Kyle Rittenhouse Jury Selected – Trial Begins Tuesday

[Right_in_Virginia]

https://mobile.twitter.com/seanmdav/status/1461387301356032009

[Hoodat]

When I lived up north, opening day was a legal absence day, for anyone that went hunting. If you did not get a deer opening day, the administration would turn a blind eye to up to 3 more days. This was a poor rural community and a deer or two in the freezer went a long way to preventing a skinny Christmas.

It's that way in the 'Boro, but we only got one day.  I think Augusta Co. schools may have gotten more.  The principal at our Jr. High (now a middle school) was a bigtime duck hunter, and even he would take an excused day off to go hunting.

[LegalAmerican]

https://mobile.twitter.com/seanmdav/status/1461387301356032009

Have people always been this EVIL?  I keep getting shocked at people's behaviors.  I.e. Joy Reid. Accomplished liar. 

[Right_in_Virginia]

https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1461508268874944512

[mystery-ak]

https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1461508268874944512

OMG Why does he think that?.....yikes!

[Kamaji]

https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1461508268874944512

That's a shame.  However, it will, ultimately, force the judge to rule on the motions for a mistrial.

[mystery-ak]

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MSNBC's position is seriously that they weren't intimidating the jurors, they were just stalking them. For now.

[Elderberry]

Has Jury Foreperson Gone Rogue And Holding Back Acquittal?

Legal Insurrection  by Andrew Branca Thursday, November 18, 2021 at 08:03pm

https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/11/rittenhouse-verdict-watch-has-jury-foreperson-gone-rogue-and-holding-back-acquittal/

Judge allowing the jury to take home instructions raises concerns they’ll play the “dictionary game”

Today completed the third day of jury deliberations in the trial of Kyle Rittenhouse, with no verdict being achieved before the jury was sent home for the day.

There wasn’t much real action today, with the exception of a couple of notable events, and my own increasing belief that we’re dealing with a single hold-out juror for guilt, and that this juror is #54, the foreperson.

When the jury was brought into the courtroom for purposes of dismissal, shortly after 4:00 p.m. Wisconsin time, Judge Schroeder imprudently asked if any of them had any questions for him.  One did.  A woman juror asked if she could be permitted to take home a copy of the 36 or so pages of jury instructions.

The judge looked over at the parties, and although the State appeared to make no particular signal, defense Attorney Marc Richards shook his head slightly but observably in the negative.

Despite this, Judge Schroeder announced that he would agree to the request and that the same option would be extended to all the jurors.  Whether only the one juror who made the request ultimately took home the instructions, or whether multiple or even all jurors did so, is unknown.

Frankly, it’s rather remarkable that any juror who had already been struggling with the instructions for more than 7 hours today alone, as well as the two prior days, would be interested in continuing to work with that at home in the evenings.

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My Suspicion: Juror #54, Foreperson, Is the Holdout Against Acquittal

I have a growing suspicion that this jury has not yet arrived at a unanimous verdict of acquittal only because of the resistance of juror #54, a woman who also happens to be the foreperson, who seems to be the hold-out against acquittal.

The jury selection risk to Kyle was always going to be that a “mask Karen” type, usually of leftist political persuasion, bossy, entitled, and status-sensitive, would be seated on the jury.  Such a person would be most unlikely to ever vote for acquittal—her social group would necessarily know she had done so, given the unanimous nature of an acquittal.

In addition, this type of person is likely to seize the leadership position of foreperson on a jury, to suit their bossy and entitled nature.  Such a person also tends to be outspoken and forward in circumstances where other people would defer to apparently higher authority.

There has been one apparently female juror who on several occasions can be overheard being unusually familiar with Judge Schroeder—not in the sense of knowing him personally, but in the sense of engaging in a relaxed discussion that one does not usually find between a juror and a trial judge.

Then we have the jury note from yesterday asking for access to the Exhibit #5 drone video footage and related evidence.  It was written by juror #54, the jury foreperson, and an apparent woman:

The tone of that note suggests to me that the person who wrote it is accustomed to giving orders to underlings—personal assistants, staff, household help—and here the note is being addressed in this tone to the trial judge as if the judge were a staffer to the jury foreperson.

Then this evening we had the very unusual request to be permitted to take the jury instructions home, made by a single juror—a female juror.

I suspect that all of this conduct is that of juror #54, the female foreperson of this jury—who I suspect is precisely the kind of “mask Karen,” left-leaning, bossy, entitled, and status-sensitive juror that would be most likely to hold out against acquittal.

[mystery-ak]

I suspect that all of this conduct is that of juror #54, the female foreperson of this jury—who I suspect is precisely the kind of “mask Karen,” left-leaning, bossy, entitled, and status-sensitive juror that would be most likely to hold out against acquittal.

Interesting...I think it is a woman that is the hold-out here too....a *Karen*...probably.

[Kamaji]

Interesting...I think it is a woman that is the hold-out here too....a *Karen*...probably.

To be honest, I really think the rules on acquittal and conviction should be modified.  There should be no such thing as a hung jury in a criminal trial.  There should only be two options:  conviction, based on a unanimous vote of the jurors, or acquittal if a conviction cannot be obtained.  The fact that not all jurors will vote for conviction should mean that the prosecution clearly did not meet its obligation to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

Anything else simply incentivizes prosecutors to use the first trial as a test-bed, to try out various theories and hobby-horses, secure in the knowledge that they can get a mulligan and get a second trial even if they can't get a conviction, so long as at least one juror is willing to vote for conviction instead of acquittal.

[mountaineer]

I agree, @Kamaji

[Polly Ticks]

OMG Why does he think that?.....yikes!

Based on another tweet/article I read earlier, it was just his gut feeling from how they looked when they came in to be dismissed at the end of the day. They didn't he had anything more concrete to go on other than that ... but who knows.

[Polly Ticks]

To be honest, I really think the rules on acquittal and conviction should be modified.  There should be no such thing as a hung jury in a criminal trial.  There should only be two options:  conviction, based on a unanimous vote of the jurors, or acquittal if a conviction cannot be obtained.  The fact that not all jurors will vote for conviction should mean that the prosecution clearly did not meet its obligation to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

Anything else simply incentivizes prosecutors to use the first trial as a test-bed, to try out various theories and hobby-horses, secure in the knowledge that they can get a mulligan and get a second trial even if they can't get a conviction, so long as at least one juror is willing to vote for conviction instead of acquittal.

That would certainly add weight to the presumption of innocence.

[skeeter]

That's a shame.  However, it will, ultimately, force the judge to rule on the motions for a mistrial.

Add trial by jury of ones peers to the growing list of institution destroyed by the left.

They’re batting a thousand.

[Right_in_Virginia]

OMG Why does he think that?.....yikes!

It's really not a "yikes".  Whether it's 11-1 or 6-6; it's a hung jury.  And we'll get to know the  judge's verdict on a mistrial with prejudice.

@mystery-ak

[Right_in_Virginia]

https://mobile.twitter.com/ColumbiaBugle/status/1461525071030366208

[verga]

@verga @Hoodat

I have mentioned before that when I was going to high school,I would go duck hunting before school began,and then walk into the school carrying my 12 gauge double barrel shotgun and lock it away in my hall locker until school had ended.

AFAIK,nobody even paid any attention to either me or the shotgun.

Granted,it was a rural school where pretty much every kid in the counter knew every other kid in the county,as well as their mothers and fathers.

Just accepting responsibility without even thinking about it was normal for rural kids. They also piloted boats and operated heavy machinery. It was just a  part of normal life for them.

City kids might have gotten away with pointing toy guns at other kids and shouting "bang,bang,you're dead!",but that's because they didn't have real guns. Rural kids had real guns,and lived in fear of somebody telling their mother they had been pointing them at someone. They knew not only would their gun be taken away,but they also knew their mama's would just fry their asses at random times with no warning if they caught them playing games with their guns.

BTW,I got that 12 gauge from my father by winning a bet on who would be elected President,Eisenhower,or some Dim loser. I picked Ike,and got a 12 gauge out of it.

@sneakypete  Pretty much the same at the school I worked at. The only difference was the kids kept the shot guns locked in the rifle rack, in a locked truck in the parking lot.

[cato potatoe]

Running towards the police may have been a bad idea.

[LMAO]

@sneakypete  Pretty much the same at the school I worked at. The only difference was the kids kept the shot guns locked in the rifle rack, in a locked truck in the parking lot.

In high school, many of us boys would go ruffed grouse hunting after school. The principal didn’t care if we had the guns in our cars while parked on the school parking lot. His only rule was he didn’t want to see people waving guns out during school hours in the parking lot. As long as they were locked in your vehicle, there was no problem

I think the schools today are more “feminine” from when I was in high school.

[mystery-ak]

Jurors’ Verdict Count Overheard; May Be Closer Than Expected According To Newsmax
Martin Walsh November 19, 2021

The trial of Kyle Rittenhouse has taken another concerning turn.

A new report from Newsmax alleges that the jurors’ verdict count is a lot closer than many might have thought.

Newsmax reported that sources said the current verdict count is split — 6 to 6.

The Newsmax reporter said he overheard Mark Richards, one of the attorneys for Rittenhouse, say that he believes the jury is at a “6-6 split.”

WATCH:

https://rumble.com/embed/vmu7nb/?pub=4

more
https://conservativebrief.com/count-54822/

[Elderberry]

6-6 is Close?

[mystery-ak]

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BREAKING: Day 4 of deliberations in the Kyle Rittenhouse trial are officially underway in Kenosha.

[Elderberry]

No Live Videos Yet. I read that they are starting @ 9:30 Today.

[mystery-ak]

Subornation of Perjury? Photographic Evidence Emerges Online Contradicting Rittenhouse Prosecutors’ Witnesses

https://amgreatness.com/2021/11/18/subornation-of-perjury-photographic-evidence-emerges-online-contradicting-rittenhouse-prosecutors-witnesses/

[mystery-ak]

6-6 is Close?

I don't think anyone knows..it's just a guessing game filled with dis-information...