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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #1850 on: March 16, 2020, 10:51:16 pm »
Well, I don't have CNN or ABC or whatever on to judge the left-wing media.

But now, Cruz self-quarantining himself is just using common sense.

I wish you all would post the reachings of the left-wing media on this issue because we haven't really seen that here, we've seen articles that are portraying what's going on.

We don't want to have a nightmare like Italy, China or Iran. It may be so serious, we're being very optimistic if we think things change soon. It's scary.

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #1851 on: March 16, 2020, 10:52:59 pm »
I thought Ted Cruz had penned an editorial for the NY Times or Washington Post, rightfully called left-wing.. .often but it doesn't mean everything they publish is bad. I couldn't find what I thought Cruz wrote  for them but I did find an editorial written by Tom Cotton for the NY Times:

Good luck in calling everyone who writes for the NY Times a lefty. Pretty shallow.

No.  Not shallow.   Just responding to the majority of their articles and commenting on the effing obvious most of the time....lol.

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #1852 on: March 16, 2020, 10:54:05 pm »
For morale and moral support, especially.

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Indeed!

Uncertainty is scary, and what's for certain is that what we're seeing, we've never seen before.

I'm just happy to rest assured that God is in control, and that no matter what happens, we'll be OK.

Life has been pretty cushy and convenient for us as Americans.  It looks like we'll be inconvenienced for a while, but this IS America, and I firmly believe we'll come through this fine.

Maybe stronger.
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #1853 on: March 16, 2020, 11:00:53 pm »
Indeed!

Uncertainty is scary, and what's for certain is that what we're seeing, we've never seen before.

I'm just happy to rest assured that God is in control, and that no matter what happens, we'll be OK.

Life has been pretty cushy and convenient for us as Americans.  It looks like we'll be inconvenienced for a while, but this IS America, and I firmly believe we'll come through this fine.

Maybe stronger.

Maybe more united, even.   Hope springs.
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #1854 on: March 16, 2020, 11:06:15 pm »
What that New York Times left wing journalist wrote on Trump, oh, and the article was co-written by Richard Fausset, let's make sure we are not omitting anything as to be deceptive, so this is a rabbit hole, my last post on this because it is derailing an important issue but it does have to do with the "coronavirus":

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What Governors Say About Trump’s Response to Coronavirus

Even some governors who have been critics of the president are openly grateful for federal supplies. But the administration’s response to the outbreak has still received mixed reviews.

By Richard Fausset and Julie Bosman


    Published March 11, 2020
    Updated March 12, 2020

Vice President Mike Pence, fresh from a conference call with nearly all of the nation’s governors, spoke this week about how much those governors appreciated President Trump’s leadership in the midst of the coronavirus outbreak.

“The president’s leadership has made the difference here,” Mr. Pence said at a White House news conference on Monday. “I heard it again today from 47 governors.”

The governors, who find themselves grappling with an escalating national health crisis, have begun raising their own voices in a mix of frustration, gratitude, alarm and pleas for assistance.

More at: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/11/us/coronavirus-governors-trump.html

Now, "Respirators, Ventilators, get them  yourselves" to paraphrase, "you have our full backing"  as if that sounds so reassuring? I think it was proper to note.  Not somehow that this was taken out of context and it totally changed things.

Anyway, last post on this rabbithole.  There are very serious issues facing the nation, this could really change the way the whole world functions.  A pivotal event that could get really bad.

"Respirators, Ventilators, get them yourself", oh, we shouldn't question that and if anything, since McGurk was a Bush appointee,  Rehnquist was appointed by Bush or Reagan, McGurk would be more like a Bushie. Would George Bush have answered that question the same way.

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #1855 on: March 16, 2020, 11:09:04 pm »
Maybe more united, even.   Hope springs.

We need sumpin to unite us!
Character still matters.  It always matters.

I wear a mask as an exercise in liberty and love for others.  To see it as an infringement of liberty is to entirely miss the point.  Be kind.

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #1856 on: March 16, 2020, 11:12:35 pm »
We were united after Pearl Harbor.
We briefly were united after 9/11.
I  am not optimistic.
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #1857 on: March 16, 2020, 11:13:11 pm »
We are dealing with something in my opinion and I've seen it mentioned, that is a very great challenge like World War II.

Questions should be answered, so a never-Trumper takes issue with something now? WTH?

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #1858 on: March 16, 2020, 11:19:49 pm »
We need sumpin to unite us!

Well the last thing was 9/11.   Let's pray it doesn't take another "actual" attack like that.

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #1859 on: March 16, 2020, 11:20:41 pm »
Well I'm on 14 day quarantine thanks to DoD force protection policies put in place after I left for my cruise.

Because I left the borders of the continental U.S. it puts me on the bench for 14 days.  Just had to sign a receipt of a memorandum and issuance of a General Order from our commanding general.
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #1860 on: March 16, 2020, 11:21:07 pm »
We are dealing with something in my opinion and I've seen it mentioned, that is a very great challenge like World War II.

Questions should be answered, so a never-Trumper takes issue with something now? WTH?

Careful who you label or consider a "never Trumper" there, hon.   Most of us are not.  Not even close.
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #1861 on: March 16, 2020, 11:25:35 pm »
Well I'm on 14 day quarantine thanks to DoD force protection policies put in place after I left for my cruise.

Because I left the borders of the continental U.S. it puts me on the bench for 14 days.  Just had to sign a receipt of a memorandum and issuance of a General Order from our commanding general.

Two-week vacay at home?  I expect we'll be seeing you here a lot...lol!
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #1862 on: March 16, 2020, 11:29:35 pm »
What that New York Times left wing journalist wrote on Trump, oh, and the article was co-written by Richard Fausset, let's make sure we are not omitting anything as to be deceptive, so this is a rabbit hole, my last post on this because it is derailing an important issue but it does have to do with the "coronavirus":

Now, "Respirators, Ventilators, get them  yourselves" to paraphrase, "you have our full backing"  as if that sounds so reassuring? I think it was proper to note.  Not somehow that this was taken out of context and it totally changed things.

Anyway, last post on this rabbithole.  There are very serious issues facing the nation, this could really change the way the whole world functions.  A pivotal event that could get really bad.

"Respirators, Ventilators, get them yourself", oh, we shouldn't question that and if anything, since McGurk was a Bush appointee,  Rehnquist was appointed by Bush or Reagan, McGurk would be more like a Bushie. Would George Bush have answered that question the same way.

I just listened to Governor DeSantis of FL regarding the comment on the respirators/ventilators.  What was said in essence is; if the state has respirators in stock use their supply and if they have a source to get more go ahead and get them as this will cut out having to go through the bureaucracy and can be received quicker; the Feds will reimburse them 75%.  DeSantis emphasized that Trump did not say that the governors were on their own. 

The President spoke with the governors and he is leaving individual states to make some decisions regarding their own situations based on CDC guidelines and recommendations.   

Florida has a population of appx. 22 million people.  So far:

Number of People Tested: 1805

Negative Results:  816

Positive Results:  160

Results Pending: 829

Deaths:  4

Unfortunately southern Florida where I live has the bulk of those cases.  Spring breakers are supposed to be here this week -- let's hope that the millennial bring some common sense with them!
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #1863 on: March 16, 2020, 11:32:07 pm »
Well I'm on 14 day quarantine thanks to DoD force protection policies put in place after I left for my cruise.

Because I left the borders of the continental U.S. it puts me on the bench for 14 days.  Just had to sign a receipt of a memorandum and issuance of a General Order from our commanding general.

Well ... best of luck to you and everyone could use some R&R.  :patriot:
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #1864 on: March 16, 2020, 11:37:04 pm »
Spring breakers are supposed to be here this week -- let's hope that the millennial bring some common sense with them!

LOL!  You made a funny!

So....9 months from now, the beginning of the lock-downs in our homes, there will be a Baby Boom.  The babies will be called, "Caronnials."
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #1865 on: March 16, 2020, 11:38:24 pm »
LOL!  You made a funny!

So....9 months from now, the beginning of the lock-downs in our homes, there will be a Baby Boom.  The babies will be called, "Caronnials."

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #1866 on: March 16, 2020, 11:40:11 pm »
Understand, don't disagree. But we simply don't know how many people have been infected to know where that leads. If most people have been infected and that's all that has happened that would be very good news. That would also mean there's not much more the virus can infect. But we have no reliable data to know any of that.

It is clearly very infectious. If only 5,000 people of that 1.34 million have been infected that 100 deaths becomes significant and has a lot of upward mobility to get far worse. If 500,000 of that 1.34 million have been infected then it has likely run its course.

We simply don't know. Making bad assumptions either way has serious consequences.
Right. Especially about the mild case end of the spectrum, and the simple reality is that we will not ever know, because the mildest and milder cases won't get tested.

All we have to go on, then are the Chinese numbers, which are questionable, at best. Those, too, may provide a worst case scenario, or the Chinese may have been dropping like flies and getting cremated in pits. There is no way to tell.

What we do have as a profile, is that bar graph showing mortality by age group, and the understanding that virtually every death attributed to COVID-19 also involved other pulmonary, cardiac, or metabolic disorders (diabetes). If you are under 50, if you have no preexisting medical condition, your odds of being killed by this look to be slim.
As age goes up, or in the presence of underlying problems, your risk goes up.

Now, despite that, I ask you which group is being steered toward wholesale panic by the MSM, and why?

I think the answer becomes apparrent, especially considering the political polarization of the MSM, the ardent desire to have ANYTHING they can use against the incumbent in an election year where their candidates suck, and even the oft repeated mantras of how POTUS "didn't do anything", when, despite his orders, those whose job it was to follow those directives and get the job done have failed, not him. We're talking aobut people in bureaucratic polsitions who rose through the ranks over a span of years, in some cases, administrations, who suddenly, despite their alleged leadership in those positions have miserably failed to do what they were told. State Dept personnel and CDC personnel have dropped the ball on this, and somewhere in that mix, the FDA shares some of that.

I'm not playing thatpolitical game, and when the political hyperbole is stripped away, we have an unknown disease, considered very contagious, but at the same time, one which presents unknowns in terms of how serious it is overall in a given population.

THere are clusters where the disease has been relatively devastating, in Washington State Nursing homes, and in the North of Italy, but we don't have enough facts about the groups involved, mostly about those in Washington, universally older, and with preexisting medical problems. As for Italy, at one point the average age of victims was 81 years old, but the numbers have changed, more have died, and we really don't have much to go on, either in terms of knowing what care was available or utilized, nor the general health of the victims.

WHile it pays to be vigilant, to be careful to limit the spread of this, as much as we would say, the flu or other respiratory diseases, this isn't the time to be stripping store shelves, hiding behind our doors (although avoiding crowds may be prudent).

People can and will argue that if everyone stays home the disease won't spread (well, it will, just not as fast), but saying it didn't because of that, might not be entirely correct because mild cases may still continue through segments of the population with few symptoms, and symptoms of such low severity as to be pretty much ignored.

At that point, will the damage done by being overly cautious, even panicked, be more severe than the disease itself? I think so. But everyone needs to evaluate their own risks versus benefits, there, and act accordingly.

Why don't we consider screaming "FIRE!" in a crowded theater free speech (especially if there isn't a fire)?

Because more will die in the stampede for the exits than would have if they had left the theater in an orderly fashion, and definitely more than if there had been no fire at all.
 
So, in keeping with my general attitude toward this bug, let's calm down, get some useful stats, and consider what is indeed prudent against what might be excessive. We can always panic later.

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #1867 on: March 16, 2020, 11:43:00 pm »
Well I'm on 14 day quarantine thanks to DoD force protection policies put in place after I left for my cruise.

Because I left the borders of the continental U.S. it puts me on the bench for 14 days.  Just had to sign a receipt of a memorandum and issuance of a General Order from our commanding general.
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #1868 on: March 16, 2020, 11:50:57 pm »
LOL!  You made a funny!

So....9 months from now, the beginning of the lock-downs in our homes, there will be a Baby Boom.  The babies will be called, "Caronnials."

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #1869 on: March 16, 2020, 11:57:07 pm »
For those so inclined, I am appalled at the apparent lack of Faith in The Almighty. Be calm. He knows what He is doing.

Word.  Overall, an excellent post.
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« Reply #1870 on: March 17, 2020, 12:16:52 am »
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CDC denies Democrats' claim Trump slashed funding to anti-pandemic programs
by Dominick Mastrangelo   | March 16, 2020 04:00 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention pushed back on claims from Democratic lawmakers that President Trump slashed funding to the department's anti-pandemic efforts.

Amid nationwide concern regarding the federal government's ability to contain the spread of the coronavirus, Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer blasted Trump late last month for “drastic cuts to the global health division at CDC," likely referring to a five-year, nearly $600 million supplemental package that ran out in September 2019.

"All of the warning lights are flashing bright red. We are staring down a potential pandemic, and the administration has no plan," the New York Democrat said. "We have a crisis of coronavirus, and President Trump has no plan, no urgency, no understanding of the facts, or how to coordinate a response."

More: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/cdc-denies-democrats-claim-trump-slashed-funding-to-anti-pandemic-programs

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« Reply #1871 on: March 17, 2020, 12:21:48 am »
I really think he's pointman for the Republicans on this issue, it's probably not the same as what Romney or Gabbard offered but in the same vein.   I find it hard to think he's just doing all this by himself.

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Tom Cotton calls for “cash stipends to affected workers” and national “shutdown” effort
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In a new series of tweets, Senator Tom Cotton calls for a national shutdown with only absolute essential work continuing along with “cash stipends to affected workers.”

Cotton tweeted:

The time has come for extraordinary measures to combat the Chinese coronavirus. What seems extreme today will seem obvious tomorrow.

Two weeks ago, Italians were merrily sipping wine and coffee at bars and restaurants. Today, elderly Italians are denied care at hospitals and instead administered last rites because their health-care system is collapsing.

Read more at:  https://newsthud.com/tom-cotton-calls-for-cash-stipends-to-affected-workers-and-national-shutdown-effort/

And here's his plan:
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What Congress Should Do This Week
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This week, the Senate takes on the critical question of how to protect Americans and support the economy during the China coronavirus emergency. Our work must focus on efforts to help working Americans who hold hourly jobs, can’t telework, and can’t count on a paycheck. We must also help businesses that those workers rely on for jobs.

Over the weekend, the House of Representatives passed the Families First Coronavirus Response Act. It turns out that the administration and Speaker Pelosi were still ironing out significant differences even today. But from what we have seen already of the bill’s substance, I have serious concerns that it doesn’t go far enough to protect American families from the serious disruptions that are already occurring due to the China coronavirus.

We must do better than this, and we must be prepared to spend whatever it takes to shelter Americans from the coming storm — and very likely to spend more than the House bill proposes. But what we spend must work.


THE PROBLEM WITH THE HOUSE BILL

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #1872 on: March 17, 2020, 12:38:23 am »
Ok, from the fringe (not always accurate stuff if you know what I mean)...

First... different strains of this virus... L and S ....

L version tends to hit young as well as older folks...  thus why some countries are reporting half of their hospitalizations are under 50y/o folks...

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"Today there are between forty and fifty corona patients in critical condition on Dutch intensive care units. “More than half of those patients are under fifty years old. There are also young people. "" That says chairman of the Dutch Association for Intensive Care (NVIC) Diederik Gommers, in an interview with this site."

https://www.ad.nl/dossier-coronavirus/40-a-50-nederlandse-coronapatienten-op-intensive-cares-meer-dan-de-helft-is-onder-de-vijftig~a058aad2/?referrer=https://t.co/FFkYTRXzox?amp=1&referrer=http://lamecherry.blogspot.com/



Second: Talk that males are being harmed via becoming sterile. Too early to know how it is affecting younger females.

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3074945/coronavirus-hubei-government-deletes-report-claiming-covid-19

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #1873 on: March 17, 2020, 12:41:39 am »
But these kinds of depressing days have the potential to bring out the best in us.

If anything, we should be kinder to each other.  We're all in this together, and we need each other more than ever.
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #1874 on: March 17, 2020, 12:46:05 am »
NEW: The first 67 U.S. coronavirus deaths by state and age
March 16, 2020 by Sharyl Attkisson

67 U.S. Coronavirus Deaths

42 of total U.S. deaths, or 63%, from Washington State
37 Washington State deaths are from King County (88% of Wash. State deaths)
29 deaths from Life Care Center, Kirkland (43% of total U.S. deaths)



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