BREAKING: Active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says

[IsailedawayfromFR]

Personally, I don't think that a bunch of untrained, unequipped cops getting shot & killed would have done much to save those kids.

But at least then we would have had a bunch of dead cops to cry over along with the dead children, and I suppose that would have made some people in this country happy.

BS.

An untrained cop is not a cop.

We heard a report of a mother who went in and saved her own two kids.  She was neither trained or armed.

[Right_in_Virginia]

@Right_in_Virginia

If each and every police officer received boot camp training like Marines, your first question would be valid.

But most cops in that county can go their entire career without pulling their weapon. Their first instinct? Survive.

The first instinct is to save children ..... they made the conscious choice to put their safety first @DCPatriot --- except in the instances when a cop went in to save his own kid.

I want to defend the cops, and I cannot. These cops standing around waiting for 60 minutes not only broke their oath, they broke with humanity.

[Ghost Bear]

BS.

An untrained cop is not a cop.

We heard a report of a mother who went in and saved her own two kids.  She was neither trained or armed.

BS yourself.  The news reports are all over the place, and probably being deliberately skewed by the press to make the cops look bad.

Did that mother "go in" and save her own kids, or did she meet them coming out of a door or window and escort them away?  Until we get better reporting, we have no way of knowing.

Running at an active shooter generally ends up with dead heroes, unless those running at the shooter have body armor and tactical training.  An despite what you think, ordinary cops in a small town do not have that kind of training, or that kind of body armor.

[Hoodat]

Personally, I don't think that a bunch of untrained, unequipped cops getting shot & killed would have done much to save those kids.

Unequipped?  You can argue that they did not have SWAT or anti-terrorism training.  But they were certainly equipped.

[Ghost Bear]

Unequipped?  You can argue that they did not have SWAT or anti-terrorism training.  But they were certainly equipped.

Do you know they were equipped with body armor?  I don't know that. Lots of small town cops (and Uvalde is a small town) don't have body armor.

[Smokin Joe]

Try "Mythoginist?"

Well played!

[Hoodat]

Did that mother "go in" and save her own kids, or did she meet them coming out of a door or window and escort them away?  Until we get better reporting, we have no way of knowing.

According to the Wall Street Journal, she went in, grabbed her kids, and brought them out.  They reported that the mother was 40 miles away when she heard about the shooting.  That's maybe 25 minutes before she got on the scene.  Once there, she was handcuffed for a period, unhandcuffed, and then made her way away from the crowd, climbed a fence, and got into the school.

My question is what was going on during this time?  Did all the gunshots occur in the beginning, and the police waited outside to silence for 45 min?  Or were gunshots being heard outside while the police waited?  Or maybe all the gunshots happened at the end just before the border agent charged inside.

[Smokin Joe]

https://twitter.com/danielchaitin7/status/1529895165774770205

Shades of Parkland...

[Hoodat]

Do you know they were equipped with body armor?  I don't know that. Lots of small town cops (and Uvalde is a small town) don't have body armor.

Body armor doesn't neutralize a shooter.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

Unequipped?  You can argue that they did not have SWAT or anti-terrorism training.  But they were certainly equipped.

He has been watching too many Rambo movies.

Most every cop in America does not have the equipment or SWAT training he describes, yet they somehow undertake proactive actions anyway and very, very rarely get killed.

And the times to turn the juices up is when you are saving children from death.

[Ghost Bear]

Body armor doesn't neutralize a shooter.

Dead cops don't neutralize a shooter either.

Body armor might keep the cop alive long enough to reach the shooter and neutralize him.

[Smokin Joe]

According to the Wall Street Journal, she went in, grabbed her kids, and brought them out.  They reported that the mother was 40 miles away when she heard about the shooting.  That's maybe 25 minutes before she got on the scene.  Once there, she was handcuffed for a period, unhandcuffed, and then made her way away from the crowd, climbed a fence, and got into the school.

My question is what was going on during this time?  Did all the gunshots occur in the beginning, and the police waited outside to silence for 45 min?  Or were gunshots being heard outside while the police waited?  Or maybe all the gunshots happened at the end just before the border agent charged inside.

From an EMS standpoint, the "golden hour" for trauma patients was pretty much used up before anyone went in. Depending on where the kids were wounded, that may or may not have made a difference.

[Ghost Bear]

According to the Wall Street Journal, she went in, grabbed her kids, and brought them out.  They reported that the mother was 40 miles away when she heard about the shooting.  That's maybe 25 minutes before she got on the scene.  Once there, she was handcuffed for a period, unhandcuffed, and then made her way away from the crowd, climbed a fence, and got into the school.

My question is what was going on during this time?  Did all the gunshots occur in the beginning, and the police waited outside to silence for 45 min?  Or were gunshots being heard outside while the police waited?  Or maybe all the gunshots happened at the end just before the border agent charged inside.

At this point I trust very little that the media is telling us about this event.

[Smokin Joe]

Do you know they were equipped with body armor?  I don't know that. Lots of small town cops (and Uvalde is a small town) don't have body armor.

I have seen ads (even 2 for one sales) where IIIa body armor is offered for about $500, with steel trauma plates. but it takes another shooter to stop a shooter.

[Smokin Joe]

At this point I trust very little that the media is telling us about this event.

It's what the media is NOT telling us that might be most pertinent. Seems like they have to protect all the protected bits to push the anti-gun narrative.

[mystery-ak]

I think it very odd that there were no updates tonight..are they afraid to talk to the media?..I wonder..

There were police with armor standing around...you can hear on some of the tapes of parents asking the cops to give them to them so they could go and rescue their kids...

tomorrow there will be more news..I hope events better explained than today

This is heartbreaking as it is but to hear that they didn't go in for an hour and a Border Patrol Team came and went in and killed this POS is even more so....kids dying on the classroom floors....

[Right_in_Virginia]

Clint Ehrlich
@ClintEhrlich

We don't need a "rethink" of police tactics.

American police have been trained since Columbine to immediately confront active shooters.

What we need are police brave enough to actually do that, instead of standing outside listening to children be massacred.


11:30 PM · May 25, 2022·Twitter for Android

[Hoodat]

Dead cops don't neutralize a shooter either.

Body armor might keep the cop alive long enough to reach the shooter and neutralize him.

If my kid were in there, I would have gone in with a baseball bat.  Hopefully, adrenalin would have kept me alive long enough to save my son.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Dead cops don't neutralize a shooter either.

Body armor might keep the cop alive long enough to reach the shooter and neutralize him.

Did the border patrol agent who went directly into the school, asked an administrator to unlock the classroom door .... and then killed the shooter .... have body armor?

@Ghost Bear

[Smokin Joe]

Did the border patrol agent who went directly into the school, asked an administrator to unlock the classroom door .... and then killed the shooter .... have body armor?

@Ghost Bear

If he was Tactical team, likely he had full battle rattle.

But even cops here in podunk ND have body armor.

[Ghost Bear]

If my kid were in there, I would have gone in with a baseball bat.  Hopefully, adrenalin would have kept me alive long enough to save my son.

I understand the emotion, but I stand by my opinion.

[Right_in_Virginia]

If my kid were in there, I would have gone in with a baseball bat.  Hopefully, adrenalin would have kept me alive long enough to save my son.

This instinct comes from our soul ....

[Ghost Bear]

Did the border patrol agent who went directly into the school, asked an administrator to unlock the classroom door .... and then killed the shooter .... have body armor?

@Ghost Bear

I see someone else already answered your question. But you asked me directly, so I felt I should respond, even if it was only to say "what @Smokin Joe said."

[sneakypete]

As a cop, is your life worth more than those you've sworn to serve and protect, including children?  @DCPatriot

Is a cop standing outside for 60 minutes listening to the slaughter of children --- while their mothers are begging you to help them --- legally depraved indifference?

@Right_in_Virginia

Depends on the circumstances. Can you get within 20 feet or so of him before he sees  you?

Can you get off the first shot and hit what you are shooting at?

At "living room distances" it doesn't matter if you are carrying a 9mm or a freaking bazooka if you are a good shot. All you can kill someone is "dead",and a 9mm through an eye socket will make someone as dead as they will ever be.

Of course,this is assuming the guy/woman with the 9mm has been in a gunfight or two before,and capable as well as confident. Doesn't matter how good a shot you are or what you are armed with if you panic and miss.

[Hoodat]

Authorities took an hour to stop Uvalde gunman, raising questions about law enforcement response

Officials clarified the timeline of the shooting Thursday after giving varying accounts. They refused to answer many questions about the tactics.

JOSHUA FECHTER AND REESE OXNER  |  MAY 26, 2022  |  UPDATED: 2 HOURS AGO

.  .  .  Escalon declined to answer several questions from reporters and to clarify discrepancies in previous statements by agency officials, saying authorities “will circle back.”

He offered new details about the timeline of the law enforcement response Thursday, saying local police officers were the first to arrive at the school — about four minutes after the gunman entered — but had to fall back after taking gunfire. Officers tried to negotiate with the shooter, he said, but the man “did not respond.”

Escalon said most of the gunfire from the shooter occurred when he first entered the school but added that he continued to fire shots — some at police — as officers attempted to make contact.

It took officers an hour to kill the gunman once he was inside as law enforcement officers called "everyone that's in the area" to help, then waited for "specialty equipment" and body armor and organized a tactical team to reenter the school, Escalon said.  .  .

https://www.texastribune.org/2022/05/26/uvalde-school-shooting-police-response/


Timeline info:

11:20 - Police receive 911 call from the grandmother after she was shot in the face two minutes away from the school.

11:28 - Ramos crashes truck in ditch, exits, and fires at two passersby on the street.

11:40 - Ramos enters school.  Most of gunfire occurred at that time.

11:44 - Local police officers enter school.  They took gunfire from shooter.

01:06 - Local police [falsely] report that shooter had been taken into custody.

Does anyone know what time the BORTAC agent shot Ramos?