Kyle Rittenhouse Jury Selected – Trial Begins Tuesday

[Hoodat]

Julio Rosas
@Julio_Rosas11
That "crowd full of heroes" was the same crowd I saw just moments before attacking the very courthouse this trial is taking place at, along with attacking the police and National Guardsmen.

Ouch!

[txradioguy]

Jacek Posobiec
@JackPosobiec
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Binger is now attacking Kyle Rittenhouse for having an AR-15 illegally even after the charge was dismissed

[Kamaji]

That should be clear prosecutorial misconduct.

[mystery-ak]

Rekieta Media
@RekietaMedia
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52m
"My client had the same right as anyone else in Kenosha to not be molested by Mr. Rosenbaum."

ROFL!  NAILED IT.

[Killer Clouds]

I believe the laws say he cannot purchase one, not that he cannot possess one. If the firearm is a gift or a loaner, he can have it in his possession. Otherwise, how would there ever be youth hunting programs in either State?

It is a felony to give a minor a firearm unless the minor is supervised by an adult and has the proper training certifications. Rittenhouse was a minor from Illinois (out of state ). He didn't have the training required to possess a firearm. Black, the guy that gave Rittenhouse the firearm, has already admitted that the previous summer Rittenhouse gave him money to buy the AR-15 for him. That is a federal felony for both of them because it is what is called a straw purchase. There is no legal way for a 17yo from Illinois to legally possess a firearm in Wisconsin. State and federal laws say.

[Kamaji]

It is a felony to give a minor a firearm unless the minor is supervised by an adult and has the proper training certifications. Rittenhouse was a minor from Illinois (out of state ). He didn't have the training required to possess a firearm. Black, the guy that gave Rittenhouse the firearm, has already admitted that the previous summer Rittenhouse gave him money to buy the AR-15 for him. That is a federal felony for both of them because it is what is called a straw purchase. There is no legal way for a 17yo from Illinois to legally possess a firearm in Wisconsin. State and federal laws say.

You'd have a bit more credibility if you could find a statute or two that supported your argument.  Particularly within the context of this case.  The prosecution has already conceded that the weapon carried by Rittenhouse was not a short-barreled rifle, and that pretty much disposes of the Wisconsin allegations.

[Killer Clouds]

Siri: How can I show I know nothing about Wisconsin gun laws without saying I know nothing about Wisconsin gun laws?


IIRC It was already at a family members house in Kenosha

It was not at a family members house. I was his friend Black that gave it to him. Also it doesn't matter if it was a family member. There is no legal way possible for a 17yo from Illinois to possess a firearm in Wisconsin.

[Kamaji]

It was not at a family members house. I was his friend Black that gave it to him. Also it doesn't matter if it was a family member. There is no legal way possible for a 17yo from Illinois to possess a firearm in Wisconsin.

What part of the Wisconsin statute makes legality of possession depend on the possessor's state of residence?

[Killer Clouds]

Do explain.  With citation to statutes, careful quotation of actual statutory language, and case law, if applicable.  Your bald-faced assertions fly in the face of the Wisconsin statutory language itself.

948.60 Wisconsin statute to start. Federal also applies.

[Kamaji]

948.60 Wisconsin statute to start. Federal also applies.

Nope.

948.60(3)(c):  "This section applies only to a person under 18 years of age who possesses or is armed with a rifle or a shotgun if the person is in violation of s. 941.28 or is not in compliance with ss. 29.304 and 29.593. This section applies only to an adult who transfers a firearm to a person under 18 years of age if the person under 18 years of age is not in compliance with ss. 29.304 and 29.593 or to an adult who is in violation of s. 941.28."

Since, as the prosecution conceded, Mr. Rittenhouse's rifle was not a short-barreled rifle within the meaning of s. 941.28, "this section" - i.e., 948.60 in its entirety - does not apply to Mr. Rittenhouse.

[Killer Clouds]

Yet some Wisconsin schools allow students an excused absence from school during the school year to go hunting.  Go figure.

A gun deer hunting license costs $20 for ages 12-17, and just $7 for those under age 12.  Perhaps you should read what Wisconsin law actually says instead of parroting lies about how it's illegal for minors to possess guns.


How so?

Since you haven't bothered to read the statute yourself before regurgitating PMSDNC propaganda, here is the statute:

948.60  Possession of a dangerous weapon by a person under 18.

(3) (c) This section applies only to a person under 18 years of age who possesses or is armed with a rifle or a shotgun if the person is in violation of s. 941.28 or is not in compliance with ss. 29.304 and 29.593.

In other words, all bets are off.  The statute does not apply.  Which is why Wisconsin is an OPEN CARRY STATE


Wisconsin law says otherwise.

Those laws apply to Wisconsin residents. Rittenhouse is a minor from Illinois. Explain how a minor from Illinois can legally have possession and own a firearm i. Wisconsin? The answer is he can't.

[Kamaji]

Those laws apply to Wisconsin residents. Rittenhouse is a minor from Illinois. Explain how a minor from Illinois can legally have possession and own a firearm i. Wisconsin? The answer is he can't.

Where, pray tell, is the provision that limits its applicability only to minors who are residents of Wisconsin?

You don't get to just make it up willy-nilly when it comes to criminal law; the statute has to set out the elements.

[txradioguy]

It is a felony to give a minor a firearm unless the minor is supervised by an adult and has the proper training certifications. Rittenhouse was a minor from Illinois (out of state ). He didn't have the training required to possess a firearm. Black, the guy that gave Rittenhouse the firearm, has already admitted that the previous summer Rittenhouse gave him money to buy the AR-15 for him. That is a federal felony for both of them because it is what is called a straw purchase. There is no legal way for a 17yo from Illinois to legally possess a firearm in Wisconsin. State and federal laws say.

Do you have any links specific to the gun laws of the State of Wisconsin pertaining to what you're babbling about?

Because a duly elected Judge in the State of Wisconsin ruled otherwise.

Something tells me he knows a tad bit more about state laws and regulations than you.

[txradioguy]

Those laws apply to Wisconsin residents. Rittenhouse is a minor from Illinois. Explain how a minor from Illinois can legally have possession and own a firearm i. Wisconsin? The answer is he can't.

Point out in what Hoodat posted that it's limited to residents.

[Killer Clouds]

While he could not purchase that rifle, he could legally possess it. Back to hunting, otherwise, no one under the age of 18 would be able to hunt in either state.In Wisconsin, you can hunt as young as 12, but the firearm must be provided by an adult. So, frankly the whole canard about him possessing the rifle being illegal is patently false.

The law also says that minors must have proper training and certification to use the firearm for hunting. Rittenhouse had someone purchase the firearm for him and that is a federal felony. Wisconsin law states selling or giving a firearm to a minor that doesn't have the proper training and certification is a felony.

[txradioguy]

948.60 Wisconsin statute to start. Federal also applies.

Not according to the trial judge.

[txradioguy]

It was not at a family members house. I was his friend Black that gave it to him. Also it doesn't matter if it was a family member. There is no legal way possible for a 17yo from Illinois to possess a firearm in Wisconsin.

Thanks for confirming the first part of what I said earlier that you quoted above.

[Kamaji]

The law also says that minors must have proper training and certification to use the firearm for hunting. Rittenhouse had someone purchase the firearm for him and that is a federal felony. Wisconsin law states selling or giving a firearm to a minor that doesn't have the proper training and certification is a felony.

He wasn't using it for hunting, was he?  He possessed a long-barreled rifle, and according to the judge who has resolved the remaining statutory ambiguities, the charge doesn't apply because the exception applies.

Now, would you be so kind as to indicate where these various provisions are limited to minors who are residents of Wisconsin?

[txradioguy]

Rittenhouse had someone purchase the firearm for him and that is a federal felony.

There is no evidence there was any kind of straw purchase for Rittenhouse.

Wisconsin law states selling or giving a firearm to a minor that doesn't have the proper training and certification is a felony.

Link?

[txradioguy]

He wasn't using it for hunting, was he?  He possessed a long-barreled rifle, and according to the judge who has resolved the remaining statutory ambiguities, the charge doesn't apply because the exception applies.

Now, would you be so kind as to indicate where these various provisions are limited to minors who are residents of Wisconsin?

Killer seems to be getting all his false info on Rittenhosue from his favorite Liberal anti gun websites.

[240B]

Not according to the trial judge.

@Killer Clouds
has already testified that the Judge is an idiot and does not know the 'law' as he sees it.

[DCPatriot]

It is a felony to give a minor a firearm unless the minor is supervised by an adult and has the proper training certifications. Rittenhouse was a minor from Illinois (out of state ). He didn't have the training required to possess a firearm. Black, the guy that gave Rittenhouse the firearm, has already admitted that the previous summer Rittenhouse gave him money to buy the AR-15 for him. That is a federal felony for both of them because it is what is called a straw purchase. There is no legal way for a 17yo from Illinois to legally possess a firearm in Wisconsin. State and federal laws say.

Don't his grandparents and other relatives live in Kenosha?   Mi casa, su casa!

 

[Hoodat]

It is a felony to give a minor a firearm unless the minor is supervised by an adult and has the proper training certifications.

Pure BS.  I already posted the statute.  And all you have posted is non-substantiated MSDNC talking points.  Felony, eh?  Let's see the statute, counselor.

[Hoodat]

Not according to the trial judge.

Not according to Wisconsin law either.

[Bigun]

Pure BS.  I already posted the statute.  And all you have posted is non-substantiated MSDNC talking points.  Felony, eh?  Let's see the statute, counselor.

LOL!  He would starve!