Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion

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[TomSea]

Good grief Tom, did you read the essay?

Chinese media is hyping the problem over here in an effort to make themselves look efficient and us inept. It is not in their interests to play down the issue here.

Chinese disinformation, depending on what side it falls on, makes China look good

Secondly, my remark also is in regards to the member's statement about people using their heads. If people are tossing out insults and slinging mud, that can go around.

The article also discusses that Stanford Professor,  John Ionnidis. We've already been through that and Stanford's connections to China.

From the article:

9. Children and Teens aren’t at risk

Okay, maybe the article has a special context to this statement, so maybe I'm taking it wrong but what we do know:

Jennifer Zeng 曾錚
@jenniferatntd
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A rare case in #SouthKorea. 17 y/o boy tested negative for #CCPVirus #COVID19 7 times (out of 8 tests) died 6 days after showing symptoms. He could be the first minor who died of #coronavirus in the country.
韩国罕见病例:8次检查7次阴性 男孩发病6天后去世

https://twitter.com/jenniferatntd

Yes, there is a bit of a context to what the article says, it largely qualifies the statement, sure, children and teens still may require some hospitalization. I still don't think we should just talk in absolute terms "teens aren't at risk" if a fair number of them do suffer sickness still.

From the article at Medium:

A World Health Organization report on China concluded that cases of Covid-19 in children were “relatively rare and mild.” Among cases in people under age 19, only 2.5% developed severe disease while 0.2% developed critical disease.

Yeah, okay, not many of them suffer seriously but still, this is quite different than saying they are not at risk.

[Applewood]

With churches closing, US priest offers drive-thru confessions

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/with-churches-closing-us-priest-offers-drive-thru-confessions/ar-BB11uuK9?ocid=msedgntp

[skeeter]

Chinese disinformation, depending on what side it falls on, makes China look good

Secondly, my remark also is in regards to the member's statement about people using their heads. If people are tossing out insults and slinging mud, that can go around.

The article also discusses that Stanford Professor,  John Ionnidis. We've already been through that and Stanford's connections to China.

From the article:
Okay, maybe the article has a special context to this statement, so maybe I'm taking it wrong but what we do know:
Yes, there is a bit of a context to what the article says, it largely qualifies the statement, sure, children and teens still may require some hospitalization. I still don't think we should just talk in absolute terms "teens aren't at risk" if a fair number of them do suffer sickness still.

From the article at Medium:
Yeah, okay, not many of them suffer seriously but still, this is quite different than saying they are not at risk.

There was alot more to the article than that, Tom.

[Idiot]

This is impossible.  Noted scientist Rachel Madow Madcow says the hydroxychloroquine-azithromycin combo doesn't work at all, and the President needs to be shut up by the press to keep him from spreading hopeful lies like this.  See, even the Great Andrew Cuomo fell for the Trump Lies!

At some point, people are going to start getting angry with the panic mongers.

Fixed it for you....

[TomSea]

You know what hasn't made it's way into our media? It be left, right, center US media?  There has been some chatter and indeed a report presented in this report, that the Coronavirus can cause infertility.

Do we really need to explore all of the age groups AT THIS TIME AT LEAST, to see if there is some risk of men at least becoming infertile??

NOT PEER REVIEWED:

ACE2 Expression in Kidney and Testis May Cause Kidney and Testis Damage
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.02.12.20022418v1.full.pdf

Check this out:

Latest coronavirus research: Coronavirus Will Render Most Male Patients Infertile | News

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Okay, looks like the same Nanjing lab... that said, these are real red flags to me to just minimize the potential damage.

What if we found out, there really is a big danger with infertility when it hits men?  Do we just discount this totally??

BTW also, the illness itself is a big man-killer vs. killing females though I am sure that happens.

Some chatter also says, that the study in that it could affect infertility might mean, it's killing the elderly (to 15% at some rates in age groups) and some other males become infertile. Does this sound a bit like population control??

As they say, we do NOT know everything about this, we probably do not know half of what there is to know about it.

[240B]

COVID-19 will eventually be an accelerator pushing the world more quickly into the future.
Every global calamity, every war, in every case led to hundreds of new inventions, innovations, and medical procedures.
This will be the same, although it may take years and many deaths before it all comes to fruition.
Adversity leads to progress. And we will likely lose our dependance on China for just about everything.
All the China cheerleaders in D.C. can no longer deny that they have put us in a very dangerous situation.
Once we get through this, we will be stronger and better off for it.

[TomSea]

BTW,  3-21-2020 White House Press Briefing Live

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BTW, I think President Trump's statement was effective and very leader-like, just my .02 cents. I did not catch the very beginning.

[libertybele]

Watching the press conference --- woah. Trump is coming across very weary and downright tired.  Not good, but to be expected.

Prayers up for President Trump!!

[TomSea]

COVID-19 will eventually be an accelerator pushing the world more quickly into the future.
Every global calamity, every war, in every case led to hundreds of new inventions, innovations, and medical procedures.
This will be the same, although it may take years and many deaths before it all comes to fruition.
Adversity leads to progress. And we will likely lose our dependance on China for just about everything.
All the China cheerleaders in D.C. can no longer deny that they have put us in a very dangerous situation.
Once we get through this, we will be stronger and better off for it.

Well said, eloquently stated.

[libertybele]

Thanks @TomSea   -- hoping everyone tunes in and please, please, pray for our President and this country!

[libertybele]

President saying that Pence has slept very little -- my guess is neither one of them have slept very much.  6 days into 15 day challenge to contain this virus.

[TomSea]

Maybe this illness is not  Dr. Carson's forte (he's up there too) but, he must have a pretty good educated input on all of this.


Oh, it sounds like Dr. Ben Carson IS going to speak, it sounds like it. Alright!

[Cyber Liberty]

@TomSea I appreciate your keeping this thread fresh.

[skeeter]

Watching the press conference --- woah. Trump is coming across very weary and downright tired.  Not good, but to be expected.

Prayers up for President Trump!!

IMO only, but Trump's initial instincts about this outbreak were correct. He's reading from a script now, and his job will be to talk the nation off the ledge without leaving himself open to criticism for being callous over the next 9 days.

[mountaineer]

Watching the press conference --- woah. Trump is coming across very weary and downright tired.  Not good, but to be expected.

I think he could let someone else handle a few of these or, even better, not make all of them "press conference" events. Just brief the public on the latest developments, and end it.

[Idiot]

I saw this on Twitter. This is very good for putting this virus into perspective.

Good article.  It appears the virus doesn't like humidity and heat.  So I suppose global warming will kill it...who would have thought that it was a good thing...lol.  We are supposed to hit close to 90 mid-week...bring on the heat!

[240B]

I looked up this morning whether or not you can develop an immunity to it.
According to the CDC once you are exposed and recover, you are immune, like most diseases.
The stealth part of the virus is we don't know how many of us may have been lightly exposed and have already overcome it.
That is to say that even if you are exposed it is not automatic that you will develop full blown symptoms.
Everybody is different. But definitely stay safe and be careful.
And stay away from paper money if you can and/or wash hands after. It may be contaminated.

[Hoodat]

The latest numbers on the Johns Hopkins site:

New York, US
Confirmed: 8,403
Deaths: 46
Recovered: 0
Active: 8,357

Compare that with the second worst state:

Washington, US
Confirmed: 1,524
Deaths: 83
Recovered: 0
Active: 1,441

FIVE times more deaths in NY (most in NYC) than the second worst state.

@libertybele

@musiclady

Two things here.  First, New York is the second worst State in deaths.  Secondly, there are 19 documented recoveries in Washington State, not zero.

[Hoodat]

Evidence over hysteria — COVID-19


The above linked article is FULL of very useful information for those who are choosing to use their heads.

Thank you, @Bigun

[Hoodat]

Okay, maybe the article has a special context to this statement, so maybe I'm taking it wrong but what we do know:

Jennifer Zeng 曾錚
@jenniferatntd
·
1h
A rare case in #SouthKorea. 17 y/o boy tested negative for #CCPVirus #COVID19 7 times (out of 8 tests) died 6 days after showing symptoms. He could be the first minor who died of #coronavirus in the country.
韩国罕见病例:8次检查7次阴性 男孩发病6天后去世

https://twitter.com/jenniferatntd

That is not at all what that twitter feed says. 

STOP IT !  YOU DON'T KNOW JACK !  STOP POSTING LINKS WITHOUT VETTING THEM FIRST !  YOUR TRACK RECORD ON THIS THREAD SUCKS BIGTIME !

[musiclady]

@musiclady

Two things here.  First, New York is the second worst State in deaths.  Secondly, there are 19 documented recoveries in Washington State, not zero.

Thank you for the correction, @Hoodat.  I accidentally said "deaths" instead of "cases" and went back to my post to correct it.

New York has five times more cases than the second worst state, Washington.

That was my only source for recoveries, so I accept your correction of the number of recoveries in Washington.

The point, however, remains the same.

New York is a hot mess with the number of cases they have there relative to everywhere else in the country.

The liberal "leadership" is to blame, IMO.  They did not take the closings seriously and were way behind the curve in slowing down the spread of this disease.

The absence of leadership is even more of a problem when so many people are together in a geographically small space.

DiBlasio and Cuomo should be ashamed of themselves.  I think they probably put politics over the safety of their people and did nothing because Trump and the Republicans in leadership were making decisions that were wise and showed concern for the health of US citizens.

[musiclady]

Latest numbers in New York:

Confirmed cases:  10,356
Deaths:  56

In Washington:

Confirmed cases:  1,524
Deaths:  83

Almost 7 times more cases in New York than the second worst state, Washington.

[jmyrlefuller]

Latest numbers in New York:

Confirmed cases:  10,356
Deaths:  56

In Washington:

Confirmed cases:  1,524
Deaths:  83

Almost 7 times more cases in New York than the second worst state, Washington.

A caveat there: New York is doing far more testing. They're using hospitalizations as a more relevant metric right now.