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THIS IS THE 2ND OF TWO POLLS.
AGAIN, AS IN THE LAST ONE, ONLY ONE VOTE FOR MEMBER.
THESE ARE MEMBER ONLY POLLS.
WE MAY OPEN THEM TO GUESTS IN A WEEK. :patriot:
YOU MAY DISCUSS THIS POLL ON THIS THREAD, AS LONG AS IT STAYS CIVIL :police:
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It would be like voting for a Liberal, and that is NOT what I want!!!
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I don't know. Either way, I will vote against Clintoon. Can I vote for Trump? I honestly don't know.
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It really shouldn't be difficult to stay civil. 3-2-1...
I hope everyone tries.
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I would hope convention delegates do not put me in this position to vote against my conservative principles.
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Does 'Third Party' fit with the down ticket option?
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Nope.
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I would write in Ted Cruz
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SORRY I WAS COPYING AND PASTING.
I fixed it for write in. Sorry about that.
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I call Shenanigans!
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(this is fun)
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I call Shenanigans!
LOL , HEy I did the Cruz poll first 13291
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Yes, but that choice was missing.
I fixed it I fixed it!
if you voted already, not sure i can fix it, unless i reset the whole thing 8888crybaby
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I would write in Cruz also.
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Sorry, I just can't do it.
I won't write-in anybody (I've yet to see anyone pull off a successful write-in campaign without the benefit of being the incumbent, especially with an election that large) but I will seriously look at the third party candidates and if one is impressive enough I'll cast my vote for them.
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I'm certain not to vote for Trump, and equally certain to vote for Pat Toomey, so "vote down ticket" is my "official" poll response. As for President, I'll vote Libertarian if my vote doesn't matter, and do what I have to do if it does.
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Since I live in Illinois and if Trump is the nominee, it won't matter. I'll vote Libertarian and vote GOP for the Senate and the House.. Even though I don't like Mark Kirk.
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Trump's 37% ceiling holds true even in here.
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If Bernie won I would vote for Trump. With Hillary I will probably go third party. So I didn't vote.
I hate Bernie beyond anything.
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Trump's 37% ceiling holds true even in here.
It looks like we are pretty reflective of the overall right.
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SORRY I WAS COPYING AND PASTING.
I fixed it for write in. Sorry about that.
Respectfully does it bother you that even in this early juncture that Trump is morphing left before your eyes? (Taxes and Transgender) Just wait until the general election. There was a reason that the Off the record NYT interview is Trump's most guarded secret.
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Trump's 37% ceiling holds true even in here.
I disagree.
I am watching both polls. What I see are member anti trump votes here.
Then on the Cruz thread, I most all the trump people and others, that will hold their nose and vote for cruz.k
plus dont forget.. There are only about 10 of us here :thud:
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Trump's 37% ceiling holds true even in here.
At the moment 13 of 39. Seems so.
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I would hope convention delegates do not put me in this position to vote against my conservative principles.
That's where I am.
I'm not committed to NeverTrump yet because I still have a modicum of faith in the Republican delegates that they will not nominate a Progressive leftist as the Republican nominee.
That said, someone would have to inject a drug into my system to make me punch the ballot for someone as despicable as Donald J. Trump.......
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plus dont forget.. There are only about 10 of us here :thud:
Which may be pretty representative of the GOP/conservative landscape overall.
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I disagree.
I am watching both polls. What I see are member anti trump votes here.
Then on the Cruz thread, I most all the trump people and others, that will hold their nose and vote for cruz.k
plus dont forget.. There are only about 10 of us here :thud:
You disagree with a number?
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Which may be pretty representative of the GOP/conservative landscape overall.
True.
Trump supporters are a minority group in the overall GOP/Conservative world. 10 active Trump people here would be at least close to representative of the big picture. In addition, some of Trump's votes have been Democrat crossovers, so his support is actually smaller than it seems.
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Until we have a nominee I'm not ready to make that decision. ....
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This is an outrage. We have a poll for Cruz and Trump but none for Jim Gilmore. All you #NeverGilmore people are thugs!
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What I'm curious about is, who will vote for Hillary.
Not me..
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What I'm curious about is, who will vote for Hillary.
Maybe it's that "Dem plant" who never showed up....... :smokin:
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I would vote for anyone to keep Clinton from the White House.
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It really shouldn't be difficult to stay civil. 3-2-1...
I hope everyone tries.
It shouldn't.
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At the moment 13 of 39. Seems so.
Why did we lose some good members?
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I am not the only one who voted before you fixed it and now my vote is miscast. I will write in Ted Cruz if he is not nominated.
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Why did we lose some good members?
I understand the frustration and irritation at times. I do. But it can cut both ways, can't it? AC is a gentleman and a friend. A dear friend. I hope to chat with him again soon. But, Presidential politics are rough and tumble in a good year. This one is especially so.
And so it is.
Poll after poll indicates a high water mark of about 37% support for DT among likely voters on the right. Thus far, our little poll reflects the same. And I have seen nothing that tells me I should expect otherwise.
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I understand the frustration and irritation at times. I do. But it can cut both ways also, can't it? AC is a gentleman and a friend. A dear friend. I hope to chat with him again soon. But, Presidential politics rough and tumble in a good year. This one is especially so. And so it is.
Poll after poll indicates a high water mark of about 37% among likely voters on the right. Thus far, our little poll reflects the same. And I have seen nothing that tells me I should expect otherwise.
I can take the abuse, name-calling and insults, but there are others who can't. It is totally unnecessary for members to call others dumbasses, Aholes, retards, cultists, etc.
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I can take the abuse, name-calling and insults, but there are others who can't. It is totally unnecessary for members to call others dumbasses, Aholes, retards, cultists, etc.
Not from me. But I concede it happens far too frequently. And I don't like it. Nor am I perfect. But, my opinion? Too, too many of your posts incite and provoke return fire of poison darts.
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Not from me. But I concede it happens far too frequently. And I don't like it. Nor am I perfect. But, my opinion? Too, too many of your posts incite and provoke return fire of poison darts.
Funny, I can't recall calling other posters here dumbasses or Aholes, nor do I recall you complaining about those who do. My posts incite? How? Because I push back against the vulgar anti-Trumps?
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Funny, I can't recall calling other posters here dumbasses or Aholes, nor do I recall you complaining about those who do. My posts incite? How? Because I push back against the vulgar anti-Trumps?
No, you don't do that. But examine your posts on the welcome thread. Well, they're gone I guess. But they brought zero value except to poke in someone's eye.
Gotta go.
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No, you don't do that. But examine your posts on the welcome thread. Well, they're gone I guess. But they brought zero value except to poke in someone's eye.
Gotta go.
Of course you do.
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The actual option I wanted wasn't there, but option #2 was close enough. I won't stay home - if you don't vote at all then you've consented to whatever the voters themselves do - and I will definitely vote down ticket, but for president I will vote third party, or write myself in if it comes to it.
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I think the results of this poll and the other poll should be giving certain people a lot of reason to think very long, and very hard, about continuing to support Trump for the nomination. Electability is crucial, and seems to be something Trump is sorely lacking.
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And Trump's 37% ceiling continues to hold.
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Of course you do.
I did. I was at Midway Airport. It was intended as a courtesy.
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In the first election in my 40 years of voting, I would write-in a name. Trump is not only a Liberal - but he is also dangerous.
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In the first election in my 40 years of voting, I would write-in a name.
Might I suggest a name to write in.....
Jim Hedges- Prohibition Party
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Trump blew it with me when he attack Scott Walker's gubanatorial record. That's basically saying you're not a Republican or a conservative.
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I would vote for anyone to keep Clinton from the White House.
Including Sanders?
Or a Clinton Clone like Trumpj?
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Trump blew it with me when he attack Scott Walker's gubanatorial record. That's basically saying you're not a Republican or a conservative.
Me too.
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Trump blew it with me when he attack Scott Walker's gubanatorial record. That's basically saying you're not a Republican or a conservative.
That was just another brick in the wall.
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That was just another brick in the wall.
True, that particular episode though was personal because it was a neighboring state, and Walker went out to slay a dragon that has hold over a number of states in this part of the country.
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True, that particular episode though was personal because it was a neighboring state, and Walker went out to slay a dragon that has hold over a number of states in this part of the country.
Walker was, and is, amazing for what he's been able to accomplish given where he is. I'd like to see him as president.
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Walker was, and is, amazing for what he's been able to accomplish given where he is. I'd like to see him as president.
I would like to see him as VP.
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I wish one of the options were,"If you're drunk on election night and are feeling in a joking mood with a firearm to your back?"
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Walker was, and is, amazing for what he's been able to accomplish given where he is. I'd like to see him as president.
I am from Wisconsin. I saw it firsthand with family, relatives, friends. I saw it in the local media. It was the quintessential face-off between Left and Right. The man never flinched or blinked. Same with the recall election.
We can't forget or deny how extraordinary it was.
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I am from Wisconsin. I saw it firsthand with family, relatives, friends. I saw it in the local media. It was the quintessential face-off between Left and Right. The man never flinched or blinked. Same with the recall election.
We can't forget or deny how extraordinary it was.
He was one of my favorites at the start. Why do you think he did so poorly, got out so fast?
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He was one of my favorites at the start. Why do you think he did so poorly, got out so fast?
Personality. He has the charisma of an eggplant. He had a rough start and couldn't get his feet under him. I suspect his people told him he wasn't getting traction so he dropped out.
Hope you are well t_s.
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Including Sanders?
Or a Clinton Clone like Trumpj?
If Sanders is the dim candidate it means Hillary is gone. Hopefully being charged, convicted and imprisoned.
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Me too.
Yet Walker has stated he will support Trump if he is the GOP nominee.
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I changed my vote to support Trump if he's the nominee. Frankly I'm tired of the whole Cruz vs. Trump thing.
I still support Cruz over Trump but the level of vitriol aimed at members of the same side is self-destructive IMO.
That being said, Cruz is still the best candidate and I hope he wins in June. But if he doesn't I'll go with Trump.
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Yet Walker has stated he will support Trump if he is the GOP nominee.
True
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Personality. He has the charisma of an eggplant. He had a rough start and couldn't get his feet under him. I suspect his people told him he wasn't getting traction so he dropped out.
Hope you are well t_s.
"Charisma of an eggplant." I love that. Hope all is well with you as well.
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I changed my vote to support Trump if he's the nominee. Frankly I'm tired of the whole Cruz vs. Trump thing.
I still support Cruz over Trump but the level of vitriol aimed at members of the same side is self-destructive IMO.
That being said, Cruz is still the best candidate and I hope he wins in June. But if he doesn't I'll go with Trump.
Good to see some Republicans using common sense.
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Depends on how he campaigns in the general. I think he may run to the left of Hillary--if so I won't vote for him.
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Depends on how he campaigns in the general. I think he may run to the left of Hillary--if so I won't vote for him.
Trust me. He will NOT "run to the left" of Hillary.
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Trust me. He will NOT "run to the left" of Hillary.
You mean he's already there?
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You mean he's already there?
Pretty much............
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Trust me. He will NOT "run to the left" of Hillary.
They are serving some pretty strong Kool-aid at those Trump rallies.
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True.
Trump supporters are a minority group in the overall GOP/Conservative world. 10 active Trump people here would be at least close to representative of the big picture. In addition, some of Trump's votes have been Democrat crossovers, so his support is actually smaller than it seems.
Conservatives are the minority group in the overall GOP world. Don't judge the outside world by the bubble here. And yes, some of Trump's voters have been Democrat crossovers. They're the Reagan Democrat legacy--and they are and should be welcome because they're the voters who help the minority party, the GOP, win a national election.
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You mean he's already there?
Hillary is proposing state reciprocity for for concealed carry, correct? :facepalm2:
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I refused to vote for Romney in 2012, leaving the top spot blank and voting for Conservatives down ticket. I remember all the GOP types telling me not voting for Romney was a vote for Obama blah blah blah...
This year Trump makes Romney look like a true Conservative and many folks whom I used to think were fellow Conservatives are telling that by not voting for Trump I am voting for Hilliary blah blah blah....
It seems that the political process has devolved into nothing more than two groups rooting for their favorite team and winning is far more satisfying than having core immutable Conservative beliefs.
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I refused to vote for Romney in 2012, leaving the top spot blank and voting for Conservatives down ticket. I remember all the GOP types telling me not voting for Romney was a vote for Obama blah blah blah...
Well I agree with them in that case. You really have no right to complain about Obama if you left the Presidential ticket blank in 2012. Just saying.
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Well I agree with them in that case. You really have no right to complain about Obama if you left the Presidential ticket blank in 2012. Just saying.
We are in agreement on that.
Same now - I don't care who you are, if you promote NeverTrump when Trump is the nominee - you are helping Hillary Clinton.
NeverHillary is where all of us should be.
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Well I agree with them in that case. You really have no right to complain about Obama if you left the Presidential ticket blank in 2012. Just saying.
I'll always complain about a liberal.
That being said, I have no illusions that who ever is elected President is going to make much difference. The reason the country is in the shape its in is in my view not because of the political leaders that have been elected but because as a culture we have lost our moral foundation. When I grew up people did the right thing day in and day out with no recognition or reward because the values of hard work and self reliance had been ingrained in them since birth.
Today it seems that the attitude is that if I vote for my team every four years and we win and everything will be better. That philosophy has not worked out very well, change can only happen from the bottom up. Conservatives who think the top of the ticket is going to make any meaningful change to the culture are just as deluded as libs who think the government giving them free stuff well make their lives better.
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We are in agreement on that.
Same now - I don't care who you are, if you promote NeverTrump when Trump is the nominee - you are helping Hillary Clinton.
NeverHillary is where all of us should be.
If a terrorist gives me a gun and tells me to shoot one hostage or else he'll shoot all 100, does that make me the murderer of the 100 if I refuse to shoot the 1?
Just so, if I refuse to vote for STrump that does not make me a voter for Clinton. To become a murderer I have to commit an actual murder, and to become a Clinton voter I must actually cast a vote for Clinton. Nothing else will do.
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Well I agree with them in that case. You really have no right to complain about Obama if you left the Presidential ticket blank in 2012. Just saying.
I'll always complain about a liberal.
That being said, I have no illusions that who ever is elected President is going to make much difference. The reason the country is in the shape its in is in my view not because of the political leaders that have been elected but because as a culture we have lost our moral foundation. When I grew up people did the right thing day in and day out with no recognition or reward because the values of hard work and self reliance had been ingrained in them since birth.
Today it seems that the attitude is that if I vote for my team every four years and we win and everything will be better. That philosophy has not worked out very well, change can only happen from the bottom up. Conservatives who think the top of the ticket is going to make any meaningful change to the culture are just as deluded as libs who think the government giving them free stuff well make their lives better.
I've been screaming this for years. Just like the Fed court ruling in favor of the NC voter ID law today, states have lots of power to change the country if citizens would just focus there rather than the President.
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Well I agree with them in that case. You really have no right to complain about Obama if you left the Presidential ticket blank in 2012. Just saying.
I'll always complain about a liberal.
That being said, I have no illusions that who ever is elected President is going to make much difference. The reason the country is in the shape its in is in my view not because of the political leaders that have been elected but because as a culture we have lost our moral foundation. When I grew up people did the right thing day in and day out with no recognition or reward because the values of hard work and self reliance had been ingrained in them since birth.
Today it seems that the attitude is that if I vote for my team every four years and we win and everything will be better. That philosophy has not worked out very well, change can only happen from the bottom up. Conservatives who think the top of the ticket is going to make any meaningful change to the culture are just as deluded as libs who think the government giving them free stuff well make their lives better.
GOP owns from the bottom up. We have a record majority at state and local levels.
President appoints USSC, period. That's why bottom up ain't good enough any more. We need the Presidency to appoint better judges and justices. Also the President has enormous, enormous power in a federal republic.
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If a terrorist gives me a gun and tells me to shoot one hostage or else he'll shoot all 100, does that make me the murderer of the 100 if I refuse to shoot the 1?
Just so, if I refuse to vote for STrump that does not make me a voter for Clinton. To become a murderer I have to commit an actual murder, and to become a Clinton voter I must actually cast a vote for Clinton. Nothing else will do.
It doesn't make you the murderer of the 100 - but it makes you a pretty bad mathematician.
You have the power to save the lives of 99 people if you kill one. Why would you not take that chance? And, at the same time - maybe when they give you the gun to shoot the one - you can figure out a way to shoot one of them instead, or create a chaos event where you might have a better chance of survival. When you give up the power to shoot that gun - you give up your power.
I wasn't calling anyone a Clinton voter - I said that to not vote for the nominee is to help Hillary. A Clinton helper. Blame the GOP for not instilling loyalty and trust - and that's a righteous blame - but you still have a vote. And by saying there would be no difference in a Clinton or Trump presidency - OR those who say Trump would be worse....I would say to you that you are bad mathematicians.
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There are no doubt good reasons for others to hold their nose and vote for the lesser of two evils, but those reasons don't work for me.
I'll vote for a Conservative or I'll leave the ballot for that office blank.
YMMV
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It doesn't make you the murderer of the 100 - but it makes you a pretty bad mathematician.
You have the power to save the lives of 99 people if you kill one. Why would you not take that chance? And, at the same time - maybe when they give you the gun to shoot the one - you can figure out a way to shoot one of them instead, or create a chaos event where you might have a better chance of survival. When you give up the power to shoot that gun - you give up your power.
I wasn't calling anyone a Clinton voter - I said that to not vote for the nominee is to help Hillary. A Clinton helper. Blame the GOP for not instilling loyalty and trust - and that's a righteous blame - but you still have a vote. And by saying there would be no difference in a Clinton or Trump presidency - OR those who say Trump would be worse....I would say to you that you are bad mathematicians.
And I could say, with some justification, that you Trumpkins have enabled a man who is not qualified for the office, is not fit for the office, has no knowledge of policy, has no moral compass, and who exhibits authoritarian traits. These alone, and there are others I could list, justify my not voting for Trump.
It is YOU who are at fault for foisting this carnival barker on the rest of the GOP. Not voting for Trump is not voting for Trump. Period.
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There are no doubt good reasons for others to hold their nose and vote for the lesser of two evils, but those reasons don't work for me.
I'll vote for a Conservative or I'll leave the ballot for that office blank.
YMMV
You may vote for whomever you wish, but IMO, you forfeit the right to complain about said person if you refused to vote against them.
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It doesn't make you the murderer of the 100 - but it makes you a pretty bad mathematician.
You have the power to save the lives of 99 people if you kill one. Why would you not take that chance? And, at the same time - maybe when they give you the gun to shoot the one - you can figure out a way to shoot one of them instead, or create a chaos event where you might have a better chance of survival. When you give up the power to shoot that gun - you give up your power.
I wasn't calling anyone a Clinton voter - I said that to not vote for the nominee is to help Hillary. A Clinton helper. Blame the GOP for not instilling loyalty and trust - and that's a righteous blame - but you still have a vote. And by saying there would be no difference in a Clinton or Trump presidency - OR those who say Trump would be worse....I would say to you that you are bad mathematicians.
You're trying to dodge the question. Answer it honestly: if I refuse to shoot the one, am I therefore the murderer of the 100? 100 because the terrorist will shoot all of them if I don't shoot the one. Answer it honestly, don't try to dance around it.
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It doesn't make you the murderer of the 100 - but it makes you a pretty bad mathematician.
You have the power to save the lives of 99 people if you kill one. Why would you not take that chance? And, at the same time - maybe when they give you the gun to shoot the one - you can figure out a way to shoot one of them instead, or create a chaos event where you might have a better chance of survival. When you give up the power to shoot that gun - you give up your power.
I wasn't calling anyone a Clinton voter - I said that to not vote for the nominee is to help Hillary. A Clinton helper. Blame the GOP for not instilling loyalty and trust - and that's a righteous blame - but you still have a vote. And by saying there would be no difference in a Clinton or Trump presidency - OR those who say Trump would be worse....I would say to you that you are bad mathematicians.
I don't wish to be a murderer at all. And I don't wish to vote for a liberal, and Trump is essentially liberal lite. His Supreme Court picks wil almost certainly be just as liberal as hers.
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You may vote for whomever you wish, but IMO, you forfeit the right to complain about said person if you refused to vote against them.
I can't imagine anyone caring whether I have a right to complain about anything or anyone. That fact that you do leaves me impressed my my omnipotence :silly:
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I can't imagine anyone caring whether I have a right to complain about anything or anyone. That fact that you do leaves me impressed my my omnipotence :silly:
That's fine, just stating my opinion though.
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That's fine, just stating my opinion though.
I don't mean to come off as a wise ass but this lesser of two evils bs drives me up a wall.
In my view the reason for Trump is that each time the choice is between the lessor of two evils in the next election cycle a more liberal candidate is nominated by the GOP.
Refusing to vote for anyone who is not Conservative is the only way I can see to eventually get a conservative.
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I don't mean to come off as a wise ass but this lesser of two evils bs drives me up a wall.
In my view the reason for Trump is that each time the choice is between the lessor of two evils in the next election cycle a more liberal candidate is nominated by the GOP.
Refusing to vote for anyone who is not Conservative is the only way I can see to eventually get a conservative.
Exactly. Party loyalty only goes but so far.
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I don't mean to come off as a wise ass but this lesser of two evils bs drives me up a wall.
I'm tired of the "conservative purity test" to be honest. Granted Romney was not a good candidate but the GOP is always waiting for this perfect candidate that really doesn't exist.
Shimmering Immaculate Republican Candidate Appears Before GOP Officials
WASHINGTON—Explaining how they froze in place and stared up at the miraculous vision in rapt wonder, members of the Republican Party leadership reported that the shimmering image of an immaculate, ideal GOP presidential candidate appeared before them for a brief moment Friday and hovered in front of the party’s headquarters in Washington.
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William F Buckley said we should nominate the most conservative candidate that can win. The GOP-e forgets the "most conservative" part while the ideological conservatives forget the "can win" part.
IMO that's how we ended up with Trump. And if you look at the polls, Cruz is probably second worst in terms of electability.
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I'm tired of the "conservative purity test" to be honest. Granted Romney was not a good candidate but the GOP is always waiting for this perfect candidate that really doesn't exist.
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William F Buckley said we should nominate the most conservative candidate that can win. The GOP-e forgets the "most conservative" part while the ideological conservatives forget the "can win" part.
IMO that's how we ended up with Trump. And if you look at the polls, Cruz is probably second worst in terms of electability.
Sad but true.
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If Trump wins the first ballot in Cleveland I will vote for him in November provided he names three to four Constitutional Conservative jurists he promises to nominate to SCOTUS when the inevitable openings occur. I think that is the most important historical fallout from this election and if he were to assure me that he would nominate jurists like Scalia/Thomas/Rehquist/Alito to the bench he would have my support.
I think it would be a brilliant move on his part to stand up in his victory speech in Cleveland and flatly state that his first SCOTUS nomination would be Senator Cruz.
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I'm tired of the "conservative purity test" to be honest. Granted Romney was not a good candidate but the GOP is always waiting for this perfect candidate that really doesn't exist.
Some accept Buckley's view that the most conservative candidate is good enough. That view may have worked in the 60's but I don't think it works now. Reagan defined what a winning conservative should be today in my view e.g. Socially Conservative, Fiscally Responsible and in favor of overwhelming Military Superiority.
That doesn't strike me as a purity test but just common sense
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If Trump wins the first ballot in Cleveland I will vote for him in November provided he names three to four Constitutional Conservative jurists he promises to nominate to SCOTUS when the inevitable openings occur. I think that is the most important historical fallout from this election and if he were to assure me that he would nominate jurists like Scalia/Thomas/Rehquist/Alito to the bench he would have my support.
I think it would be a brilliant move on his part to stand up in his victory speech in Cleveland and flatly state that his first SCOTUS nomination would be Senator Cruz.
And can you guarantee that any such promises would not be just more "truthful hyperbole" - a euphemism for lying if ever there was one - to be dropped as soon as is convenient?
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And I could say, with some justification, that you Trumpkins have enabled a man who is not qualified for the office, is not fit for the office, has no knowledge of policy, has no moral compass, and who exhibits authoritarian traits. These alone, and there are others I could list, justify my not voting for Trump.
It is YOU who are at fault for foisting this carnival barker on the rest of the GOP. Not voting for Trump is not voting for Trump. Period.
That is simply your opinion. Opinions are not facts.
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If a terrorist gives me a gun and tells me to shoot one hostage or else he'll shoot all 100, does that make me the murderer of the 100 if I refuse to shoot the 1?
Just so, if I refuse to vote for STrump that does not make me a voter for Clinton. To become a murderer I have to commit an actual murder, and to become a Clinton voter I must actually cast a vote for Clinton. Nothing else will do.
If the terrorist gives you a gun and you don't shoot the SOB, you're just plain stupid.
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You're trying to dodge the question. Answer it honestly: if I refuse to shoot the one, am I therefore the murderer of the 100? 100 because the terrorist will shoot all of them if I don't shoot the one. Answer it honestly, don't try to dance around it.
Not dancing around anything. I answered the question directly.
It doesn't make you the murderer of the 100 - but it makes you a pretty bad mathematician.
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And can you guarantee that any such promises would not be just more "truthful hyperbole" - a euphemism for lying if ever there was one - to be dropped as soon as is convenient?
Why should we believe any politician? Which one has delivered on all his promises?
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A write-in, but not the Canadian Senator from Texas. Darrell Castle/Scott Bradley - Constitution Party.
A pro-American RINO I might vote for, but not for any of the real Republicans presented. 17 candidates and none of them are noticeably better than Hillary, how do they do it? It's such a low bar. :nono:
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And can you guarantee that any such promises would not be just more "truthful hyperbole" - a euphemism for lying if ever there was one - to be dropped as soon as is convenient?
No.
I can guarantee that Hillary will continue to stack the courts with "jurists" who use the Constitution like a cat uses a litter box.
I really wish Hannity or Greta or the Fox and Friends kids would pin Trump down on this. At least somewhere amongst all the time they're feeding him grapes and rubbing him with scented oils.
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No.
I can guarantee that Hillary will continue to stack the courts with "jurists" who use the Constitution like a cat uses a litter box.
I really wish Hannity or Greta or the Fox and Friends kids would pin Trump down on this. At least somewhere amongst all the time they're feeding him grapes and rubbing him with scented oils.
I'm sure they don't want to pin him down on this, Arne. If they asked him and he actually told the truth about his leftist leanings, they'd have to backtrack on their undying devotion to him. It would especially be hard for Hannity who continues to claim he's a principled Conservative while singing the praises of a Progressive liberal.
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A write-in, but not the Canadian Senator from Texas. Darrell Castle/Scott Bradley - Constitution Party.
A pro-American RINO I might vote for, but not for any of the real Republicans presented. 17 candidates and none of them are noticeably better than Hillary, how do they do it? It's such a low bar. :nono:
https://amthirdpartyreport.com/2015/11/03/constitution-partys-virgil-goode-endorses-donald-trump-for-president/
Constitution Party’s Virgil Goode Endorses Donald Trump for President
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Personality. He has the charisma of an eggplant. He had a rough start and couldn't get his feet under him. I suspect his people told him he wasn't getting traction so he dropped out.
Hope you are well t_s.
Walker (or Rick Perry) was my original guy LandO but his demonstrated and successful low-key Midwest competence was going to get smothered as Brother Trump's Traveling Salvation Show started sucking all the oxygen out of everywhere at all times.
It reminded me of Tim Pawlenty's attempt in 2012. He was a very successful governor in Minnesota who beat the lefties at about every turn but couldn't get traction down in Iowa when Michele Bachmann (who I generally like) decided she was going to be the Minnesota choice by being a screeching, anti- Pawlenty banshee.
He demurred, much like Walker. It's too bad, but our elections are becoming freak shows.
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Walker (or Rick Perry) was my original guy LandO but his demonstrated and successful low-key Midwest competence was going to get smothered as Brother Trump's Traveling Salvation Show started sucking all the oxygen out of everywhere at all times.
It reminded me of Tim Pawlenty's attempt in 2012. He was a very successful governor in Minnesota who beat the lefties at about every turn but couldn't get traction down in Iowa when Michele Bachmann (who I generally like) decided she was going to be the Minnesota choice by being a screeching, anti- Pawlenty banshee.
He demurred, much like Walker. It's too bad, but our elections are becoming freak shows.
Well this one certainly is.
And actually, I prefer eggplants to circus freaks.....
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Well this one certainly is.
And actually, I prefer eggplants to circus freaks.....
Racist. :laugh: (melazana) I'm Sicilian.
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Racist. :laugh: (melazana) I'm Sicilian.
And I LOVE Sicilians! Especially if they serve me Parmesan cheese! :laugh:
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We are in agreement on that.
Same now - I don't care who you are, if you promote NeverTrump when Trump is the nominee - you are helping Hillary Clinton.
NeverHillary is where all of us should be.
Spot on!
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NEVER, EVER HILLARY!!!
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Spot on!
There is time for neverHillary. First we have to stop Trump....then we move on to Hillary.
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There is time for neverHillary. First we have to stop Trump....then we move on to Hillary.
Agreed. Since we haven't selected a candidate yet, it's not time to start on Hillary.
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These two polls tell me that Trump supporters on this board will vote for the GOP candidate to keep the Clintons out of the WH, while Cruz supporters really don't give a rip about letting the most corrupt First Couple in history back in charge of the keys to the country.
Fascinating. No wonder Cruz is so unpopular and continues to crash in the polls. He's getting his ASS KICKED TONIGHT!!
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These two polls tell me that Trump supporters on this board will vote for the GOP candidate to keep the Clintons out of the WH, while Cruz supporters really don't give a rip about letting the most corrupt First Couple in history back in charge of the keys to the country.
Fascinating. No wonder Cruz is so unpopular and continues to crash in the polls. He's getting his ASS KICKED TONIGHT!!
Trump has that northeast liberal progressive democrat vote on lockdown. No doubt about that.
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Staying home, voting third party or writing in someone IS a vote for Hillary...think about it.
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NEVER, EVER HILLARY!!!
It's time to face reality, folks - Cruz and Trump are likely both losers to Clinton. Cruz is too extreme, Trump is too crazy. Someone other than Cruz or Trump needs to be chosen at the convention. If you say otherwise, you're not NeverHillary, you're enabling her election.
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If a true constitutional conservative is too extreme, then all hope for this country is lost. It is this attitude of extremism that has given us the liberal court justices, Obama, Hillary and more. It is far past time to get back the roots of this country and base our form government on the founding constitution, not social justice. Don't you think we've had enough RINO's?
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Staying home, voting third party or writing in someone IS a vote for Hillary...think about it.
Nope. Not voting for Trump is just not voting for Trump. Nobody's saying they're voting for Hillary.
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It's time to face reality, folks - Cruz and Trump are likely both losers to Clinton. Cruz is too extreme, Trump is too crazy. Someone other than Cruz or Trump needs to be chosen at the convention. If you say otherwise, you're not NeverHillary, you're enabling her election.
You keep pushing that, Jazz. Cruz isn't too extreme, and we're not going to get behind Kasich.
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You keep pushing that, Jazz. Cruz isn't too extreme, and we're not going to get behind Kasich.
My goodness, Sanguine, did you see Cruz's numbers in the five primaries yesterday? As John Podhoretz said this morning, "It isn't only that the not-Trump vote is failing to coalesce around Cruz; he's going backwards". Cruz is done if he can't win Indiana, and how can Trump's blowout wins in five states not impact how that race will go?
Kasich will leave Cruz alone in Indiana, giving Cruz the one-on-one he wants. But even if Kasich had withdrawn from the primaries yesterday, Cruz still wouldn't have stopped Trump.
I am becoming increasingly resigned to the reality that Trump will need to be stopped in November.
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Nope. Not voting for Trump is just not voting for Trump. Nobody's saying they're voting for Hillary.
To paraphrase Peggy Noonan, the choice this fall will be between a criminal and a crazy person.
No American, no conservative, should have to be forced to make that choice.
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Of course I would vote for Trump instead of staying home or voting Hillary.
Trump will last only one term, and after his performance, conservatives will be shouting from the rooftops to have a conservative in 2020.
Cruz will be only 48 then, still young, and will return with strength, just like Reagan in '80.
Trump is sly enough to consider him also for SC to shore up conservative base he needs.
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My goodness, Sanguine, did you see Cruz's numbers in the five primaries yesterday? As John Podhoretz said this morning, "It isn't only that the not-Trump vote is failing to coalesce around Cruz; he's going backwards". Cruz is done if he can't win Indiana, and how can Trump's blowout wins in five states not impact how that race will go?
Kasich will leave Cruz alone in Indiana, giving Cruz the one-on-one he wants. But even if Kasich had withdrawn from the primaries yesterday, Cruz still wouldn't have stopped Trump.
I am becoming increasingly resigned to the reality that Trump will need to be stopped in November.
Since when would a guy from Texas do well in the Northeast, the backyard of a guy with NY values.
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My goodness, Sanguine, did you see Cruz's numbers in the five primaries yesterday? As John Podhoretz said this morning, "It isn't only that the not-Trump vote is failing to coalesce around Cruz; he's going backwards". Cruz is done if he can't win Indiana, and how can Trump's blowout wins in five states not impact how that race will go?
Kasich will leave Cruz alone in Indiana, giving Cruz the one-on-one he wants. But even if Kasich had withdrawn from the primaries yesterday, Cruz still wouldn't have stopped Trump.
I am becoming increasingly resigned to the reality that Trump will need to be stopped in November.
Yes those liberal northeast states the last bastion of conservative hope. Oh wait...
Seriously acting like those states are important to the core values of conservatives is laughable. But yes Indiana is important.
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I'm gonna start scouting out spots below bridges and overpasses.
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Of course.
It will be a cold day in the hot spot before I'd stay home, let dem'RATS win!
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To paraphrase Peggy Noonan, the choice this fall will be between a criminal and a crazy person.
No American, no conservative, should have to be forced to make that choice.
Yet the choices the GOP has given us over the last several elections wasn't worth voting for either. People sat on their hands knowing full well who would be elected.
Hello President Gun grabber
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I haven't sat out an election since I was old enough to vote. Don't intend to sit this one out either. Am already used to having to hold my nose and vote against the Democrats. This election will be no different.
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Since when would a guy from Texas do well in the Northeast, the backyard of a guy with NY values.
So where exactly besides Texas has the Canadian done well?
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The country can't survive another Clinton in the White House.
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Perhaps not, although if we hold at least one House of Congress, we can minimize the damage except on the Court.
But I'm also not sure we can survive 4 years of Trump. I see him as basically a Rockefeller Republican with a foul mouth. Not only do I think he's likely to start a trade war and crash the economy,, but he'll do it under the mantle of the Republican Party, and we will get the blame. And since he's basically running against the GOP Congress as well, he makes it more likely that we'll lose that too.
I will never vote for Hillary, but if Trump remains who he has shown himself to be during this campaign, I won't vote for him either.
If Hillary wins, we not only lose the SCOTUS for 20 to 40 years, we'll even more importantly lose the 2nd Amendment. That my friend would be the beginning of the end.
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Perhaps not, although if we hold at least one House of Congress, we can minimize the damage except on the Court.
But I'm also not sure we can survive 4 years of Trump. I see him as basically a Rockefeller Republican with a foul mouth. Not only do I think he's likely to start a trade war and crash the economy,, but he'll do it under the mantle of the Republican Party, and we will get the blame. And since he's basically running against the GOP Congress as well, he makes it more likely that we'll lose that too.
I will never vote for Hillary, but if Trump remains who he has shown himself to be during this campaign, I won't vote for him either.
Trump is no Rockefeller Republican. He's a Democrat, plain and simple.
But the foul mouth is certainly accurate........
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If the terrorist gives you a gun and you don't shoot the SOB, you're just plain stupid.
You can't avoid the hypothetical that way. Answer the question, it's just that simple.
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Funny how most of the votes here will not vote for Trump, period, whereas the number on the other poll who wont vote for Cruz, period, is quite small (in absolute terms).
Maybe the STrumpets should think about that, long and hard, and what it says about the essential unelectability of Trump.
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Funny how most of the votes here will not vote for Trump, period, whereas the number on the other poll who wont vote for Cruz, period, is quite small (in absolute terms).
Maybe the STrumpets should think about that, long and hard, and what it says about the essential unelectability of Trump.
They simply write it off as "anti-Trumps are a cult" and go on their merry (oblivious to the truth) way........
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You can't avoid the hypothetical that way. Answer the question, it's just that simple.
I answered the question. I would do what is possible and right, not what is hypothetical.
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I could have voted for most of the original candidates enthusiastically, and some with my nose held. Trump is the exception. He is unfit to serve and has demonstrated this many times.
If Gary Johnson makes the ballot in NC I will fill the oval beside his name. Otherwise, it's gonna have to be a write-in or undervote.
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I could have voted for most of the original candidates enthusiastically, and some with my nose held. Trump is the exception. He is unfit to serve and has demonstrated this many times.
If Gary Johnson makes the ballot in NC I will fill the oval beside his name. Otherwise, it's gonna have to be a write-in or undervote.
For many, Trump is a bridge too far.
We have bent multiple times in the choice we have been given, but now we have to decide if we actually want to break.
I'm not sure I can......
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I will write in Ted Cruz!!!
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I answered the question. I would do what is possible and right, not what is hypothetical.
No you did not. But since you won't we'll add another limit for the sophomoric amongst us. He's standing behind a phalanx of guards wearing full body armor and the gun you have is a .22, just enough to penetrate the geezers skull, but not enough to do more than really piss off any of the terrorists.
You have no clue what the right thing is. But then, I don't expect much from a STrumpet.
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I could have voted for most of the original candidates enthusiastically, and some with my nose held. Trump is the exception. He is unfit to serve and has demonstrated this many times.
If Gary Johnson makes the ballot in NC I will fill the oval beside his name. Otherwise, it's gonna have to be a write-in or undervote.
Exactly. Why the STrumpets chose to throw over people like Walker for a giant annoying orange martinet is beyond me, other than due to an emotional, anti-intellectual need to have an authoritarian daddy-figure to validate their fear and hatred.
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For many, Trump is a bridge too far.
We have bent multiple times in the choice we have been given, but now we have to decide if we actually want to break.
I'm not sure I can......
I know now that I can't. I thought I could initially, but the stench just got too strong and I have no doubt that his policies, such as Supreme Court nominations, will probably be about as liberal as Clintons would be. Why vote for Clinton-lite?
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If Trump is the nominee, I'll most definitely vote down ticket. I don't know yet whether I'll write-in or 3rd party for president.
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If Trump is the nominee, I'll most definitely vote down ticket. I don't know yet whether I'll write-in or 3rd party for president.
Nick... Your avatar is reminiscent of a long-time forum member who moved on for her own reasons a couple years back. She used that very avatar. Welcome!
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Nick... Your avatar is reminiscent of a long-time forum member who moved on for her own reasons a couple years back. She used that very avatar. Welcome!
LOL! Exactly....I jumped in my chair for a moment...thinking Rapunzel had returned.
...which makes me wonder/HOPE that perhaps she and maybe even Howlin might find their way back here.
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LOL! Exactly....I jumped in my chair for a moment...thinking Rapunzel had returned.
...which makes me wonder/HOPE that perhaps she and maybe even Howlin might find their way back here.
And one of my all-time, all-time favorites (after you DC, of course)...
Peach
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And one of my all-time, all-time favorites (after you DC, of course)...
Peach
LOL! OMG....yes!
Hope they're both in good health and ready to jump back in our pool!
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The closest option for me was the "stay home or vote down ticket" option.
If Trump is the nominee, I will vote Libertarian in the presidential race and then vote straight GOP in all the down-ticket races.
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If Hillary wins, we not only lose the SCOTUS for 20 to 40 years, we'll even more importantly lose the 2nd Amendment. That my friend would be the beginning of the end.
Neither Trump nor Hillary are seeking this nations best interest......the only difference is Trump leads the corporate investor activists to fill their pockets.... and Hillary's the current sitting politicians. ....... In the end this is the game.....it's not for leader of this country....it's which of the two entities and their buddies who takes over the revenue flows of this nation to accomadate their monetary interests and investments both in this country and abroad.....and this by increasing tax's....controlling companies via leveraging in threatening ways and means.......
There is no difference in their agendas.....nor their orchestrated targets to continue to generate or take revenues out of the American tax payers pockets...Ones A Political Thug organization..the Other the Mob organization....either way it's still a take over of this country and it's resources to fund their investments and ventures........
So this is really now about two Mob mentalities running against each other to take over......with Cruz trying to stop it.
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No you did not. But since you won't we'll add another limit for the sophomoric amongst us. He's standing behind a phalanx of guards wearing full body armor and the gun you have is a .22, just enough to penetrate the geezers skull, but not enough to do more than really piss off any of the terrorists.
You have no clue what the right thing is. But then, I don't expect much from a STrumpet.
:boring:
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They simply write it off as "anti-Trumps are a cult" and go on their merry (oblivious to the truth) way........
I don't think of you as a cult member at all but, we need to read the writing on the wall.... together.
Hoping we can 'survive' for another 4 to 8 years under Hillary is a scary thought.
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I don't think of you as a cult member at all but, we need to read the writing on the wall.... together.
Hoping we can 'survive' for another 4 to 8 years under Hillary is a scary thought.
If there is only one person on this board who could not possibly join a cult, it would be me. I don't do groupthink. In fact, I enjoy going against the grain, and thinking for myself. I go against the flow......
That said, I'm not sure that 4-8 years under Trump would be in any way better than those same years under Hillary.
They both share the same political ideology, they're both arrogant elitists, they're both control freaks, and they're both mean.
The results under either will be the end of the Republic.
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If there is only one person on this board who could not possibly join a cult, it would be me. I don't do groupthink. In fact, I enjoy going against the grain, and thinking for myself. I go against the flow......
That said, I'm not sure that 4-8 years under Trump would be in any way better than those same years under Hillary.
They both share the same political ideology, they're both arrogant elitists, they're both control freaks, and they're both mean.
The results under either will be the end of the Republic.
The way I see it is Trump has no track record to look at whereas Hilary was a long one. We are at a stage in the politics where both major parties are about the same. Not the voters, the parties.
In order to break this spell they have over the electorate, we must find someone to who can work some magic out side the box. Trump might not be that person but, he's not beholden to either party or the lobbyists.
I didn't vote for Trump in the TX primary but, it's fairly clear that Cruz isn't going to be the nominee. Since both of these candidates claim to be anti-establishment and have garnered most of the votes, I'm pretty confident most of them want what I was describing...a revolution of sorts in the political process.
I feel that if we lose this opportunity, it won't be available later. This current generation mostly believes socialism is the way forward. We need to change their minds NOW!
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The way I see it is Trump has no track record to look at whereas Hilary was a long one. We are at a stage in the politics where both major parties are about the same. Not the voters, the parties.
In order to break this spell they have over the electorate, we must find someone to who can work some magic out side the box. Trump might not be that person but, he's not beholden to either party or the lobbyists.
I didn't vote for Trump in the TX primary but, it's fairly clear that Cruz isn't going to be the nominee. Since both of these candidates claim to be anti-establishment and have garnered most of the votes, I'm pretty confident most of them want what I was describing...a revolution of sorts in the political process.
I feel that if we lose this opportunity, it won't be available later. This current generation mostly believes socialism is the way forward. We need to change their minds NOW!
I have to disagree with you, Wolfcreek. First of all, DT does have a long track record, and it's one of a flamboyant, narcissistic, thin-skinned, belligerent, inconsistently successful, ethically challenged, politically leftish, businessman.
Secondly, not sure why you say Cruz can't win. We always knew this week's primaries were not going to favor Cruz. He's in the same place he was before this round, and still in a position to win.
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I have to disagree with you, Wolfcreek. First of all, DT does have a long track record, and it's one of a flamboyant, narcissistic, thin-skinned, belligerent, inconsistently successful, ethically challenged, politically leftish, businessman.
Secondly, not sure why you say Cruz can't win. We always knew this week's primaries were not going to favor Cruz. He's in the same place he was before this round, and still in a position to win.
That's not a political track record and it sounds like how the Left describe most Conservatives. ;)
Cruz can't get the necessary delegates to go into the convention with 1237. it's not mathematically possible.
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What actually disturbs me is the amount of posters here and elsewhere who are willing, even after being disappointed for the last two election, to sit on their asses at home and let Hillary have the presidency.
That makes me want to puke.
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What actually disturbs me is the amount of posters here and elsewhere who are willing, even after being disappointed for the last two election, to sit on their asses at home and let Hillary have the presidency.
That makes me want to puke.
If Donald Trump is our nominee, it will guarantee that Hillary becomes President.
THAT should make you "puke" as well.
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If Donald Trump is our nominee, it will guarantee that Hillary becomes President.
THAT should make you "puke" as well.
It won't despite what the establishment and the media have tried to lead us to believe.
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That's not a political track record and it sounds like how the Left describe most Conservatives. ;)
Of course it's a political track record. It goes to where he is on the political spectrum and how he would govern, if given the chance.
Cruz can't get the necessary delegates to go into the convention with 1237. it's not mathematically possible.
No, he can't, and it may well be that DT can't either. So....what's your point?
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What actually disturbs me is the amount of posters here and elsewhere who are willing, even after being disappointed for the last two election, to sit on their asses at home and let Hillary have the presidency.
That makes me want to puke.
You're preaching to the choir with me. I'm a Cruz guy and have supported him financially as I've been able to this campaign season.
But I will hold my nose, just like I and many others have been doing since '92 and vote for the "lesser of 2 evils", tRump in this case.
The nation WILL NOT survive a Hillary Clinton Presidency.
Just remember, the same "conservatives" who stayed home and didn't vote for Romney helped to give us 4 more years of the 0bama nightmare.
#neverhillary
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It won't despite what the establishment and the media have tried to lead us to believe.
LOL!! Trump IS the establishment. He's bought and paid for politicians (mostly Democrats) his entire life. When has Trump EVER stood against Washington or any political entity?
He NEVER has.
Trump's a con artist. It's how he's made his living: Trump University, Trump steaks, Trump vodka, Trump vitamins, Trump phones....all MLM scams that screwed gullible people over.
It's happening again. That you would play the role of mark to this charlatan is surprising.
You go right ahead. I am #NeverTrump. Ever.
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It won't despite what the establishment and the media have tried to lead us to believe.
Trump's a corrupt insider. The only thing I think about him is what HE has said and done.
The media has nothing to do with the fact that he's a despicable human being, and a Progressive.
That makes me "puke" because at least Hillary tells the truth about her being a leftist. Trump lies.
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Just for the sake of conjecture, let me pose this question. We know a candidate must get 1237 delegate votes at the convention (not popular votes at primaries). We know that Trump has 994 and Cruz has 566, more or less, currently. The question, assuming Trump might not get 1237, how many of the 994 delegates are Cruz supporters after they are unbound?
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:boring:
Thank you for conceding the point.
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Just for the sake of conjecture, let me pose this question. We know a candidate must get 1237 delegate votes at the convention (not popular votes at primaries). We know that Trump has 994 and Cruz has 566, more or less, currently. The question, assuming Trump might not get 1237, how many of the 994 delegates are Cruz supporters after they are unbound?
Most likely substantially more than would be Trump supporters given that Cruz has been running rings around Trump in the project of selecting the actual individuals who will fill those delegate spots. There is an article elsewhere of Cruz' abilities in this area as applied to Virginia: Trump won the delegates' first vote, but Cruz has apparently succeeded in picking all of almost all of the individuals who will fill those delegate spots. If Trump doesn't win the first vote, I very much doubt if many of the Virginia delegates will vote for Trump on subsequent ballots.
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Nick... Your avatar is reminiscent of a long-time forum member who moved on for her own reasons a couple years back. She used that very avatar. Welcome!
Hiya, thanks for the welcome.
About the avatars! It may be one that she created. I picked it from the menu for customizing your appearance here but I'm thinking that all of the personal avatars end up on that list. I will look into finding something unique for myself. ^-^
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OK, I've been pondering the question for 7 pages now, and you Trumpsters have finally convinced me!
If Trump is the candidate, I will not vote for him. And, I will hold all of you who pushed him upon us responsible for whomever wins; whether it be Trump or Clinton.
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I voted no, but that's only as of the last couple of days. It's not as much his policies that bother me -- I could accept his non-conservative positions on a lot of issues just to get the Supreme Court. What I can't accept is how he has run his campaign -- winning by trying to destroy personally other candidates. If mocking other candidates with juvenile names is the new paradigm for winning a nomination, the GOP is done, and with it any real hope for the conservative movement.
And as Rush apparently said a while back, Trump is essentially running an independent campaign from within the GOP, and has absolutely no loyalty to other GOP elected officials at all. It's all about him, and if he gains appeal by trashing other Republicans, he'll do it. So for me, I'd rather try to survive four years of The Beast and try to hang on to Congress, then condone what Trum is doing and let him wreck the party.
We don't have the time to worry about personalities Trump is doing the same thing as Cruz. Both have called each other cry-babies, liars, Canadian, Tax cheaters ( has Trump even released his returns :amen:--no, but goes after Cruz, for not declaring a loan from a few yrs. ago--0 what ever Four years is too late. We'll have a one-sided SCOUS that will care nothing about laws just what is good for liberals. I will vote for either even a semi-conservative--if we don't our culture, country, etc. will be gone. We got loads of stuff on Hillary--these guys should be fighting Demos not Republicans--other stuff is trivial.
Not to mention that I think whomever gets elected is going to be facihttp://www.gopbriefingroom.com/Smileys/default/th_1lg147amen.gifng a severe economic downturn, and likely set the other party up to do very well in 2020.
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Interesting that GBR posters are to remain civil. That is definitely not a word in the tRump lexicon.
To say nothing of his vulgarian behavior.
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Interesting that GBR posters are to remain civil. That is definitely not a word in the tRump lexicon.
To say nothing of his vulgarian behavior.
Why shouldn't we remain civil?
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You're preaching to the choir with me. I'm a Cruz guy and have supported him financially as I've been able to this campaign season.
But I will hold my nose, just like I and many others have been doing since '92 and vote for the "lesser of 2 evils", tRump in this case.
The nation WILL NOT survive a Hillary Clinton Presidency.
Just remember, the same "conservatives" who stayed home and didn't vote for Romney helped to give us 4 more years of the 0bama nightmare.
#neverhillary
So we have people with short memories or obvious subversives.
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LOL!! Trump IS the establishment. He's bought and paid for politicians (mostly Democrats) his entire life. When has Trump EVER stood against Washington or any political entity?
He NEVER has.
Trump's a con artist. It's how he's made his living: Trump University, Trump steaks, Trump vodka, Trump vitamins, Trump phones....all MLM scams that screwed gullible people over.
It's happening again. That you would play the role of mark to this charlatan is surprising.
You go right ahead. I am #NeverTrump. Ever.
Speaking of scam and con-artists.....
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Speaking of scam and con-artists.....
Trump?
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Trump?
Indeed! Good to see Wolfcreek coming over to the light. :smokin:
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I have not voted in the poll as I wish there was another option on the poll that fit me – “Maybe, but with great reservation”.
As I sure in Hell do not want to see Hillary as POTUS, I am not absolutely #NeverTrump but I am #serious-doubts-on-Trump. If Trump shifts liberal in the general however, as I believe he will, I will have to consider and assess whether there is a whole hill of beans difference between the two.
How Trump would govern as POTUS is also a big question mark. His idea of being POTUS seems to stem from his business experience as the sole owner and CEO of his many companies – “this is what I want – make it so” – and all he has to do is just sign a memo (or as POTUS – an executive order).
If he wins the nomination, which I think he will after a bloody battle, I predict that going into the general election he will shift back to his “former” liberal side. He’s already said he wants to court Bernie Sander supporters.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/29/politics/donald-trump-bernie-sanders/ (http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/29/politics/donald-trump-bernie-sanders/)
“The next morning, Trump said on MSNBC: "Bernie Sanders has a message that's interesting. I'm going to be taking a lot of the things Bernie said and using them."
“Trump’s advisers say these comments are a preview of more explicit overtures the campaign is ready to make to Sanders’ supporters once the populist liberal exits the 2016 race. That strategy is based on the broad areas of overlap between voters attracted to Trump and those who have flocked to Sanders. Both have angrily denounced the political system as corrupt and expressed deep frustration that Washington is not helping ordinary people. They both oppose international trade deals, saying they hurt American jobs.”
It is exactly this “overlap” that concerns me in addition to:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6M78Tt40zXU
Someone on another site tried to tell me that “Bernie's supporters, in addition to wanting free sh!t, also tend to be white, protectionist, anti-immigrant, hate SJWs, hate Hillary,”
My response:
“Those” Bernie supporters who are anti-immigrant and hate the SJWs must not have ever gone to Bernie’s website and read his positions like his pro-immigration policy:
https://berniesanders.com/issues/a-fair-and-humane-immigration-policy/ (https://berniesanders.com/issues/a-fair-and-humane-immigration-policy/)
And there is a good amount of SJW’s stuff there: Racial Justice; Fighting for LGBT Equality; Fighting for Affordable Housing; Fighting for Women’s Rights (Pro-Choice and Pro fully funding Planned Parenthood); Climate Change; Living Wage, Free College….
https://berniesanders.com/issues/ (https://berniesanders.com/issues/)
I do however see several issues that would be crossover issues between Trump and Sanders supporters and that is what concerns me.
Getting Big Money Out of Politics and Restoring Democracy
-Both Trump and Sanders think we are a Populist Democracy rather than a Constitutional Republic. When has Trump ever mentioned the Constitution? His new BFF Ben Carson even thinks that the Electoral College (outdated) should be eliminated and I never saw Trump say otherwise.
Creating Jobs Rebuilding America
-Creating “government” jobs to rebuild the infrastructure – can you say FDR part 2? Now I do agree that our infrastructure is aging, many problems with bridges in particular. However, saying “I will build great roads and make the trains run on time” might not be the best campaign slogan.
Caring for our Veterans
-Sanders – “Fully fund and expand the VA so that every veteran gets the care that he or she has earned and deserves.” Trump – “We’ve got to take care of our veterans” and he also wants to pour more money into the VA and expand it and wants to tie it into Medicare. Not that I disagree that veterans deserve better than what the VA is doing for them, but expanding the VA, IMO is not the answer. Trump has said that veterans should be able to see any doctor that accepts Medicare which sounds like he envisions some sort of tie in between the two and an expansion of both. Not good IMO.
Medicare for All
-Sanders wants to eliminate all private insurance and go full bore socialized medicine, free to everyone – single payer. Trump has said he wants to “repeal and REPLACE Obamacare” and is for more open competition for insurance companies, but he has also said things in past sounding a lot like he supports single payer and more recently “everybody has to be taken care of…who is going to pay for that? – The Government”. Trump has also said numerous times that he “will take care of all the women on healthcare issues…whatever that means, and has said he wants to expand Medicare – see above.
Fighting to Lower Prescription Drug Prices- NEGOTIATE A BETTER DEAL (Where have I heard that before…)
-Sanders and Trump are completely aligned here but I have my concerns over price controls that IMO would stifle R&D and new drugs. Both also say Americans should be able to buy Rx drugs from Canada – so much for “protectionism” and both say that Medicare should be able to negotiate for much lower prices. The problem with that is if Medicare is greatly expanded as both Sanders and Trump want, there will not be any real “negotiation”. The federal government will set a “fair” price for anyone receiving Medicare and or VA benefits and the pharmaceutical companies will have to suck it up by a combination of increasing prices on those with private insurance or cost cut for R&D, on new drug development or move their drug manufacturing to countries with lower costs and less regulation – Mexico, China, India…?
Reforming Wall Street
-Again, Trump and Sanders have alignment here. Both hate people who make money on Wall Street, “hedge fund” managers and both think the “wealthy” should pay more taxes. Both Sanders and Trump seem to have ideas of government control of private business.
There are others issues such as the Iran deal – Sanders is all for it and Trump while criticizing it, saying that Iran should not have nukes (South Korea and Japan and Saudi Arabia OTHO?), he just thought we could have negotiated a better “deal”. But what kind of deal? A deal indicates some sort of concessions from both sides. But I’ve never seen what Trump would have been willing to give up for the “better deal”.
Sanders and Trump also want to “save Social Security”. Sanders by expanding it and ending the income cap on payroll withholding and Trump via cost savings, cutting waste and an increase in domestic jobs. But neither are interested in a free market solution or in the move to the privatization of retirement savings.
So I see those issues where Trump and Sanders intersect as being the very same reasons why I am very concerned about Trump.
If Trump reverts back to many of his former liberal positions in the general, I might have to vote my conscience and vote for the Libertarian candidate as I did in ’96 when neither Clinton or Dole or Perot were acceptable choices.
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I'm anybody but Hillary, personally. I worry about Trump's handling of the economy, and I think protectionism could actually make a bad situation much, much worse. That being said, I am not someone who thinks that Trump will appoint a liberal to the supreme court. I actually do think he'll be advised well on the USSC. That alone will earn him my vote.
But I do worry about the economy.
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Personally I wish there had been a "not only no but HELL no" category!
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So we have people with short memories or obvious subversives.
Yes, we do.
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/fundraising/203784-donald-trump-makes-donation-to-ted-cruz
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Yes, we do.
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/fundraising/203784-donald-trump-makes-donation-to-ted-cruz
To be honest about that, it wasn't a donation to Cruz, it was a donation to the the Jobs, Growth and Freedom Fund that Cruz started but wasn't for his campaign. That PAC was specifically to promote defunding Obamacare and supported many candidates.
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To be honest about that, it wasn't a donation to Cruz, it was a donation to the the Jobs, Growth and Freedom Fund that Cruz started but wasn't for his campaign. That PAC was specifically to promote defunding Obamacare and supported many candidates.
A Cruz PAC. How many liberals endorse Republican candidates and financially support the Republican party?
Hotel magnate Donald Trump donated $5,000 to Sen. Ted Cruz’s leadership PAC in January, according to new campaign records.
Trump’s show of support for the Texas Republican's leadership PAC — the maximum allowed under the law per election cycle — is an indication that the men are becoming political allies.
During the 2012 election season, GOP presidential hopefuls made visits to Trump Tower in New York City to court the billionaire, who eventually endorsed Mitt Romney.
The Federal Election Committee’s (FEC) individual donor database has not yet been updated to include the donation, but it shows that Trump also gave $1,000 to Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas) in March.
FEC records show Trump has donated more than $127,000 during this election cycle so far, including to the Republican National Committee, the National Republican Senatorial Committee, Sens. Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) and John Cornyn (R-Texas) and $50,000 to the Kentuckians for Strong Leadership political action committee.
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A Cruz PAC. How many liberals endorse Republican candidates and financially support the Republican party?
Hotel magnate Donald Trump donated $5,000 to Sen. Ted Cruz’s leadership PAC in January, according to new campaign records.
Trump’s show of support for the Texas Republican's leadership PAC — the maximum allowed under the law per election cycle — is an indication that the men are becoming political allies.
During the 2012 election season, GOP presidential hopefuls made visits to Trump Tower in New York City to court the billionaire, who eventually endorsed Mitt Romney.
The Federal Election Committee’s (FEC) individual donor database has not yet been updated to include the donation, but it shows that Trump also gave $1,000 to Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas) in March.
FEC records show Trump has donated more than $127,000 during this election cycle so far, including to the Republican National Committee, the National Republican Senatorial Committee, Sens. Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) and John Cornyn (R-Texas) and $50,000 to the Kentuckians for Strong Leadership political action committee.
That article is actually pretty revealing about that because it shows pretty much all the Republican donations he made that are referenced to, came all at one time- not over his history. It was like in 2012, he started dumping donations to any and every Republican PAC he could find.
One could surmise he was trying to balance out his long history of giving to Democrats, possibly because he was considering a run on the Republican ticket in 2012.
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That article is actually pretty revealing about that because it shows pretty much all the Republican donations he made that are referenced to, came all at one time- not over his history. It was like in 2012, he started dumping donations to any and every Republican PAC he could find.
One could surmise he was trying to balance out his long history of giving to Democrats, possibly because he was considering a run on the Republican ticket in 2012.
(http://i.imgur.com/p8wS4Gr.png)
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(http://i.imgur.com/p8wS4Gr.png)
That's pretty amazing.
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That article is actually pretty revealing about that because it shows pretty much all the Republican donations he made that are referenced to, came all at one time- not over his history. It was like in 2012, he started dumping donations to any and every Republican PAC he could find.
One could surmise he was trying to balance out his long history of giving to Democrats, possibly because he was considering a run on the Republican ticket in 2012.
Trump has contributed nearly a million dollars to the Republican party vs. less than a half million to the Democrat party over the last 26 years.
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Trump has contributed nearly a million dollars to the Republican party vs. less than a half million to the Democrat party over the last 26 years.
Still that doesn't address Abaraxas' point. And if as some say, it was for business reasons, what does that say about any core values he may have?
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Still that doesn't address Abaraxas' point. And if as some say, it was for business reasons, what does that say about any core values he may have?
What point?
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A Cruz PAC. How many liberals endorse Republican candidates and financially support the Republican party?
Hotel magnate Donald Trump donated $5,000 to Sen. Ted Cruz’s leadership PAC in January, according to new campaign records.
Trump’s show of support for the Texas Republican's leadership PAC — the maximum allowed under the law per election cycle — is an indication that the men are becoming political allies.
During the 2012 election season, GOP presidential hopefuls made visits to Trump Tower in New York City to court the billionaire, who eventually endorsed Mitt Romney.
The Federal Election Committee’s (FEC) individual donor database has not yet been updated to include the donation, but it shows that Trump also gave $1,000 to Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas) in March.
FEC records show Trump has donated more than $127,000 during this election cycle so far, including to the Republican National Committee, the National Republican Senatorial Committee, Sens. Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) and John Cornyn (R-Texas) and $50,000 to the Kentuckians for Strong Leadership political action committee.
Wow. this place has spammers just like FR.
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Wow. this place has spammers just like FR.
I think Lert came from FR; he can correct me if wrong.
And, he got called on his spamming and agreed to quit.
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I shudder to think that Hillary Clinton should be allowed to select one or more justices of the Supreme Court. I know the type of a justice she will nominate. Still wiping the stench off of myself after a long relationship with FR, but can't let the stench cloud my judgement.
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Wow. this place has spammers just like FR.
You have a problem with facts? Just because you don't like what is posted doesn't make me a spammer. Should I classify you with an insult?
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FRefugees meet ALert. I don't believe you've been introduced.
Antibacterial handwipes will be provided by the management.
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FRefugees meet ALert. I don't believe you've been introduced.
Antibacterial handwipes will be provided by the management.
FR refugees can't leave the clique BS. Everything they complain about, they bring here. Pathetic!
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FR refugees can't leave the clique BS. Everything they complain about, they bring here. Pathetic!
You're emulating your hero Donald's twitter style, just changed "Pathetic!" to "Sad!".
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You're emulating your hero Donald's twitter style, just changed "Pathetic!" to "Sad!".
:laugh:
Hero? Really? How much more juvenile can you get? Please, spare us.
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I think Lert came from FR; he can correct me if wrong.
And, he got called on his spamming and agreed to quit.
Do you have proof @Sanguine @A-Lert ?
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Do you have proof @Sanguine @A-Lert ?
I was banned from FR years ago. I never looked back. Cliques were never my thing. The place got to be like a junior high playground.
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I was banned from FR years ago. I never looked back. Cliques were never my thing. The place got to be like a junior high playground.
;)
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Some do, some do not. I would agree that those of us who are FR refugees should make an extra effort to maintain civility, especially when discussing something with someone with whom we disagree.
Civility is good. :beer:
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I would write in Ted Cruz
Yep, and at least it's easy to spell.
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Do you have proof @Sanguine @A-Lert ?
Flowers, proof of what? I expressed an opinion and asked Lert to correct me if was wrong. Looks like he confirmed what I said.
You used the wrong attack method on this one.
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Some do, some do not. I would agree that those of us who are FR refugees should make an extra effort to maintain civility, especially when discussing something with someone with whom we disagree.
So far, so good.
I haven't seen a single clique here from FR. I think the complainer is just upset that so many intelligent, articulate people who don't support Trump have arrived on the scene to systematically dismantle his faux conservatism......
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Flowers, proof of what? I expressed an opinion and asked Lert to correct me if was wrong. Looks like he confirmed what I said.
You used the wrong attack method on this one.
Why is asking a question considered an "attack" by some? Unless of course the question is about a posters sanity, sexuality, etc., which Flowers certainly wasn't.
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So far, so good.
I haven't seen a single clique here from FR. I think the complainer is just upset that so many intelligent, articulate people who don't support Trump have arrived on the scene to systematically dismantle his faux conservatism......
8bs8
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Flowers, proof of what? I expressed an opinion and asked Lert to correct me if was wrong. Looks like he confirmed what I said.
You used the wrong attack method on this one.
What? How was that a attack on you? @Sanguine
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@Sanguine please let me know how that question was a attack on you. I really want to know.
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@Sanguine please let me know how that question was a attack on you. I really want to know.
Remember what I posted:
I think Lert came from FR; he can correct me if wrong.
And, he got called on his spamming and agreed to quit.
Lert promptly confirmed my statements.
So, why did I take it as an attack?
Because instead of just taking my opinion for what it was, you asked me for links to "prove" my opinion. I try to make sure all of my opinions are backed by facts, so I actually knew what I was talking about before I posted it.
And, because A+Bert's identity or origin is not a secret. There were prior posts by other people. And, you don't miss much.
If you were asking because you were genuinely curious as to Lert's information and had missed all of the prior comments and merely wanted to read more about him, I stand corrected. But, provide proof, please. :smokin:
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If you were asking because you were genuinely curious as to Lert's information and had missed all of the prior comments and merely wanted to read more about him, I stand corrected. But, provide proof, please. :smokin:
That is the only reason I asked you and A-Lert about it. How can I provide proof on me genuinely wanting to know about that? If Thank you for responding to my ping. @Sanguine
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That is the only reason I asked you and A-Lert about it. How can I provide proof on me genuinely wanting to know about that? If Thank you for responding to my ping. @Sanguine
Exactly! It's hard to present proof of something like that.
OK, Flowers, I can accept that. It just came across wrong.
(And, I shouldn't let agitators pull my chain!)
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Exactly! It's hard to present proof of something like that.
OK, Flowers, I can accept that. It just came across wrong.
(And, I shouldn't let agitators pull my chain!)
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For the record, I will not vote for Trump.
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I believe Sanguine said he/she put me on ignore. I've never understood why, if you put someone on ignore, you continue posting about him/her. It seems sleazy to me.
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Answer is still no.
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Still #NeverTrump
Good luck with that general election. Better start stocking up on KY for Jan. 20th, when y'all will have to pledge allegiance to president Clinton or President Sanders.
In a way, since it has to be one of those two, better Sanders because it should be marginally easier to contain and repair the inevitable damage.
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For the record, I will not vote for Trump.
Yep, let the 3rd Party vetting begin!!!!!!!
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I posted this elsewhere so, if it seems like I'm repeating myself.....
So the alternative is to continue using the juvenile Michelle Obama hashtags? It's time for people on the Right to put aside their differences, their vanity and whatever else is holding them back and unite to defeat that Commie BITCH.
If she ends up winning because any of you decided to sit on their thumbs this fall, I don't want to hear a word of complaining about the direction of the country.
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By the same logic, if you vote for Trump, you have no right to complain about anything he does because you helped elect him, right?
I have a question. Did you vote for George Bush? If so, then -according to your logic - you had no right to object to or complain about No Child Left Behind, Medicare Part D, the "ownership society" pushing home ownership on people who couldn't afford it, etc. etc.
In sum, it is not our fault that the only two choices on the ballot are Trump and Hillary, both of whom are very likely to do things in office with which we strongly disagree.
Wrong. I will hold whoever wins to the highest standards. Hillary doesn't have any standards.
The next POTUS will likely appoint up to four new Justices. You want Hillary making those choices?
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#never trump!
NO way in hell!
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I posted this elsewhere so, if it seems like I'm repeating myself.....
So the alternative is to continue using the juvenile Michelle Obama hashtags? It's time for people on the Right to put aside their differences, their vanity and whatever else is holding them back and unite to defeat that Commie BITCH.
If she ends up winning because any of you decided to sit on their thumbs this fall, I don't want to hear a word of complaining about the direction of the country.
Sorry, but the only thing I'm responsible for is my individual vote. Collective guilt is a liberal thing and you should be ashamed for using that liberal tactic.
If Trump loses because he doesn't get enough votes, the blame lies solely with those who nominated him. They were warned well in advance that he was unelectable and they chose the nominate him anyway. That is their fault, not mine.
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By the same logic, if you vote for Trump, you have no right to complain about anything he does because you helped elect him, right?
I have a question. Did you vote for George Bush? If so, then -according to your logic - you had no right to object to or complain about No Child Left Behind, Medicare Part D, the "ownership society" pushing home ownership on people who couldn't afford it, etc. etc.
In sum, it is not our fault that the only two choices on the ballot are Trump and Hillary, both of whom are very likely to do things in office with which we strongly disagree.
True. And none of them has the right to complain about Chief Justice Roberts and his distinct need to get consensus even if it means going left of center.
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I posted this elsewhere so, if it seems like I'm repeating myself.....
So the alternative is to continue using the juvenile Michelle Obama hashtags? It's time for people on the Right to put aside their differences, their vanity and whatever else is holding them back and unite to defeat that Commie BITCH.
If she ends up winning because any of you decided to sit on their thumbs this fall, I don't want to hear a word of complaining about the direction of the country.
Wrong. The trump selection pretty much guarantees a hillary election. We should have united and selected a good candidate.
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Wrong. I will hold whoever wins to the highest standards. Hillary doesn't have any standards.
The next POTUS will likely appoint up to four new Justices. You want Hillary making those choices?
You will "hold whoever wins to the highest standards"? Exactly how are you planning on doing that?
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THIS IS THE 2ND OF TWO POLLS.
AGAIN, AS IN THE LAST ONE, ONLY ONE VOTE FOR MEMBER.
THESE ARE MEMBER ONLY POLLS.
WE MAY OPEN THEM TO GUESTS IN A WEEK. :patriot:
YOU MAY DISCUSS THIS POLL ON THIS THREAD, AS LONG AS IT STAYS CIVIL :police:
I can't find a button to pick so my vote would be counted,but MY answer is "NO,NO,NO,A THOUSAND TIMES NO!"
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I would hope convention delegates do not put me in this position to vote against my conservative principles.
Why? Where is the conflict? You either have principles,or you don't.
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What I'm curious about is, who will vote for Hillary.
She has a solid lock on the Whymen? vote,the black vote,the NAMBLA vote,the transgender vote,and the Muslim vote.
I am temped to say she also has a solid lock on the prisoner vote,but they are already represented in each of the categories above.
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I would vote for anyone to keep Clinton from the White House.
You have already proved your desperation by supporting the NYC Dim with orange hair.
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In the first election in my 40 years of voting, I would write-in a name. Trump is not only a Liberal - but he is also dangerous.
I couldn't agree more,but I still think he is planning on dropping out late in the election,leaving the alleged Republicans scrambling for a candidate with only a month or so left in the campaign. This guarantees Hillary a win,and it keeps him from being a "loser". After all,you are not a "loser" if you voluntarily drop out because you have been mistreated and lied to,right?
And once again for those who may have missed my earlier posts on this subject,"He will then spend the rest of his life bragging about how "I COULD have been the president of the US,but I decided I had been mistreated and the job was beneath me,so I dropped out."
Just imagine what he estimates the value of his "trademark" (the Trump name) is now that he is the presumed Republican Candidate for President! He rated it as being worth $ BILLION when he was nobody but the "Bankruptcy King of Queens".
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If Sanders is the dim candidate it means Hillary is gone. Hopefully being charged, convicted and imprisoned.
Or maybe Santa and the Easter Bunny took her to Candyland for tea?
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I changed my vote to support Trump if he's the nominee. Frankly I'm tired of the whole Cruz vs. Trump thing.
I still support Cruz over Trump but the level of vitriol aimed at members of the same side is self-destructive IMO.
That being said, Cruz is still the best candidate and I hope he wins in June. But if he doesn't I'll go with Trump.
Thanks! I always find it helpful when people self-describe themselves as a part of the problem.
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There are no doubt good reasons for others to hold their nose and vote for the lesser of two evils, but those reasons don't work for me.
I'll vote for a Conservative or I'll leave the ballot for that office blank.
YMMV
No,there is no mileage to vary,here. People like you and I did NOT pick the globalist asshat at the top of the ticket,so we are under no moral obligation to vote for him or her to make the sheeple who did vote for them feel better about themselves.
If you want change,you MUST vote for change because when you keep voting for more of the same,more of the same is all you will ever get.
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Thanks! I always find it helpful when people self-describe themselves as a part of the problem.
What "problem" exactly?
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You may vote for whomever you wish, but IMO, you forfeit the right to complain about said person if you refused to vote against them.
Your opinion is wrong. It is people like YOU who have no right to complain when whatever globalist you supported and voted for takes office and acts like the globalist they have been all along.
Or are you making the claim that if the idiot that was an American Nazi or a Kluxxer head robe that ran for president a decade or so ago should have had everyone's support if he had won the primary?
When you knowingly support evil,you have to share in the ownership of that evil.
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Your opinion is wrong. It is people like YOU who have no right to complain when whatever globalist you supported and voted for takes office and acts like the globalist they have been all along.
Or are you making the claim that if the idiot that was an American Nazi or a Kluxxer head robe that ran for president a decade or so ago should have had everyone's support if he had won the primary?
When you knowingly support evil,you have to share in the ownership of that evil.
"Globalist" is a conspiracy theory nonsense word spouted by economically ignorant fools, IMO.
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I'm tired of the "conservative purity test" to be honest. Granted Romney was not a good candidate but the GOP is always waiting for this perfect candidate that really doesn't exist.
No,the GOP always hates and fears any actual conservative that runs for political office,and work hard behind the scenes to torpedo them so they can't get elected.
Asking the GOP to pick a conservative candidate to support is like asking a wolf to pick a rabbit to adopt.
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No,the GOP always hates and fears any actual conservative that runs for political office,and work hard behind the scenes to torpedo them so they can't get elected.
Asking the GOP to pick a conservative candidate to support is like asking a wolf to pick a rabbit to adopt.
No it's just the screaming mimis keep moving the yardstick of what constitutes as a "conservative" to crazier and crazier.
It's basically the "no true scotsman" theory in action.
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No it's just the screaming mimis keep moving the yardstick of what constitutes as a "conservative" to crazier and crazier.
It's basically the "no true scotsman" theory in action.
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?topic=140249.0
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Trump has contributed nearly a million dollars to the Republican party vs. less than a half million to the Democrat party over the last 26 years.
HorseHillary! He is a life-long denizen of NYC and has "donated" untold millions to Dim politicians and city officials (same thing) in the form of under the table "gifts" for things like zoning law changes,health dept "considerations",planning dept permits,etc,etc,etc.
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I shudder to think that Hillary Clinton should be allowed to select one or more justices of the Supreme Court. I know the type of a justice she will nominate.
The same sort of SC Justice that his good pal Bubbette! will pick. After all,they both share "NYC Values".
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For the record, I will not vote for Trump.
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What "problem" exactly?
A member of the "lesser of two evils" sheeple.
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"Globalist" is a conspiracy theory nonsense word spouted by economically ignorant fools, IMO.
I can't believe you are actually bragging about being that ignorant. No wonder you are a lesser of two evil group member.
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I can't believe you are actually bragging about being that ignorant. No wonder you are a lesser of two evil group member.
I'll put my knowledge of economics up against yours any day, son.
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I'll put my knowledge of economics up against yours any day, son.
Then again,you think Trump would be a good president,too.
You have all sorts of delusions.
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Then again,you think Trump would be a good president,too.
You have all sorts of delusions.
I don't, but you go to war with the army you have right? Any port in a storm, etc. etc.
I'm honestly not sure if I will be able to stomach pulling the lever for Trump at this point. I will know in November.
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But you said we don't have the right to complain about Hillary if we don't vote for Donald because we will have "enabled" her win. But if you vote for Trump, didn't you "enable" his win? And therefore, he should be immune from criticism as well.
If that isn't the case, then your entire argument that we can't complain about Hillary if we didn't vote for Trump collapses.
I use that to get the attention of those who sat out in the past. (And still compain)
You one of those?
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No, I'm not. This will be the first Presidential election where I haven't voted for the Republican, and I cast my first vote for Reagan in 1980.
I can stomach voting for a "moderate" Republican on the grounds that at least he won't do as much damage as a Democrat. A way to buy time/minimize the damage until I have a chance to vote for someone better.
Given the way Trump conducted his campaign, and what it would signal for the quality of future campaigns, I'm an not sure that there is enough of a difference between what he and Hillary are likely to accomplish to justify condoning what he did with a vote. It is honestly an absolute embarrassment that a guy like that got the nomination of the Party of Lincoln.
Luckily Iowa allows write-ins, so I'll write in Cruz. Then vote the downticket. My focus is on state level politics now anyway. Our federal goose is cooked.
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I don't, but you go to war with the army you have right? Any port in a storm, etc. etc.
I'm honestly not sure if I will be able to stomach pulling the lever for Trump at this point. I will know in November.
Well,all I can say is "Good luck to you,and remember that you have to live with your decision,whatever it may be."
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No, I'm not. This will be the first Presidential election where I haven't voted for the Republican, and I cast my first vote for Reagan in 1980.
I can stomach voting for a "moderate" Republican on the grounds that at least he won't do as much damage as a Democrat. A way to buy time/minimize the damage until I have a chance to vote for someone better.
Given the way Trump conducted his campaign, and what it would signal for the quality of future campaigns, I'm an not sure that there is enough of a difference between what he and Hillary are likely to accomplish to justify condoning what he did with a vote. It is honestly an absolute embarrassment that a guy like that got the nomination of the Party of Lincoln.
The Party of Lincoln is now officially dead.
Your assessment of the similarity between Trump and Hillary is spot on. He doesn't deserve the vote of any serious Republican....
Which I'm not sure I'm going to call myself any more. Trump has killed the Republican party and replaced it with something farther left and without honor.
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It is the fault of the Trumpsters. They own what happens next. Don't even give us the "heads I win, tails you lose" argument where you care credited with wins and we are blamed for losses. No deal. You own it either way.
AMEN, RATPatrol. The blame for this disastrous election year lies squarely on the heads of the Trump fan club.
They'll continue to squeal and blame others (they're following their leader in that), but we all know exactly whose fault this catastrophe is. NOT those of us who tried to sound the alarm.
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FRefugees meet ALert. I don't believe you've been introduced.
Antibacterial handwipes will be provided by the management.
I actually left TBR for a while to get the stench of A-lert off . Just lying in wait for someone to dare dislike his hero, the man with the fake hair, fake tan, and wife with the fake boobs.
Ugh. Some freepers ought to go home, their cultists are calling. After all, fake man has changed positions so many times he could write his own Kama sutra. (sp?)
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I actually left TBR for a while to get the stench of A-lert off . Just lying in wait for someone to dare dislike his hero, the man with the fake hair, fake tan, and wife with the fake boobs.
Ugh. Some freepers ought to go home, their cultists are calling. After all, fake man has changed positions so many times he could write his own Kama sutra. (sp?)
I've found this helpful when dealing with A-lert (or is that A-Bert??)....
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Well,all I can say is "Good luck to you,and remember that you have to live with your decision,whatever it may be."
Will it really matter what decision I make though? Trump will be r@ped by Hillary. Bent over like a blowup doll.
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Will it really matter what decision I make though? Trump will be r@ped by Hillary. Bent over like a blowup doll.
I am hoping it will matter to you. You are not responsible for what Hillary or anyone else does. All you can do is make the best decisions you think you can make for yourself and hope they work out,same as the rest of us.
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I am hoping it will matter to you. You are not responsible for what Hillary or anyone else does. All you can do is make the best decisions you think you can make for yourself and hope they work out,same as the rest of us.
Oh it matters, but I think Trump will lose, badly, no matter what I do. Even if I could convince everyone I knew to vote for Trump, and I don't want to embarrass myself that way, Trump will still lose very badly in November.
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Where do I actually vote? In other words, where is the poll to cast my vote?
Victoria33 (Marcella)
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Oh it matters, but I think Trump will lose, badly, no matter what I do. Even if I could convince everyone I knew to vote for Trump, and I don't want to embarrass myself that way, Trump will still lose very badly in November.
Those on the Left are counting on y'all thinking that way. The more of you who stay home, the better.
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I actually left TBR for a while to get the stench of A-lert off . Just lying in wait for someone to dare dislike his hero, the man with the fake hair, fake tan, and wife with the fake boobs.
Ugh. Some freepers ought to go home, their cultists are calling. After all, fake man has changed positions so many times he could write his own Kama sutra. (sp?)
FRefugees meet ALert. I don't believe you've been introduced.
Antibacterial handwipes will be provided by the management.
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Those on the Left are counting on y'all thinking that way. The more of you who stay home, the better.
I don't think I'll stay home. If Trump gets my vote is up to him.
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I actually left TBR for a while to get the stench of A-lert off . Just lying in wait for someone to dare dislike his hero, the man with the fake hair, fake tan, and wife with the fake boobs.
Ugh. Some freepers ought to go home, their cultists are calling. After all, fake man has changed positions so many times he could write his own Kama sutra. (sp?)
Cultists? :laughingdog:
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@mystery-ak
Will not vote for Trump - will vote down ticket. If I could find the actual poll, I would click it that way. mystery, where is the actual poll to vote?
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No, I will not. Probably vote Gary Johnson just to prove that it was an intentional snub of both. I live in a severely blue state, so it doesn't matter anyway, it goes to Hillary.
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3 "conservatives" voting for anti 2nd Amendment and anti military Hillary? :wtf!: :facepalm2:
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I don't think I'll stay home. If Trump gets my vote is up to him.
To be real, IMO, both sides will have their share of voters staying home. It will be intersting to see who shows and who blows. :patriot:
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THIS IS THE 2ND OF TWO POLLS.
AGAIN, AS IN THE LAST ONE, ONLY ONE VOTE FOR MEMBER.
NO, will vote down ticket but #neverTrump.
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To be real, IMO, both sides will have their share of voters staying home. It will be intersting to see who shows and who blows. :patriot:
If Trump were serious about winning,he would try to get Bernie for his VP running mate. It has already been proven he has a large chunk of allegedly Republican voters that doesn't care what he says or does,and adding Bernie to his ticket would pull in a lot of Dim voters that hate Bubbette!,as well as young voters who are too ignorant to know much of anything.
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If Trump were serious about winning,he would try to get Bernie for his VP running mate. It has already been proven he has a large chunk of allegedly Republican voters that doesn't care what he says or does,and adding Bernie to his ticket would pull in a lot of Dim voters that hate Bubbette!,as well as young voters who are too ignorant to know much of anything.
He does that and I would pull the lever for Hillary. Bernie and his supporters are complete idiots.
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No, I'm not. This will be the first Presidential election where I haven't voted for the Republican, and I cast my first vote for Reagan in 1980.
I can stomach voting for a "moderate" Republican on the grounds that at least he won't do as much damage as a Democrat. A way to buy time/minimize the damage until I have a chance to vote for someone better.
Given the way Trump conducted his campaign, and what it would signal for the quality of future campaigns, I'm an not sure that there is enough of a difference between what he and Hillary are likely to accomplish to justify condoning what he did with a vote. It is honestly an absolute embarrassment that a guy like that got the nomination of the Party of Lincoln.
Well he's just announced he will not reveal his choice for VP until the Convention........he knows they can refuse his choice of VP so he's not about to show that hand for any vetting before the convention.
Did you the see hedge fund guy Trump just brought in to handle his campaign finances......worked 17 years for Soros.....not to mention didn't Trump say these hedge fund guys were murders and tax cheats............this guy was actually sued robbing investors in the Maddoff Scam.............So we see' the Trump Oligarchy Dynasty shaping up' who willl be soon pocket diving into the taxpayers wallets like the sca artists these guys are...........and we'll see his sons, who are already handling Trumps political affairs also getting positions, though probably never announced as such.
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AMEN, RATPatrol. The blame for this disastrous election year lies squarely on the heads of the Trump fan club.
They'll continue to squeal and blame others (they're following their leader in that), but we all know exactly whose fault this catastrophe is. NOT those of us who tried to sound the alarm.
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I haven't decided what I'm going to do....I was waiting to see who Trump would have as his VP but he's said now that he won't announce who that is until the convention.....(chicken)..........so if the guy continues not to show his hands and just expects me to "trust" the man then it's a no sale. And easy to say no I won't be voting for Trump......besides he may very well hand this over to Hillary and Billy Boy as I see it. .....and I don't want to assist that exchange......Trump will be unscathed if he wins or looses the general.....and he would have enjoyed his final thrust of life saying he ran for president and "could have won if" and the blame game would follow.
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Well he's just announced he will not reveal his choice for VP until the Convention........he knows they can refuse his choice of VP so he's not about to show that hand for any vetting before the convention.
Did you the see hedge fund guy Trump just brought in to handle his campaign finances......worked 17 years for Soros.....not to mention didn't Trump say these hedge fund guys were murders and tax cheats............this guy was actually sued robbing investors in the Maddoff Scam.............So we see' the Trump Oligarchy Dynasty shaping up' who willl be soon pocket diving into the taxpayers wallets like the sca artists these guys are...........and we'll see his sons, who are already handling Trumps political affairs also getting positions, though probably never announced as such.
I believe you're a little confused. Mnuchin worked 17 years for Goldman Sachs. Steven Mnuchin is currently Director at Sears and Director at CIT.
http://www.bloomberg.com/research/stocks/private/person.asp?personId=1492034&privcapId=2522804
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I believe you're a little confused. Mnuchin worked 17 years for Goldman Sachs. Steven Mnuchin is currently Director at Sears and Director at CIT.
http://www.bloomberg.com/research/stocks/private/person.asp?personId=1492034&privcapId=2522804
Breaks my heart to see so many dead-enders here on a forum I thought of as home. Appears a whole lot of forum swapping happens in presidential primary years.
At first it was an interesting political campaign, but now #nevertrump is really just #welcomehillary. A political hashtag temper tantrum that I can't/won't abide.
Just my humble opinion, but be careful how you deal with your perceived loss and from whom you accept comfort in your moment of grief. You'll need sound reasoning, not emotion, come November.
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Breaks my heart to see so many dead-enders here on a forum I thought of as home. Appears a whole lot of forum swapping happens in presidential primary years.
At first it was an interesting political campaign, but now #nevertrump is really just #welcomehillary. A political hashtag temper tantrum that I can't/won't abide.
Just my humble opinion, but be careful how you deal with your perceived loss and from whom you accept comfort in your moment of grief. You'll need sound reasoning, not emotion, come November.
Amazing thing to read from a guy who supports the man who rode a wave of anger to the top of the GOP ticket.
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Breaks my heart to see so many dead-enders here on a forum I thought of as home. Appears a whole lot of forum swapping happens in presidential primary years.
At first it was an interesting political campaign, but now #nevertrump is really just #welcomehillary. A political hashtag temper tantrum that I can't/won't abide.
Just my humble opinion, but be careful how you deal with your perceived loss and from whom you accept comfort in your moment of grief. You'll need sound reasoning, not emotion, come November.
Hate to tell you, but based on Trump's history a Trump presidency probably won't look much different than a Hitlerly one. Rather not have the GOP blamed for that debacle.
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Amazing thing to read from a guy who supports the man who rode a wave of anger to the top of the GOP ticket.
@Luis Gonzalez , love your new avatar!
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He does that and I would pull the lever for Hillary. Bernie and his supporters are complete idiots.
And Trump and Bubbette! aren't???????
You realize you are arguing about the difference between fascism and socialism,and stating you will vote fascist but not socialist,right?
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Well he's just announced he will not reveal his choice for VP until the Convention........he knows they can refuse his choice of VP so he's not about to show that hand for any vetting before the convention.
Did you the see hedge fund guy Trump just brought in to handle his campaign finances......worked 17 years for Soros.....not to mention didn't Trump say these hedge fund guys were murders and tax cheats............this guy was actually sued robbing investors in the Maddoff Scam.............So we see' the Trump Oligarchy Dynasty shaping up' who willl be soon pocket diving into the taxpayers wallets like the sca artists these guys are...........and we'll see his sons, who are already handling Trumps political affairs also getting positions, though probably never announced as such.
And he has already said he would put his daughter in charge of all his assets instead of a blind trust.
Can you say "Mussolini,Part 2".
We can just all him "El Douche". That's close enough.
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And Trump and Bubbette! aren't???????
You realize you are arguing about the difference between fascism and socialism,and stating you will vote fascist but not socialist,right?
I would prefer the status quo to Bernie. The man has shit for brains and so do his supporters. Period.
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Hate to tell you, but based on Trump's history a Trump presidency probably won't look much different than a Hitlerly one. Rather not have the GOP blamed for that debacle.
Maybe you'd be able to explain to all of us how Trump and Hillary are the same on the 2nd Amendment, the military, secure borders, the DOE, EPA, Benghazi and foreign policy?
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If Trump were serious about winning,he would try to get Bernie for his VP running mate. It has already been proven he has a large chunk of allegedly Republican voters that doesn't care what he says or does,and adding Bernie to his ticket would pull in a lot of Dim voters that hate Bubbette!,as well as young voters who are too ignorant to know much of anything.
He's already said it wouldn't be a Leftist. [despite the wet dreams of that party]
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Breaks my heart to see so many dead-enders here on a forum I thought of as home. Appears a whole lot of forum swapping happens in presidential primary years.
At first it was an interesting political campaign, but now #nevertrump is really just #welcomehillary. A political hashtag temper tantrum that I can't/won't abide.
Just my humble opinion, but be careful how you deal with your perceived loss and from whom you accept comfort in your moment of grief. You'll need sound reasoning, not emotion, come November.
What fascinates me is how many alleged conservative adults claim there is no difference between Trump and Hillary. But when asked to explain how they are the same in regards to the 2nd Amendment, the military, border security, foreign policy, foreign aide, Benghazi, ISIS, global warming, the DOE and EPA, there is silence.
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Amazing thing to read from a guy who supports the man who rode a wave of anger to the top of the GOP ticket.
Why aren't you angry? That's the real question.
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Breaks my heart to see so many dead-enders here on a forum I thought of as home. Appears a whole lot of forum swapping happens in presidential primary years.
At first it was an interesting political campaign, but now #nevertrump is really just #welcomehillary. A political hashtag temper tantrum that I can't/won't abide.
Just my humble opinion, but be careful how you deal with your perceived loss and from whom you accept comfort in your moment of grief. You'll need sound reasoning, not emotion, come November.
It's funny considering how much grief they gave Michelle O. for her hash tag campaigns.
What's not too funny is they don't realize they are being used by the same people they detest ....the GOPe
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Why aren't you angry? That's the real question.
One can be angry without making decisions based on that anger.
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The orange guy wants to ban so called assault rifles. He praised Obama's histrionics on gun control following Sandy Hook killings.
His ideas for governing are no different than Bernie's. He wants the gummint to take care of everyone. Everything will be beaultiful, we'll all be so happy.
He has said more crackpot things than any other candidate of either party in my lifetime.
No knowing what he will do next, now that he has determined that the pen and phone are all he needs.
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What fascinates me is how many alleged conservative adults claim there is no difference between Trump and Hillary. But when asked to explain how they are the same in regards to the 2nd Amendment, the military, border security, foreign policy, foreign aide, Benghazi, ISIS, global warming, the DOE and EPA, there is silence.
We don't know how Trump is on anything because he hasn't governed a single day in his life.
We know what he's said, and we know what he's flip flopped on. We also know, in his own words, that he will say anything he needs to say in order to win.
He was in favor of gun control measures before he was against them.
There's a world of difference between saying and doing.
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One can be angry without making decisions based on that anger.
Reason I asked is the GOP hasn't done anything to slow the Leftist agenda and not much anger coming from the electorate to show we care.
WHY?
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I would prefer the status quo to Bernie. The man has shit for brains and so do his supporters. Period.
Granted,but that doesn't mean he isn't as smart as either Trump or Bubbette!,and both of them parrot the socialist line but don't mean it.
I'd love to see him defeat Bubbette! for the Dim nomination.
Just think,that would mean BOTH branches of the ruling party got their assed handed to them in the same election cycle,and both of their party favorites got beaten by outsiders.
Hell,I may vote for Bernie myself if he beats Bubbette! and is running against Trump. Bernie is just a well-meaning fool,but Trump is evil to the bone.
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He's already said it wouldn't be a Leftist. [despite the wet dreams of that party]
So what? If his lips are moving,he's lying.
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What fascinates me is how many alleged conservative adults claim there is no difference between Trump and Hillary. But when asked to explain how they are the same in regards to the 2nd Amendment, the military, border security, foreign policy, foreign aide, Benghazi, ISIS, global warming, the DOE and EPA, there is silence.
What makes you think that narcissistic sociopath with the orange hair doesn't agree with Bubbette! on every single issue?
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There's a world of difference between saying and doing.
We know exactly what Hillary will do. The GOP has come to the realization that Trump is the nominee and that they had better work together for the sake of the country. If Hillary wins, bend over, grab your ankles and kiss your a$$ goodbye.
Texas GOP Starts To Rally Behind Trump As Nominee
By Patrick Svitek Texas Tribune • 22 hours ago
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What fascinates me is how many alleged conservative adults claim there is no difference between Trump and Hillary. But when asked to explain how they are the same in regards to the 2nd Amendment, the military, border security, foreign policy, foreign aide, Benghazi, ISIS, global warming, the DOE and EPA, there is silence.
You raise some valid points if there was a difference between Clinton and Trump but I don't perceive any difference, they are both NY liberals. If anything, in my view Clinton is probably more Conservative than the Orange one, she's certainly got bigger hands.
As to the 2nd, I don't care I lost my weapons years ago in an unfortunate boating accident :laugh:, but seriously nothing will change unless the SC changes and I simply don't believe Trump's nominees will be any better that Clinton's. Trump sat out Vietnam as so many little rich boys in our generation did, I volunteered and I'm sorry, he didn't care about the military then and I don't believe he cares now. Foreign policy give me a break he's clueless. ISIS he probably thinks thats a name for a real hot babe he'd like to date... got my drift? I don't believe anything that Trump says and I think his supporters are foolish for believing him but this America and everyone has a right to be a sucker and be played for a fool.
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Maybe you'd be able to explain to all of us how Trump and Hillary are the same on the 2nd Amendment, the military, secure borders, the DOE, EPA, Benghazi and foreign policy?
As much as Trump flip flops, he will have 20 positions on each of those by next week. Both Hitlerly and Trump are liberals. I prefer none of the above.
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You raise some valid points if there was a difference between Clinton and Trump but I don't perceive any difference, they are both NY liberals. If anything, in my view Clinton is probably more Conservative than the Orange one, she's certainly got bigger hands.
As to the 2nd, I don't care I lost my weapons years ago in an unfortunate boating accident :laugh:, but seriously nothing will change unless the SC changes and I simply don't believe Trump's nominees will be any better that Clinton's. Trump sat out Vietnam as so many little rich boys in our generation did, I volunteered and I'm sorry, he didn't care about the military then and I don't believe he cares now. Foreign policy give me a break he's clueless. ISIS he probably thinks thats a name for a real hot babe he'd like to date... got my drift? I don't believe anything that Trump says and I think his supporters are foolish for believing him but this America and everyone has a right to be a sucker and be played for a fool.
As I suspected. A rebuttal without substance. You are just expressing your dislike and beliefs.
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As much as Trump flip flops, he will have 20 positions on each of those by next week. Both Hitlerly and Trump are liberals. I prefer none of the above.
As I suspected.
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As I suspected. A rebuttal without substance.
Well when you support a candidate without substance thats the only rational argument. There is on old saying, you can't prove a negative, and your boy is a negative...
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No, I will not. Probably vote Gary Johnson just to prove that it was an intentional snub of both. I live in a severely blue state, so it doesn't matter anyway, it goes to Hillary.
I live in PA and after the conventions, I will be closely watching the polling here but most likely PA will go to Clinton so like you, my vote probably won’t matter.
I will also be watching how far Trump flip flops or changes his primary positions (more than he’s already done in just the last few days), how far left he will shift to get the Sander’s vote….etc.
If it ends up being a very close call here in PA and in order to deny Hillary the EC votes for PA, I may hold my nose very, very, very hard, to the point of requiring reconstructive surgery afterward and vote for Trump, hoping for the best, that he wouldn’t be the total disaster I think he will be, but at this point I’ll probably vote Libertarian as I did in ’96.
I watched both Libertarian debates on Stossel and I actually liked Austin Peterson better than Gary Johnson who I thought was very week on some personal liberty and private property issues (i.e. supported forcing people to provide services against their conscience or religious beliefs, i.e. the bakers) who and is “agnostic” to pro-choice on abortion whereas Peterson is pro-life, but I presume Johnson will be the Libertarian candidate.
But if we are going to go bat guano crazy anyway – why not John McAfee?
And truth be told, it is sort of a sad state of affairs when I have to question if McAfee doesn’t come off sounding a bit less crazy and a tad more rational than Trump. At least McAfee is consistent in his views and owns up to his past mistakes. :silly:
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As I suspected. A rebuttal without substance.
Well when you support a candidate without substance thats the only rational argument. There is on old saying, you can't prove a negative, and your boy is a negative...
Your boy? Why don't you leave that crap at FR?
Texas GOP Starts To Rally Behind Trump As Nominee
By Patrick Svitek Texas Tribune • 22 hours ago
http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/trump-concealed-carry-permit/2015/10/03/id/694581/
"This is about self-defense, plain and simple," he said.
His plan includes defending the rights of law-abiding gun owners, as well as strengthening the national FBI's background checks system and increasing mental-health services.
Trump also wants to allow military personnel to carry guns on bases.
"It's not the guns, it’s these sick people," he said, later adding: "They have background checks already in place. That was done in 1998, but people slip through — and our government is not doing a good job."
He also called for a "National Right to Carry," in which a concealed carry permit issued in one state would apply throughout the country.
"I'm a very big Second Amendment person," Trump said to cheers from the audience. "It's very, very important to me."
Breaking News at Newsmax.com http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/trump-concealed-carry-permit/2015/10/03/id/694581/#ixzz47uZ1KCU5
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WHY?
Because the electorate has moved left. Ergo Bernie Sanders.
Conservatism is a somewhat unnatural position to hold since societies naturally tend to become more permissive rather than less permissive if allowed to evolve freely.
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Your boy? Why don't you leave that crap at FR?
A few days ago I read you telling someone that they posted like a ten year-old.
Grow up.
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A few days ago I read you telling someone that they posted like a ten year-old.
Grow up.
Apparently it wasn't understood.
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Your boy? Why don't you leave that crap at FR?
Twsmax.com/Headline/trump-concealed-carry-permit/2015/10/03/id/694581/#ixzz47uZ1KCU5
Really... I've refrained from responding to your comment's for the same reason that for the most part, I would not respond to those on FR who are emotionally vested in their Orange candidate. I get that you are 100% behind Trump, he says what you want to hear. In every political post I've seen since I have been here you you eventually show up and carpet bomb with your defense of Trump, while claiming those not supporting your view and your candidate refuse to respond with your self defined version of "substance".
I don't presume to tell you or anyone else where to post...but I would observe that emotional responses work at TOS, but from I've enjoyed about this site so far..not so much.
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Really... I've refrained from responding to your comment's for the same reason that for the most part, I would not respond to those on FR who are emotionally vested in their Orange candidate. I get that you are 100% behind Trump, he says what you want to hear. In every political post I've seen since I have been here you you eventually show up and carpet bomb with your defense of Trump, while claiming those not supporting your view and your candidate refuse to respond with your self defined version of "substance".
I don't presume to tell you or anyone else where to post...but I would observe that emotional responses work at TOS, but from I've enjoyed about this site so far..not so much.
The only people being emotional are those hurling the insults and doing the juvenile name-calling. Have you seen me call Cruz stupid, insulting names? Have I referred to his supporters as being idiots, cultists, morons or worse? Tell me, do you honestly believe referring to a Presidential candidate in your own party as the orange candidate or orange baboon is substantial? When I was banned from FR years ago I thought I left that kind of nonsense.
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Really... I've refrained from responding to your comment's for the same reason that for the most part, I would not respond to those on FR who are emotionally vested in their Orange candidate. I get that you are 100% behind Trump, he says what you want to hear. In every political post I've seen since I have been here you you eventually show up and carpet bomb with your defense of Trump, while claiming those not supporting your view and your candidate refuse to respond with your self defined version of "substance".
I don't presume to tell you or anyone else where to post...but I would observe that emotional responses work at TOS, but from I've enjoyed about this site so far..not so much.
The avaliable ignore feature here works quite well.
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How about we all try to not make this look like TOS by via the insultathon? As Bigun pointed out, the ignore feature is available...for all! :laugh:
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Can you say "Mussolini,Part 2". We can just all him "El Douche". That's close enough.
I think he sees himself as King Trump - like Henry VIII. There may be similarities (numerous marriages; quashing dissent):
Henry VIII:
"Besides his six marriages and many extramarital affairs, as well as his effort to obtain an annulment of his marriage to Catherine of Aragon which lead to conflict with the Pope, Henry is known for his subsequent and consequential role in the separation of the Church of England from the Roman Catholic Church. His disagreements with the Pope led to his separation of the Church of England from papal authority, with himself, as king, as the Supreme Head of the Church of England and to the Dissolution of the Monasteries.
He is also well known for a long personal rivalry with both Francis I of France and the Holy Roman Emperor Charles V, with whom he frequently warred.
Domestically, Henry is known for his radical changes to the English Constitution, ushering in the theory of the divine right of kings to England. ...he greatly expanded royal power. Charges of treason and heresy were commonly used to quash dissent, and those accused were often executed without a formal trial, by means of bills of attainder. He achieved many of his political aims through the work of his chief ministers, some of whom were banished or executed when they fell out of his favor. "
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I think he sees himself as King Trump - like Henry VIII. There may be similarities (numerous marriages; quashing dissent):
Henry VIII:
"Besides his six marriages and many extramarital affairs, as well as his effort to obtain an annulment of his marriage to Catherine of Aragon which lead to conflict with the Pope, Henry is known for his subsequent and consequential role in the separation of the Church of England from the Roman Catholic Church. His disagreements with the Pope led to his separation of the Church of England from papal authority, with himself, as king, as the Supreme Head of the Church of England and to the Dissolution of the Monasteries.
He is also well known for a long personal rivalry with both Francis I of France and the Holy Roman Emperor Charles V, with whom he frequently warred.
Domestically, Henry is known for his radical changes to the English Constitution, ushering in the theory of the divine right of kings to England. ...he greatly expanded royal power. Charges of treason and heresy were commonly used to quash dissent, and those accused were often executed without a formal trial, by means of bills of attainder. He achieved many of his political aims through the work of his chief ministers, some of whom were banished or executed when they fell out of his favor. "
All,true,but Mussolini is a more recent reference to a dictator that typical people will recognize. Sadly,most people these days know nothing about history and care even less.
Which is why our politicians keep getting away with so much. People with an interest in history understand the one unchanging thing in the whole world is human nature. All you have to do is look to the leaders in the past and compare their personalities and circumstances to the current and fledgling leaders,and you can draw a pretty accurate chart on how they will act in office.
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No I will not vote for Trump....I will sit this election out or vote downticket only.....probably vote down ticket and write in Cruz
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And after the polling closes, Trump fails to break his 30-something percent ceiling.
In a right-wing forum.
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I watched both Libertarian debates on Stossel and I actually liked Austin Peterson better than Gary Johnson who I thought was very week on some personal liberty and private property issues (i.e. supported forcing people to provide services against their conscience or religious beliefs, i.e. the bakers)
That does Johnson for me. If I am going to vote for a dictator,I might as well vote for a "honest" (?) one and cast my vote for Bubbette! or Trump.
You can NOT be an actual Libertarian and agree with the premise the state has the authority to force businesses to do business with people they don't want to do business with,unless it is a matter of life or death. Bakers,and others,have as much right to refuse to things offensive to their personal beliefs as anyone else. Claiming they HAVE to bake homosexual-themed cakes for homosexuals is the equivalent of forcing homosexuals to marry hetrosexuals. If one has a right to live according to their beliefs,so does the other.
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Is it too late to vote?
Nevertrump Neverhitlery.
I'll go find a nice 3rd party.
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Is it too late to vote?
Nevertrump Neverhitlery.
I'll go find a nice 3rd party.
It's never too late to go for a third party, or anything else that will be consonant with your principles.
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Is it too late to vote?
Nevertrump Neverhitlery.
I'll go find a nice 3rd party.
I'm anxious to see what happens when the Convention Committee makes the new rules.....and we'll see thereafter how then goes convention....I'm still holding out for divine intervention!
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I'm anxious to see what happens when the Convention Committee makes the new rules.....and we'll see thereafter how then goes convention....I'm still holding out for divine intervention!
I'm praying for it!
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I'm anxious to see what happens when the Convention Committee makes the new rules.....and we'll see thereafter how then goes convention....I'm still holding out for divine intervention!
What makes you hopeful? You DO realize it will be the same political insiders making the new rules that made the old rules that give them more power and the citizens less power,right?
Why would anyone think the babysitters of the rabid Party People are going to vote for anything that lessens their power and access to the public treasury?
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No.
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Our political system has finally devolved to the point where the Party People's favorite chant of "If you don't vote for X,no matter how horrible they are,you are going to get Y,and they are even worse!" is now meaningless. The One Ruling Party has now reached rock bottom,and it is no longer possible to do worse than either of the likely suspects,so why bother to vote for either of them?
I have been maintaining for years that the biggest change we need to make to our political system is to have a mandatory "None of the Above" block on the ballots for all election to all public offices,and that in any election where "None of the Above" gets the most votes,the parties that ran a candidate for that office MUST finance another election for that office with their own money,and with another candidate.
Talk about a sure-fire method of getting candidates that appeal to the voters and not the party insiders and their money men!
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I saw a post on TOS on a thread that has since been pulled claiming that if Cruz is successful at the Convention, we are all going to be hanging from lamp posts. There was more, but I can't remember it. Very threatening.
They want us to vote for their mistake, but if he isn't nominated; they will kill us all.
On that same thread 2DV asked if they would vote for Cruz in the future if he runs again, making note that it took Reagan three tries. Not a single person said they would. The comments were derisive such as they wouldn't vote for him for dogcatcher, will never vote for him for anything, his political career is over, going to primary him in 2018, ..., etc.
Not overly bright things to say considering they need our votes.
It just occurred to me that you would never read this about Cruz supporters. Obviously, they're not all like this and in fact the vast majority of them are not, but the Trump movement does seem to attract a certain group of easily unhinged people.
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It just occurred to me that you would never read this about Cruz supporters. Obviously, they're not all like this and in fact the vast majority of them are not, but the Trump movement does seem to attract a certain group of easily unhinged people.
If you mean "pissed off because of not being represented or listened to", unhinged could apply. [gotta wonder if we didn't create that monster ourselves]
I wasn't originally a Trump supporter and at my age, have learned to tone down the emotion.
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I saw a post on TOS on a thread that has since been pulled claiming that if Cruz is successful at the Convention, we are all going to be hanging from lamp posts. There was more, but I can't remember it. Very threatening.
They want us to vote for their mistake, but if he isn't nominated; they will kill us all.
On that same thread 2DV asked if they would vote for Cruz in the future if he runs again, making note that it took Reagan three tries. Not a single person said they would. The comments were derisive such as they wouldn't vote for him for dogcatcher, will never vote for him for anything, his political career is over, going to primary him in 2018, ..., etc.
Not overly bright things to say considering they need our votes.
You say you saw a post that has since been removed - that said Cruz people were going to be hanging from lamp posts.
And then you said:
They want us to vote for their mistake, but if he isn't nominated; they will kill us all.
:wtf!:
First of all - you said yourself the post was deleted. Any public forum can have trolls that throw Molotov Cocktail statements like that just to instigate and also to make the site look bad. The fact that it was removed means that it wasn't an appropriate comment to the admins. You just happened to see it before they could take it down. Means they wanted no part of those sentiments. They did what they should have done.
They want us to vote for their mistake, but if he isn't nominated; they will kill us all.
Who is this "they"? "They" want to KILL us all?????
I know that you don't believe that kind of hogwash - I just know you don't.
You paint all of us with a pretty wide brush - hard to have rational dialogue with that kind of over-the-top rhetoric.
I'm just going to assume that you so disturbed by that post that you just got caught up in it and were having an emotional reaction when you saw that. I know you don't think that I, or the vast majority of Trump supporters, want to kill you.
Sigh.
I hate this political strife as much as anyone - I'm a lover, not a fighter. I apologize for not realizing the fear and anxiety - not to mention the feeling of hurt - that people that backed other candidates are going through right now. I'd like to think that most of us really are trying to heal a rift - there's always a few that stick out - but I guess we're trying to push our point of view a little too quickly to allow for a proper grieving period. I'm going to stay away from these threads for awhile and I think the other Trumpers should too - to give you all time to heal and think about where you are going from here on out.
We're not changing anyone's mind this way - perhaps making it worse. It's an emotional cauldron right now and I'm going to back off. We're all pretty fearful right now and it really shows in almost every thread on this forum.
Believe me when I say that I don't hate, or want to hurt, anyone that doesn't like Trump. I want to convince people that he is a better choice than the alternative and I realize some think he is the same or worse. You all need time to work it out.
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Trump hasn't yet won me over. He needs to work on it.
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Trump hasn't yet won me over. He needs to work on it.
:amen:
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Trump hasn't yet won me over. He needs to work on it.
Yes. I owe my vote to no one.
He needs to earn it.
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Yes. I owe my vote to no one.
He needs to earn it.
I'm so old I can remember when almost everybody thought politicians had to earn their votes.
Now it seems like they just demand you vote for them,"or someone even worse will win!"
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I'm so old I can remember when almost everybody thought politicians had to earn their votes.
Now it seems like they just demand you vote for them,"or someone even worse will win!"
goopo
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A candidate has only to earn the vote of more supporting voters than the other guy, otherwise known as the loser.
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Vote forTrump?
OH HELL NO
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No. I'll either write a selection for President or leave it blank.
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Here's an honest question for Trump supporters who argue that the polls showing Trump's national negatives at nearly 70% are manipulated to show Trump in a negative light.
Here, in a forum made up of politically active right of center individuals, the vote shows that 64% of the members have enough of a negative image of Trump that they will not vote for him in the General election.
Who is manipulating this poll, and for what reason?
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Here's an honest question for Trump supporters who argue that the polls showing Trump's national negatives at nearly 70% are manipulated to show Trump in a negative light.
Here, in a forum made up of politically active right of center individuals, the vote shows that 64% of the members have enough of a negative image of Trump that they will not vote for him in the General election.
Who is manipulating this poll, and for what reason?
BINGO!
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I don't know. Either way, I will vote against Clintoon. Can I vote for Trump? I honestly don't know.
You only have two possible choices at this point, Sanguine: Hillary, or Trump. I don't know how you can "honestly" vote for Clinton. She has a decades-long history of dishonesty and malfeasance in public office. With Hillary, you know what you're getting. But why would you want it?
On the other hand, there are people about who evidently think they are experts on Donald Trump, and they have found him to be "no good." They would subject their personal virtue to sullying if they ever found anything good to say about the man, let alone vote for him for president. It seems they run around in packs. I suspect this bunch is operating under some kind of hypnotic suggestion, their minds being hermetically sealed against any idea that Trump -- for all his faults -- is still objectively a better choice than Hillary.
But evidently, one's self-satisfaction with the state of one's personal virtue "trumps" all other considerations. The country can go to hell in a hand basket, just so long as we can congratulate ourselves on our pristine personal virtue....
All this, at a time when our nation needs all the help it can get to clean out the endemic corruption of our political system....
I hope you virtuous folk will just decide to stay home on election day. You might as well, you are no help at all.
When Hillary starts nominating Supreme Court justices, you stay-at-homes have zero standing to complain if you don't like them.
Good luck to all.
@wolfcreek
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I won't be staying at home. I will vote third party. Failure to vote thusly will help elect one of the two worst candidates in American history.
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You only have two possible choices at this point, Sanguine: Hillary, or Trump. I don't know how you can "honestly" vote for Clinton. She has a decades-long history of dishonesty and malfeasance in public office. With Hillary, you know what you're getting. But why would you want it?
On the other hand, there are people about who evidently think they are experts on Donald Trump, and they have found him to be "no good." They would subject their personal virtue to sullying if they ever found anything good to say about the man, let alone vote for him for president. It seems they run around in packs. I suspect this bunch is operating under some kind of hypnotic suggestion, their minds being hermetically sealed against any idea that Trump -- for all his faults -- is still objectively a better choice than Hillary.
But evidently, one's self-satisfaction with the state of one's personal virtue "trumps" all other considerations. The country can go to hell in a hand basket, just so long as we can congratulate ourselves on our pristine personal virtue....
All this, at a time when our nation needs all the help it can get to clean out the endemic corruption of our political system....
I hope you virtuous folk will just decide to stay home on election day. You might as well, you are no help at all.
When Hillary starts nominating Supreme Court justices, you stay-at-homes have zero standing to complain if you don't like them.
Good luck to all.
@wolfcreek
A complete load of bovine fecal matter from start to finish!
There will be choices other than Trump or Hillary on my ballot an I will definitely choose one of them.
I'm sick and tired of being held hostage by the dempublican party! Not going to play that anymore!
@betty boop
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You only have two possible choices at this point, Sanguine: Hillary, or Trump. I don't know how you can "honestly" vote for Clinton. She has a decades-long history of dishonesty and malfeasance in public office. With Hillary, you know what you're getting. But why would you want it?
On the other hand, there are people about who evidently think they are experts on Donald Trump, and they have found him to be "no good." They would subject their personal virtue to sullying if they ever found anything good to say about the man, let alone vote for him for president. It seems they run around in packs. I suspect this bunch is operating under some kind of hypnotic suggestion, their minds being hermetically sealed against any idea that Trump -- for all his faults -- is still objectively a better choice than Hillary.
But evidently, one's self-satisfaction with the state of one's personal virtue "trumps" all other considerations. The country can go to hell in a hand basket, just so long as we can congratulate ourselves on our pristine personal virtue....
All this, at a time when our nation needs all the help it can get to clean out the endemic corruption of our political system....
I hope you virtuous folk will just decide to stay home on election day. You might as well, you are no help at all.
When Hillary starts nominating Supreme Court justices, you stay-at-homes have zero standing to complain if you don't like them.
Good luck to all.
@wolfcreek
Actually, @betty boop , we don't officially have a candidate yet, so I don't have to make a decision at this point in time. And, I will do every thing I can to make sure it's not DT.
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You only have two possible choices at this point, Sanguine: Hillary, or Trump.
That is not true.
But evidently, one's self-satisfaction with the state of one's personal virtue "trumps" all other considerations. The country can go to hell in a hand basket, just so long as we can congratulate ourselves on our pristine personal virtue....
Your statement is beyond all offense. Principled Conservatives have always had a ready criteria by which their endorsement is achieved. It is a simple thing. If your candidate does not measure up, then figure out how to get him elected without Conservatives, because that's what you'll need to do. You'll change no one's mind with this insulting 'purist' line.
All this, at a time when our nation needs all the help it can get to clean out the endemic corruption of our political system....
To place your bets on a man of such low character is more a problem in all y'all's figuring... not in the normative calculation of Conservatives. To expect one who is himself corrupt to fix corruption is a monumental breach of logic.
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That is not true.
Your statement is beyond all offense. Principled Conservatives have always had a ready criteria by which their endorsement is achieved. It is a simple thing. If your candidate does not measure up, then figure out how to get him elected without Conservatives, because that's what you'll need to do. You'll change no one's mind with this insulting 'purist' line.
To place your bets on a man of such low character is more a problem in all y'all's figuring... not in the normative calculation of Conservatives. To expect one who is himself corrupt to fix corruption is a monumental breach of logic.
@ betty boop
:amen: :amen: :amen:!
HEY! Let's ALL vote the popular perceived lesser of two evils once again!
So what if all we got was more evil from doing that each time it has been done before? THIS time it's going to work! (/extreme sarcasm)
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You only have two possible choices at this point, Sanguine: Hillary, or Trump. I don't know how you can "honestly" vote for Clinton. She has a decades-long history of dishonesty and malfeasance in public office. With Hillary, you know what you're getting. But why would you want it?
On the other hand, there are people about who evidently think they are experts on Donald Trump, and they have found him to be "no good." They would subject their personal virtue to sullying if they ever found anything good to say about the man, let alone vote for him for president. It seems they run around in packs. I suspect this bunch is operating under some kind of hypnotic suggestion, their minds being hermetically sealed against any idea that Trump -- for all his faults -- is still objectively a better choice than Hillary.
But evidently, one's self-satisfaction with the state of one's personal virtue "trumps" all other considerations. The country can go to hell in a hand basket, just so long as we can congratulate ourselves on our pristine personal virtue....
All this, at a time when our nation needs all the help it can get to clean out the endemic corruption of our political system....
I hope you virtuous folk will just decide to stay home on election day. You might as well, you are no help at all.
When Hillary starts nominating Supreme Court justices, you stay-at-homes have zero standing to complain if you don't like them.
Good luck to all.
@wolfcreek
The problem here is that Trump supporters brought this election down to two unacceptable choices, and now you all want to stick everyone else with the fault for the likely outcome of the general election.
BUT, the likely outcome of the election (a Clinton win) has been one of the main reasons why those who oppose Trump have opposed Trump from the start. That and the belief that he would be a dangerously unpredictable POTUS with little or no understanding of our Constitution, and a penchant for expanding the idea of an Imperial Executive. So those who got us to this point are the ones who own the outcome, and own those SCOTUS choices by Clinton.
I truly hope that I am wrong.
I hope that Trump does win, and that if he does that he is a truly wonderful President. I'd rather be dead wrong than right, because if I am right, if trump loses to Clinton and takes our Congressinal majorities down with him, or if he wins and he is as bad a President as I believe he would be, he will be the catalyst for the destruction of effective right-wing politics in the U.S. for quite a long time.
We are here because Trump supporters brought us here.
Whatever happens going forward, you own it, because you made it happen.
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I will have to say, over the past several months I've seen the most ingenious ways to tell the world that if you vote for Trump in November and he loses...it's your fault. And since I'm not going to vote for him, Hillary will win...and it will be your fault...
:huh?:
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A complete load of bovine fecal matter from start to finish!
There will be choices other than Trump or Hillary on my ballot an I will definitely choose one of them.
I'm sick and tired of being held hostage by the dempublican party! Not going to play that anymore!
@betty boop
Guess you would prefer being the hostage of EIGHT years [beyond that once they continue to derail the Constitution and stack the court] of another Clinton?
Is that what you really want?
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Guess you would prefer being the hostage of EIGHT years [beyond that once they continue to derail the Constitution and stack the court] of another Clinton?
Is that what you really want?
No! It isn't what I want but it's what I'm going to get if either Trump or HIllary becomes president! They are one in the same! Both members of the same criminal enterprise and they are both laughing their asses off right now!
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The problem here is that Trump supporters brought this election down to two unacceptable choices, and now you all want to stick everyone else with the fault for the likely outcome of the general election.
BUT, the likely outcome of the election (a Clinton win) has been one of the main reasons why those who oppose Trump have opposed Trump from the start. That and the belief that he would be a dangerously unpredictable POTUS with little or no understanding of our Constitution, and a penchant for expanding the idea of an Imperial Executive. So those who got us to this point are the ones who own the outcome, and own those SCOTUS choices by Clinton.
I truly hope that I am wrong.
I hope that Trump does win, and that if he does that he is a truly wonderful President. I'd rather be dead wrong than right, because if I am right, if trump loses to Clinton and takes our Congressinal majorities down with him, or if he wins and he is as bad a President as I believe he would be, he will be the catalyst for the destruction of effective right-wing politics in the U.S. for quite a long time.
We are here because Trump supporters brought us here.
Whatever happens going forward, you own it, because you made it happen.
How many times have you and others trashed the GOP, the Congress in general and the last several Republican POTUSs] for being either totally ineffective at countering the Progressive Left or practically become their allies? Well, you were right.
Open your eyes. They are not on your side and your side is a minority.
People who support Trump have moved on. If you want to be politically relevant, I suggest you do the same.
Just like the last several Democrat wins, the disgruntled stayed at home or voted for some obscure 'other' party candidate. For the sake of this country, Don't let that happen again.
BTW: I voted for Cruz so, I didn't make chit happen. The majority of Republican voters selected Trump and now I will cast my vote for him. That's unless you stab him in the back and guarantee a Hillary presidency.
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But evidently, one's self-satisfaction with the state of one's personal virtue "trumps" all other considerations. The country can go to hell in a hand basket, just so long as we can congratulate ourselves on our pristine personal virtue....
That's not it at all, certainly not for me. I'm prepared to vote against Trump because Trump is more dangerous to the nation than Clinton is. The choice this year is between two evils, and I am being forced to decide which one is more awful. Fine, if you insist, then I'll decide. You won't like it. I won't like it. But I'll decide.
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No! It isn't what I want but it's what I'm going to get if either Trump or HIllary becomes president! They are one in the same! Both members of the same criminal enterprise and they are both laughing their asses off right now!
I stopped with "They are one in the same" You and I both know that's not factual. Hillary is Obama II and we know where he's taken this country.
Whatever Trump is, it's not Hillary.
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I stopped with "They are one in the same" You and I both know that's not factual. Hillary is Obama II and we know where he's taken this country.
Whatever Trump is, it's not Hillary.
You are free to continue in your self delusion!
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You are free to continue in your self delusion!
To avoid disrespecting a fellow Texan, I won't say the same.
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I stopped with "They are one in the same" You and I both know that's not factual. Hillary is Obama II and we know where he's taken this country.
Whatever Trump is, it's not Hillary.
Trump wants to "open up" libel laws... an attack on the First Amendment's guarantee of freedom of the press.
Trump wants to allow the Federal government to deny anyone they want to put on some sort of ill-defined arbitrary and unregulated list of "enemies of the State" their 2A right to buy a gun.
It's a matter of which individual you prefer being in charge of violating the Constitution.
Trump exists in a world where there isn't a Congress or a Constitution. Where his will is all that matters and his experts will make those things he wants to happen, happen, and while I agree that a Hillary Presidency would be bad news, I can't even begin to make the argument that a Trump Imperial Presidency would be less bad.
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To avoid disrespecting a fellow Texan, I won't say the same.
"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclination, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."
John Adams
"You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality"
Ayn Rand
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"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclination, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."
John Adams
"You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality"
Ayn Rand
Avoiding reality is exactly what the antiTrumps/proHillarys are doing.
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Trump wants to "open up" libel laws... an attack on the First Amendment's guarantee of freedom of the press.
Trump wants to allow the Federal government to deny anyone they want to put on some sort of ill-defined arbitrary and unregulated list of "enemies of the State" their 2A right to buy a gun.
It's a matter of which individual you prefer being in charge of violating the Constitution.
Trump exists in a world where there isn't a Congress or a Constitution. Where his will is all that matters and his experts will make those things he wants to happen, happen, and while I agree that a Hillary Presidency would be bad news, I can't even begin to make the argument that a Trump Imperial Presidency would be less bad.
It's all about the amnesty with you isn't it. Excuses \Excuses.
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It's all about the amnesty with you isn't it. Excuses \Excuses.
Typical Trump supporter.
Bigot follows a bigot.
Amnesty has not even entered into this equation, but you saw my last name and made the typically bigoted assumption.
Why don't you address the substance of the post instead of engaging in a Trump tactic?
Because you can't, and you can't because you lack the intellect to do it.
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I stopped with "They are one in the same" You and I both know that's not factual. Hillary is Obama II and we know where he's taken this country.
Whatever Trump is, it's not Hillary.
Trump is a Rockefeller republican, a particularly pernicious form of republican endemic to NYC that is basically nothing my more than a rich white liberal who is too embarrassed, or narcissistic, to be seen together with the grubby street protestors who inhabit the DNC. He'll be as bad as, if not worse than, Michael Bloomberg, another rich NYC businessman and republican of convenience, who governed as a very liberal mayor. In other words, he'll be just as bad as Clinton, with the only variation being in irrelevant details.
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The only thing that makes me want to vote for him is when the liberals riot against him. I don't want them to win. Other than that...Trump is moving to the left as expected and is completely untrustworthy. Libertarian is looking better and better every day...even if it is that doofus Johnson as the nominee.
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Typical Trump supporter.
Bigot follows a bigot.
Amnesty has not even entered into this equation, but you saw my last name and made the typically bigoted assumption.
Why don't you address the substance of the post instead of engaging in a Trump tactic?
Because you can't, and you can't because you lack the intellect to do it.
Tell me you weren't a Jeb voter.
BTW: I need to see some sources before I comment on your accusations against Trump.
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Trump is a Rockefeller republican, a particularly pernicious form of republican endemic to NYC that is basically nothing my more than a rich white liberal who is too embarrassed, or narcissistic, to be seen together with the grubby street protestors who inhabit the DNC. He'll be as bad as, if not worse than, Michael Bloomberg, another rich NYC businessman and republican of convenience, who governed as a very liberal mayor. In other words, he'll be just as bad as Clinton, with the only variation being in irrelevant details.
No one would be as bad as Hillary. The fact that someone would think that is disturbing.
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No one would be as bad as Hillary. The fact that someone would think that is disturbing.
Well the issue is if Trump wins who will be the party to push us to the right? If Hillary wins we have a chance of getting conservatives in congress to stop her agenda. If Trump wins we get more liberals in congress and he'll pass their agenda.
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If Hillary wins we have a chance of getting conservatives in congress to stop her agenda.
I see the hope in the statement, but the obamunist had two terms and they had both houses of congress for the second. they did NOTHING. not only that, this last omnibus bill gave dems more than they asked for. Somehow, I don't trust them to fight hillary.
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I see the hope in the statement, but the obamunist had two terms and they had both houses of congress for the second. they did NOTHING. not only that, this last omnibus bill gave dems more than they asked for. Somehow, I don't trust them to fight hillary.
True that's the dilemma we are in. Do we vote for Trump and go left and pray he makes some good decisions. Or do we vote Libertarian and pray congress can keep Hillary in check? Both are bad choices. But when faced with the lessor of two evils...choose neither.
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True that's the dilemma we are in. Do we vote for Trump and go left and pray he makes some good decisions. Or do we vote Libertarian and pray congress can keep Hillary in check? Both are bad choices. But when faced with the lessor of two evils...choose neither.
then we will agree to disagree.
I have to admit that I have a visceral hatred for the Benghazi Bitch Hillary Clinton.
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then we will agree to disagree.
I have to admit that I have a visceral hatred for the Benghazi Bitch Hillary Clinton.
Unfortunately your hate for Hillary isn't shared by many here. I still don't understand why.
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Unfortunately your hate for Hillary isn't shared by many here. I still don't understand why.
Wolfcreek, that is simply untrue. You know better.
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Unfortunately your hate for Hillary isn't shared by many here. I still don't understand why.
Come on over to TCG for friendly conversation :beer:
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[quote author=Luis Gonzalez link=topic=203243msg934761#msg934761 date=146639609
>> I'd rather be dead wrong than right, because if I am right, if trump loses to Clinton and takes our Congressinal majorities down with him, or if he wins and he is as bad a President as I believe he would be, he will be the catalyst for the destruction of effective right-wing politics in the U.S. for quite a long time.
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Cheer up,Luis! The right -wing was effectively destroyed in this country after the actual Republicans took congress away from the Dims for the 1st time in 40 years,and then allowed life-long elected Dims from leftist states to switch parties and take over control of what is today,the alleged Republican Party; Ever since then it has been a race between the DNC and the RNC to see who can go the furthest life in the shortest time.
I see a defeat of Trump after he defeated all the fake and semi-fake "conservative" Republicans as a possible first big step to the long-overdue destruction of the today's alleged Republican Party,and the formation of a new actual conservative party that has sense enough to refuse to allow the movers and shakers from the RNC to join as anything other than voting members.
It is a FACT that EVERY time an actual conservative political runs for the WH,they win,and they usually win big. We keep forgetting that in these days of both major political parties being controlled by leftists/globalists. /size]
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People who support Trump have moved on. If you want to be politically relevant, I suggest you do the same.
Ahhh,yes! The old "join the winning party and you too can be a winner!" argument! Never mind that in "winning" you are moving one step closer to the destruction of America as a free and independent nation,YOU ARE ON THE WINNING SIDE!"
No thanks. Bring on the revolution.
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Well the issue is if Trump wins who will be the party to push us to the right? If Hillary wins we have a chance of getting conservatives in congress to stop her agenda. If Trump wins we get more liberals in congress and he'll pass their agenda.
How do we wind up with conservatives in congress if Hillary wins but liberals there if Trump wins?
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It's a matter of which individual you prefer being in charge of violating the Constitution.
Trump exists in a world where there isn't a Congress or a Constitution. Where his will is all that matters and his experts will make those things he wants to happen, happen, and while I agree that a Hillary Presidency would be bad news, I can't even begin to make the argument that a Trump Imperial Presidency would be less bad.
Luis,what it really boils down to is that if you vote for either you have no right to call yourself a conservative because they are just different versions of the same globalist dictator. It's like having a choice of voting for Hitler or Stalin. Regardless of who wins,you ain't going to like it if you like living in a free country.
What it amounts to is you can choose to vote for whichever globalist you find the least offensive and be a "winner",or you can vote for neither and by voting for neither you have shown the powers that be that you have in effect voted to be an American.
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Typical Trump supporter.
Bigot follows a bigot.
Amnesty has not even entered into this equation, but you saw my last name and made the typically bigoted assumption.
Why don't you address the substance of the post instead of engaging in a Trump tactic?
Because you can't, and you can't because you lack the intellect to do it.
BINGO!
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Unfortunately your hate for Hillary isn't shared by many here. I still don't understand why.
Our love for our country is greater. If everyone voted Libertarian we could defeat Hillary and give us our freedom back! So get on the Libertarian train and vote to defeat both evils.
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I see the hope in the statement, but the obamunist had two terms and they had both houses of congress for the second. they did NOTHING. not only that, this last omnibus bill gave dems more than they asked for. Somehow, I don't trust them to fight hillary.
Ahhhh,but what you are overlooking is they love the power of being in office more than the Pope loves Jesus,and when/if they see the traditional conservative voters that usually can be counted on to follow the "vote for the lesser of two evils" Pied Piper desert them by a huge margin,they will start to get scared and then they will start to pay more attention to the voters than the lobbyists and other handlers in DC. After all,if you don't have a seat at the table you can collect any of the under the table money.
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How do we wind up with conservatives in congress if Hillary wins but liberals there if Trump wins?
Almost always the party of the President loses seats in congress (unless it's a war or some extreme issue that the nation rallies around the flag).
But if we all vote libertarian then I'm not sure who will take over congress...let's try it. It can't be worse then the other two options.
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Ahhh,yes! The old "join the winning party and you too can be a winner!" argument! Never mind that in "winning" you are moving one step closer to the destruction of America as a free and independent nation,YOU ARE ON THE WINNING SIDE!"
No thanks. Bring on the revolution.
No matter who wins, there will be some sort of revolution. In Hillary's case, a violent one, IMO.
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No matter who wins, there will be some sort of revolution. In Hillary's case, a violent one, IMO.
There will be no revolution--especially if Hillary wins. We have a long way to go before we see that. We'll need to get more like Venezuela and have that for several years before people wake up and realize they don't have freedom and the gov't has no more money to give free things to people to vote for them. Until that happens we are stuck in a death spiral.
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There will be no revolution--especially if Hillary wins. We have a long way to go before we see that. We'll need to get more like Venezuela and have that for several years before people wake up and realize they don't have freedom and the gov't has no more money to give free things to people to vote for them. Until that happens we are stuck in a death spiral.
Don't worry. Unless we break the stranglehold the globalist DNC and RNC have on our nation,we will be like Venezuela within 10 years. Maybe sooner because both keep importing more 3rd worlders in and giving them "Free stuff" for coming.
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Don't worry. Unless we break the stranglehold the globalist DNC and RNC have on our nation,we will be like Venezuela within 10 years. Maybe sooner because both keep importing more 3rd worlders in and giving them "Free stuff" for coming.
And terrorists...or is that the same thing? :pondering:
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Don't worry. Unless we break the stranglehold the globalist DNC and RNC have on our nation,we will be like Venezuela within 10 years. Maybe sooner because both keep importing more 3rd worlders in and giving them "Free stuff" for coming.
No they get free stuff for voting.
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And terrorists...or is that the same thing? :pondering:
No,but some of the 3rd worlders we are letting in are terrorists. Most are just parasites here for the "free stuff",though.
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Tell me you weren't a Jeb voter.
BTW: I need to see some sources before I comment on your accusations against Trump.
Yes, I was a Jeb voter.
Because as Governor of my State he reduced taxes by $19 billion.
Because as Governor of my State he reduced the size of government by more than 10% via privatization of government jobs.
Because as Governor of my State he defeated the teacher's unions and made Florida the first State to offer parents school choice.
Because as Governor of my State he brought the State's unemployment down to below 4%.
Because as Governor of my State our economy grew by 7.2 percent, on average, while the U.S. grew by 5 percent during the same period.
Because as Governor of my State the state went from having $1.3 billion to $9.8 billion in cash reserves.
Because as Governor of my State Florida became the first state to have "choose life" license plates during Bush's tenure, and the fees helped pregnant women.
Because as Governor of my State he ended the practice of Affirmative Action for State workers, State contractors and college admissions.
Because as Governor of my State he received an A+ rating from the NRA.
Maybe to you, there's only one issue that matters, but's makes you myopic, not right.
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Yes, I was a Jeb voter.
Because as Governor of my State he reduced taxes by $19 billion.
Because as Governor of my State he reduced the size of government by more than 10% via privatization of government jobs.
Because as Governor of my State he defeated the teacher's unions and made Florida the first State to offer parents school choice.
Because as Governor of my State he brought the State's unemployment down to below 4%.
Because as Governor of my State our economy grew by 7.2 percent, on average, while the U.S. grew by 5 percent during the same period.
Because as Governor of my State the state went from having $1.3 billion to $9.8 billion in cash reserves.
Because as Governor of my State Florida became the first state to have "choose life" license plates during Bush's tenure, and the fees helped pregnant women.
Because as Governor of my State he ended the practice of Affirmative Action for State workers, State contractors and college admissions.
Because as Governor of my State he received an A+ rating from the NRA.
Maybe to you, there's only one issue that matters, but's makes you myopic, not right.
All well and good, but what did he do to stop the migration of liberal democrats from the northeast? They are now swelling in strength to dilute the conservative population and turn Florida into another Colorado of the east.
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All well and good, but what did he do to stop the migration of liberal democrats from the northeast? They are now swelling in strength to dilute the conservative population and turn Florida into another Colorado of the east.
That's a joke, right?
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That's a joke, right?
Well, sorta. Florida is becoming the liberal bastion of the southeast with all of the New Englanders moving there. Just like Californians migrating to Colorado, New Yorkers (like Trump) are escaping the high taxes and bringing their NY values with them. Now, once strong GOP areas, are heavily liberal democrat areas.
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Well, sorta. Florida is becoming the liberal bastion of the southeast with all of the New Englanders moving there. Just like Californians migrating to Colorado, New Yorkers (like Trump) are escaping the high taxes and bringing their NY values with them. Now, once strong GOP areas, are heavily liberal democrat areas.
I think Luis' comment related to your concern about what Governor Bush did to stop the liberal migration. How does a governor do that?
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Yes, I was a Jeb voter.
Because as Governor of my State he reduced taxes by $19 billion.
Because as Governor of my State he reduced the size of government by more than 10% via privatization of government jobs.
Because as Governor of my State he defeated the teacher's unions and made Florida the first State to offer parents school choice.
Because as Governor of my State he brought the State's unemployment down to below 4%.
Because as Governor of my State our economy grew by 7.2 percent, on average, while the U.S. grew by 5 percent during the same period.
Because as Governor of my State the state went from having $1.3 billion to $9.8 billion in cash reserves.
Because as Governor of my State Florida became the first state to have "choose life" license plates during Bush's tenure, and the fees helped pregnant women.
Because as Governor of my State he ended the practice of Affirmative Action for State workers, State contractors and college admissions.
Because as Governor of my State he received an A+ rating from the NRA.
Maybe to you, there's only one issue that matters, but's makes you myopic, not right.
He comes from a family of globalist, NWO types who are , IMO, traitors to this country.
Jeb in fact, is no different from Hillary in that regard.
You can now admit that I picked you off.
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Well, sorta. Florida is becoming the liberal bastion of the southeast with all of the New Englanders moving there. Just like Californians migrating to Colorado, New Yorkers (like Trump) are escaping the high taxes and bringing their NY values with them. Now, once strong GOP areas, are heavily liberal democrat areas.
Same thing happening in Texas for years.
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He comes from a family of globalist, NWO types who are , IMO, traitors to this country.
Jeb in fact, is no different from Hillary in that regard.
You can now admit that I picked you off.
Again, no response to the substance of the post.
I voted for Jeb for Governor (he was out of the primary race before the Florida primary) because the other guy running for the office was a Democrat.
I guess in that case you would have voted for the Democrat.
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Yes, I was a Jeb voter.
Because as Governor of my State he reduced taxes by $19 billion.
Because as Governor of my State he reduced the size of government by more than 10% via privatization of government jobs.
Because as Governor of my State he defeated the teacher's unions and made Florida the first State to offer parents school choice.
Because as Governor of my State he brought the State's unemployment down to below 4%.
Because as Governor of my State our economy grew by 7.2 percent, on average, while the U.S. grew by 5 percent during the same period.
Because as Governor of my State the state went from having $1.3 billion to $9.8 billion in cash reserves.
Because as Governor of my State Florida became the first state to have "choose life" license plates during Bush's tenure, and the fees helped pregnant women.
Because as Governor of my State he ended the practice of Affirmative Action for State workers, State contractors and college admissions.
Because as Governor of my State he received an A+ rating from the NRA.
Maybe to you, there's only one issue that matters, but's makes you myopic, not right.
Jeb had as good a conservative track record as governor as anyone. Too bad resumes counted for next to nothing this past year. It was all about scratching itches 'til they bled.
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Jeb had as good a conservative track record as governor as anyone. Too bad resumes counted for next to nothing this past year. It was all about scratching itches 'til they bled.
Jeb did himself no good by claiming republicans could win the white house without conservatives. Obviously, thats not the message primary voters wanted.
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Yes, I was a Jeb voter.
Because as Governor of my State he reduced taxes by $19 billion.
Because as Governor of my State he reduced the size of government by more than 10% via privatization of government jobs.
Because as Governor of my State he defeated the teacher's unions and made Florida the first State to offer parents school choice.
Because as Governor of my State he brought the State's unemployment down to below 4%.
Because as Governor of my State our economy grew by 7.2 percent, on average, while the U.S. grew by 5 percent during the same period.
Because as Governor of my State the state went from having $1.3 billion to $9.8 billion in cash reserves.
Because as Governor of my State Florida became the first state to have "choose life" license plates during Bush's tenure, and the fees helped pregnant women.
Because as Governor of my State he ended the practice of Affirmative Action for State workers, State contractors and college admissions.
Because as Governor of my State he received an A+ rating from the NRA.
Maybe to you, there's only one issue that matters, but's makes you myopic, not right.
I liked Jeb. There were a few things I didn't like about him. Think he had some bad answers on immigration. Border security is a big issue for me.
I wasn't a W fan, decent man, horrible leader.
During the debates Trump really looked like he was bullying Jeb, made me feel sorry for him. I'll never understand why GOP primary voters responded to bullying so positively. So disappointing. The entire ordeal sucked.
But if Jeb allowed himself to be bullied, maybe he wasn't the right man for the job, on the other hand.
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I liked Jeb. There were a few things I didn't like about him. Think he had some bad answers on immigration. Border security is a big issue for me.
I wasn't a W fan, decent man, horrible leader.
During the debates Trump really looked like he was bullying Jeb, made me feel sorry for him. I'll never understand why GOP primary voters responded to bullying so positively. So disappointing. The entire ordeal sucked.
But if Jeb allowed himself to be bullied, maybe he wasn't the right man for the job, on the other hand.
The entire GOPe allowed themselves to be bullied for the better part of 8 years.Jeb and the rest are grown men who could take up for themselves. Imagine what Hillary would do to their weaknesses.
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The entire GOPe allowed themselves to be bullied for the better part of 8 years.Jeb and the rest are grown men who could take up for themselves. Imagine what Hillary would do to their weaknesses.
Again, avoiding the substance, avoiding my question and responding with a meme.
Given the choice in your State's race for governonr between a Democrat and a Republican, when that Republican was Jeb Bush, who would you vote for?
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Jeb did himself no good by claiming republicans could win the white house without conservatives. Obviously, thats not the message primary voters wanted.
"I’m a conservative, but don’t forget, this is called the ‘Republican Party,’ not the ‘conservative party.'" - Donald Trump
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"I’m a conservative, but don’t forget, this is called the ‘Republican Party,’ not the ‘conservative party.'" - Donald Trump
From the guy who says conservatism means conserve. LMAO......
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Again, avoiding the substance, avoiding my question and responding with a meme.
Given the choice in your State's race for governonr between a Democrat and a Republican, when that Republican was Jeb Bush, who would you vote for?
Was I talking to you, Luis?
You forget his brother was the Governor of Texas. If I knew what I know now about that family, no, I wouldn't have voted for him.
I suspect Jeb is kowtowed into the amnesty by that little Mexican woman he married.
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Well you can count me voting for Trump now.....it's the card we have to play.....and his speech today was dead on!
I have given this some serious thought and lots of struggle.....so I will be voting for Trump as a Citizen of this fine country! It's the only one I have...and I will not let Hillary take it owver and destory it the rest of the way from what Obama has.....not going to happen!
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Well you can count me voting for Trump now.....it's the card we have to play.....and his speech today was dead on!
I have given this some serious thought and lots of struggle.....so I will be voting for Trump as a Citizen of this fine country! It's the only one I have...and I will not let Hillary take it owver and destory it the rest of the way from what Obama has.....not going to happen!
I hope more GOP voters come to that conclusion before the election.
Hillary would be the worst case scenario.
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I hope more GOP voters come to that conclusion before the election..Hillary would be the worst case scenario.
Oh I think they will too....I've had many discussions with wise men and woman whose opinions I value.....both opposing and for Trump. But it has taken some time for me to see that even though I certainly don't like the man....I do think he has the "picture" of strength this country needs even if his mouth gets in the way...and it's been a long time since we've had such. It's important now with the way the World Stage is shaping up.....
I also chuckle sort of....if Trump could get me wondering from one minute to the next what he's going to do....it's a good indication he will do likewise with our enemies, and that's a good thing...he will surely keep them on their toes and it will not be business as usual by any means.
How that plays out for this nation remains to be seen...but I do think he's for this country....and Hillary is completely opposed.
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Oh I think they will too....I've had many discussions with wise men and woman whose opinions I value.....both opposing and for Trump. But it has taken some time for me to see that even though I certainly don't like the man....I do think he has the "picture" of strength this country needs even if his mouth gets in the way...and it's been a long time since we've had such. It's important now with the way the World Stage is shaping up.....
I also chuckle sort of....if Trump could get me wondering from one minute to the next what he's going to do....it's a good indication he will do likewise with our enemies, and that's a good thing...he will surely keep them on their toes and it will not be business as usual by any means.
How that plays out for this nation remains to be seen...but I do think he's for this country....and Hillary is completely opposed.
Indeed
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Oh I think they will too....I've had many discussions with wise men and woman whose opinions I value.....both opposing and for Trump. But it has taken some time for me to see that even though I certainly don't like the man....I do think he has the "picture" of strength this country needs even if his mouth gets in the way...and it's been a long time since we've had such. It's important now with the way the World Stage is shaping up.....
I also chuckle sort of....if Trump could get me wondering from one minute to the next what he's going to do....it's a good indication he will do likewise with our enemies, and that's a good thing...he will surely keep them on their toes and it will not be business as usual by any means.
How that plays out for this nation remains to be seen...but I do think he's for this country....and Hillary is completely opposed.
For some of us it's far more important than "not liking this man." We cannot vote for someone who opposes every principle we have. Obviously, Hillary opposes everything we stand for too, and every #NeverTrump person I know hates Hillary. We know how bad she is.
That should be an indicator of how horrific a candidate Donald Trump is.
I used to be in the "lesser of two evils' camp, and opposed people who wouldn't vote for the Republican candidate. But this election is so very different. We truly do have a choice between two EQUAL evils, and nothing in my conscience, or in the values I have had my entire life will allow me to mark the ballot for Donald Trump.
I believe there are many other conservatives who feel as strongly as I do. We cannot be pushed or bullied into voting for someone who is so despicable.......and who is most certainly not for the country. It's all about him. It's always been all about him and all the hoping in the world won't make that change.
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"I’m a conservative, but don’t forget, this is called the ‘Republican Party,’ not the ‘conservative party.'" - Donald Trump
Didn't he say that after he virtually locked up the nomination?
Even when he was still referring to himself as a conservative it was clear by the way he'd spit the term out that he is as contemptuous of conservatives as the Bush family.
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Didn't he say that after he virtually locked up the nomination?
Well, we havent had the convention yet, and repubs are making headlines still talking about changing the rules on him.
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Well, we havent had the convention yet, and repubs are making headlines still talking about changing the rules on him.
The rules of the convention have always been flexible. There's nothing "unfair" about what's going on, all the whining notwithstanding.
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For some of us it's far more important than "not liking this man." We cannot vote for someone who opposes every principle we have. Obviously, Hillary opposes everything we stand for too, and every #NeverTrump person I know hates Hillary. We know how bad she is. .......................That should be an indicator of how horrific a candidate Donald Trump is.
I used to be in the "lesser of two evils' camp, and opposed people who wouldn't vote for the Republican candidate. But this election is so very different. We truly do have a choice between two EQUAL evils, and nothing in my conscience, or in the values I have had my entire life will allow me to mark the ballot for Donald Trump.
I believe there are many other conservatives who feel as strongly as I do. We cannot be pushed or bullied into voting for someone who is so despicable.......and who is most certainly not for the country. It's all about him. It's always been all about him and all the hoping in the world won't make that change.
Well I understand your position... As a Christian myself I use to be there and very strong about it......But I'm NOT basing my support for Trump based on opposing Hillary alone, that's simply the icing on the cake. I'm voting because I took a good long look at why we vote, first and foremost it's because we are CITIZENS of this country 'while we are here'.
So with that in mind it's because I'm a Citizen I'm automatically free to vote, and that freedom came from men and woman 'dying' so that I could do so. How then can I not vote when it's within the power God gave me to do just that?????
It's not about who or not is the worst evildoer of the two.........they are simply reflective of the state of corruption in this country...and we have them now because of that same corruption in the media and those who have the power to move elections. A power that THEY are responsible to God for.
We fought the good fight to get the right man in IMO. He lost. Trump won. Of course it wasn't fair and square, but it was our media involved news sources that frame the election and we know how that went. Even so here we are with these two to choose from.
I'm not voting because I'm a Christian...I'm voting because I"m a Citizen....
And this regardless if I like the choice or not. ...and I will let God deal with Trump...because my principles are not based on a Presidential Election...they're based 'IN' the King of Kings of Lords of Lords......he can work this election to whatever purposes he has in mind regarding Trump....he did it with others like Trump throughout the Bible......thinking of Saul turned Paul.
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I'm not voting because I'm a Christian...I'm voting because I"m a Citizen....
And this regardless if I like the choice or not. ...and I will let God deal with Trump...because my principles are not based on a Presidential Election...they're based 'IN' the King of Kings of Lords of Lords......he can work this election to whatever purposes he has in mind regarding Trump....he did it with others like Trump throughout the Bible......thinking of Saul turned Paul.
So eloquent. Clearly you've prayed about this. Thank you for sharing.
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Was I talking to you, Luis?
You forget his brother was the Governor of Texas. If I knew what I know now about that family, no, I wouldn't have voted for him.
I suspect Jeb is kowtowed into the amnesty by that little Mexican woman he married.
So you would have voted for the Democrat.
Thanks, your post has told me everything that I wanted to know.
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The rules of the convention have always been flexible. There's nothing "unfair" about what's going on, all the whining notwithstanding.
You have to admit though, it's interesting that they did a similar thing with Ron Paul when he went for the delegate count and they screamed to high heavens when he did that.... and changed the rules to make sure he didn't win.
They've had to have found some way to jiggle the rules enough to stay within the parameters they are required to. It's going to be interesting, but everything is so disconnected at this point.
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Well I understand your position... As a Christian myself I use to be there and very strong about it......But I'm NOT basing my support for Trump based on opposing Hillary alone, that's simply the icing on the cake. I'm voting because I took a good long look at why we vote, first and foremost it's because we are CITIZENS of this country 'while we are here'.
So with that in mind it's because I'm a Citizen I'm automatically free to vote, and that freedom came from men and woman 'dying' so that I could do so. How then can I not vote when it's within the power God gave me to do just that?????
It's not about who or not is the worst evildoer of the two.........they are simply reflective of the state of corruption in this country...and we have them now because of that same corruption in the media and those who have the power to move elections. A power that THEY are responsible to God for.
We fought the good fight to get the right man in IMO. He lost. Trump won. Of course it wasn't fair and square, but it was our media involved news sources that frame the election and we know how that went. Even so here we are with these two to choose from.
I'm not voting because I'm a Christian...I'm voting because I"m a Citizen....
And this regardless if I like the choice or not. ...and I will let God deal with Trump...because my principles are not based on a Presidential Election...they're based 'IN' the King of Kings of Lords of Lords......he can work this election to whatever purposes he has in mind regarding Trump....he did it with others like Trump throughout the Bible......thinking of Saul turned Paul.
I said nothing about not voting. I am going to vote, and agree with your reasons for voting.
I am just not voting for either corrupt, unChristian candidate that the two major parties have put up.
I've heard the "King David" /"Saul" arguments for Trump, but the basic ingredient missing is that both men were repentant, and Donald Trump is proud of his sinfulness.
As a Christian, I will vote, but my conscience will not allow me to vote for evil.
God's will WILL be done, as it always is, and I have to stand before HIM with every decision I have made in this life. The one thing I will not do is vote for a man who supports the murderous organization Planned Parenthood, and has claimed he is "completely pro choice."
You cannot bully OR guilt me into doing what my Christian principles will not allow me to do.
You can keep trying, but it won't work.
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Well, we havent had the convention yet, and repubs are making headlines still talking about changing the rules on him.
No, they're talking about working within the rules and not voting for DT.
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That is an absolutely despicable personal attack, wolfcreek.
You have NO right to call Luis a traitor. That is disgusting.
@Luis Gonzalez
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That is an absolutely despicable personal attack, wolfcreek.
You have NO right to call Luis a traitor. That is disgusting.
@Luis Gonzalez
Read from it as you will.
It's a least one reason he hates trump.
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So eloquent. Clearly you've prayed about this. Thank you for sharing.
I'm at peace, but make no mistake if for some odd reason Cruz gets back in the game...I'm there faster than my own head would spin! LOLOL Stranger things have happened throughout this crazy election................
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That is an absolutely despicable personal attack, wolfcreek.
You have NO right to call Luis a traitor. That is disgusting.
@Luis Gonzalez
wolfcreek's post was blatantly racist. I guess the moderators agreed, as it appears to have been disappeared.
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Read from it as you will.
It's a least one reason he hates trump.
And apparently the reason you adore Trump? He's a racist??
Despicable.
Despicable.
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wolfcreek's post was blatantly racist. I guess the moderators agreed, as it appears to have been disappeared.
I'm glad the mods agreed.
I didn't report it, but I should have......
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I'm glad the mods agreed.
I didn't report it, but I should have......
In the short time I've been here, it is one of the most despicable posts I've seen.
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In the short time I've been here, it is one of the most despicable posts I've seen.
It may be the most despicable post I've ever read here, from anyone.
I've removed it from my quote of his post. I don't want what he said to be seen since the Mods had the decency to remove it.
I'm ashamed.
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Read from it as you will.
It's a least one reason he hates trump.
And yet the Trump cabal are the first and the loudest to complain about 'personal attacks'.
Yet another example of how Trump's supporters engage in nothing but projection in order to stifle and silence any opposition to their prince.
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I said nothing about not voting. I am going to vote, and agree with your reasons for voting.
I am just not voting for either corrupt, unChristian candidate that the two major parties have put up.
I've heard the "King David" /"Saul" arguments for Trump, but the basic ingredient missing is that both men were repentant, and Donald Trump is proud of his sinfulness.
As a Christian, I will vote, but my conscience will not allow me to vote for evil.
God's will WILL be done, as it always is, and I have to stand before HIM with every decision I have made in this life. The one thing I will not do is vote for a man who supports the murderous organization Planned Parenthood, and has claimed he is "completely pro choice."
You cannot bully OR guilt me into doing what my Christian principles will not allow me to do.
You can keep trying, but it won't work.
Well let's be fair here...I'm not trying to bully you or guilt. ..and certainly wasn't y intention. I simply stated 'why' I've decided to vote Trump.
As for Trump being repentant........it took drastic measures for Saul/David and others to come to that point. It usually does for strong willed men..... I suspect it will be the same for Trump, he has many praying for him and certainly never in his life had so many powerful and influential Christian men surrounding him, and he is certainly being influenced in the direction of heart we'd hope he would go.......but it is not a requirement for President.
Trump does 'not support abortion' he wants to leave planned parenthood as it is for now, I suspect he'll want to find a way to rid the organization of performing abortions and the sale of baby parts.
Concerning not voting for someone so evil....yes of course you must do as you think is right. I do not see voting for Trump as voting for evil, rather I'm voting for a President to run this country .......
So with this I leave your company and trust to the one we serve first.
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It may be the most despicable post I've ever read here, from anyone.
I've removed it from my quote of his post. I don't want what he said to be seen since the Mods had the decency to remove it.
I'm ashamed.
Unfortunately, I saw it. The more wolfcreek opens his yap, the more I'm convinced that Trump's supporters are pure poison and I must oppose Trump on that basis alone.
I'd rather endure Hillary as President than support the candidate of the alt-right.
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It may be the most despicable post I've ever read here, from anyone.
I've removed it from my quote of his post. I don't want what he said to be seen since the Mods had the decency to remove it.
I'm ashamed.
I think you should have left your quote of the post, so people would understand the evil.
You're not the party who should be ashamed.
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I'm at peace, but make no mistake if for some odd reason Cruz gets back in the game...I'm there faster than my own head would spin! LOLOL Stranger things have happened throughout this crazy election................
At least it's NEVER boring! AND, its bringing MORE people into the conversation about voting. It's a right that too many people ignore.
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Well let's be fair here...I'm not trying to bully you or guilt. ..and certainly wasn't y intention. I simply stated 'why' I've decided to vote Trump.
As for Trump being repentant........it took drastic measures for Saul/David and others to come to that point. It usually does for strong willed men..... I suspect it will be the same for Trump, he has many praying for him and certainly never in his life had so many powerful and influential Christian men surrounding him, and he is certainly being influenced in the direction of heart we'd hope he would go.......but it is not a requirement for President.
Trump does 'not support abortion' he wants to leave planned parenthood as it is for now, I suspect he'll want to find a way to rid the organization of performing abortions and the sale of baby parts.
Concerning not voting for someone so evil....yes of course you must do as you think is right. I do not see voting for Trump as voting for evil, rather I'm voting for a President to run this country .......
So with this I leave your company and trust to the one we serve first.
It is not a requirement for a President to be a Christian, but it IS a requirement that a President have values other than his own whims and urges. Character is something that we have always said was important in a President, and now people supporting Trump are willing to throw the concept of integrity out the window.
It doesn't work that way.
As for abortion, I'm not sure that you have done your homework, or listened to Trump when he's speaking about the subject. He's clearly never thought about what it means to be pro-life in his life, and has stated outright that he is "completely pro-choice." Even after the information came out that PP was selling body parts, he publicly supported them fully.
He IS pro-abortion. Your "suspicions" of what he will do are not based on a single fact about his views.
As I have said before, God's will IS going to be done. But I can't help but believe that God has left America to its own evil choices by allowing Barack Obama to win two terms, and by now allowing us to have only two evil choices (in the two major parties).
Donald Trump is the logical extension of the choices America made with Barack Obama, and we are sinking even further into the abyss.
If Trump is elected, we don't recover. If I didn't have the Lord right now, I would be in despair.
My HOPE is in Christ alone.
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Unfortunately, I saw it. The more wolfcreek opens his yap, the most I'm convinced that Trump's supporters are pure poison and I must oppose Trump on that basis alone.
I'd rather endure Hillary as President than support the candidate of the alt-right.
I don't think wolfcreek can be described as "alt-right." There's nothing "right" about being vile.
But you are right that the more he talks, the more he indicts himself, and the more sense it makes that he ardently supports a cretin for President.
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I think you should have left your quote of the post, so people would understand the evil.
You're not the party who should be ashamed.
Perhaps I should have left it, but it defiled this thread.
And, you are right that I'm not the one who should be ashamed, but I am very proud of this forum; that it is made up of reasonable, decent people, and when I see overt, ugly racism from one of "our own," I am embarrassed for the majority of people here who would never make such a vile personal attack against an upstanding member of TBR.
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No, they're talking about working within the rules and not voting for DT.
Well, they're calling it a rules change: http://wyso.org/post/republicans-attempt-change-rules-national-convention#stream/0
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Perhaps I should have left it, but it defiled this thread.
And, you are right that I'm not the one who should be ashamed, but I am very proud of this forum; that it is made up of reasonable, decent people, and when I see overt, ugly racism from one of "our own," I am embarrassed for the majority of people here who would never make such a vile personal attack against an upstanding member of TBR.
I missed it. What was the highlight or should I say lowlight of his garbage?
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I missed it. What was the highlight or should I say lowlight of his garbage?
Calling Luis Gonzalez a traitor because he is "pro amnesty" (he's not), and because of his Hispanic last name.
There was no room for "interpretation." It was an outright racist personal attack.
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Was I talking to you, Luis?
You forget his brother was the Governor of Texas. If I knew what I know now about that family, no, I wouldn't have voted for him.
I suspect Jeb is kowtowed into the amnesty by that little Mexican woman he married.
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[quote author=musiclady link=topic=203243.msg938996#msg938996 date=1466640
Calling Luis Gonzalez a traitor because he is "pro amnesty" (he's not), and because of his Hispanic last name.
There was no room for "interpretation." It was an outright racist personal attack.
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That's not racist,it's the REALITY in many cases. Mostly due to the efforts of the Communist Party through their agents in the Dim Party. They have been at that since the 20's. You keep telling poor people over and over that the only reason they are poor is because "the rich white man is holding them down and stealing all the wealth",and after a few generations,it becomes accepted as truth. The Communists/Dims did this to drive a wedge between various groups of American in order to gain power for themselves and to destroy our way of life.
However it is NOT the reality in the case of Luis. I have been reading his posts for years,maybe even decades,and I don't recall him ever posting anything even remotely indicating he considers himself to be anything other than an American. Yes,his last name is a Cuban name,but that doesn't mean HE is a Cuban. His ancestors were Cuban. Big freaking deal. We all have ancestors from all over the world.
And for the few of you (not YOU musiclady) with short attention spans,there is no such race or religious faith as American. Americans come in all sorts of shapes,sizes,colors,religious beliefs,and BOUND to piss off some here,even sexual orientations.
The only Litmus test is the answer to the question "Do you consider yourself to be an American above all other traits you may have?"
BTW,note to the Mods. Anytime you just blindly delete stuff like that instead of let it stand and be judged,you are doing nothing when it comes to defeating it.
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Thanks for standing up for Luis, pete. He is truly an American, and calling him a traitor was below the belt.
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You need an undecided column in that poll. I'm undecided...leaning not voting for Trump but voting down ticket.
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And apparently the reason you adore Trump? He's a racist??
Despicable.
Despicable.
It has nothing to do with race and everything to do with allegiance and sovereignty.
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And yet the Trump cabal are the first and the loudest to complain about 'personal attacks'.
Yet another example of how Trump's supporters engage in nothing but projection in order to stifle and silence any opposition to their prince.
America has spoken. Trump won. Any opposition only helps Hillary.
There's your sign.
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Calling Luis Gonzalez a traitor because he is "pro amnesty" (he's not), and because of his Hispanic last name.
There was no room for "interpretation." It was an outright racist personal attack.
Hispanics are generally Caucasian or a mix.
Never thought I would see so many 'conservatives' playing the race card. Especially when it's wholly not about race.
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America has spoken. Trump won. Any opposition only helps Hillary.
There's your sign.
5% of America has spoken. The other 95% may have something to say about that.
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America has spoken. Trump won. Any opposition only helps Hillary.
There's your sign.
Trump has won nothing but a few states in primaries so far. Save the gloating for when he actually wins something.
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Trump has won nothing but a few states in primaries so far. Save the gloating for when he actually wins something.
That's how we choose our nominee....primary elections. If the delegates are representative of the populous, he's in.
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That's how we choose our nominee....primary elections. If the delegates are representative of the populous, he's in.
The candidate that wins the primary elections may be "in" as the nominee,but that doesn't mean anyone has to vote for him or her,and *I* will NOT vote for Trump. Period.
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The candidate that wins the primary elections may be "in" as the nominee,but that doesn't mean anyone has to vote for him or her,and *I* will NOT vote for Trump. Period.
That's your prerogative.
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That's how we choose our nominee....primary elections. If the delegates are representative of the populous, he's in.
Actually no, it's not. We choose the nominee at the convention by vote of the delegates, who are not lockstep bound to vote for Trump solely based on the primary results.
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Actually no, it's not. We choose the nominee at the convention by vote of the delegates, who are not lockstep bound to vote for Trump solely based on the primary results.
So then they're likle the Democrat's super delegates. [going against the wishes of the voters?] NICE!
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So then they're likle the Democrat's super delegates. [going against the wishes of the voters?] NICE!
You guys are stuck on that progressive highway.
LOL! We're days from the Battle of Appomattox and they're still sniping at Fort Sumter.
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So then they're likle the Democrat's super delegates. [going against the wishes of the voters?] NICE!
Winner take all already goes against the wishes of the voters, so you have nothing to complain about on that point. Beyond that, the point of having representative systems with agents who have discretion to act is precisely to mitigate the worst impulses of the mob, and that sort of pressure relief valve is built into multiple layers of our system. That is why, for example, we have the electoral college instead of a straight majority-rules popular vote election for president. The Founders were extremely suspicious of direct democracy, and rightly so; Trump is proof positive that their concerns were, and still are, extremely relevant.
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So then they're likle the Democrat's super delegates. [going against the wishes of the voters?] NICE!
No, the majority of GOP voters voted against DT. So, by your logic, he should be rejected at the convention.
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Winner take all already goes against the wishes of the voters, so you have nothing to complain about on that point. Beyond that, the point of having representative systems with agents who have discretion to act is precisely to mitigate the worst impulses of the mob, and that sort of pressure relief valve is built into multiple layers of our system. That is why, for example, we have the electoral college instead of a straight majority-rules popular vote election for president. The Founders were extremely suspicious of direct democracy, and rightly so; Trump is proof positive that their concerns were, and still are, extremely relevant.
If you would felt the same way supposing Cruz were the nominee, I would believe your sincerity.
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Reality: If the "majority" of the GOP voters don't get behind the nominee, it's going to be a tough 4 to 8 years [or much longer] for this country.
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Reality: If the "majority" of the GOP voters don't get behind the nominee, it's going to be a tough 4 to 8 years [or much longer] for this country.
You're changing the subject.
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It has nothing to do with race and everything to do with allegiance and sovereignty.
Yeah...................... right .................. **nononono*
So you actually think @Luis Gonzalez does NOT pledge allegiance to America because of his last name??
I mean that IS what you said, wolfcreek.
As for the "race card".......what a complete crock! You're the one using race as a factor in whether or not one is loyal to US Sovereignty.
YOU are the offender here, not those of us who found your offense disgusting.
Once again........ no wonder you're so loyal to Trump.
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Winner take all already goes against the wishes of the voters, so you have nothing to complain about on that point. Beyond that, the point of having representative systems with agents who have discretion to act is precisely to mitigate the worst impulses of the mob, and that sort of pressure relief valve is built into multiple layers of our system. That is why, for example, we have the electoral college instead of a straight majority-rules popular vote election for president. The Founders were extremely suspicious of direct democracy, and rightly so; Trump is proof positive that their concerns were, and still are, extremely relevant.
@wolfcreek is revealing a startling ignorance about how and why we have representatives, and don't have direct democracy.
The idea that "America has spoken" is a statement completely devoid of reality at multiple levels. The one you point out here is the most important.
But then, Trump's followers fell in love with him because he broke rules.
They obviously didn't care that those "rules" included the Constitution........
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Reality: If the "majority" of the GOP voters don't get behind the nominee, it's going to be a tough 4 to 8 years [or much longer] for this country.
You should have thought of that before now.
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You should have thought of that before now.
Wish they had. Then we wouldn't be in this impossible mess and doomed to Progressivism for another four years........... **nononono*
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Thanks everyone. I am touched by the many who came to my defense.
My last name has existed, uninterruptedly, on U.S. soil for hundreds of years, even before there was a U.S. It is the last name over the doorstep of the oldest house in the oldest city in what is now the U.S. I myself am an American, and I find it disgusting when people question that.
As my conversation progressed with wolfcreek, I knew what I was dealing with, so I dropped out.
I was right.
"Cuban Americans understand perhaps better than many of their fellow citizens that freedom is not just the heritage of the people of the United States. It is the birthright of the people of this hemisphere." - Ronald Reagan, Remarks at a Cuban Independence Day Celebration in Miami, Florida, May 20, 1983
I was there.
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Thanks everyone. I am touched by the many who came to my defense.
My last name has existed, uninterruptedly, on U.S. soil for hundreds of years, even before there was a U.S. It is the last name over the doorstep of the oldest house in the oldest city in what is now the U.S. I myself am an American, and I find it disgusting when people question that.
As my conversation progressed with wolfcreek, I knew what I was dealing with, so I dropped out.
I was right.
"Cuban Americans understand perhaps better than many of their fellow citizens that freedom is not just the heritage of the people of the United States. It is the birthright of the people of this hemisphere." - Ronald Reagan, Remarks at a Cuban Independence Day Celebration in Miami, Florida, May 20, 1983
I was there.
:thumbsup:
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Thanks everyone. I am touched by the many who came to my defense.
My last name has existed, uninterruptedly, on U.S. soil for hundreds of years, even before there was a U.S. It is the last name over the doorstep of the oldest house in the oldest city in what is now the U.S. I myself am an American, and I find it disgusting when people question that.
As my conversation progressed with wolfcreek, I knew what I was dealing with, so I dropped out.
I was right.
"Cuban Americans understand perhaps better than many of their fellow citizens that freedom is not just the heritage of the people of the United States. It is the birthright of the people of this hemisphere." - Ronald Reagan, Remarks at a Cuban Independence Day Celebration in Miami, Florida, May 20, 1983
I was there.
I wasn't among those who came to your defense Luis and that was because long experience has taught me that you didn't need me to! :beer:
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Thanks everyone. I am touched by the many who came to my defense.
My last name has existed, uninterruptedly, on U.S. soil for hundreds of years, even before there was a U.S. It is the last name over the doorstep of the oldest house in the oldest city in what is now the U.S. I myself am an American, and I find it disgusting when people question that.
As my conversation progressed with wolfcreek, I knew what I was dealing with, so I dropped out.
I was right.
"Cuban Americans understand perhaps better than many of their fellow citizens that freedom is not just the heritage of the people of the United States. It is the birthright of the people of this hemisphere." - Ronald Reagan, Remarks at a Cuban Independence Day Celebration in Miami, Florida, May 20, 1983
I was there.
God bless you, Luis! Anyone who knows you does not question your patriotism and love of America.
You and I have had a tiff or two, but I am still incensed that anyone here called you a traitor because of your last name.
It's bad enough to know that such mindless hatred exists on American soil, but that it exists on this forum is deeply troubling.
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Reality: If the "majority" of the GOP voters don't get behind the nominee, it's going to be a tough 4 to 8 years [or much longer] for this country.
That scare-tactic don't work no more especially since your prince has as little regard for the Constitution as either Obama or Hildabeast have for it.
You're simply vying for your dictator over theirs.
Some of us choose not to play that game or lend a hand to what we've been already fundamentally transformed into.
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I wasn't among those who came to your defense Luis and that was because long experience has taught me that you didn't need me to! :beer:
Well THAT, sir, is the truth! :beer:
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Thanks everyone. I am touched by the many who came to my defense.
My last name has existed, uninterruptedly, on U.S. soil for hundreds of years, even before there was a U.S. It is the last name over the doorstep of the oldest house in the oldest city in what is now the U.S. I myself am an American, and I find it disgusting when people question that.
As my conversation progressed with wolfcreek, I knew what I was dealing with, so I dropped out.
I was right.
"Cuban Americans understand perhaps better than many of their fellow citizens that freedom is not just the heritage of the people of the United States. It is the birthright of the people of this hemisphere." - Ronald Reagan, Remarks at a Cuban Independence Day Celebration in Miami, Florida, May 20, 1983
I was there.
Glad you're here.
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Let me reiterate, If you are for AMNESTY, you are a traitor to the country and the rule of law. IMO
Otherwise, that was really sweet. :smokin:
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Let me reiterate, If you are for AMNESTY, you are a traitor to the country and the rule of law. IMO
Otherwise, that was really sweet. :smokin:
Someone here is advocating amnesty? Who?
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I wasn't among those who came to your defense Luis and that was because long experience has taught me that you didn't need me to! :beer:
We're good Bigun.
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Someone here is advocating amnesty? Who?
Just throw a rock...you'll probably hit one. [including those who would just as soon see Hillary as POTUS]
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Just throw a rock...you'll probably hit one. [including those who would just as soon see Hillary as POTUS]
Keep up the good fight, my FRiend! I read all of your posts.
I have what I used to consider "close FRiends", heck, almost 'family'...in the #nevertrump camp.
And based strictly on what is at risk, the Constitution and the Bill of Rights...don't think I haven't begun to wonder in sadness, just how could I have been wrong about them.
How couldn't I have seen the rigidness to an opinion that has gotten to the point that they are willing to see Hillary Clinton win...just so they can feel appreciated.
They've never once shown such a trait. Some going back as far as Schiavo and Elian.
I refuse to engage them anymore. Once in awhile, I'll chirp in when I see something egregious. Otherwise, talk to the hand.
:patriot:
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Just throw a rock...you'll probably hit one. [including those who would just as soon see Hillary as POTUS]
Ahhhh, he comes to what he intended to say from the beginning but buried in a racist screed instead.
Let me translate what they mean once again: 'If you do not vote for Trump, you are a traitor'. That's their insistent view. They will toss bigotry in there as a bonus too.
And yet the Trump Militant wonder aloud (to make themselves appear magnanimous), how it is that some of us won't give their prince a pass and seem more willing to fight Trump and his hordes than Hildabeast and her hordes.
The answer is that we think their prince and the Trump militant pose a greater threat to our liberty than Hildabeast does.
i.e.:, I've not received promises of death for treason from her hordes like I have the Trump Militant.
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Keep up the good fight, my FRiend! I read all of your posts.
I have what I used to consider "close FRiends", heck, almost 'family'...in the #nevertrump camp.
And based strictly on what is at risk, the Constitution and the Bill of Rights...don't think I haven't begun to wonder in sadness, just how could I have been wrong about them.
How couldn't I have seen the rigidness to an opinion that has gotten to the point that they are willing to see Hillary Clinton win...just so they can feel appreciated.
They've never once shown such a trait. Some going back as far as Schiavo and Elian.
I refuse to engage them anymore. Once in awhile, I'll chirp in when I see something egregious. Otherwise, talk to the hand.
:patriot:
But you'll still go around trashing the forum itself, and attacking new members who don't kowtow to you.
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[including those who would just as soon see Hillary as POTUS]
I am tired of seeing this as an argument here...no one here that I know of has endorsed Hillary...
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Just throw a rock...you'll probably hit one. [including those who would just as soon see Hillary as POTUS]
I hate to be repetitious, but it is those of you who have blindly supported Trump (and echoed his racism) who have enabled Hillary to become POTUS. YOU have done this, wolfcreek.
There's not a person on this forum opposing Trump who wants Hillary to be President.
That is a bald faced lie, and you really need to stop repeating it.
It would be difficult to dig yourself any deeper into your slimy hole, but you seem intent on doing it. ****sheep****
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I am tired of seeing this as an argument here...no one here that I know of has endorsed Hillary...
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I am tired of seeing this as an argument here...no one here that I know of has endorsed Hillary...
Sorry but, that's just the reality of the situation.
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I hate to be repetitious, but it is those of you who have blindly supported Trump (and echoed his racism) who have enabled Hillary to become POTUS. YOU have done this, wolfcreek.
There's not a person on this forum opposing Trump who wants Hillary to be President.
That is a bald faced lie, and you really need to stop repeating it.
It would be difficult to dig yourself any deeper into your slimy hole, but you seem intent on doing it. ****sheep****
Put me on ignore if you don't like what I say.
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I am tired of seeing this as an argument here...no one here that I know of has endorsed Hillary...
I made a distinction in my post.
Seeing as how it's down to Trump/Clinton...the very fact that one in here is #nevertrump says that they would rather have Hillary as President.
That's not "endorsing". It's just a statement indicating they've chosen the Hill on which to die Pun intended.
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I made a distinction in my post.
Seeing as how it's down to Trump/Clinton...the very fact that one in here is #nevertrump says that they would rather have Hillary as President.
That's not "endorsing". It's just a statement indicating they've chosen the Hill on which to die Pun intended.
Utterly false.
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Put me on ignore if you don't like what I say.
You're not worth the bother. You regurgitate mindless propaganda, and don't tell the truth, but you're still not worth putting on ignore.
btw, it's not that I don't "like" what you say.
It's that what you say is completely untrue.
And I like truth.
Ergo, I don't like the one you have chosen to worship......
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I made a distinction in my post.
Seeing as how it's down to Trump/Clinton...the very fact that one in here is #nevertrump says that they would rather have Hillary as President.
That's not "endorsing". It's just a statement indicating they've chosen the Hill on which to die Pun intended.
No matter how many times people you know and used to respect tell the truth about NOT supporting Hillary, you still choose to slander us.
It's shameful, DC. **nononono*
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No matter how many times people you know and used to respect tell the truth about NOT supporting Hillary, you still choose to slander us.
It's shameful, DC. **nononono*
No...what's shameful is that I have to put YOU on ignore. :patriot:
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Utterly false.
Will you vote for Donald Trump in November?
If not...you're part of the problem and not a solution.
Any other bloviating is white noise.
Today, it was 4-4 at the SCOTUS that kept Obama's illegal amnesty for 5 million from becoming reality.
That's utterly true.
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Will you vote for Donald Trump in November?
If not...you're part of the problem and not a solution.
Any other bloviating is white noise.
What do you intend to do about it big guy?
Advocate killing us for treason like your Trump Militant faithful have been gleefully suggesting???
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See you later folks. I see that liars for stumpy are allowed to utter any damned (and I do mean dsmned) at humans and we're expected to take, but we humans are told "no personal attacks."
I've seen this movie before. It didn't have a happy ending.
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But you'll still go around trashing the forum itself, and attacking new members who don't kowtow to you.
I have never trashed the forum.
It's called "tough love".
If I didn't give a sh*t, I'd have simply faded away like other Trump supporters.
And that point holds more sway now than ever.
Trump or Hillary?
If you can't pledge to vote for the Nominee against Hillary Clinton in November, then you've assisted Hillary Clinton and the Left.
Have a nice day, @Oceander
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I have never trashed the forum.
It's called "tough love".
If I didn't give a sh*t, I'd have simply faded away like other Trump supporters.
And that point holds more sway now than ever.
Trump or Hillary?
If you can't pledge to vote for the Nominee against Hillary Clinton in November, then you've assisted Hillary Clinton and the Left.
Have a nice day, @Oceander
Yes, you have. Attacking the forum and attacking new members is not tough love, it's utterly disrespectful and out of bounds. You are lucky Mystery-ak has all the honor you lack.
that I won't vote for Trump does not mean I support Clinton. That is a logical falsehood. I will support the GOP nominee if that person is someone I can trust. I cannot trust Trump and therefore will not support him.
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No...what's shameful is that I have to put YOU on ignore. :patriot:
Because I believe what I have always believed and still stand for what I have always stood for?
Because I oppose both Hillary and Trump, and don't like to be lied about?
Is THAT why you need to put me on "Ignore?"
For my consistency and honor??
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See you later folks. I see that liars for stumpy are allowed to utter any damned (and I do mean dsmned) at humans and we're expected to take, but we humans are told "no personal attacks."
I've seen this movie before. It didn't have a happy ending.
Don't go anywhere.
We need to keep fighting the falsehoods, and the more we have doing it, the better.
I have no doubt that the lies against us will continue, but we can't let the bullies win.
We have to counter with TRUTH every time we can.
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Yes, you have. Attacking the forum and attacking new members is not tough love, it's utterly disrespectful and out of bounds. You are lucky Mystery-ak has all the honor you lack.
that I won't vote for Trump does not mean I support Clinton. That is a logical falsehood. I will support the GOP nominee if that person is someone I can trust. I cannot trust Trump and therefore will not support him.
Logic is clearly not the strong suit of someone who's so emotionally invested that he can't think straight any more.
If he just heard himself say those stupid words out loud, he'd be ashamed......
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I am tired of seeing this as an argument here...no one here that I know of has endorsed Hillary...
This is the perfect example of what I mean by circular argument! This little diddy has been refuted countless times already here yet there it is again!
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This is the perfect example of what I mean by circular argument! This little diddy has been refuted countless times already here yet there it is again!
It's all they've got Bigun. That's what happens when you can't handle the truth.
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See you later folks. I see that liars for stumpy are allowed to utter any damned (and I do mean dsmned) at humans and we're expected to take, but we humans are told "no personal attacks."
I've seen this movie before. It didn't have a happy ending.
It seems to me the lies have been refuted as they should have. What is most important is that refuting the lies is allowed. TOS didn't allow that and that IS the difference.
You are not alone here by any means. I've been too busy the last month or so to have much participation.
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Will you vote for Donald Trump in November?
If not...you're part of the problem and not a solution.
That presupposes that Trump is the solution.
He is not.
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Will you vote for Donald Trump in November?
If not...you're part of the problem and not a solution.
Any other bloviating is white noise.
Today, it was 4-4 at the SCOTUS that kept Obama's illegal amnesty for 5 million from becoming reality.
That's utterly true.
No, I won't, because he is just as bad as Clinton. I'm not some rube who knows nothing of NYC politics; I live here, and I know all about Trump and his type. He is at least as liberal as Bloomberg is, and probably more so since NYC real estate is much more crony capitalist than is the information services industry. And nothing Trump says can be taken at value because he's an admitted liar; he revels in the sport of telling lies in negotiations to try and get one over on the marks. He cannot be trusted.
It's six of one, half dozen of the other as between Clinton and Trump; he is just as much a part of the problem as she is.
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Reality: If the "majority" of the GOP voters don't get behind the nominee, it's going to be a tough 4 to 8 years [or much longer] for this country.
So,even you are saying there will be no change.
I really wish we had the option to vote for someone that puts America ahead of self,but it looks like those days are gone forever.
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Someone here is advocating amnesty? Who?
That may be a stretch. We all know that Bubbette! and the entire DNC is pro-amnesty and open borders,and we all know that Trump is pro-amnesty and open borders when it comes to people willing to work cheap for his corporations,and we suspect it goes deeper than that.
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How couldn't I have seen the rigidness to an opinion that has gotten to the point that they are willing to see Hillrary Clinton win...just so they can feel appreciated.
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Well,you and I are not "old friends on the net" as far as I go,but for ME,it has nothing to do with a need to feel appreciated. I have Asperger's,and don't really give a damn if anyone likes me or not.
I am never Trump because I have given up on the political system,and see him being elected as nothing more than a temporary prop to keep the slaves from revolting for another year or two and they start another war somewhere to distract us.
I will NEVER be the first one to fire a shot,and I will NEVER encourage anyone else to do so either,but IMHO the revolution needs to happen within the next couple of years or it will never happen and we will once again be subjects instead of citizens. I see it happening regardless of if Trump or Bubbette! is the stand-in standing in at the WH,so since it is going to happen anyhow,LET THE GAMES BEGIN! The sooner it happens the better if individual freedoms and America is to survive.
Either way,national elections are now a sham and so is what passes for the Two Party System today. Both candidates "work for" the betterment of the same people,themselves. I don't see this changing unless the public rises up and forces changes.
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Will you vote for Donald Trump in November?
If not...you're part of the problem and not a solution.
"The problem" are the people thought Obama would make a better President than McCain and voted him into office.
"The problem" are those people who thought Obama would make a better President than Romney, and re-elected him.
"The problem" are the millions of people who think that a Socialist, an unconvicted felon, or a reality TV star make up the very best that this country, the country that gave the world Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Lincoln, Kennedy, and Reagan, have to offer as a leader.
Any other bloviating is white noise.
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"The problem" are the people thought Obama would make a better President than McCain and voted him into office.
"The problem" are those people who thought Obama would make a better President than Romney, and re-elected him.
"The problem" are the millions of people who think that a Socialist, an unconvicted felon, or a reality TV star make up the very best that this country, the country that gave the world Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Lincoln, Kennedy, and Reagan, have. To offer a s a leader.
Any other bloviating is white noise.
love
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This is the perfect example of what I mean by circular argument! This little diddy has been refuted countless times already here yet there it is again!
For the several months between the day that Trump announced his candidacy to the day that the last GOP candidate fell out of the race, a significant number of hard-core Conservatives, libertarians, and broken-glass Republicans sounded the warning that A) Trump would lose to Hillary because his numbers are upside down, and B) that they would never support him, at either the Primary or General Election level, yet, those who supported Trump chose to ignore that group.
Well, they should have listened, and those who ignored me to this point can continue ignoring me, since I'll pay them no more attention that they paid me.
Best of luck.
#NeverTrump
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For the several months between the day that Trump announced his candidacy to the day that the last GOP candidate fell out of the race, a significant number of hard-core Conservatives, libertarians, and broken-glass Republicans sounded the warning that A) Trump would lose to Hillary because his numbers are upside down, and B) that they would never support him, at either the Primary or General Election level, yet, those who supported Trump chose to ignore that group.
Well, they should have listened, and those who ignored me to this point can continue ignoring me, since I'll pay them no more attention that they paid me.
Best of luck.
#NeverTrump
I don't give a fig if Donald Trump is Lucifer. He's MY Lucifer. He's OUR Lucifer.
I'll still take that over Hillary Rodham Clinton and her stacked SCOTUS any day...any year. for decades to come.
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That presupposes that Trump is the solution.
He is not.
Precisely.
To me, the priority is defeating Trump. Why do you think I keep wanting, against all odds, to see him defeated at the convention? Because THAT's the only way we're going to defeat Hillary!
DC, the flaw in your logic is thinking that supporting Trump means opposition to Clinton. TRUMP ENABLES HILLARY. He is the one who makes her look good.
If you're #NeverHillary, you have to be #NeverTrump. Simple as that, DC.
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I don't give a fig if Donald Trump is Lucifer. He's MY Lucifer. He's OUR Lucifer.
I'll still take that over Hillary Rodham Clinton and her stacked SCOTUS any day...any year. for decades to come.
Go back and proof read what you just wrote. Pretty sick buddy...........
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I don't give a fig if Donald Trump is Lucifer. He's MY Lucifer. He's OUR Lucifer.
I'll still take that over Hillary Rodham Clinton and her stacked SCOTUS any day...any year. for decades to come.
But why, if you oppose Clinton, do you insist that we accept Lucifer as the alternative?
I don't give a fig if 14 million voted for Lucifer. I still want him replaced at the convention.
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I don't give a fig if Donald Trump is Lucifer. He's MY Lucifer. He's OUR Lucifer.
I'll still take that over Hillary Rodham Clinton and her stacked SCOTUS any day...any year. for decades to come.
He's YOUR Lucifer.
I accept no Lucifer.
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Go back and proof read what you just wrote. Pretty sick buddy...........
That's what some of the SOCONS call him. Among other things in here. I was using absurdity to make my point.
My point is that no matter what he is, he's represented by millions of Americans and controlled/kept in check by a Republican-led House and Senate.
And an loud minority party with their sympathetic media....
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Dustin Ulsterman
#Brexit my-oh-my it's looking like the Brits are about to punch the globalists right in the mouth if these results hold. The political elite are losing their sh*t over this. They are stunned beyond belief this might be happening.
Hold on GB. Sound the call. America is preparing to do something similar.
TRUMP 2016
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That's what some of the SOCONS call him. Among other things in here. I was using absurdity to make my point.
My point is that no matter what he is, he's represented by millions of Americans and controlled/kept in check by a Republican-led House and Senate.
And an loud minority party with their sympathetic media....
Why on earth should we vote for someone who has to be "kept in check"? Screw that.
And there won't be a Republican Senate, for sure.
You continue to ask that we vote for an unpredictable, unstable candidate who has to be put on a leash.
No thanks.
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That's what some of the SOCONS call him. Among other things in here. I was using absurdity to make my point.
My point is that no matter what he is, he's represented by millions of Americans and controlled/kept in check by a Republican-led House and Senate.
And an loud minority party with their sympathetic media....
Let me get this straight. You don't care "no matter what he is", because millions voted for him. (A plurality, not a majority, but no matter).
That's he got a mob of supporters says nothing, if that mob's supporting Lucifer.
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Dustin Ulsterman
Someone should ask Trump tomorrow to comment on the devaluation of the pound sterling, the bottom falling out of the US stock market and why that's a good thing.
He won't have an answer because he's effing clueless about economics.
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Let me get this straight. You don't care "no matter what he is", because millions voted for him. (A plurality, not a majority, but no matter).
That's he got a mob of supporters says nothing, if that mob's supporting Lucifer.
I don't care what he tries to be...because he's answering to millions who voted and supported him. I trust him with my life.
Hillary Clinton? Not so much.
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I don't care what he tries to be...because he's answering to millions who voted and supported him. I trust him with my life.
You realize that you're espousing cultism, don't you?
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You realize that you're espousing cultism, don't you?
He doesn't care.
He wants a dictator.
He doesn't care if it's Satan himself.
Trump is their messiah.
A king.
Someone who will punish those he himself hates.
That's why the Trump Militant are calling for the deaths of millions of Conservatives and Republicans who refuse to vote for him for Treason.
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You realize that you're espousing cultism, don't you?
Why?
I trusted my life in GWB's hands too!
And Ronald Reagan's.
Look, Jazzhead...you guyz are just pissed that some of us saw a winner when you mocked and mocked and mocked.
And he's going to the next POTUS and you're pissed that you picked a loser...whoever the flavor de jour was at the time.
It makes all your heads explode...to the point the embarrassment of admitting you backed the wrong horse is too much for you to publicly accept.
I understand there's a word for it....... :pondering:
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To me, the priority is defeating Trump. Why do you think I keep wanting, against all odds, to see him defeated at the convention? Because THAT's the only way we're going to defeat Hillary!
That's right. Trump is bound to lose. Without the Conservatives, it is just as guaranteed and predictable as it was for McCain't and Romney. And he *won't* be getting Conservatives. It isn't going to happen.
The best way to beat Hillary is to get behind someone the Conservatives CAN vote for.
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I don't give a fig if Donald Trump is Lucifer. He's MY Lucifer.
And there's your problem, right there. Are you listening to yourself?
He's OUR Lucifer.
No, he is not.
I'll still take that over Hillary Rodham Clinton and her stacked SCOTUS any day...any year. for decades to come.
It doesn't matter what you want. What matters is what will work. Trump, very predictably, will not work.
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Look, Jazzhead...you guyz are just pissed that some of us saw a winner when you mocked and mocked and mocked.
And he's going to the next POTUS and you're pissed that you picked a loser...whoever the flavor de jour was at the time.
@Jazzhead
LOL! Back to the 'winner/loser' meme, so very Trumpian. What, is this a football game?
Look, here's a clue: the ONLY way we 'win' is if we get a Conservative elected. The only way to win is being truly represented. What will fix this country is Conservatism, and nothing else will do. EVERYTHING else is loss.
If he is indeed elected, it will be Pyrrhic victory at best. But he will not be elected, because Conservatives aren't going to vote for him. Either way, you're guy is a loser. Big Time.
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Reality: If the "majority" of the GOP voters don't get behind the nominee, it's going to be a tough 4 to 8 years [or much longer] for this country.
Reality: things will be just as bad under Trump as under Clinton, except that it will become clear the GOP tarnished its political bonafides and fell victim to a comprehensive scam based on lies.
The only way to ensure that the next 4 are better than the last 8 is for the delegates at the convention to vote for Trexit - freedom from Trump.
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I don't give a fig if Donald Trump is Lucifer. He's MY Lucifer. He's OUR Lucifer.
I'll still take that over Hillary Rodham Clinton and her stacked SCOTUS any day...any year. for decades to come.
You had me fooled for a while David but I'm on to you now!
Have a GREAT day!
"Liberty is a word which, according as it is used, comprehends the most good and the most evil of any in the world. Justly understood it is sacred next to those which we appropriate in divine adoration; but in the mouths of some it means anything, which enervate a necessary government; excite a jealousy of the rulers who are our own choice, and keep society in confusion for want of a power sufficiently concentered to promote good."
Oliver Ellsworth, The Landholder, No. III, November 19, 1787
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Reality: things will be just as bad under Trump as under Clinton, except that it will become clear the GOP tarnished its political bonafides and fell victim to a comprehensive scam based on lies.
The only way to ensure that the next 4 are better than the last 8 is for the delegates at the convention to vote for Trexit - freedom from Trump.
Reality: Things are going to be bad no matter who gets elected in November! It's going to take some time to repair the damage done over the last eight years no matter who is at the helm!
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Reality: Things are going to be bad no matter who gets elected in November! It's going to take some time to repair the damage done over the last eight years no matter who is at the helm!
And, that's why we need someone competent and committed at the helm. Someone who has a strong sense of integrity and principles so that they won't be swayed from doing the right thing.
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And, that's why we need someone competent and committed at the helm. Someone who has a strong sense of integrity and principles so that they won't be swayed from doing the right thing.
:amen:
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Why?
I trusted my life in GWB's hands too!
And Ronald Reagan's.
Look, Jazzhead...you guyz are just pissed that some of us saw a winner when you mocked and mocked and mocked.
And he's going to the next POTUS and you're pissed that you picked a loser...whoever the flavor de jour was at the time.
It makes all your heads explode...to the point the embarrassment of admitting you backed the wrong horse is too much for you to publicly accept.
I understand there's a word for it....... :pondering:
There is only ONE reason that I would even consider supporting Mr. Trump...the vile, disgusting person that he is. The supreme court picks. Possibly it's too late for our country anyway and God is pulling his protective hand away from us, since we've turned our backs on Him.
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My point is that no matter what he is, he's represented by millions of Americans and controlled/kept in check by a Republican-led House and Senate.
And an loud minority party with their sympathetic media....
So we should support him in the hopes that if elected he will be kept in check by everything that he symbolizes an opposition to?
What kind of crazy s#it is that!?
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My point is that no matter what he is, he's represented by millions of Americans and controlled/kept in check by a Republican-led House and Senate.
And an loud minority party with their sympathetic media....
So...
Scenario #1 - Hillary wins and we hope she's controlled/kept in check by a Republcan-led House and Senate (if we hold both).
Scenario #2 - Trump wins and we hope he's controlled/kept in check by a Republican-led House and Senate (if we hold both).
Haven't you you've been busy trying to convince us that your Lucifer is better than their Lucifer while we've been saying that there isn't any difference between the two
I rest my case.
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So,even you are saying there will be no change.
I really wish we had the option to vote for someone that puts America ahead of self,but it looks like those days are gone forever.
Nope, that's not what I said.
Tell me this Pete, if you were a 70 year old billionaire with a beautiful wife and loving children, would you take time out of your life to run for President? If so, what would possess you to do so?
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"The problem" are the people thought Obama would make a better President than McCain and voted him into office.
"The problem" are those people who thought Obama would make a better President than Romney, and re-elected him.
"The problem" are the millions of people who think that a Socialist, an unconvicted felon, or a reality TV star make up the very best that this country, the country that gave the world Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Lincoln, Kennedy, and Reagan, have to offer as a leader.
Any other bloviating is white noise.
What about the "people" who were too good, too proud, to stuck on principle, etc. to vote for opponents of BHO? Isn't that who we're really talking about?
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He's YOUR Lucifer.
I accept no Lucifer.
Except the Luciferian Skull and Bones Bush family.
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What about the "people" who were too good, too proud, to stuck on principle, etc. to vote for opponents of BHO? Isn't that who we're really talking about?
I don't think so. I think most of the people here voted against 0bama.
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Reality: things will be just as bad under Trump as under Clinton, except that it will become clear the GOP tarnished its political bonafides and fell victim to a comprehensive scam based on lies.
The only way to ensure that the next 4 are better than the last 8 is for the delegates at the convention to vote for Trexit - freedom from Trump.
The GOP's 'bonafides' sailed long before Trump came on the scene. They've been a laughing stock and basically a non-factor at stopping the Obama agenda or the Progressive movement in general.
It's time to move on. Bring on the Revolution!
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You had me fooled for a while David but I'm on to you now!
Have a GREAT day!
"Liberty is a word which, according as it is used, comprehends the most good and the most evil of any in the world. Justly understood it is sacred next to those which we appropriate in divine adoration; but in the mouths of some it means anything, which enervate a necessary government; excite a jealousy of the rulers who are our own choice, and keep society in confusion for want of a power sufficiently concentered to promote good."
Oliver Ellsworth, The Landholder, No. III, November 19, 1787
You can't use people's real names on here.
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And, that's why we need someone competent and committed at the helm. Someone who has a strong sense of integrity and principles so that they won't be swayed from doing the right thing.
Like someone to do something about the rotten trade deals, the rotten bailout to banks etc, the wide open borders, the constant flow of illegals taking jobs and our tax money, the over-regulation and multiple taxes to support ridiculous ideas like ObamaCare?? Any of those ring a bell?
Trump promised to fix these things. If there's no progress after 4 years, he's outta there. If Hillary is elected, all those things get worse.
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I don't think so. I think most of the people here voted against 0bama.
I know I did.
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The GOP's 'bonafides' sailed long before Trump came on the scene. They've been a laughing stock and basically a non-factor at stopping the Obama agenda or the Progressive movement in general.
It's time to move on. Bring on the Revolution!
Right!~ So militantly support a lifelong Liberal Democrat crony Fascist who supported Clinton; endorsed , funded, campaigned and voted for a KNOWN COMMUNIST for NYC mayor less than 3 years ago; and who just several weeks ago endorsed a pro-Amnesty, pro-abortion Liberal for Congress against stalwart Conservatives.
You have no "revolution' to stop the Progressive movement in Trump. None.
All you got is a Trojan Horse sent to do one thing: wipe out Conservatism from within the Ruling Class Parties.
So you wave palm fronds in front of another Leftist and claim him your king. "Your Lucifer" because he decided to run with an 'R' after his name after consulting with Bill and Hillary.
Brilliant "revolution".
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Like someone to do something about the rotten trade deals, the rotten bailout to banks etc, the wide open borders, the constant flow of illegals taking jobs and our tax money, the over-regulation and multiple taxes to support ridiculous ideas like ObamaCare?? Any of those ring a bell?
Trump promised to fix these things.
The only way Trump fixes ANY of those *suggestions* (which are of course negotiable and on the table, along with our 2nd Amendment Rights according to his campaign spokesman yesterday), is if your Lucifer rules with a pen and phone, just like his predecessor.
Which according to the Trump Militant, is exactly what they want.
Another dictator. As long as he is theirs.
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Right!~ So militantly support a lifelong Liberal Democrat crony Fascist who supported Clinton; endorsed , funded, campaigned and voted for a KNOWN COMMUNIST for NYC mayor less than 3 years ago; and who just several weeks ago endorsed a pro-Amnesty, pro-abortion Liberal for Congress against stalwart Conservatives.
You have no "revolution' to stop the Progressive movement in Trump. None.
All you got is a Trojan Horse sent to do one thing: wipe out Conservatism from within the Ruling Class Parties.
So you wave palm fronds in front of another Leftist and claim him your king. "Your Lucifer" because he decided to run with an 'R' after his name after consulting with Bill and Hillary.
Brilliant "revolution".
My only KING is my savior Jesus Christ.
You can now stop with all your silly, uppity sounding insinuations about WHAT YOU THINK YOU KNOW ABOUT ME!
Understand?
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Like someone to do something about the rotten trade deals, the rotten bailout to banks etc, the wide open borders, the constant flow of illegals taking jobs and our tax money, the over-regulation and multiple taxes to support ridiculous ideas like ObamaCare?? Any of those ring a bell?
Trump promised to fix these things. If there's no progress after 4 years, he's outta there. If Hillary is elected, all those things get worse.
How do you leap from what I said to your response?
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How do you leap from what I said to your response?
Because you think just because you don't believe Trump has honor and integrity that he can't get things done.
Fact is we need a real SOB to get these sort of things accomplished. Someone with grit and determination.
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My only KING is my savior Jesus Christ.
You can now stop with all your silly, uppity sounding insinuations about WHAT YOU THINK YOU KNOW ABOUT ME!
Understand?
And Trump claims he is a practicing Christian too.
Yet the words and the fruits do not add up.
Out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks.
And so did you.
Even going so far as to call another poster here a racist and a traitor because of his ethnicity and his refusal to genuflect your prince, and then you doubled down on it - justifying the charges.
You claim Christ, yet seek for a vulgar "real SOB" to rule. Those two claims do not add up.
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Just throw a rock...you'll probably hit one. [including those who would just as soon see Hillary as POTUS]
Trump is advocating touch back amnesty. But his supporters are ok with that now because Trump backs it.
Touch back is a horrible idea. Can you imagine if theme parks had that policy? All theme parks I know have a policy if you cut in line you get kicked out...no refunds and not allowed back in. So before someone cuts in line they will think twice.
Now if the policy was if you cut in line we send you to the end of the line then everyone will just cut because the worst thing to happen is you go to the end of the line (same place you would be if you followed the rules).
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Because you think just because you don't believe Trump has honor and integrity that he can't get things done.
Fact is we need a real SOB to get these sort of things accomplished. Someone with grit and determination.
Nope, Wolfcreek, I said nothing of the sort. I actually wasn't even thinking of Trump; I was thinking of what we need in a candidate.
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Trump is advocating touch back amnesty. But his supporters are ok with that now because Trump backs it.
Touch back is a horrible idea. Can you imagine if theme parks had that policy? All theme parks I know have a policy if you cut in line you get kicked out...no refunds and not allowed back in. So before someone cuts in line they will think twice.
Now if the policy was if you cut in line we send you to the end of the line then everyone will just cut because the worst thing to happen is you go to the end of the line (same place you would be if you followed the rules).
He's advocating a wall to finally control our southern border. That's where we start.
Some, like the Dreamers, deserve to be first in line....right behind those doing it legally.
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Nope, Wolfcreek, I said nothing of the sort. I actually wasn't even thinking of Trump; I was thinking of what we need in a candidate.
You know as well as I that 99 times out of 100 when a politician [no matter who] gets elected and goes to DC, they are turned.
We need someone who not looking to get wealthy on the backs of the taxpayer of this country.
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"The problem" are the people thought Obama would make a better President than McCain and voted him into office.
"The problem" are those people who thought Obama would make a better President than Romney, and re-elected him.
"The problem" are the millions of people who think that a Socialist, an unconvicted felon, or a reality TV star make up the very best that this country, the country that gave the world Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Lincoln, Kennedy, and Reagan, have to offer as a leader.
Any other bloviating is white noise.
It was observed by a famous philosopher in the 1960's that "We has met the enemy,and he is us!"
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I don't give a fig if Donald Trump is Lucifer. He's MY Lucifer. He's OUR Lucifer.
I'll still take that over Hillary Rodham Clinton and her stacked SCOTUS any day...any year. for decades to come.
I am not dumping on you. This is a serious question,and I would appreciate a serious response. WHAT is it about Trump and his known history that convinces you that he would do anything any differently than Bubbette?
Other than the Big Red "R" he is wearing on his chest this year,that is?
Ok,two questions. "Do you think ANY president we have had since Reagan left office has been even remotely conservative?"
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He's YOUR Lucifer.
I accept no Lucifer.
I don't understand why anyone would willingly vote for anyone they think is evil. Even if you think they are a lesser evil,you are STILL knowing voting for evil.
Which is EXACTLY what brought us the Bush Crime Family,and nominations for traitors like McLunatic and dedicated One Worlders like Romney. Someone PLEASE explain to me why any of that was a positive move to make to save our nation and way of life.
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Dustin Ulsterman
#Brexit my-oh-my it's looking like the Brits are about to punch the globalists right in the mouth if these results hold. The political elite are losing their sh*t over this. They are stunned beyond belief this might be happening.
Hold on GB. Sound the call. America is preparing to do something similar.
TRUMP 2016<<
DC,are you claiming "Mr Bankrupt in Mexico so he would steal the life savings of US retirees and not go to court over it in the US." is not a globalist?
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Someone should ask Trump tomorrow to comment on the devaluation of the pound sterling, the bottom falling out of the US stock market and why that's a good thing.
He won't have an answer because he's effing clueless about economics.
He's clueless about everything but hiring good lawyers to represent him,and he cares nothing about what is good for anyone that isn't him or one of his Mini-Me's.
Trump is smart enough to hire and take the advise of good lawyers,and that's where it ends.
You can be sure there was a plan in place to benefit him before he ever announced because he has been personally making millions from running for office by charging all his expenses to his campaign,renting his private jet to his campaign,billing his campaign for his food,travel,bodyguards,and everything else,including the hats he buys from a company that he owns.
Trump is the world's biggest male whore.
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Why?
I trusted my life in GWB's hands too!
Yet you seem to have not learned a damn thing about false political prophets.
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Nope, that's not what I said.
Tell me this Pete, if you were a 70 year old billionaire with a beautiful wife and loving children, would you take time out of your life to run for President?
No,but I am not a narcissistic sociopath on a global ego-trip.
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It's time to move on. Bring on the Revolution!
I agree,but Trump ain't nothing but more "Business as usual".
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Like someone to do something about the rotten trade deals, the rotten bailout to banks etc, the wide open borders, the constant flow of illegals taking jobs and our tax money, the over-regulation and multiple taxes to support ridiculous ideas like ObamaCare?? Any of those ring a bell?
Trump promised to fix these things. If there's no progress after 4 years, he's outta there. If Hillary is elected, all those things get worse.
Santa used to promise a lot of crap,too. Do you still believe in Santa?
The only difference is the Santa of your youth worked for the department stores that were trying to sell your parents a bill of good,and todays's Santa used other people's money to buy the department store,and he is busying billing the store for everything he does,and planning on looting the store of any money left over before he bails.
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My only KING is my savior Jesus Christ.
Is he a mean-mouthed old fat man with orange hair and skin?
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He's advocating a wall to finally control our southern border. That's where we start.
No,that is just a temporary campaign position that is open to negotiation,like everything else.
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We need someone who not looking to get wealthy on the backs of the taxpayer of this country.
You mean that someone whose business model is bankruptcy,and who makes their money from claiming bankruptcy after raiding the coffers of the business they are supposed to be running to pay their personal bills is someone you wouldn't support?
Is it possible that you don't know ANYTHING about Trump other than he claims to be a Republican?
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I am not dumping on you. This is a serious question,and I would appreciate a serious response. WHAT is it about Trump and his known history that convinces you that he would do anything any differently than Bubbette?
Other than the Big Red "R" he is wearing on his chest this year,that is?
Ok,two questions. "Do you think ANY president we have had since Reagan left office has been even remotely conservative?"
Thanks for your interest, @sneakypete ! BTW...you know I've told you I how much I appreciate and respect your raw edge.
And appreciate how you've kept 'it' in check! :laugh:
Donald Trump is an entrepreneur. He fixes things. He builds things.
Our economy needs such a man with that perspective. Handcuff the Department of the Interior and the Evironment, as well as the Department of Homeland Security.
Get their boots off the necks of markets and business.
All he has to do is promise to get people back into a 40 hour work week, because we're going back to free market health care providers.
Trillions of dollars will pour out of the 'woodwork' We'll see booms that these YUTES have only read about.
And I have to believe that the part will have a strong influence on who he nominates for the Court. It won't be any 'Sotomayor'.
And I believe he will crack down on the open borders.
But I think he will be fair.
With Hillary, the IRS will treble down on how they made life miserable for Conservatives. With Hillary, the 2nd Amendment is repealed outright. The First Amendment will have limitations...said limitations decided by activist judges who vote straight party line.
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Why on earth should we vote for someone who has to be "kept in check"? Screw that.
And there won't be a Republican Senate, for sure.
You continue to ask that we vote for an unpredictable, unstable candidate who has to be put on a leash.
No thanks.
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Thanks for your interest, @sneakypete ! BTW...you know I've told you I how much I appreciate and respect your raw edge.
And appreciate how you've kept 'it' in check! :laugh:
Donald Trump is an entrepreneur. He fixes things. He builds things.
Our economy needs such a man with that perspective. Handcuff the Department of the Interior and the Evironment, as well as the Department of Homeland Security.
Get their boots off the necks of markets and business.
All he has to do is promise to get people back into a 40 hour work week, because we're going back to free market health care providers.
Trillions of dollars will pour out of the 'woodwork' We'll see booms that these YUTES have only read about.
And I have to believe that the part will have a strong influence on who he nominates for the Court. It won't be any 'Sotomayor'.
And I believe he will crack down on the open borders.
But I think he will be fair.
With Hillary, the IRS will treble down on how they made life miserable for Conservatives. With Hillary, the 2nd Amendment is repealed outright. The First Amendment will have limitations...said limitations decided by activist judges who vote straight party line.
Thank you for the honest response. If that is what you really believe,that is what you really believe.
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Thanks for your interest, @sneakypete ! BTW...you know I've told you I how much I appreciate and respect your raw edge.
And appreciate how you've kept 'it' in check! :laugh:
Donald Trump is an entrepreneur. He fixes things. He builds things.
Our economy needs such a man with that perspective. Handcuff the Department of the Interior and the Evironment, as well as the Department of Homeland Security.
Get their boots off the necks of markets and business.
All he has to do is promise to get people back into a 40 hour work week, because we're going back to free market health care providers.
Trillions of dollars will pour out of the 'woodwork' We'll see booms that these YUTES have only read about.
And I have to believe that the part will have a strong influence on who he nominates for the Court. It won't be any 'Sotomayor'.
And I believe he will crack down on the open borders.
But I think he will be fair.
With Hillary, the IRS will treble down on how they made life miserable for Conservatives. With Hillary, the 2nd Amendment is repealed outright. The First Amendment will have limitations...said limitations decided by activist judges who vote straight party line.
One of your best summations and right on the mark!
Thank you for the honest response. If that is what you really believe,that is what you really believe.
Ditto for me, what he said.
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Thanks for your interest, @sneakypete ! BTW...you know I've told you I how much I appreciate and respect your raw edge.
And appreciate how you've kept 'it' in check! :laugh:
Donald Trump is an entrepreneur. He fixes things. He builds things.
Our economy needs such a man with that perspective. Handcuff the Department of the Interior and the Evironment, as well as the Department of Homeland Security.
Get their boots off the necks of markets and business.
All he has to do is promise to get people back into a 40 hour work week, because we're going back to free market health care providers.
Trillions of dollars will pour out of the 'woodwork' We'll see booms that these YUTES have only read about.
And I have to believe that the part will have a strong influence on who he nominates for the Court. It won't be any 'Sotomayor'.
And I believe he will crack down on the open borders.
But I think he will be fair.
With Hillary, the IRS will treble down on how they made life miserable for Conservatives. With Hillary, the 2nd Amendment is repealed outright. The First Amendment will have limitations...said limitations decided by activist judges who vote straight party line.
I want (most of) those things too, That's why I oppose Trump. If Trump's the nominee, Hillary will win.
Save the message. Replace the messenger.
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I want (most of) those things too, That's why I oppose Trump. If Trump's the nominee, Hillary will win.
Save the message. Replace the messenger.
First of all...it's too late. No momentum going into Cleveland?
Secondly, Trump is Secretariat. Trump is Sea Biscuit. Why would you bet against him?
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First of all...it's too late. No momentum going into Cleveland?
Secondly, Trump is Secretariat. Trump is Sea Biscuit. Why would you bet against him?
Well, he certainly is some part of a horse's anatomy, that's for sure.
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One of your best summations and right on the mark!
Ditto for me, what he said.
Thanks, my friend. :beer:
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Secondly, Trump is Secretariat. Trump is Sea Biscuit. Why would you bet against him?
1. He is not Conservative in any fashion.
2. He is of an incredibly low character.
3. 70% of the electorate cannot stand him.
4. His mouth is big enough to contain both his feet at the same time.
The first two points remove any hope of principled change, even if he were to win.
The second two points remove any hope of winning.
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He's advocating a wall to finally control our southern border. That's where we start.
Some, like the Dreamers, deserve to be first in line....right behind those doing it legally.
And those that are here illegally are next in line. So they will continue to come in illegally since there is no penalty at all for coming here via illegal channels. No thanks...only idiots think that works and I'm not idiot.
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Keep up the good fight, my FRiend! I read all of your posts.
I have what I used to consider "close FRiends", heck, almost 'family'...in the #nevertrump camp.
I am just a poor boy
Though my story's seldom told
I have squandered my resistance
For a pocketful of mumbles
Such are promises
All lies and jest
Still, a man hears what he wants to hear
And disregards the rest.
Lie la lie...
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Nope, that's not what I said.
Tell me this Pete, if you were a 70 year old billionaire with a beautiful wife and loving children, would you take time out of your life to run for President?
Funny how you talk about the "beautiful wife" as if she were a prize. You say "loving children" in contrast... Very telling...
And the answer is easy, "President" is the biggest power prize of them all. To win that is to place your name in history on a very short list. The biggest ego stroke of all, much more exclusive than a mere billionaire.
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I agree,but Trump ain't nothing but more "Business as usual".
That remains to be seen. Compared to Hillary's agenda, it wouldn't take much.
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Santa used to promise a lot of crap,too. Do you still believe in Santa?
The only difference is the Santa of your youth worked for the department stores that were trying to sell your parents a bill of good,and todays's Santa used other people's money to buy the department store,and he is busying billing the store for everything he does,and planning on looting the store of any money left over before he bails.
Those of issues I want the next POTUS to deal with. No one but Trump has addressed them. The rest want to follow the path we've been on for more than 100 years....toward a Socialist NWO where everything is controlled by a central government.
Britain realized this and so should we.
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You mean that someone whose business model is bankruptcy,and who makes their money from claiming bankruptcy after raiding the coffers of the business they are supposed to be running to pay their personal bills is someone you wouldn't support?
Is it possible that you don't know ANYTHING about Trump other than he claims to be a Republican?
It's possible I'm not as knowledgeable and cock-sure as you, Pete.
One thing I am sure of is that Hillary is a proven disaster whose presidency would further send this country down the Progressive highway, essentially destroying any semblance of Right wing leadership for the foreseeable future. That Sir is a given.
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Funny how you talk about the "beautiful wife" as if she were a prize. You say "loving children" in contrast... Very telling...
And the answer is easy, "President" is the biggest power prize of them all. To win that is to place your name in history on a very short list. The biggest ego stroke of all, much more exclusive than a mere billionaire.
Hog wash! If I had all those things plus a thriving family business, I wouldn't waste my time trying to save a ship full of morons. [or Hillary's butt]
And your back-handed slam about what I think of women is just some more ridiculous rhetoric from the land of #nevertrump. aka #landofthelost
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Trump is sea biscuit? Wasn't there a list on FR about the ridiculous things Trump has been compared to? I bet sea biscuit isn't one of them.
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Trump is sea biscuit? Wasn't there a list on FR about the ridiculous things Trump has been compared to? I bet sea biscuit isn't one of them.
He's certainly this part of Seabiscuit:
(http://www.hammeringtruth.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/horses-rear-end.jpg)
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He's certainly this part of Seabiscuit:
(http://www.hammeringtruth.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/horses-rear-end.jpg)
88finger point 88finger point 88finger point
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It's possible I'm not as knowledgeable and cock-sure as you, Pete.
One thing I am sure of is that Hillary is a proven disaster whose presidency would further send this country down the Progressive highway, essentially destroying any semblance of Right wing leadership for the foreseeable future. That Sir is a given.
It is also a given that two wrongs (fascists,in this case) don't make for a right (president). We will never remove the corrupt One Party System in place now as long as people who SHOULD know better keep voting for one of the contestants controlled by the One World Government Fascists.
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Hog wash! If I had all those things plus a thriving family business, I wouldn't waste my time trying to save a ship full of morons. [or Hillary's butt]
Yeah,but YOU are not a narcissistic sociopath with an ego the size of the known universe.
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It is also a given that two wrongs (fascists,in this case) don't make for a right (president). We will never remove the corrupt One Party System in place now as long as people who SHOULD know better keep voting for one of the contestants controlled by the One World Government Fascists.
Which one of those 17 potential GOP candidates fit that bill.
Carson, that chick or Trump. Everyone else belonged to some slimy organization, went to one of 'those' universities or had a spouse who was involved with big banks, hedge funds, etc.
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Yeah,but YOU are not a narcissistic sociopath with an ego the size of the known universe.
How do you know? :laugh:
BTW: what you got against Pay Pal?
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Which one of those 17 potential GOP candidates fit that bill.
Carson, that chick or Trump. Everyone else belonged to some slimy organization, went to one of 'those' universities or had a spouse who was involved with big banks, hedge funds, etc.
Trump is a definite fit. It's not only where he lives,it is where he was born.
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How do you know? :laugh:
BTW: what you got against Pay Pal?
Owners are radical globalists that support pretty much everything I despise.
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Trump is a definite fit. It's not only where he lives,it is where he was born.
@sneakypete
You begin with the premise that there's a love of this country someplace in Donald Trump's heart.
And using his "ego-mania", and "narcissistic" vices in your argument, he won't allow himself to fail.
He would LOVE to go down in history as the "Man Who Saved America".
And our whole point is, being that he's the ONLY candidate that can get us there.
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Trump is a definite fit. It's not only where he lives,it is where he was born.
He never wentto the 'right' schools, he was never part of the MIC, he's not in any organizations like Council on Foreign Relations or elite frats.
He would be in the position as POTUS to piss off everyone of those you consider enemies of the free world.
Maybe he already has?
http://www.thecommonsenseshow.com/2016/03/01/the-council-of-foreign-relations-declares-war-on-donald-trump-his-days-are-numbered/
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@sneakypete
You begin with the premise that there's a love of this country someplace in Donald Trump's heart.<<
*I* begin with the premise that he loves no one but himself,and only loves his children because they are extensions of himself. "Mini-Me's" for him to leave behind after the current version dies.
And using his "ego-mania", and "narcissistic" vices in your argument, he won't allow himself to fail.<<
Which is why I have been saying since the day he announced that he would drop out of the race late. The one thing his ego can't stand is to lose big in such a public way that he can't deny losing.
Granted,I also think he had a behind the scenes deal with the DNC/Bubbette! to do this (think Ross Perot,Part-2) and IF he were to be winning late in the election he might decide to feed his ego by screwing Bubbette! and staying in the race,but the chances of this idiot beating even Bubbette! range from slim to none at all. Ergo,he will keep the deal,drop out,get paid off,and spend the rest of his life bragging about how "I COULD have been the President of the United States if I wanted,but decided the job was beneath me so I dropped out."
He would LOVE to go down in history as the "Man Who Saved America".<<
It has also been claimed that people in Hell want ice water.
And our whole point is, being that he's the ONLY candidate that can get us there.<<
He can't and won't get us anywhere,but to another President Clinton.
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He never wentto the 'right' schools, he was never part of the MIC, he's not in any organizations like Council on Foreign Relations or elite frats.<<
So what? He is life-long "besties" with everyone that did,and being one of them is one of his life-long desires,
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He would LOVE to go down in history as the "Man Who Saved America".
And our whole point is, being that he's the ONLY candidate that can get us there.
That's absolute idolatry and blasphemy against both God and the Constitution.
Not surprising since you people have made it clear you want a king, a prince and dictator, you don't care if it's the Devil himself - making ridiculous claims of delusional grandeur that Trump will be the one to save us, when he was sent to destroy any effective opposition to Hildabeast.
It's 2008 all over again - with a mob of zealots convinced their man is messiah in the flesh.
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/ad/d7/1e/add71e2b37682f46eedff8e548dd6fe6.jpg)
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That's absolute idolatry and blasphemy against both God and the Constitution.
Not surprising since you people have made it clear you want a king, a prince and dictator, you don't care if it's the Devil himself - making ridiculous claims of delusional grandeur that Trump will be the one to save us, when he was sent to destroy any effective opposition to Hildabeast.
It's 2008 all over again - with a mob of zealots convinced their man is messiah in the flesh.
Idolatry, blasphemy, God, the Devil, the messiah, mob of zealots? Glad you're helping to keep these political discussions reasonable and rational...
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Idolatry, blasphemy, God, the Devil, the messiah, mob of zealots? Glad you're helping to keep these political discussions reasonable and rational...
You apparently have been missing out on the dialogue from the Trump Militant in the past week.
I do not find any reasonableness or rationality in a mindset that insists that Trump is going to save the country. It is idolatry to assume one man is going to save this nation, when we do not have a monarchy and were not founded on that precept so many now ascribe to Trump.
And the Lucifer deal, well - as one of the acolytes for Trump himself stated, he is HIS Lucifer.
So you have that which I referenced.
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Dennis Miller:
Don’t kid yourself.
At this point, any vote for anyone that is not Donald Trump is a vote for Hillary Clinton.
Also, both Presidential boxes left blank is a vote for Hillary Clinton because as mindless as Liberals can be even they don’t enter into suicide pacts with that petulant, whiny part of themselves.
As that is your wont, fine…do it!
But don’t bullshit yourself.
You’re electing Hillary Clinton because you want to elect Hillary Clinton.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/05/dennis-miller-dont-kid-point-vote-anyone-not-trump-vote-hillary/ (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/05/dennis-miller-dont-kid-point-vote-anyone-not-trump-vote-hillary/)
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Dennis Miller:
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/05/dennis-miller-dont-kid-point-vote-anyone-not-trump-vote-hillary/ (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/05/dennis-miller-dont-kid-point-vote-anyone-not-trump-vote-hillary/)
Love how that logical fallacy keeps rearing its ugly head. Just goes to show that Trump supporters have a very weak grasp of basic logic. I am only responsible for the vote I cast, not for the votes I do not cast. And if I do not vote for a certain person, that is the fault of that person and that person's supporters, because they failed to persuade me.
It's too bad Trump is such anathema to so many people. If his supporters had used their brains, instead of giving in to their hatred and fear, we wouldn't be in this place.
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You apparently have been missing out on the dialogue from the Trump Militant in the past week.
I do not find any reasonableness or rationality in a mindset that insists that Trump is going to save the country. It is idolatry to assume one man is going to save this nation, when we do not have a monarchy and were not founded on that precept so many now ascribe to Trump.
And the Lucifer deal, well - as one of the acolytes for Trump himself stated, he is HIS Lucifer.
So you have that which I referenced.
I've followed it quite well actually for many months now. I don't think Trump can save the Nation, certainly not without a congress that will both guide him and work with him. I don't yet care much for him, and he would not be my candidate. Still, there is no other choice for me. Electing him may not save the Country, but the next round of Democrats running it will ruin it far more than it is today. I neither condemn anyone here for their vote nor tell anyone how to vote. And I certainly can't see any rationale for the kind of language you used as references to a political issue.
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Love how that logical fallacy keeps rearing its ugly head. Just goes to show that Trump supporters have a very weak grasp of basic logic. I am only responsible for the vote I cast, not for the votes I do not cast. And if I do not vote for a certain person, that is the fault of that person and that person's supporters, because they failed to persuade me.
It's too bad Trump is such anathema to so many people. If his supporters had used their brains, instead of giving in to their hatred and fear, we wouldn't be in this place.
Or you just don't care who becomes President.
YOUR opinions and principles are the reason why YOU are where YOU'RE at. Don't blame it on others.
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Or you just don't care who becomes President.
YOUR opinions and principles are the reason why YOU are where YOU'RE at. Don't blame it on others.
The stark contrast here is that despite their level of formal education and experience in critical thinking, they have no connection with "The Street".
They don't see that Donald Trump, not only beat 16 other candidates head to head...not only the GOPe...but also that he's the ONLY person that has been able to piss on the media's leg and tell them it's raining. Time and again.
They can't grasp that he's the perfect opponent for the always overreaching Left.
They can't 'see' the similarities between Obama's bringing 1 million Muslims here into the USA since 2009 (it's probably a helluva lot more than than that)....virtually dissolving our Southern Border by allowing perhaps 4-5 Million here in the same timeframe....with Angela Merkel declaring that she was welcoming "....up to 800,000 Muslim immigrants to rebuild Germany's workforce".
They can't see the anger with 29 hour work weeks....mandated health insurance you cannot afford...being lied to by the Democrats and Obama that your premiums would go down and you could keep your doctor.
THAT is real for Joe the Plumber. And Joseph the accountant.
They refuse to accept that Donald Trump is going to ride that same wave of populism right into the Oval Office.
Praise Jesus! :beer:
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They can't see the anger with 29 hour work weeks....mandated health insurance you cannot afford...being lied to by the Democrats and Obama that your premiums would go down and you could keep your doctor.
THAT is real for Joe the Plumber. And Joseph the accountant.
They refuse to accept that Donald Trump is going to ride that same wave of populism right into the Oval Office.
Praise Jesus! :beer:
YES!!! real for every young adult I know that either can't find a job or needs two 'part time' jobs to make ends meet as they can no longer afford apartments on their own so share with multiple roommates as
rents rise because property taxes increase to pay the protected class their promised minwage and benes FOREVER. vote dems OUT - ALL of them.
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The stark contrast here is that despite their level of formal education and experience in critical thinking, they have no connection with "The Street".
They don't see that Donald Trump, not only beat 16 other candidates head to head...not only the GOPe...but also that he's the ONLY person that has been able to piss on the media's leg and tell them it's raining. Time and again.
They can't grasp that he's the perfect opponent for the always overreaching Left.
They can't 'see' the similarities between Obama's bringing 1 million Muslims here into the USA since 2009 (it's probably a helluva lot more than than that)....virtually dissolving our Southern Border by allowing perhaps 4-5 Million here in the same timeframe....with Angela Merkel declaring that she was welcoming "....up to 800,000 Muslim immigrants to rebuild Germany's workforce".
They can't see the anger with 29 hour work weeks....mandated health insurance you cannot afford...being lied to by the Democrats and Obama that your premiums would go down and you could keep your doctor.
THAT is real for Joe the Plumber. And Joseph the accountant.
They refuse to accept that Donald Trump is going to ride that same wave of populism right into the Oval Office.
Praise Jesus! :beer:
Indeed.
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The stark contrast here is that despite their level of formal education and experience in critical thinking, they have no connection with "The Street".
They don't see that Donald Trump, not only beat 16 other candidates head to head...not only the GOPe...but also that he's the ONLY person that has been able to piss on the media's leg and tell them it's raining. Time and again.
They can't grasp that he's the perfect opponent for the always overreaching Left.
They can't 'see' the similarities between Obama's bringing 1 million Muslims here into the USA since 2009 (it's probably a helluva lot more than than that)....virtually dissolving our Southern Border by allowing perhaps 4-5 Million here in the same timeframe....with Angela Merkel declaring that she was welcoming "....up to 800,000 Muslim immigrants to rebuild Germany's workforce".
They can't see the anger with 29 hour work weeks....mandated health insurance you cannot afford...being lied to by the Democrats and Obama that your premiums would go down and you could keep your doctor.
THAT is real for Joe the Plumber. And Joseph the accountant.
They refuse to accept that Donald Trump is going to ride that same wave of populism right into the Oval Office.
Praise Jesus! :beer:
:amen: righteous posting, dude!
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:amen: righteous posting, dude!
:beer:
Done playing with these people.
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:beer:
Done playing with these people.
HEAR, HEAR!
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HEAR, HEAR!
Not confronting them. I'm putting them on ignore.
At this stage of the game, if they're still doing conservative pedigree-checks even the Pope couldn't pass today? Then I don't want to know them.
It's not like we have any history among us...compared to, for example, @sinkspur :laugh: I'll never give up on him.
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Please stay on topic.
And, contrary to the last many comments, the topic is NOT what you think of your fellow TBR'ers.
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Not confronting them. I'm putting them on ignore.
At this stage of the game, if they're still doing conservative pedigree-checks even the Pope couldn't pass today?
Since when has that freaking commie in the Vatican been a conservative?
Hell,the Vatican INVENTED globalism!
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Since when has that freaking commie in the Vatican been a conservative?
Hell,the Vatican INVENTED globalism!
I purposely used the Pope in my post, knowing his Leftist bent. :laugh:
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Please stay on topic.
And, contrary to the last many comments, the topic is NOT what you think of your fellow TBR'ers.
#1 the thread is 24 pages long
#2 My remarks certainly do follow the overall theme and remarks herein.
#3. Since I will have many fellow members on ignore, I will not be here defending myself on attacks such as I had to endure from @Oceander the other night. Therefore, I will continue to make my case as politely as possible. You know....the way we ALL used to post over a year ago.
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24 pages and we're supposed stay on topic? Whoa, slow down there -- let me catch my breath! The depth of discussion on 'will you vote for the Republican nominee' ...my head is spinning!
Sounds more like an attempt at moderator :threadjack: if you ask me.
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24 pages and we're supposed stay on topic? Whoa, slow down there -- let me catch my breath! The depth of discussion on 'will you vote for the Republican nominee' ...that has my head is spinning!
Sounds more like an attempt at moderator :threadjack: if you ask me.
We both know who it is, @aligncare
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#1 the thread is 24 pages long
#2 My remarks certainly do follow the overall theme and remarks herein.
#3. Since I will have many fellow members on ignore, I will not be here defending myself on attacks such as I had to endure from @Oceander the other night. Therefore, I will continue to make my case as politely as possible. You know....the way we ALL used to post over a year ago.
:baby:
If you're going to sling the hash you'd better be ready to catch it when it comes back. And you've been slinging a lot of hash around lately, including in Myst's direction.
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:baby:
If you're going to sling the hash you'd better be ready to catch it when it comes back. And you've been slinging a lot of hash around lately, including in Myst's direction.
And look who shows up! :laugh:
Get back on topic, @Oceander And mind you own GD business.
@mystery-ak That's a GD lie. And I want it stopped now!
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Not confronting them. I'm putting them on ignore.
At this stage of the game, if they're still doing conservative pedigree-checks even the Pope couldn't pass today? Then I don't want to know them.
It's not like we have any history among us...compared to, for example, @sinkspur :laugh: I'll never give up on him.
Do you think the Pope is Conservative? If so that explains a lot! He's a big commie in case you didn't know.
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Amazing the amount of demands the Trump Militant make.
They demand we vote for their prince, or be deemed traitors and worse.
They demand safe spaces and echo chambers free from any contrarian views.
They demand action and bannings/suspensions/removals of those who dare question them or their prince.
They demand stoppage of anyone pointing out their hypocrisy.
Or they will put you on ignore and run to the mods screaming like infants because people are not putting up with their bullying tactics.
Very fascinating.
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So where's the crack moderator to come in here and admonish errant posters to stay on topic and off other poster's backs?
Oh, I forgot. That only applies if you're a Trump supporter.
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The stark contrast here is that despite their level of formal education and experience in critical thinking, they have no connection with "The Street".
LOL!
They don't see that Donald Trump, not only beat 16 other candidates head to head...not only the GOPe...but also that he's the ONLY person that has been able to piss on the media's leg and tell them it's raining. Time and again.
And in that process, by hook and by crook, managed to piss everyone off so very badly that there is no chance of any unity at all - The price you pay for a divisive campaign built upon denigrating your opponents and the election system, and the party itself, while lying through your teeth the whole way along.
They can't grasp that he's the perfect opponent for the always overreaching Left.
Quite the opposite. He IS the left... Which is why he too is always overreaching.
They can't 'see' the similarities between Obama's bringing 1 million Muslims here into the USA since 2009 (it's probably a helluva lot more than than that)....virtually dissolving our Southern Border by allowing perhaps 4-5 Million here in the same timeframe....with Angela Merkel declaring that she was welcoming "....up to 800,000 Muslim immigrants to rebuild Germany's workforce".
We see just fine - What is at issue is whether a man of low character, such as Trump, will actually do as he has promised - most of which he has already backtracked upon... And lacking principles, whether he has the stones to rectify anything in the first place.
They can't see the anger with 29 hour work weeks....mandated health insurance you cannot afford...being lied to by the Democrats and Obama that your premiums would go down and you could keep your doctor.
So what about the anger? Anger is useless without a plan... DESTROY EVERYTHING!!! Then what?
They refuse to accept that Donald Trump is going to ride that same wave of populism right into the Oval Office.
Not without Conservatives, he's not.
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So where's the crack moderator to come in here and admonish errant posters to stay on topic and off other poster's backs?
Oh, I forgot. That only applies if you're a Trump supporter.
See what I mean?
I find this interesting because when only 36.1% of the respondents to the poll say they are voting for Trump, a small minority of those 36.1% then go full-tilt against the remaining 64%and declare them to be everything from traitors to trolls and go on to demand their safe spaces and echo chambers because taking over social media groups and entire forums is not enough. They then stalk threads and fling insults and other assorted condescensions while feigning innocence after running to the mods to complain because they are 'done playing with these people'. So then they trumpet about how they have us all on ignore yet demand the banning and silencing those who will not support the 36.1% and go on to throw public tantrums against the mod staff for not moving fast enough to suit them, or because they do not like being admonished by the same.
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They can't see the anger with 29 hour work weeks....mandated health insurance you cannot afford...being lied to by the Democrats and Obama that your premiums would go down and you could keep your doctor.
I've got bad news for you. Trump has said he's going to require health insurance companies to accept people with preexisting conditions and is part of his "plan". The only way you can do that is require people to buy health insurance - hence the "mandate". He was for the mandate before he was against it... Otherwise no one in their right mind would buy insurance until they have a problem that needs covered. It is a logical fallacy to claim you can cover preexisting conditions without the mandate. The mandate is why we have 29 hour work weeks. So if you expect Trump to "fix" this, you are dead wrong. That is if you believe Trump's going to do what he says he'll do...
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I've got bad news for you. Trump has said he's going to require health insurance companies to accept people with preexisting conditions and is part of his "plan". The only way you can do that is require people to buy health insurance - hence the "mandate". He was for the mandate before he was against it... Otherwise no one in their right mind would buy insurance until they have a problem that needs covered. It is a logical fallacy to claim you can cover preexisting conditions without the mandate. The mandate is why we have 29 hour work weeks. So if you expect Trump to "fix" this, you are dead wrong. That is if you believe Trump's going to do what he says he'll do...
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HEY! Cut the Orange One some slack on that one. His lawyers probably haven't explained what a "mandate" is to him yet. Once they figure out how to spin it and teach him how to repeat what they have came up with,he will parrot it.
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Trump is sea biscuit? Wasn't there a list on FR about the ridiculous things Trump has been compared to? I bet sea biscuit isn't one of them.
(http://strayhair.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/horses_ass_hairstyle_donald_trump.jpg)
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(http://strayhair.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/horses_ass_hairstyle_donald_trump.jpg)
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I knew something wasn't right about that picture because I was pretty sure the horse had his own opinion of Trump.
(https://swordattheready.files.wordpress.com/2016/06/trumphorsefart.jpg)
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I knew something wasn't right about that picture because I was pretty sure the horse had his own opinion of Trump.
Made my whole day, right there.
:bigsilly:
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I've made a decision.
#NeverTrump.
#NeverHillary.
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Not confronting them. I'm putting them on ignore.
At this stage of the game, if they're still doing conservative pedigree-checks even the Pope couldn't pass today? Then I don't want to know them.
It's not like we have any history among us...compared to, for example, @sinkspur :laugh: I'll never give up on him.
Dude, the Pope is pretty much socialistic. This one, anyway.
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Dude, the Pope is pretty much socialistic. This one, anyway.
Dude, read the conversation. Covered that already. :patriot:
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I just spent time with as strong conservative friend who gave a better analogy.....
Deciding between Hillary and Trump is like having someone ask you which STD you'd rather get.
Easy answer.
Neither. :patriot:
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I just spent time with as strong conservative friend who gave a better analogy.....
Deciding between Hillary and Trump is like having someone ask you which STD you'd rather get.
Easy answer.
Neither. :patriot:
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I just spent time with as strong conservative friend who gave a better analogy.....
Deciding between Hillary and Trump is like having someone ask you which STD you'd rather get.
Easy answer.
Neither. :patriot:
Indeed, neither. But as an analogy, not so good. Some diseases are killers; some are not.
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Indeed, neither. But as an analogy, not so good. Some diseases are killers; some are not.
Fine.
The choice between Hillary or Trump is the equivalent of a choice between being burned at the stake or being boiled in oil.
Both are excruciating and both end in death.
So no thanks to either choice. We pass.
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I just spent time with as strong conservative friend who gave a better analogy.....
Deciding between Hillary and Trump is like having someone ask you which STD you'd rather get.
Easy answer.
Neither. :patriot:
I'd rather get the STD from the young, hot, voluptuous and generously endowed blue-eyed ginger with both low morals and poor judgement, not the skinny wound-up-too-tight women's studies major from Radcliffe.
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Indeed, neither. But as an analogy, not so good. Some diseases are killers; some are not.
As an analogy, it's hilarious.
Whomever we vote for in November in the two main political parties, we will be diseased.
I prefer to stay disease free and vote for neither.
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That's where I'm headed.
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Yes, I'll vote for the man who's willing to crawl over fences to get where he's suppose to be.....
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Yes, I'll vote for the man who's willing to crawl over fences to get where he's suppose to be.....
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Well that qualifies virtually every illegal alien...
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Well that qualifies virtually every illegal alien...
Nah. They aren't supposed to be where they went, or they wouldn't be "illegal".
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Nah. They aren't supposed to be where they went, or they wouldn't be "illegal".
"illegal" is relative term... They're just taking back what is theirs, just ask them...
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Vote for Trump?! :nothappen:
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Yes, I'll vote for the man who's willing to crawl over fences to get where he's suppose to be.....
A rather strange criterion for being the leader of the free world.
I've climbed a fence or two myself. Vote for ME!! I must be qualified too....... **nononono*
(Once Donald Trump gets ahold of a brain, strange things begin to happen to an otherwise logical human being :shrug:).
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That's why I'm voting for someone else--most likely Libertarian. Sure their nominee is kind of a doofus on stage, but he's still better than the other two clowns. I'd say it's like eating the broccoli and leaving the dog turd and rotten fish on the table.