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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse Jury Selected – Trial Begins Tuesday
« Reply #575 on: November 16, 2021, 04:39:44 pm »
I was wondering what was the scoop with the request for a mistrial with prejudice but apparently it is still pending as of the most recent article I could find (which was dated yesterday).  Weird.

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Motion for mistrial with prejudice still on the table in Rittenhouse trial

Posted: Nov 15, 2021 5:42 PM CST
KENOSHA, Wis. (CBS 58) -- In the trial of Kyle Rittenhouse, the judge has yet to issue a ruling on the motion for mistrial with prejudice.

The defense filed the motion a week ago, and Judge Bruce Schroeder said he would contemplate it. He did not issue a ruling on Monday, Nov. 15, the day attorneys on both sides wrapped up closing arguments.

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Legal expert Julius Kim said he would anticipate a decision from the judge before the jury is given the case, but that's not always the case.

"I have heard of situations before where judges have waited until a verdict before a ruling on something like that. It's sounds crazy. But we don't know exactly what's going to happen here," Kim said.

https://www.cbs58.com/news/motion-for-mistrial-with-prejudice-still-on-the-table-in-rittenhouse-trial
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse Jury Selected – Trial Begins Tuesday
« Reply #576 on: November 16, 2021, 04:41:38 pm »
Quote from: Polly Ticks on November 16, 2021, 04:39:44 pm
I was wondering what was the scoop with the request for a mistrial with prejudice but apparently it is still pending as of the most recent article I could find (which was dated yesterday).  Weird.

Might be one of those things the judge is waiting to rule on depending on what shakes out with the jury deliberations.
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse Jury Selected – Trial Begins Tuesday
« Reply #577 on: November 16, 2021, 04:52:43 pm »
Quote from: txradioguy on November 16, 2021, 04:41:38 pm
Might be one of those things the judge is waiting to rule on depending on what shakes out with the jury deliberations.

You're probably right. But if I were a jury member who had to put my life on hold to sit through another week of testimony and work through deliberations - all while there were folks out there trying to doxx me - I'd probably be really mad if the judge waited until after the fact to decide to grant it.

I guess we'll see how it shakes out.
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse Jury Selected – Trial Begins Tuesday
« Reply #578 on: November 16, 2021, 05:04:36 pm »
Quote from: Elderberry on November 16, 2021, 02:44:08 am
Rittenhouse Trial:  Defense Delivers Disappointingly Weak Closing Argument

Legal Insurrection by Andrew Branca Monday, November 15, 2021 at 09:35pm

Personally, I wasn't thrilled with the delivery, but the substance was solid and strong.  I also think the rebuttal by Lunchbox was so crazy he ended up proving self defense.
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse Jury Selected – Trial Begins Tuesday
« Reply #579 on: November 16, 2021, 05:17:12 pm »
Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on November 16, 2021, 05:04:36 pm
Personally, I wasn't thrilled with the delivery, but the substance was solid and strong.  I also think the rebuttal by Lunchbox was so crazy he ended up proving self defense.


I wonder if they worked with the "jury specialist" on the tone for the closing arguments, or was that all on Richards?
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse Jury Selected – Trial Begins Tuesday
« Reply #580 on: November 16, 2021, 05:18:33 pm »
Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on November 16, 2021, 05:04:36 pm
Personally, I wasn't thrilled with the delivery, but the substance was solid and strong.  I also think the rebuttal by Lunchbox was so crazy he ended up proving self defense.
"He lied to save his own skin" and "he was too cowardly to use his fists, he had to use his gun" aren't good arguments against a self defense defense.
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse Jury Selected – Trial Begins Tuesday
« Reply #581 on: November 16, 2021, 05:33:21 pm »
Quote from: Hoodat on November 16, 2021, 06:41:02 am
What part of this do you not get?

(c) This section applies only to a person under 18 years of age who possesses or is armed with a rifle or a shotgun if the person is in violation of s. 941.28 or is not in compliance with ss. 29.304 and 29.593. This section applies only to an adult who transfers a firearm to a person under 18 years of age if the person under 18 years of age is not in compliance with ss. 29.304 and 29.593 or to an adult who is in violation of s. 941.28.
What part do you not get that Rittenhouse was not in compliance with 29.304 and 29.593?
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse Jury Selected – Trial Begins Tuesday
« Reply #582 on: November 16, 2021, 05:39:05 pm »
Quote from: sneakypete on November 16, 2021, 03:48:39 am
@Killer Clouds

Wrong a couple of ways.

1: Nobody bought the gun for him. His father legally owned the rifle,and legally allowed his son to use it.

2:His father is a resident of that city.

3:No city,state,or federal firearms laws were broken by him being in possession of the weapon.
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Sorry you are wrong. Rittenhouse already admitted he got the firearm from Black. Black already admitted that Rittenhouse gave him the money to by the firearm for him the previous summer. His father does not live in Wisconsin and his father could not have legally loaned the firearm to Rittenhouse if he did. Rittenhouse didn't have the required training and certifications required by Wisconsin law.
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse Jury Selected – Trial Begins Tuesday
« Reply #583 on: November 16, 2021, 05:40:40 pm »
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse Jury Selected – Trial Begins Tuesday
« Reply #584 on: November 16, 2021, 05:42:41 pm »
Quote from: Killer Clouds on November 16, 2021, 05:33:21 pm
What part do you not get that Rittenhouse was not in compliance with 29.304 and 29.593?

In legalese transfer means buy when it comes to weapons.  Rittenhouse didn't buy the weapon.

It's perfectly legal for him to put his hands on it or have someone give it to him as a gift.

Stop being so obtuse.
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse Jury Selected – Trial Begins Tuesday
« Reply #585 on: November 16, 2021, 05:43:24 pm »
Quote from: Killer Clouds on November 16, 2021, 05:39:05 pm
@sneakypete
Sorry you are wrong. Rittenhouse already admitted he got the firearm from Black. Black already admitted that Rittenhouse gave him the money to by the firearm for him the previous summer. His father does not live in Wisconsin and his father could not have legally loaned the firearm to Rittenhouse if he did. Rittenhouse didn't have the required training and certifications required by Wisconsin law.

Where in the testimony was that said that Rittenhouse gave the money to someone to buy it for him?

Link please.
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse Jury Selected – Trial Begins Tuesday
« Reply #586 on: November 16, 2021, 05:44:35 pm »
Just saw this on Rekieta law. The software used for hocus pocus video has a advisement on its webpage that is not to be used for evidentiary purposes.

https://blog.ampedsoftware.com/2021/10/05/can-ai-be-used-for-forensics-and-investigations/
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse Jury Selected – Trial Begins Tuesday
« Reply #587 on: November 16, 2021, 05:51:24 pm »
Quote from: Killer Clouds on November 16, 2021, 05:39:05 pm
@sneakypete
Sorry you are wrong. Rittenhouse already admitted he got the firearm from Black. Black already admitted that Rittenhouse gave him the money to by the firearm for him the previous summer. His father does not live in Wisconsin and his father could not have legally loaned the firearm to Rittenhouse if he did. Rittenhouse didn't have the required training and certifications required by Wisconsin law.

It’s only a straw purchase if they give the money to someone and that person buys it and hands it over to them to take and do as they please. Black kept physical possession of the firearm and only allowed Kyle to use it, but it always came back to Black’s possession. They only have to have certification/training if they are under 16 and/or hunting.
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse Jury Selected – Trial Begins Tuesday
« Reply #588 on: November 16, 2021, 06:06:49 pm »
Quote from: skeeter on November 16, 2021, 05:18:33 pm
"He lied to save his own skin" and "he was too cowardly to use his fists, he had to use his gun" aren't good arguments against a self defense defense.

I couldn't believe what I was hearing ... he should have just taken the beatings.   :whistle:




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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse Jury Selected – Trial Begins Tuesday
« Reply #589 on: November 16, 2021, 06:10:53 pm »
Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on November 16, 2021, 06:06:49 pm
I couldn't what I was hearing ... he should have just taken the beatings.   :whistle:

My jaw dropped! I heard that what he said was a quote from Goodfellows. I think he was trying to make a cool hocus pocus out of focus line for the jury to remember from the states side, but it just turned into a cringy moment.
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse Jury Selected – Trial Begins Tuesday
« Reply #590 on: November 16, 2021, 06:14:00 pm »
Quote from: Polly Ticks on November 16, 2021, 05:40:40 pm

https://twitter.com/chanleycourttv/status/1460649162161152000?s=21


https://mobile.twitter.com/ChanleyCourtTV/status/1460658034045239296

My understanding of the judge's instructions on self-defense included something along this line:  If you find self-defense, the ballgame's over.



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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse Jury Selected – Trial Begins Tuesday
« Reply #591 on: November 16, 2021, 06:17:36 pm »
Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on November 16, 2021, 06:14:00 pm
My understanding of the judge's instructions on self-defense included something along this line:  If you find self-defense, the ballgame's over.

I bet the majority are going for self defense and they have a few idiots holding on to Bingers interpretation of self defense law.
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse Jury Selected – Trial Begins Tuesday
« Reply #592 on: November 16, 2021, 06:19:32 pm »
Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on November 16, 2021, 06:14:00 pm
My understanding of the judge's instructions on self-defense included something along this line:  If you find self-defense, the ballgame's over.

IIRC that applies to each murder count. Because they have to vote on each count individually.
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse Jury Selected – Trial Begins Tuesday
« Reply #593 on: November 16, 2021, 06:20:37 pm »
This can be heard inside the courthouse.  Why isn't this jury tampering?


https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1460665480264486920
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse Jury Selected – Trial Begins Tuesday
« Reply #594 on: November 16, 2021, 06:24:18 pm »
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse Jury Selected – Trial Begins Tuesday
« Reply #595 on: November 16, 2021, 06:25:51 pm »
Quote from: txradioguy on November 16, 2021, 06:19:32 pm
IIRC that applies to each murder count. Because they have to vote on each count individually.

I got the opposite impression... but, I could be wrong.
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse Jury Selected – Trial Begins Tuesday
« Reply #596 on: November 16, 2021, 06:27:11 pm »
Quote from: Polly Ticks on November 16, 2021, 04:39:44 pm
I was wondering what was the scoop with the request for a mistrial with prejudice but apparently it is still pending as of the most recent article I could find (which was dated yesterday).  Weird.

I think the judge is hoping the jury does the right thing, but is withholding the decision in case they don’t.
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse Jury Selected – Trial Begins Tuesday
« Reply #597 on: November 16, 2021, 06:32:49 pm »
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse Jury Selected – Trial Begins Tuesday
« Reply #598 on: November 16, 2021, 06:32:51 pm »
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse Jury Selected – Trial Begins Tuesday
« Reply #599 on: November 16, 2021, 06:36:18 pm »
Quote from: LilLamb on November 16, 2021, 06:27:11 pm
I think the judge is hoping the jury does the right thing, but is withholding the decision in case they don’t.
Not sure of WI law, but I wonder if he couldn't just have directed the verdict - or dismissed for failure to establish a prima facie case.
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