But the slower it progresses the better the outcomes will be. The worst case is millions coming down with serious symptoms all at the same time and there are not enough resources to treat them all. Then the death rate will soar.
If the spread remains slow enough to treat people it will be bad but not nearly as bad as it could have been.
It could also mutate into something more mild - or the other way.
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All the extreme Leftists who have been calling for population reduction must be celebrating now.
Until it hits them, and their families.
With Leftists, all their philosophies are alway about what YOU should do, and not about what THEY should do.
In this case, they will have little choice but to live out their own words.
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Medicare to cover testing for the coronavirus
Chris Kissell 3 hrs ago
Here is a rare bit of good news for older Americans worried about contracting COVID-19 — the official name for what is more commonly referred to as “the coronavirus.†If you have Medicare Part B, it will cover the cost of testing for the disease so long as a few conditions are met.
Patients usually pay nothing for covered diagnostic lab tests, the Medicare program said in an announcement Wednesday.
Medicare, the federal health insurance program that primarily serves people age 65 and older, will cover the coronavirus test if:
Your health care provider orders the test.
You got it on or after Feb. 4.
Your health care provider waits until after April 1 to submit an insurance claim for it.
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/insurance/medicare-to-cover-testing-for-the-coronavirus/ar-BB10KKe0?ocid=spartanntp (https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/insurance/medicare-to-cover-testing-for-the-coronavirus/ar-BB10KKe0?ocid=spartanntp)
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(https://i.imgur.com/fmAQgDe.jpg)
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(https://i.imgur.com/fmAQgDe.jpg)
If I read that correctly the fatality rate is a little under 10% for all the people 65 and over that get COVID-19 and 12 times worse than the flu. Assuming those stats are correct.
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12 deaths from the coronavirus so far and so far known to be in the US, 11th death for Washington state reported Thursday:
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/03/coronavirus-death-toll-rises-12-latest-updates-200305231909069.html (https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/03/coronavirus-death-toll-rises-12-latest-updates-200305231909069.html)
So, yes, coronavirus has probably spread beyond what we know but from those we know of, see above.
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12 deaths from the coronavirus so far and so far known to be in the US, 11th death for Washington state reported Thursday:
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/03/coronavirus-death-toll-rises-12-latest-updates-200305231909069.html (https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/03/coronavirus-death-toll-rises-12-latest-updates-200305231909069.html)
So, yes, coronavirus has probably spread beyond what we know but from those we know of, see above.
Since this disease has a high rate of asymptomatic cases, high variabity of incubation time (now understood to be i 14-24 day range) that that is an understatement. Like I said earlier, don't be surprised if one of us right now has it as we post. But it is becoming clearer and clearer that this disease in some ways is much like flu in its targeting of the elderly and those with pre-existing conditions. With that data becoming more evident, I hope Pence and his task force starts working contingency plans to protect our nation's elderly.
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If I read that correctly the fatality rate is a little under 10% for all the people 65 and over that get COVID-19 and 12 times worse than the flu. Assuming those stats are correct.
That looks if I am not mistaken the same as what was reported by the Chinese government.(COVID-19) .
I guess the CDC now feels comfortable with that data. Seems the 3% Mortality Rate of reported cases seems to be a coalescing number. But a disclaimer, I would venture that there is and will be a ton of asymptomatic cases that are going to escape the Epidemiologist numbers crunchers.
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Medicare to cover testing for the coronavirus
Chris Kissell 3 hrs ago
Here is a rare bit of good news for older Americans worried about contracting COVID-19 — the official name for what is more commonly referred to as “the coronavirus.†If you have Medicare Part B, it will cover the cost of testing for the disease so long as a few conditions are met.
Patients usually pay nothing for covered diagnostic lab tests, the Medicare program said in an announcement Wednesday.
Medicare, the federal health insurance program that primarily serves people age 65 and older, will cover the coronavirus test if:
Your health care provider orders the test.
You got it on or after Feb. 4.
Your health care provider waits until after April 1 to submit an insurance claim for it.
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/insurance/medicare-to-cover-testing-for-the-coronavirus/ar-BB10KKe0?ocid=spartanntp (https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/insurance/medicare-to-cover-testing-for-the-coronavirus/ar-BB10KKe0?ocid=spartanntp)
Yippee. Those over 65 can get tested .... what about those 60-65? And ... there is no vaccine, nothing that would wipe out the virus. So you get tested, they quarantine you ...and what about treatment??
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Early articles put the incubation period as long as 24 days.
The 14 day feelgood quarantine is not going to stop this at all.
Releasing suspected people with corona after 14 days seems to be a big problem. We have university students coming back from Italy and they are going to "self quarantine" for 14 days. That will probably prove to be useless. Where are they going to quarantine them? To the dorm? Send them back to their home state for awhile?
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Can anyone say pandemic?
Thousands of US residents have been asked by state governments to 'self-quarantine.' Here's what that looks like
With US coronavirus cases topping 220 across 19 states and the death toll climbing to more than a dozen, state governments have asked thousands of residents to seclude themselves from the rest of the community to help contain the virus.
In New York alone, more than 2,500 people were instructed to self-quarantine as health officials scour for anyone who may have been exposed to the state's first coronavirus cases. At least 22 have tested positive and are in isolation.
In California, health officials said Thursday more than 9,700 returning travelers were told to stay at home and monitor their health. Gov. Gavin Newsom declared a state of emergency earlier this week after California saw its first virus-related death.
As numbers climb, states are grappling to keep an eye on the thousands of residents shuttered in their homes who may have come in contact with someone infected in efforts to stop the spread of the illness............
.............But as more individuals are forced to stay home, communities are also having to come up with solutions to accommodate their needs -- financial stability and food.
Washington state Gov. Jay Inslee announced the state would assist both employers and employees, with efforts such as providing paid leave benefits for workers who need to take time off.
If the virus results in a "mass layoff or closure," the governor said the state will work to provide resources and funding to help "impacted workers get connected to unemployment benefits and re-employment services, including re-training, worker support services, and referrals to other social services." ..........................
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/06/health/self-quarantine-explainer-procedures/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/06/health/self-quarantine-explainer-procedures/index.html)
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As it turns out, the case they have in Ft. Bend county TX was in Stafford, which is fairly close to me, but not in Sugar Land, where I live.
Home to the Stafford Ice House, where I met up with friends and have a few beers.
In fact, I am supposed to go there tonight, as 2 of my friends there have birthdays today.
EMT's came to the home of the person in their 70's and took him to the hospital.
The EMT's are being looked at now.
Some of the Washington State cases involved EMT's responding to people with the virus.
This is close to where I live, but not exactly down the street, about 5 miles away.
News also broke last night, about a case in unincorporated northwest Harris county.
Guess where I work?
Of course it will depend on just where in Harris county this is.....
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I have relatives and acquaintances who commute to work in Manhattan. They just started telecommuting a day or so ago.
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Yanzhong Huang
@YanzhongHuang
China's Xinhua News just posted a piece titled "Be bold: the world owes China a thank you", which says if China imposes restrictions on pharmaceutical exports, US will be "plunged into the mighty sea of coronavirus".
https://twitter.com/YanzhongHuang/status/1235300037875335170 (https://twitter.com/YanzhongHuang/status/1235300037875335170)
And the original article in Chinese though, the bing translator was able to bring it up in English if one really wanted to read it, I did "simple Chinese": http://www.xinhuanet.com/2020-03/04/c_1125660473.htm (http://www.xinhuanet.com/2020-03/04/c_1125660473.htm)
And this is why, we don't want China to have so much dominance.
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I don't buy talk that something will bring a regime down, it be Venezuela or Iran. I would say, it would seem possible but remote.
EXCLUSIVE: Iranian Resistance…Regime’s Coronavirus Corruption Will Finally Bring Down Mullahs
by Tsarizm Staff March 6, 20200611
“We estimate via our sources that over 1500 have died, and that is a conservative estimate.â€
Washington] CD Media sat down with Alireza Alireza Jafarzadeh, the deputy director of the Washington office of the National Council of Resistance of Iran, who is credited with exposing Iranian nuclear sites in Natanz and Arak in 2002, triggering International Atomic Energy Agency inspections, to discuss the coronavirus situation in the Iran.
“The virus in Iran is rapidly killing people and has now spread throughout the country. What the world needs to know is the role the regime has played in this development. They allowed the virus to enter Iran, did nothing to prevent its spread, and are actively profiting from the sale on the black market goods needed to treat the people. There has been extreme incompetence. They have brought in the Revolutionary Guards to suppress the people instead of helping them.
“As with the revolt against the sudden rise in fuel prices, instead of helping the people, they bring in the IRCG to just shoot them. After the regime downed the Ukrainian passenger airline, instead of telling the families the truth, they just killed them, literally going after the families of the victims who were seeking accountability. Now they are doing the same with the virus outbreak.
More: https://tsarizm.com/news/middle-east/2020/03/06/iranian-resistance-regimes-coronavirus-corruption-will-finally-bring-bring-down-mullahs/
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And the original article in Chinese though, the bing translator was able to bring it up in English if one really wanted to read it, I did "simple Chinese": http://www.xinhuanet.com/2020-03/04/c_1125660473.htm (http://www.xinhuanet.com/2020-03/04/c_1125660473.htm)
And this is why, we don't want China to have so much dominance.
Right... China doesn't have enough medical resources to fight what's going on there now. I'm supposed to believe they have plenty of extra materials to export to "save" the US. Due to a virus they released on the world. Just attempted face saving bluster.
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Right... China doesn't have enough medical resources to fight what's going on there now. I'm supposed to believe they have plenty of extra materials to export to "save" the US. Due to a virus they released on the world. Just attempted face saving bluster.
Do you have a source for this? They may be short of hospital beds and even hospitals but I'm not sure they have a pharmaceutical shortage. This was covered pages ago and a Senator even said this.
80% of key ingredients in American Drugs come from China, NBC investigation finds.
https://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/video/80-of-key-ingredients-in-american-drugs-come-from-china-nbc-news-investigation-finds-68787781640 (https://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/video/80-of-key-ingredients-in-american-drugs-come-from-china-nbc-news-investigation-finds-68787781640)
So, one wants to say, "oh, that's NBC:
from Asia Unbound and Global Health Program
U.S. Dependence on Pharmaceutical Products From China
Blog Post by Yanzhong Huang
August 14, 2019
A technician works at a product line of the Inactivated H1N1 Influenza Vaccine in Sinovac Biotech Ltd., a Chinese vaccine making company, in Beijing, September 3, 2009. REUTERS/Jason Lee (CHINA BUSINESS HEALTH)
Last month, the U.S.-China Economic and Security Review Commission held a hearing on the United States’ growing reliance on China's pharmaceutical products. The topic reminded me of a spirited discussion described in Bob Woodward’s book, Fear: Trump in the White House. In the discussion, Gary Cohn, then chief economic advisor to President Trump, argued against a trade war with China by invoking a Department of Commerce study that found that 97 percent of all antibiotics in the United States came from China. “If you’re the Chinese and you want to really just destroy us, just stop sending us antibiotics,†he said.
https://www.cfr.org/blog/us-dependence-pharmaceutical-products-china (https://www.cfr.org/blog/us-dependence-pharmaceutical-products-china)
Expert Warns Congress About U.S. Dependency on China for Medicine
By Brad Jones
September 18, 2019
As tension mounts between the world’s two largest economic powers, the United States and China, experts warn that the most populous nation on the globe virtually holds the key to America’s medicine cabinet.
Ninety percent of prescriptions in the U.S. are filled with generic drugs, and China dominates the industry that provides the necessary active pharmaceutical ingredients to drug manufacturers.
“This is an untold story and it has huge implications for our health and security,†Rosemary Gibson, senior advisor at The Hastings Center, told The Epoch Times
https://www.theepochtimes.com/expert-warns-congress-about-u-s-dependency-on-china-for-medicine_3082132.html (https://www.theepochtimes.com/expert-warns-congress-about-u-s-dependency-on-china-for-medicine_3082132.html)
This has been ALL OVER THE NEWS.
I was honest and I said, maybe that means mainly simple drugs, aspirin, painkillers but the data is certainly there.
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Fox News:
America too dependent on China for its medicine, experts warn
By Bryan Llenas | Fox News
Experts are warning America has become too dependent on China for its medicine -- everything from painkillers, to antibiotics, and even aspirin can all be sourced back to a country the Department of Defense considers an adversary.
The Food and Drug Administration estimates that at least 80 percent of the active ingredients found in all of America's medicines come from abroad – primarily China.
"Imagine if China turned off that spigot," said Rosemary Gibson, author of "China RX: The Risks of America's Dependence on China for Medicine." "China's aim is to become the global pharmacy to the world -- it says that. It wants to disrupt, to dominate, and displace American and other Western companies."
https://www.foxnews.com/us/america-dependent-china-medicines (https://www.foxnews.com/us/america-dependent-china-medicines)
The articles are endless really.
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Unrelated, I see Cliff Kincaid has posted another editorial on this topic, tin foil or not, interesting reading:
Is the coronavirus China's revenge on Trump?
By Cliff Kincaid
March 4, 2020
In his 1968 non-fiction blockbuster, The Biological Time Bomb, Gordon Rattray Taylor wrote about the prospect of germ warfare in the context of "undeclared war." He explained, "In current thinking the best way to wage war is to wage it without your enemy even being aware that it is happening." He was predicting the use of infectious diseases to cripple a nation.
The current war, however, is out in the open.
Looking at the economic damage being inflicted on the United States and the world, one cannot dismiss the possibility that the rapidly-spreading coronavirus is China's revenge on America for President Trump's trade war. The virus has the potential impact to cause a major economic recession and sabotage President Trump's reelection effort. Health emergencies are being declared around the country as the number of coronavirus cases increase. The interest rate cut by the Federal Reserve is an indication of desperation.
Read more at: http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/kincaid/200304 (http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/kincaid/200304)
Seems possible if not plausible. Cliff links to that prior book, "Biological Time Bomb"... https://www.amazon.com/BIOLOGICAL-TIME-GORDON-RATTRAY-TAYLOR/dp/0500010463 (https://www.amazon.com/BIOLOGICAL-TIME-GORDON-RATTRAY-TAYLOR/dp/0500010463)
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They have massive test and mask shortages and have to also have shortages of all the antiviral drugs they use to treat this.
That report's claim is the Chinese virus is going to do major damage to the US if they cut off supplies used to fight it. China may well supply 80% of the base ingredients to many different drugs. But the list of drugs to fight this virus is short and the vast majority of those other drugs are not related to this fight. That short list of drugs has to already be fully consumed by Chinese demand.
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So... today I went to my local Jimmy John's to pick up a couple of subs for lunch. The lady ahead of me was taking her sweet time, then she went to get her drinks and started walking back towards me. I noticed she had on a mask; however, she had the mask across her mouth and chin and left her nose completely exposed ... is it me, or was the way she was wearing her mask completely useless??
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So... today I went to my local Jimmy John's to pick up a couple of subs for lunch. The lady ahead of me was taking her sweet time, then she went to get her drinks and started walking back towards me. I noticed she had on a mask; however, she had the mask across her mouth and chin and left her nose completely exposed ... is it me, or was the way she was wearing her mask completely useless??
Only a little more useless than wearing correctly. The virus is smaller than an N95 mask filters and those are the higher grade more expensive ones. Likely the only good a mask does is if the wearer is sick and coughing. That should reduce the risk to others.
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SXSW cancelled.
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SXSW cancelled.
From Austin TV station KXAN:
AUSTIN (KXAN) — On Friday, Austin Mayor Steve Adler, along with other city and county leaders announced that the 2020 South by Southwest festival would be canceled amid nationwide and local concerns over COVID-19, the virus caused by the Wuhan coronavirus.
Excerpted, full article here: https://www.kxan.com/news/coronavirus/city-county-leaders-to-give-updates-on-sxsw-other-spring-events-amid-covid-19-concerns/ (https://www.kxan.com/news/coronavirus/city-county-leaders-to-give-updates-on-sxsw-other-spring-events-amid-covid-19-concerns/)
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'Germ-fest' party preceded deadly nursing home outbreak
By BERNARD CONDON and CARLA K. JOHNSON, Associated Press 57 mins ago
KIRKLAND, Wash. (AP) — In the days before the Life Care Center nursing home became ground zero for coronavirus deaths in the U.S., there were few signs it was girding against an illness spreading rapidly around the world.
Visitors came in as they always did, sometimes without signing in. Staffers had only recently begun wearing face masks, but the frail residents and those who came to see them were not asked to do so. And organized events went on as planned, including a purple-and-gold-festooned Mardi Gras party last week, where dozens of residents and visitors packed into a common room, passed plates of sausage, rice and king cake, and sang as a Dixieland band played “When the Saints Go Marching In.â€
“We were all eating, drinking, singing and clapping to the music,†said Pat McCauley, who was there visiting a friend. “In hindsight, it was a real germ-fest.â€
That was just three days before last Saturday’s announcement that a Life Care health care worker in her 40s and a resident in her 70s had been diagnosed with the new virus. The news would be followed over the next few days by the first resident deaths: two men in their 70s, a woman in her 70s and a woman in her 80s.
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/health-news/germ-fest-party-preceded-deadly-nursing-home-outbreak/ar-BB10QNR2?ocid=spartanntp (https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/health-news/germ-fest-party-preceded-deadly-nursing-home-outbreak/ar-BB10QNR2?ocid=spartanntp)
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From Austin TV station KXAN:
AUSTIN (KXAN) — On Friday, Austin Mayor Steve Adler, along with other city and county leaders announced that the 2020 South by Southwest festival would be canceled amid nationwide and local concerns over COVID-19, the virus caused by the Wuhan coronavirus.
Excerpted, full article here: https://www.kxan.com/news/coronavirus/city-county-leaders-to-give-updates-on-sxsw-other-spring-events-amid-covid-19-concerns/ (https://www.kxan.com/news/coronavirus/city-county-leaders-to-give-updates-on-sxsw-other-spring-events-amid-covid-19-concerns/)
No doubt that the virus is the root cause....but the people pulling out of the event is an economic cause. jmho If not for that...
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Pence says 21 people on cruise ship off California tested positive for coronavirus
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/486394-pence-says-21-people-on-cruise-ship-off-california-have-coronavirus
Nineteen are crew members...this is how it has spread on the cruise and the previous cruise.
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Pence says 21 people on cruise ship off California tested positive for coronavirus
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/486394-pence-says-21-people-on-cruise-ship-off-california-have-coronavirus
Nineteen are crew members...this is how it has spread on the cruise and the previous cruise.
:thud:
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@TomSea
@Once-Ler
@mystery-ak
@musiclady
@roamer_1
I will tell you how a new virus emerges from China and spreads around the world - I wrote about this in my book, "Emergencies Happen! Be Prepared Now!".
I was in China and saw how it happens; not long after I got home, another new virus was in China and they did extensive research and found what I already knew due to seeing the possibility. They could have saved a lot of money if they had called me - I would have told them - wild birds/ducks/chickens/sickness/deaths.
I was in the Chinese countryside where solid white Pekin Ducks are raised. They live in the entire open countryside (not in pens or coops) - as far as you can see, it looks like snow covers the land. These ducks have free roam walking among the people. Went to an open market - the ducks were walking among us and there were dead ducks and dead chickens hanging up on wires for sale.
This is what happens and what their researchers found:
1. Wild diseased birds land on the ducks and spread the new virus to the ducks, where they, unknowingly,
2. infect chickens on farms as they mingle among the chickens.
3. The farmers kill their chickens for family food, handle the dead chickens, getting the virus all over the farmer cooks, who spread the virus to the family members,
4. who spread it to everyone with whom they come in contact so the virial disease infects others.
5. Someone infected travels by air, spreads it to passengers who spread it when they leave the plane, and continue to infect others in the country where they now are.
6. At the end of the research for this virus, they now know the ducks must be killed to stop the spread of the virus. They killed all ducks where disease was.
So, now, today, there is a new virus. Can't kill all wild birds, so, I believe thousands/to millions of Pekin Ducts are going to be killed again. It is also possible that mosquitoes bite the wild birds, carry the virus, and then bite Pekin Ducks.
Advice: If you fly to somewhere, do not use the first bathroom available when you get off the plane. People tend to go to the first one so they can have more privacy than on the plane and anyone sick is for sure going to that one and they will leave virus or bacteria in that bathroom. Wait until you get to another bathroom away from the first one. When you have finished using the potty, do not touch your face until after you wash your hands well with provided soap and water. After that, if you have a bottle or sheet of hand sanitizer, use it when out of the bathroom.
I can show you how it happens too. Watch the video.
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=bat+soup+china&view=detail&mid=A18FEC2AC048E3CC16F4A18FEC2AC048E3CC16F4&FORM=VIRE (https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=bat+soup+china&view=detail&mid=A18FEC2AC048E3CC16F4A18FEC2AC048E3CC16F4&FORM=VIRE)
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Drudge Report had this up and this is from "The Week",
China's coronavirus recovery is 'all fake,' whistleblowers and residents claim
Kathryn Krawczyk
2:13 p.m.
China's claims of how it's handling coronavirus recovery should be taken with more than a few grains of salt.
Even before COVID-19 became a global crisis, Chinese leaders had been criticized for their handling of the situation and lack of transparency about the disease's progression. Things now look like they're on the upswing, and businesses even appear to be headed back to work — but whistleblowers and local officials tell Caixan that's just a carefully crafted ruse.
Beijing has spent much of the outbreak pushing districts to carry on business as usual, with some local governments subsidizing electricity costs and even installing mandatory productivity quotas. Zhejiang, an province east of the epicenter city of Wuhan, claimed as of Feb. 24 it had restored 98.6 percent of its pre-coronavirus work capacity.
But civil servants tell Caixan that businesses are actually faking these numbers. Beijing had started checking Zhejiang businesses' electricity consumption levels, so district officials ordered the companies to start leaving their lights and machinery on all day to drive the numbers up, one civil servant said. Businesses have reportedly falsified staff attendance logs as well — they "would rather waste a small amount of money on power than irritate local officials," Caixan writes.
Read more at: https://theweek.com/speedreads/900488/chinas-coronavirus-recovery-all-fake-whistleblowers-residents-claim
Thank you @Victoria33 I will read all of that thoroughly.
We seem to really be in un-charted territory.
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These cleaners kill coronavirus: Lysol, Clorox, Purell products make EPA's disinfectants list
The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency has released a list of disinfectants to protect against the spread of the coronavirus.
According to the EPA, products on the list have "qualified for use against COVID-19" through the agency's Emerging Viral Pathogen program where manufacturers provide the EPA with data that "shows their products are effective against harder-to-kill viruses."
Coronaviruses are what are called enveloped viruses, "meaning they are one of the easiest types of viruses to kill with the appropriate disinfectant product," the EPA says.
“Using the correct disinfectant is an important part of preventing and reducing the spread of illnesses along with other critical aspects such as hand washing,†EPA administrator Andrew Wheeler said in a news release. “EPA is providing this important information in a public and transparent manner on disinfectant products to help reduce the spread of COVID-19.â€
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Drudge Report had this up and this is from "The Week",
Thank you @Victoria33 I will read all of that thoroughly.
We seem to really be in un-charted territory.
I like @Victoria33 quite a bit. I bought her book, and it's very good!
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No way would I fly or go on a cruise ship right now.
Should I cancel my flight? Will recirculated air on a plane spread coronavirus? Here’s what you need to know before traveling
Judi LiVigni was supposed to fly from New York to San Diego last week to visit her brother, who she usually sees only once a year. But the day of her flight, she chose to cancel her trip because of concerns regarding the coronavirus outbreak. LiVigni, a 51-year-old registered dietician who lives on Long Island, had planned a quick weekend getaway, but doubts were swirling in her mind as new cases of COVID-19 were being confirmed on the West Coast.
Before her flight, she headed to a pharmacy to pick up hand sanitizer and disinfecting wipes for her trip. She decided to ask the pharmacist for advice as to whether or not she should travel. “She tells me that she cancelled her upcoming flight, that’s all I needed to hear,†LiVigni said. “I decided I did not want to be strapped into a seat for six hours next to a potentially infected human.â€
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/should-i-cancel-my-flight-will-recirculated-air-on-a-plane-spread-coronavirus-heres-what-you-need-to-know-before-traveling-2020-03-06?mod=home-page (https://www.marketwatch.com/story/should-i-cancel-my-flight-will-recirculated-air-on-a-plane-spread-coronavirus-heres-what-you-need-to-know-before-traveling-2020-03-06?mod=home-page)
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https://www.nbcnews.com/better/lifestyle/how-avoid-falling-victim-coronavirus-phishing-email-attack-ncna1137941?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma (https://www.nbcnews.com/better/lifestyle/how-avoid-falling-victim-coronavirus-phishing-email-attack-ncna1137941?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma)
NBC Red Banner says Florida has announced 2 coronavirus deaths.
Also:
How to avoid falling victim to a coronavirus phishing email attack
Cybercrooks hope to exploit your fears with phishing emails designed to steal money, snag personal information and infect computers.
Feb. 18, 2020, 1:57 PM CST / Updated March 6, 2020, 2:27 PM CST
By Herb Weisbaum
If you got an email from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention or the World Health Organization about the coronavirus outbreak, would you read it? Maybe click on a link? Cybercriminals are counting on it.
The outbreak is a dream come true for criminals who will use it as basis for email attacks designed to snag personal information, steal money and infect computers with malware.
Malicious email linked to the coronavirus first appeared in early February, making it one of the first big phishing campaigns of the year.
Read more at: https://www.nbcnews.com/better/lifestyle/how-avoid-falling-victim-coronavirus-phishing-email-attack-ncna1137941?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma (https://www.nbcnews.com/better/lifestyle/how-avoid-falling-victim-coronavirus-phishing-email-attack-ncna1137941?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma)
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No way would I fly or go on a cruise ship right now.
Should I cancel my flight? Will recirculated air on a plane spread coronavirus? Here’s what you need to know before traveling
Judi LiVigni was supposed to fly from New York to San Diego last week to visit her brother, who she usually sees only once a year. But the day of her flight, she chose to cancel her trip because of concerns regarding the coronavirus outbreak. LiVigni, a 51-year-old registered dietician who lives on Long Island, had planned a quick weekend getaway, but doubts were swirling in her mind as new cases of COVID-19 were being confirmed on the West Coast.
Before her flight, she headed to a pharmacy to pick up hand sanitizer and disinfecting wipes for her trip. She decided to ask the pharmacist for advice as to whether or not she should travel. “She tells me that she cancelled her upcoming flight, that’s all I needed to hear,†LiVigni said. “I decided I did not want to be strapped into a seat for six hours next to a potentially infected human.â€
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/should-i-cancel-my-flight-will-recirculated-air-on-a-plane-spread-coronavirus-heres-what-you-need-to-know-before-traveling-2020-03-06?mod=home-page (https://www.marketwatch.com/story/should-i-cancel-my-flight-will-recirculated-air-on-a-plane-spread-coronavirus-heres-what-you-need-to-know-before-traveling-2020-03-06?mod=home-page)
Planes but the above must also apply to some extent to buses and trains, both which can really, really get crowded.
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Sea Level - Nothing Matters But The Fever
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEHvTCH_Ulg#)
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There are other factors that are in play here.
Death comes sweeping through the hallway, like a lady's dress
Death comes driving down the highway, in it's Sunday best
A fire of unknown origin took my baby away
A fire of unknown origin took my baby away
Swept to ruin off my wavelength, swallowed her up
Like the ocean in a fire, so thick and gray Blue Oyster Cult
You are all very aware of the swine flu that is ravaging the planet. China consumes + - 50% of the world's pork. The Chicoms handled that very well. Look it up.
The Alaskan cod fishery season for 2020 has been closed due to the Big Wobble...ocean temps up there... (get your fish NOW, let the chips fall where they lay...until the mushrooms glow)
There is a third icebreaker heading to free icebreakers somewhere over by where the Russians save climate extremeists from climate extemism.
The biggest explosion ever recorded (by 'modern') in the universe has hit us.
Studying the Heisenburg (uncertainty), AI. (uncertainty) and The Squad (yeah, if i was the last sperm donor on earth and they were the last recips...effit by not). The Quibit...(industrialized bisect AI), Higgs-mate-bosun
5G
Enough of one can make it a zero. Or not. The cloned cat is dead. But how can a clone ever die? Enough in the gender code that it comes or it goes.
Paper or plastic.
uh huh
Thank you all. The more insane you become makes my insanity normal. Really. To the Rock.
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But is Schrödinger's cat 'really dead' @bigheadfred :shrug:
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Just For Kids: A Comic Exploring The New Coronavirus
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/02/28/809580453/just-for-kids-a-comic-exploring-the-new-coronavirus?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews (https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/02/28/809580453/just-for-kids-a-comic-exploring-the-new-coronavirus?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews)
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But is Schrödinger's cat 'really dead' @bigheadfred :shrug:
That is the meaning of my post. I am rock solid. I haven't changed since I understood the Word.
@t the core. BE
The forces unseen are greater.
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HIV.
I posted the data.
Do any of you know what HIV is? Acquired Immunodeficiency Syndrome.
This virus isn't influenza. It is a genetically enhanced Novel Coronavirus with HIV insertions.
So much information. So much misinterpretation. Etc.
Here is my main point. The question of the incubation period and mutation--reinfection. This virus seems to kill more people in that category of immune-deficient. In the simplest terms say I contract covid, but I am only 20 years old. I feel like I have the flu, but I get over it. In the meantime, I go visit my grandparents, and they later die of covid. I go to their funeral. I am around other people who have the flu. I contract the flu. In that immune distressed state I 'get' pneumonia (covid) which I don't have enough immunity too, yet, and die of complications related to the flu.
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Nancy’s Fight 4 Freedom TEXT TRUMP 88022
@FIGHT_2_KAG
What Tucker doesn’t mention here is China
owns most of the natural resources in Africa that hold the ingredients for many of these vital medications.
BRING OUR MANUFACTURING HOME
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#CONVID19 #CoronavirusUSA #COVIDー19 #Coronavirus
‘As of tonight more than 95% of ALL the antibiotics in America are manufactured in communist China. 95%!
Our chief, global rival has a TOTAL MONOPOLY on the most important medicine in the world.’ @TuckerCarlson
#WakeUpAmerica
https://twitter.com/FIGHT_2_KAG/status/1236163538332217344
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HIV.
I posted the data.
Do any of you know what HIV is? Acquired Immunodeficiency Syndrome.
This virus isn't influenza. It is a genetically enhanced Novel Coronavirus with HIV insertions.
So much information. So much misinterpretation. Etc.
Here is my main point. The question of the incubation period and mutation--reinfection. This virus seems to kill more people in that category of immune-deficient. In the simplest terms say I contract covid, but I am only 20 years old. I feel like I have the flu, but I get over it. In the meantime, I go visit my grandparents, and they later die of covid. I go to their funeral. I am around other people who have the flu. I contract the flu. In that immune distressed state I 'get' pneumonia (covid) which I don't have enough immunity too, yet, and die of complications related to the flu.
I've seen reports of the incubation period from 14-24 days and possible reinfection. Who knows as there are conflicting reports out there. What we do know is that this is an additional illness that we need to deal with that is easily spread much like the flu but with a higher mortality rate.
China played a very dangerous game by downplaying this virus and not reporting accurate stats. The rest of the world is now going to pay the price.
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White House economic adviser Larry Kudlow claims coronavirus is 'contained,' says Americans should 'stay at work'
March 6, 2020
President Trump's economic adviser Larry Kudlow is continuing to claim the COVID-19 coronavirus is "contained" as the number of cases in the United States passes 230 across 21 states.
Kudlow in an interview with CNBC on Friday said he will "argue" the new virus has been "contained" in the U.S., repeating the assertion he made last week as the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention was warning that the new virus could soon severely disrupt everyday life.
"We don't actually know what the magnitude of the virus is going to be, although frankly, so far, it looks relatively contained," Kudlow told CNBC on Friday. "The vast majority of Americans are not at risk of this virus."
Kudlow also said "America should stay at work," arguing that the private sector is "going to solve this disease" and again reiterating, "I will still argue to you that this is contained. It can't be airtight, but ... in a relative sense, relative to our population, relative to ordinary flus ... I think it is relatively contained.
Read more at: https://theweek.com/speedreads/900423/white-house-economic-adviser-larry-kudlow-claims-coronavirus-contained-says-americans-should-stay-work
Remember this past week where Trump said something like "go to work" about this, it sounds a bit like he was listening to Kudlow.
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I've seen reports of the incubation period from 14-24 days and possible reinfection. Who knows as there are conflicting reports out there. What we do know is that this is an additional illness that we need to deal with that is easily spread much like the flu but with a higher mortality rate.
China played a very dangerous game by downplaying this virus and not reporting accurate stats. The rest of the world is now going to pay the price.
China is engaging in full on revisionism now. There are essays all over the state run news agencies not only declaring they're Corona Virus free, but claiming the disease is now being re-introduced into China because of the ineptitude of OTHER countries in not doing as great a job as they have in containing it. China the victim.
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Major General Chen Wei:
(https://americaoutloud.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/9b09e6c6-5ce7-11ea-be3e-43af5536d789_image_hires_084231.jpg)
Who is Chen Wei? Top Chinese epidemiologist from Wuhan lab injects untested coronavirus vaccine to prove loyalty to PLA
Johnlee Varghese
Chen Wei, a leading Chinese epidemiologist and a major-general in China's People's Liberation Army, has created quite a stir on Weibo by her radical approach.
Major General Wei it is reported that injected herself and her six-member team with an untested coronavirus vaccine, which many on the Internet see as a move to prove loyalty to the People's Liberation Army.
The research team led by Major General Chen Wei, who is a veteran in fighting SARS and Ebola achieved a major breakthrough in developing a vaccine to fight the novel coronavirus (COVID-19), the Chinese state media reported on Tuesday.
Read more at: https://sg.news.yahoo.com/meet-major-general-china-coronavirus-151905601.html (https://sg.news.yahoo.com/meet-major-general-china-coronavirus-151905601.html)
More here too: https://www.ibtimes.sg/who-chen-wei-top-chinese-epidemiologist-wuhan-lab-injects-untested-coronavirus-vaccine-prove-40468 (https://www.ibtimes.sg/who-chen-wei-top-chinese-epidemiologist-wuhan-lab-injects-untested-coronavirus-vaccine-prove-40468)
https://americaoutloud.com/chen-wei-a-major-general-of-the-peoples-liberation-army-is-at-the-center-of-the-storm/ (https://americaoutloud.com/chen-wei-a-major-general-of-the-peoples-liberation-army-is-at-the-center-of-the-storm/) <--- Website, "America Out Loud", I think it is a conservative website. I didn't get much out of this article but it seems they really do have a bunch of "experts" there.
I think the virus looks very suspicious. I'm certainly not endorsing this point of view, just posting:
U.S.-Chinese Distrust Is Inviting Dangerous Coronavirus Conspiracy Theories
Yanzhong Huang
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From the beginning of the outbreak, the public was informed that the disease originated with human exposure to a virus carried by wild animals. But the suddenness and mystery of the bug’s appearance left fertile ground for speculation, and soon enough, online sources began to advance the claim that the virus was genetically engineered. An unpublished paper authored by Indian scientists seemed to bolster this notion by suggesting that the virus’s protein sequence included elements of HIV, the virus that causes AIDS. Although the authors soon voluntarily withdrew the paper, the proposed linkage caught the attention of websites such as Zero Hedge, which claimed that the novel coronavirus was weaponized by Chinese scientists. Speaking on Fox News, Tom Cotton, the Republican senator from Arkansas, suggested that it could not be ruled out that the virus originated in a lab in Wuhan that is used to handle the most dangerous pathogens.
Zero Hedge has been barred from Twitter, but Chinese social media abounds with conjecture that the virus was engineered by the United States as an agent of biological warfare against China. One widely shared conspiracy theory suggests that American soldiers participating in the 2019 Military World Games in Wuhan deliberately shed the virus at the Hunan Seafood Market. Contending that “a new type of biological warfare is coming,†a retired People’s Liberation Army general called for building a permanent biodefense force in China.
The suddenness and mystery of the bug’s appearance left fertile ground for speculation.
More at: https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/united-states/2020-03-05/us-chinese-distrust-inviting-dangerous-coronavirus-conspiracy (https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/united-states/2020-03-05/us-chinese-distrust-inviting-dangerous-coronavirus-conspiracy)
Somewhere too, yes, I think I saw the US being blamed which would be ridiculous. Blaming China? That's a bit different. So, I'm posting this.
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Leader of Italian Democratic party has coronavirus
Nicola Zingaretti is first leading Italian politician to test positive for the virus
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/07/italy-democratic-leader-nicola-zingaretti-coronavirus (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/07/italy-democratic-leader-nicola-zingaretti-coronavirus)
Poor Italy, they are really being hit by this, approaching 200 deaths.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-51777049 (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-51777049)
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Poor Italy, they are really being hit by this, approaching 200 deaths.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-51777049 (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-51777049)
Not sure of this guy's political leaning, but he provided a very positive common sense statement to the country.
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The Foreign Affairs essay you linked does seem to implicate poor Chinese 'biosecurity' as the culprit.
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Holy Cow!
Police-Enforced Quarantine Hits California Neighborhood – Residents Ordered to Stay Inside Due to Coronavirus
Jim Hoft by Jim Hoft March 7, 2020
(https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/sacramento-police-600x338.jpg)
Flickr photo
Sacramento police ordered all residents in a California neighborhood to stay inside on Thursday due to a coronavirus death in the area.
The local health department issued a statement after the police presence in the area.
This is a frightening development.
More: https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/03/police-enforced-quarantine-hits-california-neighborhood-residents-ordered-to-stay-inside-due-to-coronavirus/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/03/police-enforced-quarantine-hits-california-neighborhood-residents-ordered-to-stay-inside-due-to-coronavirus/)
I had not heard anything about this.
My quick analysis would be that California has so many millions living there.
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The Foreign Affairs essay you linked does seem to implicate poor Chinese 'biosecurity' as the culprit.
From that link:
Since coronaviruses are zoonotic, which is to say that they jump from animals to humans, scientists believe that they have an animal origin. Most agree that bats are the natural reservoir host for the virus, although snakes for a time were also suspected. Scientists conjecture that pangolins—widely considered a delicacy in China—may be the intermediate host to pass the novel virus to humans. Overall, they are inclined to view the outbreak as a problem of zoonotic infection transmitted from wild animals to humans. While the virus was indeed found in people associated with a wet market (where live animals were sold and slaughtered) as well as in the market environment, some of the early cases were in people who had not visited the market, suggesting that the jumping of species may have occurred elsewhere or earlier.
Another, less supported hypothesis views the outbreak as the result of a biosafety accident in which the coronavirus leaked out from a lab where scientists failed to follow proper decontamination protocol. Supporters of this theory point to the seemingly overwhelming circumstantial evidence that connects the outbreak to the Wuhan Institute of Virology, which also houses China’s only biosafety level 4 (BSL-4) lab, the highest level of biosafety precautions. They noted that Dr. Shi Zhengli, a researcher in the lab who has acquired the nickname “Batwoman,†has been actively hunting down the coronavirus and proving that bats are natural reservoirs for SARS-like coronaviruses. Shi has flatly denied that the institute was the source of the novel coronavirus, which she said was rather “nature punishing the human race for keeping uncivilized living habits.â€
Other Chinese social media posts focused on the credentials of the director general of the institute, Wang Yanyi. A widely shared post allegedly written by Rao Yi, a leading Chinese biologist, said Wang had a weak academic background and ascended to her current post through nepotism. On February 17, one post accused Wang of flouting the biosafety rules and selling laboratory animals to wet markets for profit. Another study, conducted by the South China University of Technology, concluded that the coronavirus “probably†originated in the Wuhan Center for Disease Control and Prevention, which is just 280 meters away from the Hunan Seafood Market. The study mentioned that bats linked to coronavirus once attacked a researcher, who had to be self-quarantined because “blood of a bat shot on his skin.†The paper was later removed from ResearchGate, a commercial social-networking site for scientists and researchers to share papers. Thus far, no scientists have confirmed or refuted the paper’s findings.
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Man drinking blood from a bat (China of course)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dTmPgJas2s
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I posted two article links up thread about the origin of this virus.
Maybe I posted this here or on a related thread. There is an actual swine virus that is killing over 50% of the world's pigs.
I looked at the "pork bellies" futures. The U.S. pork market is strong. Reactioned to the demise of pigs. China consumes around 50% of the entire planet's pork production. And the U.S. cod fishery season is closed for 2020. OH MY COD!
China's approach to this swine flu was FUMTU, even for them. China's Communist Party will gladly eliminate all those pesky peasants. WORLDWIDE.
I buy meats in bulk. Chicken breasts, full pork loins, ground beef., etc. I 'always' have around six months of supply of staple foods. Dry items, beans, rice, flour...2 years. Yeah. That is the Mormon in me.
I gotta go.
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I posted two article links up thread about the origin of this virus.
Maybe I posted this here or on a related thread. There is an actual swine virus that is killing over 50% of the world's pigs.
I looked at the "pork bellies" futures. The U.S. pork market is strong. Reactioned to the demise of pigs. China consumes around 50% of the entire planet's pork production. And the U.S. cod fishery season is closed for 2020. OH MY COD!
China's approach to this swine flu was FUMTU, even for them. China's Communist Party will gladly eliminate all those pesky peasants. WORLDWIDE.
I buy meats in bulk. Chicken breasts, full pork loins, ground beef., etc. I 'always' have around six months of supply of staple foods. Dry items, beans, rice, flour...2 years. Yeah. That is the Mormon in me.
I gotta go.
This is all very relevant, in fact, when this flu first started, I'd heard about the swine flu so, I thought what we were seeing was related to that. NO. And the very first post is about the swine flu.
About a quarter of all pigs in the world were knocked out with the swine flu, one woman flew into O'Hare airport with a ham sandwich from China and it was confiscated.
Disease that killed millions of China's pigs poses global threat
Tom Polansek
CHICAGO (Reuters) - Bettie the beagle, a detector dog for U.S. Customs and Border Protection, picked up the scent of pork on a woman arriving from China at Chicago’s O’Hare International Airport.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-swinefever-disease-insight/disease-that-killed-millions-of-chinas-pigs-poses-global-threat-idUSKBN1ZF1FP (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-swinefever-disease-insight/disease-that-killed-millions-of-chinas-pigs-poses-global-threat-idUSKBN1ZF1FP)
So, however, this thing is really rolling.
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Costco's free food samples are being pulled from some of its stores as coronavirus worries grow
Mary Hanbury Mar 6, 2020, 6:28 AM
https://www.businessinsider.com/costco-pulls-free-samples-from-certain-stores-amid-coronavirus-panic-2020-3 (https://www.businessinsider.com/costco-pulls-free-samples-from-certain-stores-amid-coronavirus-panic-2020-3)
Okay, "some" stores, not all. Still. And for the record, they are talking mainly about the West coast.
For the most part, right now, I am a bit weary of getting prepared food from say some of the chain restaurants. That seems a way this could spread without naming any particular one. Probably all of them.
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Coronavirus live updates: New York declares emergency; Italy to lock down Milan area
3:52 pm: Italy to lock down Lombardy and 11 provinces
The Italian government plans to lock down travel in and out of hard-hit Lombardy due to the coronavirus, according to a draft decree. Lombardy is a region of 10 million in northern Italy which is home to Milan, the nation’s financial hub.
The Italian government also plans travel lockdowns in 11 provinces, including Modena, Parma, Piacenza, Reggio nell’Emilia, Rimini, Pesaro and Urbino, Venice, Padua, Treviso, Asti and Alessandria.
According to the draft decree, people should “absolutely avoid†travel to these areas except in emergency situations.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/07/coronavirus-live-updates-pope-cancels-large-public-appearances-as-cases-surge-in-europe.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/07/coronavirus-live-updates-pope-cancels-large-public-appearances-as-cases-surge-in-europe.html)
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Cuomo declares state of emergency in New York as state coronavirus cases soar to 76
Gov. Cuomo declared a state of emergency Saturday to deal with the worsening coronavirus crisis, as the number of cases jumped to 11 in the Big Apple — including a Queens cab driver — and 76 across New York.
Saturday’s numbers more than doubled the cases in the city, which stood at five on Friday, the governor said at a noon press conference. There were 21 new cases outside the city, from 44 the day before, he said.
“We are testing aggressively, said Cuomo. “The more positives you find, the better.â€
https://nypost.com/2020/03/07/cuomo-declares-state-of-emergency-as-new-york-state-coronavirus-cases-soar-to-76/
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I do hope the Virus has an silver lininng..
1. American companies go elsewhere besides China to do their business (or even come back).
2. This could be the downfall of the Mullahs (It is worse in Iran than what is being reported).
3. This could be the downfall of the CCP, I hope.
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I do hope the Virus has an silver lininng..
1. American companies go elsewhere besides China to do their business (or even come back).
2. This could be the downfall of the Mullahs (It is worse in Iran than what is being reported).
3. This could be the downfall of the CCP, I hope.
Anyone else noticing the MSM is downplaying and outright not listiing the "age" distributuion of the deaths of COV19 data thus far?
Doesnt fit the narrative of the anti-Trump hysteria being created.
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Garrett Love
@Garrett_Love
Coronavirus data from Italy reported to WHO. Risk of dying by age group if infected:
80+ yrs old - 14.8%
70-79 yrs old - 8.0%
60-69 yrs old - 3.6%
50-59 yrs old - 1.3%
40-49 yrs old - 0.4%
30-39 yrs old - 0.2%
20-29 yrs old - 0.2%
10-19 yrs old - 0.2%
0-9 yrs old - no fatalities
3:34 PM · Mar 7, 2020·Twitter for iPhone
https://twitter.com/Garrett_Love/status/1236404800662777857
80+, almost a 15% chance of dying if you contract it but that still would mean having about an 85% chance of surviving. :pondering:
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Anyone else noticing the MSM is downplaying and outright not listiing the "age" distributuion of the deaths of COV19 data thus far?
Doesnt fit the narrative of the anti-Trump hysteria being created.
I noticed that.
I'm worried about my parents. My dad will be 80 this year and my mom will be 77.
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CPAC attendee tests positive for coronavirus
by Anthony Leonardi
March 07, 2020 05:41 PM
Updated Mar 07, 2020, 06:04 PM
At least one attendee at the 2020 Conservative Political Action Conference tested positive for the new coronavirus late last month.
The American Conservative Union announced that one of the attendees to its annual conference, which attracted 19,000 people in 2019 and roughly the same amount this year, contracted the COVID-19 virus prior to the event in National Harbor, Maryland, thus exposing others to the disease.
"The American Conservative Union has learned that one of our CPAC attendees has unfortunately tested positive today for coronavirus. The exposure occurred previous to the conference. A New Jersey hospital tested the person, and CDC confirmed the positive result," the ACU said in a statement Saturday. "The individual is under the care of medical professionals in the state of New Jersey, and has been quarantined. "
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https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/cpac-attendee-tests-positive-for-coronavirus (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/cpac-attendee-tests-positive-for-coronavirus)
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My wife is Facebook friends with a former work associate. The lady lives in Harbin, China and works for a non-profit to rescue/adopt dogs, so they are not dinner.
Periodically they bring a group of dogs, to Canada and USA.
Bottom line:
1. They communicate on FB, with no apparent tampering or censorship.
2. The people/dogs have been "quarantined for 5 weeks, now.
3. It is not clear beyond that, since China's visa procedures, might make it difficult for them to go, return, multiple times. So it seems, for now, they remain, so as not to compromise their mission.
IOW if they leave, they might not easily get back in.
etc.
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California man had coronavirus before he boarded Grand Princess, cruise ship official says
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-03-07/spread-of-coronavirus-on-grand-princess-ship-raises-public-health-alarms (https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-03-07/spread-of-coronavirus-on-grand-princess-ship-raises-public-health-alarms)
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80+, almost a 15% chance of dying if you contract it but that still would mean having about an 85% chance of surviving. :pondering:
What is the survival rate for 80-year-olds with influenza?
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80+, almost a 15% chance of dying if you contract it but that still would mean having about an 85% chance of surviving. :pondering:
This is actually pretty consistent with the data coming from China.
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Jerusalem Post Middle East
Iranian official involved in US hostage crisis dies of coronavirus
The speaker of the parliament claimed that the former ambassador was recovering from the infection the day before his death.
By ZACHARY KEYSER MARCH 7, 2020
Former Iranian ambassador to Syria Hossein Sheikholeslam, 68, died on Thursday after contracting coronavirus earlier in the week, according to Radio Farda.
Sheikholeslam tested positive for the virus two days prior and was taken to a local hospital in Tehran where all infected Iranian officials are currently being treated. It is reported that 8% of Iranian members of parliament are infected with the disease.
Read more at: https://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Iranian-official-involved-in-US-embassy-hostage-crisis-dies-of-coronavirus-620032 (https://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Iranian-official-involved-in-US-embassy-hostage-crisis-dies-of-coronavirus-620032)
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What is the survival rate for 80-year-olds with influenza?
(https://i.insider.com/5e5fc740fee23d14eb3dd212?width=700&format=jpeg&auto=webp)
This won't tell you exactly since the last demographic for flu is >65, but from what I remember the >80 age Mortality is I think somewhere between 1.5-2%
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I noticed that.
I'm worried about my parents. My dad will be 80 this year and my mom will be 77.
Worried just a tad myself, I am over 60. We are curtailing our outside contact, shopping late a night at Walmart for supplies, with a pocket full of clorox wipes in tow. I know the fatality risk is pretty low, but no need to take unnecssary risks.
OTOH, based on what I am seeing, if I was 25, the only precaution I'd be taking is making sure I didn't infect anyone else.
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This is an absurd thing to say when the MSM has America even more paranoid about this $hit.
Trump says campaign rallies won't stop over coronavirus fears
by Rob Crilly
March 07, 2020 08:48 PM
PALM BEACH, Florida — President Trump said he had no plans to scale back his campaign rallies and was not concerned about the new coronavirus reaching Washington, D.C.
Speaking to reporters at Mar-a-Lago, ahead of a working dinner with Brazilian President Jair Bolsanaro, he was asked whether the emergence of a case at last month's Conservative Political Action Conference would force him to change his mind on holding big campaign events.
"We'll hold tremendous rallies," he said.
Earlier, it emerged that a D.C. man in his 50s had been hospitalized with COVID-19, the disease caused by the SARS-CoV-2 virus, but Trump said he was not worried about the disease's proximity to the White House.
“I’m not concerned at all,†he said.
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https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/trump-says-campaign-rallies-wont-stop-over-coronavirus-fears (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/trump-says-campaign-rallies-wont-stop-over-coronavirus-fears)
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I'm not sure what to make of that, @corbe. I should think he'll be walking that one back a bit.
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Maybe he and Pence know something were not privy to.
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I'd hate to give up smoking at this late juncture of my life, I thought if I just continued to stay away from Trump Ralleys I'd be safe enough.
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I'd hate to give up smoking at this late juncture of my life, I thought if I just continued to stay away from Trump Ralleys I'd be safe enough.
If COVID-19 doesn't get you, Antifa will with a baseball bat.
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FDNY issues order pulling back firefighters from calls describing coronavirus symptoms; says it is prioritizing responses
By Ginger Adams Otis, New York Daily News 2 hrs ago
A department order issued Friday says 911 calls for asthma attacks, fever, coughs and difficult breathing will be handled by the Emergency Medical Service.
Fire companies with certified first responder training that would normally accompany ambulances are being to stand down, the order said.
“Effective immediately, the following call types will temporarily not receive a CFR response,†states paperwork obtained by The News.
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/fdny-issues-order-pulling-back-firefighters-from-calls-describing-coronavirus-symptoms-says-it-is-prioritizing-responses/ar-BB10SSHT?ocid=spartanntp (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/fdny-issues-order-pulling-back-firefighters-from-calls-describing-coronavirus-symptoms-says-it-is-prioritizing-responses/ar-BB10SSHT?ocid=spartanntp)
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Italy Locks Down the Country’s North to Fight Coronavirus
MILAN—The Italian government is locking down 17 million people—more than a quarter of its population—including in Milan, the surrounding Lombardy region and 14 neighboring provinces, in the most sweeping steps any European country has prepared to take against the coronavirus epidemic.
A decree from the Italian Prime Minister’s office says people living in Lombardy, where Milan is the capital, and the named provinces in Lombardy’s nearby regions must “absolutely avoid any movement into and out of the areas.â€
Police, emergency services and if needed the army will be available to enforce the quarantine. People violating the lockdown can be punished with a fine or jail terms, according to the draft decree.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/italy-plans-large-scale-lockdown-in-countrys-north-to-fight-coronavirus-11583613874 (https://www.wsj.com/articles/italy-plans-large-scale-lockdown-in-countrys-north-to-fight-coronavirus-11583613874)
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Italy Locks Down the Country’s North to Fight Coronavirus
MILAN—The Italian government is locking down 17 million people—more than a quarter of its population—including in Milan, the surrounding Lombardy region and 14 neighboring provinces, in the most sweeping steps any European country has prepared to take against the coronavirus epidemic.
A decree from the Italian Prime Minister’s office says people living in Lombardy, where Milan is the capital, and the named provinces in Lombardy’s nearby regions must “absolutely avoid any movement into and out of the areas.â€
Police, emergency services and if needed the army will be available to enforce the quarantine. People violating the lockdown can be punished with a fine or jail terms, according to the draft decree.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/italy-plans-large-scale-lockdown-in-countrys-north-to-fight-coronavirus-11583613874 (https://www.wsj.com/articles/italy-plans-large-scale-lockdown-in-countrys-north-to-fight-coronavirus-11583613874)
S**t just got real. My phone just woke me up with sirens over this story.
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Excerpt, interview. US Scientist Clifford Lane interviewed:
Quarantined at home now, U.S. scientist describes his visit to China’s hot zone
By Jon Cohen Mar. 6, 2020 , 1:00 PM
National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases
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Q: What was eye opening to you on the trip?
A: I’d never been to China. I was really surprised with how modern the cities were, and how high technology was in many of the places we visited. The briefing rooms at China’s CDC [Center for Disease Control and Prevention] with these multipanel screens and multiple displays of data was quite impressive. And cities with 15 million people, that’s like, no big deal.
Q: What about the epidemic response itself?
A: There was a completely unified perspective of how this virus was the enemy, and we were launching an attack and we’re going to defeat it. I heard it from the governor of Guangdong province and then we would go to a market, and a community center, and they would be telling us the same thing. And [health officials] were rapidly evolving their approaches. They were on, like, version six of their guidelines for treatment, and that was impressive to me that they were moving that quickly. They were also aggressive in their intensive care, using ECMO [extracorporeal membrane oxygenation, a method that artificially oxygenates blood for a limited period] and people were surviving. If you could maintain someone long enough—I’m just guessing now—for their immune system to grab hold and eliminate the viruses, the people would survive. [According to the Extracorporeal Life Support Organization, 250 facilities in the United States that perform ECMO are on the global registry, but many unregistered centers in the country do have the equipment and occasionally perform it.]
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Q: Could the United States lockdown Washington, D.C., for this virus?
See interview at: https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/03/quarantined-scientist-reveals-what-it-s-be-china-s-hot-zone (https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/03/quarantined-scientist-reveals-what-it-s-be-china-s-hot-zone)
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She came in from Northern Italy.
I Just Got Back From Coronavirus Hot Zone, and No One at JFK Seemed to Notice
I breezed right through security, faster than any other time I can remember.
by Julia Lindau
Mar 6 2020
NEW YORK — When I arrived at New York’s JFK Airport on Thursday after spending a few days outside a coronavirus hot zone in Italy, I was expecting a shakedown: a temperature check at customs and some questions about where exactly in the region I’d been and if I had come into contact with any sick people during my stay.
Instead, I breezed right through security, faster than any other time I can remember.
The lack of precautions was jarring considering where I’d just been. I had been on a reporting trip to the Lombardy region of Italy, the epicenter of that country's coronavirus outbreak. According to the Italian government, of the 4,636 people in the country who’ve contracted the virus, around half got it in Lombardy. And while I didn't go inside the exclusion zone, or in any way come in contact with anyone exposed, the mere fact that I'd been to Lombardy should have raised a red flag.
Read more at: https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/akwyna/i-just-got-back-from-a-coronavirus-hot-zone-and-no-one-at-jfk-seemed-to-notice (https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/akwyna/i-just-got-back-from-a-coronavirus-hot-zone-and-no-one-at-jfk-seemed-to-notice)
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Mike
@Doranimated
Here is a list of senior Iranian officials infected with the Coronavirus. It is by no means complete.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ESk0_qOWAAA8GGC?format=jpg&name=900x900)
https://twitter.com/Doranimated/status/1236577845616443392
Mike
@Doranimated
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7h
Remember this when apologists for the Islamic Republic claim that US sanctions prevent effective action against the Coronavirus. Sanctions don’t stop medical aid from getting into the country. But the corrupt Iranian authorities hijack the aid and sell it to enrich themselves.
See tweet: https://twitter.com/Doranimated/status/1236505167392051201
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No kidding, the article mentions yoga, some yoga is in a hot studio so you do sweat more. That can have it's drawbacks.
Gyms and Coronavirus: What Are the Risks?
Sweat cannot transmit the virus but high-contact surfaces, such as barbells, can pose a problem, a doctor said.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/08/health/coronavirus-gyms-safety.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/08/health/coronavirus-gyms-safety.html)
Gyms, health clubs are good places. I think they are worse in the winter for picking up germs. The article doesn't even mention steam rooms. Or even saunas. I haven't been lately. We will see if this straightens itself out.
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I’m kinda sad and scared. They have someone in my county now that’s hospitalized that might have it.
The media announced this last night. People will be going crazy at the stores today.
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The cat is well out of the bag. The only thing to do is be careful and prepare for it.
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Italy Imposes China-style Quarantine on 16m People In Attempt to Contain Coronavirus
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/03/08/italy-imposes-china-style-quarantine-on-16m-people-in-attempt-to-contain-coronavirus/ (https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/03/08/italy-imposes-china-style-quarantine-on-16m-people-in-attempt-to-contain-coronavirus/)
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Italy Imposes China-style Quarantine on 16m People In Attempt to Contain Coronavirus
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/03/08/italy-imposes-china-style-quarantine-on-16m-people-in-attempt-to-contain-coronavirus/ (https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/03/08/italy-imposes-china-style-quarantine-on-16m-people-in-attempt-to-contain-coronavirus/)
This is a big deal.
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I’m kinda sad and scared. They have someone in my county now that’s hospitalized that might have it.
The media announced this last night. People will be going crazy at the stores today.
Well, I am not scared but concerned. Two people in the county that I reside in have tested positive for the corona; one has died, the other has been hospitalized -- so the death toll in my country right now is 50%. Two counties north of here, have 3 confirmed cases and several quarantined.
The flu has hit this area hard and now with this additional virus in my county, I am not going out unless absolutely necessary. We prepped a long time ago with food and paper goods, I went out when cases of coronavirus were reported in the U.S and bought extra Clorox wipes, Clorox and hand sanitizer.
Unfortunately, we had out of town guests this weekend and previous weekend from several different parts of the country -- I washed the counters down, sanitized and cleaned the bathroom and sanitized all the door knobs when they left. Two family members from different states were coughing, congested and had a runny nose. They claimed it was allergies. Really? Thanks. That's all we need. Both hubby and I aren't in the best health.
Hello people -- if you are sick, under the weather, not feeling well, allergies or not (how do you actually know?), PLEASE. PLEASE stay home and don't risk infecting the rest of us!!!
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I’m kinda sad and scared. They have someone in my county now that’s hospitalized that might have it.
The media announced this last night. People will be going crazy at the stores today.
Hell I got 32 in mine.
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Hell I got 32 in mine.
Yikes.
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This is a big deal.
16M people under quarantine is a big deal -- I hope that they extend the duration of the quarantine to be on the safe side to 24 days instead of the usual 14. People have become symptomatic beyond the 14 day period.
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16M people under quarantine is a big deal -- I hope that they extend the duration of the quarantine to be on the safe side to 24 days instead of the usual 14. People have become symptomatic beyond the 14 day period.
Those people have to get food, medicines and basic supplies. How is that done when everything is shut down for so long?
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Those people have to get food, medicines and basic supplies. How is that done when everything is shut down for so long?
True. I would strongly encourage everyone to at minimum get a two week supply of food -- the time is NOW. Unfortunately the risk has already increased, the best time would have been to get prepared when the virus first started infecting people outside of China and the 1st U.S. case was reported.
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“It’s the most daunting virus that we’ve contended with in half a century or more,†Michael Mina, an epidemiologist at Harvard’s T.H. Chan School of Public Health, said at a panel discussion Friday at Harvard’s Kennedy School of Government.
https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/07/harvard-forum-experts-warn-most-daunting-virus-in-50-years/ (https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/07/harvard-forum-experts-warn-most-daunting-virus-in-50-years/)
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This virus is now in my area. **nononono* 278 people in FL are currently being monitored. Looks like Florida even with their very warm temperatures seems to have the potential right now for significantly more cases than the rest of the U.S.
Florida announces 2 coronavirus deaths, 7 new cases in 24 hours
......As of 3:30 p.m. Saturday, Florida authorities said eight people in the state have tested positive for COVID-19 -- seven are Florida residents and the eighth is a non-resident. Earlier in the week Gov. Ron Desantis said five Florida residents who had been traveling in China have also been quarantined outside the state after testing positive for the virus.
Florida residents currently in the state have tested positive for COVID-19, according to the Health Department, with 88 tests still pending. Another 278 people in the state are being monitored for the virus.................
https://www.news4jax.com/health/2020/03/07/department-of-health-2-florida-deaths-linked-to-coronavirus/ (https://www.news4jax.com/health/2020/03/07/department-of-health-2-florida-deaths-linked-to-coronavirus/)
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IMHO, this should be a no brainer right now.
State Department: Amid coronavirus risk, Americans 'should not travel by cruise ship'
The State Department is warning all Americans, and not just the sick, to avoid getting on cruise ships in the wake of the coronavirus risk.
The department wrote in a tweet: "U.S. citizens, especially with underlying conditions, should not travel by cruise ship. #CDC notes increased risk of #COVID19 on cruises. Many countries have implemented screening procedures, denied port entry rights to ships and prevented disembarking."
As coronavirus concerns have sparked various problems among cruise ships, one company has been offering incentives for travelers to continue taking their voyages.......
https://www.foxnews.com/health/coronavirus-state-department-cruise-ships-no-travel (https://www.foxnews.com/health/coronavirus-state-department-cruise-ships-no-travel)
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True. I would strongly encourage everyone to at minimum get a two week supply of food -- the time is NOW. Unfortunately the risk has already increased, the best time would have been to get prepared when the virus first started infecting people outside of China and the 1st U.S. case was reported.
I spent thirty years preparing for a crisis with water, dry food, etc. Last dec we moved to a new town and have been renting a tiny cottage pending finding a new home. No supplies now.
Obviously this is personal.
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Those people have to get food, medicines and basic supplies. How is that done when everything is shut down for so long?
The interview above with the scientist says everything is not absolutely shut down at least, in China.
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/03/quarantined-scientist-reveals-what-it-s-be-china-s-hot-zone (https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/03/quarantined-scientist-reveals-what-it-s-be-china-s-hot-zone)
I also heard elsewhere, say one family member can run to the store and get things but things are cut way back as to how mobile one can be.
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Ted Cruz to self-quarantine after contact with man infected by coronavirus
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/08/ted-cruz-self-quarantine-coronavirus-cpac-124120 (https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/08/ted-cruz-self-quarantine-coronavirus-cpac-124120)
The Texas senator said he would stay home for 14 days after interacting with the infected person at the recent CPAC conference in Maryland.
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SPECIAL REPORT: Beshear says coronavirus patient worked at Cynthiana (KY) Walmart
https://www.wkyt.com/content/news/SPECIAL-REPORT-Gov-Beshear-giving-update-on-coronavirus-cases-568624101.html (https://www.wkyt.com/content/news/SPECIAL-REPORT-Gov-Beshear-giving-update-on-coronavirus-cases-568624101.html)
Gov. Beshear said Monday only one of the four patients had recently traveled. Which means the virus is community spread
We're told the two Harrison County patients are connected and one of them worked at the Cynthiana Walmart.
Beshear says health officials are also monitoring six other employees from that Walmart, but none of them have shown symptoms.
Those six people are self-isolating.
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Ted Cruz to self-quarantine after contact with man infected by coronavirus
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/08/ted-cruz-self-quarantine-coronavirus-cpac-124120 (https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/08/ted-cruz-self-quarantine-coronavirus-cpac-124120)
The Texas senator said he would stay home for 14 days after interacting with the infected person at the recent CPAC conference in Maryland.
If I understood his statement corrector, he was exposed 10 days ago and will self-quarantine for the remaining 4.
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a lot of our area schools have spring break this week, which may help slow down the spread somewhat.
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If I understood his statement corrector, he was exposed 10 days ago and will self-quarantine for the remaining 4.
Maybe he is using the supposed worst case 24 day criteria.
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a lot of our area schools have spring break this week, which may help slow down the spread somewhat.
OTOH, is there mass close-ness going on in Galveston, and South Padre?
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Given the actual symptoms of this disease, shouldn't people be stocking up on cough drops, rather than toilet paper?
Coronavirus going to hit its peak and start falling sooner than you think
By Michael Fumento
March 8, 2020 | 8:52pm
Nations are closing borders, stocks are plummeting and a New York Times headline reads: “The Coronavirus Has Put the World’s Economy in Survival Mode.†Both political parties have realized the crisis could severely impact the November elections — House, Senate, presidency. And sacré bleu, they’ve even shuttered the Louvre!
Some of these reactions are understandÂable, much of it pure hysteria. Meanwhile, the spread of the virus continues to slow. ...
Like the flu, the coronavirus is afflicting high-risk groups: the elderly, those with Âunderlying health conditions like diabetes or heart disease and those with compromised immune systems. Are there exceptions? Sure. But that’s the case with almost every complex biological phenomenon of the kind.
More good news. This month, the Northern Hemisphere, which includes the countries with the most cases, starts heating up. Almost all respiratory viruses hate warm and moist weather. ...
Full story at New York Post (https://nypost.com/2020/03/08/coronavirus-going-to-hit-its-peak-and-start-falling-sooner-than-you-think/)
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Given the actual symptoms of this disease, shouldn't people be stocking up on cough drops, rather than toilet paper?
Full story at New York Post (https://nypost.com/2020/03/08/coronavirus-going-to-hit-its-peak-and-start-falling-sooner-than-you-think/)
Toilet paper is for being quarantined in your home.
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Toilet paper is for being quarantined in your home.
Ah, I see.
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Given the actual symptoms of this disease, shouldn't people be stocking up on cough drops, rather than toilet paper?
Full story at New York Post (https://nypost.com/2020/03/08/coronavirus-going-to-hit-its-peak-and-start-falling-sooner-than-you-think/)
Well, I reside in SWFL and it is hot and humid. Our temps have already been in the '80's for a couple of days in the past couple of weeks and though cases of the flu virus have decreased, corona is slowly creeping in, with 278 possible cases. Entrances to the ER have been slowed in order to question whether or not a person could potentially have the virus -- one hospital just north of here has called in a Hazmat unit. We have two cases in my county, one died and 70 medical personnel being evaluated.
Also, a university just south of me brought back students and faculty early from Italy -- they are under self quarantine. Where are they going to go? Back to their home states? The dorms? This is absurd. They should have never let them go in the first place. Of course, the liberal logic took over.
So -- not so sure about the moist warm temperatures killing this virus. I am doubtful.
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https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/international-travel/before-you-go/travelers-with-special-considerations/cruise-ship-passengers.html (https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/international-travel/before-you-go/travelers-with-special-considerations/cruise-ship-passengers.html)
U.S. citizens, particularly travelers with underlying health conditions, should not travel by cruise ship. CDC notes increased risk of infection of COVID-19 in a cruise ship environment. In order to curb the spread of COVID-19, many countries have implemented strict screening procedures that have denied port entry rights to ships and prevented passengers from disembarking. In some cases, local authorities have permitted disembarkation but subjected passengers to local quarantine procedures. While the U.S. government has evacuated some cruise ship passengers in recent weeks, repatriation flights should not be relied upon as an option for U.S. citizens under the potential risk of quarantine by local authorities.
This is a fluid situation. CDC notes that older adults and travelers with underlying health issues should avoid situations that put them at increased risk for more severe disease. This entails avoiding crowded places, avoiding non-essential travel such as long plane trips, and especially avoiding embarking on cruise ships. Passengers with plans to travel by cruise ship should contact their cruise line companies directly for further information and continue to monitor the Travel.state.gov website and see the latest information from the CDC: https://www.cdc.gov/quarantine/cruise/index.html. (https://www.cdc.gov/quarantine/cruise/index.html.)
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NY Port Authority Boss tests positive.
Live Updtes, the Guardian: https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/mar/09/coronavirus-live-updates-outbreak-italy-lockdown-quarantine-uk-usa-america-australia-recession-fears-update-latest-news (https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/mar/09/coronavirus-live-updates-outbreak-italy-lockdown-quarantine-uk-usa-america-australia-recession-fears-update-latest-news)
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Six inmates have died after riots broke out at 27 prisons in Italy over new restrictions aimed at controlling the spread of coronavirus, local media say.
In Milan, prisoners set fire to part of the San Vittore prison before protesting on the roof after they were told that visits had been suspended.
Italian Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte said the coronavirus outbreak was Italy's "darkest hour".
Read more at: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-51805727 (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-51805727)
More BBC:
Coronavirus: Are women and children less affected?
Women seem to be less likely to die from coronavirus than men, and children appear to be less likely to die than other age groups.
Most people will get a mild infection, but the pattern is clear in the most severe cases. So what is going on?
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Are there any risks in pregnancy?
Officially the answer is no, but experts have raised doubts.
Pregnancy does many things to the body, including weakening the immune system.
...
More: https://www.bbc.com/news/health-51774777 (https://www.bbc.com/news/health-51774777)
Coronavirus information: How to stay safe
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-51711227 (https://www.bbc.com/news/health-51711227)
Lots of good info above.
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True. I would strongly encourage everyone to at minimum get a two week supply of food -- the time is NOW. Unfortunately the risk has already increased, the best time would have been to get prepared when the virus first started infecting people outside of China and the 1st U.S. case was reported.
I posted this on February 24th over on FR and maybe you might find it a helpful resource:
The Coronavirus is here and the first thing to do is to take reasonable precautions to prevent infection starting with the simple step of declining to shake hands with everyone. Just say NO!!
But at home you do need to be reasonably ready for the possibility that you may be quarantined yourself or that your city/town might be isolated for as much as eight weeks.
FEMA has a great list to start with and you can find it here:
https://www.fema.gov/media-library-data/1390846764394-dc08e309debe561d866b05ac84daf1ee/checklist_2014.pdf (https://www.fema.gov/media-library-data/1390846764394-dc08e309debe561d866b05ac84daf1ee/checklist_2014.pdf)
The LDS also have a useful list of things to store up on and it's a good list to check as you go about your preparedness.
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/ensign/2006/03/random-sampler/food-storage-for-one-year?lang=eng (https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/ensign/2006/03/random-sampler/food-storage-for-one-year?lang=eng)
My own advice and how my family has already prepared is simple: Buy what you need for up to eight weeks of isolation but only buy those non-perishable foods, toiletries, and etc, that you were going to use anyway.
Don't go buying a 50 pound bag of rice if you don't eat rice. Ditto with beans or other such dry goods.
Only buy what you were going to use anyway but just get enough to last you up to eight weeks.
Then after this thing blows over you can just use up the extra supplies until they get down to your normal level of such things.
Oh, and I assume you're ALWAYS buying ammunition so I'm just taking that one for granted!
Megan
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GOP Rep. Doug Collins self-quarantines after exposure to coronavirus patient
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/486666-doug-collins-to-self-quarantine-after-coming-in-contact-with-coronavirus (https://thehill.com/homenews/house/486666-doug-collins-to-self-quarantine-after-coming-in-contact-with-coronavirus)
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I posted this on February 24th over on FR and maybe you might find it a helpful resource:
"Oh, and I assume you're ALWAYS buying ammunition so I'm just taking that one for granted!"
I lost my guns and ammunition in a tragic boating accident.
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GOP Rep. Doug Collins self-quarantines after exposure to coronavirus patient
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/486666-doug-collins-to-self-quarantine-after-coming-in-contact-with-coronavirus (https://thehill.com/homenews/house/486666-doug-collins-to-self-quarantine-after-coming-in-contact-with-coronavirus)
I saw an interview on FBN this morning with Matt Sclapp who's "quarantined," and he Skyped it in. This won't stop any of them from making TeeBee appearances.
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Coronavirus: Whole of Italy put on lockdown
The whole of Italy is being put on lockdown as the country tries to contain the coronavirus outbreak.
More follows...
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-whole-of-italy-put-on-lockdown-11954097
@TomSea
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Trump Recently Spent Time With Doug Collins And Matt Gaetz, Who Both Just Self-Quarantined Themselves Over Coronavirus Concern.
https://dailycaller.com/2020/03/09/trump-spent-friday-doug-collins-corona-virus-quarantine/
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Coronavirus: Whole of Italy put on lockdown
The whole of Italy is being put on lockdown as the country tries to contain the coronavirus outbreak.
More follows...
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-whole-of-italy-put-on-lockdown-11954097
@TomSea
I assume that includes Vatican City?
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Things are starting to go a little weird...
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Things are starting to go a little weird...
I'll be 30 this year and in 30 years I've never seen 'not weird' as an actual thing!
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I'll be 30 this year and in 30 years I've never seen 'not weird' as an actual thing!
888high58888 :beer: Love ya!
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I'll be 30 this year and in 30 years I've never seen 'not weird' as an actual thing!
In October 1987, I remember CNN talking heads yelling that is was 1929 all over. At 30, I thought that was a distinct possibility. Now though that, '00, 09, and now this, I can so that no two financial crisises are the same. One thing though. The best advise I ever got, was that when people are panicing and heading for the exits, is the best time to invest.
Serious bargains are going to be found for those who do their homework.
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My local county has decided to close schools tomorrow because of coronavirus. Maybe they're just giving them a good cleaning.
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Costumes or coronavirus? Synagogues cancel Purim celebrations.
Sarah Pulliam Bailey
Daphne’s mom, Susan Greene, she said she and her family still plan to go to the Purim events at their synagogue, Romemu. She shrugged and said she expects to get the virus eventually, because she and her two daughters pick up so many illnesses in school.
“What are you going to do?†she said. “You’re supposed to be happy for Purim.â€
As of Friday afternoon, New York state had confirmed 33 cases of the coronavirus — 29 of them connected to an attorney, with many of those centered on his modern Orthodox synagogue in New Rochelle, which has been shut down until further notice.
Read more at: https://www.washingtonpost.com/religion/2020/03/06/purim-cancellations-coronavirus/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/religion/2020/03/06/purim-cancellations-coronavirus/)
Scott Walker@ScottWalker
Happy Purim!
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https://twitter.com/ScottWalker/status/1237134770821378048 (https://twitter.com/ScottWalker/status/1237134770821378048)
More reading: http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/25343 (http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/25343)
https://www.jpost.com/Opinion/A-Purim-lesson-at-the-White-House-620356 (https://www.jpost.com/Opinion/A-Purim-lesson-at-the-White-House-620356)
Those last two links, not the most cheerful reading, thought I'd post this. Probably move to national news.
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Jim Sciutto
@jimsciutto
Rep. Louis Gohmert (R-TX) was told he was in proximity of individual at CPAC who tested positive for coronavirus, according to a Gohmert aide.
Gohmert is choosing not to self-quarantine.
@FoxReports
reporting
https://twitter.com/jimsciutto/status/1237133297572106243
In ways, it almost seems like someone went out to try and infect some CPAC attendees. :pondering:
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In ways, it almost seems like someone went out to try and infect some CPAC attendees. :pondering:
These stories about prominent Republicans are just grist for the mill of demanding Trump stop having rallies that are hurting the Rats. Fact.
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In October 1987, I remember CNN talking heads yelling that is was 1929 all over. At 30, I thought that was a distinct possibility. Now though that, '00, 09, and now this, I can so that no two financial crisises are the same. One thing though. The best advise I ever got, was that when people are panicing and heading for the exits, is the best time to invest.
Serious bargains are going to be found for those who do their homework.
1987 low about 2000, and two years later about double that
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From thackney's post:
"U.S. citizens, particularly travelers with underlying health conditions, should not travel by cruise ship. CDC notes increased risk of infection of COVID-19 in a cruise ship environment. In order to curb the spread of COVID-19, many countries have implemented strict screening procedures that have denied port entry rights to ships and prevented passengers from disembarking."
This could put the entire cruise industry into the dry dock.
I wouldn't be surprised if one of the major cruise ship operators files for bankruptcy before the end of the year...
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From thackney's post:
"U.S. citizens, particularly travelers with underlying health conditions, should not travel by cruise ship. CDC notes increased risk of infection of COVID-19 in a cruise ship environment. In order to curb the spread of COVID-19, many countries have implemented strict screening procedures that have denied port entry rights to ships and prevented passengers from disembarking."
This could put the entire cruise industry into the dry dock.
I wouldn't be surprised if one of the major cruise ship operators files for bankruptcy before the end of the year...
Yep. It is mostly the retired who have the time and money to take cruises.
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1987 low about 2000, and two years later about double that
And we will be significantly higher than today's close in a matter of weeks. In the Stock Market, the reverse rule of gravity applies: What goes down, most go up! I knew that in '87 and '08. I bought in then, and it paid off handsomely. I have my Castle.
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And we will be significantly higher than today's close in a matter of weeks. In the Stock Market, the reverse rule of gravity applies: What goes down, most go up! I knew that in '87 and '08. I bought in then, and it paid off handsomely. I have my Castle.
Agreede.Unless one needs money from the market now, better wait and likely wht has gone down will rise.
T
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"Oh, and I assume you're ALWAYS buying ammunition so I'm just taking that one for granted!"
I lost my guns and ammunition in a tragic boating accident.
Not me. But the ground is thawing and it's time for digging a couple up... :silly:
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I'll be 30 this year and in 30 years I've never seen 'not weird' as an actual thing!
Oh just wait till you're in your 50's and separated from youth and their way of doing things by a generation. You ain't even begun to see weird.
:beer: :seeya:
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For the record, Politco had reporters at the event and they are being asked to self-quarantine.
What a load of garbage from the Washington Post, they are being sued over the Russia Hoax.... so, they are running an editorial "Trump's Chernobyl", total garbage, I won't even read it but it is out there. So, they can't win on something, it shows they aren't serious so they hop on to something else.
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Agreede.Unless one needs money from the market now, better wait and likely wht has gone down will rise.
T
Makes me glad I retired earlier than expected, because I'd still be in the Market. Granted, most of my portfolio had already been moved out of the Equities, but I'd still be pissed to lose 10's of thousands overnight.
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Two Million Infected? Iran Is Failing To Contain The Coronavirus.
The coronavirus has taken at least 237 lives, according to government figures, although unofficial numbers from hospitals and doctors suggest a much greater death toll.
by Masih Alinejad
The deadly COVID-19 coronavirus outbreak has wreaked havoc throughout Iran, another disaster that highlights the Islamic Republic’s mismanagement and raises further questions about its legitimacy.
Iranian authorities claim 7,161 cases of COVID-19, ranking fourth behind China, South Korea and Italy. Yet the Islamic Republic has completely botched its response to the coronavirus, which has claimed the lives of a number of high ranking officials and lawmakers.
Read more at: https://nationalinterest.org/blog/middle-east-watch/two-million-infected-iran-failing-contain-coronavirus-131137
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In ways, it almost seems like someone went out to try and infect some CPAC attendees. :pondering:
https://twitter.com/mitchellvii/status/1237107445685772289
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I noticed the first independent tests in the US for checking for the virus was to be made a few miles from me here in Alabama... Proud of the locals doing this, hope they make a fortune. They came up with test themselves.
https://www.dtpm.com/ (https://www.dtpm.com/)
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Average age of death, 80 years old? That old? I'm not finding confirmation of this. Still this is a good take.
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Janie Hsieh, PhD
@JanieHsieh
Strange coincidence that all worst affected Covid19 cases are along the same Latitude 40๠:
From left:
France Italy Iran Wuhan S.Korea Japan Seattle Washington NewYork
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https://twitter.com/JanieHsieh/status/1237347223832272897
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It's rough but close.
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It's rough but close.
I believe it is just a coincidence. Climates, socio-economic conditons, public health conditions, governmental action, etc, are better gauges of correlation.
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Average age of death, 80 years old? That old?
I have mentioned before, that one of the biggest mysteries of this outbreak thus far, is the lack of fatality demographic info. We are getting spots and bits here, and there, but as far as I know, nothing official here in the U.S.
One point I will make though. As far as I know, there have been ZERO COVID-19 fatalities of anyone who is young, and with no pre-existing conditons in the United States. It may be construed as a conspiracy theory, but I think that this was on purpose to undermine the Trump economy and presidency. Seems the MSM is trying to start and perpetuate the hysteria.......needlessly.
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Italian Doctor Says Coronavirus Outbreak Like a ‘War Situation’
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/03/10/italian-doctor-says-coronavirus-outbreak-like-war-situation/ (https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/03/10/italian-doctor-says-coronavirus-outbreak-like-war-situation/)
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Cyprus main hospital shuts after surgeon diagnosed with coronavirus
https://www.breitbart.com/news/cyprus-main-hospital-shuts-after-surgeon-diagnosed-with-coronavirus/ (https://www.breitbart.com/news/cyprus-main-hospital-shuts-after-surgeon-diagnosed-with-coronavirus/)
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Latest stats from https://www.foxnews.com/health/coronavirus-us-state-by-state-breakdown (https://www.foxnews.com/health/coronavirus-us-state-by-state-breakdown)
As of Tuesday morning, the novel coronavirus has infected at least 113,672 people across 103 countries, resulting in over 4,000 deaths. In the U.S., at least 36 states plus the District of Columbia have reported confirmed cases of COVID-19, tallying almost 650 illnesses and at least 26 deaths.
CORONAVIRUS: WHAT YOU NEED TO KNOW
Here's a look at the states impacted by COVID-19.
-Washington: 162 cases
-New York: 142 cases
-California: 133 cases (109 non-repatriated)
-Massachusetts: 41 cases
-Oregon: 14 cases
-Florida: 13 cases
-Texas: 12 cases
-Georgia: 11 cases
-New Jersey: 11 cases
-Colorado: 11 cases
-Illinois: 11 cases
-Pennsylvania: 10 cases
-Iowa: 8 cases
-North Carolina: 7 cases
-South Carolina: 7 cases
-Arizona: 5 cases
-Maryland: 5 cases
-Virginia: 5 cases
-Indiana: 4 cases
-New Hampshire: 4 cases
-Tennessee: 4 cases
-Nebraska: 3 cases
-Rhode Island: 3 cases
-Ohio: 3 cases
-Minnesota: 2 case
-Connecticut: 2 case
-Hawaii: 2 case
-Wisconsin: 2 case
-Kansas: 1 case
-Kentucky: 1 case
-Louisiana: 1 case
-Missouri: 1 case
-Nevada: 1 case
-Oklahoma: 1 case
-Utah: 1 case
-Vermont: 1 vase
-D.C.: 1 case
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Italian Doctor Says Coronavirus Outbreak Like a ‘War Situation’
Interesting that the mortailty rate is approaching 5% in Italy. Wish we could get more info on whether this elevated number is more of a function of maybe a more elderly demographic, or is this thing mutating into a more potent strain.
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Italian Doctor Says Coronavirus Outbreak Like a ‘War Situation’
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/03/10/italian-doctor-says-coronavirus-outbreak-like-war-situation/ (https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/03/10/italian-doctor-says-coronavirus-outbreak-like-war-situation/)
...The outbreak has also affected other aspects of hospital care, the doctor said, claiming that something like a heart attack under normal circumstances would take minutes to be seen by a doctor but under current conditions could take an hour or longer....
An aspect of this event that is not as obvious. Increase in deaths of those not infected with the virus but impacted because of the virus.
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Coachella Is Preparing to Postpone
Organizers of the Coachella Music and Arts Festival are in talks to postpone the festival amid the growing coronavirus outbreak in the U.S., multiple sources tell Rolling Stone.
The annual festival was originally scheduled to take place over two back-to-back weekends — April 10th, 11th, and 12th, followed by April 17th, 18th, and 19th — at Empire Polo Club in Indio, California, about two hours outside of Los Angeles. A newly reunited Rage Against the Machine was set to headline alongside Travis Scott and Frank Ocean. Coachella and its sister festival Stagecoach together bring in some $1.4 billion in profits each year, and an estimated 250,000 people attend the former each year.
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/coachella-music-festival-postpone-coronavirus-964858/ (https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/coachella-music-festival-postpone-coronavirus-964858/)
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I believe it is just a coincidence. Climates, socio-economic conditons, public health conditions, governmental action, etc, are better gauges of correlation.
Interesting. CLimate, solar intensity, wind currents, etc. tend to follow along latitude, so it makes me wonder if any of these might be contributing factors. Maybe we're safer up here at 48+ degrees.
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Interesting. CLimate, solar intensity, wind currents, etc. tend to follow along latitude, so it makes me wonder if any of these might be contributing factors. Maybe we're safer up here at 48+ degrees.
As a general rule, I have always been a proponent that those who live in colder climes have better odds of having to deal with natural viral epidemics that are spread by wildlife and insects. Things like mosquito born illnesses as an example. Very cold climates have a cleansing ability on our environment.
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As a general rule, I have always been a proponent that those who live in colder climes have better odds of having to deal with natural viral epidemics that are spread by wildlife and insects. Things like mosquito born illnesses as an example. Very cold climates have a cleansing ability on our environment.
I agree. Keeping the pathogens out when winter hits is key, but the only real cure for cockroaches in a building here (brought in by someone who moved in from down south) is to blow out the plumbing, open the windows, and leave the place for a few days when it's -20 or colder out. Germs might get passed around inside buildings, but don't seem to do well outside.
But I have noticed that when mosquito season comes (Lewis and Clark's journals have mention of the viciousness of the critters in this area), they are the most brutal and vicious mosquitoes I have ever run across. Elsewhere, they land and poke around looking for a soft spot, here they come in at a full dive, nose out, and die on watch crystals. It's only a three month season, and it's as if the bugs know it.
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Wheel of Fortune and Jeopardy! to tape without audiences as coronavirus spreads
by Zachary Halaschak
March 10, 2020 10:29 AM
Two iconic television game shows will be studio audience-free as cases of coronavirus continue to grow across the United States.
The Monday decision to suspend audience taping for Jeopardy! and Wheel of Fortune was made out of an abundance of caution and follows CBS’s suspended production of The Amazing Race, a reality adventure show, last week.
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https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/wheel-of-fortune-and-jeopardy-to-tape-without-audiences-as-coronavirus-spreads (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/wheel-of-fortune-and-jeopardy-to-tape-without-audiences-as-coronavirus-spreads)
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I agree. Keeping the pathogens out when winter hits is key, but the only real cure for cockroaches in a building here (brought in by someone who moved in from down south) is to blow out the plumbing, open the windows, and leave the place for a few days when it's -20 or colder out. Germs might get passed around inside buildings, but don't seem to do well outside.
But I have noticed that when mosquito season comes (Lewis and Clark's journals have mention of the viciousness of the critters in this area), they are the most brutal and vicious mosquitoes I have ever run across. Elsewhere, they land and poke around looking for a soft spot, here they come in at a full dive, nose out, and die on watch crystals. It's only a three month season, and it's as if the bugs know it.
You bring up one of the things I like about living in a desert: No skeeters. In 40 years I've seen maybe a half-dozen of the little blood-suckers. We never have a mosquito "season," even living here on the Colorado River.
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You bring up one of the things I like about living in a desert: No skeeters. In 40 years I've seen maybe a half-dozen of the little blood-suckers. We never have a mosquito "season," even living here on the Colorado River.
One of the things I have always loved about the desert. I have been lucky enough to spend a few early summers there working. Altitude seems to help, too.
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You bring up one of the things I like about living in a desert: No skeeters. In 40 years I've seen maybe a half-dozen of the little blood-suckers. We never have a mosquito "season," even living here on the Colorado River.
A half dozen? That's nice.
In my neck of the woods (and in the woods) of SE Texas, at 6:00 p.m. (duskish) You'll probably see a swarm of 20 or 30 on or around you at any given time. That's why we buy Cutters in industrial quantities. :cool:
Get within 2 miles of the coast? There are so many that their hum is the loudest thing you hear out there. Why beach houses never appealled to me. Well that and hurricanes.
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One of the things I have always loved about the desert. I have been lucky enough to spend a few early summers there working. Altitude seems to help, too.
6 months of the mercury climbing >100F every day cooks the little buggers off. Last year was my first in the hottest city in the country, and I saw three solid weeks of daily temperatures north of 115. Phoenix (where I was until last year) is the hottest large city in the US, but where I am now on the Nevada border is hotter.
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A half dozen? That's nice.
In my neck of the woods (and in the woods) of SE Texas, at 6:00 p.m. (duskish) You'll probably see a swarm of 20 or 30 on or around you at any given time. That's why we buy Cutters in industrial quantities. :cool:
Get within 2 miles of the coast? There are so many that their hum is the loudest thing you hear out there. Why beach houses never appealled to me. Well that and hurricanes.
If you are out of protected areas here, the wind can keep them away just fine (a calm day in ND is like snow in Key West--rare), but in the river bottoms, down in the willows, near oxbow lakes and the impounds formed by high water channels, a human is simply bug bait. I seldom wear short sleeves, anyway, almost never shorts, but I have been bitten through the back pocket of a new pair of jeans...
One of the budget items for government in this area is "vector control", aerial and on the ground distribution of larvacides and aerial spraying of the bugs themselves. I guess that keeps all us miscreants from digging out the malathion and doing it ourselves.
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In ways, it almost seems like someone went out to try and infect some CPAC attendees. :pondering:
Seems that way to me to and I wouldn't be surprised.
Also -- (here come the flaming arrows) -- how if the corona was bio engineered to kill off the aging population which seems to be a drain on society economically?? The mortality rate increases after 50 and rises for every age group by decade significantly. The elderly are also more apt to have cardiovascular disease and diabetes which also increases the mortality rate almost 5x.
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One of the budget items for government in this area is "vector control", aerial and on the ground distribution of larvacides and aerial spraying of the bugs themselves. I guess that keeps all us miscreants from digging out the malathion and doing it ourselves.
Our county sprays for mosquitos, but its only good if you are outside within a 100 feet of the road. Back 400 or 500 feet like I am has no effect what so ever.
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Seems that way to me to and I wouldn't be surprised.
Also -- (here come the flaming arrows) -- how if the corona was bio engineered to kill off the aging population which seems to be a drain on society economically?? The mortality rate increases after 50 and rises for every age group by decade significantly. The elderly are also more apt to have cardiovascular disease and diabetes which also increases the mortality rate almost 5x.
They're going to miss hose health care jobs when they are gone....
Really, the older crowd have a few things in common generally.
We are more likely to own our home...
To have money tucked away, even relatively small amounts,
To be more conservative in our outlook,
To remember before all the socialist BS that has especially permeated our government since the 1960s.
To have studied Civics and the Constitution,
To stand up and say "NO!"
To not be swayed by short attention span word salad ads which have no substance
To be critical thinkers,
To have seen scams and know that for what it is,
To believe, and to worship, The One from whom all our blessings and Rights come.
I could go on, but you get the picture.
The grandparents who are raising children now are the last bulwark between future generations and the State takeover of the kids. We remember, we know things, we have skills and can get stuff accomplished off the radar. We are the counter-revolutionaries who 'subvert' and threaten the aims of the Socialists and other Totalitarians who dream of world domination. We even have hard copies of the history before the textbooks disappeared from the schools and libraries started dumping books in favor of electronic forms, copies which do not agree with the SJW narratives being spun to divide America and lay guilt trips on people who have done no wrong.
In every culture, the elders are valued to pass on the defining tenets and history of that culture, to set the standards for behaviour within that civilization. Those who would destroy that civilization must first destroy that link, control the children, what they are taught, what they believe, even if they are taught lies and distortions of reality in order to gain control.
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CDC announces that toilet paper will prevent and protect people from Coronavirus.
Turns out the Australians were right.
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Australians protecting themselves from covid-19
And yes, it has already begun.
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I'm wiping my PC Monitor twice a day to be on the safe side.
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Seems that way to me to and I wouldn't be surprised.
Also -- (here come the flaming arrows) -- how if the corona was bio engineered to kill off the aging population which seems to be a drain on society economically?? The mortality rate increases after 50 and rises for every age group by decade significantly. The elderly are also more apt to have cardiovascular disease and diabetes which also increases the mortality rate almost 5x.
My guess is it wasn't specifically a bio weapon. Just a lab experimenting with various viruses to see what happens when combined and to try different techniques at combining them. And it leaked out by accident.
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https://fox8.com/news/coronavirus/ohio-state-university-suspends-classroom-instruction-through-march/?fbclid=IwAR1UAkEvH8tuybOvBRDXvmUNf9uypkneFt5yDg6ByCH278BIy1LczXYf6aU (https://fox8.com/news/coronavirus/ohio-state-university-suspends-classroom-instruction-through-march/?fbclid=IwAR1UAkEvH8tuybOvBRDXvmUNf9uypkneFt5yDg6ByCH278BIy1LczXYf6aU)
This is RIDICULOUS! OSU is suspending classes until March 30th.
There are NO cases of COVID 19 in Columbus - 3 only in Ohio in Cuyahoga County, more than 100 miles away.
Students will not stay at home, they will PARTY. 9999hair out0000
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2 week old article but yes, yes, we need to do something about this:
Josh Hawley Announces Bill to Reduce U.S. Reliance on Chinese Medical Supply Chain
By Zachary Evans
February 25, 2020 1:43 PM
Senator Josh Hawley (R., Mo.) announced on Tuesday that he will introduce a bill that would diversify the U.S. medical supply chain in order to reduce reliance on Chinese products.
“If the Coronavirus crisis makes anything clear, it’s that we need to stop relying on China for our critical medical supply chains,†Hawley wrote on Twitter. “I will introduce legislation this week to jump start that effort.â€
On Monday, Hawley sent a letter to Food and Drug Administration Commissioner Dr. Stephen Hahn asking how the agency plans to deal with a potential medical supply shortage caused by the onset of the coronavirus in China.
More at: https://www.nationalreview.com/news/josh-hawley-announces-bill-to-reduce-u-s-reliance-on-chinese-medical-supply-chain/ (https://www.nationalreview.com/news/josh-hawley-announces-bill-to-reduce-u-s-reliance-on-chinese-medical-supply-chain/)
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https://fox8.com/news/coronavirus/ohio-state-university-suspends-classroom-instruction-through-march/?fbclid=IwAR1UAkEvH8tuybOvBRDXvmUNf9uypkneFt5yDg6ByCH278BIy1LczXYf6aU (https://fox8.com/news/coronavirus/ohio-state-university-suspends-classroom-instruction-through-march/?fbclid=IwAR1UAkEvH8tuybOvBRDXvmUNf9uypkneFt5yDg6ByCH278BIy1LczXYf6aU)
This is RIDICULOUS! OSU is suspending classes until March 30th.
There are NO cases of COVID 19 in Columbus - 3 only in Ohio in Cuyahoga County, more than 100 miles away.
Students will not stay at home, they will PARTY. 9999hair out0000
Extended Spring Break!
***hair on fire ***hair on fire ***hair on fire :drunk: 999beer 0000dancing ***hair on fire ***hair on fire ***hair on fire
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Extended Spring Break!
***hair on fire ***hair on fire ***hair on fire :drunk: 999beer 0000dancing ***hair on fire ***hair on fire ***hair on fire
Exactly!
And in the meantime, not a teensy weensy bit of educating going on. *****rollingeyes*****
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Exactly!
And in the meantime, not a teensy weensy bit of educating going on. *****rollingeyes*****
Oh, there will be some getting an education, just no schooling.
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Breaking- NY to deploy National Guard troops to New Rochelle, now the “most significant cluster in the country†Cuomo says, tri state COVID-19 cases surpass 185
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/ (https://www.nbcnewyork.com/)
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Oh, there will be some getting an education, just no schooling.
****drummer
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Breaking- NY to deploy National Guard troops to New Rochelle, now the “most significant cluster in the country†Cuomo says, tri state COVID-19 cases surpass 185
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/ (https://www.nbcnewyork.com/)
So it is Gov. Andrew Cuomo instead of President Trump declaring Marshall Law? < /sarc>
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Latest stats from https://www.foxnews.com/health/coronavirus-us-state-by-state-breakdown (https://www.foxnews.com/health/coronavirus-us-state-by-state-breakdown)
As of Tuesday morning, the novel coronavirus has infected at least 113,672 people across 103 countries, resulting in over 4,000 deaths. In the U.S., at least 36 states plus the District of Columbia have reported confirmed cases of COVID-19, tallying almost 650 illnesses and at least 26 deaths.
Another important statistic needed here is the age demographics of the 650 reported infected. If people aged 40 and over make up a disproportionate number of reported cases, then the fatality rate is grossly exaggerated.
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****drummer
“We don’t need no educationâ€
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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1237340894610759680
Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
Wow!
@foxandfriends blew away the competition of Morning Joke (which did very poorly) on MSDNC (Another Comcast sleaze production), and
@CNN ’s New Day, in the Morning Television Ratings. A total blowout, but that’s what you get when you treat “Trump†fairly!
6:33 AM · Mar 10, 2020
Great information to know as US cases top 700. *cough* *cough*
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Breaking- NY to deploy National Guard troops to New Rochelle, now the “most significant cluster in the country†Cuomo says, tri state COVID-19 cases surpass 185
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/ (https://www.nbcnewyork.com/)
Rob Petrie is saddened.... ****drummer
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My guess is it wasn't specifically a bio weapon. Just a lab experimenting with various viruses to see what happens when combined and to try different techniques at combining them. And it leaked out by accident.
This idea has been pushed for every epidemic since the 20th century. If true, then bioengineers must be the most careless, bumbling, incompetent people in the world.
Chikungunya
Cholera
Crimean-Congo haemorrhagic fever
Ebola virus disease
Hendra virus infection
Influenza (pandemic, seasonal, zoonotic)
Lassa fever
Marburg virus disease
Meningitis
MERS-CoV
Monkeypox
Nipah virus infection
Plague
Rift Valley fever
SARS
Smallpox
Tularaemia
Yellow fever
Zika virus disease
Novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV)
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Breaking- NY to deploy National Guard troops to New Rochelle, now the “most significant cluster in the country†Cuomo says, tri state COVID-19 cases surpass 185
What do they expect the National Guard is going to do? Except to get more people infected?
This reminds me very much of all the talk about sending American troops to Africa to "fight Ebola". Really? Are people that stupid?
There is only one way an army can fight an epidemic. And that draconian plan is something America would never do.
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What do they expect the National Guard is going to do? Except to get more people infected?
This reminds me very much of all the talk about sending American troops to Africa to "fight Ebola". Really? Are people that stupid?
There is only one way an army can fight an epidemic. And that draconian plan is something America would never do.
I just went half a mile to my local grocery store. I noticed I was out of milk when I wanted to make a cup of coffee for lunch. Lot of food on the shelf, lot of toilet paper, lots of cans. Then I got home and saw my state just had it’s first death. A 69 year old man.
The two school districts near me, the one I’m in and another close one, closed today for some type of heavy cleaning. Anyway, the people at the supermarket and the customers don’t seem worried but they are buying wine like it’s the end of the world. I guess, if it’s the end of the world you wanna feel fine,
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I just went half a mile to my local grocery store. I noticed I was out of milk when I wanted to make a cup of coffee for lunch. Lot of food on the shelf, lot of toilet paper, lots of cans. Then I got home and saw my state just had it’s first death. A 69 year old man.
The two school districts near me, the one I’m in and another close one, closed today for some type of heavy cleaning. Anyway, the people at the supermarket and the customers don’t seem worried but they are buying wine like it’s the end of the world. I guess, if it’s the end of the world you wanna feel fine,
Wine has a better shelf-life. Well, the Red anyway....
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Wine has a better shelf-life. Well, the Red anyway....
Actually I don’t drink. I would rather have my calories in cookies. And donuts
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Just wanna say that the nearby branch of OSU where I taught before I retired has also closed.
Because of the nature of my music class, being cancelled through the end of March would destroy the class. It could not be taught online.
They’re going to have to change the grading to pass/fail in classes like mine, because there will be no legitimate grading.
And all for what?? A crisis that hasn’t happened....
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Actually I don’t drink. I would rather have my calories in cookies. And donuts
Don't forget ice cream.
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Actually I don’t drink. I would rather have my calories in cookies. And donuts
It's all good, as long as we're partying to the sounds of R.E.M.
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Don't forget ice cream.
@Hoodat I'm glad I swiped your elephant GIF Avatar and posted it on my Bookface....
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Imagine all the millions of people who get severe annual Spring allergies?
These guys are going to get fired, arrested, and put in isolation.
Red eyes, runny nose, constant sneezing, coughing, A WITCH!!! BURN THEM!!
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Rockin' Pneumonia and Boogie Woogie Flu ~ Johnny Rivers
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvJ78hYI6wk#)
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Does anyone here have any recollections or accounts of polio quarantines during the 40s or 50s? During those epidemics, children were essentially quarantined in their own house or yard. But this typically happened during summer months, so it was not an issue of closing schools.
Polio had a fatality rate of around 6% for reported cases, but with infants, it was unlikely that an infection would be recognized as polio.
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Rockin' Pneumonia and Boogie Woogie Flu ~ Johnny Rivers
Nice.
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Does anyone here have any recollections or accounts of polio quarantines during the 40s or 50s? During those epidemics, children were essentially quarantined in their own house or yard. But this typically happened during summer months, so it was not an issue of closing schools.
Polio had a fatality rate of around 6% for reported cases, but with infants, it was unlikely that an infection would be recognized as polio.
Who Polio doesn't kill, it cripples. My Maternal GF was an example.
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Rockin' Pneumonia and Boogie Woogie Flu ~ Johnny Rivers
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvJ78hYI6wk#)
I cannot believe it took you over 1,000 posts to put that up... :tongue2:
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Breaking- NY to deploy National Guard troops to New Rochelle, now the “most significant cluster in the country†Cuomo says, tri state COVID-19 cases surpass 185
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/ (https://www.nbcnewyork.com/)
For a disease that kills <.2% of the population under 60?
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Since we've tended toward a rock and roll theme.
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Does anyone here have any recollections or accounts of polio quarantines during the 40s or 50s? During those epidemics, children were essentially quarantined in their own house or yard. But this typically happened during summer months, so it was not an issue of closing schools.
Polio had a fatality rate of around 6% for reported cases, but with infants, it was unlikely that an infection would be recognized as polio.
Yep. I remember standing in the line to get the vaccine (I was just a kid, and it was a big thing).
I also went to school with a couple of guys who didn't get the vaccine in time.
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@Hoodat I'm glad I swiped your elephant GIF Avatar and posted it on my Bookface....
Had to take it down. @Sighlass didn't like it.
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Had to take it down. @Sighlass didn't like it.
What's up with that @Hoodat Arne said my Avatar freaked him out but it appears that problem resolved itself. :shrug:
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20,000 influenza deaths in US in last 5 months. Call out the National Guard!
https://www.ibtimes.com/coronavirus-vs-flu-20000-people-died-influenza-season-us-2936439 (https://www.ibtimes.com/coronavirus-vs-flu-20000-people-died-influenza-season-us-2936439)
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Actually I don’t drink. I would rather have my calories in cookies. And donuts
Speaking of donuts, it's probably a good idea for @Cyber Liberty to put a sneeze guard over the donuts in the Lounge.
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Yep. I remember standing in the line to get the vaccine (I was just a kid, and it was a big thing).
I also went to school with a couple of guys who didn't get the vaccine in time.
Isn't that the shot with a dozen needles that left a hole in people's arm?
I heard that was intentional, so they could know who did and who did not get the shot.
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Speaking of donuts, it's probably a good idea for @Cyber Liberty to put a sneeze guard over the donuts in the Lounge.
It may not be good enough. Restaurants are closing their salad bars with sneeze guards. I will never cave to the mob and stop bringing coffee and donuts to the Lounge!
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Isn't that the shot with a dozen needles that left a hole in people's arm?
I heard that was intentional, so they could know who did and who did not get the shot.
I think that was TB.
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Cheaper than Toilet Paper
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Isn't that the shot with a dozen needles that left a hole in people's arm?
I heard that was intentional, so they could know who did and who did not get the shot.
Nope. The Polio vaccine we got was a sugar cube with red stuff in it.
The multi needle bit was an antigen test for TB, a reaction meant you had been exposed, whether the infection is active or latent.
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Had to take it down. @Sighlass didn't like it.
In that spirit....
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Isn't that the shot with a dozen needles that left a hole in people's arm?
I heard that was intentional, so they could know who did and who did not get the shot.
I think that was the Small Pox vaccine.
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Imagine all the millions of people who get severe annual Spring allergies?
These guys are going to get fired, arrested, and put in isolation.
Red eyes, runny nose, constant sneezing, coughing, A WITCH!!! BURN THEM!!
Reminds me of a tweet I read that conjured up the story line for a new Seinfeld episode if it aired today:
Jerry is annoyed at his girlfriend because she washes her hands only long enough to get through the Kit Kat bar song once.
George accuses a coworker with allergies on having corona cough.
Elaine can't break up with her boyfriend because he is in quarantine.
Kramer goes into business making hand sanitizer in his bathtub.
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Isn't that the shot with a dozen needles that left a hole in people's arm?
I heard that was intentional, so they could know who did and who did not get the shot.
Maybe you're thinking of smallpox?
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Maybe you're thinking of smallpox?
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Yep. That's the one. Both of my parents had that scar. It was like a pass card for certain places, especially the military.
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In that spirit....
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I wonder how hard it was to train the elephant to do that.
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la #COVID19 es un arma biológica que accidentalmente "escapó" de un laboratorio militar en #Wuhan según este canal surcoreano, ArirangTV ..
Translated from Spanish by (google)
the #COVID19 it is a biological weapon that accidentally "escaped" from a military laboratory in #Wuhan according to this South Korean channel, ArirangTV ..
See video: https://twitter.com/ELZORROBOLIVAR/status/1236654989382234112
So, now, someone says this, whomever this ArirangVT is, South Korea but the video report is in English.
It still says, they need more proof.
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Coming to a Toilet Paper Isle near you (Language Warning)
https://twitter.com/adellabeaini/status/1236090659922046976 (https://twitter.com/adellabeaini/status/1236090659922046976)
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So, now, someone says this, whomever this ArirangVT is, South Korea but the video report is in English.
It still says, they need more proof.
It does make sense ina macabre hitleresque kind of way. China is one of the most over populated countries in the world.
If they wanted to reduce the overall population, who would they select? The old and the weak. Who does covid-19 affect?
The old and the weak.
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Coming to a Toilet Paper Isle near you (Language Warning)
https://twitter.com/adellabeaini/status/1236090659922046976 (https://twitter.com/adellabeaini/status/1236090659922046976)
Of course. At this point everyone knows that toilet paper prevents Coronavirus.
It's been proven. Even the CDC has said this.
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Got an email from my allergy/asthma doctor's office today:
If you have an appointment but have or have had a fever, please call to reschedule or, if you are due an allergy shot, please postpone your shot. Due to the greater risk to our respiratory disease patients, we ask that patients are fever free for two weeks before entering our waiting rooms.
That seems a rather sensible precaution.
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Got an email from my allergy/asthma doctor's office today:
That seems a rather sensible precaution.
Sensible and Common Sense in general seems to have left the scene in this country.
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I wonder how hard it was to train the elephant to do that.
What is the trampoline deck made out of? That's what I want to know.
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What is the trampoline deck made out of? That's what I want to know.
Rearden Steel, obviously.
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Maybe you're thinking of smallpox?
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I've got one of those scars on my arm.
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I've got one of those scars on my arm.
I think all of us older than dirt do.
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:cool:
Perfect.
I killed a six pack of corona, just to watch it die.
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I think all of us older than dirt do.
My scar faded away years ago. Now, if I can get my hip replacement scars to go away...lol.
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Breaking- NY to deploy National Guard troops to New Rochelle, now the “most significant cluster in the country†Cuomo says, tri state COVID-19 cases surpass 185
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/ (https://www.nbcnewyork.com/)
BWHAHAHA! Go figure a Democrat would be the first with delusions of tin pot dictator grandeur.
What a total jackboot overreaction.
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My scar faded away years ago. Now, if I can get my hip replacement scars to go away...lol.
My smallpox scar is still plenty visible, but mostly people just stare at my heart surgery scar now.
:shrug:
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My scar faded away years ago. Now, if I can get my hip replacement scars to go away...lol.
I don't remember the smallpox vaccine, but I do remember some sort of test that was given to me around 1969 where they poked our arms with something unpleasant. Some other kids had a reaction to it where their skin would blister, but mine did not.
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I've got one of those scars on my arm.
I had one of those on my thigh. It’s pretty faded now.
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I don't remember the smallpox vaccine, but I do remember some sort of test that was given to me around 1969 where they poked our arms with something unpleasant. Some other kids had a reaction to it where their skin would blister, but mine did not.
The tuberculosis test?
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The tuberculosis test?
That's what I thought. I don't remember ever having a smallpox vaccine scar although I still can vividly see a chickenpox scar. Smallpox scar would have faded by now, but I should have recognized it earlier in life.
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The tuberculosis test?
Probably. I had a dozen of those while in the military.
They pr*ck just under the skin, if you blister in a week it means you have been exposed.
Not that you have it. It only means you have been around it.
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Meanwhile in Memphis:
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PynXYF0x1QY&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR3LD85sWAQcLfwhnpLmI_Xpj5Aktt3N4yqK4UL7lukNoGfTZtaKwvgT_2U#)
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Health Insurance Companies Agree to Waive Coronavirus Test Costs in White House Meeting
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/03/10/health-insurance-companies-agree-to-waive-coronavirus-test-costs-in-white-house-meeting/ (https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/03/10/health-insurance-companies-agree-to-waive-coronavirus-test-costs-in-white-house-meeting/)
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Meanwhile in Memphis:
Ain't nobody got time for that.
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I think all of us older than dirt do.
Smallpox scar on my arm, lined up in the grade school cafeteria to get TB tests where you got poked in the arm, and also lined up to swallow whatever polio vaccine they gave us (it was liquid...... WAY back in the early '50's).
I had a friend who had gotten polio before the vaccines and in kindergarten and the early grades she still wore braces on her legs.
Those were scary times, and I remember even as a kid being thankful that I didn't get polio and that there was a vaccine.
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The Spox mentioned a website for CDC info: coronavirus.gov.
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My smallpox scar is still plenty visible, but mostly people just stare at my heart surgery scar now.
:shrug:
Lucky you. Most people just stare at my boobs. 333cleo
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Lucky you. Most people just stare at my boobs. 333cleo
Guilty as Charged.
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Lucky you. Most people just stare at my boobs. 333cleo
(Blink. Blink!) "Boobs?"
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(Blink. Blink!) "Boobs?"
Yep.
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Sometimes those boobs come with the 'Forfeiture of Property' Clause in the agreement /JS
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Lucky you. Most people just stare at my boobs. 333cleo
LOL - I was giving them the benefit of the doubt!
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The Briefing Room. Where men are.....
*girl beer*
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:cool:
Perfect.
I killed a six pack of corona, just to watch it die.
Hmph. Doesn't even change color at the kidneys.
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Lucky you. Most people just stare at my boobs. 333cleo
Like most red blooded males, there have been times when it took a great deal of practice and self control to learn to see what color a lady's eyes are... :shrug: :whistle:
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Like most red blooded males, there have been times when it took a great deal of practice and self control to learn to see what color a lady's eyes are... :shrug: :whistle:
... Even if she's wearing an arctic parka...
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My smallpox scar is still plenty visible, but mostly people just stare at my heart surgery scar now.
:shrug:
Try wearing a shirt.
@MeganC
TTIWWP
Sitting in a bar. This woman next to me pulls up shirt. uh uh. I pulled up mine. She offered my wife a sixer if she could touch. Screw that. I mean, don't touch me and I don't care who you ask.
Had another that offered to show. No thanks. She did anyway. Only had to pull her shirt up about halfway to her belly button.
Back when I was around the second grade they lined us up in the school hallway and shot us in the arm using a pistola with 5/6 vaccines and/or boosters. In that day they didn't ask anyone for permission. They just did it.
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Candace Owens @RealCandaceO
The average age of the hundreds of people that died in Italy— 82 years old.
It is now breaking, terrifying, stop your life and stock up on toilet paper news— that 82 years old, with pre-existing conditions can die from the flu.
The mass hysteria is unreal.
One day, we will look back and study the impact of the coronavirus.
Not the virus itself of course, but the mass global mental breakdown that it inspired.
Because people think it’s novel that 80 year olds are dying at a high rate from a flu.
This tweet will age well.
7:19 PM · Mar 10, 2020
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The wfe and I have been together long enough she points them out to me when we are driving. No sneak peeks, no faking it, no rubbernecking.
Sound reasoning. She doesn't want anyone to die in a car wreck over looking at other's T & A. Especially herself.
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... Even if she's wearing an arctic parka...
Yeah.
Is that a thin gal in a thick coat....
Or a thick gal in a thin coat?
Are there big foo-foo balls on the end of her tucked in scarf, or is that a sign of natural development? :shrug:
High latitude quandries...
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Yeah.
Is that a thin gal in a thick coat....
Or a thick gal in a thin coat?
Are there big foo-foo balls on the end of her tucked in scarf, or is that a sign of natural development? :shrug:
High latitude quandries...
It's the librarian fetish on crack.
I reckon folks down south can't understand...
:shrug:
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Candace Owens @RealCandaceO
The average age of the hundreds of people that died in Italy— 82 years old.
It is now breaking, terrifying, stop your life and stock up on toilet paper news— that 82 years old, with pre-existing conditions can die from the flu.
The mass hysteria is unreal.
One day, we will look back and study the impact of the coronavirus.
Not the virus itself of course, but the mass global mental breakdown that it inspired.
Because people think it’s novel that 80 year olds are dying at a high rate from a flu.
This tweet will age well.
7:19 PM · Mar 10, 2020
I agree. It's on par with the Mercury Theater's Halloween broadcast of War of the Worlds...
I was joking with the lady trying to stock the paper products in WalMart in town today. The paper towels were stocked to the ceiling, the toilet paper aisle was as empty as a Soviet State Store.
Geez, you'd think it was a cure.... :shrug: **nononono*
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I agree. It's on par with the Mercury Theater's Halloween broadcast of War of the Worlds...
I was joking with the lady trying to stock the paper products in WalMart in town today. The paper towels were stocked to the ceiling, the toilet paper aisle was as empty as a Soviet State Store.
Geez, you'd think it was a cure.... :shrug: **nononono*
You guys know I’ve been to the war of the worlds monument? It’s spitting distance from Princeton. (It’s also close to Elsie the cows gravesite)
https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/monument-to-the-war-of-the-worlds (https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/monument-to-the-war-of-the-worlds)
https://www.roadsideamerica.com/story/2749 (https://www.roadsideamerica.com/story/2749)
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You guys know I’ve been to the war of the worlds monument? It’s spitting distance from Princeton.
https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/monument-to-the-war-of-the-worlds (https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/monument-to-the-war-of-the-worlds)
https://www.roadsideamerica.com/story/2749 (https://www.roadsideamerica.com/story/2749)
Cool! Grover's Mill.
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You guys know I’ve been to the war of the worlds monument? It’s spitting distance from Princeton. (It’s also close to Elsie the cows gravesite)
https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/monument-to-the-war-of-the-worlds (https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/monument-to-the-war-of-the-worlds)
https://www.roadsideamerica.com/story/2749 (https://www.roadsideamerica.com/story/2749)
Neat! Not only was the story one of my favorites by H.G.Wells, but I loved the 1953 Movie version, too. I had the Orson Welles version (Mercury Theater radio play by Howard Koch) on vinyl long ago and played it quite a few times.
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Went grocery shopping today, expecting riots, fires, and fights.
None of that. It was as calm as can be. Plenty of sanitizer, plenty of TP.
There was really nothing to it. Uneventful.
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Neat! Not only was the story one of my favorites by H.G.Wells, but I loved the 1953 Movie version, too. I had the Orson Welles version (Mercury Theater radio play by Howard Koch) on vinyl long ago and played it quite a few times.
I like the Jeff Wynn album too. Oh boy between boobs, martians, and no wine sold before it’s time (and fish sticks) we really went off track!
Oh just so you all know I do have Welles on cassette. You need that and “the monster mash†for a good Halloween!
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Lucky you. Most people just stare at my boobs. 333cleo
Staring is rude. Men should always limit themselves to quick glances.
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Went grocery shopping today, expecting riots, fires, and fights.
None of that. It was as calm as can be. Plenty of sanitizer, plenty of TP.
There was really nothing to it. Uneventful.
I went to 2 Publix stores, 2 neighborhood Walmarts, Target, 3 Walgreen's and 2 CVS stores today, ALL were out of rubbing alcohol and hand sanitizer. Toilet paper was also scarce, but I already have a pretty good supply.
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There is still plenty of this hand sanitizer going around.
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Trying to stay on Topic here
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This Corona is for you, @corbe
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@Hoodat :beer:
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I like the Jeff Wynn album too. Oh boy between boobs, martians, and no wine sold before it’s time (and fish sticks) we really went off track!
Oh just so you all know I do have Welles on cassette. You need that and “the monster mash†for a good Halloween!
I like "The Monster Mash", too!
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I wear this everywhere I go, and use it for prayers. Kiss it when I'm nearing 'the public'.
So far, it works!
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You may laugh now, but this will keep you SAFE!
Coronavirus is afraid of TP.
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WHO: Most Infected People Will Recover, As Have More Than 70% of Chinese Patients
More than 70 percent of the cumulative number of people infected with the novel coronavirus in China have recovered, the World Health Organization stressed on Monday, saying that although the threat of a global pandemic looms large, most infections will end in recovery.
The disease spread in Europe in particular continues to raise alarm, and in Italy, the worst-affected country outside of China, Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte announced late Monday that lockdown conditions earlier imposed in the hard-hit north will now be extended to the entire country............
https://www.cnsnews.com/article/international/patrick-goodenough/who-most-infected-people-will-recover-have-more-70-chinese (https://www.cnsnews.com/article/international/patrick-goodenough/who-most-infected-people-will-recover-have-more-70-chinese)
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I wear this everywhere I go, and use it for prayers. Kiss it when I'm nearing 'the public'.
So far, it works!
What's your Street Name? 2 Ply?
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Had to take it down. @Sighlass didn't like it.
LOL... It is an Auburn Alabama thing (Iron Bowl, college football)... I just suggested I would love to see Aubie (AU mascot) walk up and kick the thing out from under Big Al (Bama mascot)... @corbe @Hoodat
It is all good... rivalry thing... @Cyber Liberty
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Coronavirus: Health minister Nadine Dorries tests positive for COVID-19
The MP has voted twice in the House of Commons in the past week - likely meaning she has been in contact with hundreds of MPs.
Aubrey Allegretti, political reporter
Aubrey Allegretti Political reporter @breeallegretti
Health minister Nadine Dorries has tested positive for coronavirus and a member of her staff is ill.
Ms Dorries is self-isolating at home and has appealed to fellow MPs to get in touch if they have recently been in contact with her, Sky News understands.
Read more at: https://news.sky.com/story/nadine-dorries-health-minister-tests-positive-for-coronavirus-11954928
Cautiously, it looks like the disease is in decline.
Dr. Oz or someone yesterday said, it actually had not killed, maybe any kids at all... You know, 0-9 years old or something like this.
Even some or all of the elderly, usually had some health risk already, heart problems, something....
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Cautiously, it looks like the disease is in decline....
Is the number of infected declining?
https://qz.com/1814380/interactive-map-from-johns-hopkins-shows-coronavirus-in-real-time/
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Looks like Belgium is now facing this, some in Spain.
Pretty good coverage at BNO, Breaking News Online:
https://twitter.com/BNODesk
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What's missing? Florida isn't showing up and as we've been told, Florida has had at least, some cases.
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Italian doctor at heart of illness shares chilling coronavirus thoughts
https://nypost.com/2020/03/10/italian-doctor-at-heart-of-illness-shares-chilling-coronavirus-thoughts/
March 10, 2020
...Italy, where more than 460 people have been killed and 9,172 others infected by the virus,...
...Describing every available ventilator as “gold,†Macchini said the doctors and nurses working at his side are exhausted.
“I saw the tiredness on faces that didn’t know what it was despite the already exhausting workloads they had. I saw a solidarity of all of us who never failed to go to our internist colleagues to ask, ‘What can I do for you now?’
“Doctors who move beds and transfer patients, who administer therapies instead of nurses. Nurses with tears in their eyes because we can’t save everyone, and the vital parameters of several patients at the same time reveal an already marked destiny.
“There are no more shifts, no more hours. Social life is suspended for us. We no longer see our families for fear of infecting them. Some of us have already become infected despite the protocols,†he said.
Macchini noted that some of his colleagues have become infected themselves and then infected their relatives who “are already struggling between life and death.â€
“So be patient, you can’t go to the theater, museums or the gym. Try to have pity on the myriad of old people you could exterminate,†he said.
“I finish by saying that I really don’t understand this war on panic. The only reason I see is mask shortages, but there’s no mask on sale anymore. We don’t have a lot of studies, but is panic really worse than neglect and carelessness during an epidemic of this sort?â€
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Looks like Belgium is now facing this, some in Spain.
Pretty good coverage at BNO, Breaking News Online:
https://twitter.com/BNODesk (https://twitter.com/BNODesk)
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What's missing? Florida isn't showing up and as we've been told, Florida has had at least, some cases.
That map appears to be out of date. The following link from John Hopkins is continuously updated:
https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6 (https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6)
Florida has had 28 confirmed cases with 2 deaths.
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Coronavirus: Up to 70% of Germany could become infected - Merkel
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51835856 (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51835856)
That's really alarmist. We will see.
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Coronavirus: Up to 70% of Germany could become infected - Merkel
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51835856 (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51835856)
That's really alarmist. We will see.
Yeah, I thought the French were white flag monkees.
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US coronavirus cases surpass 1,000, Johns Hopkins University data shows
COVID-19 cases surpassed 1,000 in the United States on Tuesday as the new flu-like coronavirus sweeps across the country.
As of late Tuesday evening, there were at least 1,020 cases in the U.S., according to Johns Hopkins University data.
The virus is now present in at least 35 states and the District of Columbia, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Almost half of all U.S. cases are in Washington state, California and New York, where the governors have all declared states of emergency to free up funding for communities battling outbreaks.
At least 28 people have died in the U.S. due to the virus, according to data compiled by Johns Hopkins University. The first confirmed case of COVID-19 in the U.S. was reported in Washington state in January.
There were just over 100 confirmed cases in the U.S. on March 4, according to the World Health Organization. Since then, the virus has spread rapidly from the U.S. epicenter in Washington state across the country............
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/11/us-coronavirus-cases-surpass-1000-johns-hopkins-university-data-shows.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/11/us-coronavirus-cases-surpass-1000-johns-hopkins-university-data-shows.html)
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US coronavirus cases surpass 1,000, Johns Hopkins University data shows
COVID-19 cases surpassed 1,000 in the United States on Tuesday as the new flu-like coronavirus sweeps across the country.
As of late Tuesday evening, there were at least 1,020 cases in the U.S., according to Johns Hopkins University data.
The virus is now present in at least 35 states and the District of Columbia, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Almost half of all U.S. cases are in Washington state, California and New York, where the governors have all declared states of emergency to free up funding for communities battling outbreaks.
At least 28 people have died in the U.S. due to the virus, according to data compiled by Johns Hopkins University. The first confirmed case of COVID-19 in the U.S. was reported in Washington state in January.
There were just over 100 confirmed cases in the U.S. on March 4, according to the World Health Organization. Since then, the virus has spread rapidly from the U.S. epicenter in Washington state across the country............
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/11/us-coronavirus-cases-surpass-1000-johns-hopkins-university-data-shows.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/11/us-coronavirus-cases-surpass-1000-johns-hopkins-university-data-shows.html)
2 cycles into the epidemic, and U.S. mortality rate is still under 3%. Plus I am not hearing any anecdotal evidence whatsoerver that any young people are dying. This is shaping up to be primarily an issue for the elderly, and those elderly with pre-existing conditons. I think it is time for the strategy for controls to focus in that direction.
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2 cycles into the epidemic, and U.S. mortality rate is still under 3%. Plus I am not hearing any anecdotal evidence whatsoerver that any young people are dying. This is shaping up to be primarily an issue for the elderly, and those elderly with pre-existing conditons. I think it is time for the strategy for controls to focus in that direction.
Italy is at 6% Mortality
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Italy is at 6% Mortality
And as I said on another thread, they are somewhat the anomaly here. This fact could be a number of things. Better testing and verification, Strain is mutating, and one other.... Italy's age demographic shows that it has a higher instance of >age 65 population than most of the other countries in Europe. Or, it could be a combination of these factors.
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And as I said on another thread, they are somewhat the anomaly here. This fact could be a number of things. Better testing and verification, Strain is mutating, and one other.... Italy's age demographic shows that it has a higher instance of >age 65 population than most of the other countries in Europe. Or, it could be a combination of these factors.
Or it could be they have got the largest sample size of infected with a more reliable reporting source than China, Iran, etc...
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Italy is at 6% Mortality
I prefer to not be in the 6%. Anyone need any toilet paper? happy77
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Italy is at 6% Mortality
Italy also has the second oldest population in the world (behind Japan). Two days ago, I read that the youngest person to die from this in Italy was 55 and already had a slew of health problems. So consider the sample makeup of the "infected" group.
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I prefer to not be in the 6%. Anyone need any toilet paper? happy77
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Italy also has the second oldest population in the world (behind Japan). Two days ago, I read that the youngest person to die from this in Italy was 55 and already had a slew of health problems. So consider the sample makeup of the "infected" group.
The Candace Owens tweet I posted above indicated that most Italian victims have been age 80+.
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Italy is at 6% Mortality
Italy's Coronavirus victims have an average age of 81. 23% of the country is described as elderly.
That puts large numbers square in the at risk demographic.
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@corbe:That's beautiful!
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MATTHEW BELL: Deserted streets. The shops shut. A 6pm curfew. That's Italy now... so how did they get coronavirus so wrong?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8097903/How-did-Italy-initial-response-coronavirus-wrong.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8097903/How-did-Italy-initial-response-coronavirus-wrong.html)
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BNO Newsroom
@BNODesk
BREAKING: Coronavirus can be characterized as a pandemic, WHO says
11:43 AM · Mar 11, 2020·Twitter for Android
https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1237781166780043264
"can be", that's kind of ambiguous language, it is or isn't...
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Many Americans aren’t panicking over coronavirus. They’re panicking over others panicking.
How much toilet paper does it take to stave off the coronavirus?
by Carl Durrek March 11, 2020
Stocks plummeting. Events canceled. Toilet paper flying off the shelves. It’s the type of panic one might expect from a Hollywood production about a disease ravaging the world and leaving millions dead in its wake. The problem is, the coronavirus isn’t that disease. Compared to Hollywood visions, it’s minuscule. Compared the death toll of the flu. it’s barely existent.
With this known by many and becoming known by more, why can’t I buy toilet paper without waiting in a long line of other people waiting to buy toilet paper? I didn’t know, so I started asking. Unlike everyone else, I was actually out of toilet paper. But the rest of the people I talked to in line had toilet paper. They just wanted more.
Some said they wanted to get the essentials before there was a quarantine. I didn’t try to dissuade them or share the facts about the coronavirus which are, frankly, unimpressive from a mass extinction perspective. But the majority of people I asked said they weren’t concerned about the coronavirus or quarantines, but were more worried about other people worrying about the coronavirus or quarantines. Looking up and down the line, I realized they had a valid point.
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https://noqreport.com/2020/03/11/many-americans-arent-panicking-over-coronavirus-theyre-panicking-over-others-panicking/ (https://noqreport.com/2020/03/11/many-americans-arent-panicking-over-coronavirus-theyre-panicking-over-others-panicking/)
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Johns Hopkins coronavirus map changes "Taiwan" to "Taipei and environs"
Bethany Allen-Ebrahimian
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Read more at: https://www.axios.com/johns-hopkins-coronavirus-map-taiwan-china-5c461906-4f1c-42e7-b78e-a4b43f4520ab.html?ref=hvper.com (https://www.axios.com/johns-hopkins-coronavirus-map-taiwan-china-5c461906-4f1c-42e7-b78e-a4b43f4520ab.html?ref=hvper.com)
Wrong for them to do, they should fix it. They probably get some foreign funding <--- Chinese money.
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Going to an MSN link, which has a corona virus world map,and some statistics.
It is updated regularly.
The total number of the deaths divided by the amount of cases comes out to roughly 3.5% world wide.
4373/121564 = 0.035, or 3.5%
link:
www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6?ocid=eventhub (http://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6?ocid=eventhub)
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"can be", that's kind of ambiguous language, it is or isn't...
There are times that the common cold is in "Pandemic Mode" in the most literalist of sense. Using words loosely like Pandemic to describe a disease that kills <0.2% of the population of healthy folks under 50? Pretty damned irresponsible if you ask me, and just fosters hysteria.
Quote from my wife's Dr. this morning.....
"If the damned media and politicians would shut their mouths and let the Medical community do their job, this would go a 100% smoother in dealing with it."
She also said that it is her belief that warm weather will temper the spread of the virus as spring progresses.
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There are times that the common cold is in "Pandemic Mode" in the most literalist of sense. Using words loosely like Pandemic to describe a disease that kills <0.2% of the population of healthy folks under 50? Pretty damned irresponsible if you ask me, and just fosters hysteria.
Quote from my wife's Dr. this morning.....
"If the damned media and politicians would shut their mouths and let the Medical community do their job, this would go a 100% smoother in dealing with it."
She also said that it is her belief that warm weather will temper the spread of the virus as spring progresses.
I don't believe the word pandemic has anything to do with the fatality rate.
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Besides the Houston Livestock show and Rodeo closing (which is HUGE and SERIES), St Thomas Episcopal school closed for 2 weeks, as there is a possibility that one of it's students has been exposed to the Corona virus.
In all seriousness, though. closing the rodeo after it has already been running is a big deal.
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I don't believe the word pandemic has anything to do with the fatality rate.
Epidemiologist use the term Mortality Rate. Basically deaths divided by cases. A Pandemic is a term to describe a disease (viral or bacteriological) that is wide-spread, generally globally. Heck, that could apply to a common cold as well as Black Plague.
You are right though. When most of the population hears that word they go bat shit crazy. Visions of 1340's Europe and 1918 immedately come to their mind.
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Many Americans aren’t panicking over coronavirus. They’re panicking over others panicking.
How much toilet paper does it take to stave off the coronavirus?
by Carl Durrek March 11, 2020
Stocks plummeting. Events canceled. Toilet paper flying off the shelves. It’s the type of panic one might expect from a Hollywood production about a disease ravaging the world and leaving millions dead in its wake. The problem is, the coronavirus isn’t that disease. Compared to Hollywood visions, it’s minuscule. Compared the death toll of the flu. it’s barely existent.
With this known by many and becoming known by more, why can’t I buy toilet paper without waiting in a long line of other people waiting to buy toilet paper? I didn’t know, so I started asking. Unlike everyone else, I was actually out of toilet paper. But the rest of the people I talked to in line had toilet paper. They just wanted more.
Some said they wanted to get the essentials before there was a quarantine. I didn’t try to dissuade them or share the facts about the coronavirus which are, frankly, unimpressive from a mass extinction perspective. But the majority of people I asked said they weren’t concerned about the coronavirus or quarantines, but were more worried about other people worrying about the coronavirus or quarantines. Looking up and down the line, I realized they had a valid point.
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https://noqreport.com/2020/03/11/many-americans-arent-panicking-over-coronavirus-theyre-panicking-over-others-panicking/ (https://noqreport.com/2020/03/11/many-americans-arent-panicking-over-coronavirus-theyre-panicking-over-others-panicking/)
"We have nothing to fear but fear itself...."
Well, almost nothing. :shrug:
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Kevin McCarthy
@GOPLeader
Democrats are trying to keep President Trump—or any future president—from being able to swiftly issue travel restrictions in the face of health threats like coronavirus.
And the worst part is they're trying to sneak it into a totally unrelated bill, just to restrict debate.
https://twitter.com/GOPLeader/status/1237795041562767360 (https://twitter.com/GOPLeader/status/1237795041562767360)
Read Version, ITALY:
ICUs 'should stop treating elderly if coronavirus outbreak worsens'
Chris Pleasance
The death toll from the coronavirus outbreak in Italy has jumped in the last 24 hours by 196 to 827 as a top Italian doctor said intensive care wards should place an age limit on beds.
Rather than admit patients on a 'first come first served' basis, hospitals should swap to 'catastrophe medicine' guidelines - typically used in war zones and during natural disasters - where those with the greatest chance of survival are given priority.
The guidelines should apply to all patients needing intensive care treatment and not just those suffering from coronavrius, according to guidance published this week by the Society of Anesthesia, Analgesia, Resuscitation and Intensive Care (SAARI).
More: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8101135/Intensive-care-units-stop-treating-elderly-coronavirus-outbreak-worsens.html?ito=social-twitter_mailonline (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8101135/Intensive-care-units-stop-treating-elderly-coronavirus-outbreak-worsens.html?ito=social-twitter_mailonline)
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Read Version, ITALY:
Hmmm.... That's pretty ugly...
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That map appears to be out of date. The following link from John Hopkins is continuously updated:
https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6 (https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6)
Florida has had 28 confirmed cases with 2 deaths.
That Johns Hopkins link is the best thing I've seen.
Thanks for linking it. @thackney . :beer:
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Besides the Houston Livestock show and Rodeo closing (which is HUGE and SERIES), St Thomas Episcopal school closed for 2 weeks, as there is a possibility that one of it's students has been exposed to the Corona virus.
In all seriousness, though. closing the rodeo after it has already been running is a big deal.
All the Maple Festivals in Ohio have been cancelled by the ODNR.
That's a pretty big deal too.
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Besides the Houston Livestock show and Rodeo closing (which is HUGE and SERIES), St Thomas Episcopal school closed for 2 weeks, as there is a possibility that one of it's students has been exposed to the Corona virus.
In all seriousness, though. closing the rodeo after it has already been running is a big deal.
Houston Rodeo canceled amid growing concerns over coronavirus
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,394734.msg2166098.html#msg2166098 (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,394734.msg2166098.html#msg2166098)
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I'm pretty sure that Fiesta ~ San Antonio (largest yearly festival) is about to be cancelled.
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I'm pretty sure that Fiesta ~ San Antonio (largest yearly festival) is about to be cancelled.
Several cities have cancelled St. Patrick's Day parades, which means only that large groups people will be gathering earlier in the day than usual in close, confined spaces - breathing, sneezing and coughing on one another - to drink vast quantities of beer. That should solve the problem!
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It appears that this virus is highly contagious. So I don't have a problem with events being cancelled to try to contain it. I think it a wise move until more can be determined.
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Several cities have cancelled St. Patrick's Day parades, which means only that large groups people will be gathering earlier in the day than usual in close, confined spaces - breathing, sneezing and coughing on one another - to drink vast quantities of beer. That should solve the problem!
I'm gonna check in on the value of green beer in these circumstances. :laugh:
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Republicans under quarantine for coronavirus so far:
* Ted Cruz
* Paul Gosar
* Doug Collins
* Matt Gaetz
* Mark Meadows
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/03/senior-republicans-quarantine-coronavirus-200310094312225.html (https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/03/senior-republicans-quarantine-coronavirus-200310094312225.html)
Five senior Republicans in self-quarantine over coronavirus
it's al jazeera so it's probably just fake news.
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I'm gonna check in on the value of green beer in these circumstances. :laugh:
I still plan to pick up a 12-pack of Corona next time I'm at the store, just because I can.
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Side story and interesting because most of us know who Jim Baker, the televangelist is and... we also discussed colloidal silver I believe earlier in this thread:
Missouri is suing a televangelist who falsely suggested on his show that colloidal silver could cure coronavirus patients
Michelle Mark
(https://i.insider.com/5e693437235c18030b2ce0f9?width=1300&format=jpeg&auto=webp)
Missouri's attorney general sued the televangelist Jim Bakker over his show's false claims that colloidal silver could cure COVID-19.
The state of Missouri has sued the televangelist Jim Bakker over his show's false claims that colloidal silver could cure the novel coronavirus.
The US Food and Drug Administration has made clear there are currently no substances, products, drugs, or vaccines that can cure, treat, or prevent COVID-19.
Furthermore, there are no credible scientific studies backing up claims that colloidal silver has health benefits. In fact, the substance can cause potentially serious side effects.
More at: https://www.insider.com/missouri-sues-televangelist-jim-bakker-false-coronavirus-cure-colloidal-silver-2020-3 (https://www.insider.com/missouri-sues-televangelist-jim-bakker-false-coronavirus-cure-colloidal-silver-2020-3)
So, it's up to each of us to decide.
I heard on the radio the other day that watch out with kidney failure over colloidal silver, maybe one would have to use a lot of it for that to happen.
I had some of this colloidal silver a few years ago, got it at the health store.
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I still plan to pick up a 12-pack of Corona next time I'm at the store, just because I can.
I picked up a six pack of Corona last week, hoping it was on sale.
It wasn't.
Nonetheless, :beer:
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Epidemiologist use the term Mortality Rate. Basically deaths divided by cases. A Pandemic is a term to describe a disease (viral or bacteriological) that is wide-spread, generally globally. Heck, that could apply to a common cold as well as Black Plague.
You are right though. When most of the population hears that word they go bat shit crazy. Visions of 1340's Europe and 1918 immedately come to their mind.
What is a pandemic?
Declaring a pandemic has nothing to do with changes to the characteristics of a disease, but is instead associated with concerns over its geographic spread. According to the World Health Organization, a pandemic is declared when a new disease for which people do not have immunity spreads around the world beyond expectations.
How does the WHO decide whether to call it a pandemic?
Cases that involve travellers who have been infected in a foreign country and have then returned to their home country, or who have been infected by that traveller, known as the “index caseâ€, do not count towards declaring a pandemic. There needs to be a second wave of infection from person to person throughout the community.
Once a pandemic is declared, it becomes more likely that community spread will eventually happen, and governments and health systems need to ensure they are prepared for that.
An epidemic, on the other hand, is a sudden increase in cases of an illness or disease that can be unique to one country or community.
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I TPed the tree in my yard, as a scarecrow.
Put toilet paper all over my door including the handle.
Feeling safe. Coronavirus will never come round here.
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I TPed the tree in my yard, as a scarecrow.
Put toilet paper all over my door including the handle.
Feeling safe. Coronavirus will never come round here.
Well done.
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During a Wal-mart stop today, I decided to check out their iso-propanol supply. The entire shelf was empty. But they had plenty of bleach.
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People should be buying tampons instead of TP. More effective to stop their shit for brains leaking out their ears. The TP epidemic has hit here hard.
Just for fun.
https://www.who.int/influenza/surveillance_monitoring/updates/latest_update_GIP_surveillance/en/ (https://www.who.int/influenza/surveillance_monitoring/updates/latest_update_GIP_surveillance/en/)
Influenza update - 362
Summary
In the temperate zone of the northern hemisphere, respiratory illness indicators and influenza activity remained elevated overall.
In North America, influenza activity remained elevated influenza A(H1N1)pdm09 and B viruses co-circulating.
In Europe, influenza activity continued to increase across the region but appeared to have peaked in some countries.
In Central Asia, influenza activity decreased with detections of all seasonal influenza subtypes.
In Northern Africa, influenza activity continued to increase in Algeria and Tunisia, with detections of influenza A(H1N1)pdm09 and B viruses.
In Western Asia, influenza activity remained elevated overall, though in some countries activity returned to low levels.
In East Asia, influenza-like illness (ILI) and influenza activity appeared to decrease overall.
In the Caribbean and Central American countries, influenza activity was low across reporting countries with some exceptions. In Mexico, influenza activity appeared to decrease, with influenza A(H1N1)pdm09 viruses most frequently detected. In tropical South American countries, influenza activity remained low.
In tropical Africa, influenza detections were low across reporting countries.
In Southern Asia, influenza activity was low overall, though remained elevated in Afghanistan.
In South East Asia, influenza activity continued to be reported in some countries.
In the temperate zones of the southern hemisphere, influenza activity remained at inter-seasonal levels.
Worldwide, seasonal influenza A viruses accounted for the majority of detections.
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hahaha
Who Was The Man Who Took US Hostages, Established Hezbollah And Died Of Coronavirus
https://en.radiofarda.com/a/who-was-the-man-who-took-us-hostages-established-hezbollah-and-died-of-coronavirus/30474758.html
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People should be buying tampons instead of TP. More effective to stop their shit for brains leaking out their ears. The TP epidemic has hit here hard.
And the score at half time sports fans-
Influenza 8,200. Coronavirus 29
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Several cities have cancelled St. Patrick's Day parades, which means only that large groups people will be gathering earlier in the day than usual in close, confined spaces - breathing, sneezing and coughing on one another - to drink vast quantities of beer. That should solve the problem!
Ah yes! Those unintended consequences of over reactive fear.
Just like not thinking about what the OSU students will do in their free time while classes are cancelled. They would have been far safer in class on campus than the partying they’ll be doing in their absence.
Stupid. Stupid. Stupid.
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Ah yes! Those unintended consequences of over reactive fear.
Just like not thinking about what the OSU students will do in their free time while classes are cancelled. They would have been far safer in class on campus than the partying they’ll be doing in their absence.
Stupid. Stupid. Stupid.
My sister is a clarinet instructor at a local college. Yep, classes cancelled - online only. She wonders how she's supposed to sand her students' reeds via Skype.
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Besides the Houston Livestock show and Rodeo closing (which is HUGE and SERIES)
Damn straight.
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My sister is a clarinet instructor at a local college. Yep, classes cancelled - online only. She wonders how she's supposed to sand her students' reeds via Skype.
Use her best raspy voice?
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It appears that this virus is highly contagious. So I don't have a problem with events being cancelled to try to contain it. I think it a wise move until more can be determined.
But for how long? Can we go without public gatherings for months, as some are suggesting? Humans are social creatures. You can't isolate them for long periods of time without serious psychological consequences.
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My sister is a clarinet instructor at a local college. Yep, classes cancelled - online only. She wonders how she's supposed to sand her students' reeds via Skype.
One word: Amazon.
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But for how long? Can we go without public gatherings for months, as some are suggesting? Humans are social creatures. You can't isolate them for long periods of time without serious psychological consequences.
The virus will get around. Simple fact. What makes it lethal is having a large number of critical cases all at once and overloading the available facilities to provide care to the patients. Slowing the spread (the best we can realistically hope for) will stretch that curve into a more manageable number of cases at any given time, improving survivability for those who are seriously affected.
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My sister is a clarinet instructor at a local college. Yep, classes cancelled - online only. She wonders how she's supposed to sand her students' reeds via Skype.
EXACTLY!
I was a college music prof for 17 years, and not even half of my classes could be taught online. The class I was teaching last at OSU would just have to be canceled without meeting in a classroom.
You can't teach classroom music or class piano without a class! 9999hair out0000
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She's furious, @musiclady .
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EXACTLY!
I was a college music prof for 17 years, and not even half of my classes could be taught online. The class I was teaching last at OSU would just have to be canceled without meeting in a classroom.
You can't teach classroom music or class piano without a class! 9999hair out0000
I'll be darned if I can figure out how you can Skype an entire orchestra, which I assume one who teaches Clarinet would need to do at some point. There is simply no way to phone in Instrumental Music class.
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She's furious, @musiclady .
And understandably so. Her semester is for all practical purposes over, and her students will be able to learn nothing until classes are resumed.
It's the stupidest thing ever.
My husband was at the University of Cincinnati when classes were canceled because of the (leftist) rioting after Kent State, which made him furious.
But at least then, the thugs were burning the buildings down.
Nobody is even sick and they're robbing students of their education.
Preposterous.
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And understandably so. Her semester is for all practical purposes over, and her students will be able to learn nothing until classes are resumed.
It's the stupidest thing ever.
My husband was at the University of Cincinnati when classes were canceled because of the (leftist) rioting after Kent State, which made him furious.
But at least then, the thugs were burning the buildings down.
Nobody is even sick and they're robbing students of their education.
Preposterous.
One could be forgiven for noting pain is being distributed as widely as possible. Now why on Earth would anybody want to do that? :pondering:
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Most of us have already been exposed and are showing either no symptoms, or limited symptoms.
Medical services are being overwhelmed mostly by psychosomatic 'patients'.
These are people who are scared to death by the media and rush to hospital with a runny nose.
I would say this is a hit on Donald Trump, except that by November this will all be a memory.
There have been dozens of viruses which have come and gone, this one will achieve the same fate as all the others.
But I am wearing my toilet paper sportcoat whenever I go out, just to be safe.
Coronavirus will not affect you, if you have toilet paper.
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The sentence in the article that I highlighted is something to consider and an eye opener. I live in FL and this is tourist season. Our hospitals are already over maximum capacity. We already have patients who come in through emergency who need beds and there not any available -- many are being sent home after waiting for hours in the E.R. and those that they decide to admit are left on beds in hallway until a bed in room becomes available. The medical staff is stretched and already exhausted. Even a handful of corona patients that need to be isolated will be a tremendous burden on our local hospitals. We already had a patient die and another critical -- staff is being quarantined .... so that already puts additional stress on medical staff that's not affected as they have to pick up the slack for those being quarantined! So ... they may have to begin to make judgement calls -- do they treat the elderly who have a higher mortality rate and waste resources and risk infecting medical staff -- or are they going to care for the woman who just came in to deliver a baby or save someone in their 20's or 30's that has non-corona pneumonia who will more than likely recover?
'It's not like flu': Doctor's warning to those underestimating coronavirus
It’s a dismissive comment uttered, sometimes without much thought, among circles of friends or on social media.
But as the coronavirus reaches a critical point outside of China, simply passing off coronavirus as a ‘flu-like’ outbreak is a naive move, doctors and virologists have warned.
In Italy in particular, where the country’s health system has been stretched to its limit with an outbreak of more than 10,000 cases, the impact of the virus is not to be underestimated. In a now-viral tweet, one woman in northern Italy warned the country had made a “big mistake†in the lead-up to the outbreak in the European epicentre which has sent its death toll soaring beyond 600.
He noted how “advanced†medical teams in countries where the outbreak has soared have been forced to make the decision on whether patients live or die due to a lack of beds or staff to cope with “the sheer overwhelming number of sick people.â€
https://www.yahoo.com/news/its-not-just-another-flu-doctors-warning-to-those-underestimating-coronavirus-220203586.html (https://www.yahoo.com/news/its-not-just-another-flu-doctors-warning-to-those-underestimating-coronavirus-220203586.html)
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So what if?
What if I do not care, about my life.
And I crash all of the barriers?
If you are going to rob a bank, today is the day.
I you are going to buy 2021 Calls on margin, do it now.
A few months from now, everyone will laugh.
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Tom Hanks Says He Has Coronavirus
The actor said he and his wife, Rita Wilson, had tested positive while in Australia, where he is set to begin production on a film
By Nicole Sperling
March 11, 2020
Updated 9:31 p.m. ET
Tom Hanks said on Wednesday that he and his wife, Rita Wilson, learned they had the coronavirus. The 63-year-old Academy Award-winning actor is in Australia, where he was set to film a movie about the life of Elvis Presley.
“Hello, folks. Rita and I are down here in Australia,†Mr. Hanks said in a statement. “We felt a bit tired, like we had colds, and some body aches. Rita had some chills that came and went. Slight fevers, too. To play things right, as is needed in the world right now, we were tested for the coronavirus, and were found to be positive.â€
He added that he and Ms. Wilson “will be tested, observed and isolated for as long as public health and safety requires.â€
See more at: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/11/business/media/tom-hanks-coronavirus.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/11/business/media/tom-hanks-coronavirus.html)
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Larry Elder twitter.
Wow, NBA suspending season??
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Amarnath Amarasingam
@AmarAmarasingam
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Unfortunately, yall are gonna be seeing a lot more of me if they cancel NBA.
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San Gabriel Valley Gun Sales Soar Among Asian Americans Who Fear Coronavirus-Related Attacks
March 10, 2020 at 10:41 pm
ARCADIA (CBSLA) – Gun sales are skyrocketing across the San Gabriel Valley as Asian Americans in the area fear they may be targeted because of their ethnicity amid rising fears about the spread of the coronavirus.
David Liu, the owner of Arcadia Firearm & Safety, said his store has been very busy in recent weeks. Liu said he’s seen as many as 10 times more customers than usual come through the doors of his business.
“Because of coronavirus, a lot of people start to worry,†he said.
Read more at: https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2020/03/10/san-gabriel-valley-gun-sales-soar-among-asian-americans-who-fear-coronavirus-related-attacks/
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Unfortunately, yall are gonna be seeing a lot more of me if they cancel NBA.
Well ... they've suspended the season. **nononono*
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Well ... they've suspended the season. **nononono*
See Drudge is reporting that Tom Hanks and his wife caught COVID-19 in Australia.
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I'll be darned if I can figure out how you can Skype an entire orchestra, which I assume one who teaches Clarinet would need to do at some point. There is simply no way to phone in Instrumental Music class.
A little bandwidth lag would make a mess of things...
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Well ... they've suspended the season. **nononono*
Somebody on the Jazz got sick
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A little bandwidth lag would make a mess of things...
Already seeing more buffering and lagging since this sh__ started.
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And understandably so. Her semester is for all practical purposes over, and her students will be able to learn nothing until classes are resumed.
It's the stupidest thing ever.
My husband was at the University of Cincinnati when classes were canceled because of the (leftist) rioting after Kent State, which made him furious.
But at least then, the thugs were burning the buildings down.
Nobody is even sick and they're robbing students of their education.
Preposterous.
If the schools had to refund the tuition, I bet they'd be holding classes.
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St. Patrick’s Day Parade Postponed for First Time in Event’s 258-Year History (NYC)
St. Patrick's Day in New York City has gone from Erin Go Bragh to Erin no-go.
For the first time since it was initially organized before the Revolutionary War, the St. Patrick's Day Parade in the city has been postponed amid fears of COVID-19 spreading, city officials said.
Gov. Andrew Cuomo recommended to the parade organizers that the event not be held, and they accepted it, according to the governor's office.
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/st-patricks-day-parade-postponed-for-first-time-in-events-258-year-history/2322370/ (https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/st-patricks-day-parade-postponed-for-first-time-in-events-258-year-history/2322370/)
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If the schools had to refund the tuition, I bet they'd be holding classes.
That's fer darn sure.
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If the schools had to refund the tuition, I bet they'd be holding classes.
Insurance claim?
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Insurance claim?
They'd weasel out on a Farce Majeure clause
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One word: Amazon.
My wife jokes, about people with their faces in front of smartphones. A few years ago, on our way to the movies, she noticed a party of 4 young people in a booth, all staring into their phones, not at their companions.
I joke about people that text, rather than talk on the phone. It is as if with them texting, they maintain control of time, and perhaps ccontent, too.
Older folks, that survived Depression, Wartime ((including rationing) are less bewildered, about the prospect of any hardship.
'how will we survive, without our bottled water and TP, to ward off the evil disease?'
and 'won't it be solved by the late night news?'
I suggest name this the "Election Year Virus"
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Patient in Georgia:
Man battling coronavirus explains what it’s like, says “I ain’t never felt this badâ€
written by Paul Goldberg March 12, 2020
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ABC reports a man in Rome, Georgia, said he was initially sent home after he went to the hospital with flu-like symptoms and later tested positive for coronavirus.
Clay Bentley told ABC News on Wednesday that on March 1 he sang in the more-than-100-member choir at the Church at Liberty Square in Cartersville, Georgia.
Bentley said he went home after church and woke up Monday morning, feeling so sick he went to urgent care in Rome, Georgia. When they checked his vitals, he said, his oxygen levels were really low and he was sent to a hospital.
“I was so weak that I couldn’t even stand up,†he told ABC News.
More: https://newsthud.com/man-battling-coronavirus-explains-what-its-like-says-i-aint-never-felt-this-bad/
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I client and friend of mine, she's Asian of appearance from Indonesia, very disappointedly posted on FB, how somebody gave her some racist BS I believe somebody told her she should weart a mask, .
She is a medical technical pro. The type that risk people's body fluids, contact daily.
Not surprised those guys in SG Valley are getting armed. SGValley has been highly Asian for decades, I believe in particular, Taiwanese.
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The Hill reports federally funded tests conducted by scientists from several major institutions indicated that the novel form of coronavirus behind a worldwide outbreak can survive in the air for several hours.
https://newsthud.com/report-tests-indicate-coronavirus-can-survive-in-the-air-and-surfaces/
Can go airborne, that's why I'd think places like a bus, Greyhound or whatever, could be problematic.
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Know someone whose daughter is in Wuhan. After four weeks in solitary, the US State Dept finally contacted her.
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Can go airborne
Boy that clicked a trigger
AIRBORNE!!
C130 rolling down the strip
18 men on a one way trip...
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Maybe he believed it was a hoax for some reason.
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Your Phone Is a Cesspool of Germs. Here's How to Actually Clean It
Bleach is a terrible idea. Try out these tips, instead.
By Courtney Linder Mar 9, 2020
As the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) continues to dole out advice for lowering your risk of catching the Coronavirus, you're probably washing your hands a little longer and touching your face a little less. But there's another easy step you can take to stay protected—and if you're anything like us, you rarely consider it.
Your smartphone, as it turns out, is covered with 10 times the amount of bacteria found on a toilet seat, says a study from the University of Arizona. Sounds shocking, but it makes sense: Janitors scrub toilets every day. When's the last time you really wiped down your iPhone? Never?
Now that you know the dirty truth, it's time to take action. Your first instinct might be to use a Clorox wipe, which promises to kill 99.99 percent of household germs and bacteria. But that wouldn't be wise: This kind of wipe could actually damage the delicate oleophobic coating on your phone that's meant to prevent oils from your fingerprints sticking to the surface.
Read more at: https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/health/a31224352/how-clean-phone-guide/ (https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/health/a31224352/how-clean-phone-guide/)
I saw someone earlier say the real crisis here, could be bankruptcies. So, we will have to see how this goes.
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I'm glad the $3,000 test is a MYTH, I did seem to see that briefly stated.
Myth or fact: We dispel the rumors surrounding the coronavirus
Sarah Kay LeBlanc, Des Moines Register
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Does a coronavirus test cost $3,000?
No, it's free. FactCheck.org reported that a claim that a test for COVID-19 costs patients in the U.S. more than $3,000 originated on Twitter, where it amassed more than 250,000 likes and retweets. It became a meme that spread on Facebook.
In actuality, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration has authorized the use of two tests — one from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and one from the New York State Department of Public Health — and neither agency charges patients for the test, according to FactCheck.org.
Read more at: https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/health-news/myth-or-fact-we-dispel-the-rumors-surrounding-the-coronavirus/ar-BB10XBTd (https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/health-news/myth-or-fact-we-dispel-the-rumors-surrounding-the-coronavirus/ar-BB10XBTd)
Lots of good info at link.
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Strategic Partnership With China Lies at Root of Iran’s Coronavirus Outbreak
Pathogen spread rapidly from Qom, where Chinese-backed projects helped prop up nation’s sanctions-hit economy
By Benoit Faucon,
Iranian officials trace the origins of the country’s coronavirus epidemic to the holy city of Qom, home to dozens of seminaries and religious shrines—but also a number of Chinese-backed infrastructure projects built by scores of workers and technicians from China.
This critical link to China, centered in Qom, has helped keep Iran’s economy alive in the face of American sanctions. And it is now being stress-tested by the coronavirus. The exact route of the virus is unclear. But Iran’s strategic partnership with Beijing has...
https://www.wsj.com/articles/irans-strategic-partnership-with-china-lies-at-root-of-its-coronavirus-outbreak-11583940683 (https://www.wsj.com/articles/irans-strategic-partnership-with-china-lies-at-root-of-its-coronavirus-outbreak-11583940683)
Belt and Road initiative, article has a paywall but some vital info is up there, China is building all of these projects and apparently, this helped it spread into Iran.
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IDP, Internally Displaced Persons, camps in Syria, if the coronavirus got out, it'd be a problem.
Sara Firth
@Sara__Firth
First suspected cases of COVID-19 in an IDP camp in #Iraq.
Overpopulation and cramped conditions mean displacement camps will be extremely challenging places to prevent the spread of the virus.
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https://twitter.com/Sara__Firth/status/1238028269934559234
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ES2o5CQXQAEjTrA?format=jpg&name=small) (https://twitter.com/josueortc/status/1237831279082692615)
A chart showing the progression/spread of the virus. (credit: Josué Ortega Caro on Twitter)
Some things to note:
- Even the worst cases, per capita infection rates have not progressed beyond 0.1%. On the whole, even in the worst places, the chances of any individual person getting this are still quite low.
- This, of course, is cumulative: once a number is added, it's not taken away when they recover.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ES2o5CQXQAEjTrA?format=jpg&name=small) (https://twitter.com/josueortc/status/1237831279082692615)
A chart showing the progression/spread of the virus. (credit: Josué Ortega Caro on Twitter)
Some things to note:
- Even the worst cases, per capita infection rates have not progressed beyond 0.1%. On the whole, even in the worst places, the chances of any individual person getting this are still quite low.
- This, of course, is cumulative: once a number is added, it's not taken away when they recover.
Why didn't they include China in their data?
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Why didn't they include China in their data?
They did. Or tried to. But compared to the rest of the world their numbers are off the chart.
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Why didn't they include China in their data?
I don't know. I do know that in Wuhan the case load has leveled off at 50,000 in a city of 11,000,000. The province as a whole has a little under 60,000,000.
There's a lot of fear being fomented about this virus that, quite frankly, I don't think is warranted—and all this cancelling classes and sporting events, the things that we use to take our minds off this stuff, is only going to make that fear worse. We're trading a physical illness for mental illness.
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They did. Or tried to. But compared to the rest of the world their numbers are off the chart.
The data would extend way off to the right since China is a month or more past 1/capita, but they could still truncate that info to compare the trend. I can't help but wonder if their numbers are much higher due to the early part of the infection being prior to the disease even being identified. Or maybe they don't trust the data coming out of the Chicom government.
Still, it seems odd to exclude it entirely.
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There's a lot of fear being fomented about this virus that, quite frankly, I don't think is warranted—and all this cancelling classes and sporting events, the things that we use to take our minds off this stuff, is only going to make that fear worse. We're trading a physical illness for mental illness.
Not to mention how politicized it all has become.
Our idiot governor of Kentucky is asking churches to cancel services this weekend while leaving schools open for business. How does that make any sense? People in churches tend to sit in their pews and mind their own business, while schools are full of little disease-vectors who regularly bring all manner of viruses home to their families.
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Not to mention how politicized it all has become.
Our idiot governor of Kentucky is asking churches to cancel services this weekend while leaving schools open for business. How does that make any sense? People in churches tend to sit in their pews and mind their own business, while schools are full of little disease-vectors who regularly bring all manner of viruses home to their families.
Rome GA has a choir of folks in the hospital now.
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Not to mention how politicized it all has become.
Our idiot governor of Kentucky is asking churches to cancel services this weekend while leaving schools open for business. How does that make any sense? People in churches tend to sit in their pews and mind their own business, while schools are full of little disease-vectors who regularly bring all manner of viruses home to their families.
And again.... As far as I know..... NO ONE, under the age of 50 has died of this thing. Yes, we the elderly need to take precautions, but is it worth the damage being done to our economy?. The hysteria for this has been manufactured by the MSM to destroy Trump. These are depicable bastards.
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Coronavirus Can Live in Patients for Five Weeks After Contagion
Patients with the new coronavirus keep the pathogen in their respiratory tract for as long as 37 days, a new study found, suggesting they could remain infectious for many weeks.
In yet another sign of how difficult the pandemic may be to contain, doctors in China detected the virus’s RNA in respiratory samples from survivors for a median of 20 days after they became infected, they wrote in an article published in the Lancet medical journal.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-12/coronavirus-can-live-in-patients-for-five-weeks-after-contagion?srnd=premium (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-12/coronavirus-can-live-in-patients-for-five-weeks-after-contagion?srnd=premium)
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And again.... As far as I know..... NO ONE, under the age of 50 has died of this thing. Yes, we the elderly need to take precautions, but is it worth the damage being done to our economy?. The hysteria for this has been manufactured by the MSM to destroy Trump. These are depicable bastards.
I believe the whistle blower Chinese doctor who died was in his 30s.
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I believe the whistle blower Chinese doctor who died was in his 30s.
LOL... What do you think the Chicoms do with whistleblowers? I beleive that about as much as I beleive in the tooth fairy.
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LOL... What do you think the Chicoms do with whistleblowers? I beleive that about as much as I beleive in the tooth fairy.
LOLOLOLOL....was thinking the same thing.
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LOL... What do you think the Chicoms do with whistleblowers? I beleive that about as much as I beleive in the tooth fairy.
Me think the Government killed him and blamed the Wuhan Fiu.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ES2o5CQXQAEjTrA?format=jpg&name=small) (https://twitter.com/josueortc/status/1237831279082692615)
A chart showing the progression/spread of the virus. (credit: Josué Ortega Caro on Twitter)
Some things to note:
- Even the worst cases, per capita infection rates have not progressed beyond 0.1%. On the whole, even in the worst places, the chances of any individual person getting this are still quite low.
- This, of course, is cumulative: once a number is added, it's not taken away when they recover.
I wonder what Japan is doing differently to keep their numbers down.
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And again.... As far as I know..... NO ONE, under the age of 50 has died of this thing. Yes, we the elderly need to take precautions, but is it worth the damage being done to our economy?. The hysteria for this has been manufactured by the MSM to destroy Trump. These are depicable bastards.
People in their teens, 20s and 30s have died from Coronavirus. Just less of them.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/)
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People in their teens, 20s and 30s have died from Coronavirus. Just less of them.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/)
Might be a good time to put that "house dam" back up around your house to keep everyone away. :laugh: Here's praying everyone stays well.
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I wonder what Japan is doing differently to keep their numbers down.
In Japan, the government consolidated all relevant countermeasures and announced Basic Policies on Feb. 25, drawing on the expert analysis of leading infectious diseases scientists. The government has taken bold and timely measures such as restrictions on large-scale events and closure of schools.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/03/02/opinion/letters/japan-coronavirus.amp.html (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/03/02/opinion/letters/japan-coronavirus.amp.html)
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People in their teens, 20s and 30s have died from Coronavirus. Just less of them.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/)
0.2%? Come on... (1) Even those young demographic areas have individuals with pre-existing conditons that may put them at risk. (2) Areas, especially 3rd world have less than desireable public health standards, and the stats may have skewed in that respect.
Then tell me bud... How many Americans under the age of 50, without pre-existing conditons have died of COVID-19? Seems you want to stoke the flames of this hysteria.
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They did. Or tried to. But compared to the rest of the world their numbers are off the chart.
Not so. This is a logarithmic graph. Plenty of room for another magnitude or two to be added. We don't have Chinese data because Chicom data cannot be trusted.
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Might be a good time to put that "house dam" back up around your house to keep everyone away. :laugh: Here's praying everyone stays well.
Never thought I would say this, but I can't wait to get back out in the Gulf.
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Expert Explains Whether Cats Or Dogs Can Spread The Coronavirus
https://cheezburger.com/102134785/expert-explains-whether-cats-or-dogs-can-spread-the-coronavirus
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People in their teens, 20s and 30s have died from Coronavirus. Just less of them.
There are some disturbing reports coming out of Italy and Iran that people in their 40’s and 30’s are seriously ill from this, requiring intensive and invasive care in the ICU and many in that cohort dying from it. That makes me wonder if a mutation in the virus is to blame and that might be very bad news.
There has also been a disturbing number of doctors and nurses who are relatively young and healthy becoming seriously ill and with some dying from it.
But what we need to understand is that even if you are below the age of 60 and without underlying conditions and not likely to require ICU care or die, you can still become very ill from this.
I contracted influenza at age 39 back in the year 2000. I was very healthy and fit at the time but it me like a ton of bricks. I was out from work for over a week. I was barely able to get out of bed, was running a 102+ fever for days and the body aches felt like someone was smashing every joint in my body with a hammer.
Imagine a vast number of people getting COVID-19 who while they may likely live and eventually recover, being laid out sick for a week or more.
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There are some disturbing reports coming out of Italy and Iran that people in their 40’s and 30’s are seriously ill from this, requiring intensive and invasive care in the ICU and many in that cohort dying from it. That makes me wonder if a mutation in the virus is to blame and that might be very bad news.
There has also been a disturbing number of doctors and nurses who are relatively young and healthy becoming seriously ill and with some dying from it.
or more.
Interesting claims. Links or sources?
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There are some disturbing reports coming out of Italy and Iran that people in their 40’s and 30’s are seriously ill from this, requiring intensive and invasive care in the ICU and many in that cohort dying from it. That makes me wonder if a mutation in the virus is to blame and that might be very bad news.
There has also been a disturbing number of doctors and nurses who are relatively young and healthy becoming seriously ill and with some dying from it.
But what we need to understand is that even if you are below the age of 60 and without underlying conditions and not likely to require ICU care or die, you can still become very ill from this.
I contracted influenza at age 39 back in the year 2000. I was very healthy and fit at the time but it me like a ton of bricks. I was out from work for over a week. I was barely able to get out of bed, was running a 102+ fever for days and the body aches felt like someone was smashing every joint in my body with a hammer.
Imagine a vast number of people getting COVID-19 who while they may likely live and eventually recover, being laid out sick for a week or more.
I had a flu at age 30 & it was exactly as you describe. It got so bad at times that if I'da had access to a gun I'da ended it all right then. Had to wait it out at home - took ten days to get rid of.
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Cleveland Orchestra has cancelled this weekend's concerts at Severance Hall.
And we were going.... 8888crybaby
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Here’s How Long Coronavirus Can Live In The Air And On Surfaces: Study
https://dailycaller.com/2020/03/11/coronavirus-alive-air-plastic-steel/
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LOL... What do you think the Chicoms do with whistleblowers? I beleive that about as much as I beleive in the tooth fairy.
At least eight medical workers have died, including one doctor who was 29 and another who was 34.
https://www.businessinsider.com/why-coronavirus-killed-young-chinese-doctors-2020-2 (https://www.businessinsider.com/why-coronavirus-killed-young-chinese-doctors-2020-2)
Good luck proving they are all whistleblowers.
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Good luck proving they are all whistleblowers.
We don't know all the circumstances of these infections. Sometimes at ground zero, the viral pathology is at its most powerful, before somewhat of a dilution. The Chicoms have been so tight lipped on all aspects of this matter, who knows what we can believe from them
OTOH, if we can get some evidence that this virus is mutating into a worse one, with expanded demographic impact..... Then we can re-visit. Still there is no proof of that (mutation) at all at this point.
The main point is that at this exact moment, I have not seen any evidence of a fatality in the United States of a individual under the age of 50, without pre-existing condtions. Trying to make claims, even indirect of the this being deadly to the young is irresponsbile, and just adding fire to the flames of the hysteria already underway.
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I'm sure plenty of data can be found.
Someone initially seemed to make s claim I had not seen anywhere but I don't know if I missed something in the conversation but if it was asserted it hadn't killed anyone under 50, it should be for them to back up. If that was the assertion, it got refuted pretty quickly.
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Coronavirus by the numbers
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/03/coronavirus_by_the_numbers.html (https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/03/coronavirus_by_the_numbers.html)
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China's trying to blame the US for this:
https://www.foxnews.com/us/china-smear-united-states-coronavirus-wuhan (https://www.foxnews.com/us/china-smear-united-states-coronavirus-wuhan)
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Senator Cotton Closes Washington, D.C. Office
Washington, D.C. — Senator Tom Cotton (R-Arkansas) has temporarily closed his Washington, D.C. office to protect the health of his staff and to prevent the spread of the Wuhan virus. D.C. Staff will continue to work from home. Senator Cotton released the statement below concerning the closure:
“The Wuhan coronavirus is a grave challenge to our great nation. My first priority is always the safety of our people. Since I first heard reports of an unknown virus spreading in central China in early January, I have endeavored to protect you and your family from this menace. From the beginning, I have heeded the counsel of Benjamin Franklin: an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. I urge every American to do the same—as individuals, in their families, and at their workplaces and schools. Together, through prudent and responsible actions, we can arrest the spread of this virus and protect the health of our nation.
Effectively immediately, therefore, I have closed my Washington, D.C. office. An aide in another Senate office has tested positive for the Wuhan coronavirus; other congressional employees are likely to test positive in the days ahead. The most sensible course of action for the public and the congressional workforce under the circumstances is for my staff to telecommute. A weeklong congressional recess begins tomorrow, so the disruption to our in-office operations will be minimal. My D.C. office will remain closed through that recess. But my staff will be available to assist you promptly by email and phone, as always. I will remain at work for legislative business while the Senate is in session, and I will continue to work around the clock to protect you and our nation.
https://www.cotton.senate.gov/?p=press_release&id=1337 (https://www.cotton.senate.gov/?p=press_release&id=1337)
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Inside China's high-stakes campaign to smear the United States over coronavirus
If you listened to Chinese state-run media, you'd think President Trump went to China and released vials of COVID-19 on groups of unsuspecting men, women and children.
Beijing has been bending over backward trying to convince the world that the United States is the real culprit behind the quickly spreading virus that's already claimed more than 4,600 lives across the globe.
It's a high-stakes strategy for the Asian nation fighting to keep its superpower status amid a national lockdown and palpable anger over claims that Wuhan, China, the epicenter of the coronavirus, at first covered it up, triggering a worldwide health and economic crisis.
more
https://www.foxnews.com/us/china-smear-united-states-coronavirus-wuhan (https://www.foxnews.com/us/china-smear-united-states-coronavirus-wuhan)
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What life is like inside the coronavirus containment zone in New Rochelle, New York
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/12/us/new-rochelle-coronavirus-containment-area/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/12/us/new-rochelle-coronavirus-containment-area/index.html)
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Patient in Georgia:
Man battling coronavirus explains what it’s like, says “I ain’t never felt this badâ€
written by Paul Goldberg March 12, 2020
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ABC reports a man in Rome, Georgia, said he was initially sent home after he went to the hospital with flu-like symptoms and later tested positive for coronavirus.
Clay Bentley told ABC News on Wednesday that on March 1 he sang in the more-than-100-member choir at the Church at Liberty Square in Cartersville, Georgia.
Bentley said he went home after church and woke up Monday morning, feeling so sick he went to urgent care in Rome, Georgia. When they checked his vitals, he said, his oxygen levels were really low and he was sent to a hospital.
“I was so weak that I couldn’t even stand up,†he told ABC News.
More: https://newsthud.com/man-battling-coronavirus-explains-what-its-like-says-i-aint-never-felt-this-bad/
Yeah, pneumonia is like that.
Been there, done that.
No fun.
And he is fortunate in that he has never felt that bad before. I hope he recovers.
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I don't know. I do know that in Wuhan the case load has leveled off at 50,000 in a city of 11,000,000. The province as a whole has a little under 60,000,000.
There's a lot of fear being fomented about this virus that, quite frankly, I don't think is warranted—and all this cancelling classes and sporting events, the things that we use to take our minds off this stuff, is only going to make that fear worse. We're trading a physical illness for mental illness.
Spot on, @jmyrlefuller !
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Good luck proving they are all whistleblowers.
Any doctor working in a hospital in the thick of this outbreak will be severely run down, physically, getting little sleep, questionable nutrition, and near constant exposure to not only this, but a variety of pathogens. Under those circumstances people are especially susceptible to disease.
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Any doctor working in a hospital in the thick of this outbreak will be severely run down, physically, getting little sleep, questionable nutrition, and near constant exposure to not only this, but a variety of pathogens. Under those circumstances people are especially susceptible to disease.
They were still under 50. Are we saying nobody dies from this under 50 or not? That's the simple question.
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Inside China's high-stakes campaign to smear the United States over coronavirus
If you listened to Chinese state-run media, you'd think President Trump went to China and released vials of COVID-19 on groups of unsuspecting men, women and children.
Beijing has been bending over backward trying to convince the world that the United States is the real culprit behind the quickly spreading virus that's already claimed more than 4,600 lives across the globe.
It's a high-stakes strategy for the Asian nation fighting to keep its superpower status amid a national lockdown and palpable anger over claims that Wuhan, China, the epicenter of the coronavirus, at first covered it up, triggering a worldwide health and economic crisis.
more
https://www.foxnews.com/us/china-smear-united-states-coronavirus-wuhan (https://www.foxnews.com/us/china-smear-united-states-coronavirus-wuhan)
Funny, how..... in a normal, sane, "not surreal" world.... what China has done would automatically be considered an act of war. That we have been letting China get away with previous acts of war via hacking, intellectual property theft, and other criminal acts, just makes this the cherry on top. I don't get it. What part of "this means war" are people unable or unwilling to comprehend? :shrug: :shrug: :shrug:
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China says coronavirus cases on decline after hitting peak in epicenter
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/public-global-health/487208-china-says-coronavirus-cases-declining-after-hitting-peak-in-epicenter
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They were still under 50. Are we saying nobody dies from this under 50 or not? That's the simple question.
And again, name one case in the United States of someone under 50 without pre-existing conditions dying? That's a simple counter, and paramount to the issue of hysteria you are helping to perpetuate.
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Ted Cruz
@tedcruz
Now, if it’s Devil Went Down To Georgia...then all bets are off!
10:37 AM · Mar 12, 2020·Twitter for iPhone
https://twitter.com/tedcruz/status/1238126911773081601
Other comments at his twitter page.
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0.2%? Come on... (1) Even those young demographic areas have individuals with pre-existing conditons that may put them at risk. (2) Areas, especially 3rd world have less than desireable public health standards, and the stats may have skewed in that respect.
Then tell me bud... How many Americans under the age of 50, without pre-existing conditons have died of COVID-19? Seems you want to stoke the flames of this hysteria.
We have done a very good job in the US containing the spread of infection. But until a vaccine is created, it is only a matter of time before most become infected. It is really a race at this time of infection rate versus vaccine production. Our economy (or any countries) cannot withstand what we have already started trying to contain it. That is the reason US deaths and infections are so low. Go look at Italy if you want to see what the death rate really is even under modern health care. Yes, they have an older population, but it is just a few years old average.
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They were still under 50. Are we saying nobody dies from this under 50 or not? That's the simple question.
Anyone making such a claim is either a liar or a fool at this point.
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Scary stats --
Coronavirus can remain in air for 3 hours, live on plastic for days, new study says
A new study suggests that the novel coronavirus COVID-19 can remain in the air for up to three hours, and live on surfaces such as plastic and stainless steel for up to three days.
The research, published in the medRxiv depository, also notes that the virus can remain on copper surfaces for four hours and carboard for up to 24 hours. The research found it could stay on stainless steel and plastic for anywhere between two and three days.
"Our results indicate that aerosol and fomite transmission of HCoV-19 is plausible, as the virus can remain viable in aerosols for multiple hours and on surfaces up to days," the researchers wrote in the study, which has not yet been peer-reviewed.
Another study published in February concluded that if COVID-19 is similar to other coronaviruses, such as SARS or MERS, it could live on surfaces like metal, glass and plastic for up to nine days, Fox News previously reported. By comparison, the flu virus can only live on surfaces for approximately 48 hours.
That study, published in the Journal of Hospital Infection, suggested that coronaviruses could be "efficiently inactivated" with disinfectants that contain "62–71 percent ethanol, 0.5 percent hydrogen peroxide or 0.1 percent sodium hypochlorite within 1 minute," adding that other agents that contain "0.05–0.2% benzalkonium chloride or 0.02 percent chlorhexidine digluconate are less effective."......
https://www.foxnews.com/health/coronavirus-live-plastic-stainless-steel-for-up-to-3-days (https://www.foxnews.com/health/coronavirus-live-plastic-stainless-steel-for-up-to-3-days)
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And again, name one case in the United States of someone under 50 without pre-existing conditions dying? That's a simple counter, and paramount to the issue of hysteria you are helping to perpetuate.
While not minimizing the threat this flu presents its time to acknowledge that COVID19 has been totally co-opted by the international left in their effort to effect a desired political outcome.
And IMO that is a far far more dangerous threat.
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Scary stats --
Coronavirus can remain in air for 3 hours, live on plastic for days, new study says
A new study suggests that the novel coronavirus COVID-19 can remain in the air for up to three hours, and live on surfaces such as plastic and stainless steel for up to three days.
The research, published in the medRxiv depository, also notes that the virus can remain on copper surfaces for four hours and carboard for up to 24 hours. The research found it could stay on stainless steel and plastic for anywhere between two and three days.
"Our results indicate that aerosol and fomite transmission of HCoV-19 is plausible, as the virus can remain viable in aerosols for multiple hours and on surfaces up to days," the researchers wrote in the study, which has not yet been peer-reviewed.
Another study published in February concluded that if COVID-19 is similar to other coronaviruses, such as SARS or MERS, it could live on surfaces like metal, glass and plastic for up to nine days, Fox News previously reported. By comparison, the flu virus can only live on surfaces for approximately 48 hours.
That study, published in the Journal of Hospital Infection, suggested that coronaviruses could be "efficiently inactivated" with disinfectants that contain "62–71 percent ethanol, 0.5 percent hydrogen peroxide or 0.1 percent sodium hypochlorite within 1 minute," adding that other agents that contain "0.05–0.2% benzalkonium chloride or 0.02 percent chlorhexidine digluconate are less effective."......
https://www.foxnews.com/health/coronavirus-live-plastic-stainless-steel-for-up-to-3-days (https://www.foxnews.com/health/coronavirus-live-plastic-stainless-steel-for-up-to-3-days)
Yes, thanks. That's a good article and I believe some of this was posted earlier or on one of the bigger boards.
So, I get it, of the people who get it, it is an extremely small amount who die but, are we suppose to just live with it, no matter how big it could get?
I mean, when I read this, this seems to mean that even if you were in a car with someone, there'd be a risk to get it and though, the kill-ratio is low, it is highly contagious.
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We have done a very good job in the US containing the spread of infection. But until a vaccine is created, it is only a matter of time before most become infected. It is really a race at this time of infection rate versus vaccine production. Our economy (or any countries) cannot withstand what we have already started trying to contain it. That is the reason US deaths and infections are so low. Go look at Italy if you want to see what the death rate really is even under modern health care. Yes, they have an older population, but it is just a few years old average.
The death rates for the under 50 in the US are low likely because they get good medical care and are nominally healthy enough to fight through this with that care.
When this becomes wide spread and there isn't enough resources to deal with it a lot of people go without care and you get what's happening to Italy now. Cases where the person would have otherwise survived don't because they didn't get enough access to treatment to give their body enough time to fight it off.
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They were still under 50. Are we saying nobody dies from this under 50 or not? That's the simple question.
Never say never. :shrug: It seems there are exceptions to any generalization.
But I think it is disingenuous to 1: Compare health workers in the thick of things with the general population, if for no other reason than guaranteed exposure. and
2: While there will be a small fraction of the population (well under half a percent) who may die, it is likely those people will have some preexisting condition which makes treatment more problematical.
So, let's rephrase the generalization to include only average, ordinary folks who were in reasonably good health living reasonably healthy lifestyles, and we will see the risk to any one person in that age group is statistically very small.
For instance, as of a couple days ago, I read the average age of those who died from COVID-19 was 81.
Youngsters (under 50, and certainly under 30), without preexisting conditions which complicate treatment, seem to do very well against the pathogen.
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While not minimizing the threat this flu presents its time to acknowledge that COVID19 has been totally co-opted by the international left in their effort to effect a desired political outcome.
And IMO that is a far far more dangerous threat.
Amen! :amen:
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While not minimizing the threat this flu presents its time to acknowledge that COVID19 has been totally co-opted by the international left in their effort to effect a desired political outcome.
And IMO that is a far far more dangerous threat.
Exactly. This was a MSM / dim premedicated event from the outset. Notice we didn't see the same hysteria for H1N1, SARS, or MERS?
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Never say never. :shrug: It seems there are exceptions to any generalization.
But I think it is disingenuous to 1: Compare health workers in the thick of things with the general population, if for no other reason than guaranteed exposure. and
2: While there will be a small fraction of the population (well under half a percent) who may die, it is likely those people will have some preexisting condition which makes treatment more problematical.
So, let's rephrase the generalization to include only average, ordinary folks who were in reasonably good health living reasonably healthy lifestyles, and we will see the risk to any one person in that age group is statistically very small.
For instance, as of a couple days ago, I read the average age of those who died from COVID-19 was 81.
Youngsters (under 50, and certainly under 30), without preexisting conditions which complicate treatment, seem to do very well against the pathogen.
And still, with a complicit MSM, we are bascially shutting down the country, with all the economic carnage that has ensued.
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Never say never. :shrug: It seems there are exceptions to any generalization.
But I think it is disingenuous to 1: Compare health workers in the thick of things with the general population, if for no other reason than guaranteed exposure. and
2: While there will be a small fraction of the population (well under half a percent) who may die, it is likely those people will have some preexisting condition which makes treatment more problematical.
So, let's rephrase the generalization to include only average, ordinary folks who were in reasonably good health living reasonably healthy lifestyles, and we will see the risk to any one person in that age group is statistically very small.
For instance, as of a couple days ago, I read the average age of those who died from COVID-19 was 81.
Youngsters (under 50, and certainly under 30), without preexisting conditions which complicate treatment, seem to do very well against the pathogen.
It's also disingenuous to make a claim with NO backup what so ever.
So, one asserts nobody under 50 is dying from this. Okay, is there any backup? I'm the King of the Netherlands too, nice to not have to back up any claims.
Everyone knows that the elderly are much more at risk here but that is different than asserting there are no deaths under 50.
And again, the statement from what I understand and I could be wrong, is that there are no deaths under 50. I can probably find info saying the average age of those who die is 81, I saw that the other day but nonetheless, we are talking of a statement without backup.
You have people in hazmat suits. What's next? Find that one of them died under 40 and now claim it's disingenuous to mention them because they are working in moving bodies? One can always do that, maybe the person has a weak immune system, they inherited it? I'm sure, we can find something for virtually everyone who has died from the disease.
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Exactly. This was a MSM / dim premedicated event from the outset. Notice we didn't see the same hysteria for H1N1, SARS, or MERS?
I'm afraid we will begin to see other countries begin to coordinate with the US rat media. China is already attempting to revise the storyline in order to blame the US. Why would the left be suddenly so critical of any reference to it's Chinese origins?
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Brazilian Official Who Met With Trump and Pence Tests Positive For Coronavirus: Report
written by J.C McCallum March 12, 2020
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More: https://newsthud.com/brazilian-official-who-met-with-trump-and-pence-tests-positive-for-coronavirus-report/ (https://newsthud.com/brazilian-official-who-met-with-trump-and-pence-tests-positive-for-coronavirus-report/)
So, someone probably beat me to this, they did on the NBA and Tom Hanks stories but now, we have another twist, see article for details.
Posted here too: http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,394833.msg2166945/topicseen.html#msg2166945 (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,394833.msg2166945/topicseen.html#msg2166945)
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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-12/coronavirus-can-live-in-patients-for-five-weeks-after-contagion (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-12/coronavirus-can-live-in-patients-for-five-weeks-after-contagion)
Coronavirus Can Live in Patients for Five Weeks After Contagion
Patients with the new coronavirus keep the pathogen in their respiratory tract for as long as 37 days, a new study found, suggesting they could remain infectious for many weeks.
In yet another sign of how difficult the pandemic may be to contain, doctors in China detected the virus’s RNA in respiratory samples from survivors for a median of 20 days after they became infected, they wrote in an article published in the Lancet medical journal.
The new coronavirus has spread to 118 countries and infected about 125,000 people since first emerging in Wuhan, China, at the end of last year, evading drastic efforts by local authorities and subsequent containment attempts in other nations.
more at link
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I can't stand all this back and forth any more. Just give it to me already. Let's get it over with.
For God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of a sound mind.
2 Timothy 1:7
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https://nypost.com/2020/03/12/monkeys-fight-for-food-in-thailand-after-coronavirus-slows-tourism/
Monkeys fight for food in Thailand after coronavirus slows tourism
The coronavirus could be behind a vicious gang war — between rival groups of monkeys in the streets of Thailand.
Hundreds of macaques reportedly from two rival gangs were filmed swarming the streets of Lopburi then savagely battling each other for a single banana.
The monkeys are usually well-fed thanks to the tourists who flood the city in central Thailand — but are going hungry because of the drastic drop in visitors to the Asian nation because of COVID-19 fears.
“I think the monkeys were very, very hungry,†onlooker Sasaluk Rattanachai, who filmed the fight, told DailyMail.com.
“There’s normally a lot of tourists here to feed the monkeys but now there are not as many, because of the coronavirus.â€
Rattanachai said they “looked more like wild dogs than monkeys.â€
Isn't this how Planet of the Apes started?
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It was said and I said it, there appears to be no deaths among the 0-9 years old age group.
But after that, there is a chance, no matter how small that shows, that there are then, deaths in every age group:
(https://newsobservatory.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Here-are-the-coronavirus-mortality-rates-by-age-group.jpg)
Now, if one wants to say 97.5% or more of those who die from the coronavirus are over 50, that may well be so but it does seem like saying only those over 50 have died of the coronavirus as an absolute statement is false. I think that's all I've been saying.
And the story may well be different out of Iran and so forth. Our knowledge is limited.
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https://nypost.com/2020/03/12/monkeys-fight-for-food-in-thailand-after-coronavirus-slows-tourism/
Monkeys fight for food in Thailand after coronavirus slows tourism
Isn't this how Planet of the Apes started?
Don't worry, someone somewhere is blaming Trump for it.
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It was said and I said it, there appears to be no deaths among the 0-9 years old age group.
But after that, there is a chance, no matter how small that shows, that there are then, deaths in every age group:
(https://newsobservatory.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Here-are-the-coronavirus-mortality-rates-by-age-group.jpg)
Now, if one wants to say 97.5% or more of those who die from the coronavirus are over 50, that may well be so but it does seem like saying only those over 50 is an absolute statement that is false. I think that's all I've been saying.
That is pretty amazing... in my age group less than 1% chance of dying from this... assuming i'm even infected.
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It was said and I said it, there appears to be no deaths among the 0-9 years old age group.
But after that, there is a chance, no matter how small that shows, that there are then, deaths in every age group:
(https://newsobservatory.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Here-are-the-coronavirus-mortality-rates-by-age-group.jpg)
Now, if one wants to say 97.5% or more of those who die from the coronavirus are over 50, that may well be so but it does seem like saying only those over 50 is an absolute statement that is false. I think that's all I've been saying.
This may save Social Security for a couple decades. (oh how I wish that was sarcasm)
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It was said and I said it, there appears to be no deaths among the 0-9 years old age group.
But after that, there is a chance, no matter how small that shows, that there are then, deaths in every age group:
(https://newsobservatory.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Here-are-the-coronavirus-mortality-rates-by-age-group.jpg)
Now, if one wants to say 97.5% or more of those who die from the coronavirus are over 50, that may well be so but it does seem like saying only those over 50 have died of the coronavirus as an absolute statement is false. I think that's all I've been saying.
And the story may well be different out of Iran and so forth. Our knowledge is limited.
Interesting but source is China... not sure I trust a damn thing they say.
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Don't worry, someone somewhere is blaming Trump for it.
Harsh, but fair.
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Now, if one wants to say 97.5% or more of those who die from the coronavirus are over 50, that may well be so but it does seem like saying only those over 50 is an absolute statement that is false. I think that's all I've been saying.
For the 3rd f'n time..... You convienently left off "pre-existing condtions" to that statement. Yes, some under 50 can die, if they have heart, lung, or other maladies that the CDC has described. AGAIN.... LIST ONE SINGLE PERSON UNDER 50 WITHOUT PREEXISTING CONDITONS WHO HAS DIED OF CORONOVIRUS IN THE UNITED STATES. Otherwise , STFU, and quit stoking the fire of fear and hysteria.
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Interesting claims. Links or sources?
Several young doctors in China have died of the coronavirus. Medical workers are far more vulnerable to infection than the general population.
https://www.businessinsider.com/why-coronavirus-killed-young-chinese-doctors-2020-2 (https://www.businessinsider.com/why-coronavirus-killed-young-chinese-doctors-2020-2)
Italian doctor at heart of illness shares chilling coronavirus thoughts
https://nypost.com/2020/03/10/italian-doctor-at-heart-of-illness-shares-chilling-coronavirus-thoughts/ (https://nypost.com/2020/03/10/italian-doctor-at-heart-of-illness-shares-chilling-coronavirus-thoughts/)
Essentially, 14 men went on a ski trip to Northern Italy. All have become ill, and all 14 have tested positive for coronavirus. Of the 14, four needed to be hospitalized, and of the four patients, three are very ill as I write this. One had a significant pre-existing medical condition. The other three did not, and are relatively young.'
Doctor treating coronavirus patients demands schools shut down IMMEDIATELY as he reveals three 'relatively young' men near LA celebrity suburb Calabasas are 'very ill' after contracting disease on Italian ski trip
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8094515/Doctor-treating-coronavirus-patients-LA-suburb-calls-schools-shut-immediately.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8094515/Doctor-treating-coronavirus-patients-LA-suburb-calls-schools-shut-immediately.html)
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Top hospital Cleveland Clinic develops a coronavirus test that will deliver results in just EIGHT HOURS compared to 2 to 7 days needed for other tests
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-8104803/Top-hospital-Cleveland-Clinic-develops-coronavirus-test-deliver-results-EIGHT-HOURS.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-8104803/Top-hospital-Cleveland-Clinic-develops-coronavirus-test-deliver-results-EIGHT-HOURS.html)
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Harsh, but fair.
A sparrow doesn't fall that Trump did not personally kill. For an anti-Trump you sure do ascribe God-like abilities to him.
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Several young doctors in China have died of the coronavirus. Medical workers are far more vulnerable to infection than the general population.
https://www.businessinsider.com/why-coronavirus-killed-young-chinese-doctors-2020-2 (https://www.businessinsider.com/why-coronavirus-killed-young-chinese-doctors-2020-2)
Italian doctor at heart of illness shares chilling coronavirus thoughts
https://nypost.com/2020/03/10/italian-doctor-at-heart-of-illness-shares-chilling-coronavirus-thoughts/ (https://nypost.com/2020/03/10/italian-doctor-at-heart-of-illness-shares-chilling-coronavirus-thoughts/)
Doctor treating coronavirus patients demands schools shut down IMMEDIATELY as he reveals three 'relatively young' men near LA celebrity suburb Calabasas are 'very ill' after contracting disease on Italian ski trip
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8094515/Doctor-treating-coronavirus-patients-LA-suburb-calls-schools-shut-immediately.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8094515/Doctor-treating-coronavirus-patients-LA-suburb-calls-schools-shut-immediately.html)
Medical personnel would be more likely to get the infection but I would expect they also would be more likely to be generally healthy and get proper medical care early.
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Don't worry, someone somewhere is blaming Trump for it.
China is right now blaming the USA for the Wuhan Coronavirus. No kidding.
https://www.google.com/search?q=china+blames+us+for+coronavirus&oq=china+blames+&aqs=chrome.2.69i57j0l4.5286j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 (https://www.google.com/search?q=china+blames+us+for+coronavirus&oq=china+blames+&aqs=chrome.2.69i57j0l4.5286j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8)
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Those graphs on who dies from the Coronavirus have been around a while. This thread started in January I believe so it might have been posted already in it. This is just about what we already know versus if someone makes a statement, that appears patently false on what we already know. One can say it's a minute amount but what if the Coronavirus caught on in the US and some age group has a .4% chance of dying? We have 330 million people approximately. That's still going to add up.
Also add in variables such as the possibility of the virus mutating, it's like that NY Post article says, we don't want to underestimate how it could be dangerous.
https://nypost.com/2020/03/10/italian-doctor-at-heart-of-illness-shares-chilling-coronavirus-thoughts/
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This may save Social Security for a couple decades.
Nothing can 'save' Social Security. It's a ponzi scheme.
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Nothing can 'save' Social Security. It's a ponzi scheme.
Agreed. That is why I only extended it, not make it sustainable.
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China is right now blaming the USA for the Wuhan Coronavirus. No kidding.
https://www.google.com/search?q=china+blames+us+for+coronavirus&oq=china+blames+&aqs=chrome.2.69i57j0l4.5286j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 (https://www.google.com/search?q=china+blames+us+for+coronavirus&oq=china+blames+&aqs=chrome.2.69i57j0l4.5286j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8)
China is making a silk purse from a sow's ear. They see the left trying to take down the hated Trump with this disease and they're jumping in to help.
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For the 3rd f'n time..... You convienently left off "pre-existing condtions" to that statement. Yes, some under 50 can die, if they have heart, lung, or other maladies that the CDC has described. AGAIN.... LIST ONE SINGLE PERSON UNDER 50 WITHOUT PREEXISTING CONDITONS WHO HAS DIED OF CORONOVIRUS IN THE UNITED STATES. Otherwise , STFU, and quit stoking the fire of fear and hysteria.
I also have heard/read that people with pre-existing conditions who have taken care of themselves; i.e., take their meds, exercise and watch their diet, also have fared much better than those with pre-existing conditions, who just let themselves go.
Bottom line people -- stop the hysteria. Those over 50 need to take added precautions. I'm 63 years old, a few pounds over weight, I take my meds, watch what I eat and exercise religiously. I walk just under 2 miles a day in 40 minutes. Nope, I am not a spring chicken by any means, but my cholesterol is way down, and other than my sugar slightly elevated (just started meds), my lab work came back very good. Not going out in public as much as I used to, but that is my choice to limit my exposure for the time being as it is flu season as well and I've always taken extra precautions this time of year.
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China is right now blaming the USA for the Wuhan Coronavirus. No kidding.
https://www.google.com/search?q=china+blames+us+for+coronavirus&oq=china+blames+&aqs=chrome.2.69i57j0l4.5286j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 (https://www.google.com/search?q=china+blames+us+for+coronavirus&oq=china+blames+&aqs=chrome.2.69i57j0l4.5286j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8)
I read that! It's NUTS!
I wouldn't think even the average Democrat would believe that we started the virus and then blamed them.
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I also have heard/read that people with pre-existing conditions who have taken care of themselves; i.e., take their meds, exercise and watch their diet, also have fared much better than those with pre-existing conditions, who just let themselves go.
Bottom line people -- stop the hysteria. Those over 50 need to take added precautions. I'm 63 years old, a few pounds over weight, I take my meds, watch what I eat and exercise religiously. I walk just under 2 miles a day in 40 minutes. Nope, I am not a spring chicken by any means, but my cholesterol is way down, and other than my sugar slightly elevated (just started meds), my lab work came back very good. Not going out in public as much as I used to, but that is my choice to limit my exposure for the time being as it is flu season as well and I've always taken extra precautions this time of year.
Well put. Our circumstances are pretty similar. We shop for groceries at night to avoid the crowds, we bring chlorox wipes to disinfect the carts, additonal Vitamin C supplements which may or may not help, limiting external contact to what is absolutely necessary. I am over 60, with a few minor pre-existing condtions. I am not panicing, but am taking smart common sense precautions.
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I had a flu at age 30 & it was exactly as you describe. It got so bad at times that if I'da had access to a gun I'da ended it all right then. Had to wait it out at home - took ten days to get rid of.
@skeeter
I the first time I was aware I had ever contracted influenza was in late 1978 when I was in HS – the “Russian Fluâ€. That flu was a variant of H1N1 and while not a lethal, was related to the Spanish Flu and some believe because the variant was one which is unlikely to appear in nature due to antigenic drift – it was speculated that the outbreak was due to a laboratory incident in Russia or Northern China, though this was denied by scientists in those countries. It infected mostly children and young adults under 25; because a similar strain was prevalent in 1947–57, most adults had substantial immunity. It was deemed and epidemic because it only infected a small portion of the population and while virulent, highly contagious, it wasn’t particularly deadly.
I got up that morning feeling a bit more tired than usual but not sick and so went to school.
It was during 2nd period class when I started to feel unwell – hot flashes followed by chills followed by more hot flashes and chills, a really bad headache, a bit of a sore throat and body aches and fatigue, not being able to concentrate.
After the 3d period class I went to the school nurse’s office where there were many dozens of others with similar symptoms. When the poor overworked school nurse finally got to me, I had a 102 fever. But I had no way to get home other than taking the bus. My mother never learned to drive and my father worked construction so there wasn’t any way to reach him and my older brother and SIL were both at work and couldn’t be reached. But by now the school day was almost over anyway.
So I stayed in the nurse’s office until school let out and I boarded the bus. I sort of remember getting off the bus and walking the some 10 blocks home, but it was a struggle, there were times I had to stop to catch my breath because I felt so weak and also to look around me to make sure I was on the right path home because by now I was feeling a bit delirious and not 100% sure of where I was.
When I finally got home, I dropped my book bag and coat in middle of the living room and walked straight to my bedroom without saying a word and got into bed with my clothes still on. My mother came into my room to check on me and my fever was near 104 and my head felt like it had been split open by an axe. She had to draw the blinds and curtains in my room shut because the light hurt my eyes so. I was sick in bed for a bit less than a week. With that flu, the thing I remember most was the headache and fatigue. By the time I was well enough to go back to school I learned that nearly half of my school had been out sick with it the same week I was but the other half out the following week when I got back. Plus a lot of the younger teachers. In about 3 weeks it had run its course and no one else was getting sick.
In 2002 I got the flu again. I woke up that Tuesday morning feeling unusually tired and a bit out of sorts even though I had gone to bed early and thought I had gotten a good night’s sleep. I didn’t have much of an appetite but forced myself to eat a pastry and drink some coffee.
After getting to work, I felt very chilled, I put on a sweater and drank some hot tea but couldn’t feel warm, felt chilled to the bone. At around 9 AM my boss came by to ask me a question and was taken back how extremely pale I looked and asked me if I was OK. I told him I was but soon after I became nauseous and ran to the bathroom and threw up several times. I was also getting a sore throat by then. I went home, my boss insisting that I leave, at around 10A.
By the time I got home, and I don’t remember much of the drive, I threw up some more and also had diarrhea. Vomiting and diarrhea are not typical for influenza excepting in very young children but I had it. And by now my throat was on fire and I started coughing, and coughing a lot but a dry and unproductive cough. Then over the next few hours my chest became tight and congested and I developed rattling breathing, coughing that wouldn’t stop but didn’t bring anything up even as I could feel the congestion and soon my chest hurt with nearly every breath. I also had a high fever and body aches like I’d never had before. It felt like someone was taking a hammer and hitting and crushing every joint in my body over and over again, and even my skin and my eyeballs ached and while not possible, it seemed as if even my hair hurt.
Keep in mind that this all came on staring that morning with feeling a bit tired to feeling like I was going to die by late that afternoon. That’s influenza. And how it is much different from a cold.
I called my husband at his work and told him I was home sick and asked him to bring home some ginger ale and that he was on his own as far as making dinner. He asked if I needed anything else and sort of jokingly said, “yes - a coffinâ€. Later that evening, he wanted to take me to the ER but I decided it was better to try to ride it out and take Tylenol and stay hydrated and wait and see if it got worse the next day. Frankly the thought of getting off the couch and out from under the blankets, getting a shower, getting dressed, walking to the car … I was just too exhausted.
I spent the next 5 days on the couch or in the recliner (I knew enough to know that if you have chest congestion and want to avoid if possible pneumonia, it was better to sit up a bit rather than lying flat all the time). I was so miserable with the body aches and the coughing that I was tossing and turning, not sleeping much if at all, so I didn’t want to keep my husband up or increasing the chance of him getting sick by sleeping in our bed. Plus, being on the couch or recliner meant there was a TV to watch when I couldn’t sleep and a bathroom and a kitchen nearby and no stairs to go up or down.
I called my boss that Wednesday to let him know I was probably going to be out for the rest of the week and he told me that many other people (about half) in our department had gone home sick or called in sick, not to worry, he and those left would manage. Thank goodness it wasn’t a payroll processing week because that was my main job and at the time I didn’t have a backup.
By that Sunday I was starting to feel better and my husband convinced me to get a shower, get dressed and go to the grocery store with him, said the fresh air and the walking would do me good and I agreed.
But after we got to the grocery store, I insisted on pushing the grocery cart because I was still feeling so weak that I needed it to lean on.
I’ve been getting the flu shot ever since. The only year I didn’t was in 2012 and yes, I got the flu that year but it was not a severe case. But so did my very healthy 30-year-old nephew who ended up in the hospital with pneumonia.
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Well put. Our circumstances are pretty similar. We shop for groceries at night to avoid the crowds, we bring chlorox wipes to disinfect the carts, additonal Vitamin C supplements which may or may not help, limiting external contact to what is absolutely necessary. I am over 60, with a few minor pre-existing condtions. I am not panicing, but am taking smart common sense precautions.
That's what we all need to do.
This is not the end of the world, and inducing panic is the worst thing that can be done.
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A sparrow doesn't fall that Trump did not personally kill. For an anti-Trump you sure do ascribe God-like abilities to him.
If you can't defend the IMPOTUS or his inaction over the Trump-virus, attack the people who are complaining about it.
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If you can't defend the IMPOTUS or his inaction over the Trump-virus, attack the people who are complaining about it.
OK, seriously: shut up.
This is not the time.
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If you can't defend the IMPOTUS or his inaction over the Trump-virus, attack the people who are complaining about it.
Or you can include lies in your tagline about what the President said.
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@skeeter
I the first time I was aware I had ever contracted influenza was in late 1978 when I was in HS – the “Russian Fluâ€.
That all sounds so familiar. My bout was in 89, during my honeymoon - hit me in the middle of the night in Hawaii. When I couldn't take anymore I stumbled out four or five blocks through a torrential downpour to get to the Hyatt, where there was an all night doctor on call. I collapsed in an elevator and was nearly thrown out by hotel security who thought I was drunk.
Finally made it to the doctor who gave me a shot of antibiotics in the arse.
It didn't help. Ended up cutting the holiday short and going home to recover.
Flu happens - I'll never underestimate it. We should do all we can to avoid it, but this current situation is out of hand.
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If you can't defend the IMPOTUS or his inaction over the Trump-virus, attack the people who are complaining about it.
I don't bother defending Trump to you, @Once-Ler. It's like trying to teach a pig to dance. It won't be successful and it annoys the pig.
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If you can't defend the IMPOTUS or his inaction over the Trump-virus, attack the people who are complaining about it.
He has acted very quickly; he has met with big pharma and those working on a vaccine to expedite processes, he has shut down travel from various different parts of the world into the U.S. as well now from Europe, he has asked Congress for $$ to handle the situation along with requesting stopping payroll taxes to boost the economy along with small business loans, fees waived on testing for the virus, etc., he has put Pence in charge who has set up different protocols. Trump has met with the WHO and CDC. He has also requested quarantines.
Maybe as an American citizen doing your part to stand together in all of this might be appreciated instead of playing your usual part in ripping apart this President. Just sayin'
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China is making a silk purse from a sow's ear. They see the left trying to take down the hated Trump with this disease and they're jumping in to help.
I believe that to be the truth.
I believe there is a terrible virus. I believe the USA left are hell bent to use it to maximum political advantage.
Alinsky: "Never let a crisis go to waste"
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Just hear on Rush...the Democrats are suing to stop Trump from closing air travel from Europe.
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OK, seriously: shut up.
This is not the time.
As you command @jmyrlefuller
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He has acted very quickly; he has met with big pharma and those working on a vaccine to expedite processes, he has shut down travel from various different parts of the world into the U.S. as well now from Europe, he has asked Congress for $$ to handle the situation along with requesting stopping payroll taxes to boost the economy along with small business loans, fees waived on testing for the virus, etc., he has put Pence in charge who has set up different protocols. Trump has met with the WHO and CDC. He has also requested quarantines.
Maybe as an American citizen doing your part to stand together in all of this might be appreciated instead of playing your usual part in ripping apart this President. Just sayin'
With the Left all the world is political, and gaining an advantage is the only cause worth pursuing.
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As you command @jmyrlefuller
I'm with @jmyrlefuller .
Shut up.
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I'm with @jmyrlefuller .
Shut up.
And fix your tagline.
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NHL suspends season indefinitely due to coronavirus concerns
https://www.usatoday.com/ (https://www.usatoday.com/)
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That's what we all need to do.
This is not the end of the world, and inducing panic is the worst thing that can be done.
@musiclady my neighbor went to the liquor store this morning. She’s telecommuting. At 11 am the line to get in was out the door, and the cashiers lines were all open and she said the lines to check out were like Black Friday. And people were buying booze like the world will end in 48 hours so let’s get drunk.....
Weird.
:martini: :beer:
Wait. Since I don’t drink, should I buy ice cream and a Magic Mike DVD?.
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@musiclady my neighbor went to the liquor store this morning. She’s telecommuting. At 11 am the line to get in was out the door, and the cashiers lines were all open and she said the lines to check out were like Black Friday. And people were buying booze like the world will end in 48 hours so let’s get drunk.....
Weird.
:martini: :beer:
Wait. Since I don’t drink, should I buy ice cream and a Magic Mike DVD?.
People are just weird. That's all.
But buying ice cream instead of alcohol.......... now THERE's a thought! happy77
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The local Six Flags Over Jesus megachurch just canceled all services for this weekend.
Southeast Christian Church will be meeting exclusively online this weekend. We welcome you to join us online on all of our church-wide digital platforms: YouTube, Facebook, and online.southeastchristian.org, which airs Sunday mornings at 9:15 a.m., 11:30 a.m., 2:00 p.m., and 8:00 p.m.
https://www.southeastchristian.org/update (https://www.southeastchristian.org/update)
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@musiclady my neighbor went to the liquor store this morning. She’s telecommuting. At 11 am the line to get in was out the door, and the cashiers lines were all open and she said the lines to check out were like Black Friday. And people were buying booze like the world will end in 48 hours so let’s get drunk.....
Weird.
I experienced the same thing with the local crack dealer.
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And MLB is suspending spring training and pushing back the start of the season.
8888crybaby
https://mlb.nbcsports.com/2020/03/12/major-league-baseball-expected-to-suspend-spring-training-today/ (https://mlb.nbcsports.com/2020/03/12/major-league-baseball-expected-to-suspend-spring-training-today/)
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@musiclady my neighbor went to the liquor store this morning. She’s telecommuting. At 11 am the line to get in was out the door, and the cashiers lines were all open and she said the lines to check out were like Black Friday. And people were buying booze like the world will end in 48 hours so let’s get drunk.....
Weird.
:martini: :beer:
Wait. Since I don’t drink, should I buy ice cream and a Magic Mike DVD?.
We lived in Sunnyvale CA across from a 7/11 at the time of the '89 quake. People were lined up out the door following the shaker.
The next day I took a look inside - it was cleaned out. Food, water, soft drinks, combs, pens, paper, insecticide... everything was gone.
People ARE weird.
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We lived in Sunnyvale CA across from a 7/11 at the time of the '89 quake. People were lined up out the door following the shaker.
The next day I took a look inside - it was cleaned out. Food, water, soft drinks, combs, pens, paper, insecticide... everything was gone.
People ARE weird.
Yep, Jim Morrison pegged it. Who would have thunk it?
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It's also disingenuous to make a claim with NO backup what so ever.
So, one asserts nobody under 50 is dying from this. Okay, is there any backup? I'm the King of the Netherlands too, nice to not have to back up any claims.
Everyone knows that the elderly are much more at risk here but that is different than asserting there are no deaths under 50.
And again, the statement from what I understand and I could be wrong, is that there are no deaths under 50. I can probably find info saying the average age of those who die is 81, I saw that the other day but nonetheless, we are talking of a statement without backup.
You have people in hazmat suits. What's next? Find that one of them died under 40 and now claim it's disingenuous to mention them because they are working in moving bodies? One can always do that, maybe the person has a weak immune system, they inherited it? I'm sure, we can find something for virtually everyone who has died from the disease.
I never made the claim that no one under 50, 40, 30, etc. hadn't died from the disease.
I just noted some factors which might contribute to the sub influenza mortality rates among younger patients overall versus much higher rates in elderly populations.
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Exactly. This was a MSM / dim premedicated event from the outset. Notice we didn't see the same hysteria for H1N1, SARS, or MERS?
Gotta love the way they made so many excuses for bringing Ebola (zaire) to North America, too.
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I read that! It's NUTS!
I wouldn't think even the average Democrat would believe that we started the virus and then blamed them.
The Chinese will (officially) believe whatever they are told to (or else!)
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Don’t know if this was mentioned before but I heard some research on corona that found that individuals infected with one strain of virus appear to have resistance to infection by a different strain. While the mechanism is not fully understood, findings suggest the infecting strain changes the cell wall in a way that blocks infection by a competing strain. This seems to suggests that an individual with a mild case of seasonal flu would be resistant to corona infection.
Again, this event doesn’t appear to be tied to an individual’s immune response to the new strain but rather to factors introduced by the initial virus.
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I thought we weren't supposed to know it's survivable.
Woman who survived coronavirus shares her early symptoms
By Jane Ridley
March 12, 2020
At last comes a measure of reassurance about the effects of the global pandemic: A woman who has fully recovered from coronavirus is a living, breathing beacon of hope.
Elizabeth Schneider, 37, had a relatively mild experience with the sometimes-deadly virus, for which she treated herself at her home in Seattle, Washington. ...
Her story is more common than one might think: US health authorities say 80% of cases have been mild. The remaining cases that needed hospitalization affected mainly citizens over the age of 60 and those with pre-existing conditions such as diabetes, heart disease or lung disease. ...
The symptoms occurred three days after she attended a party that was later identified as the place where at least five others caught the bug.
“I woke up and I was feeling tired, but it was nothing more than what you normally feel when you have to get up and go to work, and I had been very busy the previous weekend,†she said.
She felt a headache coming on around noon, along with fever and body aches. ...
Schneider wrongly assumed she didn’t have COVID-19 because she didn’t experience the usual symptoms such as coughing or shortness of breath. ...
Full story (https://nypost.com/2020/03/12/woman-who-survived-coronavirus-shares-her-early-symptoms/?utm_source=NYPTwitter&utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_medium=SocialFlow&__twitter_impression=true&__twitter_impression=true)
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We lived in Sunnyvale CA across from a 7/11 at the time of the '89 quake. People were lined up out the door following the shaker.
The next day I took a look inside - it was cleaned out. Food, water, soft drinks, combs, pens, paper, insecticide... everything was gone.
People ARE weird.
Toilet paper was out at our local Sams Club and Kroger.
What makes people think gobs of toilet paper will help them if they get sick??
MORE than weird!!
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OK, seriously: shut up.
This is not the time.
THANK YOU!!!!!!
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That should go viral... :silly:
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I don't bother defending Trump to you, @Once-Ler. It's like trying to teach a pig to dance. It won't be successful and it annoys the pig.
Perhaps... if you offered up a mud-wrestling party instead.... 888mouth
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March 14th til the end of the month, now, Disneyland will be closed.
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Walmart shelves empty of lysol, bleach, toilet paper, and a few other items. Thus proving that if America falls, it will be due to sheer stupidity.
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This is escalating at a frightening pace. If the bureaucrats think they're going to quarantine 330 million people until next winter, they are about to be disappointed.
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Rumors on Twitter that Denver is going to shut down everything, from schools to businesses. How the heck is that supposed to work? We're approaching total insanity.
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I'm sure someone posted it, but now March Madness cancelled too.
https://www.cbssports.com/ (https://www.cbssports.com/)
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Toilet paper was out at our local Sams Club and Kroger.
What makes people think gobs of toilet paper will help them if they get sick??
MORE than weird!!
The rationale behind that is that IF their city/county is hit hard with coronoa, having stocks of toilet paper, paper towels, bleach, etc., on hand will prevent them from having to go out when the virus is more widespread and putting them more at risk. It will enable them to isolate themselves and their families if necessary.
We now have 3 cases in my county -- toilet paper, hand sanitizer, hand soap, bleach, alcohol, cold medicine, aspirin, ramen (sp?) noodles, soups, water, etc., are scarce. I've never seen shelves so bare, even during hurricane season.
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This is escalating at a frightening pace. If the bureaucrats think they're going to quarantine 330 million people until next winter, they are about to be disappointed.
Well, so far the MSM and the DEMS have done a terrific job in promoting panic and mass hysteria. My hunch is this will continue beyond the November election --- in hopes to keep people from voting.
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I'm set, as long as my X doesn't show up, my last 2 rolls should last me till mid April.
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Just a friendly reminder, discuss the issues....off-topic talk or insults may be deleted.
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I wonder if some of these sports events are closing down because of possible legal repercussions? I don't know if that is a concern but schools, sporting events, it's surreal, are closing down. While, many consider everything to be an overreaction, maybe there is a liability issue. I'm not sure at all.
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to DIE!!
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Daily Caller:
Iran’s Mass Graves For Coronavirus Victims Are Large Enough To Be Seen From Space
Marlo Safi Contributor
March 12, 2020 2:03 PM ET
Satellite images of Iran show mass graves for coronavirus victims in the city with the first and most significant outbreak in the country, the Washington Post reported.
Qom, located 80 miles south of Iran’s capital Tehran, is where Iranian officials traced the origins of the country’s coronavirus outbreak that has infected over 9,000 people and killed more than 350, the Wall Street Journal reported Wednesday.
Iranian officials reported 75 new deaths in 24 hours, bringing the death toll to 429 as of Thursday, according to Reuters.
Read more at: https://dailycaller.com/2020/03/12/iran-satellite-graves-coronavirus/
These certainly, are the kinds of scenarios, we certainly don't want to see here.
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Today is a Good Day
to DIE!!
So why can't a single crazy person doing warp 9+ in a Starship take out an entire planet by ramming it? That amount of mass going that speed has to be a planet killer. So inventing anything that can go warp speed is death to that civilization... Be it a navigation error or on purpose it will be destroyed...
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Harris Faulkner Forced To Referee As Guests Square Off Over Coronavirus Response
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Virginia Kruta
Associate Editor
March 12, 2020 3:02 PM ET
Fox News host Harris Faulkner was forced to referee Thursday as an “Outnumbered Overtime†panel on Coronavirus went sideways.
Faulkner introduced her guests, prefacing the discussion with a call for civility. “Chris Plante, syndicated radio host. Ethan Bearman, host of Left Coast News. Chris, I’m going to start with you. Politics aside — and we are going to have to do that with COVID-19, we just are — what would you say is the main takeaway from what the administration has not done that Joe Biden says he would do?†(RELATED: Harris Faulkner Stops Former Clinton Advisor Cold: ‘You Hit The Race Button Pretty Early In The Hour’)
“Throw more money at the problem after we just threw $8.2 billion at the problem,†Plante replied. “And he said now we need to find out where the money is going. Look, in Washington there is this ridiculous game where whoever offers up the largest dollar figure cares the most.â€
Read more at: https://dailycaller.com/2020/03/12/harris-faulkner-referee-guests-coronavirus-response/
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My younger sister read a suggestion that older people, avoid using the gym.
My wife just left for the gym, and I'm going later.
We are not going to live in fear.
Stay Calm, try to calm others. Wash your hands. Do not horde.
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Today is a Good Day
to DIE!!
I'm considering driving over to Kennestone Hospital and shaking the hand of every patient in the place just to get it over with.
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This is escalating at a frightening pace. If the bureaucrats think they're going to quarantine 330 million people until next winter, they are about to be disappointed.
Don't be "frightened." It does absolutely nothing.
Following suggested procedures, minimizes risk.
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I experienced the same thing with the local crack dealer.
Hand sanitizer is scarce. Alcohol is scarce. The next best thing is Vodka!
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Love the left - talking politics out of one side of their mouths and claiming to be above politics out of the other.
Ethan Bearman tried being a conservative talk show host here in the Bay Area a few years back. Did not last long.
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I read that! It's NUTS!
I wouldn't think even the average Democrat would believe that we started the virus and then blamed them.
Oh, but you can bet your sweet bippy that the DEMS will find a way to convey this idea through the MSM, late night shows, etc.
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Don't be "frightened." It does absolutely nothing.
Following suggested procedures, minimizes risk.
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Perhaps... if you offered up a mud-wrestling party instead.... 888mouth
I keep the ban-hammer in the bottom of the mud pit. :laugh: :police:
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(http://barfblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/remain.calm_.animal.house_.jpg)
Well, time to put some faith in this President and to start saying a few extra prayers for this country and its citizens.
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This website shows some neat models illustrating the spread of infectious diseases:
How Epidemics Like Covid-19 End (https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/health/coronavirus-how-epidemics-spread-and-end/)
Estimated R0 factor = 2.3. Scroll down for simulation to begin.
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Well, time to put some faith in this President and to start saying a few extra prayers for this country and its citizens.
One person's 'pull together for the sake of the country' is another person's 'group think'.
It obviously is one of those 'pull together' times. Not long ago we all would've agreed.
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I keep the ban-hammer in the bottom of the mud pit. :laugh: :police:
888high58888
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Well, time to put some faith in this President and to start saying a few extra prayers for this country and its citizens.
Ditto.
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The rationale behind that is that IF their city/county is hit hard with coronoa, having stocks of toilet paper, paper towels, bleach, etc., on hand will prevent them from having to go out when the virus is more widespread and putting them more at risk. It will enable them to isolate themselves and their families if necessary.
We now have 3 cases in my county -- toilet paper, hand sanitizer, hand soap, bleach, alcohol, cold medicine, aspirin, ramen (sp?) noodles, soups, water, etc., are scarce. I've never seen shelves so bare, even during hurricane season.
I know that, but at our local Kroger the TP was completely out, but there was plenty of canned food, soups, frozen foods and pretty much everything else.
I just think the focus on toilet paper is bizarre!
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Oh, but you can bet your sweet bippy that the DEMS will find a way to convey this idea through the MSM, late night shows, etc.
Probably will..... the media has gone from slanted to despicable.
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So why can't a single crazy person doing warp 9+ in a Starship take out an entire planet by ramming it? That amount of mass going that speed has to be a planet killer. So inventing anything that can go warp speed is death to that civilization... Be it a navigation error or on purpose it will be destroyed...
Because hitting atmosphere at warp 9 would likely turn the ship into plasma.
Big scorch mark, relatively small crater.
Kinda like hitting water doing 60MPH, it just isn't soft any more.
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Because hitting atmosphere at warp 9 would likely turn the ship into plasma.
Big scorch mark, relatively small crater.
Kinda like hitting water doing 60MPH, it just isn't soft any more.
The atmosphere and planet would be essentially one. The energy has to go somewhere. Bright flash, not much left other than an expanding plasma cloud..
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The atmosphere and planet would be essentially one. The energy has to go somewhere. Bright flash, not much left other than an expanding plasma cloud..
I think we need to experiment with that. :laugh:
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The atmosphere and planet would be essentially one. The energy has to go somewhere. Bright flash, not much left other than an expanding plasma cloud..
Because hitting atmosphere at warp 9 would likely turn the ship into plasma.
Big scorch mark, relatively small crater.
Kinda like hitting water doing 60MPH, it just isn't soft any more.
If you are talking warp drive-manipulating space/time-then a starship going at any warp and hitting a planet would completely annihilate everything. Because ya'll didn't take into account that the antimatter engine would lose containment and boom, everyone dies.
Now if you are talking about hyperdrive then you are in a different "reality" and could fly "through" anything because that thing doesn't exist where you are.
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I know that, but at our local Kroger the TP was completely out, but there was plenty of canned food, soups, frozen foods and pretty much everything else.
I just think the focus on toilet paper is bizarre!
In fact you can not even buy TP at Amazon right now. My wife suggested a bidet for one our bathrooms a few years ago. Wish I had listened.
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In fact you can not even buy TP at Amazon right now. My wife suggested a bidet for one our bathrooms a few years ago. Wish I had listened.
They tickle.
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If you are talking warp drive-manipulating space/time-then a starship going at any warp and hitting a planet would completely annihilate everything. Because ya'll didn't take into account that the antimatter engine would lose containment and boom, everyone dies.
Now if you are talking about hyperdrive then you are in a different "reality" and could fly "through" anything because that thing doesn't exist where you are.
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There's also FTL Drives that "jump" from place to place so they aren't anywhere while jumping. Or something like that... So they're not planet killers like warp drive.
Ban warp drive. Do it for the planets.
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Get one of these things.
(https://i.imgur.com/ggAfTSA.jpg)
Or drill a hole through your bathroom wall and run a garden hose in.
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World Health Organization official: 80 percent of coronavirus cases will involve mild symptoms
https://www.foxnews.com/media/world-health-organization-coronavirus-80-percent-of-cases-involve-mild-symptoms (https://www.foxnews.com/media/world-health-organization-coronavirus-80-percent-of-cases-involve-mild-symptoms)
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In fact you can not even buy TP at Amazon right now. My wife suggested a bidet for one our bathrooms a few years ago. Wish I had listened.
We've had em in our house for years. TMI
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There's also FTL Drives that "jump" from place to place so they aren't anywhere while jumping. Or something like that... So they're not planet killers like warp drive.
Ban warp drive. Do it for the planets.
A jump drive is more like teleportation. As in quantum mechanics. Entanglement. Locality. Nonlocality. Bell's Theorem, etc.
Somehow you have to convince yourself you are at point B and no longer at point A.
If this doesn't explain anything you are in good company. Because NO ONE understands quantum mechanics/physics.
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I know that, but at our local Kroger the TP was completely out, but there was plenty of canned food, soups, frozen foods and pretty much everything else.
I just think the focus on toilet paper is bizarre!
I asked one of the Walmart employees if they were going to restock the TP and he said... "We've been restocking. As soon as a truck comes in we stock the shelves and then it's all gone.". Time for the manager to put limits on certain items, apparently. It ain't rocket science.
So I just came home, placed an online order for TP and few other items and will pick it up on Monday. Problem solved. :laugh:
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"We've been restocking. As soon as a truck comes in we stock the shelves and then it's all gone.".
Check Ebay and find out who is hording all the toilet paper.
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Check Ebay and find out who is hording all the toilet paper.
A$$hole$, of course! 888mouth
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Hand sanitizer is scarce. Alcohol is scarce. The next best thing is Vodka!
May I suggest
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ykbq7FXo7JA&feature=youtu.be#)
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FWIW, I have the flu. My wife, daughter, and grandson are recovering. My son is just coming down with it.
I took the wife to the doc last Saturday morning. She told him I was sick, too. He doubled up on the meds, which he stocks. 2 Z-packs and doubled up on the amoxicillin.
I gave my share of the meds to my daughter.
Total cost of the doc visit and meds was $44.00
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May I suggest
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ykbq7FXo7JA&feature=youtu.be#)
Only 30 ml per shot? A real shot should be 45 ml (1½ oz). These guys are wimps.
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Only 30 ml per shot? A real shot should be 45 ml (1½ oz). These guys are wimps.
MUST be IV and not IM... :whistle:
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Personally I hope that Trump gets tested. Also, poltics aside, I hope that Biden and Sanders don't get it.
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I asked one of the Walmart employees if they were going to restock the TP and he said... "We've been restocking. As soon as a truck comes in we stock the shelves and then it's all gone.". Time for the manager to put limits on certain items, apparently. It ain't rocket science.
So I just came home, placed an online order for TP and few other items and will pick it up on Monday. Problem solved. :laugh:
Well done!
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IF This is true, horrible... and it's similar to Iran. People here know for the most part, we need to clamp down on our economic relationship with China but elsewhere it's different.
David Vance
@DVATW
Many Italians in Northern Italy sold their leather goods and textiles companies to China. Italy then allowed 100,000 Chinese from Wuhan/Wenzhou to move to Italy to work in these factories, with direct Wuhan flights. Result: Northern Italy is Europe’s hotspot for Wuhan Coronavirus
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https://twitter.com/DVATW/status/1238073137813749762
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Only 30 ml per shot? A real shot should be 45 ml (1½ oz). These guys are wimps.
1 1/2 oz is a Jigger.
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1 1/2 oz is a Jigger.
Watch your language, sir. This is a family site.
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IF This is true, horrible... and it's similar to Iran. People here know for the most part, we need to clamp down on our economic relationship with China but elsewhere it's different.
There is some truth to this. There were indeed direct flights to and from China for much of the time prior to this. When the outbreak started spreading, they flipped to indirect flights, not accomplishing jack squat.
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Look man, the truth is, we are all going to die.
If I have to die, I will, I am going to look up all you reprobates.
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Dr Frieden, former head of the CDC was on with Tucker Carlson tonight. He indicated there could be as many as one million people dying because of the corona virus. Let me point out clearly that this is the same individual that predicted 1.2 million dead from the 2014 ebola outbreak in Africa. I believe the death toll reached a lofty 14,000 dead. There is a huge gap between the two numbers.
I do not believe we will see one million dead from corona virus.
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Let me point out clearly that this is the same individual that predicted 1.2 million dead from the 2014 ebola outbreak in Africa.
Hey, it got him an additional $165 million in funding for a disease that wasn't even in the US.
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Wuhan gets back to work; positive signs for future of coronavirus in U.S.
By Shen Wu Tan - The Washington Times - Wednesday, March 11, 2020
Residents of Hubei province, the epicenter of China’s coronavirus outbreak, resumed a more normal daily life routine as factories and other businesses reopened Wednesday, possibly offering encouragement to the U.S. and other affected nations.
Health experts around the world are carefully watching the pandemic as it plays out in China, where the virus originated, for clues to how the new COVID-19 coronavirus strain works its way through a target population. At first overwhelmed by new cases and outbreaks, Chinese officials are reporting a sharply declining number of new cases in recent days.
Food processors, manufacturers and other businesses essential for providing daily necessities in Wuhan, the city in the province where the coronavirus emerged in December, can reopen, the Hubei provincial government announced. Construction also has gradually resumed on housing and public infrastructure projects in China as the country tries to bring employees back to work while still containing the epidemic. . . .
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/mar/11/positive-signs-for-future-of-coronavirus-in-us/ (https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/mar/11/positive-signs-for-future-of-coronavirus-in-us/)
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https://news.yahoo.com/cdc-tested-only-77-people-this-week-coronavirus-testing-slow-around-the-nation-153646616.html
CDC tested only 77 people this week; coronavirus testing slow around the nation
WASHINGTON — Despite insistent promises from the Trump administration, coronavirus testing in the United States appears to be proceeding with a marked lack of urgency. An examination of state and federal records by Yahoo News finds that American states are, on average, testing fewer than 100 people per day — while the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention had tested fewer than 100 people total in the first two days of this week.
Meanwhile, a single private lab is performing tests, according to a trade group representing such facilities. The administration has repeatedly said that private enterprise would play a critical role in making sure that all Americans who need a coronavirus test receive one.
U.S. officials on Tuesday were faced with an onslaught of questions from members of Congress, amid reports of South Korea’s drive-through coronavirus testing locations.
“This is not a problem we can test our way out of,†said Stephen Redd, MD, head of the CDC’s Office of Public Health Preparedness and Response, in testimony on Wednesday. It was an admission that, in a nation of 320 million, testing every person will be impossible.
Redd also revealed in his testimony that the total number of people tested for the coronavirus by the CDC was 1,784. That means that, as of Wednesday morning, the CDC had tested only 77 people for the coronavirus since Sunday. According to a CDC spokesman, the number that had been tested as of Sunday was 1,707.
More facts to ignore at link
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Perhaps after this the Democrats thirst for single payer government care will be tempered some... Government is good at spending a lot of money getting little done.
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https://twitter.com/BarackObama/status/1238238576141352966 (https://twitter.com/BarackObama/status/1238238576141352966)
Barack Obama @BarackObama
If you’re wondering whether it’s an overreaction to cancel large gatherings and public events (and I love basketball), here’s a useful primer as to why these measures can slow the spread of the virus and save lives. We have to look out for each other.
https://www.vox.com/2020/3/10/21171481/coronavirus-us-cases-quarantine-cancellation (https://www.vox.com/2020/3/10/21171481/coronavirus-us-cases-quarantine-cancellation)
The main uncertainty in the coronavirus outbreak in the United States now is how big it will get, and how fast. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s Nancy Messonnier told reporters on March 9, “many people in the US will at some point, either this year or next, get exposed to this virus.â€
According to infectious disease epidemiologist Marc Lipsitch at Harvard, it’s “plausible†that 20 to 60 percent of adults will be infected with Covid-19 disease. So far, 80 percent of cases globally have been mild, but if the case fatality rate is around 1 percent (which several experts say it may be), a scenario is possible of tens or hundreds of thousands of deaths in the US alone.
more at link
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I wish our President was capable of tweeting something constructive like this
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Speaker Nancy Pelosi Caught Trying to Include Abortion Funding in Bill to Combat Coronavirus
Speaker Nancy Pelosi is so dedicated to promoting abortion and forcing Americans to fund killing babies in abortion that she has been caught trying to add taxpayer financing of abortions to the bill to combat the Coronavirus and provide economic stimulus to the nation as it deals with the COVD-19 outbreak.
More: https://www.lifenews.com/2020/03/12/speaker-nancy-pelosi-caught-trying-to-include-abortion-funding-in-bill-to-combat-coronavirus/ (https://www.lifenews.com/2020/03/12/speaker-nancy-pelosi-caught-trying-to-include-abortion-funding-in-bill-to-combat-coronavirus/)
Keep it classy Democrats.
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Dan Crenshaw
@DanCrenshawTX
US House candidate, TX-2
First, walls quite literally stop a virus. It’s kind of the whole point of a quarantine, for instance.
Second, assuming you meant this metaphorically, health experts like Dr. Fauci and everyone else agree travel restrictions have vastly slowed the spread of the virus in the US.
Joe Biden (Text Join to 30330)
@JoeBiden
A wall will not stop the coronavirus.
Banning all travel from Europe — or any other part of the world — will not stop it.
This disease could impact every nation and any person on the planet — and we need a plan to combat it.
https://twitter.com/DanCrenshawTX/status/1238299305800237057
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https://twitter.com/BarackObama/status/1238238576141352966 (https://twitter.com/BarackObama/status/1238238576141352966)
Barack Obama @BarackObama
If you’re wondering whether it’s an overreaction to cancel large gatherings and public events (and I love basketball), here’s a useful primer as to why these measures can slow the spread of the virus and save lives. We have to look out for each other.
https://www.vox.com/2020/3/10/21171481/coronavirus-us-cases-quarantine-cancellation (https://www.vox.com/2020/3/10/21171481/coronavirus-us-cases-quarantine-cancellation)
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I wish our President was capable of tweeting something constructive like this
There is a lot of conflicting information out there. The article provided at link, suggests that those self quarantined can't even go outside. So that would suggest that this virus lives in the air for a certain period of time -- otherwise -- hypothetically, say I have COVID-19, and I take a walk in my local park, I don't touch anything other than my feet in my shoes touching the pavement of a park pathway -- are they suggesting that somehow the virus is so strong that my very presence in the park could be spread to someone through the air?? Also, they suggested that you wouldn't be able to walk the dog -- so again -- the air would be contaminated by the simple presence of someone who doesn't come in contact with anything other than the pavement.
This is surely much more contagious than any of the stats so far have stated. It is transmitted through air -- yet the experts are claiming that we shouldn't wear masks???
If every thing is this article is true then Glenn Becks researcher's estimate that 60% of the world's population will die is likely.
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MSNBC's Joy Reid hits Dems for including abortion in emergency spending bill: 'What does that have to do with COVID-19?'
Read more at: https://www.foxnews.com/media/msnbc-joy-reid-abortion-coronavirus (https://www.foxnews.com/media/msnbc-joy-reid-abortion-coronavirus)
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The DEMS don't care -- they'll sneak in anything they can to accomplish an objective and I see them playing hardball and obstructing so that Trump/Pence fail on this virus.
Pence for being in charge has been extremely quiet.
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https://twitter.com/BarackObama/status/1238238576141352966 (https://twitter.com/BarackObama/status/1238238576141352966)
Barack Obama @BarackObama
If you’re wondering whether it’s an overreaction to cancel large gatherings and public events (and I love basketball), here’s a useful primer as to why these measures can slow the spread of the virus and save lives. We have to look out for each other.
https://www.vox.com/2020/3/10/21171481/coronavirus-us-cases-quarantine-cancellation (https://www.vox.com/2020/3/10/21171481/coronavirus-us-cases-quarantine-cancellation)
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I wish our President was capable of tweeting something constructive like this
Okay, I heard this topic brought up today on TV, so I don't know if there are other angles to it but I do add it in.
Flashback: Obama waited until millions of Americans were infected with swine flu, 1000 died, before acting
March 1, 2020 | Samantha Chang |
Democrats and their left-wing media minions have wasted no time politicizing the coronavirus outbreak to attack President Trump. Unfortunately for them, the facts smack them in the face.
This week, the New York Times called the coronavirus the “Trumpvirus,†and the rest of the Left gleefully cheered for a stock market crash in the hopes that it’ll hurt Trump’s chances for reelection.
Read more at: https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/03/01/obama-waited-until-millions-of-americans-were-infected-with-swine-flu-1000-died-before-acting-892677 (https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/03/01/obama-waited-until-millions-of-americans-were-infected-with-swine-flu-1000-died-before-acting-892677)
So, Obama's record may actually be pretty bad on something like this.
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I remember the H1N1 virus but there wasn't all of this hysteria. Something to read up on. It didn't cause waves like what we are seeing now from what I know.
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Joe Biden was in government for 44 years
Nancy Pelosi has been in government for 33 years
Bernie Sanders has been in government for 29 years
Donald Trump has been in government for 3 years
Tell me again whose fault it is that our pandemic infrastructure isn't strong enough?
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@Hoodat
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Perhaps after this the Democrats thirst for single payer government care will be tempered some... Government is good at spending a lot of money getting little done.
I'm pretty sure they blame President Trump for ineffective government. I'll bet money the rats pass single payer if Biden wins and they take the Senate. They have seen first hand that there is no political consequence for trillion dollar deficits.
U.S. Budget Deficit to Top $1 Trillion for Next Decade
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/28/business/trillion-budget-deficit-cbo.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/28/business/trillion-budget-deficit-cbo.html)
I don't know why they would feel inhibited to add to the 23$ Million we already owe.
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There is a lot of conflicting information out there. The article provided at link, suggests that those self quarantined can't even go outside. So that would suggest that this virus lives in the air for a certain period of time -- otherwise -- hypothetically, say I have COVID-19, and I take a walk in my local park, I don't touch anything other than my feet in my shoes touching the pavement of a park pathway -- are they suggesting that somehow the virus is so strong that my very presence in the park could be spread to someone through the air?? Also, they suggested that you wouldn't be able to walk the dog -- so again -- the air would be contaminated by the simple presence of someone who doesn't come in contact with anything other than the pavement.
This is surely much more contagious than any of the stats so far have stated. It is transmitted through air -- yet the experts are claiming that we shouldn't wear masks???
If every thing is this article is true then Glenn Becks researcher's estimate that 60% of the world's population will die is likely.
Thank you for the thoughtful reply. I understand and agree the information is conflicting. I don't believe the "millions" estimates or at least they are not likely and worse case scenarios. The important point is slowing this virus now will result in the fewest deaths because we have limited resources like hospital beds and nurses. When those beds fill up and nurses get sick the elderly die because there is no bed or nurse for them.
If you had COVID-19 (God forbid!) and you took a walk in the park I couldn't tell you if you should be wearing a mask. It's the kind of a question a US Pandemic Response Team might be able to answer but, sadly, they were fired a few years ago. If you were not displaying any symptoms nobody could blame you for spreading it, because we don't have the tests that Super Power countries like South Korea and Italy have.
Stay healthy @libertybele
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Okay, I heard this topic brought up today on TV, so I don't know if there are other angles to it but I do add it in.
So, Obama's record may actually be pretty bad on something like this.
@TomSea
Obama was a shitty President, I used to think he was the worst President ever, but today's tweet was good. Perhaps he learned from his lethal blunder. My heart is warmed that he has joined forces with President Trump to combat COVID-19. We have to look out for each other.
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In fact you can not even buy TP at Amazon right now. My wife suggested a bidet for one our bathrooms a few years ago. Wish I had listened.
You're a Southern Boy... It ain't like you don't know where the corn crib is.
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You're a Southern Boy... It ain't like you don't know where the corn crib is.
Or enough acres to have a lifetime toilet.......
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Coronavirus: English Football League fixtures to be suspended until 4 April
The English Football League is to suspend all fixtures until 4 April, Sky News understands.
It comes as Premier League chiefs meet to discuss the top division's response to the coronavirus outbreak, as Arsenal head coach Mikel Arteta and Chelsea star Callum Hudson-Odoi were diagnosed with COVID-19.
More follows...
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-english-football-league-fixtures-to-be-suspended-until-4-april-11956889
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Italy
Coronavirus Cases:
15,113
Deaths:
1,016
Recovered:
1,258
Currently 6.7% death rate.
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Or enough acres to have a lifetime toilet.......
:silly:
Modern problems... eh?
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There’s an article posted yahoo that all the Catholic Churches in Italy are closed.
All masses, weddings and funerals have been called off across the country.
https://news.yahoo.com/catholic-churches-across-rome-shut-due-virus-213310360.html
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There’s an article posted yahoo that all the Catholic Churches in Italy are closed.
All masses, weddings and funerals have been called off across the country.
https://news.yahoo.com/catholic-churches-across-rome-shut-due-virus-213310360.html
So, unless I’m really naive, if the funerals are called off, what happens to the dead? Unless you put then in a morgue or preserve them, well...
This is turning into a bizarre Stephen King scenario isn’t it.
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I never saw this movie 2011 "Contagion" but it looks reasonable. It's hot right now.... and this is a good clip:
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From Newsthud:
Writer of Movie “Contagion†Speaks Out on Coronavirus, Says He’s Not That Surprised
written by Paul Goldberg March 13, 2020
People reports as Contagion continues to be a go-to movie for people amid the coronavirus outbreak, the film’s writer is explaining why he doesn’t find the pandemic “that surprising.â€
Scott Z. Burns, who wrote the 2011 movie directed by Steven Soderbergh, told Slate in a recent interview that he heavily researched the film with the Center for Disease Control and is surprised audiences are taken aback by “how similar†Contagion is to what’s currently occurring.
“It’s very upsetting to see people getting sick and dying. The part of me that is a human being is more struck by this than the part of me that is a filmmaker,†he said. “That being said, it has been very strange to me, whether on social media or in conversations with friends, that people will say to me, ‘This is uncanny how similar it is.’ “
Read more at: https://newsthud.com/writer-of-movie-contagion-speaks-out-on-coronavirus-says-hes-not-that-surprised/ (https://newsthud.com/writer-of-movie-contagion-speaks-out-on-coronavirus-says-hes-not-that-surprised/)
"The average person touches their face three to five times every waking minute"
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Am laughing at this new buzzword "Social Distancing"
In my case, I have always considered within 3 feet of my person , personal space. So unless, I am related to you, there is pretty good chance you haven't gotten within 3 feet of me anyway.
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I never saw this movie 2011 "Contagion" but it looks reasonable. It's hot right now.... and this is a good clip:
Wow, you started your hysteria campaign early today huh? Nice job.
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So, unless I’m really naive, if the funerals are called off, what happens to the dead? Unless you put then in a morgue or preserve them, well...
This is turning into a bizarre Stephen King scenario isn’t it.
Yes, sadly out of Italy, I've seen a few stories how a person has succumbed to the illness, this guy's sister and it took 2 days for proper authorities to reach the house.
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Gemma O'Doherty
@gemmaod1
Globalism is the reason #Ireland is in lockdown today. As a nation, we must reject it in order to be able to sustain ourselves in times of crisis. Avoid cheap, poor quality foreign shops and support Irish groceries. If you don’t, soon there will be nothing Irish left #Coronavirus
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https://twitter.com/gemmaod1/status/1238423633674096640 (https://twitter.com/gemmaod1/status/1238423633674096640)
Tom Cotton on Hannity, video:
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Tom Elliott
@tomselliott
.@SenTomCotton
on the Bidens' coziness w/ China: "In light of how China's unleashed this plague on the entire world ... it's even more urgent that we examine Joe Biden's decade long record of being wrong on China" and Hunter's biz dealings.
https://twitter.com/tomselliott/status/1238410450435477505 (https://twitter.com/tomselliott/status/1238410450435477505)
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Day 1 after #COVID diagnosis. Sore throat, headache (strong!), Dry cough but not shortness of breath. No lung US abnormalities. Will keep a #POCUS track of my lungs.
Day 2 after #COVID diagnosis. Less sore throat, cough & headache (thank God!), still no shortness of breath or pleuritic chest pain. #POCUS update: small bilateral pleural effusion, thickened pleural line & basal b-lines (plaps).
Day 3 after #COVID diagnosis. No sore throat/headache. Yesterday was cough day, still no shortness of breath/chest pain. Diarrhea started, lucky cough got better. #POCUS update: similar effusion, seems less thickened pleural line + no b-lines (PLAPS).
Full article: - Doctor With Coronavirus Shares What Its Been Like for Him the First Five Days (https://newsthud.com/doctor-with-coronavirus-shares-what-its-been-like-for-him-the-first-five-days/)
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Italy
Coronavirus Cases:
15,113
Deaths:
1,016
Recovered:
1,258
Currently 6.7% death rate.
Italy's population: 60 million. In other words: even at the peak of this outbreak, the total number of infected is 0.025% of the population. That's something very important to keep in perspective.
So factoring in likely undiagnosed cases (and there are probably a lot of them given the alleged total collapse of the Italian health care system), that death rate is probably way too high.
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Coronavirus may have reached Italy from Germany, scientists say
Reuters Editorial
ROME (Reuters) - A team of scientists in Milan believes Italy’s coronavirus epidemic might have come to the country via Germany and not directly from China as many experts initially assumed.
Scientists have been hunting for the so-called “patient zero†ever since the contagion first came to light in the prosperous northern region of Lombardy on Feb. 21.
After extensive analysis, the Milan team has not yet identified the individual at the root of the worst outbreak in Europe, but they have matched the Italian genetic sequencing of the virus here to a case that emerged in Germany in January.
See more at: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-scientists/coronavirus-may-have-reached-italy-from-germany-scientists-say-idUSKBN20Y35B (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-scientists/coronavirus-may-have-reached-italy-from-germany-scientists-say-idUSKBN20Y35B)
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Italy's population: 60 million. In other words: even at the peak of this outbreak, the total number of infected is 0.025% of the population. That's something very important to keep in perspective.
So factoring in likely undiagnosed cases (and there are probably a lot of them given the alleged total collapse of the Italian health care system), that death rate is probably way too high.
Shhhhhhhh. That takes away part of the narrative of the Chicken Littles. Common Sense be damned.
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Italy's population: 60 million. In other words: even at the peak of this outbreak, the total number of infected is 0.025% of the population. That's something very important to keep in perspective.
So factoring in likely undiagnosed cases (and there are probably a lot of them given the alleged total collapse of the Italian health care system), that death rate is probably way too high.
It seems like in the initial stages the death rate seems high. But as more cases are confirmed that rate lowers significantly.
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It seems like in the initial stages the death rate seems high. But as more cases are confirmed that rate lowers significantly.
A lot of evidence is coming out that this particular virus has a huge amount of asymptomatic cases. That means many many many people who actually contracted the pathogen, won't even get counted.
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Shhhhhhhh. That takes away part of the narrative of the Chicken Littles. Common Sense be damned.
Remember, bureaucracies can't detect things that are invisible. People who have mild cases, or cases masked by other diseases, they don't exist in the statistics. Dead people definitely exist and can be counted. That would skew the death rate higher. Until we know how many apparently health people have the virus the reported death rate will be inaccurate, on the high side.
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Brazil president Bolsonaro does test positive for the Coronavirus:
https://www.businessinsider.com/jair-bolsonaro-brazil-president-coronavirus-test-positive-2020-3 (https://www.businessinsider.com/jair-bolsonaro-brazil-president-coronavirus-test-positive-2020-3)
Not a good harbinger and.... I'm sure, as President, he is surrounded in a fairly good environment, I guess I'm saying, he's not riding buses, planes and so on though, on-the-other-hand, I guess he meets with dozens of people every week, attends functions, so there is that.
So many stories on coronavirus, I really do find it easier to post in the big thread here.
That bit about China cutting us off, well, that was reported days ago and posted but that is fine. I don't mind it.
I hope everyone finds this thread, it has gone to about 30 pages a week ago to nearing 60 now, in a week's amount of time.
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I went to the Johns Hopkins site this morning, and it was way under-reported.
Yesterday showed 127K+ cases.
This morning showed only 91K + cases, but Italy, Iran, Germany, and Spain had not reported.
My guess is that they didn't have all the Eastern hemisphere numbers in.
It has been updated now to 136K+ with all those countries mentioned reporting.
A 9% jump in one day.
Now, it will probably be updated again in the Western Hemisphere.
No data for Texas was showing yet, and we know we have cases here.
I would expect higher numbers by this evening.
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Oh, come on, we got this moved because it is hitting the States... where is everyone??
Over 1,000 People Cured of Coronavirus in Italy
https://truepundit.com/over-1000-people-cured-of-coronavirus-in-italy/
Anyway, maybe it is not killing some age groups much, if one reads what Coronavirus patients go through, it's pretty bad. It's not cake walk so finally, some good news out of Italy. Hopefully, there is light at the end of the tunnel and maybe we avoid what some countries have gone through.
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FDA grants emergency approval for coronavirus test that could speed up diagnostics tenfold
by Cassidy Morrison
March 13, 2020 11:09 AM
The Food and Drug Administration granted emergency approval for a coronavirus test that could speed up diagnostics tenfold.
The FDA granted “emergency use authorization†to a diagnostic test made by Roche Holding AG that will be made available immediately. The test is run on two of the company's diagnostic machines, which are already installed in more than 100 labs across the country. The company's machines are capable of running about 5,000 tests per day.
“We are increasing the speed definitely by a factor of 10,†Thomas Schinecker, the head of Roche’s diagnostics unit, told Bloomberg News .
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https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/fda-grants-emergency-approval-for-coronavirus-test-that-could-speed-up-diagnostics-tenfold (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/fda-grants-emergency-approval-for-coronavirus-test-that-could-speed-up-diagnostics-tenfold)
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FDA grants emergency approval for coronavirus test that could speed up diagnostics tenfold
by Cassidy Morrison
Watch the press ignore the introduction of this new test while breathlessly reporting the huge expansion of diagnosed cases. They will also ignore the resulting rapid decline in the reported "mortality rate" as the denominator of the ratio explodes. Mathematics is not their strong suit.
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Watch the press ignore the introduction of this new test while breathlessly reporting the huge expansion of diagnosed cases. They will also ignore the resulting rapid decline in the reported "mortality rate" as the denominator of the ratio explodes. Mathematics is not their strong suit.
There's another Hill article recently posted entitled 'Trump blames Obama rule changes for delays in vaccine development' or something to that effect, then scoffingly reports 'but so far he has only changed one rule concerning the FDA'. Thats some rule.
Each day the media outdo themselves in their dishonesty.
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@Hoodat
@corbe
That is awesome! And it could actually work.
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It is being reported that they have set up "drive-thru" corona testing! The line of cars is massive.
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Reagan Battalion
@ReaganBattalion
Close family member in the ICU in NYC with Pneumonia, is 70 + with medical history, HE CAN NOT GET A #Covid_19 TEST!
@realDonaldTrump
, stop saying that every American can get a test, it is not true, it has not been true!
10:53 AM · Mar 13, 2020·Twitter for iPhone
https://twitter.com/ReaganBattalion/status/1238493443233583105
You know that is interesting, the myth has been dispelled that you have to pay over $3,000 for a coronavirus test... but if you want to get tested?
CBC - Canada had an article for what one does there, if they are afraid they have the coronavirus. It's a big problem and costs? I don't think it is that costly of a test....
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Ohio Department Of Health Director Estimates 100,000 People In State Have Coronavirus
written by J.C McCallum March 13, 2020
In a stunning statement, Ohio Department of Health Director Dr. Amy Acton claimed that there may over 100,000 cases of coronavirus in Ohio.
She makes this claim based on modeling and not all experts agree with these exact numbers but all do agree we have many more cases in America than we know about.
Which is standard in a situation like this. The grim reality is over the next two years most people on the globe will be exposed to this virus – hopefully, we will have vaccines and other treatments by that time.
https://newsthud.com/ohio-department-of-health-director-estimates-100000-people-in-state-have-coronavirus/
By-the-way, it was discussed yesterday about the closing cancellation of Ohio State U's basketball games or something. My understanding is the whole Big 10 (big 12?) however it is, that the sports board of that conference decided to cancel all basketball games.
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Cleveland Clinic and University Hospitals are working on their own quick diagnostic testing (in house).
With American ingenuity and superior health care this will be solved much more quickly.
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Cleveland Clinic and University Hospitals are working on their own quick diagnostic testing (in house).
With American ingenuity and superior health care this will be solved much more quickly.
But wait! Haven't we been told (repeatedly) that we must have a National Health Care system to fight this? Like the one they have in Italy??
I'm so confused.
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Am laughing at this new buzzword "Social Distancing"
In my case, I have always considered within 3 feet of my person , personal space. So unless, I am related to you, there is pretty good chance you haven't gotten within 3 feet of me anyway.
In the past I've seen videos where hyperaggressive cops storm up on people and try to intimidate them by getting ridiculously close and then using that proximity as a pretext to attack people.
If this ever happens to me I'm going to cough at the cops!!! :police:
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UNCONFIRMED: National Emergency to be declared... that sounds like it would be a big deal.
Venezuela has gotten their first 2 cases...
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Venezuela has gotten their first 2 cases...
So much for the theory that this thing can't spread in warm weather.
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Matt Schlapp
@mschlapp
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President Bolsonaro of Brazil has tested negative. Let’s all try very hard to be slower if it makes info more accurate.
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Forgive my skepticism but in this political climate I suspect this 'NEW' National Emergency will have the same effect as the last one he proclaimed on Border Security.
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Matt Schlapp
@mschlapp
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President Bolsonaro of Brazil has tested negative. Let’s all try very hard to be slower if it makes info more accurate.
Negative = Good, Positive = Bad? I am so confused.
Meanwhile, I am now experiencing a substantial headache, a scratchy throat, and an insatiable craving for toilet paper. Should I worry?
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Matt Schlapp
@mschlapp
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President Bolsonaro of Brazil has tested negative. Let’s all try very hard to be slower if it makes info more accurate.
So, you use a tweet but we are not suppose to use Fox News or indeed, other sources, if they say so?
Brazil's President Bolsonaro tests positive for coronavirus, further testing being done
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/brazils-president-bolsonaro-tests-positive-for-coronavirus-further-testing-being-done/ar-BB119kHq?li=BBnb7Kz (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/brazils-president-bolsonaro-tests-positive-for-coronavirus-further-testing-being-done/ar-BB119kHq?li=BBnb7Kz)
By the way, it sounds like his son is saying President Bolsonaro tested negative.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/brazils-president-bolsonaros-son-claims-father-tested-negative-for-coronavirus-despite-earlier-reports/ar-BB119kHq?li=BBnb7Kz (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/brazils-president-bolsonaros-son-claims-father-tested-negative-for-coronavirus-despite-earlier-reports/ar-BB119kHq?li=BBnb7Kz)
If Fox or someone else puts out a report saying he tested positive, I don't see why we should second guess it.
By the way, Fox has changed their headline now but that is not uncommon with news services, that his son says different now, just changes this more. Who is telling the truth? Why the early reports that he did?
In fact, Fox may have changed it again:
Brazil's President Bolsonaro's son claims father tested negative for coronavirus despite earlier reports
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/brazils-president-bolsonaro-tests-positive-for-coronavirus-further-testing-being-done/ar-BB119kHq?li=BBnb7Kz (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/brazils-president-bolsonaro-tests-positive-for-coronavirus-further-testing-being-done/ar-BB119kHq?li=BBnb7Kz)
DESPITE EARLY REPORTS... I repeat, what are we to believe then??
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Negative = Good, Positive = Bad? I am so confused.
Meanwhile, I am now experiencing a substantial headache, a scratchy throat, and an insatiable craving for toilet paper. Should I worry?
President Bolsonaro should have hedged his bets and bought more toilet paper.
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Bloomberg reports:
Trump to Declare National Emergency to Speed Virus Response
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-13/trump-to-declare-national-emergency-to-speed-virus-response (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-13/trump-to-declare-national-emergency-to-speed-virus-response)
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The death rate for coronavirus for people under 50 is 0.1%, or 1 out of 1000 infections
Older Americans should take serious precautions against the coronavirus. Everyone else needs to calm down.
by Scarlett Madison March 13, 2020
Now that more data about the Wuhan Coronavirus is coming out from a reliable source, namely South Korea, irrational fears should subside. Of course, that likely won’t be the case since so many Americans are being irrational about the manufactured terror stimulated by a mainstream media industrial complex that is bent on doing harm to America for the sake of November election considerations.
This is why good news out of South Korea is barely being reported by American mainstream media. The government there is adjusting their strategies now that they understand the severity of the disease has been overblown by the World Health Organization and others. Much of what was originally reported was based on data from China, but now that Italy and South Korea have enough cases for statistical significance, we can start getting a better picture of what we’re dealing with. Thankfully, the picture is looking better than most expected.
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https://noqreport.com/2020/03/13/the-death-rate-for-coronavirus-for-people-under-50-is-0-1-or-1-out-of-1000-infections/ (https://noqreport.com/2020/03/13/the-death-rate-for-coronavirus-for-people-under-50-is-0-1-or-1-out-of-1000-infections/)
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F it!
You forced me!
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Crisis over! Let's get everything back to normal now!
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That is brilliant! Why didn't I think of that? Hunting for poster board and markers now.
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I would think there would be NO Democratic debate on March 15, Sunday OR, they can have the debate behind closed doors. That doesn't sound too interesting. Surely we won't have 2 hours of the two. 90 minutes sounds good enough but, the longer, the more chance, someone says something dumb.
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Autonomous Robots Are Helping Kill Coronavirus in Hospitals
The absolute best way of dealing with the coronavirus pandemic is to just not get coronavirus in the first place. By now, you’ve (hopefully) had all of the strategies for doing this drilled into your skull—wash your hands, keep away from large groups of people, wash your hands, stay home when sick, wash your hands, avoid travel when possible, and please, please wash your hands.
At the top of the list of the places to avoid right now are hospitals, because that’s where all the really sick people go. But for healthcare workers, and the sick people themselves, there’s really no other option. To prevent the spread of coronavirus (and everything else) through hospitals, keeping surfaces disinfected is incredibly important, but it’s also dirty, dull, and (considering what you can get infected with) dangerous. And that’s why it’s an ideal task for autonomous robots.
UVD Robot using ultraviolet-C (UVC) light to disinfect an intensive care unit at a hospital
The robots can travel through hallways, up and down elevators if necessary, and perform the disinfection without human intervention before returning to recharge.
UVD Robots is a Danish company making robots that are able to disinfect patient rooms and operating theaters in hospitals. They’re able to disinfect pretty much anything you point them at—each robot is a mobile array of powerful short wavelength ultraviolet-C (UVC) lights that emit enough energy to literally shred the DNA or RNA of any microorganisms that have the misfortune of being exposed to them.
The company’s robots have been operating in China for the past two or three weeks, and UVD Robots CEO Per Juul Nielsen says they are sending more to China as fast as they can. “The initial volume is in the hundreds of robots; the first ones went to Wuhan where the situation is the most severe,†Nielsen told IEEE Spectrum. “We’re shipping every week—they’re going air freight into China because they’re so desperately needed.†The goal is to supply the robots to over 2,000 hospitals and medical facilities in China.
https://spectrum.ieee.org/automaton/robotics/medical-robots/autonomous-robots-are-helping-kill-coronavirus-in-hospitals
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That is friggen hilarious
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Uh oh. Wife now has a low-grade fever. Heading to Wal-mart now to find out when the toilet paper truck is expected to arrive.
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The Democommies are going to milk this outbreak for everything they can, right up to November 4th.
All I know is business as usual with China better end. End any favored nation trade status, end all Pharma production there, and anything that has to do with DOD.
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The Democommies are going to milk this outbreak for everything they can, right up to November 4th.
All I know is business as usual with China better end. End any favored nation trade status, end all Pharma production there, and anything that has to do with DOD.
:yowsa: pointing-up
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The Democommies are going to milk this outbreak for everything they can, right up to November 4th.
All I know is business as usual with China better end. End any favored nation trade status, end all Pharma production there, and anything that has to do with DOD.
Agree, it would probably take some time to do this...
And unfortunately too, these articles mention that China also has quite a few interest in precious metals, resources, minerals, around the world.
So, this should be a wake up call.
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Autonomous Robots Are Helping Kill Coronavirus in Hospitals
The absolute best way of dealing with the coronavirus pandemic is to just not get coronavirus in the first place. By now, you’ve (hopefully) had all of the strategies for doing this drilled into your skull—wash your hands, keep away from large groups of people, wash your hands, stay home when sick, wash your hands, avoid travel when possible, and please, please wash your hands.
At the top of the list of the places to avoid right now are hospitals, because that’s where all the really sick people go. But for healthcare workers, and the sick people themselves, there’s really no other option. To prevent the spread of coronavirus (and everything else) through hospitals, keeping surfaces disinfected is incredibly important, but it’s also dirty, dull, and (considering what you can get infected with) dangerous. And that’s why it’s an ideal task for autonomous robots.
UVD Robot using ultraviolet-C (UVC) light to disinfect an intensive care unit at a hospital
The robots can travel through hallways, up and down elevators if necessary, and perform the disinfection without human intervention before returning to recharge.
UVD Robots is a Danish company making robots that are able to disinfect patient rooms and operating theaters in hospitals. They’re able to disinfect pretty much anything you point them at—each robot is a mobile array of powerful short wavelength ultraviolet-C (UVC) lights that emit enough energy to literally shred the DNA or RNA of any microorganisms that have the misfortune of being exposed to them.
The company’s robots have been operating in China for the past two or three weeks, and UVD Robots CEO Per Juul Nielsen says they are sending more to China as fast as they can. “The initial volume is in the hundreds of robots; the first ones went to Wuhan where the situation is the most severe,†Nielsen told IEEE Spectrum. “We’re shipping every week—they’re going air freight into China because they’re so desperately needed.†The goal is to supply the robots to over 2,000 hospitals and medical facilities in China.
https://spectrum.ieee.org/automaton/robotics/medical-robots/autonomous-robots-are-helping-kill-coronavirus-in-hospitals
The absolute best way of dealing with the coronavirus pandemic is to just not get coronavirus in the first place
That seems to be the case for sure to begin with.
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By Elizabeth Elkind CBS News March 13, 2020, 10:11 AM
Ted Cruz extends coronavirus self-quarantine after interaction with Spanish official who tested positive
Texas Republican Senator Ted Cruz revealed that he was extending his self-quarantine during an exclusive appearance on "CBS This Morning" Friday. Cruz had been cleared from his initial self-quarantine on Thursday after becoming the first U.S. senator to sequester himself over concerns linked to the coronavirus pandemic.
Cruz said he would be remaining in his Texas home "out an an abundance of caution" rather than on the word of medical officials, although he has not been tested.
Cruz initially went into self-quarantine after he and several other congressional Republicans came into contact with an individual at last month's Conservative Political Action Conference who later tested positive. President Trump and Vice President Pence were in attendance as well.
More: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronavirus-ted-cruz-republican-senator-extends-self-quarantine-after-second-interaction/ (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronavirus-ted-cruz-republican-senator-extends-self-quarantine-after-second-interaction/)
So while Rush is saying this is overblown and I love Rush, how about the voices of Cruz, Cotton... and Lindsay Graham who is now self-isolating himself as well?
"... possibly exposed to second coronavirus carrier"
https://www.postandcourier.com/health/covid19/sc-sen-lindsey-graham-possibly-exposed-to-second-coronavirus-carrier/article_e1e4e844-6538-11ea-89c3-1721e8a8c79b.html (https://www.postandcourier.com/health/covid19/sc-sen-lindsey-graham-possibly-exposed-to-second-coronavirus-carrier/article_e1e4e844-6538-11ea-89c3-1721e8a8c79b.html)
BREAKING: Miami mayor tests positive for coronavirus
https://newsthud.com/breaking-miami-mayor-tests-positive-for-coronavirus/ (https://newsthud.com/breaking-miami-mayor-tests-positive-for-coronavirus/)
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Lila Rose
@LilaGraceRose
Abortion clinics remain open today, dismembering and sucking children with beating hearts from their mother’s womb. 2363~ children will lose their lives today. This continues to be our nation’s greatest crisis, yet so many of us are numb to it. It’s our “normal.â€
1:18 PM · Mar 13, 2020·Twitter for iPhone
https://twitter.com/LilaGraceRose/status/1238529866472902657
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When a guy comes at you
not wearing a shirt
with a sword yelling Allah!
Allah! Allah! Allah!
You gotta shoot that guy,
not 5 or 6 or 10 times.
Shoot until he meets his Allah.
That dude will kill you.
Coranavisuse, kiss my ass.
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Finally figured out the toilet paper hysteria, every time someone coughs all the other people $hit their pants.
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I WILL TRADE MY VIRGINITY!
For a 12 pack of two ply.
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I WILL TRADE MY VIRGINITY!
For a 12 pack of two ply.
I would have made that trade when I was a teenager, but nobody wanted the case of toilet paper I was offering. Now who's the smart guy? 888bravo
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I'm watching Trump declare a national emergency.
He sounds like an idiot at times. What has happened to him???
This was not the time to toot his horn with a run down of all "the great things they've done".
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Lila Rose
@LilaGraceRose
Abortion clinics remain open today, dismembering and sucking children with beating hearts from their mother’s womb. 2363~ children will lose their lives today. This continues to be our nation’s greatest crisis, yet so many of us are numb to it. It’s our “normal.â€
1:18 PM · Mar 13, 2020·Twitter for iPhone
https://twitter.com/LilaGraceRose/status/1238529866472902657
Life is hard. Then your mom aborts you.
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I WILL TRADE MY VIRGINITY!
For a 12 pack of two ply.
How about half your virginity for a 4-pack of Scott 1000-sheet?
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AMC Theatres reducing screening capacity by 50 percent to increase 'social distance' between guests
By Kaelan Deese - 03/13/20 03:55 PM EDT
AMC Theatres is decreasing viewing capacity as government measures to stem the coronavirus (COVID-19) outbreak call for heightened sanitary procedures.
AMC's auditoriums, beginning on Saturday, will reduce regular theater capacity by 50 percent in order to increase the level of "social distancing" while viewers watch a film, according to Deadline.
The company is the first major movie theater chain to address the ever-growing coronavirus situation in the U.S.
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https://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/487488-amc-theaters-reducing-screening-capacity-to-50-percent-to-increase-social (https://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/487488-amc-theaters-reducing-screening-capacity-to-50-percent-to-increase-social)
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I'm watching Trump declare a national emergency.
He sounds like an idiot at times. What has happened to him???
This was not the time to toot his horn with a run down of all "the great things they've done".
After President Trump finished 5 minutes of patting himself on the back he said "The hospitals are very engaged," "We're working very strongly with many states including New York," and new rules for hospitals "They can do what they want. They can do what they have to do. They know what they have to do. Now they don't have any problem getting it done."
Most reassuring. I'm looking forward to the roll out of the President's screening website too.
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Just got back from Wal-mart. No bread. No water. No soup. No canned tomatoes. No TP. No iso-propanol. And NO VITAMIN-C !!!!!
Made another stop at Kroger. Was able to score milk, eggs, bread, and vitamin C, but they were about to run out of all of them. Looks like panic has hit Metro Atlanta.
Tip: If you can get your hands on some Vitamin C, grab it. Take your body mass in kg, and divide by 10 (or your body weight in lbs and divide by 22). That number is how many grams (i.e. 1000 mg tablets) of Vitamin C you need to take each day if you get sick. I read it on the internet.
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Finally figured out the toilet paper hysteria, every time someone coughs all the other people $hit their pants.
Oh my gosh...this rates much more than a lol. It's hysterical!!
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Work just called to tell me I can't fly. I told them to pound sand. No way am I renting a car and driving 12 hrs.
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Coming to a street corner near you...…….
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After President Trump finished 5 minutes of patting himself on the back he said "The hospitals are very engaged," "We're working very strongly with many states including New York," and new rules for hospitals "They can do what they want. They can do what they have to do. They know what they have to do. Now they don't have any problem getting it done."
Most reassuring. I'm looking forward to the roll out of the President's screening website too.
I will say that the presser went much better after others started to speak. That first 5 minutes or so was pretty brutal though.
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Work just called to tell me I can't fly. I told them to pound sand. No way am I renting a car and driving 12 hrs.
Our daughter just flew and she said the airport and plane have never been cleaner, the staff has never been nicer, and it was especially pleasant that practically no one else was there. happy77
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Our daughter just flew and she said the airport and plane have never been cleaner, the staff has never been nicer, and it was especially pleasant that practically no one else was there. happy77
I always thought the worst part about large crowds was the people. rrthree
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I will say that the presser went much better after others started to speak. That first 5 minutes or so was pretty brutal though.
@DB agreed.
I think the words "national emergency" and "$44 billion" is what investors on Wallstreet heard.
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@DB agreed.
I think the words "national emergency" and "$44 billion" is what investors on Wallstreet heard.
We are all Keynsians now.
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How about half your virginity for a 4-pack of Scott 1000-sheet?
Done and Done.
I'm behind the dumpster, next to the PopEyes Chicken place.
Don't be late.
'and bring the stuff' you know what i need.
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Just got back from Wal-mart. No bread. No water. No soup. No canned tomatoes. No TP. No iso-propanol. And NO VITAMIN-C !!!!!
Made another stop at Kroger. Was able to score milk, eggs, bread, and vitamin C, but they were about to run out of all of them. Looks like panic has hit Metro Atlanta.
I went to Kroger today and got everything on my list - but tp, canned soup, water, etc., were not on my list in the first place. The tp shelves were empty; I didn't think to look for those other items.
I did manage to get Corona beer (and dress a bottle up as Dr. Corona), as my new profile pic indicates. :beer:
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I went to Kroger today and got everything on my list - but tp, canned soup, water, etc., were not on my list in the first place. The tp shelves were empty; I didn't think to look for those other items.
I did manage to get Corona beer (and dress a bottle up as Dr. Corona), as my new profile pic indicates. :beer:
You guys must live on a different planet than me.
I just asked my sister/wife if we need some toilet paper?
She said, What is toilet paper? I don't know.
Better cook that squirrel before he goes bad.
Goddamm White people is crazy.
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Our house is pretty much surrounded by woods. There are plenty of leaves. We don't need no steekin' toilet paper.
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You guys must live on a different planet than me.
I just asked my sister/wife if we need some toilet paper?
She said, What is toilet paper? I don't know.
Better cook that squirrel before he goes bad.
Goddamm White people is crazy.
sister/wife?
Same person?
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Our house is pretty much surrounded by woods. There are plenty of leaves. We don't need no steekin' toilet paper.
I have a shower, I'm good.
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Big run on Lysol too .
A home goods store had it up front yesterday, today, all gone.
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Our house is pretty much surrounded by woods. There are plenty of leaves. We don't need no steekin' toilet paper.
You probably have a cat too.
Self cleaning...
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You probably have a cat too.
Self cleaning...
Nope, no pets.
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You probably have a cat too.
Self cleaning...
Reminds me of a story about a bear and a rabbit who were in the woods taking a dump. The bear looked over at the rabbit and said, "Say there, Rabbit. Do you ever have a problem with poop sticking to your fur?" The rabbit replied, "Why no, not at all, Mr. Bear." So the bear reached over, scooped up the rabbit, and wiped his butt with him.
True story.
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President Trump wanted to postpone the Olympics due to coronavirus but Japan said no deal
American Military News by Chris Ryan - NJ Advance Media Group March 13, 2020
https://americanmilitarynews.com/2020/03/president-trump-wanted-to-postpone-the-olympics-due-to-coronavirus-but-japan-said-no-deal/ (https://americanmilitarynews.com/2020/03/president-trump-wanted-to-postpone-the-olympics-due-to-coronavirus-but-japan-said-no-deal/)
While speaking to reporters at the White House on Thursday, President Donald Trump proposed pushing the 2020 Summer Olympics back one year due to the coronavirus outbreak.
The Olympics are schedule to be hosted by Japan this summer.
“I just can’t see having no people there. In other words, not allowing people,†Trump said on Thursday. “Maybe, and this is just my idea, maybe they postpone it for a year.â€
However, Japan’s Olympic Minister, Seiko Hashimoto, shot down that idea.
“The IOC and the organizing committee are not considering cancellation or a postponement — absolutely not at all,†Hashimoto said, according to USA TODAY.
More at link.
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sister/wife?
Same person?
I never asked.
But in the big ball of everything being everything
does it matter that I consider my sister to be
Whammah Jammah as a polite question.
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Done and Done.
I'm behind the dumpster, next to the PopEyes Chicken place.
Don't be late.
'and bring the stuff' you know what i need.
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Installed this today
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Don't need no toilet paper!
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Well, since we've touched on the subject of tp --- (quite frankly I'm hoping that tp production will be ramped up before we run out) Corn husks? So, tell me what then do yo do with the 'used' corn husk? Throw it into an empty field might be an option, but those that don't have a convenient empty field near by ... throwing it in the garbage sounds like a disease spreading disaster just waiting to happen.
15 Ways To Wipe Your Butt When The Toilet Paper Is Gone
https://urbansurvivalsite.com/ways-to-wipe-your-butt-when-the-toilet-paper-is-gone/
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Installed this today
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Don't need no toilet paper!
This takes a bit longer, but it is portable. (And it works on your teeth, too)
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Well, since we've touched on the subject of tp --- (quite frankly I'm hoping that tp production will be ramped up before we run out) Corn husks? So, tell me what then do yo do with the 'used' corn husk? Throw it into an empty field might be an option, but those that don't have a convenient empty field near by ... throwing it in the garbage sounds like a disease spreading disaster just waiting to happen.
15 Ways To Wipe Your Butt When The Toilet Paper Is Gone
https://urbansurvivalsite.com/ways-to-wipe-your-butt-when-the-toilet-paper-is-gone/
What a wimp. @corbe uses pine cones when he wants to feel extra fresh.
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I don't know how this all works but the government may have lifted some "trucking restrictions", talking about hours and all of that, so those goods, lysol or whatever will be on the way.
This really should be for some more serious discussion, this isn't comedy central.
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What a wimp. @corbe uses pine cones when he wants to feel extra fresh.
I know this to be rumored about me @DB but I am down to just 2 rolls of TP and am not worried, proving once again that quite a few Briefers are wrong, I am not full of $hit.
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A serious thread needs a little levity from time to time.
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$hit, now I'm really depressed.
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Davey Crockett toilet paper
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-Gly0No_P0#)
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A serious thread needs a little levity from time to time.
I agree but as you say "a little"... this has been on all day, I'm not judging anyone here, understand that.
I do think some people may find the topic important though, at the same time and maybe some people might be looking in to see what's happening. Onlookers. Remember, we should also serve a community service.
Anyway, everyone has a view and that's mine. I'm not telling anyone what to do but we might think about it. Now, we are into outhouse humor. Again, I'm using my freedom of speech too.
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There's a way to make toilet paper from a square post-it note by folding it twice into a smaller square, tearing off the center corner, putting your finger through the hole, and going to town. Then use the corner piece to clean your nails.
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It's the nature of the human critter to want to laugh at or with the adversity they face in their daily struggle to maintain a balance between wrong and right ~ that Sagan dude
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Corona and Covid
Most popular girls' and boys' names respectively, this coming Christmas due to the national shut down of NBA/NHL/MLB, the Masters?
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Is there any?
As a question?
Is there any Democrat, who does not have White Hair?
These guys are from the 1800s.
I have never met a Democrat who was born in 2000.
These guys are ancient.
Nancy Pelosi was born in 1840
and we still vote for he?
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There's a way to make toilet paper from a square post-it note by folding it twice into a smaller square, tearing off the center corner, putting your finger through the hole, and going to town. Then use the corner piece to clean your nails.
LOL! I remember that skit, when somebody demonstrated what Melissa Etheridge suggested, how to only use one sheet... to save the environment.
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This will also be like 2008 and instead of the consolidation of the Banks, we will witness the consolidation of the Bookies and a lot of insurance Fraud.
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This will also be like 2008 and instead of the consolidation of the Banks, we will witness the consolidation of the Bookies and a lot of insurance Fraud.
Unlike 2008 the recovery ought to be swift when it starts.
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Jerusalem Post Breaking News
BREAKING NEWS
AP closes DC office after journalist shows coronavirus symptoms
By REUTERS MARCH 14, 2020 03:13
The Associated Press is temporarily closing its office from Friday in Washington, D.C. after one of its staff journalists, who had direct contact with a possible coronavirus patient, showed some symptoms of illness, the AP reported.
The staffer was one of hundreds of journalists at a journalism convention last week in New Orleans where an attendee later tested positive for the coronavirus, the news agency said in a news report.
Read more at: https://www.jpost.com/Breaking-News/AP-closes-DC-office-after-journalist-shows-coronavirus-symptoms-620904 (https://www.jpost.com/Breaking-News/AP-closes-DC-office-after-journalist-shows-coronavirus-symptoms-620904)
Man, that's amazing, the journalist probably caught it in New Orleans......unbelievable but I can understand containing it and then, others won't have to go through this.
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AP is closing down, universities are closing, schools in several states are closing, sporting events have been delayed or cancelled .... at this rate, the U.S. may come to a stand still, which is exactly what the "team" that was introduced today during Trump's speech is trying to avoid. Not finding fault with Trump .... but something we need to prepare for on an individual basis. How to survive and get through this in the interim. Things are going to get worse, before they get better, that is becoming inevitable.
Yesterday, in my county we had 4 confirmed cases, with 1 death. Today we have 8. So this virus has doubled overnight. Schools are closed until the end of the month. Hospitals are already at over capacity here and we have medical personnel already in quarantine. Not so sure that temperature is going to halt this virus; we've been in the upper 80's. Parts of Washington are relatively humid, so maybe it thrives in humidity? FL is humid in the cooler months and extremely humid most of the time.
Only time will tell.
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LOL! I remember that skit, when somebody demonstrated what Melissa Etheridge suggested, how to only use one sheet... to save the environment.
IIRC itmwas Cheryl Crow?
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AP is closing down, universities are closing, schools in several states are closing, sporting events have been delayed or cancelled .... at this rate, the U.S. may come to a stand still, which is exactly what the "team" that was introduced today during Trump's speech is trying to avoid. Not finding fault with Trump .... but something we need to prepare for on an individual basis. How to survive and get through this in the interim. Things are going to get worse, before they get better, that is becoming inevitable.
Yesterday, in my county we had 4 confirmed cases, with 1 death. Today we have 8. So this virus has doubled overnight. Schools are closed until the end of the month. Hospitals are already at over capacity here and we have medical personnel already in quarantine. Not so sure that temperature is going to halt this virus; we've been in the upper 80's. Parts of Washington are relatively humid, so maybe it thrives in humidity? FL is humid in the cooler months and extremely humid most of the time.
Only time will tell.
The American entertainment business is dying. Travel is closed. Nobody is going to the theater. Food buffets are shutting down. On the flip side our grocery stores are barren so there is no point in shopping there. When travel is closed and the places to travel to are closed or empty, stores along that route suffer too. I don't think our economy is crippled yet, but how long can businesses afford to employ workers who are not needed until customers or stock return? This could be very ugly.
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https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/stephaniemlee/grand-princess-coronavirus-testing (https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/stephaniemlee/grand-princess-coronavirus-testing)
This Elderly Couple Got Evacuated From The Grand Princess — And Still Can’t Get Tested For The Coronavirus.
“We will be testing everyone on the ship,†said Vice President Mike Pence. But some passengers, now under quarantine in California, said their requests for testing have gone nowhere.
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Salli Spoon, a 72-year-old retired Amtrak employee, and her husband Chuck aboard the Grand Princess.
Four days after the Grand Princess cruise ship docked, passengers now under quarantine in California expressed frustration that they have still not been tested for the coronavirus.
The Grand Princess’s ill-fated voyage sparked international alarm when 21 people on board tested positive for the virus, causing the ship to be held for days off the California coast en route back to San Francisco from Hawaii. Not long before, the coronavirus had spread through another cruise ship, the Diamond Princess, eventually infecting more than 700 people and killing eight.
Before the ship’s more than 3,000 passengers and crew members finally docked in Oakland on Monday, officials announced plans to take the US residents to four military bases for quarantines and screening. “We will be testing everyone on the ship,†Vice President Mike Pence said late last week. “We will be quarantining as necessary.â€
But as the end of this week approached, some passengers said their repeated requests for testing have gone nowhere, making them anxious about whether they have the disease that has so far afflicted more than 128,000 people in a global outbreak that this week was declared an official pandemic.
She's wearing a blue cap. Probably a rat anyways. Shoulda' donated some money to Trump if you wanna get noticed Salli.
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Our house is pretty much surrounded by woods. There are plenty of leaves. We don't need no steekin' toilet paper.
Dang right. For us red necks a half bath means the outdoors. Advantages to living in areas secluded enough to do so. I'd have no other way.
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Alabama company gets approval to move forward with coronavirus test kits...
https://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/alabama-lab-gets-initial-approval-make-coronavirus-test-kits/NEX5OWAV4BF57HCPDZAGIUM6KI/ (https://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/alabama-lab-gets-initial-approval-make-coronavirus-test-kits/NEX5OWAV4BF57HCPDZAGIUM6KI/)
100,000 tests near approval to move out for the market...
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Alabama company gets approval to move forward with coronavirus test kits...
https://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/alabama-lab-gets-initial-approval-make-coronavirus-test-kits/NEX5OWAV4BF57HCPDZAGIUM6KI/ (https://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/alabama-lab-gets-initial-approval-make-coronavirus-test-kits/NEX5OWAV4BF57HCPDZAGIUM6KI/)
100,000 tests near approval to move out for the market...
Great news. Unfortunately, at this point, those tests probably won't prevent the spread, but they will confirm what made people sick or died from. Life moves at you fast. It's nice to have a leader in those times.
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Scorching read in the Atlantic, I read both sides or iow, I will read everything. This is a pretty intellectually detailed read and not my field of expertise.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/03/peter-wehner-trump-presidency-over/607969/ (https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/03/peter-wehner-trump-presidency-over/607969/)
Earlier this week, Anthony Fauci, the widely respected director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases whose reputation for honesty and integrity have been only enhanced during this crisis, admitted in congressional testimony that the United States is still not providing adequate testing for the coronavirus. “It is failing. Let’s admit it.†He added, “The idea of anybody getting [testing] easily, the way people in other countries are doing it, we’re not set up for that. I think it should be, but we’re not."
We also know the World Health Organization had working tests that the United States refused, and researchers at a project in Seattle tried to conduct early tests for the coronavirus but were prevented from doing so by federal officials. (Doctors at the research project eventually decided to perform coronavirus tests without federal approval.)
But that’s not all. The president reportedly ignored early warnings of the severity of the virus and grew angry at a CDC official who in February warned that an outbreak was inevitable. The Trump administration dismantled the National Security Council’s global-health office, whose purpose was to address global pandemics; we’re now paying the price for that. “We worked very well with that office,†Fauci told Congress. “It would be nice if the office was still there.†We may face a shortage of ventilators and medical supplies, and hospitals may soon be overwhelmed, certainly if the number of coronavirus cases increases at a rate anything like that in countries such as Italy. (This would cause not only needless coronavirus-related deaths, but deaths from those suffering from other ailments who won’t have ready access to hospital care.)
@Once-Ler and everyone else,
Now, I'm feeling more like staying in and taking precautions because we've got to be more self-reliant....also, I was hearing, the "normal" flu season will end in early April... so, seek to stay put for most of the time being when possible?
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Here's an informative read I'm still going through..."zoonotic diseases"...
Nautilus:
The Man Who Saw the Pandemic Coming
Will the world now wake up to the global threat of zoonotic diseases?
By Kevin Berger March 12, 2020
How did the current coronavirus pass from a bat to humans?
We don’t know specifically, but presumably the virus was being shed by the animal in the market, and humans were proximal. Or it could have been that people were directly handling the animal. There may have been a secondary source. In the 2002 SARS outbreak in China, we didn’t see people’s direct exposure to bats as the source of infection. There was a secondary source, a wildlife animal, the civet cat.
Could the transmission have resulted from people eating the wildlife?
Typically the preparation of the animal is where you have exposure. By the time it’s cooked and prepared, the virus would have been dead. It’s more common that transmission is through the animal shedding or people slaughtering the animal, when they’re exposed to bodily fluids, blood, and secretions. With the avian influenza from poultry, a lot of the exposure and infections go back to the preparation of chicken for cooking. In Egypt, for instance, when you look at who was infected, more common than not it was a woman, directly responsible for slaughtering and preparing the animal
...
Do bats have a particularly high potential for spillover?
Read more at: http://nautil.us/issue/83/intelligence/the-man-who-saw-the-pandemic-coming (http://nautil.us/issue/83/intelligence/the-man-who-saw-the-pandemic-coming)
This looks like a rather scholarly article too, it's not a critique from what I see but is talking more about what has happened.
Bats are often known as carriers of rabies and of course, the bubonic plague itself.
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Some lady wrote this, this is probably accurate too but just because others have miffed a response doesn't okay others doing it.
When Joe Biden was in charge of the H1N1 Swine Flu epidemic, this happened in America:
60.8 MILLION infected
274,304 hospitalized
12,469 died
By contrast, President @realDonaldTrump
has led, taking unprecedented action to stop the coronavirus & protect Americans!
https://twitter.com/kayleighmcenany/status/1238464733294006273
And then, this too:
By Newt Gingrich | Gingrich360.com
The COVID-19 coronavirus pandemic poses two threats: public health and economic.
I am living in Italy, where my wife Callista is the Ambassador to the Holy See.
I have watched first-hand as the Italian government has worked hard to contain the coronavirus by imposing strong public health measures to try to get the epidemic under control. These measures will lead to significant economic challenges
More: https://newsthud.com/newt-gingrich-currently-living-in-italy-on-what-us-must-do-on-coronavirus-response/
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This might go too far.... but... it's been in the back of my mine, what if one of our members here, ended up getting this thing? Or someone we know....??
You’re Likely to Get the Coronavirus
Most cases are not life-threatening, which is also what makes the virus a historic challenge to contain.
- https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/02/covid-vaccine/607000/ (https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/02/covid-vaccine/607000/)
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Right now, my state is the last to be Corona-free (except for my Dr. Corona profile pic, of course). No confirmed cases yet. Maybe West Virginians have better hygiene than the rest of the country. Or maybe it's just the pepperoni rolls. :pondering:
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National Guard activated to combat coronavirus spread in six states
Military Times 3/13/2020
https://www.militarytimes.com/news/coronavirus/2020/03/13/national-guard-activated-to-combat-coronavirus-spread-in-six-states-more-to-follow/ (https://www.militarytimes.com/news/coronavirus/2020/03/13/national-guard-activated-to-combat-coronavirus-spread-in-six-states-more-to-follow/)
Around 400 National Guard personnel have been activated across six states to support operations to stem the spread of novel coronavirus, the National Guard Bureau said in a press release.
The governors of Florida, Iowa, Louisiana, New York, Rhode Island and Washington have all activated components of their Army and Air National Guard. Guardsmen in California and Maryland are also expected to join their states’ efforts today.
“The National Guard is fully involved at the local, state, and federal level in the planning and execution of the nation’s response to COVID-19,†a National Guard Bureau spokesperson said in the release. “In times of emergency, the National Guard Bureau serves as a federal coordinating agency should a state require assistance from the National Guard of another state.â€
More at link.
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@Once-Ler and everyone else,
Now, I'm feeling more like staying in and taking precautions because we've got to be more self-reliant....also, I was hearing, the "normal" flu season will end in early April... so, seek to stay put for most of the time being when possible?
I am not a virologist @TomSea I don't know how we stay safe. It's the kind of a question a US Pandemic Response Team might be able to answer but, sadly, they were fired a few years ago. I'm just grateful my President doesn't think the victims of a Fake News Hoax died to purposefully make him look indifferent. My rat Governor recommends
WIDeptHealthServices @DHSWI
Recommendations include cancelling events w/250+ people & not traveling to areas in the U.S. w/sustained community transmission. If you do travel to places w/sustained community transmission, isolate in your home for 14 days. #COVID19
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I'm going to risk the possibility that the rats don't want me to die, even though I didn't vote for them, that scientist try to give the best advice possible despite their political associations, and that God would want me to consider this even if it made his chosen redeemer look incompetent.
I point this out because it seems like faith in our public institutions has been severly dimished with some Americans reduced to believing divine guidance will spring from a deeply flawed soul.
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I point this out because it seems like faith in our public institutions has been severly dimished with some Americans reduced to believing divine guidance will spring from a deeply flawed soul.
Just a little retrospection at this point.....
Number of Days of Virus has been reported in the United States- 74. (3-5 cycles)
Number of Deaths (at least reported) of people under 50 without preexisting condtions in the United States = Zero. This seems to be the most under-reported aspect of this crisis.
Stock Market Loses- $6T last week alone. People have been whipped into a frenzy of fear. with runs on stores, hoarding .. I tell you, people have gone absolutley mad over this shit.
How about some common sense for a change:
(1) Instituionalize best-practice public health measures like we do for a flu epidemic, including self-quarantine when symptomatic, or if you beleive you may have remotely come in contact with a COVID-19 positive person,
(2) Most important- Direct resouces to mobilize to focus and protect those who are at risk of death from this Virus.. Nursing homes, elderly, the chronically sick.
(3) 100% urgency toward development of vaccine, and getting the test kits needed so that Epidemiologist can work the data toward as much containment that they can do.
Too many Chicken Littles, Pols with agendas, and a complict MSM are turning this into a needless monumental crisis.
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Just a little retrospection at this point.....
Number of Days of Virus has been reported in the United States- 74. (3-5 cycles)
Number of Deaths (at least reported) of people under 50 without preexisting condtions in the United States = Zero. This seems to be the most under-reported aspect of this crisis.
Stock Market Loses- $6T last week alone. People have been whipped into a frenzy of fear. with runs on stores, hoarding .. I tell you, people have gone absolutley mad over this shit.
I agree. Sadly recognizing the wide spread hysteria does not inhibit panic selling on wallstreet and panic buying at the grocery store. My 401K is decimated and my local store is out of TP. I blame Trump.
How about some common sense for a change:
(1) Instituionalize best-practice public health measures like we do for a flu epidemic, including self-quarantine when symptomatic.
(2) Most important- Direct resouces to mobilize to focus and protect those who are at risk of death from this Virus.. Nursing homes, elderly, the chronically sick.
(3) 100% urgency toward development of vaccine, and getting the test kits needed so that Epidemiologist can work the data toward as much containment that they can do.
Too many Chicken Littles, Pols with agendas, and a complict MSM are turning this into a needless monumental crisis.
Actually the MSM is reporting the crisis not creating it. I also believe which orange-tinted blubber-butt allowed it to become a crisis is indisputable. Keeping in mind the deep distrust most American's feel after 3 years of broken promises, I don't see a clear solution except resigning and hoping people forgive the new President Pence.
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I agree. Sadly recognizing the wide spread hysteria does not inhibit panic selling on wallstreet and panic buying at the grocery store. My 401K is decimated and my local store is out of TP. I blame Trump.
Actually the MSM is reporting the crisis not creating it. I also believe which orange-tinted blubber-butt allowed it to become a crisis is indisputable. Keeping in mind the deep distrust most American's feel after 3 years of broken promises, I don't see a clear solution except resigning and hoping people forgive the new President Pence.
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I would like to know why, when even in the hardest-hit locations around the world infection rates have never even approached 1% of the population, why there are so many so-called "experts" predicting a majority of Americans will get it? A majority of Americans don't even get the flu each year.
It's bad enough that we're taking away people's distractions, throwing wrenches into their everyday lives, and making them anxious. Baseless speculation such as this does nothing but foment panic.
I'll also add: so far, outside Washington, the death rate for this virus is stunningly low here in America compared to the rest of the world. Thousands of cases, not even counting those who haven't been diagnosed yet, and last I checked you could count the number of deaths on your fingers. Whatever we are doing for treatment, it's working.
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I would like to know why, when even in the hardest-hit locations around the world infection rates have never even approached 1% of the population, why there are so many so-called "experts" predicting a majority of Americans will get it? A majority of Americans don't even get the flu each year.
It's bad enough that we're taking away people's distractions, throwing wrenches into their everyday lives, and making them anxious. Baseless speculation such as this does nothing but foment panic.
I'll also add: so far, outside Washington, the death rate for this virus is stunningly low here in America compared to the rest of the world. Thousands of cases, not even counting those who haven't been diagnosed yet, and last I checked you could count the number of deaths on your fingers. Whatever we are doing for treatment, it's working.
Add the fact this virus supposedly doesn't do so well in warm/hot weather.
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Agreed, @jmyrlefuller
I also don't recall that during all those previous "pandemics" - H1N1, Swine Flu, Avian Flu, Ebola, Zika, etc., ad nauseam - the government or anyone else educated the public so quickly after the disease was discovered. This time around, we have been encouraged for weeks about hand-washing, covering a cough with the crook of the elbow, etc. And we certainly didn't shut down sporting events, schools and churches in the past. All of these steps, however extreme, probably will end up in a much smaller infection rate than some (in the media and DNC) would like.
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Add the fact this virus supposedly doesn't do so well in warm/hot weather.
This virus has another two months here, tops. Probably less. It may be back during another flu season, but this bout will be over.
It was funny watched Governor Cuomo yesterday declare that all these extreme measures won't end soon, the virus could be here another 8, 9 months. Gee, what else happens in 8, 9 months?
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Mexico Wants to Close Border with US to Stop Coronavirus Spread 'The United States would bring it here,' top official declares
By: Jay Greenberg |@NeonNettle on 14th March 2020 @ 1.00pm
Mexico wants to close off the border to stop Americans spreading coronavirus Mexico is calling for its northern border with the United States to be closed off to stop Americans from spreading coronavirus into their country. Currently, there are over 2,000 cases of COVID-19 infection in the U.S., with over 40 deaths so far, as it continues to spread rapidly. In Mexico, however, only 16 cases have been confirmed and no deaths. Speaking during a press conference Friday, Mexican Health Minister Hugo Lopez-Gatell said: "Mexico wouldn't bring the virus to the United States, rather the United States would bring it here. "The possible flow of coronavirus would come from the north to the south. "If it were technically necessary, we would consider mechanisms of restriction or stronger surveillance," he said.
READ MORE: https://neonnettle.com/news/10629-mexico-wants-to-close-border-with-us-to-stop-coronavirus-spread
© Neon Nettle
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This virus has another two months here, tops. Probably less. It may be back during another flu season, but this bout will be over.
It was funny watched Governor Cuomo yesterday declare that all these extreme measures won't end soon, the virus could be here another 8, 9 months. Gee, what else happens in 8, 9 months?
They're going to milk this as long as they can... probably until people start getting restless enough to start causing trouble. You think public gatherings are bad, wait until they turn into public mobs!
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Older or Unhealthy: The first 48 U.S. coronavirus deaths in detail
Early American fatalities of the coronavirus are mostly elderly or suffering from health issues.
By Sharyl Attkisson
Last Updated: March 14, 2020 - 9:09amAs Americans spend their first full day under a presidentially declared national state of emergency, many are wondering about the profile of those who have succumbed to the coronavirus so far.
The number of U.S. deaths has been growing since the first one reported in Washington state on Feb. 29. The victim’s name was not released, nor were details of his circumstances. But officials said he lived in King County, was in his 50s, and had “underlying health conditions.â€
As of Friday, the total number of U.S. deaths attributed to coronavirus stood at 48. All but 11 of the deaths were in Washington state. Of the total deaths reported through March 13, more than half (25) were from the Life Care Center nursing facility in Kirkland, Wash., where a serious outbreak occurred.
U.S. health officials said the early pattern of deaths suggests those most at risk are the elderly and those with more serious health issues like diabetes, lung disease or coronary ailments. ...
Rest of article (https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/health/older-or-unhealthy-inside-look-americas-first-coronavirus-deaths#article) enumerates the deceased, noting that all were over 65 and/or had underlying health conditions.
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Older or Unhealthy: The first 48 U.S. coronavirus deaths in detail
Early American fatalities of the coronavirus are mostly elderly or suffering from health issues.
By Sharyl Attkisson
Last Updated: March 14, 2020 - 9:09amRest of article (https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/health/older-or-unhealthy-inside-look-americas-first-coronavirus-deaths#article) enumerates the deceased, noting that all were over 65 and/or had underlying health conditions.
Of the total deaths reported through March 13, more than half (25) were from the Life Care Center nursing facility in Kirkland, Wash.
And, for the most part, all bunched up in ONE nursing home. We here about the living conditions in places like that all the time.
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Older or Unhealthy: The first 48 U.S. coronavirus deaths in detail
Early American fatalities of the coronavirus are mostly elderly or suffering from health issues.
By Sharyl Attkisson
Last Updated: March 14, 2020 - 9:09amRest of article (https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/health/older-or-unhealthy-inside-look-americas-first-coronavirus-deaths#article) enumerates the deceased, noting that all were over 65 and/or had underlying health conditions.
Hey! We don’t need no stinking facts. Scare me, then you can get me to accept anything. Fear, we need more fear. This election isn’t gonna just win itself for Joe. We need more irrational panic. That’s how democrats win. Fear and panic. Oh, and a consequent fear-based market crash. That can always goose a democrat win.
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Scorching read in the Atlantic, I read both sides or iow, I will read everything. This is a pretty intellectually detailed read and not my field of expertise.
Well let's take a closer look at this "Scorching read in the Atlantic", shall we?
We also know the World Health Organization had working tests that the United States refused, and researchers at a project in Seattle tried to conduct early tests for the coronavirus but were prevented from doing so by federal officials.
I call BS.
(Doctors at the research project eventually decided to perform coronavirus tests without federal approval.)
QED. In the very next sentence, the Atlantic contradicts the claim they had just made. How could they have performed tests if the federal government prevented them from performing tests?
Fauci: “It would be nice if the office was still there.†We may face a shortage of ventilators and medical supplies, and hospitals may soon be overwhelmed, certainly if the number of coronavirus cases increases at a rate anything like that in countries such as Italy.
So help me out here. How exactly is having more tests available (for a disease that first popped up on radar only a few weeks ago) going to solve the perceived and unquantified future possibility of ventilator shortages?
Now, I'm feeling more like staying in and taking precautions because we've got to be more self-reliant....
That's a given. Anyone sitting on their ass waiting for the federal government to save them deserves what they get. Any Conservative would know that already.
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https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/stephaniemlee/grand-princess-coronavirus-testing (https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/stephaniemlee/grand-princess-coronavirus-testing)
This Elderly Couple Got Evacuated From The Grand Princess — And Still Can’t Get Tested For The Coronavirus.
What is the rush here? They are both still in quarantine, and showing NO SYMPTOMS. It's not like they are going anywhere. There is still time to test them before they leave. In the meantime, they should be grateful that they are showing no signs of the disease. They should be giving thanks to G-d instead of bitching about why two perfectly healthy individuals haven't been given a test while those who really are sick are diverting the attention of health care workers away from them.
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The American entertainment business is dying. Travel is closed. Nobody is going to the theater.
Don't care about the entertainment business. I am traveling. I am going to dollar-movie theaters to see old releases. Don't know why you feel the need to panic over this.
As for stores, they remain open. Apparently, selling goods is something they have a wacky desire to do. Go figure. Food is available. Soap is available. Cold medicines are available. Hand cleaners are available. And if you go to the store around the time delivery trucks show up on Monday, you could even score some toilet paper.
Speaking of delivery truck drivers, business is booming. And manufacturers will have to step up production to meet orders that usually come from overseas. And then there are all those service jobs that remain viable because they don't require a plant or central office. I simply ain't buying all this Chicken Little crap.
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He Has 17,700 Bottles of Hand Sanitizer and Nowhere to Sell Them
Jack Nicas 1 hr ago
On March 1, the day after the first coronavirus death in the United States, brothers Matt and Noah Colvin set out in a silver S.U.V. to pick up some hand sanitizer. Driving around Chattanooga, Tenn., they hit a Dollar Tree, then a Walmart, a Staples and a Home Depot. At each store, they cleaned out the shelves.
Over the next three days, Noah Colvin took a 1,300-mile road trip across Tennessee and into Kentucky, filling a U-Haul truck with thousands of bottles of hand sanitizer and thousands of packs of antibacterial wipes, mostly from “little hole-in-the-wall dollar stores in the backwoods,†his brother said.
“The major metro areas were cleaned out.â€
Matt Colvin stayed home near Chattanooga, preparing for pallets of even more wipes and sanitizer he had ordered, and starting to list them on Amazon. Mr. Colvin said he had posted 300 bottles of hand sanitizer and immediately sold them all for between $8 and $70 each, multiples higher than what he had bought them for. To him, “it was crazy money.†To many others, it was profiteering from a pandemic.
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/he-has-17700-bottles-of-hand-sanitizer-and-nowhere-to-sell-them/ar-BB11blvS?ocid=spartanntp (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/he-has-17700-bottles-of-hand-sanitizer-and-nowhere-to-sell-them/ar-BB11blvS?ocid=spartanntp)
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Good, you get an ad hom in. Talk rough, talk profane, real classy. Insult someone else. Can't make an argument otherwise. Try to quell free speech with this abuse. Conservatives don't.. oh, never mind, but I could say likewise back.
Oh, you thought I was talking about you? Never visioned you as the 'helpless government leech' type. I learned something today.
Yeah, no backup, no refutation, just say you don't agree with it.
Good grief, the refutation is in the very next sentence. Let me spell it out for your:
Premise A: researchers at a project in Seattle tried but were prevented from performing coronavirus tests
Premise B: Doctors at the research project performed coronavirus tests
Geez, even a fifth grader can figure this one out. The two statements contradict each other. Were you really not able to see that?
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@corbe I’d like a pair.
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Alabama company gets approval to move forward with coronavirus test kits...
https://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/alabama-lab-gets-initial-approval-make-coronavirus-test-kits/NEX5OWAV4BF57HCPDZAGIUM6KI/ (https://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/alabama-lab-gets-initial-approval-make-coronavirus-test-kits/NEX5OWAV4BF57HCPDZAGIUM6KI/)
100,000 tests near approval to move out for the market...
Fort Payne. Cool beans.
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Pentagon halts all domestic travel for military until May 11
'Our goal is to remain ahead of the virus spread so our military force remains effective and ready'
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/mar/14/coronavirus-prompts-pentagon-halt-all-domestic-tra/?utm_source=onesignal&utm_campaign=pushnotify&utm_medium=push (https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/mar/14/coronavirus-prompts-pentagon-halt-all-domestic-tra/?utm_source=onesignal&utm_campaign=pushnotify&utm_medium=push)
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Tom Cotton
@SenTomCotton
Please don’t ridicule people for “overreacting†to the Chinese coronavirus. They’re just trying to protect their families, workers, students, athletes—all of us, really. Instead, think how you can help those in need.
https://twitter.com/SenTomCotton/status/1238793898245402625
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@corbe I’d like a pair.
lololololololololol
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I would like to know why, when even in the hardest-hit locations around the world infection rates have never even approached 1% of the population, why there are so many so-called "experts" predicting a majority of Americans will get it? A majority of Americans don't even get the flu each year.
It's bad enough that we're taking away people's distractions, throwing wrenches into their everyday lives, and making them anxious. Baseless speculation such as this does nothing but foment panic.
I'll also add: so far, outside Washington, the death rate for this virus is stunningly low here in America compared to the rest of the world. Thousands of cases, not even counting those who haven't been diagnosed yet, and last I checked you could count the number of deaths on your fingers. Whatever we are doing for treatment, it's working.
Thanks for the voice of reason.
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I agree. Sadly recognizing the wide spread hysteria does not inhibit panic selling on wallstreet and panic buying at the grocery store. My 401K is decimated and my local store is out of TP. I blame Trump.
Didn't realize Trump was assigned the task of ensuring your local supermarket stocked enough toilet paper for any contingency. Maybe if we turned toilet paper production over to a government-run monopoly, had government trucks deliver it to every store in America, and then mandate those stores provide storage space to provide 50 times the amount of paper that they provide under normal circumstances, and then set limits (i.e. ration it) on the number of rolls each consumer can purchase in a day, maybe then would you be guaranteed to have toilet paper available to you for purchase 24/7. Of course with this setup, the price of a roll of toilet paper could be expected to double, triple, or even quadruple. Milton Freeman used to teach this same scenario in regard to wooden pencils.
As for your 401(k), did you by chance purchase your entire investment in mid-January, and were you really planning on cashing out at the end of this month? Because if you weren't planning on selling, then it really doesn't matter what the market says. And if you didn't purchase all your investment when the DOW was in the 29k range, then I suspect the vast majority of your stock portfolio is worth more now than when you paid for it.
But since you seem to want to put this off on Trump, the DOW today is up 17% since Trump took office. For someone who chooses to put it all on the President, a little praise is in order, don't you think?
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Please don’t ridicule people for “overreacting†to the Chinese coronavirus. They’re just trying to protect their families, workers, students, athletes—all of us, really. Instead, think how you can help those in need.
Fair enough, Tom. How can I help you today?
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Mexico Wants to Close Border with US to Stop Coronavirus Spread 'The United States would bring it here,' top official declares
Mexico wants to close off the border to stop Americans spreading coronavirus Mexico is calling for its northern border with the United States to be closed off to stop Americans from spreading coronavirus into their country.
What will the Democrats' reaction be? Inquiring minds want to know.
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What will the Democrats' reaction be? Inquiring minds want to know.
Too funny....
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On average, 7,452 people die every day in the US.
source (https://www.indexmundi.com/blog/index.php/2018/03/05/how-many-people-die-a-day-in-the-us/)
That's roughly two per county, on average.
Since the beginning of this coronavirus outbreak, 49 Americans have died.
Less than one per day, on average, and 37 were from Washington State, and 25 of those were tied to a single nursing home in Kirkland, over half of the US total.
Among the people in the United States who have died from coronavirus, almost all have been in their 70s, 80s or 90s. The youngest known fatality was a man in his 40s.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/coronavirus-us-cases.html (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/coronavirus-us-cases.html)
Let me put this in perspective, because that is still less than 1 person per day in the entire country who has died of this since the outbreak began.
By contrast, 102 people per day get killed in auto accidents. (You may be 100X more likely to die driving around looking for toilet paper than of the virus).
As sad as it is, an average of 132 people per day in the US die by their own hand.
Over 45 people per day die from falls in the US.
Sixteen per day are killed crossing the street in pedestrian/vehicle accidents.
Three people per day, on average, die from being too hot or too cold (hypo/hyper thermia, not counting those who die in fires).
While this virus is something new and different, something seemingly more random than falling down or not looking both ways before crossing the street, so far the number of deaths from the coronavirus are statistically insignificant compared to other causes of death in the US.
Maybe it is just me, but I really don't understand the panic.
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Mexico Wants to Close Border with US to Stop Coronavirus Spread 'The United States would bring it here,' top official declares
By: Jay Greenberg |@NeonNettle on 14th March 2020 @ 1.00pm
Mexico wants to close off the border to stop Americans spreading coronavirus Mexico is calling for its northern border with the United States to be closed off to stop Americans from spreading coronavirus into their country. Currently, there are over 2,000 cases of COVID-19 infection in the U.S., with over 40 deaths so far, as it continues to spread rapidly. In Mexico, however, only 16 cases have been confirmed and no deaths. Speaking during a press conference Friday, Mexican Health Minister Hugo Lopez-Gatell said: "Mexico wouldn't bring the virus to the United States, rather the United States would bring it here. "The possible flow of coronavirus would come from the north to the south. "If it were technically necessary, we would consider mechanisms of restriction or stronger surveillance," he said.
READ MORE: https://neonnettle.com/news/10629-mexico-wants-to-close-border-with-us-to-stop-coronavirus-spread
© Neon Nettle
Just tell them no dice. We'll build a wall, but they have to pay for it....
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This Elderly Couple Got Evacuated From The Grand Princess — And Still Can’t Get Tested For The Coronavirus.
Obviously Trump's Fault. We got 'im now!
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While this virus is something new and different, something seemingly more random than falling down or not looking both ways before crossing the street, so far the number of deaths from the coronavirus are statistically insignificant compared to other causes of death in the US.
Maybe it is just me, but I really don't understand the panic.
That's right.
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Tom Cotton
@SenTomCotton
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Mar 11
It get worse.
A New Jersey mayor told Pallone in person that more masks were needed. The mayor didn’t know Pallone—a New Jersey representative—was the very reason first responders had a mask shortage in the first place.
@FrankPallone is a disgrace.
Then, he links to an article:
.... Wahler said Piscataway has ordered 5,000 face masks for the township's first responders but suppliers have run out.
"If our first responders can't get it, how can the public get it?" he asked.
Wahler also said the township has to revise its proposed budget based on the lower bookings at township hotels and lower occupancy tax revenues.
https://www.mycentraljersey.com/story/news/health/2020/03/09/coronoavirus-could-have-unforeseen-consequences-nj-families-more/5001197002/ (https://www.mycentraljersey.com/story/news/health/2020/03/09/coronoavirus-could-have-unforeseen-consequences-nj-families-more/5001197002/)
I'm not sure if the article is directly connected to or confirms what Cotton says but good to know. He seems to be trying to set the record straight.
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South Korea’s coronavirus response is the opposite of China and Italy – and it’s working
https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/health-environment/article/3075164/south-koreas-coronavirus-response-opposite-china-and (https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/health-environment/article/3075164/south-koreas-coronavirus-response-opposite-china-and)
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I saw a chart, where the US leads virtually everyone is beds for patients. That's kind of a scary thought actually, supposedly some of these countries have had problems having a hospital bed for patients.
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I might remind some, this thread started in Mid-January, it's gained about 30 pages over the last week, obviously, however one characterizes it, this is a big story... to me, this may be the biggest news story since 9/11.
Since, there is a medical and health risk involved, we asked that it get moved to health and education.
So, yes, I think I have the right to at least, meekly comment on it and what is going on. Here, the streets are largely empty, stores are empty, Oh, Look there, Walgreen's isn't, bizarre, long line last night and they were sold out of a lot.
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Older or Unhealthy: The first 48 U.S. coronavirus deaths in detail
Early American fatalities of the coronavirus are mostly elderly or suffering from health issues.
By Sharyl Attkisson
Last Updated: March 14, 2020 - 9:09amRest of article (https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/health/older-or-unhealthy-inside-look-americas-first-coronavirus-deaths#article) enumerates the deceased, noting that all were over 65 and/or had underlying health conditions.
Thanks for the link Mountaineer. I've been looking for this for days now. Maybe @TomSea might temper down his fear factor tactics a tad now.
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They're going to milk this as long as they can... probably until people start getting restless enough to start causing trouble. You think public gatherings are bad, wait until they turn into public mobs!
There's a chance more people will die from murders and suicides from Cornovirus induced Cabin Fever than the disease itself, if this madness sustains for any length of time.
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All these sports nuts are having to pay attention to their wives now, so I also expect the divorce rate to shoot up in America.
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All these sports nuts are having to pay attention to their wives now, so I also expect the divorce rate to shoot up in America.
How about all those local TV sportscasters. They going to twittle their thumbs 5 minutes between 6:15- 6:20?
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How about all those local TV sportscasters. They going to twittle their thumbs 5 minutes between 6:15- 6:20?
NFL free agency is still taking place. No physical contact is needed for that. I've been seeing a lot of those news reports lately.
It helps maintain at least some semblance of normality.
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Trump’s Surgeon General Jerome Adams Advises Hospitals to Cancel Elective Surgeries
written by J.C McCallum March 14, 2020
The Trump administration via U.S. Surgeon General Jerome Adams just advised hospitals to cancel elective procedures in preparation for the coronavirus.
Adams made the striking request on Twitter and he gave some solid reasons. The main one is to flatten the curve.
We know we will soon see our hospitals flooded with patients – treatment works but as we saw in Italy and China the key is to have access to hospital beds and equipment. A sudden influx will overload the system so you can expect to see more hospitals start doing this.
Read more at: https://newsthud.com/trumps-surgeon-general-jerome-adams-advises-hospitals-to-cancel-elective-surgeries/
The Deep State and Elitists at work again. *****rollingeyes*****
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Just for comparison's sake:
"...Italy’s total cases now tally 21,157."
https://apnews.com/fd1743f8b54b17310cc6e4b3445f2914 (https://apnews.com/fd1743f8b54b17310cc6e4b3445f2914)
Gov. DeWine: 100,000 believed to have coronavirus in Ohio, number projected to double every six days
https://www.foxnews.com/media/governor-dewine-100k-believed-to-have-cv-in-ohio-number-will-double-every-six-days (https://www.foxnews.com/media/governor-dewine-100k-believed-to-have-cv-in-ohio-number-will-double-every-six-days)
So, per these facts, Ohio has a lot more cases of Coronavirus, yes, I'm sure there are many undiagnosed cases in Italy but still, the difference is stunning.
I'm sure, the Ohio figure is overblown and not a slight on the good Governor there, I'm sure he's alright but still.
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Just for comparison's sake:
So, per these facts, Ohio has a lot more cases of Coronavirus, yes, I'm sure there are many undiagnosed cases in Italy but still, the difference is stunning.
I'm sure, the Ohio figure is overblown and not a slight on the good Governor there, I'm sure he's alright but still.
Obviously Trump's Fault. We got 'im now!
Pardon my French someone's ass is going to handed to oblivion. Roomba.
If you had any factual relevance to your posts, meaning that yougivefuckalot you might have some standing. Might. Trump has made the NithCircus to a back alley comedy act.
He is a taker. I am a giver.
He hasn't taken away anything I have already given.
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CDC’s Worst-Case Coronavirus Model: 214 Million Infected, 1.7 Million Dead
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/03/cdcs-worst-case-coronavirus-model-210m-infected-1-7m-dead.html
I'll repeat as said in the other thread, even if somehow one says, well, 97.5 who die are the elderly, of the other millions infected, a lot of them will apparently still need medicines and maybe hospital stays. How does the system handle that?
And no, CDC is not gospel and what they say does not necessarily mean it will come true.
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RNC Chairwoman Ronna McDaniel tested for coronavirus after symptoms
Republican National Committee (RNC) Chairwoman Ronna McDaniel has been tested for the coronavirus after experiencing a fever and flu-like symptoms, the organization said on Saturday.
“Last night, Chairwoman McDaniel began experiencing a fever and flu-like symptoms, and she went to her local hospital in Michigan for treatment. Flu and strep tests were administered and came back negative,†Communications Director Michael Ahrens said.
“Her doctor determined a test for COVID-19 was necessary given her symptoms,†he said.
Read more at: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/rnc-chairwomen-ronna-mcdaniel-tested-coronavirus (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/rnc-chairwomen-ronna-mcdaniel-tested-coronavirus)
This is who Donna Brazile told to "go to ...."....
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Retired Senator Orrin Hatch (https://twitter.com/RetiredOrrin) of all people, retweeted this out:
coronavirus Mar. 10, 2020
What Does ‘Social Distancing’ Really Mean?
By Katie Heaney @KTHeaney
As COVID-19 continues to spread across the world, public-health recommendations grow more stringent: Italy is currently on lockdown, while in the United States, several states have declared states of emergency, schools are closing, events are being canceled, and stockpiling continues. Healthy citizens’ movements remain largely unrestricted, and confirmed cases in the U.S. appear relatively low. But we know domestic testing for coronavirus is woefully limited, and public-health experts expect continued community transmission across the country — particularly if we don’t take more drastic measures, like social distancing.
Social distancing refers to a public-health protection measure meant to reduce and slow transmission of disease. Currently, social distancing is neither required nor enforced in the United States, though sick people are expected to self-quarantine and seek medical help. (It is not yet clear how people without paid sick leave will be able to do so.) But as a recent Vox graph shows, protective measures like self-quarantine and canceled events can vastly reduce the number of COVID-19 cases, and experts say it’s one of the best public-health measures we have. So what does social distancing look like? (Can you still have friends over? Can you go to the gym?) We got in touch with Lori Uscher-Pines, a senior health-policy researcher at the RAND Corporation, a nonprofit global policy think tank, to learn more.
Why is social distancing important?
In an infectious-disease outbreak, there are two types of intervention: pharmaceutical (like vaccines and anti-virals) and non-pharmaceutical, explains Uscher-Pines. Social distancing is one of the best — and the only — preemptive, non-pharmaceutical measures available on the larger population level. “Social distancing plays a big role before the medical community can create vaccines and appropriate treatments,†says Uscher-Pines. “It’s one of the only tools that we have to really slow down the progress of an epidemic or pandemic.â€
Read more at: https://www.thecut.com/2020/03/what-is-social-distancing.html (https://www.thecut.com/2020/03/what-is-social-distancing.html)
This is a real buzz-phrase going around. So, sort of a public service message.
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Don't care about the entertainment business. I am traveling. I am going to dollar-movie theaters to see old releases. Don't know why you feel the need to panic over this.
in that case
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South Korea’s coronavirus response is the opposite of China and Italy – and it’s working
https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/health-environment/article/3075164/south-koreas-coronavirus-response-opposite-china-and (https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/health-environment/article/3075164/south-koreas-coronavirus-response-opposite-china-and)
Thanks for the info. One thing that S. Korea is doing -- people ARE wearing masks. So the CDC was wrong to tell people not to wear masks. If I recall correctly, today it was mentioned during the press conference that companies will be making 30 million masks a month. So -- hopefully, in time people will have masks to protect them.
Unfortunately, the masks I purchased a couple of years ago expired -- I had no idea that there was an expiration date on them. Haven't heard from @Victoria33 in awhile -- something she may be able to clarify. Would wearing an expired mask be better than nothing??
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in that case
(https://i.imgur.com/c4jt321.png)
I am not sitting in a burning building. And neither are you.
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Didn't realize Trump was assigned the task of ensuring your local supermarket stocked enough toilet paper for any contingency.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/398887965302091776
Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
Leadership: Whatever happens, you're responsible. If it doesn't happen, you're responsible.
1:01 PM · Nov 8, 2013
But since you seem to want to put this off on Trump, the DOW today is up 17% since Trump took office. For someone who chooses to put it all on the President, a little praise is in order, don't you think?
"Mr. President, I want to thank you so much. I said, what did I do? He said my 401K is down 20% in 2 weeks and my wife thinks I'm, for the first time, a financial genius."
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Thanks for the info. One thing that S. Korea is doing -- people ARE wearing masks. So the CDC was wrong to tell people not to wear masks. If I recall correctly, today it was mentioned during the press conference that companies will be making 30 million masks a month. So -- hopefully, in time people will have masks to protect them.
Unfortunately, the masks I purchased a couple of years ago expired -- I had no idea that there was an expiration date on them. Haven't heard from @Victoria33 in awhile -- something she may be able to clarify. Would wearing an expired mask be better than nothing??
The N95 type masks may have activated carbon for a filter. That carbon will absorb things from the air if not completely sealed. Once it absorbs too much it becomes saturated and doesn't filter things as well as it is rated for when later used.
Also note you can only use a mask once. 30 million masks a month isn't enough for a large population like SK.
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All these sports nuts are having to pay attention to their wives now, so I also expect the divorce rate to shoot up in America.
@corbe
If we are cooped up inside for long I predict a baby boom.
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The N95 type masks may have activated carbon for a filter. That carbon will absorb things from the air if not completely sealed. Once it absorbs too much it becomes saturated and doesn't filter things as well as it is rated for when later used.
Also note you can only use a mask once. 30 million masks a month isn't enough for a large population like SK.
I have two types of masks the N95 type and anti-viral. It is the anti-viral that has an expiration date. Thanks for the info, I really didn't think about only using the mask once.
We've decided not to venture out anymore and are staying home.
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I certainly hope so @Once-Ler
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Hoarding bros hoping to profiteer off coronavirus stuck with 17K bottles of hand sanitizer
NY Post by Dean Balsamini 3/14/2020
https://nypost.com/2020/03/14/hoarding-bros-hoping-to-profiteer-off-coronavirus-stuck-with-17k-bottles-of-hand-sanitizer/
Brothers, can you spare a hand santizer?
Matt and Noah Colvin cooked up a get-rich scheme to glom all of the antibacterial wipes and hand sanitizers they could find after the first U.S. coronavirus was reported March 1 and make a killing on the re-sale, according to a New York Times interview.
The Colvins — piloting a silver SUV — snapped up all the sanitizers they could find across Tennessee and Kentucky. They thought they were on the road to Easy Street when the first 300 bottles of hand sanitizer they purchased sold out for between $8 and $70 a pop, which was “multiples higher than what he had bought them for,†the Times story said.
EBay is prohibiting any US sales of masks or sanitizer
The brothers cleaned out a Dollar Tree, a Walmart, Staples and Home Depot and bought thousands of packs of antibacterial wipes from “little hole-in-the-wall dollar stores in the backwoods,†the Times reported.
More at link.
Map of coronavirus cases in the US
(https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2020/03/coronavirus-forweb-us-map-march14.jpg)
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Trump tests negative for coronavirus, doctor says
NY Post 3/14/2020
https://nypost.com/2020/03/14/trump-tests-negative-for-coronavirus-doctor-says/ (https://nypost.com/2020/03/14/trump-tests-negative-for-coronavirus-doctor-says/)
President Donald Trump has tested negative for the new coronavirus, according to the president’s personal physician.
The White House released the test results Saturday night after Trump told reporters hours earlier that he had taken the coronavirus test, following days of resisting being screened despite the fact that he had been in recent contact with three people who have tested positive for the virus, including members of the Brazilian president’s delegation who visited with him at his Florida resort.
“One week after having dinner with the Brazilian delegation in Mar-a-Lago, the President remains symptom-free,†Sean Conley, the president’s physician, said in a memo.
More at link.
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Trump tests negative for coronavirus, doctor says
NY Post 3/14/2020
https://nypost.com/2020/03/14/trump-tests-negative-for-coronavirus-doctor-says/ (https://nypost.com/2020/03/14/trump-tests-negative-for-coronavirus-doctor-says/)
Toby Morton @tobymorton
“I have the best results. Extremely negative. The most negative they’ve ever seen. Some are saying I have reverse CoronaVirus. I’ll be used to develop a vaccine. Maybe by tomorrow, I dunno. Very big words though.â€
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I am sure that news disappointed our fine media.
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Thanks for the info. One thing that S. Korea is doing -- people ARE wearing masks. So the CDC was wrong to tell people not to wear masks. If I recall correctly, today it was mentioned during the press conference that companies will be making 30 million masks a month. So -- hopefully, in time people will have masks to protect them. Unfortunately, the masks I purchased a couple of years ago expired -- I had no idea that there was an expiration date on them. Haven't heard from @Victoria33 in awhile -- something she may be able to clarify. Would wearing an expired mask be better than nothing??
@libertybele
I have:
20 N95
50 Surgical Masks with Face Guard
25 Full Face Shields
Had them a long time stored in room temperature - they are fine.
Consider the rest in "Quotes"
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/release-stockpiled-N95.html (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/release-stockpiled-N95.html)
Considerations to inform product release decisions
A study to evaluate stockpiled N95s from 10 geographically dispersed facilities with a range of storage conditions is underway by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s (CDC) National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health (NIOSH). This study includes data from 11 different N95 models. Ten reports detailing the performance results of respirators sampled from these 10 facilities are available on the NIOSH webpage. All N95 units evaluated in this study were manufactured between 2003 and 2013. Many have exceeded their manufacturer-designated shelf life. Testing was done in accordance with NIOSH performance standards for filtration efficiency and inhalation/exhalation resistance. Additional work to assess N95 fit testing is also included in the study, although a fit assessment is not a requirement for NIOSH approval of N95s.
Based on preliminary information gained in this study, many models have continued to perform in accordance with NIOSH performance standards. Accordingly, CDC/NIOSH believes the following products, despite being past their manufacturer-designated shelf life, should provide the expected level of protection to the user if the stockpile conditions have generally been in accordance with the manufacturer-recommended storage conditions and an OSHA-compliant respiratory protection program is used by employers. In alphabetical order, these models are:
3M 1860
3M 1870
3M 8210
3M 9010
3M 8000
Gerson 1730
Medline/Alpha Protech NON27501
Moldex 1512
Moldex 2201
Summary
N95s that are past their manufacturer-designated shelf life are no longer considered NIOSH-approved, as all manufacturer-designated conditions of use must be met to maintain the NIOSH approval.
In times of increased demand and decreased supply, consideration can be made to use the N95s listed above past their manufacturer-designated shelf life when responding to COVID-19.
This preliminary information from the NIOSH study suggests certain N95 models beyond their manufacturer-designated shelf life[ii] will be protective. CDC recommends that N95s that have exceeded their manufacturer-designated shelf life should be used only as outlined in the Strategies for Optimizing the Supply of N95 Respirators.
Ten reports detailing the performance results of respirators sampled from ten stockpile facilities are available on the NIOSH webpage
Firm conclusions cannot be drawn for stockpiled N95 models beyond those tested in this study; however, the 3M 1860S is a smaller version of the 3M 1860, constructed from the same materials, and is expected to perform in the same manner. The 3M 8000 is no longer produced; however, it should still be effective at protecting workers if the straps are intact and there are no visible signs of damage. While it performed favorably when evaluated against the NIOSH approval requirements, it is no longer supported by the manufacturer (i.e., user instructions, donning instructions, etc. are no longer available).
The Kimberly-Clark 46827 (size small) and Kimberly-Clark 46727 (size regular) may not provide the expected level of protection to the wearer when past their manufacturer-designated shelf life of 5 years. In June 2018, Kimberly Clark issued a letter to customers regarding these models, reminding them that they should be disposed of if beyond their shelf life, regardless of whether a shelf life is designated on the product label/packaging. It is important to note that the results of this study are for stockpiled N95s which have undergone long-term storage and have exceeded any manufacturer-designated shelf life. These results are not an indication of this product’s performance when purchased new for (1) just-in-time use or (2) routine use.
CDC/NIOSH Recommendations
In times of increased demand and decreased supply, consideration can be given to use the N95s listed above past their manufacturer-designated shelf life when responding to COVID-19. Although this preliminary information from the NIOSH study suggests certain N95 models beyond their manufacturer-designated shelf life[ii] will be protective, CDC recommends that N95s that have exceeded their manufacturer-designated shelf life should be used only as outlined in the Strategies for Optimizing the Supply of N95 Respirators.
The respirators exceeding their manufacturer-designated shelf life are only being released due to the potential urgent demand caused by the COVID-19 public health emergency. In the face of this emergency, the U.S. Government believes that the respirators beyond their manufacturer-designated shelf life should provide greater respiratory protection than surgical masks (i.e., medical masks) alone, improvised mouth and nose covers (e.g., bandanas), or no protection at all. Please note that surgical N95s are normally tested for fluid resistance and flammability. These requirements were not evaluated in this study. CDC does not recommend using N95s beyond the manufacturer-designated shelf life in surgical settings.
Prior to using these expired respirators, consideration should be given to acquiring other NIOSH-approved respirators including all types of filtering facepiece respirators, elastomeric respirators, or powered air purifying respirators as described in the Strategies for Optimizing the Supply of N95 Respirators. This recommendation is made because healthcare services are essential and must continue in the face of the COVID-19 outbreak. Users of N95s that have exceeded the manufacturer-designated shelf life should be notified before their use and the importance of inspection and user seal checks should be reemphasized.
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Toby Morton @tobymorton
“I have the best results. Extremely negative. The most negative they’ve ever seen. Some are saying I have reverse CoronaVirus. I’ll be used to develop a vaccine. Maybe by tomorrow, I dunno. Very big words though.â€
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/02/02/05/3CBF518100000578-4183034-image-a-20_1486013942117.jpg)
I concur
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Here is another Trump-hater spreading panic.
Newt Gingrich: I Am in Italy Amid the Coronavirus Crisis. America Must Act Now—And Act Big
https://www.newsweek.com/newt-gingrich-i-am-italy-amid-coronavirus-crisis-america-must-act-now-act-big-opinion-1492270 (https://www.newsweek.com/newt-gingrich-i-am-italy-amid-coronavirus-crisis-america-must-act-now-act-big-opinion-1492270)
The COVID-19 coronavirus pandemic poses two threats: public health and economic.
I am living in Italy, where my wife, Callista, is the ambassador to the Holy See.
I have watched first-hand as the Italian government has worked hard to contain the coronavirus by imposing strong public health measures to try to get the epidemic under control. These measures will lead to significant economic challenges.
As I write:
All schools are closed in all of Italy.
All churches are closed (including St. Peter's Basilica).
All weddings and funerals are postponed.
All restaurants are closed.
In fact, all stores except grocery stores and pharmacies are closed.
People are urged to work from home unless they work in special designated factories
The streets are almost empty.
These steps are not an overreaction. The coronavirus is out of control of in Northern Italy. As of 6 p.m. local/1 p.m. EST on March 10, there were 15,113 total cases in Italy, with 12,839 active cases, 1,016 deaths and 1,258 recoveries. And there were 162 total cases here in Rome.
More Fake News/DNC/NeverTrumper talking points at link
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@libertybele
I have:
20 N95
50 Surgical Masks with Face Guard
25 Full Face Shields
Had them a long time stored in room temperature - they are fine.
Thank you @Victoria33 the information is very helpful. I just wished I had purchased more. I don't think the time has come yet that I need to wear one, but I am thankful that I have the few on hand that I do.
My county just announced that a testing site not too far from here will be opening Monday afternoon. A doctor's order will need to be issued and an appointment set. You drive up, have your nose swabbed and they then will send the sample off to the lab. The results should be available in 3-5 days.
We live in very uncertain and scary times.
Tomorrow is national prayer day. There is always hope that our nation will have minimal suffering from this.
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Noot: I am living in Italy, where my wife, Callista, is the ambassador to the Holy See.
This marks the first time in 40 years that Noot hasn't lived inside the Beltway.
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Thank you @Victoria33 the information is very helpful. I just wished I had purchased more. I don't think the time has come yet that I need to wear one, but I am thankful that I have the few on hand that I do. My county just announced that a testing site not too far from here will be opening Monday afternoon. A doctor's order will need to be issued and an appointment set. You drive up, have your nose swabbed and they then will send the sample off to the lab. The results should be available in 3-5 days. We live in very uncertain and scary times.
Tomorrow is national prayer day. There is always hope that our nation will have minimal suffering from this.
@libertybele
About the masks I have: We are giving some away to friends who are also older. I think everyone here knows I am 86 and Bob is 85. I am not leaving the house - but I can't go anywhere anyway since my right knee has collapsed. I have to have the knee replaced with a metal one as soon as the virus is under control - surgeon doesn't want to do it until then.
If you have never been tested for flu, this is what happens and it is not fun (I had it done one or two years ago)
Nurse has two swabs, each about 6+ inches long with cotton ball on the end. She shoves the swab up your nose and doesn't stop until the swab will not go any further - it hits the wall where the canal is leading to your throat/esophagus. Then, she twirls it around for about 5 seconds, then pulls it out and does the same with the other swab and other nostril. It is really uncomfortable. I did not have the flu that time.
Since I now have the time, am writing an essay, "Second Coming of Christ, Eternal Life, Heaven". Am doing my research now.
I hope you stay well,
Victoria33
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What is the rush here? They are both still in quarantine, and showing NO SYMPTOMS. It's not like they are going anywhere. There is still time to test them before they leave. In the meantime, they should be grateful that they are showing no signs of the disease. They should be giving thanks to G-d instead of bitching about why two perfectly healthy individuals haven't been given a test while those who really are sick are diverting the attention of health care workers away from them.
Friday night President Trump and his doctor said he didn't need to be tested. Sat afternoon they want me to believe the test came back negative. Shoulda' donated some money to Trump if you wanna get noticed Salli. You're not important, so just sit down in your box and shut-up while the President saves those of us who will live.
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Holy Cow! As Harry Caray would say.... you all heard, at the White House, they didn't let in a journalist because he had a temperature?? Right? Who was the journalist?
Robby Starbuck
@robbystarbuck
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A "journalist" from a channel that is controlled by communist China tried to come into the White House today with a fever. It’s entirely fair to wonder what the hell is going on here and for agents to ask some serious questions.
Kelly O'Donnell
@KellyO
Journalist turned away after temperature screening. His organization appears to be CGTN an English language channel that is Chinese owned.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ETFSVMhX0AEphzK?format=jpg&name=small)
https://twitter.com/robbystarbuck/status/1238977219290112002
Anyone can find CGTN on youtube, Chinese Global Television Network... so, a bit strange....
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BNO Newsroom
@BNODesk
NEW: Teaneck, New Jersey, mayor asks all residents to self-quarantine and to only leave their home for food or medicine - WABC
5:47 PM · Mar 14, 2020·TweetDeck
https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1238960074476961792
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BNO Newsroom
@BNODesk
NEW: Hoboken, New Jersey announces daily 10 p.m. to 5 a.m. curfew in effort to stop coronavirus
https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1239031543311597568
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Now is the time for social distancing, before the disease gets 'completely out of control' - CBC
If your are going to stoke the fires of this panic, at least get the Agency acronym spelling right. :cool:
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Corona Is Slowing Down, Humanity Will Survive, Says Biophysicist Michael Levitt
When Levitt started analyzing the data on February 1, Hubei had 1,800 new cases each day and within six days this number reached 4,700, he said. “And then, on February 7, the number of new infections started to drop linearly and did not stop. A week later, the same happened with the number of the deaths. This dramatic change in the curve marked the median point and enabled better prediction of when the pandemic will end. Based on that, I concluded that the situation in all of China will improve within two weeks. And, indeed, now there are very few new infection cases.â€
Initially, Levitt said, every coronavirus patient in China infected on average 2.2 people a day—spelling exponential growth that can only lead to disaster. “But then it started dropping, and the number of new daily infections is now close to zero.†He compared it to interest rates again: “even if the interest rate keeps dropping, you still make money. The sum you invested does not lessen, it just grows more slowly. When discussing diseases, it frightens people a lot because they keep hearing about new cases every day. But the fact that the infection rate is slowing down means the end of the pandemic is near.â€
There are several reasons for this, according to Levitt. “In exponential growth models, you assume that new people can be infected every day, because you keep meeting new people. But, if you consider your own social circle, you basically meet the same people every day. You can meet new people on public transportation, for example; but even on the bus, after some time most passengers will either be infected or immune.â€
https://www.calcalistech.com/ctech/articles/0,7340,L-3800632,00.html (https://www.calcalistech.com/ctech/articles/0,7340,L-3800632,00.html)
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If your are going to stoke the fires of this panic, at least get the Agency acronym spelling right. :cool:
CBC, Canadian Broadcasting Company, ever hear of them??
So, w-r-o-n-g.
And by the way, your accusation of people being alarmist, "stoke the fires of this panic", is just quelling free speech. This is the news so yes, that is a personal attack. People should be informed.
Now, discuss the issues instead of each other. This is tiresome.
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Did a little reading this morning looking for figures on the number of flu deaths in the US so far vs, the number of coronavirus deaths. Flu deaths still far and away exceeds the number of coronavirus deaths.
Coronavirus updates: Trump tests negative, 20 states close all schools, US death toll hits 50
At least 50 people have died in the U.S., where there have been more than 2,100 confirmed cases of the virus.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/03/14/coronavirus-updates-trump-may-get-tested-house-passes-relief-bill/5032571002/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/03/14/coronavirus-updates-trump-may-get-tested-house-passes-relief-bill/5032571002/)
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Three new flu deaths in Connecticut
Nationally, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimate that so far this season there have been at least 34 million flu illnesses, 350,000 hospitalizations and 20,000 flu-associated deaths.
https://www.bing.com/search?q=flu+deaths+2020+usa&form=EDNTHT&mkt=en-us&httpsmsn=1&msnews=1&rec_search=1&plvar=0&refig=9d11fa86236d4a189dd33cc663e7a708&PC=DCTS&sp=-1&pq=flu+deaths+2020+usa&sc=5-19&qs=n&sk=&cvid=9d11fa86236d4a189dd33cc663e7a708 (https://www.bing.com/search?q=flu+deaths+2020+usa&form=EDNTHT&mkt=en-us&httpsmsn=1&msnews=1&rec_search=1&plvar=0&refig=9d11fa86236d4a189dd33cc663e7a708&PC=DCTS&sp=-1&pq=flu+deaths+2020+usa&sc=5-19&qs=n&sk=&cvid=9d11fa86236d4a189dd33cc663e7a708)
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CBC, Canadian Broadcasting Company, ever hear of them??
So, w-r-o-n-g.
And by the way, your accusation of people being alarmist, "stoke the fires of this panic", is just quelling free speech. This is the news so yes, that is a personal attack. People should be informed.
Now, discuss the issues instead of each other. This is tiresome.
You are citing a MSM broadcast network for intelligent information about dealing with this? The CBC? HA HA HA HA HA!!!!! You have gone off the rails. Do this site a favor and resign as moderator. Moderators are supposed to be above the fray. You just make it worse.
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Please limit conversation on this thread to news about the virus. Personal attacks will not be tolerated.
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https://twitter.com/AaronBlake/status/1239183395751591947
Aaron Blake @AaronBlake
Mnuchin on Trump's Wednesday address: "I don’t think he got things wrong at all.â€
@jonkarl
notes Trump was most definitely wrong when he said trade was halted.
Mnuchin: “We were very clear that people misinterpreted the comment on cargo.â€
Gaslighting.
How embarrassing. When the President announced we were banning cargo, I misinterpreted that we banning cargo. Sorry. My bad.
Deep State Space Force @hillmikedc
23m
Replying to @AaronBlake and @jonkarl
Abasing yourself to own the libs.
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https://twitter.com/AaronBlake/status/1239183395751591947
How embarrassing. When the President announced we were banning cargo, I misinterpreted that we banning cargo. Sorry. My bad.
Trump already clarified his remarks:
Hoping to get the payroll tax cut approved by both Republicans and Democrats, and please remember, very important for all countries & businesses to know that trade will in no way be affected by the 30-day restriction on travel from Europe. The restriction stops people not goods.â€
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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1239005760664801281/photo/1
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ETHVK6uXgAURP1A.jpg)
"Tested"? :silly:
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Trump already clarified his remarks:
Hoping to get the payroll tax cut approved by both Republicans and Democrats, and please remember, very important for all countries & businesses to know that trade will in no way be affected by the 30-day restriction on travel from Europe. The restriction stops people not goods.â€
Yes. That would indicate that Mnuchin was lying though his teeth this morning, and the President did in fact misspeak requiring a clarification.
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You are citing a MSM broadcast network for intelligent information about dealing with this? The CBC? HA HA HA HA HA!!!!! You have gone off the rails. Do this site a favor and resign as moderator. Moderators are supposed to be above the fray. You just make it worse.
@catfish1957
@TomSea is an excellent Moderator, whom we rely upon pretty heavily when there are big international stories. He is indispensable for World News stories, as people both interested and knowledgeable in foreign affairs are hard to come by.
Tom has our support, and we stand behind his decisions.
That is all.
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Did anyone read anything a couple of weeks back about flaws with CDC test kits? My apologies if I missed this discussion earlier.
Kit glitch slows coronavirus tests for Georgia and other states
Helena Oliviero, AJC | Feb 27, 2020
As coronavirus continues to spread around the globe, the Georgia Department of Public Health is facing a major glitch in testing for the outbreak.
The Georgia Public Health Lab recently received a diagnostic kit from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to test for the virus. Like those sent to other states, a flaw in the kits made them unusable.
This means all testing must be done at the CDC, slowing efforts across the U.S. to track the movement of COVID-19, as the virus is known officially.
https://www.ajc.com/news/state--regional/kit-glitch-slows-coronavirus-tests-for-georgia-and-other-states/eFjPG34LFClPYRg2FoKEEI/ (https://www.ajc.com/news/state--regional/kit-glitch-slows-coronavirus-tests-for-georgia-and-other-states/eFjPG34LFClPYRg2FoKEEI/)
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Since that time, Georgia has received usable kits.
Coronavirus testing ramps up in Georgia
By Beau Evans Staff Writer Capitol Beat News Service Mar 5, 2020
ATLANTA — State health officials stepped up testing for coronavirus in Georgia on Thursday following confirmation earlier this week of the state’s first two cases. Gov. Brian Kemp said late Thursday afternoon that no new COVID-19 cases have been confirmed so far after two people tested positive for the virus Monday night. Dr. Kathleen Toomey, the state’s public health commissioner, said the risk remains low for an outbreak in Georgia and there are no signs now that the virus is spreading within local communities.
But as health officials begin testing more people arriving in Georgia from other countries, Toomey said she expects more confirmed cases could surface. “We expect we will ultimately find more positive cases,†Toomey said at a news conference Thursday. “The more you test, the more you find.â€
Georgia’s state lab began testing for the virus Thursday, tripling the number of diagnostic tests the state has conducted so far, Toomey said. She did not give a specific count of how many tests were done before Thursday but said it was a “small number.â€
The state now has more than 2,500 diagnostic test kits on hand from the federal government capable of completing 1.5 million individual tests, Kemp said.
Anyone in the state will be able to receive testing regardless of the status of their health insurance, Toomey said. “If you are uninsured, we will provide the test for free,†she said.
https://www.mdjonline.com/news/coronavirus-testing-ramps-up-in-georgia/article_3d111660-5f2c-11ea-9587-9364b046b597.html (https://www.mdjonline.com/news/coronavirus-testing-ramps-up-in-georgia/article_3d111660-5f2c-11ea-9587-9364b046b597.html)
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Since that time, Georgia has received usable kits.
Coronavirus testing ramps up in Georgia
By Beau Evans Staff Writer Capitol Beat News Service Mar 5, 2020
ATLANTA — State health officials stepped up testing for coronavirus in Georgia on Thursday following confirmation earlier this week of the state’s first two cases. Gov. Brian Kemp said late Thursday afternoon that no new COVID-19 cases have been confirmed so far after two people tested positive for the virus Monday night. Dr. Kathleen Toomey, the state’s public health commissioner, said the risk remains low for an outbreak in Georgia and there are no signs now that the virus is spreading within local communities.
But as health officials begin testing more people arriving in Georgia from other countries, Toomey said she expects more confirmed cases could surface. “We expect we will ultimately find more positive cases,†Toomey said at a news conference Thursday. “The more you test, the more you find.â€
Georgia’s state lab began testing for the virus Thursday, tripling the number of diagnostic tests the state has conducted so far, Toomey said. She did not give a specific count of how many tests were done before Thursday but said it was a “small number.â€
The state now has more than 2,500 diagnostic test kits on hand from the federal government capable of completing 1.5 million individual tests, Kemp said.
Anyone in the state will be able to receive testing regardless of the status of their health insurance, Toomey said. “If you are uninsured, we will provide the test for free,†she said.
https://www.mdjonline.com/news/coronavirus-testing-ramps-up-in-georgia/article_3d111660-5f2c-11ea-9587-9364b046b597.html (https://www.mdjonline.com/news/coronavirus-testing-ramps-up-in-georgia/article_3d111660-5f2c-11ea-9587-9364b046b597.html)
The CDC's testing lab was in Atlanta, anyway. For what its worth.
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You are citing a MSM broadcast network for intelligent information about dealing with this? The CBC? HA HA HA HA HA!!!!! You have gone off the rails. Do this site a favor and resign as moderator. Moderators are supposed to be above the fray. You just make it worse.
Talk is cheap, refute the statement with facts. If you can't, then, some people must resort to insults. If you have knowledge, show it, don't taunt people "HA HA HA HA HA!!!!", you know, this is the level of debate... Yeah, we quoted something that was on a website.
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You are citing a MSM broadcast network for intelligent information about dealing with this? The CBC? HA HA HA HA HA!!!!! You have gone off the rails. Do this site a favor and resign as moderator. Moderators are supposed to be above the fray. You just make it worse.
@catfish1957
I'm a little taken aback by this. Yeah, I am. While the CBC may not be the credible source you'd prefer, millions refer to it. It is MSM, like it or not. And then, to make it personal? Just an out-of-place post it seems to me.
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National Guard activated to combat coronavirus spread in six states, more to follow
Military Times 3/14/2020
https://www.militarytimes.com/news/coronavirus/2020/03/13/national-guard-activated-to-combat-coronavirus-spread-in-six-states-more-to-follow/ (https://www.militarytimes.com/news/coronavirus/2020/03/13/national-guard-activated-to-combat-coronavirus-spread-in-six-states-more-to-follow/)
Around 400 National Guard personnel have been activated across six states to support operations to stem the spread of novel coronavirus, the National Guard Bureau said in a press release.
The governors of Florida, Iowa, Louisiana, New York, Rhode Island and Washington have all activated components of their Army and Air National Guard. Guardsmen in California and Maryland are also expected to join their states’ efforts today.
“The National Guard is fully involved at the local, state, and federal level in the planning and execution of the nation’s response to COVID-19,†a National Guard Bureau spokesperson said in the release. “In times of emergency, the National Guard Bureau serves as a federal coordinating agency should a state require assistance from the National Guard of another state.â€
“At the national level, Guard members are training personnel on COVID-19 response, identifying and preparing National Guard facilities for use as isolation housing, and compiling state medical supply inventories,†the release continued. “National Guard personnel will provide assistance to the states that include logistical support, disinfection/cleaning, activate/conduct transportation of medical personnel, call center support, and meal delivery."
More at link.
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Temperature and Latitude Analysis to Predict Potential Spread and Seasonality for COVID-19
To date, Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19), caused by SARS-CoV-2, has established significant community spread in cities and regions only along a narrow east west distribution roughly along the 30-50 N†corridor at consistently similar weather patterns (5-11 degrees Celsius and low specific and absolute humidity). There has been a lack of significant community establishment in expected locations that are based only on population proximity and extensive population interaction through travel. We have proposed a simplified model that shows a zone at increased risk for COVID-19 spread.
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3550308
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Temperature and Latitude Analysis to Predict Potential Spread and Seasonality for COVID-19
To date, Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19), caused by SARS-CoV-2, has established significant community spread in cities and regions only along a narrow east west distribution roughly along the 30-50 N†corridor at consistently similar weather patterns (5-11 degrees Celsius and low specific and absolute humidity). There has been a lack of significant community establishment in expected locations that are based only on population proximity and extensive population interaction through travel. We have proposed a simplified model that shows a zone at increased risk for COVID-19 spread.
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3550308
That's interesting. So, the affected latitudes will change in the coming months, as we are almost upon the Equinox when the change is most rapid.
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That's interesting. So, the affected latitudes will change in the coming months, as we are almost upon the Equinox when the change is most rapid.
Hopefully heat will be a good thing. For a change...
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That's interesting. So, the affected latitudes will change in the coming months, as we are almost upon the Equinox when the change is most rapid.
Conspicuously absent from the Coronavirus news has been India, SE Asia or Africa. Perhaps no one has reported from these regions but it seems in spite of their population density & shoddy healthcare systems they've been relatively unaffected.
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Conspicuously absent from the Coronavirus news has been India, SE Asia or Africa. Perhaps no one has reported from these regions but it seems in spite of their population density & shoddy healthcare systems they've been relatively unaffected.
It likely also has to do where the Chinese commonly travel.
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It likely also has to do where the Chinese commonly travel.
Yes, there are huge Chinese communities throughout SE Asia.
Contrast this with what happened in Italy.
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Yes, there are huge Chinese communities throughout SE Asia.
Contrast this with what happened in Italy.
It was mentioned upthread Italians are generally "touchy-feely" people, open with the hugs, kisses and rump-pinching. The Asians, on the other hand, tend to be stand-offish. Remember when O'Bastard put the grabs on that leader from Thailand (I think)? I could see her skin crawling in the pictures at the time. Yuck.
It was as embarrassing as when he slapped the Queen of England on the back and drank during a toast.
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Conspicuously absent from the Coronavirus news has been India, SE Asia or Africa. Perhaps no one has reported from these regions but it seems in spite of their population density & shoddy healthcare systems they've been relatively unaffected.
Current update:
https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6 (https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6)
India: Confirmed - 102
Deaths - 2
Recovered - 4
Active - 96
Considering the population, there are very few cases there.
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The Chinese send lots of workers to Milan, center of the Italian fashion industry.
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It was mentioned upthread Italians are generally "touchy-feely" people, open with the hugs, kisses and rump-pinching. The Asians, on the other hand, tend to be stand-offish. Remember when O'Bastard put the grabs on that leader from Thailand (I think)? I could see her skin crawling in the pictures at the time. Yuck.
It was as embarrassing as when he slapped the Queen of England on the back and drank during a toast.
That, plus their socialized healthcare system, is what spread it so quickly. But I had heard there was a relatively large community of Chinese expats in Italy which is the cause of the virus migration.
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The Chinese send lots of workers to Milan, center of the Italian fashion industry.
And my understanding is that when direct travel was restricted, they found other ways to get there.
That, combined with the age of the population, explains a lot of the reason there have been so many cases, and so many deaths there.
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There is a lot of travel between Milan and China (direct flights) because the Chinese have bought businesses there.
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That, plus their socialized healthcare system, is what spread it so quickly. But I had heard there was a relatively large community of Chinese expats in Italy which is the cause of the virus migration.
I think that's also true about how Iran got to be so hard hit. If the Philippines was the location of "ground zero," Saudi Arabia would have been hard hit as well. Especially the way Filipinos are treated as third-class people in SA.
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Brazenly lying to us to keep us in fear
Ice Age Now 3/15/2020
https://www.iceagenow.info/brazenly-lying-to-us-to-keep-us-in-fear/#more-31217 (https://www.iceagenow.info/brazenly-lying-to-us-to-keep-us-in-fear/#more-31217)
And trying to keep us divided
Jack Hydrazine
99% of the Americans (with underlying health problems) who have died from the coronavirus have an average age of 80.
Why shut down America over a relatively very few, sick, elderly folk that the coronavirus kills when there are so many other things that are killing in much, much larger numbers?
Let’s look at the statistics per the CDC. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/deaths.htm (https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/deaths.htm)
Heart disease: 647,457
Cancer: 599,108
Accidents (unintentional injuries): 169,936
Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 160,201
Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 146,383
Alzheimer’s disease: 121,404
Diabetes: 83,564
Influenza and Pneumonia: 55,672
Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome and nephrosis: 50,633
Intentional self-harm (suicide): 47,173
Coronavirus? 50
The government and media say that the case fatality rate in America is 3.4% without extensive testing of the population. How did they come to that number?
The South Koreans found their case fatality rate is about 0.67% with extensive testing.
More at link.
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Current update:
https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6 (https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6)
India: Confirmed - 102
Deaths - 2
Recovered - 4
Active - 96
Considering the population, there are very few cases there.
With their filthy air and unsanitary living conditions you’ve gotta conclude that weather plays a big role in the spread of this thing.
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Especially the way Filipinos are treated as third-class people in SA.
It is better than how they are treated in Asia.
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With their filthy air and unsanitary living conditions you’ve gotta conclude that weather plays a big role in the spread of this thing.
That's a good possibility. Pretty much everything about India is filthy, and their proximity to China should indicate a greater risk, but the numbers there are very low.
That may also be true for all of Africa. VERY few cases there. Of course, if China doesn't do a lot of business there, that's a possibility too, but the numbers are really small.
In fact, the country where our son and dil are presently living has none at all.
Grateful for that.
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Fmr Coronavirus Patient: ‘The Hysteria Has Just Gotten Out of Control’
Breitbart by Trent Baker13 Mar 2020
https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2020/03/13/fmr-coronavirus-patient-the-hysteria-has-just-gotten-out-of-control/ (https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2020/03/13/fmr-coronavirus-patient-the-hysteria-has-just-gotten-out-of-control/)
Friday on “Fox & Friends,†65-year-old Jerri Jorgensen, a former Diamond Princess cruise ship coronavirus patient, detailed her sickness and the fallout since being diagnosed with the disease.
Jorgenson revealed after running a slight fever and feeling “a bit off†for a few hours on the cruise ship, she is no longer testing positive for COVID-19. She said the “hysteria†since she has gotten back home to Utah has gotten “out of control.â€
“The hysteria has just gotten out of control,†Jorgenson declared. “All the toilet paper being gone — I don’t get the toilet paper thing. I really don’t.â€
More at link.
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Conspicuously absent from the Coronavirus news has been India, SE Asia or Africa. Perhaps no one has reported from these regions but it seems in spite of their population density & shoddy healthcare systems they've been relatively unaffected.
Check the map, spreading everywhere:
https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6 (https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6)
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It is better than how they are treated in Asia.
Slavery is alive and well in the 21st Century.
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Don't know if anyone mentioned this yet, but...
If you are on prescription medication and get it from Canada, make sure you have more than enough on hand and get refills ASAP if you don't.
Reason I mention this: A friend of mine gets a medication from a Canadian pharmacy supply company. She waited too long and her shipment has been delayed. So she's down o her last few pills and now she's scrambling trying to get a supply of this med here in the states. The drugs provided by these supply companies may or may not come from Canada, but rather from other countries where there may be a problem in the supply chain, particularly if that country has been hard hit with this virus.
I noticed that the Canadian pharmacy company I use is not all that restrictive about refills as pharmacies are in the states. For example, I get a 100 day supply of a med which I take once a day. But unlike in the US, I can get a refill after 30 days. Never had a problem. So even if you think you have plenty on hand, put in your refill order as early as you can so you don't nun out.
That is all.
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Don't know if anyone mentioned this yet, but...
If you are on prescription medication and get it from Canada, make sure you have more than enough on hand and get refills ASAP if you don't.
Reason I mention this: A friend of mine gets a medication from a Canadian pharmacy supply company. She waited too long and her shipment has been delayed. So she's down o her last few pills and now she's scrambling trying to get a supply of this med here in the states. The drugs provided by these supply companies may or may not come from Canada, but rather from other countries where there may be a problem in the supply chain, particularly if that country has been hard hit with this virus.
I noticed that the Canadian pharmacy company I use is not all that restrictive about refills as pharmacies are in the states. For example, I get a 100 day supply of a med which I take once a day. But unlike in the US, I can get a refill after 30 days. Never had a problem. So even if you think you have plenty on hand, put in your refill order as early as you can so you don't nun out.
That is all.
I'll add that the guidelines for prescribing medications were altered in one of the Trump EOs, to allow Doctors to prescribe the extra refills.
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I'll add that the guidelines for prescribing medications were altered in one of the Trump EOs, to allow Doctors to prescribe the extra refills.
Thank you @Cyber Liberty for that info. Didn't know.
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Thank you @Cyber Liberty for that info. Didn't know.
The need to stock up really ran into a wall when dealing with drugs they've been on a crusade to crush, namely Opioids. People need those, too.
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I only recently became aware of a 2011 film named "Contagion":
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contagion_(2011_film)
It can easily be "scrounged up on the net" if you know what to do.
Search for "torrent contagion 2011 1080p" and you should get the good hits.
(but then again, this ol' Mac wizard can get just about anything there is to be gotten...)
I watched it last night
It is VERY relevant to the situation that is happening in real life right now.
Life is imitating art...
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Another one to watch would be Containment on Netflix
https://www.netflix.com/title/80066079 (https://www.netflix.com/title/80066079)
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If you have time, check out Steven King's The Stand series. It is broken up into four 2-hr segments. It stars Molly Ringwald, Gary Sinise, Ray Walston, Rob Lowe, Adam Storke, Ossie Davis, Jamey Sheridan, Miguel Ferrer, etc.
It doesn't as much deal with the virus itself, but the aftermath. Classic struggle between good and evil. For entertainment purposes only. Not to be taken seriously.
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If you have time, check out Steven King's The Stand series. It is broken up into four 2-hr segments. It stars Molly Ringwald, Gary Sinise, Ray Walston, Rob Lowe, Adam Storke, Ossie Davis, Jamey Sheridan, Miguel Ferrer, etc.
It doesn't as much deal with the virus itself, but the aftermath. Classic struggle between good and evil. For entertainment purposes only. Not to be taken seriously.
It was a good mini-series, yes. But M - O - O - N ... that spells "the book is even better"!
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Coronavirus World Map - kind of interesting
https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6 (https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6)
You could do this same map about just about anything, colds, flu, gonorrhea, herpes,...anything.
It is a national/global thing for real, I am just not buying into it in the way some people are.
BTW ... toilet paper does not cure covid-19. Call me a skeptic.
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If you have time, check out Steven King's The Stand series. It is broken up into four 2-hr segments. It stars Molly Ringwald, Gary Sinise, Ray Walston, Rob Lowe, Adam Storke, Ossie Davis, Jamey Sheridan, Miguel Ferrer, etc.
It doesn't as much deal with the virus itself, but the aftermath. Classic struggle between good and evil. For entertainment purposes only. Not to be taken seriously.
Ray Walston? I'm there! I love Uncle Martin!
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It was a good mini-series, yes. But M - O - O - N ... that spells "the book is even better"!
Exactly.
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It was a good mini-series, yes. But M - O - O - N ... that spells "the book is even better"!
That went over my head... What is "M - O - O - N"?
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That went over my head... What is "M - O - O - N"?
Mine too. I got the book last week for my Kindle.
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That went over my head... What is "M - O - O - N"?
Gotta see/read it to find out.
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NEW: The first 62 U.S. coronavirus deaths by state and age
March 15, 2020 by Sharyl Attkisson
Note: the numbers change quickly. These figures are current as of March 15, 2020. Visit CDC.gov for the latest government information.
* 65% of U.S. deaths were in Washington State
* 27 of total 62 U.S. deaths occurred at the same Washington State nursing home
More at Sharyl Attkisson.com (https://sharylattkisson.com/2020/03/new-the-first-59-u-s-coronavirus-deaths-by-state-and-age/)
Isn't that something? Nearly 44% of the deaths so far are in one nursing home.
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Ray Walston? I'm there! I love Uncle Martin!
Mr Hand was one of the best.
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The need to stock up really ran into a wall when dealing with drugs they've been on a crusade to crush, namely Opioids. People need those, too.
Indeed. Leave it to our federal government to screw things up.
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More at Sharyl Attkisson.com (https://sharylattkisson.com/2020/03/new-the-first-59-u-s-coronavirus-deaths-by-state-and-age/)
Isn't that something? Nearly 44% of the deaths so far are in one nursing home.
That just goes to show you can't make statistics-based decisions on ridiculously small data populations.
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Mr Hand was one of the best.
One of my favorite lines from that movie: "I've been documenting how much time you've wasted in my class, and it's about four hours, a very conservative estimate! So, I decided to come over to your house and take up your time to study with you for tomorrow's Final Exam." "I don't have my book, Mr. hand!" "That's OK, I took the liberty of procuring an extra copy! So, turn to page...."
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I am NOT. I am not bootlegging bathtub
hand sanitizer behind the dumpster next to the Popeyes Chicken place.
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NJ, so we know to pray for everyone, especially those who might be in "hotter" zones at the moment.
Coronavirus: Doctor who heads emergency preparedness at Paterson hospital tests positive
Terrence T. McDonald, NorthJersey.com
The doctor in charge of emergency preparedness at St. Joseph’s University Medical Center in Paterson has tested positive for coronavirus and is in critical condition.
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Dr. James Pruden, a Teaneck resident and a beloved fixture at St. Joseph's since 1982, was admitted to the hospital on March 6 with upper respiratory problems and cold-like symptoms and remains in isolation in its intensive care unit, according to St. Joseph’s Health President Kevin Slavin.
Pruden, 70, spoke to NorthJersey.com just last week about the hospital's preparation for coronavirus cases, saying St. Joseph's staff is "well-trained to use all of the tools and techniques to effectively manage potential cases." Pruden helped lead the hospital through a swine flu outbreak in 2009 and prepared it for an Ebola scare in 2014.
Read more at: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/coronavirus-doctor-who-heads-emergency-preparedness-at-paterson-hospital-tests-positive/ar-BB11a2Uh (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/coronavirus-doctor-who-heads-emergency-preparedness-at-paterson-hospital-tests-positive/ar-BB11a2Uh)
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Don't know if anyone mentioned this yet, but...
If you are on prescription medication and get it from Canada, make sure you have more than enough on hand and get refills ASAP if you don't.
Reason I mention this: A friend of mine gets a medication from a Canadian pharmacy supply company. She waited too long and her shipment has been delayed. So she's down o her last few pills and now she's scrambling trying to get a supply of this med here in the states. The drugs provided by these supply companies may or may not come from Canada, but rather from other countries where there may be a problem in the supply chain, particularly if that country has been hard hit with this virus.
I noticed that the Canadian pharmacy company I use is not all that restrictive about refills as pharmacies are in the states. For example, I get a 100 day supply of a med which I take once a day. But unlike in the US, I can get a refill after 30 days. Never had a problem. So even if you think you have plenty on hand, put in your refill order as early as you can so you don't nun out.
That is all.
In Venezuela, with their totally collapsed healthcare system, sometimes people take to twitter to find a drug. We can hope it doesn't get that bad.
Also, as I've already heard, truckers are being able to expand their regulatory delivery hours, if others are not working, truckers may be delivering goods, it's frightening to think of almost, there are real necessities in medicines and the like aside from the talk on lysol and so on.
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NJ, so we know to pray for everyone, especially those who might be in "hotter" zones at the moment.
And would have the flu done this to him. It seems pretty unlikely. Which is why I think this is different.
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In Venezuela, with their totally collapsed healthcare system, sometimes people take to twitter to find a drug. We can hope it doesn't get that bad.
Also, as I've already heard, truckers are being able to expand their regulatory delivery hours, if others are not working, truckers may be delivering goods, it's frightening to think of almost, there are real necessities in medicines and the like aside from the talk on lysol and so on.
Tom, I'm going out on a limb here and say I don't think this country will ever get as bad as Venezuela. Seems to me in Venezuela, Cuba and other such countries, they always have shortages of something, particularly medicine. I once read that Cuba's often lauded health care system often has shortages of ordinary antibiotics. Much has to do with the socialist/communist, hamfisted, meddling governments they have. If they had a free enterprise system as we do, there wouldn't be the shortages, wait lists and such.
We should pray this country does not abandon the systems we have had in place for so long in favor of the broken down socialist/communist systems these countries have.
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I'm getting my medical advice from Dr. Hook
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Thanks @roamer_1 I love Dr. Hook.
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Thanks @roamer_1 I love Dr. Hook.
LOL! It was meant to be funny @Applewood
But yeah, I do too... :beer:
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Thousands leave Miami cruise without screening despite earlier passenger testing positive for COVID-19: report
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/487686-thousands-leave-miami-cruise-without-screening-despite-earlier-passenger
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Tom, I'm going out on a limb here and say I don't think this country will ever get as bad as Venezuela. Seems to me in Venezuela, Cuba and other such countries, they always have shortages of something, particularly medicine. I once read that Cuba's often lauded health care system often has shortages of ordinary antibiotics. Much has to do with the socialist/communist, hamfisted, meddling governments they have. If they had a free enterprise system as we do, there wouldn't be the shortages, wait lists and such.
We should pray this country does not abandon the systems we have had in place for so long in favor of the broken down socialist/communist systems these countries have.
I don't see where anyone said we are going the direction of Venezuela or Cuba, your talk about medications made me merely think it could be possible that someone would go online, twitter and look for medicines during this time here in the USA. In fact, I'm sure it has happened in so-called more abundant times. But if one really needed their medicine, it might be worth a try short of other alternatives.
Also, sidenote, one does know, Wuhan is the sister city of Pittsburgh, that's pretty well known.
https://www.chronicle.pitt.edu/story/sister-cities-wuhan-and-pittsburgh (https://www.chronicle.pitt.edu/story/sister-cities-wuhan-and-pittsburgh)
I was just showing some concern, pardon me!
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Trump tells people to stop panic buying amid coronavirus pandemic: 'Relax. We're doing great'
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/trump-coronavirus-press-conference-today-panic-buying-shortage-supplies-a9403496.html (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/trump-coronavirus-press-conference-today-panic-buying-shortage-supplies-a9403496.html)
Well, when he says were doing great..... hmmmn. :pondering:
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Well, when he says were doing great..... hmmmn. :pondering:
Possible presidential comments regarding panic buying
a) relax.
b) relax we're doing great
c) relax we're in big trouble
d) panic.
e) panic we're doing great
f) panic we're in trouble
g) *crickets*
Glad I'm not president.
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I'll go with a).
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Doctor said when it warms up more, 85, much less risk BUT.... are not some places almost that warm already?
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Doctor said when it warms up more, 85, much less risk BUT.... are not some places almost that warm already?
The warmest place in the country this time of year is usually Florida and they have a lot of cases. But, if ambient heat really is the solution, we're in the catbird seat here in Mohave County, AZ.
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https://www.wsj.com/articles/hospitals-push-off-surgeries-to-make-room-for-coronavirus-patients-11584298575?mod=e2tw (https://www.wsj.com/articles/hospitals-push-off-surgeries-to-make-room-for-coronavirus-patients-11584298575?mod=e2tw)
Hospitals Push Off Surgeries to Make Room for Coronavirus Patients
Hospitals preparing for an influx of coronavirus patients are canceling some surgeries and moving routine care to virtual visits, an effort to make room for those critically ill and prevent infections as the global pandemic spreads nationwide.
A growing number of hospitals, including Boston’s Brigham & Women’s Hospital, NewYork-Presbyterian, the main facility of the University of California, San Francisco and some major systems in the hard-hit Seattle area, are starting to put off surgeries that aren’t urgent or emergencies. In addition to freeing up capacity, doctors say they don’t want to expose patients and workers to potential infection risk.
Some hospitals are also asking primary-care and psychiatry patients and those who need other routine care to use the phone or telemedicine to visit doctors.
“The less people we have to bring or move around our community, the better,†said Ann Prestipino, an executive and incident commander for Massachusetts General Hospital, which Monday will begin switching all outpatient visits to virtual care, where possible, and will postpone surgery that can be delayed, at the discretion of each service area. The hospital and its clinics typically handle one million outpatient visits annually, she said.
more at link
When you run out of elective surgeries to push back, it still leaves urgent and emergency surgeries that can be cancelled.
https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/1239315188723171329 (https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/1239315188723171329)
Jake Tapper@jaketapper
President Trump says the coronavirus is “something that we have total control over.â€
Completely and utterly false.
The president is followed by Dr. Fauci: “the worst is yet ahead of us.â€
5:19 PM · Mar 15, 2020
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Doctor said when it warms up more, 85, much less risk BUT.... are not some places almost that warm already?
In the southern hemisphere. But unless there're no journalists down there to cover the virus that region seems to be doing relatively OK.
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You all may find this interesting. This doctor is a member of the Disaster Medical Assistance Team. He's talking to a group in one of the Pittsburgh suburbs about the actual medical situation.
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OtA8D5QX3c&fbclid=IwAR3S96fgjAgJjm7OTbKWWT_pnkJ1OCm_KG2Q8Z_ywAt0Ah9uVA28ZrzTCaQ#)
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You all may find this interesting. This doctor is a member of the Disaster Medical Assistance Team. He's talking to a group in one of the Pittsburgh suburbs about the actual medical situation.
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OtA8D5QX3c&fbclid=IwAR3S96fgjAgJjm7OTbKWWT_pnkJ1OCm_KG2Q8Z_ywAt0Ah9uVA28ZrzTCaQ#)
@mountaineer
Can you give us the cliffs notes?
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In the southern hemisphere. But unless there're no journalists down there to cover the virus that region seems to be doing relatively OK.
New Zealand pretty much has it contained by my understanding. Australia, Tom Hanks got it, but we don't know where and we don't know if he's spread it to anyone.
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New Zealand pretty much has it contained by my understanding. Australia, Tom Hanks got it, but we don't know where and we don't know if he's spread it to anyone.
I'm surprised India has largely ducked the entire mess.
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New Zealand pretty much has it contained by my understanding. Australia, Tom Hanks got it, but we don't know where and we don't know if he's spread it to anyone.
Maybe NZ has few cases if any, I have not read about that but I do know, they've been in the news today per actions they are taking:
Live coronavirus updates: New travel restrictions in force in NZ, chaos at airports in the US
Covid-19 relief package: National wants 'rapid infusion' of cash
For COVID-19 health advice and information, contact the Healthline team (for free) on 0800 358 5453 or +64 9 358 5453 for international SIMS.
Health officials have ramped up their presence at airports in New Zealand as tougher travel restrictions came into force today.
From 1am today all travellers who enter the country, except from Pacific Island countries, must go into isolation for 14 days.
More: https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/live-coronavirus-updates-new-travel-restrictions-in-force-in-nz-chaos-at-airports-in-the-us/ar-BB11dWJP?li=BBqdk7Q (https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/live-coronavirus-updates-new-travel-restrictions-in-force-in-nz-chaos-at-airports-in-the-us/ar-BB11dWJP?li=BBqdk7Q)
Australia, New Zealand farewell spectator sport as coronavirus curbs bite
Ian Ransom
MELBOURNE (Reuters) - The curtain lowered on spectator sport in Australia and New Zealand on Sunday, with fans watching top flight soccer and rugby matches at stadiums for the last time before crowd bans and border controls kick in to fight the spread of coronavirus.
More: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-sport-australia-idUSKBN21209S (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-sport-australia-idUSKBN21209S)
Coronavirus: New Zealand PM says all arrivals must self-isolate
https://news.yahoo.com/coronavirus-everyone-entering-zealand-must-053604972.html (https://news.yahoo.com/coronavirus-everyone-entering-zealand-must-053604972.html)
That's probably where I heard about this, the BBC... so fwiw, the Kiwis have been in the news about this today.
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@musiclady My niece teaches band to beginners in middle school. She is looking at this as a solution: https://www.facebook.com/events/224913845566099/ (https://www.facebook.com/events/224913845566099/)
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Can you give us the cliffs notes?
I'm listening to it now and will do my best.
Some highlights:
80% of people infected may show absolutely minor symptoms or no symptoms at all. 2-3% will get really sick with the lower respiratory infection.
Incubation time: 2-14 days. Never seen anyone develop symptoms more than 14 days after exposure (average 5.4 days).
Symptoms:
1) 98% of those who develop symptoms will have a fever. Check temp a few times a day.
2) Dry cough in 76% of those who develop symptoms.
3) Shortness of breath in 55% of those who develop symptoms.
4) Sore throat - trivial.
Why do people die (the 2-3 %)? From the overexuberant immune response. Body pours in white cells; flood alveoli. Can't get oxygen in. Depends on your ability to fight infection.
Among folks who have underlying conditions (immunocompromised by, e.g., heart disease, cancer, diabetes), in the following age groups:
60-70 4% chance of death
70-80 8%
80+ 15%
What to do? Limit exposure, don't put yourself in compromising situations (cruise, travel to Italy, Asia, etc.) or where you're shoulder to shoulder with others, like at a ball game. It's droplet transmitted - keep 6' away from others. If a loved one is sick, still try to stay 6' away even while you're caring for them. Only if you absolutely have to be closer to a sick person than 6', then you wear one of the masks with a splash guard (not the respirator variety), mostly to prevent you from touching your face, and maybe goggles. You don't need a Tyvek suit or anything like that. Most folks need nothing more than distance.
Disinfection: 0.1% solution of bleach will kill the virus. Peroxide, too (dilute to .3%); Lysol spray; isopropyl alcohol. Wipe down countertops, computers, phones, door handles, TV remote, other surfaces with peroxide or alcohol solution. Virus may be able to live as long as 9 days, but possibly just 4-20 hours. Clean hands with soap and water for 20 seconds. Don't have to get hand sanitizer.
Bolster your own immune system:
1) a good night's sleep will do more good than anything else.
2) exercise
3) proper food - fruits and vegs, or at least take multivitamin daily
4) drink water
OTC medicines to have:
zinc lozenges may help with symptoms (Zicam) - but don't use nasal spray
500-1000 mg per day of Vit. C also may help (or eat citrus fruit)
This guy is optimistic without discounting legitimate concerns. The sky is not falling. This is not the zombie apocolypse.
"We are more prepared than any other nation in the world - by far!"
This is a slow-moving crisis, which buys us time to develop vaccines and anti-virals to attack it.
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I'm surprised India has largely ducked the entire mess.
Maybe its the the heat?
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This is a slow-moving crisis, which buys us time to develop vaccines and anti-virals to attack it.
Meaning the freakoutskis among us and in the stupid press will keep the mindless panic going until it collapses.
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I'm listening to it now and will do my best.
Some highlights:
80% of people infected may show absolutely minor symptoms or no symptoms at all. 2-3% will get really sick with the lower respiratory infection.
Incubation time: 2-14 days. Never seen anyone develop symptoms more than 14 days after exposure (average 5.4 days).
Symptoms:
1) 98% of those who develop symptoms will have a fever. Check temp a few times a day.
2) Dry cough in 76% of those who develop symptoms.
3) Shortness of breath in 55% of those who develop symptoms.
4) Sore throat - trivial.
Why do people die (the 2-3 %)? From the overexuberant immune response. Body pours in white cells; flood alveoli. Can't get oxygen in. Depends on your ability to fight infection.
Among folks who have underlying conditions (immunocompromised by, e.g., heart disease, cancer, diabetes), in the following age groups:
60-70 4% chance of death
70-80 8%
80+ 15%
What to do? Limit exposure, don't put yourself in compromising situations (cruise, travel to Italy, Asia, etc.) or where you're shoulder to shoulder with others, like at a ball game. It's droplet transmitted - keep 6' away from others. If a loved one is sick, still try to stay 6' away even while you're caring for them. Only if you absolutely have to be closer to a sick person than 6', then you wear one of the masks with a splash guard (not the respirator variety), mostly to prevent you from touching your face, and maybe goggles. You don't need a Tyvek suit or anything like that. Most folks need nothing more than distance.
Disinfection: 0.1% solution of bleach will kill the virus. Peroxide, too (dilute to .3%); Lysol spray; isopropyl alcohol. Wipe down countertops, computers, phones, door handles, TV remote, other surfaces with peroxide or alcohol solution. Virus may be able to live as long as 9 days, but possibly just 4-20 hours. Clean hands with soap and water for 20 seconds. Don't have to get hand sanitizer.
Bolster your own immune system:
1) a good night's sleep will do more good than anything else.
2) exercise
3) proper food - fruits and vegs, or at least take multivitamin daily
4) drink water
OTC medicines to have:
zinc lozenges may help with symptoms (Zicam) - but don't use nasal spray
500-1000 mg per day of Vit. C also may help (or eat citrus fruit)
This guy is optimistic without discounting legitimate concerns. The sky is not falling. This is not the zombie apocolypse.
"We are more prepared than any other nation in the world - by far!"
This is a slow-moving crisis, which buys us time to develop vaccines and anti-virals to attack it.
I'll add, if you don't get much sun exposure vitamin D3 in high dosages is a big deal. I take 10,000 IU a day and it made a dramatic difference in how often I get sick and the severity. I'm allergic to the sun so I need a lot of D3...
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CDC Says U.S. Gatherings of Over 50 People Should Be Put Off
In the most extreme effort yet to slow the march of coronavirus in the U.S., the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention recommended that events of 50 people or more not be held for about two months.
For the next eight weeks, organizers should cancel or postpone in-person events of that size throughout the U.S., the agency said on its website Sunday. When feasible, organizers could modify events to be virtual.
The advisory doesn’t apply to the day-to-day operation of organizations such as schools, institutes of higher learning, or businesses -- although many of those entities have taken steps of their own.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/cdc-says-us-gatherings-of-over-50-people-should-be-put-off/ar-BB11eb0T?ocid=spartandhp (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/cdc-says-us-gatherings-of-over-50-people-should-be-put-off/ar-BB11eb0T?ocid=spartandhp)
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Just got a text from a family member
Stay calm and eat ice cream
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the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention recommended that events of 50 people or more not be held for about two months.
So much for Palm Sunday, Easter ...
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@Gefn
Best advice I've heard yet.
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@mountaineer
Thank you!
I believe the problem that has those in the know concerned is:
It is quite communicable, capable of living on surfaces for a relatively long time and it has a long incubation period during which the victim is contagious. It is not highly fatal. However neither was the Spanish Flu. I believe they are concerned about the ability and quite high possibility of it overwhelming our health care system. At that point, people will be dying from a whole host of unrelated things.
Couple this with the economic impact of the only way to prevent the above is social distancing and quarantining....there are no good options...only less bad and hoping that we can stall the spread
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This is a slow-moving crisis, which buys us time to develop vaccines and anti-virals to attack it.
We actually already have antivirals. I mean, coronavirus as a broader class of virus is not new. The Chinese (take them for what their worth) say that chloroquine, a decades-old drug used to fight malaria, is effective against it.
http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2020-02/17/c_138792545.htm (http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2020-02/17/c_138792545.htm)
I'm not sure if anyone in America has even considered drug treatment for it yet.
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@mountaineer
Thank you!
I believe the problem that has those in the know concerned is:
It is quite communicable, capable of living on surfaces for a relatively long time and it has a long incubation period during which the victim is contagious. It is not highly fatal. However neither was the Spanish Flu. I believe they are concerned about the ability and quite high possibility of it overwhelming our health care system. At that point, people will be dying from a whole host of unrelated things.
Couple this with the economic impact of the only way to prevent the above is social distancing and quarantining....there are no good options...only less bad and hoping that we can stall the spread
If everything were shut down for about 3 weeks (I know that probably isn't possible) and this thing died in its tracks things could go back to normal much quicker. It is the slow burn that will cause massive economic damage.
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@Gefn
Best advice I've heard yet.
I think it should be on a T-shirt!
@Applewood
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We actually already have antivirals. I mean, coronavirus as a broader class of virus is not new. The Chinese (take them for what their worth) say that chloroquine, a decades-old drug used to fight malaria, is effective against it.
http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2020-02/17/c_138792545.htm (http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2020-02/17/c_138792545.htm)
I'm not sure if anyone in America has even considered drug treatment for it yet.
That Doctor guy they have on FNC a lot said yesterday that it does respond to the existing anti-virals. The problem is, once the severe pneumonia symptoms present it kills the patient too quickly for them to work.
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We actually already have antivirals. I mean, coronavirus as a broader class of virus is not new. The Chinese (take them for what their worth) say that chloroquine, a decades-old drug used to fight malaria, is effective against it.
http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2020-02/17/c_138792545.htm (http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2020-02/17/c_138792545.htm)
I'm not sure if anyone in America has even considered drug treatment for it yet.
Yes, I only touched on it briefly, but the doctor in the video went through a list of current drugs that are being tried on coronavirus, including a couple of AIDS drugs and various other anti-virals.
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Just got a text from a family member
Stay calm and eat ice cream
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Thank you @Cyber Liberty
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I'm not sure if anyone in America has even considered drug treatment for it yet.
Are we talking 48 hours in the county detox, or are we talking 28-day Betty Ford Center treatment?
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More than 3,800 passengers on a cruise ship disembarked in Miami without screening for COVID-19, despite a previous traveler testing positive days earlier
Andrew Dunn
More than 3,800 passengers disembarked from a cruise ship in Miami on Sunday without any type of screening for illness or potential coronavirus infections, the Miami Herald reported Sunday.
"When I say there was no check, there was none whatsoever," one passenger told the Herald. "I expected us to have some kind of a screening. They didn't do a single thing. We walked straight off the ship. There wasn't any check on anyone for anything."
A previous passenger on that same ship, the MSC Meraviglia, disembarked on March 8 and subsequently tested positive for COVID-19.
https://www.businessinsider.com/miami-cruise-ship-disembarks-with-no-covid-19-testing-2020-3 (https://www.businessinsider.com/miami-cruise-ship-disembarks-with-no-covid-19-testing-2020-3)
It certainly seems like a stupid thing to do.... almost 4,000 people, beautiful ship, see link.
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Are we talking 48 hours in the county detox, or are we talking 28-day Betty Ford Center treatment?
I just got finished with a conference call to close our 12 Step meeting hall, to comply with both the federal CDC and state of CA.
(It has been in operation for 32 for 32 years.)
CA state ordered bars to close.
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I just got finished with a conference call to close our 12 Step meeting hall, to comply with both the federal CDC and state of CA.
(It has been in operation for 32 for 32 years.)
CA state ordered bars to close.
And the wineries and breweries were also ordered to close.
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I'll add, if you don't get much sun exposure vitamin D3 in high dosages is a big deal. I take 10,000 IU a day and it made a dramatic difference in how often I get sick and the severity. I'm allergic to the sun so I need a lot of D3...
My physican told me >5000 IU long term dosage of D3 (which is the max strength, which I use) is harmful. He may be FOS, and your physican right, but that was what I was told.
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More at Sharyl Attkisson.com (https://sharylattkisson.com/2020/03/new-the-first-59-u-s-coronavirus-deaths-by-state-and-age/)
Isn't that something? Nearly 44% of the deaths so far are in one nursing home.
I have been attempting to point out how ridiculous the panic is.
We have one case in this state, 150 miles from here, a 60+ guy who thought he might have been exposed by people who had it in another state, who limited his contacts, got tested and is staying home until he gets well.
There is no toilet paper to be had on the shelves, hand sanitizer, disinfectant, etc.
Grandkids who were visiting their oldest sister around the pool at a local Motel were kicked out en masse, because the desk clerk was wigging out about Coronavirus.
It's bloody stupid, if you ask me.
In the meantime, 16 people get killed (on average) per day in the US crossing the street, but no one is freaking over jaywalkers.
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My physican told me >5000 IU long term dosage of D3 (which is the max strength, which I use) is harmful. He may be FOS, and your physican right, but that was what I was told.
My last blood test for D was mid range of normal which is all that really matters. My calcium level is also mid range of normal. So definitely not too much for me. It greatly depends on how much sun exposure you get. The typical 200 IU or 400 IU from a multivitamin is pretty useless.
https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/vitamin-d-side-effects#1 (https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/vitamin-d-side-effects#1)
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I have been attempting to point out how ridiculous the panic is.
We have one case in this state, 150 miles from here, a 60+ guy who thought he might have been exposed by people who had it in another state, who limited his contacts, got tested and is staying home until he gets well.
There is no toilet paper to be had on the shelves, hand sanitizer, disinfectant, etc.
Grandkids who were visiting their oldest sister around the pool at a local Motel were kicked out en masse, because the desk clerk was wigging out about Coronavirus.
It's bloody stupid, if you ask me.
In the meantime, 16 people get killed (on average) per day in the US crossing the street, but no one is freaking over jaywalkers.
I don't mean to be flippant or racist about this, but... I blame the Italians. Not to minimize the real-world carnage going on there, but Italian culture is... well... dramatic.
Social media has allowed the Italians to blast their horror stories around the world, and now everyone's stumbling and panicking to avoid becoming the next Italy. Plus, so many of these containment/mitigation measures are being taken solely because everyone else is doing them, not whether they will actually help the situation.
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I don't mean to be flippant or racist about this, but... I blame the Italians. Not to minimize the real-world carnage going on there, but Italian culture is... well... dramatic.
Social media has allowed the Italians to blast their horror stories around the world, and now everyone's stumbling and panicking to avoid becoming the next Italy. Plus, so many of these containment/mitigation measures are being taken solely because everyone else is doing them, not whether they will actually help the situation.
Italian people tend to be kissey, huggy, and whatever. OTOH, my wife laughed when she heard the term social distancing. She said I have been practicing that 40 years. Unless you are related to me, I consider anyone getting witin 3 feet of myself, an intrusion of personal space.
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Good news so far: the American trajectory for deaths so far is much closer to South Korea's than it is Europe's.
And, for the record, where we stand with the rest of the world with infection rates, in raw numbers:
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Meanwhile ... we are supposed to have another day of record heat for this time of year ... doesn't appear that temperature will affect this virus.
Daycares are opening up in spite of schools being closed in this area -- that makes no sense!
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I'm surprised. There are still quite a few countries that have not be infected with the virus.
What countries have not declared any known cases of coronavirus?
1. Angola 32,866,272
2. Bahamas 393,244
3. Barbados 287,375
4. Belize 397,628
5. Benin 12,123,200
6. Botswana 2,351,627
7. Burundi 11,890,784
8. Cabo Verde 555,987
9. Chad 16,425,864
10. Comoros 869,601
11. Djibouti 988,000
12. Dominica 71,986
13. El Salvador 6,486,205
14. Eritrea 3,546,421
15. Fiji 896,445
16. Gambia 2,416,668
17. Grenada 112,523
18. Guatemala 17,915,568
19. Guinea-Bissau 1,968,001
20. Haiti 11,402,528
21. Kiribati 119,449
22. Kyrgyzstan 6,524,195
23. Laos 7,275,560
24. Lesotho 2,142,249
25. Liberia 5,057,681
26. Libya 6,871,292
27. Madagascar 27,691,018
28. Malawi 19,129,952
29. Mali 20,250,833
30. Marshall Islands 59,190
31. Mauritius 1,271,768
32. Micronesia 115,023
33. Montenegro 628,066
34. Mozambique 31,255,435
35. Myanmar (formerly Burma) 54,409,800
36. Nauru 10,824
37. Nicaragua 6,624,554
38. Niger 24,206,644
39. North Korea 25,778,816
40. Palau 18,094
41. Papua New Guinea 8,947,024
42. Saint Kitts and Nevis 53,199
43. Saint Lucia 183,627
44. Samoa 198,414
45. Sao Tome and Principe 219,159
46. Sierra Leone 7,976,983
47. Solomon Islands 686,884
48. Somalia 15,893,222
49. South Sudan 11,193,725
50. Suriname 586,632
51. Syria 17,500,658
52. Tajikistan 9,537,645
53. Tanzania 59,734,218
54. Timor-Leste 1,318,445
55. Tonga 105,695
56. Turkmenistan 6,031,200
57. Tuvalu 11,792
58. Uganda 45,741,007
59. Uzbekistan 33,469,203
60. Vanuatu 307,145
61. Yemen 29,825,964
62. Zambia 18,383,955
63. Zimbabwe 14,862,924
https://www.foxnews.com/world/what-countries-have-not-declared-any-known-cases-coronavirus (https://www.foxnews.com/world/what-countries-have-not-declared-any-known-cases-coronavirus)
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Going through these -- some of the states with a higher infection number has a higher death toll percentage -- some nearly 5%.
A state-by-state breakdown of US coronavirus cases
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/03/health/us-coronavirus-cases-state-by-state/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/03/health/us-coronavirus-cases-state-by-state/index.html)
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Jennifer Zeng 曾錚
@jenniferatntd
After only 5 days' short rest, the 4th medical support team from #Guangxi province returning to #Wuhan on Mar 14 to battle #COVID2019
#Coronavirus #CoronavirusOutbreak #CoronavirusPandemic #coronaviruschina
This is not a rumor, Chinese official report: https://new.qq.com/omn/20200314/2
https://twitter.com/jenniferatntd/status/1239369039161503744
Whatever China says, I am not going to trust their figures nor what they say.
So, there is a good chance, their figures simply are not trustworthy.
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Going through these -- some of the states with a higher infection number has a higher death toll percentage -- some nearly 5%.
A state-by-state breakdown of US coronavirus cases
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/03/health/us-coronavirus-cases-state-by-state/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/03/health/us-coronavirus-cases-state-by-state/index.html)
West Virginia, none so far per the map. Interesting. They must be the only state to not have any such cases.
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March 16, 2020
Covid-19: The numbers tell the story
By Marc Shepard
By merging datasets recently made available by the World Health Organization, the Centers for Disease Control and Johns Hopkins University, I’ve gathered some truly fascinating trend statistics on the global penetration of Covid-19 which I’m now prepared to share. There are 20 infected countries on page one of my analysis – and these are their stories.
Coronavirus (Covid-19) Global Penetration Statistics by Country as of 3/14/2020 08:00 GMT
more
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/03/covid19_the_numbers_tell_the_story.html (https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/03/covid19_the_numbers_tell_the_story.html)
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West Virginia, none so far per the map. Interesting. They must be the only state to not have any such cases.
West Virginia's secret weapon:
(http://listverse.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/moonshine-e1380312330217.jpg)
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Moonshine and pepperoni rolls, baby! It's true, we still haven't had a confirmed case in WV.
My question du jour: For weeks we've been lectured over hand washing, coughing into our elbows, not having personal contact with others, maintaining a 6' distance from people, etc. At the same time, we keep hearing predictions that no matter what, there will be millions of dead Americans.
So, are all these precautions not going to work - or are some people just hoping they won't work?
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Moonshine and pepperoni rolls, baby! It's true, we still haven't had a confirmed case in WV.
My question du jour: For weeks we've been lectured over hand washing, coughing into our elbows, not having personal contact with others, maintaining a 6' distance from people, etc. At the same time, we keep hearing predictions that no matter what, there will be millions of dead Americans.
So, are all these precautions not going to work - or are some people just hoping they won't work?
No one knows... And the worst part is...
If the rate stays well below the advertised and expected 200k-1.7m... Say, 100k or so.... Everyone will praise this nonsense, and those hawking it will take credit, while very probably not having changed a damn thing. Because if the rate remains low, it is within the realm of regular flu-season outbreak, in which coronavirus is a typical participant.
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No one knows... And the worst part is...
If the rate stays well below the advertised and expected 200k-1.7m... Say, 100k or so.... Everyone will praise this nonsense, and those hawking it will take credit, while very probably not having changed a damn thing.
If this happens, the left will be bashing Trump for overreacting.
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I won't be surprised if the total number of fatalities from Covid19, when all is said and done, is no greater than that of whatever variety of flu we've been dealing with this winter.
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I won't be surprised if the total number of fatalities from Covid19, when all is said and done, is no greater than that of whatever variety of flu we've been dealing with this winter.
...In which case, all of this panic stricken hysteria will have been for naught. A media-driven sh*t-storm. And much ado about nothing.
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I won't be surprised if the total number of fatalities from Covid19, when all is said and done, is no greater than that of whatever variety of flu we've been dealing with this winter.
Its got a helluva way to go then, cause there've been ~20k deaths from the good ol' flu in the US so far this year.
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Its got a helluva way to go then, cause there've been ~20k deaths from the good ol' flu in the US so far this year.
'Zackly.
Yesterday at church, my choir director mentioned that his family had watched some Shakespeare movies, including "Much Ado About Nothing." I said, "Is that about coronavirus?" and everyone fell down laughing.
Before anyone jumps on me, yes, I know it's not nothing. But we're still seeing way too much "ado" about it.
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'Zackly.
Yesterday at church, my choir director mentioned that his family had watched some Shakespeare movies, including "Much Ado About Nothing." I said, "Is that about coronavirus?" and everyone fell down laughing.
Before anyone jumps on me, yes, I know it's not nothing. But we're still seeing way too much "ado" about it.
Well said. Its possible to take this seriously but still recognize the current reaction is over the top.
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I won't be surprised if the total number of fatalities from Covid19, when all is said and done, is no greater than that of whatever variety of flu we've been dealing with this winter.
Provided that we can just get EVERYONE to wash their hands, cough into their elbow, stay home when sick and practice social distancing we should be fine. Otherwise, IMHO I think the 2 million deaths worst case scenario could become reality.
The liberal governor of Illinois directed people to limit crowds to 50 as well as in bars and restaurants -- the people refused. So ....we could easily have a disaster on hand. The stat that I heard is that one person with the virus could easily result in infecting 120.
People need to learn from Italy and Spain. Italy is a disaster.
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Italy is a disaster.
I think that may be due, at least in part, to their terrible healthcare system and the hordes of Chinese workers they import.
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People need to learn from Italy and Spain. Italy is a disaster.
I have learned that government-run healthcare doesn't work.
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Well said. Its possible to take this seriously but still recognize the current reaction is over the top.
Context. Something entirely missing from the PANIC-NOW-THERE’S-AN-ELECTION-COMING media.
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Coronavirus: Watch how germs spread
Coronavirus has been seen in more than 30 countries. The virus can spread from person to person and officials recommend simple steps to avoid becoming infected.
Dr Adele McCormick from the University of Westminster demonstrated how germs spread and what the best methods are to avoid catching a virus.
28 Feb 2020
Video that shows how to wash hands to between the fingers, up to the webs of the hand.
https://www.bbc.com/news/av/health-51637561/coronavirus-watch-how-germs-spread (https://www.bbc.com/news/av/health-51637561/coronavirus-watch-how-germs-spread)
Does soap kill coronavirus?
Coronavirus is an ‘enveloped virus’. This means it has a protective outer layer known as a ‘lipid bilayer’. The molecules making up this layer are shaped like a tadpole, with a water-loving (hydrophilic) round head and a water-hating (hydrophobic) tail.
https://www.sciencefocus.com/news/coronavirus-can-hand-washing-really-stop-the-spread-of-covid-19/ (https://www.sciencefocus.com/news/coronavirus-can-hand-washing-really-stop-the-spread-of-covid-19/)
A pandemic simulation from 2018 shows how washing your hands more often could slow down an outbreak like the coronavirus
https://www.businessinsider.com/bbc-pandemic-data-shows-how-washing-hands-slows-virus-spread-2020-3 (https://www.businessinsider.com/bbc-pandemic-data-shows-how-washing-hands-slows-virus-spread-2020-3)
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State-by-state coronavirus news (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/coronavirus/stories-by-state/ar-BB119PB3)
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State-by-state coronavirus news (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/coronavirus/stories-by-state/ar-BB119PB3)
Ok...now this takes it all! Willie Nelson has cancelled coming to our local Outlaws & Legends event. Just shoot me now. happy77
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Well said. Its possible to take this seriously but still recognize the current reaction is over the top.
I thought that just a few days ago because the media hype and the toilet paper thing have been so far over the top, but I've changed my tune, and this is why......
Scientists, health care professionals, pastors, educators, religious leaders, state leaders, community leaders, calm, conservative, thoughtful people are gravitating to the same place.......
The less contact we have with others during the coming weeks, the slower the spread of this disease will be. The more large gatherings that are cancelled, the lower the risk will be. The less close contact we have with strangers, the safer we will be.
A niece who is a physician in Montana has seen a case, another niece and family who are in northern Indiana is in quarantine because their daughter's best friend's mom tested positive. A sister in law who is immune compromised has been told to self-isolate. Our (Tea Party) Conservative pastor is doing only online services because he believes it is the most loving thing we as Christians can do.
Great measures are being taken to slow the growth of this virus by Governors and lower level community leaders.
And perhaps it is BECAUSE of these measures that this will turn out to be "nothing." Because the "much ado" prevented a disaster, and on the record books this WILL be no more than the flu.
Except that won't be the reality of it, because it is significantly worse. It will be because people were smart, stayed home and considered the good of the people they love rather than carrying on as if life these days is any form of normal.
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@TomSea
Thank you for the articles on soap. I have been criticized for not using hand sanitizers -- the alcohol wreaks havoc with my already severely dry skin -- but soap and water have worked fine for me.
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I thought that just a few days ago because the media hype and the toilet paper thing have been so far over the top, but I've changed my tune, and this is why......
Scientists, health care professionals, pastors, educators, religious leaders, state leaders, community leaders, calm, conservative, thoughtful people are gravitating to the same place.......
The less contact we have with others during the coming weeks, the slower the spread of this disease will be. The more large gatherings that are cancelled, the lower the risk will be. The less close contact we have with strangers, the safer we will be.
A niece who is a physician in Montana has seen a case, another niece and family who are in northern Indiana is in quarantine because their daughter's best friend's mom tested positive. A sister in law who is immune compromised has been told to self-isolate. Our (Tea Party) Conservative pastor is doing only online services because he believes it is the most loving thing we as Christians can do.
Great measures are being taken to slow the growth of this virus by Governors and lower level community leaders.
And perhaps it is BECAUSE of these measures that this will turn out to be "nothing." Because the "much ado" prevented a disaster, and on the record books this WILL be no more than the flu.
Except that won't be the reality of it, because it is significantly worse. It will be because people were smart, stayed home and considered the good of the people they love rather than carrying on as if life these days is any form of normal.
I'll second that.
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I thought that just a few days ago because the media hype and the toilet paper thing have been so far over the top, but I've changed my tune, and this is why......
Scientists, health care professionals, pastors, educators, religious leaders, state leaders, community leaders, calm, conservative, thoughtful people are gravitating to the same place.......
The less contact we have with others during the coming weeks, the slower the spread of this disease will be. The more large gatherings that are cancelled, the lower the risk will be. The less close contact we have with strangers, the safer we will be.
A niece who is a physician in Montana has seen a case, another niece and family who are in northern Indiana is in quarantine because their daughter's best friend's mom tested positive. A sister in law who is immune compromised has been told to self-isolate. Our (Tea Party) Conservative pastor is doing only online services because he believes it is the most loving thing we as Christians can do.
Great measures are being taken to slow the growth of this virus by Governors and lower level community leaders.
And perhaps it is BECAUSE of these measures that this will turn out to be "nothing." Because the "much ado" prevented a disaster, and on the record books this WILL be no more than the flu.
Except that won't be the reality of it, because it is significantly worse. It will be because people were smart, stayed home and considered the good of the people they love rather than carrying on as if life these days is any form of normal.
I have no problem with limiting contact and taking common sense precautions during flu season. It should be done every flu season.
What we are doing now will have a dramatic result, and lives will be saved, which is great. But we all need to be aware of the costs and ask ourselves if we can afford to do this every flu season. Life has risks. If we demand to be kept safe from such risks there are those who will step in and accommodate us but there will be a price and lasting implications.
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Julie Bosman
@juliebosman
Wow.
“Respirators, ventilators, all of the equipment — try getting it yourselves,†Mr. Trump told the governors during the conference call. via
@jmartNYT
Is this a bad response?
Brett McGurk retweeted this.
I do agee, this isn't the right answer.
I do not know who this tweet us from.
Brett McGurk
@brett_mcgurk
This is reckless and insane. The most important job for a president is to protect the American people. Not encourage a free-for-all for precious life-saving resources. No planning to scale production, ensure resources are available in hardest hit areas? Unbelievable. #COVID19
https://mobile.twitter.com/brett_mcgurk/status/1239606823671353344.
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I have no problem with limiting contact and taking common sense precautions during flu season. It should be done every flu season.
What we are doing now will have a dramatic result, and lives will be saved, which is great. But we all need to be aware of the costs and ask ourselves if we can afford to do this every flu season. Life has risks. If we demand to be kept safe from such risks there are those who will step in and accommodate us but there will be a price and lasting implications.
Of course life has risks. And care must be taken every flu season to avoid them if we can.
But this is fundamentally different and that is verified by the scientific and health communities. The decisions being made to stop large gatherings are based on science, and not on politics (at least in most places). OhioHealth is curtailing visitors which does not happen in a normal flu season. Nursing homes are not allowing visits or tours of facilities for the sake of the health of their clients. Churches during flu season may stop the handshakes, but they do not close. The Salvation Army doesn't alter their food ministry because of the flu.
This is not the same thing as other risks. It just isn't.
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I'll second that.
Thank you.
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I have no problem with limiting contact and taking common sense precautions during flu season. It should be done every flu season.
What we are doing now will have a dramatic result, and lives will be saved, which is great. But we all need to be aware of the costs and ask ourselves if we can afford to do this every flu season. Life has risks. If we demand to be kept safe from such risks there are those who will step in and accommodate us but there will be a price and lasting implications.
Except this IS NOT a flu virus. This virus acts more like pneumonia virus. I was corrected in here by a poster (and rightly so) because there is a difference between this virus and the flu virus. Much more fatal, easily spread and reports are indicating that social distancing and washing hands is the way to contain this.
Again, (sorry for the repeat) we here in SWFL have seen record breaking heat -- and the number of cases in FL just doubled overnight so IMHO there is no indication that once we see warmer temps this will disappear.
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Except this IS NOT a flu virus. This virus acts more like pneumonia virus. I was corrected in here by a poster (and rightly so) because there is a difference between this virus and the flu virus. Much more fatal, easily spread and reports are indicating that social distancing and washing hands is the way to contain this.
Again, (sorry for the repeat) we here in SWFL have seen record breaking heat -- and the number of cases in FL just doubled overnight so IMHO there is no indication that once we see warmer temps this will disappear.
The head of the after school program we volunteer at believes that schools will be closed for the rest of the school year.
She may well be right.
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This is not the same thing as other risks. It just isn't.
Its not like other flu outbreaks because we've never been privy to a case by case narrative on its progress. Is a death by Coronavirus somehow worse than the 20-80k US deaths during a 'normal' flu season?
I think we're overreacting. Some lives will be saved this flu season - a very good thing - that won't be saved in subsequent flu seasons that do not receive the same level of attention.
Meanwhile I hope someone counts the cost in economic and other hardship this unusual reaction will cause, because we should all know what are the complete consequences of this course our media are inspiring and our leaders are pursuing.
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Its not like other flu outbreaks because we've never been privy to a case by case narrative on its progress. Is a death by Coronavirus somehow worse than the 20-80k US deaths during a 'normal' flu season?
I think we're overreacting. Some lives will be saved this flu season - a very good thing - that won't be saved in subsequent flu seasons that do not receive the same level of attention.
Meanwhile I hope someone counts the cost in economic hardship this unusual reaction will cause, because we should all know what are the complete consequences of this course our media are inspiring and our leaders are pursuing.
It isn't that simple. Many of those flu deaths are people that are very old and are not far from death already. The flu is what pushes them over the edge and so the death is counted as a flu death.
This virus is significantly more potent affecting people that otherwise are not nearly as close to expiring naturally. Yesterday it was reported that in France more than half the people with COVID-19 that were in critical care were less than 50 years old (if I remember correctly). That isn't the normal flu. And it is something for those of us who are mostly healthy but not stellar healthy should be worried about.
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I'm surprised. There are still quite a few countries that have not be infected with the virus.
What countries have not declared any known cases of coronavirus?
1. Angola 32,866,272
2. Bahamas 393,244
3. Barbados 287,375
4. Belize 397,628
5. Benin 12,123,200
6. Botswana 2,351,627
7. Burundi 11,890,784
8. Cabo Verde 555,987
9. Chad 16,425,864
10. Comoros 869,601
11. Djibouti 988,000
12. Dominica 71,986
13. El Salvador 6,486,205
14. Eritrea 3,546,421
15. Fiji 896,445
16. Gambia 2,416,668
17. Grenada 112,523
18. Guatemala 17,915,568
19. Guinea-Bissau 1,968,001
20. Haiti 11,402,528
21. Kiribati 119,449
22. Kyrgyzstan 6,524,195
23. Laos 7,275,560
24. Lesotho 2,142,249
25. Liberia 5,057,681
26. Libya 6,871,292
27. Madagascar 27,691,018
28. Malawi 19,129,952
29. Mali 20,250,833
30. Marshall Islands 59,190
31. Mauritius 1,271,768
32. Micronesia 115,023
33. Montenegro 628,066
34. Mozambique 31,255,435
35. Myanmar (formerly Burma) 54,409,800
36. Nauru 10,824
37. Nicaragua 6,624,554
38. Niger 24,206,644
39. North Korea 25,778,816
40. Palau 18,094
41. Papua New Guinea 8,947,024
42. Saint Kitts and Nevis 53,199
43. Saint Lucia 183,627
44. Samoa 198,414
45. Sao Tome and Principe 219,159
46. Sierra Leone 7,976,983
47. Solomon Islands 686,884
48. Somalia 15,893,222
49. South Sudan 11,193,725
50. Suriname 586,632
51. Syria 17,500,658
52. Tajikistan 9,537,645
53. Tanzania 59,734,218
54. Timor-Leste 1,318,445
55. Tonga 105,695
56. Turkmenistan 6,031,200
57. Tuvalu 11,792
58. Uganda 45,741,007
59. Uzbekistan 33,469,203
60. Vanuatu 307,145
61. Yemen 29,825,964
62. Zambia 18,383,955
63. Zimbabwe 14,862,924
https://www.foxnews.com/world/what-countries-have-not-declared-any-known-cases-coronavirus (https://www.foxnews.com/world/what-countries-have-not-declared-any-known-cases-coronavirus)
Have they tested anyone and received results back?
That is part of the problem, here.
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
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CNN International
@cnni
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A novel coronavirus vaccine trial in the US has now given a dose to its first participant, the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases announced Monday
https://twitter.com/cnni/status/1239613170265870342
I saw the video elsewhere that actually showed them injecting this woman in Washington state.
I'm not sure if CNN has it, I saw it elsewhere.
https://edition.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-outbreak-03-16-20-intl-hnk/h_6315382240d96163d4d4cbe0b9aafb25?utm_content=2020-03-16T18%3A03%3A04&utm_medium=social&utm_term=link&utm_source=twCNNi
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@TomSea
Thank you for the articles on soap. I have been criticized for not using hand sanitizers -- the alcohol wreaks havoc with my already severely dry skin -- but soap and water have worked fine for me.
I've been an advocate of old-fashioned bar soap for long before this (and there are no cases in my immediate area yet).
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Except this IS NOT a flu virus. This virus acts more like pneumonia virus. I was corrected in here by a poster (and rightly so) because there is a difference between this virus and the flu virus. Much more fatal, easily spread and reports are indicating that social distancing and washing hands is the way to contain this.
Again, (sorry for the repeat) we here in SWFL have seen record breaking heat -- and the number of cases in FL just doubled overnight so IMHO there is no indication that once we see warmer temps this will disappear.
Here's the thing about "cases doubling overnight:" there's a lag. There's always a lag. Plus, you factor in how many of these cases are coming from people being repatriated and traveling from infected areas.
That's something being lost in this discussion. We need numbers on community spread—namely, which areas are experiencing it and which ones are not.
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Its not like other flu outbreaks because we've never been privy to a case by case narrative on its progress. Is a death by Coronavirus somehow worse than the 20-80k US deaths during a 'normal' flu season?
I think we're overreacting. Some lives will be saved this flu season - a very good thing - that won't be saved in subsequent flu seasons that do not receive the same level of attention.
Meanwhile I hope someone counts the cost in economic and other hardship this unusual reaction will cause, because we should all know what are the complete consequences of this course our media are inspiring and our leaders are pursuing.
It's utter foolishness! the economy will be in the gutter in 2 weeks, and ppl are cheering it. Businesses are closing that will never reopen. Jobs will be lost. delivery systems are breaking down... We're gonna be on our lips.
all for Chicken Little.
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It's utter foolishness! the economy will be in the gutter in 2 weeks, and ppl are cheering it. Businesses are closing that will never reopen. Jobs will be lost. delivery systems are breaking down... We're gonna be on our lips.
all for Chicken Little.
It's as if the MSM wants this to happen.
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It's utter foolishness! the economy will be in the gutter in 2 weeks, and ppl are cheering it. Businesses are closing that will never reopen. Jobs will be lost. delivery systems are breaking down... We're gonna be on our lips.
all for Chicken Little.
I agree. We still don't have any decent numbers because 80% (for what the statistic is worth) will experience mild symptoms, similar to a cold, and will likely dismiss those symptoms as just that.
If that is the case, and only those presenting with the worst symptoms are being tested, what we are seeing is the worst case scenario in numbers, when reality would present a far lower mortality rate.
Limits on the number of available test kits would ensure those would be used on cases where symptoms were severe enough to suspect the COVID-19 infection, while those assuming it is a cold are just getting by with OTC cold remedies and recovering without ever ticking the meter.
I know, I, for one, (like millions of others with no insurance) would not be running off to the doctor or ER to spend up to a grand to get tested for something I am recovering from, I'll just stay home until I am well.
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Have they tested anyone and received results back?
That is part of the problem, here.
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
Exactly Joe. Exactly.
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It's as if the MSM wants this to happen.
Gee, ya think?
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Its not like other flu outbreaks because we've never been privy to a case by case narrative on its progress. Is a death by Coronavirus somehow worse than the 20-80k US deaths during a 'normal' flu season?
I think we're overreacting. Some lives will be saved this flu season - a very good thing - that won't be saved in subsequent flu seasons that do not receive the same level of attention.
Meanwhile I hope someone counts the cost in economic and other hardship this unusual reaction will cause, because we should all know what are the complete consequences of this course our media are inspiring and our leaders are pursuing.
I repeat.............. I am talking about science and healthcare professionals, not the media, nor the overreactive public.
This is different. We will recover, but this is different.
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Julie Bosman
@juliebosman
Wow.
“Respirators, ventilators, all of the equipment — try getting it yourselves,†Mr. Trump told the governors during the conference call. via
@jmartNYT
Is this a bad response?
Not if you look at the context in which it is written. Trump went on to say, “We will be backing you, but try getting it yourselves. Point of sales, much better, much more direct if you can get it yourself.†This is the correct response. The governors are responsible for the welfare of their prospective States. They are ultimately in charge of securing what their State needs. And if they are having difficulty getting something, at that point then they should call the federal government. Makes perfect sense.
I am so sick and tired of seeing DU trash posted on these boards, @TomSfea . Can you give it a rest? Or better yet, do some friggin' research and find out what Trump actually said instead of trusting what some left-wing idiot tweeted without context.
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This is insane. I got a notification on my Fox News app about some actor I never heard of contracting corona.
Here’s the problem. At Cornell university they have an incredible piece of scientific equipment known as the tunneling electron microscope. Now, this microscope is so powerful that by firing electrons you can actually see images of the atom—the infinitesimally minute building block of our universe.
If I were using that microscope right now, I still wouldn’t be able to locate my interest in this constantly breathless reporting about every new case of corona. (Yes, that was an intentional pun on beer.)
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I repeat.............. I am talking about science and healthcare professionals, not the media, nor the overreactive public.
This is different. We will recover, but this is different.
No, it really isn't.
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Gee, ya think?
Of course they are -- the MSM has a story to cover every day that is the story of the decade. They will sensationalize as much as they can as long as they can also emphasize that somehow this is Trump's fault.
The DEMS are jumping for joy -- the economy is tanking, Americans will be out of work, companies will close, unemployment will rise and since the border still isn't closed -- he'll have virtually nothing to run on. I wonder which DEM conspired with China? -- sorry folks -- that is what it looks like -- Russian collusion and impeachment didn't work.
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No, it really isn't.
We'll have to disagree on this one.
Addition: I'm talking about the COVID-19 verses flu comparisons. This isn't just another flue. Regarding the reaction to it there's lots of room for who knows what is the best course of action.
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We'll have to disagree on this one.
In the face of martial law? In the face of destroying uncountable businesses? In the face of putting the whole country on the damn dole?
It ain't no different.
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In the face of martial law? In the face of destroying uncountable businesses? In the face of putting the whole country on the damn dole?
It ain't no different.
I modified my post above. I don't know if that changes anything for you.
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Of course they are -- the MSM has a story to cover every day that is the story of the decade. They will sensationalize as much as they can as long as they can also emphasize that somehow this is Trump's fault.
The DEMS are jumping for joy -- the economy is tanking, Americans will be out of work, companies will close, unemployment will rise and since the border still isn't closed -- he'll have virtually nothing to run on. I wonder which DEM conspired with China? -- sorry folks -- that is what it looks like -- Russian collusion and impeachment didn't work.
Turning nothing more than a particularly nasty flu bug into a political coup may just end up being the scam of the century.
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Of course they are -- the MSM has a story to cover every day that is the story of the decade. They will sensationalize as much as they can as long as they can also emphasize that somehow this is Trump's fault.
The DEMS are jumping for joy -- the economy is tanking, Americans will be out of work, companies will close, unemployment will rise and since the border still isn't closed -- he'll have virtually nothing to run on. I wonder which DEM conspired with China? -- sorry folks -- that is what it looks like -- Russian collusion and impeachment didn't work.
I don't think you're thinking anywhere near big enough.
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I repeat.............. I am talking about science and healthcare professionals, not the media, nor the overreactive public.
This is different. We will recover, but this is different.
Days ago I would have disagreed with you....but not now. It is different.... I just got a text from a friend who's daughter in law works as a PA in Dallas. Said they are starting to get cases and it's bad. Too close to home for me....
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In the face of martial law? In the face of destroying uncountable businesses? In the face of putting the whole country on the damn dole?
It ain't no different.
Regarding government's heavy hand that's a different issue. The virus is what it is. What do you do when the hospitals are overloaded and people are dying that could otherwise be saved because there aren't enough resources to take care of them all at the same time? That's what's happening in Italy. It wasn't panic that created the mess there.
Iran tried to ignore it. That hasn't gone well for them.
I'm not claiming to know what the right answer is here. I don't know. I do believe this is significantly more serious than the common flu. And it is likely to do a lot of damage no matter how it is handled.
I have a daughter going to Arizona State University. I also have my 84 year old mother in the same household. There are some serious concerns here.
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I don't think you're thinking anywhere near big enough.
The root is China. There needs to be a major realignment of the world with China after this.
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Days ago I would have disagreed with you....but not now. It is different.... I just got a text from a friend who's daughter in law works as a PA in Dallas. Said they are starting to get cases and it's bad. Too close to home for me....
Exactly.
Days ago I would have disagreed with myself! happy77
When a family member is quarantined in northern Indiana, people are being diagnosed without symptoms, it is better to err on the side of caution.
As I said above, the decisions that may seem draconian now may very well be the reason the curve goes down faster and lives are saved.
I'm thankful, personally, to be in Ohio where the healthcare professionals and science are being utilized, the media ignored, and the lives of people at risk are a top priority.
Just found out our election tomorrow has been extended and votes can be sent in until June 2nd. I'm glad to see that the poll workers health was a consideration.
I'm not an alarmist in any sense, but this is something we haven't seen before........... unless some of you remember 1918. happy77
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Regarding government's heavy hand that's a different issue. The virus is what it is. What do you do when the hospitals are overloaded and people are dying that could otherwise be saved because there aren't enough resources to take care of them all at the same time? That's what's happening in Italy. It wasn't panic that created the mess there.
Iran tried to ignore it. That hasn't gone well for them.
I'm not claiming to know what the right answer is here. I don't know. I do believe this is significantly more serious than the common flu. And it is likely to do a lot of damage no matter how it is handled.
I have a daughter going to Arizona State University. I also have my 84 year old mother in the same household. There are some serious concerns here.
The main concern for the states is having adequate medical supplies and not overwhelming the system (as happened in Italy). If preventative measures are taken, our awesome healthcare facilities can take care of the cases as they come.
Prevention is smart.
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Days ago I would have disagreed with you....but not now. It is different.... I just got a text from a friend who's daughter in law works as a PA in Dallas. Said they are starting to get cases and it's bad. Too close to home for me....
Consider, please: You don't go to the doctor if you don't feel bad, and while that scale slides depending on the individual. If you are really sick, (not 'just a cold' ) you are more likely to seek medical attention.
If you have a mere case of the sniffles, you generally don't go to the doctor, you pick up some remedy at the store or gut it out until you feel better. The mild cases aren't being counted, because they aren't being detected.
In Dallas, there are 1.34 Million people (almost twice as many as we have in our whole state), so sure, the medical centers in that concentrated group of humans, once the infection is introduced to the community, will come in, and it will seem like a lot.
But one hundred cases in the hospital, while it may seem like it would be a lot, is only 0.007 percent of the population. If there were 100 deaths from the virus, in Dallas is still a very small mortality rate because of the size of the population.
What you are seeing there is a very narrow tightly focused view on the absolute worst aspects of this.
It's why ER staff, police, and First Responders have a high burnout rate.
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Husband just conversed with a lady at Wal-Mart who said her daughter works at CDC in Atlanta. Daughter told her last night that mandatory 2 week quarantine will be imposed within next 48-72 hours.
Hearsay from a stranger, FWIW.
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Regarding government's heavy hand that's a different issue.
No. I would say that's the real issue - and it is intimately intertwined with the virus.
The virus is what it is. What do you do when the hospitals are overloaded and people are dying that could otherwise be saved because there aren't enough resources to take care of them all at the same time? That's what's happening in Italy. It wasn't panic that created the mess there.
Iran tried to ignore it. That hasn't gone well for them.
It's actually a logistics problem and not prevention, with in normal reason... I think the virus will do what it does - You might as well try to stop the sun from rising. Do you think a government that can't stop the flow at the border can stop anything internally? Not without a lockdown like you wouldn't believe... And I expect that's what's coming. And even at that, the street will still be functioning. illegal drugs will still be flowing, the poor will still be mingling, the homeless will still be shitting... Which means of course that all the lock down will be ineffective.
I'm not claiming to know what the right answer is here. I don't know. I do believe this is significantly more serious than the common flu. And it is likely to do a lot of damage no matter how it is handled.
I have a daughter going to Arizona State University. I also have my 84 year old mother in the same household. There are some serious concerns here.
I don't know if that's true... If you omit hotspots, the overall toll is cut in half or more. Even if it is as bad as they are saying, shutting down means logistical problems get worsen not better. You've just fixed the number of respirators in any given region, because shut down, there is no way in hell your getting more. It creates a finite pie.
I get the concern, I do. I have family in health care, and my mother and sister are certainly at risk, as am I myself in some aspects... So I get it.
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What you said, @roamer_1.
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I agree. We still don't have any decent numbers because 80% (for what the statistic is worth) will experience mild symptoms, similar to a cold, and will likely dismiss those symptoms as just that.
If that is the case, and only those presenting with the worst symptoms are being tested, what we are seeing is the worst case scenario in numbers, when reality would present a far lower mortality rate.
And you know that really IS the case. Mortality numbers are based only upon those sick enough to warrant testing... And in that you KNOW the lion's share are not being tested.
Limits on the number of available test kits would ensure those would be used on cases where symptoms were severe enough to suspect the COVID-19 infection, while those assuming it is a cold are just getting by with OTC cold remedies and recovering without ever ticking the meter.
I know, I, for one, (like millions of others with no insurance) would not be running off to the doctor or ER to spend up to a grand to get tested for something I am recovering from, I'll just stay home until I am well.
That's right.
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Consider, please: You don't go to the doctor if you don't feel bad, and while that scale slides depending on the individual. If you are really sick, (not 'just a cold' ) you are more likely to seek medical attention.
If you have a mere case of the sniffles, you generally don't go to the doctor, you pick up some remedy at the store or gut it out until you feel better.
In Dallas, there are 1.34 Million people (almost twice as many as we have in our whole state), so sure, the medical centers in that concentrated group of humans, once the infection is introduced to the community, will come in, and it will seem like a lot.
But one hundred cases in the hospital, while it may seem like it would be a lot, is only 0.007 percent of the population.
100 deaths from the virus, on Dallas is still a very small mortality rate because of the size of the population.
Understand, don't disagree. But we simply don't know how many people have been infected to know where that leads. If most people have been infected and that's all that has happened that would be very good news. That would also mean there's not much more the virus can infect. But we have no reliable data to know any of that.
It is clearly very infectious. If only 5,000 people of that 1.34 million have been infected that 100 deaths becomes significant and has a lot of upward mobility to get far worse. If 500,000 of that 1.34 million have been infected then it has likely run its course.
We simply don't know. Making bad assumptions either way has serious consequences.
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Husband just conversed with a lady at Wal-Mart who said her daughter works at CDC in Atlanta. Daughter told her last night that mandatory 2 week quarantine will be imposed within next 48-72 hours.
Hearsay from a stranger, FWIW.
My son who has close LEO ties, has heard likewise... And oddly enough, the people I know that could actually confirm are all unavailable.
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Husband just conversed with a lady at Wal-Mart who said her daughter works at CDC in Atlanta. Daughter told her last night that mandatory 2 week quarantine will be imposed within next 48-72 hours.
Hearsay from a stranger, FWIW.
I just about believe it ill happen or at least it will be considered. New Rochelle is already on lockdown. San Francisco too I think. The government is waiting to see how well the "tests" in those places go over before they institute it nationwide. Are people going to be good little boys and girls and do what they are told, or will they have to bring in the authorities (maybe the military) to enforce the lockdown?
Sorry, but I'm still spooked about New Rochelle with the National Guard in place.
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My son who has close LEO ties, has heard likewise... And oddly enough, the people I know that could actually confirm are all unavailable.
Santa Clara county just order nonessential businesses closed for three weeks.
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I am currently undergoing PT post-hip replacement. No big deal to the government if my recovery suffers or I don't regain proper function because I'm not permitted to go to the PT facility.
9999hair out0000
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Santa Clara county just order nonessential businesses closed for three weeks.
That's INSANE.
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San Francisco closed down now.
www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/san-francisco-ordered-to-shelter-in-place-due-to-coronavirus/ar-BB11gYgq?ocid=spartanntp (http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/san-francisco-ordered-to-shelter-in-place-due-to-coronavirus/ar-BB11gYgq?ocid=spartanntp)
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11 states have closed down restaurant dining.
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No. I would say that's the real issue - and it is intimately intertwined with the virus.
It's actually a logistics problem and not prevention, with in normal reason... I think the virus will do what it does - You might as well try to stop the sun from rising. Do you think a government that can't stop the flow at the border can stop anything internally? Not without a lockdown like you wouldn't believe... And I expect that's what's coming. And even at that, the street will still be functioning. illegal drugs will still be flowing, the poor will still be mingling, the homeless will still be shitting... Which means of course that all the lock down will be ineffective.
I don't know if that's true... If you omit hotspots, the overall toll is cut in half or more. Even if it is as bad as they are saying, shutting down means logistical problems get worsen not better. You've just fixed the number of respirators in any given region, because shut down, there is no way in hell your getting more. It creates a finite pie.
I get the concern, I do. I have family in health care, and my mother and sister are certainly at risk, as am I myself in some aspects... So I get it.
There isn't likely enough time to produce enough respirators to really change things at this point. A specialty product that has a long list of procurement requirement items. It should be pursued, but will likely be late to the party. The only real option left is slow the infection rate so that you lower the peak amount of respirators needed so more people can be treated overall. It allows more time for new production. It also allows more time for a possible vaccine or other treatment to come online.
I don't know what the right balance is. There is significant destruction on either side of the equation.
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Friday, I heard that gatherings of 250 or more should be postponed for 2 weeks.
This morning, I heard gatherings of 50 or more should be postponed for 8 weeks.
Now I am hearing 10 or less, and older people stay home, for the next 15 days, via President Trump
www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/us-tells-older-people-to-stay-home-all-ages-to-avoid-crowds/ar-BB11gYjz (http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/us-tells-older-people-to-stay-home-all-ages-to-avoid-crowds/ar-BB11gYjz)
This quote from the article:
The president, in an appearance in the White House briefing room, when asked when the pandemic would subside, said that “if we do a really good job" the crisis could pass by July or August, a far less optimistic take than in his earlier predictions that it could be over within weeks.
July or August?
WTF?
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There isn't likely enough time to produce enough respirators to really change things at this point. A specialty product that has a long list of procurement requirement items. It should be pursued, but will likely be late to the party. The only real option left is slow the infection rate so that you lower the peak amount of respirators needed so more people can be treated overall. It allows more time for new production. It also allows more time for a possible vaccine or other treatment to come online.
I don't know what the right balance is. There is significant destruction on either side of the equation.
Show me that we have ever effectively stopped a virus and I might believe an alternate option... But that significant distruction is already ordained. which means a focus on logistics is what will actually be effective.
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I am currently undergoing PT post-hip replacement. No big deal to the government if my recovery suffers or I don't regain proper function because I'm not permitted to go to the PT facility.
9999hair out0000
Do your exercises...take small walks and practice going up and down a few steps...same with a chair..getting up and down....
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Is this a bad response?
Not if you look at the context in which it is written. Trump went on to say, “We will be backing you, but try getting it yourselves. Point of sales, much better, much more direct if you can get it yourself.†This is the correct response. The governors are responsible for the welfare of their prospective States. They are ultimately in charge of securing what their State needs. And if they are having difficulty getting something, at that point then they should call the federal government. Makes perfect sense.
I am so sick and tired of seeing DU trash posted on these boards, @TomSfea . Can you give it a rest? Or better yet, do some friggin' research and find out what Trump actually said instead of trusting what some left-wing idiot tweeted without context.
You never debunk anything, you post something, here's some doctor who used cocaine and video.
Conservatives don't try to shut down free speech.
Ted Cruz went into quarantine and extended it a week, I've read what Senator Cotton has said, your views are absolute nonsense and you try to shame others with your name-calling. I'm sorry, you don't seem to know what you are talking about. And if one is abrasive, much less of a chance of even reading what you are saying. Please don't tell others you are the conservative way.
And @Sighlass of all things, said where he lived in Alabama, people were protesting the quarantine center that was being built, but all you've got is name-calling sorry... yeah, and outright mistruths saying this is not what Trump said.. hard to read your posts with this conduct.
This is like the biggest story since 9/11 or the Iraq and Afghanistan campaigns and you want people to obey what you say with barely any backup. It's unfathomable.
Tom Cotton
Ted Cruz, not conservatives? Interesting perspective.
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There isn't likely enough time to produce enough respirators to really change things at this point. A specialty product that has a long list of procurement requirement items. It should be pursued, but will likely be late to the party. The only real option left is slow the infection rate so that you lower the peak amount of respirators needed so more people can be treated overall. It allows more time for new production. It also allows more time for a possible vaccine or other treatment to come online.
I don't know what the right balance is. There is significant destruction on either side of the equation.
No one knows what the right balance is for sure.
But you are absolutely right. If the infection rate is slowed significantly (which it will be by limiting group sizes), then there is more time to produce more medical supplies.
As I've said elsewhere, in the presser today our director of health said we have plenty of supplies here in Ohio, but the point of the measures being taken are to prevent that large uptick of cases which will absolutely come if nothing is done.
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That's INSANE.
It is California...
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It is California...
Good point.
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I am currently undergoing PT post-hip replacement. No big deal to the government if my recovery suffers or I don't regain proper function because I'm not permitted to go to the PT facility.
9999hair out0000
I don't know -- since the PT is post-op medical, would there be an exception to the lockdown in your case? Or could there be some sessions held in your home?
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Kroger was out of milk. If there's a mandatory quarantine, I guess I'll just go without for a few weeks. But seriously, who hoards milk? It's not like it has an indefinite shelf life.
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Show me that we have ever effectively stopped a virus and I might believe an alternate option... But that significant distruction is already ordained. which means a focus on logistics is what will actually be effective.
I'm not suggesting it is going to be stopped. We can only hope to slow it down. Italy didn't slow it down and they are also suffering significant destruction. Bad things are coming period. I'd rather be poorer than a family member dying because the health system was overwhelmed when they most needed care.
We'll know if we did it better or worse after it all passes. Different countries have done different things. Many of those outcomes will gauge how we did.
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I'd rather be poorer than a family member dying because the health system was overwhelmed when they most needed care.
Like I said, a logistics problem.
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Kroger was out of milk. If there's a mandatory quarantine, I guess I'll just go without for a few weeks. But seriously, who hoards milk? It's not like it has an indefinite shelf life.
Just like when it threatens to snow in western PA. People buy up all the perishables land toilet paper.
Perhaps look for shelf-stable milk? I can't drink regular milk, but today I bought shelf stable versions of almond milk. Not quite as good as the real stuff, but in a pinch it will do.
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Kroger was out of milk. If there's a mandatory quarantine, I guess I'll just go without for a few weeks. But seriously, who hoards milk? It's not like it has an indefinite shelf life.
I figure this goofy panic buying will end soon. Today our (HUGE) Kroger was out of bread, pasta, canned and frozen vegetables and of course, TP.
Eventually the panicked hoarders will have what they think they need, stay home, and normal people can just keep their pantries full.
This too shall pass.... happy77
btw, I think your post op therapy is considered essential, so you should be able to get it no problem.
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No. I would say that's the real issue - and it is intimately intertwined with the virus.
It's actually a logistics problem and not prevention, with in normal reason... I think the virus will do what it does - You might as well try to stop the sun from rising. Do you think a government that can't stop the flow at the border can stop anything internally? Not without a lockdown like you wouldn't believe... And I expect that's what's coming. And even at that, the street will still be functioning. illegal drugs will still be flowing, the poor will still be mingling, the homeless will still be shitting... Which means of course that all the lock down will be ineffective.
I don't know if that's true... If you omit hotspots, the overall toll is cut in half or more. Even if it is as bad as they are saying, shutting down means logistical problems get worsen not better. You've just fixed the number of respirators in any given region, because shut down, there is no way in hell your getting more. It creates a finite pie.
I get the concern, I do. I have family in health care, and my mother and sister are certainly at risk, as am I myself in some aspects... So I get it.
When there was exactly one COVID-19 case in Arizona, he/she was in @DB's city. I don't blame him a bit for being concerned. I'd be if I still lived there, but isolation is the whole point of having moved to a Castle in the foothills.
The only thing we had to go out for was the heavy cream Mrs. Liberty wants to churn butter with. I don't know why. :shrug: I think she saw a YouTube or something.
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Like I said, a logistics problem.
Yes. if demand is expected to surpass supply you have to decrease demand and/or increase supply to avoid going without. Here time is the critical factor. Weeks, not months.
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When there was exactly one COVID-19 case in Arizona, he/she was in @DB's city. I don't blame him a bit for being concerned. I'd be if I still lived there, but isolation is the whole point of having moved to a Castle in the foothills.
The only thing we had to go out for was the heavy cream Mrs. Liberty wants to churn butter with. I don't know why. :shrug: I think she saw a YouTube or something.
Not only the same city, the same school my daughter is going to...
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I figure this goofy panic buying will end soon. Today our (HUGE) Kroger was out of bread, pasta, canned and frozen vegetables and of course, TP.
Eventually the panicked hoarders will have what they think they need, stay home, and normal people can just keep their pantries full.
This too shall pass.... happy77
btw, I think your post op therapy is considered essential, so you should be able to get it no problem.
Where I live, the problem now is replacing what the panic buyers and hoarders have snapped up. For example, I saw a sign in the cleaning products aisle of the local market that said replacement shipments might not come in for two more weeks.
And I hope you're right that @mountaineer can get her PT -- one way or the other.
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When there was exactly one COVID-19 case in Arizona, he/she was in @DB's city. I don't blame him a bit for being concerned. I'd be if I still lived there, but isolation is the whole point of having moved to a Castle in the foothills.
The only thing we had to go out for was the heavy cream Mrs. Liberty wants to churn butter with. I don't know why. :shrug: I think she saw a YouTube or something.
No, no, no... You go find a farmer with a milk cow, buy raw milk from him and skim off the cream...
I am reasonably set up, of course, but went out today to stock up, and am leaving again right now... It's crazy man. Just plain crazy. It almost ain't worth the couple hundred dollars worth I'd like to get in... t least that's true now that I have coffee.
But i just got notice that I can't pay my electric bill - the place is closed down, and my only options are electronic... which I don't do. Looks like they get to wait.
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Not only the same city, the same school my daughter is going to...
Oh, wow.
Prayers @DB !! Be safe!!
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Not only the same city, the same school my daughter is going to...
Yes. ASU.
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You never debunk anything
Read my post again. I just did.
you post something, here's some doctor who used cocaine and video.
I don't know what this means.
Conservatives don't try to shut down free speech.
No one here is shutting down free speech. I simply inquired why you would parrot DU bullshit. Trump's statement was selectively abbreviated and deliberately taken out of context to convey something other than what Trump actually said. Yet by your response, you seem to be on board with that.
Ted Cruz went into quarantine and extended it a week, I've read what Senator Cotton has said, your views are absolute nonsense
Then why not read what Trump said too instead of parroting a selective misrepresentation of his statement.
and you try to shame others with your name-calling.
What name did I call you?
Please don't tell others you are the conservative way.
Conservative way? Weren't you the one reposting liberal tweets bashing the President by mischaracterizing his words?
And @Sighlass of all things, said where he lived in Alabama, people were protesting the quarantine center that was being built, but all you've got is name-calling sorry... yeah, and outright mistruths saying this is not what Trump said.. hard to read your posts with this conduct.
Please show me where I victimized @Sighlass with name-calling.
This is like the biggest story since 9/11 or the Iraq and Afghanistan campaigns and you want people to obey what you say with barely any backup. It's unfathomable.
Want you to obey? lol. Call me crazy, but I have this weird idea that liberal lies about President Trump shouldn't be posted here. Or any lies for that matter. Sadly, don't see it that way. So if it is important to you, keep posting Democrat tweets falsely attacking the President. Hope it makes you 'feel' better.
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Then why not read what Trump said too instead of parroting a selective misrepresentation of his statement.
You didn't like that tweet? I would think a Bush appointee who also served for Obama and Trump might still be worth a read, it doesn't mean we always agree with what they say, law clerk for William Rehnquist?
Parroting a misrepresenation of what he said? Hey, it's twitter and we post tweets.
That twitter per the respirators, Brett McGurk:
White House of George Bush:
Brett McGurk
Special Assistant to the President and Senior Director for Iraq and Afghanistan, National Security Council
Brett McGurk
Brett H. McGurk serves as Special Assistant to the President and Senior Director for Iraq and Afghanistan, Strategic Planning and Policy Development. In his current role, Mr. McGurk is responsible for developing and overseeing the effective implementation of U.S. strategy in these two vital fronts of the Global War on Terrorism.
Mr. McGurk formerly served as Director for Iraq on the National Security Council, where he handled a broad policy portfolio and participated in the President's comprehensive strategic review in 2006, which led to the President's address to the nation on January 10, 2007, and the new strategy for Iraq now known as the surge.
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He is a former Supreme Court law clerk, serving with the late Chief Justice Rehnquist on the Supreme Court's 2001-2002 Term.
More at: https://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/government/mcgurk-bio.html
"Brett McGurk is the consummate professional diplomat. He has served on the front lines across three administrations, and handled some of the most difficult assignments for me and President Bush in Iraq during the surge."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brett_McGurk
I'm not the biggest fan of McGurk, he is a controversial figure in his own light, still a Bush appointee and then, worked for Obama and indeed for Trump for a time.
Just to discount this? Amazing. It's like we are just working with no information.
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Kroger was out of milk. If there's a mandatory quarantine, I guess I'll just go without for a few weeks. But seriously, who hoards milk? It's not like it has an indefinite shelf life.
Next time you find it, by an extra gallon (plastic jug) and put it in the freezer.
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Next time you find it, by an extra gallon (plastic jug) and put it in the freezer.
Since you brought that up........ how does it do when you thaw it out? I remember that my Mom used to freeze milk, but I don't remember how it tasted after she got it out..
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About that mandatory quarantine -- this was on my MSN newsfeed per CNN:
Trump says he's considering recommending quarantine for coronavirus 'hotspots'
President Donald Trump said Monday that the White House is evaluating whether to encourage isolation measures, such as a quarantine or curfew, in certain novel coronavirus "hotspots" around the country, but is not considering issuing those measures nationwide.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-says-hes-considering-recommending-quarantine-for-coronavirus-hotspots/ar-BB11gtNM?ocid=spartandhp (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-says-hes-considering-recommending-quarantine-for-coronavirus-hotspots/ar-BB11gtNM?ocid=spartandhp)
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Since you brought that up........ how does it do when you thaw it out? I remember that my Mom used to freeze milk, but I don't remember how it tasted after she got it out..
Tastes just like milk. But I only use it for cereal or making pancakes.
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Next time you find it, by an extra gallon (plastic jug) and put it in the freezer.
Powdered milk is an alternative as well. Not as tasty -- but it's still milk.
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Someone who has spoken against Trump, said he voted 3rd party and not for Trump is now upset that a tweet by an experienced diplomat was posted and calling it a misrepresentation and some how taking it out of context? I don't buy it. And that's also with what would seem to be implied in the past, that one did not think Trump was conservative.
What is the exact quote taken out of context?
Hours earlier, Mr. Trump told a group of governors that they should not wait for the federal government to fill the growing demand for respirators needed to help people diagnosed with coronavirus.
“Respirators, ventilators, all of the equipment — try getting it yourselves,†Mr. Trump told the governors during the conference call, a recording of which was shared with The New York Times.
“We will be backing you, but try getting it yourselves,†he said. “Point of sales, much better, much more direct if you can get it yourself.â€
The suggestion surprised some of the governors, who have been scrambling to contain the outbreak and are increasingly looking to the federal government for help with equipment, personnel and financial aid.
https://theweek.com/speedreads/902682/trump-governors-try-getting-respirators-coronavirus-patients-yourselves
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Tastes just like milk. But I only use it for cereal or making pancakes.
OK. Thanks. We just use it for cereal too. That's good to know. :beer:
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Parroting a misrepresenation of what he said? Hey, it's twitter and we post tweets.
So you have no problem with the fact that the tweet omitted the remainder of Trump's statement, and in doing so completely misrepresented what Trump said?
Trump's response was 100% correct. But no one here would know that from your deceptive post.
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So you have no problem with the fact that the tweet omitted the remainder of Trump's statement, and in doing so completely misrepresented what Trump said?
Trump's response was 100% correct. But no one here would know that from your deceptive post.
More insults, more browbeating.
Again, you seemed to imply Trump is not even conservative and you have said you didn't vote for him. So, who are you to tell others? This is bullying.
What is the full context of his speech? There's not enough room in a tweet. Just because you accuse others of deception doesn't mean it's so, it's the way the world works and I didn't see where the former law clerk for William Rehnquist and Bush appointee said something deceptive.
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Like I said, a logistics problem.
And that is the real problem with something like this. Especially if the govt locks things down for a couple of weeks.
I hate the panic buying, but I understand it. If jurisdictions go full China on this and you have to stay-in-place for awhile, you need supplies.
Like water, toilet paper, cleaning supplies - all the stuff that is disappearing off the shelves.
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So you have no problem with the fact that the tweet omitted the remainder of Trump's statement, and in doing so completely misrepresented what Trump said?
Trump's response was 100% correct. But no one here would know that from your deceptive post.
Ironic.... since TomSea was one of THE most vehement supporters of Trump when I migrated here from TOS. Ironic and...
odd.
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March 11th:
Trump moves to increase availability of respirators
WASHINGTON, March 11 (Reuters) - President Donald Trump on Wednesday signed a memo directing the U.S. secretary of labor to take steps to increase the availability of respirators for use by healthcare workers dealing with the coronavirus outbreak.
https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-usa-respirators-idUSW1N2AO008 (https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-usa-respirators-idUSW1N2AO008)
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Someone who has spoken against Trump, said he voted 3rd party and not for Trump is now upset that a tweet by an experienced diplomat was posted and calling it a misrepresentation and some how taking it out of context? I don't buy it. And that's also with what would seem to be implied in the past, that one did not think Trump was conservative.
What is the exact quote taken out of context?
You posted this part: “Respirators, ventilators, all of the equipment — try getting it yourselvesâ€
But you omitted this part: “We will be backing you, but try getting it yourselves. Point of sales, much better, much more direct if you can get it yourself.â€
Here again is your statement.Julie Bosman
@juliebosman
Wow.
“Respirators, ventilators, all of the equipment — try getting it yourselves,†Mr. Trump told the governors during the conference call. via
@jmartNYT
Is this a bad response?
Brett McGurk retweeted this.
I do agee, this isn't the right answer.
You were repeating a tweet from a NYTimes reporter making the case that the heartless bastard Trump was telling States that they were SOL. But that is not at all what Trump said. You expressed your agreement that Trump's answer was not the right answer. You accepted the words of a left-wing journalist without investigating to find out what Trump really said.
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It's been a depressing day, hasn't it?
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No, no, no... You go find a farmer with a milk cow, buy raw milk from him and skim off the cream...
I am reasonably set up, of course, but went out today to stock up, and am leaving again right now... It's crazy man. Just plain crazy. It almost ain't worth the couple hundred dollars worth I'd like to get in... t least that's true now that I have coffee.
But i just got notice that I can't pay my electric bill - the place is closed down, and my only options are electronic... which I don't do. Looks like they get to wait.
I got a notice a day or two ago from SRP the electric power company here in Mesa AZ that said they will not turn the power off for unpaid bills and will not charge late fees for unpaid bills until further notice.
That was a bit of a WOW.
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Ironic.... since TomSea was one of THE most vehement supporters of Trump when I migrated here from TOS. Ironic and...
odd.
No, it isn't, not in one bit. The president is not a God, it be Bush or whomever is president, there is nothing wrong with showing something that happened at a press conference. I mean, what is ironic is you said you are cynical about the sickness in the other thread a short time ago.
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,394834.new.html#new (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,394834.new.html#new)
Now, we have this, one posts something by Brett McGurk who by the way, was not fired by Trump but resigned and now, posting something he commented on is out of bounds? Unbelievable.
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It's been a depressing day, hasn't it?
Yes, it has. They've shut down most non-essential businesses here today. Hopefully there aren't any more drastic measures that need to be taken. They're tightening up on us like a vise.
We've pretty much closed the borders and cut off most congregation points—if this doesn't slow down the spread to something manageable, we're in trouble. I have hope it will help.
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You posted this part: “Respirators, ventilators, all of the equipment — try getting it yourselvesâ€
But you omitted this part: “We will be backing you, but try getting it yourselves. Point of sales, much better, much more direct if you can get it yourself.â€
Here again is your statement.Is this a bad response?
Brett McGurk retweeted this.
I do agee, this isn't the right answer.
You were repeating a tweet from a NYTimes reporter making the case that the heartless bastard Trump was telling States that they were SOL. But that is not at all what Trump said. You expressed your agreement that Trump's answer was not the right answer. You accepted the words of a left-wing journalist without investigating to find out what Trump really said.
Most of us here can filter through this stuff pretty well. TomSea posts A LOT of information quickly so I can understand not having the complete story when posted every time. It is also our job is to fill in the blanks, which you in particular do a very good job of.
Peace to both of you.
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Absolutely terrible @Lando Lincoln everyone seems on edge.
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Since you brought that up........ how does it do when you thaw it out? I remember that my Mom used to freeze milk, but I don't remember how it tasted after she got it out..
Milk freezes just fine, I used to do it it all the time.
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No, it isn't, not in one bit. The president is not a God, it be Bush or whomever is president, there is nothing wrong with showing something that happened at a press conference. I mean, what is ironic is you said you are cynical about the sickness in the other thread a short time ago.
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,394834.new.html#new (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,394834.new.html#new)
Now, we have this, one posts something by Brett McGurk who by the way, was not fired by Trump but resigned and now, posting something he commented on is out of bounds? Unbelievable.
Who said it was out of bounds? Legitimate criticism is always ok. It's the other stuff that some of us take issue with. JS....
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Who said it was out of bounds? Legitimate criticism is always ok. It's the other stuff that some of us take issue with. JS....
Methinks nerves are getting frayed....
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You posted this part: “Respirators, ventilators, all of the equipment — try getting it yourselvesâ€
But you omitted this part: “We will be backing you, but try getting it yourselves. Point of sales, much better, much more direct if you can get it yourself.â€
Here again is your statement.Is this a bad response?
Brett McGurk retweeted this.
I do agee, this isn't the right answer.
You were repeating a tweet from a NYTimes reporter making the case that the heartless bastard Trump was telling States that they were SOL. But that is not at all what Trump said. You expressed your agreement that Trump's answer was not the right answer. You accepted the words of a left-wing journalist without investigating to find out what Trump really said.
A journalist said the words "wow" and that's some great sin??
And you called her a leftwing journalist. I do read Brett McGurk's words, law clerk for William Rehnquist Bush appointee, worked for 3 administrations, maybe straight through.
So, you are the one who is using a deceptive argument now.
You posted this part: “Respirators, ventilators, all of the equipment — try getting it yourselvesâ€
But you omitted this part: “We will be backing you, but try getting it yourselves. Point of sales, much better, much more direct if you can get it yourself.â€
Now, this has to be called a falsehood, I did not omit anything from the tweet, I was on the I-phone, maybe the NY Times article didn't get directly linked but that was contained in the tweet address.
So, that was there. That is false to put it mildly, the tweet does not include that technically. You try to accuse others of being deceptive, your argument is being deceptive.
Brett McGurk
@brett_mcgurk
This is reckless and insane. The most important job for a president is to protect the American people. Not encourage a free-for-all for precious life-saving resources. No planning to scale production, ensure resources are available in hardest hit areas? Unbelievable. #COVID19
Quote Tweet
Julie Bosman
@juliebosman
· 5h
Wow.
“Respirators, ventilators, all of the equipment — try getting it yourselves,†Mr. Trump told the governors during the conference call. via @jmartNYT https://nytimes.com/2020/03/16/world/coronavirus-news.html
12:37 PM · Mar 16, 2020·Twitter for iPhone
That's the full tweet. I do not see where it includes the "We will be backing you" bit.
But does the "we will be backing you" even matter? Does it change things substantially? What does that mean? The articles say it took the governors back.
We use twitter here, perhaps if you object to it, you could start a petition for us to stop using it if you think there is something wrong with it.
And besides, this is cherry picking, I back Trump frequently daily here, for someone to push that idea. I didn't realize we were suppose to be close-minded to all.
Lastly, Julie Bosman, NY Times, "left NY Times reporter", another empty accusation. I had maybe heard of her, are there some articles one can point to that have this left wing slant and by the way, more name calling.
National correspondent covering the Midwest, @nytimes
. Sifting and winnowing.
https://twitter.com/juliebosman
Oh, yeah, she covers the Midwest, really can let go of her left wing ideas.... any examples on what she has written for the times??
This is the editorial board that largely comes up with views. That doesn't mean every reporter is that way.
This took more time to straighten out then the time it takes to write a post.
Cusswords too, I'm done here, you don't have a point.
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We go thru too much milk to have any to freeze, except for buttermilk.
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Who said it was out of bounds? Legitimate criticism is always ok. It's the other stuff that some of us take issue with. JS....
Well, it seems you are almost not even believing the coronavirus danger is real from some of what you were saying earlier, that would have one doubting the credibility of Ted Cruz who is still self-quarantining. Of the President, so that is taking a counter position in itself to those I guess, we are suppose to follow blindly.
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Methinks nerves are getting frayed....
To be expected, all things considered.
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Well, it seems you are almost not even believing the coronavirus danger is real from some of what you were saying earlier, that would have one doubting the credibility of Ted Cruz who is still self-quarantining. Of the President, so that is taking a counter position in itself to those I guess, we are suppose to follow blindly.
Methinks you are reading something that I didn't say into what I actually said. The danger of infection is real. It is highly contageous, as it was designed to be (a bio weapon). But so far, the mortality rate here in the US does NOT warrant the hysteria we're seeing, hyped up by the idiot left media.
As for those that have been exposed to someone with the virus, they damned sure better self-quarantine. It's just common sense (better safe than sorry).
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It's been a depressing day, hasn't it?
But these kinds of depressing days have the potential to bring out the best in us.
If anything, we should be kinder to each other. We're all in this together, and we need each other more than ever.
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Methinks you are reading something that I didn't say into what I actually said. The danger of infection is real. It is highly contageous, as it was designed to be (a bio weapon). But so far, the mortality rate here in the US does NOT warrant the hysteria we're seeing, hyped up by the idiot left media.
As for those that have been exposed to someone with the virus, they damned sure better self-quarantine. It's just common sense (better safe than sorry).
Well, I don't have CNN or ABC or whatever on to judge the left-wing media.
But now, Cruz self-quarantining himself is just using common sense.
I wish you all would post the reachings of the left-wing media on this issue because we haven't really seen that here, we've seen articles that are portraying what's going on.
We don't want to have a nightmare like Italy, China or Iran. It may be so serious, we're being very optimistic if we think things change soon. It's scary.
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I thought Ted Cruz had penned an editorial for the NY Times or Washington Post, rightfully called left-wing.. .often but it doesn't mean everything they publish is bad. I couldn't find what I thought Cruz wrote for them but I did find an editorial written by Tom Cotton for the NY Times:
Opinion
Tom Cotton: We Should Buy Greenland
Trump isn’t the only one to recognize the country’s strategic importance. Beijing does, too.
Mr. Cotton, a Republican, is a United States senator from Arkansas.
Aug. 26, 2019
More: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/26/opinion/politics/greenland-trump.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/26/opinion/politics/greenland-trump.html)
Good luck in calling everyone who writes for the NY Times a lefty. Pretty shallow.
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But these kinds of depressing days have the potential to bring out the best in us.
If anything, we should be kinder to each other. We're all in this together, and we need each other more than ever.
For morale and moral support, especially.
888high58888
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Well, I don't have CNN or ABC or whatever on to judge the left-wing media.
But now, Cruz self-quarantining himself is just using common sense.
I wish you all would post the reachings of the left-wing media on this issue because we haven't really seen that here, we've seen articles that are portraying what's going on.
We don't want to have a nightmare like Italy, China or Iran. It may be so serious, we're being very optimistic if we think things change soon. It's scary.
Agreed.
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I thought Ted Cruz had penned an editorial for the NY Times or Washington Post, rightfully called left-wing.. .often but it doesn't mean everything they publish is bad. I couldn't find what I thought Cruz wrote for them but I did find an editorial written by Tom Cotton for the NY Times:
Good luck in calling everyone who writes for the NY Times a lefty. Pretty shallow.
No. Not shallow. Just responding to the majority of their articles and commenting on the effing obvious most of the time....lol.
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For morale and moral support, especially.
888high58888
Indeed!
Uncertainty is scary, and what's for certain is that what we're seeing, we've never seen before.
I'm just happy to rest assured that God is in control, and that no matter what happens, we'll be OK.
Life has been pretty cushy and convenient for us as Americans. It looks like we'll be inconvenienced for a while, but this IS America, and I firmly believe we'll come through this fine.
Maybe stronger.
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Indeed!
Uncertainty is scary, and what's for certain is that what we're seeing, we've never seen before.
I'm just happy to rest assured that God is in control, and that no matter what happens, we'll be OK.
Life has been pretty cushy and convenient for us as Americans. It looks like we'll be inconvenienced for a while, but this IS America, and I firmly believe we'll come through this fine.
Maybe stronger.
Maybe more united, even. Hope springs.
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What that New York Times left wing journalist wrote on Trump, oh, and the article was co-written by Richard Fausset, let's make sure we are not omitting anything as to be deceptive, so this is a rabbit hole, my last post on this because it is derailing an important issue but it does have to do with the "coronavirus":
What Governors Say About Trump’s Response to Coronavirus
Even some governors who have been critics of the president are openly grateful for federal supplies. But the administration’s response to the outbreak has still received mixed reviews.
By Richard Fausset and Julie Bosman
Published March 11, 2020
Updated March 12, 2020
Vice President Mike Pence, fresh from a conference call with nearly all of the nation’s governors, spoke this week about how much those governors appreciated President Trump’s leadership in the midst of the coronavirus outbreak.
“The president’s leadership has made the difference here,†Mr. Pence said at a White House news conference on Monday. “I heard it again today from 47 governors.â€
The governors, who find themselves grappling with an escalating national health crisis, have begun raising their own voices in a mix of frustration, gratitude, alarm and pleas for assistance.
More at: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/11/us/coronavirus-governors-trump.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/11/us/coronavirus-governors-trump.html)
Now, "Respirators, Ventilators, get them yourselves" to paraphrase, "you have our full backing" as if that sounds so reassuring? I think it was proper to note. Not somehow that this was taken out of context and it totally changed things.
Anyway, last post on this rabbithole. There are very serious issues facing the nation, this could really change the way the whole world functions. A pivotal event that could get really bad.
"Respirators, Ventilators, get them yourself", oh, we shouldn't question that and if anything, since McGurk was a Bush appointee, Rehnquist was appointed by Bush or Reagan, McGurk would be more like a Bushie. Would George Bush have answered that question the same way.
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Maybe more united, even. Hope springs.
We need sumpin to unite us!
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We were united after Pearl Harbor.
We briefly were united after 9/11.
I am not optimistic.
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We are dealing with something in my opinion and I've seen it mentioned, that is a very great challenge like World War II.
Questions should be answered, so a never-Trumper takes issue with something now? WTH?
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We need sumpin to unite us!
Well the last thing was 9/11. Let's pray it doesn't take another "actual" attack like that.
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Well I'm on 14 day quarantine thanks to DoD force protection policies put in place after I left for my cruise.
Because I left the borders of the continental U.S. it puts me on the bench for 14 days. Just had to sign a receipt of a memorandum and issuance of a General Order from our commanding general.
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We are dealing with something in my opinion and I've seen it mentioned, that is a very great challenge like World War II.
Questions should be answered, so a never-Trumper takes issue with something now? WTH?
Careful who you label or consider a "never Trumper" there, hon. Most of us are not. Not even close.
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Well I'm on 14 day quarantine thanks to DoD force protection policies put in place after I left for my cruise.
Because I left the borders of the continental U.S. it puts me on the bench for 14 days. Just had to sign a receipt of a memorandum and issuance of a General Order from our commanding general.
Two-week vacay at home? I expect we'll be seeing you here a lot...lol!
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What that New York Times left wing journalist wrote on Trump, oh, and the article was co-written by Richard Fausset, let's make sure we are not omitting anything as to be deceptive, so this is a rabbit hole, my last post on this because it is derailing an important issue but it does have to do with the "coronavirus":
Now, "Respirators, Ventilators, get them yourselves" to paraphrase, "you have our full backing" as if that sounds so reassuring? I think it was proper to note. Not somehow that this was taken out of context and it totally changed things.
Anyway, last post on this rabbithole. There are very serious issues facing the nation, this could really change the way the whole world functions. A pivotal event that could get really bad.
"Respirators, Ventilators, get them yourself", oh, we shouldn't question that and if anything, since McGurk was a Bush appointee, Rehnquist was appointed by Bush or Reagan, McGurk would be more like a Bushie. Would George Bush have answered that question the same way.
I just listened to Governor DeSantis of FL regarding the comment on the respirators/ventilators. What was said in essence is; if the state has respirators in stock use their supply and if they have a source to get more go ahead and get them as this will cut out having to go through the bureaucracy and can be received quicker; the Feds will reimburse them 75%. DeSantis emphasized that Trump did not say that the governors were on their own.
The President spoke with the governors and he is leaving individual states to make some decisions regarding their own situations based on CDC guidelines and recommendations.
Florida has a population of appx. 22 million people. So far:
Number of People Tested: 1805
Negative Results: 816
Positive Results: 160
Results Pending: 829
Deaths: 4
Unfortunately southern Florida where I live has the bulk of those cases. Spring breakers are supposed to be here this week -- let's hope that the millennial bring some common sense with them!
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Well I'm on 14 day quarantine thanks to DoD force protection policies put in place after I left for my cruise.
Because I left the borders of the continental U.S. it puts me on the bench for 14 days. Just had to sign a receipt of a memorandum and issuance of a General Order from our commanding general.
Well ... best of luck to you and everyone could use some R&R. :patriot:
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Spring breakers are supposed to be here this week -- let's hope that the millennial bring some common sense with them!
LOL! You made a funny!
So....9 months from now, the beginning of the lock-downs in our homes, there will be a Baby Boom. The babies will be called, "Caronnials."
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LOL! You made a funny!
So....9 months from now, the beginning of the lock-downs in our homes, there will be a Baby Boom. The babies will be called, "Caronnials."
22222frying pan
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Understand, don't disagree. But we simply don't know how many people have been infected to know where that leads. If most people have been infected and that's all that has happened that would be very good news. That would also mean there's not much more the virus can infect. But we have no reliable data to know any of that.
It is clearly very infectious. If only 5,000 people of that 1.34 million have been infected that 100 deaths becomes significant and has a lot of upward mobility to get far worse. If 500,000 of that 1.34 million have been infected then it has likely run its course.
We simply don't know. Making bad assumptions either way has serious consequences.
Right. Especially about the mild case end of the spectrum, and the simple reality is that we will not ever know, because the mildest and milder cases won't get tested.
All we have to go on, then are the Chinese numbers, which are questionable, at best. Those, too, may provide a worst case scenario, or the Chinese may have been dropping like flies and getting cremated in pits. There is no way to tell.
What we do have as a profile, is that bar graph showing mortality by age group, and the understanding that virtually every death attributed to COVID-19 also involved other pulmonary, cardiac, or metabolic disorders (diabetes). If you are under 50, if you have no preexisting medical condition, your odds of being killed by this look to be slim.
As age goes up, or in the presence of underlying problems, your risk goes up.
Now, despite that, I ask you which group is being steered toward wholesale panic by the MSM, and why?
I think the answer becomes apparrent, especially considering the political polarization of the MSM, the ardent desire to have ANYTHING they can use against the incumbent in an election year where their candidates suck, and even the oft repeated mantras of how POTUS "didn't do anything", when, despite his orders, those whose job it was to follow those directives and get the job done have failed, not him. We're talking aobut people in bureaucratic polsitions who rose through the ranks over a span of years, in some cases, administrations, who suddenly, despite their alleged leadership in those positions have miserably failed to do what they were told. State Dept personnel and CDC personnel have dropped the ball on this, and somewhere in that mix, the FDA shares some of that.
I'm not playing thatpolitical game, and when the political hyperbole is stripped away, we have an unknown disease, considered very contagious, but at the same time, one which presents unknowns in terms of how serious it is overall in a given population.
THere are clusters where the disease has been relatively devastating, in Washington State Nursing homes, and in the North of Italy, but we don't have enough facts about the groups involved, mostly about those in Washington, universally older, and with preexisting medical problems. As for Italy, at one point the average age of victims was 81 years old, but the numbers have changed, more have died, and we really don't have much to go on, either in terms of knowing what care was available or utilized, nor the general health of the victims.
WHile it pays to be vigilant, to be careful to limit the spread of this, as much as we would say, the flu or other respiratory diseases, this isn't the time to be stripping store shelves, hiding behind our doors (although avoiding crowds may be prudent).
People can and will argue that if everyone stays home the disease won't spread (well, it will, just not as fast), but saying it didn't because of that, might not be entirely correct because mild cases may still continue through segments of the population with few symptoms, and symptoms of such low severity as to be pretty much ignored.
At that point, will the damage done by being overly cautious, even panicked, be more severe than the disease itself? I think so. But everyone needs to evaluate their own risks versus benefits, there, and act accordingly.
Why don't we consider screaming "FIRE!" in a crowded theater free speech (especially if there isn't a fire)?
Because more will die in the stampede for the exits than would have if they had left the theater in an orderly fashion, and definitely more than if there had been no fire at all.
So, in keeping with my general attitude toward this bug, let's calm down, get some useful stats, and consider what is indeed prudent against what might be excessive. We can always panic later.
For those so inclined, I am appalled at the apparent lack of Faith in The Almighty. Be calm. He knows what He is doing.
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Well I'm on 14 day quarantine thanks to DoD force protection policies put in place after I left for my cruise.
Because I left the borders of the continental U.S. it puts me on the bench for 14 days. Just had to sign a receipt of a memorandum and issuance of a General Order from our commanding general.
Thanks for your service. There are going to be many in "isolation" mode. PM Canada, wife. Hanks, wife. Sen. Cruz.
Today Brit actor Idris Elba.
I understand the purpose of isolation, is to "flatten the curve," thereby reducing the rate of spreading.
I wish you fast and ful recovery.
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LOL! You made a funny!
So....9 months from now, the beginning of the lock-downs in our homes, there will be a Baby Boom. The babies will be called, "Caronnials."
:silly:
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For those so inclined, I am appalled at the apparent lack of Faith in The Almighty. Be calm. He knows what He is doing.
Word. Overall, an excellent post.
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CDC denies Democrats' claim Trump slashed funding to anti-pandemic programs
by Dominick Mastrangelo | March 16, 2020 04:00 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention pushed back on claims from Democratic lawmakers that President Trump slashed funding to the department's anti-pandemic efforts.
Amid nationwide concern regarding the federal government's ability to contain the spread of the coronavirus, Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer blasted Trump late last month for “drastic cuts to the global health division at CDC," likely referring to a five-year, nearly $600 million supplemental package that ran out in September 2019.
"All of the warning lights are flashing bright red. We are staring down a potential pandemic, and the administration has no plan," the New York Democrat said. "We have a crisis of coronavirus, and President Trump has no plan, no urgency, no understanding of the facts, or how to coordinate a response."
More: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/cdc-denies-democrats-claim-trump-slashed-funding-to-anti-pandemic-programs (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/cdc-denies-democrats-claim-trump-slashed-funding-to-anti-pandemic-programs)
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I really think he's pointman for the Republicans on this issue, it's probably not the same as what Romney or Gabbard offered but in the same vein. I find it hard to think he's just doing all this by himself.
NewsUS News
Tom Cotton calls for “cash stipends to affected workers†and national “shutdown†effort
written by Paul Goldberg March 17, 2020
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Tom Cotton calls for “cash stipends to affected workers†and national “shutdown†effort
written by Paul Goldberg March 17, 2020
In a new series of tweets, Senator Tom Cotton calls for a national shutdown with only absolute essential work continuing along with “cash stipends to affected workers.â€
Cotton tweeted:
The time has come for extraordinary measures to combat the Chinese coronavirus. What seems extreme today will seem obvious tomorrow.
Two weeks ago, Italians were merrily sipping wine and coffee at bars and restaurants. Today, elderly Italians are denied care at hospitals and instead administered last rites because their health-care system is collapsing.
Read more at: https://newsthud.com/tom-cotton-calls-for-cash-stipends-to-affected-workers-and-national-shutdown-effort/
And here's his plan:
What Congress Should Do This Week
Senator Tom Cotton
Mar 16
This week, the Senate takes on the critical question of how to protect Americans and support the economy during the China coronavirus emergency. Our work must focus on efforts to help working Americans who hold hourly jobs, can’t telework, and can’t count on a paycheck. We must also help businesses that those workers rely on for jobs.
Over the weekend, the House of Representatives passed the Families First Coronavirus Response Act. It turns out that the administration and Speaker Pelosi were still ironing out significant differences even today. But from what we have seen already of the bill’s substance, I have serious concerns that it doesn’t go far enough to protect American families from the serious disruptions that are already occurring due to the China coronavirus.
We must do better than this, and we must be prepared to spend whatever it takes to shelter Americans from the coming storm — and very likely to spend more than the House bill proposes. But what we spend must work.
THE PROBLEM WITH THE HOUSE BILL
Read more at: https://medium.com/@SenTomCotton/what-congress-should-do-this-week-66e21d5c57c
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Ok, from the fringe (not always accurate stuff if you know what I mean)...
First... different strains of this virus... L and S ....
L version tends to hit young as well as older folks... thus why some countries are reporting half of their hospitalizations are under 50y/o folks...
"Today there are between forty and fifty corona patients in critical condition on Dutch intensive care units. “More than half of those patients are under fifty years old. There are also young people. "" That says chairman of the Dutch Association for Intensive Care (NVIC) Diederik Gommers, in an interview with this site."
https://www.ad.nl/dossier-coronavirus/40-a-50-nederlandse-coronapatienten-op-intensive-cares-meer-dan-de-helft-is-onder-de-vijftig~a058aad2/?referrer=https://t.co/FFkYTRXzox?amp=1&referrer=http://lamecherry.blogspot.com/ (https://www.ad.nl/dossier-coronavirus/40-a-50-nederlandse-coronapatienten-op-intensive-cares-meer-dan-de-helft-is-onder-de-vijftig~a058aad2/?referrer=https://t.co/FFkYTRXzox?amp=1&referrer=http://lamecherry.blogspot.com/)
(https://i.postimg.cc/W1cLFRvY/France.jpg)
Second: Talk that males are being harmed via becoming sterile. Too early to know how it is affecting younger females.
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3074945/coronavirus-hubei-government-deletes-report-claiming-covid-19 (https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3074945/coronavirus-hubei-government-deletes-report-claiming-covid-19)
You may return to your regular viewing... The Far side over and out.
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But these kinds of depressing days have the potential to bring out the best in us.
If anything, we should be kinder to each other. We're all in this together, and we need each other more than ever.
No truer words ever spoken.
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NEW: The first 67 U.S. coronavirus deaths by state and age
March 16, 2020 by Sharyl Attkisson
67 U.S. Coronavirus Deaths
42 of total U.S. deaths, or 63%, from Washington State
37 Washington State deaths are from King County (88% of Wash. State deaths)
29 deaths from Life Care Center, Kirkland (43% of total U.S. deaths)
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Sharyl Attkisson (https://sharylattkisson.com/2020/03/new-the-first-59-u-s-coronavirus-deaths-by-state-and-age/)
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NEW: The first 67 U.S. coronavirus deaths by state and age
March 16, 2020 by Sharyl Attkisson
67 U.S. Coronavirus Deaths
42 of total U.S. deaths, or 63%, from Washington State
37 Washington State deaths are from King County (88% of Wash. State deaths)
29 deaths from Life Care Center, Kirkland (43% of total U.S. deaths)
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Sharyl Attkisson (https://sharylattkisson.com/2020/03/new-the-first-59-u-s-coronavirus-deaths-by-state-and-age/)
That's good evidence that the fatality statistics are not indicative of much of anything. The data population is way too small. When one not-that-large State can skew the numbers that wildly, I'd have considered the stats too ambiguous to use for anything back in my pre-retirement work-land.
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Still not a single confirmed case in W.Va. :shrug:
Coronavirus dispatch from Hong Kong: We’re already through this. Here’s how we did it — and what life looks like on the other side
Published: March 16, 2020 at 7:58 p.m. ET
By Brett Arends
“Hong Kong is definitely coming back to life†following a weeks-long coronavirus lockdown, says Adam Najberg, an American executive who’s been living in the territory for over a decade. “It’s clearly not bustling, and restaurants aren’t brimming with activity, but people are going out again, shopping again, walking on the streets.†...
Najberg spoke with MarketWatch via Facebook Messenger to describe his recent experiences in Hong Kong, and how the Chinese territory has dealt with the coronavirus outbreak.
“It was tense six weeks ago,†he said. “Uncertainty about how bad it might be was hanging over folks, especially those remembering SARS. Now, honestly, my two biggest personal concerns are about my kids in the U.S. and whether there is Diet Coke in the vending machine. The U.S. doesn’t get this, and the years of polarization and complacency and comfort lull people into not taking this seriously enough.â€
Hong Kong is getting through this because the territory went to an emergency lockdown to stem the growing COVID-10 outbreak for three weeks in January and February, Najberg said. While the coronavirus has not been eradicated in Hong Kong, the territory has managed to severely slow the spread of the illness. According to the Johns Hopkins coronavirus tracker, Hong Kong has had a total of 155 confirmed cases, out of a population of 7.4 million.
Najberg said had to work from home for a few weeks. “Everyone masked up, work from home was implemented, [and] many companies have alternating shifts of staffers at the office, even though we’re back now,†he said. The territory did an enormous number of tests and quarantined the sick. ...
Full story (https://www.marketwatch.com/story/coronavirus-dispatch-from-hong-kong-were-already-through-this-heres-how-we-did-it-and-what-life-looks-like-on-the-other-side-2020-03-16?reflink=mw_share_facebook&fbclid=IwAR1L2HS1h9m5Xj44U70Dye6nZ3aAAEbVkNqz3Y9Pm1BY8zTC5Gs9yEKwlDY)
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Ok, from the fringe (not always accurate stuff if you know what I mean)...
First... different strains of this virus... L and S ....
L version tends to hit young as well as older folks... thus why some countries are reporting half of their hospitalizations are under 50y/o folks...
I've been hearing this alot. So I checked out the stats from the last bad flu year - 2017/18.
During that year 70% of the hospitalizations in the US were over 65 years old. Meaning 30% were under 65 years old.
58% of the deaths were over 65 years old. That means 42% were under 65 years old.
So, once AGAIN, I see nothing about this outbreak which differentiates it from any other bad flu outbreak.
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Coronavirus dispatch from Hong Kong: We’re already through this. Here’s how we did it — and what life looks like on the other side
Full story (https://www.marketwatch.com/story/coronavirus-dispatch-from-hong-kong-were-already-through-this-heres-how-we-did-it-and-what-life-looks-like-on-the-other-side-2020-03-16?reflink=mw_share_facebook&fbclid=IwAR1L2HS1h9m5Xj44U70Dye6nZ3aAAEbVkNqz3Y9Pm1BY8zTC5Gs9yEKwlDY)
That's is exactly why Trump and his team of experts are calling right now for social distancing for 15 days ... it was also mentioned that there may be forced compliance if people don't cooperate on their own.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/katie-pavlich-forced-compliance-trump-coronavirus-guidelines (https://www.foxnews.com/media/katie-pavlich-forced-compliance-trump-coronavirus-guidelines)
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And that is the real problem with something like this. Especially if the govt locks things down for a couple of weeks.
I hate the panic buying, but I understand it. If jurisdictions go full China on this and you have to stay-in-place for awhile, you need supplies.
Like water, toilet paper, cleaning supplies - all the stuff that is disappearing off the shelves.
And it is worse than that, because in a short week, the shortages have penetrated DEEP into the warehouse level. Restocking is not going to happen for a whole lot of things, and that problem is only going to expand. Thank the idiot who came up with JIT distribution for that.
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And that is the real problem with something like this. Especially if the govt locks things down for a couple of weeks.
I hate the panic buying, but I understand it. If jurisdictions go full China on this and you have to stay-in-place for awhile, you need supplies.
Like water, toilet paper, cleaning supplies - all the stuff that is disappearing off the shelves.
Except ... the virus and the impact of China was known. When the first cases started in the U.S., people should have taken some precautions that there might be a possibility that it could spread here and we could be on lockdown. Buying a roll or two of xtra toilet paper and paper towels, is doable for most people.
I've learned living in the hurricane belt you prepare ahead of time just in case. Most here have been preparing for the past couple of weeks, but even at that the shelves are bare. Hand sanitizer is still not available. Sanitizing wipes are also a rare commodity. Toilet paper and paper towels are still flying off the shelves as well as food.
Amazon still has some paper towels and tp -- just not some of the big name brands.
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Woke up the morning.
I was dead and gone.
No more whiskey to keep me.
Coronavirus got me man.
I went outside to see the sum
One last time before I die.
Good bye all you bastards.
My last dying words
I ohate all you guys
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“Hong Kong is definitely coming back to life†following a weeks-long coronavirus lockdown, says Adam Najberg, an American executive who’s been living in the territory for over a decade. “It’s clearly not bustling, and restaurants aren’t brimming with activity, but people are going out again, shopping again, walking on the streets.†...
Najberg spoke with MarketWatch via Facebook Messenger to describe his recent experiences in Hong Kong, and how the Chinese territory has dealt with the coronavirus outbreak.
“It was tense six weeks ago,†he said. “Uncertainty about how bad it might be was hanging over folks, especially those remembering SARS. Now, honestly, my two biggest personal concerns are about my kids in the U.S. and whether there is Diet Coke in the vending machine. The U.S. doesn’t get this, and the years of polarization and complacency and comfort lull people into not taking this seriously enough.â€
Hong Kong is getting through this because the territory went to an emergency lockdown to stem the growing COVID-10 outbreak for three weeks in January and February, Najberg said. While the coronavirus has not been eradicated in Hong Kong, the territory has managed to severely slow the spread of the illness. According to the Johns Hopkins coronavirus tracker, Hong Kong has had a total of 155 confirmed cases, out of a population of 7.4 million.
Full story (https://www.marketwatch.com/story/coronavirus-dispatch-from-hong-kong-were-already-through-this-heres-how-we-did-it-and-what-life-looks-like-on-the-other-side-2020-03-16?reflink=mw_share_facebook&fbclid=IwAR1L2HS1h9m5Xj44U70Dye6nZ3aAAEbVkNqz3Y9Pm1BY8zTC5Gs9yEKwlDY)
Explain this to me. Hong Kong still has 7,399,845 people with zero immunity to this disease. How can they be confident that they can go about their normal business even though the virus is still spreading? There is more to this than meets the eye. If the citizens of Hong Kong can go about their daily activities, then the people of the US should be able to do the same as long as we treat the virus seriously.
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Woke up the morning.
I was dead and gone.
No more whiskey to keep me.
Coronavirus got me man.
I went outside to see the sum
One last time before I die.
Good bye all you bastards.
My last dying words
I ohate all you guys
Welcome back @240B !
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And it is worse than that, because in a short week, the shortages have penetrated DEEP into the warehouse level. Restocking is not going to happen for a whole lot of things, and that problem is only going to expand. Thank the idiot who came up with JIT distribution for that.
Not so sure ... why wouldn't a company like Kimbery-Clark take this opportunity to ramp up their production of tp, paper towels, napkins and tissues? Same with Clorox -- ramp up production on bleach, and sanitizing cloths. Same with Purell -- hand sanitizer. These companies right now can make a fortune; I'm anticipating that they will raise the price in order to cover additional manufacturing costs???
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Explain this to me. Hong Kong still has 7,399,845 people with zero immunity to this disease. How can they be confident that they can go about their normal business even though the virus is still spreading? There is more to this than meets the eye. If the citizens of Hong Kong can go about their daily activities, then the people of the US should be able to do the same as long as we treat the virus seriously.
Asia can be counted on to open for business as soon as practically possible. Anyone over here hoping to drag this 'crisis' out will not be able to conceal that fact.
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Not so sure ... why wouldn't a company like Kimbery-Clark take this opportunity to ramp up their production of tp, paper towels, napkins and tissues? Same with Clorox -- ramp up production on bleach, and sanitizing cloths. Same with Purell -- hand sanitizer. These companies right now can make a fortune; I'm anticipating that they will raise the price in order to cover additional manufacturing costs???
If there were still distributorships instead of distribution points, there would be vast warehouses full of everything... ALREADY.
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Two-week vacay at home? I expect we'll be seeing you here a lot...lol!
I'll be splitting my time between here and my X Box ( 360 and One) taking the Cowboys to the Super Bowl and Kentucky to the national Championship.
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Not so sure ... why wouldn't a company like Kimbery-Clark take this opportunity to ramp up their production of tp, paper towels, napkins and tissues? Same with Clorox -- ramp up production on bleach, and sanitizing cloths. Same with Purell -- hand sanitizer. These companies right now can make a fortune; I'm anticipating that they will raise the price in order to cover additional manufacturing costs???
They won't make a fortune with things like TP. If they up their production drastically they'll have to shut down later. Just because people buy too much TP doesn't mean they are using more TP. All those households that have extra stock of TP will have to use it up before they start buying again. Shutting down production for awhile is a big deal.
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Explain this to me. Hong Kong still has 7,399,845 people with zero immunity to this disease. How can they be confident that they can go about their normal business even though the virus is still spreading? There is more to this than meets the eye. If the citizens of Hong Kong can go about their daily activities, then the people of the US should be able to do the same as long as we treat the virus seriously.
I'm guessing because they have a single border that is well controlled and they believe they've tracked down the people that were infected. So it about containing the virus in the places they know it is until it burns out.
We don't know where it is. At all... And our borders are still essentially open.
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Woke up the morning.
I was dead and gone.
No more whiskey to keep me.
Coronavirus got me man.
I went outside to see the sum
One last time before I die.
Good bye all you bastards.
My last dying words
I ohate all you guys
I got my toes in the water
Ass in the clay
Not a worry in the world
A PBR on the way
Life is good today
Life is good today -Toes: Zac Brown Band.
:seeya:
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Not so sure ... why wouldn't a company like Kimbery-Clark take this opportunity to ramp up their production of tp, paper towels, napkins and tissues? Same with Clorox -- ramp up production on bleach, and sanitizing cloths. Same with Purell -- hand sanitizer. These companies right now can make a fortune; I'm anticipating that they will raise the price in order to cover additional manufacturing costs???
LVMH to make hand sanitizer for coronavirus
Caitlin O'Kane,CBS MoneyWatch • March 15, 2020
Luxury brands conglomerate LVMH, which owns high-end fashion brands like Louis Vuitton and Fendi, will be repurposing its perfume production lines to start making hand sanitizer as a response to the coronavirus outbreak. LVMH says it wants to tackle a nationwide shortage of anti-viral products in France, BBC News reports.
The company announced Sunday it will produce large quantities of hydroalcoholic gels and deliver them, free of charge, to health authorities.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/lvmh-hand-sanitizer-coronavirus-032351436.html (https://www.yahoo.com/news/lvmh-hand-sanitizer-coronavirus-032351436.html)
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Governor DeWine administration postponed Ohio's primary tomorrow until June 2. (Good thing).
Judge denies the request because there's already been enough time to get in absentee ballots. (Bad thing).
Administration appeals, and it's now before the Ohio Supreme Court. (Good thing).
Stay tuned........ *****rollingeyes*****
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Gordon G. Chang
@GordonGChang
A friend in LA tells me some doctors are reluctant to give #coronavirus tests because if a patient tests positive the docs have to self-quarantine and therefore lose income.
7:02 PM · Mar 16, 2020
https://twitter.com/GordonGChang/status/1239703560415215616
That's incredible but it makes sense all the same... come into contact with someone with the coronavirus, you should go into self-quarantine or quarantine, it's crazy.
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LVMH to make hand sanitizer for coronavirus
Caitlin O'Kane,CBS MoneyWatch • March 15, 2020
Luxury brands conglomerate LVMH, which owns high-end fashion brands like Louis Vuitton and Fendi, will be repurposing its perfume production lines to start making hand sanitizer as a response to the coronavirus outbreak. LVMH says it wants to tackle a nationwide shortage of anti-viral products in France, BBC News reports.
The company announced Sunday it will produce large quantities of hydroalcoholic gels and deliver them, free of charge, to health authorities.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/lvmh-hand-sanitizer-coronavirus-032351436.html (https://www.yahoo.com/news/lvmh-hand-sanitizer-coronavirus-032351436.html)
Hand sanitizer:
1c Aloe Vera gel
2/3 c. isopropyl alchohol (shine/everclear/vodka works in a pinch)
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Not so sure ... why wouldn't a company like Kimbery-Clark take this opportunity to ramp up their production of tp, paper towels, napkins and tissues? Same with Clorox -- ramp up production on bleach, and sanitizing cloths. Same with Purell -- hand sanitizer. These companies right now can make a fortune; I'm anticipating that they will raise the price in order to cover additional manufacturing costs???
@libertybele
Not sure if you saw this...
Tennessee brothers who stockpiled nearly 18,000 bottles of hand sanitizer donate stash
The Tennessee brothers who tried to capitalize (https://www.foxnews.com/us/coronavirus-tennessee-brothers-sanitizer) on the coronavirus (https://www.foxnews.com/category/health/infectious-disease/coronavirus) outbreak by stockpiling nearly 18,000 bottles of hand sanitizer with the intent to resell the goods at marked-up prices have now had their stash cleaned out.
Matt and Noah Colvin drew widespread fury over the weekend after their effort was profiled by The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/14/technology/coronavirus-purell-wipes-amazon-sellers.html), in which they were revealed to have cleared out hand sanitizer and antibacterial wipes from stores around Chattanooga, Tenn., and parts of Kentucky.
But on Sunday, Matt Colvin helped volunteers from a local church place two-thirds of his massive supply onto a truck destined to deliver the products to Tennesseans in need, according to the newspaper (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/15/technology/matt-colvin-hand-sanitizer-donation.html). The remaining third reportedly was seized by officials from the Tennessee attorney general’s office and will be handed over to authorities in Kentucky for distribution.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/tennessee-brothers-give-away-hand-sanitizer (https://www.foxnews.com/us/tennessee-brothers-give-away-hand-sanitizer)
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Hand sanitizer:
1c Aloe Vera gel
2/3 c. isopropyl alchohol (shine/everclear/vodka works in a pinch)
Making sure the IPA is the 91% formula. The 40% won't work.
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I posted this back on the 14th:
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,388835.msg2169051.html#msg2169051 (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,388835.msg2169051.html#msg2169051)
Hoarding bros hoping to profiteer off coronavirus stuck with 17K bottles of hand sanitizer
NY Post by Dean Balsamini 3/14/2020
https://nypost.com/2020/03/14/hoarding-bros-hoping-to-profiteer-off-coronavirus-stuck-with-17k-bottles-of-hand-sanitizer/ (https://nypost.com/2020/03/14/hoarding-bros-hoping-to-profiteer-off-coronavirus-stuck-with-17k-bottles-of-hand-sanitizer/)
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Brothers, can you spare a hand santizer?
Matt and Noah Colvin cooked up a get-rich scheme to glom all of the antibacterial wipes and hand sanitizers they could find after the first U.S. coronavirus was reported March 1 and make a killing on the re-sale, according to a New York Times interview.
The Colvins — piloting a silver SUV — snapped up all the sanitizers they could find across Tennessee and Kentucky. They thought they were on the road to Easy Street when the first 300 bottles of hand sanitizer they purchased sold out for between $8 and $70 a pop, which was “multiples higher than what he had bought them for,†the Times story said.
EBay is prohibiting any US sales of masks or sanitizer
The brothers cleaned out a Dollar Tree, a Walmart, Staples and Home Depot and bought thousands of packs of antibacterial wipes from “little hole-in-the-wall dollar stores in the backwoods,†the Times reported.
More at link.
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Making sure the IPA is the 91% formula. The 40% won't work.
RIGHT. Which is why hot likker works too. :beer:
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Hand sanitizer:
1c Aloe Vera gel
2/3 c. isopropyl alchohol (shine/everclear/vodka works in a pinch)
@roamer_1
You got that ratio all wrong. Its 1 to 2
1/3 cup Aloe Vera gel
2/3 cup 91% isopropanol or everclear.
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RIGHT. Which is why hot likker works too. :beer:
Yes. I have a bottle of Everclear in the bar. I was going to use it to soak some cherry bombs. Much better results than using Vodka.
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The Plan for the Internal Destruction of the USA was Way Too Easy (https://canadafreepress.com/print_friendly/the-plan-for-the-internal-destruction-of-the-usa-was-way-too-easy)
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The Plan for the Internal Destruction of the USA was Way Too Easy (https://canadafreepress.com/print_friendly/the-plan-for-the-internal-destruction-of-the-usa-was-way-too-easy)
That is the perfect font size for this unsourced breathless drivel.
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The election has been postponed by the Ohio Department of Health.
Official Election Day is now June 2nd.
This is a good thing.
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That is the perfect font size for this unsourced breathless drivel.
Unsourced?
https://canadafreepress.com/members/1/SherZieve/160
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Except ... the virus and the impact of China was known. When the first cases started in the U.S., people should have taken some precautions that there might be a possibility that it could spread here and we could be on lockdown. Buying a roll or two of xtra toilet paper and paper towels, is doable for most people.
I've learned living in the hurricane belt you prepare ahead of time just in case. Most here have been preparing for the past couple of weeks, but even at that the shelves are bare. Hand sanitizer is still not available. Sanitizing wipes are also a rare commodity. Toilet paper and paper towels are still flying off the shelves as well as food.
Amazon still has some paper towels and tp -- just not some of the big name brands.
Because, as I've said here before, the suburbanite worldview + lifestyle will be the death of us all.
Americans love to skate on thin ice then swoop in the last minute + think they can grab everything they need before its gone. Its almost like a game to some people.
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When I woke up
I was sure I was definitely going to die
Since I have looked Death in the face so many times
All I could do was to ask?
What do you have for me this time?
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Because, as I've said here before, the suburbanite worldview + lifestyle will be the death of us all.
Americans love to skate on thin ice then swoop in the last minute + think they can grab everything they need before its gone. Its almost like a game to some people.
They haven't known significant shortages of common items for any length of time before. Large parts of the rest of the world have.
Wasn't the last TP shortage in America caused by Johnny Carson?
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Unsourced?
https://canadafreepress.com/members/1/SherZieve/160
Thank you for correcting me. Unsourced is the wrong word "unproven", and "hysterical" are closer. Is "unevidenced" better?
I am inartful tonight, but my point is you can't say "The Plan for the Internal Destruction of the USA was Way Too Easy" and "it, also, appears to be intentional." and offer nothing but a patent that mentions Coronavirus. The coronavirus was discovered in the mid 1960s.
Do you find the article convincing @Hoodat ?
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Thank you for correcting me. Unsourced is the wrong word "unproven", and "hysterical" are closer. Is "unevidenced" better?
I am inartful tonight, but my point is you can't say "The Plan for the Internal Destruction of the USA was Way Too Easy" and "it, also, appears to be intentional." and offer nothing but a patent that mentions Coronavirus. The coronavirus was discovered in the mid 1960s.
Do you find the article convincing @Hoodat ?
Are you okay?
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Right. Especially about the mild case end of the spectrum, and the simple reality is that we will not ever know, because the mildest and milder cases won't get tested.
All we have to go on, then are the Chinese numbers, which are questionable, at best. Those, too, may provide a worst case scenario, or the Chinese may have been dropping like flies and getting cremated in pits. There is no way to tell.
What we do have as a profile, is that bar graph showing mortality by age group, and the understanding that virtually every death attributed to COVID-19 also involved other pulmonary, cardiac, or metabolic disorders (diabetes). If you are under 50, if you have no preexisting medical condition, your odds of being killed by this look to be slim.
As age goes up, or in the presence of underlying problems, your risk goes up.
Now, despite that, I ask you which group is being steered toward wholesale panic by the MSM, and why?
I think the answer becomes apparrent, especially considering the political polarization of the MSM, the ardent desire to have ANYTHING they can use against the incumbent in an election year where their candidates suck, and even the oft repeated mantras of how POTUS "didn't do anything", when, despite his orders, those whose job it was to follow those directives and get the job done have failed, not him. We're talking aobut people in bureaucratic polsitions who rose through the ranks over a span of years, in some cases, administrations, who suddenly, despite their alleged leadership in those positions have miserably failed to do what they were told. State Dept personnel and CDC personnel have dropped the ball on this, and somewhere in that mix, the FDA shares some of that.
I'm not playing thatpolitical game, and when the political hyperbole is stripped away, we have an unknown disease, considered very contagious, but at the same time, one which presents unknowns in terms of how serious it is overall in a given population.
THere are clusters where the disease has been relatively devastating, in Washington State Nursing homes, and in the North of Italy, but we don't have enough facts about the groups involved, mostly about those in Washington, universally older, and with preexisting medical problems. As for Italy, at one point the average age of victims was 81 years old, but the numbers have changed, more have died, and we really don't have much to go on, either in terms of knowing what care was available or utilized, nor the general health of the victims.
WHile it pays to be vigilant, to be careful to limit the spread of this, as much as we would say, the flu or other respiratory diseases, this isn't the time to be stripping store shelves, hiding behind our doors (although avoiding crowds may be prudent).
People can and will argue that if everyone stays home the disease won't spread (well, it will, just not as fast), but saying it didn't because of that, might not be entirely correct because mild cases may still continue through segments of the population with few symptoms, and symptoms of such low severity as to be pretty much ignored.
At that point, will the damage done by being overly cautious, even panicked, be more severe than the disease itself? I think so. But everyone needs to evaluate their own risks versus benefits, there, and act accordingly.
Why don't we consider screaming "FIRE!" in a crowded theater free speech (especially if there isn't a fire)?
Because more will die in the stampede for the exits than would have if they had left the theater in an orderly fashion, and definitely more than if there had been no fire at all.
So, in keeping with my general attitude toward this bug, let's calm down, get some useful stats, and consider what is indeed prudent against what might be excessive. We can always panic later.
For those so inclined, I am appalled at the apparent lack of Faith in The Almighty. Be calm. He knows what He is doing.
Thank you for the detailed response. I suspect we are mostly on the same page. It is where you draw the fuzzy line in the absence of reliable data - all of which will have serious consequences wherever it is drawn.
My ability to write well is sorely lacking so I don't express myself very well... I do try though...
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Making sure the IPA is the 91% formula. The 40% won't work.
91% IPA is correct. On top of that, the formulation has to be 1/3 cup aloe (maybe a tiny bit short of that just to be safe) mixed with 2/3 cup of 91% IPA. The essential oils are only there to make it smell better. FWIW, 91% IPA has been unavailable everywhere I have looked.
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91% IPA is correct. On top of that, the formulation has to be 1/3 cup aloe (maybe a tiny bit short of that just to be safe) mixed with 2/3 cup of 91% IPA. The essential oils are only there to make it smell better. FWIW, 91% IPA has been unavailable everywhere I have looked.
True. i used to find it pretty easily at Walgreens, but it has appeared that general public has caught on the home made hand sanitizer gig.
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Commerce around the planet is ending due to a cold virus that appears to be—at its worst—less virulent than the [common] flu.
- https://canadafreepress.com/article/the-plan-for-the-internal-destruction-of-the-usa-was-way-too-easy
This woman loses credibility saying something like this. It's like saying, "This is how ignorant I am".
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@roamer_1
You got that ratio all wrong. Its 1 to 2
1/3 cup Aloe Vera gel
2/3 cup 91% isopropanol or everclear.
@Elderberry
Sorry if I did... It's what I have always done... Works for me :shrug:
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Let's get a little more perspective on her opinion and worldview, rather than just one line.
From: https://canadafreepress.com/article/the-plan-for-the-internal-destruction-of-the-usa-was-way-too-easy (https://canadafreepress.com/article/the-plan-for-the-internal-destruction-of-the-usa-was-way-too-easy)
And, now the world is—quite literally—shutting down. Commerce around the planet is ending due to a cold virus that appears to be—at its worst—less virulent than the [common] flu. Humankind seems to have lost its mind and is, now, going along with its self-immolation. It is, also, providing the globalists with what they have wanted for millennia…total control over humans. And due to said humans going along with the charade and madness, the Luciferian Left are currently winning. Folks, isn’t it time to chill out and calm down? Haven’t we all had enough of this madness? How long will it be for people to wake up to what’s really going on? When a panic of this measure is activated, you/we can be certain that something far more insidious is being developed by our enemies—both foreign and domestic—in the shadows and we’re to self-absorbed to see it. Above all, please remember the one who clears panic and uncertainty from our lives.
Travel restrictions are going up all over. The coronavirus that causes COVID-19 is one of a family of viruses that include viruses which cause the common cold. SO far, the flu is a more effective killer, but that might be because it got there first, or perhaps in spite of annual shots and tailored antivirals to eliminate it. Neither are done yet, so all the votes aren't counted, so to speak.
Yes, in the face of this virus, people are practically howling for restrictions they would not tolerate under other circumstances.
Even the death toll so far out of an estimated 330,000,000 people is less than 100--so far, that's 0.00003% (Yes, I know, that number will inevitably go up, the question is how much, and will it equal the number of people the flu sends home to The Almighty this year.)
As always, those with preexisting pulmonary conditions, heart conditions, diabetes, and other health issues are at greater risk of mortality. Those considered elderly are at greater risk also.
All that is really different about this bug is that we haven't dealt with this particular one before.
It really is not the time to go turning the contents of the underwear drawer into macrame projects.
Prudent measures have been taken to slow the progress of the disease.
Have a little Faith in The Almighty, and carry on.
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Have a little Faith in The Almighty, and carry on.
Absolutely.
Great post!
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Are you okay?
My wife's a pain in the ass. She's always busting my friggin' agates. My daughter's married to a real loser bastard. And I got a rash so bad on my ass, I can't even sit down. But you know me. I can't complain.
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https://nypost.com/2020/03/16/200-nurses-furloughed-in-new-york-and-connecticut-over-coronavirus-exposure/
200 nurses furloughed in New York, Connecticut over coronavirus exposure
Two hundred nurses employed by an interstate health system in New York and Connecticut have been out of work since potentially being exposed to coronavirus patients, a report said.
The health care workers from Nuvance Health will remain sidelined until they can obtain coronavirus tests to determine if they were infected, according to the Hartford Courant, citing Gov. Ned Lamont.
Lamont was discussing the dire situation at Danbury Hospital, which he said was “at capacity,†on MSNBC’s “All In With Chris Hayes†when he made the shocking revelation.
“Well I can tell you, Danbury Hospital is already at capacity. And they have 200 nurses on furlough because they were in contact,†Lamont told host Chris Hayes.
more at link
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Commerce around the planet is ending due to a cold virus that appears to be—at its worst—less virulent than the [common] flu.
- https://canadafreepress.com/article/the-plan-for-the-internal-destruction-of-the-usa-was-way-too-easy
This woman loses credibility saying something like this. It's like saying, "This is how ignorant I am".
https://twitter.com/EWErickson/status/1239753697275584512
Erick Erickson @EWErickson
For the last several weeks, a number of well-educated people have been telling me that COVID-19 is not new and was actually patented in 2015. "WTF?!" I thought. So I went down the rabbit hole to figure it out. Reminder, even smart people are stupid.
In 2015, Gilead Science patented a drug called remdesivir. It was designed to fight Ebola, MERS, and other coronaviruses, according to the patent.
In January of 2020, the Wuhan Institute of Virology, which is where a lot of people believe COVID-19 came from through an accidental release, filed a patent under an international patent treaty.
The Wuhan Institute of Virology waited until China had publicly admitted the extent of the epidemic, then claimed it might have found something.
It appears the Wuhan Institute of Virology stole the chemical composition of Gilead Science's drug and repackaged it as a potential cure or drug to use against COVID-19.
So Gilead Science had to update its patent in January to make clear remdesivir could be used in the treatment of COVID-19.
As a result, conspiracists saw Gilead's patent filing and presumed it had patented COVID-19 in 2015. It had done no such thing. But it had to preserve its legal claims when China tried to steal what it had developed.
That required updating its 2015 patent in 2020 and connecting its drug to COVID-19. The conspiracy theorists latched on to that and started circulating Instagram videos, Facebook memes, and other social media postings claiming COVID-19 was patented in 2015.
10:21 PM · Mar 16, 2020
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https://twitter.com/EWErickson/status/1239753697275584512
Erick Erickson @EWErickson
For the last several weeks, a number of well-educated people have been telling me that COVID-19 is not new and was actually patented in 2015. "WTF?!" I thought. So I went down the rabbit hole to figure it out. Reminder, even smart people are stupid.
In 2015, Gilead Science patented a drug called remdesivir. It was designed to fight Ebola, MERS, and other coronaviruses, according to the patent.
In January of 2020, the Wuhan Institute of Virology, which is where a lot of people believe COVID-19 came from through an accidental release, filed a patent under an international patent treaty.
The Wuhan Institute of Virology waited until China had publicly admitted the extent of the epidemic, then claimed it might have found something.
It appears the Wuhan Institute of Virology stole the chemical composition of Gilead Science's drug and repackaged it as a potential cure or drug to use against COVID-19.
So Gilead Science had to update its patent in January to make clear remdesivir could be used in the treatment of COVID-19.
As a result, conspiracists saw Gilead's patent filing and presumed it had patented COVID-19 in 2015. It had done no such thing. But it had to preserve its legal claims when China tried to steal what it had developed.
That required updating its 2015 patent in 2020 and connecting its drug to COVID-19. The conspiracy theorists latched on to that and started circulating Instagram videos, Facebook memes, and other social media postings claiming COVID-19 was patented in 2015.
10:21 PM · Mar 16, 2020
888high58888
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I got an alert text last night that “Saturday Night Live†is being postponed indefinitely.
And I’m getting daily emails from places I go shopping in that they are closing their bricks and mortar stores but you can still order online.
Now I’m also getting emails from local grocery stores looking for seasonal help now for people to come in and restock shelves if they’ve been laid off and need extra money.
I feel bad for all the people who can’t work from home and need money. In my own apartment complex I’m seeing people leaving fliers under my door saying they’ll run errands for me if I can’t go out, or walk my dog. Babysitting. Anything for a little money.
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This is insane. I got a notification on my Fox News app about some actor I never heard of contracting corona.
If you’re a fan of “The Officeâ€, he was Michael’s boss and took an instant dislike to Jim Halpert.
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They haven't known significant shortages of common items for any length of time before. Large parts of the rest of the world have.
Wasn't the last TP shortage in America caused by Johnny Carson?
The ‘Shortage’ of Bathroom Tissue: Classic Study in Rumor
https://www.nytimes.com/1974/02/03/archives/the-shortage-of-bathroom-tissue-a-classic-study-in-rumor-shortage.html (https://www.nytimes.com/1974/02/03/archives/the-shortage-of-bathroom-tissue-a-classic-study-in-rumor-shortage.html)
Feb. 3, 1974
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is it wrong?
I feel like it is Wrong
For me to laugh at the Coronavirus
And all the people buying toilet paper
I mean comon that is funny
Don't care how you sliced it
that right there is funny
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is it wrong?
I feel like it is Wrong
For me to laugh at the Coronavirus
And all the people buying toilet paper
I mean comon that is funny
Don't care how you sliced it
that right there is funny
@240B
The choice is to laugh, cry or go nuts....
Worried that so many would buy into the hysteria... where will that lead us?
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https://covidtracking.com/data/ (https://covidtracking.com/data/)
Last updated: 3/17 07:15 ET
US Totals
Positive Negative Pos + Neg Pending Death Total
4,380 43,072 47,452 1,969 79 49,423
On March 2nd Dr. Stephen Hahn, the F.D.A.’s commissioner, said https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/03/health/coronavirus-tests-fda.html]"The estimates we’re getting from industry right now, by the end of this week, close to a million tests will be able to be performed.†[url]https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/03/health/coronavirus-tests-fda.html (http://"The estimates we’re getting from industry right now, by the end of this week, close to a million tests will be able to be performed.†[url) [/url]
2 weeks later we have less than 50K tests run. I've read South Korea does 10K test daily. I have a hunch not everyone who wants a test can get a test.
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Sorry if I did... It's what I have always done... Works for me :shrug:
@roamer_1
Your recipe brings the percentage of alcohol below what the CDC calls for to effectively kill viruses.
https://www.cdc.gov/handwashing/show-me-the-science-hand-sanitizer.html (https://www.cdc.gov/handwashing/show-me-the-science-hand-sanitizer.html)
Many studies have found that sanitizers with an alcohol concentration between 60–95% are more effective at killing germs than those with a lower alcohol concentration or non-alcohol-based hand sanitizers. Hand sanitizers without 60-95% alcohol 1) may not work equally well for many types of germs; and 2) merely reduce the growth of germs rather than kill them outright.
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https://covidtracking.com/data/ (https://covidtracking.com/data/)
Last updated: 3/17 07:15 ET
US Totals
Positive Negative Pos + Neg Pending Death Total
4,380 43,072 47,452 1,969 79 49,423
On March 2nd Dr. Stephen Hahn, the F.D.A.’s commissioner, said "The estimates we’re getting from industry right now, by the end of this week, close to a million tests will be able to be performed.†[url]https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/03/health/coronavirus-tests-fda.html]https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/03/health/coronavirus-tests-fda.html]"The estimates we’re getting from industry right now, by the end of this week, close to a million tests will be able to be performed.†[url]https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/03/health/coronavirus-tests-fda.html (http://"The estimates we’re getting from industry right now, by the end of this week, close to a million tests will be able to be performed.†[url=https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/03/health/coronavirus-tests-fda.html) [/url]
2 weeks later we have less than 50K tests run. I've read South Korea does 10K test daily. I have a hunch not everyone who wants a test can get a test.
@Once-Ler
But why is the number of tests important?
If your sick, rest, drink lotsa fluids and keep the fever down, isolate..
If your having real issues, call 911.... Why do I need a test?
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@Once-Ler
But why is the number of tests important?
If your sick, rest, drink lotsa fluids and keep the fever down, isolate..
If your having real issues, call 911.... Why do I need a test?
@EdinVA Thanks for you reply.
If you're infected the purpose of the test would be to treat the virus before your symptoms become too sever to ignore, and perhaps fatal, and to prevent you infecting others. If you're not infected then you don't need to be tested.
I find it hard to believe only 50k people wanted to be tested so far, and anecdotal news stories suggest many people already feel sick and want to be tested but can't get them.
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Your recipe brings the percentage of alcohol below what the CDC calls for to effectively kill viruses.
Can you add a few drops of bleach to up the ante? They may not mix, heck if I know. I always tend to put a few drops on bleach in the dishwater whether it needs it or not... just something I have always done since working for a vet as a youth.
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@EdinVA Thanks for you reply.
If you're infected the purpose of the test would be to treat the virus before your symptoms become too sever to ignore, and perhaps fatal, and to prevent you infecting others. If you're not infected then you don't need to be tested.
I find it hard to believe only 50k people wanted to be tested so far, and anecdotal news stories suggest many people already feel sick and want to be tested but can't get them.
@Once-Ler
It is important that those in "high risk" groups get "special" attention but for the vast majority of folks there really is no treatment that I am aware of, other than the normal rest, fluids, fever and isolate..
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Can you add a few drops of bleach to up the ante? They may not mix, heck if I know. I always tend to put a few drops on bleach in the dishwater whether it needs it or not... just something I have always done since working for a vet as a youth.
Better to just follow the recipe rather than mix alcohol and bleach.
Rubbing alcohol contains ethanol or isopropyl alcohol, which, when mixed with household bleach containing sodium hypochlorite, will create chloroform and hydrochloric acid, as well as chloroacetone or dichloroacetone. These compounds can cause damage to the nervous system, lungs, kidneys, liver, eyes, and skin.
https://www.thoughtco.com/mixing-bleach-with-alcohol-or-acetone-3980642 (https://www.thoughtco.com/mixing-bleach-with-alcohol-or-acetone-3980642)
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@Once-Ler
It is important that those in "high risk" groups get "special" attention but for the vast majority of folks there really is no treatment that I am aware of, other than the normal rest, fluids, fever and isolate..
@EdinVA
https://www.gilead.com/news-and-press/press-room/press-releases/2020/2/gilead-sciences-initiates-two-phase-3-studies-of-investigational-antiviral-remdesivir-for-the-treatment-of-covid-19 (https://www.gilead.com/news-and-press/press-room/press-releases/2020/2/gilead-sciences-initiates-two-phase-3-studies-of-investigational-antiviral-remdesivir-for-the-treatment-of-covid-19)
Gilead Sciences Initiates Two Phase 3 Studies of Investigational Antiviral Remdesivir for the Treatment of COVID-19
-- U.S. FDA Grants Investigational New Drug Authorization to Study Remdesivir for the Treatment of COVID-19 --
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/gilead-sciences-could-first-beat-140049667.html (https://finance.yahoo.com/news/gilead-sciences-could-first-beat-140049667.html)
The coronavirus’ grip on the market continues. Since the beginning of February, the S&P 500 has shed 8.5% of its value, a reflection of the effect the outbreak is having on the global economy. Amidst the bloodbath, one specific group of stocks is holding up. These are the drug companies those infected, the public at large and investors are hoping can halt the virus from spreading any further. Gilead Sciences (GILD) is among those leading the search for a treatment and is currently being rewarded by the market. In contrast to the broader market, GILD stock is up 23% year-to-date.
Remdesivir, one of the company’s existing drugs which was previously tested as a possible treatment for Ebola, is being tested as a potential treatment for COVID-19.
Gilead has initiated two Phase III studies in China, one in severe patients and one in patients with moderate symptoms. The trials will have short endpoints (14 days), with the possibility of data readouts in April.
more at link
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@Once-Ler
But why is the number of tests important?
If your sick, rest, drink lotsa fluids and keep the fever down, isolate..
If your having real issues, call 911.... Why do I need a test?
@EdinVA
@Once-Ler
Having more people tested does several things.
For one thing, knowing how many people are infected and where they are located and how fast it is spreading can help health officials and hospitals prepare for more admissions even if you, as someone who feels only mildly ill doesn’t require hospitalization.
It also gives them a better idea of how many cases there actually are as compared to seasonal flu or colds or other respiratory ailments or even allergies.
It would also indicate if those in your household or those you have been in close contact with may have been exposed and need to self-isolate.
If you are aware you are positive but not sick enough to be hospitalized, while the at home treatment is pretty much the same as for colds and influenza, knowing you are positive for COVID-19 may make you more aware of the complications and seek help earlier, plus if you need to go to the hospital, you can let them know you are positive so they can take extra steps to isolate you.
As this is a novel virus which may become endemic (seasonal) so being able to better understand its scope is very helpful.
“If you are having real issue, call 911…â€
Should we reach high levels of infections with enough cases serious enough to require a call to 911, you have to hope they come in time and or that there aren’t too many 1st responders (or doctors and nurses) out sick with it too.
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@EdinVA
https://www.gilead.com/news-and-press/press-room/press-releases/2020/2/gilead-sciences-initiates-two-phase-3-studies-of-investigational-antiviral-remdesivir-for-the-treatment-of-covid-19 (https://www.gilead.com/news-and-press/press-room/press-releases/2020/2/gilead-sciences-initiates-two-phase-3-studies-of-investigational-antiviral-remdesivir-for-the-treatment-of-covid-19)
Gilead Sciences Initiates Two Phase 3 Studies of Investigational Antiviral Remdesivir for the Treatment of COVID-19
-- U.S. FDA Grants Investigational New Drug Authorization to Study Remdesivir for the Treatment of COVID-19 --
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/gilead-sciences-could-first-beat-140049667.html (https://finance.yahoo.com/news/gilead-sciences-could-first-beat-140049667.html)
The coronavirus’ grip on the market continues. Since the beginning of February, the S&P 500 has shed 8.5% of its value, a reflection of the effect the outbreak is having on the global economy. Amidst the bloodbath, one specific group of stocks is holding up. These are the drug companies those infected, the public at large and investors are hoping can halt the virus from spreading any further. Gilead Sciences (GILD) is among those leading the search for a treatment and is currently being rewarded by the market. In contrast to the broader market, GILD stock is up 23% year-to-date.
Remdesivir, one of the company’s existing drugs which was previously tested as a possible treatment for Ebola, is being tested as a potential treatment for COVID-19.
Gilead has initiated two Phase III studies in China, one in severe patients and one in patients with moderate symptoms. The trials will have short endpoints (14 days), with the possibility of data readouts in April.
more at link
Remdesivir, one of the company’s existing drugs which was previously tested as a possible treatment for Ebola, is being tested as a potential treatment for COVID-19.
Ahem.... being tested does NOT mean it is being administered to the general public yet.
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Better to just follow the recipe rather than mix alcohol and bleach.
Rubbing alcohol contains ethanol or isopropyl alcohol, which, when mixed with household bleach containing sodium hypochlorite, will create chloroform and hydrochloric acid, as well as chloroacetone or dichloroacetone. These compounds can cause damage to the nervous system, lungs, kidneys, liver, eyes, and skin.
Gotcha, thanks, think I will just take a small bottle of bleach with me and do that instead of the alcohol thing.. so it dries my hands out, had worse. I just trust bleach so much more.
Besides, bleach is Hillary approved as we all know...
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Update:
The Ohio Primary election scheduled for today has officially been postponed until June 2nd.
A judge blocked the Governor’s decision last night, the Ohio Department of Health then cancelled it due to health concerns, and I just read this morning that the (Republican) Ohio Supreme Court officially okayed moving the date.
There are many relieved poll workers and voters today.
I will happily vote absentee and stay at home today. It will save us a few wipes. :patriot:
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The ‘Shortage’ of Bathroom Tissue: Classic Study in Rumor
https://www.nytimes.com/1974/02/03/archives/the-shortage-of-bathroom-tissue-a-classic-study-in-rumor-shortage.html (https://www.nytimes.com/1974/02/03/archives/the-shortage-of-bathroom-tissue-a-classic-study-in-rumor-shortage.html)
Feb. 3, 1974
@thackney
I was stationed overseas at the time and I found out about the shortage by a letter from my mom.
I decided to help out as we had lotsa tp and wrote the next few letter home on tp.... lol
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Ahem.... being tested does NOT mean it is being administered to the general public yet.
Then wait for an established cure before you get tested @XenaLee
https://www.abqjournal.com/1432738/hundreds-seek-drive-up-testing-forcing-one-site-to-close.html (https://www.abqjournal.com/1432738/hundreds-seek-drive-up-testing-forcing-one-site-to-close.html)
Hundreds seek drive-up testing; one site closed
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Fearing they may be infected with the coronavirus, hundreds have flocked in recent days to the Albuquerque hospitals offering drive-up COVID-19 testing, forcing one of the sites to shut temporarily because of dwindling resources and supplies.
Whitney Marquez, a spokeswoman for Lovelace Medical Center, said Monday that the hospital was temporarily putting its drive-up testing site on hold. The hospital was the first to start offering the service in Albuquerque on Friday evening. The site tested hundreds of people before its resources were taxed.
(https://d3el53au0d7w62.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/16/rer031620d-800x462.jpg)
"Anyone who wants a test can get a test." President Trump March 7
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Then wait for an established cure before you get tested @XenaLee
https://www.abqjournal.com/1432738/hundreds-seek-drive-up-testing-forcing-one-site-to-close.html (https://www.abqjournal.com/1432738/hundreds-seek-drive-up-testing-forcing-one-site-to-close.html)
Hundreds seek drive-up testing; one site closed
(https://d3el53au0d7w62.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/16/rer031620c-800x449.jpg)
Fearing they may be infected with the coronavirus, hundreds have flocked in recent days to the Albuquerque hospitals offering drive-up COVID-19 testing, forcing one of the sites to shut temporarily because of dwindling resources and supplies.
Whitney Marquez, a spokeswoman for Lovelace Medical Center, said Monday that the hospital was temporarily putting its drive-up testing site on hold. The hospital was the first to start offering the service in Albuquerque on Friday evening. The site tested hundreds of people before its resources were taxed.
(https://d3el53au0d7w62.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/16/rer031620d-800x462.jpg)
"Anyone who wants a test can get a test." President Trump March 7
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So the president misspoke. Should have said anyone that "needs" a test (ie that is already showing symptoms) can get a test.
But I'm not sick and even if I get sick, I won't "need" a test. I will self-quarantine anyway.
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I don't think the intent of any of this is to stop the virus, but rather to slow its spread so the hospital system can keep up. Unfortunately, modern medicine being what it is, we don't have an abundance of hospital beds in this country (and most likely in western Europe as well.)
It is interesting that the western response to the crisis is to shut down the economy rather than do what's been done in the past - build temporary capacity to address acute illness. We all remember pictures from the Spanish flu epidemic of patients being housed in tent cities. Of course, back then it wasn't swiftly understood that large gatherings, like the infamous Philly war bond parade, were spreading the virus like wildfire.
I wonder whether a happy medium would have worked better. Like where we were a week ago, closing sporting events, parades, concerts and similar large gatherings, but not shutting down all "non-essential businesses" as Philadelphia has now done. The latter will grievously harm the economy, especially small businesses and the millions they employ, and will require economic triage of the budget-busting variety. I fear that we were in the sweet spot between caution and overreaction about a week ago, and now have crossed the line where the economic casualties may well eclipse the human ones.
Hopefully as COVID-19 victims recover we will begin to be able to roll out antibody serums in the next few weeks that can address acute infections and help get us to the place where we can doff the economic noose around our necks.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. So the president misspoke. Should have said anyone that "needs" a test (ie that is already showing symptoms) can get a test.
But I'm not sick and even if I get sick, I won't "need" a test. I will self-quarantine anyway.
@XenaLee
exactly!
And the testing will only tell you your condition at that point in time.... not where you will be tomorrow or next week.
And if you test negative, you will likely be more social so the point of testing is???
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Kentucky Derby Being Postponed Until September (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/kentucky-derby-postponed-due-to-coronavirus-september/)
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The election has been postponed by the Ohio Department of Health.
Official Election Day is now June 2nd.
This is a good thing.
Not for Biden. He wants it to proceed so he can win one more and become the presumptive nominee without the bother of Bernie.
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@XenaLee
exactly!
And the testing will only tell you your condition at that point in time.... not where you will be tomorrow or next week.
And if you test negative, you will likely be more social so the point of testing is???
Lol... well.... I don't know about that. I'm not all that social as it is. No, really (lolol).
Don't like crowds & events (not since I was in my 20's) and only have a small circle of friends, family and neighbors that I associate with. And coincidentally (not)... they are all "like minded". :laugh:
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Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDQw21ntR64#)
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Joe Biden and the Democrat Party’s Incestuous Relationship with China (https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2020/03/joe_biden_and_the_democrat_partys_incestuous_relationship_with_china.html)
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thebradfordfileâ„¢â€
@thebradfordfile
Obama, Bush, and Clinton gave China our jobs, our manufacturing, our wealth, our prosperity, and our safety.
Trump ran for president on getting it all back.
He is getting a second term to finish the job.
8:03 PM - 16 Mar 2020
https://twitter.com/thebradfordfile/stat...749194300219394
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@Bigun
When I was a boy, a neighbor of my grandparents had sheep. Somehow, the sheep managed to circle a farm building and were just following the butt of the one in front of ‘em. Crazy to see.
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Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDQw21ntR64#)
Great analogy....Herd mentality, and adding a touch of lemming action, .....you totally nailed it.
(https://i.makeagif.com/media/8-05-2015/MC_L7B.gif)
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But since you seem to want to put this off on Trump, the DOW today is up 17% since Trump took office. For someone who chooses to put it all on the President, a little praise is in order, don't you think?
@Hoodat
Update from 3 days ago.
February 12 the stock market closed at an all-time record high of 29,551.42
Yesterday it closed at 20,188.52.
That's a 31.7% drop in just over a month, and less than 500 points more than it was at 19,732 when Trump was inaugurated. The DOW today is up 2.3% since Trump took office. How much praise does 2.3% over 3 years deserve?
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@Hoodat
Update from 3 days ago.
February 12 the stock market closed at an all-time record high of 29,551.42
Yesterday it closed at 20,188.52.
That's a 31.7% drop in just over a month, and less than 500 points more than it was at 19,732 when Trump was inaugurated. The DOW today is up 2.3% since Trump took office. How much praise does 2.3% over 3 years deserve?
See the video I posted above.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. So the president misspoke. Should have said anyone that "needs" a test (ie that is already showing symptoms) can get a test.
But I'm not sick and even if I get sick, I won't "need" a test. I will self-quarantine anyway.
Stay healthy @XenaLee
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Stay healthy @XenaLee
I plan to.....
God willing. :laugh:
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thebradfordfile™†@thebradfordfile
Obama, Bush, and Clinton gave China our jobs, our manufacturing, our wealth, our prosperity, and our safety.
Trump ran for president on getting it all back.
He is getting a second term to finish the job.
8:03 PM - 16 Mar 2020
https://twitter.com/thebradfordfile/stat...749194300219394
Great Coronavirus update @Bigun
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Not for Biden. He wants it to proceed so he can win one more and become the presumptive nominee without the bother of Bernie.
The primary is still on....... just delayed, and well before the convention.
Actually...... Ohio's primary in the past has always been in May, so this delay puts it closer to the time we usually vote.
Biden will win Ohio in June..... he needn't worry. happy77
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@Bigun
When I was a boy, a neighbor of my grandparents had sheep. Somehow, the sheep managed to circle a farm building and were just following the butt of the one in front of ‘em. Crazy to see.
I kinda think the sheep/lemming thing ignores the science, medical knowledge and wisdom involved in the decisions being made for the public safety.
It's fine for people to get online and make fun of the millions of rational folks who are "social distancing" (not saying you are doing that Lando, but others clearly are), but in reality it is the measures being taken by many states that will slow the progress of this very aggressive disease that NO one wants to get.
Not even the mockers on this forum.......
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDQw21ntR64# (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDQw21ntR64#)
It is a particular love of mine to watch herding dogs work. :beer: :seeya:
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Great Coronavirus update @Bigun
Seriously.... *****rollingeyes*****
Let's keep this thread about the disease and stop the mockery of those of us who are taking it seriously as a medically documented threat to our health.
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Seriously.... *****rollingeyes*****
Let's keep this thread about the disease and stop the mockery of those of us who are taking it seriously as a medically documented threat to our health.
Yep! Let's keep on allowing the destruction of our economy over what amounts to very little!
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Yep! Let's keep on allowing the destruction of our economy over what amounts to very little!
Thanks, you saved me a (not very nice) post.
11 Trillion dollars just doesn't buy what it used to does it?
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Not even the mockers on this forum.......
I’m not one of them.
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Seriously.... *****rollingeyes*****
Let's keep this thread about the disease and stop the mockery of those of us who are taking it seriously as a medically documented threat to our health.
See the video I posted above.
*****rollingeyes*****
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[...] but in reality it is the measures being taken by many states that will slow the progress of this very aggressive disease that NO one wants to get.
No, it won't. We have never controlled a virus in the wild. Never.
Sure, folks that are particularly susceptible should get out of the way of it... Try the best you can. And at the individual level, that can be effective. But not within the general populace.
I hadn't been to town in over a month, having direct contact with no one but immediate family...
But my risk factor quadrupled yesterday, going into town to get supplies. All it takes is one infected person coughing on a cereal box, and I'm it.
And even over the course of 2 to 4 months, as the virus becomes apparent in my area (which it certainly will) I will have to go to town at least two more times, and those visits will be an order of magnitude higher in risk respectively.
And that doesn't count the sub classes which will remain out on the street, and remain active regardless of infection. It will not stop neighborhood kids getting together to play. Or being shuttled between households to be watched while mamma goes to town.
You will not stop it. nor 'slow it down'.
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Thanks, you saved me a (not very nice) post.
11 Trillion dollars just doesn't buy what it used to does it?
Ain't it something?
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I’m not one of them.
I am! We have truly become a nation of SHEEP!
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I’m not one of them.
I know that!
Again............ I have many friends in healthcare, physicians, nurses, hospital executives, and they are ALL taking this seriously.
People who mock the informed, thoughtful decisions of people who actually understand disease and how it spreads are just plain ignorant.
You, sir, are not.
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No, it won't. We have never controlled a virus in the wild. Never.
Sure, folks that are particularly susceptible should get out of the way of it... Try the best you can. And at the individual level, that can be effective. But not within the general populace.
I hadn't been to town in over a month, having direct contact with no one but immediate family...
But my risk factor quadrupled yesterday, going into town to get supplies. All it takes is one infected person coughing on a cereal box, and I'm it.
And even over the course of 2 to 4 months, as the virus becomes apparent in my area (which it certainly will) I will have to go to town at least two more times, and those visits will be an order of magnitude higher in risk respectively.
And that doesn't count the sub classes which will remain out on the street, and remain active regardless of infection. It will not stop neighborhood kids getting together to play. Or being shuttled between households to be watched while mamma goes to town.
You will not stop it. nor 'slow it down'.
I love ya, man, but I'm taking the word of thousands of medical experts and scientists over you.
We agree on many things....... most things, in fact........ but not on this one.
People who are in the field with nothing to gain by hysteria are making decisions to protect the public from a health disaster.
You know that I am not in any way......... in ANY way........... a "sheeple." But I am educated and I trust those who are medically educated.
Not someone who posts a hundred ***hair on fire on a post to make fun of people who are trying to protect their families and communities.
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Seriously.... *****rollingeyes*****
Let's keep this thread about the disease and stop the mockery of those of us who are taking it seriously as a medically documented threat to our health.
I agree. The data coming in suggests the elderly with existing health conditions stay at home and avoid crowds as much as possible. There are reports now coming in of a 5 year old testing positive and a newborn; the severity of symptoms are unknown and testing kits are now available for kids. So those cases may increase.
We just don't know. What has worked in other countries is social distancing; though 'herd immunity' is logical.
As far as the economy -- yes the stock market was moving upward, the economy was growing, unemployment was the lowest in history, etc. Could this virus have been bio-engineered to stagnate and harm our economy orchestrated by the Chinese or the liberals, or socialists? We just don't know.
I opt to be cautious and to prepare for lockdown. This will undeniably have a negative impact on most of us. That we do know. We also know that the liberals and DEMS are jumping for joy, hoping that this is what will finally take Trump down.
IMHO no ridicule should be aimed at those that elect to be cautious. As a country we need to come together ... Trump is leading this country on this based on the data and information that he has been given and what he's observed. Tough decisions have to be made. He's Trump. He'll be criticized regardless of what he does; damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.
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No, it won't. We have never controlled a virus in the wild. Never.
Sure, folks that are particularly susceptible should get out of the way of it... Try the best you can. And at the individual level, that can be effective. But not within the general populace.
I hadn't been to town in over a month, having direct contact with no one but immediate family...
But my risk factor quadrupled yesterday, going into town to get supplies. All it takes is one infected person coughing on a cereal box, and I'm it.
And even over the course of 2 to 4 months, as the virus becomes apparent in my area (which it certainly will) I will have to go to town at least two more times, and those visits will be an order of magnitude higher in risk respectively.
And that doesn't count the sub classes which will remain out on the street, and remain active regardless of infection. It will not stop neighborhood kids getting together to play. Or being shuttled between households to be watched while mamma goes to town.
You will not stop it. nor 'slow it down'.
I hope everyone is ready for this whole reaction to become an annual thing. Because if we accept the reasons offered for crashing the stock market, trashing the economy & forcing 'shelter in place' etc today there will be no justification not to do the same damn thing the next time another flu virus comes down the pike.
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People who are in the field with nothing to gain by hysteria are making decisions to protect the public from a health disaster.
I would suggest you reexamine that 'nothing to gain' part, especially as it interfaces government.
This is no different than flu with regard to any success in stopping it. And those vaunted minds in ivory towers have never stopped the flu.
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I love ya, man, but I'm taking the word of thousands of medical experts and scientists over you.
We agree on many things....... most things, in fact........ but not on this one.
People who are in the field with nothing to gain by hysteria are making decisions to protect the public from a health disaster.
You know that I am not in any way......... in ANY way........... a "sheeple." But I am educated and I trust those who are medically educated.
Not someone who posts a hundred ***hair on fire on a post to make fun of people who are trying to protect their families and communities.
More ***hair on fire ***hair on fire ***hair on fire ***hair on fire
(https://i.makeagif.com/media/8-05-2015/MC_L7B.gif) BS!
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I hope everyone is ready for this whole reaction to become an annual thing. Because if we accept the reasons offered for crashing the stock market, trashing the economy & forcing 'shelter in place' etc today there will be no justification not to do the same damn thing the next time another virus comes down the pike.
pointing-up pointing-up pointing-up
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I hope everyone is ready for this whole reaction to become an annual thing. Because if we accept the reasons offered for crashing the stock market, trashing the economy & forcing 'shelter in place' etc today there will be no justification not to do the same damn thing the next time another flu virus comes down the pike.
That's exactly right.
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I hope everyone is ready for this whole reaction to become an annual thing. Because if we accept the reasons offered for crashing the stock market, trashing the economy & forcing 'shelter in place' etc today there will be no justification not to do the same damn thing the next time another virus comes down the pike.
On the contrary—when this is over, we as a society need to put safeguards in place to ensure that this never happens again. If a virus can cause this kind of chaos infecting only 0.1% of the population, what kind of chaos is going to result when a real threat arises?
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I would suggest you reexamine that 'nothing to gain' part, especially as it interfaces government.
This is no different than flu with regard to any success in stopping it. And those vaunted minds in ivory towers have never stopped the flu.
I know that the government is a villain, but the medical professionals I am referring to literally have NOTHING to gain (other than saving hospital resources and keeping people safe).
One thing that I do understand, based on medical/healthcare knowledge and wisdom is that is indeed different than the flu.
Again....... always suspicious of government does not mean covering your eyes about the very real healthcare situation we are in.
Not a sheeple. Never a sheeple. Not a lemming. Never a lemming.
Just informed.
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On the contrary—when this is over, we as a society need to put safeguards in place to ensure that this never happens again. If a virus can cause this kind of chaos infecting only 0.1% of the population, what kind of chaos is going to result when a real threat arises?
Very true. That 0.1% to date has wiped out $11T in market cap (wealth) in just two weeks. And basically has disrupted the life every person in this country.
Allowing our infrastructure to get this vunerable is criminal IMO. We better damn well have proper contingency plans in place after this.
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I don't think the intent of any of this is to stop the virus, but rather to slow its spread so the hospital system can keep up. Unfortunately, modern medicine being what it is, we don't have an abundance of hospital beds in this country (and most likely in western Europe as well.)
It is interesting that the western response to the crisis is to shut down the economy rather than do what's been done in the past - build temporary capacity to address acute illness. We all remember pictures from the Spanish flu epidemic of patients being housed in tent cities. Of course, back then it wasn't swiftly understood that large gatherings, like the infamous Philly war bond parade, were spreading the virus like wildfire.
I wonder whether a happy medium would have worked better. Like where we were a week ago, closing sporting events, parades, concerts and similar large gatherings, but not shutting down all "non-essential businesses" as Philadelphia has now done. The latter will grievously harm the economy, especially small businesses and the millions they employ, and will require economic triage of the budget-busting variety. I fear that we were in the sweet spot between caution and overreaction about a week ago, and now have crossed the line where the economic casualties may well eclipse the human ones.
Hopefully as COVID-19 victims recover we will begin to be able to roll out antibody serums in the next few weeks that can address acute infections and help get us to the place where we can doff the economic noose around our necks.
Actually, not quite true.
It was understood, perhaps not by the average Joe, but certainly by doctors and health officials that large gatherings could spread influenza. Krusen was warned by other health officials to cancel the parade and ignored them.
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/philadelphia-threw-wwi-parade-gave-thousands-onlookers-flu-180970372/ (https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/philadelphia-threw-wwi-parade-gave-thousands-onlookers-flu-180970372/)
A political appointee, Krusen publicly denied that influenza was a threat, saying with assurance that the few military deaths were “old-fashioned influenza or grip.†He promised a campaign against coughing, spitting and sneezing, well aware that two days before the scheduled parade, the nation’s monthly draft call-up had been cancelled because army camps, including nearby Camp Dix in New Jersey and Camp Meade in Maryland, were overwhelmed by a conflagration of virulent influenza. Philadelphia’s parade poured gasoline on the flames.
Krusen’s decision to let the parade go on was based on two fears. He believed that a quarantine might cause a general panic. In fact, when city officials did close down public gatherings, the skeptical Philadelphia Inquirer chided the decision. “Talk of cheerful things instead of disease,†urged the Inquirer on October 5. “The authorities seem to be going daft. What are they trying to do, scare everybody to death?â€
After his initial failure to prevent the epidemic from exploding, Wilmer Krusen had attempted to address the crisis, largely in vain. He asked the U.S. army to stop drafting local doctors, appropriated funds to hire more medical workers, mobilized the sanitation department to clean the city, and perhaps most important, clear bodies from the street. It was too little too late. On a single October day, 759 people died in the city and more than 12,000 Philadelphians would die in a matter of weeks.
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Yep! Let's keep on allowing the destruction of our economy over what amounts to very little!
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It amounts to little unless YOU are the one who gets it and are fighting for your life.....just saying....
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Kevin Stone (a friend on FB) has HIS head screwed on very straight!
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Let's get real. So far, only about 1 person in 50,000 on the planet has been infected with Covid-19. Not dead, just infected. The US has one of the lower infection rates at <1 in 200,000. Again, verified infection, not deaths. And even if the actual infection rate is underreported by a factor of 100, that means that the infected would still amount to a scant 0.05%. As someone who has contracted really bad diseases (adenovirus caught in China in 2007, confirmed West Nile in 2003 from a mosquito bite in Dallas), I get that you can catch nasty stuff even with a lower infection rate than that projected for Covid-19. But I survived and am fine with the fact that I got the illnesses rather than shutting the economy down to everyone's detriment.
We are killing our nation, shutting down everything and losing production that cannot be recovered, with a death toll in this country amounting to 1 in 8,000,000. Again, let that sink in. We are losing our minds over a death toll a full month into a so-called "pandemic" (more like dem-panic) that is up there with the number of fatalities caused by wild pigs. This is a PANIC. Get a grip on yourself and get back to work or whatever it is that you normally do. I'm going to the store in hopes of being able to find the few items I need on the shelves rather than moldering in some hoarder's basement.
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Very true. That 0.1% to date has wiped out $11T in market cap (wealth) in just two weeks. And basically has disrupted the life every person in this country.
Suffering among seniors as the stock market tanks due to the panic is unquantifiable.
I feel like a financial genius for putting my mother's Roth IRA in a cash account 6 months ago.
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It amounts to little unless YOU are the one who gets it and are fighting for your life.....just saying....
Happens to people ALL the time and we don't shut the economy down over it! What makes this different?
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Tom Hanks, wife, released from hospital.
Kentucky Derby postponed, I believe postponed and not cancelled.
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Those dismissing the virus, I think just do not have the information.... I'm not knocking them, I don't want to see the US cremating bodies because there are so many deaths (and remember, those bodies are dangerous to handle so, they got to do that), I don't want to see hotels or other facilities taken control of to make room for those needing help, I don't want to see hazmat suits on my street, the list goes on.
Yeah, and if one gets sick, even young people, you are using more nurses, more doctors, they need to help those in most dire need, not those who get sick because they take this lightly.
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Again............ I have many friends in healthcare, physicians, nurses, hospital executives, and they are ALL taking this seriously.
People who mock the informed, thoughtful decisions of people who actually understand disease and how it spreads are just plain ignorant.
Where was the panic over 36 million flu illnesses, 370,000 hospitalizations and 22,000 deaths from the flu just in the US and just to Mar 7, 2020??? (https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm (https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm)) Didn't any of your friends take this seriously?
Briefers should be able to ask what's driving this unprecedented 24/7 drumbeat over the Wuhan flu virus without fear of personally threatening or offending you.
Take whatever precautions you deem prudent @musiclady ... but please don't stop others from trying to extinguish the panic even if you embrace it; and please don't stop people from asking questions about this "crisis" even if you will not.
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Happens to people ALL the time and we don't shut the economy down over it! What makes this different?
Personally.... I have a 90 yr old mom that I look after. If she gets it she's done. I take this virus VERY seriously....
I pray to the Good Lord that we are all over reacting.
I will apologize to all if in a few weeks this all blows over.....
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We are killing our nation, shutting down everything and losing production that cannot be recovered, with a death toll in this country amounting to 1 in 8,000,000. Again, let that sink in. We are losing our minds over a death toll a full month into a so-called "pandemic" (more like dem-panic) that is up there with the number of fatalities caused by wild pigs. This is a PANIC. Get a grip on yourself and get back to work or whatever it is that you normally do. I'm going to the store in hopes of being able to find the few items I need on the shelves rather than moldering in some hoarder's basement.
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Except the 'hoarder' thing. This is the prepper's time to shine. THEY WERE RIGHT.
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Where was the panic over 36 million flu illnesses, 370,000 hospitalizations and 22,000 deaths from the flu just in the US and just to Mar 7, 2020??? (https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm (https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm)) Didn't any of your friends take this seriously?
Briefers should be able to ask what's driving this unprecedented 24/7 drumbeat over the Wuhan flu virus without fear of personally threatening or offending you.
Take whatever precautions you deem prudent @musiclady ... but please don't stop others from trying to extinguish the panic even if you embrace it; and please don't stop people from asking questions about this "crisis" even if you will not.
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Where was the panic over 36 million flu illnesses, 370,000 hospitalizations and 22,000 deaths from the flu just in the US and just to Mar 7, 2020??? (https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm (https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm)) Didn't any of your friends take this seriously?
Briefers should be able to ask what's driving this unprecedented 24/7 drumbeat over the Wuhan flu virus without fear of personally threatening or offending you.
Dammit RiV, stop making sense. This is twice this week we have agreed... What are ppl gonna think?
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I would suggest you reexamine that 'nothing to gain' part, especially as it interfaces government.
This is no different than flu with regard to any success in stopping it. And those vaunted minds in ivory towers have never stopped the flu.
People should stop and realize that organized medicine is just as highly political as any other segment of society—and it leans decidedly to the left.
Remember that Obama expanded bureaucratic agencies—including CDC—by many factors. His holdovers are buried deep and have personal agendas, as we witnessed with the intelligence community, whose operatives seemed not to care one bit the harm the were causing to national security by spreading lies and misinformation about Trump and Russia.
National security or public health, subterfuge in either area can result in American deaths just the same.
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Personally.... I have a 90 yr old mom that I look after. If she gets it she's done. I take this virus VERY seriously....
I pray to the Good Lord that we are all over reacting.
You are right... My dad is 89 and my mom is 88 and other than running errands to keep them out of harms way, there is not much I can do.
I also have an 11 year old grandson living with me and his school is closed and needs entertainment so if I let this get me down the it has an impact on him so I gotta stay up beat...
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I don't think the intent of any of this is to stop the virus, but rather to slow its spread so the hospital system can keep up.
Exactly, well, this first line is right on the mark, imho.
It doesn't take much research to see, even if people are saying some age groups are much less affected, they are still taking up precious resources should they get sick.
Odds are some person here will get it, it just seems the chances are so.
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Personally.... I have a 90 yr old mom that I look after. If she gets it she's done. I take this virus VERY seriously....
I pray to the Good Lord that we are all over reacting.
I will apologize to all if in a few weeks this all blows over.....
I'm very sorry that you find yourself in that situation @mrpotatohead and you don't need to apologize for anything. I do however stand by everything I've said here previously!
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People should stop and realize that organized medicine is just as highly political as any other segment of society—and it leans decidedly to the left.
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National security or public health, subterfuge in either area can result in American deaths just the same.
That's right
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Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
Failing Michigan Governor must work harder and be much more proactive. We are pushing her to get the job done. I stand with Michigan!
8:27 AM · Mar 17, 2020
Pretty bold words from the President who finally admitted Covid-19 wasn't under control yesterday.
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Kevin Stone (a friend on FB) has HIS head screwed on very straight!
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Let's get real. So far, only about 1 person in 50,000 on the planet has been infected with Covid-19. Not dead, just infected. The US has one of the lower infection rates at <1 in 200,000. Again, verified infection, not deaths. And even if the actual infection rate is underreported by a factor of 100, that means that the infected would still amount to a scant 0.05%. As someone who has contracted really bad diseases (adenovirus caught in China in 2007, confirmed West Nile in 2003 from a mosquito bite in Dallas), I get that you can catch nasty stuff even with a lower infection rate than that projected for Covid-19. But I survived and am fine with the fact that I got the illnesses rather than shutting the economy down to everyone's detriment.
We are killing our nation, shutting down everything and losing production that cannot be recovered, with a death toll in this country amounting to 1 in 8,000,000. Again, let that sink in. We are losing our minds over a death toll a full month into a so-called "pandemic" (more like dem-panic) that is up there with the number of fatalities caused by wild pigs. This is a PANIC. Get a grip on yourself and get back to work or whatever it is that you normally do. I'm going to the store in hopes of being able to find the few items I need on the shelves rather than moldering in some hoarder's basement.
Great post @Bigun
93% of the cases worldwide are mild. Too bad that critical thinking has gone by the wayside. There ae no cases in my area. I'm living my life as usual, going to the gym, to the vet. As a registered nurse, I have full faith in my ability to minimize my risk. The panic is far worse than the virus and is causing damage to the economy from which many will never recover. Then everyone will turn to the almighty and all-powerful national government.
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Wuhan flu:
Yes, Coronavirus Is Worse Than the Flu
https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/yes-coronavirus-is-worse-than-the-flu/ (https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/yes-coronavirus-is-worse-than-the-flu/)
Deadlier than most strains of the flu, would kill many more, is much more contagious. That part's pretty easy.
Also, note, while some are suspicious of the US government,
Maybe, it's not for sure, but maybe, the government that is being left off the hook are the CHICOMS.
So, this preachiness, The Government is doing this and that, doesn't phase me at all. The Chinese skate on this, while Chinese in numbers, try to come across our southern border, border patrol men are more at risk, etc. etc. etc.
Believe what you want, everyone has rationales.
Young people may not die, they still use precious resources, nurses, doctors, beds, defibrillators or respirators, again, etc. etc.
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I go to a rather large church. Numerous doctors that also attend are parroting what the CDC is saying. These are knowledgeable individuals, some of who I know personally who are very very concerned about what's coming. I've never seen them like this. If the people in the know are freaked out over this then...……….
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People should stop and realize that organized medicine is just as highly political as any other segment of society—and it leans decidedly to the left.
Remember that Obama expanded bureaucratic agencies—including CDC—by many factors. His holdovers are buried deep and have personal agendas, as we witnessed with the intelligence community, whose operatives seemed not to care one bit the harm the were causing to national security by spreading lies and misinformation about Trump and Russia.
National security or public health, subterfuge in either area can result in American deaths just the same.
Of course the medical community is focused on this pandemic. Epidemiology, healthcare, etc is their world. Thank goodness.
Its up to us to take what they tell us together with all other related information.
Right now its ALL their input, unleavened with perspective.
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Great post @Bigun
93% of the cases worldwide are mild. Too bad that critical thinking has gone by the wayside. There ae no cases in my area. I'm living my life as usual, going to the gym, to the vet. As a registered nurse, I have full faith in my ability to minimize my risk. The panic is far worse than the virus and is causing damage to the economy from which many will never recover. Then everyone will turn to the almighty and all-powerful national government.
I am almost 72 years old @austingirl and have refused to alter my routine on iota over this and will not! My daughter is a trama certified RN and my wife spent her entire lifetime in healthcare. We do what we reasonably can to avoid getting sick but I'll be damned if I let a virus rule my life!
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Happens to people ALL the time and we don't shut the economy down over it! What makes this different?
I blame that Trump fella who declared it a National Emergency and keeps getting on the TV talking about it.
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I'm not going to let these guys off the hook.
(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/a1/d0/f3/a1d0f3b30d5d6b426811ad0300213c30.jpg)
It started somewhere, I know that.
It might not be natural, I don't know that.
Have your views, others have theirs as well.
Just remember, if one is smug about this, "ha ha, look at these others", consider this as well.
(http://www.crestock.com/uploads/blog/2009/china-propaganda/1969-The-invincible-thought-of-Mao-Zedong.jpg)
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I blame that Trump fella who declared it a National Emergency and keeps getting on the TV talking about it.
Don't ask me why I clicked on your post because I have you on ignore.... Can't you just let it go... Can you imagine the weight on the President's shoulders right now. Cut the guy some slack. He needs our prayers not our ridicule.
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Dammit RiV, stop making sense. This is twice this week we have agreed... What are ppl gonna think?
Well, I don't agree with either of you.
I know that the AMA is far left leaning, but I'm going to repeat that the people I am citing are physicians and nurses and health care executives who are friends and acquaintances who are very conservative people who are taking this seriously.
There is no panic in my soul. I am not defending panic. But I AM accepting wisdom from people who know.
This is NOT just "the flu."
And it's pretty obvious that if people don't gather in large groups the spread of the virus will SLOW.
THAT is the goal. Not to make it go away, but to slow it so that medical resources are available for everyone who NEEDS them.
This is what did NOT happen in Italy and because of measures taken will most likely be true in America.
Now....... would it be possible for this thread to be actually about updates on COVID-19 not mockery.
(And no, RIV, I am not personally offended by the mockers. I just want this thread to be about information and not stupid gifs of lemmings...... which NONE of us is).
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I am almost 72 years old @austingirl and have refused to alter my routine on iota over this and will not! My daughter is a trama certified RN and my wife spent her entire lifetime in healthcare. We do what we reasonably can to avoid getting sick but I'll be damned if I let a virus rule my life!
I wouldn't let it rule mine, either, but my county has made the decision for me, @Bigun. 'Shelter in place', no restaurants, no bars, no shows, no 'unnecessary' walks, 'essential' businesses only etc for three weeks.
Run in circles scream and shout.
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I am almost 72 years old @austingirl and have refused to alter my routine on iota over this and will not! My daughter is a trama certified RN and my wife spent her entire lifetime in healthcare. We do what we reasonably can to avoid getting sick but I'll be damned if I let a virus rule my life!
At our age.... Can you put a price tag on basically losing 6 months of enjoyable life?
I am a well, responsible self quarantining, >60 y.o. (age risk). But I tell ya..... If it becomes evident that this was overblown? I don't think you will see the level of anger that has been seen in many years.
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Don't ask me why I clicked on your post because I have you on ignore.... Can't you just let it go... Can you imagine the weight on the President's shoulders right now. Cut the guy some slack. He needs our prayers not our ridicule.
It was coming no matter what he did. Hopefully he is better informed by the people around him than the rest of us. There was going to be major destruction in its wake period. The only question is what is the path of least destruction and what is the balance between people living and dying verses economic concerns.
I will say China places far less value on human life than we do. And they ended up taking action that caused major economic damage to themselves in spite of that. Food for thought.
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I wouldn't let it rule mine, either, but my county has made the decision for me, @Bigun. 'Shelter in place', no restaurants, no bars, no shows, no 'unnecessary' walks, 'essential' businesses only etc for three weeks.
Run in circles scream and shout.
You're in California... So far that hasn't happened in AZ next door.
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At our age.... Can you put a price tag on basically losing 6 months of enjoyable life?
I am a well, responsible self quarantining, >60 y.o. (age risk). But I tell ya..... If it becomes evident that this was overblown? I don't think you will see the level of anger that has been seen in many years.
The problem is that we won't ever know if it was "overblown" because if the social restrictions actually work (as they will for sure, at least in part), then there will be no future crisis because it will have been averted by those social restrictions.
IOW, if the minimizing of large group contact and protection of the elderly in nursing homes and hospitals works, the deaths will be minimized, and we'll never know for sure that it worked.
Except that it most likely did.....
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, no 'unnecessary' walks,
Are you kidding? Even if you are 100's of feet away from others? Sounds more like "Maritial Law" than "Shelter in Place"
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Are you kidding? Even if you are 100's of feet away from others? Sounds more like "Maritial Law" than "Shelter in Place"
Verbatim from the announcement. This 'crisis' looks different from where I sit.
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Are you kidding? Even if you are 100's of feet away from others? Sounds more like "Maritial Law" than "Shelter in Place"
They are pushing the envelope to see just how much they can get away with.
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Well, I don't agree with either of you.
I know that the AMA is far left leaning, but I'm going to repeat that the people I am citing are physicians and nurses and health care executives who are friends and acquaintances who are very conservative people who are taking this seriously.
There is no panic in my soul. I am not defending panic. But I AM accepting wisdom from people who know.
This is NOT just "the flu."
And it's pretty obvious that if people don't gather in large groups the spread of the virus will SLOW.
THAT is the goal. Not to make it go away, but to slow it so that medical resources are available for everyone who NEEDS them.
This is what did NOT happen in Italy and because of measures taken will most likely be true in America.
Now....... would it be possible for this thread to be actually about updates on COVID-19 not mockery.
(And no, RIV, I am not personally offended by the mockers. I just want this thread to be about information and not stupid gifs of lemmings...... which NONE of us is).
Good post and again, some rant at the gubmint', I'm a bad a__ libertairian, independent and just mocking and laughing at others.
Yeah, there's a gubmint that has a lot of responsibility, possibly hiding it, that's the gubmint I'm outraged about. Spreading it to a whole lot of the world, things Senator Tom Cotton is talking about.
Different strokes for different folks.
But don't think anyone's position is more enlightened, more knowledgeable than others.
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At our age.... Can you put a price tag on basically losing 6 months of enjoyable life?
Well that ain't EXACTLY right. Fishin season is comin on... And down there by you there's bullfrog giggin, and many other such enjoyable passtimes.
Maybe with all this free time, all y'all can finally get a handle on them wild pigs...
That'd be fun.
I am hoping to go out and sit in a blind this weekend with a buddy of mine, goin after coyotes that are messin with his calves, or will be soon... I can go coyote hunting and trapping for a long, long time without getting bored.
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Verbatim from the announcement. This 'crisis' looks different from where I sit.
California has endless restrictions on all sorts of things. The people there are being slow boiled... Guns, ammo, what bathroom to use, if you can asked if they've been convicted of bank robber before you hire them to work at your bank, permits to change your water heater, being expelled from school, you name it...
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Verbatim from the announcement. This 'crisis' looks different from where I sit.
Hang in there man. If i didn't have acreage to enjoy and roam around in, I would go bat shit crazy.
Hope the Gubmit has a plan for all the upcoming Cabin Fever events.
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True. i used to find it pretty easily at Walgreens, but it has appeared that general public has caught on the home made hand sanitizer gig.
That's partly it. Also, 91% IPA is flammable. Alcohol fires are really dangerous because the flames tend to be invisible.
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The problem is that we won't ever know if it was "overblown" because if the social restrictions actually work (as they will for sure, at least in part), then there will be no future crisis because it will have been averted by those social restrictions.
IOW, if the minimizing of large group contact and protection of the elderly in nursing homes and hospitals works, the deaths will be minimized, and we'll never know for sure that it worked.
Except that it most likely did.....
We should have a pretty good idea if it works or not simply by comparing results with other countries assuming those other countries that don't take these actions truthfully report the results. China and Iran for example, who knows what the truth is.
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You're in California... So far that hasn't happened in AZ next door.
We have to drive to California today. Fortunately it's Needles, so it's not like jumping into the deep end. :crossed:
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That's partly it. Also, 91% IPA is flammable. Alcohol fires are really dangerous because the flames tend to be invisible.
Just go to the liquor store and buy a liter of Everclear.
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The problem is that we won't ever know if it was "overblown" because if the social restrictions actually work (as they will for sure, at least in part), then there will be no future crisis because it will have been averted by those social restrictions.
IOW, if the minimizing of large group contact and protection of the elderly in nursing homes and hospitals works, the deaths will be minimized, and we'll never know for sure that it worked.
Except that it most likely did.....
That is also not true.The numbers they are using are inflated on their face.
Garbage in, garbage out.
...So when the hundreds of thousands or millions of deaths do not occur, the reason will be because the virus ran it's course (just like the flu) and petered out, as it predictably will.
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Hang in there man. If i didn't have acreage to enjoy and roam around in, I would go bat shit crazy.
Hope the Gubmit has a plan for all the upcoming Cabin Fever events.
Wife and I are stuck in a 600 sq ft 'beach cottage' while we wait for our new house to close escrow, which was suppose to happen next week. 'Cept there's a chance the recorders office will close today as well. 8888crybaby
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That is also not true.The numbers they are using are inflated on their face.
Garbage in, garbage out.
...So when the hundreds of thousands or millions of deaths do not occur, the reason will be because the virus ran it's course (just like the flu) and petered out, as it predictably will.
Dr. Fauci’s Mysterious Math – The Quantifying Today Reflects Where We Were A Week Ago – Today Cannot Be Quantified Until Next Week… (https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/03/17/dr-faucis-mysterious-math-the-quantifying-today-reflects-where-we-were-a-week-ago-today-cannot-be-quantified-until-next-week/)
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That is also not true.The numbers they are using are inflated on their face.
Garbage in, garbage out.
...So when the hundreds of thousands or millions of deaths do not occur, the reason will be because the virus ran it's course (just like the flu) and petered out, as it predictably will.
How many deaths are enough?
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Don't ask me why I clicked on your post because I have you on ignore....
To confirm what you already decided about me.
Can't you just let it go...
You decide to put me on ignore. You angrily post an announcement to me and the forum. You sneak a peek. You post that to me and the forum, and then you ask "Can't you just let it go?" You'll notice I don't have to ask you that.
Can you imagine the weight on the President's shoulders right now.
https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/virus-missteps-trump-declares-i-don-t-take-responsibility-all-n1160236 (https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/virus-missteps-trump-declares-i-don-t-take-responsibility-all-n1160236) Tell me all about it.
Cut the guy some slack. He needs our prayers not our ridicule.
He needs to resign. He is not fit to lead.
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Just go to the liquor store and buy a liter of Everclear.
I got one when we stocked the Castle Bar. :smokin:
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At our age.... Can you put a price tag on basically losing 6 months of enjoyable life?
I am a well, responsible self quarantining, >60 y.o. (age risk). But I tell ya..... If it becomes evident that this was overblown? I don't think you will see the level of anger that has been seen in many years.
I don't know how it can be measured.
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That is also not true.The numbers they are using are inflated on their face.
Garbage in, garbage out.
...So when the hundreds of thousands or millions of deaths do not occur, the reason will be because the virus ran it's course (just like the flu) and petered out, as it predictably will.
Are you actually on the beach @skeeter
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That is also not true.The numbers they are using are inflated on their face.
Garbage in, garbage out.
...So when the hundreds of thousands or millions of deaths do not occur, the reason will be because the virus ran it's course (just like the flu) and petered out, as it predictably will.
I'm reading a translated interview with Dr Zhong Nanshan, who discovered SARs in 2003 - he says SARs was far worse in terms of mortality, and since Coronavirus was determined to be similar the reaction to Coronavirus in China was over the top.
However, he says that due to oxygen therapies, etc developed in response to SARs this virus was resolved with a relatively low body count. For what its worth.
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Well, I don't know what it is and what it isn't but I sure can't change what is happening. Sound like surrender? It isn't. I have a couple hundred people who work under me. Many, if not most (maybe all), are fearful. I am trying to provide leadership and the only way I know is to be present, be visible. As for me personally, I am 66 years old with a slightly compromised respiratory system yet I am still here, tending the "herd" as I always do. I'm keeping them away from the cliff.
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Dr. Fauci’s Mysterious Math – The Quantifying Today Reflects Where We Were A Week Ago – Today Cannot Be Quantified Until Next Week… (https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/03/17/dr-faucis-mysterious-math-the-quantifying-today-reflects-where-we-were-a-week-ago-today-cannot-be-quantified-until-next-week/)
I saw that Presser yesterday, and Fauci's remark still has my head spinning. 888mouth
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How many deaths are enough?
For everyone who dies ten will be bankrupted if we continue this idiocy!
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That is also not true.The numbers they are using are inflated on their face.
Garbage in, garbage out.
...So when the hundreds of thousands or millions of deaths do not occur, the reason will be because the virus ran it's course (just like the flu) and petered out, as it predictably will.
You are citing extremist’s numbers, not factual data about the numbers of people who have died.
If less people are exposed, less people will become sick.
Yes, the virus will peter out. Yes, this will all pass.
And the economy will recover from these short term measures taken.
American ingenuity and resourcefulness are not dead.
Perhaps we will come out of this a stronger nation, and perhaps the Church in America will revive because its people realize what’s really important.....
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Again, we have to ask ourselves, why now? We had outbreaks before, some far deadlier, with nothing near this response. But, what’s different today?
If the word “November election†didn’t spring immediately to mind, you maybe suffering a touch of white coat syndrome and not not using your head. In politics there are no coincidences. Keep in mind our media is nearly one hundred percent political Left. Without the DNC having to lift a finger, their will is done.
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Well, I don't know what it is and what it isn't but I sure can't change what is happening. Sound like surrender? It isn't. I have a couple hundred people who work under me. Many, if not most (maybe all), are fearful. I am trying to provide leadership and the only way I know is to be present, be visible. As for me personally, I am 66 years old with a slightly compromised respiratory system yet I am still here, tending the "herd" as I always do. I'm keeping them away from the cliff.
888high58888
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How many deaths are enough?
Doesn't matter. Those deaths are already preordained.
I know that sounds awful, but we are speaking statistically.
And facts don't care about your feelings.
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For everyone who dies ten will be bankrupted if we continue this idiocy!
That wasn't an answer.
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Are you actually on the beach @skeeter
We're a couple of blocks off the beach in a place called Seabright, around the corner from Santa Cruz's Boardwalk. Nice place now but the beach traffic here in the warmer months is horrific.
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Again, we have to ask ourselves, why now? We had outbreaks before, some far deadlier, with nothing near this response. But, what’s different today?
If the word “November election†didn’t spring immediately to mind, you maybe suffering a touch of white coat syndrome and not not using your head. In politics there are no coincidences. Keep in mind our media is nearly one hundred percent political Left. Without the DNC having to lift a finger, their will is done.
:yowsa: Well said @aligncare
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For everyone who dies ten will be bankrupted if we continue this idiocy!
You are an incredibly reactionary pessimist if you believe that.
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Doesn't matter. Those deaths are already preordained.
I know that sounds awful, but we are speaking statistically.
And facts don't care about your feelings.
What?
We're all going to die. Period. So just let nature run its course unabated then is what your saying... Sucks to be you if you die because others couldn't be bothered.
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We should have a pretty good idea if it works or not simply by comparing results with other countries assuming those other countries that don't take these actions truthfully report the results. China and Iran for example, who knows what the truth is.
Look to Italy for the overwhelming of the medical capability in a modern society. They do not have the capacity to treat all that need it already.
Italy hit by 368 new coronavirus deaths, hospitals in crisis
https://www.euractiv.com/section/coronavirus/news/italy-hit-by-368-new-coronavirus-deaths-hospitals-in-crisis/ (https://www.euractiv.com/section/coronavirus/news/italy-hit-by-368-new-coronavirus-deaths-hospitals-in-crisis/)
taly on Sunday (15 March) reported a one-day record death toll and leaders warned of a bed and artificial respirator shortage in the European epicentre of the coronavirus pandemic.
Official data showed the number of fatalities shooting up by 368 to 1,809 — more than half of all the cases recorded outside China....
(https://www.ft.com/__origami/service/image/v2/images/raw/http%3A%2F%2Fcom.ft.imagepublish.upp-prod-us.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fb3196ff2-67c3-11ea-800d-da70cff6e4d3?fit=scale-down&quality=highest&source=next&width=700)
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Republican congressman calls on Trump to make China forgive US debt over coronavirus crisis
by Emma Colton | March 17, 2020 10:07 AM
Rep. Jim Banks thinks China needs to pay the United States for the spread of the coronavirus.
The Indiana Republican told Fox News’s Tucker Carlson Monday night that the U.S. needs to hold China accountable for the crisis the coronavirus has caused stateside, which could including making the communist country forgive a chunk of America's debt.
Carlson said during the segment: “The coronavirus is a Chinese virus, no matter what they are telling you. It originated in China and was able to spread to the rest of the world because the Chinese government hid the truth of what was happening early in the outbreak from the rest of the world. They lied about it, and that caused the terrible consequences we are watching now. You can blame China for that.â€
Read more at: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/republican-congressman-calls-on-trump-to-make-china-forgive-us-debt-over-coronavirus-crisis (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/republican-congressman-calls-on-trump-to-make-china-forgive-us-debt-over-coronavirus-crisis)
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Good to see someone go after the culpable party, what a joke, some conspiracy that the US government is doing this to control the population.
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That wasn't an answer.
OK! Try this one on! We are ALL going to die! Every last one of us and there is not one thing we can do to prevent it!
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For everyone who dies ten will be bankrupted if we continue this idiocy!
More like 500.
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He needs to resign. He is not fit to lead.
Yeah...no. It's not going to happen, and is likely to be reelected despite all his shortcomings (and there are plenty). Resigning under fire is not something I would expect Donald Trump to do. It's not rational to expect he would.
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More like 500.
You are more than likely right @Hoodat
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I saw that Presser yesterday, and Fauci's remark still has my head spinning. 888mouth
When Fauci speaks I'm reminded of this character from the original Independence Day .... (https://s.yimg.com/uu/api/res/1.2/bMqjAulz6iz9Hn8eQEpVnw--~B/aD02NzU7dz0xMDEyO3NtPTE7YXBwaWQ9eXRhY2h5b24-/https://s.yimg.com/cd/resizer/2.0/FIT_TO_WIDTH-w1012/60f4aede33a585ea4d7f4fcc21e84d52d7799e71.jpg)
Perhaps it's time to return Fauci to the back room ... without WIFI. :laugh:
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OK! Try this one on! We are ALL going to die! Every last one of us and there is not one thing we can do to prevent it!
Memento Mori
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OK! Try this one on! We are ALL going to die! Every last one of us and there is not one thing we can do to prevent it!
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51vSDOIXJxL._SX299_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg)
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Continued unabated, 1 out of every 2 could be infected per an actuarial study computed, the computation was limited by the fact, that it changes from Winter to Spring to Summer. Yeah, just ignore it. Sharp.
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Official data showed the number of fatalities shooting up by 368 to 1,809 — more than half of all the cases recorded outside China....
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Instead of computing a linear equation midway through the process, you should measure the current slope (i.e. derivative) and note the change of that. China's curve is leveling out (i.e. the slope is getting smaller) which indicated the disease spread is slowing down considerably. Expect the same trend in Italy, the US, etc. China got a head start, so their curve is more representative of the disease path, while Italy, the US, etc. have data sets that are incomplete.
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What?
We're all going to die. Period. So just let nature run its course unabated then is what your saying... Sucks to be you if you die because others couldn't be bothered.
All those hospitals need to close down and Docs and nurses resign and medical research halt.
No point for any of it. *****rollingeyes*****
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OK! Try this one on! We are ALL going to die! Every last one of us and there is not one thing we can do to prevent it!
Wow, if I lived during the days of the Bubonic (Black) plague. Outstanding observation.
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When Fauci speaks I'm reminded of this character from the original Independence Day .... (https://s.yimg.com/uu/api/res/1.2/bMqjAulz6iz9Hn8eQEpVnw--~B/aD02NzU7dz0xMDEyO3NtPTE7YXBwaWQ9eXRhY2h5b24-/https://s.yimg.com/cd/resizer/2.0/FIT_TO_WIDTH-w1012/60f4aede33a585ea4d7f4fcc21e84d52d7799e71.jpg)
Perhaps it's time to return Fauci to the back room ... without WIFI. :laugh:
I loved the Brent Spiner character in Independence Day! "They don't let us out much." "Uh, yeah, I can see that."
Fauci reminds me of that line from Donald Rumsfeld..."We know what we know, and we don't know what we don't know." Something like that, going from memory.
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Again, we have to ask ourselves, why now? We had outbreaks before, some far deadlier, with nothing near this response. But, what’s different today?
If the word “November election†didn’t spring immediately to mind, you maybe suffering a touch of white coat syndrome and not not using your head. In politics there are no coincidences. Keep in mind our media is nearly one hundred percent political Left. Without the DNC having to lift a finger, their will is done.
You have to be blind to look at the situation in places like Italy and still believe this is just US politics.
Special Report: 'All is well'. In Italy, triage and lies for virus patients
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-ethics-speci/special-report-all-is-well-in-italy-triage-and-lies-for-virus-patients-idUSKBN2133KG (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-ethics-speci/special-report-all-is-well-in-italy-triage-and-lies-for-virus-patients-idUSKBN2133KG)
...Italy’s Association of Anaesthesia, Analgesia, Resuscitation and Intensive Care published new guidelines on March 7. Because it expects a “huge imbalance†between the clinical needs of the population and intensive care resources over the next few weeks, it told those on the front lines: Give priority to those with “greater life expectancy.â€...
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Presser's on, first Trump, not Pence. I think they've done a great job. Bumps in the road? Sure, you will have some of that.
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:yowsa:
Good to see someone go after the culpable party, what a joke, some conspiracy that the US government is doing this to control the population.
You realize that this would constitute default on bond debt that is considered a quasi reference currency? I hate the Chicoms as much as anyone else, but an action like this would bring the entire world's financial systems crashing down. Geez!!!!!!
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IMHO this whole episode has been manufactured in order to:
1. Slow down Trump' momentum toward re-election
2. Get the attempted coup out of the news cycle
3. Test to see just how far the envelope can be pushed WRT stampeding the heard.
And, so far as I can tell, they have been hugely successful at all three. Look for much more of the same.
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I’m so stupid. Yesterday I noticed I was running low in Tylenol. I put some in my Amazon shopping cart and fell asleep. Forgot all about it.
Today the media us saying take Tylenol for a fever. Do not take Advil or Aleve. So I go back to Amazon, and they’re completely out of Tylenol unless you want to pay $60 for a bottle that was $5 yesterday. But Advil and Aleve are plentiful.
I see a repeat of the guy in Tennessee that got 17,000 bottles of hand sanitizer.
You know what? Hang in there. I’m getting sad with this self isolation but it’s all good.
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Wow, if I lived during the days of the Bubonic (Black) plague. Outstanding observation.
You just need to go back to 1918 and see what happens when no one does anything to stop a plague......... wasn’t that “just the flu??â€
Btw, I haven’t thanked you for all the work you’re doing to keep these threads going.
So thanks!
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OK! Try this one on! We are ALL going to die! Every last one of us and there is not one thing we can do to prevent it!
True, but most of work to postpone it a reasonable amount of time. Or have you quit eating?
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I loved the Brent Spiner character in Independence Day! "They don't let us out much." "Uh, yeah, I can see that."
Fauci reminds me of that line from Donald Rumsfeld..."We know what we know, and we don't know what we don't know." Something like that, going from memory.
I’ve only seen Brent Spiner as Data. He’s cool and he likes cats.
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Instead of computing a linear equation midway through the process, you should measure the current slope (i.e. derivative) and note the change of that. China's curve is leveling out (i.e. the slope is getting smaller) which indicated the disease spread is slowing down considerably. Expect the same trend in Italy, the US, etc. China got a head start, so their curve is more representative of the disease path, while Italy, the US, etc. have data sets that are incomplete.
Note those graphs are not starting from the same calendar date, but from the point of 10 reported cases of infection.
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We should be going what Japan and S. Korea are doing. We are not Italy yet put appear to be follow the same trajectory. Not good. And I do not believe the numbers (or anything) coming out of China.
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You are citing extremist’s numbers, not factual data about the numbers of people who have died.
No I am not - the predicted numbers of deaths across the course of this, according to worst case, is 200k to 1.7m
But that ain't even it.
They are using confirmed cases, which are cases tested and proved, to come up with the mortality rate. But for every confirmed case there are a myriad of cases that never will be tested or confirmed. Because testing is only done when symptoms present and warrant the testing.
to wit:
Say 100 confirmed cases with 1 death in a given region.
but there are 900 cases that never get logged, because the flu like symptoms were mild enough that the infected never went in to be tested...
The mortality rate is defined as 1 in 100.
But the truth is 1 in 1000.
That is a far cry less virulent and a far more palatable mortality rate... incidentally that rate will likely track with common virus pandemics... Like flu.
If less people are exposed, less people will become sick.
At the personal level that is true - you have a better chance (still a matter of chance). But not in the aggregate. Again, we have never controlled a virus in the wild. NEVER. It will run it's course.
And the economy will recover from these short term measures taken.
I take it you are not a small-businessman. When I was operating, I guarantee you, my businesses could not sustain a 60 day shut-down. Certainly not 90 days. ANY shut=down would have been flirting with bankruptcy. And I know I am not alone in that.
Shutting it off will be devastating on many many levels.
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True, but most of work to postpone it a reasonable amount of time. Or have you quit eating?
No I haven't and don't plan to. I also take reasonable precautions to avoid getting sick but I was doing that before anyone ever heard of the Wuhan Coronavirus.
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Look to Italy for the overwhelming of the medical capability in a modern society. They do not have the capacity to treat all that need it already.
Italy hit by 368 new coronavirus deaths, hospitals in crisis
https://www.euractiv.com/section/coronavirus/news/italy-hit-by-368-new-coronavirus-deaths-hospitals-in-crisis/ (https://www.euractiv.com/section/coronavirus/news/italy-hit-by-368-new-coronavirus-deaths-hospitals-in-crisis/)
taly on Sunday (15 March) reported a one-day record death toll and leaders warned of a bed and artificial respirator shortage in the European epicentre of the coronavirus pandemic.
Official data showed the number of fatalities shooting up by 368 to 1,809 — more than half of all the cases recorded outside China....
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Ok...extrapolate that graph out and tell me how long I'm going to be cooped up in the house. happy77
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Instead of computing a linear equation midway through the process, you should measure the current slope (i.e. derivative) and note the change of that. China's curve is leveling out (i.e. the slope is getting smaller) which indicated the disease spread is slowing down considerably. Expect the same trend in Italy, the US, etc. China got a head start, so their curve is more representative of the disease path, while Italy, the US, etc. have data sets that are incomplete.
You are ignoring the action taken to level that out - if the numbers are vaguely accurate.
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Ok...extrapolated that graph out and tell me how long I'm going to be cooped up in the house. happy77
Way too long.
Our client has started shutting down projects for Mont Belvieu Gas Liquids. Not a good sign. I don't see the demand going down for plastics and and others that we are feedstock for providing.
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No I haven't and don't plan to. I also take reasonable precautions to avoid getting sick but I was doing that before anyone ever heard of the Wuhan Coronavirus.
And what about others? No concern?
Nursing homes and hospitals should open their doors back to visitors?
I mean, we ARE all going to die, right?? :shrug:
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What?
We're all going to die. Period. So just let nature run its course unabated then is what your saying... Sucks to be you if you die because others couldn't be bothered.
No. Understand:
We have never controlled a virus in the wild. Never.
We have had flu vaccines for a very long time - they do nothing to impact the overall epidemic, and never have.
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I’ve only seen Brent Spiner as Data. He’s cool and he likes cats.
I named a kitty after his Ginger Tabby, "Spot."
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Bookmark... yall keep it up... at least if I am gonna be home bound, ya give me something to read.
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More like 500.
More than that, shutting it off STOPS our ability to innovate. STOPS our ability to respond. It creates a finite pie. In that, MORE will die.
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No I am not - the predicted numbers of deaths across the course of this, according to worst case, is 200k to 1.7m
But that ain't even it.
They are using confirmed cases, which are cases tested and proved, to come up with the mortality rate. But for every confirmed case there are a myriad of cases that never will be tested or confirmed. Because testing is only done when symptoms present and warrant the testing.
to wit:
Say 100 confirmed cases with 1 death in a given region.
but there are 900 cases that never get logged, because the flu like symptoms were mild enough that the infected never went in to be tested...
The mortality rate is defined as 1 in 100.
But the truth is 1 in 1000.
That is a far cry less virulent and a far more palatable mortality rate... incidentally that rate will likely track with common virus pandemics... Like flu.
At the personal level that is true - you have a better chance (still a matter of chance). But not in the aggregate. Again, we have never controlled a virus in the wild. NEVER. It will run it's course.
I take it you are not a small-businessman. When I was operating, I guarantee you, my businesses could not sustain a 60 day shut-down. Certainly not 90 days. ANY shut=down would have been flirting with bankruptcy. And I know I am not alone in that.
Shutting it off will be devastating on many many levels.
You keep on demanding that this is nothing more than the typical flu. That clearly isn't the case.
If that were true the hospitals in Italy and other countries that have heavy exposure wouldn't be in complete overload doing triage at the front door. The normal flu doesn't do that as well evidenced by many years of repeated cycles.
You think China completely shut down large parts of its economy for more than a month over the flu??? They have far less concern for the lives of people there.
Being wrong here has serious consequences no matter which side you error on. There's some balance between dead people and economic loss that can be achieved beyond letting nature take its course.
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Bookmark... yall keep it up... at least if I am gonna be home bound, ya give me something to read.
I think we all are going to start to re-learn and enjoy the simple pleasures.
Like right now, as I write, I see 3 deer getting dangerously close to my wife's rose garden, I'd normally spook 'em, but I think I will give 'em a pass this time.
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I'm one of those old people who is still going out, but these days, I'm rather limited to supermarkets and pharmacies as destinations because almost everything else is closed.
One thing I have started to do is walk outside. In my distressed neighborhood, normally, it would be dangerous to walk around even in the daytime, but I've noticed that even the gangstas must be staying home. The street I live on is normally bustling, particularly with teenagers blaring their car stereos, but the last dew days the street has been eerily quiet. No traffic either. I could almost walk down the middle of my street and not be run over.
Walking is good exercise and among the many recommendations from the "experts" on combating this virus are regular exercise and a healthy diet. Since the gyms are closed and if you don't have any home gym equipment, why not get outside in the fresh air and sunshine and do your exercise there?
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I think we all are going to start to re-learn and enjoy the simple pleasures.
Like right now, as I write, I see 3 deer getting dangerously close to my wife's rose garden, I'd normally spook 'em, but I think I will give 'em a pass this time.
Roses are tasty to that bunch. Watch out for the Wrath of the Wife if you let them eat too many.... wink777
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No. Understand:
We have never controlled a virus in the wild. Never.
We have had flu vaccines for a very long time - they do nothing to impact the overall epidemic, and never have.
Come on. That's just plain wrong.
Polio, Tetanus, Measles, Whooping Cough, ever heard of them? There are many others...
You think quarantines never works? The whole point is to slow down the spread so that medical facilities and supplies can keep up with demand instead of doing triage at the front door. Once triage starts all serious medical conditions go through the process. It sucks to be you if you could have survived your heart attack but the resources were overload at the time. Just nature taking its course you say...
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We should be going what Japan and S. Korea are doing. We are not Italy yet put appear to be follow the same trajectory. Not good. And I do not believe the numbers (or anything) coming out of China.
Yep. Chinese and Iranian numbers are useless. They shouldn't be thrown in with other reliable data. It is just pollution.
Japan and S. Korea are very homogeneous countries that are very cautious to begin with and tend to follow directives from their government.
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Come on. That's just plain wrong.
Polio, Tetanus, Measles, Whooping Cough, ever heard of them? There are many others...
You think quarantines never works? The whole point is to slow down the spread so that medical facilities and supplies can keep up with demand instead of doing triage at the front door. Once triage starts all serious medical conditions go through the process. It sucks to be you if you could have survived your heart attack but the resources were overload at the time. Just nature taking its course you say...
How about the VIRUS Smallpox?? And all those quarantined because they, or family members had it, and all those lives SAVED because of it??
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Roses are tasty to that bunch. Watch out for the Wrath of the Wife if you let them eat too many.... wink777
Ohhhh I know. After one decided to make the plunge, I shooshed them away. Seems the Deer-a-way stuff doesn't always work.
OTOH, I get pretty worked up over my Pear Orchard.
About 6 years ago, the local squirrels discoverd my pear trees, and started munching on them, generally a month before ripening. I tried everything from chemicals, to wind blown devices, to fake owls..... I tried them all. What was worst of all the $%$# critters would take just one bite, and drop the fruit on the ground. It was driving me crazy, and I looked like a mad man chasing them off.
I finally got fed up and blasted about a dozen of them, and hung their dead carcasses in the tree. It was pretty stealth with operation, until one of my wife's ultra animal activist type friends saw them, and threatened to turn me into PETA (LMAO). Rather than confronting the lady, my wife intervened, and kindly asked me to take the rodent flags down.
Sadly have not had a pear since. :shrug:
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How about the VIRUS Smallpox?? And all those quarantined because they, or family members had it, and all those lives SAVED because of it??
The list is long... I just posted what came quickly to me...
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Yep. Chinese and Iranian numbers are useless. They shouldn't be thrown in with other reliable data. It is just pollution.
Japan and S. Korea are very homogeneous countries that are very cautious to begin with and tend to follow directives from their government.
Countries individual trajectories will track in relation to the sophistication of their medical facilities. Another reason I think the US will have relatively little trouble with this virus.
Asia is doing well with COVID19 because they already had the SARs scare and have the healthcare infrastructure to deal with it.
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How about the VIRUS Smallpox?? And all those quarantined because they, or family members had it, and all those lives SAVED because of it??
Quarantines obviously do work. Few virus just blow in the wind... I don't follow the denial of basic knowldege.
I can understand an argument of where to draw the line between lives and cost. But to just call this the flu and no big deal and that it just needs to run it course naturally is something else.
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It's not going to happen, and is likely to be reelected despite all his shortcomings (and there are plenty).
@Cyber Liberty
Agreed. He won't resign, and he'll likely be reelected, but maybe with a rat control Congress.
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You keep on demanding that this is nothing more than the typical flu. That clearly isn't the case.
No @DB I am demanding that this is nothing more than a typical virus, and I am right.
It's virulence doesn't matter. it's morbidity rate doesn't matter.
AGAIN: We have never ever controlled a virus in the wild.
That record dictates that we will not control this one either.
I do not mean to seem cold. I understand why folks are worried. but facts are facts. And SHUTTING OFF INDUSTRY will not change that. It will only make it worse.
If that were true the hospitals in Italy and other countries that have heavy exposure wouldn't be in complete overload doing triage at the front door. The normal flu doesn't do that as well evidenced by many years of repeated cycles.
A socialist country with socialized medicine and you don't understand it's incompetence?
And we are supposed to mimic that?
You think China completely shut down large parts of its economy for more than a month over the flu??? They have far less concern for the lives of people there.
Again, a socialist country. Top-down hammer. It is no wonder. Better to look at So Korea and Japan, our routine partners and allies, whose medical systems are full of our shared technology.
Being wrong here has serious consequences no matter which side you error on. There's some balance between dead people and economic loss that can be achieved beyond letting nature take its course.
Again, you misunderstand. Nature will take its course. that is inevitable.
We have never controlled a virus in the wild.
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Come on. That's just plain wrong.
Polio, Tetanus, Measles, Whooping Cough, ever heard of them? There are many others...
You think quarantines never works? The whole point is to slow down the spread so that medical facilities and supplies can keep up with demand instead of doing triage at the front door. Once triage starts all serious medical conditions go through the process. It sucks to be you if you could have survived your heart attack but the resources were overload at the time. Just nature taking its course you say...
You got it. The point of the "social distancing" (Geesh, there's a buzz-word for you!) is to slow it down enough to buy time to find treatments and vaccines.
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Do you find the article convincing @Hoodat ?
It is an opinion piece, not an article. But I do think that the economic impact from draconian measures we collectively as a nation are taking in the current panic will be far more damaging and far-reaching than the virus itself. The influx of new money by the Fed has by itself reduced my standard of living.
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@roamer_1
Alright. We'll just have to disagree and leave it at that.
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@Cyber Liberty
Agreed. He won't resign, and he'll likely be reelected, but maybe with a rat control Congress.
And that depends on the actions of the Rats as much as it does on the actions of the President. No election occurs in a vacuum.
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It is an opinion piece, not an article. But I do think that the economic impact from draconian measures we collectively as a nation are taking in the current panic will be far more damaging and far-reaching than the virus itself. The influx of new money by the Fed has by itself reduced my standard of living.
That it has. It is just bumping things forward about a year with the annual trillion dollar deficits filled with funny money.
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Quarantines obviously do work. Few virus just blow in the wind... I don't follow the denial of basic knowldege.
I can understand an argument of where to draw the line between lives and cost. But to just call this the flu and no big deal and that it just needs to run it course naturally is something else.
That's where I am, @DB. Not in panic mode, not a lemming following the government blindly.
Just understanding that we are in uncharted territory, that the goal is to slow down the spread of this virus, and that as a Christian and a Conservative, I need to behave responsibly.
Saying this is nothing, and saying "to heck with it, I'm going about my life as I want to" to me is irresponsible.
But maybe that's just me.......
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Come on. That's just plain wrong.
Polio, Tetanus, Measles, Whooping Cough, ever heard of them? There are many others...
Attrition over many years, not controlling outbreak.
You think quarantines never works? The whole point is to slow down the spread so that medical facilities and supplies can keep up with demand instead of doing triage at the front door. Once triage starts all serious medical conditions go through the process. It sucks to be you if you could have survived your heart attack but the resources were overload at the time. Just nature taking its course you say...
No, quarantine works at the individual level - you lower your risk. But it hardly effects the aggregate.
And as I have said, over and again, massive quarantine,shutting down industry and infrastructure DESTROYS our ability to respond with agility. It creates a finite pie, with finite resources.
Need more beds? Make more damn beds.
But that requires an agile industry and materials, and distribution.
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I have not seen anyone here argue against taking reasonable precautions against the Wuhan Coronavirus but what is reasonable varies from person to person and this currently evolving one size fits all approach is NOT the answer.
I am coronaed out (https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/03/i_am_coronaed_out.html)
IMHO Mr. Lloyd Marcus has HIS head screwed on VERY straight!
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And what about others? No concern?
Nursing homes and hospitals should open their doors back to visitors?
I mean, we ARE all going to die, right?? :shrug:
Come on. That's just plain wrong.
Polio, Tetanus, Measles, Whooping Cough, ever heard of them? There are many others...
You think quarantines never works? The whole point is to slow down the spread so that medical facilities and supplies can keep up with demand instead of doing triage at the front door. Once triage starts all serious medical conditions go through the process. It sucks to be you if you could have survived your heart attack but the resources were overload at the time. Just nature taking its course you say...
How about the VIRUS Smallpox?? And all those quarantined because they, or family members had it, and all those lives SAVED because of it??
goopo
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A coronavirus patient refused to quarantine, so deputies are surrounding his house to force him to
A Kentucky novel coronavirus patient checked himself out of the hospital against medical advice. So to prevent him from spreading the virus, officials are surrounding his house to keep him there.
The 53-year-old man in Nelson County refused to quarantine himself after testing positive for Covid-19, Kentucky Gov. Andy Beshear said.
Nelson County officials "forced an isolation" on the man, one of the first 20 confirmed Covid-19 cases in the state.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/17/us/kentucky-refused-quarantine-coronavirus-trnd/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/17/us/kentucky-refused-quarantine-coronavirus-trnd/index.html)
Ok, this guy has the virus and no one wants him spreading it around. But is the next step to force all of us still healthy people to stay home by whatever means necessary, including force?
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How about the VIRUS Smallpox?? And all those quarantined because they, or family members had it, and all those lives SAVED because of it??
Small pox is back. It is only a matter of time till that and all the other old world viruses outbreak again.
Our war on them was won with hygiene over decades...
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@Hoodat
Update from 3 days ago.
February 12 the stock market closed at an all-time record high of 29,551.42
Yesterday it closed at 20,188.52.
Did you purchase all your stock on Feb 12? Did you sell it all yesterday? Didn't think so. Stock is only worth anything on two occasions - the moment you buy and the moment you sell. At all other times, it has no monetary value. But hey, if you want to panic, then by all means sell low and buy high.
I purchase my stock as a long-term investment for when I retire (which won't be for another 15-20 years or so because of the insolvency of social security). Key word: Long term. If you have cash on hand, then now is the time to buy. Stocks are a bargain right now. Jump in while the going is good. Unless you would rather sit on the sideline and bitch about how much the market has fallen in five weeks while ignoring how much it has risen in 40 years, all with zero intention of either buying or selling.
That's a 31.7% drop in just over a month, and less than 500 points more than it was at 19,732 when Trump was inaugurated. The DOW today is up 2.3% since Trump took office. How much praise does 2.3% over 3 years deserve?
It doesn't. Just pointing out the bias of your selective outrage.
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goopo
I agree. I think, as a group, we're getting better at it.
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A coronavirus patient refused to quarantine, so deputies are surrounding his house to force him to
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Ok, this guy has the virus and no one wants him spreading it around. But is the next step to force all of us still healthy people to stay home by whatever means necessary, including force?
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/17/us/kentucky-refused-quarantine-coronavirus-trnd/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/17/us/kentucky-refused-quarantine-coronavirus-trnd/index.html)
That’s a pretty big step, but definitely a concern.
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But to just call this the flu and no big deal and that it just needs to run it course naturally is something else.
I did NOT say that.
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It is an opinion piece, not an article. But I do think that the economic impact from draconian measures we collectively as a nation are taking in the current panic will be far more damaging and far-reaching than the virus itself. The influx of new money by the Fed has by itself reduced my standard of living.
@Hoodat Thank you for the response. You maybe right, in fact I hope you are.
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I agree. I think, as a group, we're getting better at it.
Perhaps one of the benefits of confinement. We all try harder to get along.
(Well, most of us! wink777)
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Like right now, as I write, I see 3 deer getting dangerously close to my wife's rose garden, I'd normally spook 'em, but I think I will give 'em a pass this time.
I'm guessing your wife no longer has any hostas.
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Small pox is back. It is only a matter of time till that and all the other old world viruses outbreak again.
Our war on them was won with hygiene over decades...
Didn’t say it was gone. It was contained by quarantine, not by saying it was no big deal.
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I'm one of those old people who is still going out, but these days, I'm rather limited to supermarkets and pharmacies as destinations because almost everything else is closed.
Oh, so it was you that I ran into at the store.
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I'm guessing your wife no longer has any hostas.
Nobody with deer in the neighborhood has any hosta left. happy77
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Didn’t say it was gone. It was contained by quarantine, not by saying it was no big deal.
No it wasn't, not after outbreak. Single cases yes, but once it hits the wild, its going to run.
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I'm guessing your wife no longer has any hostas.
Naw... Scared them. Losing a bunch of buds off those roses, could be mood changer. No thanks. :cool:
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Naw... Scared them. Losing a bunch of buds off those roses, could be mood changer. No thanks. :cool:
You clearly understand the Wrath of the Wife.... 888mouth
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Did you purchase all your stock on Feb 12? Did you sell it all yesterday? Didn't think so. Stock is only worth anything on two occasions - the moment you buy and the moment you sell. At all other times, it has no monetary value. But hey, if you want to panic, then by all means sell low and buy high.
I purchase my stock as a long-term investment for when I retire (which won't be for another 15-20 years or so because of the insolvency of social security). Key word: Long term. If you have cash on hand, then now is the time to buy. Stocks are a bargain right now. Jump in while the going is good. Unless you would rather sit on the sideline and bitch about how much the market has fallen in five weeks while ignoring how much it has risen in 40 years, all with zero intention of either buying or selling.
I think that is gobbledygook @Hoodat . My stocks had a value much higher a month ago. I can see the new value on the ticker today, but try that on the voters. wink777
It doesn't. Just pointing out the bias of your selective outrage.
It's true I didn't used to complain about the Stock Market until this last month, and I wasn't outraged. I'm not ashamed to admit I was selectively joyful that my stocks were doing so much better than three years ago. Hence my outrage at this time.
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When Fauci speaks I'm reminded of this character from the original Independence Day .... (https://s.yimg.com/uu/api/res/1.2/bMqjAulz6iz9Hn8eQEpVnw--~B/aD02NzU7dz0xMDEyO3NtPTE7YXBwaWQ9eXRhY2h5b24-/https://s.yimg.com/cd/resizer/2.0/FIT_TO_WIDTH-w1012/60f4aede33a585ea4d7f4fcc21e84d52d7799e71.jpg)
Perhaps it's time to return Fauci to the back room ... without WIFI. :laugh:
*****rollingeyes*****
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I think that is gobbledygook @Hoodat . My stocks had a value much higher a month ago. I can see the new value on the ticker today, but try that on the voters. wink777
It's true I didn't used to complain about the Stock Market until this last month, and I wasn't outraged. I'm not ashamed to admit I was selectively joyful that my stocks were doing so much better than three years ago. Hence my outrage at this time.
Well the likely truth is when this current storm passes the stock market is going to have the biggest and fastest gains in history. There's no indication that any of this is long lasting (economically) with some exceptions. Small business is going to be the hardest hit, especially businesses that provide direct services to the public. That's where help needs to be focused.
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No it wasn't, not after outbreak. Single cases yes, but once it hits the wild, its going to run.
Not going anywhere with this.
Last comment here about this to you: it is inappropriate to say this is ‘just a virus’ and because of that we should do nothing to slow its growth.
It is even worse to say, everybody’s gonna die, so live life as usual, or I’m going to ignore precautions about social contact because nobody’s going to tell ME what to do.
That kind of callousness is neither Christian nor Conservative, and I will never agree with it.
You may respond to this as you will, but I’ve made my point repeatedly and don’t care to continue it.
Love you, man. You’re one of my allies here, and I don’t want to risk losing that.
Stay healthy.
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Not going anywhere with this.
Last comment here about this to you: it is inappropriate to say this is ‘just a virus’ and because of that we should do nothing to slow its growth.
I did not say that.
It is even worse to say, everybody’s gonna die, so live life as usual, or I’m going to ignore precautions about social contact because nobody’s going to tell ME what to do.
I did not say that either.
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Well the likely truth is when this current storm passes the stock market is going to have the biggest and fastest gains in history.
I don't think we can know this although the President could certainly have a hunch about it.There's no indication that any of this is long lasting (economically) with some exceptions.
Except for the panicked outcry of businesses currently shut down. Small business is going to be the hardest hit, especially businesses that provide direct services to the public. That's where help needs to be focused.
Agreed. Thanx for your reply @DB .
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I think that is gobbledygook @Hoodat . My stocks had a value much higher a month ago.
That value was wasted if you failed to sell or leverage for something else of value.
I can see the new value on the ticker today
That value is meaningless unless you intend to buy, sell, or leverage. A $100 bill can't purchase anything while it remains in your pocket.
It's true I didn't used to complain about the Stock Market until this last month, and I wasn't outraged. I'm not ashamed to admit I was selectively joyful that my stocks were doing so much better than three years ago. Hence my outrage at this time.
Please consider why you purchased stock to begin with, what your overall goal was, and where the finish line is. Anyone working in the market knew that the DOW at 29k was huge bubble territory. At some time, it was going to go down and stabilize. But everyone was enjoying riding the wave and afraid to get off, lest they be left behind. When it hit 24k, I knew it was too high. But I didn't sell. When it hit 26k, I knew it was overvalued, but didn't sell. When it hit 29k, I knew it was overvalued, but didn't sell. And now that it is at 20k, I know it is closer to actual value, but I still ain't selling. Because the point of buying it to begin with was for my retirement many years down the road.
As for what the average American watching in fear as the ticker changes, I would be willing to bet that 99% of them couldn't name 5 DJI stocks.
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Please tell me how well Governor Cuomo is handling this crisis.
New York virus to peak in 45 days (!), taxing hospitals, Cuomo says
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/new-york-virus-to-peak-in-45-days-taxing-hospitals-cuomo-says/ar-BB11jtPi?ocid=spartandhp (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/new-york-virus-to-peak-in-45-days-taxing-hospitals-cuomo-says/ar-BB11jtPi?ocid=spartandhp)
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Some grocery stores create 'elderly hours' to protect older shoppers during coronavirus
Some grocery stores are creating “elderly hours†to allow older customers to get their shopping done during the coronavirus outbreak.
Grocery chains around the world, including Australia's Woolworth, announced they would institute special early hours for older individuals starting Tuesday.
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Several grocery stores in the U.S. have encouraged online pickup and delivery services to prevent vulnerable populations from coming in contact with the virus in public. Some have also started closing early to allow employees enough time to restock shelves depleted by anxious shoppers.
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/public-global-health/487922-some-grocery-stores-create-elderly-hours-to-protect
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Please consider why you purchased stock to begin with, what your overall goal was, and where the finish line is. Anyone working in the market knew that the DOW at 29k was huge bubble territory. At some time, it was going to go down and stabilize. But everyone was enjoying riding the wave and afraid to get off, lest they be left behind. When it hit 24k, I knew it was too high. But I didn't sell. When it hit 26k, I knew it was overvalued, but didn't sell. When it hit 29k, I knew it was overvalued, but didn't sell. And now that it is at 20k, I know it is closer to actual value, but I still ain't selling. Because the point of buying it to begin with was for my retirement many years down the road.
That's a sound investment strategy. I moved my dough out of the Markets completely about a year ago, but it had nothing to do with what the market was doing, it was because my investment horizon had shrunken to nothing when I chose to retire young.
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Some grocery stores create 'elderly hours' to protect older shoppers during coronavirus
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/public-global-health/487922-some-grocery-stores-create-elderly-hours-to-protect
That sounds like a good idea driven by the free market.
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They are using confirmed cases, which are cases tested and proved, to come up with the mortality rate. But for every confirmed case there are a myriad of cases that never will be tested or confirmed. Because testing is only done when symptoms present and warrant the testing.
When this is all over, I would like to see someone use a test for antibodies to covid-19 and do a scientific sampling of people who did not show symptoms to see get a good estimate on how many were infected and never knew. They we would have a good estimate of the real death rate.
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When this is all over, I would like to see someone use a test for antibodies to covid-19 and do a scientific sampling of people who did not show symptoms to see get a good estimate on how many were infected and never knew. They we would have a good estimate of the real death rate.
I don't think that's feasible, at least on a large scale... For the same reason everyone are not getting tested now. There ain't enough tests, and there ain't enough money....
But I get where you are coming from :beer:
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That sounds like a good idea driven by the free market.
It sure is, and you pegged the originators of the idea correctly: Private industry. We "discovered" Walmart's curb-side grocery pickup some months ago, and it's been a wonderful thing. No walking the aisles, which, for me, usually ends up with too much impulse buying. We shop to a list much better now. We put things in the virtual cart in an app at our leisure, and check out when we get enough items to make it worth the trip. Wally World is a half-hour drive, one way.
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I don't think that's feasible, at least on a large scale... For the same reason everyone are not getting tested now. There ain't enough tests, and there ain't enough money....
But I get where you are coming from :beer:
For those who regularly get their blood work done they can probably throw that test into the mix to collect data. Assuming it isn't expensive and the data is worth collecting. It will still miss a good chunk of the population that rarely gets their blood work done but still would provide a lot of data.
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I don't think that's feasible, at least on a large scale... For the same reason everyone are not getting tested now. There ain't enough tests, and there ain't enough money....
But I get where you are coming from :beer:
I didn't say test everyone, I said a "scientific sampling."
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For those who regularly get their blood work done they can probably throw that test into the mix to collect data. Assuming it isn't expensive and the data is worth collecting. It will still miss a good chunk of the population that rarely gets their blood work done but still would provide a lot of data.
Right. The lion's share. And that is why answers remain elusive. And why it takes so long to reach a solution. The underclass, the unacknowledged, the ignorant, and the unrepentant... Those are the vectors that are always undefined.
There are always way more birds in the bush than birds in the hand.
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I did not say that.
I did not say that either.
I know you didn't. But somebody on the thread did.......
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When this is all over, I would like to see someone use a test for antibodies to covid-19 and do a scientific sampling of people who did not show symptoms to see get a good estimate on how many were infected and never knew. They we would have a good estimate of the real death rate.
Correctamundo.
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Please tell me how well Governor Cuomo is handling this crisis.
New York virus to peak in 45 days (!), taxing hospitals, Cuomo says
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/new-york-virus-to-peak-in-45-days-taxing-hospitals-cuomo-says/ar-BB11jtPi?ocid=spartandhp (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/new-york-virus-to-peak-in-45-days-taxing-hospitals-cuomo-says/ar-BB11jtPi?ocid=spartandhp)
He's bombing.
He failed to take preventative measures in time, and now is overreacting.
The taxing of hospitals may have been prevented, and most likely would have been in a state that isn't so "progressive."
The closer a state is to socialized medicine, the worse it is for the health of its citizens.
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When this is all over, I would like to see someone use a test for antibodies to covid-19 and do a scientific sampling of people who did not show symptoms to see get a good estimate on how many were infected and never knew. They we would have a good estimate of the real death rate.
But unless you do that for other viruses, the comparison will be meaningless.
I feel confident people get the seasonal flu with a less than typical impact and they do not see a doctor either. Those cases are not counted either.
If you are going to compared to other virus, you need to use the same baseline. And that is only of the people impacted severely enough to see medical attention.
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@roamer_1
Alright. We'll just have to disagree and leave it at that.
Wait until the virus is at his door, then his tune will change. happy77
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That value was wasted if you failed to sell or leverage for something else of value.
That value is meaningless unless you intend to buy, sell, or leverage. A $100 bill can't purchase anything while it remains in your pocket.
Please consider why you purchased stock to begin with, what your overall goal was, and where the finish line is. Anyone working in the market knew that the DOW at 29k was huge bubble territory. At some time, it was going to go down and stabilize. But everyone was enjoying riding the wave and afraid to get off, lest they be left behind. When it hit 24k, I knew it was too high. But I didn't sell. When it hit 26k, I knew it was overvalued, but didn't sell. When it hit 29k, I knew it was overvalued, but didn't sell. And now that it is at 20k, I know it is closer to actual value, but I still ain't selling. Because the point of buying it to begin with was for my retirement many years down the road.
As for what the average American watching in fear as the ticker changes, I would be willing to bet that 99% of them couldn't name 5 DJI stocks.
You are wasting your breath on him. It's like arguing with my brother who is a lawyer, who never listens to a thing you say.
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At our age.... Can you put a price tag on basically losing 6 months of enjoyable life?
I am a well, responsible self quarantining, >60 y.o. (age risk). But I tell ya..... If it becomes evident that this was overblown? I don't think you will see the level of anger that has been seen in many years.
If it becomes evident that this was overblown? There is the rub. If nothing happens those who closed down life will crow from the rooftops that "it worked" when that is not unknowable and could just as easily be because people are responsibly taking precautions on their own. The draconian closures are not necessary, especially in areas without cases. The same geniuses that shut down private businesses because they can't be trusted to wipe down hard surfaces and monitor their health and that of their employees when their livelihood is at stake are the same geniuses that will tell when it's okay to resume. I refuse to stop my life because of some panicking bureaucrat.
Just because the powers-that-be are incapable of critical thinking doesn't mean everyone else is.
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And now for a little cute-- a PSA from Mel Brooks and his son Max:
Mel Brooks and his son explain social distancing for you
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Mel Brooks, 93, is in the group deemed high risk as the spread of COVID-19 continues due to his age .
His son, Max Brooks, said he is practicing social distancing so that his father -- nor any of his father's famous friends and fellow legendary figures -- get sick.
See the Twitter video here:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/celebrity/mel-brooks-and-his-son-explain-social-distancing-for-you/ar-BB11h6jY?ocid=msedgdhp (https://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/celebrity/mel-brooks-and-his-son-explain-social-distancing-for-you/ar-BB11h6jY?ocid=msedgdhp)
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If it becomes evident that this was overblown? There is the rub. If nothing happens those who closed down life will crow from the rooftops that "it worked" when that is not unknowable and could just as easily be because people are responsibly taking precautions on their own. The draconian closures are not necessary, especially in areas without cases. The same geniuses that shut down private businesses because they can't be trusted to wipe down hard surfaces and monitor their health and that of their employees when their livelihood is at stake are the same geniuses that will tell when it's okay to resume. I refuse to stop my life because of some panicking bureaucrat.
Just because the powers-that-be are incapable of critical thinking doesn't mean everyone else is.
Something is going on in Iran that isn't the flu: https://apnews.com/6e92d93551ee6c6ae51d0acaaad9eb32
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Something is going on in Iran that isn't the flu: https://apnews.com/6e92d93551ee6c6ae51d0acaaad9eb32
... Late Monday night, angry crowds stormed the courtyards of the Imam Reza shrine in Mashhad and the Fatima Masumeh shrine in Qom. Many people visit the shrine in Qom 24 hours a day, seven days a week, touching and kissing the shrine.That has worried health officials, who for weeks wanted Iran’s Shiite clergy to close them. ...
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Wait until the virus is at his door, then his tune will change. happy77
I doubt that very much. And it is nearly at the gate. Missoula has 4 cases and Spokane is an official hot-spot. Everything coming here passes through there.
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Something is going on in Iran that isn't the flu: https://apnews.com/6e92d93551ee6c6ae51d0acaaad9eb32
I smell a purge of peasants. Unfortunately for them, the virus hit the leadership of that benighted country first.
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I doubt that very much. And it is nearly at the gate. Missoula has 4 cases and Spokane is an official hot-spot. Everything coming here passes through there.
Let me just say I hope it stays far from you and everyone else.
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And now for a little cute-- a PSA from Mel Brooks and his son Max:
Mel Brooks and his son explain social distancing for you
See the Twitter video here:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/celebrity/mel-brooks-and-his-son-explain-social-distancing-for-you/ar-BB11h6jY?ocid=msedgdhp (https://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/celebrity/mel-brooks-and-his-son-explain-social-distancing-for-you/ar-BB11h6jY?ocid=msedgdhp)
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That sounds like a good idea driven by the free market.
Yesterday in SoCal the regional market chain named Northgate-Gonzalez, announced special hours for seniors.
Other markets changed hours, too, including Walmart--extending some store's hours, reducing some others.
within abour 4 miles, we have Trader Joe's, Walmart Neighborhood, Sprouts, Von's, Albertsons, Sprouts, Grocery Outlet, Aldi, Costco, Sam's club, Stater Bros., Smart & Final, Target.
Further a little bit incl. Gelson's, Whole Foods
Enough variety in America's free market system?
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Mayor Warns NYC to Prepare for Potential Shelter-in-Place Order Amid ‘Fast-Growing Crisis’
Mayor Bill de Blasio told New Yorkers Tuesday to prepare for a potential citywide shelter-in-place order. While no state or city mandate has been issued at this time, the mayor said "we are deeply concerned about the direction and trajectory" of infection. A decision would likely come within 48 hours.
Earlier in the day, Gov. Andrew Cuomo said any such order would require state approval. The city of San Francisco, though, has implemented a similar order in several counties to curb the spread of COVID-19.
Describing the city's plight as a "fast-growing crisis," de Blasio added more than 100 new cases to the number Cuomo had given for NYC just hours earlier. By mid-afternoon Tuesday, New York City coronavirus cases surpassed 800, according to the mayor. Seven NYC residents have died, along with five others across the state.
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/coronavirus/nypd-to-enforce-closures-as-nyc-celebrates-st-patricks-day-with-no-parade-no-bars/2330440/ (https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/coronavirus/nypd-to-enforce-closures-as-nyc-celebrates-st-patricks-day-with-no-parade-no-bars/2330440/)
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And now for a little cute-- a PSA from Mel Brooks and his son Max:
Mel Brooks and his son explain social distancing for you
See the Twitter video here:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/celebrity/mel-brooks-and-his-son-explain-social-distancing-for-you/ar-BB11h6jY?ocid=msedgdhp (https://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/celebrity/mel-brooks-and-his-son-explain-social-distancing-for-you/ar-BB11h6jY?ocid=msedgdhp)
@Applewood if you are a fan of the Food Network, Alton Brown has a very good video on how to wash hands. It’s like watching an episode of “Good Eatsâ€
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Let me just say I hope it stays far from you and everyone else.
YEP, and back atcha!
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Come on. That's just plain wrong.
Polio, Tetanus, Measles, Whooping Cough, ever heard of them? There are many others...
You think quarantines never works? The whole point is to slow down the spread so that medical facilities and supplies can keep up with demand instead of doing triage at the front door. Once triage starts all serious medical conditions go through the process. It sucks to be you if you could have survived your heart attack but the resources were overload at the time. Just nature taking its course you say...
Contain? No. We developed vaccines. Not the same thing.
Stop administering the vaccines, and the diseases will make a comeback.
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How about the VIRUS Smallpox?? And all those quarantined because they, or family members had it, and all those lives SAVED because of it??
How about the vaccine?
That's what stopped it, not the quarantines. Stop the vaccine, and the virus will be back.
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Found out some good things about Ohio hospitals (some of the best in the world) at today’s official update today.
They are working with nursing homes and hotels to act as temporary hospital wings in case of overflow. Those spaces will act as wards for non- infectious patients to free up space for more critical patients.
Also there are PPEs in reserve left over from H1N1and Ebola scares that never materialized as this one has.
My husband explained to me how very prepared Ohio hospitals are, not because of federal mandates, but because of the Joint Commission within Ohio, for significant viral emergencies.
The federal government is not issuing further supplies, but if the curve is successfully flattened, Ohioans will be okay.
Stay home. Limit contact with others. Keep local businesses afloat by buying supplies locally whenever possible.
Everything is gonna be alright. :patriot:
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How about the vaccine?
That's what stopped it, not the quarantines. Stop the vaccine, and the virus will be back.
Are you saying the quarantines didn’t keep others safe? Are you saying they weren’t necessary?
Because before there was a vaccine, it was the only thing keeping it from spreading.
My comment was in response to the idea that you can’t stop a virus.
That a virus has never been stopped. So basically, don’t try to slow it down.
To that I say poppycock. Do everything you can to slow down this new virus and save lives until there is a vaccine.
And that includes limiting social contact and large gatherings, quarantines, and even among conservatives, a little self control for the well-being of others.
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How about the vaccine?
That's what stopped it, not the quarantines. Stop the vaccine, and the virus will be back.
Uhhh..... General vaccination of population against Smallpox stopped in 1972.
The virus is basically eradicated, with ecxception of a couple of lab samples, (1 @CDC)
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Are you saying the quarantines didn’t keep others safe? Are you saying they weren’t necessary?
Because before there was a vaccine, it was the only thing keeping it from spreading.
My comment was in response to the idea that you can’t stop a virus.
That a virus has never been stopped. So basically, don’t try to slow it down.
To that I say poppycock. Do everything you can to slow down this new virus and save lives until there is a vaccine.
And that includes limiting social contact and large gatherings, quarantines, and even among conservatives, a little self control for the well-being of others.
I'm in the "All the Above" group on this. Slow the spread of the virus as much as we can, while the medicos get the treatments and vaccines online as soon as they can. It's a team effort. I don't have to make the case the disease is deadly or not deadly, it's irrelevant.
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Yep! Let's keep on allowing the destruction of our economy over what amounts to very little!
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Are you talking about climate change now? Isn't that their line?
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The vaccine won't be ready for another year to 18 months at the earliest. Taking shortcuts and hoping for the best is not an option; that will cause more harm them good.
So ... social distancing for the elderly and herd immunity are the options that we have now. The vaccine isn't going to be here any time soon.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/17/when-will-a-coronavirus-vaccine-be-ready (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/17/when-will-a-coronavirus-vaccine-be-ready)
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Countries individual trajectories will track in relation to the sophistication of their medical facilities. Another reason I think the US will have relatively little trouble with this virus.
Important point @skeeter :thumbsup:
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Quarantines obviously do work. Few virus just blow in the wind... I don't follow the denial of basic knowldege.
I can understand an argument of where to draw the line between lives and cost. But to just call this the flu and no big deal and that it just needs to run it course naturally is something else.
I believe that the comparisons to the flu were made to try to put the death toll in perspective, not to say this is the flu, a variety of flu, or even will behave necessarily the same way.
But perspective has left the building and was trampled on the street in the panic outside.
Of course, this is not the flu. It is in a different group of viruses (Coronaviruses) which ranges in lethality from MERS and SARS to the common cold. It falls somewhere in between, exactly where, we don't really know.
We don't really know because this is a novel virus, something new.
We do know it tends to be most dangerous for people over 60, and especially those over 60 with pre-existing pulmonary, coronary, or metabolic diseases and those with compromised immune systems are believed to be at higher risk.
How many of those who have died in the US had one of those preexisting conditions.
Comparing what is happening in Italy and using it to project what is happening here is useless. Apples to Oranges.
Unless, of course, the purpose is to cause panic.
Panic is something that can be herded, like a stampede, it is destructive of anything in its way, without thought, and ultimately can be grossly self destructive, just like the buffalo jump, the lemming migration, and other examples of creatures running headlong to their demise, humans apparently will do the same thing.
When enough of the economy has broken down, who will deliver the goods to your town that it needs to survive? If people (as people often do) become so envious of, or desperate to have what you have and they don't (a recurring theme in media) will they recall having seen iterations of The Purge and decide to come for all you have, even if you don't have it?
What will the body count be then?
See, I can go all hyperbolic, too.
But mobs and riots are a fact of human existence.
Fear of starvation and the cries of a hungry child will overcome fear of maybe catching a disease at some point, that might make you sick. What then?
Back up, America. Back off. Take the wide view in, and get the job done.
This panic will kill more people (if we let it) than the disease itself.
But while you are sitting behind those barred doors, noshing on freeze dried apricots, I heartily recommend reading Edgar Allen Poe's The Masque of the Red Death (https://www.gutenberg.org/files/1064/1064-h/1064-h.htm) for entertainment. At least the highway accident toll may drop....
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The vaccine won't be ready for another year to 18 months at the earliest. Taking shortcuts and hoping for the best is not an option; that will cause more harm them good.
So ... social distancing for the elderly and herd immunity are the options that we have now. The vaccine isn't going to be here any time soon.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/17/when-will-a-coronavirus-vaccine-be-ready (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/17/when-will-a-coronavirus-vaccine-be-ready)
I'm not counting on a vaccine. By the time it is finished, the outbreak will likely have run its course.
We need treatments that shorten the duration of an infection. Right now our government is acting like there is no treatment. We need to expedite the existing treatments that have shown they can fight this virus.
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I'm in the "All the Above" group on this. Slow the spread of the virus as much as we can, while the medicos get the treatments and vaccines online as soon as they can. It's a team effort. I don't have to make the case the disease is deadly or not deadly, it's irrelevant.
You make an excellent point here.
Arguing about mortality rates is not really relevant discussion.
It’s a disease that is doing great harm, spreading extremely rapidly, and we, as a people, need to do what’s necessary to slow things down.
If that means a little inconvenience, so be it.
Our parents lived through a depression and a world war.
We can live through staying at home for a few weeks to help stop this thing.
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I believe that the comparisons to the flu were made to try to put the death toll in perspective, not to say this is the flu, a variety of flu, or even will behave necessarily the same way.
But perspective has left the building and was trampled on the street in the panic outside.
Of course, this is not the flu. It is in a different group of viruses (Coronaviruses) which ranges in lethality from MERS and SARS to the common cold. It falls somewhere in between, exactly where, we don't really know.
We don't really know because this is a novel virus, something new.
We do know it tends to be most dangerous for people over 60, and especially those over 60 with pre-existing pulmonary, coronary, or metabolic diseases and those with compromised immune systems are believed to be at higher risk.
How many of those who have died in the US had one of those preexisting conditions.
Comparing what is happening in Italy and using it to project what is happening here is useless. Apples to Oranges.
Unless, of course, the purpose is to cause panic.
Panic is something that can be herded, like a stampede, it is destructive of anything in its way, without thought, and ultimately can be grossly self destructive, just like the buffalo jump, the lemming migration, and other examples of creatures running headlong to their demise, humans apparently will do the same thing.
When enough of the economy has broken down, who will deliver the goods to your town that it needs to survive? If people (as people often do) become so envious of, or desperate to have what you have and they don't (a recurring theme in media) will they recall having seen iterations of The Purge and decide to come for all you have, even if you don't have it?
What will the body count be then?
See, I can go all hyperbolic, too.
But mobs and riots are a fact of human existence.
Fear of starvation and the cries of a hungry child will overcome fear of maybe catching a disease at some point, that might make you sick. What then?
Back up, America. Back off. Take the wide view in, and get the job done.
This panic will kill more people (if we let it) than the disease itself.
But while you are sitting behind those barred doors, noshing on freeze dried apricots, I heartily recommend reading Edgar Allen Poe's The Masque of the Red Death (https://www.gutenberg.org/files/1064/1064-h/1064-h.htm) for entertainment. At least the highway accident toll may drop....
I expect both the panic and the virus will burn themselves out over the next few weeks - but who really knows. There are no easy answers. One day at a time.
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I expect both the panic and the virus will burn themselves out over the next few weeks - but who really knows. There are no easy answers. One day at a time.
I place my faith in The Almighty. This (both panic and the disease) will run their respective courses. But with the Saudis flooding oil markets, the oil industry likely won't be able to jump start the economy this time.
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I place my faith in The Almighty. This (both panic and the disease) will run their respective courses. But with the Saudis flooding oil markets, the oil industry likely won't be able to jump start the economy this time.
Odd.... that the Saudis' action on oil concides with the CV outbreak. Almost like a double-whammy was orchestrated, planned and carried out. 888mouth
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I expect both the panic and the virus will burn themselves out over the next few weeks - but who really knows. There are no easy answers. One day at a time.
I'm hoping so.
Still no known cases in the county where I live, but down in NYC I'm seeing the signs of raging out of control. Of course, when we're in New York, that means what happens down there gets forced upon us up here.
I'm hoping the rapid rise in positive cases is just an example of 1) the lag in testing and 2) people who have come back from overseas or more heavily infected regions who have quarantined themselves. I'm hoping and praying by next week we see signs of leveling out. If I start seeing signs of "community spread" getting nearer, I'll probably get really discouraged.
Truth be told, I just want to get back to normal life. This bothers me... and it doesn't even really directly affect me yet, that's the worst part!
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@Applewood if you are a fan of the Food Network, Alton Brown has a very good video on how to wash hands. It’s like watching an episode of “Good Eatsâ€
@Gefn
I'll have to look for that video online -- thanks.
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You make an excellent point here.
Arguing about mortality rates is not really relevant discussion.
It’s a disease that is doing great harm, spreading extremely rapidly, and we, as a people, need to do what’s necessary to slow things down.
If that means a little inconvenience, so be it.
Our parents lived through a depression and a world war.
We can live through staying at home for a few weeks to help stop this thing.
Only problem is, I sat and watched the newscast for about 15 minutes. Spring break seems to be in full swing at our local beach -- social distancing was supposed to be practiced -- groups of 10 or less .... well it worked well in the morning and by afternoon the kids got closer and closer together. Then they interviewed the mayor, she said, well, if it comes down to a mandate we'll close the beaches, but until then they will remain open. Spring breakers come from all over the country to our beaches in FL. Meanwhile we have 25 new cases today.
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I'm hoping so.
Still no known cases in the county where I live, but down in NYC I'm seeing the signs of raging out of control. Of course, when we're in New York, that means what happens down there gets forced upon us up here.
I'm hoping the rapid rise in positive cases is just an example of 1) the lag in testing and 2) people who have come back from overseas or more heavily infected regions who have quarantined themselves. I'm hoping and praying by next week we see signs of leveling out. If I start seeing signs of "community spread" getting nearer, I'll probably get really discouraged.
Truth be told, I just want to get back to normal life. This bothers me... and it doesn't even really directly affect me yet, that's the worst part!
A large number of positive cases that had few serious symptoms would be a great thing. It would mean it is widely spread and didn't do much damage.
It is wait and see.
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I'm hoping so.
Still no known cases in the county where I live, but down in NYC I'm seeing the signs of raging out of control. Of course, when we're in New York, that means what happens down there gets forced upon us up here.
I'm hoping the rapid rise in positive cases is just an example of 1) the lag in testing and 2) people who have come back from overseas or more heavily infected regions who have quarantined themselves. I'm hoping and praying by next week we see signs of leveling out. If I start seeing signs of "community spread" getting nearer, I'll probably get really discouraged.
Truth be told, I just want to get back to normal life. This bothers me... and it doesn't even really directly affect me yet, that's the worst part!
I would think we should see some waning in the growth of new cases next week. Maybe even a decline..
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I'm hoping so.
Still no known cases in the county where I live, but down in NYC I'm seeing the signs of raging out of control. Of course, when we're in New York, that means what happens down there gets forced upon us up here.
I'm hoping the rapid rise in positive cases is just an example of 1) the lag in testing and 2) people who have come back from overseas or more heavily infected regions who have quarantined themselves. I'm hoping and praying by next week we see signs of leveling out. If I start seeing signs of "community spread" getting nearer, I'll probably get really discouraged.
Truth be told, I just want to get back to normal life. This bothers me... and it doesn't even really directly affect me yet, that's the worst part!
Yes, I'd love to go to the store without fear of getting sick and dying, our library is shut down, the community pool is closed, the water park is closed, spring training is closed, church is risky ... so...I feel like a hermit.
We're not going to get back to any type of normalcy for a couple of months and I think that's being conservative unfortunately.
This feeling seems to be worse than 9-11 for me ... we were able to move about "freely" afterwards with some precautions in place -- this virus has taken some of those freedoms away for us who are elder and health compromised.
I keep telling myself this too shall pass. We'll get through this!!
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Just got an alert from CNN
West Virginia has first case.
It’s in all 50 states now.
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Darn, W.Va. finally got its first confirmed case. :crying:
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Darn, W.Va. finally got its first confirmed case. :crying:
Is it someone who traveled outside the U.S. or someone visiting W. VA ?
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Darn, W.Va. finally got its first confirmed case. :crying:
Oh! Sorry!!
I saw the baseball meme on FB about how WVa is fighting off the virus compared to other states, and I thought it was hilarious!
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Only problem is, I sat and watched the newscast for about 15 minutes. Spring break seems to be in full swing at our local beach -- social distancing was supposed to be practiced -- groups of 10 or less .... well it worked well in the morning and by afternoon the kids got closer and closer together. Then they interviewed the mayor, she said, well, if it comes down to a mandate we'll close the beaches, but until then they will remain open. Spring breakers come from all over the country to our beaches in FL. Meanwhile we have 25 new cases today.
Most Ohio students go to Florida for spring break.
I hope they don’t get sick there and bring it back home!
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Is it someone who traveled outside the U.S. or someone visiting W. VA ?
Haven't heard. It's in the eastern panhandle, which is where a bunch of D.C. interlopers have settled. :laugh:
My sister told me today she and her husband were supposed to close on the sale of their rental house, but it was cancelled because of the virus. The buyer said there was no one to do whatever was needed to finalize his loan. Apparently, "working from home" doesn't necessarily mean "working." :thud:
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Haven't heard. It's in the eastern panhandle, which is where a bunch of D.C. interlopers have settled. :laugh:
My sister told me today she and her husband were supposed to close on the sale of their rental house, but it was cancelled because of the virus. The buyer said there was no one to do whatever was needed to finalize his loan. Apparently, "working from home" doesn't necessarily mean "working." :thud:
It sounds more likely that they got cold feet with cash flow concerns in the current environment. They may also expect interest rates to go lower and bailed out of the current arrangement.
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Darn, W.Va. finally got its first confirmed case. :crying:
Could be a rev-e-noo-er.
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French researcher posts successful Covid-19 drug trial
March 17, 2020
A renowned research professor in France has reported successful results from a new treatment for Covid-19, with early tests suggesting it can stop the virus from being contagious in just six days.
Professor Didier Raoult from infection hospital l'Institut Hospitalo-Universitaire (IHU) Méditerranée Infection in Marseille (Bouches-du-Rhône, Provence-Alpes-Côte d'Azur), published a video explaining the trials on Monday March 16.
Professor Raoult is an infectious diseases specialist and head of the IHU Méditerranée Infection, who has been tasked by - and consulted by - the French government to research possible treatments of Covid-19.
He said that the first Covid-19 patients he had treated with the drug chloroquine had seen a rapid and effective speeding up of their healing process, and a sharp decrease in the amount of time they remained contagious.
Chloroquine - which is normally used mainly to prevent and treat malaria - was administered via the named drug, Plaquenil. ...
More at ConnexionFrance (https://www.connexionfrance.com/French-news/French-researcher-in-Marseille-posts-successful-Covid-19-coronavirus-drug-trial-results)
Here's another story on this research (https://www.en24.news/a/2020/03/hydroxychloroquine-would-be-effective-according-to-professor-raoult-of-the-ihu-in-marseille-after-a-first-limited-test.html).
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My daughter spoke with a customer today that is an infectious disease specialist MD at Hoag hospital in Newport Beach.
He stated this thing is blown out of proportion.
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Could be a rev-e-noo-er.
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What a kind thought. I am sure my hillbilly cousins over in W (by God) Va appreciate your attempt to bring them cheer.
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French researcher posts successful Covid-19 drug trial
March 17, 2020
A renowned research professor in France has reported successful results from a new treatment for Covid-19, with early tests suggesting it can stop the virus from being contagious in just six days.
Professor Didier Raoult from infection hospital l'Institut Hospitalo-Universitaire (IHU) Méditerranée Infection in Marseille (Bouches-du-Rhône, Provence-Alpes-Côte d'Azur), published a video explaining the trials on Monday March 16.
Professor Raoult is an infectious diseases specialist and head of the IHU Méditerranée Infection, who has been tasked by - and consulted by - the French government to research possible treatments of Covid-19.
He said that the first Covid-19 patients he had treated with the drug chloroquine had seen a rapid and effective speeding up of their healing process, and a sharp decrease in the amount of time they remained contagious.
Chloroquine - which is normally used mainly to prevent and treat malaria - was administered via the named drug, Plaquenil. ... More at ConnexionFrance (https://www.connexionfrance.com/French-news/French-researcher-in-Marseille-posts-successful-Covid-19-coronavirus-drug-trial-results)
G-r-r-r-r-e-a-t news.
They'll get this thing licked, probably wouldn't hurt to say a few prayers.
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TP is a real problem because of the idiot hoarders.
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Stoking the hysteria doesn't help.
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TP is a real problem because of the idiot hoarders.
I saw a video clip of a younger woman literally grabbing TP out of the hands of an older woman and trying to put it in her cart.
Fortunately, two others were nearby, grabbed the package from the rotten thief and gave it back to the old woman.
Some people are just plain evil!
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TP is a real problem because of the idiot hoarders.
Just back for the first shopping trip since this blew up.
Store out of breakfast cereal, meat, potato chips. They did have Ice cream.
Give it a few days, and the panic will subside, because folks won't have room left to stockpile any more TP.
Apparently democrats are more worried, so they may be doing more panic buying proportionately.
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I saw a video clip of a younger woman literally grabbing TP out of the hands of an older woman and trying to put it in her cart.
Fortunately, two others were nearby, grabbed the package from the rotten thief and gave it back to the old woman.
Some people are just plain evil!
I would have beaten that woman with my cane. Don't mess with us old folks. LOL
Maybe it will be a good thing for supermarkets to have special shopping hours for seniors. I don't think too many older people would be ignorant enough to try to take something from another senior.
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Something for parents with kids..or even adults like me who like zoos and aquariums:
Bored kids can take a virtual field trip via zoo websites
Spring is the time for school field trips and outdoor activities — but maybe not this year. How to replace those favorite activities for the kids while they’re on their extra-long “spring break�
One idea comes from zoos around the country.
Kids can take a virtual animal safari via various zoos’ animal cameras and participate in their online animal activities.
https://triblive.com/lifestyles/more-lifestyles/bored-kids-can-take-a-virtual-field-trip-via-zoo-websites/?utm_source=second-street&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=TLB+3/17/2020
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Just back for the first shopping trip since this blew up.
Store out of breakfast cereal, meat, potato chips. They did have Ice cream.
Me too again... this was the second trip and now I am set. My main run was 60% filled yesterday, and the rest, mainly produce, landed today... To include white vinegar, so I can disinfect.
Now I can make at least another month without going back to town.
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I would have beaten that woman with my cane. Don't mess with us old folks. LOL
It's been days since there was TP. Maybe she really had to poop. Jussayin... :whistle:
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My daughter spoke with a customer today that is an infectious disease specialist MD at Hoag hospital in Newport Beach.
He stated this thing is blown out of proportion.
I stayed at a Holiday Inn last night and I agree.
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Odd.... that the Saudis' action on oil concides with the CV outbreak. Almost like a double-whammy was orchestrated, planned and carried out. 888mouth
Yeah, how 'bout that? :shrug: :whistle:
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Yes, I'd love to go to the store without fear of getting sick and dying, our library is shut down, the community pool is closed, the water park is closed, spring training is closed, church is risky ... so...I feel like a hermit.
We're not going to get back to any type of normalcy for a couple of months and I think that's being conservative unfortunately.
This feeling seems to be worse than 9-11 for me ... we were able to move about "freely" afterwards with some precautions in place -- this virus has taken some of those freedoms away for us who are elder and health compromised.
I keep telling myself this too shall pass. We'll get through this!!
Just remember it's more dangerous to drive to the store...(102 fatalities per day in the US), and crossing the street on foot is dangerous, too (16 dead a day crossing the street), so going on foot might not be an option.
Those are averages, so if you time your store trip right, driving might be a little safer...
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G-r-r-r-r-e-a-t news.
They'll get this thing licked, probably wouldn't hurt to say a few prayers.
This is something Laura Ingraham (and I'm not a huge fan of hers but was impressed with her show last night) was talking about last night. I am hoping they are able to rush approval of this quickly, since this is at least the third successful trial of this drug.
Let's get this done.
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This is something Laura Ingraham (and I'm not a huge fan of hers but was impressed with her show last night) was talking about last night. I am hoping they are able to rush approval of this quickly, since this is at least the third successful trial of this drug.
Let's get this done.
I wonder if it can be manufactured in large volumes quickly. This drug has a lot of history behind it so there shouldn't be any surprises. It will also free up hospital beds.
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I am hoping they are able to rush approval of this quickly, since this is at least the third successful trial of this drug.
Let's get this done.
First step, get the lawyers out of the way. Once that's accomplished, you can pretty much do anything.
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You make an excellent point here.
Arguing about mortality rates is not really relevant discussion.
It’s a disease that is doing great harm, spreading extremely rapidly
You are entirely missing the point here.
Stating facts like it is a hundred times more likely to die getting killed in a car or contracting the flu compared to the CV virus places things in perspective.
And stating facts like that causes one to wonder where the 'great harm' is coming from. It is not the disease. It is people's reaction to the disease.
If you say that is arguing, then that is your prerogative.
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I would have beaten that woman with my cane. Don't mess with us old folks. LOL
Maybe it will be a good thing for supermarkets to have special shopping hours for seniors. I don't think too many older people would be ignorant enough to try to take something from another senior.
We’ve been waiting for our Kroger to announce that.
Although I think the craziness will die down (hopefully soon) the elderly who aren’t as feisty as WE are need some time of their own to get what they actually need.
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Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDQw21ntR64#)
Are these Democrat voters going to the polls?
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You are entirely missing the point here.
Stating facts like it is a hundred times more likely to die getting killed in a car or contracting the flu compared to the CV virus places things in perspective.
And stating facts like that causes one to wonder where the 'great harm' is coming from. It is not the disease. It is people's reaction to the disease.
If you say that is arguing, then that is your prerogative.
I don’t think a single person here needs to be told that more people die other ways than from this virus.
But I believe it is shortsighted to minimize the danger of an unknown virus that spreads easily and rapidly and sometimes has no symptoms.
Overreacting is folly, but ignoring medical, scientific reality is potentially fatal.
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We believe our role serving customers and the community during this time is a critical one, and we want to make sure our customers can get the items they need, when they need them. As COVID-19 has spread, we've recently seen an increase in people shopping online which has had an impact on how we serve our customers. So in the short term, we are making the decision to temporarily prioritize household staples, medical supplies and other high demand products coming into our fulfillment centers so we can more quickly receive, restock and ship these products to customers. We are working around the clock with our selling partners to ensure availability of these essential products, and continue to bring on additional capacity to deliver customer orders. March 17, 2020.
Anthem's Response to COVID-19 (https://blog.aboutamazon.com/company-news/amazons-actions-to-help-employees-communities-and-customers-affected-by-covid-19/?_encoding=UTF8&token=GW&utm_content=COVID-19_roundup&utm_medium=swm&utm_source=gateway&utm_term=gw03162020&ref_=nav_swm_swm_covid_19&pf_rd_p=e42d40b4-280f-4d92-bf06-295c2ff2f025&pf_rd_s=nav-sitewide-msg&pf_rd_t=4201&pf_rd_i=navbar-4201&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=PMVPC8TDZ1G3H3VAFFFJ)
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Are these Democrat voters going to the polls?
No. It’s rational people on this forum who take this disease seriously.
@Bigun can’t seem to control his mockery. *****rollingeyes*****
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So ... smoking pot and doing other drugs just may keep the virus away. Got it. *****rollingeyes*****
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So ... smoking pot and doing other drugs just may keep the virus away. Got it. *****rollingeyes*****
Hold on now...you may be on to something! 333cleo 333cleo 333cleo 333cleo 333cleo 333cleo 333cleo 333cleo 333cleo
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G-r-r-r-r-e-a-t news.
They'll get this thing licked, probably wouldn't hurt to say a few prayers.
@TomSea Hopefully this news is accurate. I question as France has over 7,500 cases of coronavirus and is in complete lockdown.
It never hurts to say few prayers.
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This is true pure innocent love
https://i.imgur.com/p6dFz8V.mp4
She is 'in love'.
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Hold on now...you may be on to something! 333cleo 333cleo 333cleo 333cleo 333cleo 333cleo 333cleo 333cleo 333cleo
...and there's always a couple shots of Scotch in hot tea to help cure the common cold....who knows? :whistle:
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...and there's always a couple shots of Scotch in hot tea to help cure the common cold....who knows? :whistle:
Kinda like a half a bottle of Cuervo, roll up in your bedroll and burn the thing out...
Been there done that.
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Kinda like a half a bottle of Cuervo, roll up in your bedroll and burn the thing out...
Been there done that.
Would that also be near a campfire or wood stove?
I was a tequila drinker before I discovered Scotch which was after I drank a wee bit too much tequila in my younger years. It took me a long time before I'd even look at it again.
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@TomSea Hopefully this news is accurate. I question as France has over 7,500 cases of coronavirus and is in complete lockdown.
It's consistent with other studies regarding chloroquine so far. Problem is, hardly anyone is getting the drug yet and the official line still remains "there are no treatments."
What is the WHO waiting for?
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Some of the advice absolutely sounds like a phobia, even if you are getting food home-delivered, I thought I was reading, spray that package down with disinfectant, I havem't seen any disinfectant on the shelves, I have some and then, also. a few things like Spic N Span, stuff that is still suppose to kill bacteria but it's far from Lysol.
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...and there's always a couple shots of Scotch in hot tea to help cure the common cold....who knows? :whistle:
I could make something with the Everclear left over from the Hand Sanitizer project. :yowsa:
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Would that also be near a campfire or wood stove?
Yeah... Don't belch or you'll REALLY burn it out.
I was a tequila drinker before I discovered Scotch which was after I drank a wee bit too much tequila in my younger years. It took me a long time before I'd even look at it again.
Cactus juice is my bane. I don't even like it. but I can't put it down. I smell the cork, I eat the worm.
Bourbon neat is my thing in likker. That and shine. All the rest can go hang. Except my sometimes friend Jose, who butts in and camps out at my house.
I can do scotch rocks. Don't really like it, but my Uncle Johnny does... So I have acquired something like a tolerance.
Peppermint Schnapps is what I cannot stand. brings a shudder just sniffing it. Got way to drunk on that once, schnapps and pickled pigs feet. The combination turned out to be a poor decision late in the night. Now I cannot tolerate it at all. I will be ill. Greeks. Never again.
But mostly beer, if at all. I am far away from my brilliantly misspent yoot. I just don't go there nowadays. mostly sweet tea and lemonade.
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Some of the advice absolutely sounds like a phobia, even if you are getting food home-delivered, I thought I was reading, spray that package down with disinfectant, I have seen any disinfectant on the shelves, I have some and then, also. a few things like Spic N Span, stuff that is still suppose to kill bacteria but it's far from Lysol.
No disinfectant? Nothing better than bleach and water in a spray bottle. No way would I spray a package of food, whether wrapped or in a plastic or paper bag down with Lysol or any disinfectant. Logic needs to apply. You put the bag of groceries you picked up from the store or food delivered and put the bag on the counter. You wash your hands. You then take the food out of the bag and put the groceries either in the pantry or the refrigerator or you take the food out of the bag and place it on another counter. You then dispose of the bag. You spray the counter that you placed the bag on with a 75/25 solution of bleach and water. Let the counter air dry. Wash your hands again.
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No disinfectant? Nothing better than bleach and water in a spray bottle. No way would I spray a package of food, whether wrapped or in a plastic or paper bag down with Lysol or any disinfectant. Logic needs to apply. You put the bag of groceries you picked up from the store or food delivered and put the bag on the counter. You wash your hands. You then take the food out of the bag and put the groceries either in the pantry or the refrigerator or you take the food out of the bag and place it on another counter. You then dispose of the bag. You spray the counter that you placed the bag on with a 75/25 solution of bleach and water. Let the counter air dry. Wash your hands again.
Same, but white vinegar. And I'll shoot it n everything, to include the produce. A quick rise, and it's fine.
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Yeah... Don't belch or you'll REALLY burn it out.
Cactus juice is my bane. I don't even like it. but I can't put it down. I smell the cork, I eat the worm.
Bourbon neat is my thing in likker. That and shine. All the rest can go hang. Except my sometimes friend Jose, who butts in and camps out at my house.
I can do scotch rocks. Don't really like it, but my Uncle Johnny does... So I have acquired something like a tolerance.
Peppermint Schnapps is what I cannot stand. brings a shudder just sniffing it. Got way to drunk on that once, schnapps and pickled pigs feet. The combination turned out to be a poor decision late in the night. Now I cannot tolerate it at all. I will be ill. Greeks. Never again.
But mostly beer, if at all. I am far away from my brilliantly misspent yoot. I just don't go there nowadays. mostly sweet tea and lemonade.
Indeed Schnapps of any kind is just plain nasty. :beer:
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Same, but white vinegar. And I'll shoot it n everything, to include the produce. A quick rise, and it's fine.
....hmm white vinegar to spray on the food ... good suggestion and definitely a habit to get into these day. Thanks.
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....hmm white vinegar to spray on the food ... good suggestion and definitely a habit to get into these day. Thanks.
NP... :beer:
Allergic to chlorine, so its a thing...
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OK, shit just got real. Nevada just closed all casinos and restaurants, effective Noon PDT tomorrow.
Nevada's governor shutters casinos, restaurants
By Michelle L. Price and Scott Sonner - Associated Press - Updated: 9:42 p.m. on Tuesday, March 17, 2020
LAS VEGAS — Nevada’s governor ordered a monthlong closure of casinos and other non-essential businesses like bars, movie theaters and gyms starting noon Wednesday and restaurants to shutter their dining rooms and only offer takeout or delivery in order to stem the spread of the new coronavirus.
The order from Democrat Steve Sisolak Tuesday night follows similar moves by more than 10 other governors as states scramble to mitigate the risk of exposure to COVID-19.
Sisolak’s order gave thousands of businesses in the tourism capital less than a day to prepare. Though a number of casinos started to close their doors this week, the governor’s sweeping order shutters Nevada’s main industry, anchored by glitzy casinos lining the Las Vegas Strip.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/mar/17/steve-sisolak-nevada-governor-closes-casinos-resta/ (https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/mar/17/steve-sisolak-nevada-governor-closes-casinos-resta/)
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OK, shit just got real. Nevada just closed all casinos and restaurants, effective Noon PDT tomorrow.
Naw. THIS is where it got real:
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-ireland-closes-all-pubs-days-before-st-patricks-day-11958078
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No disinfectant? Nothing better than bleach and water in a spray bottle. No way would I spray a package of food, whether wrapped or in a plastic or paper bag down with Lysol or any disinfectant. Logic needs to apply. You put the bag of groceries you picked up from the store or food delivered and put the bag on the counter. You wash your hands. You then take the food out of the bag and put the groceries either in the pantry or the refrigerator or you take the food out of the bag and place it on another counter. You then dispose of the bag. You spray the counter that you placed the bag on with a 75/25 solution of bleach and water. Let the counter air dry. Wash your hands again.
Isn't that really hard on your lungs?
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I'd recommend everyone read this:
WSJ: Lessons From Italy’s Hospital Meltdown. ‘Every Day You Lose, the Contagion Gets Worse.’
https://www.wsj.com/articles/every-day-you-lose-the-contagion-gets-worse-lessons-from-italys-hospital-meltdown-11584455470 (https://www.wsj.com/articles/every-day-you-lose-the-contagion-gets-worse-lessons-from-italys-hospital-meltdown-11584455470)
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Isn't that really hard on your lungs?
(Hopefully not). Right now I'm using 75/25. I usually use 50/50 and I spray less during the summer. I open the front and lanai doors and we normally get a nice breeze and the fumes don't linger for very long. I rinse the counters with just plain water afterwards.
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Naw. THIS is where it got real:
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-ireland-closes-all-pubs-days-before-st-patricks-day-11958078
And two of my kids are in Ireland this very day!
Looks like, from the photos, that the hotel pub was open, though! :beer:
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OK, shit just got real. Nevada just closed all casinos and restaurants, effective Noon PDT tomorrow.
Nevada's governor shutters casinos, restaurants
By Michelle L. Price and Scott Sonner - Associated Press - Updated: 9:42 p.m. on Tuesday, March 17, 2020
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/mar/17/steve-sisolak-nevada-governor-closes-casinos-resta/ (https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/mar/17/steve-sisolak-nevada-governor-closes-casinos-resta/)
...another sector of the hospitality industry that the gov't (we) will be bailing out.
...ummm.... there's no getting out from under this. Trump said we can refinance our debt ... I think that was one of his feel good responses.
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And two of my kids are in Ireland this very day!
Looks like, from the photos, that the hotel pub was open, though! :beer:
It boggles me. I cannot imagine a nation of Micks and not a pub in sight. Some of those pubs were in continual operation since ROME.
It's just craziness.
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No disinfectant? Nothing better than bleach and water in a spray bottle. No way would I spray a package of food, whether wrapped or in a plastic or paper bag down with Lysol or any disinfectant. Logic needs to apply. You put the bag of groceries you picked up from the store or food delivered and put the bag on the counter. You wash your hands. You then take the food out of the bag and put the groceries either in the pantry or the refrigerator or you take the food out of the bag and place it on another counter. You then dispose of the bag. You spray the counter that you placed the bag on with a 75/25 solution of bleach and water. Let the counter air dry. Wash your hands again.
@libertybele
Very helpful, thanks.
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It boggles me. I cannot imagine a nation of Micks and not a pub in sight. Some of those pubs were in continual operation since ROME.
It's just craziness.
The infection rate is spiking there too.
I guess every country wants it’s citizens to survive. :shrug:
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(Hopefully not). Right now I'm using 75/25. I usually use 50/50 and I spray less during the summer. I open the front and lanai doors and we normally get a nice breeze and the fumes don't linger for very long. I rinse the counters with just plain water afterwards.
Two or three fingers in the bottom of a spray bottle is a pretty hot mix. That'll pull stains out of raw wood.
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@libertybele
Very helpful, thanks.
Oh ... forget that after counters dry, rinse with plain water.
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Two or three fingers in the bottom of a spray bottle is a pretty hot mix. That'll pull stains out of raw wood.
I only use on the kitchen counters and stainless sinks -- then I rinse with water. ...hmmm... guess, I should go back to the 50/50 solution.
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Governor Cuomo said as below in tweet, apparently on the Rachel Maddow show:
Robby Starbuck@robbystarbuck
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"I had a very good conversation with the President. I said I wanna work with you. Let’s do what we’re elected to do. He said yes. I believe he’s sincere. More than belief he has ACTED Rachel. I believe he’s doing what he has to do & I respect him for it"
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https://twitter.com/robbystarbuck/status/1240083819212005377
From the video at the link, apparently Cuomo said (see captions not the oral part) that the virus won't peak for 45 days, nonetheless, I will try all I can for the next 15 days and then, continue to play it by ear.
So, politics aside, good to see Governor Cuomo with this praise.
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Peppermint Schnapps is what I cannot stand. brings a shudder just sniffing it.
Well @roamer_1 I guess you won't be joining the dead of winter Pinocle Club at the Devil's Lake (N.D.) feed store anytime soon!
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I only use on the kitchen counters and stainless sinks -- then I rinse with water. ...hmmm... guess, I should go back to the 50/50 solution.
Typical chlorox disinfectant mix is around 16 :1 (a cup in a gallon of water...)
3 fingers in a spray bottle is around 8:1 and is used as I said to bleach out stains in wood... That is fairly caustic.
Do what you do, your business and all, but I don't think you are getting any more value as a disinfectant with such a hot mix. And even 8:1 (plenty hot) would be easier on your lungs and skin.
Jussayin.
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Well @roamer_1 I guess you won't be joining the dead of winter Pinocle Club at the Devil's Lake (N.D.) feed store anytime soon!
There must be some obscure reference in that @Bigun , but I do not know what it is... :shrug:
But yeah... If there is schnapps, there will not be me. happy77
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Typical chlorox disinfectant mix is around 16 :1 (a cup in a gallon of water...)
3 fingers in a spray bottle is around 8:1 and is used as I said to bleach out stains in wood... That is fairly caustic.
Do what you do, your business and all, but I don't think you are getting any more value as a disinfectant with such a hot mix. And even 8:1 (plenty hot) would be easier on your lungs and skin.
Jussayin.
Well, I've been using 50/50 for years ... and I keep the windows open, but you make a really valid point. Thank you. (No wonder my daughter hates the smell of bleach now.)
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I guess every country wants it’s citizens to survive. :shrug:
Sober Irishmen? I dunno if they can survive that. :laugh:
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In Coronavirus Testing Ramp-Up, U.S. Called Private Sector in Late
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-17/coronavirus-testing-shortage-u-s-called-private-sector-too-late (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-17/coronavirus-testing-shortage-u-s-called-private-sector-too-late)
“We’re so far behind this thing at this point. And the reason we’re so far behind is because we’ve had so little testing,†said Ashish Jha, director of the Harvard Global Health Institute.
“This is such a rapidly moving infection that losing a few days is bad, and losing a couple of weeks is terrible,†Jha said. “Losing 2 months is close to disastrous, and that’s what we did.â€
On Feb. 29, after weeks of criticism from state health officials, the Food and Drug Administration lifted a key regulatory hurdle and let lab companies and hospitals more easily test patients for the virus. The government’s tight initial control over who could do diagnostic work has been called a “failing†by Anthony Fauci, the director of the U.S. National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases. Then, on Monday the agency went further, allowing states to clear tests from local labs — a move that will increase the number of tests, but give up part of the FDA's role. The new policy “does carry risks,†such as problems with tests, FDA Commissioner Stephen Hahn said in a briefing with reporters Monday night.
more at link
This video is all over twitter.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=3f4J07tGTo0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3f4J07tGTo0#)
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I'd recommend everyone read this:
WSJ: Lessons From Italy’s Hospital Meltdown. ‘Every Day You Lose, the Contagion Gets Worse.’
https://www.wsj.com/articles/every-day-you-lose-the-contagion-gets-worse-lessons-from-italys-hospital-meltdown-11584455470 (https://www.wsj.com/articles/every-day-you-lose-the-contagion-gets-worse-lessons-from-italys-hospital-meltdown-11584455470)
I cannot get behind the pay wall.
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Here's an article that I'm not putting much hope in BUT, it's noteworthy all the same.
China Endorses Avigan / Favipiravir For COVID-19 Disease Treatment
Avigan Favipiravir (T-705) is a broad-spectrum inhibitor of viral RNA polymerase
March 17, 2020 – China's health leadership announced they have found the Japanese-developed anti-influenza drug Avigan to be effective in treating COVID-19 disease patients.
Zhang Xinmin, China’s director of the National Center for Biotechnology Development said Avigan (Favipiravir) was found to be effective in 2 clinical trials completed in Wuhan and Shenzhen and involved 240 patients and 80 patients respectively.
During a conference in Beijing on March 17, 2020, Zhang said the medicine worked for coronavirus-related symptoms including pneumonia and had no obvious side effects.
Read more at: https://www.precisionvaccinations.com/avigan-favipiravir-t-705-broad-spectrum-inhibitor-viral-rna-polymerase (https://www.precisionvaccinations.com/avigan-favipiravir-t-705-broad-spectrum-inhibitor-viral-rna-polymerase)
And on the other hand, maybe they have something.
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I cannot get behind the pay wall.
Try this.
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/every-day-you-lose-the-contagion-gets-worse-lessons-from-italys-hospital-meltdown/ar-BB11kAn0?li=AAgfIYZ (https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/every-day-you-lose-the-contagion-gets-worse-lessons-from-italys-hospital-meltdown/ar-BB11kAn0?li=AAgfIYZ)
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Try this.
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/every-day-you-lose-the-contagion-gets-worse-lessons-from-italys-hospital-meltdown/ar-BB11kAn0?li=AAgfIYZ (https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/every-day-you-lose-the-contagion-gets-worse-lessons-from-italys-hospital-meltdown/ar-BB11kAn0?li=AAgfIYZ)
Thank you!
...Now, people wait an hour on the phone to report heart attacks, Dr. Giupponi said, because all the lines are busy. Each day, his team fields 2,500 calls and brings 1,500 people to the hospital. “That’s not counting those the first responders visit but tell to stay home and call again if their condition worsens,†he said.
Ambulance staff weren’t trained for such a contagious virus. Many have become infected and their ambulances contaminated. A dispatcher died of the disease Saturday. Diego Bianco was in his mid-40s and had no prior illnesses.
“He never met patients. He only answered the phone. That shows you the contamination is everywhere,†a colleague said. Mr. Bianco’s co-workers sat Sunday at the operations center with masks on their faces and fear in their eyes....
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Try this.
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/every-day-you-lose-the-contagion-gets-worse-lessons-from-italys-hospital-meltdown/ar-BB11kAn0?li=AAgfIYZ (https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/every-day-you-lose-the-contagion-gets-worse-lessons-from-italys-hospital-meltdown/ar-BB11kAn0?li=AAgfIYZ)
@DB
@bigheadfred
Thank you.
Frightful article.
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Melania Offers Advice on What to Do While Stuck at Home in Lockdown
written by Paul Goldberg March 18, 2020
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The Hill reports first lady Melania Trump encouraged those staying home amid the coronavirus pandemic to use the time to reconnect with loved ones online, spend time with family or simply pick up a book.
The first lady also shared a message for St. Patrick’s Day on Tuesday, encouraging those at home to celebrate despite Americans across the country practicing social distancing to slow the spread of the coronavirus.
“While things are different this year, and the focus is to keep each other safe & healthy, don’t forget to celebrate special events & occasions,†she tweeted.
(https://theconservativeopinion.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Screen-Shot-2020-03-18-at-2.42.31-AM.png)
Read more at: https://newsthud.com/melania-offers-advice-on-what-to-do-while-stuck-at-home-in-lockdown/
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Published 2 hours ago
People with blood type A might be more susceptible to coronavirus, study finds
FOX News (https://www.foxnews.com/health/people-blood-type-a-might-susceptible-coronavirus-study-finds)
People with blood type A might be more vulnerable to the coronavirus, while those with type O blood could be more resistant, according to a new preliminary study from China.
Researchers studying COVID-19 in its outbreak epicenter, Wuhan, and the city of Shenzhen found the proportion of Type-A patients both infected and killed by the disease to be “significantly†higher than those with the same blood type in the general public.
Type O patients, meanwhile, made up a smaller proportion of both those infected and killed by the virus. ...
Oops. Editing post to note that Myst posted this story as a standalone thread here: http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,395301.0.html (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,395301.0.html)
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Wise advise. I think more than anything, at least for us seniors is to enjoy the simplier things we had before the electronic age. Yesterday, I sat on the back patio, cataloging and enumerating frequency of bird species. I pulled out some old vinyl, and listened to old music of my youth. Yes those old scratches add to the charm and the experience. & Do some slow dance numbers with your spouse, while you are at it. :cool:
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I don’t think a single person here needs to be told that more people die other ways than from this virus.
But I believe it is shortsighted to minimize the danger of an unknown virus that spreads easily and rapidly and sometimes has no symptoms.
Overreacting is folly, but ignoring medical, scientific reality is potentially fatal.
Over-reaction does indeed kill people, especially those with scientifically-proven medical emergencies that cannot be treated as resources are diverted to covering a virus that has scientifically been found to have less chances of killing you.
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I'd recommend everyone read this:
WSJ: Lessons From Italy’s Hospital Meltdown. ‘Every Day You Lose, the Contagion Gets Worse.’
https://www.wsj.com/articles/every-day-you-lose-the-contagion-gets-worse-lessons-from-italys-hospital-meltdown-11584455470 (https://www.wsj.com/articles/every-day-you-lose-the-contagion-gets-worse-lessons-from-italys-hospital-meltdown-11584455470)
Italy's and Iran's mortality numbers are not good at all.
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Over-reaction does indeed kill people, especially those with scientifically-proven medical emergencies that cannot be treated as resources are diverted to covering a virus that has scientifically been found to have less chances of killing you.
My best estimate is also that over-reaction has wiped our $5-10 T in the past week in country's wealth. (some blame goes to the Oil war).
This is a serious matter, but sadly "bat shit crazy" has replaced "common sense" on a massive scale.
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My best estimate is also that over-reaction has wiped our $5-10 T in the past week in country's wealth. (some blame goes to the Oil war).
This is a serious matter, but sadly "bat shit crazy" has replaced "common sense" on a massive scale.
Ain't no sense in sayin it... Nobody's listening.
***hair on fire
But you're right all the same.
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US Chamber of Commerce opposing proposal to encourage domestic medical manufacturing.
Marco Rubio
@marcorubio
I believe in capitalism 100% because the market always reaches the most efficient outcome.
BUT in those instances when the most efficient outcome is in conflict with our security,like making all our medicine in #China,we have to act.
Tom Cotton
@SenTomCotton
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Providing cash to small businesses now is the surest tool we have to prevent a prolonged economic downturn.
My plan increases the cap on small-business disaster loans from $2 million to $20 million and grants low-interest loans to businesses immediately.
Marco Rubio
@marcorubio
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1h
Those arguing that @potus
& GOP has abandoned their commitment to free market principles in favor of “bailouts†are missing a key point.
#COVID19 is a national emergency and government edicts have prohibited significant sectors of the free market economy from operating.
Tom Cotton
@SenTomCotton
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We don't have to reinvent the wheel to get cash into the hands of American workers who need it.
We should leverage existing systems—like unemployment insurance—to provide direct assistance to families across the country.
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Normally I wouldn’t bother posting this here because it’s kinda local. I decided to post when I saw who the author and photographer is.
Thomas E. Franklin is Assistant Professor in Multiplatform Journalism at Montclair State University. With 30 years' experience in the newspaper business, he is perhaps best known for his iconic flag-raising photograph taken at Ground Zero on 9/11.
Pictures say a thousand words.
https://www.njspotlight.com/2020/03/freeze-frame-a-day-in-the-life-of-new-jersey-amid-the-pandemic/ (https://www.njspotlight.com/2020/03/freeze-frame-a-day-in-the-life-of-new-jersey-amid-the-pandemic/)
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US Chamber of Commerce opposing proposal to encourage domestic medical manufacturing.
These bast*rds need to be completely stripped of any influence. They are our enemy.
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This video is all over twitter.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=3f4J07tGTo0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3f4J07tGTo0#)
The Bulwark has created there own video of President Trump's distortions and minimizing of danger.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfPk1HIBLfM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfPk1HIBLfM#)
You probably don't need to watch it as these are the same clips the democrats will be running wall to wall in their election ads this fall.
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Italy's and Iran's mortality numbers are not good at all.
I do not trust numbers out of Iran. I suspect it is far more widely infected than reported.
But Italy is very concerning. For a few days, they have been selecting who gets the next available ventilator based upon age, likelihood of survival, etc.
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These bast*rds need to be completely stripped of any influence. They are our enemy.
Didn't realize it, but the Chamber of Commerce has been the largest lobby in U.S. at least the past 15 consecutive years. It could be more, but that is as far back data that I could find.
Of course they are funded by larger retail, who do not want to lose market share to upstarts.
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Didn't realize it, but the Chamber of Commerce has been the largest lobby in U.S. at least the past 15 consecutive years. It could be more, but that is as far back data that I could find.
Of course they are funded by larger retail, who do not want to lose market shares to upstarts.
Any body whose sole interest is the bottom line should not be allowed to dictate American economic and, basically, foreign policy.
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Not to sound like I am wearing a tin foil hat, but...............
......was Operation Jade Helm a prelude to this?
Did the FedGov know this was coming as far back as 2016?
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There must be some obscure reference in that @Bigun , but I do not know what it is... :shrug:
But yeah... If there is schnapps, there will not be me. happy77
@roamer_1
My old Army buddy (Dave Throlson now deceased) is from Devils Lake. 54 years ago, his family pretty much owned the place and farmed 37 sections in the area. I was up there back then and there was a group of old men who, in the winter, spent their days sitting by the wood or coal-burning stove in the back of the feed store drinking peppermint schnapps and playing pinochle to pass the time. God help you if you got in a game and played the wrong card! They made a lasting impression on me. Crotchety bunch of old Swedes and Germans with a ton of wisdom. I'm sure they are all gone now.
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These bast*rds need to be completely stripped of any influence. They are our enemy.
:yowsa: pointing-up
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The Bulwark has created there own video of President Trump's distortions and minimizing of danger.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfPk1HIBLfM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfPk1HIBLfM#)
You probably don't need to watch it as these are the same clips the democrats will be running wall to wall in their election ads this fall.
Keep 'em coming! :silly: :rolling:
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@roamer_1
My old Army buddy (Dave Throlson now deceased) is from Devils Lake. 54 years ago, his family pretty much owned the place and farmed 37 sections in the area. I was up there back then and there was a group of old men who, in the winter, spent their days sitting by the wood or coal-burning stove in the back of the feed store drinking peppermint schnapps and playing pinochle to pass the time. God help you if you got in a game and played the wrong card! They made a lasting impression on me. Crotchety bunch of old Swedes and Germans with a ton of wisdom. I'm sure they are all gone now.
@Bigun
:beer:
I have seen many similar, and good on ya...
My favorite would be an ol general store with a pot bellied stove and an actual cracker barrel...
The duffers played cribbage on the porch in the summer, and moved it inside by the stove in the winter. But no shnapps. Mostly sweet tea, but if someone had it, a nip of the corn would not go wanting.
888high58888
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Keep 'em coming! :silly: :rolling:
Absolutely. No better way to build membership on a right leaning news forum than to post rat campaign ads.
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Not to sound like I am wearing a tin foil hat, but...............
......was Operation Jade Helm a prelude to this?
Did the FedGov know this was coming as far back as 2016?
If you just tin foil the whole house you don't need a hat.
Operation Jade Helm :silly: I had forgotten about that.
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Absolutely. No better way to build membership on a right leaning news forum than to post rat campaign ads.
My bad.
What I meant to write was "Fake News." "Democrat Hoax." "Trump-never-said-that-and-if-he-said-it-that's-not-what-he-meant."
No one should expect the President of the United States to own his words or be judicious in his statements. That is an unrealistic standard.
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Absolutely. No better way to build membership on a right leaning news forum than to post rat campaign ads.
Charlie Sykes and Bill Kristol of the Bulwark were republicans not that long ago. I doubt they will vote for a democrat more than once this election. The great news is a lot of the clips where President Trump denies the danger and distorts the figures are from Fox :yowsa:
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Local health facilities where I live are anticipating the peak to be in three weeks.
https://www.facebook.com/MayorMcDonald2020/posts/147795390043580 (https://www.facebook.com/MayorMcDonald2020/posts/147795390043580)
(Keep in mind this is an area that has no confirmed cases yet, though a handful are in self-isolation as a precaution. Apparently they are optimistic these lockdown/shutdown measures are working.)
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My bad.
What I meant to write was "Fake News." "Democrat Hoax." "Trump-never-said-that-and-if-he-said-it-that's-not-what-he-meant."
No one should expect the President of the United States to own his words or be judicious in his statements. That is an unrealistic standard.
You're right. Bill Kristol would never take Trump out of context. Lets get our 'facts' from him.
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You're right. Bill Kristol would never take Trump out of context. Lets get our 'facts' from him.
"Trump-never-said-that-and-if-he-said-it-that's-not-what-he-meant."
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Good source of info: https://ncov2019.live/
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Recovered-to-Deceased ratio:
Worldwide: 10.02
China: 21.50
Cases-to-recoveries ratio:
Worldwide: 2.48
China: 1.16
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86% of people with coronavirus are walking around undetected, study says
Jackie Salo | March 17, 2020 | 10:15am
“Stealth†coronavirus cases are fueling the pandemic, with a staggering 86% of people infected walking around undetected, a new study says.
Six of every seven cases – 86% — were not reported in China before travel restrictions were implemented, driving the spread of the virus, according to a study Monday in the journal Science (https://science.sciencemag.org/content/early/2020/03/13/science.abb3221).
https://nypost.com/2020/03/17/86-of-people-with-coronavirus-are-walking-around-undetected-study-says/
Two things to take away from this. First, for every known case based on symptoms (and subsequent testing), there are six other cases of infection without symptoms. Which means that in a country without widespread testing (such as the US), the number of infected is much larger than reported (as is the probability of transmission). But on the flip side, it means that the death rate is far lower than is being reported.
In areas that are performing more testing (e.g. Hong Kong, Germany, etc.), reported fatality rates should be much lower.
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we could have just dealt with this by realizing that some percent of people are going to die from it.... maybe 1-2% of people that come down with it.... like we do with every other illness that comes along, and have always done..... but for some reason we have decided that we are going to completely destroy the US and global economies over this.... pull out all of the stops to try to prevent those deaths, even if we sink into a global depression that will be almost impossible to pull out of...... and many more deaths.... orders of magnitude more..... are going to end up dying....
From my twitter feed and the guy is right as rain! The left is pulling out ALL the stops to prevent the re-election of Donald J. Trump.
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Over-reaction does indeed kill people, especially those with scientifically-proven medical emergencies that cannot be treated as resources are diverted to covering a virus that has scientifically been found to have less chances of killing you.
This was posted above: https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/every-day-you-lose-the-contagion-gets-worse-lessons-from-italys-hospital-meltdown/ar-BB11kAn0?li=AAgfIYZ (https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/every-day-you-lose-the-contagion-gets-worse-lessons-from-italys-hospital-meltdown/ar-BB11kAn0?li=AAgfIYZ)
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If you just tin foil the whole house you don't need a hat.
Operation Jade Helm :silly: I had forgotten about that.
I'm gonna tin-foil the whole damned neighborhood!
LOL
Actually, the year was 2015 when Operation Jade Helm was ran.
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From my twitter feed and the guy is right as rain! The left is pulling out ALL the stops to prevent the re-election of Donald J. Trump.
Of course they are. We should stop accommodating them but I guess the ball is rolling now and cannot be stopped.
It may be he comes out of this in even better political shape but the damage done by our overreaction will take years to repair.
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China: Avigan effective in tackling coronavirus
Tuesday, March 17, 9:14
China's government researchers say they have found the Japanese-developed anti-flu drug Avigan effective in treating patients infected with the new coronavirus and will promote its use.
Zhang Xinmin, director of the National Center for Biotechnology Development, named the drug at a news conference in Beijing on Tuesday.
He said the drug was found to be effective in clinical trials by two medical organizations in the country. He said the medicine worked for coronavirus-related symptoms including pneumonia and had no obvious side effects. ... More at NHK (https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20200317_48/)
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This was posted above: https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/every-day-you-lose-the-contagion-gets-worse-lessons-from-italys-hospital-meltdown/ar-BB11kAn0?li=AAgfIYZ (https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/every-day-you-lose-the-contagion-gets-worse-lessons-from-italys-hospital-meltdown/ar-BB11kAn0?li=AAgfIYZ)
Italy has a history of having worse health issues in situations like this.
Investigating the impact of influenza on excess mortality in all ages in Italy during recent seasons (2013/14–2016/17 seasons)
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1201971219303285 (https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1201971219303285)
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China: Avigan effective in tackling coronavirus
Tuesday, March 17, 9:14
China's government researchers say they have found the Japanese-developed anti-flu drug Avigan effective in treating patients infected with the new coronavirus and will promote its use.
Zhang Xinmin, director of the National Center for Biotechnology Development, named the drug at a news conference in Beijing on Tuesday.
He said the drug was found to be effective in clinical trials by two medical organizations in the country. He said the medicine worked for coronavirus-related symptoms including pneumonia and had no obvious side effects. ... More at NHK (https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20200317_48/)
Did they actually tell their people that the drug was from Japan?
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Of course they are. We should stop accommodating them but I guess the ball is rolling now and cannot be stopped.
It may be he comes out of this in even better political shape but the damage done by our overreaction will take years to repair.
I think the Rat Press response of trying to cast Trump in the worst possible light by ginning up a hoax is like grabbing a Chance Card in Monopoly. It's just as likely to backfire as it is to profit from this.
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I think the Rat Press response of trying to cast Trump in the worst possible light by ginning up a hoax is like grabbing a Chance Card in Monopoly. It's just as likely to backfire as it is to profit from this.
I think you are right. Much like the impeachment charade only with peoples well being/lives.
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I do not trust numbers out of Iran. I suspect it is far more widely infected than reported.
But Italy is very concerning. For a few days, they have been selecting who gets the next available ventilator based upon age, likelihood of survival, etc.
No reason too, you are absolutely correct but at the same time, I believe there was a story yesterday where an Iranian official did say millions could be infected.
Local health facilities where I live are anticipating the peak to be in three weeks.
https://www.facebook.com/MayorMcDonald2020/posts/147795390043580 (https://www.facebook.com/MayorMcDonald2020/posts/147795390043580)
(Keep in mind this is an area that has no confirmed cases yet, though a handful are in self-isolation as a precaution. Apparently they are optimistic these lockdown/shutdown measures are working.)
Governor Cuomo last night indeed said "peak" could be in about 45 days, okay, 45 days, 21 days.... Cuomo also praised Trump, that's up the thread a bit....
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https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/aggressive-testing-helps-italian-town-cut-new-coronavirus-cases-to-zero-1.4205354#.XnGiL82svgI.twitter (https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/aggressive-testing-helps-italian-town-cut-new-coronavirus-cases-to-zero-1.4205354#.XnGiL82svgI.twitter)
Aggressive testing helps Italian town cut new coronavirus cases to zero
An infection control experiment that was rolled out in a small Italian community at the start of Europe’s coronavirus crisis has stopped all new infections in the town that was at the centre of the country’s outbreak.
Through testing and retesting of all 3,300 inhabitants of the town of Vò, near Venice, regardless of whether they were exhibiting symptoms, and rigorous quarantining of their contacts once infection was confirmed, health authorities have been able to completely stop the spread of the illness there.
More at link
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I'm repeating, Governor Cuomo, most figures in authority are saying Trump is doing well.
In these instances, I hope people can see that as compared to some "pundit", a pundit is not going to generally be of much more help or importance than if one of us say something.
Bill Kristol says this? Yes, and what else would he say, his record is known. That's the thing, it will be much different if say, you hear Mark Levin questioning it or something.
Rand Paul, probably already reported, somehow, held up the vote last night about something.
Also, Dana Bash said Trump is doing well, and again, those are pundits or reporters views, far from being something of great import just like the Bulwark and Bill Kristol.
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I think the Rat Press response of trying to cast Trump in the worst possible light by ginning up a hoax is like grabbing a Chance Card in Monopoly. It's just as likely to backfire as it is to profit from this.
At this point they really are preaching to the choir - the only ones listening are those who want to hear what they're spreading.
I suppose this is good news.
But I wonder how easy it'll be for us to recover from the insanity they've ginned up.
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Yesterday we had to go to the Social Security office in Needles, CA to drop off some forms. There was a sign on the door, indicating the office is closed to the public effective yesterday morning, but people were there behind the locked doors. I called the number on the door and explained we had an appointment, and we're up against an important deadline.
A fellow came out to the car to accept the forms! He was just glad we had everything filled out (I had gotten the forms online) and we just needed to hand them in.
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https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/aggressive-testing-helps-italian-town-cut-new-coronavirus-cases-to-zero-1.4205354#.XnGiL82svgI.twitter (https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/aggressive-testing-helps-italian-town-cut-new-coronavirus-cases-to-zero-1.4205354#.XnGiL82svgI.twitter)
Aggressive testing helps Italian town cut new coronavirus cases to zero
An infection control experiment that was rolled out in a small Italian community at the start of Europe’s coronavirus crisis has stopped all new infections in the town that was at the centre of the country’s outbreak.
Through testing and retesting of all 3,300 inhabitants of the town of Vò, near Venice, regardless of whether they were exhibiting symptoms, and rigorous quarantining of their contacts once infection was confirmed, health authorities have been able to completely stop the spread of the illness there.
More at link
Okay, I don't know Italy's layout but this appears to be "Northern Italy" again. It is interesting that the problems in Italy are largely said to be that one area and hopefully, not the whole country.
Good article, someone mentioned something about the Herd in this matter, I don't know if they used the term this article does, "Herd Immunity" but there is some interesting comment on that.
Rather than extensive testing, countries including the UK and the Netherlands had been pursuing a “herd immunity†strategy, which involved allowing more people to catch the virus and develop immunity to it, as a way of building up resistance in the community, though these policies are changing as the crisis intensifies.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/aggressive-testing-helps-italian-town-cut-new-coronavirus-cases-to-zero-1.4205354#.XnGiL82svgI.twitter (https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/aggressive-testing-helps-italian-town-cut-new-coronavirus-cases-to-zero-1.4205354#.XnGiL82svgI.twitter)
So, we can all read the article on that part as well, for those interested. :pondering:
Oh, yes, also as a separate thread, the '86%' article was posted I believe in World News, it was mentioned, there or in this forum.
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Bill Kristol would never take Trump out of context.
Thank you for your reply @skeeter I wouldn't say that but the video is of Trump saying his words, and I find it harder than you do to blame Kristol for remembering Trump's words and inaction...even when Trump doesn't remember...and especially in light of President Trump now claiming he thought it was a Pandemic all along, and was waiting for us dummys to figure it out. He even specifically denied it was a pandemic...' cause he's joke-ster.
I felt it was a pandemic long before it was called a pandemic. All you had to do was look at other countries...no, I've always viewed it as very serious.
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President Trump did not close all the restaurants and casinos across the river from me. The Governor of NV did that.
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You know what would be great? If the posts on this thread had more to do with the virus, news about the virus, possible cures for the virus, precautions against the virus, the latest statistics on the virus ... than "orange man bad, me don't like him."
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President Trump did not close all the restaurants and casinos across the river from me. The Governor of NV did that.
The Gov of CA is now talking martial law... I don't know why...
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Thank you for your reply @skeeter I wouldn't say that but the video is of Trump saying his words, and I find it harder than you do to blame Kristol for remembering Trump's words and inaction...even when Trump doesn't remember...and especially in light of President Trump now claiming he thought it was a Pandemic all along, and was waiting for us dummys to figure it out. He even specifically denied it was a pandemic...' cause he's joke-ster.
Thank you for providing this edifying info @Once-Ler.
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Thank you for providing this edifying info @Once-Ler.
My pleasure. happy77
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The Gov of CA is now talking martial law... I don't know why...
It is the secret fantasy of every Democrat.
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@roamer_1
My old Army buddy (Dave Throlson now deceased) is from Devils Lake. 54 years ago, his family pretty much owned the place and farmed 37 sections in the area. I was up there back then and there was a group of old men who, in the winter, spent their days sitting by the wood or coal-burning stove in the back of the feed store drinking peppermint schnapps and playing pinochle to pass the time. God help you if you got in a game and played the wrong card! They made a lasting impression on me. Crotchety bunch of old Swedes and Germans with a ton of wisdom. I'm sure they are all gone now.
The kind of wisdom and common sense you describe is so rare these days. I know the Devil's Lake, ND area well. It remains a bastion of self-reliance and help-a-neighbor-in-need, salt of the earth place. Most in "civil" society would fail to recognize it, even mock it. I'm grateful I know it as do my sons.
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President Trump did not close all the restaurants and casinos across the river from me. The Governor of NV did that.
@Cyber Liberty
Sounds like a Governor who cares about the people in the state more than tourism dollars right now. Good to see your Governor is respecting President Trump's excellent 15 day guidelines. You must be proud of him or her.
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The kind of wisdom and common sense you describe is so rare these days. I know the Devil's Lake, ND area well. It remains a bastion of self-reliance and help-a-neighbor-in-need, salt of the earth place. Most in "civil" society would fail to recognize it, even mock it. I'm grateful I know it as do my sons.
@Lando Lincoln that is good to know. You like are acquainted with a few people named Throlson in that case.
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@Cyber Liberty
Sounds like a Governor who cares about the people in the state more than tourism dollars right now. Good to see your Governor is respecting President Trump's excellent 15 day guidelines. You must be proud of him or her.
He's not my Governor, I live in AZ just across the river from NV. My Governor has a slightly more level head. I'm just amazed a Governor would close all the casinos in NV. It takes a DemoRat. Well, anything in service to getting rid of the hated Trump. wink777
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He's not my Governor, I live in AZ just across the river from NV. My Governor has a slightly more level head. I'm just amazed a Governor would close all the casinos in NV. It takes a DemoRat. Well, anything in service to getting rid of the hated Trump. wink777
I wonder if they think they're going to be reimbursed by the federal government based on the number of disasters they proclaim? I really hope they aren't right...
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NY: Governor Cuomo ordered mass layoffs of 50% of every workforce in the state for "non-essential" business.
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NY: Governor Cuomo ordered mass layoffs of 50% of every workforce in the state for "non-essential" business.
I was beginning to think that perhaps Cuomo was raising his public profile with a mind to national office for himself in the near future but I guess not.
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If they shut the Brothels down I'm cancelling my drive up that way.
Nevada Brothels Stay Open With Promises to Increase Hand-Washing
By Kelly Gilblom
March 17, 2020, 12:23 PM CDT
The coronavirus may have stopped most of American life, but one pastime promises to persist. Nevada’s legal brothels say they are there for it.
The largest houses say they are still open, though they are taking precautions. For example, Chicken Ranch, in Pahrump said it will require brothel workers and staff to “wash their hands regularly and use hand sanitizers as needed,†according to a letter from its general manager. It’s also having staff take their temperatures daily.
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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-17/nevada-brothels-stay-open-with-promises-to-increase-hand-washing (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-17/nevada-brothels-stay-open-with-promises-to-increase-hand-washing)
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NY: Governor Cuomo ordered mass layoffs of 50% of every workforce in the state for "non-essential" business.
I cannot find anything on this.... would you have a link I could look at?
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I cannot find anything on this.... would you have a link I could look at?
https://twitter.com/JimmyVielkind/status/1240301231123435522
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He's not my Governor, I live in AZ just across the river from NV. My Governor has a slightly more level head. I'm just amazed a Governor would close all the casinos in NV. It takes a DemoRat. Well, anything in service to getting rid of the hated Trump. wink777
Obeying the President to pwn him. It's diabolical :smokin:
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From my twitter feed and the guy is right as rain! The left is pulling out ALL the stops to prevent the re-election of Donald J. Trump.
Brilliant. You should send that to Senator Cruz.
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NY: Governor Cuomo ordered mass layoffs of 50% of every workforce in the state for "non-essential" business.
Not to worry...they'll still be paid :laugh:
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Not to worry...they'll still be paid :laugh:
In toilet paper, I hope. The currency is rapidly becoming less valuable than TP.
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It may well be much worse if nothing is done.
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It may well be much worse if nothing is done.
"If nothing is done?" Plenty is being done!
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Just a reminder:
Everyone seems to be on Edge, and rightly so.
I get it, Conservatives are generally controlled, methodical people and something beyond their control wrecks havoc in their daily lives, realizing again that hope of any Fiscal Restraint by our Gov in this 'crisis' is depressing enough without us going at each other's throat.
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Just a reminder:
Everyone seems to be on Edge, and rightly so.
I get it, Conservatives are generally controlled, methodical people and something beyond their control wrecks havoc in their daily lives, realizing again that hope of any Fiscal Restraint by our Gov in this 'crisis' is depressing enough without us going at each other's throat.
That's a very nice sentiment @corbe
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ETZMqcNX0AEeEK2.jpg)
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@Lando Lincoln that is good to know. You like are acquainted with a few people named Throlson in that case.
@Bigun
I know of the Thoraldson family. They are the richest family in ND. Gary Thoraldson is the richest individual in the state. Originally from Dazey. Owns just about everything as I understand, including a couple hotels in Devils Lake.
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@Bigun
I know of the Thoraldson family. They are the richest family in ND. Gary Thoraldson is the richest individual in the state. Originally from Dazey. Owns just about everything as I understand, including a couple hotels in Devils Lake.
That is not how my friend spelled his last name @Lando Lincoln but there may well be a connection. These folks were all living around the little towns of Sheyenne and New Rockford at the time I was up there.
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"If nothing is done?" Plenty is being done!
Well, that came after the posts talking about money and salaries, I did not care to say that directly to anyone.
BUT, while we are here, workers are being asked in many cases to stay home, are they to totally forego salaries? As many are talking about the stipends workers may get in the future soon.
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Harris Faulkner's show is real good, a caller asked if mosquitoes might infect people, for the most part, no... the answer was a bit more involved for when summer comes.
Also, they were talking about smoking and vaping too, as far as cases among young people, smoking and vaping may be more problematic and plenty of young people are coming down with this and have to have urgent care.
Good show on Fox... I guess, it must be close to 24/7 corona now.... She's a good reporter and anchor.
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US coronavirus coordinator: Number of COVID-19 cases will 'dramatically increase' in next few days
by Zachary Halaschak
March 18, 2020 01:22 PM
A top doctor assisting the U.S. response to the coronavirus pandemic said there will be a large spike in confirmed coronavirus cases in the next few days as testing becomes more readily available.
Deborah Birx, the response coordinator for the White House Coronavirus Task Force, discussed “the curve†during Wednesday's briefing, referring to the number of confirmed cases as they would appear on a graph.
She also warned against panicking about the dramatic increase, noting the curve will stabilize after an initial influx of cases resulting from the increased testing rates.
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https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/us-coronavirus-coordinator-number-of-covid-19-cases-will-dramatically-increase-in-next-few-days (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/us-coronavirus-coordinator-number-of-covid-19-cases-will-dramatically-increase-in-next-few-days)
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The Gov of CA is now talking martial law... I don't know why...
That way they can shoot anyone who isn't too sick to go outside. :shrug:
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Reuters
@Reuters
The highly contagious novel #coronavirus can remain viable and infectious in droplets in the air for hours and on surfaces up to three days, according to a new study https://reut.rs/2IXpvPj
https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1240283063101165568
See, I'm a bit concerned about it going airborne, that would seem to mean that carpooling or even just sharing a car ride with someone could present problems.
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See, I'm a bit concerned about it going airborne, that would seem to mean that carpooling or even just sharing a car ride with someone could present problems.
I've already taken precautions that if I'm in a car with someone, for the time being, the windows remain open to reduce the risk of infection. That's what this whole social distancing thing is all about.
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I've already taken precautions that if I'm in a car with someone, for the time being, the windows remain open to reduce the risk of infection. That's what this whole social distancing thing is all about.
Farting helps
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I've already taken precautions that if I'm in a car with someone, for the time being, the windows remain open to reduce the risk of infection. That's what this whole social distancing thing is all about.
That's very helpful, thanks. Sometimes I will ride with a smoker, he's never coughed or sneezed in the car ever from what I remember but I've heard him before outside with a bit of a "smokers hack" and in times like this, it can be a concern. Otherwise, I have nothing against smoking.
In the end, I think everyone coughs some or nearly all.
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Strange times indeed, @roamer_1 I can still remember when you use to cough to cover a fart, now it's the opposite.
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US coronavirus coordinator: Number of COVID-19 cases will 'dramatically increase' in next few days
by Zachary Halaschak
March 18, 2020 01:22 PM
A top doctor assisting the U.S. response to the coronavirus pandemic said there will be a large spike in confirmed coronavirus cases in the next few days as testing becomes more readily available.
Deborah Birx, the response coordinator for the White House Coronavirus Task Force, discussed “the curve†during Wednesday's briefing, referring to the number of confirmed cases as they would appear on a graph.
She also warned against panicking about the dramatic increase, noting the curve will stabilize after an initial influx of cases resulting from the increased testing rates.
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https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/us-coronavirus-coordinator-number-of-covid-19-cases-will-dramatically-increase-in-next-few-days (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/us-coronavirus-coordinator-number-of-covid-19-cases-will-dramatically-increase-in-next-few-days)
The spike in confirmed cases will be an artifact of testing, not a measure of increased cases (the people infected were infected, it's just that once confirmed, they will suddenly be counted).
Despite knowing that the more who are tested, the more confirmed cases there will be, watch the MSM use that spike in confirmed cases (because they were tested and confirmed) be used against the Administration, and as cause to use even more draconian measures to "halt the spread" of the virus.
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Strange times indeed, @roamer_1 I can still remember when you use to cough to cover a fart, now it's the opposite.
LOL! That's right!
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Where we stand compared to the rest of the world, deaths from covid-19 per capita—still, at this point, measuring up very well so far:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ETaLXQIWsAYRi0o?format=png&name=small)
Source: https://twitter.com/NYHammond/status/1240332204204589057
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Strange times indeed, @roamer_1 I can still remember when you use to cough to cover a fart, now it's the opposite.
lol
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Strange times indeed, @roamer_1 I can still remember when you use to cough to cover a fart, now it's the opposite.
Upside down world...
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The spike in confirmed cases will be an artifact of testing, not a measure of increased cases (the people infected were infected, it's just that once confirmed, they will suddenly be counted).
Despite knowing that the more who are tested, the more confirmed cases there will be, watch the MSM use that spike in confirmed cases (because they were tested and confirmed) be used against the Administration, and as cause to use even more draconian measures to "halt the spread" of the virus.
The last major mass gatherings in the United States, where these spread the most, were the weekend of March 7 and 8. By tomorrow, 99% of cases that were caught in mass gatherings will have manifested themselves—half would have shown symptoms a few days ago. New cases should begin to level off once testing is caught up. Most people are going along with social distancing so new infections at this point SHOULD be slowing down... it's the lag in testing that's going to make it look like a continuing crisis.
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Foreign Disinformation Campaign Stoking Virus Fears: Report
By Bowen Xiao
A foreign disinformation campaign aimed to sow fear in the United States over the novel coronavirus is currently underway, according to a new report.
Three unnamed U.S. officials told The Associated Press that they began confronting on March 15 what they called a “deliberate effort by a foreign entity†to ignite fears of a nationwide quarantine. Federal agencies, such as the National Security Council, addressed such claims on March 15, saying they were false.
“Text message rumors of a national #quarantine are FAKE,†the council stated on its official Twitter account on March 15. “There is no national lockdown. @CDCgovhas and will continue to post the latest guidance on #COVID19.â€
More: https://www.theepochtimes.com/foreign-disinformation-campaign-stoking-virus-fears-report_3274374.html (https://www.theepochtimes.com/foreign-disinformation-campaign-stoking-virus-fears-report_3274374.html)
Other, Governor Abbot just talked, everything he said...77 year old man in a care home is Texas' 2nd death.
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Despite knowing that the more who are tested, the more confirmed cases there will be, watch the MSM use that spike in confirmed cases (because they were tested and confirmed) be used against the Administration, and as cause to use even more draconian measures to "halt the spread" of the virus.
I'd be shocked and even a little disappointed if they didn't. Thank goodness President Trump finally pointed out to all of us that the media is dishonest. Now we can finally recognize the tricks in their play book.
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World Health Organization Recommends Against Ibuprofen for Treating COVID-19
https://www.theepochtimes.com/world-health-organization-recommends-against-ibuprofen-for-treating-covid-19_3276450.html (https://www.theepochtimes.com/world-health-organization-recommends-against-ibuprofen-for-treating-covid-19_3276450.html)
Reiterating, we already had this posted some but this appears to be "official"..... but one probably has to be infected first.
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Three unnamed U.S. officials told The Associated Press that they began confronting on March 15 what they called a “deliberate effort by a foreign entity†to ignite fears of a nationwide quarantine.
It could be the Ukrainians again. /sarc
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@Once-Ler
Hope your following Jali cat's twitter. (https://twitter.com/Jali_Cat)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ETaDpgXXYAEm7Zd?format=jpg&name=medium)
Mindy Robinson (https://twitter.com/iheartmindy) another account to follow, @corbe .... She's running for office in Nevada, she really is glamorous, however it's defined,
Melissa A (https://twitter.com/TheRightMelissa) another account.
Some I wonder if they are paid but some probably do this on their own and some like Mindy above, are probably just strong Republicans or MAGA supporters.
ReneeCarrollAZ (https://twitter.com/ReneeCarrollAZ) actually, I find this account probably the best of the four and she's real pro-life... and is probably not as "gorgeous" as far as these others go but still fine.
I kind of wonder.
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I'd have to get over my fear of twitter first. Besides I've got a VPN in Italy right now where all the 'high quality' p0rn is free. :shrug:
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ETPX1bDXgAIHVBl?format=jpg&name=900x900)
https://twitter.com/trish_regan/status/1239571640108941314
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@Once-Ler
Hope your following Jali cat's twitter. (https://twitter.com/Jali_Cat)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ETaDpgXXYAEm7Zd?format=jpg&name=medium)
Mindy Robinson (https://twitter.com/iheartmindy) another account to follow, @corbe .... She's running for office in Nevada, she really is glamorous, however it's defined,
Melissa A (https://twitter.com/TheRightMelissa) another account.
Some I wonder if they are paid but some probably do this on their own and some like Mindy above, are probably just strong Republicans or MAGA supporters.
ReneeCarrollAZ (https://twitter.com/ReneeCarrollAZ) actually, I find this account probably the best of the four and she's real pro-life... and is probably not as "gorgeous" as far as these others go but still fine.
I kind of wonder.
@TomSea There is no shortage of good people on twitter who really love President Trump.
I prefer my MAGA with more sarcasm like
https://twitter.com/BrentTerhune
https://twitter.com/TrumpVoterWTF
https://twitter.com/TWIT_ANTHONY
https://twitter.com/walterowensgrpa
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The last major mass gatherings in the United States, where these spread the most, were the weekend of March 7 and 8. By tomorrow, 99% of cases that were caught in mass gatherings will have manifested themselves—half would have shown symptoms a few days ago. New cases should begin to level off once testing is caught up. Most people are going along with social distancing so new infections at this point SHOULD be slowing down... it's the lag in testing that's going to make it look like a continuing crisis.
Good points, except the kids in college didn't get the memo. Spring Break at Texas Beaches is booming.
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Yes, anyone saying "abortion", I agree, that is actually the leading cause of death in the USA.
COVID-19 pandemic: How the virus stacks up to the nation's leading causes of death
1. Heart disease
This perennially tops the list of the 10 leading causes of death in the U.S., as it did again in 2018. Cardiovascular diseases claimed 655,381 lives nationwide last year, or about 1,796 per day.
2. Cancer
3. Accidents
4. Chronic lower respiratory diseases
5. Stroke
See rest of list at: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/mar/18/covid-19-pandemic-how-the-virus-stacks-up-to-the-n/?utm_source=onesignal&utm_campaign=pushnotify&utm_medium=push (https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/mar/18/covid-19-pandemic-how-the-virus-stacks-up-to-the-n/?utm_source=onesignal&utm_campaign=pushnotify&utm_medium=push)
Pollak “Truckers Are Keeping American Supply Chains and Americans Aliveâ€
https://newsthud.com/pollak-truckers-are-keeping-american-supply-chains-and-americans-alive/ (https://newsthud.com/pollak-truckers-are-keeping-american-supply-chains-and-americans-alive/)
Just like I said, their importance can not be understated.
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Where we stand compared to the rest of the world, deaths from covid-19 per capita—still, at this point, measuring up very well so far:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ETaLXQIWsAYRi0o?format=png&name=small)
Source: https://twitter.com/NYHammond/status/1240332204204589057
??? Number of U.S. deaths is at 112. So far ... yes ... peak is not due to hit for another 45 days.
FL now has over 300 corona cases ... cases are now almost doubling every 2.5 days. Our temps are supposed to reach 90 tomorrow - so warmer temps don't seem to be making any difference.
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The last major mass gatherings in the United States, where these spread the most, were the weekend of March 7 and 8. By tomorrow, 99% of cases that were caught in mass gatherings will have manifested themselves—half would have shown symptoms a few days ago. New cases should begin to level off once testing is caught up. Most people are going along with social distancing so new infections at this point SHOULD be slowing down... it's the lag in testing that's going to make it look like a continuing crisis.
Kids in my little corner of Texas didn't get the memo either. The theaters are packed...kids at the mall... They act like this won't affect them.
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Good points, except the kids in college didn't get the memo. Spring Break at Texas Beaches is booming.
There is no end to 'didn't get the memo'... The streets around here are not bare and empty... Rather it is as busy as any other day.
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There is no end to 'didn't get the memo'... The streets around here are not bare and empty... Rather it is as busy as any other day.
I wonder is this isolation means I don't have to mow the grass this weekend.
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I'd have to get over my fear of twitter first. Besides I've got a VPN in Italy right now where all the 'high quality' p0rn is free. :shrug:
Totally jealous. I love 888cryingkitty
HINT: Two words. First word is wet.
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The last major mass gatherings in the United States, where these spread the most, were the weekend of March 7 and 8. By tomorrow, 99% of cases that were caught in mass gatherings will have manifested themselves—half would have shown symptoms a few days ago. New cases should begin to level off once testing is caught up. Most people are going along with social distancing so new infections at this point SHOULD be slowing down... it's the lag in testing that's going to make it look like a continuing crisis.
The Houston Livestock Show and Rodeo (normally ~2.5 million attending over a couple weeks) was shut down on March 11. It had been running for over a week before abruptly shutdown (less than 1 day notice).
We are having a few cases suspected from the first day of the cook-off where someone known to be infected had attended. I believe not know infected until afterwards. He had traveled out of country prior.
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I wonder is this isolation means I don't have to mow the grass this weekend.
Life does go on...
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The spike in confirmed cases will be an artifact of testing, not a measure of increased cases (the people infected were infected, it's just that once confirmed, they will suddenly be counted).
Despite knowing that the more who are tested, the more confirmed cases there will be, watch the MSM use that spike in confirmed cases (because they were tested and confirmed) be used against the Administration, and as cause to use even more draconian measures to "halt the spread" of the virus.
Exactly.
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Totally jealous. I love 888cryingkitty
HINT: Two words. First word is wet.
I will look into those accounts you mentioned.
I hardly integrate myself with twitter, meaning I hardly speak... I don't know twitter that well though, I've read a feed for 2 years and have been registered for six.
But as for experts, hearing what Gordon Cheung or I'll stop right there, Larry Elder, I mean, you have quite a few voices available to listen to to shun it, I probably make an average of a few comments a week but I definitely read, these people link to articles, I often use these articles.
I haven't got into the negative aspects, if I read what one of my favorite Senators say, I'm not going to now, engage in all the people talking about it below, many, who seem involved in political activism, I rarely read it. Not enough time.
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Orange County Bans All Public, Private Gatherings – Including Work – Outside Single Household
March 17, 2020 at 10:33 pm
SANTA ANA (CBSLA) – Orange County officials Tuesday took unprecedented action by banning all public and private gathers beyond those of a single household as jurisdictions across the world grapple with the spread of coronavirus.
County health officer Dr. Nicole Quick issued the order effective immediately prohibiting “all public and private gatherings of any number of people, including at places of work, occurring outside a single household or living space.â€
https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2020/03/17/oc-health-officials-set-to-close-dine-in-restaurants/ (https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2020/03/17/oc-health-officials-set-to-close-dine-in-restaurants/)
Idiots.
Of course these public gatherings will be exempt.
(https://www.henrymakow.com/upload_images/tent-city.jpg)
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I hardly integrate myself with twitter, meaning I hardly speak... I don't know twitter that well though, I've read a feed for 2 years and have been registered for six.
Same. I read way more than I say, and I always remember...don't say anything that will get you fired 10 years from now, when everything you said will almost certainly be offensive to somebody. I watched the Warriors last night. It's a film from 1979 and I was reminded how common it was for everyone to use "faggot" as an insult.
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Seems appropriate in these times, what's on my watchlist for tonight.
(http://img.moviepostershop.com/on-the-beach-movie-poster-1959-1010461085.jpg) (https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BMjA3MTI1OTU3OV5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwMzUxNjAyMQ@@._V1_UY1200_CR14,0,630,1200_AL_.jpg)
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Same. I read way more than I say, and I always remember...don't say anything that will get you fired 10 years from now, when everything you said will almost certainly be offensive to somebody. I watched the Warriors last night. It's a film from 1979 and I was reminded how common it was for everyone to use "faggot" as an insult.
I went ahead and followed all of those accounts but if I ever have to trim down accounts followed again, I might not be keeping all of them.
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Ben Shapiro
@benshapiro
The goal here should be to move from the Chinese model (lockdown) to the South Korean model (testing, monitoring, self-quarantining for specific symptoms -- and everybody else going to work) as fast as possible. We're buying time to make that shift. Let's not waste the time
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Makes sense to me.
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I think we should genetically splice @Once-Ler and @LegalAmerican
We might get one sane human being out of it.
Nah...probably not.
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Title:
"86% of people with coronavirus are walking around undetected, study says"
Hmmmm....
Are these peoples' bodies in the process of "fighting off" the virus, even if they have no obvious symptoms?
At which point, they will be "free of" the virus, and no longer contagious to others...?
Or... will they continue to be "silent carriers", like Typhoid Mary...?
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Title:
"86% of people with coronavirus are walking around undetected, study says"
Hmmmm....
Are these peoples' bodies in the process of "fighting off" the virus, even if they have no obvious symptoms?
At which point, they will be "free of" the virus, and no longer contagious to others...?
Or... will they continue to be "silent carriers", like Typhoid Mary...?
Their bodies would fight it off, provided that their immune system is triggered. Once they find one, they can test for antibodies.
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Good points, except the kids in college didn't get the memo. Spring Break at Texas Beaches is booming.
From what I understand, Florida, too.
The combination of alcohol, hormones and youth don't often comply with directives calling for social distancing...
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From what I understand, Florida, too.
The combination of alcohol, hormones and youth don't often comply with directives calling for social distancing...
As of tomorrow at 6:00 the beaches in my county in FL and the county south of here will be closed. No more spring break partying on the beaches.
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As of tomorrow at 6:00 the beaches in my county in FL and the county south of here will be closed. No more spring break partying on the beaches.
Well, that just means they will find somewhere else...not all, but many.
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Orange County Bans All Public, Private Gatherings – Including Work – Outside Single Household
March 17, 2020 at 10:33 pm
SANTA ANA (CBSLA) – Orange County officials Tuesday took unprecedented action by banning all public and private gathers beyond those of a single household as jurisdictions across the world grapple with the spread of coronavirus.
County health officer Dr. Nicole Quick issued the order effective immediately prohibiting “all public and private gatherings of any number of people, including at places of work, occurring outside a single household or living space.â€
https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2020/03/17/oc-health-officials-set-to-close-dine-in-restaurants/ (https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2020/03/17/oc-health-officials-set-to-close-dine-in-restaurants/)
Idiots.
Of course these public gatherings will be exempt.
(https://www.henrymakow.com/upload_images/tent-city.jpg)
Libs want the exempt and feverishly hope the infestation hits them as it will spread like wild rabbits.
Then the number of deaths will soar and libs can claim 'Trump did this'. And they get a twofer and rid themselves of pests in the neighborhood to boot.
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Idiots.
Of course these public gatherings will be exempt.
And you know there will be plenty of crowded house parties.
Space, not quantity of people, is the key factor in reducing infection rates.
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mr potatohead wrote:
"Kids in my little corner of Texas didn't get the memo either. The theaters are packed...kids at the mall... They act like this won't affect them."
It probably won't "affect" them too badly.
The problem is, it WILL affect those with whom they come into contact.
But... they're kids.
How are you going to make them understand that?
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(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/f7/b3/91/f7b391b33840b3218387c4f991d2b325.jpg)
In memorandum of me ever saying that 'We Need to Flatten the Curve'.
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I think we should genetically splice @Once-Ler and @LegalAmerican
We might get one sane human being out of it.
I think that is the kind of liberal mad scientist thinking that engineered this COVID-19 plague in the first place. @Axeslinger *look* I got my eye on you. Don't even think about dosing me with that hacker internet coronavirus gas...I know how it spread so rapidly!
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(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/f7/b3/91/f7b391b33840b3218387c4f991d2b325.jpg)
In memorandum of me ever saying that 'We Need to Flatten the Curve'.
finally, the update I've been waiting for.
She looks really healthy @corbe ...really healthy.
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mr potatohead wrote:
"Kids in my little corner of Texas didn't get the memo either. The theaters are packed...kids at the mall... They act like this won't affect them."
It probably won't "affect" them too badly.
The problem is, it WILL affect those with whom they come into contact.
But... they're kids.
How are you going to make them understand that?
We should seriously change our thinking about youth not being infected as that information is inaccurate:
Some children with coronavirus develop serious illnesses, study finds
Babies and preschoolers are at particularly high risk for developing serious symptoms when infected with coronavirus, a new study published online in the journal Pediatrics revealed Wednesday.
Although the percentage of severe cases in children are very small -- nearly 6 percent of the 2,143 cases of children under 18 years old that were reviewed -- those who developed serious illnesses experienced dire respiratory problems.
Researchers examined the cases of children across China that were reported to the Chinese Centers for Disease Control and Prevention as of Feb. 8 in connection with the virus.
A third of the cases tested positive for COVID-19 with laboratory testing, while the other cases are considered suspected patients based on the child’s symptoms, chest X-rays, blood tests and whether the child had been exposed to people with coronavirus.
About half of the children had mild symptoms, such as fever, fatigue, cough, congestion and possibly nausea or diarrhea. More than a third — about 39 percent — became moderately sick, and showed additional symptoms including pneumonia or lung problems revealed in CT scans, without obvious shortness of breath. About 4% had no symptoms at all.
The most severe symptoms existed in a small group of 125 children.
Thirteen of those children were listed in “critical†condition and were on the verge of respiratory or organ failure. The other children were classified as “severe†because they had dire respiratory problems.............
https://www.foxnews.com/health/children-coronavirus-serious-illnesses (https://www.foxnews.com/health/children-coronavirus-serious-illnesses)
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One of the infected people in Ohio is a 2 year old.
NOBODY should think this is only a virus that hurts us old people.
Stay home.
Just stay home!
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Two more fatalities in Georgia (Albany) bringing total to 3. All had underlying medical conditions.
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Libs want the exempt and feverishly hope the infestation hits them as it will spread like wild rabbits.
Then the number of deaths will soar and libs can claim 'Trump did this'. And they get a twofer and rid themselves of pests in the neighborhood to boot.
The photo is not OC. I think it is down town LA (Fashion Dist), in an area called "skid row, for decades.
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the subject of restaurants and dining, got changed to homeless BTW,
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(apologies if this has already been posted)
https://www.connexionfrance.com/French-news/French-researcher-in-Marseille-posts-successful-Covid-19-coronavirus-drug-trial-results (https://www.connexionfrance.com/French-news/French-researcher-in-Marseille-posts-successful-Covid-19-coronavirus-drug-trial-results)
A renowned research professor in France has reported successful results from a new treatment for Covid-19, with early tests suggesting it can stop the virus from being contagious in just six days.
Professor Didier Raoult from infection hospital l'Institut Hospitalo-Universitaire (IHU) Méditerranée Infection in Marseille (Bouches-du-Rhône, Provence-Alpes-Côte d'Azur), published a video explaining the trials on Monday March 16.
Professor Raoult is an infectious diseases specialist and head of the IHU Méditerranée Infection, who has been tasked by - and consulted by - the French government to research possible treatments of Covid-19.
He said that the first Covid-19 patients he had treated with the drug chloroquine had seen a rapid and effective speeding up of their healing process, and a sharp decrease in the amount of time they remained contagious.
More at URL above...
Something that is worth paying extra attention to:
US academic study concurs
A new academic study, published on Friday March 13 by US scientific researchers, also said that chloroquine appeared to be an effective treatment, and appears to align with the findings in France.
It said: “Use of chloroquine (tablets) is showing favorable outcomes in humans infected with Coronavirus including faster time to recovery and shorter hospital stay…
“Research shows that chloroquine also has strong potential as a prophylactic (preventative) measure against coronavirus in the lab, while we wait for a vaccine to be developed."
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It sounds very Positive.
I posted some articles I found about it Here:
An effective treatment for #Coronavirus #COVID-19 has been found in a common anti-malarial drug (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,395373.msg2172241.html#msg2172241)
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Do all ya'll think something like this should be posted here and politics, or just politics?
Marsha Blackburn, TN
James Inhofe, OK
Ron Johnson, WI
James Lankford, OK
Mike Lee, UT
Rand Paul, KY
Ben Sasse, NE
Tim Scott, NC
They voted AGAINST the Coronavirus Relief Package.
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Do all ya'll think something like this should be posted here and politics, or just politics?
Marsha Blackburn, TN
James Inhofe, OK
Ron Johnson, WI
James Lankford, OK
Mike Lee, UT
Rand Paul, KY
Ben Sasse, NE
Tim Scott, NC
They voted AGAINST the Coronavirus Relief Package.
Info was posted in this other thread in politics some hours ago: @Once-Ler
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,395351.0.html (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,395351.0.html)
Doesn't hurt to post it again, not everyone may have seen it.
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Evidently several stores, including local grocery stores, have set aside special hours for seniors to shop to help reduce exposure to the virus. Our local TV station mentioned it this morning.. I guess you could check your local news outlets for info if you need it.
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Americans rehanging Christmas lights to light darkness of coronavirus
Across the country, Americans are literally shining a light amid the darkness of the coronavirus (https://www.foxnews.com/category/health/infectious-disease/coronavirus) pandemic.
Nearly three months after Christmas (https://www.foxnews.com/category/special/occasions/christmas), people practicing social distancing at home are putting their lights back up to help lift everyone’s spirits as the country fights through the crisis.
“What if we all put our Christmas lights back up?†Lane Grindle, a play-by-play broadcaster for the Milwaukee Brewers, tweeted Sunday. “Then we could get in the car and drive around and look at them. That seems like a fair social distancing activity.â€
https://www.foxnews.com/lifestyle/americans-rehanging-christmas-lights-to-light-darkness-of-coronavirus (https://www.foxnews.com/lifestyle/americans-rehanging-christmas-lights-to-light-darkness-of-coronavirus)
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One of the infected people in Ohio is a 2 year old.
NOBODY should think this is only a virus that hurts us old people.
Stay home.
Just stay home!
I’m out of milk and ice cream. I only got a quart of each... in hindsight I should have gotten a gallon of each.
I’m sad but I’m staying put. I will in the next couple of days go out and start my car. I don’t want a dead battery.
I turned off the news last night and the dang virus was in my nightmares. I slept like poop. Even my Teddy Bear couldn’t help on this one.
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(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/f7/b3/91/f7b391b33840b3218387c4f991d2b325.jpg)
In memorandum of me ever saying that 'We Need to Flatten the Curve'.
I’m glad my old friend @corbe is back! Hurray! And it’s the first day of Spring! Hip Hip Hurray!
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That's funny.
In some parts of my area of Texas, they never take down the Christmas lights to begin with.
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That's funny.
In some parts of my area of Texas, they never take down the Christmas lights to begin with.
:cool:
Yea, my uncle, Arkansas, would put xmas lights on the house when he bought it and replace them when they rotted off the side of the house... lol
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What do you mean put them back up?
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Do all ya'll think something like this should be posted here and politics, or just politics?
Marsha Blackburn, TN
James Inhofe, OK
Ron Johnson, WI
James Lankford, OK
Mike Lee, UT
Rand Paul, KY
Ben Sasse, NE
Tim Scott, NC
They voted AGAINST the Coronavirus Relief Package.
No. They voted AGAINST the 'Destroy Small Business' Package.
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No. They voted AGAINST the 'Destroy Small Business' Package.
What a bunch of RINOS.
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That's funny.
In some parts of my area of Texas, they never take down the Christmas lights to begin with.
:cool:
They're hard wired. All I gotta do is flip a switch.
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Italy has a history of having worse health issues in situations like this.
Investigating the impact of influenza on excess mortality in all ages in Italy during recent seasons (2013/14–2016/17 seasons)
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1201971219303285 (https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1201971219303285)
And Italy had direct flights from Wuhan to Italy to speed up the virus transmission.
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/03/how_did_italy_become_the_new_ground_zero_of_coronavirus.html (https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/03/how_did_italy_become_the_new_ground_zero_of_coronavirus.html)
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Info was posted in this other thread in politics some hours ago: @Once-Ler
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,395351.0.html (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,395351.0.html)
Doesn't hurt to post it again, not everyone may have seen it.
I wish MY "reps" had voted against that trash as well but, of course, they did not!
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Trends still heading in wrong direction. We need to see more reported recoveries. Not sure how long health officials are waiting before labeling someone as 'recovered'.
Worldwide:
Recovery:Death ratio = 9.20 ↓
Case:Recovery ratio = 2.67 ↑
Hubei:
Recovery:Death ratio = 21.70 ↑
Case:Recovery ratio = 1.15 ↓
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New Study Suggests Digestive Issues Can Be First Sign of COVID-19
Renee Fabian
March 18, 2020, 5:25 PM EDT
A new study published in The American Journal of Gastroenterology reports that some people who get the coronavirus will experience digestive symptoms like diarrhea as a first sign of the virus.
COVID-19 is a new-to-humans coronavirus that primarily attacks the lungs and respiratory system. Its primary symptoms include fever, cough, shortness or breath and, if the infection worsens, chest pain, pneumonia and difficulty breathing. As medicals experts around the world race to learn new information, however, the list of the symptoms expands.
The new study published in the American Journal of Gastroenterology looked at data from 204 patients with COVID-19 in China’s Hubei province. Researchers found that 48.5% of these patients arrived at the hospital with digestive symptoms such as diarrhea, vomiting, or abdominal pain. The study suggested digestive symptoms may present before the respiratory symptoms of COVID-19. Those with digestive symptoms included in this study also had a more severe course of illness. ... More (https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/study-suggests-digestive-issues-first-212548290.html)
This is the first I've heard of any gastrointestinal connection. Everything I've read says the main symptoms are dry cough and fever. Less frequent symptoms include sore throat, shortess of breath, headache, body aches and exhaustion.
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I’m also seeing now people who had bariatric surgery are high risk as well.
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What do you mean put them back up?
Well done!
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Well done!
LOL! Maybe so... But it's TRUE.
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With 20 Percent Unemployment a Possibility, the Government Must Consider Immigration Cuts
By Preston Huennekens March 19, 2020
The White House announced that as we cope with the devastating impact of the COVID-19 pandemic Americans should prepare for a scenario in which the country’s unemployment rate reaches 20 percent. The United States has not seen an unemployment rate that high since the Great Depression, when unemployment approached 25 percent in 1933. Before the coronavirus, unemployment hovered at 3.5 percent in February, one of the lowest rates in recent history.
One does not need to be an economist to understand what would happen if unemployment reached 20 percent in this country. The unemployment rate measures the number of people out of work in the last 30 days who continued to actively seek a job. An unemployment rate of 20 percent would reverberate throughout the economy in ways most American adults have not experienced. Even in the Great Recession of the late 2000s, unemployment only reached 10 percent in October 2009.
See more at: https://www.immigrationreform.com/2020/03/19/guest-workers-economy-recession-immigrationreform-com/ (https://www.immigrationreform.com/2020/03/19/guest-workers-economy-recession-immigrationreform-com/)
Please note, per article, the White House itself asserted this.
Leaked McDonalds recording shows the company is fighting against parts of Trump's coronavirus bill that would give workers paid sick leave
McDonald's is lobbying the Trump administration to make changes to a bill that would require some employers to provide paid sick leave amid the coronavirus outbreak, executives said on an internal call on Monday, a recording of which was obtained by Business Insider.
McDonald's leadership spoke with President Donald Trump on Tuesday morning. On Monday, they discussed concerns about how the bill would affect franchisees' finances with members of the Trump administration, including Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin.
"McDonald's supports the bill that would provide sick leave support to employees impacted by Coronavirus, and in fact, McDonald's and many of its franchise owners have already committed to offer those same benefits to potentially diagnosed employees," a McDonald's representative told Business Insider.
More: https://www.businessinsider.com/mcdonalds-pushes-back-against-aspects-coronavirus-sick-leave-bill-2020-3 (https://www.businessinsider.com/mcdonalds-pushes-back-against-aspects-coronavirus-sick-leave-bill-2020-3)
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McDonald's annual/quarterly gross profit history and growth rate from 2006 to 2019. Gross profit can be defined as the profit a company makes after deducting the variable costs directly associated with making and selling its products or providing its services. - McDonald's gross profit for the quarter ending December 31, 2019 was $2.846B, a 5.54% increase year-over-year.
- McDonald's gross profit for the twelve months ending December 31, 2019 was $11.115B, a 3.05% increase year-over-year.
- McDonald's annual gross profit for 2019 was $11.115B, a 3.05% increase from 2018.
- McDonald's annual gross profit for 2018 was $10.786B, a 1.56% increase from 2017.
- McDonald's annual gross profit for 2017 was $10.621B, a 4.08% increase from 2016.
https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/MCD/mcdonalds/gross-profit
This is precisely why the left gains so much traction with their "hate" big business speals.... It is time for these companies to step up and help out...
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This is precisely why the left gains so much traction with their "hate" big business speals.... It is time for these companies to step up and help out...
Much of these big business owners are us, stock holders with our 401ks.
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McDonald's just announced drive-through food ONLY, hey, I myself do like one of their burgers from time to time but with the current mood of the nation, I might pass on going to the ritziest five star restaurant around. There are real problems now.
Also, one of the convenience store chains in our area just put up this sign in the window the other day, "No personal cups, No Hot Beverages" ... for the time being.... the personal cups must be being able to get a free cup to put say, some water in, the "no hot beverages", does that mean no coffee? It sounds like it.
I haven't heard guidance on food procedures right now but I can imagine, apparently, some countries are closing pubs and restaurants.
That's not panic mode, with some past sickness, ills, germs, I remember them saying, if one were to eat something that an infected person prepared, the stomach acids would kill the germs anyway. Just saying.
Turbulent waters unfortunately.
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No. They voted AGAINST the 'Destroy Small Business' Package.
Yep. I guess the question is whether you see them as boogeymen or the list as an Honor Roll.
What there has been shut down more than a week or two and the harping is to go further in debt to bail them out?
Many of those of us who pick up the tab for this won't get a dime and are in similar straits.
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This is the first I've heard of any gastrointestinal connection. Everything I've read says the main symptoms are dry cough and fever. Less frequent symptoms include sore throat, shortess of breath, headache, body aches and exhaustion.
I think this illuminates the fact that the only risk of death from the virus are those people with pre-existing health issues. In other words, healthy, normal people don’t die from contracting and suffering through a bout of corona, unless they are compromised.
But, that’s not what the press is selling. They want maximum panic for their bottom line and to help them destroy or damage the object of their extreme emotional distress, Donald Trump and his re-election.
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I think this illuminates the fact that the only risk of death from the virus are those people with pre-existing health issues. In other words, healthy, normal people don’t die from contracting and suffering through a bout of corona, unless they are compromised.
But, that’s not what the press is selling. They want maximum panic for their bottom line and to help them destroy or damage the object of their extreme emotional distress, Donald Trump and his re-election.
Can you provide a link for that claim? Not just a worse risk but any risk at all?
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Can you provide a link for that claim? Not just a worse risk but any risk at all?
A very small percentage of the serious cases do involve otherwise healthy people. Not sure whether any of the deaths involved young and/or healthy individuals. Will try to find stats.
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New York City To Release Inmates Due To Coronavirus Outbreak
New York is the epicenter of the coronavirus outbreak in America and the nation watches to see the response in solidarity with that city and state but also to get a preview of what is coming for the rest of us.
New York Governor Cuomo announced the state is doing thousands of tests now after an enormous effort to get that system on track.
Trump has sent a hospital ship to help with the expected burden on its health care system.
More: https://newsthud.com/new-york-city-to-release-inmates-due-to-coronavirus-outbreak/ summarizing from the NY Post: https://nypost.com/2020/03/18/nyc-to-begin-releasing-inmates-amid-coronavirus-outbreak/?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=NYPFacebook&utm_medium=SocialFlow&sr_share=facebook
It's a hard call, if inmates get sick and die, I'm sure the institutions can be sued.
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Symptom: Shortness of breath along with what seems to go along with a "chest tightness", I can see what that would look like.
Lots of details too, such as if the virus stays in the upper lung vs. the lower lung which I believe is like pneumonia (worse).
The most common symptoms of coronavirus include a fever, fatigue, cough or chest tightness, and difficulty breathing.
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/uk-news/coronavirus-symptoms-17664821 (https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/uk-news/coronavirus-symptoms-17664821)
Immune system, again, I'm hitting the vitamin C, airborne chewable tablets which has zinc too or Emergen-C seem to be decent. Totally unproven, just some of what I'm doing.
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I've read that those zinc lozenges may be helpful with viruses. I was at a church meeting last night and one of the members - a family medicine practitioner - urged use of Zicam or similar products.
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I've read that those zinc lozenges may be helpful with viruses. I was at a church meeting last night and one of the members - a family medicine practitioner - urged use of Zicam or similar products.
http://www.tasteandsmell.com/apr04.htm (http://www.tasteandsmell.com/apr04.htm)
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http://www.tasteandsmell.com/apr04.htm (http://www.tasteandsmell.com/apr04.htm)
My doctor friend said do not use the nasal spray, just the zinc lozenges.
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Stanford Professor: Data Indicates We’re Severely Overreacting To Coronavirus (https://www.dailywire.com/news/stanford-professor-data-indicates-were-overreacting-to-coronavirus/)
The professor is correct!
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I've read that those zinc lozenges may be helpful with viruses. I was at a church meeting last night and one of the members - a family medicine practitioner - urged use of Zicam or similar products.
Airborne is also very good. It has loads of Vitamin C (and other vitamins), zinc, magnesium and other goodies. It was developed by a school teacher who got tired of getting sick every fall. (I used to do that too when I was teaching).
We take it daily and almost never get sick from anything, and if we do, it's always a very mild version of a cold or whatever.....
There are gummies, fizzies and chewable versions of it. I use any of the three.
It's a little pricey, but to me well worth it since it keeps me healthy and not in need of other OTC meds.
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Can you provide a link for that claim? Not just a worse risk but any risk at all?
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-18/99-of-those-who-died-from-virus-had-other-illness-italy-says (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-18/99-of-those-who-died-from-virus-had-other-illness-italy-says) Scroll down to the graphic (pie chart) 99,2% of the Italians had some serious underlying health issue or multiple issues.
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We'll see if there are any zinc products on the drugstore shelves. Will report back tomorrow, after my shopping trip.
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Stanford Professor: Data Indicates We’re Severely Overreacting To Coronavirus (https://www.dailywire.com/news/stanford-professor-data-indicates-were-overreacting-to-coronavirus/)
The professor is correct!
We've been saying that all along.
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The professor is correct!
Those of us who are visually impaired wear glasses to correct our vision. Can you please keep the font size down? Sheesh! :shrug:
btw, that is one professor whose opinion is in opposition to thousands of other health care professionals and scientists.
Just make sure that in your cynicism, you don't get yourself sick........... or make anyone sick that you care about.
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We've been saying that all along.
:yowsa: And we are still right!
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We now have a case in our county in Ohio.
89 known cases in the state, up from 3 a week ago.
So far, praise the Lord, no deaths. But some hospitalized and very, very sick.
The state of Ohio is doing its best to flatten the curve of the spread of this 20x more communicable than flu disease.
Hospitals all over the country are low on protective gear for the first responders..... doctors, nurses, life-savers.
Keep praying for them and for us as a nation.
We have never seen anything of this nature before. We are in uncharted territory.
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:yowsa: And we are still right!
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/younger-adults-comprise-big-portion-of-coronavirus-hospitalizations-in-us/ar-BB11nGEB?li=BBnb7Kz (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/younger-adults-comprise-big-portion-of-coronavirus-hospitalizations-in-us/ar-BB11nGEB?li=BBnb7Kz)
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Stanford Professor: Data Indicates We’re Severely Overreacting To Coronavirus (https://www.dailywire.com/news/stanford-professor-data-indicates-were-overreacting-to-coronavirus/)
The professor is correct!
In related news, a Stanford Professor was taken out into the parking lot by other Professors and had the crap kicked out of him for jeopardizing their gumming grant money....
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The professor is correct!
That's right.
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Article was already posted.
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,395334.0.html (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,395334.0.html)
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World Keeps Spinning ~ Uncle Lucius
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkweTZ_dTm0#)
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We've been saying that all along.
And in return, we have been accused of 'bullying', 'making personal attacks', 'using innuendo', 'making ad hominems', and 'accusing others of trying to scare others with no back up'.
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Atlanta Rhythm Section - I'm Not Gonna Let It Bother Me Tonight
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ptItUeEpr4#)
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Love me some ARS, Thanks @Hoodat
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My pleasure.
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/younger-adults-comprise-big-portion-of-coronavirus-hospitalizations-in-us/ar-BB11nGEB?li=BBnb7Kz (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/younger-adults-comprise-big-portion-of-coronavirus-hospitalizations-in-us/ar-BB11nGEB?li=BBnb7Kz)
The report included no information about whether patients of any age had underlying risk factors, such as a chronic illness or a compromised immune system. So, it is impossible to determine whether the younger patients who were hospitalized were more susceptible to serious infection than most others in their age group.
There's the bugaboo in this.There is some critical data missing, data which may help the average person much more accurately assess their personal risk. In Italy, those killed by the virus (99.2%) had either diabetes, High Blood Pressure, or a coronary condition--or a combination of those.
Similarly, we have relatively young people who exhibit those (and other) illnesses which may make them more susceptible to the virus. Every shrieking headline seems to have some critical information missing.
Yes, young people can catch the virus. That part isn't age dependent. However, the likelihood of developing heart disease, diabetes, or having High Blood Pressure generally increases with age, so that skews the age of those who become critically ill or die upwards. It does not remove risk from younger people who have those conditions.
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Much of these big business owners are us, stock holders with our 401ks.
Just don't look at your statement this month....I'm not.
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And in return, we have been accused of 'bullying', 'making personal attacks', 'using innuendo', 'making ad hominems', and 'accusing others of trying to scare others with no back up'.
Yep.
Which is why I am speaking to the data, the holes in it as reported, the flaws in it as sampling goes, and they are legion.
You'd think people would be able to spot omissions and half-truths by now.
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And in return, we have been accused of 'bullying', 'making personal attacks', 'using innuendo', 'making ad hominems', and 'accusing others of trying to scare others with no back up'.
IMO there'll be some red faces when the final cost of this thing is tallied.
And we ought to all be hoping I'm right.
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My doctor friend said do not use the nasal spray, just the zinc lozenges.
@mountaineer @DB
I am one of those that significantly lost sense of smell from overuse of zicam nasal spray from my years in Alaska.
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Stanford Professor: Data Indicates We’re Severely Overreacting To Coronavirus (https://www.dailywire.com/news/stanford-professor-data-indicates-were-overreacting-to-coronavirus/)
The professor is correct!
Yeah....tell that to the New Jersey family that had 7 hospitalized with 4 of them dying....they weren't exactly old either.
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Just don't look at your statement this month....I'm not.
Don't look at it for the rest of the year. If you got extra cash, buy. Stocks are a bargain right now, but it won't last.
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@mountaineer @DB
I am one of those that significantly lost sense of smell from overuse of zicam nasal spray from my years in Alaska.
Same here.... I was a stockholder. I made thousands on paper....then it all came crashing down when it turned out that Zicam caused you to lose your sense of smell. I will NEVER forget zicam.
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The Stanford Proff says we don't know enough about the disease. Brilliant observation. This isn't the Silver Bulllet some are waving around, we just don't know. So, what else is new? Expose 330 million people to possible disaster? He's not the only educated opinion out there.
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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-18/99-of-those-who-died-from-virus-had-other-illness-italy-says (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-18/99-of-those-who-died-from-virus-had-other-illness-italy-says) Scroll down to the graphic (pie chart) 99,2% of the Italians had some serious underlying health issue or multiple issues.
Thank you for that.
More than 75% had high blood pressure, about 35% had diabetes and a third suffered from heart disease.
I get to check all those boxes. So do a lot of us.
Cardiovascular diseases affect nearly half of American adults, statistics show
https://www.heart.org/en/news/2019/01/31/cardiovascular-diseases-affect-nearly-half-of-american-adults-statistics-show (https://www.heart.org/en/news/2019/01/31/cardiovascular-diseases-affect-nearly-half-of-american-adults-statistics-show)
In the United States, about 77.9 million (1 out of every 3) adults have high blood pressure.
https://www.heart.org/idc/groups/heart-public/@wcm/@sop/@smd/documents/downloadable/ucm_319587.pdf (https://www.heart.org/idc/groups/heart-public/@wcm/@sop/@smd/documents/downloadable/ucm_319587.pdf)
34.2 million people, or 10.5% of the U.S. population, have diabetes. An estimated 26.8 million people - or 10.2% of the population - had diagnosed diabetes. Approximately 7.3 million people have diabetes but have not yet been diagnosed (2018).
https://www.diabetesresearch.org/diabetes-statistics (https://www.diabetesresearch.org/diabetes-statistics)
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Yeah....tell that to the New Jersey family that had 7 hospitalized with 4 of them dying....they weren't exactly old either.
What preexisting medical conditions were involved? How long did they delay getting medical care?
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IMO there'll be some red faces when the final cost of this thing is tallied.
And we ought to all be hoping I'm right.
Ain't no question about it. You are right.
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Yeah....tell that to the New Jersey family that had 7 hospitalized with 4 of them dying....they weren't exactly old either.
Anecdotal evidence is pretty useless in the face of statistics that are still way way low, and trillions being spent.
You may as well bring up anecdotal evidence of folks getting hit by traffic as they cross the street - As that has a greater chance of happening than dying of this virus.
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What preexisting medical conditions were involved? How long did they delay getting medical care?
Texas Governor on tv now.....we have the virus in over 20 counties now. Spreading quite fast.... He just shut down all restaurants, gymns etc....wow. Laredo pretty well shut the town down.
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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-18/99-of-those-who-died-from-virus-had-other-illness-italy-says (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-18/99-of-those-who-died-from-virus-had-other-illness-italy-says) Scroll down to the graphic (pie chart) 99,2% of the Italians had some serious underlying health issue or multiple issues.
That is a very significant piece of data and the sky-is-falling types fail to recognize that for what it means, which basically is healthy people have minimum health risk to virus exposure.
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Thank you for that.
I get to check all those boxes. So do a lot of us.
Cardiovascular diseases affect nearly half of American adults, statistics show
https://www.heart.org/en/news/2019/01/31/cardiovascular-diseases-affect-nearly-half-of-american-adults-statistics-show (https://www.heart.org/en/news/2019/01/31/cardiovascular-diseases-affect-nearly-half-of-american-adults-statistics-show)
https://www.heart.org/idc/groups/heart-public/@wcm/@sop/@smd/documents/downloadable/ucm_319587.pdf (https://www.heart.org/idc/groups/heart-public/@wcm/@sop/@smd/documents/downloadable/ucm_319587.pdf)
https://www.diabetesresearch.org/diabetes-statistics (https://www.diabetesresearch.org/diabetes-statistics)
Stay healthy, friend.
I am fortunate enough to be over 60 and not check any of them.
Considering the above stats, I wonder how much overlap there is with the 60.8% of the US population that works.
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Anecdotal evidence is pretty useless in the face of statistics that are still way way low, and trillions being spent.
You may as well bring up anecdotal evidence of folks getting hit by traffic as they cross the street - As that has a greater chance of happening than dying of this virus.
I pray you are correct....
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Thank goodness we won't see this again.
King County to put 200-bed field hospital on Shoreline soccer field amid coronavirus outbreak (https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/health/king-county-to-put-200-bed-field-hospital-on-shoreline-soccer-field-amid-coronavirus-outbreak/)
March 18, 2020
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Workers start building and setting up a temporary field hospital at a Shoreline soccer field on Wednesday. It will be for people who can’t safely remain in their homes or don’t have a home, according to the city. There will be multiple such hospitals throughout King County. (Amanda Snyder / The Seattle Times)
Evan Bush By Evan Bush
Seattle Times staff reporter
A temporary field hospital for use by people unable to isolate and recover from COVID-19 in their own homes will be located at a soccer field in Shoreline, a city spokesman said.
The Shoreline Temporary Field Hospital, at 19030 First Ave. N.E., will provide up to 200 beds, according to the city website. It will house “people exposed to, at risk of exposure, or becoming ill with the novel coronavirus.â€
“It’s basically to relieve pressure on the hospitals and to free up beds for critical patients,†said Eric Bratton, a city spokesman. The hospital will be on a turf soccer field that is on school district property but is leased by the city, Bratton said.
Read more at: https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/health/king-county-to-put-200-bed-field-hospital-on-shoreline-soccer-field-amid-coronavirus-outbreak/ (https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/health/king-county-to-put-200-bed-field-hospital-on-shoreline-soccer-field-amid-coronavirus-outbreak/)
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I pray you are correct....
Sixteen people die per day, on average in the US from pedestrian/vehicle accidents. So far, the jaywalkers are ahead.
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@mountaineer @DB
I am one of those that significantly lost sense of smell from overuse of zicam nasal spray from my years in Alaska.
Hydrogen sulfide seems to have the same effect.
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Hydrogen sulfide seems to have the same effect.
Yep. My sense of smell is limited, and has been since I worked in a field back in the 80s where the flares went out all too often. :shrug:
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Anhydrous Ammonia (used to make blueprints) is also a smell killer. I delivered that stuff to engineering firms all over Houston, as a teenager.
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Sixteen people die per day, on average in the US from pedestrian/vehicle accidents. So far, the jaywalkers are ahead.
Covid-19 in the US passed that two days ago.
40 deaths yesterday
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/)
Scroll down to:
Daily New Deaths in the United States
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Sixteen people die per day, on average in the US from pedestrian/vehicle accidents. So far, the jaywalkers are ahead.
17 hours ago, USA coronavirus death toll was 100,
US coronavirus death toll surpasses 100;
https://abcnews.go.com/US/coronavirus-live-updates-us-death-toll-surpasses-100/story?id=69636160 (https://abcnews.go.com/US/coronavirus-live-updates-us-death-toll-surpasses-100/story?id=69636160)
now it's at 154.
United States: 10,755 cases, 154 deaths
https://www.tulsaworld.com/news/national/u-s-death-toll-how-are-world-governments-handling-the/collection_05705193-a8fd-5deb-a5c0-2407b04f85df.html (https://www.tulsaworld.com/news/national/u-s-death-toll-how-are-world-governments-handling-the/collection_05705193-a8fd-5deb-a5c0-2407b04f85df.html)
Just the facts.
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Anhydrous Ammonia (used to make blueprints) is also a smell killer. I delivered that stuff to engineering firms all over Houston, as a teenager.
Troodat. It also shrinks money when liquified. If you get a chance, drop a dollar bill into a vat of very cold liquid ammonia. Pretty cool.
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Hydrogen sulfide seems to have the same effect.
Hydrogen Sulfide is the only reason I am concerned by my loss of smell. Often it is a benefit in life working around large men with high protein diets.
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I am one of those that significantly lost sense of smell from overuse of zicam nasal spray from my years in Alaska.
That's exactly what my doctor friend said last night was a possible side effect, and was why NOT to use it. I said, "That stinks."
DON'T USE a zinc spray. Just the lozenges. (pretty sure that's what I said).
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Troodat. It also shrinks money when liquified. If you get a chance, drop a dollar bill into a vat of very cold liquid ammonia. Pretty cool.
That's interesting.
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Anhydrous Ammonia (used to make blueprints) is also a smell killer. I delivered that stuff to engineering firms all over Houston, as a teenager.
(https://cameochemicals.noaa.gov/images/placards/Placard2.2.gif)
Don't you dare believe that!
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Covid-19 in the US passed that two days ago.
40 deaths yesterday
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/)
Scroll down to:
Daily New Deaths in the United States
That's right.
Also, at the same ABC link above (not as good as your link) but it is talking of one ER Doctor exposed to the virus, let's hope we don't have much more of this, the link says there's potential many were exposed but we are suppose to have our voices shut down because we are being alarmist.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/coronavirus-live-updates-us-death-toll-surpasses-100/story?id=69636160 (https://abcnews.go.com/US/coronavirus-live-updates-us-death-toll-surpasses-100/story?id=69636160)
And doh, we are trying to avoid the worse, as said in the other thread, Taiwan tackled this effectively, one death, one hundred confirmed cases.
https://www.theepochtimes.com/taiwans-swift-response-to-virus-threat-allowed-it-to-contain-outbreak_3276691.html (https://www.theepochtimes.com/taiwans-swift-response-to-virus-threat-allowed-it-to-contain-outbreak_3276691.html)
I think as Ben Shapiro says, from this first emergency, we have got to hope, we graduate to the South Korea system or my own words, like Taiwan has done, only 80 miles from China, that said, I understand SK has gotten a few new cases in the past day....
But I think we are working towards a "working solution", people go back to work in the not-to-distant future with precautions taken.
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17 hours ago, USA coronavirus death toll was 100
Your link is 38 hours old, not 17. And it cites 110 deaths, not 100.
Just the facts.
lol
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Your link is 38 hours old, not 17. And it cites 110 deaths, not 100.
lol
Bing News Feed, 17 hours, see for yourself also:
https://www.bing.com/search?form=MOZSBR&pc=MOZI&q=death+toll+usa+coronavirus (https://www.bing.com/search?form=MOZSBR&pc=MOZI&q=death+toll+usa+coronavirus)
lol...
They update stories.
Ever hear of "LIVE UPDATING", it says that on that page.....
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What day did Kansas' Governor shut down the schools? If it was only March 18th, that demonstrates the ABC link is being updated because it mentions that story:
Kansas governor orders schools to close for remainder of academic year
https://www.bizjournals.com/kansascity/news/2020/03/18/kansas-governor-orders-schools-to-close.html (https://www.bizjournals.com/kansascity/news/2020/03/18/kansas-governor-orders-schools-to-close.html)
Boy, there are important matters to be concerned with. I won't go down this rabbit hole again.
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That's right.
Also, at the same ABC link above (not as good as your link) but it is talking of one ER Doctor exposed to the virus, let's hope we don't have much more of this, the link says there's potential many were exposed but we are suppose to have our voices shut down because we are being alarmist.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/coronavirus-live-updates-us-death-toll-surpasses-100/story?id=69636160 (https://abcnews.go.com/US/coronavirus-live-updates-us-death-toll-surpasses-100/story?id=69636160)
And doh, we are trying to avoid the worse, as said in the other thread, Taiwan tackled this effectively, one death, one hundred confirmed cases.
https://www.theepochtimes.com/taiwans-swift-response-to-virus-threat-allowed-it-to-contain-outbreak_3276691.html (https://www.theepochtimes.com/taiwans-swift-response-to-virus-threat-allowed-it-to-contain-outbreak_3276691.html)
I think as Ben Shapiro says, from this first emergency, we have got to hope, we graduate to the South Korea system or my own words, like Taiwan has done, only 80 miles from China, that said, I understand SK has gotten a few new cases in the past day....
But I think we are working towards a "working solution", people go back to work in the not-to-distant future with precautions taken.
The problem with the South Korean model is that their infection rate is starting to tick back up again. Not huge, but they were back over 100 this morning.
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https://abcnews.go.com/Health/coronavirus-live-updates-china-reports-domestic-cases-1st/story?id=69679965
"Windows up at all times".
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https://abcnews.go.com/Health/coronavirus-live-updates-china-reports-domestic-cases-1st/story?id=69679965
"Windows up at all times".
What is that about?
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Covid-19 in the US passed that two days ago.
40 deaths yesterday
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/)
Scroll down to:
Daily New Deaths in the United States
For the day, sure.
Using the average, since February 1 there have been 768 people die in the streets from automobile impacts. The updated number (average per day) is 17 https://www.nhtsa.gov/road-safety/pedestrian-safety (https://www.nhtsa.gov/road-safety/pedestrian-safety)
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Bing News Feed, 17 hours, see for yourself also:
https://www.bing.com/search?form=MOZSBR&pc=MOZI&q=death+toll+usa+coronavirus (https://www.bing.com/search?form=MOZSBR&pc=MOZI&q=death+toll+usa+coronavirus)
lol...
They update stories.
Ever hear of "LIVE UPDATING", it says that on that page.....
This (https://abcnews.go.com/US/coronavirus-live-updates-us-death-toll-surpasses-100/story?id=69636160) is the link that was in your post (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,388835.msg2172734.html#msg2172734). The date for that ABC was clearly marked as follows:
By Emily Shapiro, Jon Haworth, and Karma Allen | March 17, 2020, 11:06 PM
Again, that is your link. The link you posted. And in the very first sentence of that link, it clearly says 110 deaths.
Maybe if you took a moment to catch your breath and check your sources before posting false information about this crisis, you wouldn't make this same mistake.
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What preexisting medical conditions were involved? How long did they delay getting medical care?
They went to a family reunion on March 10 and ended up dead by March 19.
This virus spreads fast, easily, and escalates quickly.
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For the day, sure.
Using the average, since February 1 there have been 768 people die in the streets from automobile impacts. The updated number (average per day) is 17 https://www.nhtsa.gov/road-safety/pedestrian-safety (https://www.nhtsa.gov/road-safety/pedestrian-safety)
That is completely irrelevant to the discussion of what's going on with this dangerous virus as it escalates.
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They went to a family reunion on March 10 and ended up dead by March 19.
This virus spreads fast, easily, and escalates quickly.
Family reunions...hugs, slobbery kisses from aunties, etc. Close quarters. Also genetic similarities within the group (family, related), including predispositions toward heart disease, diabetes, and high blood pressure. Lots of possibility for transmission of a hefty viral load to a group who may have been in the high risk category.
Yes, it is tragic.
Please look at the risk factors involved when considering mortality.
See:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-18/99-of-those-who-died-from-virus-had-other-illness-italy-says (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-18/99-of-those-who-died-from-virus-had-other-illness-italy-says)
Keep in mind that any factors which may enhance resistance may be similarly present in other groups.
It' may well be a case of genetic roulette, if not directly for resistance to the disease, then for the factors which contribute to mortality.
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That is completely irrelevant to the discussion of what's going on with this dangerous virus as it escalates.
It is perspective. Perspective is always relevant.
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I am way against most of what's going on, especially for the money being lost in business and printed by the government... I think media and government blew this up way out of proportion.
However, a few things done by this administration have been absolutely brilliant.
For instance: Plowing away red tape and liability issues, at least for masks, and maybe for more... N95 masks are available (35m) that could not be sold for medical purposes - only 10m medical masks were around- But now the industrial rated mask (same exact thing) can be sold into the medical system, instantly more than tripling availability and production
Excellent.
Also, plowing down red tape blocking first responders and medical personnel during emergencies...
Now those assets can work across state lines nationwide where they could not before...
Absolutely excellent.
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That is completely irrelevant to the discussion of what's going on with this dangerous virus as it escalates.
To some here the stats are everything. Almost like they are watching a baseball game. These are real people with real families who have perished.
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That is completely irrelevant to the discussion of what's going on with this dangerous virus as it escalates.
It puts it in perspective. Because statistics show that crossing the street is more dangerous than this virus at the moment in time.
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I am way against most of what's going on, especially for the money being lost in business and printed by the government... I think media and government blew this up way out of proportion.
However, a few things done by this administration have been absolutely brilliant.
For instance: Plowing away red tape and liability issues, at least for masks, and maybe for more... N95 masks are available (35m) that could not be sold for medical purposes - only 10m medical masks were around- But now the industrial rated mask (same exact thing) can be sold into the medical system, instantly more than tripling availability and production
Excellent.
Also, plowing down red tape blocking first responders and medical personnel during emergencies...
Now those assets can work across state lines nationwide where they could not before...
Absolutely excellent.
He has been very good at clearing a path through the cow pasture of bureaucracy.
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To some here the stats are everything. Almost like they are watching a baseball game. These are real people with real families who have perished.
People who die crossing the street are also real people with real families who have perished.
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To some here the stats are everything. Almost like they are watching a baseball game. These are real people with real families who have perished.
So were the ones who died crossing the street.
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This (https://abcnews.go.com/US/coronavirus-live-updates-us-death-toll-surpasses-100/story?id=69636160) is the link that was in your post (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,388835.msg2172734.html#msg2172734). The date for that ABC was clearly marked as follows:
By Emily Shapiro, Jon Haworth, and Karma Allen | March 17, 2020, 11:06 PM
Again, that is your link. The link you posted. And in the very first sentence of that link, it clearly says 110 deaths.
Maybe if you took a moment to catch your breath and check your sources before posting false information about this crisis, you wouldn't make this same mistake.
I said I got it off bing, you are quibbling on information and making accusations at others.:
https://www.bing.com/search?form=MOZSBR&pc=MOZI&q=death+toll+usa+coronavirus (https://www.bing.com/search?form=MOZSBR&pc=MOZI&q=death+toll+usa+coronavirus)
It's still up there, 17 hours ago. Bing says that. Nothing you say is proving so.
Big deal going to the link, they update information, what you say is not being proven so.
US coronavirus death toll surpasses 100; Kevin Durant tests positive
States are shutting down restaurants, bars, gyms and schools to try to stop the spread of the novel coronavirus, which has ...
ABC 18h
https://www.bing.com/news/search?q=death+toll+usa+coronavirus&FORM=HDRSC6 (https://www.bing.com/news/search?q=death+toll+usa+coronavirus&FORM=HDRSC6)
Again, please cease the insults, this is news aggregation.... and if it went from 110 to 154, the number is bigger now.
If one is questioning bing, so be it. But please spare me the personal attacks.
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To some here the stats are everything. Almost like they are watching a baseball game. These are real people with real families who have perished.
That's not right or fair.
One cannot serve the aggregate on the basis of the increment.
And this IS a statistical game.
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By the way, per this: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/)
Deaths are now at 171; so that is indeed, a decided increase from 154 just an hour or so ago... so, the information is very fluid.
By the way, someone posted the "surpasses 100 deaths" story, this is just for arguing, I guess, if one is just looking to insult another, we can all probably do that with their posts.
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100 Pages
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That's not right or fair.
One cannot serve the aggregate on the basis of the increment.
And this IS a statistical game.
*****rollingeyes*****
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I said I got it off bing, you are quibbling on information and making accusations at others.:
No, I am saying that you were dead-ass wrong when you claimed the number to be at 100 seventeen hours ago.
It's still up there, 17 hours ago. Bing says that. Nothing you say is proving so.
Your own link (https://abcnews.go.com/US/coronavirus-live-updates-us-death-toll-surpasses-100/story?id=69636160) in your own post (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,388835.msg2172734.html#msg2172734) proves it so. QED.
Big deal going to the link, they update information, what you say is not being proven so.
When they update information, they say "Updated" and provide the time stamp when it was updated. In THE LINK YOU PROVIDED, it clearly shows it to be over a day and a half old. Maybe if you actually checked the veracity of your source material instead of lying about what it says, people would actually begin to take you seriously. But as long as you continue down this path, you are actually doing a disservice to your own goal, because people have grown tired of hearing you cry 'Wolf!".
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100 Pages
The page is not full yet.
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That's not right or fair.
One cannot serve the aggregate on the basis of the increment.
And this IS a statistical game.
As cold as it may seem how else shall we determine a collective course of action, especially one with such potential implications for our liberties? We've seen how the anecdotal can be used to set policy - never a good idea.
For example pictures of a drowned Syrian child sparked a ME invasion of western Europe.
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The page is not full yet.
It won't take long.
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No, I am saying that you were dead-ass wrong when you claimed the number to be at 100 seventeen hours ago.
Your own link (https://abcnews.go.com/US/coronavirus-live-updates-us-death-toll-surpasses-100/story?id=69636160) in your own post (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,388835.msg2172734.html#msg2172734) proves it so. QED.
When they update information, they say "Updated" and provide the time stamp when it was updated. In THE LINK YOU PROVIDED, it clearly shows it to be over a day and a half old. Maybe if you actually checked the veracity of your source material instead of lying about what it says, people would actually begin to take you seriously. But as long as you continue down this path, you are actually doing a disservice to your own goal, because people have grown tired of hearing you cry 'Wolf!".
Am I to say to @Snokin Joe you got your information wrong and accuse him of posting false information? The way you are goinig after someone proves that and you are helping us lose the point, that those killed jaywalking is higher than those who die of the Coronavirus, that's the heart of the matter and my information rebukes that more than your harrassment, libel, personal attacks and vulgar language.
My information was a lot more on point that Smokin Joe's information, why are you not going after others? Because you are singling one out but I will go find those posting about 16 deaths jaywalking to please you.
Again, 18 hours - Bing.com That's also what my info told me.
We are in a discussion that doesn't merit picking on my one post, it is also aside from the main point.
Take it to messaging, if you have any further to say.
Coronavirus: Reported death toll crosses 100 in US as outbreak spreads to all 50 states
Faizan Javed
1 day ago
https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/world/coronavirus-reported-death-toll-crosses-100-in-us-as-outbreak-spreads-to-all-50-states/ar-BB11kWvN (https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/world/coronavirus-reported-death-toll-crosses-100-in-us-as-outbreak-spreads-to-all-50-states/ar-BB11kWvN)
Can anyone read this with link, one day ago, "toll crosses 100", if anyone is quibbling with whether it is pass the 100 mark, then, one is just nit-picking.
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Sixteen people die per day, on average in the US from pedestrian/vehicle accidents. So far, the jaywalkers are ahead.
False, it doesn't help if you are posting inaccurate and false information.
Is this to aid Chinese Communist disinformation?
You are crying wolf and you do your own cause a disservice.
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As cold as it may seem how else shall we determine a collective course of action, especially one with such potential implications for our liberties? We've seen how the anecdotal can be used to set policy - never a good idea.
For example pictures of a drowned Syrian child sparked a ME invasion of western Europe.
That's right... It seems cold and all. I get it. But hundreds of billions lost in the market and trillions spent by the government, on the basis of infections (deaths) that are so very small...
If this chloroquine play actually works as hoped, and supply can be manufactured to meet demand, which it can, then all those hundreds of billions lost, and all those trillions spent, will be over a death toll that is less than a fair sized train wreck could produce...
Not to mention the loss of liberty which could be permanent.
That is an overreaction of EPIC proportions... Several orders of magnitude bigger than epic.
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Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okg7uq_HrhQ&t=319s#)
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Coronavirus deaths in US cross 100, Trump still hesitant about lockdown
The state of Washington currently has the highest death toll at 54 people. The virus made it into a Seattle nursing home and killed 30.
By REUTERS MARCH 18, 2020 07:27
https://www.jpost.com/International/Over-100-dead-of-coronavirus-in-the-US-confirmed-cases-in-all-50-states-621372 (https://www.jpost.com/International/Over-100-dead-of-coronavirus-in-the-US-confirmed-cases-in-all-50-states-621372)
That still says YESTERDAY!
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It is perspective. Perspective is always relevant.
We all have perspective here and understand that people die in all sorts of ways. It’s irrelevant to this thread.
I know that five or six of you are trying to dismiss the severity of this very different situation we are all in, but maybe you can all start your own thread with all the scoffing you feel like doing, and let the rest of us get information here about a serious healthcare crisis that is scientifically and medically being dealt with by serious people.
And make sure, in spite of your cynicism, that you do the things necessary to keep yourself and your families healthy.
Btw, people don’t usually die in 9 days from a family reunion.
The callousness it takes to summarily disregard that is breathtaking.
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I am way against most of what's going on, especially for the money being lost in business and printed by the government... I think media and government blew this up way out of proportion.
However, a few things done by this administration have been absolutely brilliant.
For instance: Plowing away red tape and liability issues, at least for masks, and maybe for more... N95 masks are available (35m) that could not be sold for medical purposes - only 10m medical masks were around- But now the industrial rated mask (same exact thing) can be sold into the medical system, instantly more than tripling availability and production
Excellent.
Also, plowing down red tape blocking first responders and medical personnel during emergencies...
Now those assets can work across state lines nationwide where they could not before...
Absolutely excellent.
:yowsa: :amen:
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TomSea wrote:
"Also, at the same ABC link above (not as good as your link) but it is talking of one ER Doctor exposed to the virus, let's hope we don't have much more of this, the link says there's potential many were exposed but we are suppose to have our voices shut down because we are being alarmist."
According to some information in this post I put up earlier today:
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,388835.msg2172378.html#msg2172378 (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,388835.msg2172378.html#msg2172378)
“Research shows that chloroquine also has strong potential as a prophylactic (preventative) measure against coronavirus in the lab, while we wait for a vaccine to be developed."
To research this, I would suggest that medical personnel (doctors and others) working in close contact with COVID-19 patients undertake a study using small doses of chloroquine as "a prophylactic" to see if that increases their chances of NOT becoming infected.
It could provide useful information...
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That's right... It seems cold and all. I get it. But hundreds of billions lost in the market and trillions spent by the government, on the basis of infections (deaths) that are so very small...
If this chloroquine play actually works as hoped, and supply can be manufactured to meet demand, which it can, then all those hundreds of billions lost, and all those trillions spent, will be over a death toll that is less than a fair sized train wreck could produce...
Not to mention the loss of liberty which could be permanent.
That is an overreaction of EPIC proportions... Several orders of magnitude bigger than epic.
All one has to do is compare the reaction to this virus to the response to prior viral outbreaks of even more deadly viruses like the seasonal flu.
Something is different today and it’s not just the particular strain of virus involved. I believe it’s politics, ala never let a good crisis go to waste, and the DNC and media are fully on board with this “crisis.â€
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Am I to say to @Snokin Joe you got your information wrong and accuse him of posting false information? The way you are goinig after someone proves that and you are helping us lose the point, that those killed jaywalking is higher than those who die of the Coronavirus, that's the heart of the matter and my information rebukes that more than your harrassment, libel, personal attacks and vulgar language.
My information was a lot more on point that Smokin Joe's information, why are you not going after others? Because you are singling one out but I will go find those posting about 16 deaths jaywalking to please you.
@TomSea At least spell my handle right.
You're right, it isn't 16, it's 17 per day killed crossing the street (2018 numbers, NHTSA). And yes, when you consider the response to things far more deadly, on a day to day basis, it should give pause to the sight of empty store shelves and general panic.
As has been warned, killing this economy will kill more people than the virus in the long run. (my prediction, because no jobs=no health insurance).
While statistics might seem cold and impersonal, they are. They are numbers. They have no more feelings than a virus.
I have done my best to provide perspective by posting that 99% of the dead in Italy had some preexisting condition or combination thereof which complicated their treatment, that they lived in an area with the worst air pollution in the country, and that there ARE specific factors which enhance risk, either present through genetics or lifestyle or both.
Which means, that there is a significant part of the population, real people, as I am so often reminded, with children and family and feelings and who used to have the two or three jobs needed to support their children, who will lose those jobs as businesses are shuttered across the country, some never to reopen because they were mom and pop small businesses who will have bills to pay and no revenue. The owners of the businesses will lose whatever they have invested, often everything. Geez. They have feelings, too.
How about just getting some facts out there about who this disease is most likely to target, and let people assess their own risk, including the risk to their loved ones?
The last thing to have this sort of impact on our economy was obamacare, crushing small businesses, which are the lifeblood of our economy.
The Oil Industry pulled the country out of that slump. That won't happen with $20-something per barrel oil.
So, where are people going to look for economic salvation?
Government.
They already are, only many people won't get any help there, and won't get a dime of the money being pandered about in Congress.
Who is going to bid higher for the votes in 2020 (with taxpayer dollars that haven't been earned yet)?
If the GOP kills that, then what? Feel painted into a corner yet?
If you can't see that very emotional argument coming, you're looking the wrong way.
Which is exactly why we need, and I mean desperately need, to maintain perspective during this outbreak.
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Melania Trump Delivers Urgent Message To American People: ‘We are all in this together, this is not how we’ll live forever’
written by J.C McCallum March 19, 2020
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Melania Trump sent out an urgent message to the American people and united the nation with a reminder of what is truly important.
Melania urged the nation to follow the guidelines to “stay safe†and reminded us that “this is not how we will live forever.â€
She asked Americans to continue to come together, as most have done, reminding us that “we are all in this together.â€
Read more at: https://newsthud.com/melania-trump-delivers-urgent-message-to-american-people-we-are-all-in-this-together-this-is-not-how-well-live-forever/
11AM, March 19, 2020, this date I think might be the right one.
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All one has to do is compare the reaction to this virus to the response to prior viral outbreaks of even more deadly viruses like the seasonal flu.
Something is different today and it’s not just the particular strain of virus involved. I believe it’s politics, ala never let a good crisis go to waste, and the DNC and media are fully on board with this “crisis.â€
And I think our collective lack of confidence in what we are being told, not because of President Trump, we have been lied to for so long for so many reasons, the government is just not viewed as reliable...
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We all have perspective here and understand that people die in all sorts of ways. It’s irrelevant to this thread.
I know that five or six of you are trying to dismiss the severity of this very different situation we are all in, but maybe you can all start your own thread with all the scoffing you feel like doing, and let the rest of us get information here about a serious healthcare crisis that is scientifically and medically being dealt with by serious people.
And make sure, in spite of your cynicism, that you do the things necessary to keep yourself and your families healthy.
Btw, people don’t usually die in 9 days from a family reunion.
The callousness it takes to summarily disregard that is breathtaking.
If I knew where you lived I'd send you a case of toilet paper for that comment. happy77
Very...very...very....well said.
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For the day, sure.
Using the average, since February 1 there have been 768 people die in the streets from automobile impacts. The updated number (average per day) is 17 https://www.nhtsa.gov/road-safety/pedestrian-safety (https://www.nhtsa.gov/road-safety/pedestrian-safety)
Not to mention the average of 138 to 345 which die each day from the common flu. And remember this is in spite of many people taking flu shots, whereas no one has yet taken a flu shot for CV 19.
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm (https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm)
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All one has to do is compare the reaction to this virus to the response to prior viral outbreaks of even more deadly viruses like the seasonal flu.
Something is different today and it’s not just the particular strain of virus involved. I believe it’s politics, ala never let a good crisis go to waste, and the DNC and media are fully on board with this “crisis.â€
I agree with you 100% @aligncare and not one word of that downplays the seriousness of the China Virus!
The left has invested over 100 years and many $$$ to get them to where they are at present in this country and they WILL NOT see all that lost without one hell of a fight!
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All one has to do is compare the reaction to this virus to the response to prior viral outbreaks of even more deadly viruses like the seasonal flu.
Something is different today and it’s not just the particular strain of virus involved. I believe it’s politics, ala never let a good crisis go to waste, and the DNC and media are fully on board with this “crisis.â€
There is a game afoot... Never let a good crisis, etc... Can't see what it is, because the players are on all sides. That could be various sides vying for advantage, or it could be all sides moving as one... It is too worried up to tell.
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Throwing this out there
I want to know why Italy seems worse off than other countries...
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We all have perspective here and understand that people die in all sorts of ways. It’s irrelevant to this thread.
I know that five or six of you are trying to dismiss the severity of this very different situation we are all in, but maybe you can all start your own thread with all the scoffing you feel like doing, and let the rest of us get information here about a serious healthcare crisis that is scientifically and medically being dealt with by serious people.
And make sure, in spite of your cynicism, that you do the things necessary to keep yourself and your families healthy.
Btw, people don’t usually die in 9 days from a family reunion.
The callousness it takes to summarily disregard that is breathtaking.
I am a scientist. Call me callous as you please, I really don't care.
That won't change the cold, hard, facts.
Those people didn't "die in 9 days from a family reunion", this wasn't some inner-city gathering in a drive-by shooting.
They died of a virus, and I'll bet if you had all the facts, you would find that these genetically related people had one or more of the conditions which enhance their probability of succumbing to the disease. Not to mention that in any family reunion, the family elders are usually present. All the high risk factors may be present.
But we are dealing with panic induced by cherry picked and omitted data and that is poor, thin, gruel to base decisions upon.
If rationality seems cold and unfeeling, then you are correct, but it is rational, not emotional, as so much of what I am seeing here is. If you think policy is best served by feelings, then you are barking up the wrong tree. Emotionally based decisions are Democrat fare.
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The Italian healthcare system has an inadequate numbers of ICUs compared with the U.S.. Because of this and the large population of elderly, a socialized medical system, and the larger number of Chinese in Milan working in the garment industry, I doubt the U.S. will ever see the same numbers of per capita deaths experienced in Italy.
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Throwing this out there
I want to know why Italy seems worse off than other countries...
1. Hundreds of thousands of imported Chinese workers and the attendant constant flights in and out of China.
2. Government-run healthcare system
3. higher average age than others.
For starters @mystery-ak
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Throwing this out there
I want to know why Italy seems worse off than other countries...
High cholesterol is common. Similarly, High Blood Pressure, heart disease, and diabetes were present (one or more) in 99% of the population affected who died. Those are identifiable risk factors.
In addition, the average age of those who died in Italy was 79.5 years old, by the last data I have seen.
With that in mind, we see that it appears that:
High Blood Pressure
Coronary disease
Diabetes
Elevated Age (60+)
are all factors which make mortality far more likely.
Note: That isn't saying that risk is solely confined to people who fall into those categories, but that mortality seems to be associated with one or more underlying medical conditions.
If you will note,virtually every death we heard about earlier on mentioned "preexisting medical conditions".
What we have not heard about (although in some cases that data is absent) is many people dying who had no preexisting conditions, and some of those may have simply been undiagnosed.
Also absent are the numbers which might indicate asymptomatic or mild cases of the disease, numbers which would drive mortality rates down. That is because testing is limited to those who present symptoms, and not done on the general population as a whole. So, while the disease has the characteristics of something highly contagious we really don't know howmany people are inherently resistant to catching it, nor what factors may enhance resistance.
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The Italian healthcare system has an inadequate numbers of ICUs compared with the U.S.. Because of this and the large population of elderly, a socialized medical system, and the larger number of Chinese in Milan working in the garment industry, I doubt the U.S. will ever see the same numbers of per capita deaths experienced in Italy.
thanks
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1. Hundreds of thousands of imported Chinese workers and the attendant constant flights in and out of China.
2. Government-run healthcare system
3. higher average age than others.
For starters @mystery-ak
Exactly. It’s foolish to make direct comparisons with Italy or China for that matter.
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All one has to do is compare the reaction to this virus to the response to prior viral outbreaks of even more deadly viruses like the seasonal flu.
Something is different today and it’s not just the particular strain of virus involved. I believe it’s politics, ala never let a good crisis go to waste, and the DNC and media are fully on board with this “crisis.â€
I'm not sure if you have never been to Italy, I have, not Northern Italy where Milan and Venice are. Don't you think some of alarm is simply because we have seen it in other countries, they are having a tough time. I'm not sure, I believe President Trump said something like "We stand with the Brave people of Italy". I think some of this too, is just alarm at the possibilities of what we see in other places.
Hey, I've already seen the masks out for past flu seasons, forget this one.
Italy too, where we are talking about them having a tough time, is Northern Italy, so one hears 475 dead the other day in Italy, they are mostly from the North. Are we just shrugging this off? Do we even know this?
Italy coronavirus deaths rise by record 475 in a day
18 March 2020
The number of people dying from coronavirus in Italy has risen by 475 in one day to nearly 3,000 - the biggest increase since the outbreak.
There are a total of 35,713 confirmed cases in the country, with more than 4,000 having successfully recovered.
Lombardy, the worst-hit region, recorded 319 deaths in one day.
Read more at: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-51952712 (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-51952712)
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Yes, mainstream media, some outlets are attacking the president over this... but a lot of this information is just straight.
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Exactly. It’s foolish to make direct comparisons with Italy or China for that matter.
That's right - If things go well on this chloroquin play, The difference between US and Italian response will go down in history in vast favor of the free market.
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I'm not sure if you have never been to Italy, I have, not Northern Italy where Milan and Venice are. Don't you think some of alarm is simply because we have seen it in other countries, they are having a tough time. I'm not sure, I believe President Trump said something like "We stand with the Brave people of Italy". I think some of this too, is just alarm at the possibilities of what we see in other places.
Hey, I've already seen the masks out for past flu seasons, forget this one.
Italy too, where we are talking about them having a tough time, is Northern Italy, so one hears 475 dead the other day in Italy, they are mostly from the North. Are we just shrugging this off? Do we even know this?
(http://img.nittygrits.org/images/maps/italy-lombardy.jpg)
Yes, mainstream media, some outlets are attacking the president over this... but a lot of this information is just straight.
I have been around/worked with Italians for months on end and love them but their very lifestyle, as well as their genetic makeup, MAY very well make them more susceptible to this particular virus. Who knows? :shrug:
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I have been around/worked with Italians for months on end and love them but their very lifestyle, as well as their genetic makeup, MAY very well make them more susceptible to this particular virus. Who knows? :shrug:
I am banking on a bloated socialized medical system, too calcified and top heavy to move with agility.
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1. Hundreds of thousands of imported Chinese workers and the attendant constant flights in and out of China.
2. Government-run healthcare system
3. higher average age than others.
For starters @mystery-ak
These include direct flights to Wuhan.
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Again, reports have been out there, posted the other day, you can count deaths, are we getting the figures for hospital beds? Youths are still having to ICU, probably use meds, nurses, doctors, may use defibrillators and respirators.
Italy:
She also said COVID-19 -- which has infected at least 210,000 people, leaving more than 8,800 people dead worldwide -- could hit younger people harder than believed, noting reports from France and Italy of serious cases even among 20 and 30-somethings.
https://news.yahoo.com/youth-warned-against-fever-dream-coronavirus-invicibility-055907018.html
A lot of people must be online, slow loading but even from that little snippet above, coronavirus is hardly targetting weak elderly patients and an article was posted too, that some, vapers and smokers, may get lung damage from this.
I believe, even if it was sought to be hushed up, that another article seemed to show 17 under-50s had died and they, like the elderly vast majority, appeared to have some pre-existing conditions.
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We all have perspective here and understand that people die in all sorts of ways. It’s irrelevant to this thread.
I know that five or six of you are trying to dismiss the severity of this very different situation we are all in, but maybe you can all start your own thread with all the scoffing you feel like doing, and let the rest of us get information here about a serious healthcare crisis that is scientifically and medically being dealt with by serious people.
And make sure, in spite of your cynicism, that you do the things necessary to keep yourself and your families healthy.
Btw, people don’t usually die in 9 days from a family reunion.
The callousness it takes to summarily disregard that is breathtaking.
@musiclady
President Trump is now providing steady leadership to combat the virus. His actions have been fast, dramatic, and consistent for seven days now. He has shown remarkable focus on the problem in the daily press briefings. Today he announced FDA approval of some medical treatments and even more medicine trials, and even though he couldn't pronounce them, I found that reassuring. He continues to call for unity, bi-partianship, and remembers to also praise others when he pats himself on the back. I can see he is really trying hard even though he feels bitter about being unfairly blamed for this pandemic.
My President has picked a direction, and laid out a 15 day guideline. I am willing to put aside my mistrust in him, and give my President the benefit of the doubt, that he has assembled the data and believe his direction is necessary to save lives.
The good news is maybe it will work. Death will be minimized.
I also hope when this is all done the "five or six" you mention can point and laugh at my stupidity, because it was no big deal.
I would hate to loses even one Briefer, especially one I made feel badly in the pursuit of a joke.
I really want my President to succeed
plus I'm getting a check /sarc
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@musiclady
President Trump is now providing steady leadership to combat the virus. His actions have been fast, dramatic, and consistent for seven days now. He has shown remarkable focus on the problem in the daily press briefings. Today he announced FDA approval of some medical treatments and even more medicine trials, and even though he couldn't pronounce them, I found that reassuring. He continues to call for unity, bi-partianship, and remembers to also praise others when he pats himself on the back. I can see he is really trying hard even though he feels bitter about being unfairly blamed for this pandemic.
My President has picked a direction, and laid out a 15 day guideline. I am willing to put aside my mistrust in him, and give my President the benefit of the doubt, that he has assembled the data and believe his direction is necessary to save lives.
The good news is maybe it will work. Death will be minimized.
I also hope when this is all done the "five or six" you mention can point and laugh at my stupidity, because it was no big deal.
I would hate to loses even one Briefer, especially one I made feel badly in the pursuit of a joke.
I really want my President to succeed
plus I'm getting a check /sarc
@Once-Ler
Well said... my view as well.
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Is anyone else feeling overwhelmed by this? And depressed?
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I am a scientist. Call me callous as you please, I really don't care.
That won't change the cold, hard, facts.
Those people didn't "die in 9 days from a family reunion", this wasn't some inner-city gathering in a drive-by shooting.
They died of a virus, and I'll bet if you had all the facts, you would find that these genetically related people had one or more of the conditions which enhance their probability of succumbing to the disease. Not to mention that in any family reunion, the family elders are usually present. All the high risk factors may be present.
But we are dealing with panic induced by cherry picked and omitted data and that is poor, thin, gruel to base decisions upon.
If rationality seems cold and unfeeling, then you are correct, but it is rational, not emotional, as so much of what I am seeing here is. If you think policy is best served by feelings, then you are barking up the wrong tree. Emotionally based decisions are Democrat fare.
Lots of us are genetically challenged. You make it sound like those people are throwaway people because they have some defect. They didn't cross the street. They didn't gather in gang land. They minded their own business and had a seriously bad outcome because at least one of them came into contact with someone infected with the Chinese coronavirus. None of us know how well or badly our bodies will respond to this virus. There's legitimate concern about going bankrupt from being in intensive care or losing a family member that isn't in awesome health. The cities are much different than the rural areas as far as risk goes.
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I'm glad Governor Abbott of Texas is taking this pandemic, health emergency seriously and putting safety measures in effect. Saving lives.....
https://gov.texas.gov/news/post/governor-abbott-issues-executive-orders-in-accordance-with-federal-guidelines-to-mitigate-spread-of-covid-19-in-texas (https://gov.texas.gov/news/post/governor-abbott-issues-executive-orders-in-accordance-with-federal-guidelines-to-mitigate-spread-of-covid-19-in-texas)
The following orders have been issued by Governor Abbott:
Order No. 1: In accordance with the Guidelines from the President and the CDC, every person in Texas shall avoid social gatherings in groups of more than 10 people.
Order No. 2: In accordance with the Guidelines from the President and the CDC, people shall avoid eating or drinking at bars, restaurants, and food courts, or visiting gyms or massage parlors; provided, however, that the use of drive-thru, pickup, or delivery options is allowed and highly encouraged throughout the limited duration of this executive order.
Order No. 3: In accordance with the Guidelines from the President and the CDC, people shall not visit nursing homes or retirement or long-term care facilities unless to provide critical assistance.
Order No. 4: In accordance with the Guidelines from the President and the CDC, schools shall temporarily close.
These orders will be effective on a statewide basis starting at 11:59 PM on March 20, 2020 and will end at 11:59 PM on April 3, 2020, subject to extension thereafter based on the status of COVID-19 in Texas and the recommendations of the CDC.
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Is anyone else feeling overwhelmed by this? And depressed?
@Gefn
It is easy to get overwhelmed between the non-stop yammering by the media and our own concerns for family and friends.
I had to turn off the news and leave the TV on the old westerns and just get my information from TBR... It is more varied anyway and I can walk away when I have had enough.
I take time and go for a walk thru the park with my grandson... the parks are empty so no risk of getting close to anyone..
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Lots of us are genetically challenged. You make it sound like those people are throwaway people because they have some defect. They didn't cross the street. They didn't gather in gang land. They minded their own business and had a seriously bad outcome because at least one of them came into contact with someone infected with the Chinese coronavirus. None of us know how well or badly our bodies will respond to this virus. There's legitimate concern about going bankrupt from being in intensive care or losing a family member that isn't in awesome health. The cities are much different than the rural areas as far as risk goes.
“If they would rather die, they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population and so we can get the Olive Garden back open.â€
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@musiclady
President Trump is now providing steady leadership to combat the virus. His actions have been fast, dramatic, and consistent for seven days now. He has shown remarkable focus on the problem in the daily press briefings. Today he announced FDA approval of some medical treatments and even more medicine trials, and even though he couldn't pronounce them, I found that reassuring. He continues to call for unity, bi-partianship, and remembers to also praise others when he pats himself on the back. I can see he is really trying hard even though he feels bitter about being unfairly blamed for this pandemic.
My President has picked a direction, and laid out a 15 day guideline. I am willing to put aside my mistrust in him, and give my President the benefit of the doubt, that he has assembled the data and believe his direction is necessary to save lives.
The good news is maybe it will work. Death will be minimized.
I also hope when this is all done the "five or six" you mention can point and laugh at my stupidity, because it was no big deal.
I would hate to loses even one Briefer, especially one I made feel badly in the pursuit of a joke.
I really want my President to succeed
plus I'm getting a check /sarc
I completely agree.
My respect for President Trump has gone up tremendously because of the actions he's taken to protect the American people from this viral invasion.
It is his duty......... as it is the duty of all responsible state leaders like Gov. DeWine (who has led amazingly), other Governors, and now Gov. Abbott of the GREAT state of Texas.
Kudos to them for taking charge.
I wish everyone here well, no matter how seriously or not they are taking this VERY REAL HEALTH CRISIS.
And I am praying for the well being of each Briefer and each family member of each.
We are in this together, and I pray that God is honored once again in this nation, perhaps because of this, and that we come out even stronger TOGETHER.
(But I don't want the check. happy77)
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Lots of us are genetically challenged. You make it sound like those people are throwaway people because they have some defect. They didn't cross the street. They didn't gather in gang land. They minded their own business and had a seriously bad outcome because at least one of them came into contact with someone infected with the Chinese coronavirus. None of us know how well or badly our bodies will respond to this virus. There's legitimate concern about going bankrupt from being in intensive care or losing a family member that isn't in awesome health. The cities are much different than the rural areas as far as risk goes.
I don't like the idea of expendable people, no matter if it comes from the left or the right.
People should NOT die in a week and a half because they went to a family reunion and hugged each other.
For heaven's sake............. let's be bigger than that, shall we??
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I just got an alert from the NY Post. Don’t know where this happened but so dang young
20-year-old coronavirus victim was told ‘no need to worry’ by doctors
The tragic 20-year-old soccer coach who is one of the youngest known coronavirus victims had been sent home twice while seeking help — told by his doctor that there was “no need to worry,†according to his family.
Spanish youth coach Francisco Garcia — who would have turned 21 in October — initially thought he had a common cold when he fell ill on March 6, his stepfather, Juan Fernandez, told the Sun.
“He had a sore throat but he didn’t have a temperature,†Fernandez said, with his stepson seeing his doctor in Malaga three days later.
“His doctor told him to take paracetamol [acetaminophen] and sent him home and said there was no need to worry.â€
https://nypost.com/2020/03/19/20-year-old-coronavirus-victim-was-told-no-need-to-worry-by-doctors/
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I posted this in the NJ thread, but I’m double posting here.
Fourth person in NJ family has died from the coronavirus
A New Jersey family has lost a fourth member to the coronavirus, according to a report Thursday.
Vincent Fusco died at CentraState Medical Center in Freehold, cousin and Fusco family lawyer Roseann Paradiso Fodera told nj.com.
Fusco was among four siblings being treated for the disease at the hospital, where his mom, Grace Fusco, 73, died Wednesday night.
Another of Grace’s 11 offspring, Carmine Fusco, died earlier Wednesday in Pennsylvania, following last week’s death of his sister, Rita Fusco-Jackson.
https://nypost.com/2020/03/19/fourth-person-in-nj-family-has-died-from-the-coronavirus/
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I posted this in the NJ thread, but I’m double posting here.
Fourth person in NJ family has died from the coronavirus
https://nypost.com/2020/03/19/fourth-person-in-nj-family-has-died-from-the-coronavirus/
This is truly tragic. 8888crybaby
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@Gefn
It is easy to get overwhelmed between the non-stop yammering by the media and our own concerns for family and friends.
I had to turn off the news and leave the TV on the old westerns and just get my information from TBR... It is more varied anyway and I can walk away when I have had enough.
I take time and go for a walk thru the park with my grandson... the parks are empty so no risk of getting close to anyone..
Thank you @EdinVA
Much appreciated. â¤ï¸
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Is anyone else feeling overwhelmed by this? And depressed?
Of course @Gefn . Most of us in fact.
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I completely agree.
My respect for President Trump has gone up tremendously because of the actions he's taken to protect the American people from this viral invasion.
It is his duty......... as it is the duty of all responsible state leaders like Gov. DeWine (who has led amazingly), other Governors, and now Gov. Abbott of the GREAT state of Texas.
Kudos to them for taking charge.
I wish everyone here well, no matter how seriously or not they are taking this VERY REAL HEALTH CRISIS.
And I am praying for the well being of each Briefer and each family member of each.
We are in this together, and I pray that God is honored once again in this nation, perhaps because of this, and that we come out even stronger TOGETHER.
(But I don't want the check. happy77)
Amen!!! I pray for this country and our President and his family.
As for the check -- well you could always donate what you get to your favorite charity, food pantry, or church?
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Amen!!! I pray for this country and our President and his family.
As for the check -- well you could always donate what you get to your favorite charity, food pantry, or church?
My husband teased that we could pay our taxes with it.
But yours is a better idea! :beer:
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btw, that is one professor whose opinion is in opposition to thousands of other health care professionals and scientists.
Just make sure that in your cynicism, you don't get yourself sick........... or make anyone sick that you care about.
@musiclady
I do have to ask, and please answer me straight,...... Has the way this been handled (which you seem to handily support) worth 10 TRILLION dollars to this economy, and possibly economic conditions not seen in this country since 1929-1937? What is that level of possible pain and suffering worth?
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I'm glad Governor Abbott of Texas is taking this pandemic, health emergency seriously and putting safety measures in effect. Saving lives.....
https://gov.texas.gov/news/post/governor-abbott-issues-executive-orders-in-accordance-with-federal-guidelines-to-mitigate-spread-of-covid-19-in-texas (https://gov.texas.gov/news/post/governor-abbott-issues-executive-orders-in-accordance-with-federal-guidelines-to-mitigate-spread-of-covid-19-in-texas)
The following orders have been issued by Governor Abbott:
Order No. 1: In accordance with the Guidelines from the President and the CDC, every person in Texas shall avoid social gatherings in groups of more than 10 people.
Order No. 2: In accordance with the Guidelines from the President and the CDC, people shall avoid eating or drinking at bars, restaurants, and food courts, or visiting gyms or massage parlors; provided, however, that the use of drive-thru, pickup, or delivery options is allowed and highly encouraged throughout the limited duration of this executive order.
Order No. 3: In accordance with the Guidelines from the President and the CDC, people shall not visit nursing homes or retirement or long-term care facilities unless to provide critical assistance.
Order No. 4: In accordance with the Guidelines from the President and the CDC, schools shall temporarily close.
These orders will be effective on a statewide basis starting at 11:59 PM on March 20, 2020 and will end at 11:59 PM on April 3, 2020, subject to extension thereafter based on the status of COVID-19 in Texas and the recommendations of the CDC.
And it bothers you not at all that government officials have this much power over you and your life @musiclady ?
ALL they need is a pretext.
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I'm glad Governor Abbott of Texas is taking this pandemic, health emergency seriously and putting safety measures in effect. Saving lives.....
https://gov.texas.gov/news/post/governor-abbott-issues-executive-orders-in-accordance-with-federal-guidelines-to-mitigate-spread-of-covid-19-in-texas (https://gov.texas.gov/news/post/governor-abbott-issues-executive-orders-in-accordance-with-federal-guidelines-to-mitigate-spread-of-covid-19-in-texas)
The following orders have been issued by Governor Abbott:
Order No. 1: In accordance with the Guidelines from the President and the CDC, every person in Texas shall avoid social gatherings in groups of more than 10 people.
Order No. 2: In accordance with the Guidelines from the President and the CDC, people shall avoid eating or drinking at bars, restaurants, and food courts, or visiting gyms or massage parlors; provided, however, that the use of drive-thru, pickup, or delivery options is allowed and highly encouraged throughout the limited duration of this executive order.
Order No. 3: In accordance with the Guidelines from the President and the CDC, people shall not visit nursing homes or retirement or long-term care facilities unless to provide critical assistance.
Order No. 4: In accordance with the Guidelines from the President and the CDC, schools shall temporarily close.
These orders will be effective on a statewide basis starting at 11:59 PM on March 20, 2020 and will end at 11:59 PM on April 3, 2020, subject to extension thereafter based on the status of COVID-19 in Texas and the recommendations of the CDC.
Me too. I like Gov Abbott. He's a great Governor and pretty popular even outside the GOP base.
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@musiclady
I do have to ask, and please answer me straight,...... Has the way this been handled (which you seem to handily support) worth 10 TRILLION dollars to this economy, and possibly economic conditions not seen in this country since 1929-1937? What is that level of possible pain and suffering worth?
To illustrate by absurdity:
"No matter how many trillions it cost, if we save one life, it's worth it"
TRUE or FALSE?
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@musiclady
I do have to ask, and please answer me straight,...... Has the way this been handled (which you seem to handily support) worth 10 TRILLION dollars to this economy, and possibly economic conditions not seen in this country since 1929-1937? What is that level of possible pain and suffering worth?
We do not yet know what the cost will be, so your number is suspect.
But to answer your question (assuming it's legitimate)...... there is nothing in anything I've said anywhere that says I "handily support" everything about the way this has been handled. I don't.
What I object to is the few here who are dismissing it out of hand because people die all sorts of ways, some may deserve it, anyone who is taking this seriously is some kind of fool, or lemming, or whatever insult you want to level at the majority of Americans.....
The media and the left has been despicable about this, and I do not get ANY of my information from them. NONE of it.
I have been listening to and reading from medical and scientific experts from the beginning. I have been calm, but informed about this pandemic and have listened to the voices of hundreds of conservatives who are also taking this seriously.
Whether or not you think one or two here are overdoing it, the idea of completely dismissing the unique threat this causes to lives and our society, is to me, irresponsible.
I am 70 years old with no comorbidities. I am taking daily walks, but other than that, doing what I believe is the responsible and adult thing to do...... staying home.
Now, this thread is not about me. It's about the pandemic that is taking more and more lives daily and is still on the upswing.
So I'd prefer to keep it that way.
I hope, however, that I have answered your questions and corrected your incorrect assumptions about people who are concerned about the health and well being of every single American who might be affected by this insidious, unprecedented zoonotic disease.
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Amen!!! I pray for this country and our President and his family.
As for the check -- well you could always donate what you get to your favorite charity, food pantry, or church?
Mrs. Lando said we are donating anything we receive (unless it is toilet paper).
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Order No. 2: In accordance with the Guidelines from the President and the CDC, people shall avoid eating or drinking at bars, restaurants, and food courts, or visiting gyms or massage parlors; provided, however, that the use of drive-thru, pickup, or delivery options is allowed and highly encouraged throughout the limited duration of this executive order.
@musiclady
Texas massage parlors have drive-thrus? Who knew? :silly:
Ok,all this coronavirus news is making me loony.. [slinking out of the thread]
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And it bothers you not at all that government officials have this much power over you and your life @musiclady ?
ALL they need is a pretext.
Not if it is at the state level and the "pretext" is saving thousands of lives.
Your governor is not adding fuel to a meaningless fire. He doesn't fit your dismissive, insulting memes.
He is leading the people of Texas to a safer place and helping slow the upsurge of this disease and preserve the precious resources and potentially lives of the medical community of Texas.
And that is admirable.
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@musiclady
Texas massage parlors have drive-thrus? Who knew? :silly:
Ok,all this coronavirus news is making me loony.. [slinking out of the thread]
:rolling:
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To illustrate by absurdity:
"No matter how many trillions it cost, if we save one life, it's worth it"
TRUE or FALSE?
FALSE.
Doing nothing and letting the chips fall where they may, will save the most lives, and is therefore our best course of action.
TRUE or FALSE?
If you said FALSE too then maybe we meet in the middle @roamer_1 .
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@musiclady
I do have to ask, and please answer me straight,...... Has the way this been handled (which you seem to handily support) worth 10 TRILLION dollars to this economy, and possibly economic conditions not seen in this country since 1929-1937? What is that level of possible pain and suffering worth?
This is going to pass. It isn't likely to last more than a couple of months and could be much shorter. Especially if the malaria treatment becomes widely available and works as claimed. The markets will go rocketing up when it does. To lose 10 trillion dollars ALL productivity would have to stop for about 9 months. That's very unlikely.
The biggest danger now is government spending huge amounts of money to "do something".
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FALSE.
Doing nothing and letting the chips fall where they may, will save the most lives, and is therefore our best course of action.
TRUE or FALSE?
If you said FALSE too then maybe we meet in the middle @roamer_1 .
Sure it is false @Once-Ler ... I have never advocated 'doing nothing'.
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Not if it is at the state level and the "pretext" is saving thousands of lives.
Your governor is not adding fuel to a meaningless fire. He doesn't fit your dismissive, insulting memes.
He is leading the people of Texas to a safer place and helping slow the upsurge of this disease and preserve the precious resources and potentially lives of the medical community of Texas.
And that is admirable.
So if the pretext is "admirable" it's anything goes with you. Got it!
**nononono* **nononono* **nononono* **nononono* ****sheep**** ****sheep**** ****sheep****
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Senator Dumped Up to $1.6 Million of Stock After Reassuring Public About Coronavirus Preparedness
Intelligence Chair Richard Burr’s selloff came around the time he was receiving daily briefings on the health threat.
by Robert Faturechi and Derek Willis March 19,
...
Soon after he offered public assurances that the government was ready to battle the coronavirus, the powerful chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, Richard Burr, sold off a significant percentage of his stocks, unloading between $582,029 and $1.56 million of his holdings on Feb. 13 in 29 separate transactions.
As the head of the intelligence committee, Burr, a North Carolina Republican, has access to the government’s most highly classified information about threats to America’s security. His committee was receiving daily coronavirus briefings around this time, according to a Reuters story.
...
On Thursday, Burr came under fire after NPR obtained a secret recording from Feb. 27, in which the lawmaker gave a VIP group at an exclusive social club a much more dire preview of the economic impact of the coronavirus than what he had told the public.
Read more at: https://www.propublica.org/article/senator-dumped-up-to-1-6-million-of-stock-after-reassuring-public-about-coronavirus-preparedness (https://www.propublica.org/article/senator-dumped-up-to-1-6-million-of-stock-after-reassuring-public-about-coronavirus-preparedness)
That's awful.
Same link, I have thought about postal workers:
Letter Carriers Say the Postal Service Pressured Them to Deliver Mail Despite Coronavirus Symptoms — and Often Without Hand Sanitizer
https://www.propublica.org/article/letter-carriers-say-the-postal-service-pressured-them-to-deliver-mail-despite-coronavirus-symptoms-and-often-without-hand-sanitizer (https://www.propublica.org/article/letter-carriers-say-the-postal-service-pressured-them-to-deliver-mail-despite-coronavirus-symptoms-and-often-without-hand-sanitizer)
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So if the pretext is "admirable" it's anything goes with you. Got it!
**nononono* **nononono* **nononono* **nononono* ****sheep**** ****sheep**** ****sheep****
I fail to see where she said that. Why is it binary with you - all or nothing. Did the governor line up infected people and shoot them? After all that's "anything goes"... The discussion ought to be where to draw the line and why.
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So if the pretext is "admirable" it's anything goes with you. Got it!
**nononono* **nononono* **nononono* **nononono* ****sheep**** ****sheep**** ****sheep****
I didn't say anything remotely like that.
Why don't you leave off the emotional garbage and let those of us who are calmer discuss the actual issues?
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I fail to see where she said that. Why is it binary with you - all or nothing. Did the governor line up infected people and shoot them? After all that's "anything goes"... The discussion ought to be where to draw the line and why.
The "discussion" with some is to belittle anyone who disagrees by making absurd accusations, because actually thinking about what is said requires effort.
He knows I didn't say anything like that.
When he calms down, maybe he'll retract the idiocy of what he just said.
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Just boarded a plane. Nine passengers total. And this is the busy flight.
The busiest airport in the world is almost deserted. I feel safer here than at the grocery store.
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@musiclady
I do have to ask, and please answer me straight,...... Has the way this been handled (which you seem to handily support) worth 10 TRILLION dollars to this economy, and possibly economic conditions not seen in this country since 1929-1937? What is that level of possible pain and suffering worth?
@catfish1957 Are you blaming the stock market crash on Trump, or is that $10 Trillion just the cost of not quite shutting down America for 2 weeks and the recent coronavirus relief law? People might have stopped going to bars, and the theater because of the dying anyways. I'm gonna support the President because he asked for my co-operation and said we are all in this together and I don't think asking for 15 days to sort this out is asking me too much. Consider a more realistic hypothetical cost in your argument.
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https://www.wsj.com/articles/italys-virus-death-toll-on-the-cusp-of-overtaking-chinas-11584626731 (https://www.wsj.com/articles/italys-virus-death-toll-on-the-cusp-of-overtaking-chinas-11584626731)
Italy’s Coronavirus Death Toll Overtakes China’s
The relentless rise in Italy reflects the particular danger of the illness for elderly people
Deaths in Italy now 3,405
Deaths in China now 3,130
Pray for Italy
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Sure it is false @Once-Ler ... I have never advocated 'doing nothing'.
Fair enough @roamer_1 , we agree on action and disagree on price. happy77
Stay healthy
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I fail to see where she said that. Why is it binary with you - all or nothing. Did the governor line up infected people and shoot them? After all that's "anything goes"... The discussion ought to be where to draw the line and why.
In that case @DB it appears that one of us needs more lessons in reading comprehension. Where is the line? Can YOU or @musiclady tell me?
What is your life really worth if ANYONE or ANYTHING has this much power over it?
And FWIW, I have never once told anyone anywhere that THEY should not take whatever measures they feel necessary to protect themselves and those they care for.
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@musiclady
Texas massage parlors have drive-thrus? Who knew? :silly:
Ok,all this coronavirus news is making me loony.. [slinking out of the thread]
@corbe would know I would think.
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Of course @Gefn . Most of us in fact.
Thank you @Once-Ler
You guys are the best. I love my Briefers family.
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(Pennsylvania) Gov. Wolf orders all non-life-sustaining businesses to close to slow spread of coronavirus
HARRISBURG, Pa. — Governor Tom Wolf has ordered all non-life-sustaining businesses in Pennsylvania to close their physical locations by 8 p.m., Thursday, to slow the spread of the coronavirus, COVID-19.
Enforcement against businesses that don't close physical locations will start on Saturday,March 21, at 12:01 a.m.
https://local21news.com/news/local/gov-wolf-orders-all-non-life-sustaining-businesses-to-close-to-slow-spread-of-covid-19 (https://local21news.com/news/local/gov-wolf-orders-all-non-life-sustaining-businesses-to-close-to-slow-spread-of-covid-19)
Full list:
https://www.scribd.com/document/452416026/20200319-Life-Sustaining-Business#fullscreen&from_embed (https://www.scribd.com/document/452416026/20200319-Life-Sustaining-Business#fullscreen&from_embed)
This was announced at 6PM so a 3 hours notice to those business that need to close.
**nononono*
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Just boarded a plane. Nine passengers total. And this is the busy flight.
The busiest airport in the world is almost deserted. I feel safer here than at the grocery store.
@Hoodat
I went to my bank drive-thru to make a deposit today. I thought the lines were long for mid afternoon, but I rarely go to my bank anymore so :shrug:. All the banks have closed their lobbies without an appointment. A sign at the drive-thru said I could only withdraw $2,000 daily. kinda spooky. I filled out the form with a pen they thoughtfully included in the drive-thru cabbie. It's the pen every car in front of me used since the last pen was stolen. Then I deposited my germ infested money and started touching my face before realizing I had no Purell in my truck.
I sprayed myself with windex when I got home.
I'm not safe to be left by myself in my truck.
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In that case @DB it appears that one of us needs more lessons in reading comprehension. Where is the line? Can YOU or @musiclady tell me?
What is your life really worth if ANYONE or ANYTHING has this much power over it?
Really?
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@Hoodat
I went to my bank drive-thru to make a deposit today. I thought the lines were long for mid afternoon, but I rarely go to my bank anymore so :shrug:. All the banks have closed their lobbies without an appointment. A sign at the drive-thru said I could only withdraw $2,000 daily. kinda spooky. I filled out the form with a pen they thoughtfully included in the drive-thru cabbie. It's the pen every car in front of me used since the last pen was stolen. Then I deposited my germ infested money and started touching my face before realizing I had no Purell in my truck.
I sprayed myself with windex when I got home.
I'm not safe to be left by myself in my truck.
Well at least you got degreased...
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(Pennsylvania) Gov. Wolf orders all non-life-sustaining businesses to close to slow spread of coronavirus
HARRISBURG, Pa. — Governor Tom Wolf has ordered all non-life-sustaining businesses in Pennsylvania to close their physical locations by 8 p.m., Thursday, to slow the spread of the coronavirus, COVID-19.
Enforcement against businesses that don't close physical locations will start on Saturday,March 21, at 12:01 a.m.
https://local21news.com/news/local/gov-wolf-orders-all-non-life-sustaining-businesses-to-close-to-slow-spread-of-covid-19 (https://local21news.com/news/local/gov-wolf-orders-all-non-life-sustaining-businesses-to-close-to-slow-spread-of-covid-19)
Full list:
https://www.scribd.com/document/452416026/20200319-Life-Sustaining-Business#fullscreen&from_embed (https://www.scribd.com/document/452416026/20200319-Life-Sustaining-Business#fullscreen&from_embed)
This was announced at 6PM so a 3 hours notice to those business that need to close.
**nononono*
Wolf isn't called Goobernor for nothing.
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Really?
Yes @DB Really!
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There's no guarantee that if we act differently in this crisis, trillions in dollars may be saved
There's no guarantee it will be worse either. Or better for that matter .
Ignoring the danger of doing nothing is potential as well. It could really spread.
Besides many other threads on the coronavirus, in editorials, there is that "hold your nose" thread.
We are asked to sacrifice staying home, I'm not going to continue to repeat the same thing over and over.
Cost to save some lives? This does not seen to take into account that many under 50 are still needing ICUs, doctors and so on so the save some lives at losing trillions is not really what it is about or realistic, it is sort of a broken record.
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Wolf isn't called Goobernor for nothing.
Did you look at the list?
One of the listed bussiness is employment services. There goes the job interview I had scheduled, unless we can do it via skype, waiting to hear.
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For those in 'locked down' regions many food serving establishments are still open for pick up and they badly need our support.
If you have a chance do a good deed and order something to go. It may mean someone gets to keep their job.
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Did you look at the list?
One of the listed bushiness is employment services. There goes the job interview I had scheduled, unless we can do it via skype, waiting to hear.
I did. This is getting ridiculous. Hope you can proceed with the interview somehow.
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200 US dead. Over 50 dead today.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/)
Who wants to tell me "so what?" and auto accidents?
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200 US dead. Over 50 dead today.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/)
Who wants to tell me so what?
According to your source 0% of active cases are critical.
Good news, no?
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For those in 'locked down' regions many food serving establishments are still open for pick up and they badly need our support.
If you have a chance do a good deed and order something to go. It may mean someone gets to keep their job.
In an email today, a friend forwarded a Facebook post from her friend along those lines -- but with emphasis on small, local Mom and Pop restaurants and other businesses. I'm going to be busy Saturday, so I will be getting delivery from the little Italian joint up the street (they make the best eggplant parmigiana).
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For those in 'locked down' regions many food serving establishments are still open for pick up and they badly need our support.
If you have a chance do a good deed and order something to go. It may mean someone gets to keep their job.
Supporting local restaurants is very important in the coming weeks. Some in our area are doing some creative advertising to make sure people know they’re open.
We plan to order out a couple of times this weekend even though we usually just eat at home.
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Did you look at the list?
One of the listed bussiness is employment services. There goes the job interview I had scheduled, unless we can do it via skype, waiting to hear.
Sounds like they’re doing everything wrong that Ohio is doing right.
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Is anyone else feeling overwhelmed by this? And depressed?
I am depressed by the overwhelming negativism exhibited by some.
Uncertainty is fearful. If you let fear control you, you will not remain healthy enough to fight a virus physically, mentally or spiritually.
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According to your source 0% of active cases are critical.
Good news, no?
"my source" lists 64 as serious or critical...the number has risen incremental every day. What hasn't risen much is the number discharged or testing negative after a positive.
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According to your source 0% of active cases are critical.
Good news, no?
It shows
13,428
Currently Infected Patients
13,364 (100%)
in Mild Condition
64 (0%)
Serious or Critical
So their %'s are wrong
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@musiclady @Applewood
I friggen LOVE Eggplant Parmagiana.
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"my source" lists 64 as serious or critical...the number has risen incremental every day. What hasn't risen much is the number discharged or testing negative after a positive.
So, not good news.
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@musiclady @Applewood
I friggen LOVE Eggplant Parmagiana.
Order some take out!
It's your patriotic duty! :patriot:
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It shows
13,428
Currently Infected Patients
13,364 (100%)
in Mild Condition
64 (0%)
Serious or Critical
So their %'s are wrong
You are right - the correct number of serious or critical is .0047%
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It shows
13,428
Currently Infected Patients
13,364 (100%)
in Mild Condition
64 (0%)
Serious or Critical
So their %'s are wrong
64 is 0% rounded for 0.47%
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@musiclady @Applewood
I friggen LOVE Eggplant Parmagiana.
The best Italian cuisine comes from local restaurants, not chains like Olive Garden. I'm not sure what Olive Garden serves, but it isn't Italian food -- at least not the way my Italian mother made it.
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I am depressed by the overwhelming negativism exhibited by some.
Uncertainty is fearful. If you let fear control you, you will not remain healthy enough to fight a virus physically, mentally or spiritually.
Leroy Jenkins wasn't scared.
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Is anyone else feeling overwhelmed by this? And depressed?
Sort of.
What depresses me about it is how it glaringly, blatantly proves just how many ignorant, stupid, greedy, lying MFers there are on this planet.
I don't know if this has been posted, but here goes. The NAME of this virus is...
SARS-CoV-2
They decided on Covid-19 so there wouldn't be a worldwide panic that a new SARS was on the loose and no one's feelings would get hurt.
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Sort of.
What depresses me about it is how it glaringly, blatantly proves just how many ignorant, stupid, greedy, lying MFers there are on this planet.
I don't know if this has been posted, but here goes. The NAME of this virus is...
SARS-CoV-2
They decided on Covid-19 so there wouldn't be a worldwide panic that a new SARS was on the loose and no one's feelings would get hurt.
I was wondering about that. Full PC...
Could call it Chinese take out...
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Order some take out!
It's your patriotic duty! :patriot:
I am THERE.
Ma'am!
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https://www.kvue.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/coronavirus-texas-public-health-disaster-abbott/269-fb3ef839-bf7a-4345-8e69-e63213825418?fbclid=IwAR3YTBEp3rR0Kx9o4H7SrPv2-EXwGd_DNyFSejSRU36bkfAfYtbOXEGuqSA (https://www.kvue.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/coronavirus-texas-public-health-disaster-abbott/269-fb3ef839-bf7a-4345-8e69-e63213825418?fbclid=IwAR3YTBEp3rR0Kx9o4H7SrPv2-EXwGd_DNyFSejSRU36bkfAfYtbOXEGuqSA)
Texas governor: Schools, bars, restaurant dining rooms must close temporarily due to coronavirus
Abbott also issued a public health disaster statewide for the first time in more than 100 years.
Abbott is taking a serious situation seriously.
Texas in its first public health disaster in more than 100 years.
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I am THERE.
Ma'am!
:beer:
Have some for me. We're taking out Mexican on Sunday.
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https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/)
201 now... I'd have to say, I don't know if it is a steep incline but the numbers are really jumping, no matter what, it's certainly more than 16 incidences a day, however mathematically one looks at it since Wednesday.
And that Stanford professor?
Chinese Mother Who Paid $6.5 Million to Get Daughter into Stanford Says She Thought Money Was a Donation
https://time.com/5582697/chinese-mother-trick-stanford-admission/ (https://time.com/5582697/chinese-mother-trick-stanford-admission/)
This proves nothing I admit. But if there are some universities more likely to get Chinese money pumped into them, in the form of dollars of course, Stanford may well be as likely as a lot of places.
Let's hope Biden doesn't get in there, he discounted the threat of China even. WHO as articles have shown, is probably heavily influenced by China.
Well, what do we have here?
https://www.wsj.com/articles/stanford-is-giving-this-chinese-investor-200-million-1439854567
Stanford Is Giving This Chinese Investor $200 Million
Zhang Lei’s Hillhouse Capital is investing money for at least six of the 10 wealthiest U.S. universities
This would lend itself more to Chinese-influence
https://www.wsj.com/articles/stanford-is-giving-this-chinese-investor-200-million-1439854567 (https://www.wsj.com/articles/stanford-is-giving-this-chinese-investor-200-million-1439854567)
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https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/)
201 now... I'd have to say, I don't know if it is a steep incline but the numbers are really jumping, no matter what, it's certainly more than 16 incidences a day, however mathematically one looks at it since Wednesday.
And that Stanford professor?
This proves nothing I admit. But if there are some universities more likely to get Chinese money pumped into them, in the form of dollars of course, Stanford may well be as likely as a lot of places.
Let's hope Biden doesn't get in there, he discounted the threat of China even. WHO as articles have shown, is probably heavily influenced by China.
Well, what do we have here?
This would lend itself more to Chinese-influence
https://www.wsj.com/articles/stanford-is-giving-this-chinese-investor-200-million-1439854567 (https://www.wsj.com/articles/stanford-is-giving-this-chinese-investor-200-million-1439854567)
Gotta admit you have a legitimate point there. Certainly food for thought.
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Where were all the hard luck stories last year when twenty thousand lives were lost to the seasonal flu?
The media never interrupted news casts then with breathless breaking stories. But, now they are pulling all the right heart strings: a new strain of upper respiratory virus breaks out of China; a young corona victim dies; Rome deserted, under lock down; no hand sanitizer for the postman; death rates doubling; community spread, etc, ad nauseam. Each new victim in each new state a breaking story.
But, these very same stories could have been told in 2018, as people contracted and died of the flu. But they weren’t told? Why?
In November there’s an election. I hate being emotionally manipulated by devious news editors and politicians and bureaucrats with personal agendas.
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I was wondering about that. Full PC...
Could call it Chinese take out...
yeah. Here is some CCP take out.
Coronavirus death rate in Wuhan is lower than previously thought
WTFE (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjhg_an0afoAhWCoJ4KHUWYAD0Q0PADMAJ6BAgJEA0&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.livescience.com%2Fcoronavirus-death-rate-lower-thought-wuhan.html&usg=AOvVaw2RGwQ8Iob9cpBWUNoPP_Kr)
A new study finds that the death rate in Wuhan, where the coronavirus outbreak started, is about 1.4%
(can I have another helping?)
The new estimate is based on data available as of Feb. 29. At that point, Wuhan had logged 48,557 COVID-19 cases and 2,169 deaths. The numbers have increased since then, but yesterday China reported no new local cases of the coronavirus, suggesting that China's epidemic is now under control.
(more PLEASE)
Meanwhile, cases of COVID-19 are increasing rapidly in most other parts of the globe, with Italy now reporting 41,035 cases and more deaths than China. Confirmed cases in the U.S. have been rising quickly as well, with more than 11,000 people diagnosed as of the evening of March 19.
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yeah. Here is some CCP take out.
Coronavirus death rate in Wuhan is lower than previously thought
WTFE (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjhg_an0afoAhWCoJ4KHUWYAD0Q0PADMAJ6BAgJEA0&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.livescience.com%2Fcoronavirus-death-rate-lower-thought-wuhan.html&usg=AOvVaw2RGwQ8Iob9cpBWUNoPP_Kr)
A new study finds that the death rate in Wuhan, where the coronavirus outbreak started, is about 1.4%
(can I have another helping?)
The new estimate is based on data available as of Feb. 29. At that point, Wuhan had logged 48,557 COVID-19 cases and 2,169 deaths. The numbers have increased since then, but yesterday China reported no new local cases of the coronavirus, suggesting that China's epidemic is now under control.
(more PLEASE)
Meanwhile, cases of COVID-19 are increasing rapidly in most other parts of the globe, with Italy now reporting 41,035 cases and more deaths than China. Confirmed cases in the U.S. have been rising quickly as well, with more than 11,000 people diagnosed as of the evening of March 19.
Whaatttt... You think the Chinese might be lying about their "new" statistics?
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yeah. Here is some CCP take out.
Coronavirus death rate in Wuhan is lower than previously thought
WTFE (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjhg_an0afoAhWCoJ4KHUWYAD0Q0PADMAJ6BAgJEA0&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.livescience.com%2Fcoronavirus-death-rate-lower-thought-wuhan.html&usg=AOvVaw2RGwQ8Iob9cpBWUNoPP_Kr)
A new study finds that the death rate in Wuhan, where the coronavirus outbreak started, is about 1.4%
(can I have another helping?)
The new estimate is based on data available as of Feb. 29. At that point, Wuhan had logged 48,557 COVID-19 cases and 2,169 deaths. The numbers have increased since then, but yesterday China reported no new local cases of the coronavirus, suggesting that China's epidemic is now under control.
(more PLEASE)
Meanwhile, cases of COVID-19 are increasing rapidly in most other parts of the globe, with Italy now reporting 41,035 cases and more deaths than China. Confirmed cases in the U.S. have been rising quickly as well, with more than 11,000 people diagnosed as of the evening of March 19.
Liner note - the US increase is due to a dramatic increase in testing throughput. That curve will flatten quickly.
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Whaatttt... You think the Chinese might be lying about their "new" statistics?
I don't have to think about it.
(https://i.imgur.com/btBJ1BT.jpg)
Photo credit: CNSA
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In November there’s an election. I hate being emotionally manipulated by devious news editors and politicians and bureaucrats with personal agendas.
Well then, don't.
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It puts it in perspective. Because statistics show that crossing the street is more dangerous than this virus at the moment in time.
Correction. It used to be more dangerous. Going forward from about two days ago, Covid-19 is killing more Americans per day and growing fast.
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Correction. It used to be more dangerous. Going forward from about two days ago, Covid-19 is killing more Americans per day and growing fast.
I still refuse to panic.
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I still refuse to panic.
You and me both.
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I got sick 15 days ago. Started with a runny nose then got worse then went away after five days. Felt good for four days and for the last six I feel like crap. Not as bad today. I don't have the energy to panic over getting sick.
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I still refuse to panic.
There’s a big difference between being informed and aware and panic.
It seems that some prefer being ignorant to an honest discussion of what’s going on so they try to pretend nothing is happening.
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Man, I'd be outraged as can be:
https://abc7.com/politics/newsom-56%25-of-californians-are-expected-to-be-infected-with-covid-19/6028718/
Now, this is scaremongering and people are saying on twitter, everyone should march down to the governor's office and demand he resign.
You want scaremongering, check it out.
"Jaren Whitfield
@Jay_Whit89
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Gov. Newsom: how can we create more mass hysteria? I'VE GOT IT, tell them that 56% of Californians will get the virus in the next 8 weeks."
https://twitter.com/Jay_Whit89/status/1240777900107784192
https://twitter.com/search?q=%2256%25%20of%20Californians%22&src=trend_click Twitter.
I'm not sure if this was reported yet and some of these comments are very recent.
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I am depressed by the overwhelming negativism exhibited by some.
Uncertainty is fearful. If you let fear control you, you will not remain healthy enough to fight a virus physically, mentally or spiritually.
@IsailedawayfromFR
Exactly. We need to give more credence to good news and positive outcomes instead of being bombarded over and over again with fear-mongering headlines. Our words shape our circumstances. We can either get in agreement with G-d, or we can get in agreement with the enemy.
Death and life are in the power of the tongue, And those who love it will eat its fruit.
Proverbs 18:21
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Is anyone else feeling overwhelmed by this? And depressed?
Yes, very much so.
I've had trouble sleeping the past few days. When I get stressed, I tend to get more social—but that's precisely what's being cracked down upon. I have a hard time eating (though since I'm a few pounds over what I want, this may help me get back closer to my target weight). I have been doing a lot of walking (maybe pacing); I walked so much that I got sore today.
Seeing the news, knowing that these "latest" numbers are almost two weeks behind the actual infections, is stressful. I'm still holding out some hope that we start seeing things taper off once the numbers from the "social distancing" era start trickling back in. I just want someone to hold me and tell me everything's OK.
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@Hoodat
I sprayed myself with windex when I got home.
I'm not safe to be left by myself in my truck.
@Once-Ler
My wife says that I am not safe to be left anywhere. But don't waste your Windex on this virus. It is far too valuable for that.
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"Jaren Whitfield
@Jay_Whit89
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Gov. Newsom: how can we create more mass hysteria? I'VE GOT IT, tell them that 56% of Californians will get the virus in the next 8 weeks."
https://twitter.com/Jay_Whit89/status/1240777900107784192
[Knock it off. No personal attacks.]
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Is anyone else feeling overwhelmed by this? And depressed?
Not really. I have put my faith in Our Creator, and know He will look out for us all, as He plans.
Not much I can do about His choices for me but to try and understand what He wants of me.
Instead of going to work today, I put together a care package for some folks, helped a youngster get his keys out of his locked car, and did a few other odds and ends I would not have had time to do If they hadn't stacked my drilling rig this morning. I'm out of work until the price of oil recovers. Which means I should likely look for work. But then, in the process of assembling the care package, I ran into an old boss from 34 years ago who asked me If I was working and may have a job for me.
Sometimes we are the tools He uses for others' benefit, and often that benefits us.
Everything has purpose, and our trials help us grow.
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I got sick 15 days ago. Started with a runny nose then got worse then went away after five days. Felt good for four days and for the last six I feel like crap. Not as bad today. I don't have the energy to panic over getting sick.
@bigheadfred
Keep pumping fluids through your body. And keep an abundance of Vitamin-C in your system. You got this.
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Are rapists, burglars, drug dealers and other criminals self-quarantining? Are opioid addicts going cold turkey, stuck at home all day?
My governor just ordered barber shops and hair salons closed. This may not end well for him when women can't get their roots touched up.
Just some random thoughts. I need to read a book or something ...
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2 Lakers, coronavirus positive.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2882060-report-2-lakers-players-test-positive-for-coronavirus-more-could-be-tested
Not good and then, if you have been around the people, you are suppose to at least, largely self-quarantine.
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@bigheadfred
Keep pumping fluids through your body. And keep an abundance of Vitamin-C in your system. You got this.
Yeah, it is just the flu. Aspirin helps. I eat five. Wait three or four hours. If that didn't help I eat five more. Rinse and repeat.
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Not really. I have put my faith in Our Creator, and know He will look out for us all, as He plans.
Not much I can do about His choices for me but to try and understand what He wants of me.
Instead of going to work today, I put together a care package for some folks, helped a youngster get his keys out of his locked car, and did a few other odds and ends I would not have had time to do If they hadn't stacked my drilling rig this morning. I'm out of work until the price of oil recovers. Which means I should likely look for work. But then, in the process of assembling the care package, I ran into an old boss from 34 years ago who asked me If I was working and may have a job for me.
Sometimes we are the tools He uses for others' benefit, and often that benefits us.
Everything has purpose, and our trials help us grow.
Oil prices have me concerned as well. I could get a refinery job tomorrow, but it would mean I would have to relocate. Really enjoying the 2-on-2-off setup I have now, but oil producers aren't going to keep producing at a loss for too long.
But as you pointed out, the key is to do what G-d want us to do each day. Because He will always take care of us, even when we don't see it.
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2 Lakers, coronavirus positive.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2882060-report-2-lakers-players-test-positive-for-coronavirus-more-could-be-tested
Not good and then, if you have been around the people, you are suppose to at least, largely self-quarantine.
Ten Lakers test negative for coronavirus.
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Ten Lakers test negative for coronavirus.
You’re a good man and I respect you a lot, but if this post makes sense to you, you must be smoking something.
A few of you are trying way too hard to make something significant into nothing.
And it doesn’t look good on you...
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Are rapists, burglars, drug dealers and other criminals self-quarantining? Are opioid addicts going cold turkey, stuck at home all day?
My governor just ordered barber shops and hair salons closed. This may not end well for him when women can't get their roots touched up.
Just some random thoughts. I need to read a book or something ...
X Events by John Casti
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I got sick 15 days ago. Started with a runny nose then got worse then went away after five days. Felt good for four days and for the last six I feel like crap. Not as bad today. I don't have the energy to panic over getting sick.
I hear ya, I've been feeling like crap for the last 3 weeks but don't want to make a trip to the docs because the doc's office is nothing more than germ heaven. My sister in-law came to be with Dad until he passed -- she had an ear infection, coughing like crazy and said it was only allergies (she stayed at our house), she took a plane here and we picked her up inside the airport.This was around the time that corona became a concern. Then my brother in-law and his family drove from VA to be here for the funeral, we attended a church service and had a reception afterwards at our house with several other people. Brother in law kept coughing and obviously was losing his voice; but he also said it was allergies. (Ya right).
Here I now sit, runny nose, cough off and on, had a slight fever for a couple of hours, congested throat, low energy for the past two weeks. I felt better somewhat today, but still congested throat, stuffy nose, some gastro issues, cough on and off .... so far no more fever.
I've been taking a multi vitamin, drinking ginger/peppermint tea (anti viral) at night, trying to eat healthy but can't help but worry because of my age and health issues and being in an airport and having people from out of town in our house.
Then I worry about my kids and my grand kids .... so not sleeping a whole lot.... **nononono*
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My daughter in-law who is a nurse, is in a hospital that’s asking them to reuse masks because they don’t have enough.
They have 2 cases of a highly contagious disease in their hospital and the medical personnel can’t protect themselves.
This is a dire medical emergency.
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Ya, well, I've been feeling like crap for the last 3 weeks. My sister in-law came to be with Dad until he passed -- she had an ear infection, coughing like crazy and said it was only allergies (she stayed at our house), she took a plane here and we picked her up inside the airport. This was around the time that corona became a concern. Then my brother in-law and his family drove from VA to be here for the funeral, we attended a church service and had a reception afterwards at our house with several other people. Brother in law kept coughing and obviously was losing his voice; but he also said it was allergies. (Ya right).
Here I now sit, runny nose, cough off and on, had a slight fever for a couple of hours, congested throat, low energy for the past two weeks. I felt better somewhat today, but still congested throat, stuffy nose, some gastro issues, cough on and off .... so far no more fever.
I've been taking a multi vitamin, drinking ginger/peppermint tea (anti viral) at night, trying to eat healthy but can't help but worry because of my age and health issues and being in an airport and having people from out of town in our house.
Then I worry about my kids and my grand kids .... so not sleeping a whole lot.
Well a wee bit of good news. The Chinese coronavirus symptoms don't normally include a runny nose.
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My daughter in-law who is a nurse, is in a hospital that’s asking them to reuse masks because they don’t have enough.
They have 2 cases of a highly contagious disease in their hospital and the medical personnel can’t protect themselves.
This is a dire medical emergency.
Something more than we've been told is going on here.
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My daughter in-law who is a nurse, is in a hospital that’s asking them to reuse masks because they don’t have enough.
They have 2 cases of a highly contagious disease in their hospital and the medical personnel can’t protect themselves.
This is a dire medical emergency.
I wonder if there's a practical way to sterilize the masks after use? For example bathing them in ozone.
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Ya, well, I've been feeling like crap for the last 3 weeks. My sister in-law came to be with Dad until he passed -- she had an ear infection, coughing like crazy and said it was only allergies (she stayed at our house), she took a plane here and we picked her up inside the airport. This was around the time that corona became a concern. Then my brother in-law and his family drove from VA to be here for the funeral, we attended a church service and had a reception afterwards at our house with several other people. Brother in law kept coughing and obviously was losing his voice; but he also said it was allergies. (Ya right).
Here I now sit, runny nose, cough off and on, had a slight fever for a couple of hours, congested throat, low energy for the past two weeks. I felt better somewhat today, but still congested throat, stuffy nose, some gastro issues, cough on and off .... so far no more fever.
I've been taking a multi vitamin, drinking ginger/peppermint tea (anti viral) at night, trying to eat healthy but can't help but worry because of my age and health issues and being in an airport and having people from out of town in our house.
Then I worry about my kids and my grand kids .... so not sleeping a whole lot.
I’m so sorry that you’re sick!
If it’s any encouragement to you, there is no nasal congestion involved with COVID 19.
You probably have a cold and will be fine!
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I wonder if there's a practical way to sterilize the masks after use? For example bathing them in ozone.
She said they’re asking them to put the masks in a plastic bag and use them again. *****rollingeyes***** *****rollingeyes***** *****rollingeyes*****
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My daughter in-law who is a nurse, is in a hospital that’s asking them to reuse masks because they don’t have enough.
They have 2 cases of a highly contagious disease in their hospital and the medical personnel can’t protect themselves.
This is a dire medical emergency.
...hmmm....2 highly contagious diseases? So do you know what the other contagion is??
As for the masks, in listening to Trump earlier today, the production is supposed to be dramatically expedited. So hopefully they'll get them soon.
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She said they’re asking them to put the masks in a plastic bag and use them again. *****rollingeyes***** *****rollingeyes***** *****rollingeyes*****
Plastic bag? If anything I'd take one and lay it out in the sun and fresh air for awhile. Plastic bag makes no sense.
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Latest panic buying trend I'm hearing about from some of my friends is a run on crayons outside of Parris Island SC, Quantico VA, Twenty Nine Palms CA and Camp Hansen, Okinawa.
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...hmmm....2 highly contagious diseases? So do you know what the other contagion is??
As for the masks, in listening to Trump earlier today, the production is supposed to be dramatically expedited. So hopefully they'll get them soon.
2 cases of corona virus in her hospital. (Sorry that wasn’t clear)
I hope the administrators there are smart enough to even ask for them!
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She said they’re asking them to put the masks in a plastic bag and use them again. *****rollingeyes***** *****rollingeyes***** *****rollingeyes*****
Ya, that doesn't cut it. Any contamination on the outside of the mask gets spread around by it being handled and coming into contact with the bag and whatever else. Sounds bad.
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I’m so sorry that you’re sick!
If it’s any encouragement to you, there is no nasal congestion involved with COVID 19.
You probably have a cold and will be fine!
Thanks, worrying certainly doesn't help.
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Plastic bag? If anything I'd take one and lay it out in the sun and fresh air for awhile. Plastic bag makes no sense.
None at all!
The wipes and everything are also locked up. **nononono*
The thing is, you KNOW this is happening in other hospitals as well.
She’s not in Ohio where the situation is much more under control and the hospital quality is top notch.
But obviously it’s not the same everywhere.
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You’re a good man and I respect you a lot, but if this post makes sense to you, you must be smoking something.
A few of you are trying way too hard to make something significant into nothing.
And it doesn’t look good on you...
It's the other post that doesn't make sense to me. That post and the hundreds of others just like it that sensationalize this whole situation. We hear that celebrities like Kevin Durant or Tom Hanks are infected. or in this case two unnamed Lakers, as if just the fact that they play for the Lakers is supposed to make this such important news.
But here's what we don't hear. We don't hear about how Tom Hanks or Kevin Durant are living life on life's terms as they move towards recovery. Is Tom Hanks lying in some private-room hospital bed clutching at death while on a ventilator? Or is he kicking back playing X-Box and ordering Thai takeout food? It would be nice to hear some positive stories for a change instead of this incessant onslaught of negativity.
So yes, anyone testing negative for this virus is good news. And I would much rather hear that, even if it was some celebrities that got access to scarce test resources because of their celebrity status. For me, it is a choice. You may find my comment insensitive. But I will not kowtow to fear. We are going to beat this despite the bombardment of bad news that is being posted on this board by a select few. As Andy Dufresne once said, "Either get busy living, or get busy dying". I choose life.
So to hell with all this "oh no, two Lakers test positive", or "oh no, 42,000 people in Italy died in the last 10 minutes", or "oh no, someone who's sick with the virus took Advil". Just asking for something positive, which a sizeable number of posters here have been doing. So cut us a break.
Death rate in this country remains low. Over 80% of those infected have no symptoms or symptoms that are very minor. Drugs that have been around a long time are proving effective at fighting this. And infection transmissions are ceasing in the point of origin. Let's meditate on these things. Stop destroying Hope.
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2 cases of corona virus in her hospital. (Sorry that wasn’t clear)
I hope the administrators there are smart enough to even ask for them!
I certainly hope so too, and I'd hope that they'd be wearing full protective gear?? We can't afford for our medical personnel to get sick.
Unfortunately we have one individual in a county to the south of us, who didn't obey the protocol for those who suspect that they have the virus and now 35 medical personnel have been exposed! What is wrong with people??
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It's the other post that doesn't make sense to me. That post and the hundreds of others just like it that sensationalize this whole situation. We hear that celebrities like Kevin Durant or Tom Hanks are infected. or in this case two unnamed Lakers, as if just the fact that they play for the Lakers is supposed to make this such important news.
But here's what we don't hear. We don't hear about how Tom Hanks or Kevin Durant are living life on life's terms as they move towards recovery. Is Tom Hanks lying in some private-room hospital bed clutching at death while on a ventilator? Or is he kicking back playing X-Box and ordering Thai takeout food? It would be nice to hear some positive stories for a change instead of this incessant onslaught of negativity.
So yes, anyone testing negative for this virus is good news. And I would much rather hear that, even if it was some celebrities that got access to scarce test resources because of their celebrity status. For me, it is a choice. You may find my comment insensitive. But I will not kowtow to fear. We are going to beat this despite the bombardment of bad news that is being posted on this board by a select few. As Andy Dufresne once said, "Either get busy living, or get busy dying". I choose life.
So to hell with all this "oh no, two Lakers test positive", or "oh no, 42,000 people in Italy died in the last 10 minutes", or "oh no, someone who's sick with the virus took Advil". Just asking for something positive, which a sizeable number of posters here have been doing. So cut us a break.
Death rate in this country remains low. Over 80% of those infected have no symptoms or symptoms that are very minor. Drugs that have been around a long time are proving effective at fighting this. And infection transmissions are ceasing in the point of origin. Let's meditate on these things. Stop destroying Hope.
I'm not sure why it's so important to you to ignore this news, but it clearly is.
Let me just say this......... information doesn't destroy hope any more than denying and fighting it restores hope.
The situation exists. It is not good. It has not happened before. It is ever changing and evolving, and it's good to find out what's really happening, and not feel the need to counter every bit of bad news you don't like with some sarcastic rebuttal (some of which make NO sense).
If you don't want to hear that two Lakers tested positive, then don't come back to this thread, or put TomSea on Ignore, or do what it takes to get yourself out of this funk you're in.
The rest of us DO want information and can filter out the things that are trivial.
If you can't, just walk away.
But before you do, know that GOD is in CONTROL whether you know what's going on or choose to ignore it.
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None at all!
The wipes and everything are also locked up. **nononono*
The thing is, you KNOW this is happening in other hospitals as well.
She’s not in Ohio where the situation is much more under control and the hospital quality is top notch.
But obviously it’s not the same everywhere.
Definitely not a good situation -- and doesn't make any sense at all as to why the wipes would be locked up? She needs to report what's going on to someone outside of her hospital -- maybe the state public health agency or department of health? Anonymously, of course.
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Definitely not a good situation -- and doesn't make any sense at all as to why the wipes would be locked up? She needs to report what's going on to someone outside of her hospital -- maybe the state public health agency or department of health? Anonymously, of course.
My husband, who was a hospital administrator for more than 40 years is now texting her with advice.
These idiots are putting our family at great risk, and something needs to be done.
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Sports figures are ones we all know, I don't see why we need to censor the news, no one is forced to participate here.
The more we come to terms with whatever this, exploring all facets, the quicker we will be out of this.
This is real bad here but we are suppose to shut down information that might be pertinent to our own lives and the lives of our loved ones and friends? This is getting tiring.
This guy has written that he's an epidemiologist, oh, it's twitter, I suppose we can always find something.
Eric Feigl-Ding@DrEricDing
Warning sign
Early warning signs: NYC Health dept’s surveillance of “influenza like illness†symptoms. The current peak is now almost DOUBLE past flu seasons. #COVID19 is hitting NYC hard now for sure.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ETekozXXsAAaxcq?format=jpg&name=small)
https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1240641247724941314 (https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1240641247724941314)
RT by Jennifer Zeng, for me at least, I'll do a lot better knowing what's out there rather than not knowing what is. Unbelievable.
You know, this website:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/)
I believe was called leftist by someone. A website, that's probably useful at a minimum.
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Thank you for continuing to give us information, @TomSea .
Information IS power.
And you are right. NO one is being forced to participate on this thread.
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It's the other post that doesn't make sense to me. That post and the hundreds of others just like it that sensationalize this whole situation. We hear that celebrities like Kevin Durant or Tom Hanks are infected. or in this case two unnamed Lakers, as if just the fact that they play for the Lakers is supposed to make this such important news.
But here's what we don't hear. We don't hear about how Tom Hanks or Kevin Durant are living life on life's terms as they move towards recovery. Is Tom Hanks lying in some private-room hospital bed clutching at death while on a ventilator? Or is he kicking back playing X-Box and ordering Thai takeout food? It would be nice to hear some positive stories for a change instead of this incessant onslaught of negativity.
So yes, anyone testing negative for this virus is good news. And I would much rather hear that, even if it was some celebrities that got access to scarce test resources because of their celebrity status. For me, it is a choice. You may find my comment insensitive. But I will not kowtow to fear. We are going to beat this despite the bombardment of bad news that is being posted on this board by a select few. As Andy Dufresne once said, "Either get busy living, or get busy dying". I choose life.
So to hell with all this "oh no, two Lakers test positive", or "oh no, 42,000 people in Italy died in the last 10 minutes", or "oh no, someone who's sick with the virus took Advil". Just asking for something positive, which a sizeable number of posters here have been doing. So cut us a break.
Death rate in this country remains low. Over 80% of those infected have no symptoms or symptoms that are very minor. Drugs that have been around a long time are proving effective at fighting this. And infection transmissions are ceasing in the point of origin. Let's meditate on these things. Stop destroying Hope.
Well, all I can say is, tune out what you don't want to hear and read, but keep in mind that education and information are empowering and to ignore this situation isn't going to make it go away. Perhaps you live in a very remote area and so the possibility of you or your loved ones becoming infected is very low. Perhaps you're under the age of 60 and/or don't have any underlying medical conditions. Some of us aren't that fortunate and we need to stay informed so we can protect ourselves as best we can.
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I'm not sure why it's so important to you to ignore this news, but it clearly is.
Let me just say this......... information doesn't destroy hope any more than denying and fighting it restores hope.
The situation exists. It is not good. It has not happened before. It is ever changing and evolving, and it's good to find out what's really happening, and not feel the need to counter every bit of bad news you don't like with some sarcastic rebuttal (some of which make NO sense).
If you don't want to hear that two Lakers tested positive, then don't come back to this thread, or put TomSea on Ignore, or do what it takes to get yourself out of this funk you're in.
The rest of us DO want information and can filter out the things that are trivial.
If you can't, just walk away.
But before you do, know that GOD is in CONTROL whether you know what's going on or choose to ignore it.
Would God want the shelves cleared at stores in panic because all the news is negative? Would He want people fighting over toilet paper? Really.
Many of us have been trying to provide some perspective, enumerate the factors which cause risk of a severe infection, and a bad outcome (mortality).
You have casually brushed that aside to pursue panic.
North Dakota: now 19 cases, one hospitalized, zero deaths, 654 of the 673 tested tested negative (97%).
Limited to four counties (of 53) in the State.
Those most at risk have one or more of the following preexisting Medical Conditions (per results in Italy)
High Blood Pressure
Heart Disease
Diabetes.
While Age may be a factor, those conditions tend to develop later in life.
Two drugs are being tested abroad with positive results, Chloroquine (an antimalarial) and Remdesivir (antiviral).
There is a light at the end of this tunnel.
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Well, all I can say is, tune out what you don't want to hear and read, but keep in mind that education and information are empowering and to ignore this situation isn't going to make it go away. Perhaps you live in a very remote area and so the possibility of you or your loved ones becoming infected is very low. Perhaps you're under the age of 60 and/or don't have any underlying medical conditions. Some of us aren't that fortunate and we need to stay informed so we can protect ourselves as best we can.
I just don't understand why anyone, regardless of personal risk, age or anything else, wants to remain uninformed.
This has baffled me with all the accusations of panic just because we're getting news stories.
I keep thinking, "Methinks thou dost protest too much." :shrug:
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Would God want the shelves cleared at stores in panic because all the news is negative? Would He want people fighting over toilet paper? Really.
Many of us have been trying to provide some perspective, enumerate the factors which cause risk of a severe infection, and a bad outcome (mortality).
You have casually brushed that aside to pursue panic.
North Dakota: now 19 cases, one hospitalized, zero deaths, 654 of the 673 tested tested negative (97%).
Limited to four counties (of 53) in the State.
Those most at risk have one or more of the following preexisting Medical Conditions (per results in Italy)
High Blood Pressure
Heart Disease
Diabetes.
While Age may be a factor, those conditions tend to develop later in life.
Two drugs are being tested abroad with positive results, Chloroquine (an antimalarial) and Remdesivir (antiviral).
There is a light at the end of this tunnel.
@Smokin Joe I swear to God it's almost like some people are hoping that light is a train.
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@Smokin Joe I swear to God it's almost like some people are hoping that light is a train.
Who around here is screaming we're all going to die?
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@Smokin Joe I swear to God it's almost like some people are hoping that light is a train.
Who?
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Who around here is screaming we're all going to die?
Not here per se...just in general fueled by the fear mongering by the media. Nothing wrong with being informed. We just need to be smart and not fall for the panic inducing headlines.
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Well, all I can say is, tune out what you don't want to hear and read, but keep in mind that education and information are empowering and to ignore this situation isn't going to make it go away. Perhaps you live in a very remote area and so the possibility of you or your loved ones becoming infected is very low. Perhaps you're under the age of 60 and/or don't have any underlying medical conditions. Some of us aren't that fortunate and we need to stay informed so we can protect ourselves as best we can.
I live in suburban Atlanta with a population density of 2325 persons per square mile. The first death in my State was 10 miles from my house. I am pushing 60. My own State Senator tested positive today. I have no hand sanitizer at all. And I have a wife and a 15-year-old son who depend on me to earn a living for many years to come.
So hearing about how two unnamed members of the Los Angeles Lakers tested positive provides me with zero information on how I can protect myself. All it does is sensationalize the fear that has gripped this nation. And that I do not need.
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Not here per se...just in general fueled by the fear mongering by the media. Nothing wrong with being informed. We just need to be smart and not fall for the panic inducing headlines.
Okay. I agree. I mostly ignore the media short of what's posted here.
California is going nuts. But it's California...
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Not here per se...just in general fueled by the fear mongering by the media. Nothing wrong with being informed. We just need to be smart and not fall for the panic inducing headlines.
On this we are ALL in agreement!
Information is not panic. Information is power.
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Would God want the shelves cleared at stores in panic because all the news is negative? Would He want people fighting over toilet paper? Really.
Many of us have been trying to provide some perspective, enumerate the factors which cause risk of a severe infection, and a bad outcome (mortality).
You have casually brushed that aside to pursue panic.
North Dakota: now 19 cases, one hospitalized, zero deaths, 654 of the 673 tested tested negative (97%).
Limited to four counties (of 53) in the State.
Those most at risk have one or more of the following preexisting Medical Conditions (per results in Italy)
High Blood Pressure
Heart Disease
Diabetes.
While Age may be a factor, those conditions tend to develop later in life.
Two drugs are being tested abroad with positive results, Chloroquine (an antimalarial) and Remdesivir (antiviral).
There is a light at the end of this tunnel.
Thank you.
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Is this site getting bogged down or is my Internet connection going wonky?
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Is this site getting bogged down or is my Internet connection going wonky?
Yes.
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Okay. I agree. I mostly ignore the media short of what's posted here.
California is going nuts. But it's California...
The CA leftist leadership seem very eager to use their drastic new powers. I hope this doesnt turn out to be the cat slipping the bag.
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The CA leftist leadership seem very eager to use their drastic new powers. I hope this doesnt turn out to be the cat slipping the bag.
They're talking many months of shut down. Are they insane?
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Here is something about the way these cases are being reported that I don't understand. Let's look at Washington State. The first case reported was on Jan 21, which was 58 days ago. Since that date, there have been another 1375 cases. Yet only one recovery has been reported, on Feb 20, four weeks ago.
Why have there been no other recoveries reported? Of the remaining 1375 cases, are these patients either dead or still showing symptoms weeks later?
Italy is reporting over 4,400 recoveries. Spain over 1,100. Even France, with less cases than the US shows over 600 recoveries. Yet the US shows only 8. Why is that?
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Here is something about the way these cases are being reported that I don't understand. Let's look at Washington State. The first case reported was on Jan 21, which was 58 days ago. Since that date, there have been another 1375 cases. Yet only one recovery has been reported, on Feb 20, four weeks ago.
Why have there been no other recoveries reported? Of the remaining 1375 cases, are these patients either dead or still showing symptoms weeks later?
Italy is reporting over 4,400 recoveries. Spain over 1,100. Even France, with less cases than the US shows over 600 recoveries. Yet the US shows only 8. Why is that?
Good question and I don't know. It seems like that was a common issue of other numbers reported earlier on from other countries. Perhaps a number of weeks have to go by with clean test results to officially count as recovered. Or perhaps "recovered" is a low priority for the stat keepers and will be caught up later.
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I live in suburban Atlanta with a population density of 2325 persons per square mile. The first death in my State was 10 miles from my house. I am pushing 60. My own State Senator tested positive today. I have no hand sanitizer at all. And I have a wife and a 15-year-old son who depend on me to earn a living for many years to come.
So hearing about how two unnamed members of the Los Angeles Lakers tested positive provides me with zero information on how I can protect myself. All it does is sensationalize the fear that has gripped this nation. And that I do not need.
I'm sure you've heard the obvious; washing your hands, avoiding people who are sick, staying at home if you're sick, distancing from other people. Use precautions just like you would with flu season -- that is all we know to do for right now.
Isopropryl alcohol is the ingredient that attacks the coronavirus - my husband carries a spray bottle of alcohol -- rough on the hands -- but it's something.
This may help:
https://www.nbcnews.com/better/lifestyle/many-common-household-cleaning-products-can-kill-coronavirus-if-you-ncna1160271 (https://www.nbcnews.com/better/lifestyle/many-common-household-cleaning-products-can-kill-coronavirus-if-you-ncna1160271)
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@Smokin Joe I swear to God it's almost like some people are hoping that light is a train.
There are plenty of them, even here.
Even if it isn't a train, they are still trying to get everyone to run from it.
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They're talking many months of shut down. Are they insane?
Disneyland will rust. Jus' saying. Shut down a drilling rig (pretty basic mechanicals, electricals, plumbing, some computer controls) and it can run into six figures to get it going again after 6 months. Shut down Disneyland, and it will likely cost millions. And that's just one thing...in the meantime, all those 'come play in California' ads are all over my cable channels... :shrug: **nononono*
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There's actually some optimum speed for this to spread and near zero isn't it. It just extends the time it takes to run its course.
It is going to spread no matter what is done at this point. It is out in the wild being carried by people who don't even know they have it yet.
The optimum speed of spread is just below what the medical community can reasonably handle without triage. Hopefully that capability will increase as this goes on.
If people get seriously sick faster than they can be treated creating triage situations then it needs to be slowed down in that area. If the medical system is being underutilized the pandemic is being stretched out longer than it needs to be with no additional benefit. Just additional economic losses.
Comments?
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There's actually some optimum speed for this to spread and near zero isn't it. It just extends the time it takes to run its course.
It is going to spread no matter what is done at this point. It is out in the wild being carried by people who don't even know they have it yet.
The optimum speed of spread is just below what the medical community can reasonably handle without triage. Hopefully that capability will increase as this goes on.
If people get seriously sick faster than they can be treated creating triage situations then it needs to be slowed down in that area. If the medical system is being underutilized the pandemic is being stretched out longer than it needs to be with no additional benefit. Just additional economic losses.
Comments?
Pretty much what I have been saying al along... immunize the herd. Or medicate the herd and continue to medicate the herd, until the bug becomes resistant, wherein the herd will infect anyhoo.
This quarantine ain't stopping a damn thing.
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Every one of those low/no symptom candidates are vectors.
All the street level ppl are vectors.
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Just read today that it's a good idea to keep some Clorox wipes in your car for when you fill up the tank.
Gas pump handles...typing in your zip code. You should use them immediately after hanging up the pump.
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Just read today that it's a good idea to keep some Clorox wipes in your car for when you fill up the tank.
Gas pump handles...typing in your zip code. You should use them immediately after hanging up the pump.
Probably worth double-checking what you read here, since I read days ago that the problem in Italy was, that Italians were "Dramatic."
What I would give for a hand full of postings each day with the major facts, fact-checked.
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Good question and I don't know. It seems like that was a common issue of other numbers reported earlier on from other countries. Perhaps a number of weeks have to go by with clean test results to officially count as recovered. Or perhaps "recovered" is a low priority for the stat keepers and will be caught up later.
If recovery is a low priority for the statistics keepers, it effectively creates the appearance of greater illness and/or mortality than actually exists. the denominator in the mortality rate is skewed to the low side, making the disease look far more serious overall than it is. It is that sort of behaviour that drives panic, empty store shelves, unnecessary shutdowns, and economic ruin.
Now, it is an election year and there just might be people who think they can parlay disaster into gain for those of their political party--especially undoing four years of economic growth and relative prosperity--even to the point of trying to start the next depression. They only care about power, not people or their policies would have been significantly different for the past 60 years.
As I have repeatedly stated, there are definite and identifiable risk factors which significantly increase the risk of a fatal outcome.
High Blood Pressure,
Coronary Disease,
Diabetes,
to some extent, age, but the above tend to develop with increased years.
There may be other underlying medical conditions which contribute to mortality, but the vast majority of hose who have died had one or more of the above, at least in Italy and the US. We simply don't know enough about elsewhere.
If you have those conditions, or even one of them, it would be prudent to avoid exposure to the virus, whatever that takes.
But 60.8% of the US population works for a living. While I am sure there is some overlap between those with medical conditions named above and that 60.8%, a major shutdown of the economy is going to hurt everyone, and not just this week, month, or year, but quite possibly far beyond that.
Weigh the risks, weigh the cost.
Personally, the only risk factor I have is age, and that by itself may not be relevant.
I'll be working as much as I can to pay bills and feed my family, not waiting on a government dole that may well never trickle down to me.
But for some, the shutdown will destroy their businesses, and rob them of all they have.
According to the SBA, small businesses make up 49.2% of private sector employment. I'm feeling that because with the crash in oil prices, I am suddenly looking for new employment, at least until the oil markets stabilize. My economic outlook has gone from rosy to grim in a week. :shrug: Welcome to the oil patch, all over again, again. Been there done that and never could afford the t-shirt in the end.
Those who lose their jobs due to this shutdown will be without insurance soon, because COBRA rates are venomous compared to having an employer pick up most or all of the tab, and with no paycheck, generally unaffordable in the face of economic uncertainty. A tremendous number of people are living paycheck to paycheck, and another significant group is only a few weeks at most from being broke.
If it comes to that, the "have nots", especially those who worked all their lives and lost it all will be especially envious of the "haves", and whether you use the French Revolution or the Bolshevik Revolution as your model, there will be a large, angry, hungry group who will fit with the paradigm, just waiting for that spark.
Part of the wave that swept this President into office was fueled by anger--anger with Obama and Democrat policy, anger at the apparent impotence of the GOP held Congress, anger at feeling ripped off at every turn.
Carry this panic to the point where 401Ks are gone to ruin (again), where people are out of work, out of money, and out of hope, and it is a clear and present danger to this Republic.
That anger could turn against our current POTUS, fueled by media lies and panic, and in that fit of thoughtless rage elect the likes of Sanders or Biden, or even Hillary herself if they just promise change.
For that reason it behooves the POTUS to be on top of this, clear the way for tests, drug trials, and treatments which demonstrate efficacy, quell the panic, and get things back on track before the damage is too great to see palpable recovery at least in action by November.
In the meantime, the media will point fingers and treat each death as if it were a multitude, while ignoring the everyday mortality from other causes in this country, often in excess of the death toll from this novel disease, and hopefully remaining so. The absence of 'recovered' people in the statistics only feeds the notion that this is the Black Death v.2020, which it is not.
While for some and in some places things look grim, like the virus, this panic will have to run its course. Feeding it is not wise.
Emotional arguments are especially hard to avoid when there are those near and dear to us who may be at risk (my parents, for instance, whom I dearly love, and a host of other relatives two thousand miles away), and for some of us, our selves.
It behooves us all to identify the risks, assess those risks, try our damnedest to get realistic data, and not give in to the stampede going on. Those of us who have prepped, even a little, are at an advantage over people who have not, and even that has its limits, but we can selectively help those who have not.
Keep a clear head. Remain calm, we can always panic later.
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Lots of us are genetically challenged. You make it sound like those people are throwaway people because they have some defect. They didn't cross the street. They didn't gather in gang land. They minded their own business and had a seriously bad outcome because at least one of them came into contact with someone infected with the Chinese coronavirus. None of us know how well or badly our bodies will respond to this virus. There's legitimate concern about going bankrupt from being in intensive care or losing a family member that isn't in awesome health. The cities are much different than the rural areas as far as risk goes.
Sorry, but i missed this earlier. No people are throwaway people. I simply don't look at people that way, and if you knew me you wouldn't even posit such.
These people had the misfortune to tangle with a virus. They (some of them) further had the misfortune, through genetics or lifestyle or both, to have those medical conditions which have been identified as enhancing risk.
Far from making them or their lives worthless, it is simply tragic.
It is however, humanity's greatest overall strength that we have the genetic and physical diversity to survive such outbreaks as a species, even though individuals will succumb. What in some circumstances may kill you might save you in others and we really have no control over the slings and arrows which nature throws our way.
We all have a legitimate concern about going bankrupt in intensive care, all the more poignant because many will lose their jobs and any insurance they had along with them, making them far more vulnerable to economic extinction than they may be to the virus.
As I have said, there are identified risk factors. Those who have those conditions should avoid exposure the best they can. Those in that situation generally know who they are, their family members should know also, and to a great extent exposure should be avoidable. To the big three, (Coronary disease, Hypertension, and Diabetes) I would likely add anything that makes a person imunocompromised, from Chemo to HIV to anti-rejection drugs for a transplant.
I think it is wrong that the remainder who are at much less risk of mortality or even needing advanced medical care are virtually guaranteed going bankrupt over the panic, whether or not they need medical care.
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Something to calm us -- Sir Anthony Hopkins playing the piano with his cat, Niblo:
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Something to calm us -- Sir Anthony Hopkins playing the piano with his cat, Niblo:
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Kitteh! â¤ï¸â¤ï¸â¤ï¸
And he looks like my baby girl, now at the Rainbow Bridge
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@Smokin Joe
What also scares me is on the last day before I self quarantined I went to the grocery store and bought some food for my mom and myself to tie us over for a few weeks. I bought smart. A few TV dinners, some frozen veggies, some canned veggies. Milk for both of us. I bought sugar and powered cream for my coffee. Some seafood because no one was buying that.
Anyway, everyone was paying with either regular credit cards or ATM cards.
I worry people will be racking up and maxing out their credit cards. Not a good thing.
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Just read today that it's a good idea to keep some Clorox wipes in your car for when you fill up the tank.
Gas pump handles...typing in your zip code. You should use them immediately after hanging up the pump.
Hurray, it’s one of the few times I’m happy to say I live in NJ!
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@Smokin Joe
What also scares me is on the last day before I self quarantined I went to the grocery store and bought some food for my mom and myself to tie us over for a few weeks. I bought smart. A few TV dinners, some frozen veggies, some canned veggies. Milk for both of us. I bought sugar and powered cream for my coffee. Some seafood because no one was buying that.
Anyway, everyone was paying with either regular credit cards or ATM cards.
I worry people will be racking up and maxing out their credit cards. Not a good thing.
I have little doubt some of that was going on.
People spend money they don't yet have, and then get in a bind because they don't get the money.
I bought things we would ordinarily use, with a little extra because those same things were available. Word was that meat, in particular, was going up severely, so I filled the empty spaces in the freezer, with the thought that for a while at least, it would be more economical to do so while that was available and the price was relatively low. No regrets, there.
Stores I have been in are often stripped, so I look for bargains among what is there that we would normally eat. I'm the food shopper of the family (my wife isn't a fan of it) and I often spot things others don't.
But getting those items, usually a one stop deal, became more and more of a scavenger hunt, scattered among four different stores. I'm just glad I bought some extra TP before the run started, because I haven''t seen a roll in the stores since then.
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Just read today that it's a good idea to keep some Clorox wipes in your car for when you fill up the tank.
Gas pump handles...typing in your zip code. You should use them immediately after hanging up the pump.
And if that can happen, is that true for anytime, one keys in their PIN number, etc. etc. How long can it last? Does that mean we have to worry about virtually everything we touch? Because I've heard that about doorknobs and so on. It starts to become having to worry about really everything? Letters? There was an article on mail carriers yesterday and they were complaining of not even having hand sanitizer which I carry in the car.
And what about the cold?? Can cold kill a virus, say if it was on a gas pump handle?? How about handles going into the store? I'm wearing just some inexpensive gloves I happen to have. I have a few, just in case from doing other things like working on the car and the like.
It can get too worrisome, so I've resigned myself to do the best I possibly can but it seems impossible to get all. Hoping that the precautions are sensible enough.
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Because this is a national emergency, so one person was telling me, they will continue to get unemployment for the duration.. it's pretty anecdotal but this sounds about right.
I read the member's post in the last few pages, saying they were drinking tea of ginger and ?? peppermint? I forget the 2nd ingredient but I do know, some mints can play with how the stomach feels, some herbs, camomile may affect digestion or be a relaxant and so on. I would not stop drinking herbal teas over this, just my lay person's view, they probably do more good and it also makes me wonder, maybe per herb tea, not the below, maybe it's good to be cleansing the system anyway, I say all of this before the next article:
Diarrhea and other digestive symptoms are the main complaint in nearly half of coronavirus patients, Chinese researchers report. Most patients with the coronavirus have respiratory symptoms, but these findings from the early stages of the outbreak show that digestive problems are prevalent in many patients with COVID-19.
"Clinicians must bear in mind that digestive symptoms, such as diarrhea, may be a presenting feature of COVID-19, and that the index of suspicion may need to be raised earlier in these cases rather than waiting for respiratory symptoms to emerge," wrote the investigators from the Wuhan Medical Treatment Expert Group for COVID-19.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronavirus-digestive-symptoms-diarrhea-almost-half-of-patients/ (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronavirus-digestive-symptoms-diarrhea-almost-half-of-patients/)
Anyway, the President and others, have made clear this "15 day" period is of importance. We must have 12? 11? Days left, so it is going a bit slowly, if things were to get worse, one might feel more impelled to stand by the 15 days. I'm not even sure we got mail yesterday BUT... people, companies are probably now sending out close to zero junk mail so, that could be the explanation, a lot of junk mail usually shows up every week in the mail
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Lots of Chinese influence around, check this out from the Daily Caller:
Daily Caller
@DailyCaller
NBC's @KeirSimmons
says that China "helped" the world by "delaying" the spread of coronavirus and that it is now "worrying that they may get re-infected...from the rest of the world"
https://twitter.com/DailyCaller/status/1240766137954119680
What a freaking load of rubbish... IN FACT, it was Senator Ted Cruz who pointed this out, glad I save it.
Ted Cruz
@tedcruz
You’ve gotta be kidding— @nbc
tells of how China may have “helped†the world on Coronavirus. This is blatantly false & delusional propaganda. The CCP covered up the outbreak for months, endangering millions. Our media shouldn’t value Chinese govt $$ more than truth.
https://twitter.com/tedcruz/status/1240846636303122432
So, again, don't tell me there might be some Chinese influence out going about and yes, it would be shameful...
Did the US Chamber of Commerce, top-lobbying group in the country to the tune of $100 million-plus, actually express reservations about bringing pharmaceutical jobs and plants back to the USA? It's something like that, that's pretty darn shameful.
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Lots of Chinese influence around, check this out from the Daily Caller:
What a freaking load of rubbish... IN FACT, it was Senator Ted Cruz who pointed this out, glad I save it.
So, again, don't tell me there might be some Chinese influence out going about and yes, it would be shameful...
Did the US Chamber of Commerce, top-lobbying group in the country to the tune of $100 million-plus, actually express reservations about bringing pharmaceutical jobs and plants back to the USA? It's something like that, that's pretty darn shameful.
Now that we have, unfortunately, had our eye forcefully opened, I hope we don't forget once we get thru this.... We tend to have very short memories..
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My daughter in-law who is a nurse, is in a hospital that’s asking them to reuse masks because they don’t have enough.
They have 2 cases of a highly contagious disease in their hospital and the medical personnel can’t protect themselves.
This is a dire medical emergency.
The wife ordered a bunch of masks a month ago and we gave away a couple to her PT who does hospital work as the hospital had limited amounts.
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There’s a big difference between being informed and aware and panic.
It seems that some prefer being ignorant to an honest discussion of what’s going on so they try to pretend nothing is happening.
Can you point out a single comment where this virus is totally dismissed?
No you cannot.
It is simply being hyperventilated and that is worse than the virus in most cases.
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Pretty much what I have been saying al along... immunize the herd. Or medicate the herd and continue to medicate the herd, until the bug becomes resistant, wherein the herd will infect anyhoo.
This quarantine ain't stopping a damn thing.
As has been said many, many times, what it is doing is slowing down the spread so that the medical community isn’t overwhelmed.
Even as it is they are under great stress because of the lack of protective gear.
If I stay at home I will not get sick. If one has gotten sick and stays at home he or she will not spread the disease further.
An overwhelmed nurse practitioner who is tough as nails wrote last night (not my d-i-l) that people need to stop comparing this to the flu. With the flu and other diseases, there is a known medical treatment.
This is brand new and completely unknown.
There is no known treatment and people in the medical community are scared.
THEY are the people we need to try our best to protect. THEY are the reason we need to pay attention to Italy and avoid their grave errors. THEY are the people on the front lines of a battle against an unknown enemy without even a pith helmet.
Ignoring what they are saying and proclaiming that you know better than they is nothing more than hubris.
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Can you point out a single comment where this virus is totally dismissed?
No you cannot.
It is simply being hyperventilated and that is worse than the virus in most cases.
I could point to many, here and elsewhere if I wanted to waste everyone’s time.
See my above post if you want an explanation of whose needs should be our priority.
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I could point to many, here and elsewhere if I wanted to waste everyone’s time.
See my above post if you want an explanation of whose needs should be our priority.
That is a big fat zero then.
Point to one if you can
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Diarrhea and other digestive symptoms are the main complaint in nearly half of coronavirus patients, Chinese researchers report. Most patients with the coronavirus have respiratory symptoms, but these findings from the early stages of the outbreak show that digestive problems are prevalent in many patients with COVID-19.
"Clinicians must bear in mind that digestive symptoms, such as diarrhea, may be a presenting feature of COVID-19, and that the index of suspicion may need to be raised earlier in these cases rather than waiting for respiratory symptoms to emerge," wrote the investigators from the Wuhan Medical Treatment Expert Group for COVID-19.
That may also be a symptom of anxiety from all the lockdowns. I know I'm dealing with difficulty eating lately, and probably will until I start seeing concrete signs we're making progress against this.
Remember, the official stats are well behind what's going on on the ground. With an average of 5 days of incubation, plus the time it takes to take and process the test, the official numbers are still showing the rates of infection from the last weekend before the mitigation/lockdown measures began. That's the most frustrating part of this: the delay in seeing whether these distancing measures are working. I'm hoping over the next few days we start seeing a slowdown in new cases.
But eventually, we will need to reassess how to get society back to normal.
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"In the United States, once a drug has been approved for sale for one purpose, physicians are free to prescribe it for any other purpose that in their professional judgment is both safe and effective, and are not limited to official, FDA-approved indications."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Off-label_use
What are we waiting for?
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Can you point out a single comment where this virus is totally dismissed?
No you cannot.
It is simply being hyperventilated and that is worse than the virus in most cases.
Thanks... I decided to quit responding to the panic driven rhetoric here.
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Just read today that it's a good idea to keep some Clorox wipes in your car for when you fill up the tank.
Gas pump handles...typing in your zip code. You should use them immediately after hanging up the pump.
The VERY first thing I did for my family after this all started was to give them a box of disposable latex gloves to put in their car and told them to use a pair every time they have to fill their cars up with gas. Use hand sanitizer after you are done.
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The VERY first thing I did for my family after this all started was to give them a box of disposable latex gloves to put in their car and told them to use a pair every time they have to fill their cars up with gas. Use hand sanitizer after you are done.
Surprised stations aren't installing small sanitizer stations at the pumps. I personally keep a small bottle of purell in the middle compartment handy.
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Thanks... I decided to quit responding to the panic driven rhetoric here.
Once again...... there is no panic. Just not a denial of reality.
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Once again...... there is no panic. Just not a denial of reality.
The reality is that you cannot provide a single comment that totally dismissed this disease.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FNwvJcnFjc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FNwvJcnFjc)
LIVE: MAJOR President Trump News Conference | 11:45am Eastern
In about an hour
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I personally keep a small bottle of purell in the middle compartment handy.
My wife and I have done that for many years.
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The reality is that you cannot provide a single comment that totally dismissed this disease.
I wasn't going to say this, but the reason I'm not is that I don't want to get into a days long argument with you because of your history of doing that, so I will not respond to any more of your taunts.
Just scroll back on this thread, or check any conservative news forum and you'll see plenty of examples. I'll let you do your own research.
Now stay safe!
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Received a "Breaking News" alert that tax day is being pushed back to July 15. No details yet.
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Received a "Breaking News" alert that tax day is being pushed back to July 15. No details yet.
Swell. I've already coughed up their king's ransom.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FNwvJcnFjc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FNwvJcnFjc)
LIVE: MAJOR President Trump News Conference | 11:45am Eastern
In about an hour
I'm sorry. I clearly can't math today. One more hour until the President's conference
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Received a "Breaking News" alert that tax day is being pushed back to July 15. No details yet.
@Applewood
https://twitter.com/IRSnews/status/1241008572332466178
IRS @IRSnews
Please see @stevenmnuchin1 announcement on moving #TaxDay from April 15 to July 15.
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Steven Mnuchin @stevenmnuchin1
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At @realDonaldTrump’s direction, we are moving Tax Day from April 15 to July 15. All taxpayers and businesses will have this additional time to file and make payments without interest or penalties.
bolding is mine
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China officials knew of coronavirus in December, ordered cover-up, report says (https://nypost.com/2020/02/29/china-officials-knew-of-coronavirus-in-december-ordered-cover-up-report-says/)
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Received a "Breaking News" alert that tax day is being pushed back to July 15. No details yet.
I heard 60 days, not 90.
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Received a "Breaking News" alert that tax day is being pushed back to July 15. No details yet.
I'm in favor of getting rid of tax day permanently!
http://fairtax.org (http://fairtax.org)
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China officials knew of coronavirus in December, ordered cover-up, report says (https://nypost.com/2020/02/29/china-officials-knew-of-coronavirus-in-december-ordered-cover-up-report-says/)
According to a report by Rupert Murdoch's Sunday Times of London. Probably worth questioning the source despite Fox News' extremely responsible journalism before the dead began piling up.
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I wasn't going to say this, but the reason I'm not is that I don't want to get into a days long argument with you because of your history of doing that, so I will not respond to any more of your taunts.
Just scroll back on this thread, or check any conservative news forum and you'll see plenty of examples. I'll let you do your own research.
Now stay safe!
You really have no credibility if you cannot back up your claims.
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China officials knew of coronavirus in December, ordered cover-up, report says (https://nypost.com/2020/02/29/china-officials-knew-of-coronavirus-in-december-ordered-cover-up-report-says/)
It was well known at the time that the first 'whistleblower', a noted Otolaryngologist in the Wuhan area, was forced to retract his public warnings concerning the virus. It was pretty clear who motivated his retraction. BTW he died too.
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The reality is that you cannot provide a single comment that totally dismissed this disease.
This is a total doubters thread on TBR: http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,394834.msg2173068/boardseen.html#new (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,394834.msg2173068/boardseen.html#new)
Is it totally dismissive? It's darn close. It's always easy too, to just say the problem is being exaggerated.
If the Coronavirus is being compared to the yearly flu in severity, yes, that seems to be very dismissive.
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The reality is that you cannot provide a single comment that totally dismissed this disease.
Thanks again. You can be our proxy for response to these folks. Really not in the mood.
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China officials knew of coronavirus in December, ordered cover-up, report says (https://nypost.com/2020/02/29/china-officials-knew-of-coronavirus-in-december-ordered-cover-up-report-says/)
Of course they knew. They lied over and over about it and the public numbers they've provided are complete BS. Those number are repeated over and over by the media painting a false picture of what happened in China. Many in the media are no trying to paint China as some sort of hero in this mess. It is disgusting.
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Cuomo just locked down New York.
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You really have no credibility if you cannot back up your claims.
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I can only speak for myself but @musiclady has proven to me time and again that stuff she writes is thoughtful, honest, and credible.
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Cuomo just locked down New York.
Oh hell. No wonder President Trump has been shouting out :seeya: to him daily since Monday. Cuomo may have planed this days ago.
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Thanks again. You can be our proxy for response to these folks. Really not in the mood.
What people are those? What a total pile of crap. There were numerous people claiming this was nothing more than another strain of the flu and that the normal flu kills more people than this strain bla bla bla and should be treated as such. To stop saying this was something different because it was needlessly panicking people bla bla bla.
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LIVE: MAJOR President Trump News Conference | 11:45am Eastern
www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FNwvJcnFjc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FNwvJcnFjc#)
Ivanka and Pompeo are there.
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Oh hell. No wonder President Trump has been shouting out :seeya: to him daily since Monday. Cuomo may have planed this days ago.
That seems to be the sound of things.
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https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6 (https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6)
One quarter of a million infections confirmed world wide.
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Some of these things have been discussed until some are blue in the face, to then, just have to repeat it.
That doubter's thread would be a good starting point.
I get the frustration.
As said here in the bottom line poll:
...the preoccupation with the death numbers from this virus is folly. It’s been pretty explicitly stated here and elsewhere: the REAL danger of this virus is its potential to overwhelm our healthcare system. When there are no more hospital beds, mask, ventilators, etc, etc...then not only are our healthcare workers in more jeopardy, further exacerbating the problem, but now people will be dying from heart attacks, stroke, infections, broken legs, etc. There is no way to quantify THAT number. Or the price that should be paid for that number. - @Axeslinger
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,395414.msg2173417/boardseen.html#new (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,395414.msg2173417/boardseen.html#new)
And see, this is absolutely correct.
Why get involved in the conversation IF it just goes into the direction where someone points that the average age of one who dies and from this is "81" (and that figure is subject to change obviously), then it's a treadmill and some don't seem to get the above, they just come out and repeat well, look how many die of the flu every year. If that's all the debate is because someone is so hellbent in their opinions, why continue? That's a waste of time.
It's oversimplifying things.
Also, another stat I've seen out there is a carrier will transmit it to how many? Anyway, that is a question, I did see one figure, it wasn't a high figure but I'll bookmark it if I see it again.
While here, unrelated to the current conversation, wow, I didn't know this stuff, interesting:
How Does Coronavirus Reproduce and Can It be Transmitted through Parcels from China?
News 31.01.2020
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Can Coronavirus be Transmitted through Parcels from China?
The answer is – no, that is impossible, as coronaviruses are unstable outside the host.
The first cases of human coronavirus were identified in the mid-1960s. Like any other respiratory disease, the coronaviruses are spread through the air and can be easily destroyed by household detergents and cleaning products.
Despite being fatal, the virus cannot live outside the virus carrier, so there is no opportunity for it to survive on the surface or inside any products shipped by mail.
More: Bonus Blog (https://megabonus.com/en/blog/how-does-a-coronavirus-reproduce-and-can-it-be-transmitted-through-parcels/?utm_referrer=https%3a%2f%2fwww.bing.com%2f&fa821dba_ipp_key=v1584719044449%2Fv3394bd400b5e53a13cfc65163aeca6afa04ab3%2FI%2fHNMMJhp1vMCwlxUf7yQg%3d%3d&fa821dba_ipp_uid=1584719044449%2fG0a3T1xPm3AISs2p%2f8jCbXzikx2a%2bVO8MKBao2w%3d%3d&fa821dba_ipp_uid2=G0a3T1xPm3AISs2p%2f8jCbXzikx2a%2bVO8MKBao2w%3d%3d&fa821dba_ipp_uid1=1584719044449)
The first cases of human coronavirus were identified in the mid-1960s.
This must NOT mean the "Covid19" but other coronaviruses that exist. Other coronas have existed. It's "zoonotic" (?) because it comes from animals?
Zoonotic: Pertaining to a zoonosis: a disease that can be transmitted from animals to people or, more specifically, a disease that normally exists in animals but that can infect humans. There are multitudes of zoonotic diseases.
Some examples include:
anthrax
More: https://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=12958 (https://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=12958)
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As has been said many, many times, what it is doing is slowing down the spread so that the medical community isn’t overwhelmed.
Even as it is they are under great stress because of the lack of protective gear.
That ain't working.
If I stay at home I will not get sick. If one has gotten sick and stays at home he or she will not spread the disease further.
That is not true. If you are fully fortified, and have no further contact, you won't get sick. But that really ain't the case. Either you, or one you know will have to go out for resupply numerous times across many months. And you are likely ordering... Every box and flat stock entering your house is a vector.
An overwhelmed nurse practitioner who is tough as nails wrote last night (not my d-i-l) that people need to stop comparing this to the flu. With the flu and other diseases, there is a known medical treatment.
This is brand new and completely unknown.
No it is not. It is SARS, and the Corona family is long known.
There is no known treatment and people in the medical community are scared.
They should be scared. and they ain't seen nothing yet.
Ignoring what they are saying and proclaiming that you know better than they is nothing more than hubris.
Ignoring what they say, when you yourself just admitted they don't know what to do. Areas of the country are slipping into martial law... whole sectors of the country are collapsing, many to never rise again. THAT is the threat.
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I can only speak for myself but @musiclady has proven to me time and again that stuff she writes is thoughtful, honest, and credible.
If this lie about anyone pretending nothing is happening you believe to be thoughtful, honest and credible, then you two deserve each other as being at the least ignorant and at most outright liars.
There’s a big difference between being informed and aware and panic.
It seems that some prefer being ignorant to an honest discussion of what’s going on so they try to pretend nothing is happening.
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,388835.msg2173085.html#msg2173085 (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,388835.msg2173085.html#msg2173085)
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I can only speak for myself but @musiclady has proven to me time and again that stuff she writes is thoughtful, honest, and credible.
Absolutely and I do think the sentiment that there is nothing amiss here is also something I see. I rarely see some opinion of it just being "overreaction", "yeah, there is danger BUT".... so, I will chime in on Music Lady's side but all the same, I think we are splitting hairs, the debate has gone on enough to just bring it up again.
If someone is saying it's no worse than the seasonal flu, that the seasonal flu has caused more deaths, darn tooting, I think they are dismissing what we are up against and that's nothing against them, they have a right to their opinion too.
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Congratulations to the border patriots celebrating the complete closings of our borders. Probably smart to bring out Chad Wolf Secretary of Homeland Security to remind the GOP base this is what they wanted.
I don't care much about illegal immigration usually, but I do today. Stay home foreigners.
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The fully awesome Dr Fauci is on.
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Trump Drops ‘Game-Changing’ Coronavirus Update — It Could Change Everything
written by David Lindfield March 20, 2020
President Donald Trump referred to a new drug as a potential “game-changer†that has been reportedly producing strong results in trials involving hospitalized American patients.
Specifically, the president said there are a “couple of drugs†the FDA is approving for “immediate use.â€
This is expected to include hydroxychloroquine, a malaria drug that has shown potential in battling coronavirus.
Read more at: https://newspushed.com/trump-drops-game-changing-coronavirus-update-it-could-change-everything/
THIS 15 DAYS, to me, is a bit of a pause, to see where we stand, halt as much as we can the spread of the disease and yes, there is a good chance, a good number of people have walked around with the corona and haven't known it, maybe they won't even get sick, it's all touch and go.
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President Trump invokes defense production act to produce ventilators. This is smart, even if we wind up not needing them, they can be sold, and we will no longer be dependent on foreign manufacturing.
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We are trying to get our ducks in a row, we could seek to follow
South Korea's Hong Kong's, Taiwan's and Singapore's success in tackling this problem. Remember, it's not all bad... these countries and Hong Kong have done okay, I think SK has done reasonably well too. Read up on SK, a cult apparently brought it in there in part, another topic. Also see pic below, I've seen so many of these kinds of pictures, will we see this kind of fumigation in the USA? I lean towards believing that will happen. Heck, that's Taiwan in the picture, probably or maybe the most successful country in fighting this so far, they being aware of the tricks of their foes, Communist China.
PN Balji
Singapore, Hong Kong, Taiwan: the real coronavirus world leaders
Governments across Europe and North America have showed an almost callous disregard for the health of their citizens, and the world
In Asia, meanwhile, oases of single-minded purpose have sprung up, sincere in their efforts to ‘flatten the curve’ of transmission
(https://cdn.i-scmp.com/sites/default/files/styles/1200x800/public/d8/images/methode/2020/03/19/d4616b26-69ab-11ea-9de8-4adc9756b5c3_image_hires_152023.jpg?itok=ka1VSUDi&v=1584602444)
Soldiers practice using disinfectant guns in Taiwan’s Xindian district last week. Photo: AFP
More: https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/opinion/article/3075915/singapore-hong-kong-taiwan-real-coronavirus-world-leaders (https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/opinion/article/3075915/singapore-hong-kong-taiwan-real-coronavirus-world-leaders)
The headline is correct, I don't quite care for the attitude though of the editorial itself. We will find out all in good time.
Just for the freaking record, Professor Steve Hanke tweeted this article out, Hanke is Reagan alumnus, pretty sharp guy.
https://twitter.com/steve_hanke (https://twitter.com/steve_hanke)
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President Trump says he is "not very far away" from Schumer in regards of a stimulus bill.
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President Trump says he is "not very far away" from Schumer in regards of a stimulus bill.
Is it odd that I don't find that surprising?
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If this lie about anyone pretending nothing is happening you believe to be thoughtful, honest and credible, then you two deserve each other as being at the least ignorant and at most outright liars.
I hope tomorrow is a better day for you @IsailedawayfromFR Stay healthy
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Hillary was out tweeting on this, though, I obviously don't agree with what she is saying, she did mention something about nurses using bandanas as masks.
https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/1240749605912002560 Yep, I saw an article on this.
"Hospitals are already running out of ventilators and beds. Nurses are using bandanas as masks."
So, the take away here, is one can make homemade masks as well and also, I guess, one could use a bandana. Certainly caution must be used.
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Is it odd that I don't find that surprising?
@roamer_1
Nope, and I applaud your purity of cynicism. Even though I want to give President Trump the benefit of the doubt, You have every right to doubt him, given his record.
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Trump unloads his ugly but maybe justifiable indignation on the media. Clips available on twitter soon.
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Prof. Steve Hanke
@steve_hanke
#Italy suffered from 475 #Coronavirus deaths in one day. The city of #Bergamo doesn't have enough capacity to cremate all the bodies, so the military had to transport bodies out of the city.
If the US wants to avoid the same fate, the govt must act fast.
https://twitter.com/steve_hanke/status/1240655961846624257
COVID19 is so contagious, that's why the guys and gals are wearing hazmat suits and I guess, in some cases, cremation may be necessary, it's so contagious, what a nightmare that'd be AND...I don't understand it or know enough but I hope we don't see that here.
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New York joins California in locking down against the virus
New York state moved to join California on Friday in confining nearly all residents to their homes, as governors undertook their most sweeping efforts yet to contain the coronavirus and fend off the kind of onslaught of patients that has caused southern Europe to buckle.
“We’re going to close the valve, because the rate of increase in the number of cases portends a total overwhelming of our hospital system,†New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo said as cases in the state climbed to more than 7,000 and the death toll reached at least 38.
Cuomo said that starting Sunday, all workers in nonessential businesses must stay home and all gatherings of any size will be banned in the state of more than 19 million people. The move came after California all but confined its 40 million residents in the biggest lockdown in the nation.
https://apnews.com/52f7fc77cce85060ad1cf73297b7cd45
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I double posted above story here and the NY thread. It’s important for people living in NY see it.
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I double posted above story here and the NY thread. It’s important for people living in NY see it.
I should imagine every cell phone in the state has gone off with alerts.
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Coronavirus: PM orders pubs, restaurants and gyms to close across the UK
Boris Johnson has ordered cafes, pubs, bars, restaurants and gyms to close from tonight in a bid to stop the spread of coronavirus.
It comes after the total number of people who have died in the UK after contracting COVID-19 rose to 177 after England saw 39 more deaths - the biggest rise in a day.
There were 3,269 confirmed cases in the UK recorded by Thursday evening - that figure will be updated later today.
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-pm-orders-pubs-restaurants-and-gyms-to-close-across-the-uk-11961064
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I should imagine every cell phone in the state has gone off with alerts.
You’re probably correct. *sigh*
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:yowsa: He was/is still right as rain!
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Cuomo just locked down New York.
I don't understand why. It's just like a bad flu virus, plus it only kills the elderly or the weakest among us. They were pretty much in God's waiting room anyway, plus why should I have to pay to save THEM. /sarcasm
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Trump unloads his ugly but maybe justifiable indignation on the media. Clips available on twitter soon.
There, fixed it for you. I've been watching the press conference today and it's quite amazing the crap that the media is trying to stir.
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I can only speak for myself but @musiclady has proven to me time and again that stuff she writes is thoughtful, honest, and credible.
Thank you @Once-Ler .
Pointless arguments are...... well, pointless.
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I don't understand why. It's just like a bad flu virus, plus it only kills the elderly or the weakest among us. They were pretty much in God's waiting room anyway, plus why should I have to pay to save THEM. /sarcasm
Because he is dumb as post! Just like his friend, the Governor of California.
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I double posted above story here and the NY thread. It’s important for people living in NY see it.
I saw the press conference. Very discouraged. Thankfully this is as far as Cuomo is willing to go but I'm certainly hoping this doesn't last more than a few weeks.
There are still no confirmed cases here in my county and likely very few unconfirmed ones. There is already plenty of space to keep social distancing. As I noted, the last major gatherings here were the weekend of March 7 and 8. The last major chance of infection likely came from people coming home from college this past week. This SHOULD put the kibosh on any cases here within a couple of weeks if it works as well as they say.
If and when that happens, I am hoping that the governor recognizes that and loosens the restrictions here to focus efforts on urban areas where disease treatment and eradication will likely require a longer time span.
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Because he is dumb as post! Just like his friend, the Governor of California.
Actually, he is... confining people to close quarters without removing all vectors just means the whole house will infect.
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New York joins California in locking down against the virus
New York state moved to join California on Friday in confining nearly all residents to their homes, as governors undertook their most sweeping efforts yet to contain the coronavirus and fend off the kind of onslaught of patients that has caused southern Europe to buckle.
“We’re going to close the valve, because the rate of increase in the number of cases portends a total overwhelming of our hospital system,†New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo said as cases in the state climbed to more than 7,000 and the death toll reached at least 38.
Cuomo said that starting Sunday, all workers in nonessential businesses must stay home and all gatherings of any size will be banned in the state of more than 19 million people. The move came after California all but confined its 40 million residents in the biggest lockdown in the nation.
https://apnews.com/52f7fc77cce85060ad1cf73297b7cd45
Because of DiBlasio's and Cuomo's inaction early on, NY is likely to become America's version of Italy.
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I saw the press conference. Very discouraged. Thankfully this is as far as Cuomo is willing to go but I'm certainly hoping this doesn't last more than a few weeks.
There are still no confirmed cases here in my county and likely very few unconfirmed ones. There is already plenty of space to keep social distancing. As I noted, the last major gatherings here were the weekend of March 7 and 8. The last major chance of infection likely came from people coming home from college this past week. This SHOULD put the kibosh on any cases here within a couple of weeks if it works as well as they say.
If and when that happens, I am hoping that the governor recognizes that and loosens the restrictions here to focus efforts on urban areas where disease treatment and eradication will likely require a longer time span.
We'll all be ok... Don't stress out about this. I've been sleeping like a baby. No reason to worry. Take it all to God in prayer....
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"I can just say the entire world is agreeing with us, because they all have their choice, and Everybody is doing the exact same thing.
We want to shut it out and we can do that.
We'll see what happens in 2 weeks..in 3 weeks.
If we can save thousands of lives, and even millions of lives potentially, you don't know where it goes.
but you could be talking about millions of lives.
[snip] The President points out that even smart leaders in other countries agree with him[/snip]
We can bring our finances back very quickly, we can't bring the people back."
Good stuff Mr President :patriot:
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@corbe I get your point.
What did Friedman say about National Emergencies?
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This is a total doubters thread on TBR: http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,394834.msg2173068/boardseen.html#new (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,394834.msg2173068/boardseen.html#new)
Is it totally dismissive? It's darn close. It's always easy too, to just say the problem is being exaggerated.
If the Coronavirus is being compared to the yearly flu in severity, yes, that seems to be very dismissive.
Dismissive of the panic that has stripped store shelves and had people fighting over toilet paper, and dismissive of "statistics" which give mortality without a denominator and allow for no rate to be calculated to put this disease into perspective.
But not dismissive of the disease nor the fact that people are dying from it.
Quit pimping panic. Thank you.
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Dismissive of the panic that has stripped store shelves and had people fighting over toilet paper, and dismissive of "statistics" which give mortality without a denominator and allow for no rate to be calculated to put this disease into perspective.
But not dismissive of the disease nor the fact that people are dying from it.
Quit pimping panic. Thank you.
We or should I say I don't care to see fumigators out spraying the streets, crematoriums used to burn the dead as is happening in Italy here nor flooded clinics.
Can the ad homs if you just are not knowledgeable of the situation, that's not my fault.
Thank you, have a nice day.
Reagan alumnus:
Prof. Steve Hanke
@steve_hanke
#Italy suffered from 475 #Coronavirus deaths in one day. The city of #Bergamo doesn't have enough capacity to cremate all the bodies, so the military had to transport bodies out of the city.
If the US wants to avoid the same fate, the govt must act fast.
https://twitter.com/steve_hanke/status/1240655961846624257
Sorry, I did not know you were so much more of an expert.
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Dismissive of the panic that has stripped store shelves and had people fighting over toilet paper, and dismissive of "statistics" which give mortality without a denominator and allow for no rate to be calculated to put this disease into perspective.
But not dismissive of the disease nor the fact that people are dying from it.
Quit pimping panic. Thank you.
Since you are not part of the high risk group, I take it that you've taken NO precautions at all.
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"I can just say the entire world is agreeing with us, because they all have their choice, and Everybody is doing the exact same thing.
And there is the irony.
We want to shut it out and we can do that.
No we can't... As those in your first statement will inevitably find out, as they are copying all the nations that came before...
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I don't understand why. It's just like a bad flu virus, plus it only kills the elderly or the weakest among us. They were pretty much in God's waiting room anyway, plus why should I have to pay to save THEM. /sarcasm
Keep in mind that Cuomo was also instrumental in banning fraccing from New York State and blocking pipelines which could have carried Natural Gas not only to New York, but to the entire Northeast.
Once again, the main identified risk factors for a fatal outcome do not necessarily include age, but do include Hypertension, Coronary Disease, and Diabetes. "Pre-existing medical conditions" are nearly universal in cases with fatal outcomes.
Those conditions tend to be more common with age, so the mortality figures appear skewed on the basis of age.
Kindly return your sarcasm to the appropriate orifice.
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@corbe I get your point.
What did Friedman say about National Emergencies?
Nothing that I can quickly discern @Once-Ler we are indeed in uncharted waters.
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And there is the irony.
No we can't... As those in your first statement will inevitably find out, as they are copying all the nations that came before...
Back to the recommended reading The masque of the Red Death by Edgar Allen Poe (https://www.gutenberg.org/files/1064/1064-h/1064-h.htm)
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Back to the recommended reading The masque of the Red Death by Edgar Allen Poe (https://www.gutenberg.org/files/1064/1064-h/1064-h.htm)
You can buy em books and buy em books, and all they'll do is eat the covers.
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Nothing that I can quickly discern @Once-Ler we are indeed in uncharted waters.
And that is the one compelling argument for the draconian response we're seeing. The best any of us can manage is an educated guess.
Granted, some more educated than others.
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Kindly return your sarcasm to the appropriate orifice.
*golf clap*
Nice return.
:beer:
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Back to the recommended reading The masque of the Red Death by Edgar Allen Poe (https://www.gutenberg.org/files/1064/1064-h/1064-h.htm)
I was wondering when the story about Prospero woud come up....
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And that is the one compelling argument for the draconian response we're seeing. The best any of us can manage is an educated guess.
Granted, some more educated than others.
YES! The very same draconian responses that have not worked anywhere!
woohoo *****rollingeyes*****
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YES! The very same draconian responses that have not worked anywhere!
woohoo *****rollingeyes*****
I said it was the one compelling argument. I didn't say I agreed with it.
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I said it was the one compelling argument. I didn't say I agreed with it.
I know. Your position has been clear all along. My sarcasm was not directed at you personally :seeya:
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Since you are not part of the high risk group, I take it that you've taken NO precautions at all.
We don't know all of the factors, but I don't have heart disease, hypertension, nor diabetes.
That reduces my apparent vulnerability to the disease by 99%.
The nearest confirmed case of the virus is 150 miles away.
If the disease gets closer, I will worry about it.
I have some masks, a full pantry (normally), full freezers (also normal), and no garage full of toilet paper.
I go about my business as usual, only stay a little farther from the people I talk with, limit contact, and wash my hands a little more frequently. The temperature outside this morning when I awoke was 1 degree above zero, so I wear gloves as a matter of course. I have for the duration of this disease quit shaking hands, which is harder for me than you might think, partly because the nature of a person's handshake tells me a lot about them.
When my gas tank gets down to 3/4 I fill up, as is prudent in this climate. You never run on the bottom of the fuel tank here, always the top half, and a full tank reduces the expansion and contraction of vapor in the fuel tank, which makes for less water vapor in the system, which prevents fuel line icing, which can be fatal. I don't know anyone personally who has died from this disease, but I did know two people who froze to death.
With all that in mind, I have taken no specific special measures, because all of the above, with the exception of the lack of handshakes and standing a couple feet further away, are just a way of life for me.
I have a full beard, so the ordinary N95 mask won't seal anyway.
What more would you have me do?
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Twitter.....
@PeterSweden7
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BREAKING: Largest increase yet in Corona virus cases in Italy
5 986 new infections and 627 dead today.
- 47 021 infected.
- 4 032 dead.
- 8.6% death rate.
Spain also has over 20 000 cases now.
This is getting really bad
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I double posted above story here and the NY thread. It’s important for people living in NY see it.
@Gefn It's the biggest news of the day. Everybody needs to see it.
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We don't know all of the factors, but I don't have heart disease, hypertension, nor diabetes.
That reduces my apparent vulnerability to the disease by 99%.
The nearest confirmed case of the virus is 150 miles away.
If the disease gets closer, I will worry about it.
I have some masks, a full pantry (normally), full freezers (also normal), and no garage full of toilet paper.
I go about my business as usual, only stay a little farther from the people I talk with, limit contact, and wash my hands a little more frequently. The temperature outside this morning when I awoke was 1 degree above zero, so I wear gloves as a matter of course. I have for the duration of this disease quit shaking hands, which is harder for me than you might think, partly because the nature of a person's handshake tells me a lot about them.
When my gas tank gets down to 3/4 I fill up, as is prudent in this climate. You never run on the bottom of the fuel tank here, always the top half, and a full tank reduces the expansion and contraction of vapor in the fuel tank, which makes for less water vapor in the system, which prevents fuel line icing, which can be fatal. I don't know anyone personally who has died from this disease, but I did know two people who froze to death.
With all that in mind, I have taken no specific special measures, because all of the above, with the exception of the lack of handshakes and standing a couple feet further away, are just a way of life for me.
I have a full beard, so the ordinary N95 mask won't seal anyway.
What more would you have me do?
My normal preparedness is the same as yours. Our pantry is full, as is the large freezer. Didn't panic buy a single thing.
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I don't understand why. It's just like a bad flu virus, plus it only kills the elderly or the weakest among us. They were pretty much in God's waiting room anyway, plus why should I have to pay to save THEM. /sarcasm
@mrpotatohead I understood your post exactly. What you don't seem to get is that Cuomo is only doing this because he hates Trump, he hates America, he hates capitalism, and he hates freedom /sarcasm
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@mrpotatohead I understood your post exactly. What you don't seem to get is that Cuomo is only doing this because he hates Trump, he hates America, he hates capitalism, and he hates freedom /sarcasm
You were doing great until you got to the sarcasm tag. For extra credit check out his positions on the RKBA, too.
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Thank you.
Ditto @TomSea people are angry and scared and you should not judge them at their worst, but remember them at their best. As the President says "We are all in this together" and I am grateful for the sourced information you provide daily. You are fully awesome.
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https://twitter.com/TroyKinsey/status/1241069064526716931
Troy Kinsey @TroyKinsey
Be it done: @GovRonDeSantis this afternoon is ordering #Florida’s restaurants to shut down their dining areas. Gyms are also being forced to close. The governor’s order will, however, allow restaurants to sell take-home alcohol with to-go & delivery food orders. #coronavirus
1:28 PM · Mar 20, 2020 from Tallahassee, FL
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ETksZvZU4AENGl-.jpg)
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A question or two:
It seems like many of those who are becoming severely ill and dying are doing so from contracting pneumonia as a "side-result" of the ChinaVirus.
Will having had a "pneumonia shot" (vaccine? supposed good for 7 years) in the past offer any protection against this?
Anyone have any idea?
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You were doing great until you got to the sarcasm tag. For extra credit check out his positions on the RKBA, too.
Thanks for the reply @Smokin Joe I don't care about the rights of gun owners much more than I care about the rights of illegal immigrants right now. I am interested in how Cuomo he is going to combat a deadly pandemic. Not looking for extra credit. I'll just say you're welcome for the "great" parts.
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A question or two:
It seems like many of those who are becoming severely ill and dying are doing so from contracting pneumonia as a "side-result" of the ChinaVirus.
Will having had a "pneumonia shot" (vaccine? supposed good for 7 years) in the past offer any protection against this?
Anyone have any idea?
I don't know. The three main identifiable risk factors are Hypertension, Diabetes, and Coronary Disease.
Age may be a factor, but the three above are more common as people get older, so that may be a red herring.
Some have postulated that the pneumonia is a form of pulmonary edema brought about by an overly intense immune response, similar to a Cytokine Storm.
Certainly, anything which might prevent an opportunistic bacterial pneumonia can't hurt, but may not provide any protection from the virus, itself.
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A question or two:
It seems like many of those who are becoming severely ill and dying are doing so from contracting pneumonia as a "side-result" of the ChinaVirus.
Will having had a "pneumonia shot" (vaccine? supposed good for 7 years) in the past offer any protection against this?
Anyone have any idea?
That is a damn good question. I doubt this is the place to find a serious answer.
Increasingly I find better, serious inforrmation on (non-political) AM radio, podcasts like Dr. Drew, Scott Adams etc.
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You were doing great until you got to the sarcasm tag. For extra credit check out his positions on the RKBA, too.
Speaking of which, certain 'authorities' in the SF Bay Area have taken it upon themselves to 'pick winners' in this shut down; have determined gun shops are 'non essential' and have ordered them closed. I expect this will spread among the localities.
It won't take much to drive them out of business, a goal of the leftists for years.
Others may disagree, but this is pretty clearly a canary in the coal mine.
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https://twitter.com/TroyKinsey/status/1241069064526716931
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Well played, @Once-Ler . Well played.
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Speaking of which, certain 'authorities' in the SF Bay Area have taken it upon themselves to 'pick winners' in this shut down; have determined gun shops are 'non essential' and have ordered them closed. I expect this will spread among the localities.
It won't take much to drive them out of business, a goal of the leftists for years.
Others may disagree, but this is pretty clearly a canary in the coal mine.
:yowsa: I agree with you 100% @skeeter
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:yowsa: I agree with you 100% @skeeter
It goes to motive and the old 'trading essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety' aphorism.
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It goes to motive and the old 'trading essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety' aphorism.
:thumbsup:
Men are qualified for civil liberty in exact proportion to their disposition to put moral chains upon their own appetites, — in proportion as their love to justice is above their rapacity, — in proportion as their soundness and sobriety of understanding is above their vanity and presumption, — in proportion as they are more disposed to listen to the counsels of the wise and good, in preference to the flattery of knaves. Society cannot exist, unless a controlling power upon will and appetite be placed somewhere; and the less of it there is within, the more there must be without. It is ordained in the eternal constitution of things, that men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters.
Edmund Burke
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3/20
Worldwide
Recovery : Death ratio = 7.90
Cases : Recoveries ratio = 3.01
Hubei
Recovery : Death ratio = 21.91
Cases : Recoveries ratio = 1.14
US-Canada-Mexico
Recovery : Death ratio = 0.18
Cases : Recoveries ratio = 438.17
One piece of good news, reported recoveries in Washington State rose from 1 to 19.
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Aaron Katersky @AaronKatersky
New York State Liquor Store Association notified liquor stores that they have been deemed an essential business and may remain open.
1:35 PM · Mar 20, 2020
The silver lining
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Similar:
Cannabis dispensaries listed as essential businesses under L.A. County coronavirus order
by: Los Angeles Times
Posted: Mar 19, 2020 / 08:09 PM PDT / Updated: Mar 19, 2020 / 08:09 PM PDT
The “safer at home†emergency order just announced by Los Angeles County and the cities within its borders at a Thursday evening news conference requires all indoor malls, shopping centers, playgrounds and nonessential retail businesses to close effective midnight tonight through at least April 19. Allowed to operate — as long as they observe proper social-distancing guidelines and do not include more than 10 people in one place — are a list of essential services including city and county government services, grocery stores, hardware stores and, wait for it, cannabis dispensaries.
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https://ktla.com/news/local-news/cannabis-dispensaries-listed-as-essential-businesses-under-l-a-county-coronavirus-order/ (https://ktla.com/news/local-news/cannabis-dispensaries-listed-as-essential-businesses-under-l-a-county-coronavirus-order/)
Who woulda thunk a bunch of drunks and stoners had such a powerful lobby :shrug:
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"Find out just what a people will submit to, and you have found out the exact amount of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them; and these will continue until they are resisted with either words or blows, or with both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress."
Frederick Douglass August 4, 1857
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"Find out just what a people will submit to, and you have found out the exact amount of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them; and these will continue until they are resisted with either words or blows, or with both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress."
Frederick Douglass August 4, 1857
And it looks like there is no end to that which will be submitted to... That's why I live up here.
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And it looks like there is no end to that which will be submitted to...
As long as the liquor stores stay open.
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As long as the liquor stores stay open.
Woohoo!
*****rollingeyes*****
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Who woulda thunk a bunch of drunks and stoners had such a powerful lobby :shrug:
Together WE ARE MIGHTY!!!
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Together WE ARE MIGHTY!!!
Just as I suspected. happy77
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Any fans of “The Bachelor�
Bachelor’s Colton Underwood Tested Positive for Coronavirus: ‘I'm Exhausted’
Bachelor star Colton Underwood has tested positive for the new coronavirus, he said Friday, and urged younger adults to take the virus seriously.
Underwood, 28, said that he started experiencing symptoms a few days earlier.
“I want to let you guys know: I’m 28, I consider myself pretty healthy, I work out regularly, I eat healthy, and I became symptomatic a few days ago, got my test results back today, and they are positive,†he said in an Instagram video.
The reality star said the virus, officially named COVID-19, has been draining.
https://people.com/health/bachelor-colton-underwood-tested-positive-coronavirus/
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The Bachelor franchises are a guilty, trashy TV treat for me. Pure escapism at it’s silliest.
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Who woulda thunk a bunch of drunks and stoners had such a powerful lobby :shrug:
It's all part of Directive 10-289.
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Just as I suspected. happy77
Naw. I don't smoke pot. About the hardest drug I took in high school was LSD.
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Any fans of “The Bachelor�
Bachelor’s Colton Underwood Tested Positive for Coronavirus: ‘I'm Exhausted’
Bachelor star Colton Underwood has tested positive for the new coronavirus, he said Friday, and urged younger adults to take the virus seriously.
Underwood, 28, said that he started experiencing symptoms a few days earlier.
“I want to let you guys know: I’m 28, I consider myself pretty healthy, I work out regularly, I eat healthy, and I became symptomatic a few days ago, got my test results back today, and they are positive,†he said in an Instagram video.
The reality star said the virus, officially named COVID-19, has been draining.
https://people.com/health/bachelor-colton-underwood-tested-positive-coronavirus/
Is it cold I'm rooting for the virus? It is isn't it? I take it back. 888mouth
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Speaking of which, certain 'authorities' in the SF Bay Area have taken it upon themselves to 'pick winners' in this shut down; have determined gun shops are 'non essential' and have ordered them closed. I expect this will spread among the localities.
It won't take much to drive them out of business, a goal of the leftists for years.
Others may disagree, but this is pretty clearly a canary in the coal mine.
Not sure how crazy the laws are there, and they may require some sort of paperwork over ammo, but I have a feeling back alley ammo sales may pick up there.
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Not sure how crazy the laws are there, and they may require some sort of paperwork over ammo, but I have a feeling back alley ammo sales may pick up there.
@Smokin Joe
You sound like you have connections. I'm looking to score some Purell. I swear I'm not a cop.
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Not sure how crazy the laws are there, and they may require some sort of paperwork over ammo, but I have a feeling back alley ammo sales may pick up there.
CA ammo purchases now require a Certificate of Eligibility issued by the AG and a birth certificate. And I think you are right about the black market.
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A question or two:
It seems like many of those who are becoming severely ill and dying are doing so from contracting pneumonia as a "side-result" of the ChinaVirus.
Will having had a "pneumonia shot" (vaccine? supposed good for 7 years) in the past offer any protection against this?
Anyone have any idea?
I believe the "pneumonia shot" is primarily for protection from pneumonia caused by bacteria. This is viral. Your immune system flooding your lungs with liquid trying to fight the virus is what kills you. Not a secondary infection from what I understand.
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How about some off-brand hand sanitizer made in China?
(https://i.redd.it/zxesabq8odk41.jpg)
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@Smokin Joe
You sound like you have connections. I'm looking to score some Purell. I swear I'm not a cop.
Don' know nothin' bout 'dat stuff... :whistle:
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CA ammo purchases now require a Certificate of Eligibility issued by the AG and a birth certificate. And I think you are right about the black market.
Wow. Here you just walk in and buy what you want, if it's in stock.
THere is always a black market, but it will boom and prices jump.
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@Smokin Joe
You sound like you have connections. I'm looking to score some Purell. I swear I'm not a cop.
SJ knows guys
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTxg_dpJhPU#)
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SJ knows guys
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTxg_dpJhPU#)
Beautiful! :silly: :silly:
I only know one guy, but he knows a guy... who knows a guy...
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Wow. Here you just walk in and buy what you want, if it's in stock.
THere is always a black market, but it will boom and prices jump.
Thats how it was here two years ago.
I guess I'll have to go beat some bushes cause I sure as hell ain't gonna tell AG Becerra what I might have in my closet.
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Thats how it was here two years ago.
I guess I'll have to go beat some bushes cause I sure as hell ain't gonna tell AG Becerra what I might have in my closet.
Arizona and Nevada are not too far away.
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Thats how it was here two years ago.
I guess I'll have to go beat some bushes cause I sure as hell gonna tell AG Becerra what I might have in my closet.
That's the back door registration aspect. I have found it prudent perhaps to have a bolt or lever action in every semi-auto rifle caliber. Pistol ammo is limited to the wheel guns, though. not many bolt or lever actions in .45 ACP or 9mm. That's still cash on the barrel head, 250-500 rounds at a time. If drilling picks back up there may be a Dillon in my future. I have components, too.
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Arizona and Nevada are not too far away.
Yeah but we gotta be careful. CA agents have been known to take down numbers of CA plates on cars parked at places like Cabelas in Reno and calling them ahead to CHP across the state line. Guys have been stopped and cited for bringing ammo back home this way.
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Wow. Here you just walk in and buy what you want, if it's in stock.
THere is always a black market, but it will boom and prices jump.
I got a bunch of 5.56 at a gun show where I was working a table for a guy running for Senator. Just picked it up off the table and took it home.
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That's the back door registration aspect. I have found it prudent perhaps to have a bolt or lever action in every semi-auto rifle caliber. Pistol ammo is limited to the wheel guns, though. not many bolt or lever actions in .45 ACP or 9mm. That's still cash on the barrel head, 250-500 rounds at a time. If drilling picks back up there may be a Dillon in my future. I have components, too.
I'd like a minigun, too.
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZMgo9Vma1I#)
Or were you talking about reloading equipment?
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Noticing that the infectious areas are still growing at an alarming rate in, for example, New Jersey, Is it still safe to go for a 3 mile walk by yourself at this time in Maryland/DC?
Asking for a FRiend... :cool:
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I'd like a minigun, too.
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZMgo9Vma1I#)
Or were you talking about reloading equipment?
I'd love one of those, but it would take one of these to feed it: (https://www.dillonprecision.com/uimages/dillon-xl750-reloader-1.jpg)
https://www.dillonprecision.com/xl-750-reloader_8_1_26745.html (https://www.dillonprecision.com/xl-750-reloader_8_1_26745.html)
That is less conspicuous...and less likely to attract undue attention.
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j myrle wrote:
"Cuomo just locked down New York..."
How long before he declares a curfew, as well...?
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j myrle wrote:
"Cuomo just locked down New York..."
How long before he declares a curfew, as well...?
It is a curfew! 24 hours a day, $1,000 fine in California. Unless you're making a pot run, that's essential. That means you'd better have pot in the car if you ever get stopped for driving. This is said without a hint of sarcasm.
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Aaron Katersky @AaronKatersky
New York State Liquor Store Association notified liquor stores that they have been deemed an essential business and may remain open.
1:35 PM · Mar 20, 2020
The silver lining
Well, how else are you supposed to make hand sanitizer? :shrug:
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Wow. Here you just walk in and buy what you want, if it's in stock.
I know, right?
It's like a whole nother planet....
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The number of cases in Western Europe (most of it) yesterday and today:
Yesterday: 88,309 cases
Today: 124,335 cases
That's 36,026 more today !!
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I know, right?
It's like a whole nother planet....
Yep! :beer:
Another country, anyway. :shrug:
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Yesterday: 88,309 cases
Today: 124,335 cases
That's 36,026 more today !!
That's 36,026 who already had it yesterday, but first got tested today.
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Lolololololololol…..
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That's 36,026 who already had it yesterday, but first got tested today.
So?
That’s still 124,000 cases in Western Europe.
That’s a lot of suffering people.
A lot!
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So ... will you be taking the economy flight, I assume?
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Careful. The US State Dept has flagged your bathrooms as no-go zones.
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"How China can be held legally accountable for coronavirus pandemic"
https://www.foxnews.com/world/china-legally-accountable-coronavirus (https://www.foxnews.com/world/china-legally-accountable-coronavirus)
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"How China can be held legally accountable for coronavirus pandemic"
https://www.foxnews.com/world/china-legally-accountable-coronavirus (https://www.foxnews.com/world/china-legally-accountable-coronavirus)
Interesting Article.
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Interesting Article.
It also provides a good time line of the events.
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152 Detroit police officers quarantined amid coronavirus pandemic as 5 test positive
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/03/20/152-detroit-police-officers-quarantined-as-5-have-coronavirus/2887552001/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/03/20/152-detroit-police-officers-quarantined-as-5-have-coronavirus/2887552001/)
Arresting, apprehension, I can see a risk factor.
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Ryan Struyk
@ryanstruyk
Reported US coronavirus cases in March via @CNN
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3/1: 89
3/2: 105
3/3: 125
3/4: 159
3/5: 227
3/6: 331
3/7: 444
3/8: 564
3/9: 728
3/10: 1,000
3/11: 1,267
3/12: 1,645
3/13: 2,204
3/14: 2,826
3/15: 3,505
3/16: 4,466
3/17: 6,135
3/18: 8,760
3/19: 13,229
Now: 18,182
https://twitter.com/ryanstruyk/status/1241174328743428096 (https://twitter.com/ryanstruyk/status/1241174328743428096)
3/18 to 3/19, what a jump.
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Not going to read posted abve now.
According to the Wikipedia info I posted, at that time, about 60 pages ago, patient zero was identified Dec. 1, 2019 and had never been to the "wet" market.
There was an initial identification by a group of Indian MDs who pointed to several indications of gene insertion in this virus. Preprint, meaning not "peered approved" that has since been pulled. Pointing to HIV insertions.
There has been reports that certain antivirals, quinoline, whatever, are effective against this virus.
DO you people know what quinoline is?
It is a scaffold. DO you know what a scaffold is?
The origin, transmission and clinical therapies on coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) outbreak – an update on the status
FYI (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjQn8eNzaroAhWOs54KHUifBycQFjAAegQIBRAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fmmrjournal.biomedcentral.com%2Farticles%2F10.1186%2Fs40779-020-00240-0&usg=AOvVaw3i7eoiFZ7RFikygUFl8nMG)
If that info has "changed" since so be it.
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"How China can be held legally accountable for coronavirus pandemic"
https://www.foxnews.com/world/china-legally-accountable-coronavirus (https://www.foxnews.com/world/china-legally-accountable-coronavirus)
Mentions the bio-weapon treaty too, probably not in play but, we will see.
What a mess and you know, for all intents and purposes, we were pushed into this almost over night (yeah, technically more like a month but it's all been so sudden, my heavens!)
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Not going to read posted abve now.
According to the Wikipedia info I posted, at that time, about 60 pages ago, patient zero was identified Dec. 1, 2019 and had never been to the "wet" market.
There was an initial identification by a group of Indian MDs who pointed to several indications of gene insertion in this virus. Preprint, meaning not "peered approved" that has since been pulled. Pointing to HIV insertions.
There has been reports that certain antivirals, quinoline, whatever, are effective against this virus.
DO you people know what quinoline is?
It is a scaffold. DO you know what a scaffold is?
The origin, transmission and clinical therapies on coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) outbreak – an update on the status
FYI (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjQn8eNzaroAhWOs54KHUifBycQFjAAegQIBRAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fmmrjournal.biomedcentral.com%2Farticles%2F10.1186%2Fs40779-020-00240-0&usg=AOvVaw3i7eoiFZ7RFikygUFl8nMG)
If that info has "changed" since so be it.
Great links here too, I need to read and not post and yes, I did see some the report by those Indian doctors, not peer reviewed.
And lots to check on quinoline. Good info.
PS to all, this thread is over a hundred pages.... you know, it's fairly tidy, just thinking what might come next.
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Arresting, apprehension, I can see a risk factor.
If a huge portion of the police dept. becomes quarantined for 14 days....it will be a free for all there. Glad we have guns here....or at least the neighbors do...lol.
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Mentions the bio-weapon treaty too, probably not in play but, we will see.
What a mess and you know, for all intents and purposes, we were pushed into this almost over night (yeah, technically more like a month but it's all been so sudden, my heavens!)
There are other factors at play here. It isn't sudden. Malodorous. Something stinks here.
The world is being played. Why not?
This is me. Telling you to think about what is right. Righteousness.
No, and none of any of all of you saying or misinterpreting each other.
Me, on the other hand. I am free to fling all the bat shit crazy talk I want to. You can blame it on me. I'll take that. But I could use some help with someone redirecting all of @corbe s bat shit crazy wimmin to my house to your house.
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Wow, @bigheadfred . Awesome!
From your FYI link: https://mmrjournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s40779-020-00240-0/figures/1 (http://The origin, transmission and clinical therapies on Coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) outbreak – an update on the status) we get a graphic of COVID-19 in a nutshell. It appears we can COPD to the list of high risk factors with Hypertension, Diabetes, and Cardiovascular Disease.
(https://media.springernature.com/full/springer-static/image/art%3A10.1186%2Fs40779-020-00240-0/MediaObjects/40779_2020_240_Fig1_HTML.png?as=webp)
If Cytopathic Effect (CPE), Cytokine Storm, or sustained inflammatory response are part of the the pathology, then counterintuitively, immuno suppression at some point may help prevent the sort of pulmonary edema that could be fatal.
I wonder if anyone is looking at Turmeric as an immunosuppressor? If that is the case, and whether a diet high in turmeric (curry powder contains turmeric) provides any enhanced resistance. Do we have any numbers from India?
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On that study from India claiming HIV or AIDS was inserted into the virus, I'm not saying this claims it was wrong... but I'd be real cautious with this. I read about, in fact, I posted it but I'd never be able to find it now.
Quick retraction of a faulty coronavirus paper was a good moment for science
By Ivan Oransky and Adam Marcus February 3, 2020
As fears of the novel coronavirus 2019-nCoV continued to spread last Friday, an inflammatory new paper appeared on bioRxiv, a preprint server, where scientists post work that hasn’t been vetted.
Titled “Uncanny similarity of unique inserts in the 2019-nCoV spike protein to HIV-1 gp120 and Gag,†the paper claimed to find similarities between the new coronavirus and HIV, the virus that causes AIDS. The use of the word “uncanny†in the title, together with “unlikely to be fortuitous†in the abstract, led some to think that the authors were suggesting the virus had somehow been engineered by humans.
The paper, from academic institutions in New Delhi, India, was critical and alarming, if true. Except that it wasn’t.
The paper was almost immediately withdrawn, but not before plenty of handwringing from researchers who complained that the appearance of such shoddy work on a preprint server without vetting by peer reviewers is precisely why the hoary old model of science publishing is better at keeping junk science out of the literature.
More: https://www.statnews.com/2020/02/03/retraction-faulty-coronavirus-paper-good-moment-for-science/ (https://www.statnews.com/2020/02/03/retraction-faulty-coronavirus-paper-good-moment-for-science/)
Maybe some are experts, I'm not. Just posting followup.
I think I found on bing a few articles on this whole episode, if someone is curious, just websearch something like "Scientists claim AIDS inserted into Coronavirus".
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@Smokin Joe
Thanks for the reply. I am taking a relatively large dose of Warfarin so Tumeric is off my diet.
My initial interest in the outbreak had nothing to do with the actual disease factor. It was an indicator to something else.
I read more articles on many subjects that are "peered' reviewed than the MSM. There is a huge amount of information being presented on this forum that are "of no interest", etc. to many. But overall, this is a well-presented forum full of professional people of all walks.
I thank you all for letting me partake. And not shunning me when I VENT.
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"What does coronavirus feel like? Here’s what survivors and patients say about it."
https://www.sacbee.com/news/coronavirus/article241363476.html (https://www.sacbee.com/news/coronavirus/article241363476.html)
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@Smokin Joe
Thanks for the reply. I am taking a relatively large dose of Warfarin so Tumeric is off my diet.
My initial interest in the outbreak had nothing to do with the actual disease factor. It was an indicator to something else.
I read more articles on many subjects that are "peered' reviewed than the MSM. There is a huge amount of information being presented on this forum that are "of no interest", etc. to many. But overall, this is a well-presented forum full of professional people of all walks.
I thank you all for letting me partake. And not shunning me when I VENT.
You are an intelligent man, fred. You challenge your mind rather than let it wallow in the MSM mush.
Sometimes knowing is a burden, especially when it is hard to render proof, or to articulate exactly which synapses tripped in what sequence to produce that conclusion, even though it's right there, and seemingly obvious.
Now, after all these years, I feel for the PhD in math who intuitively skips steps on the board and then has a hard time going back and filling each and every one in for those who don't make those same leaps.
And sometimes, those leaps, because of flaws in starting point or misdirection, miss their mark. No one is perfect, especially me.
I am glad you are here. I understand venting. I wait until I am the only one home.
I have only ever had one mouse (briefly) in this 100 year old house since I moved in 33 years ago, and I think it keeps the rodents away.
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You said, "Here's what I posted ... sorry for rocking your world."
Bob's son is a Captain Pilot for United Airlines. I know more about United Airlines than you do as he keeps us posted every day. He doesn't know if he will be laid-off. He has cancelled TV reception at their home (He owns a horse farm), and cancelled auto insurance on a car they are not driving now. Captains may be demoted to regular pilot status with the cut in pay. No pilot/Captain knows what will happen next.
Could all airlines in the US shut down? If no one is flying, no plane is going up.
I don't know a thing about Bob or his son ... I do know in spite of the rough times ahead the airlines and their employees will survive this through a combination of union and federal interventions.
There's really no need to stoke the flames of fear...there's enough of this going around. This might be a good time for you to offer financial assistance to Bob's son .... and remind him to keep the faith. Both will be returned to you exponentially. happy77
@Victoria33
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3/18 to 3/19, what a jump.
Realize that there is a lag: you don't get tested the moment you get infected. You factor in the incubation period, plus the time to obtain and then process the test, and you're still dealing with infections that happened nearly two weeks ago—before any restrictions were put in place.
My concern, and perhaps biggest fear of any of this, is: what if we don't start seeing any improvement in the numbers within a few days? If social distancing doesn't work, then what?
My biggest hope is that these measures halt the virus from spreading in areas where it has very few cases and that, sometime next month, we can get some semblance of normality back.
Sitting at home and watching Netflix for a while sounds appealing, but not for months at a time! Social distancing is not a permanent solution to this.
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How about some off-brand hand sanitizer made in China?
(https://i.redd.it/zxesabq8odk41.jpg)
Is that Chiroptera in the ingredients?
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Is that Chiroptera in the ingredients?
Since it is distributable by the never hos in Colorado and made in China I would say absoltionalately.
Suck it up. Batter up.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ETmTF5VWAAAeoi4.jpg)
NOT A STILL IMAGE FROM A HORROR MOVIE.
Vanderbilt University Medical Center in Nashville has set up the PARKING GARAGE for intake and treatment.
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Since it is distributable by the never hos in Colorado and made in China I would say absoltionalately.
Suck it up. Batter up.
Thanks for your response @bigheadfred
Some people have a way with words, and others not have way.
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(https://i.imgur.com/Otlj9ap.png)
Some people are just not quite right in the head.
I mean who didn't see that coming?
In a few weeks there will be a nationwide glut of toilet paper in all the stores, on the street, and with all the charities.
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(https://i.imgur.com/Otlj9ap.png)
Some people are just not quite right in the head.
I mean who didn't see that coming?
In a few weeks there will be a nationwide glut of toilet paper in all the stores, on the street, and with all the charities.
Trees will be adorned this spring...
I am concerned for my grandson who is looking forward to his job sealing highway cracks picking back up as the weather warms. That white strip laid on top of the tar? Yep. Toilet paper...
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHUuWq6y8F0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHUuWq6y8F0#)
Emily Landon speaks at COVID news conference
She does a great job explaining why the President's leadership and direction is important.
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Thanks for your response @bigheadfred
Some people have a way with words, and others not have way.
Sooo... in lite of world events the people who should have some weigh aren't getting their way because they, the Kurds, as cheesy as it sounds, all they are getting is their whey?
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Sooo... in lite of world events the people who should have some weigh aren't getting their way because they, the Kurds, as cheesy as it sounds, all they are getting is their whey?
Exactly. Well stated. I couldn't have said it better.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ETmTF5VWAAAeoi4.jpg)
NOT A STILL IMAGE FROM A HORROR MOVIE.
Vanderbilt University Medical Center in Nashville has set up the PARKING GARAGE for intake and treatment.
Holy Cow!
speechless
888cryingkitty
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Off topic, that apartment is at least 2-3x as big as mine if more and triple the closet space,:)
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https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/live-blog/coronavirus-updates-california-issues-stay-home-order-no-new-local-n1164541/ncrd1165471#liveBlogHeader (https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/live-blog/coronavirus-updates-california-issues-stay-home-order-no-new-local-n1164541/ncrd1165471#liveBlogHeader)
Nevada's governor orders all non-essential business to close
Days after Nevada Gov. Steve Sisolak shut down gambling in the state and asked non-essential businesses to close, he turned that into an order aimed at slowing the spread of the coronavirus.
"Previously, I asked nonessential businesses to close, but this moment now demands more,†Sisolak said in a statement Friday. "Today, I directed ALL nonessential businesses to close. I repeat. If you are NOT an essential business, I am using my power as Governor under an emergency declaration to order you to close."
The governor on Tuesday ordered that all gaming machines, table games and other related equipment to close. He said non-essential businesses should close. He said this week that grocery stores, banks, pharmacies, hardware stores, gas stations and similar services would remain open.
The order lasts until April 16.
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Off topic, that apartment is at least 2-3x as big as mine if more and triple the closet space,:)
IKR? What is a walk in closet? Wouldn't you smush up your clothes if you did that?
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IKR? What is a walk in closet?
It is something that every woman fantasizes about.
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And I bet they look fabulous!
Christian Siriano making face masks for medical workers battling coronavirus
By Carlos Greer
March 20, 2020 | 1:50pm
Christian Siriano has stepped up to provide face masks to medical workers fighting coronavirus, after Governor Andrew Cuomo offered funding to businesses who can help out with the low supply.
“If @NYGovCuomo says we need masks my team will help make some. I have a full sewing team still on staff working from home that can help,†Siriano tweeted on Friday. ...
NY Post (https://pagesix.com/2020/03/20/christian-siriano-offers-to-make-face-masks-for-medical-workers-battling-coronavirus/).
Seriously, some hospitals are welcoming homemade masks (https://www.nola.com/entertainment_life/article_8abca22e-6af0-11ea-91c3-ffeb1b9241fa.html). After all, they used to use cloth facemasks and just wash them after use. If you can sew, get to work! Here's (https://www.craftpassion.com/wp-json/mv-create/v1/creations/19/print) a pattern.
If nothing else, the homemade masks may be used by non-medical personnel, freeing up the commercially made ones for doctors, nurses, et al.
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2020-03-21 06:15 CDT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global | 7.89 ↓ | 3.07 ↑ |
| US/Can/Mex | 0.86 ↓ | 481.35 ↑ |
| China | 22.04 ↑ | 1.13 ↓ |
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Seriously. I have done cabinetry work in Jackson's Hole, Whyowing that are Jack and Jill's with some high dollar imported European "smoked" plywood with the cost of the product scary enough you don't even want to touch the shit. And there are all these smart devices to hide, show, and parade. We did one that was a three-story tenement with the closets/bathrooms upstairs. All done by designers. I happened to be one of the first out when the actual owners showed. How to say this politely? The woman says I ain't climbing no uh stairs to pee.
Can't say I could blame her. Didn't bother me to piss out any window.
apology
Didn't mean a thread Hi Jack or Jill
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Holy Cow!
speechless
888cryingkitty
Ready, but no patients yet.
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Ready, but no patients yet.
That’s what hospitals do. Prepare.
Ohio hospitals are contacting hotels and nursing homes to use as wings to transfer non - contagious patients to in order to make room in case there are large numbers of contagious patients.
Elective surgeries are being postponed to keep medical staffs available.
There are already cluster cases in nursing homes where medical personnel are strained and at risk.
The Ohio National Guard is available to set up tents for triage.
That’s because the medical community is smart enough to take this pandemic seriously.
They aren’t just sitting at home pretending it isn’t happening. They’re on the front lines of this unprecedented (in our lifetimes) battle, which is still getting worse and a long time from getting better.
I thank God that the people who count (scientists, the medical community) are taking this pandemic seriously.
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That’s what hospitals do. Prepare.
Ohio hospitals are contacting hotels and nursing homes to use as wings to transfer non - contagious patients to in order to make room in case there are large numbers of contagious patients.
Elective surgeries are being postponed to keep medical staffs available.
There are already cluster cases in nursing homes where medical personnel are strained and at risk.
The Ohio National Guard is available to set up tents for triage.
That’s because the medical community is smart enough to take this pandemic seriously.
They aren’t just sitting at home pretending it isn’t happening. They’re on the front lines of this unprecedented (in our lifetimes) battle, which is still getting worse and a long time from getting better.
I thank God that the people who count (scientists, the medical community) are taking this pandemic seriously.
Yep. I was seeing both as a good thing. (Being ready, and no patients).
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Yep. I was seeing both as a good thing. (Being ready, and no patients).
Absolutely: the more we can expand capacity (and develop/approve treatments), the less the curve has to be "flattened" and the shorter this epidemic will end up.
Let's hope and pray that we see some results by Easter. I'm hoping even more that we see the social distancing measures that began last week start to show up and new cases start to plateau in the next few days.
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Ready, but no patients yet.
Be patient.
haha
In the worldview.
Be positive, the communists will surely kill at least twice as many people as the last century . Statistically. hahaha
2193 people died of corona in China. But 4,878,313 died of old age. They were sick anyway. 5,712,435 died of malnutrition. And 4,543,936 died of dishysteria.
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THAT was yeesterday
hahahhaaaa
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Absolutely: the more we can expand capacity (and develop/approve treatments), the less the curve has to be "flattened" and the shorter this epidemic will end up.
Let's hope and pray that we see some results by Easter. I'm hoping even more that we see the social distancing measures that began last week start to show up and new cases start to plateau in the next few days.
I think the states who were ahead of the curve in putting restrictions in place more than a week ago will have the curve flatten earlier.
When I see the enormous upswing of cases in New York and particularly NYC where “leaders†ignored the threat I am more concerned that the worst of this will be prolonged.
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I think the states who were ahead of the curve in putting restrictions in place more than a week ago will have the curve flatten earlier.
When I see the enormous upswing of cases in New York and particularly NYC where “leaders†ignored the threat I am more concerned that the worst of this will be prolonged.
I feel like NYC will end up being another Wuhan. There will be hotspots that will go on for months, unless the weather/UV issue indeed works and/or we get treatments approved that substantially shorten hospital stays. But the rest of the country will eventually have to get back to work.
I'll note that, other than a few troublemakers, New Yorkers have been particularly urgent and cooperative in regard to doing what it takes to quash this bug. You see the empty subways and Times Square pics. So that plays into our benefit.
Being in a state and city led by two Italians doesn't play to our benefit.
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I thank God that the people who count (scientists, the medical community) are taking this pandemic seriously.
As do I. It should be taken seriously. But there is a huge difference between gravity and hysteria.
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As do I. It should be taken seriously. But there is a huge difference between gravity and hysteria.
Yep, and Mike Rowe knows it intimately.
Mike Rowe brings a dose of common sense to coronavirus panic
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/03/mike_rowe_brings_a_dose_of_common_sense_to_coronavirus_panic.html (https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/03/mike_rowe_brings_a_dose_of_common_sense_to_coronavirus_panic.html)
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As do I. It should be taken seriously. But there is a huge difference between gravity and hysteria.
And we all agree on that. ALL of us.
There is no "hysteria" on this forum, so there is no need to continue to preach about how we must avoid it.
And there is even less need for anyone here to pretend they don't care about suffering and death just to keep people on this forum from being "hysterical."
It's OK to admit that you care about the massive amount of pain this pandemic is causing.
It's OK to admit it exists, and that it's a very real problem.
It's OK.
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I feel like NYC will end up being another Wuhan. There will be hotspots that will go on for months, unless the weather/UV issue indeed works and/or we get treatments approved that substantially shorten hospital stays. But the rest of the country will eventually have to get back to work.
I am reading conflicting reports. There is an article out there that is saying that in NY they are experiencing 1 death every hour. Other reports are showing that NY has had 47 deaths. The numbers agree though as to the number of cases being at over 8,000.
There are several states with over 500 cases; Florida, Michigan, Illinois, California, Washington and Louisiana. We've seen cases nearly triple in the past week here in Florida. IMHO these places also have the potential to be just like NY.
Weather and UV, again, and I've pointed this out before; in Florida most of our days our sunny...no rain or clouds here (SW FL) since the first case and our temperatures for the past couple of days have been in the 90's. We have gone from 2 cases in my county to 14 cases (3 non-residents) in the past 2 weeks, with 2 deaths. Yes it's a small number, but the rate of increase is concerning. As a state we are at 563 cases and 10 deaths. My point is, I don't see that weather and UV is going to have any impact.
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I am reading conflicting reports. There is an article out there that is saying that in NY they are experiencing 1 death every hour.
I suspect that pace won't be maintained very long.
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And we all agree on that. ALL of us.
There is no "hysteria" on this forum, so there is no need to continue to preach about how we must avoid it.
And there is even less need for anyone here to pretend they don't care about suffering and death just to keep people on this forum from being "hysterical."
It's OK to admit that you care about the massive amount of pain this pandemic is causing.
It's OK to admit it exists, and that it's a very real problem.
It's OK.
Very well stated
Thank you.
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The latest numbers on the Johns Hopkins site:
New York, US
Confirmed: 8,403
Deaths: 46
Recovered: 0
Active: 8,357
Compare that with the second worst state:
Washington, US
Confirmed: 1,524
Deaths: 83
Recovered: 0
Active: 1,441
FIVE times more cases in NY (most in NYC) than the second worst state.
@libertybele
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Very well stated
Thank you.
Thanks fred.
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Yep, and Mike Rowe knows it intimately.
Mike Rowe brings a dose of common sense to coronavirus panic
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/03/mike_rowe_brings_a_dose_of_common_sense_to_coronavirus_panic.html (https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/03/mike_rowe_brings_a_dose_of_common_sense_to_coronavirus_panic.html)
Mr. Rowe expresses my sentiments too. 100%.
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Yep, and Mike Rowe knows it intimately.
Mike Rowe brings a dose of common sense to coronavirus panic
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/03/mike_rowe_brings_a_dose_of_common_sense_to_coronavirus_panic.html (https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/03/mike_rowe_brings_a_dose_of_common_sense_to_coronavirus_panic.html)
I suspect the president understands the long term danger to this shut down, and invariably he will come up against the left when he tries to return things to normal. Its clear, to me anyway, the left are determined to keep this state of affairs for as long as possible.
It will be interesting to see how the public reacts when this showdown occurs.
BTW more info https://medium.com/six-four-six-nine/evidence-over-hysteria-covid-19-1b767def5894 (https://medium.com/six-four-six-nine/evidence-over-hysteria-covid-19-1b767def5894)
This paragraph was particularly interesting: It is important to note that in both scenarios (allowing the virus to run its course & 'flattening the curve'), the total number of COVID-19 cases will be similar. “Flattening the curveâ€â€™s focus is a shock to the healthcare system which can increase fatalities due to capacity constraints. In the long-term, it isn’t infection prevention. Unfortunately, “flattening the curve†doesn’t include other downsides and costs of execution.
Ping to @roamer_1 once again, this is what you've been telling us.
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLn1NZDrFbw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLn1NZDrFbw#)
BREAKING: President Trump SPECIAL News Conference | White House
377 waiting
•Scheduled for Mar 21, 2020
About 90 mins from now
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https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/live-blog/coronavirus-updates-california-issues-stay-home-order-no-new-local-n1164541/ncrd1165471#liveBlogHeader (https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/live-blog/coronavirus-updates-california-issues-stay-home-order-no-new-local-n1164541/ncrd1165471#liveBlogHeader)
Nevada's governor orders all non-essential business to close
Days after Nevada Gov. Steve Sisolak shut down gambling in the state and asked non-essential businesses to close, he turned that into an order aimed at slowing the spread of the coronavirus.
"Previously, I asked nonessential businesses to close, but this moment now demands more,†Sisolak said in a statement Friday. "Today, I directed ALL nonessential businesses to close. I repeat. If you are NOT an essential business, I am using my power as Governor under an emergency declaration to order you to close."
The governor on Tuesday ordered that all gaming machines, table games and other related equipment to close. He said non-essential businesses should close. He said this week that grocery stores, banks, pharmacies, hardware stores, gas stations and similar services would remain open.
The order lasts until April 16.
I think weed dispensaries are "essential." LA County agrees.
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Evidence over hysteria — COVID-19
(https://medium.com/six-four-six-nine/evidence-over-hysteria-covid-19-1b767def5894)
The above linked article is FULL of very useful information for those who are choosing to use their heads.
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I suspect that pace won't be maintained very long.
The quote referenced above is headlined on Drudge.
Btw, I have a family member who is “gutted†over Andy Cohen.
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Evidence over hysteria — COVID-19
(https://medium.com/six-four-six-nine/evidence-over-hysteria-covid-19-1b767def5894)
The above linked article is FULL of very useful information for those who are choosing to use their heads.
I saw this on Twitter. This is very good for putting this virus into perspective.
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Cuomo just gave his daily update. Overall infection rate is up about 50% from yesterday, an improvement from yesterday's doubling over the day before (sign of inflection point). Approves of the hydroxychloroquine-azithromycin combo for treatment. No new mandates as expected, the first time this week he hasn't issued a new restriction. Says they are on comparable track to China (two weeks to peak, a month to no new cases) if compliance holds but says this will likely be on the order of months. Commissioning volunteer therapists to deal with the massive social anxiety this causes. Overall tone is upbeat.
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Evidence over hysteria — COVID-19
(https://medium.com/six-four-six-nine/evidence-over-hysteria-covid-19-1b767def5894)
The above linked article is FULL of very useful information for those who are choosing to use their heads.
Which, again doesn't apply to anyone on this forum (that would be people NOT using their heads, who don't exist here).
So the 24 font isn't really necessary, is it? That would be for people "using their heads" like the rest of us are......
ALL of us here are using our heads about this pandemic. ALL of us.
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Cuomo just gave his daily update. Overall infection rate is up about 50% from yesterday, an improvement from yesterday's doubling over the day before (sign of inflection point). Approves of the hydroxychloroquine-azithromycin combo for treatment. No new mandates as expected, the first time this week he hasn't issued a new restriction. Says they are on comparable track to China (two weeks to peak, a month to no new cases) if compliance holds but says this will likely be on the order of months. Commissioning volunteer therapists to deal with the massive social anxiety this causes. Overall tone is upbeat.
I suspect all the rats will talk of compliance in terms of months. That ain't gonna happen.
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Cuomo just gave his daily update. Overall infection rate is up about 50% from yesterday, an improvement from yesterday's doubling over the day before (sign of inflection point). Approves of the hydroxychloroquine-azithromycin combo for treatment. No new mandates as expected, the first time this week he hasn't issued a new restriction. Says they are on comparable track to China (two weeks to peak, a month to no new cases) if compliance holds but says this will likely be on the order of months. Commissioning volunteer therapists to deal with the massive social anxiety this causes. Overall tone is upbeat.
This is impossible. Noted scientist Rachel Madow says the hydroxychloroquine-azithromycin combo doesn't work at all, and the President needs to be shut up by the press to keep him from spreading hopeful lies like this. See, even the Great Andrew Cuomo fell for the Trump Lies!
At some point, people are going to start getting angry with the panic mongers.
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MAKING MEDICAL FACE MASKS TO HELP WITH THE SHORTAGE (https://www.courierpress.com/story/news/2020/03/18/coronavirus-deaconess-ask-public-provide-medical-face-masks/2865273001/?fbclid=IwAR0FS-ZV0yGmL8dXrcp0oDE05KbDkwK_tKgBZ8Nyi0v3mUOAq9Eer6Lixlo)
There is a serious shortage of medical face masks for our hospital staffs across the country.
Those who can sew can help mitigate the shortage as explained on this link.
It's something practical that can be done to help keep our nurses and doctors safe in this medical emergency.
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You know who else I wonder about whom could have trouble per occupations? I wonder if sanitary pick up (trashmen) and plumbers and those working in the sewers and such could have problems?? To me, it seems so but that's just speculation. Some backed up toilets/piping might have been much less dangerous a few years ago than, say it were to happen this year.
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You know who else I wonder about whom could have trouble per occupations? I wonder if sanitary pick up (trashmen) and plumbers and those working in the sewers and such could have problems?? To me, it seems so but that's just speculation. Some backed up toilets/piping might have been much less dangerous a few years ago than, say it were to happen this year.
I watched our garbage man (excuse me, "sanitary engineer" :laugh:) pick up our trash this past week, and he didn't even have gloves on!
You make a good point that these folks are in potential danger.
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Evidence over hysteria — COVID-19
(https://medium.com/six-four-six-nine/evidence-over-hysteria-covid-19-1b767def5894)
The above linked article is FULL of very useful information for those who are choosing to use their heads.
Good one, this writer knows more than Trump, Cotton, Bibi Netanyahu and the leaders of most countries in the world shutting things down.
Tawian? Singapore? Why are these countries combating the virus successfully? They aren't just sitting back and doing nothing.
Also, like that Stanford prof, if one is tossing around insults, one can easily opine some of this is disinfo beneficial to the Chicoms:
Rep. Paul Gosar, DDS
@RepGosar
Communist China literally thanking Hillary Clinton for her support... (https://twitter.com/RepGosar/status/1241187475957088256)
MAKING MEDICAL FACE MASKS TO HELP WITH THE SHORTAGE (https://www.courierpress.com/story/news/2020/03/18/coronavirus-deaconess-ask-public-provide-medical-face-masks/2865273001/?fbclid=IwAR0FS-ZV0yGmL8dXrcp0oDE05KbDkwK_tKgBZ8Nyi0v3mUOAq9Eer6Lixlo)
There is a serious shortage of medical face masks for our hospital staffs across the country.
Those who can sew can help mitigate the shortage as explained on this link.
It's something practical that can be done to help keep our nurses and doctors safe in this medical emergency.
Looks like a good video to post in the new Covid19 or Coronavirus videos thread.
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tBg0Os5FWQ#)
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NYC sees 3,254 New COVID-19 Cases; NJ Awaits ‘Major Announcement’ from Murphy
19 cases rise to 7,530–1,300 higher than Cuomo announced an hour ago with 45 deaths
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/coronavirus/tri-state-enacts-new-measures-to-slow-covid-19-nj-awaits-major-announcement-from-murphy/2337410/ (https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/coronavirus/tri-state-enacts-new-measures-to-slow-covid-19-nj-awaits-major-announcement-from-murphy/2337410/)
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Good one, this writer knows more than Trump, Cotton, Bibi Netanyahu and the leaders of most countries in the world shutting things down.
Tawian? Singapore? Why are these countries combating the virus successfully? They aren't just sitting back and doing nothing.
Also, like that Stanford prof, if one is tossing around insults, one can easily opine some of this is disinfo beneficial to the Chicoms:
Good grief Tom, did you read the essay?
Chinese media is hyping the problem over here in an effort to make themselves look efficient and us inept. It is not in their interests to play down the issue here.
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Here's a repost of the graphic Joe posted in #2816 above.
For some reason, it wouldn't display in Safari (it was a .png), so I converted it to a jpg file:
(https://i.postimg.cc/1z6MGrbW/viral-factors.jpg)
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That was very considerate @Fishrrman Thank You
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Good grief Tom, did you read the essay?
Chinese media is hyping the problem over here in an effort to make themselves look efficient and us inept. It is not in their interests to play down the issue here.
Chinese disinformation, depending on what side it falls on, makes China look good
Secondly, my remark also is in regards to the member's statement about people using their heads. If people are tossing out insults and slinging mud, that can go around.
The article also discusses that Stanford Professor, John Ionnidis. We've already been through that and Stanford's connections to China.
From the article:
9. Children and Teens aren’t at risk
Okay, maybe the article has a special context to this statement, so maybe I'm taking it wrong but what we do know:
Jennifer Zeng 曾錚
@jenniferatntd
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A rare case in #SouthKorea. 17 y/o boy tested negative for #CCPVirus #COVID19 7 times (out of 8 tests) died 6 days after showing symptoms. He could be the first minor who died of #coronavirus in the country.
韩国罕è§ç—…例:8次检查7次阴性 ç”·å©å‘ç—…6天åŽåŽ»ä¸–
https://twitter.com/jenniferatntd
Yes, there is a bit of a context to what the article says, it largely qualifies the statement, sure, children and teens still may require some hospitalization. I still don't think we should just talk in absolute terms "teens aren't at risk" if a fair number of them do suffer sickness still.
From the article at Medium:
A World Health Organization report on China concluded that cases of Covid-19 in children were “relatively rare and mild.†Among cases in people under age 19, only 2.5% developed severe disease while 0.2% developed critical disease.
Yeah, okay, not many of them suffer seriously but still, this is quite different than saying they are not at risk.
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With churches closing, US priest offers drive-thru confessions
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/with-churches-closing-us-priest-offers-drive-thru-confessions/ar-BB11uuK9?ocid=msedgntp (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/with-churches-closing-us-priest-offers-drive-thru-confessions/ar-BB11uuK9?ocid=msedgntp)
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Chinese disinformation, depending on what side it falls on, makes China look good
Secondly, my remark also is in regards to the member's statement about people using their heads. If people are tossing out insults and slinging mud, that can go around.
The article also discusses that Stanford Professor, John Ionnidis. We've already been through that and Stanford's connections to China.
From the article:
Okay, maybe the article has a special context to this statement, so maybe I'm taking it wrong but what we do know:
Yes, there is a bit of a context to what the article says, it largely qualifies the statement, sure, children and teens still may require some hospitalization. I still don't think we should just talk in absolute terms "teens aren't at risk" if a fair number of them do suffer sickness still.
From the article at Medium:
Yeah, okay, not many of them suffer seriously but still, this is quite different than saying they are not at risk.
There was alot more to the article than that, Tom.
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This is impossible. Noted scientist Rachel Madow Madcow says the hydroxychloroquine-azithromycin combo doesn't work at all, and the President needs to be shut up by the press to keep him from spreading hopeful lies like this. See, even the Great Andrew Cuomo fell for the Trump Lies!
At some point, people are going to start getting angry with the panic mongers.
Fixed it for you....
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You know what hasn't made it's way into our media? It be left, right, center US media? There has been some chatter and indeed a report presented in this report, that the Coronavirus can cause infertility.
Do we really need to explore all of the age groups AT THIS TIME AT LEAST, to see if there is some risk of men at least becoming infertile??
NOT PEER REVIEWED:
ACE2 Expression in Kidney and Testis May Cause Kidney and Testis Damage
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.02.12.20022418v1.full.pdf (https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.02.12.20022418v1.full.pdf)
Check this out:
Latest coronavirus research: Coronavirus Will Render Most Male Patients Infertile | News
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IafixZhDhiw&feature=emb_logo#)
Okay, looks like the same Nanjing lab... that said, these are real red flags to me to just minimize the potential damage.
What if we found out, there really is a big danger with infertility when it hits men? Do we just discount this totally??
BTW also, the illness itself is a big man-killer vs. killing females though I am sure that happens.
Some chatter also says, that the study in that it could affect infertility might mean, it's killing the elderly (to 15% at some rates in age groups) and some other males become infertile. Does this sound a bit like population control??
As they say, we do NOT know everything about this, we probably do not know half of what there is to know about it.
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COVID-19 will eventually be an accelerator pushing the world more quickly into the future.
Every global calamity, every war, in every case led to hundreds of new inventions, innovations, and medical procedures.
This will be the same, although it may take years and many deaths before it all comes to fruition.
Adversity leads to progress. And we will likely lose our dependance on China for just about everything.
All the China cheerleaders in D.C. can no longer deny that they have put us in a very dangerous situation.
Once we get through this, we will be stronger and better off for it.
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BTW, 3-21-2020 White House Press Briefing Live
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wu3nhI7nKBs#)
BTW, I think President Trump's statement was effective and very leader-like, just my .02 cents. I did not catch the very beginning.
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Watching the press conference --- woah. Trump is coming across very weary and downright tired. Not good, but to be expected.
Prayers up for President Trump!!
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COVID-19 will eventually be an accelerator pushing the world more quickly into the future.
Every global calamity, every war, in every case led to hundreds of new inventions, innovations, and medical procedures.
This will be the same, although it may take years and many deaths before it all comes to fruition.
Adversity leads to progress. And we will likely lose our dependance on China for just about everything.
All the China cheerleaders in D.C. can no longer deny that they have put us in a very dangerous situation.
Once we get through this, we will be stronger and better off for it.
Well said, eloquently stated.
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Thanks @TomSea -- hoping everyone tunes in and please, please, pray for our President and this country!
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President saying that Pence has slept very little -- my guess is neither one of them have slept very much. 6 days into 15 day challenge to contain this virus.
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Maybe this illness is not Dr. Carson's forte (he's up there too) but, he must have a pretty good educated input on all of this.
Oh, it sounds like Dr. Ben Carson IS going to speak, it sounds like it. Alright!
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@TomSea I appreciate your keeping this thread fresh.
:thumbsup:
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Watching the press conference --- woah. Trump is coming across very weary and downright tired. Not good, but to be expected.
Prayers up for President Trump!!
IMO only, but Trump's initial instincts about this outbreak were correct. He's reading from a script now, and his job will be to talk the nation off the ledge without leaving himself open to criticism for being callous over the next 9 days.
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Watching the press conference --- woah. Trump is coming across very weary and downright tired. Not good, but to be expected.
I think he could let someone else handle a few of these or, even better, not make all of them "press conference" events. Just brief the public on the latest developments, and end it.
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I saw this on Twitter. This is very good for putting this virus into perspective.
Good article. It appears the virus doesn't like humidity and heat. So I suppose global warming will kill it...who would have thought that it was a good thing...lol. We are supposed to hit close to 90 mid-week...bring on the heat!
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I looked up this morning whether or not you can develop an immunity to it.
According to the CDC once you are exposed and recover, you are immune, like most diseases.
The stealth part of the virus is we don't know how many of us may have been lightly exposed and have already overcome it.
That is to say that even if you are exposed it is not automatic that you will develop full blown symptoms.
Everybody is different. But definitely stay safe and be careful.
And stay away from paper money if you can and/or wash hands after. It may be contaminated.
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The latest numbers on the Johns Hopkins site:
New York, US
Confirmed: 8,403
Deaths: 46
Recovered: 0
Active: 8,357
Compare that with the second worst state:
Washington, US
Confirmed: 1,524
Deaths: 83
Recovered: 0
Active: 1,441
FIVE times more deaths in NY (most in NYC) than the second worst state.
@libertybele
@musiclady
Two things here. First, New York is the second worst State in deaths. Secondly, there are 19 documented recoveries in Washington State, not zero.
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Evidence over hysteria — COVID-19
(https://medium.com/six-four-six-nine/evidence-over-hysteria-covid-19-1b767def5894)
The above linked article is FULL of very useful information for those who are choosing to use their heads.
Thank you, @Bigun
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Okay, maybe the article has a special context to this statement, so maybe I'm taking it wrong but what we do know:
Jennifer Zeng 曾錚
@jenniferatntd
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A rare case in #SouthKorea. 17 y/o boy tested negative for #CCPVirus #COVID19 7 times (out of 8 tests) died 6 days after showing symptoms. He could be the first minor who died of #coronavirus in the country.
韩国罕è§ç—…例:8次检查7次阴性 ç”·å©å‘ç—…6天åŽåŽ»ä¸–
https://twitter.com/jenniferatntd
That is not at all what that twitter feed says.
STOP IT ! YOU DON'T KNOW JACK ! STOP POSTING LINKS WITHOUT VETTING THEM FIRST ! YOUR TRACK RECORD ON THIS THREAD SUCKS BIGTIME !
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@musiclady
Two things here. First, New York is the second worst State in deaths. Secondly, there are 19 documented recoveries in Washington State, not zero.
Thank you for the correction, @Hoodat. I accidentally said "deaths" instead of "cases" and went back to my post to correct it.
New York has five times more cases than the second worst state, Washington.
That was my only source for recoveries, so I accept your correction of the number of recoveries in Washington.
The point, however, remains the same.
New York is a hot mess with the number of cases they have there relative to everywhere else in the country.
The liberal "leadership" is to blame, IMO. They did not take the closings seriously and were way behind the curve in slowing down the spread of this disease.
The absence of leadership is even more of a problem when so many people are together in a geographically small space.
DiBlasio and Cuomo should be ashamed of themselves. I think they probably put politics over the safety of their people and did nothing because Trump and the Republicans in leadership were making decisions that were wise and showed concern for the health of US citizens.
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Latest numbers in New York:
Confirmed cases: 10,356
Deaths: 56
In Washington:
Confirmed cases: 1,524
Deaths: 83
Almost 7 times more cases in New York than the second worst state, Washington.
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Latest numbers in New York:
Confirmed cases: 10,356
Deaths: 56
In Washington:
Confirmed cases: 1,524
Deaths: 83
Almost 7 times more cases in New York than the second worst state, Washington.
A caveat there: New York is doing far more testing. They're using hospitalizations as a more relevant metric right now.
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Thank you for the correction, @Hoodat. I accidentally said "deaths" instead of "cases" and went back to my post to correct it.
New York has five times more cases than the second worst state, Washington.
That was my only source for recoveries, so I accept your correction of the number of recoveries in Washington.
The point, however, remains the same.
New York is a hot mess with the number of cases they have there relative to everywhere else in the country.
The liberal "leadership" is to blame, IMO. They did not take the closings seriously and were way behind the curve in slowing down the spread of this disease.
The absence of leadership is even more of a problem when so many people are together in a geographically small space.
DiBlasio and Cuomo should be ashamed of themselves. I think they probably put politics over the safety of their people and did nothing because Trump and the Republicans in leadership were making decisions that were wise and showed concern for the health of US citizens.
Democrats have a long, sordid history of inactivity in the face of crises, and then blaming Republicans who actually did do things for everything that goes wrong. Katrina is just one example, the Rats are manufacturing new ones.
It should be expected that population centers are the canaries in the coal mines for epidemics. That they are led by DemocRats is but one reason, jamming people into close proximity in buildings and mass transit is another. One could say, "The Rats are courting rats" (the real kind).
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That is not at all what that twitter feed says.
STOP IT ! YOU DON'T KNOW JACK ! STOP POSTING LINKS WITHOUT VETTING THEM FIRST ! YOUR TRACK RECORD ON THIS THREAD SUCKS BIGTIME !
Mr. Mudslinger, Who cares what you say.
More ad homs, you don't like tweets, get all tweets removed from this forum, she's published in Epoch Times, has a good conservative name.
https://www.theepochtimes.com/author-jennifer-zeng (https://www.theepochtimes.com/author-jennifer-zeng)
Your track record is to go after people and ignore great false hoods like Traffic Deaths and Jaywalkers having higher deaths per day,
Your track record was calling this website posted by others as "left wing". That's your track record.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/)
Debunk it instead of resorting to attacking all the time.
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Democrats have a long, sordid history of inactivity in the face of crises, and then blaming Republicans who actually did do things for everything that goes wrong. Katrina is just one example, the Rats are manufacturing new ones.
It should be expected that population centers are the canaries in the coal mines for epidemics. That they are led by DemocRats is but one reason, jamming people into close proximity in buildings and mass transit is another. One could say, "The Rats are courting rats" (the real kind).
SO true!
btw, Trump is doing well in the presser, defending his actions in saving lives.
SAVING LIVES!
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That is not at all what that twitter feed says.
STOP IT ! YOU DON'T KNOW JACK ! STOP POSTING LINKS WITHOUT VETTING THEM FIRST ! YOUR TRACK RECORD ON THIS THREAD SUCKS BIGTIME !
Come on guys....y'all are better than this.
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COVID-19 will eventually be an accelerator pushing the world more quickly into the future.
Every global calamity, every war, in every case led to hundreds of new inventions, innovations, and medical procedures.
This will be the same, although it may take years and many deaths before it all comes to fruition.
Adversity leads to progress. And we will likely lose our dependance on China for just about everything.
All the China cheerleaders in D.C. can no longer deny that they have put us in a very dangerous situation.
Once we get through this, we will be stronger and better off for it.
GREAT post!!
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Settle down and stop engaging in personal attacks. Stay on topic, please.
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Settle down and stop engaging in personal attacks. Stay on topic, please.
Galadriel has balls?
Sure wasn't those lightly maroon leggings.
Must have been in that cheesy smile.
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Mr. Mudslinger, Who cares what you say.
More ad homs, you don't like tweets, get all tweets removed from this forum, she's published in Epoch Times, has a good conservative name.
https://www.theepochtimes.com/author-jennifer-zeng (https://www.theepochtimes.com/author-jennifer-zeng)
Your track record is to go after people and ignore great false hoods like Traffic Deaths and Jaywalkers having higher deaths per day,
Your track record was calling this website posted by others as "left wing". That's your track record.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/)
Debunk it instead of resorting to attacking all the time.
FWIW, here is the link to her tweet and a link to the article. Look like a Chineese on-line news source so can't vouch for accuracy and is in Chineese but you can use a translator.
https://twitter.com/jenniferatntd/status/1240780076385517571 (https://twitter.com/jenniferatntd/status/1240780076385517571)
https://news.sina.com.cn/o/2020-03-19/doc-iimxxsth0305852.shtml (https://news.sina.com.cn/o/2020-03-19/doc-iimxxsth0305852.shtml)
Here is another link - UPI
https://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2020/03/18/South-Korea-teen-dies-after-testing-negative-for-COVID-19/7711584456914/ (https://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2020/03/18/South-Korea-teen-dies-after-testing-negative-for-COVID-19/7711584456914/)
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Deeeaath comes sweeping through the hallways
In the winds of change
We must keep them away
Or count the cost in sorrow
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Galadriel has balls?
Sure wasn't those lightly maroon leggings.
Must have been in that cheesy smile.
(https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/10cdc9c69f9da964cc7e169dddd1628411e2be6227dcef38c1094f838d6653e3.jpg)
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Settle down and stop engaging in personal attacks. Stay on topic, please.
I thought it over.
If these people are attacking each other it confirms at least two and maybe three of the Fermi Paradoxes.
If they are going after the [redacted].
CCP I am ALL in.
red action intended septooseptic ogre and rout
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That is such bullshit. My son's german shepherd is a supercarrier. He took her to the park. That bitch in heat infected EVERYTHING within 2000 people in 5.2 seconds.
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http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,388835.msg2174168.html#msg2174168 (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,388835.msg2174168.html#msg2174168)
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Thank you, @Bigun
I briefly looked at the information -- the chart indicated in flattening the curve looks exactly like the chart that the Trump team is using; Dr. Fauci. So there is no hysteria in that information; that is what they are working towards. As of today, we are in day 6 of trying to contain this -- we had/have a 15 day window. Not so sure why anyone would think that trying to contain this virus equals hysteria. It doesn't. The report here that children aren't symptomatic is now being proven false. There are reports of children preschool age and younger are more at risk.
There is a drastic difference of being concerned and taking preventive measures to contain this virus which is being implemented by Trump and his team, and implementing panic and misinformation which the media has done.
People are concerned and rightfully so. The government is taking action to try and prevent another Italy from happening and rightfully so.
Those who are complacent and ignoring what is going on are doing just as much of a disservice to those trying to invoke panic and sensationalize.
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SO true!
btw, Trump is doing well in the presser, defending his actions in saving lives.
SAVING LIVES!
Yes ... the press is trying to invalidate his efforts and the efforts of his team of experts and he shuts them down every time. I still think he ought to give televised daily briefings without questions from the press. They are of little use.
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This is indeed a corona virus, but it is not SARS, it is new.
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This is indeed a corona virus, but it is not SARS, it is new.
It is a slightly mutated variant of the SARS virus.
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All the Drugs Proving Anecdotally Effective Against COVID-19, and the Companies That Make Them
These drugs could be key to staving off COVID-19 until a vaccine is developed.
Billy Duberstein
(TMFStoneOak)
Mar 21, 2020 at 11:45AM
With no antibodies built up in the population, no known cure, and no existing vaccine against COVID-19, some may fear that there's no hope for those suffering with the disease now or in the future. However, there have actually been green shoots of positive results from several existing anti-viral and anti-inflammatory drugs already on the market, albeit on an anecdotal basis.
While no official U.S. trials have been completed and data is scarce, anecdotal successes with these drugs are giving people hope, and the government is now loosening red tape to get them where needed as fast as possible. Here are all the treatments that have been effective against COVID-19 in certain cases, and the companies that make them.
more
https://www.fool.com/investing/2020/03/21/all-the-drugs-proving-anecdotally-effective-agains.aspx (https://www.fool.com/investing/2020/03/21/all-the-drugs-proving-anecdotally-effective-agains.aspx)
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It is a slightly mutated variant of the SARS virus.
Yep. The virus's actual name is SARS-CoV-2. COVID-19 was to avoid the word SARS in the media as I understand it.
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All the Drugs Proving Anecdotally Effective Against COVID-19, and the Companies That Make Them
These drugs could be key to staving off COVID-19 until a vaccine is developed.
Billy Duberstein
(TMFStoneOak)
Mar 21, 2020 at 11:45AM
With no antibodies built up in the population, no known cure, and no existing vaccine against COVID-19, some may fear that there's no hope for those suffering with the disease now or in the future. However, there have actually been green shoots of positive results from several existing anti-viral and anti-inflammatory drugs already on the market, albeit on an anecdotal basis.
While no official U.S. trials have been completed and data is scarce, anecdotal successes with these drugs are giving people hope, and the government is now loosening red tape to get them where needed as fast as possible. Here are all the treatments that have been effective against COVID-19 in certain cases, and the companies that make them.
more
https://www.fool.com/investing/2020/03/21/all-the-drugs-proving-anecdotally-effective-agains.aspx (https://www.fool.com/investing/2020/03/21/all-the-drugs-proving-anecdotally-effective-agains.aspx)
These are hopeful, but those for compassionate care use -- are those being used when death's door is knocking and there is no other options?
So .... I am in no way a pharmacist or chemist -- but why not try a combination drug of those listed?? Some help to prevent replication, some help to prevent the body's immune system from attacking itself.
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This is indeed a corona virus, but it is not SARS, it is new.
As stated above this virus is actually called SARS-CoV-2. It is a variant of SARS.
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It is a slightly mutated variant of the SARS virus.
IT IS SARS-CoV-2
COrona VIrus Disease-19
IT is HERE. It will always be HERE. Lassa fever has already killed a like amount of people this year. Ebola hasn't ever gone away. It is still killing in Black Africa. Nobody gves a shit. How many opoids deaths happened THIS week. Only one of the few junkies I cared about.
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I am going to shut up and go away.
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"Why won’t the WHO call the coronavirus by its name, SARS-CoV-2?"
https://qz.com/1820422/coronavirus-why-wont-who-use-the-name-sars-cov-2/
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IT IS SARS-CoV-2
COrona VIrus Disease-19
IT is HERE. It will always be HERE. Lassa fever has already killed a like amount of people this year. Ebola hasn't ever gone away. It is still killing in Black Africa. Nobody gves a shit. How many opoids deaths happened THIS week. Only one of the few junkies I cared about.
So it was Opioids, Fred? I'm sorry.... 8888crybaby
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I am going to shut up and go away.
Don't do that, friend. I'll miss you.
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I am going to shut up and go away.
I'll keep a chair for you.
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And all of you anti vaxxers better not even try and get on this bus. I don't care how many dead bodies you throw under it.
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It is a slightly mutated variant of the SARS virus.
Yes, they are similar, but not the same.
https://loinc.org/sars-coronavirus-2/
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IT IS SARS-CoV-2
COrona VIrus Disease-19
IT is HERE. It will always be HERE. Lassa fever has already killed a like amount of people this year. Ebola hasn't ever gone away. It is still killing in Black Africa. Nobody gves a shit. How many opoids deaths happened THIS week. Only one of the few junkies I cared about.
Sorry for your loss.
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Yes, they are similar, but not the same.
https://loinc.org/sars-coronavirus-2/
Quibbele
Kenny Rogers is dead. Fold them.
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Quibbele
Kenny Rogers is dead. Fold them.
He knew when....
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Nobody gves a shit. How many opoids deaths happened THIS week. Only one of the few junkies I cared about.
Heroin sucks. (And so do all its relatives.)
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He knew when....
Looks like I missed the brawl again. Oh well..... 888mouth
This makes me feel old (Rogers passing). I remember when we used to walk to Pizza Hut on Westheimer and Hillcroft (lived in apartments behind it) to see Rogers perform live. Ah... the good ole days.
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Jeremy Art @cspanJeremy
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"Sorry for your loss." @VP Pence says to @KellyO as he departs White House press briefing room, referring to NBC technician Larry Edgeworth, who died this week of #Covid_19.
very classy
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Quibbele
Kenny Rogers is dead. Fold them.
0380000
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I briefly looked at the information -- the chart indicated in flattening the curve looks exactly like the chart that the Trump team is using; Dr. Fauci. So there is no hysteria in that information; that is what they are working towards. As of today, we are in day 6 of trying to contain this -- we had/have a 15 day window. Not so sure why anyone would think that trying to contain this virus equals hysteria. It doesn't. The report here that children aren't symptomatic is now being proven false. There are reports of children preschool age and younger are more at risk.
There is a drastic difference of being concerned and taking preventive measures to contain this virus which is being implemented by Trump and his team, and implementing panic and misinformation which the media has done.
People are concerned and rightfully so. The government is taking action to try and prevent another Italy from happening and rightfully so.
Those who are complacent and ignoring what is going on are doing just as much of a disservice to those trying to invoke panic and sensationalize.
Thank you for that, @libertybele
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I am going to shut up and go away.
I need to shut up and go to work...
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Another brief Ohio update (Gov. DeWine's daily briefings are excellent, if anyone wants a calm, rational, but realistic assessment of what's going on here):
There are 247 confirmed cases in Ohio, but Dr. Acton explained that what we have is a 'snapshot of the past' and not an actuality of how many are present. (There are far more cases than the snapshot indicates).
Ohio has a sister city in Wuhan Province so was early in contagion. But it has been slow to get the reagents necessary for testing. (Ohio hospitals are working to create their own testing, but there is a shortage of swabs).
So, they are only using the tests for the most severe symptoms.
Dr. Acton said that 80% of those who get the virus will recover at home, and that the treatment is the same regardless of whether or not the test has been given.
She urged being in contact with your healthcare provider, STAYING AT HOME, and making sure that if your symptoms increase you let them know.
If everyone is serious, and smart, we can minimize the severity of this epidemic.
Be serious. Be smart. Stay home. Stay safe.
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These are hopeful, but those for compassionate care use -- are those being used when death's door is knocking and there is no other options?
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That was the situation with the woman in UC Davis Medical Center whose life apparently was saved by Remdesivir. BTW, US MSM still have zero coverage of this story.
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Another brief Ohio update (Gov. DeWine's daily briefings are excellent, if anyone wants a calm, rational, but realistic assessment of what's going on here):
There are 247 confirmed cases in Ohio, but Dr. Acton explained that what we have is a 'snapshot of the past' and not an actuality of how many are present. (There are far more cases than the snapshot indicates).
Ohio has a sister city in Wuhan Province so was early in contagion. But it has been slow to get the reagents necessary for testing. (Ohio hospitals are working to create their own testing, but there is a shortage of swabs).
So, they are only using the tests for the most severe symptoms.
Dr. Acton said that 80% of those who get the virus will recover at home, and that the treatment is the same regardless of whether or not the test has been given.
She urged being in contact with your healthcare provider, STAYING AT HOME, and making sure that if your symptoms increase you let them know.
If everyone is serious, and smart, we can minimize the severity of this epidemic.
Be serious. Be smart. Stay home. Stay safe.
That's the size of it. "Don't Panic" and the rest will sort out. The panicking being promoted by the left side of the political spectrum is causing far mor damage to the economy than the virus itself.
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Sorry for your loss.
IT is something else.
Do you have kids?
Grandkids?
IF you do then do not attack any other member in any way on this thread.
None of you.
Because whatever this is isn't worse than what we already have.
We can't fix what has been broken for years. Fix the problem before the problem arrives.
It is meaningless bullshit. There are over two dozen"x' "Gen" "Millenial"s who have acess to my house. All races. All income groups.
You know why they come here? Sex, drugs and rock and roll.
If you ever offer harm to any one of these kids who ever come here I WILL KILL you. Our house is a designated safe zone by the local PD. We never lock our doors. There are a couple of restrictions. My bedroom is off limits.
We aren't rich. We are trailer house trash. uh huh. The ones that have that see what we try to do. Maybe they be come human one day.
Does anyone want any green jello cups? When they closed the schools early on Monday, sorta two days short of spring break we got a delivery of some green jello lunch cups. Been trying to eat them. My wife. My kids.Everyody's kids, the dogs... Nevermind. It was between 80-100, I think we are down to a dozen.
yo
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@Bigun
@libertybele
@jmyrlefuller
This is indeed a corona virus, but it is not SARS, it is new.
It is a slightly mutated variant of the SARS virus.
There are many strains of coronaviruses just as there are many strains of influenza.
Some coronaviruses have been known to be circulating in humans since first identified as a distinct family of viruses in the 1960’s. Some of these coronaviruses are responsible for common colds along with rhinoviruses and other viruses – causing uncomfortable but not serious illness in most cases. There is even a coronavirus that only infects cats, IIRC.
Coronaviruses are also very prevalent in bats just as influenza viruses are prevalent in birds and in pigs or in pigs as an intermediary host before jumping to humans. It is when a disease first makes this zoonotic jump into humans and there is human to human transmission that makes it “novelâ€, meaning new and for which there is typically no prior human exposure or immunity. (With the H1N1 “Spanish†flu one of the reasons thought why it didn’t seem to impact older people was likely a similar strain of H1N1 influenza circulated in the 1870’s – that’s not to say however, that all older people were immune or that older people didn’t die).
When SARS first broke out in 2003 it was immediately apparent that while a coronavirus, this wasn’t a common cold or analogous to a flu as it had a near 10% fatality rate, but thankfully wasn’t highly contagious and was quickly contained. Scientific research showed that SARS (2003) originated in bats, jumped to civet cats and then to humans.
Similarly, MERS (Middle East Respiratory Syndrome) with its 35% mortality rate is believed to have jumped from bats to camels and then to humans.
SARS stands for Sudden Acute Respiratory Syndrome but that doesn’t mean SARS-CoV-2 (or COVID-19) is a “mutation†of the 2003 SARS. COVID-19 is believed to have originated in bats and jumped to pangolins before jumping to humans although that has not been definitely determined.
SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19) simply means it is the 2nd coronavirus transmittable human to human that causes severe respiratory issues in humans, not that it is a mutation of SARS-CoV-1.
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IT is something else.
Do you have kids?
Grandkids?
IF you do the do not attack any other member in any way on this thread.
None of you.
Because whatever this is isn't worse than what we already have.
We can't fix what has been broken for years. Fix the problem before the problem arrives.
It is meaningless bullshit. There are over two dozen"x' "Gen" "Millenial"s who have acess to my house. All races. All income groups.
You know why they come here? Sex, drugs and rock and roll.
If you ever offer harm to any one of these kids who ever come here I WILL KILL you. Our house is a designated safe zone by the local PD. We never lock our doors. There are a couple of restrictions. My bedroom is off limits.
We aren't rich. We are trailer house trash. uh huh. The ones that have that see what we try to do. Maybe they be come humn one day.
Does anyone want any green jello cups? When they closed the schools early on Monday, sorta two days short of spring break we got a delivery of some green jello lunch cups. Been trying to eat them. My wife. My kids.Everyody's kids, the dogs... Nevermind. It was between 80-100, I think we are down to a dozen.
yo
The food banks here are overflowing with really good stuff the Casino Resorts all had in inventory when they got shut down by the Governor of Nevada last week. There is more than green jello in there.
Take a rest, Fred. You've earned it! We'll watch the store for you.
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The food banks here are overflowing with really good stuff the Casino Resorts all had in inventory when they got shut down by the Governor of Nevada last week. There is more than green jello in there.
Take a rest, Fred. You've earned it! We'll watch the store for you.
My kids brought jello cups home from college, too. I had no idea the kids enjoyed them so much and they've grown on me, as well.
Get a bit dizzy when I eat too many though.
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@Bigun
@libertybele
@jmyrlefuller
There are many strains of coronaviruses just as there are many strains of influenza.
Some coronaviruses have been known to be circulating in humans since first identified as a distinct family of viruses in the 1960’s. Some of these coronaviruses are responsible for common colds along with rhinoviruses and other viruses – causing uncomfortable but not serious illness in most cases. There is even a coronavirus that only infects cats, IIRC.
Coronaviruses are also very prevalent in bats just as influenza viruses are prevalent in birds and in pigs or in pigs as an intermediary host before jumping to humans. It is when a disease first makes this zoonotic jump into humans and there is human to human transmission that makes it “novelâ€, meaning new and for which there is typically no prior human exposure or immunity. (With the H1N1 “Spanish†flu one of the reasons thought why it didn’t seem to impact older people was likely a similar strain of H1N1 influenza circulated in the 1870’s – that’s not to say however, that all older people were immune or that older people didn’t die).
When SARS first broke out in 2003 it was immediately apparent that while a coronavirus, this wasn’t a common cold or analogous to a flu as it had a near 10% fatality rate, but thankfully wasn’t highly contagious and was quickly contained. Scientific research showed that SARS (2003) originated in bats, jumped to civet cats and then to humans.
Similarly, MERS (Middle East Respiratory Syndrome) with its 35% mortality rate is believed to have jumped from bats to camels and then to humans.
SARS stands for Sudden Acute Respiratory Syndrome but that doesn’t mean SARS-CoV-2 (or COVID-19) is a “mutation†of the 2003 SARS. COVID-19 is believed to have originated in bats and jumped to pangolins before jumping to humans although that has not been definitely determined.
SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19) simply means it is the 2nd coronavirus transmittable human to human that causes severe respiratory issues in humans, not that it is a mutation of SARS-CoV-1.
Thank you for the clarification.
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IT is something else.
Do you have kids?
Grandkids?
IF you do then do not attack any other member in any way on this thread.
None of you.
Because whatever this is isn't worse than what we already have.
We can't fix what has been broken for years. Fix the problem before the problem arrives.
It is meaningless bullshit. There are over two dozen"x' "Gen" "Millenial"s who have acess to my house. All races. All income groups.
You know why they come here? Sex, drugs and rock and roll.
If you ever offer harm to any one of these kids who ever come here I WILL KILL you. Our house is a designated safe zone by the local PD. We never lock our doors. There are a couple of restrictions. My bedroom is off limits.
We aren't rich. We are trailer house trash. uh huh. The ones that have that see what we try to do. Maybe they be come human one day.
Does anyone want any green jello cups? When they closed the schools early on Monday, sorta two days short of spring break we got a delivery of some green jello lunch cups. Been trying to eat them. My wife. My kids.Everyody's kids, the dogs... Nevermind. It was between 80-100, I think we are down to a dozen.
yo
Wasn't trying to attack or imply anything and I was very, very sincere in my response to you about your comment about losing someone you cared about to opioid addiction...it hits close to home.
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Jeremy Art @cspanJeremy
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"Sorry for your loss." @VP Pence says to @KellyO as he departs White House press briefing room, referring to NBC technician Larry Edgeworth, who died this week of #Covid_19.
very classy
Far better than Trump arguing with that NBC reporter. What the H was that about?
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Far better than Trump arguing with that NBC reporter. What the H was that about?
If you're referring to yesterday, you might want to rewatch the presser. If it is who I think you are talking about, my take is that he was obviously attacking Trump and team and trying to discredit efforts and mentioned panic to those watching. Trump shut him down -- a question was asked of Pompeo and Pompeo told him he wasn't going to answer.
I've watched all the press conferences this week and every day some of the supposed journalists in my opinion are doing more harm than they are good. They aren't asking questions to report they are asking questions to try and discredit the efforts going on, some questions are accusatory as if Trump and team are lying.
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Far better than Trump arguing with that NBC reporter. What the H was that about?
One should watch that in context to understand, and not accept the press headlines at face value.
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One should watch that in context to understand, and not accept the press headlines at face value.
Still trying to find that part of the press conference without having to sit through all the drivel. But I will say this: Regardless of the context, Trump should have not gotten into a wizzing match with the reporter or anyone else. These press conferences are to inform the public, not start a brawl designed to impress supporters and/or boost Trump's re-election chances.Trump could have ignored the question or given some kind of answer instead of going off like that. Bitching is not leadership and that's what we all need right now.
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Still trying to find that part of the press conference without having to sit through all the drivel. But I will say this: Regardless of the context, Trump should have not gotten into a wizzing match with the reporter or anyone else. These press conferences are to inform the public, not start a brawl designed to impress supporters and/or boost Trump's re-election chances.Trump could have ignored the question or given some kind of answer instead of going off like that. Bitching is not leadership and that's what we all need right now.
This is especially true when there are so many predisposed to disliking Trump's mannerisms.
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Though never a fan of Trump's style, I watched a few of them this week and I can only imagine what a CF they would have become with such a hostile press had Trump NOT been there to 'Traffic Cop' the hell out of them. He's been GOOD, They've been EVIL
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Though never a fan of Trump's style, I watched a few of them this week and I can only imagine what a CF they would have become with such a hostile press had Trump NOT been there to 'Traffic Cop' the hell out of them. He's been GOOD, They've been EVIL
They seemed to be a bit more polite in the presser this morning. Hope it holds up.
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They seemed to be a bit more polite in the presser this morning. Hope it holds up.
Maybe they're figuring out it isn't all about them.
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This is impossible. Noted scientist Rachel Madow says the hydroxychloroquine-azithromycin combo doesn't work at all, and the President needs to be shut up by the press to keep him from spreading hopeful lies like this. See, even the Great Andrew Cuomo fell for the Trump Lies!
At some point, people are going to start getting angry with the panic mongers.
Start? That ship sailed a long time ago.
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You know who else I wonder about whom could have trouble per occupations? I wonder if sanitary pick up (trashmen) and plumbers and those working in the sewers and such could have problems?? To me, it seems so but that's just speculation. Some backed up toilets/piping might have been much less dangerous a few years ago than, say it were to happen this year.
You are also talking about a group whose exposure to various and sundry pathogens over the years has developed some of the most individually robust immune systems on the planet. Otherwise, they'd be sick so often they wouldn't be able to keep their jobs.
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You are also talking about a group whose exposure to various and sundry pathogens over the years has developed some of the most individually robust immune systems on the planet. Otherwise, they'd be sick so often they wouldn't be able to keep their jobs.
That's right.
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Still trying to find that part of the press conference without having to sit through all the drivel. But I will say this: Regardless of the context, Trump should have not gotten into a wizzing match with the reporter or anyone else. These press conferences are to inform the public, not start a brawl designed to impress supporters and/or boost Trump's re-election chances.Trump could have ignored the question or given some kind of answer instead of going off like that. Bitching is not leadership and that's what we all need right now.
I agree. Trump should just hire a couple of bouncers, and when the leftist ahole reporters misbehave, he should have them "escorted" the hell out. That's what I would have done. :smokin:
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I just had to share that, corbe. We all needed a good laugh!
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I hope not. Definitely sitting more than usual. Getting my walks in though. We're not under lockdown, but I fit into the high risk category so staying at home for the most part.
Maybe I should print the pic -- it will remind me to get up and move more!
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That second photo is going to be me, I think. happy77
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I was looking for that meme.Planning on a teiaxan ttoo
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@musiclady
Two things here. First, New York is the second worst State in deaths. Secondly, there are 19 documented recoveries in Washington State, not zero.
You are talking to a hysterical person who believes no one is hysterical.
Don't waste the time.
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That's the size of it. "Don't Panic" and the rest will sort out. The panicking being promoted by the left side of the political spectrum is causing far mor damage to the economy than the virus itself.
That bears repeating.
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You are talking to a hysterical person who believes no one is hysterical.
Don't waste the time.
hys·ter·i·cal
/həˈsterək(ə)l/
adjective
1. deriving from or affected by uncontrolled extreme emotion.
You contradict yourself.
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hys·ter·i·cal
/həˈsterək(ə)l/
adjective
1. deriving from or affected by uncontrolled extreme emotion.
I don't see hysterical people here. We're a good group of people who think for themselves. There is something bad in progress, we all know it, don't deny it, and we are not panicking.
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In fact, some of us are still posting jokes about it, unfortunetly to the dismay of others. Each Briefer handles adversity different, that's what makes us such a dynamic community.
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hys·ter·i·cal
/həˈsterək(ə)l/
adjective
1. deriving from or affected by uncontrolled extreme emotion.
You contradict yourself.
There are posters here who claim some are making this virus epidemic into nothing.
That is a lie and is replete in hysteria.
Go ahead and look it up.
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I don't see hysterical people here. We're a good group of people who think for themselves. There is something bad in progress, we all know it, don't deny it, and we are not panicking.
There is no hysteria here. None.
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You are talking to a hysterical person who believes no one is hysterical.
Don't waste the time.
Please stop the slander.
Please.
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I hope not. Definitely sitting more than usual. Getting my walks in though. We're not under lockdown, but I fit into the high risk category so staying at home for the most part.
Maybe I should print the pic -- it will remind me to get up and move more!
I think I'll put that on the fridge.... :whistle:
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Please stop the slander.
Please.
I second that. Nerves are frayed from the non-stop ocean of slime coming out of our TeeVees, so stop accusing people of being driven by panic. If they were, they would not be on this forum.
Remember, one person's "hype" is another person's "concern." Accusing worried people of hysteria adds nothing to the conversation and if the goal is to calm people down, that ain't cutting it.
I'm not gonna list names, y'all know who I'm talking to. Don't make us lock Tom's very important news feed.
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I second that. Nerves are frayed from the non-stop ocean of slime coming out of our TeeVees, so stop accusing people of being driven by panic. If they were, they would not be on this forum.
Remember, one person's "hype" is another person's "concern." Accusing worried people of hysteria adds nothing to the conversation and if the goal is to calm people down, that ain't cutting it.
I'm not gonna list names, y'all know who I'm talking to. Don't make us lock Tom's very important news feed.
Thank you.
The thing is, I am staying at home calm as I can be (other than grave concern that my d-i-l, a nurse, is on the front lines of battle), and have posted facts and information I am learning from calm, intelligent medical leaders.
I am taking this health threat seriously, and urging others to do the same.
And I do not want to be lied about any more. :shrug:
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With my usual Fuller's Rule for Life caveat "Never trust anything published in The Lancet"
Viral dynamics in mild and severe cases of COVID-19
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(20)30232-2/fulltext (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(20)30232-2/fulltext)
Short version: those who had more of the virus in their system had a worse outcome than those who only had a small amount of virus in their system, the latter of which also were able to shed the virus from their bodies more quickly.
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Thank you.
The thing is, I am staying at home calm as I can be (other than grave concern that my d-i-l, a nurse, is on the front lines of battle), and have posted facts and information I am learning from calm, intelligent medical leaders.
I am taking this health threat seriously, and urging others to do the same.
And I do not want to be lied about any more. :shrug:
That's where we are. We're fine, can afford everything we need to hunker down and have plenty of TP. I'm worried about the others. I mentioned somewhere we have a total population of about 35K, and 8K work across the river at the Nevada casinos and hotels. They were all thrown out of work a few days ago when the Governor of that state ordered all Casinos and Restaurants closed, which also closed the Hotels.
I don't want a damned thing from Uncle Sugar. Don't send me cash because I paid taxes in 2018, and don't throw $200 on my SS bennies like Pelosi's pushing. Help those other people first.
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Claim they're going shopping: Border officials allow hundreds of Mexican vehicles to cross despite Trump ban
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/claim-theyre-going-shopping-border-officials-allow-hundreds-of-mexican-vehicles-to-cross-despite-trump-ban (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/claim-theyre-going-shopping-border-officials-allow-hundreds-of-mexican-vehicles-to-cross-despite-trump-ban)
This is the deal, one can break these bans effectively by just claiming you are going shopping, it be in town, city or on the border.
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Claim they're going shopping: Border officials allow hundreds of Mexican vehicles to cross despite Trump ban
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/claim-theyre-going-shopping-border-officials-allow-hundreds-of-mexican-vehicles-to-cross-despite-trump-ban (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/claim-theyre-going-shopping-border-officials-allow-hundreds-of-mexican-vehicles-to-cross-despite-trump-ban)
This is the deal, one can break these bans effectively by just claiming you are going shopping, it be in town, city or on the border.
What kind of shopping? In my state the stores, other than grocery stores, are closed. There's no place to shop.
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That's where we are. We're fine, can afford everything we need to hunker down and have plenty of TP. I'm worried about the others. I mentioned somewhere we have a total population of about 35K, and 8K work across the river at the Nevada casinos and hotels. They were all thrown out of work a few days ago when the Governor of that state ordered all Casinos and Restaurants closed, which also closed the Hotels.
I don't want a damned thing from Uncle Sugar. Don't send me cash because I paid taxes in 2018, and don't throw $200 on my SS bennies like Pelosi's pushing. Help those other people first.
The idea of giving out checks is HORRIBLE.
In Ohio, they are working hard to help those out of work with accelerated unemployment checks and delays in utility payments, etc.
Giving checks to everyone regardless of circumstances is just a wretched idea!
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What kind of shopping? In my state the stores, other than grocery stores, are closed. There's no place to shop.
When I used to go to the border towns, most Mexicans I saw coming to the US were hitting the grocery stores.
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When I used to go to the border towns, most Mexicans I saw coming to the US were hitting the grocery stores.
OK. Then maybe they are going shopping.
Still need to be stopped at the border.
NOW.
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The idea of giving out checks is HORRIBLE.
In Ohio, they are working hard to help those out of work with accelerated unemployment checks and delays in utility payments, etc.
Giving checks to everyone regardless of circumstances is just a wretched idea!
The idea, as poorly thought out as it is, is to throw money all around in hopes that we'll spend money we otherwise would not, and that would have zero effect on the sectors that are hurting (especially if I'm not even allowed to do the things that would help).
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OK. Then maybe they are going shopping.
Still need to be stopped at the border.
NOW.
Agreed. We can't properly screen them to make sure they aren't walking in a dreaded disease.
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Please stop the slander.
Please.
It is not slander when someone lies.
And you do.
I repeat: stop saying people on this board believe there is nothing to this virus.
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It is not slander when someone lies.
And you do.
I repeat: stop saying people on this board believe there is nothing to this virus.
That's a misrepresentation what what's being posted, and I'd appreciate it a lot of we could not call other good Members liars. I don't want to have to start editing posts, it pisses everybody off.
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The idea of giving out checks is HORRIBLE.
In Ohio, they are working hard to help those out of work with accelerated unemployment checks and delays in utility payments, etc.
Giving checks to everyone regardless of circumstances is just a wretched idea!
Yes ... on the other hand, just the other day, we had one of the highest employment rates in history and then all of a sudden ... poof...these people are unemployed; massive unemployment. People still somehow have to put food in their bellies, pay their rent or mortgage, utilities, insurance, etc. With this amount of people out of work, I imagine that first unemployment check is going to take awhile. Many people live paycheck to paycheck, what do they do in the meantime? Friends, family and neighbors are hurting to ... and then there's the mandated shutdown for some and social distancing.
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It is not slander when someone lies.
And you do.
I repeat: stop saying people on this board believe there is nothing to this virus.
Anyone else notice the WSJ Op-Ed thread on the economic impact of COVID-19 was locked?
Imagine that.....
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Yes ... on the other hand, just the other day, we had one of the highest employment rates in history and then all of a sudden ... poof...these people are unemployed; massive unemployment. People still somehow have to put food in their bellies, pay their rent or mortgage, utilities, insurance, etc. With this amount of people out of work, I imagine that first unemployment check is going to take awhile. Many people live paycheck to paycheck, what do they do in the meantime? Friends, family and neighbors are hurting to ... and then there's the mandated shutdown for some and social distancing.
A culture shock is underway, and that's the stuff that keeps people awake at night. I tell ya, I'd be really upset if I was still working. We're set, but I worry about the others.
On top of that, I have to watch the DeeCee bastards even closer than before because I know how they feel about crises. They're opportunities to further restrict our freedom and our way of life.
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Anyone else notice the WSJ Op-Ed thread on the economic impact of COVID-19 was locked?
Imagine that.....
On TBR? I don't see it. Usually threads get locked because we're overwhelmed by personal attacks and such. We don't like doing it but sometimes it's the only way to get people to cool off, and then we unlock them.
ETA: If you know where it is, please let me know to see if I should unlock it.
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Please stop the bickering, everyone is stressed out....My son was laid off the other day and he became one of the many thousands unemployed. He can't even file for unemployment insurance as the site has crashed..and their doors are locked...
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Anyone else notice the WSJ Op-Ed thread on the economic impact of COVID-19 was locked?
Imagine that.....
Here?...I did want to post an article from the WSJ today or yesterday but you have to me a member to even read it..
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That's where we are. We're fine, can afford everything we need to hunker down and have plenty of TP. I'm worried about the others. I mentioned somewhere we have a total population of about 35K, and 8K work across the river at the Nevada casinos and hotels. They were all thrown out of work a few days ago when the Governor of that state ordered all Casinos and Restaurants closed, which also closed the Hotels.
@Cyber Liberty
I currently have a vacation planned for the area in two weeks. Not gambling, but I was flying into LAS and then trekking out from there into Utah and AZ. But with everything closed in LV, I am guessing that this is no longer an option. What is the word on the street? Is it still worth chancing, or should I go to Hawaii instead?
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Here?...I did want to post an article from the WSJ today or yesterday but you have to me a member to even read it..
I'm not a big fan of WSJ because of that, but sometimes they have exclusives we don't want to miss.
I want to reiterate something: Everybody, please stop the fighting among ourselves! That's how the Rat bastards get us down. Holy smoke, we all have strong opinions, or we would not be Briefers!!
A little respect for the Forum, if all y'all can't summon it up for fellow Members!
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Please stop the bickering, everyone is stressed out....My son was laid off the other day and he became one of the many thousands unemployed. He can't even file for unemployment insurance as the site has crashed..and their doors are locked...
Sorry to hear that.
I have a feeling all this will be over in about a week - two, tops - and the economy/jobs will come screaming back with a friggen vengeance. And your son will be back sitting in commuter traffic in no time. :patriot:
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That's a misrepresentation what what's being posted, and I'd appreciate it a lot of we could not call other good Members liars. I don't want to have to start editing posts, it pisses everybody off.
No misrepresentation. http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,388835.msg2173288.html#msg2173288 (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,388835.msg2173288.html#msg2173288)
And the poster should read up on this on tactics to remain healthy.
How Fear Makes You Sick
https://lissarankin.com/how-fear-makes-you-sick/ (https://lissarankin.com/how-fear-makes-you-sick/)
Why You May Be Irrationally Freaked Out About Coronavirus (& How To Relax)
https://lissarankin.com/why-you-may-be-irrationally-freaked-out-about-coronavirus-how-to-relax/ (https://lissarankin.com/why-you-may-be-irrationally-freaked-out-about-coronavirus-how-to-relax/)
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@Cyber Liberty
I currently have a vacation planned for the area in two weeks. Not gambling, but I was flying into LAS and then trekking out from there into Utah and AZ. But with everything closed in LV, I am guessing that this is no longer an option. What is the word on the street? Is it still worth chancing, or should I go to Hawaii instead?
Vegas is probably down for the full 30 days, and we're only 2 days into it. Hawaii's nice, but I fear nowhere's going to be any fun for a month.
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No misrepresentation. http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,388835.msg2173288.html#msg2173288 (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,388835.msg2173288.html#msg2173288)
And the poster should read up on this on tactics to remain healthy.
How Fear Makes You Sick
https://lissarankin.com/how-fear-makes-you-sick/ (https://lissarankin.com/how-fear-makes-you-sick/)
Why You May Be Irrationally Freaked Out About Coronavirus (& How To Relax)
https://lissarankin.com/why-you-may-be-irrationally-freaked-out-about-coronavirus-how-to-relax/ (https://lissarankin.com/why-you-may-be-irrationally-freaked-out-about-coronavirus-how-to-relax/)
You see...those two links are constructive. Thanks!
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Far better than Trump arguing with that NBC reporter. What the H was that about?
Thanks for your response @Applewood . I agree. On the other hand I have recently considered that President Trump could possibly be human with feelings, and watching his legacy of a strong 3-year economy swirl down the drain in 2 weeks could be frustrating and infuriating. He is the President and shouldn't act in malice, but we all fall short in the eyes of the Lord. Thankfully, the President was mostly back on message today, praising others for their diligence, and co-operation, and unity.
Here are several of my takes on the efficacy of owning the liberal press on reducing the spread of the virus.
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,395503.msg2174004.html#msg2174004 (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,395503.msg2174004.html#msg2174004)
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| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global | 7.14 ↓ | 3.29 ↑ |
| US/Can/Mex | 0.15 ↓ | 571.62 ↑ |
| China | 22.04 - | 1.13 - |
Five more recoveries - 3 US, 2 CAN
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Sorry to hear that.
I have a feeling all this will be over in about a week - two, tops - and the economy/jobs will come screaming back with a friggen vengeance. And your son will be back sitting in commuter traffic in no time. :patriot:
I pray you are right!
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With all the talk about Italy and its aged population, we might learn something by focusing on Florida and its aged population. Florida also has warmer temperatures and higher moisture content in the atmosphere, so that could be the difference. Also could explain Hong Kong and Singapore low numbers.
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The idea, as poorly thought out as it is, is to throw money all around in hopes that we'll spend money we otherwise would not, and that would have zero effect on the sectors that are hurting (especially if I'm not even allowed to do the things that would help).
@Cyber Liberty
Of course they hope it's going to be spent! But not only to try to keep the economy afloat.
The vast majority of Americans live hand to mouth.
Dress it up all you want but the cold hard truth is that without that money, we'd all be living in a dangerous, savage world.
People will not only steal to feed their kids...today, they'll kill you just for your toilet paper.
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Please stop the bickering, everyone is stressed out....My son was laid off the other day and he became one of the many thousands unemployed. He can't even file for unemployment insurance as the site has crashed..and their doors are locked...
@Cyber Liberty
This is exactly what I'm talking about.
SIGN THE DAMN BILL!! And make it $2K.
My state of Maryland will get my $200 at the dispensary. happy77
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I'm not a big fan of WSJ because of that, but sometimes they have exclusives we don't want to miss.
I want to reiterate something: Everybody, please stop the fighting among ourselves! That's how the Rat bastards get us down. Holy smoke, we all have strong opinions, or we would not be Briefers!!
A little respect for the Forum, if all y'all can't summon it up for fellow Members!
Who's been bickering?? I just can't believe it. :laugh:
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@Cyber Liberty
This is exactly what I'm talking about.
SIGN THE DAMN BILL!! And make it $2K.
My state of Maryland will get my $200 at the dispensary. happy77
Who's gonna pay for it?
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Who's gonna pay for it?
That magic printing press...
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That magic printing press...
It's like we've gone back 10 years in history. Is Cash for Clunkers v2 next for people that can't make their car payments?
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Might this whole thing be a wake up event for the younger generation where many have been protected from adversity since birth?
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Might this whole thing be a wake up event for the younger generation where many have been protected from adversity since birth?
I think that will be determined on how the kid was raised.
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today, they'll kill you just for your toilet paper.
@DCPatriot I WOULD NOT!!!
:pondering: unless...
I mean, how much TP are we talking?
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Who's gonna pay for it?
M E X I C O !
See that? I'm recycling.
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@DCPatriot I WOULD NOT!!!
:pondering: unless...
I mean, how much TP are we talking?
:beer:
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Who's gonna pay for it?
The government. Duh.
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The government. Duh.
spelt US
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Due to memory issues and usually shopping hungry, I have food all over my place.
Not prepping at all, just stupid. Have food in my bathroom closet. Freezer is overloaded.
Plenty of TP, and dozens of pounds of coffee. Food under my sink. Fridge is overfilled (stuff actually falls out).
Bedroom closet, living room cabinets, you will find rice, soup, flour, and stuff I have forgotten about months ago.
Every spare spot has food in it. Not from covid-19. It is just something I do, normally and naturally all the time.
Nobody is more surprised than me that my obsessive shopping actually paid off. Totally unexpected.
I could never leave my home for months eating and drinking just fine. And that would be normal for me.
All I'm thinking is that I can finally burn up some of my overstock.
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https://twitter.com/davidfrum/status/1241553571675504641
David Frum @davidfrum
What's the answer on the Trump Bailout?
Quote Tweet
Chuck Schumer @SenSchumer
· 23m
Two Words: Hell No. https://twitter.com/yashar/status/1241445502798794752
9:33 PM · Mar 21, 2020
the rats are playing chicken with the President.
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Might this whole thing be a wake up event for the younger generation where many have been protected from adversity since birth?
I’ve thought about that. We didn’t live through the Depression or a World War, but a lot of us were raised by parents who did. And though many were spoiled, many of us were raised by parents who taught us to value what we had, to work hard, and to spend our money wisely.
A lot of kids have been given everything, and taught to expect others to take care of them.
If this causes the economy to crash (God forbid), will the younger generations have the resilience to recover? Hard to say....
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With all the talk about Italy and its aged population, we might learn something by focusing on Florida and its aged population. Florida also has warmer temperatures and higher moisture content in the atmosphere, so that could be the difference. Also could explain Hong Kong and Singapore low numbers.
I’ve thought of that, and wondered how many of the elderly Florida residents may have been infected by those reckless college students exchanging bodily fluids on the beaches during their spring break.
I think we’ll find out if there’s an uptick in cases in the coming weeks.
They should have closed those beaches immediately, IMO....
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Younger adults are large percentage of coronavirus hospitalizations in United States, according to new CDC data
White House officials warn millennials they are not immune
By Ariana Eunjung Cha
March 19, 2020 at 8:55 AM EDT
The deadly coronavirus has been met with a bit of a shrug among some in the under-50 set in the United States. Even as public health officials repeatedly urged social distancing, the young and hip spilled out of bars on Bourbon Street in New Orleans. They gleefully hopped on flights, tweeting about the rock-bottom airfares. And they gathered in packs on beaches.
Their attitudes were based in part on early data from China, which suggested covid-19 might seriously sicken or kill the elderly — but spare the young.
Stark new data from the United States and Europe suggests otherwise.
Read more at: https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/03/19/younger-adults-are-large-percentage-coronavirus-hospitalizations-united-states-according-new-cdc-data/?utm_campaign=wp_post_most&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_most (https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/03/19/younger-adults-are-large-percentage-coronavirus-hospitalizations-united-states-according-new-cdc-data/?utm_campaign=wp_post_most&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_most)
This article is a free read, I noted, some publications are making their coronavirus info free, it provides a public service.
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Younger adults are large percentage of coronavirus hospitalizations in United States, according to new CDC data
@TomSea I hope these kids don't die, and the ones who live don't have life-long perment damage to their lungs because they wanted one more day of spring break. It's hard to blame them for under-estimating the damage. I've been reassuring my own children that they were very safe from this virus, but that is the message I've been getting from the people who say our COVID-19 response is exaggerated.
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"DEAD WITHIN DAYS Clinic worker, 39, found dead in her kitchen while waiting for delayed coronavirus test results"
https://www.the-sun.com/news/572255/39-year-old-new-orleans-woman-dies-coronavirus/ (https://www.the-sun.com/news/572255/39-year-old-new-orleans-woman-dies-coronavirus/)
Sad story.
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@TomSea I hope these kids don't die, and the ones who live don't have life-long perment damage to their lungs because they wanted one more day of spring break. It's hard to blame them for under-estimating the damage. I've been reassuring my own children that they were very safe from this virus, but that is the message I've been getting from the people who say our COVID-19 response is exaggerated.
I'd point out to them that male sterility is a real possibility...but then, they'd say "Cool! No need for abortions!" So that's a wash. :shrug:
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"DEAD WITHIN DAYS Clinic worker, 39, found dead in her kitchen while waiting for delayed coronavirus test results"
https://www.the-sun.com/news/572255/39-year-old-new-orleans-woman-dies-coronavirus/ (https://www.the-sun.com/news/572255/39-year-old-new-orleans-woman-dies-coronavirus/)
Sad story.
She would have died anyways eventually...
Said no decent American.
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https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/)
Serious or critical infections have been sitting at 64 for days they just jumped to 708. 3% of confirmed cases.
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https://twitter.com/aetiology/status/1241567768337625088
Dr. Tara C. Smith @aetiology
Payne Whitney gym at @Yale . Here's to hoping they won't be needed. https://t.co/RtZvfBfZeP?amp=1
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I’ve thought of that, and wondered how many of the elderly Florida residents may have been infected by those reckless college students exchanging bodily fluids on the beaches during their spring break.
Elderly residents were told to stay home. Not sure how young college students exchanging bodily fluids on salty outdoor beaches would have infected anyone staying inside their homes.
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Elderly residents were told to stay home. Not sure how young college students exchanging bodily fluids on salty outdoor beaches would have infected anyone staying inside their homes.
If they did stay home. And if the kids stayed on the beach the whole time (which they didn’t). Then it might not have been a problem.
But I can’t imagine a scenario where there wasn’t contact between the old and the young.
Now those kids have returned to their home states, where I’m quite sure they aren’t self quarantined as they are supposed to be and some will be spreading the disease here.
The beaches should have been closed as soon as it became obvious that the virus was really here.
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I’ve thought about that. We didn’t live through the Depression or a World War, but a lot of us were raised by parents who did. And though many were spoiled, many of us were raised by parents who taught us to value what we had, to work hard, and to spend our money wisely.
I remember hearing my mother talk about how she and her sister would canvass the neighborhood looking for scrap metal to fight the war. Once she overheard my grandmother remark about what a shame it was that the children couldn't have any toys to play with.
It is remarkable to me how the Greatest Generation gave birth to the worst generation. Although Baby Boomers were taught the lessons, they never lived them. The only lessons that took hold were the socialism of FDR that gave birth to the Great Society.
A lot of kids have been given everything, and taught to expect others to take care of them.
If this causes the economy to crash (God forbid), will the younger generations have the resilience to recover? Hard to say....
Maybe, maybe not for Gen XYZ. But the Millennials as a whole are just plain cynical. They are already slaves to previous generations, chained down with the impossible burden of supporting half the retirement costs of another individual, and with zero hope of any help when they grow old. It is no wonder why they choose to live for the moment knowing what lies ahead.
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Elderly residents were told to stay home. Not sure how young college students exchanging bodily fluids on salty outdoor beaches would have infected anyone staying inside their homes.
Only if they were visiting an elderly relative.
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2020-03-22 07:30 CDT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global | 6.97 ↓ | 3.33 ↑ |
| US/Can/Mex | 0.63 ↑ | 120.98 ↓ |
| China | 22.21 ↑ | 1.12 ↓ |
Some good news this morning. US/CAN/MEX recoveries up 189.
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The kids too, will use valuable resources, beds, medicines and so on.
Again, the article posted just yesterday show a sizeable amount of so-called "youth", for however one wants to define that, still go to ICU, they use doctors and nurses and machines. In that, the percentages are more comparable. 53% might be elderly who are in hospital beds, so that leaves 47% to other age categories, I don't have the figures exactly memorized. At least, after 10 years old generally speaking, there doesn't seem to be an age group that is bullet-proof to the ravages of the sickness.
Related:
Coast Guard Cadet Tests Positive for Coronavirus Following Spring Break Trip
https://www.military.com/daily-news/2020/03/22/coast-guard-cadet-tests-positive-coronavirus-following-spring-break-trip.html (https://www.military.com/daily-news/2020/03/22/coast-guard-cadet-tests-positive-coronavirus-following-spring-break-trip.html)
I think too, there's a fair chance, the guys showed up but a lesser amount of gals to creep out the forum with talking about "exchanging bodily fluids". So, yes, there might be a fair amount of guys chugging beers.
And how about other? Rick Scott retweeted: (https://twitter.com/RedCross/status/1241018978723598338)
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Rick Scott
@SenRickScott
Americans have been shaken and lives have been changed.
We need to take drastic steps NOW to end the spread of the #Coronavirus in the US. If we do, I believe we can get back to normal, or close to it, in 30 days.
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https://twitter.com/SwampDog4614/status/1241350937320534016 (https://twitter.com/SwampDog4614/status/1241350937320534016)
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James Rosen Drops Bombshell Report That the CDC ‘Lied’ to the White House About Wuhan Virus Testing
Posted at 2:45 pm on March 20, 2020 by Bonchie
I’ll preface this by saying that it’s possible “lie†is too strong of a word here. Nonetheless, James Rosen dropped a bombshell report today that could explain the early slow distribution of Wuhan virus tests. It involves a former official speaking on the record about what he saw at the time.
You can watch the full hit above, which includes the comments from the former official about the CDC misleading the Trump administration on the viability of their early testing regimes. That’s been a hot topic in regards to judging how quickly the President did or didn’t act, often used as a bludgeon within the current news coverage.
This has actually been a question for quite a while, with strong evidence to support the idea that CDC, operating within all the red tape previously created, had really dropped the ball. Tests from overseas were rejected that could have gotten the U.S. testing capacity up and going much sooner. Eventually, the CDC would admit that their early tests were giving false positives, requiring a rework. That’s how we ended up where we are today, with private companies doing the lion’s share of the heavy lifting to get this done. The fact that those private companies had to get involved is a pretty good signal that the CDC screwed this up.
More: https://www.redstate.com/bonchie/2020/03/20/james-rosen-reports-cdc-lied-to-the-white-house-about-wuhan-virus-testing/ (https://www.redstate.com/bonchie/2020/03/20/james-rosen-reports-cdc-lied-to-the-white-house-about-wuhan-virus-testing/)
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CSIS, Center for Strategic and International Studies:
COVID-19 and Food Security
What You Need to Know
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What are some safe ways to shop for groceries right now? Should I wash and prepare foods differently once I get them home?
Although it is possible for a person to contract coronavirus from touching a surface or object and then touching their face or mouth, this is not the main source of infection. More often, the virus is spread by person-to-person contact through respiratory droplets.
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Are there particular foods I should avoid purchasing, like foods imported from certain countries?
Most coronavirus infections originate with the respiratory system, not the digestive system, so food itself is not a principal concern, according to the infectious disease expert Daniel Kuritzke. Nor have authorities recommended avoiding foods from any particular countries.
See more at: https://www.csis.org/programs/global-food-security-program/covid-19-and-food-security (https://www.csis.org/programs/global-food-security-program/covid-19-and-food-security)
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There goes my Hawaii vacation
Hawaii to quarantine all arrivals to the state for 14 days
https://apnews.com/9a9267e5e23aa5cd66b1d407e13550e1
That's $376 round trip from ATL shot to hell.
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There goes my Hawaii vacation
Hawaii to quarantine all arrivals to the state for 14 days
https://apnews.com/9a9267e5e23aa5cd66b1d407e13550e1
That's $376 round trip from ATL shot to hell.
9999hair out0000
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There goes my Hawaii vacation
Hawaii to quarantine all arrivals to the state for 14 days
https://apnews.com/9a9267e5e23aa5cd66b1d407e13550e1
That's $376 round trip from ATL shot to hell.
About the time span of the longest vacation.
And that state was a basket case before.
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Aaron Blake @AaronBlake
.@jaketapper
on Defense Production Act: "Has the president, as of now ... ordered any companies to make more of any of these critical supplies?"
FEMA head Peter Gaynor: "No. We haven't yet."
Trump said twice Friday that not only had he invoked DPA, but he had begun using it.
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I want to be supportive of the President, but I'm getting angry about being lied to. Stop it, and get to making respirators NOW, because when we run out, just about everyone who needs one is gonna die.
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Boy, I hadn't heard this story from March 13th by the way, head of a "Libertarian Think-Tank that receives some funding from google.
Tech think tank chief to step down after Trump death tweet
“Serious question: could there possibly [sic] any greater poetic justice in the universe than for Trump to die of the #CPACvirus?†Szóka tweeted late Monday.
By CRISTIANO LIMA
03/13/2020 11:55 AM EDT
Updated: 03/13/2020 12:41 PM EDT
The leader of a libertarian-leaning tech group is stepping down as its president after tweeting that it would be “poetic justice†if President Donald Trump died from the coronavirus, the group confirmed Friday.
Berin Szóka, president of Washington-based think tank TechFreedom, will be taking an indefinite sabbatical to write a book on tech policy, as first reported by POLITICO earlier Friday. Shane Tews, a longtime member of the group's board, will lead the organization in his stead.
Read more at: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/13/think-tank-chief-to-step-down-after-trump-death-tweet-128397 (https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/13/think-tank-chief-to-step-down-after-trump-death-tweet-128397)
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Szoka is sorry he got caught. Old webpage (2015) but there he is. Scumbag.
https://berinszoka.com/ (https://berinszoka.com/)
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Boy, I hadn't heard this story from March 13th by the way, head of a "Libertarian Think-Tank that receives some funding from google.
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Szoka is sorry he got caught. Old webpage (2015) but there he is. Scumbag.
https://berinszoka.com/ (https://berinszoka.com/)
Hard to believe anyone has that much hate.
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Hard to believe anyone has that much hate.
@mrpotatohead Agreed and he is stupid to think he could get away with tweeting it. But the most hate inspiring President still has to be President George W Bush who was so hated they made a movie fantasizing his assassination. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_a_President_(2006_film) Makes that tweet look like a booger, huh?
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Hard to believe anyone has that much hate.
No different than Julianne Malveaux wishing Clarence Thomas dead:
“You know, I hope his wife feeds him lots of eggs and butter and he dies early like many black men do, of heart disease.â€
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There goes my Hawaii vacation
Hawaii to quarantine all arrivals to the state for 14 days
https://apnews.com/9a9267e5e23aa5cd66b1d407e13550e1
That's $376 round trip from ATL shot to hell.
BTW with the reporters checking into insider stock trades & such I hope someone is also keeping an eye on which 'insiders' might be side stepping the quarantines to enjoy a little sun on Hawaii's now vacant beaches.
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BTW with the reporters checking into insider stock trades & such I hope someone is also keeping an eye on which 'insiders' might be side stepping the quarantines to enjoy a little sun on Hawaii's now vacant beaches.
OTOH, considering the "Supply Chain"issues of an extended crisis and te implications of a long term stay. Hawaii may be one of the last places in this country I would want to be stranded in. I have been there, and the indigenous Polyneisan population does not tend to like outsiders in general. Can you imagine how they will treat them in an emergency?
OTH, OTH, if you have prepper tendencies and are in a safe secure location near some wilderness, the bounty would be endless. Food grows wild there year round in massive quantities
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Except that beaches are very problematic right now.
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OTOH, considering the "Supply Chain"issues of an extended cris implications of a long term stay. Hawaii may be one of the last places in this country I would want to be stranded in. I have been there, and the indigenous Polyneisan population does not tend to like outsiders in general. Can you imagine how they will treat them in an emergency?
Its OK. Obama still has an SS detail to keep the mokes at bay.
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OTOH, considering the "Supply Chain"issues of an extended cris implications of a long term stay. Hawaii may be one of the last places in this country I would want to be stranded in. I have been there, and the indigenous Polyneisan population does not tend to like outsiders in general. Can you imagine how they will treat them in an emergency?
OTH, OTH, if you have prepper tendencies and are in a safe secure location near some wilderness, the bounty would be endless. Food grows wild there in massive quantities
Yer jus' an ol' Haole. :laugh:
Hang Loose, Brah.
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@mrpotatohead Agreed and he is stupid to think he could get away with tweeting it. But the most hate inspiring President still has to be President George W Bush who was so hated they made a movie fantasizing his assassination. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_a_President_(2006_film) Makes that tweet look like a booger, huh?
If there is a Republican President, he will be subjected to this hate. And let's not forget, they hated McCain and Romney, not even presidents too. I hope in the years since these two nominees ran, people are smarter. Remember that about carry the dog on top of the car....
(https://sfcmac.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/obama-and-romney-dogs.jpg)
So, to me, it doesn't really matter who is a Republican President, this unhinged hate will show up, maybe it is less with some persons.
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Russia Aims to Stir Distrust in Europe on Virus Disinformation
By Andrea Dudik
Internal EU memo finds fake news produced in many languages
‘Campaign is designed to exacerbate confusion, panic and fear’
A substantial Russian campaign has spread disinformation about the coronavirus with the intention of worsening the crisis in Western countries by spreading distrust in national health-care systems and intensifying fear and confusion, according to an analysis by the European Union.
“A significant disinformation campaign by Russian state media and pro-Kremlin outlets regarding COVID-19 is ongoing,†according to an internal EU document dated March 16 and seen by Bloomberg News. “The campaign is designed to exacerbate confusion, panic and fear, and to prevent people from accessing reliable information about the virus and public-safety provisions.â€
The EU analysis found that disinformation was spread in multiple languages including English, Italian, Spanish, Arabic and Russian. It also said the East StratCom Task Force -- a multi-agency EU team focusing on such campaigns of deception -- had identified 80 cases related to coronavirus since January 22.
Read more at: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-19/russia-aims-to-stir-distrust-in-europe-on-virus-disinformation (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-19/russia-aims-to-stir-distrust-in-europe-on-virus-disinformation)
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A substantial Russian campaign has spread disinformation about the coronavirus with the intention of worsening the crisis in Western countries by spreading distrust in national health-care systems and intensifying fear and confusion, according to an analysis by the European Union.
I hope my boy Richard Grenell, our fabulous new acting director of national intelligence since last month, and replacing Joseph Maguire 6 months earlier...I do hope he feels like he's got everything in place because a terror attack now would be devastating, and I also hope he's not counting on the Russians to help President Trump win the 2020 election, because Sleepy-Joe might actually be looking very appealing as the weakest US President to Putin.
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I have kept relatively quiet about my experience in this of matter , but:
(1) One of my first jobs out of college was with a State Dept. of Health, both in public health and in microbial laboratory analysis. I dealt with CDC on epidemological reporting, I also particpated in a small regional Cholea outbreak containment back in the late '70's. and early 80's. One old salty regional manager .... he was about 70 at the time, half the time drunk happy77, but very wise, and everyone valued his council. He confided in us that 3 times out of 4, the panic of an epidemic is more damaging than the disease itself. Fear and disinformation are the biggest enemies of those in the public health sector.
(2) Toward the end of my career, in my tenure the Safety, Health, and Environmental Manager of a petrochemical plant, I was tasked in conjunction with the rest of the facilties in the country, with preperation of a Communicable Disease Contingency Plan. One thing that was so important is the fact that proper planning, preperation, and coordinaton on wide scale is needed to sucessfully address the containment and spread of the contagion. All levels of governments get an "F" IMO in that regard.
With that...... this is and what should be the driving principles in priority order....
(1) Identify, isolate ,protect, and sustain critical national infrastructure. examples....Utilities, Industries, Supply Chain, Medical, Emergency Services.
(2) Identify, isolate, and sustain at risk populations.
(3) Establish and segregate facilties (hospitals, outpatient stations, dispensaries, etc) for contagion vs. general population needs. Work should have been started weeks ago preparing satelitte hospitals and facilites to address this.
(4) Continue commerce, as normal, except taking extraordinary means like we are doing right now to protect and slow down spread of the disease.- WE CAN ADRESS THIS WITHOUT DESTROYING OUR ECONOMY.
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I have kept relatively quiet about my experience in this of matter , but:
(1) One of my first jobs out of college was with a State Dept. of Health, both in public health and in microbial laboratory analysis. I dealt with CDC on epidemological reporting, I also particpated in a small regional Cholea outbreak containment back in the late '70's. and early 80's. One old salty regional manager .... he was about 70 at the time, half the time drunk happy77, but very wise, and everyone valued his council. He confided in us that 3 times out of 4, the panic of an epidemic is more damaging than the disease itself. Fear and disinformation are the biggest enemies of those in the public health sector.
(2) Toward the end of my career, in my tenure the Safety, Health, and Environmental Manager of a petrochemical plant, I was tasked in conjunction with the rest of the facilties in the country, with preperation of a Communicable Disease Contingency Plan. One thing that was so important is the fact that proper planning, preperation, and coordinaton on wide scale is needed to sucessfully address the containment and spread of the contagion. All levels of governments get an "F" IMO in that regard.
With that...... this is and what should be the driving principles in priority order....
(1) Identify, isolate ,protect, and sustain critical national infrastructure. examples....Utilities, Industries, Supply Chain, Medical, Emergency Services.
(2) Identify, isolate, and sustain at risk populations.
(3) Establish and segregate facilties (hospitals, outpatient stations, dispensaries, etc) for contagion vs. general population needs. Work should have been started weeks ago preparing satelitte hospitals and facilites to address this.
(4) Continue commerce, as normal, except taking extraordinary means like we are doing right now to protect and slow down spread of the disease.- WE CAN ADRESS THIS WITHOUT DESTROYONG OUR ECONOMY.
Thanks for the enlightenment.
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I have kept relatively quiet about my experience in this of matter , but:
(1) One of my first jobs out of college was with a State Dept. of Health, both in public health and in microbial laboratory analysis. I dealt with CDC on epidemological reporting, I also particpated in a small regional Cholea outbreak containment back in the late '70's. and early 80's. One old salty regional manager .... he was about 70 at the time, half the time drunk happy77, but very wise, and everyone valued his council. He confided in us that 3 times out of 4, the panic of an epidemic is more damaging than the disease itself. Fear and disinformation are the biggest enemies of those in the public health sector.
(2) Toward the end of my career, in my tenure the Safety, Health, and Environmental Manager of a petrochemical plant, I was tasked in conjunction with the rest of the facilties in the country, with preperation of a Communicable Disease Contingency Plan. One thing that was so important is the fact that proper planning, preperation, and coordinaton on wide scale is needed to sucessfully address the containment and spread of the contagion. All levels of governments get an "F" IMO in that regard.
With that...... this is and what should be the driving principles in priority order....
(1) Identify, isolate ,protect, and sustain critical national infrastructure. examples....Utilities, Industries, Supply Chain, Medical, Emergency Services.
(2) Identify, isolate, and sustain at risk populations.
(3) Establish and segregate facilties (hospitals, outpatient stations, dispensaries, etc) for contagion vs. general population needs. Work should have been started weeks ago preparing satelitte hospitals and facilites to address this.
(4) Continue commerce, as normal, except taking extraordinary means like we are doing right now to protect and slow down spread of the disease.- WE CAN ADRESS THIS WITHOUT DESTROYONG OUR ECONOMY.
Are there any indications that most of those things are being done?
Those things make sense to me. Especially creating a parallel health system physically separated from our normal general purpose healthcare system to isolate the contagion. Keeping it out of the normal healthcare flow of things where it causes further disaster.
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"There's drug combo to shorten coronavirus, French researchers say"
https://www.foxnews.com/science/french-researchers-publish-antimalarial-and-antibiotics-combination-that-could-shorten-covid-19 (https://www.foxnews.com/science/french-researchers-publish-antimalarial-and-antibiotics-combination-that-could-shorten-covid-19)
Madcow has some explaining to do...
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Are there any indications that most of those things are being done?
Those things make sense to me. Especially creating a parallel health system physically separated from our normal general purpose healthcare system to isolate the contagion. Keeping it out of the normal healthcare flow of things where it causes further disaster.
Been retired for 7 years, so have been out of the loop. I'd guess most responsible industrial companies have had plans since the H5N1 episode. OTOH, it sure seems obvious that government at all levels... fed, state, and local have generally responded flatfooted. Terrible disjointed and uncoordinated response.
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"There's drug combo to shorten coronavirus, French researchers say"
https://www.foxnews.com/science/french-researchers-publish-antimalarial-and-antibiotics-combination-that-could-shorten-covid-19 (https://www.foxnews.com/science/french-researchers-publish-antimalarial-and-antibiotics-combination-that-could-shorten-covid-19)
Madcow has some explaining to do...
And who's going to ask her?
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With that...... this is and what should be the driving principles in priority order....
(1) Identify, isolate ,protect, and sustain critical national infrastructure. examples....Utilities, Industries, Supply Chain, Medical, Emergency Services.
(2) Identify, isolate, and sustain at risk populations.
(3) Establish and segregate facilties (hospitals, outpatient stations, dispensaries, etc) for contagion vs. general population needs. Work should have been started weeks ago preparing satelitte hospitals and facilites to address this.
(4) Continue commerce, as normal, except taking extraordinary means like we are doing right now to protect and slow down spread of the disease.- WE CAN ADRESS THIS WITHOUT DESTROYING OUR ECONOMY.
Excellent! Would that it were so. And here I thought you were just sensible. :beer:
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I have kept relatively quiet about my experience in this of matter , but:
(1) One of my first jobs out of college was with a State Dept. of Health, both in public health and in microbial laboratory analysis. I dealt with CDC on epidemological reporting, I also particpated in a small regional Cholea outbreak containment back in the late '70's. and early 80's. One old salty regional manager .... he was about 70 at the time, half the time drunk happy77, but very wise, and everyone valued his council. He confided in us that 3 times out of 4, the panic of an epidemic is more damaging than the disease itself. Fear and disinformation are the biggest enemies of those in the public health sector.
(2) Toward the end of my career, in my tenure the Safety, Health, and Environmental Manager of a petrochemical plant, I was tasked in conjunction with the rest of the facilties in the country, with preperation of a Communicable Disease Contingency Plan. One thing that was so important is the fact that proper planning, preperation, and coordinaton on wide scale is needed to sucessfully address the containment and spread of the contagion. All levels of governments get an "F" IMO in that regard.
Given your substantial experience in this area you might want to lead with that earlier. I have kept relatively quiet about my experience in this of matter , but: I was never tasked with the preparation of a Communicable Disease Contingency Plan at Little Caesars.
I have heard tell of pointy headed elitists who hate President Trump who insist President Trump is destroying our economy. So I'ma gonna be asking you, is you is, or is you isn't one of those Trump-hatin pointy-elitists who hates President Trump?
With that...... this is and what should be the driving principles in priority order....
(1) Identify, isolate ,protect, and sustain critical national infrastructure. examples....Utilities, Industries, Supply Chain, Medical, Emergency Services.
(2) Identify, isolate, and sustain at risk populations.
(3) Establish and segregate facilties (hospitals, outpatient stations, dispensaries, etc) for contagion vs. general population needs. Work should have been started weeks ago preparing satelitte hospitals and facilites to address this.
(4) Continue commerce, as normal, except taking extraordinary means like we are doing right now to protect and slow down spread of the disease.- WE CAN ADRESS THIS WITHOUT DESTROYING OUR ECONOMY.
The guy asked for 15 days and America says FU Trump. You're doing it all wrong. You're too stupid to get it right. You're too dumb the pointy head elitists say. Well I believe the President has listened to many people much smarter than he is, and this is the best we're gonna get. I also say my President isn't destroying our economy. He has had a consistent message for 7 days. The 15 day guideline - He didn't even make it an unconstitutional mandate. Just a suggestion - "We suggest you stay indoors if you want to live, because some MFs are willing to gamble with your life to inflate news ratings." One week in the knives come out.
My President loves me so much that he doesn't want my death to add to 400 Americans who have preceded me. I honestly believe that, and it's not even hard.
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I put up a poll:
For How Long Do You Expect To Be "Socially Isolated?" (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,395692.0.html)
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Confucius say; "Man with itchy butt, have stinky finger". :rolling:
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Got this in an email:
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Temporary change
to branch access
The safety and well-being of our customers
and employees is our top priority.
Due to the continued impact of Coronavirus, we are taking extra precautions to encourage social distancing, while being able to provide the essential service customers expect and need. In addition to recently modified branch hours, we are instituting new policies for branch access as follows:
â– Beginning Monday, March 23, all in-person banking inside People's United branches will be accessible by appointment only.
â– Please call your local branch during hours of operation to check available services and to make your appointment ahead of time.
â– Drive-thru window service will continue following a reduced hour schedule and ATM banking will remain available
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Given your substantial experience in this area you might want to lead with that earlier. I have kept relatively quiet about my experience in this of matter , but: I was never tasked with the preparation of a Communicable Disease Contingency Plan at Little Caesars.
Little Caesar's? Since when did they get into the Petrochemical Segment? :cool:
I have heard tell of pointy headed elitists who hate President Trump who insist President Trump is destroying our economy. So I'ma gonna be asking you, is you is, or is you isn't one of those Trump-hatin pointy-elitists who hates President Trump?
My position on Trump has been pretty clear. Started out as NT, due to his treatment of Cruz. But have grown to accept the good he has done, and understand the garbage on the dim side of the aisle might may destroy our country. Especially now after this crisis. So to answer your question, I accept Trump warts and all, and will be voting for him in November.
The guy asked for 15 days and America says FU Trump. You're doing it all wrong. You're too stupid to get it right. You're too dumb the pointy head elitists say. Well I believe the President has listened to many people much smarter than he is, and this is the best we're gonna get. I also say my President isn't destroying our economy. He has had a consistent message for 7 days. The 15 day guideline - He didn't even make it an unconstitutional mandate. Just a suggestion - "We suggest you stay indoors if you want to live, because some MFs are willing to gamble with your life to inflate news ratings." One week in the knives come out.
No disagreement with anything you have said there. Problem I have is this entire response has been a mess on the cooridination scale. Can part of this be pinned on Trump, ... some. But OTOH, plenty at the cabinet, agency level, congressional, ....plus a multitude at the state level need to provide an explanation to this country, on why it was so ill prepared.
My President loves me so much that he doesn't want my death to add to 400 Americans who have preceded me. I honestly believe that, and it's not even hard.
The picture is a lot bigger than that. Juggling the inherent risk of life-economy decisons are huge. And I hope our POTUS and lawmakers are up to the task.
Best regards,...
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Little Caesar's? Since when did they get into the Petrochemical Segment?
@catfish1957 Thanks for your response. Little Caesar's has a large vat in the back that they use to scoop out a number of food products and containers that they 3-D print like slices, crazy bread, sauces, boxes, bags, and occasionally change for the drive thru.
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@catfish1957 Thanks for your response. Little Caesar's has a large vat in the back that they use to scoop out a number food products and containers that they 3-D print like slices, crazy bread, sauces, boxes, bags, and occasionally change for the drive thru.
WOW. Does it make toilet paper? I would know some who say it does.
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https://twitter.com/RandPaul/status/1241780756617273345
Senator Rand Paul @RandPaul
Senator Rand Paul has tested positive for COVID-19. He is feeling fine and is in quarantine. He is asymptomatic and was tested out of an abundance of caution due to his extensive travel and events. He was not aware of any direct contact with any infected person.
12:36 PM · Mar 22, 2020
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Lisa Desjardins @LisaDNews
BREAKING:Sen. Mike Lee, R-Utah, is immediately self-quarantining, per advice of congressional physicians office, sources familiar tells me.
More...
3:05 PM · Mar 22, 2020
Lisa Desjardins @LisaDNews
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Replying to
@LisaDNews
SEN. LEE, more: physician’s office said as he has no symptoms Lee is not priority, does not meet protocol for getting tested.
But because he spent two hours with Sen. Paul at lunch Friday, they recommended he self-quarantine immediately.
He has left the Capitol.
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Nobody want's to have their vote recorded on this dog bill. :rolling:
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Lisa Desjardins @LisaDNews
BREAKING:Sen. Mike Lee, R-Utah, is immediately self-quarantining, per advice of congressional physicians office, sources familiar tells me.
More...
3:05 PM · Mar 22, 2020
Lisa Desjardins @LisaDNews
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@LisaDNews
SEN. LEE, more: physician’s office said as he has no symptoms Lee is not priority, does not meet protocol for getting tested.
But because he spent two hours with Sen. Paul at lunch Friday, they recommended he self-quarantine immediately.
He has left the Capitol.
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Nobody want's to have their vote recorded on this dog bill. :rolling:
I thought about that too. But Mitt should realize it's a no brainer -- those that sat closest to Rand or shook his hand, need to quarantine.
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@catfish1957 Thanks for your response. Little Caesar's has a large vat in the back that they use to scoop out a number of food products and containers that they 3-D print like slices, crazy bread, sauces, boxes, bags, and occasionally change for the drive thru.
LMAO...
I always did consider Little Ceasar the low end of the fast food chain,
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RE your post #3064 above @catfish1957
No disagreement with anything you have said there. Problem I have is this entire response has been a mess on the cooridination scale. Can part of this be pinned on Trump, ... some. But OTOH, plenty at the cabinet, agency level, congressional, ....plus a multitude at the state level need to provide an explanation to this country, on why it was so ill prepared.
Especially in light of this:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ETn4YYuWAAA2Tnd?format=jpg&name=medium)
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Dozens of diseases wax and wane with the seasons. Will COVID-19?
https://science.sciencemag.org/content/367/6484/1294.full
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https://twitter.com/RandPaul/status/1241780756617273345
Senator Rand Paul @RandPaul
Senator Rand Paul has tested positive for COVID-19. He is feeling fine and is in quarantine. He is asymptomatic and was tested out of an abundance of caution due to his extensive travel and events. He was not aware of any direct contact with any infected person.
12:36 PM · Mar 22, 2020
Rand Paul should give his neighbor a visit.
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Rand Paul should give his neighbor a visit.
Share a bottle of Jamison, and drink to good health..... :silly:
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Rand Paul should give his neighbor a visit.
888high58888
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If you don't mind dirtying your computer displays:
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3827102/posts (http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3827102/posts)
Some good charts there to view.
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From @Fishrrman 's link:
"The Wusan triad is Fever, Cough and Shortness of Breath. It is now considered diagnostic of COVID-19 infection by the New York City Board of Health. If a patient has Fever and Cough, then the this therapeutic regimen should start before the third point of the triad ,Shortness of Breath, is reached. By then the lungs have already been compromised and the clinical outcome is in doubt. People are concerned that the quinolones and Zithromax prolong the QT interval on EKG and this may lead to serious or fatal arrhythmias. Many therapeutic agents prolong the QT interval. However if a person develops a pneumonia the right side pressures of the heart increase rapidly and while myocardial tissue itself is not a direct target of the virus, the increased strain on the heart due to hypoxemia and increased pressures can in itself lead to arrhythmias.
Quinolones and Zithromax may or may not work. However as of now its the best physicians can offer to patients ill with COVID-19. RNA viruses are bad actors and developing a vaccine is difficult. However until an effective and safe vaccine is developed, this virus will continue to devastate humans and their culture.
BTW believe data out of China at your own risk.
17 posted on 3/22/2020, 10:47:29 AM by allendale (.)"
Thought it was interesting.
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The safest place to be right now.
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It may look isolated, but it ain't.
Crew changes and supply deliveries.
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It may look isolated, but it ain't.
Crew changes and supply deliveries.
You are right, I saw some reports of some rig workers who tested positive, and were relocated to NOLA.
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Rand Paul should give his neighbor a visit.
Oh that is dark. And excellent. Well played sir, well played.
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You are right, I saw some reports of some rig workers who tested positive, and were relocated to NOLA.
sssshhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Keep quiet.
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You are right, I saw some reports of some rig workers who tested positive, and were relocated to NOLA.
That's because there is no alcohol on those rigs.
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That's because there is no alcohol on those rigs.
****drummer
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I know of one definite case on one rig and a possible on another (waiting for test results). But ours is OK so far. Definitely not business as usual though. Still feel safer here than at home. High humidity 24/7.
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Yeah, humidity is safe, just ask Indonesia and Vietnam.
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Some Southern California news:
Inmate at state prison in Lancaster tests positive for COVID-19
https://ktla.com/news/local-news/inmate-at-state-prison-in-lancaster-tests-positive-for-covid-19/
O.C. to use juvenile correctional facility to shelter homeless amid coronavirus pandemic as cases climb to 95
https://ktla.com/news/local-news/inmate-at-state-prison-in-lancaster-tests-positive-for-covid-19/
Fontana church holds drive-in service amid coronavirus pandemic
https://ktla.com/news/local-news/fontana-church-holds-drive-in-service-amid-coronavirus-pandemic/
Illegal border crossings drop by half as new coronavirus U.S.-Mexico border policies go into effect: DHS
https://ktla.com/news/coronavirus/illegal-border-crossings-drop-by-half-as-new-coronavirus-u-s-mexico-border-policies-go-into-effect-dhs/
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Rand Paul should give his neighbor a visit.
too funny 888sunglass @Hoodat
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Spanish opera singer Placido Domingo tests positive for coronavirus
MADRID (Reuters) - Spanish opera singer Placido Domingo said on Sunday he had tested positive for coronavirus and had gone into self isolation with his family.
“We are currently all in good health but I developed a cough and a fever and decided to get tested, and the result came back positive,†Domingo wrote on Facebook.
Spain is struggling to contain Europe’s second worst outbreak of the coronavirus after Italy, with over 28,000 cases and more than 1,700 deaths, according to the Health Ministry.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-spain-domingo-idUSKBN2190ZA (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-spain-domingo-idUSKBN2190ZA)
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Clay Travis @ClayTravis
Monday morning coronavirus positivity: Italy, Spain, Germany, France, Switzerland & England, the six European countries with the largest viral outbreaks, all had declining total new daily cases and/or deaths in the past 24 hours.
6:21 AM · Mar 23, 2020·Twitter for iPhone
@ClayTravis
For those who want to check the data out yourselves, here’s the link. Click on countries for updated numbers & charts: https://worldometers.info/coronavirus/
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According to Fox News stock markets start today with a 15 minute lockdown delay. the S&P's futures dropped 5% triggering the lockdown. For the first time in history all trading will be electronic...the trading floor will be closed.
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https://twitter.com/RandPaul/status/1241820090804379654
Senator Rand Paul @RandPaul
We want to be clear, Senator Paul left the Senate IMMEDIATELY upon learning of his diagnosis. He had zero contact with anyone & went into quarantine. Insinuations such as those below that he went to the gym after learning of his results are just completely false & irresponsible!
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Seung Min Kim @seungminkim
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During the Senate GOP lunch today, Moran told colleagues that Rand was at the gym this morning, per two sources briefed on the lunch, and that he was swimming in the pool. Rand got his COVID-19 results back this morning.
3:12 PM · Mar 22, 2020
Didn't duh Blasio get beat up for going to the gym "one last time" last week? Not a good sign when the writers are reusing material so soon.
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https://twitter.com/mckaycoppins/status/1242054947539226625 (https://twitter.com/mckaycoppins/status/1242054947539226625)
McKay Coppins @mckaycoppins
"Rep. Ben McAdams, D-Utah, who tested positive last week for the disease caused by the coronavirus, said Sunday night that he has been hospitalized since Friday because of 'severe shortness of breath.'"
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/rep-ben-mcadams-hospitalized-after-coronavirus-positive-test-n1166361 (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/rep-ben-mcadams-hospitalized-after-coronavirus-positive-test-n1166361)
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He's 45. Get well soon Congressman McAdams
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https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1241876954158006272 (https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1241876954158006272)
Eva Fox @EvaFoxU
15h
“For some items we have less than a week’s supply, and we expect a surge of patients to start coming. This donation from Tesla is incredible,†said Dr. Waldorf from UW Medicine
Red heart
Thank you @Tesla @elonmusk
Red heart
#Tesla
Elon Musk and Tesla Sent 50K Units of N95 Mask To UW Medicine
UW Medicine also received masks from Tesla and its CEO. 50,000 masks designed to protect the health of medical personnel in the hospital were delivered to Dr. Kristina Adams Waldorf.
tesmanian.com
Elon Musk @elonmusk
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Supply chain logistics — getting masks & other PPE to the right places in time — is the main issue we’re hearing from ER physicians
Pauline
Rocket @justpaulinelol
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News about the ventilators?
Elon Musk @elonmusk
Replying to
@justpaulinelol
@EvaFoxU
and
@Tesla
We expect to have over ~1200 to distribute this week. Getting them delivered, installed & operating is the harder part.
6:58 PM · Mar 22, 2020
https://www.tesmanian.com/blogs/tesmanian-blog/elon-musk-and-tesla-sent-50k-units-of-n95-mask-to-uw-research (https://www.tesmanian.com/blogs/tesmanian-blog/elon-musk-and-tesla-sent-50k-units-of-n95-mask-to-uw-research)
Elon Musk and Tesla Sent 50K Units of N95 Mask To UW Medicine
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Spanish opera singer Placido Domingo tests positive for coronavirus
MADRID (Reuters) - Spanish opera singer Placido Domingo said on Sunday he had tested positive for coronavirus and had gone into self isolation with his family.
“We are currently all in good health but I developed a cough and a fever and decided to get tested, and the result came back positive,†Domingo wrote on Facebook.
Spain is struggling to contain Europe’s second worst outbreak of the coronavirus after Italy, with over 28,000 cases and more than 1,700 deaths, according to the Health Ministry.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-spain-domingo-idUSKBN2190ZA (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-spain-domingo-idUSKBN2190ZA)
Oh, wow. He's pretty old, so I hope he does OK. From everything I've read, even if one doesn't die, this disease can be pretty awful....
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https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1241876954158006272 (https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1241876954158006272)
Eva Fox @EvaFoxU
15h
“For some items we have less than a week’s supply, and we expect a surge of patients to start coming. This donation from Tesla is incredible,†said Dr. Waldorf from UW Medicine
Red heart
Thank you @Tesla @elonmusk
Red heart
#Tesla
Elon Musk and Tesla Sent 50K Units of N95 Mask To UW Medicine
UW Medicine also received masks from Tesla and its CEO. 50,000 masks designed to protect the health of medical personnel in the hospital were delivered to Dr. Kristina Adams Waldorf.
tesmanian.com
Elon Musk @elonmusk
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13h
Supply chain logistics — getting masks & other PPE to the right places in time — is the main issue we’re hearing from ER physicians
Pauline
Rocket @justpaulinelol
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13h
News about the ventilators?
Elon Musk @elonmusk
Replying to
@justpaulinelol
@EvaFoxU
and
@Tesla
We expect to have over ~1200 to distribute this week. Getting them delivered, installed & operating is the harder part.
6:58 PM · Mar 22, 2020
https://www.tesmanian.com/blogs/tesmanian-blog/elon-musk-and-tesla-sent-50k-units-of-n95-mask-to-uw-research (https://www.tesmanian.com/blogs/tesmanian-blog/elon-musk-and-tesla-sent-50k-units-of-n95-mask-to-uw-research)
Elon Musk and Tesla Sent 50K Units of N95 Mask To UW Medicine
This is INCREDIBLY good news!! The mask shortage is putting our front line defenders in grave risk. If we lose them, we lose many, many more.
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This is INCREDIBLY good news!! The mask shortage is putting our front line defenders in grave risk. If we lose them, we lose many, many more.
America is pretty incredible when it works together @musiclady
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America is pretty incredible when it works together @musiclady
I totally agree! Crises like this bring out the worst in a few, but the very, very best in most Americans.
I’m actually feeling some pride in this country that I thought was long gone....
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America is pretty incredible when it works together @musiclady
Agreed! We are truly blessed to be in this country. (You are off of ignore) :laugh:
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Excerpt the Democrats blocking that bill to help out the common man. The Democrats should be in the dustbin of history, their platform and aims are evil.... here and there, there may be exceptions.
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2020-03-23 09:30 CDT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global | 6.46 ↓ | 3.57 ↑ |
| US/Can/Mex | 0.50 ↓ | 153.54 ↑ |
| China | 30.36 ↑ | 0.82 ↓ |
Seven more recoveries - 4 US, 3 CAN - in last 24 hrs.
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Agreed! We are truly blessed to be in this country. (You are off of ignore) :laugh:
@mrpotatohead I missed you my friend. 0052
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2020-03-23 09:30 CDT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global | 6.46 ↓ | 3.57 ↑ |
| US/Can/Mex | 0.50 ↓ | 153.54 ↑ |
| China | 30.36 ↑ | 0.82 ↓ |
Seven more recoveries - 4 US, 3 CAN - in last 24 hrs.
But a huge spike in deaths and new cases. Alas, declines the past couple days look like statistical noise. **nononono*
Eventually this social distancing has to work.
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The headline caught my eye, then I read the piece. All they are saying is it hasn't really struck Russia too terribly bad yet. So, I don't see how they can project that it could be so devastating.
Kremlin Knows Hell Is Coming…The People Don’t
by L Todd Wood March 22, 2020
I’ve talked to many Russians inside the country and many expats living abroad over the last few weeks. There is a common theme among them — they don’t believe in the Chinese coronavirus.
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He said: ‘What is worrying, in my opinion, is that I do not understand why they do not take samples from all people with pneumonia.
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However, the Kremlin does seem to be worried and is building a large pre-fab hospital outside the country’s capital of Moscow to house 500 patients.
More: https://tsarizm.com/opinion/2020/03/22/kremlin-knows-hell-is-coming-the-people-dont/ (https://tsarizm.com/opinion/2020/03/22/kremlin-knows-hell-is-coming-the-people-dont/)
They are building that hospital, that is some preparation.
DEMOCRATS HOLD AMERICA HOSTAGE FOR SOCIALISM!
by CD Media StaffMarch 23, 2020
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The new collective bargaining powers alone detailed below will forever alter the fabric of America, installing socialism instead of a capitalistic economy.
Think about it…the Democratic Party is using the crisis created by the Chinese Communist Party as a weapon to communize the United States of America.
Via senior GOP aide, Schumer/Pelosi now pushing these demands amid pandemic-fueled economic collapse:
Read more at: https://creativedestructionmedia.com/news/markets/2020/03/23/democrats-hold-america-hostage-for-socialism/ (https://creativedestructionmedia.com/news/markets/2020/03/23/democrats-hold-america-hostage-for-socialism/)
Adversaries eye U.S. focus on coronavirus as opportunity to flex muscles
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/mar/22/charles-dunlap-adversaries-eye-us-focus-coronaviru/?utm_source=onesignal&utm_campaign=pushnotify&utm_medium=push (https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/mar/22/charles-dunlap-adversaries-eye-us-focus-coronaviru/?utm_source=onesignal&utm_campaign=pushnotify&utm_medium=push)
One thing I'll say for the stats, it might have changed but over the weekend, deaths were something like 1% of all confirmed cases, that's a bit lower than we've been told, however, when deaths in the USA are now nearing 500, that's a fairly relative statement. There was even an article in the media, maybe Gateway Pundit mentioning this.
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https://twitter.com/SenMcSallyAZ/status/1241908636663848960
Martha McSally @SenMcSallyAZ
I couldn't agree more @kyrstensinema
. As we ask all Americans to sacrifice their livelihoods and alter their behavior to save lives, we must ourselves model appropriate #coronavirus behavior. No one is too important to disregard guidance to self-quarantine pending test results.
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Kyrsten Sinema @kyrstensinema
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I’ve never commented about a fellow Senator’s choices/actions. Never once.
This, America, is absolutely irresponsible. You cannot be near other people while waiting for coronavirus test results. It endangers others & likely increases the spread of the virus. https://twitter.com/seungminkim/status/1241799144559251456
9:04 PM · Mar 22, 2020
Look at this commie/lib Senator going after a patriot Senator just because he selfishly disregarded the Presidents 15 day guideline. I don't want to live in an America where a US Senator can't mindlessly ignore that test results are pending. What is this Russia?
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13859 Pipe down peasants!!!
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New York update:
Up another 5k statewide to 20k cases. Same as yesterday, not exponential. Either social distancing is starting to work or statistical noise, not sure.
621 in the ICU, 2635 hospitalized. Both still well below 3200 and 53000 ICUs and beds respectively that are in the entire state. Cuomo has now instructed hospitals to up capacity by 50%. Also looking ahead to plans to reopen business.
It appears things are starting to work.
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New York update:
Up another 5k statewide to 20k cases. Same as yesterday, not exponential. Either social distancing is starting to work or statistical noise, not sure.
621 in the ICU, 2635 hospitalized. Both still well below 3200 and 53000 ICUs and beds respectively that are in the entire state. Cuomo has now instructed hospitals to up capacity by 50%. Also looking ahead to plans to reopen business.
It appears things are starting to work.
Well, that simply won't do.
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New York update:
Up another 5k statewide to 20k cases. Same as yesterday, not exponential. Either social distancing is starting to work or statistical noise, not sure.
621 in the ICU, 2635 hospitalized. Both still well below 3200 and 53000 ICUs and beds respectively that are in the entire state. Cuomo has now instructed hospitals to up capacity by 50%. Also looking ahead to plans to reopen business.
It appears things are starting to work.
That is fantastic news @jmyrlefuller thanx for sharing it...I really really needed that.
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https://twitter.com/SenMcSallyAZ/status/12419086366638489609:04 PM · Mar 22, 2020
Look at this commie/lib Senator going after a patriot Senator just because he selfishly disregarded the Presidents 15 day guideline. I don't want to live in an America where a US Senator can't mindlessly ignore that test results are pending. What is this Russia?
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13859 Pipe down peasants!!!
Please stop. Snark is really not helpful.
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Please stop. Snark is really not helpful.
Rand Paul deserves to be shamed. As does any other politician asking me to sacrifice while they do what they want, and ignore my President and this crisis. FLICK RAND PAUL. I hope Rand's positive test, and his upcoming isolation bring the fear of God into him and remind him of the little people who wipe up his germs. I'm not saying he's a self centered isolationist pr*ck...much.
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Rand Paul deserves to be shamed. As does any other politician asking me to sacrifice while they do what they want, and ignore my President and this crisis. FLICK RAND PAUL. I hope Rand's positive test, and his upcoming isolation bring the fear of God into him and remind him of the little people who wipe up his germs. I'm not saying he's a self centered isolationist bleep...much.
That depends on if Rand asked for a test because he thought he might be sick or if the testing is done on a regular basis for all the senators to minimize the risk of spread at the top levels of government.
If he thought he might be sick and asked for a test, your point is well taken. If this testing was part of a wider screening process then not so much.
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Rand Paul deserves to be shamed. As does any other politician asking me to sacrifice while they do what they want, and ignore my President and this crisis. FLICK RAND PAUL. I hope Rand's positive test, and his upcoming isolation bring the fear of God into him and remind him of the little people who wipe up his germs. I'm not saying he's a self centered isolationist bleep...much.
Here's what Rand had to say about it:
But in an extensive statement Monday afternoon, Paul defended his handling of the situation, saying he got tested simply because he and his wife had traveled extensively in recent weeks and he's at higher risk due to having part of his lung removed following an assault.
"I felt that it was highly unlikely that I was positive since I have had no symptoms of the illness, nor have I had contact with anyone who has either tested positive for the virus or been sick," he said.
Paul said he remains "asymptomatic" and said to his critics: “For those who want to criticize me for lack of quarantine, realize that if the rules on testing had been followed to a tee, I would never have been tested and would still be walking around the halls of the Capitol. The current guidelines would not have called for me to get tested nor quarantined. It was my extra precaution, out of concern for my damaged lung, that led me to get tested.
"Perhaps it is too much to ask that we simply have compassion for our fellow Americans who are sick or fearful of becoming so. ... The broader the testing and the less finger-pointing we have, the better."
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Here's what Rand had to say about it:
But in an extensive statement Monday afternoon, Paul defended his handling of the situation, saying he got tested simply because he and his wife had traveled extensively in recent weeks and he's at higher risk due to having part of his lung removed following an assault.
"I felt that it was highly unlikely that I was positive since I have had no symptoms of the illness, nor have I had contact with anyone who has either tested positive for the virus or been sick," he said.
Paul said he remains "asymptomatic" and said to his critics: “For those who want to criticize me for lack of quarantine, realize that if the rules on testing had been followed to a tee, I would never have been tested and would still be walking around the halls of the Capitol. The current guidelines would not have called for me to get tested nor quarantined. It was my extra precaution, out of concern for my damaged lung, that led me to get tested.
"Perhaps it is too much to ask that we simply have compassion for our fellow Americans who are sick or fearful of becoming so. ... The broader the testing and the less finger-pointing we have, the better."
Thanks for the post @DB it is nice to know Senator Paul inflicted the virus upon countless because of his he knew he should have been tested anyways. What a guy. 888heartkitty
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Thanks for the post @DB it is nice to know Senator Paul inflicted the virus upon countless because of his he knew he should have been tested anyways. What a guy. 888heartkitty
You just have to gripe about a Republican, don't you? Can't find a Democrat to complain about?
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You just have to gripe about a Republican, don't you? Can't find a Democrat to complain about?
Perhaps you can point me to one that is ignoring, scoffing, or complaining about the Presidents 15 day plan @Cyber Liberty .
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Perhaps you can point me to one that is ignoring, scoffing, or complaining about the Presidents 15 day plan @Cyber Liberty .
Well, you could try complaining about Pelosi and Schumer killing the emergency funding bill again. They just did it again for the second day in a row. Pelosi is standing firm the government must bail out Planned Parenthood.
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Social distancing today...
Not for nothing, but 2012 is a really good movie on your big screen if you haven't seen it in awhile.
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Well, you could try complaining about Pelosi and Schumer killing the emergency funding bill again. They just did it again for the second day in a row. Pelosi is standing firm the government must bail out Planned Parenthood.
Bail out Planned Parenthood.....please...please....NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
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Bail out Planned Parenthood.....please...please....NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
Did you see any response to my suggestion?
:Cricket: :Cricket: :Cricket:
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You just have to gripe about a Republican, don't you? Can't find a Democrat to complain about?
He's on permanent ignore with me and I like it that way!
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Gov. Tom Wolf to issue stay-at-home order for 7 counties including Philadelphia, suburbs, and Allegheny County
Gov. Tom Wolf is expected to issue a “stay-at-home†order today for Philadelphia and its suburbs, as well as Monroe and Allegheny Counties, taking the fight against the coronavirus to a new level by requiring residents to remain inside except for essential trips such as buying food or seeking medical help.
The order will apply to Philadelphia, Bucks, Chester, Delaware, and Montgomery Counties in the southeast, Monroe County in the northeast, and Allegheny County in Western Pennsylvania, according to four sources with knowledge of the governor’s plans.
https://www.bing.com/search?q=Wolf+Stay-at-home+order&form=ANSPH1&refig=37c4aadc30e4414983f16f7e4cff55a9&sp=-1&pq=wolf+stay-at-home+order&sc=0-23&qs=n&sk=&cvid=37c4aadc30e4414983f16f7e4cff55a9 (https://www.bing.com/search?q=Wolf+Stay-at-home+order&form=ANSPH1&refig=37c4aadc30e4414983f16f7e4cff55a9&sp=-1&pq=wolf+stay-at-home+order&sc=0-23&qs=n&sk=&cvid=37c4aadc30e4414983f16f7e4cff55a9)
Sounds to me like Trump and the Goobernor will be clashing if Trump pushes for businesses to reopen and for people to go back to work.
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How many senate Democrats are on the CHICOM payroll?
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Democrats in the House have now crafted a new 1,400 page bill (man that was done fast...almost like they already had it ready) that they passed without debate today. Here are just a few things Democrats are holding up the Coronavirus Relief Bill for:
-Corporate Board Diversity
-College Debt "relief"
-Election Auditing
-Canceling the debt of the Postal Service
-Same-day voter registration
-Requiring airlines to offset their emissions
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Democrats in the House have now crafted a new 1,400 page bill (man that was done fast...almost like they already had it ready) that they passed without debate today. Here are just a few things Democrats are holding up the Coronavirus Relief Bill for:
-Corporate Board Diversity
-College Debt "relief"
-Election Auditing
-Canceling the debt of the Postal Service
-Same-day voter registration
-Requiring airlines to offset their emissions
The line item veto would be a great tool right now...
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The line item veto would be a great tool right now...
It sure would!
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The line item veto would be a great tool right now...
Ain't nobody watched Boy in the Bubble? Put them quarantined Senators in a portable quarantine and park their fat asses on the floor.
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The line item veto would be a great tool right now...
The Senate needs to strip all that out, and send it back to the House.
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The Senate needs to strip all that out, and send it back to the House.
Yeah... Including the 1.8 TRILLION part.
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The Senate needs to strip all that out, and send it back to the House.
The bill the Rats killed two days in a row doesn't have those provisions. That's why they voted against it.
IOW, they are already stripped out.
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The media needs to have a severe rectal exam by the FCC after this craziness is over. They have done more to instill fear and panic in people...repeat Liberal talking points and carry the water for the DNC than any politician in DC. It's reckless...dangerous and irresponsible on their part and they need to somehow be made to pay for it.
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The media needs to have a severe rectal exam by the FCC after this craziness is over. They have done more to instill fear and panic in people...repeat Liberal talking points and carry the water for the DNC than any politician in DC. It's reckless...dangerous and irresponsible on their part and they need to somehow be made to pay for it.
Right. But wish in one hand...
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The bill the Rats killed two days in a row doesn't have those provisions. That's why they voted against it.
IOW, they are already stripped out.
Then let this ping pong match continue ad infinitum. Don't cave.
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Then let this ping pong match continue ad infinitum. Don't cave.
Exactly. McConnell and Trump have got to hang tough on this one.
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The media needs to have a severe rectal exam by the FCC after this craziness is over. They have done more to instill fear and panic in people...repeat Liberal talking points and carry the water for the DNC than any politician in DC. It's reckless...dangerous and irresponsible on their part and they need to somehow be made to pay for it.
FCC regulated broadcast media only don't they?
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Exactly. McConnell and Trump have got to hang tough on this one.
Not gonna help for them to hang tough if Dem's are holding closed door meetings with SecTreas Mnuchin. They seem to think he's the weak link to get more of what they want.
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Not gonna help for them to hang tough if Dem's are holding closed door meetings with SecTreas Mnuchin. They seem to think he's the weak link to get more of what they want.
He probably is. Does any of this matter when the Rat Press will bash McConnell, Trump AND Mnuchin for this?
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FCC regulated broadcast media only don't they?
Yup and that's were most of the irresponsible reporting is coming from. It's a lot easier to go after the broadcast (radio and tv) media for their recklessness than it is the print media.
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He probably is. Does any of this matter when the Rat Press will bash McConnell, Trump AND Mnuchin for this?
So far the Rat Press has left Mnuchin's name out of it except to talk about how he's working with Dem leadership.
But the tone on Capitol Hill wasn’t totally negative after Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., said disagreements over the bill could be overcome in the next 24 hours. A spokesman for Schumer later added the senator and Mnuchin had a “productive meeting.â€
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/23/mnuchin-says-congress-is-very-close-to-a-stimulus-agreement-and-must-get-it-done-today.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/23/mnuchin-says-congress-is-very-close-to-a-stimulus-agreement-and-must-get-it-done-today.html)
Dems know who the weak/friendly link is in the Trump administration. I have a sick feeling Pelosi will get most of what she wants and the official WH line will be "we had to in order to get the stimulus money to the people".
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So far the Rat Press has left Mnuchin's name out of it except to talk about how he's working with Dem leadership.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/23/mnuchin-says-congress-is-very-close-to-a-stimulus-agreement-and-must-get-it-done-today.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/23/mnuchin-says-congress-is-very-close-to-a-stimulus-agreement-and-must-get-it-done-today.html)
Dems know who the weak/friendly link is in the Trump administration. I have a sick feeling Pelosi will get most of what she wants and the official WH line will be "we had to in order to get the stimulus money to the people".
I get that same sick feeling. The Rats will get their Christmas Tree.
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I get that same sick feeling. The Rats will get their Christmas Tree.
And no one on the Republican side will move to repeal any of it once the apocalypse is over.
It will become the new normal just like all the other crap like this that the Dems pull.
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Food for thought:
How much is the shortages of medical equipment a direct result of the taxes placed on said equipment by Obamacare?
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Daniel Horowitz
@RMConservative
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I'm a governor. Isn't it horrendous 35k die a year of car accidents? I declare a complete suspension of car traffic. If we can save just one life. #Orwell #ChinaVirus
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And no one on the Republican side will move to repeal any of it once the apocalypse is over.
It will become the new normal just like all the other crap like this that the Dems pull.
It is beyond stupid for the Republicans to continually allow this. A sizeable chunk of this money will end up funding Democrat campaigns. Look at all the money that Planned Parenthood donates to Dem candidates - money that is given to them from the taxpayer.
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It is beyond stupid for the Republicans to continually allow this. A sizeable chunk of this money will end up funding Democrat campaigns. Look at all the money that Planned Parenthood donates to Dem candidates - money that is given to them from the taxpayer.
Makes absolutely no sense at all.
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Makes absolutely no sense at all.
It makes perfect sense...if you're a Rat.
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Daniel Horowitz
@RMConservative
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I'm a governor. Isn't it horrendous 35k die a year of car accidents? I declare a complete suspension of car traffic. If we can save just one life. #Orwell #ChinaVirus
But when a first responder goes to the scene of a car accident, he or she isn’t in danger of getting into (contracting) a car accident due to exposure, the doctors and nurses who treat the victims of car accidents are not in danger of getting into (contracting) a car accident due to exposure. Patients in the hospital for other reasons are not in danger of getting into (contracting) a car accident due to exposure.
Stupid comparison.
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But when a first responder goes to the scene of a car accident, he or she isn’t in danger of getting into (contracting) a car accident due to exposure, the doctors and nurses who treat the victims of car accidents are not in danger of getting into (contracting) a car accident due to exposure. Patients in the hospital for other reasons are not in danger of getting into (contracting) a car accident due to exposure.
Stupid comparison.
Not stupid at all.
He's highlighting how the same reasoning for shutting down the entire country over what it in reality a handful of deaths from Chinese Corona Virus could be applied to other forms of what anyone could turn into a crisis with the same reasoning being used now.
Car accidents obesity gun deaths...the list goes on.
Using the guise of a "pandemic" to do what we see going on now is the proverbial camel's nose under the tent flap for what Liberals can and will do in the future in order to "save just one life".
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But when a first responder goes to the scene of a car accident, he or she isn’t in danger of getting into (contracting) a car accident due to exposure, the doctors and nurses who treat the victims of car accidents are not in danger of getting into (contracting) a car accident due to exposure. Patients in the hospital for other reasons are not in danger of getting into (contracting) a car accident due to exposure.
Stupid comparison.
It appears most people do okay when infected with this but some people do very badly regardless of age or health. It is the not knowing which outcome will happen to you that drives the larger problem. There are now lots of stories about young healthy people being put into ICU or worse by this.
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It appears most people do okay when infected with this but some people do very badly regardless of age or health. It is the not knowing which outcome will happen to you that drives the larger problem. There are now lots of stories about young healthy people being put into ICU or worse by this.
Are you watching the administration briefing right now? They just explicitly said young people, or people under 50, have very little to worry about with this virus.
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Not stupid at all.
He's highlighting how the same reasoning for shutting down the entire country over what it in reality a handful of deaths from Chinese Corona Virus could be applied to other forms of what anyone could turn into a crisis with the same reasoning being used now.
Car accidents obesity gun deaths...the list goes on.
Using the guise of a "pandemic" to do what we see going on now is the proverbial camel's nose under the tent flap for what Liberals can and will do in the future in order to "save just one life".
We must never forget: Never let a crisis go to waste. I'm Mr. Broken Record today.
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It appears most people do okay when infected with this but some people do very badly regardless of age or health. It is the not knowing which outcome will happen to you that drives the larger problem. There are now lots of stories about young healthy people being put into ICU or worse by this.
The thing is, is because this is a novel virus, no one has any immunity. Even if one doesn’t become severely or deadly ill, they can still be too sick to work for a week or more. Now if a significant number of those too sick to work or having to quarantine are first responders and doctors and nurses, that is a serious problem.
The other key point, specifically when it comes to comparing COVID-19 to influenza is that most if not all healthcare workers get influenza vaccinations and while not perfect, afford some measure of protection in addition to those who have immunity from prior exposure to similar influenza strains. We also have proven treatments for influenza. We do not yet have a COVID-19 vaccination.
And while some like to compare the deaths and serious illnesses (so far) from COVID-19 to other causes of death, remember this is on top of those.
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Are you watching the administration briefing right now? They just explicitly said young people, or people under 50, have very little to worry about with this virus.
I don't know what to tell you. There news report that I read today that something like 40% of the people in ICU in New York are less than 44 or something not too far from that (I don't remember exactly).
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The thing is, is because this is a novel virus, no one has any immunity. Even if one doesn’t become severely or deadly ill, they can still be too sick to work for a week or more. Now if a significant number of those too sick to work or having to quarantine are first responders and doctors and nurses, that is a serious problem.
The other key point, specifically when it comes to comparing COVID-19 to influenza is that most if not all healthcare workers get influenza vaccinations and while not perfect, afford some measure of protection in addition to those who have immunity from prior exposure to similar influenza strains. We also have proven treatments for influenza. We do not yet have a COVID-19 vaccination.
And while some like to compare the deaths and serious illnesses (so far) from COVID-19 to other causes of death, remember this is on top of those.
Just to be clear, I wasn't arguing against your point at all. Same goes to police departments etc.
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We must never forget: Never let a crisis go to waste. I'm Mr. Broken Record today.
I know the feeling.
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Are you watching the administration briefing right now? They just explicitly said young people, or people under 50, have very little to worry about with this virus.
Okay, I found one story. I didn't get it quite right.
"Nearly one-third of confirmed cases in the U.S., and 20% of those hospitalized, were between the ages 20 and 44, according to CDC data released last week."
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronavirus-florida-spring-break-test-positive-covid-19-college-students-not-social-distancing-university-of-tampa/ (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronavirus-florida-spring-break-test-positive-covid-19-college-students-not-social-distancing-university-of-tampa/)
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Kevin McCarthy was on Mark Levin's show saying one of the nasty tricks Pelosi is trying to pull in her new bill is a reduction in the ICE budget.
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Phill Graham once prophesied that we would wind up hunting Democrats with dogs. He may yet be proven right.
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Trump is kicking Ass in this Briefing.
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Okay, I found one story. I didn't get it quite right.
"Nearly one-third of confirmed cases in the U.S., and 20% of those hospitalized, were between the ages 20 and 44, according to CDC data released last week."
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronavirus-florida-spring-break-test-positive-covid-19-college-students-not-social-distancing-university-of-tampa/ (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronavirus-florida-spring-break-test-positive-covid-19-college-students-not-social-distancing-university-of-tampa/)
...and younger people have a much better rate of surviving the ICU, once hospitalized.
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Phill Graham once prophesied that we would wind up hunting Democrats with dogs. He may yet be proven right.
Where can I sign up for one?
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Where can I sign up for one?
(https://www.memecreator.org/static/images/memes/4289988.jpg)
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Just a thought, don't mean nuthin', but...
... isn't it about time to close off this thread, and open up a fresh one?
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Are you watching the administration briefing right now? They just explicitly said young people, or people under 50, have very little to worry about with this virus.
If this never pans out, it does sound farfetched. But I'd hate to learn later it's true.
Chinese Scientists Raise Concerns Over Potential Link Between Coronavirus and Male Fertility
https://www.newsweek.com/chinese-scientists-coronavirus-male-fertility-1488235 (https://www.newsweek.com/chinese-scientists-coronavirus-male-fertility-1488235)
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Where can I sign up for one?
For a few of the more odious ones I know you don't need no dog.
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Are you watching the administration briefing right now? They just explicitly said young people, or people under 50, have very little to worry about with this virus.
Well, that's not true.
It may not kill anyone under 40, but it's still a pretty nasty infection. And given that the younger ones are more likely to travel and congregate in large crowds, they're spreading the disease faster.
The good news? It skews the death rate down.
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Well, that's not true.
It may not kill anyone under 40, but it's still a pretty nasty infection. And given that the younger ones are more likely to travel and congregate in large crowds, they're spreading the disease faster.
That was Dr Birx point - the worst 99.98% of infected in reasonably good health under 60 only have to worry about is a 'nasty infection', not death or even a night in the ICU, which is what I suspect a large percentage of the population think right now.
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Progressive Twitter Troll: Blah blah blah Corona Virus is Trump's fault!
Me: replies with factual information
PTT: ORANGE MAN BAD!
Me: More factual information to refute Lib talking points
PTT: "This member limits who can see their tweets"
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(https://cdnph.upi.com/sv/ph/og/upi/7311584566447/2020/1/1937bc6c56f592f692d1ff241f56d784/v1.5/Dr-Deborah-Birx-leverages-military-HIV-background-in-COVID-19-fight.jpg)
I love this woman, Cruz/Birx 2024.
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Ain't nobody watched Boy in the Bubble? Put them quarantined Senators in a portable quarantine and park their fat asses on the floor.
LOLOLOLOLOLOL....great idea!
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Thanks for the post @DB it is nice to know Senator Paul inflicted the virus upon countless because of his he knew he should have been tested anyways. What a guy. 888heartkitty
Countless?
[Please, no personal attacks. -Mod2]
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That was Dr Birx point - the worst 99.98% of infected in reasonably good health under 60 only have to worry about is a 'nasty infection', not death or even a night in the ICU, which is what I suspect a large percentage of the population think right now.
Did you read the article I linked above?
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Democrats in the House have now crafted a new 1,400 page bill (man that was done fast...almost like they already had it ready) that they passed without debate today. Here are just a few things Democrats are holding up the Coronavirus Relief Bill for:
-Corporate Board Diversity
-College Debt "relief"
-Election Auditing
-Canceling the debt of the Postal Service
-Same-day voter registration
-Requiring airlines to offset their emissions
I just wrote my Senators and told them to vote no on this pork.
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I just wrote my Senators and told them to vote no on this pork.
Thank you! I did the same and added keep voting no for as long as it takes.
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I just wrote my Senators and told them to vote no on this pork.
Millions of Americans have been adversely affected by this virus and these s.o.b's want to play "Let's Make a Deal"! Same day voter registration? Gee ... hmmm I wonder if this is nothing more than a last ditch effort to oust Trump??? If we can't get him on collusion, impeachment, hell, let's ruin the economy by creating some kind of disaster ... and Uncle Joe's Chinese partners were more than happy to accommodate.
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That was Dr Birx point - the worst 99.98% of infected in reasonably good health under 60 only have to worry about is a 'nasty infection', not death or even a night in the ICU, which is what I suspect a large percentage of the population think right now.
From the article I posted about 30% of the total confirmed cases are between the ages of 20 and 44 and 20% of those are also hospitalized. That's about 6% of the total confirmed cases that are in that age range and are hospitalized. They don't give you a hospital bed unless they consider it serious.
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Using the guise of a "pandemic" to do what we see going on now is the proverbial camel's nose under the tent flap for what Liberals can and will do in the future in order to "save just one life".
Unless this happens to be the life.
(http://cdn.images.dailystar.co.uk/dynamic/33/photos/16000/620x/pregnant-woman-438572.jpg)
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Unless this happens to be the life.
(http://cdn.images.dailystar.co.uk/dynamic/33/photos/16000/620x/pregnant-woman-438572.jpg)
Yup...
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Just a thought, don't mean nuthin', but...
... isn't it about time to close off this thread, and open up a fresh one?
@Cyber Liberty : @Fishrrman
I agree, the thread is sprawling too much, I think it would be best for the forum to start up another thread. 100 pages should be enough.
Lock the thread, and use some story, maybe even one of the threads on the first page of the health forum to start one up... because this will be with us for at least, some months.
Lock it and return it to the regular forum area, first post on this one was I think Jan. 16th, now, we are at March 23rd, it will soon be April.
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Just so everyone is aware, it is fairly likely this virus will happen in more than one wave. Especially if the first wave was slowed by quarantine.
The Spanish Flu occurred in 3 waves. The second wave being the deadliest I believe.
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BOHICA
(https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/b/woman-doctor-blue-medical-uniform-sterile-gloves-hands-mask-face-gray-background-woman-doctor-100174676.jpg)
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She would have died anyways eventually...
Said no decent American.
At some point, whatever the reason,, if you can't breathe, you get help.
Wait on a test result? Nope.
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Just so everyone is aware, it is fairly likely this virus will happen in more than one wave. Especially if the first wave was slowed by quarantine.
The Spanish Flu occurred in 3 waves. The second wave being the deadliest I believe.
It may, or it may not. If there is a second wave next winter, our experiences with it will allow for smarter, less disruptive response.
SARS reappeared a year and a half after it was squashed. The second effort got rid of it for good.
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It may, or it may not. If there is a second wave next winter, our experiences with it will allow for smarter, less disruptive response.
SARS reappeared a year and a half after it was squashed. The second effort got rid of it for good.
The problem is if it is effectively blocked from spreading by quarantine many people still have no immunity to it. Then when they let their guard down a few months later it comes around in full swing again because it was never fully eradicated the first time and a large number of people are still susceptible. About the time it is quiet here it could be expanding south of the border for example.
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No amount of self isolation will result in the eradication of this virus. We could stay home three months and begin resuming normal life, and the virus will come back. It could mutate, but there is no guarantee of that, and I do not believe hoping for that is a strategy.
We need to resume life now, or there will be far more dead from despair than this virus will kill. The malaria medication looks promising.
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Are you insane?
Or just hysterical?
[That's enough. - Mod2]
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NY update: cases up to 25,665. Under 5,000 new cases—in raw numbers slightly below yesterday's new caseload and that of the day before. This, coming roughly two weeks after distancing measures started, is a sign they are working. Projecting peak in total cases in early April.
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It may, or it may not. If there is a second wave next winter, our experiences with it will allow for smarter, less disruptive response.
SARS reappeared a year and a half after it was squashed. The second effort got rid of it for good.
That is why the medical experts continue to press for social isolation.
No, it will not get rid of the virus....... no one is saying that. But the medical community will have experience in treating this, and we will be that much closer to a vaccine.
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Another Governor predicted a high percentage of people of his state will get it again but he said most will be alright. Well, we will see. It's not the most comforting thing to hear.
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I've heard that no one should be getting flu shot right now. That getting the flu shot depresses the immune system and if you get exposed to the Wuhan virus while it is depressed you're more likely to get seriously sick.
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I've heard that no one should be getting flu shot right now. That getting the flu shot depresses the immune system and if you get exposed to the Wuhan virus while it is depressed you're more likely to get seriously sick.
Nobody really gets the flu shot in the springtime anyway.
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUz7GXgVmTg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUz7GXgVmTg#)
BREAKING: President Donald Trump Town Hall | FOX News
FOX 10 Phoenix
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Nobody really gets the flu shot in the springtime anyway.
Right. Most are given in the fall.
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I did seek out a flu shot one spring but ultimately, did not get it, I believe I decided that I was suffering from allergies.
In other news, Harvard president tests positive for Covid-19.
https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/03/24/metro/harvard-president-tests-positive-coronavirus/?s_campaign=breakingnews:newsletter (https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/03/24/metro/harvard-president-tests-positive-coronavirus/?s_campaign=breakingnews:newsletter)
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Tom Nichols @RadioFreeTom
Trump has now set Easter as the date for having the country "opened up and raring to go."
Fox anchor says "That would be a great American resurrection!"
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I miss Dr Fauci
300,000 tests over the last week is great. They should keep focused, because it is far cry from the millions promised 2 weeks ago. Be Best
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If nobody posted it, "WHO cautions US could become next epicenter.
https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/prevention-cures/489179-who-cautions-us-could-become-next-epicenter-of
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"But we've got a good test. We've done more in 8 days...nobody knows that. I just heard this number a few minutes ago, I learned it from being on your show...actually...pretty impressive." - President Trump just now
Pretty impressive indeed Mr. President.
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If nobody posted it, "WHO cautions US could become next epicenter.
https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/prevention-cures/489179-who-cautions-us-could-become-next-epicenter-of
This is the same WHO who declared China was NOT the epicenter? Yeah, they just ooze with credibility.
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Gospel singer, Sandi Patty has tested positive for coronavirus, so she and her husband Don are quarantined.
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Lee Zeldin @leezeldin
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Update: After working w/ incoming WH Chief of Staff @RepMarkMeadows & @NYGovCuomo 's office, 4000 more ventilators are being sent from @fema
to NY over the next 24 hours. Working to secure more now to be best prepared for the coming days & weeks in case this pace continues.
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Great questions from Dr. Nicole Saphier during the Fox Coronavirus Town Hall with President Trump with half as much President Trump. They should do this with the press conferences. Let the experts present the information and address concerns, then bring out the President for the last hour ( with commercials ) to quiz him on what he learned.
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Great questions from Dr. Nicole Saphier during the Fox Coronavirus Town Hall with President Trump with half as much President Trump. They should do this with the press conferences. Let the experts present the information and address concerns, then bring out the President for the last hour ( with commercials ) to quiz him on what he learned.
888mouth
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Great questions from Dr. Nicole Saphier during the Fox Coronavirus Town Hall with President Trump with half as much President Trump. They should do this with the press conferences. Let the experts present the information and address concerns, then bring out the President for the last hour ( with commercials ) to quiz him on what he learned.
*hmmmm*
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https://abc13.com/6042444/
Coronavirus Relief: Lionel Richie proposes 'We Are the World' remake for COVID-19 aid
NOPE! Forget the bills, the incessant hand washing till my hands are raw, and the quarantine. I am ready to go now.
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Not sure what is happening to the numbers. Yesterday, there were nearly 200 reported recoveries in the US. Today, only 35. The State of New York had listed around 150 recoveries yesterday. Today, they list zero.
2020-03-24 15:00 CDT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global | 5.64 ↓ | 3.95 ↑ |
| US/Can/Mex | 0.28 ↓ | 289.77 ↑ |
| China | 22.32 ↑ | 1.11 ↓ |
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President Trump's denial that he said the tests were perfect in Feb was a mistake because the video is out. So was saying the 1918 influenza pandemic had a 50% mortality rate.
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Not sure what is happening to the numbers. Yesterday, there were nearly 200 reported recoveries in the US. Today, only 35. The State of New York had listed around 150 recoveries yesterday. Today, they list zero.
2020-03-24 15:00 CDT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global | 5.64 ↓ | 3.95 ↑ |
| US/Can/Mex | 0.28 ↓ | 289.77 ↑ |
| China | 22.32 ↑ | 1.11 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/) tallies 370 recoveries in the US
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I feel safer. I just got a postcard from the President today. I also got a second notification to fill out the Census, which I did two days ago.
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Confirmed cases in Michigan: 1335
Confirmed case in Ohio: 566
Michigan delayed a week behind Ohio instituting the safety measures to keep their citizens safe.
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I feel safer. I just got a postcard from the President today. I also got a second notification to fill out the Census, which I did two days ago.
When I received the first census demand I completed it that same day via the Internet. That was at least several days ago. And yesterday I received a second notice to do it... What?
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https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/) tallies 370 recoveries in the US
@Once-Ler , thanks for the link. I will use it as a basis from now on. The China numbers matched, but the rest did not. However, it showed
320 recoveries in Canada yesterday, but only 112 today, which is about the same discrepancy with the other site.
2020-03-24
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global | 5.83 - | 3.85 - |
| US/Can/Mex | 0.68 - | 114.89 - |
| China | 22.32 - | 1.11 - |
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When I received the first census demand I completed it that same day via the Internet. That was at least several days ago. And yesterday I received a second notice to do it... What?
"We're sending you this letter, and if you don't get it we'll send another!" I just trashed the second one, I did the same as you when I got the first.
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I got a message from my wife's 1st cousin that lives in the Bari region of Southern Italy.
He said the virus was spreading to Southern Italy.
He states they were "closed in the house."
I have known him since 1970 when we met him in Italy, and later when he came to the US to visit.
(my contribution to anecdotal info. His family included a veteranarian, a lawyer, a doctor, an emt-firefighter, a model, school-teachers, a legal immigrant to the US-my deceased MIL)
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@Once-Ler , thanks for the link. I will use it as a basis from now on. The China numbers matched, but the rest did not. However, it showed
320 recoveries in Canada yesterday, but only 112 today, which is about the same discrepancy with the other site.
Looks like statistical noise, to me.
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I think the data, have all sorts of problems.
Definitions. Timeframes. Trustworthiness. Political motivations. Language translations.
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I think the data, have all sorts of problems.
Definitions. Timeframes. Trustworthiness. Political motivations. Language translations.
Agreed
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I think the data, have all sorts of problems.
Definitions. Timeframes. Trustworthiness. Political motivations. Language translations.
Agreed
This is what statistics look like when trying to examine a too-small population of data points. It's just noise.
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This is what statistics look like when trying to examine a too-small population of data points. It's just noise.
Yeah, you can even get climate to plot out like a hockey stick.
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Yeah, you can even get climate to plot out like a hockey stick.
Same Ting.
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Want to see how much each county in America is changing their habits? This crude Social Distancing Scoreboard measures the change in distance traveled to come up with a score for each county.
https://www.unacast.com/covid19/social-distancing-scoreboard (https://www.unacast.com/covid19/social-distancing-scoreboard)
Of course, travel isn't the main driver except perhaps for transporting the virus to new places. It's the large crowds that really drive this stuff.
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Want to see how much each county in America is changing their habits? This crude Social Distancing Scoreboard measures the change in distance traveled to come up with a score for each county.
https://www.unacast.com/covid19/social-distancing-scoreboard (https://www.unacast.com/covid19/social-distancing-scoreboard)
Of course, travel isn't the main driver except perhaps for transporting the virus to new places. It's the large crowds that really drive this stuff.
My County (Mohave, AZ) gets an "F." 12% change in traveling. Oh, we are all zeros, in cases, recoveries and fatalities. We're like, "What pandemic?" It's still bad for business.
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My County (Mohave, AZ) gets an "F." 12% change in traveling. Oh, we are all zeros, in cases, recoveries and fatalities. We're like, "What pandemic?" It's still bad for business.
HAHAHAHA! All the worst counties are in MT.
ANYPLACE in the west is gong to fare poorly by this metric...
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Back by popular demand
***Dr. Fauci ***
BREAKING: President Trump News Conference | 5:30pm Eastern
www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUz7GXgVmTg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUz7GXgVmTg#)
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HAHAHAHA! All the worst counties are in MT.
ANYPLACE in the west is gong to fare poorly by this metric...
A lot of that is because we don't have a lot of choice on traveling, and we can drive and drive without contacting anybody else in the process.
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A lot of that is because we don't have a lot of choice on traveling, and we can drive and drive without contacting anybody else in the process.
Yep. Everything is 100 miles away. And you ain't gonna pass many cars as you're going...
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Want to see how much each county in America is changing their habits? This crude Social Distancing Scoreboard measures the change in distance traveled to come up with a score for each county.
https://www.unacast.com/covid19/social-distancing-scoreboard (https://www.unacast.com/covid19/social-distancing-scoreboard)
Of course, travel isn't the main driver except perhaps for transporting the virus to new places. It's the large crowds that really drive this stuff.
All the Georgia counties that got F's have no cases. The counties with the most cases all got A's.
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Want to see how much each county in America is changing their habits? This crude Social Distancing Scoreboard measures the change in distance traveled to come up with a score for each county.
https://www.unacast.com/covid19/social-distancing-scoreboard (https://www.unacast.com/covid19/social-distancing-scoreboard)
Of course, travel isn't the main driver except perhaps for transporting the virus to new places. It's the large crowds that really drive this stuff.
I think you are right about the crowds, and the fact that driving may disperse the pathogen along main highway corridors.
A few things to point out about the distance traveled metric.
In this end of ND, you have to go 120 miles (if you stay in state) to get to the next big town. The 'Quest for Charmin' could easily rack up 150 miles, if you live between the bigger towns.
While that holds, people who live that far from town and a big-ish box store tend to stock up and only make one trip a month or less, relying on local markets for things like milk and eggs, if they don't grow their own.
With the 'panic', I have little doubt those pantries were checked and the holes filled in, as best as people could, which would provide a surge in miles traveled above average, followed by a serious drop.
Some of the decrease in miles traveled will be due to the oil patch shutting down (because of prices), and some travel will be a result of that, and either is unlikely to do anything but expose those out of work to town, and remove those who still are working from that in-town environment. The work environment provides social distancing, and between the oil patch and farming, a lot of time is spent solo.
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I've heard that no one should be getting flu shot right now. That getting the flu shot depresses the immune system and if you get exposed to the Wuhan virus while it is depressed you're more likely to get seriously sick.
I saw some blurb about this but can't find a link. I'm a bit suspicious as I've never heard that the influenza vaccine depresses the immune system. I'd also like to know things like who did the study and what their sampling size was, etc. :shrug:
Personally I'v found that some of those that are comparing COVID-19 to influenza and being outrage over the # of influenza deaths are some of the same people who are in the anti-vax camp and not likely to get the vaccine for COVID-19 when it comes out. **nononono*
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When I received the first census demand I completed it that same day via the Internet. That was at least several days ago. And yesterday I received a second notice to do it... What?
Same here. I threw my second notice out. Not doing it twice.
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My County (Mohave, AZ) gets an "F." 12% change in traveling. Oh, we are all zeros, in cases, recoveries and fatalities. We're like, "What pandemic?" It's still bad for business.
I have no idea how such data can be gathered with any reliability.
San Bernardino County near you is the largest in the lower 48. Much of it sparsely populated, part of it fairly densely populated in the wide Lost Angeles metro area.
That county portrays my father's law of statistics "the average person, has one tit, and one testicle" Ever heard a college grad that he learned that in university years?
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I saw some blurb about this but can't find a link. I'm a bit suspicious as I've never heard that the influenza vaccine depresses the immune system. I'd also like to know things like who did the study and what their sampling size was, etc. :shrug:
Personally I'v found that some of those that are comparing COVID-19 to influenza and being outrage over the # of influenza deaths are some of the same people who are in the anti-vax camp and not likely to get the vaccine for COVID-19 when it comes out. **nononono*
By the time a vaccine comes out for this coronavirus, it is likely that a vast portion of the population will have been exposed. I honestly believe treatment will have been refined by that point, and a vaccine will be more or less moot. YMMV.
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I have no idea how such data can be gathered with any reliability.
San Bernardino County near you is the largest in the lower 48. Much of it sparsely populated, part of it fairly densely populated in the wide Lost Angeles metro area.
That county portrays my father's law of statistics "the average person, has one tit, and one testicle" Ever heard a college grad that he learned that in university years?
And one ovary...
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Pennsylvania:
... The number of statewide cases increased by 207 overnight, taking the total number of them to 851, affecting 40 counties and including four new deaths, the state Health Department said.
"We expect to see these numbers to continue to increase every day, state Health Department Secretary Rachel Levine said during a livestream update on the illness Tuesday afternoon. "It remains a public health crisis."
Levine said there isn't a treatment for COVID-19 other than drinking fluids, taking acetaminophen for fever, staying at home and resting. ...
source (https://observer-reporter.com/news/localnews/allegheny-county-has-second-coronavirus-death/article_3c690396-6ddf-11ea-b78c-bf762d923949.html)
Is that all the doctors in Pennsylvania are doing?
BTW, just for the fun of it, here's "Rachel":
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Yeah, he's a guy, so ....
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At present, doctors are permitted to prescribe Chloroquine off-label (= for other than it's approved use). So Health Department Secretary Rachel Levine is technically correct but factually less than correct. It's a "definition of 'is'" thingy.
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At present, doctors are permitted to prescribe Chloroquine off-label (= for other than it's approved use). So Health Department Secretary Rachel Levine is technically correct but factually less than correct. It's a "definition of 'is'" thingy.
She doesn't want to be accused of telling people to drink Drano.
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BTW, just for the fun of it, here's "Rachel":
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Yeah, he's a guy, so ....
Married? or just hasn't found the right... :pondering:...*hmmmm*...*bouche*... 888what
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Married? or just hasn't found the right... :pondering:...*hmmmm*...*bouche*... 888what
Sorry, but I'm a mite skeptical of health information from the apparently gender confused.
Hydroxychloroquine (Plaquenil) and Azithromycin (Zithromax) have apparently shown some serious potential as a treatment for COVID-19 when used together, but there isn't much in the MSM.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/therapeutic-options.html (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/therapeutic-options.html)
Remdesivir is also being tested
Underlying conditions which cause vulnerability to the disease are noted here (worth a read):
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/underlying-conditions.html (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/underlying-conditions.html)
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-policy/2020/03/24/trump-coronavirus-congress-economic-stimulus/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-policy/2020/03/24/trump-coronavirus-congress-economic-stimulus/)
Senate, White House reach $2 trillion stimulus deal to blunt coronavirus fallout
This article is free...
The legislation, unprecedented in its size and scope, aims to flood the economy with capital by sending $1,200 checks to many Americans, creating a $367 billion loan program for small businesses and setting up a $500 billion fund for industries, cities and states.
Other provisions include a massive boost to unemployment insurance, $150 billion for state and local stimulus funds and $130 billion for hospitals.
McConnell said the Senate would pass the legislation later Wednesday. With the House out of session, action there could take longer, depending on whether lawmakers can agree to pass the bill by “unanimous consent,†which would require agreement from all members of the chamber.
Tuesday began with all parties predicting a deal would be imminent, along with a vote by Tuesday evening. But as the hours dragged on multiple disputes arose and legislative language required close review.
Finally, as midnight neared Tuesday, the pace of shuttle diplomacy picked up on the second floor of the Capitol, as Mnuchin, White House legislative affairs director Eric Ueland and newly named White House chief of staff, Rep. Mark Meadows (R-N.C.), met alternately with McConnell and Schumer, who was in frequent contact with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.).
More at link...
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Coronavirus: Prince Charles tests positive for COVID-19
Clarence House said: "The Prince of Wales has tested positive for Coronavirus.
"He has been displaying mild symptoms but otherwise remains in good health and has been working from home throughout the last few days as usual.
"The Duchess of Cornwall has also been tested but does not have the virus. In accordance with Government and medical advice, the Prince and the Duchess are now self-isolating at home in Scotland.
"The tests were carried out by the NHS in Aberdeenshire where they met the criteria required for testing.
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-prince-charles-tests-positive-for-covid-19-11963363
Breaking
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Throw in megadoses of Vitamin C to that list.
https://nypost.com/2020/03/24/new-york-hospitals-treating-coronavirus-patients-with-vitamin-c/
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Thread 2:
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,395911.0.html (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,395911.0.html)