Police and other emergency services in Texas are responding to reports of an “active shooter” at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, local officials and witnesses say. Only few details are currently available.
The incident began just before noon on Tuesday when officers were called for a shooting at or near Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, a small city about 77 miles west of San Antonio.
“There is an active shooter at Robb Elementary. Law enforcement is on site,” the school district said in a statement. “Your cooperation is needed at this time by not visiting the campus. As soon as more information is gathered it will be shared.”
The rest of the district is under a Secure Status, it added.
Details about what happened were not immediately clear, but Mayor Don McLaughlin told Fox News that at least one person was shot, after which the shooter ran into the school. The situation is ongoing with the shooter barricaded inside.
Several people in the area reported hearing gunfire, but it’s unclear whether any shots were fired inside the school itself. A large number of emergency services have been called to the scene while officers work to secure the scene.
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Post by: mystery-ak on May 24, 2022, 06:08:15 pm
May 24, 2022 1:52pm EDT Uvalde, Texas elementary school reports 'active shooter' Texas authorities, Uvalde mayor say shooter is barricaded inside Robb Elementary school
By Greg Norman | Fox News
The Robb Elementary school in Uvalde, Texas says it’s on lockdown Tuesday as law enforcement is responding to an "active shooter."
The Texas Department of Public Safety and Uvalde Mayor Don McLaughlin told Fox News that one person has been shot and the shooter – who ran to the school – became barricaded inside it.
"There is an active shooter at Robb Elementary. Law enforcement is on site," the school posted on Facebook. "Your cooperation is needed at this time by not visiting the campus."
The school later said "Robb Elementary students are being transported to the Willie DeLeon Civic Center for reunification."
The Uvalde Consolidated Independent School District first reported a lockdown at Robb Elementary at 11:43 a.m. local time.
"Please know at this time all campuses are under a Lockdown Status due to gunshots in the area. The students and staff are safe in the buildings," the district had said in a message to parents.
Robb Elementary is about 80 miles west of San Antonio.
Fox News' Bill Melugin contributed to this report.
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Post by: mystery-ak on May 24, 2022, 07:28:37 pm
May 24, 2022 2:44pm EDT Uvalde, Texas elementary school reports 'active shooter,' suspect in custody Texas authorities said the suspected Robb Elementary shooter in Uvalde is in custody
By Greg Norman , Louis Casiano | Fox News
Robb Elementary school in Uvalde, Texas was placed on lockdown Tuesday as law enforcement responded to an "active shooter" who police say is now in custody.
The Texas Department of Public Safety and Uvalde Mayor Don McLaughlin told Fox News that one person has been shot and the shooter – who ran to the school –had become barricaded inside.
"There is an active shooter at Robb Elementary. Law enforcement is on site," the school posted on Facebook. "Your cooperation is needed at this time by not visiting the campus."
No information on the suspected shooter was released.
more https://www.foxnews.com/us/uvalde-texas-robb-elementary-school-active-shooter
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Post by: mountaineer on May 24, 2022, 08:08:30 pm
Two children dead, according to Breaking911 (https://breaking911.com/developping-several-students-hospitalized-after-reports-of-mass-shooting-at-texas-elementary-school/).
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Post by: Gefn on May 24, 2022, 08:23:54 pm
Live feed.
https://abcnews.go.com/Live
It’s reporting 14 dead
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Post by: Gefn on May 24, 2022, 08:27:03 pm
Now another ABC news site is reporting multiple people dead including gunman.
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Post by: mystery-ak on May 24, 2022, 08:27:53 pm
May 24, 2022 4:08pm EDT Uvalde, Texas school shooting: 2 dead, multiple children hospitalized Texas authorities said the suspected Robb Elementary shooter in Uvalde is in custody Greg Norman By Greg Norman , Louis Casiano | Fox News
Two people were killed and multiple children were hospitalized Tuesday during a shooting at an elementary school in Uvalde, Texas, which was placed on lockdown as law enforcement responded to an "active shooter" who police say is now in custody.
The Texas Department of Public Safety and Uvalde Mayor Don McLaughlin told Fox News that one person has been shot and the shooter – who ran to Robb Elementary School – had become barricaded inside. Uvalde Memorial Hospital confirmed that two people were brought to the hospital deceased.
Thirteen children were taken to the facility via ambulance or bus for treatment.
"There is an active shooter at Robb Elementary. Law enforcement is on site," the school posted on Facebook shortly after shots rang out. "Your cooperation is needed at this time by not visiting the campus."
No information on the suspected shooter or the victim was released. The school is located 80 miles west of San Antonio.
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Post by: Gefn on May 24, 2022, 08:28:27 pm
From the Daily Mail (UK)
As many as 14 elementary school kids are killed after Texas gunman barricaded himself inside school during shoot-out with border patrol: Shooter, 18, is killed by cops
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Post by: mystery-ak on May 24, 2022, 09:02:01 pm
Fox News reporting this...Abbott confirming .....shooter is dead 18yo local boy
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Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on May 24, 2022, 09:04:33 pm
UVALDE, Texas – Gov. Greg Abbott said Tuesday that 14 students and a teacher were killed at a Uvalde, Texas, elementary school.
Mr. Abbott said the school shooter is dead, believed to have been killed by responding officers.
Earlier reports, citing hospital officials, said two people were dead and more than two dozen children were injured.
Thirteen children were taken by ambulance or bus to Uvalde Memorial Hospital after an active shooter was reported at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, about 85 miles (135 kilometers) west of San Antonio, officials with the hospital said. The nature and severity of the people’s injuries wasn’t immediately known, as is whether the dead are included in that count.
Another hospital, University Hospital in San Antonio, said a 66-year-old woman was in critical condition.
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Post by: mystery-ak on May 24, 2022, 09:05:34 pm
BNO News @BNONews · 6m MASSACRE AT ELEMENTARY SCHOOL - Robb Elementary School - In Uvalde, west of San Antonio - Gunman opened fire - 14 children and 1 teacher killed - 13 injured, including 1 adult - Nearly all victims are children - Suspect killed by police - ID'd as 18-year-old man - Motive unknown
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Post by: mystery-ak on May 24, 2022, 09:07:19 pm
Travis Akers @travisakers · 51m My children’s lives are worth more than your “gun rights.”
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Post by: mrclose on May 24, 2022, 09:08:45 pm
Picture of shooter. Apparently not a white supremacist!?
I do not understand...so all I can do is 8888crybaby.
me too... 8888crybaby
they were little kids...
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Post by: mystery-ak on May 24, 2022, 09:14:09 pm
Carmine Sabia @CarmineSabia · 3m There are 14 babies and an adult dead in a mass shooting in Uvalde Texas. I do have the name and photo of the shooter but it’s not public, but Republicans and Democrats I’m disgusted with how quick you stepped on the bodies of these babies to politicize this.
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Post by: mystery-ak on May 24, 2022, 09:15:39 pm
Carmine Sabia @CarmineSabia · 4m And if there were signs or if this kid was reported before and law-enforcement was aware of this Uvalde shooter and did not do anything then we have a lot of questions we need to start asking.
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Post by: mystery-ak on May 24, 2022, 09:16:30 pm
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Post by: mystery-ak on May 24, 2022, 09:18:19 pm
Bill Melugin @BillFOXLA · 19m BREAKING: TX Governor Greg Abbott confirms 14 students and one teacher have been killed in a mass shooting at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, TX. Shooter is dead. Uvalde Mayor tells me press conference will be at 5pm local time. @FoxNews
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Post by: mystery-ak on May 24, 2022, 09:18:54 pm
Markie Martin @MarkieMartin · 4m UVALDE: Gov. Abbott confirms the shooter—identified as 18-year-old Salvador Ramos—is no longer alive.
It’s believed Ramos shot and killed his grandmother before heading to the school and killing at least 15 people there.
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Post by: Gefn on May 24, 2022, 09:19:54 pm
Texas gunman, 18, shoots dead 14 elementary schoolkids, one teacher, and seriously injures 13 after barricading himself inside building during shoot-out with border patrol: Shooter also shot his grandmother before cops killed him
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Post by: rustynail on May 24, 2022, 09:19:58 pm
Salvador Ramos? White Nationalist?
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Post by: mystery-ak on May 24, 2022, 09:20:41 pm
ThunderousApplause @ThunderousAppl4 · 47s Society is sick folks. The left will blame the guns but that's the least of the problem. The real issue is that people are sick and life has lost its value. People are ruled by feelings and feel no other accountability or empathy.
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Post by: Wingnut on May 24, 2022, 09:21:06 pm
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Post by: mystery-ak on May 24, 2022, 09:33:03 pm
Marina Medvin 🇺🇸 @MarinaMedvin · 2m My heart hurts. My soul hurts. But I cannot imagine the pain these parents are feeling right now; the grandparents, the young siblings; these families are forever destroyed. There is no recovery, only pain that might be eased by moments of time moving away. But no recovery.
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Post by: mystery-ak on May 24, 2022, 09:35:12 pm
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Post by: mystery-ak on May 24, 2022, 09:36:35 pm
Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene🇺🇸 @RepMTG · 3m Our nation needs to take a serious look at the state of mental health today.
Sometimes meds can be the problem.
America is failing our youngest generations from decades of rejecting good moral values and teachings.
We don’t need more gun control.
We need to return to God.
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Post by: mystery-ak on May 24, 2022, 09:37:03 pm
Carmine Sabia @CarmineSabia · 43s And your 20,000 gun laws didn’t do shit to protect these 14 kids. You people get elected and you don’t do shit. Republicans Democrats I don’t care. You’ve not done a damn thing to protect people. A wide-open border guns in the hands of people who have been flagged already.
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Post by: mystery-ak on May 24, 2022, 09:37:53 pm
John W @txradioguy · 3m There’s parents that haven’t even been notified if their kids are alive or dead in the Uvalde TX shooting and there are people trying to score political points off of a tragedy. What a bunch of heartless ghouls.
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Post by: dfwgator on May 24, 2022, 09:38:31 pm
And here comes the Faux Sanctimony from the Rats.
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 24, 2022, 09:41:51 pm
May 24, 2022 4:08pm EDT Uvalde, Texas school shooting: 2 dead, multiple children hospitalized Texas authorities said the suspected Robb Elementary shooter in Uvalde is in custody Greg Norman By Greg Norman , Louis Casiano | Fox News
Two people were killed and multiple children were hospitalized Tuesday during a shooting at an elementary school in Uvalde, Texas, which was placed on lockdown as law enforcement responded to an "active shooter" who police say is now in custody.
The Texas Department of Public Safety and Uvalde Mayor Don McLaughlin told Fox News that one person has been shot and the shooter – who ran to Robb Elementary School – had become barricaded inside. Uvalde Memorial Hospital confirmed that two people were brought to the hospital deceased.
Thirteen children were taken to the facility via ambulance or bus for treatment.
"There is an active shooter at Robb Elementary. Law enforcement is on site," the school posted on Facebook shortly after shots rang out. "Your cooperation is needed at this time by not visiting the campus."
No information on the suspected shooter or the victim was released. The school is located 80 miles west of San Antonio.
Anybody else remember as recently as the mid-60's,bringing your gun and ammo to school with you and keeping it in your locker so you could go hunting with friends after school?
And NOBODY cared?
Granted,nobody in the city did this because there was nothing to hunt in the city,but I am guessing it was fairly common all over the country in rural areas.
Hell,I remember bring my antique 12 gauge double-barrel shotgun to elementary school after discussing guns with the principle during a recess,and his asking to look at it. Took it on the bus with me,and nobody even blinked.
Good thing we had really strict gun control back then,huh?
HEY!........Wait a minute,here..........
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Post by: Smokin Joe on May 24, 2022, 09:52:30 pm
ThunderousApplause @ThunderousAppl4 · 47s Society is sick folks. The left will blame the guns but that's the least of the problem. The real issue is that people are sick and life has lost its value. People are ruled by feelings and feel no other accountability or empathy.
This sums it up.
There is evil in the world. At a time when on one hand society is encouraging the mental illness, confusing children at a fundamental level about fundamental things, we have cheapened the lives of all humans, using inflammatory rhetoric, desensitizing our progeny to gore, pain, and slaughter disguised as entertainment, howling for the alleged right to kill babies in the womb, why are we so shocked that events like this occur?
Because those of us who are not evil do not see the benefit of any of this to any of us.
We need to become a kinder, gentler, society in spirit, and be ready to take the uncomfortable steps to stop this sort of criminality by instilling those traditional values which would help prevent or address the sort of insanity that leads to events like this.
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Post by: rustynail on May 24, 2022, 09:53:16 pm
Our Joe Biden is to address the nation tonight at 8:15PM.
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Post by: Smokin Joe on May 24, 2022, 09:53:38 pm
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Post by: mystery-ak on May 24, 2022, 10:14:43 pm
Bill Melugin @BillFOXLA · 5m NEW: CBP sources tell me a Border Patrol agent was injured by gunfire while responding to the mass shooting at Robb Elementary School. Those CBP sources tell me Border Patrol was NOT involved in any pursuit in relation to this incident, despite rumors/claims they were. @FoxNews
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Post by: mystery-ak on May 24, 2022, 10:16:24 pm
Arthur Schwartz @ArthurSchwartz · 46s The shooter broke multiple laws simply by possessing that gun (he’s under 21) and carrying it on school property (gun free zone). Criminals don’t comply with gun control laws.
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Post by: mystery-ak on May 24, 2022, 10:17:18 pm
Carmine Sabia @CarmineSabia · 59m OK the Uvalde shooter was confirmed as 18-year-old Salvador Ramos. CNN withholding the name after disgustingly @JakeTapper and @JulietteKayyem immediately assumed it was a white supremacist because everyone politicized this immediately.
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Post by: Elderberry on May 24, 2022, 10:26:00 pm
SUSPECT INFO: Here’s what we know about the 18-year-old shooter who officials say killed his grandmother, 14 students, and 1 teacher
Authorities are releasing information on the teenage shooter who they say killed his grandmother before murdering 14 elementary school students, and 1 teacher at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde Tuesday morning.
According to officials, 18-year-old Salvador Rolando Ramos is the person who police believe acted as a lone wolf shooter in the incident. It is believed he was armed with a handgun and possibly a rifle.
Officials say two officers were also struck by gunfire but were not seriously injured.
Initial details on the suspect were not immediately available, however, officials say Ramos is apparently from the town of Uvalde, which is 85 miles west of San Antonio, and that he was reportedly born on May 16, 2004.
He was said to have been shot and killed by authorities moments after the shooting, according to Texas Governor Greg Abbott.
It is unclear what motive Ramos had in this shooting is.
The students who attend that school are 2nd, 3rd, and 4th graders.
This is a breaking news story.
18-year-old shoots grandmother before killing 14 students, 1 teacher at Uvalde elementary school, Gov. Abbott says
Uvalde school shooting PHOTOS: Latest images from the scene, aftermath
‘Horrific loss’: Gov. Greg Abbott, other Texas leaders react after at least 15 killed in Uvalde elementary school shooting
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Post by: mystery-ak on May 24, 2022, 10:26:44 pm
Biden to deliver address on Uvalde school shooting, orders flags flown at half-staff
President Biden on Tuesday ordered all American flags at the White House and public buildings be flown at half-staff to honor the victims of the Uvalde school shooting that took 15 lives, many of them children.
The order also applies to all military post, naval stations and vessels until Saturday at sunset.He will address the shooting at 8:15 P.M. ET from the Roosevelt Room in the White House.
The order came hours after a gunman opened fire at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, about 80 miles west of San Antonio.
The shooter was killed. Posted by Louis Casiano
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Post by: sneakypete on May 24, 2022, 10:28:06 pm
So,the Dims and the RINO's are going to blame this on the Border Patrol?
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Post by: mystery-ak on May 24, 2022, 10:31:42 pm
8888crybaby
Dante Bellini, Jr. @DB1458 · 4m I’m reminded who these kids were. Little ones who woke up and ate a favorite cereal. Who tied their shoes and brushed their teeth. Who hugged their moms, dads. Who laughed with friends on the bus. Who were excited about summer vacation. Who could’ve changed this screwed up world.
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Post by: Kamaji on May 24, 2022, 10:31:45 pm
How have we managed to raise such a generation of vipers?
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Post by: mystery-ak on May 24, 2022, 10:36:31 pm
People got more interested in bigger houses,bigger cars,and more vacations,and the children had to pay the price when mom started working a regular job,and like dad,got all the overtime she could get,because,after all,what is more important than a bigger house,bigger car,and more "new stuff"?
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Post by: Kamaji on May 24, 2022, 10:44:30 pm
People got more interested in bigger houses,bigger cars,and more vacations,and the children had to pay the price when mom started working a regular job,and like dad,got all the overtime she could get,because,after all,what is more important than a bigger house,bigger car,and more "new stuff"?
It's more than that.
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Post by: mystery-ak on May 24, 2022, 10:49:05 pm
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Post by: mystery-ak on May 24, 2022, 11:05:18 pm
Kyle Becker @kylenabecker · 2m But socialists 'care' so much about people's lives that they are willing to murder them in the tens of millions and abort babies in the tens of millions.
Get out of here. Nobody believes that you care.
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Post by: mystery-ak on May 24, 2022, 11:12:31 pm
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Post by: Cyber Liberty on May 25, 2022, 12:00:02 am
Obviously a white supremacist. *****rollingeyes*****
White Hispanic.
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Post by: jmyrlefuller on May 25, 2022, 12:06:55 am
Another public school shooting. Kids left like sitting ducks for the next mass murderer.
There've been school shootings before, but most of the time it was kids shooting kids their own age from their own school. Now it's outsiders, usually adults, barging into schools they don't attend, massacring people often much younger than they are. Newtown. Parkland. And now this. It's being done on purpose: to shock, to manipulate. The murderers usually don't know or care who their victims are, only that they will cause the most shock possible by killing them. It's the same with the Buffalo shooter last week: pick a black 'hood and watch the "white supremacy" histrionics fly. They're "edgelords" to the extreme.
All the enhanced security put in in the past two decades hasn't done squat to stop this new era of mass murderers. Yet you still can't enter public buildings through a side door.
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Post by: AllThatJazzZ on May 25, 2022, 12:15:59 am
Hey, fellow septuagenarians. Remember all those school mass shootings back in our day? Neither do I. This isn't the same America. We weren't perfect but we weren't bat guano crazy. Everyone keeps talking about how to secure schools. Why don't we examine how we got here? Madalyn Murray O'Hare is a good starting place.
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Post by: AllThatJazzZ on May 25, 2022, 12:22:27 am
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Post by: mystery-ak on May 25, 2022, 12:24:03 am
Rob Reiner: Blood of Every Child that Dies of Gun Violence Is on the Hands of Republicans
Director and actor Rob Reiner issued an extreme statement in response to the school shooting in Uvalde, Texas, blaming Republicans for the horrific act that left 18 students and three adults dead.
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Post by: mystery-ak on May 25, 2022, 12:25:17 am
Hollywood Celebrities Capitalize on Texas School Shooting: ‘F**k the GOP and Their Obsession with Guns’
Hollywood celebrities wasted little time capitalizing on the school shooting in Uvalde, Texas, on Tuesday, urging voters and lawmakers to support more gun control while also blaming the shooting on Republicans and other supporters of Second Amendment rights.
Rob Reiner: Blood of Every Child that Dies of Gun Violence Is on the Hands of Republicans
Director and actor Rob Reiner issued an extreme statement in response to the school shooting in Uvalde, Texas, blaming Republicans for the horrific act that left 18 students and three adults dead.
Hey, fellow septuagenarians. Remember all those school mass shootings back in our day? Neither do I. This isn't the same America. We weren't perfect but we weren't bat guano crazy. Everyone keeps talking about how to secure schools. Why don't we examine how we got here? Madalyn Murray O'Hare is a good starting place.
I remember back in the day when life was valued, especially children's lives. Something happened in 1973 that changed all that.
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Post by: Gefn on May 25, 2022, 12:28:39 am
Hey, fellow septuagenarians. Remember all those school mass shootings back in our day? Neither do I. This isn't the same America. We weren't perfect but we weren't bat guano crazy. Everyone keeps talking about how to secure schools. Why don't we examine how we got here? Madalyn Murray O'Hare is a good starting place.
The first school shooting I was aware of was that of Brenda Spenser in January 1979. Probably because of the song that came out in July 79 by the Boomtown Rats and was all over the radio.
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Post by: DCPatriot on May 25, 2022, 12:30:08 am
It's violent video games, rap music and the America-Idol celebrity takeover of the culture.
It's the DELIBERATE division of the People by race and by political POV/ideology. It's a return to dangerous tribalism.
Of course, I may be completely full of crap. :shrug:
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Post by: mystery-ak on May 25, 2022, 12:33:46 am
Biden about to address the nation
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Post by: AllThatJazzZ on May 25, 2022, 12:34:27 am
You're right. Human life -- particularly innocent human life -- started to become more and more devalued after that. That was 11 years after Madalyn Murray O'Hare changed our culture.
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Post by: Hoodat on May 25, 2022, 12:34:57 am
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Post by: mystery-ak on May 25, 2022, 12:36:30 am
Maria Shriver @mariashriver · 1h .@GregAbbott_TX , @tedcruz , @JohnCornyn . Every one of you must answer for this. Do something right now, tonight, or get out.
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Post by: AllThatJazzZ on May 25, 2022, 12:36:39 am
Rob Reiner: Blood of Every Child that Dies of Gun Violence Is on the Hands of Republicans
Director and actor Rob Reiner issued an extreme statement in response to the school shooting in Uvalde, Texas, blaming Republicans for the horrific act that left 18 students and three adults dead.
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Post by: mystery-ak on May 25, 2022, 12:42:46 am
Bill Melugin @BillFOXLA · 1m NEW: Border Patrol sources tell me an elite BORTAC Border Patrol agent is believed to have shot and killed the gunman at Robb Elementary School today. I’m told he entered with a tactical team while TX LEOs were engaged w/ barricaded shooter. Agent was injured.
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Post by: mystery-ak on May 25, 2022, 12:43:28 am
So,the Dims and the RINO's are going to blame this on the Border Patrol?
Nope. Biden is on blaming the guns....again.
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Post by: AllThatJazzZ on May 25, 2022, 12:47:48 am
He's turning it political now...When in God's name are we gonna stand up to the gun lobby..
Did anyone really think he wouldn't try to capitalize on the tragedy? All we needed to do was guess how many minutes into his speech it would happen.
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Post by: mystery-ak on May 25, 2022, 12:48:22 am
Charlie Spiering @charliespiering · 35s Joe Biden: "What in God's name do you need an assault weapon except to kill someone?"
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Post by: mystery-ak on May 25, 2022, 12:48:49 am
Carmine Sabia @CarmineSabia · 1m And Joe Biden stop pretending that the only thing we have guns for is to shoot bleep deer. That’s not what the second amendment is about. It doesn’t have a damn thing to do with deer.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: DCPatriot on May 25, 2022, 12:49:10 am
Of course, the HGLTVABCDEFG community won't allow it to be buried. They'll scream for more acceptance...that we're driving them insane.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 25, 2022, 12:49:16 am
Carmine Sabia @CarmineSabia · 2m Shame on you Joe Biden for pretending that you know this kid walked into a gun store and purchased two assault weapons when the fact is he got a handgun and we don’t know where he got it. Shame on you for making a political speech tonight.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 25, 2022, 12:49:34 am
True. God got kicked out of the schools, and this is what crept in.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 25, 2022, 12:49:50 am
Snarky Bastard @Snarky_Basterd · 8s Democrats don’t care about dead children. Democrats care only that In crisis there is opportunity. Every. Damned. Time.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 25, 2022, 12:50:11 am
Jonathan Lemire @JonLemire · 30s Biden: “I am sick and tired of it. We have to act.”
He declares the need and ability to purchase assault weapons “sick”
Notes that mass shootings don’t happen like this in any other nation. He questions America’s backbone, wonders why we tolerate “carnage”
“It’s time to act”
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 25, 2022, 12:50:53 am
Joey Jones @Johnny_Joey · 1m When poll numbers are in the dumps, a speech for the base is what we get.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 25, 2022, 12:53:33 am
Snarky Bastard @Snarky_Basterd · 8s Democrats don’t care about dead children. Democrats care only that In crisis there is opportunity. Every. Damned. Time.
A party that spends $500 million in taxpayer dollars each year to kill babies in the womb doesn't give a damn about the lives of future white-supremacist Texas school kids.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 25, 2022, 12:59:02 am
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: AllThatJazzZ on May 25, 2022, 01:02:33 am
God bless Tucker! Using his perch to speak for those of us who will never be heard.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 25, 2022, 01:06:09 am
The Nasty Italian🍷🇺🇸 🇮🇹 @sayitnspinit · 47s Does the teleprompter que Joe when to start screaming like a dummy? Or does he just do that on his own.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Lando Lincoln on May 25, 2022, 01:06:46 am
Jonathan Lemire @JonLemire · 30s Biden: “I am sick and tired of it. We have to act.”
He declares the need and ability to purchase assault weapons “sick”
Notes that mass shootings don’t happen like this in any other nation. He questions America’s backbone, wonders why we tolerate “carnage”
“It’s time to act”
No, in other countries, they conscript kids and hand them an AK or teach them how to saw off some infidel's head with a butcher knife. In other countries, they don't celebrate mental illness, either.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: DCPatriot on May 25, 2022, 01:46:46 am
I disagree. I am ZERO percent spiritual,and I was just thinking we need to bring back burning at the stake for crimes like this.
Try to make the horror of the execution match the horror of the deed. I know that is not really possible,but let's get as close to it as we can.
These people KNOW that chances are they will never live long enough to be executed for these crimes,and will probably get private rooms away from gen pop to keep them safe.
Take that away and make execution MANDATORY within 30 days of conviction,AND make viewing it mandatory for ALL prisoners in all federal prisons in the country.
Also,encourage getting your local PD's to make it mandatory viewing for every prisoner they have in local lockups.
Take away the "fame and the glory",and make their deaths a done deal in a short time,and it just MIGHT be enough to scare away at some some of them. I,personally think this would eliminate the majority of these mass slayings,but I am just guessing.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: sneakypete on May 25, 2022, 01:57:49 am
*I* THINK that these mass murderers are all "attention whores",and they do it dreaming of all the press they will get,as well as the tv "appearances" they will get while being led into and out of courtrooms.
Take this away from them by REQUIRING execution within 30 days of conviction,and I THINK most of it will go away. No need for a long court review of the conviction because it will all be reported every day anyhow,AND there will be videos of them being arrested at the scene of the murders.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: sneakypete on May 25, 2022, 02:01:53 am
Oh,yeah. The media will be blaring it 24/7,and claiming the harassment he/she got from the narrow-minded straights is what led to the stress that caused the breakdown.
Then they will claim it would have never happened if the government would confiscate all privately-owned firearms.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: sneakypete on May 25, 2022, 02:04:47 am
Snarky Bastard @Snarky_Basterd · 8s Democrats don’t care about dead children. Democrats care only that In crisis there is opportunity. Every. Damned. Time.
Of course they don't. They will just see these kids as 16 fewer they will need to control once they have total power.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 25, 2022, 02:10:56 am
Obama points finger at GOP, gun lobby in wake of Texas shooting https://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/3500580-obama-points-finger-at-gop-gun-lobby-in-wake-of-texas-shooting/
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 25, 2022, 02:20:03 am
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: 240B on May 25, 2022, 02:23:34 am
Democrats have only one single mind, absolute power and domination of America and Americans. They are more than willing to burn the entire country to the ground if they have to. Democrats are incapable of compassion, empathy, and simple dignity and honor. With Democrats every single thing they do is about grabbing POWER at any cost. If any situation no matter how egregious and tragic does not benefit them, then they have no use for it at all.
The shooter was not a White person so, it really doesn't matter to Democrats. Just wait and see. A week from now this will disappear. Or, they will make him a so called 'White Hispanic' as they have done before.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 25, 2022, 02:26:39 am
We have a mental heath crisis with our youth in our country. Blaming guns and gun rights is disingenuous.
Exactly and you know there were people aware of this 'local Boy's' problem and did nothing. If not a gun he would have found another way to kill innocents because sick people like this never want to go alone, they want other's to feel their pain or anger.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: GtHawk on May 25, 2022, 02:37:11 am
How have we managed to raise such a generation of vipers?
This is decades of the socialist democrats programming our children, they lie about Americas history, they remove consequences for bad behavior and actually reward it and rather than teach and reinforce respect they make disrespect the norm. You angry? go ahead and beat the hell out of who you're angry at with no consequences and really no legal repercussions.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: GtHawk on May 25, 2022, 02:49:40 am
Hollywood Celebrities Capitalize on Texas School Shooting: ‘F**k the GOP and Their Obsession with Guns’
Hollywood celebrities wasted little time capitalizing on the school shooting in Uvalde, Texas, on Tuesday, urging voters and lawmakers to support more gun control while also blaming the shooting on Republicans and other supporters of Second Amendment rights.
These people are insane, do they really believe that only members of the Republican party are gun owners? Sure every Black and every Hispanic, Asian and White that owns a gun is republican? because democrats of all colors are gun owners too. All these hypocritical liberal douches that make millions of dollars and fame making violent be reality movies are now going to stop right? Because promoting violent gun culture is against their beliefs, right? And because they so detest guns they are going to ban their expensive personal bodyguards from carrying guns, right? OF COURSE NOT! It's only we unwashed ignorant unenlightened masses that aren't supposed to be able to protect our selves and families.
Every single one, every one, of these sanctimonious socialist 'entertainers' that condemn us and our right to protection should never again have a penny put in their pockets by the conservatives they so despise. I know that I won't pay to see any of their movies in a theater or rental.
You hear nothing from them about dealing with the real cause, the mental health crises with young and old Americans, so much of it caused by their liberal socialist programs and especially the covid lockdown and asinine masking that dehumanized our children's interactions.
No they just fall back to their socialist wet dream of disarming everyone that disagrees with them so that only they and government have power.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: GtHawk on May 25, 2022, 02:55:28 am
The first school shooting I was aware of was that of Brenda Spenser in January 1979. Probably because of the song that came out in July 79 by the Boomtown Rats and was all over the radio.
The sad thing is there is nothing new about school shootings and massacres, America has a long history of them. https://www.k12academics.com/school-shootings/history-school-shootings-united-states
What I think has changed is the lack of community and sense of belonging, our cities have just gotten so large that nobody knows each other. Also a reason for this I believe is our oh so convenient modern world, instead of people socializing(both children and and adults) after school and work most tune into the TV or get lost on the computer and video games. This is why I think, say the 50's, was better than now even with all the advances. Too much has been lost by too many and those that get involved with sports and other group interactions are too few.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: GtHawk on May 25, 2022, 03:09:11 am
Maria Shriver @mariashriver · 1h .@GregAbbott_TX , @tedcruz , @JohnCornyn . Every one of you must answer for this. Do something right now, tonight, or get out.
What have you done Maria? You certainly enjoyed the fruit of all those movies Ahhhnold made glorifying violence and guns, I don't recall hearing from you about it before. Crawl back in your liberal hole, it's because of democrat policies that we live in todays world of sick individuals. If we had more armed teachers in schools maybe we wouldn't be mourning so many deaths.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: GtHawk on May 25, 2022, 03:17:59 am
No, don't you see the media line will be all those children he murdered won't be his fault it will because he was bullied because he was transgendered, and that's why those little children that had nothing to do with it had to die. You watch, they will say he is unable to stand trial for his heinous acts because, wait for it.....he's mentally ill.
I truly hope that some despondent/angry/ outraged father or uncle shoots this Sumbitch dead before some liberal judge and DA plays the mental illness card and let's him off. If I was on the jury for whoever killed this defective I would vote for acquittal.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 25, 2022, 03:18:06 am
Just reading that Border Patrol was after him suggests something to me.
Border patrol was not after the shooter. Border patrol got involved in this after the shooter was in the school ..... in answer to a clarion call for more backup.
No, don't you see the media line will be all those children he murdered won't be his fault it will because he was bullied because he was transgendered, and that's why those little children that had nothing to do with it had to die. You watch, they will say he is unable to stand trial for his heinous acts because, wait for it.....he's mentally ill.
To me, the fact that he liked wearing dresses screams "mental illness". So yeah, if they want to play the 'mentally ill' card, I'm game.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: GtHawk on May 25, 2022, 03:21:46 am
Border patrol was not after the shooter. Border patrol got involved in this after the shooter was in the school ..... in answer to a clarion call for more backup.
Anybody else remember as recently as the mid-60's,bringing your gun and ammo to school with you and keeping it in your locker so you could go hunting with friends after school?
And NOBODY cared?
Granted,nobody in the city did this because there was nothing to hunt in the city,but I am guessing it was fairly common all over the country in rural areas.
Hell,I remember bring my antique 12 gauge double-barrel shotgun to elementary school after discussing guns with the principle during a recess,and his asking to look at it. Took it on the bus with me,and nobody even blinked.
Good thing we had really strict gun control back then,huh?
HEY!........Wait a minute,here..........
I was teaching at a rural school district in the 90's, up until Columbine, kids kept a rifle or shotgun in a rack in the back window of the pickup truck. No one ever said a word. Heck my teaching partner used to show the kids how to reblue barrels, in the school. He and the Chemistry teacher made a lesson out of it.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: verga on May 25, 2022, 11:36:20 am
The first school shooting I was aware of was that of Brenda Spenser in January 1979. Probably because of the song that came out in July 79 by the Boomtown Rats and was all over the radio.
@Gefn The very first recorded school shooting happened in 1840 John Anthony Gardner Davis, a law professor at the University of Virginia, was shot by student Joseph Semmes and died three days later.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: verga on May 25, 2022, 11:47:51 am
I have said it before and I will keep saying it until people listen or I pass away. We need to train and arm willing teachers and school staff. We need to put signs outside of the schools that state that the staff is armed and willing to defend the lives of their studentsa nd fellow staff members.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: txradioguy on May 25, 2022, 12:30:47 pm
John W @txradioguy · 3m There’s parents that haven’t even been notified if their kids are alive or dead in the Uvalde TX shooting and there are people trying to score political points off of a tragedy. What a bunch of heartless ghouls.
The political point scoring by the left got much worse after I posted that. It's disgusting.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Kamaji on May 25, 2022, 12:32:36 pm
The political point scoring by the left got much worse after I posted that. It's disgusting.
Yes, it is.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on May 25, 2022, 12:35:09 pm
To me, the fact that he liked wearing dresses screams "mental illness". So yeah, if they want to play the 'mentally ill' card, I'm game.
Mental illness is obvious as he shot his own grandma.
Reminds me of another cold blooded killer Charles Whitman in 1966 who killed his wife and mother before he climbed the UT tower for a shooting spree that shot 42 people.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: txradioguy on May 25, 2022, 12:42:12 pm
I'm sure at some point he'll be labeled as a "White Hispanic"
It's only a matter of time.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 25, 2022, 12:54:15 pm
MSNBC’s Reid: Canada, Mexico Should Build Border Walls in Response to U.S. Mass Shootings
Pam Key 24 May 2022
MSNBC anchor Joy Reid said Tuesday on her show “The ReidOut” that Canada and Mexico should build walls along their borders with the United States because of the number of mass shootings.
Network contributor Matthew Dowd said, “They are not ever going to talk about what the problem is, which is access to guns. Access to guns without checks and without mental health confirmation. That’s what you’re going to hear from the Republicans. They will divert it, so they don’t have to talk about the real problem, which is access to guns.”
Reid said, “I’m sorry, but they will try that without any data because I just read this stat, and I’ll say it again. School shootings by country, you want to make it sound like the problem is the border, so the problem is coming over the border from Mexico? Good luck with that — 288 school shootings in the United States thus far this year, eight in Mexico, eight. We are scores of magnitude more dangerous on this side of the border than that one. Maybe Mexico should build a wall to keep the American mass shooters out because that would actually be more logical.”
more https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2022/05/24/msnbcs-reid-canada-mexico-should-build-border-walls-in-response-to-u-s-mass-shootings/
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 25, 2022, 01:02:34 pm
All students killed in Uvalde shooting were in same classroom, official says by Cami Mondeaux, Breaking News Reporter | | May 25, 2022 08:45 AM
All 19 of the children killed in a shooting at a Texas elementary school on Tuesday were in the same fourth grade classroom, according to a state public safety official.
The 18-year-old gunman, Salvador Ramos, had reportedly made it into several classrooms while carrying out his attack, which left at least 22 dead, including 19 children, two teachers, and the shooter. It’s not immediately clear whether the teachers were in the same classroom.
An anonymous law enforcement official told the Associated Press that a Border Patrol agent shot and killed the gunman after rushing into Robb Elementary School without waiting for backup. The shooter was hiding behind a barricade and engaging in gunfire with other officials, this source said.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 25, 2022, 01:05:19 pm
Shooter tells kids ‘you’re going to die’: Horrific last moments, 10-yr.-old shot while calling 911 May 25, 2022 | Kevin Haggerty
Of those present at a Texas elementary school Tuesday morning when a murderer entered the building and took the lives of at least 19 children and two teachers, it is being reported that one of the victims spent her last moments trying to save the lives of her classmates while the suspect declared, “You’re going to die.”
Salvador Ramos was identified as the 18-year-old shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas where witnesses described him wearing body armor while carrying a handgun and a rifle. As the suspect opened fire on the defenseless students and faculty, 10-year-old Amerie Jo Garza did what she could to try and help her peers.
The fourth-grader was said to have taken out her cellphone in an effort to call the police before the suspect saw what she was doing. Berlinda Irene Arreola, Garza’s grandmother, explained in a message to The Daily Beast, “My Grand Daughter was shot and killed for trying to call 911, she died a Hero trying to get help for her and her fellow classmates.”
more https://www.bizpacreview.com/2022/05/25/shooter-tells-kids-youre-going-to-die-horrific-last-moments-10-yr-old-shot-while-calling-911-1242095/
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Kamaji on May 25, 2022, 01:05:41 pm
How was he able to gain entrance to the school? Were the doors unlocked?
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: verga on May 25, 2022, 01:08:27 pm
There have been 981 violent crimes committed by illegal immigrants this year, not counting the 1600 robberies and drug trafficking, or almost 3400 illegal entry/ reentry. Maybe they come here because the picking are better.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 25, 2022, 01:09:22 pm
Border Patrol Agent Rushed Into Texas School And Killed Shooter: REPORT
Brianna Lyman Reporter May 24, 2022 9:09 PM ET Font Size:
A border patrol agent reportedly rushed into the Texas elementary school where a gunman opened fire Tuesday and fatally shot the suspected shooter.
An unidentified agent was near Robb Elementary School in Ulvade, Texas, when 18-year-old Salvador Romas opened fire, killing at least 18 children, The Associated Press (AP) reported. The agent rushed into the school and found Romas barricaded, a law enforcement official who spoke on the condition of anonymity told the AP. The agent fatally shot Romas, according to the report. The agent was reportedly wounded but managed to make it out of the school, according to the report. It is unclear how the agent was injured.
more https://dailycaller.com/2022/05/24/border-patrol-agent-killed-texas-shooter/
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mountaineer on May 25, 2022, 01:12:06 pm
How was he able to gain entrance to the school? Were the doors unlocked?
That puzzled me. Even in our little burg in gun-toting W.Va., you can't get into the public schools. Doors are locked, you have to buzz the intercom, state your business and be approved for entry before being admitted.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Cyber Liberty on May 25, 2022, 01:12:51 pm
Wasn't the largest casualty school killing event done with dynamite? Memory is a bit foggy on this....
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mountaineer on May 25, 2022, 01:13:36 pm
Wasn't the largest casualty school killing event done with dynamite? Memory is a bit foggy on this....
Yes, Michigan in the 1920s. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Cyber Liberty on May 25, 2022, 01:14:06 pm
That puzzled me. Even in our little burg in gun-toting W.Va., you can't get into the public schools. Doors are locked, you have to buzz the intercom, state your business and be approved for entryand before being admitted.
Is that to prevent a shooting, or to prevent Custodial Interference?
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mountaineer on May 25, 2022, 01:19:43 pm
Is that to prevent a shooting, or to prevent Custodial Interference?
Both. To try to prevent any sort harm befalling the kiddies, whether from noncustodial parents or strangers. When I've visited a school for a news story, I've gone through the same routine.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Elderberry on May 25, 2022, 01:22:29 pm
There have been 981 violent crimes committed by illegal immigrants this year, not counting the 1600 robberies and drug trafficking, or almost 3400 illegal entry/ reentry. Maybe they come here because the picking are better.
Maybe so, but this shooter, Salvador Ramos, was not an illegal immigrant.
That puzzled me. Even in our little burg in gun-toting W.Va., you can't get into the public schools. Doors are locked, you have to buzz the intercom, state your business and be approved for entryand before being admitted.
Same with all the schools where I live: All doors are locked to the outside (emergency doors will open from the inside), and there is only one controlled front entrance where people can enter, and if one does not have an ID pass, one has to talk to the security officer and go to the front office to get permission to access the rest of the school. And, because of the way the school lobbies are laid out, there is a second set of internal doors that have to be accessed before a person gets unfettered access to the classrooms.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: sneakypete on May 25, 2022, 01:26:47 pm
And THERE it is! There is no way in hell this kid suddenly flipped his lid the day before this happened,and decided to go shoot up a school the next day.
Wanna blame someone? Blame his parents AND the shrink/shrink employer for not recognizing he was dangerous,and locking his ass UP.
Granted,it is the nature of parents to overlook or dismiss the signs as "just a stage he is going through",but the mental health authorities have no such excuse. It is their JOB to identify problems and do what they can to resolve them so their patient is no longer a danger to themselves or anyone else.
I do understand that nobody likes the idea of locking someone away for what is essentially a life sentence,especially a minor,but their first obligation is NOT to themselves OR to their patient. It is to protect the innocent from what is determined to be a genuine threat to public safety.
Granted,this is a serious step to be taken,especially given that most of these kids haven't even committed any crimes yet,but the ONLY way to monitor them and any successes or failure they may have in adjusting mentally is WHY they have degrees and jobs.
I don't like the idea of creating another bureaucracy,but each state should have a formal board to review the cases of patients whose shrinks are requesting they be put in a controlled living situation and closely monitored. Like parolees from prison,they should have to appear before a review board WITH their shrink or a representative from the institution that employees the shrink,and state WHY he is now fit to be released from institutionalized care.
There is no way in HELL anyone is going to convince me that this kid got to this stage without his parents,friends,and the kids he went to school and socialized with didn't notice it.
Yeah,the parents,being parents,will usually ignore this sort of thing and hope it gets better,but the neighbors,school mates,and anyone in the general public they come into contact with will damn sure notice "there is something off about that boy......."
Face it,this level of insanity can NOT be hidden by the loon any more than they can just decide to stop breathing. It IS who they are. Their whole sense of self/self-identity is tied into their psychosis.
Yeah,there are some highly intelligent kooks that understand they are nuts and need to hide it,but I suspect they are in the minority. They are the serial killer types,not the type that shoots up playgrounds or schools in mass shootings.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Kamaji on May 25, 2022, 01:32:18 pm
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Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mountaineer on May 25, 2022, 01:39:43 pm
And now, the warning signs:
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Suspected Uvalde gunman displayed violent tendencies before school massacre: Reports by Victor I. Nava, Overnight News Editor | | May 25, 2022 06:23 AM
The man who authorities believe opened fire inside a Texas elementary school, killing 19 students and two teachers on Tuesday, displayed violent tendencies and had a troubled home and school life, according to reports.
Friends, family, neighbors, and co-workers of 18-year-old Salvador Ramos, the suspected gunman, told media outlets in the aftermath of the shooting at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, that Ramos was generally quiet but at times could be threatening, violent, and displayed unstable behavior. ...
Read at Washington Examiner (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/crime/suspected-uvalde-gunman-displayed-violent-tendencies-before-elementary-school-shooting-reports?fbclid=IwAR1NyrqzOWTLraHdzOsomQBaoSKKjdoWLlfHPbgqIbKh6Lpbq7qm5LxBuRE)
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: txradioguy on May 25, 2022, 01:42:30 pm
How was he able to gain entrance to the school? Were the doors unlocked?
Reports I've read said the school was locked down at 11:43 yesterday morning.
The video shows him getting into the building via a side door or a door at the end of one of the wings of the school. It's hard to tell from the video.
Bottom line someone didn't make sure ALL the doors were secure.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Kamaji on May 25, 2022, 01:43:50 pm
Reports I've read said the school was locked down at 11:43 yesterday morning.
The video shows him getting into the building via a side door or a door at the end of one of the wings of the school. It's hard to tell from the video.
Bottom line someone didn't make sure ALL the doors were secure.
All doors other than the front entrance - manned by security staff - should be locked to outside access as a matter of course. Waiting until there is a lockdown order is just tempting fate.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: sneakypete on May 25, 2022, 01:43:52 pm
No, don't you see the media line will be all those children he murdered won't be his fault it will because he was bullied because he was transgendered, and that's why those little children that had nothing to do with it had to die.
I agree that is the JUSTIFICATION that will be used to excuse the shooter,but it is BullBush and anybody that thinks about it for 10 seconds will realize this.
There is ALWAYS a bully in any class of school kids. Yet,almost all seem to get over it by either maturing,or being taught manners by a fellow student.
EVERYBODY gets bullied when they are a child. Even some of the bullies,when they pick on the "wrong" kid. I personally cured one of this myself when I was in elementary school by applying a baseball bat to his person,and telling him through the tears if he EVER bleeped with me again I was going to beat him with the bat until I wore it out.
Didn't really hit him hard enough to really hurt him,but I did hit him hard enough to knock him down and scare the hell out of him. Hell,I was probably as scared as he was.
I did it in public,on school grounds in front of everybody,too. Never had ANYBODY try to pick on me after that. And,of course,I never tried to pick on anyone else,either.
I had a reaction to the first batch of Polio Shots distributed,and was bed-ridden for a few months,and this seemed to have an effect on my height. I had been normal,or maybe a touch taller than normal before,but it did something to my genes that really slowed down my growth. Even after I recovered,it took me months to be able to run faster than a walk. This really pissed me off because I loved playing baseball,and this made it awful hard for me to run to a base without getting tagged out. Didn't interfere with my muscle development,but really put the skids on growing much taller.
Or at least I am ASSUMING it was the reaction to the polio shot that caused this to happen.
Don't remember that SOB ever bulling anyone again. He was one of those freaks of nature that was probably a foot taller than everybody else,and loved using his size to intimidate everyone else and try to impress the girls.
The truth is,I did him a favor because if he had kept that crap up,sooner or later he would have met someone who would have just killed him outright. Or even a group of "someones".
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: sneakypete on May 25, 2022, 01:46:08 pm
He wasn't exactly in the closet because there had to be someone taking those photos.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Cyber Liberty on May 25, 2022, 01:53:54 pm
There are some school districts in Texas that allow teachers to be armed and have armed teachers.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 25, 2022, 02:03:49 pm
Texas school shooter Salvador Ramos was bullied at school because of the clothes he wore and because his family was poor, former classmate says
A 'close' friend of Salvador Ramos, 18, said the shooter used to be made fun of for his clothing and because his family was poor He said Ramos began showing up to class less and less from the bullying and 'slowly dropped out' 'He barely came to school,' the friend, who didn't want to be identified, said The friend said the pair kept up with each other occasionally through Xbox messages, but had largely lost contact after Ramos graduated However, Ramos - who had purchased two rifles on his 18th birthday just days before the shooting - sent the friend pictures of his guns and magazines When asked why he had it, Ramos reportedly replied: 'Don't worry about it'
By Laurence Dollimore and Alyssa Guzman For Dailymail.Com
Published: 00:33 EDT, 25 May 2022 | Updated: 05:31 EDT, 25 May 2022
A former classmate, who asked not to be identified, told CNN he and Ramos were somewhat 'close' and used to play Xbox together. The killer was a fan of the shooting and combat game Call of Duty.
On his since removed Instagram account, Ramos is believed to have shared a photo of two AR15-style rifles just three days before the killing at Robb Elementary school, while the bio on his TikTok page chillingly read: 'Kids be scared irl' (in real life).
While the motive for the massacre is not yet known, one neighbor told local news channel Newsy that he witnessed Ramos, who worked at a Wendy's, arguing with his grandmother, claiming he was 'angry that he did not graduate'.
more https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10851937/Texas-school-shooter-bullied-clothes-wore-family-poor.html
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Elderberry on May 25, 2022, 02:03:51 pm
Sometime before 11:30 a.m., Ramos shot and wounded his grandmother at their home in Uvalde;[18][19] she was airlifted and hospitalized in critical condition.[20]
After crashing his vehicle into a ditch outside of the school,[2][15] Ramos—who, according to police, was wearing body armor, a backpack, and all black clothing while carrying a handgun, an AR-15 style rifle, and high capacity magazines—entered the school through its south entrance at around 11:30 a.m. CDT.[18][21][22] According to police, Ramos shot a UCISD police officer who attempted to stop him from entering the building.[23] The UCISD police chief estimated that the shooting of students and teachers at the school began two minutes later and, according to a Facebook post by the school, the school was placed on lockdown at 11:43 a.m. in response to gunshots in the vicinity.[24] At 1:17 p.m., UCISD sent out a message on Twitter that there was an active shooter at the elementary school.[21]
As UCISD officers exchanged fire with Ramos, Border Patrol Tactical Unit agents joined them in response to a request for assistance; one sustained a head injury.[23] A source told the Los Angeles Times a Border Patrol agent shot and killed Ramos.[2]
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: txradioguy on May 25, 2022, 02:03:58 pm
He wasn't exactly in the closet because there had to be someone taking those photos.
He could have been taking them himself with his phone/camera on a timer.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 25, 2022, 02:06:05 pm
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Cyber Liberty on May 25, 2022, 02:11:54 pm
Texas school shooter Salvador Ramos was bullied at school because of the clothes he wore and because his family was poor, former classmate says more https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10851937/Texas-school-shooter-bullied-clothes-wore-family-poor.html
And thus it begins: The "He was bullied for being a tranny" defense.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: sneakypete on May 25, 2022, 02:12:11 pm
Texas school shooter Salvador Ramos was bullied at school because of the clothes he wore and because his family was poor, former classmate says
A 'close' friend of Salvador Ramos, 18, said the shooter used to be made fun of for his clothing and because his family was poor He said Ramos began showing up to class less and less from the bullying and 'slowly dropped out' 'He barely came to school,' the friend, who didn't want to be identified, said The friend said the pair kept up with each other occasionally through Xbox messages, but had largely lost contact after Ramos graduated However, Ramos - who had purchased two rifles on his 18th birthday just days before the shooting - sent the friend pictures of his guns and magazines When asked why he had it, Ramos reportedly replied: 'Don't worry about it'
By Laurence Dollimore and Alyssa Guzman For Dailymail.Com
Published: 00:33 EDT, 25 May 2022 | Updated: 05:31 EDT, 25 May 2022
A former classmate, who asked not to be identified, told CNN he and Ramos were somewhat 'close' and used to play Xbox together. The killer was a fan of the shooting and combat game Call of Duty.
On his since removed Instagram account, Ramos is believed to have shared a photo of two AR15-style rifles just three days before the killing at Robb Elementary school, while the bio on his TikTok page chillingly read: 'Kids be scared irl' (in real life).
While the motive for the massacre is not yet known, one neighbor told local news channel Newsy that he witnessed Ramos, who worked at a Wendy's, arguing with his grandmother, claiming he was 'angry that he did not graduate'.
more https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10851937/Texas-school-shooter-bullied-clothes-wore-family-poor.html
Ok,if this guy was poor,where did he get the money to buy girls clothes and a couple of AR-15's? Hell,*I* can't afford to buy a couple of AR-15's without saving from my budget for a few months.
Also,if he "rarely went to school",how the hell did he graduate?
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 25, 2022, 02:14:03 pm
Ok,if this guy was poor,where did he get the money to buy girls clothes and a couple of AR-15's? Hell,*I* can't afford to buy a couple of AR-15's without saving from my budget for a few months.
Yeah he had money for all his armor and weapons...and Fox keeps saying he was unemployed :shrug:
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: txradioguy on May 25, 2022, 02:14:30 pm
Ok,if this guy was poor,where did he get the money to buy girls clothes and a couple of AR-15's? Hell,*I* can't afford to buy a couple of AR-15's without saving from my budget for a few months.
Always a good question (not just the gun(s) but the body armor and ammunition, too).
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: txradioguy on May 25, 2022, 02:28:05 pm
NBC 2 in Houston is now saying the shooter didn't have body armor...just the plate carrier.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 25, 2022, 02:28:13 pm
NBC 2 in Houston is now saying the shooter didn't have body armor...just the plate carrier.
Only good as a load bearing unit without the plates...
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Hoodat on May 25, 2022, 02:32:14 pm
I want to know where he got ammo. 'Cause I can't find any ammo for myself.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on May 25, 2022, 02:32:51 pm
Only good as a load bearing unit without the plates...
And it sure didn't save his ass anyway
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 25, 2022, 02:32:54 pm
Funeral homes offer services at no cost for victims of Uvalde shooting
Two funeral homes in Uvalde, TX, have offered their services at no cost to the families of the victims of a shooting at Robb Elementary School.
By Abigail Adcox | in 42 minutes
Two funeral homes in Uvalde, Texas, have offered their services at no cost to the families of the victims of a shooting at Robb Elementary School.
Hillcrest Memorial Funeral Home, located just two blocks from the elementary school, and Rushing-Estes-Knowles Mortuary have both said they will not charge families for their funeral services.
"We have fought together as a community and we will pull together as one now in our time of need. Hillcrest will be assisting families with NO COST for funerals for all involved in today’s horrific events. Prayer for our small amazing town," Hillcrest Memorial Funeral Home wrote on Facebook.
more https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/funeral-homes-offer-services-at-no-cost-for-victims-of-uvalde-shooting
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: txradioguy on May 25, 2022, 02:40:23 pm
@Gefn The very first recorded school shooting happened in 1840 John Anthony Gardner Davis, a law professor at the University of Virginia, was shot by student Joseph Semmes and died three days later.
That’s interesting. I didn’t know that.
I bet it was a horrible way to go too, with medicine at that time.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 25, 2022, 03:07:57 pm
🇺🇸🇺🇸Josh Dunlap🇺🇲🇺🇲 ULTRA-MAGA @JDunlap1974 · 1m Nancy Pelosi had no problem bussing in 25,000 armed troops to protect her with AR-15s in an empty, locked down city.
At a minimum, our schools can have certified armed teachers to protect our children from deranged maniacs who wish to do them harm.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 25, 2022, 03:09:37 pm
Sebastian Gorka DrG @SebGorka · 17h One prediction I will make:
Salvador Ramos was known to the authorities.
He had made deadly threats in the past.
And he wasn’t stopped by those who should have prevented his rampage.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Hoodat on May 25, 2022, 03:12:19 pm
Lawmaker says Texas school shooter originally from North Dakota
Stacie Van Dyke - Yesterday 10:06 PM
FARGO, N.D. (Valley News Live) - In an interview with CNN, Texas State Senator Roland Gutierrez says the suspected shooter from Tuesday’s mass shooting, 18-year-old Salvador Ramos, was born in North Dakota. He most recently lived and went to high school in Uvalde, where the shooting took place. . .
Is that to prevent a shooting, or to prevent Custodial Interference?
Both. Had a case up north where we were specifically told the child was to have no contact with the mother. We took turns walking the child to and from the bus everyday to make sure that "Mommy Dearest" didn't try to pull anything.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 25, 2022, 03:24:09 pm
My response was to Joy(less) Reid, saying Mexico needs to protect itself from our citizens. I am also betting she conveniently forgot about Obozo and Holder sending guns to Mexico and it resulting directly in the death of one of our Border agents.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: verga on May 25, 2022, 03:28:16 pm
And THERE it is! There is no way in hell this kid suddenly flipped his lid the day before this happened,and decided to go shoot up a school the next day.
Wanna blame someone? Blame his parents AND the shrink/shrink employer for not recognizing he was dangerous,and locking his ass UP.
Granted,it is the nature of parents to overlook or dismiss the signs as "just a stage he is going through",but the mental health authorities have no such excuse. It is their JOB to identify problems and do what they can to resolve them so their patient is no longer a danger to themselves or anyone else.
I do understand that nobody likes the idea of locking someone away for what is essentially a life sentence,especially a minor,but their first obligation is NOT to themselves OR to their patient. It is to protect the innocent from what is determined to be a genuine threat to public safety.
Granted,this is a serious step to be taken,especially given that most of these kids haven't even committed any crimes yet,but the ONLY way to monitor them and any successes or failure they may have in adjusting mentally is WHY they have degrees and jobs.
I don't like the idea of creating another bureaucracy,but each state should have a formal board to review the cases of patients whose shrinks are requesting they be put in a controlled living situation and closely monitored. Like parolees from prison,they should have to appear before a review board WITH their shrink or a representative from the institution that employees the shrink,and state WHY he is now fit to be released from institutionalized care.
There is no way in HELL anyone is going to convince me that this kid got to this stage without his parents,friends,and the kids he went to school and socialized with didn't notice it.
Yeah,the parents,being parents,will usually ignore this sort of thing and hope it gets better,but the neighbors,school mates,and anyone in the general public they come into contact with will damn sure notice "there is something off about that boy......."
Face it,this level of insanity can NOT be hidden by the loon any more than they can just decide to stop breathing. It IS who they are. Their whole sense of self/self-identity is tied into their psychosis.
Yeah,there are some highly intelligent kooks that understand they are nuts and need to hide it,but I suspect they are in the minority. They are the serial killer types,not the type that shoots up playgrounds or schools in mass shootings.
Agree 100%. He was self mutilating. What did they think the next step was going to be?
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: verga on May 25, 2022, 03:31:38 pm
@sneakypete I can attest that at every school I have worked at, that several of us have been more than willing. Almost all are ones with prior service and or children/ grandchildren in the district. Makes a difference when you have a personal stake in it.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: verga on May 25, 2022, 03:32:31 pm
I never carried ANYTHING that didn't explode,shoot,help me navigate ,eat,or patch wounds with. My webgear and rucksack were so heavy I usually had to get help getting up off the ground at the launch site,but had NO problem at all jumping up and running when I started hearing explosions or AK fire. Could leap small trees with a single bound and knock down the bigger ones that happened to be in my way.
Or at least that is the way it seems. I do know I still have scars on both forearms today from tearing through the jungle at top speed.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: sneakypete on May 25, 2022, 03:39:44 pm
I never carried ANYTHING that didn't explode,shoot,help me navigate ,eat,or patch wounds with. My webgear and rucksack were so heavy I usually had to get help getting up off the ground at the launch site,but had NO problem at all jumping up and running when I started hearing explosions or AK fire. Could leap small trees with a single bound and knock down the bigger ones that happened to be in my way.
Or at least that is the way it seems. I do know I still have scars on both forearms today from tearing through the jungle at top speed.
It's amazing the super powers you gain when an AK is being fired at you.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 25, 2022, 03:41:53 pm
Lawmaker says Texas school shooter originally from North Dakota
Stacie Van Dyke - Yesterday 10:06 PM
FARGO, N.D. (Valley News Live) - In an interview with CNN, Texas State Senator Roland Gutierrez says the suspected shooter from Tuesday’s mass shooting, 18-year-old Salvador Ramos, was born in North Dakota. He most recently lived and went to high school in Uvalde, where the shooting took place. . .
It doesn't say where. Odd, that. Usually they give a town. How long did he live here?
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 25, 2022, 03:54:46 pm
Portrait of a killer: Call of Duty-loving shooter, 18, was bullied at school for being poor, creeped out his Wendy's female co-workers, and lived with his grandmother who he shot at START of rampage after row over not graduating
Salvador Ramos shot and killed 19 children and two teachers in Uvalde, Texas on Tuesday Locals said he had troubled home life and his behavior grew bizarre as he entered his teenage years He began dressing in black, wearing military boots and growing his hair long Coworkers of his at Wendy's describe him as having an 'aggressive' streak, claiming he would send inappropriate text messages to female colleagues Before the shooting he also allegedly sent one woman on Instagram a photo of the guns he was going to use writing 'Be grateful I tagged you' The shooting occurred just one day after his classmates visited the school
By Melissa Koenig and Laurence Dollimore For Dailymail.Com
Published: 08:03 EDT, 25 May 2022 | Updated: 11:47 EDT, 25 May 2022
more https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10852875/Portrait-killer-Bullied-Call-Duty-loving-Texas-school-gunman-brawled-repeatedly-school.html
Looks like he did have a job..
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: jmyrlefuller on May 25, 2022, 04:00:29 pm
Texas school shooter Salvador Ramos was bullied at school because of the clothes he wore and because his family was poor, former classmate says
A 'close' friend of Salvador Ramos, 18, said the shooter used to be made fun of for his clothing and because his family was poor He said Ramos began showing up to class less and less from the bullying and 'slowly dropped out' 'He barely came to school,' the friend, who didn't want to be identified, said The friend said the pair kept up with each other occasionally through Xbox messages, but had largely lost contact after Ramos graduated However, Ramos - who had purchased two rifles on his 18th birthday just days before the shooting - sent the friend pictures of his guns and magazines When asked why he had it, Ramos reportedly replied: 'Don't worry about it'
By Laurence Dollimore and Alyssa Guzman For Dailymail.Com
Published: 00:33 EDT, 25 May 2022 | Updated: 05:31 EDT, 25 May 2022
A former classmate, who asked not to be identified, told CNN he and Ramos were somewhat 'close' and used to play Xbox together. The killer was a fan of the shooting and combat game Call of Duty.
On his since removed Instagram account, Ramos is believed to have shared a photo of two AR15-style rifles just three days before the killing at Robb Elementary school, while the bio on his TikTok page chillingly read: 'Kids be scared irl' (in real life).
While the motive for the massacre is not yet known, one neighbor told local news channel Newsy that he witnessed Ramos, who worked at a Wendy's, arguing with his grandmother, claiming he was 'angry that he did not graduate'.
more https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10851937/Texas-school-shooter-bullied-clothes-wore-family-poor.html
So he took it out on a bunch of fourth graders? That sure makes sense. /sarc
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Hoodat on May 25, 2022, 04:04:53 pm
It doesn't say where. Odd, that. Usually they give a town. How long did he live here?
That's why I pinged you. Your job is to get to the bottom of this. You are our North Dakota eyes. YOU are the boots on the ground here. lol
Anyway, there is already another story that says he was born in Texas which conflicts with this one out of Fargo. Just thought you would be interested. Someone may start pushing the 'cross-dressing offspring of Williston well drillers' angle.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: GtHawk on May 25, 2022, 04:17:45 pm
Obama points finger at GOP, gun lobby in wake of Texas shooting https://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/3500580-obama-points-finger-at-gop-gun-lobby-in-wake-of-texas-shooting/
Of course, just like all the slime democrats, don't look at the mental health epidemic in America caused by their policies just blame an inanimate tool. The only thing these cretins care about is disarming Americans so there will be no serious opposition to their final push to remake America into another failed communist state.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: GtHawk on May 25, 2022, 04:23:20 pm
Mental illness is obvious as he shot his own grandma.
Reminds me of another cold blooded killer Charles Whitman in 1966 who killed his wife and mother before he climbed the UT tower for a shooting spree that shot 42 people.
For me that was the first mass shooting at a school that I could recall, God help us that almost all school shooting now involve children, and despite what the democrats promote it's not because of guns it's because we have failed as a society and that lays at the feet of the democrats more than anyone else.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mountaineer on May 25, 2022, 04:24:37 pm
His family is so poor he could afford two AR-15s?
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: GtHawk on May 25, 2022, 04:28:19 pm
That puzzled me. Even in our little burg in gun-toting W.Va., you can't get into the public schools. Doors are locked, you have to buzz the intercom, state your business and be approved for entry before being admitted.
Where I am if I went to my grandson's school to get him the gates are all locked, but anyone could climb over a schoolyard fence, but the office doors are always unlocked so really a determined person could always get into the school where children are before police could arrive.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: GtHawk on May 25, 2022, 04:31:46 pm
Wasn't the largest casualty school killing event done with dynamite? Memory is a bit foggy on this....
Bath school disaster, a massacre committed by a disgruntled school board member. https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2022/05/24/bath-consolidated-school-massacre-uvalde/
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Elderberry on May 25, 2022, 04:38:07 pm
(https://res.cloudinary.com/graham-media-group/image/upload/f_auto/q_auto/c_scale,w_800/v1/media/gmg/647RGTNJ7JFHNIXXW7HELQLZOM.jpg?_a=AJAEtWI0) Video shows the crashed truck of Robb Elementary School shooter Salvador Ramos in Uvalde..
“He went straight through a barricade, it’s a concrete ditch and the truck is in there,” said Trinidad.
Trinidad snapped photos of a bag and rifle he believes Ramos dropped next to the truck before running off. He also briefly shared information about Ramos’ personality.
“He was a loner because my nephew worked with him at Burger King and he was kind of like a loner you know,” said Trinidad.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: GtHawk on May 25, 2022, 04:38:24 pm
Pete I think there are more than you believe, my recollection is that after Sandy Hook(odd no that that was just about ten years ago with 21 victims? Anyway it seems to me that after Sandy Hook there were plenty of teachers across the nation that wanted gun training and being able to carry in school. But the liberals refused and I think because they wanted more massacres to push their agenda. Yes I do think liberals are just that disgusting.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: jmyrlefuller on May 25, 2022, 04:40:16 pm
Where I am if I went to my grandson's school to get him the gates are all locked, but anyone could climb over a schoolyard fence, but the office doors are always unlocked so really a determined person could always get into the school where children are before police could arrive.
That, and most school doors are made of glass that can easily be broken through with a sledge hammer. If you're going to bust into a school to commit mass murder, a breaking and entering charge isn't going to faze you.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: rebewranger on May 25, 2022, 04:42:14 pm
Border Patrol agent killed Uvalde shooter, but special unit has recent history of excessive force
Steven Santana May 25, 2022
Multiple outlets are reporting that a Border Patrol agent part of a special unit rushed in to Robb Elementary School on Tuesday, May 24, to shoot and kill the 18-year-old shooter that killed 19 children and two teachers. That same special unit has recently been accused of using violent tactics and committing human rights violations.
The Border Patrol agent reportedly entered the school without waiting for backup and shot and killed the gunman, Salvador Ramos, AP reported, and he was injured in the process. U.S. Border Patrol Chief Raul Ortiz confirmed that agents in the area responded to the shooting on Twitter.
That agent belongs to a special tactical unit of the U.S. Border Patrol dubbed BORTAC, according to Houston news station KPRC 2. It's the same unit that was deployed to Portland, Oregon during the 2020 George Floyd Protests by then President Donald Trump, over 2,000 miles north of the Mexico border.
That, and most school doors are made of glass that can easily be broken through with a sledge hammer. If you're going to bust into a school to commit mass murder, a breaking and entering charge isn't going to faze you.
(a) most school shooters don't have that level of planning down, and aren't going to forego carrying weapons for carrying a sledgehammer, and (b) if the school has guards watching the front door, they'll intervene after the first sound of breaking glass, stopping the killer before he can kill in the school.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Kamaji on May 25, 2022, 04:43:19 pm
:facepalm2:
So now the narrative is that the shooter shouldn't have been killed?
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: rebewranger on May 25, 2022, 04:51:18 pm
So now the narrative is that the shooter shouldn't have been killed?
Absolutely not since he had only murdered 20 people. This poor "person of color" was gunned down only because of racism. In Mejico murdering 20 people may be no big deal but it is still, so far, here. 0380000
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: rebewranger on May 25, 2022, 04:57:27 pm
And thus it begins: The "He was bullied for being a tranny" defense.
So if he was bullied by some kids at school why didn't he seek out those bullies instead of slaughtering little children? This bullied excuse is all bullshit, he did this because he wanted people to remember him, the only thing he was is mentally ill and pure evil. And every one of us knew the left was going to pull out the it's not his fault he was bullied for being transgendered defense.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: rebewranger on May 25, 2022, 05:02:06 pm
Double Check: Rep. Paul Gosar Falsely Claims Uvalde Shooter Was Trans
Published: May 25, 2022 1:11:59 PM
Double Check: Rep. Paul Gosar Falsely Claims Uvalde Shooter Was Trans In the wake of the horrific school shooting in Uvalde, Texas, a Republican house representative from Arizona, Paul Gosar, amplified the false rumor that the perpetrator was a trans woman and undocumented immigrant.
Quote tweeting a pro-Biden account, Gosar baselessly claimed the shooter was a “leftist” and “your kind of trash.”
While Gosar’s original tweet and the tweet he quoted (which was apparently a source of the misinformation) have since been deleted, there are numerous posts still live on Twitter pushing this false information. The account that Gosar retweeted has since issued a correction, but as of publication, Gosar has not.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Fishrrman on May 25, 2022, 05:03:16 pm
I posted the following in this forum about 3 years ago. I'll repeat it: ========================================= Find the cost of freedom Buried in the ground Mother Earth will swallow you Lay your body down
The lyrics are from an old anti-war song by Crosby, Stills & Nash, but let them stand on their own, apart from that.
Almost nothing in this world comes free. Everything carries "a cost". Sometimes it's measured in dollars and cents, but more often "the price" of what something "costs" is paid for by other means.
Our Second Amendment is unique in the world, guaranteeing the right of the individual citizen to keep and bear arms. In that respect, amongst all nations, we are "the freest" insofar as gun ownership is concerned.
But... that freedom comes with its own stark "cost": That cost is: Every now and then, someone will go crazy and start shooting at others randomly, as we saw in El Paso and Dayton over the past few days.
Little can be done to prevent this. Sometimes, they're discovered before they act on their desires, such as indicated by the grandmother in Lubbock, Texas, who just turned her grandson into the police for planning a shooting spree. But instances like this are rare.
All too often, there's little that is or can be done to successfully profile and pre-empt these shooters before they act. They just explode, in some kind of orgasmic personal apocalypse which usually results in their own demise as well. Afterwards, there's nothing left to do but clean up the damage and try to discover their motivations (although the trend recently seems to be to leave behind a "manifesto" that explains their rationale). But even knowledge of motivation will do little to stop future would-be shooters from acting.
Of course, there are going to be more of these events. Many more, to the point where we should expect a few of these shootings each year. This IS NOT going to change or improve.
What's to be done? If one is a leftist/democrat-communist, the answer is simple: Repeal the Second Amendment, and ban and confiscate as many guns as possible. They may get their wish someday (I sense the nation is on an almost irrevocable march towards socialism and eventually our own brand of American communism), but that's not happening any time soon.
But if one is a traditionalist, how to respond?
My conclusion: There shouldn't be one, other than a struggle to maintain the status quo. Whether this approach will be successful or not, hard to predict (see speculation about nation's future above).
Before going further, Fishrrman's credo: "Reality is what it is. It is not what we believe it to be". (a struggle I wrestle with each day)
To apply the credo to the problem-at-hand: There's essentially nothing we can do about these shootings, other than to acknowledge that they are "the cost of the freedom" we enjoy in regards to the Second Amendment. They are "the price we pay" for having our Second Amendment.
I personally accept that "as reality", and just... go on.
When the day comes that we (as traditionalists or conservatives) are no longer willing to accept and bear this price, that becomes the day we LOSE the freedom that the Second Amendment secures for us.
FIshrrman speaking today, again: You probably don't like what you read above. But I'm going to ask, for anyone who will dare answer: If this be "the cost of freedom and the Second Amendment", do you accept "the price"?
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: rebewranger on May 25, 2022, 05:03:45 pm
As the saying goes, some people should keep their mouths shut and be considered ignorant rather than open it and remove all doubt. :nono:
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: GtHawk on May 25, 2022, 05:03:56 pm
There are some that are supposed to stop a 9mm. Never wanted to test that theory though. I always wore my plates.
Yeah they will stop a 9mm from going through but what about all the energy transfer from the impact? I don't think I would want that transferred to say my sternum or ribs let alone soft tissue.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Kamaji on May 25, 2022, 05:06:10 pm
Ok. So he's just a mental defective. Nonetheless, he and his predilections were known to his family, his friends, and other locals.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: GtHawk on May 25, 2022, 05:06:23 pm
Lawmaker says Texas school shooter originally from North Dakota
Stacie Van Dyke - Yesterday 10:06 PM
FARGO, N.D. (Valley News Live) - In an interview with CNN, Texas State Senator Roland Gutierrez says the suspected shooter from Tuesday’s mass shooting, 18-year-old Salvador Ramos, was born in North Dakota. He most recently lived and went to high school in Uvalde, where the shooting took place. . .
I wonder if poor little guy had to leave North Dakota and go live with grandma because he got into trouble?
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Cyber Liberty on May 25, 2022, 05:08:30 pm
So if he was bullied by some kids at school why didn't he seek out those bullies instead of slaughtering little children? This bullied excuse is all bullshit, he did this because he wanted people to remember him, the only thing he was is mentally ill and pure evil. And every one of us knew the left was going to pull out the it's not his fault he was bullied for being transgendered defense.
I don't disagree with that the least little bit.
:thumbsup:
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 25, 2022, 05:12:24 pm
Texas school shooting: New details emerge about police response, Salvador Ramos' 'evil' nature
May 25, 2022 9:48am EDT Texas school shooting: New details emerge about police response, Salvador Ramos' 'evil' nature Salvador Ramos repeatedly fired at police responding to Uvalde shooting, officer says
By Greg Norman | Fox News
Multiple police officers who responded to the Robb Elementary School shooting in Uvalde, Texas, were struck with gunfire by a suspect who "just began shooting anyone that was in his way," a law enforcement officer revealed Wednesday.
Texas Department of Public Safety Lt. Chris Olivarez, speaking on NBC’s "Today" show, said the events that led to the deaths of 19 students and two teachers began when Salvador Ramos shot his grandmother and then crashed a vehicle while fleeing that scene. Local police then got calls about an individual armed with a weapon making his way into the school, according to Olivarez.
He said when law enforcement "tried to make entry into the building, they were met with gunfire by the suspect, by the shooter.
"Some of those officers were shot," Olivarez continued. "So at that point they began breaking windows around the school trying to evacuate children, teachers, anybody they could, trying to get them out of that building."
Olivarez said Ramos then was "able to make entry into a classroom, barricaded himself inside that classroom and again just began shooting numerous children and teachers that were in that classroom, having no regard for human life, just a complete, evil person by not having any regard for children.
"Anyone inside that classroom, [he] just began shooting anyone that was in his way," he added.
"At that point we had a tactical law enforcement team arrive made up of multiple federal officers, local officers as well as state troopers that were able to make forceable entry into that classroom," Olivarez also said. "They were met with gunfire as well, but they were able to shoot and kill that suspect."
more https://www.foxnews.com/us/texas-school-shooting-police-response-salvador-ramos
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 25, 2022, 05:12:33 pm
Bill Melugin @BillFOXLA · 48m NEW: Texas DPS tells me there was in fact a school police officer on campus at Robb Elementary who exchanged gunfire with the shooter and the officer was shot & injured. That is when the shooter ran inside the school, barricaded himself in a class, & began killing. @FoxNews
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: rebewranger on May 25, 2022, 05:14:39 pm
(THIS IS WHAT THE POOR PERSON OF COLOR WAS KILLED OVER?) Shame on the US. :sarc:
Pictured: First child victims of Texas school shooting after 21 killed
James Hockaday Wednesday 25 May 2022 7:55 am
Child victims of the Texas school shooting in Uvalde. Nineteen children and two teachers were shot dead by teen gunman Salvador Ramos (Picture: AP) These are the first child victims to be identified after a teen gunman rampaged through an elementary school yesterday in Uvalde, Texas.
Fourth grade student Xavier Lopez, 10, was killed as 18-year-old Salvador Ramos opened fire with an AR-15 assault rifle while clad in body armour.
The boy’s mother had attended his awards ceremony just hours earlier, completely unaware it would be the last time she saw her child.
A GoFundMe page to raise money for his funeral has already raised nearly $43,000 in the space of four hours.
And every time we have one of these and all the media hype it breeds more unhappy and sick individuals that see a way to get all the attention they believe they deserve. Will the next again be a group of disgruntled that put real planning into their massacre and again add bombs to the mix? And again like clockwork the communists will blame the made up culture of guns in America instead of the very real culture of mental illness promoted by the left.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: txradioguy on May 25, 2022, 05:16:57 pm
Yeah they will stop a 9mm from going through but what about all the energy transfer from the impact? I don't think I would want that transferred to say my sternum or ribs let alone soft tissue.
Yeah it's still gonna hurt at a level that makes you think the bullet penetrated your body that's for sure.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Kamaji on May 25, 2022, 05:37:58 pm
Bill Melugin @BillFOXLA · 48m NEW: Texas DPS tells me there was in fact a school police officer on campus at Robb Elementary who exchanged gunfire with the shooter and the officer was shot & injured. That is when the shooter ran inside the school, barricaded himself in a class, & began killing. @FoxNews
Ok, but why was he able to gain entrance to the building at all in the first place?
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 25, 2022, 05:51:18 pm
Beto O'Rourke just interrupted the presser and was escorted out....I'll have more when I find it
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 25, 2022, 05:52:30 pm
Bill Melugin @BillFOXLA · 1m That was…wow.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 25, 2022, 05:55:30 pm
Carmine Sabia @CarmineSabia · 2m Beto O'Rourke just lost the election for Texas governor today.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 25, 2022, 05:55:51 pm
Curtis Houck @CurtisHouck · 1m Beto is a sick individual.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 25, 2022, 05:56:25 pm
Carmine Sabia @CarmineSabia · 7m Beto O'Rourke just proved that he is one of the biggest pieces of shit in the nation. He just stepped on the bodies of 19 dead babies to interrupt Gov. Abbott's press conference to make a political statement. bleep you Beto. He made this about his campaign from the first second.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: rustynail on May 25, 2022, 06:04:44 pm
The Beto video is real good. Boy set himself on fire.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 25, 2022, 06:04:55 pm
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 25, 2022, 06:09:46 pm
TheLeoTerrell @TheLeoTerrell · 1m Beto O’Rourke Political career is over. Thank goodness
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Gefn on May 25, 2022, 06:12:23 pm
Texas gunman warned online he was going to shoot up school
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UVALDE, Texas (AP) — The gunman who massacred 19 children and two teachers at an elementary school in Texas had warned on social media minutes before the attack that he had shot his grandmother and going to shoot up a school, the governor said Wednesday.
Salvador Ramos, 18, used an AR-15-style semi-automatic rifle in the bloodbath Tuesday at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde. He had legally bought two such rifles just days before the attack, soon after his 18th birthday, authorities said.
About 30 minutes before the bloodbath, Ramos made three social media posts, Gov. Gregg Abbot said. According to the governor, Ramos posted that he was going to shoot his grandmother, then that he had shot the woman, and finally that he was going to shoot up an elementary school.
Abbott said Ramos, a resident of the community about 85 miles (135 kilometers) west of San Antonio, had no known criminal or mental health history
I'm not sure what Abbott means about no "known" mental history, but he certainly seems to have had serious mental issues that were known to his family, friends, and others in the community, including self-wounding on his face.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 25, 2022, 06:17:01 pm
I'm not sure what Abbott means about no "known" mental history, but he certainly seems to have had serious mental issues that were known to his family, friends, and others in the community, including self-wounding on his face.
The left,including the leftist press will NEVER admit that a tranny had or has mental/emotional problems.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Wingnut on May 25, 2022, 06:21:58 pm
Paddy O'Rourke makes a dick of himself. Video at site.
“Sit Down!… You’re a Sick Son-of-a-Bitch” – Gun-Grabber Beto O’Rourke Interrupts TX Presser Following Mass Shooting – Audience Erupts (VIDEO) By Jim Hoft Published May 25, 2022 at 1:00pm Comment Governor Greg Abbott held a press conference on Wednesday morning following the horrific mass shooting in Uvalde, Texas on Tuesday.
A deranged 18-year-old male murdered 19 children and two teachers at an elementary school on Tuesday afternoon.
Governor Abbott was discussing the situation and giving updates when gun-grabber Democrat Beto O’Rourke interrupted the presser.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Hoodat on May 25, 2022, 06:22:28 pm
Whoever it was that called Beto "a sick son of a bitch" deserves a medal.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Free Vulcan on May 25, 2022, 06:23:39 pm
That should pretty much end his campaign.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Wingnut on May 25, 2022, 06:24:59 pm
Not sure but some have said the guy yelling at Paddy, calling him a sick SOB is the Mayor of Uvalde. If so. Bless his heart for calling O'Rourke what he is.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Cyber Liberty on May 25, 2022, 06:29:53 pm
Ok, but why was he able to gain entrance to the building at all in the first place?
Sounds like it was through the main lobby, which is usually unlocked. The question remains: Were there no hard-locked doors leading from there?
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mountaineer on May 25, 2022, 06:31:59 pm
The Post Millennial @TPostMillennial · 41s Gov. Greg Abbott: "We need to realize that people who think that, well maybe if we could just implement tougher gun laws, it's going to solve it. Chicago, and LA, and New York disprove that thesis."
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: DefiantMassRINO on May 25, 2022, 06:34:26 pm
That was disrespectful to the community. There is a time and place for that - they are called debates.
Beto was lucky it wasn't John Kerry he was interrupting ...
Sounds like it was through the main lobby, which is usually unlocked. The question remains: Were there no hard-locked doors leading from there?
Apparently, he gained access to only one classroom where he shot everyone. Even if almost every door was locked, he found the one that was not. Also, elementary schools aren't built the same way as high schools. No one expects an 8-year-old to bring guns and explosives to school and start killing everyone in sight.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Wingnut on May 25, 2022, 06:37:20 pm
From Townhall:
The Democrat candidate for governor was condemned by Uvalde Mayor Don McLaughlin: “Sir, you’re out of line,” McLaughlin said repeatedly. “Please leave this auditorium. I can’t believe you’re a sick son of a bitch who would come to a deal like this to make a political issue,”
Nacho is a perpetual loser. Loser in life and in politics.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Hoodat on May 25, 2022, 06:41:34 pm
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: massadvj on May 25, 2022, 06:43:38 pm
Given the failure of our various institutions (including schools and families) to make young adults out of these kids, maybe it is time to bring the age of maturity to 21 instead of 18. That includes the military draft, drinking, smoking, voting, all of it. I would support it, and I think many others would as well. I am not comfortable with the fact that an 18-year old can walk into gun store and walk out with a lethal weapon and hundreds of rounds of ammo.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: txradioguy on May 25, 2022, 06:46:37 pm
I am not comfortable with the fact that an 18-year old can walk into gun store and walk out with a lethal weapon and hundreds of rounds of ammo.
I am not comfortable with the fact that government holds children captive in indoctrination centers from kindergarten through grade 12, yet never teaches them the core moral foundation of treating others as you wish to be treated.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mountaineer on May 25, 2022, 06:50:48 pm
Granddad of Texas shooter Salvador Ramos insists he had no idea teen had guns By Lee Brown May 25, 2022 2:11pm
Teen Texas school shooter Salvador Ramos lived with his grandparents, who had no idea he had weapons in the house, his grandfather insisted Wednesday.
“I don’t like weapons. I cannot be around weapons,” Rolando Reyes, 72 — whose wife was shot during Tuesday’s deadly rampage — told ABC News.
“I didn’t know he had weapons … If I would have known, I would have reported him,” insisted the grandfather of the 18-year-old who was shot dead in Robb Elementary School after he’d slaughtered 19 children and two educators.
Reyes told the station that he is forbidden from being around guns after a felony conviction, which the outlet did not elaborate on. “I cannot be around guns,” he confirmed. ... NY Post (https://nypost.com/2022/05/25/granddad-of-texas-shooter-salvador-ramos-insists-he-had-no-idea-teen-had-guns/)
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 25, 2022, 06:51:39 pm
Apparently, he gained access to only one classroom where he shot everyone. Even if almost every door was locked, he found the one that was not. Also, elementary schools aren't built the same way as high schools. No one expects an 8-year-old to bring guns and explosives to school and start killing everyone in sight.
He actually had access to two classrooms since they were connected..it doesn't look like the teachers had time to react and lock the doors, if that would even helped at the time..
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 25, 2022, 06:52:07 pm
I'm not sure what Abbott means about no "known" mental history, but he certainly seems to have had serious mental issues that were known to his family, friends, and others in the community, including self-wounding on his face.
This shooter would make a good case study showing our society at large --- parents, familiy, church, school, LE, medical community , etc. failed --- not gun laws.
Will congess have the brass to hold hearings on this?
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Kamaji on May 25, 2022, 06:52:19 pm
Given the failure of our various institutions (including schools and families) to make young adults out of these kids, maybe it is time to bring the age of maturity to 21 instead of 18. That includes the military draft, drinking, smoking, voting, all of it. I would support it, and I think many others would as well. I am not comfortable with the fact that an 18-year old can walk into gun store and walk out with a lethal weapon and hundreds of rounds of ammo.
That is a thought. However, since one typically graduates from high school at 18, and is not obligated to go to college, that might make it difficult for some people to get work right out of high school.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: catfish1957 on May 25, 2022, 06:53:22 pm
Given the failure of our various institutions (including schools and families) to make young adults out of these kids, maybe it is time to bring the age of maturity to 21 instead of 18. That includes the military draft, drinking, smoking, voting, all of it. I would support it, and I think many others would as well. I am not comfortable with the fact that an 18-year old can walk into gun store and walk out with a lethal weapon and hundreds of rounds of ammo.
You make sound points, but you give the anti-Gun whackos an inch, they'll take a mile. They won't stop there. Guranteed.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: txradioguy on May 25, 2022, 06:54:48 pm
Whoever it was that called Beto "a sick son of a bitch" deserves a medal.
The Uvalde Mayor called him that.
That's video for campaign ads against Robert Francis. I can see it now..."On the day after innocent lives were lost in Uvalde, Texas, Gov Gregg Abbott met with the officers who stopped the attack and consoled the grieving families. What did O'Rourke do? (cue video)
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 25, 2022, 06:55:30 pm
That is a thought. However, since one typically graduates from high school at 18, and is not obligated to go to college, that might make it difficult for some people to get work right out of high school.
...and the fact that he dropped out of school during the covid lockdowns...
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: 240B on May 25, 2022, 07:02:27 pm
Everybody say Good Bye to the has been who never was. The fake Irish Mexican skateboarder rich boy just killed his career which never even started. O'Rourke is famous for being famous. He has never actually 'accomplished' anything. And now, he has just rung his own death knell.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mountaineer on May 25, 2022, 07:03:53 pm
Philip Melanchthon Wegmann @PhilipWegmann
Interesting note from @charlescwcooke, who writes that before telling Abbott that the Uvalde shooting is his fault Beto had abandoned his "hell yes, we’re going to take your AR-15" promise from the presidential campaign. (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FToBj5SWUAAVxP5?format=jpg&name=small) 2:56 PM · May 25, 2022
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 25, 2022, 07:04:17 pm
Given the failure of our various institutions (including schools and families) to make young adults out of these kids, maybe it is time to bring the age of maturity to 21 instead of 18. That includes the military draft, drinking, smoking, voting, all of it. I would support it, and I think many others would as well. I am not comfortable with the fact that an 18-year old can walk into gun store and walk out with a lethal weapon and hundreds of rounds of ammo.
I'm even more uncomfortable with the fact that an 18 year old would want to walk into a gun store for a lethal weapon and hundreds of rounds of ammo. Unless we identiy and change what's turning our kids into monsters, pushing the legal age to purchase the weapons of mass murder to 21 only delays the inevitable.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mountaineer on May 25, 2022, 07:09:38 pm
Damani Felder @TheDamaniFelder · 10m Friendly reminder that @BetoORourke once wrote a short story about how good it would feel to murder kids by running them over with his car. F**k off, Beto.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on May 25, 2022, 07:13:30 pm
"Anyone inside that classroom, [he] just began shooting anyone that was in his way," he added.
That's odd language.
Why would small children be "in his way"?
Much more likely he shot anyone he could find, like in a video game.
I believe these video games are the most destructive things to kids as they dehumanize targets and Ramos was just playing the game he was used to using human beings.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 25, 2022, 07:20:03 pm
Carmine Sabia @CarmineSabia · 43m Politics is my business. I have seen cheap political stunts before. But the political suicide Beto O'Rourke committed today is the worst I have ever seen. And if he thinks that is going to help him in Texas he is insane.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on May 25, 2022, 07:23:02 pm
Given the failure of our various institutions (including schools and families) to make young adults out of these kids, maybe it is time to bring the age of maturity to 21 instead of 18. That includes the military draft, drinking, smoking, voting, all of it. I would support it, and I think many others would as well.
The Dems want to lower it to as young as 15 to vote. That is all one needs to know about them.
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I am not comfortable with the fact that an 18-year old can walk into gun store and walk out with a lethal weapon and hundreds of rounds of ammo.
Always 18 has been the traditional time of gaining manhood. This cross dresser is not one of those.
Instead of condemning all our young people on being immature, perhaps we need to instead teach them maturity, not CRT or the other crap our schools spit out at them.
Oh, and BTW, the pickup he was driving could have mowed down more people than he shot. You feel uncomfortable with an 18 year old driving?
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: verga on May 25, 2022, 07:40:27 pm
Rosie Memos @almostjingo · 38s Beto then ran outside speaking Spanglish surrounded by press, it’s all about him.
Narcissist attention whore.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 25, 2022, 07:42:02 pm
Dr. Benjjamin Braddock @GraduatedBen
Since the 1980s, American public schools and workplaces have been seedbeds from which killers have sprouted. I do not excuse evil. I support public execution. But when was the last time a private school student or homeschooler carried out a mass shooting?
1:35 PM · May 25, 2022·Twitter for iPhone
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Free Vulcan on May 25, 2022, 07:43:24 pm
Now that we know the shooter is a cross-dresser, I suspect this story will die a quick death.
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Post by: Hoodat on May 25, 2022, 07:47:45 pm
Oh, and BTW, the pickup he was driving could have mowed down more people than he shot. You feel uncomfortable with an 18 year old driving?
Speaking of, I haven't heard a single update on the Waukesha Christmas Parade massacre.
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Post by: GtHawk on May 25, 2022, 07:51:09 pm
The Border Patrol agent reportedly entered the school without waiting for backup and shot and killed the gunman, Salvador Ramos, AP reported, and he was injured in the process. U.S. Border Patrol Chief Raul Ortiz confirmed that agents in the area responded to the shooting on Twitter.
The bastard! How dare he, how dare he put his life on the line to save others, apparently more important to this POS journalist keep the freak from having a chance to kill more children. Liberals, can't kill em and........well, can't kill em.
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Post by: rustynail on May 25, 2022, 07:56:25 pm
Steven Santana needs an adjustment.
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Post by: Free Vulcan on May 25, 2022, 07:59:18 pm
Wow is this article tinny eared.
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Post by: verga on May 25, 2022, 07:59:25 pm
I am not comfortable with the fact that government holds children captive in indoctrination centers from kindergarten through grade 12, yet never teaches them the core moral foundation of treating others as you wish to be treated.
@Hooda Why is it the sole responsibility of the schools. Schools (on average) have students for 6 hours a day for 180 days, tha is 1080 hours out of 8760 hour per year. that is about 12%. Schools should be reinforcing good moral values, but the primary responsibilities is on the parents and churches. If the parents are not doing this or outright refusing to support those of us that are trying to teach good morals, my hands are tied. For the last two years I have ben dealing with 4 students whose fathers are a bunch or good ole boy rednecks with money. They run industrial farms and are what we call "Ag royalty" The sons are entitled little shits that don't need to listen to the two female teacher's I work with.
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Post by: verga on May 25, 2022, 08:06:44 pm
Since the 1980s, American public schools and workplaces have been seedbeds from which killers have sprouted. I do not excuse evil. I support public execution. But when was the last time a private school student or homeschooler carried out a mass shooting?
1:35 PM · May 25, 2022·Twitter for iPhone
Adam Lanza at Sandy hook. https://www.hsinvisiblechildren.org/when-homeschoolers-turn-violent/ intgeresting read on the violence expressed by homeschool students. Sems it is more common than some suggest.
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Post by: Gefn on May 25, 2022, 08:07:55 pm
Texas gunman left home after fight with mom about Wi-Fi, mother's boyfriend says
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He was kind of a weird one. I never got along with him. I never socialized with him. He doesn’t talk to nobody,” Juan Alvarez said.
May 25, 2022, 12:20 PM EDT / Updated May 25, 2022, 2:02 PM EDT UVALDE, Texas — The man who opened fire in a Texas elementary school on Tuesday, massacring 19 children and two adults, was a loner who kept to himself and avoided any kind of conversation, according to the boyfriend of the gunman’s mother.
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 25, 2022, 08:08:14 pm
JMooski @SternFBSuperfan
130,000 public and private schools in the US. If you put 2 officers in each one (need 2 due to sick, vacation, training days) at $100,000 per officer (salary + benefits) it would cost $26 billion to protect (reasonably) every school in America.
Instead of condemning all our young people on being immature, perhaps we need to instead teach them maturity, not CRT or the other crap our schools spit out at them.
This is my point. Our institutions are clearly failing at this. These institutions are not run by people who are in any way serious. They promote woke ideology and dumbing down of the curriculum.
My proposal would not mean an 18 year old could not possess a gun. It would mean he would not be able to possess one without a parent or guardian approving it.
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Oh, and BTW, the pickup he was driving could have mowed down more people than he shot. You feel uncomfortable with an 18 year old driving?
People can drive as young as 15 with permission of a parent or guardian. I think I would support parental permission for people to drive until age 21.
It's time we increased the amount of parental responsibility, and stop putting the onus on "the system" to raise our kids. If kids are not legally entitled to rights until age 21 that will force parents to be more responsible for monitoring them because the parents and guardians themselves would be liable for the kids' actions until the age of maturity.
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Post by: Hoodat on May 25, 2022, 08:25:53 pm
@Hooda Why is it the sole responsibility of the schools. Schools (on average) have students for 6 hours a day for 180 days, tha is 1080 hours out of 8760 hour per year. that is about 12%.
Schools seem to have no lack of hours when it comes to teaching wokeness, climate change, and other left-wing indoctrination. Instead of showing high school students Algore's movie in all six classes each year for three years straight, they could devote one of those class times to teaching the Sermon on the Mount.
Don't take this personally. I realize your own situation may be different. But on a grand scale, our children are being dumbed down and poisoned by a government-run educational monopoly with a long-range agenda. The chickens have come home to roost.
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Post by: txradioguy on May 25, 2022, 08:28:14 pm
President Silver Alert is at the podium lying his ass off again.
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Post by: txradioguy on May 25, 2022, 08:31:03 pm
Biden just said that the BLM/ANTIFA riots in 2020 were a good thing. A unifying event.
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Post by: DB on May 25, 2022, 08:35:26 pm
Many of today's schools try to remove the boy from boys. When they behave like boys they chastise them and/or put them on drugs so they behave more like girls.
The left poisons society.
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Post by: Cyber Liberty on May 25, 2022, 08:53:45 pm
I'm even more uncomfortable with the fact that an 18 year old would want to walk into a gun store for a lethal weapon and hundreds of rounds of ammo. Unless we identiy and change what's turning our kids into monsters, pushing the legal age to purchase the weapons of mass murder to 21 only delays the inevitable.
That is a true statement and said much better than I could have.
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Post by: sneakypete on May 25, 2022, 09:01:46 pm
The Democrat candidate for governor was condemned by Uvalde Mayor Don McLaughlin: “Sir, you’re out of line,” McLaughlin said repeatedly. “Please leave this auditorium. I can’t believe you’re a sick son of a bitch who would come to a deal like this to make a political issue,”
Nacho is a perpetual loser. Loser in life and in politics.
Given the failure of our various institutions (including schools and families) to make young adults out of these kids, maybe it is time to bring the age of maturity to 21 instead of 18. That includes the military draft, drinking, smoking, voting, all of it. I would support it, and I think many others would as well. I am not comfortable with the fact that an 18-year old can walk into gun store and walk out with a lethal weapon and hundreds of rounds of ammo.
I am not comfortable with the fact that government holds children captive in indoctrination centers from kindergarten through grade 12, yet never teaches them the core moral foundation of treating others as you wish to be treated.
Carmine Sabia @CarmineSabia · 43m Politics is my business. I have seen cheap political stunts before. But the political suicide Beto O'Rourke committed today is the worst I have ever seen. And if he thinks that is going to help him in Texas he is insane.
Myself, I am going to send Beto a thank you card.
When these killings of little children happen, I am always devastated. When devastated, I get mad and it helps me get thru it and do something constructive.
So, thanks, Beto you idiot, for making me furious. I'm going to our local school board and seeing what I might be able to do to help.
I am also going to contact my local Repub Committee (the Tea Party is demised here) and find out how to oppose this goofball. I honestly don't think he has a chance, but I want to be part of the "no chance".
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Post by: massadvj on May 25, 2022, 09:10:35 pm
Why? I got my first gun,a double barrel 12 gauge when I was 8 years old. I kept it and the shells in my bedroom.
I had a 22 rifle when I was a kid, but my parents had to buy it for me. That is the point. I have no problem with an 18 year old having guns, but until age 21 it must be with parental supervision, along with everything else.
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Post by: sneakypete on May 25, 2022, 09:17:06 pm
I had a 22 rifle when I was a kid, but my parents had to buy it for me. That is the point. I have no problem with an 18 year old having guns, but until age 21 it must be with parental supervision, along with everything else.
Can't argue with that. Up to the point you turn 18,it is your parents who are responsible for your conduct and for teaching you manners.
I don't know about you,but MY mother was the boss of me,and while she had very few "rules",I knew for an absolute fact she would tear my young ass up if I violated any of them because I had known of them ever since I learned to talk.
She wasn't very big on negotiating,either.
BUT......,I knew that as long as I obeyed her rules,I was "golden",and you can bet your ass that was a MUCH more agreeable prospect than the alternative.
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Post by: 240B on May 25, 2022, 09:29:38 pm
Nope. Congress sent $40 billion to themselves, their family members, and their friends.
It is more than obvious that Congress doesn't give a single shit about making America a safer, better place to live. Especially since they are all planning to retire with 100s of millions of dollars in their double gated fortresses with publicly funded armed guards.
Will this horrific tragedy get the attention of Congress? Nah, not at all. Next month they will ostensibly "send Ukraine" (snicker .. snicker .. wink wink) another $50 billion.
Congress has no shame. They have no soul. They are nothing but greedy parasites who do not care at all about "American" children unless there is some way for them to profit by 'caring'. Once the cameras fade, Congress will not even remember that this ever happened.
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Post by: massadvj on May 25, 2022, 09:37:07 pm
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Congress has no shame. They have no soul. They are nothing but greedy parasites who do not care at all about "American" children unless there is some way for them to profit by 'caring'. Once the cameras fade, Congress will not even remember that this ever happened.[/size]
This is why they are all pushing for a nice stalemate in Ukraine, knowing that Russian defeat is not thinkable given the country's nuclear arsenal. Nothing like a new cold war to keep the pork pouring in as the American people pay through the nose with inflation, which they will blame on the greedy capitalists.
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Post by: mountaineer on May 25, 2022, 09:41:25 pm
Mom of Texas school shooter Salvador Ramos claims he ‘wasn’t a violent person’ By Jorge Fitz-Gibbon May 25, 2022 5:17pm Updated
The mother of the deranged 18-year-old maniac who gunned down 19 children and two teachers at a Texas elementary school said she was “surprised” by his deadly outburst, claiming “my son wasn’t a violent person.”
Adriana Reyes said her son, shooter Salvador Ramos, “kept to himself and didn’t have many friends,” but denied the two had a volatile relationship, the Daily Mail reported.
“My son wasn’t a violent person,” Reyes told the outlet Wednesday. “I’m surprised by what he did.
“I pray for those families,” she said. “I’m praying for all of those innocent children, yes I am. They had no part in this.”
According to reports, Reyes struggled with drug use and had kicked her troubled son out of her home — forcing him to move in with his grandmother, who he shot before his unthinkable rampage. ... NY Post (https://nypost.com/2022/05/25/mom-of-texas-school-shooter-claims-he-wasnt-a-violent-person/[/url)
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Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on May 25, 2022, 09:59:28 pm
[According to reports, Reyes struggled with drug use and had kicked her troubled son out of her home — forcing him to move in with his grandmother, who he shot before his unthinkable rampage. ... NY Post (https://nypost.com/2022/05/25/mom-of-texas-school-shooter-claims-he-wasnt-a-violent-person/[/url)
So the mother knowlingly removed her troubled son to attack the grandmother.
Some mother.
She could easily win a seat on the Loudoin County school board in the way it handles troubled youth.
Speaking of that, are we now seeing a trend of cross-dressing males acting violently?
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Post by: mountaineer on May 25, 2022, 10:01:28 pm
The Dems want to lower it to as young as 15 to vote. That is all one needs to know about them. Always 18 has been the traditional time of gaining manhood. This cross dresser is not one of those.
Instead of condemning all our young people on being immature, perhaps we need to instead teach them maturity, not CRT or the other crap our schools spit out at them.
Oh, and BTW, the pickup he was driving could have mowed down more people than he shot. You feel uncomfortable with an 18 year old driving?
18 year olds, and younger can walk into a hardware store and legally buy everything they need to make pipe and propane bombs, they can grab a large butcher knife from the kitchen. If someone has made the decision that other's lives as well as their own are worthless they will find a way to kill. This guy could have just as easily broken a gas main at the school and wreaked havoc with an explosion. The gun argument is a red herring to distract everyone from the mental health crisis facing the nation while advancing the communists long term goal of disarming Americans.
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Post by: mountaineer on May 25, 2022, 10:14:51 pm
18 year olds, and younger can walk into a hardware store and legally buy everything they need to make pipe and propane bombs, they can grab a large butcher knife from the kitchen. If someone has made the decision that other's lives as well as their own are worthless they will find a way to kill. This guy could have just as easily broken a gas main at the school and wreaked havoc with an explosion. The gun argument is a red herring to distract everyone from the mental health crisis facing the nation while advancing the communists long term goal of disarming Americans.
Upthread, CL mentioned the mass murder carried out in a school in Michigan in 1927. The killer used dynamite. Islamoterrorists have killed thousands of people over the decades with weapons other than guns. In 2014 in China, 31 people were killed and 141 wounded by eight people wielding knives. In 2016 in Japan, one man killed 19 and wounded 26 in a knife attack.
It's not the gun. It's the motive and intent.
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 25, 2022, 10:21:04 pm
Speaking of that, are we now seeing a trend of cross-dressing males acting violently?
When I saw a picture of the shooter, I thought he looked a lot like the actor Ezra Miller, another transgendered, non-binary person who has had many run-ins with law enforcement recently.
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Post by: GtHawk on May 25, 2022, 10:33:49 pm
Upthread, CL mentioned the mass murder carried out in a school in Michigan in 1927. The killer used dynamite. Islamoterrorists have killed thousands of people over the decades with weapons other than guns. In 2014 in China, 31 people were killed and 141 wounded by eight people wielding knives. In 2016 in Japan, one man killed 19 and wounded 26 in a knife attack.
It's not the gun. It's the motive and intent.
Well as far as the 1927 attack, that was committed by a disgruntled school board member not a student but I agree with your point which is why I said that kids can and have made bombs from chemicals without needing dynamite, the information has always been out there. Evil will always find a way, but if we are vigilante and proactive we can minimize the risk without stripping more of our rights and freedoms. We must not give in to fear and give the socialists what they most want.
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Post by: DB on May 25, 2022, 10:35:16 pm
18 year olds, and younger can walk into a hardware store and legally buy everything they need to make pipe and propane bombs, they can grab a large butcher knife from the kitchen. If someone has made the decision that other's lives as well as their own are worthless they will find a way to kill. This guy could have just as easily broken a gas main at the school and wreaked havoc with an explosion. The gun argument is a red herring to distract everyone from the mental health crisis facing the nation while advancing the communists long term goal of disarming Americans.
A car can kill a lot of people if used with intent.
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Post by: sneakypete on May 25, 2022, 10:37:23 pm
Nope. Congress sent $40 billion to themselves, their family members, and their friends.
It is more than obvious that Congress doesn't give a single shit about making America a safer, better place to live. Especially since they are all planning to retire with 100s of millions of dollars in their double gated fortresses with publicly funded armed guards.
Will this horrific tragedy get the attention of Congress? Nah, not at all. Next month they will ostensibly "send Ukraine" (snicker .. snicker .. wink wink) another $50 billion.
Congress has no shame. They have no soul. They are nothing but greedy parasites who do not care at all about "American" children unless there is some way for them to profit by 'caring'. Once the cameras fade, Congress will not even remember that this ever happened.
This is why they are all pushing for a nice stalemate in Ukraine, knowing that Russian defeat is not thinkable given the country's nuclear arsenal. Nothing like a new cold war to keep the pork pouring in as the American people pay through the nose with inflation, which they will blame on the greedy capitalists.
@massadvj HorseHillary! If ANYTHING,Russia's nuclear arsenal will be the one thing preventing another world war. It is their "security blanket" to keep them from being invaded,although I honestly think that at this point the Politburo loons need to worry more about the Russian citizens rising up in revolt and hanging their wrinkled old asses than any foreign invasion.
ALL that is happening weapons-wise is Russia is exhausting their stock of conventional weapons as well as their stock of gullible Privates,not to mention NCO's and junior officers.
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 25, 2022, 10:45:35 pm
Paddy O'Rourke makes a dick of himself. Video at site.
“Sit Down!… You’re a Sick Son-of-a-Bitch” – Gun-Grabber Beto O’Rourke Interrupts TX Presser Following Mass Shooting – Audience Erupts (VIDEO) By Jim Hoft Published May 25, 2022 at 1:00pm Comment Governor Greg Abbott held a press conference on Wednesday morning following the horrific mass shooting in Uvalde, Texas on Tuesday.
A deranged 18-year-old male murdered 19 children and two teachers at an elementary school on Tuesday afternoon.
Governor Abbott was discussing the situation and giving updates when gun-grabber Democrat Beto O’Rourke interrupted the presser.
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 25, 2022, 10:53:58 pm
The Columbia Bugle @ColumbiaBugle
Our nation has been visibly deteriorating for decades. Drugs and crime flowing across our open borders. Everything becoming sicker. Yet only when it is politically advantageous do Democrats like Sen. Chris Murphy appear on the Senate floor to rhetorically ask “What are we doing?”
9:31 AM · May 25, 2022·Twitter for iPhone
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 25, 2022, 11:57:03 pm
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Post by: mystery-ak on May 25, 2022, 11:59:36 pm
F'K Joe Biden...
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Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on May 26, 2022, 12:17:25 am
And much earlier, Clockwork Orange. All freaks, not surprised they snap into degenerate killers.
Not sure it was earlier, but I have to fess up seeing Beyond the Valley of the Dolls at the movies.
Same weirdo there who hacked off heads.
But that is not the reason I watched the movie, of course. 8888forgot
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Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on May 26, 2022, 12:24:19 am
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Post by: rustynail on May 26, 2022, 12:25:43 am
Obamaisasshole.
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 26, 2022, 12:31:39 am
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 26, 2022, 12:34:17 am
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Post by: mystery-ak on May 26, 2022, 12:34:49 am
I wasn't going to post the photos as I have been crying now since yesterday..my son told me to turn it off but I can't stop watching...
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Post by: Elderberry on May 26, 2022, 01:11:04 am
'I had no idea he had bought two AR-15s': Texas school shooter's grandad reveals he is a felon who can't be near guns and says teen gunman celebrated birthday with grandma at Applebee's a week before shooting her in the head over phone bill
• Salvador Ramos, 18, bought two AR-15 rifles last week after turning 18, including one for $1,870
• One was purchased from Daniel Defense, a gun manufacturer, according to a receipt he put on Yubo
• In between buying the two guns, he bought 375 rounds of 5.56 ammunitions, according to the ATF
• One of the weapons was found in his truck after yesterday's shooting and a backpack with the ammo was found at the school entrance
• Ramos first wounded his grandmother in their home before driving to the elementary school
• Her husband Rolando Reyes, 74, claimed on Wednesday that no one in the family knew about the guns
• He said his grandson was a loner who spent most of his time in his room and who never attended school
• The grandmother was shot in the head but survived and she is now in the hospital
• Ramos went on to kill 19 kids and two teachers before being shot dead by cops at Robb Elementary School
Uvalde school shooter Salvador Ramos's grandfather has revealed the family had no idea that he legally purchased two AR-15s last week, and described him as a quiet teenager who spent most of his time alone in his room.
Ramos, 18, was shot dead by police yesterday after he killed 19 fourth graders and two teachers at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas. The gunman's motive remains unclear. He first shot his grandmother in the head at home, then stole her car and drove it to the school, crashing in a ditch before he walked into the classroom and opened fire.
Ramos turned 18 on May 16 and quickly bought two AR-15s and more than three hundred rounds of gun ammunition. They were purchased at the Oasis Outback store in Uvalde, a 10-minute drive from his grandmother's house.
His grandmother, believed to be 66-year-old Celia Martinez, took him for dinner to Applebee's to celebrate his birthday. On Wednesday morning, her husband Rolando Reyes, 74, told ABC News that neither of them were aware their grandson then bought the guns.
'I didn't know he had weapons. If I'd have known, I would have reported it,' Rolando, who has a past felony conviction and cannot be in a home with firearms, said.
Ramos went to live with his grandparents after arguing with his mother about her cutting out the Wi-Fi in their home.
Ramos's grandmother survived despite being shot in the head. She is in the hospital.
The shooter's grandfather also revealed that he was quiet, but would sometimes go to work with him.
'Sometimes I'd take him to work with me. Not all the time, but sometimes. This past year he didn't go to school. He didn't graduate. You would try to tell him but kids nowadays they think they know everything.
More at link.
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Post by: verga on May 26, 2022, 02:09:51 am
Schools seem to have no lack of hours when it comes to teaching wokeness, climate change, and other left-wing indoctrination. Instead of showing high school students Algore's movie in all six classes each year for three years straight, they could devote one of those class times to teaching the Sermon on the Mount.
Don't take this personally. I realize your own situation may be different. But on a grand scale, our children are being dumbed down and poisoned by a government-run educational monopoly with a long-range agenda. The chickens have come home to roost.
@Hoodat Parents are the first best teachers of children. Like I said we get them 12% of the time. The parents need to start doing their part, and you would be surprised , or maybe you wouldn't who say we have ALL the responsibility. I can see heaping a good portion on the colleges. They get them 24/7. But if the parents did a better job even that would be minimized.
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Post by: verga on May 26, 2022, 02:11:39 am
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Post by: Cyber Liberty on May 26, 2022, 02:28:37 am
Paul is one of Mrs. Liberty's newest Precinct Committeemen. While the shooter was not an illegal, there are photos from his social media wearing dresses. To me, that's not "trans," but whatever. The Rats are working OT in a ridiculous effort to beat him, but it's probably the safest Red seat in AZ's Congressional Delegation.
That's why I decided to retire in his District. Very Red, Mohave County's Republicans outnumber the Rats 3:1. I should know, I have the entire Voter Registration database. I get that quarterly from the County.
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Post by: Hoodat on May 26, 2022, 02:56:03 am
@Hoodat Parents are the first best teachers of children. Like I said we get them 12% of the time. The parents need to start doing their part, and you would be surprised , or maybe you wouldn't who say we have ALL the responsibility. I can see heaping a good portion on the colleges. They get them 24/7. But if the parents did a better job even that would be minimized.
I agree with what you say here. But the current moral decline began in 1962 with Engel v. Vitale. The City of W'boro held out until 1973 before they were sued over it. Today, our entire society is wrongly convinced that G-d is banned from school.
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Post by: Cyber Liberty on May 26, 2022, 03:01:49 am
I agree with what you say here. But the current moral decline began in 1962 with Engel v. Vitale. The City of W'boro held out until 1973 before they were sued over it. Today, our entire society is wrongly convinced that G-d is banned from school.
God cannot be "banned" from anywhere. Just try it sometime. It's a perk of being Omnipotent.
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Post by: roamer_1 on May 26, 2022, 03:59:44 am
Why? It is NOT the goobermints job to teach your children morality or just civilized behavior. That is YOUR job as a parent.
I will very adamantly disagree @sneakypete ... The only reason men gather together to form a society at any level is to provide a good environment and safe place for women (to raise children).
A man worth his salt will seek out his own justice, his own safety, and has no real need for the trappings of society... Except the woman. And the children.
When society has become so corrupt that it works against its very purpose - which ours certainly has - It ceases to be... And what is left naturally degrades to Hell on Wheels... The end of the tracks...
Christians have been told for decades that if we don't like what's on, turn the channel. But that only works toward decadence... Now it does not matter where you turn the channel to. It ALL promotes destruction.
And society at large worships it.
And it is precisely what is our doom.
Seek Mayberry.
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Post by: Cyber Liberty on May 26, 2022, 04:02:43 am
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Post by: roamer_1 on May 26, 2022, 04:20:10 am
It depends what he meant by 'trans'...
'Transvestite' is self-evident. 'Transgender' - While a distinction without much difference in my mind - is yet to be determined.
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Post by: Sighlass on May 26, 2022, 08:06:06 am
Government really should have no part of education whatsoever. Whoever started the lie that it was the government's job has my disdain forever.
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Post by: Sighlass on May 26, 2022, 08:29:32 am
I tried to follow the trail back on those tranny pictures, but I think I hit a stonewall (fake account posted it)... not sure we should be spreading that info yet. The message that he wore funny clothes does not automatically mean he wore dresses...
Anyone able to confirm the photos are legit?
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Post by: Smokin Joe on May 26, 2022, 08:50:20 am
That's why I pinged you. Your job is to get to the bottom of this. You are our North Dakota eyes. YOU are the boots on the ground here. lol
Anyway, there is already another story that says he was born in Texas which conflicts with this one out of Fargo. Just thought you would be interested. Someone may start pushing the 'cross-dressing offspring of Williston well drillers' angle.
:silly:
Fargo is the Liberal end of the state, so maybe it was there (I do not know).
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Post by: Smokin Joe on May 26, 2022, 08:57:58 am
I tried to follow the trail back on those tranny pictures, but I think I hit a stonewall (fake account posted it)... not sure we should be spreading that info yet. The message that he wore funny clothes does not automatically mean he wore dresses...
Anyone able to confirm the photos are legit?
Jesse Waters on Fox News yesterday referenced that the shooter "liked to wear eyeliner" but that is as far as he went down this rabbit hole.
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Post by: mystery-ak on May 26, 2022, 12:44:26 pm
Report: Texas Shooter Barricaded Himself for 40 Minutes as Police Waited
Paul Bois 26 May 2022
The shooter who killed 19 children and two teachers at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, on Tuesday reportedly barricaded himself inside as police waited outside for 40 minutes.
According to people who were present at the scene, terrified parents were yelling at police officers to charge the school for 40 minutes until a Border Patrol team finally took him down.
“Go in there! Go in there!” parents reportedly shouted.
Rep. Tony Gonzales (R-TX) told CNN the standoff occurred after shots had been fired, during which there was a lull in the action. He said:
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And then (the shooting) stops, and he barricades himself in. That’s where there’s kind of a lull in the action.
All of it, I understand, lasted about an hour, but this is where there’s kind of a 30-minute lull. They feel as if they’ve got him barricaded in. The rest of the students in the school are now leaving.
more https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/05/26/report-texas-shooter-barricaded-himself-for-40-minutes-as-police-waited/
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Post by: txradioguy on May 26, 2022, 01:07:59 pm
Texas school district shuts down after cops foil plot to open fire on campus with AK-47 and find list of students to target in suspect's home - a day after gunman killed 19 kids in same state
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Post by: txradioguy on May 26, 2022, 01:17:09 pm
REVEALED: Cops took 40 minutes to get into classroom where shooter was slaughtering 19 kids because they needed a KEY: Video shows officers restraining parents outside and telling them 'we're taking care of it'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/ushome/index.html
Can't blame them one bit. I'd have been ready to go in myself if my kid was in that school and the cops were doing nothing.
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Post by: mystery-ak on May 26, 2022, 01:17:15 pm
Texas Gunman Was In The Room For '30 Minutes' Before Tactical Team Breached. Why Did Cops Not Breach Sooner?
Laurel Duggan Social Issues and Culture Reporter May 26, 2022 1:00 AM ET
The Texas gunman was in the classroom full of children for 30-60 minutes during which law enforcement officers did not engage him, according to various reports. Reports offered different answers about whether fire was exchanged between the gunman and the police officer who engaged him on the way into the school. Onlookers yelled for the law enforcement officers standing in the parking lot during the shooting to enter the building to no avail, and one witness considered storming the school because the police wouldn’t, according to the Associated Press.
The gunman in the Uvalde, Texas, school shooting was reportedly left in the classroom full of children for over “30 minutes,” raising questions about the timeline of the shooting, according to multiple reports.
There are inconsistencies between different accounts of the timelines of the day, including whether shots were fired when an officer attempted to stop the gunman from entering the school, and questions remain about why law enforcement did not engage him sooner, according to various media reports. One witness told the Associated Press that onlookers had urged police officers to charge the school during the shooting, but to no avail.
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Post by: mystery-ak on May 26, 2022, 01:26:37 pm
‘Let’s rush in…cops aren’t doing anything’: Parents incensed as shooter rampaged over an hour, reports say May 26, 2022 | Terresa Monroe-Hamilton
A heart-wrenching video has surfaced on social media of terrified and frustrated parents outside Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas reportedly demanding that police officers storm the building as the killer rampaged for over an hour before his barricade was breached and he was taken out.
The Associated Press reported on Wednesday night that parents begged officers to rush the school while the gunman was inside. The video that went viral online, which appears to be authentic, purportedly shows parents yelling and wailing at the police outside a perimeter around the school. It is unclear if the scenario took place during or after the mass shooting.
The 18-year-old alleged murderer who killed 19 children and two teachers at the school on Tuesday, was killed by a tactical unit from the Border Patrol after a standoff where multiple cops were shot and injured.
An alleged eyewitness named Juan Carranza told the AP that parents were shouting at police, demanding that they enter the school and stop the shooter.
“Go in there! Go in there!” they allegedly yelled.
more https://www.bizpacreview.com/2022/05/26/lets-rush-in-cops-arent-doing-anything-parents-incensed-with-police-outside-as-shooter-rampaged-over-an-hour-1242545/
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 26, 2022, 01:35:15 pm
Mom of Texas school shooter Salvador Ramos claims he ‘wasn’t a violent person’ By Jorge Fitz-Gibbon May 25, 2022 5:17pm Updated
The mother of the deranged 18-year-old maniac who gunned down 19 children and two teachers at a Texas elementary school said she was “surprised” by his deadly outburst, claiming “my son wasn’t a violent person.”
Adriana Reyes said her son, shooter Salvador Ramos, “kept to himself and didn’t have many friends,” but denied the two had a volatile relationship, the Daily Mail reported.
“My son wasn’t a violent person,” Reyes told the outlet Wednesday. “I’m surprised by what he did.
“I pray for those families,” she said. “I’m praying for all of those innocent children, yes I am. They had no part in this.”
According to reports, Reyes struggled with drug use and had kicked her troubled son out of her home — forcing him to move in with his grandmother, who he shot before his unthinkable rampage. ... NY Post (https://nypost.com/2022/05/25/mom-of-texas-school-shooter-claims-he-wasnt-a-violent-person/[/url)
Food for thought:
"Tucker Carlson examines contributing factors for the increases in violence and crime." (Video)
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 26, 2022, 01:40:01 pm
Tulsi Gabbard @TulsiGabbard
Politicians rush to send $40 billion to Ukraine, yet we don’t have enough money to protect our children with simple life saving solutions, like single points of entry to schools, staff training, mental health services, threat hotlines, and more.
5:48 AM · May 26, 2022·Twitter Web App
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 26, 2022, 01:46:41 pm
WATCH: Footage of Panicking Parents Trying To Rescue Their Kids As Cops Criticised for Not Acting Sooner https://trendingpolitics.com/watch-footage-of-panicking-parents-trying-to-rescue-their-kids-as-cops-criticised-for-not-acting-sooner-jolo/
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 26, 2022, 02:05:10 pm
Jack Posobiec @JackPosobiec
Every parent knows that if your child is in imminent danger, you go, no matter what. There is no thinking about it. It is the deepest spiritual and biological instinct.
8:19 AM · May 26, 2022·Twitter Web App
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Kamaji on May 26, 2022, 02:05:37 pm
WATCH: Footage of Panicking Parents Trying To Rescue Their Kids As Cops Criticised for Not Acting Sooner https://trendingpolitics.com/watch-footage-of-panicking-parents-trying-to-rescue-their-kids-as-cops-criticised-for-not-acting-sooner-jolo/
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 26, 2022, 02:07:06 pm
Jack Posobiec @JackPosobiec
I never thought I would see armed Texans standing around while a gunman was killing children in a schoolhouse
Something has gone very, very wrong
8:32 AM · May 26, 2022·Twitter Web App
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 26, 2022, 02:20:50 pm
Chris Hayes @chrislhayes
I am more certain of this than I have ever been. Stop lockdown drills in all schools, immediately. It does nothing to protect kids. All it does is traumatize them, and in the worst case, plant the idea for some of them.
11:03 PM · May 25, 2022·Twitter Web App
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 26, 2022, 02:23:23 pm
'It's time to die': Fourth grader recalls Texas gunman's chilling warning and how he executed a classmate who shouted out when cops said 'Yell if you need help'
A fourth grade boy claims Salvador Ramos stormed his Texas classroom Tuesday and told students 'it's time to die' before opening fire and killing 21 people The boy and four others hid under a cloth-covered table as Ramos fired shots He also recalled watching his teachers, both of whom were killed in the massacre, go 'in front of my classmates to help' Police say Ramos' motive for attacking Robb Elementary in Uvalde is unknown Some law enforcement sources allege he had gotten in a fight with his grandma ahead of the killing spree but it is unclear if the argument provoked the attack
By Natasha Anderson For Dailymail.Com
Published: 22:51 EDT, 25 May 2022 | Updated: 07:28 EDT, 26 May 2022
more https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10855675/Its-time-die-Fourth-grader-recalls-harrowing-moment-Texas-school-shooter-entered-classroom.html
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Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on May 26, 2022, 02:24:56 pm
There is a girl about 20 working at a local Dollar Store that is a Goth,and she wears more makeup than a circus clown. For some reason she got pissed when I asked her if she was a Goth.
Maybe she though it wasn't obvious enough,and will somehow try to be wearing more dark makeup the next time I see her? Although I don't see how that would be possible.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 26, 2022, 02:30:12 pm
'Let’s rush in because the cops aren’t doing anything': Parents frustrated with 'unprepared' police outside Texas massacre school debated storming the building THEMSELVES while gunman was holed up inside for 90 minutes
Footage has emerged showing the panic-stricken parents of the Texas schoolchildren screaming at law enforcement to enter the school It was unclear whether the footage was shot during the shooting, or after the event when the gunman was already dead Questions are being asked as to why it took 90 minutes between the first 911 call and the gunman being shot dead It also emerged on Wednesday night that the authorities had to find a key to get inside the room where the gunman was barricaded with the children Jacinto Cazares's daughter Jacklyn was among the 19 children and two teachers at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde shot dead Tuesday by Salvador Ramos, 18 Cazares wants answers as to why the first 911 call came at 11:32am, and yet Ramos was not shot dead until 1pm One man who lives opposite the school said that a woman was yelling at the police: 'Go in there!' - but they did not The school had armed security, yet Ramos was still able to get in: multiple officers were shot by Ramos, who was wearing body armor without plates The city of Uvalde is 80 miles west of San Antonio and the same distance from the border with Mexico: Border Agents were among those who responded Texas's director of the department of public safety said: 'Obviously, this is situation we failed in the sense that we didn't prevent this mass attack' He added: 'But I can tell you those officers that arrived on the scene and put their lives in danger — they saved other kids. They kept him pinned down'
By Harriet Alexander For Dailymail.com
Published: 20:06 EDT, 25 May 2022 | Updated: 05:56 EDT, 26 May 2022
more https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10855093/Furious-father-Texas-school-shooting-victim-slams-police-failing-stop-gunman-HOUR.html
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: sneakypete on May 26, 2022, 02:35:49 pm
They are not Texans. They are Law Enforcement Officers,and their primary responsibility is making sure THEY go home safe each night,after writing enough tickets to maybe get promoted.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Hoodat on May 26, 2022, 02:52:38 pm
You'll have to show me that 'separation of Leprechauns and State' Supreme Court ruling.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mountaineer on May 26, 2022, 03:18:52 pm
Interesting but lengthy twitter thread on the root cause of school shootings. This poster says what many of us here already have noted.
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The Gormogons @Gormogons Let's cut through the horsesh*t media and Dems are spewing. The "root cause" of school shootings isn't easy availability of guns. It's not mental health. It's not lax gun laws. It's not law enforcement failures. Those are contributory causes. None is the root cause.
The root cause is the Left's destruction of social, cultural, and religious norms and institutions in the name of progress. Without these norms and institutions, most Americans have become untethered. Untethered from God. Untethered from their communities. Untethered from their neighbors. Untethered from marriage and family. ... 7:18 AM · May 26, 2022·
Maybe. Or maybe he was just a confused, crazy, mixed up, mentally-ill kid with no foundation in his life. They are a dime a dozen these days. You can find them on Tik Tok all day long.
That is what bothers me the most about this. It was as much a failing of our institutions as it was this kid, and yet our leaders are so invested in the institutions, they will not admit our institutions are failing, so they blame the gun.
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Post by: Kamaji on May 26, 2022, 03:44:27 pm
Maybe. Or maybe he was just a confused, crazy, mixed up, mentally-ill kid with no foundation in his life. They are a dime a dozen these days. You can find them on Tik Tok all day long.
That is what bothers me the most about this. It was as much a failing of our institutions as it was this kid, and yet our leaders are so invested in the institutions, they will not admit our institutions are failing, so they blame the gun.
:thumbsup:
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: jmyrlefuller on May 26, 2022, 04:53:07 pm
I am more certain of this than I have ever been. Stop lockdown drills in all schools, immediately. It does nothing to protect kids. All it does is traumatize them, and in the worst case, plant the idea for some of them.
11:03 PM · May 25, 2022·Twitter Web App
Broken clock alert: this guy and I actually agree on something.
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Post by: sneakypete on May 26, 2022, 05:05:19 pm
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Post by: DefiantMassRINO on May 26, 2022, 05:07:23 pm
Our civilian political institutions are failing. That's I surmise we are in danger of a military takeover.
What I don't understand is when and how 60 votes became required to pass something in the US Senate?
I remember when 51 votes, or 50 votes with the Vice President tie breaker, was enough to pass legislation and budgets. A filibuster was when a Senator would hold the floor to prevent closure of debate. 60 votes was required to end the filibuster.
After writing that, it occurred to me that the US Senate is in a perpetual filibuster if it requires 60 votes to pass anything.
The filibuster was a ploy to buy time and get addition Senators to vote for or against something.
Now, it's an institutionalized obstruction to debate, votes, and progress. Seems highly undemocratic.
Is the current Senate filibuster an artifact of Pelosi's and Harry Reid's statecraft to ram the Afforadable Care Act down our throats at any cost? If so, their act of legislative expediency broke the instiution.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Hoodat on May 26, 2022, 05:16:51 pm
Wasn't necessary because Leprechauns never promised anyone eternal life in exchange for slavery,so nobody cared.
Slavery?
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Cyber Liberty on May 26, 2022, 05:23:56 pm
Broken clock alert: this guy and I actually agree on something.
I think he was being sarcastic, but I don't know for sure in these days of Poe's Law.
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 26, 2022, 06:09:05 pm
Nope ....
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I'm not defending the actions of the officers. But we've demonized law enforcement to the point that there are far fewer rewards for being a hero, for taking risks. When your culture makes George Floyd the hero, real heroes stand down. Cultural rot has consequences. https://t.co/1YvYt121qt— Jason Whitlock (@WhitlockJason) May 26, 2022
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Post by: sneakypete on May 26, 2022, 06:14:07 pm
Not that it matters because the murderer is dead,but I think HE should be included in the list of victims.
I agree
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Post by: mystery-ak on May 26, 2022, 06:28:10 pm
Kyle Becker @kylenabecker · 14h Remember Sandy Hook? Why didn't Obama actually do something to secure schools from mass shooters since that 2012 atrocity?
My argument: Dems don't actually want to solve *school shootings,* they want to weaponize it to push gun control/confiscation.
Never forget the end game.
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Post by: Smokin Joe on May 26, 2022, 06:29:34 pm
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Post by: Cyber Liberty on May 26, 2022, 06:40:19 pm
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 26, 2022, 06:44:46 pm
Bill Melugin @BillFOXLA · 2m BREAKING: Texas DPS now says that there was no school police officer who encountered or engaged the mass shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, TX. Shooter was not confronted before entry and it appears he walked into the school through an unlocked door, per DPS.
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Post by: mystery-ak on May 26, 2022, 06:46:09 pm
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 26, 2022, 06:47:40 pm
Carmine Sabia @CarmineSabia · 10s You waited for SWAT for a damn hour as you negotiated with a man shooting at babies? I thought we bleep solved this after Columbine. You go the bleep in. You do not wait you damn cowards. 90 minutes? 90 bleep minutes? You cowards all belong in prison.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 26, 2022, 06:50:34 pm
TheLeoTerrell @TheLeoTerrell · 26s Misinformation: THERE WAS NO CAMPUS SECURITY OFFICER WHO CONFRONTED THE SUSPECT BEFORE HIS ENTRY INTO THE SCHOOL!
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 26, 2022, 06:55:16 pm
TheLeoTerrell @TheLeoTerrell · 28s Today's press conference in Texas is disturbing!
Thanks for the updates, @mystery-ak . Travelling again today. What is being said at the presser?
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Post by: mystery-ak on May 26, 2022, 07:03:33 pm
Saagar Enjeti @esaagar · 6m Texas DPS now not only now says that Ramos was NOT confronted once before walking into the school but also confirms that officers "fell back" for "cover" upon initial contact and requested tactical backup for before making any other attempt 1 hour later
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Post by: Kamaji on May 26, 2022, 07:04:33 pm
Saagar Enjeti @esaagar · 6m Texas DPS now not only now says that Ramos was NOT confronted once before walking into the school but also confirms that officers "fell back" for "cover" upon initial contact and requested tactical backup for before making any other attempt 1 hour later
:facepalm2:
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Hoodat on May 26, 2022, 07:06:08 pm
Now a Catholic bishop has proposed a firearms ban.
They don't need a firearms ban. They just need a ban on shooting people.
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Post by: mystery-ak on May 26, 2022, 07:07:27 pm
Saagar Enjeti @esaagar · 51s We have been egregiously lied to by Texas DPS and misled repeatedly by LE. Governor @GregAbbott_TX and @KenPaxtonTX need to act now
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Post by: mountaineer on May 26, 2022, 07:09:52 pm
LOL! Glenn Beck said this morning that his wife would have gotten in and that no law officer would have been able to stop her.
It's a mother's natural instinct.
You better believe it!
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Post by: rebewranger on May 26, 2022, 07:32:34 pm
Why did Uvalde police stand outside and do nothing while Texas shooter rampaged through Robb Elementary School? Thursday, May 26, 2022 by: Ethan Huff
(Natural News) Reports have emerged to suggest that police officers in Uvalde, Tex., where 18-year-old Salvador Ramos is said to have shot up an elementary school, stood around outside and did nothing to try to stop him while parents and witnesses urged the officers to go inside and take action.
One woman could be heard screaming “Go in there! Go in there!” at officers while they stood stationary outside Robb Elementary School, allowing the tragedy to take place without any attempt at intervention, according to the Associated Press (AP).
The gunman, who reportedly lived with his drug-addicted mother and had numerous encounters with police, barricaded himself in a classroom for 40 minutes, we are told, before murdering 19 students and two teachers.
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Post by: Gefn on May 26, 2022, 07:40:13 pm
Grieving husband of teacher killed in Texas school shooting has died, family says
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Joe Garcia had been married to his high school sweetheart, Irma, for 24 years before she was gunned down at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde.
May 26, 2022, 3:17 PM EDT The husband of one of the teachers killed in a Texas school shooting this week collapsed and died on Thursday while preparing for his wife's funeral, the family said.
Joe Garcia had been married to high school sweetheart, Irma Garcia, for 24 years before she was gunned down Tuesday at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde.
“I don’t even know how to feel. I don’t believe it. I don’t want to believe it” that Joe Garcia has passed away, Irma Garcia's nephew, John Martinez, told NBC News.
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Post by: rustynail on May 26, 2022, 07:43:21 pm
No one brought doughnuts?
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Post by: mystery-ak on May 26, 2022, 08:20:45 pm
May 26, 2022 2:10pm EDT Texas school shooter's grandma still hospitalized after surgery, was not talking as of Wednesday: Family Salvador Ramos' grandmother remains in serious condition after her grandson allegedly shot her in the face on Tuesday By Paul Best , Stephanie Pagones | Fox News
UVALDE, Texas – The Texas woman whose grandson, Salvador Ramos, shot her in the face and then went on to kill 21 people at a Uvalde elementary school earlier this week is recovering in a hospital but is still unable to speak following surgery on Wednesday, her husband told Fox News Digital.
Rolando Reyes, Ramos' grandfather, said Thursday the suspect's 66-year-old grandmother was awake after surgery the day before, but still could not talk.
Reyes spoke briefly with Fox News Digital outside his Uvalde, Texas, home, where Ramos had also been living with the couple. Ramos, 18, is said to have shot and killed 19 students and two teachers at nearby Robb Elementary School on Tuesday before law enforcement fatally wounded him.
more https://www.foxnews.com/us/uvalde-texas-shooters-grandma-condition-hospitalized-surgery
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Post by: 240B on May 26, 2022, 08:45:25 pm
Democrats have only one single mind, absolute power and domination of America and Americans. They are more than willing to burn the entire country to the ground if they have to. Democrats are incapable of compassion, empathy, and simple dignity and honor. With Democrats every single thing they do is about grabbing POWER at any cost. If any situation no matter how egregious and tragic does not benefit them, then they have no use for it at all.
The shooter was not a White person so, it really doesn't matter to Democrats. Just wait and see. A week from now this will disappear. Or, they will make him a so called 'White Hispanic' as they have done before.
Saagar Enjeti @esaagar · 6m Texas DPS now not only now says that Ramos was NOT confronted once before walking into the school but also confirms that officers "fell back" for "cover" upon initial contact and requested tactical backup for before making any other attempt 1 hour later
In other words,in at least one Texas city,"Officer safety" is more important than the lives of mere school children.
Good to know. Hope the voters there remember it when the sheriff comes up for re-election.
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Post by: mystery-ak on May 26, 2022, 09:18:49 pm
Charlie Spiering @charliespiering · 45m NYT reporter asking if the Biden Administration would support taking back the PPP loan of the gun business in Texas who sold shooter the guns.
Karine Jean-Pierre asks him for the name of the business
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Post by: sneakypete on May 26, 2022, 09:19:54 pm
Saagar Enjeti @esaagar · 6m Texas DPS now not only now says that Ramos was NOT confronted once before walking into the school but also confirms that officers "fell back" for "cover" upon initial contact and requested tactical backup for before making any other attempt 1 hour later
Good to know that the po-po in that city consider "officer safety" to be more important than "children safety".
Kinda makes you wonder why they are on the public payroll,doesn't it?
I hope the voters remember this come the next election.
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Post by: mystery-ak on May 26, 2022, 09:20:17 pm
Kyle Becker @kylenabecker · 22m This Uvalde shooting is going to cause me to lose sleep. Inexcusable what happened at Robb Elementary School. 19 babies. Police officers reportedly stood by and let it happen.
If you’re looking for answers, I’ve got one for you: Apathy, incompetence and cowardice.
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Post by: mystery-ak on May 26, 2022, 09:21:38 pm
Kyle Becker @kylenabecker · 22m This Uvalde shooting is going to cause me to lose sleep. Inexcusable what happened at Robb Elementary School. 19 babies. Police officers reportedly stood by and let it happen.
If you’re looking for answers, I’ve got one for you: Apathy, incompetence and cowardice.
Can't wait to see and hear some parent on live tv ask if the police only carry guns to make sure THEY are safe.
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Post by: mystery-ak on May 26, 2022, 09:22:26 pm
Clay Travis @ClayTravis · 39m Things that could have potentially stopped this mass killing: 1. Locked school doors. 2. Locked classroom doors. 3. Armed security at the school. 4. The police arriving at the school. Things that actually stopped this mass murder: nothing.
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Post by: mystery-ak on May 26, 2022, 09:23:09 pm
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 26, 2022, 09:30:38 pm
May 26, 2022 3:34pm EDT Uvalde, Texas student who covered herself in classmates' blood to survive is still shaken, dad says The father of an 11-year-old Robb Elementary School student in Uvalde, Texas, says his daughter is still shaken after watching her teacher and classmates get killed in front of her
By Adam Sabes , Ashley Papa | Fox News
An 11-year-old reportedly smeared blood on herself and went into "survival mode" during the Uvalde mass shooting on Tuesday, and her father tells Fox News Digital that the quick-thinking pre-teen is still shaken after having watched her teacher and classmates gunned down.
Miah Cerrillo, 11, survived the shooting but watched her friends and teacher being killed, according to her aunt, Blanca Rivera, who spoke with Click 2 Houston.
Cerrillo smeared blood on her face and went into survival mode after seeing her classmates shot to death, according to the report.
"My sister-in-law said is that [Miah] saw her friend full of blood, and she got blood and put it on herself," Rivera said. "My brother said she had bullet fragments in her back."
more https://www.foxnews.com/us/uvalde-texas-student-covered-classmates-blood-shaken
very smart indeed!
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Post by: 240B on May 26, 2022, 09:44:41 pm
All of you people are missing the point! According to Obama, we should all be worshipping George Floyd! and morn for his death. A few Hispanic/Latino kids were killed, but the point is always George Floyd! (felon, criminal, abuser, addict, rapist)
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Post by: Fishrrman on May 26, 2022, 10:01:06 pm
So law enforcement -- all those guys in the white hats -- LOADS of 'em -- got there after the gunfire started, and then... just waited....?
For 30 minutes? Or 40 minutes? Or even longer?
And did NOTHING? NOTHING? While these kids were being killed inside?
And... it finally took a Border Control officer -- who's job doesn't even entail "local law enforcement" -- to rush the place and kill the murderer, taking a bullet in the process?
He (and one or two others with him) were obviously the heroes with all the slackers and COWARDS outside.
Who was this brave Border Control guy? Why hasn't he been named? I'll bet a lot of folks down there -- guys wearin' badges -- DON'T want to see his name publicized for the courage he exhibited while they hunkered down outside.
OK, all you Texas Briefers... What's going on down there?
I thought Texas was supposed to be the place where lawmen walked tall, where those guys in the white hats RAN TOWARD the sound of gunfire, instead of sitting outside waiting for further orders, or whatever they were waitin' for.
I've got no power, but if I did, every one of the "law officers", be they local, state or federal -- EVERY ONE -- would get a pink slip and be told to look for another line of work.
'Cause the one thing they ain't ... is "law men". We found that out a couple of days ago.
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Post by: DCPatriot on May 26, 2022, 10:10:37 pm
Men standing around doing nothing while kids are being slaughtered. Waiting for 'instructions'?
Maybe NETFLIX has something... WTF were all the lesbian superheroes when you needed one?
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Post by: massadvj on May 26, 2022, 10:27:03 pm
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Post by: mountaineer on May 26, 2022, 10:34:45 pm
On TV news tonight, I kept hearing references to "the shooter" or "the 18-year-old," and not to RAMOS. Were they afraid to say his name, for fear of offending his particular ethic group (whatever it is)?
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Post by: Elderberry on May 26, 2022, 10:49:45 pm
On TV news tonight, I kept hearing references to "the shooter" or "the 18-year-old," and not to RAMOS. Were they afraid to say his name, for fear of offending his particular ethic group (whatever it is)?
No. Its to not give the shooter any notoriety.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: sneakypete on May 26, 2022, 10:52:16 pm
It is clear now from the long list of school shootings in recent years that families can’t trust government schools, in particular, to bring their children or teachers home safely at the end of the day. The same institutions that punish students for “misgendering” people and hide curriculum from parents are simply not equipped to safeguard your children from harm.
While some school districts devote time and resources to screening, training, and licensing teachers to carry firearms in their classrooms, most states and districts have policies that explicitly prohibit educators from carrying guns on school property for self-defense. Instead, they create gun-free school zones and allow only one or two security guards a weapon meant to protect hundreds of people in a crisis. Democrats on the national level have also blocked federal funds from arming and preparing teachers for the worst-case scenario.
Schools should be a safe place for children to learn, but saying “guns have no place here” only stops good people with kids’ best interests in mind from being able to protect them. At home, parents don’t have to worry about jumping through bureaucratic hoops to shield their kids from a bullet, the trauma of seeing their classmates slaughtered, or even terrifying shooting drills. They live and teach in a controlled environment where guns can be safely carried for self-defense or locked away when not in use.
More at link.
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Post by: Cyber Liberty on May 26, 2022, 11:18:24 pm
On TV news tonight, I kept hearing references to "the shooter" or "the 18-year-old," and not to RAMOS. Were they afraid to say his name, for fear of offending his particular ethic group (whatever it is)?
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Post by: Cyber Liberty on May 26, 2022, 11:19:55 pm
Correction. It was MALES "standing around",NOT "men". MEN will rush TO the sound of gunfire to rescue women and/or children.
"Males" just stand around,drink coffee,and polish their badges.
And the "males" were busy arresting parents who said "Eff you, I'm saving my baby!"
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 26, 2022, 11:30:27 pm
Texas DPS official refuses to say why officers didn't breach the door of the classroom for the hour that the Uvalde shooter was in there shooting children. pic.twitter.com/br2fdYruty— Greg Price (@greg_price11) May 26, 2022
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 26, 2022, 11:33:55 pm
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Not only has everything that we have been told by Uvalde law enforcement & authorities been a lie, but it has been a coordinated lie. A coordinated campaign.
I want answers. I want badges.
This is shaping up to be the greatest failure & coverup in our law enforcement history. https://t.co/EfwJisUN4w— Marina Medvin 🇺🇸 (@MarinaMedvin) May 26, 2022
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 26, 2022, 11:34:57 pm
Uvalde Shooter Fired Gun For 12 Minutes Outside School Before Entering https://t.co/lWoc0wAkmw— zerohedge (@zerohedge) May 26, 2022
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Post by: mountaineer on May 26, 2022, 11:35:17 pm
That hasn't worked very well, has it? Do mass shooters generally watch TV news?
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 26, 2022, 11:38:20 pm
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 26, 2022, 11:41:34 pm
These cops need a punishment beyond suspension or termination .......
These cops need a punishment beyond suspension or termination .......
Just a question, not judging either way:
The shooter was wearing body armor and was firing a 7.26 bullet from a semi-automatic weapon. You, OTOH, have just a protective vest, no helmet and a Glock 9mm pistol. After receiving fire, do you retreat and wait for back-up?
Or, in hindsight, do you find another window/classroom entrance that for a line-of-sight on him? (With just a pistol and no extra clips) :shrug:
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 26, 2022, 11:51:17 pm
Abbott's cops may cost him reelection......unless he quickly seeks answers and isn't afraid to prosecute.
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Post by: mystery-ak on May 26, 2022, 11:52:14 pm
WATCH: Texas Police Spox on Live TV Confirmed Cops Went In for Their Own Kids During Uvalde Shooting By Tommy ChristopherMay 26th, 2022, 12:34 pm
Texas Department Public Safety spokesman Lt. Christopher Olivarez confirmed to a reporter during a live shot that police officers went into Robb Elementary School to get their own children during the massacre.
Amid outrage over reports that frantic families who complained about police inaction during the massacre were held back by police, a clip of a live interview with Olivarez from Tuesday has gone viral.
In the clip, Vanessa Croix of KENS 5 says she’s heard that police went into the school to get their own kids while the shooting was going on, asks Lt. Olivarez about it:
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VANESSA CROIX: And we’ve also heard word that a Border Patrol agent was struck with gunfire. A few officers shot. We’ve heard that some law enforcement officers actually went into school to get their kids out. Can you talk about that?
LT. CHRISTOPHER OLIVAREZ: Right. So what we do know, Vanessa, right now, that there was some police officers, families trying to get their children out of school because it was a active shooter situation right now. It’s a terrible situation right now. And of course, just as we mentioned, the loss of life. It’s just a terrible, it’s a terrible tragedy of another took place. But again, we’ve got to keep acknowledging those brave men and women that actually were there on scene that met this suspect. And, of course, we know that they were met with gunfire. Some of them were shot. But at the end of this, the suspect was shot, is now deceased. The threat is now neutralized.
The clip was flagged by prominent Twitter users like Democratic comms operative Sawyer Hackett and New York Times Evan Hill, and went viral:
Yeah,probably a good thing for both them AND me that I wasn't one of the parents.
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 27, 2022, 12:07:57 am
The shooter was wearing body armor and was firing a 7.26 bullet from a semi-automatic weapon. You, OTOH, have just a protective vest, no helmet and a Glock 9mm pistol. After receiving fire, do you retreat and wait for back-up?
Or, in hindsight, do you find another window/classroom entrance that could allow you to a change to get to him? (With just a pistol and no extra clips)
As a cop, is your life worth more than those you've sworn to serve and protect, including children? @DCPatriot
Is a cop standing outside for 60 minutes listening to the slaughter of children --- while their mothers are begging you to help them --- legally depraved indifference?
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Post by: mystery-ak on May 27, 2022, 12:11:34 am
Tucker is on this right now...
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 27, 2022, 12:14:23 am
Calmly, methodiclly ,,,,,, will post the vid ASAP.
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 27, 2022, 12:19:01 am
There are also reports that some of the cops waiting for backup went into the school and grabbed their own kids ...... then resumed waiting for backup.
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Post by: mystery-ak on May 27, 2022, 12:24:15 am
There are also reports that some of the cops waiting for backup went into the school and grabbed their own kids ...... then resumed waiting for backup.
Yes..I posted that above and Tucker talked about it too!
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Post by: GtHawk on May 27, 2022, 12:24:26 am
On TV news tonight, I kept hearing references to "the shooter" or "the 18-year-old," and not to RAMOS. Were they afraid to say his name, for fear of offending his particular ethic group (whatever it is)?
Not his ethnic group, I mean he went in and slaughtered 21 of his ethnic group so I doubt they could be more offended than that. It's liberals not wanting to have to go against the liberal crap of shooters being racist White supremacists, it's been rough on them with what 3 of the last 4 mass murderers being non Whites? I guess that's why ABC used the sick trick of lightening Ramos's skin tone in pictures.
Actually I wouldn't mind if they just referred to him as that sick son of bitch.
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 27, 2022, 12:43:20 am
Chuck Schumer BLOCKS school safety bill—says 'gun legislation' is the answer May 26, 2022
The bill would have charged the Department of Homeland Security with establishing standards for best practices in the area of school safety, and to "collect clearinghouse data analytics, user feedback on the implementation of best practices and recommendations identified by the clearinghouse, and any evaluations conducted on these best practices and recommendations."
According to Fox News, "after the horrific mass shooting at a Uvalde, Tex., elementary school that killed 19 children and two teachers, Sen. Ron Johnson (R-WI) asked for the Luke and Alex School Safety Act to be passed by unanimous consent."
Schumer, however, commented publicly that he felt that the bill would lead to "more guns in schools," and believes that gun control legislation is the solution, saying on Twitter:
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GOP Sen. Johnson just tried for a bill that could see more guns in schools—I blocked it.
The truth: There were officers at the school in Texas. The shooter got past them.
We need real solutions—We will vote on gun legislation starting with the Domestic Terrorism Prevention Act.
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Post by: Hoodat on May 27, 2022, 12:45:40 am
Here's some more info on Ramos: Texas school shooter Salvador Ramos once cut up his face with knives ‘just for fun,’ friends say
Yaron Steinbuch | May 25, 2022 8:03am
. . . Friends and relatives also said Ramos had been bullied throughout middle school for a speech impediment – a stutter and lisp, according to the Washington Post.
His cousin Mia said she saw students mocking his impediment during middle school, where he tried at first to ignore the bullying but then told his grandmother that he didn’t want to go back to school. . .
. . . Childhood friend Stephen Garcia told the paper that Ramos “would get bullied hard, like bullied by a lot of people. Over social media, over gaming, over everything.
“He was the nicest kid, the most shiest kid. He just needed to break out of his shell,” he said, adding that Ramos was once subjected to homophobic slurs after posting a photo of himself wearing black eyeliner.
Garcia said he tried to defend his friend before moving with his mother to another part of the state for her job.
“He just started being a different person. He kept getting worse and worse, and I don’t even know,” he told the paper.
Ramos soon began wearing all black, walked in large military boots and grew out his hair, according to the report.
Nadia Reyes, another high school classmate, told the paper that Ramos recently posted an Instagram Story of himself yelling at his mom, who he said was trying to kick him out of their home.
“He posted videos on his Instagram where the cops were there and he’d call his mom a b—- and say she wanted to kick him out,” she told the paper. “He’d be screaming and talking to his mom really aggressively.” . . .
. . . Flores and several other people familiar with the family said Ramos’ mother used drugs, which contributed to the trouble at home, according to the Washington Post, which said it could not reach her for comment.
Ramos moved to his grandmother’s home across town a few months ago, according to Flores, who said he last saw the grandmother Sunday when she stopped by the mom’s Hood Street property, which she also owned.
He said she told him she was in the process of evicting Ramos’ mother because of her drug issues. . . .
It looks like the mother lived in the same town. I had not seen that reported anywhere. I am assuming that the grandmother was her mother. But having your grandmother evict your mother from her home had to have an effect on Ramos.
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 27, 2022, 12:46:15 am
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Hoodat on May 27, 2022, 12:51:13 am
According to the officer in the video below, "several officers were shot". Do we have a count of how many police officers were wounded from gunfire? https://twitter.com/SawyerHackett/status/1529808809719480320
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Post by: DCPatriot on May 27, 2022, 12:58:27 am
As a cop, is your life worth more than those you've sworn to serve and protect, including children? @DCPatriot
Is a cop standing outside for 60 minutes listening to the slaughter of children --- while their mothers are begging you to help them --- legally depraved indifference?
If each and every police officer received boot camp training like Marines, your first question would be valid.
But most cops in that county can go their entire career without pulling their weapon. Their first instinct? Survive.
Seems only in movies will you find a "Dirty Harry".
As to your 2nd question, it is truly unbelievable that it took a couple of Border Patrol agents who happened to be in the general area, to pitch in.
(Glenn Beck took dramatic license and said the Border Patrol came upon the school, their reins whipping any illegal that got in the way)
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Post by: Hoodat on May 27, 2022, 01:14:45 am
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“The police were doing nothing,” said Angeli Rose Gomez, who after learning about the shooting drove 40 miles to Robb Elementary School, where her children are in second and third grade. “They were just standing outside the fence. They weren’t going in there or running anywhere.”
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Ms. Gomez, a farm supervisor, said that she was one of numerous parents who began encouraging—first politely, and then with more urgency—police and other law enforcement to enter the school. After a few minutes, she said, federal marshals approached her and put her in handcuffs, telling her she was being arrested for intervening in an active investigation.
Ms. Gomez convinced local Uvalde police officers whom she knew to persuade the marshals to set her free. Around her, the scene was frantic. She said she saw a father tackled and thrown to the ground by police and a third pepper-sprayed. Once freed from her cuffs, Ms. Gomez made her distance from the crowd, jumped the school fence, and ran inside to grab her two children. She sprinted out of the school with them.
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Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on May 27, 2022, 01:15:17 am
As a cop, is your life worth more than those you've sworn to serve and protect, including children? @DCPatriot
Is a cop standing outside for 60 minutes listening to the slaughter of children --- while their mothers are begging you to help them --- legally depraved indifference?
The cops were not just standing still listening to kids getting slaughtered.
They were also busy restraining any parents from trying to save their kids, even arresting some.
And if the reports that cops got their own kids out of school as a priority, then damn them mightily for not helping others.
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 27, 2022, 01:23:03 am
The cops were not just standing still listening to kids getting slaughtered.
They were also busy restraining any parents from trying to save their kids, even arresting some.
And if the reports that cops got their own kids out of school as a priority, then damn them mightily for not helping others.
goopo
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Post by: Ghost Bear on May 27, 2022, 01:24:57 am
Personally, I don't think that a bunch of untrained, unequipped cops getting shot & killed would have done much to save those kids.
But at least then we would have had a bunch of dead cops to cry over along with the dead children, and I suppose that would have made some people in this country happy.
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Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on May 27, 2022, 01:29:43 am
Personally, I don't think that a bunch of untrained, unequipped cops getting shot & killed would have done much to save those kids.
But at least then we would have had a bunch of dead cops to cry over along with the dead children, and I suppose that would have made some people in this country happy.
BS.
An untrained cop is not a cop.
We heard a report of a mother who went in and saved her own two kids. She was neither trained or armed.
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 27, 2022, 01:33:06 am
If each and every police officer received boot camp training like Marines, your first question would be valid.
But most cops in that county can go their entire career without pulling their weapon. Their first instinct? Survive.
The first instinct is to save children ..... they made the conscious choice to put their safety first @DCPatriot --- except in the instances when a cop went in to save his own kid.
I want to defend the cops, and I cannot. These cops standing around waiting for 60 minutes not only broke their oath, they broke with humanity.
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Post by: Ghost Bear on May 27, 2022, 01:35:32 am
We heard a report of a mother who went in and saved her own two kids. She was neither trained or armed.
BS yourself. The news reports are all over the place, and probably being deliberately skewed by the press to make the cops look bad.
Did that mother "go in" and save her own kids, or did she meet them coming out of a door or window and escort them away? Until we get better reporting, we have no way of knowing.
Running at an active shooter generally ends up with dead heroes, unless those running at the shooter have body armor and tactical training. An despite what you think, ordinary cops in a small town do not have that kind of training, or that kind of body armor.
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Post by: Hoodat on May 27, 2022, 01:37:00 am
Did that mother "go in" and save her own kids, or did she meet them coming out of a door or window and escort them away? Until we get better reporting, we have no way of knowing.
According to the Wall Street Journal, she went in, grabbed her kids, and brought them out. They reported that the mother was 40 miles away when she heard about the shooting. That's maybe 25 minutes before she got on the scene. Once there, she was handcuffed for a period, unhandcuffed, and then made her way away from the crowd, climbed a fence, and got into the school.
My question is what was going on during this time? Did all the gunshots occur in the beginning, and the police waited outside to silence for 45 min? Or were gunshots being heard outside while the police waited? Or maybe all the gunshots happened at the end just before the border agent charged inside.
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Post by: Smokin Joe on May 27, 2022, 01:43:29 am
Do you know they were equipped with body armor? I don't know that. Lots of small town cops (and Uvalde is a small town) don't have body armor.
Body armor doesn't neutralize a shooter.
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Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on May 27, 2022, 01:44:08 am
Unequipped? You can argue that they did not have SWAT or anti-terrorism training. But they were certainly equipped.
He has been watching too many Rambo movies.
Most every cop in America does not have the equipment or SWAT training he describes, yet they somehow undertake proactive actions anyway and very, very rarely get killed.
And the times to turn the juices up is when you are saving children from death.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Ghost Bear on May 27, 2022, 01:48:28 am
According to the Wall Street Journal, she went in, grabbed her kids, and brought them out. They reported that the mother was 40 miles away when she heard about the shooting. That's maybe 25 minutes before she got on the scene. Once there, she was handcuffed for a period, unhandcuffed, and then made her way away from the crowd, climbed a fence, and got into the school.
My question is what was going on during this time? Did all the gunshots occur in the beginning, and the police waited outside to silence for 45 min? Or were gunshots being heard outside while the police waited? Or maybe all the gunshots happened at the end just before the border agent charged inside.
From an EMS standpoint, the "golden hour" for trauma patients was pretty much used up before anyone went in. Depending on where the kids were wounded, that may or may not have made a difference.
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Post by: Ghost Bear on May 27, 2022, 01:49:43 am
According to the Wall Street Journal, she went in, grabbed her kids, and brought them out. They reported that the mother was 40 miles away when she heard about the shooting. That's maybe 25 minutes before she got on the scene. Once there, she was handcuffed for a period, unhandcuffed, and then made her way away from the crowd, climbed a fence, and got into the school.
My question is what was going on during this time? Did all the gunshots occur in the beginning, and the police waited outside to silence for 45 min? Or were gunshots being heard outside while the police waited? Or maybe all the gunshots happened at the end just before the border agent charged inside.
At this point I trust very little that the media is telling us about this event.
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Post by: Smokin Joe on May 27, 2022, 01:50:44 am
Do you know they were equipped with body armor? I don't know that. Lots of small town cops (and Uvalde is a small town) don't have body armor.
I have seen ads (even 2 for one sales) where IIIa body armor is offered for about $500, with steel trauma plates. but it takes another shooter to stop a shooter.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 27, 2022, 01:51:49 am
At this point I trust very little that the media is telling us about this event.
It's what the media is NOT telling us that might be most pertinent. Seems like they have to protect all the protected bits to push the anti-gun narrative.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 27, 2022, 01:53:41 am
I think it very odd that there were no updates tonight..are they afraid to talk to the media?..I wonder..
There were police with armor standing around...you can hear on some of the tapes of parents asking the cops to give them to them so they could go and rescue their kids...
tomorrow there will be more news..I hope events better explained than today
This is heartbreaking as it is but to hear that they didn't go in for an hour and a Border Patrol Team came and went in and killed this POS is even more so....kids dying on the classroom floors.... 8888crybaby
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 27, 2022, 01:55:10 am
Clint Ehrlich @ClintEhrlich
We don't need a "rethink" of police tactics.
American police have been trained since Columbine to immediately confront active shooters.
What we need are police brave enough to actually do that, instead of standing outside listening to children be massacred.
11:30 PM · May 25, 2022·Twitter for Android
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Hoodat on May 27, 2022, 01:59:18 am
Body armor might keep the cop alive long enough to reach the shooter and neutralize him.
If my kid were in there, I would have gone in with a baseball bat. Hopefully, adrenalin would have kept me alive long enough to save my son.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 27, 2022, 02:01:08 am
Body armor might keep the cop alive long enough to reach the shooter and neutralize him.
Did the border patrol agent who went directly into the school, asked an administrator to unlock the classroom door .... and then killed the shooter .... have body armor?
Did the border patrol agent who went directly into the school, asked an administrator to unlock the classroom door .... and then killed the shooter .... have body armor?
If my kid were in there, I would have gone in with a baseball bat. Hopefully, adrenalin would have kept me alive long enough to save my son.
I understand the emotion, but I stand by my opinion.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 27, 2022, 02:06:19 am
Did the border patrol agent who went directly into the school, asked an administrator to unlock the classroom door .... and then killed the shooter .... have body armor?
I see someone else already answered your question. But you asked me directly, so I felt I should respond, even if it was only to say "what @Smokin Joe said."
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: sneakypete on May 27, 2022, 02:07:49 am
As a cop, is your life worth more than those you've sworn to serve and protect, including children? @DCPatriot
Is a cop standing outside for 60 minutes listening to the slaughter of children --- while their mothers are begging you to help them --- legally depraved indifference?
Depends on the circumstances. Can you get within 20 feet or so of him before he sees you?
Can you get off the first shot and hit what you are shooting at?
At "living room distances" it doesn't matter if you are carrying a 9mm or a freaking bazooka if you are a good shot. All you can kill someone is "dead",and a 9mm through an eye socket will make someone as dead as they will ever be.
Of course,this is assuming the guy/woman with the 9mm has been in a gunfight or two before,and capable as well as confident. Doesn't matter how good a shot you are or what you are armed with if you panic and miss.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Hoodat on May 27, 2022, 02:11:59 am
Authorities took an hour to stop Uvalde gunman, raising questions about law enforcement response
Officials clarified the timeline of the shooting Thursday after giving varying accounts. They refused to answer many questions about the tactics.
JOSHUA FECHTER AND REESE OXNER | MAY 26, 2022 | UPDATED: 2 HOURS AGO
. . . Escalon declined to answer several questions from reporters and to clarify discrepancies in previous statements by agency officials, saying authorities “will circle back.”
He offered new details about the timeline of the law enforcement response Thursday, saying local police officers were the first to arrive at the school — about four minutes after the gunman entered — but had to fall back after taking gunfire. Officers tried to negotiate with the shooter, he said, but the man “did not respond.”
Escalon said most of the gunfire from the shooter occurred when he first entered the school but added that he continued to fire shots — some at police — as officers attempted to make contact.
It took officers an hour to kill the gunman once he was inside as law enforcement officers called "everyone that's in the area" to help, then waited for "specialty equipment" and body armor and organized a tactical team to reenter the school, Escalon said. . .
BS yourself. The news reports are all over the place, and probably being deliberately skewed by the press to make the cops look bad.
Did that mother "go in" and save her own kids, or did she meet them coming out of a door or window and escort them away? Until we get better reporting, we have no way of knowing.
Running at an active shooter generally ends up with dead heroes, unless those running at the shooter have body armor and tactical training. An despite what you think, ordinary cops in a small town do not have that kind of training, or that kind of body armor.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 27, 2022, 02:25:59 am
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/05/26/22/58335437-10858577-image-m-12_1653601487469.jpg) Angeli Gomez (above) jumped the school fence and ran the school where she rescued her children herself
The first instinct is to save children ..... they made the conscious choice to put their safety first @DCPatriot --- except in the instances when a cop went in to save his own kid.
I want to defend the cops, and I cannot. These cops standing around waiting for 60 minutes not only broke their oath, they broke with humanity.
Morally, you are 100% right.
The way things are going today it wouldn't surprise me if orders came from Washington, DC to NOT enter the school "...until the proper authorities are on site".
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 27, 2022, 02:40:38 am
The way things are going today it wouldn't surprise me if orders came from Washington, DC to NOT enter the school "...until the proper authorities are on site".
Come on @DCPatriot ... why would WDC give an order to this pollice department? Wouldn't that have come from Abbott?
I know we're pro-cop. But, are we really going to defend police operating under the blanket of "protect yourself and your own, then stand down"?
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 27, 2022, 02:46:54 am
Greg Pollowitz @GPollowitz
it's time for @GregAbbott_TX to open an investigation into the police response in Uvalde.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 27, 2022, 02:52:15 am
"Texas DPS official refuses to say why officers didn't breach the door of the classroom for the hour that the Uvalde shooter was in there shooting children." (Video)
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 27, 2022, 03:43:42 am
Calmly, methodiclly ,,,,,, will post the vid ASAP.
"Tucker Carlson on wanting to know what exactly happened during the tragic school shooting in Uvalde, TX: "No matter how pro-law enforcement you are—and we are—there is only so much BS you can take in the face of a tragedy like this." (Video)
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Sighlass on May 27, 2022, 05:48:18 am
Thanks for the update gang.... Lord knows this has weighed heavy on my heart.... A godless society and we are reaping what we sowed. Broken families, drugs, and a lack of a moral compass starting with a lack of respect for elders.
As far as the police holding back, I bet most those officers were following orders (except when it came to saving their own kids first).
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: sneakypete on May 27, 2022, 05:53:44 am
The way things are going today it wouldn't surprise me if orders came from Washington, DC to NOT enter the school "...until the proper authorities are on site".
DC can't order local cops to do diddly-squat. The Texas Governor can order the Texas Highway Patrol and other state agencies to back off,but he can't order the local police to do a damn thing.
Those local cops decided on their own that their own safety was more important than the safety of those children.
Not only should they be fired,they should be banned from ever again being hired as LEO's,and then tarred and feathered and ran out of town naked and barefoot.
I can tolerate the typical coward. After all,they have no choice but to be a coward because it is in their nature to be both scared and to always put themselves first in importance. And,after all,who would WANT to live life as a coward if they had a choice?
What I can NOT tolerate is cowardly police. They KNEW they were cowards when the pinned the badges on and took the oaths,and did so anyhow. Chances are most became cops because they wanted to legally be able to carry a gun everywhere they went,and they knew the badge and the uniform would guarantee them all the backup they needed anytime they needed it. Most cops WILL go out on a limb to help save a fellow cop,even if they wouldn't to save a "civilian".
The cops in that town are nothing but cowardly punks with badges.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: sneakypete on May 27, 2022, 05:59:27 am
Try riding a homebuilt custom Harley around in almost any city,while having long hair and a beard,and then get back with me on how "we" are "pro-cop".
If I had remained in Denver for another year or two,chances are I would have been sniping at the bastards from rooftops. Granted,the Denver PD has a MUCH longer history of corruption and brutality than most,but they damn sure ain't an exception.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: DCPatriot on May 27, 2022, 10:21:50 am
Try riding a homebuilt custom Harley around in almost any city,while having long hair and a beard,and then get back with me on how "we" are "pro-cop".
If I had remained in Denver for another year or two,chances are I would have been sniping at the bastards from rooftops. Granted,the Denver PD has a MUCH longer history of corruption and brutality than most,but they damn sure ain't an exception.
LOL! @Right_in_Virginia means that all of here at TBR instinctively give law enforcement the benefit of any doubt before we "tar and feather" anybody. Nobody here is for defunding police, etc..
But you're right in your last ping to me. Cowardly police officers in the face of chaos are worthless.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: verga on May 27, 2022, 11:49:20 am
The shooter was wearing body armor and was firing a 7.26 bullet from a semi-automatic weapon. You, OTOH, have just a protective vest, no helmet and a Glock 9mm pistol. After receiving fire, do you retreat and wait for back-up?
Or, in hindsight, do you find another window/classroom entrance that for a line-of-sight on him? (With just a pistol and no extra clips) :shrug:
Just a couple points of fact.
1) He was firing 5.56 rounds not 7.62 2) He wasn't wearing body armor. Yes he had on what we call a "plate carrier". But he had no armor plates in it. He was using it as an ammo carrier.
That being said...
Most LEO's carry an AR in their trunk/cargo area these days as standard kit in addition to their side arm. Too many times of running up against bad guys who out gunned them made that happen.
If you wait for the perfect time to go in...you'll never go in. To paraphrase Donald Rumsfeld...you go in with the officers you have. Time is of the essence and the longer you wait the more innocent people get killed.
After taking fire, you don't retreat. You continue to push the fight to the perp. Half a dozen cops coming from multiple points of entry...one shooter can't shoot two directions at once.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mountaineer on May 27, 2022, 12:22:35 pm
FWIW:
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Sara Spector @Miriam2626 As an ex prosecutor from Uvalde, I can say based on my past interactions with Uvalde PD, you will never know the truth about what went down in that school until every inch of video tape is released to the press. 8:38 PM · May 26, 2022 from Midland, TX
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mountaineer on May 27, 2022, 12:23:50 pm
Op-ed from Meghan McCain in Daily Mail: MEGHAN MCCAIN: This isn't time for political stunts and Texans don't need two-bit, washed up politicians like Beto O'Rourke hijacking their horror for his own selfish political interests (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10858453/MEGHAN-MCCAIN-Texans-dont-need-two-bit-washed-politician-like-Beto-hijacking-horror.html)
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on May 27, 2022, 01:06:56 pm
Did the border patrol agent who went directly into the school, asked an administrator to unlock the classroom door .... and then killed the shooter .... have body armor?
Not unless he wears it getting a haircut Heroic officer rushed into Uvalde school with barber’s shotgun to save daughter, wife An off-duty US Customs and Border Protection agent fearlessly rushed into Robb Elementary School with his barber’s shotgun and rescued dozens of children and his daughter after his wife texted him that there was an active shooter.
Jacob Albarado had just sat down for a haircut when he received the horrifying message from his wife, Trisha, a fourth-grade teacher at the Uvalde, Texas, elementary school, he told the New York Times.
“There’s an active shooter,” she wrote. “Help,” she sent before sending a chilling: “I love you.”
He immediately leaped out of his seat, grabbed the barber’s shotgun and sped off toward the school. (https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/05/hero-uvalde-police-228.jpg) https://nypost.com/2022/05/27/cbp-officer-jacob-albarado-runs-into-uvalde-school-with-barbers-shotgun-to-save-daughter/
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 27, 2022, 01:40:01 pm
TX DPS: Best Practice Is to Neutralize Shooters, But Officers in Uvalde ‘Could Have Been Shot’ Because They Didn’t Know Where He Was
Ian Hanchett 26 May 2022
On Thursday’s broadcast of CNN’s “Situation Room,” Texas Department of Public Safety Spokesman and Lt. Christopher Olivarez acknowledged that best practices call for police to disable an active shooter as soon as they can, but that officers inside the school in Uvalde didn’t know where the shooter was and “if they proceeded any further not knowing where this suspect was at, they could have been shot, they could have been killed, and, at that point, that gunman would have had an opportunity to kill other people inside that school. So, they were able to contain that gunman inside that classroom so that he was not able to go to any other portions of the school to commit any other killings.”
Olivarez stated, “
fficers were in that building within minutes. They maintained their presence inside that school. We had multiple officers that responded on the scene within minutes. Two of those officers were shot. They took cover. Because you have to understand this is an active situation, you have an active shooter that is shooting towards law enforcement, as well as the children, the students, the teachers that are inside that school. But those officers maintained cover. They did not flee from that school. They were inside that school while they were being shot at. So, that’s one thing I need to stress and clarify to the viewers and to everyone else out there, that those officers were on-scene. Also, in addition to that, other officers arrived and they were able to evacuate other children as well and teachers. We have to understand, too, that there [were] multiple, numerous — it was a full school. I mean, they were trying to evacuate as many people as possible. Because in an active shooter situation, your focus is to stop the killing and to preserve life. At that point, they had the suspect contained inside the classroom. If those officers weren’t there, if they did not maintain their presence, there is a good chance that gunman could have made it to other classrooms and [committed] more killings.”
Host Wolf Blitzer then asked if it was “a mistake” for officers “to wait for this second tactical team to arrive before fully pushing into that school and neutralizing the gunman?”
Olivarez answered, “So, what we do know, Wolf, is that there [were] multiple officers that arrived on-scene. There [were] three officers that arrived, they made entry at one of the entrances where the gunman actually made entrance to. We had other — another four officers that had made entry at the other entrance of the school. So, there [were] officers inside that school. As they were taking gunfire, they were also calling in for reinforcement, backup, tactical teams, snipers, any additional personnel that could arrive to assist to not only to — with the situation, but also to assist in evacuating students and teachers. At that time, that’s when a U.S. Border Patrol tactical officer arrived, also with a…sheriff’s deputy, as well as two additional Uvalde Police Department officers were able to go into that classroom with a ballistic shield as cover. And of course, we know that one of those officers, an agent, actually, was shot, was grazed on the top of the head. But they were able to shoot and kill the suspect and preserve any other life. We know that there [were] other injured children inside that classroom that they were able to save as well and get them to cover. And at that point, it became a recovery process, a rescue operation, trying to rescue the injured and also any other potential children or teachers that were inside those classrooms.”
Blitzer then asked, “But don’t current best practices, Lt., call for officers to disable a shooter as quickly as possible, regardless of how many officers are actually on-site?”
Olivarez responded, “Correct. [In an] active shooter situation, you want to stop the killing, you want to preserve life, but also, one thing that — of course, the American people need to understand is that officers are making entry into this building. They do not know where the gunman is. They are hearing gunshots. They are receiving gunshots. At that point, if they proceeded any further not knowing where this suspect was at, they could have been shot, they could have been killed, and, at that point, that gunman would have had an opportunity to kill other people inside that school. So, they were able to contain that gunman inside that classroom so that he was not able to go to any other portions of the school to commit any other killings.”
If you wait for the perfect time to go in...you'll never go in. To paraphrase Donald Rumsfeld...you go in with the officers you have. Time is of the essence and the longer you wait the more innocent people get killed.
After taking fire, you don't retreat. You continue to push the fight to the perp. Half a dozen cops coming from multiple points of entry...one shooter can't shoot two directions at once.
Word.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Fishrrman on May 27, 2022, 01:45:45 pm
Governor Abbott had better get on the right side of this disaster, and he'd better do it quickly.
Otherwise, that "incident with Beto" at the press conference may end up helping Mr. O'Rourke more than it does Mr. Abbott.
This could cost the Pubbies the election down there.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Hoodat on May 27, 2022, 01:48:29 pm
Heroic officer rushed into Uvalde school with barber’s shotgun to save daughter, wife An off-duty US Customs and Border Protection agent fearlessly rushed into Robb Elementary School with his barber’s shotgun and rescued dozens of children and his daughter after his wife texted him that there was an active shooter.
Jacob Albarado had just sat down for a haircut when he received the horrifying message from his wife, Trisha, a fourth-grade teacher at the Uvalde, Texas, elementary school, he told the New York Times.
“There’s an active shooter,” she wrote. “Help,” she sent before sending a chilling: “I love you.”
He immediately leaped out of his seat, grabbed the barber’s shotgun and sped off toward the school.
These are the same people that the Biden regime slandered by falsely accusing them of whipping immigrants illegally attempting to cross the border.
Governor Abbott had better get on the right side of this disaster, and he'd better do it quickly.
Otherwise, that "incident with Beto" at the press conference may end up helping Mr. O'Rourke more than it does Mr. Abbott.
This could cost the Pubbies the election down there.
Disagree. Beto wrecked any chances he had against Abbott with that stunt. It exposed him for what he is. A political grifter willing to stand on the bodies of dead children to try and score political points.
He gave Abbot's campaign a goldmine of video to use in ads against Robert Francis.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Kamaji on May 27, 2022, 01:50:40 pm
Just my personal opinion about the cops not going in: If I were one of those cops, I would have gone in, the risk of death notwithstanding, because those were children in there, and my life as an adult is not worth more than the lives of those children. Simple as that.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: txradioguy on May 27, 2022, 01:55:16 pm
Just my personal opinion about the cops not going in: If I were one of those cops, I would have gone in, the risk of death notwithstanding, because those were children in there, and my life as an adult is not worth more than the lives of those children. Simple as that.
"Protect and Serve"
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 27, 2022, 01:59:19 pm
Grandfather gives tour of Uvalde shooter’s blood-soaked home, says wife shot in face over a phone bill is awake
May 27, 2022 | Terresa Monroe-Hamilton
Independent journalist Ali Bradley took footage inside the home of Uvalde shooter Salvador Rolando Ramos guided by the grandfather, Rolando Reyes, who showed her where Celia Gonzalez, the grandmother, was shot in the face by her grandson after an alleged argument over a phone bill ensued.
The inside of the home was evidently spattered with blood. The bullet that hit the grandmother, 66, in the face reportedly entered through her cheek and exited just below her ear. It is a miracle she survived.
Ramos, 18, had announced on social media that he intended to shoot his grandmother before going on his killing spree that took the lives of 19 children and two teachers at Robb Elementary School.
“There’s blood all over,” the grandfather, 74, told Bradley and then pointed to an interior door frame. “There was a pool of blood here.”
Remarkably, after being shot in the face, the grandmother was able to call 911 which almost certainly saved her life. She is still in critical condition but is awake and expected to survive. She is communicating with her family by writing.
more https://www.bizpacreview.com/2022/05/27/grandfather-gives-tour-of-uvalde-shooters-blood-soaked-home-says-wife-shot-in-face-over-a-phone-bill-is-awake-1243045/
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Cyber Liberty on May 27, 2022, 02:02:50 pm
1) He was firing 5.56 rounds not 7.62 2) He wasn't wearing body armor. Yes he had on what we call a "plate carrier". But he had no armor plates in it. He was using it as an ammo carrier.
That being said...
Most LEO's carry an AR in their trunk/cargo area these days as standard kit in addition to their side arm. Too many times of running up against bad guys who out gunned them made that happen.
If you wait for the perfect time to go in...you'll never go in. To paraphrase Donald Rumsfeld...you go in with the officers you have. Time is of the essence and the longer you wait the more innocent people get killed.
After taking fire, you don't retreat. You continue to push the fight to the perp. Half a dozen cops coming from multiple points of entry...one shooter can't shoot two directions at once.
Not to mention the police firing at him will distract him from shooting children. Yes, the police have to be proficient enough with their firearms to not hit kids, but if they aren't they should be either getting more range time or find another line of work.
That seems rough, but any non-policeman who carries is well aware that in a situation, they are responsible for every round they fire, so the tendency is to learn your limitations, develop proficiency, and reduce the likelihood of hitting anyone but the perp. There is no badge to hide behind, and all the liability, civil and criminal, can come down on you if you screw up. Pistol requires practice. Rifles, not as much, and they should have been carrying rifles.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 27, 2022, 02:16:18 pm
4 hour(s) ago Pinned Off-duty CBP agent saves students, daughter after 'help' text from text from teacher wife
An off-duty US Customs and Border Patrol agent saved dozens of children trapped inside Robb Elementary Tuesday after his wife, a fourth-grade teacher at the school, texted him that there was an active shooter, according to a report."
Help," she wrote, "I love you." Jacob Albarado was getting a haircut at the time. He borrowed a shotgun from his barber, who came with him, and headed to where his wife and his second-grade daughter were hiding in the school.
His daughter, 8, was locked in a bathroom and his wife was underneath a desk with her students in their classroom.
While a CBP elite tactical team was planning to take out the shooter, Albarado coordinated with other officers to get as many children out as possible. He started in the area where his wife had said their daughter was hiding, rescuing other children and teachers along the way.
For more on this story: https://www.foxnews.com/us/uvalde-texas-shooting-cbp-agent-saves-uvalde-students-daughter Posted by Brie Stimson
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 27, 2022, 02:18:08 pm
54 min(s) ago United States Marshals Service describes their response to Uvalde school shooting
The United States Marshals Service has released a statement Friday describing their response to the Robb Elementary School shooting earlier this week.
"At 12:10pm, the first group of Deputy U.S. Marshals from Del Rio arrived from nearly 70 miles away to assist federal, state, and local law enforcement already on scene," it said.
The statement added that those Marshals then entered the school to assist a Border Patrol tactical response unit "and other law enforcement already engaging with the shooter.
"These Deputy U.S. Marshals also rendered emergency trauma first aid for multiple victims," the U.S. Marshals statement said.
It continued by saying that "additional Deputy U.S. Marshals were asked to expand and secure the official law enforcement perimeter around the school" and that "Deputy marshals never arrested or placed anyone in handcuffs while securing the crime scene perimeter."
"Our deputy marshals maintained order and peace in the midst of the grief-stricken community that was gathering around the school," the statement concluded. "Our hearts are heavy with sorrow and sadness at this horrific crime. We send our condolences to all the victims and families affected by this tragedy."
Posted by Greg Norman https://www.foxnews.com/live-news/uvalde-texas-school-shooting
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 27, 2022, 02:19:03 pm
2 hour(s) ago Uvalde survivor: ‘I think he was aiming at me,’ but chair stopped bullets
Samuel Salinas, another 10-year-old Robb Elementary School mass shooting survivor, says gunman Salvador Ramos shot his teacher and fellow classmates after declaring “you’re all going to die.”
“I think he was aiming at me... I guess like one of the chairs were there so it blocked it,” Salinas told ABC News.
He said at one point during the incident, a classmate went to turn off a phone that started ringing inside a desk. Posted by Greg Norman
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 27, 2022, 02:19:48 pm
2 hour(s) ago Uvalde survivor details verbal exchange between shooter, police
Gemma Lopez, a 10-year-old survivor of the Robb Elementary School shooting in Uvalde, Texas, says she heard gunman Salvador Ramos say “leave me alone please” to law enforcement who were responding to the massacre.
In an interview with ABC News, Lopez said she noticed something was wrong Tuesday when “the bullet came through the wall.”
She says she then “turned off the lights” in her classroom – something she learned during lockdown drills, which she has practiced since around kindergarten.
“I heard the officers yelling at the shooter...to put the firearm down,” Lopez added, “and then the shooter said ‘leave me alone please’ and then he started shooting.” Posted by Greg Norman
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 27, 2022, 02:20:27 pm
Ms. Gomez, a farm supervisor, said that she was one of numerous parents who began encouraging—first politely, and then with more urgency—police and other law enforcement to enter the school. After a few minutes, she said, federal marshals approached her and put her in handcuffs, telling her she was being arrested for intervening in an active investigation.
Why were federal marshals there, arresting people, and calling an active shooting an 'investigation' while not doing anything to rescue children?
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Cyber Liberty on May 27, 2022, 02:45:31 pm
Why were federal marshals there, arresting people, and calling an active shooting an 'investigation' while not doing anything to rescue children?
The Federal Marshals were not there to stop the shooter, they were there to arrest the Domestic Terrorists (parents) as ordered by Garland. They performed their job.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 27, 2022, 02:50:47 pm
Sara Spector @Miriam2626 As an ex prosecutor from Uvalde, I can say based on my past interactions with Uvalde PD, you will never know the truth about what went down in that school until every inch of video tape is released to the press. 8:38 PM · May 26, 2022 from Midland, TX
We'll also never know how many of those children bled to death during the 60 minutes LE stood down.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 27, 2022, 02:56:00 pm
BREAKING NEWS: Texas Rep. Tony Gonzales says Uvalde gunman was arrested FOUR YEARS ago after telling people he planned to 'shoot up a school once he's a senior in 2022'
Tony Gonzales said on Friday that Salvador Ramos was arrested four years ago when he was a juvenile He claimed the then 14-year-old told people: 'When I'm a senior in 2022, I am going to shoot up a school' Officials have not yet confirmed whether the teenager had a criminal record Gonzales said Ramos was arrested along with a friend Gonzales says Ramos spent time in a juvenile correctional facility Gov Greg Abbott said on Wednesday that he couldn't confirm whether the shooter had a juvenile record He legally purchased the two AR-15s he used in the attack last week after his 18th birthday
By Jennifer Smith, Chief Reporter For Dailymail.Com
Published: 09:14 EDT, 27 May 2022 | Updated: 10:18 EDT, 27 May 2022
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Post by: mystery-ak on May 27, 2022, 02:56:46 pm
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/05/27/13/58335437-10860747-Angeli_Gomez_above_jumped_the_school_fence_and_ran_inside_the_sc-a-12_1653652877142.jpg) Angeli Gomez (above) jumped the school fence and ran inside the school where she rescued her children herself
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Post by: mystery-ak on May 27, 2022, 02:58:22 pm
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/05/27/12/58358477-10860747-image-a-3_1653652605333.jpg) This is how the shooting played out over the course of nearly two hours from when Ramos killed his grandmother at home. He arrived at the school at 11.28am and the first 911 calls were made. He then walked unobstructed into the building with his AR-15 and headed towards the classroom. He fought off cops at 11.44am, then was left alone in the room with the victims until around 12.44pm - when SWAT arrived. The incident was declared over at 1.06pm
Texas cop says officers didn't rush to find gunman because 'they could have been shot' then claims they DELIBERATELY locked inside classroom to save other students: Experts slam 'disgusting' decision that doctors say sealed the fate of injured kids
Texas DPT Lt Chris Olivarez claimed said on Thursday night cops hung back after Salvador Ramos opened fire because they didn't want to get shot themselves He then appeared to suggest it was a tactical decision by the police to trap the gunman in the classroom where he slaughtered 19 kids and two teachers Cops previously said the gunman barricaded himself in the room and anonymous law enforcement sources said they couldn't get in without a key It left the gunman alone with the group of kids and teachers for an hour and meant some kids bled out from their injuries School resource officers and police experts say it was a 'disgusting' decision that should never have been made Doctors say the leading cause of death in gunshot wound victims is bleeding out which happens in 5 minutes At least two of the 19 kids who died on Tuesday died on their way to the hospital for treatment an hour after being shot
By Jennifer Smith, Chief Reporter For Dailymail.Com
Published: 08:03 EDT, 27 May 2022 | Updated: 09:41 EDT, 27 May 2022
more https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10860747/Texas-cop-says-Uvalde-officers-retreated-gunman-shot.html#comments
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Post by: mystery-ak on May 27, 2022, 03:07:17 pm
Fox reporting that there will be significant new details released at upcoming press conference..
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Post by: mystery-ak on May 27, 2022, 03:15:35 pm
He does have a father....
Texas shooter’s father says son ‘should’ve just killed me instead’ By Patrick Reilly May 26, 2022 10:47pm
The father of the Texas gunman who massacred 19 children and two teachers at Robb Elementary School on Tuesday apologized for his 18-year-old son and said the teen should have killed him instead.
The gunman’s 42-year-old father, Salvador Ramos, opened up about his son, also Salvador, in a Thursday interview with the Daily Beast.
The elder Ramos said he is “sorry [for] what my son did.”
“I never expected my son to do something like that,” the father said. “He should’ve just killed me, you know, instead of doing something like that to someone.”
The younger Ramos shot his 66-year-old grandmother in the face before he stormed into the Uvalde school “unobstructed” and shot dead 21 people inside a fourth-grade classroom in one of the deadliest mass shootings in Texas history.
The gunman was killed at the scene by law enforcement officers.
The father told the Daily Beast he had not been in his son’s life much of late due to his job away from Uvalde.
more https://nypost.com/2022/05/26/salvador-ramos-father-he-shouldve-just-killed-me-instead/
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Post by: Kamaji on May 27, 2022, 03:16:18 pm
BREAKING NEWS: Texas Rep. Tony Gonzales says Uvalde gunman was arrested FOUR YEARS ago after telling people he planned to 'shoot up a school once he's a senior in 2022'
Tony Gonzales said on Friday that Salvador Ramos was arrested four years ago when he was a juvenile He claimed the then 14-year-old told people: 'When I'm a senior in 2022, I am going to shoot up a school' Officials have not yet confirmed whether the teenager had a criminal record Gonzales said Ramos was arrested along with a friend Gonzales says Ramos spent time in a juvenile correctional facility Gov Greg Abbott said on Wednesday that he couldn't confirm whether the shooter had a juvenile record He legally purchased the two AR-15s he used in the attack last week after his 18th birthday
By Jennifer Smith, Chief Reporter For Dailymail.Com
Published: 09:14 EDT, 27 May 2022 | Updated: 10:18 EDT, 27 May 2022
If true, then he should have been red-flagged. If Texas law doesn't provide for red-flagging, or doesn't provide for it in this sort of case, then Texas law should be changed.
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 27, 2022, 03:22:59 pm
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 27, 2022, 03:25:43 pm
It was years and years ago that a PD argued in court that wasn't their job and I think a judge agreed. This isn't the first time this happened in a school shooting but I sure hope it's the last. I'm not sure how these officers are going live with themselves and their future being labeled and called cowards.
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Post by: Hoodat on May 27, 2022, 03:43:09 pm
Disagree. Beto wrecked any chances he had against Abbott with that stunt. It exposed him for what he is. A political grifter willing to stand on the bodies of dead children to try and score political points.
He gave Abbot's campaign a goldmine of video to use in ads against Robert Francis.
If Beto had waited a day and changed his attack, he could have come out looking a lot stronger. But instead, he showed everyone that he doesn't have what it takes to be governor.
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Post by: GtHawk on May 27, 2022, 03:45:27 pm
If true, then he should have been red-flagged. If Texas law doesn't provide for red-flagging, or doesn't provide for it in this sort of case, then Texas law should be changed.
Would he have been though? What is the law on minors and juvenile records, aren't they sealed unless charged as an adult? If that's the case then I agree with you,there is one more thing that needs to be looked at changing so that at least they can't legally buy a gun when they are older.
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Post by: mountaineer on May 27, 2022, 03:46:37 pm
If Beto had waited a day and changed his attack, he could have come out looking a lot stronger. But instead, he showed everyone that he doesn't have what it takes to be governor.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 27, 2022, 03:46:42 pm
4 hour(s) ago Pinned Off-duty CBP agent saves students, daughter after 'help' text from text from teacher wife
An off-duty US Customs and Border Patrol agent saved dozens of children trapped inside Robb Elementary Tuesday after his wife, a fourth-grade teacher at the school, texted him that there was an active shooter, according to a report."
Help," she wrote, "I love you." Jacob Albarado was getting a haircut at the time. He borrowed a shotgun from his barber, who came with him, and headed to where his wife and his second-grade daughter were hiding in the school.
His daughter, 8, was locked in a bathroom and his wife was underneath a desk with her students in their classroom.
While a CBP elite tactical team was planning to take out the shooter, Albarado coordinated with other officers to get as many children out as possible. He started in the area where his wife had said their daughter was hiding, rescuing other children and teachers along the way.
For more on this story: https://www.foxnews.com/us/uvalde-texas-shooting-cbp-agent-saves-uvalde-students-daughter Posted by Brie Stimson
This is the guy who got a text from his wife asking for help while he was getting a haircut, stood up, borrowed the owner's rifle, organized a posse and stormed the school ---- rescuing, among others, his wife and daughter.
Toxic masculinity at its finest.
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Post by: Kamaji on May 27, 2022, 03:46:48 pm
Would he have been though? What is the law on minors and juvenile records, aren't they sealed unless charged as an adult? If that's the case then there is one more thing that needs to be looked at changing so that at least they can't legally buy a gun when they are older.
Then that is something that needs to be changed. If a minor makes threats, then that should be red-flagged, and should continue on their adult record until and unless they can convince a court to expunge the red-flag.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Hoodat on May 27, 2022, 03:48:57 pm
Just my personal opinion about the cops not going in: If I were one of those cops, I would have gone in, the risk of death notwithstanding, because those were children in there, and my life as an adult is not worth more than the lives of those children. Simple as that.
Yep.
Blessed are the peacemakers, For they shall be called sons of God.
Matthew 5:9
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 27, 2022, 03:50:49 pm
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/05/27/13/58335437-10860747-Angeli_Gomez_above_jumped_the_school_fence_and_ran_inside_the_sc-a-12_1653652877142.jpg) Angeli Gomez (above) jumped the school fence and ran inside the school where she rescued her children herself
She did this after she had been handcuffed by LE.
A true mama bear. happy77
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Post by: Hoodat on May 27, 2022, 03:54:55 pm
Gov Greg Abbott said on Wednesday that he couldn't confirm whether the shooter had a juvenile record He legally purchased the two AR-15s he used in the attack last week after his 18th birthday
It wouldn't matter if he did. Typically, juvenile records are expunged when a person turns 18.
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Post by: mystery-ak on May 27, 2022, 03:56:08 pm
Fox
SOON: Investigators expected to clarify Uvalde school shooting timeline at press conference
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Post by: mystery-ak on May 27, 2022, 04:02:32 pm
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Post by: mystery-ak on May 27, 2022, 04:02:51 pm
Presser starting now
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 27, 2022, 04:04:08 pm
Dana Loesch @DLoesch · 15h
The murderer “cut up his face with knives for fun,” drove around shooting random people with his bb gun, tried to fight people in the park. Cops visited routinely. He harassed the women he worked with. People said his aggressiveness kept escalating. https://nypost.com/2022/05/25/details-emerge-on-texas-school-shooter-salvador-ramos-behavior/
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Post by: mystery-ak on May 27, 2022, 04:04:13 pm
exterior door propped upon by a teacher....oh my
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 27, 2022, 04:05:04 pm
Washington Examiner @dcexaminer · 15h
The White House refused to call for an investigation into the police response to the school shooting in Uvalde, Texas, saying President @JoeBiden “has the utmost respect for the men and women of law enforcement.”
https://washex.am/3ar8A91
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Post by: mystery-ak on May 27, 2022, 04:05:29 pm
Lady Pie @LadyPieLives · 14h The FBI is going to investigate the response time of the police at the school shooting. Who feels confident that truth will be reported?
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Post by: mystery-ak on May 27, 2022, 04:06:00 pm
Julio Rosas @Julio_Rosas11 · 14s TX DPS Director McGraw: Before the shooter crashed his vehicle, a teacher propped open the door he would later use to enter the school.
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Post by: mystery-ak on May 27, 2022, 04:07:34 pm
shot more than 100 rounds
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 27, 2022, 04:08:12 pm
RSBN 🇺🇸 @RSBNetwork ·1h
RSBN goes LIVE today from the NRA convention at 12:30pm ET. President Trump takes the stage at 5:30 ET.
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Post by: mystery-ak on May 27, 2022, 04:09:55 pm
Officer speaking fast..I will post when he is finished...now he is crying
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Post by: mystery-ak on May 27, 2022, 04:10:36 pm
Guy Benson @guypbenson · 3m New press conference in Uvalde. Much more detailed timeline. Confirmed: No armed officer confronted the shooter at the school when the attack began.
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Post by: mystery-ak on May 27, 2022, 04:11:51 pm
TheLeoTerrell @TheLeoTerrell · 56s The police spokesperson emotional while reading 911 call.
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Post by: Kamaji on May 27, 2022, 04:12:41 pm
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Post by: mystery-ak on May 27, 2022, 04:12:56 pm
15 magazines inside school more outside
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Post by: mystery-ak on May 27, 2022, 04:14:43 pm
Bill Melugin @BillFOXLA · 7m BREAKING: Texas DPS announces that a teacher at Robb Elementary School propped a door open at the school before the mass shooting. The school resource officer drove to campus after hearing 911 call, inadvertently drove right by the shooter, who was kneeling down by car. @FoxNews
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Post by: mystery-ak on May 27, 2022, 04:15:04 pm
Bill Melugin @BillFOXLA · 5m Texas DPS says the shooter fired over 100 rounds in the classroom and was inside the class & firing for two minutes straight before a team of local police officers made entry to the school and were fired upon by the shooter, then they pulled back & covered the door. @FoxNews
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 27, 2022, 04:15:24 pm
Officer speaking fast..I will post when he is finished...now he is crying
This is very difficult to follow ....
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Post by: DefiantMassRINO on May 27, 2022, 04:16:00 pm
The after-action report will be heart wrenching.
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Post by: Smokin Joe on May 27, 2022, 04:16:25 pm
Would he have been though? What is the law on minors and juvenile records, aren't they sealed unless charged as an adult? If that's the case then I agree with you,there is one more thing that needs to be looked at changing so that at least they can't legally buy a gun when they are older.
Just the knowledge hat misbehaving as a juvy might cost rights as an adult might slow down some of the brewing behaviour patterns that lead to this sort of stuff.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 27, 2022, 04:18:53 pm
It wouldn't matter if he did. Typically, juvenile records are expunged when a person turns 18.
That may prove to be a mistake, as policy goes. Sure, some will see the light and change course, but those who show a pattern of escalating behaviour will only continue as an adult, only with a head start on their criminal careers. It only seems to be a surprise because the behaviour leading up to that grandstand act was concealed from view.
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Post by: rebewranger on May 27, 2022, 04:21:37 pm
Incredible Photo Reportedly Shows Head Wound Suffered By Heroic Border Patrol Agent Who Killed Texas School Shooter
DAVID HOOKSTEAD SPORTS AND ENTERTAINMENT EDITOR May 27, 2022 9:22 AM ET
Photos have surfaced reportedly showing the Border Patrol agent responsible for stopping the school massacre in Texas.
A Border Patrol agent part of the elite BORTAC unit rushed into Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, and killed the sick monster slaughtering innocent children and teachers.
Now, a photo showing a head wound suffered by the unnamed agent has surfaced. You can see photos of the heroic Border Patrol agent and his head wound in the photos below.
That may prove to be a mistake, as policy goes. Sure, some will see the light and change course, but those who show a pattern of escalating behaviour will only continue as an adult, only with a head start on their criminal careers. It only seems to be a surprise because the behaviour leading up to that grandstand act was concealed from view.
Exactly.
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Post by: mystery-ak on May 27, 2022, 04:24:45 pm
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 27, 2022, 04:24:57 pm
Not denying the 40min gap of going in the school...said he wasn't there
The officers requested more men and equipment..there was 19 men in there
Said it was a wrong decision in hindsight....this is just terrible
I was surprised by how emphatically he said, twice, "this was the wrong decision".
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Post by: mystery-ak on May 27, 2022, 04:25:08 pm
TheLeoTerrell @TheLeoTerrell · 32s Expect a ton of civil lawsuits.
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Post by: mystery-ak on May 27, 2022, 04:26:00 pm
TheLeoTerrell @TheLeoTerrell · 40s I want to know the first and last name of the commander who refused to enter the classroom.
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Post by: mystery-ak on May 27, 2022, 04:26:15 pm
Bill Melugin @BillFOXLA · 1m NEW: Texas DPS director criticizes local police decision to not breach classroom at Robb Elementary school in Uvalde during the mass shooting.
“There was no excuse for that, it was the wrong decision,” he says.
Said on scene commander decided to treat as a barricade. @FoxNews
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Post by: mystery-ak on May 27, 2022, 04:27:34 pm
Julio Rosas @Julio_Rosas11 · 15m DPS confirms members of Border Patrol's BORTAC team arrived at the scene at 12:15 pm after the shooter entered the school at 11:33 am.
Julio Rosas @Julio_Rosas11 · 38s DPS Director McGraw says it was a mistake for the on-scene commander to determine the shooter was a "barricaded subject" instead of an active shooter. Believing he was a "barricaded subject" gave police the false impression they had time.
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Post by: DefiantMassRINO on May 27, 2022, 04:27:59 pm
This press conference is a live-on-air disaster and travesty.
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Post by: mystery-ak on May 27, 2022, 04:28:09 pm
Abby D. Phillip @abbydphillip · 6m Unreal: This official just said that a decision was made to not break into the classroom because the officers on site believed there was no longer an active shooting situation, even though children were calling 911 at the time pleading for officers to come and save them. My God.
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Post by: Fishrrman on May 27, 2022, 04:29:08 pm
Texas Police Lieutenant Says Cops Were Reluctant to Engage Gunman Because ‘They Could’ve Been Shot’[/i]
A Texas Department of Public Safety official said responding officers were cautious as they entered Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas because “they could’ve been shot.”
Nineteen children and two teachers were murdered after authorities say an 18-year-old male entered with a rifle 12 minutes after he crashed a car near campus.
The New York Times reported the shooter was inside the school for about an hour before officers finally breached the classroom he was in and shot and killed him.
Reporters demanded answers during a contentious press conference Thursday afternoon. State law enforcement officials addressed the public a day after some parents with children in the school said they were prevented from going in by officers.
One girl inside the room reportedly bled for an hour after she was shot. She died at a hospital. It is unknown if that hour might have saved her life.
On Thursday’s The Situation Room with Wolf Blitzer, the host discussed the Tuesday’s horrifying events with DPS Lt. Chris Olivarez.
Blitzer asked his guest if officers at the scene made the correct choice to wait for backup before they went after the gunman.
Olivarez said officers were inside the school quickly, and they heard gunfire when they arrived. They called for reinforcements, he said. The officers in the building waited for a special tactical team to show up as they isolated the shooter to one classroom.
“Don’t current best practices, don’t they call for officers to disable a shooter as quickly as possible, regardless of how many officers are actually on site?” Blitzer asked him.
Olivarez said the officers who arrived at the school quickly might have been shot had they attempted to take out the gunman alone. He said,
The active shooter situation, you want to stop the killing, you want to preserve life, but also one thing that – of course, the American people need to understand — that officers are making entry into this building. They do not know where the gunman is. They are hearing gunshots.They are receiving gunshots. At that point, if they proceeded any further not knowing where the suspect was at, they could’ve been shot, they could’ve been killed, and that gunman would have had an opportunity to kill other people inside that school.
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 27, 2022, 04:29:11 pm
He went there .... admitted you breach the door if there are kids in there who may be injured and in need of help.
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Post by: mystery-ak on May 27, 2022, 04:29:59 pm
TheLeoTerrell @TheLeoTerrell · 1m Release the 911 audio tapes immediately. On this particular case we cannot trust the police
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Post by: mystery-ak on May 27, 2022, 04:30:33 pm
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Post by: Smokin Joe on May 27, 2022, 04:31:22 pm
Sometimes a little bit makes a big difference... I pray he heals well and soon.
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Post by: DefiantMassRINO on May 27, 2022, 04:31:29 pm
They didn't breach because they didn't believe anyone was left living? This is heart-breaking and infuriating.
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 27, 2022, 04:31:55 pm
"If I thought it would help, I would apologize" ---Steve McCraw. TX DPS
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Post by: mystery-ak on May 27, 2022, 04:32:30 pm
Bill Melugin @BillFOXLA · 7m NEW: Texas DPS director criticizes local police decision to not breach classroom at Robb Elementary school in Uvalde during the mass shooting.
“There was no excuse for that, it was the wrong decision,” he says.
Said on scene commander decided to treat as a barricade. @FoxNews
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Post by: mystery-ak on May 27, 2022, 04:33:09 pm
TheLeoTerrell @TheLeoTerrell · 11s Every police officer who failed to enter the classroom should be immediately suspended
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Post by: mystery-ak on May 27, 2022, 04:33:38 pm
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Post by: mystery-ak on May 27, 2022, 04:33:59 pm
TheLeoTerrell @TheLeoTerrell · 46s Press spokesperson now showing crocodile tears.
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Post by: mystery-ak on May 27, 2022, 04:34:23 pm
Saagar Enjeti @esaagar · 41s Unfortunately this press conference makes it official: Uvalde Police held up Border Patrol from taking down Ramos while he continued to kill kids despite 911 calls from the kids to help them. A colossal failure that is only being acknowledged now by Texas DPS
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 27, 2022, 04:34:35 pm
Looks like McCraw's bearing the full weight of this mistake on his shoulders.
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Post by: mystery-ak on May 27, 2022, 04:34:46 pm
Johnathan Ford 🕊 @FordJohnathan5 · 54s Texas Law Enforcement miss handled the mass shooting in Uvalde so bad that they are now blaming the teachers. Not the fact they delayed stopping the murdered because of their own safety concerns. Instead of protecting children.
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Post by: Fishrrman on May 27, 2022, 04:34:48 pm
RINO observes: "This press conference is a live-on-air disaster and travesty."
This catastrophe isn't going to help Republicans this year in Texas. It could turn the state blue with voter disgust at the current majority party.
All those law officers with the white hats I keep seein' on this thread. Take 'em off. They don't mean anything any more.
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Post by: mystery-ak on May 27, 2022, 04:35:27 pm
Guy Benson @guypbenson · 5m Confirmed: Door was FINALLY breached at 12:50pm. Shooter entered school around 11:30am. Commander on scene thought there was no longer a risk to children during that long gap, though active 911 calls seemed to be contradicting that catastrophically wrong judgment.
Guy Benson @guypbenson · 23m Briefer says there were as many as 19 officers in the hallway.
The officer just said the suspect was killed at 11:50, but I think he meant 12:50?
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 27, 2022, 04:36:00 pm
TheLeoTerrell @TheLeoTerrell · 46s Press spokesperson now showing crocodile tears.
I'm not sure the tears are crocodile.....yet.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Fishrrman on May 27, 2022, 04:36:05 pm
"If I thought it would help, I would apologize" ---Steve McCraw. TX DPS
No. Do the right thing instead. RESIGN.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 27, 2022, 04:36:06 pm
TheLeoTerrell @TheLeoTerrell · 21s We cannot trust the Texas Police Department to tell us the truth. We need an independent investigation.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: DefiantMassRINO on May 27, 2022, 04:36:49 pm
After Columbine, you breach immediately with whatever and whomever you have on scene.
The coroner reports will be horrific if it is determined that victim(s) didn't die immediately, and could have been saved if they could have been reached sooner.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 27, 2022, 04:37:53 pm
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 27, 2022, 04:38:43 pm
Tony Plohetski @tplohetski · 17m BREAKING: The director of DPS confirms that no efforts were made to rescue children because an on-scene commander believed that authorities were addressing a barricaded suspect, not an active shooter. "A decision was made...that there was time...to wait for a tactical team."
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: DefiantMassRINO on May 27, 2022, 04:39:05 pm
The scene commander was the school police chief? This is sick.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 27, 2022, 04:39:23 pm
Real Mac Report @RealMacReport · 34m 🚨Breaking: Border Patrol agents arrived far earlier than disclosed, but the Uvalde police initially kept them from entering the school, two officials said.
(Source: NYT)
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 27, 2022, 04:40:10 pm
Saagar Enjeti @esaagar · 13s Steve McCraw confirms that it was the chief of police of Uvalde ISD who was the incident commander on site who made the call to hold off border patrol despite the fact that no police officer was "seriously injured" during the entire confrontation
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 27, 2022, 04:40:28 pm
Tony Plohetski @tplohetski
BREAKING: The director of DPS confirms that no efforts were made to rescue children because an on-scene commander believed that authorities were addressing a barricaded suspect, not an active shooter. “A decision was made...that there was time...to wait for a tactical team.”
Director McCraw: “With the benefit of hindsight, it was the wrong decision.”
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 27, 2022, 04:40:31 pm
Andrew Pollack @AndrewPollackFL · 1m Liberal talking point: “single-point entry is a fire hazard!”
Multiple doors that only open from the inside is the answer.
You will never stop all mass shootings, this is a way to prevent some.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 27, 2022, 04:41:19 pm
Chris Woodward @ReporterChrisW · 4m Which person or people do I need to call to get some of these Texas reporters moved into a White House press briefing?
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Hoodat on May 27, 2022, 04:42:35 pm
Unfortunately this press conference makes it official: Uvalde Police held up Border Patrol from taking down Ramos while he continued to kill kids despite 911 calls from the kids to help them. A colossal failure that is only being acknowledged now by Texas DPS
Don't forget that US marshals arrived at the scene five minutes before the Border Patrol. So they played a role as well. I seriously doubt that Uvalde Police on their own were able to hold up both US Marshals and the Border Patrol.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 27, 2022, 04:42:43 pm
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: DefiantMassRINO on May 27, 2022, 04:42:45 pm
This press conference might cost Governor Abbott re-election because the DPS spokesman is doing a terrible job.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 27, 2022, 04:43:21 pm
TheLeoTerrell @TheLeoTerrell · 1m The “active shooting doctrine” was not followed by the Texas Police Department
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 27, 2022, 04:44:12 pm
After Columbine, you breach immediately with whatever and whomever you have on scene.
The coroner reports will be horrific if it is determined that victim(s) didn't die immediately, and could have been saved if they could have been reached sooner.
Exactly.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 27, 2022, 04:44:43 pm
TheLeoTerrell @TheLeoTerrell · 18s Given the shenanigans of the FBI and how they tried to take down President Trump, I don’t trust the FBI to conduct a proper investigation.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 27, 2022, 04:45:19 pm
Josh Hammer @josh_hammer · 1m I’m calling for a complete and total pause on making pusillanimous eunuchs police officers until we can figure out what the hell is going on.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 27, 2022, 04:45:45 pm
Andrew Pollack @AndrewPollackFL · 1m Liberal talking point: “single-point entry is a fire hazard!”
Multiple doors that only open from the inside is the answer.
You will never stop all mass shootings, this is a way to prevent some.
Bingo! Single-point-of-entry, with multiple points-of-egress (i.e., locked against outside access, but freely openable - provided an alarm sounds - from inside).
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 27, 2022, 04:46:22 pm
TheLeoTerrell @TheLeoTerrell · 22s President Biden plans to appear in Texas on Sunday. He failed to appear in Wisconsin when a black supremacist killed White Americans!
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 27, 2022, 04:47:34 pm
David Begnaud @DavidBegnaud · 1m 🚨 BREAKING: “Nearly 20 officers were in a hallway outside of the classrooms at a Texas elementary school for more than 45 minutes before agents used a master key to open a door and confront a gunman, authorities said Friday.”
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 27, 2022, 04:48:23 pm
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 27, 2022, 04:49:05 pm
I don't know how the parents about to bury their chldren can bear this .....
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Kamaji on May 27, 2022, 04:50:02 pm
That only makes sense if one assumes that all hostages are already dead. If that assumption cannot be supported - and the continuing 911 calls from the class room would have negated it - then it is imperative to get in and attempt to save the injured.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 27, 2022, 04:50:11 pm
BREAKING: The director of DPS confirms that no efforts were made to rescue children because an on-scene commander believed that authorities were addressing a barricaded suspect, not an active shooter.
Even if this was the case, they still had a responsibility to evacuate every other classroom. Yet they did not.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 27, 2022, 04:52:40 pm
Shelby Talcott @ShelbyTalcott · 1m How many kids could have been saved had law enforcement immediately breached that classroom door? Tough press conference to watch.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 27, 2022, 04:53:06 pm
Elizabeth Crisp @elizabethcrisp · 3m 19 officers waited in the hallway before getting into the classroom. There were 911 calls from CHILDREN inside the classroom while those officers waited for 40 minutes. Texas DPS director: “It was the wrong decision.”
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 27, 2022, 04:53:29 pm
The Columbia Bugle 🇺🇸 @ColumbiaBugle · 4m Another day, another damning Ulvade press conference. And no resignations, yet.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 27, 2022, 04:53:50 pm
annmarie hordern @annmarie · 4m Shooter purchased 1,657 rounds of ammunition. Had 58 magazines at school. Fired more than 100 rounds during the attack.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 27, 2022, 04:55:42 pm
TheLeoTerrell @TheLeoTerrell · 1m Who can we trust to conduct an objective investigation into the shooting? Personally I don’t trust the government.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 27, 2022, 04:56:14 pm
Carmine Sabia @CarmineSabia · 1m Police officer close to me just spoke to me. He said the Uvalde police responded out of fear. They are cowards. First car on the scene goes in. But he also said this... Get used to it. After being demonized for years no one good wants to do the job anymore.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 27, 2022, 04:56:33 pm
Bill Weir @BillWeirCNN · 10m For perspective, that 40 minute presser was shorter than the time those kids were in that room with the shooter.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 27, 2022, 04:56:53 pm
TheLeoTerrell @TheLeoTerrell · 3m Undisputed facts. 19 officers did not enter the classroom. 911 calls were being made while officers were outside the classroom. Shameful!
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 27, 2022, 04:57:13 pm
Ken Dilanian @KenDilanianNBC · 44m It wasn’t just parents begging the police to go in. The children were calling 9-1-1 and pleading, as well. For a long time.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 27, 2022, 04:58:06 pm
But he also said this... Get used to it. After being demonized for years no one good wants to do the job anymore.
Sad, but true. And this applies to every profession. Morale is suffering everywhere. Anything above mediocrity is being punished.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Cyber Liberty on May 27, 2022, 05:01:30 pm
This press conference might cost Governor Abbott re-election because the DPS spokesman is doing a terrible job.
Slow down, and consider who his opponent is.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 27, 2022, 05:01:43 pm
I know many won't agree with me but...
The shooter in less than a week bought 2 AKs purchased 1,657 rounds of ammunition.
Why didn't the owner of the gun store call the police and say...*hey an 18yo guy just bought all this stuff, should you check him out?*
What is wrong with that?
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 27, 2022, 05:03:10 pm
NancyK @dansherry127 · 5m A barricaded subject?
Show us where in your training this situation with a teacher calling 911 from the other side of the door, with some kids already shot dead, is defined as barricaded subject instead of active shooter?
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 27, 2022, 05:03:43 pm
Clay Travis @ClayTravis · 6m The gunman was also able to enter what would have otherwise been a locked door to the school because a teacher propped open the door. Why exactly hasn’t been explained. This is just a series of disastrous decisions.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 27, 2022, 05:04:52 pm
The shooter in less than a week bought 2 AKs purchased 1,657 rounds of ammunition.
1,657 is a prime number. Do they sell single lots of 1,657 rounds?
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: DefiantMassRINO on May 27, 2022, 05:05:46 pm
As lame as Beto O'Rourke is, dead children's blood on the hands of incompetent government officials is difficult to spin away from.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: DB on May 27, 2022, 05:07:47 pm
The shooter in less than a week bought 2 AKs purchased 1,657 rounds of ammunition.
Why didn't the owner of the gun store call the police and say...*hey an 18yo guy just bought all this stuff, should you check him out?*
What is wrong with that?
I suspect that you have to be 18 to buy that stuff. So there are probably a lot of 18 year olds who go and buy a lot of this type stuff when they legally can. Just like the typical just turned 21 year old goes to a bar and drinks a lot.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 27, 2022, 05:11:36 pm
Marina Medvin 🇺🇸 @MarinaMedvin · 8m The cops even lied about being shot, they just admitted that the officers were driven back by gunfire from Ramos and took cover.
They lied about everything, absolutely everything.
Greatest failure and attempted coverup in police response to a mass casualty event in US history.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 27, 2022, 05:16:15 pm
As lame as Beto O'Rourke is, dead children's blood on the hands of incompetent government officials is difficult to spin away from.
How Abbott handles "mistakes were made" will determine his political fate.
Republicans don't need to vote for Beto for Abbott to lose. Enough just need a good enough reason not to show up.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 27, 2022, 05:19:13 pm
AWR Hawkins 27 May 2022
Jacob Albarado, the off-duty Border Patrol agent who rushed into Robb Elementary School during Tuesday’s attack to save his daughter, says teachers should be trained and armed for classroom defense.
Breitbart News reported that Albarado borrowed a shotgun from a local barber where he was about to get a haircut when he learned of the attack and charged into the school to save his daughter.
He found her alive and helped her and numerous other children get out of the building.
The school did not have an armed guard on duty when the attack occurred, and the gunman entered through an unlocked door.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Hoodat on May 27, 2022, 05:26:58 pm
Parkland dad says focus on ‘just gun control’ is reason for TX school shooting: ‘They didn’t learn anything’
Melissa Fine | May 27, 2022
The father of a teenager who died in the 2018 Parkland, Florida, school shooting says state governments haven’t learned “anything” from previous mass shootings and insists focusing “on just gun control” is to blame for the most recent massacre at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas.
“Evidently they didn’t learn anything,” Andrew Pollack told Fox News Digital.
Citing a 2018 shooting at a school in Santa Fe, Texas, that resulted in 10 deaths, Pollack emphasized his point.
“They didn’t learn anything from what happened in Texas at that school shooting, they didn’t learn anything from what happened in Parkland at that shooting, they didn’t learn anything from what happened at Sandy Hook,” Pollack said. “When you focus on just gun control, this is what happens. It’s happened again.” . .
Parkland dad says focus on ‘just gun control’ is reason for TX school shooting: ‘They didn’t learn anything’
Melissa Fine | May 27, 2022
The father of a teenager who died in the 2018 Parkland, Florida, school shooting says state governments haven’t learned “anything” from previous mass shootings and insists focusing “on just gun control” is to blame for the most recent massacre at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas.
“Evidently they didn’t learn anything,” Andrew Pollack told Fox News Digital.
Citing a 2018 shooting at a school in Santa Fe, Texas, that resulted in 10 deaths, Pollack emphasized his point.
“They didn’t learn anything from what happened in Texas at that school shooting, they didn’t learn anything from what happened in Parkland at that shooting, they didn’t learn anything from what happened at Sandy Hook,” Pollack said. “When you focus on just gun control, this is what happens. It’s happened again.” . .
Shooter purchased 1,657 rounds of ammunition. Had 58 magazines at school.
Again, I say: where the hell did he get the money to purchase two AR-15s, all these magazines and all that ammo? I read somewhere it was $5,000 worth. Pretty good for a guy who briefly worked at Wendy's and was fired.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: catfish1957 on May 27, 2022, 05:54:47 pm
Again, I say: where the hell did he get the money to purchase two AR-15s, all these magazines and all that ammo?
Stimulus check.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 27, 2022, 05:58:12 pm
EXCLUSIVE: Uvalde Police Officers Receiving Death Threats After Texas School Shooting
Multiple law enforcement sources from separate agencies tell Breitbart Texas that Uvalde-area police officers are receiving death threats following the Robb Elementary School shooting that left 21 people dead.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Fishrrman on May 27, 2022, 06:22:52 pm
Hmmm..... Lemmmeeeesssseeee here....
There were sumthin' like 19 -- count 'em, NINETEEN -- officers standing outside the classroom door, and they didn't go in because the door was locked, or some sorry-ass excuse like that? And no key...?
Whatever happened to shooting off the lock?
Probably twice as many officers, considerin' those standin' around outside, too. More than at the local donut shop.
But I'll betcha one thing: I reckon every one of those officers is a-lawyerin' up, right now...!
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 27, 2022, 06:31:45 pm
Heroic officer rushed into Uvalde school with barber’s shotgun to save daughter, wife By Patrick Reilly
(https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/05/hero-uvalde-police-233.jpg?quality=75&strip=all&w=462) Off-duty US CBP agent Jacob Albarado rushed into Robb Elementary School to help evacuate students.Tricia P Albarado/Facebook
An off-duty US Customs and Border Protection agent fearlessly rushed into Robb Elementary School with his barber’s shotgun and rescued dozens of children and his daughter after his wife texted him that there was an active shooter.
Jacob Albarado had just sat down for a haircut when he received the horrifying message from his wife, Trisha, a fourth-grade teacher at the Uvalde, Texas, elementary school, he told the New York Times.
“There’s an active shooter,” she wrote. “Help,” she sent before sending a chilling: “I love you.”
He immediately leaped out of his seat, grabbed the barber’s shotgun and sped off toward the school.
His daughter, a second-grader, was locked inside a bathroom while his wife hid under desks with her students, the Times reported.
more https://nypost.com/2022/05/27/cbp-officer-jacob-albarado-runs-into-uvalde-school-with-barbers-shotgun-to-save-daughter/
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 27, 2022, 07:09:11 pm
Bingo! Single-point-of-entry, with multiple points-of-egress (i.e., locked against outside access, but freely openable - provided an alarm sounds - from inside).
Wire those doors into a panel that will indicate which door(s) are/have been opened (like the board on old submarines that indicated hatch status). Someone in the office could immediately see where in the building a breach had occurred.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Kamaji on May 27, 2022, 07:13:27 pm
Wire those doors into a panel that will indicate which door(s) are/have been opened (like the board on old submarines that indicated hatch status). Someone in the office could immediately see where in the building a breach had occurred.
:thumbsup:
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 27, 2022, 07:14:57 pm
Again, I say: where the hell did he get the money to purchase two AR-15s, all these magazines and all that ammo? I read somewhere it was $5,000 worth. Pretty good for a guy who briefly worked at Wendy's and was fired.
I wonder the same thing.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 27, 2022, 07:16:58 pm
Wire those doors into a panel that will indicate which door(s) are/have been opened (like the board on old submarines that indicated hatch status). Someone in the office could immediately see where in the building a breach had occurred.
I thought there were alarms on those doors if left open?
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 27, 2022, 07:20:37 pm
While we are on the submarine thing, periscopes ($20) (https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/shopping?q=tbn:ANd9GcQWlyXI2OlLly3ibH21JeGHeoY4zO8VfkdFo5F5vHExFCVav9OzKO3hZRCdtgpIoDK_-BLX6UyFk2I&usqp=CAc)
would allow someone to look into any window without exposing themselves to gunfire, and even to assess the situation surreptitiously. Intel about what part of the room, the shooter, how they are armed, even which way they are facing could be valuable to a tactical team ready to breach. Why don't police have some sort of imaging device they can use to see inside--even a cell phone held up over the windowsill recording video could give information as to what is happening in the room. without necessarily being seen.
Also, if there are outside windows, why did no one attempt a shot to take out the shooter through the glass (yes, there may be some deflection, but the closer to the window, the less the effect of that on accuracy relative to the target).
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 27, 2022, 07:21:40 pm
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Idiot on May 27, 2022, 07:39:06 pm
Think of this town of Uvalde as a little larger version of Mayberry. The police were not equipped or trained for such an event. I'm sure they panicked and had no idea what to do. Not defending them in the least. I like to think if I were in their shoes that I'd have stormed the building to save as many lives as possible. One never knows how you'd react until that horrible time comes.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: DefiantMassRINO on May 27, 2022, 07:39:22 pm
Interviewed parents on MSNBC claim that the local police went into the school to save their own kids, but left everyone else's kids inside the school.
At this point, this is uncorroborated hearsay, but, if this is proven true ...
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Hoodat on May 27, 2022, 07:55:49 pm
Think of this town of Uvalde as a little larger version of Mayberry. The police were not equipped or trained for such an event. I'm sure they panicked and had no idea what to do.
Even Barney Fife would have gone in to save those kids.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: DCPatriot on May 27, 2022, 07:56:59 pm
He was living with the grandparents. She threatened to turn off his cell service for not graduating with the rest of his class.
I know a regiment of grannies in their 60's (Realtors) who earn healthy six-figure annual incomes. It wouldn't be unusual for her to 'SPOIL' this kid...it was her $74K (reported) truck too....since he didn't have a valid driver's license.
So, there's no mystery to me either on where he may have gotten the necessary $6K to outfit his arsenal. 'Graduation' gifts..birthday gifts...
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 27, 2022, 07:59:06 pm
May 27, 2022 3:28pm EDT Texas school shooting suspect said 'goodnight,' played 'sad' music before firing, 11-year-old says The Uvalde, Texas shooting survivor said the gunman looked her teacher in the eye, said 'goodnight,' and shot her By Audrey Conklin | Fox News
Robb Elementary shooting survivor Miah Cerrillo, 11, told a reporter that the Uvalde, Texas, gunman suspected of killing 21 people, including 19 children, said "goodnight" and played "sad" music before opening fire on 10 and 11-year-olds.
Miah and her classmates were watching "Lilo & Stitch" on Tuesday during their last week of school when her teachers, deceased Eva Mireles and Irma Garcia, received an email alerting teachers that a shooter was in the building, the 11-year-old said during an interview. Miah only agreed to the interview on the condition that she would be speaking to a female interviewer since she is afraid of men after the shooting and that she would not be recorded.
One of the teachers went to the classroom door, "and he was right there — they made eye contact," the 11-year-old told CNN. "Miah says it just happened all so fast. He backed the teacher into the classroom. He made eye contact with the teacher, again, looked her right in the eye and said 'goodnight' and then shot her and killed her."
more https://www.foxnews.com/us/texas-school-shooting-suspect-goodnight-sad-music
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 27, 2022, 08:42:49 pm
Just proof that mental illness is rampant in today's culture.
Though this be madness, methinks there's method in it...
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 27, 2022, 08:58:57 pm
Presser with Abbott
Lauren Peikoff @laurenpeikoff · 1m Re the changing timeline, Gov. Abbott says he was "misled," and he is "livid."
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 27, 2022, 09:00:23 pm
TheLeoTerrell @TheLeoTerrell · 15s If the governor of Texas cannot trust the police department, how can the average citizen trust police regarding this massacre involving innocent children and two teachers.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 27, 2022, 09:00:39 pm
David Begnaud @DavidBegnaud · 45s NOW: Texas Gov. Greg Abbott says he was 'misled' about police response to school shooting and is 'livid about what happened.'
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 27, 2022, 09:02:35 pm
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 27, 2022, 09:06:15 pm
annmarie hordern @annmarie · 50s Texas @GovAbbott says no laws that he signed allowed the shooter to get a gun. He says there will be a discussion to pass laws to make sure schools are safer, and to address healthcare.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 27, 2022, 09:08:23 pm
annmarie hordern @annmarie · 50s Texas @GovAbbott says no laws that he signed allowed the shooter to get a gun. He says there will be a discussion to pass laws to make sure schools are safer, and to address healthcare.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 27, 2022, 09:10:29 pm
annmarie hordern @annmarie · 55s "Ever since Texas has been a state" there's been an ability for 18 year olds to buy long guns, rifles, says @GovAbbott . We used to not have school shootings but we do now. "Maybe we're focusing our attention on the wrong thing..."
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 27, 2022, 09:16:39 pm
TheLeoTerrell @TheLeoTerrell · 4m Governor Abbott: I suggest you sent @JudgeJeanine and myself to obtain the truth in Texas. Give us unconditional access to all information!
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 27, 2022, 09:19:59 pm
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 27, 2022, 09:20:34 pm
TheLeoTerrell @TheLeoTerrell · 44s Every officer and state employee who lied to Governor Abbott should be fired immediately!
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 27, 2022, 09:21:01 pm
Travis Akers @travisakers · 1m I have not seen a single law enforcement official involved in this past week’s massacre in Texas resign yet and that’s unacceptable.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 27, 2022, 09:21:34 pm
Jeanine Pirro @JudgeJeanine · 1h According to the Director of the Texas Department of Public Safety, the commander on scene at Robb Elementary made the “wrong decision” by not treating it as an active shooter situation. Hearing this news, all I can think about is “what if…” and “if only…”
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 27, 2022, 09:22:56 pm
Chad Prather @WatchChad · 9h The people that stay silent about two dozen shootings every weekend in Chicago are now yelling about how “something has to change.” Just not in places like Chicago.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 27, 2022, 09:25:39 pm
David Begnaud @DavidBegnaud · 45s NOW: Texas Gov. Greg Abbott says he was 'misled' about police response to school shooting and is 'livid about what happened.'
He screwed up. He trusted them.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on May 27, 2022, 10:10:58 pm
Abby D. Phillip @abbydphillip · 6m Unreal: This official just said that a decision was made to not break into the classroom because the officers on site believed there was no longer an active shooting situation, even though children were calling 911 at the time pleading for officers to come and save them. My God.
Cowardice.
Even if no more shots were being fired, he had a couple dozen 8 year olds he could methodically be butchering with a knife as they had no where to go.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on May 27, 2022, 10:15:50 pm
BREAKING: The director of DPS confirms that no efforts were made to rescue children because an on-scene commander believed that authorities were addressing a barricaded suspect, not an active shooter. “A decision was made...that there was time...to wait for a tactical team.”
Director McCraw: “With the benefit of hindsight, it was the wrong decision.”
That is a lie.
Several parents made attempts to rescue the kids but were forcibly restrained by police. And the parents knew it as some had kids calling them,
The police are LYING.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on May 27, 2022, 10:54:19 pm
TheLeoTerrell @TheLeoTerrell · 18s Given the shenanigans of the FBI and how they tried to take down President Trump, I don’t trust the FBI to conduct a proper investigation.
@TheLeoTerrell
I don't expect them to conduct ANY kind of investigation that isn't political,with the outcome pre-determined.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 28, 2022, 12:36:43 am
Published May 27, 2022 8:25pm EDT Matthew McConaughey visits Uvalde, Texas hometown to pay respects to school shooting victims Matthew McConaughey was born in Uvalde, Texas, where his mother was a teacher at a school a mile away from Robb Elementary School
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 28, 2022, 01:03:22 am
Jewish Deplorable @TrumpJew2
Imagine if firefighters waited outside of a burning building because they were afraid of fire
May 27, 2022, 11:55
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 28, 2022, 02:11:21 am
Uvalde gunman emerged from classroom closet firing as Border Patrol agents entered, official says
The suspected gunman in the Uvalde, Texas school shooting emerged from a classroom closet firing at Border Patrol tactical agents entering the room, a U.S. Customs and Border Protection official said Friday, The Washington Post reported.
Using a ballistic shield, the agents entered the Robb Elementary School classroom and shot and killed the shooter.
Authorities waited outside the room for roughly 45 minutes while parents outside and children inside pleaded for help, authorities said Friday. Responding law enforcement agencies have been heavily criticized for its slow response to the massacre that took the lives of 19 children and two teachers. Posted by Fox News
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 28, 2022, 02:13:16 am
Anonymous donor gives $175K to pay for funeral services for Uvalde families in school shooting
An anonymous donation of $175,000 has been made to assist the families of Uvalde impacted by the school shooting, Texas Gov. Greg Abbott said Friday.
Abbott said the donation was made to ensure that "every cost of every family concerning anything about the funeral services is going to be taken care of."
The governor also announced the establishment of a "One Star Foundation" fund to assist with the "ongoing challenges" victims will be faced with. Posted by Louis Casiano
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Elderberry on May 28, 2022, 02:45:21 am
School Shootings – It’s Time For Teachers Themselves to Act
Valuewalk May 26, 2022
Rather than continuing to wait for governments to act to reduce school shootings by enacting laws which may not even be effective if ever adopted, teachers should act now to protect themselves and their students, argues public interest law professor John Banzhaf, who suggests three simple, proven, and effective steps they can and should take now, without further delay and needless risk of death or serious injury.
Some teachers - especially those who are already trained and licensed to carry concealed firearms - should have them in school on their person, or at least within easy reach in a secure gun safe in a classroom desk.
The mere posting of signs in the school - "WARNING; Some Teachers Have Guns" - should provide significant deterrence to many potential shooters, even if only a few teachers, whose identity will not be known to the students, actually have them.
Equally important, since law enforcement officials often take at least several minutes to arrive - and far longer in rural areas and some neighborhoods - an armed teacher already in the building can take effective action with a gun much more quickly, thereby slashing the number of deadly shots which can be fired by the intruder.
Teachers have occasionally attacked gunmen, with some losing their lives or suffering injuries, but even a small handgun in trained hands is much more effective than approaching a shooter with a chair, pole, or even bare hands.
The federal program under which some commercial airline pilots carry guns, even though they themselves are largely protected in the cockpit, shows that arming responsible and trained individuals who are not law enforcement personnel is safe, and does not led to wrongful shootings, intentional or negligent.
Reportedly some 20 states already authorize teachers who have received special training to carry a gun in the classroom, so the idea is neither farfetched or untested.
Even in the absence of such laws, many teachers already have a CCW [carrying a concealed weapon] permit. So, unless the law prohibits CCW licensed teachers from having a weapon in a school, they should not surrender their weapons - as well as their safety and the safety of others - when on school grounds.
If school authorities ban guns, teachers and concerned parents should press for a change in policy.
If teachers cannot or do not want to carry a gun, there is a viable alternative.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: 240B on May 28, 2022, 10:27:57 am
Daily Mail By HARRIET ALEXANDER 27 May 2022
Pete Arredondo, chief of police for the Uvalde Consolidated Independent School District, had stopped at least 19 officers from breaking into the school
Steven McCraw, director of Texas Department of Public Safety, said Arredondo mistakenly believed the gunman was contained and no longer a threat
Two federal sources told NBC that teams of border patrol agents from their tactical division were on the scene by 12:00-12:15pm, but told to wait
They stood around for 30 minutes before taking matters into their own hands and deciding to storm the school
Arredondo is yet to appear at any press briefings but officials are facing increasingly angry questions about their handling of the attack
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: rebewranger on May 28, 2022, 11:17:48 am
Feds entered Uvalde school to kill gunman despite local police initially asking them to wait Julia Ainsley - Yesterday 7:06 PM
Federal agents who went to Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, on Tuesday to confront a gunman who killed 19 children were told by local police to wait and not enter the school — and then decided after about half an hour to ignore that initial guidance and find the shooter, say two senior federal law enforcement officials.
According to the officials, agents from BORTAC, the Customs and Border Protection tactical unit, and ICE's Homeland Security Investigations (HSI) arrived on the scene between noon and 12:15 p.m. on Tuesday. Local law enforcement asked them to wait, and then instructed HSI agents to help pull children out of the windows.
The BORTAC team, armed with tactical gear, at first did not move toward the gunman. After approximately 30 minutes passed, however, the federal agents opted of their own volition to lead the “stack” of officers inside the school and take down the shooter.
Uh...let's tone down the testosterone there, Pete!
It's an active crime scene...you cannot let civilians inside running around helter skelter. Secondly, one parent gets shot and then what do you do?
My question is during those 44 minutes, was there any gunfire? Apparently, not. The deed was already finished. :shrug:
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on May 28, 2022, 12:01:43 pm
Uh...let's tone down the testosterone there, Pete!
It's an active crime scene...you cannot let civilians inside running around helter skelter. Secondly, one parent gets shot and then what do you do?
My question is during those 44 minutes, was there any gunfire? Apparently, not. The deed was already finished. :shrug:
Ridiculous.
Kids were in there bleeding to death. Your cautious method guaranteed their demise.
And for all you know he could have been using a knife to silently kill more without a shot being fired.
Instead, parents who wanted to save their kids were being treated as criminals.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on May 28, 2022, 12:04:11 pm
Imagine if firefighters waited outside of a burning building because they were afraid of fire, knowing children were inside who would be burned to death
May 27, 2022, 11:55
I'd modify it this way.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: 240B on May 28, 2022, 12:04:38 pm
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on May 28, 2022, 12:08:43 pm
Pete Arredondo, chief of police for the Uvalde Consolidated Independent School District, had stopped at least 19 officers from breaking into the school
Steven McCraw, director of Texas Department of Public Safety, said Arredondo mistakenly believed the gunman was contained and no longer a threat
Two federal sources told NBC that teams of border patrol agents from their tactical division were on the scene by 12:00-12:15pm, but told to wait
They stood around for 30 minutes before taking matters into their own hands and deciding to storm the school
Arredondo is yet to appear at any press briefings but officials are facing increasingly angry questions about their handling of the attack
The guy who commanded the response to the killing will not speak to anybody about it?
It better be because some parent has already silenced the coward.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mountaineer on May 28, 2022, 12:45:49 pm
So many unanswered questions that we - rational people - keep asking. Where did Ramos get all the money for guns, ammo and gear? Why was the door propped open, and by whom?
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Dennis Michael Lynch @realDennisLynch Am I the only guy wondering why the teacher at Robb opened the door 1-minute before Ramos arrived? Has law enforcement addressed this highly unusual move and the timing of it? Coincidence maybe, but its terribly strange and downright stupid. She's more to blame than the cops. 8:41 AM · May 28, 2022·
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 28, 2022, 01:03:11 pm
$2.4 million raised for 4 children left parentless following Uvalde shooting by Lexi Lonas - 05/28/22 8:23 AM ET
A GoFundMe has raised $2.4 million for four children who were left without parents after the Uvalde, Texas, elementary school shooting that killed 19 children and two teachers.
Irma Garcia, who taught at Robb Elementary school for 23 years, died on Tuesday while she was protecting her children from the shooter.
Shortly after the tragedy, her husband of almost 25 years, Joe Garcia, died from a heart attack, likely caused by the stress from the incident.
The deaths leave their children: Cristian, 23; Jose, 19; Lyliana, 15; and Alysandra, 12, without parents.
A GoFundMe created two days ago by Debra Austin, Irma Garcia’s cousin, has already reached above and beyond its $10,000 goal, raising $2,451,710 for the children.
more https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/3504742-2-4-million-raised-for-4-children-left-parentless-following-uvalde-shooting/
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 28, 2022, 01:43:56 pm
NBC: BORTAC agents who were told not to enter the school waited 30 minutes and then went in anyway John Sexton May 27, 2022 8:40 PM ET
As Allahpundit pointed out here, when BORTAC agents showed up at Robb Elementary School Tuesday, they were told by the on scene commander not to enter the school. The NY Times reported the agents had driven from the border and showed up between noon and 12:10 pm. And we know from an earlier timeline that they finally breached the door around 12:50 pm and killed the suspect within a few minutes.
Now NBC has published a story with a small but significant update to what the Times reported earlier. It turns out the BORTAC agents who killed Ramos were never told to go inside. Instead, they got tired of waiting and simply decided on their own to go in.
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According to the officials, agents from BORTAC, the Customs and Border Protection tactical unit, and ICE’s Homeland Security Investigations (HSI) arrived on the scene between noon and 12:15 p.m. on Tuesday. Local law enforcement asked them to wait, and then instructed HSI agents to help pull children out of the windows.
The BORTAC team, armed with tactical gear, at first did not move toward the gunman. After approximately 30 minutes passed, however, the federal agents opted of their own volition to lead the “stack” of officers inside the school and take down the shooter.
more https://hotair.com/john-s-2/2022/05/27/nbc-bortac-agents-who-were-told-not-to-enter-the-school-waited-30-minutes-and-then-went-in-anyway-n472574
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: 240B on May 28, 2022, 01:45:52 pm
Imagine if firefighters waited outside of a burning building because they were afraid of fire
May 27, 2022, 11:55
Imagine if the Red Army waited outside the gates of Warsaw while the SS eradicated the Jweish ghettos, all because Stalin was afraid of post-war political opposition? Oh wait . . .
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: 240B on May 28, 2022, 02:13:11 pm
Kids were in there bleeding to death. Your cautious method guaranteed their demise.
And for all you know he could have been using a knife to silently kill more without a shot being fired.
Instead, parents who wanted to save their kids were being treated as criminals.
Precisely. The 'golden hour' for trauma patients was ticking away.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Kamaji on May 28, 2022, 04:04:58 pm
Documents Reveal Uvalde Police Violated Protocols in Shocking Ways, Made Egregious Decision to Stand Down
By Bonchie May 28, 2022
Questions over the Uvalde Police Department’s response to a school shooting carried out on Tuesday continue to rage. Multiple reports have painted a disturbing picture of both incompetence and egregious decision-making, with over a dozen officers standing by while the shooter killed 19 children. Perhaps even worse, after a tactical team from the Border Patrol arrived, they were also told to stand down before eventually disobeying the order and neutralizing the threat.
For their part, Texas DPS gave a presser that attempted to gloss over the failings, refusing to answer basic questions about what transpired.
Now, unearthed documents are showing how protocols were violated in shocking ways, with the police response directly contradicting the expectations they were given just months prior in regards to an active shooter situation.
The instructions to officers aren’t vague. They directly say that the first priority is to confront the killer immediately, neutralize them, and then render aid. Nowhere does it say to hang back for an hour waiting on a tactical team before then preventing said tactical team from entering. Further, it notes that while not waiting for backup, even a single officer is expected to do his duty. This backs up what I’ve said in my prior critiques. Namely, in an active shooter situation, especially at a school with children, you play until the whistle and let the chips fall. If that results in an officer being killed, so be it. That’s the job, and that’s the expectation, not just from me, but from the Uvalde PD’s own stated protocols.
It gets worse, though. To those who might suggest that the fear of getting shot made it justifiable for the police to retreat and let the massacre continue, the documents specifically say that someone with such an attitude should find another line of work.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: rebewranger on May 28, 2022, 04:37:25 pm
Border Patrol Agents Defied Uvalde Police Orders to Remain Outside School
By ZACHARY EVANS May 28, 2022 10:51 AM
The Border Patrol agents who killed the school shooter in Uvalde, Texas, on Tuesday entered the school on their own accord after local law enforcement requested that they hold back, two senior federal law enforcement sources told NBC News on Friday.
The agents from BORTAC, Border Patrol’s tactical unit, arrived at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde from a location about 40 miles away, according to the New York Times. Agents from U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement’s Homeland Security Investigations (HSI) arrived around the same time, the federal sources told NBC.
Local law enforcement asked the two teams to wait, and then tasked HSI agents with pulling schoolchildren out of classroom windows. BORTAC agents waited about 30 minutes and then decided to ignore local law enforcement’s request to remain outside, entering the school and neutralizing the gunman.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Wingnut on May 28, 2022, 05:33:57 pm
I'm surprised little David "Attention" Hogg hasn't found a mic to lend his creditable voice, as a survivor of a mass school shooting, to the gun grab debate.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mountaineer on May 28, 2022, 05:42:54 pm
I'm surprised little David "Attention" Hogg hasn't found a mic to lend his creditable voice, as a survivor of a mass school shooting, to the gun grab debate.
Don't worry, he has. He's on twitter.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Free Vulcan on May 28, 2022, 06:34:10 pm
The more that comes out, the more this thing stinks, and this isn't the first time we've seen this.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 28, 2022, 06:50:33 pm
Uvalde Cops Had ‘Active Shooter’ Training Just Weeks Before Elementary School Massacre By Virginia Kruta • May 28, 2022 DailyWire.com
Uvalde police officers have been widely criticized for their delayed response to the tragic shooting that took place Tuesday at Robb Elementary School – apparently despite the fact that the department had hosted an “Active Shooter Training” just nine weeks earlier.
The Reload’s Stephen Gutowski shared a photo of a flyer advertising the training course, hosted by the Uvalde Police Department, that was scheduled to take place in March. “It appears there was an active shooter class hosted by the Uvalde Police Department on March 21,2022. Here is the ad for the class that was posted on the Southwest Texas Junior College Law Enforcement Academy Facebook page on March 1st.”
According to the posted flyer, the training was actually titled: “Active Shooter for School-Based Law Enforcement.”
more https://www.dailywire.com/news/uvalde-cops-had-active-shooter-training-just-weeks-before-elementary-school-massacre
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 28, 2022, 06:53:14 pm
Uvalde police chief who delayed officer response will join City Council By Nika Shakhnazarova May 28, 2022 12:43pm
The school district police chief who held officers back during Tuesday’s chilling massacre is set to join the Uvalde City Council, according to reports.
Officer Pete Arredondo’s bungled orders resulted in the slowed response of at least 19 cops at Robb Elementary School, where a gunman opened fire and killed 19 students and two teachers, according to NBC News.
Arredondo was elected to the Uvalde City Council in the municipal election on May 7 after tallying up nearly 70 percent of the vote, Uvalde Leader-News reports.
At a news conference on Friday, Col. Steven McCraw, director of the Texas Department of Public Safety, implied Arredondo’s orders caused the police force’s slow response to the mass shooting.
Arredondo, is the Chief of Police for the Uvalde Consolidated Independent School District and oversees eight schools, was not at the news conference.
McCraw, who did not name Arredondo, said the police chief mistakenly believed it had become a barricade or hostage situation. The only evidence anything had changed was that the shooting had slowed.
“With the benefit of hindsight, where I’m sitting now, of course, it was not the right decision, it was the wrong decision, period,” McCraw said. “There was no excuse for that.”
more https://nypost.com/2022/05/28/uvalde-police-chief-who-delayed-response-to-join-city-council/
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Absalom on May 28, 2022, 07:18:47 pm
Wanna get the attention of our political establishment flunkies????? Then instantly terminate the 19, masquerading in Police costumes, who wandered the halls of the Uvalde School. Also imprison those whose lies under oath are affirmed. The lessons of history confirm that COWARDICE FOSTERS DISGRACE TRIGGERING DEATH. AS WELL WARFARE DEALS W/COWARDICE UNDER FIRE W/FIRING SQUADS. TAKE NOTE TEXAS.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 28, 2022, 07:29:33 pm
8 Examples Of People Being Incredible In The Face Of The Texas Massacre
excerpt:
6. Man Identifies Bodies, Shields Parents From Gruesome Sight
The Uvalde Justice of the Peace Eulalio Diaz worked late into the night Tuesday identifying the bodies of victims so that their families could have answers, according to the El Paso Times. In some cases he swabbed family members for DNA to spare them from having to identify their deceased loved ones.
more https://dailycaller.com/2022/05/28/people-being-incredible-uvalde-texas-massacre/
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on May 28, 2022, 08:42:46 pm
Uvalde police chief who delayed officer response will join City Council By Nika Shakhnazarova May 28, 2022 12:43pm
The school district police chief who held officers back during Tuesday’s chilling massacre is set to join the Uvalde City Council, according to reports.
Officer Pete Arredondo’s bungled orders resulted in the slowed response of at least 19 cops at Robb Elementary School, where a gunman opened fire and killed 19 students and two teachers, according to NBC News.
Arredondo was elected to the Uvalde City Council in the municipal election on May 7 after tallying up nearly 70 percent of the vote, Uvalde Leader-News reports.
At a news conference on Friday, Col. Steven McCraw, director of the Texas Department of Public Safety, implied Arredondo’s orders caused the police force’s slow response to the mass shooting.
Arredondo, is the Chief of Police for the Uvalde Consolidated Independent School District and oversees eight schools, was not at the news conference.
McCraw, who did not name Arredondo, said the police chief mistakenly believed it had become a barricade or hostage situation. The only evidence anything had changed was that the shooting had slowed.
“With the benefit of hindsight, where I’m sitting now, of course, it was not the right decision, it was the wrong decision, period,” McCraw said. “There was no excuse for that.”
more https://nypost.com/2022/05/28/uvalde-police-chief-who-delayed-response-to-join-city-council/
so typical a move for misdirected people. He gets promoted.
In this case, I willl take all bets who believe he will survive after a single meeting, if he makes it to that one at all.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 28, 2022, 11:53:32 pm
Rep. Gonzales: Uvalde police response delayed by ‘scrambling’ to find tools to pry open steel door
Rep. Tony Gonzales, R-Texas, told "Fox News Live" Saturday that while on the ground in Uvalde, he spoke to a wounded officer who told him police response units were "scrambling" to find a tool to open the school door to get to the gunman on Tuesday.
He learned that the locked steel door only opened outward, "not inward," making it more difficult to break down. Posted by Fox News
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 28, 2022, 11:55:07 pm
Uvalde school district police chief completed active shooter training in December: report
(https://a57.foxnews.com/livenews.foxnews.com/images/2022/05/960/540/f39523a1e9af90d1e82bcd53de28ada2.jpg?tl=1&ve=1) Police responding to Tuesday's school shooting in Uvalde, Texas, waited before killing the assailant, believing he was barricaded in a classroom. (AP Graphic)
Uvalde Consolidated Independent School District Chief of Police Pete Arredondo completed active shooter training in December 2021, state records obtained by NBC News show.
He also completed active shooting training in 2020, according to the outlet.
Arredondo, the commander on-scene at Robb Elementary on Tuesday, made a decision to transition law enforcement's response away from an active shooter situation and toward a barricaded subject incident, Texas Department of Public Safety Director Steven McCraw said Friday.
While officers initially responded to the shooting, "there was a barrage – hundreds of rounds were pumped" into classrooms for four minutes," McCraw said.
"Any firing afterwards was sporadic and it was at the door," he continued. “So the belief is that there may not be anybody living anymore and that the subject is now trying to keep law enforcement at bay or enticing them to come in and suicide [by cop]."
Fox News' Greg Norman contributed to this report. Posted by Audrey Conklin
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: DCPatriot on May 29, 2022, 12:14:00 am
Rep. Gonzales: Uvalde police response delayed by ‘scrambling’ to find tools to pry open steel door
Rep. Tony Gonzales, R-Texas, told "Fox News Live" Saturday that while on the ground in Uvalde, he spoke to a wounded officer who told him police response units were "scrambling" to find a tool to open the school door to get to the gunman on Tuesday.
He learned that the locked steel door only opened outward, "not inward," making it more difficult to break down. Posted by Fox News
Which, makes perfect sense if your goal is to protect staff and students. :shrug:
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Bigun on May 29, 2022, 12:54:05 am
The more that comes out, the more this thing stinks, and this isn't the first time we've seen this.
You are absolutely right @Free Vulcan Something nefarious is going on here.
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Post by: PeteS in CA on May 29, 2022, 01:27:54 am
Sounds like the police chief has some 'splainin' to do, https://hotair.com/allahpundit/2022/05/28/there-was-almost-a-mutiny-uvalde-cop-says-force-is-furious-that-they-were-held-back-n472654 .
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Free Vulcan on May 29, 2022, 07:30:35 am
Was this guy paid to look the other way? Anyone with any testosterone at all would have heard those 911 calls from those kids and jumped into action.
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Post by: Smokin Joe on May 29, 2022, 09:13:45 am
Rep. Gonzales: Uvalde police response delayed by ‘scrambling’ to find tools to pry open steel door
Rep. Tony Gonzales, R-Texas, told "Fox News Live" Saturday that while on the ground in Uvalde, he spoke to a wounded officer who told him police response units were "scrambling" to find a tool to open the school door to get to the gunman on Tuesday.
He learned that the locked steel door only opened outward, "not inward," making it more difficult to break down. Posted by Fox News
Get the fire department and either use the Jaws or a saw and cut it open. It should be on the truck, and would not take long to get there. If the door opens outward, the hinges should be on the outside.
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Post by: rebewranger on May 29, 2022, 11:33:08 am
@ Free Vulcan & Pete S
He's not the problem. I'm sure Trump will somehow shoulder the blame. :pondering:
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mountaineer on May 29, 2022, 12:49:31 pm
The more that is learned about the 18-year-old suspect responsible for the massacre at a Texas elementary school, the more it appears the tragedy may have been wholly preventable as Salvador Ramos had made one request of his older sister serving in the U.S. Navy that she “flatly refused.”
Following the tragedy at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, TX where 19 children and two teachers were killed, in addition to positing measures that may be taken to stop another atrocity like this from happening again, many wondered if there were overlooked signs that the suspect’s violence was inevitable. Now, according to the Daily Mail, it is being reported he approached his older sister Marisabelle Ramos for an earlier attempt at purchasing a firearm.
Rolando Reyes, grandfather to the suspect, explained, “My granddaughter Marisabelle is in the Navy and currently stationed in San Diego, California.” The 21-year-old rushed home to be with her grandmother Celia who is currently in hospital having been shot in the face as the first victim of the horrible tragedy.
As part of their investigation, Texas Department of Public Safety Director Steven McCraw explained that the suspect had continually discussed obtaining a firearm and shooting up a school and had even asked his sister to buy him one before he was old enough to do so himself. McCraw said “she flatly refused” when the request was made in September. The suspect purchased the firearms used in the massacre on his 18th birthday.
Salvador Ramos Sr., father of the suspect, stated of Marisabelle, “My daughter, I guess, changed her life, she went to the Navy. I wish my son would have gone and changed his life.”
more https://www.bizpacreview.com/2022/05/29/uvalde-shooters-sister-in-us-navy-flatly-refused-brothers-request-last-year-to-buy-him-a-gun-1243798/
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Post by: mystery-ak on May 29, 2022, 02:05:49 pm
‘We Felt Like Cowards’: Police Officer Reflects On The Delayed Officer Response At Uvalde School Shooting
Leena Nasir Entertainment Reporter May 28, 2022 6:21 PM ET Font Size:
A police officer on the scene of the school shooting in Texas came forward to reveal his frustration about being told to stand down on May 24 as children were being massacred inside Robb Elementary School.
The unnamed officer, who has served for a decade, described what he and his fellow officers felt when they were given orders to wait outside of the school rather than storm in to take down the gunman, People reported. “There was almost a mutiny,” the officer said. “We were like, ‘There’s a f*cking gunman in the school, we hear gunshots, and we’re just going to stand here with our thumbs up our asses?’ We wanted to go in and save lives. It was the most frustrating situation of my entire career,” the officer said, according to People. “We felt like cowards.”
more https://dailycaller.com/2022/05/28/cowards-police-officer-reflects-delayed-officer-response-texas-uvalde-school-shooting/
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Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on May 29, 2022, 02:09:22 pm
NBC News: Salvador Ramos the shooter in Uvalde, TX was found with 15 bullet holes in him after being shot by CBP BORTAC agents and local law enforcement, multiple senior U.S. law enforcement officials tell
A shot gun blast will do that
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on May 29, 2022, 02:13:23 pm
He's not the problem. I'm sure Trump will somehow shoulder the blame. :pondering:
Even if it is found he was here illegally? We have yet to see his birth certificate, have we?
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Post by: Cyber Liberty on May 29, 2022, 02:15:31 pm
This sounds a lot like the comedy bit SNL did back when they were funny. "Who killed Buckwheat."
Reporter: How well did you know John David Stutts"
Gas Station Owner: Oh, very well! I knew him when he was a child and he used to play with my daughter in Kindergarten! When he was 16 he came to work for me pumping gas. He was the best employee I ever had! He was prompt to the pumps when he heard the bell, and after washing the windshield and checking the oil, he always checked the air pressure in the tires! And he was always dressed neatly in his uniform.
Reporter: Do you think he killed Buckwheat?
Gas Station Owner: Oh, yes! It's all he ever talked about! He'd say, "Boss, I'm working overtime and saving up my money so I can buy a bus ticket and a gun so I can shoot Buckwheat!"
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Post by: Elderberry on May 29, 2022, 02:28:04 pm
Sheriff Grady Judd addresses school safety following Texas shooting
WFLA News Channel 8
Sheriff Grady Judd addresses school safety following Texas shooting
NBC News: Salvador Ramos the shooter in Uvalde, TX was found with 15 bullet holes in him after being shot by CBP BORTAC agents and local law enforcement, multiple senior U.S. law enforcement officials tell
Reporter Asked, "why did you have to shoot him 15 times? CBP BORTAC Spokes person, "It was all the bullets he had"
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 29, 2022, 02:33:59 pm
SWAT happened? Did Uvalde tactical unit respond to Texas school shooting? By Eileen AJ Connelly May 28, 2022 5:58pm
(https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/05/swat-team.jpg?quality=75&strip=all&w=1488) The Uvalde Police Department bragged online about having its own SWAT team two years before the shooting at Robb Elementary School. Facebook/Uvalde Police Department
Two years before the massacre at Robb Elementary School that left 19 fourth-graders and their two teachers dead, the Uvalde Police Department boasted online about having its own SWAT team.
The department posted a picture on Facebook of nine heavily armed officers with the caption “Meet Our SWAT Team.”
The unit was making visits throughout the community that day “to familiarize themselves with layouts of our local schools and businesses,” according to the February 2020 post.
But when terror came to the tiny Texas town, it’s not clear if tactical unit that seemingly trained for just such a moment turned out to respond, a law enforcement source said.
“There were so many officers, so many agencies involved,” the source said.
The state’s Department of Public Safety, which is probing the response to the shooting, is still trying to determine which agencies were on the scene and the role each played. In Texas, it’s not uncommon for multiple law enforcement officials from different agencies to respond to an incident together.
more https://nypost.com/2022/05/28/unclear-if-uvalde-swat-team-responded-to-texas-school-shooting/
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Post by: mystery-ak on May 29, 2022, 02:35:34 pm
Texas probing whether Peter Arredondo had police radio during disastrous school shooting response By Eileen AJ Connelly, Jack Morphet and Dana Kennedy May 28, 2022 4:09pm
Texas state investigators are probing whether Uvalde Schools Police Chief Peter Arredondo even had a police radio on him when he made the disastrous decision to have officers stand back — instead of confronting shooter Salvador Ramos, who killed 19 kids, a law enforcement source told The Post.
The lack of a police radio may explain why Arredondo decided to hold officers back as multiple students called 911 from inside the school begging for help, investigators with the state’s Department of Public Safety believe.
“That’s going to be key,” the source said, “If those 911 calls were being communicated to the officers or the incident commander.”
Ramos crashed a pickup truck into a ditch outside Robb Elementary Tuesday, who quickly started shooting, and climbed a fence before gaining entry through a door left propped open, officials have said.
Cops entered the school about two minutes after the gunman, who barricaded himself in a classroom, where all 21 victims were slain. But officials have said Arrendondo ordered officers to hold off entering the classroom, despite pleas from parents outside that someone try to save the children.
more https://nypost.com/2022/05/28/peter-arredondo-questioned-if-he-had-police-radio-during-school-shooting/
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 29, 2022, 02:37:41 pm
NBC News: Salvador Ramos the shooter in Uvalde, TX was found with 15 bullet holes in him after being shot by CBP BORTAC agents and local law enforcement, multiple senior U.S. law enforcement officials tell
A shot gun blast will do that
Depends entirely on the size of the shot. 00 buck comes eight to the 2 3/4 shell, (would take two rounds, close, well centered), and 12 to the 3" shell (still would take two rounds, well centered on the suspect)
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Post by: Elderberry on May 29, 2022, 02:42:17 pm
Depends entirely on the size of the shot. 00 buck comes eight to the 2 3/4 shell, (would take two rounds, close, well centered), and 12 to the 3" shell (still would take two rounds, well centered on the suspect)
What would be a typical load a barber would use?
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Hoodat on May 29, 2022, 02:46:47 pm
The guy who commanded the response to the killing will not speak to anybody about it?
Ditto.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Cyber Liberty on May 29, 2022, 02:50:40 pm
Depends entirely on the size of the shot. 00 buck comes eight to the 2 3/4 shell, (would take two rounds, close, well centered), and 12 to the 3" shell (still would take two rounds, well centered on the suspect)
A Blunderbuss seems like a weapon that would not be used in a situation like this. Too risky for the hostages. I'm inclined to think a magazine was unloaded into the killer. As @Wingnut suggests, it was probably all the rounds the BORTAC man had in his Mag.
I was at a TEA Party meeting yesterday, where the Speaker was a long-time cop who did tactical work. He was asked how to handle someone wearing body armor. Someone (a proficient marksman) piped up, "Head shot!" The officer said, no that's not correct. Start shooting into the pelvic area and work your way up as the gun naturally bucks for each shot. Even if the armor holds up, the impact blows will stop the subject from returning accurate fire. If he persists with with chest shots, then aim carefully for the head to finish him.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Cyber Liberty on May 29, 2022, 02:51:15 pm
‘We Felt Like Cowards’: Police Officer Reflects On The Delayed Officer Response At Uvalde School Shooting
Leena Nasir Entertainment Reporter May 28, 2022 6:21 PM ET Font Size:
A police officer on the scene of the school shooting in Texas came forward to reveal his frustration about being told to stand down on May 24 as children were being massacred inside Robb Elementary School.
The unnamed officer, who has served for a decade, described what he and his fellow officers felt when they were given orders to wait outside of the school rather than storm in to take down the gunman, People reported. “There was almost a mutiny,” the officer said. “We were like, ‘There’s a f*cking gunman in the school, we hear gunshots, and we’re just going to stand here with our thumbs up our asses?’ We wanted to go in and save lives. It was the most frustrating situation of my entire career,” the officer said, according to People. “We felt like cowards.”
It's called "Do your bleeping duty,REGARDLESS of the consequences. People in the military are expected to do this every day of their freaking lives,and most of them don't even get paid as much as cops.
I have ZERO respect for these cowards in badges. "I wuz jist following orders!" is an excuse that became unacceptable in 1945. Suck it up and DO YOUR FREAKING DUTY!
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: sneakypete on May 29, 2022, 03:02:02 pm
NBC News: Salvador Ramos the shooter in Uvalde, TX was found with 15 bullet holes in him after being shot by CBP BORTAC agents and local law enforcement, multiple senior U.S. law enforcement officials tell [/b]
Sure. EVERYBODY is eager to shoot him once he is already dead and can't shoot back. Then they can make the claim "I am one of the officers who shot him" and bathe in that "glory" for the rest of their lives.
He learned that the locked steel door only opened outward, "not inward," making it more difficult to break down.
Which, makes perfect sense if your goal is to protect staff and students. :shrug:
The only door throughout the entire school in which police did not have access to both sides was the classroom door where the shooter was. And that door opened inward. So the outward steel door excuse above is a non-starter.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Hoodat on May 29, 2022, 03:20:03 pm
Was this guy paid to look the other way? Anyone with any testosterone at all would have heard those 911 calls from those kids and jumped into action.
The 911 calls would have come into the Uvalde PD, not the School PD. Not that this is a valid excuse, but it is certainly one the School PD will defend themselves with.
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Post by: Cyber Liberty on May 29, 2022, 03:22:01 pm
Which, makes perfect sense if your goal is to protect staff and students. :shrug:
The only door throughout the entire school in which police did not have access to both sides was the classroom door where the shooter was. And that door opened inward. So the outward steel door excuse above is a non-starter.
I'm not so sure about whether the door was an inny or an outty, but ever since a theater fire killed a crapton of people who could not escape the blaze, the rule for doors in public buildings is to always open in the direction of egress to prevent them from being jammed shut by a crush of panicked people trying to flee.
But I freely admit I could easily be wrong about this.
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Post by: Hoodat on May 29, 2022, 03:25:49 pm
Hopefully, someone is combing through all the on-scene videos taken (Jan 6 style) to identify whether any of the people pictured in the photo above were on the scene.
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Post by: Fishrrman on May 29, 2022, 03:29:40 pm
Neighbor blasts Uvalde School Police Chief Pete Arredondo as ‘a coward’ in wake of massacre By Jack Morphet May 28, 2022
The Texas cop under scrutiny for how he handled the response to the Uvalde school massacre stayed out of sight under police protection Saturday — while an angry neighbor slammed him as a “coward.”
Uvalde School District Police Chief Pete Arredondo made the call that the carnage at Robb Elementary School on Tuesday had gone from an “active shooter” situation to a “barricaded suspect” standoff, which a top state cop admitted was “the wrong decision.”
State investigators are probing whether Arredondo even had a police radio on him when he made the decision, a law enforcement source told The Post.
Police waited more than a half-hour to breach the door to two classrooms connected by a bathroom where 18-year-old gunman Salvador Ramos was locked in with children, some of who were alive and made numerous calls to 911.
“Pete Arredondo is a coward. He didn’t do his job. He failed the children,” said neighbor Lydia Torres, 56.
Torres spoke as local police spent the day guarding Arredondo’s home. The embattled chief repeatedly declined to comment Saturday. ... Local cops have kept guard outside Arredondo’s house around the clock.
More at URL above...
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Post by: Cyber Liberty on May 29, 2022, 03:30:52 pm
Hopefully, someone is combing through all the on-scene videos taken (Jan 6 style) to identify whether any of the people pictured in the photo above were on the scene.
I would not be surprised if many of them quit the force because of the nationwide "Awokening" after George Floyd. Being a tactical squad, they were likely laid off during the defunding craze in favor of keeping more beat officers.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Cyber Liberty on May 29, 2022, 03:35:10 pm
Neighbor blasts Uvalde School Police Chief Pete Arredondo as ‘a coward’ in wake of massacre
... Local cops have kept guard outside Arredondo’s house around the clock.
Wouldn't it be ironic if the cops assigned to the detail were as complacent as he had ordered them to be during the actual mass murder? They have to be pretty pissed at him now that they are all considered cowards.
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Post by: Hoodat on May 29, 2022, 03:36:26 pm
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 29, 2022, 04:32:05 pm
Uvalde, Texas shooting: Sen. Cornyn says blaming police for waiting is ‘distracting and unfair’
Sen. John Cornyn (R-Texas) defended police officers and law enforcement agencies after it was revealed they waited over an hour outside Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas during Tuesday’s mass shooting.
Cornyn said blaming the first responders after the complex incident is "distracting and unfair."
"The second-guessing and finger-pointing among state and local law enforcement is destructive, distracting, and unfair," he said Saturday.
Officers are being criticized amid reports they waited outside the school for more than 70 minutes as suspected gunman Salvador Ramos continued his rampage, ultimately killing 19 students and two teachers.
Click here for more on the story: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/uvalde-texas-shooting-blaming-police-destructive-distracting-cornyn
Posted by Lawrence Richard
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Post by: Bigun on May 29, 2022, 05:04:03 pm
Quote
Sen. John Cornyn (R-Texas) defended police officers and law enforcement agencies after it was revealed they waited over an hour outside Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas during Tuesday’s mass shooting.
Yeah. That figures!
There is NO excuse for any MAN, much less a cop, standing around for even one minute doing nothing in a situation like this orders or no orders! John Cornyn is a F'n idiot!
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Post by: Hoodat on May 29, 2022, 05:05:34 pm
The Biden's will have to add a day to their usual Delaware weekend to make up for this day trip photo-op.
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Post by: mystery-ak on May 29, 2022, 05:28:41 pm
DOJ launches review of police response to Texas school shooting by Olafimihan Oshin - 05/29/22 1:06 PM ET
The Department of Justice (DOJ) on Sunday announced a review of the response by local and federal authorities to last week’s school shooting at an elementary school in Uvalde, Texas
In a statement, DOJ spokesperson Anthony Coley said that Uvalde Mayor Don McLaughlin (R) had asked the department to conduct a Critical Incident Review.
Coley also said that the DOJ’s Office of Community Oriented Policing will handle the investigation.
more https://thehill.com/news/3505442-doj-launches-review-of-police-response-to-texas-school-shooting/
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Post by: Bigun on May 29, 2022, 05:30:37 pm
DOJ launches review of police response to Texas school shooting by Olafimihan Oshin - 05/29/22 1:06 PM ET
The Department of Justice (DOJ) on Sunday announced a review of the response by local and federal authorities to last week’s school shooting at an elementary school in Uvalde, Texas
In a statement, DOJ spokesperson Anthony Coley said that Uvalde Mayor Don McLaughlin (R) had asked the department to conduct a Critical Incident Review.
Coley also said that the DOJ’s Office of Community Oriented Policing will handle the investigation.
more https://thehill.com/news/3505442-doj-launches-review-of-police-response-to-texas-school-shooting/
Sure! That'll fix it! /s
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: jmyrlefuller on May 29, 2022, 05:32:39 pm
NBC News: Salvador Ramos the shooter in Uvalde, TX was found with 15 bullet holes in him after being shot by CBP BORTAC agents and local law enforcement, multiple senior U.S. law enforcement officials tell
A shot gun blast will do that
"He was only killed because he was a POC! If he were white, he'd still be in custody!"
The left, if they weren't busy blaming the NRA.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: sneakypete on May 29, 2022, 06:29:17 pm
As much as I want to see those bozos fired,stripped of their rights to carry weapons,and barred forever from becoming police officers again in the state of Texas,I honestly can't understand how this is the business of the feral goobermint.
There are REAL things those SOB's are supposed to be doing to return America to "The Land of the Free",and they ain't doing it.
This is nothing LESS than giving feral support for new gun control laws.
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Post by: berdie on May 29, 2022, 07:14:10 pm
FWIW, I don't disagree with Cornyn on this. Why not let people bury their dead before starting the finger pointing and blame? I can see how it would inflame passions even higher than they are. The media, in their typical rush to "be the first" to report has possibly done some inaccurate reporting.
I understand Abbott and McCaul's anger if they were given faulty information. Who gave it to them?
Before I shout "hang 'em and hang 'em high" at the leos or the school teacher that left the door open or the campus cop that wasn't on campus I hope we get a more definitive picture of what transpired.
We might not. There has to be a reason that the stand down order was issued. Maybe it wasn't cowardice but protocall. I don't believe that the police that were in the building were standing around jigling the change in their pockets or drawing straws and arguing who would lead the charge.
Were the class rooms not locked down after it was established there was a shooter in the building? I can't believe they weren't. So how the heck did a Mom and off-duty policeman march in and rescue their children?
I hate that the Feds are involved...but since the Border Patrol was, I guess that opened the door.
Soap box put up.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 29, 2022, 07:14:39 pm
Uvalde Schools police chief donated to Beto campaign…
Uvalde Schools Police Chief Peter Arredondo donated a total of $17 to Act Blue and $5 of it was “earmarked for Beto.” The $10 donation was earmarked “Need to Impeach.”
He didn’t give much, but it shows his political motivation.
more https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/uvalde-schools-police-chief-donated-to-beto-campaign/
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Post by: sneakypete on May 29, 2022, 07:52:23 pm
Uvalde Schools Police Chief Peter Arredondo donated a total of $17 to Act Blue and $5 of it was “earmarked for Beto.” The $10 donation was earmarked “Need to Impeach.”
He didn’t give much, but it shows his political motivation.
more https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/uvalde-schools-police-chief-donated-to-beto-campaign/
Biden is the only one I can think of,and that doesn't make any sense since he is a Dim.
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Post by: mystery-ak on May 29, 2022, 07:57:28 pm
Uvalde Police Department Releases Statement: Thankful “Officers Did Not Sustain Any Life Threatening Injuries” After 19 Children And Two Teachers Are Dead By Michael Robison Published May 29, 2022 at 11:39am
more https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/05/uvalde-police-department-releases-statement-thankful-officers-not-sustain-life-threatening-injuries-19-children-two-teachers-dead/
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Post by: Elderberry on May 29, 2022, 08:02:37 pm
2018 was when Beto was running against Cruz.
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Post by: sneakypete on May 29, 2022, 09:12:41 pm
Uvalde Police Department Releases Statement: Thankful “Officers Did Not Sustain Any Life Threatening Injuries” After 19 Children And Two Teachers Are Dead By Michael Robison Published May 29, 2022 at 11:39am
more https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/05/uvalde-police-department-releases-statement-thankful-officers-not-sustain-life-threatening-injuries-19-children-two-teachers-dead/
There is a term that perfectly describes someone totally out of touch with reality that applies here,but I just can't bring it to mind.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 29, 2022, 10:39:12 pm
I imagine there will be more stories like this
Mom of Texas school massacre victim is told her daughter could have lived after being shot through the back but she bled out in the 40 minutes it took for cops to storm classroom - as DOJ launches probe into police response
A Texas mom was told her daughter, who bled out, may have survived the school shooting if police had responded quicker Officers took over an hour to breach Robb Elementary School after gunman Salvador Ramos, 18, opened fire, killing 21 It only takes five minutes for a human being to bleed to death During an interview Sunday, Texas Sen. Ronald Gutierrez claimed the little girl who bled out 'might have lived' if her wounds were treated earlier His claim was echoed by doctors who also said gunshot victims cannot wait The Justice Department announced Sunday it will conduct a Critical Incident Review of the law enforcement response to the school shooting
By Natasha Anderson and Jennifer Smith, Chief Reporter For Dailymail.Com
Published: 13:15 EDT, 29 May 2022 | Updated: 14:19 EDT, 29 May 2022
The mother of a Texas school shooting victim was told by first responders that her daughter may have survived the massacre if authorities had acted quicker.
The fourth-grader, who was among the 19 students killed at Robb Elementary in Uvalde on Tuesday, bled to death after being shot in her kidney.
'Her child had been shot by one bullet through the back through the kidney area,' State Sen. Ronald Gutierrez told CNN Sunday morning. 'The first responder that they eventually talked to said that their child likely bled out. In that span of 30 or 40 minutes extra, that little girl might have lived.'
more https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10865753/Mom-Texas-shooting-victim-bled-learns-daughter-lived-police-acted-quicker.html
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Post by: DB on May 29, 2022, 11:40:02 pm
There is a term that perfectly describes someone totally out of touch with reality that applies here,but I just can't bring it to mind.
Gosh, they wouldn't have sustained any injuries at all if they'd just stayed in the police station... And in fact more children probably would have lived because others that were on site could have gone in like they wanted to instead of being held back by these fine safety first police officers.
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Post by: sneakypete on May 29, 2022, 11:45:48 pm
Gosh, they wouldn't have sustained any injuries at all if they'd just stayed in the police station... And if fact more children probably would have lived because others that were on site could have gone in like they wanted to instead of being held back by these fine safety first police officers.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 30, 2022, 12:56:42 am
Gov. Greg Abbott heckled at memorial for victims of Texas school shooting By Jack Morphet May 29, 2022 4:51pm
Texas Gov. Greg Abbott was heckled by mourners Sunday during a visit to the Texas school where 19 children and two teachers were killed.
“Abbott is a son of a b—h,” said Aracely Villalpando, 59, of Fort Worth.
“It’s awful — he’s not doing anything about gun laws and wants everyone to own a gun,” she said. “A lot of people like guns, and that’s OK, but how can you sell a military rifle to the public?”
Salvador Ramos, 18, entered Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, on Tuesday carrying an AR-15-style assault rifle and killed 19 fourth-graders and two teachers.
Villalpando said US gun laws must be changed now — and that politicians cannot “play around for months and years.”
Abbott, a Republican, visited the school’s makeshift memorial outside as President Biden and first lady Jill Biden also paid their respects there.
more https://nypost.com/2022/05/29/gov-abbott-heckled-at-memorial-for-victims-of-texas-school-shooting/
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 30, 2022, 01:13:21 am
(https://citizenfreepress.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/BorderPatrolHeroUvalde.jpg) Graze wound to the head
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FTo99d2XoAES2jS?format=jpg&name=large) The Border Patrol tactical agent who took down the Uvalde shooter sustained a wound to the head after being brazed by a bullet. He was shot in the leg, but has been discharged from the hospital, per CBP sources. @dcexaminer
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Hoodat on May 30, 2022, 02:56:38 am
Biden's comments on Border Patrol
http://www.youtube.com/shorts/zdbUEkUFdv8
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 30, 2022, 01:36:22 pm
Texas lawmaker says he spoke to Biden about tearing down Uvalde shooting site by Emily Jacobs, Weekend News Editor | May 30, 2022 12:28 AM
A Texas state senator says he discussed tearing down the elementary school where 19 children and two teachers were murdered last week with President Joe Biden on his Sunday visit to Uvalde.
State Sen. Roland Gutierrez, a Democrat whose district includes Uvalde, revealed details of his conversation with Biden in an interview with local station KSAT 12. The commander in chief, who visited Uvalde with first lady Jill Biden on Sunday, met with survivors, victims' families, first responders, and other local officials at a church service after visiting Robb Elementary School, where 18-year-old Salvador Ramos slaughtered a class of fourth graders.
Gutierrez said Biden told him that he would instruct the federal government to assist with the demolition of the campus and the building of a new facility.
"We're going to look to raze that school, build a new one," Gutierrez told the network, quoting Biden. He also quoted the president as saying, "I'm not going away," and, "I'm going to bring you resources."
The Texas Democrat noted how young students from Robb Elementary had expressed deep concern about returning to the site of the sickening massacre, saying, "I can't tell you how many little children that I've talked to that don't want to go into that building. They're just traumatized. They're just destroyed."
Gutierrez added that Biden also committed to providing mental health resources to the community in the wake of the tragic shooting, noting how "this is a community that is going to need therapy. There is one psychiatrist in Uvalde, very few mental health therapists. We're going to change that. It is a must."
If knocked down, Robb Elementary would follow in the footsteps of Sandy Hook Elementary School, where 20-year-old Adam Lanza shot and killed 20 children and six faculty members in 2012. The school, based in Newtown, Connecticut, was torn down and replaced with a new building on the same property. Building a new facility cost about $50 million.
more https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/texas-lawmaker-says-he-spoke-to-biden-about-tearing-down-uvalde-school-shooting-site
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Hoodat on May 30, 2022, 02:02:33 pm
Texas lawmaker says he spoke to Biden about tearing down Uvalde shooting site
Democrat lawmaker exploits the murder of two teachers and 19 children to get US taxpayers to fund construction of a new school in his district.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 30, 2022, 02:03:06 pm
May 30, 2022 1:13am EDT Texas school shooting: Casket maker met with victims' families to make personalized caskets A man has offered to make personalized caskets free of charge for the 19 children who were killed when a gunman opened fire at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas By Lawrence Richard | Fox News
A custom casket maker in Texas is helping the victims and their families in the aftermath of Tuesday’s mass shooting at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas.
Trey Ganem, 50, of SoulShine Industries in Edna, has reached out to and has personally met with many of the families of the deceased and has agreed to construct personalized caskets for them, Fox 26 of Houston reported.
During an interview, Ganem told Fox Houston’s Tiffany Justice that the caskets will be dedicated to each victim and will help their families remember the positives about their life.
"This casket is for an adult, for a very beautiful person, who tried to protect children," Ganem told the outlet, per the report. "I sat with the family. I was drawn to this casket, especially after hearing the stories."
more https://www.foxnews.com/us/texas-school-shooting-personalized-caskets
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on May 30, 2022, 02:22:27 pm
Uvalde, Texas shooting: Sen. Cornyn says blaming police for waiting is ‘distracting and unfair’
Sen. John Cornyn (R-Texas) defended police officers and law enforcement agencies after it was revealed they waited over an hour outside Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas during Tuesday’s mass shooting.
Cornyn said blaming the first responders after the complex incident is "distracting and unfair."
"The second-guessing and finger-pointing among state and local law enforcement is destructive, distracting, and unfair," he said Saturday.
Officers are being criticized amid reports they waited outside the school for more than 70 minutes as suspected gunman Salvador Ramos continued his rampage, ultimately killing 19 students and two teachers.
Click here for more on the story: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/uvalde-texas-shooting-blaming-police-destructive-distracting-cornyn
Posted by Lawrence Richard
The Big Fat RINO Cornyn thinks we need more police like that I suppose.
Memo to Senator: Kids were KILLED by the police action which deliberately permitted an armed, mentally ill person to remain in a room full of little kids for an hour.
Would you have permitted that if one of them was your own kid or grandkid?
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on May 30, 2022, 02:24:50 pm
DOJ launches review of police response to Texas school shooting by Olafimihan Oshin - 05/29/22 1:06 PM ET
The Department of Justice (DOJ) on Sunday announced a review of the response by local and federal authorities to last week’s school shooting at an elementary school in Uvalde, Texas
In a statement, DOJ spokesperson Anthony Coley said that Uvalde Mayor Don McLaughlin (R) had asked the department to conduct a Critical Incident Review.
Coley also said that the DOJ’s Office of Community Oriented Policing will handle the investigation.
more https://thehill.com/news/3505442-doj-launches-review-of-police-response-to-texas-school-shooting/
What in the hell does the mayor of a small city go to the feds rather than to his own state's authorities?
I smell something very politically fishy here going on.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Elderberry on May 30, 2022, 02:26:21 pm
There Have Been 13 Mass School Shootings Since 1966, Not 27 This Year
Reason by Robby Soave 5/26/2022
Don't conflate mass shootings with school shootings.
For many people, the Uvalde, Texas, mass shooting—which claimed the lives of at least 19 children and two adults—seemed all the more horrible after they learned it was the 27th school shooting so far this year. That fact makes it harder to view Uvalde as any kind of isolated incident.
The problem here is that three very differently defined terms are being used somewhat incautiously and interchangeably: school shooting, mass shooting, and mass school shooting. Uvalde was a mass school shooting; the 26 previous tragedies at schools this year were not.
Uvalde is a mass school shooting. This is defined in different ways too: an incident in which at least four people (some counters make it three) are shot and/or killed. The Gun Violence Archive counts incidents in which at least four people were shot. Under this definition, many incidents of street crime and domestic violence count as mass shootings, even if no deaths result. A stricter tally of mass school shootings, conducted by criminologists for Scientific American, only includes incidents where the shootings resulted in at least four deaths. Using their criteria, the number of mass school shootings in the U.S. since the year 1966 is 13. These crimes claimed the lives of 146 people in total.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on May 30, 2022, 02:28:00 pm
(https://citizenfreepress.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/BorderPatrolHeroUvalde.jpg) Graze wound to the head
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FTo99d2XoAES2jS?format=jpg&name=large) The Border Patrol tactical agent who took down the Uvalde shooter sustained a wound to the head after being brazed by a bullet. He was shot in the leg, but has been discharged from the hospital, per CBP sources. @dcexaminer
I suppose that haircut can wait for awhile
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mountaineer on May 30, 2022, 02:55:46 pm
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Don't conflate mass shootings with school shootings.
Mass shootings occur just about every weekend in at least one major city. They generally involve the illicit drug trade, in one way or another.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: AllThatJazzZ on May 30, 2022, 06:26:23 pm
Have we gotten any information about the teacher who propped the door open? I have seen and heard zero follow-up on that very important detail.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mountaineer on May 30, 2022, 06:30:27 pm
One of several unanswered questions. Don't hold your breath waiting for the answer.
If it's reliable information that it was "a teacher", then I can understand why it's not public knowledge today.
Earlier reports state that this 'teacher' heard the truck crash and subsequent gunshots...so why leave a door propped open for a convenience to you?
Create air-flow into the hallways? Sneak a toke? Doesn't make sense.
At the very least he/she should be a "person of interest" right now.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: AllThatJazzZ on May 30, 2022, 08:13:07 pm
If it's reliable information that it was "a teacher", then I can understand why it's not public knowledge today.
Earlier reports state that this 'teacher' heard the truck crash and subsequent gunshots...so why leave a door propped open for a convenience to you?
Create air-flow into the hallways? Sneak a toke? Doesn't make sense.
At the very least he/she should be a "person of interest" right now.
Friday's timeline doesn't support that report. - Teacher propped open door - 11:27 - Gunman car crashes, door still open - 11:28 - Teacher calls 911 - 11:30 - Gunman begins shooting - 11:31
I agree that the teacher should be looked at as a person of interest. Maybe it's because I've been involved with gardening and some other projects, but it seems to me that we're getting no news about that teacher/propped door. The silence is bothering me.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 30, 2022, 10:54:45 pm
Gonzales: Responders in Uvalde Weren’t all on Same Radio Channel, I Asked Biden for Money to Fix That on Sunday
Ian Hanchett 30 May 2022
During an interview with San Antonio’s CBS KENS 5 on Monday, Rep. Tony Gonzales (R-TX) said that during his conversation with President Joe Biden when Biden visited Texas on Sunday, he asked for an additional $23 million in funding on top of $2 million that has already been secured for a mental health hospital in the Uvalde area, thirteen-and-a-half million dollars in funding “for a radio system where all responders can talk to one another.” Which he said is crucial, because, during the school shooting in Uvalde, responders were not all on the same communications channel. And an improved emergency response center in the area.
Gonzales stated, “[W]hat I asked for, I asked for three things in particular for my community: I asked for a mental health hospital, that’s 25 million dollars. I was able to secure two million dollars last year. I need 23 million. I asked for thirteen-and-a-half million for a radio system where all responders can talk to one another. This is important. There’s so much misinformation going on. Because not all the responders were on the same channel, you had firefighters, you had all these other areas. The other thing I asked for was another emergency center.”
more https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2022/05/30/gonzales-responders-in-uvalde-werent-all-on-same-radio-channel-i-asked-biden-for-money-to-fix-that/
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: sneakypete on May 30, 2022, 11:06:15 pm
During an interview with San Antonio’s CBS KENS 5 on Monday, Rep. Tony Gonzales (R-TX) said that during his conversation with President Joe Biden when Biden visited Texas on Sunday, he asked for an additional $23 million in funding on top of $2 million that has already been secured
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Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Bigun on May 31, 2022, 12:22:36 am
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Gonzales: Responders in Uvalde Weren’t all on Same Radio Channel, ...
So? What in the hell does that have to do with anything? IIRC it was VERY hard for the Army to talk to the Navy in Vietnam but the war was still prosecuted! We are talking about ONE bad guy here! Smoke and mirrors being deployed by Mr. Gonzales IMHO.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Hoodat on May 31, 2022, 12:38:26 am
So? What in the hell does that have to do with anything? IIRC it was VERY hard for the Army to talk to the Navy in Vietnam but the war was still prosecuted! We are talking about ONE bad guy here! Smoke and mirrors being deployed by Mr. Gonzales IMHO.
I don't see how that's even true - Emergency radio up in here is run off the same repeaters. Each service has their own access, but there is nothing to stop them from using the same channel if they want to.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: dfwgator on May 31, 2022, 12:54:07 am
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 31, 2022, 01:14:45 am
13mil is a little pricey for hand held radios... :whistle:
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 31, 2022, 01:17:03 am
TX State Sen. Gutierrez: Abbott Is a ‘Coward’ — Children Died Because He Made it Easier to Get Guns
Texas State Sen. Roland Gutierrez (D) said Monday on “MSNBC Reports” said Gov. Greg Abbott (R-TX) was a “coward” who has caused more children to die by making access to guns easier in their state.
Texas State Sen. Roland Gutierrez (D) said Monday on “MSNBC Reports” said Gov. Greg Abbott (R-TX) was a “coward” who has caused more children to die by making access to guns easier in their state. . .
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Gutierrez added, “I have Republican constituents that are calling me saying let’s raise the age limit. I have no problem with the waiting period and no problems with red flags. The only constituents that Greg Abbott is listening to is the NRA. He’s a coward. Let’s be real clear. This man has made it easier and easier for people to access this type of weaponry. Last session, during the open carry bill that they passed, I was one of the last speakers to speak, and the last ten seconds of what I said, I said because of this bill, more kids will die. I never, never, ever thought that that hyperbole would be realized in my own community.
Roland Gutierrez is a lying POS. The Open Carry bill did not make it easier for this murderer to get guns.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on May 31, 2022, 02:38:47 am
They might want to ask Ukraine for the money, since they got it all.
A lot of great communications equipment undoubtedly left in Kabul as well.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Fishrrman on May 31, 2022, 03:42:06 am
(https://i.imgur.com/RXzbzq4.jpeg)
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: 240B on May 31, 2022, 04:25:03 am
Texas police will now only respond to armed emergencies via zoom, for their personal safety, of course....
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: 240B on May 31, 2022, 04:42:39 am
Her name is Angeli Rose Gomez and she is a hero! (https://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aQXN1xw_460s.jpg) She showed the cowardly cops how to do it, and they still refused to move. In fact, they were more likely to shoot her than the killer.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Hoodat on May 31, 2022, 05:04:03 am
They might want to ask Ukraine for the money, since they got it all.
Somebody got that money, but it wasn't Ukraine.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 31, 2022, 07:12:26 am
To pull back from foreign rabbit holes, it is interesting to see the rush to destroy a crime scene. I get that it is particularly hard for some to look at that building right now. Unanswered questions remain.
Why was the suspect not engaged through a window with a suitable rifle? Yes, windows deflect trajectories, but finding a way to lure the suspect to the window would reduce the length of that deflected path, increasing the odds of success, as would having multiple shooters take the suspect down, firing together.
Who propped the door open and why?
Why the delays in entering the room and engaging the suspect?
Some of the wounded likely survived for a while before succumbing to their injuries and dying. Why the delay? Why the assumption that time was not of the essence in getting into the room, subduing the shooter and getting EMS support to the kids? I have previously commented about the "golden hour" for trauma patients, and here it was pissed away through inaction.
Some survived,
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A young survivor of the massacre at a Texas elementary school said she covered herself with a friend's blood and pretended to be dead while she waited for help to arrive.
Miah Cerrillo, 11, told CNN that she and a friend called 911 from her dead teacher's phone Tuesday and waited for what felt like, to her, three hours for officers to arrive at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde.
https://spectrumlocalnews.com/tx/south-texas-el-paso/news/2022/05/27/students-who-survived-texas-school-attack-describe-event (https://spectrumlocalnews.com/tx/south-texas-el-paso/news/2022/05/27/students-who-survived-texas-school-attack-describe-event)...but there is almost no mention of them. (I wouldn't want reporters swarming my kid after surviving something like that, they have been through enough already.) But a number would be nice to see. Others survived, also, in the classrooms where the shooter was active: https://www.ksat.com/news/local/2022/05/27/uvalde-child-survived-by-playing-dead-after-he-was-shot-then-apologized-to-parents-for-bloody-clothes/ (https://www.ksat.com/news/local/2022/05/27/uvalde-child-survived-by-playing-dead-after-he-was-shot-then-apologized-to-parents-for-bloody-clothes/) and https://www.kens5.com/article/news/special-reports/uvalde-school-shooting/uvalde-texas-school-shooting-fourth-grader-student-account-elementary/273-51cc4e26-7a0a-49c0-ba7a-48cdd47fa235 (https://www.kens5.com/article/news/special-reports/uvalde-school-shooting/uvalde-texas-school-shooting-fourth-grader-student-account-elementary/273-51cc4e26-7a0a-49c0-ba7a-48cdd47fa235).
Once again, actions were taken which thwarted ordinary security protocol, permitted the incident, and intensified the results--actions taken by people who should have known better.
Unfortunately, in the heat of the moment, there are far too many (who should be voices of reason) acting to remove Rights from 330,000,000 people which have stood for well over 200 years, Rights which remain essential to our Liberty and ability to defend ourselves against lawlessness like that seen in recent Riots across this country, all because of the actions of a single madman. The mere open presence of rifles like those currently being reviled quite arguably kept smaller towns from experiencing the sort of destruction wreaked upon larger urban areas where laws are more restrictive. Such a counter-demonstration where I live kept everything peaceful, both sides had their say, not a shot fired, no windows broken, and everyone went home.
Those who should be safeguarding those Rights, despite this horrific incident, are not and should lose their jobs.
Keep in mind that before the victims are buried, there are those who are breaking ground on lucrative construction contracts in their mind, while others bury misdeeds and inaction which made the entire event possible and ensured its worst case outcome.
If the goal is prevention of similar incidents, there are a few aspects of this which need more examination, from the breach of security, the failure to identify the shooter beforehand as a potential problem, the routine burying of the shooter's juvenile actions so they did not show up on any background check, where the shooter got the money for the firearms and ammo (on a part time low end job at 18), failure of social media to trip a flag (when they never failed to flag a mention of Hydroxychloroquine, Ivermectin, and ill effects from COVID jabs), any psych eval data that may have existed being hidden behind a firewall, etc.
Perhaps the most effective change could be that expunging of a juvenile record only happen after the juvenile offender has demonstrated behaviour that indicates juvenile actions were a learning experience and not the beginnings of a criminal career, through judicial review, instead of automatically clearing the board at 18. Not only might this deter juvenile misbehaviour, knowing the slate would not be automatically wiped clean at adulthood, at least of those violent juvenile crimes not sufficient to warrant being tried as an adult, but it would provide context for any violations of the law made as an adult. That flag would remain in NICS until removed by a judge. Certainly, randomly shooting people with a BB gun would indicate a disturbing tendency for random violence in the future.
This person apparently had a long history of aberrant behaviour, and there is no assurance that mobing the neighborhood with psych people who consider that sort of behaviour within the spectrum of 'normal' (as in to be celebrated "normal") would ever prevent another such incident in the future, and might only add additional targets to the shooter's list. That the media disguised these tendencies in accounts by muting them as if the shooter was bullied because he could not afford nice clothes instead of wearing miniskirts and posting it on social media distorts the picture as well. There is a point at which nonconformance with culturally ordinaryl behaviour invites derision, especially as a juvenile or child, something which has persisted since the beginning of time, and subsequent claiming to be a victim just doesn't cut it when brandishing behaviour not generally accepted has such a predictable result.
In the end, I see only a grab for more money and more power, not anything that would prevent another incident like this one from happening elsewhere.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on May 31, 2022, 11:45:55 am
In my mind, my main questions are why the police commander has yet to appear in public to explain his actions rather than to get another party in front of cameras to do so.
I am also very suspicious of why the killer's birth certificate has not been made available to the public. If he from North Dakota or Texas? If he actually is here illegally, then the entire house of cards on destroying access to guns falls apart as the emphasis would then be placed on why we permitted him entry here and then allowed him to remain.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 31, 2022, 12:56:29 pm
New footage details ’77 gut-wrenching minutes’ children fled Uvalde school, called 911 for help May 31, 2022 | Chris Donaldson
Terrified children run from their school during a gunman’s rampage as a 911 dispatcher talks to a child trapped in the classroom with the gunman in a chilling new video from last week’s massacre in Uvalde, Texas. the latest insight into the day that shocked America.
In excerpts from the video obtained by ABC News that aired on Monday’s edition of “Good Morning America,” children flee Robb Elementary School where 19 young kids and two teachers were methodically slaughtered by 18-year-old Salvadore Ramos.
Police officers who responded to the scene broke windows as they tried to evacuate students after the gunman opened fire. Also captured in the footage was the dispatcher’s audio of a phone call to law enforcement from a child who was trapped in the classroom that Ramos had entered.
“…advise we do have a child on the line,” the dispatcher said, “Room 12, are we able to… is anybody inside of the building at this…?”
“2-1, child is advising he is in the room, full of victims. Full of victims at this moment.”
more https://www.bizpacreview.com/2022/05/31/new-footage-details-77-gut-wrenching-minutes-children-fled-uvalde-school-called-911-for-help-1244488/
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 31, 2022, 01:13:12 pm
Just Go, Brandon: Infuriated Border Patrol Agents Refuse to Meet with Biden in Uvalde
by Will 31 minutes ago
It was an off duty Border Patrol agent using a borrowed shotgun that saved the remaining children during the horrific Uvalde massacre, not the cops who had been sitting around, acting cowardly and tazing frustrated parents.
As such, Team Biden obviously wanted a photo-op with the Border Patrol when it went to visit Uvalde. Unfortunately for Biden but fortunately for all of us that love seeing that the emperor has no clothes, Biden angered the agents and so they refused to meet with him, as Newsmax pointed out in a recent segment:
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When Biden visited Uvalde, TX, he demanded that the border patrol agents be disarmed if they wanted to meet him.
The best part is that most of the agents chose not to meet him. Let that sink in. They declined to meet the “President of the United States.”
Just Go, Brandon: Infuriated Border Patrol Agents Refuse to Meet with Biden in Uvalde
by Will 31 minutes ago
It was an off duty Border Patrol agent using a borrowed shotgun that saved the remaining children during the horrific Uvalde massacre, not the cops who had been sitting around, acting cowardly and tazing frustrated parents.
As such, Team Biden obviously wanted a photo-op with the Border Patrol when it went to visit Uvalde. Unfortunately for Biden but fortunately for all of us that love seeing that the emperor has no clothes, Biden angered the agents and so they refused to meet with him, as Newsmax pointed out in a recent segment:
Just Go, Brandon: Infuriated Border Patrol Agents Refuse to Meet with Biden in Uvalde
by Will 31 minutes ago
It was an off duty Border Patrol agent using a borrowed shotgun that saved the remaining children during the horrific Uvalde massacre, not the cops who had been sitting around, acting cowardly and tazing frustrated parents.
As such, Team Biden obviously wanted a photo-op with the Border Patrol when it went to visit Uvalde. Unfortunately for Biden but fortunately for all of us that love seeing that the emperor has no clothes, Biden angered the agents and so they refused to meet with him, as Newsmax pointed out in a recent segment:
more https://trendingpolitics.com/just-go-brandon-infuriated-border-patrol-agents-refuse-to-meet-with-biden-in-uvalde-wiley/
Good for them.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mountaineer on May 31, 2022, 01:19:46 pm
The same Border Patrol he falsely accused of whipping those poor innocent illegal immigrants? Yeah, not surprising they'd have no respect for him, POTUS or not.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 31, 2022, 01:33:09 pm
Horrifying Video Emerges Of Man Who Attacked Texas Elementary School By Ryan Saavedra • May 30, 2022 DailyWire.com
A highly disturbing video has emerged showing the man who shot up a Texas Elementary School last week holding up a bag of blood-soaked dead cats.
The video shows the 18-year-old Latino shooter who murdered 19 children smiling while holding up the bag, according to video footage obtained by the New York Post, which was so graphic that the publication had to blur out the bag.
The Daily Wire is not showing the video or using the attacker’s name due to company policy about not giving those responsible for mass casualty events the notoriety that they crave.
The attacker “is seen smiling in the undated footage while sitting in the passenger seat of a pal’s car — holding up a clear plastic bag with at least two bloodied cats visible inside,” the New York Post reported. “The sicko was previously rumored to have had a fascination with dead cats and had threatened to kidnap, kill and rape girls who shunned him online.”
more https://www.dailywire.com/news/horrifying-video-emerges-of-man-who-attacked-texas-elementary-school
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Post by: sneakypete on May 31, 2022, 01:35:09 pm
Her name is Angeli Rose Gomez and she is a hero! (https://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aQXN1xw_460s.jpg) She showed the cowardly cops how to do it, and they still refused to move. In fact, they were more likely to shoot her than the killer.
Horrifying Video Emerges Of Man Who Attacked Texas Elementary School By Ryan Saavedra • May 30, 2022 DailyWire.com
A highly disturbing video has emerged showing the man who shot up a Texas Elementary School last week holding up a bag of blood-soaked dead cats.
The video shows the 18-year-old Latino shooter who murdered 19 children smiling while holding up the bag, according to video footage obtained by the New York Post, which was so graphic that the publication had to blur out the bag.
The Daily Wire is not showing the video or using the attacker’s name due to company policy about not giving those responsible for mass casualty events the notoriety that they crave.
The attacker “is seen smiling in the undated footage while sitting in the passenger seat of a pal’s car — holding up a clear plastic bag with at least two bloodied cats visible inside,” the New York Post reported. “The sicko was previously rumored to have had a fascination with dead cats and had threatened to kidnap, kill and rape girls who shunned him online.”
more https://www.dailywire.com/news/horrifying-video-emerges-of-man-who-attacked-texas-elementary-school
So, he was a developing psychopath, and he was already giving out the classic symptoms that should have been caught by those around him, and resulted in his referral and/or red-flagging.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: sneakypete on May 31, 2022, 01:40:34 pm
Why was the suspect not engaged through a window with a suitable rifle? Yes, windows deflect trajectories, but finding a way to lure the suspect to the window would reduce the length of that deflected path, increasing the odds of success, as would having multiple shooters take the suspect down, firing together.
That is,in fact,what SWAT snipers do when having to shoot through glass. They train for it so that the second shooter isn't distracted by the 1st shot and misses.
Who propped the door open and why?
Why the delays in entering the room and engaging the suspect?
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Post by: Idiot on May 31, 2022, 01:43:00 pm
Horrifying Video Emerges Of Man Who Attacked Texas Elementary School By Ryan Saavedra • May 30, 2022 DailyWire.com
A highly disturbing video has emerged showing the man who shot up a Texas Elementary School last week holding up a bag of blood-soaked dead cats.
The video shows the 18-year-old Latino shooter who murdered 19 children smiling while holding up the bag, according to video footage obtained by the New York Post, which was so graphic that the publication had to blur out the bag.
The Daily Wire is not showing the video or using the attacker’s name due to company policy about not giving those responsible for mass casualty events the notoriety that they crave.
The attacker “is seen smiling in the undated footage while sitting in the passenger seat of a pal’s car — holding up a clear plastic bag with at least two bloodied cats visible inside,” the New York Post reported. “The sicko was previously rumored to have had a fascination with dead cats and had threatened to kidnap, kill and rape girls who shunned him online.”
more https://www.dailywire.com/news/horrifying-video-emerges-of-man-who-attacked-texas-elementary-school
Abusing animals is a clear sign of mental issues. Too bad he didn't receive some type of mental health help. Of course in today's society where boys want to be girls and girls want to be boys, I'm not so sure counseling would have helped.
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Post by: mystery-ak on May 31, 2022, 01:47:09 pm
The video is out there please don't post it here....
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Post by: mystery-ak on May 31, 2022, 01:58:54 pm
Texas School Shooter Made Multiple Rape and Death Threats. Here's Why Nothing Happened to Him. Matt Vespa
Posted: May 31, 2022 6:00 AM
Another mass shooter that was all but saying he was a ticking time bomb—and no one did anything. This seems to be a pattern. Salvador Ramos shot and killed 19 students at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas which has spurred another wave of anti-gun activism, opportunism by desperate Democrats, and all-around sensationalism in the media who are also hoping to use this mass shooting to distract us from the failing Biden presidency. We all know this.
What is keeping these wounds raw is the ongoing investigation into this shooting, specifically the police response which has earned low marks. The Department of Justice is launching an investigation as the Texas Department of Safety is now saying the decision to hold back and not breach the classroom where Ramos was barricaded was the wrong decision. It’s not known yet, but it wouldn’t shock me if this decision to hang back cost lives. It was nearly an hour before police breached the door which could be locked from the inside.
Yet, we’re also getting reports that Ramos was not some quiet kid, at least not online. He posted various death and rape threats. He was reported. And nothing happened (via WaPo):
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He could be cryptic, demeaning and scary, sending angry messages and photos of guns. If they didn’t respond how he wanted, he sometimes threatened to rape or kidnap them — then laughed it off as some big joke.
But the girls and young women who talked with Salvador Ramos online in the months before he killed 19 children in an elementary school in Uvalde, Tex., rarely reported him. His threats seemed too vague, several said in interviews with The Washington Post. One teen who reported Ramos on the social app Yubo said nothing happened as a result.
Some also suspected this was just how teen boys talked on the Internet these days — a blend of rage and misogyny so predictable they could barely tell each one apart. One girl, discussing moments when he had been creepy and threatening, said that was just “how online is.”
In the aftermath of the deadliest school shooting in a decade, many have asked what more could have been done — how an 18-year-old who spewed so much hate to so many on the Web could do so without provoking punishment or raising alarm.
But these threats hadn’t been discovered by parents, friends or teachers. They’d been seen by strangers, many of whom had never met him and had found him only through the social messaging and video apps that form the bedrock of modern teen life.
[…]
The girls who spoke with The Post lived around the world but met Ramos on Yubo, an app that mixes live-streaming and social networking and has become known as a “Tinder for teens.” The Yubo app has been downloaded more than 18 million times in the U.S., including more than 200,000 times last month, according to estimates from the analytics firm Sensor Tower.
On Yubo, people can gather in big real-time chatrooms, known as panels, to talk, type messages and share videos — the digital equivalent of a real-world hangout. Ramos, they said, struck up side conversations with them and followed them onto other platforms, including Instagram, where he could send direct messages whenever he wanted.
But over time they saw a darker side, as he posted images of dead cats, texted them strange messages and joked about sexual assault, they said. In a video from a live Yubo chatroom that listeners had recorded and was reviewed by The Post, Ramos could be heard saying, “Everyone in this world deserves to get raped.”
A 16-year-old boy in Austin who said he saw Ramos frequently in Yubo panels, told The Post that Ramos frequently made aggressive, sexual comments to young women on the app and sent him a death threat during one panel in January.
more https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2022/05/31/texas-school-shooter-made-multiple-rape-and-death-threats-heres-why-nothing-hap-n2607973
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Bigun on May 31, 2022, 01:59:15 pm
Texas School Shooter Made Multiple Rape and Death Threats. Here's Why Nothing Happened to Him. Matt Vespa
Posted: May 31, 2022 6:00 AM
Another mass shooter that was all but saying he was a ticking time bomb—and no one did anything. This seems to be a pattern. Salvador Ramos shot and killed 19 students at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas which has spurred another wave of anti-gun activism, opportunism by desperate Democrats, and all-around sensationalism in the media who are also hoping to use this mass shooting to distract us from the failing Biden presidency. We all know this.
What is keeping these wounds raw is the ongoing investigation into this shooting, specifically the police response which has earned low marks. The Department of Justice is launching an investigation as the Texas Department of Safety is now saying the decision to hold back and not breach the classroom where Ramos was barricaded was the wrong decision. It’s not known yet, but it wouldn’t shock me if this decision to hang back cost lives. It was nearly an hour before police breached the door which could be locked from the inside.
Yet, we’re also getting reports that Ramos was not some quiet kid, at least not online. He posted various death and rape threats. He was reported. And nothing happened (via WaPo):
more https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2022/05/31/texas-school-shooter-made-multiple-rape-and-death-threats-heres-why-nothing-hap-n2607973
All of the signs were there, plain as day for those who could see.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Bigun on May 31, 2022, 02:04:52 pm
Have we gotten any information about the teacher who propped the door open? I have seen and heard zero follow-up on that very important detail.
Who propped the door, and why?
How did a guy with no income - only a previous job at Wendy's - buy $5,000 worth of guns, ammo and gear?
How many children were wounded/injured? Their conditions? We are hearing only of the deceased children and two teachers.
This guy has asked a lot of questions: https://twitter.com/Tinker_Sparked/status/1530916192021622791 https://twitter.com/Tinker_Sparked/status/1529785725603954688
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Post by: mystery-ak on May 31, 2022, 03:10:12 pm
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 31, 2022, 03:31:47 pm
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 31, 2022, 03:45:20 pm
The hill @thehill
Texas senator: "Finger pointing" at authorities after shooting "destructive, distracting, and unfair" https://trib.al/jB719Pq
Charlie Spiering @charliespiering 5m Biden says he met with about 250 family members of the shooting victims in Texas for almost four hours. "Nobody left."
We'll find out if that's true...
Charlie Spiering @charliespiering Joe Biden: "I've been to more mass shooting aftermaths than I think any president in American history unfortunately.” 11:57 AM · May 31, 2022
How the heck does one attend or "go" to an aftermath? What an idiot.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: txradioguy on May 31, 2022, 04:09:09 pm
Charlie Spiering @charliespiering Joe Biden: "I've been to more mass shooting aftermaths than I think any president in American history unfortunately.” 11:57 AM · May 31, 2022
How the heck does one attend or "go" to an aftermath? What an idiot.
If I read the story correctly...he said something similar to that today in a meeting with the PM of New Zealand.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 31, 2022, 06:01:11 pm
No matter what he does, it is guaranteed to be the wrong thing, focused on answering the wrong questions. I would prefer he do nothing at all, and the same goes for Congress, since it is almost guaranteed anything they do will be the wrong thing, too.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Kamaji on May 31, 2022, 07:11:53 pm
No matter what he does, it is guaranteed to be the wrong thing, focused on answering the wrong questions. I would prefer he do nothing at all, and the same goes for Congress, since it is almost guaranteed anything they do will be the wrong thing, too.
:thumbsup:
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 31, 2022, 07:59:31 pm
No, that's not the problem. Guns used to be a lot more prevalent than they are now, and used to be much easier to acquire than they are now - think mail order armories - and yet, back in the day, there were a lot less of these shootings. So, whatever has changed in American culture, it's not the prevalence of guns.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Kamaji on May 31, 2022, 08:13:20 pm
Just when I think the level of stupid in this administration can go no lower, they accept it as a challenge...and beat my expectations.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 31, 2022, 09:07:59 pm
May 31, 2022 3:48pm EDT Texas school shooting suspect's grandmother upgraded to good condition one week after being shot in the face Salvador Ramos allegedly shot his grandmother in the face before going on a rampage at nearby Robb Elementary School By Paul Best | Fox News
Texas school shooting suspect Salvador Ramos's grandmother was upgraded to "good condition" on Tuesday, exactly one week after her grandson shot her in the face before going on a rampage at an elementary school less than a mile from her home.
The 66-year-old woman was transported to San Antonio by helicopter in critical condition immediately after the shooting. She was in serious condition all week before University Health upgraded her to "fair condition" on Sunday.
The hospital has also been treating three other victims of the tragedy. A 10-year-old girl was discharged on Friday, while another 10-year-old girl was in serious condition and a 9-year-old girl was in good condition on Tuesday.
Two adult victims at Brooke Army Medical Center were also in good condition on Monday.
more https://www.foxnews.com/us/texas-uvalde-school-shooting-suspect-grandmother-upgraded
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Post by: mystery-ak on May 31, 2022, 09:09:14 pm
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His grandmother was able to run across the street to a neighbor's house and call 911 after being shot. Her husband, Rolando Reyes, told Fox News Digital last week that his wife was conscious but couldn't speak the day after the shooting and was undergoing surgery.
Wow I didn't realize she was able to do this..
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 31, 2022, 10:22:24 pm
May 31, 2022 5:23pm EDT Texas school shooting: Lawyer says teacher closed door that gunman entered after propping it open Texas DPS says the Uvalde teacher left a door ajar that 'wasn’t supposed to be propped open, it was supposed to be locked' By Paul Best | Fox News
A lawyer for a Uvalde teacher that the Texas Department of Public Safety says left a door ajar just before a gunman entered Robb Elementary School is contesting that timeline, saying that the teacher actually closed the door as she called 911 when she saw there was an active shooter.
"She saw the wreck… She ran back inside to get her phone to report the accident. She came back out while on the phone with 911. The men at the funeral home yelled, ‘He has a gun!’ She saw him jump the fence, and he had a gun so she ran back inside," Don Flanary, a lawyer for the teacher, told San Antonio Express-News on Tuesday.
"She kicked the rock away when she went back in. She remembers pulling the door closed while telling 911 that he was shooting. She thought the door would lock because that door is always supposed to be locked."
Texas DPS Director Steven McCraw said Friday that the teacher propped open a door on the west side of the building at 11:27 a.m., just one minute before Salvador Ramos crashed a truck about 100 yards from the school and started firing shots at two people who were standing outside a nearby funeral home.
"The teacher runs to the room 132 to retrieve a phone, and that same team teacher walks back to the exit door and door remains propped open," McCraw said Friday.
"The bottom line is, we’ve reported what happened is that back door was propped open, it wasn’t supposed to be propped open, it was supposed to be locked. And certainly the teacher that went back for her cell phone, propped it open again. So that was an access point that the subject used."
more https://www.foxnews.com/us/texas-school-shooting-lawyer-says-teacher-closed-door-gunman-entered-propping-open
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Post by: mystery-ak on May 31, 2022, 10:23:31 pm
Still not naming the teacher but she has lawyer-ed up...
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 31, 2022, 10:33:24 pm
Uvalde police, school district no longer cooperating with Texas probe of shooting
Texas officials are probing law enforcement's response to last week's massacre. Video byJessie DiMartino ByJosh Margolin and Aaron Katersky May 31, 2022, 4:10 PM
The Uvalde Police Department and the Uvalde Independent School District police force are no longer cooperating with the Texas Department of Public Safety's investigation into the massacre at Robb Elementary School and the state's review of the law enforcement response, multiple law enforcement sources tell ABC News.
A spokesman for Texas DPS, which is running the state's investigations, declined to comment.
The Uvalde police chief and a spokesperson for the Uvalde Independent School District did not immediately respond to requests for comment from ABC News.
According to sources, the decision to stop cooperating occurred soon after the director of DPS, Col. Steven McCraw, held a news conference Friday during which he said the delayed police entry into the classroom was "the wrong decision" and contrary to protocol.
Last Tuesday's attack, one of the worst school shootings in U.S. history, left 19 children and two adults dead.
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Post by: mystery-ak on May 31, 2022, 10:49:11 pm
Is this new...I don't remember posting this info?
Texas shooter’s grandmother was a teacher’s aide at Robb Elementary School By MaryAnn Martinez May 31, 2022 3:34pm
The grandmother of the crazed gunman who killed 21 at a Texas elementary school last week worked at the school as a teacher’s aide, a close friend of the family told The Post.
The friend, who asked to be kept anonymous, did not know if that’s why Salvador Ramos, 18, chose Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, as his target — but his grandmother’s employment there is the first direct link between Ramos and the school, which is a half-mile from her home.
“His grandmother worked in one of those classrooms a lot of the time,” the friend told The Post. “She knows a lot of the kids who died and was close to them.”
Before Ramos went on a rampage at the school, he shot his grandmother, Celia “Sally” Martinez Gonzales, in the face at her home. While Gonzales was employed by the school at the time of the shooting, according to the friend and public records, it’s not clear why she was not there on the day of the attack.
The teenager had been sleeping on his grandparents’ couch two or three months before the shooting, Ramos’ grandfather previously told The Post. The husband said his 66-year-old wife had asked Ramos to start paying for his own cellphone bill just before the shooting happened.
more https://nypost.com/2022/05/31/texas-shooters-grandma-taught-at-robb-elementary-school/
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 31, 2022, 11:03:19 pm
Bill Melugin @BillFOXLA · 44m NEW: The Uvalde school district police chief, Pete Arredondo, has not responded in two days to a request from Texas Rangers asking for a follow up interview regarding the mass shooting, per @TxDPS . Uvalde PD and Uvalde school district police have been cooperating. @FoxNews
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: 240B on May 31, 2022, 11:24:25 pm
He can afford thousands of dollars in arms and ammo, but he cannot afford to pay his cellphone or rent? I would definitely investigate where the arms came from. And where the money to buy them materialized. Have friends who are married with a stable job for years who want this or that weapon but cannot afford it. Yet apparently money or background check was no problem for this very young freak, unemployed psycho.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Free Vulcan on June 01, 2022, 12:15:06 am
Bill Melugin @BillFOXLA · 44m NEW: The Uvalde school district police chief, Pete Arredondo, has not responded in two days to a request from Texas Rangers asking for a follow up interview regarding the mass shooting, per @TxDPS . Uvalde PD and Uvalde school district police have been cooperating. @FoxNews
Arredondo's actions make him look like a left-wing provocateur that let those kids be killed so as to aid a kneejerk woke leftist reaction into grabbing our guns.
This guy should be under criminal investigation.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on June 01, 2022, 12:24:18 am
I'm at a loss for words...a person may not be able to get a gun but there are other weapons he can use so it's IMPORTANT to secure the schools....
Yep, the perp could have walked in with a kitchen knife and hacked to death more little kids than he did with $5000 worth of equipment.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on June 01, 2022, 12:34:37 am
Uvalde police, school district no longer cooperating with Texas probe of shooting
Texas officials are probing law enforcement's response to last week's massacre. Video byJessie DiMartino ByJosh Margolin and Aaron Katersky May 31, 2022, 4:10 PM
The Uvalde Police Department and the Uvalde Independent School District police force are no longer cooperating with the Texas Department of Public Safety's investigation into the massacre at Robb Elementary School and the state's review of the law enforcement response, multiple law enforcement sources tell ABC News.
A spokesman for Texas DPS, which is running the state's investigations, declined to comment.
The Uvalde police chief and a spokesperson for the Uvalde Independent School District did not immediately respond to requests for comment from ABC News.
According to sources, the decision to stop cooperating occurred soon after the director of DPS, Col. Steven McCraw, held a news conference Friday during which he said the delayed police entry into the classroom was "the wrong decision" and contrary to protocol.
Last Tuesday's attack, one of the worst school shootings in U.S. history, left 19 children and two adults dead.
This is getting pretty fishy. The State of Texas is the primary authority here. To not cooperate is only possible if the federal government has the City's back.
How could that be unless the government and city are hiding something important? Maybe he is illegal after all so the usage of this incident for gun control morphs into an incident to stop illegals from entering. Not what the feds want at all to happen, but something Texans would certainly support.
Are we are all watching a gigantic coverup happening before our eyes?
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on June 01, 2022, 12:39:37 am
Arredondo's actions make him look like a left-wing provocateur that let those kids be killed so as to aid a kneejerk woke leftist reaction into grabbing our guns.
This guy should be under criminal investigation.
No, he will be rewarded with a promotion. https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,470600.msg2648640.html#msg2648640
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: 240B on June 01, 2022, 12:49:54 am
Arredondo's actions make him look like a left-wing provocateur that let those kids be killed so as to aid a kneejerk woke leftist reaction into grabbing our guns.
Yes. It does seem like his actions were purposeful and intentional. Maybe following orders for someone else? Either that or he is a retarded fool. Remember, the border patrol who went in to kill the shooter did so AGAINST orders. They were ordered to stand down and said F**K THAT! and went in anyway. They likely saved several children by doing so. If left up to Arrendondo, they would still be waiting. What was Arrendondo waiting for?
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Elderberry on June 01, 2022, 01:29:19 am
Lawyer: Uvalde teacher did not leave door open that gunman used to enter Robb Elementary School
San Antonio Express by Guillermo Contreras 5/31/2022
An employee at Robb Elementary School had propped open a door to carry food from a car to the classroom last Tuesday, but closed it shut after realizing that a gunman was loose and heading toward the school, her San Antonio lawyer said.
“She saw the wreck,” Flanary said. “She ran back inside to get her phone to report the accident. She came back out while on the phone with 911. The men at the funeral home yelled, ‘He has a gun!’ She saw him jump the fence, and he had a gun so she ran back inside.
“She kicked the rock away when she went back in. She remembers pulling the door closed while telling 911 that he was shooting. She thought the door would lock because that door is always supposed to be locked.”
Both Flanary and the source said a person exiting through the door might not be able to tell if it was locked.
The source said at least one other school employee has reported to federal agents and DPS that at least one other door in the building did not lock, so investigators are looking into that report. Investigators also have received reports that another entry/exit door into the building was open during school hours, the source said.
More at link.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: 240B on June 01, 2022, 12:03:42 pm
Apparently, the story as of today is that the doors do not lock. The only reason she propped it open is because she was carrying food. I guess. It is very difficult to get any straight story coming from the authorities in Texas. Seems to be a full blown cover-up. At least as much as they can get away with.
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Post by: Smokin Joe on June 01, 2022, 12:06:05 pm
I'm at a loss for words...a person may not be able to get a gun but there are other weapons he can use so it's IMPORTANT to secure the schools....
The Uvalde shooter could have done just as much murder with a hatchet or a machete or a hammer. The kids were defenseless with the security protocols violated.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Smokin Joe on June 01, 2022, 12:09:21 pm
Yes. It does seem like his actions were purposeful and intentional. Maybe following orders for someone else? Either that or he is a retarded fool. Remember, the border patrol who went in to kill the shooter did so AGAINST orders. They were ordered to stand down and said F**K THAT! and went in anyway. They likely saved several children by doing so. If left up to Arrendondo, they would still be waiting. What was Arrendondo waiting for?
How long can kids cower behind a table cloth without making a sound? How long can an injured little girl who had the phenomenal presence of mind to smear herself with her dying friend's blood lay still among her dead and dying friends and play dead?
Time was of the essence.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Kamaji on June 01, 2022, 12:32:54 pm
Uvalde School District Police Chief No Longer Cooperating with Investigation
Rebecca Downs Jun 01, 2022
A week after the tragic shooting at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, details are increasingly emerging that change the original timelines that were given. The updates, as it turns out, are often more tragic and infuriating.
Matt highlighted on Friday afternoon how the Texas Department of Public Safety, Col. Steven C. McCraw explained that they had made the decision for officers to not go in to engage with the shooter, Salvador Rolando Ramos, the 18-year old who is now deceased. This happened all while Ramos murdered 21 people, as parents desperately tried to go in to save their children but were physically prevented from doing so by police. McGraw also acknowledged that that was a mistake, calling it "not the right decision," and saying "it was the wrong decision."
The incompetency and mistakes are getting even more heartbreaking, though. ABC News reported on Tuesday night that "Uvalde police, school district no longer cooperating with Texas probe of shooting: Sources."
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Post by: 240B on June 01, 2022, 12:44:24 pm
If Arrendondo is not fired for this, it will be a stain on police departments all across America. It will prove that their primary goals are 'political' rather than functional or professional. Police Chiefs are just another jelly boned gutless politician instead of being a real Law Enforcement Officer.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Cyber Liberty on June 01, 2022, 01:13:14 pm
If Arrendondo is not fired for this, it will be a stain on police departments all across America. It will prove that their primary goals are 'political' rather than functional or professional. Police Chiefs are just another jelly boned gutless politician instead of being a real Law Enforcement Officer.
He'll have to do his damage as a new City Council member, as he won his election back before he dropped all those balls.
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Post by: mystery-ak on June 01, 2022, 01:43:48 pm
FNC’s Carlson: Politicians Call for Militarizing Schools — Can’t Answer Why the Military Force Outside the School Refused to Stop the Killing
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on June 01, 2022, 02:00:40 pm
:shrug:
Uvalde Law Enforcement Still Cooperating in Investigation Contrary to Sensational Media Reports
Some media outlets incorrectly claim cooperation between state and local police officials in the investigation of the Robb Elementary School shooting stopped. Specifically, some claim the Uvalde Police Department (UPD) and the Uvalde Consolidated Independent School District Police Department (UCISDPD) stopped cooperating with an investigation led by the Texas Department of Public Safety (DPS) into the shooting that left 19 children and two adults dead and dozens wounded.
Bob Price and Randy Clark31 May 2022, 8:08 PM PDT
more https://www.breitbart.com/border/2022/05/31/uvalde-law-enforcement-still-cooperating-in-investigation-contrary-to-sensational-media-reports/
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on June 01, 2022, 02:15:20 pm
May 31, 2022 10:29pm EDT Uvalde school police chief sworn in as city council member despite not responding to state investigators Pete Arredondo became police chief for the Uvalde school district in 2020 and was elected to city council this month By Paul Best | Fox News
Uvalde school police chief Pete Arredondo was formally sworn in as a new city council member on Tuesday, despite not responding to a request for a follow-up interview from the Texas Rangers who are investigating last week's school shooting.
"Uvalde City Council members were sworn in today as per the City Charter. Out of respect for the families who buried their children today, and who are planning to bury their children in the next few days, no ceremony was held," Uvalde Mayor Don McLaughlin said Tuesday evening.
"Our parents deserve answers and I trust the Texas Department of Public Safety/Texas Rangers will leave no stone unturned."
more https://www.foxnews.com/us/uvalde-school-police-chief-sworn-city-council-member-state-investigators
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on June 01, 2022, 02:26:08 pm
‘Lock malfunctioned’: Surveillance shows teacher slammed door shut, called 911 as shooter climbed gate June 1, 2022 | Terresa Monroe-Hamilton
Despite previous claims by Uvalde police, the unnamed teacher at Robb Elementary School who propped open a school door with a rock, reportedly closed it when she heard gunshots, but it didn’t lock and the killer gained access.
New surveillance footage shows that the teacher who was blamed for propping open the door so food could be brought into the school was not at fault for the gunman slaughtering 19 children and two adults, refuting prior statements to the press by Texas Department of Safety Director Steve McCraw. The teacher’s attorney asserts she closed the door as she heard gunshots being fired at funeral home employees.
“She saw the wreck. She ran back inside to get her phone to report the accident. She came back out while on the phone with 911. The men at the funeral home yelled, ‘He has a gun!’ She saw him jump the fence, and he had a gun so she ran back inside,” the teacher’s attorney Don Flanary stated, according to the Houston Chronicle.
The teacher called 911 and slammed the door shut, according to the lawyer.
“She kicked the rock away when she went back in. She remembers pulling the door closed while telling 911 that he was shooting. She thought the door would lock because that door is always supposed to be locked,” Flanary asserted.
more https://www.bizpacreview.com/2022/06/01/lock-malfunctioned-surveillance-shows-teacher-slammed-door-shut-called-911-as-shooter-climbed-gate-1244789/
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on June 01, 2022, 02:27:03 pm
Were there cameras near the door that recorded this?....lots of questions.. 888mouth
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on June 01, 2022, 03:12:11 pm
Heartbreaking images emerge of customized children's caskets featuring basketballs, musical notes, Pokemon and the TikTok logo being made for victims of Texas school massacre
Trey Ganem, owner of Soul Shine Industries, has made customized caskets for 18 of the 19 children killed in Uvalde and one of the two adults Ganem's caskets usually cost around $3,400 but he has given them to the families for free Ganem and his son Billy have worked around the clock at his Edna, Texas, base to get the caskets made in time They have had volunteers travel from as far as Corpus Christi, Texas, to help paint, sand, and apply vinyl to the child-size caskets Relatives have requested TikTok logos, slime, dinosaurs and llamas on their loved ones' caskets On Tuesday the first funeral was held, for Amerie Jo Garza, 10 - one of the first to be killed, murdered while calling 911 to get help for her friends Eleven more funerals will be held this week for the 21 victims, with the rest taking place next week
By Harriet Alexander For Dailymail.com
Published: 23:38 EDT, 31 May 2022 | Updated: 08:47 EDT, 1 June 2022
more w/photos https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10873371/PICTURED-Customized-caskets-basketballs-musical-notes-Pokemon-TikTok-Texas-victims.html
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: DB on June 01, 2022, 05:04:35 pm
Were there cameras near the door that recorded this?....lots of questions.. 888mouth
The simple truth is if someone wanted into the school, the door would make little difference. Unless all the windows are barred, which can't be done for fire safety reasons, they are easily breached.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Smokin Joe on June 01, 2022, 05:22:08 pm
Heartbreaking images emerge of customized children's caskets featuring basketballs, musical notes, Pokemon and the TikTok logo being made for victims of Texas school massacre
Trey Ganem, owner of Soul Shine Industries, has made customized caskets for 18 of the 19 children killed in Uvalde and one of the two adults Ganem's caskets usually cost around $3,400 but he has given them to the families for free Ganem and his son Billy have worked around the clock at his Edna, Texas, base to get the caskets made in time They have had volunteers travel from as far as Corpus Christi, Texas, to help paint, sand, and apply vinyl to the child-size caskets Relatives have requested TikTok logos, slime, dinosaurs and llamas on their loved ones' caskets On Tuesday the first funeral was held, for Amerie Jo Garza, 10 - one of the first to be killed, murdered while calling 911 to get help for her friends Eleven more funerals will be held this week for the 21 victims, with the rest taking place next week
By Harriet Alexander For Dailymail.com
Published: 23:38 EDT, 31 May 2022 | Updated: 08:47 EDT, 1 June 2022
more w/photos https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10873371/PICTURED-Customized-caskets-basketballs-musical-notes-Pokemon-TikTok-Texas-victims.html
That post made my screen go blurry for a moment...
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on June 01, 2022, 07:40:40 pm
If Arrendondo is not fired for this, it will be a stain on police departments all across America. It will prove that their primary goals are 'political' rather than functional or professional. Police Chiefs are just another jelly boned gutless politician instead of being a real Law Enforcement Officer.
He does not need to be fired as he is no longer on that job.
He is already switched jobs for a better position on the city council.
See the pattern?
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Smokin Joe on June 01, 2022, 07:44:33 pm
He does not need to be fired as he is no longer on that job.
He is already switched jobs for a better position on the city council.
See the pattern?
Advance to the highest level of incompetence...AKA The Peter Principle
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on June 01, 2022, 07:45:48 pm
‘Lock malfunctioned’: Surveillance shows teacher slammed door shut, called 911 as shooter climbed gate June 1, 2022 | Terresa Monroe-Hamilton
Despite previous claims by Uvalde police, the unnamed teacher at Robb Elementary School who propped open a school door with a rock, reportedly closed it when she heard gunshots, but it didn’t lock and the killer gained access.
New surveillance footage shows that the teacher who was blamed for propping open the door so food could be brought into the school was not at fault for the gunman slaughtering 19 children and two adults, refuting prior statements to the press by Texas Department of Safety Director Steve McCraw. The teacher’s attorney asserts she closed the door as she heard gunshots being fired at funeral home employees.
“She saw the wreck. She ran back inside to get her phone to report the accident. She came back out while on the phone with 911. The men at the funeral home yelled, ‘He has a gun!’ She saw him jump the fence, and he had a gun so she ran back inside,” the teacher’s attorney Don Flanary stated, according to the Houston Chronicle.
The teacher called 911 and slammed the door shut, according to the lawyer.
“She kicked the rock away when she went back in. She remembers pulling the door closed while telling 911 that he was shooting. She thought the door would lock because that door is always supposed to be locked,” Flanary asserted.
more https://www.bizpacreview.com/2022/06/01/lock-malfunctioned-surveillance-shows-teacher-slammed-door-shut-called-911-as-shooter-climbed-gate-1244789/
I have a simple surveillance system(like a RING) purchased from Best Buy for $200 that permits me to place 4 cameras where I can see all doors of entry easily and videos stored in memory.
I wonder why this is not deployed at a school like this?
Or if it is, where is the footage to backup this claim?
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Idiot on June 01, 2022, 07:46:17 pm
Heartbreaking images emerge of customized children's caskets featuring basketballs, musical notes, Pokemon and the TikTok logo being made for victims of Texas school massacre
Trey Ganem, owner of Soul Shine Industries, has made customized caskets for 18 of the 19 children killed in Uvalde and one of the two adults Ganem's caskets usually cost around $3,400 but he has given them to the families for free Ganem and his son Billy have worked around the clock at his Edna, Texas, base to get the caskets made in time They have had volunteers travel from as far as Corpus Christi, Texas, to help paint, sand, and apply vinyl to the child-size caskets Relatives have requested TikTok logos, slime, dinosaurs and llamas on their loved ones' caskets On Tuesday the first funeral was held, for Amerie Jo Garza, 10 - one of the first to be killed, murdered while calling 911 to get help for her friends Eleven more funerals will be held this week for the 21 victims, with the rest taking place next week
By Harriet Alexander For Dailymail.com
Published: 23:38 EDT, 31 May 2022 | Updated: 08:47 EDT, 1 June 2022
more w/photos https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10873371/PICTURED-Customized-caskets-basketballs-musical-notes-Pokemon-TikTok-Texas-victims.html
I couldn't look at them.....
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on June 01, 2022, 07:47:01 pm
The simple truth is if someone wanted into the school, the door would make little difference. Unless all the windows are barred, which can't be done for fire safety reasons, they are easily breached.
Sure they can be easily breached, unless you are the police who are scared to do so.
Only the mentally ill can breach them.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on June 01, 2022, 08:22:14 pm
June 1, 2022 2:31pm EDT Uvalde school district assured parents students were safe, building was 'secure' minutes after gunman entered Robb Elementary later reported an 'active shooter'
By Greg Norman | Fox News
A Facebook post by Robb Elementary as the Uvalde school shooting was unfolding insisted to parents that "students and staff are safe in the building," despite gunman Salvador Ramos entering minutes earlier.
The message, attributed to Anne Marie Espinoza, executive director of communications and marketing at the Uvalde Consolidated Independent School District, instructed the community at 11:43 a.m. local time May 24 that "Robb Elementary is under a Lockdown status."
"Robb Elementary Parents: Please know at this time Robb Elementary is under a Lockdown Status due to gunshots in the area," the message said.
"The students and staff are safe in the building. The building is secure in a Lockdown Status," it continued. "Your cooperation is needed at this time by not visiting the campus. As soon as the Lockdown Status is lifted you will be notified."
more https://www.foxnews.com/us/uvalde-school-robb-elementary-facebook-post
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Cyber Liberty on June 01, 2022, 08:48:30 pm
He does not need to be fired as he is no longer on that job.
He is already switched jobs for a better position on the city council.
See the pattern?
So this proves what I said. He is 95% politician and maybe 5% Cop. That's why he didn't want to act. He did what all politicians do when faced with an important decision with an uncertain outcome. All politicians will choose to do nothing until someone else makes an actual decision. That's exactly what he did. He told everybody to stand down hoping the situation would just go away and resolve itself on its own.
He was willing to sacrifice those children to keep from doing anything which may affect his City Council seat. He is a slimey politician, not a 'first responder' or a 'law enforcement officer'.
Can anyone see this guy as a firefighter? He would let the building burn down, cool, and 'declared safe', before going in to rescue anybody.
Cannot imagine how this guy lives with himself. Do not know how he sleeps at night. But he is a politician so ... no conscience I guess?
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on June 02, 2022, 01:48:49 am
TBH, City Councilman pay is for shit. He needs the pretend cop gig to pay the rent.
Now that we know what type of person he is, he can use his current position to get the rent paid politically. As a bonus compared to his last job, he does not have to report it to IRS either.
He who controls the purse strings controls.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on June 02, 2022, 01:49:48 am
So this proves what I said. He is 95% politician and maybe 5% Cop. That's why he didn't want to act. He did what all politicians do when faced with an important decision with an uncertain outcome. All politicians will choose to do nothing until someone else makes an actual decision. That's exactly what he did. He told everybody to stand down hoping the situation would just go away and resolve itself on its own.
He was willing to sacrifice those children to keep from doing anything which may affect his City Council seat. He is a slimey politician, not a 'first responder' or a 'law enforcement officer'.
Can anyone see this guy as a firefighter? He would let the building burn down, cool, and 'declared safe', before going in to rescue anybody.
Cannot imagine how this guy lives with himself. Do not know how he sleeps at night. But he is a politician so ... no conscience I guess?
Exactly
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on June 02, 2022, 01:01:12 pm
Six questions as investigators probe Uvalde police response to school shooting by Anna Giaritelli, Homeland Security Reporter | | June 02, 2022 06:59 AM
AUSTIN, Texas — More than a week since a teenager opened fire on young children and teachers at an elementary school in southwest Texas, much remains unknown about why police did not run into the building and what investigators have learned about their response.
As funerals for the 21 victims of the attack on Robb Elementary School in Uvalde began Tuesday, the families and friends of the victims had yet to hear more about the 18-year-old killer or why federal agents from Border Patrol were the ones to lead the charge in taking down the shooter instead of the city's SWAT team. Below are answers to some of the top questions regarding the investigation:
Who is investigating the police response to the Uvalde school shooting?
The Texas Department of Public Safety’s Ranger Division announced its own investigation.
The U.S. Justice Department on Sunday opened a critical incident review at the request of Uvalde Mayor Don McLaughlin.
more https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/six-questions-as-investigators-probe-uvalde-police-response-to-school-shooting
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on June 02, 2022, 01:05:41 pm
June 2, 2022 8:16am EDT Texas school shooting: Uvalde mayor details how negotiator tried to call Salvador Ramos Uvalde Mayor Don McLaughlin speaks about Robb Elementary shooting response
By Greg Norman | Fox News
A negotiator stationed at a funeral home near Robb Elementary as the Uvalde school shooting was unfolding was trying "every number they could find" to reach gunman Salvador Ramos, the city's mayor has revealed.
Uvalde Mayor Don McLaughlin, in an interview with The Washington Post, said the negotiator ultimately was unable to make contact with the 18-year-old, who killed 19 students and two teachers in the attack.
"His main goal was to try to get this person on the phone," McLaughlin said. "They tried every number they could find."
The mayor told The Washington Post that he doesn’t believe the negotiator was aware that there were children calling 911 from inside the classroom that Ramos entered, asking police for help.
more https://www.foxnews.com/us/texas-school-shooting-uvalde-mayor-negotiator
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on June 02, 2022, 04:45:19 pm
Uvalde students won’t return to Robb Elementary School by Caroline Vakil - 06/02/22 11:08 AM ET
The superintendent of the Uvalde, Texas, school district announced on Wednesday that students will not be returning to Robb Elementary School after the mass shooting there last week that left 19 children and two adults dead.
“Students and staff will not be returning to the Robb Elementary campus. We are working through plans on how to serve students on other campuses and will provide that information as soon as it is finalized. We are also working with agencies to help us identify improvements on all UCISD campuses,” Uvalde Consolidated Independent School District Superintendent Hal Harrell wrote in a letter, which was also on behalf of the district’s board of trustees.
Harrell wrote that the school is continuing to cooperate with authorities on the shooting and would be providing counseling services to staff and families “for the foreseeable future.”
more https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/3509396-uvalde-students-wont-return-to-robb-elementary-school/
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on June 02, 2022, 07:56:05 pm
June 2, 2022 8:16am EDT Texas school shooting: Uvalde mayor details how negotiator tried to call Salvador Ramos Uvalde Mayor Don McLaughlin speaks about Robb Elementary shooting response
By Greg Norman | Fox News
A negotiator stationed at a funeral home near Robb Elementary as the Uvalde school shooting was unfolding was trying "every number they could find" to reach gunman Salvador Ramos, the city's mayor has revealed.
Uvalde Mayor Don McLaughlin, in an interview with The Washington Post, said the negotiator ultimately was unable to make contact with the 18-year-old, who killed 19 students and two teachers in the attack.
"His main goal was to try to get this person on the phone," McLaughlin said. "They tried every number they could find."
The mayor told The Washington Post that he doesn’t believe the negotiator was aware that there were children calling 911 from inside the classroom that Ramos entered, asking police for help.
more https://www.foxnews.com/us/texas-school-shooting-uvalde-mayor-negotiator
His main goal should have been to get the shooter to the window where a sniper team could take him out.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Smokin Joe on June 02, 2022, 07:58:51 pm
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on June 02, 2022, 09:36:43 pm
Jack Posobiec @JackPosobiec
BREAKING: Photo of off-duty Border Patrol agent Jacob Albarado who borrowed a shotgun from his barber in the middle of a haircut and ran into the school in Uvalde with his wife and daughter inside
Until three agents with the Border Patrol Tactical Unit (BORTAC) burst into a classroom and shot the Uvalde, Texas, school shooter dead, few Americans even knew the elite unit existed. The reason they’ve largely flown under the radar and out of the public eye is simple: they see themselves as “silent professionals,” one BORTAC agent told The Daily Caller News Foundation.
“Before we were a secret society that nobody knew about. And there’s still a lot of us that want to keep it that way,” said the agent, who spoke with TheDCNF on the condition of anonymity because they weren’t authorized to speak.
Agents from the BORTAC rushed into Robb Elementary School classrooms on May 24, where 18-year-old Salvador Ramos had opened fire and killed 19 children and two teachers, according to multiple reports. After Ramos began shooting, the agents ran in when local law enforcement waited to go into the classrooms for about an hour.
BORTAC agents were first held back by local authorities for around 30 minutes before getting frustrated and storming in on their own volition, with Pete Arredondo, the Chief of Police in the Uvalde Consolidated Independent School District, reportedly instructing his officers to await backup and additional equipment before entering the school.
BORTAC has responded to threats in the U.S. and abroad and is trained by top elements of the military, according to U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP). The unit was formed in 1984 in response to riots in immigration detention facilities, according to CBP. BORTAC has around 200 active agents across the border and is headquartered in the El Paso border sector, the BORTAC agent told TheDCNF.
More at link.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on June 02, 2022, 10:12:38 pm
Uvalde school district’s police chief didn’t know about 911 calls coming from inside the school, lawmaker says
State Rep. Roland Gutierrez, D-San Antonio, said the commanding officer at the scene of the shooting was not informed about the calls that Uvalde police were receiving, calling the lack of coordination a “system failure.”
by Reese Oxner June 2, 20223 hours ago
A Texas lawmaker said Thursday that the school district police chief in charge of the scene at the Uvalde school shooting last week was not informed of the multiple 911 calls made inside the building while the shooter was still inside.
State Sen. Roland Gutierrez, D-San Antonio, said during a press conference the Uvalde school district’s police chief, Pete Arredondo, wasn’t made aware of 911 calls that students inside Robb Elementary School made around 30 minutes after the gunman entered, including a student begging for police to take action. The shooter killed 19 students and two teachers during his siege on the school.
Instead, Gutierrez said 911 calls were relayed to the Uvalde Police Department, which operates separately from the school district's police, and Arredondo — who was leading law enforcement’s response on the scene — was left in the dark.
Gutierrez described the lack of coordination as a “system failure.”
Arredondo has been widely criticized by state leaders and safety experts in the days after the shooting for his handling of the situation. It took more than an hour to breach the classroom where the gunman was holed up. The delay was contrary to the way law enforcement is trained based on best practices that were widely adopted after the 1999 school shooting in Columbine, Colorado, which recommend engaging with active shooters as soon as possible.
more https://www.texastribune.org/2022/06/02/uvalde-shooting-roland-gutierrez-911-calls/
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on June 03, 2022, 01:52:04 am
Uvalde school district’s police chief didn’t know about 911 calls coming from inside the school, lawmaker says
State Rep. Roland Gutierrez, D-San Antonio, said the commanding officer at the scene of the shooting was not informed about the calls that Uvalde police were receiving, calling the lack of coordination a “system failure.”
by Reese Oxner June 2, 20223 hours ago
State Sen. Roland Gutierrez, D-San Antonio, said during a press conference the Uvalde school district’s police chief, Pete Arredondo, wasn’t made aware of 911 calls that students inside Robb Elementary School made around 30 minutes after the gunman entered
Arredondo? Who is he? Anybody seen him?
Someone needs to file a missing person report.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Idiot on June 03, 2022, 01:34:00 pm
I have a simple surveillance system(like a RING) purchased from Best Buy for $200 that permits me to place 4 cameras where I can see all doors of entry easily and videos stored in memory.
I wonder why this is not deployed at a school like this?
Why would they need it? The school system has their own police force to protect them.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on June 03, 2022, 02:25:37 pm
Why would they need it? The school system has their own police force to protect them.
It is just not protection.
It is to answer questions like "When was the door propped open?"
or
"How long did it take police to break down a door?"
We see every day instances of crimes being committed and recorded on video https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/board,187.0.html
Do these videos protect the victims from crimes or record who and what was done?
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Hoodat on June 03, 2022, 02:41:24 pm
I was being sarcastic. But when it comes to video surveillance, Democrats are OK with it when it comes to spying on you, but they will block any attempt to monitor themselves.
The fact of the matter is that surveillance cameras are everywhere these days. Why not schools? Have the teachers unions been purposely blocking the presence of video cameras in their schools and classrooms, lest anyone find out how much they are indoctrinating our kids to become communist activists?
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on June 03, 2022, 04:32:24 pm
I was being sarcastic. But when it comes to video surveillance, Democrats are OK with it when it comes to spying on you, but they will block any attempt to monitor themselves.
The fact of the matter is that surveillance cameras are everywhere these days. Why not schools? Have the teachers unions been purposely blocking the presence of video cameras in their schools and classrooms, lest anyone find out how much they are indoctrinating our kids to become communist activists?
Have we been told there were NOT cameras at the schools?
If there were cameras present, what are the hiding? Let's peek into the laptop
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Cyber Liberty on June 03, 2022, 05:17:09 pm
Have we been told there were NOT cameras at the schools?
If there were cameras present, what are the hiding? Let's peek into the laptop
Security cameras that actually show crime in action are usually "temporarily broken."
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on June 03, 2022, 05:53:14 pm
Uvalde teacher says incorrect accusation she left door open left her ‘heartbroken’ by Sarakshi Rai - 06/03/22 11:53 AM ET
A Robb Elementary School teacher, who has been at the center of the Uvalde shooting timeline after Texas officials issued initial statements saying she left a door “propped open,” was reportedly “heartbroken” by the insinuation that officials later said was incorrect.
In interviews with reporters, the teacher’s lawyer Don Flanary said that the incorrect accusations that she left the door open have left his client “shaken” and made her want to come forward with her story.
“She felt alone, like she couldn’t even grieve,” Flanary told CNN. “She second-guessed herself, like ‘did I not do that?’” he added.
Her lawyer told ABC News that it was heartbreaking and “traumatic for her when it’s insinuated that she’s involved.”
Flanary told reporters that the teacher had stepped out to bring in food when she saw a car crash and propped the door open with a rock while she went to grab her phone to call 911. When she walked back out, she saw the gunman and kicked the rock and shut the door.
“[Someone] yelled, ‘He’s got a gun,” the teacher told NewsNation in an interview. “I ran back into my building. I still had the rock in the door. So, I opened the door, kicked the rock, and then locked [the door],” she added.
Originally, police said the teacher had left the door open, which is one of a number of details that have been adjusted or corrected by investigators in an evolving and changing timeline in the week since the tragedy.
Texas Department of Public Safety (DPS) initially said a teacher had propped the door open shortly before the gunman, Salvador Ramos, 18, entered the school.
They later walked back the statement and said the teacher had propped the door open with a rock, but then removed it and closed the door when she realized there was a shooter on campus, Travis Considine, chief communications officer for the Texas DPS, told The Associated Press.
While the door was designed to lock when shut, it didn’t do so in this instance, Considine said.
more https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/3510803-uvalde-teacher-says-incorrect-accusation-she-left-door-open-left-her-heartbroken/
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: DB on June 03, 2022, 05:54:50 pm
Uvalde teacher says incorrect accusation she left door open left her ‘heartbroken’ by Sarakshi Rai - 06/03/22 11:53 AM ET
A Robb Elementary School teacher, who has been at the center of the Uvalde shooting timeline after Texas officials issued initial statements saying she left a door “propped open,” was reportedly “heartbroken” by the insinuation that officials later said was incorrect.
In interviews with reporters, the teacher’s lawyer Don Flanary said that the incorrect accusations that she left the door open have left his client “shaken” and made her want to come forward with her story.
“She felt alone, like she couldn’t even grieve,” Flanary told CNN. “She second-guessed herself, like ‘did I not do that?’” he added.
Her lawyer told ABC News that it was heartbreaking and “traumatic for her when it’s insinuated that she’s involved.”
Flanary told reporters that the teacher had stepped out to bring in food when she saw a car crash and propped the door open with a rock while she went to grab her phone to call 911. When she walked back out, she saw the gunman and kicked the rock and shut the door.
“[Someone] yelled, ‘He’s got a gun,” the teacher told NewsNation in an interview. “I ran back into my building. I still had the rock in the door. So, I opened the door, kicked the rock, and then locked [the door],” she added.
Originally, police said the teacher had left the door open, which is one of a number of details that have been adjusted or corrected by investigators in an evolving and changing timeline in the week since the tragedy.
Texas Department of Public Safety (DPS) initially said a teacher had propped the door open shortly before the gunman, Salvador Ramos, 18, entered the school.
They later walked back the statement and said the teacher had propped the door open with a rock, but then removed it and closed the door when she realized there was a shooter on campus, Travis Considine, chief communications officer for the Texas DPS, told The Associated Press.
While the door was designed to lock when shut, it didn’t do so in this instance, Considine said.
more https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/3510803-uvalde-teacher-says-incorrect-accusation-she-left-door-open-left-her-heartbroken/
This is called CYA in some circles.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Kamaji on June 03, 2022, 05:59:37 pm
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They later walked back the statement and said the teacher had propped the door open with a rock, but then removed it and closed the door when she realized there was a shooter on campus, Travis Considine, chief communications officer for the Texas DPS, told The Associated Press.
While the door was designed to lock when shut, it didn’t do so in this instance, Considine said.
If she knew there was a shooter present, why didn't she pull on the door to make damned sure that it did close and lock properly? I smell some post-hoc CYA and rationalization.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: berdie on June 03, 2022, 09:18:09 pm
I swore I wasn't going to post on this thread again until after there was more definitive evidence. I'm still pretty emotional about this. Yet here I am.
The press and certain officials jumped out way too early to try to explain this. There are still conflicting stories. So I still don't buy a lot of them.
Did the door lock? Did it not? Did the "in charge" person get the 911 info that there were kids in the room? Or did he not? And is it possible that some of the kid's texts/calls were coming from other rooms? Hell...I'd be scared out of my mind and I'm not a little kid.
The sad fact is that there will be more casualties (not in a physical sense necessarily). People accused of causing this tragedy will suffer.
I don't believe that 19 leos stood outside that door for no reason. Let's face it, the BT SWAT force stood outside for 20 minutes (or so reported at this time). I don't believe that the "charge" officer issued a "stand down" for no reason.
And the sad fact is...no matter what the outcome of an investigation, these people will never overcome the reputation of being cowards.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on June 03, 2022, 09:19:11 pm
If she knew there was a shooter present, why didn't she pull on the door to make damned sure that it did close and lock properly? I smell some post-hoc CYA and rationalization.
Maybe, since the door should have locked, she assumed it did. And got back to her schoolroom to secure it?
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on June 04, 2022, 12:35:01 am
Security cameras that actually show crime in action are usually "temporarily broken."
Or hidden from public eyes
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There’s Likely Bodycam Footage of the Uvalde School Shooting. The Public May Never See It. By Texas law, cops must keep their bodycams on while working. But it's possible police will use the "dead suspect loophole" to keep anyone from seeing the footage. The only people who really know what happened inside Robb Elementary School last week are the cops who responded to the scene, the 19 kids and teachers who were killed, the survivors, and the deceased gunman himself.
The rest of us have been left to piece together the nightmarish chain of events with minimal information provided to the public by Texas officials. And there are still a lot of questions: the main one being, what could the police see and hear from the hallway they stood in for 78 minutes waiting for backup, while the gunman was barricaded into a classroom slaughtering kids? In the absence of clear answers, some have hoped that video footage from the scene will shed light on the apparent lack of action from the nearly 20 cops who waited outside the classroom, even as fourth-grade kids were desperately calling 911 begging for help inside.
It’s highly likely that at least some of those officers, which included officers from Uvalde Police Department as well as the school district’s police department, were outfitted with body-cameras. (Neither Uvalde Police Department nor the Uvalde School District Police Department responded to VICE News’ inquiries).
Officers with the Uvalde Police Department first got bodycams in 2015.
In November 2020, they borrowed more than $13,000 from the city council to spend on state-of-the-art bodycams. According to an article in Uvalde Leader-News at the time, the plan was to get that money reimbursed by a grant from the Justice Department (there’s currently no record of the city of Uvalde receiving a DOJ grant since then).
They got 16 bodycams in total, manufactured by a California tech company, plus a sophisticated “evidence management system.” https://www.vice.com/en/article/jgpee8/uvalde-texas-police-bodycams
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Elderberry on June 04, 2022, 01:25:47 am
The idea of arming trained, volunteer school staff members to serve as a first line of defense against any targeted attack on students has been dismissed by Democratic lawmakers and teachers unions alike, but a majority of voters appear much more receptive to the idea. A new poll by the Trafalgar Group found almost 60% of voters believe that the absence of armed school staff members makes schools more dangerous, with just 30% disagreeing.
More importantly, as we discuss on today’s Bearing Arms’ Cam & Co, research into the idea bolsters the claims by supporters that having an armed presence on campus can save lives… a lot of lives.
Dr. J. Eric Dietz is the director of the Homeland Security Institute at Purdue University, and has been studying this issue for years with an eye towards reducing casualties and ending these active shooter incidents as quickly as possible. During today’s conversation, Dietz told me that computer modeling conducted by the HSI shows that two things can reduce fatalities in an active shooter situation on a school campus by more than 80%; the presence of a school resource officer who can engage the assailant, and 5-10% of school staff members who have been trained and are armed to protect kids in locked classrooms.
The idea isn’t teachers would be roaming the hallways looking for the attacker. Under Dietz’s modeling, that’s left up to law enforcement, with the armed staff members sheltering in place with their students and taking action only if the door to their classroom (or library, or administrative office) is breached.
Still, many educators want nothing to do with the idea.
More at link.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Smokin Joe on June 04, 2022, 04:07:47 am
In this day and age of ting doorbells and webcams, every school should have a centralized setup which shows door status (open/closed--locked/unlocked) This has been done with the hatches on submarines since the days of the old fleet boats. Whether hardwired or accessible with an ap, that status should be up for every classroom, ideally, too, and it should definitely at least be visible at a location in the administrative offices.
Essentially, this would give an at-a-glance status report of the security integrity of the building, and it could be retrofitted into many, if not all schools. While it would be a little more expensive, all ground floor windows could be similarly equipped.
Take down the stupid advertisements of soft targets ("gun free" School signs), and replace them with signs that say words to the effect of "We have armed personnel on campus who will not hesitate to use lethal force to protect these children and our staff." Enough taunting these nutcases with low hanging fruit and free-fire target rich environments.
Put teeth in that by at least sending all faculty and staff to firearm safety training, and let those who desire it continue with shooting courses that will enhance their ability to deal with a threat--then, let them carry on campus unless they are raving nutcases, too. (If they are nutcases, WTF are they doing there?) If you can't trust them with a gun, why are they trusted with kids?
This would be a lot cheaper than siphoning off millions from foreign aid, and might actually prevent the next incident, rather than going after all the people's property who had nothing whatsoever to do with any of these horrorshows.
As for the 'educators who want nothing to do with the idea of defending their charges', take your degree and go work fast food or something. I once dated a gal who had killed a rattlesnake with a stick because it was on the playground of the small school she taught at. She was there to defend the kids, too, not just teach them. If they aren't willing to defend those kids (and, incidentally, themselves), maybe they should find a different vocation.
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Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on June 04, 2022, 01:27:38 pm
‘Send help for my teacher, she is shot but still alive,’ Uvalde victim told 911 while cops waited outside June 4, 2022 | Chris Donaldson
The top law enforcement officer in charge during last week’s massacre at a Texas elementary school did not have his police radio with him when he arrived at the scene, a possible contributing factor in the disastrous police response to the shooting that claimed the lives of 19 children and 2 adult teachers, one of whom may have been saved had police acted quicker.
According to a New York Times report, Uvalde Consolidated Independent School District Police Department Chief Pete Arredondo’s lack of the radio “may have impeded his immediate ability to communicate with police dispatchers,” as the situation unfolded with children trapped inside of Robb Elementary School with the gunman desperately called 911 for help.
One of those calls suggests that one of the two adult teachers who was shot by 18-year-old Salvador Ramos during his killing spree could have been saved had police acted to confront the shooter rather than react as if it were a barricaded hostage situation.
In one of the 911 calls, 10-year-old Khloie Torres told a police dispatcher that “There is a lot of bodies.”
more https://www.bizpacreview.com/2022/06/04/send-help-for-my-teacher-she-is-shot-but-still-alive-uvalde-victim-told-911-while-cops-waited-outside-1246103/
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on June 04, 2022, 01:29:32 pm
This little girl needs counseling instead of parading her around to news outlets...
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on June 04, 2022, 01:34:52 pm
No excuse: Uvalde commander had no radio, but other first responders could hear the 911 calls June 4, 2022 | Ashley Hill
Texas State Sen. Roland Gutierrez unleashed a jaw-dropping admission about the lack of communications at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas where the community is still reeling from the loss of 19 children and 2 adults to an active shooter on May 24.
“I went to the Commission on State Emergency Communications,” Gutierrez told CNN host Kate Bolduan on “At This Hour With Kate Bolduan” on Friday morning. “What I was told specifically is that in this area of Uvalde, those calls are dispatched through Uvalde PD, not the ISD as we were told before. PD dispatchers would then send as many as 17 different, to 17 different first responders, up to and including that school district. They are in the system.”
“That said, I have been told that this person did not have, this person being the incident commander, did not have radio communication,” the democratic state senator said. “And I don’t know as to why. And so those are the things that we do know.”
more https://www.bizpacreview.com/2022/06/04/senator-makes-stunning-claim-uvalde-commander-had-no-radio-but-other-first-responders-could-hear-911-calls-1246079/
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: sneakypete on June 04, 2022, 02:07:38 pm
Texas State Sen. Roland Gutierrez unleashed a jaw-dropping admission about the lack of communications at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas where the community is still reeling from the loss of 19 children and 2 adults to an active shooter on May 24.
“I went to the Commission on State Emergency Communications,” Gutierrez told CNN host Kate Bolduan on “At This Hour With Kate Bolduan” on Friday morning. “What I was told specifically is that in this area of Uvalde, those calls are dispatched through Uvalde PD, not the ISD as we were told before. PD dispatchers would then send as many as 17 different, to 17 different first responders, up to and including that school district. They are in the system.”
“That said, I have been told that this person did not have, this person being the incident commander, did not have radio communication,” the democratic state senator said. “And I don’t know as to why. And so those are the things that we do know.”
more https://www.bizpacreview.com/2022/06/04/senator-makes-stunning-claim-uvalde-commander-had-no-radio-but-other-first-responders-could-hear-911-calls-1246079/
I almost think I now know even less about this than I did before I read it.
Am I the only one?
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Cyber Liberty on June 04, 2022, 02:09:07 pm
You are not the only one. The story gets murkier with every telling.
CYA at every turn.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Cyber Liberty on June 04, 2022, 02:26:23 pm
Yes. The story getting more confusing by the day is a "tell" that we are being lied to on a grand scale.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on June 04, 2022, 03:41:53 pm
Uvalde Mother Who Ran Into School Says Police Threatened to Violate Her Probation for Speaking to Media Zachary Leeman - 1h ago
Angeli Rose Gomez says she has been threatened by law enforcement after speaking to the media and describing being handcuffed by Uvalde, Texas police outside of Robb Elementary School before she ran into the building herself to retrieve her own children while a gunman was barricaded inside.
Gomez has been highly critical of the police response to the shooting late last month, which ended with more than 20 dead. In an interview with CBS News this week, she described yelling at police outside the building while they waited, begging them to go in or give her a vest so she could rush in herself. Gomez has said that she did eventually go in to retrieve her two young children. She also claimed to see police pepper spray and tackle other parents trying to do the same.
Gomez said when she arrived at the school, she was almost immediately butting heads with officials on the scene, specifically a U.S. Marshal who told her she needed to stay away from the scene.
“He said, ‘Well, we’re going to have to arrest you because you’re being very uncooperative,'” she said. “I said, well you’re going to have to arrest me because I’m going in there.”
Gomez’s account of events adds more confusion to the decisions made at the scene too as she says when she was inside the building searching for her children, she could hear gunshots going off. This would have likely been after the on-scene commander had made the determination that it was no longer an active shooter situation, adding to an already delayed response. Texas Department of Safety head Steve McCraw has since admitted this call on the scene was “wrong.”
She also said there were no officers inside the school while she was there.
“There was not one officer inside the school while I ran to my second son’s class. There was not one officer,” she said.
She added police could have saved “many more lives” had they acted with more urgency.
“If anything, they were being more aggressive on us parents,” she said.
CBS reporter Lilia Luciano revealed after the interview that Gomez claimed to have received a call from a law enforcement officer saying her probation — which stems from a decade old charge — could be violated if she continued talking to the media. Gomez said after speaking with a judge who assured her this would not happen, she is not revealing more of her story.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: 240B on June 04, 2022, 04:07:13 pm
As more information comes out, it seems very likely the police and sheriff were passively supporting the shooter. Not only did they refuse to confront and subdue the perp, more than that they were actively 'protecting him' from angry parents. If they had acted half as aggressively toward the shooter as they aggressively attacked the parents, they could have stopped the shooting in minutes.
The only logical conclusion is that they did not want to stop him. The border patrol agents who shot the lunatic did so AGAINST orders. They were told to 'stand down' and refused.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: DB on June 04, 2022, 04:17:45 pm
As more information comes out, it seems very likely the police and sheriff were passively supporting the shooter. Not only did they refuse to confront and subdue the perp, more than that they were actively 'protecting him' from angry parents. If they had acted half as aggressively toward the shooter as they aggressively attacked the parents, they could have stopped the shooting in minutes.
The only logical conclusion is that they did not want to stop him. The border patrol agents who shot the lunatic did so AGAINST orders. They were told to 'stand down' and refused.
It is pretty likely more kids would have lived if the police hadn't showed up at all.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: 240B on June 04, 2022, 04:21:50 pm
It is pretty likely more kids would have lived if the police hadn't showed up at all.
True. They were protecting/guarding him from the public. Had they not been there, it would have been over in no time.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on June 04, 2022, 06:04:13 pm
June 4, 2022 1:12pm EDT Uvalde school board declines to punish police chief who failed to confront Robb Elementary gunman The school shooting took the lives of 19 children, 2 teachers By Julia Musto | Fox News
At the first meeting of the Uvalde Consolidated Independent School District (UCISD) board since the deadly mass shooting, members took no action against school police chief Pete Arredondo.
The meeting – which opened with prayer – was called in response to the May 24 attack by a lone gunman at Robb Elementary school that left 19 students and two teachers dead.
Although the agenda allowed the board to terminate Arredondo, in a part of a meeting that was behind closed doors, they declined to do so, according to The Texas Tribune.
During the first part of the meeting, Superintendent Dr. Hal Harrell said that his heart goes out to the families of the victims and called the slain teachers "heroes."
He also told attendees – including parents – that children would never return to the Texas school.
A mother, who was one of just two residents who addressed the board, said her seven-year-old son is "deathly afraid" of going to school.
Harrell said that while he is eager for investigations to come to completion, there was no additional information to provide on the matter.
more https://www.foxnews.com/us/uvalde-school-board-declines-punish-police-chief-robb-elementary
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: DB on June 04, 2022, 06:26:12 pm
“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing”
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: sneakypete on June 04, 2022, 06:35:32 pm
Or in this case,protect the murderer from the parents so the po-po didn't look bad.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on June 04, 2022, 10:29:19 pm
June 4, 2022 4:59pm EDT Uvalde, Texas school shooting: 9-year-old victim released from hospital A Uvalde, Texas girl released from a San Antonio hospital on Saturday is one of multiple people injured during the mass shooting at Robb Elementary School which claimed the lives of 19 children and two adults
By Adam Sabes | Fox News
A 9-year-old girl was released from a Texas hospital after being injured during the mass shooting at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas on May 24.
University Hospital in San Antonio, Texas, made the announcement on Saturday, tweeting that the 9-year-old girl has been discharged from the hospital.
A 10-year-old girl remains in serious condition, and a 66-year-old woman, who is believed to be the shooter's grandmother, is in good condition.
more https://www.foxnews.com/us/texas-elementary-school-shooting-9-year-old-victim-released-from-hospital
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on June 05, 2022, 12:30:10 am
Yes. The story getting more confusing by the day is a "tell" that we are being lied to on a grand scale.
To me it is reminiscent of the 2020 election when counting stopped simultaneously in several places, water pipes were bursting(an outright lie), vote totals suddenly switch live on tv screens with the entire country watching, etc.
A colossal coverup there while the stories were getting aligned, and we never were told the truth.
Also what happened on Jan 6 as we are denied videos of surveillance cameras.
We are getting a rotten, stinking coverup once again.
And in no case are the perps who either did the dirty work or those covering it up are going to jail. Hell, some are not even being interviewed.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Smokin Joe on June 05, 2022, 11:57:39 am
To me it is reminiscent of the 2020 election when counting stopped simultaneously in several places, water pipes were bursting(an outright lie), vote totals suddenly switch live on tv screens with the entire country watching, etc.
A colossal coverup there while the stories were getting aligned, and we never were told the truth.
Also what happened on Jan 6 as we are denied videos of surveillance cameras.
We are getting a rotten, stinking coverup once again.
And in no case are the perps who either did the dirty work or those covering it up are going to jail. Hell, some are not even being interviewed.
Similar inconsistencies in other such events have given rise to "conspiracy theories" that have a fairly broad range, from Las Vegas to Sandy Hook, there are more questions than solid answers. This seems typical of shootings (or other events) the Left uses to attack the RKBA.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on June 05, 2022, 01:01:34 pm
Gunmaker Daniel Defense Hit With First Post-Uvalde Legal Action By Becca Lower | Jun 04, 2022 4:15 PM ET
In the wake of the tragic massacre in Uvalde, Texas, in May that took the lives of 19 children and two teachers at Robb Elementary School, it was probably inevitable that people would seek to lay blame for the shooting through the legal system. And just over a week later, that process has begun, according to NPR.
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A speech pathology clerk who hid during the May 24, 2022 massacre at Robb Elementary has started court proceedings against Savannah, Georgia-based gunmaker Daniel Defense.
It is the first reported legal action taken as a result of the mass shooting, which killed 21 children [sic] and two adults. While not a full-blown lawsuit, the filing seeks to determine if the gun manufacturer can be sued for how it promotes firearms.
“They’re marketing to people who it’s not reasonable should have guns … and we think that may be young people,” said attorney Don Flanary.
As RedState previously reported, the week of the NRA national convention, which was being held in Houston, TX, gun manufacturer Daniel Defense was taking flak after word got out that the company had made one of the AR-style rifles sold to the Uvalde shooter. That vicious attack by NBC News was a blatant, joint assault effort of media and gun control activists, something which I’ll expand on in another piece.
One intriguing excerpt from NPR’s story, which readers might find contains quite a coincidence, shows that this isn’t the only shooting the Robb Elementary clerk is looking to get Daniel Defense on the record about:
more https://redstate.com/beccalower/2022/06/04/gunmaker-daniel-defense-hit-with-first-post-uvalde-legal-action-n574801
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on June 05, 2022, 05:05:39 pm
Uvalde school board will NOT punish 'coward' police chief who refused to send cops in to battle gunman, 18, as he shot kids dead - as official reveals Robb Elementary is closed for good
The Uvalde school board declined to fire school police chief Pete Arredondo The district superintendent said he is 'eager' to see the outcomes of numerous probes into police response to the mass shooting at Robb Elementary School The superintendent implied Arredondo could face punishment in the future He also revealed that students will 'never' return to the school building Nineteen kids and two teachers were murdered at the school in May 24 when deranged gunman Salvador Ramos, 18, stormed the building He was in the school for 77 minutes before law enforcement took him down
By Natasha Anderson For Dailymail.Com
Published: 16:07 EDT, 4 June 2022 | Updated: 18:22 EDT, 4 June 2022
The Uvalde school board did not punish the district police chief who refused to send cops into Robb Elementary School while a gunman was shooting kids dead.
During its first board meeting since the May 24 shooting, the Uvalde Independent School District (UCISD) declined to fire school police chief Pete Arredondo on Friday.
Superintendent Hal Harrell told meeting attendees he was 'eager' for the several investigations launched into law enforcement's response to the shooting to 'run their course,' The Texas Tribune reported.
Harrell's remark implied the school could still take disciplinary action against Arredondo, who has been considered a cowardice 'man in hiding,' pending the results of the investigations.
more https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10885165/Uvalde-school-board-NOT-punish-coward-police-chief-refused-send-cops-building.html
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: GtHawk on June 05, 2022, 08:08:54 pm
Uvalde school board will NOT punish 'coward' police chief who refused to send cops in to battle gunman, 18, as he shot kids dead - as official reveals Robb Elementary is closed for good
The Uvalde school board declined to fire school police chief Pete Arredondo The district superintendent said he is 'eager' to see the outcomes of numerous probes into police response to the mass shooting at Robb Elementary School The superintendent implied Arredondo could face punishment in the future He also revealed that students will 'never' return to the school building Nineteen kids and two teachers were murdered at the school in May 24 when deranged gunman Salvador Ramos, 18, stormed the building He was in the school for 77 minutes before law enforcement took him down
By Natasha Anderson For Dailymail.Com
Published: 16:07 EDT, 4 June 2022 | Updated: 18:22 EDT, 4 June 2022
The Uvalde school board did not punish the district police chief who refused to send cops into Robb Elementary School while a gunman was shooting kids dead.
During its first board meeting since the May 24 shooting, the Uvalde Independent School District (UCISD) declined to fire school police chief Pete Arredondo on Friday.
Superintendent Hal Harrell told meeting attendees he was 'eager' for the several investigations launched into law enforcement's response to the shooting to 'run their course,' The Texas Tribune reported.
Harrell's remark implied the school could still take disciplinary action against Arredondo, who has been considered a cowardice 'man in hiding,' pending the results of the investigations.
more https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10885165/Uvalde-school-board-NOT-punish-coward-police-chief-refused-send-cops-building.html
Maybe the parents should take action and fire the school board and then the police chief and any others that as cowards cost more children's lives. If I lost my child because of this ass the least thing I would do would be bringing shame to him and the other officers every day until they finally packed up and left.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Cyber Liberty on June 05, 2022, 08:27:03 pm
Maybe the parents should take action and fire the school board and then the police chief and any others that as cowards cost more children's lives. If I lost my child because of this ass the least thing I would do would be bringing shame to him and the other officers every day until they finally packed up and left.
He just got elected to City Council. I expect a drecall election.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on June 06, 2022, 02:08:09 am
Uvalde School Officials Announce Elementary Campus Will Not Reopen in Wake of Shooting
Penny Starr 5 Jun 2022
The Uvalde Consolidated Independent School District board announced at its first meeting since 19 children and two teachers were killed by an 18-year-old gunman that the school where the tragedy took place will not reopen.
Robb Elementary School was the site of an attack that killed 19 fourth graders and two teachers on May 24.
CNN and the New York Post reported on the meeting, while the investigation into what took place is still underway:
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Superintendent Hal Harrell told parents at the meeting that students would not be returning to the school — but then shut down the meeting and went into a long closed-door session without ever addressing the district’s police chief Pete Arredondo, who made the fateful decision to not breach the classroom door where gunman Salvador Ramos was holed up with two classrooms full of kids.
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Arredondo, who was elected to a seat on the city council earlier this year, was secretly sworn into office last week after a council meeting was canceled.
Some parents who attended the meeting expressed anger that the school officials did not address the many questions they have about the police response to the attack, including claims that the officers waited more than an hour to take down the shooter.
more https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/06/05/uvalde-school-officials-announce-elementary-campus-will-not-reopen-wake-shooting/
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Elderberry on June 08, 2022, 12:30:03 am
Uvalde teacher who survived shooting speaks out
Good Morning America Jun 7, 2022
Arnulfo Reyes recalls to ABC News anchor Amy Robach the day that his students were killed in a classroom in Texas, as he recovers in the hospital after being shot.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on June 08, 2022, 12:43:47 am
Teacher wounded in Uvalde shooting says he will never forgive police Brittany Shammas - 4h ago
A teacher wounded in last month’s mass shooting at a Texas elementary school said he will never forgive law enforcement for waiting more than an hour to stop the gunman who killed 19 students and two teachers.
Arnulfo Reyes, hospitalized after being shot twice during the May 24 massacre at Robb Elementary School, spoke of his anger toward police during an emotional interview that aired Tuesday. He described feeling abandoned by officers who stood in a hallway even as students begged for help in repeated calls to 911.
“After everything, I get more angry, because you have a bulletproof vest. I had nothing! I had nothing,” a crying Reyes said in a segment broadcast on “Good Morning America.” “You’re supposed to protect and serve. There is no excuse for their actions.”
The police response to the Uvalde shooting has faced mounting scrutiny and criticism amid revelations about the officers’ delay and other missteps. A timeline laid out by state officials revealed that officers retreated when the gunman, 18-year-old Salvador Ramos, shot at them. A phalanx of police waited more than an hour for backup before a group led by federal Border Patrol agents breached the classroom where Ramos was holed up with students he had shot.
The school’s police chief, Pedro “Pete” Arredondo, who was acting as incident commander, made the call that the officers on scene should wait. His order ran against protocols developed since the 1999 Columbine school shooting, which call for police to confront shooters as soon as possible, and was described by Texas Department of Public Safety Director Steven C. McCraw as “the wrong decision. Period.”
more https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/teacher-wounded-in-uvalde-shooting-says-he-will-never-forgive-police/ar-AAYbVDl?bk=1&ocid=msedgntp&cvid=7d56feddc1cd4435b2c7115b59ab5446
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on June 08, 2022, 01:11:02 am
Families of Uvalde shooting victims sue gunman for $100M by Brad Dress - 06/07/22 8:21 PM ET
Four families whose children were injured during a mass shooting at an elementary school in Uvalde, Texas, are suing the estate of the gunman responsible for more than $100 million.
The families filed the lawsuit in the 38th Judicial District Court in Uvalde, seeking compensation for physical and emotional damages stemming from the shooting, according to the complaint.
The lawsuit seeks compensation in excess of $100 million from the estate of Salvador Ramos, whom law enforcement officials shot and killed after he opened fire inside Robb Elementary School on May 24, killing 19 children and two adults.
He also injured 17 additional children and adults during the shooting. The law firm of Thomas J. Henry is representing four of the families whose children were injured in the shooting.
Henry is probing several areas of the shooting, including the purchase of weapons Ramos used, how he entered the school and the law enforcement’s response to the shooting.
“This initial lawsuit will allow us to discover evidence and possibly add other parties to the lawsuit, if necessary,” Henry said in a press release. “The discovery process will focus on the school system, law enforcement, social media, and gun and ammunition manufacturers.”
Ramos bought two AR-15-style rifles, including the DDM4 V7 rifle he used in the shooting, from Oasis Outback just days after he turned 18. Daniel Defense, the manufacturers of the DDM4 V7, have come under scrutiny for marketing to children.
Ramos entered Robb Elementary through a back door. While a teacher was initially criticized for not closing the door, it was later revealed that the door did not lock properly.
The law enforcement response to the shooting has also been criticized after it was revealed police waited outside the school for more than an hour while the gunman rampaged inside. Police on scene said they believed it was a barricaded-shooter situation.
The four children in the lawsuit were injured by gunfire in several areas, including in the shoulder, leg, face and back, according to the complaint. They had to undergo extensive medical operations.
The complaint says Ramos “intentionally injured these young children, stole their innocence, and forever changed their lives.”
“They witnessed their friends and teachers being shot and dying in front of them. They were locked into the room with Ramos as he shot their friends and were forced to stay there for over 45 minutes, hurt and frightened before police finally entered the room and shot and killed Ramos,” the complaint reads. “The emotional toll they endured is incomprehensible and will be with them for the remainder of their lives.”
Henry previously represented the victims of a 2017 mass shooting in Sutherland Springs, Texas, and won a more than $200 million settlement from the lawsuit.
After Uvalde joined Newton, Conn., Parkland, Fla., and Columbine, Colo., in suffering from a mass shooting at a school, Henry said the lawsuit was a step toward “ensuring our children go to school and come home safe.”
“We want to obtain justice for the families that have been devastated by this shooting and ensure we have swift changes that protect our children while they are at school,” the lawyer added in a statement.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on June 08, 2022, 01:12:25 am
The Ramos family has no money, at least that is what has been reported.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on June 08, 2022, 01:52:49 am
Families of Uvalde shooting victims sue gunman for $100M by Brad Dress - 06/07/22 8:21 PM ET
Four families whose children were injured during a mass shooting at an elementary school in Uvalde, Texas, are suing the estate of the gunman responsible for more than $100 million.
Should be suing those who chose not to intervene in the killings.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Smokin Joe on June 08, 2022, 02:03:34 am
Should be suing those who chose not to intervene in the killings.
Rather than sue the gunman's family (doubtful there is much there, and likely far short of the 100 million) or even the police who commanded the scene and thwarted rather than effected rescue, how about suing the Congressional Representatives who voted for the Federal Fun Free Schools law? They did this, ultimately, they made it difficult or impossible for teachers to defend their charges, and had the schools advertise that they were defenseless.
I still believe that having signs that say "Warning! Our faculty and staff are armed and will use lethal force against anyone who tries to harm our staff or students" would be a far more effective option, especially if the faculty and staff are trained and armed.
Maybe some day we could get back to having school competition shooting teams...
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Cyber Liberty on June 08, 2022, 02:31:52 am
They should pretty much be suing everyone all at once, not just the estate of the killer.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Cyber Liberty on June 08, 2022, 01:59:46 pm
Not for nothing, but they need to sue the Former police chief/ current city councilmen. This can not happen again.
Too bad they picked the proverbial turnip to squeeze the blood out of.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on June 10, 2022, 04:13:18 pm
Uvalde school police chief says he didn’t think he was officer in charge during shooting by Sarakshi Rai - 06/10/22 11:46 AM ET
Uvalde School District Police Chief Pete Arredondo said in an interview on Thursday that he did not consider himself to be the on-scene incident commander during the shooting at Robb Elementary School.
In an interview with the Texas Tribune — his first since 19 students and two teachers were killed in the shooting — Arredondo said he did not give any commands that police should not attempt to breach the building.
“I didn’t issue any orders,” Arredondo said. “I called for assistance and asked for an extraction tool to open the door.”
Texas Department of Public Safety officials, however, have said that Arredondo made the “wrong decision” to wait to confront the gunman, contradicting his claims.
Police have since come under intense criticism for waiting to engage the shooter and enter the classroom where he barricaded himself.
Officials have also changed the timeline of events from the incident multiple times in the following weeks, contributing to mounting anger.
“From the benefit of hindsight where I’m sitting now, of course it was not the right decision,” Steven McCraw, director of the Texas Department of Public Safety said. “It was the wrong decision. Period. There’s no excuse for that.”
Arredondo, who is at the center of the controversy, said that he knowingly left his radio behind when he arrived at the shooting. Experts have said that a communications breakdown complicated the police response to the shooting.
The Texas Tribune report added that Arredondo believed that the radios would slow him down at a time in which he believed he was the first officer at the scene to respond.
The police chief was also oblivious to the 911 calls and the ongoing response via officials and agencies at the site as a result of his lack of radio equipment.
Arredondo told the Tribune that he tried to open the door using keys and later used his cellphone to call for tactical gear, a sniper and keys to get inside the classroom from the hallway of the school.
more https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/3518882-uvalde-school-police-chief-says-he-didnt-think-he-was-officer-in-charge-during-shooting/
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Cyber Liberty on June 10, 2022, 04:33:31 pm
This is the most bizarre excuse yet! Literally nobody was in charge!
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: verga on June 10, 2022, 05:30:59 pm
Uvalde school police chief says he didn’t think he was officer in charge during shooting by Sarakshi Rai - 06/10/22 11:46 AM ET
Uvalde School District Police Chief Pete Arredondo said in an interview on Thursday that he did not consider himself to be the on-scene incident commander during the shooting at Robb Elementary School.
They should pretty much be suing everyone all at once, not just the estate of the killer.
Yep, name 'em all as defendants...
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on June 10, 2022, 07:27:26 pm
Uvalde School Police Chief Describes Wait for Keys to Reach School Shooter
Randy Clark 10 Jun 2022
In the first detailed interview about his role in the school shooting response, Uvalde School Police Chief Pete Arredondo describes what transpired for the more than an hour spent in the hallway of Robb Elementary School. Arredondo described the wait for a key that would eventually open the steel door and allow officers to put an end to last month’s mass shooting.
In a report by the Texas Tribune, Arredondo sheds new light on the controversial police response to the shooting and disputes accounts that he was the incident commander that day. In the telephonic interview and through statements provided to the Tribune by his attorney, George E. Hyde, Arredondo says he took the role of a first responder as he entered the school immediately upon arrival and remained in the hallway attempting to gain access to the shooter locked behind a steel door.
Arredondo, who heads the Uvalde Consolidated Independent School District’s six-officer police force, faced intense criticism for the response to the shooting and has been described as the Incident Commander by state authorities — therefore singularly responsible for the delay in reaching the shooter. As reported by Breitbart Texas, Arredondo and others received death threats in the aftermath.
Arredondo disputes assertions that officers’ actions were cowardly and incompetent, telling the Tribune, “Not a single responding officer ever hesitated, even for a moment, to put themselves at risk to save the children. We responded to the information that we had and had to adjust to whatever we faced.” He added, “Our objective was to save as many lives as we could, and the extraction of the students from the classrooms by all that were involved saved over 500 of our Uvalde students and teachers before we gained access to the shooter and eliminated the threat.”
Hyde, Arredondo’s attorney, also disputes assertions that officers’ actions were incompetent and cowardly, telling the Tribune the criticisms do not reflect the realities police face when under fire and trying to save lives. Hyde explained the dilemma faced by the small community of about 15,000. He told the Tribune its small band of school police does not have the staffing, equipment, training, or experience with mass violence compared to larger cities.
Hyde went on to say his client ran straight toward danger armed with a 9mm pistol and his 29 years of experience as a peace officer. He did not have body armor.
According to Arredondo, his most consequential decision was his immediate response to the school shooting. At around 11:35 a.m., he left his police radios outside the school. Arredondo told the Tribune his choice was logical. Every second mattered and he wanted both hands free for his weapon.
Arredondo did not speak out sooner because he did not want to compound the community’s grief or place blame on others, he told the Tribune.
He said he believed he was the first officer to arrive and that carrying the radios would slow him down. He also doubted their effectiveness inside the school, based on his experience in the district. This decision would impact his ability to communicate with the other officers and forced him to use a cell phone.
Arredondo began working with Uvalde Police officers to locate the gunman. According to his statements to the Tribune, Arredondo says a teacher pointed them to the wing the gunman had entered where they soon heard a “great deal of rounds” being fired. He believed that was the time the gunman entered the open classroom.
Attempting to enter behind the gunman, Arredondo tried to open both classroom doors, but were locked. Arredondo told the Tribune some of the bullets traveled through the locked classroom door, injuring officers in the hallway. The officers, suffering grazing bullet wounds, returned to contain the gunman.
Arredondo says the security features designed to protect students ultimately prevented him from reaching the shooter. Arredondo told the Tribune the classroom door was reinforced with a steel jamb, preventing officers from kicking it in to gain access. The classroom lights were also shut off.
The fact that Arredondo did not have his police radios during the time of the shooting also precluded him from hearing information from the 911 call center. He was not aware of any of the 911 calls placed by children. He says officers passed along information by whispering for fear of drawing more gunfire.
Arredondo told the Tribune he used his cell phone to call police dispatch to request SWAT, snipers, and tools to open the classroom door. According to his statement, he believed another officer or official had taken control of the larger response since he had assumed the role of a front-line responder.
Arredondo’s assertion of this to the Tribune is in keeping with the National Incident Management System (NIMS). According to NIMS, developed as the guiding doctrine for responding to emergencies by FEMA in 2005, the overall command of an incident is subject to change for a variety of reasons. One of those reasons is the arrival of a more qualified incident commander from the agency with a higher level of jurisdictional responsibility.
Statements made by the Texas DPS in the days following the shooting indicated they saw Arredondo as the incident commander and criticized his decision to not enter the classroom sooner. During a press conference detailing the timeline of events, the director of the Texas Highway Patrol also indicated a teacher left a door propped open, allowing the gunman to enter the building. That information was later disputed by an attorney retained by the teacher, prompting the DPS to retract that information and issue a correction through a department spokesperson.
According to Arredondo, officers in the hallway had few options. Arredondo tried to talk to the gunman through the walls to establish a line of communication. Still unable to reach the shooter, Arredondo began the evacuation process, telling officers to start breaking exterior classroom windows as some of the gunfire was piercing through the walls.
“The ammunition was penetrating the walls at that point,” Arredondo told the Tribune. “We’ve got him cornered, we’re unable to get to him. You realize you need to evacuate those classrooms while we figured out a way to get in.”
more https://www.breitbart.com/border/2022/06/10/uvalde-school-police-chief-describes-wait-for-keys-to-reach-school-shooter/
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Bigun on June 10, 2022, 07:37:40 pm
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Arredondo disputes assertions that officers’ actions were cowardly and incompetent,
Dispute all you want you POS! All those people are still dead because of you!
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: GtHawk on June 10, 2022, 08:03:58 pm
This arrogant ass is the chief of the school police chief and he doesn't have a master key to all the schools? Yeah tell me another one. How does he explain the Border Patrol special team being able to do what he says wasn't possible? I hope this POS has a damn good attorney because he and the school district are going to need one. Hey maybe they can get Matthew McConaughey to be their Lincoln Lawyer, being an actor seems to have made him an expert on so many things like the 2nd Amendment, Firearms, so why not a lawyer since he played one?
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: roamer_1 on June 11, 2022, 04:26:38 am
This arrogant ass is the chief of the school police chief and he doesn't have a master key to all the schools?
I've got a big ol key with about 500 lbs of bumper...
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on June 11, 2022, 12:49:25 pm
Uvalde school police chief says he didn’t know he was in charge at shooting, gave no orders June 11, 2022 | Ashley Hill |
Deeply criticized for having spent over an hour in the hallway and unable to break through a steel jammed door to reach the gunman at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas on May 24, Uvalde School District Police Chief Pete Arredondo provided insight into what was going through his mind at the grade school massacre where he was on the scene without keys, body armor, police radios or tactical gear.
“I didn’t issue any orders,” Arredondo told The Texas Tribune, despite being widely believed to be in charge during the gunman’s rampage.
“I called for assistance and asked for an extraction tool to open the door,” the 50-year-old law enforcement officer told the outlet in his first comments since the mass shooting. “The only thing that was important to me at this time was to save as many teachers and children as possible.”
more https://www.bizpacreview.com/2022/06/11/uvalde-school-police-chief-says-he-didnt-know-he-was-in-charge-at-shooting-gave-no-orders-1248777/
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Idiot on June 11, 2022, 12:59:51 pm
Uvalde school police chief says he didn’t know he was in charge at shooting, gave no orders June 11, 2022 | Ashley Hill |
Deeply criticized for having spent over an hour in the hallway and unable to break through a steel jammed door to reach the gunman at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas on May 24, Uvalde School District Police Chief Pete Arredondo provided insight into what was going through his mind at the grade school massacre where he was on the scene without keys, body armor, police radios or tactical gear.
“I didn’t issue any orders,” Arredondo told The Texas Tribune, despite being widely believed to be in charge during the gunman’s rampage.
“I called for assistance and asked for an extraction tool to open the door,” the 50-year-old law enforcement officer told the outlet in his first comments since the mass shooting. “The only thing that was important to me at this time was to save as many teachers and children as possible.”
more https://www.bizpacreview.com/2022/06/11/uvalde-school-police-chief-says-he-didnt-know-he-was-in-charge-at-shooting-gave-no-orders-1248777/
Just like Biden...everyone else is to blame.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on June 11, 2022, 01:36:14 pm
Report: Over 12 Students in Uvalde Were Alive During the Hour Before Police Entered Classroom By Cameron Arcand | Jun 10, 2022 2:52 PM ET
Roughly a dozen students at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, were alive for over an hour before law enforcement made it into their classrooms, according to a new report by the New York Times.
There were 33 children and 3 teachers in the path of the shooter, but police reportedly waited an hour- and-17-minutes before four officers entered the classrooms in question–despite 60 officers having arrived at the school, the report says.
From the NYT:
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Investigators have been working to determine whether any of those who died could have been saved if they had received medical attention sooner, according to an official with knowledge of the effort. But there is no question that some of the victims were still alive and in desperate need of medical attention. One teacher died in an ambulance. Three children died at nearby hospitals, according to the documents.
The documents also reveal that the officers had long guns upon arrival, which means they were well-equipped to take down the gunman. As the Times notes, there would likely have been a decreased loss of life had there been a faster direct police response. It ended up being Border Patrol, not local law enforcement, that ended up killing the shooter, the Associated Press reported.
Uvalde school district police Chief Pete Arredondo is the center of scrutiny over the law enforcement response to the shooting that left 19 students and two teachers dead.
more https://redstate.com/carcand/2022/06/10/report-over-12-students-in-uvalde-were-alive-during-the-hour-before-police-entered-classroom-n577137
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Bigun on June 11, 2022, 01:48:14 pm
And when THAT noise draws the attention of the shooter away from the students to the assault force driving a truck through the school doors,SO FREAKING WHAT?
It means the po-po have done the freaking jobs they swore an oath to do by taking the attention AND the gun fire AWAY from the students,and focusing it on the LEO's who HAVE TAKEN A SWORN OATH TO DO THIS VERY FREAKING THING!
We do NOT need LEO agencies running around in this country who are armed to the teeth with automatic weapons and other "tools of the trade" SOLELY SO THEY CAN PROTECT THEMSELVES! We need LEO's who MEAN it when they swear an oath TO PROTECT THE PUBLIC. THAT is what we pay them for.
Instead,it is seems to be increasingly obvious with every year that passes is we are getting LEO's who take the oath and wear the badges so that THEY can carry weapons SOLELY TO DEFEND THEMSELVES.
I am now to the point where I want to see laws passed BANNING the possession of firearms by former cops who have been fired for cause for not rushing to defend the public. After all,ain't these the SAME SOB's that are always on teebee screaming about how the public doesn't have guns or need guns because the public has THEM to protect them from harm?
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: GtHawk on June 11, 2022, 04:06:06 pm
So now the POS is using the Sergeant Schultz defense? (https://i.imgur.com/4lSfUqB.gif)
What this guy needs is a good old fashioned blanket party, followed by tar and feathers and a ride out of town on a split rail. Sometimes the old ways are the best ways.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Hoodat on June 11, 2022, 05:12:42 pm
If only this school district had had their own police force in place to protect the lives of students and teachers.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: 240B on June 11, 2022, 05:21:34 pm
Waiting to get a key from the janitor my @SS! That dog don't hunt!
The Police and the Sheriff were there to protect the shooter from the public, who wanted to rush in and kill him. The Police and the Sheriff were arresting 'parents', while the shooter was killing their children. Goddammit man, ram a truck into the wall to distract him and save a few lives. DO SOMETHING!! Jeez man, lounging in the shade of a tree drinking lattes while listening to gunfire is not appropriate LEO response. These guys have to live with themselves. They have to know every day they wake up that they are freakin cowards.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: sneakypete on June 11, 2022, 05:30:16 pm
They already know this. They have known it all their lives.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: 240B on June 11, 2022, 05:57:31 pm
And these fat, lazy, retards are the guys coming to take our weapons? I doubt it.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on June 12, 2022, 03:17:25 pm
Uvalde school police chief says he didn’t know he was in charge at shooting, gave no orders June 11, 2022 | Ashley Hill |
Deeply criticized for having spent over an hour in the hallway and unable to break through a steel jammed door to reach the gunman at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas on May 24, Uvalde School District Police Chief Pete Arredondo provided insight into what was going through his mind at the grade school massacre where he was on the scene without keys, body armor, police radios or tactical gear.
“I didn’t issue any orders,” Arredondo told The Texas Tribune, despite being widely believed to be in charge during the gunman’s rampage.
“I called for assistance and asked for an extraction tool to open the door,” the 50-year-old law enforcement officer told the outlet in his first comments since the mass shooting. “The only thing that was important to me at this time was to save as many teachers and children as possible.”
more https://www.bizpacreview.com/2022/06/11/uvalde-school-police-chief-says-he-didnt-know-he-was-in-charge-at-shooting-gave-no-orders-1248777/
He should have been immediately fired and all salary/benefits stopped as he failed to do his job, his ONLY reason for being paid. A coward who is hiding from the press as well as his fellow citizens whose kids were sacrificed by his fear and ignorance.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on June 13, 2022, 07:59:33 pm
June 13, 2022 12:42pm EDT City of Uvalde working to 'cover up' police records from shooting: Report The scrutiny centers on school police chief Peter Arredondo By Anders Hagstrom | Fox News
The city of Uvalde is seeking to evade records requests from multiple outlets regarding the police response to last month's shooting at Robb Elementary School, the Daily Mail reported Monday.
Uvalde police are facing heavy scrutiny into their response to the shooting, which left 19 children and two teachers dead. Police stood for nearly an hour outside the pair of classrooms where 18-year-old Salvador Ramos carried out his rampage.
The city reacted to records requests by retaining lawyers and sending a letter to Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton, laying out arguments against fulfilling the requests.
"The City claims that the requested information is not information that is collected, assembled, or maintained under a law or ordinance or in connection with the transaction of official business by a governmental body or for a governmental body or is excepted from disclosure," attorney Cynthia Trevino wrote, according to the Mail.
The lawyers requested a determination from Paxton on whether they were exempt from releasing the information.
Much of the scrutiny has fallen on Uvalde Consolidated Independent School District Police Department Chief Pete Arredondo, who didn't have his police radio with him while responding to the shooting.
Texas Department of Public Safety Director Steven McCraw said during a June 3 press conference that Arredondo had misidentified the situation when he arrived to the school.
more https://www.foxnews.com/us/uvalde-cover-up-police-records-shooting-arredondo
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Hoodat on June 14, 2022, 11:21:19 am
At least one of the officers on the scene had to have had a body cam operating. That recording exists somewhere.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: sneakypete on June 15, 2022, 09:01:37 am
I have no doubt it existed from multiple body cameras at one time,but you can bet the farm they no longer exist.
SOME people would call this "tampering with evidence",but it seems that it is impossible for the po-po to do this,
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on June 18, 2022, 03:48:04 pm
Uvalde cop wielding AR-15 failed to take shot to kill gunman, 18, before he entered school and murdered 19 children because he was scared of hitting kids playing behind the killer
It's another reveal about the police's efforts during the fateful incident where 21 people, including 19 children, were killed The response has the cops under investigation from the Texas Rangers, the U.S. Justice Department and a special committee of the Texas Legislature This admission would mean a second missed opportunity for officers to stop Salvador Ramos before the May 24 rampage inside Robb Elementary School Officials said that a school district police drove past Ramos without seeing him in the school parking lot The unidentified officers, one of whom was armed with an AR-15-style rifle, said they feared hitting children playing in the line of fire outside the school
By Stephen M. Lepore For Dailymail.Com and Associated Press
Published: 20:57 EDT, 17 June 2022 | Updated: 23:51 EDT, 17 June 2022
A Uvalde School District police officer has admitted to passing up a chance to shoot 18-year-old gunman Salvador Ramos because he was scared of hitting children behind the killer.
The admission, uncovered by the New York Times on Friday, revealed that the unnamed cop was holding an AR-15 after rushing to Robb Elementary School on May 24.
He then saw Ramos still outside the building, firing shots at a nearby funeral home.
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/06/18/01/59215491-10928897-This_is_how_the_shooting_played_out_over_the_course_of_nearly_tw-a-7_1655513975009.jpg) This is how the shooting played out over the course of nearly two hours from when gunman Salvador Ramos shot his grandmother at home
more https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10928897/Uvalde-cop-wielding-AR-15-MISSED-chance-shoot-kill-gunman-18-entered-school.html
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on June 19, 2022, 12:41:55 pm
Police Response to Deadly School Shooter Emerges By Bonchie | Jun 19, 2022 8:30 AM ET
While the tragic school shooting in Uvalde, TX, has become overshadowed by a wider national push for “gun control,” the response of the local police remains a top issue.
As RedState has chronicled extensively, decisions were made that not only cost lives but also made no sense whatsoever. Reports in the immediate aftermath indicated the police refused to enter the school, choosing to harass and detain distraught parents instead. In the days following the shooting, revelations that the police waited for a “tactical team” and then wouldn’t even allow that tactical team to enter until the Border Patrol agents finally disobeyed orders over an hour later painted a disturbing picture.
Even past that, we’ve since learned that the shooter walked around for a full 12 minutes before entering the school, shooting indiscriminately. Given the police department itself is less than ten minutes away, that is inexplicable. But if there is any doubt left that the Uvalde police are directly culpable for allowing so much bloodshed, a smoking gun has emerged.
Police Response to Deadly School Shooter Emerges By Bonchie | Jun 19, 2022 8:30 AM ET
While the tragic school shooting in Uvalde, TX, has become overshadowed by a wider national push for “gun control,” the response of the local police remains a top issue.
As RedState has chronicled extensively, decisions were made that not only cost lives but also made no sense whatsoever. Reports in the immediate aftermath indicated the police refused to enter the school, choosing to harass and detain distraught parents instead. In the days following the shooting, revelations that the police waited for a “tactical team” and then wouldn’t even allow that tactical team to enter until the Border Patrol agents finally disobeyed orders over an hour later painted a disturbing picture.
Even past that, we’ve since learned that the shooter walked around for a full 12 minutes before entering the school, shooting indiscriminately. Given the police department itself is less than ten minutes away, that is inexplicable. But if there is any doubt left that the Uvalde police are directly culpable for allowing so much bloodshed, a smoking gun has emerged.
I do. They just keep repeating the Official Police Mantra of "Officer Safety Comes First".
They do NOT exist to protect you. They exist to protect themselves,and if possible,retire early on disability of some sort. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if several of the cops in this story retire early due to the "stress they suffered from press reports".
With a full pension and benefits,of course.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on June 19, 2022, 05:25:31 pm
Or their neighbors who lost kids inside the school.
If I lived next door to one, I believe he would have to move somewhere else.
I expect that there will soon be a rash of suicides in Uvalde but we will likely never hear a word about it if it happens.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on June 19, 2022, 06:42:13 pm
The keystone cops were consummate professionals compared to that Uvalde crew. I don't know how they can live with themselves.
I definitely don't see how they can continue to cash their paychecks as police officers. At the point I realized that I wasn't cut out to be a police officer, I would have immediately resigned.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on June 19, 2022, 06:58:29 pm
I expect that there will soon be a rash of suicides in Uvalde but we will likely never hear a word about it if it happens.
They are now lawyering up.
Uvalde Officials Hire Private Law Firm To Block Release Of ‘Embarrassing’ Information After SHOCKING Details Are Released About The Shooting Then, this morning it was reported that Uvalde police may have stood at the door of the classroom where 18-year-old Salvador Ramos was going on a violent rampage for over an hour. New details released by The Gateway Pundit indicate that the door may have been unlocked. https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/06/uvalde-officials-hire-private-law-firm-block-release-shooting-records-including-highly-embarrassing-information/ https://100percentfedup.com/uvalde-officials-hire-private-law-firm-to-block-release-of-embarrassing-information-after-shocking-details-are-released-about-the-shooting/
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Post by: Hoodat on June 19, 2022, 07:19:08 pm
I definitely don't see how they can continue to cash their paychecks as police officers. At the point I realized that I wasn't cut out to be a police officer, I would have immediately resigned.
I thought about becoming a cop when I first got out of the army,but after maybe seconds of thinking I realized that arresting a child molester/rapist and tying him by the feet to the rear bumper of my patrol car and driving him to the station would probably be frowned upon.
So I decided I just didn't have the necessary "follow the orders rigidly" character required for that job.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Cyber Liberty on June 19, 2022, 08:51:18 pm
I thought about becoming a cop when I first got out of the army,but after maybe seconds of thinking I realized that arresting a child molester/rapist and tying him by the feet to the rear bumper of my patrol car and driving him to the station would probably be frowned upon.
So I decided I just didn't have the necessary "follow the orders rigidly" character required for that job.
On MeWe there's a friend of mine who posts the daily mugshots from our County Jail, and the child molesters all seem to have some type of facial injury.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Smokin Joe on June 19, 2022, 09:28:01 pm
Keeping in mind that gun control proponents didn't need the "cure"---they already have that, in their own minds--our disarmament.
What they needed was the 'disease'. Funny how these incidents are often maximized by "error", "blunders", "bad decisions" and "mistakes", even though there have been enough of them to study thoroughly and eliminate that sort of nonsense.
It is obvious that the best response to someone shooting up the 'hood' near a school, is to stop them--by whatever means--from getting to massed potential victims at the school, especially kids, not to mention other people outside the building.
It is obvious that the sooner the shooter is distracted or taken down, the sooner the killing/wounding stops, especially if the shooter is taken down before getting to where they can do the most harm.
It is obvious that stopping the shooter, by lethal means if necessary, is the primary goal, and enables the prompt administering of first aid and transport of still-living victims to a medical facility.
The sooner those still living victims are transported, the sooner they receive even rudimentary medical attention, the more likely they are to survive.
Yet time and time again, from the Columbine High School incident onward, the obvious behaviour of the shooters pre-event has been ignored. The shooters have managed to gain access, not only to firearms despite being known to be 'troubled', have gained access to buildings and venues with little or no resistance, and LEOs and others have failed to interrupt the shooter and gain control of the scene either before entry to the scene or afterward the incident starts within a time frame that would enhance chances of survival for potential and wounded victims.
Major arterial and venous damage can be survivable for as long as 60 minutes under the right conditions,source (https://biology.stackexchange.com/questions/55220/exsanguination-time-from-damage-to-major-arteries) or as little as 2 minutes depending on the vessel, the nature of the damage, the health of the victim, but waiting 60 minutes is a virtual guarantee of exsanguination, hypovolemic shock, and death if EMS or others are not allowed to treat the patient, stop the blood loss and get them to a medical facility.
It was the wait time at Columbine and elsewhere that kept the merely seriously wounded from having a chance to survive their wounds, and in the case of Uvalde, nearly guaranteed that the seriously wounded would die.
Am I the only one seeing a pattern of actions which continues to maximize the body count at these sort of incidents? From failures to stop known disturbed people (even making open threats on social media) from acquiring firearms, entering the venue/scene/building, when shooting outside failing to keep them from accessing larger, penned up crowds, to failures in physical building security, failures to interdict shooters, failures to move other potential victims out of the area (done at Uvalde, at least somewhat), failure to confront the shooter or utilize sharpshooter assets to stop them, failure to enter the building in a timely fashion, failure to get EMS to the victims...
Now, on that day, there were millions of AR-15 (Stoner variant) type rifles across America that were not used at all, some went to the range for target practice, some were used to hunt invasive and damaging species in rural areas, some were even used by law enforcement or non-LEOs to stop crimes, (although legally LEOs have access to new production rifles which can fire full auto or 3 round bursts and not just semi-auto) and maybe one or two were used in crimes.
Much the same can be said of virtually any tool, from knives, to hammers, to shovels, but the only tool the Government wants to take is the one they are afraid of, and the more they can convince the people they, too should fear that same tool, the better their chance of banning it in hands other than Government's. We all have sufficient historical examples of that situation to see it seldom ends well.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Bigun on June 20, 2022, 01:21:02 pm
I'm hearing from multiple sources that the door to that classroom was never locked at all.
None of the rumors about school security surprises me, @Bigun ...
Doors left propped with a rock... classroom doors left unlocked... Every security system is left lacking by human apathy or negligence. Eternal vigilance is a military concept, hardly suited for the rank and file. Every exploit I know is a product of incompetence or negligence.
Which is why security features are often overcome.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Hoodat on June 20, 2022, 03:16:35 pm
None of the rumors about school security surprises me, @Bigun ...
Doors left propped with a rock... classroom doors left unlocked... Every security system is left lacking by human apathy or negligence. Eternal vigilance is a military concept, hardly suited for the rank and file. Every exploit I know is a product of incompetence or negligence.
Which is why security features are often overcome.
Hey, at least they had their own police force as a backup.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: roamer_1 on June 20, 2022, 06:07:40 pm
None of the rumors about school security surprises me, @Bigun ...
Doors left propped with a rock... classroom doors left unlocked... Every security system is left lacking by human apathy or negligence. Eternal vigilance is a military concept, hardly suited for the rank and file. Every exploit I know is a product of incompetence or negligence.
Which is why security features are often overcome.
That and slimy bastards all too willing to take a paycheck every week and disappear instantly when actual duty calls! Same danged thing happened in Florida IIRC. I still don't know how they can live with themselves. @roamer_1
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: roamer_1 on June 20, 2022, 06:41:48 pm
That and slimy bastards all too willing to take a paycheck every week and disappear instantly when actual duty calls! Same danged thing happened in Florida IIRC. I still don't know how they can live with themselves. @roamer_1
I heard that.
Always comes down the very same way. Security don't stop it. Cops don't stop it.
What stops it is one ornery bastard onsite at the time... willing to send a little light through the sonovabiches head. That's the only thing that stops it ever. And that's what stopped it this time.
But then, I don't see the sense nor have the patience for anything else.
Always comes down the very same way. Security don't stop it. Cops don't stop it.
What stops it is one ornery bastard onsite at the time... willing to send a little light through the sonovabiches head. That's the only thing that stops it ever. And that's what stopped it this time.
But then, I don't see the sense nor have the patience for anything else.
You're right but it wasn't all that long ago that a lawman took his job seriously. What happened to that? Never mind. I already know the answer. (see the George Floyd episode for clues.)
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: roamer_1 on June 20, 2022, 07:14:57 pm
You're right but it wasn't all that long ago that a lawman took his job seriously. What happened to that? Never mind. I already know the answer. (see the George Floyd episode for clues.)
That's right. Alas @Bigun , it seems 'One Riot, One Ranger' rests only in the imagination of the Western mind. **nononono*
That kind seems nearly extinct.
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Post by: roamer_1 on June 20, 2022, 07:16:45 pm
... And that's a damn cryin shame, right there.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Smokin Joe on June 20, 2022, 08:35:30 pm
Hey, at least they had their own police force as a backup.
It sounds like that was setup just provide more union jobs at the taxpayer's expense. No real plans to do the actual job.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mountaineer on June 21, 2022, 11:21:10 am
Tony Plohetski @tplohetski BREAKING: Multiple officers were inside Robb Elementary School with rifles and at least one ballistic shield at 11:52 a.m. the day of the shooting, new video and other evidence shows. They didn’t enter the classroom for another 58 minutes. More soon via @statesman and @KVUE (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FVulPYuWUAAg7I_?format=jpg&name=small) Investigators believe this is significant because it indicates they had more than enough firepower and protection to enter the classroom before they did. Officers were growing impatient far sooner: “If there’s kids in there we need to go in there,” one said on body camera video.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: txradioguy on June 21, 2022, 12:52:40 pm
Tony Plohetski @tplohetski BREAKING: Multiple officers were inside Robb Elementary School with rifles and at least one ballistic shield at 11:52 a.m. the day of the shooting, new video and other evidence shows. They didn’t enter the classroom for another 58 minutes. More soon via @statesman and @KVUE (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FVulPYuWUAAg7I_?format=jpg&name=small) Investigators believe this is significant because it indicates they had more than enough firepower and protection to enter the classroom before they did. Officers were growing impatient far sooner: “If there’s kids in there we need to go in there,” one said on body camera video.
Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't one of the excuses for why they didn't go in sooner was because they didn't have any ballistic shields?
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on June 21, 2022, 01:12:45 pm
Report: Officers Entered Uvalde School 19 Minutes into Attack, Waited ‘Nearly Another Hour’ to Enter Classroom
AWR Hawkins 20 Jun 2022
A KVUE report claims officers were in Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, 19 minutes into the May 24, 2022, attack but did not enter the classroom where the gunman was located until “nearly another hour” later.
A photo obtained by KVUE and the Austin American-Statesman shows that the officers in the school at the 19-minute mark had AR-15 rifles and a ballistic shield:
KVUE noted, “Investigators believe this will prove to be a significant development as it indicates they had more than enough firepower and protection to enter that classroom before they actually did.”
They added, “According to the latest timeline, officers ultimately breached the classroom at 12:50 p.m. The shooter entered at 11:33 a.m.”
A special agent at the Texas Department of Public Safety arrived 20 minutes after the gunman had entered the school. The Texas Tribune relayed the conversation he had with officers who were in the building.
The conversation began with him asking if kids were still inside the classrooms:
“If there is, then they just need to go in,” the agent said.
Another officer answered, “It is unknown at this time.”
The agent shot back, “Y’all don’t know if there’s kids in there?” He added, “If there’s kids in there we need to go in there.”
“Whoever is in charge will determine that,” came the reply.
The inaction appeared too much for the special agent. He noted that there were still children in other classrooms within the school who needed to be evacuated.
“Well, there’s kids over here,” he said. “So I’m getting kids out.”
The Tribune reports that the attack lasted for 77 minutes and officers stayed outside classrooms 111 and 112, positioning themselves on either end of a hallway, “for most of those 77 minutes.”
A special agent at the Texas Department of Public Safety arrived 20 minutes after the gunman had entered the school. The Texas Tribune relayed the conversation he had with officers who were in the building.
The conversation began with him asking if kids were still inside the classrooms:
“If there is, then they just need to go in,” the agent said.
Another officer answered, “It is unknown at this time.”
The agent shot back, “Y’all don’t know if there’s kids in there?” He added, “If there’s kids in there we need to go in there.”
“Whoever is in charge will determine that,” came the reply.
The inaction appeared too much for the special agent. He noted that there were still children in other classrooms within the school who needed to be evacuated.
“Well, there’s kids over here,” he said. “So I’m getting kids out.”
I want names. Who is this "special agent", and who gave the reply “Whoever is in charge will determine that”?
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: verga on June 21, 2022, 01:27:31 pm
There is a very special place in hell for these "men", and I use that word in the loosest sense possible.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Bigun on June 21, 2022, 01:37:54 pm
There is a very special place in hell for these "men", and I use that word in the loosest sense possible.
:yowsa: :amen:
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mountaineer on June 21, 2022, 01:38:35 pm
Jun 21, 2022 8:15 AM EST Journalists and parents kicked out of Uvalde City Council meeting on school shooting Reporters were trying to witness a hearing with testimony about the shooting and to see surveillance footage from inside the school on the day of the Robb Elementary School shooting in Uvalde, Tex. Libby Emmons
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Reporters were asked to leave a meeting at the Uvalde City Hall on Monday night after they were told that the Texas legislators who were present, along with law enforcement, were "intimidated" by the presence of reporters. A chaplain and parents were also asked to leave, prevented from hearing testimony about the May 24 shooting at Robb Elementary that stole the lives of 19 children and two teachers.
As he was exiting, a chaplain said "we want the truth of why they didn't protect our kids," while another father said that his children were scared. Reporters were trying to witness a hearing being held by the a committee from the Texas House of Representatives to hear testimony about the shooting and gather information about the apparently lackluster police response. ...
When CNN correspondent Shimon Prokupecz asked the fire marshal why they journalists were asked to leave, and exactly who was intimidated by their presence, the fire marshal told Propupecz that "we actually had a lady who had a panic attack last week." ...
Full story and video at Post Millennial (https://thepostmillennial.com/journalists-and-parents-kicked-out-of-uvalde-city-council-meeting-on-school-shooting?utm_campaign=64483)
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: sneakypete on June 21, 2022, 01:44:57 pm
I think you are wrong about this. I think the prime excuse they used was "We didn't go in sooner because we are gutless weasels whose prime concern is,as always,officer safety. After all,WHY do you think we became cops?"
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Hoodat on June 21, 2022, 01:47:01 pm
Reporters were asked to leave a meeting at the Uvalde City Hall on Monday night after they were told that the Texas legislators who were present, along with law enforcement, were "intimidated" by the presence of reporters.
That's the whole point. If you had been 'intimidated' from the time you took your oath of office, we wouldn't be in this situation. Oh, the horror of being held accountable for your actions (and inactions), just like those of us in the real world. If I had demonstrated this level of neglect at my job, not only would I already have been fired, but I could possibly be facing civil and/or criminal action as well.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Kamaji on June 21, 2022, 01:50:44 pm
Jun 21, 2022 8:15 AM EST Journalists and parents kicked out of Uvalde City Council meeting on school shooting Reporters were trying to witness a hearing with testimony about the shooting and to see surveillance footage from inside the school on the day of the Robb Elementary School shooting in Uvalde, Tex. Libby EmmonsFull story and video at Post Millennial (https://thepostmillennial.com/journalists-and-parents-kicked-out-of-uvalde-city-council-meeting-on-school-shooting?utm_campaign=64483)
Members of the City Council - politicians who thrive on being in the spotlight - are "intimidated" by the presence of reporters? No, methinks they're intimidated about being caught out for having a thoroughly incompetent police force.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: txradioguy on June 21, 2022, 01:59:39 pm
I think you are wrong about this. I think the prime excuse they used was "We didn't go in sooner because we are gutless weasels whose prime concern is,as always,officer safety. After all,WHY do you think we became cops?"
That's a fair interpretation of what happened as well.
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Post by: Bigun on June 21, 2022, 02:01:20 pm
The more we learn the worse it gets! Which fully explains their attempts to prevent us from learning more.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: sneakypete on June 21, 2022, 02:10:28 pm
Oh,they are all "Manly McStud" during traffic stops of women and unarmed men. One hand on their pistol,and the other on their radio to call for backup.
It's when they meet someone else who is NOT a cop and is armed when they want to call out the National Guard to protect them.
Why the HELL do you think these pukes BECAME cops in the first place,if not to be able to carry loaded weapons everywhere they went,and get away scot-free with intimidating unarmed "civilians"?
I put "civilians" in quotation marks" because these punks see themselves as soldiers. I get a little dizzy from just thinking about THAT one.
BTW,not ALL cops are that way. Especially not the ones in rural areas. I am the one that convinced the local sheriff to vote FOR CC permits when the governor put it up to the local sheriffs to decide. He and I had known each other since I got out of the army,years before,and he was already a deputy on a different force.
So I walk into his office and ask him what he's going to do. He told me he is unsure,and leaning towards "No". So I tell him "What the hell? You have known me most of your freaking life,and I have been carrying a handgun illegally for most of that time,and you knew it,and I don't recall you EVER being scared of me. Hell,I have one in my pocket now,want to see it?"
He laughed,said "No,I don't want to see it."and then told his administrative assistant,who became the next sheriff after he retired,"Go ahead and just give him a permit for anything he wants without bothering me in the future,including machine guns."
He then told me "I want you to be the very first one in my office to get your permit the day they are approved. I want to personally fingerprint you and send your papers off to the state."
BTW,forgot to mention the local sheriff's dept used to have a LOT fewer officers than now. Prior to the above discussion with the sheriff,I have had a couple of different deputies knock on my door late at night and ask me if I would grab my 45 and ride along with them because they might have to make some arrests,and there were a lot of people there. They wanted me to just sit inside the patrol car and not come out unless he was attacked. We are talking about night duty cops that had an area to patrol by themselves that was maybe 40 miles long,and not all the people at these parties were locals they could trust. They would have gone without me if they had to,but these men weren't fools,and I,and maybe a few other "civilians" were the only "backups" available to them that they knew they could trust.
I obviously have NO problem with real cops,but I freaking despise these losers with badges who just do it so they can legally bully and intimidate people,but scream and run off an hide when they suspect that THEY might not have the upper hand.
I suspect the "real" cops think the same way,but just can't speak up for obvious reasons.
Sadly,I suspect the "real cops" are in the minority these days,and the posers dominate.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: sneakypete on June 21, 2022, 02:21:55 pm
Jun 21, 2022 8:15 AM EST Journalists and parents kicked out of Uvalde City Council meeting on school shooting Reporters were trying to witness a hearing with testimony about the shooting and to see surveillance footage from inside the school on the day of the Robb Elementary School shooting in Uvalde, Tex. Libby EmmonsFull story and video at Post Millennial (https://thepostmillennial.com/journalists-and-parents-kicked-out-of-uvalde-city-council-meeting-on-school-shooting?utm_campaign=64483)
Cops and the professional weasels we call politicians were INTIMIDATED" by the public at a public meeting?
WHO THE BLEEP do they think it is that provides ALL their funding,including travel pay and weapons?
Whoever these weasel politicians are,their names should be noted and they should be tossed out of office come the next elections,and replaced by someone who isn't intimidated by the voting public.
And the pols that replaces them should have "tossing those police chiefs out of office without pensions" as their first order of business.
I know the old Soviet Union is THE "model of a perfect government and society" by far too many of our politicians and the police chiefs of today,but we ain't there YET,and they too need to be tossed out on their asses with no pensions or other benefits.
Including body guards for the pols.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Ghost Bear on June 21, 2022, 02:37:57 pm
Jun 21, 2022 8:15 AM EST Journalists and parents kicked out of Uvalde City Council meeting on school shooting Reporters were trying to witness a hearing with testimony about the shooting and to see surveillance footage from inside the school on the day of the Robb Elementary School shooting in Uvalde, Tex. Libby EmmonsFull story and video at Post Millennial (https://thepostmillennial.com/journalists-and-parents-kicked-out-of-uvalde-city-council-meeting-on-school-shooting?utm_campaign=64483)
That action very likely violated the Texas Open Meetings Act.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Bigun on June 21, 2022, 02:39:27 pm
That action very likely violated the Texas Open Meetings Act.
Yeah it did.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on June 21, 2022, 03:24:36 pm
Uvalde hires private law firm to block footage and audio from school shooting The city has received 148 public records requests, and argues they should not have to respond to any of them because it could include "highly embarrassing information." The Post Millennial, Jun 21, 2022
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on June 21, 2022, 03:49:59 pm
Insider Paper @InsiderPaper
BREAKING: Texas police commander says officers could have stopped the gunman in Uvalde school shooting within three minutes - AP
Posted on 8:06 AM · Jun 21st, 2022
https://gettr.com/post/p1f4n1i2b8b
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on June 21, 2022, 07:07:40 pm
'He put the lives of officers before the lives of children': Texas' top cop issues blistering denouncement of Uvalde's police chief and calls him an 'abject failure' as he admits gunman could have been stopped in THREE MINUTES
Speaking at a State Senate hearing Tuesday, Texas Department of Public Safety head Steve McCraw slammed police's response to the May 24 massacre as 'an abject failure' McCraw said there had been enough cops at the scene to stop the gunman three minutes into the massacre The assertion saw McCraw become the latest to lay blame on the botched response on district police chief Pete Arredondo, who reportedly commanded cops on the scene to not confront gunman Salvadaor Ramos In his speech, McCraw said the district chief 'decided to place the lives of officers before the lives of children' The committee was held a day after the Uldave families urged school officials to fire the police chief, during a heated board meeting over the cop's refusal to let officers engage the active shooter last month. Eight people - relatives of the 21 victims as well as residents - spoke during the open forum, held at the school's auditorium four weeks after the shooting The meeting saw relatives of victims join a chorus of voices calling for the nixing of Chief Pete Arredondo active shooter at Robb Elementary School last month. The move at the time was branded 'the wrong decision' by Texas Department of Public Safety head McCraw, and has inspired protests across the state
By Alex Hammer For Dailymail.Com
Published: 10:58 EDT, 21 June 2022 | Updated: 14:21 EDT, 21 June 2022
Uvalde cops had enough officers on the scene of last month's mass shooting to stop the gunman in his tracks, Texas' top law enforcement official has revealed.
Speaking at a State Senate hearing Tuesday, Texas Department of Public Safety head Steve McCraw slammed police's response to the May 24 massacre as 'an abject failure,' and that there had been enough cops at the scene to stop the gunman just three minutes into the shooting.
'Three minutes after the subject entered the west hallway, there was sufficient number of armed officers wearing body armor, to isolate distract and neutralize the subject,' McCraw told the committee while reviewing the timeline of the day's tragic events.
more https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10938229/Uvalde-victims-families-call-police-chief-fired-heated-school-board-meeting.html
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Post by: mystery-ak on June 21, 2022, 07:23:02 pm
June 21, 2022 2:37pm EDT Uvalde city council to consider leave of absence for school police chief Arredondo as pressure mounts Arredondo's response to the shooting was an 'abject failure,' official says By Anders Hagstrom | Fox News
The Uvalde City Council in Texas will consider imposing a leave of absence on school police chief and councilman Peter Arredondo later Tuesday.
Uvalde Mayor Don McGlaughlin is also scheduled to hold a press conference following Tuesday night's city council meeting. The meeting will be the council's first full session since a gunman killed 19 children and two teachers at Robb Elementary School in late May.
Arredondo was the on-scene commander for the police response to the shooting, and he has come under intense scrutiny as more details of the response reach the public.
Arredondo and other officers responded within three minutes of shooter Salvador Ramos beginning his rampage, but did not breach the door to the pair of classrooms for more than an hour.
more https://www.foxnews.com/us/uvalde-city-council-consider-leave-absence-school-police-chief-arredondo-pressure
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Post by: Smokin Joe on June 21, 2022, 07:26:42 pm
Members of the City Council - politicians who thrive on being in the spotlight - are "intimidated" by the presence of reporters? No, methinks they're intimidated about being caught out for having a thoroughly incompetent police force.
I think they all wanted a chance to sort out the new narrative without anyone else in the room. Whose asses were going to be covered and how, and what new story they were going to pimp to everyone. That way, if they all tell the same lies, it is harder to find out the truth.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on June 21, 2022, 09:10:46 pm
June 21, 2022 3:30pm EDT Texas official: Uvalde shooter driven by social media fame, 'abhorrent behavior' went unchecked for months Texas teacher says Uvalde school shooter 'was the one student who scared her most,' DPS chief testifies
By Danielle Wallace | Fox News
Texas officials holding a special Senate hearing on the Uvalde elementary school mass shooting recognized how despite the 18-year-old gunman’s prior "abhorrent behavior" and animal abuse being common knowledge in the small town of just 17,000 people it was never reported to law enforcement.
During his testimony, Col. Steve McCraw, director of the Texas Department of Public Safety, also acknowledged how social media — and the lure of instant worldwide notoriety — may have motivated 18-year-old Salvador Ramos to commit the act of mass violence at Robb Elementary School on May 24.
In the aftermath of the shooting that left 19 children and two teachers dead, McCraw told the Texas Senate "Special Committee to Protect All Texans" that he has interviewed between 500 to 700 people so far as part of continuing investigations. He said one teacher told him Ramos "was the student who scared her the most" and that the suspect had begun "dressing like a mass shooter" months before.
I think they all wanted a chance to sort out the new narrative without anyone else in the room. Whose asses were going to be covered and how, and what new story they were going to pimp to everyone. That way, if they all tell the same lies, it is harder to find out the truth.
Which is precisely why we have Sunshine laws.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: sneakypete on June 21, 2022, 10:30:27 pm
I think they all wanted a chance to sort out the new narrative without anyone else in the room. Whose asses were going to be covered and how, and what new story they were going to pimp to everyone. That way, if they all tell the same lies, it is harder to find out the truth.
Yup! You just KNOW it breaks their hearts to lay all the blame on a PC "Spanish/Mexican" Chief of Police,but it was either him or them,and it ain't NEVER gonna be "them" when the blame starts going around.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Bigun on June 21, 2022, 10:31:22 pm
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on June 21, 2022, 10:46:59 pm
Grandma Told Shooter to Get Rid of Gun Before Uvalde Massacre
The woman Salvador Ramos shot in the face discovered a weapon a few days before his horrific attack and wanted it out of the house, sources say. Matt Pierce Michael Daly
ULVADE, Texas–In the days before Salvador Ramos shot and killed 21 people at Robb Elementary School, his grandmother demanded he remove a gun from her house, according to a neighbor and a law-enforcement official familiar with the investigation.
Rudy Martinez, who lives in the same neighborhood as Ramos’ family, told The Daily Beast that on the Thursday prior to the deadly massacre, Celia Gonzales, also known as “Sally,” described Ramos becoming outraged at her for insisting he get at least one gun out of her house.
“We heard them yelling,” Martinez told The Daily Beast. “I asked Sally what they were fighting about this time, and she told me that her and her sister or someone had found out that Salvador had brought guns into her house. She didn’t want them there.”
The mass murderer’s aunt, Natalie Salazar, told authorities that family had discovered a semi-automatic rifle in a duffle bag that day—May 19—and told him he had to take it out of the house because his grandfather has a criminal record and is not allowed to possess firearms, according to the law enforcement source. The source believes that the weapon was the Smith & Wesson M&P15 that Ramos legally purchased on May 17, one day after his 18th birthday. Salazar told authorities that Ramos left that residence following the grandmother’s discovery, according to the law-enforcement source.
Records show Ramos acquired a second rifle, a Daniel Defense M4 V7, that Friday. He did not did not appear to have either rifle in his immediate possession when he returned to the home on Sunday, according to the law-enforcement source. The shooting was carried out on Tuesday, May 24.
more https://www.thedailybeast.com/salvador-ramos-uvalde-shooter-told-by-celia-gonzales-to-remove-gun-from-house-before-robb-elementary-attack?ref=scroll
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Kamaji on June 21, 2022, 10:50:29 pm
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on June 21, 2022, 11:28:15 pm
Uvalde Officials Leave School Unlocked, Ignored Classroom Lock Maintenance
Bob Price and Randy Clark 21 Jun 2022
Texas Department of Public Safety Director Steve McCraw revealed critical school safety violations that contributed to the shooter being able to access the Robb Elementary School building and classrooms. The district also failed to correct at least one maintenance issue that kept the specific classroom door where the shooting took place from being lockable.
DPS Director Colonel McCraw told the Texas Senate on Tuesday that the south and west doors were placed into an unlocked setting, State Senator Paul Bettencourt (R-Houston) told Breitbart Texas Tuesday. The doors were routinely left unlocked in direct violation of the Uvalde Consolidated Independent School District’s school safety directive, he related.
The director also testified that the door to classroom 1112 (one of two classrooms where the shooting took place) could not be locked because the steel plate on the frame did not line up with the door’s bolt mechanism. DPS investigators verified that teacher Arnulfo Reyes previously reported the maintenance issue.
“Director McCraw testified the only way to check for sure is from the outside (of the classroom) with a key,” the senator told Breitbart.
The shooter entered the school through the unlocked south door and walked directly to the classroom with the malfunctioning lock, Texas DPS officials told Breitbart. Senator Bettencourt and DPS officials told Breitbart the shooter attended Robb Elementary School in this particular classroom as a younger child.
Uvalde school district police and other officials appeared to be unaware that the door to classroom 1112 could not be locked. In a timeline released on Tuesday during the Senate hearing, multiple officers reported trying to find keys to unlock the door.
At 12:09 p.m. a Uvalde police officer says, “Go around and get the master key to the rooms.” Less than three minutes later, UCISD Police Chief Arrendondo called for a master key, per the timeline document.
At 12:16 p.m., shortly after a BORTAC Border Patrol agent arrived on scene, Chief Arrendondo said, “I just need a key.”
Eleven minutes later, the chief said, “The door is probably going to be locked. That’s the nature of this place. I am going to get more keys to test.” He then complained that the master keys were not working.
“We have the master keys and they’re not working.”
At 12:30, the chief said,” We’re ready to breach, but that door is locked.” Three minutes later he added, “I say we breach through those windows and shoot his bleep head off through the windows.”
A halligan breaching tool arrived at approximately 12:36, the timeline indicates. Six minutes later, the chief again says the door is locked.
“We’re having a bleep problem getting into the room because it is locked. They gotta get that bleep door open, bro. They can’t get that door open. We need more keys or something.”
At 12:46, the chief told the breach team to go ahead if they were ready. A sledge hammer arrived a minute later and the team entered the classroom at 12:50, bringing the incident to a close when a BORTAC agent shot and killed the shooter.
In addition to ignoring the prior classroom 1112 maintenance request, the district also ignored damaged security fencing.
The Uvalde School Preventative Security Measures policy document states:
11: PERIMETER FENCING – Dalton, Anthon, and Robb have fencing that encloses the campus is designed to limit and/or restrict access to individuals without a need to be on the campus.
17: LOCKED CLASSROOM DOOR POLICY – Teachers are instructed to keep their classroom doors closed and locked at all times. Barriers are not to be used.
Senator Bettencourt told Breitbart that there are multiple breaches in the fencing. Instead of repairing the gaps, the district strung rope. The fence is also only four feet tall–allowing the shooter to easily enter the school perimeter.
This is one of those situations where lives would have been saved if Arredondo had simply stayed at home.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mountaineer on June 22, 2022, 01:01:52 am
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Officer husband of slain Uvalde teacher was detained, had gun taken away after trying to save wife Texas DPS director said Eva Mireles told her husband she ‘had been shot and was dying’ Mary Claire Patton, Digital Journalist Published: June 21, 2022 at 2:49 PM
UVALDE, Texas – Shocking testimony from the Texas DPS director on Tuesday has revealed even more insight into the “abject failure” of response to the Uvalde shooting that occurred on May 24.
Texas Department of Public Safety Director Col. Steven McCraw revealed that the husband of slain elementary teacher Eva Mireles tried to save her but was barred from doing so.
Ruben Ruiz is a police officer for the school district and was on the scene after the gunman entered the school and opened fire.
McCraw said Mireles called Ruiz and told him that “she had been shot and was dying.”
“And what happened to him, is he tried to move forward into the hallway,” McCraw said. “He was detained and they took his gun away from him and escorted him off the scene.”
McCraw didn’t say who specifically detained Ruiz. ...
Yeah. It goes into the territory that feeds untidy conspiracy theories about 'someone' wanting to maximize the body count.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on June 22, 2022, 01:32:28 am
Jack Posobiec @JackPosobiec
People need to understand that Pete Arredondo isn't the police chief for all of Uvalde
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on June 22, 2022, 01:37:30 am
"BREAKING - UVALDE POLICE SAID THEY HAD TO WAIT (50 minutes) FOR A KEY TO OPEN THE DOOR. THE DOOR WAS OPEN. IT WAS NEVER LOCKED!!!!! Texas hearing on police response." (Video)
"BREAKING - UVALDE POLICE SAID THEY HAD TO WAIT (50 minutes) FOR A KEY TO OPEN THE DOOR. THE DOOR WAS OPEN. IT WAS NEVER LOCKED!!!!! Texas hearing on police response." (Video)
It's crap if a guy getting a haircut can score one from the janitor.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on June 22, 2022, 01:43:52 am
Tim Wood 🇺🇸⚔️ @TimOnPoint
The door between the shooter and the police was unlocked. The police could have engaged the shooter within 3 minutes. They did nothing for an hour. The Chief lied about what happened to cover his ass.
No words can make up for this failure of action.
1:57 PM · Jun 21, 2022·Twitter Web App
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on June 22, 2022, 02:24:27 am
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Cyber Liberty on June 22, 2022, 02:28:55 am
Yeah. It goes into the territory that feeds untidy conspiracy theories about 'someone' wanting to maximize the body count.
That it does.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on June 22, 2022, 12:20:01 pm
In that case,he SHOULD have been in his office INSIDE the school,or patrolling the hallways (given he seems to weigh twice as much as he should,patrolling seems to be out of the question).
Either way,I wan to hear his excuse for NOT being in the building and personally confronting the shooter.
And then I want to see him buried in law suits from the parents of the children who died.
Seeing as how he is of the preferred race and a Po-Po on top of that,we all KNOW he is never going to be charged with any crimes,unless there is a REALLY minor crime that he can be charged with that will somehow make him immune to law suits.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: sneakypete on June 22, 2022, 12:55:59 pm
It is more likely that Black Lives Matter will adopt him like they did Saint George. Hell,they might even put up a statue of him in the town square,sitting at his desk and eating donuts.
Where there any black children murdered? If there were,I don't remember reading about it,and black children being murdered hits the ebenin national news ifn hit bees a cracka or beaner what kills dem.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Kamaji on June 22, 2022, 12:57:39 pm
Uvalde mayor Don McLaughlin claims head of Texas DPS is lying or leaking info about police response
By MaryAnn Martinez June 21, 2022
The mayor of Uvalde, Texas says the head of the state’s department of public safety is lying or leaking information after devastating testimony from the head of the Texas DPS earlier today, blaming the failed police response to the school shooting that claimed 21 lives on the Uvalde school district police chief.
“The gloves are off,” said Mayor Don McLaughlin. “As we know it, we will share it. We are not going to hold back. We kept quiet at the request because we thought we were doing an investigation and doing the right thing but yet, they can go to Austin and have public deals and talk about different things and don’t share anything with this city.”
McLaughlin said he’s been unable to get information for himself or the grieving families of 19 students and two teachers killed at Robb Elementary School he represents from DPS, the governor’s office and any other agency. Along with the rest of the country, he learned details about the investigator Tuesday, as DPS Director Col. Steve McCraw testified before a special Texas Senate committee today publicly.
“The only thing stopping a hallway of dedicated officers from entering room 111 and 112 was the on-scene commander who decided to place the lives of officers before the lives of children,” Texas DPS Director Steve McCraw told the committee about Uvalde Consolidated ISD Police Chief Pete Arrendondo.
Arredondo himself was the subject of a Uvalde City Council vote Tuesday night, as McLaughlin and the other city council members unanimously voted to deny the police chief, who is also a city council member, a leave of absence.
“Colonel McMcraw, whether you want to call it a lie, leak, mislead or misstate information in order to distance his own troopers and Rangers from the (law enforcement) response,” said McLaughlin. “Every briefing, he leaves out the numbers of his own officers and Rangers that were on scene that day.
Uvalde mayor Don McLaughlin claims head of Texas DPS is lying or leaking info about police response
By MaryAnn Martinez June 21, 2022
The mayor of Uvalde, Texas says the head of the state’s department of public safety is lying or leaking information after devastating testimony from the head of the Texas DPS earlier today, blaming the failed police response to the school shooting that claimed 21 lives on the Uvalde school district police chief.
“The gloves are off,” said Mayor Don McLaughlin. “As we know it, we will share it. We are not going to hold back. We kept quiet at the request because we thought we were doing an investigation and doing the right thing but yet, they can go to Austin and have public deals and talk about different things and don’t share anything with this city.”
McLaughlin said he’s been unable to get information for himself or the grieving families of 19 students and two teachers killed at Robb Elementary School he represents from DPS, the governor’s office and any other agency. Along with the rest of the country, he learned details about the investigator Tuesday, as DPS Director Col. Steve McCraw testified before a special Texas Senate committee today publicly.
“The only thing stopping a hallway of dedicated officers from entering room 111 and 112 was the on-scene commander who decided to place the lives of officers before the lives of children,” Texas DPS Director Steve McCraw told the committee about Uvalde Consolidated ISD Police Chief Pete Arrendondo.
Arredondo himself was the subject of a Uvalde City Council vote Tuesday night, as McLaughlin and the other city council members unanimously voted to deny the police chief, who is also a city council member, a leave of absence.
“Colonel McMcraw, whether you want to call it a lie, leak, mislead or misstate information in order to distance his own troopers and Rangers from the (law enforcement) response,” said McLaughlin. “Every briefing, he leaves out the numbers of his own officers and Rangers that were on scene that day.
Sadly,I suspect the "real cops" are in the minority these days,and the posers dominate.
Over the years I have gotten to know most of the SRO's and about 1/3 of the Deputies as well as the Sheriff both in an official capacity and casual way. Most of them have kids, or relatives connected to the district. In a situation like this I am certain the discussion would be "No I'm going first, the rest of you can be second". My first or second year we had a report that a student was bringing a gun to school. The SRO and our biggest Assistant Principal came down to my room and quietly escorted the student out. The SRO had his hand on his 9mm the whole time, but cool calm and collected the whole time.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Bigun on June 22, 2022, 01:25:55 pm
As the mayor,he is the one that hired that affirmative action parasite,so he is covering his own political ass,period.
:yowsa: Absolutely!
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: 240B on June 22, 2022, 01:36:57 pm
By all known presented information so far, the Police/Sheriff showed up to "protect" the shooter. All they did was to use their weapons and authority to 'prevent' anyone from stopping the massacre of tiny children. When asked why they supported and protected the shooter instead of the children, why they attacked the public/parents instead of the perpetrator, their response was, "We could have been shot!" Well geewhiz guys, that's exactly why you have guns.
The border patrol went against the "order of protection" for the shooter, pushed all the fat overweight anchor Cops out of the way and shot the guy. Without border patrol heroic intervention, the shooter may still be there to this day. Obviously the LEOs on the scene were more interested in protecting the shooter and their own selves than they cared about the children being shot and killed within earshot of all of them.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: sneakypete on June 22, 2022, 01:43:46 pm
Obviously the LEOs on the scene were more interested in protecting the shooter and their own selves than they cared about the children being shot and killed within earshot of all of them.
I have personally heard more than one local cop state "My number 1 priority is to make sure that *I* go home safely every night!",and then smiling,just like that is something to be proud of.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: DB on June 22, 2022, 01:46:20 pm
The simple truth is, had the school police not shown up, more children would have lived.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Cyber Liberty on June 22, 2022, 01:50:22 pm
Sadly,I have to agree with that. All they did was get in the way of the people trying to save the children.
I HAVE to believe they did this because they were ORDERED to do this. This sort of thing CAN'T just happen by accident. That would be impossible.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: 240B on June 22, 2022, 01:51:13 pm
Had the Sheriff/Police not shown up, more children would have lived. They interpreted their job was to 'protect' the shooter against the parents and the public.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Cyber Liberty on June 22, 2022, 01:53:27 pm
Had the Sheriff/Police not shown up, more children would have lived. They interpreted their job was to 'protect' the shooter against the parents and the public.
I'm sure they considered the possibility that the shooter was an aspiring hip hop artist going back to school, trying to improve his life.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on June 22, 2022, 02:00:59 pm
Jack Posobiec @JackPosobiec
We got rid of toxic masculinity and ended up with 19 police officers standing down in a Texas schoolhouse with a crazed gunman
3:07 PM · Jun 21, 2022 from Washington, DC·Twitter Web
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Bigun on June 22, 2022, 02:01:48 pm
The simple truth is, had the school police not shown up not existed, more children would have lived.
I respectfully offer the above small correction @DB
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on June 22, 2022, 02:03:49 pm
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: 240B on June 22, 2022, 02:14:36 pm
Well, unfortunately I am old ... and seasoned with crazy insane experiences across the very Earth itself. I know failure. I know regret. Every morning these guys wake up they will hear that gunfire. They will know another child died. They will see the blood and the bodies every day. They may have saved their own lives, but at what cost? How will they live with that? A coward dies a thousand times ... in his mind. I wish them all long life and good health. May they live forever.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Hoodat on June 22, 2022, 02:22:04 pm
@DB I HAVE to believe they did this because they were ORDERED to do this. This sort of thing CAN'T just happen by accident. That would be impossible.
Hey,, it got high gas and food prices off the front page.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: catfish1957 on June 22, 2022, 02:24:27 pm
Hey,, it got high gas and food prices off the front page.
J6 hearings too, had only one purpose. Distract from historic economic disaster unfolding.
And .... trying to head off a '24 Trump run.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on June 22, 2022, 03:01:32 pm
Mary Claire Patton, Digital Journalist
Published: June 21, 2022 at 2:49 PM
Officer husband of slain Uvalde teacher was detained, had gun taken away after trying to save wife Texas DPS director said Eva Mireles told her husband she ‘had been shot and was dying’
UVALDE, Texas – Shocking testimony from the Texas DPS director on Tuesday has revealed even more insight into the “abject failure” of response to the Uvalde shooting that occurred on May 24.
Texas Department of Public Safety Director Col. Steven McCraw revealed that the husband of slain elementary teacher Eva Mireles tried to save her but was barred from doing so.
Ruben Ruiz is a police officer for the school district and was on the scene after the gunman entered the school and opened fire.
McCraw said Mireles called Ruiz and told him that “she had been shot and was dying.”
“And what happened to him, is he tried to move forward into the hallway,” McCraw said. “He was detained and they took his gun away from him and escorted him off the scene.”
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on June 22, 2022, 07:40:30 pm
Officer husband of slain Uvalde teacher was detained, had gun taken away after trying to save wife Texas DPS director said Eva Mireles told her husband she ‘had been shot and was dying’
UVALDE, Texas – Shocking testimony from the Texas DPS director on Tuesday has revealed even more insight into the “abject failure” of response to the Uvalde shooting that occurred on May 24.
Texas Department of Public Safety Director Col. Steven McCraw revealed that the husband of slain elementary teacher Eva Mireles tried to save her but was barred from doing so.
Ruben Ruiz is a police officer for the school district and was on the scene after the gunman entered the school and opened fire.
McCraw said Mireles called Ruiz and told him that “she had been shot and was dying.”
“And what happened to him, is he tried to move forward into the hallway,” McCraw said. “He was detained and they took his gun away from him and escorted him off the scene.”
Those goobers had better drop down to their knees and offer prayers of thanks to whatever they pray to that it wasn't me they were trying to stop.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on June 22, 2022, 11:51:01 pm
June 22, 2022 7:06pm EDT Uvalde school police chief placed on administrative leave as criticism grows over response to shooting A Texas DPS official accused Pete Arredondo of placing 'the lives of officers before the lives of children' during the Uvalde school shooting By Paul Best | Fox News
Pete Arredondo, the incident commander at Robb Elementary School when 19 children and two adults were killed last month, has been placed on administrative leave, Uvalde Independent School District Superintendent Hal Harrell announced Wednesday.
"From the beginning of this horrible event, I shared that the district would wait until the investigation was complete before making personnel decisions," Harrell explained. "Today, I am still without details of the investigations being conducted by various agencies. Because of the lack of clarity that remains and the unknown timing of when I will receive the results of the investigations, I have made the decision to place Chief Arredondo on administrative leave effective on this date."
Arredondo has been sharply criticized by everyone from Texas Department of Public Safety Director Steven McCraw to parents in the Uvalde community for his response to last month's shooting.
more https://www.foxnews.com/us/uvalde-school-police-chief-placed-administrative-leave-criticism-grows-response-shooting
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Smokin Joe on June 23, 2022, 12:03:40 am
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on June 23, 2022, 03:38:33 pm
Those who failed the qualifications for prison guard.
And the requirements for ANY other form of law enforcement.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on June 23, 2022, 04:00:13 pm
Anybody care to speculate on the type of people who serve in these public school district police departments?
In my district, they are actual members of the County Sheriffs department, and go through the exact same training as regular officers, plus they have additional training because they are also working with kids in middle and elementary schools. Lets not be in a rush to condemn all officers because of the actions of some people in the Uvalde and Broward county. Denigrate the ones that deserve it, but lets not tar everyone with the same brush.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Bigun on June 23, 2022, 04:50:00 pm
In my district, they are actual members of the County Sheriffs department, and go through the exact same training as regular officers, plus they have additional training because they are also working with kids in middle and elementary schools. Lets not be in a rush to condemn all officers because of the actions of some people in the Uvalde and Broward county. Denigrate the ones that deserve it, but lets not tar everyone with the same brush.
That's good @verga but let me assure you that it is not the norm.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: GtHawk on June 23, 2022, 06:01:18 pm
In my district, they are actual members of the County Sheriffs department, and go through the exact same training as regular officers, plus they have additional training because they are also working with kids in middle and elementary schools. Lets not be in a rush to condemn all officers because of the actions of some people in the Uvalde and Broward county. Denigrate the ones that deserve it, but lets not tar everyone with the same brush.
Fair enough, on a case by case basis.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: sneakypete on June 23, 2022, 11:42:15 pm
In my district, they are actual members of the County Sheriffs department, and go through the exact same training as regular officers, plus they have additional training because they are also working with kids in middle and elementary schools.
Same here,but I live in a rural area,and people in rural areas tend to help each other more than city creatures.
Same here and no argument.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on June 27, 2022, 07:08:18 pm
Uvalde Mom Who Jumped Fence to Save Her Son Says She’s Being Harassed by Cops in Her Home
by Jo Marney
A mom who was handcuffed by cops outside Robb Elementary School before managing to climb over a fence to reach her two sons says she’s now being harassed by police who come to her home.
Angeli Rose Gomez rushed to the school, where her son was a student when she heard about the shooting which left 19 children and two teachers dead.
Cops were waiting outside the school to stop parents from going in to help their kids escape, but authorities didn’t enter the building to eliminate the gunman, Salvador Ramos, 18, for a disgraceful 77 minutes.
When she arrived, an officer told her to move her car and stay away, but Gomez was determined not to abandon her kids, and it was clear nothing was being done to help them.
Frantic parents including Gomez battled with cops to try to get to their children. Cops even handcuffed her to stop the frightened mother from attempting to enter the building, but Gomez managed to convince an officer to take the cuffs off.
Other parents were pepper-sprayed, tackled, and manhandled.
more https://trendingpolitics.com/uvalde-mom-who-jumped-fence-to-save-her-son-says-shes-being-harassed-by-cops-in-her-home-jolo/
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: sneakypete on June 27, 2022, 09:44:46 pm
Uvalde Mom Who Jumped Fence to Save Her Son Says She’s Being Harassed by Cops in Her Home
by Jo Marney
A mom who was handcuffed by cops outside Robb Elementary School before managing to climb over a fence to reach her two sons says she’s now being harassed by police who come to her home.
Angeli Rose Gomez rushed to the school, where her son was a student when she heard about the shooting which left 19 children and two teachers dead.
Cops were waiting outside the school to stop parents from going in to help their kids escape, but authorities didn’t enter the building to eliminate the gunman, Salvador Ramos, 18, for a disgraceful 77 minutes.
When she arrived, an officer told her to move her car and stay away, but Gomez was determined not to abandon her kids, and it was clear nothing was being done to help them.
Frantic parents including Gomez battled with cops to try to get to their children. Cops even handcuffed her to stop the frightened mother from attempting to enter the building, but Gomez managed to convince an officer to take the cuffs off.
Other parents were pepper-sprayed, tackled, and manhandled.
more https://trendingpolitics.com/uvalde-mom-who-jumped-fence-to-save-her-son-says-shes-being-harassed-by-cops-in-her-home-jolo/
I sincerely hope there are a PILE of lawsuits filed against the city and the PD. @mystery-ak
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on July 02, 2022, 04:15:39 pm
Was down in Uvalde area over the weekend to attend a funeral.
Painfully obvious that community is still reeling over what happened, and it won't stop hurting for quite some time.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Cyber Liberty on July 02, 2022, 05:00:50 pm
Was down in Uvalde area over the weekend to attend a funeral.
Painfully obvious that community is still reeling over what happened, and it won't stop hurting for quite some time.
It must be painful, having been betrayed by it's own Police who let it happen, possibly on purpose.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on July 02, 2022, 08:00:30 pm
Embattled Uvalde School Police Chief Resigns from City Council After Shooting
Bob Price 2 Jul 2022
Uvalde school district Police Chief Pete Arredondo resigned from his newly elected seat on the City Council. The chief is blamed by Texas Department of Public Safety officials for delays in responding to the Robb Elementary School Shooting on May 24.
Just weeks before the school shooting that left 21 people dead, voters in Uvalde elected Arredondo to a seat on the City Council, the Uvalde Leader-News reported. In the days that followed the shooting, officials delayed the swearing-in ceremony.
“After much consideration, I regret to inform those who voted for me that I have decided to step down as a member of the city council for District 3,” Arredondo said in a written statement. “The mayor, the city council, and the city staff must continue to move forward without distractions. I feel this is the best decision for Uvalde.”
The Uvalde Consolidated Independent School District placed Arredondo on administrative leave on June 22, the local newspaper reported. At $90,750 per year in salary, the chief is the highest paid law enforcement official in Uvalde County.
“As we continue to grieve over the tragedy that occurred on May 24th, we pray for the families involved and our community,” the chief added in his statement. “Uvalde has a rich history of loving and supporting thy neighbor and we must continue to do so. In speaking with other communities that have had similar tragedies, the guidance has been the same… continue to support the families, continue to support our community, and definitely, to keep our faith.”
“As I think about my life, from growing up as a child and to adulthood, Uvalde has held an attraction that is very unique,” Arredondo concluded. “At the center of that attraction, is our community members. Together, we will keep Uvalde strong. Uvalde strong, Uvalde home.”
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on July 02, 2022, 08:32:10 pm
Now the people should see that he is stripped of his salary and brought forward to a court of law to answer for his negligence in the killing of their kids.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Kamaji on July 02, 2022, 08:36:59 pm
Now the people should see that he is stripped of his salary and brought forward to a court of law to answer for his negligence in the killing of their kids.
:thumbsup:
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Fishrrman on July 02, 2022, 08:38:37 pm
"Uvalde school district Police Chief Pete Arredondo resigned from his newly elected seat on the City Council."
He'll probably go incognito, or even leave the country...
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: sneakypete on July 02, 2022, 11:11:05 pm
I think it is more likely he will create a new organization to "Protect the Rights of Black Police Officers",and be seen,heard,and supported on all the leftist talk shows as he makes appearances talking about "gun violence" and "racism".
The man is going to pull in millions.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on July 06, 2022, 02:19:09 pm
July 6, 2022 9:52am EDT Uvalde, Texas, mayor alleges shooting investigation 'cover-up' The Robb Elementary School attack in May left at least 19 students and 2 teachers dead
By Greg Norman | Fox News
The mayor of Uvalde, Texas, is now accusing state law enforcement of orchestrating a "cover-up" in the Robb Elementary School shooting investigation as questions remain as to why police didn’t engage the gunman sooner.
Uvalde Mayor Don McLaughlin made the remark to CNN as the Texas Department of Public Safety continues to investigate the May 24 attack, which left at least 19 students and two teachers dead.
"I think it’s a cover-up, [Texas Department of Public Safety Director Steven] McCraw is covering up for maybe his agencies or maybe he told the story he told that you know ... what do they say ‘it’s always hard when you tell a lie that you have to keep telling a lie’. I’m not saying he is lying, maybe he was misled," McLaughlin said.
"Every agency in that hallway is going to have to share the blame," he added, referencing criticism as to why responding officers didn’t engage shooter Salvador Ramos earlier than they did. "And like I said, again I’ll go back to when have you ever seen a federal or state law enforcement officer take their cues from local law enforcement."
more https://www.foxnews.com/us/uvalde-texas-mayor-alleges-shooting-cover
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Bigun on July 06, 2022, 04:02:23 pm
LOL! It's been CYA 24/7 since hour 2 of day one and Mr. Mayor FINALLY catches a clue!
**nononono*
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Cyber Liberty on July 06, 2022, 04:25:05 pm
Fingers are pointing in every direction and that has been the case from the beginning but only Steve McCraw (head of DPS) had the stones to call this CF what it was early on!
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: berdie on July 06, 2022, 08:22:55 pm
I have been more than willing to wait until there is truth to be told. But right now, I don't believe any of them. It's just tragic.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Hoodat on July 06, 2022, 10:55:03 pm
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on July 08, 2022, 05:21:32 pm
What we know, minute by minute, about how the Uvalde shooting and police response unfolded
What we know, minute by minute, about how the Uvalde shooting and police response unfolded
State officials provided a timeline of the massacre and have corrected crucial details amid public demands for information on how authorities handled the situation.
by Reese Oxner, Carla Astudillo and Eric Neugeboren May 27, 2022 Updated: July 6, 2022
Details of how a gunman was able to enter Robb Elementary School in Uvalde and kill 19 students and two teachers over the course of an hour have come out in parcels since the shooting.
Gov. Greg Abbott and Texas Department of Public Safety officials have walked back some of their initial statements about the shooting and the authorities’ response after contradictory information came to light. Authorities first stated that officers engaged with the gunman before he entered the school; they later corrected themselves and said he went inside unopposed.
Details of how long it took for officers to reenter the school after their first confrontation with the shooter — about 1 hour and 15 minutes — have also sparked widespread outrage and criticism.
Here is a timeline of the events according to the most recent information available.
Editor’s note: This timeline will continue to be updated with new information as it becomes available.
more https://www.texastribune.org/2022/05/27/uvalde-texas-school-shooting-timeline/
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on July 12, 2022, 09:21:30 pm
Cops heard gunshots in Uvalde classroom but still did nothing, new video shows By Joseph Wilkinson New York Daily News • Jul 12, 2022 at 4:47 pm
Even after the Uvalde school shooter launched a second burst of gunfire inside a fourth-grade classroom, police officers still didn’t try to stop him, video reveals.
Salvador Ramos, 18, entered a Robb Elementary School classroom on May 24 and unleashed more than 100 bullets inside the classroom before cops even arrived, video obtained Tuesday by the Austin American-Statesman showed.
The first responding officers approached the classroom just three minutes later. Ramos fought them off with a short burst, sending the few officers on the scene scrambling in retreat.
Then, they waited. And waited. And waited. More than half an hour later, even after multiple children inside the classroom called 911 and begged for help, the heavily armed cops were seen still standing in the hallway.
At 12:21, 48 minutes after entering the building, Ramos fired four more gunshots. Several cops responded by approaching the classroom door. But they didn’t enter.
Nine more minutes elapsed, and the cops continued doing nothing. One was bored enough to get some hand sanitizer from a wall-mounted dispenser in the school, video shows.
Finally, 77 minutes after Ramos entered the building, the cops launched a chaotic, Border Patrol-led breach of the classroom and fatally shot the teenager.
I've been asking that question for weeks. Some of them won't be able to.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on July 12, 2022, 10:24:09 pm
More
Disturbing new footage shows Salvador Ramos roam Uvalde school halls, cops running away from gunshots By Ben Kesslen and MaryAnn Martinez July 12, 2022 5:00pm
(https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/07/uvalde-shooting-video-010.jpg?quality=75&strip=all&w=1536) Footage shows a cop reach for hand sanitizer during the chaos.
It is not until 77 minutes in that the cops finally breach the classroom where Ramos, who died in the attack, had slaughtered innocent kids.
In one moment during the recording, more than 45 minutes after they arrived on the scene, an officer in a helmet and vest is seen using a wall-mounted hand sanitizer dispenser. That same officer is also seen looking at his phone.
(https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/07/uvalde-police-officers-school.jpg?quality=75&strip=all&w=1535) The video validates damning reports that local cops failed to stop the bloodbath despite being just yards away from the shooter.
more https://nypost.com/2022/07/12/cops-ran-away-from-gunshots-during-uvalde-school-shooting-video/
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Elderberry on July 13, 2022, 12:32:40 pm
Uvalde school shooting video: What happened at Robb Elementary?
WFAA 7/12/2022
Uvalde school shooting video: What happened at Robb Elementary?
WFAA has decided to release the footage from Uvalde, obtained by our sister station KVUE in Austin, to provide transparency to the community and show what happened.
As of July 12, 2022, officials had not released video from the day a gunman entered Robb Elementary School and killed 19 students along with two teachers.
WFAA has decided to release the footage from Uvalde, obtained by our sister station KVUE in Austin, to provide transparency to the community and show what happened on May 24, 2022.
Viewer discretion is advised.
MORE: https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/spe...
VIDEO: Hallway footage in Uvalde school shooting obtained by KVUE Until Tuesday, the public has not seen footage from inside Robb Elementary leading up to the tragic deaths of 21 people.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: catfish1957 on July 13, 2022, 12:35:45 pm
VIDEO: Hallway footage in Uvalde school shooting obtained by KVUE Until Tuesday, the public has not seen footage from inside Robb Elementary leading up to the tragic deaths of 21 people.
Adding to the Uvalde mayor/government slamming this film release......Maybe the most compelling evidence I have ever seen of a need for a complete municipal housecleaning.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: DefiantMassRINO on July 13, 2022, 12:48:51 pm
Every elected official in Uvalde needs to resign.
The standard operating proceedure since Columbine is to rush/attack the shooter immediately. There is no excuse for not entering that classroom immediately.
Not only did the town fail to serve and protect its most vulnerable citizens, worse, it also tried to coverup its failures.
If not school children in a classroom, who are police supposed to serve and protect?
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Kamaji on July 13, 2022, 12:54:34 pm
The standard operating proceedure since Columbine is to rush/attack the shooter immediately. There is no excuse for not entering that classroom immediately.
Not only did the town fail to serve and protect its most vulnerable citizens, worse, it also tried to coverup its failures.
If not school children in a classroom, who are police supposed to serve and protect?
:thumbsup:
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mountaineer on July 13, 2022, 01:20:33 pm
Canadian anti-gunner gets schooled.
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Mei West 🇨🇦🌻 @Maybelline_CDN If a crowd of police officers don’t feel safe confronting a single shooter with an AR-15, maybe average citizens shouldn’t own an AR-15. 9:51 PM · Jul 12, 2022·
Edward Ahlsen-Girard @efagirard If a crowd of police officers don't feel safe confronting a single shooter with an AR-15, who do you think is going to take them away from the people who own them now? 8:26 AM · Jul 13, 2022
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Bigun on July 13, 2022, 01:26:38 pm
The standard operating proceedure since Columbine is to rush/attack the shooter immediately. There is no excuse for not entering that classroom immediately.
Not only did the town fail to serve and protect its most vulnerable citizens, worse, it also tried to coverup its failures.
If not school children in a classroom, who are police supposed to serve and protect?
I have been more than willing to give these people a benefit of a doubt until more substantial evidence came out. Well, it's out and I must respectfully stand down. They are a bunch of liars and cowards.
My heart has broken and continues to break for all concerned.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: American Girl on July 14, 2022, 03:27:44 pm
The officer was disarmed shortly after the picture was taken and he hasn't been able to get in again! His wife is now dead because of that!
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: American Girl on July 14, 2022, 04:01:27 pm
The officer was disarmed shortly after the picture was taken and he hasn't been able to get in again! His wife is now dead because of that!
If not school children in a classroom, who are police supposed to serve and protect?
If not unborn children still in the womb, who is society supposed to serve and protect? The devaluation of human live affects everyone.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on July 17, 2022, 07:56:43 pm
Texas House Releases 77-Page Report into Uvalde School Shooting
Bob Price 17 Jul 2022
The Texas House Investigative Committee on the Robb Elementary School Shooting released a 77-page report on Sunday providing the most detailed account of the incident to date. The report said no one was able to stop the shooter because of what it described as “systemic failures and egregious poor decision making” by people who were either in power our could have been in power to take action.
Many public statements and other investigative bodies attempted to lay blame on the Uvalde School District police chief and local law enforcement. This report added to that analysis, saying, “These local officials were not the only ones expected to supply the leadership needed during this tragedy. Hundreds of responders from numerous law enforcement agencies — many of whom were better trained and better equipped than the school district police — quickly arrived on the scene.”
Texas State Representatives Dustin Burrows (R-Lubbock) and Joe Moody (D-El Paso) along with former Texas Supreme Court Justice Eva Guzman led the investigation and released the 77-page report Sunday afternoon in Uvalde.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on July 17, 2022, 11:20:55 pm
A total of 376 law enforcement officers responded to the mass shooting at Uvalde elementary school, Texas House report says Katie Balevic 4 hours ago
Some 376 officers were at Robb Elementary School amid the Uvalde shooting, according to a new report. A majority were federal and state officers, including 149 Border Patrol agents and 91 Texas DPS officers. Officers "failed to prioritize saving the lives of innocent victims over their own safety," the report said.
A total of 376 law enforcement officers were at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas when a gunman was at large for over an hour on May 24, leaving 21 people dead.
A majority of the officers were federal and state actors, including 149 US Border Patrol officers and 91 Texas Department of Public Safety officers. Twenty-five officers were from the Uvalde Police Department, and 16 were from the Uvalde County Sheriff's Office.
"They failed to prioritize saving the lives of innocent victims over their own safety," according to an interim report released Sunday by the Texas House investigative committee on the shooting.
The report, reviewed by Insider, assessed the disorganized response from multiple law enforcement agencies, some of which have changed their facts about the shooting over a dozen times. Until the release of the report, blame had primarily been focused on Uvalde Police Chief Pete Arredondo, who was widely criticized for deciding to wait over an hour, 73 minutes, for backup instead of confronting the shooter, who was ultimately killed by US Border Patrol officers.
more https://www.insider.com/376-officers-were-at-uvalde-elementary-school-over-hour-report-2022-7
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Bigun on July 17, 2022, 11:38:27 pm
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"They've got no business wearing a badge. None of them do," Vincent Salazar, the grandfather of slain 11-year-old Layla Salazer, told The Associated Press.
I'm in complete agreement Mr. Salazar. I don't know how they can live with themselves.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: 240B on July 17, 2022, 11:53:20 pm
The very minute one of the Sheriffs blurted out, "We could have been shot!" when asked about the delay, that should have been the end of his career and so many others.
These guys want the power and the respect of being a first responder, but are unwilling to the bear responsibility that comes with it.
If you ask a fireman, "Why didn't you enter the building and save those children?" There is no fireman I have ever known or heard of who would say, "What are you crazy!? The building was on fire!"
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: 240B on July 18, 2022, 01:35:33 am
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on July 18, 2022, 01:44:26 am
376 law enforcement officers and one shooter...nuff said...
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: libertybele on July 18, 2022, 02:00:55 am
376 law enforcement officers and one shooter...nuff said...
Amen!
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Sighlass on July 18, 2022, 06:16:19 am
Thanks for the insight ! Prayers for him.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on July 18, 2022, 01:39:08 pm
Uvalde report finds teachers, staff had ‘culture of noncompliance,’ chose convenience over kids’ safety July 18, 2022 | Terresa Monroe-Hamilton
A scathing 77-page investigative report not only found the Uvalde police at fault during the Robb Elementary School mass shooting, but it also noted that school administrators “did not adequately prepare” for a potential shooter.
The report was released on Sunday by the Texas House of Representatives Investigative Committee. Investigators charged that school administrators adopted a “regrettable culture of noncompliance” with safety and security measures leading up to the shooting, placing partial blame at their feet. This noncompliance “turned out to be fatal,” it asserted.
Administrators “tacitly condoned” unsafe practices, according to the report, because they knowingly violated or allowed others to violate rules that required doors to be closed and locked at the school.
“The west door to the west building was supposed to be continuously locked. When the attacker approached on May 24, 2022, it was unlocked, and he was able to enter the building there,” the report stated.
“While the school had adopted security policies to lock exterior doors and internal classroom doors, there was a regrettable culture of noncompliance by school personnel who frequently propped doors open and deliberately circumvented locks,” the report contended. “At a minimum, school administrators and school district police tacitly condoned this behavior as they were aware of these unsafe practices and did not treat them as serious infractions requiring immediate correction.”
more https://www.bizpacreview.com/2022/07/18/uvalde-report-finds-teachers-staff-had-culture-of-noncompliance-chose-convenience-over-kids-safety-1262885/
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Cyber Liberty on July 18, 2022, 02:30:44 pm
Uvalde report finds teachers, staff had ‘culture of noncompliance,’ chose convenience over kids’ safety July 18, 2022 | Terresa Monroe-Hamilton
Sadly they and so many others will not be able to learn from it. Too many people have the attitude that "It can't happen here." The first year we had an active shooter drill at my school I told the students to grab a fire extinguisher and file quietly into the Photography dark room lock the door and don't come out until either I tell them to or a Police officer slips his badge under the door. I have a rather large piece of cherry dowel rod near my desk. When the drill was over one of the young ladies asked why I had the fire Extinguisher. I told her I intended to spray it in the face of the first SOB that came through the door, club him over the head with it, take his gun put two in his chest and wait to see if anyone else wanted to try their luck. She asked if I thought of that when they called the drill, I told her no I had thought it up the first week I was employed by the district. Sheep, we are raising a nation of SHEEP!
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Cyber Liberty on July 18, 2022, 03:09:04 pm
Sadly they and so many others will not be able to learn from it. Too many people have the attitude that "It can't happen here." The first year we had an active shooter drill at my school I told the students to grab a fire extinguisher and file quietly into the Photography dark room lock the door and don't come out until either I tell them to or a Police officer slips his badge under the door. I have a rather large piece of cherry dowel rod near my desk. When the drill was over one of the young ladies asked why I had the fire Extinguisher. I told her I intended to spray it in the face of the first SOB that came through the door, club him over the head with it, take his gun put two in his chest and wait to see if anyone else wanted to try their luck. She asked if I thought of that when they called the drill, I told her no I had thought it up the first week I was employed by the district. Sheep, we are raising a nation of SHEEP!
It beats going to the bathrooms and standing on the toilets....
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Kamaji on July 18, 2022, 03:54:06 pm
I'll bet the school administration was Johnny-on-the-spot when the mask and vax mandates came out....
:thumbsup:
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on July 18, 2022, 10:27:03 pm
Uvalde report finds teachers, staff had ‘culture of noncompliance,’ chose convenience over kids’ safet “While the school had adopted security policies to lock exterior doors and internal classroom doors, there was a regrettable culture of noncompliance by school personnel who frequently propped doors open and deliberately circumvented locks,” the report contended. “At a minimum, school administrators and school district police tacitly condoned this behavior as they were aware of these unsafe practices and did not treat them as serious infractions requiring immediate correction.”
isn't this the same reason we have gun laws that don't work as they are ignored, and immigration laws that don't work because they are ignored?
We do not need new laws, we need to enforce the ones already on the books.
And fire any S.O.B that chooses to ignore enforcing them.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Bigun on July 18, 2022, 10:34:12 pm
isn't this the same reason we have gun laws that don't work as they are ignored, and immigration laws that don't work because they are ignored?
We do not need new laws, we need to enforce the ones already the books.
And fire any S.O.B that chooses to ignore enforcing them.
:yowsa: Precisely correct!
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on July 18, 2022, 10:36:18 pm
BTW, has anyone yet definitely established that the gunman was an American citizen and not illegally here?
I recall early on confusion on his birthplace being North Dakota or Uvalde, and no birth certificate being found.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on July 20, 2022, 05:08:27 pm
Uvalde School District Moves to Fire Police Chief After Mass Shooting
Bob Price 20 Jul 2022
Uvalde Consolidated Independent School District officials published an agenda for a special school board meeting to consider firing the district’s embattled police chief. The move comes days after a report from the Texas House detailing failures at many levels in advance and in response to the shooting at Robb Elementary School in May.
Uvalde school district officials published an agenda for a special school board meeting on July 23. The agenda calls for an executive session and public meeting for: “Discussion and possible action regarding termination for good cause as recommended by the Superintendent of the non-certified contract of Pete Arredondo.”
The agenda also calls for a closed session. The agenda states:
A closed session will be held under Provisions of Texas Government Code, Chapter 551, Sections 551.071 and 551.074.
A. Pursuant to Section 551.071 and 551.074 of the Texas Government Code, consultation with the District’s attorney concerning legal and procedural issues related to recommended termination for good cause of the non-certified contract of Pete Arredondo.
B. Pursuant to Section 551.074 of the Texas Government Code, conduct hearing for good cause as recommended by the Superintendent of the non-certified contract of Pete Arredondo.
more https://www.breitbart.com/border/2022/07/20/uvalde-school-district-moves-to-fire-police-chief-after-mass-shooting/
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Kamaji on July 20, 2022, 05:23:56 pm
Uvalde School District Moves to Fire Police Chief After Mass Shooting
Bob Price 20 Jul 2022
Uvalde Consolidated Independent School District officials published an agenda for a special school board meeting to consider firing the district’s embattled police chief. The move comes days after a report from the Texas House detailing failures at many levels in advance and in response to the shooting at Robb Elementary School in May.
Uvalde school district officials published an agenda for a special school board meeting on July 23. The agenda calls for an executive session and public meeting for: “Discussion and possible action regarding termination for good cause as recommended by the Superintendent of the non-certified contract of Pete Arredondo.”
The agenda also calls for a closed session. The agenda states:
A closed session will be held under Provisions of Texas Government Code, Chapter 551, Sections 551.071 and 551.074.
A. Pursuant to Section 551.071 and 551.074 of the Texas Government Code, consultation with the District’s attorney concerning legal and procedural issues related to recommended termination for good cause of the non-certified contract of Pete Arredondo.
B. Pursuant to Section 551.074 of the Texas Government Code, conduct hearing for good cause as recommended by the Superintendent of the non-certified contract of Pete Arredondo.
more https://www.breitbart.com/border/2022/07/20/uvalde-school-district-moves-to-fire-police-chief-after-mass-shooting/
Will they strip him of his benefits and retirement as well? Or is this just being pushed out of the plane with a golden parachute already attached?
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: 240B on July 20, 2022, 05:30:26 pm
The first of many getting the boot, based on the videos and all the evidence. But, if this plays out as usual, they will fire the Chief and then declare "case closed".
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Bigun on July 20, 2022, 05:51:58 pm
The first of many getting the boot, based on the videos and all the evidence. But, if this plays out as usual, they will fire the Chief and then declare "case closed".
They should ALL get the boot, but I think you are dead right! This will be the end of it.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on July 20, 2022, 08:29:55 pm
July 20, 2022 3:35pm EDT Uvalde bodycam video shows police holding back officer whose wife was in room with gunman The officer was previously criticized for appearing to check his phone during the shooting By Bradford Betz | Fox News
A portion of the bodycam video footage of police responding to the Uvalde mass shooting shows officers holding back another officer whose wife was reportedly in the room with the gunman.
The footage, which is making the rounds online, shows law enforcement officers outside a closed classroom with guns drawn. An officer, Ruben Ruiz, makes his way up front, and his fellow officers appear to hold him back.
"She said she’s shot, Tony," Ruiz tells one of the officers before he’s led away from the hallway.
Ruiz’s wife, Eva Mireles, was a teacher still inside the classroom with the gunman. She was ultimately one of two adults killed, along with 19 children that day.
Video footage published earlier this month by the Austin American-Statesman showed Ruiz appearing to check his phone while the shooter was just down the hall. The clip ignited a wave of criticism on media outlets, social media, and by some lawmakers.
"This really makes my blood boil," former speaker of the Colorado House of Representatives Terrance Carroll tweeted. "This officer is checking his phone while kids & teachers are literally dying a few doors down."
It was later revealed that Ruiz was trying to connect with his wife, who died in an ambulance on the way to the hospital.
more https://www.foxnews.com/us/uvalde-bodycam-video-shows-police-holding-back-officer
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on July 20, 2022, 08:41:22 pm
Uvalde shooter’s mom confronted by victim’s family: ‘My son was a coward… I’m sorry – no right to judge!’ July 20, 2022 | Terresa Monroe-Hamilton
The mother of the Uvalde mass shooter ran into the family of one of her son’s victims and a tense and heartbreaking scene ensued, complete with a heated shouting match that was caught on camera.
“I know my son was a coward. You don’t think I don’t know that? I know. You don’t think I’m carrying all that with me? You don’t think I don’t know? I know. And I’m sorry,” Adriana Martinez, the mother of the killer Salvador Ramos, yelled in a video released Tuesday by Telemundo.
Telemundo caught the family of 10-year-old victim Amerie Jo Garza confronting Martinez as she walked to her car in Uvalde.
The family demanded to know why her son killed 19 children and two teachers that awful day and seemed to blame the mother, “Because he was pissed off at you? Because you destroyed him? Because that’s what he was saying.”
“What reason did he have? What reason did he have to kill 21?” another family member yelled. They also wanted to know why the mother of the killer didn’t pick up on earlier warning signs and call the police on her son.
“I’m sorry,” Martinez told them as she wept.
She also yelled at one point that the family of the victim has “no right to judge my son” and added, “May God forgive y’all.”
Martinez’s apology did not satisfy the girl’s family. “She’s not innocent,” Dana Mendiola, Amerie Jo’s grandmother, told Telemundo.
Police officers eventually arrived and Martinez got into a police car.
The mother previously told CNN that her son “had his reasons for doing what he did” and begged for forgiveness from the families of his victims.
“Forgive me, forgive my son. I know he had his reasons,” she said in the interview, which was translated from Spanish by CNN.
more https://www.bizpacreview.com/2022/07/20/uvalde-shooters-mom-confronted-by-victims-family-my-son-was-a-coward-im-sorry-no-right-to-judge-1263962/
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on July 20, 2022, 11:09:23 pm
Do not accept apology.
Being sorry does not make up for the horrendous job she did in parenting.
She is the first line of defense in our society in combatting lunatics from hurting others.
She was with him all the time and was aware of his problems.
When she fails, society fails and we end up with dead kids who never had a chance in life to grow up.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: sneakypete on July 20, 2022, 11:33:31 pm
That SEEMS to be the case based on what we know about her,but the sad,sad truth is that some children are just "born to be wrong" due to some sort of chemical mixup in their system.
No,this does NOT "excuse" their actions and give them a free ride,but it is an ugly truth we need to sometimes recognize. Usually by the time these kids turn 10 or so,their parents have already given up on ever being able to control them.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on July 20, 2022, 11:44:35 pm
The first of many getting the boot, based on the videos and all the evidence. But, if this plays out as usual, they will fire the Chief and then declare "case closed".
firing him is insufficient. He was criminally negligent in his actions.
At the very least, he should lose his pension as well. I would also say he should never be permitted to have a state job ever. Even as a janitor.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: sneakypete on July 21, 2022, 12:05:12 am
You would think losing your pension would go hand and hand with being fired. If it doesn't,it should because you don't get fired without "cause",so you didn't EARN the pension.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on July 24, 2022, 04:45:06 pm
Now even Algore is piling on and turned his climate crusade into a referendum on Uvalde PD
Al Gore Equates ‘Climate Deniers’ with Uvalde Law Enforcement Officers Former Vice President Al Gore has equated those deemed guilty of climate “inaction” to the response of police officers in the Uvalde, Texas, school shooting tragedy.
A clip released to social media late Saturday night contains the allegation, due to be aired Sunday during a segment on NBC’s Meet the Press. https://twitter.com/MeetThePress/status/1550896080581165057?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1550896080581165057%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.breitbart.com%2Fpolitics%2F2022%2F07%2F24%2Fal-gore-equates-climate-deniers-with-uvalde-law-enforcement-officers%2F
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: sneakypete on July 24, 2022, 05:03:33 pm
Now even Algore is piling on and turned his climate crusade into a referendum on Uvalde PD
Al Gore Equates ‘Climate Deniers’ with Uvalde Law Enforcement Officers Former Vice President Al Gore has equated those deemed guilty of climate “inaction” to the response of police officers in the Uvalde, Texas, school shooting tragedy.
A clip released to social media late Saturday night contains the allegation, due to be aired Sunday during a segment on NBC’s Meet the Press. https://twitter.com/MeetThePress/status/1550896080581165057?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1550896080581165057%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.breitbart.com%2Fpolitics%2F2022%2F07%2F24%2Fal-gore-equates-climate-deniers-with-uvalde-law-enforcement-officers%2F
The stupid is strong with that one...he should be lit up for that comparison and rightfully so.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on July 26, 2022, 01:19:53 pm
Robb Elementary School principal suspended by Uvalde school district, attorney says by Victor I. Nava, Overnight News Editor | | July 26, 2022 06:16 AM
The principal of Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, has been suspended in the wake of a damning report on the May 24 shooting at the school that killed 19 students and two teachers.
An attorney for Principal Mandy Gutierrez told the Washington Examiner on Tuesday that Gutierrez has been placed on paid administrative leave by Uvalde Superintendent Hal Harrell. The attorney did not provide a reason for Gutierrez's suspension, which comes on the heels of a Texas House committee report that noted a “culture of noncompliance” at the school prior to the massacre.
"These parents are still hurting. And they want answers," Daniel Myers, a pastor, told the Uvalde Consolidated Independent School District board during a Monday meeting, according to ABC News.
School board member Luis Fernandez acknowledged that "everybody messed up" in the aftermath and leading up to the shooting.
Gutierrez is at least the second school district employee to be suspended after the shooting.
more https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/uvalde-principal-suspended-school-district
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on July 26, 2022, 01:29:16 pm
Robb Elementary School principal suspended by Uvalde school district, attorney says by Victor I. Nava, Overnight News Editor | | July 26, 2022 06:16 AM
The principal of Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, has been suspended in the wake of a damning report on the May 24 shooting at the school that killed 19 students and two teachers.
An attorney for Principal Mandy Gutierrez told the Washington Examiner on Tuesday that Gutierrez has been placed on paid administrative leave by Uvalde Superintendent Hal Harrell. The attorney did not provide a reason for Gutierrez's suspension, which comes on the heels of a Texas House committee report that noted a “culture of noncompliance” at the school prior to the massacre.
"These parents are still hurting. And they want answers," Daniel Myers, a pastor, told the Uvalde Consolidated Independent School District board during a Monday meeting, according to ABC News.
School board member Luis Fernandez acknowledged that "everybody messed up" in the aftermath and leading up to the shooting.
Gutierrez is at least the second school district employee to be suspended after the shooting.
more https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/uvalde-principal-suspended-school-district
The only way to mitigate these things happening in the future is to go after the individuals responsible for what happened.
We need this same attitude in the widespread absence of following the law in the halls of DC, with people like Mayorkas, Garland and Fauci facing jailtime.
Only then will these problems be abated.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: PeteS in CA on July 26, 2022, 04:39:02 pm
Uvalde shooter exhibited 'almost every warning sign,' expert says
The Texas House of Representatives committee report on the Robb Elementary School shooting revealed the accused school shooter exhibited many warning signs in the years, months and days leading up to the school shooting, but he was still able to legally purchase the assault rifle used in the shooting.
The report illustrated many failures by the school and by law enforcement officers leading up to and on the day of the shooting and caused outcry among families of the 21 people killed in May.
Private individuals were the only people who knew of the many warning signs he displayed, as he had no criminal history prior to the shooting. The alleged shooter's apparent motive was a "desire for notoriety and fame," according to the report. ... "He exhibited almost every warning sign," John Cohen, an ABC News contributor and the former acting undersecretary for intelligence and counterterrorism coordinator at the Department of Homeland Security, said in an interview. "This guy should have been on everybody's radar."
Same stupidity as with the Parkland shooter - known to be dangerous but nothing done.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Kamaji on July 29, 2022, 12:40:58 pm
Uvalde school principal reinstated after placed on leave days earlier
By David Propper July 29, 2022
The principal of Robb Elementary School was reinstated on Thursday just days after she was placed on leave in response to the mass shooting when 19 young students and two teachers were slaughtered.
School leader Mandy Gutierrez was allowed to return to work Thursday, according to a brief letter from Uvalde School Superintendent Hal Harrell. The quick reversal comes after Gutierrez contested findings in a Texas legislative committee report that criticized school security.
“Thank you for responding to our request for information by submitting your response to the House Investigative Report. As a result of our review, you will be allowed to return to work on this date (July 28, 2022),” Harrell wrote in the letter that was obtained by Fox News Digital.
Her attorney also told Fox News she was back at her job.
“She has been fully reinstated to her position, where she will continue to discharge her duties and continue to serve all the families of the UCISD,” said lawyer Ricardo Cedillo.
Uvalde school principal reinstated after placed on leave days earlier
By David Propper July 29, 2022
The principal of Robb Elementary School was reinstated on Thursday just days after she was placed on leave in response to the mass shooting when 19 young students and two teachers were slaughtered.
School leader Mandy Gutierrez was allowed to return to work Thursday, according to a brief letter from Uvalde School Superintendent Hal Harrell. The quick reversal comes after Gutierrez contested findings in a Texas legislative committee report that criticized school security.
“Thank you for responding to our request for information by submitting your response to the House Investigative Report. As a result of our review, you will be allowed to return to work on this date (July 28, 2022),” Harrell wrote in the letter that was obtained by Fox News Digital.
Her attorney also told Fox News she was back at her job.
“She has been fully reinstated to her position, where she will continue to discharge her duties and continue to serve all the families of the UCISD,” said lawyer Ricardo Cedillo.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mountaineer on July 29, 2022, 04:00:07 pm
Sadly, there's also been some true nuttery going on in Florida public schools. We expect better of TX and FL, but here we are. :shrug:
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Kamaji on July 29, 2022, 04:01:16 pm
Probably has to do with union rules. Another reason why union power over schools needs to be reduced.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Cyber Liberty on July 29, 2022, 04:05:07 pm
Probably has to do with union rules. Another reason why union power over schools needs to be reduced.
Hmmmm. I dunno, I always thought Principals were considered "Management" and not union members. On the other hand, that doesn't stop the unions from advocating on a non-member Principal's behalf....
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: sneakypete on July 29, 2022, 04:55:18 pm
Hmmmm. I dunno, I always thought Principals were considered "Management" and not union members. On the other hand, that doesn't stop the unions from advocating on a non-member Principal's behalf....
There is the American Federation of School Administrators, which represents public school principals, vice principals, administrators, and supervisors and is associated with the AFL-CIO.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Cyber Liberty on July 29, 2022, 07:24:26 pm
Whatever happened to the concept of "blame the guilty party"?
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Cyber Liberty on July 29, 2022, 10:34:09 pm
Whatever happened to Principals taking responsibility for the actions of their employees' actions?
Facts are, that the "Prepared" school staff are the aberration. This could have begun at any school. (Speaking about the unlocked doors for convenience, etc..)
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: roamer_1 on July 30, 2022, 12:08:16 am
Facts are, that the "Prepared" school staff are the aberration. This could have begun at any school. (Speaking about the unlocked doors for convenience, etc..)
That's true... And nearly always going to happen. Sec minded folks are rigid. Life does not conform to rigidity. Most human hacks are centered in the apathy of the mundane.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Cyber Liberty on July 30, 2022, 02:05:14 am
Facts are, that the "Prepared" school staff are the aberration. This could have begun at any school. (Speaking about the unlocked doors for convenience, etc..)
That's true... And nearly always going to happen. Sec minded folks are rigid. Life does not conform to rigidity. Most human hacks are centered in the apathy of the mundane.
:pondering:
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: roamer_1 on July 30, 2022, 03:39:22 am
July 30, 2022 6:32am EDT Uvalde, Texas: Final victim of mass shooting discharged from San Antonio hospital A San Antonio hospital released the last of its patients who were injured in the mass shooting in Uvalde, Texas that left 19 students and two teachers dead in May By Lawrence Richard | Fox News
She is a Principal,not a Master Sergeant. The security in the school would have been fine IF the individuals responsible for the lapses had just obeyed the rules already established.
Also,how do you even know the broken lock had been reported to her? After all,her job is to ensure the children get an adequate education,or what passes as an adequate education these days,not a maintenance manager. The school has someone else hired to do that job.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Kamaji on July 30, 2022, 04:36:55 pm
She is a Principal,not a Master Sergeant. The security in the school would have been fine IF the individuals responsible for the lapses had just obeyed the rules already established.
Also,how do you even know the broken lock had been reported to her? After all,her job is to ensure the children get an adequate education,or what passes as an adequate education these days,not a maintenance manager. The school has someone else hired to do that job.
She's responsible for making sure that all teachers and staff are following mandatory security requirements, and she failed to do so. She bears responsibility for that.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Cyber Liberty on July 30, 2022, 04:40:34 pm
She's responsible for making sure that all teachers and staff are following mandatory security requirements, and she failed to do so. She bears responsibility for that.
Not anymore she doesn't. Scot-free. Must have some good Democrat friends.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Bigun on July 30, 2022, 05:01:12 pm
She is a Principal,not a Master Sergeant. The security in the school would have been fine IF the individuals responsible for the lapses had just obeyed the rules already established.
Also,how do you even know the broken lock had been reported to her? After all,her job is to ensure the children get an adequate education,or what passes as an adequate education these days,not a maintenance manager. The school has someone else hired to do that job.
I can't speak for al districts, but in the ones I worked at the Principal is the one that puts in all repair/ work orders. Further if she is not checking to make sure proper procedures are being followed, then she is negligent.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: sneakypete on July 30, 2022, 05:46:25 pm
I can't speak for al districts, but in the ones I worked at the Principal is the one that puts in all repair/ work orders. Further if she is not checking to make sure proper procedures are being followed, then she is negligent.
Granted that I am a geezer,but I never went to any public school in my life that didn't have full-time maintenance men hired to let the Principle (their boss) know what needed to be done,and either did the repairs themselves,or supervised/observed them being done.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Cyber Liberty on July 30, 2022, 05:56:04 pm
Granted that I am a geezer,but I never went to any public school in my life that didn't have full-time maintenance men hired to let the Principle (their boss) know what needed to be done,and either did the repairs themselves,or supervised/observed them being done.
I guess that would depend on the local policies. :shrug:
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Bigun on July 30, 2022, 06:48:03 pm
In most of Texas, school principals are like warden at our prison units in that EVERYTHING on their unit is their responsibility.
I won't speak for other counties, but that is the way it is in my county here in VA
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Elderberry on August 24, 2022, 11:46:27 am
Uvalde families to file $27 billion civil lawsuit against police, gunmaker over school shooting
The families of the victims and survivors of the Robb Elementary School massacre in Uvalde, Texas, are preparing to file a massive lawsuit against the local and state police, the shop that sold gunman Salvador Ramos his weapon and the manufacturer who made the gun.
Attorney Charles Bonner announced Sunday that he is filing a $27 billion civil rights lawsuit against the Uvalde Consolidated Independent School District Police Department, school police chief Pete Arredondo, sheriff’s offices, the Texas Rangers, the Texas Department of Public Safety, Border Patrol, the Uvalde Independent School District school board, the Uvalde City Council and the City of Uvalde.
Also listed in the lawsuit are gun manufacturer Daniel Defense and Oasis Outback, where Ramos bought the gun.
More at link.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: sneakypete on August 24, 2022, 02:01:46 pm
The families of the victims and survivors of the Robb Elementary School massacre in Uvalde, Texas, are preparing to file a massive lawsuit against the local and state police, the shop that sold gunman Salvador Ramos his weapon and the manufacturer who made the gun.
Attorney Charles Bonner announced Sunday that he is filing a $27 billion civil rights lawsuit against the Uvalde Consolidated Independent School District Police Department, school police chief Pete Arredondo, sheriff’s offices, the Texas Rangers, the Texas Department of Public Safety, Border Patrol, the Uvalde Independent School District school board, the Uvalde City Council and the City of Uvalde.
Also listed in the lawsuit are gun manufacturer Daniel Defense and Oasis Outback, where Ramos bought the gun.
From the link:"“Everyone in this world are hurting and bleeding about what is happening here in Uvalde. And it’s up to us to make sure it doesn’t happen again.”
Does this mean these great humanitarian lawyers are NOT going to keep any of the money for themselves,and donate it to humane causes instead?
Inquiring minds,and all dat.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Idiot on August 24, 2022, 05:51:33 pm
As much as my heart breaks for the parents of those slaughtered children, there is not enough money in the world to bring those precious kids back. The kid pulling the trigger is to blame. It won't make the parents feel any better, but this guy needed to die.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on August 24, 2022, 05:58:52 pm
More
August 24, 2022 12:39pm EDT Uvalde police chief faces possible firing 3 months after mass shooting as families prep whopping $27B lawsuit Families impacted by Robb Elementary School shooting indicate intent to file $27 billion federal class action lawsuit
By Danielle Wallace | Fox News
The suspended and embattled Uvalde, Texas, school district police Chief Pete Arredondo could learn his fate on whether he’ll be fired on Wednesday – three months to the day after the mass shooting at Robb Elementary School and after the victims’ families recently signaled a potential $27 billion lawsuit over the massacre.
The agenda posted online for Wednesday’s special meeting of the Uvalde Independent School District Board of Trustees includes time for a closed-door session, before resuming for public "discussion and possible action regarding termination for good cause as recommended by the Superintendent of the non-certified contract of Pete Arredondo." The meeting is scheduled to begin at 5:30 p.m. CT.
A board meeting to consider Arrendondo’s termination was initially scheduled for July 23, but it was delayed at the request of Arrendondo’s attorney, and "in conformity with due process requirements." As allowed by law, he has remained on unpaid administrative leave since June.
Charles Bonner, one of the attorneys representing families impacted by the Uvalde shooting, told Fox News Digital on Wednesday that they have filed notices of claim for a potential $27 billion lawsuit aimed at holding law enforcement agencies, city council members, school district officials and others accountable for the response to the May 24 shooting that left 19 children and two adults dead.
more https://www.foxnews.com/us/uvalde-police-chief-faces-possible-firing-three-months-mass-shooting-families-prep-whopping-lawsuit
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Bigun on August 24, 2022, 06:57:12 pm
As much as my heart breaks for the parents of those slaughtered children, there is not enough money in the world to bring those precious kids back. The kid pulling the trigger is to blame. It won't make the parents feel any better, but this guy needed to die.
That guy never should have gotten in that building much less into a classroom full of kids! If you took up a collection among the first responders there you still wind up one nut short of a full set!
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mountaineer on August 24, 2022, 07:08:32 pm
Does this mean these great humanitarian lawyers are NOT going to keep any of the money for themselves,and donate it to humane causes instead?
Fees of at least 40% the recovery, I suspect.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Hoodat on August 25, 2022, 12:46:21 am
Uvalde schools police chief Pete Arredondo fired over botched response to shooting that killed 19 students and 2 teachers
From the time police entered the building May 24, 1 hour, 14 minutes and 8 seconds passed until the gunman was killed.
Tim Stelloh, Phil Helsel and Alicia Victoria Lozano | Aug. 24, 2022, 8:13 PM EDT
Uvalde schools police chief Pete Arredondo was fired Wednesday by the Texas city’s school board.
The board voted unanimously in favor of the embattled chief's ouster after a recommendation from the school district superintendent.
Arredondo's removal caps off three months of outrage over the botched law enforcement response to a deadly shooting at Robb Elementary School that killed 19 children and two teachers.
One hour, 14 minutes and 8 seconds passed from the time police entered the building May 24 until the gunman was killed, Texas Department of Public Safety Director Steve McCraw has said.
Before Wednesday's vote at a special school board meeting, one speaker who appeared to be a child said: "I have messages for Pete Arredondo and all the law enforcement there that day. Turn in your badge and step down. You don’t deserve to wear one."
Arredondo did not attend the meeting that was called to address his employment. In a statement, his lawyer said Arredondo has faced death threats and did not believe the meeting was safe.
The lawyer, George Hyde, said it was “beyond any doubt that discharge from public employment under circumstances that put the employee’s reputation, honor or integrity at stake gives rise to a liberty interest” under the Constitution’s equal protection clause.
Hyde said that a person in those circumstances is entitled to a procedural opportunity to clear their name.
Hyde also portrayed Arredondo as a victim of those affected by the massacre. Instead of being able to lash out at the gunman, who was fatally shot by police, they sought “more retribution by identifying a new target to focus their grief on, with the belief that it will help them stop hurting,” he said.
“Unfortunately, it won’t,” Hyde said. “Retribution will not bring anyone back . . .
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on August 25, 2022, 04:34:03 am
Uvalde school board fires police Chief Pete Arredondo after mass shooting CBS News, Aug 24, 2022
The Uvalde school district's embattled police chief was fired Wednesday following allegations that he made several critical mistakes during the mass shooting at Robb Elementary School that left 19 students and two teachers dead.
In a unanimous vote that arrived after months of angry calls for his ouster, the Uvalde Consolidated Independent School District's board of trustees fired Pete Arredondo in an auditorium of parents and survivors of the May 24 massacre. His ouster came three months to the day after one of the deadliest classroom shootings in U.S. history.
Cheers from the crowd followed the vote, and some parents walked out in tears.
"Coward!" parents yelled in a Uvalde auditorium as the meeting got underway.
Arredondo, who has been on leave from the district since June 22, has come under the most intense scrutiny of the nearly 400 officers who rushed to school but waited more than an hour to confront the 18-year-old gunman in a fourth-grade classroom.
Arredondo was not in attendance with his career on the line.
Uvalde school board fires police Chief Pete Arredondo after mass shooting CBS News, Aug 24, 2022
The Uvalde school district's embattled police chief was fired Wednesday following allegations that he made several critical mistakes during the mass shooting at Robb Elementary School that left 19 students and two teachers dead.
In a unanimous vote that arrived after months of angry calls for his ouster, the Uvalde Consolidated Independent School District's board of trustees fired Pete Arredondo in an auditorium of parents and survivors of the May 24 massacre. His ouster came three months to the day after one of the deadliest classroom shootings in U.S. history.
Cheers from the crowd followed the vote, and some parents walked out in tears.
"Coward!" parents yelled in a Uvalde auditorium as the meeting got underway.
Arredondo, who has been on leave from the district since June 22, has come under the most intense scrutiny of the nearly 400 officers who rushed to school but waited more than an hour to confront the 18-year-old gunman in a fourth-grade classroom.
Arredondo was not in attendance with his career on the line.
Took three months to do what should have been done on day one! I'm NOT impressed!
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on August 25, 2022, 01:23:33 pm
No argument from me @Right_in_Virginia and he's not the only one either!
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: mystery-ak on August 25, 2022, 02:15:36 pm
August 25, 2022 9:10am EDT Uvalde funeral homes refused to handle services for Robb Elementary school shooting suspect: report Uvalde, Texas, shooting suspect Salvador Ramos' body was stored out of town for three weeks as family squabbled over his remains
By Danielle Wallace | Fox News
Uvalde, Texas, funeral homes did not want to handle services for accused Robb Elementary School shooter 18-year-old Salvador Ramos, forcing the local coroner to store his body for weeks as the family squabbled over the release of the remains, according to a report.
Uvalde County Justice of the Peace No. 4 Eulalio "Lalo" Diaz Jr., serving as the de facto county coroner, told The Houston Chronicle that funeral homes in Ramos’ hometown were already busy handling services for his total 21 victims killed in the May 24 massacre and did not want to worry about the notoriety brought upon their businesses if they agreed to handle the accused gunman’s remains.
"Once they got to him, the funeral homes in town said, ‘We don’t want to deal with him,’" Diaz Jr. told the newspaper. "I had to store him for three weeks. As the funerals for the victims were going on, I was still dealing with what to do with him. It was a stressful time."
The Bexar County Medical Examiner conducted an autopsy on Ramos on May 27, but Diaz Jr. had to keep the body in storage for three weeks about a two-hour drive away from Uvalde in Lockhart, Texas, as Ramos’ splintered family squabbled over his body. Eventually, an out-of-town funeral home – Castle Ridge in Crystal City, Texas – stepped in to handle funeral arrangements, and Ramos was released to relatives, Diaz Jr. said. Ramos’ death report shows that he was cremated in a nondescript building on South Frio Street on the western edge of downtown San Antonio, according to the Chronicle.
more https://www.foxnews.com/us/uvalde-funeral-homes-refused-handle-services-robb-elementary-school-shooting-suspect-report
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: verga on August 25, 2022, 05:10:21 pm
August 25, 2022 9:10am EDT Uvalde funeral homes refused to handle services for Robb Elementary school shooting suspect: report Uvalde, Texas, shooting suspect Salvador Ramos' body was stored out of town for three weeks as family squabbled over his remains
By Danielle Wallace | Fox News
Uvalde, Texas, funeral homes did not want to handle services for accused Robb Elementary School shooter 18-year-old Salvador Ramos, forcing the local coroner to store his body for weeks as the family squabbled over the release of the remains, according to a report.
Uvalde County Justice of the Peace No. 4 Eulalio "Lalo" Diaz Jr., serving as the de facto county coroner, told The Houston Chronicle that funeral homes in Ramos’ hometown were already busy handling services for his total 21 victims killed in the May 24 massacre and did not want to worry about the notoriety brought upon their businesses if they agreed to handle the accused gunman’s remains.
"Once they got to him, the funeral homes in town said, ‘We don’t want to deal with him,’" Diaz Jr. told the newspaper. "I had to store him for three weeks. As the funerals for the victims were going on, I was still dealing with what to do with him. It was a stressful time."
The Bexar County Medical Examiner conducted an autopsy on Ramos on May 27, but Diaz Jr. had to keep the body in storage for three weeks about a two-hour drive away from Uvalde in Lockhart, Texas, as Ramos’ splintered family squabbled over his body. Eventually, an out-of-town funeral home – Castle Ridge in Crystal City, Texas – stepped in to handle funeral arrangements, and Ramos was released to relatives, Diaz Jr. said. Ramos’ death report shows that he was cremated in a nondescript building on South Frio Street on the western edge of downtown San Antonio, according to the Chronicle.
more https://www.foxnews.com/us/uvalde-funeral-homes-refused-handle-services-robb-elementary-school-shooting-suspect-report
Can anyone explain exactly why he is due a funeral?. Putting him Potters filed in an unmarked grave.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says
Post by: Smokin Joe on September 11, 2022, 12:39:26 pm
Can anyone explain exactly why he is due a funeral?. Putting him Potters filed in an unmarked grave.
Funerals are for the family, and no matter how screwed up he was and likely his family are, they deserve to have their closure, too. Hard to imagine a member of my family doing something like that, and I'd be conflicted about how to handle it if they did (likely the family squabbling going on was over that). But, despite their not paying attention, ultimately, they themselves did not do the deed, and likely would have stopped him if they had known.