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Wasn't the largest casualty school killing event done with dynamite?  Memory is a bit foggy on this....
Bath school disaster, a massacre committed by  a disgruntled school board member.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2022/05/24/bath-consolidated-school-massacre-uvalde/

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SUSPECT INFO

https://www.click2houston.com/news/local/2022/05/24/suspect-info-heres-what-we-know-about-the-18-year-old-shooter-who-officials-say-killed-his-grandmother-14-students-and-1-teacher/


Video shows the crashed truck of Robb Elementary School shooter Salvador Ramos in Uvalde..

“He went straight through a barricade, it’s a concrete ditch and the truck is in there,” said Trinidad.



Trinidad snapped photos of a bag and rifle he believes Ramos dropped next to the truck before running off. He also briefly shared information about Ramos’ personality.

“He was a loner because my nephew worked with him at Burger King and he was kind of like a loner you know,” said Trinidad.

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Pete I think there are more than you believe, my recollection is that after Sandy Hook(odd no that that was just about ten years ago with 21 victims? Anyway it seems to me that after Sandy Hook there were plenty of teachers across the nation that wanted gun training and being able to carry in school. But the liberals refused and I think because they wanted more massacres to push their agenda. Yes I do think liberals are just that disgusting.

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Where I am if I went to my grandson's school to get him the gates are all locked, but anyone could climb over a schoolyard fence, but the office doors are always unlocked so really a determined person could always get into the school where children are before police could arrive.
That, and most school doors are made of glass that can easily be broken through with a sledge hammer. If you're going to bust into a school to commit mass murder, a breaking and entering charge isn't going to faze you.
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Border Patrol agent killed Uvalde shooter, but special unit has recent history of excessive force
 
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May 25, 2022
 
Multiple outlets are reporting that a Border Patrol agent part of a special unit rushed in to Robb Elementary School on Tuesday, May 24, to shoot and kill the 18-year-old shooter that killed 19 children and two teachers. That same special unit has recently been accused of using violent tactics and committing human rights violations.

The Border Patrol agent reportedly entered the school without waiting for backup and shot and killed the gunman, Salvador Ramos, AP reported, and he was injured in the process. U.S. Border Patrol Chief Raul Ortiz confirmed that agents in the area responded to the shooting on Twitter.


That agent belongs to a special tactical unit of the U.S. Border Patrol dubbed BORTAC, according to Houston news station KPRC 2. It's the same unit that was deployed to Portland, Oregon during the 2020 George Floyd Protests by then President Donald Trump, over 2,000 miles north of the Mexico border.

https://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/article/Border-Patrol-agent-shot-Uvlade-school-shooter-17197813.php

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That, and most school doors are made of glass that can easily be broken through with a sledge hammer. If you're going to bust into a school to commit mass murder, a breaking and entering charge isn't going to faze you.

(a) most school shooters don't have that level of planning down, and aren't going to forego carrying weapons for carrying a sledgehammer, and (b) if the school has guards watching the front door, they'll intervene after the first sound of breaking glass, stopping the killer before he can kill in the school.

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So now the narrative is that the shooter shouldn't have been killed?

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So now the narrative is that the shooter shouldn't have been killed?

Absolutely not since he had only murdered 20 people.  This poor "person of color" was gunned down only because of racism.  In Mejico murdering 20 people may be no big deal but it is still, so far, here. 0380000

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https://justthenews.com/government/federal-agencies/border-patrol-agents-first-scene-mass-school-shooting-uvalde-texas

Look how these agents responded to the person of color who had murdered over people.  Terrible! *****rollingeyes***** *****rollingeyes*****

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And thus it begins:  The "He was bullied for being a tranny" defense.
So if he was bullied by some kids at school why didn't he seek out those bullies instead of slaughtering little children? This bullied excuse is all bullshit, he did this because he wanted people to remember him, the only thing he was is mentally ill and pure evil. And every one of us knew the left was going to pull out the it's not his fault he was bullied for being transgendered defense.

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Double Check: Rep. Paul Gosar Falsely Claims Uvalde Shooter Was Trans
 

Published: May 25, 2022 1:11:59 PM

Double Check: Rep. Paul Gosar Falsely Claims Uvalde Shooter Was Trans
In the wake of the horrific school shooting in Uvalde, Texas, a Republican house representative from Arizona, Paul Gosar, amplified the false rumor that the perpetrator was a trans woman and undocumented immigrant.

Quote tweeting a pro-Biden account, Gosar baselessly claimed the shooter was a “leftist” and “your kind of trash.”

While Gosar’s original tweet and the tweet he quoted (which was apparently a source of the misinformation) have since been deleted, there are numerous posts still live on Twitter pushing this false information. The account that Gosar retweeted has since issued a correction, but as of publication, Gosar has not.

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https://www.logically.ai/articles/rep.-paul-gosar-shares-falsely-claims-uvalde-shooter-was-trans

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I posted the following in this forum about 3 years ago.
I'll repeat it:
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Find the cost of freedom
Buried in the ground
Mother Earth will swallow you
Lay your body down


The lyrics are from an old anti-war song by Crosby, Stills & Nash, but let them stand on their own, apart from that.

Almost nothing in this world comes free.
Everything carries "a cost".
Sometimes it's measured in dollars and cents, but more often "the price" of what something "costs" is paid for by other means.

Our Second Amendment is unique in the world, guaranteeing the right of the individual citizen to keep and bear arms. In that respect, amongst all nations, we are "the freest" insofar as gun ownership is concerned.

But... that freedom comes with its own stark "cost":
That cost is:
Every now and then, someone will go crazy and start shooting at others randomly, as we saw in El Paso and Dayton over the past few days.

Little can be done to prevent this. Sometimes, they're discovered before they act on their desires, such as indicated by the grandmother in Lubbock, Texas, who just turned her grandson into the police for planning a shooting spree. But instances like this are rare.

All too often, there's little that is or can be done to successfully profile and pre-empt these shooters before they act. They just explode, in some kind of orgasmic personal apocalypse which usually results in their own demise as well. Afterwards, there's nothing left to do but clean up the damage and try to discover their motivations (although the trend recently seems to be to leave behind a "manifesto" that explains their rationale). But even knowledge of motivation will do little to stop future would-be shooters from acting.

Of course, there are going to be more of these events. Many more, to the point where we should expect a few of these shootings each year. This IS NOT going to change or improve.

What's to be done?
If one is a leftist/democrat-communist, the answer is simple:
Repeal the Second Amendment, and ban and confiscate as many guns as possible.
They may get their wish someday (I sense the nation is on an almost irrevocable march towards socialism and eventually our own brand of American communism), but that's not happening any time soon.

But if one is a traditionalist, how to respond?

My conclusion:
There shouldn't be one, other than a struggle to maintain the status quo.
Whether this approach will be successful or not, hard to predict (see speculation about nation's future above).

Before going further, Fishrrman's credo:
"Reality is what it is. It is not what we believe it to be".
(a struggle I wrestle with each day)

To apply the credo to the problem-at-hand:
There's essentially nothing we can do about these shootings, other than to acknowledge that they are "the cost of the freedom" we enjoy in regards to the Second Amendment. They are "the price we pay" for having our Second Amendment.

I personally accept that "as reality", and just... go on.

When the day comes that we (as traditionalists or conservatives) are no longer willing to accept and bear this price, that becomes the day we LOSE the freedom that the Second Amendment secures for us.

Is that day coming...?
Is it almost here...?

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FIshrrman speaking today, again:
You probably don't like what you read above.
But I'm going to ask, for anyone who will dare answer:
If this be "the cost of freedom and the Second Amendment", do you accept "the price"?

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As the saying goes, some people should keep their mouths shut and be considered ignorant rather than open it and remove all doubt. :nono:

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There are some that are supposed to stop a 9mm. Never wanted to test that theory though. I always wore my plates.
Yeah they will stop a 9mm from going through but what about all the energy transfer from the impact? I don't think I would want that transferred to say my sternum or ribs let alone soft tissue.

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Ok.  So he's just a mental defective.  Nonetheless, he and his predilections were known to his family, his friends, and other locals.

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Lawmaker says Texas school shooter originally from North Dakota

Stacie Van Dyke - Yesterday 10:06 PM


FARGO, N.D. (Valley News Live) - In an interview with CNN, Texas State Senator Roland Gutierrez says the suspected shooter from Tuesday’s mass shooting, 18-year-old Salvador Ramos, was born in North Dakota. He most recently lived and went to high school in Uvalde, where the shooting took place.  .  .

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/lawmaker-says-texas-school-shooter-originally-from-north-dakota/ar-AAXGEXT




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I wonder if poor little guy had to leave North Dakota and go live with grandma because he got into trouble?

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So if he was bullied by some kids at school why didn't he seek out those bullies instead of slaughtering little children? This bullied excuse is all bullshit, he did this because he wanted people to remember him, the only thing he was is mentally ill and pure evil. And every one of us knew the left was going to pull out the it's not his fault he was bullied for being transgendered defense.

I don't disagree with that the least little bit.

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Texas school shooting: New details emerge about police response, Salvador Ramos' 'evil' nature

May 25, 2022 9:48am EDT
Texas school shooting: New details emerge about police response, Salvador Ramos' 'evil' nature
Salvador Ramos repeatedly fired at police responding to Uvalde shooting, officer says

By Greg Norman | Fox News

Multiple police officers who responded to the Robb Elementary School shooting in Uvalde, Texas, were struck with gunfire by a suspect who "just began shooting anyone that was in his way," a law enforcement officer revealed Wednesday.

Texas Department of Public Safety Lt. Chris Olivarez, speaking on NBC’s "Today" show, said the events that led to the deaths of 19 students and two teachers began when Salvador Ramos shot his grandmother and then crashed a vehicle while fleeing that scene. Local police then got calls about an individual armed with a weapon making his way into the school, according to Olivarez.

He said when law enforcement "tried to make entry into the building, they were met with gunfire by the suspect, by the shooter. 

"Some of those officers were shot," Olivarez continued. "So at that point they began breaking windows around the school trying to evacuate children, teachers, anybody they could, trying to get them out of that building."

Olivarez said Ramos then was "able to make entry into a classroom, barricaded himself inside that classroom and again just began shooting numerous children and teachers that were in that classroom, having no regard for human life, just a complete, evil person by not having any regard for children. 

"Anyone inside that classroom, [he] just began shooting anyone that was in his way," he added. 

"At that point we had a tactical law enforcement team arrive made up of multiple federal officers, local officers as well as state troopers that were able to make forceable entry into that classroom," Olivarez also said. "They were met with gunfire as well, but they were able to shoot and kill that suspect."

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NEW: Texas DPS tells me there was in fact a school police officer on campus at Robb Elementary who exchanged gunfire with the shooter and the officer was shot & injured. That is when the shooter ran inside the school, barricaded himself in a class, & began killing. @FoxNews
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(THIS IS WHAT THE POOR PERSON OF COLOR WAS KILLED OVER?)  Shame on the US.
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Pictured: First child victims of Texas school shooting after 21 killed
 
James Hockaday
Wednesday 25 May 2022 7:55 am
 
Child victims of the Texas school shooting in Uvalde.
Nineteen children and two teachers were shot dead by teen gunman Salvador Ramos (Picture: AP)
These are the first child victims to be identified after a teen gunman rampaged through an elementary school yesterday in Uvalde, Texas.

Fourth grade student Xavier Lopez, 10, was killed as 18-year-old Salvador Ramos opened fire with an AR-15 assault rifle while clad in body armour.

The boy’s mother had attended his awards ceremony just hours earlier, completely unaware it would be the last time she saw her child.

A GoFundMe page to raise money for his funeral has already raised nearly $43,000 in the space of four hours.

https://metro.co.uk/2022/05/25/first-child-victims-of-elementary-school-shooting-in-uvalde-texas-16704595/

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I don't disagree with that the least little bit.

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And every time we have one of these and all the media hype it breeds more unhappy and sick individuals that see a way to get all the attention they believe they deserve. Will the next again be a group of disgruntled that put real planning into their massacre and again add bombs to the mix? And again like clockwork the communists will blame the made up culture of guns in America instead of the very real culture of mental illness promoted by the left.

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Yeah they will stop a 9mm from going through but what about all the energy transfer from the impact? I don't think I would want that transferred to say my sternum or ribs let alone soft tissue.

Yeah it's still gonna hurt at a level that makes you think the bullet penetrated your body that's for sure.
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NEW: Texas DPS tells me there was in fact a school police officer on campus at Robb Elementary who exchanged gunfire with the shooter and the officer was shot & injured. That is when the shooter ran inside the school, barricaded himself in a class, & began killing. @FoxNews


Ok, but why was he able to gain entrance to the building at all in the first place?

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Beto O'Rourke just interrupted the presser and was escorted out....I'll have more when I find it
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