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Re: Drudge: Shutdown Agreement reached
« Reply #325 on: January 25, 2019, 09:19:40 pm »
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Re: Drudge: Shutdown Agreement reached
« Reply #326 on: January 25, 2019, 09:19:49 pm »
   @Emjay don't go away just realize that some here always saw through the BS that was Trump INC., and never shared the Hope you have.  It's not a Hate thing and it's not wishing him to fail it's just that we always looked at him differently than some, as you, do.
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Re: Drudge: Shutdown Agreement reached
« Reply #327 on: January 25, 2019, 09:20:08 pm »
I suspect Romney was the lead backstabber.

You mean Mitt McCain?   Hell yeah, he was.
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Re: Drudge: Shutdown Agreement reached
« Reply #328 on: January 25, 2019, 09:20:43 pm »
@Sanguine   Trump making a decision to end the shutdown, which, rightly or wrongly, was hurting his cause is not going along to get along.

It's living to fight another day.  I think Trump rightly decided he could get nothing done during a shut down.

It is totally in our interest to support Trump, even if we don't like him and even if we disagree with some things he does.

He is our border, our boundary against the truly evil people on the other side.

Your stance leads to the following question: which hill, if not the wall/border security (the issue he was elected on), is he willing to die on?

Or is it all puffery?
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Re: Drudge: Shutdown Agreement reached
« Reply #329 on: January 25, 2019, 09:20:52 pm »
Trump lost, huge.  And in this instance his loss is also the country's loss.

The man who was going to drain the swamp was instead overcome by it.  People can disagree about who defeated him - Pelosi, gutless Congressional Republicans, the six R Senators, the media, etc.  But whoever defeated him, he was defeated on his signature issue.

Naive faith that he has a plan, he knows how to build walls, he never quits, is simply whistling past the graveyard by those who can't admit that they backed a losing horse who loudly proclaimed himself a winner.

Exactly what leverage does Trump now have to get the wall built?  Yes he could make bellicose statements that he'll let the government close down in February and *keep* it closed down.  But what would make the Democrats, the gutless Congressional Republicans, or the media operate any differently next time?  Why would there be a different outcome?

He can still declare a national emergency, and I hope he will.  But we all know that would immediately be stayed by a Federal Court.  The time required for that question to work through the Federal Judiciary will occupy the remainder of his term, and there is no guarantee the Roberts-led USSC would rule in Trump's favor.

Yes, he is better than a Democrat president.  Yes, he has put two Constitutionalists on the USSC.  Yes, he has taken a clear position against regulation.   Yes, the market boomed after his election.  But his signature issue, the reason he ran, was The Wall and he lost it.  It is now proven empirically that he is not capable of doing what he said, and what many believed, he could do.

If he runs again I'll most likely vote for him, but my bet is that his administration is essentially finished.

That was a thoughtful post.  I disagree with points but I understand your point of view.  I am heartened that when backed into a corner President Trump was capable of seeing reality and limited the damage to 35 days without pushing the red button of "national emergency."  I honestly wasn't sure he wouldn't.

Anything that can be accomplished by one President can be undone by one President when Trump resigns, is forced from office by impeachment, or succumbs to an artery clogged BigMac heart attack.  It is however disheartening to see just what a crappy deal maker President Trump exposed.

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Re: Drudge: Shutdown Agreement reached
« Reply #330 on: January 25, 2019, 09:21:21 pm »
Lol..... well right about now, I could use some herbal "help" understanding it.   wink777

I got mine right here.  Nevada is right across the river....
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Re: Drudge: Shutdown Agreement reached
« Reply #331 on: January 25, 2019, 09:23:13 pm »
Regardless of what I hear or read from the American media, I have learned that they never tell the whole story. They only tell 'their' story. And I also know that as silly as he may seem, to never underestimate Trump. People have lost a lot by doing that in the past. I am willing to wait and see.

What we hear today, will not be what is being said next week. And even that will be different a month from now.
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Re: Drudge: Shutdown Agreement reached
« Reply #332 on: January 25, 2019, 09:23:49 pm »
I got mine right here.  Nevada is right across the river....

Dammit.  While I do love Texas and would never move.... I might have to force myself to take a little trip (pardon pun)....lololol.

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Re: Drudge: Shutdown Agreement reached
« Reply #333 on: January 25, 2019, 09:23:50 pm »
Calexit

Right after Kamala Harris becomes the Dem pick for 2020.

She will no longer be a U.S citizen....
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Re: Drudge: Shutdown Agreement reached
« Reply #334 on: January 25, 2019, 09:24:44 pm »
   Out of sheer force of habit I keep lighting these Winston's instead of my pipe.
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Re: Drudge: Shutdown Agreement reached
« Reply #335 on: January 25, 2019, 09:24:54 pm »
Newsman: Sir, why are you running?
Reporter #1: Why are you running?
Reporter #2: Are you doing this for world peace?
Reporter #3: Are you doing this for women's right?
Newsman: Or for the environment?
Reporter #1: Or for animals?
Reporter #3: Or for nuclear arms?
Forrest TRUMP: [narrating] They just couldn't believe that somebody would do all that running for no particular reason.
Reporter #2: Why are you doing this?
Forrest TRUMP: I just felt like running.

FWIW, I've been to the spot where Forrest stopped running. It's between Monument Valley and Mexican Hat. Incredible beauty in that area of the country.

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Re: Drudge: Shutdown Agreement reached
« Reply #336 on: January 25, 2019, 09:26:22 pm »
Regardless of what I hear or read from the American media, I have learned that they never tell the whole story. They only tell 'their' story. And I also know that as silly as he may seem, to never underestimate Trump. People have lost a lot by doing that in the past. I am willing to wait and see.

What we hear today, will not be what is being said next week. And even that will be different a month from now.
Whatever happens, they NEED better messaging.

Every time there's a shutdown it plays into the Democrats' hands, and they know it. They WANT the shutdown. It's a paid vacation for countless federal workers (a big contingency for them) and a chance to play the victim.

Besides, after they forced Obamacare upon us in 2013 even though it's the House that writes the budget bills, the Dems owe the GOP. Not that they'd concede willingly, but that's what the people need to hear.

And to think... messaging, albeit in a way that broke all the conventions of messaging, is one of the Trump administration's strengths.
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Re: Drudge: Shutdown Agreement reached
« Reply #337 on: January 25, 2019, 09:26:50 pm »
Calexit

Right after Kamala Harris becomes the Dem pick for 2020.

She will no longer be a U.S citizen....
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Re: Drudge: Shutdown Agreement reached
« Reply #338 on: January 25, 2019, 09:27:24 pm »
FWIW, I've been to the spot where Forrest stopped running. It's between Monument Valley and Mexican Hat. Incredible beauty in that area of the country.

I've seen it too.
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Re: Drudge: Shutdown Agreement reached
« Reply #339 on: January 25, 2019, 09:29:32 pm »
Why can't you see that your post is nothing but a death wish @HoustonSam ????

Trump hasn't handled this issue exactly as you wanted so you decide to cave to the dark side?

And I mean dark, beyond anything you can imagine.

Did you not read the entirety of @HoustonSam 's post? The sentence where he said he'd likely vote for Trump again?

I get it: if you're not fully on the Trump Train, then in your eyes, and those of the Trump Brigade, you're to be found on the dark side.

So tell me, now that Trump has caved on his "signature issue", where do we go from here? @Emjay
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Re: Drudge: Shutdown Agreement reached
« Reply #340 on: January 25, 2019, 09:30:41 pm »
That was a thoughtful post.  I disagree with points but I understand your point of view.

Thank you @Once-Ler for your gracious reply.
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Re: Drudge: Shutdown Agreement reached
« Reply #341 on: January 25, 2019, 09:33:31 pm »
@Night Hides Not

The irony that he stops running in the middle of...nowhere.
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Re: Drudge: Shutdown Agreement reached
« Reply #342 on: January 25, 2019, 09:36:10 pm »
So ... again... why in the heck did he wait till he no loner had the majority in the House?? He should have made the push  much sooner and now WE lost!  WE lost big time.  No wall.  Illegals continue to pour across the border.  I hate to see what's in store for this country once the DEMS have full control.  It truly is a sad day.

Why did Trump call in the media and make such a circus??

Why didn't he call a national emergency long ago??   So many things he could have done and didn't. I continue to question why, just as I continue to ask why he appointed Rosenstein; sure seems like he did so to protect the left.

I'll be watching the SOTU ... only to hear what he will try to sell ...certainly not the wall.  Perhaps he'll be announcing he's stepping down.  That's just my guess.

No, I never wanted him to fail, not in the least.  I still see it as he stomped on the true conservative that was running and perhaps that was his purpose ...  no wall...illegal immigration is still an issue and amnesty is just around the corner... meanwhile Hillary still runs around free. 

I am disgusted.  The GOP had their chance and they blew it BIGLY!!!!!  **nononono*
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« Reply #343 on: January 25, 2019, 09:40:16 pm »
So ... again... why in the heck did he wait till he no loner had the majority in the House?? He should have made the push  much sooner and now WE lost!  WE lost big time.  No wall.  Illegals continue to pour across the border.  I hate to see what's in store for this country once the DEMS have full control.  It truly is a sad day.

Why did Trump call in the media and make such a circus??

Why didn't he call a national emergency long ago??   So many things he could have done and didn't. I continue to question why, just as I continue to ask why he appointed Rosenstein; sure seems like he did so to protect the left.

I'll be watching the SOTU ... only to hear what he will try to sell ...certainly not the wall.  Perhaps he'll be announcing he's stepping down.  That's just my guess.

No, I never wanted him to fail, not in the least.  I still see it as he stomped on the true conservative that was running and perhaps that was his purpose ...  no wall...illegal immigration is still an issue and amnesty is just around the corner... meanwhile Hillary still runs around free. 

I am disgusted.  The GOP had their chance and they blew it BIGLY!!!!!  **nononono*

It is that "snatch defeat from the jaws of victory" thing.
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Re: Drudge: Shutdown Agreement reached
« Reply #344 on: January 25, 2019, 09:40:58 pm »
   Perhaps @libertybele it's because his Core Advisor Group (read: Family) never wanted a Wall.
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Re: Drudge: Shutdown Agreement reached
« Reply #345 on: January 25, 2019, 09:43:45 pm »
@Night Hides Not

The irony that he stops running in the middle of...nowhere.


LOL, that area qualifies as the "middle of nowhere." However, the star gazing at night is unbelievable.
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Re: Drudge: Shutdown Agreement reached
« Reply #346 on: January 25, 2019, 09:45:19 pm »
The Senate passed legislation Friday to end the longest government shutdown ever.

The vote sends the measure to the House, which is expected to approve it quickly. President Donald Trump pledged to sign the proposal into law Friday. The bill funds the government for three weeks, until Feb. 15, while lawmakers try to reach a wider deal on immigration.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/25/senate-votes-to-reopen-government-and-end-shutdown-without-border-wall.html

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Re: Drudge: Shutdown Agreement reached
« Reply #347 on: January 25, 2019, 09:45:29 pm »
So ... again... why in the heck did he wait till he no loner had the majority in the House?? He should have made the push  much sooner and now WE lost!  WE lost big time.  No wall.  Illegals continue to pour across the border.  I hate to see what's in store for this country once the DEMS have full control.  It truly is a sad day.

Why did Trump call in the media and make such a circus??

Why didn't he call a national emergency long ago??   So many things he could have done and didn't. I continue to question why, just as I continue to ask why he appointed Rosenstein; sure seems like he did so to protect the left.

I'll be watching the SOTU ... only to hear what he will try to sell ...certainly not the wall.  Perhaps he'll be announcing he's stepping down.  That's just my guess.

No, I never wanted him to fail, not in the least.  I still see it as he stomped on the true conservative that was running and perhaps that was his purpose ...  no wall...illegal immigration is still an issue and amnesty is just around the corner... meanwhile Hillary still runs around free. 

I am disgusted.  The GOP had their chance and they blew it BIGLY!!!!!  **nononono*

I'm afraid the answer to all that is Trump and the GOP didn't really want the wall in the first place, just the issue.  Now they don't even have that.
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Re: Drudge: Shutdown Agreement reached
« Reply #348 on: January 25, 2019, 09:47:04 pm »
   Perhaps @libertybele it's because his Core Advisor Group (read: Family) never wanted a Wall.

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Re: Drudge: Shutdown Agreement reached
« Reply #349 on: January 25, 2019, 09:47:39 pm »
Senate just passed the bill to re-open the government.
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