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BS yourself.  The news reports are all over the place, and probably being deliberately skewed by the press to make the cops look bad.

Did that mother "go in" and save her own kids, or did she meet them coming out of a door or window and escort them away?  Until we get better reporting, we have no way of knowing.

Running at an active shooter generally ends up with dead heroes, unless those running at the shooter have body armor and tactical training.  An despite what you think, ordinary cops in a small town do not have that kind of training, or that kind of body armor.

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Exactly!

Doesn't in anyway excuse them...it's just Realville.



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But even cops here in podunk ND have body armor.

On horseback?
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Angeli Gomez (above)  jumped the school fence and ran
 the school where she rescued her children herself

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10858885/Hero-CBP-cop-rushed-Texas-massacre-school-shotgun-teacher-wife-texted-Help.html

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On horseback?
If need be. They also have an armored vehicle or two.
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The first instinct is to save children ..... they made the conscious choice to put their safety first @DCPatriot --- except in the instances when a cop went in to save his own kid.

I want to defend the cops, and I cannot. These cops standing around waiting for 60 minutes not only broke their oath, they broke with humanity.

Morally, you are 100% right.

The way things are going today it wouldn't surprise me if orders came from Washington, DC to NOT enter the school "...until the proper authorities are on site".
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Morally, you are 100% right.

The way things are going today it wouldn't surprise me if orders came from Washington, DC to NOT enter the school "...until the proper authorities are on site".

Come on @DCPatriot   ... why would WDC give an order to this pollice department?  Wouldn't that have come from Abbott?

I know we're pro-cop.  But, are we really going to defend police operating under the blanket of "protect yourself and your own, then stand down"?

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it's time for @GregAbbott_TX to open an investigation into the police response in Uvalde.

https://wsj.com/articles/uvalde-residents-voice-frustration-over-shooting-response-11653588161?mod=panda_wsj_author_alert


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"Texas DPS official refuses to say why officers didn't breach the door of the classroom for the hour that the Uvalde shooter was in there shooting children."  (Video)


https://mobile.twitter.com/greg_price11/status/1529897371391471625

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Calmly, methodiclly ,,,,,, will post the vid ASAP.

"Tucker Carlson on wanting to know what exactly happened during the tragic school shooting in Uvalde, TX:  "No matter how pro-law enforcement you are—and we are—there is only so much BS you can take in the face of a tragedy like this."  (Video)


https://mobile.twitter.com/TPostMillennial/status/1529999200670318603

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Thanks for the update gang.... Lord knows this has weighed heavy on my heart.... A godless society and we are reaping what we sowed. Broken families, drugs, and a lack of a moral compass starting with a lack of respect for elders.

As far as the police holding back, I bet most those officers were following orders (except when it came to saving their own kids first).
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Morally, you are 100% right.

The way things are going today it wouldn't surprise me if orders came from Washington, DC to NOT enter the school "...until the proper authorities are on site".

@DCPatriot

DC can't order local cops to do diddly-squat. The Texas Governor can order the Texas Highway Patrol and other state agencies to back off,but he can't order the local police to do a damn thing.

Those local cops decided on their own that their own safety was more important than the safety of those children.

Not only should they be fired,they should be banned from ever again being hired as LEO's,and then tarred and feathered and ran out of town naked and barefoot.

I can tolerate the typical coward. After all,they have no choice but to be a coward because it is in their nature to be both scared and to  always put themselves first in importance. And,after all,who would WANT to live life as a coward if they had a choice?

What I can NOT tolerate is cowardly police. They KNEW they were cowards when the pinned the badges on and took the oaths,and did so anyhow. Chances are most became cops because they wanted to legally be able to carry a gun everywhere they went,and they knew the badge and the uniform would guarantee them all the backup they needed anytime they needed it. Most cops WILL go out on a limb to help save a fellow cop,even if they wouldn't to save a "civilian".

The cops in that town are nothing but cowardly punks with badges.
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Come on @DCPatriot   ... why would WDC give an order to this pollice department?  Wouldn't that have come from Abbott?

I know we're pro-cop.  But, are we really going to defend police operating under the blanket of "protect yourself and your own, then stand down"?

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What's this "we" stuff? You pregnant?

Try riding a homebuilt custom Harley around in almost any city,while having long hair and a beard,and then get back with me on how "we" are "pro-cop".

If I had remained in Denver for another year or two,chances are I would have been sniping at the bastards from rooftops. Granted,the Denver PD has a MUCH longer history of corruption and brutality than most,but they damn sure ain't an exception.
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What's this "we" stuff? You pregnant?

Try riding a homebuilt custom Harley around in almost any city,while having long hair and a beard,and then get back with me on how "we" are "pro-cop".

If I had remained in Denver for another year or two,chances are I would have been sniping at the bastards from rooftops. Granted,the Denver PD has a MUCH longer history of corruption and brutality than most,but they damn sure ain't an exception.

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LOL!  @Right_in_Virginia  means that all of here at TBR instinctively give law enforcement the benefit of any doubt before we "tar and feather" anybody.  Nobody here is for defunding police, etc..

But you're right in your last ping to me.  Cowardly police officers in the face of chaos are worthless.
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LOL!  Glenn Beck said this morning that his wife would have gotten in and that no law officer would have been able to stop her.

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LOL!  @Right_in_Virginia  means that all of here at TBR instinctively give law enforcement the benefit of any doubt before we "tar and feather" anybody. 

By definition, "law enforcement" means 'enforcing the law'.  That did not occur in this case.
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Just a question, not judging either way:

The shooter was wearing body armor and was firing a 7.26 bullet from a semi-automatic weapon.
You, OTOH, have just a protective vest, no helmet and a Glock 9mm pistol.
After receiving fire, do you retreat and wait for back-up?

Or, in hindsight, do you find another window/classroom entrance that for a line-of-sight on him?  (With just a pistol and no extra clips)   :shrug:

Just a couple points of fact.

1) He was firing 5.56 rounds not 7.62
2) He wasn't wearing body armor. Yes he had on what we call a "plate carrier". But he had no armor plates in it. He was using it as an ammo carrier.

That being said...

Most LEO's carry an AR in their trunk/cargo area these days as standard kit in addition to their side arm.  Too many times of running up against bad guys who out gunned them made that happen.

If you wait for the perfect time to go in...you'll never go in. To paraphrase Donald Rumsfeld...you go in with the officers you have. Time is of the essence and the longer you wait the more innocent people get killed.

After taking fire, you don't retreat. You continue to push the fight to the perp. Half a dozen cops coming from multiple points of entry...one shooter can't shoot two directions at once.

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As an ex prosecutor from Uvalde, I can say based on my past interactions with Uvalde PD, you will never know the truth about what went down in that school until every inch of video tape is released to the press.
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Did the border patrol agent who went directly into the school, asked an administrator to unlock the classroom door .... and then killed the shooter .... have body armor?

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Heroic officer rushed into Uvalde school with barber’s shotgun to save daughter, wife
An off-duty US Customs and Border Protection agent fearlessly rushed into Robb Elementary School with his barber’s shotgun and rescued dozens of children and his daughter after his wife texted him that there was an active shooter.

Jacob Albarado had just sat down for a haircut when he received the horrifying message from his wife, Trisha, a fourth-grade teacher at the Uvalde, Texas, elementary school, he told the New York Times.

“There’s an active shooter,” she wrote. “Help,” she sent before sending a chilling: “I love you.”

He immediately leaped out of his seat, grabbed the barber’s shotgun and sped off toward the school.
https://nypost.com/2022/05/27/cbp-officer-jacob-albarado-runs-into-uvalde-school-with-barbers-shotgun-to-save-daughter/
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TX DPS: Best Practice Is to Neutralize Shooters, But Officers in Uvalde ‘Could Have Been Shot’ Because They Didn’t Know Where He Was

Ian Hanchett 26 May 2022

On Thursday’s broadcast of CNN’s “Situation Room,” Texas Department of Public Safety Spokesman and Lt. Christopher Olivarez acknowledged that best practices call for police to disable an active shooter as soon as they can, but that officers inside the school in Uvalde didn’t know where the shooter was and “if they proceeded any further not knowing where this suspect was at, they could have been shot, they could have been killed, and, at that point, that gunman would have had an opportunity to kill other people inside that school. So, they were able to contain that gunman inside that classroom so that he was not able to go to any other portions of the school to commit any other killings.”

Olivarez stated, “
  • fficers were in that building within minutes. They maintained their presence inside that school. We had multiple officers that responded on the scene within minutes. Two of those officers were shot. They took cover. Because you have to understand this is an active situation, you have an active shooter that is shooting towards law enforcement, as well as the children, the students, the teachers that are inside that school. But those officers maintained cover. They did not flee from that school. They were inside that school while they were being shot at. So, that’s one thing I need to stress and clarify to the viewers and to everyone else out there, that those officers were on-scene. Also, in addition to that, other officers arrived and they were able to evacuate other children as well and teachers. We have to understand, too, that there [were] multiple, numerous — it was a full school. I mean, they were trying to evacuate as many people as possible. Because in an active shooter situation, your focus is to stop the killing and to preserve life. At that point, they had the suspect contained inside the classroom. If those officers weren’t there, if they did not maintain their presence, there is a good chance that gunman could have made it to other classrooms and [committed] more killings.”


Host Wolf Blitzer then asked if it was “a mistake” for officers “to wait for this second tactical team to arrive before fully pushing into that school and neutralizing the gunman?”

Olivarez answered, “So, what we do know, Wolf, is that there [were] multiple officers that arrived on-scene. There [were] three officers that arrived, they made entry at one of the entrances where the gunman actually made entrance to. We had other — another four officers that had made entry at the other entrance of the school. So, there [were] officers inside that school. As they were taking gunfire, they were also calling in for reinforcement, backup, tactical teams, snipers, any additional personnel that could arrive to assist to not only to — with the situation, but also to assist in evacuating students and teachers. At that time, that’s when a U.S. Border Patrol tactical officer arrived, also with a…sheriff’s deputy, as well as two additional Uvalde Police Department officers were able to go into that classroom with a ballistic shield as cover. And of course, we know that one of those officers, an agent, actually, was shot, was grazed on the top of the head. But they were able to shoot and kill the suspect and preserve any other life. We know that there [were] other injured children inside that classroom that they were able to save as well and get them to cover. And at that point, it became a recovery process, a rescue operation, trying to rescue the injured and also any other potential children or teachers that were inside those classrooms.”

Blitzer then asked, “But don’t current best practices, Lt., call for officers to disable a shooter as quickly as possible, regardless of how many officers are actually on-site?”

Olivarez responded, “Correct. [In an] active shooter situation, you want to stop the killing, you want to preserve life, but also, one thing that — of course, the American people need to understand is that officers are making entry into this building. They do not know where the gunman is. They are hearing gunshots. They are receiving gunshots. At that point, if they proceeded any further not knowing where this suspect was at, they could have been shot, they could have been killed, and, at that point, that gunman would have had an opportunity to kill other people inside that school. So, they were able to contain that gunman inside that classroom so that he was not able to go to any other portions of the school to commit any other killings.”

https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2022/05/26/tx-dps-best-practice-is-to-neutralize-shooters-but-officers-in-uvalde-could-have-been-shot-because-they-didnt-know-where-he-was/
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If you wait for the perfect time to go in...you'll never go in. To paraphrase Donald Rumsfeld...you go in with the officers you have. Time is of the essence and the longer you wait the more innocent people get killed.

After taking fire, you don't retreat. You continue to push the fight to the perp. Half a dozen cops coming from multiple points of entry...one shooter can't shoot two directions at once.

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Governor Abbott had better get on the right side of this disaster, and he'd better do it quickly.

Otherwise, that "incident with Beto" at the press conference may end up helping Mr. O'Rourke more than it does Mr. Abbott.

This could cost the Pubbies the election down there.

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Heroic officer rushed into Uvalde school with barber’s shotgun to save daughter, wife
An off-duty US Customs and Border Protection agent fearlessly rushed into Robb Elementary School with his barber’s shotgun and rescued dozens of children and his daughter after his wife texted him that there was an active shooter.

Jacob Albarado had just sat down for a haircut when he received the horrifying message from his wife, Trisha, a fourth-grade teacher at the Uvalde, Texas, elementary school, he told the New York Times.

“There’s an active shooter,” she wrote. “Help,” she sent before sending a chilling: “I love you.”

He immediately leaped out of his seat, grabbed the barber’s shotgun and sped off toward the school.

These are the same people that the Biden regime slandered by falsely accusing them of whipping immigrants illegally attempting to cross the border.

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Governor Abbott had better get on the right side of this disaster, and he'd better do it quickly.

Otherwise, that "incident with Beto" at the press conference may end up helping Mr. O'Rourke more than it does Mr. Abbott.

This could cost the Pubbies the election down there.

Disagree. Beto wrecked any chances he had against Abbott with that stunt.  It exposed him for what he is. A political grifter willing to stand on the bodies of dead children to try and score political points.

He gave Abbot's campaign a goldmine of video to use in ads against Robert Francis.
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Just my personal opinion about the cops not going in:  If I were one of those cops, I would have gone in, the risk of death notwithstanding, because those were children in there, and my life as an adult is not worth more than the lives of those children.  Simple as that.