Trumps supporters want a dictator. That much is obvious.
There was absolutely not one good reason for Ted Cruz, or any conservative, to endorse Trump.
Reagan endorsed Ford in 1976 and won Potus in 1980.
Cruz withheld endorsing tonight, and it will no be forgotten. It is a symbol of political judgment.
Reagan endorsed Ford in 1976 and won Potus in 1980.
Cruz withheld endorsing tonight, and it will no be forgotten. It is a symbol of political judgment.
Reagan endorsed Ford in 1976 and won Potus in 1980.
Cruz withheld endorsing tonight, and it will no be forgotten. It is a symbol of political judgment.
Over dramatization in the original article; but....I've watching these prez campaigns for over fify years. I've never, ever seen a candidate from either major party call the names, the slander, the insults Trump has called the other Republican candidates. I was hoping Cruz had the character not to cave, and he didn't disappoint me.
I'm sure Cruz will be okay, even if Trump loses, he will be the figurehead leader a la Romney?
Cruz will do just fine. I'm loyal to the party and not to Cruz or Trump. Trump is the nominee, Cruz has reasons to hold back his endorsement.
Cruz's campaign was not angelic either, they had the mailers, the incident in Iowa with Carson and Cruz was buddy buddy with
@truth_seeker
I may be wrong,but I think this will help him politically in the future. It shows him to be a man of character. Someone that will stick with what they think is right even if it is unpopular at the time.
ANY fool can join a mob.
I supported Cruz and still do not support Trump. I think Cruz should not have shown up in that hall if he was not going to lend more support to the ticket.
I supported Cruz and still would rather see him as the nominee but several months ago, I had the sense both Trump and Cruz were becoming too toxic for the electorate.
Should Trump lose in Nov, the 2020 GOP nominee needs to be a new face.
It was so radical of Ted to say "Vote your conscience. Vote to defend the Constitution." Do the unmentionalbles even know what they were booing?
I supported Cruz and still do not support Trump. I think Cruz should not have shown up in that hall if he was not going to lend more support to the ticket. Maybe he is standing on principle, but what about the principle and honor of signing a pledge and abiding by it because you gave your word?
Only the diehard supporters will think Cruz helped himself tonight.
I supported Cruz and still do not support Trump. I think Cruz should not have shown up in that hall if he was not going to lend more support to the ticket. Maybe he is standing on principle, but what about the principle and honor of signing a pledge and abiding by it because you gave your word?
Only the diehard supporters will think Cruz helped himself tonight.
Reagan endorsed Ford in 1976 and won Potus in 1980.
Cruz withheld endorsing tonight, and it will no be forgotten. It is a symbol of political judgment.
I supported Cruz and still do not support Trump. I think Cruz should not have shown up in that hall if he was not going to lend more support to the ticket. Maybe he is standing on principle, but what about the principle and honor of signing a pledge and abiding by it because you gave your word?
Only the diehard supporters will think Cruz helped himself tonight.
Ted Cruz just made the best political speech I've heard since Reagan's Time for Choosing!
Over dramatization in the original article; but....
I'm sure Cruz will be okay, even if Trump loses, he will be the figurehead leader a la Romney?
Cruz will do just fine. I'm loyal to the party and not to Cruz or Trump. Trump is the nominee, Cruz has reasons to hold back his endorsement.
Cruz's campaign was not angelic either, they had the mailers, the incident in Iowa with Carson and Cruz was buddy buddy with Trump when it suited him.
Twitter @REALDONALDTRUMP
WOW! Ted Cruz got booed off the stage, didn't honor the pledge! I saw his speech two hours early but let him speak anyway, No Big Deal!
Cruz's campaign was not angelic either, they had the mailers, the incident in Iowa with Carson and Cruz was buddy buddy with Trump when it suited him.
If I call your wife a whore will you endorse me for president?
If I call your wife a whore will you endorse me for president?
Reagan endorsed Ford in 1976 and won Potus in 1980.
Cruz withheld endorsing tonight, and it will no be forgotten. It is a symbol of political judgment.
Only the diehard supporters will think Cruz helped himself tonight.
On the donor suite level, people approached Cruz and insulted him, a source told CNN's Dana Bash. One state party chairman reacted so angrily that he had to be restrained.
It's not a matter of Cruz helping himself. He was not self-serving in what he did. He served the principles that make him what he is. Remaining true to his values is more important than positioning himself for a future election.
Good for Senator Ted. He didn't deserve those boos. I pray he's the nominee in 2020.
Did you hear where Heidi Cruz had to have a security detail escort through the building for her safety. To protect her from attendees - not from the protestors outside.
Did you hear where Heidi Cruz had to have a security detail escort through the building for her safety. To protect her from attendees - not from the protestors outside.
I don't know if it is true but I also read that it was trump staff whipping up the boos to turn the scene into an ugly one.
It was so radical of Ted to say "Vote your conscience. Vote to defend the Constitution." Do the unmentionalbles even know what they were booing?
I've watching these prez campaigns for over fify years. I've never, ever seen a candidate from either major party call the names, the slander, the insults Trump has called the other Republican candidates. I was hoping Cruz had the character not to cave, and he didn't disappoint me.
"I was your father's friend, and I'm your friend; and I warn you as a friend, and an honest one that wants to protect you and keep you out of harm and trouble, to turn your backs on that scoundrel and have nothing to do with him, the ignorant tramp, with his idiotic Greek and Hebrew, as he calls it. He is the thinnest kind of an impostor—has come here with a lot of empty names and facts which he picked up somewheres, and you take them for proofs, and are helped to fool yourselves by these foolish friends here, who ought to know better. Mary Jane Wilks, you know me for your friend, and for your unselfish friend, too. Now listen to me; turn this pitiful rascal out—I beg you to do it. Will you?"
Mary Jane straightened herself up, and my, but she was handsome! She says:
"Here is my answer." She hove up the bag of money and put it in the king's hands, and says, "Take this six thousand dollars, and invest for me and my sisters any way you want to, and don't give us no receipt for it."
Then she put her arm around the king on one side, and Susan and the hare-lip done the same on the other. Everybody clapped their hands and stomped on the floor like a perfect storm, whilst the king held up his head and smiled proud. The doctor says:
"All right; I wash my hands of the matter. But I warn you all that a time's coming when you're going to feel sick whenever you think of this day." And away he went.
Trump and his people approve the speech. Then, some in the Trump team encourage some in the crowd, especially the New York people to boo and chant "Endorse Trump".
Cruz is trying to be a statesman and Trump is trying to put on a show!
I supported Cruz and still do not support Trump. I think Cruz should not have shown up in that hall if he was not going to lend more support to the ticket. Maybe he is standing on principle, but what about the principle and honor of signing a pledge and abiding by it because you gave your word?
Only the diehard supporters will think Cruz helped himself tonight.
To: Mariner
He’s working for Hillary.
2 posted on 7/20/2016, 7:13:20 PM by JPJones ( You can't help the working class by paying the non-working class.)
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To: Mariner
I supported Cruz monetarily. Tonight he is dead to me. Tonight was his chance to help bring the party together to defeat Hillary but no. He, the Bushes and every other Never Trump people are all dead to me. I can’t and won’t even imagine a Clinton presidency.
12 posted on 7/20/2016, 7:17:03 PM by Edison (I don't know what irks me more, the lying or the incompetence.)
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o: Mariner
Ted, Ted, Ted. What were you thinking? You have forced me to change my Tagline.
25 posted on 7/20/2016, 7:19:04 PM by InterceptPoint (Ted, you should have endorsed. Big mistake.)
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To: Mariner
Ted Cruz is a foreign plant... I am repulsed this man collects a paycheck from we the people. Texans you ought to be ashamed...
31 posted on 7/20/2016, 7:19:58 PM by Just mythoughts (Jesus said Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: Mariner
Go to Hell, Ted, you dishonest, dishonorable scumbag.
35 posted on 7/20/2016, 7:20:56 PM by chris37 (heartless)
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Cruz spoke a lot about freedom.
Oh that's one of Ted's favorite tricks:
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45 posted on 7/20/2016, 7:23:17 PM by mkjessup (Cruz is an oily crap weasel who sold out to the GOPe and his deluded cultists need to wake-TF up.)
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I wonder how the really dedicated Cruz fans feel about his behavior tonight.
This cruz basta*rd needs to depart Cleveland immediately and get on back to his whores.
46 posted on 7/20/2016, 7:23:33 PM by Mr Apple ( ted cruz and his whores.....just like ole times)
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To: Mariner
Why was this filthy slimebag even allowed in the convention center, let alone allowed to speak!
68 posted on 7/20/2016, 7:27:38 PM by Mr Apple ( TED CRUZ AND HIS WHORES....JUST LIKE 'OLE TIMES)
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To: Edison
I did too. I am baffled. Thought he was a Reagan conservative, where is he now? I am doubting he is even a Christian. “You shall know them by their works.” Ted, why, why did you do this?
97 posted on 7/20/2016, 7:32:09 PM by Fungi (Make America America again.)
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To: Mariner
Cruz supporters for Hillary & Socialist Dictatorship!
Go Hillary Go! Go Socialist Dictatorship!
Cruz gets paid!
(brought to you by Cruz for Socialist Dictatorship)
118 posted on 7/20/2016, 7:34:39 PM by TheNext (Hillary Hurts Children & Women)
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I actually feel sorry for [Heidi Cruz] as she is not a well person. Having a spiritual and social disease like that as a husband, I can understand why she went off the rails.
149 posted on 7/20/2016, 7:40:39 PM by Psalm 144 (We are at that point, where we stand with Leonidas, or slither with Ephialtes.)
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If I call your wife a whore will you endorse me for president?
He told voters to vote for candidates up an down the ticket who will support freedom and defend the constitution.
That's demonic.No that's demoncratish, and their all played by their little god who knew well in advance exactly what Cruz was andwas not going to say. Trump makes the obamas and clintons look like amateurs in the vindictive and character assassination departments.
With Trump, that's an insult by inference. And "vote your conscience," if taken at face value, hardly does anything for Trump, at least amongst voters with consciences to vote.
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A few jewels from That Site Which Shall Not Be Named . . .
He told voters to vote for candidates up an down the ticket who will support freedom and defend the constitution.
It is now clear to me that the purpose of this entire RNC campaign is to defeat Conservatism. Working to defeat Democrats is an afterthought. Working to defeat liberalism is a non-starter. We have truly met Orwell's 1984. Hate Week is upon us.
Ted is a complete ass hole and the majority at the convention think so. He is so dead in the party he really played it wrong by not honoring his pledge. He is a jerk and to think I once liked him never again though.
They all backed out March 30, even your Orange Slanderer. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/03/30/trump-rescinds-pledge-to-back-republican-nominee-cruz-kasich-refuse-to-commit-support.html
He is so dead in the party he really played it wrong by not honoring his pledge. He is a jerk and to think I once liked him never again though.
Ted is a complete ass hole
Trump was supposed to be anti-establishment but now his supporters hate anti-establishment types. Weird, huh?
Called him lying Ted one too many times.
Exactly.
Words have consequences.
Actions have consequences.
After you've gotten over your temper and sobered up...you can't un-burn-down your neighbor's barn.
This is indicative of, and symbolic of, the chaos that the new Republican Hero, a Tammany graft-channeler and interface between the Democrat Machine and out-of-town developers...this is indicative of the chaos to come.
It will not end well - and I take no joy in this.
Me either. Trump has pretty much guaranteed the election of Hillary Clinton and deeply divided the Republican Party (which I suspect was his game plan all along). The GOP may lose in another 2008 like massive landslide.
The fact that so many Trumpquats would react to "Vote Your Conscience" like a vampire to a cross tells me they already know Trump is a scumbag.
Me either. Trump has pretty much guaranteed the election of Hillary Clinton and deeply divided the Republican Party (which I suspect was his game plan all along). The GOP may lose in another 2008 like massive landslide.
It's the response of a cultist.
I'm waiting for God the Donald to give me reasons. They don't seem forthcoming.
I believe the orange New York liberal is in it to help Hillary win. And will with assistance from his horde of gullible followers he will accomplish that goal.
and some of have thought so since day one, so far there is nothing that says otherwise
And let me add that in the past few days all I've seen from the Trump side of things is a rather determined attempt to further divide the party.
Reagan endorsed Ford in 1976 and won Potus in 1980.
Cruz withheld endorsing tonight, and it will no be forgotten. It is a symbol of political judgment.
OK, let me see if I got this. For months on end, Donald Trump labels the honorable Ted Cruz as 'Lying Ted', but then after he crossed the threshold for the nomination, Trump openly admits that he has no idea whether Cruz lied or not. Yet Cruz is the bleep?
You have some whacked out standards there.
If I call your wife a whore will you endorse me for president?
Reagan endorsed Ford in 1976 and won Potus in 1980.Ford didn't attack Nancy. Ford didn't attack Reagans dad. Ford didn't call Reagan a liar throughout the campaign. Need I go on?
Cruz withheld endorsing tonight, and it will no be forgotten. It is a symbol of political judgment.
Ford didn't attack Nancy. Ford didn't attack Reagans dad. Ford didn't call Reagan a liar throughout the campaign. Need I go on?(http://drrichswier.com/wp-content/uploads/trump-cruz-thumbs-up-630x354.jpg)
Cruz kept it about the Constitution, freedom, and America. He set the bar for the Donny to jump over, but didn't get personal.
He congratulated Trump on his victory right at the start, which was more than Trump deserved, imho, and if he had endorsed him, well, he'd have just joined all the GOPe suckbutts who lined up to kiss the Donald's whatever he is bleeding out of because Cruz didn't endorse him.
Cruz campaign did that to Ben Carson, the mailers that looked like official business telling people they had not been voting with names on it. Got loans from Goldman Sachs.
One can have loyalty to the party, I've supported Romney and McCain but didn't vote for them in the primary.
(http://i.imgur.com/NIDMFnm.png)New to politics?
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Cruz wasn't a expletive deleted?? Good one.
He was buddy buddy with Trump for the longest time though Trump is said to be liberal, Cruz allowed the perception the two were very similar.
Cruz talked about all those things, I've heard it on Rush Limbaugh for 25 years.
Posting that picture as evidence is moronic. Shall I post the pictures of Trump being "buddy buddy" with the Clintons??? As wedding guests? Playing golf with Bill repeatedly? And how about the hundreds of thousands of dollars he's given the Clintons to further Bill and Hillary's evil causes. Those are facts and actual deeds done by your guy and provide a very specific "perception" to anyone who is honest about it.
Reagan endorsed Ford in 1976 and won Potus in 1980.
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Oh, yes, Cruz really stood up against Trump.
One can say Cruz doesn't even compare to Mike Pence per an accomplished career and following the constitution at that.
If posting it is moronic it must appeal to the bullying cry baby Cruz dis-loyalists. Sure, post whatever one wants. Everyone has seen them.
Again, I'm loyal to the party, if the 25% of Cruz red meat supporters and I'm one myself can ever stay away from false remarks, I'd call it a personal attack since it is a lie to say "my guy". I've had it with Anti-Romneyites and Anti-Trumpites.
One can say Cruz doesn't even compare to Mike Pence per an accomplished career and following the constitution at that.
I'd call it a personal attack since it is a lie to say "my guy".
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Cruz wasn't a expletive deleted?? Good one. He was one from the beginning.
He was buddy buddy with Trump for the longest time though Trump is said to be liberal, Cruz allowed the perception the two were very similar.
As long as we're posting pics . . .
No.. he did not. Reagan calle for unity, but did not endorse Ford.
There was no more endorsement of Ford in Reagan's speech than there was of Trump in Cruz' remarks last night.
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Ted Cruz showed as much class as Reagan did in 1976. I give it a month before Trump supporters begin bashing Reagan just to defend Trump.
Never Trump, now more than ever
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/438092/republican-convention-why-never-trump-movement-still-matters
Post all one wants, ad hom Cruz rabid dogs are doing so all day, using languages like "suck ass" though Cruz was out on the campaign trail with Trump; I didn't see the Clintons on the campaign trail with Trump. Cruz associated with Trump so at the least, this seems to say Cruz has bad judgement too, in such manners. Yes, there is a difference.
It's circular really, Cruz worked for the Bushes, Bushes are Clintons friends, in fact, they called them family.
I think the arguments should be balanced.
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Cruz wasn't a expletive deleted?? Good one. He was one from the beginning.
He was buddy buddy with Trump for the longest time though Trump is said to be liberal, Cruz allowed the perception the two were very similar.
Cruz talked about all those things, I've heard it on Rush Limbaugh for 25 years.
Balance this argument: Ted Cruz would never go on a Sunday talk show and praise Hillary Clinton, nor would he donate to her campaign. And sure as hell she would never be invite to his wedding.Actually he did via his law firm that hes a senior partner at.
Ted is a complete ass hole and the majority at the convention think so. He is so dead in the party he really played it wrong by not honoring his pledge. He is a jerk and to think I once liked him never again though.
It was so radical of Ted to say "Vote your conscience. Vote to defend the Constitution." Do the unmentionalbles even know what they were booing?
Since when did "Vote your conscience" become an anti-Trump dog whistle?Since the speech Cruz gave the convention said he was going to say "we must support the Trump-Pence ticket"
If you take Cruz saying 'vote your values' as not endorsing Trump - you admit Trump does not follow your values.Indeed.
Indeed.
For American conservatives who believe in Judeo-Christian values, Free Market Capitalism and Classical Liberalism, the 2016 election is already lost.Read the rest at Daily Wire (http://www.dailywire.com/news/7639/conservatives-2016-election-already-lost-jeremy-boreing?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_content=062316-news&utm_campaign=benshapiro).
On the one hand, we have the Democrat candidate, Hillary Clinton, who is perhaps the most corrupt figure ever to seek the presidency. ...
On the other hand, we have as the Republican nominee one of Mrs. Clinton’s financial supporters – has that ever happened before? – a man who actually sought Mrs. Clinton’s husband’s advice about whether or not to run in the first place (and received a positive recommendation, by the way). Like Mrs. Clinton, Donald Trump is a serial liar and self-promoter but with the added benefit of being a litigious, boorish vulgarian who boasts about bedding married women, plays footsies with overt racists, praises dictators, promotes conspiracy theories, suggests that Ted Cruz’s father may have plotted to assassinate John F. Kennedy and echoes the worst slander of George Soros that “Bush lied; people died.”
To the extent that he has any ideological motive beneath his soaring self-regard, it is too obscure to make out, but all signs point to so decidedly a European right-wing (read, nationalist left-wing) bent that it all but ensures the final destruction of what remains of our constitutional republic in favor of an authoritarian state.
While Mr. Trump may have some utility in the fight against political correctness, actual correctness has also been a casualty of his campaign. ...
Since when did "Vote your conscience" become an anti-Trump dog whistle?
For Conservatives, the 2016 Election is Already Lost
............... defeating Hillary is the ultimate goal..........
@truth_seeker
I may be wrong,but I think this will help him politically in the future. It shows him to be a man of character. Someone that will stick with what they think is right even if it is unpopular at the time.
ANY fool can join a mob.
I once had a whole bag full of 'Nixon Now, More than Ever' buttons. Wish I still had them. They would make great backdrops for 'Never Trump'.I have been wearing one of those on my hat since the primaries started!
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Post all one wants, ad hom Cruz rabid dogs are doing so all day, using languages like "suck ass" though Cruz was out on the campaign trail with Trump; I didn't see the Clintons on the campaign trail with Trump. Cruz associated with Trump so at the least, this seems to say Cruz has bad judgement too, in such manners. Yes, there is a difference.You can't even get a simple quote right. I said "suckbutt" implying ass kisser. I did not say "suck ass" Get it right or go home, troll.
It had nothing to do with "joining a mob". It proves, yet again, Ted Cruz is incapable of being a team player, of fighting for a greater good outside his personal ambitions---and everything he has done this year, including last night, is about him--first, last and always.
The people have proven they can embrace someone who has lost an election, but not a sore loser. Last night Cruz proved he's the loser whose self-interest is above the country's in such a deliberate and obvious way at the moment we are fighting for our survival.
If the Republicans lose in November, he now carries the stain. If the Republicans win in November, he will be marginalized even more than he is now. The reported smartest man in the room has proved he is not.
That is what upset the Trumpquats, Those are the very things they hate the most.
Ted is a complete ass hole and the majority at the convention think so. He is so dead in the party he really played it wrong by not honoring his pledge. He is a jerk and to think I once liked him never again though.
The fact that so many Trumpquats would react to "Vote Your Conscience" like a vampire to a cross tells me they already know Trump is a scumbag.
Cruz didn't urge anyone not to vote for Trump. He made clear in stark terms the stakes this election, and urged all who were listening to get out and vote in November, up and down the ticket. And Cruz unequivocally endorsed Trump's major themes of keeping dangerous immigrants out and building "the wall".
Over dramatization in the original article; but....
I'm sure Cruz will be okay, even if Trump loses, he will be the figurehead leader a la Romney?
Cruz will do just fine. I'm loyal to the party and not to Cruz or Trump. Trump is the nominee, Cruz has reasons to hold back his endorsement.
Cruz's campaign was not angelic either, they had the mailers, the incident in Iowa with Carson and Cruz was buddy buddy with Trump when it suited him.
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Reagan did not endorse Ford in 1976 unless you hire a very liberal interpreter.
"Vote your conscience" is as close as Ted could have come without compromising his principles.
Ted Cruz and John Kasich said - on stage in front of millions - that they would endorse Donald Trump if he was the nominee.
They are liars, pure and simple.
IIRC the promise was to 'support' the nominee not, to actually 'endorse' them. [so there's that]
I've lost a lot of respect for the candidate I voted for in the primary. IMO, he screwed the pooch.
The Trump campaign approved the speech, then planned the boos.
He had no obligation to endorse Trump. That pledge was stupid and anybody who thinks Trump would have supported it is smoking something. Everybody KNEW Cruz wasn't going to endorse, so all this angst is really funny to me.
I think Cruz did help himself. And Trump won't be able to resist trashing Cruz tomorrow night, which is exactly the reaction Cruz likely wants.
Tell us about your existence, Geron? Let's make a judgement on whether you're white trash or not.Actually, one doesn't have to be white trash to know it when one sees it. As a rule, the more real class one has, the more obvious it is. Being white trash has nothing to do with money, although we used to call the moneyed white trash 'nouveau riche'.
Remember; it takes one to know one.
Come on, don't be shy.
Nah. If Trump loses, Cruz will look like the guy who took the keys away from a drunk driver.
If posting it is moronic it must appeal to the bullying cry baby Cruz dis-loyalists. Sure, post whatever one wants. Everyone has seen them.
@TomSea
Again, I'm loyal to the party,..
If that's how you want to play it, then go on, lose your damn election. You'd rather lose, wouldn't you?If they lose, and they will, they will blame those of us they have attacked right along with the candidate they attacked. They won't own the demise of the party they will have badgered others out of, they will not take the credit for its destruction, because it is not in their nature to admit getting anything wrong. Just like having to dig for the information on their candidate's business dealings which have had less than stellar outcomes, they will bury their failures behind a wall of finger pointing and fury.
Cruz gave a terrific speech about what animates conservatives, making clear the stakes, and urging everyone to vote.
But you'd rather defend your Donald's precious ego. Use your head for something other than a hatrack. Cruz's speech can and should have unified the party - but the Trumpsters just won't let it.
Go on the Trumpster live thread from yesterday if you don't believe me. The Trumpsters were loving Cruz's speech - he didn't say ONE CRITICAL WORD about the nominee - but then the posts changed on a dime when it became clear that Cruz wouldn't do the one little act of fealty you all insisted on. He said Vote your Conscience, not Vote for Trump.
Trump's supporters are fools. All they've got is their anger, and even in victory they won't let it go.
Actually, one doesn't have to be white trash to know it when one sees it. As a rule, the more real class one has, the more obvious it is. Being white trash has nothing to do with money, although we used to call the moneyed white trash 'nouveau riche'.
In the neverTrump, pro-Hillary faction of the party...sure it will.Equating nevertrump with pro Hillary has been so seriously debunked around here, so often, I feel quite comfortable in calling you a LIAR. That you persist in posting it makes you a TROLL as well.
If that's how you want to play it, then go on, lose your damn election. You'd rather lose, wouldn't you?
Trumpquats are the sorest "winners" in history.
Their candidate is a liar without equal
He flip flops on every issue
He has NO principles
He is friends and pals with the Clintons
So bitter, so envious of those who have real conservative principles
I would save that title for the Clinton but, I wouldn't want to offend their supporters. :whistle:
Do not engage in namecalling, please. No more "stupid" or "white trash" remarks directed at other posters.How is the term "white trash" not a racist term?
Back on topic...
Cruz' speech of last night will grow larger over time. It will not diminish him.
I would save that title for the Clinton but, I wouldn't want to offend their supporters. :whistle:Once again you are implying that those who do not support Trump are Clinton supporters.
Equating nevertrump with pro Hillary has been so seriously debunked around here, so often, I feel quite comfortable in calling you a LIAR. That you persist in posting it makes you a TROLL as well.
Have a nice day.
Once again you are implying that those who do not support Trump are Clinton supporters.
By virtue of supporting Trump his supporters have guaranteed that Clinton will, barring divine intervention or unforseen circumstance, be the next POTUS.
I would simply state that by doing so, you are the real Clinton supporters. You have set her up for victory.
If you don't like that characterization, quit equating nevertrump with pro-Hillary. Otherwise, you may see it a lot.
@geronl
He sees lying as an acceptable business tactic,and a useful tool in life. He has NO morals whatsoever because he is a narcissistic sociopath which means that EVERYTHING he does is honorable and above board because it benefits HIM. This whole thing is nothing more than one YUGE ego trip for somebody who thought the world only existed to please him to start with.
Just wait until he decides the time is right to drop out late in the race and spend the rest of his life bragging about how "I COULD have been the President of the United States if I had wanted,but I decided to drop out because the job was beneath me."
How is the term "white trash" not a racist term?If you are white, "white trash" isn't racist. Just like if you are black, you can say "ni**er". Culturally, the two stations in life were considered equivalent at one time. Respectable blacks used the equivalent term to describe those of low character within their racial subset, just as whites used "white trash".
Back on topic...
Cruz' speech of last night will grow larger over time. It will not diminish him.
Cruz emerges with his integrity intact. Trump clearly does not want Ted's endorsement because that would require apologizing for his outrageous attacks in the primary.
Cruz gave a terrific speech about what animates conservatives, making clear the stakes, and urging everyone to vote.
Use your head for something other than a hatrack.
I'm not 'implying' anything. I'm telling you straight to your face.I'm for the Constitution Party candidate, Castle.
You have a warped sense of reality or a bad case of CYA.
It's all about damage control at this point with the hope that what remains of the republic survives until January 2021.
At least Kasich didn't show up at all, which is a more honorable stance. Cruz showing up and then NOT supporting Trump was like showing up at a party, and then spitting on the cake.
Clinton supporters?
You mean like the entire registered democRAT Trump family?
so there was a 'but' or 'depending on' or 'only if' at the end of his pledge? funny, I don't hear it here....
It had nothing to do with "joining a mob". It proves, yet again, Ted Cruz is incapable of being a team player, of fighting for a greater good outside his personal ambitions---and everything he has done this year, including last night, is about him--first, last and always.
The people have proven they can embrace someone who has lost an election, but not a sore loser. Last night Cruz proved he's the loser whose self-interest is above the country's in such a deliberate and obvious way at the moment we are fighting for our survival.
Just how freaking delusional are you,anyway? WHEN the alleged Republicans lose in November it will be because you supported the Orange Loser with tiny hands that is owned by the same bankers that own the Clintons,and because people like you swallowed the bait,hook,line,and sinker.
In my experience, if I am trying to restore a failed relationship, my first move is to own my part of the failure. "I was wrong" opens the door to reconciliation.
Yeah, you sure must want to lose.
Called him lying Ted one too many times.
Sarah Palin says that Cruz's speech was "career ending" and that people shouldn't support candidates who don't tell the truth.
SARAH PALIN said this!
LOLOLOL *deep breath* LOLLLLL
Back on topic...
Cruz' speech of last night will grow larger over time. It will not diminish him.
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It was Ted's place to own it.....he didn't.
Cruz emerges with his integrity intact. Trump clearly does not want Ted's endorsement because that would require apologizing for his outrageous attacks in the primary.
I'm voting for the candidate, so its not on me if the votes arent there....
:bsflag: :bs: :bsflag: :bs::bsflag:It's those darned New York Values, again. Miss Ogeny, paging Miss Ogeny, come to the bruised courtesy phone...
Politically brilliant move
Once Trump is exposed as the fraud that he is, Ted Cruz will come out like a hero.
I can't help that the TV punditry is so short sided, and collectively stupid.
And to those NY delegate thugs who threatened MS. Cruz...... FU
I must be a die hard Cruz supporter then, because tonight I heard someone who actually speaks for me.
BTW Trump himself backed out of the pledge deal on 3/30/16 on CNN. So can we dispense with that particular untruth, at least?
Problem is that most in the auditorium last night didn't see it that way, which is why he's trying to explain himself this morning to the Texas delegation. When you have to explain what you just said, you have problems. It wouldn't have taken much to ask for unity against Hillary, but he just couldn't do that. It hasn't ended his political career, just made his job much tougher.
I supported Cruz and still do not support Trump. I think Cruz should not have shown up in that hall if he was not going to lend more support to the ticket.
Maybe he is standing on principle, but what about the principle and honor of signing a pledge and abiding by it because you gave your word?
so there was a 'but' or 'depending on' or 'only if' at the end of his pledge? funny, I don't hear it here....
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/07/flashback-ted-cruz-promises-national-tv-endorse-donald-trump-video/
I'm voting for the candidate, so its not on me if the votes arent there....
Respectfully, RIV, that's ridiculous. Cruz didn't urge anyone not to vote for Trump. He made clear in stark terms the stakes this election, and urged all who were listening to get out and vote in November, up and down the ticket. And Cruz unequivocally endorsed Trump's major themes of keeping dangerous immigrants out and building "the wall".
As much as you'd like to think it so, it is no diss of Trump or anyone else to urge all Americans to vote their consciences. You're voting your conscience, aren't you? Why shouldn't we all?
You can't dismiss the reality that Trump treated Cruz and his family very badly during the primaries. Cruz did everything a reasonable man could be expected to do in his speech - he spoke not one bad word about the Republican nominee, and made exactly the kind of pitch - a passionate apologia for liberty- centric and opportunity-centric government - that can and will unify the party, if only the Trumpsters will let it .
The Trumpsters who booed Cruz are fools, but perhaps Trump himself is not. He should be MAGNANIMOUS in victory tonight, and should specifically thank Cruz for articulating so well the values that animate the Republican party. He should even consider recognizing the bad blood between them, and apologize for dissing Cruz's wife and dad. If he does that, he'll likely unify the party. If he doesn't, and proves yet again that it's all about him, then Hillary can start measuring the drapes.
Own what? Cruz was the TARGET of Trump's smears. Trump never apologized for maligning Cruz's wife, his father, and Cruz himself.
Ted Cruz and John Kasich said - on stage in front of millions - that they would endorse Donald Trump if he was the nominee.
They are liars, pure and simple.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/07/flashback-ted-cruz-promises-national-tv-endorse-donald-trump-video/
Makes him look like a sore loser - which is a pretty childish stance to take in politics.
Wow, Ted Cruz got booed off the stage, didn't honor the pledge! I saw his speech two hours early but let him speak anyway. No big deal!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) July 21, 2016
Not exactly 'approved'
the GOP convention is not just nominating the President. There are a lot of other items being decided such as party platform, etc. Do you believe the party should lockstep in just one direction? this is not a dictatorship.
Did Ted reverse himself since March when he said he would not necessarily support GOP nominee? http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/29/politics/donald-trump-ted-cruz-nominee-pledge/
I would like to see you source if he did.
Own what? Cruz was the TARGET of Trump's smears. Trump never apologized for maligning Cruz's wife, his father, and Cruz himself.
Cruz took a risk, but it will pay off for him big time when Trump loses. He'll be the guy who took the keys away from a drunk.
Cruzpac started it with the picture of Melania.....meant to hurt Trump in Utah with the Mormons.
If they lose, and they will, they will blame those of us they have attacked right along with the candidate they attacked.I think you have hit the nail on the head here. If Trump wins, Cruz and Kasich's presidential chances are over forever and their chances for other high office are diminished. If Trump loses, Cruz and Kasich will be blamed and the result will be the same.
In the neverTrump, pro-Hillary faction of the party...sure it will.
No, it's on you and the other Trumpsters who want no reconciliation with those of us who voted for Cruz or Kasich.
What is wrong with a message to Vote your Conscience? Have you forgotten you have one?
Ted is a complete ass hole and the majority at the convention think so. He is so dead in the party he really played it wrong by not honoring his pledge. He is a jerk and to think I once liked him never again though.
@truth_seeker
ANY fool can join a mob.
If the Republicans lose in November, he now carries the stain. If the Republicans win in November, he will be marginalized even more than he is now. The reported smartest man in the room has proved he is not.
Cruzpac started it with the picture of Melania.....meant to hurt Trump in Utah with the Mormons.
Cruzpac started it with the picture of Melania.....meant to hurt Trump in Utah with the Mormons.Where did that PAC get the picture? Think about that, while you also consider that when that story broke, Cruz said "that's not one of ours" referring to the ad.
Ted had a chance to show some class and do what he pledged to do from the beginning. I suspect that he and Kasich have ruined their future chances in presidential politics. A whole lot of Republicans will remember this in four or eight years.
The only way this works out for either of them is if Trump does something so stupid that most of his supporters turn away from him and admit they were wrong from the beginning.
@oldmomster
LOTS of people stood up on stages back in the 1930's and said they would support Hitler,too. Do you damn any of them for realizing they had made a mistake and backing away from it later?
If you take Cruz saying 'vote your values' as not endorsing Trump - you admit Trump does not follow your values.Right there, that says it all.
The Trumpanzees have vilified Cruz to the point he will be frozen by his party leading to him abandoning the Republican party and becoming an independent leading a truly constitutionaly conservative party in 2020. The number of supporters leaving the republican party would leave it just a shell of itself. It is beyond saving at this point, even more so after being decimated by Hilary in November.
Of course, donnie, his kids as well as his Trumpanzees will blame anybody else for their moronic failures.
This is just about a perfectly-stated post in all respects.
Maybe a Trump supporter can explain something.
Cruz didn't say a single negative word about Trump.
In fact, he opened his speech with a congratulatory message to him.
Cruz encouraged people to vote their consciences, up and down the ticket.
What are y'all so mad about?
Listening this morning and now to Cruz speaking with the Texas Delegation...answering questions...it's no surprise Cruz continues to take his stand......very interesting listen this morning......
It's been said Cruz has hy-jacked the Convention since last night and throughout today thus far.....intentional or not....he has the media attention.
Maybe a Trump supporter can explain something.
Cruz didn't say a single negative word about Trump.
In fact, he opened his speech with a congratulatory message to him.
Cruz encouraged people to vote their consciences, up and down the ticket.
What are y'all so mad about?
So you are saying that a Donald Trump loss means Ted Cruz is at fault, not Donald Trump?
Do you even realize how stupid that comment is?
No one should be supporting anyone who insults you, your wife, and your father. It would be a pretty poor character for one to do that.
Because bullies attack until they are smacked hard enough they have to back down.
I hope a constitutional conservative DOES get a conservative party going - clearly the republicans are NOT serving us.
The next time you call Trump supporters Trumpanzees, I'll report you.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/07/flashback-ted-cruz-promises-national-tv-endorse-donald-trump-video/
Guess its the fact that repub party twisted themselves into pretzels insinuating that Trump would not support the party if another candidate won. Turns out its the OTHER guys who are not keeping their word.
People don't need to be told to vote their conscience - they do it anyway. The delegates who tried to invalidate the votes of the citizens claimed they needed to vote their conscience instead of vote outcomes. Maybe people are just tired of the games and the hair-splitting.
A pledge is a pledge.
Maybe a Trump supporter can explain something.
What are y'all so mad about?
A pledge is a pledge.
When asked if he would keep the pledge he signed last September, Trump responded "No, I won’t." The real estate mogul explained that he was taking back the pledge because, "I have been treated very unfairly," and listed the Republican National Committee and party establishment among those he believes have wronged him.
I'm not so sure all supporters of Trump are mad.......rather they are disappointed that Cruz had the opportunity to unite the party and many wanted to hear that directly.....instead Cruz rode the edge of the party divisions by not endorsing Trump.......and with that continues to "campaign" and set the "standards" of what he has determined are the touch stones for voting. throughout this morning in speaking with the Texan Delegates and answering their questions......
So it's understandable certainly that some are angry.......they aren't looking to 2020 but to this very election.
NY Chris Collins bashing Cruz as a "self-absorbed narcissist" even after lyin' Don was so generous to allow him to speak. He is one angry RINO. Trumpism is a mental disorder just as Obamism was in 2008.
He admits that Trump knew the content of the speech. They really have trouble with the principled conservative and vote your conscience thing.
Maybe a Trump supporter can explain something.
Cruz didn't say a single negative word about Trump.
In fact, he opened his speech with a congratulatory message to him.
Cruz encouraged people to vote their consciences, up and down the ticket.
What are y'all so mad about?
@oldmomster
You need to change your screen name to either "Snitch" or "Net Nanny". Either would be appropriate.
Cruz was the epitome of class. He enunciated conservative principles and told everyone to go out and vote their conscience. This was no anti-Trump tirade. Nobody has been more outspoken about the right and freedom of conscience throughout this campaign than Cruz. This is not some new thing with him. That shows integrity and adherence to principle.
Trump already has by siding with Erdogan and putting conditions on the NATO alliance, undercutting his own running mate.
A pledge is a pledge.
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Aha! You have proved Godwin's law once again. You lose the argument.
@Poser
Ah,HAH! You are someone who confuses a brain fart designed to deflect an uncomfortable truth with wisdom!
Give thinking a chance.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/07/flashback-ted-cruz-promises-national-tv-endorse-donald-trump-video/
Guess its the fact that repub party twisted themselves into pretzels insinuating that Trump would not support the party if another candidate won. Turns out its the OTHER guys who are not keeping their word.
People don't need to be told to vote their conscience - they do it anyway. The delegates who tried to invalidate the votes of the citizens claimed they needed to vote their conscience instead of vote outcomes. Maybe people are just tired of the games and the hair-splitting.
A pledge is a pledge.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/07/flashback-ted-cruz-promises-national-tv-endorse-donald-trump-video/
Guess its the fact that repub party twisted themselves into pretzels insinuating that Trump would not support the party if another candidate won. Turns out its the OTHER guys who are not keeping their word.
People don't need to be told to vote their conscience - they do it anyway. The delegates who tried to invalidate the votes of the citizens claimed they needed to vote their conscience instead of vote outcomes. Maybe people are just tired of the games and the hair-splitting.
A pledge is a pledge.
I'm not so sure all supporters of Trump are mad.......rather they are disappointed that Cruz had the opportunity to unite the party and many wanted to hear that directly.
The smart thing would have been to urge others to vote strait R or say nothing at all. In my opinion, Cruz and Kasich have both ended their presidential chances forever.
If you love our country, and love our children as much as you do, stand, and speak, and vote your conscience, vote for candidates up and down the ticket who you trust to defend our freedom, and to be faithful to the constitution.
Kasich made the same mistake.
Called him lying Ted one too many times.
It had nothing to do with "joining a mob". It proves, yet again, Ted Cruz is incapable of being a team player, of fighting for a greater good outside his personal ambitions---and everything he has done this year, including last night, is about him--first, last and always.
The people have proven they can embrace someone who has lost an election, but not a sore loser. Last night Cruz proved he's the loser whose self-interest is above the country's in such a deliberate and obvious way at the moment we are fighting for our survival.
If the Republicans lose in November, he now carries the stain. If the Republicans win in November, he will be marginalized even more than he is now. The reported smartest man in the room has proved he is not.
Cruz showed last night that he won't bow his knee to Trump, and there's not a damn thing any of them can do about it.
Jeers and Boos: Transcript of Ted Cruz's Speech
http://www.rollcall.com/news/politics/transcript-ted-cruz-convention-speech
In your opinion, which Republicans do you not trust to defend our freedom and not be faithful to the constitution?
Well, you wouldn't answer my earlier question, which was this: if someone attacked your husband and your father, would you be a disloyal doormat and keep a "pledge" made to that person? I guess we're to assume you would.
Yes, in some respects he did that......but more so he's still campaigning and attempting to set the standards by which people should vote......and continued so this morning with the Texas Delegates meeting.
Interesting too that he took the limelight away from Pence.....deliberate or not, and this with 'the media' once again determining Cruz's "decision" would be an either or highlight to the Convention.
Pence got upstaged by Cruz....and has also upstaged, at least this morning, Trumps big night tonight.
Cruzpac started it with the Melania photo. whether or not Ted knew about it beforehand is irrelevant, since it seems to be popular to blame ALL the actions of the supporters on their candidate.
The Cruz campaign was not without some sins itself - and is expected (NOT supported by me) in politics. But at the end of the day, if you are a member of a party, you are expected to support the eventual winner to bring the party together, NOT fracture it some more.
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2016/02/03/donald-trump-ted-cruz/
Cruz was a true statesman last night. Booing Cruz who said to vote your conscience, fight for freedom and the Constitution was revealing of how low the Republicans have sunk.
I find it very odd that so much attention in the Trump campaign is on his children. NY Chris Collins was pointing to them as the reason to elect Trump- when has this ever happened in the history of presidential politics?
I think you have hit the nail on the head here. If Trump wins, Cruz and Kasich's presidential chances are over forever and their chances for other high office are diminished. If Trump loses, Cruz and Kasich will be blamed and the result will be the same.While we agree on the first part, if Trump wins it will be because of two factors. Hillary is about the sleaziest and most patently unlikable criminal to run for public office since Marion Barry, and it will be a sad commentary on a hopefully conflicted electorate as well.
The smart thing would have been to urge others to vote strait R or say nothing at all. In my opinion, Cruz and Kasich have both ended their presidential chances forever.
Ted is a complete ass hole and the majority at the convention think so. He is so dead in the party he really played it wrong by not honoring his pledge. He is a jerk and to think I once liked him never again though.
Kasich at least did not go out in front of the crowd and try to exploit the opportunity of the national media spotlight to promote himself. This was Cruz at his elf-serving worst. I was a Cruz supporter and have yet to support Trump. But I am intentionally not trying to rain on the Trump parade, as Cruz has done.
The hypocrisy of Trump worshipers staggers me.
I'll give it a shot. I was a Cruz supporter and now support Trump.
To me it's about class and manners. Cruz had several choices including endorsement and not speaking. Since he is a Republican, he should not have attended the convention and should have kept his mouth shut if he couldn't have supported the candidate. Since he chose to speak (at great length), he should have supported the candidate.
Speaking and not supporting his party's candidate at the nationally televised convention is a clear snub and obvious non-support of the candidate. Saying "he did not, not support the candidate" is ridiculous. Publicly not stating your support of the party's candidate at the convention is classless. I will not support Cruz the next time around.
Kasich made the same mistake. I wouldn't have ever supported him in any case because he's a closet liberal (IMHO of course).
I hope that helps.
olemomster - I think Trumpanzee is rather fitting. You don't?
Many. Let me start with Lindsay Graham, Paul Ryan and John Roberts.
Trump rescinds pledge to back Republican nominee; Cruz, Kasich refuse to commit support
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/03/30/trump-rescinds-pledge-to-back-republican-nominee-cruz-kasich-refuse-to-commit-support.html
March 30, 2016
olemomster - I think Trumpanzee is rather fitting. You don't?
As ugly as that was, I think when you insult and lie about a man's wife and family there is no going back.
I respect Sen Cruz now more than ever.
Posting that picture as evidence is moronic. Shall I post the pictures of Trump being "buddy buddy" with the Clintons??? As wedding guests? Playing golf with Bill repeatedly? And how about the hundreds of thousands of dollars he's given the Clintons to further Bill and Hillary's evil causes. Those are facts and actual deeds done by your guy and provide a very specific "perception" to anyone who is honest about it.
..... Cruz was grandstanding and tried to grab the focus at the end of a race that he had lost. He should have been more gracious and humble. Going down the road he did at the GOP convention, which is meant to unify factions, was a fatal mistake.
He encouraged people to to get out and vote for their families, vote for candidates they trust, and vote their conscious. And Trump fans are enraged.
Whats wrong with this picture.
Having grown children, Trump has made them proxies for the campaign. There is no, "the kids are off-limits" here. But there is another element at play. Trump, being in the evening of his days, is looking for legacy. He seeks to establish the Trump name alongside Bush and Kennedy. We see this thought pattern emerging among Trump sycophants, "I'd love to work for Eric and Ivanka," etc. Naturally this transfers to the political realm as well.
I suggest that is the election appears close, that you bite the bullet and vote straight R. The disposition of the supreme court makes the choice obvious for me. Even a bad President can create long-term problems with his SCOTUS choices. Just look at Obama's choices.
@oldmomster
Yes, a pledge is a pledge...Just like that forsaking all other, til death do us part that Trump swore to Ivana, and then Marla, and now Melania...
Back on topic...
Cruz' speech of last night will grow larger over time. It will not diminish him.
Well Cruz DID hy-jack the convention....and unfortunately could have otherwise focused on just as you mentioned.......unifying the people.
Instead he set a wedge in it as we see today continues by continuing to campaign. Also sad to hear him mention Trumps attacks today as it certainly shows he's still nursing those wounds.....though understandable.....but it makes it see like he's a "sore" loser trying to gain sympathy at the wrong time.
Liz Mair and Make America Awesome, a totally unaffiliated PAC, started it. Not "Cruzpac".
The truth matters.
And Let me take this opportunity to pay a compliment, RIV. Your contributions and behavior throughout has been exemplary. Measured, calm, and with understanding and insight. Consider me one of your biggest fans.
You would prefer that Ted Cruz tell you to vote for them?
Problem is that most in the auditorium last night didn't see it that way, which is why he's trying to explain himself this morning to the Texas delegation. When you have to explain what you just said, you have problems. What he did last night was to solidify his standing with the right wing, but make a lot of enemies. Not a good thing to do when planning his 2020 presidential aspirations. It wouldn't have taken much to ask for unity against Hillary, but he just couldn't do that. It hasn't ended his political career, just made his job much tougher.
Kasich at least did not go out in front of the crowd and try to exploit the opportunity of the national media spotlight to promote himself. This was Cruz at his elf-serving worst. I was a Cruz supporter and have yet to support Trump. But I am intentionally not trying to rain on the Trump parade, as Cruz has done.
I suggest that is the election appears close, that you bite the bullet and vote straight R. The disposition of the supreme court makes the choice obvious for me. Even a bad President can create long-term problems with his SCOTUS choices. Just look at Obama's choices.
No. He should have kept his mouth shut and used his position in the senate to advance his political positions. That would have gone a long way to bolster his chances in the future. No one is asking Ted, or Kasich or Lindsay Graham to compromise their beliefs. Just show some class and realize that they are not the nominee and as members of the party, they should not oppose the election of the party's candidate.
Trump is not Satan. He may or may not make a good President, but he will be a lot better than Hillary. He can only do that if he gets elected.
You would prefer that Ted Cruz tell you to vote for ?
No. He should have kept his mouth shut and used his position in the senate to advance his political positions. That would have gone a long way to bolster his chances in the future. No one is asking Ted, or Kasich or Lindsay Graham to compromise their beliefs. Just show some class and realize that they are not the nominee and as members of the party, they should not oppose the election of the party's candidate.
Trump is not Satan. He may or may not make a good President, but he will be a lot better than Hillary. He can only do that if he gets elected.
He encouraged people to to get out and vote for their families, vote for candidates they trust, and vote their conscious. And Trump fans are enraged.
Whats wrong with this picture.
There's nothing special about voting your conscience. All people do. That's why politics is so passionate, unpredictable, volatile. Where I vote the curtain closes behind me. Then it's just me, the ballot and my conscience. Real private like. Is it done a special way where you come from?
I'm not so sure all supporters of Trump are mad.......rather they are disappointed that Cruz had the opportunity to unite the party and many wanted to hear that directly.....instead Cruz rode the edge of the party divisions by not endorsing Trump.......and with that continues to "campaign" and set the "standards" of what he has determined are the touch stones for voting. throughout this morning in speaking with the Texan Delegates and answering their questions......From the end of Cruz' speech:
So it's understandable certainly that some are angry.......they aren't looking to 2020 but to this very election.
The case we have to make to the American people, the case each person in this room has to make to the American people is to commit to each of them that we will defend freedom, and be faithful to the Constitution.
We will unite the party; we will unite the country by standing together for shared values by standing for liberty. God bless each and every one of you, and God bless the United States of America.
Maybe a Trump supporter can explain something.Because in the speech Cruz gave to the convention to load in the teleprompter at the end was a part about the need to defeat Clinton and the phrase "we must support the Trump-Pence ticket." Not an endorsement but a call to unify and support the ticket. This is why even Cruz's delegates there were booing him, his own donors wanted to attack him and hes getting slammed on his face book and twitter.
Cruz didn't say a single negative word about Trump.
In fact, he opened his speech with a congratulatory message to him.
Cruz encouraged people to vote their consciences, up and down the ticket.
What are y'all so mad about?
No. He should have kept his mouth shut and used his position in the senate to advance his political positions. That would have gone a long way to bolster his chances in the future. No one is asking Ted, or Kasich or Lindsay Graham to compromise their beliefs. Just show some class and realize that they are not the nominee and as members of the party, they should not oppose the election of the party's candidate.
Trump is not Satan. He may or may not make a good President, but he will be a lot better than Hillary. He can only do that if he gets elected.
Ted knew how much immediate blowback he was going to get and said what needed saying anyway! He is a TRUE patriot and will be remembered as such in the long run!
Because in the speech Cruz gave to the convention to load in the teleprompter at the end was a part about the need to defeat Clinton and the phrase "we must support the Trump-Pence ticket." Not an endorsement but a call to unify and support the ticket. This is why even Cruz's delegates there were booing him, his own donors wanted to attack him and hes getting slammed on his face book and twitter.
All the talk of values and conscious was the same lawyer speak for "do not vote Trump" just like it was during the anti Trump operation.
Because in the speech Cruz gave to the convention to load in the teleprompter at the end was a part about the need to defeat Clinton and the phrase "we must support the Trump-Pence ticket." Not an endorsement but a call to unify and support the ticket. This is why even Cruz's delegates there were booing him, his own donors wanted to attack him and hes getting slammed on his face book and twitter.
All the talk of values and conscious was the same lawyer speak for "do not vote Trump" just like it was during the anti Trump operation.
@oldmomster
I'm making the point that if you are going to get up on your high horse about pledges, you need to acknowledge that Donny boy has broken more than his fair share. And also that he said in March point-blank that he wouldn't honor this "support the nominee" pledge if he didn't win.
I think you have hit the nail on the head here. If Trump wins, Cruz and Kasich's presidential chances are over forever and their chances for other high office are diminished. If Trump loses, Cruz and Kasich will be blamed and the result will be the same.
The smart thing would have been to urge others to vote strait R or say nothing at all. In my opinion, Cruz and Kasich have both ended their presidential chances forever.
Kasich at least did not go out in front of the crowd and try to exploit the opportunity of the national media spotlight to promote himself. This was Cruz at his elf-serving worst. I was a Cruz supporter and have yet to support Trump. But I am intentionally not trying to rain on the Trump parade, as Cruz has done.Where, specifically, did Cruz 'rain on Trump's parade'?
Kasich at least did not go out in front of the crowd and try to exploit the opportunity of the national media spotlight to promote himself. This was Cruz at his elf-serving worst. I was a Cruz supporter and have yet to support Trump. But I am intentionally not trying to rain on the Trump parade, as Cruz has done.
It's because in order to vote for Trump you've got to park your conscience in the long-term lot.
Interesting that you think requesting people to "vote for candidates up and down the ticket who you trust to defend our freedom, and to be faithful to the constitution" is in opposition to voting for Trump. I did not read it that way.
The bolded above WAS NOT in the speech Cruz submitted to the RNC at 8:20 last night. You're prevaricating.
Cruz opposed no one. He said we should vote our conscious. Vote for someone we can trust. Do you seriously think he was endorsing Hillary?
Honestly I do not know why Trump fans choose to interpret his comments the way they do.
Or maybe I do know why.
Honestly I do not know why Trump fans choose to interpret his comments the way they do.
Or maybe I do know why.
From the end of Cruz' speech:
http://www.rollcall.com/news/politics/transcript-ted-cruz-convention-speech (http://www.rollcall.com/news/politics/transcript-ted-cruz-convention-speech)
The rain on the Trump parade was orchestrated by the Trump people. Trump had a copy of the speech 2 hrs before it was given. He knew what was going to be said and then at just the "right time" Trump shows up and the NY delegation starts yelling. Trump gets to pretend he's the injured party and Sen Cruz is so "bad" for not bowing down to him, or honoring a pledge neither party said they would.
Trump is probably going to lose because he doesn't have the capacity to make his opponents allies. His base instinct is to dominate and make everyone subservient to hm. There is a group within the Pub party that will not surrender their values and in the end they will never support someone who insists that they do.
Yes, but his audience of thousands of Trump Nominee supporters were there to officially declare Trump the winner.........and those who were speakers to support and endorse the winner. The whole idea of the Convention is to do just that and unify the party.......it's not what Cruz said.......it's what he failed to say that has everybody's pants in a knot.......and rightfully so.
Further those people weren't there to be "schooled" by Cruz on how to vote.....they already made that choice.
Speaking at a political convention and not publicly endorsing the candidate is a very clear message that you do not endorse the candidate. Once the nominee is chosen, the only purpose of the convention is to show unity and gain voters from those undecided people watching on television. .......The delegates of the convention knew that immediately. So did the viewing public.
Having grown children, Trump has made them proxies for the campaign. There is no, "the kids are off-limits" here. But there is another element at play. Trump, being in the evening of his days, is looking for legacy. He seeks to establish the Trump name alongside Bush and Kennedy. We see this thought pattern emerging among Trump sycophants, "I'd love to work for Eric and Ivanka," etc. Naturally this transfers to the political realm as well.Weren't those the kids who couldn't vote for Daddy because the ink wasn't dry on their paperwork coming over from the Democrat Party or something like that?
In my opinion, you do not.
Speaking at a political convention and not publicly endorsing the candidate is a very clear message that you do not endorse the candidate. Once the nominee is chosen, the only purpose of the convention is to show unity and gain voters from those undecided people watching on television. The delegates of the convention knew that immediately. So did the viewing public.
You may not know why they interpreted his comments that way, but the fact remains that they did. Since they interpreted it that way in vast numbers, you are the outlier rather than the norm. Denying the results does not change them.
Ted hurt himself last night. That is very disappointing to me because he is the politician who best mirrors my values. I'm afraid that I will have to look elsewhere in the future. I was hoping he would use his position to push Trump in my direction for the foreseeable future. I fear that anything he has to say now will be dismissed. It's sad, really.
Listening to the radio...Cruz's remarks this morning at, I believe, a breakfast with the Texas delegation:
"That pledge to support the nominee was voided when it became personal, when Donald Trump attacked my wife and my father."
"In no way am I obligated to come to heel like a servile puppy and support a man who attacks my wife and father."
Damn right.
Speaking at a political convention and not publicly endorsing the candidate is a very clear message that you do not endorse the candidate. Once the nominee is chosen, the only purpose of the convention is to show unity and gain voters from those undecided people watching on television. The delegates of the convention knew that immediately. So did the viewing public.
You may not know why they interpreted his comments that way, but the fact remains that they did. Since they interpreted it that way in vast numbers, you are the outlier rather than the norm. Denying the results does not change them.
Ted hurt himself last night. That is very disappointing to me because he is the politician who best mirrors my values. I'm afraid that I will have to look elsewhere in the future. I was hoping he would use his position to push Trump in my direction for the foreseeable future. I fear that anything he has to say now will be dismissed. It's sad, really.
In my opinion, you do not.
Speaking at a political convention and not publicly endorsing the candidate is a very clear message that you do not endorse the candidate. Once the nominee is chosen, the only purpose of the convention is to show unity and gain voters from those undecided people watching on television. The delegates of the convention knew that immediately. So did the viewing public.
You may not know why they interpreted his comments that way, but the fact remains that they did. Since they interpreted it that way in vast numbers, you are the outlier rather than the norm. Denying the results does not change them.
Ted hurt himself last night. That is very disappointing to me because he is the politician who best mirrors my values. I'm afraid that I will have to look elsewhere in the future. I was hoping he would use his position to push Trump in my direction for the foreseeable future. I fear that anything he has to say now will be dismissed. It's sad, really.
Last I checked, this is a republican primary, not a vote for pastor. If we eliminated all congresspeople who have been divorced, DC would be empty. The fact that everyone would like their candidate to be pure as driven snow is a given - its NOT the outcome we got.By golly, you're right! A sacred vow is just not the same as some mangy ol' political pledge made in an election year.
Sad that we have allowed a buffoon to make the party of Reagan into an WWE organization and event. When this fixation with reality TV politics finally ends, Cruz will be the grownup who returns conservative values to the party.
Interesting analysis. I agree. Cruz was grandstanding and tried to grab the focus at the end of a race that he had lost. He should have been more gracious and humble. Going down the road he did at the GOP convention, which is meant to unify factions, was a fatal mistake.
It did strongly resemble another Trump media charade.
And all the usual characters are falling right in line with the dialogue.
By golly, you're right! A sacred vow is just not the same as some mangy ol' political pledge made in an election year.
Interesting that you think requesting people to "vote for candidates up and down the ticket who you trust to defend our freedom, and to be faithful to the constitution" is in opposition to voting for Trump. I did not read it that way.Usually people are most conflicted when their actions do not conform to their innermost beliefs. That makes them unhappy, angry, even. They really, really hate being reminded of that, too. How many Trump supporters support Trump only to try to keep Hillary out of office, despite polls which indicated he would lose to her, because he was presented as a "winner"? Maybe they aren't so sure, now.
Sen Cruz was put in a position in which he was given no choice, but to take the position he did. It is the victor's responsibility to make peace with his opponent. Trump could have unified the party very easily by publicly apologizing for all the crude behavior and lies he perpetuated. He didn't instead when Sen Cruz spoke at the convention he orchestrated a demonstration in order to diminish Sen Cruz. In the end Trump will suffer the cost of his hubris. Sen Cruz took the high road last night and over time people will respect him for it.
Honestly; don't you admire a man who entered the Lions Den to accept his "punishment" for coming in second? Don't you admire a man who stood up for his convictions? Or would you rather see Ted flip flop as Trump has done and endorsed that democrat?
Cruz could have stayed home and not spoke at the Convention. But that would have harmed him far greater as he would have been considered as a weak loser. It took great courage for Cruz to face his enemies (Trumpanzees) and take their attacks.
I couldn't disagree more.
Sen Cruz was put in a position in which he was given no choice, but to take the position he did. It is the victor's responsibility to make peace with his opponent. Trump could have unified the party very easily by publicly apologizing for all the crude behavior and lies he perpetuated. He didn't instead when Sen Cruz spoke at the convention he orchestrated a demonstration in order to diminish Sen Cruz. In the end Trump will suffer the cost of his hubris. Sen Cruz took the high road last night and over time people will respect him for it.
......We witnessed the death of the values based Republican Party last night.......This is now a party of mob rule, a party that booed the phrase 'voting your values', a party that booed 'voting for the Constitution', a party that booed when Cruz said " fight for freedom, to protect our God-given rights" , a party that booed 'Cast aside anger for love', a party that even booed when Cruz said "God Bless America". ........
No. I don't admire his actions. Rather, I admire the actions of Ronald Reagan when faced with the same situation.
Exactly right. He has no reason to support Trump. Butt... He could have kept his mouth shut and showed some class. He chose not to. That explains the title of this thread.
you're right - my priorities are just so screwed up that I would place the safety of my children ahead of the hope that sometime in the not too distant future we might MIGHT get the perfect candidate.
To paraphrase Rush Limbaugh, Ted Cruz is living rent free in Trump's head. Regardless of what transpired during the primary, Trump has the nomination and his opponent is Hillary Clinton, not Ted Cruz. I can't understand how he and his supporters could think that destroying Senator Cruz would benefit them in a race with Sec. Clinton. Senator Cruz could disappear in the next five minutes and that would not give Mr. Trump one more vote.
No. I don't admire his actions. Rather, I admire the actions of Ronald Reagan when faced with the same situation.
No. I don't admire his actions. Rather, I admire the actions of Ronald Reagan when faced with the same situation.
It did strongly resemble another Trump media charade.
And all the usual characters are falling right in line with the dialogue.
Reagan didn't endorse Ford at the '76 convention either.Yes Reagan did endorse Ford before the speech so it was a non-issue. Funny how the Antis love to create fiction over reality.
Reagan didn't endorse Ford at the '76 convention either.
They weren't booing those statements....they were booing Cruz's refusal to endorse Trump....and failing this even after they chanted "endorse Trump".....which is what a Convention is about.....speakers who support the Official Nominee and utilize the opportunity for their endorsements. Cruz ignored their pleas and instead 'schooled" them on how they should vote. ..and basically continued his campaigning for 2020 by attempting to do as Reagan did........which nobody there was in a mood for after weathering the primary.
did you miss the part about Trump winning?
whether or not we agree with his morals? when we are faced with a dem'RAT who called off a rescue team and let Americans die? when a dem'RAT president will be flying refugees by the thousands and settling them in OUR small midwest towns since the cities are already ruined by home-grown blm terrorists?
you're right - my priorities are just so screwed up that I would place the safety of my children ahead of the hope that sometime in the not too distant future we might MIGHT get the perfect candidate. I give - you're right - I'll just stay home and not vote at all. You convinced me. Thanks.
These people are riding 40-story high horses. Get back to earth! We have the most corrupt, incompetent person in the history of politics, Hillary Clinton, looming on the horizon...
Balls in your court #NeverTrumps. What's more important? Faith, family, country, or your pride?
No. I don't admire his actions. Rather, I admire the actions of Ronald Reagan when faced with the same situation.
As far as I can tell, and my access to information is currently limited, Ted did not say anything directly negative against Trump. But he also did not say anything directly negative against Hillary.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/07/flashback-ted-cruz-promises-national-tv-endorse-donald-trump-video/
Guess its the fact that repub party twisted themselves into pretzels insinuating that Trump would not support the party if another candidate won. Turns out its the OTHER guys who are not keeping their word.
People don't need to be told to vote their conscience - they do it anyway. The delegates who tried to invalidate the votes of the citizens claimed they needed to vote their conscience instead of vote outcomes. Maybe people are just tired of the games and the hair-splitting.
A pledge is a pledge.
Yes Reagan did endorse Ford before the speech so it was a non-issue. Funny how the Antis love to create fiction over reality.
The political suicide we saw last night was of an entire party. We witnessed the death of the values based Republican Party last night. The final nail was when gown men were threatening Heidi Cruz to the point she had to walk out with armed security. This is now a party of mob rule, a party that booed the phrase 'voting your values', a party that booed 'voting for the Constitution', a party that booed when Cruz said " fight for freedom, to protect our God-given rights" , a party that booed 'Cast aside anger for love', a party that even booed when Cruz said "God Bless America". This split has been a long time coming. Even if you aren't a Ted Cruz fan, you owe him a debt of gratitude for exposing that.
These people are riding 40-story high horses. Get back to earth! We have the most corrupt, incompetent person in the history of politics, Hillary Clinton, looming on the horizon...
Balls in your court #NeverTrumps. What's more important? Faith, family, country, or your pride?
The political suicide we saw last night was of an entire party. We witnessed the death of the values based Republican Party last night. The final nail was when gown men were threatening Heidi Cruz to the point she had to walk out with armed security. This is now a party of mob rule, a party that booed the phrase 'voting your values', a party that booed 'voting for the Constitution', a party that booed when Cruz said " fight for freedom, to protect our God-given rights" , a party that booed 'Cast aside anger for love', a party that even booed when Cruz said "God Bless America". This split has been a long time coming. Even if you aren't a Ted Cruz fan, you owe him a debt of gratitude for exposing that.
1,000x's :amen:God Bless Ted Cruz
Since he is a Republican, he should not have attended the convention
Reagan didn't endorse Ford at the '76 convention either.
Amen. The Republican establishment seriously damaged the Republican party during the last 8 years (or longer), but the Trump movement killed it.
Yeah, at some point Trump supporters really should stop with the lies.
Here is the speech:Its already been posted, do your own dam homework.
https://reaganlibrary.archives.gov/archives/reference/8.19.76.html
Would you please point out the words of his endorsement?
There are a lot of reasons other than a presidential candidate that occur to go to a convention, like meeting with supporters, party platform.
You imply nominating a presidential candidate is that is all that there is. wrong.
Its already been posted, do your own dam homework.
Its already been posted, do your own dam homework.
Butt... He could have kept his mouth shut and showed some class. He chose not to.
No....bull shit. Answer the f'n question. There is reason you have no credibility here.
It would be so easy for Trump to turn Cruz's speech into a plus for himself tomorrow, and win many of Cruz's supporters votes as well.
He could be respectful, he could restore his relationship with Cruz, he could embrace the values Cruz spoke of and claim he hoped we would all see him as the candidate to carry them forward.
I would be pleasantly surprised if he did. But I'm pretty certain he won't. Trump just doesn't have it in him.
No. I don't admire his actions. Rather, I admire the actions of Ronald Reagan when faced with the same situation.
:facepalm2: Ah, the whole purpose of a political convention is to tell people in your party who to vote for.
Cruz did exactly as Reagan did in 1976.
http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/07/21/ted-cruz-did-not-endorse-donald-trump-but-ronald-reagan-supported-gerald-ford-to-win/
I posted the quotes near the bottom of the last page.
No....bull shit. Answer the f'n question. There is reason you have no credibility here.Reality check. Since I keep getting proven right and the Antis keep getting proven wrong the fact is I do have more credibility then the Anti's here. Kinda hard to claim you are credible with a 100 percent record of being wrong.
That article points out the lack of actual endorsement by Reagan and the conflicting opinions that try to read an endorsement out of support for the party. Like Cruz showed support stating "vote for candidates up and down the ticket who you trust to defend our freedom, and to be faithful to the constitution".Its dishonest to make the issue endorsement when the issue, even in the pledge was about SUPPORT. If you have to lie to make you point you have no point.
It is strange that some Trump supporters think that language excludes Donald Trump.
That article points out the lack of actual endorsement by Reagan and the conflicting opinions that try to read an endorsement out of support for the party. Like Cruz showed support stating "vote for candidates up and down the ticket who you trust to defend our freedom, and to be faithful to the constitution".
It is strange that some Trump supporters think that language excludes Donald Trump.
OK. That's valid. If he attended, he should have kept his mouth shut.
Its already been posted, do your own dam homework.
Reality check. Since I keep getting proven right and the Antis keep getting proven wrong the fact is I do have more credibility then the Anti's here. Kinda hard to claim you are credible with a 100 percent record of being wrong.
Now the issue is did Reagan support Ford to win? And the answer is yes. And your sources have lied to you by twisting the issue from support to endorse. Just like the issue last night was never about Cruz endorsing Trump, it was about supporting him like Reagan did with Ford - and his speech he provided beforehand said he was going to do.
http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/07/21/ted-cruz-did-not-endorse-donald-trump-but-ronald-reagan-supported-gerald-ford-to-win/
That article points out the lack of actual endorsement by Reagan and the conflicting opinions that try to read an endorsement out of support for the party. Like Cruz showed support stating "vote for candidates up and down the ticket who you trust to defend our freedom, and to be faithful to the constitution".
It is strange that some Trump supporters think that language excludes Donald Trump.
God Bless Ted Cruz
Cruz 2020
You know if Trump did something like that I would have to re-evaluate not voting for Trump. You're right though, Trump would never take the high road and admit his mistakes.
Everyone is tire of your obfuscating bull shit. Answer the damn question. Where exactly in Reagan's speech did he endorse Ford?
How hard is it to do that?
Its dishonest to make the issue endorsement when the issue, even in the pledge was about SUPPORT. If you have to lie to make you point you have no point.
...And, if we stand together and choose freedom, our future will be brighter. Freedom will bring back jobs and raise wages. Freedom will lift people out of dependency to the dignity of work.
We can do this. Forty-Seven years ago to this day, America put the very first man on the moon.
That was the power of freedom. Our party, the Republican party, was founded to defeat slavery...
...We will unite the party; we will unite the country by standing together for shared values by standing for liberty....
You bet!
I really began to follow politics and formed my beliefs when Ronald Reagan ran for POTUS against Carter. I remember all the criticism of him in the media. He actually believed in things like individual liberty, limited govt., strong defense, and right vs. wrong. The GOPe hated him for it. They hated him once he was elected because he actually wanted to do what he said he would do. Sen Cruz is receiving the same treatment that Reagan did in his pre POTUS years. Sen Cruz will be vindicated.
Exactly. In no way did he state opposition to voting for Trump. Indeed, he explicitly endorsed many of Trump's themes, such as building "the wall". The speech could have unified the party, but the booing Trumpsters wouldn't let it. They demanded fealty, not support.
I currently have no party at the national level!
Yes, but his audience of thousands of Trump Nominee supporters were there to officially declare Trump the winner.........and those who were speakers to support and endorse the winner. The whole idea of the Convention is to do just that and unify the party.......it's not what Cruz said.......it's what he failed to say that has everybody's pants in a knot.......and rightfully so.I think they had already declared Trump the winner.
Further those people weren't there to be "schooled" by Cruz on how to vote.....they already made that choice.
Thank you, and god bless each and every one of you.
Heidi and I are so honored to join you here in Cleveland where LeBron James just lead an incredible comeback victory, and I am convinced America is going to come back too.
I want to congratulate Donald Trump on winning the nomination last night.
And, like each of you, I want to see the principles that our party believes prevail in November.
Conventions are times of excitement, but given the events of the last few weeks I hope you'll allow me a moment to talk to you about what's really at stake.
Just two weeks ago a nine-year-old girl named Caroline was living a carefree Texas summer. Swimming in the pool, playing with friends, doing all the things a happy child might do. Like most children, she relied upon the love that she received from her mom, Heidi, and her dad, a police sergeant named Michael Smith.
That is until he became one of the five police officers gunned down in Dallas.
The day her father was murdered, Caroline gave him a hug and a kiss as he left for work, but as they parted her dad asked her something he hadn't asked before. "What if this is the last time you ever kiss or hug me?"
Later, as she thought of her fallen father, and that last heart breaking hug, Caroline broke down into tears. How could anything ever be OK again? Michael Smith was a former Army Ranger who spent decades with the Dallas police department. I have no idea who he voted for in the last election, or what he thought about this once, but his life was a testament to devotion.
He protected the very protesters who mocked him because he loved his country, and his fellow man. His work gave new meaning to that line from literature, "To die of love is to live by it."
As I thought about what I wanted to say tonight, Michael Smith's story weighed on my heart. Maybe That's because his daughter Caroline is about the same age as my eldest daughter, and happens to share the same name. Maybe it's because I saw a video of that dear, sweet child choking back sobs as she remembered her Daddy's last question to her.
Maybe it's because we live in a world where so many others have had their lives destroyed by evil in places like Orlando, and Paris, and Nice, and Baton Rouge. Maybe it's because of the simple question itself. What if this right now is our last time? Our last moment to do something for our families, and our country? Did we live up to the values we say we believe? Did we do all we really could?
That's really what elections should be about. That's why you and millions like you devoted so much time and sacrifice to this campaign. We're fighting not for one particular candidate, or one campaign, but because each of wants to be able to tell our kids and grandkids, our own Caroline's, that we did our best for their future and our country.
America is more than just a land mass between two oceans, America is an ideal. A simple, yet powerful ideal. Freedom matters.
For much of human history government power has been the unavoidable constant in life. Government decrees and the people obey, but not here. We have no king or queen, we have no dictator, we the people constrain government.
Our nation is exceptional because it was built on the five most beautiful and powerful words in the English language, "I want to be free."
Never has that message been more needed than today. We stand here tonight a nation divided. Partisan rancor, anger, even hatred are tearing America apart. And citizens are furious, rightly furious, at a political establishment that cynically breaks its promises, and that ignores the will of the people.
We have to do better. We owe our fallen heroes more than that.
Now, of course, Obama and Clinton will also tell you that they care about our children's future, and I want to believe them but there is a profound difference about our two party's vision for the future.
There's is the part that thinks ISIS is a J.V. team, that responds to the death of Americans in Benghazi, "What difference does it make?" And, that thinks it's possible to make a deal with Iran that celebrates its holidays, "Death to America Day," and, "Death to Israel Day."
My friends, this is madness. President Obama is a man who does everything backwards. He wants to close Guantanamo Bay, and open up our borders. He exports jobs, and imports terrorists. Enough is enough.
And, I am here to tell you there is a better vision for our future. A return to freedom.
On education your freedom to choose your child's education, even if you aren't as rich as Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama.
On healthcare, your freedom to choose your own doctor without Obamacare.
On taxes, your freedom to provide for your family without the IRS beating down your door.
The Internet? Keep it free from taxes, free from regulation and don't give it away to Russia and China.
Freedom means free speech, not politically correct safe spaces.
Freedom means religious freedom, whether you are Christian, Jew, Muslim, or atheist.
Whether you are gay, or straight, the Bill of Rights protects the rights of all of us to live according to our conscience.
Freedom means the right to keep and bear arms, and to protect your family.
Freedom means that every human life is precious and must be protected.
Freedom means Supreme Court Justices who don't dictate policy, but instead follow the Constitution.
And, freedom means recognizing that our Constitution allows states to choose policies that reflect local values. Colorado might decide something different than Texas. New York different than Iowa. That's the way it's supposed to be, diversity.
If not, what's the point of having states to begin with?
Now, Hillary Clinton believes that government should make virtually every choice in your life. Education, health care, marriage, speech, all dictated out of Washington. But, something powerful is happening, we've seen it in both parties, we've seen it in the United Kingdom's unprecedented Brexit vote to leave the European Union.
Voters are overwhelmingly rejecting the political establishment, and overwhelmingly rejecting big government.
That is a profound victory and it is one earned by each and every one of you. People are fed up with politicians who don't listen to them. Fed up with a corrupt system that benefits the elites instead of working men and women.
We deserve an immigration system that puts America first, and yes, builds a wall to keep America safe.
A government that stops admitting ISIS terrorists as refugees. We deserve trade policies that put the interests of American farmers over the interests that are funding the lobbyists.
And, if we stand together and choose freedom, our future will be brighter. Freedom will bring back jobs and raise wages. Freedom will lift people out of dependency to the dignity of work.
We can do this. Forty-Seven years ago to this day, America put the very first man on the moon.
That was the power of freedom. Our party, the Republican party, was founded to defeat slavery.
Abraham Lincoln, the first Republican president signed the Emancipation Proclamation.
Together we passed the Civil Rights Act, and together we fought to eliminate Jim Crow Laws.
That's our collective legacy, although the media will never share it with you. Those were fights for freedom, and so is this.
Sergeant Michael Smith stood up to protect our freedom. So do the soldiers, and sailors, and airmen, and Marines everyday fighting radical Islamic terrorism.
And, so did the family of Alton Sterling who bravely called to end the violence. So did the families of those murdered at the Charleston-Emanuel AME Church who forgave that hateful, bigoted, murder.
And, so can we. We deserve leaders who stand for principle, who unite us all behind shared values, who cast aside anger for love. That is the standard we should expect from everybody. And, to those listening, please don't stay home in November.
If you love our country, and love our children as much as you do, stand, and speak, and vote your conscience, vote for candidates up and down the ticket who you trust to defend our freedom, and to be faithful to the constitution.
I appreciate the enthusiasm of the New York delegation.
And I will tell you that it is love of freedom that has allowed millions to achieve their dreams. Like my mom, the first in her family to go to college, and my dad, who's here tonight, who fled prison and torture in Cuba. Coming to Texas with just $100 dollars sewn into his underwear.
And it is over that I hope will bring comfort to a grieving nine- year-old girl in Dallas, and God willing, propel her to move forward, and dream, and soar, and make her daddy proud. We must make the most of our moments, to fight for freedom, to protect our God given rights, even if those with whom we don't agree so that when we are old and grey, and when our work is done, and when we give those we love one final kiss goodbye we will be able to say freedom matters and I was part of something beautiful.
The case we have to make to the American people, the case each person in this room has to make to the American people is to commit to each of them that we will defend freedom, and be faithful to the Constitution.
We will unite the party; we will unite the country by standing together for shared values by standing for liberty. God bless each and every one of you, and God bless the United States of America.
OK. That's valid. If he attended, he should have kept his mouth shut.
It would be so easy for Trump to turn Cruz's speech into a plus for himself tomorrow, and win many of Cruz's supporters votes as well.Great idea @sinkspur !! and wouldn't we all love to see him "restore his relationship with Cruz" through a public apology to TC [from the convention floor]? Could take seven years of prayers from the Carthusian Monks to make that fly! But we can all hope it could be sooner than that.
He could be respectful, he could restore his relationship with Cruz, he could embrace the values Cruz spoke of and claim he hoped we would all see him as the candidate to carry them forward.
I would be pleasantly surprised if he did. But I'm pretty certain he won't. Trump just doesn't have it in him.
If Trump did ANYTHING Conservative, I would gladly re-evaluate. But it's been over a year now, and I'm still waiting.
...Answer the damn question. Where exactly in Reagan's speech did he endorse Ford?
How hard is it to do that?
As far as I can tell, and my access to information is currently limited, Ted did not say anything directly negative against Trump. But he also did not say anything directly negative against Hillary.
He seemed to just throw his hands up, shrug his shoulders, and say, Hey! You guys didn't pick me, so now I don't care who you vote for. Do what you want. I don't care.
Vote your conscience! (whatever that means?)
I don't care who you are. I don't care what the reasons are. That was very weird.
It would have been much better if he had just found a hole to hide in to sulk, and just stay out of it. Like all the old-timey establishment candidates did.
Exactly right. He has no reason to support Trump. Butt... He could have kept his mouth shut and showed some class. He chose not to. That explains the title of this thread.
You bet!
I really began to follow politics and formed my beliefs when Ronald Reagan ran for POTUS against Carter. I remember all the criticism of him in the media. He actually believed in things like individual liberty, limited govt., strong defense, and right vs. wrong. The GOPe hated him for it. They hated him once he was elected because he actually wanted to do what he said he would do. Sen Cruz is receiving the same treatment that Reagan did in his pre POTUS years. Sen Cruz will be vindicated.
Hillary and her allies better be prepared. While she'll have a billion bucks to spend on negative ads, Trump knows how to dominate the media.Oh, they are not only prepared, they have already hit the ground with (iirc) 180 million in airtime. I have already seen an ad against Trump, a couple of weeks ago.
Everyone is tired of your obfuscating bull shit. Answer the damn question. Where exactly in Reagan's speech did he endorse Ford?You want to talk about Bullshit how about your changing the issue to "endorsement" when it was about "support" per the pledge and the same thing Reagan said was he support them. Support is NOT endorsement which is a much higher level. So the bullshiters are the ones here pulling the liberal game of moving the goal posts from Support as pledged to endorsing which was never the issue.
How hard is it to do that?
Political suicide?
/snicker
political suicide was nominating Donald Trump. Not endorsing Trump is simply refusing to drink the Jonestown Koolaid.
Cruz doesn't run and hide. He shows leadership.
Great idea @sinkspur !! and wouldn't we all love to see him "restore his relationship with Cruz" through a public apology to TC [from the convention floor]? Could take seven years of prayers from the Carthusian Monks to make that fly! But we can all hope it could be sooner than that.
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-J95SUBVGsJ0/VMFnZgzxuII/AAAAAAAAA5w/eELn59hH1SU/s1600/carthusian-monks-charterhouse-1.jpg)
:bsflag: :bs: :bsflag: :bs::bsflag:Cruz couldn't get enough people to like him this time. What makes anyone think 2020 wil be different?
Politically brilliant move
Once Trump is exposed as the fraud that he is, Ted Cruz will come out like a hero.
I can't help that the TV punditry is so short sided, and collectively stupid.
And to those NY delegate thugs who threatened MS. Cruz...... FU
You want to talk about Bullshit how about your changing the issue to "endorsement" when it was about "support" per the pledge and the same thing Reagan said was he support them. Support is NOT endorsement which is a much higher level. So the bullshiters are the ones here pulling the liberal game of moving the goal posts from Support as pledged to endorsing which was never the issue.
I'm not sure what you mean. No one in my family is a democRAT, registered or otherwise.
Or if you are calling me a Clinton supporter, I intend to vote for Trump this fall. As the Trump enthusiasts keep pointing out, he's better than Hillary. IMHO being the "Not Hillary" candidate is a pretty weak campaign theme, but hey, you have to roll with what got.
DT has just now endorsed Erdogan. What a brain, the biggest, best, smartest man in the world.
Seems Islamic jihadists will still have a friend in the white house if DT gets elected.
So thrilled to hear DT thugs trashing Cruz while loving on Erdogan and hating on NATO.
Erdogan is pro Shari'a Law...pro ISIS and pro Islamic terrorism.
And Trump just endorsed all of that by endorsing Erdogan.
Which means that now all the Trumpkins are backing a guy who eodorses the leader of a state that sponsors radical Islam and everything else that come with that.
They must be so proud of themselves.
One can say Cruz doesn't even compare to Mike Pence per an accomplished career and following the constitution at that.
did you miss the part about Trump winning?You're welcome. I figure the only reason Trump doesn't have a record of the sins Hillary does is no one had been keeping count: after all he hasn't had the opportunity to vote for or against something, call off a rescue team, or veto or sign a bill.
whether or not we agree with his morals? when we are faced with a dem'RAT who called off a rescue team and let Americans die? when a dem'RAT president will be flying refugees by the thousands and settling them in OUR small midwest towns since the cities are already ruined by home-grown blm terrorists?
you're right - my priorities are just so screwed up that I would place the safety of my children ahead of the hope that sometime in the not too distant future we might MIGHT get the perfect candidate. I give - you're right - I'll just stay home and not vote at all. You convinced me. Thanks.
ABSOLUTELY WRONG! You really should read, watch, or listen to the speech.
From the speech:
Of course, Obama and Clinton will tell you that they also care about our children’s future. And I want to believe them. But there is a profound difference in our two parties’ visions for the future.
Theirs is the party that thinks ISIS is a “JV team,” that responds to the death of Americans at Benghazi by asking, “What difference does it make?” That thinks it’s possible to make a deal with Iran, which celebrates as holidays “Death to America Day” and “Death to Israel Day.”
My friends, this is madness.
President Obama is a man who does everything backwards – he wants to close Guantanamo Bay and open up our borders, he exports jobs and imports terrorists.
Enough is enough.
There is a better vision for our future: A return to freedom.
On education, your freedom to choose your child’s education, even if you aren’t as rich as Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama.
On healthcare, your freedom to choose your own doctor, without Obamacare.
On taxes, your freedom to provide for your family without the IRS beating down your door.
The Internet? Keep it free from taxes, free from regulation. And don’t give it away to Russia and China.
Freedom means free speech, not politically correct safe spaces.
Freedom means religious freedom, whether you are Christian or Jew, Muslim or atheist. Gay or straight, the Bill of Rights protects the rights of all of us to live according to our conscience.
Freedom means the right to keep and bear arms, and protect your family.
Freedom means Supreme Court Justices who don’t dictate policy, but instead follow the Constitution.
And freedom means recognizing that our Constitution allows states to choose policies that reflect local values. Colorado may decide something different than Texas. New York different than Iowa. Diversity. That’s the way it’s supposed to be. If not, what’s the point of having states to begin with?
Hillary Clinton believes government should make virtually every choice in your life. Education, healthcare, marriage, speech – all dictated out of Washington.
Its dishonest to make the issue endorsement when the issue, even in the pledge was about SUPPORT. If you have to lie to make you point you have no point.So, essentially, you are saying the statement:
If you love our country, and love our children as much as you do, stand, and speak, and vote your conscience, vote for candidates up and down the ticket who you trust to defend our freedom, and to be faithful to the constitution.excludes Trump? Otherwise, that would be support, now wouldn't it?
So, essentially, you are saying the statement:excludes Trump? Otherwise, that would be support, now wouldn't it?
Easy on Mechanicos.... he's had a tough day :rolling:
This sure is a long thread for someone who is on everyone's ignore list.
Jussayin' 10294
Thank you for that. I missed that line.
Hillary Clinton believes government should make virtually every choice in your life. Education, healthcare, marriage, speech – all dictated out of Washington.
The rest of it is pretty well known boilerplate indictment of the entire Liberal movement in general, but not really anything about Trump being on the opposite side of all these things, or Trump being the one to lead the change. More like, here is a list of bad things on the other side. You figure out what you want to do about it.
It seems to me that it's up to Trump to demonstrate that he is the opposite of those things. If it's not obvious that he is, then Trump's campaign isn't doing its job.
This sure is a long thread for someone who is on everyone's ignore list.
Jussayin' 10294
Easy on Mechanicos.... he's had a tough day :rolling:I had a great day. By now you should know what you think harms Trump never does. All I need to do is look at Cruz's Facebook and Twitter and see you are the outliers - and it makes me smile. His explanation was a talking point. Normal people know Cruz via his PAC fired off the wife war to head off the NE article. And that PAC got paid well for it by Cruz, half a mill.
That ongoing back and forth sniping is said to have been a planned event by the Cruz campaign to try and intermingle the Cruz-Trump dispute with the pending National Enquirer story in an effort to confuse voters as to what was really going on. Initially it appears to have worked as the Mainstream Media has focused almost entirely on the Trump-Cruz back and forth involving the defense of their respective wives, and almost no attention by this same Mainstream Media has been devoted to the Cruz sex scandal story.
Adding yet another layer of intrigue to the Enquirer edition, and seemingly very much linked to the Melania Trump ad, is the involvement of former Carly Fiorina campaign staffer, Liz Mair. Just days prior to Mair’s newly-formed Make America Awesome anti-Trump PAC initiated the now-infamous Melania Trump modeling pic political ad, came the endorsement of Ted Cruz by Mair’s former boss, Carly Fiorina. This in turn reminded some in the media to recall a very odd $500,000 transaction that took place between a Ted Cruz Super PAC and Carly Fiorina Super PAC back in July when both were still (apparently) competing against one another for the GOP nomination. The Washington Post detailed that half a million dollar donation with the following headline:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/07/31/why-did-a-ted-cruz-super-pac-donate-to-carly-fiorina/?postshare=9641458877974512&tid=ss_tw-bottom
I am emotionally unable to put anyone on ignore. I tried it once, and I always had to take a look anyway. I got LESS peace because of it.
I give Mechanicos his props, anyway. He hasn't caused me any headaches. I hope I haven't caused him any.
I had a great day. By now you should know what you think harms Trump never does. All I need to do is look at Cruz's Facebook and Twitter and see you are the outliers - and it makes me smile. His explanation was a talking point. Normal people know Cruz via his PAC fired off the wife war to head off the NE article. And that PAC got paid well for it by Cruz, half a mill.
http://dcwhispers.com/report-cruz-campaign-prepared-sex-scandal-story-several-weeks/#AJoswBgC2KtGEf4S.99
So to recap:
-- Cruz submitted a speech that had support (not endorsement) at the end for the Trump-Pence ticket.
-- Cruz went off script.
-- Trump and RNC apparently did not trust Cruz to be honest and had a contingency plan in place to nullify his sabotage.
-- Cruz was booed by the convention goers including his own Texas delegates.
-- People who knew what Cruz was supposed to say per his word that were on his side were so angry at least one tried to attack him.
-- This morning hes out doing damage control playing the poor little me card, but its not working as seen from social media to him.
I had a great day. By now you should know what you think harms Trump never does. All I need to do is look at Cruz's Facebook and Twitter and see you are the outliers - and it makes me smile. His explanation was a talking point. Normal people know Cruz via his PAC fired off the wife war to head off the NE article. And that PAC got paid well for it by Cruz, half a mill.So, the orchestrated booing was in response to him going off script. Were there prompters in the front row?
http://dcwhispers.com/report-cruz-campaign-prepared-sex-scandal-story-several-weeks/#AJoswBgC2KtGEf4S.99
So to recap:
-- Cruz submitted a speech that had support (not endorsement) at the end for the Trump-Pence ticket.
-- Cruz went off script.
-- Trump and RNC apparently did not trust Cruz to be honest and had a contingency plan in place to nullify his sabotage.
-- Cruz was booed by the convention goers including his own Texas delegates.
-- People who knew what Cruz was supposed to say per his word that were on his side were so angry at least one tried to attack him.
-- This morning hes out doing damage control playing the poor little me card, but its not working as seen from social media to him.
Wow, Mechanicos. Your boy Trump officially gets the nomination, yet you are still here telling lies about Cruz.It is beginning to seem like an unhealthy fixation.
It is beginning to seem like an unhealthy fixation.
I've watching these prez campaigns for over fify years. I've never, ever seen a candidate from either major party call the names, the slander, the insults Trump has called the other Republican candidates. I was hoping Cruz had the character not to cave, and he didn't disappoint me.
Still wondering what Mechanicos Freeper name is.
Exactly.. and if Cruz' endorsement of the GOP "up and down the ticket" isn't enough for the Trump worshippers, screw 'em. Cruz is wise not to give a full endorsement to a ticket that has no possibility of winning.
Still wondering what Mechanicos Freeper name is.Its the same as here.
Still wondering what Mechanicos Freeper name is.
Erdogan is pro Shari'a Law...pro ISIS and pro Islamic terrorism.So DT, Obama and HRC essentially stand on the same side of that issue. Quelle surprise.
And Trump just endorsed all of that by endorsing Erdogan.
Still wondering what Mechanicos Freeper name is.http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/by:mechanicos/index?brevity=full;tab=comments (http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/by:mechanicos/index?brevity=full;tab=comments)
If Trump did ANYTHING Conservative, I would gladly re-evaluate. But it's been over a year now, and I'm still waiting.
If Hillary wins and completes her agenda, no GOP candidate will get enough votes.
Its the same as here.
Still wondering what Mechanicos Freeper name is.
I'm wondering what his DU name is.
Now for the truth.
Some are saying in here that Trump saw the speech Cru gave and set him up. The Fact is Cruz went off script of the speech he showed Trump. Here is the part of the speech Cruz said he was going to say:
(http://i.imgur.com/O4HSXhB.jpg)
Cruz signed a pledge to support the GOP nominee.
Trump is that nominee.
You just proved again what A BOLDFACED LIAR YOU ARE.
This is what the teleprompter actually says, and it was NOT from when Ted was speaking at all:
"Senator Ted Cruz in particular made the key point that we need to elect the Trump-Pence Republican Ticket"
How stupid do you take us all for?
You've been a busy boy over at TOS, mekkie. So have you @truth_seeker.
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Four Trump supporters on the list. Me, Right in Virginia, Fisherrman, Mechanicos.
They could sure use some reinforcements. Slip in quietly tonight while the others cry themselves to sleep, or in the morning while they sleep it off.
67 posted on 07/14/2016 9:35:11 PM PDT by truth_seeker (#NeverHillary#NeeverBernie)
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LMAO..... Mechanicos must have Cruz mistaken for Bob Dole and his 3rd person style
Strike 3 today for Mechanicos's credibility
So it's come to light that the Trump crew vetted the speech in advance and even the press received a copy in advance of the speech. It was on a teleprompter.
One wonders if Cruz wasn't set up to have Trump enter the Hall exactly when Cruz was finishing to elicit that negative response.
Cruz campaign did that to Ben Carson, the mailers that looked like official business telling people they had not been voting with names on it. Got loans from Goldman Sachs.The Carson meme.
One can have loyalty to the party, I've supported Romney and McCain but didn't vote for them in the primary.
So he's recruiting attack-dog scum to come over onto this board to bash those of us who are not supporting Trump. Nice.
Notice that they hate us non-Trump supporting Conservatives more than they hate the Democrats or Hillary Clinton. It is US they will continue to go to war against, and it is those of us who will never support their political messiah whom Trump himself will continue to attack - not Hillary.
That their party booed the line "Defend the Constitution" says everything you need to know about what the mob of sycophants for Trump are really all about: their cult of personality.
You just proved again what A BOLDFACED LIAR YOU ARE.That was what he was supposed to have said per his speech he provided. Newt had to ad lib at that point. As others have posted evidence supporting it, I was proven right. So to answer your question would get me banned.
This is what the teleprompter actually says, and it was NOT from when Ted was speaking at all:
"Senator Ted Cruz in particular made the key point that we need to elect the Trump-Pence Republican Ticket"
How stupid do you take us all for?
That was what he was supposed to have said per his speech he provided. Newt had to ad lib at that point. As others have posted evidence supporting it, I was proven right. So to answer your question would get me banned.
LMAO..... Mechanicos must have Cruz mistaken for Bob Dole and his 3rd person styleAgain I was proven right and you were proven wrong. My credibility is doing fine, yours however ...
Strike 3 today for Mechanicos's credibility
Yeah, but Trump would have beaten Cruz, destroyed the Republican Party, and set the Conservative movement back decades. That's all that matters now. Trump doesn't even act like Hillary is his opponent.
OMG..... Are you for real?Yeah, that's why you keep getting everything wrong.
Again I was proven right and you were proven wrong. My credibility is doing fine, yours however ...
LMAO..... Mechanicos must have Cruz mistaken for Bob Dole and his 3rd person style
Strike 3 today for Mechanicos's credibility
Great idea @sinkspur !! and wouldn't we all love to see him "restore his relationship with Cruz" through a public apology to TC [from the convention floor]? Could take seven years of prayers from the Carthusian Monks to make that fly! But we can all hope it could be sooner than that.I would like to "endorse" your comment.
It has been widely reported this morning, and confirmed by both Trump and Cruz camps, that Cruz delivered the speech he provided in advance. The Trump camp knew absolutely that Cruz would not endorse. Yet some still manufacture any absurd distortion they can conceive to perpetuate their fiction that Trump has nairy a hair out of place 'neath his halo, while those who deny fealty to him are in league with Satan.Mechanicos will just stack another one. Don't worry.
The reality, unfortunate for the nation, is that Trump demonstrates more concern for winning soundbite wars and creating petty instances of upstaging than for building a winning consensus for the general election. His ambition appears to be immediate domination rather than restoring the country.
It is said that we aren't electing a pastor or a husband. Neither are we electing an alpha male wolf pack leader. Trump should go mark his territory somewhere else instead of peeing on a once-great political party.
Just how many lies can you stack in one thread? People are laughing their butts off at you.
If Trump did ANYTHING Conservative, I would gladly re-evaluate. But it's been over a year now, and I'm still waiting.
Donald Trump and Ted Cruz: Is this a second coming of Barry Goldwater?
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2015/1204/Donald-Trump-and-Ted-Cruz-Is-this-a-second-coming-of-Barry-Goldwater
Ann Coulter @AnnCoulter
4h4 hours ago
"Last night, Cruz showed that he's earned a leading role in the nation's political future. And that nation is Canada."
That was what he was supposed to have said per his speech he provided. Newt had to ad lib at that point. As others have posted evidence supporting it, I was proven right. So to answer your question would get me banned.
So then the screenshot of the teleprompter were Newt's speech and not Cruz's, and you simply infer what his speech said v. the actual submitted transcript.
So to recap:
-- Cruz submitted a speech that had support (not endorsement) at the end for the Trump-Pence ticket.
-- Cruz went off script.
-- Trump and RNC apparently did not trust Cruz to be honest and had a contingency plan in place to nullify his sabotage.
That was what he was supposed to have said per his speech he provided. Newt had to ad lib at that point. As others have posted evidence supporting it, I was proven right. So to answer your question would get me banned.
And one would be dishonest if he did.
Pence, although an acceptable conservative, IS part of the Political Establishment.
Cruz has been fighting, all his adult life, first and foremost as a Conservative. Texas AG and Congressman; clerked under Scalia in the Supreme Court. Hated and reviled by RINOs.
Ann Coulter @AnnCoulter
4h4 hours ago
"Last night, Cruz showed that he's earned a leading role in the nation's political future. And that nation is Canada."
Ann Coulter @AnnCoulter
4h4 hours ago
"Last night, Cruz showed that he's earned a leading role in the nation's political future. And that nation is Canada."
Coulter's been sporting DJT autographed knee pads for months. So what?
You've been a busy boy over at TOS, mekkie. So have you @truthseeker.Well, now, that explains some of the fresh faced trolls.
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Four Trump supporters on the list. Me, Right in Virginia, Fisherrman, Mechanicos.
They could sure use some reinforcements. Slip in quietly tonight while the others cry themselves to sleep, or in the morning while they sleep it off.
67 posted on 07/14/2016 9:35:11 PM PDT by truth_seeker (#NeverHillary#NeeverBernie)
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LIE. The pic you submitted as evidence was from someone else speaking and not from when Cruz was speaking at all. A proven lie. Media outlets has the transcript in advance and Cruz never deviated.
Still wondering what Mechanicos Freeper name is.
The you mean this Ann Coulter?
"Ann Coulter: This country needs Chris Christie"
http://dailycaller.com/2011/02/16/ann-coulter-this-country-needs-chris-christie/
"ROMNEY IS WHAT THE COUNTRY NEEDS NOW"
http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2012-10-31.html
"Ann Coulter takes up ‘Mitt Romney for President’ chant again"
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/apr/18/ann-coulter-takes-mitt-romney-president-chant-agai/
:silly:
Well, now, that explains some of the fresh faced trolls.
Another Trump Family Ping?
Only intersite?
Trolling FR to bring people over here to run us off?
Oh my. Such upstanding people. Save it for Hillary you jerks.
Team Rubio Accuses Cruz Campaign of Employing ‘Another Dirty Trick’ in South Carolina — This One Involves the Bible
Marco Rubio’s communication’s director Alex Conant is accusing Ted Cruz’s campaign of more “dirty campaign tricks” after a video surfaced of Marco Rubio allegedly saying the Bible isn’t filled with many answers — although, as it turns out, Rubio actually said the opposite.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2016/02/22/team-rubio-accuses-cruz-campaign-of-employing-another-dirty-trick-in-south-carolina-this-one-involves-the-bible/
So it's come to light that the Trump crew vetted the speech in advance and even the press received a copy in advance of the speech. It was on a teleprompter.
One wonders if Cruz wasn't set up to have Trump enter the Hall exactly when Cruz was finishing to elicit that negative response.
Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump 2h2 hours ago
the new JUSTICES appointed will destroy us all!
So, who’s the brilliant one now, eh?
Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump 2h2 hours ago
Ted Cruz talks about the Constitution but doesn't say that if the Dems win the Presidency, the new JUSTICES appointed will destroy us all!
Here's what Trump had to say about that pledge.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=lKVCHuhIZ40
No one can criticize Trump now that he let his opponent have his say. Trump gave Cruz the rope, it was Cruz’s choice to use it to hang himself.
Trump would have been criticized if he’d exercised prior restraint and prevented Cruz from speaking. People would have said he was too thin-skinned to risk criticism and Cruz could have lied and said he was going to endorse Trump.
Instead the world now knows what a small, petty, arrogant, and selfish rat Ted Cruz really is. He will be remembered as “Lyin’ Ted” - who did not live up to his own promise. Thank God he will not be our President!
So, who’s the brilliant one now, eh?
The fact the Trump fanatics continue to hate-bash Cruz and Conservatives who will not support and genuflect their prince, tells you that it is not Hillary they fear, hate and loathe….
… it's you and me.
Trump is Hillary's Trojan Stalking Horse and his mob of zealots want blood: yours - not Hillary's.
Well, now, that explains some of the fresh faced trolls.
Another Trump Family Ping?
Only intersite?
Trolling FR to bring people over here to run us off?
Oh my. Such upstanding people. Save it for Hillary you jerks.
georgiafl says:
July 21, 2016 at 10:45 am
Hmmm
RNC sources: @tedcruz "speech different than version he gave RNC in advance." Officials + Cruz had to be physically separated after. #GOP
— David Shuster (@DavidShuster) July 21, 2016
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georgiafl says:
July 21, 2016 at 10:50 am
One RNC official called Cruz’s speech “classless,” while a senior GOP operative on the convention floor told Fox… https://t.co/iLnWqXag2x
— PolitiJim (@PolitiJim) July 21, 2016
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georgiafl says:
July 21, 2016 at 10:52 am
sources tell me that Cruz went off-script on his speech last night from what he officially submitted to the RNC.
— Richard Grenell (@RichardGrenell) July 21, 2016
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/07/21/a-deeper-look-into-ted-cruzs-rnc-convention-speech/#comments
Thanks for confirming why I won't be voting for Trump in November. For Trump and his supporters, at the end of the day, it's always about getting one over on someone. A Trump supporter can't even conceive of standing on principle for its own sake. It's like I said, devolution. At this point there really is no distinction between Trump supporters and the Arab street on a Friday afternoon.
Here's one thing those chickensh*ts don't understand... Here, they won't have Jim "Rolling Thunder" Robinson to threaten "zot" whenever someone stands up to their crap.
So you're using Establishment insiders as proof that Cruz...is an outsider and not an Establishment insider.
That was what he was supposed to have said per his speech he provided. Newt had to ad lib at that point. As others have posted evidence supporting it, I was proven right. So to answer your question would get me banned.
Here's one thing those chickensh*ts don't understand... Here, they won't have Jim "Rolling Thunder" Robinson to threaten "zot" whenever someone stands up to their crap.
georgiafl says:
July 21, 2016 at 10:45 am
Hmmm
RNC sources: @tedcruz "speech different than version he gave RNC in advance." Officials + Cruz had to be physically separated after. #GOP
— David Shuster (@DavidShuster) July 21, 2016
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georgiafl says:
July 21, 2016 at 10:50 am
One RNC official called Cruz’s speech “classless,” while a senior GOP operative on the convention floor told Fox… https://t.co/iLnWqXag2x
— PolitiJim (@PolitiJim) July 21, 2016
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georgiafl says:
July 21, 2016 at 10:52 am
sources tell me that Cruz went off-script on his speech last night from what he officially submitted to the RNC.
— Richard Grenell (@RichardGrenell) July 21, 2016
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/07/21/a-deeper-look-into-ted-cruzs-rnc-convention-speech/#comments
As I see it, Trump could not lose by letting Cruz have his chance to speak. Either Cruz would endorse (good) or he would commit political suicide (also good).
I suspect it was the seasoned political operative Paul Manafort who made these options clear because when you look at it as he would, either way it helps to unify the party. Having chosen the low-road, Cruz has less support today than he did yesterday, more of his supporters have come to see him as the arrogant, petty rat that he is, and that means they are more open to supporting Trump themselves.
No they don't. I'd love mkjessup to come over here just so we could play birthday pinata with him/her.
I'd like to be on your welcoming committee for Mr. Jessup. lol
No one can criticize Trump now that he let his opponent have his say. Trump gave Cruz the rope, it was Cruz’s choice to use it to hang himself.
Trump would have been criticized if he’d exercised prior restraint and prevented Cruz from speaking. People would have said he was too thin-skinned to risk criticism and Cruz could have lied and said he was going to endorse Trump.
Instead the world now knows what a small, petty, arrogant, and selfish rat Ted Cruz really is. He will be remembered as “Lyin’ Ted” - who did not live up to his own promise. Thank God he will not be our President!
So, who’s the brilliant one now, eh?
Stay tuned for the answer on the morning of the first Wednesday in November.
I want to congratulate Donald Trump on winning the nomination last night.
And, like each of you, I want to see the principles that our party believes prevail in November.
Of which year?
The fact the Trump fanatics continue to hate-bash Cruz and Conservatives who will not support and genuflect their prince, tells you that it is not Hillary they fear, hate and loathe….
… it's you and me.
Trump is Hillary's Trojan Stalking Horse and his mob of zealots want blood: yours - not Hillary's.
Of which year?
Ann Coulter @AnnCoulter
4h4 hours ago
"Last night, Cruz showed that he's earned a leading role in the nation's political future. And that nation is Canada."
No they don't. I'd love mkjessup to come over here just so we could play birthday pinata with him/her.
Exactly. I figure that Trump and his lackeys have now permanently alienated about 1-2 million conservative voters with their antics.
Ron White got it right....... "You can't fix stupid"
I'd like to be on your welcoming committee for Mr. Jessup. lol
He sure did. I'm giving Castle and Johnson the once over and if that doesn't pan out, I'll sit it out and vote down ticket. Either way, Trump does not get my vote. And should Trump lose, well, it's their own damned fault. They put their need to emote, and achieve some level of catharsis via Trump above the needs of the country. In actuality it is the Trump supporter that is sitting out this election.
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Hopefully he/she is one of them.
Essentially what the Trumpettes are telling the rest of us is: "We FUBAR'd the entire process and you all have to help clean it up, or.... HILLARY!!!!"
"I am done, with Ted Cruz"....Probably just another one of those who was 'done' with Cruz in January...
Jeff Kuhner WRKO 680am out of Boston who is @ the RNC Convention...
http://www.wrko.com/kuhner-report
You just continue to prove that wide is the gate that leads to destruction.
As if 90% of the population seig-heiling a madman would move the principled to abandon their cores and join the lemmings who will follow him to perdition.
Better start learning how to attack Hillary's hordes, because up until now - all your invective and hatred is consistently aimed at those you have run out of your party.
Because as I said - it's not Hillary you fear and hate - it's those of us who will not support you or your prince.
He sure did. I'm giving Castle and Johnson the once over and if that doesn't pan out, I'll sit it out and vote down ticket. Either way, Trump does not get my vote. And should Trump lose, well, it's their own damned fault. They put their need to emote, and achieve some level of catharsis via Trump above the needs of the country. In actuality it is the Trump supporter that is sitting out this election.
We propose that the United States
repudiate any commitment, express or implied, to send U.S. troops to participate in foreign conflicts, whether unilaterally, under NATO auspices, or as a part of the United Nations “peace-keeping” operations;
Ted Cruz Fundraises Off His Donald Convention Snub
http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/07/21/ted-cruz-fundraises-off-his-donald-trump-convention-snub/
Heh-heh... get 'em, Ted!
Essentially what the Trumpettes are telling the rest of us is: "We FUBAR'd the entire process and you all have to help clean it up, or.... HILLARY!!!!"Trump crashes our party and sh!ts in the punch. But it's Cruz's fault we can't all get along cuz he won't drink with everyone else.
Probably just another one of those who was 'done' with Cruz in January...
and February....
and March....
and a couple of times in April....
and in May....
There have been a lot of those who were "finally done with Cruz" on TOS, at least once a week.
It is just another form of trolling.
Annie, like Sarah is increasingly becoming irrelevant as well, they are both showing quite a few wrinkles of late.If they keep it up (and someone finds the paintings) they'll look like
I gave them the once-over and I'm unimpressed with a couple of their principles. They're pretty isolationist. Basically, they're repudiating NAFTA and other trade pacts as well as NATO.
For example, from their Foreign Policy page (https://www.constitutionparty.com/foreign-policy1/):
I'm not a fan of abandoning NATO. Circumspection in military use, yes. Isolationism, no.
Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump 2h2 hours ago
Ted Cruz talks about the Constitution but doesn't say that if the Dems win the Presidency, the new JUSTICES appointed will destroy us all!
Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump 2h2 hours ago
Ted Cruz talks about the Constitution but doesn't say that if the Dems win the Presidency, the new JUSTICES appointed will destroy us all!
That's actually pretty clever. It's on a par with "render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's." Which, when you get right down to it, doesn't leave very much for Caesar!That speech was well crafted, imho. It fastidiously avoided pointing fingers or the bitterness which could so easily have crept in after months of character assassination by the "winner", something offensive to any American armed with a few facts and a sense of fair play.
Another lie. Ted Cruz has been saying exactly that his entire political career. It is his core issue.
You just continue to prove that wide is the gate that leads to destruction.
As if 90% of the population seig-heiling a madman would move the principled to abandon their cores and join the lemmings who will follow him to perdition.
Better start learning how to attack Hillary's hordes, because up until now - all your invective and hatred is consistently aimed at those you have run out of your party.
Because as I said - it's not Hillary you fear and hate - it's those of us who will not support you or your prince.
And he needs to bring his life partner VandeKoik with him/her.
That's exactly right. They went out and had unprotected sex now they want us to pay for the abortion. Literally and figuratively.
You just continue to prove that wide is the gate that leads to destruction.Thats pretty good at projection for somebody who is trying to force change after the fact. Look in the mirror. You are the tiny group of fanatics trying to force your will on the majority of Conservatives because of some self-claimed perception of superiority. Personally I have yet to see anything to respect over people who cannot see that Hilary is not an option for America that we can survive. Facts do not matter to you it seems. Most of what you complain about is minor considering the danger America is facing.
As if 90% of the population seig-heiling a madman would move the principled to abandon their cores and join the lemmings who will follow him to perdition.
Better start learning how to attack Hillary's hordes, because up until now - all your invective and hatred is consistently aimed at those you have run out of your party.
Because as I said - it's not Hillary you fear and hate - it's those of us who will not support you or your prince.
I gave them the once-over and I'm unimpressed with a couple of their principles. They're pretty isolationist. Basically, they're repudiating NAFTA and other trade pacts as well as NATO.
For example, from their Foreign Policy page (https://www.constitutionparty.com/foreign-policy1/):
I'm not a fan of abandoning NATO. Circumspection in military use, yes. Isolationism, no.
Thats pretty good at projection for somebody who is trying to force change after the fact. Look in the mirror. You are the tiny group of fanatics trying to force your will on the majority of Conservatives because of some self-claimed perception of superiority. Personally I have yet to see anything to respect over people who cannot see that Hilary is not an option for America that we can survive. Facts do not matter to you it seems. Most of what you complain about is minor considering the danger America is facing.
I treat people as they treat me. Since you are a jerk to me I return the favor. If you want to be civil stop the unchristian acts and behave like an adult having a civil conversation.
georgiafl says:
July 21, 2016 at 10:45 am
Hmmm
RNC sources: @tedcruz "speech different than version he gave RNC in advance." Officials + Cruz had to be physically separated after. #GOP
— David Shuster (@DavidShuster) July 21, 2016
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georgiafl says:
July 21, 2016 at 10:50 am
One RNC official called Cruz’s speech “classless,” while a senior GOP operative on the convention floor told Fox… https://t.co/iLnWqXag2x
— PolitiJim (@PolitiJim) July 21, 2016
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georgiafl says:
July 21, 2016 at 10:52 am
sources tell me that Cruz went off-script on his speech last night from what he officially submitted to the RNC.
— Richard Grenell (@RichardGrenell) July 21, 2016
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/07/21/a-deeper-look-into-ted-cruzs-rnc-convention-speech/#comments
CRUZ DIDN'T ENDORSE HOLY ORANGE GLORIOUS!!!!!I like it, but shouldn't it be Holy Orange Julius, as in the Emperor he sees himself?
888ohnoes
Unnamed sources, eh? Didn't you people learn the lesson about not trusting "unnamed sources" when you did Roger Simon's dirty work in pushing that narrative about Cruz' nonexistent affairs?
The only thing this has me wondering is if its even possible for Trump to avoid sounding like a contentious jackass when referring to Cruz.
Another lie. Ted Cruz has been saying exactly that his entire political career. It is his core issue.
If Trump is not a Conservative, then why was Cruz campaigning with him? Why did they basically agree on the issues without having to track down those stories?
Why were Trump's and Cruz's views lumped together as similar. I see, Cruz is always on the correct side.
When Cruz is called Conservative, it's always right, if Trump is, it's always wrong.
Just like the long line of conservatives endorsing Trump, Gingrich, Santorum, Huckabee, etc. they are always wrong compared to the Senator who has campaigned with Trump, with Palin and got Rush Limbaugh's endorsement as Cruz did. Rush was right then, but wrong in other cases.
Perhaps we should ask what Cruz has done in concrete terms that is conservative, not the words, but accomplishments that a Pence, Perry or Walker can point too and though he may have had success as Solicitor General, that is still an un-elected office and taking those cases were part of his job.
No one can criticize Trump now that he let his opponent have his say. Trump gave Cruz the rope, it was Cruz’s choice to use it to hang himself.QuoteYou wish! I will never be a blindly following sycophant for anyone, especially not a duplicitous back stabber. Why would I intentionally aid in foisting another four years of an obama administration on America? And the saddest thing is that you will read that as referring to Hillary, if you read it at all.
I find it incredibly hilarious that Trump is hours away from accepting the nomination, and he is Insult Tweeting.
Too damn funny.
I find it incredibly hilarious that Trump is hours away from accepting the nomination, and he is Insult Tweeting.
Too damn funny.
Freepers 2008 - We won't support McCain just because he's the nominee.
Freepers 2012 - We won't support Romney just because he's the nominee.
Freepers 2016 - We must support Trump because he's the nominee.
At least the GOPe, as much as I despise them, are consistent.
I treat people as they treat me. Since you are a jerk to me I return the favor. If you want to be civil stop the unchristian acts and behave like an adult having a civil conversation.
Thats pretty good at projection for somebody who is trying to force change after the fact. Look in the mirror. You are the tiny group of fanatics trying to force your will on the majority of Conservatives because of some self-claimed perception of superiority.
Personally I have yet to see anything to respect over people who cannot see that Hilary is not an option for America that we can survive. Facts do not matter to you it seems. Most of what you complain about is minor considering the danger America is facing.
Thats pretty good at projection for somebody who is trying to force change after the fact. Look in the mirror. You are the tiny group of fanatics trying to force your will on the majority of Conservatives because of some self-claimed perception of superiority. Personally I have yet to see anything to respect over people who cannot see that Hilary is not an option for America that we can survive. Facts do not matter to you it seems. Most of what you complain about is minor considering the danger America is facing.
I treat people as they treat me. Since you are a jerk to me I return the favor. If you want to be civil stop the unchristian acts and behave like an adult having a civil conversation.
Ann Coulter @AnnCoulterOOH!, Ann Coulter, did you love her and quote her when she was pimping Romney? Well now that you have quoted a political pundit, you have convinced me.........that political pundits can and will be idiots.
4h4 hours ago
"Last night, Cruz showed that he's earned a leading role in the nation's political future. And that nation is Canada."
You pretty much nailed that. These people are the "Return of Soreloserman"
Just damn...after 8 years of Presidential Fiat via Executive Order, we're going to get Presidential Fiat via Twitter?Well what else could one expect from a Twit?
At least with FDR, you had regular "Fireside Chats". With Trump, we're going to get Saturday Night Twitter Wars.
Are we going to court or attempting to block the coronation of your prince as your standard-bearer? You who boo the Constitution?
You pretty much nailed that. These people are the "Return of Soreloserman"In comparison to what, the "Rise of Sorewinnerman"
From what I've seen, you would if you could.
Do what's right for the country. Keep Hillary from the WH.
In comparison to what, the "Rise of Sorewinnerman"
Why even bother with us or Cruz, were irrelevant, your guy said he doesn't need us to win and yet how many harangue the nevertrumps to come over to the darkside. And if Cruz has destroyed his career, then you have one and should move on to attacking Hillary...............and yet here you are.
Why anyone would think Ann Coulter relevant to anything is beyond me!
Cruz will never be President. Most women find Cruz creepy. Women may not like Trump but they do not find him creepy for the most part
Cruz will never be President. Most women find Cruz creepy. Women may not like Trump but they do not find him creepy for the most part
Cruz will never be President. Most women find Cruz creepy. Women may not like Trump but they do not find him creepy for the most part
You mean like when Trump said he'd date his daughter on national TV. Except of course if she wasn't his daughter.
They should. Trump makes Howard Stern blush, he makes Larry Flynt worry about his soul. This is how perverted and vile the man is.....and makes Bill Clinton look like a choirboy
Intelligent women find the Donald very creepy. I know I do. I don't find Sen. Cruz the least bit creepy.
They should. Trump makes Howard Stern blush, he makes Larry Flynt worry about his soul. This is how perverted and vile the man is.
No, they find him a cad. Not the same as creepy
@beandog
A man who was lying nude on the bed of paegant contestants when they went to their hotel rooms
No one can criticize Trump now that he let his opponent have his say. Trump gave Cruz the rope, it was Cruz’s choice to use it to hang himself.
Trump would have been criticized if he’d exercised prior restraint and prevented Cruz from speaking. People would have said he was too thin-skinned to risk criticism and Cruz could have lied and said he was going to endorse Trump.
Instead the world now knows what a small, petty, arrogant, and selfish rat Ted Cruz really is. He will be remembered as “Lyin’ Ted” - who did not live up to his own promise. Thank God he will not be our President!
So, who’s the brilliant one now, eh?
They should. Trump makes Howard Stern blush, he makes Larry Flynt worry about his soul. This is how perverted and vile the man is.
Cruz will never be President. Most women find Cruz creepy. Women may not like Trump but they do not find him creepy for the most part
No, they find him a cad. Not the same as creepy"CAD
@beandog
Intelligent women find the Donald very creepy. I know I do. I don't find Sen. Cruz the least bit creepy.
You can bet Trump's close connections to Jeffrey Epstein will be getting some attention.
No, they find him a cad. Not the same as creepy
@beandog
...on every major network, after Bill Clinton is airbrushed out of every picture with Epstein.
A lot of things are beyond you, Big. But, don't fret. We're just human.
Take me. It's beyond me how you could hold two opposing views. I've heard you argue Cruz is ineligible to be president under the constitution because of the circumstances of his birth in Canada, and yet at the same time you argue we should risk putting Cruz up as our nominee against a billion dollar democrat effort to elect Hillary Clinton. :huh?: Which is it?
You see, that's beyond me.
If they keep it up (and someone finds the paintings) they'll look like
Sorry, you are wrong. They find him creepy because he is creepy.
In comparison to what, the "Rise of Sorewinnerman"
Why even bother with us or Cruz, were irrelevant, your guy said he doesn't need us to win and yet how many harangue the nevertrumps to come over to the darkside. And if Cruz has destroyed his career, then you have one and should move on to attacking Hillary...............and yet here you are.
Stop the rhetoric and I'll go away.
The pure seething hatred for anything conservative from the Trump Side is simply appalling
Kind a fun you how everyone loved Cruz until this election. You never heard a "conservative" say Cruz was creepy before Trump set his plan in motion.
The fact the Trump fanatics continue to hate-bash Cruz and Conservatives who will not support and genuflect their prince, tells you that it is not Hillary they fear, hate and loathe….
… it's you and me.
The fact the Trump fanatics continue to hate-bash Cruz and Conservatives who will not support and genuflect their prince, tells you that it is not Hillary they fear, hate and loathe….Conservatives? Seems the conservatives are the ones working to defeat Hilary and not the ones trying to sabotage the GOP nominees. Its called fruit of the tree. Fact, the attacks we see now on Trump-Pence now that they are officially the GOP nominees have no conservative justification. Nothing you are doing saying or posting will unseat Trump, it only helps democrats, and that is anti-conservative.
… it's you and me.
Cruz supporters, including myself, are disappointed in him today.
Many of us thought it was the likes of Crystal, Romney etc that were neverTrumps not, Cruz.
From what I've seen, you would if you could.Y'know, Trump is your nominee (I didn't vote for him, and will not give him my vote. (Hillary won't get it either, so don't bother with that nonsense, thankyouverymuch.)
Do what's right for the country. Keep Hillary from the WH.
Cruz will never be President. Most women find Cruz creepy. Women may not like Trump but they do not find him creepy for the most partLOL! The lump in his pants they're after is his wallet.
Please, @ Smokin Joe, do not subject us to that photo again. Drop it down a few thousand feet in one of the wells you plug.I'm sorry, it was rotten of me. I even got a small image so folks with 'older' eyes wouldn't suffer so much trauma. :whistle:
Trump does not share his values or principles, Trump attacked his family in a vile and vulgar manner. Trump never apologized.
I would have been disappointed if Ted had endorsed Trump. It would be the end of his career to endorse Trump.
Ted Cruz gave the perfect speech. Nothing objectionable about it.
Essentially what the Trumpettes are telling the rest of us is: "We FUBAR'd the entire process and you all have to help clean it up, or.... HILLARY!!!!"
@geronlIt will be an interesting meltdown if he loses, but even worse if he wins and they have to confront what they have done instead of blame the rest of us.
There was nothing at all wrong with the speech. What they are really mad about is we are not praising their Lord and Savior. They think this long-time Dim and friend of Hillary is going to save us from Hillary.
@geronl
There was nothing at all wrong with the speech. What they are really mad about is we are not praising their Lord and Savior. They think this long-time Dim and friend of Hillary is going to save us from Hillary.
Conservatives? Seems the conservatives are the ones working to defeat Hilary and not the ones trying to sabotage the GOP nominees. Its called fruit of the tree. Fact, the attacks we see now on Trump-Pence now that they are officially the GOP nominees have no conservative justification. Nothing you are doing saying or posting will unseat Trump, it only helps democrats, and that is anti-conservative.
I think what us Constitutional, limited government type conservatives find most disappointing about this election year is the lost opportunity. No one is going to disagree that the GOP Establishment needed to go but we are sure the answer isn't Progressive Nationalism /Populism.
Hillary Clinton is toxic and this shouldn't even be a contest but instead the GOP nominates someone with higher negatives than her. And whose running one of the most divided conventions and incompetent campaigns I've seen
Here's what Trump had to say about that pledge.
We've already established that Trump has dirtbag tendencies.
That doesn't give Cruz license to renege on a pledge for personal vendetta reasons.
To which we should all reply "not my circus...not my monkeys".Not even 25% of GOP voters in the Primary, per #neverTrump logic that means 75% of conservatives voted against Cruz. Then in the Rules Committee where the most effort to stack it with Cruz delegates there were 12 out of 112. On the floor of the convention there were barely enough delegates to muster 6 states for the anti's maneuver. Turns out it was only about 10% of delegates. It was reported by several there that Mike Lee was hamming it up looking for cameras to make a scene at. When he did the drama of throwing his credentials on the floor as soon as the camera turned off he picked them up and ran over to another camera.
We've already established that Trump has dirtbag tendencies.
That doesn't give Cruz license to renege on a pledge for personal vendetta reasons.
We've already established that Trump has dirtbag tendencies.
That doesn't give Cruz license to renege on a pledge for personal vendetta reasons.
Bottom line. You do not represent conservatives, the #neverTrump movement was never a conservative movement
I find it funny that a DU member dares to refer to Constitutional Conservatives as Liberal
He didn't renege on anything.
I find it funny that a DU member dares to refer to Constitutional Conservatives as LiberalTwo facts for you: 1 I am a Christian Constitutional Conservative not somebody acting indistinguishable from a liberal attacking the GOP candidates. 2. You have not earned the respect from me to care about what you call me.
Cruz was a whole lot more gracious to Orange Glorious than was deserved. What should never be forgotten is the malicious line of attacks against not only Cruz, but his wife and father. Cruz was dead-on right to avoid endorsing Trump. What pisses off Trumpette nation is Cruz refused to kiss their beloved god-king's ring.
It will be an interesting meltdown if he loses, but even worse if he wins and they have to confront what they have done instead of blame the rest of us.
Why would Trump want an indorsement from a man that he and his team claimed for weeks was a liar, cheat, pedofile child abuser, serial adultery with a wife that was everything form a hag to a whore? Why? Why would he even invite such a man to speak?
Cruz was a whole lot more gracious to Orange Glorious than was deserved. What should never be forgotten is the malicious line of attacks against not only Cruz, but his wife and father. Cruz was dead-on right to avoid endorsing Trump. What pisses off Trumpette nation is Cruz refused to kiss their beloved god-king's ring.
We've already established that Trump has dirtbag tendencies.
That doesn't give Cruz license to renege on a pledge for personal vendetta reasons.
Spot on!
I find it funny that a DU member dares to refer to Constitutional Conservatives as Liberal
Two facts for you: 1 I am a Christian Constitutional Conservative not somebody acting indistinguishable from a liberal attacking the GOP candidates. 2. You have not earned the respect from me to care about what you call me.
I do not consider attacking Trump all the time to be an example of conservative credentials - can see the exact same conduct from liberals. To an outsider looking in how could they tell you are not a DU denizen?
I do not consider attacking Trump all the time to be an example of conservative credentials - can see the exact same conduct from liberals.
It will be an interesting meltdown if he loses, but even worse if he wins and they have to confront what they have done instead of blame the rest of us.@Smokin Joe @geronl
@Smokin Joe @geronl
And make no mistake about it,his massive ego will NOT allow him to face the chance of losing that big,that publicly. He's "The Donald!",and "The Donald!" doesn't lose because he is a winner,and losing is for losers.
I think what us Constitutional, limited government type conservatives find most disappointing about this election year is the lost opportunity. No one is going to disagree that the GOP Establishment needed to go but we are sure the answer isn't Progressive Nationalism /Populism.
Hillary Clinton is toxic and this shouldn't even be a contest but instead the GOP nominates someone with higher negatives than her. And whose running one of the most divided conventions and incompetent campaigns I've seen
The Late Octiber Surprise, maybe around the same date that McCain all but endorsed Obama.
Too funny. @txradioguy makes a generic statement addressed to no one about a DU member, and Mechanicos immediately recognizes it as himself.
I do not consider attacking Trump all the time to be an example of conservative credentials - can see the exact same conduct from liberals.
Two facts for you: 1 I am a Christian Constitutional Conservative not somebody acting indistinguishable from a liberal attacking the GOP candidates. 2. You have not earned the respect from me to care about what you call me.
I do not consider attacking Trump all the time to be an example of conservative credentials - can see the exact same conduct from liberals. To an outsider looking in how could they tell you are not a DU denizen?
Answer me this then how is it a bad thing that you that Trump didn't get the endorsement from a man that Trump and his own team claimed for weeks was a liar, a cheat, a pedofile child abuser, serial adultery with a wife that was everything from a hag to a whore? Why? Why would he even invite such a man to speak?
Because hes called my that before. But then you have shown an aversion to facts.
Too funny. @txradioguy makes a generic statement addressed to no one about a DU member, and Mechanicos immediately recognizes it as himself.
Consider for a moment a candidate who supports Kelo, taxpayer funding of Planned Parenthood, amnesty for deported illegals, higher taxes for hedge fund managers, arcane trade regulations, prohibitions on a free press, and banning weapons sales to Americans without due process - all liberal positions. Wouldn't a real Conservative be negligent in his/her Conservative duties if he/she didn't point these things out?
And just so you know that I'm not talking about Bernie Sanders here, Sanders doesn't support Kelo. Yet there's a candidate out there (I don't want to mention Trump's name) who lines up to the left of Bernie Sanders. Such a candidate deserves to be attacked 24/7 by Conservatives. Yet you would have us believe that every cop is a criminal and all the sinners saints, and claim to be a Conservative while supporting such a liberal candidate.
I think I've guessed your name. But what's puzzling me is the nature of your game.
Mean it.
Answer me this then how is it a bad thing to you that Trump didn't get the endorsement from a man that Trump and his own team claimed for weeks was a liar, a cheat, a pedofile child abuser, serial adultery with a wife that was everything from a hag to a whore? Why? Why would he even invite such a man to speak?You see Cruz as what his lawyer fabricated image says. Smart people see him as power-hungry, dishonest and phoney.
Smart people see him as power-hungry, dishonest and phoney.
I do not consider attacking Trump all the time to be an example of conservative credentials - can see the exact same conduct from liberals.
Are you still trying to find where in Cruz's speech where he attacked Trump?If I was the only one you would have a point. But many more then there ever were of the "nevers" saw Cruz as going 9 min past his 7 min prepared speech (cutting into Pence's speech time, his likely opponent in 2020) and campaigning for a 2020 run for President. He then tried to dog-whistle the GOPe people while insulting the Conservatives who have supported Trump.
No?
Then you are just a liar.
Because hes about as much of a Constitutional Conservative as I am Muslim.
You see Cruz as what his lawyer fabricated image says. Smart people see him as power-hungry, dishonest and phoney.
The small petty man would not do the right thing and release his dedicated followers (like the ones on here that are attacking Trump fanatically day after day over Hurt Feelings). He was given a chance to do what a person who cared about something other then himself would do. Failing that it, it showcased just how petty, dishonest and selfish Cruz is. Cruz lost a lot of people when he did that.
So to answer your question: Before Cruz spoke he had maybe 10 percent of his dedicated followers holding out hope for him and opposing Trump. After his stupidity its to the point where his own Texas Delegates have people holding up signs saying "Clinton/Cruz 2020." In few months Cruz will be a foot note and the 5 percent or so of his remaining dedicated followers will be still complaining.
We saw from the convention itself/ #neverTrumpers are mostly a media liberal creation that was not large in number. After Cruz immolated himself live in front of millions we have much more unity in the GOP.
Kind a fun you how everyone loved Cruz until this election. You never heard a "conservative" say Cruz was creepy before Trump set his plan in motion.
It did nothing to bring Cruz supporters the were on the fence, into the fold, but I don't think it hurt Cruz as much as everyone seems to think.
I believe that Cruz still has a future in politics.
I have given this a little more thought in the last couple of days.There has been a lot of talk about making America safer, about making America Great Again,
Here we have 2 candidates, they both have big egos. I say this as a Cruz supporter.
Both say they want what is best for or Country, and I believe both of them do.
The speech was seen and approved by the Trump campaign.
Donald himself tweeted that he had read it beforehand.
There is no evidence that the speech was changed.
It was unnecessary for the Trump operatives to whip up the crowd against Cruz, a charge they do not deny.
It did nothing to bring Cruz supporters the were on the fence, into the fold, but I don't think it hurt Cruz as much as everyone seems to think.
At the same time, Cruz's speech didn't help or hurt Trump all that much, either.
As both are self proclaimed Christians, an 2 things we are all taught as children would have gone along way here:
Humility and Forgiveness.
Neither demonstrated this,IMO.
Neither (as far as we know) asked the other what it would take from the other to reach an accord, an agreement, or an endorsement.
Cruz was in a tough spot. he couldn't endorse a candidate that went after his wife and father the way he did.
Trump was in a tough spot. He couldn't have someone who called him a pathological lair, when he dropped out, dictate terms and conditions.
All can argue, and with some merit, who said what first, etc.... it seems kind of small and petty now.
Again, Humility and Forgiveness.
Unfortunately, Pride and Ego got in the way of both, and the real losers here were us, the voters.
Both will live and fight on, and I believe that Cruz still has a future in politics.
Reagan, Ted Kennedy, Chris Christie, all spoke at previous conventions, without mentioning the candidates by name, or giving outright endorsements, and all continued their political careers, and one did go on to become president.
one more point:
We all claim we want politicians, who, right or wrong, stand up for what they believe in, damn the torpedoes.
Here, both do so, and we are all up in arms about it.
So, what do we really want our politicians to be like?
@LMAO
As I have been saying since he announced,he is NOT running to be the president of the United States. He is running to feed his massive ego,and I strongly suspect it was his goomba's,the Clinton's,that talked him into running.
That,of course can never be proven...
You see Cruz as what his lawyer fabricated image says. Smart people see him as power-hungry, dishonest and phoney.
The small petty man would not do the right thing and release his dedicated followers (like the ones on here that are attacking Trump fanatically day after day over Hurt Feelings). He was given a chance to do what a person who cared about something other then himself would do. Failing that it, it showcased just how petty, dishonest and selfish Cruz is. Cruz lost a lot of people when he did that.
So to answer your question: Before Cruz spoke he had maybe 10 percent of his dedicated followers holding out hope for him and opposing Trump. After his stupidity its to the point where his own Texas Delegates have people holding up signs saying "Clinton/Cruz 2020." In few months Cruz will be a foot note and the 5 percent or so of his remaining dedicated followers will be still complaining.
We saw from the convention itself/ #neverTrumpers are mostly a media liberal creation that was not large in number. After Cruz immolated himself live in front of millions we have much more unity in the GOP.
Those are just the delusional fantasies of the riders of the Trump Train who desperately needed to have Cruz turned into a bogeyman to justify Trump's repeated and vicious slander and lies about Cruz, so as to take away focus of Trump's own lack of character and sleazy tactics.
They need a lie to believe because Cruz shines a light and exposes Trumps failings and his false political persona and shows the extreme inadequecies of Trump and his campaign that are utterly incapable of challenging and defeating Hillary.
Problem is the Trump mob doesn't know when to stop. They got their convenient pinata, and are far more content in hitting Cruz than they are Hillary, because deep down they know their candidate is incapable of winning against her.
Now, this is class, Mike Pence; pro-life, Hoosier, loves America.
The likes of Cruz and in fact, supporters too, could learn a lesson.
@LMAO
As I have been saying since he announced,he is NOT running to be the president of the United States.
Can never be proven - exactly right. What you're doing is engaging in the same type of fantasy as those who thought Cruz, Walker, etc. would someone pull out a convention nomination - which didn't happen.
If Trump is all about ego, he would NEVER drop out, especially after having his children (Trumps, too) so publicly involved. They are part of his legacy/reputation, too. Pulling out would be a near universal meltdown for the Trump brand - and so far, the only folks in the race who have done that include Jeb Bush and Ted Cruz, Cruz just this last Wednesday.
@Mechanicos in case Trump runs things like Amway. Mech, if you're a paid shill for Trump, I'd like to sign up under you. :tongue2:
Give it a rest. You are a cheerleader for the indefensible.
Kind a fun you how everyone loved Cruz until this election. You never heard a "conservative" say Cruz was creepy before Trump set his plan in motion.It's interesting who was attacking Ted Cruz when he was making his stands in the Senate: establishment types, moderates and liberals who were afraid of losing.
It's interesting who was attacking Ted Cruz when he was making his stands in the Senate: establishment types, moderates and liberals who were afraid of losing.
Now, look at how many of them are now backing Trump. Cases in point, Mitch McConnell and John Boehner.
So whose side is Trump on, again?
McConnell Tells GOP Senators: We’ll Drop Trump ‘Like A Hot Rock’
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2016/02/27/mcconnell-tells-gop-senators-well-drop-trump-like-a-hot-rock/#ixzz4F9p3JXJj
Problem is the Trump mob doesn't know when to stop. They got their convenient pinata, and are far more content in hitting Cruz than they are Hillary, because deep down they know their candidate is incapable of winning against her.
@Free Vulcan
The REAL problem isn't about their adoration of the Orange Ego. The problem is they are Republican Party groupies that will for the remainder of their lives fall into instant head over heels LOVE with ANY candidate that wins the nomination of the alleged Republican Party. They did this for that evil old bastard Poppy Bush,the first Dim president in Republican clothing,they did it for Boy Jorge,they did it for John McLunatic,and they did it for Mittens. Now they are doing it for the Cookie Monster.
I guarantee you that if DiFi were to change her party affiliation to Republican and run for the WH as a Republican the next cycle,they would instantly fall in love with DiFi and blindly support her. What they NEED most of all is the same thing Donnie Little Hands needs,to be seen as "winners". If the country has to suffer to make it so,well the country just needs to suffer for it's own good.
the #neverTrump movement was never a conservative movement - The leadership of the movement was Liberals and open border Rinos.
Must be some good weed this troll be smokin'.I'm guessing it was sprayed with some kind of noxious pesticide.
Must be some good weed this troll be smokin'.
:bullie smokin:
The irony is its Cruz supporters claiming they are the principled ones who support the Constitution, integrity etc. Yet they ignore the Facts:
Cruz is a senior partner at a very liberal heavy democrat donor law firm that openly supports Obama and Hilary;
that he argued reasonable gun-control in his Amicus Brief to the USSC;
that he ignored the the 1st and 4th Amendment rights of Trump supporters in Chicago;
that he got most of his early funding from a gay billionaire in Texas;
that he continued to solicit large donations from the Gay Marriage proponent people while telling his followers something else entirely; and,
that his wife is a Goldman Sachs' Partner CFR member who was one of the authors of their plan to remove US borders and create a North American Union.
Yeah, you guys are so smart so conservative and are the principled ones...
Meanwhile Rush is now busily trying to paper over Trump's unhinged press conference this morning!
Understandable...non Conservatives and DU Liberals have no concept as to why the folks in the Reagan wing of the GOP despise Trump. You'd actually have to understand the Constitution...have an appreciation for things like freedom and liberty and Conservative principles and values.
You're not the least bit curious about history...otherwise you'd know that what Trump is selling is warmed over Bull Moose Party BS with a side helping of failed Hoover era economic policies that led to the great depression.
No you and others like you are perfectly happy being part of the goon squad for a loudmouth bully who you think is going to get you some kind of revenge against a woman and a party that has received huge ammounts of money and support from the guy yoire backing.
Are you still trying to find where in Cruz's speech where he attacked Trump?
No?
Then you are just a liar.
Meanwhile Rush is now busily trying to paper over Trump's unhinged press conference this morning!
Meanwhile Rush is now busily trying to paper over Trump's unhinged press conference this morning!
He attacked Trump the next morning.
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Meanwhile Rush is now busily trying to paper over Trump's unhinged press conference this morning!
He didn't defame Trump's character; he defined Trump's character.
There has been a lot of talk about making America safer, about making America Great Again,
what I am looking for is "Making America Free Again".
That means less government. That means not surrendering our land, our laws, our people, to foreign governmental authority and asserting our sovereignty. That means reducing the scope and size of the federal Government. If you want to make the Constitutionally Authorized remnant more efficient, by all means, have at, but shrink it first. Get it out of my light sockets, my toilet tank, my kid's heads, public restrooms, back off my business and let me hire whom I choose, and don't make rules for my back yard 2000 miles and three climate zones away, when the only opportunity to even see that land has been from 27000 ft. on the way to the other coast.
And get the government's meathooks out of my pocket.
Why does the Federal Government own (roughly) 3 acres out of every ten in the US? Consider that most of that ownership is West of the Mississippi River, and, for those of us who live here, the Robber Baron is the Government, who also seizes water rights, effectively controlling the use of the rest of that land. Please don't tell me it is so people who will never see that land nor set foot on it can 'appreciate' it, while those of us who live here are fenced out or forced to travel that backcountry on foot or horseback.
That same meddling government, though, has abdicated its duty to guard our borders while projecting 'force' thousands of miles away, even as it shrinks the size of our Armed Forces and reduces the efficiency thereof through social experimentation. Even when it engages in the theater of 'looking out for our safety', it does so by paying attention to every group but that most likely to effect our destruction, to avoid 'profiling'.
The housing bubble, the bust, and the destruction of the savings of millions of Americans was orchestrated through the CRA and other Federal Programs, with requirements which forced financial institutions to either stop making real estate loans or discard the formerly safe and well based banking practices they had used for generations. The middle class suffered, then got to pick up the tab to bail out private corporations at taxpayer expense. If one was a holder of common stock or bonds from those corporations, one likely lost that investment as well as a condition of the Federal Bailout, using tax money.
Unlike a household which has to stop spending when the money runs out, the government continues to borrow more from the banking cartel known as the Federal Reserve. At present, the total debt this country has exceeds GDP. Everything produced in this nation in a year does not meet the amount of the National Debt. Instead of practicing constraint, those tasked with the fiscal matters in our government continue to borrow and spend like a binging ex-wife to be running up the credit cards on the way out the door, while they, themselves, and their staffers are frequently immune to or exempt from the very laws imposed on us. Obamacare is a shining example.
There are many more concerns, but the answer is reducing the size and scope of the Federal Government and returning it to a focus on its Constitutionally assigned duties, for which it was empowered in the first place. Return power to the States and the People which has been usurped, and let each of those States act as it deems appropriate in all but those matters which are necessitated in guarding our borders. Let the people decide how much government they want in their areas, and let them pay for that level of services.
None should be immune to the laws we pass, a concept that goes back to the Magna Carta.
That's just a beginning, but to me the Constitution Party looks better and better.
I have no illusions that 'most' Americans would readily accept the sweeping changes which would accompany a return to the very small and unintrusive amount of Federal Governance outlined in the Constitution, but if this is a question of what America needs, I think that is it.
Cruz supporters started the Wife pictures. [saying this as someone who voted for Cruz]LIE - BUZZZZzzzzzzzzzz
Rush is just an entertainer, remember, just one more celebutard.
Cruz supporters started the Wife pictures. [saying this as someone who voted for Cruz]That lie again? Maybe we should just post each documented debunking of the stock lies and keep a file of links so we can refer you to the appropriate correct information.
I agree with what you say.Don't give up the ship, friend. We have not yet begun to fight!
I wrote my piece before the day had the next Trump fiasco, rehashing all that Ted Cruz stuff.
I give up, I just flat give up.
I don't know if the Constitution Party made it on the Texas Ballot or not.
I seem to think it do not, the last time I checked, but I don't know now.
The irony is its Cruz supporters claiming they are the principled ones who support the Constitution, integrity etc. Yet they ignore the Facts:
that his wife is a Goldman Sachs' Partner CFR member who was one of the authors of their plan to remove US borders and create a North American Union.
Yeah, you guys are so smart so conservative and are the principled ones... :facepalm2:
That lie again? Maybe we should just post each documented debunking of the stock lies and keep a file of links so we can refer you to the appropriate correct information.
I also have some news for you.
No one would have posted any nude pics of the candidate's wife if there were no nude pictures of the candidate's wife around to be posted.
Apparently, those were available or they would not have been posted by that independent PAC (that happened to be a bunch of Rubio supporters). If they'd been obtained surreptitiously, someone would surely have been sued. That's how Trump rolls.
I know that the hardcore won't even click the links. Well, we both know that, from repeatedly explaining those facts to every one of them who, when losing an argument (or sometimes, when another is), will throw that cowpie back into the barn.
btw, keeping a stock file of rebuttals against their stock lies won't do any good. They don't care about truth. You can prove them liars today, yet they will be right back tomorrow repeating the same lie. It's really sad.
Trump has given nearly twice as much money to the GOP than Democrats since '89.
http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/jul/09/ben-ferguson/donald-trumps-campaign-contributions-democrats-and/
. In 2011, a Washington Post analysis of Trump’s donations found the majority of them going to Democrats. But the flow of cash from Trump to Democrats has fallen off; the last time he gave to a Democrat running for federal office was in 2010.
Don't give up the ship, friend. We have not yet begun to fight!
Vindicate me, Lord, for I have led a blameless life; I have trusted in the Lord and have not faltered.
Test me, Lord, and try me, examine my heart and my mind; for I have always been mindful of your unfailing love and have lived in reliance on your faithfulness.
I do not sit with the deceitful, nor do I associate with hypocrites. I abhor the assembly of evildoers and refuse to sit with the wicked.
Thanks for the link. It documents Trump support for Republicans is quite recent.
I read this (Psalm 26:1-5) today and Ted Cruz immediately came to mind.Thanks! I like that!
If I was the only one you would have a point. But many more then there ever were of the "nevers" saw Cruz as going 9 min past his 7 min prepared speech (cutting into Pence's speech time, his likely opponent in 2020) and campaigning for a 2020 run for President. He then tried to dog-whistle the GOPe people while insulting the Conservatives who have supported Trump.
btw, keeping a stock file of rebuttals against their stock lies won't do any good. They don't care about truth. You can prove them liars today, yet they will be right back tomorrow repeating the same lie. It's really sad.
He attacked Trump the next morning.
Stll @Mechanicos told a outright lie and he refuses to admit it.He said Trump insulted his wife and Father as his excuse for being an ass. Did not happen, That's doubling down. You owe me an apology for falsely alleging I'm untruthful just because I win arguments. Knock it off and act like an adult.
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Look what I found:Oh looky its a known anti-Trump source LYING about it again. He added 2 sentences at the beginning and ran over time by almost double. Why did they leave that out? Oh yeah they like manipulating you...
So what was that “nasty” added line in the “first two sentences?”
The text of Cruz’s speech as it was prepared for delivery was released by the RNC before Cruz took the stage and the first few sentences read:
Thank you. Heidi and I are honored to join you here in Cleveland, where Lebron James just led an incredible comeback victory. I’m convinced America is going to come back too.
I congratulate Donald Trump on winning the nomination last night.
Conventions are times of excitement. But given the events of the last few weeks, I hope you’ll allow me a moment to talk to you about what’s really at stake.
Now, Time magazine has a transcript of Cruz’s delivered remarks, and if we put the “added” sentences in bold it reads:
Thank you, and god bless each and every one of you.
Heidi and I are so honored to join you here in Cleveland where LeBron James just lead an incredible comeback victory, and I am convinced America is going to come back too.
(APPLAUSE)
I want to congratulate Donald Trump on winning the nomination last night.
(APPLAUSE)
And, like each of you, I want to see the principles that our party believes prevail in November.
Conventions are times of excitement, but given the events of the last few weeks I hope you’ll allow me a moment to talk to you about what’s really at stake.
So, umm, which one of those sentences were “nasty?” Surely it wasn’t “God bless each and every one of you.” Likewise, it couldn’t have been “I am convinced America is going to come back too?"
Was it, “And, like each of you, I want to see the principles that our party believes in prevail in November?”
Trump said he thought it was very “dishonorable” of Sen. Cruz to add one of those sentences, that Cruz was “implying something.”
- See more at: https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2016/07/trump-is-right-ted-cruz-did-add-a-line-to-his-speech#sthash.eRkdIktI.dpuf
Oh looky its a known anti-Trump source LYING about it again. He added 2 sentences at the beginning and ran over time by almost double. Why did they leave that out? Oh yeah they like manipulating you...
How many times do the same sources have to be proven wrong before you stop lapping up every piece of BS anti-Trump propaganda the open Border's crowd (who wants Hillary) puts out?
Remember 100 percent record of being wrong is still unbroken.
Oh looky its a known anti-Trump source LYING about it again. He added 2 sentences at the beginning and ran over time by almost double. Why did they leave that out? Oh yeah they like manipulating you...
How many times do the same sources have to be proven wrong before you stop lapping up every piece of BS anti-Trump propaganda the open Border's crowd (who wants Hillary) puts out?
Remember 100 percent record of being wrong is still unbroken.
LIE - BUZZZZzzzzzzzzzz
The pictures were in GQ magazine (I think), first of all. Trump was there and approved of them being taken on his plane.
They were recently republished by the magazine because Trump was running for President.
An independent PAC, which did not endorse candidates as far as I know, and was run by a Rubio voter used them in ads.
There was NO connection to Ted Cruz. None.
Go ahead and find a different source.
Don't give up the ship, friend. We have not yet begun to fight!
To get Hillary elected....
You're talking to irrational people, Mechanicos. They're constitutionally incapable of being swayed by logic or reason.
Oh looky its a known anti-Trump source LYING about it again. He added 2 sentences at the beginning and ran over time by almost double. Why did they leave that out? Oh yeah they like manipulating you...
How many times do the same sources have to be proven wrong before you stop lapping up every piece of BS anti-Trump propaganda the open Border's crowd (who wants Hillary) puts out?
Remember 100 percent record of being wrong is still unbroken.
To get Hillary elected....That is exactly what you and the rest of the tRumpbots are doing. Working to get Hillary elected. Doing a fine job of too.
Thanks for the link. It documents Trump support for Republicans is quite recent.
That is exactly what you and the rest of the tRumpbots are doing. Working to get Hillary elected. Doing a fine job of too.
That is exactly what you and the rest of the tRumpbots are doing. Working to get Hillary elected. Doing a fine job of too.
When the same source publishes something spiffy and nice about their prince, he will be the first to trumpet it.
The guy is either a paid Operative or a fanatical True Believer who wants to have Trump's baby.
So says you..
....
and this is hardly the same sort of 'attack'.
Just when I think #nevertrumps would start getting over their hangovers, this filth gets posted.
I will say this clearly. Before the refugees came here, that filth would not stand.
And from somebody which purports to hold high religious values.
Really? if not Trump, then who would you vote for?
Check out the polls, it's quite a close race.
We have not yet begun to fight.
To get Hillary elected....Actually, this time I view either major party option as unacceptable.
ThisNot!
Panties? Trump's out of wedlock baby? Oh, my! What's becoming of this place?
Oh I don't know, promises of death for treason by Trump Militants? Fantasizing about 'stringing up Nevertrumps' and/or shooting or hanging us for treason and betrayal?
Be sure to hit the 'report to moderator' button. The mods apparently have nothing better to do but wade through multitudes of complaints sent by you Trump people over every perceived slight you encounter about your prince.
Trump Militants is YOUR fantasy.
where a direct comparison between Trump and Clinton is just beginning. When that happens voters will see two starkly different candidates. And then there will come an ah-ha moment for most voters.
The stars are aligning and I reckon Donald Trump will be the next president of the United States - #NeverTrump not withstanding.
@truth_seeker
I may be wrong,but I think this will help him politically in the future. It shows him to be a man of character. Someone that will stick with what they think is right even if it is unpopular at the time.
ANY fool can join a mob.
I believe you are the one being manipulated here.Logic says that the one who has a perfect record of being proven right has the presumption going forward over the one who has a 100% failure record. When your sources and your arguments have been impeached you do not get to demand anything.
Find something different, to back up Trump's claim about the added line(s) and I will check it out.
I have no fear.
BTW, this thing about accusing everyone who thinks Trump may be a bit of as an open borders crowd person, is just weak.
So, after this convention, if you are pro-Trump, are are you now an LGBTQ enthusiast?
(To quote Seinfeld, "Not that there's anything wrong with that).
Logic says that the one who has a perfect record of being proven right has the presumption going forward over the one who has a 100% failure record. When your sources and your arguments have been impeached you do not get to demand anything.:silly: :silly: :silly: :silly: :silly: :silly: :silly:
I think you are wrong and Cruz ended his chances at the Presidential nomination.
:silly: :silly: :silly: :silly: :silly: :silly: :silly:its the way to bet tho.
Logic says that past performance is no guarantee of future returns.
Logic says that the one who has a perfect record of being proven right has the presumption going forward over the one who has a 100% failure record. When your sources and your arguments have been impeached you do not get to demand anything.
He ended his hopes the same way Reagan did in 1976 when he didn't endorse Ford.Regan did not have a bad reputation tho as a dishonest power hungry political. Even if you do not agree with that the fact is that's how many conservatives see him now after the Primary. And what happened at the convention combined with his morning disaster with the Texas delegation (his donors wanting to attack him, etc) indicates hes in trouble.
It TOTALLY killed his political career.
Regan did not have a bad reputation tho as a dishonest power hungry political. Even if you do not agree with that the fact is that's how many conservatives see him now after the Primary. And what happened at the convention combined with his morning disaster with the Texas delegation (his donors wanting to attack him, etc) indicates hes in trouble.
Trump Militants is YOUR fantasy.
Regan did not have a bad reputation tho as a dishonest power hungry political. Even if you do not agree with that the fact is that's how many conservatives see him now after the Primary. And what happened at the convention combined with his morning disaster with the Texas delegation (his donors wanting to attack him, etc) indicates hes in trouble.Why do you care? Didn't your guy win?
Why do you care? Didn't your guy win?
Why do you care? Didn't your guy win?
Trump Militants is YOUR fantasy.What would it take for you to believe it?
You're talking to irrational people, Mechanicos. They're constitutionally incapable of being swayed by logic or reason.
Unless you just enjoy the argumentation, why bother with them? In the larger picture, they are meaningless - just a few blips on the screen. History will pass them by as Donald Trump will most assuredly beat Hillary Clinton come November.
Very soon these nattering nabobs will fall into irrelevancy. Soon they will find themselves futilely screaming into a dead microphone. Because soon, very soon, people will have stopped listening to their noise and will have gotten behind the effort to make America great again.
In my humble opinion, you're posts just feed their lunacy. I wouldn't talk to them at all, except to discuss the weather.
Even if you do not agree with that the fact is that's how many conservatives see him now after the Primary.
Rita Cosby, a pom pom girl for the trumpanzee was VERY critical of his behavior. She felt he undid all he gained at the convention. She also said people inside the arena couldn't figure out what he was doing when he kept stepping back from the podium. He is beginning to frighten a lot of people who were supporters.
Logic says that the one who has a perfect record of being proven right has the presumption going forward over the one who has a 100% failure record. When your sources and your arguments have been impeached you do not get to demand anything.
In all of this Trump verses Hillary, one fact is overlooked. BHO has a JAR in the 50's. That could end up being a plus for Hillary. Trump can little afford these misstepsJAR?
JAR?
Took me a few minutes, but Job Approval Rating.Thanks! I couldn't pull that one out.
Logic says that the one who has a perfect record of being proven right has the presumption going forward over the one who has a 100% failure record. When your sources and your arguments have been impeached you do not get to demand anything.
JAR - glass container with metal lid.Shaken abruptly, not stirred, no doubt.
JAR:
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Regan did not have a bad reputation tho as a dishonest power hungry political. Even if you do not agree with that the fact is that's how many conservatives see him now after the Primary. And what happened at the convention combined with his morning disaster with the Texas delegation (his donors wanting to attack him, etc) indicates hes in trouble.I actually half expected that when Cruz came out Vince McMahon and three or four WWE wrestlers would jump up on the stage and grab Cruz shave his head and they make a brunt sacrifice to Trump of it. That is exactly the type of campaign he is running just like a WWE big run up to a giant pay per view extravaganza!
Well if Ill Duche is still fighting Cruz, then the dumb bastard is fighting the wrong opponent.
What a genious..
Well if Ill Duche is still fighting Cruz, then the dumb bastard is fighting the wrong opponent.
What a genious..
JAR - glass container with metal lid.
JAR:
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:tongue2:
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Just so you know, the word 'Conservative' is always capitalized. And for the record, Conservatives don't vote for people in favor of universal health care, insurance mandates, touchback amnesty, taxpayer funding of abortion mills, Kelo, denying the right to purchase firearms without due process, etc. The fact that you are willing to do so shows that you are not a Conservative.
Okay, diehard cruzers, tell me this. How come Hugh Hewitt, who was adamantly apposed to Donald Trump's candidacy (more like hated the man with the white hot intensity of a thousand suns), and yet after listening to Mr. Trump's acceptance speech boarded the Trump Train? Yes, that's right, I heard him on his radio show make a compelling case why everyone should vote for Donald Trump.
Now, that tells me that neverTrump is capable of rational thought.
The ball is in your court never Trumps...
Go ahead and find a different source.
Mechanicos is a serial liar, who gets his marching orders from TOS. Pretty much have gotten used to it.Kicking your ass with truth buddy is not lying.
Mechanicos is a serial liar, who gets his marching orders from TOS. Pretty much have gotten used to it.
And you object to Donald Trump because he said, "lying" Ted?
Logic says that the one who has a perfect record of being proven right has the presumption going forward over the one who has a 100% failure record. When your sources and your arguments have been impeached you do not get to demand anything.
Kicking your ass with truth buddy is not lying.
You obviously cannot tell a liar from a truth teller.
Like failing to answer the same question 3 times, by serial obfuscation.
You are too damn funny. Go away Freeper spammer.
Kicking your ass with truth buddy is not lying.
You obviously cannot tell a liar from a truth teller.
You owe me an apology for falsely alleging I'm untruthful just because I win arguments. Knock it off and act like an adult.
Let him stay. We need the laughs.
I concur. Every time he posts, he drives people further away from Trump.
Okay, diehard cruzers, tell me this. How come Hugh Hewitt, who was adamantly apposed to Donald Trump's candidacy (more like hated the man with the white hot intensity of a thousand suns), and yet after listening to Mr. Trump's acceptance speech boarded the Trump Train? Yes, that's right, I heard him on his radio show make a compelling case why everyone should vote for Donald Trump.
Now, that tells me that neverTrump is capable of rational thought.
The ball is in your court never Trumps...
Hugh Hewitt is the voice of Conventional Wisdom - the Compleat Republican Insider.
He has always thus been. Articulate and persuasive, he nonetheless is just a tape-loop for what the RINO brigade wants. He was all for TARP, for example, and was rephrasing the argument that it had to be done to prevent complete collapse of the fiscal system.
Of course he was wrong, as RINOs are always wrong. It CAUSED the destruction of the open, market-based financial system by PREVENTING those outfits that had failed from the consequences of their failure. Their failure and the consequences would have cleared the deck - capitalism's "Creative Destruction" - and then led to inquiries as to WHY, specifically sub-prime mortgage lending mandated by the CRA.
That was when I tuned him out.
He was opposed to Trump because the Party Insiders were opposed to Trump. Their Boy Blunder was Shrub. So he had to join the chorus of those trying to shout Trump down.
Didn't work.
NOW...the Insiders have made their own peace with Trump. They hate him, still, because he cut the line - he didn't pay his dues; he didn't kiss the rings; he didn't spend a lifetime climbing under their watch - but that aside, he's one of Them. An insider...YES. He made his money being an interfacer and graft-channeler with Tammany Hall. What could be more Inside than that? He gave to Establishment pols - not R pols but Estatablishment pols. He wants what they want - "Great Deals" and crony connections. He's malleable. He knows what runs the Status Quo - MONEY.
Cruz was a genuine threat to this comfortable (for them) status quo. And Cruz remains - he must be OBLITERATED. Trump is not...he cut the line; he didn't do it Our Way; but we can live with that.
And if he's a Billary plant, we can live with that, too. That's the RINO view and that's Hewitt's view.
And you object to Donald Trump because he said, "lying" Ted?You misspelled Lion!
SO says reality.
and yes it was an attack and they admitted it was an attack.
Will have to wait for another 24 hours I guess.
Mech has been beamed back to Freeper Mother Ship.
Why do I have the feeling Mech is the same troll as Greeting Puny Humans?
I don't know why Cruz would be upset about that picture except for the fact he has to wake up to that mug every morning.
To get Hillary elected....
Okay, diehard cruzers, tell me this. How come Hugh Hewitt, who was adamantly apposed to Donald Trump's candidacy (more like hated the man with the white hot intensity of a thousand suns), and yet after listening to Mr. Trump's acceptance speech boarded the Trump Train? Yes, that's right, I heard him on his radio show make a compelling case why everyone should vote for Donald Trump.Isn't Trump the one who wants to purge the media of all who don't like him? (By peeling back the First Amendment so more broadcasters, writers, and commentaters can be sued--the mere costs of defending against such can bankrupt the average person, so in effect it is a muzzle on dissent.)
Now, that tells me that neverTrump is capable of rational thought.
The ball is in your court never Trumps...
and yet after listening to Mr. Trump's acceptance speech boarded the Trump Train? Yes, that's right, I heard him on his radio show make a compelling case why everyone should vote for Donald Trump.
I thought we didn't matter?
But really is that all you got?
Why do I have the feeling Mech is the same troll as Greeting Puny Humans?
I thought we didn't matter?
But really is that all you got?
I don't know why Cruz would be upset about that picture except for the fact he has to wake up to that mug every morning.You a BIG MAN, too!
I'm sure there's plenty more where that came from, but we'll need a proctologist and a flashlight to get to it.Nah. Just wait, that too will pass.
If your neverTrump rhetoric leads to a Clinton presidency, then you will matter.
You a BIG MAN, too!
Aside from being a lousy picture instead of a glamor shot, anyone caught in just the wrong light, at the wrong angle, with the wrong expression can appear far worse than they do in day-to-day life.
Whatever the case, it isn't really up to you nor me nor Donny Trump to insult the appearance of another man's wife fro campaign material. There were plenty of issues to discuss.
I must note that you are playing by the donny trump rule book, so YOU a BIG MAN, too.
If your neverTrump rhetoric leads to a Clinton presidency, then you will matter.Hey, we didn't nominate him. We didn't nominate her, either. Own it. You broke it, you bought it.
Personally, I think Heidi is a lovely woman. It's her past positions that make her and Ted ugly.What? Having a job at a bank? Writing a paragraph in a report? What positions? Cite what she said or wrote that you find so ugly. I'm all eyes.
The production of Trump trolls has been outsourced to India and China.
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If your neverTrump rhetoric leads to a Clinton presidency, then you will matter.
What...... are you going to join Mechanicos and kick our asses? :silly:
Hey, we didn't nominate him. We didn't nominate her, either. Own it. You broke it, you bought it.
If your neverTrump rhetoric leads to a Clinton presidency, then you will matter.
I thought you Trump Militants have said we are a small, fringe minority and we are totally and completely irrelevant?
How can we lead to a Clinton presidency simply because we oppose your prince when we are said that we do not matter?
And if we do somehow matter as you fear, because we adamantly refuse to support your madman - what do you intend to do about it?
Personally, I think Heidi is a lovely woman. It's her past positions that make her and Ted ugly.
I voted for Cruz so, I had no dog in that delegation.If you support it, it's all yours.
I don't know why Cruz would be upset about that picture except for the fact he has to wake up to that mug every morning.
Personally, I think Heidi is a lovely woman. It's her past positions that make her and Ted ugly.
Screw your militant crap. [adamantly] Every vote is going to count in this election.
[Free republic derangement syndrome].Possibly the ultimate oxymoron
Your continued war against those of us who refuse to bend the knee to your prince is not helping your chances.
So when you wrote this :
you meant this :
That's an insult to the intelligence of people reading this thread, just as it was when Trump tried the same pitiful evasion. What is the purpose of insulting the wife of a man who is no longer running? Will that draw votes away from Hillary and to Trump? Will that sway independent, undecided voters? Are you trying to help the Republican party gain the White House with that?
Heidi Cruz wrote a paragraph included under “Additional and Dissenting Views” that contended economic investment must be led by the private sector rather than government:QuoteI support the Task Force report and its recommendations aimed at building a safer and more prosperous North America. Economic prosperity and a world safe from terrorism and other security threats are no doubt inextricably linked. While governments play an invaluable role in both regards, we must emphasize the imperative that economic investment be led and perpetuated by the private sector. There is no force proven like the market for aligning incentives, sourcing capital, and producing results like financial markets and profit-making businesses. This is simply necessary to sustain a higher living standard for the poorest among us – truly the measure of our success. As such, investment funds and financing mechanisms should be deemed attractive instruments by those committing the capital and should only be developed in conjunction with market participants.
The paragraph did not address the newly formed SPP, which was enthusiastically endorsed in the first two pages of the CFR report.
Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2015/03/ted-cruz-again-battles-globalist-charge-against-wife/#LQGLSLyTBU3D420U.99
Cruz official apologizes over Rubio video alleging Bible dissFor an Evangelist, a pretty bad thing to do; and yes, as always, well Ted didn't do it directly.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/02/22/cruz-official-apologizes-over-rubio-video-alleging-bible-diss.html
No, nothing like this. Some of us are loyal, we vote for the Bushes, McCains, Romney.
What "positions"? She's never run for or held elective office.
The Bible is the inspired word of God; yet, almost sinfully, out of the Cruz camp came that video where it was alleged Marco Rubio said "there are no answers in there", apparently Rubio said the opposite.
All of this points to, is these politicians are not alone in slinging mud.For an Evangelist, a pretty bad thing to do; and yes, as always, well Ted didn't do it directly.
Some Cruz supporters show they can not carry on a conversation once again without being inflammatory:Loyal to what? Not principle, surely, or the Republican Party wouldn't be on a heading of 270.
No, nothing like this. Some of us are loyal, we vote for the Bushes, McCains, Romney. We know the anti-Romney sentiment probably helped there be a 2nd term for Obama; they hence, helped give us Trump. Some are pragmatic and know they won't get the perfect candidate.
If your neverTrump rhetoric leads to a Clinton presidency, then you will matter.
Better get to work then on courting Bernie Supporters then.
Your continued war against those of us who refuse to bend the knee to your prince is not helping your chances.
If your neverTrump rhetoric leads to a Clinton presidency, then you will matter.
It is Trump that leads to a Clinton presidency
Then you don't know much about her. She was deep into political and world banking circles as well as CFR.
http://www.cosmopolitan.com/politics/news/a55920/heidi-cruz-ted-cruz-wife/
Keep (http://previews.123rf.com/images/idesign2000/idesign20001206/idesign2000120600099/14324602-illustration-of-Detailed-funny-green-parrot-cartoon--Stock-Vector.jpg)ing that view. The Left is loving it.
LOL you put up a flawed candidate and it's my fault?
Man that's desperation.
Nonsense. She was in no position to influence policy. You guys are scraping the bottom of the barrel to justify a crude insult from a vulgar clown who was deeper into political and banking circles and INFLUENCED them.
Nonsense. She was in no position to influence policy. You guys are scraping the bottom of the barrel to justify a crude insult from a vulgar clown who was deeper into political and banking circles and INFLUENCED them.
So be it. My principles haven't changed. The Constitution hasn't changed. My God hasn't changed. Not one word of scripture has changed. And if you spend more money than you have that result hasn't changed.
All that has changed is the Republican Party's demonstrated approach to those principles. Ignore, Ignore, Ignore, and Deny.
Nothing there left to be loyal to, imho.
A pit of vipers; also, his wife
http://www.politico.com/blogs/ben-smith/2011/10/a-pit-of-vipers-also-his-wife-040327
We're talking about Heidi...FOCUS. You don't get to be on the Council of Foreign Relations if you have no influence.
We're talking about Heidi...FOCUS. You don't get to be on the Council of Foreign Relations if you have no influence.
Its a 5000 person membership organization. You apply, a current member recommends you in writing, two or three others attest to your character and you're in.
Its not exactly the Bilderburg Group.
LOL!!! There are 5000 members of the CFR! Just how much influence does one of those FIVE THOUSAND have?
He said Trump insulted his wife and Father as his excuse for being an ass. Did not happen, That's doubling down. You owe me an apology for falsely alleging I'm untruthful just because I win arguments. Knock it off and act like an adult.
Quote from: Mechanicos on July 21, 2016, 07:19:54 PM
I do not consider attacking Trump all the time to be an example of conservative credentials - can see the exact same conduct from liberals.
"Nonsense. She was in no position to influence policy. You guys are scraping the bottom of the barrel to justify a crude insult from a vulgar clown who was deeper into political and banking circles and INFLUENCED them."
First one doesn't know what she did, then, it becomes an accusation on others.
Sorry, if she didn't have the best intentions for America with this North American community nonsense, it's fair game.
Ted Cruz called the CFR a brood of vipers; so, if Heidi was in CFR; guess what?
Has anyone mentioned that Heidi Cruz's Council on Foreign Relations term membership expired in
2011 (http://www.redstate.com/diary/southernconstitutionalist/2016/04/04/the-shocking-truth-about-heidi-cruz/)?
Or that her actual assignment was as part of the group's Task Force on the Future of North
America that produced the 2005 report "Building a North American Community?"
Or, that she actually dissented from the report's conclusions? (She wrote that whatever
role governments do or don't have in North American economics, we must emphasize the
imperative that economic investment be led and perpetuated by the private sector. There is no
force proven like the market for aligning incentives, sourcing capital, and producing results like
financial markets and profit-making businesses. This is simply necessary to sustain a higher
living standard for the poorest among us—truly the measure of our success. [Emphasis
added.])
And, that she is not actually a current member of the CFR?
"Nonsense. She was in no position to influence policy. You guys are scraping the bottom of the barrel to justify a crude insult from a vulgar clown who was deeper into political and banking circles and INFLUENCED them."
First one doesn't know what she did, then, it becomes an accusation on others.
Sorry, if she didn't have the best intentions for America with this North American community nonsense, it's fair game.
Ted Cruz called the CFR a brood of vipers; so, if Heidi was in CFR; guess what?
Don't worry about me, I plan on leaving this circle jerk as soon as the lube runs out. Not quite through with you just yet.
Has anyone mentioned that Heidi Cruz's Council on Foreign Relations term membership expired in
2011 (http://www.redstate.com/diary/southernconstitutionalist/2016/04/04/the-shocking-truth-about-heidi-cruz/)?
Or that her actual assignment was as part of the group's Task Force on the Future of North
America that produced the 2005 report "Building a North American Community?"
Or, that she actually dissented from the report's conclusions? (She wrote that whatever
role governments do or don't have in North American economics, we must emphasize the
imperative that economic investment be led and perpetuated by the private sector. There is no
force proven like the market for aligning incentives, sourcing capital, and producing results like
financial markets and profit-making businesses. This is simply necessary to sustain a higher
living standard for the poorest among us—truly the measure of our success. [Emphasis
added.])
And, that she is not actually a current member of the CFR?
Or that the election is only 108 days away, yet instead of going after Hillary Clinton, Trump supporters here are attacking Heidi Cruz.
Yeah. We figured you guys got some kind of sick perverted sexual gratification from attacking those of us who will not surrender our principles and pledge featly to your prince.
Fits in perfectly with the entire campaign your leader has run.
Okay, diehard cruzers, tell me this. How come Hugh Hewitt, who was adamantly apposed to Donald Trump's candidacy (more like hated the man with the white hot intensity of a thousand suns), and yet after listening to Mr. Trump's acceptance speech boarded the Trump Train? Yes, that's right, I heard him on his radio show make a compelling case why everyone should vote for Donald Trump.
Now, that tells me that neverTrump is capable of rational thought.
The ball is in your court never Trumps...
All such inconvenient facts that neither Trump nor his fans care about or want to be reminded of (truth hurts). They would much rather continue to smear the wife of one of their opponents and engage in the politics of personal destruction....just as the radical left always does. Coincidence? Nope.
You remind me of a Trumpster complaining after Trump's buddies at the National Inquirer did the quickly prove fabricated false story about Crus being a serial adulterer: "I can't vote for an adulterer."
Isn't that a riot!!! :silly:
How about that other story about Cruz's dad helping Oswald.
Isn't the enquirer run out of South Florida. Same place Trump has interests. Same place epstein is from. Same as Matt Drudge.
They probably had meetings to plan this media frenzy
How about that other story about Cruz's dad helping Oswald.
Isn't the enquirer run out of South Florida. Same place Trump has interests. Same place epstein is from. Same as Matt Drudge.
They probably had meetings to plan this media frenzy
If your neverTrump rhetoric leads to a Clinton presidency, then you will matter.
Of course, as old, fat and crazy as the Donald is, chances of him stroking out are high, and then we would have Pence. So things could work out in the end. :whistle:I figure it won't take long before he decides the job of POTUS interferes with whatever he'd rather be doing, so he could step down and give us President Pence. That works for me.
I see many more bannings at FR in the future. The infighting will be delightful.
The argument is ridiculous. Trump has many investments overseas. He has ties to Soros. Hr has ties to the middle east. He has ties to the Clintonstate. It doesn't get any more globalist than Trump.You know, I tried to point that out to people at TOS, they didn't want to know where the yacht went, or why, or that Trump managed to get his brand scraped off a few buildings in Muslim countries, but they are still all in business together. They didn't want to know how much he was leveraged at some of those globalist banking cartel banks, either.
Also fits in with the perverted nature of their idol. I bet there was plenty of lube on Epsteins plane.I'd bet all the oleo wasn't on the oleos...
Trump and Enquirer chief executive David Pecker are close friend and Trump has written a number of articles of them. Their repeatedly going after Cruz and his family was clearly coordinated with the Trump machine.Those articles were timed to coincide with primaries in demographics where the meme would hurt the most. The 'multi-mistress' article ran on the heels of the flap about Cruz supposedly being God's annoinTED, just in time for the Southern Evangelicals to vote, and the Cruz' daddy was in on killing JFK ran just before the NE primaries (if there is any area where the Kennedys are still regards as "American Royalty" (Camelot and all that), that's it.
I figure it won't take long before he decides the job of POTUS interferes with whatever he'd rather be doing, so he could step down and give us President Pence. That works for me.
... and by 'rabid supporters' I mean peopel who angrily support him with such fierceness that they are moved to nasty vile remarks and actions
Or that the election is only 108 days away, yet instead of going after Hillary Clinton, Trump supporters here are attacking Heidi Cruz.
The argument is ridiculous. Trump has many investments overseas. He has ties to Soros. Hr has ties to the middle east. He has ties to the Clintonstate. It doesn't get any more globalist than Trump.
Of course, as old, fat and crazy as the Donald is, chances of him stroking out are high, and then we would have Pence. So things could work out in the end. :whistle:
I actually hope the Donald wins. It'll be a twofer of fun for me. First, the rats cry for a while that Hillary will always be a bridesmaid and never the bride. It's always a good thing to watch rats cry. Then by the time they realize that it's all good and that the Donald is one of them, those of the tRump supporters who still have 2 brain cells left, will begin to realize they've been had. That's what I'm going to truly enjoy. It'll be like Christmas. I see many more bannings at FR in the future. The infighting will be delightful.
I just will not be a party to electing either someone I consider to be nuts, tRump or a criminal, Hillary.
Of course, as old, fat and crazy as the Donald is, chances of him stroking out are high, and then we would have Pence. So things could work out in the end. :whistle:
The Presidency is high stress and we have seen it rapidly age each man in office. Trump may well decide it is too much and step down, although I do think his preference would be to pass the job on to one of his children instead of Pence. He may even think he has the power to do so with an executive order given his lack of knowledge of the workings of government. :silly:
@austingirl
That would be a safe bet to make. The ignorant fool actually thinks the job of VP is to be the presidents assistant.
Melania won't get the East Week, that's where he'll keep the concubines.
And I am guessing they will all be "as good as new" when he leaves office. All flash,no substance.
BTW,do you have any idea if the rumor I am starting about "The Game of Thrones" having a new character next season named "Donald Little Hands"?
@geronl
@austingirl
That would be a safe bet to make. The ignorant fool actually thinks the job of VP is to be the presidents assistant.
I don't watch it, but that is funny.
The argument is ridiculous. Trump has many investments overseas. He has ties to Soros. Hr has ties to the middle east. He has ties to the Clintonstate. It doesn't get any more globalist than Trump.
@Hoodat @EasyAceThese sheep dream of being wolves, even as they feed their lambs to the pack.
You guys are surprised that sheep follow their sheepherder?
Venezuelans thought things would look up once Chavez died tooAnd then there is the Fidel Fadeout--is he officially dead, yet?
These sheep dream of being wolves, even as they feed their lambs to the pack.@Hoodat @EasyAce
These sheep dream of being wolves, even as they feed their lambs to the pack.
Game of Thrones is a GREAT teebee show. One of the best ever. Maybe even the best.
BTW,do you have any idea if the rumor I am starting about "The Game of Thrones" having a new character next season named "Donald Little Hands" is true?
I gave it a shot but there was too much porn for this Christian.
So many people have tried to get me to watch this show, even my hairdresser. But I watched one episode and it was too sick for me.
Contributing to the thread drift….Gratuitous homosexual acts have wrecked shows for me as well. Some are entirely unnecessary to the story line, but once that gets thrown in, the show stops in my house. Ick. Some things I will not bring into my living room.
Actually, if they got rid of all the sordid sex outside of necessary implication for the storyline (incest is the trigger for a lot of what sets everything off) - it could possibly be one of the most terrific medieval fantasy shows of all time right under Lord of the Rings. There has probably never been a better depiction of how medieval life operated than this show, despite the fact it is set in a fictional world and the fantastic elements like dragons are of themselves seen as myth within the peoples of the story itself.
It's a pretty good tale of what people seeking power will do to attain it, How noble castes and houses set themselves up as unbreakable corrupt oligarchies using the serfs as canon fodder for their own power. It's also a great illustration of how entire peoples being so wrapped up in themselves ignore the signs of impending doom for absolutely everyone. As the show has gone on, it's turned into a revelation how underdogs can turn the established order upside down and potentially make the world a better place.
What has made it so addictive is the fact that for a fantasy, no character is safe from being killed off - not even the most popular heroes of the show. For a lot of folks it's like placing bets on who makes it through a season alive and who does not.
The over the top sex is completely unnecessary to tell the story IMO, but it's HBO and that means to automatically throw in full frontal nudity, pornographic sex acts and close ups of male genetalia in order to put their stamp of approval on it.
I like the story and the characters - I do not like the gratuitous sex and think it cheapens the whole thing.
China has a new show planned for 62 episodes called Ice Fantasy that looks interesting. A lot of special effects in the trailer. It sort of like Ice Benders VS Fire Benders (almost exactly like that, as a matter of fact). I saw someone call it "Lord of the Rings: China Edition" (Lord of the Mings??)Great visuals, amazing looking weapons, lets hjope they have a good story to sustain it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdRcmVXqg8M
Gratuitous homosexual acts have wrecked shows for me as well. Some are entirely unnecessary to the story line, but once that gets thrown in, the show stops in my house. Ick. Some things I will not bring into my living room.Scy Fy had a great show on several years ago called "Lost Girl", Great story, compelling characters, solid dialogue. Then they started with the gratuitous homosexual and gratuitous sex stuff and that was it for us. We gave it like 3 episodes to get past it, but that was it. I don't even know if it is still on.
Great visuals, amazing looking weapons, lets hjope they have a good story to sustain it.
The story is set a hundred years after a war between the Empire of Snow (Ice Tribe) and the Fire Tribe, where the Fire Tribe was defeated. However, the war was fatal, leaving Prince Ka Suo and his younger half-brother Ying Kong Shi the only royal heirs and pure-blood ice illusionists left in the Ice Tribe. Conflict ensues after Ka Suo reluctantly ascends to the throne as his lover, Li Luo, and his brother go missing.
Ka Suo also accidentally discovers an evil presence lurking in the Ice Tribe's holy shrine. He and his companions enter the mysterious shrine, and defeat head of the shrine, Lady Lian Ji, who is actually possessed by Yuan Ji, only to find out that all the chaos was triggered by him. Ka Suo also experiences hardships in trying to find his lover and brother, not knowing that his brother has lost all of his memories and has become the Fire Prince under his mother's command. A war between the two tribes commences once again, with the two brothers pitted against each other.
@Smokin Joe @geronl @INVAR @Emjay @Hoodat
If yall are fans of the Bible,nudity and sex shouldn't bother you. The Bible is full of it. Pretty much everybody was humping everybody in sight,including their own children. If you believe the Bible to be the literal truth,even God got in on the act by impregnating another man's wife.
Still,if it offends you it offends you,and you don't have to make any excuses or apologies if it does.
Howsumever,if you enjoy the historical aspects of GoT but not the nudity and humping,you might enjoy the History Channel show "Vikings". It is based on actual historical figures and tells the story of their lives and the events they participated in while alive,as well as their deaths in many cases. The "hero" of the show is a young Viking named Ragnar,and he was the Viking that originally discovered the British Isles,and made raiding them and Europe into an annual spring sport
Yes,there is some nudity and some implied humping,but nothing compared to the reality of the GoT.
Another thing it shares with the GoT is some pretty damn spectacular scenery.
The only thing is you need to accept this is a story about actual historical people,and actual people back then,especially Viking raiders/berserkers tended to die early. The show will end when Ragnar ends. You can enjoy the ride while it lasts,or you can do a web search using his name and spoil it for yourself. It's one of those shows you want to go on forever,but it won't.
Agree with you on the Vikings series. Well done and good characters with strong historical thread throughout. I'm not sure it should end with the death of Ragnar, since historically Rollo becomes the first Norman with the lands of Normandy gifted to him by the King of Francia. He was an ancestor of William the Conqueror. If books are your thing, the Bernard Cornwell series "Saxon Tales" is also great. It's a ten book series and the hero is Saxon Uhtred raised by Vikings (Ragnar), and becomes involved in the wars between the Danes and Saxons, the most historically notable being Alfred the Great. The books are long but move along well, with great character development, historically accurate except for the fictional characters added to keep the story flowing. It takes you from the initial conquering of Britain by the Vikings through the slow unification of England. Lots of action and great storylines.
But God forbid we should hijack this otherwise substantive and meaningful "discussion" among friends for such historical drivel... :laugh:
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Agree with you on the Vikings series. Well done and good characters with strong historical thread throughout. I'm not sure it should end with the death of Ragnar, since historically Rollo becomes the first Norman with the lands of Normandy gifted to him by the King of Francia. He was an ancestor of William the Conqueror. If books are your thing, the Bernard Cornwell series "Saxon Tales" is also great. It's a ten book series and the hero is Saxon Uhtred raised by Vikings (Ragnar), and becomes involved in the wars between the Danes and Saxons, the most historically notable being Alfred the Great. The books are long but move along well, with great character development, historically accurate except for the fictional characters added to keep the story flowing. It takes you from the initial conquering of Britain by the Vikings through the slow unification of England. Lots of action and great storylines.
MUCHO thanks for the books tip. I will be looking for them the instant I after I post this,and I hope you are right about the series continuing. My only question is "where are they going to find more actors THAT freaking good to keep the story going?" One thing is for certain,they ain't going to coming out of Hollywood action movies.
"But God forbid we should hijack this otherwise substantive and meaningful "discussion" among friends for such historical drivel... :laugh:"
I sure hope not!
^-^
Just finished watching The Last Kingdom on Netflix. Awesome. Interesting historical figure, this Uhtred.
Can't wait till they bring in season 2.
I love the history of the Britons.
^-^
Just finished watching The Last Kingdom on Netflix. Awesome. Interesting historical figure, this Uhtred.
Can't wait till they bring in season 2.
I love the history of the Britons.
@aligncare @MACVSOG68
BTW,to come full circle by using history to bring the thread back to Donald Little Hands,I am reading a fiction novel now with a VERY large grain of truth spoken by one of the lead characters. It starts with a discussion of NYC and how the political leadership there only cares about themselves and NYC,and to hell with the rest of America. One of the lead characters says something along the line of :
"Why is anybody surprised about this? New York City has always been anti-American.
They were on the British side during the Revolutionary War.
They didn't want to fight in the Civil War.
They were with the Soviets starting in the 1920's.
They were on the side of the Nazi's during WW-2,with half the Irishmen living and working around the docks informing the Nazi's of shipping times and cargoes.
They sided with the communists against the US in both Korea and Vietnam."
There were several other factual historical points mentioned,but I don't have access to the book at this moment for a direct quote.
The focal point being that Donald Little Hands is a life-long denizen of NYC.
How's THAT for bringing a thread back on point?
already posted, but for the record here is what Ted was doing Friday...
(http://i414.photobucket.com/albums/pp221/drw509/cruz_1.jpg)
To loud and prolonged cheers,
Its a 5000 person membership organization. You apply, a current member recommends you in writing, two or three others attest to your character and you're in.
Its not exactly the Bilderburg Group.
The argument is ridiculous. Trump has many investments overseas. He has ties to Soros. Hr has ties to the middle east. He has ties to the Clintonstate. It doesn't get any more globalist than Trump.
Herr Drumpf has said we do not matter.
You haff called Herr Drumpf a liar! Report to the nearest train station, as your political life is over.
How about that other story about Cruz's dad helping Oswald.
Isn't the enquirer run out of South Florida. Same place Trump has interests. Same place epstein is from. Same as Matt Drudge.
They probably had meetings to plan this media frenzy
Trump said, "No one knows the system better than me" After saying the system was corrupt.
Who better to fix the corrupt system?
I actually hope the Donald wins. It'll be a twofer of fun for me. First, the rats cry for a while that Hillary will always be a bridesmaid and never the bride. It's always a good thing to watch rats cry. Then by the time they realize that it's all good and that the Donald is one of them, those of the tRump supporters who still have 2 brain cells left, will begin to realize they've been had. That's what I'm going to truly enjoy. It'll be like Christmas. I see many more bannings at FR in the future. The infighting will be delightful.I don't disagree with much of what you say. Keeping Hillary at bay was my chief objective.
I just will not be a party to electing either someone I consider to be nuts, tRump or a criminal, Hillary.
Of course, as old, fat and crazy as the Donald is, chances of him stroking out are high, and then we would have Pence. So things could work out in the end. :whistle:
Scy Fy had a great show on several years ago called "Lost Girl", Great story, compelling characters, solid dialogue. Then they started with the gratuitous homosexual and gratuitous sex stuff and that was it for us. We gave it like 3 episodes to get past it, but that was it. I don't even know if it is still on.Fear the Walking Dead bit the bullet in one liplock. The guys could have just been bros from some past shared adversity(military, bikers, survival situation), and that would have worked just fine in the script, but no, they took it in the other direction. I stopped watching then and there.
Agree with you on the Vikings series. Well done and good characters with strong historical thread throughout. I'm not sure it should end with the death of Ragnar, since historically Rollo becomes the first Norman with the lands of Normandy gifted to him by the King of Francia. He was an ancestor of William the Conqueror. If books are your thing, the Bernard Cornwell series "Saxon Tales" is also great. It's a ten book series and the hero is Saxon Uhtred raised by Vikings (Ragnar), and becomes involved in the wars between the Danes and Saxons, the most historically notable being Alfred the Great. The books are long but move along well, with great character development, historically accurate except for the fictional characters added to keep the story flowing. It takes you from the initial conquering of Britain by the Vikings through the slow unification of England. Lots of action and great storylines.@sneakypete
But God forbid we should hijack this otherwise substantive and meaningful "discussion" among friends for such historical drivel... :laugh:
@aligncare @MACVSOG68
BTW,to come full circle by using history to bring the thread back to Donald Little Hands,I am reading a fiction novel now with a VERY large grain of truth spoken by one of the lead characters. It starts with a discussion of NYC and how the political leadership there only cares about themselves and NYC,and to hell with the rest of America. One of the lead characters says something along the line of :
"Why is anybody surprised about this? New York City has always been anti-American.
They were on the British side during the Revolutionary War.
They didn't want to fight in the Civil War.
They were with the Soviets starting in the 1920's.
They were on the side of the Nazi's during WW-2,with half the Irishmen living and working around the docks informing the Nazi's of shipping times and cargoes.
They sided with the communists against the US in both Korea and Vietnam."
There were several other factual historical points mentioned,but I don't have access to the book at this moment for a direct quote.
The focal point being that Donald Little Hands is a life-long denizen of NYC.
How's THAT for bringing a thread back on point?
Why is anybody surprised about this? New York City has always been anti-American.
The story is set a hundred years after a war between the Empire of Snow (Ice Tribe) and the Fire Tribe, where the Fire Tribe was defeated. However, the war was fatal, leaving Prince Ka Suo and his younger half-brother Ying Kong Shi the only royal heirs and pure-blood ice illusionists left in the Ice Tribe. Conflict ensues after Ka Suo reluctantly ascends to the throne as his lover, Li Luo, and his brother go missing.:thumbsup3:
Ka Suo also accidentally discovers an evil presence lurking in the Ice Tribe's holy shrine. He and his companions enter the mysterious shrine, and defeat head of the shrine, Lady Lian Ji, who is actually possessed by Yuan Ji, only to find out that all the chaos was triggered by him. Ka Suo also experiences hardships in trying to find his lover and brother, not knowing that his brother has lost all of his memories and has become the Fire Prince under his mother's command. A war between the two tribes commences once again, with the two brothers pitted against each other.
Fear the Walking Dead bit the bullet in one liplock. The guys could have just been bros from some past shared adversity(military, bikers, survival situation), and that would have worked just fine in the script, but no, they took it in the other direction. I stopped watching then and there.
Trump said, "No one knows the system better than me" After saying the system was corrupt.Well using your logic, after you all get Hildabeast elected, Bill can be in charge of the interns. Another example of a Trumplestilskin writing before thinking.
Who better to fix the corrupt system?
@sneakypete
Guys, I'm no prude. I am, however a little picky about what I allow to be funneled into my living room.
I fully understand that sex has been going on a long time, that raping, pillaging, and burning were well ensconced cultural norms for those powerful enough and so inclined to engage in such (or who were the victims thereof), despite the power of the Church, which on occasion harbored those who engaged in such acts. Power corrupts, and it always has, with rare exception.
Those stories can be told effectively without going all Sam Peckinpaugh or John Holmes across my medium screen (it isn't the really big one). They can be told without going all 'pride parade' on it, too, because if they do, they won't be on my screen.
When I was in EMS, I saw enough bloody messes, thanks. The thought that that could become commonplace again with the desensitization of a culture ill equipped morally to deal with that is one of the reasons I don't, as a rule, support the might 'makes right anything goes blood and guts' shows.
Historically accurate? Yep, most likely, in spirit, if not in absolute fact. That was the reason for the Magna Carta, and eventually, our own Constitution and Bill of Rights. That is the quagmire from which Western Civilization rose, watered in blood and fertilized by the carcasses of the slain. Going back to that might be good entertainment if that historical fiction is presented in that context, but we are getting away from that context as we are getting away from the Chivalrous concepts that sprang from it, even as we get away, culturally, from the concepts of equal unalienable rights and the sanctity of life, ironically most propelled by those who demand both.
It's one thing putting zombies out of your misery, but treating other humans as such on a regular basis without qualm is a dangerous place for a culture's head to go. Unfortunately, our culture is going there, and taking with it the concept that might makes right, not just that being right makes right, and might safeguards that. The subtly implanted concept that it is acceptable or preferable to use force without a moral compass nor constraint (other than opposing force) for the sake of spoils is all we need to destroy Western Civilization and take culture back down that dark road from which it emerged.
@sneakypete
It's one thing putting zombies out of your misery, but treating other humans as such on a regular basis without qualm is a dangerous place for a culture's head to go. Unfortunately, our culture is going there, and taking with it the concept that might makes right, not just that being right makes right, and might safeguards that. The subtly implanted concept that it is acceptable or preferable to use force without a moral compass nor constraint (other than opposing force) for the sake of spoils is all we need to destroy Western Civilization and take culture back down that dark road from which it emerged.
@Smokin Joe @geronl @INVAR @Emjay @Hoodat
If yall are fans of the Bible,nudity and sex shouldn't bother you. The Bible is full of it. Pretty much everybody was humping everybody in sight,including their own children. If you believe the Bible to be the literal truth,even God got in on the act by impregnating another man's wife.
Still,if it offends you it offends you,and you don't have to make any excuses or apologies if it does.
Howsumever,if you enjoy the historical aspects of GoT but not the nudity and humping,you might enjoy the History Channel show "Vikings". It is based on actual historical figures and tells the story of their lives and the events they participated in while alive,as well as their deaths in many cases. The "hero" of the show is a young Viking named Ragnar,and he was the Viking that originally discovered the British Isles,and made raiding them and Europe into an annual spring sport
Yes,there is some nudity and some implied humping,but nothing compared to the reality of the GoT.
Another thing it shares with the GoT is some pretty damn spectacular scenery.
The only thing is you need to accept this is a story about actual historical people,and actual people back then,especially Viking raiders/berserkers tended to die early. The show will end when Ragnar ends. You can enjoy the ride while it lasts,or you can do a web search using his name and spoil it for yourself. It's one of those shows you want to go on forever,but it won't.
NYC Lawmakers Gearing Up to Give 1 Million Non-Citizens Voting Rightshttp://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/04/06/nyc-lawmakers-gearing-up-to-give-1-million-non-citizens-voting-rights/ (http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/04/06/nyc-lawmakers-gearing-up-to-give-1-million-non-citizens-voting-rights/)
There are more non-citizens in NYC than there are people in many western states. Approximately 1/8 of the population of the city proper.
Why, indeed?
(BTW, @sneakypete, nicely played.)
Well, it is fiction, and fat chicks with flattops and tattooed knuckles just don't play to the three in the rack fantasy. (Guys, if they really are lesbians, what makes you think they will have time for you?)
BTW,you will notice that when there is a homosexual couple inserted into a popular show,it's two babes. Seems like most guys like that idea,and most women don't seem to find it horribly offensive,either
Actually, I like a little sex and violence as much as the next person, but the episode I saw just seemed so cruel and without heart and there was no one to like. Maybe I gave up on it too soon, but it just seemed bleak to me.
I'll tell ya what political suicide is....still concentrating on his primary challenger and not the Dem nominee...
@Smokin JoeUntil that coppery smell hits your nostrils, or the unique odors of disembowelment, burnt flesh, or putrefaction become known, it doesn't hit anyone. It's just another show, the stuff fantasies are made of. Those who have not breathed the smell of blood spilt, whatever the cause, will inevitably be nauseous when they do--it's an instinctive revulsion. The problem is, they won't be puking until after they have engaged in their particular act, if at all (most will, whether they were the cause or not, at least the first time, and even those who have been exposed to gore will still have moments).
No argument from me on that one.
Then again,the way *I* see it,the illiterant little mamas boys and other leftist fools growing up today have been TOO sheltered from reality,and some hard doses of what life was like under the control of the royalty or the Soviets/Chinese communists is just the wakeup call some of these dummies need. The gorier,more horrible,and more realistic the better. None of that bloodless and painless instant death. Let them see villagers and soldiers going over a battlefield after a battle,executing the wounded and stealing their clothing,weapons,and money.
@Smokin JoeGood for the VA SC!
I just read a short news report today that Virginia Government "Terrible Terry" McAuliff,former Clinton jock strap and all around enemy of America,had just been slapped down by the Virginia SC. Terrible Terry had decided the thing to do to help his sugar mama become prez was to issue a mass pardon to over 200,000 Virginia felons so they could register and vote for Bubbette! The Va SC told him he had the authority to pardon felons one at a time,but not in masses.
I'll tell ya what political suicide is....still concentrating on his primary challenger and not the Dem nominee...@mystery-ak I said it before, if he actually did go after Hildabeast, he might win and that is not his intention.
@mystery-ak I said it before, if he actually did go after Hildabeast, he might win and that is not his intention.
@mystery-ak I said it before, if he actually did go after Hildabeast, he might win and that is not his intention.
I take it you missed Trump's acceptance speech? What I heard was an attack on Hillary as Secretary of State, her email scandal, immigration and other issues. What is it you think Trump missed as far as going after her?
I take it you missed Trump's acceptance speech? What I heard was an attack on Hillary as Secretary of State, her email scandal, immigration and other issues. What is it you think Trump missed as far as going after her?@truth_seeker @MACVSOG68 I didn't watch any of the convention, I did see that the day after the convention he is wasting time going after Cruz.
@truth_seeker @MACVSOG68 I didn't watch any of the convention, I did see that the day after the convention he is wasting time going after Cruz.
He has been all along, so you obviously have not been paying attention.
It tells you who they are most afraid of doesn't it!
Good for the VA SC!
Look out, though. Someone will figure out 'file merge' and stuff the forms and the rubber stamp machine will run overtime...Or does he personally have to sign each one?
@Smokin Joe
I don't know,but I am guessing he has to sign each one individually,or he would have already done it and the Va SC would have had nothing to say.
In absolute fairness, Donaldus Minimus has zapped Hilarious Rodent Clinton over assorted
malfeasances for much of this year's legs of the campaigns. But in further absolute fairness, it often
does seem as though he hammers his critics on the conservative side of the street with far
more passion and fustian than he tends to hammer her. Since the convention, as others have pointed
out, he seems to be far more interested in flogging Ted Cruz and company.
The disclosure about the Democratic National Committee trying actively to rig the deck on behalf
of Hilarious Rodent Clinton should be a natural for Donaldus Minimus. Except that the disclosure
was first made several days ago and he's hardly said a word about it. Unless he's waiting to blast
it during the Democratic convention. If so, let's see if he throws everything including the proverbial
kitchen sink, or just lobs a few perfunctory jabs that he permits to interrupt his semi-regularly
scheduled hammering of his conservative critics---of which there are far more than some
of his sycophancy will admit.
PHILADELPHIA – Donald Trump’s campaign wasted no time Sunday stoking tensions inside the Democratic ranks over Hillary Clinton’s choice of running mate and the leak of party files suggesting some officials worked against Bernie Sanders – with Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort saying, “the fix was in from the beginning.”
I guess the entire world wasn't paying attention then. All news has been about is his attacks on Cruz and his moronic comments about NATO.
He needs to move on from Trump, Kasich et al, and now concentrate on his agenda and his opponent, which as I understand he is now doing. Kasich and Cruz are yesterday's news for Trump, and he should take advantage now of the brouhaha forming around the DNC emails. He can continue to hammer away at Obama, because for the most part, Hillary is promising a continuation of much of his administration. Graphs posted on these threads notwithstanding, his national security and law and order agenda will resonate as long as he keeps those issues and their solutions realistic. But his anti-Hillary rants in his acceptance speech were a good start and went a long way toward discrediting those who seem convinced he's in it for the Clintons.
All of the news "here," is a tiny obsessed wrinkle in the overall picture.
Trump said, "No one knows the system better than me" After saying the system was corrupt.
Who better to fix the corrupt system?
Then go back to your corner and cry with Ted about how hurt your feelings are. This is politics not tiddly winks
@Smokin Joe
I just read a short news report today that Virginia Government "Terrible Terry" McAuliff,former Clinton jock strap and all around enemy of America,
Trump has spent the last three days going after Cruz, Kasich, the WTO, companies who offshore, basking in the glow of Vince McMahon, and asserting we'll deny entry to visitors from France and Germany.
Kasich and Cruz are yesterday's news for Trump,
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/07/24/fix-was-in-trump-camp-stokes-dem-tensions-over-emails-suggesting-anti-sanders-bias.html (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/07/24/fix-was-in-trump-camp-stokes-dem-tensions-over-emails-suggesting-anti-sanders-bias.html)
PHILADELPHIA – Donald Trump’s campaign wasted no time Sunday stoking tensions inside the Democratic ranks over Hillary Clinton’s choice of running mate and the leak of party files suggesting some officials worked against Bernie Sanders – with Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort saying, “the fix was in from the beginning.”
So far, so good. But let's see just how much he throws at them when the Democratic convention speeches
and fustians begin.
I take it you missed Trump's acceptance speech? What I heard was an attack on Hillary as Secretary of State, her email scandal, immigration and other issues. What is it you think Trump missed as far as going after her?
You must have missed MEET THE PRESS this morning
Don't cherry-pick certain words in my point. I said Trump should move on from Cruz and Kasich. And I still maintain he's got to get his campaign against Hillary together. He has started it, but needs to hit her hard...daily.
Then go back to your corner and cry with Ted about how hurt your feelings are. This is politics not tiddly winks
He's not going to. That isn't his objective. His objective is to ensure Hillary's coronation.
I said Trump should move on from Cruz and Kasich.
Trump should have moved on two months ago. Yet he continues to act like Lt. Commander Queeg complaining about what happened to the strawberries.
Donald Trump is not mentally fit to be President of the United States.
Don't cherry-pick certain words in my point. I said Trump should move on from Cruz and Kasich. And I still maintain he's got to get his campaign against Hillary together. He has started it, but needs to hit her hard...daily.
I missed the memo...
Self-evident to all of us. Sanders' wins primary states and the delegates all go to Hildabeast. Their rules make whom their leaders choose the nominee - not their subjects.
The GOP just adopted the same rules for future elections in their party.
What is not so evident to most in the GOP is the fix put in to ensure Trump would remove all Conservative opposition for Hillary and sabotage the Conservative movement into irrelevance by continuously attacking it after he ingratiated himself into the hearts and minds of disgruntled Republicans.
Trump has been doing his best to get attention OFF of Hillary's problems this whole scampaign.
And yet he ripped into her on all fronts during his acceptance speech. As I said, I missed the memo...and apparently he did too.
And Obama wrote a supportive letter to law enforcement, so I guess he can't really be against the police. </sarc>
But like with Obama, it's difficult to tell whether he's insidious or just incompetent, isn't it?
Self-evident to all of us. Sanders' wins primary states and the delegates all go to Hildabeast. Their rules make whom their leaders choose the nominee - not their subjects.
The GOP just adopted the same rules for future elections in their party.
What is not so evident to most in the GOP is the fix put in to ensure Trump would remove all Conservative opposition for Hillary and sabotage the Conservative movement into irrelevance by continuously attacking it after he ingratiated himself into the hearts and minds of disgruntled Republicans.
It's time we, who are almost-certainly the majority of the party base, LEFT to form our own conservative-principles party.
What percentage of overall GOP voters constitutes "the base" you are describing?
Because whenever i hear these calls for a third party, i wonder how a group of voters who aren't even numerous enough to win a plurality in the GOP primary (which itself is only 30-35%% of the electorate at best) can manage to win a general election.
What percentage of overall GOP voters constitutes "the base" you are describing?It doesn't matter, now, does it.
Because whenever i hear these calls for a third party, i wonder how a group of voters who aren't even numerous enough to win a plurality in the GOP primary (which itself is only 30-35%% of the electorate at best) can manage to win a general election.
The way to find out is to do it. No, not do it the Losertarian way, nominate a bunch of clowns and then put on a circus. No, form the party; get places on ballots...get a fund-raising apparatus up; YES, a political party needs money. Lock down by-laws that keep out the cronies, corporatists, and RINO lifers. Starting with SHORT office term limits.
And pick a few battles. Where there are weak cipher-RINOpubicrats, run a strong conservative.
@mystery-ak I said it before, if he actually did go after Hildabeast, he might win and that is not his intention.
Self-evident to all of us. Sanders' wins primary states and the delegates all go to Hildabeast. Their rules make whom their leaders choose the nominee - not their subjects.
The GOP just adopted the same rules for future elections in their party.
Trump has been doing his best to get attention OFF of Hillary's problems this whole scampaign.
I dunno. What percentage supported Ronald Reagan?
What percentage is active with, has attended meetings of, or is sympathetic to the Tea Party? I'd bet over 65 percent.
It doesn't matter, now, does it.
First we were told the GOP doesn't need us anyway.
Second, this isn't about anything but principle this time around.
You ask us to define a number we cannot. You want a percentage answer to a question which has not been asked. Insufficient data. The electorate has been handed Hobson's choice and will reflect that.
And ask yourself -- prior to Reagan, when was the last time the U.S. elected a true conservative?
1892
1892
Probably right....You are right about that. I still will pick the views every time. I would love to see a true conservative with charisma. Not for me, because I don't care, but for those who need to vote for personality.
My point is that patience, while annoying as hell, is really an essential ingredient for those who want to see a conservative President. It has to be a mix of the right views, and the right guy, and that's very difficult to find.
1892
imo
Coolidge in '24.
Well, it matters a hell of a lot of your goal is to win elections.I don't view electing someone who is of the character or stance I find abhorrent a "win". There is not major party candidate who fits, imho, and support for a third party candidate is unlikely to reach the level required to garner 270 electoral votes, so this time around, it doesn't matter. These things change, anyway, and the greatest enemy of a Trump Administration will be Trump should that come to pass, just as the greatest enemy of another Clinton Administration would be Hillary. Their actions will incite enmity.
Fair enough. If it's not about conservatives winning elections, then the level of support doesn't matter.
The exact percentage was not my point. My point was how a group of voters that isn't even large enough to win a nomination is going to be large enough to win a general election. So you could pick any number you wanted out of a hat to make the point. A percentage large enough to win the general election should be able to win a nomination easy. It's a simple question of math, because the electorate wasn't "handed" a Hobson's choice. It voted for this Hobson's choice.If you count the crossover democrats in open primary states as GOP voters and a legitimate part of the electorate, Trump did not win 'easily'. He won with a plurality, the lowest in decades. So, far from it, those may have been the results, but would voters have cast their ballots differently (for someone other than the 15 other candidates) if they had known the outcome?
Here's the reality that political junkies like us don't want to admit. Personality, charisma, and communications skills are just as important as the message when it comes to winning an election. So unless we come up with a conservative who has the right personality/charisma/communications skills, we're not going to elect or even nominate a conservative. Period. That person was not in this primary, so no conservative was nominated. End of story. And ask yourself -- prior to Reagan, when was the last time the U.S. elected a true conservative?Reagan would never have resorted to the outright smear and slanderous tactics Donald Trump employed to 'win'. The public would not have tolerated that either. If you want to think about something, consider that the plurality who voted for Trump voted for the most arrogant, bloviating, superficial, and frankly obnoxious candidate in recent history. That he likely had legions of internet trolls out cramming social media and other sites with not only pro-trump propaganda but (especially) anti-Cruz (although Cruz was not the only one--ask 'little Marco') hit pieces which were fabrications or unsubstantiated and definitely unresearched, repeated in the media echo chamber, retweeted, facebooked and then used as 'sources' which said...
We have to get lucky.This wasn't luck. Idiocracy sums it up nicely
Over 50%. That's why he won the nomination.
Then why couldn't that 65% of the party nominate a conservative in the primary? Even after Cruz was the only conservative in the race, he still wasn't close to 50%. Why not? Honestly, I can't get passed this argument. If true conservatives really are the 'silent majority", then why hasn't the GOP nominated a true conservative since 1984? There either 1) aren't as many conservatives as we think, or 2) the definition of "conservative" varies so much depending on who you ask that calling someone a "conservative" is meaningless.
And more than sixty percent voted AGAINST Lord Trumpy.
Two Bush operatives remained in as spoilers. Goober Grahamnesty; and Johnny Kase-Itch.
Divided the Not-Trump vote - there were deluded but well-meaning voters who thought Trump-hired-gun Roger Stone's meme about Cruz being Canadian was a concern. And there are people who really ARE afraid for some confused reason about Constitutional Conservatives. Guess they think we'll all be ordered to church every Sunday or something.
It was a divide-and-conquer, scorched-earth strategy. THAT is why God the Donald won - and with a small plurality; and with plenty of smears and slander.
Now you got your chance. You can run your two-dimensional imbecile and see where he lands.
I already know.
Over 50%. That's why he won the nomination.@Maj. Bill Martin There are two reasons. 1) The media made Trump the spectacle. Yeah he said the outrageous things, but the media gave him all the attention.
Then why couldn't that 65% of the party nominate a conservative in the primary? Even after Cruz was the only conservative in the race, he still wasn't close to 50%. Why not? Honestly, I can't get passed this argument. If true conservatives really are the 'silent majority", then why hasn't the GOP nominated a true conservative since 1984? There either 1) aren't as many conservatives as we think, or 2) the definition of "conservative" varies so much depending on who you ask that calling someone a "conservative" is meaningless.
Snow jobs instead of Obama's no jobs and Bill Clinton's blow..............Ok bumper stickers are not my forte.
You need a snowplow to drive through this much irony.
Reagan would never have resorted to the outright smear and slanderous tactics Donald Trump employed to 'win'.
You are right about that. I still will pick the views every time. I would love to see a true conservative with charisma. Not for me, because I don't care, but for those who need to vote for personality.
Agreed. It's sad that we've come to this. It got much worse in the TV age, but it's the reality with which we must deal.Maybe it is. But don't expect me to vote for the charisma without the conservative philosophy. All hat and no cattle will not make America great again.
Agreed. It's sad that we've come to this. It got much worse in the TV age, but it's the reality with which we must deal.So it is Kardashian or lardashian....
@Maj. Bill Martin There are two reasons. 1) The media made Trump the spectacle. Yeah he said the outrageous things, but the media gave him all the attention.
2) We have open primaries and all the democrats knew that sHrillary was the anointed so they jumped over for the primary and put Trump over the top.
Trumps appeal is to the lowest common denominator. He speaks in short sentences written at about an 8th grade level. There is nothing thought provoking in any of his speeches. It is the exact same appeal that the democrats use. Reagan was able to bet Carter because of his ability to communicate and because at that point everyone realized that Carter was a complete imbecile. The media is still portraying Obozo as the cool guy President. Hell he is still campaigning by slow jamming the news with Jimmy Fallon.
The media was able to pick the last three republican candidates. They gave us McCain, Romney and now Trump.
2) I think there is more validity to your second point, but still Cruz lost a lot of closed primaries/caucuses -- Kentucky, Louisiana, etc..
You can't get elected if you can't get on the ballot, and the GOP is not making that any easier for anyone outside the GOP cartel. It would be far easier to get a Conservative on a third party ballot because Conservatives are persona non grata at the GOP.
In any case, I still don't see how it is easier for a conservative to win as part of a third party.
If there were enough people to give such a candidate a chance, why didn't they vote for Cruz this time around?
Over 50%. That's why he won the nomination.
Then why couldn't that 65% of the party nominate a conservative in the primary? Even after Cruz was the only conservative in the race, he still wasn't close to 50%. Why not? Honestly, I can't get passed this argument. If true conservatives really are the 'silent majority", then why hasn't the GOP nominated a true conservative since 1984? There either 1) aren't as many conservatives as we think, or 2) the definition of "conservative" varies so much depending on who you ask that calling someone a "conservative" is meaningless.
Over 50%. That's why he won the nomination.
Then why couldn't that 65% of the party nominate a conservative in the primary? Even after Cruz was the only conservative in the race, he still wasn't close to 50%. Why not? Honestly, I can't get passed this argument. If true conservatives really are the 'silent majority", then why hasn't the GOP nominated a true conservative since 1984? There either 1) aren't as many conservatives as we think, or 2) the definition of "conservative" varies so much depending on who you ask that calling someone a "conservative" is meaningless.
...I guess this is where I get attacked and insulted for having that opinion...I won't attack that opinion. In large measure it is correct, in that Trump has raised a blank slate and thrown in a couple of hot button terms and let people write their own glorious solutions for all their ills on that blank slate, believing he will implement them.
I won't attack that opinion. In large measure it is correct, in that Trump has raised a blank slate and thrown in a couple of hot button terms and let people write their own glorious solutions for all their ills on that blank slate, believing he will implement them.
It worked with Obama, too.
Maybe it is. But don't expect me to vote for the charisma without the conservative philosophy. All hat and no cattle will not make America great again.
Oh, I'm not suggesting that at all. My point goes more to those who think the problem is the lack of a third party. The problem is more mundane than that -- it's the lack of the right candidate.Actually, it is a question of match up and timing. I have little doubt that sans Trump, Cruz would have been resoundingly nominated. Without Trump's smear campaign against Cruz, he would have taken the nomination handily, and the rest of the field would have done about the same they did, with a few more people. But Trump appealed to the Angry Party, ironically, angry because the GOPe had not done its job and ticked off the same electorate that put Trump snugly in bed with them.
Why? Is it not obvious? Has it not been demonstrated election after election?
You have a mere handful of people,left in America, with enough honesty to live by the words they speak. You have a mere handful of people that lack a wide yellow stripe down their back. You have a mere handful of people that are not every bit as liberal as the average democrat.
In the off season, everyone on the right is a 'conservative'. But come election season, the truth comes out and the overwhelming majority of 'the right' is as hard left as their opposition. Lets face it. They knowingly and willingly tried to elect a guy that profits from the abortions his own laws enabled last time. Electing a mere con man is nothing by comparison.
Why should ANYONE think such people would EVER stand up for conservative principles or actual Conservatives when it actually matters? They REPEATEDLY show how low their character is and never EVER admit liberalism, as demonstrated by their votes, is what they desire.
If they did not want liberals, they would not VOTE for liberals.
Period.
Snow jobs instead of Obama's no jobs and Bill Clinton's blow..............Ok bumper stickers are not my forte.
I don't disagree with any of that -- we actually agree. I was addressing those who believe there is some "silent majority" out there just waiting to rally behind some new, conservative party. That silent majority does not exist. The claimed majority/near majority of conservatives doesn't exist when you start breaking it down issue by issue, and there is in fact significant disagreement on what a "conservative" actually is. If you broaden the definition enough to get anywhere near 40% or so, you've lost some people who will consider that person "no longer a conservative".Tell me, then, what more conservative stance would you find to be a deal-breaker in a match-up between a consummate Conservative and a Liberal like Hillary or Bernie? What would keep you from voting for someone more conservative than some 'ideal' more moderate candidate?
Oh, I'm not suggesting that at all. My point goes more to those who think the problem is the lack of a third party. The problem is more mundane than that -- it's the lack of the right candidate.
Yes. A reasonable argument. You're correct in your question.
Odds are that an extreme candidate on either ideological pole would have trouble getting elected president. --unless they're an 'historic' democrat of color, of course. :whistle:
Why? Is it not obvious? Has it not been demonstrated election after election?
You have a mere handful of people,left in America, with enough honesty to live by the words they speak. You have a mere handful of people that lack a wide yellow stripe down their back. You have a mere handful of people that are not every bit as liberal as the average democrat.
In the off season, everyone on the right is a 'conservative'. But come election season, the truth comes out and the overwhelming majority of 'the right' is as hard left as their opposition. Lets face it. They knowingly and willingly tried to elect a guy that profits from the abortions his own laws enabled last time. Electing a mere con man is nothing by comparison.
Why should ANYONE think such people would EVER stand up for conservative principles or actual Conservatives when it actually matters? They REPEATEDLY show how low their character is and never EVER admit liberalism, as demonstrated by their votes, is what they desire.
If they did not want liberals, they would not VOTE for liberals.
Period.
The only principles for most is a paycheck, booze, cell phone, pizza, cable and porn on demand.
Well, to extend some grace, most of those whom you describe look at politics and elections the same exact way they do a sporting event. It's a contest and they want to be on the "winning team" just to feel the "euphoria" of a win and all the parades and parties that happen afterward so they can say "I was there. I had a part in the big win".
For the majority - principles do not exist except when it is convenient.
The only principles for most is a paycheck, booze, cell phone, pizza, cable and porn on demand.
You can't get elected if you can't get on the ballot, and the GOP is not making that any easier for anyone outside the GOP cartel. It would be far easier to get a Conservative on a third party ballot because Conservatives are persona non grata at the GOP.
You are ignoring the full court press smear campaign against Cruz.
Birtherism
flap over a previously used (in other campaigns) fund raising mailer
"lyin' Ted" retweeted what, millions of times?
CNN and Carson dropping out retweet
The misrepresentation of comments after Chicago (spewed as supporting rioters against trump--NOT what he said)
Five mistress Enquirer article (Yes, Trump and Packer are old friends)
'Ted thinks he's the annointed one (someone else said that) and is a cult member nonsense
The flap over Mrs Trump's GQ layout being used in a PAC ad, wrongfully attributed to Cruz
The attack on Heidi's looks and mental state
Claims of "stealing delegates" & CO form typo
Heidi is the GLobalist banker CFR-Illuminati-Bilderbergers-Trilateral Commission Commissar and architect of NAFTA (lies)
Ted's Dad helped kill JFK
And all the time with the "lyin' Ted" twitter smear.
How can you ignore that? You don't think all that had an effect?
Actually, it is a question of match up and timing. I have little doubt that sans Trump, Cruz would have been resoundingly nominated. Without Trump's smear campaign against Cruz, he would have taken the nomination handily, and the rest of the field would have done about the same they did, with a few more people. But Trump appealed to the Angry Party, ironically, angry because the GOPe had not done its job and ticked off the same electorate that put Trump snugly in bed with them.
Plus ca change, plus ca meme chose.
With that in mind, the desired result of those voting on principle will not be achieved by repeatedly tilting at the GOP windmill.
Sans Trump, Bush [with his war chest] or some other candidate would have smeared Cruz. Obviously the man I voted for was ripe for being smeared.
Such is politics.
Tweets are generated by individuals not necessarily the media. Can't really control that.One of those individuals was @realdonaldtrump. And his "lyin'" crap was retweeted. If he didn't put it out, it couldn't be retweeted. The media folks tweet, too, and they were retweeting it.
Sans Trump, Bush [with his war chest] or some other candidate would have smeared Cruz. Obviously the man I voted for was ripe for being smeared.Any person or candidate is ripe for being smeared. It could start with a facebook post that said 'wolfcreek was seen in a trench coat and sneakers self exposing to a playground full of kids' and you'd have to prove you didn't. That's the thing about smears. They aren't true, they never were, but it puts the opposition on the defensive, proving a negative. Any jackwagon with a blurry photo image can start one, and the lie will circle the globe before the truth gets out the door.
Such is politics.
Tweets are generated by individuals not necessarily the media. Can't really control that.SOme of those individuals are likely gainfully employed for that purpose. BTW, that long list was carried by a lot more than twitter, including tabloid media (oddly accepted as Gospel all of a sudden by parties who would ordinarily have dismissed it out of hand), closely tied to another candidate by virtue of an old friendship. Notice, the bulk of attacks were levied only at those who were in fact a threat to the orange tweeter.
The Trump campaign was huge on telling voters that Cruz was ineligible because he was a Canadian. You can bet that a lot more Iowans were told this than heard about the possible dropping out of Ben Carson, which came from CNN. It is a much bigger lie and it came directly from the Trump campaign.
It came straight from the foul mouth of Roger Stone.
Stone is a Nixon retread. He studied at the knee of the Prince of Lies, back when he was a youngster fresh out of college. He thought lying and Dirty Tricks were pretty neato-keeno; and he's since written some documents espousing that sort of political tactics.
Trump sought him out. Birds of a feather, I guess. But the lies just keep on coming - as I knew they would, once I saw that Trump was uninterested in facts or truth and that he'd gotten a Hired Slimer to put out this stuff.
Cruz won Iowa despite his insistence that he was against subsidies. Not just corn subsidies but all subsidies while orange crush waffled. He was against the subsidy before he was for the subsidy.Actually, within hours of Cruz saying he was against subsidies and the Renewable Fuels Mandate, and Governor Branstad (R-whose son is an ethanol lobbyist) saying "Cruz must be defeated, whatever it takes", Trump came out saying he wanted not only to keep, but increase the Renewable Fuels Mandate and use the EPA to enforce it to the fullest extent of the law.
Any person or candidate is ripe for being smeared. It could start with a facebook post that said 'wolfcreek was seen in a trench coat and sneakers self exposing to a playground full of kids' and you'd have to prove you didn't. That's the thing about smears. They aren't true, they never were, but it puts the opposition on the defensive, proving a negative. Any jackwagon with a blurry photo image can start one, and the lie will circle the globe before the truth gets out the door.
Cruz won Iowa despite his insistence that he was against subsidies. Not just corn subsidies but all subsidies while orange crush waffled. He was against the subsidy before he was for the subsidy.
Trump didn't hold back punches for anyone. He's equal opportunity as advertised.
The Great Orange tRumpkin is the King of the sucker punch. It's what cowards do.
Trump didn't hold back punches for anyone. He's equal opportunity as advertised.
Trump didn't hold back punches for anyone. He's equal opportunity as advertised.Because the best way to beat Democrats is to attack Republicans?
Actually, within hours of Cruz saying he was against subsidies and the Renewable Fuels Mandate, and Governor Branstad (R-whose son is an ethanol lobbyist) saying "Cruz must be defeated, whatever it takes", Trump came out saying he wanted not only to keep, but increase the Renewable Fuels Mandate and use the EPA to enforce it to the fullest extent of the law.
I saw two things in Trump's statement: Kissing King Corn's ass... (sucking up for gubernatorial support)
And the willingness to strengthen the very agency which has done the most to destroy and drive out American industry. "Make America Great Again"--yeah, right. That was enough Trump for me.
Hang the fact that currently mandated blend volumes of ethanol are nearing the 10% blend wall already, and an increase will only destroy older fuel systems and small engines (everything from lawnmowers and generators to snowmobiles and outboard motors)
Hang the fact that currently mandated blend volumes of ethanol are nearing the 10% blend wall already, and an increase will only destroy older fuel systems and small engines (everything from lawnmowers and generators to snowmobiles and outboard motors)
Because the best way to beat Democrats is to attack Republicans?
That's an interesting point you bring up. History is replete with bitter campaigns. Candidates say awful things about each other, always have, always will.I also recall a candidate who is so bitter about another candidate not liking him, he is going to start a PAC to destroy him.
@Idaho_CowboyGood point. I should know better than to let a false premise like that go unaswered. So far as I can tell, Trump is part of the Klinton Klan
What makes you think he has any interest in defeating Dims. His whole damn family are Dims and have been Dims since the 1800's. HE's a Dim.
What he REALLY cares about is profit,and he doesn't care who he hurts as long as he and his family profit.
Trump didn't hold back punches for anyone. He's equal opportunity as advertised.No, he didn't...but he hit below the belt.
@Smokin Joe
Yeah,but just look at all the manufacturing and sales jobs that will create!
Anybody that doesn't think the goobermint people,including the Mother Earth kumtwats behind this ain't buying stock in the industries affected just ain't thinking clearly.
Hell,even a retard like Goober Gore made hundreds of millions from exploiting the environment.
That's an interesting point you bring up. History is replete with bitter campaigns. Candidates say awful things about each other, always have, always will.Each other, sure. C'est la guerre. About wives and fathers? Full on attacks on wives and fathers? When was the last campaign that was done?
Each other, sure. C'est la guerre. About wives and fathers? Full on attacks on wives and fathers? When was the last campaign that was done?
Each other, sure. C'est la guerre. About wives and fathers? Full on attacks on wives and fathers? When was the last campaign that was done?
implying something tawdry about her,
Melania was used in a political attack ad by Cruz people first, implying something tawdry about her, and Trump always counterpunches. Think of it as he was defending his wife's honor. Seems politicians are allowed that, aren't they?Right out of the gate when shown the ad, Cruz responded "that isn't one of ours", which it wasn't.
Melania was used in a political attack ad by Cruz people first, implying something tawdry about her, and Trump always counterpunches. Think of it as he was defending his wife's honor. Seems politicians are allowed that, aren't they?
The woman posed nude in front of a camera. I don't think "implies" is very descriptive here. Try the bald faced truth.Everything you might have wanted to know and more...
Can you cite some truths about the slime Trump spread?
Melania was used in a political attack ad by Cruz people first, implying something tawdry about her, and Trump always counterpunches. Think of it as he was defending his wife's honor. Seems politicians are allowed that, aren't they?You have got to stop with the lie that Cruz or his "people" had anything to do with any photo of the Donald's third wife. Second, at the time the photo was taken it was with the approval of both of them, the Donald because he wanted to show off his hot new girlfriend, like a trophy, and Melania because she liked being shown off. If they didn't have a problem with it then, they shouldn't have a problem with it now.
Tweets are generated by individuals not necessarily the media. Can't really control that.
The woman posed nude in front of a camera. I don't think "implies" is very descriptive here. Try the bald faced truth.
Can you cite some truths about the slime Trump spread?
The Great Orange tRumpkin is the King of the sucker punch. It's what cowards do.
No, he didn't...but he hit below the belt.
You have got to stop with the lie that Cruz or his "people" had anything to do with any photo of the Donald's third wife. Second, at the time the photo was taken it was with the approval of both of them, the Donald because he wanted to show off his hot new girlfriend, like a trophy, and Melania because she liked being shown off. If they didn't have a problem with it then, they shouldn't have a problem with it now.
Whoa, Paint. Yer working up a froth... Come on, fess up. You look at the pretty models in those fashion ads, don't you? You don't live in a monastery, do you? If so, please accept my apologies. I didn't mean to imply anything tawdry.
But with Trump and Cruz , they used it against Cruz everytime and never once used any journalistic integrity. They, as journalists, and media, laughed. LAUGHED. Well Fox did. I will say that I was SHIOCKED that Jake Tapper and Anderson Cooper were way more fair to Cruz, when he was attacked by Trump, than ANYONE at Fox was. They actually took the lies and slander seriously and presented it as such.
Melania was used in a political attack ad by Cruz people first,
Fact is it brought the wives into the race. Trump said noting about Heidi before that.
They were not "Cruz people".
They were not "Cruz people".
Well they weren't Trump people. They were acting on Ted Cruz behalf to help him win among Mormons in Utah. Those were the type of people who were supporting Ted Cruz, moralistic.
So what if the assignments of a successful high fashion model include partial nudity. Have you looked at where the culture is today? I'm sure you look at television and notice fashion magazines and listen to music. We are living in the 21st-century, in case some have failed to notice.
Yeah, but the manufacturing jobs won't be here. They'll be in China, Pakistan, Vietnam....Sales will be done on the internet, and those servers won't be made here, either, and possibly not located here. Packages are sorted by machine...so maybe, just maybe, out of everything from aggravation to life threatening situations (offshore a mile or more when the outboard quits in a small craft), maybe one package truck driver, net.
THEY were Make America Awesome, and anti-Trump PAC who's leader, Liz Meir, was admittedly more of a Rubio supporter. Cruz had NOTHING at all to do with the ad.
Nothing, nada, zilch.
But I'll wager you'll be back at the next opportunity, calling them "Cruz folks".
Well they weren't Trump people.
Melania was used in a political attack ad by Cruz people first, implying something tawdry about her, and Trump always counterpunches. Think of it as he was defending his wife's honor. Seems politicians are allowed that, aren't they?
THEY were Make America Awesome, and anti-Trump PAC who's leader, Liz Meir, was admittedly more of a Rubio supporter. Cruz had NOTHING at all to do with the ad.
Nothing, nada, zilch.
But I'll wager you'll be back at the next opportunity, calling them "Cruz folks".
Well they weren't Trump people. They were acting on Ted Cruz behalf to help him win among Mormons in Utah. Those were the type of people who were supporting Ted Cruz, moralistic.So there is a problem with being having morals now? You might want to rethink the message you are sending there.
So what if the assignments of a successful high fashion model include partial nudity. Have you looked at where the culture is today? I'm sure you look at television and notice fashion magazines and listen to music. We are living in the 21st-century, in case some have failed to notice.
Trumps reaction wasn't anywhere near the initial offering. A bitchy face?? How does it disrespect anyone?
It disrespects the entire country by suggesting that a posed photograph of a woman next to a candid photograph of a woman would in any sense be persuasive in an election.
Talk around it all you wish, but the facts of the matter, repeatedly provided and never rebutted, indicate that Trump was at fault for personally insulting Cruz's wife and the entire country, while Cruz responded with a compliment to Trump's wife. If you are OK with that in your candidate, that's fine it's your vote. Many of us are not and if you think you're gaining support for Trump by continuing to re-hash things that everyone knows are untrue, then you aren't thinking very carefully.
Trumps reaction wasn't anywhere near the initial offering. A bitchy face?? How does it disrespect anyone?Cruz's reaction is a primer in how to rise above unlike Trump's reaction:
Tell me, then, what more conservative stance would you find to be a deal-breaker in a match-up between a consummate Conservative and a Liberal like Hillary or Bernie? What would keep you from voting for someone more conservative than some 'ideal' more moderate candidate?
I'm voting for Trump in the general, but what he did with Heidi Cruz was inexcusable, and wrong. I can't believe anyone is still defending that.
I'm voting for Trump in the general, but what he did with Heidi Cruz was inexcusable, and wrong. I can't believe anyone is still defending that.I can respect your attitude on this one @ Maj. Bill Martin. Some however, feel the need to make Trump the perfect candidate or feel they are disloyal. This leads to a variety of trumpslaining tatics such as the ever popular: "But Mooooom! He started it first!" tatic you see on this thread.
Fact is it brought the wives into the race. Trump said noting about Heidi before that.Fact is that Trump retaliated against the wrong people.
I voted to end this irrelevant thread.No, I say we milk for all its worth. It's been very enlightening into the actions and rationale of Trump and his supporters.
Who's wit me?
It's not because "the system is rigged" -- it's because there aren't enough conservatives,
Fact is that Trump retaliated against the wrong people.
Do you really want that finger on the nuclear button?
You misunderstand me. I'm an not arguing for support of a more moderate candidate. I am arguing that calls for a third party are ignoring the real reason we don't nominate conservatives. It's not because "the system is rigged" -- it's because there aren't enough conservatives, and I recognize that "conservative" is a word about which people disagree. But however you define it, the point remains.
Fact is that Trump retaliated against the wrong people.
Do you really want that finger on the nuclear button?
You misunderstand me. I'm an not arguing for support of a more moderate candidate. I am arguing that calls for a third party are ignoring the real reason we don't nominate conservatives. It's not because "the system is rigged" -- it's because there aren't enough conservatives, and I recognize that "conservative" is a word about which people disagree. But however you define it, the point remains.Thing is, that this time the GOP was ripe to nominate a Conservative.
Whether or not a particular GOP nominee is acceptable is going to vary widely between people, and perhaps depending on who the other party has nominated. I'm simply saying that the only way to elect another "real" conservative is to 1) find the right person, and 2) build a coalition that can elect him/her.
@Smokin JoeHA! I'm in western North Dakota! I have a ringside seat for WWIII!
Joe,what could possibly go wrong with giving a narcissistic sociopath the nuclear launch codes?
You have got to stop with the lie that Cruz or his "people" had anything to do with any photo of the Donald's third wife. Second, at the time the photo was taken it was with the approval of both of them, the Donald because he wanted to show off his hot new girlfriend, like a trophy, and Melania because she liked being shown off. If they didn't have a problem with it then, they shouldn't have a problem with it now.
Melania was used in a political attack ad by Cruz people first, implying something tawdry about her, and Trump always counterpunches. Think of it as he was defending his wife's honor. Seems politicians are allowed that, aren't they?
QuoteHe rewrote the rules on how it's done and won.Rule rewrites aren't conducted in the middle of the match. He broke the accepted rules. Period. What candidate ever has attacked another candidate's wife like Trump went after Heidi?
Especially considering the 'retaliation' was against people who had not put out the ad.
Ready! Fire! Aim!Isn't that why someone would bother to put themselves, their families and friends in a contest like this? To win?
Normally, wives and kids aren't fair game, and especially not like that:
The 'My wife is prettier than your wife' bit (Dunno, what's yours look like without make-up?)
The 'She's a mastermind of the global banking cartel' bit (Why isn't she richer than you are Donny?)
The 'She practically wrote NAFTA all by herself, runs the CFR and designed the Amero schtik. (Oh, really? NOT!)
The 'Here's a picture of her having a bad day sitting on the side of the road' pic, 'right next to traffic!' (Ever eat at a sidewalk cafe? walk on a sidewalk? You're likely closer.)
And all because a PAC not affiliated with Cruz posted a COVER image from GQ magazine? Seen as part of this article:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3201088/Melania-Trump-Lady-pose-NUDE-talk-incredible-sex-life-Donald-Howard-Stern-rival-Jackie-Kennedy-elegance-style-quiet-strength.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3201088/Melania-Trump-Lady-pose-NUDE-talk-incredible-sex-life-Donald-Howard-Stern-rival-Jackie-Kennedy-elegance-style-quiet-strength.html)
What region devastating war awaits us while (and even after) people figure out the country we are retaliating against is NOT the one who attacked us? Because he went after the wrong guy, and then lied about it to 'justify' having attacked Heidi Cruz.
Well they weren't Trump people. They were acting on Ted Cruz behalf to help him win among Mormons in Utah. Those were the type of people who were supporting Ted Cruz, moralistic.Either it's a 'So what?" no biggie, in which case there was no need to retaliate against anyone. Just another 'nothingburger'.
So what if the assignments of a successful high fashion model include partial nudity. Have you looked at where the culture is today? I'm sure you look at television and notice fashion magazines and listen to music. We are living in the 21st-century, in case some have failed to notice.
@Smokin JoeYou may be on to something, there, Pete, but all will never be well in Gotham. It's just how they roll there.
Joe,I may very well be 100 percent off on this one,but I SUSPECT that economic conditions will soon settle to the point where it will be safe for the bankers behind all the off-shore moves and bankruptcy of American manufacturing to suddenly change all the laws they originally had passed to force manufacturing off-shore,and they will bring it back now that they have no competition here and a compliant congress and WH to protect their investments.
Suddenly we will hear cries of "BUY AMERICAN!" again from the ruling class,and all will be well in Gotham.
HA! I'm in western North Dakota! I have a ringside seat for WWIII!
You may be on to something, there, Pete, but all will never be well in Gotham. It's just how they roll there.
Rule rewrites aren't conducted in the middle of the match. He broke the accepted rules. Period. What candidate ever has attacked another candidate's wife like Trump went after Heidi?
Especially considering the 'retaliation' was against people who had not put out the ad.
Ready! Fire! Aim!
Normally, wives and kids aren't fair game, and especially not like that:
The 'My wife is prettier than your wife' bit (Dunno, what's yours look like without make-up?)
The 'She's a mastermind of the global banking cartel' bit (Why isn't she richer than you are Donny?)
The 'She practically wrote NAFTA all by herself, runs the CFR and designed the Amero schtik. (Oh, really? NOT!)
The 'Here's a picture of her having a bad day sitting on the side of the road' pic, 'right next to traffic!' (Ever eat at a sidewalk cafe? walk on a sidewalk? You're likely closer.)
And all because a PAC not affiliated with Cruz posted a COVER image from GQ magazine? Seen as part of this article:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3201088/Melania-Trump-Lady-pose-NUDE-talk-incredible-sex-life-Donald-Howard-Stern-rival-Jackie-Kennedy-elegance-style-quiet-strength.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3201088/Melania-Trump-Lady-pose-NUDE-talk-incredible-sex-life-Donald-Howard-Stern-rival-Jackie-Kennedy-elegance-style-quiet-strength.html)
What region devastating war awaits us while (and even after) people figure out the country we are retaliating against is NOT the one who attacked us? Because he went after the wrong guy, and then lied about it to 'justify' having attacked Heidi Cruz.
I thought they had shut down the silos out there?No, that was on the east side. They moved those to Malmstrom. MAFB is closer and we'd be able to see the birds go up...
I bought my 39 IHC pickup from a man in Minot.
@Smokin Joe
@Smokin JoeSomewhere west or south is a good start...
Joe,as with everything else,it all depends on your perspective,and this case that will depend on which side of the line you live on.
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No, that was on the east side. They moved those to Malmstrom. MAFB is closer and we'd be able to see the birds go up...
I have a '41 K model, myself....
@Smokin Joe
Cool! Mine is an original unrestored (other than the brakes,and other essential mechanical items) D-2. Love the art deco styling,and most people are shocked to find out I can cruise along down the road at 60 mph in it with the original flathead 6 engine in it. The crank out windshield is what seems to attract the most attention,though.
A word of warning to any potential IHC restorers out there,though. I have or have had Fords,Dodges,Plymouths,and even a off-brand antique Chevrolet,and the IHC parts are harder to find and MUCH more expensive. I'm lucky that mine wasn't missing anything so I didn't have to do much searching for the really hard parts to find,but even the stuff you can't avoid rebuilding like the brakes,wheel bearings,grease seals,water pump,and carb are insanely expensive compared to Ford,Mopar,or GM stuff. Not driving it right now because I just had the head milled 125 thousands to clear up the warp so it would quit leaking oil down the side of the block,and the damn radiator took a dump. Going to cost me more than 500 bucks for a new one and right now I am spending most of my money on my 51 Ford coupe. Hope to get the radiator replaced and start putting new glasses and rubber in the cab this winter. It had glasses when I left Minot,but by the time I got home the door glasses were in tiny pieces down at the bottom. Those old cracked glasses didn't have a chance with the truck bouncing around on my 5 ton equipment trailer.
Why not just have the radiator recored? There are still shops around here that do that.
@Smokin JoeI still have the old green diamond six in mine. Also unrestored (K2). I also have electric start, (when it works LOL), otherwise, the hand crank is behind the seat. I need to replace the right rear tire (and tube), and re-do the brakes before I consider going for a drive, though, and I have removed the fuel tank to get it boiled out and kremed. I'll need a new float on the fuel sensor, too, and a new 6 volt battery. It's a labor of love...
Cool! Mine is an original unrestored (other than the brakes,and other essential mechanical items) D-2. Love the art deco styling,and most people are shocked to find out I can cruise along down the road at 60 mph in it with the original flathead 6 engine in it. The crank out windshield is what seems to attract the most attention,though.
A word of warning to any potential IHC restorers out there,though. I have or have had Fords,Dodges,Plymouths,and even a off-brand antique Chevrolet,and the IHC parts are harder to find and MUCH more expensive. I'm lucky that mine wasn't missing anything so I didn't have to do much searching for the really hard parts to find,but even the stuff you can't avoid rebuilding like the brakes,wheel bearings,grease seals,water pump,and carb are insanely expensive compared to Ford,Mopar,or GM stuff. Not driving it right now because I just had the head milled 125 thousands to clear up the warp so it would quit leaking oil down the side of the block,and the damn radiator took a dump. Going to cost me more than 500 bucks for a new one and right now I am spending most of my money on my 51 Ford coupe. Hope to get the radiator replaced and start putting new glasses and rubber in the cab this winter. It had glasses when I left Minot,but by the time I got home the door glasses were in tiny pieces down at the bottom. Those old cracked glasses didn't have a chance with the truck bouncing around on my 5 ton equipment trailer.
I still have the old green diamond six in mine. (K2) I also have electric start, when it works (LOL), otherwise, the hand crank is behind the seat. I need to replace the right rear tire (and tube), and re-do the brakes before I consider going for a drive, though, and I have removed the fuel tank to get it boiled out and kremed. I'll need a new float on the fuel sensor, too, and a new 6 volt battery. It's a labor of love...
@=Bigun
That's what I am going to do. These big 4 core copper radiator cores ain't cheap. I could get a whole new aluminum radiator and adapt it,but the truck is unmodified and going to stay that way as long as I have it.
Melania was used in a political attack ad by Cruz people first, implying something tawdry about her, and Trump always counterpunches. Think of it as he was defending his wife's honor. Seems politicians are allowed that, aren't they?
Melania was used in a political attack ad by Cruz people first, implying something tawdry about her, and Trump always counterpunches. Think of it as he was defending his wife's honor. Seems politicians are allowed that, aren't they?And by the way Melania is tawdry, but lucky for her she isn't in the same class of tawdry as the rest of the Trump clan!
Yet Trumpers spoke unspeakable things about Cruz's wife and continue to with glee and any man who is worth his salt would never support a man who spoke about and who's followers spoke about their wife so with such gleefully malignance and they now cry because Cruz wouldn't support Trump what a bunch of two face hypocrites!
It wasn't about being prettier per se. It was all about his trophy and how much more of a winner he is verses Cruz because he has no such trophy in his view. Never mind actual commitment, love and honor - it's about nothing more than winners and losers in Trump's mind. It is just another shiny gold plated object for him to flaunt to show why he is the "greatest".
Do yourself a favor and start looking around for one of those old seriously substantial drum pullers with the "fingers" that bolt to the lugs, and the center piece you smack a BUNCH with a BFH. The rear hubs on these things slide up on tapered axles with keyways,and there must have been sfome sort of law back in the 30's and 40's against putting grease on the axle stub or the drum where the key goes. After 30 to 50 years of getting hot,cooling down,and growing to the axle,pulling the rear drums is a nightmare. Basically,they use the same drums and puller as the 30's and 40's Mopars.Thanks for the advice. The e-brake works, but the others don't! I found that out when I trailered it in (I had it running but the fuel tank was full of crap, so we just ran it with a small gas can gravity feeding into the carb (farm boy stunt!). I have a long way to go. Still hunting parts, and I got started a little a few years back and now have to find a couple of the bits I took off and put away for safe keeping (I should know better, I may not see them again --until I find replacements!).
Best way to deal with pulling them is to smack the hell out of the arm and put tension on the big screw that runs through it. Then let it sit for a while before going back out to it and smacking the brake drum moderately with the BFH all around the outer circumference to let the vibrations help release the death grip the drum has on the axle. Smack the arm to tightern the center screw again,smack the brake drum a few more times,and go off and leave it sit for a while before repeating. Make sure you don't put enough screw tension on the axle end that you mushroom it. You usually don't get them off the same day you start,but with patience they will pop off eventually. Sometimes you can hear them when they let go even if you are not standing real close.
Also,do yourself a serious favor and replace ALL the hard brake lines with the new copper-nickel brake lines you can bend with your hand and not kink them. They will never rust either inside or out,so you eliminate a problem when you do this. Also replace the rubber brake lines and make sure your emergency brake is adjusted property while you have the drums off. The adjusters can be rusty inside on the old trucks,and it's easier to take them apart,clean the threads and lightly lube them before putting the drums back on. IF you are very lucky,no previous owner has cut the emergency brake cables during a earlier brake job. Remember,you only have a single outlet master cylinder,so if one brake line goes out you lose all your brakes if your ebrake doesn't work.
They blame Cruz for running pics of Melania but Liz Mair openly admitted that she is the one who ran them as part of an anti Trump superpac ad. Mair supported Rubio.Sure they do.
Trumpers continue to lie about it but I guess they have to at this point.
Trumpers continue to lie about it but I guess they have to at this point.
Trumpers continue to lie about a lot of things.SLDD... :thud:
SLDD... :thud:
Ever since his humiliation rejection by Utah voters, rejection that was Biblical in its magnitude, Donald Trump has been mewling about a FACEBOOK!! ad run by a tiny, tiny super PAC called Make America Awesome that cost in the mid-three figures to run. The ad advocated voting for Cruz for the sole reason that it would keep Trump from getting any delegates. The two main people behind the Super PAC, Rick Wilson and Liz Mair are not Ted Cruz fans. Quite the opposite. For instance:
Rick Wilson
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@TheRickWilson
Dear media outlets in possession of The Thing; I know you're scared about legal. Have an intern post it on YouTube and then "discover" it.
11:15 PM - 11 Mar 2016
Trump had the images of Melania Knauss shot specifically to ad buzz to his stillborn presidential campaign. And now that the images have been used in a real campaign he's complaining. Pro Tip Donald: if you want people to take your defense of your wife seriously, and not laugh in your face, then treat her with a little respect and don't pay her to pose mostly nude to sexually stimulate random men.
Well they weren't Trump people. They were acting on Ted Cruz behalf to help him win among Mormons in Utah. Those were the type of people who were supporting Ted Cruz, moralistic.
No, I say we milk for all its worth. It's been very enlightening into the actions and rationale of Trump and his supporters.
Rule rewrites aren't conducted in the middle of the match. He broke the accepted rules. Period. What candidate ever has attacked another candidate's wife like Trump went after Heidi?
Especially considering the 'retaliation' was against people who had not put out the ad.
Ready! Fire! Aim!
Normally, wives and kids aren't fair game, and especially not like that:
The 'My wife is prettier than your wife' bit (Dunno, what's yours look like without make-up?)
The 'She's a mastermind of the global banking cartel' bit (Why isn't she richer than you are Donny?)
The 'She practically wrote NAFTA all by herself, runs the CFR and designed the Amero schtik. (Oh, really? NOT!)
The 'Here's a picture of her having a bad day sitting on the side of the road' pic, 'right next to traffic!' (Ever eat at a sidewalk cafe? walk on a sidewalk? You're likely closer.)
And all because a PAC not affiliated with Cruz posted a COVER image from GQ magazine? Seen as part of this article:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3201088/Melania-Trump-Lady-pose-NUDE-talk-incredible-sex-life-Donald-Howard-Stern-rival-Jackie-Kennedy-elegance-style-quiet-strength.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3201088/Melania-Trump-Lady-pose-NUDE-talk-incredible-sex-life-Donald-Howard-Stern-rival-Jackie-Kennedy-elegance-style-quiet-strength.html)
What region devastating war awaits us while (and even after) people figure out the country we are retaliating against is NOT the one who attacked us? Because he went after the wrong guy, and then lied about it to 'justify' having attacked Heidi Cruz.
Being a trumpbot means never having to say you're sorry... :facepalm2:
I'll vote for Cruz [for a third time] if he runs for the Senate again.
No sorrys needed.
It's neither here nor there...now is it?
Glad you're not buying Trump's libelous smear (well, libelous in any venue outside of politics) of Lyin' Ted. :beer:
"Lyin Ted" was a simple slogan for simple people.
I will vote for him for one reason: I'll be considering it a vote for 2-3 SCOTUS Judges. Only that.
Then you are still deceiving yourself that he would want to appoint anything like a conservative. He won't.
"Lyin Ted" was a simple slogan for simple people.
And I suppose "bombing the hell....'' (Trumpese) is something other than carpet bombing?
Well...yeah. It is. I liked Ted much better than Trump, but that was a poor choice of words on his part.
(http://i414.photobucket.com/albums/pp221/drw509/carpet.jpg)
As of 7/27/16. Ted Cruz maintains occupancy in Trump's head.
And I suppose "bombing the hell....'' (Trumpese) is something other than carpet bombing?
Well...yeah. It is. I liked Ted much better than Trump, but that was a poor choice of words on his part.
Trumpers continue to lie about a lot of things.
Donald Trump is good at branding. That's how he has extended his reach in business, through branding.
The only reason that a brand or label sticks is if there is some truth to it. For example, 'low-energy' Jeb worked because it was true; crooked Hillery works because it's true.
If someone is skinny but you call him fatso, they just shrug, while others look at you like your nuts. It doesn't stick.
Lyin' Ted...well, that stuck.
Donald Trump is good at lying, deceiving and massive corruption!
#NeverTrump
Cruz was right. Carpet bombing ISIS convoys would be effective....
@Hoodat
They HAVE to lie,and the biggest lies are ones they tell themselves so they can look at themselves in the mirror without flinching.
Which words are poor?
@libertybele
Of course he is. He is a sociopath,and doesn't have a conscience to get in his way. EVERYTHING he does is wonderful BECAUSE it was he that did it.
Except that's not what he said. Here's the exact quote when he first made the statement on December 5, 2015:
"We will carpet bomb them into oblivion. I don’t know if sand can glow in the dark, but we’re going to find out,"
No mention of targeting convoys, etc.. He subsequently issued statements walking that back, but that just confirms that the initial statement was a poor choice of words. "Carpet bombing" has a very specific connotation, and that does not include targeting convoys. In fact, the only think you target in "carpet bombing" is a piece of ground. It is really the opposite of targeting, which is exactly why he got flak (pun intended) for his statement. It's why people without military experience should be careful about using euphemisms, because they may very well have a meaning of which the person is unaware.
I think it was blown out of proportion, and I don't think he ever actually meant to endorse carpet bombing. But that's exactly why it was a poor choice of words on his part.
Donald Trump is good at branding. That's how he has extended his reach in business, through branding.That's simply not true. It's more about a lie being repeated often enough soon becomes the truth among the uninformed. That and certain people wanting to believe something is true because it makes them feel better about their own bad choices. Unless, of course, you actually believe that Hillary is the smartest woman in the world or that the Donald is a racist and a sexist, both labels which stick to them.
The only reason that a brand or label sticks is if there is some truth to it. For example, 'low-energy' Jeb worked because it was true; crooked Hillery works because it's true.
If someone is skinny but you call him fatso, they just shrug, while others look at you like your nuts. It doesn't stick.
Lyin' Ted...well, that stuck.
Well...yeah. It is. I liked Ted much better than Trump, but that was a poor choice of words on his part.
or that the Donald is a racist and a sexist, both labels which stick to them.
I am still hoping that he finds reason to drop out of the race.
I'm cool with carpet bombing. It would probably be considerably more effective than this was which was more smaller cluster bombs and precision munitions. As bad as it looks, it really didn't kill the numbers of personnel we once believed it killed. If you look closely a lot of the vehicles are largely untouched with doors hanging open from drivers getting out and fleeing.
(http://i.imgur.com/EA1maGe.jpg)
Good old fashioned old school carpet bombing would kill a lot more personnel which is really how you have to fight ISIS.
That wasn't carpet bombing.[/b]
I don't know why this is so difficult. Anyone being remotely honest would acknowledge, "yeah, it was a poor choice of words, but he clarified it and it's been blown out of proportion." That's fine, but instead, we get the arguing that it really wasn't a poor choice of words at all.
It was.
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#NeverTrump
Trump is simply amoral.Yep, Donald Trump has a mindset befitting a feudal lord from the middle ages. Who are we peasant to question him? Sad to see so many collaborateurs in the Republican party defending him and his way of living.
To Donald Trump, right and wrong are as simple as what he does or doesn't want at any given moment.
That wasn't carpet bombing.
I don't know why this is so difficult. Anyone being remotely honest would acknowledge, "yeah, it was a poor choice of words, but he clarified it and it's been blown out of proportion." That's fine, but instead, we get the arguing that it really wasn't a poor choice of words at all.
It was.
Literal vs. historical interpretations.
That might be why I made the point of saying it was smaller munitions.
Trumps own words would prove he is sexist.I agree with you that tRump is a sexist, in that unless you are an attractive woman he has know use for you. I firmly believes he loves his daughter because she is attractive with know noticeable deficits. If she was not attractive he would have no use for her. The question I was really asking is that if labels stick because there is some truth to them, do tRump supporters believe there is at least some truth to the fact that he is a racists and sexist, and if they do believe it, how could they possibly support him.
I agree with you that tRump is a sexist, in that unless you are an attractive woman he has know use for you. I firmly believes he loves his daughter because she is attractive with know noticeable deficits. If she was not attractive he would have no use for her. The question I was really asking is that if labels stick because there is some truth to them, do tRump supporters believe there is at least some truth to the fact that he is a racists and sexist, and if they do believe it, how could they possibly support him.
It's neither here nor there...now is it?You didn't answer my question. Right at the top of that post, so you didn't have to ignore the whole thing to ignore it.
Donald Trump is good at branding. That's how he has extended his reach in business, through branding.
The only reason that a brand or label sticks is if there is some truth to it. For example, 'low-energy' Jeb worked because it was true; crooked Hillery works because it's true.
If someone is skinny but you call him fatso, they just shrug, while others look at you like your nuts. It doesn't stick.
Lyin' Ted...well, that stuck.
I am still hoping that he finds reason to drop out of the race.He probably will--just about Halloween.
Like you said, some truth: "Ted" was the true part.
That wasn't carpet bombing.IIRC, that column was cut off at choke points and worked over by A-10s and other aircraft.
I don't know why this is so difficult. Anyone being remotely honest would acknowledge, "yeah, it was a poor choice of words, but he clarified it and it's been blown out of proportion." That's fine, but instead, we get the arguing that it really wasn't a poor choice of words at all.
It was.
The convoy was three miles long, and the US engaged all of its available aerial attack units to target it. However, bad weather and low visibility was hindering the attack.Source:https://www.warhistoryonline.com/war-articles/the-kuwait-highway-of-death.html (https://www.warhistoryonline.com/war-articles/the-kuwait-highway-of-death.html)
First to reach the convoy were USMC A-6E Intruder jets with ammunition of Mark 20 Rockeye cluster bombs. They targeted the front and rear ends of the convoy to prevent it moving back or forwards and thus become a prime target for more attacks. The convoy became cut off.
Subsequently, the entire convoy was attacked by coalition aerial forces for around 10 hours. Any vehicle that diverted off of the highway was tracked, hunted and destroyed.
An A-10 Warthog aircraft pilot who took part in the attacks said that it was like a fireworks show with explosions all over the place.
Highway 8 was also being used by the Iraqi Republican Guard, which was trying to escape Kuwait from that route. US AH-64 Apache helicopters targeted the men and destroyed hundreds of military vehicles including tanks and personnel carriers.
Donald Trump is good at lying, deceiving and massive corruption!Donald Trump is the Applewhite of this decade.
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Other than to true Trump supporters I don't think "Lyin' Ted" stuck except to the extent it was so outrageous that it was taken as a comment more on Trump than Cruz. I thought it was unwarranted, and pretty sickening. One of many bad Trump moments.As a Cruz supporter, every time I saw the "lyin' Ted" crap, frankly, it pissed me off.
"Low-energy", on the other hand, resonated with anyone. Still a rude, nasty thing to say, but aptly descriptive.
As a Cruz supporter, every time I saw the "lyin' Ted" crap, frankly, it pissed me off.
I knew where it came from, as Trump will give derogatory nicknames to anyone he considers an adversary:
"little Marco"
"Dopey Prince Al-Walid" (in a business deal)
"Crooked Hillary"
But that says something aobut someone who is running for President. What's next? "Poopy Putin"?
Hardly the sophistication or demeanor one would expect from Presidential material.
As for Cruz being "low Energy", I think there is a difference between being reserved in demeanor and 'low energy'. No one who is out campaigning, running a grueling schedule is (of necessity) 'low energy'. Having a composed and adult demeanor, someone who my grandmother would have felt had good enough manners to be in the parlor, so to speak, is not something I see as a negative. Proper decorum would be nice for a change, considering the current occupant of 1600 PA Ave slapped the Queen of England on the back.
Note, too, that Ronald Reagan spoke calmly, even when angry, and you will see what I mean. This is statecraft, not WWE. Jumping around like a poorly disciplined child may impress some, but it would not play well with heads of State elsewhere, and for all the 'energy' Trump displays, it is voiced as disjointed sentence fragments and incomplete thought trains instead of a directed and coherent mental process.
Beyond one liners, he frays, and I don't see that as a plus.
Other than to true Trump supporters I don't think "Lyin' Ted" stuck except to the extent it was so outrageous that it was taken as a comment more on Trump than Cruz. I thought it was unwarranted, and pretty sickening. One of many bad Trump moments.
"Low-energy", on the other hand, resonated with anyone. Still a rude, nasty thing to say, but aptly descriptive.
I'm not sure if he's a racist, though I do think he's a sexist. But so is Hillary (more so, even), so that really doesn't enter the calculus for me.
I get your point. I'm voting for Trump, but I absolutely cannot understand those who support him, but can't/won't admit that he's a turdball in many ways. He is a very, very crappy consolation prize. But honestly, in watching the DNC, that party has gone completely off the rails. They have leapt on identity politics and collectivism to a degree that would have ashamed even many Democrats in 2008. So, warts and all, I vote for him.
As a wart, he's ugly and hairy, but at least he's benign. He can be cut out or removed at some point, 4 years max. But those Dems over in Philly are malignant. They have an organization, machine, committed doctrine, intensely loyal interest groups, and a good slice of the judiciary behind them. They will grow, and spread if they aren't stopped.
"Low energy" destroyed Bush. Not because Bush was actually low energy - you don't govern a state being low energy. He was just boring & wore glasses. The name resonated because of the image Bush projected.
The "Lyin Ted" meme was a Trump camp fabrication that only worked as an integral part of their strategy of attacking what in reality is Cruz's strength - his integrity.
Of course those who still think the insult is cute know its bogus & continue to troll using it. I guess that makes them dishonest.
It's stuck with Rush and Hannity...they both would use it...repeatedly.One more reason to not tune in either one of them. I consider them as accurate as the National Enquirer, and I don't have a virtual birdcage to line.
IIRC, that column was cut off at choke points and worked over by A-10s and other aircraft.
I am still hoping that he finds reason to drop out of the race.
It's stuck with Rush and Hannity...they both would use it...repeatedly.
Hannity is a ninny & Rush is a bore. Both have been loyal shills for the Donster.
Hannity needs to have his tailor fabricate some cushion knee pads into his suits for comfort.
I'm cool with carpet bombing. It would probably be considerably more effective than this was which was more smaller cluster bombs and precision munitions. As bad as it looks, it really didn't kill the numbers of personnel we once believed it killed. If you look closely a lot of the vehicles are largely untouched with doors hanging open from drivers getting out and fleeing.
Okay, I see the point you were making there. But targeting a specific vehicle convoy isn't carpet-bombing by definition.
(http://i.imgur.com/JA3zq1g.jpg)Good one! :laugh:
That is correct.
Hog drivers made mincemeat out of Sadaam's retreating army.
(http://11mvce1u204yohuqc313738f.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/961839-a10.jpg)
I believe Trump and Hillary have been produced from the same political machine and both the DNC and RNC have gone off the rails. If those in power have been unable to remove Barry with a majority in both Houses do you think they'd be able to get rid of Trump or stop him? If King Trump is crowned he's in there for the long haul; however long it takes to fulfill the objective of those in power. If the RNC/GOPe didn't want him in position they would have supported Cruz and at the convention they would have stuck to their own rules. Instead they bypassed some of their own rules, stripped other candidates of delegates and denied delegates a roll call vote. "They" wanted him in place. There are reasons Trump met with Ryan and Preibus long before the convention. The fix is in for Hillary.
Good one! :laugh:
I can still tolerate Rush, mostly for old times sake.
I cannot tolerate Hannity. He is shmutz of the first order.
@INVAR @Smokin Joe
If you are on the ground in the area where a Spooky gun ship or a flight of A-10's are working over,it's awful hard to convince you that SOMEBODY ain't being bombed when you are closer than "danger close" and can feel the ground vibrate from the cannon strikes.
I have never been able to handled the dullard Hannity.
But this past week was the first time I turned on Rush and had to turn it off again soon thereafter. Sad. I listened to him in the 80s, and went to the taping of his TV show in the 90s.
I have never been able to handled the dullard Hannity.
But this past week was the first time I turned on Rush and had to turn it off again soon thereafter. Sad. I listened to him in the 80s, and went to the taping of his TV show in the 90s.
I gave up on Rush a month or two ago. I listened as often as I could for 20 years. Now I can't handle 5 minutes.
He's sold out, and IMO, if he ever really was a Conservative, he is no longer. His love for Trump sucked out his brain.
BIG disappointment.
Reagan endorsed Ford in 1976 and won Potus in 1980.Reagan did NOT endorse Ford!
Cruz withheld endorsing tonight, and it will no be forgotten. It is a symbol of political judgment.
Just the DU rounds alone impacting the ground can be felt almost mile away, not to mention JDAMS or Hellfires. Then there's that sound after the impacts of "BRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAPPPP!" followed by the scream of the engines whistling by as the Hog peels up and away, sometimes dropping chaff and flares as it goes.
Spooky you never hear. You just get to watch the carnage of the mini guns laying everything waste or the whumps of the Howitzers or the Bofors impacting targets.
Spooky you never hear. You just get to watch the carnage of the mini guns laying everything waste or the whumps of the Howitzers or the Bofors impacting targets.
If Rush had simply stated that Trump was not a conservative and not a valid option for the GOP a year ago, we would not be in this predicament.
"Low energy" destroyed Bush. Not because Bush was actually low energy - you don't govern a state being low energy. He was just boring & wore glasses. The name resonated because of the image Bush projected.
The "Lyin Ted" meme was a Trump camp fabrication that only worked as an integral part of their strategy of attacking what in reality is Cruz's strength - his integrity.
Of course those who still think the insult is cute know its bogus & continue to troll using it. I guess that makes them dishonest.
Yes,you can when they are down around 500 feet and circling around above you as they fire.
If those in power have been unable to remove Barry with a majority in both Houses do you think they'd be able to get rid of Trump or stop him?
If Rush had simply stated that Trump was not a conservative and not a valid option for the GOP a year ago, we would not be in this predicament.
I'll take your word. I've never been that close to one over a target. Closest I got to one was while it was on the tarmac.
As to Limbaugh - I think he is a Party Hack, stuck in the paradigm that there is only one party possible to counter the Democrats even though the mountains of evidence about their collusion with the Leftists is overwhelming.
Rush loves Trump - and likes his rudeness and over-the-top insults directed at any opponent.
Rush admires him for that and giggles over the fact Trump is not a statesman, but a mobster.
Rush not only sold out - he betrayed the very things he spoke about for the 28 years I've listened to him.
He gave us warning signs though. I remember him urging the House NOT to impeach Bill Clinton, because his logic was that "Unless you are guaranteed to kill the king, you do not attempt to take him out" or something like that.
Whatever it is, Rush is loyal to his golfing pal - and that is fine, but his shilling for a liberal I cannot stomach.
So Rush, like the GOP is dead to me.
Now his show is a tired rehash of 90's vintage pompom shaking.
@INVAR @Smokin JoeI worked a well in Nevada, east of Nellis AFB and Area 51, and we were treated to the occasional overflight by A-10s and F-16s. Both impressive, frankly, but the A-10 pilots had those remarkably nimble machines looking like hawks hunting in a field...I was on foot at the time, and the first thing I thought was "I sure am glad they aren't hunting me."
If you are on the ground in the area where a Spooky gun ship or a flight of A-10's are working over,it's awful hard to convince you that SOMEBODY ain't being bombed when you are closer than "danger close" and can feel the ground vibrate from the cannon strikes.
Donald Trump is good at branding. That's how he has extended his reach in business, through branding.Well I guess that is because of the type of people Trump appeals to. Polls have shown that he is popular with the uneducated. Third grade school yard taunts are very popular amongst certain individuals. But when you reach voting age you should have matured.
The only reason that a brand or label sticks is if there is some truth to it. For example, 'low-energy' Jeb worked because it was true; crooked Hillery works because it's true.
If someone is skinny but you call him fatso, they just shrug, while others look at you like your nuts. It doesn't stick.
Lyin' Ted...well, that stuck.
After 25 years of his 'advanced conservative studies' spiel and the fact he repeatedly admitted Cruz was the 'conservative choice' I kept waiting for Rush to make the call for Cruz.Rush made a financial decision. Despite having half a billion dollars he figured not backing Trump would cost him money and position in the rich guys club.
As it turns out he likely could've changed the outcome of the primaries but he never stepped up.
Now his show is a tired rehash of 90's vintage pompom shaking.
Yes.Just to twist the idea the other way, I think there are enough Democrats who would leave Trump in. He'd set them up for a clean sweep (House/Senate/White House) in 2020, not to mention implementing a host of socialist programs when the GOP was kicked out after the YUUUGE mess, and they'd beat the GOP with the outcome of a Trump Administration for decades. The GOP would be voting against the White House, and the Dems would be 'grudgingly' going along in a sense of 'bipartisanship'.
The difference is that while you only need a majority in the House to impeach a President, you need 2/3 to get a conviction in the Senate. And that was never, ever going to happen with 45+ Senate Democrats. And everyone would have known that from the start, so the whole thing would have been a joke.
If Trump goes off the rails, the Democrats might be more than happy to impeach a Republican President, and you'd have a lot of Republicans more excited about a President Pence than a President Trump. In other words, Trump would see more defections from Senate Republicans (probably Cruz for starters....) than Obama would have seen from Senate Democrats.
I don't even think that's arguable.
I could never stand Hannity. The melees on his shows with Leftists were nauseating and I couldn't handle hearing "Let me tell you something" about a dozen times a minute.Out of habit I turned on Rush today hoping for a miracle. Which didn't happen. Rush opened his program today enthusiastically talking about the greatness of Der Donald with the email fiasco. I turned him off after about 20 seconds.
Rush I permanently turned off about a month ago and canceled my 24/7 when it became obvious he was totally in the tank for his golf buddy and sacrificed everything we thought he stood for for a stalking horse for Hillary. It was painful to hear him spin Trump's Liberalism as something of a good thing for the GOP. The last straw was when I heard him yell at a woman who was a Cruz supporter than not voting for Trump was a vote for Hillary.
Oh well. We were told that there would be a massive falling away from the truth at the time of the end. I guess this is just another form of it taking shape
Like you said, some truth: "Ted" was the true part.
I worked a well in Nevada, east of Nellis AFB and Area 51, and we were treated to the occasional overflight by A-10s and F-16s. Both impressive, frankly, but the A-10 pilots had those remarkably nimble machines looking like hawks hunting in a field...I was on foot at the time, and the first thing I thought was "I sure am glad they aren't hunting me."
That aircraft is as beautiful as it is ugly, from a capability vs looks standpoint.
It is one of those designs that will be right for the role for a long time before something better comes along.
Trump follows the "Big Lie" theory. Tell a big lie, keep telling it until people believe it.Oh, the tactic is obvious. Make the lie a household word, then even people who know the truth, deep down, will repeat it.
There need be no truth in it.
@Smokin JoeThe funny thing is, that while the Warthog doesn't have the sexy lines, (and I'm not a pilot, never in the service, even) just watching that plane in capable hands was a thing of beauty. When man first dreamed of taking to wing like the birds, maybe he didn't envision that hawk hunting mice in a field, or an Osprey fishing, but I have watched both at length and the Warthog is the only thing I have seen without meat on its wings that flies like that. Beautiful, awe inspiring, even intimidating, and that's if you are a friend.
Yet the boneheads in the AF want to get rid of them because they ain't fighters,and fighters are "sexy".
We used to rely on the old A1 Skyraider for close ground support tac air,and it would definitely bring the damn-damn with it when it came. Carried twice as much ordinance as the typical fighter-bomber of the time,and could and would fly slow enough and low enough to put it where you wanted it. A seriously good thing when you being overran and need some 50 cals and 20 mm cannon shots to get the enemy off your chest. Not to mention the A1's were the ones you desperately wanted when it came time to drop napalm right on the edge of your perimeter. The fast movers would try,but the best they could usually do was put it in the right general area.
And from what I hear,the A-10 is so superior as a troop support gun ship there is no comparison to the old A-1's. They even have the advantage of flying a lot faster than the old A1's, meaning they can get there to help you quicker,and can still fly slow enough to put it where you want it.
And the pilots,like the A-1 pilots take GREAT pride in being able to do so. They seem to care nothing about being "dashing fighter pilots",but they do love the idea of being the Calvary riding/flying to the rescue. Unfortunately,being a A-10 Warthog pilot is not helpful career-wise if you ever hope to wear stars.
And that's ironic since he loudly and angrily declared he was NOT going to carry the water for RNC after McCain's loss in 2008.
Back in the 90's Rush used to call Clinton conspiracy theorists and enforce-our-immigration-laws-now types "Kooks".I noticed he would take a run at the Clintons and always pull that final, haymaker, punch.
The GOP was simply the living end AND Bush invited Rush to stay in the Lincoln Bedroom.
I thought he had learned something in the interim.
And from what I hear,the A-10 is so superior as a troop support gun ship there is no comparison to the old A-1's. They even have the advantage of flying a lot faster than the old A1's, meaning they can get there to help you quicker,and can still fly slow enough to put it where you want it.
Unfortunately,being a A-10 Warthog pilot is not helpful career-wise if you ever hope to wear stars.
Combat grunts LOVE them Hogs. When danger is close, nothing hits Hajii harder and more accurately (except a JDAM) than a strafing run by a Hog Driver that knows how to skim the treetops and lay down fire that will instantly liquefy an entire brigade of Jihadists.
Hog drivers are essentially grunts in the AF that have more in common with a platoon cmdr than a career officer with sleek wings to a tech savvy fast mover.
Combat grunts LOVE them Hogs. When danger is close, nothing hits Hajii harder and more accurately (except a JDAM) than a strafing run by a Hog Driver that knows how to skim the treetops and lay down fire that will instantly liquefy an entire brigade of Jihadists.
Hog drivers are essentially grunts in the AF that have more in common with a platoon cmdr than a career officer with sleek wings to a tech savvy fast mover.
Combat grunts LOVE them Hogs. When danger is close, nothing hits Hajii harder and more accurately (except a JDAM) than a strafing run by a Hog Driver that knows how to skim the treetops and lay down fire that will instantly liquefy an entire brigade of Jihadists.
Hog drivers are essentially grunts in the AF that have more in common with a platoon cmdr than a career officer with sleek wings to a tech savvy fast mover.
Several of you fellows talk about this with the confidence of experience, experience that I don't have. So let me further hijack the thread with a question : why isn't tactical air support with fixed wing aircraft like the A-10 moved back to Army command? It seems that the Army and the Air Force want to concentrate on different battlefields; wouldn't it make more sense to give the Army all aspects of its battlefield, including close air support of troops on the ground, and let the Air Force focus on the strategic mission and air superiority?
Apologies to mods and everyone else if I'm perpetuating an unwelcome drift in the thread topic.
@CatherineofAragon
I then put on Levin's show from yesterday. Now Levin says he will vote for Trump to avoid having Hillary in the WH. But Levin doesn't shrink from nailing Trump on his numerous faults.
@CatherineofAragon
Doesn't matter a single Tinkers dam in the end though. He sold out just as I long predicted he would.
I would like to take this opportunity to publicly laugh in the faces of all those staunch 'conservatives' who called me everything but a white man for calling Levin what his actions PROVE he is. A fraud.
I told you so folks.
He has a solid history of saying one thing during the leadup to an election and another right before the election when he tells his audience to vote for whatever POS the GOP provides. Thats history. Thats a fact.
Mitt Romney ring any bells? Mr. Conservative Levin went out and told his audience to elect the guy that profits from the abortions his own laws enabled.
A F T E R he spent months telling us what a bad guy Romney was. That to is a fact of history. Do you suppose that Romney and now Trump are suddenly free of all his prior criticzms? Do you suppose that their idiocy is now OK to give pass to because ...reasons? Now do YOU think it's acceptable to milk your audience for ratings and profit at the expense of your country? Because I sure as hell do not.
Oh...and he did it just like Jim Robinson did. Birds of a feather.
EDIT: PS: Call me arrogant all you like. Don't care. I was right and I am NOT ashamed of it. Listen to people like me next time and you won't have to make excuses for fallen idols.
"Low energy" destroyed Bush. Not because Bush was actually low energy - you don't govern a state being low energy. He was just boring & wore glasses
That is correct.Warthogs are bad ass planes. Coonts did an amazing job of describing their capabilities in his first book.
Hog drivers made mincemeat out of Sadaam's retreating army.
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Destroyed? You think winning two Presidential elections has one 'destroyed'?@skeeter
Kinda dramatic I would think.
Romney would have been UNQUESTIONABLY better than the African Moslem.
UNQUESTIONABLY.
He's a leftist RINO - I get that. He's not a wrecking ball. He's not a child filled with Marxist rot.
He's not a Moslem.
Those were sound reasons to support Romney at the end of the day.
I cannot find similar sound reasons today.
But Levin recognized, then, that the less-evil was the better choice.
FWIW, Levin seems on the verge of giving a grudging nod for Trump. He can if he wants; but I think it's a coin toss. He'd probably preserve more cred just saying so as well.
Evil is evil. When you start putting it classes, in lesser and greater modes, all that is done is to give an excuse to choose which evil will be accepted, not the refutation of evil in and of itself.
At the end of the day, the lesser evil argument is one put forth by the morally bankrupt because ultimately, they WILL accept evil on their terms. If that upsets people, reevaluate your voting folks, because it's true regardless of any polite feelings involved.
They should just go ahead and turn them over to the Army like they planned to do prior to their last star turn during Desert Storm.
This isnt the first time the AF has tried to rid themselves of the A10.
As an aside...former Dallas Cowboys DE Chad Hennings flew Warthogs in Kuwait in 1991
Several of you fellows talk about this with the confidence of experience, experience that I don't have. So let me further hijack the thread with a question : why isn't tactical air support with fixed wing aircraft like the A-10 moved back to Army command?
Destroyed? You think winning two Presidential elections has one 'destroyed'?
Kinda dramatic I would think.
Several of you fellows talk about this with the confidence of experience, experience that I don't have. So let me further hijack the thread with a question : why isn't tactical air support with fixed wing aircraft like the A-10 moved back to Army command? It seems that the Army and the Air Force want to concentrate on different battlefields; wouldn't it make more sense to give the Army all aspects of its battlefield, including close air support of troops on the ground, and let the Air Force focus on the strategic mission and air superiority?
Apologies to mods and everyone else if I'm perpetuating an unwelcome drift in the thread topic.
I don't care if he's a VooDoo witch doctor. The guy and his supporters traded the lives of babies away to try winning an election.
Romney profited from his own laws that killed human babies. His supporters knew that going in and gave their approval of trading babies lives for victory. Then lost.
Not my fault...just their lack of morality. Some of them realized their mistake. Some didn't.
At the end of the day, the lesser evil argument is one put forth by the morally bankrupt because ultimately, they WILL accept evil on their terms. If that upsets people, reevaluate your voting folks, because it's true regardless of any polite feelings involved.
Maybe it has to do with the relationship between providing good CAS, and needing relative air superiority. If you don't control the air, then effective CAS is much more difficult, and you'll lose planes. So (and this is guessing since I wasn't in the AF), the people who are shaping the air battlefield are in the best position to control the commitment of CAS. You also have the whole issue of requiring separate airfields, separate command structures, logistical support (fuel, for example) etc. for fixed wing aircraft. Putting it all under the same command structure simplifies a lot of the those problems.
So basically what you do is set this impossibly high standard for what is and isn't a sellout so that you never have to commit to ome person or another and you're never wrong in your mind....got it.
I notice too that you waited until Levin's name was mentioned to even show up on this thread. Do you jabe anything to add to thr OP or were you just waiting on your chance to skewer Levin because hes your personal daemon. I notice that you left Rush and Hannity alone. Why is that?
Evil is evil. When you start putting it classes, in lesser and greater modes, all that is done is to give an excuse to choose which evil will be accepted, not the refutation of evil in and of itself.
So basically what you do is set this impossibly high standard for what is and isn't a sellout so that you never have to commit to ome person or another and you're never wrong in your mind....got it.
If Levin wants to support Trump, that's his business. He's a grown man. It is a decision that he is going to have to live with, not me.
But if he starts telling us that Trump is a Conservative, or that voting for anyone other than Trump is a vote for Hillary, or if he starts badgering us in any way to vote for Trump, then he becomes dead to me. I can't handle the lying.
It's the very same mindset that leads people to call themselves conservatives while voting for people who offer the exact opposite of everything they say between elections.
They want to sit at that table while doing nothing to have earned their place there. They WANT. It's really no deeper than that. They want to be called conservative no matter how liberal their voting is. They will simply blame you for calling them on their actions.
Trump does that daily. So they do that as well. Before him, it was Romney. Or Mitch. Or Jonbon. It doesn't matter what liberal the GOP puts up, they vote for it and demand their seat at the conservative table instead of where their actions place them. At the kids table with the rest of their Democrat brethren.
Why? So they can destroy from within and ensure that a Liberal wins. Look at the last three four elections. Fully within the age of the Internet with any info imaginable a mere mouseclick away and what do they do? Spread rumor, attack facts, act like card carrying Democrats and DEMAND they be called conservative...which helps make the word utterly meaningless.
I can't begin to tell you how many people I have talked to in my life that think people like the current Trump crowd, or the Romneybots before them were 'conservative' and thus wanted nothing to do with the brand as those people disgusted them. Much like the drunk 'christian' that blows his check at the strip joint Saturday night and sits piously in the pews Sunday morning.
Frauds. Hypocrites. Evil. There are many descriptors that apply fully. They hate hearing there is consequence to their actions. But they never hate it enough to do anything to repeat their behavior and condemn anyone with enough of a spine to point it out.
Well, Norm, this is the reason we have a Congress with a couple of warriors for Liberty and a host of 'centrists' and Liberals.
The "He's our Liberal" or our "lesser evil" argument has been winning elections for too long.
There is a comforting convenience in electing the status quo, people have the same somethings to bitch about, the same things to get angry about, like that ache in a knee or elbow in the morning, those problems, those chains are an old friend.
Only now, that ache isn't just an arthritic twinge, but heralds something that is growing, getting worse, contagious, metastasizing, and accelerating. The bromides of denial work only so long, the opiates of the Media will only mask the damage for a while, and sooner or later the pain will burn through the analgesics, by which time the damage will be done.
Then, inevitably, fingers will be pointed and excuses made, but the bottom line is that there is always the choice to not do or not support evil.
Even so called conservatives are now hunting real conservatives for removal or to prevent them from being elected.
Mark Levin slams American Conservative Union for endorsing a RINO
https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2016/07/mark-levin-slams-american-conservative-union-for-endorsing-a-rino?utm_source=CRFB&utm_medium=FB&utm_campaign=acu+bongino
Hold off there Carnack...he hasn't said for sure hes voting for Trump.
Levin has a solid history as the Conservatives Conservative. So your BS about his allegedly selling out isnjust that...BS.
You didnt tell us anything but that your an arrogant prig who pretends to be above it all so you can laugh at all sides while pretending to be the only one who can see the error of our collective stupidity.
That doesn't make you smart ...just makes you an bleep.
Turf fights and jockeying for a larger chuck on the defense budget. It all about building and maintaining your empire.
Romney would have been UNQUESTIONABLY better than the African Moslem.It's the same reason why I am not beneath voting Johnson this time around, even though I disagree with him.
UNQUESTIONABLY.
He's a leftist RINO - I get that. He's not a wrecking ball. He's not a child filled with Marxist rot.
He's not a Moslem.
Those were sound reasons to support Romney at the end of the day.
I cannot find similar sound reasons today.
But Levin recognized, then, that the less-evil was the better choice.
That's not confined to the Military! That is the story of the entire federal government! Come to think of it it is the story of government in general no matter what level!
It's the same reason why I am not beneath voting Johnson this time around, even though I disagree with him.
Four years ago, Obama had to be defeated. Now, not only did he get re-elected, but both major parties have nominated candidates that fit parts of his mold: an egomaniacal tyrant in waiting in Trump, and a progressive machine loyalist in Clinton. I won't have any part of this anymore.
Very true. The problem comes in controlling the growth of governments at all levels. Government is an essential part of society. it holds the society together and protects the society from external and internal threats. But it grows naturally as it sees new needs it believes only it can fulfill. And generally it grows because society accepts that growth. Containing that growth with only a fraction of the society favoring containment is the challenge.
Four years ago, Obama had to be defeated. Now, not only did he get re-elected, but both major parties have nominated candidates that fit parts of his mold: an egomaniacal tyrant in waiting in Trump, and a progressive machine loyalist in Clinton. I won't have any part of this anymore.
And four years ago, the Republicans offered an alternative.
Today they do not. List the qualities of Billary - arrogant, incompetent, rich-through-crony-connections and without work; supports life-denying Leftist precepts...
...and all of them match Trump. ONLY difference is that Trump has not, YET, sloppily or deliberately made national-security classified information available to enemy-agent hackers or operatives.
YET.
That's not enough for me to go out and fight for the Big R.
On what planet is a guy that profits from the murder of unborn children his own laws allowed to be killed in the first place...a man whose laws empowered the baby parts industry, an 'alternative' to anyone but a liberal? For the 'Romney as Alternative' theory to be true, that would put Republican voters t least as low on the moral ladder as a Democrat. Which considering how many morally bankrupt 'conservatives' still pine for 'Chef du'Infant' of Club Stericycle, I guess would be this one, so I unfortunately answered my own question.
Do any of you Romney defenders ever stop and apply hindsight to what it was you tried to 'save' America with? Ever? Or are you so far gone that trading human life for 'winning' is perfectly acceptable? That would explain the Trump support though as once you cash in a childs life for a lottery ticket vote, what's a mere insane man by comparison?
RE: "Lying Ted"
As someone earlier in the thread pointed out, Cruz's greatest appeal to the voters was and is his integrity.
"TrustTED" was fantastic branding and Trump recognized this. He knows that branding appeals to the LIV. Since the LIV folks were the very same folks that Trump was going after as his core base, he needed to destroy the appearance of integrity with Cruz.
Thus "Lying Ted" was born. He sent out his minions to perpetuate the lie that Ted is a liar and had them post every insult they could think of with "TED" on the end of the word. It worked.
Destroying a man's honor and integrity is even worse than attacking his family, imo. When one has lost everything, one still has one's integrity.
Donald Trump is scum. How anyone could support such a dishonorable man, I cannot comprehend.
RE: "Lying Ted"
As someone earlier in the thread pointed out, Cruz's greatest appeal to the voters was and is his integrity.
"TrustTED" was fantastic branding and Trump recognized this. He knows that branding appeals to the LIV. Since the LIV folks were the very same folks that Trump was going after as his core base, he needed to destroy the appearance of integrity with Cruz.
Thus "Lying Ted" was born. He sent out his minions to perpetuate the lie that Ted is a liar and had them post every insult they could think of with "TED" on the end of the word. It worked.
Destroying a man's honor and integrity is even worse than attacking his family, imo. When one has lost everything, one still has one's integrity.
Donald Trump is scum. How anyone could support such a dishonorable man, I cannot comprehend.
RE: "Lying Ted"
As someone earlier in the thread pointed out, Cruz's greatest appeal to the voters was and is his integrity.
"TrustTED" was fantastic branding and Trump recognized this. He knows that branding appeals to the LIV. Since the LIV folks were the very same folks that Trump was going after as his core base, he needed to destroy the appearance of integrity with Cruz.
Thus "Lying Ted" was born. He sent out his minions to perpetuate the lie that Ted is a liar and had them post every insult they could think of with "TED" on the end of the word. It worked.
Destroying a man's honor and integrity is even worse than attacking his family, imo. When one has lost everything, one still has one's integrity.
Donald Trump is scum. How anyone could support such a dishonorable man, I cannot comprehend.
I agree. It will never happen, but it needs to happen. An IQ test and a test to prove basic knowledge of government and current events would help as well. Many of the LIVs that supported Trump own land, amazing as it is since he supports Kelo. :shrug:
There will always be a few who slip through. There are a fair amount of high-IQ voters who're voting for Her Hillaryness, too.
The trick is to, not try to block every one, but keep out the bulk of them. Simple land-ownership requirements would stop most.
Exactly. The lies are legion. He rivals Hillary and is possibly a bigger pathological liar than she.
I think he is. She generally seems to lie in order to cover her crimes and profits. Trump lies automatically about everything. He lies when the truth would actually work better for him,and he lies when there is absolutely nothing to gain by lying or even speaking about the subject.
Bubbette! is just evil. Trump is both evil AND insane.
Well, Norm, this is the reason we have a Congress with a couple of warriors for Liberty and a host of 'centrists' and Liberals.
The "He's our Liberal" or our "lesser evil" argument has been winning elections for too long.
There is a comforting convenience in electing the status quo, people have the same somethings to bitch about, the same things to get angry about, like that ache in a knee or elbow in the morning, those problems, those chains are an old friend.
EXCELLENT summation.
What it shows, is the folly of allowing low-information voters to vote. Remember, voting is NOT a Constitutional right. STATES determine the qualification of voters - and in the past, it was related to land ownership or tax payments.
We need to return to that. A stipulation that to vote, a resident must as determined by State, either pay a base minimum in Income Taxes, or own land worth a threshold amount. Keep the Free Sh_t Army voters out of the polls.
It will never happen, though, so long as we have Alinskyite street agitators or Republican solicitors of Low Information Voters who watch Reality TV, in charge.
I guess the collapse has to happen. We must hit bottom before starting back up...if we do start back up...
You didn't answer my question. Right at the top of that post, so you didn't have to ignore the whole thing to ignore it.
My question is what you think your criticism of Trump is accomplishing?
How about the fact it helps Hillary?
You people suck.
I don't know where you're getting that and I don't care. Romney is not an abortionist; and he is not a candidate.
That election is DONE. We have to look ahead - and since there is no workable alternative, in any direction, we have to figure out what to do with the inevitable train-wreck that's coming.
Pointing out the truth about Trump is a bad thing? Truth..bad...umm...
My question is what you think your criticism of Trump is accomplishing?
How about the fact it helps Hillary?
You people suck.
People who vote for lifetime liberals suck.
(https://barbarah.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/crabby-old-lady.jpg) "Why you unhelpful Trump hater!"
"Stop that, your helping Hillary!"
"Don't bash liberals, bash Hillary and her cankles. Leave liberals like Trump alone! Or we'll go to your house and beat you up and leave 100 immigrant kids living with you!"
That's actually what it comes down to, kidding aside. They don't want liberalism bashed, interfered with or heaven forbid, stopped.
They want it in power which is why they consistently, election after election, vote for liberal 'republicans'. Didn't Solomon say something about splitting the baby? Too bad these brain donors think split babies are a path to victory. Literally.
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:thumbsup:
My question is what you think your criticism of Trump is accomplishing?If Trump weren't on the wrong side of the truth this wouldn't be an issue. We need no excuse to tell the truth about either candidate.
How about the fact it helps Hillary?
You people suck.
I do not recall saying he was an abortionist. I said he passed laws enabling abortion and then profited from those very laws via Stericycle. Which he did.Well said Norm. Murder is kind of a big deal.
I get the impression you don't care because you are making excuses for him, defending him and want to 'move on' rather than deal with the reality that some people on the right, who CLAIM to be conservative, voted for him anyway and have ZERO regret about it. People like Levin for example, who then go out and profit themselves from the further spread of liberalism while claiming they are 'conservative.' That has consequences as people listen to what this fool has to say, think it is gospel, and then go vote for the same liberals he does because he told them to.
Which we can see clearly by all the votes Mitt, Jonbon, Bitch and soon, Trump will get thanks to his efforts. And that conservatism stuff? Who really cares about that anyway. Just words...
Well said Norm. Murder is kind of a big deal.
Where's her "Make America Great Again" hat
I'd like to see every one of these liberals have to watch an abortion in person before being allowed to vote for their pro-baby killing candidate each election.
I'd rather not have the abortions happen at all than that, though.
And you have been told, frequently, to tone down the insults. You're timed out.
My question is what you think your criticism of Trump is accomplishing?
How about the fact it helps Hillary?
You people suck.
Ideally. But thanks to these liberals in 'conservative' clothing, they will continue with their literal blessing. Their vote for pro abortion candidates. So let them get a good look at the consequence of their desire to empower it.
Well said Norm. Murder is kind of a big deal.
.In any event a President has no control over abortion.
I don't care enough about this election to care who is helped or harmed by anything. After all, Trump hasn't exactly embraced constitutional conservatives any more than Clinton has. :shrug:
Well, I had been wondering what happened to Mechanicos. It took a little digging. Let me get this straight...
catfish1957 said on July 23, 2016, 09:49:01 AM -> " Mechanicos is a serial liar, who gets his marching orders from TOS. Pretty much have gotten used to it."
Mechanicos replied -> "Kicking your ass with truth buddy is not lying. You obviously cannot tell a liar from a truth teller."
And your response, Mod2, was to whack Mechanicos. Only. Got it. This reinforces my suspicions about this place.
Ironically, a picture of the Gipper is on the home page. If he were still here, he would verbally bitchslap the lot of you.
Well, I had been wondering what happened to Mechanicos. It took a little digging. Let me get this straight...I don't want to stir the pot here, but @catfish1957 wasn't saying anything untrue. This thread and others are chock full of @mechanico's categorically false statements. Furthermore I'd be happy to dig up the link where he posted on TOS to get more ammunition to throw at his dreaded enemy the #NeverTrumps.
catfish1957 said on July 23, 2016, 09:49:01 AM -> " Mechanicos is a serial liar, who gets his marching orders from TOS. Pretty much have gotten used to it."
Mechanicos replied -> "Kicking your ass with truth buddy is not lying. You obviously cannot tell a liar from a truth teller."
And your response, Mod2, was to whack Mechanicos. Only. Got it. This reinforces my suspicions about this place.
Ironically, a picture of the Gipper is on the home page. If he were still here, he would verbally bitchslap the lot of you.
The tragedy is compounded when politics gets in the way of saving lives. We all know what to do to reduce the number of abortions, and we can do them without having to wait for the political wars to force the overturning of Roe v. Wade. Criminalizing abortion isn't going to make any meaningful difference; persuasion, education and support for options will.
My question is what you think your criticism of Trump is accomplishing?
How about the fact it helps Hillary?
You people suck.
Hillary is not insane and Trump is. Trump will likely kill us all by pushing the red button and she will not. I won't chance my life and my family's lives with Trump. I will vote for Hillary rather than him.
Trump can't admit that he is even capable of making mistakes which means he can't learn from them. If he makes a mistake he blames someone else, fires them and moves on without a look back. That's exactly the kind of thing that will get people killed and then we'll get excuses like blaming it on a video.
Well, I had been wondering what happened to Mechanicos. It took a little digging. Let me get this straight...
catfish1957 said on July 23, 2016, 09:49:01 AM -> " Mechanicos is a serial liar, who gets his marching orders from TOS. Pretty much have gotten used to it."
Mechanicos replied -> "Kicking your ass with truth buddy is not lying. You obviously cannot tell a liar from a truth teller."
And your response, Mod2, was to whack Mechanicos. Only. Got it. This reinforces my suspicions about this place.
Ironically, a picture of the Gipper is on the home page. If he were still here, he would verbally bitchslap the lot of you.
Well, I had been wondering what happened to Mechanicos. It took a little digging. Let me get this straight...
catfish1957 said on July 23, 2016, 09:49:01 AM -> " Mechanicos is a serial liar, who gets his marching orders from TOS. Pretty much have gotten used to it."
Mechanicos replied -> "Kicking your ass with truth buddy is not lying. You obviously cannot tell a liar from a truth teller."
And your response, Mod2, was to whack Mechanicos. Only. Got it. This reinforces my suspicions about this place.
Ironically, a picture of the Gipper is on the home page. If he were still here, he would verbally bitchslap the lot of you.
Right... His love for the Gipper was so great that he couldn't even spell his name correctly repeatedly. He spelled it "Regan"... Sorry, no fan of Reagan would do that as often as he did.
And as far as lies go, he did it over and over and never admitted it ever even after it was pointed out with references. At some point a lie is a lie and can't be ignored.
Well, I had been wondering what happened to Mechanicos. It took a little digging. Let me get this straight...
catfish1957 said on July 23, 2016, 09:49:01 AM -> " Mechanicos is a serial liar, who gets his marching orders from TOS. Pretty much have gotten used to it."
Mechanicos replied -> "Kicking your ass with truth buddy is not lying. You obviously cannot tell a liar from a truth teller."
And your response, Mod2, was to whack Mechanicos. Only. Got it. This reinforces my suspicions about this place.
Ironically, a picture of the Gipper is on the home page. If he were still here, he would verbally bitchslap the lot of you.
@Labette , @catfish1957 was telling the truth. @Mechanicos fibs as often, if not more often, than Trump! I know... hard to imagine, but he does.
That's not confined to the Military! That is the story of the entire federal government! Come to think of it it is the story of government in general no matter what level!Don't leave out that the importance of your department is determined more by size than the job it does in the grand scheme of things. The twenty guys or fewer who generate the software that puts a SLBM on target are less important than the department that cleans the facility, because their department is less than half the size.
Well, I had been wondering what happened to Mechanicos. It took a little digging. Let me get this straight...
catfish1957 said on July 23, 2016, 09:49:01 AM -> " Mechanicos is a serial liar, who gets his marching orders from TOS. Pretty much have gotten used to it."
Mechanicos replied -> "Kicking your ass with truth buddy is not lying. You obviously cannot tell a liar from a truth teller."
And your response, Mod2, was to whack Mechanicos. Only. Got it. This reinforces my suspicions about this place.
Ironically, a picture of the Gipper is on the home page. If he were still here, he would verbally bitchslap the lot of you.
Mech is that you?
@Mechanicos finally got himself banned. And here I thought he was absent all week because he had a convention to attend.
Not giving it tax funding and not mandating hospitals and insurance companies to do them and cover them would be nice.
The man does not know what he's doing, and unless Hillary runs the worst campaign in history, she is going to be the next president.
Does anybody else think Trump sealed his fate here? The door was propped open by Hillary's emails. Then Trump slammed it shut by repulsing a fraction of conservative Republicans, a group that usually gives their nominee 100% support.
If Trump were not such an amateur, he would have apologized to Cruz after the Indiana primary. Then it is likely Cruz would have endorsed Trump by name prior the general election. At the very least, Trump could have spun the Cruz speech as a positive and said he hoped to win Ted's full support later on. Then he could have graciously offered to call on every non-endorser for advice as needed.
The man does not know what he's doing, and unless Hillary runs the worst campaign in history, she is going to be the next president.
Don't leave out that the importance of your department is determined more by size than the job it does in the grand scheme of things. The twenty guys or fewer who generate the software that puts a SLBM on target are less important than the department that cleans the facility, because their department is less than half the size.
Does anybody else think Trump sealed his fate here? The door was propped open by Hillary's emails. Then Trump slammed it shut by repulsing a fraction of conservative Republicans, a group that usually gives their nominee 100% support.
If Trump were not such an amateur, he would have apologized to Cruz after the Indiana primary. Then it is likely Cruz would have endorsed Trump by name prior the general election. At the very least, Trump could have spun the Cruz speech as a positive and said he hoped to win Ted's full support later on. Then he could have graciously offered to call on every non-endorser for advice as needed.
The man does not know what he's doing, and unless Hillary runs the worst campaign in history, she is going to be the next president.
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Trump doesn't look good in orange.
Agreed - and that's been the basic consensus for decades now.
They're just admitting that we were right all along. Nominate Trump and Clinton will become president.
You people suck.
I thought this election was supposed to be something new, but its looking a whole lot like the last two or three.
Vote for our guy 'cause their guy is worse. I am so tired of this.
I thought this election was supposed to be something new, but its looking a whole lot like the last two or three.
Vote for our guy 'cause their guy is worse. I am so tired of this.
This time they crossed a line.
I voted for Romney - enthusiastically, even. Less so for McCain; but the country wasn't in the dire straits it is now. But while those were not exciting choices, they were real choices. No one could say either of them were stealth Democrats. Romney was a liberal but not an economic idiot. McCain was a doofus but he wouldn't take marching orders from hard-left academia and unions. Not to the extent that the African Moslem has.
THIS time the RNC went all out. They were going to hoist up their pet, Shrub, because he knew how to win the nomination without us yukky base voters. That failed; and they found the next-best thing. A LUNATIC who'd say ANYTHING as long as the camera was focused on his orange fake-tan skin; a guy with no principles who was trying out buzzwords to see what the crowd loved.
The RNC found its stooge. Worship him and he'll behave; and if he can't deliver the election, at least he'll keep the White House from crackpots like Cruz and Walker and all those limited-government crazies.
This was a different election, all right. NEVER before have we seen such contempt four our values, our nation, or very person.
Well, I had been wondering what happened to Mechanicos. It took a little digging. Let me get this straight...
catfish1957 said on July 23, 2016, 09:49:01 AM -> " Mechanicos is a serial liar, who gets his marching orders from TOS. Pretty much have gotten used to it."
Mechanicos replied -> "Kicking your ass with truth buddy is not lying. You obviously cannot tell a liar from a truth teller."
And your response, Mod2, was to whack Mechanicos. Only. Got it. This reinforces my suspicions about this place.
Ironically, a picture of the Gipper is on the home page. If he were still here, he would verbally bitchslap the lot of you.
My question is what you think your criticism of Trump is accomplishing?
How about the fact it helps Hillary?
You people suck.
The GOPe is probably as surprised as they are delighted in the way things have turned out. For awhile there it looked like Trump might be the change they were dreading.
Well, I had been wondering what happened to Mechanicos. It took a little digging. Let me get this straight...
catfish1957 said on July 23, 2016, 09:49:01 AM -> " Mechanicos is a serial liar, who gets his marching orders from TOS. Pretty much have gotten used to it."
Mechanicos replied -> "Kicking your ass with truth buddy is not lying. You obviously cannot tell a liar from a truth teller."
And your response, Mod2, was to whack Mechanicos. Only. Got it. This reinforces my suspicions about this place.
Ironically, a picture of the Gipper is on the home page. If he were still here, he would verbally bitchslap the lot of you.
Does anybody else think Trump sealed his fate here? The door was propped open by Hillary's emails. Then Trump slammed it shut by repulsing a fraction of conservative Republicans, a group that usually gives their nominee 100% support.
If Trump were not such an amateur, he would have apologized to Cruz after the Indiana primary. Then it is likely Cruz would have endorsed Trump by name prior the general election. At the very least, Trump could have spun the Cruz speech as a positive and said he hoped to win Ted's full support later on. Then he could have graciously offered to call on every non-endorser for advice as needed.
The man does not know what he's doing, and unless Hillary runs the worst campaign in history, she is going to be the next president.
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The GOPe is probably as surprised as they are delighted in the way things have turned out. For awhile there it looked like Trump might be the change they were dreading.Actually, a very short while. Trump said early on he could make deals with them, and that was a signal that for most of them they could expect business as usual, with a cut for Donny Inc.
My question is what you think your criticism of Trump is accomplishing?You still didn't answer my question.
How about the fact it helps Hillary?
You people suck.
You people suck.I'll consider the source and ignore it.
You notice that, too, huh? That goes on a lot around here....
Aah, ya' get used to it. Remember, Mods are susceptible to TDS, too, you know.
My question is what you think your criticism of Trump is accomplishing?
How about the fact it helps Hillary?
It's Donald Trump's behavior and statements that help Hillary. Why is it so difficult for you to recognize that?
(https://barbarah.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/crabby-old-lady.jpg) "Why you unhelpful Trump hater!"
"Stop that, your helping Hillary!"
"Don't bash liberals, bash Hillary and her cankles. Leave liberals like Trump alone! Or we'll go to your house and beat you up and leave 100 immigrant kids living with you!"
No one is listening besides the echo chamber inmates.
Sounds more like you are referencing Freeperville
That's actually what it comes down to, kidding aside. They don't want liberalism bashed, interfered with or heaven forbid, stopped.
They want it in power which is why they consistently, election after election, vote for liberal 'republicans'. Didn't Solomon say something about splitting the baby? Too bad these brain donors think split babies are a path to victory. Literally.
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Sounds more like you are referencing Freeperville
That's BS, Norm. We don't want a Obama third term skirt taking the White House.
You people who want the 'perfect' candidate [of which there were none] only hurt the chances of ever achieving your Utopia by encouraging those who might be on the fence to either vote for her or some third party wannabe.
If Hillary wins the Left will have control over the narrative and law for the next generation. That is my whole reason for even bothering to be here.
Trump is his own worst enemy, obviously.
Of course this will not stop his supporters from blaming everyone but him should things go south.
They'll dump on Cruz. He is already the designated scapegoat for their puny convention bounce.
Hillary is going to get a significant boost from her convention. She did not antagonize Sanders to the point he could not throw his weight behind her. The Democrats will have unity, and the Republicans will have a noisy, white trash intrafamily feud.
Well maybe your time, along with others should be spent emailing, tweeting, calling and facebook in Trump's team and telling him to lay off Conservatives, AS IN QUIT TRYING TO PRIMARY CRUZ and others he disagrees with, and get some gonads and go after Hillary!! He has burned so many bridges and no one is holding his feet to the fire because his fans can't stop slobbering long long enough to see what he's doing.
The night Cruz spoke - the 3rd night - was the only night the GOP beat the DNC convention in ratings.
You people who want the 'perfect' candidate [of which there were none] only hurt the chances of ever achieving your Utopia by encouraging those who might be on the fence to either vote for her or some third party wannabe.
Trump is the 'perfect' candidate for Hillary. Trumptrain is an election losing machine! We are powerless to stop it until it takes the party over a cliff. This winter, he will write a book on how to hijack a party and blow an election. I bet he will devote a full chapter to his favorite dupes.
Trump is the 'perfect' candidate for Hillary. Trumptrain is an election losing machine! We are powerless to stop it until it takes the party over a cliff. This winter, he will write a book on how to hijack a party and blow an election. I bet he will devote a full chapter to his favorite dupes.
All Aboard!
www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLf6pp5Tvk8
So what happens if he wins?
You headed to the nunnery?
Nah, I'll hang around to see if he will bother to do anything resembling what he promised the rubes to win their support early in the primaries.
If he does I'll happily eat crow.
If he doesn't what will you do?
Trump is the 'perfect' candidate for Hillary. Trumptrain is an election losing machine! We are powerless to stop it until it takes the party over a cliff. This winter, he will write a book on how to hijack a party and blow an election. I bet he will devote a full chapter to his favorite dupes.
I find it hilarious that the devotees of a candidate with NO positive qualities have the audacity to attack those who cannot support a candidate with nothing but flaws of wanting a "perfect" candidate.
The vacuousness of their argument is breathtaking.
Not one person who opposes Trump has demanded either "perfection" or "utopia."
It's an entirely fabricated attack based on, IMO, the weakness of their candidate and their inner understanding that Trump is terrible at every level. The only way they can justify supporting an evil man is to accuse those of us who oppose him of demanding "perfection."
I find it hilarious that the devotees of a candidate with NO positive qualities have the audacity to attack those who cannot support a candidate with nothing but flaws of wanting a "perfect" candidate.
The vacuousness of their argument is breathtaking.
Not one person who opposes Trump has demanded either "perfection" or "utopia."
It's an entirely fabricated attack based on, IMO, the weakness of their candidate and their inner understanding that Trump is terrible at every level. The only way they can justify supporting an evil man is to accuse those of us who oppose him of demanding "perfection."
That is certainly as good an explanation as I have heard. I concur.
That is certainly as good an explanation as I have heard. I concur.
He wasn't my choice to begin with but, guess I'll pray Hillary gets a visit from an angel.
You people who want the 'perfect' candidate
You keep laughing, sister. No one ever said Trump wasn't flawed. Everyone is.
But compared to Hillary, he's a saint.
Trump is perfectly dreadful, no redeeming quality
compared to Hillary, they're almost twins
You can't fool me. If you guys cared a wit about the US Constitution you would've voted for Ted Cruz.But DT was gonna protect and defend all 12 Articles! (not just the ones we have)
So what happens if he wins?Nope. Proper planning prevents panic.
You headed to the nunnery?
Nope. Proper planning prevents panic.
Bury the firearms and ammunition I don't expect to need right away. I have spots picked out but things have been mighty busy around and I'd just as soon not have someone stumble across a cache.
Hide some more of the supplies. Print out a few more things I don't have in hard copy and pick up some stuff I can get cheap now that will make good trading stock or allow me to make things to trade.
Make popcorn and watch the end of the world on teevee until the ICBM launch.
I should be able to see at least some of the birds going up from outside.
Duck and cover.
That's BS, Norm. We don't want a Obama third term skirt taking the White House.Which brings me to the Trumpsplaining tatic of the day:
You people who want the 'perfect' candidate [of which there were none] only hurt the chances of ever achieving your Utopia by encouraging those who might be on the fence to either vote for her or some third party wannabe.
If Hillary wins the Left will have control over the narrative and law for the next generation. That is my whole reason for even bothering to be here.
Let's just keep pounding this thread into the frickin' ground, shall we?? Maybe someday we can finally get to the bottom of it.Why bother to lock the thread? We're having fun. If you don't want to play, no one is making you.
For God's sake, would one of you so-called "Mods" please lock this thread?? Enough is enough!!
:chairbang:
I've already gone on the record as calling for the impeachment of both of them just to hedge my bets.All we need is a Congress with bigger huevos than Hillary and it could happen.... :beer:
Which brings me to the Trumpsplaining tatic of the day:
Straw man:
A straw man is a common form of argument and is an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while actually refuting an argument that was not advanced by that opponent.
Almost all #Never Trumps would have been willing to settle for a number of flawed candidates. Trump however is simply a cog in the wheel of the Clinton Machine.
Virtually anyone else who ran would be better and I'm including Lindsey Graham. Yes, I can accept imperfectSixteen possibilities, and most of the 'kids table' would have been better than what we got.
Virtually anyone else who ran would be better and I'm including Lindsey Graham. Yes, I can accept imperfectAt the start, knowing we would be facing Hillary, I only had one candidate on my No Go list and that was Senior Jeb!. Trump worked very hard to prove that he was the Democrat he always was and earned a spot on the list. I'd have taken any of the others. I was hardly asking for perfection, just a basic level of morals and honesty.
Virtually anyone else who ran would be better and I'm including Lindsey Graham. Yes, I can accept imperfect
Virtually anyone else who ran would be better and I'm including Lindsey Graham. Yes, I can accept imperfect
A fact which Bill and Hil did not overlook. Hence Trump throws his hat in the ring and the media did the rest.
Excellent point. The Clinton's chose a completely flawed buddy to run as a Republican so that decent Republicans, and all conservatives could not support him.
This was a brilliantly planned strategy to get Hillary into the WH.
All we need is a Congress with bigger huevos than Hillary and it could happen.... :beer:
The DNC had a positive, hopeful message. The RNC had a "OMG!!! We're all gunna DIE! Save us, Master Trump, you're our only hope!" theme.
Excellent point. The Clinton's chose a completely flawed buddy to run as a Republican so that decent Republicans, and all conservatives could not support him.
This was a brilliantly planned strategy to get Hillary into the WH.
Thanks a lot for playing along with them and helping Hillary win, Trump lovers..... **nononono*
I think the idea was that he would run third party, a la Ross Perot. But then he won the nomination, without even expecting it. Sort of like the plot of "The Producers." Still, it works.
Yeah, like THAT could happen... **nononono*
I do not see why you say that. Clinton was impeached in 1998 with a far smaller majority of GOP Representatives than at present. Also a few Dem votes to impeach.
Yes, indeed it "could" happen, but I guess you are really saying is 'will it" happen.
I would have gladly supported Walker - not perfect.
I would have gladly supported Perry - not perfect.
I would have gladly supported Jindahl - not perfect.
I would have gladly supported Rubio - not perfect.
I would have gladly supported Kasich - not perfect.
I would have gladly supported Fiorina - not perfect.
I would have even supported Bush or Carson - FAR from perfect.
The idea that we were asking for perfection is just dopey. False argument. Straw man. Empty headed.
And to think that I was an avid Donald Trump supporter right out of the gate when he announced.
Among all seventeen (17) in the field, I chose him.
And here I am. And there you are.
You should see the view from up dear, my Lady! :laugh:
And, even though he's proven himself- PROVEN HIMSELF--unworthy of the presidency, you're still supporting him.
Trump is not the problem any longer.
YOU are the problem.
And to think that I was an avid Donald Trump supporter right out of the gate when he announced.
Among all seventeen (17) in the field, I chose him.
And here I am. And there you are.
You should see the view from up dear, my Lady! :laugh:
And, even though he's proven himself- PROVEN HIMSELF--unworthy of the presidency, you're still supporting him.
Trump is not the problem any longer.
YOU are the problem.
LOL! Yeah...it's ME that's the 'problem'. You're a riot.
He's EXACTLY what this country needs in the Oval Office.
If Hillary wins the Left will have control over the narrative and law for the next generation. That is my whole reason for even bothering to be here.
LOL! Yeah...it's ME that's the 'problem'. You're a riot.
He's EXACTLY what this country needs in the Oval Office.
Lose the hate, Mike! :patriot:
@musiclady @Henry Noel
It not only works,it makes the payoff even larger when it comes time for the Orange Ego to sign off.
Assuming of course he doesn't be some bizarre chance have a substantial lead in late Sept,and think he can actually win. He massive ego won't allow him to take a chance on losing in public,but it's also so big that IF he thinks he really can win it,he just might stick them in the back and refuse to drop out.
Which should make his SS agents very,VERY scared. The Clinton's aren't know to be either forgiving or gentle to anyone that crosses them.
And to think that I was an avid Donald Trump supporter right out of the gate when he announced.
Among all seventeen (17) in the field, I chose him.
And here I am. And there you are.
You should see the view from up dear, my Lady! :laugh:
Yet you nominate the candidate that she has the best chance of beating.
That's the bottom line. The Trump lovers have nominated the worst possible choice to beat Hillary, and the one most likely to govern EXACTLY as she would.
The world is completely turned on its head and they march merrily along off the cliff.......
This entire episode has been orchestrated by Bill Clinton and the complicit media for one purpose only! To protect the biggest criminal enterprise on Earth! The Clintoon Foundation!
This entire episode has been orchestrated by Bill Clinton and the complicit media for one purpose only! To protect the biggest criminal enterprise on Earth! The Clintoon Foundation!
What it doesn't explain is why the GOP has decided to get fully on board with Trump and drive constitutional conservatives from the party.
I absolutely agree, Bigun. The stalking horse theory was pretty obvious from the outset, and nothing has happened to change my opinion that Trump is just helping his corrupt buddies.
btw, what year is that Bloomberg quote from? Wow............ is that an indictment!
OH but it does! That is a purely inside the beltway pneumonia and they went with it because they were scared literally to DEATH that Ted Cruz would actually CHANGE things inside that whore's nest!
My copy of "A time for Truth" just arrived this morning.
My mother has read it and says Ted Cruz lays out a pretty damning case against the establishment as an overall governing power that is both democrat and republican combined and that nothing short of a political revolution will break it.
Ted Cruz has been revolutionary in his willingness to take on both sides. When he speaks about things like Bengahzi, he's the only one who speaks of guilt on both sides of the aisle for what was really going on there.
What it doesn't explain is why the GOP has decided to get fully on board with Trump and drive constitutional conservatives from the party.
Nope. Proper planning prevents panic.
Bury the firearms and ammunition I don't expect to need right away. I have spots picked out but things have been mighty busy around and I'd just as soon not have someone stumble across a cache.
Hide some more of the supplies. Print out a few more things I don't have in hard copy and pick up some stuff I can get cheap now that will make good trading stock or allow me to make things to trade.
Make popcorn and watch the end of the world on teevee until the ICBM launch.
I should be able to see at least some of the birds going up from outside.
Duck and cover.
Let's just keep pounding this thread into the frickin' ground, shall we?? Maybe someday we can finally get to the bottom of it.
For God's sake, would one of you so-called "Mods" please lock this thread?? Enough is enough!!
:chairbang:
I've already gone on the record as calling for the impeachment of both of them just to hedge my bets.
And to think that I was an avid Donald Trump supporter right out of the gate when he announced.
Among all seventeen (17) in the field, I chose him.
And here I am. And there you are.
You should see the view from up dear, my Lady! :laugh:
And to think that I was an avid Donald Trump supporter right out of the gate when he announced.
Among all seventeen (17) in the field, I chose him.
How odd. In a race with sixteen Republicans and one Democrat, you chose the Democrat at the onset. Looks like you win either way, whether Trump wins or not.
What it doesn't explain is why the GOP has decided to get fully on board with Trump and drive constitutional conservatives from the party.
@Cripplecreek
The Dims and the Country Club Republians (both globalist leftists at heart,with the Dims leaning communist and the GOP leaning fascist) were caught napping by Reagan. By the time they woke up and realized he was a genuine danger to their control over the Republican Party,it was already too late. He had already won the primary. The GOP solution to this problem was to saddle him with that evil bastard Poppy Bush as his VP,so that the Country Club globalists would have a foot in the door and advantage when Reagan could no longer run for office. They told him at the convention that if he didn't accept Poppy as his running mate the GOP would give him zero support in his run for the WH.
And it's been nothing but one Globalist SOB after another ever since the end of Reagans second term,
How odd. In a race with sixteen Republicans and one Democrat, you chose the Democrat at the onset. Looks like you win either way, whether Trump wins or not.
How odd. In a race with sixteen Republicans and one Democrat, you chose the Democrat at the onset. Looks like you win either way, whether Trump wins or not.
OH but it does! That is a purely inside the beltway pneumonia and they went with it because they were scared literally to DEATH that Ted Cruz would actually CHANGE things inside that whore's nest!Exactly. They could make deals with Trump. Cruz had already demonstrated he'd stand his ground against the GOPe, which was precisely why he "wasn't well liked" by members of his own party. (Which Trump supporters tried to use against him.)
@Cripplecreek
If you will check the history of the GOP,you will discover there were never conservatives at the top until Goldwater,and then Reagan came along . They used to be known as "Country Club Republicans" because the party was owned by Old Eastern Country Club monied families.
It ain't a coincidence it is called the 'Grand Old Party'. The party's conscience is permanently one of a 'Rockefeller Republican' and it can think of no better person to run this country than a NY Republican every term. Ford, Bush Senior, Romney, are all of this mold, as of course was Nelson Rockefeller.
Putting a brash Goldwater, Reagan or a Cruz just goes against its entire grain.
The voters bear considerable blame as well. Many conservatives are too fickle and too impatient. It leads to rash and often contradictory behavior and kills forward momentum.
Just a few years ago conservatives were cheering the Citizens united ruling in the supreme court. A while later they cheered even louder when Justice Alito called Obama a liar when Obama lied about citizens united during the SOTU address. Today many of those same conservatives sound more like Harry Reid railing on about the Koch brothers.
People should pay heed to Sam Houston's warning against engaging in the Civil war and apply those words to politics.
Let me tell you what is coming. After the sacrifice of countless millions of treasure and hundreds of thousands of lives, you may win Southern independence if God be not against you, but I doubt it. I tell you that, while I believe with you in the doctrine of states rights, the North is determined to preserve this Union. They are not a fiery, impulsive people as you are, for they live in colder climates. But when they begin to move in a given direction, they move with the steady momentum and perseverance of a mighty avalanche; and what I fear is, they will overwhelm the South. - Sam Houston
Simply stated, Be the avalanche and move with the steady momentum and perseverance. (I would have used the term "Glacier".)
You don't have to like him. You're even allowed to hate him.
But stop your incessant bullsh*t and vote for Donald Trump. :patriot:
Wow. What a campaign message. Vote for a man you hate.
No.
Donald Trump...like him or hate him...is the vehicle we have right now. And we should be damned lucky, because he's the ONLY man that is capable of pulling it off.
Wrong, he was the only candidate capable of losing to Hillary.
The voters bear considerable blame as well. Many conservatives are too fickle and too impatient. It leads to rash and often contradictory behavior and kills forward momentum.
Just a few years ago conservatives were cheering the Citizens united ruling in the supreme court. A while later they cheered even louder when Justice Alito called Obama a liar when Obama lied about citizens united during the SOTU address. Today many of those same conservatives sound more like Harry Reid railing on about the Koch brothers.
People should pay heed to Sam Houston's warning against engaging in the Civil war and apply those words to politics.
Let me tell you what is coming. After the sacrifice of countless millions of treasure and hundreds of thousands of lives, you may win Southern independence if God be not against you, but I doubt it. I tell you that, while I believe with you in the doctrine of states rights, the North is determined to preserve this Union. They are not a fiery, impulsive people as you are, for they live in colder climates. But when they begin to move in a given direction, they move with the steady momentum and perseverance of a mighty avalanche; and what I fear is, they will overwhelm the South. - Sam Houston
Simply stated, Be the avalanche and move with the steady momentum and perseverance. (I would have used the term "Glacier".)
There is no "We" about it.
I chose Donald Trump because the Republican Party 'leadership' proved to be political eunuchs who also happened to be liars to the Republican voters who gave the both House and Senate majorities in the 2 mid-terms during Obama's reign of terror.
It ain't a coincidence it is called the 'Grand Old Party'. The party's conscience is permanently one of a 'Rockefeller Republican' and it can think of no better person to run this country than a NY Republican every term. Ford, Bush Senior, Romney, are all of this mold, as of course was Nelson Rockefeller.
Putting a brash Goldwater, Reagan or a Cruz just goes against its entire grain.
The Democrats are sooo confident that they've put up the most corrupt and deceitful politician in the Party. Because she's a woman. (Hey, it worked with a black man, why not a woman that draws sympathy?)
Until you face yourself in the mirror and admit that there's NOBODY on the planet which the GOP possessed...that could step forward as a candidate that would draw enough voters across the spectrum...to defeat the Democrat Clinton/Obama machine....then you can stop reading now.
Donald Trump...like him or hate him...is the vehicle we have right now. And we should be damned lucky, because he's the ONLY man that is capable of pulling it off.
@DCPatriot
BullBush! Does the name Cruz ring a bell? He would not only have gotten the votes of all the people who are and will continue refusing to vote for the Orange Ego,HE WOULD HAVE ALSO GOTTEN ALL THE VOTES OF PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHO ARE VOTING TRUMP OUT OF DESPERATION.
heres a HINT for anybody who thinks that The Donny is Playin to win for himself And America!! Barring a Miracle....the final score of this particular GAME is bound to be Washington Democrats 10,...... America ZERO
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BullBush! Does the name Cruz ring a bell? He would not only have gotten the votes of all the people who are and will continue refusing to vote for the Orange Ego,HE WOULD HAVE ALSO GOTTEN ALL THE VOTES OF PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHO ARE VOTING TRUMP OUT OF DESPERATION.
The only fly in the ointment is Cruz failed miserably in the primaries.
LOL! It's been said before in my life that my 'baseball IQ' is off the charts. But obviously it pertains to political acumen as well!
heres a HINT for anybody who thinks that The Donny is Playin to win for himself And America!! Barring a Miracle....the final score of this particular GAME is bound to be Washington Democrats 10,...... America ZERO
[img height="200]http://i.imgur.com/f5zmLyW.gif[/img]
I recall reading and 'speaking' with each other over the many years on TOS...and like @sinkspur , I can't recall ever disagreeing with your take on a scandal/event during that period.
It's a damned shamed you're not able to break away from the 'Conservative-Leader' paradigm. Always comparing one's pedigree to one man's accomplishments...one who was not timid in speaking of his faith and love of the country in an engaging manner. The Gipper.
You're sitting at a poker table with your big pile of chips, and the stupid guy to your right just went "all in". And your hand demands you can't fold.
That's what we're facing this election.
The Democrats are sooo confident that they've put up the most corrupt and deceitful politician in the Party. Because she's a woman. (Hey, it worked with a black man, why not a woman that draws sympathy?)
Until you face yourself in the mirror and admit that there's NOBODY on the planet which the GOP possessed...that could step forward as a candidate that would draw enough voters across the spectrum...to defeat the Democrat Clinton/Obama machine....then you can stop reading now.
Donald Trump...like him or hate him...is the vehicle we have right now. And we should be damned lucky, because he's the ONLY man that is capable of pulling it off.
All it takes to save the Supreme Court...to maybe stop the invasion of God knows who/what/where....to stop the repeal of the 2nd and other Amendments/Bill of Rights...is for you to vote. For him.
You don't have to like him. You're even allowed to hate him.
But stop your incessant bullsh*t and vote for Donald Trump. :patriot:
2nd most delegates out of 17 candidates, and you are calling that miserable? Trump supporters disdain for Cruz is laughable.
Enjoy the limelight for now,because Trump is conducing a miserable campaign.
By the 2020 RNC Trump's name will be verboten, and the embarrassment he brought to this party will a text book example of what happens when you let a buffoon seize control.
If Trump loses, by 2020 there will not be a Republican Party able to mount a winning campaign...ever again.
If 2020 is important to you, you'll need to set aside some deep-seated anger and choose wisely in 2016. If we lose the WH in 2016, we lose it for good.
Yes. Cruz failed miserably with his base ... the base that was to be his springboard from the South ... Evangelicals.Let's see, wasn't that when the National Enquirer (Donny Trump's buddy Pecker) pounded Cruz with the one issue five mistresses scandal story? about two, three days before the ballot? And also went off on the "Annointed of God" thing that Cruz didn't say?
This is not about "limelight" @catfish. Is this really how you see this? It's terribly shallow thinking. **nononono*Conservatism will survive. It hasn't had a real home in the GOP for a couple of decades, it only got lip service from candidates who forgot those promises before the votes were completely counted. With the exception of a few TEA party candidates, real grassroots supported conservatives the GOPe either underestimated or just could not stop, conservatives haven't had a snowball's chance in Hell of getting past the Party.
If Trump loses, by 2020 there will not be a Republican Party able to mount a winning campaign...ever again. By then the majority of Americans, especially our youth, will be seeped in Socialism and will crave it like a drug.
And Conservatism will be a shadow blowing in the wind.
If 2020 is important to you, you'll need to set aside some deep-seated anger and choose wisely in 2016. If we lose the WH in 2016, we lose it for good.We, who? The GOP? The new Whigs? Because that is the road the GOP has taken.
If Trump loses, by 2020 there will not be a Republican Party able to mount a winning campaign...ever again. By then the majority of Americans, especially our youth, will be seeped in Socialism and will crave it like a drug.that is a fact. Hil gets WH and it will be the end of any kind of valid elections ever. They will have the majority and will never give it back. Socialism, full on .
And Conservatism will be a shadow blowing in the wind.
that is a fact. Hil gets WH and it will be the end of any kind of valid elections ever. They will have the majority and will never give it back. Socialism, full on .
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There are eight levels of control that must be obtained before you are able to create a social state.
The first is the most important.
1) Healthcare – Control healthcare and you control the people.
2) Poverty – Increase the poverty level as high as possible; poor people are easier to control and will not fight back if you are providing everything for them to live.
3) Debt – Increase the debt to an unsustainable level. That way you are able to increase taxes and this will produce more poverty.
4) Gun control – Remove people’s ability to defend themselves from the government. That way you are able to create a police state.
5) Welfare – Take control of every aspect of people’s lives (food, housing and income).
6) Education – Take control of what people read and listen to; take control of what children learn in school.
7) Religion – Remove the belief in God from the government and schools.
8) Class warfare – Divide the people into the wealthy and the poor. This will cause more discontent and it will be easier to take from (tax) the wealthy with the support of the poor.
Blame the RNC for allowing open primaries. That's what is giving us Hillary.
that is a fact. Hil gets WH and it will be the end of any kind of valid elections ever. They will have the majority and will never give it back. Socialism, full on .
@flowersYou have a valid point. @sneakypete
We haven't had a valid election since Reagan left office,and his election was a pure fluke that happened because the ruling class got so cocky they weren't paying attention.
@flowers
We haven't had a valid election since Reagan left office,and his election was a pure fluke that happened because the ruling class got so cocky they weren't paying attention.
I sure hope they have the plan drawn out to ensure the military deployed has sufficient time to get their votes in...and COUNTED.
They are always prone to be missing or not arrived in time.
I sure hope they have the plan drawn out to ensure the military deployed has sufficient time to get their votes in...and COUNTED.
They are always prone to be missing or not arrived in time.
What Trump lovers will never, ever admit is that it's their fault that we will be faced with a Hillary presidency.
EVERY other Republican candidate could have beaten her. Trump will not.
Which may be due to the fact that everything he's doing and saying is helping her win........
(Deliberately)
Yet you nominate the candidate that she has the best chance of beating.
Of course, my post was written in response to the STUPID accusation from wolfcreek that non-Trump people are demanding "perfection" in a candidate, making your response a complete non-sequitur and irrelevant, but I'll respond anyway......
Of the seventeen in the field, you chose the only one who was a Democrat and insane.
I don't really want to see the view from your perspective, DC.
I prefer to keep my bearings and remain grounded in reality than view the world upside down and backwards, as you are currently doing. :patriot:
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Yes. Cruz failed miserably with his base ... the base that was to be his springboard from the South ... Evangelicals.
This is not about "limelight" @catfish. Is this really how you see this? It's terribly shallow thinking. **nononono*
If Trump loses, by 2020 there will not be a Republican Party able to mount a winning campaign...ever again. By then the majority of Americans, especially our youth, will be seeped in Socialism and will crave it like a drug.
And Conservatism will be a shadow blowing in the wind.
If 2020 is important to you, you'll need to set aside some deep-seated anger and choose wisely in 2016. If we lose the WH in 2016, we lose it for good.
Yes looky here
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3455066/posts
The hate is deep in these ones. They spend all day coming up with new anti-Trump rhetoric just like the common Leftist.
If 2020 is important to you, . . .
. . . you'll need to set aside some deep-seated anger and choose wisely in 2016.
If we lose the WH in 2016, we lose it for good.
@musiclady @youknowwho
Yup,technically,Trump doesn't even have to drop out of the election. All he has to do to complete his contract with the Clinton's is to announce in Sept that he has changed his mind about building a wall and mass deportations,and his poll numbers will drop by half overnight. Deporting illegal aliens is the major factor that got him the nomination.
I still don't think he will do that,though. If he did that he would lose in public,and "The Donald" never loses because he IS "The Donald". Losing is for losers,and "The Donald" is a winner!
That's why I still think he's just going to drop out before the election and claim he decided the job was beneath him.
You mean the same Republican Party 'leadership' that Trump just sided with at the Convention, giving Priebus even more power at the expense of the grass roots? The same Republican Party 'leadership' that Trump made a deal with, allowing them to pick his delegates for him?Trump went out of his way to divide the party and to put himself firmly on the side of the establishment.
The hate is deep in these ones. They spend all day coming up with new anti-Trump rhetoric just like the common Leftist.Trump does that all one his own. No digging required he steps in about 2-3 times a day. I'm glad I don't have to lick his boots clean.
If Trump loses, by 2020 there will not be a Republican Party able to mount a winning campaign...ever again. By then the majority of Americans, especially our youth, will be seeped in Socialism and will crave it like a drug.If you think that hasn't already happened, you have to open your eyes.
And Conservatism will be a shadow blowing in the wind.
If 2020 is important to you, you'll need to set aside some deep-seated anger and choose wisely in 2016. If we lose the WH in 2016, we lose it for good.
If you don't think that hasn't already happened, you have to open your eyes.Probably true, thought Mitt had serious problems with presenting himself as a small government type thanks to Romney care. In the end if we compromise on the truth.
Mitt Romney would be President if our country wasn't already addicted to socialism and strong big government.
Probably true, thought Mitt had serious problems with presenting himself as a small government type thanks to Romney care. In the end if we compromise on the truth.True enough—and I'll admit I was very slow to accept him for those very reasons—but compared to Barack Obama, and even seeing what Obama had done, especially unchecked, it should have been a no-brainer.
We didn't make these principles: That men should be free, that government should be small. The founding principles of this nation are in a very real sense transcendent. If we abandon them for the sake of winning we will not have won anything meaningful we will have simply sold out the truth.
The hate is deep in these ones. They spend all day coming up with new anti-Trump rhetoric just like the common Leftist.
I sure hope they have the plan drawn out to ensure the military deployed has sufficient time to get their votes in...and COUNTED.
They are always prone to be missing or not arrived in time.
Be careful what you wish for....
I believe there's a poll out that Gary Johnson beating Hil and Don among military.
Open borders and legal drugs are big issues with military voters?
I don't know about open borders, but I understand the Johnson's stance on illegal immigration is to cut off the magnets.
You might want to review his web site on this issue.
https://www.johnsonweld.com/immigration
Having served as Governor of a border state, Gary Johnson understands immigration. He understands that a robust flow of labor, regulated not by politics, but by the marketplace, is essential.
He understands that a bigger fence will only produce taller ladders and deeper tunnels, and that the flow of illegal immigrants across the border is not a consequence of too little security, but rather a legal immigration system that simply doesn’t work. Militarizing the border, bigger fences, and other punitive measures espoused by too many politicians are all simplistic “solutions” to a problem caused by artificial quotas, bureaucratic incompetence and the shameful failure of Congress to actually put in place an immigration system that matches reality.
Governor Johnson has long advocated a simplified and secure system of work visas by which willing workers and willing employers can meet in a robust labor marketplace efficiently and economically. Aspiring immigrants would undergo a background check, pay taxes and provide proof of employment.
Making it simpler and efficient to enter the U.S. legally will provide the greatest security possible, allowing law enforcement to focus its time and resources on the criminals and bad actors who are, in reality, a relatively small portion of those who are today entering the country illegally.
Yes, thanks. I believe he talked about cutting off magnets in a recent interview.
I agree with some of the above position, but slowing the flood of economic migrants doesn't solve the problem of those who wish to harm us coming across, smugglers, terrorists, criminals, etc.
From his web site, it appears the main issue he sees with illegal immigration is the difficulties in legal immigration. I don't see anything there about trying to reduce the draw, just to make it easier.
He may have talked about it in an interview, but his political web site should be where he lists the important items. It appears he doesn't view the draw by magnets to be a significant issue on this topic.
Generalize much?
Gallup says after the Trump Party Convention, 51% were "less likely to vote Republican" while only 36% were "more likely". This is the worst showing since they began asking this question around 1980 something. That is negative fifteen!And people will be blaming Cruz in 5..4...3...2..1...
Hillary also had a terrible unbounce, but her negative was only four percent.
Still two horrible candidates and two convention dips instead if bounces.
And people will be blaming Cruz in 5..4...3...2..1...
@wolfcreek
Plan on changing your screen name to Yada Yoda?
BTW,Saying I despise both Orange Julius AND Bubbette! with the heat of a million burning stars isn't strong enough,so don't even try your crap with me because I'm not willing to see Orange Julius as "the country's savior" like you are.
Anybody that can't see that America loses despite which one of the fascists running for president wins is too freaking stupid to be allowed to vote.
2016 was important to me.
I already did choose wisely. Keep in mind that I'm not the one here who chose the NY liberal.
That will be one helluva legacy for you Trump supporters. You can tell your grandkids how you helped destroy the Republican Party.
I tried that many posts back and I was told we need to "milk it" for what it's worth. :thud:Oh come one, name names. I thought you said you didn't like that behind the back stuff.
Oh come one, name names. I thought you said you didn't like that behind the back stuff.
Gallup says after the Trump Party Convention, 51% were "less likely to vote Republican" while only 36% were "more likely". This is the worst showing since they began asking this question around 1980 something. That is negative fifteen!
Hillary also had a terrible unbounce, but her negative was only four percent.
Still two horrible candidates and two convention dips instead if bounces.
Just wait until word gets out that Trump is moving farther left on immigration.But...but...that will bring in the illegal immigrant vote!
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But...but...that will bring in the illegal immigrant vote!Proof that he's planning 7 turns ahead playing 6th dimensional chess!
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I think that if all of us on this site, and others like it, were to 100% get behind and vote for Trump, he would still lose. It is not us, coming up with "leftist" talking points that are doing him in. Trump is doing himself in. He has insulted a lot of people and seems as if he is going to continue to do so.
Add Koch Bros, a Fire Marshall, a Gold Star family, and a General to the list, in under one week.
Hatred of Clinton will not be enough to overcome Trump's own hatred of others.
True enough—and I'll admit I was very slow to accept him for those very reasons—but compared to Barack Obama, and even seeing what Obama had done, especially unchecked, it should have been a no-brainer.
Yet we see, time and again, how people with no brains vote.
Still two horrible candidates and two convention dips instead if bounces.
Then you'll live in political irrelevance for the rest of your days. Enjoy.
Just wait until word gets out that Trump is moving farther left on immigration.
:whistle:
Ya know its coming.
Personally I find it sad that so many think that we're such herd animals that a few simple words from Ted Cruz would have driven us to support an amoral man like Trump.
Donald? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30lGrarz3MQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30lGrarz3MQ)
And reasonable adults would agree. Cult worshippers proselytizing a new religion around a new god, would not agree. Like converts everywhere, at all times, they're overwhelmed with the murderous zeal of the fanatic.
Cruz must be destroyed. For Thou Shalt Have NO OTHER GOD before Donald.
You make a good point - but that is not the point. If you'll pardon my wording.
It isn't the endorsement - it is the PROSTRATION before God the Donald, that the cult-followers are demanding. The Orange Julius demands, not support but WORSHIP.
Cruz withheld worship. As would any rational man who was so slandered. Cruz probably reasonably believes that not filing a blizzard of lawsuits is forgiveness enough. Not staging a floor fight, demanding an oral delegate vote, is the adult way of making peace.
And reasonable adults would agree. Cult worshippers proselytizing a new religion around a new god, would not agree. Like converts everywhere, at all times, they're overwhelmed with the murderous zeal of the fanatic.
Cruz must be destroyed. For Thou Shalt Have NO OTHER GOD before Donald.
How much faith and trust did you have in the GOP before the primaries?
I'll bet none yet, you're NOW worried about their existence??
Interesting article on Ted Cruz from Jennifer Rubin no less.
About that ‘political suicide’ thing …
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2016/08/01/about-that-political-suicide-thing/?postshare=1771470096489740&tid=ss_tw-bottom
By refusing, no matter what, to abandon Trump, they reassure him that no matter how cruel, how lacking in empathy and how ignorant he may be, Republicans will discredit themselves to defend him. Cruz meanwhile, keeps his dignity, his intellectual integrity and 2020 aspirations alive.
Who, remind us again, made the career-ending mistake in Cleveland?
You will not find the word 'worry' in my post. 'Worry' is nothing more than interest paid in advance on a debt that never becomes due. The only ones worrying here are the Trump supporters who are now coming to the realization that without Conservative support, their liberal boy is going to lose.
Jennifer Rubin is right for a change.
Its TOO DAMN BAD she wasn't perceptive enough to realize this back when Cruz could've used a little more support from the establishment types.
No doubt she'll have forgotten all of this the next time a worthless establishment RINO steps up and runs against Cruz in 2020.
You didn't answer the question. What happened to the "I didn't leave the GOP, they left me" meme I've heard repeated over the last several years?
Now you can stand the thought of their demise?
That was strategic. The RINO wing of the NeverTrumpers, are mostly covert Hillarites.
While the RINOs have made peace with Trumpkins, they still favor Madame Rodham be coronated. That's a two-fer - they can say nyeer-nyeer at the base, try to show what fools they were to challenge the Wisdom Of The Elites; and they have a predictable print-and-spend Leftist in power. The cash stream will keep on flowing; and they'll get non-Americans to do the jobs Americans won't do. Like, vote Leftist.
They can live with Trump, if it comes to that. But, CRUZ? With those radical ideas, like Federalism and balanced budgets and the Constitution? NO...EFFIN'...WAY.
That's where the lovely Ms. Rubin is coming from. She's told to think that and to write that. And for those reasons. And she probably believes them, to the effect she cares at all.
Far ahead is a perquisite...DEPUTY PRESS SECRETARY, to somebody or other. IF she shows she's a good, loyal Party soldier.
You didn't answer the question. What happened to the "I didn't leave the GOP, they left me" meme I've heard repeated over the last several years?
Now you can stand the thought of their demise?
I will continue to support Conservative candidates. In the future, if Republicans decide to nominate Conservative candidates, then they will certainly have my vote. I guarantee it. But I will not vote for a Big Government liberal who has nothing but contempt for everything I hold dear simply because he decided to put an 'R' beside his name.
#NeverLiberal
I left the party, because it was taken over by a bunch of yahoos and their 'orange' God.
But don't worry so much wolf, for people who believe that their man is the best thing since the virgin birth you trumpsters have little confidence that your little orange god can pull it off. I have no doubt that he will beat 'hittlary', for one thing NO one since the fall of Rome knows more about bread and circuses than 'The Thumpster' does. After he wins American will get just what it deserves, that's the scary part, because it will be just what we deserve.
I can't see anything here I disagree with. You remind me how much I utterly and completely despise the establishment GOP.
In answer to your question, I had little faith in the GOP primary process before, but I had high hope that it would be corrected due to the hard work Ted Cruz put into his ground game at the state level bringing the power of the Party back to those at the grass roots level who support the GOP throughout the whole four years - not just those who show up to stand in line for five minutes and cast a primary vote. That hope ended in Cleveland when Trump delegates sided with those running the RNC and voted to cede even more power to the chairman.
I soberly accept their demise, cemented by their decision to nominate a liberal Democrat as their 2016 Presidential candidate and placing the reins of that campaign back into the hands of the last person to defeat Ronald Reagan back in 1976.
Did the GOP leave me? Absolutely. It has been a long-term process, but their contempt for Conservatives like me is now indisputable. This battered wife has had enough.
I will continue to support Conservative candidates. In the future, if Republicans decide to nominate Conservative candidates, then they will certainly have my vote. I guarantee it. But I will not vote for a Big Government liberal who has nothing but contempt for everything I hold dear simply because he decided to put an 'R' beside his name.
#NeverLiberal
That's what I don't get. I was hearing how the GOPe sucked back in 2007 when I was at TOS. Now, those same people are concern Trumps is destroying them. :pondering:
Well, I think people need to ask what the GOPe is being replaced with. Closing down our open and free society, which has given us the greatest standard of living in the history of human civilization? Eliminating the Republic in favor of a pure democracy? Spending $500 billion on infrastructure with no indication as to where the money will come from? Raising the minimum wage?
TEA Party to me represented a movement toward a smaller federal government that operates more in line with constitutional principles. I see nothing in Donald Trump that indicates he has this goal in mind when he talks about "making America great again."
No one is perfect but, Hillary is the devil. That's the way I see it.
No one is perfect but, Hillary is the devil. That's the way I see it.If you don't vote for Wormwood we will be stuck with Screwtape!
Trouble is, if Hillary manages to appoint a SCOTUS to wholly support the Progressive agenda plus add millions of new Dim voters to the population, there may never be a "conservative" candidate again. A fact conveniently overlooked.If America had figured out we were headed in the wrong direction we wouldn't have Clinton and Clintrumpton on the ballot.
If America hasn't figured out the the country is headed in the wrong direction by now, it may be a long while to the next epiphany.
I left the party, because it was taken over by a bunch of yahoos and their 'orange' God.
But don't worry so much wolf, for people who believe that their man is the best thing since the virgin birth you trumpsters have little confidence that your little orange god can pull it off. I have no doubt that he will beat 'hittlary', for one thing NO one since the fall of Rome knows more about bread and circuses than 'The Thumpster' does. After he wins American will get just what it deserves, that's the scary part, because it will be just what we deserve.
Trouble is, if Hillary manages to appoint a SCOTUS to wholly support the Progressive agenda plus add millions of new Dim voters to the population, there may never be a "conservative" candidate again. A fact conveniently overlooked.
The only ones overlooking it were Trump supporters who were hell-bent and determined to nominate the one candidate whom Hillary had the best chance of beating. The nomination of Supreme Court Justices was not a concern of theirs. They had their own progressive agenda in mind. Correcting the excesses of the current Administration took a back seat to turning the tables against them.
Donald Trump was the revenge candidate. Ted Cruz was the save-the-SCOTUS and block-the-progressive-agenda candidate. You made your choice, now live with it.
This isn't some fresh revelation. These points were brought up a year ago. You knew this would happen. You knew your candidate was a liberal POS. Yet you did it anyway. You did it to us. You screwed the whole country over by handing the White House to Hillary. And now you have the effrontery to warn us? Words cannot express the anger I have at the idiots who gave us the weakest candidate we could possibly have - at Bill Clinton's recommendation - to face Hillary.
All I got to say is - is Ted Cruz looking like a genius right now or what? So glad he didn't endorse the Trump Train Wreck.
Looks like he'll be able to say "I told you so" in the wake of the news some Republicans are considering revoking their endorsements.
(http://i.imgur.com/ZyvaIcb.png)
You would think someone had warned them but who am I to talk.
(http://i.imgur.com/QpB5rlb.jpg)
Seems like I recall someone here predicting this very thing many months ago!A few somebodies. I have been saying for a while that things were going to change once all of the Trump train had ridden into the box canyon. The media has been milking this for ratings and will continue to do so only now they will get it through scandal and outrage.
Trouble is, if Hillary manages to appoint a SCOTUS to wholly support the Progressive agenda plus add millions of new Dim voters to the population, there may never be a "conservative" candidate again. A fact conveniently overlooked.Frankly, the trouble is that both parties have managed to orchestrate a political situation where there is always some damned stick to beat the voters with to make them vote the two political parties.
If America hasn't figured out the the country is headed in the wrong direction by now, it may be a long while to the next epiphany.
Frankly, the trouble is that both parties have managed to orchestrate a political situation where there is always some damned stick to beat the voters with to make them vote the two political parties.
When the other party gets in (in desperation), the country moves away from the Constitution and Liberty and closer to totalitarianism, regardless of who is in power.
IF the Republican candidate wins we will NOT get any significant rollback in spending, there will not be a smaller Federal Government at the end of 4 years, there will be no reduction in the number or scope of regulations, and we will have still a SCOTUS which will still rewrite the law to rubber stamp unconstitutional acts, even as rewritten.
The executive branch will continue to write law (although they call it "regulations" or "codes"), the Congress will authorize instruments of debt as "money", and the SCOTUS and other courts will continue to legislate from the bench. Neither of the two Major Parties, little separated by ideology, will do anything to change that political situation they are not only comfortable with, but find eminently profitable.
As for SCOTUS, the penalty , rewritten into a 'tax' in Obamacare originated in the Senate, and revenue measures (taxes) are constitutionally required to originate in the House. Not only did the court overstep its bounds to uphold the act by rewriting it, the rewritten form was unconstitutional. For damned sure, revenue measures aren't supposed to originate in the SCOTUS.
Roberts did that and he was appointed by a Republican.
America has been headed in the wrong direction for well over a century. Continuing down this road is not improving matters, and voting for one party which will maybe bring chocolates, flowers, or a bottle of half-decent wine (because the other party won't) isn't going to change the outcome on the morning after.
How would you get around this?I hate to say it, but the solution is to have a viable third party. Right now, there is no effective political juxtaposition, only the appearance of it. Both 'teams' (and it has been reduced to that significance) are playing the same game, and moving toward the same goal.
By having elections based not on individuals but on PARTY, and proportionate representation - that is, the parties given percentage of seats in the Legislature and then filling them with their operatives?
That is the "Parliamentary" system, and it creates very-unstable, very-weak governments in Europe.
If we have the direct election system that MADE us a stable republic, we will always have two bland parties - and third parties will always be marginalized. Third parties siphon votes off the party most like them - they serve only as spoilers.
There is no other way. Unless, of course, you want to put government in charge of how many parties there are and what they stand for. That's been done, too - in Communist and other totalitarian systems.
Our TRUE problem is that, unlike years past, we're divided as a culture...not just divided, but cleaved; split wide apart. And the real cleft is between the Political class and the citizenry. THAT is where we are at and how we got there; and ONLY Term Limits and limits on government spending, can liquidate the Political Class.
Trouble is, if Hillary manages to appoint a SCOTUS to wholly support the Progressive agenda plus add millions of new Dim voters to the population, there may never be a "conservative" candidate again. A fact conveniently overlooked.
If America had figured out we were headed in the wrong direction we wouldn't have Clinton and Clintrumpton on the ballot.
@wolfcreek
COOL! Bring on the revolution! If that and similar things don't make it happen,it will never happen.
And make no mistake about it,America has been circling the drain for too long for anything short of a revolution and hanging the bastards in public can turn things around.
I hate to say it, but the solution is to have a viable third party.
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The fact that those two ARE on the ballot is what is having so many voters from the actual left and the actual right up in arms and raising hell. The people HAVE figured out our former representative Republican government has been replaced by a fascist nobility state. The vast majority of them just haven't figured out what to do about it yet.
Or they have figured out what to do about it,and just aren't to the point they are ready to make that sort of move yet.
@Smokin Joe
Close,but no cigar. I have been saying "What this country needs is an actual 2nd/Opposition Party" for at least the last 3 election cycles.
Ever since the Clinton Presidency we have only had a choice between "More of the same",or "MUCH more of the same".
That ain't a choice. It's a sentence.
I hate to say it, but the solution is to have a viable third party. Right now, there is no effective political juxtaposition, only the appearance of it. Both 'teams' (and it has been reduced to that significance) are playing the same game, and moving toward the same goal.
We need to get back to the basics, and only one party really has that as part of its platform.
That's the Constitution Party. It is not a political force (yet) but that can be built, just as the Republican Party was built. It is a matter of people recognizing that most of the problems of this Republic stem from getting away from the fundamental design, and voting or working to return to that design.
That is the reason I support the Constitution Party.
It isn't racetrack ready, but the right parts are there, and it will take some work to build it to run with the big two, but it can be done. Expect it to be savaged in the media from the start because the concepts are so old they are radical.
If you are interested, more info can be found here: http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,214526.msg0.html#new (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,214526.msg0.html#new)
What is a "party"? Is it a sentient being, like an alien?
A party is a group of people organized around a purpose. It's a STRUCTURE - and the structure is a tool.
The party reflects the morality of the people within it. If the party lies and deceives, it's not the party's fault - it's the fault of the people inside it.
The way to solve this is to DISPLACE THOSE PEOPLE.
If you create a new party...not a third party but the 233rd party, there are several hundred already...and then LEAVE it to do the heavy lifting FOR you...the same sorts of people will get involved. The political class. Or else some other kook group, as has taken over the Losertarians.
The problem is the morality of people who are variously inside the political system or who want to become insiders. Another party will not solve anything; it will just fragment, even more, the non-Communist, non-Leftist vote.
Term limits, limits on government spending and strict imposition of Constitutional limits, driven by State power and sovereignty, are our only solution.
Yes no one is perfect but most people are sane. Eight years of having a narcissistic maniacal maniac in the oval office don't you think that it would give pause to any logical thinking person?
Maybe you will answer this question, trumpsters insistence that we must vote for their man, even though the 'the donald' repeatedly and clearly said he doesn't need our vote. So please tell me how is our not voting at all a bad thing?
The only ones overlooking it were Trump supporters who were hell-bent and determined to nominate the one candidate whom Hillary had the best chance of beating. The nomination of Supreme Court Justices was not a concern of theirs. They had their own progressive agenda in mind. Correcting the excesses of the current Administration took a back seat to turning the tables against them.
Donald Trump was the revenge candidate. Ted Cruz was the save-the-SCOTUS and block-the-progressive-agenda candidate. You made your choice, now live with it.
This isn't some fresh revelation. These points were brought up a year ago. You knew this would happen. You knew your candidate was a liberal POS. Yet you did it anyway. You did it to us. You screwed the whole country over by handing the White House to Hillary. And now you have the effrontery to warn us? Words cannot express the anger I have at the idiots who gave us the weakest candidate we could possibly have - at Bill Clinton's recommendation - to face Hillary.
Frankly, the trouble is that both parties have managed to orchestrate a political situation where there is always some damned stick to beat the voters with to make them vote the two political parties.
When the other party gets in (in desperation), the country moves away from the Constitution and Liberty and closer to totalitarianism, regardless of who is in power.
IF the Republican candidate wins we will NOT get any significant rollback in spending, there will not be a smaller Federal Government at the end of 4 years, there will be no reduction in the number or scope of regulations, and we will have still a SCOTUS which will still rewrite the law to rubber stamp unconstitutional acts, even as rewritten.
The executive branch will continue to write law (although they call it "regulations" or "codes"), the Congress will authorize instruments of debt as "money", and the SCOTUS and other courts will continue to legislate from the bench. Neither of the two Major Parties, little separated by ideology, will do anything to change that political situation they are not only comfortable with, but find eminently profitable.
As for SCOTUS, the penalty , rewritten into a 'tax' in Obamacare originated in the Senate, and revenue measures (taxes) are constitutionally required to originate in the House. Not only did the court overstep its bounds to uphold the act by rewriting it, the rewritten form was unconstitutional. For damned sure, revenue measures aren't supposed to originate in the SCOTUS.
Roberts did that and he was appointed by a Republican.
America has been headed in the wrong direction for well over a century. Continuing down this road is not improving matters, and voting for one party which will maybe bring chocolates, flowers, or a bottle of half-decent wine (because the other party won't) isn't going to change the outcome on the morning after.
I'll tell you that the reason we lost in 2008 and 2012 was because large segments refused to vote for our candidate.I guess it wasn't so much 'our' candidate, then.
@wolfcreek
COOL! Bring on the revolution! If that and similar things don't make it happen,it will never happen.
And make no mistake about it,America has been circling the drain for too long for anything short of a revolution and hanging the bastards in public can turn things around.
I guess it wasn't so much 'our' candidate, then.
Two elections and someone still hasn't figured this stuff out?
Morphing to the LEFT, becoming more like the other party in denial of what people have wanted: opposition to the Left, and a clear, distinct choice.
Trump may have harnessed the anger of part of the base, but he's still a liberal down deep.
When faced with two New York Liberals, people are more likely to not bother to pick one.
I'll tell you that the reason we lost in 2008 and 2012 was because large segments refused to vote for our candidate.If large segments of the population refuse to vote for the GOP candidate, that say something of the qualities and virtues of said candidate. It is no different this election cycle. Anyone who chooses to vote for a candidate just because he/she is from a particular party, is voting based on wrong reasoning. Cruz was right. We should vote based on our conscious, not allegiance.
I'll tell you that the reason we lost in 2008 and 2012 was because large segments refused to vote for our candidate.
Well, sit home and watch football.Part of fixing a problem is identifying it. Fix the wrong thing, and the problem will continue to exist or become worse.
If large segments of the population refuse to vote for the GOP candidate, that say something of the qualities and virtues of said candidate. It is no different this election cycle. Anyone who chooses to vote for a candidate just because he/she is from a particular party, is voting based on wrong reasoning. Cruz was right. We should vote based on our conscious, not allegiance.
When faced with two New York Liberals, people are more likely to not bother to pick one.
Part of fixing a problem is identifying it. Fix the wrong thing, and the problem will continue to exist or become worse.
If you have read my other responses, you will see that I advocate building the Constitution Party into a political force to oppose the uniparty. It will take more than just little ol' me, because parties are groups of like minded people.
If enough people want to return to our Constitutional government, as intended, the Constitution Party will grow. If people are unaware of that option or don't bother actually reading the party platform and listen to the uniparty folks, it won't grow.
As for football, I couldn't care less. Tax people to build a stadium so you can charge them to come in and watch people who make a lot of money throw a ball, and call those people 'heroes'. It's a game. Meh.
Actually, people will pick the bigger Liberal, the larger Leftist, the greater Statist.Why screw around with the lesser evil?
If large segments of the population refuse to vote for the GOP candidate, that say something of the qualities and virtues of said candidate. It is no different this election cycle. Anyone who chooses to vote for a candidate just because he/she is from a particular party, is voting based on wrong reasoning. Cruz was right. We should vote based on our conscious, not allegiance.
You and your prince repeatedly told us that you did not need, nor want our support or votes to 'win'. You were gonna do it without us.
So pound sand on your whining about the large segments who are going to refuse to vote for your prince.
That doesn't really explain the Hillary voters now does it?
That's BS, Norm. We don't want a Obama third term skirt taking the White House.
You people who want the 'perfect' candidate [of which there were none] only hurt the chances of ever achieving your Utopia by encouraging those who might be on the fence to either vote for her or some third party wannabe.
If Hillary wins the Left will have control over the narrative and law for the next generation. That is my whole reason for even bothering to be here.
The only ones overlooking it were Trump supporters who were hell-bent and determined to nominate the one candidate whom Hillary had the best chance of beating. The nomination of Supreme Court Justices was not a concern of theirs. They had their own progressive agenda in mind. Correcting the excesses of the current Administration took a back seat to turning the tables against them.
Donald Trump was the revenge candidate. Ted Cruz was the save-the-SCOTUS and block-the-progressive-agenda candidate. You made your choice, now live with it.
This isn't some fresh revelation. These points were brought up a year ago. You knew this would happen. You knew your candidate was a liberal POS. Yet you did it anyway. You did it to us. You screwed the whole country over by handing the White House to Hillary. And now you have the effrontery to warn us? Words cannot express the anger I have at the idiots who gave us the weakest candidate we could possibly have - at Bill Clinton's recommendation - to face Hillary.
No, it's 100% true and the proof is in your voting for and support on these forums of, liberal candidates like Romney, Trump, Bhoner, Mitch and the rest every single election without fail.
Stomp your widdle feets about it all you like. Doesn't change demonstrated history. Voters like you put America in the place it is with your actions.
Quote from: Hoodat on August 03, 2016, 11:50:46 AM
The only ones overlooking it were Trump supporters who were hell-bent and determined to nominate the one candidate whom Hillary had the best chance of beating. The nomination of Supreme Court Justices was not a concern of theirs. They had their own progressive agenda in mind. Correcting the excesses of the current Administration took a back seat to turning the tables against them.
Donald Trump was the revenge candidate. Ted Cruz was the save-the-SCOTUS and block-the-progressive-agenda candidate. You made your choice, now live with it.
This isn't some fresh revelation. These points were brought up a year ago. You knew this would happen. You knew your candidate was a liberal POS. Yet you did it anyway. You did it to us. You screwed the whole country over by handing the White House to Hillary. And now you have the effrontery to warn us? Words cannot express the anger I have at the idiots who gave us the weakest candidate we could possibly have - at Bill Clinton's recommendation - to face Hillary.
:amen:
Guess I shouldn't have voted for Cruz but, at least I voted.
As far as "foot stomping" you #Nevergetoffyourasses" but, #activelyhelpelectclinton, take the cake.
And on election day you'll vote in, or TRY to, Trump. Lifelong liberal.
I vote for conservatives. I bake my own cake. Liberal free.
For me, Cruz was the best choice for our country. There were at least 5 choices that were better than Trump.
Now, we're stuck with a narcissist who can't focus (for long) and anything but himself.
At the heart of it, we have a cultural problem brought on by a pervasive moral problem.
Yes. The problem is gutless people that run to liberals every election. Which leads to more liberal indoctrination of society, which leads to more liberals elected the following election. Rinse/repeat.
The communist Manifisto and the planks spelled it out pretty clearly. See also 1936 Communist goals.
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There were at least 5 choices that were better than Trump.
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Right on Norm! Right on! I'll bet you there are not one in a hundred on this forum who have ever read either!
Quick story. Back when I did the off-road.com thing, I had a copy of the CM on my desk as we often refered to it when showing the origins of environ'mental'ism in America.
We had an IT guy come in for some reason or another and he was from Vietnam.. Dude freaked.
"DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE THAT THING KILLED!?!?!?!"
Once I explained it's purpose there, he was thankful that people were being told the truth of it. Not what they were being taught in the media and schools.
People don't want to read it because if they do, they will 'know'. And there's too much TV to worry about for that.
#Nevergetoffyourasses" but, #activelyhelpelectclinton, take the cake.'
Yes. The problem is gutless people that run to liberals every election. Which leads to more liberal indoctrination of society, which leads to more liberals elected the following election. Rinse/repeat.Nailed it. This country is a willing victim of increamentalism. You see it in politicians, the goal posts have been sneaking left across the field. JFK would be a radical right winger today. All of the founding father's would darn near be anarchists for the smallness of government they invisioned. Thanks to the grand idea of an undefined progess children are taught this is the way it should be.
The communist Manifisto and the planks spelled it out pretty clearly. See also 1936 Communist goals.
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For me, Cruz was the best choice for our country. There were at least 5 choices that were better than Trump.
Now, we're stuck with a narcissist who can't focus (for long) and anything but himself.
At the heart of it, we have a cultural problem brought on by a pervasive moral problem.
For me, Cruz was the best choice for our country. There were at least 5 choices that were better than Trump.
Now, we're stuck with a narcissist who can't focus (for long) and anything but himself.
At the heart of it, we have a cultural problem brought on by a pervasive moral problem.
I just started reading "A time for truth" and was pleased to see that Ted Cruz relates the tragic story of Sam Houston in exactly the same light I've seen it in.
Sam Houston was a brilliant patriotic man who rose to the governors mansion by being a principled man who never betrayed his principles and standing by the state he loved. He was driven from office by an angry unthinking mob mentality for the simple crime of telling them the truth. It cost more than a half million lives including Houston's own son but in the end the truth of Sam Houston's principled stance was proven true.
I'm seeing more of the French Revolution in this election. Trump is a kindred spirit of Maximilian Robespierre. Should we tell Mr. Trump that things didn't end so well for Messr. Robespierre?
One only needs to consider the "discourse" found in TOS to prove that my opinion is based on fact.
Yes. The problem is gutless people that run to liberals every election. Which leads to more liberal indoctrination of society, which leads to more liberals elected the following election. Rinse/repeat.
The communist Manifisto and the planks spelled it out pretty clearly. See also 1936 Communist goals.
Absolutely @Kinsman Redeemer ............ at the core, the problem of this election is the deep moral issues in America today. I believe the worst of it began in the 1960's when ethics were discarded and "If it feels good, do it" became the mantra of boomers and they raised their children in a valueless vacuum.
We used to have one party who stood up (at least to a degree) against the cultural morass, and we used to have a Church that did as well. Now we have Republicans, and sometimes "Christians" supporting an amoral, corrupt narcissist.
And those of us who maintain that morality and character matter are given NO choice in this election.
@Idaho_Cowboy
JFK would be a radical right winger today. All of the founding father's would darn near be anarchists for the smallness of government they invisioned. Thanks to the grand idea of an undefined progess children are taught this is the way it should be.
We used to have one party who stood up (at least to a degree) against the cultural morass, <<
@musiclady
I am old enough to remember when BOTH parties were anti-communist. Remember,it was JFK that ordered the invasion of Cuba,even if he punked out once it started,and it was JFK that sent the first Special Forces troops to VN to teach the SVN army how to combat the guerilla warfare tactics in use before the NVA started showing up.
Then it was LBJ,another prominent Dim president that ended up sending 500,000 troops there to fight the NVA. Eventually,communist agents inside the Dim party like Senator Fulbright and others corrupted so many Dim Party officials or had blackmail on them to the point where they took over the party.
I will always believe the Soviets had proof of Bobby and Teddy being involved in the murder of Marilyn Monroe,and that was why Bobby suddenly took a hard left political turn.
Now they also own the Republicans. Ironic when you consider they no longer have any power in Russia,ain't it?
>>and we used to have a Church that did as well. <<
Only because they saw communism as their most serious rival for money and power.
>>Now we have Republicans, and sometimes "Christians" supporting an amoral, corrupt narcissist.<<
The Christian crowd were already communists at heart,they just didn't know it.
We no longer have any actual Republicans holding powerful political positions,and haven't had any since the Dim left infiltrated the Republican Party after Newt led the conservative revolution and took over control of congress for the first time in 40 years. They managed to force conservatives out of office and power positions using blackmail and a complicit media at the political middle power levels,while the old Country Club Republicans wiped out conservatism at the upper levels of political power.
Absolutely @Kinsman Redeemer ............ at the core, the problem of this election is the deep moral issues in America today. I believe the worst of it began in the 1960's when ethics were discarded and "If it feels good, do it" became the mantra of boomers and they raised their children in a valueless vacuum.I remember starting the school day with The Lord's Prayer (Of course, we were Catholic Kids so we left the last two lines of the Protestant version out, but that just illustrates how those who choose not to partake in all or part of a prayer didn't have to.), and the Pledge of Allegiance. That was in the public schools.
We used to have one party who stood up (at least to a degree) against the cultural morass, and we used to have a Church that did as well. Now we have Republicans, and sometimes "Christians" supporting an amoral, corrupt narcissist.
And those of us who maintain that morality and character matter are given NO choice in this election.
@Norm LenhartI like the irony in her working to impeach Nixon for perjury and obstruction of justice, the same things Bubba was impeached for.
Absolutely! Is it any wonder none of Bubbette!'s alleged Republican opponents have the stones to mention she worked first for the Black Panthers in NY during summer law school recess,and then with the Communist Party USA in California,as a legal aide?
I have to wonder how many Dim voters even know that? WHY does no one mention it?
I like the irony in her working to impeach Nixon for perjury and obstruction of justice, the same things Bubba was impeached for.
@Smokin JoeAnd they won't find the time, either--oh look! Squirrel! And it's ORANGE!!
If you want irony,you don't have to go that far forward. Her first job fresh out of lawschool was as a drone for the Senate Watergate Committee (as you eluded to),and she was fired from that job after SHE was caught destroying evidence favorable to Nixon,and fabricating evidence against him. In other words,obstructing justice.
Odd how not one single mainstream news organization in the whole country can manage to find time to report that,ain't it?