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Legal Ressurection by Andrew Branca November 1, 2021
Live coverage of the entire trial at Legal Insurrection.
UPDATE: Between when I started writing this post and when it was published, media reports are that individual voir dire completed today off-camera, and opening statements will happen tomorrow morning!
Highlights of today’s voir dire include:
• The defense voir dire suggesting that Kyle Rittenhouse might testify at trial
• Judge Schroeder contextualizing juror security concerns by noting that even judges hardly ever get assassinated
• A juror excused because Second Amendment beliefs would not allow impartiality
• A juror excused because hatred of AR rifles would not allow impartiality
• A juror excused because she understood “Thou shalt not kill” to be literal
• Judge Schroeder instructing jurors on “semi-automatic” versus “machine gun”
• And much, much more! So let’s dive right in!
Rittenhouse Jury Selection Process
Trial Judge Bruce Schroeder has decided that he wants to end up with a seated jury of 20, to include 12 jurors who will deliberate a verdict, and 8 alternates. Which specific jurors are alternates will not be determined until just before deliberations.
Judge Schroeder has also allowed each side to have 7 peremptory strikes, for a total of 14 strikes.
So, the Judge is looking to put together a group of 34 “qualified” jurors from which 14 can be struck, leaving the goal of 20 jurors to be seated.
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Outlining the Charges and General Narrative of Events
Judge Schroeder welcomed the prospective jurors, actually starting the day with an impromptu game of Jeopardy as everybody got settled.
He then named the defendant, Kyle Rittenhouse, and read out the charges against him, with a brief factual description of each, carefully noting that each was at present merely an allegation by the state. These charges consisted of the six criminal charges I overviewed and analyzed in yesterday’s post (“Rittenhouse Trial: What to Expect As Trial Starts Monday”), with an additional seventh charge of violating curfew—this last charge, however, appears non-criminal in nature, as the state is required to prove it only be clear and convincing evidence. Each criminal charge must, of course, be proven beyond a reasonable doubt, or the jury is obliged to acquit on that charge.
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Judge Schroeder Repeatedly References Founders
Before beginning general voir dire, Judge Schroeder had some introductory remarks for the jury about the importance of jury selection, as is commonly the case at the start of jury selection. Perhaps less commonly, Schroeder went beyond the typical “it’s a civic duty” spiel, to also specifically reference the Founding Fathers, as well as ancient Greek and Roman history, as well as the period we used to refer to as the Dark Ages when I was a schoolkid.
Judge Schroeder noted that the Founders were very specific about putting a right to a jury trial in the Constitution, and not merely any jury but a fair and impartial jury of one’s peers. He also noted that the Founders risked everything in doing so, including their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred Honor, quoting from the Declaration of Independence.
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General Voir Dire & Witness Lists
Many Prospective Jurors Had Formed an Opinion on Guilt
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Might Kyle Testify In His Own Behalf?
Interestingly, Chirafisi also asked the prospective jurors whether, should Kyle choose to testify, that they would find his testimony less credible simply because he was charged in this case? No one in the group said they would, which is not surprising. What is surprising is the question itself—because it suggests that the defense is holding open the option that Kyle himself may take the witness stand and testify in his own behalf, always a high-risk gambit.
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TOMORROW: More LIVE Coverage of the Trial Proceedings
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Know the law so you’re hard to convict.
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Attorney Andrew F. Branca
Law of Self Defense LLC
More: https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/11/rittenhouse-jury-selection-day-1-defense-hints-that-kyle-might-testify/ (https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/11/rittenhouse-jury-selection-day-1-defense-hints-that-kyle-might-testify/)
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WATCH LIVE: Kyle Rittenhouse trial
Atlanta Journal-Constitution
The trial begins for Kyle Rittenhouse, the Illinois man charged with homicide after he fatally shot two men and wounded a third during street protests in Wisconsin two days after the police shooting of Jacob Blake. (Courtesy Court TV and The Associated Press)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JiAmPMscwA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JiAmPMscwA)
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Looked like to me that not only was the DA outright lying in his opening statement butt he was trying to dictate how Rittenhouse's defense should be run.
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John Cardillo
@johncardillo
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REPORT: FBI Lost HD Rittenhouse Video, Never Told The Defense It Existed
Another day, another instance of the FBI “losing” exculpatory evidence and violating Brady.
Daily Caller (https://dailycaller.com/2021/11/03/fbi-footage-kyle-rittenhouse-trial/)
John Cardillo
@johncardillo
Same FBI that mobilized a team of agents to find Ashley Biden's diary to coverup Biden's behavior concealed exculpatory evidence that would have made it impossible to even charge Rittenhouse let alone prosecute him.
Still not one "rank and file" whistleblower.
Abolish the FBI
2:57 PM · Nov 7, 2021
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Looked like to me that not only was the DA outright lying in his opening statement butt he was trying to dictate how Rittenhouse's defense should be run.
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The DA looks like a total idiot - at the rate he's going the defense won't have to call any witnesses, the prosecution's will do just fine.
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Do we have any threats to riot yet in the event of a 'not guilty' verdict?
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Do we have any threats to riot yet in the event of a 'not guilty' verdict?
Well, there's this:John Curtis
@Johnmcurtis
George Floyd’s nephew, Cortez Rice, makes a claim that he knows people taking photos of jurors during the Kyle Rittenhouse trial in Kenosha, Wisconsin. His goal is to dox jurors if they do not convict.
8:46 AM · Nov 7, 2021
https://twitter.com/Johnmcurtis/status/1457343779833360389
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It appears the prosecution’s case is crumbling. But we also saw this in the Derek Chauvin trial and it didn’t matter
Emotional mobs are in charge of the criminal justice system now. The part where the prosecution has to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that a defendant is guilty is outdated.
Facebook and Twitter outrage is all that’s needed today
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Turns out this clown isn't really St. George of Floyd's nephew, just an acquaintance or friend.
Nov 7, 2021 3:07 PM EST
WATCH: George Floyd's nephew THREATENS jurors in Rittenhouse case
Cortez Rice, the nephew of the now-deceased George Floyd, had a chilling and threatening message for jurors currently sitting at the trial of Kyle Rittenhouse.
James Anthony
... "I ain’t even gonna name the people that I know that’s up in the Kenosha trial. But it’s cameras in there. It’s definitely cameras up in there. There’s definitely people taking pictures of the juries and everything like that," said Rice in a video.
"We know what’s going on, so we need the same results, man. We need the same results," added Rice, who went on to name a list of people for whom he demands "justice."
Rittenhouse is currently being tried for six charges in the connection with the shooting death of two people and the injuring of another during riots in Kenosha, Wisconsin. Rittenhouse pleaded not guilty and his defense maintains the shootings were in self defense. ....
The Post Millennial (https://thepostmillennial.com/floyds-nephew-threatens-jurors?utm_campaign=64471)
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I always thought it was a crime to manipulate jurors or threaten them into a verdict???????????
Where is Garland? We saw this during the Floyd trial and now this. How many more?
Maybe he can pry himself away from going after parents to investigate this
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https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1457371324079353869
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Turns out this clown isn't really St. George of Floyd's nephew, just an acquaintance or friend.The Post Millennial (https://thepostmillennial.com/floyds-nephew-threatens-jurors?utm_campaign=64471)
Probably member of BLM..and one of the rioters. We are a TURD WORLD country now.
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I always thought it was a crime to manipulate jurors or threaten them into a verdict???????????
Where is Garland? We saw this during the Floyd trial and now this. How many more?
Maybe he can pry himself away from going after parents to investigate this
This is what you get with your ANTI-TRUMP stance. o.j. Simpson. DERECK CHAUVIN...Now Kyle. AN INNOCENT CHILD!
GARLAND is dirt. Don't you know? Nothing about laws. We are now lawless country. Don't act surprised. I don't need any comment back from you.
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Turns out this clown isn't really St. George of Floyd's nephew, just an acquaintance or friend.The Post Millennial (https://thepostmillennial.com/floyds-nephew-threatens-jurors?utm_campaign=64471)
Either way, he should be up on charges.
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Possible Rittenhouse Trial Prosecution “Hail Mary”: Kyle Provoked the Attacks
Legal Insurrection by Andrew Branca 11/7/2021
https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/11/possible-rittenhouse-trial-prosecution-hail-mary-kyle-provoked-the-attacks/ (https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/11/possible-rittenhouse-trial-prosecution-hail-mary-kyle-provoked-the-attacks/)
Based on the evidence thus far, the state should not be allowed to argue “provocation,” but that doesn’t mean it won’t try as the rest of its case collapses.
After four days of testimony by State witnesses, the prosecution in the trial of Kyle Rittenhouse for intentional murder, reckless murder, attempted intentional murder and other felony charges has failed to show the court any substantive evidence that effectively attacks any of the four required elements for Kyle’s legal justification of self-defense.
This in a legal context where the State not only bears the burden to disprove self-defense generally, but to disprove self-defense beyond any reasonable doubt.
So if the State cannot effectively attack one of the core four elements of self-defense under Wisconsin law, and therefore have no prospect to a reasonable degree of legal certainty of disproving beyond a reasonable doubt Kyle’s claim of self-defense, and given that self-defense is a perfect defense against all the homicide charges against Kyle and demands an acquittal if not disproved beyond a reasonable doubt, then how is the State planning to obtain a conviction of Kyle on any of those homicide charges?
Well, it turns out that there’s a theoretical back-door strategy to attack Kyle’s claim of self-defense, and that’s to attempt to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Kyle provoked the attacks upon him, and lost the legal justification of self-defense as a result.
Provocation Under Wisconsin Self-Defense Law
It’s important to understand that the legal doctrine of provocation differs from the legal doctrine of “initial aggressor,” which we described before as how one loses the required self-defense element of Innocence.
The initial aggressor is the first person to use or threaten to use unlawful imminent force. He’s the person who, for example, throws the first punch. That conduct loses him Innocence, and loses him self-defense.
The provoker is not the initial aggressor, is not the person who is the first to use or threaten to use unlawful imminent force. To the contrary, the provoker is someone who goads the other guy into being the initial aggressor.
There are variations in how this might be done, and we’ll explore those in a moment, but in the most basic sense he’s the person whose conduct would likely lead a reasonable person to lose their temper and throw a punch.
More at link.
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Either way, he should be up on charges.
Who is going to charge him?
Nothing is going to happen to him and he knows it
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https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1457762257736065033
https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1457762960575643651
https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1457763971822354432
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https://mobile.twitter.com/thevivafrei/status/1457774701673996298
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https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1457777421365624835
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CASED CLOSED: Kyle Rittenhouse Attacker Admits Kyle Didn’t Shoot Until Gun Was Pointed At Him [WATCH]
https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1457779301718245385
more
https://trendingpolitics.com/cased-closed-kyle-rittenhouse-attacker-admits-kyle-didnt-shoot-until-gun-was-pointed-at-him-watch/
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As I said, the defense isn't gonna even have to expend the effort calling its own witnesses.
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BREAKING: Prosecutor Hangs Head In Shame As Star Witness Admits He Was Only Shot AFTER Pointing Gun At Kyle Rittenhouse
"It wasn't until you pointed your gun at him, advanced on him, with your gun - now your hands down - pointed at him that he fired? Right?" Chorafisi asked. Grosskreutz responded, "Correct."
by Gabriel Keane
November 8, 2021
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https://nationalfile.com/breaking-prosecutor-hangs-head-in-shame-after-star-witness-admits-he-was-only-shot-after-pointing-gun-at-kyle-rittenhouse/
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As I said, the defense isn't gonna even have to expend the effort calling its own witnesses.
The Prosecution is for the Defense.
Unbelievably inept. God bless them for it.
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Maybe the prosecution should compensate him for spending two months in jail for false arrest.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1457837109465681921
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https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1457841503582056449
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https://mobile.twitter.com/bravojourno/status/1457823104126881793
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Maybe the prosecution should compensate him for spending two months in jail for false arrest.
I can't watch this circus.....the rioter, ANTIFA/BLM...are protected while a young man is arrested for saving his own life, when a gun pointed to his head, a skateboard to his head and a foot stomp! HE STOPPED THEM.
THE TRAVESTY IS ARRESTING HIM....AT ALL!
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https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1457860859582054401
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https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1457837109465681921
I hope Rittenhouse' attorney played the video the world saw during his cross examination & asked him again.
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Young Kyle yelled....FRIENDLY, FRIENDLY, FRIENDLY! He also, cleaned off all the graffiti and vandalism done by ANTIFA/BLM.. on walls. I would think KYLE IS A SAINT! He also asked if anyone needed medical help. SAINT...AGAIN.
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BREAKING: Prosecutor Hangs Head In Shame As Star Witness Admits He Was Only Shot AFTER Pointing Gun At Kyle Rittenhouse
"It wasn't until you pointed your gun at him, advanced on him, with your gun - now your hands down - pointed at him that he fired? Right?" Chorafisi asked. Grosskreutz responded, "Correct."
by Gabriel Keane
November 8, 2021
(https://nationalfile.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/grosskreutz-correct.jpg)
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https://nationalfile.com/breaking-prosecutor-hangs-head-in-shame-after-star-witness-admits-he-was-only-shot-after-pointing-gun-at-kyle-rittenhouse/
That alone should justify a motion to dismiss at that point in time.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/ColumbiaBugle/status/1457852763392589827
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https://mobile.twitter.com/Cernovich/status/1457787169880248325
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Jack Posobiec 🇺🇸
@JackPosobiec
This cop is straight-up lying about Kyle Rittenhouse
Says Rosenbaum didn’t chase Kyle. Weird how this detective also has the same last name as the mayor and the DA
Detective Douchebag?
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https://mobile.twitter.com/Timcast/status/1457780478878965766
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Detective Douchebag?
The lead detective for Kyle’s case is the mayor’s nephew.
And the District Attorney prosecuting the case is a first cousin of the mayor.
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The lead detective for Kyle’s case is the mayor’s nephew.
And the District Attorney prosecuting the case is a first cousin of the mayor.
A long line of losers in that family tree.
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Young Kyle yelled....FRIENDLY, FRIENDLY, FRIENDLY! He also, cleaned off all the graffiti and vandalism done by ANTIFA/BLM.. on walls. I would think KYLE IS A SAINT! He also asked if anyone needed medical help. SAINT...AGAIN.
Welcome to Democrat crap, where no good deed goes unpunished.
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Rittenhouse Trial Day 5: Alleged Victim Gaige Grosskreutz Implodes, Admits Had Glock Pointed At Kyle When Shot, Lied to Police About It
It would be hard to fully express what a catastrophe this day was for Prosecutor Binger. State laughably responds with suddenly-discovered drone footage.
Legal Insurrection by Andrew Branca Monday, November 8, 2021
https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/11/rittenhouse-trial-day-5-alleged-victim-gaige-grosskreutz-implodes-admits-had-glock-pointed-at-kyle-when-shot-lied-to-police-about-it/ (https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/11/rittenhouse-trial-day-5-alleged-victim-gaige-grosskreutz-implodes-admits-had-glock-pointed-at-kyle-when-shot-lied-to-police-about-it/)
And it would be hard to fully express what a catastrophe this day was for Prosecutor Binger.
The prosecution’s demise came into the courtroom in the form of its star witness, Gaige Grosskreutz, famously struck in the right bicep as he closed on the fallen 17-year-old with a Glock pistol in his hand.
Grosskreutz Only Shot When His Gun Aimed at Rittenhouse
By far the most destructive of Grosskreutz testimony to the State narrative of guilt was when he recounted before the jury that at the moment that he was shot in the bicep by Kyle—the moment that his bicep was “vaporized,” to use his own language—his Glock 27 .40-caliber pistol with a round in the chamber was pointed directly at Kyle from a distance of perhaps 3 feet.
Kyle Only Ever Shot People Actually Attacking Him
Almost as compelling was Gaige Grosskreutz—I remind you, the STATE’s star witness—testifying repeatedly how Rittenhouse only ever shot at people who were actually attacking him, and never fired a shot at anybody who was not, or even anybody who appeared to have begun and attack but then backed of.
Grosskreutz Was Concerned Attacks Might Cause Kyle Senior Injury
Perhaps as sweet as Grosskreutz’ testimony about how disciplined Kyle was in his judicious use of deadly defensive force only against people apparently attempting to kill or maim him, was Grosskreutz’ testimony about his own tender concerns for Kyle’s well-being while being attacked by multiple deadly force aggressors.
Grosskreutz Shouted at Huber to Stop Striking Kyle with Skateboard
Indeed, so concerned was Grosskreutz by the danger of Huber’s skateboard attack, that he repeatedly shouted at Huber to stop hitting Kyle with the board—yes, that’s his own testimony under cross-examination today:
Grosskreutz Concedes “Jump Kick Man” Kicking Kyle in the Face with Boots
And it wasn’t just Huber whom Grosskreutz described as attacking Kyle with deadly force—meaning, legally, force capable of causing death or serious bodily injury. Although Grosskreutz burned much of what little credibility he might have had by pretending that “jump kick man” was not kicking work boots into Kyle’s face, he was ultimately compelled to conceded the truth of that attack:
At Every Grosskreutz Had with Kyle, the 17-year-old Was Non-Confrontational
Perhaps as helpful to the defense, Grosskreutz was compelled under cross-examination to concede that in every one of his own interactions with Rittenhouse—until, of course, his attack on the fallen 17-year-old with the Glock pistol—that Kyle was far from volatile or provocative, but was instead non-confrontational, and simply seeking to help people. And this was true even when it was Grosskreutz himself acting in a provocative manner towards Kyle:
So Much for the “They Were Saving Kenosha From an Active Shooter” Narrative
Surprise! Grosskreutz Himself was UNLAWFULLY Armed with a Firearm
Liar, Liar, Pants on Fire!
For much of the rest of his testimony under cross-examination, Grosskreutz simply presented as a bald-faced liar.
For example, despite the voluminous video evidence of Grosskreutz chasing down a fleeing Kyle Rittenhouse, video that was repeatedly shown to the jury during cross-examination, Grosskreutz repeated lied and said he was not chasing Kyle.
The State’s Suddenly Discovered “Unicorn” Evidence
As entertaining as the Grosskreutz cross-examination was to watch, another highlight of the day was ADA Binger’s “triumphant” presentation of his suddenly discovered “Unicorn” evidence that I supposed is intended to put the final nail in the coffin of Kyle’s self-defense narrative.
This “unicorn” evidence comes in the form of drone footage—not the FBI aerial footage we’ve already seen, but footage from a consumer-level drone, like a DJI Mavic 2 Pro. This amazing video footage purportedly appeared on the prosecutor’s doorstep just this past Friday morning, left I suppose by the evidence fairy.
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That alone should justify a motion to dismiss at that point in time.
You would think
But after Derek Chauvin, I can’t predict where this will ultimately end up
Merrick Garland may go after Rittenhouse for violating ANTIFA’s civil rights to burn down cities and to point guns at people
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The lead detective for Kyle’s case is the mayor’s nephew.
And the District Attorney prosecuting the case is a first cousin of the mayor.
So this town has a Mayor Douchebag, a District Attorney Douchebag, and a Detective Douchebag?
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So this town has a Mayor Douchebag, a District Attorney Douchebag, and a Detective Douchebag?
@Hoodat
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XGdjKvivJA8
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So this town has a Mayor Douchebag, a District Attorney Douchebag, and a Detective Douchebag?
And their cousin, DA Fauxhawk.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1458095677318344720
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Prosecution Rests in Rittenhouse Murder Trial; Curfew Violation Dropped
Joel B. Pollak 9 Nov 2021
The prosecution rested its case Tuesday in the murder trial of teenager Kyle Rittenhouse, who is accused of shooting and killing two men and wounding another during the Black Lives Matter riots in Kenosha, Wisconsin, last August 25.
Rittenhouse, who was then 17, has said he acted in self-defense — a point his attorneys hammered home throughout cross-examinations of the prosecution’s witnesses. Gaige Grosskreutz, the man Rittenhouse wounded, admitted that Rittenhouse only fired at him after he drew his own firearm and pointed it at Rittenhouse. Detective Ben Antaramian admitted that all of the people Rittenhouse shot at were chasing him, and that he did not shoot at other people, even if they had been armed.
Judge Bruce Schroeder advised the jury that one of the charges that Rittenhouse had faced, a claim of curfew violation, was no longer under consideration. It was not immediately clear why that minor charge, punishable by citation, was dropped.
Earlier, the Racine Journal Times noted, the judge denied a motion by the defense to drop the charge of unlawful possession of a firearms by a minor. The remaining charges will likely be presented to the jury once the defense has concluded.
The trial is being closely watched. The media, and the Democratic Party, have portrayed Rittenhouse as a mass murderer and — without evidence — as a white supremacist. No evidence of racial animus by Rittenhouse has been presented at the trial.
https://www.breitbart.com/law-and-order/2021/11/09/prosecution-rests-in-rittenhouse-murder-trial-curfew-violation-dropped/
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Judge reveals someone was filming Rittenhouse jurors at bus pickup as prosecutors wind down case
Prosecutors appeared to be winding down their case Tuesday in the murder trial of Kyle Rittenhouse, who shot three men, during the night of August 25th, 2020, in Kenosha Wisconsin. Facing six charges, including first-degree intentional homicide, Rittenhouse has pleaded not guilty, claiming self-defense.
With many onlookers predicting Rittenhouse, who is now 18-years-old, will be acquitted, there was a disturbing development earlier in the day involving the Rittenhouse jury pool, coming on the heels of a report Monday that people were at the Kenosha courthouse photographing jurors.
Julio Rosas, a senior writer at Townhall.com, tweeted: “Judge Schroeder reveals someone filmed the Kyle Rittenhouse jurors when they were picked up by the bus this morning. Schroeder said deputies made the person delete the video and added more steps will be taken to prevent something like that from happening again.”
In a follow-up tweet, Rosas said he was unsure about whether the person was arrested, adding that the judge “didn’t say anything about that.”
https://twitter.com/Julio_Rosas11/status/1458092224542031877
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https://www.bizpacreview.com/2021/11/09/judge-reveals-someone-was-filming-rittenhouse-jurors-at-bus-pickup-as-prosecutors-wind-down-case-1160783/
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Prosecution Rests in Rittenhouse Murder Trial
As the defense attorney, I would be asking the judge for a dismissal right now.
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Jury Threatening Begins: Judge Schroeder Says Someone Tried to Doxx Jury in Kyle Rittenhouse Trial (VIDEO)
By Jim Hoft
Published November 9, 2021 at 2:40pm
https://twitter.com/GayInTheNRA/status/1458099717028683786
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https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/11/jury-threatening-begins-judge-schroeder-says-someone-tries-doxx-jury-kyle-rittenhouse-trial-video/
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As the defense attorney, I would be asking the judge for a dismissal right now.
:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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I’ve been watching the trial on Rekieta Law YouTube channel. A bunch of conservative/libertarian lawyers comment while the trial is live-streaming. I have never laughed so much watching a trial. They also give a good explanation of a lot of the court law issues.
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Rittenhouse Trial Day 6: State’s Autopsy Expert Supports Self-Defense Narrative In Another Disastrous Prosecution Day
Soot pattern on the right hand of Rosenbaum suggested that it had been on the muzzle of the rifle when the hand was shot.
https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/11/rittenhouse-trial-day-6-another-disastrous-prosecution-day-states-autopsy-expert-supports-selp-defense-narrative/ (https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/11/rittenhouse-trial-day-6-another-disastrous-prosecution-day-states-autopsy-expert-supports-selp-defense-narrative/)
Curfew Violation Charge Dismissed
First, the curfew violation charge, Count 7 in the criminal complaint, has been dropped from the trial. No explanation was involved, but it hardly matters, it was at worst a ticketing offense.
Entire Testimony of FBI Special Agent Brandon Cramin
Today Judge Schroeder also instructed the jury that they were to disregard in its entirety the testimony on the first day of the trial of FBI Special Agent Brandon Cramin.
The State Rests: No Directed Verdict
Finally, the State officially rested today, after presenting its final two witnesses.
It should be understood that when the prosecution rests, that’s the high water mark for the State’s narrative of guilt. Until now, the only witnesses called have been those the State chose to call. To that point, the defense has had no choice whatever in the witnesses presented to the jury.
The State’s Final Witnesses
The State’s two final witnesses were James Armstrong, an imaging expert witness, and Dr. Doug Kelley, the medical examiner in the autopsies of Joseph Rosenbaum and Anthony Huber.
In a nutshell, Armstrong he did nothing observable to help the prosecution, and Dr. Kerrey affirmatively helped the defense. This is not at all how State witnesses are supposed to work for the prosecution, and especially not the last two the jury will hear from before the defense gets its turn.
Unfortunately for the State, the ‘enhanced’ video and Armstrong’s testimony still failed to show to this small-town lawyer’s eye anything like what was claimed by the Detective. As far as I can tell, this drone video is a total bust for the prosecution—and perhaps help for the defense, because it provides yet another view of Rosenbaum chasing down the fleeing Rittenhouse.
State Witness: Dr. Doug Kelley, Medical Examiner
The final State witness for this trial was Dr. Doug Kelley, the medical examiner who performed the autopsies of both Joseph Rosenbaum and Anthony Huber.
The most notable aspect of Dr. Kelley’s testimony was how visibly uncomfortable he was under direct examination by ADA Kraus. Kraus repeatedly attempted to press Dr. Kelley into providing testimony that the good doctor was clearly not comfortable providing. It was quite noticeable, with Kraus proposing some zany interpretation of the autopsy findings that might support the State’s theory of the case, and Dr. Kelley visibly hesitating before simply disagreeing.
Key to the State’s questioning of Dr. Kelley was their desire to have him testify that both Rosenbaum and Huber were further from Rittenhouse than the video evidence would suggest. Of key importance to this was the analysis of soot and gunpowder stippling around the bullet entrance wounds.
In short, soot marks are generally found only when the muzzle was within a few inches of the wound, and gunpowder stippling only when the muzzle is within four feet or less of the wound.
On cross-examination by defense counsel Richards, Kerrey testified that the gunshot wounds and injuries to both Rosenbaum and Huber were entirely consistent with the men being in a position of attack upon Rittenhouse when they were shot—even the fatal shot to Rosenbaum’s back, which was likely inflicted when the aggressor made a diving lunge at Kyle’s rifle. In particular, the soot pattern on the right hand of Rosenbaum suggested that it had been on the muzzle of the rifle when the hand was shot.
So unsatisfied was the State with their own medical examiner that they not only subject him to direct examination, they then also subject him to re-direct, and ultimately to re-re-direct. Not that it helped, as the defense effectively cross-examined in each instance.
Overall, the testimony of Dr. Kerrey wasn’t even close in terms of which party it favored—it was entirely consistent with the self-defense narrative of the defense, in a case where the State is obliged to disprove self-defense beyond any reasonable doubt.
And with that, the State rested its case, and it was the turn of the defense to steer the trial.
The Rittenhouse Strikes Back
The defense presented four witnesses today, the first three of which were substantive—Nicholas Smith and Joann Fiedler, both of whom accompanied Kyle to protect property the night of August 25, 2020, and Nathan DeBruin, an amateur photographer perhaps best known for his photo of Kyle cleaning graffiti.
For all three of these witnesses, the testimony was both entirely consistent with the legal defense of self-defense, and substantively undermined much of the already weak foundation underlying the case-in-chief the prosecution has spent the last week presenting to the jury.
More at link.
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Judge reveals someone was filming Rittenhouse jurors at bus pickup as prosecutors wind down case
Prosecutors appeared to be winding down their case Tuesday in the murder trial of Kyle Rittenhouse, who shot three men, during the night of August 25th, 2020, in Kenosha Wisconsin. Facing six charges, including first-degree intentional homicide, Rittenhouse has pleaded not guilty, claiming self-defense.
With many onlookers predicting Rittenhouse, who is now 18-years-old, will be acquitted, there was a disturbing development earlier in the day involving the Rittenhouse jury pool, coming on the heels of a report Monday that people were at the Kenosha courthouse photographing jurors.
Julio Rosas, a senior writer at Townhall.com, tweeted: “Judge Schroeder reveals someone filmed the Kyle Rittenhouse jurors when they were picked up by the bus this morning. Schroeder said deputies made the person delete the video and added more steps will be taken to prevent something like that from happening again.”
In a follow-up tweet, Rosas said he was unsure about whether the person was arrested, adding that the judge “didn’t say anything about that.”
https://twitter.com/Julio_Rosas11/status/1458092224542031877
more
https://www.bizpacreview.com/2021/11/09/judge-reveals-someone-was-filming-rittenhouse-jurors-at-bus-pickup-as-prosecutors-wind-down-case-1160783/
I wouldn't put it past ANTIFA to record the jurors in order to doxx them or attack them when Rittenhosue walks.
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As the defense attorney, I would be asking the judge for a dismissal right now.
The prosecution has done the defense council's work for them.
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Key Rittenhouse Witness Claims He Was Asked To Change His Statement By Prosecution
https://twitter.com/TPostMillennial/status/1458208540720517124
https://dailycaller.com/2021/11/09/wisconsin-kyle-rittenhouse-witness-trial-prosecutor-statement/
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A key witness for the prosecution in the Kyle Rittenhouse trial testified Tuesday that he was asked to change his statement by the prosecution team
I hope he gets disbarred.
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I hope he gets disbarred.
That'll never happen.
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Rittenhouse is on the stand despite the judge giving him every opportunity change his mind.
IMO he probably should have listened to the judge.
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Rittenhouse is on the stand despite the judge giving him every opportunity change his mind.
IMO he probably should have listened to the judge.
Agreed.
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Watch it live, with commentary by actual lawyers:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dH7Sch5mXfw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dH7Sch5mXfw)
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Agreed.
I mean the case was already won. This allows the prosecution to bring up all kinds of stuff in his background.
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Rittenhouse is on the stand despite the judge giving him every opportunity change his mind.
IMO he probably should have listened to the judge.
Agree. He also waived his 5th Amendment rights.
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Agree. He also waived his 5th Amendment rights.
Hadn't heard that part. Now it makes even less sense for him to be up there.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1458461896483360768
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https://mobile.twitter.com/ReturnOfTheFleX/status/1458459788141027337
https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1458460048644972549
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https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1458461076635340803
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https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1458464902784303107
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It's risky, but Rittenhouse has already proved he's cool under pressure. He might close the deal on the stand.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1458464902784303107
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https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1458473973885259777
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His mother ....
https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1458473457079894018
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It's risky, but Rittenhouse has already proved he's cool under pressure. He might close the deal on the stand.
Rittenhouse just broke down on the stand @Vulcan .... Judge has called a 10 minute recess.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/LawSelfDefense/status/1458470220813586437
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Rittenhouse just broke down on the stand @Vulcan .... Judge has called a 10 minute recess.
@Right_in_Virginia
In a way that is incriminating or sympathetic?
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They're posting actual Rittenhouse testimony here:
https://mobile.twitter.com/LawSelfDefense?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
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@Right_in_Virginia
In a way that is incriminating or sympathetic?
I'm voting for sympathetic ... with fingers crossed.
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Live stream:
https://youtu.be/M0tdbq3cGl8
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https://mobile.twitter.com/ColumbiaBugle/status/1458478873750999040
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https://mobile.twitter.com/AnnCoulter/status/1458473705265369091
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https://mobile.twitter.com/joelpollak/status/1458470876085567488
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https://mobile.twitter.com/ColumbiaBugle/status/1458481872967712788
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https://mobile.twitter.com/greg_price11/status/1458482883341996042
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This prosecutor is really coming across as a real scumbag.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/greg_price11/status/1458482883341996042
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https://mobile.twitter.com/JDVance1/status/1458471055446659072
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This prosecutor is really coming across as a real scumbag.
THAT'S the word I've been looking for: Scumbag!
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https://mobile.twitter.com/ColumbiaBugle/status/1458481872967712788
Mistrial territory.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/ColumbiaBugle/status/1458485597782347776
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https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1458486630990454790
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https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1458486630990454790
What is the judge screaming about?
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https://mobile.twitter.com/LawSelfDefense/status/1458487249914322946
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https://mobile.twitter.com/LawSelfDefense/status/1458486927334592521
https://mobile.twitter.com/LawSelfDefense/status/1458487249914322946
https://mobile.twitter.com/LawSelfDefense/status/1458488376366034947
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https://mobile.twitter.com/LawSelfDefense/status/1458488542334619651
https://mobile.twitter.com/LawSelfDefense/status/1458488792487116801
https://mobile.twitter.com/LawSelfDefense/status/1458488997273956352
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What a monkey that prosecutor is turning himself into.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/LawSelfDefense/status/1458489134956253187
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https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1458489528646262784
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What a monkey that prosecutor is turning himself into.
Sounds like Brian Stelter has taken over his body and is speaking through him.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1458494138589061120
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What a monkey that prosecutor is turning himself into.
Hey now! Don’t insult monkeys like that!
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IMHO what the judge SHOULD do is dismiss with prejudice and severely sanction the entire prosecution team.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/DarrenJBeattie/status/1458492459453923335
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IMHO what the judge SHOULD do is dismiss with prejudice and severely sanction the entire prosecution team.
No kidding. I finally got a chance to watch a little bit of it today, and this whole thing is a farce.
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Hey now! Don’t insult monkeys like that!
You're right! My bad! Sorry monkeys!
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https://mobile.twitter.com/DarrenJBeattie/status/1458492459453923335
Don't ever let this guy try to indict a ham sandwich - sandwich 1, Binger 0.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1458499478789541889
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https://mobile.twitter.com/greg_price11/status/1458496532181815300
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https://mobile.twitter.com/Cernovich/status/1458489217688899584
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Binger graduated from Michigan University Law School.
I think he should ask for a tuition refund.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/DarrenJBeattie/status/1458502000690278404
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Binger has won 13 jury trials
Elaborating on his judicial victories in the past two years, Binger shared with The Journal Times, "In the last two years as a prosecutor, I have won 13 jury trials. I have convicted murderers, rapists, child molesters, drug dealers, drunk drivers, home-invading burglars and men who abuse women."
I think all 13 cases should be reviewed.
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At this point I think the prosecution is trying to go for a mistrial.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/KristenBarbar/status/1458496139146272768
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https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1458501064349650947
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https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1458501239264665603
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https://mobile.twitter.com/ComfortablySmug/status/1458503379123048449
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https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1458501239264665603
It'll be going full blast. I would not put it past propaganda outlets like WaPo and NYT to provide info. to the doxxers who will be attacking the jury.
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At this point I think the prosecution is trying to go for a mistrial.
So does the defense team.
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So does the defense team.
If that happens...keep your fingers crossed he declares a mistrial with prejudice. That way the prosecution doesn't get a second bite at the apple.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/DarrenJBeattie/status/1458492459453923335
Perhaps it's because remembering the truth is simple. Keeping track of lies? Not so much.
The kid was desperately trying to make it to a police-line, and a small gang formed and began to taunt/stalk him; some of them armed.
Play stupid games...win stupid prizes.
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Perhaps it's because remembering the truth is simple. Keeping track of lies? Not so much.
The kid was desperately trying to make it to a police-line, and a small gang formed and began to taunt/stalk him; some of them armed.
Play stupid games...win stupid prizes.
:thumbsup:
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Defense is asking for mistrial with prejudice.
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Defense is asking for mistrial with prejudice.
Let's hope it's granted.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/townhallcom/status/1458489349377515521
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https://mobile.twitter.com/KyleHooten2/status/1458512934863347717
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Defense just informed the judge of their intent to file for a mistrial with prejudice.
Just a question (because I've been assuming I know what it means): when they say "with prejudice", they mean that the charges will be permanently dismissed, and the prosecution will be unable to bring them again, correct?
Also, if that's the case, what are the risks that the federal government comes in with a secondary federal prosecution?
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Yes that means the DA doesn't get a second bite at the apple.
I'd bet my next paycheck that the DoJ Civil Rights Division will have charges ready to go the minute Rittenhouse walks out of the courthouse.
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Yes that means the DA doesn't get a second bite at the apple.
I'd bet my next paycheck that the DoJ Civil Rights Division will have charges ready to go the minute Rittenhouse walks out of the courthouse.
Thanks. That is my fear as well: the federal Gestapo will probably have a phalanx of agents at the courthouse doors with an arrest warrant, so he never gets a minute of time to be a free man.
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Here we go ......
https://mobile.twitter.com/tariqnasheed/status/1458492740392480768
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https://mobile.twitter.com/ColumbiaBugle/status/1458516340692693007
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Here we go ......
https://mobile.twitter.com/tariqnasheed/status/1458492740392480768
Yup.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1458516802103914501
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Here we go ......
https://mobile.twitter.com/tariqnasheed/status/1458492740392480768
Hilarious. How can we coexist with these lunatics.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/ColumbiaBugle/status/1458519566984810504
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Prosecution is trying to set a trap for KR by painting a picture for the jury that KR was running towards Rosenbaum to attack him.
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Here we go ......
https://mobile.twitter.com/tariqnasheed/status/1458492740392480768
Just like clockwork.
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I thought an attorney stood when addressing a judge in the courtroom :pondering:
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https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1458524424664141832
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https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1458524811941097475
https://mobile.twitter.com/stillgray/status/1458524213770215426
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https://mobile.twitter.com/ReturnOfTheFleX/status/1458524631095205893
https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1458526997416710144
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https://mobile.twitter.com/RealAdamK/status/1458526322360213509
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https://mobile.twitter.com/DarrenJBeattie/status/1458529726474166279
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@Right_in_Virginia
BTW, if I haven't said so before, thank you so much for posting all of this information for the rest of us. Your time and efforts are most appreciated!
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@Right_in_Virginia
BTW, if I haven't said so before, thank you so much for posting all of this information for the rest of us. Your time and efforts are most appreciated!
I'll second that.
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@Right_in_Virginia
BTW, if I haven't said so before, thank you so much for posting all of this information for the rest of us. Your time and efforts are most appreciated!
Ditto.
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Dear ADA Binger…better to have a gun and not need it, than need a gun and not have it!!!
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https://twitter.com/justinbaragona/status/1458517562107564036
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https://twitter.com/justinbaragona/status/1458517562107564036
Thats it then - mistrial: the judge loves his country.
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I'm sorry if someone says they're coming at me and they are going to kill me I take them at their word.
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This DA fauxhawk is a real dumbass.
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Still wondering while Kyle took the stand. That sleaze bag prosecutor is landing a few blows that could have been avoided.
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Still wondering while Kyle took the stand. That sleaze bag prosecutor is landing a few blows that could have been avoided.
Agree the kid would've been better off not offering himself as a target but I dunno how effective these blows are - 'Mr Huber didn't have a gun or a club, he was only holding a skateboard when you shot him' isn't gonna fool too many jurors. 'Why wouldn't Mr Grosskreutz consider you as much a threat to him as you considered him to you' was my particular favorite.
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Still wondering while Kyle took the stand. That sleaze bag prosecutor is landing a few blows that could have been avoided.
I pondered that, but when you're offering self-defense, you pretty much have to explain your side of things and, thus, testify. Of course, in this case, the video evidence establishes self-defense pretty loud and clear.
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I watch Kyle and wonder how a 17 year old lives his life, knowing that he’s killed a man. I believe it was self-defense, but that’s still a huge burden for a young man.
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I pondered that, but when you're offering self-defense, you pretty much have to explain your side of things and, thus, testify. Of course, in this case, the video evidence establishes self-defense pretty loud and clear.
Epic sleaze tactic taking one single milli-second frame and trying to encapsulate the whole 3rd shooting as his provocation, even while sitting on his butt. Desperate Hail Mary, that I hope didn't sway any jurors.
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Chrissie Mayr - Little Rock 12/13
@ChrissieMayr
Binger: If you are so passionate about helping people, why weren’t you there on September 11th to help?
Kyle: I wasn’t born yet
Binger: Exactly
3:09 PM · Nov 10, 2021·
:thud: This prosecutor is a freakin' idiot.
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I watch Kyle and wonder how a 17 year old lives his life, knowing that he’s killed a man. I believe it was self-defense, but that’s still a huge burden for a young man.
It would be hard, but I would keep a copy of each of their rap sheets to read each time I began feeling guilty.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/1458494174940958726
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https://mobile.twitter.com/AF632/status/1458571214796967940
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https://mobile.twitter.com/sarahbeth345/status/1458593872557133825
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https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1458622071429292036
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Rittenhouse Trial Day 7: Kyle Survives Abusive Cross-Examination
https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/11/rittenhouse-trial-day-7-kyle-survives-abusive-3-hour-cross-examination/ (https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/11/rittenhouse-trial-day-7-kyle-survives-abusive-3-hour-cross-examination/)
Judge lashes out at lead prosecutor for commenting on Kyle’s post arrest silence and trying to introduce evidence the judge previously barred. Defense use-of-force expert Dr. Black to testify tomorrow, day 8 of trial
Today the trial heard testimony from the defendant himself, Kyle Rittenhouse—a high-stakes bet by the defense, and one that always has risk of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
This is a rare trial in which the defendant is relatively pristine, however, and where the little possibly negative evidence available has already been ruled inadmissible by the judge which somewhat moderates the risk. In addition, there were some important points of evidence that I know it was beneficial for the defense to have made clearer and more concrete to the jury.
Moderation is not elimination of risk, however, and any time you submit your client to several hours of cross at the hands of an experienced, and arguably unprincipled, prosecutor, you can be sure that the client will take some solid hits.
All of that happened in today’s direct examination by the Defense Counsel Mark Richards, and cross-examination by ADA Binger.
Defense Submits Motion for Mistrial with Prejudice
I’ll note up front that the biggest drama of the day came in the first part of cross-examination of Kyle by ADA Binger, who skated perilously close to have the defense awarded a clean victory—an order by the judge to declare a mistrial, and with prejudice. And he may win that “prize” yet, as the defense has, in fact, submitted a motion for a mistrial with prejudice:
Binger Attempts to Talk Self Out of 5th Amendment Blunder
One of the things that got ADA Binger in hot water with Judge Schroeder this morning was his referring several times on cross-examination of Kyle that the 17-year-old had not previously sought to explain the events of that night—improperly referencing in front of the jury Kyle’s exercise of his 5th Amendment rights.
Now, ADA Binger attempted to talk away his having commented on the defendant’s exercise of his right to silence in front of the jury. Binger did his usual blah, blah, blah word sound thing, where he says a great deal, much of it repetitive, most of which is either pointless, or apparently intended to deceive.
Binger Attempts to Talk Way Out of CVS Video Blunder
Another step this morning by ADA Binder that angered Judge Schroeder tremendously was Binger’s apparent intent to bring up the infamous CVS video in front of the jury.
The CVS video involves Kyle sitting in a car with someone while they watch an apparent shoplifting or robbery take place at a CVS across the street. Kyle says that he wished had his AR, he’d sound rounds in the criminal’s direction. He did not have his gun with him, he obviously fired no rounds, he did not engage the criminal in any way—it was the chatter of a 17-year-old boy. All Kyle actually did was call 911 to report the event to police.
Binger Tries to Get “Free as F” T-shirt into Evidence
Not one to ever give up, however, Binger no tried to get the judge to admit into evidence a photo of Kyle wearing a T-shirt that read “Free as F***” on the front. This was the shirt Kyle was wearing when he took photos at a local bar with some people who would later be characterized as “boogaloo boys.”
Judge Schroeder had ruled pre-trial that pictures generally from that encounter would not be admissible as evidence, because it could have amounted to no more than character evidence.
The Risks of Having Kyle Testify
It’s almost invariably a bad idea to put one’s client on the witness stand in a criminal prosecution, mostly for three reasons.
First, most criminal defendants are, in fact guilty. In fact, they are guilty not only of whatever the current charge is, but of a lifetime of criminal activity, arrests, and convictions. It must be assumed that all of that bad history will come out on cross-examination, and that is obviously devastating to the defense.
Second, even innocent clients often have facets of their lives that can misrepresented to make the client look bad in some way. Have a confederate themes ice cooler from the 1980s on that shelf in your garage—well, in 2010 that makes you a racist. You can see how that would go.
Third, even if that’s not a problem, many clients are not quite as intelligent and controlled as their attorneys might like them to be, making them easy prey for prosecutors that will sneer and deride the defendant under cross-examination, twist every answer into as evil a statement as possible, and through their own questions attempt to infuse into the jury a negative sense of the defendant.
Direct Examination of Kyle Rittenhouse
The direct questioning of Kyle was done by defense counsel Mark Richards, and the announcement certainly sent shockwaves through the community watching this trial.
As one would hope, everything in Kyle’s direct testimony was thoroughly consistent with his core legal defense of self-defense, from the very first minutes when Richards asked “Would you have shot Rosenbaum if he hadn’t chased you and fought for your firearm,” and Kyle answered, “No.”
The defense also sought to fill in some holes and buttress some weak spots and negative suggestions that Binder had made earlier in the trial.
Richards had Kyle describe his many associations with Kenosha, including working in the city, his father living there, and much of his extended family living there, as well.
Cross-Examination of Kyle by ADA Thomas Binger
And that brings us to the cross-examination of Kyle by ADA Binger, which totaled over three hours in duration. It was during this start of cross-examination that Binger so thoroughly stepped over the line, as we documented in our mid-day post, linked up above, so I won’t repeat that all here.
I will note, in overview, that the more than hours of cross-examination yielded essentially nothing relevant to any element of Kyle’s core legal defense of self-defense, and certainly no evidence that could to any degree of legal certainty be expected to disprove any one of those elements of self-defense beyond a reasonable doubt–which is, of course, precisely the burden the prosecution must carry to achieve a conviction, at least on any of the felony charges in this case.
Much more at link.
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I always thought it was a crime to manipulate jurors or threaten them into a verdict???????????
@LMAO
Only if you are white.
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Either way, he should be up on charges.
@Smokin Joe
Uza racist,'n shit!
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Who is going to charge him?
Nothing is going to happen to him and he knows it
@LMAO
Not true. He's going to end up with a recording contract to pump out some rap crap,and chances are he will soon be a celebirty and untouchable.
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That prosecutor needs to immediately be fired for KNOWINGLY suborning perjured testimony.
He then needs to be brought up on aiding and abetting perjury charges,and if found guilty,lose his law license and serve some hard time.
That is what would happen to any of us if we had tried to do what he did and got caught.
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That prosecutor needs to immediately be fired for KNOWINGLY suborning perjured testimony.
He then needs to be brought up on aiding and abetting perjury charges,and if found guilty,lose his law license and serve some hard time.
That is what would happen to any of us if we had tried to do what he did and got caught.
The boys in the Graybar Hotel will LOVE that sweet fauxhawk of his.
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The boys in the Graybar Hotel will LOVE that sweet fauxhawk of his.
@skeeter
Chubby Butt would be the darlin of the cellblock.
Couldn't happen to a more deserving piece of trash.
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This DA fauxhawk is a real dumbass.
Actually I think he’s pretty smart. He knows he doesn’t have a case but he’s under political pressure so he’s hoping that the judge declares a mistrial so he can then blame the judge when he’s amongst his left-wing peers at cocktail parties
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https://mobile.twitter.com/nypost/status/1458791418063949824
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Actually I think he’s pretty smart. He knows he doesn’t have a case but he’s under political pressure so he’s hoping that the judge declares in a mistrial so he can then blame the judge when he’s amongst his left-wing peers at cocktail parties
I'm assuming he chose to prosecute this case in court, in spite of what the world (that portion who still concern themselves with reality) already knows about this case.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/nypost/status/1458791418063949824
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https://mobile.twitter.com/GatorTime/status/1458637569252638721
https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1458626899568168962
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@Right_in_Virginia
BTW, if I haven't said so before, thank you so much for posting all of this information for the rest of us. Your time and efforts are most appreciated!
My pleasure @Kamaji happy77
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The left is freaking out because Kyle's defense team did a great job of establishing the self-defense motive for shooting. I thought putting him on the stand was unnecessary, and had a lot of risk. That goofy mf prosecutor landed a few sleazy mild blows with sleazy film frame manipulation, and asking leading incriminating questions.
IMO... This thing meets the mistrial with prejudice criteria by far, and I hope the Judge rules that way. Keep this thing from the jury, as I fear for their safety. George Floyd's cousin has already threatened them if an "innocent" verdict is reached.
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The left is freaking out because Kyle's defense team did a great job of establishing the self-defense motive for shooting. I thought putting him on the stand was unnecessary, and had a lot of risk. That goofy mf prosecutor landed a few sleazy mild blows with sleazy film frame manipulation, and asking leading incriminating questions.
IMO... This thing meets the mistrial with prejudice criteria by far, and I hope the Judge rules that way. Keep this thing from the jury, as I fear for their safety. George Floyd's cousin has already threatened them if an "innocent" verdict is reached.
@catfish1957
I agree
The jury knows that the State’s case is collapsing. But they are also worried about their own safety going forward. The judge declaring a mistrial with prejudice will let the jury off the hook. And this activist who bragged about threatening the jury needs to be found and arrested
It’s too bad that we are entering a period of justice by mob rule, and hopefully someone is going to clamp down on that at some point. But that’s where we find ourselves today
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My pleasure @Kamaji happy77
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FD2qukkX0AI_ew4?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Exactly
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https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1458815821464145921
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Live stream
https://youtu.be/STlOy99RWk0
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And ..... we're off!
https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1458827872978800645
https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1458829135887884292
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https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1458830335484080132
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And ..... we're off!
https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1458829135887884292
There have been several humorous moments in this trial and that was one of them.
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https://twitter.com/LawSelfDefense/status/1458843225830006795
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Behar: Kyle Rittenhouse Crying Was ‘Worst Acting’ I Have Ever Seen
Joy Behar told her co-hosts Thursday on ABC’s “The View” that the testimony of Kyle Rittenhouse during his murder trial was some of the “worst acting” she has ever seen.
Pam Key11 Nov 2021, 9:10 AM PST
https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2021/11/11/behar-kyle-rittenhouse-crying-was-worst-acting-i-have-ever-seen/
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Behar: Kyle Rittenhouse Crying Was ‘Worst Acting’ I Have Ever Seen
Joy Behar told her co-hosts Thursday on ABC’s “The View” that the testimony of Kyle Rittenhouse during his murder trial was some of the “worst acting” she has ever seen.
Pam Key11 Nov 2021, 9:10 AM PST
https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2021/11/11/behar-kyle-rittenhouse-crying-was-worst-acting-i-have-ever-seen/
May her piles hang like grapes.
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Behar: Kyle Rittenhouse Crying Was ‘Worst Acting’ I Have Ever Seen
Joy Behar told her co-hosts Thursday on ABC’s “The View” that the testimony of Kyle Rittenhouse during his murder trial was some of the “worst acting” she has ever seen.
Pam Key11 Nov 2021, 9:10 AM PST
https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2021/11/11/behar-kyle-rittenhouse-crying-was-worst-acting-i-have-ever-seen/
Predictable and boring comment. But I guess that is what her viewers want.
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Behar: Kyle Rittenhouse Crying Was ‘Worst Acting’ I Have Ever Seen
Joy Behar told her co-hosts Thursday on ABC’s “The View” that the testimony of Kyle Rittenhouse during his murder trial was some of the “worst acting” she has ever seen.
Pam Key11 Nov 2021, 9:10 AM PST
https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2021/11/11/behar-kyle-rittenhouse-crying-was-worst-acting-i-have-ever-seen/
Joyless is an expert commentator on bad acting.
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Behar: Kyle Rittenhouse Crying Was ‘Worst Acting’ I Have Ever Seen
Joy Behar told her co-hosts Thursday on ABC’s “The View” that the testimony of Kyle Rittenhouse during his murder trial was some of the “worst acting” she has ever seen.
Pam Key11 Nov 2021, 9:10 AM PST
https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2021/11/11/behar-kyle-rittenhouse-crying-was-worst-acting-i-have-ever-seen/
Just another scurrilous ad hominem attack; SOP from the left.
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Just another scurrilous ad hominem attack; SOP from the left.
Smirking, scoffing & slandering are a poor substitute for facts.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1458853195661418497
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https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1458855470614159369
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https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1458855470614159369
Who is Drew H Live?
Edit: sorry for my ignorance
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Behar: Kyle Rittenhouse Crying Was ‘Worst Acting’ I Have Ever Seen
Joy Behar told her co-hosts Thursday on ABC’s “The View” that the testimony of Kyle Rittenhouse during his murder trial was some of the “worst acting” she has ever seen.
Pam Key11 Nov 2021, 9:10 AM PST
https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2021/11/11/behar-kyle-rittenhouse-crying-was-worst-acting-i-have-ever-seen/
I guess she never saw Jussie Smolletts after he faked that BS attack, Or Lebron on the court.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1458855652546301967
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https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1458859262663344132
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https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1458859675546374159
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https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1458859903976677377
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https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1458859903976677377
:silly:
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Who is Drew H Live?
Edit: sorry for my ignorance
NVM; I figured it out!
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https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1458861041086042120
https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1458861086187393026
https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1458861511129145345
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88devil
https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1458864450262417425
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Seems pretty clear that the prosecutor is now trying to engineer a mistrial. Hopefully, the judge will see it for what it is and grant a mistrial with prejudice, so that this POS prosecutor doesn't get a second bite at the apple.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/_YvonneBurton/status/1458868167632207875
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https://mobile.twitter.com/greg_price11/status/1458866536970600448
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https://mobile.twitter.com/lawyer4laws/status/1458868366857445383
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https://mobile.twitter.com/greg_price11/status/1458866536970600448
After all the press jumps on this calling him a racist the judge is going to wish he called a mistrial yesterday.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/RubinReport/status/1458864611558453248
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Chinese food for lunch DOES sound awfully good. Thanks, your honor, for the suggestion. :laugh:
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https://mobile.twitter.com/mescubamike/status/1458866986595803148
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https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1458878198536675332
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https://mobile.twitter.com/ColumbiaBugle/status/1458883764210262019
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https://mobile.twitter.com/ColumbiaBugle/status/1458883764210262019
:silly:
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Looks like he's wearing the Sherlock Holmes pin again, the intrepid ADA. I guess it's better than the stupid Star Wars pins.
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Looks like he's wearing the Sherlock Holmes pin again, the intrepid ADA. I guess it's better than the stupid Star Wars pins.
From what I have seen this week....
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/Ys4AAOSww-lfgjtK/s-l300.jpg)
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Speaking as a former assistant prosecuting attorney (albeit not one involved in criminal cases), this guy is an embarrassment to the entire prosecuting community.
(I figured we deserved a community, too. Everyone else seems to have one).
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Speaking as a former assistant prosecuting attorney (albeit not one involved in criminal cases), this guy is an embarrassment to the entire prosecuting community.
(I figured we deserved a community, too. Everyone else seems to have one).
On the Rekieta Law livestream (linked above) this morning, the panel of lawyers that was commenting on the trial called Binger "the kind of lawyer that gives lawyers a bad name."
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Chad Felix Greene
@chadfelixg
The left went from, 'Defund the police' and 'End mass incarceration' to, 'The Prosecutor is always right' real fast.
3:48 PM · Nov 11, 2021·
Isn't that the truth. Forget all that "fight the system" crap of the 60s. The left is Wokey McWoke these days, and they just want people thrown in jail.
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On the Rekieta Law livestream (linked above) this morning, the panel of lawyers that was commenting on the trial called Binger "the kind of lawyer that gives lawyers a bad name."
I don't think the guy is qualified to be an ambulance chaser when his DA days are over.
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https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1458911099806486532
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https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1458909088130154501
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Judge is allowing the algorithm-doctored picture to be presented
Oh....photoshopped. :silly:
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https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1458909088130154501
The enhanced drone footage shows Rittenhouse pointing his rifle at Ziminskis but we really can't tell because Ziminskis asked to be cropped out.
Right.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/nypost/status/1458791418063949824
@Right_in_Virginia
Gimme 10 minutes alone with LaBron and no witnesses,and I can have him crying like a little baby.
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@catfish1957
I agree
The jury knows that the State’s case is collapsing. But they are also worried about their own safety going forward. The judge declaring a mistrial with prejudice will let the jury off the hook. And this activist who bragged about threatening the jury needs to be found and arrested
It’s too bad that we are entering a period of justice by mob rule, and hopefully someone is going to clamp down on that at some point. But that’s where we find ourselves today
@LMAO
"entering"?????
It's been that way for at least 20 years when it comes to convicting black thugs.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FD2qukkX0AI_ew4?format=jpg&name=900x900)
@mountaineer
I suspect that has a LOT to do with his testimony for the defense.
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All I know is if I am ever in trouble, I hope Binger is the prosecutor :cool:
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Day 8 of the Rittenhouse trial, defense rests its case
TMJ4 by Andrea Albers , Stephanie Haines , Tom Durian updated 6:48 PM, Nov 11, 2021
https://www.tmj4.com/news/kyle-rittenhouse-trial/watch-live-day-8-of-the-rittenhouse-trial (https://www.tmj4.com/news/kyle-rittenhouse-trial/watch-live-day-8-of-the-rittenhouse-trial)
Day eight has since concluded and jurors will be back on Monday.
The defense rested its case in the trial of Kyle Rittenhouse on Thursday.
The jury will hear closing arguments on Monday.
Once the defense finishes calling witnesses then each side will make a closing argument. From there the judge will explain to the jury the rules of law that apply to the case and lay out the decisions jury members must make. At that point, deliberation would begin. There is no way to know how long deliberations might last.
The defense rested its case shortly after 3:30 p.m. Prosecutors asked the judge to allow for additional rebuttal witnesses to debunk some of Rittenhouse's testimony on the stand Wednesday.
With the evidentiary part of the trial over, the jury was sent home for a three day weekend. Friday, the judge and attorneys will hammer out the details of Monday’s closing arguments and jury instructions. Both sides agreed they wanted to wait until Monday for the arguments, having the weekend to prepare. The judge has limited the time for closing arguments to two and a half hours per side.
Jury instructions are also expected to take at least an hour. That is where the state has said they will ask for “lesser included charges.” Lesser included charges allow the jury to find Rittenhouse guilty of a lesser charge which would carry with it a lower burden of proof and sentence. TMJ4 legal analysts say it is also a way for the jury to compromise and avoid a hung jury.
Under the current time frame laid out, the just in the Rittenhouse case could get the case for deliberation as early as Monday afternoon.
More at link.
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Paramedic shot by Rittenhouse says teen 'was an active shooter'
By Jordan Williams - 11/11/21 06:59 PM EST
A paramedic who, along with two others, was shot by Kyle Rittenhouse during protests against racial injustice in Kenosha, Wisc., last year said in an interview that the teenager was an “active shooter.”
Gaige Grosskreutz survived being shot in the arm on Aug. 25, 2020, amid protests against the police shooting of Jacob Blake. Both of the other men Rittenhouse shot, Joseph Rosenbaum and Anthony Huber, died.
In an interview on ABC News’s “Good Morning America” on Thursday, Grosskreutz was asked what he wanted people to remember most about the trial.
"I think the most important thing to remember is that Kyle Rittenhouse was an active shooter,” he said. “He murdered two men, and he attempted to murder me.”
Grosskreutz’s comments come as Rittenhouse stands trial for six charges in connection with the shootings, including homicide.
more
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/581230-paramedic-shot-by-rittenhouse-says-he-thought-teen-was-an-active-shooter
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Gaige Grosskreutz: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know
Heavy By Jessica McBride 11/10/2021
https://heavy.com/news/gaige-grosskreutz/ (https://heavy.com/news/gaige-grosskreutz/)
1. Grosskreutz Approached Rittenhouse With a Loaded Gun
2. Grosskreutz Has a Prior Gun Offense But Is Not a Felon
3. Grosskreutz’s Gun had a Bullet in the Chamber; He Is Affiliated With a Protest Group Called the People’s Revolution & Is a Medic
4. Grosskreutz, Who Lost 90% of His Right Bicep, Is Suing Kenosha
According to the court records retrieved through Pacer, Grosskreutz has filed a federal lawsuit that alleges police wrongly allowed an armed militia to imperil his safety.
5. Grosskreutz Described It All as ‘a Lot to Process’
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https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1457894088624115712
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https://mobile.twitter.com/ColumbiaBugle/status/1458983718157180928
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https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1458976238027083778
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https://mobile.twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1458790332636749824
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https://mobile.twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1458612609570201609
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I'm sorry if someone says they're coming at me and they are going to kill me I take them at their word.
Yep. Sh*t just got real.
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I watch Kyle and wonder how a 17 year old lives his life, knowing that he’s killed a man. I believe it was self-defense, but that’s still a huge burden for a young man.
Now think of all the servicemen who enlisted at 17 over the past century (or younger, earlier on).
It depends on the person and the circumstances, and yes, it will be a life changing event.
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@Smokin Joe
Uza racist,'n shit!
:silly:
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Day 8 of the Rittenhouse trial, defense rests its case
TMJ4 by Andrea Albers , Stephanie Haines , Tom Durian updated 6:48 PM, Nov 11, 2021
https://www.tmj4.com/news/kyle-rittenhouse-trial/watch-live-day-8-of-the-rittenhouse-trial (https://www.tmj4.com/news/kyle-rittenhouse-trial/watch-live-day-8-of-the-rittenhouse-trial)
"Lower burden of proof???"
I thought the burden was "beyond a reasonable doubt", no matter what the charges are.
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Lots of posts on subject
Thanks for all the posts (twitter and such) you have put into this thread.
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@Right_in_Virginia
Gimme 10 minutes alone with LaBron and no witnesses,and I can have him crying like a little baby.
@sneakypete is back!
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Rittenhouse Trial Day 8: Prosecution’s Last Desperate Lunge for Evidence of Guilt
Legal Insurrection by Andrew Branca Thursday, November 11, 2021 at 10:30pm
https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/11/rittenhouse-trial-day-8-prosecutions-last-desperate-lunge-for-evidence-of-guilt/ (https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/11/rittenhouse-trial-day-8-prosecutions-last-desperate-lunge-for-evidence-of-guilt/)
Final day of evidence introduces “enhanced” images purporting to show Kyle’s provocation
Today was the eighth day of the trial, and the final day of testimony, by which ADA Thomas Binger is seeking to have Kyle Rittenhouse convicted and sentenced to life in prison for having shot three men (two fatally) the night of August 25, 2020, in Kenosha WI, when the city was suffering a tsunami of rioting, looting, and arson following the lawful shooting of a knife-wielding Jacob Blake by Kenosha police officers.
And today, the final day of testimony in the trial, was the first time the prosecution had offered any evidence in this case that was inconsistent with Kyle’s core legal defense of self-defense, in a case where that legal defense of self-defense must be disproven by the State beyond a reasonable doubt.
Worse, that evidence came in the form of two fuzzy “enhanced” photo exhibits, admitted in the closing minutes of the trial, under circumstances in which even the State expert responsible for creating the images cannot tell the court that the “enhancement” process hasn’t loaded them with false artifacts not present in the original images.
Indeed, that expert who created the “enhanced” images testified before the jury today that he had personally never bothered to compare the original and “enhanced” versions side-by-side to ensure that the “enhanced” version was a fair and accurate representation of the original.
It’s also worth noting that these images were pulled from the video footage captured from a drone that the State did not possess until this past Friday, and these enhanced versions of the images were not available until today.
That means that for fifteen months the State investigated and prosecuted Kyle Rittenhouse for these many felonies and the gun charge without this purportedly decisive evidence in its possession—and without this purportedly decisive evidence provided by the evidence fairy at the 11th hour, what was the justification for this prosecution? It certainly wasn’t the enhanced drone photos that the State did not possess until today.
In this case we have this “unicorn” drone video that the evidence fairy dropped off on the prosecution’s doorstep this last Friday. The prosecution would like you to believe that this drone video shows Kyle Rittenhouse pointing his rifle at Joshua Ziminski, and thus provoking the attack of Joseph Rosenbaum.
As I’ve written elsewhere, a purported provocative act of this kind by Kyle opens an avenue of attack on Kyle’s claim of self-defense—and it’s an avenue the prosecution is absolutely desperate to have available, because through the entirety of this trial to date there has literally been zero substantive evidence presented that is inconsistent with that claim of self-defense—in a case where the State not only must disprove self-defense, but do so beyond a reasonable doubt.
The difficulty for the State with respect to the “unicorn” drone video footage left on their doorstep by the evidence fairy is that it really shows nothing discernible at all in its originally form—even when zoomed to max on the giant 4K monitor of my iMac—and certainly nothing that looks demonstrably like Kyle Rittenhouse pointing his rifle at anybody.
Indeed, when it was presented to Kyle on the witness stand, he flatly denied it showed anything of the sort, testifying that to him it merely appeared to show his shoulder rising slightly, but the muzzle of his rifle still pointed towards the ground.
And here’s where the difficult arises—in the magnification. Digital images consist of a number of pixels of different color, which collectively form a mosaic image we recognize as a photo or video. In our modern IT world, for example, many common images for internet use are 1920 pixels wide and 1080 pixels wide.
Imagine now that you want to take a small portion of that 1920×1080 image, perhaps a segment that’s only 192 x 108 pixels in dimension, and magnify it substantially, so that the small selected portion ends up itself being 1920×1080.
Well, you’ve started with 1/10th of the pixels of the original, and want to get back to 10/10th that number of pixels. What to do?
What in fact happens is that whatever imaging software is used to do this “zoom” will spread out the 192 x108 pixels until they occupy the area of 1920 x 1080, and then fill in the empty space between the original pixels with brand new pixels.
But pixels have color, and these brand new pixels don’t inherently come with any color—they are new-born pixels. What to do?
Well, most imaging software will “guess” at what color the new pixel should be by looking at the actual color of one of the adjacent original pixels. Is the “neighboring” original pixel blue? Well, the software makes the new pixel blue.
Clearly, this is new information being added to the enlarged version of the image that was not contained in the original image—a brand new pixel colored blue.
“Enhanced” Images Published to the Jury
Ultimately, the judge allowed these “enhanced” images to be “published” to the jury, meaning the jury actually got to see them for the first time. Importantly, Armstrong was never permitted to characterize what the images purported show—he was never permitted to recite the State’s characterization that the images showed Kyle Rittenhouse pointing his rifle at Joshua Ziminski.
That characterization will be left to the State to pursue during its closing argument to the jury on Monday.
In any case, this “enhanced” image testimony would ultimately prove to be the last evidence to be offered in this trial, after which both sides rested, concluding the evidentiary portion of the Kyle Rittenhouse trial.
Jury Instructions and Closing Arguments
Immediately following, the parties and the judge had a discussion, outside the hearing of the jury, about the schedule moving forward.
Tomorrow morning the court will return to session to finalize the jury instructions to be given to the jury prior to their deliberations. Most of these will simply be the standardized jury instructions for each of the criminal charges, including all the lesser-included offenses for the intentional homicide and attempted intentional homicide charges.
With respect to the troublesome gun possession charge, Count 6 in the criminal complaint, the judge has asked the parties to each submit their own proposed jury instructions, and I expect that argument over that issue will consume the bulk of the court’s time tomorrow.
More at link.
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https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1458973431739863050
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Sen. Johnson Probes FBI Aerial Surveillance After Rittenhouse Defense Suspects Foul Play In Kenosha Case
November 11, 2021 By Kylee Zempel
Sen. Ron Johnson sent a letter to FBI Director Christopher Wray on Tuesday requesting information about how the FBI uses surveillance aircraft during riots and protests and what it does with the footage.
The Wisconsin Republican cited reports of the FBI using these aircraft to watch the 2014 unrest in Ferguson, Mo., 2015 demonstrations in Baltimore, and the 2020 Black Lives Matter riots in Kenosha, Wisconsin.
The Kenosha footage is now being used as prosecutorial evidence in the criminal trial of Kyle Rittenhouse, raising questions about how the FBI preserves surveillance video and uses it.
“Given the FBI’s apparent use of surveillance aircraft during protests and unrest throughout the country, it is unclear how the FBI monitors those situations, how it preserves the footage from those aircraft, how it uses that footage, and whether the footage is captured at different quality levels,” Johnson wrote in his letter.
more
https://thefederalist.com/2021/11/11/sen-johnson-probes-fbi-aerial-surveillance-after-rittenhouse-defense-suspects-foul-play-in-kenosha-case/
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@sneakypete is back!
@Hoodat
Not for long. Think my hip is blown out. Pain is unbearable. Washing pus-filled towels I normally park my left leg on so I won't have to deal with that smell when I get back home.
Will be calling the rescue squad and leaving as soon as they finish washing and drying.
Might be a while before I get back this time.
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Might be a while before I get back this time.
Please let us know how it's going @sneakypete We do worry about you!
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Sen. Johnson Probes FBI Aerial Surveillance After Rittenhouse Defense Suspects Foul Play In Kenosha Case
November 11, 2021 By Kylee Zempel
Sen. Ron Johnson sent a letter to FBI Director Christopher Wray on Tuesday requesting information about how the FBI uses surveillance aircraft during riots and protests and what it does with the footage.
The Wisconsin Republican cited reports of the FBI using these aircraft to watch the 2014 unrest in Ferguson, Mo., 2015 demonstrations in Baltimore, and the 2020 Black Lives Matter riots in Kenosha, Wisconsin.
The Kenosha footage is now being used as prosecutorial evidence in the criminal trial of Kyle Rittenhouse, raising questions about how the FBI preserves surveillance video and uses it.
“Given the FBI’s apparent use of surveillance aircraft during protests and unrest throughout the country, it is unclear how the FBI monitors those situations, how it preserves the footage from those aircraft, how it uses that footage, and whether the footage is captured at different quality levels,” Johnson wrote in his letter.
more
https://thefederalist.com/2021/11/11/sen-johnson-probes-fbi-aerial-surveillance-after-rittenhouse-defense-suspects-foul-play-in-kenosha-case/
Rut-roh.....
FBI now has to explain why so many Antifa and BLM rioters got off even with extensive drone evidence.
I hope this backfires mightily.
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Today's Kyle Rittenhouse trial livestream from Rekieta Law... no testimony but motions and jury instructions will be heard.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kugIqK6yhoM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kugIqK6yhoM)
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I just heard the two great "geniuses," Bill O'Reilly and Glenn Beck, state on Beck's show that Rittenhouse had no business being there.
That is a wrong conclusion. Rittenhouse had every right to be where he was with a rifle. If more people did what Rittenhouse did, maybe we wouldn't be having so many problems.
Either the cops couldn't be everywhere that night, or, as some people allege, Wisconsin Gov. Evers didn't send in the NG in time.
Nevertheless, armed, common citizens have the perfect right to show up at scenes like what happened in Kenosha that night to help out.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/mtgreenee/status/1459160993246941189
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Judge Skeptical of Weapons Charge in Kyle Rittenhouse Trial; Statute Unclear
Joel B. Pollak 12 Nov 2021
Judge Bruce Schroeder expressed skepticism over the weapons charge in the Kyle Rittenhouse murder case in Kenosha, Wisconsin, on Friday, allowing a jury instruction submitted by the defense in which an exception to the law is highlighted.
Rittenhouse faces a charge of possession of a dangerous weapon by a person under 18, because he was 17 at the time of the shootings on Aug. 25, 2020, during a Black Lives Matter riot. (He has argued self-defense regarding the murder charges.)
But the defense pointed out that there are exceptions to the state law on the matter, including an exception for people who have a certificate of accomplishment for hunting, or for possessing firearms other than a short-barreled shotgun or rife.
The defense argued that Rittenhouse did not posesss a short-barreled shotgun or rifle. The prosecution complained that the defense had not measured the rifle, but Schroeder pointed out that the prosecution, not the defense, has the burden of proof, and the defense chimed in that there was, in fact, evidence presented during the trial about the length of Rittenhouse’s rifle.
Earlier in the trial, the judge dismissed efforts by the defense to have the weapons charge dropped. But as the lawyers argued over the jury instructions on Friday, he said he had spent “hours” trying to understand the statute, which he said was unclear.
While he had to construe the statute as valid, he lamented that the law was difficult for ordinary people to understand.
When the prosecution argued that the people with whom Rittenhouse had left the rifle in Wisconsin believed that it was not legal for him to possess it until he was 18, Judge Schroeder said that he was “not allowed” to base his ruling on their views.
Ultimately, the judge said he would let the charge go to the jury, but would allow the defense to include an instruction that pointed out the exceptions in the law — a hurdle that would make it more difficult for the prosecution to prove guilt.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/11/12/judge-skeptical-of-weapons-charge-in-kyle-rittenhouse-trial/
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I just heard the two great "geniuses," Bill O'Reilly and Glenn Beck, state on Beck's show that Rittenhouse had no business being there.
That is a wrong conclusion. Rittenhouse had every right to be where he was with a rifle. If more people did what Rittenhouse did, maybe we wouldn't be having so many problems.
Either the cops couldn't be everywhere that night, or, as some people allege, Wisconsin Gov. Evers didn't send in the NG in time.
Nevertheless, armed, common citizens have the perfect right to show up at scenes like what happened in Kenosha that night to help out.
https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1459172156793888774
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https://mobile.twitter.com/LawSelfDefense/status/1459193301072896007
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https://mobile.twitter.com/LawSelfDefense/status/1459193301072896007
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https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1459200630711635968
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https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1459213391768268809
https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1459213989515341824
https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1459214651217092614
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A computer generated photo ----
https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1458991348674183168
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https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1459218271362859013
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https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1459227323161579526
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Juries are not usually privy to these negotiations ----- is this one sequestered?
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https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1459213391768268809
https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1459213989515341824
https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1459214651217092614
And the Judge decided to allow it.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/RekietaMedia/status/1459221504177102857
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Juries are not usually privy to these negotiations ----- is this one sequestered?
The Jury is off today, this is just attorneys and the Judge.
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Juries are not usually privy to these negotiations ----- is this one sequestered?
I'm not sure if they are sequestered, but the jury is not present in the court today during these arguments.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/RekietaMedia/status/1459221504177102857
Yes, the LawTubers commenting on the Rekieta Law livestream of the trial have been very critical of the defense attorneys, saying they are not doing a good job of objecting to the prosecution's motions.
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Two weeks ago the FBI admits they have drone footage from the riots and hand over ‘low res’ video of that night. It shows a blur - Kyle - running toward the car park where cars are being destroyed. So prosecutors ‘blow up’ the photos - admittedly adding pixels - and say, “There he is pointing the gun!”
Based on that BLUR the self defense for Kyle is a total mess. If the jury thinks the gun pointed was provocation, Kyle then has a duty to retreat.
Should NEVER have been allowed. Terrible for Kyle.
They'll got their conviction.
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The Jury is off today, this is just attorneys and the Judge.
If we're watching this @Cyber Liberty so is the jury.
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I'm not sure if they are sequestered, but the jury is not present in the court today during these arguments.
If we're watching this @Ghost Bear so is the jury.
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If we're watching this @Ghost Bear so is the jury.
Yes, that's possible... but they are not supposed to be watching, and if they are caught doing so it would be a mistrial.
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The prosecution was begging for a life raft, and the defense gave up their entire boat.
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Yes, that's possible... but they are not supposed to be watching, and if they are caught doing so it would be a mistrial.
They know what's happening and there will be no mistrial.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1459234363372150789
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There is no right to self-defense if you provoke. This means he'll be found guilty of homicide.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/leftyinvests/status/1459222650824232963
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If we're watching this @Cyber Liberty so is the jury.
Certainly possible they see it, despite the Judge's daily admonition to not watch it. :whistle:
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https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1459244138029740038
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https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1459245442101747715
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https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1459254728932659202
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https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1459255246820151308
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Two weeks ago the FBI admits they have drone footage from the riots and hand over ‘low res’ video of that night. It shows a blur - Kyle - running toward the car park where cars are being destroyed. So prosecutors ‘blow up’ the photos - admittedly adding pixels - and say, “There he is pointing the gun!”
Based on that BLUR the self defense for Kyle is a total mess. If the jury thinks the gun pointed was provocation, Kyle then has a duty to retreat.
Should NEVER have been allowed. Terrible for Kyle.
They'll got their conviction.
Wow, with all that drone video, I bet the FBI has a plethora of convictions of Antifa and BLM rioters. /s
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https://mobile.twitter.com/GranTorinoDSA/status/1459215492804141061
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https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1459261803112939534
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It wouldn't surprise me if the NG escorts the jury to the courthouse on Monday ----- for their safety, of course.
:#@$%:
https://mobile.twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1459257043274158081
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https://mobile.twitter.com/GranTorinoDSA/status/1459215492804141061
Judge had done a pretty good job of slapping prosectution down for their silly bull shit. Can't beleive he is allowing them to stake the kid's freedom on what appears to be a 768K pixel digitial camera shot at 500 feet away.
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Judge had done a pretty good job of slapping prosectution down for their silly bull shit. Can't beleive he is allowing them to stake the kid's freedom on what appears to be a 768K pixel digitial camera shot at 500 feet away.
I pray you're right.
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Dan O'Donnell
@DanODonnellShow
BREAKING: Wisconsin Governor Tony Evers is mobilizing 500 National Guard troops to Kenosha to be on standby when the Kyle Rittenhouse verdict is announced, multiple law enforcement sources say. A formal announcement is expected soon.
1:34 PM · Nov 12, 2021·
Scott Walker
35m ·
Ironic. If he’d done this at the start of the riots last year, there would be no trial because the deployment of troops would have cleared the area and stopped any of the violence.
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We can take a picture from space and see a festering puss dripping boil on Joe Bidens ass and this the best resolution the FBI can provide? C'mon man.
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Group posts picture and address of Rittenhouse prosecutor
by Barnini Chakraborty, Senior Investigations Reporter
November 12, 2021 03:26 PM A group on an extremist-friendly messaging platform on Friday posted the picture and home address of the prosecutor in the Kyle Rittenhouse case.
Kenosha Strong Patriots shared a post from a user that revealed Assistant District Attorney Thomas Binger's home address and picture, the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reported.
Binger said Friday he was aware of the Telegram post and had taken measures to protect himself and his family, though he did not provide details.
One user on the Telegram site said: "This is absolutely not an encouragement to violence. Just would just be nice to see a peaceful protest outside his home like the left does every time they don't like something." ...
Washington Examiner (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/crime/group-posts-picture-and-address-of-rittenhouse-prosecutor?fbclid=IwAR1BC9GboTZi3if6x6fULQPudKEKwm9B8lo7Cq_KYhLosJXamubXwISwdks)
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Group posts picture and address of Rittenhouse prosecutor
by Barnini Chakraborty, Senior Investigations Reporter
November 12, 2021 03:26 PM Washington Examiner (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/crime/group-posts-picture-and-address-of-rittenhouse-prosecutor?fbclid=IwAR1BC9GboTZi3if6x6fULQPudKEKwm9B8lo7Cq_KYhLosJXamubXwISwdks)
Sure. They could have a protest in front of his house with protestors as peaceful as those poor murder victims he's been trying to vindicate in court.
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If this is the photo going into evidence I pray the jurors have common sense and sees what I see...nothing!
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If this is the photo going into evidence I pray the jurors have common sense and sees what I see...nothing!
That should never have been admitted into evidence.
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Sure. They could have a protest in front of his house with protestors as peaceful as those poor murder victims he's been trying to vindicate in court.
How this can be allowed is disgusting. Just another example of having an ideological civil war may be the only way to resovlve this.
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If this is the photo going into evidence I pray the jurors have common sense and sees what I see...nothing!
That's just it. The jury has to evaluate this one grain of evidence, along with the rest of the mountain of evidence, including testimony. How many times have we heard jurors questioned about a particular piece of evidence, once the trial is over, and they say they didn't believe that evidence or a particular person's testimony for a moment. Yes, pray for common sense.
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Anyone have the "enhanced" photo the prosecution is presenting as evidence for me to view... I want to see just exactly what they contorted to be used against Kyle.... (with Kyle using his other shoulder instead of his natural stance). I am just curious and can't seem to find the pic.
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Rittenhouse Trial Day 9: Prosecution Big Win On “Provocation” Jury Instruction Saves Chance At Conviction
Legal Insurrection by Andrew Branca Friday, November 12, 2021 at 06:58pm
https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/11/rittenhouse-trial-day-9-prosecutions-big-win-on-provocation-saves-a-chance-at-conviction/ (https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/11/rittenhouse-trial-day-9-prosecutions-big-win-on-provocation-saves-a-chance-at-conviction/)
Lacking any factual rebuttal to self-defense, the State will argue that Kyle Rittenhouse was a “provoker with intent” eliminating self-defense privilege under Wisconsin law that cannot be regained by withdrawal from the fight.
Today was the ninth day of the trial by which ADA Thomas Binger is seeking to have Kyle Rittenhouse convicted and sentenced to life in prison for having shot three men (two fatally) the night of August 25, 2020, in Kenosha WI, when the city was suffering a tsunami of rioting, looting, and arson following the lawful shooting of a knife-wielding Jacob Blake by Kenosha police officers.
Today the parties argued over what instructions should be given to the jury for their use in deliberating the guilt (or not) of Kyle Rittenhouse for any criminal charges for which he’s currently on trial.
Naturally, the jury was not present for this discussion. The jury will return to court on Monday morning, at which point the judge will give them the final set of jury instructions, the State will present its closing argument, the defense will present its closing, and then the State will have a rebuttal argument.
Big Win for the Prosecution: Saved by Judge Allowing Provocation Instructions
Much of the day’s argument over jury instructions centered on the instructions dealing with the legal doctrine of provocation—and that’s because an attack through the doctrine of provocation is the only desperate hope the State has for overcoming Kyle’s powerful claim of self-defense and obtaining convictions on the use-of-force charges against him.
Of the six counts brought against Kyle Rittenhouse in this trial, five are use-of-force felonies (the other is the misdemeanor gun possession charge already discussed). To each of those felony charges, Kyle has raised the legal defense of self-defense. To convict on any of those, then, the State must disprove self-defense beyond a reasonable doubt. How might the State do this, given that it has introduced little if any evidence attacking the core elements of Kyle’s self-defense?
By attacking Kyle’s claim of self-defense through the doctrine of provocation.
I expect the State’s central attack on Kyle’s core legal defense of self-defense to come in the form of a narrative of provocation with intent.
Good News for Defense: Judge Adopts Gun Charge Instruction They Drafted
The biggest jury instruction win for the defense was on the misdemeanor gun possession charge, Count 6 in the criminal complaint. The standard jury instruction for this charge would almost certainly have meant an automatic conviction for Kyle, for reasons I explain at length here: The Injustice of the Gun Charge Against Kyle Rittenhouse
Instead of that standard jury instruction, however, the judge agreed to accept a jury instruction drafted by the defense that includes as an option the exception that relieves Kyle of criminal liability for that gun possession.
The Criminal Charges and the Jury Instructions Approved for Them
The criminal complaint against Kyle has six counts. Five of these are use-of-force felony counts, and one is the misdemeanor gun possession count. Today the parties argued in court over the specific jury instructions to be read to the jury for each of those counts.
The parties also argued over where the jury would be permitted to consider lesser included offenses for a particular count in the complaint. (If you’re unfamiliar with lesser included offenses, I discuss that concept below).
Ultimately the Judge decided upon what final instructions the jury will be read on Monday morning, just before closing arguments, after which the jury will begin to deliberate, applying those jury instructions to the facts of the case as they believe those facts to have been proven or disproven.
It is worth noting that the jury can only convict on charges for which they receive a jury instruction, so as you might imagine the defense was arguing against many of the instructions the State was asking for. Overall the defense won a few of these arguments and lost a few.
Here I’ll simply list the Counts of the criminal complaint and provide the jury instructions approved for each immediately below each count.
Count 1: First Degree Reckless Homicide (Joseph Rosenbaum)
1020 First Degree Reckless Homicide
Count 2: First-Degree Recklessly Endangering Safety (Richard McGinnis)
1345 First degree reckless endangerment
1347 Second-degree reckless endangerment
Count 3: First Degree Intentional Homicide (Anthony Huber)
1010 First Degree Intentional Homicide
1016 First Degree Intentional Homicide: Self-Defense
Count 4: Attempt First Degree Intentional Homicide (Gaige Grosskreutz)
1070 Attempted First Degree Intentional Homicide
1072 Attempted First Degree Intentional Homicide: Self-Defense
1020 First Degree Reckless Homicide
Count 5: First Degree Recklessly Endangering Safety (“Jump Kick Man”)
1345 First degree reckless endangerment
1347 Second degree reckless endangerment
Count 6: Possession of a Dangerous Weapon by a Person Under 18
Much more at link.
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Gaige Grosskreutz Contradicts Sworn Testimony on CNN: I Had ‘My Arms Up’ When Rittenhouse Shot Me
Robert Kraychik 12 Nov 2021
Gaige Grosskreutz, a witness in the murder trial of Kyle Rittenhouse, contradicted sworn testimony he delivered under oath in an interview with CNN aired on Thursday.
On Monday, Grosskreutz confirmed under cross-examination by Rittenhouse attorney Corey Chirafisi that Rittenhouse shot him after he advanced upon Rittenhouse with his firearm pointed at the defendant.
Grosskreutz provided a contrary description of events leading up to him being shot by Rittenhouse in an interview with CNN’s Anderson Cooper, however, in which he denied pointing his gun at Rittenhouse prior to being shot.
https://twitter.com/AC360/status/1458970737792987142
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https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/11/12/gaige-grosskreutz-contradicts-sworn-testimony-on-cnn-i-had-my-arms-up-when-rittenhouse-shot-me/
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Gaige Grosskreutz Contradicts Sworn Testimony on CNN: I Had ‘My Arms Up’ When Rittenhouse Shot Me
And naturally, CNN confronted him by pointing out all the evidence that contradicted his statement, right?
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@Elderberry Thank You ....
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Kyle Rittenhouse's mother slams Joe Biden for 'defam[ing]' her son in exclusive 'Hannity' interview
By Hannah Grossman | Fox News 11/12/2021
https://www.foxnews.com/media/wendy-rittenhouse-slams-joe-biden-defaming-kyle-rittenhouse-hannity (https://www.foxnews.com/media/wendy-rittenhouse-slams-joe-biden-defaming-kyle-rittenhouse-hannity)
Wendy Rittenhouse: My son is not a White supremacist, he is not a racist
Kyle Rittenhouse's mother joined "Hannity" for an exclusive interview Thursday in which she slammed Joe Biden for casting her son as a White supremacist one year ago.
"When I saw that I was shocked, I was angry. President Biden don't [sic] know my son whatsoever, and he's not a White supremacist. He's not a racist. And [Biden] did that for the votes. And I was so angry for a while at him and what he did to my son, he defamed him," Wendy Rittenhouse said.
Wendy drove her son to the Antioch police station to report he was involved in a Kenosha shooting, according to Rittenhouse testimony.
In Kenosha, protests and riots erupted after the police shooting of Jacob Blake. Blake, who was 29 years old at the time, was paralyzed from the waist down as a result of the injuries he sustained during the encounter.
More at link.
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And naturally, CNN confronted him by pointing out all the evidence that contradicted his statement, right?
Or that he sang a different tune while under oath and at risk of perjuring himself.
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November 13, 2021
One fuzzy drone image may send Kyle Rittenhouse to prison
By Andrea Widburg
Up until Friday, the Kyle Rittenhouse trial was very clear: easily understood videos and witness testimony (including testimony from the prosecution witnesses) showed that Kyle, despite trying hard to avoid conflict, was attacked by a crazed child rapist, whom Kyle shot as the rapist was grabbing Kyle's gun, at which point a mob went after Kyle. He then shot and killed a domestic abuser trying to bash his head in with a skateboard, and shot and wounded a felon aiming a loaded, illegal gun at his head. On Thursday, however, the court allowed prosecutors to enter into evidence a fuzzy photo from a late-produced drone, an image prosecutors argue shows Kyle "provoking" the attacks against him. Provocation destroys Kyle's assertion that he acted in self-defense.
Andrew Branca explains how well the prosecution did on Friday. The "unicorn" evidence that the prosecutors successfully fought to get admitted is the drone footage that they just coincidentally found at the last minute before the trial. According to the prosecution, an incredibly fuzzy photo that was computer-enhanced (meaning that A.I. made "educated" guesses about where pixels should go) shows Kyle pointing his gun at Joshua Ziminski, who fired the first shot that saw Rosenbaum, who had earlier threatened to kill Kyle, chase the boy.
more
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2021/11/one_fuzzy_drone_image_may_send_kyle_rittenhouse_to_prison.html
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Kyle Rittenhouse Prosecutors Caught Tampering
Evidence (Photos & Video)
Defiant America, by Mack Cogburn
— 11/13/2021
The prosecution in the Kyle Rittenhouse Trial is caught TAMPERING with evidence, The Kyle Rittenhouse Trial has turned into a political show trial! The late stages of Kyle Rittenhouse’s murder trial in the shooting of three men highlighted the U.S. legal system’s constant debate over forensic technologies, even fundamental ideas taken for granted outside the courtroom. Rittenhouse’s defense team challenged Kenosha County prosecutors’ attempt to introduce enlarged images taken from drone video footage. Prosecutors said the images were a clear contradiction of Rittenhouse’s earlier testimony that he had not pointed his weapon at protesters prior to killing Joseph Rosenbaum.
more
https://defiantamerica.com/kyle-rittenhouse-prosecutors-caught-tampering-evidence-photos-video/
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By Julian Conradson
Published November 12, 2021 at 6:49pm
After having their entire case obliterated by video evidence and bombshell witness testimony all week – with some of the worst blows coming from their own ‘star’ witnesses – prosecutors for the state’s case against Kyle Rittenhouse finally came to the realization that their arguments had gotten them nowhere. In a shocking admission on Friday, the prosecution said that because of the evidence presented in the case “a reasonable jury or juror” could acquit Rittenhouse on the most serious charges that he faces. Even the least serious of the charges that Rittenhouse faces – illegal possession of a firearm – may be dismissed by the judge in the case.
more
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/11/moving-goalposts-kyle-rittenhouse-prosecution-pushes-multitude-lesser-crimes-last-ditch-attempt-secure-jail-time/
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By Julian Conradson
Published November 12, 2021 at 6:49pm
After having their entire case obliterated by video evidence and bombshell witness testimony all week – with some of the worst blows coming from their own ‘star’ witnesses – prosecutors for the state’s case against Kyle Rittenhouse finally came to the realization that their arguments had gotten them nowhere. In a shocking admission on Friday, the prosecution said that because of the evidence presented in the case “a reasonable jury or juror” could acquit Rittenhouse on the most serious charges that he faces. Even the least serious of the charges that Rittenhouse faces – illegal possession of a firearm – may be dismissed by the judge in the case.
more
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/11/moving-goalposts-kyle-rittenhouse-prosecution-pushes-multitude-lesser-crimes-last-ditch-attempt-secure-jail-time/
The kids gonna walk. Lessee if the left can manage to contain their teenage level passions
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https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1459392647135744003
https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1459395130616684546
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The kids gonna walk. Lessee if the left can manage to contain their teenage level passions
Not so sure after the fuzzy drone video is admissable. Here is my take and opinio after watching the past 4 days....
1. First-degree reckless homicide, use of a dangerous weapon- 70/30 Not Guilty. Self Defense angle very effectively applied by Defense. I understand this charge has an element were subject by show disregard for life. If fuzzy wuzzy bullshit shot convinces that Kyle was the aggressor, he might have an issue. here. I am thinking probably not
2. First-degree recklessly endangering safety, use of a dangerous weapon- 50/50 on this one. I think this one might be the kicker, if the jury wants to make an example of Kyle. And this is the most worrisome charge to me.
3. First-degree intentional homicide, use of a dangerous weapon- 100/0 Not Guilty. Overwhelming evidence that Kyle did was defending himself. By Day 2, you can pretty much tell that the Prosecution had given up on this option.
4. Attempted first-degree intentional homicide, use of a dangerous weapon- 100/0 Not Guilty for same reason stated above.
5. First-degree recklessly endangering safety, use of a dangerous weapon- 60/40 Guilty- Thinking from an overall poltically middle like jury, I think the argument may be successful, of why an out of town kid would bring an AR-15 to a riot without some forethought it might be used. Again, not my opinion, but what the jury might be thinking.
6. Possession of a dangerous weapon by a person under 18-Pfffffff. If the prosecution is pushing this misdemeanor charge at closing, I am thinking they think they have lost the boat. If for some reason it is included... 100/0 Guilty, though I thought the prosecution made some good points, on the applicabilty aspects of this statute.
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7. Failure to comply with an emergency order from state or local government- 100/0 Guilty See Weapons possession above. If this goes to the jury with any priority , the prosecution is going to look sillier than they already have.
I know we have a few lawyers here, so let me know if I might be off on this prognostication. Again, just my take.
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The kids gonna walk. Lessee if the left can manage to contain their teenage level passions
I like the way you think @skeeter .... But now factor in the threats of jury doxxing, the city blowing up (the Governor's activated the National Guard) and the media guilty drumbeat (this was an unsequestered jury). Does any of this affect your view of the outcome? (Serious question)
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https://twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/1459507415158702084
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I hope you're wrong @catfish1957. Whats the use in being allowed to open carry if you aren't allowed the right of self defense?
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I like the way you think @skeeter .... But now factor in the threats of jury doxxing, the city blowing up (the Governor's activated the National Guard) and the media guilty drumbeat (this was an unsequestered jury). Does any of this affect your view of the outcome? (Serious question)
I know... the way it should be doesn't necessarily equate to the way it is. That pretty much describes everything these days - through the looking glass. But, by God, I hope the right thing finally happens here.
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I hope you're wrong @catfish1957. Whats the use in being allowed to open carry if you aren't allowed the right of self defense?
I hope I am too, but (again thinking like a moderate or left leaning juror) the concept of self defense loses a little value when you bring it to a race riot. Especially an AR 15, which some would argue is not exactly a defensive weapon. (Again, not my opinion, just what the jurors may be saying or thinking)
My real thinking is I wish we had 10,000-20,000 Kyles in the summer of 2020. The BLM and Antifa terrorist would have been a lot less bold.
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I know... the way it should be doesn't necessarily equate to the way it is. That pretty much describes everything these days - through the looking glass. But, by God, I hope the right thing finally happens here.
The politicans in essence see this much like the Chauvin case...... Trump up the charges, and make an example of him. I am betting better than 50/50 that there will be a guilty verdict on one of the lesser charges, and he will have to do prison time.
Which wil be a sickening miscarrage of justice. I also thought there may be an outiside chance we may have a pattiot in there and have a hung jury on some of these counts.
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Not so sure after the fuzzy drone video is admissable. Here is my take and opinio after watching the past 4 days....
1. First-degree reckless homicide, use of a dangerous weapon- 70/30 Not Guilty. Self Defense angle very effectively applied by Defense. I understand this charge has an element were subject by show disregard for life. If fuzzy wuzzy bullshit shot convinces that Kyle was the aggressor, he might have an issue. here. I am thinking probably not
2. First-degree recklessly endangering safety, use of a dangerous weapon- 50/50 on this one. I think this one might be the kicker, if the jury wants to make an example of Kyle. And this is the most worrisome charge to me.
3. First-degree intentional homicide, use of a dangerous weapon- 100/0 Not Guilty. Overwhelming evidence that Kyle did was defending himself. By Day 2, you can pretty much tell that the Prosecution had given up on this option.
4. Attempted first-degree intentional homicide, use of a dangerous weapon- 100/0 Not Guilty for same reason stated above.
5. First-degree recklessly endangering safety, use of a dangerous weapon- 60/40 Guilty- Thinking from an overall poltically middle like jury, I think the argument may be successful, of why an out of town kid would bring an AR-15 to a riot without some forethought it might be used. Again, not my opinion, but what the jury might be thinking.
6. Possession of a dangerous weapon by a person under 18-Pfffffff. If the prosecution is pushing this misdemeanor charge at closing, I am thinking they think they have lost the boat. If for some reason it is included... 100/0 Guilty, though I thought the prosecution made some good points, on the applicabilty aspects of this statute.
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7. Failure to comply with an emergency order from state or local government- 100/0 Guilty See Weapons possession above. If this goes to the jury with any priority , the prosecution is going to look sillier than they already have.
I know we have a few lawyers here, so let me know if I might be off on this prognostication. Again, just my take.
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What worries me is if the jury believes the drumbeat that the kid shouldn't have been there, that he brought his rifle looking for trouble AND a handful believe the fuzzy photo shows he was provoking the "protestors" --- then I'd move #s 1 and 2 to 100% guilty and #s 3 and 4 to 70/30 guilty.
I hope the defense doesn't spend a lot of time on Monday talking about pixels ---- I hope they hang that photo around the necks of the prosecution as the tampered evidence it is, dismiss it, and go on to review why the prosecution resorted to tampering evidence: Kyle Rittenhouse acted in self defense, and the prosecution knows it.
Oh, and remind the jury how Kyle came to care about this area, his roots to the city.
I can only imagine the effort the defense team will be putting in this weekend. :crossed: I hope they leave time to practice.
Lastly, as far as I'm concerned, the prosecution team can just keep drinking. 888blackhat
(I haven't a clue how the threats of personal and civil violence will factor in --- )
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Not so sure after the fuzzy drone video is admissable.
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Was the entire last-minute video admitted, or only the altered still photo?
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https://twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/1459507415158702084
Posobiec also picked up on this. Some killer. 88devil
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Posobiec also picked up on this. Some killer. 88devil
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https://mobile.twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/1459518688080453642
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Paging the Rittenhouse defense team ... please pick up the white courtesy phone.
Max
@MaxNordau
I just learned that Rittenhouse’s dad, grandma, aunt, uncle, and cousins live in Kenosha.
Was this reported ANYWHERE before the trial?
1:18 PM · Nov 12, 2021·Twitter for iPhone
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Was the entire last-minute video admitted, or only the altered still photo?
Not 100% sure, but the shots where the Judge and everyone else is huddled around the larger TV seemed to focus on a short few second video rather than one shot as admissable. Was kind of shocked, since the Judge mostly has been pretty nastry to to the tactics of the prosecution.
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Not 100% sure, but the shots where the Judge and everyone else is huddled around the larger TV seemed to focus on a short few second video rather than one shot as admissable. Was kind of shocked, since the Judge mostly has been pretty nastry to to the tactics of the prosecution.
My point is that if the stills or shorts were admitted, then the entirety of the video must also be allowed as well as the source of that video. From the whole, the context of whether Kyle had the gun in the wrong hand should be more properly decided.
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Not 100% sure, but the shots where the Judge and everyone else is huddled around the larger TV seemed to focus on a short few second video rather than one shot as admissable. Was kind of shocked, since the Judge mostly has been pretty nastry to to the tactics of the prosecution.
it’s hard to believe that with the crystal clear video we have of rittenhouse being chased and attacked and shooting only in self defense determination of his guilt or innocence may hinge on grainy photos of exactly how he’s holding his gun beforehand.
As I said, through the looking glass
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When the judge told Kyle that he had the power to have the "Lesser Included Offenses" Not Included, I believe that Kyle made a Big Mistake by Not Stating that he wanted to go "All or Nothing" and have no Lesser Included Offenses included.
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EXCLUSIVE: Potential Witness Tampering as Gaige Grosskreutz, the Felon Who Aimed His Gun at Kyle Rittenhouse, Had Two Prior Charges Dismissed by Prosecutors Only Days Before Trial
By Joe Hoft
Published November 12, 2021 at 9:21pm
Suspected witness tampering is uncovered in the Kyle Rittenhouse case as star witness Gaige Grosskreutz, who aimed his gun at Rittenhouse, had charges dropped by the prosecutor only days before being a witness in the case.
We reported on Gaige Grosskreutz multiple times since last August when he had his arm nearly blown off by Kyle Rittenhouse after he pointed his gun at Kyle. For some reason, Grosskreutz has not been charged as a felon in possession of a firearm and attempting to kill Kyle Rittenhouse, even though at the time of the event, Grosskreutz was a felon.
But what we have found is that in his long list of violations, Grosskreutz was arrested with his second OWI (operating while intoxicated) and a case was filed on January 21, 2021. This was only a couple of months after he attempted to kill Kyle Rittenhouse.
The unusual coincidence is that this case was dismissed only a couple of days before Grosskreutz gave his testimony in the Rittenhouse case on October 28, 2021. See case data below:
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https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/11/breaking-exclusive-potential-witness-tampering-gaige-grosskreutz-felon-aimed-gun-kyle-rittenhouse-two-prior-charges-dismissed-prosecutors-days-trial/
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EXCLUSIVE: Potential Witness Tampering as Gaige Grosskreutz, the Felon Who Aimed His Gun at Kyle Rittenhouse, Had Two Prior Charges Dismissed by Prosecutors Only Days Before Trial
By Joe Hoft
Published November 12, 2021 at 9:21pm
Suspected witness tampering is uncovered in the Kyle Rittenhouse case as star witness Gaige Grosskreutz, who aimed his gun at Rittenhouse, had charges dropped by the prosecutor only days before being a witness in the case.
We reported on Gaige Grosskreutz multiple times since last August when he had his arm nearly blown off by Kyle Rittenhouse after he pointed his gun at Kyle. For some reason, Grosskreutz has not been charged as a felon in possession of a firearm and attempting to kill Kyle Rittenhouse, even though at the time of the event, Grosskreutz was a felon.
But what we have found is that in his long list of violations, Grosskreutz was arrested with his second OWI (operating while intoxicated) and a case was filed on January 21, 2021. This was only a couple of months after he attempted to kill Kyle Rittenhouse.
The unusual coincidence is that this case was dismissed only a couple of days before Grosskreutz gave his testimony in the Rittenhouse case on October 28, 2021. See case data below:
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https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/11/breaking-exclusive-potential-witness-tampering-gaige-grosskreutz-felon-aimed-gun-kyle-rittenhouse-two-prior-charges-dismissed-prosecutors-days-trial/
https://heavy.com/news/gaige-grosskreutz/ (https://heavy.com/news/gaige-grosskreutz/)
Gaige Grosskreutz: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know
It was widely, and falsely, reported on social media that Gaige Grosskreutz is a felon. This is false. He is not a felon.
He does, however, have a prior misdemeanor conviction for intoxicated use of a firearm in Wisconsin, online records show. He received probation in that 2015 case, records reveal.
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https://heavy.com/news/gaige-grosskreutz/ (https://heavy.com/news/gaige-grosskreutz/)
Gaige Grosskreutz: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know
Wow... any experts here on WI law? Sounds like decent grounds for a mistrial.
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Catfish ponders:
"My real thinking is I wish we had 10,000-20,000 Kyles in the summer of 2020. The BLM and Antifa terrorist would have been a lot less bold."
The time is coming -- perhaps soon -- when there will be more "Kyles".
Many more.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1459609988805144577
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https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1459613066396585997
https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1459612726892838919
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Catfish ponders:
"My real thinking is I wish we had 10,000-20,000 Kyles in the summer of 2020. The BLM and Antifa terrorist would have been a lot less bold."
The time is coming -- perhaps soon -- when there will be more "Kyles".
Many more.
Only after, Get the Hell out of Dodge. The last thing you should do is to call the Police. If you are White, you will be crucified by the politics based justice system today. If you are not White, you will not be charged with anything. And even if you are 'charged', you will be released in a couple of hours.
If you are White and shoot somebody ... RUN!! Get Away! Hide! Never call the Police.
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Was the entire last-minute video admitted, or only the altered still photo?
The jurors watched it, so it must have been admitted.
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/enhanced-drone-video-shows-first-155330597.html (https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/enhanced-drone-video-shows-first-155330597.html)
A Wisconsin jury on Tuesday watched a high-definition drone video of the moments before Kyle Rittenhouse shot one of two men he killed in August 2020.
The enhanced video showed Joseph Rosenbaum, 36, apparently chasing Rittenhouse before Rittenhouse, 17 at the time, turned and opened fire at close range, killing Rosenbaum./quote]
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@Hoodat
Not for long. Think my hip is blown out. Pain is unbearable. Washing pus-filled towels I normally park my left leg on so I won't have to deal with that smell when I get back home.
Will be calling the rescue squad and leaving as soon as they finish washing and drying.
Might be a while before I get back this time.
Hope you have good doctors and are on the mend soon.
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Getting Jurors To Imagine “Provocation” In Blurry Photo And Video – Rittenhouse Prosecution Endgame
Legal Insurrection by Andrew Branca Saturday, November 13, 2021 at 08:30pm
Even if all the prosecution gets is a hung jury, that’s a “win” for the prosecution; re-trial would be certain.
https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/11/getting-jurors-to-imagine-provocation-in-blurry-photo-and-video-the-rittenhouse-prosecution-endgame/ (https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/11/getting-jurors-to-imagine-provocation-in-blurry-photo-and-video-the-rittenhouse-prosecution-endgame/)
The Kyle Rittenhouse trial is rapidly entering the end-game, with the jury to receive its instructions on the charges on Monday morning, followed by the closing arguments of the prosecution and defense, and finally the beginning of jury deliberations sometime in the afternoon.
Given the strength of Kyle’s core claim of self-defense, and the weakness of the State’s attacks on that legal defense, it seems worth taking a look at the last desperate effort the prosecution is making to try to drag something resembling a win out of this smoking pile of a trial–and that’s to sell an incredibly weakly supported argument of provocation to at least a single juror interested in accepting such nonsense.
Kyle’s Core Claim of Self-Defense Is Extremely Robust
Kyle Rittenhouse’s legal defense to the use-of-force charges against him is, of course, centered on the privilege of self-defense under Wisconsin law. Having properly raised this legal defense at the start of these proceedings, the burden is now on the State to disprove self-defense beyond a reasonable doubt. That doesn’t mean the State has to disprove self-defense in its entirety—it merely means the state has to disprove any one of the four required elements of self-defense.
There are four core elements of self-defense under Wisconsin law that are possible targets of attack by the prosecution: Innocence, Imminence, Proportionality, and Reasonableness. I also mentioned that the fifth element of self-defense, Avoidance, does not generally apply in Wisconsin, in that there is no generalized legal duty to retreat before you can act in otherwise lawful self-defense.
Provocation: Last, Desperate Gasp of a Flailing Prosecution
There is, however, what might be thought of as a “back door” avenue of attack on self-defense, and that target becomes available where the defendant can be said to have provoked the attack against which he then defended himself. Generally, I treat provocation as a facet of the element of Innocence, but Wisconsin law breaks it out as if it were a separate element, so that’s how I’ll treat it here.
If we had any doubt what the form of attack the prosecution will bring to bear in their closing argument on Monday, that was resolved during yesterday’s conference hearing—the meeting in court, outside the presence of the jury, in which the parties argue over the precise instructions that will be given to the jury for use in their deliberations.
The prosecution’s attack will come in the form of the legal doctrine of provocation.
It’s worth noting that the jury can effectively only find the defendant guilty based upon a jury instruction that they have received from the judge. An instruction withheld from the jury necessarily withholds a path to conviction. Conversely, an instruction provided to the jury necessarily provides an additional path to conviction. (Obviously, I’m talking about criminal charge instructions here, not defense instructions.)
Provocation Upends the Trial Chessboard, Gives Prosecution Last Chance
Why? Because under the doctrine of provocation, the provocateur simply doesn’t qualify for the legal defense of self-defense at all. And if they don’t qualify for self-defense in the first place, then the merits of those four elements of self-defense—Innocence, Imminence, Proportionality, and Reasonableness—simply become irrelevant.
If the prosecution can convince the jury beyond a reasonable doubt that Kyle was provoked the attacks upon him, then it simply doesn’t matter that those attacking him might have been the first to threaten or use force, that their attacks were actually in progress, that they were threatening him with deadly force, or that his perceptions of the nature of those attacks were subjectively and objectively reasonable.
More precisely, the provocateur can still physically defend himself against such attacks—one assumes one would—but he cannot later justify that defense as lawful and free of criminal liability.
Simple Provocation & Provocation with Intent
Importantly, there are two types of provocation under Wisconsin law, each with different conditions:
simple provocation, and provocation with intent.
Simple provocation is engaging in unlawful conduct that would be reasonably likely to provoke a violent response. If that occurs, the person who provoked the violent response does not have a legal privilege of justifying their use of force against that response as self-defense, unless they meet additional conditions not usually required for self-defense.
The second form of provocation is provocation with intent. This occurs when the defendant not only provoked a violent response but did so with the deliberate intent of then having an excuse to use deadly force against the person provoked. Importantly, the provoker with intent cannot regain self-defense by withdrawal and communication—on the other hand, the State does acquire the burden prove that malicious intent, to provoke in order to have an excuse to use deadly force, beyond a reasonable doubt.
The jury instruction that addresses both simple provocation and provocation with intent under Wisconsin law is WCJI 815 Privilege: Self-Defense: Not Available to One Who Provokes an Attack: Regaining the Privilege, and it will be read to the jury Monday morning.
State: Simple Provocation Excludes Self-Defense for Every Felony Charge
The State has explicitly informed the court that it is the State’s intent to argue that every use-of-force for which Kyle has been charged was the downstream consequence of his initial purported provocation of Joseph Rosenbaum. So, if the State can convict on the Rosenbaum charge on the basis of provocation, they believe all the rest of their charges will also result in convictions, like a series of fallen dominoes.
Pretend Kyle Actually Provoked Rosenbaum: Then What?
Now, if we assume for purposes of argument that what the State is saying is true (I know, I know!), and set aside for the moment any perfectly reasonable doubts about the evidence offered to support that claim, would Kyle purportedly pointing his rifle at Rosenbaum qualify as simple provocation?
WCJI 815 tells us that:
A person who engages in unlawful conduct of a type likely to provoke others to attack, and who does provoke an attack, is not allowed to use or threaten force in self‑defense against that attack.
The State’s argument is that Kyle’s purported pointing of his rifle at Ziminski was unjustified, therefore at least a misdemeanor offense, and therefore unlawful—so it would qualify as unlawful conduct for the purposes of simple provocation.
Provoker Regaining Innocence: Withdrawal & Communication
Even if Kyle was a simple provoker, it is possible for someone who has engaged in simple provocation to regain their privilege of self-defense. How?
WCJI 815 tells us that:
A person who provokes an attack may regain the right to use or threaten force if the person in good faith withdraws from the fight and gives adequate notice of the withdrawal to his assailant.
(Emphasis added.)
So, even if Kyle was a simple provoker, he can regain his privilege of self-defense by withdrawal and communication.
Provoker Regaining Innocence: Exhausting Ever Other Means to Escape
There is a second way that a simple provoker can regain their privilege of self-defense, and that’s under circumstances where the provoked response comes in the form of a deadly force attack. We know the State intends to argue that Rosenbaum’s fighting Kyle for his gun was purely defensive in nature, and not an attack at all—but the defense has argued that Rosenbaum’s attack was deadly in nature.
When the provoked attack is deadly in nature, WCJI 815 tells us that then the provoker:
“ …may lawfully act in self‑defense. But the person may not use or threaten force intended or likely to cause death unless he … reasonably believes he … has exhausted every other reasonable means to escape from or otherwise avoid death or great bodily harm.
On this point, the State plans to argue that purported simple provoker Kyle cannot regain his privilege to self-defense under this provision, because although he fled a short distance to the spot where he ended up shooting the pursuing Rosenbaum, he had not actually “exhausted every other reasonable means to escape.”
Even Laughable Evidence Sends Issue to the Jury
Indeed, that’s the core problem for the defense on this provocation attack—the prosecution has been able to orchestrate—to the satisfaction of Judge Schroeder, in any case—a sufficient series of issues in dispute around the doctrine of simple provocation that the judge agreed to submit the provocation instruction to the jury.
It is notable that Judge Schroeder has a tremendous amount of respect of the province and prerogatives of the jury as the finder of fact.
The Danger of the “Interested Juror” Who Does Not Laugh
And there’s the great risk to the defense generally, and Kyle in particular: the jury may not laugh.
My sense is that even the prosecution doesn’t believe in the merits or truthfulness of the arguments they are putting forward here on provocation as a justified reason to deny Kyle the privilege of self-defense.
They are, however, determined to have him convicted, by any means necessary. And these arguments on provocation appear to be the only means at hand—certainly an attack on the elements of Kyle’s claim of self-defense has no likelihood to any degree of reasonable certainty of being successful in meeting the State’s burden to disprove self-defense beyond a reasonable doubt. It’s not even close.
Mistrial Normally a “Win” for the Defense, But Not This Time
Now, normally I would call a mistrial a win for the defense—but that’s normally because most defendants are guilty, so the mistrial is a gift that avoids an outright conviction.
In Kyle’s case, a mistrial is a win for the prosecution—because Kyle appears, by the overwhelming weight of the evidence, to be innocent, so the mistrial is a thief that takes from Kyle an outright acquittal.
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EXCLUSIVE: 'Under your black robes of justice you wear a white robe of the Klan.' DailyMail reveals vile emails sent to judge in Kyle Rittenhouse case including threats to 'spit directly into his face' and 'payback' against his children
On Thursday Judge Bruce Schroeder revealed that he had been sent offensive emails during the trial, some calling him a racist
DailyMail.com has reviewed the hundreds of offensive communications sent to the judge presiding over the Kyle Rittenhouse case in Kenosha, Wisconsin
One email addressed to 'Your Honor' reads, 'I didn't know that under your black robes of justice you wear a white robe of the klan'
Among the most disturbing is one that threatens the lives of the judge's children, promises 'pay back,' and states that Rittenhouse 'won't live long' if acquitted
Another reads, 'Enjoy your term, judge, it's going to be your LAST. If I ever meet you in person, I fully intend to spit directly into your face'
Numerous emails are sent anonymously or using pseudonyms
Judge Schroeder promised he would 'deal with' the senders and said, 'I wouldn't want to be those people'
By Laura Collins, Chief Investigative Reporter In Kenosha, Wisconsin For Dailymail.Com
Published: 17:01 EST, 12 November 2021 | Updated: 18:04 EST, 13 November 2021
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10196397/Scathing-emails-sent-judge-Kyle-Rittenhouse-case-reveal-threats-brand-racist.html
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This refers back to the central theme that Kyle shouldn't have crossed state lines to be in Kenosha .... that he was just looking for trouble:
Binger isn't from Kenosha either, he's from Racine. He only works in Kenosha - just like Kyle did https://t.co/kdT7QW4NDW— Jacek Posobiec 🇺🇸🇵🇱 (@JackPosobiec) November 14, 2021
Dinesh D'Souza
@DineshDSouza
Regarding the #Rittenhouse trial, I’ve never heard so much bloviation about “crossing state lines” from Beltway pundits who support a porous southern border and cross state lines in Virginia and Maryland to go to work every day
5:34 PM · Nov 13, 2021·Twitter for iPhone
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Legal Expert: Judge Should Not Allow Rittenhouse Jury to Consider Firearms Charge
AWR Hawkins 14 Nov 2021
George Washington University’s Jonathan Turley believes testimony and Judge Bruce Schroeder’s observations in Kyle Rittenhouse’s trial have undercut the firearms charge and that said charge ought not be heard by the jury.
On November 12, 2021, Breitbart News noted that Schroeder expressed skepticism about the state gun law and said he would let the charge go to the jury, but would allow the defense to include an instruction that pointed out the exceptions in the law — a hurdle that would make it more difficult for the prosecution to prove guilt.
On November 14, 2021, Turley wrote:
In covering the motions hearing last week in the trial of Kyle Rittenhouse, I noted a surprising comment from Judge Bruce Schroeder that he had “spent hours” with the Wisconsin gun law and could not state with certainty what it means in this case. The statement could effectively knock out the misdemeanor gun possession count — the one count that could still be in play for the jury after the prosecution’s case on the more serious offense appeared to collapse in court. A close examination of that provision reveals ample reason to question not just its meaning but its application to this case.
https://twitter.com/JonathanTurley/status/1459911025097068545
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https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/11/14/legal-expert-judge-should-not-allow-rittenhouse-jury-consider-firearms-charge/
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LeBron is the same P*$$Y that had to carried off the basketball court crying over a leg cramp.
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Juanita Broaddrick @atensnut
Rioting will happen after the verdict..... and the media will be the initiator. They can’t wait to start filming.
8:53 AM · Nov 15, 2021·
Jim @LesMotivated
Replying to @atensnut
Waiting to see the strategically placed pallets of bricks appearing out of no where
9:18 AM · Nov 15, 2021·
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+10 on that one!!!!!
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Rittenhouse Jury Instructions Include One That Could Be a Big Problem for the Defense
By Nick Arama | Nov 14, 2021 11:45 PM ET
The judge in the Rittenhouse case has made some decisions in regard to the jury instructions that could have a critical impact on the case.
First, the prosecution asked the judge to include a reading of some lesser charges to the jury during his jury instructions on Monday. While it’s normal for the prosecution to ask for such a reading, it’s also an indication in this case that they believe that they have problems in their case and so are trying to get a conviction even if it isn’t on the top charges that they originally charged.
Rittenhouse has been charged with a count of first-degree reckless homicide, use of a dangerous weapon (for the shooting of Joseph Rosenbaum); first-degree intentional homicide, use of a dangerous weapon (for the shooting of Anthony Huber); two counts of first-degree recklessly endangering safety, use of a dangerous weapon (for allegedly endangering two others while shooting, reporter Richie McGinniss and the man who kicked Rittenhouse in the head); one count of attempted first-degree intentional homicide (in the shooting of Gaige Grosskreutz) and possession of a dangerous weapon by a person under 18.
The prosecutor asked to add a second-degree reckless homicide charge in the case of Joseph Rosenbaum. This would not require prosecutors to prove that Rittenhouse had shown an utter disregard for human life, which is required in the first-degree count. The defense objected and Schroeder said that he wasn’t likely to allow that because he thought if there was a guilty verdict on that it would be overturned on appeal.
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https://redstate.com/nick-arama/2021/11/14/rittenhouse-jury-instructions-include-one-that-could-be-a-big-problem-for-the-defense-n474937
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Closing arguments PBS live stream....
Giving jury instructions now ... the prosecution gets 3 hours, followed by defense, and then final prosecution statements.
https://youtu.be/kSJb9y6BIao
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I don't know why he did this during final negotiations on jury instructions ........
https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1460274826598400000
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#BREAKING the Judge DISMISSES count 6 for #KyleRittenhouse. Wisconsin statue says a 17 year-old can possess a rifle or shotgun as long as it’s not a short barreled rifle or shotgun. The prosecution agreed the gun was not a short barreled rifle or shotgun.
— Amelia Jones (@AmeliaJonesTV) November 15, 2021
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https://mobile.twitter.com/DefNotDarth/status/1460272008751636492
https://mobile.twitter.com/TeamMaCaPAnc1/status/1460274591264382979
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#BREAKING the Judge DISMISSES count 6 for #KyleRittenhouse. Wisconsin statue says a 17 year-old can possess a rifle or shotgun as long as it’s not a short barreled rifle or shotgun. The prosecution agreed the gun was not a short barreled rifle or shotgun.
— Amelia Jones (@AmeliaJonesTV) November 15, 2021
Sweet!
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Sweet!
:yowsa: Very much so as it undercuts the prosecution across the board IMHO.
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If I were sitting on the jury right now, I'd be looking around for a cyanide capsule ....
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#BREAKING the Judge DISMISSES count 6 for #KyleRittenhouse. Wisconsin statue says a 17 year-old can possess a rifle or shotgun as long as it’s not a short barreled rifle or shotgun. The prosecution agreed the gun was not a short barreled rifle or shotgun.
— Amelia Jones (@AmeliaJonesTV) November 15, 2021
@Killer Clouds so the judge is also wrong...
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https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1460283686075703313
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https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1460287040629710861
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@Killer Clouds so the judge is also wrong...
@DB
It will be recharged. He was in illegal possesion. The Wisconsin state law and Illinois state law both say so. Thete was absolutely no way for Rittenhouse to legally obtain and possess any firearm. He was a 17yo Illinois resident that had someone else by the firearm for him. Yes the judge is an idiot that doesn't know his own laws. The judge is also partisan on this case. The prosecution is one of the biggest idiots out there l. From the beginning of the case he has overcharged from the beginning. Rittenhouse should be prosecuted by the DOJ for violating federal firearms laws as well as Wisconsin state firearms laws.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/LawSelfDefense/status/1460289401821356033
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@DB
It will be recharged. He was in illegal possesion. The Wisconsin state law and Illinois state law both say so. Thete was absolutely no way for Rittenhouse to legally obtain and possess any firearm. He was a 17yo Illinois resident that had someone else by the firearm for him. Yes the judge is an idiot that doesn't know his own laws. The judge is also partisan on this case. The prosecution is one of the biggest idiots out there l. From the beginning of the case he has overcharged from the beginning. Rittenhouse should be prosecuted by the DOJ for violating federal firearms laws as well as Wisconsin state firearms laws.
It’s a confusing law but it was clearly proven that he could not buy the gun, but as a 17 yr old he could possess it. You can call it a loophole or whatever you want, but that is the only way to read it because it states 16 or younger and he was 17 at the time.
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@Killer Clouds
LOL!
The Judge doesn't know the law ...
The prosecution are idiots ...
The DOJ is negligent ...
But you ... Killer Clouds have all the answers?
It's a shame you are not an Attorney General somewhere.
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Judge is struggling with how to say "if he acted in self-defense, the ballgame's over"
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https://mobile.twitter.com/LawSelfDefense/status/1460290787699167239
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https://mobile.twitter.com/LawSelfDefense/status/1460292289071251456
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@DB
It will be recharged. He was in illegal possesion. The Wisconsin state law and Illinois state law both say so. Thete was absolutely no way for Rittenhouse to legally obtain and possess any firearm. He was a 17yo Illinois resident that had someone else by the firearm for him. Yes the judge is an idiot that doesn't know his own laws. The judge is also partisan on this case. The prosecution is one of the biggest idiots out there l. From the beginning of the case he has overcharged from the beginning. Rittenhouse should be prosecuted by the DOJ for violating federal firearms laws as well as Wisconsin state firearms laws.
If we have to worry about being charged post facto with mickey mouse possession laws for attempting to protect ourselves from violent anarchists, sans police, we're all in deep pucky.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/LawSelfDefense/status/1460293330273648641
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@DB
It will be recharged. He was in illegal possesion. The Wisconsin state law and Illinois state law both say so. Thete was absolutely no way for Rittenhouse to legally obtain and possess any firearm. He was a 17yo Illinois resident that had someone else by the firearm for him. Yes the judge is an idiot that doesn't know his own laws. The judge is also partisan on this case. The prosecution is one of the biggest idiots out there l. From the beginning of the case he has overcharged from the beginning. Rittenhouse should be prosecuted by the DOJ for violating federal firearms laws as well as Wisconsin state firearms laws.
How does the statute apply to him? The prosecution agreed that the rifle he carried was not a "short-barreled rifle" and therefore he was not in violation of Wisc. Stat. 941.28, as a matter of the law of the case. As such, Wisc. Stat. 948.60, by its own terms, does not apply to him.
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@DB
It will be recharged. He was in illegal possesion. The Wisconsin state law and Illinois state law both say so. Thete was absolutely no way for Rittenhouse to legally obtain and possess any firearm. He was a 17yo Illinois resident that had someone else by the firearm for him. Yes the judge is an idiot that doesn't know his own laws. The judge is also partisan on this case. The prosecution is one of the biggest idiots out there l. From the beginning of the case he has overcharged from the beginning. Rittenhouse should be prosecuted by the DOJ for violating federal firearms laws as well as Wisconsin state firearms laws.
I believe the laws say he cannot purchase one, not that he cannot possess one. If the firearm is a gift or a loaner, he can have it in his possession. Otherwise, how would there ever be youth hunting programs in either State?
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https://mobile.twitter.com/mirandadevine/status/1460291779543154693
https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1460293417225928729
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If I were sitting on the jury right now, I'd be looking around for a cyanide capsule ....
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Exactly! :laugh:
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Binger's up... closing begins.
PBS Live stream:
https://youtu.be/kSJb9y6BIao
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https://mobile.twitter.com/LawSelfDefense/status/1460296575926693893
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https://mobile.twitter.com/LawSelfDefense/status/1460296575926693893
In other words, all sorts of manic hand-waving and lying to distract from the essential core issue: self-defense in the face of lethal aggression by the people whom he shot.
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Miranda Devine
@mirandadevine
Binger is uptight because he thought he’d fixed it so the jury will find Rittenhouse guilty of lesser charges when they should acquit him on everything once they find he acted in self defense.
Binger: "You don't get to shoot someone just because they are a drug addict".
But you do get to prosecute someone just because they believe in the Second Amendment.
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YouTube is busy messing with independent coverage of the Rittenhouse trial, taking down live streams from Rekieta Law and others, then allowing them back up. Clearly YouTube feels that only the official narrative should be allowed.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1460297523302703114
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YouTube is busy messing with independent coverage of the Rittenhouse trial, taking down live streams from Rekieta Law and others, then allowing them back up. Clearly YouTube feels that only the official narrative should be allowed.
Yes, they are. They're not effing with PBS ... link posted above.
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In other words, all sorts of manic hand-waving and lying to distract from the essential core issue: self-defense in the face of lethal aggression by the people whom he shot.
I am guessing that if one of the victims had been successful in wresting the firearm away from Rittenhouse, thus becoming armed, then and only then would the defendant have been justified in shooting him (with a firearm he no longer possessed).
Democrat logic.
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Yes, they are. They're not effing with OB ... link posted above.
Sure, they won't mess with the alphabet media. But independent streamers with their own commentary, who draw more viewers than the alphabet media, are clearly seen as a threat by YouTube.
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Binger's now reenacting the video "showing" Kyle dropped the fire extinguisher and raised his gun (holding the rifle) ---- which he says is provoction, not self defense.
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Sure, they won't mess with the alphabet media. But independent streamers with their own commentary, who draw more viewers than the alphabet media, are clearly seen as a threat by YouTube.
I agree... just giving an alternative for those interested.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1460298994442248192
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How does the statute apply to him? The prosecution agreed that the rifle he carried was not a "short-barreled rifle" and therefore he was not in violation of Wisc. Stat. 941.28, as a matter of the law of the case. As such, Wisc. Stat. 948.60, by its own terms, does not apply to him.
There is no way possible for a 17yo Illinois resident to be in legal possession of any firearm in Wisconsin. The statute quoted apply to residents of Wisconsin. Also the statute that covers open carry was also violated. Rittenhousewas in illegal possesion of a firearm because he was an Illinois resident and he was 17yo. Can anyone answer the question of how did Rittenhouse legally get possession of the firearm he was carrying?
@DB How did Rittenhouse legally get the firearm he had?
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https://mobile.twitter.com/LawSelfDefense/status/1460301814478163968
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https://mobile.twitter.com/greg_price11/status/1460303719262826496
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There is no way possible for a 17yo Illinois resident to be in legal possession of any firearm in Wisconsin. The statute quoted apply to residents of Wisconsin. Also the statute that covers open carry was also violated. Rittenhousewas in illegal possesion of a firearm because he was an Illinois resident and he was 17yo. Can anyone answer the question of how did Rittenhouse legally get possession of the firearm he was carrying?
Siri: How can I show I know nothing about Wisconsin gun laws without saying I know nothing about Wisconsin gun laws?
@DB How did Rittenhouse legally get the firearm he had?
IIRC It was already at a family members house in Kenosha
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Trial's in recess for 45 minutes.
Jury's kept on site.
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There is no way possible for a 17yo Illinois resident to be in legal possession of any firearm in Wisconsin. The statute quoted apply to residents of Wisconsin. Also the statute that covers open carry was also violated. Rittenhousewas in illegal possesion of a firearm because he was an Illinois resident and he was 17yo. Can anyone answer the question of how did Rittenhouse legally get possession of the firearm he was carrying?
@DB How did Rittenhouse legally get the firearm he had?
Do explain. With citation to statutes, careful quotation of actual statutory language, and case law, if applicable. Your bald-faced assertions fly in the face of the Wisconsin statutory language itself.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/greg_price11/status/1460302790174162944
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Do explain. With citation to statutes, careful quotation of actual statutory language, and case law, if applicable. Your bald-faced assertions fly in the face of the Wisconsin statutory language itself.
:2popcorn:
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https://mobile.twitter.com/greg_price11/status/1460299590452842499
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There is no way possible for a 17yo Illinois resident to be in legal possession of any firearm in Wisconsin.
Yet some Wisconsin schools allow students an excused absence from school during the school year to go hunting. Go figure.
A gun deer hunting license costs $20 for ages 12-17, and just $7 for those under age 12. Perhaps you should read what Wisconsin law actually says instead of parroting lies about how it's illegal for minors to possess guns.
Also the statute that covers open carry was also violated.
How so?
Since you haven't bothered to read the statute yourself before regurgitating PMSDNC propaganda, here is the statute:
948.60 Possession of a dangerous weapon by a person under 18.
(3) (c) This section applies only to a person under 18 years of age who possesses or is armed with a rifle or a shotgun if the person is in violation of s. 941.28 (https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/document/statutes/941.28) or is not in compliance with ss. 29.304 (https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/document/statutes/29.304) and 29.593 (https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/document/statutes/29.593).
In other words, all bets are off. The statute does not apply. Which is why Wisconsin is an OPEN CARRY STATE
Rittenhouse was in illegal possesion of a firearm because he was an Illinois resident and he was 17yo.
Wisconsin law says otherwise.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/LawSelfDefense/status/1460305569563041798
https://mobile.twitter.com/LawSelfDefense/status/1460305681928491015
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So what I can gather from what I'm seeing on Social Media...the prosecutor is lying through his teeth today in his summation.
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So what I can gather from what I'm seeing on Social Media...the prosecutor is lying through his teeth today in his summation.
It's pretty blatant.
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So what I can gather from what I'm seeing on Social Media...the prosecutor is lying through his teeth today in his summation.
That does appear to be the case.
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Binger: "You lose the right to self-defense when you're the one who brought the gun."
This guy just declared that no Cop or Security Guard has a right to self-defense.
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Binger: "You lose the right to self-defense when you're the one who brought the gun."
This guy just declared that no Cop or Security Guard has a right to self-defense.
I guess in Binger's mind (what there is of it), every time I go to the store, church, the library or anywhere else with a 9mm in my purse, I'm just asking for it - and have no right to defend myself when the SHTF. Gunman at Kroger or at the bank, aiming directly at me? I'll just move into a position where he gets a clearer shot, I guess. I asked for it.
Got it.
What a maroon.
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You brought the gun! It is your fault people were trying to kill you ...
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What he said is a clear misstatement of law. Did the defense object? Will the judge instruct the jury to ignore? It's as bad as if he'd told them a 40 mph speed limit means you are required to go 75.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/KyleHooten2/status/1460296652447621120
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Binger: "You lose the right to self-defense when you're the one who brought the gun."
This guy just declared that no Cop or Security Guard has a right to self-defense.
What did this guy do...cut and paste quotes from Shannon Watts website to use in his closing?
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https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1460315453717463049
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This prosecutor is a POS. A violent mob chasing after Kyle asks him if he shot any body. What was he supposed to say? "Yes, I shot somebody. What are you gonna do about it?"
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ICYMI ......
https://mobile.twitter.com/greg_price11/status/1460303719262826496
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So what I can gather from what I'm seeing on Social Media...the prosecutor is lying through his teeth today in his summation.
At one point during his argument, he accidently told the truth. But he quickly lied his way out of it.
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Bongino just suggested Binger's in the wrong line of work .... "maybe he should learn to code". :laugh:
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How the hell does Kyle know the puke's bicep muscle is cut?
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https://mobile.twitter.com/LawSelfDefense/status/1460325211518029827
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https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1460327329503326208
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Does anyone have the drinking game list? I keep thinking I'm supposed to take a drink every time I hear "full metal jacket".
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Are there any gun owners on the jury??
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There is no way possible for a 17yo Illinois resident to be in legal possession of any firearm in Wisconsin. The statute quoted apply to residents of Wisconsin. Also the statute that covers open carry was also violated. Rittenhousewas in illegal possesion of a firearm because he was an Illinois resident and he was 17yo. Can anyone answer the question of how did Rittenhouse legally get possession of the firearm he was carrying?
@DB How did Rittenhouse legally get the firearm he had?
While he could not purchase that rifle, he could legally possess it. Back to hunting, otherwise, no one under the age of 18 would be able to hunt in either state.In Wisconsin, you can hunt as young as 12, but the firearm must be provided by an adult. So, frankly the whole canard about him possessing the rifle being illegal is patently false.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1460328380205875205
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Kenny Webster
@KennethRWebster
Wisconsin is sending 5 times as many National Guard troops to prepare for the Kyle Rittenhouse verdict than they did for the Jacob Blake/George FLoyd riots.
Apparently Wisconsin Democrats get less upset over the shooting of a black man than they do over a white pedophile.
2:25 PM · Nov 15, 2021·
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Binger just said "everyone there was preparing for violence".
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Kenny Webster
@KennethRWebster
Wisconsin is sending 5 times as many National Guard troops to prepare for the Kyle Rittenhouse verdict than they did for the Jacob Blake/George FLoyd riots.
Apparently Wisconsin Democrats get less upset over the shooting of a black man than they do over a white pedophile.
2:25 PM · Nov 15, 2021·
If they had sent in the National Guard in the first place, none of this would have happened.
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Binger just said "everyone there was preparing for violence".
To the jury? That is grounds for prosecutorial misconduct right there. Hopefully the defense objected.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/greg_price11/status/1460329580942745603
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https://mobile.twitter.com/greg_price11/status/1460329580942745603
This is indicative of the unreconcilable difference between the leftwing vs normal mindsets - if you agree the rioters were 'heroes' seeking to address racial injustice by destroying property and wreaking havoc on the streets then you see Kyle Rittenhouse as a murderer. If you're an authoritarian who is using anarchy to achieve some sort of policy objective then anyone trying to restore order is a nuisance.
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I cannot believe the defense didn't object to this!
https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1460330142778241030
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To the jury? That is grounds for prosecutorial misconduct right there. Hopefully the defense objected.
Yes, to the jury ... as part of his closing.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/DefNotDarth/status/1460329987446382595
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Prosecutor Argues for Vigilante Action — Against Kyle Rittenhouse: Mob Had ‘Right’ to Chase Him
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/11/15/prosecutor-argues-for-vigilante-action-against-rittenhouse-mob-had-right-to-chase-him/
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https://mobile.twitter.com/danimalk82/status/1460331842847096839
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https://twitter.com/BiasedGirl/status/1460332715669172241
https://twitter.com/RBPundit/status/1460333047254036482
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Charlie Kirk
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The state prosecutor in the Kyle Rittenhouse case just called the mob that burned down Kenosha a crowd full of heroes.
This is the left. They demonize self defense and the second amendment and celebrate lawlessness and domestic terror.
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Suburban Black Man 🇺🇸
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Binger says Rosenbaum didn’t deserve death. I beg to differ. He was convicted for sexually assaulting a CHILD. He certainly deserved death. Separately, Kyle had no clue that he had just committed a good deed when he wiped him off the planet. It was just good luck... Thanks, Kyle!
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https://twitter.com/TPostMillennial/status/1460333160227553283
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https://twitter.com/TPostMillennial/status/1460334086946492419
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This closing argument by itself is prosecutorial misconduct that should be sufficient to get a mistrial declared - which may be the prosecution's purpose - hopefully, the judge will see through it and grant a mistrial with prejudice.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/CurtisHouck/status/1460330192518397963
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https://twitter.com/CalebJHull/status/1460334173256929286
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https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1460334429138829320
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https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1460334711625207815
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https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1460334711625207815
Finger on the trigger.
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This laughable clown show can only lead to one conclusion ... for whatever reason, the comical prosecution is secretly working as a second defense team.
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https://twitter.com/politicalelle/status/1460334302852493317
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Matt Couch
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Daily Reminder that one of the people who Kyle Rittenhouse killed raped 5 children between the ages of 9-11…
My facts don’t care about your feelings…
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https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1460337179574603782
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https://mobile.twitter.com/Matt_th3_gat/status/1460337325997797380
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15 minute break.
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This closing argument by itself is prosecutorial misconduct that should be sufficient to get a mistrial declared - which may be the prosecution's purpose - hopefully, the judge will see through it and grant a mistrial with prejudice.
There is that Motion already sitting on the bench.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/greg_price11/status/1460336315199807495
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https://mobile.twitter.com/greg_price11/status/1460339813945683974
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https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1460334711625207815 (https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1460334711625207815)
What he is doing here is not part of testimony. He is living out some kind of Hollywood fantasy like a 15 year old boy. Here, he is only trying to show everybody what a badass he is. And screwing up every part of it. He's a child, trying to prove that he is just as badass as Kyle.
Alec Baldwin tweeted his approval of this show.
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Defense is up ....
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https://twitter.com/thevivafrei/status/1460346281134600193
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Jacek Posobiec Flag of United StatesFlag of Poland
@JackPosobiec
RICHARDS UNLEASHED!
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Jacek Posobiec 🇺🇸🇵🇱
@JackPosobiec
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RICHARDS: Mr Binger lied to your faces. This is my client's LIFE. The truth matters. This is not a game.
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https://twitter.com/Julio_Rosas11/status/1460330795135078405
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https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1460347331170258949
https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1460347484291620866
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WATCH: Prosecutor in Rittenhouse Case Praises Rioters; ‘That Crowd Was Full of Heroes’
Prosecutor Thomas Binger praised the mob of Black Lives Matter rioters who chased Kyle Rittenhouse through the streets of Kenosha, Wisconsin, last Aug. 25: “That crowd was right. And that crowd was full of heroes,” he said in closing arguments.
Joel B. Pollak15 Nov 2021, 11:35 AM PST
https://www.breitbart.com/law-and-order/2021/11/15/watch-prosecutor-in-rittenhouse-case-praises-rioters-that-crowd-was-full-of-heroes/
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https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1460347736755257351
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White House Condemns ‘Vigilantes’ as Kyle Rittenhouse Trial Wraps Up
The White House on Monday condemned “vigilantes” armed with “assault weapons” as the Kyle Rittenhouse trial wrapped up in Wisconsin.
Charlie Spiering15 Nov 2021, 12:03 PM PST
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/11/15/white-house-condemns-vigilantes-as-kyle-rittenhouse-trial-wraps-up/
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Prosecutor Thomas Binger Attacks Kyle Rittenhouse for Getting Choked Up While Testifying
Thomas Binger — the lead prosecutor in the murder case against Kyle Rittenhouse — used the 18-year-old’s raw emotions on the witness stand last week as a knock against his character during closing arguments Monday.
Joshua Caplan15 Nov 2021, 12:35 PM PST
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/11/15/prosecutor-thomas-binger-attacks-kyle-rittenhouse-for-getting-choked-up-while-testifying/
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Ian Miles Cheong @ stillgray.substack.com
@stillgray
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Kyle Rittenhouse’s defense brought a massive hammer. He’s nailing every point.
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The Megyn Kelly Show
@MegynKellyShow
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“The media has described the Rittenhouse shooting as taking place during a protest, which is absolutely not true. They were rioting.”
@Julio_Rosas11
on what he saw while covering the Kenosha riot and Rittenhouse shootings. Watch: http://YouTube.com/MegynKelly
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https://mobile.twitter.com/MysteryGrove/status/1460346740989698061
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https://twitter.com/Kevin__McMahon/status/1460348270748839937
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Ian Miles Cheong @ stillgray.substack.com
@stillgray
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Kyle Rittenhouse’s defense brought a massive hammer. He’s nailing every point.
Good.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/townhallcom/status/1460347173690916872
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https://mobile.twitter.com/greg_price11/status/1460339813945683974
YES. So many people are just plain evil or insane. ALEX BALDWIN....will get off scot free, for real murder. This young man, was FORCED to defend himself, when he was pushed to the ground and told they will 'kill him' and 'I will cut your f. heart out'... "I will kill you, f. m.k.er". What has happened to America? ALL BACKWARDS.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/townhallcom/status/1460330762427932678
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https://mobile.twitter.com/ColumbiaBugle/status/1460350829047820298
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https://mobile.twitter.com/LawSelfDefense/status/1460352686935609345
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Julio Rosas
@Julio_Rosas11
That "crowd full of heroes" was the same crowd I saw just moments before attacking the very courthouse this trial is taking place at, along with attacking the police and National Guardsmen.
Ouch!
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Jacek Posobiec
@JackPosobiec
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Binger is now attacking Kyle Rittenhouse for having an AR-15 illegally even after the charge was dismissed
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That should be clear prosecutorial misconduct.
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Rekieta Media
@RekietaMedia
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"My client had the same right as anyone else in Kenosha to not be molested by Mr. Rosenbaum."
ROFL! NAILED IT.
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I believe the laws say he cannot purchase one, not that he cannot possess one. If the firearm is a gift or a loaner, he can have it in his possession. Otherwise, how would there ever be youth hunting programs in either State?
It is a felony to give a minor a firearm unless the minor is supervised by an adult and has the proper training certifications. Rittenhouse was a minor from Illinois (out of state ). He didn't have the training required to possess a firearm. Black, the guy that gave Rittenhouse the firearm, has already admitted that the previous summer Rittenhouse gave him money to buy the AR-15 for him. That is a federal felony for both of them because it is what is called a straw purchase. There is no legal way for a 17yo from Illinois to legally possess a firearm in Wisconsin. State and federal laws say.
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It is a felony to give a minor a firearm unless the minor is supervised by an adult and has the proper training certifications. Rittenhouse was a minor from Illinois (out of state ). He didn't have the training required to possess a firearm. Black, the guy that gave Rittenhouse the firearm, has already admitted that the previous summer Rittenhouse gave him money to buy the AR-15 for him. That is a federal felony for both of them because it is what is called a straw purchase. There is no legal way for a 17yo from Illinois to legally possess a firearm in Wisconsin. State and federal laws say.
You'd have a bit more credibility if you could find a statute or two that supported your argument. Particularly within the context of this case. The prosecution has already conceded that the weapon carried by Rittenhouse was not a short-barreled rifle, and that pretty much disposes of the Wisconsin allegations.
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Siri: How can I show I know nothing about Wisconsin gun laws without saying I know nothing about Wisconsin gun laws?
IIRC It was already at a family members house in Kenosha
It was not at a family members house. I was his friend Black that gave it to him. Also it doesn't matter if it was a family member. There is no legal way possible for a 17yo from Illinois to possess a firearm in Wisconsin.
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It was not at a family members house. I was his friend Black that gave it to him. Also it doesn't matter if it was a family member. There is no legal way possible for a 17yo from Illinois to possess a firearm in Wisconsin.
What part of the Wisconsin statute makes legality of possession depend on the possessor's state of residence?
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Do explain. With citation to statutes, careful quotation of actual statutory language, and case law, if applicable. Your bald-faced assertions fly in the face of the Wisconsin statutory language itself.
948.60 Wisconsin statute to start. Federal also applies.
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948.60 Wisconsin statute to start. Federal also applies.
Nope.
948.60(3)(c): "This section applies only to a person under 18 years of age who possesses or is armed with a rifle or a shotgun if the person is in violation of s. 941.28 or is not in compliance with ss. 29.304 and 29.593. This section applies only to an adult who transfers a firearm to a person under 18 years of age if the person under 18 years of age is not in compliance with ss. 29.304 and 29.593 or to an adult who is in violation of s. 941.28."
Since, as the prosecution conceded, Mr. Rittenhouse's rifle was not a short-barreled rifle within the meaning of s. 941.28, "this section" - i.e., 948.60 in its entirety - does not apply to Mr. Rittenhouse.
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Yet some Wisconsin schools allow students an excused absence from school during the school year to go hunting. Go figure.
A gun deer hunting license costs $20 for ages 12-17, and just $7 for those under age 12. Perhaps you should read what Wisconsin law actually says instead of parroting lies about how it's illegal for minors to possess guns.
How so?
Since you haven't bothered to read the statute yourself before regurgitating PMSDNC propaganda, here is the statute:
948.60 Possession of a dangerous weapon by a person under 18.
(3) (c) This section applies only to a person under 18 years of age who possesses or is armed with a rifle or a shotgun if the person is in violation of s. 941.28 (https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/document/statutes/941.28) or is not in compliance with ss. 29.304 (https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/document/statutes/29.304) and 29.593 (https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/document/statutes/29.593).
In other words, all bets are off. The statute does not apply. Which is why Wisconsin is an OPEN CARRY STATE
Wisconsin law says otherwise.
Those laws apply to Wisconsin residents. Rittenhouse is a minor from Illinois. Explain how a minor from Illinois can legally have possession and own a firearm i. Wisconsin? The answer is he can't.
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Those laws apply to Wisconsin residents. Rittenhouse is a minor from Illinois. Explain how a minor from Illinois can legally have possession and own a firearm i. Wisconsin? The answer is he can't.
Where, pray tell, is the provision that limits its applicability only to minors who are residents of Wisconsin?
You don't get to just make it up willy-nilly when it comes to criminal law; the statute has to set out the elements.
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It is a felony to give a minor a firearm unless the minor is supervised by an adult and has the proper training certifications. Rittenhouse was a minor from Illinois (out of state ). He didn't have the training required to possess a firearm. Black, the guy that gave Rittenhouse the firearm, has already admitted that the previous summer Rittenhouse gave him money to buy the AR-15 for him. That is a federal felony for both of them because it is what is called a straw purchase. There is no legal way for a 17yo from Illinois to legally possess a firearm in Wisconsin. State and federal laws say.
Do you have any links specific to the gun laws of the State of Wisconsin pertaining to what you're babbling about?
Because a duly elected Judge in the State of Wisconsin ruled otherwise.
Something tells me he knows a tad bit more about state laws and regulations than you. :whistle:
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Those laws apply to Wisconsin residents. Rittenhouse is a minor from Illinois. Explain how a minor from Illinois can legally have possession and own a firearm i. Wisconsin? The answer is he can't.
Point out in what Hoodat posted that it's limited to residents.
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While he could not purchase that rifle, he could legally possess it. Back to hunting, otherwise, no one under the age of 18 would be able to hunt in either state.In Wisconsin, you can hunt as young as 12, but the firearm must be provided by an adult. So, frankly the whole canard about him possessing the rifle being illegal is patently false.
The law also says that minors must have proper training and certification to use the firearm for hunting. Rittenhouse had someone purchase the firearm for him and that is a federal felony. Wisconsin law states selling or giving a firearm to a minor that doesn't have the proper training and certification is a felony.
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948.60 Wisconsin statute to start. Federal also applies.
Not according to the trial judge.
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It was not at a family members house. I was his friend Black that gave it to him. Also it doesn't matter if it was a family member. There is no legal way possible for a 17yo from Illinois to possess a firearm in Wisconsin.
Thanks for confirming the first part of what I said earlier that you quoted above.
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The law also says that minors must have proper training and certification to use the firearm for hunting. Rittenhouse had someone purchase the firearm for him and that is a federal felony. Wisconsin law states selling or giving a firearm to a minor that doesn't have the proper training and certification is a felony.
He wasn't using it for hunting, was he? He possessed a long-barreled rifle, and according to the judge who has resolved the remaining statutory ambiguities, the charge doesn't apply because the exception applies.
Now, would you be so kind as to indicate where these various provisions are limited to minors who are residents of Wisconsin?
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Rittenhouse had someone purchase the firearm for him and that is a federal felony.
There is no evidence there was any kind of straw purchase for Rittenhouse.
Wisconsin law states selling or giving a firearm to a minor that doesn't have the proper training and certification is a felony.
Link?
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He wasn't using it for hunting, was he? He possessed a long-barreled rifle, and according to the judge who has resolved the remaining statutory ambiguities, the charge doesn't apply because the exception applies.
Now, would you be so kind as to indicate where these various provisions are limited to minors who are residents of Wisconsin?
Killer seems to be getting all his false info on Rittenhosue from his favorite Liberal anti gun websites.
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Not according to the trial judge.
@Killer Clouds
has already testified that the Judge is an idiot and does not know the 'law' as he sees it.
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It is a felony to give a minor a firearm unless the minor is supervised by an adult and has the proper training certifications. Rittenhouse was a minor from Illinois (out of state ). He didn't have the training required to possess a firearm. Black, the guy that gave Rittenhouse the firearm, has already admitted that the previous summer Rittenhouse gave him money to buy the AR-15 for him. That is a federal felony for both of them because it is what is called a straw purchase. There is no legal way for a 17yo from Illinois to legally possess a firearm in Wisconsin. State and federal laws say.
Don't his grandparents and other relatives live in Kenosha? Mi casa, su casa!
:shrug:
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It is a felony to give a minor a firearm unless the minor is supervised by an adult and has the proper training certifications.
Pure BS. I already posted the statute. And all you have posted is non-substantiated MSDNC talking points. Felony, eh? Let's see the statute, counselor.
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Not according to the trial judge.
Not according to Wisconsin law either.
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Pure BS. I already posted the statute. And all you have posted is non-substantiated MSDNC talking points. Felony, eh? Let's see the statute, counselor.
LOL! He would starve!
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@Killer Clouds
has already testified that the Judge is an idiot and does not know the 'law' as he sees it.
So Killer sympathizes with ANTIFA and incompetent prosecutors...got it.
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Those laws apply to Wisconsin residents. Rittenhouse is a minor from Illinois.
Does the same apply for highway speed limits, designated smoking areas, or car insurance rules? Are Illinois drivers not allowed to drive 65 mph on Wiscinsin roads because they are from out of state?
This is the pitfall of making up crap as you go. You end up looking like a dishonest fool.
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Don't his grandparents and other relatives live in Kenosha? Mi casa, su casa!
:shrug:
He does. He has relatives in Kenosha. And considering that Kenosha sits right on the Illinois border...crossing state lines isn't even a thing for the people living in that area.
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Does the same apply for highway speed limits, designated smoking areas, or car insurance rules? Are Illinois drivers not allowed to drive 65 mph on Wiscinsin roads because they are from out of state?
This is the pitfall of making up crap as you go. You end up looking like a dishonest fool.
@Hoodat but in Killer's case he's not just looking like that.
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More than just an innocent kid is on trial in Kenosha right now.
The whole belief in the right of self defense has been put on trial as well.
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Rising serpent
@rising_serpent
This is a regular Laurel and Hardy shit show.
The corpulent wheezy one said there's is no such thing as a right or left-handed gun.
Meanwhile his colleague just pointed a gun at members of the jury.
It's hard to find a more incompetent pair of buffoons except in the White House
6:49 PM · Nov 15, 2021
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Twitter Decides Rittenhouse is Guilty, Bans People for Saying He Is Innocent
Michael Austin November 15, 2021 at 1:43pm
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Twitter Decides Rittenhouse is Guilty, Bans People for Saying He Is Innocent
By Michael Austin November 15, 2021 at 1:43pm
We might as well stop the trial of Kyle Rittenhouse now, because the Big Tech overlords over at Twitter have already determined his guilt.
They’re the ones who get to decide what the truth is nowadays anyway.
The 18-year-old Rittenhouse faces homicide and other charges related to the shooting of three men, two of them fatally, during the unrest of August 2020. Rittenhouse shot and killed Joseph Rosenbaum, 36, and Anthony Huber, 26, and injured Gaige Grosskreutz.
According to multiple court reports and witnesses, Rosenbaum chased down Rittenhouse and lunged for the teenager’s gun, Huber assaulted Rittenhouse with a skateboard and Grosskreutz advanced on Rittenhouse, pointing a gun at him at the time the three men were shot.
Despite this evidence, it appears that Twitter is suspending and/ or banning any user who claims Rittenhouse is innocent. . . .
https://www.westernjournal.com/twitter-decides-rittenhouse-guilty-bans-people-saying-innocent/
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I thought the verdict came in today... did I miss it?
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Twitter Decides Rittenhouse is Guilty, Bans People for Saying He Is Innocent
Michael Austin November 15, 2021 at 1:43pm
Equipping Readers with The Truth
Monday, November 15, 2021
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Twitter Decides Rittenhouse is Guilty, Bans People for Saying He Is Innocent
By Michael Austin November 15, 2021 at 1:43pm
We might as well stop the trial of Kyle Rittenhouse now, because the Big Tech overlords over at Twitter have already determined his guilt.
They’re the ones who get to decide what the truth is nowadays anyway.
The 18-year-old Rittenhouse faces homicide and other charges related to the shooting of three men, two of them fatally, during the unrest of August 2020. Rittenhouse shot and killed Joseph Rosenbaum, 36, and Anthony Huber, 26, and injured Gaige Grosskreutz.
According to multiple court reports and witnesses, Rosenbaum chased down Rittenhouse and lunged for the teenager’s gun, Huber assaulted Rittenhouse with a skateboard and Grosskreutz advanced on Rittenhouse, pointing a gun at him at the time the three men were shot.
Despite this evidence, it appears that Twitter is suspending and/ or banning any user who claims Rittenhouse is innocent. . . .
https://www.westernjournal.com/twitter-decides-rittenhouse-guilty-bans-people-saying-innocent/
Twitter needs to be broken up and subjected to publisher liability for libel.
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Pure BS. I already posted the statute. And all you have posted is non-substantiated MSDNC talking points. Felony, eh? Let's see the statute, counselor.
It's in the statute you posted.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/ColumbiaBugle/status/1460406063560335364
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I thought the verdict came in today... did I miss it?
No. Went to the Jury today.
@Sighlass
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He does. He has relatives in Kenosha. And considering that Kenosha sits right on the Illinois border...crossing state lines isn't even a thing for the people living in that area.
He did not get the firearm from a relative. He had a friend buy the firearm for him because he couldn't. He was a 17yo Illinois resident. It was a straw purchase and that is a federal felony. Black loaning the firearm to Rittenhouse who is a minor is a felony.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1460388451963088901
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He did not get the firearm from a relative. He had a friend buy the firearm for him because he couldn't. He was a 17yo Illinois resident. It was a straw purchase and that is a federal felony. Black loaning the firearm to Rittenhouse who is a minor is a felony.
Don't we all just love the smell of desperation? But ... but ... ILLEGAL ... but ... but ... NO!! ILLEGAL!! ILLEGAL I SAY!!
Even though common knowledge and plain writing says the opposite.
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White House Condemns ‘Vigilantes’ as Kyle Rittenhouse Trial Wraps Up
The White House on Monday condemned “vigilantes” armed with “assault weapons” as the Kyle Rittenhouse trial wrapped up in Wisconsin.
Charlie Spiering15 Nov 2021, 12:03 PM PST
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/11/15/white-house-condemns-vigilantes-as-kyle-rittenhouse-trial-wraps-up/
A group of counter protesters armed with AR-15s and other firearms kept any intent to damage property at bay in our town, and the same thing was repeated across Western North Dakota. No violence, no interference with people speechifying and having their say, but not one widow broken, not one store looted, and no cars burned. The counter protest was carried out in a parking lot across the street, with the full knowledge and obvious support of the police.
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He did not get the firearm from a relative. He had a friend buy the firearm for him because he couldn't. He was a 17yo Illinois resident. It was a straw purchase and that is a federal felony. Black loaning the firearm to Rittenhouse who is a minor is a felony.
Nope. not seeing that. Where in Wisconsin law does it state that any young hunter, for instance, must be loaned the use of a firearm by a relative? Hunters as young as 12 take to the field with Hunter Safety, mentored by family and friends alike. They are too young to purchase a firearm, but not too young to possess one. It is only a straw purchase if the recipient takes ownership, not just temporary possession (AKA a "loan"), and if the recipient gave the money to the purchaser to acquire the firearm or something in trade for the firearm.
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Rittenhouse jury to begin deliberating Tuesday morning
By Harper Neidig - 11/15/21 07:20 PM EST
The jury in the Kyle Rittenhouse case is set to begin deliberations Tuesday morning on murder and other felony charges facing the 18-year-old for fatally shooting two protesters and wounding a third last year.
Jurors heard closing arguments on Monday after a controversial two-week trial that garnered national attention.
In addition to the two murder charges, the jury is being asked to decide whether Rittenhouse is guilty of one count of attempted murder and two counts of recklessly endangering safety.
There's no dispute in the case over whether Rittenhouse committed the shootings, but it will be up to the jury to decide whether they were justified acts of self-defense.
Prosecutors closed their arguments on Monday, saying that Rittenhouse, who was 17 at the time, provoked the protesters who were demonstrating against police brutality after a police officer in Kenosha, Wis., shot Jacob Blake, a Black man, seven times.
"You cannot claim self-defense against a danger you create," Thomas Binger, an assistant district attorney in Kenosha County, told the jurors. "That's critical right here. If you're the one who's threatening others, you lose the right to claim self-defense."
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https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/581658-rittenhouse-jury-to-begin-deliberating-tuesday-morning
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Cori Bush's Latest Kyle Rittenhouse Rant Is Not Only Mind-Numbingly Stupid, It's Also Incredibly Dangerous
By Bonchie | Nov 15, 2021 7:30 PM Et
In a House of Representatives full of radical imbeciles lacking any serious intellectual capacity, Cori Bush manages to tower above the rest in sheer incapability. That’s no easy feat given the stiff competition apparent in the Democrat Party. The self-evident communist has exposed herself with one irrational rant after another since taking office.
There was the time she trashed a police officer for shooting a girl who was in the process of stabbing another girl. And who could forget the time she defended defunding the police by citing all the security she has to have for herself? Or the time she promoted a scam artist on CNN while demanding an unconstitutional eviction moratorium? I could keep going, but you get the idea.
But with someone like Bush, you can always count on her one-upping herself. That happened today when she delivered yet another ridiculous rant about Kyle Rittenhouse, the teen currently on trial for defending himself during the Kenosha riots.
So without further ado, I present to you things that absolutely did not happen, by Cori Bush.
https://twitter.com/CoriBush/status/1460335492415819786
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https://redstate.com/bonchie/2021/11/15/cori-bushs-latest-kyle-rittenhouse-rant-is-not-only-mind-numbingly-stupid-its-also-incredibly-dangerous-n476408
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Prosecutor in Rittenhouse Trial Is Immediately Debunked After Making Wild ‘Heroic’ BLM Protesters Claim
By Sister Toldjah | Nov 15, 2021 6:15 PM ET
Closing arguments are being made today in the Kyle Rittenhouse trial as the jury prepares to begin their deliberations on what was presented over the last two weeks by both sides in the courtroom.
As we previously reported, the prosecution is making some pretty wild, demonstrably false statements in their closing argument, including the preposterous suggestion that once you’re carrying a gun you no longer have a right to claim self-defense.
My colleague Nick Arama correctly pointed out that what Assistant D.A. Thomas Binger said “is just flat-out wrong under the law. If it were true, then you could never have a self-defense case, no one who has a gun could ever claim self-defense. And perhaps that’s the aim here — to impugn the right to self-defense with a gun in general. Binger also told them you can’t claim self-defense if the person is unarmed. That’s also untrue.”
But something else Binger said today raised a lot of eyebrows, specifically as it related to proclaiming the Kenosha rioters including the mobs that ran after Rittenhouse as a “crowd full of heroes.” Watch:
https://twitter.com/greg_price11/status/1460329580942745603
https://redstate.com/sister-toldjah/2021/11/15/prosecutor-in-rittenhouse-trial-is-immediately-debunked-after-making-wild-heroic-blm-protesters-claim-n476278
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So without further ado, I present to you things that absolutely did not happen, by Cori Bush.
https://twitter.com/CoriBush/status/1460335492415819786 (https://twitter.com/CoriBush/status/1460335492415819786)
So, how many of 'your people' as you say, were shot and killed? You had White Supremacists hiding in the bush shooting at you. These are obviously highly trained marksmen. How many did they shoot? Who was injured? (other than the obvious White people; who deserved it anyway)
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Rittenhouse Trial: Defense Delivers Disappointingly Weak Closing Argument
Legal Insurrection by Andrew Branca Monday, November 15, 2021 at 09:35pm
https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/11/rittenhouse-trial-defense-delivers-a-disappointingly-weak-closing-argument/#respond (https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/11/rittenhouse-trial-defense-delivers-a-disappointingly-weak-closing-argument/#respond)
Rittenhouse deserved a great deal more than Attorney Mark Richards delivered.
The closing statements are now done in the Rittenhouse trial, and the jury will now begin deliberations—although not until tomorrow morning. That means, of course, that we’ll be launching or VERDICT WATCH blog post in the morning at Legal Insurrection, so keep your eyes there for breaking news on a verdict.
And with that, let’s dive into the unpleasant task of noting the poor closing argument presented by the defense in this case.
Defense Delivers Disappointingly Weak Closing Argument
This is an unpleasant task because on the legal merits Kyle Rittenhouse ought to be acquitted by a unanimous jury on every one of the five felony accounts against him, with the State having failed to prove provocation beyond a reasonable doubt and having failed to have disproven self-defense beyond a reasonable doubt.
And that may still happen. I hope it does. He deserves those acquittals.
That said, I’m well aware that sometimes defendants who deserve acquittal end up getting convicted, regardless. There might be many reasons that could occur. One of those reasons is a weak legal defense, and particularly a weak defense in the critical closing argument, the last opportunity the defense team has to plead their narrative of innocence to the jury.
Poor Choice of Tone if Goal is Persuasion of Jurors to Defense Narrative
Perhaps the single biggest weakness I saw in the defense closing argument was apparent from the first moments of Attorney Mark Richard’s speaking to the jury, and which I suppose was predictable by his generally gruff manner—and why I would have preferred to have Attorney Core Chirafisi do the defense closing argument.
And that was the angry and personal tone Richards took to the prosecution.
Let me make clear, there’s no question to my mind that the prosecution, in this case, has earned every bit of that anger. The State has played fast and loose with both the facts and law in this case, trying to gin up a conviction from crumbs left on the bakery floor, all with the goal of putting Kyle Rittenhouse into a cage for the rest of his life by legal means not soundly based on facts and law.
Drive a Narrative of Innocence Consistent with, not Contrary to, the Jurors’ Sympathies
If this jury convicts on any of these charges—and they well might—it will be because the prosecution has been successful in fostering some degree of sympathy among the jurors for the people killed, maimed, and purportedly endangered at the hands of Kyle Rittenhouse.
To put it another way, unless that’s happened an acquittal is already secured, and the defense need not engage in the fire-and-brimstone display at all. But we can’t know that, of course, so we must assume that some degree of sympathy for the “victims” has been successfully fostered by the prosecution.
If that’s so, you don’t make ground with those jurors in particular by shouting your outrage about those horrible people. Instead, you just come across as unsympathetic—which, of course, reflects on your client.
Failure to Step Methodically Through the Elements of Self-Defense
My next point may be more a reflection of my own temperament, and is perhaps just a personal or professional preference on my part—but I would have been far more detailed and specific in stepping through the elements of self-defense as applied to each of these felony charges.
For each count, I would have made clear in plain language exactly what circumstances would lead Kyle to believe he was facing an unlawful forcible attack (Innocence), that the harm feared from that attack was either already being inflicted or apparently immediately about to occur (Imminence), how the nature of the threat presented an apparent risk of death or serious bodily injury (Proportionality), and how all of this was not just genuinely believed but objective reasonable (Reasonableness).
More at link.
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He did not get the firearm from a relative. He had a friend buy the firearm for him because he couldn't. He was a 17yo Illinois resident. It was a straw purchase and that is a federal felony. Black loaning the firearm to Rittenhouse who is a minor is a felony.
Is your last name Binger per chance?
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There is no right to self-defense if you provoke. This means he'll be found guilty of homicide.
@Right_in_Virginia
*I* say the crowd that chased them down,throwing rocks and trying to beat his brains in with skateboards were the ones doing the provoking.
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Judge had done a pretty good job of slapping prosectution down for their silly bull shit. Can't beleive he is allowing them to stake the kid's freedom on what appears to be a 768K pixel digitial camera shot at 500 feet away.
@catfish1957
Can you say "Grounds for appeal!"?
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@Right_in_Virginia
*I* say the crowd that chased them down,throwing rocks and trying to beat his brains in with skateboards were the ones doing the provoking.
I think the defense in its closing did quite a good job blowing holes in the "provoke" charge @sneakypete happy77
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@DB
It will be recharged. He was in illegal possesion. The Wisconsin state law and Illinois state law both say so. Thete was absolutely no way for Rittenhouse to legally obtain and possess any firearm. He was a 17yo Illinois resident that had someone else by the firearm for him. Yes the judge is an idiot that doesn't know his own laws. The judge is also partisan on this case. The prosecution is one of the biggest idiots out there l. From the beginning of the case he has overcharged from the beginning. Rittenhouse should be prosecuted by the DOJ for violating federal firearms laws as well as Wisconsin state firearms laws.
@Killer Clouds
Wrong a couple of ways.
1: Nobody bought the gun for him. His father legally owned the rifle,and legally allowed his son to use it.
2:His father is a resident of that city.
3:No city,state,or federal firearms laws were broken by him being in possession of the weapon.
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I guess in Binger's mind (what there is of it), every time I go to the store, church, the library or anywhere else with a 9mm in my purse, I'm just asking for it - and have no right to defend myself when the SHTF. Gunman at Kroger or at the bank, aiming directly at me? I'll just move into a position where he gets a clearer shot, I guess. I asked for it.
Got it.
What a maroon.
@mountaineer
Yeah,that's what *I* would do.
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He did not get the firearm from a relative. He had a friend buy the firearm for him because he couldn't. He was a 17yo Illinois resident. It was a straw purchase and that is a federal felony. Black loaning the firearm to Rittenhouse who is a minor is a felony.
You couldn’t be more wrong and understand the statue less if you tried.
Where are you getting your info from…Shannon Watts?
You really really need to sit this one out.
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It's in the statute you posted.
What part of this do you not get?
(c) This section applies only to a person under 18 years of age who possesses or is armed with a rifle or a shotgun if the person is in violation of s. 941.28 or is not in compliance with ss. 29.304 and 29.593. This section applies only to an adult who transfers a firearm to a person under 18 years of age if the person under 18 years of age is not in compliance with ss. 29.304 and 29.593 or to an adult who is in violation of s. 941.28.
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You couldn’t be more wrong and understand the statue less if you tried.
Where are you getting your info from…Shannon Watts?
You really really need to sit this one out.
I pointed out twice, now, that there would be no youth hunting programs anywhere if someone under 18 could not possess a firearm. They cannot legally purchase one, but they can possess one.
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I pointed out twice, now, that there would be no youth hunting programs anywhere if someone under 18 could not possess a firearm. They cannot legally purchase one, but they can possess one.
I got my first shotgun when I was 8th birthday.
Just sayin...
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There is no right to self-defense if you provoke. This means he'll be found guilty of homicide.
That's the false narrative being presented by the left and by the prosecutor. Rittenhouse didn't provoke anything.
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I pointed out twice, now, that there would be no youth hunting programs anywhere if someone under 18 could not possess a firearm.
Nor would schools provide excused absences for students to go hunting during hunting season. And the State wouldn't be selling gun hunting licenses for people under 18 either.
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Rittenhouse and his attorneys must be concerned if the jury has the courage to acquit. Much like that night in Kenosha, the mob can frighten a lot of people.
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@Right_in_Virginia
*I* say the crowd that chased them down,throwing rocks and trying to beat his brains in with skateboards were the ones doing the provoking.
There was testimony Rosenbaum threatened to kill Rittenhouse. Then there's the video showing Rosenbaum chase him, the kid fleeing before turning and shooting him.
The fact this farce has gone this far is the real tragedy. The prosecution has succeeded in getting everyone wrapped around the axle on this thing. Hopefully the jury sees clearly.
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There was testimony Rosenbaum threatened to kill Rittenhouse. Then there's the video showing Rosenbaum chase him, the kid fleeing before turning and shooting him.
The fact this farce has gone this far is the real tragedy. The prosecution has succeeded in getting everyone wrapped around the axle on this thing. Hopefully the jury sees clearly.
I agree @skeeter This case should never have made it to a courtroom, but it did, and the Judge should have dismissed with prejudice immediately.
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Democrat Rep. Cori Bush: If Kyle Rittenhouse Acquitted, White Supremacists ‘Can Shoot at Us’
Rep. Cori Bush (D-MO) believes that if 18-year-old Kyle Rittenhouse gets acquitted on the grounds of self-defense, white supremacists will be emboldened to shoot at Black Lives Matter protesters.
Paul Bois15 Nov 2021, 10:47 PM PST
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/11/15/democrat-rep-cori-bush-kyle-rittenhouse-acquitted-white-supremacists-can-shoot-us/
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I prayed for this young man and the jury last night. :0001:
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WATCH: Prosecutor Says Rittenhouse Should Have Let Mob Attack Him Because ‘Everybody Takes a Beating Sometimes’
“Everybody takes a beating sometimes, right? … That doesn’t mean you get to start plugging people with your full metal jacket AR-15 rounds.”
Joel B. Pollak15 Nov 2021, 5:55 PM PST
https://www.breitbart.com/2nd-amendment/2021/11/15/watch-prosecutor-says-rittenhouse-should-have-let-mob-attack-him-because-everybody-takes-a-beating-sometimes/
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I got my first shotgun when I was 8th birthday.
Just sayin...
888high58888
I was hunting ducks and whitetails (shotgun hunting where I grew up, and then the .410 rifled slug was legal) at the ripe old age of 9.
Oddly enough, after I bagged my first whitetail at 11, the State (MD), in its infinite wisdom, declared the .410 was not enough shotgun to kill a deer. So I moved up to a 20ga...
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Whatever happens, I hope that young man eventually makes it into the military.
We need smart and dedicated people like that to defend this country.
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I got my first shotgun when I was 8th birthday.
Just sayin...
@txradioguy
Same here. Kept both it and the shells for it in my room with me.
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I prayed for this young man and the jury last night. :0001:
The prayers of a righteous mountain woman avail much.
I kept coming back to the story of Joseph. But the point is that G-d will be victorious in the end.
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WATCH: Prosecutor Says Rittenhouse Should Have Let Mob Attack Him Because ‘Everybody Takes a Beating Sometimes’
“Everybody takes a beating sometimes, right? … That doesn’t mean you get to start plugging people with your full metal jacket AR-15 rounds.”
Joel B. Pollak15 Nov 2021, 5:55 PM PST
https://www.breitbart.com/2nd-amendment/2021/11/15/watch-prosecutor-says-rittenhouse-should-have-let-mob-attack-him-because-everybody-takes-a-beating-sometimes/
Note, if the rounds had been soft point or hollow point bullets, the Prosecution probably would have been howling about "cop killer bullets".
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Kurt Schlichter
@KurtSchlichter
Kyle capped a pedo. No wonder @ProjectLincoln hates him.
10:16 PM · Nov 15, 2021
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There was testimony Rosenbaum threatened to kill Rittenhouse. Then there's the video showing Rosenbaum chase him, the kid fleeing before turning and shooting him.
The fact this farce has gone this far is the real tragedy. The prosecution has succeeded in getting everyone wrapped around the axle on this thing. Hopefully the jury sees clearly.
Heard this morning that the DA is a really good litigator who's star is on the rise...and that he knew this was a loser of a case from the prosecutor perspective and that's why he kicked it over to Binger and fat guy caught on camera face palming.
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Rittenhouse Prosecution's Rebuttal Argument Was So Bad It Made Jaws Drop
https://redstate.com/nick-arama/2021/11/16/rittenhouse-prosecutions-rebuttal-argument-was-so-bad-it-made-jaws-drop-n476507
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Kurt Schlichter
@KurtSchlichter
Kyle capped a pedo. No wonder @ProjectLincoln hates him.
10:16 PM · Nov 15, 2021
:silly: It's funny cause it's true!
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There was testimony Rosenbaum threatened to kill Rittenhouse. Then there's the video showing Rosenbaum chase him, the kid fleeing before turning and shooting him.
The fact this farce has gone this far is the real tragedy. The prosecution has succeeded in getting everyone wrapped around the axle on this thing. Hopefully the jury sees clearly.
@skeeter
I think that prosecutor has just killed his own legal as well as political career. He is NEVER going to land in the big easy money of his dreams. IF he is lucky,the Dims will allow him to remain a DA in a nothing,nowhere town. IF he loses big and the RTCABA ends up being strengthened by this,which I see as likely,he will be damn lucky to still be a DA.
NOBODY has ever called the left faithful or grateful for effort. You either advance the cause,or you are road kill.
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@skeeter
I think that prosecutor has just killed his own legal as well as political career. He is NEVER going to land in the big easy money of his dreams. IF he is lucky,the Dims will allow him to remain a DA in a nothing,nowhere town. IF he loses big and the RTCABA ends up being strengthened by this,which I see as likely,he will be damn lucky to still be a DA.
NOBODY has ever called the left faithful or grateful for effort. You either advance the cause,or you are road kill.
I hope you're right, @sneakypete. I worry cause we're in a post-common sense era.
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The usual loonies weigh in:
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McKelvey was a rising star in Portland radical "activism" until it was revealed in 2019 he was arrested on suspicion of kidnapping and strangling an underage girl back in 2011.
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The usual loonies weigh in:
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McKelvey was a rising star in Portland radical "activism" until it was revealed in 2019 he was arrested on suspicion of kidnapping and strangling an underage girl back in 2011.
Give employees of one skin tone the day off? That's racist!
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Rittenhouse Trial: Big Wins for Defense on Jury Instructions, State Leads with Provocation
Legal Insurrection by Andrew Branca Monday, November 15, 2021 at 02:26pm
https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/11/rittenhouse-trial-big-wins-for-defense-on-jury-instructions-state-leads-with-provocation/ (https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/11/rittenhouse-trial-big-wins-for-defense-on-jury-instructions-state-leads-with-provocation/)
Worth remembering ADA Binger mentioned provocation zero times in opening statement
The defense came away with three big wins as a result of these discussions, and one that did not go their way.
One win was the dismissal of the gun possession charge—finally! My first analysis of this gun possession charge that concluded it ought to be dismissed as a matter of law, and never be considered by a jury, was posted way back on September 7, 2020, more than 14 months ago. It was nice to see Judge Schroeder finally see the wisdom of my position. So, Count 6, the gun possession charge, has been discarded.
A second win, with respect to the State’s argument of provocation, the State will not be permitted to claim as fact that Kyle pointed his rifle at the Ziminski’s. This is important for the defense, because the purported provocation of pointing the rifle at the Ziminski’s, which if believed would strip Kyle of self-defense completely, requires an unlawful act on his part that provoked the Rosenbaum attack.
The State wants to claim that unlawful act was Kyle pointing the gun at the Ziminski’s—but there’s no actual evidence of this. There’s no photo or testimony that Kyle pointed his rifle at the Ziminski’s. Even the “enhanced” drone video left for the prosecution by the evidence fairy does not have the Ziminski’s in frame when Kyle is supposedly pointing his rifle.
So, the State will only be permitted to argue that Kyle pointed his rifle in some general direction, that different video shows the Ziminski’s in that general area, and therefore the jury should infer that Kyle was pointing his rifle at the Ziminski’s.
If the jury disbelieves any part of that, there was no unlawful act that provoked the Rosenbaum charge, and therefore no provocation that strips Kyle of self-defense.
A third win, with respect to Count 2, the reckless endangerment of McGinnis, the judge agreed to the suggestion by defense attorney Chirafisi that he would instruct the jury that if Kyle’s use of force with respect to Rosenbaum was lawful self-defense, then it was not conduct that was reckless with respect to McGinnis—so, if shooting Rosenbaum was lawful self-defense, there also was no reckless endangerment of McGinnis. Self-defense on Count 1 would also clear away Count 2.
One point that did not go the way of the defense was their request for a jury instruction that the jury ought not convict Kyle solely on the drone video footage. The judge declined that instruction, saying it’s up to the jury to weigh the evidence.
These discussions were followed by the actual instruction of the jury in the courtroom, and this was among the most confusing and disjointed instructions of a jury I’ve ever seen. At one point, in fact, the judge sent the jury out of the courtroom, as he recognized just what a mess the process had become.
Here the defense actually acquired a fourth big win on the jury instructions.
The issue had been that the instructions as provided in standardized form might have misled the jury into believing that even if they found the defendant not guilty of a primary criminal charge on the grounds of self-defense, that they then should nevertheless go on to consider if he’s guilty of one of the lesser included charges.
This is not how it works. If the defendant is clear of the primary charge on the basis of self-defense, his conduct was legally justified, and cannot be the basis for a conviction on a lesser included charge.
Ultimately, Judge Schroeder decided that he would essentially just tell the jury that if they believed the defendant’s conduct was self-defense, they were done—that was a not guilty verdict on that charge, and they need not consider either the primary charge nor any lesser included charges in that count.
That’s what the jury SHOULD have been instructed to do-consider self-defense first. If they do that, and find self-defense, they’ve made their deliberations a heck of a lot more efficient, because they’ll never have to consider the corresponding criminal charge of its lesser includeds at all.
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Jury has retired to decide the verdict. Keep your fingers crossed. :0001:
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Rekieta Law livestream for today, lawyers discussing the case while waiting for the verdict to come back.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whA5p5qmJrc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whA5p5qmJrc)
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Jury has retired to decide the verdict. Keep your fingers crossed. :0001:
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So now the waiting commences. Anyone want to hazard a guess on how long it will take to hear from the jury? And will the first time be a request for clarification, a statement that the jury is deadlocked, or a result (either acquittal or conviction)?
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https://twitter.com/sierragillespie/status/1460627650087731208
https://twitter.com/sierragillespie/status/1460628765432852480
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I hope my fellow Cheeseheads do the right thing for this young man and acquit him on all counts.
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I hope my fellow Cheeseheads do the right thing for this young man and acquit him on all counts.
:thumbsup:
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I hope my fellow Cheeseheads do the right thing for this young man and acquit him on all counts.
I hope so as well, as the consequences for all of us are dire if they do not.
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I was wondering what was the scoop with the request for a mistrial with prejudice but apparently it is still pending as of the most recent article I could find (which was dated yesterday). Weird.
Motion for mistrial with prejudice still on the table in Rittenhouse trial
Posted: Nov 15, 2021 5:42 PM CST
KENOSHA, Wis. (CBS 58) -- In the trial of Kyle Rittenhouse, the judge has yet to issue a ruling on the motion for mistrial with prejudice.
The defense filed the motion a week ago, and Judge Bruce Schroeder said he would contemplate it. He did not issue a ruling on Monday, Nov. 15, the day attorneys on both sides wrapped up closing arguments.
[...]
Legal expert Julius Kim said he would anticipate a decision from the judge before the jury is given the case, but that's not always the case.
"I have heard of situations before where judges have waited until a verdict before a ruling on something like that. It's sounds crazy. But we don't know exactly what's going to happen here," Kim said.
https://www.cbs58.com/news/motion-for-mistrial-with-prejudice-still-on-the-table-in-rittenhouse-trial (https://www.cbs58.com/news/motion-for-mistrial-with-prejudice-still-on-the-table-in-rittenhouse-trial)
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I was wondering what was the scoop with the request for a mistrial with prejudice but apparently it is still pending as of the most recent article I could find (which was dated yesterday). Weird.
Might be one of those things the judge is waiting to rule on depending on what shakes out with the jury deliberations.
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Might be one of those things the judge is waiting to rule on depending on what shakes out with the jury deliberations.
You're probably right. But if I were a jury member who had to put my life on hold to sit through another week of testimony and work through deliberations - all while there were folks out there trying to doxx me - I'd probably be really mad if the judge waited until after the fact to decide to grant it.
I guess we'll see how it shakes out.
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Rittenhouse Trial: Defense Delivers Disappointingly Weak Closing Argument
Legal Insurrection by Andrew Branca Monday, November 15, 2021 at 09:35pm
Personally, I wasn't thrilled with the delivery, but the substance was solid and strong. I also think the rebuttal by Lunchbox was so crazy he ended up proving self defense.
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Personally, I wasn't thrilled with the delivery, but the substance was solid and strong. I also think the rebuttal by Lunchbox was so crazy he ended up proving self defense.
I wonder if they worked with the "jury specialist" on the tone for the closing arguments, or was that all on Richards?
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Personally, I wasn't thrilled with the delivery, but the substance was solid and strong. I also think the rebuttal by Lunchbox was so crazy he ended up proving self defense.
"He lied to save his own skin" and "he was too cowardly to use his fists, he had to use his gun" aren't good arguments against a self defense defense.
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What part of this do you not get?
(c) This section applies only to a person under 18 years of age who possesses or is armed with a rifle or a shotgun if the person is in violation of s. 941.28 or is not in compliance with ss. 29.304 and 29.593. This section applies only to an adult who transfers a firearm to a person under 18 years of age if the person under 18 years of age is not in compliance with ss. 29.304 and 29.593 or to an adult who is in violation of s. 941.28.
What part do you not get that Rittenhouse was not in compliance with 29.304 and 29.593?
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@Killer Clouds
Wrong a couple of ways.
1: Nobody bought the gun for him. His father legally owned the rifle,and legally allowed his son to use it.
2:His father is a resident of that city.
3:No city,state,or federal firearms laws were broken by him being in possession of the weapon.
@sneakypete
Sorry you are wrong. Rittenhouse already admitted he got the firearm from Black. Black already admitted that Rittenhouse gave him the money to by the firearm for him the previous summer. His father does not live in Wisconsin and his father could not have legally loaned the firearm to Rittenhouse if he did. Rittenhouse didn't have the required training and certifications required by Wisconsin law.
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https://twitter.com/chanleycourttv/status/1460649162161152000?s=21
https://mobile.twitter.com/ChanleyCourtTV/status/1460658034045239296
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What part do you not get that Rittenhouse was not in compliance with 29.304 and 29.593?
In legalese transfer means buy when it comes to weapons. Rittenhouse didn't buy the weapon.
It's perfectly legal for him to put his hands on it or have someone give it to him as a gift.
Stop being so obtuse.
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@sneakypete
Sorry you are wrong. Rittenhouse already admitted he got the firearm from Black. Black already admitted that Rittenhouse gave him the money to by the firearm for him the previous summer. His father does not live in Wisconsin and his father could not have legally loaned the firearm to Rittenhouse if he did. Rittenhouse didn't have the required training and certifications required by Wisconsin law.
Where in the testimony was that said that Rittenhouse gave the money to someone to buy it for him?
Link please.
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Just saw this on Rekieta law. The software used for hocus pocus video has a advisement on its webpage that is not to be used for evidentiary purposes.
https://blog.ampedsoftware.com/2021/10/05/can-ai-be-used-for-forensics-and-investigations/
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@sneakypete
Sorry you are wrong. Rittenhouse already admitted he got the firearm from Black. Black already admitted that Rittenhouse gave him the money to by the firearm for him the previous summer. His father does not live in Wisconsin and his father could not have legally loaned the firearm to Rittenhouse if he did. Rittenhouse didn't have the required training and certifications required by Wisconsin law.
It’s only a straw purchase if they give the money to someone and that person buys it and hands it over to them to take and do as they please. Black kept physical possession of the firearm and only allowed Kyle to use it, but it always came back to Black’s possession. They only have to have certification/training if they are under 16 and/or hunting.
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"He lied to save his own skin" and "he was too cowardly to use his fists, he had to use his gun" aren't good arguments against a self defense defense.
I couldn't believe what I was hearing ... he should have just taken the beatings. :whistle:
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I couldn't what I was hearing ... he should have just taken the beatings. :whistle:
My jaw dropped! I heard that what he said was a quote from Goodfellows. I think he was trying to make a cool hocus pocus out of focus line for the jury to remember from the states side, but it just turned into a cringy moment.
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https://twitter.com/chanleycourttv/status/1460649162161152000?s=21
https://mobile.twitter.com/ChanleyCourtTV/status/1460658034045239296
My understanding of the judge's instructions on self-defense included something along this line: If you find self-defense, the ballgame's over.
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My understanding of the judge's instructions on self-defense included something along this line: If you find self-defense, the ballgame's over.
I bet the majority are going for self defense and they have a few idiots holding on to Bingers interpretation of self defense law.
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My understanding of the judge's instructions on self-defense included something along this line: If you find self-defense, the ballgame's over.
IIRC that applies to each murder count. Because they have to vote on each count individually.
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This can be heard inside the courthouse. Why isn't this jury tampering?
https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1460665480264486920
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https://mobile.twitter.com/ColumbiaBugle/status/1460658239436115978
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IIRC that applies to each murder count. Because they have to vote on each count individually.
I got the opposite impression... but, I could be wrong.
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I was wondering what was the scoop with the request for a mistrial with prejudice but apparently it is still pending as of the most recent article I could find (which was dated yesterday). Weird.
I think the judge is hoping the jury does the right thing, but is withholding the decision in case they don’t.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/ColumbiaBugle/status/1460633909113274374
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https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1460676335161036802
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I think the judge is hoping the jury does the right thing, but is withholding the decision in case they don’t.
Not sure of WI law, but I wonder if he couldn't just have directed the verdict - or dismissed for failure to establish a prima facie case.
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@sneakypete
Sorry you are wrong. Rittenhouse already admitted he got the firearm from Black. Black already admitted that Rittenhouse gave him the money to by the firearm for him the previous summer. His father does not live in Wisconsin and his father could not have legally loaned the firearm to Rittenhouse if he did. Rittenhouse didn't have the required training and certifications required by Wisconsin law.
A purely academic discussion since the Judge threw that charge out. Continuing to beat this dead horse is trolling. 11513
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I couldn't believe what I was hearing ... he should have just taken the beatings. :whistle:
Exactly the argument the radical leftists used on George Zimmerman.
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My jaw dropped! I heard that what he said was a quote from Goodfellows. I think he was trying to make a cool hocus pocus out of focus line for the jury to remember from the states side, but it just turned into a cringy moment.
It's a song, if you like yodeling.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MV0F_XiR48Q
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I’m not on top of the details. When did the jury receive this? Thanks.
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I’m not on top of the details. When did the jury receive this? Thanks.
Instructions were given yesterday afternoon, and they began their deliberations this morning at 9am CST.
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I wonder if they worked with the "jury specialist" on the tone for the closing arguments, or was that all on Richards?
I know they hired one @Polly Ticks and she was there every day ..... BTW, she was used to help pick the OJ Simpson jury.
Here;'s more information on her ...
https://lawandcrime.com/live-trials/live-trials-current/kyle-rittenhouse/woman-seen-comforting-kyle-rittenhouses-mom-in-court-is-actually-a-consultant-who-selected-perfect-juror-for-o-j-simpson-trial/
https://nypost.com/2021/11/11/o-j-simpson-jury-consultant-comforts-kyle-rittenhouses-mom/
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It's a song, if you like yodeling.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MV0F_XiR48Q
I was really into the intro, but then the yodeling started! That was a true cringe moment.
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I know they hired one @Polly Ticks and she was there every day ..... BTW, she was used to help pick the OJ Simpson jury.
Here;'s more information on her ...
https://lawandcrime.com/live-trials/live-trials-current/kyle-rittenhouse/woman-seen-comforting-kyle-rittenhouses-mom-in-court-is-actually-a-consultant-who-selected-perfect-juror-for-o-j-simpson-trial/
https://nypost.com/2021/11/11/o-j-simpson-jury-consultant-comforts-kyle-rittenhouses-mom/
I guess Jason Bull wasn't available. . .
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Deneen Smith
@deneenknews
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While jury is deliberating Judge Schroeder is continuing to handle other cases on his calendar. During a break he answered a question from media, saying he would not put a time limit on jurors to deliberate for the day, saying they are in the driver’s seat
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I know they hired one @Polly Ticks and she was there every day ..... BTW, she was used to help pick the OJ Simpson jury.
Here;'s more information on her ...
https://lawandcrime.com/live-trials/live-trials-current/kyle-rittenhouse/woman-seen-comforting-kyle-rittenhouses-mom-in-court-is-actually-a-consultant-who-selected-perfect-juror-for-o-j-simpson-trial/
https://nypost.com/2021/11/11/o-j-simpson-jury-consultant-comforts-kyle-rittenhouses-mom/
Yes, that's the woman and the article that I read earlier, thanks @Right_in_Virginia . That's why I was wondering if they consulted her for how to present the closing arguments, since she's apparently "the jury whisperer".
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https://twitter.com/KristenBarbar/status/1460678091483848706
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The waiting is the worst part.
I can't imagine what Rittenhouse is feeling right now.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/1460609013976997891
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Yes, that's the woman and the article that I read earlier, thanks @Right_in_Virginia . That's why I was wondering if they consulted her for how to present the closing arguments, since she's apparently "the jury whisperer".
I'd bet money they did .... I think the question that will be answered in the first book on this trial is whether or not they listened to her.
@Polly Ticks
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https://mobile.twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/1460609013976997891
If they were botched, then that can be remedied on appeal. Courts of appeal have a long history of dealing with botched trial-court jury instructions.
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Instructions requested by the jury:
Pages 1 --- 4
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Instructions requested by the jury:
Pages 1 --- 4
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Interesting, particularly the bits about provocation. The "wisdom" being thrown around earlier was that provocation cuts off the right of self-defense; however, the instructions make clear that even if a person provokes an attack, that person again has the right to use force in self-defense, but only if he has no avenue of retreat.
That is rather different from saying that provocation cuts off the right to self-defense simpliciter.
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Instructions: Pages 5 & 6
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Source: Jiovanni Lieggi @lieggiji
Multi-media reporter; Fox News, Sacramento
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https://twitter.com/RebsBrannon/status/1460670377353519106
"Heroes"?? "Beautiful rising"???
*****rollingeyes*****
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https://twitter.com/RebsBrannon/status/1460670377353519106
"Heroes"?? "Beautiful rising"???
*****rollingeyes*****
Just like “the summer of love” in the autonomous zone
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https://twitter.com/RebsBrannon/status/1460670377353519106
"Heroes"?? "Beautiful rising"???
*****rollingeyes*****
This am Bizarro world - everything am backwards here
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I haven't followed this story at all .... so ... I'm just waiting for the outcome and what transpires afterwards.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/meganhawkinsabc/status/1460723781773709324
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https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1460735255342690311
https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1460736388316418051
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Left wing Antifa mob needs to be swept up and disposed of. Domestic terrorism should not be allowed in this country under any circumstance.
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https://twitter.com/MattWalshBlog/status/1460737571093372937
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TheQuartering
@TheQuartering
If the reports are true, of 2 jurors afraid to acquit Kyle Rittenhouse over doxxing threats and potential harassment this is of grave concern.
Not that half the country will care..
5:42 PM · Nov 16, 2021
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TheQuartering
@TheQuartering
If the reports are true, of 2 jurors afraid to acquit Kyle Rittenhouse over doxxing threats and potential harassment this is of grave concern.
Not that half the country will care..
5:42 PM · Nov 16, 2021
:yowsa: Very grave concern!
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TheQuartering
@TheQuartering
If the reports are true, of 2 jurors afraid to acquit Kyle Rittenhouse over doxxing threats and potential harassment this is of grave concern.
Not that half the country will care..
5:42 PM · Nov 16, 2021
Living proof our criminal justice system has been hijacked by left wing BLM and Antifa terrorist. Of course Garland and Biden are probably egging them on.
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:yowsa: Very grave concern!
Sounds also like 10 brave souls who had the courage to do the right thing. Acquit.
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Living proof our criminal justice system has been hijacked by left wing BLM and Antifa terrorist. Of course Garland and Biden are probably egging them on.
Where is the FBI? At a school board meeting?
Jury intimidation is domestic terrorism.
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TheQuartering
@TheQuartering
If the reports are true, of 2 jurors afraid to acquit Kyle Rittenhouse over doxxing threats and potential harassment this is of grave concern.
Not that half the country will care..
5:42 PM · Nov 16, 2021
My last understanding (perhaps erroneous) was that alternate jurors are still available, and that the defense motion for a mistrial with prejudice is still before the judge.
I have no understanding of legal procedure; could jurors who openly identify fear of mob retribution be replaced even now by alternates? Or do these fears by jurors indicate that Rittenhouse cannot get a fair trial, and mistrial with prejudice is all the more fully justified?
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I've never heard of a federal marshal having access to the jury room in a state/county courthouse, let alone listening in on their conversations. Something hinky about this report. Having said that, I wouldn't be surprised if jurors were nervous about their safety, post-verdict.
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My last understanding (perhaps erroneous) was that alternate jurors are still available, and that the defense motion for a mistrial with prejudice is still before the judge.
I have no understanding of legal procedure; could jurors who openly identify fear of mob retribution be replaced even now by alternates? Or do these fears by jurors indicate that Rittenhouse cannot get a fair trial, and mistrial with prejudice is all the more fully justified?
IMHO what SHOULD have happened on the first day of the trial is dismissal of the case with prejudice citing prosecutorial misconduct and severe sanctions for the entire prosecution team. IF that is possible under Wisconsin law.
And if not then, during the prosecution's closing arguments for sure when the again tried to admit evidence already barred and lied about the law in several instances!
Edit to add: This fiasco never should have gotten to a courtroom to begin with.
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Jury has informed the judge that there will be no decision today. They will reconvene tomorrow morning.
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The two jurors holding things up should be replaced with alternates.
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My last understanding (perhaps erroneous) was that alternate jurors are still available, and that the defense motion for a mistrial with prejudice is still before the judge.
I have no understanding of legal procedure; could jurors who openly identify fear of mob retribution be replaced even now by alternates? Or do these fears by jurors indicate that Rittenhouse cannot get a fair trial, and mistrial with prejudice is all the more fully justified?
Could they request to be replaced with alternates if they are too afraid to make a decision?
I fear a hung jury..
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We slip closer to third world status every day. Corruption of the justice system is about as basic as it gets.
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We slip closer to third world status every day. Corruption of the justice system is about as basic as it gets.
That, and sham elections.
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Hope you don't mind...since the jury has it now. :shrug:
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Hope you don't mind...since the jury has it now. :shrug:
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Jury going home for the night, no verdict yet.
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Where is the FBI? At a school board meeting?
Jury intimidation is domestic terrorism.
The FBI has been thoroughly politicized, as have been most other Federal government agencies.
They serve the state, not the people.
If they still served the people, they would be busy arresting BLM thugs and their lackeys who are actively and intentionally intimidating the jurors in Wisconsin with threats of violence.
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@DCPatriot
Oh that is good...
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MSNBC’s Reid: Rittenhouse Trial Judge ‘Has Done Everything But Offer to Adopt Kyle’
MSNBC anchor Joy Reid said Tuesday on her show “The ReidOut” that Kenosha County Circuit Court Judge Bruce Schroeder’s behavior during the Kyle Rittenhouse murder trial shows he is clearly on the side of the defense.
https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2021/11/16/msnbcs-reid-rittenhouse-trial-judge-has-done-everything-but-offer-to-adopt-kyle/
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That, and sham elections.
:yowsa:
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What part do you not get that Rittenhouse was not in compliance with 29.304 and 29.593?
Clearly, you didn't bother reading 29.304 or 29.593 before posting.
29.304 Restrictions on hunting and use of firearms by persons under 16 years of age. (https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/statutes/statutes/29/iv/304)
Was Rittenhouse under the age of 16?
29.593 Requirement for certificate of accomplishment to obtain hunting approval. (https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/statutes/statutes/29/viii/593/1/a)
Was Rittenhouse seeking a certificate of accomplishment for securing a hunting permit?
Once again, you have simply made this up out of your own imagination. And once again, you come out looking like a complete fool. And a dishonest one at that. After getting called out on it, you double-down by doing it again.
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I was listening to a live stream of protesters outside Kenosha court house. They were chanting their usual no Justice, no peace chant. There was one about burning the courthouse down which sounded like a terrorist threat to me. Then they started the say their name chant and the crowd chanted Anthony and Jojo. At first I was like what? Those people have no respect for Joseph Rosenbaum. They reduced his name to Jojo so it would fit in their ridiculous chant. I’m not mad about it. It made me chuckle.
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I was listening to a live stream of protesters outside Kenosha court house. They were chanting their usual no Justice, no peace chant. There was one about burning the courthouse down which sounded like a terrorist threat to me. Then they started the say their name chant and the crowd chanted Anthony and Jojo. At first I was like what? Those people have no respect for Joseph Rosenbaum. They reduced his name to Jojo so it would fit in their ridiculous chant. I’m not mad about it. It made me chuckle.
Chances are that most of that crowd are imports from out of town. They always seem to make the best unbridled 'protesters", because they don't have to go home, face the neighbors and others in the community afterwards, and hear grandma chew their asses for being idiots.
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In legalese transfer means buy when it comes to weapons. Rittenhouse didn't buy the weapon.
It's perfectly legal for him to put his hands on it or have someone give it to him as a gift.
Stop being so obtuse.
It is not legal for someone other than a family member to give a minor a gift. Black purchased the firearm for Rittenhouse because he was prohibited from buying a firearm at the time. That is a straw purchase and it is a felony.
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It is not legal for someone other than a family member to give a minor a gift. Black purchased the firearm for Rittenhouse because he was prohibited from buying a firearm at the time. That is a straw purchase and it is a felony.
Really?
You have a statute, a regulation, a case holding, or anything other than your mere personal assertion, on that point?
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It’s only a straw purchase if they give the money to someone and that person buys it and hands it over to them to take and do as they please. Black kept physical possession of the firearm and only allowed Kyle to use it, but it always came back to Black’s possession. They only have to have certification/training if they are under 16 and/or hunting.
Every time Black gave him the firearm it was a felony. Rittenhouse had to be trained and certified for Black to give him the weapon. It doesn't matter if Black stored the weapon for Rittenhouse. He admitted that Rittenhouse gave him the money to buy the weapon for him.
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It is not legal for someone other than a family member to give a minor a gift.
False
Black purchased the firearm for Rittenhouse because he was prohibited from buying a firearm at the time. That is a straw purchase and it is a felony.
Do you have anything in any news report you can link to that backs up that assertion. So far you've been ling in wind but short on proof of what you're saying.
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Every time Black gave him the firearm it was a felony. Rittenhouse had to be trained and certified for Black to give him the weapon. It doesn't matter if Black stored the weapon for Rittenhouse. He admitted that Rittenhouse gave him the money to buy the weapon for him.
Again you're wrong. You haven't provided any factual evidence to back up your wild ass claims.
If you had any factual evidence you'd have posted it by now.
You haven's...so... :whistle:
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Really?
You have a statute, a regulation, a case holding, or anything other than your mere personal assertion, on that point?
@Kamaji I think that's a self answering question at this point.
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Where is the FBI? At a school board meeting?
Takes a lot of agents to follow all those Loudon County parents around 24/7
Jury intimidation is domestic terrorism.
Agreed. But see the thugs on the left have seen that juror intimidation worked in the Derek Chauvin case and because it worked there...they are hoping it works in this case too.
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@Kamaji I think that's a self answering question at this point.
@txradioguy
Agreed!
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Radio host claims to have identified "Jump-Kick Man"
Hot Air by John Sexton Nov 16, 2021
https://hotair.com/john-s-2/2021/11/16/report-radio-host-claims-to-have-identified-jump-kick-man-n429667 (https://hotair.com/john-s-2/2021/11/16/report-radio-host-claims-to-have-identified-jump-kick-man-n429667)
“The Dan O’Donnell Show” can now report exclusively that Jump Kick Man is a 40-year-old Black male from Kenosha with an extensive criminal record who was at the time of the Rittenhouse shootings on probation following a conviction for domestic violence battery. He faced a maximum sentence of nine months in jail, but less than two months before he kicked Rittenhouse, he accepted a plea deal that netted him 12 months’ probation. The following year, he violated the terms of his probation and was sentenced to seven months in jail…
“The Dan O’Donnell Show” is not naming Jump Kick Man, as he has not been criminally charged in connection with the Rittenhouse case. Sources indicate that he contacted prosecutors and offered to testify, but in exchange requested immunity from an ongoing drunk driving and domestic abuse case with which he was charged in June. Prosecutors declined his offer and chose not to call him as a witness in the Rittenhouse case.
According to online court records, Jump Kick Man has a criminal record that dates back more than two decades, with multiple felony convictions for car theft, ID theft, drug possession, and escaping custody. Given this and a recent prior conviction for misdemeanor battery (and a subsequent probation revocation), Jump Kick Man should have been sentenced to at least some jail time following his most recent conviction…
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Really?
You have a statute, a regulation, a case holding, or anything other than your mere personal assertion, on that point?
Well, he has this:
29.304 Restrictions on hunting and use of firearms by persons under 16 years of age. (https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/statutes/statutes/29/iv/304)
Therefore, FELONY!!!
(Don't try to make sense of it)
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Well, he has this:
29.304 Restrictions on hunting and use of firearms by persons under 16 years of age. (https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/statutes/statutes/29/iv/304)
Therefore, FELONY!!!
(Don't try to make sense of it)
I suppose I should have been a little more specific: does he have a statute, regulation, or case holding that it is illegal for anyone other than a family member to make a gift to a minor?
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https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1460816537812668425
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Kyle Rittenhouse defense accuses prosecutors of withholding key video
New York Post By Lee Brown 11/17/2021
https://nypost.com/2021/11/17/rittenhouse-defense-accuses-prosecutors-of-withholding-video/ (https://nypost.com/2021/11/17/rittenhouse-defense-accuses-prosecutors-of-withholding-video/)
Kyle Rittenhouse’s legal team accused prosecutors of holding back key video footage that is at the heart of their case in a formal motion for a mistrial, court documents show.
Lawyers for the 18-year-old Kenosha gunman already called for a mistrial during the hearing, and filed a formal seven-page request less than an hour before closing arguments Monday, The Chicago Tribune noted.
The motion argues any conviction should be overruled and seeks to forbid any chance of a retrial if Rittenhouse is cleared of the five felonies he faces for the deadly triple shooting at last year’s Kenosha riots.
It highlighted some of the prosecutors’ missteps that already had Judge Bruce Schroeder railing at them, including mentioning evidence they’d been warned not to use and also making a play of the teen’s right to silence.
But it also accused prosecutors of holding back the high-resolution drone footage used to try to suggest that Rittenhouse had been the aggressor when he claimed self-defense before the first shooting.
Prosecutors gave the defense a hard-to-see low-res version in a 3.6MB file — less than a third of the high-res file they actually had, the motion states.
They only got the better quality clip, already used by prosecutors, on Saturday, after testimony had concluded, the motion stated.
“The video footage has been at the center of this case,” the defense motion states, further calling it the “linchpin in their case.
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Kyle Rittenhouse Lawyers Request Mistrial, Argue Prosecution Withheld Video Evidence
Paul Bois 17 Nov 2021
The defense team for 18-year-old Kyle Rittenhouse has once again requested Judge Bruce Schroeder declare a mistrial with prejudice, arguing the prosecution withheld video evidence “at the center of their case.”
During the prosecution’s closing arguments on Monday, Assistant District Attorney Thomas Binger showed members of the jury high-definition drone video footage of the incident wherein Kyle Rittenhouse shot and killed Joseph Rosenbaum in an attempt to demonstrate that Rittenhouse was allegedly “pointing his gun” at people to provoke the encounter.
According to documents obtained by the Daily Mail, Rittenhouse’s defense attests that the high-definition video footage was markedly different from the low-quality version played earlier in the trial, meaning the prosecution withheld high-definition footage until two days before closing arguments.
On November 5, 2021, the fifth day of trial on this case, the prosecution turned over to the defense footage of a drone video which captured some of the incident from August 25, 2020.
The problem is the prosecution gave the defense a compressed version of the video. What that means is the video provided to the defense was not as clear as the video kept by the state.
more
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/11/17/kyle-rittenhouse-lawyers-request-mistrial-argue-prosecution-withheld-video-evidence/
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Radio host claims to have identified "Jump-Kick Man"
Hot Air by John Sexton Nov 16, 2021
https://hotair.com/john-s-2/2021/11/16/report-radio-host-claims-to-have-identified-jump-kick-man-n429667 (https://hotair.com/john-s-2/2021/11/16/report-radio-host-claims-to-have-identified-jump-kick-man-n429667)
Why oh why does the left not see the hypocrisy of protecting thugs like this and prosecuting people that try to protect society from these monsters.
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Why oh why does the left not see the hypocrisy of protecting thugs like this and prosecuting people that try to protect society from these monsters.
Because like "electing" Biden, they really in essence are no better than the thugs they complicitly protect.
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Kyle Rittenhouse Lawyers Request Mistrial, Argue Prosecution Withheld Video Evidence
Paul Bois 17 Nov 2021
The defense team for 18-year-old Kyle Rittenhouse has once again requested Judge Bruce Schroeder declare a mistrial with prejudice, arguing the prosecution withheld video evidence “at the center of their case.”
During the prosecution’s closing arguments on Monday, Assistant District Attorney Thomas Binger showed members of the jury high-definition drone video footage of the incident wherein Kyle Rittenhouse shot and killed Joseph Rosenbaum in an attempt to demonstrate that Rittenhouse was allegedly “pointing his gun” at people to provoke the encounter.
According to documents obtained by the Daily Mail, Rittenhouse’s defense attests that the high-definition video footage was markedly different from the low-quality version played earlier in the trial, meaning the prosecution withheld high-definition footage until two days before closing arguments.
more
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/11/17/kyle-rittenhouse-lawyers-request-mistrial-argue-prosecution-withheld-video-evidence/
As I have said multiple times already, the entire prosecution team in this case needs to be severely punished (disbarred) for what they have done.
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Why oh why does the left not see the hypocrisy of protecting thugs like this and prosecuting people that try to protect society from these monsters.
ANTIFA and BLM are the armed militia wing of the Democrat Party. Therefore they are safe.
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As I have said multiple times already, the entire prosecution team in this case needs to be severely punished (disbarred) for what they have done.
Binger and his AR-15 stunt yesterday earned him a lifetime of belittling memes. And disbarring? I wonder if the WI state bar takes petitions for action. I know I'd sign.
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Kyle Rittenhouse Prosecutor Might Have Broken Law With AR-15 Demonstration
The Kyle Rittenhouse trial could be over any day now as the jury is deliberating the case and preparing to deliver a verdict.
Assistant District Attorney Thomas Binger has been repeatedly scolded by Kenosha County Judge Bruce Schroeder for his behavior, comments, and numerous attempts to use shady evidence against Rittenhouse.
But Binger’s most embarrassing moment may have come when he pointed an AR-15 at people inside the courtroom.
Binger was demonstrating something with the weapon but ironically didn’t consider basic gun safety during the demonstration — which is even more ridiculous because he has been trying to claim Rittenhouse was reckless with a firearm.
In the images below, Binger not only pointed the weapon towards people in the courtroom, he also had his finger on the trigger.
https://twitter.com/Kevin__McMahon/status/1460366452603723783
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FERN0wtX0AUvckt?format=jpg&name=medium)
more
https://conservativebrief.com/prosecutor-2-54722/
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Rittenhouse VERDICT WATCH: Mistrial With Prejudice?
https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/11/rittenhouse-verdict-watch-mistrial-with-prejudice/ (https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/11/rittenhouse-verdict-watch-mistrial-with-prejudice/)
Defense files motion for mistrial with prejudice; State withheld high-definition version of “unicorn” drone video
Posted by Andrew Branca Wednesday, November 17, 2021 at 08:39am
BREAKING:
In late-breaking news the night of November 16, 2021, the defense filed a motion for a mistrial with prejudice on grounds that the State failed to provide the defense with the high-definition drone video in its possession, insteady merely providing the defense with a low-resolution version of that video, as well as on other grounds.
Download this PDF (https://www.scribd.com/document/540381079/211116-Rittenhouse-Motion-Mistrial-3#download&from_embed)
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Rittenhouse VERDICT WATCH: Mistrial With Prejudice?
https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/11/rittenhouse-verdict-watch-mistrial-with-prejudice/ (https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/11/rittenhouse-verdict-watch-mistrial-with-prejudice/)
Defense files motion for mistrial with prejudice; State withheld high-definition version of “unicorn” drone video
Posted by Andrew Branca Wednesday, November 17, 2021 at 08:39am
Honestly.... should have been the course of action a week ago. Judge gave this joke of prosecution team more leeway (self inflicted rope) than I know I ever would.
Withholding evidence until after closing? Has that bone headed move ever been used before in a high profile case?
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Today's Rekieta Law livestream discussing the trial:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qbnc9IfSe3Q (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qbnc9IfSe3Q)
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Honestly.... should have been the course of action a week ago. Judge gave this joke of prosecution team more leeway (self inflicted rope) than I know I ever would.
Withholding evidence until after closing? Has that bone headed move ever been used before in a high profile case?
:amen: I fully concur!
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One rumour coming out that might explain Binger's woke hatred of Kyle.
Supposedly he has a sugar daddy judge in Kenosha that he lives with.
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TheQuartering
@TheQuartering
If the reports are true, of 2 jurors afraid to acquit Kyle Rittenhouse over doxxing threats and potential harassment this is of grave concern.
Not that half the country will care..
5:42 PM · Nov 16, 2021
It appears members of the jury have a "grave concern" for their safety from the same group as did Kyle Rittenhouse.
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It is not legal for someone other than a family member to give a minor a gift. Black purchased the firearm for Rittenhouse because he was prohibited from buying a firearm at the time. That is a straw purchase and it is a felony.
You are making the tragic mistake of assuming the gun grabbing laws of all States are as bad as California's.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1460995333006270469
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One rumour coming out that might explain Binger's woke hatred of Kyle.
Supposedly he has a sugar daddy judge in Kenosha that he lives with.
Word is, Binger used to have as an email address "Flufferboy2004". Also, there are photos circulating on the net of Binger enjoying some time at the lake with the judge in question.
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One rumour coming out that might explain Binger's woke hatred of Kyle.
Supposedly he has a sugar daddy judge in Kenosha that he lives with.
That would explain the cool hairstyle.
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Why oh why does the left not see the hypocrisy of protecting thugs like this and prosecuting people that try to protect society from these monsters.
@Sighlass
Because the left understands the ONLY way they can gain power is through revolution. These people are their useless cannon fodder. The leadership are VERY careful to remain a distance away and give orders.
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ANTIFA and BLM are the armed militia wing of the Democrat Party. Therefore they are safe.
@txradioguy
And THERE it is.
How else would all the rioters who have previous felony convictions get picked up for crimes like arson,and then suddenly be set free with no court appearances or even fines?
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@txradioguy
And THERE it is.
How else would all the rioters who have previous felony convictions get picked up for crimes like arson,and then suddenly be set free with no court appearances or even fines?
@sneakypete it's the only reason in my mind that explains why they are back out on the streets so quickly or get a slap on the wrist.
Especially when you compare how ANTIFA and BLM rioters are treated versus how the January 6th protesters are being treated.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/ColumbiaBugle/status/1460801415421566978
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@sneakypete it's the only reason in my mind that explains why they are back out on the streets so quickly or get a slap on the wrist.
Especially when you compare how ANTIFA and BLM rioters are treated versus how the January 6th protesters are being treated.
The left's shock troops. The Red Guard, Sturmabteilung, Sans-culottes, Bolsheviks... they are no different.
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(From the Babylon Bee ... )
https://mobile.twitter.com/TheBabylonBee/status/1460655850121539592
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https://mobile.twitter.com/CortesSteve/status/1460978379587522563
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https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1460982508128980999
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Every time Black gave him the firearm it was a felony. Rittenhouse had to be trained and certified for Black to give him the weapon. It doesn't matter if Black stored the weapon for Rittenhouse. He admitted that Rittenhouse gave him the money to buy the weapon for him.
We can’t debate with your feelings. If you come up with some evidence, then let us see it, otherwise, we all know your feelings on the subject, so there is no need for us to spam the thread explaining the facts to you any more.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1460982508128980999
Rittenhouse's one mistake.
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We can’t debate with your feelings. If you come up with some evidence, then let us see it, otherwise, we all know your feelings on the subject, so there is no need for us to spam the thread explaining the facts to you any more.
@LilLamb @Killer Clouds
Some people just seem to be "educated beyond their ability to understand".
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https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1461018466077618191
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https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1461019153796640775
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Today's Rekieta Law livestream discussing the trial:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qbnc9IfSe3Q (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qbnc9IfSe3Q)
ICYMI happy77
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Rittenhouse's one mistake.
Do you mean the Rittenhouse attorney's one mistake @skeeter
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Do you mean the Rittenhouse attorney's one mistake @skeeter
How so? I was referring to Kyle missing his righteous opportunity to take out this trash.
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Every time Black gave him the firearm it was a felony. Rittenhouse had to be trained and certified for Black to give him the weapon. It doesn't matter if Black stored the weapon for Rittenhouse. He admitted that Rittenhouse gave him the money to buy the weapon for him.
Where do you get the "Trained and Certified" crap?
Kindly cite your law, please.
You have to have hunter safety--only if you are hunting. Not for any other use.
You have to be certified for a concealed weapon permit. (Obviously, the rifle was not a concealed weapon so that did not apply).
He was not paid security, but a volunteer, so nope, not required. :shrug:
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Where do you get the "Trained and Certified" crap?
Kindly cite your law, please.
You have to have hunter safety--only if you are hunting. Not for any other use.
You have to be certified for a concealed weapon permit. (Obviously, the rifle was not a concealed weapon so that did not apply).
He was not paid security, but a volunteer, so nope, not required. :shrug:
@Killer Clouds
The Wisconsin law on straw purchase says that it’s only a straw purchase if you are buying it for someone who cannot legally possess the gun. Kyle could legally possess the gun, that is why the judge took out the firearm charge. Black did not make a straw purchase.
https://casetext.com/statute/wisconsin-statutes/criminal-code/chapter-941-crimes-against-public-health-and-safety/subchapter-iii-weapons/section-9412905-straw-purchasing-of-firearms
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Kyle Rittenhouse Prosecutor Might Have Broken Law With AR-15 Demonstration
The Kyle Rittenhouse trial could be over any day now as the jury is deliberating the case and preparing to deliver a verdict.
Assistant District Attorney Thomas Binger has been repeatedly scolded by Kenosha County Judge Bruce Schroeder for his behavior, comments, and numerous attempts to use shady evidence against Rittenhouse.
But Binger’s most embarrassing moment may have come when he pointed an AR-15 at people inside the courtroom.
Binger was demonstrating something with the weapon but ironically didn’t consider basic gun safety during the demonstration — which is even more ridiculous because he has been trying to claim Rittenhouse was reckless with a firearm.
In the images below, Binger not only pointed the weapon towards people in the courtroom, he also had his finger on the trigger.
https://twitter.com/Kevin__McMahon/status/1460366452603723783
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FERN0wtX0AUvckt?format=jpg&name=medium)
more
https://conservativebrief.com/prosecutor-2-54722/
The absence of a magazine in the well does not mean there is no round up the pipe. This is a common and unfortunately, lethal error made by careless gun handlers. Some firearms have a magazine safety which will only allow the trigger to be pulled if there is a magazine in the well, but the AR-15 is not one of those.
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The absence of a magazine in the well does not mean there is no round up the pipe. This is a common and unfortunately, lethal error made by careless gun handlers. Some firearms have a magazine safety which will only allow the trigger to be pulled if there is a magazine in the well, but the AR-15 is not one of those.
The bulk of the AD's (accidental discharges) we had when I was in Iraq in 2003 was because the soldier improperly cleared the weapon and left a round in the chamber after they dropped the magazine
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@Killer Clouds
The Wisconsin law on straw purchase says that it’s only a straw purchase if you are buying it for someone who cannot legally possess the gun. Kyle could legally possess the gun, that is why the judge took out the firearm charge. Black did not make a straw purchase.
https://casetext.com/statute/wisconsin-statutes/criminal-code/chapter-941-crimes-against-public-health-and-safety/subchapter-iii-weapons/section-9412905-straw-purchasing-of-firearms
Simply enough: Not a straw purchase, no certification required, no hunter safety required. A nothingburger.
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Honestly.... should have been the course of action a week ago. Judge gave this joke of prosecution team more leeway (self inflicted rope) than I know I ever would.
Withholding evidence until after closing? Has that bone headed move ever been used before in a high profile case?
Withholding Brady Material is not only a Felony, but actionable in Civil Court as well.
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Jacek Posobiec
@JackPosobiec
Holy shlit
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FEai2oUXMAAMROW?format=jpg&name=medium)
1:12 PM · Nov 17, 2021
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Holy shit is right.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FEan2ldXsAsrzlC?format=jpg&name=900x900)
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Where do you get the "Trained and Certified" crap?
Kindly cite your law, please.
You have to have hunter safety--only if you are hunting. Not for any other use.
You have to be certified for a concealed weapon permit. (Obviously, the rifle was not a concealed weapon so that did not apply).
He was not paid security, but a volunteer, so nope, not required. :shrug:
@Smokin Joe
Drop it. You are trying to reason with a professional fool,and all you are doing is encouraging him.
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@Smokin Joe
Drop it. You are trying to reason with a professional fool,and all you are doing is encouraging him.
11513
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The bulk of the AD's (accidental discharges) we had when I was in Iraq in 2003 was because the soldier improperly cleared the weapon and left a round in the chamber after they dropped the magazine
@txradioguy
I saw this happen when one of the regular army soldiers assigned to help SF Training Group by posing as untrained guerillas for the Robin Sage operations showed up without a M-16. He was going out on an ambush,so I lent him my FN-FAL,and damned if he didn't have an AD with it before they even got out of the base camp. It was,of course,loaded with blanks.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1461045879851343873
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https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1461045879851343873
By that does he mean with the lawyers in the case, or with lawyers in general?
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Heard on top of the hour new that the jury has requested another look at the video and photos.
Judge will allow this in the courtroom.
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@Smokin Joe
Drop it. You are trying to reason with a professional fool,and all you are doing is encouraging him.
It reminds me a lot of a former Member who claimed he was fond of jazz....
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By that does he mean with the lawyers in the case, or with lawyers in general?
Don't know for sure .....
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https://mobile.twitter.com/DanielM34800504/status/1461046565645160448
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It reminds me a lot of a former Member who claimed he was fond of jazz....
@Cyber Liberty
I kind of miss that one. Dissent should always be welcomed to insure that you are hearing something more than echos,but there are obvious limits to how much BS you are willing to listen to.
This guy could leave and my only response would be a sigh of relief.
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Heard on top of the hour new that the jury has requested another look at the video and photos.
Judge will allow this in the courtroom.
IMO the fact it’s taking them this long cannot bode well for the defense. Can’t help it - when it comes to highly politically charged media driven events I’m used to bad news.
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Bam! The state lied!
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https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1461048752630865922
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https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1461048752630865922
That's not good - for the prosecution - it means the judge is considering sanctions against the party who tampered with, or lied about, the video, and that would only be the prosecution. It might also be a prelude to a disciplinary referral against the prosecutors.
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IMO the fact it’s taking them this long cannot bode well for the defense. Can’t help it - when it comes to highly politically charged media driven events I’m used to bad news.
I think, or hope, they are dotting the eyes and crossing the t's for two jurors who want to acquit, but fear for their lives.
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They are doubling down still wanting the jury to see it
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https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1461048752630865922
Hopefully this is a career-ending exercise for the prosecution.
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@Cyber Liberty
I kind of miss that one. Dissent should always be welcomed to insure that you are hearing something more than echos,but there are obvious limits to how much BS you are willing to listen to.
This guy could leave and my only response would be a sigh of relief.
He had broken-recorditis. Every time he was proven wrong, he just kept repeating the exposed lie until people just gave up on his ass. When he attacked this Admin the process, the other Admin fried his azz for good.
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Judge says he is going to re-open the evidence. Wow.
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That's not good - for the prosecution - it means the judge is considering sanctions against the party who tampered with, or lied about, the video, and that would only be the prosecution. It might also be a prelude to a disciplinary referral against the prosecutors.
And bump it to the top of the list of reasons for a mistrial, with prejudice.
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Hopefully this is a career-ending exercise for the prosecution.
Unfortunately, it probably won't be.
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Judge says he is going to re-open the evidence. Wow.
From what I’m catching from the live tweets from the trial the defense lawyers are making a strong case for a mistrial with prejudice. And the prosecutors are just continuing to dig the hole they’re in deeper and deeper.
I sure hope when Binger and The Fatman go before a judicial misconduct board they provide a better defense for themselves than they did as representatives of the people in prosecuting the Rittenhouse case.
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Unfortunately, it probably won't be.
He'll probably get an award for trying to jail Rittenhouse forever, despite failing because of his own ineptness and an impossible case.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/ElectionWiz/status/1461048810000453634
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https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1461050448710971392
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From what I’m catching from the live tweets from the trial the defense lawyers are making a strong case for a mistrial with prejudice. And the prosecutors are just continuing to dig the hole they’re in deeper and deeper.
I sure hope when Binger and The Farman go before a judicial misconduct board they provide a better defense for themselves than they did prosecuting the Rittenhouse case.
Unfortunately, it is highly unlikely that the prosecutors will get any discipline whatsoever, even if the facts clearly demonstrate that they intentionally monkeyed with the evidence. At the very most they will likely only get a letter of admonishment, or some other private discipline.
Nifong was the exception to the rule, not a demonstration of the rule.
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The low resolution video given to the defense was created 21 minutes later than the video sent to the crime lab according to the metadata on the files.
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The low resolution video given to the defense was created 21 minutes later than the video sent to the crime lab according to the metadata on the files.
Would that have meant that the low-res version was created prior to the time the hi-res version was in the prosecution's hands? In other words, does it indicate that the low-res version was created by someone other than the prosecution?
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I really wish the judge would just rule on the mistrial motion. The idea of just keeping it in his back pocket in case the jury comes back with something he likes or doesn't like seems problematic.
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I really wish the judge would just rule on the mistrial motion. The idea of just keeping it in his back pocket in case the jury comes back with something he likes or doesn't like seems problematic.
The judge may be trying to make sure that he's developed the factual record to the point that any ruling on the mistrial motion will be very difficult to overcome on appeal.
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pointing-down
https://mobile.twitter.com/TPostMillennial/status/1461052360080474112
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The judge may be trying to make sure that he's developed the factual record to the point that any ruling on the mistrial motion will be very difficult to overcome on appeal.
That would be a good idea, certainly. Maybe there's more record development going on behind the scenes? Because all I'm seeing in the livestream is a continual shove to the side and not doing anything with it one way or the other.
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Would that have meant that the low-res version was created prior to the time the hi-res version was in the prosecution's hands? In other words, does it indicate that the low-res version was created by someone other than the prosecution?
The video they got came from the state so the state had to have both versions.
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Would that have meant that the low-res version was created prior to the time the hi-res version was in the prosecution's hands? In other words, does it indicate that the low-res version was created by someone other than the prosecution?
No what it means is that out of spite or stupidity or just becasue they thought they could get away with it...they purposely made a low res (smaller file size) copy of the video to give to the defense lawyers and kept the hi res version for themselves.
If all the defense had was a fuzzy pixelated version of the video...it makes it harder to present the jury with a visual picture of the situation KR found himself in.
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The judge may be trying to make sure that he's developed the factual record to the point that any ruling on the mistrial motion will be very difficult to overcome on appeal.
I also think since the judge has been asked to consider a mistrial with predjudice, ---- a highly unusual move from a defense team ----- he MUST make sure he has everything in order before ruling.
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No what it means is that out of spite or stupidity or just becasue they thought they could get away with it...they purposely made a low res (smaller file size) copy of the video to give to the defense lawyers and kept the hi res version for themselves.
If all the defense had was a fuzzy pixelated version of the video...it makes it harder to present the jury with a visual picture of the situation KR found himself in.
@txradioguy Thanks!
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No what it means is that out of spite or stupidity or just becasue they thought they could get away with it...they purposely made a low res (smaller file size) copy of the video to give to the defense lawyers and kept the hi res version for themselves.
If all the defense had was a fuzzy pixelated version of the video...it makes it harder to present the jury with a visual picture of the situation KR found himself in.
They didn’t just give to the defense they gave it directly to the court clerk. The defense did not object because they thought it was the same high resolution that was shown on Tucker Carlson. The state, knowing they had two different resolutions video gave the low resolution to the court for exhibits.
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They didn’t just give to the defense they gave it directly to the court clerk. The defense did not object because they thought it was the same high resolution that was shown on Tucker Carlson. The state, knowing they had two different resolutions video gave the low resolution to the court for exhibits.
Exactly!
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They didn’t just give to the defense they gave it directly to the court clerk. The defense did not object because they thought it was the same high resolution that was shown on Tucker Carlson. The state, knowing they had two different resolutions video gave the low resolution to the court for exhibits.
That, to my mind, is clear evidence of an intent to taint the evidence and to commit contempt of court. It should be grounds for a dismissal with prejudice in this instance.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FEa25vqXoAoFg3v?format=jpg&name=small)
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FEa25vqXoAoFg3v?format=jpg&name=small)
Pretty much captures it.
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I think it’s possible that Binger and Krause didn’t know, but someone from the state did this and they know it. By continuing to allow it to remain in exhibits after they know this has happened they are just as guilty as the person that gave it.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1461055940971712516
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https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1461055501022773252
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I think it’s possible that Binger and Krause didn’t know, but someone from the state did this and they know it. By continuing to allow it to remain in exhibits after they know this has happened they are just as guilty as the person that gave it.
True. Assuming for the sake of argument that they did not know that a low-res version had been submitted as evidence, once they became aware of that fact they had an obligation to withdraw the submitted version, inform the court and the defense of the facts, and do so in a manner calculated to give the court as much of a chance as possible to mitigate the damage flowing from the admission of the improper evidence, including, for example, curative instructions to the jury.
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True. Assuming for the sake of argument that they did not know that a low-res version had been submitted as evidence, once they became aware of that fact they had an obligation to withdraw the submitted version, inform the court and the defense of the facts, and do so in a manner calculated to give the court as much of a chance as possible to mitigate the damage flowing from the admission of the improper evidence, including, for example, curative instructions to the jury.
Instead of doing that they double down, and double down again like good little Soviets.
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Rittenhouse Prosecutor: We Did Not Alter the Video Evidence
Joel B. Pollak 17 Nov 2021
The prosecution and defense attorneys clashed Wednesday afternoon in the Kenosha County Court before Judge Bruce Schroeder over disputed video evidence as jurors continued a second day of deliberations.
The dispute involved several videos, especially a high-definition video that the prosecution used in closing arguments on Friday, but which had not been provided to the defense, which only received a low-definition version. The defense moved for a mistrial Tuesday on that basis.
Assistant District Attorney John Kraus told the judge that the prosecution had not intentionally withheld video evidence from the defense, but that there was an accidental compression involved in moving video between iPhone and Android devices.
The person who took the footage, according to Kraus, had earlier provided it to Rittenhouse’s former attorney, John Pierce, who had shown it last year on the Tucker Carlson Show on Fox News.
When it was emailed to the defense, there was a compression, he said, which had not been deliberate.
“If I knew how to compress files, and do all these technology things, I’d have a much better job,” Kraus said, claiming that the prosecution had done nothing to alter the video file.
The defense countered that the files appeared to be different, and the “metadata” accompanying the video appeared different. It also said that the video provided to Carlson — which Carlson’s show apparently bought — was different, as it was black-and-white. The prosecutor’s video was in color; that had not been the problem, but rather the superior quality of the prosecution’s video.
“At this point, your Honor, they have not requested what we’re fighting about,” defense lawyers Mark Richards observed at one stage.”
“You are correct,” the judge replied.
Earlier Wednesday, the jury sent a question to the judge about whether it would be permitted to review video evidence in the courtroom, or in private. The judge, while ruling that the video would have to be viewed in the courtroom — with no others present — added that this was his “nightmare” scenario, where disputes about the video evidence could consume the trial.
The court reconvened after the jury had asked two more questions about reviewing video evidence, focusing on three videos in particular, relating to the shooting of Gaige Grosskreutz (who was armed, and who was wounded and survived).
The prosecutors argued that the jurors should be able to watch videos as many times as they want, while the defense only wanted the jury to be able to watch once, as in court proceedings.
The lawyers argued over the applicable legal precedents, and Judge Schroeder expressed concern that earlier legal problems with the artificial intelligence technology used to enhance zoomed-in video evidence would only be amplified if the jury were able to watch those videos repeatedly.
https://www.breitbart.com/law-and-order/2021/11/17/rittenhouse-prosecutor-we-did-not-alter-the-video-evidence/
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https://mobile.twitter.com/DarrenJBeattie/status/1461054546655027206
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Jacek Posobiec 🇺🇸🇵🇱
@JackPosobiec
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BREAKING: Prosecution is apparently blaming Fox News and Tucker Carlson for withholding video from defense team
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Rittenhouse Prosecutor: We Did Not Alter the Video Evidence
(https://media.tenor.co/images/c2fb98d98fea8a85395d9e1bb8ffb60f/raw)
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Jacek Posobiec 🇺🇸🇵🇱
@JackPosobiec
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BREAKING: Prosecution is apparently blaming Fox News and Tucker Carlson for withholding video from defense team
When you've run out of people to blame...blame Fox News.
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So apparently they're still going to punt the question of what to do about the low-res vs. hi-res video since the jury has not (yet?) requested it, presumably in the hopes that they never do request it.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1461059929037590532
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Jacek Posobiec 🇺🇸🇵🇱
@JackPosobiec
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BREAKING: Prosecution is apparently blaming Fox News and Tucker Carlson for withholding video from defense team
:facepalm2:
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https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1461062086625275908
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Louis vil LeGun ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ
@LouisvilleGun
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Defense saying they asked for EXACT FORENSIC COPY.
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Rittenhouse Jury Asks About Videos; Judge: ‘My Nightmare Has Come True’
https://www.breitbart.com/crime/2021/11/17/rittenhouse-jury-asks-about-videos-judge-my-nightmare-has-come-true/
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Rittenhouse Prosecutor: We Did Not Alter the Video Evidence
Joel B. Pollak 17 Nov 2021
The "It was an accident!!" defense.
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I don’t understand why it matters if the jury has asked to see it again. They have already seen an exhibit that should not have been entered. The deliberations are already tainted by ever seeing it and it is not being withdrawn now.
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Hopefully this is a career-ending exercise for the prosecution.
Are you kidding? This guy is building up a helluva resume' for a dimocratic U.S Attorney General.
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I hate the defense! Why ask for no prejudice!
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I hate the defense! Why ask for no prejudice!
Every Motion for Mistrial I've heard about were "with prejudice." Is this a third Motion?
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The judge does not want to rule on it until the jury asks for it again or comes back with a verdict.
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Every Motion for Mistrial I've heard about were "with prejudice." Is this a third Motion?
The defense said in order to compromise. Compromise with Kyles life in jeopardy makes me sick.
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The defense said in order to compromise. Compromise with Kyles life in jeopardy makes me sick.
Me too. That would be snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
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https://twitter.com/joelpollak/status/1461066110674034692
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:facepalm2:
Someone needs to call the guys in white suits and straight jackets for Binger. He has gone insane.
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Someone needs to call the guys in white suits and straight jackets for Binger. He has gone insane.
:thumbsup:
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Jacek Posobiec 🇺🇸🇵🇱
@JackPosobiec
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BREAKING: Prosecution is apparently blaming Fox News and Tucker Carlson for withholding video from defense team
Wait .... wasn't Lunchbox just blaming an Android phone for the problem?? :laugh:
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Judge says he has forewarned the prosecution about the problematic nature of the unicorn video, but they continued to press for it and he allowed it. He says that there is a "day of reckoning" coming about the drone video issue and "it's going to be ugly".
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https://twitter.com/joelpollak/status/1461066110674034692
And there you go .....
I'm not lovin' our judicial system today.
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And there you go .....
I'm not lovin' our judicial system today.
I'm with you there.
But I do wonder if he's warning the State that he IS leaning toward the mistrial in the event of a guilty verdict with his statements about there being a "day of reckoning" on the video stuff.
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And the kid's life hangs in the balance **nononono*
https://mobile.twitter.com/mescubamike/status/1461055406235607045
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Judge says he has forewarned the prosecution about the problematic nature of the unicorn video, but they continued to press for it and he allowed it. He says that there is a "day of reckoning" coming about the drone video issue and "it's going to be ugly".
Would be a hoot if Fluffer got jail time, and Kyle walks.... :silly:
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We can’t debate with your feelings. If you come up with some evidence, then let us see it, otherwise, we all know your feelings on the subject, so there is no need for us to spam the thread explaining the facts to you any more.
What I stated are facts. The law is the law and you can't show any different.
State and federal laws apply.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1461066599071465478
https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1461066960171585542
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I hate the defense! Why ask for no prejudice!
Perhaps they are that confident they will get a not guilty verdict.
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What I stated are facts. The law is the law and you can't show any different.
State and federal laws apply.
You haven't stated anything other than your unsubstantiated personal opinion. Now, let's start with the strangest proposition: please provide a statute, regulation, or binding case law holding that says it is illegal for anyone other than a minor's parents to make a gift to that minor.
If your proposition is in fact true, then most birthday parties are dens of iniquity, sin, and - more to the point - criminal conduct.
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And there you go .....
I'm not lovin' our judicial system today.
That's not such an unreasonable position for the judge to take. An acquittal by the jury would be a stronger result than a dismissal by the judge, and would conserve judicial resources since there would be nothing for him to do in the event of an acquittal.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1461069131499909123
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What I stated are facts. The law is the law and you can't show any different.
You and the facts on this case aren't even in the same zip code. I've never seen someone try so hard to be proven wrong so often.
You've been shown the law and completely ignored what was posted for you to see and ran with how you want the laws to read...now how they really are.
State and federal laws apply.
And you've completely misrepresented what the laws state...multiple times I might add.
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That's not such an unreasonable position for the judge to take. An acquittal by the jury would be a stronger result than a dismissal by the judge, and would conserve judicial resources since there would be nothing for him to do in the event of an acquittal.
You make much sense, wise one. happy77
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What I stated are facts. The law is the law and you can't show any different.
State and federal laws apply.
It might be California law, but it sure as Hell isn't Wisconsin law. Give it up. You can't make that puzzle piece fit no matter how hard you hit it with a hammer.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1461069131499909123
:silly:
Flufferboy2004 has a skype account: Flufferboy2004skype:Flufferboy2004
Some other interesting junk out there as well.
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What I stated are facts. The law is the law and you can't show any different.
State and federal laws apply.
Back up your argument with evidence we can see or it’s just feelings. We are citing actual passages in the law. You are just making comments on what you feel the facts are and not on written law. Come back to us and cite written law that we can examine or drop it.
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That's not such an unreasonable position for the judge to take. An acquittal by the jury would be a stronger result than a dismissal by the judge, and would conserve judicial resources since there would be nothing for him to do in the event of an acquittal.
That strategy by the judge would work well if the jury acquits; if the jury convicts and the judge decides mistrial is appropriate, then the story becomes Rittenhouse was convicted by a jury of his peers but the white supremacist court system threw out their verdict.
You want to see even bigger riots? This would do the trick.
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That strategy by the judge would work well if the jury acquits; if the jury convicts and the judge decides mistrial is appropriate, then the story becomes Rittenhouse was convicted by a jury of his peers but the white supremacist court system threw out their verdict.
You want to see even bigger riots? This would do the trick.
Maybe so, but the judge has to go one way or the other. This is, I surmise, one of those points on which reasonable minds can disagree.
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:silly:
Flufferboy2004 has a skype account: Flufferboy2004skype:Flufferboy2004
Some other interesting junk out there as well.
Is that really his handle?? That's a bizarre admission, considering the meaning of "fluffer." Don't ask me what on the public forum, it's icky.
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That strategy by the judge would work well if the jury acquits; if the jury convicts and the judge decides mistrial is appropriate, then the story becomes Rittenhouse was convicted by a jury of his peers but the white supremacist court system threw out their verdict.
You want to see even bigger riots? This would do the trick.
I think a hung jury is a far more likely situation than a guilty finding. But, your salient point is correct, it would set the riots in motion. I'll bet the pallets of bricks are already in place.
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Maybe so, but the judge has to go one way or the other. This is, I surmise, one of those points on which reasonable minds can disagree.
Yes. I don't disagree with your analysis @Kamaji , in fact I can't think of any other reason for the judge to sit on the motion. But if I were in his position I would be much more concerned about creating a situation where I had to overturn a high-profile jury verdict. Maybe he's so confident the jury will acquit that he's not concerned about that possibility.
He wears the robes, not me.
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Yes. I don't disagree with your analysis @Kamaji , in fact I can't think of any other reason for the judge to sit on the motion. But if I were in his position I would be much more concerned about creating a situation where I had to overturn a high-profile jury verdict. Maybe he's so confident the jury will acquit that he's not concerned about that possibility.
He wears the robes, not me.
:thumbsup:
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Jacek Posobiec 🇺🇸🇵🇱
@JackPosobiec
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BREAKING: Judge allowing jury to review drone footage in courtroom now
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Jacek Posobiec 🇺🇸🇵🇱
@JackPosobiec
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BREAKING: Judge allowing jury to review drone footage in courtroom now
Which one, the hi-res or the low-res version?
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I think a hung jury is a far more likely situation than a guilty finding. But, your salient point is correct, it would set the riots in motion. I'll bet the pallets of bricks are already in place.
Granted, I'm tuning in at the last minute, but one thing I am pretty certain of; you are correct, riots are going to happen and you can bet that the pallets of bricks are already in place.
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Which one, the hi-res or the low-res version?
I'm gonna make a WAG and say the high res version since they had already seen the low res version.
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https://twitter.com/mtarm/status/1461085867171364866?s=21
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Feast your eyes on the two most incompetent prosecutors you'll ever see.
https://twitter.com/mescubamike/status/1461055406235607045 (https://twitter.com/mescubamike/status/1461055406235607045)
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So, apparently, the software used to create the compressed version was something called HandBrake.
https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1461078972259831816
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So, apparently, the software used to create the compressed version was something called HandBrake.
https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1461078972259831816
I've used that on my Mac. It allows you to convert video to different formats and sizes. I've used it to convert torrent files of movies I'd download into mpeg to watch on the TV or smaller files that play well on the kids cell phones and tablets.
It will take a video file and put it into just about any format you want or need.
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If you're emailing video evidence from your cell phone to another cell phone or even to a desktop computer...how is the chain of custody of the evidence maintained?
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I've used that on my Mac. It allows you to convert video to different formats and sizes. I've used it to convert torrent files of movies I'd download into mpeg to watch on the TV or smaller files that play well on the kids cell phones and tablets.
It will take a video file and put it into just about any format you want or need.
Using it, however, would be an intentional act, not a mistake or an accident. And, according to the tweet above, the reference "HandBrake" was seen on one of the prosecutor's computers. That implies they knowingly used it to compress the original video.
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That would be correct.
HandBrake is a free and reliable video converter and encoder. Originally designed for Mac, the application has found its way to Windows and provides various functions. With its help, users can easily rip and convert video files to any format. HandBrake download supports all popular formats, including MP4, WebM, MP3, MKV, and more.
https://handbrake.en.softonic.com/
It's freeware and if was on the prosecutors official computers that to me is not something any IT Administrator would willingly allow on official devices.
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If you're emailing video evidence from your cell phone to another cell phone or even to a desktop computer...how is the chain of custody of the evidence maintained?
That's the only video that didn't use DropBox.
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That would be correct.
https://handbrake.en.softonic.com/
It's freeware and if was on the prosecutors official computers that to me is not something any IT Administrator would willingly allow on official devices.
I looked up Handbrake on CNET, and it says it's used because it fills in missing bits of data to make the files cross-compatible. That's really, really bad.
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I looked up Handbrake on CNET, and it says it's used because it fills in missing bits of data to make the files cross-compatible. That's really, really bad.
By the time this is over Binger and The Fatman won't be able to get a job in the public defenders office.
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Handbrake!
Pamela Geller
November 17, 2021
https://gellerreport.com/2021/11/handbrake.html/
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End of the day.
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The tension must be unbearable for that young man.
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By the time this is over Binger and The Fatman won't be able to get a job in the public defenders office.
This dishonest behavior is universal among leftists these days - absolutely no ethical standard, anything goes. People need to go to prison before they destroy the country's faith in every public institution.
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I hope the defense brings up the point that the HandBrake software was on the prosecutor's laptop, what that software does, the fact that it does not come bundled with any known major installation and therefore must have been intentionally installed on that laptop by the prosecutor using it, and that therefore that prosecutor was intentionally misleading the court when he stated that he did not know how to compress video files.
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Kristen Barbaresi
@KristenBarbar
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Judge dismisses the jury for the day.
They will return at 9 am tomorrow for day 3 of deliberations.
Keep in mind the jurors do not there are 2 motions for a mistrial pending (or at least should not, if they're following the rules).
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The tension must be unbearable for that young man.
I just pray his impressionable young mind does not permit him to conclude all the law is handled this way and we do indeed have justice in this country.
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https://youtu.be/z8mBTHWgkvI
Side by side comparison of Rittenhouse video quality
I hope it works - clumsy on my phone.
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https://youtu.be/z8mBTHWgkvI
Side by side comparison of Rittenhouse video quality
I hope it works - clumsy on my phone.
Pardon my ignorance, but which frames are the relevant ones (i.e., by time-stamp)?
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Pardon my ignorance, but which frames are the relevant ones (i.e., by time-stamp)?
I share your ignorance.
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I share your ignorance.
:thumbsup:
Always glad of the company!
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Pardon my ignorance, but which frames are the relevant ones (i.e., by time-stamp)?
Rittenhouse shot Rosenbaum at around the 7-8 second mark.
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:thumbsup:
Always glad of the company!
I know. It is somehow blissfully comforting.
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Rittenhouse shot Rosenbaum at around the 7-8 second mark.
Thanks. Unfortunately, I guess my eyes just aren't good enough, or my display is too small, as I can't make out a darned thing.
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Rittenhouse shot Rosenbaum at around the 7-8 second mark.
The resolution contrast is startling in the inner frame. Quite incredible the Prosecution sat on it. Ironic, isn't it? They are party to a lynching attempt.
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Thanks. Unfortunately, I guess my eyes just aren't good enough, or my display is too small, as I can't make out a darned thing.
If you watch the inside zoom frame, it jumps out.
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The resolution contrast is startling in the inner frame. Quite incredible the Prosecution sat on it. Ironic, isn't it? They are party to a lynching attempt.
It shows the kid clearly fleeing and turning to shoot only when Rosenbaum makes a lunge at him. I can't figure out why the jury has been deliberating for so long.
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The resolution contrast is startling in the inner frame. Quite incredible the Prosecution sat on it. Ironic, isn't it? They are party to a lynching attempt.
Yes indeed.
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What I stated are facts. The law is the law and you can't show any different.
State and federal laws apply.
Cite the specific laws which apply.
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HANDBRAKE!
By Pamela Geller - on November 17, 2021
After repeated denials by the State in the Rittenhouse case, that they knew nothing of compressing, doctoring or altering video, ‘handbrake was spotted on the DA’s screen.
For everyone asking “what is handbrake” is used for compressing & converting videos. It was found on Kraus’s laptop meaning he may have purposely converted the video to the lower resolution version using handbrake.
“Handbrake was on one of the prosecutions laptops since January 2021. This can be used to compress footage. Krause lied when he said he didn’t know how to do any of those actions. I’ve moved from negligence or incompetence to malice”
https://twitter.com/claireharr/status/1461079579326566415
wave brah 🌊
@intel_wave
For background - Handbrake is a tool for transcoding/converting videos and compressing/downsizing them
The prosecution is being accused by the defense of doctoring critical evidence
2:52 PM · Nov 17, 2021·Twitter Web App
more
https://gellerreport.com/2021/11/handbrake.html/
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HANDBRAKE!
By Pamela Geller - on November 17, 2021
After repeated denials by the State in the Rittenhouse case, that they knew nothing of compressing, doctoring or altering video, ‘handbrake was spotted on the DA’s screen.
For everyone asking “what is handbrake” is used for compressing & converting videos. It was found on Kraus’s laptop meaning he may have purposely converted the video to the lower resolution version using handbrake.
“Handbrake was on one of the prosecutions laptops since January 2021. This can be used to compress footage. Krause lied when he said he didn’t know how to do any of those actions. I’ve moved from negligence or incompetence to malice”
https://twitter.com/claireharr/status/1461079579326566415
wave brah 🌊
@intel_wave
For background - Handbrake is a tool for transcoding/converting videos and compressing/downsizing them
The prosecution is being accused by the defense of doctoring critical evidence
2:52 PM · Nov 17, 2021·Twitter Web App
more
https://gellerreport.com/2021/11/handbrake.html/
I hope the defense gets this information in front of the judge - and the judge acts on it.
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The tension must be unbearable for that young man.
I can’t even fathom what he’s going through.
I have often wished that his defense team was a little more bulldog-ish.
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Handbrake Poso
@JackPosobiec
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Of the 7 women on the jury there are 2 that have always worn masks every moment throughout the trial, looked stern today, per courtroom member
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https://mobile.twitter.com/ElectionWiz/status/1461173326475321347
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https://mobile.twitter.com/emeriticus/status/1461190314996215812
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https://mobile.twitter.com/ColumbiaBugle/status/1461035214977777674
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https://mobile.twitter.com/ElectionWiz/status/1461173326475321347
Ok, cropping is a clear indication of intentional manipulation of the video; automated compression does not also automatically crop the video.
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Has the jury been brought back in yet?
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Has the jury been brought back in yet?
Live stream says they'll be back at 10:15 local time.
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Live stream says they'll be back at 10:15 local time.
Thanks!
So that would mean about 11.15 Eastern time, I assume.
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:facepalm2:
Gaetz says Rittenhouse would make 'great' intern
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/582116-gaetz-says-rittenhouse-would-make-great-intern
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:facepalm2:
Gaetz says Rittenhouse would make 'great' intern
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/582116-gaetz-says-rittenhouse-would-make-great-intern
Nanzi's Censure gavel is still smoking. Gaetz is just poking into the cage..
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Nanzi's Censure gavel is still smoking. Gaetz is just poking into the cage..
If ever there was a cage that needed poking, this is a good one.
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If ever there was a cage that needed poking, this is a good one.
:thumbsup:
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An acquittal announced at 5 pm tomorrow would be a perfect storm.
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Just a friendly reminder that a skateboard can be (and has proven to be) a lethal weapon:
... The Orange County coroner’s office identified the man killed Nov. 24 at a Starbucks as Ozro Robert Lee, a resident of Santa Ana.
Detectives believe that Lee walked into the coffee shop in the 3300 block of South Bristol Street in Santa Ana and approached a man in his 20s.
At some point, the two got into a verbal and physical fight, with the younger man using a skateboard, said Santa Ana police Cpl. Anthony Bertagna.
Lee went into cardiac arrest after being struck and was pronounced dead at a hospital, Bertagna said. ... Story from 2015, L.A. Times (https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-man-killed-skateboard-starbucks-convicted-sex-crime-20151130-story.html)
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Harris Faulkner is breaking news that the original video of higher resolution was exclusively from Fox News. Jonathon Hunt is reporting he was on the ground the day of the shootings, it was their video.
My question: How did the prosecuion get it?
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Harris Faulkner is breaking news that the original video of higher resolution was exclusively from Fox News. Jonathon Hunt is reporting he was on the ground the day of the shootings, it was their video.
My question: How did the defense get it?
The defense, or the prosecution?
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Fox video ....
https://mobile.twitter.com/FuarFearg/status/1461156993553600516
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The defense, or the prosecution?
Proscution. (Thanks, I corrected my post. @Kamaji )
More info in the tweet above this post.
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Proscution. More info in the tweet above this post.
:thumbsup:
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Harris Faulkner is breaking news that the original video of higher resolution was exclusively from Fox News. Jonathon Hunt is reporting he was on the ground the day of the shootings, it was their video.
My question: How did the prosecuion get it?
I wonder if Faulkner is ratting out her own employer.
I hope it doesn’t turn out the HD version was in the public domain and the defense missed it.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1461362406039306257
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https://twitter.com/KenoshaPolice/status/1461379089542135812
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https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1461383661924888576
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I wonder if Faulkner is ratting out her own employer.
I hope it doesn’t turn out the HD version was in the public domain and the defense missed it.
I don't think Faulkner's ratting out her own employer. Apparently, the prosecution admitted it got the video from a fox news broadcast. I'm guessing the prosecution still withheld a video and used it at trial. That should still be a "no-no". @skeeter
https://mobile.twitter.com/FuarFearg/status/1461156993553600516
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Courtroom Video is now active.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ids0kzPhl08 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ids0kzPhl08)
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Judge says nobody from MSNBC will be allowed in the building for the duration of the trial.
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https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1461383661924888576
How much more does the judge need to declare a mistrlal--with prejudice????
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https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1461383661924888576
Oh boy
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Julio Rosas
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🚨🚨🚨 Judge Schroeder: Kenosha police reported someone followed the bus carrying the Rittenhouse jurors last night while claiming to work for MSNBC. It is under investigation. No one working for MSNBC will be allowed inside the courthouse for the duration of the trial.
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Judge says nobody from MSNBC will be allowed in the building for the duration of the trial.
So I guess we know which media outlet that unknown person who was arrested by the Kenosha police is from.
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Ian Miles Cheong @ stillgray.substack.com
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Judge Schroeder is making a statement about an arrest being made by Kenosha PD after a Kyle Rittenhouse juror was followed by someone who claimed to work for NBC or MSNBC.
The judge just ordered that NBC News/MSNBC not be permitted in the trial.
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Charlie Kirk
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The Rittenhouse Judge just revealed that an MSNBC employee reportedly followed jurors and was arrested by Kenosha Police.
This is jury intimidation. It's what happens when MSNBC gives a platform to racist apparatchiks like Joy Reid to baselessly smear a defendant.
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https://twitter.com/Timcast/status/1461387195839926273
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Joe Concha
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Man claims to be James T. Morrison of MSNBC. He says he was under orders to follow and photograph the jury, per the judge.
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Julio Rosas
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🚨🚨🚨 Judge Schroeder: Kenosha police reported someone followed the bus carrying the Rittenhouse jurors last night while claiming to work for MSNBC. It is under investigation. No one working for MSNBC will be allowed inside the courthouse for the duration of the trial.
So....MSNBC will drum up riots from the outside.
How much jury tampering and prosecution malfeasance is the judge going to permit?? Declare a mistrial with prejudice and end this!!
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Harris Faulkner says they've reached out to MSNBC to see if they'd like to comment.
:rolling:
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So....MSNBC will drum up riots from the outside.
How much jury tampering and prosecution malfeasance is the judge going to permit?? Declare a mistrial with prejudice and end this!!
It's not just about drumming up riots, it's about doxxing the jurors and, most likely, giving that information to third parties who would use it to intimidate the jurors.
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https://twitter.com/charliekirk11/status/1461388532853870592
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So....MSNBC will drum up riots from the outside.
How much jury tampering and prosecution malfeasance is the judge going to permit?? Declare a mistrial with prejudice and end this!!
Bigger so people can see it! Should have been done long ago!
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Ian Miles Cheong @ stillgray.substack.com
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Judge Schroeder is making a statement about an arrest being made by Kenosha PD after a Kyle Rittenhouse juror was followed by someone who claimed to work for NBC or MSNBC.
The judge just ordered that NBC News/MSNBC not be permitted in the trial.
so much for the Kenosha PDs statement denying media malfeasance re: the jury.
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TheLeoTerrell
@TheLeoTerrell
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Sorry Joy Reid. #MSNBC has been banned by the Judge in the Rittenhouse case. Hallelujah
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https://twitter.com/brianstelter/status/1461395454017556489
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Ian Miles Cheong @ stillgray.substack.com
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NBC News just admitted that the person following the jury bus in the Rittenhouse trial was working for them.
NBC News claims he "never contacted or intended to contact the jurors" or that he intended to photograph them. Why blow through a red light following them, then?
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Ian Miles Cheong @ stillgray.substack.com
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NBC News just admitted that the person following the jury bus in the Rittenhouse trial was working for them.
NBC News claims he "never contacted or intended to contact the jurors" or that he intended to photograph them. Why blow through a red light following them, then?
Exactly.
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Exactly.
If he just gets the addressees where they are dropped off, the rioters know where to go.
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MSNBC slime has basically been a work in progress to put the jurors in danger.
This is past rogue. This is likely co-conspiring with Antifa and BLM terrorist.
Time to clean house..... All responsible need to be brought to account.
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If he just gets the addressees where they are dropped off, the rioters know where to go.
The rioters, or worse - a couple of trained thugs who B&E and terrorize the juror and their family in their own home. Or a doxxing expert who calls in the middle of the night, saying "I know about x, y, and z, and if you want that to remain private, you will vote to convict."
Considering the current parlous state of the FBI, I wouldn't completely discount the possibility that the Brownshirts have one or more moles within the FBI (or other agencies) who can quickly obtain the necessary dirt and compromat needed to turn a juror.
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I hope there was a "dummy" bus or 20 with the same description of the real bus one has to choose from to follow the jurors.
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Did I hear correctly that the MSDNC producer was arrested for following the jurors?
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MSNBC slime has basically been a work in progress to put the jurors in danger.
This is past rogue. This is likely co-conspiring with Antifa and BLM terrorist.
Time to clean house..... All responsible need to be brought to account.
If anyone by this point doesn't understand who the pundits in the MSM sympathize and who they identify with...they haven't been paying attention.
Unlike you myself and everyone else here.
The MSM is rooting for ANTIFA and BLM and will always do what they can to aid and abet the terrorists both foreign and domestic.
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Did I hear correctly that the MSDNC producer was arrested for following the jurors?
Apparently, a freelancer for MSNBC, who has stated he was told to follow the bus, was stopped for running a red light while following the bus, and that traffic stop resulted ultimately in his arrest.
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If anyone by this point doesn't understand who the pundits in the MSM sympathize and who they identify with...they haven't been paying attention.
Unlike you myself and everyone else here.
The MSM is rooting for ANTIFA and BLM and will always do what they can to aid and abet the terrorists both foreign and domestic.
Once they have the information, they have a "leak", and the damage is done.
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"Freelancer," but ...
Ian Miles Cheong @ stillgray.substack.com
@stillgray
Any confirmation on this?
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12:53 PM · Nov 18, 2021
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Kenosha Police Dept.
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Last night a person who is alleging to be affiliated with a national media outlet was briefly taken into custody and issued several traffic related citations. Police suspect this person was trying to photograph jurors. This incident is being investigated much further.
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Once they have the information, they have a "leak", and the damage is done.
QFT
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I suppose one of the ultimate questions is whether any of the jurors know that this happened. If they do, then I would argue the jury has been irretrievably tainted.
Unfortunately, since this cannot be laid at the feet of the prosecution, it is quite likely that it will be used to grant a mistrial without prejudice, thereby giving the prosecution a second bite at the apple, a second bite they should otherwise have been denied based on their own misconduct.
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Ian Miles Cheong @ stillgray.substack.com
@stillgray
Here's the facts: NBC News producer Irene Byon instructed James J. Morrison to follow the bus transporting the Kyle Rittenhouse jury.
Jurors have expressed concerns over getting doxed and having their safety threatened.
Morrison smashed through a red light to follow them.
1:26 PM · Nov 18, 2021·
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https://twitter.com/JonathanTurley/status/1461396364152168454
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Jack Posobiec 🇺🇸
@JackPosobiec
Let me clear up this tweet:
The holdouts would prefer a *MISTRIAL* or conviction on a lesser count
They know he didnt break the law but they don’t want the reputational backlash that would come from responsibility for it
If they don't have what it takes to do their civic duty, then they should have admitted that to the judge up front.
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Apparently, a freelancer for MSNBC, who has stated he was told to follow the bus, was stopped for running a red light while following the bus, and that traffic stop resulted ultimately in his arrest.
Just when you thought the approval and trust ratings for the MSM couldn't go any lower.
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"Freelancer," but ...
Ian Miles Cheong @ stillgray.substack.com
@stillgray
Any confirmation on this?
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12:53 PM · Nov 18, 2021
She also nuked her LinkedIN account. I visited that page less than an hour ago, and now it's been shut down. Too bad I didn't take a screen shot.
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Judge says nobody from MSNBC will be allowed in the building for the duration of the trial.
Sweet.
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If they don't have what it takes to do their civic duty, then they should have admitted that to the judge up front.
IIRC there was a total of 18 jurors and 12 were picked to decide the verdict. IMHO the judge should pull the two squeamish ones out put two alternates in and send them out to go vote on a verdict.
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Anyone from parent company NBC that's in Kenosha as well as the local NBC affiliate should be banned too.
This is one of those times where group punishment needs to happen in order to send a message and for maximum pain across the board for the network.
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Anyone from parent company NBC that's in Kenosha as well as the local NBC affiliate should be banned too.
This is one of those times where group punishment needs to happen in order to send a message and for maximum pain across the board for the network.
Yes. This blows way past journalistic malfeasance and straight into a whole 'nuther realm. What MSNBC is apparently promoting is the textbook definition of terrorism.
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This just reinforces the punishment I think shouldbe delivered to MSNBC, NBC and the Kenosha affiliate.
Judge Schroeder reveals someone filmed the Kyle Rittenhouse jurors when they were picked up by the bus this morning. Schroeder said deputies made the person delete the video and added more steps will be taken to prevent something like that from happening again.
— Julio Rosas (@Julio_Rosas11) November 9, 2021
Today wasn't an isolated incident.
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This just reinforces the punishment I think shouldbe delivered to MSNBC, NBC and the Kenosha affiliate.
Today wasn't an isolated incident.
Deleting the video doesn't make it go away.
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This just reinforces the punishment I think shouldbe delivered to MSNBC, NBC and the Kenosha affiliate.
Today wasn't an isolated incident.
I suspect that these are attempts to goad the judge into granting a mistrial without prejudice so that the prosecution can get a second bite at the apple, notwithstanding their malfeasance in this trial.
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Deleting the video doesn't make it go away.
No it doesn't. It makes the whole incident that much worse.
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Jonathan Turley
@JonathanTurley
The seriousness of this incident cannot be overstated. It is not simply because the police suspected MSNBC was trying to take their pictures. If the jurors believed that they were being followed, it could add to their unease about voting in the case.
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Nor would schools provide excused absences for students to go hunting during hunting season. And the State wouldn't be selling gun hunting licenses for people under 18 either.
When I lived up north, opening day was a legal absence day, for anyone that went hunting. If you did not get a deer opening day, the administration would turn a blind eye to up to 3 more days. This was a poor rural community and a deer or two in the freezer went a long way to preventing a skinny Christmas.
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Jonathan Turley
@JonathanTurley
The seriousness of this incident cannot be overstated. It is not simply because the police suspected MSNBC was trying to take their pictures. If the jurors believed that they were being followed, it could add to their unease about voting in the case.
If the jurors are aware of any of this, then a mistrial becomes almost mandatory, and since these actions can't be laid at the feet of the prosecution, any such mistrial is likely to be without prejudice.
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https://twitter.com/GabbyBachara/status/1461394134506291204
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https://twitter.com/GabbyBachara/status/1461394134506291204
Is this just the Sheriff feeling guilty for not protecting his community the first go around that led to all this?
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NBC News Confirms Rittenhouse Trial Incident; Does Not Deny ‘Freelancer’ Was Told to Follow Jury
NBC News confirmed that a “freelancer” was ticketed near a bus filled with jurors on the Kyle Rittenhouse trial in Kenosha, Wisconsin.
https://www.breitbart.com/the-media/2021/11/18/nbc-news-confirms-rittenhouse-trial-incident-does-not-deny-freelancer-was-told-to-follow-jury/
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Jonathan Turley: MSNBC ‘Moronic’ for Allegedly Following Rittenhouse Jury in ‘City on the Edge’
George Washington University law professor Jonathan Turley said Thursday that MSNBC’s alleged attempt to follow the jury in the Kyle Rittenhouse trial in Kenosha, Wisconsin, was “moronic” and endangered a city already “on the edge.”
https://www.breitbart.com/the-media/2021/11/18/jonathan-turley-msnbc-moronic-for-allegedly-following-rittenhouse-jury-in-city-on-the-edge/
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Is this just the Sheriff feeling guilty for not protecting his community the first go around that led to all this?
I think it's probably just typical upper-Midwest niceness. In my experience they're some of the nicest, most polite people you'd ever want to meet for the most part.
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https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1461426205824008192
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Is it wrong that with this latest request for the "enhanced" image from the jury, I really want there to be another argument between the prosecution and defense in the courtroom ... just so MSNBC can twiddle their thumbs while everyone else covers it live??
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If the jurors are aware of any of this, then a mistrial becomes almost mandatory, and since these actions can't be laid at the feet of the prosecution, any such mistrial is likely to be without prejudice.
Any juror that has children/grandchildren knows that the schools have all gone to at home video learning because the schools are closed in anticipation of the verdict. The judge told them not to talk about it while out shopping or going out to eat. You know thats the thing everyone in town is talking about! No one knows they are on the jury. How can they not hear people talking or not be drawn into a conversation when it’s all around them. They should have been sequestered.
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The Shameless Lying and Obfuscating Begins After MSNBC Is Booted From the Rittenhouse Trial
As RedState reported earlier this afternoon, the judge in the Kyle Rittenhouse case set off another round of consternation by banning leftwing network MSNBC from the courtroom. Immediately, leftwing figures moved to once again accuse him of bias and of being “MAGA.” You know, because enforcing basic safety rules means he must be a biased Trump fan.
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1461391060962316292
Of course, Judge Schroeder had an excellent reason to do what he did. The MNSBC journalist in question was following the jury bus, attempting to take pictures of them. He even ran a red light while doing so, and there is absolutely no reason to do that unless the goal was for MSNBC to eventually target them, almost assuredly leading to their exposure. And if the verdict doesn’t come back guilty, those jurors are going to be in real danger.
Now, NBC News has put out a statement that can only be described as a mixture of lying and obfuscation. Note that it is CNN’s Brian Stelter playing the role of Baghdad Bob here, shamelessly repeating the denial of wrongdoing without commenting on how it makes no sense.
more
https://redstate.com/bonchie/2021/11/18/the-shameless-lying-and-obfuscating-begins-after-msnbc-is-booted-from-the-rittenhouse-trial-n478110
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So....MSNBC will drum up riots from the outside.
How much jury tampering and prosecution malfeasance is the judge going to permit?? Declare a mistrial with prejudice and end this!!
It May end the trial, but it won't end the civil unrest or the consequences.
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I think it's probably just typical upper-Midwest niceness. In my experience they're some of the nicest, most polite people you'd ever want to meet for the most part.
Except for me. I'm a big meany. I took my nastiness with me to the desert. happy77
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EXCLUSIVE: 'Jump-kick man' who was filmed kicking Kyle Rittenhouse in the head before the teen shot at him is revealed as a career criminal with an open domestic violence charge for 'throwing his girlfriend to the ground and attacking her'
Maurice Freeland, 39, has admitted that he was the one who kicked Kyle Rittenhouse in the head on the night of August 25,2020
Rittenhouse is charged with First Degree Recklessly Endangering Safety of Freeland, who was only known as 'jump-kick man'
The state has painted all these actors as heroes attempting to take down an 'active shooter'
But DailyMail.com can reveal that at the time of the 2020 incident Freeland was out on bond and is a career criminal
He was charged with Battery Domestic Abuse, Criminal Damage to Property Domestic Abuse and Disorderly Conduct Domestic Abuse
Freeland was charged for an incident that took place on March 23, 2020 between Freeland and his partner Monalisa N McDuffie
McDuffie told police that Freeland 'threw her to the ground and kicked her in her lower right ribcage…then began punching the television'
By Laura Collins, Chief Investigative Reporter In Kenosha, Wisconsin For Dailymail.Com
Published: 10:23 EST, 18 November 2021 | Updated: 13:29 EST, 18 November 2021
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A career criminal and convicted felon with an open domestic violence charge has claimed to be the unidentified male at whom Kyle Rittenhouse shot twice at close range but missed, on the night of August 25, 2020.
Rittenhouse has been charged with First Degree Recklessly Endangering Safety of the man known in trial only as 'jump-kick man,' for the flying kick he took at the teenager's head as Rittenhouse was attacked minutes after he shot Joseph Rosenbaum dead.
Now Maurice Freeland, 39, has admitted that he was the one who kicked Rittenhouse in the head and narrowly avoided being shot as a result, after the then 17-year-old stumbled to the ground as he attempted to flee.
Moments later Anthony Huber swung at Rittenhouse with his skateboard for a second time, grabbing for the AR-15 that was slung across his chest. Rittenhouse fired once, shooting Huber in the chest at point blank range.
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10217197/Jump-kick-man-filmed-kicking-Kyle-Rittenhouse-head-revealed.html
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Maurice jump kick man wants his face on those hero posters!
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Except for me. I'm a big meany. I took my nastiness with me to the desert. happy77
Ms. Slippy told me that you're the exception that proves the rule. :police:
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https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1461441805799632901
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https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1461441805799632901
Can any speculation be gleaned from these requests?
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Can any speculation be gleaned from these requests?
I am guessing from the handwriting that they probably didn't go to Catholic school.
(No idea.)
:shrug:
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I am guessing from the handwriting that they probably didn't go to Catholic school.
(No idea.)
:shrug:
:silly:
:thumbsup:
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Can any speculation be gleaned from these requests?
There was a long discussion on the Rekieta Law live stream (linked above) of the handwriting and wording of the requests. Their conclusion is that a well-to-do, entitled Karen got elected as the jury foreperson. The general feeling of the panel is that it is this foreperson who is refusing to accept the self defense argument, and is now trying to browbeat the other jurors into seeing her point of view.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1461428152224395264
Irene Byon Tweets & Replies:[/b[ https://imgur.com/a/404oion
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https://mobile.twitter.com/ColumbiaBugle/status/1461452504609263623
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Hearing jury is done deliberations for the day, per courtroom member
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@JackPosobiec
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Hearing jury is done deliberations for the day, per courtroom member
Must be aiming for a Friday PM verdict. A great idea.
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Hearing jury is done deliberations for the day, per courtroom member
This damn jury should have been sequestered from day one.
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Hearing jury is done deliberations for the day, per courtroom member
One of the jurors asked to take their jury instructions home with them tonight, and the judge allowed it.
The Rekieta panel is almost certain there's a rogue juror (at least one) hell-bent on conviction, who is refusing to give in.
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If I was on the Rittenhouse defense team, I'd consider asking the judge to dismiss the jury and issue a bench/directed verdict on his own.
Although it's possible for a defendant to choose a "bench trial" (trial conducted by a judge without a jury, who hears the case and then issues a verdict), I DON'T know if a defendant can request "a switch" [to one] in the middle of the trial, or while the jury is deliberating.
I sense that the judge would either acquit Rittenhouse or else issue a "mistrial with prejudice" based on the prosecution's misbehavior.
Again, don't know if such a switch can be done once a jury trial has commenced.
Of course, the judge could declare a mistrial in any case...
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This damn jury should have been sequestered from day one.
Exactly!
Just glad it's a week before Thanksgiving and not a week before Easter. (weather)
Can imagine it's no fun rioting and looting in below freezing temperatures.
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Sorry I had to laugh... :silly:
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Must be aiming for a Friday PM verdict. A great idea.
Along with a big announcement earlier that afternoon that the verdict will be announced just before it starts getting dark.
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One of the jurors asked to take their jury instructions home with them tonight, and the judge allowed it.
The Rekieta panel is almost certain there's a rogue juror (at least one) hell-bent on conviction, who is refusing to give in.
In which case the result will be a hung jury, and the judge will have to rule on the mistrial motions.
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Sorry I had to laugh... :silly:
Don't apologize, I did too.
@mystery-ak
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In which case the result will be a hung jury, and the judge will have to rule on the mistrial motions.
Which is what he should have done on day one! He has already provided the media much more of a circus than was necessary if you ask me.
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Along with a big announcement earlier that afternoon that the verdict will be announced just before it starts getting dark.
And all businesses will close at noon and the police departments will close at 4:00 pm.
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And all businesses will close at noon and the police departments will close at 4:00 pm.
Schools already went to all remote learning.
Mob rule is becoming the norm.
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I am guessing from the handwriting that they probably didn't go to Catholic school.
(No idea.)
:shrug:
Dunno. Between texting and typing, I write so little longhand I am appalled at my own penmanship any more.
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For easier viewing:
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And all businesses will close at noon and the police departments will close at 4:00 pm.
For their own safety, national guard troops will be kept in reserve at least 8 miles from the downtown area, in case the riot spills over into the suburbs.
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Dunno. Between texting and typing, I write so little longhand I am appalled at my own penmanship any more.
And to be fair, s/he probably would have put more effort into it if s/he had known the entire internet would be looking at it and trying to glean some possibly-sinister connotations from how s/he dotted the i's and crossed the t's. :laugh:
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NBC and MSNBC BANNED From Rittenhouse Trial for Following Jury Bus. They want to intimidate the jury so bad they can taste it.
https://thelibertydaily.com/msnbc-banned-from-rittenhouse-trial-for-following-jury-bus/
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Jonathan Turley
@JonathanTurley
The seriousness of this incident cannot be overstated. It is not simply because the police suspected MSNBC was trying to take their pictures. If the jurors believed that they were being followed, it could add to their unease about voting in the case.
@txradioguy
And you can bet the farm there has been anoynmous threats to murder the jury members and their familes.
The media just hasn't mentioned it.
You can bet your ass the media would have mentioned death threats to the jury and their families if it were a black man on trial for murdering a white man.
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Dunno. Between texting and typing, I write so little longhand I am appalled at my own penmanship any more.
I can barely write (hand write) at all anymore I do it so rarely...
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I can barely write (hand write) at all anymore I do it so rarely...
I recently realized I'm losing handwriting as well. When I do it it feels like I'm using someone else's hand.
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When I lived up north, opening day was a legal absence day, for anyone that went hunting. If you did not get a deer opening day, the administration would turn a blind eye to up to 3 more days. This was a poor rural community and a deer or two in the freezer went a long way to preventing a skinny Christmas.
@verga @Hoodat
I have mentioned before that when I was going to high school,I would go duck hunting before school began,and then walk into the school carrying my 12 gauge double barrel shotgun and lock it away in my hall locker until school had ended.
AFAIK,nobody even paid any attention to either me or the shotgun.
Granted,it was a rural school where pretty much every kid in the counter knew every other kid in the county,as well as their mothers and fathers.
Just accepting responsibility without even thinking about it was normal for rural kids. They also piloted boats and operated heavy machinery. It was just a part of normal life for them.
City kids might have gotten away with pointing toy guns at other kids and shouting "bang,bang,you're dead!",but that's because they didn't have real guns. Rural kids had real guns,and lived in fear of somebody telling their mother they had been pointing them at someone. They knew not only would their gun be taken away,but they also knew their mama's would just fry their asses at random times with no warning if they caught them playing games with their guns.
BTW,I got that 12 gauge from my father by winning a bet on who would be elected President,Eisenhower,or some Dim loser. I picked Ike,and got a 12 gauge out of it.
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Considering the current parlous state of the FBI, I wouldn't completely discount the possibility that the Brownshirts have one or more moles within the FBI (or other agencies) who can quickly obtain the necessary dirt and compromat needed to turn a juror.
@Kamaji
I would bet money on it,and I am NOT a "betting man".
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https://mobile.twitter.com/seanmdav/status/1461387301356032009
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When I lived up north, opening day was a legal absence day, for anyone that went hunting. If you did not get a deer opening day, the administration would turn a blind eye to up to 3 more days. This was a poor rural community and a deer or two in the freezer went a long way to preventing a skinny Christmas.
It's that way in the 'Boro, but we only got one day. I think Augusta Co. schools may have gotten more. The principal at our Jr. High (now a middle school) was a bigtime duck hunter, and even he would take an excused day off to go hunting.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/seanmdav/status/1461387301356032009
Have people always been this EVIL? I keep getting shocked at people's behaviors. I.e. Joy Reid. Accomplished liar.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1461508268874944512
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https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1461508268874944512
OMG Why does he think that?.....yikes!
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https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1461508268874944512
That's a shame. However, it will, ultimately, force the judge to rule on the motions for a mistrial.
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MSNBC's position is seriously that they weren't intimidating the jurors, they were just stalking them. For now.
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Has Jury Foreperson Gone Rogue And Holding Back Acquittal?
Legal Insurrection by Andrew Branca Thursday, November 18, 2021 at 08:03pm
https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/11/rittenhouse-verdict-watch-has-jury-foreperson-gone-rogue-and-holding-back-acquittal/ (https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/11/rittenhouse-verdict-watch-has-jury-foreperson-gone-rogue-and-holding-back-acquittal/)
Judge allowing the jury to take home instructions raises concerns they’ll play the “dictionary game”
Today completed the third day of jury deliberations in the trial of Kyle Rittenhouse, with no verdict being achieved before the jury was sent home for the day.
There wasn’t much real action today, with the exception of a couple of notable events, and my own increasing belief that we’re dealing with a single hold-out juror for guilt, and that this juror is #54, the foreperson.
When the jury was brought into the courtroom for purposes of dismissal, shortly after 4:00 p.m. Wisconsin time, Judge Schroeder imprudently asked if any of them had any questions for him. One did. A woman juror asked if she could be permitted to take home a copy of the 36 or so pages of jury instructions.
The judge looked over at the parties, and although the State appeared to make no particular signal, defense Attorney Marc Richards shook his head slightly but observably in the negative.
Despite this, Judge Schroeder announced that he would agree to the request and that the same option would be extended to all the jurors. Whether only the one juror who made the request ultimately took home the instructions, or whether multiple or even all jurors did so, is unknown.
Frankly, it’s rather remarkable that any juror who had already been struggling with the instructions for more than 7 hours today alone, as well as the two prior days, would be interested in continuing to work with that at home in the evenings.
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My Suspicion: Juror #54, Foreperson, Is the Holdout Against Acquittal
I have a growing suspicion that this jury has not yet arrived at a unanimous verdict of acquittal only because of the resistance of juror #54, a woman who also happens to be the foreperson, who seems to be the hold-out against acquittal.
The jury selection risk to Kyle was always going to be that a “mask Karen” type, usually of leftist political persuasion, bossy, entitled, and status-sensitive, would be seated on the jury. Such a person would be most unlikely to ever vote for acquittal—her social group would necessarily know she had done so, given the unanimous nature of an acquittal.
In addition, this type of person is likely to seize the leadership position of foreperson on a jury, to suit their bossy and entitled nature. Such a person also tends to be outspoken and forward in circumstances where other people would defer to apparently higher authority.
There has been one apparently female juror who on several occasions can be overheard being unusually familiar with Judge Schroeder—not in the sense of knowing him personally, but in the sense of engaging in a relaxed discussion that one does not usually find between a juror and a trial judge.
Then we have the jury note from yesterday asking for access to the Exhibit #5 drone video footage and related evidence. It was written by juror #54, the jury foreperson, and an apparent woman:
The tone of that note suggests to me that the person who wrote it is accustomed to giving orders to underlings—personal assistants, staff, household help—and here the note is being addressed in this tone to the trial judge as if the judge were a staffer to the jury foreperson.
Then this evening we had the very unusual request to be permitted to take the jury instructions home, made by a single juror—a female juror.
I suspect that all of this conduct is that of juror #54, the female foreperson of this jury—who I suspect is precisely the kind of “mask Karen,” left-leaning, bossy, entitled, and status-sensitive juror that would be most likely to hold out against acquittal.
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I suspect that all of this conduct is that of juror #54, the female foreperson of this jury—who I suspect is precisely the kind of “mask Karen,” left-leaning, bossy, entitled, and status-sensitive juror that would be most likely to hold out against acquittal.
Interesting...I think it is a woman that is the hold-out here too....a *Karen*...probably.
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Interesting...I think it is a woman that is the hold-out here too....a *Karen*...probably.
To be honest, I really think the rules on acquittal and conviction should be modified. There should be no such thing as a hung jury in a criminal trial. There should only be two options: conviction, based on a unanimous vote of the jurors, or acquittal if a conviction cannot be obtained. The fact that not all jurors will vote for conviction should mean that the prosecution clearly did not meet its obligation to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.
Anything else simply incentivizes prosecutors to use the first trial as a test-bed, to try out various theories and hobby-horses, secure in the knowledge that they can get a mulligan and get a second trial even if they can't get a conviction, so long as at least one juror is willing to vote for conviction instead of acquittal.
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I agree, @Kamaji
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OMG Why does he think that?.....yikes!
Based on another tweet/article I read earlier, it was just his gut feeling from how they looked when they came in to be dismissed at the end of the day. They didn't he had anything more concrete to go on other than that ... but who knows.
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To be honest, I really think the rules on acquittal and conviction should be modified. There should be no such thing as a hung jury in a criminal trial. There should only be two options: conviction, based on a unanimous vote of the jurors, or acquittal if a conviction cannot be obtained. The fact that not all jurors will vote for conviction should mean that the prosecution clearly did not meet its obligation to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.
Anything else simply incentivizes prosecutors to use the first trial as a test-bed, to try out various theories and hobby-horses, secure in the knowledge that they can get a mulligan and get a second trial even if they can't get a conviction, so long as at least one juror is willing to vote for conviction instead of acquittal.
That would certainly add weight to the presumption of innocence.
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That's a shame. However, it will, ultimately, force the judge to rule on the motions for a mistrial.
Add trial by jury of ones peers to the growing list of institution destroyed by the left.
They’re batting a thousand.
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OMG Why does he think that?.....yikes!
It's really not a "yikes". Whether it's 11-1 or 6-6; it's a hung jury. And we'll get to know the judge's verdict on a mistrial with prejudice.
@mystery-ak
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https://mobile.twitter.com/ColumbiaBugle/status/1461525071030366208
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@verga @Hoodat
I have mentioned before that when I was going to high school,I would go duck hunting before school began,and then walk into the school carrying my 12 gauge double barrel shotgun and lock it away in my hall locker until school had ended.
AFAIK,nobody even paid any attention to either me or the shotgun.
Granted,it was a rural school where pretty much every kid in the counter knew every other kid in the county,as well as their mothers and fathers.
Just accepting responsibility without even thinking about it was normal for rural kids. They also piloted boats and operated heavy machinery. It was just a part of normal life for them.
City kids might have gotten away with pointing toy guns at other kids and shouting "bang,bang,you're dead!",but that's because they didn't have real guns. Rural kids had real guns,and lived in fear of somebody telling their mother they had been pointing them at someone. They knew not only would their gun be taken away,but they also knew their mama's would just fry their asses at random times with no warning if they caught them playing games with their guns.
BTW,I got that 12 gauge from my father by winning a bet on who would be elected President,Eisenhower,or some Dim loser. I picked Ike,and got a 12 gauge out of it.
@sneakypete :thumbsup: Pretty much the same at the school I worked at. The only difference was the kids kept the shot guns locked in the rifle rack, in a locked truck in the parking lot.
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Running towards the police may have been a bad idea.
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@sneakypete :thumbsup: Pretty much the same at the school I worked at. The only difference was the kids kept the shot guns locked in the rifle rack, in a locked truck in the parking lot.
In high school, many of us boys would go ruffed grouse hunting after school. The principal didn’t care if we had the guns in our cars while parked on the school parking lot. His only rule was he didn’t want to see people waving guns out during school hours in the parking lot. As long as they were locked in your vehicle, there was no problem
I think the schools today are more “feminine” from when I was in high school.
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Jurors’ Verdict Count Overheard; May Be Closer Than Expected According To Newsmax
Martin Walsh November 19, 2021
The trial of Kyle Rittenhouse has taken another concerning turn.
A new report from Newsmax alleges that the jurors’ verdict count is a lot closer than many might have thought.
Newsmax reported that sources said the current verdict count is split — 6 to 6.
The Newsmax reporter said he overheard Mark Richards, one of the attorneys for Rittenhouse, say that he believes the jury is at a “6-6 split.”
WATCH:
https://rumble.com/embed/vmu7nb/?pub=4
more
https://conservativebrief.com/count-54822/
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6-6 is Close?
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Suburban Black Man Flag of United States
@goodblackdude
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BREAKING: Day 4 of deliberations in the Kyle Rittenhouse trial are officially underway in Kenosha.
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No Live Videos Yet. I read that they are starting @ 9:30 Today.
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Subornation of Perjury? Photographic Evidence Emerges Online Contradicting Rittenhouse Prosecutors’ Witnesses
https://amgreatness.com/2021/11/18/subornation-of-perjury-photographic-evidence-emerges-online-contradicting-rittenhouse-prosecutors-witnesses/
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6-6 is Close?
I don't think anyone knows..it's just a guessing game filled with dis-information...
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Today's Rekieta Law live stream:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6sWpPdt7aU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6sWpPdt7aU)
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I don't think anyone knows..it's just a guessing game filled with dis-information...
Agree @mystery-ak Now they're back to reporting it's one holdout, Juror #54.
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Agree @mystery-ak Now they're back to reporting it's one holdout, Juror #54.
Let's hope "Karen" gets kicked off the Jury today. Start over with the alternate Juror Monday.....
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https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1461575604462051331
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https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1461540444186284036
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https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1461533408782434306
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https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1461716022239633420
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Let's hope "Karen" gets kicked off the Jury today. Start over with the alternate Juror Monday.....
:thumbsup:
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Let's hope "Karen" gets kicked off the Jury today. Start over with the alternate Juror Monday.....
there is every reason to think he/she should get the boot as this person apparently believes rittenhouse is guilty of murder beyond a reasonable doubt. Which would make them insane by definition.
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https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1461741229088157698
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With the request to bring instructions home with her, it is likely that she is receiving legal counsel. In that event, she should not only be booted from the jury, but she should be criminally prosecuted too.
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Today's Rekieta Law live stream:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6sWpPdt7aU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6sWpPdt7aU)
A bunch of talking lawyers sounds dry and boring, but these lawyers are intelligent and humorous. I’ve thoroughly enjoyed watching them and they have given me a lot of insight into the court proceedings and written laws.
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With the request to bring instructions home with her, it is likely that she is receiving legal counsel. In that event, she should not only be booted from the jury, but she should be criminally prosecuted too.
I still can’t understand why she was allowed to bring anything home from the trial. Any question they have on those instructions is only supposed to be answered by the judge. Her deliberations on them are supposed to be made in the presence of the other jurors. All the jurors go home and think about the details of the trial, but any search for understanding should only be done in the jury room.
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Maybe it's time for a list of the prosecutorial misconduct and other malfeasance in this trial---supporting a mistrlal with prejudice.
Here's my best first attempt. Feel free to edit at will. happy77
Prosecutor misconduct:
1. Prosecution continuing to refer to KR's silence as proof of guilt during the trial when he knew it is not.
2. Withholding of Jump Kick Man's identity and denying defense the right to cross examine.
3. (There is another rioter not called to testify because the DA claimed he was being tried for other charges.)
4. Altering the videos of the “ongoing crime", sending a lower quality video to hamstring its use by the defense.
5. Withholding evidence of a person who had a loaded handgun and pointed same at KR.
6. Withholding video of KR from earlier in the day with the car lot owners. They testified they had never met with KR --- suborning perjury by the DA and denying the defense exculpatory evidence.
7. Prosecutor still refering to KR's rifle as illegal during his closing, after that charge was proven false and dropped.
Other:
1. Jury tampering: protestors within earshot of the jury; MSNBC stalker
2. Change of venue denied
3. Jurors not sequestered.
4. Juror permitted to take trial documents home and work on them outside the jury room.
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I still can’t understand why she was allowed to bring anything home from the trial. Any question they have on those instructions is only supposed to be answered by the judge. Her deliberations on them are supposed to be made in the presence of the other jurors. All the jurors go home and think about the details of the trial, but any search for understanding should only be done in the jury room.
Exacrly @LilLamb This is a big bleep-up by the Judge.
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Heard verdict is in and will be released within the hour.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6sWpPdt7aU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6sWpPdt7aU)
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https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1461741229088157698
This tends to happen when the jury isn't sequetered 9999hair out0000
What a shit show. And a kid's life hangs in the balance.... he could end up in prison for the sin of saving his own life.
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Heard verdict is in and will be released within the hour.
Yes, Darth Crypto just mentioned this on the Rekieta live stream... Jack Posobiec is there also, he immediately blanked his camera "to go make a few calls".
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A bunch of talking lawyers sounds dry and boring, but these lawyers are intelligent and humorous. I’ve thoroughly enjoyed watching them and they have given me a lot of insight into the court proceedings and written laws.
Yes, we've been watching the live stream all day, every day this week in our house. They are all very engaging and know not just how to argue the law, but how to explain the law as well. Very interesting listening!
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Disclose.tv
@disclosetv
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JUST IN - Rittenhouse verdict expected within the next hour - media reports
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Internet is lighting up saying verdict within and hour.......https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1461749489325248517
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:pigs fly: I agree with Andrea Mitchell (albeit for different reasons, I'm sure)
https://mobile.twitter.com/mitchellreports/status/1461750537263718404
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I wonder if a verdict is in, or a decision.
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Oh boy..fasten your seatbelts!
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Jack Po-So-Bik
@JackPosobiec
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Movement in the courthouse
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Tim Pool
@Timcast
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what if they say guilty on all counts
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Suburban Black Man 🇺🇸
@goodblackdude
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I apologize to Kyle Rittenhouse on behalf of so-called adults who let things get so bad, a 17-year-old (at the time) was obligated to take matters into his own hands. That selfless decision robbed him of his final year of childhood. He will never get it back. Shame on the adults!
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Tim Pool
@Timcast
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Verdict....
ON A FRIDAY
What the bleep were they thinking???
Maximum riots??
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https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1461754738874236942
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https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1461754738874236942
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BNO News
@BNONews
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BREAKING: Verdict reached in Kyle Rittenhouse's homicide trial
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Deneen Smith
@deneenknews
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Some activity going on in the courtroom. Deputies just took out family members of victims for a chat. The group went out then returned to the courtroom minutes later.
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The Columbia Bugle 🇺🇸
@ColumbiaBugle
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Prayers for Kyle Rittenhouse and his family.
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Charlie Spiering
@charliespiering
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Jen Psaki says WH will probably react to Kyle Rittenhouse case, and calls for “peaceful protests.”
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Video Live Now
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Here we go!
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Young Americans for Liberty
@YALiberty
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BREAKING: Judge confrims #Rittenhouse verdict is IN...
Jury is entering the courtroom.
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They're standing, so the jury is entering the room.
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Now I wish I hadn't gotten so invested in this trial ......
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Now I wish I hadn't gotten so invested in this trial ......
God’s will be done
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Rosie Memos
@almostjingo
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I feel sick. Praying.
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Bread and circuses
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:terror:
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NG
NG
NG
NG
NG
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All charges Not Guilty
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Thank God!
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YAYZ!
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What the hell took four days?
Better get this young man some security.
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Holy Mary, Mother oF God .... THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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WOOT!
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Is Kenosha on fire yet?
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Let the rioting begin.
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What the hell took four days?
Better get this young man some security.
EXACTLY!
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No one can say they didn't deliberate!!
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HALLELUJAH!!!!
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All charges Not Guilty
Hot diggety dog!!!
Thank God!
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Jack Po-So-Bik
@JackPosobiec
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KYLE RITTENHOUSE ACQUITTED ON ALL CHARGES
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Rittenhouse 2040!
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Thank God indeed. Justice still exists in the United States.
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NanLee
@Desilee1776
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OMG !!!! IS THIS TRUE ?????
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I think we misjudged juror 54. She sounded happy to be delivering the not guilty verdict.
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Peace Frog
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaoryEO1h4U)
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https://twitter.com/DailyCaller/status/1461760316233109506
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Joey Jones
@Johnny_Joey
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The law prevails. Rights protected. God Bless America.
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(https://media.riffsy.com/images/45406c80bbc6f00d0d51f7fe9f528817/tenor.gif)
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Is Kenosha on fire yet?
Seems inevitable. Evers won't do anything about it.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FEk3el3WQAE8EHp?format=jpg&name=900x900)
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Now the DA and ADA need to be charged.
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I think we misjudged juror 54. She sounded happy to be delivering the not guilty verdict.
Yep...that's why we shouldn't listen to all the *know it alls* on twitter..lol
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There is a lot of lessons in this. One, more evidence is the absolute corruption of the media. Plain for the American people to see
Also, the Alzheimer’s in Chief rushed to a conclusion of the character of Rittenhouse. We have no evidence that Rittenhouse is a white supremacist. Even if he was, he still is afforded the innocent till proven guilty
But I don’t believe Rittenhouse is off the hook. You don’t put yourself in a situation that requires you to use lethal force. The verdict was the correct one and I agree with it. But he shouldn’t have been there
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Have a cold beer .... and then sue the crap out of the media, Kyle!
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Let the rioting begin.
No doubt, but I'm thanking God nonetheless.
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Now the DA and ADA need to be charged.
But never will be.
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I’ll bet Twitter is melting down.
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Now the DA and ADA need to be charged.
We need to find out who pressured them to bring the case. I have a sister who is a lawyer and DAs don’t like trials that they know they could lose. So somebody put pressure on them
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Now the DA and ADA need to be charged.
Kyle can file a civil suit for malicious prosecution.
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I hope Kyle has his paperwork ready for all HIS lawsuits now.
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No doubt, but I'm thanking God nonetheless.
I'm thanking G-d no matter what.
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Erick Erickson
@EWErickson
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The system is not perfect, but the system works. It works because people show up and participate. The jurors should be commended.
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Kyle can file a civil suit for malicious prosecution.
I'm more interested in his suits against CNN, MSNBC, and Joe Biden for defamation of character.
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Have a cold beer .... and then sue the crap out of the media, Kyle!
No doubt that’s the next step
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https://twitter.com/CalebJHull/status/1461761093852925961
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https://twitter.com/CalebJHull/status/1461762112691355657
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I think we misjudged juror 54. She sounded happy to be delivering the not guilty verdict.
The bottom line, until the verdict is read, everything is just pure speculation.
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https://twitter.com/FreeBeacon/status/1461761367472549891
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What a relief!
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FEk3LZjXsAA136k?format=jpg&name=large)
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https://twitter.com/JennaEllisEsq/status/1461762647549001740
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Glenn Greenwald
@ggreenwald
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Kyle Rittenhouse collapsed upon hearing the verdict in tears, as any 18-year-old would be in such a heavy situation.
Shame on those who tried to claim his tears were fake. A completely disgraceful performance by the national media. The verdict was just if you watched the trial.
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No doubt that’s the next step
:yowsa: And I wish him every success! But these corrupt to the core prosecutors need dealing with in the worst way!
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https://mobile.twitter.com/ColumbiaBugle/status/1461761308257366021
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Cernovich
@Cernovich
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While Kyle never should have been charged, his courage shined a light on evil and inspired all of us to remain steadfast against evil.
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Candace Owens
@RealCandaceO
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NOT GUILTY.
Kyle Rittenhouse is free.
The criminal mob corporate enterprise that is masquerading as a movement concerned about black lives— FAILS.
Justice wins the day.
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I'm more interested in his suits against CNN, MSNBC, and Joe Biden for defamation of character.
Also an option.
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https://twitter.com/CurtisHouck/status/1461763511747584008
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https://twitter.com/toddstarnes/status/1461763721743765506
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Rittenhouse 2040!
Send Kyle to Texas.... we like his kind.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/ColumbiaBugle/status/1461761308257366021
You can also see his mother's reaction pointing-up she's to the left
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Kyle Rittenhouse’s mom blasts Biden, claims he ‘defamed’ her son
https://nypost.com/2021/11/12/kyle-rittenhouses-mom-wendy-rittenhouse-blasts-biden-claims-he-defamed-her-son/
Sue Biden
Let's Go Biden!
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You can also see his mother's reaction pointing-up she's to the left
Yep. If your heart doesn't go out to both of them in that moment, you probably don't have one.
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Needed this new after congress pisses on the country again.
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Jack Po-So-Bik
@JackPosobiec
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FACEBOOK DECLARED KYLE RITTENHOUSE A MASS MURDERER
PRESERVE YOUR RECORDS ZUCKERBERG
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Graham Allen
@GrahamAllen_1
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Hey @PressSec
Now that Kyle Rittenhouse has been acquitted….
When will @POTUS
apologize for labeling him a White Supremacist?!
Asking for ALL REAL AMERICANS!
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Julie Kelly Flag of United States
@julie_kelly2
No.
This is NOT a win for American justice. This is a horrific example of government prosecutors bringing bogus charges for political reasons. This is a disgraceful day for justice—thank God a dozen Americans exposed what a farce it was.
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Candace Owens
@RealCandaceO
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SUE THEM ALL, KYLE.
EVERY LAST ONE.
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https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1461763474359570437
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Sara Gonzales
@SaraGonzalesTX
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Step two: Kyle Rittenhouse is going to be a very, very rich man when he wins all the defamation lawsuits. And he will deserve every penny.
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Tim Young
@TimRunsHisMouth
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Kyle Rittenhouse needs to sue the shit out of Biden for labeling him a white supremacist.
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https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1461762499661946885
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All charges Not Guilty
@mystery-ak
And the rioting begins in 5...,4...,3...,2....,1!
Now,we ALL know he is going to be physically assaulted by some leftie nutcase anywhere he goes,what are the possibilities of him getting a CCW permit,and what do you think will happen if/when he has no choice but to either drop another dirt bag,or be killed himself?
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https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1461763474359570437
And again someone who doesn’t even know the facts saying Kyle brought gun across state lines and judging his guilt
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TheLeoTerrell
@TheLeoTerrell
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Joy Reid aka Queen of Racism! Do you have a comment regarding the verdict?
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Hallelujah. Self defense is still a protected god given right.
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Now the DA and ADA need to be charged.
@DB
YES!!!!!!
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https://twitter.com/Julio_Rosas11/status/1461765223052947460
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Hallelujah. Self defense is still a protected god given right.
It is but sometimes you will have to defend it in court
Does he have a case against the Alzheimer’s? The Alzheimer’s went on national television and said he was a white Supremist.
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https://twitter.com/CurtisHouck/status/1461763511747584008
These shits will never stop lying.
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Remember when LEO's contributed to Kyle's GoFundMe account
Marina Medvin Flag of United States
@MarinaMedvin
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2m
Every Virginia police officer who was fired for supporting Kyle Rittenhouse needs to have their jobs reinstated with back pay, payment damages, and apologies.
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Here's what they're posting on DU:
DonCoquixote (13,262 posts)
35. the signal is out
now everyone would-be Thug will have a license to kill as many blacks and browns as they want to.
Fla Dem (17,574 posts)
27. Sickening and frightening. Open season to shoot anyone protesting RW authoritative racism.
LiberalLoner (8,452 posts)
42. Yup. They can kill protestors at will, run them over, no problems.
Not too big of a leap to imagine it might be legal to kill all liberals in general, next.
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Caleb Hull
@CalebJHull
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MSNBC is currently arguing that the verdict means that people are no longer safe
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https://twitter.com/JennaEllisEsq/status/1461762647549001740
Totally
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Rep. Gwen Moore
@RepGwenMoore
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A system that legitimizes vigilante murder is deeply broken.
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Kurt Schlichter
@KurtSchlichter
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MEDIA: I am announcing my media availability to talk intense shit about liberal bastards and how they can kiss my ass in the aftermath of this victory over them..
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Here's what they're posting on DU:
DonCoquixote (13,262 posts)
35. the signal is out
now everyone would-be Thug will have a license to kill as many blacks and browns as they want to.
Fla Dem (17,574 posts)
27. Sickening and frightening. Open season to shoot anyone protesting RW authoritative racism.
LiberalLoner (8,452 posts)
42. Yup. They can kill protestors at will, run them over, no problems.
Not too big of a leap to imagine it might be legal to kill all liberals in general, next.
@Hoodat
You’re not exactly dealing with reason and deep thinkers on that site. I go on that site periodically and most of it is just F words
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Kurt Schlichter
@KurtSchlichter
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MEDIA: I am announcing my media availability to talk intense shit about liberal bastards and how they can kiss my ass in the aftermath of this victory over them..
Absolutely!
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Thank the Lord. I will catch up later.
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Marina Medvin 🇺🇸
@MarinaMedvin
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This isn’t just a verdict of freedom for Kyle — this is a verdict of freedom for self defense in America — and a verdict of freedom for the 2nd Amendment.
An American boy and American values prevailed today.
Celebrate.
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Caleb Hull
@CalebJHull
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MSNBC is currently arguing that the verdict means that people are no longer safe
MSNBC needs to be more concerned with the fact that this guy has a case against them
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Here's what they're posting on DU:
DonCoquixote (13,262 posts)
35. the signal is out
now everyone would-be Thug will have a license to kill as many blacks and browns as they want to.
Fla Dem (17,574 posts)
27. Sickening and frightening. Open season to shoot anyone protesting RW authoritative racism.
LiberalLoner (8,452 posts)
42. Yup. They can kill protestors at will, run them over, no problems.
Not too big of a leap to imagine it might be legal to kill all liberals in general, next.
They don't like push back. It would be nice if a lot of armed citizens show up to protect their town tonight.
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I go on that site periodically and most of it is just F words
Consider it that I'm taking one for the team.
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Caleb Hull
@CalebJHull
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8s
MSNBC is currently arguing that the verdict means that people are no longer safe
Does that include the jurors that MSNBC personally stalked? Surprised the even commented at all considering the shit they stepped in.
Kyle.... Sue Sue Sue.... Don't stop until you've accumulated $100M
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Here's what they're posting on DU:
DonCoquixote (13,262 posts)
35. the signal is out
now everyone would-be Thug will have a license to kill as many blacks and browns as they want to.
Fla Dem (17,574 posts)
27. Sickening and frightening. Open season to shoot anyone protesting RW authoritative racism.
LiberalLoner (8,452 posts)
42. Yup. They can kill protestors at will, run them over, no problems.
Not too big of a leap to imagine it might be legal to kill all liberals in general, next.
You're braver than I am; I wouldn't go near that toxic sewer with anything other than an outer-space grade biohazard suit on.
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Kiss markElissa4RealKiss mark
@Elissa4R
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7m
I'm confused..is the definition of white privilege defending oneself against a white child molester who is threatening to kill them?
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Thank God!!!
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Julie Kelly Flag of United States
@julie_kelly2
No.
This is NOT a win for American justice. This is a horrific example of government prosecutors bringing bogus charges for political reasons. This is a disgraceful day for justice—thank God a dozen Americans exposed what a farce it was.
Lets make that bigger so people can see it because that is the exact truth!
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https://twitter.com/GrahamAllen_1/status/1461767454280060937
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Regarding MSNBC:
More like the verdict means that violent rioters/loters are no longer safe
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Jesse Kelly
@JesseKellyDC
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27m
God bless those jurors for doing what’s right in the face of some serious societal pressure. Takes guts.
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Richard Grenell
@RichardGrenell
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13m
The CEO of @gofundme
@timcadogan
has locked his account.
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Rudy W. Giuliani
@RudyGiuliani
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4m
There are many Americans who are,unlike the MSM and the Bidenistas,fair and honest people.The jurors in the Rittenhouse case also showed real courage to overcome the intimidation of the mob outside the courthouse,the MSM lying about the case and Biden’s obstructive remarks.
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Michelle Malkin
@michellemalkin
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1m
Praise the Lord.
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https://twitter.com/Julio_Rosas11/status/1461765223052947460
Good. We're showing up again. Loved the horn beeping at the end of the clip.
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Does that include the jurors that MSNBC personally stalked? Surprised the even commented at all considering the shit they stepped in.
Kyle.... Sue Sue Sue.... Don't stop until you've accumulated $100M
No, don’t stop until you OWN those entities.
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https://twitter.com/TPostMillennial/status/1461768129395187713
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Kyle Rittenhouse’s mom blasts Biden, claims he ‘defamed’ her son
https://nypost.com/2021/11/12/kyle-rittenhouses-mom-wendy-rittenhouse-blasts-biden-claims-he-defamed-her-son/
Sue Biden
Let's Go Biden!
@mystery-ak
Sic em,mom!
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Joe Concha
@JoeConchaTV
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48s
The Kyle Rittenhouse lawsuits against some media outlets and figures will make the Nicholas Sandmann lawsuits look like pennies on the dollar.
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https://twitter.com/toddstarnes/status/1461763721743765506
Given that Kyle has a lot of admirers in Kenosha right now, that might not be the best idea. I'm just saying.
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I think the tolerance that people have for the Democratic Party and their BLM/antifa allies has reached a breaking point
That might’ve played somewhat in the verdict
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Cernovich
@Cernovich
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31m
Time for Kyle Rittenhouse to start suing lying corporate media pedo propagandists and Joe Biden himself.
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Rudy W. Giuliani
@RudyGiuliani
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4m
There are many Americans who are,unlike the MSM and the Bidenistas,fair and honest people.The jurors in the Rittenhouse case also showed real courage to overcome the intimidation of the mob outside the courthouse,the MSM lying about the case and Biden’s obstructive remarks.
This jury sure had a lot of guts .... let's hope the Kenosha PD shows the same guts and protects them.
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This jury sure had a lot of guts .... let's hope the Kenosha PD shows the same guts and protects them.
:thumbsup:
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https://twitter.com/GrahamAllen_1/status/1461767454280060937
I watched that moment and I was surprised at the not guilty verdicts. Yes, it was a powerful moment for justice and the absolute right to defend yourself!!
The president needs to apologize. Let's Go Brandon!
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Kurt Schlichter
@KurtSchlichter
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4m
A lot of people are talking about Kyle filing lawsuits for defamation. Here is how I, a guy who’s won multi million dollars suing people for defamation, begins every analysis of a defamation claim:
You don’t have a good case.
Then I look at the case.
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Tom Cotton
@SenTomCotton
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30m
Joe Biden needs to publicly apologize to Kyle Rittenhouse.
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Tiana Lowe
@TianaTheFirst
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11m
Someone should probably do a wellness check on Joy Reid
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Tom Cotton
@SenTomCotton
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30m
Joe Biden needs to publicly apologize to Kyle Rittenhouse.
Screw that. I wouldn't accept it, anyway.
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It will be ironic if the car dealership that Kyle was trying to protect goes out of business now due to their apparent lying during the trial about Kyle's presence there. I doubt the community will look favorably on that.
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Marina Medvin 🇺🇸
@MarinaMedvin
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13s
This isn’t just a verdict of freedom for Kyle — this is a verdict of freedom for self defense in America — and a verdict of freedom for the 2nd Amendment.
An American boy and American values prevailed today.
Celebrate.
@MarinaMedvin @mystery-ak
Yup! THERE it IS!
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Wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!
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https://twitter.com/AdamBaldwin/status/1461769622131077121
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Jesse Kelly
@JesseKellyDC
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27m
God bless those jurors for doing what’s right in the face of some serious societal pressure. Takes guts.
:amen:
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This jury sure had a lot of guts .... let's hope the Kenosha PD shows the same guts and protects them.
Agreed. Concerns also for the safety of Rittenhouse and his family.
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TheLeoTerrell
@TheLeoTerrell
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24s
Fair minded friends please tune in to @FoxNews
. I will be on throughout the day discussing the #RittenhouseVerdict. Justice prevailed today!
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Caleb Hull
@CalebJHull
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1m
I'd like to take a moment of silence for the news stations who are about to get nuked by Kyle Rittenhouse's legal team
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https://twitter.com/AdamBaldwin/status/1461769622131077121
Racial justice? Those he shot in self defense were ALL White!!
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This also proves that no matter the situation you do maintain the right to self-defense.
Had he have gone there and shot in the crowd. Or, shot at any of these men while they were running away from him, the verdict would’ve probably been different. But it is clearly an act of self-defense even if you have to defend it in court
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🇺🇸 The FJC 🇺🇸
@The_FJC
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12m
We know there are at least two criminals who won't be rioting, burning dumpsters, or attacking innocent people in Kenosha tonight. 🤷♂️
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https://twitter.com/AdamBaldwin/status/1461769622131077121
Cool. Give kyle a gun and have him take care of that slime too.
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Tiana Lowe
@TianaTheFirst
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11m
Someone should probably do a wellness check on Joy Reid
@TianaTheFirst @mystery-ak
Why? I say give it a couple of months.
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Justin Hart
@justin_hart
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1m
Things to reiterate:
- Kyle traveled like 15 miles to his dad's house (that's the "border crossing") Face with rolling eyes
- Kyle's family lived in Kenosha. He felt like he was defending his home town.
- The gun was 100% legal.
- Remember, the police chose to stand down.
Why wouldn't YOU stand up!?
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How fast do you guys think kyle's heart was beating during the verdict reading? I'd guess like 160 BPM.
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It is but sometimes you will have to defend it in court
Does he have a case against the Alzheimer’s? The Alzheimer’s went on national television and said he was a white Supremist.
dunno if he has a case against the Addled One but I have a feeling he and the Covington Kid will soon be hanging out in the same social circles.
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kevin haddad
@kevinhaddad08
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10m
People who still believe that O. J. Simpson was innocent believe Kyle Rittenhouse is guilty.
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How fast do you guys think kyle's heart was beating during the verdict reading? I'd guess like 160 BPM.
After the Chauvin case, you don’t know what a jury that’s under pressure and intimidation would decide
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https://twitter.com/rdrhwke/status/1461763671244394509
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Charlie Hurt
@CharlesHurt
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55s
We are all Kyle Rittenhouse. Thank God for the constitution and the geniuses who created it.
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After the Chauvin case, you don’t know what a jury that’s under pressure and intimidation would decide
I thought this jury would fold. On TOS they were 100% certain that the jurors were split 50/50. I have no faith in the American legal system anymore. But today helped.
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sasha monet
@LabordeSheila
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1m
PROTESTERS PLAN MARCHES TONIGHT IN KENOSHA
Marches...lmao..you mean riots
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I thought this jury would fold. On TOS they were 100% certain that the jurors were split 50/50. I have no faith in the American legal system anymore. But today helped.
Besides being clearly self-defense, I think people are tired and have had enough of rioters
And I also think they’ve reached a breaking point with the media fueling them
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https://twitter.com/mtgreenee/status/1461772213187760132
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Andrew Pollack
@AndrewPollackFL
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12s
The Jury today are brave heroes and deserve your prayers.
May God keep them safe!
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sasha monet
@LabordeSheila
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1m
PROTESTERS PLAN MARCHES TONIGHT IN KENOSHA
Marches...lmao..you mean riots
Mostly peaceful, of course
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Charlie Hurt
@CharlesHurt
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55s
We are all Kyle Rittenhouse. Thank God for the constitution and the geniuses who created it.
Amen.
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Matt Couch
@RealMattCouch
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1m
Reminder to all of the idiots attacking Kyle Rittenhouse on the left that you're standing up for felons & child rapists...
Furthermore, Kyle didn't attack a police officer, he defended himself against ARMED Felons... Take your privilege and shove it where the son doesn't shine!
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sasha monet
@LabordeSheila
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1m
PROTESTERS PLAN MARCHES TONIGHT IN KENOSHA
Marches...lmao..you mean riots
Let Kyle clean 'em up.
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https://twitter.com/jordylancaster/status/1461772371015131137
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Richard Grenell
@RichardGrenell
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13m
The CEO of @gofundme
@timcadogan
has locked his account.
What a coward.
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Ian Miles Cheong @ stillgray.substack.com
@stillgray
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1m
#WhiteSupremacy is trending because a Hispanic kid shot and killed a white pedophile in self-defense, and was acquitted by the jury.
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After the Chauvin case, you don’t know what a jury that’s under pressure and intimidation would decide
I hear you...had there been race involved, I believe the outcome would have been different... just my opinion.
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Saved on Rumble!
https://rumble.com/embed/vmvhn5/?pub=4
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I love Jonathan Turley...just saying..
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Cernovich
@Cernovich
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1m
Enemies of freedom will seek revenge. Stay vigilant.
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sasha monet
@LabordeSheila
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1m
PROTESTERS PLAN MARCHES TONIGHT IN KENOSHA
Marches...lmao..you mean riots
"MARCHES"!
(https://media2.giphy.com/media/qs6ev2pm8g9dS/giphy.gif)
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Wendy Rogers
@WendyRogersAZ
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2m
Kyle Rittenhouse’s pronouns are NOT GUILTY.
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I hear you...had there been race involved, I believe the outcome would have been different... just my opinion.
I don’t. I think the outcome would’ve been the same.
It would’ve just given more fodder for the race baiters. But it clearly was an act of self-defense
I wonder how many of the jurors are secretly grateful for Rittenhouse for relieving us of at least one stain on society
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https://twitter.com/BrianCraigShow/status/1461773197582520320
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Wendy Rogers
@WendyRogersAZ
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2m
Kyle Rittenhouse’s pronouns are NOT GUILTY.
The perfect tweet!
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Suburban Black Man 🇺🇸
@goodblackdude
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20s
Get Lin Wood on the phone. Time to collect. 💰
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Racial justice? Those he shot in self defense were ALL White!!
Precisely, but tell me, from Fergussson, George Zimmerman's trial, the whole George Floyd thing, when, exactly, have these riots been based on facts about an event?
Riot, whether any of the narrative spewed by the FAKE NEWS is true or not.
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Julio Rosas
@Julio_Rosas11
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14m
If you are in shock over the verdict, get better news sources.
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Diamond and Silk®
@DiamondandSilk
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47m
Sue them all Kyle. You can start with Joy Reid of MSNBC!
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Art TakingBack 🇺🇸
@ArtValley818_
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41m
Who should Kyle sue first?
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The ACLU is in fine form. *****rollingeyes*****
https://twitter.com/ACLU/status/1461762962276900890
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And, yes, Thank You, Almighty Father for giving the judge and the people on that jury the Courage to do what is right, please protect them and theirs from any evil.
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https://twitter.com/townhallcom/status/1461774354883223556
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Diamond and Silk®
@DiamondandSilk
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47m
Sue them all Kyle. You can start with Joy Reid of MSNBC!
@mystery-ak
It appears this is a familiar problem with Joy Reid
https://www.google.com/amp/s/deadline.com/2020/07/joy-reid-defamation-lawsuit-1202986220/amp/
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Julio Rosas
@Julio_Rosas11
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14m
If you are in shock over the verdict, get better news sources.
We'll be repeating this often .... happy77
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https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1461775113326665738
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@mystery-ak
It appears this is a familiar problem with Joy Reid
https://www.google.com/amp/s/deadline.com/2020/07/joy-reid-defamation-lawsuit-1202986220/amp/
She must have attorneys on retainer..
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Juanita Broaddrick
@atensnut
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1m
Nick Sandmann wii be on Hannity tonight. Can’t wait.
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Rep. Nadler
@RepJerryNadler
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2m
This heartbreaking verdict is a miscarriage of justice and sets a dangerous precedent which justifies federal review by DOJ. Justice cannot tolerate armed persons crossing state lines looking for trouble while people engage in First Amendment-protected protest.
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She must have attorneys on retainer..
Or she figures MSNBC will just settle on her behalf
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Rep. Nadler
@RepJerryNadler
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2m
This heartbreaking verdict is a miscarriage of justice and sets a dangerous precedent which justifies federal review by DOJ. Justice cannot tolerate armed persons crossing state lines looking for trouble while people engage in First Amendment-protected protest.
Is this the same idiot who claimed antifa didn’t exist while they were burning cities last summer?
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And, yes, Thank You, Almighty Father for giving the judge and the people on that jury the Courage to do what is right, please protect them and theirs from any evil.
:amen:
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Robby Soave
@robbysoave
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1m
MSNBC commentator: "Armed civilians are now a part of American life." Wow, what an entirely unprecedented development.
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Is this the same idiot who claimed antifa didn’t exist while they were burning cities last summer?
Then they equated Antifa with the men who stormed Omaha Beach.
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From Poso tweet above ....
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FElEt62XwAEfcdu?format=jpg&name=large)
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Ronna McDaniel
@GOPChairwoman
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45s
Before he knew the facts, Biden prejudged the Rittenhouse case.
He smeared a teenager to score political points and spread lies about this case.
What Biden did was dangerous and inflammatory.
Biden needs to apologize and ACT NOW before the left uses his lies to fuel violence.
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Rep. Nadler
@RepJerryNadler
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2m
This heartbreaking verdict is a miscarriage of justice and sets a dangerous precedent which justifies federal review by DOJ. Justice cannot tolerate armed persons crossing state lines looking for trouble while people engage in First Amendment-protected protest.
Nice to know that looting, arson, and rioting are protected activities. Think I'll go exercise those protected activities in Nadler's neighborhood soon.
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Robby Soave
@robbysoave
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1m
MSNBC commentator: "Armed civilians are now a part of American life." Wow, what an entirely unprecedented development.
If you think the MSNBC commentator meant that to be satirical, you would be completely wrong!
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https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1461773297109057537
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The Bee is on it!
Rioters Flee In Terror As Kyle Rittenhouse Emerges From Courthouse With AR-15
https://babylonbee.com/news/communist-rioters-scream-and-run-away-in-terror-as-rittenhouse-emerges-from-courthouse
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Suburban Black Man 🇺🇸
@goodblackdude
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1m
Some advice... Get off Twitter if you don’t want to hear about Rittenhouse. It’s a CELEBRATION!
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Donald Trump Jr.
@DonaldJTrumpJr
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27m
The Rittenhouse jury just gave Biden his second colonoscopy of the day.
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https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1461773297109057537
Which simply demonstrates how biased twitter is. All of those comments violate Twitter's terms of service, and yet, they haven't been removed or the posters banned.
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The Rittenhouse jury just gave Biden his second colonoscopy of the day.
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Although I agree with the verdict and it is a huge indictment on the media, one of the rules when you take a concealed carry class is avoid a situation where you may need to use force. I don’t see Rittenhouse as a hero but more of a case of a kid who made a bad decision and put himself in a situation where he had to use deadly force to protect himself
But I do believe he has a case against the media. And I think MSNBC is going to be in some hot water for their little stunt in trying to photographed jurors
For now, Merrick Garland is busy investigating parents at school boards meetings.
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Lisa Boothe
@LisaMarieBoothe
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37s
Regarding the Rittenhouse jury, isn’t it sad that doing the right thing is considered brave in today’s society?
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The Rittenhouse jury just gave Biden his second colonoscopy of the day.
@txradioguy
:silly:
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The Bee is on it!
Rioters Flee In Terror As Kyle Rittenhouse Emerges From Courthouse With AR-15
https://babylonbee.com/news/communist-rioters-scream-and-run-away-in-terror-as-rittenhouse-emerges-from-courthouse
(https://media.babylonbee.com/articles/article-9956-1.jpg)
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Kimberly Atkins Stohr
@KimberlyEAtkins
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5m
Even when you are fully aware of the history in this nation of white armed vigilantism being protected, relied upon and rewarded, it’s still hard when it hits you in the face.
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https://twitter.com/BarrySafley/status/1461770384693506055
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Long thread, but a good one:
https://twitter.com/DrewHolden360/status/1461774470113280009
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https://twitter.com/LabordeSheila/status/1461778517029531649
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https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1461779618969575433
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Donald Trump Jr.
@DonaldJTrumpJr
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1m
Patiently waiting for Lebron James’ inevitable dumb as shit take on todays verdict.
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Kevin McMahon
@Kevin__McMahon
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1m
If Kyle Rittenhouse is a white supremacist, he's got to be one of the worst ones ever.
He shot 3 white people.
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https://twitter.com/CurtisHouck/status/1461780064874516485
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https://twitter.com/TPostMillennial/status/1461780807555686405
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Suburban Black Man 🇺🇸
@goodblackdude
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20s
Rittenhouse Defense Attorney Mark Richards speaking live from outside Kenosha courthouse following full acquittal. Explaining strategy of certain decisions throughout the trial. Says Kyle’s former lawyers wanted to use him for a cause. Richards decided to treat him as “a client.”
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The Rittenhouse jury just gave Biden his second colonoscopy of the day.
And this one came without lube!
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S▪︎H▪︎A▪︎E
@Luv4RWB
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10m
It's calm right now in Kenosha...I fear for when it becomes dark.
Will the BAD ACTORS of BĻM and ĄÑŤÏFĄ be bused in?
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Kurt Eichenwald
@kurteichenwald
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2m
Rittenhouse is a thug. Right wing hero-worship of him is disgusting. GOP members of Congress rush to offer him jobs is obscene. But this case is not about politics, on either side. What matters is the evidence, WI law, and trial standards. Under that, the verdict was correct../1
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https://twitter.com/CariKelemen/status/1461739695541477391
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https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1461782111627751430
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Kurt Eichenwald
@kurteichenwald
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2m
Rittenhouse is a thug. Right wing hero-worship of him is disgusting. GOP members of Congress rush to offer him jobs is obscene. But this case is not about politics, on either side. What matters is the evidence, WI law, and trial standards. Under that, the verdict was correct../1
I love it how the people who make everything about politics always say that "it's not about politics."
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S▪︎H▪︎A▪︎E
@Luv4RWB
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10m
It's calm right now in Kenosha...I fear for when it becomes dark.
Will the BAD ACTORS of BĻM and ĄÑŤÏFĄ be bused in?
It would be a beautiful thing if armed citizens stood at each street corner to protect their town en mass. That would be the end of Antifa and BLM riots.
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https://twitter.com/CurtisHouck/status/1461782220969070592
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Kurt Eichenwald
@kurteichenwald
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2m
Rittenhouse is a thug. Right wing hero-worship of him is disgusting. GOP members of Congress rush to offer him jobs is obscene. But this case is not about politics, on either side. What matters is the evidence, WI law, and trial standards. Under that, the verdict was correct../1
I agree with most of this except I don’t see any evidence as of now that Rittenhouse is a thug
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Although I agree with the verdict and it is a huge indictment on the media, one of the rules when you take a concealed carry class is avoid a situation where you may need to use force.
@LMAO
He wasn't carrying a concealed weapon,and he was there to protect life and private property from LOOTERS AND ARSONISTS.
On top of that,HE attached no one. HE was the one that was attacked,and he was attacked by people with prison records who had the intent to kill or injure him for life.
don’t see Rittenhouse as a hero but more of a case of a kid who made a bad decision and put himself in a situation where he had to use deadly force to protect himself
That's ok. You are allowed to be wrong. The FACTS are that he was retreating from his attackers,and only fired after he had tripped and fallen down,and they were on him with one of them trying to beat his brains out with a skate board.
But I do believe he has a case against the media. And I think MSNBC is going to be in some hot water for their little stunt in trying to photographed jurors
One can only hope.
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Lisa Boothe
@LisaMarieBoothe
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37s
Regarding the Rittenhouse jury, isn’t it sad that doing the right thing is considered brave in today’s society?
@mystery-ak @LisaMarieBoothe
No. Doing the right thing is almost always an act of courage,and EVERYBODY that goes out of their way to do the right thing is a hero.
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Although I agree with the verdict and it is a huge indictment on the media, one of the rules when you take a concealed carry class is avoid a situation where you may need to use force. I don’t see Rittenhouse as a hero but more of a case of a kid who made a bad decision and put himself in a situation where he had to use deadly force to protect himself
But I do believe he has a case against the media. And I think MSNBC is going to be in some hot water for their little stunt in trying to photographed jurors
For now, Merrick Garland is busy investigating parents at school boards meetings.
Sometimes the problem comes to you. What provoked the violent reaction to Kyle? Putting our a burning dumpster the "mostly peaceful protesters" were fixing to push into a building. He retreated, was pursued and attacked, left with no choice but to defend himself, he did.
Now, you can throw all the 'what ifs?' out there you want, but suppose that was your business, your town, your neighborhood that had people running rampant, His main purpose there, despite being armed, was not to shoot people, but to clean graffiti off of walls and deter violence. Apparently, some people thought attacking a guy who was conspicuously armed was a bad idea. It isn't like they didn't know what they were doing. At some point, people who attack a guy who isn't really bothering anyone, who is obviously capable of defending himself, have to be responsible for the results of that attack. It's on them. And every other stupid sonofabitch out there that thought looting and rioting and burning part of the town were good ideas, too. And the stupid media that promoted the riots, along with the stupid politicians who, instead of calling for the rioters to disperse and go home, fanned the flames by supporting bail out funds for those committing criminal acts.
TO be sure, there were others who could have prevented the situation, but blowing any of this back on a guy who had come there to clean crap off of walls and try to keep peoples' property intact is just wrong.
If you want to blame someone, blame the Media, the Politicians, who directly supported this, the leaders of ANTIFA and BLM, the local lieutenants who organized and started the "protests", those who could have kept it from getting out of hand but did not deploy the assets they needed to shut the crap down, and it is that way in EVERY City that had riots last year.
In our little town, the BLM protest had a counter protest across the street. BLM people shouted and ranted and waved signs at cars, while other folks who live here cruised the streets and alleys looking for piles of construction materials that might be misused, and across the street, a group even larger than the BLM group sat quietly on their pickups and motorcycles, conspicuously armed, mostly with AR-15s, chatting with police, and just sending the message that our town was not going to put up with the crap seen elsewhere. Not one window was broken, no fights broke out, and everyone had their say.
An armed society is a polite society, after all.
That phenomenon was repeated in other towns in Western North Dakota,and in those towns, there was no looting, no violence, and no one got shot, either. Maybe our protesters were just smarter.
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https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1461782577891758086
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https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1461779618969575433
@mystery-ak
Somebody needs to ask that stupid bitch WHAT are the names of the blacks that were brutalized by Kyle Rittenhouse?
They looked like a bunch of krackas to me.
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Donald Trump Jr.
@DonaldJTrumpJr
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53m
The Rittenhouse jury just gave Biden his second colonoscopy of the day.
twitter post of the day!
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https://twitter.com/KristenBarbar/status/1461784468352638982
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Benny
@bennyjohnson
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1m
The good guys won today.
Law and order won today.
2nd Amendment won today.
Self defense won today.
Life and liberty won today.
America won today.
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Brigitte Gabriel
@ACTBrigitte
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1m
Joy Reid should get our her checkbook now, because Kyle Rittenhouse is going to sue her big time!
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@LMAO
He wasn't carrying a concealed weapon,and he was there to protect life and private property from LOOTERS AND ARSONISTS.
On top of that,HE attached no one. HE was the one that was attacked,and he was attacked by people with prison records who had the intent to kill or injure him for life.
That's ok. You are allowed to be wrong. The FACTS are that he was retreating from his attackers,and only fired after he had tripped and fallen down,and they were on him with one of them trying to beat his brains out with a skate board.
One can only hope.
Was he sent there as part of law-enforcement? No.
He made the decision to go to an area with a weapon that he knew could be volatile. You try to avoid situations like that. That does not mean he gave up his right to self-defense. When he was retreating and they charged him with the intent of causing bodily harm or killing, it was then clearly an act of self-defense. He shouldn’t have been there in the first place because that’s a job for law-enforcement or the National Guard.
I don’t need to see Rittenhouse as some kind of hero or believe he should run for president one day to know that the jury made the absolute correct decision. A jury decision of guilty or not guilty should only be made after reviewing the law, the evidence, and the facts. Not what Joy Reid or the Alzheimer’s in Chief thinks it should be
I don’t believe this prosecutor brought this case on his own. We need to find out if there was outside force that pressured him or possibly threatened him
From what I’ve read, this wasn’t an incompetent prosecutor. It seems he was forced to try a case he knew he couldn’t win
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https://twitter.com/atensnut/status/1461784490649567243
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BiasedGirl
@BiasedGirl
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2m
The best thing Kyle Rittenhouse did was get new attorneys.
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Brigitte Gabriel
@ACTBrigitte
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Joy Reid should get our her checkbook now, because Kyle Rittenhouse is going to sue her big time!
She has another defamation lawsuit pending.
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The Post Millennial
@TPostMillennial
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20s
Glenn Beck says he will donate money to Kyle Rittenhouse so he can "sue the crap out of corporate media."
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Allie Beth Stuckey
@conservmillen
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Amazing to see so many people who accused Kyle of “vigilantism” calling for him to be assaulted or killed. What’s that called?
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Sometimes the problem comes to you. What provoked the violent reaction to Kyle? Putting our a burning dumpster the "mostly peaceful protesters" were fixing to push into a building. He retreated, was pursued and attacked, left with no choice but to defend himself, he did.
Now, you can throw all the 'what ifs?' out there you want, but suppose that was your business, your town, your neighborhood that had people running rampant, His main purpose there, despite being armed, was not to shoot people, but to clean graffiti off of walls and deter violence. Apparently, some people thought attacking a guy who was conspicuously armed was a bad idea. It isn't like they didn't know what they were doing. At some point, people who attack a guy who isn't really bothering anyone, who is obviously capable of defending himself, have to be responsible for the results of that attack. It's on them. And every other stupid sonofabitch out there that thought looting and rioting and burning part of the town were good ideas, too. And the stupid media that promoted the riots, along with the stupid politicians who, instead of calling for the rioters to disperse and go home, fanned the flames by supporting bail out funds for those committing criminal acts.
TO be sure, there were others who could have prevented the situation, but blowing any of this back on a guy who had come there to clean crap off of walls and try to keep peoples' property intact is just wrong.
If you want to blame someone, blame the Media, the Politicians, who directly supported this, the leaders of ANTIFA and BLM, the local lieutenants who organized and started the "protests", those who could have kept it from getting out of hand but did not deploy the assets they needed to shut the crap down, and it is that way in EVERY City that had riots last year.
In our little town, the BLM protest had a counter protest across the street. BLM people shouted and ranted and waved signs at cars, while other folks who live here cruised the streets and alleys looking for piles of construction materials that might be misused, and across the street, a group even larger than the BLM group sat quietly on their pickups and motorcycles, conspicuously armed, mostly with AR-15s, chatting with police, and just sending the message that our town was not going to put up with the crap seen elsewhere. Not one window was broken, no fights broke out, and everyone had their say.
An armed society is a polite society, after all.
That phenomenon was repeated in other towns in Western North Dakota,and in those towns, there was no looting, no violence, and no one got shot, either. Maybe our protesters were just smarter.
@Smokin Joe
I don’t entirely disagree with you. But he did put himself in a situation like that where he ended up having to defend himself in court.
On a personal level, I think he’s guilty for not killing all three and taking out some of the trash of society. All three of these people have prior criminal records. And not just smoking marijuana or DWIs
And I believe part of this verdict, as I’ve mentioned earlier, besides being decided on the facts and law, is telling the Democratic Party that we’ve had enough of their shock troops raising havoc
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Charlie Crist
@CharlieCrist
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For the families of Joseph Rosenbaum, Anthony Huber, and Gaige Grosskreutz justice was not served today. Armed vigilantes are a threat to the safety of all Americans, in every community and I am deeply disappointed that with this jury’s verdict, it was effectively condoned.
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Charlie Crist
@CharlieCrist
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For the families of Joseph Rosenbaum, Anthony Huber, and Gaige Grosskreutz justice was not served today. Armed vigilantes are a threat to the safety of all Americans, in every community and I am deeply disappointed that with this jury’s verdict, it was effectively condoned.
It seems too many don’t understand the difference between self-defense and vigilanteism
If Kyle Rittenhouse caught one of these guys in the act of breaking the law, and shot them, then you could say he was a vigilante
Shooting somebody who’s threatening to kill you and pointing a gun at you is self-defense. Journalism needs to be nothing more than having a high school diploma. It seems they learn nothing in the university
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Was he sent there as part of law-enforcement? No.
That has to be some of the lamest Bush I ever heard of. ONLY law enforcement officers have the right to stop crimes?
Is it possible that you were not told while growing up that LEO's exist as REPRESENTATIVES OF THE PEOPLE?
Guess who "the PEOPLE" be,bubba.
He made the decision to go to an area with a weapon that he knew could be volatile. You try to avoid situations like that.
Well,I try to avoid places like that,but there is NO requirement for ANY citizen to do so. He was perfectly within his legal right to go there and to be armed when he did go there.
Now,pay attention to this part,because it is the important part. HE HAD A RIGHT TO SHOOT TO KILL WHEN HE WAS ATTACKED.
HE did NOT start the fatal fight. The anarchists started the fight,and they started it with the clear intent of murdering him.
He shouldn’t have been there in the first place because that’s a job for law-enforcement or the National Guard.
I can't argue with that,but that is hardly his fault. Blame that on the Governor. The FACT that he was attacked supercedes any "shoulda,coulda,wouda" argument you could have came up with. He WAS there,and he had a legal RIGHT to be there.
I don’t believe this prosecutor brought this case on his own. We need to find out if there was outside force that pressured him or possibly threatened him
We are in agreement on this one.
From what I’ve read, this wasn’t an incompetent prosecutor. It seems he was forced to try a case he knew he couldn’t win
I agree. NO prosecutor wants to try a case he doesn't think he will win. Their political futures are based on winning cases.
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Was he sent there as part of law-enforcement? No.
He made the decision to go to an area with a weapon that he knew could be volatile. You try to avoid situations like that. That does not mean he gave up his right to self-defense. When he was retreating and they charged him with the intent of causing bodily harm or killing, it was then clearly an act of self-defense. He shouldn’t have been there in the first place because that’s a job for law-enforcement or the National Guard.
I don’t need to see Rittenhouse as some kind of hero or believe he should run for president one day to know that the jury made the absolute correct decision. A jury decision of guilty or not guilty should only be made after reviewing the law, the evidence, and the facts. Not what Joy Reid or the Alzheimer’s in Chief thinks it should be
I don’t believe this prosecutor brought this case on his own. We need to find out if there was outside force that pressured him or possibly threatened him
From what I’ve read, this wasn’t an incompetent prosecutor. It seems he was forced to try a case he knew he couldn’t win
This was meant to be political theater, disguised as a trial.
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@Smokin Joe
I don’t entirely disagree with you. But he did put himself in a situation like that where he ended up having to defend himself in court.
On a personal level, I think he’s guilty for not killing all three and taking out some of the trash of society. All three of these people have prior criminal records. And not just smoking marijuana or DWIs
And I believe part of this verdict, as I’ve mentioned earlier, besides being decided on the facts and law, is telling the Democratic Party that we’ve had enough of their shock troops raising havoc
I mostly agree with what you said here @LMAO but would be interested in knowing why you think Kyle should not have been there. Is he less entitled than anyone else to be there?
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That has to be some of the lamest Bush I ever heard of. ONLY law enforcement officers have the right to stop crimes?
Is it possible that you were not told while growing up that LEO's exist as REPRESENTATIVES OF THE PEOPLE?
Guess who "the PEOPLE" be,bubba.
Well,I try to avoid places like that,but there is NO requirement for ANY citizen to do so. He was perfectly within his legal right to go there and to be armed when he did go there.
Now,pay attention to this part,because it is the important part. HE HAD A RIGHT TO SHOOT TO KILL WHEN HE WAS ATTACKED.
HE did NOT start the fatal fight. The anarchists started the fight,and they started it with the clear intent of murdering him.
I can't argue with that,but that is hardly his fault. Blame that on the Governor. The FACT that he was attacked supercedes any "shoulda,coulda,wouda" argument you could have came up with. He WAS there,and he had a legal RIGHT to be there.
We are in agreement on this one.
I agree. NO prosecutor wants to try a case he doesn't think he will win. Their political futures are based on winning cases.
@sneakypete
Yes. Only law enforcement can stop crimes and are authorized to do such. If you decide yourself that you were going to stop a crime, and ended up shooting somebody even if it’s out of self-defense, Your fate may end up in the hands of a jury
As far as the rest goes, we are more in agreement. There was no reason that local law enforcement or even the National Guard couldn’t stop these riots if they weren’t told to stand down
I am willing to bet that Democrat mayors and governors were told by somebody from the higher ups not to do anything about the riots
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https://twitter.com/TPostMillennial/status/1461780807555686405
How did he make a statement when he has a Colonoscopy up his ass?
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@Smokin Joe
I don’t entirely disagree with you. But he did put himself in a situation like that where he ended up having to defend himself in court.
On a personal level, I think he’s guilty for not killing all three and taking out some of the trash of society. All three of these people have prior criminal records. And not just smoking marijuana or DWIs
And I believe part of this verdict, as I’ve mentioned earlier, besides being decided on the facts and law, is telling the Democratic Party that we’ve had enough of their shock troops raising havoc
Well, no one is perfect.
Like Meatloaf sang..."Two out of three ain't bad."
IMHO, he should have been given a medal and a Key to the City,
One of the side effects is that the whole affair has exposed people who howl things like "white supremacist" with no basis in fact, and an assumption that his actions were racially motivated.
Self-defense is an Equal Opportunity thing.
Anyone attacking has an opportunity to take a dirtnap.
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https://twitter.com/CurtisHouck/status/1461791719121371142
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Jack Posobiec ✝️
@JackPosobiec
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1m
Somewhere the 5 boys who were victimized by Joseph Rosenbaum are glad this day has come
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Well, no one is perfect.
Like Meatloaf sang..."Two out of three ain't bad."
IMHO, he should have been given a medal and a Key to the City,
One of the side effects is that the whole affair has exposed people who howl things like "white supremacist" with no basis in fact, and an assumption that his actions were racially motivated.
Self-defense is an Equal Opportunity thing.
Anyone attacking has an opportunity to take a dirtnap.
Once he turns 21, he should never have to pay for a beer.
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Charlie Crist
@CharlieCrist
· 18m
For the families of Joseph Rosenbaum, Anthony Huber, and Gaige Grosskreutz justice was not served today. Armed vigilantes are a threat to the safety of all Americans, in every community and I am deeply disappointed that with this jury’s verdict, it was effectively condoned.
And he's running for gov? Should age well as Kyle is winning the civil suits during the campaign.
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Democrats Outraged After Kyle Rittenhouse Declared Innocent: ‘It’s Good to Be a White Murderer’
The left melted down on Friday after Kyle Rittenhouse was found innocent of murdering two white men and attempting to murder another white man.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/11/19/democrats-outraged-after-kyle-rittenhouse-declared-innocent-its-good-be-white-murderer/
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Jacob Blake’s Uncle: Rittenhouse Bail Was Raised by Nazis, KKK — Trial Judge ‘Racist as Hell’
Jacob Blake’s uncle Justin Blake reacted Friday on MSNBC to the jury finding Kyle Rittenhouse not guilty on five counts for the shooting of three men in August 2020 during protests in Kenosha, Wisconsin, over the police shooting of his nephew.
https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2021/11/19/jacob-blakes-uncle-rittenhouse-bail-was-raised-by-nazis-kkk-trial-judge-racist-as-hell/
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Jacob Blake’s Uncle: Rittenhouse Bail Was Raised by Nazis, KKK — Trial Judge ‘Racist as Hell’
Jacob Blake’s uncle Justin Blake reacted Friday on MSNBC to the jury finding Kyle Rittenhouse not guilty on five counts for the shooting of three men in August 2020 during protests in Kenosha, Wisconsin, over the police shooting of his nephew.
https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2021/11/19/jacob-blakes-uncle-rittenhouse-bail-was-raised-by-nazis-kkk-trial-judge-racist-as-hell/
Fruit from the same poison tree...
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And he's running for gov? Should age well as Kyle is winning the civil suits during the campaign.
He has no chance to win the governorship of Florida. He can’t even decide what party to run in
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Let's Go Brandon!
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10 heinous lies about Kyle Rittenhouse debunked: Devine
By Miranda Devine
November 17, 2021 11:14pm Updated
Miranda Devine
Of all the willful lies and omissions in the media’s coverage of the Steele dossier, Brian Sicknick, the Covington kids, Jussie Smollett, the Wuhan lab, Hunter Biden’s laptop and so on, nothing beats the evil propaganda peddled about Kyle Rittenhouse.
They try to make the Rittenhouse case about race, but it’s about class, punching down at the white working-class son of a single mother because they don’t see him as fully human, and it makes them feel good.
They lie about him because they can.
The central media narrative is that Kyle Rittenhouse is a white supremacist whose mother drove him across state lines with an AR-15 to shoot Black Lives Matter protesters. All lies.
https://nypost.com/2021/11/17/10-debunked-heinous-lies-about-kyle-rittenhouse-devine/
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Reaction pours in as Kyle Rittenhouse is declared not guilty, innocent on all counts
November 19, 2021 | Sierra Marlee | Print Article
Kyle Rittenhouse, the teen who fatally shot two protestors and injured a third during a tense night of rioting in Kenosha, Wisconsin, has been declared not guilty.
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Rittenhouse faced five felony charges stemming from the shooting, including first-degree reckless homicide, two charges of first-degree recklessly endangering safety, first-degree intentional homicide, and attempted first-degree intentional homicide. Anthony Huber and Joseph Rosenbaum were killed the night of the shooting and a third man, Gaige Grosskreutz, was shot in the bicep but survived.
Before the jury was sent to deliberation, Judge Bruce Schroeder dismissed a curfew citation charge against Rittenhouse as he agreed that the prosecution had not provided sufficient evidence to prove a curfew had actually been in place.
https://www.bizpacreview.com/2021/11/19/kenosha-teen-kyle-rittenhouse-declared-not-guilty-innocent-on-all-counts-1163954/
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Big Guy has every reason to be concerned. When he leaves office (and that could be soon), Kyle is going to name him in a historic defamation suit.
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Let's Go Brandon!
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AZ SoS who cheated in 2020 to elect Shortbus Joe, and thinks that means she should be Governor:
https://twitter.com/katiehobbs/status/1461776903740837898
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Big Guy has every reason to be concerned. When he leaves office (and that could be soon), Kyle is going to name him in a historic defamation suit.
Poopy Pants can be sued right now. Ask Paula Jones....
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Bookmark to start reading about page 103....
I am ecstatic for not only Kyle, but citizen's rights for all America.
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@sneakypete
Yes. Only law enforcement can stop crimes and are authorized to do such.
@LMAO
Who taught you that? Whoever it was did you a serious disservice. "WE,THE PEOPLE" are supposed to be the ultimate authorities over right or wrong,and the police serve as our AGENTS,NOT our Masters.
Have you never heard of a "citizens arrest"? Granted,they are rare,and you had better have right on your side or you will be facing a whole "army" of people looking to tack your hide to the wall. First and foremost will be the public servants we call "The Police". Here is a potential life-saving tip for you. Although they ARE nothing more and nothing less than "Public Servants", they hate being reminded of it.
If you decide yourself that you were going to stop a crime, and ended up shooting somebody even if it’s out of self-defense, Your fate may end up in the hands of a jury
Which is the way it is supposed to be. Even the cops have to prove their shootings were justified,so why wouldn't we have to do the same? I have no problem at all with this.
I am willing to bet that Democrat mayors and governors were told by somebody from the higher ups not to do anything about the riots
That is NOT a bet I will be taking. It's like betting against water being wet.
Our politicians all seem to have forgot that "We,the People" are the masters of America,and take it VERY personal if you even suggest it might not be them. This is especially true of the jackasses we call "judges".
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How did he make a statement when he has a Colonoscopy up his ass?
@Cyber Liberty
Who is he kidding? Biden is trying to remember where his rubber ball is,IF he is thinking at all.
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This just shows how tone deaf this administration is, it's theirs and democrats and the leftist media not only approving of, but actively assisting those responsible for the violence and property destruction who are responsible for the situation Rittenhouse found himself in.
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The ACLU is in fine form. *****rollingeyes*****
https://twitter.com/ACLU/status/1461762962276900890
Don't forget this is the same slime ALCU who are representing illegals to get their $450K checks, while ignoring all the J6 protesters who are rotting in DC jails without charges. Ideology has trumped any level of true meaning of "civil liberties". Legal thugs IMO.
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Big Guy has every reason to be concerned. When he leaves office (and that could be soon), Kyle is going to name him in a historic defamation suit.
Kyle doesn't have to wait. The person occupying the Oval Office can be sued civilly while in office.
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Media Found Guilty On All Counts
November 19th, 2021
KENOSHA, WI—In a verdict that surprised both the prosecution, defense, and judge, the jury for the Rittenhouse trial declared that the Media be found guilty on all counts.
The courtroom fell silent as the jury foreman stood to read the verdict, “We the jury find the media guilty on all counts, including the egregious use of its influence to lie to the American people.”
The jury then listed guilty verdicts for the following allegations:
- Painting an innocent American teenager as a white supremacist terrorist.
- Painting violent, communist criminals as peaceful, innocent victims.
- Using its influence to sow painful divisions in the greatest nation on Earth.
- Using minorities as pawns in race-baiting schemes just for ratings.
- Inciting violence on vulnerable neighborhoods and minority-owned businesses.
- Giving an entire show to Brian Stelter.
Upon hearing the verdicts, the judge summarily sentenced the Media to continue its inevitable decline in viewership and trust, until they either strive for objective journalism, or disappear entirely. . .
https://babylonbee.com/news/media-found-guilty-on-all-counts
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The media is just going to double down on their lies.
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Democrats Outraged After Kyle Rittenhouse Declared Innocent: ‘It’s Good to Be a White Murderer’
The left melted down on Friday after Kyle Rittenhouse was found innocent of murdering two white men and attempting to murder another white man.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/11/19/democrats-outraged-after-kyle-rittenhouse-declared-innocent-its-good-be-white-murderer/
The jury declared he was not a murderer, idiots
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https://twitter.com/DailyCaller/status/1461760316233109506
The reaction of that young man crying and falling onto the floor to me is proof he has a very good heart and shot with remorse.
God help him live a life worthy of the sacrifices he made for the community and for himself.
And thank God we have a number of worthy people who made up the jury pool who did the right thing instead of being intimidated and morally bankrupt.
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Tiana Lowe
@TianaTheFirst
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11m
Someone should probably do a wellness check on Joy Reid
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Agreed. Concerns also for the safety of Rittenhouse and his family.
I’m concerned, too. He is still in danger now, but I know without a doubt he would have been tortured and killed in prison
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Sharpton: Rittenhouse Verdict ‘Puts All Americans’ Protesting ‘in Danger’
MSNBC “PoliticsNation” host Al Sharpton said Friday on “Deadline” that Kyle Rittenhouse’s not guilty verdict means all Americans protesting were in danger.
https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2021/11/19/sharpton-rittenhouse-verdict-puts-all-americans-protesting-in-danger/
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Kyle Rittenhouse Not Guilty Verdict Breaks Hollywood: ‘I Weep for This Country’
Left-wing Hollywood celebrities experienced a collective meltdown after a jury in Kenosha, Wisconsin, acquitted 18-year-old Kyle Rittenhouse of all charges on Friday. “I weep for this country,” one star lamented, while another claimed the verdict represented a victory for “white supremacy.”
Celebrities including Sophia Bush, Patton Oswalt, and Josh Gad took their cues from the establishment media by insisting on a racial angle to the verdict, even though all the parties in the case were white. Other celebrities simply vented their rage, like Alyssa Milano, who hurled expletives at her TV as the verdict was read.
“This is white supremacy in action,” Sophia Bush tweeted.
“So…the white guy goes free. Is that the message?” author Stephen King wrote.
“bleep not guilty,” Alyssa Milano despaired.
In one bizarre instance, ABC’s Scandal star Kerry Washington paid tribute to the two men Rittenhouse shot and killed out of self-defense — Joseph Rosenbaum, a pedophile sex offender, and Anthony Huber, a habitual woman beater.
more
https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2021/11/19/kyle-rittenhouse-not-guilty-verdict-breaks-hollywood-i-weep-for-this-country/
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Kyle Rittenhouse Not Guilty Verdict Breaks Hollywood: ‘I Weep for This Country’
Left-wing Hollywood celebrities experienced a collective meltdown after a jury in Kenosha, Wisconsin, acquitted 18-year-old Kyle Rittenhouse of all charges on Friday. “I weep for this country,” one star lamented, while another claimed the verdict represented a victory for “white supremacy.”
Celebrities including Sophia Bush, Patton Oswalt, and Josh Gad took their cues from the establishment media by insisting on a racial angle to the verdict, even though all the parties in the case were white. Other celebrities simply vented their rage, like Alyssa Milano, who hurled expletives at her TV as the verdict was read.
“This is white supremacy in action,” Sophia Bush tweeted.
“So…the white guy goes free. Is that the message?” author Stephen King wrote.
“bleep not guilty,” Alyssa Milano despaired.
In one bizarre instance, ABC’s Scandal star Kerry Washington paid tribute to the two men Rittenhouse shot and killed out of self-defense — Joseph Rosenbaum, a pedophile sex offender, and Anthony Huber, a habitual woman beater.
more
https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2021/11/19/kyle-rittenhouse-not-guilty-verdict-breaks-hollywood-i-weep-for-this-country/
Wrap your mind around this. The Democratic Party and the left-wing side with people who are destroying cities and burning buildings.
If there was any doubt that this is not the Democratic Party of John Kennedy and Hubert Humphrey, this should be another nail in that coffin
There was a time when even democratic mayors would never allow rioting in their city
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If Kyle had been killed by the vermin he defended himself against, these Hollywood pieces of human garbage would have celebrated it until the sun came up.
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If Kyle had been killed by the vermin he defended himself against, these Hollywood pieces of human garbage would have celebrated it until the sun came up.
Yep.
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Kyle Rittenhouse Not Guilty Verdict Breaks Hollywood: ‘I Weep for This Country’
Left-wing Hollywood celebrities experienced a collective meltdown after a jury in Kenosha, Wisconsin, acquitted 18-year-old Kyle Rittenhouse of all charges on Friday. “I weep for this country,” one star lamented, while another claimed the verdict represented a victory for “white supremacy.”
Celebrities including Sophia Bush, Patton Oswalt, and Josh Gad took their cues from the establishment media by insisting on a racial angle to the verdict, even though all the parties in the case were white. Other celebrities simply vented their rage, like Alyssa Milano, who hurled expletives at her TV as the verdict was read.
“This is white supremacy in action,” Sophia Bush tweeted.
“So…the white guy goes free. Is that the message?” author Stephen King wrote.
“bleep not guilty,” Alyssa Milano despaired.
In one bizarre instance, ABC’s Scandal star Kerry Washington paid tribute to the two men Rittenhouse shot and killed out of self-defense — Joseph Rosenbaum, a pedophile sex offender, and Anthony Huber, a habitual woman beater.
more
https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2021/11/19/kyle-rittenhouse-not-guilty-verdict-breaks-hollywood-i-weep-for-this-country/
Good. Maybe Steven King will have an aneurysm and the weekend will be epic.
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The Rittenhouse List: Who Should Kyle Sue?
Mark Richards, the attorney for Kyle Rittenhouse, said in the press conference following the reading of the trial verdict that he would not be a part of any civil lawsuits that Rittenhouse might file. No worries, I am sure that when the time is right, Rittenhouse will have a plethora of top civil rights attorneys ready to take that on.
We have not seen such media malpractice and egregious miscarriage of due process since 2019, when Nicholas Sandmann was accused of harassing a Native American who was actually harassing him. Led by the hacks at CNN, they targeted and sought to destroy that teenage boy’s life. You would have thought after Sandmann won his unprecedented $25 million settlement against CNN and others, that the legacy media would have learned their lesson, but apparently not. Since August 26, 2020, we have seen legacy media, along with elected officials—who of all people should know better—line up to be judge, jury, and executioner of Kyle Rittenhouse before the case even went to trial!
Whatever Kyle Rittenhouse chooses to do, he has fodder for civil suits against a whole lot of people. The cable legal analysts and talking heads are saying because of the public nature of the acts and the trial, that slander and defamation may not be options. However, to malign, target, and gaslight with the sole purpose of putting your thumb on the scales of justice is a horrible choice to make, and too many people made it without a second thought.
For now, here’s a short list of who Kyle Rittenhouse might consider suing.
more w/list
https://redstate.com/jenniferoo/2021/11/19/the-rittenhouse-list-who-should-kyle-sue-n478752
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Protesting /= Arson
Protesting /= Looting
Protesting /= Violence
Arsonist, looters and thugs should not "feel safe" in any civilized society. The very fact that Democrats made these people feel safe in doing those things is what caused all the death and destruction in the first place.
Democrats need to be forced to take responsibility for what they've done.
Period.
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https://twitter.com/charliespiering/status/1461794773153505281
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Kyle Rittenhouse will go to college to be a nurse and wants as ‘normal a life as possible’, says spokesperson
Independent
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/kyle-rittenhouse-trial-verdict-jury-news-live-b1960549.html (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/kyle-rittenhouse-trial-verdict-jury-news-live-b1960549.html)
Kyle Rittenhouse is going to college to become a nurse and wants to lead as “normal a life as possible” after being acquitted of all charges in his homicide trial, according to his family’s spokesperson.
David Hancock, spokesperson for the family of Mr Rittenhouse, told Fox6 that people will “see some good things come out of Kyle in the future”, describing him as a “pragmatic young man who has been through a lot”.
“Mr Rittenhouse can be an 18-year-old young man,” he said, adding that he is studying nursing at Arizona State University.
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Watch the reaction of his little sister McKenzie. After the third "Not Guilty" was read, they both start fighting back tears. It is quite an emotional moment.
https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/1461765858750087176
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“Mr Rittenhouse can be an 18-year-old young man,” he said, adding that he is studying nursing at Arizona State University.
He is a fool if he let that become public. All it does is make him a target that is easier to find.
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He is a fool if he let that become public. All it does is make him a target that is easier to find.
True, but you can open carry here in AZ.
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True, but you can open carry here in AZ.
@DB
That is true,but think about this for a moment. Do you REALLY think he wants to get into another gun fight?
If it were ME,I would be going for an identity change and go to school in some state far away from anyone that knew me.
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@DB
That is true,but think about this for a moment. Do you REALLY think he wants to get into another gun fight?
If it were ME,I would be going for an identity change and go to school in some state far away from anyone that knew me.
Not to worry, @sneakypete !
By the time he gets thru suing the hell out of everybody, he can buy an eye patch... live inside a hollowed-out volcano with his own submarine.
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He is a fool if he let that become public. All it does is make him a target that is easier to find.
After watching him handle that AR I'd like to see him aim a little higher than nurse. Maybe go for surgeon.
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Don't forget this is the same slime ALCU who are representing illegals to get their $450K checks, while ignoring all the J6 protesters who are rotting in DC jails without charges. Ideology has trumped any level of true meaning of "civil liberties". Legal thugs IMO.
I don't think it's so odd when you consider the sole purpose behind the creation of the ACLU was the destruction of the United States.
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He is a fool if he let that become public. All it does is make him a target that is easier to find.
Agreed. He needs to lay low and he needs to move to a conservative remote area far away from all the liberal bat crap crazies.
AZ I don't think is a good place for him to be right now -- he indeed has a target on his back. Just because he was found not guilty doesn't mean he's free from harm; quite the opposite.
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Sharpton: Rittenhouse Verdict ‘Puts All Americans’ Protesting ‘in Danger’
Only the ones carrying and using weapons on people who get in their way, Rebrun Charlatan.
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Sharpton: Rittenhouse Verdict ‘Puts All Americans’ Protesting ‘in Danger’
MSNBC “PoliticsNation” host Al Sharpton said Friday on “Deadline” that Kyle Rittenhouse’s not guilty verdict means all Americans protesting were in danger.
https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2021/11/19/sharpton-rittenhouse-verdict-puts-all-americans-protesting-in-danger/
What it means is violent Marxist anarchists who assault others with intent to do bodily harm are in more danger.
Americans who protest were already in danger - see Lt Michael Byrd.
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Good. Maybe Steven King will have an aneurysm and the weekend will be epic.
He wasn't right in the head even before that car cracked his skull. But if were gonna hope for aneurysms I can think of a guy who lives in a big white building a woman that loves really expensive ice cream, a woman that thinks a pedophile name Milk was a hero and a couple of others....
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He wasn't right in the head even before that car cracked his skull. But if were gonna hope for aneurysms I can think of a guy who lives in a big white building a woman that loves really expensive ice cream, a woman that thinks a pedophile name Milk was a hero and a couple of others....
I'll grant you that. King blowing a gasket would simply be a feel-good story.
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Kyle Rittenhouse will go to college to be a nurse and wants as ‘normal a life as possible’, says spokesperson
Independent
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/kyle-rittenhouse-trial-verdict-jury-news-live-b1960549.html (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/kyle-rittenhouse-trial-verdict-jury-news-live-b1960549.html)
ASU? Huh.
He'll be as normal as any $250 Millionaire. And I wish him well.
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Sharpton: Rittenhouse Verdict ‘Puts All Americans’ Protesting ‘in Danger’
MSNBC “PoliticsNation” host Al Sharpton said Friday on “Deadline” that Kyle Rittenhouse’s not guilty verdict means all Americans protesting were in danger.
https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2021/11/19/sharpton-rittenhouse-verdict-puts-all-americans-protesting-in-danger/
No Al, Americans peacefully protesting are not in danger and have nothing to fear. On the other hand violent arsonists, looters and those hell bent on physical assault and carnage like BLM and Antifa? They should be very afraid of the reckoning coming that is being birthed in America.
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Sharpton: Rittenhouse Case Means Right-Wingers Can Infiltrate Protests to ‘Bait’ People Like Him to Act Violently – He Didn’t Trust Cops
On Friday’s broadcast of MSNBC’s “Deadline: White House,” MSNBC host Rev. Al Sharpton argued that right-wingers “can put people in your protest to bait these kinds of interactions and a Kyle type can therefore then become a hero coming in with violence and solving a problem that was instigated by people that really wasn’t on your side.” And also stated that Rittenhouse “was the aggressor, looking to do something, apparently not trusting that law enforcement” could handle things.
Sharpton said, “Something that was revealed, but has not been extensively covered is that they found that when there was some violence in Minneapolis after the killing of George Floyd, some of them were right-wingers that did it to make it look like some of the protesters did some of the violence. I’m not saying some didn’t, but they found, I believe it was two instances where these were people that put on hoods and acted that way. And my fear…we do a lot of protests, they can put people in your protest to bait these kinds of interactions and a Kyle type can therefore then become a hero coming in with violence and solving a problem that was instigated by people that really wasn’t on your side. There’s all kind of danger that comes out of the signal that happened today.”
He continued, “And I think we need to really talk about this openly and candidly, when you talk about him being offered a Congressional internship, he becomes a hero because he stood up, stood up to what? He went to Kenosha looking for trouble. He was not in Kenosha in trouble. He went there looking for trouble. So, how are you going to make someone who was the aggressor, looking to do something, apparently not trusting that law enforcement could do it. So, he’s going to come in and do it himself? And then he acts like he was the one that was holding his ground. His ground was wherever he left from.”
https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2021/11/19/sharpton-rittenhouse-case-means-right-wingers-can-infiltrate-protests-to-bait-people-like-him-to-act-violently-he-didnt-trust-cops/
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqtDbh1kL7o
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If so many people are not happy in America..it is time for them to leave it. LIARS. GHANA IS WANTING IT'S PEOPLE BACK, WITH INSTANT CITIZENSHIP. Or get vaccinated and booster. More that sick of it.
Kyle Rittenhouse Verdict - NOT GUILTY
OfficerTatum actually knows a bit about LAWS.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1446YrlaUio
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Wrap your mind around this. The Democratic Party and the left-wing side with people who are destroying cities and burning buildings.
If there was any doubt that this is not the Democratic Party of John Kennedy and Hubert Humphrey, this should be another nail in that coffin
There was a time when even democratic mayors would never allow rioting in their city
That is correct. Mayors Daley and Rizzo were the most prominent of Dem mayors who didn't tolerate rioters/criminals, but most governors in those days sent in the NG with shoot to kill orders. No rioting/destruction by the mob was tolerated. Tell me again why today is better than fifty plus years ago.
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If Kyle had been killed by the vermin he defended himself against, these Hollywood pieces of human garbage would have celebrated it until the sun came up.
If Rittenhouse were a BLM or Antifa member protecting himself against Proud Boys, they'd be marching around with large photos of him calling him a hero. Hypocrites all of them.
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Tucker Carlson gets Rittenhouse interview for Monday night
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Nick Sandman coming up on Hannity
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An important case, all the moreso for the time it falls into the country's history.
Young Mr. Rittenhouse has emerged from this ordeal as a modern-day American hero for the traditional-minded folk. He conducted himself well on that fateful night.
Part of the credit for his victory in the trial goes to the judge. I believe the judge was quoted early on as saying (to wit) "I don't care who wins" (very loose quote). But his rulings seem to have betrayed his sympathy for Kyle. I doubt he would have received such support from the bench from almost any other jurist who might have drawn the case.
Not sure what's next for young Kyle. Of course, he should find a good legal team and go after those in the media who attacked him (as did Nick Sandmann). I reckon he stands a good chance of winning several of these cases in court, too.
Having said that, perhaps Kyle should otherwise lay low for a while. He might even consider relocating from his current residence (Illinois, right?) to "more sympathetic territory". Texas, Wyoming or Northern Idaho might be good choices.
Fearless prediction:
We're gonna see more people "fight back".
We may see more overt attacks from the leftists/antifa/communists, as well.
I'll go so far to predict that within the next year we're going to see one or more pitched battles between armed leftists and folks on the right who aren't afraid to take them on.
I hope not only their aims but their judgements are as true as was that of Mr. Rittenhouse...
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Before everyone gets too excited about this not guilty verdict...I bet you anything the feds are going to go after him. Just watch.
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Before everyone gets too excited about this not guilty verdict...I bet you anything the feds are going to go after him. Just watch.
The Dims are likely conducting polls right now to see if they have enough public support to push for that or not.
Forget the law, constitution and basic moral integrity.
A breaking point is going to be reached.
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Although I agree with the verdict and it was based on the evidence and the facts, I’m wondering how much of people being sick of the rioting last summer factored in?
I wonder how many jurors thought Kyle Rittenhouse’s only crime was not killing more rioters?
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So far it sounds like it is quiet in Kenosha tonight.
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So far it sounds like it is quiet in Kenosha tonight.
Isn't that interesting? :pondering:
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Sharpton: Rittenhouse Case Means Right-Wingers Can Infiltrate Protests to ‘Bait’ People Like Him to Act Violently – He Didn’t Trust Cops
On Friday’s broadcast of MSNBC’s “Deadline: White House,” MSNBC host Rev. Al Sharpton argued that right-wingers “can put people in your protest to bait these kinds of interactions and a Kyle type can therefore then become a hero coming in with violence and solving a problem that was instigated by people that really wasn’t on your side.” And also stated that Rittenhouse “was the aggressor, looking to do something, apparently not trusting that law enforcement” could handle things.
Sharpton said, “Something that was revealed, but has not been extensively covered is that they found that when there was some violence in Minneapolis after the killing of George Floyd, some of them were right-wingers that did it to make it look like some of the protesters did some of the violence. I’m not saying some didn’t, but they found, I believe it was two instances where these were people that put on hoods and acted that way. And my fear…we do a lot of protests, they can put people in your protest to bait these kinds of interactions and a Kyle type can therefore then become a hero coming in with violence and solving a problem that was instigated by people that really wasn’t on your side. There’s all kind of danger that comes out of the signal that happened today.”
He continued, “And I think we need to really talk about this openly and candidly, when you talk about him being offered a Congressional internship, he becomes a hero because he stood up, stood up to what? He went to Kenosha looking for trouble. He was not in Kenosha in trouble. He went there looking for trouble. So, how are you going to make someone who was the aggressor, looking to do something, apparently not trusting that law enforcement could do it. So, he’s going to come in and do it himself? And then he acts like he was the one that was holding his ground. His ground was wherever he left from.”
https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2021/11/19/sharpton-rittenhouse-case-means-right-wingers-can-infiltrate-protests-to-bait-people-like-him-to-act-violently-he-didnt-trust-cops/
@mystery-ak
The only thing that scares Sharpie is the possibility of not being able to get HIS snout into the national treasury.
He fears nothing more than he fears an end to racial hatred. That's why he and his co-conspirator do their level best to insure there is no peace between the races in the US.
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So far it sounds like it is quiet in Kenosha tonight.
Fox News had a report earlier about Brooklyn...not very quiet, but so far just marching and shouting across the Bridge.
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There is only ONE person responsible for the peaceful night in Kenosha, Wisconsin last night.
Kyle H. Rittenhouse
Reverend Al Sharpton realized it bigtime last night on MSNBC.
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It would be a beautiful thing if armed citizens stood at each street corner to protect their town en mass. That would be the end of Antifa and BLM riots.
Not jsut in Kenosha, but every city where these protests riots are happening
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Although I agree with the verdict and it was based on the evidence and the facts, I’m wondering how much of people being sick of the rioting last summer factored in?
@LMAO
I am GUESSING that the majority of the people following this story are sick of the rioting,sick of the thugs openly and proudly carrying their stolen merchandise right by the reporters with smug looks on their faces,while THEY had remained home and not gotten involved but STILL given the blame for it because they are white.
I wonder how many jurors thought Kyle Rittenhouse’s only crime was not killing more rioters?
I dunno about that,but IF this happens near where I live,I plan on staying home until it is over. I think this whole "commit any crime you want and skate because you can blame it on the white man" thing has gone too far,and the criminals have gotten too cocky. If I were to go to one and a pack of thugs tried to attack me,I would shoot until I ran out of either ammo or targets.
These inner-city thugs need to learn that whitey really is NOT afraid of them,but stay out of it because it is the job of the police to stop it. Recently,the political pukes that run the big cities have kept the police away from the riots,and IF this keeps up the whites will have no choice but to take over and restore order.
The Getto Trash like to talk trash about how honkie is afraid of "a strong black man like me!" are going to learn a painful lesson if this happens. Or at least the survivors will learn a painful lesson.
The white man is by nature slow to turn to violence,but there are good historic records of what happens once they decide to do so.
Face it,the white man has been a minority of the world population since the dawn of time,yet managed to control most of the world. This didn't happen because of a meek nature.
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Kyle Rittenhouse Not Guilty Verdict Breaks Hollywood: ‘I Weep for This Country’
Left-wing Hollywood celebrities experienced a collective meltdown after a jury in Kenosha, Wisconsin, acquitted 18-year-old Kyle Rittenhouse of all charges on Friday. “I weep for this country,” one star lamented, while another claimed the verdict represented a victory for “white supremacy.”
Celebrities including Sophia Bush, Patton Oswalt, and Josh Gad took their cues from the establishment media by insisting on a racial angle to the verdict, even though all the parties in the case were white. Other celebrities simply vented their rage, like Alyssa Milano, who hurled expletives at her TV as the verdict was read.
“This is white supremacy in action,” Sophia Bush tweeted.
“So…the white guy goes free. Is that the message?” author Stephen King wrote.
“bleep not guilty,” Alyssa Milano despaired.
In one bizarre instance, ABC’s Scandal star Kerry Washington paid tribute to the two men Rittenhouse shot and killed out of self-defense — Joseph Rosenbaum, a pedophile sex offender, and Anthony Huber, a habitual woman beater.
more
https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2021/11/19/kyle-rittenhouse-not-guilty-verdict-breaks-hollywood-i-weep-for-this-country/
I made the mistake of reading some of their comments. They are without a doubt the most uninformed obtuse group of people in the world.
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My state's attorney general posted on Facebook:
Patrick Morrisey
#TrusttheProcess
It’s not infallible but it’s the best one in place globally. Innocent until proven guilty— no matter what the media says.
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Apparently, before the Boston-L.A. Lakers game on ESPN last night, Jalen Rose (ex-player, now TV commentator) pronounced on the death of Jacob Blake at the hands of police, sparking the protests.
How can so many people not understand that Blake didn't die? I guess he's as stupid as those who believe KR killed black men (as Glenn Greenwald noted was being reported in Brazil, England and other countries). 10 heinous lies about Kyle Rittenhouse debunked: Devine
By Miranda Devine
November 17, 2021 11:14pm
... So, let’s go through 10 lies about Rittenhouse, debunked in court:
1. He killed two black BLM protesters. All three of the men he shot in self-defense during violent riots in Kenosha on Aug. 25 last year were white.
2. He crossed state lines. He lived 20 miles from Kenosha in Antioch, Ill., with his mother and sisters. But his father, grandmother, aunt, uncle, cousins and best friend live in Kenosha. He had a job as a lifeguard in Kenosha and worked a shift on Aug. 25 before helping clean graffiti left by rioters at a local school. There, he and his friend were invited to join other adults who had been asked by the owners of a used car lot in Kenosha to guard the property after 100 cars had been torched the previous night, when police abandoned the town to rioters. Kyle took his gun to protect himself, since the rioters were violent and armed, including, for instance, Antifa medic Gaige Grosskreutz, who lunged at him with a loaded Glock pointed at his head before he was shot in the arm. ...
Read entire article at NY Post (https://nypost.com/2021/11/17/10-debunked-heinous-lies-about-kyle-rittenhouse-devine/)
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Isn't that interesting? :pondering:
Thought that too. I always thought the summer of 2020 was a highly cooridinated, high level planned event to destroy Trump.
Too bad we can't connect the dots.
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@mystery-ak
The only thing that scares Sharpie is the possibility of not being able to get HIS snout into the national treasury.
It also scares him if he does not get his dose of these.
(https://i.imgur.com/l1WlTZ8.jpeg)
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It also scares him if he does not get his dose of these.
(https://i.imgur.com/l1WlTZ8.jpeg)
Only thing missing is the purple fedora with a feather.
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Thought that too. I always thought the summer of 2020 was a highly cooridinated, high level planned event to destroy Trump.
Too bad we can't connect the dots.
Yes, I agree, it was highly coordinated and planned, and the FBI claiming that Antifa was an ideology and not an organization was a part of that plan. But people who connect the dots are derided as "conspiracy theorists".
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https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/1462029301289824259
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https://mobile.twitter.com/ColumbiaBugle/status/1461899929698328578
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https://mobile.twitter.com/DanCrenshawTX/status/1461822807244001290
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https://mobile.twitter.com/ReturnOfTheFleX/status/1461819005388439554
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https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1461823823003721736
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https://mobile.twitter.com/TulsiGabbard/status/1462004154281259013
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But is anyone else wondering why Gage Grosskreutz doesn’t also have to go on trial for threatening & chasing someone with a weapon?
Or why his second DUI case was dropped as he was being asked to testify for the prosecution against Rittenhouse? His blood alcohol was over 0.2.
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When you win a battle, you must follow up. Meade may have been able to end the Civil War after Pickett's Charge was repelled at Gettysburg, but he allowed Lee to retreat in good order. A better general would not have done that.
It is a mistake we must not make.
There are people now -- not on the Right but not hard-core 'Progressives' either -- who only vaguely followed this case through the Mainstream Media ... they believed that Rittenhouse was a 'white supremacist' (well, didn't Mr Biden say so?), who drove a long distance to a strange town in order to kill peaceful protestors, which he did after deliberately provoking them.
The videos shown during the trial proved that all that was a lie. This kid was practically a saint, and the people he defended himself against were human garbage, even by the standards of the Left -- George Floyd even looks good compared to the one who liked to rape little boys.
(If I were making a patriotic movie about a case like this -- before it happened -- and someone submitted a script with such black-and-white Good Patriots and Evil Progressives, I would send it back and ask them to make it more realistic ... give our hero some faults, put an innocent idealistic dupe among the people who were killed, a pretty college girl or someone like that. In Kenosha, life imitated bad art!)
The hard core enemy, of course, cares nothing for truth, so they are still repeating the same lies. But some people have had their eyes opened here. We have a chance to drive a wedge between honest liberals and center folk, on the one hand, and the hard-core Progressive/communist enemy on the other.
We ought to talk about how to do this. It's all very well talking to each other -- and chortling over the victory in Kenosha. (I haven't been this high since I ate too many brownies with some funny herb in them when I was staying with hippies in Bezerkeley fifty years ago.)
But we need to follow up the victory -- and reach out to our left, to the middle, to draw them away from the MSM and the other institutions of the Globalist Hardcore Left.
One idea: wherever we can, let's challenge local hardcore Leftists to a debate on the Kenosha Verdict. Either they accept, and get thrashed ... or they refuse, and look like they don't believe what they're saying. Such a challenge, and the outcome, should be publicized widely. Do this wherever we have a patriotic group. (And why don't we have them everywhere -- if we're not organized, we'll lose.)
Other ideas? Maybe a leaflet with the facts of the case, which we can leave about in public places? Letters to the editor of local papers?
We have had a successful defense against an enemy attack. He is now retreating, in disarray, demoralized. If we just sit and gloat, within a few weeks, this will all be forgotten. We need to get up out of the trenches and attack.
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***suicide***
https://mobile.twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1462058607755866126
https://mobile.twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1462059013122805763
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Terrific post! @Doug1943
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https://mobile.twitter.com/RaheemKassam/status/1461777591942225923
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https://twitter.com/CurtisHouck/status/1461791719121371142
Boy, they really are pissed at getting the boot after their guy was trying to doxx the jurors, aren't they.
(More fuel for the lawsuit fire, imho).
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(More fuel for the lawsuit fire, imho).
I hope Rittenhouse sues the crap out of the various networks, celebrities, athletes, tweeters and politicians who called him a murderer, a racist, a white supremacist or otherwise defamed him.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/1462064524412948481
https://mobile.twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/1462098015355695104
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https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1462095007997956096
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The media is just going to double down on their lies.
Bankrupt the Rat bastards.
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After watching him handle that AR I'd like to see him aim a little higher than nurse. Maybe go for surgeon.
His coolness under pressure would serve him in EMS well, too.
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His coolness under pressure would serve him in EMS well, too.
:thumbsup:
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https://mobile.twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/1462098015355695104
Seriously. We live 2 miles west of one state (via car, but only 1/4 mile as the crow flies) and 5 miles east of another. It's hard not to cross state lines to get anything done. Thankfully, we haven't been arrested and charged with murder for doing so.
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Scott Adams
@ScottAdamsSays
I was planning on taking a vacation sometime next year but now I'm afraid to cross state lines. I hear that's a crime now.
Maybe we should blow up every bridge across the Potomac to prevent people from crossing state lines.
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Seriously. We live 2 miles west of one state (via car, but only 1/4 mile as the crow flies) and 5 miles east of another. It's hard not to cross state lines to get anything done. Thankfully, we haven't been arrested and charged with murder for doing so.
90% of people working in WDC travel daily across state lines from Virginia and Maryland to get to the office, More than half the time it's a 30+ mile commute. Only the elected class and the legacy poor actually live in WDC.
The whole "across state lines" will morph into additional gun controls.
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I hope Rittenhouse sues the crap out of the various networks, celebrities, athletes, tweeters and politicians who called him a murderer, a racist, a white supremacist or otherwise defamed him.
88devil
Rittenhouse, Sandmann Agree To Share Joint Custody Of CNN
https://babylonbee.com/news/rittenhouse-sandmann-agree-to-share-joint-custody-of-cnn
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Marjorie Taylor Greene
@mtgreenee
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Dear lying left,
We are NOT white supremacist & REFUSE to be baited into your hate & racism.
We believe ALL Americans are equal, and will stand firmly defending Faith in God, Families, & Freedoms!
All your ways are evil & we pray for you.
WE WILL WIN!
Signed,
We The People
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Donald Trump Jr.
@DonaldJTrumpJr
Have a great weekend folks.
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Only the ones carrying and using weapons on people who get in their way, Rebrun Charlatan.
Well, part of the problem in all this, is simply the way the Left is framing their narrative.
Those shot were "protesters", instead of "Attackers"
(Because if you call Kyle's attackers "attackers", the whole idea of defending your person (or life) suddenly snaps into crystal clear focus.)
Racism, yadda, yadda, yadda...
(even though none of those shot or deceased attackers were anything other than "White", he's white, so if he shot them, he's a "racist"--which just goes to show how meaningless that dog whistle has become.)
White supremacy, yadda, yadda, yadda... More of the same, as above. He wasn't being "supreme" to anyone, in a racial context, he was fighting to keep from being profoundly injured or killed. More leftist dog whistling.
What these people don't get, especially after a year of being pretty much immune to prosecution in some jurisdictions for their escapades of looting, burning, and general violence (AKA: "mostly peaceful protesting), is that their actions just might have consequences. Life in Leftist fantasy world doesn't allow for the victims of those doing looting, burning and attacking to suffer consequences of their actions. After all Leftism takes a heavy dose of denial of reality to buy into, and most playing that game have doubled down in an intellectual sense so long and hard that they have achieved some sort of mental dimension shift, especially in the no-dissent-allowed echo-chambers they have defined as reality.
Then along comes someone like Kyle, or the Sgt. Perry case in Austin (still unresolved, https://en-volve.com/2021/07/02/texas-soldier-who-shot-ak-47-toting-blm-rioter-in-self-defense-now-charged-with-murder-by-soros-funded-d-a/ (https://en-volve.com/2021/07/02/texas-soldier-who-shot-ak-47-toting-blm-rioter-in-self-defense-now-charged-with-murder-by-soros-funded-d-a/) ), and makes the point that you can't just go pointing guns at people or attacking them in the real world without expecting them to defend themselves.
Out in the Middle Class Blue Collar world, these "protesters" aren't dealing with a bunch of latte drinking college soybois who are confused about their gender and sweating their pronouns, they are confronting people who have few illusions and will fight back.
So, I imagine, in the urbane and erudite elitist bubble the MSM people have traveled in, the sudden dispersal of that insulating film of misconceptions they have lived within comes as quite a shock.
No wonder they rail as the bubble they have blown shreds from the pinpricks of reality.
Those of us out here in America just call it "reality".
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Terrific post! @Doug1943
Yes, it is! @DCPatriot
Welcome to TBR @Doug1943 :beer:
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An important case, all the moreso for the time it falls into the country's history.
Young Mr. Rittenhouse has emerged from this ordeal as a modern-day American hero for the traditional-minded folk. He conducted himself well on that fateful night.
Part of the credit for his victory in the trial goes to the judge. I believe the judge was quoted early on as saying (to wit) "I don't care who wins" (very loose quote). But his rulings seem to have betrayed his sympathy for Kyle. I doubt he would have received such support from the bench from almost any other jurist who might have drawn the case.
Not sure what's next for young Kyle. Of course, he should find a good legal team and go after those in the media who attacked him (as did Nick Sandmann). I reckon he stands a good chance of winning several of these cases in court, too.
Having said that, perhaps Kyle should otherwise lay low for a while. He might even consider relocating from his current residence (Illinois, right?) to "more sympathetic territory". Texas, Wyoming or Northern Idaho might be good choices.
Fearless prediction:
We're gonna see more people "fight back".
We may see more overt attacks from the leftists/antifa/communists, as well.
I'll go so far to predict that within the next year we're going to see one or more pitched battles between armed leftists and folks on the right who aren't afraid to take them on.
I hope not only their aims but their judgements are as true as was that of Mr. Rittenhouse...
I am not sure it is sympathy for Kyle, so much as the entire concept of self-defense, especially in times of Civil Unrest. Young Mr. Rittenhouse just provided a textbook example thereof, and the jury ruled correctly.
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@mystery-ak
The only thing that scares Sharpie is the possibility of not being able to get HIS snout into the national treasury.
He fears nothing more than he fears an end to racial hatred. That's why he and his co-conspirator do their level best to insure there is no peace between the races in the US.
Notice, too, that he is describing agents provocateur, the very tactic that turned 1/6 from a street protest into an "insurrection".
The Left always accuses of that which they, themselves, are doing.
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It would be a beautiful thing if armed citizens stood at each street corner to protect their town en mass. That would be the end of Antifa and BLM riots.
That happened in towns in Western ND, where the protesters could protest, but did not go beyond being verbal.
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Don't forget this is the same slime ALCU who are representing illegals to get their $450K checks, while ignoring all the J6 protesters who are rotting in DC jails without charges. Ideology has trumped any level of true meaning of "civil liberties". Legal thugs IMO.
Where was the ACLU when the police actually steered conflicting protest groups into each other in Charlottesville VA?
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Thought that too. I always thought the summer of 2020 was a highly cooridinated, high level planned event to destroy Trump.
Too bad we can't connect the dots.
Yep, between COVID and riots, there was a lot of 'crisis' going on...
"Never let a crisis go to waste"
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Yes, it is! @DCPatriot
Welcome to TBR @Doug1943 :beer:
:yowsa: Welcome aboard @Doug1943!
We all must remember that most of those "protesters" are nothing of the sort. They are paid actors being directed by people who have no wish to debate anyone about anything.
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I hope Rittenhouse sues the crap out of the various networks, celebrities, athletes, tweeters and politicians who called him a murderer, a racist, a white supremacist or otherwise defamed him.
I hope he's getting the screenshots befoe they all go down the memory hole...
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When you win a battle, you must follow up. Meade may have been able to end the Civil War after Pickett's Charge was repelled at Gettysburg, but he allowed Lee to retreat in good order. A better general would not have done that.
It is a mistake we must not make.
There are people now -- not on the Right but not hard-core 'Progressives' either -- who only vaguely followed this case through the Mainstream Media ... they believed that Rittenhouse was a 'white supremacist' (well, didn't Mr Biden say so?), who drove a long distance to a strange town in order to kill peaceful protestors, which he did after deliberately provoking them.
The videos shown during the trial proved that all that was a lie. This kid was practically a saint, and the people he defended himself against were human garbage, even by the standards of the Left -- George Floyd even looks good compared to the one who liked to rape little boys.
(If I were making a patriotic movie about a case like this -- before it happened -- and someone submitted a script with such black-and-white Good Patriots and Evil Progressives, I would send it back and ask them to make it more realistic ... give our hero some faults, put an innocent idealistic dupe among the people who were killed, a pretty college girl or someone like that. In Kenosha, life imitated bad art!)
The hard core enemy, of course, cares nothing for truth, so they are still repeating the same lies. But some people have had their eyes opened here. We have a chance to drive a wedge between honest liberals and center folk, on the one hand, and the hard-core Progressive/communist enemy on the other.
We ought to talk about how to do this. It's all very well talking to each other -- and chortling over the victory in Kenosha. (I haven't been this high since I ate too many brownies with some funny herb in them when I was staying with hippies in Bezerkeley fifty years ago.)
But we need to follow up the victory -- and reach out to our left, to the middle, to draw them away from the MSM and the other institutions of the Globalist Hardcore Left.
One idea: wherever we can, let's challenge local hardcore Leftists to a debate on the Kenosha Verdict. Either they accept, and get thrashed ... or they refuse, and look like they don't believe what they're saying. Such a challenge, and the outcome, should be publicized widely. Do this wherever we have a patriotic group. (And why don't we have them everywhere -- if we're not organized, we'll lose.)
Other ideas? Maybe a leaflet with the facts of the case, which we can leave about in public places? Letters to the editor of local papers?
We have had a successful defense against an enemy attack. He is now retreating, in disarray, demoralized. If we just sit and gloat, within a few weeks, this will all be forgotten. We need to get up out of the trenches and attack.
I like your thinking. Obvious other idea is to boycott any advertiser on those media outlets.
But the enemy is not in disarray and demoralized. They do not do that. They do not retreat.
Instead, right after the verdict was read a House Committee announced it is requesting the federal government to look into federal charges against the boy. They anticipated the ruling and have their game plan already started in Phase 2.
BTW, welcome to TBR @Doug1943
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I like your thinking. Obvious other idea is to boycott any advertiser on those media outlets.
But the enemy is not in disarray and demoralized. They do not do that. They do not retreat.
Instead, right after the verdict was read a House Committee announced it is requesting the federal government to look into federal charges against the boy. They anticipated the ruling and have their game plan already started in Phase 2.
BTW, welcome to TBR @Doug1943
Which just shows how damned far the House is off the rails.
Haven't those stinking Leftists ever heard of Double Jeopardy?
This isn't an election where they can just keep counting votes until they like the outcome.
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Can Kyle Rittenhouse face federal charges?
https://www.fox13news.com/news/can-kyle-rittenhouse-face-federal-charges-house-judiciary-chairman-calls-for-doj-review (https://www.fox13news.com/news/can-kyle-rittenhouse-face-federal-charges-house-judiciary-chairman-calls-for-doj-review)
Can Kyle Rittenhouse face federal charges?
In order for Rittenhouse to face federal charges, there are several complicated factors that could make it unlikely for federal prosecutors to pursue a case.
For most homicide cases, federal law typically only applies in crimes that specifically violate federal law. According to Shouse Law Group, a criminal justice team in Los Angeles, the crime of murder "is prosecuted in state courts as a state crime. But murder becomes a federal crime when it occurs in violation of federal law, or when it takes place on a federal land or territory."
Shouse Law Group writes, "The federal crime of murder is defined as the ‘unlawful killing of a human being with malice aforethought.’ In general, there are seven scenarios when an unlawful killing violates the laws of the federal government."
According to the law group, these include when:
• the murder is of a federal judge or a federal law enforcement official
• the killing is of an immediate family member of a federal law enforcement official
• the murder is of an elected or appointed federal official
• the killing is committed during a bank robbery
• the killing takes place aboard a ship at sea that is engaged in interstate commerce per the Commerce Clause of the U.S. Constitution
• the murder was designed to influence a court case
• the killing takes place on federal property
Rittenhouse was not accused of a hate crime and because he is not a member of law enforcement, he cannot be charged with depriving anyone of their civil rights as a federal agent.
Rittenhouse was also not accused of a robbery on federal property or involving a federal business.
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Where was the ACLU when the police actually steered conflicting protest groups into each other in Charlottesville VA?
Intentionally trapping one group in a barricaded area with but one route of escape - through a line of armed antifa thugs.
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Now THAT is a BEAUTIFUL PIC! All that anguish on that mama's face transformed to a joyous smile! pic.twitter.com/NtIOROqd8g— Lyantana (@JohnsonBragg) November 20, 2021
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Can Kyle Rittenhouse face federal charges?
https://www.fox13news.com/news/can-kyle-rittenhouse-face-federal-charges-house-judiciary-chairman-calls-for-doj-review (https://www.fox13news.com/news/can-kyle-rittenhouse-face-federal-charges-house-judiciary-chairman-calls-for-doj-review)
The feds seem to think they can go after anyone for anything. I sincerely hope they don't try to go after him, but I think they will.
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Now THAT is a BEAUTIFUL PIC! All that anguish on that mama's face transformed to a joyous smile! pic.twitter.com/NtIOROqd8g— Lyantana (@JohnsonBragg) November 20, 2021
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He and his family certainly need our prayers. Kyle did kill 2 people and injure 1. This is going to be tough to live with, justified or not. They had a snippet of an interview with him on Tucker's show, where Kyle mentioned he had nightmares nightly.
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The feds seem to think they can go after anyone for anything. I sincerely hope they don't try to go after him, but I think they will.
i can see the DOJ going after him, just like they did with the L.A. cops when they didn't like them being acquitted over Rodney King and went after them for violating Kings civil rights. The FBI and DOJ are total corrupt thug arms of the democrat party and do nothing to protect and serve justice for the American people.
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I don't think the supreme court will allow a second bite at the apple on this regardless of what the DOJ wants to try to do.
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Tiffany Cross Offers Her Bank Account for Rittenhouse Lawsuit Draining
DUmmie FUnnies
And we have yet another liberal who has graciously offered up her bank account for draining by the inevitable Kyle Rittenhouse lawsuit. The name of the future bank account drainee is Tiffany Cross of MSNBC News who has provided ample evidence for her civil suit plaintiff.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XylxcB4ZWio (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XylxcB4ZWio)
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Tiffany Cross Offers Her Bank Account for Rittenhouse Lawsuit Draining
Personally, I am sick and tired of these couillons judging me because of my skin color.
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Illinois county Democrat loses social media manager job over Waukesha, Rittenhouse tweets
By Monique Beals - 11/22/21 07:29 PM EST
A social media manager for the Democratic Party in DuPage County in Illinois was removed from the job for tweets comparing the driver of an SUV that barreled through a Christmas parade in Wisconsin to Kyle Rittenhouse.
“It was probably just self-defense #Wisconsin #Kyle Rittenhouse,” Mary Lemanski tweeted of Sunday's violence in Waukesha that killed five people and injured more than 40 others, according to the Chicago Tribune.
Her tweet was a nod to 18-year-old Rittenhouse's acquittal for all the charges he faced after he fatally shot two people and injured another during protests last summer in Kenosha, Wis., just more than 50 miles from Waukesha.
"I’m sad. I’m sad anytime anyone dies. I just believe in Karma and this came around quick on the citizens of Wisconsin," Lemanski said in another tweet, per the Tribune.
Ken Mejia-Beal, chairman of the DuPage Democratic Party, said in a statement on Twitter that the party "immediately severed all ties" with Lemanski upon finding out about her "callous and reprehensible posts."
more
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/582734-illinois-county-democratic-party-social-media-manager-loses-job-over
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Rittenhouse Goes After Former Attorneys Lin Wood and John Pierce, Says They Raised Money ‘For Their Own Benefit, Not Trying to Set Me Free’
By Michael LucianoNov 22nd, 2021, 9:03 pm
During his interview with Tucker Carlson that aired on Monday, Kyle Rittenhouse discussed the time he spent in a juvenile detention center last year after he fatally shot two people and wounded another in Kenosha, Wisconsin. His attorneys argued he acted in self-defense. Rittenhouse was acquitted on all charges last week.
“How long were you there?” asked the Fox News host.
“I was in jail for 87 days,” Rittenhouse responded, before taking aim at Lin Wood and John Pierce, who had originally represented him. “Lin Wood was raising money on my behalf, and he held me in jail for 87 days, disrespecting my wishes, put me on media interviews which I should never have done, which he said, ‘Oh, you’re going to go talk to The Washington Post,’ which was not a good idea, along with John Pierce. They said I was safer in jail instead of at home with my family.”
“Your lawyer said that?” Carlson asked.
“My lawyers said that,” Rittenhouse replied. “John Pierce and Lin Wood.”
“Eighty-seven days is a long time to be in jail,” said Carlson.
“It was very long,” said the 18-year-old. “I lost a lot of weight in there.”
more
https://www.mediaite.com/tv/kyle-rittenhouse-on-lin-wood-john-pierce/
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Here's the interview. Can't guarantee Fox will keep this on YouTube .....
https://youtu.be/do7sbWaZstQ
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Beautiful! :yowsa:
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Now THAT is a BEAUTIFUL PIC! All that anguish on that mama's face transformed to a joyous smile! pic.twitter.com/NtIOROqd8g— Lyantana (@JohnsonBragg) November 20, 2021
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Awwwww. How sweet! Kyle us such a sweetheart. I heard him talk on Tucker Carlson show today. So smart. Young.
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Rittenhouse Family — Lin Wood is trying to take Kyle’s bail money…
Citizen Free Press 11/22/2021
https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/rittenhouse-family-lin-wood-is-trying-to-take-kyles-bail-money/ (https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/rittenhouse-family-lin-wood-is-trying-to-take-kyles-bail-money/)
The next battle in the Kyle Rittenhouse case is likely to be over $2 million in bond funds.
Rittenhouse, 18, was free on $2 million bond since last November, the money raised by donors and posted by former Rittenhouse attorney John Pierce with a cashier’s check from his law firm Pierce Bainbridge.
Another early Rittenhouse attorney, Lin Wood, has stated the money was provided by the FightBack Foundation, which he operates. Wood has issued statements indicating that the money should come back to him.
Mark Richards, the criminal defense lawyer who represented Rittenhouse at trial, believes a legal battle is brewing over the bond money. ‘I suspect there will be a fight over that,’ Richards told Kenosha News.
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Rittenhouse Family — Lin Wood is trying to take Kyle’s bail money…
Citizen Free Press 11/22/2021
https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/rittenhouse-family-lin-wood-is-trying-to-take-kyles-bail-money/ (https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/rittenhouse-family-lin-wood-is-trying-to-take-kyles-bail-money/)
I liked what Lin Wood did for Nick Sandmann incident...but since then he's come off as kind of nutjob.
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I liked what Lin Wood did for Nick Sandmann incident...but since then he's come off as kind of nutjob.
Could also be a simple case of Lin Wood putting the funds in place for future 'Sandman/Rittenhouse' cases, which are coming sure as the sun rises. :shrug:
Have to help him if he could show the ability to put up the bond without soliciting for it.
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Could also be a simple case of Lin Wood putting the funds in place for future 'Sandman/Rittenhouse' cases, which are coming sure as the sun rises. :shrug:
Have to help him if he could show the ability to put up the bond without soliciting for it.
On the flip side if people specifically donated money for Rittenhouse, that's where the money should go. Not to Lin Wood just because it passed through his hands.
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What are the chances of Rittenhouse winning these lawsuits or at least settling? Especially when it comes to the president.
The Sandman in case was different because what he was accused of never went to court before a jury.
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https://rumble.com/embed/vn1cl9/?pub=4
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Didn;t have running water in jail for 21 days.
https://rumble.com/embed/vn1gax/?pub=4
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Full interview on Rumble
https://rumble.com/embed/vn1iyf/?pub=4
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Kyle Rittenhouse and His Mother Flew Out to Meet with President Trump in Mar-a-Lago (Video)
Gateway Pundit 11/23/2021
President Trump joined Sean Hannity on Tuesday for an hour-long interview discussing everything from Joe Biden’s shameful withdrawal from Afghanistan to the record inflation under the current administration.
Towards the end of the interview, President Trump told Sean that he met with Kyle Rittenhouse and his mother in Florida. Trump said Kyle flew out with his mother after the verdict and that Kyle is a “good young man.”
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/11/kyle-rittenhouse-mother-flew-meet-president-trump-mar-lago-fridays-verdict-video/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/11/kyle-rittenhouse-mother-flew-meet-president-trump-mar-lago-fridays-verdict-video/)
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Best Buy doing its best to resemble a typical leftist university:
Libs of Tik Tok
@libsoftiktok
Best Buy sent out a notice offering their employees counseling services after the Kyle Rittenhouse verdict
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7:31 PM · Nov 23, 2021·
I hope they offered their employees coloring books. That seems to comfort triggered college kids, anyway.
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happy77 Looking a little nervous here ..... pointing-down
Waiting to meet the greatest President in American history at Mar-a-Lago yesterday. #KyleRittenhouse pic.twitter.com/BWF06gOZum— American Patriot 🇺🇸 🦅 (@MichaelDeLauzon) November 24, 2021
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Best Buy doing its best to resemble a typical leftist university:I hope they offered their employees coloring books. That seems to comfort triggered college kids, anyway.
Sick. I could not work for a company like that.
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one can only hope. Every time a leftist gets nailed by a judgement, babies laugh.
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Best Buy doing its best to resemble a typical leftist university:I hope they offered their employees coloring books. That seems to comfort triggered college kids, anyway.
I just knew there was a reason I did not do business with that company--and won't. I'd rather spend more elsewhere. God help those fools if they ever need to defend themselves.
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Best Buy doing its best to resemble a typical leftist university:I hope they offered their employees coloring books. That seems to comfort triggered college kids, anyway.
That's just pathetic.
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Didn;t have running water in jail for 21 days.
https://rumble.com/embed/vn1gax/?pub=4
Oh my God! And our iNNOCENT VETERANS in jail for just being at Jan.6th, are in solitary confinement, with the same bad treatment. No charges. Just kept as political prisoners. CONGRESS DOES NOTHING! I would have all of them in jail!
https://twitter.com/freekyleusa/status/1463372481687961602?s=20
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Election Wizard
@ElectionWiz
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BREAKING: Tucker Carlson’s Kyle Rittenhouse interview was seen by 4.9 million viewers on Fox News. That was more than 2.5 times the combined audience of MSNBC and CNN during the same hour.
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Well, part of the problem in all this, is simply the way the Left is framing their narrative.
Those shot were "protesters", instead of "Attackers"
(Because if you call Kyle's attackers "attackers", the whole idea of defending your person (or life) suddenly snaps into crystal clear focus.)
Racism, yadda, yadda, yadda...
(even though none of those shot or deceased attackers were anything other than "White", he's white, so if he shot them, he's a "racist"--which just goes to show how meaningless that dog whistle has become.)
White supremacy, yadda, yadda, yadda... More of the same, as above. He wasn't being "supreme" to anyone, in a racial context, he was fighting to keep from being profoundly injured or killed. More leftist dog whistling.
What these people don't get, especially after a year of being pretty much immune to prosecution in some jurisdictions for their escapades of looting, burning, and general violence (AKA: "mostly peaceful protesting), is that their actions just might have consequences. Life in Leftist fantasy world doesn't allow for the victims of those doing looting, burning and attacking to suffer consequences of their actions. After all Leftism takes a heavy dose of denial of reality to buy into, and most playing that game have doubled down in an intellectual sense so long and hard that they have achieved some sort of mental dimension shift, especially in the no-dissent-allowed echo-chambers they have defined as reality.
Then along comes someone like Kyle, or the Sgt. Perry case in Austin (still unresolved, https://en-volve.com/2021/07/02/texas-soldier-who-shot-ak-47-toting-blm-rioter-in-self-defense-now-charged-with-murder-by-soros-funded-d-a/ (https://en-volve.com/2021/07/02/texas-soldier-who-shot-ak-47-toting-blm-rioter-in-self-defense-now-charged-with-murder-by-soros-funded-d-a/) ), and makes the point that you can't just go pointing guns at people or attacking them in the real world without expecting them to defend themselves.
Out in the Middle Class Blue Collar world, these "protesters" aren't dealing with a bunch of latte drinking college soybois who are confused about their gender and sweating their pronouns, they are confronting people who have few illusions and will fight back.
So, I imagine, in the urbane and erudite elitist bubble the MSM people have traveled in, the sudden dispersal of that insulating film of misconceptions they have lived within comes as quite a shock.
No wonder they rail as the bubble they have blown shreds from the pinpricks of reality.
Those of us out here in America just call it "reality".
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Cernovich
@Cernovich
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My mother in law is a normie Democrat, watches CNN (and believes it).
Kyle Rittenhouse coverage was huge for her.
She’s can’t believe how much CNN lied about Rittenhouse case. She’s in actual shock.
Her awakening happened to millions.
That Rittenhouse case was huge.
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Well, part of the problem in all this, is simply the way the Left is framing their narrative.
Those shot were "protesters", instead of "Attackers"
(Because if you call Kyle's attackers "attackers", the whole idea of defending your person (or life) suddenly snaps into crystal clear focus.)
Racism, yadda, yadda, yadda...
(even though none of those shot or deceased attackers were anything other than "White", he's white, so if he shot them, he's a "racist"--which just goes to show how meaningless that dog whistle has become.)
White supremacy, yadda, yadda, yadda... More of the same, as above. He wasn't being "supreme" to anyone, in a racial context, he was fighting to keep from being profoundly injured or killed. More leftist dog whistling.
What these people don't get, especially after a year of being pretty much immune to prosecution in some jurisdictions for their escapades of looting, burning, and general violence (AKA: "mostly peaceful protesting), is that their actions just might have consequences. Life in Leftist fantasy world doesn't allow for the victims of those doing looting, burning and attacking to suffer consequences of their actions. After all Leftism takes a heavy dose of denial of reality to buy into, and most playing that game have doubled down in an intellectual sense so long and hard that they have achieved some sort of mental dimension shift, especially in the no-dissent-allowed echo-chambers they have defined as reality.
Then along comes someone like Kyle, or the Sgt. Perry case in Austin (still unresolved, https://en-volve.com/2021/07/02/texas-soldier-who-shot-ak-47-toting-blm-rioter-in-self-defense-now-charged-with-murder-by-soros-funded-d-a/ (https://en-volve.com/2021/07/02/texas-soldier-who-shot-ak-47-toting-blm-rioter-in-self-defense-now-charged-with-murder-by-soros-funded-d-a/) ), and makes the point that you can't just go pointing guns at people or attacking them in the real world without expecting them to defend themselves.
Out in the Middle Class Blue Collar world, these "protesters" aren't dealing with a bunch of latte drinking college soybois who are confused about their gender and sweating their pronouns, they are confronting people who have few illusions and will fight back.
So, I imagine, in the urbane and erudite elitist bubble the MSM people have traveled in, the sudden dispersal of that insulating film of misconceptions they have lived within comes as quite a shock.
No wonder they rail as the bubble they have blown shreds from the pinpricks of reality.
Those of us out here in America just call it "reality".
The f'ing prosecutor called the rioters, arsonists and looters "heroes"... You can't get much more debased than that...
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Illinois county Democrat loses social media manager job over Waukesha, Rittenhouse tweets
By Monique Beals - 11/22/21 07:29 PM EST
A social media manager for the Democratic Party in DuPage County in Illinois was removed from the job for tweets comparing the driver of an SUV that barreled through a Christmas parade in Wisconsin to Kyle Rittenhouse.
“It was probably just self-defense #Wisconsin #Kyle Rittenhouse,” Mary Lemanski tweeted of Sunday's violence in Waukesha that killed five people and injured more than 40 others, according to the Chicago Tribune.
Her tweet was a nod to 18-year-old Rittenhouse's acquittal for all the charges he faced after he fatally shot two people and injured another during protests last summer in Kenosha, Wis., just more than 50 miles from Waukesha.
"I’m sad. I’m sad anytime anyone dies. I just believe in Karma and this came around quick on the citizens of Wisconsin," Lemanski said in another tweet, per the Tribune.
Ken Mejia-Beal, chairman of the DuPage Democratic Party, said in a statement on Twitter that the party "immediately severed all ties" with Lemanski upon finding out about her "callous and reprehensible posts."
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https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/582734-illinois-county-democratic-party-social-media-manager-loses-job-over
All the nasty wording by the LEFTS. KYLE DEFENDED HIMSELF FROM HIS....ATTACKERS. VIOLENT ATTACKERS WANTING TO KILL HIM! Yelilng that, at him. Rosenbaum; " I am going to f...kill you m.f. ers' & "I"m going to cut your f....heart out"! "There he is, let's get him'. "KILL HIM". 'KILL HIM". These are the thugs and criminals some want to paint as good people? "jump kick man" BLM, at Kyle, Head STOMPED, hit with skateboard twice in the head/neck, hit with rocks, and had a Glock gun pointed in his face. KYLE DEFENDED HIMSELF FROM ALL OF THIS, WHILE LAYING ON THE GROUND.
All these people feeling sorry for convicted FELON'S, criminals, who are aggressive and the dregs of life, need this same treatment done to them, as Kyle did, to get some understanding. A 6X felon for assault = HUBER, and a PEDOPHILE RAPING, SODOMIZING LITTLE BOY'S AKA ROSENBAUM. All had rap sheets.
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The f'ing prosecutor called the rioters, arsonists and looters "heroes"... You can't get much more debased than that...
:thumbsup: FELONS, CRIMINALS...called hero's?
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Now THAT is a BEAUTIFUL PIC! All that anguish on that mama's face transformed to a joyous smile! pic.twitter.com/NtIOROqd8g— Lyantana (@JohnsonBragg) November 20, 2021
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Yes, and another one.
https://twitter.com/freekyleusa/status/1463372481687961602?s=20
Notice that 'media' has cut off half the picture. BOTH POTUS TRUMP AND KYLE HAVE THEIR THUMBS UP IN THE PICTURE.
biden smears Kyle and POTUS TRUMP...welcomes him for his heroic defense. He is a hero.
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lol. We all hope. Those of us who are still SANE...in America. :patriot: :patriot: :patriot:
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Rittenhouse Whiskey has gone WOKE and issues public statement to distant themselves from memes and jokes promoting the name.
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Oh my God! And our iNNOCENT VETERANS in jail for just being at Jan.6th, are in solitary confinement, with the same bad treatment. No charges. Just kept as political prisoners. CONGRESS DOES NOTHING! I would have all of them in jail!
https://twitter.com/freekyleusa/status/1463372481687961602?s=20
@LegalAmerican
Why are you or anyone else surprised about that?
Dictatorships do whateverthehell they WANT to do.
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Oh my God! And our iNNOCENT VETERANS in jail for just being at Jan.6th, are in solitary confinement, with the same bad treatment. No charges. Just kept as political prisoners. CONGRESS DOES NOTHING! I would have all of them in jail!
https://twitter.com/freekyleusa/status/1463372481687961602?s=20
@LegalAmerican
I can almost get sexually excited picturing all the leftist heads swelling up and exploding after seeing that photo with Trump.
Including the heads of a few TBR posters.
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@LegalAmerican
Out in the Middle Class Blue Collar world, these "protesters" aren't dealing with a bunch of latte drinking college soybois who are confused about their gender and sweating their pronouns, they are confronting people who have few illusions and will fight back.
You misspelled "delusions",but that's ok. I kinda miss my delusions,but sooner or later you run out of acid and mushrooms,and have to enter that strange new world regular people live in,and it can be a REALLY scary place,where almost nobody smiles or laughs,and all people seem to do is whine and moan.
When you do,it REALLY helps to have a sense of humor.
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Ken Mejia-Beal, chairman of the DuPage Democratic Party, said in a statement on Twitter that the party "immediately severed all ties" with Lemanski upon finding out about her "callous and reprehensible posts."
@LegalAmerican
I think the quote above pretty much says it all,don't you?
I suspect that it won't be long before Ken Mejia-Beal will no longer be chairman of the DuPage Democratic Party.
Not that the Party bosses think he slandered anyone,because they all KNOW the truth. They just don't EVER want any Party Official to admit it in public.
The Dim Party is nothing less than a Communist Political Front organization,dedicated to turning the whole world into a police state under the hells of the Party bosses.
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The f'ing prosecutor called the rioters, arsonists and looters "heroes"... You can't get much more debased than that...
@DB
The f'ing prosecutor called the rioters, arsonists and looters "heroes"... You can't get much more debased than that..
Prosecutors are ALL professional liars. It is the heart of their job,and their jobs are the most important thing in the world to them.
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Rittenhouse Whiskey has gone WOKE and issues public statement to distant themselves from memes and jokes promoting the name.
lol. Did not know, there was such a brand.
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@LegalAmerican
You misspelled "delusions",but that's ok. I kinda miss my delusions,but sooner or later you run out of acid and mushrooms,and have to enter that strange new world regular people live in,and it can be a REALLY scary place,where almost nobody smiles or laughs,and all people seem to do is whine and moan.
When you do,it REALLY helps to have a sense of humor.
I didn't write that. 888high58888
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All the nasty wording by the LEFTS. KYLE DEFENDED HIMSELF FROM HIS....ATTACKERS. VIOLENT ATTACKERS WANTING TO KILL HIM! Yelilng that, at him. Rosenbaum; " I am going to f...kill you m.f. ers' & "I"m going to cut your f....heart out"! "There he is, let's get him'. "KILL HIM". 'KILL HIM". These are the thugs and criminals some want to paint as good people? "jump kick man" BLM, at Kyle, Head STOMPED, hit with skateboard twice in the head/neck, hit with rocks, and had a Glock gun pointed in his face. KYLE DEFENDED HIMSELF FROM ALL OF THIS, WHILE LAYING ON THE GROUND.
And even more impressive, he did so without firing wildly or indiscriminately, but only targeted those who attacked him. That is a cool head, focused on self preservation.
All these people feeling sorry for convicted FELON'S, criminals, who are aggressive and the dregs of life, need this same treatment done to them, as Kyle did, to get some understanding. A 6X felon for assault = HUBER, and a PEDOPHILE RAPING, SODOMIZING LITTLE BOY'S AKA ROSENBAUM. All had rap sheets.
But those are all resume enhancers for the sickos of the Left.
I wonder how many of the Mediots had been on a junket to Epstein's Island?
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Best Buy doing its best to resemble a typical leftist university:I hope they offered their employees coloring books. That seems to comfort triggered college kids, anyway.
I used to purchase items from Best Buy. That changed upon reading your post.
I don't support woke in any form and especially a for profit business.
I buy from capitalists.
Thanks.
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And even more impressive, he did so without firing wildly or indiscriminately, but only targeted those who attacked him. That is a cool head, focused on self preservation.
And he tried to leave the situation before being forced to fire. Impressive for a 17 y/o kid
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And he tried to leave the situation before being forced to fire. Impressive for a 17 y/o kid
Quite.
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Quite.
@Smokin Joe
I got to be honest,here. The poise and judgement this young man exhibited was almost impossible to believe.
I don't care who you are,once you go full-berserker and start pulling the trigger,it's damn hard to stop before the magazine is empty,no matter how old you are or who you are.
ESPECIALLY when you look up and the whole damn street if full of targets.
He should have received something like the Nobel Peace Prize instead of a trial.
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@Smokin Joe
I got to be honest,here. The poise and judgement this young man exhibited was almost impossible to believe.
I don't care who you are,once you go full-berserker and start pulling the trigger,it's damn hard to stop before the magazine is empty,no matter how old you are or who you are.
ESPECIALLY when you look up and the whole damn street if full of targets.
He should have received something like the Nobel Peace Prize instead of a trial.
Marjorie Taylor Greene put him in for a Congressional Gold Medal.
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Marjorie Taylor Greene put him in for a Congressional Gold Medal.
:laugh:
I don't even know who that woman is,but I am now a fan.
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I don't even know who that woman is,but I am now a fan.
She is a Congressional Representative from Georgia. She was stripped of her committee assignments early on, and has been using the 'extra time' to mess with the Democrats on the Hill. She has also put in Bills to Impeach Biden, among other things. If you ever do facebook, check out her page there. https://www.facebook.com/MarjorieTaylorGreene/ (https://www.facebook.com/MarjorieTaylorGreene/)
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And even more impressive, he did so without firing wildly or indiscriminately, but only targeted those who attacked him. That is a cool head, focused on self preservation.
But those are all resume enhancers for the sickos of the Left.
I wonder how many of the Mediots had been on a junket to Epstein's Island?
Mature beyond his age. His life will be quite different with mentors and detractors.
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I don't even know who that woman is,but I am now a fan.
She was scolded by dims and had her assignments removed. She works in congress
totally independently. A good soul.
She hasn't gone quietly into the night.
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US Representative for Georgia's 14th district.
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Marjorie Taylor Greene introduces bill to award Congressional Gold Medal to Kyle Rittenhouse
The Post Millennial
https://thepostmillennial.com/majorie-taylor-greene-introduces-bill-to-award-congressional-gold-medal-to-kyle-rittenhouse (https://thepostmillennial.com/majorie-taylor-greene-introduces-bill-to-award-congressional-gold-medal-to-kyle-rittenhouse)
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"To award a Congressional Gold Medal to Kyle H. Rittenhouse, who protected the community of Kenosha, Wisconsin, during a Black Lives Matter (BLM) riot..."
A new proposal in the US House of Representatives seeks to reward Kyle Rittenhouse with their highest honor: a Congressional Gold Medal.
On Tuesday, Georgia Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene submitted House Resolution 6070: "To award a Congressional Gold Medal to Kyle H. Rittenhouse, who protected the community of Kenosha, Wisconsin, during a Black Lives Matter (BLM) riot on August 25, 2020."
Greene told The Post Millennial that "Democrats planted the seeds of chaos and stoked violence in cities all across our country for a year. Communities suffered billions in damages by BLM / Antifa domestic terrorists, all while the media cheered it on. A 17 year-old boy stepped forward when most men stayed home. Kyle Rittenhouse deserves to be remembered as a hero who defended his community, protected businesses, and acted lawfully in the face of lawlessness. I’m proud to file this legislation to award Kyle Rittenhouse a Congressional Gold Medal."
Given the current level of Democrat control in the House of Representatives and the Senate, it’s unlikely that H.R. 6070 will make it any further than that in terms of congressional procedure
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@Smokin Joe
I got to be honest,here. The poise and judgement this young man exhibited was almost impossible to believe.
I don't care who you are,once you go full-berserker and start pulling the trigger,it's damn hard to stop before the magazine is empty,no matter how old you are or who you are.
ESPECIALLY when you look up and the whole damn street if full of targets.
He should have received something like the Nobel Peace Prize instead of a trial.
He reminds me of the many young men who voluntarily took part in WW2, including my own father.
They undertook their military assignment because they were patriots, not hardened professionals.
They had enough of a moral compass within them to know immediately the proper way to respond when threatened, and enough practical knowledge on weaponry to respond with results.
They came out of that war still young but seasoned with maturity and made America a better place after saving us from disaster.
Kyle will be one of those and he certainly deserves any accolade we can afford him.
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We had unbelievable luck, with the Kenosha incident.
First of all, they were rioting. Sometimes they don't, and the incident could have happened at one of those times. But Kyle was genuinely trying to prevent a gas station from being set alight.
And the arsonists had targetted a used car lot owned by Indian (non-white!) immigrants.
Second of all, the people he shot. Not ALL demonstrators, and not even all rioters, are felons, much less paedophile rapists. What are the odds that they three who attacked him would all be people with a criminal record? Imagine if he had shot a pretty little naive college girl, even by mistake.
Third, there is Kyle himself. You couldn't find a better poster boy for our side, to appeal to the broad middle, the middle-class, the soccer moms whom Trump drove away. Almost goody-goody to a fault, naive, earnest, eager to help, taking lifesaving courses. And a wonderful witness.
A perfect trifecta for our side. Okay, he could have been Black. But you can't have everything.
I've followed the comments on Youtube videos about the case, which have gotten hundreds of thousands of views and thousands upon thousands of comments. They are 99% pro-Kyle. More importantly, they seem to be from young males (the main Youtube watchers) who, judging from what they say in their comments, are not political, although many are probably 'red-pilled'.
This is an important demographic for us to reach. These people don't watch Ben Shapiro and Candace Owen, don't care about the Socialist Calculation Question, and many are probably not in college, or not in the kind of colleges that YAF and Turning Point are in. A lot of them probably are not even registered to vote. This case has awakened them.
We ought to devote some time to thinking about how to reach this group and draw them into activity which could deepen their political understanding. Suggestions welcome.
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We had unbelievable luck, with the Kenosha incident.
First of all, they were rioting. Sometimes they don't, and the incident could have happened at one of those times. But Kyle was genuinely trying to prevent a gas station from being set alight.
And the arsonists had targetted a used car lot owned by Indian (non-white!) immigrants.
Second of all, the people he shot. Not ALL demonstrators, and not even all rioters, are felons, much less paedophile rapists. What are the odds that they three who attacked him would all be people with a criminal record? Imagine if he had shot a pretty little naive college girl, even by mistake.
Third, there is Kyle himself. You couldn't find a better poster boy for our side, to appeal to the broad middle, the middle-class, the soccer moms whom Trump drove away. Almost goody-goody to a fault, naive, earnest, eager to help, taking lifesaving courses. And a wonderful witness.
A perfect trifecta for our side. Okay, he could have been Black. But you can't have everything.
I've followed the comments on Youtube videos about the case, which have gotten hundreds of thousands of views and thousands upon thousands of comments. They are 99% pro-Kyle. More importantly, they seem to be from young males (the main Youtube watchers) who, judging from what they say in their comments, are not political, although many are probably 'red-pilled'.
This is an important demographic for us to reach. These people don't watch Ben Shapiro and Candace Owen, don't care about the Socialist Calculation Question, and many are probably not in college, or not in the kind of colleges that YAF and Turning Point are in. A lot of them probably are not even registered to vote. This case has awakened them.
We ought to devote some time to thinking about how to reach this group and draw them into activity which could deepen their political understanding. Suggestions welcome.
Four, it was all caught on several cameras, from different angles and in high definition. The way the left dissembles and deflects now they could've claimed anything they wanted, and they did, but the video tape doesn't lie.
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Yes, good point. A very good point. No video, no justice.
And a lesson for us. At all future events where AntiFa/BLM might turn up -- our peaceful rallies, their violent riots -- we must have several 'designated recorders' with video capacity.
If we have the manpower, one or more of them should be, if possible, in an elevated position so that a panoramic view of the whole scene can be recorded; and -- again, if manpower is available -- our on-the-ground recorders should have a couple of 'minders' to protect them, because the Left will have learned this lesson as well.
And it probably wouldn't hurt to make body-cams SOP for our people.
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Yes, good point. A very good point. No video, no justice.
And a lesson for us. At all future events where AntiFa/BLM might turn up -- our peaceful rallies, their violent riots -- we must have several 'designated recorders' with video capacity.
If we have the manpower, one or more of them should be, if possible, in an elevated position so that a panoramic view of the whole scene can be recorded; and -- again, if manpower is available -- our on-the-ground recorders should have a couple of 'minders' to protect them, because the Left will have learned this lesson as well.
And it probably wouldn't hurt to make body-cams SOP for our people.
That point is nowhere more evident in what is happening to the Jan 6 defendants. The DOJ refuses to release all the video that would prove that the vast majority are innocent of anything more than maybe trespass and not even that where they were allowed in by Capitol Brown Shirts.
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Doug 1943 wrote:
"I've followed the comments on Youtube videos about the case, which have gotten hundreds of thousands of views and thousands upon thousands of comments. They are 99% pro-Kyle. More importantly, they seem to be from young males (the main Youtube watchers) who, judging from what they say in their comments, are not political, although many are probably 'red-pilled'.
This is an important demographic for us to reach. These people don't watch Ben Shapiro and Candace Owen, don't care about the Socialist Calculation Question, and many are probably not in college, or not in the kind of colleges that YAF and Turning Point are in. A lot of them probably are not even registered to vote. This case has awakened them.
We ought to devote some time to thinking about how to reach this group and draw them into activity which could deepen their political understanding. Suggestions welcome."
My suggestion:
They are recruits for the "New Continental Army".
Their services are going to be needed in "the struggle yet to come".
How's that hit ya...?
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I'm perfectly happy with that. However, there are things which are said, and not done. And things which are done, and not said.
We have to be very very cautious with our language (don't we, Mr FBI recorder?).
What I advocate is the formation of purely defensive, purely peaceful, purely legal, community defense teams.
These teams should train and equip themselves in first aid, and in the sorts of engineering and related skills needed after a disaster -- how to deal with downed power lines, fires, trapped individuals, blocked roads. They should train and equip themselves in how to defend a community from an armed mob. They should be thoroughly versed in law governing the employment of deadly force by non-military and non-LEO individuals.
I think the people who are behind the website at USCPT.org are on the right track here.
All thei members of such teams -- and indeed all patriots -- who are under 36 and who have not yet performed their military service should enlist in the National Guard.
They should have auxiliary groups which, in emergencies which require an armed defensive team, can carry out the necessary support activities -- intel, medical, transport, logistics, etc. A 70 year old grandmother in a concealed position on the roof of a buidling with a pair of binoculars and Baifeng can be a serious force mulitiplier for the men on the ground with kinetic defensive tools.
They should also get as close to local law enforcement as possible -- through civilian 'Back the Blue' groups. Where similar activities can be carried out for the military, even just participation in USO events, these should be done.
If push comes to shove, the Bad Guys have only three sets of people we have to worry about: the children in the Socialist Rifle Associations and similar groups -- effectively zero; the armed mobs, perhaps stiffened by serious gangs like M13 -- rather more serious, but not a military force; and the actual military, which the Left is working hard to hollow out and take over. If the latter remain intact and loyal to a government in the hands of the enemies of America, we will lose.
Anyone serious about this must read, at a minimum, the How-Not-to-Do-It book, Armed Insurrection, by "A.Neuberg" (a name for a group of authors); and the How-to-Do-It book, The History of the Russian Revolution, by Leon Trotsky. Both available as free ebooks, downloadable from Marxists.org.
The main general lesson from the these books is that military ability is worthless without political ability. If you attempt to overturn a government which still has, in either active or passive form, majority support -and therefore the support of its military - you will lose. Pulling away that support is a political task, and requires the abiltiy to make alliances, to garner broad support around single issues, to take advantage of 'Bridge at Remagen' moments when you should rapidly shift tactical emphasis and throw everything you've got into attaining one goal, and knowing when to lay low for a while.
We do not yet have leaders who have shown they have these skills. But we can start now building community defense teams, which should of course avoid the frightening 'M-word'. If they're smart, for every day they spend at a shooting range, they'll spend a day helping with Habitat for Humanity projects.