The Briefing Room
General Category => Politics/Government => Topic started by: mystery-ak on January 25, 2019, 05:36:33 pm
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We're So Screwed!
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I used to rely on the Drudge Report, but I fear he's joined his girl pal, Ann Coulter, in a frantic search for relevance.
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Major Garrett
â€Verified account @MajorCBS
Senior administration officials expect @realDonaldTrump to endorse short-term funding bill to reopen government in next hour. Final details being worked out in WH convos now. Unclear if 2 or 3 weeks. Border debate will continue. Stress on Govt systems was increasing.
12:39 PM - 25 Jan 2019 from Odenton, MD
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Do not want.
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Pelosi Rules Drumpf drools.
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Major Garrett
â€Verified account @MajorCBS
Senior administration officials expect @realDonaldTrump to endorse short-term funding bill to reopen government in next hour. Final details being worked out in WH convos now. Unclear if 2 or 3 weeks. Border debate will continue. Stress on Govt systems was increasing.
12:39 PM - 25 Jan 2019 from Odenton, MD
It's over.
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It's over.
Not betting on it. Pelosi has nothing to gain by reopening the government, and everything to gain by keeping it shut and blaming Trump.
Sorry... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWGuzwj4DSs#)
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Not betting on it. Pelosi has nothing to gain by reopening the government, and everything to gain by keeping it shut and blaming Trump.
Sorry... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWGuzwj4DSs#)
We need Peter Griffin....
Sorry... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZahNTpd-0_w#)
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I think the Continuing Resolution expires in February. My daughter was told "Quick, do some work so you can get paid" yesterday. They open the government. pay people and close it again.
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Trump expected to address border-shutdown stalemate
https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/25/politics/donald-trump-shutdown-border/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/25/politics/donald-trump-shutdown-border/index.html)
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The fastest gun in town was usually the least accurate
I never trust first reports about Trump to be accurate. I’m waiting to see the beef first before I swallow it.
I’ve run out of analogies, cliches and metaphors, so I’ll go now. My work here is done.
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We're So Screwed!
Maybe, but this move became inevitable after the two votes yesterday and after the attack on Pence.
I was hoping for another kind of move but Trump must have realized there is a serious lack of courage on the right side of the aisle.
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The fastest gun in town was usually the least accurate
I never trust first reports about Trump to be accurate. I’m waiting to see the beef first before I swallow it.
I’ve run out of analogies, cliches and metaphors, so I’ll go now. My work here is done.
So what are you gonna do when the first report turns out to be accurate?
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Maybe, but this move became inevitable after the two votes yesterday and after the attack on Pence.
I was hoping for another kind of move but Trump must have realized there is a serious lack of courage on the right side of the aisle.
Yep, the "Gang of Six" pretty much did this.
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So what are you gonna do when the first report turns out to be accurate?
Read the report a second time and check it for spelling errors.
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I never trust first reports about Trump to be accurate. I’m waiting to see the beef first before I swallow it.
i don't believe anything Trump says or what people say about him.
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Erick Erickson
â€Verified account @EWErickson
32s33 seconds ago
The Government Shutdown is Ending Temporarily
Both Democrats and Republicans are unable to come to an overall deal, but they also recognize federal workers need to get paid before they just stop showing up.
The President will address the press in the Rose Garden at 1:30 with a plan to reopen the government on a temporary basis to process payroll. No deal has been struck on a border wall. The government will shut back down if both sides cannot come up with a deal.
Even Republicans are saying the White House is, in effect, caving on this due to intraparty congressional pressure. More details are coming…
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Erick Erickson
â€Verified account @EWErickson
32s33 seconds ago
The Government Shutdown is Ending Temporarily
Sharks are smelling blood in the water now.
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Pelosi Rules Drumpf drools.
Look at you @rustynail Writing the liberal talking points while furloughed. How proud you must be.
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Zeke Miller
â€Verified account @ZekeJMiller
28m28 minutes ago
The Rose Garden is being set up in anticipation of a potential Trump statement. Timing unclear.
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Zeke Miller
â€Verified account @ZekeJMiller
28m28 minutes ago
The Rose Garden is being set up in anticipation of a potential Trump statement. Timing unclear.
Trump to speak from the Rose Garden at 1:30
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So the State of the Union speech is back on? Pelosi does what?
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Added to the top of Drudge: "NO WALL FUNDS" in "AGREEMENT"
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Guy Benson
â€Verified account @guypbenson
6m6 minutes ago
Guy Benson Retweeted Chad Pergram
If Pelosi hasn’t put new barrier funding on the table for short-term negotiations, this is a cave.
Chad Pergram
â€Verified account @ChadPergram
Colleague Mike Emanuel rpts possible CR with no border funding through Feb 15 is what they are aiming for. Trump to speak at 1:30 pm et
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John Roberts and other Fox reporters reporting that Trump is caving with no money for border wall.....paging Ann Coulter
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Added to the top of Drudge: "NO WALL FUNDS" in "AGREEMENT"
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So, basically he just threw us under the bus so Pelosi will let him make a speech.
I see he's running late. That's the tell for the bus throwing.
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Well, if true (lol).... as they say.....
there goes the olde ball game.
Say hello to President Harris.
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Jake Sherman
â€Verified account @JakeSherman
7m7 minutes ago
>@KellyO just made this point on @MSNBC , and she’s dead on: Pelosi has now gotten trump to cave on SOTU, and now, he’s gonna reopen government without the wall.
:2popcorn:
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Well, if true (lol).... as they say.....
there goes the olde ball game.
Say hello to President Harris.
That would be President Pelosi...if true...
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Well, if true (lol).... as they say.....
there goes the olde ball game.
Say hello to President Harris.
Poland here I come.
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That would be President Pelosi...if true...
Nah. Pelosi is too rich/elitist to want to have to work that hard (being President).
It'll be President Harris. She's young, she's (Biden ref) clean and articulate...lol... she's a "victim class/woman"....and she's rabidly leftist enough for the rats.
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Poland here I come.
Maybe ..... Mars? Oh wait... the rats will shut down the space program again.
Nevermind.
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Nah. Pelosi is too rich/elitist to want to have to work that hard (being President).
It'll be President Harris. She's young, she's (Biden ref) clean and articulate...lol... she's a "victim class/woman"....and she's rabidly leftist enough for the rats.
I think what @mystery-ak is saying is that with this cave impeachment is a fait accompli.
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So, basically he just threw us under the bus so Pelosi will let him make a speech.
I see he's running late. That's the tell for the bus throwing.
I wouldn't be so quick to condemn Trump for this move. It kinda became inevitable. I see it as a 'live to fight another day' thing.
Trump has not abandoned the wall and we will get it, but the government shutdown had begun to erode his popularity.
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@catfish1957
@Bigun
@corbe
@dfwgator
@Sanguine
@XenaLee
@thackney
@Elderberry
(and any other Texas Briefers I may have left off the list).
Can't we just secede already and be done with this nonsense?
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I wouldn't be so quick to condemn Trump for this move. It kinda became inevitable. I see it as a 'live to fight another day' thing.
Trump has not abandoned the wall and we will get it, but the government shutdown had begun to erode his popularity.
Only because the Press painted the picture. Have they even ONCE mentioned Pelosi's excessive travelling on our dime?
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I think what @mystery-ak is saying is that with this cave impeachment is a fait accompli.
I don't believe that.... yet. I'm holding out till the very...bitter...end. lolol
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@catfish1957
@Bigun
@corbe
@dfwgator
@Sanguine
@XenaLee
@thackney
@Elderberry
(and any other Texas Briefers I may have left off the list).
Can't we just secede already and be done with this nonsense?
Works for me. I'm down with us being our own country again.
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@catfish1957
@Bigun
@corbe
@dfwgator
@Sanguine
@XenaLee
@thackney
@Elderberry
(and any other Texas Briefers I may have left off the list).
Can't we just secede already and be done with this nonsense?
I'm good with that.
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Here we go....
... government to reopen, budget deal with no wall....
All that winning...../snark
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Now he's a half-hour late. Enjoy your SOTU speech, Mr. President. You earned it.
It's a pity you had to throw your base under the bus to get it, but this is why your base doesn't trust you.
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Is it time for the 'doom despair excessive misery' song?
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Works for me. I'm down with us being our own country again.
Sorry about that, how could I forget you in the list?
My apologies.
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I see this as a good thing. The shutdown was a disaster.
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@catfish1957
@Bigun
@corbe
@dfwgator
@Sanguine
@XenaLee
@thackney
@Elderberry
(and any other Texas Briefers I may have left off the list).
Can't we just secede already and be done with this nonsense?
No, I don't think so. It's a real nice dream, though. One that I, myself, have had in the past. But the reality is.... we here in Texas are already waaay too divided politically, thanks to the influx of leftist Democrats from other states and from illegals that eventually vote (illegally and otherwise) Democrat. I just don't think succession is a viable alternative any more. 8888crybaby
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Jake Sherman
â€Verified account @JakeSherman
7m7 minutes ago
>@KellyO just made this point on @MSNBC , and she’s dead on: Pelosi has now gotten trump to cave on SOTU, and now, he’s gonna reopen government without the wall.
:2popcorn:
What chapter in The Art of the Deal was this in again.....
I remember so many saying Trump was the oy one with the skills to negotiate for these things... But so far not only did he get nothing, this is a step backwards.
Even Bush was able to get the Secure Fence Act.
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Works for me. I'm down with us being our own country again.
What are we waiting for?
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Sorry about that, how could I forget you in the list?
My apologies.
No worries :beer: The Army has bounced me around so much its hard to remember where my home of record is LOL!
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I wouldn't be so quick to condemn Trump for this move. It kinda became inevitable. I see it as a 'live to fight another day' thing.
Trump has not abandoned the wall and we will get it, but the government shutdown had begun to erode his popularity.
We'll know in a while. That he's late for this big reveal is not a good sign. His speechwriters are having trouble with the spin part of the speech that is sure to happen.
We're reading his lips.
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I wouldn't be so quick to condemn Trump for this move. It kinda became inevitable. I see it as a 'live to fight another day' thing.
Trump has not abandoned the wall and we will get it, but the government shutdown had begun to erode his popularity.
You are such a pawn...@Emjay .
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I see this as a good thing. The shutdown was a disaster.
What shutdown? 99.9% of the country didn't even feel any impact from it, other than what the Ministry of Propaganda told them.
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Here we go....
... government to reopen, budget deal with no wall....
All that winning...../snark
Pop the champagne already, have you @ABX ??
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No, I don't think so. It's a real nice dream, though. One that I, myself, have had in the past. But the reality is.... we here in Texas are already waaay too divided politically, thanks to the influx of leftist Democrats from other states and from illegals that eventually vote (illegally and otherwise) Democrat. I just don't think succession is a viable alternative any more. 8888crybaby
@XenaLee
After today, this movement may gain some traction again.
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What chapter in The Art of the Deal was this in again.....
I remember so many saying Trump was the oy one with the skills to negotiate for these things... But so far not only did he get nothing, this is a step backwards.
Even Bush was able to get the Secure Fence Act.
@ABX
Wasn't Mexico supposed to be paying for the wall in the first place?
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Live feed...nothing yet...
https://wtop.com/government/2019/01/watch-live-pres-trump-makes-remarks-on-government-shutdown/
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We'll know in a while. That he's late for this big reveal is not a good sign. His speechwriters are having trouble with the spin part of the speech that is sure to happen.
We're reading his lips.
This is the part where they piss on us, and tell us it's raining.
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Now he's a half-hour late. Enjoy your SOTU speech, Mr. President. You earned it.
It's a pity you had to throw your base under the bus to get it, but this is why your base doesn't trust you.
His base trusts him completely...it's the rest of us that don't trust him.
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Let's not forget to send a thank you note to the six Republican senators who sealed this deal.
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I’m waiting for the TBR naybobs to finish bobbing up. I wonder if they know Trump hasn’t come out with an address yet?
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Debra J. Saunders
â€Verified account @debrajsaunders
2m2 minutes ago
POTUS TelePrompTer
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@XenaLee
After today, this movement may gain some traction again.
Hope springs, GrouchoTex..... and anything's possible.
To quote Will Smith...."I ain't seen no fat lady sing yet!"
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What shutdown? 99.9% of the country didn't even feel any impact from it, other than what the Ministry of Propaganda told them.
Tell that to the workers who missed their paychecks.
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His base trusts him completely...it's the rest of us that don't trust him.
The rest of you want the President to fail. At least be man enough to admit it.
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Live feed...nothing yet...
https://wtop.com/government/2019/01/watch-live-pres-trump-makes-remarks-on-government-shutdown/
Nope, nothing. this was supposed to be at 1PM, and it's 2PM now. We're being played.
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I’m waiting for the TBR naybobs to finish bobbing up. I wonder if they know Trump hasn’t come out with an address yet?
He's 30 minutes late...that's WJC level tardiness for a media engagement.
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@catfish1957
@Bigun
@corbe
@dfwgator
@Sanguine
@XenaLee
@thackney
@Elderberry
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(and any other Texas Briefers I may have left off the list).
Can't we just secede already and be done with this nonsense?
I am all for the Republic of Texas
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Let's not forget to send a thank you note to the six Republican senators who sealed this deal.
I thought he was going to have Mexico to pay for the wall?
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Tell that to the workers who missed their paychecks.
Comes with the territory if you sign up for a government job. Save for a rainy day, like the rest of us.
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Pop the champagne already, have you @ABX ??
Nope, I'm a casual observer studying human nature. The only thing I think good will come out of this is that people will stop putting so much faith in politicians and the government. They are not your saviors not are they here to help. The more you believe they are, the more you will be disappointed.
Maybe Conservatives will get back to wanting limited government with as little centralized power as possible.
We may be able to get a wall or some sort of improved security if we stop playing the cult of personality and start treating this like an engineering project.
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I’m waiting for the TBR naybobs to finish bobbing up. I wonder if they know Trump hasn’t come out with an address yet?
And why hasn't Mr. Punctual come out yet?
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@catfish1957
@Bigun
@corbe
@dfwgator
@Sanguine
@XenaLee
@thackney
@Elderberry
(and any other Texas Briefers I may have left off the list).
Can't we just secede already and be done with this nonsense?
I'm all for that. And we can build that wall our own dang selves. Its just that the wall will have to be much longer.
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Maybe Conservatives will get back to wanting limited government with as little centralized power as possible.
That ship sailed a long time ago and it isn't coming back.
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I’m waiting for the TBR naybobs to finish bobbing up. I wonder if they know Trump hasn’t come out with an address yet?
The WH released the agreement bullet points to the press 30 minutes ago. Drudge has them up. A speech isn't necessary.
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I wouldn't be so quick to condemn Trump for this move. It kinda became inevitable. I see it as a 'live to fight another day' thing.
Trump has not abandoned the wall and we will get it, but the government shutdown had begun to erode his popularity.
That's how I see it. The Dems had the brass balls not to fold, since the mainstream media has their back and paints Trump as the villain for shutting down the government.
It's time to declare the National Emergency and put available military funds to work.
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Nope, I'm a casual observer studying human nature. The only thing I think good will come out of this is that people will stop putting so much faith in politicians and the government. They are not your saviors not are they here to help. The more you believe they are, the more you will be disappointed.
Maybe Conservatives will get back to wanting limited government with as little centralized power as possible.
We may be able to get a wall or some sort of improved security if we stop playing the culture of personality and start treating this like an engineering project.
Open/nonexistent borders are a matter of faith among the Rats, right up there with Abortion. This will be a cave of epic proportions. :2popcorn:
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Let's not forget to send a thank you note to the six Republican senators who sealed this deal.
Nice attempt to dodge responsibility, @Right_in_Virginia . This one's all on Trump. He's now Charlie Brown to Lucy Pelosi.
He got pwned on this one, as badly as the Zags destroyed Santa Clara last night...in Santa Clara.
No need to look, final score was 98-39.
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Comes with the territory if you sign up for a government job. Save for a rainy day, like the rest of us.
Sometimes people can't afford to save. Sometimes there are circumstances that people have to live paycheck by paycheck. Have you considered that? A shutdown should not be normal. Have a hissy fit is something that our founding fathers didn't think of when they setup this Government. They expected the people to act like ADULTS!
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This is the part where they piss on us, and tell us it's raining.
Oh stop with the pearl clutching. This is the real world.
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Tell that to the workers who missed their paychecks.
You should be glad I'm not in charge! If I was, about 2/3rds of them would be missing their paychecks permanently!
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That's how I see it. The Dems had the brass balls not to fold, since the mainstream media has their back and paints Trump as the villain for shutting down the government.
It's time to declare the National Emergency and put available military funds to work.
The Ninth Circus will never allow it, and the SCOTUS will continue to back them against Trump. I envision a Judge in Hawaii waiting by the phone right now.
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Only because the Press painted the picture. Have they even ONCE mentioned Pelosi's excessive travelling on our dime?
Well, we've known for a long time that the mainstream media is an enemy to democracy as we know it. And, while the shutdown has had little effect on most people, the media has successfully painted a picture of starving government workers.
I think Trump realized that and decided to open the government. The wall is popular with the majority of people and border security is popular, and stopping the drain on our country involved with caring for people who have no right to be here is also popular.
But, he had to deal with the negative vibe of the closed government before it became the overriding issue.
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You should be glad I'm not in charge! If I was, about 2/3rds of them would be missing their paychecks permanently!
Once we passed day 30, that was a real possibility and opportunity, but no one took it.
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Oh stop with the pearl clutching. This is the real world.
@Right_in_Virginia here is the only one here popping Champagne corks.
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@catfish1957
@Bigun
@corbe
@dfwgator
@Sanguine
@XenaLee
@thackney
@Elderberry
(and any other Texas Briefers I may have left off the list).
Can't we just secede already and be done with this nonsense?
Hey. Don't forget to invite your friends... Jussayin.
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The Ninth Circus will never allow it, and the SCOTUS will continue to back them against Trump. I envision a Judge in Hawaii waiting by the phone right now.
SCOTUS will NOT continue to back the ninth court. They're already making a dramatic ruling against gun control.
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Nice attempt to dodge responsibility, @Right_in_Virginia . This one's all on Trump.
Bullshit.
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The Ninth Circus will never allow it, and the SCOTUS will continue to back them against Trump. I envision a Judge in Hawaii waiting by the phone right now.
I disagree. The NEA represents a delegation of authority from the Congress to the President. Trump's merely exercising the power Congress gave him.
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@Right_in_Virginia here is the only one here popping Champagne corks.
So you've finally given up any pretense of making sense. Good for you @txradioguy Good for you.
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I think what @mystery-ak is saying is that with this cave impeachment is a fait accompli.
I certainly hope that is not what @mystery-ak is saying. That would make us as weak and ineffectual as the cowards in our own party.
There are NO grounds to impeach Trump. None.
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Let's not forget to send a thank you note to the six Republican senators who sealed this deal.
Blessings sent.
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That's how I see it. The Dems had the brass balls not to fold, since the mainstream media has their back and paints Trump as the villain for shutting down the government.
It's time to declare the National Emergency and put available military funds to work.
He'd damn well better have been spending this shutdown time making an ironclad plan to do just that. Or his political career is finished. Just a fact.
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Lisa Desjardins
â€Verified account @LisaDNews
22m22 minutes ago
BREAKING - THE DEAL: Dem source says leaders are zeroing in on...
- clean CR to Feb 15
- *No wall $*
- vehicle for DHS, border security conf bill
- Senate votes first
- backpay provision
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@catfish1957
@Bigun
@corbe
@dfwgator
@Sanguine
@XenaLee
@thackney
@Elderberry
(and any other Texas Briefers I may have left off the list).
Can't we just secede already and be done with this nonsense?
@GrouchoTex I want to be counted as a Texas Briefer. I live in Hawaii, but once a Texan, always a Texan.
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Hey. Don't forget to invite your friends... Jussayin.
No, I wouldn't want to do that, c'mon in!
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SCOTUS will NOT continue to back the ninth court. They're already making a dramatic ruling against gun control.
They agreed to hear a case, I guess that's progress. I don't bet on SCOTUS outcomes anymore because Roberts can't be trusted to not pull a decision out of his fanny like he did with Obastardcare. I would bet on one involving the wall...they will kill it no matter what Circuit produces a ruling.
He wanted us to read his lips, "I'll build the wall." I have experience with reading Presidential lips.
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Juliet Huddy
†@JulietHuddyTV
25s25 seconds ago
Deal. Shutdown ending.
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Blessings sent.
I would expect nothing else from you.
I am loving how you work so hard against your own interests.
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@GrouchoTex I want to be counted as a Texas Briefer. I live in Hawaii, but once a Texan, always a Texan.
Right, I knew that, but I wasn't sure if you (or anyone) would leave Hawaii.
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I see this as a good thing. The shutdown was a disaster.
@kevindavis You have become one of my new 'voice of reason' posters.
This is a good thing. Everyone was totally focused on the shutdown and it was hurting Trump and his efforts to get the wall.
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I certainly hope that is not what @mystery-ak is saying. That would make us as weak and ineffectual as the cowards in our own party.
There are NO grounds to impeach Trump. None.
If there is the will, the grounds will be found. Andrew Johnson was impeached over, among other things, 'disrespecting congress'. As you remember, Bill Clinton was impeached for process crimes that had nothing to do with the original investigation.
The problem when you get someone with no moral foundation to do what is right, they make these things easier. Character really does matter. Now we are seeing the fruits of poor character. It may have given people an emotional high for a while, some random ra points, but it doesn't produce good fruit in the long run.
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Lis Power
†@LisPower1
Fox News: "Nancy Pelosi here seems to be the victor because she held the line once she became Speaker, and it doesn't look like the president is going to get that border wall."
President Pelosi...Trump let Nancy out smart him... :pop41:
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@XenaLee
After today, this movement may gain some traction again.
I hope not. Texas joined the Union a long time ago. The only problem with Texas is that we should have built a wall on all borders.
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Lis Power
†@LisPower1
Fox News: "Nancy Pelosi here seems to be the victor because she held the line once she became Speaker, and it doesn't look like the president is going to get that border wall."
President Pelosi...Trump let Nancy out smart him... :pop41:
She Persisted.
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I think what @mystery-ak is saying is that with this cave impeachment is a fait accompli.
Not saying any such thing.......saying Nancy outsmarted and out negotiated the great deal maker
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Not saying any such thing.......saying Nancy outsmarted and out negotiated the great deal maker
Oh ok...I based that on your "President Pelosi" comment.
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I hope not. Texas joined the Union a long time ago. The only problem with Texas is that we should have built a wall on all borders.
The problem with the Texas Nationalist movements, is they are headed by a bunch of kooks who want to sell phony land grants or fake currency or just get people to their MLM meetings.
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Tell that to the workers who missed their paychecks.
Yep, but the main thing was a massive propaganda effort by the media which made a lot of people think the sky was falling, people were starving, etc.
Government workers have an average salary about 1/3 better than the average worker and their benefits are out of this world. If they haven't been able to save enough to get through a short shutdown, they are poor planners.
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@kevindavis You have become one of my new 'voice of reason' posters.
This is a good thing. Everyone was totally focused on the shutdown and it was hurting Trump and his efforts to get the wall.
@Emjay
Thank you. I'm for border security as the next guy, but what Trump should have done is sit down with leaders from the House and the Senate work out a deal.
But no, he had to listen to Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh and Fox News. That was a big mistake and it hurt Trump.
Hopefully this is the last Government shutdown period. They never work.
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That's how I see it. The Dems had the brass balls not to fold, since the mainstream media has their back and paints Trump as the villain for shutting down the government.
It's time to declare the National Emergency and put available military funds to work.
Thank you @Jazzhead We could float DC with all the hot air being spewed on this forum
It's lucky Trump doesn't have to rely on the fair weather friends on this forum. I suspect there is more common sense among the regular population.
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blah blah blah...Trumps border speech.....
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Not saying any such thing.......saying Nancy outsmarted and out negotiated the great deal maker
Why do you sound so pleased?
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Over the next 21 days I expect all parties to operate in good faith.
:rolling: :rolling: :rolling: :rolling: :rolling: :rolling: :rolling: :rolling: :rolling: :rolling:
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blah blah blah...Trumps border speech.....
Is this a twitter quote or yours?
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@Emjay
Thank you. I'm for border security as the next guy, but what Trump should have done is sit down with leaders from the House and the Senate work out a deal.
But no, he had to listen to Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh and Fox News. That was a big mistake and it hurt Trump.
Hopefully this is the last Government shutdown period. They never work.
That's bullshit. If he had listened to Rush Limbaugh, he would never have caved to Pelosi.
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The problem with the Texas Nationalist movements, is they are headed by a bunch of kooks who want to sell phony land grants or fake currency or just get people to their MLM meetings.
There was that guy.....
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Thank you @Jazzhead We could float DC with all the hot air being spewed on this forum
It's lucky Trump doesn't have to rely on the fair weather friends on this forum. I suspect there is more common sense among the regular population.
Trump really has no choice, now.
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You should be glad I'm not in charge! If I was, about 2/3rds of them would be missing their paychecks permanently!
@Bigun That is, in fact, one of the things Trump is working on. If he's allowed to continue, we will see a gradual but substantial decrease in useless and redundant government agencies and workers.
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Why do you sound so pleased?
She's not pleased. She's pissed. You can't tell the difference by now? Really???
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Is this a twitter quote or yours?
It's mine...heard this same speech now for two years....nothing is done about it..
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That's bullshit. If he had listened to Rush Limbaugh, he would never have caved to Pelosi.
He should never listen to Limbaugh period.
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She's not pleased. She's pissed. You can't tell the difference by now? Really???
yep
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He should never listen to Limbaugh period.
I disagree. Rush thinks like I do and I'm always right.
:laugh:
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Why do you sound so pleased?
I'll give you a little time to tell us what part of Art Of The Deal or Sun Tzu this is.
*****rollingeyes***** *****rollingeyes***** *****rollingeyes*****
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This "speech" is utter bullshit. Here comes the bus.
under the bus888
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If there is the will, the grounds will be found. Andrew Johnson was impeached over, among other things, 'disrespecting congress'. As you remember, Bill Clinton was impeached for process crimes that had nothing to do with the original investigation.
The problem when you get someone with no moral foundation to do what is right, they make these things easier. Character really does matter. Now we are seeing the fruits of poor character. It may have given people an emotional high for a while, some random ra points, but it doesn't produce good fruit in the long run.
goopo
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This "speech" is utter bullshit. Here comes the bus.
under the bus888
Yeah, except that goofy little guy is us.
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I would expect nothing else from you.
I am loving how you work so hard against your own interests.
@Right_in_Virginia It is amazing to me how many people here seem to work against their own interests.
It is in our interest for Trump to be President. He will get a wall eventually and he is doing so many other things that are good for our country.
If Trump is somehow destroyed, opening the door for a democrat rule, we will face an unimaginable void and a loss of our country.
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I disagree. Rush thinks like I do and I'm always right.
:laugh:
:silly:...waiting for Ann Coulter's reaction to be posted on TBR...Rush and Hannity has been pushing the shutdown now they will do an about face and agree with him....
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@Right_in_Virginia It is amazing to me how many people here seem to work against their own interests.
It is in our interest for Trump to be President. He will get a wall eventually and he is doing so many other things that are good for our country.
If Trump is somehow destroyed, opening the door for a democrat rule, we will face an unimaginable void and a loss of our country.
@Emjay, it is not in our interest if he just goes along to get along. Not at all.
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Yeah, except that goofy little guy is us.
Yup. Now he's telling us how good immigration is for the country.
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I'm all for that. And we can build that wall our own dang selves. Its just that the wall will have to be much longer.
Draw bridges on the Red River, LOL.
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This "speech" is utter bullshit. Here comes the bus.
under the bus888
He sounds.... not quite 'him' today. Having to make this speech is apparently causing him a pain.... somewhere.
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finally over with no questions...
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He sounds.... not quite 'him' today. Having to make this speech is apparently causing him a pain.... somewhere.
He knows he's waving bye-bye to his reelection.
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Impeach him. Pathetic loser.
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:silly:...waiting for Ann Coulter's reaction to be posted on TBR...Rush and Hannity has been pushing the shutdown now they will do an about face and agree with him....
I.... don't think so (re: the Rush part). But when he comes back on air we'll find out quick! :laugh:
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Give
peace Pence a chance.
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He knows he's waving bye-bye to his reelection.
I wonder if he has decided not to run for re-election.
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:silly: ...waiting for Ann Coulter's reaction to be posted on TBR...Rush and Hannity has been pushing the shutdown now they will do an about face and agree with him....
I would say 99% of talk radio wanted the shutdown.
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Workers who won't get back pay are among the lowest-paid: -Security guards -Janitors -Food service folks...they are hourly paid.....worked no hours
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He knows he's waving bye-bye to his reelection.
He's probably FTFU and tired of the job already. And who wouldn't be... considering.
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He knows he's waving bye-bye to his reelection.
This is like W, after he lost his battle to privatize Social Security, I think after that point he was never the same, that was his baby.
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@Emjay, it is not in our interest if he just goes along to get along. Not at all.
He should've never chosen a shutdown if surrendering to that lunatic Pelosi were even a remote possibility.
Having said that, I'll continue to hope something good comes from all this. There is nothing else to do.
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I would say 99% of talk radio wanted the shutdown.
No... I wouldn't say Rush wanted the shutdown. I would say he wanted the damned wall... and didn't want Trump to cave to the rats. Big/huge difference there. *****rollingeyes*****
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Reverend Al Sharpton
â€Verified account @TheRevAl
32s32 seconds ago
Trump blinked, he could have done this 35 days ago. Needless suffering for 800k federal employees. Crazy!!
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Michael Medved
â€Verified account @MedvedSHOW
13m13 minutes ago
So, the substance of the deal: #Trump agrees to re-open the govt (what Dems have demanded all along) & to turn over the job of enhancing border security to a bi-partisan commission. Why couldn't #Trump have offered such a sensible solution in, say, the 1st week of his presidency?
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@Right_in_Virginia It is amazing to me how many people here seem to work against their own interests.
It is in our interest for Trump to be President. He will get a wall eventually and he is doing so many other things that are good for our country.
If Trump is somehow destroyed, opening the door for a democrat rule, we will face an unimaginable void and a loss of our country.
@Emjay The Trump Presidency is not in my interest. Sooner or later he will be replaced with a human. It's looking like that could be sooner now.
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I wonder if he has decided not to run for re-election.
I wonder too. He has to know blowing the wall will be fatal.
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Michael Medved
â€Verified account @MedvedSHOW
13m13 minutes ago
So, the substance of the deal: #Trump agrees to re-open the govt (what Dems have demanded all along) & to turn over the job of enhancing border security to a bi-partisan commission. Why couldn't #Trump have offered such a sensible solution in, say, the 1st week of his presidency?
That was a legit question.
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Michael Medved
â€Verified account @MedvedSHOW
13m13 minutes ago
So, the substance of the deal: #Trump agrees to re-open the govt (what Dems have demanded all along) & to turn over the job of enhancing border security to a bi-partisan commission. Why couldn't #Trump have offered such a sensible solution in, say, the 1st week of his presidency?
It takes an idiot like Medved to think a "bi-partisan commission" would produce a functioning wall.
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Heard it all before Ad nausium! Tired of talk! Need REAL action now!
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The issue ultimately in this standoff is getting a border wall agreement – not furloughed government bureaucrats.
When the wall is finally built and powered up and stopping border jumpers, no one’s gonna remember, nor will they care that Nancy “outsmarted†Trump and that workers got to return to their cubicles and video games.
In time, history will remember the Great Wall of Trump – not his “cave†on the issue of the overpaid, non essential government workers going back to sucking on the government teat.
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Michael Medved
â€Verified account @MedvedSHOW
13m13 minutes ago
So, the substance of the deal: #Trump agrees to re-open the govt (what Dems have demanded all along) & to turn over the job of enhancing border security to a bi-partisan commission. Why couldn't #Trump have offered such a sensible solution in, say, the 1st week of his presidency?
Because a "bipartisan commission" will not result in a wall being built? But Michael Medved knows that.
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Chad Pergram
â€Verified account @ChadPergram
3m3 minutes ago
Dem source: Senator McConnell began the Thursday meeting in his office with Sen. Schumer with an offer to Schumer for a short term CR with a down payment on the wall.
· Schumer said he and Democrats would not support wall funding.
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That was a legit question.
Can a question be "legit" and "stupid" at the same time? Rats would never permit a wall, open borders is a religious item to them.
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Chad Pergram
â€Verified account @ChadPergram
3m3 minutes ago
Dem source: Senator McConnell began the Thursday meeting in his office with Sen. Schumer with an offer to Schumer for a short term CR with a down payment on the wall.
· Schumer said he and Democrats would not support wall funding.
They don't have to support wall funding, so why would they?
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Bye-bye wall; hello cave.
Fumb duck of a “president†we have.
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The issue ultimately in this standoff is getting a border wall agreement – not furloughed government bureaucrats.
When the wall is finally built and powered up and stopping border jumpers, no one’s gonna remember, nor will they care that Nancy “outsmarted†Trump and that workers got to return to their cubicles and video games.
In time, history will remember the Great Wall of Trump – not his “cave†on the issue of the overpaid, non essential government workers going back to sucking on the government teat.
@aligncare
I'd like to share your optimism, but this ain't my first rodeo.
@Bigun
I'm frustrated as well.
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The issue ultimately in this standoff is getting a border wall agreement – not furloughed government bureaucrats.
When the wall is finally built and powered up and stopping border jumpers, no one’s gonna remember, nor will they care that Nancy “outsmarted†Trump and that workers got to return to their cubicles and video games.
In time, history will remember the Great Wall of Trump – not his “cave†on the issue of the overpaid, non essential government workers going back to sucking on the government teat.
I want this outcome.
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Reverend Al Sharpton
â€Verified account @TheRevAl
32s32 seconds ago
Trump blinked, he could have done this 35 days ago. Needless suffering for 800k federal employees. Crazy!!
Trump didn't gain a single vote from this, but he potentially lost millions.
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I want this outcome.
Would you vote for Trump for President if we're still getting nothing but promises to fix the border?
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@Emjay The Trump Presidency is not in my interest. Sooner or later he will be replaced with a human. It's looking like that could be sooner now.
So you don't think Pence will take the office either?
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Bye-bye wall; hello cave.
Fumb duck of a “president†we have.
bleep dumb Congressional traitors as well. This was a team loss.
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@Right_in_Virginia It is amazing to me how many people here seem to work against their own interests.
It is in our interest for Trump to be President. He will get a wall eventually and he is doing so many other things that are good for our country.
If Trump is somehow destroyed, opening the door for a democrat rule, we will face an unimaginable void and a loss of our country.
If Trump really wanted the wall, he could have gotten it.
He could have declared a national emergency (hell, Obama declared one over the flu).
He could have used existing mandates under the Corps of Engineers.
He could have piggy backed on the Secure Fence Act.
He could have easily found the funds, not just for the initial $5 billion/100 mile stretch, but likely the full thing, in the discretionary budgets under his departments (the DOD or Homeland Security discretionary budget could have covered this several times over.)
He could have supported Cruz's bill to divert $25 billion from the DEA, seized from El Chapo, to it. (At that, as this was under Homeland Security, an executive branch, a bill may not have been necessary.
He could have accomplished this many ways- and he knew this because he threatened to do several of these (but never did).
I submit to you, he didn't actually want a wall or the responsibility around it. He wanted the issue. He wanted something to fire up his base over. He wanted chants. He wanted to keep them feeling like victims that he was there to help.
After this, he will still stay in permanent campaign mode, get the chants, tell people he is working for them, and still be at square one.
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Would you vote for Trump for President if we're still getting nothing but promises to fix the border?
I still vote Trump because there simply is no alternative.
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Trump didn't gain a single vote from this, but he potentially lost millions.
That is correct. This is his "Read my lips!" moment, and I'm reading them loud and clear.
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I still vote Trump because there simply is no alternative.
Ditto
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:silly:...waiting for Ann Coulter's reaction to be posted on TBR...Rush and Hannity has been pushing the shutdown now they will do an about face and agree with him....
The contortions on this one to explain why it was a brilliant move will be interesting to see.
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I still vote Trump because there simply is no alternative.
I won't vote for President, but I still have down-ticket candidates I can support. For now.
I'm in AZ. The border is one of the top three issues for us down here and this double-cross will be long remembered.
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Guy Benson
â€Verified account @guypbenson
2m2 minutes ago
Overall, predictable denouement & why GOP leaders counseled against this strategy. OTOH, many Dems reiterated support for new barriers over past month & Trump demonstrated appetite for historic-length shutdowns. He won’t get a big win, but if he gets something, he should take it.
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The issue ultimately in this standoff is getting a border wall agreement – not furloughed government bureaucrats.
When the wall is finally built and powered up and stopping border jumpers, no one’s gonna remember, nor will they care that Nancy “outsmarted†Trump and that workers got to return to their cubicles and video games.
In time, history will remember the Great Wall of Trump – not his “cave†on the issue of the overpaid, non essential government workers going back to sucking on the government teat.
Seems there's only one way forward for that to happen now and it's iffy given the lawsuits that will be filed to stop it. There's no way anything is getting built in the next 2 years, and if it doesn't get built in 2 years it's likely there won't be an additional 4 years in which to try.
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This is a ruse, the well trained eye sees this guy is hiding a shank in his left hand.
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Trump caves on the shutdown, threatens to go around Congress to get his wall
by Susan Ferrechio
| January 25, 2019 02:01 PM
President Trump on Friday agreed to temporarily end the government shutdown without any guarantee of more money for his border wall after the five-week funding lapse had started to significantly hobble government operations.
"We have reached a deal to end the shutdown and reopen the federal government," Trump said at the White House.
Trump said he could agree to reopen the shuttered parts of government through Feb. 15, a move that will let hundreds of thousands of federal workers finally get paid.
But Trump also hinted that if Congress can't pass legislation funding his border wall by the middle of next month, he would be forced to declare a national emergency at the border. That move would let Trump spend emergency funds to build parts of his wall, although it's also expected to draw a legal challenge.
"We really have no choice but to build a powerful wall or steel barrier," Trump said toward the end of his speech. "If we don't get a fair deal from Congress, the government will either shut down on Feb. 15, again, or I will use the powers afforded to me under the laws and the Constitution of the United States to address this emergency. We will have great security."
Trump hinted at that option earlier in his speech as well.
"I have a very powerful alternative, but I did not want to use it at this time," Trump said. "Hopefully, it will be unnecessary."
Trump's announcement is expected to mobilize the House and Senate into quickly passing legislation to reopen the government through Feb. 15. Republicans and Democrats are also expected to hold a conference committee on a Department of Homeland Security spending bill, where lawmakers have agreed to find ways to boost border security.
That process isn't guaranteed to reach a decision to fund new sections of border wall, but Trump said he hoped lawmakers would see the need for new border wall. He also rejected Democratic complaints that a wall would be "medieval" and said the barrier he wants can be made of steel, not concrete.
"No border security plan can ever work without a physical barrier. Just doesn’t happen," Trump said.
"Over the next 21 days, I expect that both Democrats and Republicans will operate in good faith," he added. "This is an opportunity for all parties to work together for the benefit of our whole beautiful, wonderful nation."
The president's remarks came as Republicans were increasingly being blamed for the shutdown and the growing number of effects it was having on federal workers and the public.
Hours earlier, major airports began experiencing delays due to a high number of sick-out calls by air traffic controllers. Those controllers are among the 800,000 federal workers who are about to miss a second paycheck because of the shutdown.
Throughout the week, officials complained about the need for Coast Guardsmen to use food pantries to get by, that key FBI investigations were stalling, and tax refunds would be delayed.
The shutdown centered on funding for a southern border wall. Trump has demanded up to $5.7 billion in federal funds for a wall, but Democrats have not agreed to any money so far. And that fight prevented Congress from passing any bill to fund nine federal departments and dozens of independent agencies.
Trump this week was facing increasing pressure from Senate Republicans, who have become desperate to end the standoff. Republican lawmakers urged Vice President Mike Pence in a private meeting Thursday to find a way to end the spending impasse.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/congress/trump-expected-to-call-for-temporary-deal-to-end-the-shutdown (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/congress/trump-expected-to-call-for-temporary-deal-to-end-the-shutdown)
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Seems there's only one way forward for that to happen now and it's iffy given the lawsuits that will be filed to stop it. There's no way anything is getting built in the next 2 years, and if it doesn't get built in 2 years it's likely there won't be an additional 4 years in which to try.
You nailed it! No progress on the wall in the next year or so, and there won't be another four years for Trump. If he insists on running in 2020, we'll have a Rat President inaugurated in 2021.
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So you don't think Pence will take the office either?
I think he should. Immediately. 25th Amendment.
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Stormy Daniels only got screwed once by Trump. I guess if you want the guy to screw you repeatedly, you have to be one of his voters.
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I bet Pelosi is in the Speaker's Office opening bottles of champagne....who would have thought the great deal maker to be outsmarted by Pelosi....
No we have to go through this again in 3 weeks...do you really think Nancy will fold then...lmao
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Can't we just secede already and be done with this nonsense?
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bleep dumb Congressional traitors as well. This was a team loss.
We have a professional legislators, professional bureaucrats, professional lobbyists, and professional political activists. What we as citizens no longer have are representatives.
andy58-in-nh Today, http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,349032.msg1899181.html#msg1899181 (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,349032.msg1899181.html#msg1899181)
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Trump caves on the shutdown, threatens to go around Congress to get his wall
by Susan Ferrechio
| January 25, 2019 02:01 PM
President Trump on Friday agreed to temporarily end the government shutdown without any guarantee of more money for his border wall after the five-week funding lapse had started to significantly hobble government operations.
"We have reached a deal to end the shutdown and reopen the federal government," Trump said at the White House.
Trump said he could agree to reopen the shuttered parts of government through Feb. 15, a move that will let hundreds of thousands of federal workers finally get paid.
But Trump also hinted that if Congress can't pass legislation funding his border wall by the middle of next month, he would be forced to declare a national emergency at the border. That move would let Trump spend emergency funds to build parts of his wall, although it's also expected to draw a legal challenge.
"We really have no choice but to build a powerful wall or steel barrier," Trump said toward the end of his speech. "If we don't get a fair deal from Congress, the government will either shut down on Feb. 15, again, or I will use the powers afforded to me under the laws and the Constitution of the United States to address this emergency. We will have great security."
Trump hinted at that option earlier in his speech as well.
"I have a very powerful alternative, but I did not want to use it at this time," Trump said. "Hopefully, it will be unnecessary."
Trump's announcement is expected to mobilize the House and Senate into quickly passing legislation to reopen the government through Feb. 15. Republicans and Democrats are also expected to hold a conference committee on a Department of Homeland Security spending bill, where lawmakers have agreed to find ways to boost border security.
That process isn't guaranteed to reach a decision to fund new sections of border wall, but Trump said he hoped lawmakers would see the need for new border wall. He also rejected Democratic complaints that a wall would be "medieval" and said the barrier he wants can be made of steel, not concrete.
"No border security plan can ever work without a physical barrier. Just doesn’t happen," Trump said.
"Over the next 21 days, I expect that both Democrats and Republicans will operate in good faith," he added. "This is an opportunity for all parties to work together for the benefit of our whole beautiful, wonderful nation."
The president's remarks came as Republicans were increasingly being blamed for the shutdown and the growing number of effects it was having on federal workers and the public.
Hours earlier, major airports began experiencing delays due to a high number of sick-out calls by air traffic controllers. Those controllers are among the 800,000 federal workers who are about to miss a second paycheck because of the shutdown.
Throughout the week, officials complained about the need for Coast Guardsmen to use food pantries to get by, that key FBI investigations were stalling, and tax refunds would be delayed.
The shutdown centered on funding for a southern border wall. Trump has demanded up to $5.7 billion in federal funds for a wall, but Democrats have not agreed to any money so far. And that fight prevented Congress from passing any bill to fund nine federal departments and dozens of independent agencies.
Trump this week was facing increasing pressure from Senate Republicans, who have become desperate to end the standoff. Republican lawmakers urged Vice President Mike Pence in a private meeting Thursday to find a way to end the spending impasse.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/congress/trump-expected-to-call-for-temporary-deal-to-end-the-shutdown (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/congress/trump-expected-to-call-for-temporary-deal-to-end-the-shutdown)
All spin. No wonder he was an hour late to the Rose Garden.
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@aligncare
I'd like to share your optimism, but this ain't my first rodeo.
@Bigun
I'm frustrated as well.
But how many times must trump have to say it, he has an ace in the hole: declaring a national emergency if the political process breaks down?
He’s re-iterated again and again that he wants to use the normal political processes for getting the wall – but, that if it doesn’t happen that way, he’s always got that ace.
The fat lady hasn’t sung, but let’s all wring our hands and gnash our teeth even while the game is still on.
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I can hear the cheers of the rabid, radical left as we speak. Cheers and laughs. But remember, lefties....
he who laughs last, laughs best. And it really isn't (ain't) over yet.
So go ahead. Celebrate your temporary, knee-jerk "win". While you can. :smokin:
Remember ... this is the kind of win you lefties always have...
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A win that always relapses. :silly:
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bleep dumb Congressional traitors as well. This was a team loss.
Agreed....couldn't get the money when we had the House, will never get it with the Dems holding the House,,
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It's always darkest before the dawn!
Can it get any darker?
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Dan Miller's group? Lol. A pretty website it is, but believe me, don't trust that leadership.
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bleep dumb Congressional traitors as well. This was a team loss.
No, this is pretty much all on the Fumb-duck in Chief.
Pretty simple rule he ignored: don’t start what you can’t finish.
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So a whole lot of political damage for nothing is the short answer.
Bipartisan commission... What a joke... The Republicans don't want a wall either... If they did they would have funded it when they held congress...
What a shit show.
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Side note, how is "Lock Her Up" going?
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But how many times must trump have to say it, he has an ace in the hole: declaring a national emergency if the political process breaks down?
Good question. He’s only been using this empty threat, since last March.
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A win that always relapses. :silly:
Enjoy your win. Longest government shutdown in history for nothing but more Presidential disapproval. "Art of the Deal" masterful.
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So a whole lot of political damage for nothing is the short answer.
Bipartisan commission... What a joke... The Republicans don't want a wall either... If they did they would have funded it when the held congress...
What a shit show.
agreed..
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@Right_in_Virginia It is amazing to me how many people here seem to work against their own interests.
It is in our interest for Trump to be President. He will get a wall eventually and he is doing so many other things that are good for our country.
If Trump is somehow destroyed, opening the door for a democrat rule, we will face an unimaginable void and a loss of our country.
It really isn't all that amazing @Emjay The people who have invested in hating Donald Trump simply ignore the consequences.
If their hate wins, my prayer is that they each live long enough to be forced to explain to their children and grandchildren why they applauded the destruction of the last man standing against the tides of globalism and socialism.
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No, this is pretty much all on the Fumb-duck in Chief.
Pretty simple rule he ignored: don’t start what you can’t finish.
:silly: You’re a hoot, @Oceander. Don’t ever change.
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It really isn't all that amazing @Emjay The people who have invested in hating believing Donald Trump simply ignore the consequences.
Fixed it.
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But how many times must trump have to say it, he has an ace in the hole: declaring a national emergency if the political process breaks down?
He’s re-iterated again and again that he wants to use the normal political processes for getting the wall – but, that if it doesn’t happen that way, he’s always got that ace.
The fat lady hasn’t sung, but let’s all wring our hands and gnash our teeth even while the game is still on.
The time for doing that was 2 years ago. Give the scope of the project, the environmental reports, the survey, the civil engineering plus the actual construction, not to mention the lawsuits that will hold any of that up.... uh uh, ain't happening in 2 years.
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I would hope Trump is not stoopid enough to give the SOTU until this is over and done with...
Having Trump say one thing and Pelosi sitting behind him shaking her head would be hilarious but probably not a good look.... :whistle:
Who you gonna believe Trump or Pelosi.... :shrug:
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Guy Benson
â€Verified account @guypbenson
2m2 minutes ago
Overall, predictable denouement & why GOP leaders counseled against this strategy. OTOH, many Dems reiterated support for new barriers over past month & Trump demonstrated appetite for historic-length shutdowns. He won’t get a big win, but if he gets something, he should take it.
If there is one thing we are guilty of, it is the inability to play the long-game. This may have to be done piece-by-piece, and hope that future events will steer more people over to our side, but we're simply not going to be able to get everything we want at once.
It's just even the thought of Pelosi winning on this makes my stomach crawl.
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It really isn't all that amazing @Emjay The people who have invested in hating Donald Trump simply ignore the consequences.
If their hate wins, my prayer is that they each live long enough to be forced to explain to their children and grandchildren why they applauded the destruction of the last man standing against the tides of globalism and socialism.
Really...we have listened for 2 years about this Wall...speech after speech.....and him proclaiming he is a great deal maker...yeah right...he let an 80yr woman get the best of him while 800 people suffered..all for nothing.....he has the power to get this wall built without Congress...why isn't he doing it...
We don't hate him..we are disgusted/pissed for believing him..
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So a whole lot of political damage for nothing is the short answer.
At least he claimed the record for longest shutdown. :shrug:
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So a whole lot of political damage for nothing is the short answer.
Bipartisan commission...
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Enjoy your win. Longest government shutdown in history for nothing but more Presidential disapproval. "Art of the Deal" masterful.
Yeah, I'm telling you to enjoy "your win". Or did you not pick up on that? lol
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If there is one thing we are guilty of, it is the inability to play the long-game. This may have to be done piece-by-piece, and hope that future events will steer more people over to our side, but we're simply not going to be able to get everything we want at once.
It's just even the thought of Pelosi winning on this makes my stomach crawl.
yep
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But how many times must trump have to say it, he has an ace in the hole: declaring a national emergency if the political process breaks down?
He’s re-iterated again and again that he wants to use the normal political processes for getting the wall – but, that if it doesn’t happen that way, he’s always got that ace.
The fat lady hasn’t sung, but let’s all wring our hands and gnash our teeth even while the game is still on.
I don't know, how many times does President Trump has to say it?
26?
Seriously, and I do not know the answer, but can he get funding by declaring a national emergency?
In 2006, approval for fencing was passed, than not funded.
Could the same thing happen again, should he declare a national emergency?
I don't think it will ever get done unless we hold both the house and the senate again.
It didn't when we held the house and a slim majority of the senate for 2 years.
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It really isn't all that amazing @Emjay The people who have invested in hating Donald Trump simply ignore the consequences.
I'm amazed anybody believed in Trump to begin with. "Mexico will pay for it." :silly:
If their hate wins, my prayer is that they each live long enough to be forced to explain to their children and grandchildren why they applauded the destruction of the last man standing against the tides of globalism and socialism.
Here I was thinking you were praying for a wall. Thank you for your prayers for a long life.
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No, this is pretty much all on the Fumb-duck in Chief.
Pretty simple rule he ignored: don’t start what you can’t finish.
So don't even try, 'eh. Should have just gone with Jeb! or Kasich, right? *****rollingeyes*****
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No, this is pretty much all on the Fumb-duck in Chief.
Pretty simple rule he ignored: don’t start what you can’t finish.
Could somebody tell me what Trump's strategy was...what was his end game?
From my perch, Trump really had no strategy. This 21 day extension may be the basis for declaring the national emergency, if we're in the same place as we were an hour ago.
Which will raise the question, "why didn't he declare the emergency in the first place?"
I'm certainly not opening any champagne bottles in celebration, and I'm not enjoying the various postulations of our friends in the Orange Brigade, as they search for meaning in Trump's punting.
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I don't know, how many times does President Trump has to say it?
26?
Seriously, and I do not know the answer, but can he get funding by declaring a national emergency?
In 2006, approval for fencing was passed, than not funded.
Could the same thing happen again, should he declare a national emergency?
I don't think it will ever get done unless we hold both the house and the senate again.
It didn't when we held the house and a slim majority of the senate for 2 years.
Congress doesn't matter. The GOP there has proven over the years that they agree with the Rats on border security. They don't want it. Only we do, and we don't get a say.
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Dennis Miller
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@DennisDMZ
Trump in essence is saying “Accordingly, I shall not seek, and I will not accept, the nomination of my party for another term as your president."#LBDJT
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The time for doing that was 2 years ago. Give the scope of the project, the environmental reports, the survey, the civil engineering plus the actual construction, not to mention the lawsuits that will hold any of that up.... uh uh, ain't happening in 2 years.
The great wall of China didn’t take as long to build as it takes getting important legislation through congress.
I hope folks can appreciate that Donald Trump has built hundreds of walls before in another career. He knows a thing or two about the process, the costs, what to expect.
In fact, he just may be the most qualified president ever to build a wall.
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Congress doesn't matter. The GOP there has proven over the years that they agree with the Rats on border security. They don't want it. Only we do, and we don't get a say.
We haven't (really) had a say in decades now. We just haven't wanted to face that harsh reality.
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I'm amazed anybody believed in Trump to begin with. "Mexico will pay for it." :silly:
Here I was thinking you were praying for a wall. Thank you for your prayers for a long life.
Cripes. Even your snark is boring. :laugh:
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David Jolly
â€Verified account @DavidJollyFL
27m27 minutes ago
Not sure the President recovers from this politically. Seriously.
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Really...we have listened for 2 years about this Wall...speech after speech.....and him proclaiming he is a great deal maker...yeah right...he let an 80yr woman get the best of him while 800 people suffered..all for nothing.....he has the power to get this wall built without Congress...why isn't he doing it...
We don't hate him..we are disgusted/pissed for believing him..
QFT
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If the Republicans can't stake out any ground and have the courage to hold it then they have no strategy at all. They've given up on everything of importance. From Obamacare, deficit spending, social issues to border control.
The ONLY thing they have which is way past its sell date is "the Democrats are worse"... That's some sales pitch...
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Bo Snerdley
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20m20 minutes ago
This President is a fighter and this moment - while not the best to be in is not the "final" moment. Trump is a fighter. He is NOT a whimp. Let's see what happens next.
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Joe Walsh
â€Verified account @WalshFreedom
4m4 minutes ago
Trump had two years of a favorable Congress to get the damn wall. He didn't.
Trump could've asked for full wall funding in the $1.3 trillion omnibus. He didn't.
Trump caves to Pelosi while Trump sycophants say he won. He didn't.
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It really isn't all that amazing @Emjay The people who have invested in hating Donald Trump simply ignore the consequences.
If their hate wins, my prayer is that they each live long enough to be forced to explain to their children and grandchildren why they applauded the destruction of the last man standing against the tides of globalism and socialism.
@Right_in_Virginia , if Trump is the "last man standing", we've already lost.
I'm a bit more optimistic, based on political events throughout American history. I'm fully confident that the Democrats will overreach (again), and it seems to be playing out before us. In their dash to be the next Dem nominee, the first dozen or so have been displaying a complete dearth of knowledge of the Constitution, and posing ideas that are anathema to flyover country.
There simply are insufficient liberals to vote these loons into office.
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Instead of focusing on the wall, why can’t the focus be on why they are coming here in the first place? Handouts, pure and simple. Stop the handouts. Stop free medical, stop free schooling, stop their filing for IRS credits. Go after companies hiring un E-verified employees. Dry up their ability to live off the government tit. Go after identity theft. Dry up all the money sources for illegal aliens.
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The great wall of China didn’t take as long to build as it takes getting important legislation through congress.
I hope folks can appreciate that Donald Trump has built hundreds of walls before in another career. He knows a thing or two about the process, the costs, what to expect.
In fact, he just may be the most qualified president ever to build a wall.
Dude.... you're not making your case here (hate to tell ya). More like rubbing salt in a very fresh wound. Maybe you should just drop the subject for now..(timing is everything)... and wait a while to bring it up again? lol
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Ann Coulter
â€Verified account @AnnCoulter
Good news for George Herbert Walker Bush: As of today, he is no longer the biggest wimp ever to serve as President of the United States.
2:55 PM - 25 Jan 2019
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Could somebody tell me what Trump's strategy was...what was his end game?
"I'm not going to take no for an answer because I just refuse to do that, because I'm a winner, and winners we don't listen to words like "no," or "don't," or "stop." Those words are just not in our vocabulary. Winners always win."
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Dennis Miller
@DennisDMZ
Trump in essence is saying “Accordingly, I shall not seek, and I will not accept, the nomination of my party for another term as your president."#LBDJT
1:21 PM - Jan 25, 2019
Say hello to President Castro and Vice President Harris. :patriot:
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If there is one thing we are guilty of, it is the inability to play the long-game. This may have to be done piece-by-piece, and hope that future events will steer more people over to our side, but we're simply not going to be able to get everything we want at once.
It's just even the thought of Pelosi winning on this makes my stomach crawl.
Hey gator, there's at least some good news out there: Linehan is gone! :rolling:
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Instead of focusing on the wall, why can’t the focus be on why they are coming here in the first place? Handouts, pure and simple. Stop the handouts. Stop free medical, stop free schooling, stop their filing for IRS credits. Go after companies hiring un E-verified employees. Dry up their ability to live off the government tit. Go after identity theft. Dry up all the money sources for illegal aliens.
Right. Enforce the damned laws already on the books, for a refreshing change. But oh hell no.... now we've got idiots out there wanting to abolish/eliminate ICE. The inmates are running the asylum and about to burn it down.
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Pelosi Rules Drumpf drools.
Yup we'll be seeing video of her and Schmucker laughing it up how they have all the power and Trump sucks at negotiating. He should have held firm and given a SOTU somewhere else and laid the blame for the shutdown firmly where it belongs with Pelosi etal not even sending him a bill.
Seems like since Reagan more so than ever, democrats hold and republicans fold. 9999hair out0000
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@Right_in_Virginia , if Trump is the "last man standing", we've already lost.
The President is the ONLY Republican man standing.
So you may be right. Republicanism/Conservatism is over.
You must be so very proud. :patriot:
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There's one way to save this.
"Congress... you have three weeks. Either put the money for the wall into the budget, or I will shut things down again... and this time the layoffs will be permanent!"
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The problem with the Texas Nationalist movements, is they are headed by a bunch of kooks who want to sell phony land grants or fake currency or just get people to their MLM meetings.
That is ancient history and untrue about the current TNM.
https://tnm.me/
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Say hello to President Castro and Vice President Harris. :patriot:
Should of thought of that before electing Trump. Wrecking balls wreck things. Not very good at building things.
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Really...we have listened for 2 years about this Wall...speech after speech.....and him proclaiming he is a great deal maker...yeah right...he let an 80yr woman get the best of him while 800 people suffered..all for nothing.....he has the power to get this wall built without Congress...why isn't he doing it...
We don't hate him..we are disgusted/pissed for believing him..
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Instead of focusing on the wall, why can’t the focus be on why they are coming here in the first place? Handouts, pure and simple. Stop the handouts. Stop free medical, stop free schooling, stop their filing for IRS credits. Go after companies hiring un E-verified employees. Dry up their ability to live off the government tit. Go after identity theft. Dry up all the money sources for illegal aliens.
:amen:
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There's one way to save this.
"Congress... you have three weeks. Either put the money for the wall into the budget, or I will shut things down again... and this time the layoffs will be permanent!"
My point awhile ago was start laying off federal employees. Make the consequences real for the Dems.
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Should of thought of that before electing Trump. Wrecking balls wreck things. Not very good at building things.
Still pining for Hillary, I see. Sorry, we took this victory from you. It was nothing personal. :shrug:
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Cripes. Even your snark is boring. :laugh:
Even if I ultimately end up hating Trump's guts there are one or two of his critics here who will continue to provoke nothing but disgust. What miserable and pathetic individuals.
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There's one way to save this.
"Congress... you have three weeks. Either put the money for the wall into the budget, or I will shut things down again... and this time the layoffs will be permanent!"
Why not? It's a good time to start believing Trump promises...
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Cripes. Even your snark is boring. :laugh:
Yet you repost my "snark" and respond every damn time like palov's dog to a ringing bell. Who is your controller Russiabot?
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My point awhile ago was start laying off federal employees. Make the consequences real for the Dems.
Too late for that now... now that a deal has been made. It looks like there will be no consequences for the rats. Seems like there never is.
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That is ancient history and untrue about the current TNM.
https://tnm.me/
That movement is one was specifically referring to. I've been close to that group since they were in a hole in a wall trailer in Overton (technically before but that's a story for another day). A slick website doesn't make something trustworthy.
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Should of thought of that before electing Trump. Wrecking balls wreck things. Not very good at building things.
Was Bush a wrecking ball? We got Obama because of him.
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Should of thought of that before electing Trump. Wrecking balls wreck things. Not very good at building things.
Yeah. Jeb! and all the other losers were so strong on the border. It also helps that McConnell and Ryan are card carrying members of the Open Borders society too.
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Could somebody tell me what Trump's strategy was...what was his end game?
Looking back on the past few weeks, I’d say it wasn’t strategy at all, but a reflex. Pressure from the right made him panic. He thought he might force a vote on $5B for the a portion of the wall, thinking it would go through and fight the next Congress for more. He gambled and lost.
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Was Bush a wrecking ball? We got Obama because of him.
Yes. Said that many times. The result of Bush was Obama. The result of Trump is going to be worse.
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Seems like since Reagan more so than ever, democrats hold and republicans fold. 9999hair out0000
You can thank the Bushes for that.
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Was Bush a wrecking ball? We got Obama because of him.
Bush was the face of incompetence. Worse then that he got a hell of a lot of people killed for nothing.
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Yes. Said that many times. The result of Bush was Obama. The result of Trump is going to be worse.
The worst part is, we'll never know the result of having a conservative in office, since we haven't had one since Coolidge—and even he only got in by Harding dying.
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Too late for that now... now that a deal has been made. It looks like there will be no consequences for the rats. Seems like there never is.
This "temporary" reopening of the Government is the camel's nose under the tent flap for the Dems...the Government won't get shut down again...and the wall won't get built now that the Dems have made Trump blink on this.
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Instead of focusing on the wall, why can’t the focus be on why they are coming here in the first place? Handouts, pure and simple. Stop the handouts. Stop free medical, stop free schooling, stop their filing for IRS credits. Go after companies hiring un E-verified employees. Dry up their ability to live off the government tit. Go after identity theft. Dry up all the money sources for illegal aliens.
Because there is not a single person in this government with the intestinal fortitude to do what really needs doing!
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Still pining for Hillary, I see. Sorry, we took this victory from you. It was nothing personal. :shrug:
Talk about tired, old, worn out snark. *****rollingeyes*****
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"I'm not going to take no for an answer because I just refuse to do that, because I'm a winner, and winners we don't listen to words like "no," or "don't," or "stop." Those words are just not in our vocabulary. Winners always win."
Trump is now Otter, and we are Flounder:
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Was Bush a wrecking ball? We got Obama because of him.
After Pelosi took over in 2006 Bush gave up.
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Yeah. Jeb! and all the other losers were so strong on the border. It also helps that McConnell and Ryan are card carrying members of the Open Borders society too.
I've said repeatedly that the Republicans don't want a wall. Even up thread.
But this last adventure is all Trump.
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The worst part is, we'll never know the result of having a conservative in office, since we haven't had one since Coolidge—and even he only got in by Harding dying.
Uh oh, be ready for the incoming of worshippers of "St. Reagan".
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The great wall of China didn’t take as long to build as it takes getting important legislation through congress.
I hope folks can appreciate that Donald Trump has built hundreds of walls before in another career. He knows a thing or two about the process, the costs, what to expect.
In fact, he just may be the most qualified president ever to build a wall.
That doesn't change any of what I said that. All that stuff has to be done before it's built and what will take the longest are the lawsuits.
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But how many times must trump have to say it, he has an ace in the hole: declaring a national emergency if the political process breaks down?
He’s re-iterated again and again that he wants to use the normal political processes for getting the wall – but, that if it doesn’t happen that way, he’s always got that ace.
The fat lady hasn’t sung, but let’s all wring our hands and gnash our teeth even while the game is still on.
One of the very few posts on this thread exhibiting perspective and common sense.
@aligncare
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Dude.... you're not making your case here (hate to tell ya). More like rubbing salt in a very fresh wound. Maybe you should just drop the subject for now..(timing is everything)... and wait a while to bring it up again? lol
Thank you for your suggestion. I’ll be ignoring it, of course.
So, what is untrue about what I said? Can you name another president who’s had the experience of building skyscrapers and hundreds of other structures across the globe, in a long building career?
I can’t think of one who can come close to Trump’s experience with the building trades.
You don’t have to answer. I know you just like to puff yourself up and show everybody how smart you are – not.
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This "temporary" reopening of the Government is the camel's nose under the tent flap for the Dems...the Government won't get shut down again...and the wall won't get built now that the Dems have made Trump blink on this.
And Trump will be suitably rewarded in 2020, if he's foolhardy enough to run.
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Here is the leader and hero of the Never Trump movement in action.....
George W. Bush on immigrants: 'We ought to say thank you and welcome them'
https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/372882-george-w-bush-on-immigrants-we-ought-to-say-thank-you-and-welcome
Former President George W. Bush said on Thursday that the U.S. needs to “welcome†immigrants and thank them for doing the "jobs that Americans won't do."
"Americans don’t want to pick cotton at 105 degrees, but there are people who want to put food on their family’s tables and are willing to do that,†he said, according to The Associated Press. "We ought to say thank you and welcome them.â€
Speaking at a summit in Abu Dhabi, Bush criticized President Trump’s approach to the Obama-era Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program, which protects undocumented immigrations who were brought to the U.S. as children from deportation.
“America’s their home,†Bush said of DACA recipients.
This is the type of person who populates the entire GOP except for the White House. Bush tried many times to open the borders and yet all the Never Trumpers are blaming the President for inaction on the border. It's a hoot.
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After Pelosi took over in 206 Bush gave up.
A result similar to the one I now expect.
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That movement is one was specifically referring to. I've been close to that group since they were in a hole in a wall trailer in Overton (technically before but that's a story for another day). A slick website doesn't make something trustworthy.
Perhaps you should read the website to see what they are doing.
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Uh oh, be ready for the incoming of worshippers of "St. Reagan".
Isn't he the dude that started this shitshow immigration issue and lost California to the Rats in perpetuity?
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After Pelosi took over in 206 Bush gave up.
"Compassionate conservationism" and amnesty for millions of illegals was all Bush. Expanding government in all directions repeatedly - no child left behind, drug programs, etc. He was poison for conservatism by remaking it in his own image. That wasn't incompetence. That was liberalism.
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Thank you for your suggestion. I’ll be ignoring it, of course.
So, what is untrue about what I said? Can you name another president who’s had the experience of building skyscrapers and hundreds of other structures across the globe, in a long building career?
I can’t think of one who can come close to Trump’s experience with the building trades.
You don’t have to answer. I know you just like to puff yourself up and show everybody how smart you are – not.
What is not smart... is lauding how Trump is THE best qualified person to build a wall... on a thread where he just caved to the rats on building a wall. (friggin duh)
Not smart... but funny as hell!
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Perhaps you should read the website to see what they are doing.
Words on a website are just words. They are like 'organic' labels on produce- almost meaningless other than to attract a target market.
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Still pining for Hillary, I see. Sorry, we took this victory from you. It was nothing personal. :shrug:
If you’re unhappy with the things being said here, I can’t imagine what you’re dealing with at Fukushima Republic.
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If you’re unhappy with the things being said here, I can’t imagine what you’re dealing with at Fukushima Republic.
I think I might pop the lid on the sewer and take a look....
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And Trump will be suitably rewarded in 2020, if he's foolhardy enough to run.
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Oh he'll run again all right. He's got enough of an echo chamber telling him he's the best President in the last 70 years to make him try for a second term.
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Still pining for Hillary, I see. Sorry, we took this victory from you. It was nothing personal. :shrug:
Actually had Hilliary won and the GOP had both houses of Congress then the chances of getting the wall would have been way higher than with Trump. Today's GOP functions much better as an opposition rather that a ruling party. There might not have been a "big beautiful wall" but the GOP likely would have got something out of Hillary and strengthened its hold on Congress in 2016 instead of losing with Trump... :shrug:
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I'm sure Trumpbart is imploding too. I told RiV last night that The Base is crumbling she snarked back something very profound, indeed. :whistle:
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"Compassionate conservationism" and amnesty for millions of illegals was all Bush. Expanding government in all directions repeatedly - no child left behind, drug programs, etc. He was poison for conservatism by remaking it in his own image. That wasn't incompetence. That was liberalism.
"Compassionate conservationism" is neither.
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Oh he'll run again all right. He's got enough of an echo chamber telling him he's the best President in the last 70 years to make him try for a second term.
His EGO will demand it!!!!!
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Wayne Dupree
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â€Verified account @WayneDupreeShow
55s56 seconds ago
THIS JUST IN: Schumer said there will be a "discussion" on border security as "we promised."
[paraphrasing] The American people were agast at what Trump did to the federal workers, Democrats are firmly against the wall but can agree on other sercurity things #RealTalk
There will never be a wall under this President..
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Alrighty then. The only chance for our future is immediate Calexit.
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"Compassionate conservationism" and amnesty for millions of illegals was all Bush. Expanding government in all directions repeatedly - no child left behind, drug programs, etc. He was poison for conservatism by remaking it in his own image. That wasn't incompetence. That was liberalism.
And whats funny is the pushback from the people upset that Bush caved and was willing to consider amnesty was what got us the 2006 Border Security Act or whatever it was called that all the Dems are trying to pretend they never voted for.
There won't be that kind of outcry from the masses this time IMO because there's too many people...as we've started to see here already...who think Trump did nothing wrong today...that it was a brilliant move and anyone who says different is just "pining for Hillary". That will paralyze any effort to from the people to get the wall built.
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Adam Parkhomenko
Adam Parkhomenko
"Pelosi is going to have to add Trump to her disclosure forms where it asks for a list of assets she owns."
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:rolling:
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:silly:
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I think I might pop the lid on the sewer and take a look....
Probably resembles your avatar.
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New Hat a few members of TBR must be wearing as they spin this as a win.... might as well rename my avatar as Pelosi holding Trump's head...
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"Pelosi is going to have to add Trump to her disclosure forms where it asks for a list of assets she owns."
uh huh
"Pelosi is going to have to add Trump to her disclosure forms where it asks for a list of assets ASSHATS she owns."
Fixed it.
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Because there is not a single person in this government with the intestinal fortitude to do what really needs doing!
That's why I'm an Anarchist at Heart. Well, more of an AnCap.
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I'm sure Trumpbart is imploding too. I told RiV last night that The Base is crumbling she snarked back something very profound, indeed. :whistle:
"Profound" is not a word I would associate with @Right_in_Virginia , but that's just me. :rolling:
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Adam Parkhomenko
Adam Parkhomenko
"Pelosi is going to have to add Trump to her disclosure forms where it asks for a list of assets she owns."
Big surprise you would be following a Rat piece of shit and a Hitlary worker on Twit.....
Adam Parkhomenko
Description
Adam Parkhomenko is a Democratic political strategist and organizer who served as National Field Director for the Democratic National Committee in 2016.
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Oh he'll run again all right. He's got enough of an echo chamber telling him he's the best President in the last 70 years to make him try for a second term.
They'll probably have a special about it on The Gorilla Channel.
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@Emjay, it is not in our interest if he just goes along to get along. Not at all.
@Sanguine Trump making a decision to end the shutdown, which, rightly or wrongly, was hurting his cause is not going along to get along.
It's living to fight another day. I think Trump rightly decided he could get nothing done during a shut down.
It is totally in our interest to support Trump, even if we don't like him and even if we disagree with some things he does.
He is our border, our boundary against the truly evil people on the other side.
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Trump lost, huge. And in this instance his loss is also the country's loss.
The man who was going to drain the swamp was instead overcome by it. People can disagree about who defeated him - Pelosi, gutless Congressional Republicans, the six R Senators, the media, etc. But whoever defeated him, he was defeated on his signature issue.
Naive faith that he has a plan, he knows how to build walls, he never quits, is simply whistling past the graveyard by those who can't admit that they backed a losing horse who loudly proclaimed himself a winner.
Exactly what leverage does Trump now have to get the wall built? Yes he could make bellicose statements that he'll let the government close down in February and *keep* it closed down. But what would make the Democrats, the gutless Congressional Republicans, or the media operate any differently next time? Why would there be a different outcome?
He can still declare a national emergency, and I hope he will. But we all know that would immediately be stayed by a Federal Court. The time required for that question to work through the Federal Judiciary will occupy the remainder of his term, and there is no guarantee the Roberts-led USSC would rule in Trump's favor.
Yes, he is better than a Democrat president. Yes, he has put two Constitutionalists on the USSC. Yes, he has taken a clear position against regulation. Yes, the market boomed after his election. But his signature issue, the reason he ran, was The Wall and he lost it. It is now proven empirically that he is not capable of doing what he said, and what many believed, he could do.
If he runs again I'll most likely vote for him, but my bet is that his administration is essentially finished.
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Trump lost, huge. And in this instance his loss is also the country's loss.
The man who was going to drain the swamp was instead overcome by it. People can disagree about who defeated him - Pelosi, gutless Congressional Republicans, the six R Senators, the media, etc. But whoever defeated him, he was defeated on his signature issue.
Naive faith that he has a plan, he knows how to build walls, he never quits, is simply whistling past the graveyard by those who can't admit that they backed a losing horse who loudly proclaimed himself a winner.
Exactly what leverage does Trump now have to get the wall built? Yes he could make bellicose statements that he'll let the government close down in February and *keep* it closed down. But what would make the Democrats, the gutless Congressional Republicans, or the media operate any differently next time? Why would there be a different outcome?
He can still declare a national emergency, and I hope he will. But we all know that would immediately be stayed by a Federal Court. The time required for that question to work through the Federal Judiciary will occupy the remainder of his term, and there is no guarantee the Roberts-led USSC would rule in Trump's favor.
Yes, he is better than a Democrat president. Yes, he has put two Constitutionalists on the USSC. Yes, he has taken a clear position against regulation. Yes, the market boomed after his election. But his signature issue, the reason he ran, was The Wall and he lost it. It is now proven empirically that he is not capable of doing what he said, and what many believed, he could do.
If he runs again I'll most likely vote for him, but my bet is that his administration is essentially finished.
I think so too. His promise to build the wall just went the way of "Read my lips." One can put the blame for today anywhere one wants, but the fact of the matter is the GOP didn't act on it while they were in charge, and Trump didn't press the issue with them either.
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goopo @SamHouston
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@Sanguine Trump making a decision to end the shutdown, which, rightly or wrongly, was hurting his cause is not going along to get along.
It's living to fight another day. I think Trump rightly decided he could get nothing done during a shut down.
It is totally in our interest to support Trump, even if we don't like him and even if we disagree with some things he does.
He is our border, our boundary against the truly evil people on the other side.
LOL... Don't start something without a plan or the courage to finish it. The Dems now have solid leverage over Trump with the threat of a government shutdown to get whatever they want.
Trump folded when his test of courage came and there will be consequences.
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Newsman: Sir, why are you running?
Reporter #1: Why are you running?
Reporter #2: Are you doing this for world peace?
Reporter #3: Are you doing this for women's right?
Newsman: Or for the environment?
Reporter #1: Or for animals?
Reporter #3: Or for nuclear arms?
Forrest TRUMP: [narrating] They just couldn't believe that somebody would do all that running for no particular reason.
Reporter #2: Why are you doing this?
Forrest TRUMP: I just felt like running.
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Wayne Dupree
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THIS JUST IN: Schumer said there will be a "discussion" on border security as "we promised."
[paraphrasing] The American people were agast at what Trump did to the federal workers, Democrats are firmly against the wall but can agree on other sercurity things #RealTalk
There will never be a wall under this President..
The vast majority of American people didn't give a shit.
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*Someone had to step up and be the bigger person..Trump did*....RNC's response......lmao...sure whatever..
btw it's not called the wall anymore..it's a barrier..
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Trump lost, huge. And in this instance his loss is also the country's loss.
Aided by the six Republican traitors, yesterday.
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Trump lost, huge. And in this instance his loss is also the country's loss.
The man who was going to drain the swamp was instead overcome by it. People can disagree about who defeated him - Pelosi, gutless Congressional Republicans, the six R Senators, the media, etc. But whoever defeated him, he was defeated on his signature issue.
Naive faith that he has a plan, he knows how to build walls, he never quits, is simply whistling past the graveyard by those who can't admit that they backed a losing horse who loudly proclaimed himself a winner.
Exactly what leverage does Trump now have to get the wall built? Yes he could make bellicose statements that he'll let the government close down in February and *keep* it closed down. But what would make the Democrats, the gutless Congressional Republicans, or the media operate any differently next time? Why would there be a different outcome?
He can still declare a national emergency, and I hope he will. But we all know that would immediately be stayed by a Federal Court. The time required for that question to work through the Federal Judiciary will occupy the remainder of his term, and there is no guarantee the Roberts-led USSC would rule in Trump's favor.
Yes, he is better than a Democrat president. Yes, he has put two Constitutionalists on the USSC. Yes, he has taken a clear position against regulation. Yes, the market boomed after his election. But his signature issue, the reason he ran, was The Wall and he lost it. It is now proven empirically that he is not capable of doing what he said, and what many believed, he could do.
If he runs again I'll most likely vote for him, but my bet is that his administration is essentially finished.
Why can't you see that your post is nothing but a death wish @HoustonSam ????
Trump hasn't handled this issue exactly as you wanted so you decide to cave to the dark side?
And I mean dark, beyond anything you can imagine.
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Trump lost, huge. And in this instance his loss is also the country's loss.
The man who was going to drain the swamp was instead overcome by it. People can disagree about who defeated him - Pelosi, gutless Congressional Republicans, the six R Senators, the media, etc. But whoever defeated him, he was defeated on his signature issue.
Naive faith that he has a plan, he knows how to build walls, he never quits, is simply whistling past the graveyard by those who can't admit that they backed a losing horse who loudly proclaimed himself a winner.
Exactly what leverage does Trump now have to get the wall built? Yes he could make bellicose statements that he'll let the government close down in February and *keep* it closed down. But what would make the Democrats, the gutless Congressional Republicans, or the media operate any differently next time? Why would there be a different outcome?
He can still declare a national emergency, and I hope he will. But we all know that would immediately be stayed by a Federal Court. The time required for that question to work through the Federal Judiciary will occupy the remainder of his term, and there is no guarantee the Roberts-led USSC would rule in Trump's favor.
Yes, he is better than a Democrat president. Yes, he has put two Constitutionalists on the USSC. Yes, he has taken a clear position against regulation. Yes, the market boomed after his election. But his signature issue, the reason he ran, was The Wall and he lost it. It is now proven empirically that he is not capable of doing what he said, and what many believed, he could do.
If he runs again I'll most likely vote for him, but my bet is that his administration is essentially finished.
Well stated, HS.
I realize that a lot of folks on the right are now feeling betrayed... and that the "winning" meme has been made a mockery of.... but emotions are running high right now, as expected. Let's wait a day or so and see how things go before we make blanket predictions. Nobody really knows what will happen next.
Do I think he caved? Yeah. Does it mean we, on the right, are ultimately defeated? Hell no.
Just sayin....
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Trump lost, huge. And in this instance his loss is also the country's loss.
The man who was going to drain the swamp was instead overcome by it. People can disagree about who defeated him - Pelosi, gutless Congressional Republicans, the six R Senators, the media, etc. But whoever defeated him, he was defeated on his signature issue.
Naive faith that he has a plan, he knows how to build walls, he never quits, is simply whistling past the graveyard by those who can't admit that they backed a losing horse who loudly proclaimed himself a winner.
Exactly what leverage does Trump now have to get the wall built? Yes he could make bellicose statements that he'll let the government close down in February and *keep* it closed down. But what would make the Democrats, the gutless Congressional Republicans, or the media operate any differently next time? Why would there be a different outcome?
He can still declare a national emergency, and I hope he will. But we all know that would immediately be stayed by a Federal Court. The time required for that question to work through the Federal Judiciary will occupy the remainder of his term, and there is no guarantee the Roberts-led USSC would rule in Trump's favor.
Yes, he is better than a Democrat president. Yes, he has put two Constitutionalists on the USSC. Yes, he has taken a clear position against regulation. Yes, the market boomed after his election. But his signature issue, the reason he ran, was The Wall and he lost it. It is now proven empirically that he is not capable of doing what he said, and what many believed, he could do.
If he runs again I'll most likely vote for him, but my bet is that his administration is essentially finished.
Good post....totally agree..
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Big surprise you would be following a Rat piece of shit and a Hitlary worker on Twit.....
Adam Parkhomenko
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I am not following him, just showing how the left is taking this. Trump gave them a win.
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Texit.
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They'll probably have a special about it on The Gorilla Channel.
That's my bit. :beer:
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*Someone had to step up and be the bigger person..Trump did*....RNC's response......lmao...sure whatever..
btw it's not called the wall anymore..it's a barrier..
Soon to be 'BEADED Barrier', after the Bipartisan Committee Report.
(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/d0/e5/e4/d0e5e440adb17cec159ce7e9510da8e3.jpg)
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Soon to be 'BEADED Barrier', after the Bipartisan Committee Report.
(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/d0/e5/e4/d0e5e440adb17cec159ce7e9510da8e3.jpg)
All we need now is a bong and some black lights. :cool:
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Did any of you honestly think anyone was going to force Nancy Pelosi to cave on this? If so, how did you think he was going to do it?
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Texit.
Sign me up.
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How else could you understand this? @XenaLee
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I am not following him, just showing how the left is taking this. Trump gave them a win.
The left will spin anything they can into a win. See: Covington Catholic.
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Texit.
:cool:
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Trump lost, huge. And in this instance his loss is also the country's loss.
The man who was going to drain the swamp was instead overcome by it. People can disagree about who defeated him - Pelosi, gutless Congressional Republicans, the six R Senators, the media, etc. But whoever defeated him, he was defeated on his signature issue.
Naive faith that he has a plan, he knows how to build walls, he never quits, is simply whistling past the graveyard by those who can't admit that they backed a losing horse who loudly proclaimed himself a winner.
Exactly what leverage does Trump now have to get the wall built? Yes he could make bellicose statements that he'll let the government close down in February and *keep* it closed down. But what would make the Democrats, the gutless Congressional Republicans, or the media operate any differently next time? Why would there be a different outcome?
He can still declare a national emergency, and I hope he will. But we all know that would immediately be stayed by a Federal Court. The time required for that question to work through the Federal Judiciary will occupy the remainder of his term, and there is no guarantee the Roberts-led USSC would rule in Trump's favor.
Yes, he is better than a Democrat president. Yes, he has put two Constitutionalists on the USSC. Yes, he has taken a clear position against regulation. Yes, the market boomed after his election. But his signature issue, the reason he ran, was The Wall and he lost it. It is now proven empirically that he is not capable of doing what he said, and what many believed, he could do.
If he runs again I'll most likely vote for him, but my bet is that his administration is essentially finished.
I can't disagree with any of this. I will keep hoping as well.
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How else could you understand this? @XenaLee
Lol..... well right about now, I could use some herbal "help" understanding it. wink777
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Did any of you honestly think anyone was going to force Nancy Pelosi to cave on this? If so, how did you think he was going to do it?
Nope....said from the beginning he wouldn't win this...Pelosi would never cave..
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Did any of you honestly think anyone was going to force Nancy Pelosi to cave on this? If so, how did you think he was going to do it?
Totally amazing @jmyrlefuller how people here seem to think Trump has magical powers.
I'm gonna have to take a hiatus for a couple of days, I think.
I just hate the living.
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Why can't you see that your post is nothing but a death wish @HoustonSam ????
Trump hasn't handled this issue exactly as you wanted so you decide to cave to the dark side?
And I mean dark, beyond anything you can imagine.
Because it's not a wish at all @Emjay, it's a reasoned conclusion. I certainly don't enjoy reaching this conclusion, and my reasoning might be flawed. But it's not a death wish because it's not a wish.
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Nope....said from the beginning he wouldn't win this...Pelosi would never cave..
So why are you railing against him now for seeing the inevitable. As I've said numerous times here, he's living to fight another day.
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Did any of you honestly think anyone was going to force Nancy Pelosi to cave on this? If so, how did you think he was going to do it?
There is no way to win on any issue as long as this tactic is out there. Especially with so many poltroons in our own party.
Someone had better find a way to deal with it or we will lose what slender chance this country still has.
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Because it's not a wish at all @Emjay, it's a reasoned conclusion. I certainly don't enjoy reaching this conclusion, and my reasoning might be flawed. But it's not a death wish because it's not a wish.
You may not call it a wish @HoustonSam but it is a sorry caving to the left. And that is a death wish.
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Trump lost, huge. And in this instance his loss is also the country's loss.
The man who was going to drain the swamp was instead overcome by it. People can disagree about who defeated him - Pelosi, gutless Congressional Republicans, the six R Senators, the media, etc. But whoever defeated him, he was defeated on his signature issue.
Naive faith that he has a plan, he knows how to build walls, he never quits, is simply whistling past the graveyard by those who can't admit that they backed a losing horse who loudly proclaimed himself a winner.
Exactly what leverage does Trump now have to get the wall built? Yes he could make bellicose statements that he'll let the government close down in February and *keep* it closed down. But what would make the Democrats, the gutless Congressional Republicans, or the media operate any differently next time? Why would there be a different outcome?
He can still declare a national emergency, and I hope he will. But we all know that would immediately be stayed by a Federal Court. The time required for that question to work through the Federal Judiciary will occupy the remainder of his term, and there is no guarantee the Roberts-led USSC would rule in Trump's favor.
Yes, he is better than a Democrat president. Yes, he has put two Constitutionalists on the USSC. Yes, he has taken a clear position against regulation. Yes, the market boomed after his election. But his signature issue, the reason he ran, was The Wall and he lost it. It is now proven empirically that he is not capable of doing what he said, and what many believed, he could do.
If he runs again I'll most likely vote for him, but my bet is that his administration is essentially finished.
This was the signature issue he ran on, from day one.
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You may not call it a wish @HoustonSam but it is a sorry caving to the left. And that is a death wish.
@Emjay
Who did the caving?
It wasn't @HoustonSam
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If he runs again I'll most likely vote for him, but my bet is that his administration is essentially finished.
Considering he has so many cabinet members and aides in ‘acting’ positions, it only seems fitting to have an acting president.
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There is no way to win on any issue as long as this tactic is out there. Especially with so many poltroons in our own party.
Someone had better find a way to deal with it or we will lose what slender chance this country still has.
I suspect Romney was the lead backstabber.
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That's my bit. :beer:
Sorry for muscling into the territory. Here's some :2popcorn: to go with the :beer:
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I suspect Romney was the lead backstabber.
More like Murder on the Orient express: There were many hands wielding the knife.
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Today John McCain is smiling from Hell.
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@Emjay don't go away just realize that some here always saw through the BS that was Trump INC., and never shared the Hope you have. It's not a Hate thing and it's not wishing him to fail it's just that we always looked at him differently than some, as you, do.
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I suspect Romney was the lead backstabber.
You mean Mitt McCain? Hell yeah, he was.
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@Sanguine Trump making a decision to end the shutdown, which, rightly or wrongly, was hurting his cause is not going along to get along.
It's living to fight another day. I think Trump rightly decided he could get nothing done during a shut down.
It is totally in our interest to support Trump, even if we don't like him and even if we disagree with some things he does.
He is our border, our boundary against the truly evil people on the other side.
Your stance leads to the following question: which hill, if not the wall/border security (the issue he was elected on), is he willing to die on?
Or is it all puffery?
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Trump lost, huge. And in this instance his loss is also the country's loss.
The man who was going to drain the swamp was instead overcome by it. People can disagree about who defeated him - Pelosi, gutless Congressional Republicans, the six R Senators, the media, etc. But whoever defeated him, he was defeated on his signature issue.
Naive faith that he has a plan, he knows how to build walls, he never quits, is simply whistling past the graveyard by those who can't admit that they backed a losing horse who loudly proclaimed himself a winner.
Exactly what leverage does Trump now have to get the wall built? Yes he could make bellicose statements that he'll let the government close down in February and *keep* it closed down. But what would make the Democrats, the gutless Congressional Republicans, or the media operate any differently next time? Why would there be a different outcome?
He can still declare a national emergency, and I hope he will. But we all know that would immediately be stayed by a Federal Court. The time required for that question to work through the Federal Judiciary will occupy the remainder of his term, and there is no guarantee the Roberts-led USSC would rule in Trump's favor.
Yes, he is better than a Democrat president. Yes, he has put two Constitutionalists on the USSC. Yes, he has taken a clear position against regulation. Yes, the market boomed after his election. But his signature issue, the reason he ran, was The Wall and he lost it. It is now proven empirically that he is not capable of doing what he said, and what many believed, he could do.
If he runs again I'll most likely vote for him, but my bet is that his administration is essentially finished.
That was a thoughtful post. I disagree with points but I understand your point of view. I am heartened that when backed into a corner President Trump was capable of seeing reality and limited the damage to 35 days without pushing the red button of "national emergency." I honestly wasn't sure he wouldn't.
Anything that can be accomplished by one President can be undone by one President when Trump resigns, is forced from office by impeachment, or succumbs to an artery clogged BigMac heart attack. It is however disheartening to see just what a crappy deal maker President Trump exposed.
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Lol..... well right about now, I could use some herbal "help" understanding it. wink777
I got mine right here. Nevada is right across the river....
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Regardless of what I hear or read from the American media, I have learned that they never tell the whole story. They only tell 'their' story. And I also know that as silly as he may seem, to never underestimate Trump. People have lost a lot by doing that in the past. I am willing to wait and see.
What we hear today, will not be what is being said next week. And even that will be different a month from now.
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I got mine right here. Nevada is right across the river....
Dammit. While I do love Texas and would never move.... I might have to force myself to take a little trip (pardon pun)....lololol.
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Calexit
Right after Kamala Harris becomes the Dem pick for 2020.
She will no longer be a U.S citizen....
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Out of sheer force of habit I keep lighting these Winston's instead of my pipe.
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Newsman: Sir, why are you running?
Reporter #1: Why are you running?
Reporter #2: Are you doing this for world peace?
Reporter #3: Are you doing this for women's right?
Newsman: Or for the environment?
Reporter #1: Or for animals?
Reporter #3: Or for nuclear arms?
Forrest TRUMP: [narrating] They just couldn't believe that somebody would do all that running for no particular reason.
Reporter #2: Why are you doing this?
Forrest TRUMP: I just felt like running.
FWIW, I've been to the spot where Forrest stopped running. It's between Monument Valley and Mexican Hat. Incredible beauty in that area of the country.
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Regardless of what I hear or read from the American media, I have learned that they never tell the whole story. They only tell 'their' story. And I also know that as silly as he may seem, to never underestimate Trump. People have lost a lot by doing that in the past. I am willing to wait and see.
What we hear today, will not be what is being said next week. And even that will be different a month from now.
Whatever happens, they NEED better messaging.
Every time there's a shutdown it plays into the Democrats' hands, and they know it. They WANT the shutdown. It's a paid vacation for countless federal workers (a big contingency for them) and a chance to play the victim.
Besides, after they forced Obamacare upon us in 2013 even though it's the House that writes the budget bills, the Dems owe the GOP. Not that they'd concede willingly, but that's what the people need to hear.
And to think... messaging, albeit in a way that broke all the conventions of messaging, is one of the Trump administration's strengths.
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Calexit
Right after Kamala Harris becomes the Dem pick for 2020.
She will no longer be a U.S citizen....
Win!
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FWIW, I've been to the spot where Forrest stopped running. It's between Monument Valley and Mexican Hat. Incredible beauty in that area of the country.
I've seen it too.
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Why can't you see that your post is nothing but a death wish @HoustonSam ????
Trump hasn't handled this issue exactly as you wanted so you decide to cave to the dark side?
And I mean dark, beyond anything you can imagine.
Did you not read the entirety of @HoustonSam 's post? The sentence where he said he'd likely vote for Trump again?
I get it: if you're not fully on the Trump Train, then in your eyes, and those of the Trump Brigade, you're to be found on the dark side.
So tell me, now that Trump has caved on his "signature issue", where do we go from here? @Emjay
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That was a thoughtful post. I disagree with points but I understand your point of view.
Thank you @Once-Ler for your gracious reply.
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@Night Hides Not
The irony that he stops running in the middle of...nowhere.
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So ... again... why in the heck did he wait till he no loner had the majority in the House?? He should have made the push much sooner and now WE lost! WE lost big time. No wall. Illegals continue to pour across the border. I hate to see what's in store for this country once the DEMS have full control. It truly is a sad day.
Why did Trump call in the media and make such a circus??
Why didn't he call a national emergency long ago?? So many things he could have done and didn't. I continue to question why, just as I continue to ask why he appointed Rosenstein; sure seems like he did so to protect the left.
I'll be watching the SOTU ... only to hear what he will try to sell ...certainly not the wall. Perhaps he'll be announcing he's stepping down. That's just my guess.
No, I never wanted him to fail, not in the least. I still see it as he stomped on the true conservative that was running and perhaps that was his purpose ... no wall...illegal immigration is still an issue and amnesty is just around the corner... meanwhile Hillary still runs around free.
I am disgusted. The GOP had their chance and they blew it BIGLY!!!!! **nononono*
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So ... again... why in the heck did he wait till he no loner had the majority in the House?? He should have made the push much sooner and now WE lost! WE lost big time. No wall. Illegals continue to pour across the border. I hate to see what's in store for this country once the DEMS have full control. It truly is a sad day.
Why did Trump call in the media and make such a circus??
Why didn't he call a national emergency long ago?? So many things he could have done and didn't. I continue to question why, just as I continue to ask why he appointed Rosenstein; sure seems like he did so to protect the left.
I'll be watching the SOTU ... only to hear what he will try to sell ...certainly not the wall. Perhaps he'll be announcing he's stepping down. That's just my guess.
No, I never wanted him to fail, not in the least. I still see it as he stomped on the true conservative that was running and perhaps that was his purpose ... no wall...illegal immigration is still an issue and amnesty is just around the corner... meanwhile Hillary still runs around free.
I am disgusted. The GOP had their chance and they blew it BIGLY!!!!! **nononono*
It is that "snatch defeat from the jaws of victory" thing.
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Perhaps @libertybele it's because his Core Advisor Group (read: Family) never wanted a Wall.
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@Night Hides Not
The irony that he stops running in the middle of...nowhere.
LOL, that area qualifies as the "middle of nowhere." However, the star gazing at night is unbelievable.
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The Senate passed legislation Friday to end the longest government shutdown ever.
The vote sends the measure to the House, which is expected to approve it quickly. President Donald Trump pledged to sign the proposal into law Friday. The bill funds the government for three weeks, until Feb. 15, while lawmakers try to reach a wider deal on immigration.
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/25/senate-votes-to-reopen-government-and-end-shutdown-without-border-wall.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/25/senate-votes-to-reopen-government-and-end-shutdown-without-border-wall.html)
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So ... again... why in the heck did he wait till he no loner had the majority in the House?? He should have made the push much sooner and now WE lost! WE lost big time. No wall. Illegals continue to pour across the border. I hate to see what's in store for this country once the DEMS have full control. It truly is a sad day.
Why did Trump call in the media and make such a circus??
Why didn't he call a national emergency long ago?? So many things he could have done and didn't. I continue to question why, just as I continue to ask why he appointed Rosenstein; sure seems like he did so to protect the left.
I'll be watching the SOTU ... only to hear what he will try to sell ...certainly not the wall. Perhaps he'll be announcing he's stepping down. That's just my guess.
No, I never wanted him to fail, not in the least. I still see it as he stomped on the true conservative that was running and perhaps that was his purpose ... no wall...illegal immigration is still an issue and amnesty is just around the corner... meanwhile Hillary still runs around free.
I am disgusted. The GOP had their chance and they blew it BIGLY!!!!! **nononono*
I'm afraid the answer to all that is Trump and the GOP didn't really want the wall in the first place, just the issue. Now they don't even have that.
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Perhaps @libertybele it's because his Core Advisor Group (read: Family) never wanted a Wall.
pointing-up pointing-up pointing-up
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Senate just passed the bill to re-open the government.
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So ... again... why in the heck did he wait till he no loner had the majority in the House?? He should have made the push much sooner and now WE lost! WE lost big time. No wall. Illegals continue to pour across the border. I hate to see what's in store for this country once the DEMS have full control. It truly is a sad day.
Why did Trump call in the media and make such a circus??
Why didn't he call a national emergency long ago?? So many things he could have done and didn't. I continue to question why, just as I continue to ask why he appointed Rosenstein; sure seems like he did so to protect the left.
I'll be watching the SOTU ... only to hear what he will try to sell ...certainly not the wall. Perhaps he'll be announcing he's stepping down. That's just my guess.
No, I never wanted him to fail, not in the least. I still see it as he stomped on the true conservative that was running and perhaps that was his purpose ... no wall...illegal immigration is still an issue and amnesty is just around the corner... meanwhile Hillary still runs around free.
I am disgusted. The GOP had their chance and they blew it BIGLY!!!!! **nononono*
If he does his wall speech I will vomit... :3:
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Perhaps @libertybele it's because his Core Advisor Group (read: Family) never wanted a Wall.
Wait until he introduces a pet project they do like - paid family leave. Won’t that be fun?
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Senate just passed the bill to re-open the government.
It's amazing how fast they can move once they've thrown their base under the bus, eh? They could have just given Chuck and Nancy everything they wanted last month.
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Wait until he introduces a pet project they do like - paid family leave. Won’t that be fun?
He can certainly count on help from the Rats in Congress, and the RINOs in the Senate. The Rats will find a way to get on a Trump Train that's headed to their side.
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AB Stoddard on Cavuto just said Pelosi/Shumer will NEVER agree to a wall on his watch...he played his hand and folded....
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If he does his wall speech I will vomit... :3:
I'd have an extra barf bag standing by.
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AB Stoddard on Cavuto just said Pelosi/Shumer will NEVER agree to a wall on his watch...he played his hand and folded....
There are no "do overs" in Poker.
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AB Stoddard on Cavuto just said Pelosi/Shumer will NEVER agree to a wall on his watch...he played his hand and folded....
He finally got tired of all the winning. Besides, the emergency declaration was way too easy.
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AB Stoddard on Cavuto just said Pelosi/Shumer will NEVER agree to a wall on his watch...he played his hand and folded....
I agree with AB. The Wall is now a dead issue.
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No, I never wanted him to fail, not in the least. I still see it as he stomped on the true conservative that was running and perhaps that was his purpose ... no wall...illegal immigration is still an issue and amnesty is just around the corner... meanwhile Hillary still runs around free.
@libertybele
Soaring deficits, a swampier Swamp, repeal Obamacare, PP funding, restoring American pride...I'd give him failing marks for trade deals, and foreign affairs...YMMV
But the worst thing that Trump did was pit God fearing, gun loving, abortion hating, American business supporting, and rat loathing conservatives against each other.
I think Trump ran to elect Hitlery. When Trump failed the plan changed to destroying the GOP from with in.
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This IS what winning looks like. Are you sick of winning?
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I agree with AB. The Wall is now a dead issue.
He lost that when he lost the house.
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He finally got tired of all the winning. Besides, the emergency declaration was way too easy.
The Federal Courts have already proven an emergency declaration won't get the job done in time to save Trump's reelection in 2020. There will be six injunctions from Tuesday before the ink is dry on the EO. The best thing for the GOP would be if he announces his retirement, the sooner the better.
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I agree with AB. The Wall is now a dead issue.
And so is the USA as we have known it. There will be something named that but it won't remotely resemble what it was.
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He lost that when he lost the house.
That's true. This entire shutdown business just put the final dollop of paint on the "Under New Management" sign.
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Trump lost, huge. And in this instance his loss is also the country's loss.
The man who was going to drain the swamp was instead overcome by it. People can disagree about who defeated him - Pelosi, gutless Congressional Republicans, the six R Senators, the media, etc. But whoever defeated him, he was defeated on his signature issue.
Naive faith that he has a plan, he knows how to build walls, he never quits, is simply whistling past the graveyard by those who can't admit that they backed a losing horse who loudly proclaimed himself a winner.
Exactly what leverage does Trump now have to get the wall built? Yes he could make bellicose statements that he'll let the government close down in February and *keep* it closed down. But what would make the Democrats, the gutless Congressional Republicans, or the media operate any differently next time? Why would there be a different outcome?
He can still declare a national emergency, and I hope he will. But we all know that would immediately be stayed by a Federal Court. The time required for that question to work through the Federal Judiciary will occupy the remainder of his term, and there is no guarantee the Roberts-led USSC would rule in Trump's favor.
Yes, he is better than a Democrat president. Yes, he has put two Constitutionalists on the USSC. Yes, he has taken a clear position against regulation. Yes, the market boomed after his election. But his signature issue, the reason he ran, was The Wall and he lost it. It is now proven empirically that he is not capable of doing what he said, and what many believed, he could do.
If he runs again I'll most likely vote for him, but my bet is that his administration is essentially finished.
That is a great post @HoustonSam . I agree from start to finish.
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What we saw today...was the result of Chuck and Nancy thumbing through their well worn copies of Rules for Radicals and happening upon Rule #11:
"If you push a negative hard and deep enough it will break through into its counterside."
#12:
"The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative."
and #13:
"Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it."
The GOP needs to realize there are only two sets of guidelines that the Dems use to reign down "utopia" on our heads...Rules for Radicals and The Communist Manifesto. And they whip our @ss using those two books as guides....every single time.
When it comes to politics...The GOP out there trying to do some advanced triangulation mixed with some advanced calculus to find the square root of X.
It's not that hard to beat them if we remember one simple undeniable truth...
Conservatism wins every time it's tried.
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Instead of focusing on the wall, why can’t the focus be on why they are coming here in the first place? Handouts, pure and simple. Stop the handouts. Stop free medical, stop free schooling, stop their filing for IRS credits. Go after companies hiring un E-verified employees. Dry up their ability to live off the government tit. Go after identity theft. Dry up all the money sources for illegal aliens.
That has been my thought for years. But I think the politickin' gets in the way of a common sense solution. The only thing I would add is do whatever is necessary to end anchor babies.
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It's not that hard to beat them if we remember one simple undeniable truth...
Conservatism wins every time it's tried.
I laugh every time Rush pushes that pablum. Fact Check #1. Trump is the President.
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Actually a lot of the sites really are. Has anybody ever seen 3 Full House on the table? Or 3 Four of a Kind? Some of those games are insane. You pop 4 Kings and some bot pulls out 4 Aces. The odds of that are infinite.
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I laugh every time Rush pushes that pablum. Fact Check #1. Trump is the President.
Reagan is proof that statement is true...it isn't "pablum"...we haven't had a truly conservative President since Regan left office.
His track record on the economy and what he did to bring this country from the brink after 4 years of Carter is undeniable. The effects of his economic polices alone carried into the Clinton and Bush 43 presidencies.
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That has been my thought for years. But I think the politickin' gets in the way of a common sense solution. The only thing I would add is do whatever is necessary to end anchor babies.
@berdie
As I said earlier on this thread, fixing the illegal immigration problem is easy. Finding ANYONE in government with the intestinal fortitude to do it is damned near impossible!
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Reagan is proof that statement is true...it isn't "pablum"...we haven't had a truly conservative President since Regan left office.
His track record on the economy and what he did to bring this country from the brink after 4 years of Carter is undeniable. The effects of his economic polices alone carried into the Clinton and Bush 43 presidencies.
So did his immigration policies.
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The Federal Courts have already proven an emergency declaration won't get the job done in time to save Trump's reelection in 2020. There will be six injunctions from Tuesday before the ink is dry on the EO. The best thing for the GOP would be if he announces his retirement, the sooner the better.
Oh, I know it would get bogged down. DACA and the travel ban have demonstrated that. I was being dry and mocking what he’s said and the fact some here think SCOTUS would let that case jump the appeals process and rule on in within weeks.
Sorry... (http://youtube.com/watch?v=9zSsVup4SbY#)
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Oh, I know it would get bogged down. DACA and the travel ban have demonstrated that. I was being dry and mocking what he’s said and the fact some here think SCOTUS would let that case jump the appeals process and rule on in within weeks.
Sorry... (http://youtube.com/watch?v=9zSsVup4SbY#)
Maybe if some Congresscritter's wives start getting gang-raped by MS-13 types, things will change. But fat chance of that since they all live comfortably in their gated communities.
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@berdie
As I said earlier on this thread, fixing the illegal immigration problem is easy. Finding ANYONE in government with the intestinal fortitude to do it is damned near impossible!
Very sad and very true. I have given up hope. It's going to be a real tough road going forward, I fear for my kids and grandkids.
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yogi555
@libertybele
Soaring deficits, a swampier Swamp, repeal Obamacare, PP funding, restoring American pride...I'd give him failing marks for trade deals, and foreign affairs...YMMV
But the worst thing that Trump did was pit God fearing, gun loving, abortion hating, American business supporting, and rat loathing conservatives against each other.
I think Trump ran to elect Hitlery. When Trump failed the plan changed to destroying the GOP from with in.
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This IS what winning looks like. Are you sick of winning?
Yep and don't forget all the good God fearing Conservatives he has fooled and taken advantage of ...
I for one am not a gloating NT I am really quite sorry for this
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Very sad and very true. I have given up hope. It's going to be a real tough road going forward, I fear for my kids and grandkids.
Maybe if MS-13 gang rapes some of those Congress-critter loved ones things will change. But they get to live in gated communities.
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Very sad and very true. I have given up hope. It's going to be a real tough road going forward, I fear for my kids and grandkids.
Don't give up hope. The Democrats and their cohorts in the media can take a victory lap, but they, in reality, have gotten nothing. Absolutely nothing.
All the President agreed to was a three week intermission.
I'm a bit relieved he'll be free to leave the WH, travel, clear his head and meet face-to-face with advisors and friends outside the Washington bubble.
Round two begins in three weeks.
Gird your loins. happy77
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"You can't con people, at least not for long. You can create excitement, you can do wonderful promotion and get all kinds of press, and you can throw in a little hyperbole. But if you don't deliver the goods, people will eventually catch on ...â€
The Art Of The Deal
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"You can't con people, at least not for long. You can create excitement, you can do wonderful promotion and get all kinds of press, and you can throw in a little hyperbole. But if you don't deliver the goods, people will eventually catch on ...â€
The Art Of The Deal
@edpc hope you don't mind that I borrowed your post and put it up over here:
https://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3722907/posts?q=1&;page=101 (https://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3722907/posts?q=1&;page=101)
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Don't give up hope. The Democrats and their cohorts in the media can take a victory lap, but they, in reality, have gotten nothing. Absolutely nothing.
All the President agreed to was a three week intermission.
I'm a bit relieved he'll be free to leave the WH, travel, clear his head and meet face-to-face with advisors and friends outside the Washington bubble.
Round two begins in three weeks.
Gird your loins. happy77
You make interesting points. After all that travel and head-clearing he'll return to DeeCee to find even more confident opponents than the pre-caving Pelosi and Schumer. Next time they'll be in an even better trench, and laughing even harder when he fails us.
Again.
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@edpc hope you don't mind that I borrowed your post and put it up over here:
https://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3722907/posts?q=1&;page=101 (https://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3722907/posts?q=1&;page=101)
Funny comment from JimRob about "next time" he "must play hardball"... Next time... Wow...
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Words on a website are just words. They are like 'organic' labels on produce- almost meaningless other than to attract a target market.
I'm not talking about words. I'm talking about their actions in the Texas legislature.
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Don't give up hope. The Democrats and their cohorts in the media can take a victory lap, but they, in reality, have gotten nothing. Absolutely nothing.
All the President agreed to was a three week intermission.
I'm a bit relieved he'll be free to leave the WH, travel, clear his head and meet face-to-face with advisors and friends outside the Washington bubble.
Round two begins in three weeks.
Gird your loins. happy77
I hate to break this to you @Right_in_Virginia but it's not just the Democrats who are the problem here. The fact is that most every member of congress on both sides of the asile are OWNED by K Street and K Street doesn't want the illegal problem fixed or even addressed in any serious way.
That is unvarnished truth of the matter!
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Texit.
Now it's the only way to go.
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I hate to break this to you @Right_in_Virginia but it's not just the Democrats who are the problem here. The fact is that most every member of congress on both sides of the asile are OWNED by K Street and K Street doesn't want the illegal problem fixed or even addressed in any serious way.
That is unvarnished truth of the matter!
I know @Bigun But I expect the President will continue to do what he's been doing ... and fight. It's how he's wired and who he is.
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And so is the USA as we have known it. There will be something named that but it won't remotely resemble what it was.
I agree. The country is gone. And I find it despicable that NT are celebrating.
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I agree. The country is gone. And I find it despicable that NT are celebrating.
Nobody here is celebrating.
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I agree. The country is gone. And I find it despicable that NT are celebrating.
Who's that?
Trump folding is a we told you so, not a celebration. A warning not to elect con men. Briefly I thought he found some courage but I was wrong.
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Who's that?
Trump folding is a we told you so, not a celebration. A warning not to elect con men. Briefly I thought he found some courage but I was wrong.
Oh yeah, like there really was an alternative.
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Nobody here is celebrating.
BS! I can name a half dozen here who are dancing with glee and popping champagne corks if you would like!
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I hate to break this to you @Right_in_Virginia but it's not just the Democrats who are the problem here. The fact is that most every member of congress on both sides of the asile are OWNED by K Street and K Street doesn't want the illegal problem fixed or even addressed in any serious way.
That is unvarnished truth of the matter!
Watch the stock market take a huge leap forward Monday. Too bad congress critters can't take advantage of that.
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Watch the stock market take a huge leap forward Monday. Too bad congress critters can't take advantage of that.
Yep Big Business loves them some cheap labor.
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Watch the stock market take a huge leap forward Monday. Too bad congress critters can't take advantage of that.
Are you sh*ting me? They will be first in line!
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Oh yeah, like there really was an alternative.
You mean like doing what he said he was gonna do?
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Oh yeah, like there really was an alternative.
There was before "conservatives" ran off following a carnival barker with a long history of being the opposite of what he claimed.
It was "THE WALL!" over and over... No reason or history mattered... THE WALL!
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BS! I can name a half dozen here who are dancing with glee and popping champagne corks if you would like!
Go for it.
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Are you sh*ting me? They will be first in line!
I thought it sarcastic enough to not add the tag. :shrug:
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Nancy Pelosi expresses her gratefulness to President Trump:
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,349165.0.html (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,349165.0.html)
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More Glee!
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Go for it.
:2popcorn:
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@edpc hope you don't mind that I borrowed your post and put it up over here:
https://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3722907/posts?q=1&;page=101 (https://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3722907/posts?q=1&;page=101)
LOL
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Hannity defends Trump on shutdown: 'He's going to' get money for border wall
By Owen Daugherty - 01/25/19 06:00 PM EST
Fox News host Sean Hannity on Friday defended President Trump’s decision to reopen the government without securing money for his border wall, insisting that Trump is still “going to†get money for the wall.
Speaking on his radio show after Trump made the announcement at the White House, Hannity took a wait-and-see approach to news that Trump agreed to a three-week funding deal without money for a border wall.
“Some of you say ‘He didn’t get any money for the wall,'†Hannity said on his radio show in a clip first reported by Mediaite. “No he didn’t, but he’s going to.â€
Hannity noted that the deal Trump accepted Friday had been in the works for weeks, and that Democrats have been “begging to get an opportunity to fix the problem.â€
Trump proposed a deal last week that included offering to extend protections for Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) recipients and some Temporary Protection (TPS) status holders in exchange for $5.7 billion for a border wall, though the proposal was quickly rejected by Democrats.
“The left-wing media will say it’s a win,†Hannity said of Friday's deal to reopen for three weeks the quarter of the government that has been closed since Dec. 22.
But he noted that Trump could allow another shutdown when the deadline arrives next month, or if a deal does not emerge he could declare a national emergency to circumvent Congress to build a wall, as the president suggested Friday.
“I think the president also kind of has a heart,†Hannity said. “He knows that this is tough on a lot of the furloughed workers.â€
Hannity has been one of Trump's fiercest defenders and allies throughout his time in the White House, even appearing on stage at a rally with Trump before the November midterm elections
https://thehill.com/homenews/media/427058-hannity-sticks-with-trump-amid-blowback-over-shutdown-deal-hes-going-to-get
Hypocrite...just yesterday you were telling Trump to stay the course and not back down...Hannity is the one Trump was referring to when he said he could murder someone in Times Square and get away with it....
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Hannity defends Trump on shutdown: 'He's going to' get money for border wall
By Owen Daugherty - 01/25/19 06:00 PM EST
Fox News host Sean Hannity on Friday defended President Trump’s decision to reopen the government without securing money for his border wall, insisting that Trump is still “going to†get money for the wall.
Speaking on his radio show after Trump made the announcement at the White House, Hannity took a wait-and-see approach to news that Trump agreed to a three-week funding deal without money for a border wall.
“Some of you say ‘He didn’t get any money for the wall,'†Hannity said on his radio show in a clip first reported by Mediaite. “No he didn’t, but he’s going to.â€
Hannity noted that the deal Trump accepted Friday had been in the works for weeks, and that Democrats have been “begging to get an opportunity to fix the problem.â€
Trump proposed a deal last week that included offering to extend protections for Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) recipients and some Temporary Protection (TPS) status holders in exchange for $5.7 billion for a border wall, though the proposal was quickly rejected by Democrats.
“The left-wing media will say it’s a win,†Hannity said of Friday's deal to reopen for three weeks the quarter of the government that has been closed since Dec. 22.
But he noted that Trump could allow another shutdown when the deadline arrives next month, or if a deal does not emerge he could declare a national emergency to circumvent Congress to build a wall, as the president suggested Friday.
“I think the president also kind of has a heart,†Hannity said. “He knows that this is tough on a lot of the furloughed workers.â€
Hannity has been one of Trump's fiercest defenders and allies throughout his time in the White House, even appearing on stage at a rally with Trump before the November midterm elections
https://thehill.com/homenews/media/427058-hannity-sticks-with-trump-amid-blowback-over-shutdown-deal-hes-going-to-get
Hypocrite...just yesterday you were telling Trump to stay the course and not back down...Hannity is the one Trump was referring to when he said he could murder someone in Times Square and get away with it....
Color me shocked...
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Hannity defends Trump on shutdown: 'He's going to' get money for border wall
By Owen Daugherty - 01/25/19 06:00 PM EST
Fox News host Sean Hannity on Friday defended President Trump’s decision to reopen the government without securing money for his border wall, insisting that Trump is still “going to†get money for the wall.
Speaking on his radio show after Trump made the announcement at the White House, Hannity took a wait-and-see approach to news that Trump agreed to a three-week funding deal without money for a border wall.
“Some of you say ‘He didn’t get any money for the wall,'†Hannity said on his radio show in a clip first reported by Mediaite. “No he didn’t, but he’s going to.â€
Hannity noted that the deal Trump accepted Friday had been in the works for weeks, and that Democrats have been “begging to get an opportunity to fix the problem.â€
Trump proposed a deal last week that included offering to extend protections for Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) recipients and some Temporary Protection (TPS) status holders in exchange for $5.7 billion for a border wall, though the proposal was quickly rejected by Democrats.
“The left-wing media will say it’s a win,†Hannity said of Friday's deal to reopen for three weeks the quarter of the government that has been closed since Dec. 22.
But he noted that Trump could allow another shutdown when the deadline arrives next month, or if a deal does not emerge he could declare a national emergency to circumvent Congress to build a wall, as the president suggested Friday.
“I think the president also kind of has a heart,†Hannity said. “He knows that this is tough on a lot of the furloughed workers.â€
Hannity has been one of Trump's fiercest defenders and allies throughout his time in the White House, even appearing on stage at a rally with Trump before the November midterm elections
https://thehill.com/homenews/media/427058-hannity-sticks-with-trump-amid-blowback-over-shutdown-deal-hes-going-to-get
Hypocrite...just yesterday you were telling Trump to stay the course and not back down...Hannity is the one Trump was referring to when he said he could murder someone in Times Square and get away with it....
You know the drill... Whatever Trump does, even the opposite of what he said the day before, is a brilliant move towards Republican goals... I really don't know how far they can go down that road but we're well on our way to finding out... It won't end well period.
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This announcement also blends well with one of THEE most important events of the year.
Tax Season.
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Color me shocked...
This is one of the main reasons why I don't like Talk Radio as much as I used to.
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This is one of the main reasons why I don't like Talk Radio as much as I used to.
Because it is all talk?
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Go for it.
@Once-Ler @corbe @Victoria33 #Montanajoe @ABX @Applewood @kevindavis
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@Once-Ler @corbe @Victoria33 #Montanajoe @ABX @Applewood @kevindavis
I'll give you a Once-Ler as a possible but not the others. Do you have any quotes from the others to say that?
All I see is a confirmation of what they expected Trump to do and hoping he wouldn't. That's not popping the cork celebrating.
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Unfortunately @Bigun You're not the first to point out that I'm the strange Uncle that laughs during Funerals.
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Unfortunately @Bigun You're not the first to point out that I'm the strange Uncle that laughs during Funerals.
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@RoosGirl said: "Seems there's only one way forward for that to happen now and it's iffy given the lawsuits that will be filed to stop it. There's no way anything is getting built in the next 2 years, and if it doesn't get built in 2 years it's likely there won't be an additional 4 years in which to try."
@Cyber Liberty said, "You nailed it! No progress on the wall in the next year or so, and there won't be another four years for Trump. If he insists on running in 2020, we'll have a Rat President inaugurated in 2021."
I believe the above is what will happen. Trump will declare an emergency, then use eminent domain and take property from owners whose land ends at the water. The owners will go to court and no work can start until each case is settled or the wall would be on one piece of land that eminent domain got, then skip so much border that isn't settled yet, go to the next piece that is settled, etc. OR nothing will happen on any piece until it is ALL settled. As presidents come and go, the fight will continue, using eminent domain, different presidents using their executive orders, etc., and the wall never happens.
OR, the wall is finished six months from now. ????
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Did anybody really ever think there would be a wall? I mean, yeah, it would have been great, but Trump was never serious.
Besides, Texans will tell you it couldn't be done anyway. Hell, Humblegunner used to try to tell people the border down there wasn't suited to a wall, but nobody wanted to hear it.
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Bush was the face of incompetence. Worse then that he got a hell of a lot of people killed for nothing.
@Amb. Frank Cannon
Be fair, Bush screwed up I agree, but he had lots of help from both sides of the aisle, especially the PUBS spending like drunken sailors and Bush rubber stamping it. Hey just like Deja Vu all over again isn't it?
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Did anybody really ever think there would be a wall? I mean, yeah, it would have been great, but Trump was never serious.
Besides, Texans will tell you it couldn't be done anyway. Hell, Humblegunner used to try to tell people the border down there wasn't suited to a wall, but nobody wanted to hear it.
Lol!!!
Welcome back!
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Did anybody really ever think there would be a wall? I mean, yeah, it would have been great, but Trump was never serious.
Besides, Texans will tell you it couldn't be done anyway. Hell, Humblegunner used to try to tell people the border down there wasn't suited to a wall, but nobody wanted to hear it.
@QueenCatofAragon
Is this you?
I mean, are you back?
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Did anybody really ever think there would be a wall? I mean, yeah, it would have been great, but Trump was never serious.
Besides, Texans will tell you it couldn't be done anyway. Hell, Humblegunner used to try to tell people the border down there wasn't suited to a wall, but nobody wanted to hear it.
None of them are serious about the ills that ail this country. "Fixing" it is what they are all about.
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Did anybody really ever think there would be a wall? I mean, yeah, it would have been great, but Trump was never serious.
Besides, Texans will tell you it couldn't be done anyway. Hell, Humblegunner used to try to tell people the border down there wasn't suited to a wall, but nobody wanted to hear it.
We could have used one in AZ.
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Welcome to TBR @QueenCatofAragon I do hope you are a reincarnation of OUR Catherine, if not you have some pretty big shoes to fill.
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Did anybody really ever think there would be a wall? I mean, yeah, it would have been great, but Trump was never serious.
Besides, Texans will tell you it couldn't be done anyway. Hell, Humblegunner used to try to tell people the border down there wasn't suited to a wall, but nobody wanted to hear it.
True, there are many places it is not needed, Big Bend cliffs, etc.
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@QueenCatofAragon
Is this you?
I mean, are you back?
@GrouchoTex
Yeah, it's me, how are you doing? :beer:
For now, I guess. I got fed up with being asked if I was a liberal by people I actually like. The husband asked why I kept staying, and he had a point. So I took off for Twitter where politics is equally as stupid but you can throw it back without being banned.
I told Myst to delete my account so I wouldn't be tempted, but that clearly didn't work. What the hell.
Did @Emjay miss me?
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Welcome to TBR @QueenCatofAragon I do hope you are a reincarnation of OUR Catherine, if not you have some pretty big shoes to fill.
It's her..my fav Queen has returned
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Welcome to TBR @QueenCatofAragon I do hope you are a reincarnation of OUR Catherine, if not you have some pretty big shoes to fill.
@corbe
I hear you could use some backup in the NT camp. Not that I really am, but might as well live up to my reputation.
Missed you! 0052
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It's her..my fav Queen has returned
@mystery-ak
So much for being gone permanently, lol. I could have saved you a deletion.
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@GrouchoTex
Yeah, it's me, how are you doing? :beer:
For now, I guess. I got fed up with being asked if I was a liberal by people I actually like. The husband asked why I kept staying, and he had a point. So I took off for Twitter where politics is equally as stupid but you can throw it back without being banned.
I told Myst to delete my account so I wouldn't be tempted, but that clearly didn't work. What the hell.
Did @Emjay miss me?
LOL,
She may have.
:beer:
Weird, but the more things change....
Today, we all love Hillary again if we don't agree with this backing down from Pelosi thing.
It will subside.
Other than that, all is well.
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@Emjay missed you @QueenCatofAragon , just a couple of hours ago she said she was leaving because some of us don't like Trump.
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LOL,
She may have.
:beer:
Weird, but the more things change....
Today, we all love Hillary again if we don't agree with this backing down from Pelosi thing.
It will subside.
Other than that, all is well.
@GrouchoTex
I see JimRob is still keeping the Trump faith. I guess so---doing a 180 yet again would be too embarrassing, lol.
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@Emjay missed you @QueenCatofAragon , just a couple of hours ago she said she was leaving because some of us don't like Trump.
@corbe
Well, I see she's been posting a little at TOS, so I guess she'll have some people of like mind to talk to. Guess she got over being run out on rail.
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@mystery-ak
So much for being gone permanently, lol. I could have saved you a deletion.
Want your old name back?
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@Emjay missed you @QueenCatofAragon , just a couple of hours ago she said she was leaving because some of us don't like Trump.
She left again?.....didn't say I didn't like Trump..I am pissed at him. bigly
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@GrouchoTex
I see JimRob is still keeping the Trump faith. I guess so---doing a 180 yet again would be too embarrassing, lol.
I wandered over there after @txradioguy posted a line from the Art of the Deal.
It was fun, for a minute.......
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@corbe
Well, I see she's been posting a little at TOS, so I guess she'll have some people of like mind to talk to. Guess she got over being run out on rail.
YAY! You’re back!
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Want your old name back?
Weird.
Is that like "I'll take What is a Divorce for $1,000, Alex"
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@GrouchoTex
Yeah, it's me, how are you doing? :beer:
For now, I guess. I got fed up with being asked if I was a liberal by people I actually like. The husband asked why I kept staying, and he had a point. So I took off for Twitter where politics is equally as stupid but you can throw it back without being banned.
I told Myst to delete my account so I wouldn't be tempted, but that clearly didn't work. What the hell.
Did @Emjay miss me?
Welcome back!
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I'm going to say it again... I also miss @INVAR .
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I'm going to say it again... I also miss @INVAR .
And @Wingnut as well.
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I do too @DB @INVAR is also a Gem.
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@QueenCatofAragon
mee-ow
Sorry... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dax41c8iGQc#)
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Want your old name back?
@mystery-ak
I'm kind of liking this one, lol.
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Hannity defends Trump on shutdown: 'He's going to' get money for border wall
By Owen Daugherty - 01/25/19 06:00 PM EST
Fox News host Sean Hannity on Friday defended President Trump’s decision to reopen the government without securing money for his border wall, insisting that Trump is still “going to†get money for the wall.
Speaking on his radio show after Trump made the announcement at the White House, Hannity took a wait-and-see approach to news that Trump agreed to a three-week funding deal without money for a border wall.
“Some of you say ‘He didn’t get any money for the wall,'†Hannity said on his radio show in a clip first reported by Mediaite. “No he didn’t, but he’s going to.â€
Hannity noted that the deal Trump accepted Friday had been in the works for weeks, and that Democrats have been “begging to get an opportunity to fix the problem.â€
Trump proposed a deal last week that included offering to extend protections for Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) recipients and some Temporary Protection (TPS) status holders in exchange for $5.7 billion for a border wall, though the proposal was quickly rejected by Democrats.
“The left-wing media will say it’s a win,†Hannity said of Friday's deal to reopen for three weeks the quarter of the government that has been closed since Dec. 22.
But he noted that Trump could allow another shutdown when the deadline arrives next month, or if a deal does not emerge he could declare a national emergency to circumvent Congress to build a wall, as the president suggested Friday.
“I think the president also kind of has a heart,†Hannity said. “He knows that this is tough on a lot of the furloughed workers.â€
Hannity has been one of Trump's fiercest defenders and allies throughout his time in the White House, even appearing on stage at a rally with Trump before the November midterm elections
https://thehill.com/homenews/media/427058-hannity-sticks-with-trump-amid-blowback-over-shutdown-deal-hes-going-to-get
Hypocrite...just yesterday you were telling Trump to stay the course and not back down...Hannity is the one Trump was referring to when he said he could murder someone in Times Square and get away with it....
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I wandered over there after @txradioguy posted a line from the Art of the Deal.
It was fun, for a minute.......
@GrouchoTex
Same here, you start worrying it's contagious.
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BS! I can name a half dozen here who are dancing with glee and popping champagne corks if you would like!
Yep!
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YAY! You’re back!
@txradioguy
Dude! Good to see you :beer:
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@mystery-ak
So much for being gone permanently, lol. I could have saved you a deletion.
@QueenCatofAragon Bout damn time you got back here.
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I'm going to say it again... I also miss @INVAR .
hmmmm....
Last Active: Today at 02:39:48 PM
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:silly: :silly:
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True, there are many places it is not needed, Big Bend cliffs, etc.
The Texas border has plenty of places that could use a wall and some that already have parts of one.
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hmmmm....
Last Active: Today at 02:39:48 PM
His last post was November 26, 2018.
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Hey @INVAR Come on in.
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Come on..let's not go there
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Come on..let's not go there
Exactly. Sean's been there enough.
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@QueenCatofAragon
mee-ow
Sorry... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dax41c8iGQc#)
@bigheadfred
With a gift
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@QueenCatofAragon Bout damn time you got back here.
@RoosGirl
Damn glutton for punishment, I can't ever complain again.
And hey, you!
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Donald J. Trump
â€Verified account @realDonaldTrump
28m28 minutes ago
I wish people would read or listen to my words on the Border Wall. This was in no way a concession. It was taking care of millions of people who were getting badly hurt by the Shutdown with the understanding that in 21 days, if no deal is done, it’s off to the races!
I don't want to believe you anymore...you should have done an EO to begin with.
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She left again?.....didn't say I didn't like Trump..I am pissed at him. bigly
This was likely forced by air traffic controllers shutting down airports. Trump, belatedly, acted like the adult in the room and realized the games had to end. Let it be known that Pelosi was hardly overwhelmed with concern; her gloating proves she was callous to the damage her f*ck-off stance had on ordinary people.
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This was likely forced by air traffic controllers shutting down airports. Trump, belatedly, acted like the adult in the room and realized the games had to end. Let it be known that Pelosi was hardly overwhelmed with concern; her gloating proves she was callous to the damage her f*ck-off stance had on ordinary people.
Reagan knew what to do with rogue air traffic controllers.
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I don't want to believe you anymore...you should have done an EO to begin with.
Mr. President, the time for talk has long passed.
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I wandered over there after @txradioguy posted a line from the Art of the Deal.
It was fun, for a minute.......
@GrouchoTex @edpc
LOL!
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I don't want to believe you anymore...you should have done an EO to begin with.
Oh, spare me the pearl clutching. Trump is still the President, you know. Pelosi can preen and gloat, but Trump has to deal with shut airports and stalled businesses and real hardship visited on folks who work and contract with government for their livelihoods.
Sure, he miscalculated on the degree of Pelosi's assholery. But a tactical retreat can set the stage for later victory. It does no good to judge Trump for recognizing, in the face of his responsibilities, that dying on a hill serves the interests of entertainers like Rush Limbaugh and provocateurs like Ann Coulter, not the people who elected him, people who actually work for a living.
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Reagan knew what to do with rogue air traffic controllers.
Are you seriously suggesting Trump should have fired the air traffic controllers? Are you mad?
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I don't want to believe you anymore...you should have done an EO to begin with.
"Off to the races?" Trump better get a new car...
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@bigheadfred
With a gift
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Queen Cat...that made me lol!!
Don't change your new name. I like it...wish I had thought of it myself. Have you ever heard the Tanya Tucker song "I'll Come Back As Another Woman"?
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Oh, spare me the pearl clutching. Trump is still the President, you know. Pelosi can preen and gloat, but Trump has to deal with shut airports and stalled businesses and real hardship visited on folks who work and contract with government for their livelihoods.
Sure, he miscalculated on the degree of Pelosi's assholery. But a tactical retreat can set the stage for later victory. It does no good to judge Trump for recognizing, in the face of his responsibilities, that dying on a hill serves the interests of entertainers like Rush Limbaugh and provocateurs like Ann Coulter, not the people who elected him, people who actually work for a living.
Spare me the Melodrama @Jazzhead he televised to the World from the Oval Office a month ago that he, and He alone, would 'take the Mantle' for the Govt shutdown and started blaming the dems 3 days later, right now it is Dems: 2, Trump 0 counting the SOTU.
I'm glad he wasn't an Artillery Officer in the US Army.
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@RoosGirl
Damn glutton for punishment, I can't ever complain again.
And hey, you!
HI HI HI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am SO SO glad to see you!!!! :cheerlead: :cheerlead: :cheerlead: :cheerlead:
@QueenCatofAragon
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@GrouchoTex @edpc
LOL!
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What thread was pulled? Obviously, they're really into that censorship BS....
still.
**nononono*
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What thread was pulled? Obviously, they're really into that censorship BS....
still.
**nononono*
There's been plenty of posts critical of Trump that haven't gotten pulled.
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There's been plenty of posts critical of Trump that haven't gotten pulled.
So what was pulled... and why?
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@Once-Ler @corbe @Victoria33 #Montanajoe @ABX @Applewood @kevindavis
@Bigun
Damm, I'm glad at least someone here recognizes I'm a NeverTrumper, I was wounded deeply when it was suggested I was so nice that the folks here never noticed... happy77
As I've stated from the beginning of the 2016 primary season Trump is a grifter who has used the righteous frustration of so many in this country to stoke his ego...
He cares nothing about the Country because he doesn't know the Country, from the day he was born his family wealth has assured he would only be surrounded by folks on his payroll. If they did not agree with him they were gone, I've worked for folks like that as I suspect many have...
Trump's failure today is a failure for Conservatives but more importantly a failure for the Country, to suggest those who fundamentally disagree with Trump are gleeful because he failed, like we knew he would, is certainly not something anyone calling themselves Conservative could possibly be happy for... :shrug:
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Good Post @montanajoe but you're still an azzhole. wink777
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HI HI HI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am SO SO glad to see you!!!! :cheerlead: :cheerlead: :cheerlead: :cheerlead:
@QueenCatofAragon
@musiclady
Thank you!! I missed you, too!
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Oh, spare me the pearl clutching. Trump is still the President, you know. Pelosi can preen and gloat, but Trump has to deal with shut airports and stalled businesses and real hardship visited on folks who work and contract with government for their livelihoods.
Sure, he miscalculated on the degree of Pelosi's assholery. But a tactical retreat can set the stage for later victory. It does no good to judge Trump for recognizing, in the face of his responsibilities, that dying on a hill serves the interests of entertainers like Rush Limbaugh and provocateurs like Ann Coulter, not the people who elected him, people who actually work for a living.
Pearl clutching....how did you know pearls were my birthstone..I wear some sort of pearls everyday....and I don't clutch them.
You're breaking my heart...talk about preening..Trump should not have gloated and promised for 3 weeks how he was going to win this standoff...the biggest losers were 800k people who had to endure this madness brought on my him and his naivety in politics
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@Bigun
Damm, I'm glad at least someone here recognizes I'm a NeverTrumper, I was wounded deeply when it was suggested I was so nice that the folks here never noticed... happy77
As I've stated from the beginning of the 2016 primary season Trump is a grifter who has used the righteous frustration of so many in this country to stoke his ego...
He cares nothing about the Country because he doesn't know the Country, from the day he was born his family wealth has assured he would only be surrounded by folks on his payroll. If they did not agree with him they were gone, I've worked for folks like that as I suspect many have...
Trump's failure today is a failure for Conservatives but more importantly a failure for the Country, to suggest those who fundamentally disagree with Trump are gleeful because he failed, like we knew he would, is certainly not something anyone calling themselves Conservative could possibly be happy for... :shrug:
I knew Trump was going to be a 'Hail Mary Pass', but I figured it was our only shot, either he was going to succeed, or turn out to be like you said he'd be, or he'd be well-intentioned, but the Establishment in both parties would sabotage him.
I still think it was worth the risk in the end, and it could still work out. These next few weeks will be critical. But I will say, even if Trump is considered a failure, he still planted some seeds that may ultimately bear fruit, even if it's after he's out of office.
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What thread was pulled? Obviously, they're really into that censorship BS....
still.
**nononono*
Yup JimRob pulled it himself. His reason is kinda funny and childish at the same time.
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I knew Trump was going to be a 'Hail Mary Pass', but I figured it was our only shot, either he was going to succeed, or turn out to be like you said he'd be, or he'd be well-intentioned, but the Establishment in both parties would sabotage him.
I still think it was worth the risk in the end, and it could still work out. These next few weeks will be critical. But I will say, even if Trump is considered a failure, he still planted some seeds that may ultimately bear fruit, even if it's after he's out of office.
Seeds like what? Care to elaborate?
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Yup JimRob pulled it himself. His reason is kinda funny and childish at the same time.
I'm still trying to find out why he pulled it. What reason did he call it garbage? :shrug:
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I'm still trying to find out why he pulled it. What reason did he call it garbage? :shrug:
@XenaLee he's calling it garbage because like here...there were people saying Trump caved. The thread wasn't a continuation of Hannity's spin job on his radio show this afternoon...not enough fawning posts like our own LegalAmerican happening after 165+ posts so he shut it down.
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Good Post @montanajoe but you're still an azzhole. wink777
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@XenaLee he's calling it garbage because like here...there were people saying Trump caved. The thread wasn't a continuation of Hannity's spin job on his radio show this afternoon...not enough fawning posts like our own LegalAmerican happening after 165+ posts so he shut it down.
Holy crap. Soooo glad that BS was left behind there, and isn't here. Thank God. :0001:
No such thing as freedom of speech, tolerance of differing opinions and presenting opposing views there.... very totalitarian in nature...and thus, very damned leftist, IMO.
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@Sanguine Trump making a decision to end the shutdown, which, rightly or wrongly, was hurting his cause is not going along to get along.
It's living to fight another day. I think Trump rightly decided he could get nothing done during a shut down.
It is totally in our interest to support Trump, even if we don't like him and even if we disagree with some things he does.
He is our border, our boundary against the truly evil people on the other side.
Sorry, @Emjay, he's going to have to prove it now. He screwed up bigly, perhaps fatally.
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Holy crap. Soooo glad that BS was left behind there, and isn't here. Thank God. :0001:
No such thing as freedom of speech, tolerance of differing opinions and presenting opposing views there.... very totalitarian in nature...and thus, very damned leftist, IMO.
@XenaLee
That's my first time dipping my toe back into any political discussion there since I got my soft ban for sticking up for Mark Levin in the Levin Lounge back in 2016. I'm surprised it wasn't reinstated after that one single post.
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Joe Pags said Trump's already done a lot of good, some of us have his back. Others are gloating as if a great failure occurred, we will see.
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@XenaLee
That's my first time dipping my toe back into any political discussion there since I got my soft ban for sticking up for Mark Levin in the Levin Lounge back in 2016. I'm surprised it wasn't reinstated after that one single post.
Yeah.... for some reason, I haven't even been tempted to post again there.... despite peeking in to see what's up. That's not normally "like me"...lolol.
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Joe Pags said Trump's already done a lot of good, some of us have his back. Others are gloating as if a great failure occurred, we will see.
His promise about the wall was the cornerstone of what got him elected. He's caved. It IS a great failure.
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The prevalence of I told you so's today (mine included) being confused with 'Glee' in this Great loss for our Country we all just experienced reflects truly on you Trumpers always just blaming someone else for your problems.
It's SAD really.
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Joe Pags said Trump's already done a lot of good, some of us have his back. Others are gloating as if a great failure occurred, we will see.
Not gonna fly, @TomSea. For many of us, the border is and was the existential issue. Sure looks like he blew it.
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Joe Pags said Trump's already done a lot of good, some of us have his back. Others are gloating as if a great failure occurred, we will see.
I hope he gets this done, but I fear that window may be closing.
As a resident of a border state, border security is a paramount concern of mine.
Not gloating, but I am disappointed.
Seems to have started a bit of an AT/NT flame war again.
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@GrouchoTex
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I hope he gets this done, but I fear that window may be closing.
As a resident of a border state, border security is a paramount concern of mine.
Not gloating, but I am disappointed.
Seems to have started a bit of an AT/NT flame war again.
What I've wondered is why they didn't get this done when they had a house majority, someone dropped the ball and they should have gotten even some of the middle of road Senate Republicans to vote for it (Murkowski, Collins, etc.)
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Not gonna fly, @TomSea. For many of us, the border is and was the existential issue. Sure looks like he blew it.
We'll see in February, Trump's a genius, now, there's no way but only the Democrats can take the blame then. @Sanguine
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@GrouchoTex
Me too, I admit.
I just couldn't stomach being called a Hillary- loving NT today, when I actually wanted better security along the border.
I'm not the one who didn't get that done.
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We'll see in February, Trump's a genius, now, there's no way but only the Democrats can take the blame then. @Sanguine
We will see, and I will be ecstatic to eat my words if I'm proven wrong. Unfortunately, I don't think I will be, and I'm really disappointed.
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What I've wondered is why they didn't get this done when they had a house majority, someone dropped the ball and they should have gotten even some of the middle of road Senate Republicans to vote for it (Murkowski, Collins, etc.)
@TomSea
You are not the only one asking that question today.
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Reagan is proof that statement is true...it isn't "pablum"...we haven't had a truly conservative President since Regan left office.
His track record on the economy and what he did to bring this country from the brink after 4 years of Carter is undeniable. The effects of his economic polices alone carried into the Clinton and Bush 43 presidencies.
@txradioguy Liberals say the only problem with communism is it has never truly been tried. I wouldn't care to dissuade them of that notion either, and so I'll just agree that Reagan was arguably the greatest President of our lifetimes and move on.
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@txradioguy Liberals say the only problem with communism is it has never truly been tried. I wouldn't care to dissuade them of that notion either, and so I'll just agree that Reagan was arguably the greatest President of our lifetimes and move on.
Works for me! :beer:
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Maybe if some Congresscritter's wives start getting gang-raped by MS-13 types, things will change. But fat chance of that since they all live comfortably in their gated communities.
I don't live in a gated community, but none of my family has been gang raped by MS-13 types either.
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@Once-Ler @corbe @Victoria33 #Montanajoe @ABX @Applewood @kevindavis
What's up @Bigun? There's a party going on over here. 999wine <champagne corks pop in rapid machine gun fire>
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I'll give you a Once-Ler as a possible but not the others. Do you have any quotes from the others to say that?
All I see is a confirmation of what they expected Trump to do and hoping he wouldn't. That's not popping the cork celebrating.
You can't see what you refuse to look for! You asked me who and I told you.
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I don't live in a gated community, but none of my family has been gang raped by MS-13 types either.
Where you live is a collective beehive of leftist thought and a communist bedroom community of Madison WI.
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I don't live in a gated community, but none of my family has been gang raped by MS-13 types either.
Aren't they fortunate:
https://news.sky.com/video/the-violent-gang-targeting-rich-us-suburbia-11168031 (https://news.sky.com/video/the-violent-gang-targeting-rich-us-suburbia-11168031)
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/fb-5259365/TWO-MS-13-MEMBERS-CHARGED-RAPE-KIDNAP-HOUSTON.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/fb-5259365/TWO-MS-13-MEMBERS-CHARGED-RAPE-KIDNAP-HOUSTON.html)
https://6abc.com/source-brooklyn-child-rape-suspect-an-ms-13-gang-member/4130141/ (https://6abc.com/source-brooklyn-child-rape-suspect-an-ms-13-gang-member/4130141/)
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/03/el-salvador-women-gangs-ms-13-trump-violence/554804/ (https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/03/el-salvador-women-gangs-ms-13-trump-violence/554804/)
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2018/05/17/ms-13-donald-trump-gang-violence-animals-immigrants-media-column/621537002/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2018/05/17/ms-13-donald-trump-gang-violence-animals-immigrants-media-column/621537002/)
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Pearl clutching....how did you know pearls were my birthstone..I wear some sort of pearls everyday....and I don't clutch them.
You're breaking my heart...talk about preening..Trump should not have gloated and promised for 3 weeks how he was going to win this standoff...the biggest losers were 800k people who had to endure this madness brought on my him and his naivety in politics
Well said, @mystery-ak . My son is one of those 800K, he showed up for work every day. The worst he did was grumble a bit. Thankfully, he had the Bank of Mom & Dad to fall back on when he needed a bit of help. He tapped most of his savings to help pay for his wedding in September.
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Didn't you use to live in Dallas @The Ghost same damn thing.
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Where you live is a collective beehive of leftist thought and a communist bedroom community of Madison WI.
In Madison, you've got to watch out for those illegals, all 3 of them.
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Didn't you use to live in Dallas @The Ghost same damn thing.
Nope. Dallas and Dallas County is a cesspool of liberal turds. I lived in Keller, A cesspool of another kind.
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I knew Trump was going to be a 'Hail Mary Pass', but I figured it was our only shot, either he was going to succeed, or turn out to be like you said he'd be, or he'd be well-intentioned, but the Establishment in both parties would sabotage him.
I still think it was worth the risk in the end, and it could still work out. These next few weeks will be critical. But I will say, even if Trump is considered a failure, he still planted some seeds that may ultimately bear fruit, even if it's after he's out of office.
Well said @dfwgator . Call me an NT, but Trump has undeniably had some successes. The Republican Party needs to move on from the septuagenarians and octogenarians that are now calling the shots. I'm looking for someone in his/her 40s or 50s who can cobble together the factions at odds with each other in the center/right of center. I still like Cruz, but his brand was savaged by Trump. It needs to be someone who was not involved with the 2016 campaign.
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In Madison, you've got to watch out for those illegals, all 3 of them.
Actually Madison is a sanctuary city an is invested with Illegals.
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Sorry, @Emjay, he's going to have to prove it now. He screwed up bigly, perhaps fatally.
I couldn't agree more. Trump's staunch supporters really need to assess what he just did. I think that it is a possibility that all along Trump has been a puppet for the DEMS which would explain why he appointed Rosenstein and why with all the evidence of Clinton/Bammy corruption, they remain unscathed. Even with a full majority, the DEMS remained in control. Is this Making America Great Again or is this completing Bammy's Transformation of America??
Sadly, we had a solid constitutional conservative and America instead believed the rhetoric from a salesman.
I don't expect Trump to run in 2020 and with amnesty just around the corner, we will have one party and we will become another Europe.
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rrthree
Actually Madison is a sanctuary city an is invested with Illegals.
I guess I shouldn't be surprised.
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His promise about the wall was the cornerstone of what got him elected. He's caved. It IS a great failure.
I agree with the poster who compared it to Bush's "read my lips."
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I guess I shouldn't be surprised.
Think of it as Austin of the midwest.
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We will see, and I will be ecstatic to eat my words if I'm proven wrong. Unfortunately, I don't think I will be, and I'm really disappointed.
There's a ton of Karnacs in here that agree with you.
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Where you live is a collective beehive of leftist thought and a communist bedroom community of Madison WI.
Thanx. I forgot where it was.
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Thanx. I forgot where it was.
Move to Monroe. People are still sane there.
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I don't live in a gated community, but none of my family has been gang raped by MS-13 types either.
Yeah, as long as it doesn't directly hurt you it's not a problem.
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I don't expect Trump to run in 2020 and with amnesty just around the corner, we will have one party and we will become another Europe.
We'll be lucky if it's Europe, more like another Africa.
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Move to Monroe. People are still sane there.
Louisiana?
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Some money for a wall would have been nice, @Sanguine
What I really wanted to see was several hundred thousand former govt. employees looking for jobs in the private sector.
"I fondled old ladies at the airport" has got to look good on a résumé.
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Louisiana?
Nah. It is in Green County Wisc. Farm and dairy country. Settled by the Swiss. They make cheese.
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@libertybele
Soaring deficits, a swampier Swamp, repeal Obamacare, PP funding, restoring American pride...I'd give him failing marks for trade deals, and foreign affairs...YMMV
But the worst thing that Trump did was pit God fearing, gun loving, abortion hating, American business supporting, and rat loathing conservatives against each other.
I think Trump ran to elect Hitlery. When Trump failed the plan changed to destroying the GOP from with in.
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This IS what winning looks like. Are you sick of winning?
Exactly!! It sure seems that Trump was merely a siphon for the DEMS as some (including myself) thought when he was campaigning.
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@Once-Ler needs to move to TEXAS so he can really release his inner demons, without the ridicule he receives here on TBR.
Our Freeways are Easy and we have Kraft Cheese, too.
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@mystery-ak
About Hannity: "But he (Hannity) noted that Trump could allow another shutdown when the deadline arrives next month, or if a deal does not emerge he could declare a national emergency to circumvent Congress to build a wall, as the president suggested Friday. “I think the president also kind of has a heart,†Hannity said. “He knows that this is tough on a lot of the furloughed workers.â€
Trump cares nothing about the peons who work for him. I think it was an airport today in Washington, D.C., not having enough employees to get aircraft off the ground, that made him stop the shut-down. That airport meant something to him - get the peons back to work so my airplanes can fly.
You know I live in Texas.
I don't see today's problem as meaning he will never get a wall. There is now a commission by whatever name, with representatives of both parties, to work on an acceptable immigration policy/money/barriers/etc..
Unfortunately, it seems when there is a deadline for something, they start on the work the day before the deadline.
I know there are places on the Texas border that need a wall/barrier/whatever. There are other places that do not need one such as a tall sheer cliff at the water's edge that no one could climb (don't send me pictures of people climbing up cliffs). Get the specialists who know what barrier needs to be where, how many border agents they need, drones, etc., etc.. and start it. Train new border guards, just start somewhere because if one never starts, it never gets done.
If this group doesn't put together something both parties will accept, and Trump shuts government down again, it will be total destruction of his presidency - he should not close down government again. Hopefully he will listen to someone who has enough sense to know he should not shut it down. It appears right now, Ann Coulter is president.
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@mystery-ak
About Hannity: "But he (Hannity) noted that Trump could allow another shutdown when the deadline arrives next month, or if a deal does not emerge he could declare a national emergency to circumvent Congress to build a wall, as the president suggested Friday. “I think the president also kind of has a heart,†Hannity said. “He knows that this is tough on a lot of the furloughed workers.â€
Blah blah blah, Bush had a "heart" too, what good was that?
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@dfwgator
Hannity said, “I think the president also kind of has a heartâ€. “He knows that this is tough on a lot of the furloughed workers.â€
You said, "Blah blah blah, Bush had a "heart" too, what good was that?"
I said Trump doesn't care about any of his peon workers, that he started government today so planes could take off at an airport in Washington, D.C. I put Hannity's remark about Trump's "heart" in bold so people would know Hannity said it. Trump has a cold heart - isn't there a western song about a cold heart?
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Yeah, as long as it doesn't directly hurt you it's not a problem.
I didn't say it's not a problem...if MS-13 types were gang raping me or my family it would be a big problem. Not seeing much of that here, but to be fair it is really cold in WI for that kind of often outdoors activity.
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@mystery-ak
So much for being gone permanently, lol. I could have saved you a deletion.
@QueenCatofAragon
I left you alone to enjoy your "vacation" from here. I didn't want to put any pressure on you to try to get you back. I have missed you. Try to stay out of trouble. 22222frying pan
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Pearl clutching....how did you know pearls were my birthstone..I wear some sort of pearls everyday....and I don't clutch them.
You're breaking my heart...talk about preening..Trump should not have gloated and promised for 3 weeks how he was going to win this standoff...the biggest losers were 800k people who had to endure this madness brought on my him and his naivety in politics
Like the ones who got an extra three weeks vacation?
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You can thank the Bushes for that.
No, you can thank pragmatism for that... and the failure by the Republicans at large to demand the Conservatism they purport to care about.
And you can blame hero worship - the supposition that any one man can fix it - Which is nothing more than moonbeams and unicorn farts.
Until y'all finally burn down the big tent and start to demand purity toward Conservative principles, you will continue to get a rudderless party piloted by an idiot.
That is the bare fact.
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Today's GOP functions much better as an opposition rather that a ruling party.
I would agree with you except for the fact that the GOP doesn't function at all.
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Whatever happens, they NEED better messaging.
Nah. What they need is a unified purpose. And a buttload of common sense.
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I would agree with you except for the fact that the GOP doesn't function at all.
Good point... :beer:
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Because it is all talk?
I love Rush.............when Stein is hosting, really tired of Rush pimping Apple and all the other bullsquat, the best part of Hannity is when his show is over, ya get tired of mememememememe. I used to listen years ago when I still worked (take that as you will :whistle:) now I can't stomach any of it and can't remember the last time I turned on the news, all it is is all bullshit all the time and happy happy asininity from the talent(what a joke)
I was just talking with my 87 year old mother telling her how I missed old George Putnam, he read the news straight and then clearly stated what was his own opinion.
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Well said @dfwgator . Call me an NT, but Trump has undeniably had some successes. The Republican Party needs to move on from the septuagenarians and octogenarians that are now calling the shots. I'm looking for someone in his/her 40s or 50s who can cobble together the factions at odds with each other in the center/right of center. I still like Cruz, but his brand was savaged by Trump. It needs to be someone who was not involved with the 2016 campaign.
There is one guy I would replace Trump with right now in a heartbeat. And that is Governor Abbott. He's certainly on top of my 2024 list.
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Are you seriously suggesting Trump should have fired the air traffic controllers? Are you mad?
No, but when Reagan fired the PATCO a-holes he knew how to handle the shortage, he replaced them with military. Trump all hat no......................
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@libertybele
Soaring deficits, a swampier Swamp, repeal Obamacare, PP funding, restoring American pride...I'd give him failing marks for trade deals, and foreign affairs...YMMV
But the worst thing that Trump did was pit God fearing, gun loving, abortion hating, American business supporting, and rat loathing conservatives against each other.
I think Trump ran to elect Hitlery. When Trump failed the plan changed to destroying the GOP from with in.
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This IS what winning looks like. Are you sick of winning?
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There is one guy I would replace Trump with right now in a heartbeat. And that is Governor Abbott. He's certainly on top of my 2024 list.
President Abbott of the Republic of Texas sounds pretty good.
Hey, one can dream, right?
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@dfwgator
Hannity said, “I think the president also kind of has a heartâ€. “He knows that this is tough on a lot of the furloughed workers.â€
You said, "Blah blah blah, Bush had a "heart" too, what good was that?"
I said Trump doesn't care about any of his peon workers, that he started government today so planes could take off at an airport in Washington, D.C. I put Hannity's remark about Trump's "heart" in bold so people would know Hannity said it. Trump has a cold heart - isn't there a western song about a cold heart?
What worries me is that if he has a heart for the furloughed federal workers, will someone/something convince him to have a heart for the illegals coming in?
So far, he has stood by the people who have lost loved ones, due to crimes committed by illegals.
I hope he doesn't forget that party of the equation.
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@QueenCatofAragon
Is this you?
I mean, are you back?
@QueenCatofAragon
I missed you I missed you I missed you! I love the new name, meow! Don’t ever leave again.
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I wouldn't be so quick to condemn Trump for this move. It kinda became inevitable. I see it as a 'live to fight another day' thing.
@Emjay
Don't pick a hill to fight and die on unless you are willing to fight and die on it.
If he tries another close-down next week,everybody will just laugh at him and wait for him to cave again.
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Comes with the territory if you sign up for a government job. Save for a rainy day, like the rest of us.
@dfwgator
I saw one on teebee a couple of days ago,whining about "We are going to miss a house payment,and I just don't know what we are going to do!" She and her husband were both civil service workers,both of them in their 60's with no children or grandchildren living with them,and they are worried about missing a house payment after decades of steady work?????
They either have WAAAAY too much house in a pricier neighborhood than they can afford,or no amount of money would be enough for them to live on,meet bills with,and then save some. Their house was very nice inside,but all I could see was that one room.
I can sympathize with someone in their 20's or 30's that has children,but a dual-employed couple in their 60's?
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@kevindavis You have become one of my new 'voice of reason' posters.
This is a good thing. Everyone was totally focused on the shutdown and it was hurting Trump and his efforts to get the wall.
@Emjay
Say WHAT????????
This WAS his attempt to get the wall built.
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@Emjay
Thank you. I'm for border security as the next guy, but what Trump should have done is sit down with leaders from the House and the Senate work out a deal.
But no, he had to listen to Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh and Fox News. That was a big mistake and it hurt Trump.
Hopefully this is the last Government shutdown period. They never work.
@kevindavis
What color is the sky on your home planet?
You can't negotiate a deal with people who have no interest in negotiating with you. The Dims don't want a wall because cutting off access to America by illegal aliens would reduce their voter base.
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So, the substance of the deal: #Trump agrees to re-open the govt (what Dems have demanded all along) & to turn over the job of enhancing border security to a bi-partisan commission. Why couldn't #Trump have offered such a sensible solution in, say, the 1st week of his presidency?
That was a legit question.
Because it wasn't and isn't a sensible solution. The Dims will NEVER vote for anything that reduces the number of illegal alien voters in this country. What would have,and what WILL happen is this "bi-partisan commission" will spend the next couple of years meeting in various vacation spas to agree to let out contracts to firms owned by donors and relatives that will do feasibility studies,engineering studies,manpower studies,environmental studies,etc,etc,etc,and end up concluding the wall will never be built. The final report will probably be written in Spanish,and the money spend for all the studies would have built the damn wall.
Is there ANYBODY out there that hasn't already figured out how this works?
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Trump didn't gain a single vote from this, but he potentially lost millions.
@dfwgator
And there it is. If there is no wall standing going into the 2020 elections,he's wasting time even bothering to run,and Trumps nickname for all of eternity will be "Pelosi's Bitch".
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But how many times must trump have to say it, he has an ace in the hole: declaring a national emergency if the political process breaks down?
He’s re-iterated again and again that he wants to use the normal political processes for getting the wall – but, that if it doesn’t happen that way, he’s always got that ace.
The fat lady hasn’t sung, but let’s all wring our hands and gnash our teeth even while the game is still on.
@aligncare
Maybe not,but the fat man has sang,and he was singing "Mercy!" If he had any desire to do that,he could have already done it.
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Congress doesn't matter. The GOP there has proven over the years that they agree with the Rats on border security. They don't want it. Only we do, and we don't get a say.
@Cyber Liberty
The powers behind the DNC are communists that want a left-wing police state and need the illegal alien votes to get there,and the powers behind the RNC are their fascist cousins that want the illegal aliens for the cheap labor to improve their profits.
Both are elitists that care nothing for the nation or the common citizen. They only care about themselves,their power,and their profits.
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Instead of focusing on the wall, why can’t the focus be on why they are coming here in the first place? Handouts, pure and simple. Stop the handouts. Stop free medical, stop free schooling, stop their filing for IRS credits. Go after companies hiring un E-verified employees. Dry up their ability to live off the government tit. Go after identity theft. Dry up all the money sources for illegal aliens.
@Elderberry
Nice theory,but it is an established FACT that neither the DNC or the RNC have any interest in allowing this to happen,and this is WHY we need to build a wall.
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Right. Enforce the damned laws already on the books, for a refreshing change. But oh hell no.... now we've got idiots out there wanting to abolish/eliminate ICE. The inmates are running the asylum and about to burn it down.
@XenaLee
You should change the wording on your flat icon to "One Nation....,Invisible",and maybe add "We iz da wurld...." below that.
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Bush was the face of incompetence. Worse then that he got a hell of a lot of people killed for nothing.
@Amb. Frank Cannon
That's what you get when you elect a homosexual mama's boy that is also a drunk and drug addict as president.
Not that JEB would be any better. Looking at his wife it's not hard to believe he isn't a homo too,and there can be no question about him being a mama's boy.
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It’s interesting to read comments from Republican members of Congress, saying this was an unnecessary showdown that did not gain anything. It seems like Trump will have little to no support for another shot down in three weeks. I’m wondering how many will truly back his emergency declaration, if it is enacted.
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It’s interesting to read comments from Republican members of Congress, saying this was an unnecessary showdown that did not gain anything. It seems like Trump will have little to no support for another shot down in three weeks. I’m wondering how many will truly back his emergency declaration, if it is enacted.
@edpc
Trump has two choices. He can either man-up and build the damn wall regardless of who screams bloody murder about it,or he can step down and let Pence take over. He either gets the wall construction started by this spring or it will never get built and no one will pay any attention to anything he says. He might as well resign and be done with it.
We either build the damn wall and start enforcing our laws that refer to illegal aliens in the next year or two,or there will be no country to save. The whole left coast will be known as Mexifornia,and be a welfare nation.
I honestly didn't think I would live long enough to see the 2nd American Revolution,but now I think it is likely I will be a participant.
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It’s interesting to read comments from Republican members of Congress, saying this was an unnecessary showdown that did not gain anything. It seems like Trump will have little to no support for another shot down in three weeks. I’m wondering how many will truly back his emergency declaration, if it is enacted.
If it comes down to an Emergency Declaration, Congressional support is irrelevant. What is relevant is how the courts will react, and I think at least one injunction from a District Judge will stop it in its tracks, triggering a multi-year court case that even the SCOTUS won't find for the President. That means there is not likely to be even one mile of wall built come Election Day, 2020 (even if SCOTUS finds for the President).
There are a lot of Clinton and Obama Judges in the 9th Circus.
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There is one guy I would replace Trump with right now in a heartbeat. And that is Governor Abbott. He's certainly on top of my 2024 list.
@dfwgator
Abbott would win against anyone and that means Trump, too. Just think, elected guy in a wheelchair - and he goes hunting in his wheelchair. He was in college, doing a run and a tree fell on him and he has been paralyzed since then; he can still use his arms. He did not quit his life, he stayed in college, then went to law school, was our Attorney General. He would say he gets to the office and sues the federal government, goes home at the end of day, next day goes back to his office and sues the federal government.
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If it comes down to an Emergency Declaration, Congressional support is irrelevant. What is relevant is how the courts will react, and I think at least one injunction from a District Judge will stop it in its tracks, triggering a multi-year court case that even the SCOTUS won't find for the President. That means there is not likely to be even one mile of wall built come Election Day, 2020 (even if SCOTUS finds for the President).
@Cyber Liberty
Sadly,I have to agree.
I don't see Pence as having much support in 2020,so it won't be long before Republicans and alleged Republicans start climbing up each other's back to see who gets to ring that bell in 2020. We all know about the usual suspects like Jeb,Mittens,Cruz,etc,etc,etc,but I wonder who else will be willing to jump into the ring this time?
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@Cyber Liberty
Sadly,I have to agree.
I don't see Pence as having much support in 2020,so it won't be long before Republicans and alleged Republicans start climbing up each other's back to see who gets to ring that bell in 2020. We all know about the usual suspects like Jeb,Mittens,Cruz,etc,etc,etc,but I wonder who else will be willing to jump into the ring this time?
Not I. :laugh:
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Not I. :laugh:
Dagnabit @Cyber Liberty, I was counting on you!
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Trump got himself elected by the people, not the party. Despite being dismissed as a joke by democrats and as a nuisance by the RNC and Jeb and the clowns running against him, he won on the confidence that the voters (people) put in him – not the party.
This move to end the stalemate and get federal employees back to work demonstrated compassion for workers which will elevate him above Nancy and Chuck in the eyes of the little people. This, after giving Chuck and Nancy numerous opportunities to come in and negotiate, with everything on the table. But they flatly refused every invitation. They are the ones who look weak – not Trump.
Trump did good for the folks, all the while continuing to build a rationale for issuing an emergency declaration to build the wall after congress had failed to act.
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If it comes down to an Emergency Declaration, Congressional support is irrelevant.
Not entirely. The National Emergencies Act allows for Congress to overturn the declaration with a concurrent resolution between the two chambers. That could be vetoed by the president, then only overridden by 2/3 majority. Getting a veto proof vote is unlikely, but having the resolution pass would be politically damaging.
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Meanwhile, Pelosi is still refusing to allow the SOTU speech. LOL!
Not entirely. The National Emergencies Act allows for Congress to overturn the declaration with a concurrent resolution between the two chambers. That could be vetoed by the president, then only overridden by 2/3 majority. Getting a veto proof vote is unlikely, but having the resolution pass would be politically damaging.
I stand corrected. I forgot about that. Whether Congress stops it or not, it won't lead to a wall in time to save Trump's reelection in 2020 because the courts will stop it, regardless of what Congress does about it. There is no way a Court that overturned Trump's DACA EO would allow a Declaration of Emergency to stand.
IANAL, I'm just making a guess based on the court behavior I've watched over the years.
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Trump got himself elected by the people, not the party. Despite being dismissed as a joke by democrats and as a nuisance by the RNC and Jeb and the clowns running against him, he won on the confidence that the voters (people) put in him – not the party.
Don’t kid yourself. He won, because the alternative was so much worse. Confidence and competence were distant considerations.
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Meanwhile, Pelosi is still refusing to allow the SOTU speech. LOL!
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@The Ghost
Like the new avatar so much I think I’ll have tuna for lunch
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@The Ghost
Like the new avatar so much I think I’ll have tuna for lunch
@Freya
As long it is "dolphin" free and "tastes good" go for it. wink777
Tell 'em, Charlie sent you.
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Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
I wish people would read or listen to my words on the Border Wall. This was in no way a concession. It was taking care of millions of people who were getting badly hurt by the Shutdown with the understanding that in 21 days, if no deal is done, it’s off to the races!
6:33 PM · Jan 25, 2019 · Twitter for iPhone
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Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
I wish people would read or listen to my words on the Border Wall. This was in no way a concession. It was taking care of millions of people who were getting badly hurt by the Shutdown with the understanding that in 21 days, if no deal is done, it’s off to the races!
6:33 PM · Jan 25, 2019 · Twitter for iPhone
:facepalm2:
He is making a concession stand.
No want some Orange Koolaid?
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I didn't say it's not a problem...if MS-13 types were gang raping me or my family it would be a big problem. Not seeing much of that here, but to be fair it is really cold in WI for that kind of often outdoors activity.
Yeah, real cute.
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There is one guy I would replace Trump with right now in a heartbeat. And that is Governor Abbott. He's certainly on top of my 2024 list.
Abbott is very solid. He may be needed before 2024.
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@dfwgator
I saw one on teebee a couple of days ago,whining about "We are going to miss a house payment,and I just don't know what we are going to do!" She and her husband were both civil service workers,both of them in their 60's with no children or grandchildren living with them,and they are worried about missing a house payment after decades of steady work?????
They either have WAAAAY too much house in a pricier neighborhood than they can afford,or no amount of money would be enough for them to live on,meet bills with,and then save some. Their house was very nice inside,but all I could see was that one room.
I can sympathize with someone in their 20's or 30's that has children,but a dual-employed couple in their 60's?
And, we do realize that these people were eligible for unemployment too, right?
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Abbott is very solid. He may be needed before 2024.
I'd like to see him as the President of the Republic of Texas right now.
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Hey all. What's new in the 'hood?
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I, too, find it difficult to believe Pelosi would lie to Trump about allowing the SOTU speech to go forward if he caved. LOL!
We're in for an interesting few weeks.
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Hey all. What's new in the 'hood?
Hey @Lando Lincoln! How ya been?
As you can see by this thread, there's not much new going on, just a new forest fire that sprung up yesterday.
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Hey all. What's new in the 'hood?
Hey, @Lando Lincoln, nice to see you!
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Hey @Lando Lincoln! How ya been?
As you can see by this thread, there's not much new going on, just a new forest fire that sprung up yesterday.
:beer:
I've been vertical which is good. As for the fire, I'll move to where there is less smoke.
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Good to see you @Lando Lincoln
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Good to see you @Lando Lincoln
@Sanguine
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Hey all. What's new in the 'hood?
SSDD
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Good to hear from you again @Lando Lincoln
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There is one guy I would replace Trump with right now in a heartbeat. And that is Governor Abbott. He's certainly on top of my 2024 list.
You may have a point... All we'd need is a VP named Costello for a guarantee that'd beat the stand-up routine that's up there right now...
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You may have a point... All we'd need is a VP named Costello for a guarantee that'd beat the stand-up routine that's up there right now...
****drummer
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All it would take is some drumming up to it?
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Trump got himself elected by the people, not the party. Despite being dismissed as a joke by democrats and as a nuisance by the RNC and Jeb and the clowns running against him, he won on the confidence that the voters (people) put in him – not the party.
This move to end the stalemate and get federal employees back to work demonstrated compassion for workers which will elevate him above Nancy and Chuck in the eyes of the little people. This, after giving Chuck and Nancy numerous opportunities to come in and negotiate, with everything on the table. But they flatly refused every invitation. They are the ones who look weak – not Trump.
Trump did good for the folks, all the while continuing to build a rational for issuing an emergency declaration to build the wall after congress had failed to act.
@aligncare
I hope you are right and one day VERY soon I have to log on and apologize for ever doubting him,but I just don't see any way for that to happen after he caved on this. Not only won't the Dims pay any attention to anything he says in the future,but neither will the Republicans that publicly backed him and got burnt this time.
No half-measures are going to be good enough. IF he is to ever gain back any credibility,it's got to be a wall the length and type that he was telling everyone he was going to put up. Even ONE foot less and it will be a failure his opponents will never let him forget.
And without any help even from the Republicans and the alleged Republicans,I just don't see how he can do it.
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And, we do realize that these people were eligible for unemployment too, right?
@Sanguine
I hadn't really thought about it,but doesn't that vary by state?
I just can't wrap my mind around a couple who both have civil service jobs and are in their 60's don't have enough money saved to pay their bills for a couple of months,and are worried about losing their house and having their utilities cut off after missing 1 paycheck.
WTF is the matter with these people? Are they children,or adults? I'm betting they both have expensive luxury cars,a boat,a RV,and that they usually eat dinner in restaurants. I have to admit I have ZERO sympathy for them. Anybody THAT freaking stupid deserves to have to sleep in the park in the rain.
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@Sanguine
I hadn't really thought about it,but doesn't that vary by state?
Unemployment Compensation for Federal Employees
Purpose
The Unemployment Compensation for Federal Employees program provides benefits for eligible unemployed former civilian Federal employees. The program is administered by States as agents of the Federal government. This program is operated under the same terms and conditions that apply to regular State Unemployment Insurance (see State Unemployment Insurance). In general, the law of the State in which your last official duty station in Federal civilian service was located will be the State law that determines eligibility for unemployment insurance benefits.
There is no payroll deduction from a Federal employee's wages for unemployment insurance protection. Benefits are paid for by the various Federal agencies.
Benefits
The law of the State (under which the claim is filed) determines benefit amounts, number of weeks benefits can be paid, and other eligibility conditions.
https://www.dol.gov/general/topic/unemployment-insurance (https://www.dol.gov/general/topic/unemployment-insurance)
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Hey all. What's new in the 'hood?
@Lando Lincoln
Pelosi and Chuckie were elected President and Co-President by the Dims,the NT's,and the RINO's.
Other than that,not much.
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@Lando Lincoln
Pelosi and Chuckie were elected President and Co-President by the Dims,the NT's,and the RINO's.
Other than that,not much.
Gotta give Trump some credit for throwing in a hand to help.
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Gotta give Trump some credit for throwing in a hand to help.
IOW, a real CF. Those have been coming in hot and heavy.
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And, we do realize that these people were eligible for unemployment too, right?
And do we realize that Fed. Gov employees, are pad way, way more than average American workers?
They are.
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He is making a concession stand.
No want some Orange Koolaid?
Nice one, @bigheadfred ! :beer:
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Hey all. What's new in the 'hood?
GOOD to see you, @Lando Lincoln !
Hope you're doing well! Your calm and reasoned views are oft missed around here! :patriot:
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And, we do realize that these people were eligible for unemployment too, right?
Huh?
The ones still working are still working, so they're not eligible for unemployment even though they're not getting paid. Second, if the federal government lapses on their pay, they're also lapsing on unemployment insurance.
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GOOD to see you, @Lando Lincoln !
Hope you're doing well! Your calm and reasoned views are oft missed around here! :patriot:
Thank you @musiclady. I’ve been spending these last months working on new encoder device trying to make my super double-secret subliminal messaging more difficult to decipher. Since it has not yet been perfected, I’m just stopping in to say hello.
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Huh?
The ones still working are still working, so they're not eligible for unemployment even though they're not getting paid. Second, if the federal government lapses on their pay, they're also lapsing on unemployment insurance.
In Idaho, they pay unemployment on the income of the six months previous to the last six months worked.
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Thank you @musiclady. I’ve been spending these last months working on new encoder device trying to make my super double-secret subliminal messaging more difficult to decipher. Since it has not yet been perfected, I’m just stopping in to say hello.
That explains the avatar that makes you look so cryptical.
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Thank you @musiclady. I’ve been spending these last months working on new encoder device trying to make my super double-secret subliminal messaging more difficult to decipher. Since it has not yet been perfected, I’m just stopping in to say hello.
So.....what are you really saying here?
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So.....what are you really saying here?
Eat your Ovaltine.
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Eat your Ovaltine.
I thought so.
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Eat your Ovaltine.
@musiclady @Lando Lincoln
musiclady hard at work
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And do we realize that Fed. Gov employees, are pad way, way more than average American workers?
They are.
@truth_seeker
Not always. Sometimes they are paid less. Depends on the job. I knew a section leader in the files section of the USAF retired records section that had been working there for 20 years in the 1970's,and he was only pulling in a little more than 5 bucks a hour on a job with no overtime available. He finally put in his retirement papers when he was forced to train his new minority boss after his old boss retired. You could get 5 bucks a hour driving a local truck for Manpower at the time.
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So.....what are you really saying here?
What's the frequency, Kenneth?
aka
Dial it in and push 2 twice followed by the pound sign followed by the pound sign followed by the pound sign where we will put you on hold until you decide who what or where to pound.
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@musiclady @Lando Lincoln
musiclady hard at work
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Hey there @mystery-ak ! It's against forum rules to post actual photographs of Briefers!!
But that IS an accurate photo and it shows that I am the only one who understands what @Lando Lincoln is saying here.
(Your secret is safe with me, Lando. @Sanguine will never find out because I ain't sharing!)
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Hey there @mystery-ak ! It's against forum rules to post actual photographs of Briefers!!
But that IS an accurate photo and it shows that I am the only one who understands what @Lando Lincoln is saying here.
(Your secret is safe with me, Lando. @Sanguine will never find out because I ain't sharing!)
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Back atcha! :tongue2:
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This really is a top story forum with all tongue wagging @Amb. Frank Cannon.
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Hey there @mystery-ak ! It's against forum rules to post actual photographs of Briefers!!
But that IS an accurate photo and it shows that I am the only one who understands what @Lando Lincoln is saying here.
(Your secret is safe with me, Lando. @Sanguine will never find out because I ain't sharing!)
My problem is I’m an old-school traditionalist. Lever-action rifles, wind-up watches, manual transmissions... that sort of thing. There is something very gratifying about a clean snick-snick of a precision gear shift. Same with the encoder. All those blasted mechanical relays...
It will be worth it, though.
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My problem is I’m an old-school traditionalist. Lever-action rifles, wind-up watches, manual transmissions... that sort of thing. There is something very gratifying about a clean snick-snick of a precision gear shift. Same with the encoder. All those blasted mechanical relays...
It will be worth it, though.
All good things come to those who wait.
(I made that up myself!)
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All good things come to those who wait.
(I made that up myself!)
Nice!
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Yeah, sure @muiclady and the early bird may get the worm but the mouse who slept in late gets the cheese.
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Those quotes come from Jack the Jill or some other fairy tale?
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Those quotes come from Jack the Jill or some other fairy tale?
There is secret, sometimes sinister messaging embedded in those old saws.
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Yeah, sure @muiclady and the early bird may get the worm but the mouse who slept in late gets the cheese.
The second mouse to arrive at the trap gets the cheese. The first forgot why the cheese is there in the first place.
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There is secret, sometimes sinister messaging embedded in those old saws.
That sounds Grimm.
Not to mention the damage done by The Rocky And Bullwinkle Show.
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That sounds Grimm.
Not to mention the damage done by The Rocky And Bullwinkle Show.
I loved Fractured Fairy Tales by Edward Everett Horton!
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Yeah, sure @muiclady and the early bird may get the worm but the mouse who slept in late gets the cheese.
Is that the mouse that roars??
btw, your name for me here is disturbingly close to mucouslady.
I have a mild cold, but really?? Pretty insulting. happy77
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There is secret, sometimes sinister messaging embedded in those old saws.
But you have to saw backward to hear it properly.
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Is that the mouse that roars??
btw, your name for me here is disturbingly close to mucouslady.
I have a mild cold, but really?? Pretty insulting. happy77
Please accept my apologies @musiclady it was not intentional.
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But you have to saw backward to hear it properly.
Doesn't that require a Disgrontifyer?
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A group of TBR members armed with their razor wit could head for the comics in DC and outwit them all.
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Those quotes come from Jack the Jill or some other fairy tale?
Not anymore... These days, Jack is Jill and Jill identifies as a goat. :shrug: :whistle:
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mucouslady.
:silly: :silly: :silly:
Now that's funny, right there, I don't care who you are...
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Please accept my apologies @musiclady it was not intentional.
No problemo, corbe!
Christopher Plummer once called The Sound of Music, "The Sound of Mucous," so you're in pretty good company, methinks! 888high58888
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No problemo, corbe!
Christopher Plummer once called The Sound of Music, "The Sound of Mucous," so you're in pretty good company, methinks! 888high58888
Oh, yeah, January in the Hill Country: "The hills are alive with the sound of mucous". (Cedar season)
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True dat @Sanguine
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@corbe I saw upthread you said hello. I missed it. Hope you are well.
Anyway, I apologize for the hijacking of the thread. I just wanted to say hello. Maybe I'll watch a few reruns of Mucous Welby, MD.
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@corbe I saw upthread you said hello. I missed it. Hope you are well.
Anyway, I apologize for the hijacking of the thread. I just wanted to say hello. Maybe I'll watch a few reruns of Mucous Welby, MD.
I like the ones that have his little brother Mitus in.
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I like the ones that have his little brother Mitus in.
Did you know Mitus was his middle name? His first name was Epididy.
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See what you started @Mucoslady.
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See what you started @Mucoslady.
Excellent. Right on topic. The blame game. Hows that rehab coming along?
Explains the Excoriation of Epididy Mitus Welby for his weaknesses- having played a minor role-not being able to grow a pair, that led to his reassignment surgery. I'm glad he took the sage advice.
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888mouth
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Those quotes come from Jack the Jill or some other fairy tale?
Jack and Jill went up the hill, each with a buck and a quarter.
Jill came down with $2.50.
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@corbe I saw upthread you said hello. I missed it. Hope you are well.
Anyway, I apologize for the hijacking of the thread. I just wanted to say hello. Maybe I'll watch a few reruns of Mucous Welby, MD.
It needed hijacking anyway.
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And Jill got the hill in divorce court.
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See what you started @Mucoslady.
I gladly take credit for it. This thread is HILARIOUS!
Mucous Welby?? LOL! I LOVED that show!!
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I like the ones that have his little brother Mitus in.
Mitus Welby?? ****drummer
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Jack and Jill went up the hill, each with a buck and a quarter.
Jill came down with $2.50.
That whore!
There was an old lady
Who lived in a shoe
She had so many kids
Her uterus fell out
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Hah, I had forgotten about those Andrew Dice Clay nursery rhymes.
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Hah, I had forgotten about those Andrew Dice Clay nursery rhymes.
Little Miss Muffet sat on a tuffet eating some curds and whey. Along came a spider and sat down beside her and said “What's in the bowl, bitch?â€
Classic!
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Little Miss Muffet sat on a tuffet eating some curds and whey. Along came a spider and sat down beside her and said “What's in the bowl, bitch?â€
Classic!
Little Boy Blue
He needed the money!
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Little Miss Muffet sat on a tuffet eating some curds and whey. Along came a spider and sat down beside her and said “What's in the bowl, bitch?â€
Classic!
I think that's the cleanest one of the lot of them.
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I think that's the cleanest one of the lot of them.
There is a lot of them.
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Hickory dickory dock....
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Hickory dickory dock....
Uh oh... the stakes have been raised.
Was Hickory Dickory a real person?
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Uh oh... the stakes have been raised.
Was Hickory Dickory a real person?
I smell a rat...anyway...
How wood I no? I'm NOT gay.
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I smell a rat...anyway...
How wood I no? I'm NOT gay.
Your tangent lost me.
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There is a lot of them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lTnnu3XLFk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lTnnu3XLFk)
Andrew Dice Clay - The Evolution Of Dirty Nursery Rhymes
It's ADC, of course it's not safe for work... or home.
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ADC was a purveyor and maker of precipitation of the up tight crowd.
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Hickory dickory dock....
What's next? A Nan Tucket limerick? 888mouth
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Jack and Jill went up the hill, each with a buck and a quarter.
Jill came down with $2.50.
Little boy blew...
He needed the money.
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Little Boy Blue
He needed the money!
I'm not fast enough. Someone tell my wife.
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I'm not fast enough. Someone tell my wife.
That's not what she said. 888mouth
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That's not what she said. 888mouth
Oh go ahead. It's a short story with a happy ending.
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Oh go ahead. It's a short story with a happy ending.
Aren't they all, really? Just a matter of degrees of 'how happy". :silly:
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Thumbs down to what, corbe? Whatsamatter? Haven't you had your smirk today? :rolling:
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To be honest @XenaLee I haven't smirked in over a week, I thought that was obvious by my overall intolerance lately.
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To be honest @XenaLee I haven't smirked in over a week, I thought that was obvious by my overall intolerance lately.
That's the problem. You really need to smirk more often, corbe.
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That's the problem. You really need to smirk more often, corbe.
I've been working on him, to little avail.
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To be honest @XenaLee I haven't smirked in over a week, I thought that was obvious by my overall intolerance lately.
They say there's a pill for that...
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I have the pills, that's not the problem (anymore) @DB They kicked me out of the bowling alley and I'm stuck with the Bars, Church or online dating, each have their unique drawbacks, so I stay here and take out my frustrations on the local Trumpers.
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That appears to be a personal problem, ED. I mean @corbe
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I have the pills, that's not the problem (anymore) @DB They kicked me out of the bowling alley and I'm stuck with the Bars, Church or online dating, each have their unique drawbacks, so I stay here and take out my frustrations on the local Trumpers.
Lactose...
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You got me confused with @edpc @bigheadfred
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You got me confused with @edpc @bigheadfred
I didn't say lactating.
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What's next? A Nan Tucket limerick? 888mouth
There once was a man from Madras
Whose balls were constructed of brass.
When jangled together,
They played "Stormy Weather"
And lightning shot out of his ass.
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The only time I drink milk is in my Mueller Russians.
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There once was a man from Madras
Whose balls were constructed of brass.
When jangled together,
They played "Stormy Weather"
And lightning shot out of his ass.
Oh... you wanna go there, do ya?
There once was a man from Racine
who'd invented a screwing machine.
Concave or convex,
it fit either sex,
but boy, was it a bitch to keep clean.
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The only time I drink milk is in my Mueller Russians.
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I drank milk when I was a kid.... but for some reason, I haven't touched the stuff since becoming an adult. Weird. I also don't eat cereal.... too much sugar (the way I like it)... and....
milk.
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What's next? A Nan Tucket limerick? 888mouth
Oh, don't get me started. :whistle:
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@Mod1 @The Ghost
This was a good thread for a while, but it's time to nail the coffin shut.
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@Mod1 @The Ghost
This was a good thread for a while, but it's time to nail the coffin shut.
Lewis Rothschild: People want leadership. And in the absence of genuine leadership, they will listen to anyone who steps up to the microphone. They want leadership, Mr. President. They're so thirsty for it, they'll crawl through the desert toward a mirage, and when they discover there's no water, they'll drink the sand.
President Andrew Shepherd: Lewis, we've had Presidents who were beloved who couldn't find a coherent sentence with two hands and a flashlight. People don't drink the sand 'cause they're thirsty. They drink the sand 'cause they don't know the difference.
The American President-1995
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Oh, don't get me started. :whistle:
Lol! I know. On another forum long ago.... we had a contest on that. It got...
raw. 888mouth
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@QueenCatofAragon
I missed you I missed you I missed you! I love the new name, meow! Don’t ever leave again.
@Freya
I shouldn't have deleted, should have just walked away from the stupidity for a while. Hey, I got an Ipad Pro for Christmas and I'm getting into digital art.
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@QueenCatofAragon
I left you alone to enjoy your "vacation" from here. I didn't want to put any pressure on you to try to get you back. I have missed you. Try to stay out of trouble. 22222frying pan
@Victoria33
I wondered where you were, lol. You don't qualify as something I'd want vacation from.
Staying out of trouble is no fun at all.
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To be honest @XenaLee I haven't smirked in over a week, I thought that was obvious by my overall intolerance lately.
@corbe I've been away and haven't had a chance to congratulate you on having your girlfriend back.
Or is it really your girlfriend? It could be because she used her very first post to ding me.
Maybe she just changed her name to get off all the ignore lists, or maybe it's an even more pretentious version of her?
Anyway, I'm not all that comfortable with @mystery-ak allowing people to either plagiarize a former member's name or change their own user name. I could change my user name and everyone would like me ... at least for a while.
And then nobody could spend hours looking up all my past posts to threaten me with.
How about it, mystery?
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@corbe I've been away and haven't had a chance to congratulate you on having your girlfriend back.
Or is it really your girlfriend? It could be because she used her very first post to ding me.
Maybe she just changed her name to get off all the ignore lists, or maybe it's an even more pretentious version of her?
Anyway, I'm not all that comfortable with @mystery-ak allowing people to either plagiarize a former member's name or change their own user name. I could change my user name and everyone would like me ... at least for a while.
And then nobody could spend hours looking up all my past posts to threaten me with.
How about it, mystery?
@Emjay
Nah, I just happened to see you post that you were afraid of waking the sleeping queen. I wanted to thank you for allowing me to live, royally, in your head.
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@Emjay I categorically deny that I'm having an affair with @LegalAmerican wink777
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@Emjay
Nah, I just happened to see you post that you were afraid of waking the sleeping queen. I wanted to thank you for allowing me to live, royally, in your head.
That's not where you live, sweetie, I don't believe it's the old Catherine ... she was slightly more subtle, but whatever.
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@Emjay I categorically deny that I'm having an affair with @LegalAmerican wink777
You can deny it all you want @corbe but I have the pictures.
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That's not where you live, sweetie, I don't believe it's the old Catherine ... she was slightly more subtle, but whatever.
@Emjay
It's not less subtlety, it's giving fewer shits, but believe as thou choosest.
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@Emjay I did have a very close friend here, momentarily, early this month @MoMo she quite frankly told me my attitude toward President Trump 'set her hair on fire'. I just spent 4 days with her and her husband, old, old Friend. I will admit that while I was at their house I used her TBR account to post a couple of times (as a Trumper), she was pissed and made me delete all her/mine posts. She hasn't called since I left. Long story short @QueenCatofAragon has nothing to do with me and I believe is indeed that Catherine from months past.
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@Emjay I did have a very close friend here, momentarily, early this month @MoMo she quite frankly told me my attitude toward President Trump 'set her hair on fire'. I just spent 4 days with her and her husband, old, old Friend. I will admit that while I was at their house I used her TBR account to post a couple of times (as a Trumper), she was pissed and made me delete all her/mine posts. She hasn't called since I left. Long story short @QueenCatofAragon has nothing to do with me and I believe is indeed that Catherine from months past.
@corbe that was a really sheety thing to do. Why did you do it? You must have been drunk. Everyone is not as forgiving as I am.
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Fat Farting Santa
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Fat Farting Santa
Fleeing Fearful Scent (thanks for the warning)
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Fat Farting Santa
Somewhere in the back of my head, mixed in amongst the other voices and probably coming from the fillings in my teeth, there's always a song or two playing.
The timing was perfect. Just as I read your post, I heard Geoff Tate (Queensryche) sing "Fat Farting Santa" in place of "Jet City Woman". One of those amazing coincidences of timing, like when you change radio stations and find that the exact same song is being played at the exact same time on both stations.
This one's going to stick with me like the April Wine classic Just Between Bruce and Steve.
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@catfish1957
@Bigun
@corbe
@dfwgator
@Sanguine
@XenaLee
@thackney
@Elderberry
(and any other Texas Briefers I may have left off the list).
Can't we just secede already and be done with this nonsense?
Agree 100%.
A federal government and lawmakers who are 100% devoid of any fiscal responsibility, and a so called GOP POTUS who seems to have zero interest in reducing the deficit? I'd vote for it. (TEXIT 2030?)
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Not saying any such thing.......saying Nancy outsmarted and out negotiated the great deal maker
That can't be!!!! You know with all of DJT's mastery of 9th dimensional chess and stuff. :silly:
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That can't be!!!! You know with all of DJT's mastery of 9th dimensional chess and stuff. :silly:
@catfish1957
Ok,genius,why don't YOU tell us how any sitting president can defeat being outnumbered by hostile politicians when a vote is needed,and even has politicians from his own party voting against him?
You know "everything",so surely something that simple should be a cinch for you to explain.
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Ok, genius, why don't YOU tell us how any sitting president can defeat being outnumbered by hostile politicians when a vote is needed,and even has politicians from his own party voting against him?
Why don't you tell him that, so he stops embarrassing himself with delusions of grandeur.
Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
After all that I have done for the Military, our great Veterans, Judges (99), Justices (2), Tax & Regulation Cuts, the Economy, Energy, Trade & MUCH MORE, does anybody really think I won’t build the WALL? Done more in first two years than any President! MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!
7:09 PM · Jan 27, 2019 · Twitter for iPhone
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@catfish1957
Ok,genius,why don't YOU tell us how any sitting president can defeat being outnumbered by hostile politicians when a vote is needed,and even has politicians from his own party voting against him?
You know "everything",so surely something that simple should be a cinch for you to explain.
Okay. Thanks... You've basically admitted that Trump is so stupid and politically incompetent, that he lacks the basic understanding not to start a battle (shutdown) you know you can't win. Another poster characterized DJT as now "Pelosi's bitch". I got to agree.
Enjoy your knee pad time with him the next few years. It's ending in 2020. At least I can honestly look in the mirror and say I wasn't duped by this fool in 2016.
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Why don't you tell him that, so he stops embarrassing himself with delusions of grandeur.
@edpc
Why? People like you are the ones with all the answers. You should tell him. It would probably be something like "jump up in the air and click your heels together",so I don't think it would be much help.
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Okay. Thanks... You've basically admitted that Trump is so stupid and politically incompetent, that he lacks the basic understanding not to start a battle (shutdown) you know you can't win.
@catfish1957
Ahhh,I see. YOUR plan is to become a surrender monkey that should never try to do anything unless you are 100 percent positive you will succeed.
Good to know.
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@edpc
Why? People like you are the ones with all the answers. You should tell him. It would probably be something like "jump up in the air and click your heels together",so I don't think it would be much help.
Here’s the problem: Trump initially entered the campaign as an anti-establishment candidate. The first thing he did, after being elected, is embrace the establishment. He has no one to blame but himself, for the current political predicament.
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Here’s the problem: Trump initially entered the campaign as an anti-establishment candidate. The first thing he did, after being elected, is embrace the establishment. He has no one to blame but himself, for the current political predicament.
"Embrace the establishment" -- wow, this is rich @edpc . You were among the most vocal complaining that he's not working well with others.
Now that he's trying to work with the Congress he's been dealt you're complaining he's not anti-establishment enough.
The only thing that doesn't change with your opinions is your pure hate for the President and your use of every turn of events to spew it.
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"Embrace the establishment" -- wow, this is rich @edpc . You were among the most vocal complaining that he's not working well with others.
Now that he's trying to work with the Congress he's been dealt you're complaining he's not anti-establishment enough.
The only thing that doesn't change with your opinions is your pure hate for the President and your use of every turn of events to spew it.
He does not work well with others. One of his first actions was to attack the Freedom Caucus, who blocked what was sure to be a disastrous Obamacare replacement plan from Republicans. Then, he bitched about an omnibus bill his administration helped craft. Now that he has wasted two years, he wants to blame the former leadership he had a wholeheartedly embraced. My opinion of him does not change, because he is an abject fraud.
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Here’s the problem: Trump initially entered the campaign as an anti-establishment candidate. The first thing he did, after being elected, is embrace the establishment.
And the second thing he did was piss off absolutely everyone he would need at his back.
He has no one to blame but himself, for the current political predicament.
Oh heck yeah - That's right.
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Agree 100%.
I'd vote for it. (TEXIT 2030?)
Only if you rename the Gulf of Mexico. Change it to the Gulf of Texas and give citizenship to those of us working here, and I'm all in.
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Only if you rename the Gulf of Mexico. Change it to the Gulf of Texas and give citizenship to those of us working here, and I'm all in.
Now wait just a damn minute. The Gulf renaming affects Florida too.
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Only if you rename the Gulf of Mexico. Change it to the Gulf of Texas and give citizenship to those of us working here, and I'm all in.
You will have to pass a citizenship test.
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Only if you rename the Gulf of Mexico. Change it to the Gulf of Texas and give citizenship to those of us working here, and I'm all in.
There should also be a provision that you guys have to keep Sheila Jackson Lee.
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Now wait just a damn minute. The Gulf renaming affects Florida too.
There’s already a Gulf of Florida – right between those choppers.
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Here’s the problem: Trump initially entered the campaign as an anti-establishment candidate. The first thing he did, after being elected, is embrace the establishment. He has no one to blame but himself, for the current political predicament.
@edpc
You blame him? He was basically alone with no allies other than the voters,and we all know the voters have zero influence once an election is over. He needed support,and the ONLY place to get it was from establishment pols.
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Here’s the problem: Trump initially entered the campaign as an anti-establishment candidate. The first thing he did, after being elected, is embrace the establishment. He has no one to blame but himself, for the current political predicament.
It was two years ago that Trump entered the campaign. You gotta reach back that far?
Look, he embraced the establishment as you put it – maybe as you would have done too – because he needed to rapidly fill hundreds of top level positions in his new administration. He wasn’t a DC insider, he had no way of knowing who the good hires were. And without enough connections in Washington to put together a working administration, he had to rely on the few RNC people willing to work with him to screen and hire top people.
You go ahead and try it. You’ve just been elected President of the United States. Now...immediately fill thousands of positions. Let’s see what your success rate at hiring quality employees would be.
Notice that most of the early hires are gone now. And Trump’s doing fine now with no help from you.
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And Trump’s doing fine now with no help from you.
Sure he is. He is fighting for his political life, due to inaction and terrible political instincts. It’s entirely self-inflicted.
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Look, he embraced the establishment as you put it – maybe as you would have done too – because he needed to rapidly fill hundreds of top level positions in his new administration. He wasn’t a DC insider, he had no way of knowing who the good hires were. And without enough connections in Washington to put together a working administration, he had to rely on the few RNC people willing to work with him to screen and hire top people.
You go ahead and try it. You’ve just been elected President of the United States. Now...immediately fill thousands of positions. Let’s see what your success rate at hiring quality employees would be.
Total fail.
He isn't a political outsider - Many of these are his friends.
He wasn't alone. He had a political machine built way ahead of time.
Part of that machine is a research arm, weighing potential.
After the win, that research branch would immediately begin vetting hires, with nearly 90 days to do it (during transition), if it wasn't already done ahead of time, as the candidate was looking like a win for some months.
Only an idiot would walk into the most powerful position in the world empty handed...
But if that's the way you see it... :shrug:
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Now wait just a damn minute. The Gulf renaming affects Florida too.
Sorry honey, Florida doesn't allow drilling.
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You will have to pass a citizenship test.
Does that involve knowing where the best BBQ joints are?
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Here’s the problem: Trump initially entered the campaign as an anti-establishment candidate. The first thing he did, after being elected, is embrace the establishment. He has no one to blame but himself, for the current political predicament.
Entered? Hardly. Trump didn't jump on board with all the 'Drain the Swamp' rhetoric until a few weeks before election day. Up until then, he had saved Mitch McConnell's political career, allowed the GOPe to stack the Convention and re-write all the rules in their favor, and most importantly, destroy the biggest enemy the Establishment had - Ted Cruz.
But once elected, he demonstrated his allegiance to the establishment by naming Reince Priebus as his Chief of Staff while giving free reign to the GOPe to tighten their power over the State parties. And then there's Paul Manafort, the man who torpedoed Ronald Reagan's candidacy in 1976. Can't get more establishment than that.
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Does that involve knowing where the best BBQ joints are?
And Mexican food joints as well.
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Does that involve knowing where the best BBQ joints are?
Couldn't hurt....
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Couldn't hurt....
This one is fantastic. Stanley's BBQ in Tyler (https://stanleysfamous.com/).
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When I ate there, I accidentally dribbled some sauce on my shirt. I am never washing that shirt again.
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And Mexican food joints as well.
You mean with real enchiladas? Stacked? Fry a tortilla, top it with sauce, then another tortilla, more sauce, tortilla, sauce, etc.
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This one is fantastic. Stanley's BBQ in Tyler (https://stanleysfamous.com/).
(https://stanleysfamous.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/Texas-BBBQ-Sauce-Stanleys-Famous-Tyler-BBQ-Texas-BBQ.png)
When I ate there, I accidentally dribbled some sauce on my shirt. I am never washing that shirt again.
I recommend Railhead Smokehouse in Ft. Worth too.
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You mean with real enchiladas? Stacked? Fry a tortilla, top it with sauce, then another tortilla, more sauce, tortilla, sauce, etc.
Damn you're gonna make me break my diet...
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Does that involve knowing where the best BBQ joints are?
Of course. You're in.
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Entered? Hardly. Trump didn't jump on board with all the 'Drain the Swamp' rhetoric until a few weeks before election day. Up until then, he had saved Mitch McConnell's political career, allowed the GOPe to stack the Convention and re-write all the rules in their favor, and most importantly, destroy the biggest enemy the Establishment had - Ted Cruz.
But once elected, he demonstrated his allegiance to the establishment by naming Reince Priebus as his Chief of Staff while giving free reign to the GOPe to tighten their power over the State parties. And then there's Paul Manafort, the man who torpedoed Ronald Reagan's candidacy in 1976. Can't get more establishment than that.
I could’ve sworn he called the Colorado primary rigged and the GOP corrupt, during the early campaign.
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Sure he is. He is fighting for his political life, due to inaction and terrible political instincts. It’s entirely self-inflicted.
Last I heard he's giving sex tours of the White House... :whistle:
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Last I heard he's giving sex tours of the White House... :whistle:
Somehow I really fail to see any humor.
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Somehow I really fail to see any humor.
Trump’s their ball of yarn when they get bored.
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Trump’s their ball of yarn when they get bored.
You can't just disagree with one poster, can you? You have to tar and feather an entire group with a specious attack.
Pathetic. *****rollingeyes*****
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You can't just disagree with one poster, can you? You have to tar and feather an entire group with a specious attack.
Pathetic. *****rollingeyes*****
So ... you consider yourself 'they' @musiclady ??? Were you mentioned?
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You can't just disagree with one poster, can you? You have to tar and feather an entire group with a specious attack.
Pathetic. *****rollingeyes*****
What's really pathetic is the abysmal disloyalty of Trump supporters who cannot stand by the President through a small setback ... one for which others were mostly to blame.
He's not the most elegant or eloquent guy but he is, by far, the most conservative President we've had in a coon's age. (can I say that?)
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Last I heard he's giving sex tours of the White House... :whistle:
I reported you to the mods for this distasteful and unacceptable post.
Yes, I am a tattle-tale. Deal with it.
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I reported you to the mods for this distasteful and unacceptable post.
Yes, I am a tattle-tale. Deal with it.
What was distasteful and unacceptable about it? It was a news headline that day.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-gives-white-house-tours-of-where-clinton-and-lewinsky-had-sex-report (https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-gives-white-house-tours-of-where-clinton-and-lewinsky-had-sex-report)
Tattle tale...? LOL! How precious.