Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion

[Smokin Joe]

And in return, we have been accused of 'bullying', 'making personal attacks', 'using innuendo', 'making ad hominems', and 'accusing others of trying to scare others with no back up'.

Yep.
Which is why I am speaking to the data, the holes in it as reported, the flaws in it as sampling goes, and they are legion.

You'd think people would be able to spot omissions and half-truths by now.

[skeeter]

And in return, we have been accused of 'bullying', 'making personal attacks', 'using innuendo', 'making ad hominems', and 'accusing others of trying to scare others with no back up'.

IMO there'll be some red faces when the final cost of this thing is tallied.

And we ought to all be hoping I'm right.

[thackney]

My doctor friend said do not use the nasal spray, just the zinc lozenges.

@mountaineer @DB

I am one of those that significantly lost sense of smell from overuse of zicam nasal spray from my years in Alaska.

[Idiot]

Stanford Professor: Data Indicates We’re Severely Overreacting To Coronavirus

The professor is correct!

Yeah....tell that to the New Jersey family that had 7 hospitalized with 4 of them dying....they weren't exactly old either.

[Hoodat]

Just don't look at your statement this month....I'm not.

Don't look at it for the rest of the year.  If you got extra cash, buy.  Stocks are a bargain right now, but it won't last.

[Idiot]

@mountaineer @DB

I am one of those that significantly lost sense of smell from overuse of zicam nasal spray from my years in Alaska.

Same here....  I was a stockholder.  I made thousands on paper....then it all came crashing down when it turned out that Zicam caused you to lose your sense of smell.  I will NEVER forget zicam.

[TomSea]

The Stanford Proff says we don't know enough about the disease. Brilliant observation. This isn't the Silver Bulllet some are waving around, we just don't know.  So, what else is new?  Expose 330 million people to possible disaster? He's not the only educated opinion out there.

[thackney]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-18/99-of-those-who-died-from-virus-had-other-illness-italy-says Scroll down to the graphic (pie chart) 99,2% of the Italians had some serious underlying health issue or multiple issues.

Thank you for that.

More than 75% had high blood pressure, about 35% had diabetes and a third suffered from heart disease.

I get to check all those boxes.  So do a lot of us.

Cardiovascular diseases affect nearly half of American adults, statistics show
https://www.heart.org/en/news/2019/01/31/cardiovascular-diseases-affect-nearly-half-of-american-adults-statistics-show

In the United States, about 77.9 million (1 out of every 3) adults have high blood pressure.

https://www.heart.org/idc/groups/heart-public/@wcm/@sop/@smd/documents/downloadable/ucm_319587.pdf

34.2 million people, or 10.5% of the U.S. population, have diabetes. An estimated 26.8 million people - or 10.2% of the population - had diagnosed diabetes. Approximately 7.3 million people have diabetes but have not yet been diagnosed (2018).

https://www.diabetesresearch.org/diabetes-statistics

[Smokin Joe]

Yeah....tell that to the New Jersey family that had 7 hospitalized with 4 of them dying....they weren't exactly old either.

What preexisting medical conditions were involved? How long did they delay getting medical care?

[roamer_1]

IMO there'll be some red faces when the final cost of this thing is tallied.

And we ought to all be hoping I'm right.

Ain't no question about it. You are right.

[roamer_1]

Yeah....tell that to the New Jersey family that had 7 hospitalized with 4 of them dying....they weren't exactly old either.

Anecdotal evidence is pretty useless in the face of statistics that are still way way low, and trillions being spent.

You may as well bring up anecdotal evidence of folks getting hit by traffic as they cross the street - As that has a greater chance of happening than dying of this virus.

[Idiot]

What preexisting medical conditions were involved? How long did they delay getting medical care?

Texas Governor on tv now.....we have the virus in over 20 counties now.  Spreading quite fast....  He just shut down all restaurants, gymns etc....wow. Laredo pretty well shut the town down. 

[IsailedawayfromFR]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-18/99-of-those-who-died-from-virus-had-other-illness-italy-says Scroll down to the graphic (pie chart) 99,2% of the Italians had some serious underlying health issue or multiple issues.

That is a very significant piece of data and the sky-is-falling types fail to recognize that for what it means, which basically is healthy people have minimum health risk to virus exposure.

[Smokin Joe]

Thank you for that.

I get to check all those boxes.  So do a lot of us.

Cardiovascular diseases affect nearly half of American adults, statistics show
https://www.heart.org/en/news/2019/01/31/cardiovascular-diseases-affect-nearly-half-of-american-adults-statistics-show

https://www.heart.org/idc/groups/heart-public/@wcm/@sop/@smd/documents/downloadable/ucm_319587.pdf

https://www.diabetesresearch.org/diabetes-statistics

Stay healthy, friend.
I am fortunate enough to be over 60 and not check any of them.

Considering the above stats, I wonder how much overlap there is with the 60.8% of the US population that works.

[Idiot]

Anecdotal evidence is pretty useless in the face of statistics that are still way way low, and trillions being spent.

You may as well bring up anecdotal evidence of folks getting hit by traffic as they cross the street - As that has a greater chance of happening than dying of this virus.

I pray you are correct....

[TomSea]

Thank goodness we won't see this again.

King County to put 200-bed field hospital on Shoreline soccer field amid coronavirus outbreak
March 18, 2020

Workers start building and setting up a temporary field hospital at a Shoreline soccer field on Wednesday. It will be for people who can’t safely remain in their homes or don’t have a home, according to the city. There will be multiple such hospitals throughout King County. (Amanda Snyder / The Seattle Times)
Evan Bush By Evan Bush
Seattle Times staff reporter

A temporary field hospital for use by people unable to isolate and recover from COVID-19 in their own homes will be located at a soccer field in Shoreline, a city spokesman said.

The Shoreline Temporary Field Hospital, at 19030 First Ave. N.E., will provide up to 200 beds, according to the city website. It will house “people exposed to, at risk of exposure, or becoming ill with the novel coronavirus.”

“It’s basically to relieve pressure on the hospitals and to free up beds for critical patients,” said Eric Bratton, a city spokesman. The hospital will be on a turf soccer field that is on school district property but is leased by the city, Bratton said.

Read more at:  https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/health/king-county-to-put-200-bed-field-hospital-on-shoreline-soccer-field-amid-coronavirus-outbreak/

[Smokin Joe]

I pray you are correct....

Sixteen people die per day, on average in the US from pedestrian/vehicle accidents. So far, the jaywalkers are ahead.

[Hoodat]

@mountaineer @DB

I am one of those that significantly lost sense of smell from overuse of zicam nasal spray from my years in Alaska.

Hydrogen sulfide seems to have the same effect.

[Smokin Joe]

Hydrogen sulfide seems to have the same effect.

Yep. My sense of smell is limited, and has been since I worked in a field back in the 80s where the flares went out all too often. 

[corbe]

   Anhydrous Ammonia (used to make blueprints) is also a smell killer. I delivered that stuff to engineering firms all over Houston, as a teenager.

[thackney]

Sixteen people die per day, on average in the US from pedestrian/vehicle accidents. So far, the jaywalkers are ahead.

Covid-19 in the US passed that two days ago.

40 deaths yesterday

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

Scroll down to:
Daily New Deaths in the United States

[TomSea]

Sixteen people die per day, on average in the US from pedestrian/vehicle accidents. So far, the jaywalkers are ahead.

17 hours ago, USA coronavirus death toll was 100,

US coronavirus death toll surpasses 100;
https://abcnews.go.com/US/coronavirus-live-updates-us-death-toll-surpasses-100/story?id=69636160

now it's at 154.

United States: 10,755 cases, 154 deaths
https://www.tulsaworld.com/news/national/u-s-death-toll-how-are-world-governments-handling-the/collection_05705193-a8fd-5deb-a5c0-2407b04f85df.html

Just the facts.

[Hoodat]

   Anhydrous Ammonia (used to make blueprints) is also a smell killer. I delivered that stuff to engineering firms all over Houston, as a teenager.

Troodat.  It also shrinks money when liquified.  If you get a chance, drop a dollar bill into a vat of very cold liquid ammonia.  Pretty cool.

[thackney]

Hydrogen sulfide seems to have the same effect.

Hydrogen Sulfide is the only reason I am concerned by my loss of smell.  Often it is a benefit in life working around large men with high protein diets.

[mountaineer]

I am one of those that significantly lost sense of smell from overuse of zicam nasal spray from my years in Alaska.

That's exactly what my doctor friend said last night was a possible side effect, and was why NOT to use it. I said, "That stinks."

DON'T USE a zinc spray. Just the lozenges. (pretty sure that's what I said).