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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #1675 on: March 15, 2020, 08:57:57 pm »
In Venezuela, with their totally collapsed healthcare system, sometimes people take to twitter to find a drug. We can hope it doesn't get that bad.

Also, as I've already heard, truckers are being able to expand their regulatory delivery hours, if others are not working, truckers may be delivering goods, it's frightening to think of almost, there are real necessities in medicines and the like aside from the talk on lysol and so on.

Tom, I'm going out on a limb here and say I don't think this country will ever get as bad as Venezuela.  Seems to me in Venezuela, Cuba and other such countries, they always have shortages of something, particularly medicine.  I once read that Cuba's often lauded health care system often has shortages of ordinary antibiotics.  Much has to do with the socialist/communist,  hamfisted, meddling governments they have.  If they had a free enterprise system as we do, there wouldn't be the shortages, wait lists and such. 

We should pray this country does not abandon the systems we have had in place for so long in favor of the broken down socialist/communist systems these countries have.

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« Reply #1677 on: March 15, 2020, 09:15:41 pm »
Thanks @roamer_1  I love Dr. Hook.

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« Reply #1678 on: March 15, 2020, 09:17:53 pm »
Thanks @roamer_1  I love Dr. Hook.

LOL! It was meant to be funny @Applewood

But yeah, I do too...  :beer:

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #1680 on: March 15, 2020, 09:34:28 pm »
Tom, I'm going out on a limb here and say I don't think this country will ever get as bad as Venezuela.  Seems to me in Venezuela, Cuba and other such countries, they always have shortages of something, particularly medicine.  I once read that Cuba's often lauded health care system often has shortages of ordinary antibiotics.  Much has to do with the socialist/communist,  hamfisted, meddling governments they have.  If they had a free enterprise system as we do, there wouldn't be the shortages, wait lists and such. 

We should pray this country does not abandon the systems we have had in place for so long in favor of the broken down socialist/communist systems these countries have.

I don't see where anyone said we are going the direction of Venezuela or Cuba, your talk about medications made me merely think it could be possible that someone would go online, twitter and look for medicines during this time here in the USA. In fact,  I'm sure it has happened in so-called more abundant times.  But if one really needed their medicine, it might be worth a try short of other alternatives.

Also, sidenote, one does know, Wuhan  is the sister city of Pittsburgh, that's pretty well known.

https://www.chronicle.pitt.edu/story/sister-cities-wuhan-and-pittsburgh

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #1681 on: March 15, 2020, 09:35:31 pm »
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Trump tells people to stop panic buying amid coronavirus pandemic: 'Relax. We're doing great'

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/trump-coronavirus-press-conference-today-panic-buying-shortage-supplies-a9403496.html

Well, when he says were doing great..... hmmmn.  :pondering:

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« Reply #1682 on: March 15, 2020, 09:44:31 pm »
Well, when he says were doing great..... hmmmn.  :pondering:

Possible presidential comments regarding panic buying

a) relax.
b) relax we're doing great
c) relax we're in big trouble
d) panic.
e) panic we're doing great
f) panic we're in trouble
g) *crickets*

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #1683 on: March 15, 2020, 09:53:16 pm »
I'll go with a).

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #1684 on: March 15, 2020, 09:56:43 pm »
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #1685 on: March 15, 2020, 10:03:01 pm »
Doctor said when it warms up more, 85,  much less risk BUT....  are not some places almost that warm already?

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #1686 on: March 15, 2020, 10:12:38 pm »
Doctor said when it warms up more, 85,  much less risk BUT....  are not some places almost that warm already?

The warmest place in the country this time of year is usually Florida and they have a lot of cases.  But, if ambient heat really is the solution, we're in the catbird seat here in Mohave County, AZ.
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #1687 on: March 15, 2020, 10:27:53 pm »
https://www.wsj.com/articles/hospitals-push-off-surgeries-to-make-room-for-coronavirus-patients-11584298575?mod=e2tw

Hospitals Push Off Surgeries to Make Room for Coronavirus Patients

Hospitals preparing for an influx of coronavirus patients are canceling some surgeries and moving routine care to virtual visits, an effort to make room for those critically ill and prevent infections as the global pandemic spreads nationwide.

A growing number of hospitals, including Boston’s Brigham & Women’s Hospital, NewYork-Presbyterian, the main facility of the University of California, San Francisco and some major systems in the hard-hit Seattle area, are starting to put off surgeries that aren’t urgent or emergencies. In addition to freeing up capacity, doctors say they don’t want to expose patients and workers to potential infection risk.

Some hospitals are also asking primary-care and psychiatry patients and those who need other routine care to use the phone or telemedicine to visit doctors.

“The less people we have to bring or move around our community, the better,” said Ann Prestipino, an executive and incident commander for Massachusetts General Hospital, which Monday will begin switching all outpatient visits to virtual care, where possible, and will postpone surgery that can be delayed, at the discretion of each service area. The hospital and its clinics typically handle one million outpatient visits annually, she said.

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When you run out of elective surgeries to push back, it still leaves urgent and emergency surgeries that can be cancelled.



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President Trump says the coronavirus is “something that we have total control over.”

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #1688 on: March 15, 2020, 10:41:25 pm »
Doctor said when it warms up more, 85,  much less risk BUT....  are not some places almost that warm already?

In the southern hemisphere. But unless there're no journalists down there to cover the virus that region seems to be doing relatively OK.

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« Reply #1689 on: March 15, 2020, 10:41:27 pm »
You all may find this interesting. This doctor is a member of the Disaster Medical Assistance Team. He's talking to a group in one of the Pittsburgh suburbs about the actual medical situation.

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #1690 on: March 15, 2020, 10:53:39 pm »
You all may find this interesting. This doctor is a member of the Disaster Medical Assistance Team. He's talking to a group in one of the Pittsburgh suburbs about the actual medical situation.

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #1691 on: March 15, 2020, 10:54:37 pm »
In the southern hemisphere. But unless there're no journalists down there to cover the virus that region seems to be doing relatively OK.
New Zealand pretty much has it contained by my understanding. Australia, Tom Hanks got it, but we don't know where and we don't know if he's spread it to anyone.
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« Reply #1692 on: March 15, 2020, 11:05:40 pm »
New Zealand pretty much has it contained by my understanding. Australia, Tom Hanks got it, but we don't know where and we don't know if he's spread it to anyone.

I'm surprised India has largely ducked the entire mess.

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« Reply #1693 on: March 15, 2020, 11:07:21 pm »
New Zealand pretty much has it contained by my understanding. Australia, Tom Hanks got it, but we don't know where and we don't know if he's spread it to anyone.

Maybe NZ has few cases if any, I have not read about that but I do know, they've been in the news today per actions they are taking:

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Live coronavirus updates: New travel restrictions in force in NZ, chaos at airports in the US

Covid-19 relief package: National wants 'rapid infusion' of cash

For COVID-19 health advice and information, contact the Healthline team (for free) on 0800 358 5453 or +64 9 358 5453 for international SIMS.

Health officials have ramped up their presence at airports in New Zealand as tougher travel restrictions came into force today.

From 1am today all travellers who enter the country, except from Pacific Island countries, must go into isolation for 14 days.

More: https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/live-coronavirus-updates-new-travel-restrictions-in-force-in-nz-chaos-at-airports-in-the-us/ar-BB11dWJP?li=BBqdk7Q
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Australia, New Zealand farewell spectator sport as coronavirus curbs bite
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MELBOURNE (Reuters) - The curtain lowered on spectator sport in Australia and New Zealand on Sunday, with fans watching top flight soccer and rugby matches at stadiums for the last time before crowd bans and border controls kick in to fight the spread of coronavirus.

More: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-sport-australia-idUSKBN21209S

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Coronavirus: New Zealand PM says all arrivals must self-isolate
https://news.yahoo.com/coronavirus-everyone-entering-zealand-must-053604972.html

That's probably where I heard about this, the BBC... so fwiw, the Kiwis have been in the news about this today.

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« Reply #1694 on: March 15, 2020, 11:10:19 pm »
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« Reply #1695 on: March 15, 2020, 11:39:24 pm »
Can you give us the cliffs notes?
I'm listening to it now and will do my best.

Some highlights:
80% of people infected may show absolutely minor symptoms or no symptoms at all. 2-3% will get really sick with the lower respiratory infection.

 Incubation time: 2-14 days.  Never seen anyone develop symptoms more than 14 days after exposure (average 5.4 days).

Symptoms:
 1)  98% of those who develop symptoms will have a fever. Check temp a few times a day.
2) Dry cough in 76% of those who develop symptoms.
3) Shortness of breath in 55% of those who develop symptoms.
4) Sore throat - trivial.

Why do people die (the 2-3 %)? From the overexuberant immune response. Body pours in white cells; flood alveoli. Can't get oxygen in. Depends on your ability to fight infection.

Among folks who have underlying conditions (immunocompromised by, e.g., heart disease, cancer, diabetes), in the following age groups:
60-70   4% chance of death
70-80   8%
80+      15%

What to do? Limit exposure, don't put yourself in compromising situations (cruise, travel to Italy, Asia, etc.) or where you're shoulder to shoulder with others, like at a ball game. It's droplet transmitted - keep 6' away from others. If a loved one is sick, still try to stay 6' away even while you're caring for them. Only if you absolutely have to be closer to a sick person than 6', then you wear one of the masks with a splash guard (not the respirator variety), mostly to prevent you from touching your face, and maybe goggles. You don't need a Tyvek suit or anything like that. Most folks need nothing more than distance.

Disinfection: 0.1% solution of bleach will kill the virus. Peroxide, too (dilute to .3%); Lysol spray; isopropyl alcohol. Wipe down countertops, computers, phones, door handles, TV remote, other surfaces with peroxide or alcohol solution. Virus may be able to live as long as 9 days, but possibly just 4-20 hours. Clean hands with soap and water for 20 seconds. Don't have to get hand sanitizer.

Bolster your own immune system:
1) a good night's sleep will do more good than anything else.
2) exercise
3) proper food - fruits and vegs, or at least take multivitamin daily
4) drink water

OTC medicines to have:
zinc lozenges may help with symptoms (Zicam) - but don't use nasal spray
500-1000 mg per day of Vit. C also may help (or eat citrus fruit)

This guy is optimistic without discounting legitimate concerns. The sky is not falling. This is not the zombie apocolypse.

"We are more prepared than any other nation in the world - by far!"

This is a slow-moving crisis, which buys us time to develop vaccines and anti-virals to attack it.










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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #1696 on: March 15, 2020, 11:49:45 pm »
I'm surprised India has largely ducked the entire mess.

Maybe its the the heat?

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #1697 on: March 15, 2020, 11:54:36 pm »
This is a slow-moving crisis, which buys us time to develop vaccines and anti-virals to attack it.

Meaning the freakoutskis among us and in the stupid press will keep the mindless panic going until it collapses. 
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« Reply #1698 on: March 15, 2020, 11:55:21 pm »
I'm listening to it now and will do my best.

Some highlights:
80% of people infected may show absolutely minor symptoms or no symptoms at all. 2-3% will get really sick with the lower respiratory infection.

 Incubation time: 2-14 days.  Never seen anyone develop symptoms more than 14 days after exposure (average 5.4 days).

Symptoms:
 1)  98% of those who develop symptoms will have a fever. Check temp a few times a day.
2) Dry cough in 76% of those who develop symptoms.
3) Shortness of breath in 55% of those who develop symptoms.
4) Sore throat - trivial.

Why do people die (the 2-3 %)? From the overexuberant immune response. Body pours in white cells; flood alveoli. Can't get oxygen in. Depends on your ability to fight infection.

Among folks who have underlying conditions (immunocompromised by, e.g., heart disease, cancer, diabetes), in the following age groups:
60-70   4% chance of death
70-80   8%
80+      15%

What to do? Limit exposure, don't put yourself in compromising situations (cruise, travel to Italy, Asia, etc.) or where you're shoulder to shoulder with others, like at a ball game. It's droplet transmitted - keep 6' away from others. If a loved one is sick, still try to stay 6' away even while you're caring for them. Only if you absolutely have to be closer to a sick person than 6', then you wear one of the masks with a splash guard (not the respirator variety), mostly to prevent you from touching your face, and maybe goggles. You don't need a Tyvek suit or anything like that. Most folks need nothing more than distance.

Disinfection: 0.1% solution of bleach will kill the virus. Peroxide, too (dilute to .3%); Lysol spray; isopropyl alcohol. Wipe down countertops, computers, phones, door handles, TV remote, other surfaces with peroxide or alcohol solution. Virus may be able to live as long as 9 days, but possibly just 4-20 hours. Clean hands with soap and water for 20 seconds. Don't have to get hand sanitizer.

Bolster your own immune system:
1) a good night's sleep will do more good than anything else.
2) exercise
3) proper food - fruits and vegs, or at least take multivitamin daily
4) drink water

OTC medicines to have:
zinc lozenges may help with symptoms (Zicam) - but don't use nasal spray
500-1000 mg per day of Vit. C also may help (or eat citrus fruit)

This guy is optimistic without discounting legitimate concerns. The sky is not falling. This is not the zombie apocolypse.

"We are more prepared than any other nation in the world - by far!"

This is a slow-moving crisis, which buys us time to develop vaccines and anti-virals to attack it.

I'll add, if you don't get much sun exposure vitamin D3 in high dosages is a big deal. I take 10,000 IU a day and it made a dramatic difference in how often I get sick and the severity. I'm allergic to the sun so I need a lot of D3...

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #1699 on: March 16, 2020, 12:09:29 am »
CDC Says U.S. Gatherings of Over 50 People Should Be Put Off

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In the most extreme effort yet to slow the march of coronavirus in the U.S., the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention recommended that events of 50 people or more not be held for about two months.

For the next eight weeks, organizers should cancel or postpone in-person events of that size throughout the U.S., the agency said on its website Sunday. When feasible, organizers could modify events to be virtual.

The advisory doesn’t apply to the day-to-day operation of organizations such as schools, institutes of higher learning, or businesses -- although many of those entities have taken steps of their own.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/cdc-says-us-gatherings-of-over-50-people-should-be-put-off/ar-BB11eb0T?ocid=spartandhp