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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse Jury Selected – Trial Begins Tuesday
« Reply #725 on: November 17, 2021, 07:19:24 pm »
Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on November 17, 2021, 07:14:28 pm
Hopefully this is a career-ending exercise for the prosecution.

Unfortunately, it probably won't be.
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse Jury Selected – Trial Begins Tuesday
« Reply #726 on: November 17, 2021, 07:22:14 pm »
Quote from: Polly Ticks on November 17, 2021, 07:16:09 pm
Judge says he is going to re-open the evidence.  Wow.

From what I’m catching from the live tweets from the trial the defense lawyers are making a strong case for a mistrial with prejudice.  And the prosecutors are just continuing to dig the hole they’re in deeper and deeper. 

I sure hope when Binger and The Fatman go before a judicial misconduct board they provide a better defense for themselves than they did as representatives of the people in prosecuting the Rittenhouse case.
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse Jury Selected – Trial Begins Tuesday
« Reply #727 on: November 17, 2021, 07:22:20 pm »
Quote from: Kamaji on November 17, 2021, 07:19:24 pm
Unfortunately, it probably won't be.

He'll probably get an award for trying to jail Rittenhouse forever, despite failing because of his own ineptness and an impossible case.
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse Jury Selected – Trial Begins Tuesday
« Reply #728 on: November 17, 2021, 07:23:42 pm »
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse Jury Selected – Trial Begins Tuesday
« Reply #729 on: November 17, 2021, 07:26:28 pm »
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse Jury Selected – Trial Begins Tuesday
« Reply #730 on: November 17, 2021, 07:26:52 pm »
Quote from: txradioguy on November 17, 2021, 07:22:14 pm
From what I’m catching from the live tweets from the trial the defense lawyers are making a strong case for a mistrial with prejudice.  And the prosecutors are just continuing to dig the hole they’re in deeper and deeper. 

I sure hope when Binger and The Farman go before a judicial misconduct board they provide a better defense for themselves than they did prosecuting the Rittenhouse case.

Unfortunately, it is highly unlikely that the prosecutors will get any discipline whatsoever, even if the facts clearly demonstrate that they intentionally monkeyed with the evidence.  At the very most they will likely only get a letter of admonishment, or some other private discipline.

Nifong was the exception to the rule, not a demonstration of the rule.
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse Jury Selected – Trial Begins Tuesday
« Reply #731 on: November 17, 2021, 07:27:04 pm »
The low resolution video given to the defense was created 21 minutes later than the video sent to the crime lab according to the metadata on the files.
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse Jury Selected – Trial Begins Tuesday
« Reply #732 on: November 17, 2021, 07:30:30 pm »
Quote from: txradioguy on November 17, 2021, 07:27:04 pm
The low resolution video given to the defense was created 21 minutes later than the video sent to the crime lab according to the metadata on the files.

Would that have meant that the low-res version was created prior to the time the hi-res version was in the prosecution's hands?  In other words, does it indicate that the low-res version was created by someone other than the prosecution?
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse Jury Selected – Trial Begins Tuesday
« Reply #733 on: November 17, 2021, 07:33:57 pm »
I really wish the judge would just rule on the mistrial motion. The idea of just keeping it in his back pocket in case the jury comes back with something he likes or doesn't like seems problematic.
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse Jury Selected – Trial Begins Tuesday
« Reply #734 on: November 17, 2021, 07:35:45 pm »
Quote from: Polly Ticks on November 17, 2021, 07:33:57 pm
I really wish the judge would just rule on the mistrial motion. The idea of just keeping it in his back pocket in case the jury comes back with something he likes or doesn't like seems problematic.

The judge may be trying to make sure that he's developed the factual record to the point that any ruling on the mistrial motion will be very difficult to overcome on appeal.
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse Jury Selected – Trial Begins Tuesday
« Reply #735 on: November 17, 2021, 07:36:58 pm »
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse Jury Selected – Trial Begins Tuesday
« Reply #736 on: November 17, 2021, 07:37:37 pm »
Quote from: Kamaji on November 17, 2021, 07:35:45 pm
The judge may be trying to make sure that he's developed the factual record to the point that any ruling on the mistrial motion will be very difficult to overcome on appeal.

That would be a good idea, certainly.  Maybe there's more record development going on behind the scenes? Because all I'm seeing in the livestream is a continual shove to the side and not doing anything with it one way or the other. 
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse Jury Selected – Trial Begins Tuesday
« Reply #737 on: November 17, 2021, 07:39:30 pm »
Quote from: Kamaji on November 17, 2021, 07:30:30 pm
Would that have meant that the low-res version was created prior to the time the hi-res version was in the prosecution's hands?  In other words, does it indicate that the low-res version was created by someone other than the prosecution?

 
The video they got came from the state so the state had to have both versions.
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse Jury Selected – Trial Begins Tuesday
« Reply #738 on: November 17, 2021, 07:39:55 pm »
Quote from: Kamaji on November 17, 2021, 07:30:30 pm
Would that have meant that the low-res version was created prior to the time the hi-res version was in the prosecution's hands?  In other words, does it indicate that the low-res version was created by someone other than the prosecution?

No what it means is that out of spite or stupidity or just becasue they thought they could get away with it...they purposely made a low res (smaller file size) copy of the video to give to the defense lawyers and kept the hi res version for themselves.

If all the defense had was a fuzzy pixelated version of the video...it makes it harder to present the jury with a visual picture of the situation KR found himself in.
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse Jury Selected – Trial Begins Tuesday
« Reply #739 on: November 17, 2021, 07:41:28 pm »
Quote from: Kamaji on November 17, 2021, 07:35:45 pm
The judge may be trying to make sure that he's developed the factual record to the point that any ruling on the mistrial motion will be very difficult to overcome on appeal.

I also think since the judge  has been asked to consider a mistrial with predjudice,  ---- a highly unusual move from a defense team ----- he MUST make sure he has everything in order before ruling.
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse Jury Selected – Trial Begins Tuesday
« Reply #740 on: November 17, 2021, 07:43:02 pm »
Quote from: txradioguy on November 17, 2021, 07:39:55 pm
No what it means is that out of spite or stupidity or just becasue they thought they could get away with it...they purposely made a low res (smaller file size) copy of the video to give to the defense lawyers and kept the hi res version for themselves.

If all the defense had was a fuzzy pixelated version of the video...it makes it harder to present the jury with a visual picture of the situation KR found himself in.

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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse Jury Selected – Trial Begins Tuesday
« Reply #741 on: November 17, 2021, 07:43:55 pm »
Quote from: txradioguy on November 17, 2021, 07:39:55 pm
No what it means is that out of spite or stupidity or just becasue they thought they could get away with it...they purposely made a low res (smaller file size) copy of the video to give to the defense lawyers and kept the hi res version for themselves.

If all the defense had was a fuzzy pixelated version of the video...it makes it harder to present the jury with a visual picture of the situation KR found himself in.

They didn’t just give to the defense they gave it directly to the court clerk. The defense did not object because they thought it was the same high resolution that was shown on Tucker Carlson. The state, knowing they had two different resolutions video gave the low resolution to the court for exhibits.
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« Reply #742 on: November 17, 2021, 07:44:43 pm »
Quote from: LilLamb on November 17, 2021, 07:43:55 pm
They didn’t just give to the defense they gave it directly to the court clerk. The defense did not object because they thought it was the same high resolution that was shown on Tucker Carlson. The state, knowing they had two different resolutions video gave the low resolution to the court for exhibits.

Exactly!
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse Jury Selected – Trial Begins Tuesday
« Reply #743 on: November 17, 2021, 07:45:11 pm »
Quote from: LilLamb on November 17, 2021, 07:43:55 pm
They didn’t just give to the defense they gave it directly to the court clerk. The defense did not object because they thought it was the same high resolution that was shown on Tucker Carlson. The state, knowing they had two different resolutions video gave the low resolution to the court for exhibits.

That, to my mind, is clear evidence of an intent to taint the evidence and to commit contempt of court.  It should be grounds for a dismissal with prejudice in this instance.
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse Jury Selected – Trial Begins Tuesday
« Reply #744 on: November 17, 2021, 07:48:31 pm »
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« Reply #746 on: November 17, 2021, 07:50:01 pm »
I think it’s possible that Binger and Krause didn’t know, but someone from the state did this and they know it. By continuing to allow it to remain in exhibits after they know this has happened they are just as guilty as the person that gave it.
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse Jury Selected – Trial Begins Tuesday
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse Jury Selected – Trial Begins Tuesday
« Reply #749 on: November 17, 2021, 07:53:19 pm »
Quote from: LilLamb on November 17, 2021, 07:50:01 pm
I think it’s possible that Binger and Krause didn’t know, but someone from the state did this and they know it. By continuing to allow it to remain in exhibits after they know this has happened they are just as guilty as the person that gave it.

True.  Assuming for the sake of argument that they did not know that a low-res version had been submitted as evidence, once they became aware of that fact they had an obligation to withdraw the submitted version, inform the court and the defense of the facts, and do so in a manner calculated to give the court as much of a chance as possible to mitigate the damage flowing from the admission of the improper evidence, including, for example, curative instructions to the jury.
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