Kyle Rittenhouse Jury Selected – Trial Begins Tuesday

[mystery-ak]

WATCH: Prosecutor Says Rittenhouse Should Have Let Mob Attack Him Because ‘Everybody Takes a Beating Sometimes’

“Everybody takes a beating sometimes, right? … That doesn’t mean you get to start plugging people with your full metal jacket AR-15 rounds.”
Joel B. Pollak15 Nov 2021, 5:55 PM PST

https://www.breitbart.com/2nd-amendment/2021/11/15/watch-prosecutor-says-rittenhouse-should-have-let-mob-attack-him-because-everybody-takes-a-beating-sometimes/

[Smokin Joe]

I got my first shotgun when I was 8th birthday.

Just sayin...

I was hunting ducks and whitetails (shotgun hunting where I grew up, and then the .410 rifled slug was legal) at the ripe old age of 9.

Oddly enough, after I bagged my first whitetail at 11, the State (MD), in its infinite wisdom, declared the .410 was not enough shotgun to kill a deer. So I moved up to a 20ga...

[IsailedawayfromFR]

Whatever happens, I hope that young man eventually makes it into the military.

We need smart and dedicated people like that to defend this country.

[sneakypete]

I got my first shotgun when I was 8th birthday.

Just sayin...

@txradioguy


Same here. Kept both it and the shells for it in my room with me.

[Hoodat]

I prayed for this young man and the jury last night. 

The prayers of a righteous mountain woman avail much.

I kept coming back to the story of Joseph.  But the point is that G-d will be victorious in the end.

[Smokin Joe]

WATCH: Prosecutor Says Rittenhouse Should Have Let Mob Attack Him Because ‘Everybody Takes a Beating Sometimes’

“Everybody takes a beating sometimes, right? … That doesn’t mean you get to start plugging people with your full metal jacket AR-15 rounds.”
Joel B. Pollak15 Nov 2021, 5:55 PM PST

https://www.breitbart.com/2nd-amendment/2021/11/15/watch-prosecutor-says-rittenhouse-should-have-let-mob-attack-him-because-everybody-takes-a-beating-sometimes/

Note, if the rounds had been soft point or hollow point bullets, the Prosecution probably would have been howling about "cop killer bullets".

[mountaineer]

Kurt Schlichter
@KurtSchlichter
Kyle capped a pedo. No wonder @ProjectLincoln hates him.
10:16 PM · Nov 15, 2021

[txradioguy]

There was testimony Rosenbaum threatened to kill Rittenhouse. Then there's the video showing Rosenbaum chase him, the kid fleeing before turning and shooting him.

The fact this farce has gone this far is the real tragedy. The prosecution has succeeded in getting everyone wrapped around the axle on this thing. Hopefully the jury sees clearly.

Heard this morning that the DA is a really good litigator who's star is on the rise...and that he knew this was a loser of a case from the prosecutor perspective and that's why he kicked it over to Binger and fat guy caught on camera face palming.

[mystery-ak]

Rittenhouse Prosecution's Rebuttal Argument Was So Bad It Made Jaws Drop

https://redstate.com/nick-arama/2021/11/16/rittenhouse-prosecutions-rebuttal-argument-was-so-bad-it-made-jaws-drop-n476507

[txradioguy]

Kurt Schlichter
@KurtSchlichter
Kyle capped a pedo. No wonder @ProjectLincoln hates him.
10:16 PM · Nov 15, 2021

   It's funny cause it's true!

[sneakypete]

There was testimony Rosenbaum threatened to kill Rittenhouse. Then there's the video showing Rosenbaum chase him, the kid fleeing before turning and shooting him.

The fact this farce has gone this far is the real tragedy. The prosecution has succeeded in getting everyone wrapped around the axle on this thing. Hopefully the jury sees clearly.

@skeeter

I think that prosecutor has just killed his own legal as well as political career. He is NEVER going to land in the big easy money of his dreams. IF he is lucky,the Dims will allow him to remain a DA in a nothing,nowhere town. IF he loses big and the RTCABA ends up being strengthened by this,which I see as likely,he will be damn lucky to still be a DA.

NOBODY has ever called the left faithful or grateful for effort. You either advance the cause,or you are road kill.

[skeeter]

@skeeter

I think that prosecutor has just killed his own legal as well as political career. He is NEVER going to land in the big easy money of his dreams. IF he is lucky,the Dims will allow him to remain a DA in a nothing,nowhere town. IF he loses big and the RTCABA ends up being strengthened by this,which I see as likely,he will be damn lucky to still be a DA.

NOBODY has ever called the left faithful or grateful for effort. You either advance the cause,or you are road kill.

I hope you're right, @sneakypete. I worry cause we're in a post-common sense era.

[mountaineer]

The usual loonies weigh in:



McKelvey was a rising star in Portland radical "activism" until it was revealed in 2019 he was arrested on suspicion of kidnapping and strangling an underage girl back in 2011.

[Smokin Joe]

The usual loonies weigh in:



McKelvey was a rising star in Portland radical "activism" until it was revealed in 2019 he was arrested on suspicion of kidnapping and strangling an underage girl back in 2011.

Give employees of one skin tone the day off? That's racist!

[mountaineer]

[mystery-ak]

https://twitter.com/SKMorefield/status/1460420487776018435

[Elderberry]

Rittenhouse Trial: Big Wins for Defense on Jury Instructions, State Leads with Provocation

Legal Insurrection by Andrew Branca Monday, November 15, 2021 at 02:26pm

https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/11/rittenhouse-trial-big-wins-for-defense-on-jury-instructions-state-leads-with-provocation/

Worth remembering ADA Binger mentioned provocation zero times in opening statement

The defense came away with three big wins as a result of these discussions, and one that did not go their way.

One win was the dismissal of the gun possession charge—finally!  My first analysis of this gun possession charge that concluded it ought to be dismissed as a matter of law, and never be considered by a jury, was posted way back on September 7, 2020, more than 14 months ago.  It was nice to see Judge Schroeder finally see the wisdom of my position.  So, Count 6, the gun possession charge, has been discarded.

A second win, with respect to the State’s argument of provocation, the State will not be permitted to claim as fact that Kyle pointed his rifle at the Ziminski’s. This is important for the defense, because the purported provocation of pointing the rifle at the Ziminski’s, which if believed would strip Kyle of self-defense completely, requires an unlawful act on his part that provoked the Rosenbaum attack.

The State wants to claim that unlawful act was Kyle pointing the gun at the Ziminski’s—but there’s no actual evidence of this.  There’s no photo or testimony that Kyle pointed his rifle at the Ziminski’s.  Even the “enhanced” drone video left for the prosecution by the evidence fairy does not have the Ziminski’s in frame when Kyle is supposedly pointing his rifle.

So, the State will only be permitted to argue that Kyle pointed his rifle in some general direction, that different video shows the Ziminski’s in that general area, and therefore the jury should infer that Kyle was pointing his rifle at the Ziminski’s.

If the jury disbelieves any part of that, there was no unlawful act that provoked the Rosenbaum charge, and therefore no provocation that strips Kyle of self-defense.

A third win, with respect to Count 2, the reckless endangerment of McGinnis, the judge agreed to the suggestion by defense attorney Chirafisi that he would instruct the jury that if Kyle’s use of force with respect to Rosenbaum was lawful self-defense, then it was not conduct that was reckless with respect to McGinnis—so, if shooting Rosenbaum was lawful self-defense, there also was no reckless endangerment of McGinnis. Self-defense on Count 1 would also clear away Count 2.

One point that did not go the way of the defense was their request for a jury instruction that the jury ought not convict Kyle solely on the drone video footage.  The judge declined that instruction, saying it’s up to the jury to weigh the evidence.

These discussions were followed by the actual instruction of the jury in the courtroom, and this was among the most confusing and disjointed instructions of a jury I’ve ever seen. At one point, in fact, the judge sent the jury out of the courtroom, as he recognized just what a mess the process had become.

Here the defense actually acquired a fourth big win on the jury instructions.

The issue had been that the instructions as provided in standardized form might have misled the jury into believing that even if they found the defendant not guilty of a primary criminal charge on the grounds of self-defense, that they then should nevertheless go on to consider if he’s guilty of one of the lesser included charges.

This is not how it works. If the defendant is clear of the primary charge on the basis of self-defense, his conduct was legally justified, and cannot be the basis for a conviction on a lesser included charge.

Ultimately, Judge Schroeder decided that he would essentially just tell the jury that if they believed the defendant’s conduct was self-defense, they were done—that was a not guilty verdict on that charge, and they need not consider either the primary charge nor any lesser included charges in that count.

That’s what the jury SHOULD have been instructed to do-consider self-defense first.  If they do that, and find self-defense, they’ve made their deliberations a heck of a lot more efficient, because they’ll never have to consider the corresponding criminal charge of its lesser includeds at all.

[txradioguy]

Jury has retired to decide the verdict.  Keep your fingers crossed. 

[Ghost Bear]

Rekieta Law livestream for today, lawyers discussing the case while waiting for the verdict to come back.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whA5p5qmJrc

[Kamaji]

Jury has retired to decide the verdict.  Keep your fingers crossed. 

[Kamaji]

So now the waiting commences.  Anyone want to hazard a guess on how long it will take to hear from the jury?  And will the first time be a request for clarification, a statement that the jury is deadlocked, or a result (either acquittal or conviction)?

[Polly Ticks]

https://twitter.com/sierragillespie/status/1460627650087731208

https://twitter.com/sierragillespie/status/1460628765432852480

[Lando Lincoln]

I hope my fellow Cheeseheads do the right thing for this young man and acquit him on all counts.

[Kamaji]

I hope my fellow Cheeseheads do the right thing for this young man and acquit him on all counts.

[skeeter]

I hope my fellow Cheeseheads do the right thing for this young man and acquit him on all counts.

I hope so as well, as the consequences for all of us are dire if they do not.