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Title: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Mechanicos on July 21, 2016, 02:33:35 am
WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE

SENATOR TED CRUZ REFUSED TO ENDORSE TRUMP AT RNC—
WOULD NOT ENDORSE TRUMP—
TOLD REPUBLICANS TO VOTE THEIR CONSCIENCE!!!

Cruz only mentioned Donald Trump ONCE!

    Omg. The #RNCinCLE reception for @tedcruz speech is the best TV since the premiere of House of Cards back in March

    — Ryan Adserias (@ryanpadserias) July 21, 2016

Crowd Boos Him Off Stage—-

    Ted Cruz fails to endorse Donald Trump; crowd boos as he walks off stage.pic.twitter.com/Fr28ZRg0JX

    — Breaking911 (@Breaking911) July 21, 2016

    @tedcruz is more Larry David than Bernie Sanders. Narcissist. #MAGA #RNCinCLE

    — Neil Dwyer (@DwyerDish) July 21, 2016

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/07/wow-political-suicide-ted-cruz-refuses-endorse-trump-crowd-boos-off-stage/
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: geronl on July 21, 2016, 02:34:36 am
Give us Barrabas!!

Give us Palpatine!!
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: TomSea on July 21, 2016, 02:37:19 am
Over dramatization in the original article; but....

I'm sure Cruz will be okay, even if Trump loses, he will be the figurehead leader a la Romney?

Cruz will do just fine. I'm loyal to the party and not to Cruz or Trump. Trump is the nominee, Cruz has reasons to hold back his endorsement.

Cruz's campaign was not angelic either, they had the mailers, the incident in Iowa with Carson and Cruz was buddy buddy with Trump when it suited him.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: ScottinVA on July 21, 2016, 02:40:41 am
CRUZ DIDN'T ENDORSE HOLY ORANGE GLORIOUS!!!!!

 888ohnoes
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: geronl on July 21, 2016, 02:41:32 am
Trumps supporters want a dictator. That much is obvious.

There was absolutely not one good reason for Ted Cruz, or any conservative, to endorse Trump.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: truth_seeker on July 21, 2016, 02:42:17 am

Reagan endorsed Ford in 1976 and won Potus in 1980.

Cruz withheld endorsing tonight, and it will no be forgotten. It is a symbol of political judgment.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: LMAO on July 21, 2016, 02:45:26 am
Whatever one thinks of Cruz or Trump the fact is the GOP nominee faces Clinton with a party that's divided and in turmoil. I'm not sure if Cruz was the nominee if things would be different but the division and chaos in the GOP puts a party that already faces disadvantages in the general election in a very precarious position.

Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Suppressed on July 21, 2016, 02:46:55 am
Trumps supporters want a dictator. That much is obvious.

There was absolutely not one good reason for Ted Cruz, or any conservative, to endorse Trump.

Only in a sick, twisted mind is "vote your conscience" a negative.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: TomSea on July 21, 2016, 02:58:08 am
Now, this is class, Mike Pence; pro-life, Hoosier, loves America.

The likes of Cruz and in fact, supporters too, could learn a lesson.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: INVAR on July 21, 2016, 02:59:33 am
Reagan endorsed Ford in 1976 and won Potus in 1980.

Cruz withheld endorsing tonight, and it will no be forgotten. It is a symbol of political judgment.

Reagan DID NOT BY NAME ENDORSE FORD at the Convention in '76.  He endorsed the platform and stated that they needed to "go forth united".

Text of Reagan's Speech in 1976:

http://www.nationalcenter.org/ReaganConvention1976.html
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: ABX on July 21, 2016, 03:00:16 am
If you take Cruz saying 'vote your values' as not endorsing Trump - you admit Trump does not follow your values.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: sneakypete on July 21, 2016, 03:04:35 am
Reagan endorsed Ford in 1976 and won Potus in 1980.

Cruz withheld endorsing tonight, and it will no be forgotten. It is a symbol of political judgment.

@truth_seeker

I may be wrong,but I think this will help him politically in the future. It shows him to be a man of character. Someone that will stick with what they think is right even if it is unpopular at the time.

ANY fool can join a mob.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: libertybele on July 21, 2016, 03:08:13 am
Reagan endorsed Ford in 1976 and won Potus in 1980.

Cruz withheld endorsing tonight, and it will no be forgotten. It is a symbol of political judgment.

Political judgement??  ....hmmm let's see ... not endorsing someone who doesn't have a clue, who has used bullying, lying and cheating to obtain his nomination .... yep ... definitely a good sense of political judgement!  Secondly ... Trump is definitely 'no' Gerald Ford.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: goatprairie on July 21, 2016, 03:09:10 am
Over dramatization in the original article; but....

I'm sure Cruz will be okay, even if Trump loses, he will be the figurehead leader a la Romney?

Cruz will do just fine. I'm loyal to the party and not to Cruz or Trump. Trump is the nominee, Cruz has reasons to hold back his endorsement.

Cruz's campaign was not angelic either, they had the mailers, the incident in Iowa with Carson and Cruz was buddy buddy with
I've watching these prez campaigns for over fify years. I've never, ever seen a candidate from either major party call the names, the slander, the insults Trump has called the other Republican candidates. I was hoping Cruz had the character not to cave, and he didn't disappoint me.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: libertybele on July 21, 2016, 03:09:52 am
@truth_seeker

I may be wrong,but I think this will help him politically in the future. It shows him to be a man of character. Someone that will stick with what they think is right even if it is unpopular at the time.

ANY fool can join a mob.

 :beer:
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: NavyCanDo on July 21, 2016, 03:12:06 am
Called him lying Ted one too many times.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: goatprairie on July 21, 2016, 03:13:35 am
I expected a Trump a**-kisser like Carlson to get his panties in a knot, but I surprised to see Brit Hume with his lips glued to Trump's posterior. I always suspected Chris Wallace was a weasel just like his pappy. I was proved right.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: geronl on July 21, 2016, 03:17:52 am
(http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m13/geronl/WHITETRASH_zps6jksqly1.png)


Reagan did not endorse Ford in 1976 unless you hire a very liberal interpreter.

"Vote your conscience" is as close as Ted could have come without compromising his principles.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Ancient on July 21, 2016, 03:18:35 am
I can see why the RNC would boo any mention of the word conscious.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: massadvj on July 21, 2016, 03:36:55 am
I supported Cruz and still do not support Trump. I think Cruz should not have shown up in that hall if he was not going to lend more support to the ticket. Maybe he is standing on principle, but what about the principle and honor of signing a pledge and abiding by it because you gave your word?

Only the diehard supporters will think Cruz helped himself tonight.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: geronl on July 21, 2016, 03:40:55 am
I supported Cruz and still do not support Trump. I think Cruz should not have shown up in that hall if he was not going to lend more support to the ticket.

He had every right to be there. He supported the party, the platform, he stood up for the values and principles that the party supposedly stands for. He made the best speech of the convention.

This is not the Trump convention, this is a party convention.

Ted Cruz is 100% right on the money.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: LMAO on July 21, 2016, 03:42:17 am
Quote from: massadvj link=topic=216745.msg977819#msg977819 date=1469072215

Only the diehard supporters will think Cruz helped himself tonight.
[/quote

I supported Cruz and still would rather see him as the nominee but several months ago, I had the sense both Trump and Cruz were becoming too toxic for the electorate.

Should Trump lose in Nov, the 2020 GOP nominee needs to be a new face.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Fantom on July 21, 2016, 03:42:25 am
It was so radical of Ted to say "Vote your conscience.  Vote to defend the Constitution."  Do the unmentionalbles even know what they were booing?

Obviously.... they.. the boo'rs know what they s'port is unconscionable.... and UN-Constitutional.

Otherwise they would have stood in ovation of Teds speech.



Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: sinkspur on July 21, 2016, 03:43:10 am
I supported Cruz and still do not support Trump. I think Cruz should not have shown up in that hall if he was not going to lend more support to the ticket. Maybe he is standing on principle, but what about the principle and honor of signing a pledge and abiding by it because you gave your word?

Only the diehard supporters will think Cruz helped himself tonight.

The Trump campaign approved the speech, then planned the boos. 

He had no obligation to endorse Trump.  That pledge was stupid and anybody who thinks Trump would have supported it is smoking something.  Everybody KNEW Cruz wasn't going to endorse, so all this angst is really funny to me.

I think Cruz did help himself.  And Trump won't be able to resist trashing Cruz tomorrow night, which is exactly the reaction Cruz likely wants.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: skeeter on July 21, 2016, 03:43:36 am
I supported Cruz and still do not support Trump. I think Cruz should not have shown up in that hall if he was not going to lend more support to the ticket. Maybe he is standing on principle, but what about the principle and honor of signing a pledge and abiding by it because you gave your word?

Only the diehard supporters will think Cruz helped himself tonight.

I must be a die hard Cruz supporter then, because tonight I heard someone who actually speaks for me.

BTW Trump himself backed out of the pledge deal on 3/30/16 on CNN. So can we dispense with that particular untruth, at least?
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: sinkspur on July 21, 2016, 03:44:57 am
Reagan endorsed Ford in 1976 and won Potus in 1980.

Cruz withheld endorsing tonight, and it will no be forgotten. It is a symbol of political judgment.

Trump is going to be crushed in November and this whole Trump thing will be viewed as a pimple that had to be popped.  The GOP will move beyond this aberration.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Bigun on July 21, 2016, 03:45:24 am
Ted Cruz just made the best political speech I've heard since Reagan's Time for Choosing!
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Fantom on July 21, 2016, 03:46:32 am
I supported Cruz and still do not support Trump. I think Cruz should not have shown up in that hall if he was not going to lend more support to the ticket. Maybe he is standing on principle, but what about the principle and honor of signing a pledge and abiding by it because you gave your word?

Only the diehard supporters will think Cruz helped himself tonight.

Ted lended perfect ....perfect support to a trump ticket ...if trump is a Conservative. As trump has "claimed" to be.

Now lets see if trump can gain that endorsement. It is up to trump.

As for your pledge...already broken by trump.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Fantom on July 21, 2016, 03:47:37 am
 
Ted Cruz just made the best political speech I've heard since Reagan's Time for Choosing!

Yes Sir.... :beer: :patriot: :patriot: :seeya:
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Wingnut on July 21, 2016, 03:50:45 am
Cleveland (CNN)Ted Cruz sensationally withheld an endorsement of Donald Trump at the Republican National Convention on Wednesday, earning a chorus of boos from the floor before he was upstaged in a power play by the GOP nominee himself.

In a dramatic development, as Cruz wrapped up his speech, Trump suddenly appeared in the Quicken Loans Arena in Cleveland. He walked to join his family in a VIP area and flashed a thumbs-up -- a gesture that transmitted clear anger at the Texas senator's behavior.
Cruz, his party's runner-up, uttered Trump's name just once -- to congratulate him -- and instead pitched the ideological brand of conservatism that endears him to the GOP's base.
"I congratulate Donald Trump on winning the nomination last night," Cruz said. "And like each of you, I want to see the principles that our party believes prevail in November."
But as it was clear Cruz was going to end his speech without endorsing Trump, delegates began to boo and some chanted "We want Trump!"
"Don't stay home in November," Cruz said toward the end of his otherwise very well-received speech. "Stand and speak and vote your conscience."
As delegates began to protest, Sen. Cruz's wife, Heidi Cruz, was heckled by Trump supporters shouting "Goldman Sachs!" and escorted out by security. Heidi Cruz, who is an employee of Goldman Sachs, declined to answer questions from reporters, saying, "I don't talk to the media, thanks."
The stunning political theater between the top two contenders in the Republican primary race blew open divisions in the party that the convention is designed to heal, and suggested Cruz believes Trump will lose in November.
Cruz's appearance at the Cleveland convention had been the subject of intense anticipation over his attitude toward Trump, after their intensely personal exchanges in the late stages of the primary race.
He got a prolonged standing ovation as he walked on stage for a speech that appeared to be an attempt to establish himself as the guardian of conservative values that some activists doubt Trump shares.
Cruz's rebuke ignited a hot scene around the senator as soon as he left the stage. People averted their eyes from Cruz and his wife as they walked with their security detail on the skybox level of boisterous Republicans.
On the donor suite level, people approached Cruz and insulted him, a source told CNN's Dana Bash. One state party chairman reacted so angrily that he had to be restrained.
Cruz, who has long sought the support of GOP megadonor Sheldon Adelson, was turned away when he tried to enter Adelson's suite after the rebuke, three sources tell CNN.
A source close to Cruz said the senator wasn't shocked by the mood after the speech.
"He expected people to not approve," the source said. "Not surprised at the reaction."
Indiana Gov. Mike Pence, who accepted the nomination as Trump's vice presidential nominee at the end of Wednesday's session, sidestepped when asked about Cruz's speech.
"I am just grateful for all the support we are receiving and I am excited about the future," Pence sai
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: WAC on July 21, 2016, 03:53:39 am
Over dramatization in the original article; but....

I'm sure Cruz will be okay, even if Trump loses, he will be the figurehead leader a la Romney?

Cruz will do just fine. I'm loyal to the party and not to Cruz or Trump. Trump is the nominee, Cruz has reasons to hold back his endorsement.

Cruz's campaign was not angelic either, they had the mailers, the incident in Iowa with Carson and Cruz was buddy buddy with Trump when it suited him.

That's a good summary....
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: SirLinksALot on July 21, 2016, 04:02:46 am
Apparently Trump saw Ted Cruz's speech in advance:

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  Twitter @REALDONALDTRUMP

    WOW! Ted Cruz got booed off the stage, didn't honor the pledge! I saw his speech two hours early but let him speak anyway, No Big Deal!
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: SirLinksALot on July 21, 2016, 04:06:40 am

Cruz's campaign was not angelic either, they had the mailers, the incident in Iowa with Carson and Cruz was buddy buddy with Trump when it suited him.

1) The incident in Iowa with Carson was a misunderstanding that was started by CNN who took Carson's flying back to Florida instead of New Hampshire to mean that he was dropping out. Ted Cruz simply repeated what CNN said verbatim, which he apologized for later.

2) I wonder how you can continue to be buddy buddies with Trump when he insults your wife and insinuates that your father was part of the conspiracy to assassinate JFK.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Gefn on July 21, 2016, 04:14:34 am
Good for Senator Ted. He didn't deserve those boos. I pray he's the nominee in 2020.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: rodamala on July 21, 2016, 04:20:40 am
If I call your wife a whore will you endorse me for president?
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Fantom on July 21, 2016, 04:23:19 am
If I call your wife a whore will you endorse me for president?

Well... I can be bought.

However.. it seems Ted cannot so be.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Hoodat on July 21, 2016, 04:24:44 am
CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE LIBERAL

                                         CONSERVATIVES CHEER
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Gefn on July 21, 2016, 04:29:35 am
If I call your wife a whore will you endorse me for president?


@rodamala which wife? Marla or the present one ? (Cant think of her name)
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: jedidah on July 21, 2016, 04:30:17 am
Reagan endorsed Ford in 1976 and won Potus in 1980.

Cruz withheld endorsing tonight, and it will no be forgotten. It is a symbol of political judgment.

Please don't try to equate Ford and Trump.

Ford and Reagan ran honorable campaigns.  Do you think Reagan would have endorsed Trump, particularly after the nasty and personally dishonest campaign Trump has run?

There is no comparison.

Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Hoodat on July 21, 2016, 04:31:47 am
Only the diehard supporters will think Cruz helped himself tonight.

It's not a matter of Cruz helping himself.  He was not self-serving in what he did.  He served the principles that make him what he is.  Remaining true to his values is more important than positioning himself for a future election.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Free Vulcan on July 21, 2016, 04:32:55 am
Way to go Ted! You didn't let me down.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Hoodat on July 21, 2016, 04:36:50 am
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On the donor suite level, people approached Cruz and insulted him, a source told CNN's Dana Bash. One state party chairman reacted so angrily that he had to be restrained.

That's demonic.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Bigun on July 21, 2016, 05:09:31 am
It's not a matter of Cruz helping himself.  He was not self-serving in what he did.  He served the principles that make him what he is.  Remaining true to his values is more important than positioning himself for a future election.

Absolutely right!  :beer:
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: NavyCanDo on July 21, 2016, 05:19:23 am
Good for Senator Ted. He didn't deserve those boos. I pray he's the nominee in 2020.

Did you hear where Heidi Cruz had to have a security detail escort through the building for her safety.   To protect her from attendees - not from the protestors outside. 
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Gefn on July 21, 2016, 05:23:01 am
Did you hear where Heidi Cruz had to have a security detail escort through the building for her safety.   To protect her from attendees - not from the protestors outside.


So,so sad. What ever happened to the Golden Rule? She didn't deserve that.

I,also saw ones other thread someone tried to attack Sen Cruz?.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: etcb on July 21, 2016, 05:26:05 am
Three brief points about this issue.

1.)  Does anyone know the exact wording of the pledge everyone is so excited about.  Was it a commitment to "endorse" the nominee of the party or to "support" the nominee?  It appears Senator Cruz expressed strong support for the republican ticket.  In fact, he made a more cogent argument for voting against Sec. Clinton that Mr. Trump ever has. 

2.)  Based on his record, is there anyone who believes that Mr. Trump would have been more gracious than any of the other candidates had he not received the nomination.

3.)  Is there anyone who believes that continuing to trash Senator Cruz, or any other Republican,  will gain even one additional vote against Sec. Clinton who after all is the opponent.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: ABX on July 21, 2016, 05:27:23 am
Did you hear where Heidi Cruz had to have a security detail escort through the building for her safety.   To protect her from attendees - not from the protestors outside.

A big spotlight revealed a lot tonight. From delegates booing the radical concepts of voting your values and supporting the constitution, to grown men threatening a woman. You have witnessed the permanent split in the Republican party. Cruz may not have done his future careers any favors but he sure helped conservatives see exactly what is going on.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: ABX on July 21, 2016, 05:29:11 am
I don't know if it is true but I also read that it was trump staff whipping up the boos to turn the scene into an ugly one.

It is and the whole disgusting mess is on video. Scroll back through the open thread for tonight.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: kartographer on July 21, 2016, 05:31:20 am
Watching the 2016 RNC is akin to watching the WWE.

I actually half expected that when Cruz came out Vince McMahon and three or four WWE wrestlers would jump up on the stage and grab Cruz shave his head and they would make a brunt sacrifice to Trump of it.

I am sure the crowd would have loved it.

The donald will make a excellent Emperor no one knows more about bread and circuses than him.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: GrouchoTex on July 21, 2016, 05:44:31 am
Trump and his people approve the speech. Then, some in the Trump team encourage some in the crowd, especially the New York people to boo and chant "Endorse Trump".
Cruz is trying to be a statesman and Trump is trying to put on a show!
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Chosen Daughter on July 21, 2016, 05:51:37 am
It was so radical of Ted to say "Vote your conscience.  Vote to defend the Constitution."  Do the unmentionalbles even know what they were booing?

I missed the speech so I just went and watched it on youtub Washington Post I think it was.  I thought it was a great speech and he endorsed certain things like a wall and keeping refugee's out from terrorist nations.  I couldn't find a reason to boo.  He didn't fall to his knees and beg  pardon from King Trump.  I thought the speech was awesome.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Frank Cannon on July 21, 2016, 05:53:45 am
WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE

Wouldn't real political suicide be a party nominating a guy who can barely get even in the polls with a woman that America universally hates?
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Vulcan on July 21, 2016, 05:54:12 am
(http://i.imgur.com/NIDMFnm.png)
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Henry Noel on July 21, 2016, 05:55:59 am
I've watching these prez campaigns for over fify years. I've never, ever seen a candidate from either major party call the names, the slander, the insults Trump has called the other Republican candidates. I was hoping Cruz had the character not to cave, and he didn't disappoint me.

That was my hope too. Good to know that Cruz is still a man of principle and stands for the Constitution and the rule of law, not the rule of man. Somebody has to defy the mob, and it appears that Cruz has done it.

He reminds me of the good doctor in Huckleberry Finn who warns the three orphan girls against trusting the two shysters who are trying to rob them of everything they own, and can't get his opinions past the mob:

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"I was your father's friend, and I'm your friend; and I warn you as a friend, and an honest one that wants to protect you and keep you out of harm and trouble, to turn your backs on that scoundrel and have nothing to do with him, the ignorant tramp, with his idiotic Greek and Hebrew, as he calls it.  He is the thinnest kind of an impostor—has come here with a lot of empty names and facts which he picked up somewheres, and you take them for proofs, and are helped to fool yourselves by these foolish friends here, who ought to know better.  Mary Jane Wilks, you know me for your friend, and for your unselfish friend, too.  Now listen to me; turn this pitiful rascal out—I beg you to do it.  Will you?"

Mary Jane straightened herself up, and my, but she was handsome!  She says:

"Here is my answer."  She hove up the bag of money and put it in the king's hands, and says, "Take this six thousand dollars, and invest for me and my sisters any way you want to, and don't give us no receipt for it."

Then she put her arm around the king on one side, and Susan and the hare-lip done the same on the other.  Everybody clapped their hands and stomped on the floor like a perfect storm, whilst the king held up his head and smiled proud.  The doctor says:

"All right; I wash my hands of the matter.  But I warn you all that a time's coming when you're going to feel sick whenever you think of this day." And away he went.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Henry Noel on July 21, 2016, 05:59:58 am
What do they mean when they say "crowd boos"? Do they mean the crowd, as in the crowd or the crowd as in "a faction within the crowd?"
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: WAC on July 21, 2016, 06:04:47 am
Trump and his people approve the speech. Then, some in the Trump team encourage some in the crowd, especially the New York people to boo and chant "Endorse Trump".
Cruz is trying to be a statesman and Trump is trying to put on a show!

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cn3VszyXEAA6cJr.jpg:large)
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Eowyn on July 21, 2016, 06:08:20 am
I supported Cruz and still do not support Trump. I think Cruz should not have shown up in that hall if he was not going to lend more support to the ticket. Maybe he is standing on principle, but what about the principle and honor of signing a pledge and abiding by it because you gave your word?

Only the diehard supporters will think Cruz helped himself tonight.

Cruz did EVERYTHING short of endorsing Trump.  He congratulated Trump on winning the nomination.  He supported conservative principles.  He attacked Hillary.  He told voters to vote for candidates up an down the ticket who will support freedom and defend the constitution.  Not really understanding why Trump had his henchmen whip up the boos or why his supporters are lashing out.  Really, really bad optics.  Cruz did not do ANYTHING wrong, and the Trump team had approved Cruz's speech prior to him taking the stage.  They knew he would not endorse Trump by name, but he did urge voters not to stay home in November and to vote UP and down the ticket!

Trump keeps proving himself to be a narcissistic bleep.  Did he really expect an endorsement from Cruz after the way he maliciously smeared and went after his entire family in the most personal way possible?  I admire Cruz more than ever for refusing to surrender his integrity and honor at the alter of Trumpism.  Trump and the GOP-e, otoh, disgust me! 

Btw, Cruz's speech was the best of the convention so far and his best speech ever, IMO.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: EasyAce on July 21, 2016, 06:09:14 am
A few jewels from That Site Which Shall Not Be Named . . .

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To: Mariner
He’s working for Hillary.


2 posted on 7/20/2016, 7:13:20 PM by JPJones ( You can't help the working class by paying the non-working class.)
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To: Mariner
I supported Cruz monetarily. Tonight he is dead to me. Tonight was his chance to help bring the party together to defeat Hillary but no. He, the Bushes and every other Never Trump people are all dead to me. I can’t and won’t even imagine a Clinton presidency.


12 posted on 7/20/2016, 7:17:03 PM by Edison (I don't know what irks me more, the lying or the incompetence.)
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o: Mariner
Ted, Ted, Ted. What were you thinking? You have forced me to change my Tagline.


25 posted on 7/20/2016, 7:19:04 PM by InterceptPoint (Ted, you should have endorsed. Big mistake.)
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To: Mariner
Ted Cruz is a foreign plant... I am repulsed this man collects a paycheck from we the people. Texans you ought to be ashamed...


31 posted on 7/20/2016, 7:19:58 PM by Just mythoughts (Jesus said Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: Mariner
Go to Hell, Ted, you dishonest, dishonorable scumbag.


35 posted on 7/20/2016, 7:20:56 PM by chris37 (heartless)
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To: ShivaFan; Conservative Gato; Psalm 144; onyx; Jane Long; PA Engineer; Grampa Dave; ...
Cruz spoke a lot about freedom.

Oh that's one of Ted's favorite tricks:

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45 posted on 7/20/2016, 7:23:17 PM by mkjessup (Cruz is an oily crap weasel who sold out to the GOPe and his deluded cultists need to wake-TF up.)
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To: StAntKnee
I wonder how the really dedicated Cruz fans feel about his behavior tonight.

This cruz basta*rd needs to depart Cleveland immediately and get on back to his whores.

46 posted on 7/20/2016, 7:23:33 PM by Mr Apple ( ted cruz and his whores.....just like ole times)
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To: Mariner
Why was this filthy slimebag even allowed in the convention center, let alone allowed to speak!


68 posted on 7/20/2016, 7:27:38 PM by Mr Apple ( TED CRUZ AND HIS WHORES....JUST LIKE 'OLE TIMES)
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To: Edison
I did too. I am baffled. Thought he was a Reagan conservative, where is he now? I am doubting he is even a Christian. “You shall know them by their works.” Ted, why, why did you do this?


97 posted on 7/20/2016, 7:32:09 PM by Fungi (Make America America again.)
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To: Mariner
Cruz supporters for Hillary & Socialist Dictatorship!

Go Hillary Go! Go Socialist Dictatorship!

Cruz gets paid!

(brought to you by Cruz for Socialist Dictatorship)


118 posted on 7/20/2016, 7:34:39 PM by TheNext (Hillary Hurts Children & Women)
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To: jennychase
I actually feel sorry for [Heidi Cruz] as she is not a well person. Having a spiritual and social disease like that as a husband, I can understand why she went off the rails.


149 posted on 7/20/2016, 7:40:39 PM by Psalm 144 (We are at that point, where we stand with Leonidas, or slither with Ephialtes.)
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3451320/posts

Charming people . . .  :banghead:
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Henry Noel on July 21, 2016, 06:10:45 am
If I call your wife a whore will you endorse me for president?

That depends on whether your wife is a whore. I'm pretty sure Cruz's wife isn't.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Henry Noel on July 21, 2016, 06:12:56 am
He told voters to vote for candidates up an down the ticket who will support freedom and defend the constitution. 

With Trump, that's an insult by inference. And "vote your conscience," if taken at face value, hardly does anything for Trump, at least amongst voters with consciences to vote.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: GtHawk on July 21, 2016, 06:15:59 am
That's demonic.
No that's demoncratish, and their all played by their little god who knew well in advance exactly what Cruz was andwas not going to say. Trump makes the obamas and clintons look like amateurs in the vindictive and character assassination departments.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: ABX on July 21, 2016, 06:17:06 am
With Trump, that's an insult by inference. And "vote your conscience," if taken at face value, hardly does anything for Trump, at least amongst voters with consciences to vote.

Stop and think about the fact the GOP is threatened by Cruz telling Republicans to "vote their conscience." Let that one sink in for a moment. For the only reason that would be threatening is you're admitting that a vote for Trump is a violation of conscience.- Steve Deace
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Hoodat on July 21, 2016, 06:17:32 am
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cn3VszyXEAA6cJr.jpg:large)

It is now clear to me that the purpose of this entire RNC campaign is to defeat Conservatism.  Working to defeat Democrats is an afterthought.  Working to defeat liberalism is a non-starter.  We have truly met Orwell's 1984.  Hate Week is upon us.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Frank Cannon on July 21, 2016, 06:20:54 am
A few jewels from That Site Which Shall Not Be Named . . .

What? Gawker is not to be named in threads now? The rules have tightened quite a bit.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: UnwashedPeasant on July 21, 2016, 06:22:24 am
The Great Trumpkin in March:

"No, I don't anymore," Trump said, when asked by CNN's Anderson Cooper if he continued "to pledge to support whoever the Republican nominee is?"

Trump said he has "been treated very unfairly" by the Republican National Committee and party establishment figures. The billionaire front-runner accused rival Cruz of "essentially saying the same thing" in response to a question about the pledge.

Earlier, Cruz had told Cooper when asked the same question: "I'm not in the habit of supporting someone who attacks my wife and my family ... I think nominating Donald Trump would be an absolute trainwreck, I think it would hand the general election to Hillary Clinton."

Trump said Cruz "doesn't need to support me, I have tremendous support right now from the people."

"I don't really want him to do something he's not comfortable with," he said.

Source: http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/29/politics/donald-trump-ted-cruz-nominee-pledge/ (http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/29/politics/donald-trump-ted-cruz-nominee-pledge/)
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-03-30/trump-declares-gop-pledge-null-and-void (http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-03-30/trump-declares-gop-pledge-null-and-void)
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: geronl on July 21, 2016, 06:23:47 am
He told voters to vote for candidates up an down the ticket who will support freedom and defend the constitution.

That is what upset the Trumpquats, Those are the very things they hate the most.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: geronl on July 21, 2016, 06:25:47 am
Trump is a pathetic small-minded man who is very insecure with his stubby fingers.

Of course he was going to try and interrupt Ted's speech, duh!


White Trash and No Class.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: raml on July 21, 2016, 06:27:44 am
Ted is a complete ass hole and the majority at the convention think so. He is so dead in the party he really played it wrong by not honoring his pledge. He is a jerk and to think I once liked him never again though.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: LilLamb on July 21, 2016, 06:30:58 am
It is now clear to me that the purpose of this entire RNC campaign is to defeat Conservatism.  Working to defeat Democrats is an afterthought.  Working to defeat liberalism is a non-starter.  We have truly met Orwell's 1984.  Hate Week is upon us.

Its totally bizarre! We scream for someone to stand up against the GOPe. The nominee is surrounded by and cheered on by the establishment and the one man that stood up against the establishment is booed. Its twilight zone material.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: geronl on July 21, 2016, 06:33:30 am
Ted is a complete ass hole and the majority at the convention think so. He is so dead in the party he really played it wrong by not honoring his pledge. He is a jerk and to think I once liked him never again though.

Trump got 41% of the primary vote, much from cross-over Democrats. A few weeks ago half of Republicans wanted a new candidate.

Trump is a joke. Trump is a laughingstock. Trump makes poop look good.

Ted Cruz remained true to his principles. His haters have no principles.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Hoodat on July 21, 2016, 06:34:03 am
They all backed out March 30, even your Orange Slanderer.  http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/03/30/trump-rescinds-pledge-to-back-republican-nominee-cruz-kasich-refuse-to-commit-support.html


But . . . but . . . but that's different.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: geronl on July 21, 2016, 06:34:26 am
He is so dead in the party he really played it wrong by not honoring his pledge. He is a jerk and to think I once liked him never again though.

Trump was supposed to be anti-establishment but now his supporters hate anti-establishment types. Weird, huh?
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Hoodat on July 21, 2016, 06:37:21 am
Ted is a complete ass hole

OK, let me see if I got this.  For months on end, Donald Trump labels the honorable Ted Cruz as 'Lying Ted', but then after he crossed the threshold for the nomination, Trump openly admits that he has no idea whether Cruz lied or not.  Yet Cruz is the bleep?

You have some whacked out standards there.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Hoodat on July 21, 2016, 06:39:53 am
Trump was supposed to be anti-establishment but now his supporters hate anti-establishment types. Weird, huh?

The hypocrisy of Trump worshipers staggers me.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: JustPassinThru on July 21, 2016, 07:14:08 am
Called him lying Ted one too many times.

Exactly.

Words have consequences.

Actions have consequences.

After you've gotten over your temper and sobered up...you can't un-burn-down your neighbor's barn.

This is indicative of, and symbolic of, the chaos that the new Republican Hero, a Tammany graft-channeler and interface between the Democrat Machine and out-of-town developers...this is indicative of the chaos to come.

It will not end well - and I take no joy in this.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: geronl on July 21, 2016, 07:20:01 am
The fact that so many Trumpquats would react to "Vote Your Conscience" like a vampire to a cross tells me they already know Trump is a scumbag.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Eowyn on July 21, 2016, 07:22:24 am
Exactly.

Words have consequences.

Actions have consequences.

After you've gotten over your temper and sobered up...you can't un-burn-down your neighbor's barn.

This is indicative of, and symbolic of, the chaos that the new Republican Hero, a Tammany graft-channeler and interface between the Democrat Machine and out-of-town developers...this is indicative of the chaos to come.

It will not end well - and I take no joy in this.


Me either.  Trump has pretty much guaranteed the election of Hillary Clinton and deeply divided the Republican Party (which I suspect was his game plan all along).  The GOP may lose in another 2008 like massive landslide.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: geronl on July 21, 2016, 07:25:31 am
Me either.  Trump has pretty much guaranteed the election of Hillary Clinton and deeply divided the Republican Party (which I suspect was his game plan all along).  The GOP may lose in another 2008 like massive landslide.

I remember that.... I remember it as: "Obama is a good man, he'll be a good President, we have nothing to fear from Barack Obama"

McCain all but endorsed Obama days or weeks before the election.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: bob434 on July 21, 2016, 07:25:49 am
ted would have been bad mouthed no matter what he did- if he didn't go he'd be bad mouthed and called every filthy name in the book for not supporting trump- If he did go and support trump- He'd be bad mouthed and called every filthy name in the book and called a turn coat politician- hypocrite- untrustworthy by his supporters- if he went and subtly said to support trump like he did tonight- He'd be bad mouthed and called every name in the book- Hell- fox news was bashing him days ago for being a hypocrite for even accepting the invite to speak- then when he did speak they bashed him for not mentioning trump enough-

Ted was in a no win situation- no matter what he chose, he was going to be bashed by nearly everyone- My bet is that he feels trump is goign to self destruct if elected president, and he didn't want to regret fully endorsing him like so many others have- Ted made the case that his supporter NEED to vote to defeat the democrat because so much is at stake- even newt who is a full on trump supporter recognized that is what Ted accomplished- while still trying to get out as unscathed as possible- believe me, had he fully endorsed trump all his supporters would have excoriated him-

Take a look at 'therightscoop dot com' they are never trumps- and the country is full of folks like that- and they would have never forgiven him had he fully endorsed trump- Like i said- there was no way out but this course of action for him- Trump heard ted's speech before hand and didn't object- Ted did exactly what he needed to- He told his supporters to vote so that the democrat doesn't win- that is all he had to do and could do and still be able to save face at least soemwhat-
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: geronl on July 21, 2016, 07:36:32 am

Trumps people arranged the booing beforehand. Trump entered the convention center during the speech in an attempt to interrupt it.

Trump is a small and petulant turd.

Ted Cruz did exactly what his supporters thought he would do and wanted him to do.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: JustPassinThru on July 21, 2016, 07:49:08 am
The fact that so many Trumpquats would react to "Vote Your Conscience" like a vampire to a cross tells me they already know Trump is a scumbag.

It's the response of a cultist.

A person sold on the ideas and proposals of a candidate, will try to persuade others.

A cultist, who thinks he and his, alone, have been blessed with Truth...will try to strong-arm and order others to behave as they just-know others must.

I saw a lot of this in the Ron Paul cult years ago.  Before that...remember Lyndon LaRouche?  Crackpot perennial Presidential candidate.  Basically ran a secular Moonie-type organization.  His spaced-out kids would set up tables in airports and county fairs, hook them with a Reaganesque opening line, and then get going like a used-car salesman.

But the Paulbots were the worst.  "The ONLY ONE...who can SAVE US!  Oh, if only you people would just VOTE for him!"

I'm waiting for God the Donald to give me reasons.  They don't seem forthcoming.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Vulcan on July 21, 2016, 08:00:45 am
Me either.  Trump has pretty much guaranteed the election of Hillary Clinton and deeply divided the Republican Party (which I suspect was his game plan all along).  The GOP may lose in another 2008 like massive landslide.

I believe the orange New York liberal is in it to help Hillary win.  And will with assistance from his horde of gullible followers he will accomplish that goal.

Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: geronl on July 21, 2016, 08:04:21 am
It's the response of a cultist.

I'm waiting for God the Donald to give me reasons.  They don't seem forthcoming.

You are exactly right.

and Welcome to the forum!!
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: geronl on July 21, 2016, 08:04:53 am
I believe the orange New York liberal is in it to help Hillary win.  And will with assistance from his horde of gullible followers he will accomplish that goal.

and some of have thought so since day one, so far there is nothing that says otherwise
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Henry Noel on July 21, 2016, 08:14:03 am
and some of have thought so since day one, so far there is nothing that says otherwise

I've been saying this to my wife for months, and she refuses to believe it, because it seems so damned incredible. And of course it is, in the context of what this country used to be.


And let me add that in the past few days all I've seen from the Trump side of things is a rather determined attempt to further divide the party.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: geronl on July 21, 2016, 08:17:16 am

And let me add that in the past few days all I've seen from the Trump side of things is a rather determined attempt to further divide the party.

 :amen:
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: txradioguy on July 21, 2016, 08:22:25 am
Reagan endorsed Ford in 1976 and won Potus in 1980.

Cruz withheld endorsing tonight, and it will no be forgotten. It is a symbol of political judgment.

Reagan did no such thing.  You need to Google search the speech and you see what you just said is wrong 
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: DB on July 21, 2016, 08:25:44 am
OK, let me see if I got this.  For months on end, Donald Trump labels the honorable Ted Cruz as 'Lying Ted', but then after he crossed the threshold for the nomination, Trump openly admits that he has no idea whether Cruz lied or not.  Yet Cruz is the bleep?

You have some whacked out standards there.

The truth is I was fearful Cruz would cave into Trump's convention demands because he's in an impossible spot and because he's a politician. He pleasantly surprised me. Funny how the GOPe wanted the small government constitutionalist out of the party... It looks like they've succeeded. Even funnier that TOS's "conservatives" are happily part of that purge when that's what they claimed they were for nearly two decades...

At least the cards are on the table in plain view now. There are no excuses for not knowing what's coming.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: txradioguy on July 21, 2016, 08:26:56 am
If I call your wife a whore will you endorse me for president?

Better yet if I say you commit serial adultery and that your dad was part of the plot to kill a President will you campaign for me?
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 21, 2016, 08:44:21 am
Reagan endorsed Ford in 1976 and won Potus in 1980.

Cruz withheld endorsing tonight, and it will no be forgotten. It is a symbol of political judgment.
Ford didn't attack Nancy. Ford didn't attack Reagans dad. Ford didn't call Reagan a liar throughout the campaign. Need I go on?
Cruz kept it about the Constitution, freedom, and America. He set the bar for the Donny to jump over, but didn't get personal.
He congratulated Trump on his victory right at the start, which was more than Trump deserved, imho, and if he had endorsed him, well, he'd have just joined all the GOPe suckbutts who lined up to kiss the Donald's whatever he is bleeding out of because Cruz didn't endorse him.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: geronl on July 21, 2016, 08:50:30 am
One of the most common profile pictures among my Facebook friends is below.

That and all the Ted Cruz supporting logo's and images.

These people are all conservative and many are Christians and they have no good reason to vote for Trump.



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Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: TomSea on July 21, 2016, 09:02:52 am
Ford didn't attack Nancy. Ford didn't attack Reagans dad. Ford didn't call Reagan a liar throughout the campaign. Need I go on?
Cruz kept it about the Constitution, freedom, and America. He set the bar for the Donny to jump over, but didn't get personal.
He congratulated Trump on his victory right at the start, which was more than Trump deserved, imho, and if he had endorsed him, well, he'd have just joined all the GOPe suckbutts who lined up to kiss the Donald's whatever he is bleeding out of because Cruz didn't endorse him.
(http://drrichswier.com/wp-content/uploads/trump-cruz-thumbs-up-630x354.jpg)

Cruz wasn't a expletive deleted?? Good one. He was one from the beginning.

He was buddy buddy with Trump for the longest time though Trump is said to be liberal, Cruz allowed the perception the two were very similar.

Cruz talked about all those things, I've heard it on Rush Limbaugh for 25 years.



Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: TomSea on July 21, 2016, 09:04:27 am
Cruz campaign did that to Ben Carson, the mailers that looked like official business telling people they had not been voting with names on it. Got loans from Goldman Sachs.

One can have loyalty to the party, I've supported Romney and McCain but didn't vote for them in the primary.

Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: geronl on July 21, 2016, 09:08:01 am


Trump is also buddy-buddy with Hillary and Bill Clinton, full of praise for Obama and favored eliminated borders in 2013.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: geronl on July 21, 2016, 09:09:41 am
Cruz campaign did that to Ben Carson, the mailers that looked like official business telling people they had not been voting with names on it. Got loans from Goldman Sachs.

One can have loyalty to the party, I've supported Romney and McCain but didn't vote for them in the primary.

Cruz did nothing to Carson. Trump called him a psycho child molester on national live television and destroyed the Carson campaign.

Trump is a shareholder in Goldman Sachs, he is going to get half his cabinet from the Council on Foreign Relations too.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: TomSea on July 21, 2016, 09:11:28 am
(http://i.imgur.com/NIDMFnm.png)
New to politics?
(http://drrichswier.com/wp-content/uploads/trump-cruz-thumbs-up-630x354.jpg)

Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: TomSea on July 21, 2016, 09:13:01 am
One can say Cruz doesn't even compare to Mike Pence per an accomplished career and following the constitution at that.

Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: DB on July 21, 2016, 09:17:35 am
(http://drrichswier.com/wp-content/uploads/trump-cruz-thumbs-up-630x354.jpg)

Cruz wasn't a expletive deleted?? Good one.

He was buddy buddy with Trump for the longest time though Trump is said to be liberal, Cruz allowed the perception the two were very similar.

Cruz talked about all those things, I've heard it on Rush Limbaugh for 25 years.

Posting that picture as evidence is moronic. Shall I post the pictures of Trump being "buddy buddy" with the Clintons??? As wedding guests? Playing golf with Bill repeatedly? And how about the hundreds of thousands of dollars he's given the Clintons to further Bill and Hillary's evil causes. Those are facts and actual deeds done by your guy and provide a very specific "perception" to anyone who is honest about it.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: TomSea on July 21, 2016, 09:22:25 am
(http://drrichswier.com/wp-content/uploads/trump-cruz-thumbs-up-630x354.jpg)

Oh, yes, Cruz really stood up against Trump.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: TomSea on July 21, 2016, 09:26:36 am
Posting that picture as evidence is moronic. Shall I post the pictures of Trump being "buddy buddy" with the Clintons??? As wedding guests? Playing golf with Bill repeatedly? And how about the hundreds of thousands of dollars he's given the Clintons to further Bill and Hillary's evil causes. Those are facts and actual deeds done by your guy and provide a very specific "perception" to anyone who is honest about it.

If posting it is moronic it must appeal to the bullying cry baby Cruz dis-loyalists. Sure, post whatever one wants. Everyone has seen them.

Again, I'm loyal to the party, if the 25% of Cruz red meat supporters and I'm one myself can ever stay away from false remarks, I'd call it a personal attack since it is a lie to say "my guy". I've had it with Anti-Romneyites and Anti-Trumpites.


Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: ScottinVA on July 21, 2016, 09:27:47 am
Reagan endorsed Ford in 1976 and won Potus in 1980.


No.. he did not.  Reagan calle for unity, but did not endorse Ford.

There was no more endorsement of Ford in Reagan's speech than there was of Trump in Cruz' remarks last night.

----

Thank you very much. Mr. President, Mrs. Ford, Mr. Vice President, Mr. Vice President to be — the distinguished guests here, and you ladies and gentlemen: I am going to say fellow Republicans here, but also those who are watching from a distance, all of those millions of Democrats and Independents who I know are looking for a cause around which to rally and which I believe we can give them.

Mr. President, before you arrived tonight, these wonderful people here when we came in gave Nancy and myself a welcome. That, plus this, and plus your kindness and generosity in honoring us by bringing us down here will give us a memory that will live in our hearts forever.

Watching on television these last few nights, and I have seen you also with the warmth that you greeted Nancy, and you also filled my heart with joy when you did that.

May I just say some words. There are cynics who say that a party platform is something that no one bothers to read and it doesn’t very often amount to much.

Whether it is different this time than it has ever been before, I believe the Republican Party has a platform that is a banner of bold, unmistakable colors, with no pastel shades.

We have just heard a call to arms based on that platform, and a call to us to really be successful in communicating and reveal to the American people the difference between this platform and the platform of the opposing party, which is nothing but a revamp and a reissue and a running of a late, late show of the thing that we have been hearing from them for the last 40 years.

If I could just take a moment; I had an assignment the other day. Someone asked me to write a letter for a time capsule that is going to be opened in Los Angeles a hundred years from now, on our Tricentennial.

It sounded like an easy assignment. They suggested I write something about the problems and the issues today. I set out to do so, riding down the coast in an automobile, looking at the blue Pacific out on one side and the Santa Ynez Mountains on the other, and I couldn’t help but wonder if it was going to be that beautiful a hundred years from now as it was on that summer day.

Then as I tried to write — let your own minds turn to that task. You are going to write for people a hundred years from now, who know all about us. We know nothing about them. We don’t know what kind of a world they will be living in.

And suddenly I thought to myself if I write of the problems, they will be the domestic problems the President spoke of here tonight; the challenges confronting us, the erosion of freedom that has taken place under Democratic rule in this country, the invasion of private rights, the controls and restrictions on the vitality of the great free economy that we enjoy. These are our challenges that we must meet.

And then again there is that challenge of which he spoke that we live in a world in which the great powers have poised and aimed at each other horrible missiles of destruction, nuclear weapons that can in a matter of minutes arrive at each other’s country and destroy, virtually, the civilized world we live in.

And suddenly it dawned on me, those who would read this letter a hundred years from now will know whether those missiles were fired. They will know whether we met our challenge. Whether they have the freedoms that we have known up until now will depend on what we do here.

Will they look back with appreciation and say, “Thank God for those people in 1976 who headed off that loss of freedom, who kept us now 100 years later free, who kept our world from nuclear destruction”?

And if we failed, they probably won’t get to read the letter at all because it spoke of individual freedom, and they won’t be allowed to talk of that or read of it.

This is our challenge; and this is why here in this hall tonight, better than we have ever done before, we have got to quit talking to each other and about each other and go out and communicate to the world that we may be fewer in numbers than we have ever been, but we carry the message they are waiting for.

We must go forth from here united, determined that what a great general said a few years ago is true: There is no substitute for victory, Mr. President.

Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: DB on July 21, 2016, 09:28:24 am
(http://drrichswier.com/wp-content/uploads/trump-cruz-thumbs-up-630x354.jpg)

Oh, yes, Cruz really stood up against Trump.

Here's your bud standing up to Hillary - his mortal enemy and all... Since pictures seem to mean so much to you...
(http://img2.timeinc.net/people/i/2016/news/160314/donald-hillary-800.jpg)
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: ScottinVA on July 21, 2016, 09:29:52 am
One can say Cruz doesn't even compare to Mike Pence per an accomplished career and following the constitution at that.

Against a successful governor such as Pence, NO senator or congressman can.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: DB on July 21, 2016, 09:31:28 am
If posting it is moronic it must appeal to the bullying cry baby Cruz dis-loyalists. Sure, post whatever one wants. Everyone has seen them.

Again, I'm loyal to the party, if the 25% of Cruz red meat supporters and I'm one myself can ever stay away from false remarks, I'd call it a personal attack since it is a lie to say "my guy". I've had it with Anti-Romneyites and Anti-Trumpites.

Perhaps you should try being loyal to at least some principles over party. And this is for you:
(http://img2.timeinc.net/people/i/2016/news/160314/donald-hillary-800.jpg)
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: TomSea on July 21, 2016, 09:36:34 am
Post all one wants, ad hom Cruz rabid dogs are doing so all day, using languages like "suck ass" though Cruz was out on the campaign trail with Trump; I didn't see the Clintons on the campaign trail with Trump.  Cruz associated with Trump so at the least, this seems to say Cruz has bad judgement too, in such manners. Yes, there is a difference.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: geronl on July 21, 2016, 09:37:43 am
One can say Cruz doesn't even compare to Mike Pence per an accomplished career and following the constitution at that.

Are you drunk?
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: DB on July 21, 2016, 09:38:30 am
I'd call it a personal attack since it is a lie to say "my guy".

Classic.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: geronl on July 21, 2016, 09:39:19 am
Trumpquats are the sorest "winners" in history.

Their candidate is a liar without equal
He flip flops on every issue
He has NO principles
He is friends and pals with the Clintons

So bitter, so envious of those who have real conservative principles
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Hoodat on July 21, 2016, 09:39:58 am
(http://drrichswier.com/wp-content/uploads/trump-cruz-thumbs-up-630x354.jpg)

Cruz wasn't a expletive deleted?? Good one. He was one from the beginning.

He was buddy buddy with Trump for the longest time though Trump is said to be liberal, Cruz allowed the perception the two were very similar.

As long as we're posting pics .  .  .
(http://highlighthollywood.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/trump_clinton-1024x662.jpg)

Shall I pull up the quotes where Trump remarked on what a good job Hillary was doing as Secretary of State?
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: geronl on July 21, 2016, 09:40:16 am
Never Trump, now more than ever

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/438092/republican-convention-why-never-trump-movement-still-matters
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: DB on July 21, 2016, 09:42:03 am
As long as we're posting pics .  .  .

Dang, yours is bigger than mine...
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Hoodat on July 21, 2016, 09:42:30 am
No.. he did not.  Reagan calle for unity, but did not endorse Ford.

There was no more endorsement of Ford in Reagan's speech than there was of Trump in Cruz' remarks last night.

----
.  .  .  .

Ted Cruz showed as much class as Reagan did in 1976.  I give it a month before Trump supporters begin bashing Reagan just to defend Trump.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: geronl on July 21, 2016, 09:43:50 am
Ted Cruz showed as much class as Reagan did in 1976.  I give it a month before Trump supporters begin bashing Reagan just to defend Trump.

They have already been doing that now and then
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: TomSea on July 21, 2016, 09:44:35 am
No, nobody is drunk.  Sober as can be.

People say their words in threads, even in totally unrelated posts squeezing words in about Trump.

I am loyal.

And though it is not the majority of them,  a good number of anti-Trumpers, maybe 25% have dissed at others on a personal basis; they are asking for it when this happens.

I'm not seeing pro-Trumpers going after people personally and really on a routine basis and name calling. Post all the photos one wants or make whatever remarks one wants.

Even if one is for loyalty or unity in the party,  if people are slighted just for that position, they are going to be much more vocal to such injustice.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Hoodat on July 21, 2016, 09:45:36 am
Never Trump, now more than ever

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/438092/republican-convention-why-never-trump-movement-still-matters

I once had a whole  bag full of 'Nixon Now, More than Ever' buttons.  Wish I still had them.  They would make great backdrops for 'Never Trump'.
(http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NjI5WDkwMA==/z/p5UAAOxy66pRrn~L/$%28KGrHqUOKpYFGVzB9PIVBRrn+Ljlfw~~60_35.JPG)
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: TomSea on July 21, 2016, 09:47:38 am
If Cruz was so conservative, what's he doing rallying with Trump??

That's the point, the Cruz steamroller's propaganda.

You can't have it both ways.

Cruz campaigned with Trump because their causes were similar to all of a sudden say Cruz is conservative, Trump is not.

Sure, post pictures of Trump from 5 years ago if one must.

It shouldn't squelch conversation that this with Cruz is very recent.

Trump picked a true conservative as Vice President, Trump has supported Law and Order and so on.

Yes, Trump has flip-flopped on abortion but he never signed into law an abortion bill.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: TomSea on July 21, 2016, 09:50:28 am
It's circular really, Cruz worked for the Bushes, Bushes are Clintons friends, in fact, they called them family.

I think the arguments should be balanced.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Mechanicos on July 21, 2016, 09:53:12 am
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f204/kent18/radical%20cruzlims_zpsktbqfjm4.jpg)
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: plewis1250 on July 21, 2016, 10:07:47 am
The only worship going on is by the Trump folks.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: ScottinVA on July 21, 2016, 10:59:42 am
Post all one wants, ad hom Cruz rabid dogs are doing so all day, using languages like "suck ass" though Cruz was out on the campaign trail with Trump; I didn't see the Clintons on the campaign trail with Trump.  Cruz associated with Trump so at the least, this seems to say Cruz has bad judgement too, in such manners. Yes, there is a difference.

They don't need to appear with Trump.  Trump's gaffes, missteps and other stumbles will be all the help Hillary needs. 
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Mechanicos on July 21, 2016, 11:01:11 am
Now for the truth.
Some are saying in here that Trump saw the speech Cru gave and set him up. The Fact is Cruz went off script of the speech he showed Trump. Here is the part of the speech Cruz said he was going to say:
(http://i.imgur.com/O4HSXhB.jpg)

Trump and team were ready if he did based on similar tricks during the Primary and had a contingency plan in place.
So stop blaming Trump for Cruz lying about what he was going to say.

This is why some of the Texas delegates, Donors etc were  so mad and upset with Cruz. He lied about what he was going to say.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: ScottinVA on July 21, 2016, 11:03:53 am
It's circular really, Cruz worked for the Bushes, Bushes are Clintons friends, in fact, they called them family.

I think the arguments should be balanced.

Balance this argument: Ted Cruz would never go on a Sunday talk show and praise Hillary Clinton, nor would he donate to her campaign.  And sure as hell she would never be invited to his wedding.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: ConstitutionRose on July 21, 2016, 11:05:50 am
(http://drrichswier.com/wp-content/uploads/trump-cruz-thumbs-up-630x354.jpg)

Cruz wasn't a expletive deleted?? Good one. He was one from the beginning.

He was buddy buddy with Trump for the longest time though Trump is said to be liberal, Cruz allowed the perception the two were very similar.

Cruz talked about all those things, I've heard it on Rush Limbaugh for 25 years.

Cruz just avoided a fight with Trump for awhile.  If I had been a candidate I would have done likewise.  Early on many believed Trump wasn't serious.  Why engage with him and his nastiness.  It certainly didn't add anything to the debate.  Did nothing to enhance the message.  Trump was all personal insults and "look at me I am the greatest".  Cruz merely kept a polite distance.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Mechanicos on July 21, 2016, 11:10:14 am
Balance this argument: Ted Cruz would never go on a Sunday talk show and praise Hillary Clinton, nor would he donate to her campaign.  And sure as hell she would never be invite to his wedding.
Actually he did via his law firm that hes a senior partner at. 
http://www.texasinsider.org/ted-cruz%E2%80%99s-law-firm-backed-obama-other-national-democrat-campaigns/
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Nickname on July 21, 2016, 11:24:20 am
Ted is a complete ass hole and the majority at the convention think so. He is so dead in the party he really played it wrong by not honoring his pledge. He is a jerk and to think I once liked him never again though.

Yes! This!

Honorable men mock the disabled.
Honorable men attack women for their looks.
Honorable men use their power of wealth and connections to take the property of the humble and weak.
Honorable men praise organizations that take the lives of the unborn.
Honorable men call others bleep, pedophiles, losers, liars, assassins.
Honorable men praise and financially support progressive politicians.
Honorable men bilk the gullible through sham businesses selling false promises.

Ted Cruz didn't kiss the ring of the honorable Donald Trump. What an ass. Total jerk.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Gov Bean Counter on July 21, 2016, 11:26:53 am
It was so radical of Ted to say "Vote your conscience.  Vote to defend the Constitution."  Do the unmentionalbles even know what they were booing?

Since when did "Vote your conscience" become an anti-Trump dog whistle?
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Mod1 on July 21, 2016, 11:29:27 am
This thread will be moved to Politics and merged with the other thread on the exact same topic.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Mechanicos on July 21, 2016, 11:29:47 am
Since when did "Vote your conscience" become an anti-Trump dog whistle?
Since the speech Cruz gave the convention said he was going to say  "we must support the Trump-Pence ticket"
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: mountaineer on July 21, 2016, 11:31:18 am
If you take Cruz saying 'vote your values' as not endorsing Trump - you admit Trump does not follow your values.
Indeed.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Just_Victor on July 21, 2016, 11:39:24 am
Indeed.

Sad fact of the matter for Trump, is that if Cruz shows up on the first Tuesday in November and votes a straight party ticket (which I am confident he will do), he has supported Trump and kept his promise to do so.


But it's very telling of Trump and his supporters that they keep telling us that we have to support their candidate because defeating Hillary is the ultimate goal.  And yet their focus is completely on Ted Cruz and other Republicans who aren't particularly enthusiastic about Trump.  I think I can see who their real enemy is.

Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Hank Rearden on July 21, 2016, 11:50:18 am
So you're saying Cruz does not love America because he has declined to endorse the man who called him a liar, made fun of his wife's appearance, and implied Cruz's dad helped assassinate JFK.

Delusional.  ****sheep****
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: mountaineer on July 21, 2016, 11:53:26 am
For Conservatives, the 2016 Election is Already Lost
By:Jeremy Boreing
July 20, 2016
EXCERPTED
Quote
For American conservatives who believe in Judeo-Christian values, Free Market Capitalism and Classical Liberalism, the 2016 election is already lost.

On the one hand, we have the Democrat candidate, Hillary Clinton, who is perhaps the most corrupt figure ever to seek the presidency.   ...

On the other hand, we have as the Republican nominee one of Mrs. Clinton’s financial supporters – has that ever happened before? – a man who actually sought Mrs. Clinton’s husband’s advice about whether or not to run in the first place (and received a positive recommendation, by the way). Like Mrs. Clinton, Donald Trump is a serial liar and self-promoter but with the added benefit of being a litigious, boorish vulgarian who boasts about bedding married women, plays footsies with overt racists, praises dictators, promotes conspiracy theories, suggests that Ted Cruz’s father may have plotted to assassinate John F. Kennedy and echoes the worst slander of George Soros that “Bush lied; people died.”

 To the extent that he has any ideological motive beneath his soaring self-regard, it is too obscure to make out, but all signs point to so decidedly a European right-wing (read, nationalist left-wing) bent that it all but ensures the final destruction of what remains of our constitutional republic in favor of an authoritarian state.

While Mr. Trump may have some utility in the fight against political correctness, actual correctness has also been a casualty of his campaign.  ...
Read the rest at Daily Wire (http://www.dailywire.com/news/7639/conservatives-2016-election-already-lost-jeremy-boreing?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_content=062316-news&utm_campaign=benshapiro).
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Hank Rearden on July 21, 2016, 11:54:07 am
Since when did "Vote your conscience" become an anti-Trump dog whistle?

When you have to hold your nose, disregard your conscience, and vote for him as the lesser of two evils to prevent Hildabeast from assuming the throne.

If the vote was on conscience, it would be a third party vote for someone who has no chance of winning or staying home rather than casting a ballot for either the GOP or Dimwit nominee.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Hank Rearden on July 21, 2016, 11:56:09 am
For Conservatives, the 2016 Election is Already Lost

It's all about damage control at this point with the hope that what remains of the republic survives until January 2021.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: WAC on July 21, 2016, 11:58:44 am
...............  defeating Hillary is the ultimate goal..........

Well.....it will be one or the other, a win or loose Presidential race between Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton at this juncture in the election cycle... Every thing else is past or hindsight.

Obvious the reason folks are talking Cruz is because of the events last night and how each is perceiving the happening.....and the media certainly pushed the idea , all day on every news cycle, of would or not Cruz endorse Trump.  Pence became an after thought before he even came onto the stage to be  officially introduced as VP.  ...which should have been the focus as it has in past Conventions.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Mechanicos on July 21, 2016, 12:01:57 pm
Ted Cruz wows the crowd last night ...
(http://i67.tinypic.com/k0n028.gif)
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on July 21, 2016, 12:04:13 pm
@truth_seeker

I may be wrong,but I think this will help him politically in the future. It shows him to be a man of character. Someone that will stick with what they think is right even if it is unpopular at the time.

ANY fool can join a mob.

It had nothing to do with "joining a mob".  It proves, yet again, Ted Cruz is incapable of being a team player, of fighting for a greater good outside his personal ambitions---and everything he has done this year, including last night, is about him--first, last and always.

The people have proven they can embrace someone who has lost an election, but not a sore loser.  Last night Cruz proved he's the loser whose self-interest is above the country's in such a deliberate and obvious way at the moment we are fighting for our survival.

If the Republicans lose in November, he now carries the stain.  If the Republicans win in November, he will be marginalized even more than he is now.  The reported smartest man in the room has proved he is not.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 21, 2016, 12:07:09 pm
I once had a whole  bag full of 'Nixon Now, More than Ever' buttons.  Wish I still had them.  They would make great backdrops for 'Never Trump'.
(http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NjI5WDkwMA==/z/p5UAAOxy66pRrn~L/$%28KGrHqUOKpYFGVzB9PIVBRrn+Ljlfw~~60_35.JPG)
I have been wearing one of those on my hat since the primaries started!
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 21, 2016, 12:10:38 pm
Post all one wants, ad hom Cruz rabid dogs are doing so all day, using languages like "suck ass" though Cruz was out on the campaign trail with Trump; I didn't see the Clintons on the campaign trail with Trump.  Cruz associated with Trump so at the least, this seems to say Cruz has bad judgement too, in such manners. Yes, there is a difference.
You can't even get a simple quote right. I said "suckbutt" implying ass kisser. I did not say "suck ass" Get it right or go home, troll.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Mechanicos on July 21, 2016, 12:16:28 pm
We watched Ted Cruz’s political career die tonight, by the end of the speech his most ardent supporters in the Texas delegation were booing him. He may not even be able to get reelected to the Senate after this...
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Jazzhead on July 21, 2016, 12:23:37 pm
It had nothing to do with "joining a mob".  It proves, yet again, Ted Cruz is incapable of being a team player, of fighting for a greater good outside his personal ambitions---and everything he has done this year, including last night, is about him--first, last and always.

The people have proven they can embrace someone who has lost an election, but not a sore loser.  Last night Cruz proved he's the loser whose self-interest is above the country's in such a deliberate and obvious way at the moment we are fighting for our survival.

If the Republicans lose in November, he now carries the stain.  If the Republicans win in November, he will be marginalized even more than he is now.  The reported smartest man in the room has proved he is not.

Respectfully, RIV, that's ridiculous.    Cruz didn't urge anyone not to vote for Trump.   He made clear in stark terms the stakes this election, and urged all who were listening to get out and vote in November, up and down the ticket.  And Cruz unequivocally endorsed Trump's major themes of keeping dangerous immigrants out and building "the wall".


As much as you'd like to think it so,  it is no diss of Trump or anyone else to urge all Americans to vote their consciences.  You're voting your conscience, aren't you?   Why shouldn't we all?   

You can't dismiss the reality that Trump treated Cruz and his family very badly during the primaries.   Cruz did everything a reasonable man could be expected to do in his speech - he spoke not one bad word about the Republican nominee,  and made exactly the kind of pitch  - a passionate apologia for liberty- centric and opportunity-centric government - that can and will unify the party, if only the Trumpsters will let it .

The Trumpsters who booed Cruz are fools,  but perhaps Trump himself is not.   He should be MAGNANIMOUS in victory tonight, and should specifically thank  Cruz for articulating so well the values that animate the Republican party.   He should even consider recognizing the bad blood between them,  and apologize for dissing Cruz's wife and dad.   If he does that, he'll likely unify the party.   If he doesn't,  and proves yet again that it's all about him,  then Hillary can start measuring the drapes.     
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: sneakypete on July 21, 2016, 12:24:28 pm
That is what upset the Trumpquats, Those are the very things they hate the most.

@geronl

Of course freedom scares them.  They know they are too stupid to think or care for themselves,and that's why they pick a cult figure to fall behind  and support. That way no matter what goes wrong in their lives,it's not THEIR fault because they are just following orders.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: sneakypete on July 21, 2016, 12:27:31 pm
Ted is a complete ass hole and the majority at the convention think so. He is so dead in the party he really played it wrong by not honoring his pledge. He is a jerk and to think I once liked him never again though.

@raml

Being dead to a party that blindly supports a narcissistic sociopath is a GOOD thing
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: sneakypete on July 21, 2016, 12:32:18 pm
The fact that so many Trumpquats would react to "Vote Your Conscience" like a vampire to a cross tells me they already know Trump is a scumbag.

@geronl

Yeah,but he is THEIR scumbag.

"MY team! MY team,Sis,Boomb,Bah!
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: oldmomster on July 21, 2016, 12:33:31 pm
  Cruz didn't urge anyone not to vote for Trump.   He made clear in stark terms the stakes this election, and urged all who were listening to get out and vote in November, up and down the ticket.  And Cruz unequivocally endorsed Trump's major themes of keeping dangerous immigrants out and building "the wall".
   

Ted Cruz and John Kasich said - on stage in front of millions - that they would endorse Donald Trump if he was the nominee. 

They are liars, pure and simple.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/07/flashback-ted-cruz-promises-national-tv-endorse-donald-trump-video/
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: wolfcreek on July 21, 2016, 12:37:00 pm
Over dramatization in the original article; but....

I'm sure Cruz will be okay, even if Trump loses, he will be the figurehead leader a la Romney?

Cruz will do just fine. I'm loyal to the party and not to Cruz or Trump. Trump is the nominee, Cruz has reasons to hold back his endorsement.

Cruz's campaign was not angelic either, they had the mailers, the incident in Iowa with Carson and Cruz was buddy buddy with Trump when it suited him.

IIRC the promise was to 'support' the nominee not, to actually 'endorse' them. [so there's that]

 I've lost a lot of respect for the candidate I voted for in the primary. IMO, he screwed the pooch.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: wolfcreek on July 21, 2016, 12:41:50 pm
(http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m13/geronl/WHITETRASH_zps6jksqly1.png)


Reagan did not endorse Ford in 1976 unless you hire a very liberal interpreter.

"Vote your conscience" is as close as Ted could have come without compromising his principles.

Tell us about your existence, Geron? Let's make a judgement on whether you're white trash or not. [been called White trash myself]

Remember; it takes one to know one.

Sounds like something Obama would say.

Come on, don't be shy.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Jazzhead on July 21, 2016, 12:43:00 pm
Ted Cruz and John Kasich said - on stage in front of millions - that they would endorse Donald Trump if he was the nominee. 

They are liars, pure and simple.

If that's how you want to play it, then go on, lose your damn election.   You'd rather lose,  wouldn't you?   

Cruz gave a terrific speech about what animates conservatives,  making clear the stakes, and urging everyone to vote. 

But you'd rather defend your Donald's precious ego.   Use your head for something other than a hatrack.   Cruz's speech can and should have unified the party - but the Trumpsters just won't let it. 

Go on the Trumpster live thread from yesterday if you don't believe me.  The Trumpsters were loving Cruz's speech - he didn't say ONE CRITICAL WORD about the nominee - but then the posts changed on a dime when it became clear that Cruz wouldn't do the one little act of fealty you all insisted on.    He said Vote your Conscience, not Vote for Trump.

Trump's supporters are fools.   All they've got is their anger, and even in victory they won't let it go.   

Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: sinkspur on July 21, 2016, 12:43:29 pm
IIRC the promise was to 'support' the nominee not, to actually 'endorse' them. [so there's that]

 I've lost a lot of respect for the candidate I voted for in the primary. IMO, he screwed the pooch.

Nah.  If Trump loses, Cruz will look like the guy who took the keys away from a drunk driver.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: sinkspur on July 21, 2016, 12:45:07 pm
Brad Thor ‏@BradThor  5h5 hours ago
Brad Thor Retweeted The Hill
Ginning up the boos, staging his walk-in.. This is Wrestlemania from a cheap, two-bit conman. And the rubes love it.

Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: sinkspur on July 21, 2016, 12:45:54 pm
Allahpundit ‏@allahpundit  23m23 minutes ago
Raucous boos for the idea of following your conscience is as perfect a snapshot of this political moment as I can imagine
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: wolfcreek on July 21, 2016, 12:47:41 pm
The Trump campaign approved the speech, then planned the boos. 

He had no obligation to endorse Trump.  That pledge was stupid and anybody who thinks Trump would have supported it is smoking something.  Everybody KNEW Cruz wasn't going to endorse, so all this angst is really funny to me.

I think Cruz did help himself.  And Trump won't be able to resist trashing Cruz tomorrow night, which is exactly the reaction Cruz likely wants.

Wow, Ted Cruz got booed off the stage, didn't honor the pledge! I saw his speech two hours early but let him speak anyway. No big deal!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) July 21, 2016

Not exactly 'approved'
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 21, 2016, 12:48:57 pm
Tell us about your existence, Geron? Let's make a judgement on whether you're white trash or not.

Remember; it takes one to know one.

Come on, don't be shy.
Actually, one doesn't have to be white trash to know it when one sees it. As a rule, the more real class one has, the more obvious it is. Being white trash has nothing to do with money, although we used to call the moneyed white trash 'nouveau riche'.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: wolfcreek on July 21, 2016, 12:49:17 pm
Nah.  If Trump loses, Cruz will look like the guy who took the keys away from a drunk driver.

In the neverTrump, pro-Hillary faction of the party...sure it will.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: sneakypete on July 21, 2016, 12:51:51 pm
If posting it is moronic it must appeal to the bullying cry baby Cruz dis-loyalists. Sure, post whatever one wants. Everyone has seen them.

@TomSea

Again, I'm loyal to the party,..

It's good to see somebody so honest they accept and admit their limitations when it comes to doing hard stuff like thinking,and are happy to let people like the international bankers do it for them.

The question is "WHY are you posting someone else's opinions here? You need to get your handler within the Party to explain to you that sites like this are for expressing YOUR OWN opinion,not one that is issued to you.

Have you ever heard of a web site named Free Republic? I think you would be VERY happy posting there. They are all about Group Think and playing "Follow the Leader" over there.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Mod1 on July 21, 2016, 12:53:14 pm
Do not engage in namecalling, please. No more "stupid" or "white trash" remarks directed at other posters.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 21, 2016, 12:53:28 pm
If that's how you want to play it, then go on, lose your damn election.   You'd rather lose,  wouldn't you?   

Cruz gave a terrific speech about what animates conservatives,  making clear the stakes, and urging everyone to vote. 

But you'd rather defend your Donald's precious ego.   Use your head for something other than a hatrack.   Cruz's speech can and should have unified the party - but the Trumpsters just won't let it. 

Go on the Trumpster live thread from yesterday if you don't believe me.  The Trumpsters were loving Cruz's speech - he didn't say ONE CRITICAL WORD about the nominee - but then the posts changed on a dime when it became clear that Cruz wouldn't do the one little act of fealty you all insisted on.    He said Vote your Conscience, not Vote for Trump.

Trump's supporters are fools.   All they've got is their anger, and even in victory they won't let it go.   
If they lose, and they will, they will blame those of us they have attacked right along with the candidate they attacked. They won't own the demise of the party they will have badgered others out of, they will not take the credit for its destruction, because it is not in their nature to admit getting anything wrong. Just like having to dig for the information on their candidate's business dealings which have had less than stellar outcomes, they will bury their failures behind a wall of finger pointing and fury.

We have not yet begun to fight.

#nevertrump/#neverhillary
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: wolfcreek on July 21, 2016, 12:54:19 pm
Actually, one doesn't have to be white trash to know it when one sees it. As a rule, the more real class one has, the more obvious it is. Being white trash has nothing to do with money, although we used to call the moneyed white trash 'nouveau riche'.

I would save that title for the Clinton but, I wouldn't want to offend their supporters.  :whistle:
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Lando Lincoln on July 21, 2016, 12:56:26 pm
Back on topic...

Cruz' speech of last night will grow larger over time. It will not diminish him.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 21, 2016, 12:56:51 pm
In the neverTrump, pro-Hillary faction of the party...sure it will.
Equating nevertrump with pro Hillary has been so seriously debunked around here, so often,  I feel quite comfortable in calling you a LIAR. That you persist in posting it makes you a TROLL as well.

Have a nice day.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: oldmomster on July 21, 2016, 12:56:57 pm
If that's how you want to play it, then go on, lose your damn election.   You'd rather lose,  wouldn't you?   


so lies don't count?  I'd rather lose, how?  by voting for Kasich?  oh wait, he's NOT the nominee.  by voting for Cruz?  oh wait, he's not the nominee either.  So there's nothing here about Trump's ego - its all about making a campaign pledge and within a couple months, breaking it in front of the country. 

At least Kasich didn't show up at all, which is a more honorable stance.  Cruz showing up and then NOT supporting Trump was like showing up at a party, and then spitting on the cake.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: sneakypete on July 21, 2016, 12:59:48 pm
Trumpquats are the sorest "winners" in history.

Their candidate is a liar without equal
He flip flops on every issue
He has NO principles
He is friends and pals with the Clintons

So bitter, so envious of those who have real conservative principles

@geronl

He sees lying as an acceptable business tactic,and a useful tool in life. He has NO morals whatsoever because he is a narcissistic sociopath which means that EVERYTHING he does is honorable and above board because it benefits HIM.  This whole thing is nothing more than one YUGE ego trip for somebody who thought the world only existed to please him to start with.

Just wait until he decides the time is right to drop out late in the race and spend the rest of his life bragging about how "I COULD have been the President of the United States if I had wanted,but I decided to drop out because the job was beneath me."
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Just_Victor on July 21, 2016, 01:00:13 pm
I would save that title for the Clinton but, I wouldn't want to offend their supporters.  :whistle:

Clinton supporters?

You mean like the entire registered democRAT Trump family?

Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Mechanicos on July 21, 2016, 01:00:29 pm
Do not engage in namecalling, please. No more "stupid" or "white trash" remarks directed at other posters.
How is the term "white trash" not a racist term?
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: sinkspur on July 21, 2016, 01:00:36 pm
Back on topic...

Cruz' speech of last night will grow larger over time. It will not diminish him.

I agree, especially after Trump's remarks about not honoring NATO commitments.  The man is a despot who wants to diminish America.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 21, 2016, 01:01:38 pm
I would save that title for the Clinton but, I wouldn't want to offend their supporters.  :whistle:
Once again you are implying that those who do not support Trump are Clinton supporters.

By virtue of supporting Trump his supporters have guaranteed that Clinton will, barring divine intervention or unforseen circumstance, be the next POTUS.
I would simply state that by doing so, you are the real Clinton supporters. You have set her up for victory.

If you don't like that characterization, quit equating nevertrump with pro-Hillary. Otherwise, you may see it a lot.   
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: wolfcreek on July 21, 2016, 01:02:37 pm
Equating nevertrump with pro Hillary has been so seriously debunked around here, so often,  I feel quite comfortable in calling you a LIAR. That you persist in posting it makes you a TROLL as well.

Have a nice day.

It hasn't been debunked on the national stage where it counts.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/07/14/chris_christie_jeb_bush_not_voting_for_trump_is_absolutely_helping_hillary_win.html

You feel comfortable all you want. You are lying to yourselves.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: wolfcreek on July 21, 2016, 01:04:58 pm
Once again you are implying that those who do not support Trump are Clinton supporters.

By virtue of supporting Trump his supporters have guaranteed that Clinton will, barring divine intervention or unforseen circumstance, be the next POTUS.
I would simply state that by doing so, you are the real Clinton supporters. You have set her up for victory.

If you don't like that characterization, quit equating nevertrump with pro-Hillary. Otherwise, you may see it a lot.

I'm not 'implying' anything. I'm telling you straight to your face.

You have a warped sense of reality or a bad case of CYA.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Just_Victor on July 21, 2016, 01:05:07 pm
@geronl

He sees lying as an acceptable business tactic,and a useful tool in life. He has NO morals whatsoever because he is a narcissistic sociopath which means that EVERYTHING he does is honorable and above board because it benefits HIM.  This whole thing is nothing more than one YUGE ego trip for somebody who thought the world only existed to please him to start with.

Just wait until he decides the time is right to drop out late in the race and spend the rest of his life bragging about how "I COULD have been the President of the United States if I had wanted,but I decided to drop out because the job was beneath me."

The way I see it, Trump has a single lifelong principle.  "How does this benefit me (Donald Trump)?"

It's not a unique approach to life.  It's sadly common among self absorbed celebrities these days.  But then it's no surprise since Trump is just the latest Kardashian/Hilton/today's-train-wreck-of-a-life celebrity to his the scene.

Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 21, 2016, 01:05:43 pm
How is the term "white trash" not a racist term?
If you are white, "white trash" isn't racist. Just like if you are black, you can say "ni**er". Culturally, the two stations in life were considered equivalent at one time. Respectable blacks used the equivalent term to describe those of low character within their racial subset, just as whites used "white trash".
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: don-o on July 21, 2016, 01:05:52 pm
Back on topic...

Cruz' speech of last night will grow larger over time. It will not diminish him.

Cruz emerges with his integrity intact. Trump clearly does not want Ted's endorsement because that would require apologizing for his outrageous attacks in the primary.



 
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: oldmomster on July 21, 2016, 01:08:25 pm
Cruz emerges with his integrity intact. Trump clearly does not want Ted's endorsement because that would require apologizing for his outrageous attacks in the primary.

so there was a 'but' or 'depending on' or 'only if' at the end of his pledge?   funny, I don't hear it here....

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/07/flashback-ted-cruz-promises-national-tv-endorse-donald-trump-video/

Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Texas Yellow Rose on July 21, 2016, 01:09:56 pm

Cruz gave a terrific speech about what animates conservatives,  making clear the stakes, and urging everyone to vote. 

  Use your head for something other than a hatrack.   

"Use your head for something other than a hatrack", is my 91 year old dad's favorite saying!! It certainly fits when describing (all, some, most) the Trump supporters.  You're right about the cheering too.  They were loving the speech ... until the very end.  I can't think of any one thing more important that each person in this country "voting their conscience!"  If a candidate is opposed to that, we should turn our back on him and RUN as fast as we can.  Donald Trump is the closest I have seen to someone like that in my lifetime.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 21, 2016, 01:10:55 pm
I'm not 'implying' anything. I'm telling you straight to your face.

You have a warped sense of reality or a bad case of CYA.
I'm for the Constitution Party candidate, Castle.

Those who insisted on Trump will get the Hillary they voted for. YOU are the ultimate Hillary supporters. YOU voted for the guy with the most negatives of 17 candidates who polled the worst against Hillary in a head to head matchup, so don't blame us for your actions. YOU took out the competition and paved her road to the White House by supporting Trump. Own it. Be more of an adult than your candidate.

I'm voting my conscience, up and down the ticket, and that includes neither Hillary nor Trump. :tongue2:
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: sneakypete on July 21, 2016, 01:11:06 pm
It's all about damage control at this point with the hope that what remains of the republic survives until January 2021.

@Hank Rearden

By then Trump will have done the job he was hired to do,and destroyed the alleged Republican Party for good. There will be no elections after this one because there will only be one party. I guess that technically there will be elections but they will be like the "open and fair elections" held in Soviet Russia. The Ruling Party will give you a choice of candidates. One will be the anointed party favorite,and the other will be the designated loser whose job it is to make the farce seem real. Kinda like this election,but more obvious because by then they will be flaunting their power and corruption,not still  hiding it.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Jazzhead on July 21, 2016, 01:11:13 pm

At least Kasich didn't show up at all, which is a more honorable stance.  Cruz showing up and then NOT supporting Trump was like showing up at a party, and then spitting on the cake.

Cruz gave a brilliant speech describing the stakes in this election, echoing Trump's major themes and urging everyone to vote.   It was immensely supportive of Trump, except to the crazy Trumpsters who insist on kiss-my-ring fealty. 

Cruz was trying to unify the party,  except that you and the other Trumpsters who booed would rather keep up your ridiculous feud.

Yeah,  you sure must want to lose.     
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: wolfcreek on July 21, 2016, 01:11:54 pm
Clinton supporters?

You mean like the entire registered democRAT Trump family?

mirror
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: don-o on July 21, 2016, 01:15:14 pm
so there was a 'but' or 'depending on' or 'only if' at the end of his pledge?   funny, I don't hear it here....
 

In my experience, if I am trying to restore a failed relationship, my first move is to own my part of the failure. "I was wrong" opens the door to reconciliation.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: sneakypete on July 21, 2016, 01:16:03 pm
It had nothing to do with "joining a mob".  It proves, yet again, Ted Cruz is incapable of being a team player, of fighting for a greater good outside his personal ambitions---and everything he has done this year, including last night, is about him--first, last and always.

The people have proven they can embrace someone who has lost an election, but not a sore loser.  Last night Cruz proved he's the loser whose self-interest is above the country's in such a deliberate and obvious way at the moment we are fighting for our survival.

Just how freaking delusional are you,anyway? WHEN the alleged Republicans lose in November it will be because you supported the Orange Loser with tiny hands that is owned by the same bankers that own the Clintons,and because people like you swallowed the bait,hook,line,and sinker.


@Right_in_Virginia

Just how freaking delusional are you,anyway? WHEN the alleged Republicans lose in November it will be because you supported the Orange Loser with tiny hands that is owned by the same bankers that own the Clintons.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Silver Pines on July 21, 2016, 01:16:45 pm
Sarah Palin says that Cruz's speech was "career ending" and that people shouldn't support candidates who don't tell the truth.

SARAH PALIN said this!

LOLOLOL *deep breath* LOLLLLL
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: oldmomster on July 21, 2016, 01:17:22 pm
In my experience, if I am trying to restore a failed relationship, my first move is to own my part of the failure. "I was wrong" opens the door to reconciliation.

It was Ted's place to own it.....he didn't.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: oldmomster on July 21, 2016, 01:19:36 pm
 
Yeah,  you sure must want to lose.   

I'm voting for the candidate, so its not on me if the votes arent there....
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on July 21, 2016, 01:19:38 pm
Called him lying Ted one too many times.

How about Lion Ted?  http://www.nationalreview.com/article/438154/cruzs-stand-conservatism-lion-ted

Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Silver Pines on July 21, 2016, 01:20:19 pm
Multiple witnesses confirm Manafort said "Wait until you see the reaction to the Ted Cruz speech."

Multiple witnesses confirm Trump people were moving through the crowd, encouraging delegates to boo.

Once again, the stupid oaf got in his own way, and turned a very good speech by Cruz into a legendary speech.

Thanks, Donald!
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: catfish1957 on July 21, 2016, 01:21:04 pm
 :bsflag: :bs: :bsflag: :bs::bsflag:

Politically brilliant move

Once Trump is exposed as the fraud that he is, Ted Cruz will come out like a hero.

I can't help that the TV punditry is so short sided, and collectively stupid. 

And to those NY delegate thugs who threatened MS. Cruz......  FU
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Texas Yellow Rose on July 21, 2016, 01:21:26 pm
Sarah Palin says that Cruz's speech was "career ending" and that people shouldn't support candidates who don't tell the truth.

SARAH PALIN said this!

LOLOLOL *deep breath* LOLLLLL

No name calling! No name calling! No name calling! How about fill in the blank???  Sarah Palin is (a/an) ________________.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: MACVSOG68 on July 21, 2016, 01:21:54 pm
Back on topic...

Cruz' speech of last night will grow larger over time. It will not diminish him.

Problem is that most in the auditorium last night didn't see it that way, which is why he's trying to explain himself this morning to the Texas delegation.  When you have to explain what you just said, you have problems.  What he did last night was to solidify his standing with the right wing, but make a lot of enemies.  Not a good thing to do when planning his 2020 presidential aspirations.  It wouldn't have taken much to ask for unity against Hillary, but he just couldn't do that.  It hasn't ended his political career, just made his job much tougher.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Just_Victor on July 21, 2016, 01:22:14 pm
mirror

I'm not sure what you mean.  No one in my family is a democRAT, registered or otherwise.

Or if you are calling me a Clinton supporter, I intend to vote for Trump this fall.  As the Trump enthusiasts keep pointing out, he's better than Hillary.  IMHO being the "Not Hillary" candidate is a pretty weak campaign theme, but hey, you have to roll with what got.

Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: sinkspur on July 21, 2016, 01:23:48 pm
It was Ted's place to own it.....he didn't.

Own what? Cruz was the TARGET of Trump's smears.  Trump never apologized for maligning Cruz's wife, his father, and Cruz himself.

Cruz took a risk, but it will pay off for him big time when Trump loses.   He'll be the guy who took the keys away from a drunk.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Lando Lincoln on July 21, 2016, 01:24:20 pm
Cruz emerges with his integrity intact. Trump clearly does not want Ted's endorsement because that would require apologizing for his outrageous attacks in the primary.

And, it can be said that much of how people view Cruz' speech 4 years hence will be based on a President Trump performance.

Ironic, ain't it?
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Just_Victor on July 21, 2016, 01:25:15 pm
I'm voting for the candidate, so its not on me if the votes arent there....

Just as when Ted Cruz couldn't consolidate the not Trump vote and it was on him, if Trump cannot consolidate the Not Hillary vote, it's Trump's failure, and his alone.

Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Poser on July 21, 2016, 01:25:47 pm
Ted had a chance to show some class and do what he pledged to do from the beginning. I suspect that he  and Kasich have ruined their future chances in presidential politics. A whole lot of Republicans will remember this in four or eight years. The only way this works out for either of them is if Trump does something so stupid that most of his supporters turn away from him and admit they were wrong from the beginning.

Crazier things have happened, but it is quite unlikely. It takes a lot for most people to change their entire way of thinking.  Rubio showed a bit more class, but he did himself no favor as well.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 21, 2016, 01:26:43 pm
:bsflag: :bs: :bsflag: :bs::bsflag:

Politically brilliant move

Once Trump is exposed as the fraud that he is, Ted Cruz will come out like a hero.

I can't help that the TV punditry is so short sided, and collectively stupid. 

And to those NY delegate thugs who threatened MS. Cruz......  FU
It's those darned New York Values, again. Miss Ogeny, paging Miss Ogeny, come to the bruised courtesy phone...
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: catfish1957 on July 21, 2016, 01:27:03 pm
I must be a die hard Cruz supporter then, because tonight I heard someone who actually speaks for me.

BTW Trump himself backed out of the pledge deal on 3/30/16 on CNN. So can we dispense with that particular untruth, at least?

Same here.  Never more proud of the courage of Ted Cruz, and in the face of the Roman mob.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: oldmomster on July 21, 2016, 01:27:11 pm
Problem is that most in the auditorium last night didn't see it that way, which is why he's trying to explain himself this morning to the Texas delegation.  When you have to explain what you just said, you have problems.   It wouldn't have taken much to ask for unity against Hillary, but he just couldn't do that.  It hasn't ended his political career, just made his job much tougher.

When he DOES run again the fact that he lied about supporting the winner will taint him.  Makes him look like a sore loser - which is a pretty childish stance to take in politics. 
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on July 21, 2016, 01:27:20 pm
I supported Cruz and still do not support Trump. I think Cruz should not have shown up in that hall if he was not going to lend more support to the ticket.


the GOP convention is not just nominating the President.  There are a lot of other items being decided such as party platform, etc.  Do you believe the party should lockstep in just one direction?  this is not a dictatorship.

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Maybe he is standing on principle, but what about the principle and honor of signing a pledge and abiding by it because you gave your word?

Did Ted reverse himself since March when he said he would not necessarily support GOP nominee?  http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/29/politics/donald-trump-ted-cruz-nominee-pledge/

I would like to see you source if he did.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Silver Pines on July 21, 2016, 01:27:44 pm
so there was a 'but' or 'depending on' or 'only if' at the end of his pledge?   funny, I don't hear it here....

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/07/flashback-ted-cruz-promises-national-tv-endorse-donald-trump-video/

So if someone attacked your husband and your father, you'd be a disloyal doormat and keep some "pledge" made to the person?

Cruz did the only honorable thing.  He put his wife and his father, and his principles and his country, before that stupid oaf, Trump.

Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Jazzhead on July 21, 2016, 01:28:00 pm
I'm voting for the candidate, so its not on me if the votes arent there....

No, it's on you and the other Trumpsters who want no reconciliation with those of us who voted for Cruz or Kasich.   

What is wrong with a message to Vote your Conscience?   Have you forgotten you have one?   
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: HoustonSam on July 21, 2016, 01:29:09 pm
Respectfully, RIV, that's ridiculous.    Cruz didn't urge anyone not to vote for Trump.   He made clear in stark terms the stakes this election, and urged all who were listening to get out and vote in November, up and down the ticket.  And Cruz unequivocally endorsed Trump's major themes of keeping dangerous immigrants out and building "the wall".


As much as you'd like to think it so,  it is no diss of Trump or anyone else to urge all Americans to vote their consciences.  You're voting your conscience, aren't you?   Why shouldn't we all?   

You can't dismiss the reality that Trump treated Cruz and his family very badly during the primaries.   Cruz did everything a reasonable man could be expected to do in his speech - he spoke not one bad word about the Republican nominee,  and made exactly the kind of pitch  - a passionate apologia for liberty- centric and opportunity-centric government - that can and will unify the party, if only the Trumpsters will let it .

The Trumpsters who booed Cruz are fools,  but perhaps Trump himself is not.   He should be MAGNANIMOUS in victory tonight, and should specifically thank  Cruz for articulating so well the values that animate the Republican party.   He should even consider recognizing the bad blood between them,  and apologize for dissing Cruz's wife and dad.   If he does that, he'll likely unify the party.   If he doesn't,  and proves yet again that it's all about him,  then Hillary can start measuring the drapes.     

This is just about a perfectly-stated post in all respects.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: oldmomster on July 21, 2016, 01:29:23 pm
Own what? Cruz was the TARGET of Trump's smears.  Trump never apologized for maligning Cruz's wife, his father, and Cruz himself.


Cruzpac started it with the picture of Melania.....meant to hurt Trump in Utah with the Mormons.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: sneakypete on July 21, 2016, 01:29:41 pm
Ted Cruz and John Kasich said - on stage in front of millions - that they would endorse Donald Trump if he was the nominee. 

They are liars, pure and simple.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/07/flashback-ted-cruz-promises-national-tv-endorse-donald-trump-video/

@oldmomster

LOTS of people stood up on stages back in the 1930's and said they would support Hitler,too. Do you damn any of them for realizing they had made a mistake and backing away from it later?
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Jazzhead on July 21, 2016, 01:30:00 pm
Makes him look like a sore loser - which is a pretty childish stance to take in politics.

So is being a sore winner - and the consequences of that attitude will manifest themselves long before 2020.

Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on July 21, 2016, 01:30:22 pm
Wow, Ted Cruz got booed off the stage, didn't honor the pledge! I saw his speech two hours early but let him speak anyway. No big deal!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) July 21, 2016

Not exactly 'approved'

Ted make it clear back in March he would not necessarily support nominee.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/29/politics/donald-trump-ted-cruz-nominee-pledge/

Also, since then Trump has called him all sorts of names, and insulted his wife.  I would never support someone who did that to me.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: driftdiver on July 21, 2016, 01:30:52 pm


the GOP convention is not just nominating the President.  There are a lot of other items being decided such as party platform, etc.  Do you believe the party should lockstep in just one direction?  this is not a dictatorship.

Did Ted reverse himself since March when he said he would not necessarily support GOP nominee?  http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/29/politics/donald-trump-ted-cruz-nominee-pledge/

I would like to see you source if he did.

@massadvj

Where is the criticism of Trump for his blatant lies and for his refusal to apologize?
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Night Hides Not on July 21, 2016, 01:32:24 pm
Own what? Cruz was the TARGET of Trump's smears.  Trump never apologized for maligning Cruz's wife, his father, and Cruz himself.

Cruz took a risk, but it will pay off for him big time when Trump loses.   He'll be the guy who took the keys away from a drunk.

IMO, the real Trump is not the sweetened observations of his children, but the one who authorized the multiple lies thrown at Ted and his family. Trump went several bridges too far, and I'm not going to criticize Ted for what he said last night.

Ted may very well decide not to run again for Senate in 2018. He can make a ton of money in private practice, while getting the chance to spend more time with his family.

Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: driftdiver on July 21, 2016, 01:33:00 pm
Cruzpac started it with the picture of Melania.....meant to hurt Trump in Utah with the Mormons.

I think that whiney argument died back in the 60s when Trump's dad helped kill Kennedy.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Poser on July 21, 2016, 01:33:08 pm
If they lose, and they will, they will blame those of us they have attacked right along with the candidate they attacked.
I think you have hit the nail on the head here. If Trump wins, Cruz and Kasich's presidential chances are over forever and their chances for other high office are diminished. If Trump loses, Cruz and Kasich will be blamed and the result will be the same.

The smart thing would have been to urge others to vote strait R or say nothing at all. In my opinion, Cruz and Kasich have both ended their presidential chances forever.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: sneakypete on July 21, 2016, 01:33:27 pm
In the neverTrump, pro-Hillary faction of the party...sure it will.

@wolfcreek

ROFLMAO! Trump IS the Pro-Hillary faction of the alleged Republican Party.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: oldmomster on July 21, 2016, 01:34:07 pm
No, it's on you and the other Trumpsters who want no reconciliation with those of us who voted for Cruz or Kasich.   

What is wrong with a message to Vote your Conscience?   Have you forgotten you have one?   

You know, you just don't bother to get any info, then spout false facts.  I DID vote for Cruz....he LOST!  Its not hard to figure out what has to be done next is it?

NO ONE has to be told to vote for who they want - NO ONE leaves their conscience outside the booth and NO ONE gets their votes reported to the press - its still secret.

We have to unite the party?  When he got up on the stage and was given the chance to do it, he DID NOT. 

Live with it.  He lied.  I'm sure all the candidates lied about lots of stuff, and it was up to US to check out the facts.  But when it counted, Ted bailed.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: biff on July 21, 2016, 01:34:29 pm
The Trumpanzees have vilified Cruz to the point he will be frozen by his party leading to him abandoning the Republican party and becoming an independent leading a truly constitutionaly conservative party in 2020. The number of supporters leaving the republican party would leave it just a shell of itself. It is beyond saving at this point, even more so after being decimated by Hilary in November.

Of course, donnie, his kids as well as his Trumpanzees will blame anybody else for their moronic failures.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: catfish1957 on July 21, 2016, 01:34:56 pm
Ted is a complete ass hole and the majority at the convention think so. He is so dead in the party he really played it wrong by not honoring his pledge. He is a jerk and to think I once liked him never again though.

We all know who the orange koolaid drinkers are.  Hope you respond to this comment in 4 years.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Hurricane Andrew on July 21, 2016, 01:36:01 pm
@truth_seeker

ANY fool can join a mob.

And far too many do (and have)
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on July 21, 2016, 01:36:01 pm
If the Republicans lose in November, he now carries the stain.  If the Republicans win in November, he will be marginalized even more than he is now.  The reported smartest man in the room has proved he is not.

So you are saying that a Donald Trump loss means Ted Cruz is at fault, not Donald Trump?

Do you even realize how stupid that comment is? 

No one should be supporting anyone who insults you, your wife, and your father.  It would be a pretty poor character for one to do that.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: skeeter on July 21, 2016, 01:38:00 pm
Cruzpac started it with the picture of Melania.....meant to hurt Trump in Utah with the Mormons.

Liz Mair and Make America Awesome, who published the Melania pic, has no affiliation with Ted Cruz. None. Zero.

They were formed as an anti-Trump PAC.

I don't post this in an effort to change any Trump fan's mind - I realize they will not accept anything that conflicts with the accepted narrative - but in the off chance anyone reading with an open mind wants to know.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 21, 2016, 01:38:13 pm
Cruzpac started it with the picture of Melania.....meant to hurt Trump in Utah with the Mormons.
Where did that PAC get the picture? Think about that, while you also consider that when that story broke, Cruz said "that's not one of ours" referring to the ad.

Now the pool-pah* I recall was over Cruz "disavowing" the ad, which he had already done, only calmly and without fanfare. Apparently simply saying it wasn't a Cruz approved ad was not 'disavowal' enough for fans of the Great Combover, even as they repeatedly ogled the ad, they posted vitriol about Cruz as if he had anything to do with it. The PAC was independent of the Cruz campaign. Just one more lying smear against Cruz from the Trump camp.

(*obscure Bokononic reference from a Kurt Vonnegut Jr. novel--google it if you wish)
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: The Jackal on July 21, 2016, 01:38:19 pm
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Ted had a chance to show some class and do what he pledged to do from the beginning. I suspect that he  and Kasich have ruined their future chances in presidential politics. A whole lot of Republicans will remember this in four or eight years.

Cruz was the epitome of class. He enunciated conservative principles and told everyone to go out and vote their conscience. This was no anti-Trump tirade. Nobody has been more outspoken about the right and freedom of conscience throughout this campaign than Cruz. This is not some new thing with him. That shows integrity and adherence to principle.

Quote
The only way this works out for either of them is if Trump does something so stupid that most of his supporters turn away from him and admit they were wrong from the beginning.

Trump already has by siding with Erdogan and putting conditions on the NATO alliance, undercutting his own running mate.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Poser on July 21, 2016, 01:38:31 pm
@oldmomster

LOTS of people stood up on stages back in the 1930's and said they would support Hitler,too. Do you damn any of them for realizing they had made a mistake and backing away from it later?

Aha! You have proved Godwin's law once again. You lose the argument.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: verga on July 21, 2016, 01:38:51 pm
If you take Cruz saying 'vote your values' as not endorsing Trump - you admit Trump does not follow your values.
Right there, that says it all.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: oldmomster on July 21, 2016, 01:39:42 pm
The Trumpanzees have vilified Cruz to the point he will be frozen by his party leading to him abandoning the Republican party and becoming an independent leading a truly constitutionaly conservative party in 2020. The number of supporters leaving the republican party would leave it just a shell of itself. It is beyond saving at this point, even more so after being decimated by Hilary in November.

Of course, donnie, his kids as well as his Trumpanzees will blame anybody else for their moronic failures.

I hope a constitutional conservative DOES get a conservative party going - clearly the republicans are NOT serving us.

The next time you call Trump supporters Trumpanzees, I'll report you.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Silver Pines on July 21, 2016, 01:41:52 pm
Maybe a Trump supporter can explain something.

Cruz didn't say a single negative word about Trump.

In fact, he opened his speech with a congratulatory message to him.

Cruz encouraged people to vote their consciences, up and down the ticket.

What are y'all so mad about?
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: WAC on July 21, 2016, 01:43:13 pm

Listening this morning and now to Cruz speaking with the Texas Delegation...answering questions...it's no surprise Cruz continues to take his stand......very interesting listen this morning......

It's been said Cruz has hy-jacked the Convention since last night and throughout today thus far.....intentional or not....he has the media attention.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Jazzhead on July 21, 2016, 01:44:56 pm
This is just about a perfectly-stated post in all respects.

Why, thank you, sir!
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: driftdiver on July 21, 2016, 01:45:32 pm
Maybe a Trump supporter can explain something.

Cruz didn't say a single negative word about Trump.

In fact, he opened his speech with a congratulatory message to him.

Cruz encouraged people to vote their consciences, up and down the ticket.

What are y'all so mad about?

Because bullies attack until they are smacked hard enough they have to back down.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: austingirl on July 21, 2016, 01:46:43 pm
NY Chris Collins bashing Cruz as a "self-absorbed narcissist" even after lyin' Don was so generous to allow him to speak. He is one angry RINO. Trumpism is a mental disorder just as Obamism was in 2008.

He admits that Trump knew the content of the speech. They really have trouble with the principled conservative and vote your conscience thing.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Luis Gonzalez on July 21, 2016, 01:46:49 pm
Listening this morning and now to Cruz speaking with the Texas Delegation...answering questions...it's no surprise Cruz continues to take his stand......very interesting listen this morning......

It's been said Cruz has hy-jacked the Convention since last night and throughout today thus far.....intentional or not....he has the media attention.

He Trumped Trump.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: sneakypete on July 21, 2016, 01:47:57 pm
[uote author=Poser link=topic=216745.msg978396#msg978396 date=1469108311]
Aha! You have proved Godwin's law once again. You lose the argument.
[/quote]

@Poser

Ah,HAH! You are someone who confuses a brain fart designed to deflect an uncomfortable truth with wisdom!

Give thinking a chance.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: oldmomster on July 21, 2016, 01:48:14 pm
Maybe a Trump supporter can explain something.

Cruz didn't say a single negative word about Trump.

In fact, he opened his speech with a congratulatory message to him.

Cruz encouraged people to vote their consciences, up and down the ticket.

What are y'all so mad about?

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/07/flashback-ted-cruz-promises-national-tv-endorse-donald-trump-video/

Guess its the fact that repub party twisted themselves into pretzels insinuating that Trump would not support the party if another candidate won.  Turns out its the OTHER guys who are not keeping their word.

People don't need to be told to vote their conscience - they do it anyway.  The delegates who tried to invalidate the votes of the citizens claimed they needed to vote their conscience instead of vote outcomes.  Maybe people are just tired of the games and the hair-splitting.

A pledge is a pledge.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Night Hides Not on July 21, 2016, 01:49:36 pm
So you are saying that a Donald Trump loss means Ted Cruz is at fault, not Donald Trump?

Do you even realize how stupid that comment is? 

No one should be supporting anyone who insults you, your wife, and your father.  It would be a pretty poor character for one to do that.

+1.

Here's how I roll: my last two months of HS were spent enduring vilification from my classmates, because I had the temerity to accept a 4 year ROTC scholarship. I was called a host of names, the more printable being "babykiller" and "sellout".  One of my favorite teachers told me to my face how disappointed he was in me. I can only recall receiving encouragement from one teacher. He was thrilled because he was a former Jesuit priest from Marquette, and I opted to attend Gonzaga.

I've never been back. However, I stay in contact with my college buddies on almost a daily basis.

The surliness of the typical Trump supporter has turned me off. The race for 2016 has come down to picking your poison. Trump has 3+ months to offer enough of an antidote to get my vote.
BTW, it's the same HS that Rachel Maddow graduated from, about 15 miles south of Berkeley.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Silver Pines on July 21, 2016, 01:49:49 pm
Because bullies attack until they are smacked hard enough they have to back down.

Exactly right.

Cruz showed last night that he won't bow his knee to Trump, and there's not a damn thing any of them can do about it.

Some Republican establishment types gripe about Trump privately, but only one man has faced down the childish, insecure bully, and will continue to do so.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: sneakypete on July 21, 2016, 01:49:50 pm
I hope a constitutional conservative DOES get a conservative party going - clearly the republicans are NOT serving us.

The next time you call Trump supporters Trumpanzees, I'll report you.

@oldmomster

You need to change your screen name to either "Snitch" or "Net Nanny". Either would be appropriate.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: driftdiver on July 21, 2016, 01:50:53 pm
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/07/flashback-ted-cruz-promises-national-tv-endorse-donald-trump-video/

Guess its the fact that repub party twisted themselves into pretzels insinuating that Trump would not support the party if another candidate won.  Turns out its the OTHER guys who are not keeping their word.

People don't need to be told to vote their conscience - they do it anyway.  The delegates who tried to invalidate the votes of the citizens claimed they needed to vote their conscience instead of vote outcomes.  Maybe people are just tired of the games and the hair-splitting.

A pledge is a pledge.

Trump is about the last person who can use the pledge is a pledge criticism.   After what he did to Cruz and the other candidates he should be slinking off to his sewer instead of the nomination.

Has Trump answered for his multitude of blatant lies?
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: WAC on July 21, 2016, 01:51:56 pm
Maybe a Trump supporter can explain something.
What are y'all so mad about?

I'm not so sure all supporters of Trump are mad.......rather they are disappointed that Cruz had the opportunity to unite the party and many wanted to hear that directly.....instead Cruz rode the edge of the party divisions by not endorsing Trump.......and with that continues to "campaign" and set the "standards" of what he has determined are the touch stones for voting. throughout this morning in speaking with the Texan Delegates and answering their questions......

So it's understandable certainly that some are angry.......they aren't looking to 2020 but to this very election.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: thackney on July 21, 2016, 01:52:27 pm
A pledge is a pledge.

Trump rescinds pledge to back Republican nominee; Cruz, Kasich refuse to commit support
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/03/30/trump-rescinds-pledge-to-back-republican-nominee-cruz-kasich-refuse-to-commit-support.html
March 30, 2016

Quote
When asked if he would keep the pledge he signed last September, Trump responded "No, I won’t." The real estate mogul explained that he was taking back the pledge because, "I have been treated very unfairly," and listed the Republican National Committee and party establishment among those he believes have wronged him.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: driftdiver on July 21, 2016, 01:53:42 pm
I'm not so sure all supporters of Trump are mad.......rather they are disappointed that Cruz had the opportunity to unite the party and many wanted to hear that directly.....instead Cruz rode the edge of the party divisions by not endorsing Trump.......and with that continues to "campaign" and set the "standards" of what he has determined are the touch stones for voting. throughout this morning in speaking with the Texan Delegates and answering their questions......

So it's understandable certainly that some are angry.......they aren't looking to 2020 but to this very election.

It's not Cruz's job to unite the party.  It's Trumps and it's obviously a job he has no idea how to do and doesn't care to figure it out.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: skeeter on July 21, 2016, 01:53:47 pm
NY Chris Collins bashing Cruz as a "self-absorbed narcissist" even after lyin' Don was so generous to allow him to speak. He is one angry RINO. Trumpism is a mental disorder just as Obamism was in 2008.

He admits that Trump knew the content of the speech. They really have trouble with the principled conservative and vote your conscience thing.

Thats all the radio sock puppets in my market are saying as well.

I do not believe the long term effects of Ted's speech will in any way resemble what they think. Personally I couldn't be more proud of the guy.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Poser on July 21, 2016, 01:54:05 pm
Maybe a Trump supporter can explain something.

Cruz didn't say a single negative word about Trump.

In fact, he opened his speech with a congratulatory message to him.

Cruz encouraged people to vote their consciences, up and down the ticket.

What are y'all so mad about?

I'll give it a shot. I was a Cruz supporter and now support Trump.

To me it's about class and manners. Cruz had several choices including endorsement and not speaking. Since he is a Republican, he should not have attended the convention and should have kept his mouth shut if he couldn't have supported the candidate. Since he chose to speak (at great length), he should have supported the candidate.

Speaking and not supporting his party's candidate at the nationally televised convention is a clear snub and obvious non-support of the candidate. Saying "he did not, not support the candidate" is ridiculous. Publicly not stating your support of the party's candidate at the convention is classless. I will not support Cruz the next time around.

Kasich made the same mistake. I wouldn't have ever supported him in any case because he's a closet liberal (IMHO of course).

I hope that helps.

Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: oldmomster on July 21, 2016, 01:54:46 pm
@oldmomster

You need to change your screen name to either "Snitch" or "Net Nanny". Either would be appropriate.

so, insults are OK?  personally, I like 'Snitch'.  You can take 'Bully'.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: austingirl on July 21, 2016, 01:55:18 pm
Cruz was the epitome of class. He enunciated conservative principles and told everyone to go out and vote their conscience. This was no anti-Trump tirade. Nobody has been more outspoken about the right and freedom of conscience throughout this campaign than Cruz. This is not some new thing with him. That shows integrity and adherence to principle.

Trump already has by siding with Erdogan and putting conditions on the NATO alliance, undercutting his own running mate.

Cruz was a true statesman last night.  Booing Cruz who said to vote your conscience, fight for freedom and the Constitution was revealing of how low the Republicans have sunk.

I find it very odd that so much attention in the Trump campaign is on his children. NY Chris Collins was pointing to them as the reason to elect Trump- when has this ever happened in the history of presidential politics?
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Luis Gonzalez on July 21, 2016, 01:55:42 pm
A pledge is a pledge.

Not to Trump.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BscSarF3s9A

Note the date.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Poser on July 21, 2016, 01:56:19 pm
[uote author=Poser link=topic=216745.msg978396#msg978396 date=1469108311]
Aha! You have proved Godwin's law once again. You lose the argument.


@Poser

Ah,HAH! You are someone who confuses a brain fart designed to deflect an uncomfortable truth with wisdom!

Give thinking a chance.

Straight to the ad hominem. You lose as well.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Silver Pines on July 21, 2016, 01:56:31 pm
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/07/flashback-ted-cruz-promises-national-tv-endorse-donald-trump-video/

Guess its the fact that repub party twisted themselves into pretzels insinuating that Trump would not support the party if another candidate won.  Turns out its the OTHER guys who are not keeping their word.

People don't need to be told to vote their conscience - they do it anyway.  The delegates who tried to invalidate the votes of the citizens claimed they needed to vote their conscience instead of vote outcomes.  Maybe people are just tired of the games and the hair-splitting.

A pledge is a pledge.

Apparently the New York delegation DID need to be told to vote their consciences, since they erupted in rage at the suggestion.

Well, you wouldn't answer my earlier question, which was this:  if someone attacked your husband and your father, would you be a disloyal doormat and keep a "pledge" made to that person?  I guess we're to assume you would.

Also, Cruz made a pledge to uphold the Constitution, and he made THAT one on a Bible with his hand upraised to God.  The only time Trump mentioned the Constitution was when the oaf referred to some non-existent amendment. 

Cruz's oath to uphold the Constitution, and his vow to honor his wife, both take precedence over fealty to the orange oaf.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: skeeter on July 21, 2016, 01:56:54 pm
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/07/flashback-ted-cruz-promises-national-tv-endorse-donald-trump-video/

Guess its the fact that repub party twisted themselves into pretzels insinuating that Trump would not support the party if another candidate won.  Turns out its the OTHER guys who are not keeping their word.

People don't need to be told to vote their conscience - they do it anyway.  The delegates who tried to invalidate the votes of the citizens claimed they needed to vote their conscience instead of vote outcomes.  Maybe people are just tired of the games and the hair-splitting.

A pledge is a pledge.

*Sigh* wrong again.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/29/politics/republican-town-hall-highlights/index.html
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: rodamala on July 21, 2016, 01:57:04 pm
I'm not so sure all supporters of Trump are mad.......rather they are disappointed that Cruz had the opportunity to unite the party and many wanted to hear that directly.

That is about the same equivalent of getting home from work and beating your wife because your kid punched out his music teacher and was sent home from school early.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: thackney on July 21, 2016, 01:58:24 pm
The smart thing would have been to urge others to vote strait R or say nothing at all. In my opinion, Cruz and Kasich have both ended their presidential chances forever.

Jeers and Boos: Transcript of Ted Cruz's Speech
http://www.rollcall.com/news/politics/transcript-ted-cruz-convention-speech

Quote
If you love our country, and love our children as much as you do, stand, and speak, and vote your conscience, vote for candidates up and down the ticket who you trust to defend our freedom, and to be faithful to the constitution.

In your opinion, which Republicans do you not trust to defend our freedom and not be faithful to the constitution?
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: massadvj on July 21, 2016, 01:58:53 pm
Kasich made the same mistake.

Kasich at least did not go out in front of the crowd and try to exploit the opportunity of the national media spotlight to promote himself.  This was Cruz at his elf-serving worst.  I was a Cruz supporter and have yet to support Trump.  But I am intentionally not trying to rain on the Trump parade, as Cruz has done.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: bilo on July 21, 2016, 01:59:30 pm
Called him lying Ted one too many times.

As ugly as that was,  I think when you insult and lie about a man's wife and family there is no going back.

I respect Sen Cruz now more than ever.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: aligncare on July 21, 2016, 02:00:08 pm
It had nothing to do with "joining a mob".  It proves, yet again, Ted Cruz is incapable of being a team player, of fighting for a greater good outside his personal ambitions---and everything he has done this year, including last night, is about him--first, last and always.

The people have proven they can embrace someone who has lost an election, but not a sore loser.  Last night Cruz proved he's the loser whose self-interest is above the country's in such a deliberate and obvious way at the moment we are fighting for our survival.

If the Republicans lose in November, he now carries the stain.  If the Republicans win in November, he will be marginalized even more than he is now.  The reported smartest man in the room has proved he is not.

Interesting analysis. I agree. Cruz was grandstanding and tried to grab the focus at the end of a race that he had lost. He should have been more gracious and humble. Going down the road he did at the GOP convention, which is meant to unify factions, was a fatal mistake.

And Let me take this opportunity to pay a compliment, RIV. Your contributions and behavior throughout has been exemplary. Measured, calm, and with understanding and insight. Consider me one of your biggest fans.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: WAC on July 21, 2016, 02:01:06 pm
Cruz showed last night that he won't bow his knee to Trump, and there's not a damn thing any of them can do about it.

Yes, in some respects he did that......but more so he's still campaigning and attempting to set the standards by which people should vote......and continued so this morning with the Texas Delegates meeting.

Interesting too that he took the limelight away from Pence.....deliberate or not, and this with 'the media' once again determining Cruz's "decision" would be an either or highlight to the Convention.

 Pence got upstaged by Cruz....and has also upstaged, at least this morning, Trumps big night tonight.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Poser on July 21, 2016, 02:03:18 pm
Jeers and Boos: Transcript of Ted Cruz's Speech
http://www.rollcall.com/news/politics/transcript-ted-cruz-convention-speech

In your opinion, which Republicans do you not trust to defend our freedom and not be faithful to the constitution?

Many. Let me start with Lindsay Graham, Paul Ryan and John Roberts.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: oldmomster on July 21, 2016, 02:03:25 pm

Well, you wouldn't answer my earlier question, which was this:  if someone attacked your husband and your father, would you be a disloyal doormat and keep a "pledge" made to that person?  I guess we're to assume you would.


Cruzpac started it with the Melania photo.  whether or not Ted knew about it beforehand is irrelevant, since it seems to be popular to blame ALL the actions of the supporters on their candidate.

The Cruz campaign was not without some sins itself - and is expected (NOT supported by me) in politics.  But at the end of the day, if you are a member of a party, you are expected to support the eventual winner to bring the party together, NOT fracture it some more.

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2016/02/03/donald-trump-ted-cruz/

Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: skeeter on July 21, 2016, 02:04:22 pm
Yes, in some respects he did that......but more so he's still campaigning and attempting to set the standards by which people should vote......and continued so this morning with the Texas Delegates meeting.

Interesting too that he took the limelight away from Pence.....deliberate or not, and this with 'the media' once again determining Cruz's "decision" would be an either or highlight to the Convention.

 Pence got upstaged by Cruz....and has also upstaged, at least this morning, Trumps big night tonight.

He encouraged people to to get out and vote for their families, vote for candidates they trust, and vote their conscious. And Trump fans are enraged.

Whats wrong with this picture.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: biff on July 21, 2016, 02:05:30 pm
olemomster - I think Trumpanzee is rather fitting. You don't?
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: skeeter on July 21, 2016, 02:06:10 pm
Cruzpac started it with the Melania photo.  whether or not Ted knew about it beforehand is irrelevant, since it seems to be popular to blame ALL the actions of the supporters on their candidate.

The Cruz campaign was not without some sins itself - and is expected (NOT supported by me) in politics.  But at the end of the day, if you are a member of a party, you are expected to support the eventual winner to bring the party together, NOT fracture it some more.

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2016/02/03/donald-trump-ted-cruz/

Liz Mair and Make America Awesome, a totally unaffiliated PAC, started it. Not "Cruzpac".

The truth matters.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: sinkspur on July 21, 2016, 02:06:27 pm
I choose Ted


http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?topic=216792.new#new
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: The Jackal on July 21, 2016, 02:06:50 pm
Cruz was a true statesman last night.  Booing Cruz who said to vote your conscience, fight for freedom and the Constitution was revealing of how low the Republicans have sunk.

I find it very odd that so much attention in the Trump campaign is on his children. NY Chris Collins was pointing to them as the reason to elect Trump- when has this ever happened in the history of presidential politics?

Having grown children, Trump has made them proxies for the campaign. There is no, "the kids are off-limits" here. But there is another element at play. Trump, being in the evening of his days, is looking for legacy. He seeks to establish the Trump name alongside Bush and Kennedy. We see this thought pattern emerging among Trump sycophants, "I'd love to work for Eric and Ivanka," etc. Naturally this transfers to the political realm as well. 
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 21, 2016, 02:07:19 pm
I think you have hit the nail on the head here. If Trump wins, Cruz and Kasich's presidential chances are over forever and their chances for other high office are diminished. If Trump loses, Cruz and Kasich will be blamed and the result will be the same.

The smart thing would have been to urge others to vote strait R or say nothing at all. In my opinion, Cruz and Kasich have both ended their presidential chances forever.
While we agree on the first part, if Trump wins it will be because of two factors. Hillary is about the sleaziest and most patently unlikable criminal to run for public office since Marion Barry, and it will be a sad commentary on a hopefully conflicted electorate as well.
As far as ending Cruz or Kasich political careers, I think not.

If Trump wins, he has four years to make a complete mess of things, and from just what he has done creating unity and all that in the last four months, I would wager that (if there hasn't been an extensive thermonuclear war), he will have a legacy of screwups that will rival or exceed those of any sitting president. He will, inevitably and to the great consternation of those who have sold their souls to stand with him, have damaged the Republican brand, but by association ended not only his own political career but those of those who went out of their way to support him. Assuming, that is, that he takes no extraordinary measures to retain power, at which point there would be a 'fundamental change' in our system of Government, and not a return to the Constitutional Republic we crave.

I don't see that as damaging to the man who would not go along to get along.

If Trump loses, Cruz will have stood steadfast in the breach and called for Constitutional principles and freedom, for voters to vote their consciences, and essentially have made the statement that this was One Big A$$ed Mistake America, all over again.

Essentially, again, not damaging to the man who would not lay his reputation down to support a "LOSER", as that candidate might characterize the situation if applied to someone else.

Integrity and character count for something, and Cruz will have displayed those. By telling those assembled and watching or reading his comments to vote their conscience up and down the ticket, Cruz told no one how to vote, only to vote for the candidate that they felt worthy of their vote, who aligned with their personal values. He did not say to NOT vote for anyone in particular, just as he did not say to VOTE for anyone in particular. For those of us who viewed the continuous attacks on his honesty, integrity, marital fidelity, his spouse and even his relationship with his children, and his father as well, I'd say Cruz showed remarkable restraint, simply keeping it about the country and not specific people, including himself.

YMMV, but I think Ted Cruz will be around for a while. I fully expect that Donald Trump will, one way or another, continue to seek to harm Senator Cruz, and will likely contribute to his political opponents in the future.

Lies have a way of being debunked, and they have been. All that remains is for the purveyors of those lies to quit repeating that which they should by now know not to be true before the last person with the facts steps in and straightens out the record. Distortions of fact are often removed  by the lens of time, so I have confidence this will occur, especially in the face of either failure of the candidate at the polls or failure if elected to fulfill the promises made to his sycophants.

Cruz stood fast. Whether people agree or not they either respect that or betray their own guilt by attacking it.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Bigun on July 21, 2016, 02:07:25 pm
Ted is a complete ass hole and the majority at the convention think so. He is so dead in the party he really played it wrong by not honoring his pledge. He is a jerk and to think I once liked him never again though.

Ted Cruz is a TRUE patriot who did what he did last night knowing full well how many idiots there are around who would not approve!
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Poser on July 21, 2016, 02:08:19 pm
Kasich at least did not go out in front of the crowd and try to exploit the opportunity of the national media spotlight to promote himself.  This was Cruz at his elf-serving worst.  I was a Cruz supporter and have yet to support Trump.  But I am intentionally not trying to rain on the Trump parade, as Cruz has done.

I suggest that is the election appears close, that you bite the bullet and vote straight R. The disposition of the supreme court makes the choice obvious for me. Even a bad President can create long-term problems with his SCOTUS choices. Just look at Obama's choices.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Bigun on July 21, 2016, 02:08:58 pm
The hypocrisy of Trump worshipers staggers me.

I used to be like that but not now!
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: chae on July 21, 2016, 02:09:39 pm
@oldmomster

Yes, a pledge is a pledge...Just like that forsaking all other, til death do us part that Trump swore to Ivana, and then Marla, and now Melania...
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Silver Pines on July 21, 2016, 02:09:57 pm
I'll give it a shot. I was a Cruz supporter and now support Trump.

To me it's about class and manners. Cruz had several choices including endorsement and not speaking. Since he is a Republican, he should not have attended the convention and should have kept his mouth shut if he couldn't have supported the candidate. Since he chose to speak (at great length), he should have supported the candidate.

Speaking and not supporting his party's candidate at the nationally televised convention is a clear snub and obvious non-support of the candidate. Saying "he did not, not support the candidate" is ridiculous. Publicly not stating your support of the party's candidate at the convention is classless. I will not support Cruz the next time around.

Kasich made the same mistake. I wouldn't have ever supported him in any case because he's a closet liberal (IMHO of course).

I hope that helps.

Thanks for the response.

Class and manners is congratulating your opponent on his nomination, and refraining from a verbal punch in the mouth after said nominee slandered his wife and his father.  Cruz earned the right to speak at the convention and always said he would be there to address his delegates.  Trump is no king who deserves fealty and Cruz was under no obligation to endorse him.  Cruz's obligation is to uphold the Constitution, and he spoke about that last night.

Class and manners is NOT okaying a speech and then sending your pro-Putin thug onto the floor to whip up boos in an attempt to humiliate the speaker (which backfired beautifully).  Class and manners isn't coming out onto the floor to try and take the spotlight away from the speaker in a pathetic attempt to massage a damaged, insecure ego.

I agree with you about Kasich.  But you can blame this absence of an endorsement on Trump's stupidity and amorality, which extend to mocking the physical appearance of Cruz's wife, and trying to implicate his elderly pastor father in a decades-old murder case.  Cruz did the honorable thing last night.

I think we might contribute to his Senate campaign, and we aren't even in Texas.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Just_Victor on July 21, 2016, 02:10:09 pm
olemomster - I think Trumpanzee is rather fitting. You don't?

@biff

I realize the temptation to demean, but it really doesn't add anything to the discussion.  Trumpsters or Trump supporter works equally well, and you don't end up diminishing yourself with the name calling.

And besides, when it come to demeaning, they do a pretty fair job of that themselves.

Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: TomSea on July 21, 2016, 02:11:06 pm
I understand Cruz's hostility towards Trump and it may well be unforgivable.

On the other hand though, Cruz campaigned with Trump, was buddy buddy for months, his camp pulled that trick in Iowa against Carson and the campaign was accused of a number of other underhanded tricks like those mailers that were made out to look official.

"Cruz campaign criticized over mailers sent to potential Iowa voters"
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/01/31/cruz-campaign-criticized-over-mailers-sent-to-potential-iowa-voters.html

Seizing the moral high-ground in this case is limited.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: thackney on July 21, 2016, 02:11:37 pm
Many. Let me start with Lindsay Graham, Paul Ryan and John Roberts.

You would prefer that Ted Cruz tell you to vote for them?
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: GrouchoTex on July 21, 2016, 02:11:42 pm
Trump rescinds pledge to back Republican nominee; Cruz, Kasich refuse to commit support
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/03/30/trump-rescinds-pledge-to-back-republican-nominee-cruz-kasich-refuse-to-commit-support.html
March 30, 2016

Listening to Briebart Radio on my way in this morning, a few things stood out:

(1) People called in and complained that Cruz did not keep his more on the pladge issue. They conveniently forget that in March, Trump already rescinded his pledge to do the same.

(2) Reagan did not endorse Ford, he only called for unity.

(3) People how saw the speech had a different opinion to those who couldn't see it, and only read the transcript.People who read the transcript thought it was excellent, while those that heard it live tended to see they were disappointed that Cruz didn't go out of his way to endorse Trump.

(4) if a request to "vote your conscience" doesn't say vote for Trump over Hillary, and has people up in arms, what does this really say?
No one, who follows the law, and the constitution, would ever vote for Hillary if they voted their conscience.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: oldmomster on July 21, 2016, 02:11:55 pm
olemomster - I think Trumpanzee is rather fitting. You don't?

You are just sooooooo classy, and representative of a TRUE conservative.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Silver Pines on July 21, 2016, 02:12:25 pm
As ugly as that was,  I think when you insult and lie about a man's wife and family there is no going back.

I respect Sen Cruz now more than ever.

I stayed up late last night reading the reactions of people on social media, and it was very interesting.

I saw a lot of posts that went "I never supported Cruz before but he deserves a second look" and even "still not a fan, but the guy earned my respect."
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Bigun on July 21, 2016, 02:12:28 pm
Posting that picture as evidence is moronic. Shall I post the pictures of Trump being "buddy buddy" with the Clintons??? As wedding guests? Playing golf with Bill repeatedly? And how about the hundreds of thousands of dollars he's given the Clintons to further Bill and Hillary's evil causes. Those are facts and actual deeds done by your guy and provide a very specific "perception" to anyone who is honest about it.

It's what morans do!
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: WAC on July 21, 2016, 02:14:08 pm
..... Cruz was grandstanding and tried to grab the focus at the end of a race that he had lost. He should have been more gracious and humble. Going down the road he did at the GOP convention, which is meant to unify factions, was a fatal mistake.

Well Cruz DID hy-jack the convention....and unfortunately could have otherwise focused on just as you mentioned.......unifying the people.
Instead  he set a wedge in it as we see today continues by continuing to campaign.  Also sad to hear him mention Trumps attacks today as it certainly shows he's still nursing those wounds.....though understandable.....but it makes it see like he's a "sore" loser trying to gain sympathy at the wrong time.

Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: aligncare on July 21, 2016, 02:14:27 pm
He encouraged people to to get out and vote for their families, vote for candidates they trust, and vote their conscious. And Trump fans are enraged.

Whats wrong with this picture.

There's nothing special about voting your conscience. All people do. That's why politics is so passionate, unpredictable, volatile. Where I vote the curtain closes behind me. Then it's just me, the ballot and my conscience. Real private like. Is it done a special way where you come from?
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: austingirl on July 21, 2016, 02:15:32 pm
Having grown children, Trump has made them proxies for the campaign. There is no, "the kids are off-limits" here. But there is another element at play. Trump, being in the evening of his days, is looking for legacy. He seeks to establish the Trump name alongside Bush and Kennedy. We see this thought pattern emerging among Trump sycophants, "I'd love to work for Eric and Ivanka," etc. Naturally this transfers to the political realm as well.

Yes, this. The last thing we need is another political dynasty. The public servants have set themselves apart from the people in a ruling class. So very far from the Founding Principles. I would like to a viable third party- the Constitution Party is where I will find a home.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Silver Pines on July 21, 2016, 02:15:57 pm
I suggest that is the election appears close, that you bite the bullet and vote straight R. The disposition of the supreme court makes the choice obvious for me. Even a bad President can create long-term problems with his SCOTUS choices. Just look at Obama's choices.

Trump recently said that he doesn't care if we lose the Senate to the Democrats.   He won't make conservative appointees to the Court.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: oldmomster on July 21, 2016, 02:16:13 pm
@oldmomster

Yes, a pledge is a pledge...Just like that forsaking all other, til death do us part that Trump swore to Ivana, and then Marla, and now Melania...

Last I checked, this is a republican primary, not a vote for pastor.  If we eliminated all congresspeople who have been divorced, DC would be empty.  The fact that everyone would like their candidate to be pure as driven snow is a given - its NOT the outcome we got.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Bigun on July 21, 2016, 02:17:13 pm
Back on topic...

Cruz' speech of last night will grow larger over time. It will not diminish him.

ABSOLUTELY !

Best political speech since Reagan's  A time for Choosing IMHO!
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Silver Pines on July 21, 2016, 02:17:50 pm
Well Cruz DID hy-jack the convention....and unfortunately could have otherwise focused on just as you mentioned.......unifying the people.
Instead  he set a wedge in it as we see today continues by continuing to campaign.  Also sad to hear him mention Trumps attacks today as it certainly shows he's still nursing those wounds.....though understandable.....but it makes it see like he's a "sore" loser trying to gain sympathy at the wrong time.

I'm just reading your anti-Trump emails and laughing, lol.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: oldmomster on July 21, 2016, 02:17:57 pm
Liz Mair and Make America Awesome, a totally unaffiliated PAC, started it. Not "Cruzpac".

The truth matters.

Yes, I see that - my mistake.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on July 21, 2016, 02:19:02 pm

And Let me take this opportunity to pay a compliment, RIV. Your contributions and behavior throughout has been exemplary. Measured, calm, and with understanding and insight. Consider me one of your biggest fans.

Thank you @aligncare   You know I have always been one of yours.   :beer:
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Poser on July 21, 2016, 02:20:47 pm
You would prefer that Ted Cruz tell you to vote for them?

No. He should have kept his mouth shut and used his position in the senate to advance his political positions. That would have gone a long way to bolster his chances in the future. No one is asking Ted, or Kasich or Lindsay Graham to compromise their beliefs. Just show some class and realize that they are not the nominee and as members of the party, they should not oppose the election of the party's candidate.

Trump is  not Satan. He may or may not make a good President, but he will be a lot better than Hillary. He can only do  that if he gets elected.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Bigun on July 21, 2016, 02:21:19 pm
Problem is that most in the auditorium last night didn't see it that way, which is why he's trying to explain himself this morning to the Texas delegation.  When you have to explain what you just said, you have problems.  What he did last night was to solidify his standing with the right wing, but make a lot of enemies.  Not a good thing to do when planning his 2020 presidential aspirations.  It wouldn't have taken much to ask for unity against Hillary, but he just couldn't do that.  It hasn't ended his political career, just made his job much tougher.

Ted knew how much immediate blowback he was going to get  and said what needed saying anyway! He is a TRUE patriot and will be remembered as such in the long run!
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: driftdiver on July 21, 2016, 02:21:24 pm
Kasich at least did not go out in front of the crowd and try to exploit the opportunity of the national media spotlight to promote himself.  This was Cruz at his elf-serving worst.  I was a Cruz supporter and have yet to support Trump.  But I am intentionally not trying to rain on the Trump parade, as Cruz has done.

Cruz's real sin last night was remind everyone he would be a better President then Trump.

That's why the Trump team got their undies all twisted.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: WAC on July 21, 2016, 02:23:26 pm
I suggest that is the election appears close, that you bite the bullet and vote straight R. The disposition of the supreme court makes the choice obvious for me. Even a bad President can create long-term problems with his SCOTUS choices. Just look at Obama's choices.

Yes...

 Cruz said as much this morning....."From the 'top' all the way down to dog-catcher"......when he spoke to the Delegates from Texas regarding this election.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: skeeter on July 21, 2016, 02:23:58 pm
No. He should have kept his mouth shut and used his position in the senate to advance his political positions. That would have gone a long way to bolster his chances in the future. No one is asking Ted, or Kasich or Lindsay Graham to compromise their beliefs. Just show some class and realize that they are not the nominee and as members of the party, they should not oppose the election of the party's candidate.

Trump is  not Satan. He may or may not make a good President, but he will be a lot better than Hillary. He can only do  that if he gets elected.

Cruz opposed no one. He said we should vote our conscious. Vote for someone we can trust. Do you seriously think he was endorsing Hillary?

Honestly I do not know why Trump fans choose to interpret his comments the way they do.

Or maybe I do know why.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: chae on July 21, 2016, 02:24:30 pm
@oldmomster


I'm making the point that if you are going to get up on your high horse about pledges, you need to acknowledge that Donny boy has broken more than his fair share.  And also that he said in March point-blank that he wouldn't honor this "support the nominee" pledge if he didn't win.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on July 21, 2016, 02:24:49 pm
You would prefer that Ted Cruz tell you to vote for ?

:facepalm2:   Ah, the whole purpose of a political convention is to tell people in your party who to vote for.   
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Silver Pines on July 21, 2016, 02:25:18 pm
No. He should have kept his mouth shut and used his position in the senate to advance his political positions. That would have gone a long way to bolster his chances in the future. No one is asking Ted, or Kasich or Lindsay Graham to compromise their beliefs. Just show some class and realize that they are not the nominee and as members of the party, they should not oppose the election of the party's candidate.

Trump is  not Satan. He may or may not make a good President, but he will be a lot better than Hillary. He can only do  that if he gets elected.

But he won't shut up, nor should he.  He said this morning he'll keep speaking the truth. 
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Henry Noel on July 21, 2016, 02:27:18 pm
He encouraged people to to get out and vote for their families, vote for candidates they trust, and vote their conscious. And Trump fans are enraged.

Whats wrong with this picture.

It's because in order to vote for Trump you've got to park your conscience in the long-term lot.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: HoustonSam on July 21, 2016, 02:27:35 pm
There's nothing special about voting your conscience. All people do. That's why politics is so passionate, unpredictable, volatile. Where I vote the curtain closes behind me. Then it's just me, the ballot and my conscience. Real private like. Is it done a special way where you come from?

Quite well-stated, everyone always votes their own conscience, there is nothing special about it.  Stated differently, there is nothing offensive about encouragement to do so.  And yet the pro-Trump camp is in high dudgeon about precisely this unobjectionable, even mundane, encouragement.  Why?
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 21, 2016, 02:27:46 pm
I'm not so sure all supporters of Trump are mad.......rather they are disappointed that Cruz had the opportunity to unite the party and many wanted to hear that directly.....instead Cruz rode the edge of the party divisions by not endorsing Trump.......and with that continues to "campaign" and set the "standards" of what he has determined are the touch stones for voting. throughout this morning in speaking with the Texan Delegates and answering their questions......

So it's understandable certainly that some are angry.......they aren't looking to 2020 but to this very election.
From the end of Cruz' speech:
Quote
The case we have to make to the American people, the case each person in this room has to make to the American people is to commit to each of them that we will defend freedom, and be faithful to the Constitution. 

We will unite the party; we will unite the country by standing together for shared values by standing for liberty. God bless each and every one of you, and God bless the United States of America.

http://www.rollcall.com/news/politics/transcript-ted-cruz-convention-speech (http://www.rollcall.com/news/politics/transcript-ted-cruz-convention-speech)
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Mechanicos on July 21, 2016, 02:28:08 pm
Maybe a Trump supporter can explain something.

Cruz didn't say a single negative word about Trump.

In fact, he opened his speech with a congratulatory message to him.

Cruz encouraged people to vote their consciences, up and down the ticket.

What are y'all so mad about?
Because in the speech Cruz gave to the convention to load in the teleprompter at the end was a part about the need to defeat Clinton and the phrase "we must support the Trump-Pence ticket." Not an endorsement but a call to unify and support the ticket. This is why even Cruz's delegates there were booing him, his own donors wanted to attack him and hes getting slammed on his face book and twitter.

All the talk of values and conscious was the same lawyer speak for "do not vote Trump" just like it was during the anti Trump operation.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: thackney on July 21, 2016, 02:29:05 pm
No. He should have kept his mouth shut and used his position in the senate to advance his political positions. That would have gone a long way to bolster his chances in the future. No one is asking Ted, or Kasich or Lindsay Graham to compromise their beliefs. Just show some class and realize that they are not the nominee and as members of the party, they should not oppose the election of the party's candidate.

Trump is  not Satan. He may or may not make a good President, but he will be a lot better than Hillary. He can only do  that if he gets elected.

Interesting that you think requesting people to "vote for candidates up and down the ticket who you trust to defend our freedom, and to be faithful to the constitution" is in opposition to voting for Trump.  I did not read it that way.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: WAC on July 21, 2016, 02:29:36 pm
Ted knew how much immediate blowback he was going to get  and said what needed saying anyway! He is a TRUE patriot and will be remembered as such in the long run!

Of course he knew and why he had the meeting set up this morning with the Texas Delegates.....he rode the media hype all night into today....as Fox covered that meeting...... This gave him opportunity to carry on his 2020 campaign......while at the same time clarifying that voters should vote "Top to bottom" to prevent this nation from falling even further.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: sinkspur on July 21, 2016, 02:29:43 pm
Trump's Convention is falling apart because he's a terrible dealmaker and got rolled by Ted Cruz

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?topic=216795.new#new
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: skeeter on July 21, 2016, 02:30:31 pm
Because in the speech Cruz gave to the convention to load in the teleprompter at the end was a part about the need to defeat Clinton and the phrase "we must support the Trump-Pence ticket." Not an endorsement but a call to unify and support the ticket. This is why even Cruz's delegates there were booing him, his own donors wanted to attack him and hes getting slammed on his face book and twitter.

All the talk of values and conscious was the same lawyer speak for "do not vote Trump" just like it was during the anti Trump operation.

Your charge is ridiculous on its face. It sounds like childish crap straight out of the Trump campaign.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: sinkspur on July 21, 2016, 02:32:12 pm
Because in the speech Cruz gave to the convention to load in the teleprompter at the end was a part about the need to defeat Clinton and the phrase "we must support the Trump-Pence ticket." Not an endorsement but a call to unify and support the ticket. This is why even Cruz's delegates there were booing him, his own donors wanted to attack him and hes getting slammed on his face book and twitter.

All the talk of values and conscious was the same lawyer speak for "do not vote Trump" just like it was during the anti Trump operation.

The bolded above WAS NOT in the speech Cruz submitted to the RNC at 8:20 last night.   You're prevaricating.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: oldmomster on July 21, 2016, 02:32:43 pm
@oldmomster


I'm making the point that if you are going to get up on your high horse about pledges, you need to acknowledge that Donny boy has broken more than his fair share.  And also that he said in March point-blank that he wouldn't honor this "support the nominee" pledge if he didn't win.

as did the other two!!!  Notice Kasich is not getting flamed today - at least he didn't take up space and time, then not throw his support in.  Cruz should have given his speech elsewhere if he was not going to support the party candidate.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: sinkspur on July 21, 2016, 02:33:10 pm
Pet peeve:  It's "conscience." 

I presume you're all "conscious."
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: truth_seeker on July 21, 2016, 02:33:26 pm
I think you have hit the nail on the head here. If Trump wins, Cruz and Kasich's presidential chances are over forever and their chances for other high office are diminished. If Trump loses, Cruz and Kasich will be blamed and the result will be the same.

The smart thing would have been to urge others to vote strait R or say nothing at all. In my opinion, Cruz and Kasich have both ended their presidential chances forever.

Pence, Walker, Rubio, Perry and probably others as well, will look classy by comparison to sore-losers Cruz, Kasich and don't forget JebBush.

Cruz pitched to the faction that I call "Narrow But Loud," not a path to victory on a national scale.

His unappealing persona does not portend to making that faction bigger. Very poor political judgment, over and over.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 21, 2016, 02:34:31 pm
Kasich at least did not go out in front of the crowd and try to exploit the opportunity of the national media spotlight to promote himself.  This was Cruz at his elf-serving worst.  I was a Cruz supporter and have yet to support Trump.  But I am intentionally not trying to rain on the Trump parade, as Cruz has done.
Where, specifically, did Cruz 'rain on Trump's parade'?
Where did Cruz make this about himself?
He congratulated Trump, then gave a speech.

Here's a link to the transcript, to make it easier for you to point out the part:
http://www.rollcall.com/news/politics/transcript-ted-cruz-convention-speech (http://www.rollcall.com/news/politics/transcript-ted-cruz-convention-speech)
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: bilo on July 21, 2016, 02:35:06 pm
Kasich at least did not go out in front of the crowd and try to exploit the opportunity of the national media spotlight to promote himself.  This was Cruz at his elf-serving worst.  I was a Cruz supporter and have yet to support Trump.  But I am intentionally not trying to rain on the Trump parade, as Cruz has done.

The rain on the Trump parade was orchestrated by the Trump people. Trump had a copy of the speech 2 hrs before it was given. He knew what was going to be said and then at just the "right time" Trump shows up and the NY delegation starts yelling. Trump gets to pretend he's the injured party and Sen Cruz is so "bad" for not bowing down to him, or honoring a pledge neither party said they would.

Trump is probably going to lose because he doesn't have the capacity to make his opponents allies. His base instinct is to dominate and make everyone subservient to hm. There is a group within the Pub party that will not surrender their values and in the end they will never support someone who insists that they do.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: skeeter on July 21, 2016, 02:35:55 pm
It's because in order to vote for Trump you've got to park your conscience in the long-term lot.

Aerated my coffee.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Jazzhead on July 21, 2016, 02:36:17 pm
Interesting that you think requesting people to "vote for candidates up and down the ticket who you trust to defend our freedom, and to be faithful to the constitution" is in opposition to voting for Trump.  I did not read it that way.

Exactly.  In no way did he state opposition to voting for Trump.  Indeed, he explicitly endorsed many of Trump's themes, such as building "the wall".   The speech could have unified the party, but the booing Trumpsters wouldn't let it.   They demanded fealty, not support.   
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Bigun on July 21, 2016, 02:36:18 pm
The bolded above WAS NOT in the speech Cruz submitted to the RNC at 8:20 last night.   You're prevaricating.

flat out lying!
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Poser on July 21, 2016, 02:36:29 pm
Cruz opposed no one. He said we should vote our conscious. Vote for someone we can trust. Do you seriously think he was endorsing Hillary?

Honestly I do not know why Trump fans choose to interpret his comments the way they do.

Or maybe I do know why.

In my opinion, you do not.

Speaking at a political convention and not publicly endorsing the candidate is a very clear message that you do not endorse the candidate. Once the nominee is chosen, the only purpose of  the convention is to show unity and gain voters from those undecided people watching on television. The delegates of the convention knew that immediately. So did the viewing public.

You may not know why they interpreted his comments that way, but the fact remains that they did. Since they interpreted it that way in vast numbers, you are the outlier rather than the norm. Denying the results does not change them.

Ted hurt himself last night. That is very disappointing to me because he is the politician who best mirrors my values. I'm afraid that I will have to look elsewhere in the future. I was hoping he would use his position to push Trump in my direction for the foreseeable future. I fear that anything he has to say now will be dismissed. It's sad, really.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Resp3 on July 21, 2016, 02:36:40 pm

Honestly I do not know why Trump fans choose to interpret his comments the way they do.

Or maybe I do know why.

Trump fans are simply parroting the CNN liberals who were "shocked" at Ted's refusal to endorse that democrat.

There really is very little difference between the objectives of the liberals who hate Sen. Cruz and the Trumpanzees who hate Sen. Cruz.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: WAC on July 21, 2016, 02:37:45 pm
From the end of Cruz' speech:
http://www.rollcall.com/news/politics/transcript-ted-cruz-convention-speech (http://www.rollcall.com/news/politics/transcript-ted-cruz-convention-speech)

Yes, but his audience of thousands of  Trump Nominee supporters were there to officially declare Trump the winner.........and those who were speakers to support and endorse the winner. The whole idea of the Convention is to do just that and unify the party.......it's not what Cruz said.......it's what he failed to say that has everybody's pants in a knot.......and rightfully so.

Further those people weren't there to be "schooled" by Cruz on how to vote.....they already made that choice.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: skeeter on July 21, 2016, 02:38:31 pm
The rain on the Trump parade was orchestrated by the Trump people. Trump had a copy of the speech 2 hrs before it was given. He knew what was going to be said and then at just the "right time" Trump shows up and the NY delegation starts yelling. Trump gets to pretend he's the injured party and Sen Cruz is so "bad" for not bowing down to him, or honoring a pledge neither party said they would.

Trump is probably going to lose because he doesn't have the capacity to make his opponents allies. His base instinct is to dominate and make everyone subservient to hm. There is a group within the Pub party that will not surrender their values and in the end they will never support someone who insists that they do.

It did strongly resemble another Trump media charade.

And all the usual characters are falling right in line with the dialogue.



Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: 240B on July 21, 2016, 02:40:00 pm
As far as I can tell, and my access to information is currently limited, Ted did not say anything directly negative against Trump. But he also did not say anything directly negative against Hillary.

He seemed to just throw his hands up, shrug his shoulders, and say, Hey! You guys didn't pick me, so now I don't care who you vote for. Do what you want. I don't care.

Vote your conscience! (whatever that means?)

I don't care who you are. I don't care what the reasons are. That was very weird.

It would have been much better if he had just found a hole to hide in to sulk, and just stay out of it. Like all the old-timey establishment candidates did.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Silver Pines on July 21, 2016, 02:41:21 pm
Listening to the radio...Cruz's remarks this morning at, I believe, a breakfast with the Texas delegation:

"That pledge to support the nominee was voided when it became personal, when Donald Trump attacked my wife and my father."

"In no way am I obligated to come to heel like a servile puppy and support a man who attacks my wife and father."

Damn right.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: catfish1957 on July 21, 2016, 02:41:31 pm
Yes, but his audience of thousands of  Trump Nominee supporters were there to officially declare Trump the winner.........and those who were speakers to support and endorse the winner. The whole idea of the Convention is to do just that and unify the party.......it's not what Cruz said.......it's what he failed to say that has everybody's pants in a knot.......and rightfully so.

Further those people weren't there to be "schooled" by Cruz on how to vote.....they already made that choice.

Sad that we have allowed a buffoon to make the party of Reagan into an WWE organization and event.   When this fixation with reality TV politics finally ends, Cruz will be the grownup who returns conservative values to the party.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: WAC on July 21, 2016, 02:42:27 pm

Speaking at a political convention and not publicly endorsing the candidate is a very clear message that you do not endorse the candidate. Once the nominee is chosen, the only purpose of  the convention is to show unity and gain voters from those undecided people watching on television. .......The delegates of the convention knew that immediately. So did the viewing public.

Yes they did....and it's a dang shame those who oppose Trump keep spewing that these delegates didn't get what Cruz was saying.......they certainly did.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 21, 2016, 02:42:45 pm
Having grown children, Trump has made them proxies for the campaign. There is no, "the kids are off-limits" here. But there is another element at play. Trump, being in the evening of his days, is looking for legacy. He seeks to establish the Trump name alongside Bush and Kennedy. We see this thought pattern emerging among Trump sycophants, "I'd love to work for Eric and Ivanka," etc. Naturally this transfers to the political realm as well.
Weren't those the kids who couldn't vote for Daddy because the ink wasn't dry on their paperwork coming over from the Democrat Party or something like that?
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Resp3 on July 21, 2016, 02:43:53 pm
In my opinion, you do not.

Speaking at a political convention and not publicly endorsing the candidate is a very clear message that you do not endorse the candidate. Once the nominee is chosen, the only purpose of  the convention is to show unity and gain voters from those undecided people watching on television. The delegates of the convention knew that immediately. So did the viewing public.

You may not know why they interpreted his comments that way, but the fact remains that they did. Since they interpreted it that way in vast numbers, you are the outlier rather than the norm. Denying the results does not change them.

Ted hurt himself last night. That is very disappointing to me because he is the politician who best mirrors my values. I'm afraid that I will have to look elsewhere in the future. I was hoping he would use his position to push Trump in my direction for the foreseeable future. I fear that anything he has to say now will be dismissed. It's sad, really.

Honestly; don't you admire a man who entered the Lions Den to accept his "punishment" for coming in second? Don't you admire a man who stood up for his convictions? Or would you rather see Ted flip flop as Trump has done and endorsed that democrat?

Cruz could have stayed home and not spoke at the Convention. But that would have harmed him far greater as he would have been considered as a weak loser. It took great courage for Cruz to face his enemies (Trumpanzees) and take their attacks.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Poser on July 21, 2016, 02:44:30 pm
Listening to the radio...Cruz's remarks this morning at, I believe, a breakfast with the Texas delegation:

"That pledge to support the nominee was voided when it became personal, when Donald Trump attacked my wife and my father."

"In no way am I obligated to come to heel like a servile puppy and support a man who attacks my wife and father."

Damn right.

Exactly right. He has no reason to support Trump.  Butt... He could have kept his mouth shut and showed some class. He chose not to. That explains the title of this thread.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: thackney on July 21, 2016, 02:45:10 pm
Speaking at a political convention and not publicly endorsing the candidate is a very clear message that you do not endorse the candidate. Once the nominee is chosen, the only purpose of  the convention is to show unity and gain voters from those undecided people watching on television. The delegates of the convention knew that immediately. So did the viewing public.

You may not know why they interpreted his comments that way, but the fact remains that they did. Since they interpreted it that way in vast numbers, you are the outlier rather than the norm. Denying the results does not change them.

Ted hurt himself last night. That is very disappointing to me because he is the politician who best mirrors my values. I'm afraid that I will have to look elsewhere in the future. I was hoping he would use his position to push Trump in my direction for the foreseeable future. I fear that anything he has to say now will be dismissed. It's sad, really.

So, do you have the same criticism of Reagan for his 1976 speech after Ford was nominated?

https://reaganlibrary.archives.gov/archives/reference/8.19.76.html
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: skeeter on July 21, 2016, 02:45:17 pm
In my opinion, you do not.

Speaking at a political convention and not publicly endorsing the candidate is a very clear message that you do not endorse the candidate. Once the nominee is chosen, the only purpose of  the convention is to show unity and gain voters from those undecided people watching on television. The delegates of the convention knew that immediately. So did the viewing public.

You may not know why they interpreted his comments that way, but the fact remains that they did. Since they interpreted it that way in vast numbers, you are the outlier rather than the norm. Denying the results does not change them.

Ted hurt himself last night. That is very disappointing to me because he is the politician who best mirrors my values. I'm afraid that I will have to look elsewhere in the future. I was hoping he would use his position to push Trump in my direction for the foreseeable future. I fear that anything he has to say now will be dismissed. It's sad, really.

Its interesting how different people view the same event. Because of his speech last night and his refusal to compromise on principle to me Cruz has immensely enhanced his reputation and value as a representative in the Washington DC cesspool.

I wish I was a Texan so I could vote for his re-election to the senate.

My advise to Trump supporters would be to grow a set. A thin skinned lot they turned out to be.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 21, 2016, 02:45:39 pm
Last I checked, this is a republican primary, not a vote for pastor.  If we eliminated all congresspeople who have been divorced, DC would be empty.  The fact that everyone would like their candidate to be pure as driven snow is a given - its NOT the outcome we got.
By golly, you're right! A sacred vow is just not the same as some mangy ol' political pledge made in an election year.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: ABX on July 21, 2016, 02:45:47 pm
The political suicide we saw last night was of an entire party. We witnessed the death of the values based Republican Party last night. The final nail was when gown men were threatening Heidi Cruz to the point she had to walk out with armed security. This is now a party of mob rule, a party that booed the phrase 'voting your values', a party that booed 'voting for the Constitution', a party that booed when Cruz said " fight for freedom, to protect our God-given rights" , a party that booed 'Cast aside anger for love', a party that even booed when Cruz said "God Bless America". This split has been a long time coming. Even if you aren't a Ted Cruz fan, you owe him a debt of gratitude for exposing that.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: WAC on July 21, 2016, 02:47:33 pm
Sad that we have allowed a buffoon to make the party of Reagan into an WWE organization and event.   When this fixation with reality TV politics finally ends, Cruz will be the grownup who returns conservative values to the party.

Well Reagan was a Hollywood Star so that is just what it is...........and that's not going to change as the younger generations are fully sold on hype, excitement, entertainment, and someone who can raise the temperature in the room......most politicians today are understanding this regardless if it's the way to go or not........the same can be said of the churches today....many are all show and action....anything less than that is not in pace with contemperary society as it is today.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: bilo on July 21, 2016, 02:48:36 pm
Interesting analysis. I agree. Cruz was grandstanding and tried to grab the focus at the end of a race that he had lost. He should have been more gracious and humble. Going down the road he did at the GOP convention, which is meant to unify factions, was a fatal mistake.

I couldn't disagree more.

Sen Cruz was put in a position in which he was given no choice, but to take the position he did. It is the victor's responsibility to make peace with his opponent. Trump could have unified the party very easily by publicly apologizing for all the crude behavior and lies he perpetuated. He didn't instead when Sen Cruz spoke at the convention he orchestrated a demonstration in order to diminish Sen Cruz. In the end Trump will suffer the cost of his hubris. Sen Cruz took the high road last night and over time people will respect him for it. 

Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: etcb on July 21, 2016, 02:49:11 pm
To paraphrase Rush Limbaugh, Ted Cruz is living rent free in Trump's head.  Regardless of what transpired during the primary, Trump has the nomination and his opponent is Hillary Clinton, not Ted Cruz.  I can't understand how he and his supporters could think that destroying Senator Cruz would benefit them in a race with Sec. Clinton.  Senator Cruz could disappear in the next five minutes and that would not give Mr. Trump one more vote. 
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Night Hides Not on July 21, 2016, 02:51:00 pm
It did strongly resemble another Trump media charade.

And all the usual characters are falling right in line with the dialogue.

Hillary and her allies better be prepared. While she'll have a billion bucks to spend on negative ads, Trump knows how to dominate the media.

IMO, Cruz's fatal error was getting into the mud with Trump. His speech last night is a recognition that Senator Cruz learned his lesson.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: oldmomster on July 21, 2016, 02:52:26 pm
By golly, you're right! A sacred vow is just not the same as some mangy ol' political pledge made in an election year.

did you miss the part about Trump winning? 

whether or not we agree with his morals?  when we are faced with a dem'RAT who called off a rescue team and let Americans die?  when a dem'RAT president will be flying refugees by the thousands and settling them in OUR small midwest towns since the cities are already ruined by home-grown blm terrorists?

you're right - my priorities are just so screwed up that I would place the safety of my children ahead of the hope that sometime in the not too distant future we might MIGHT get the perfect candidate.  I give - you're right - I'll just stay home and not vote at all.  You convinced me.  Thanks.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 21, 2016, 02:53:39 pm
Interesting that you think requesting people to "vote for candidates up and down the ticket who you trust to defend our freedom, and to be faithful to the constitution" is in opposition to voting for Trump.  I did not read it that way.
Usually people are most conflicted when their actions do not conform to their innermost beliefs. That makes them unhappy, angry, even. They really, really hate being reminded of that, too. How many Trump supporters support Trump only to try to keep Hillary out of office, despite polls which indicated he would lose to her, because he was presented as a "winner"? Maybe they aren't so sure, now.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: EasyAce on July 21, 2016, 02:53:47 pm
Sen Cruz was put in a position in which he was given no choice, but to take the position he did. It is the victor's responsibility to make peace with his opponent. Trump could have unified the party very easily by publicly apologizing for all the crude behavior and lies he perpetuated. He didn't instead when Sen Cruz spoke at the convention he orchestrated a demonstration in order to diminish Sen Cruz. In the end Trump will suffer the cost of his hubris. Sen Cruz took the high road last night and over time people will respect him for it.

Indeed. Donaldus Minimus should be grateful that Mr. Cruz didn't do what he'd have been wholly justified
in doing as regards any expected endorsement of a man who insulted his wife and accused his father
of being part of a presidential assassination. Mr. Cruz would have been within all rights to tell Donaldus
Minimus, "Pick up your marbles and get the f@ck out of my face and don't come back." The high road
merely ennobled Mr. Cruz and was far more than Donaldus Minimus deserves.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Poser on July 21, 2016, 02:55:08 pm
Honestly; don't you admire a man who entered the Lions Den to accept his "punishment" for coming in second? Don't you admire a man who stood up for his convictions? Or would you rather see Ted flip flop as Trump has done and endorsed that democrat?

Cruz could have stayed home and not spoke at the Convention. But that would have harmed him far greater as he would have been considered as a weak loser. It took great courage for Cruz to face his enemies (Trumpanzees) and take their attacks.

No. I don't admire his actions. Rather, I admire the actions of Ronald Reagan when faced with the same situation.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: skeeter on July 21, 2016, 02:55:39 pm
I couldn't disagree more.

Sen Cruz was put in a position in which he was given no choice, but to take the position he did. It is the victor's responsibility to make peace with his opponent. Trump could have unified the party very easily by publicly apologizing for all the crude behavior and lies he perpetuated. He didn't instead when Sen Cruz spoke at the convention he orchestrated a demonstration in order to diminish Sen Cruz. In the end Trump will suffer the cost of his hubris. Sen Cruz took the high road last night and over time people will respect him for it.

It would be so easy for Trump to turn Cruz's speech into a plus for himself tomorrow, and win many of Cruz's supporters votes as well.

He could be respectful, he could restore his relationship with Cruz, he could embrace the values Cruz spoke of and claim he hoped we would all see him as the candidate to carry them forward.

I would be pleasantly surprised if he did. But I'm pretty certain he won't. Trump just doesn't have it in him.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: WAC on July 21, 2016, 02:56:22 pm
......We witnessed the death of the values based Republican Party last night.......This is now a party of mob rule, a party that booed the phrase 'voting your values', a party that booed 'voting for the Constitution', a party that booed when Cruz said " fight for freedom, to protect our God-given rights" , a party that booed 'Cast aside anger for love', a party that even booed when Cruz said "God Bless America". ........

They weren't  booing those statements....they were booing Cruz's refusal to endorse Trump....and failing this even after they chanted "endorse Trump".....which is what a Convention is about.....speakers who support the Official Nominee and utilize the opportunity  for their endorsements. Cruz ignored their pleas  and instead 'schooled" them on how they should vote. ..and basically continued his campaigning for 2020 by attempting to do as Reagan did........which nobody there was in a mood for after weathering the primary.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: skeeter on July 21, 2016, 02:56:46 pm
No. I don't admire his actions. Rather, I admire the actions of Ronald Reagan when faced with the same situation.

Reagan didn't endorse Ford at the '76 convention either.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Resp3 on July 21, 2016, 02:57:25 pm
Exactly right. He has no reason to support Trump.  Butt... He could have kept his mouth shut and showed some class. He chose not to. That explains the title of this thread.


The title of this thread is a Gateway Trumpist lie. Trumpists (like all liberals) who would put a slanted spin on the truth.

Ted was booed. But by a small minority. He certainly was not booed off the stage.

And it took courage and class for Cruz to take to the stage and face his enemies. Had he stayed home - he would have sent the message that he was a weak sore loser.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Jazzhead on July 21, 2016, 02:58:35 pm
you're right - my priorities are just so screwed up that I would place the safety of my children ahead of the hope that sometime in the not too distant future we might MIGHT get the perfect candidate. 

What you're saying is that you are voting your conscience.   That's all that Cruz was saying too.

But the Trumpsters have to make this about ring-kissing. 
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: catfish1957 on July 21, 2016, 02:58:55 pm
To paraphrase Rush Limbaugh, Ted Cruz is living rent free in Trump's head.  Regardless of what transpired during the primary, Trump has the nomination and his opponent is Hillary Clinton, not Ted Cruz.  I can't understand how he and his supporters could think that destroying Senator Cruz would benefit them in a race with Sec. Clinton.  Senator Cruz could disappear in the next five minutes and that would not give Mr. Trump one more vote.

Trump may not get the normal post convention bounce, because he allowed the narrative to focus on Cruz, plagiarized speeches, and tactics that mimic a WWE spectacle, rather than his agenda  Hitlerly thanks him.

Oops...   My bad.  I forgot.......Trump has no agenda.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: ABX on July 21, 2016, 02:59:31 pm
No. I don't admire his actions. Rather, I admire the actions of Ronald Reagan when faced with the same situation.

Reagan did almost the same thing with a very similar speech, and unlike what is going around, no, he didn't endorse Ford in his 76 speech.
This link has the full text of Reagan's speech, not a single endorsement of Ford, even a hint at it. He just talked about values, like Cruz did last night.
http://www.redstate.com/streiff/2016/07/20/ronald-reagan-ever-endorse-gerald-ford/

You'll notice something striking, the speeches are very, very similar-
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Resp3 on July 21, 2016, 03:00:05 pm
No. I don't admire his actions. Rather, I admire the actions of Ronald Reagan when faced with the same situation.

You seem confused and conflicted. Cruz took the same approach as Regan did. Are you paying attention to other comments on this thread that remind us that Reagan didn't endorse Ford?

Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: bilo on July 21, 2016, 03:00:30 pm
It did strongly resemble another Trump media charade.

And all the usual characters are falling right in line with the dialogue.

Reality TV was what one of the CNN panel pointed out. The mob is all "cranked up" and shouting fealty to their leader, but in the end you can't win elections by denouncing people who have values. You have to make these people your allies. Trump and his supporters don't know how to do this.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Mechanicos on July 21, 2016, 03:01:32 pm
Reagan didn't endorse Ford at the '76 convention either.
Yes Reagan did endorse Ford before the speech so it was a non-issue. Funny how the Antis love to create fiction over reality.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Poser on July 21, 2016, 03:01:37 pm
Reagan didn't endorse Ford at the '76 convention either.

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/07/21/ted-cruz-did-not-endorse-donald-trump-but-ronald-reagan-supported-gerald-ford-to-win/

From the article:

Reagan did not formally use the term “I endorse” when speaking about Ford, but he clearly called for a Ford victory as soon as he took the stage.

Reagan referred to Ford’s running mate, Bob Dole, as the “vice president to be,” prompting applause from the crowd of delegates.

“We must go forth from here united, determined that what a great general said a few years ago is true: There is no substitute for victory, Mr. President,” Reagan said in closing.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: ABX on July 21, 2016, 03:01:57 pm
They weren't  booing those statements....they were booing Cruz's refusal to endorse Trump....and failing this even after they chanted "endorse Trump".....which is what a Convention is about.....speakers who support the Official Nominee and utilize the opportunity  for their endorsements. Cruz ignored their pleas  and instead 'schooled" them on how they should vote. ..and basically continued his campaigning for 2020 by attempting to do as Reagan did........which nobody there was in a mood for after weathering the primary.

You just admitted something very telling about your own values and that of those who booed. -  If you take Cruz saying 'vote your values' as not endorsing Trump - you admit Trump does not follow your values.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: aligncare on July 21, 2016, 03:02:03 pm
did you miss the part about Trump winning? 

whether or not we agree with his morals?  when we are faced with a dem'RAT who called off a rescue team and let Americans die?  when a dem'RAT president will be flying refugees by the thousands and settling them in OUR small midwest towns since the cities are already ruined by home-grown blm terrorists?

you're right - my priorities are just so screwed up that I would place the safety of my children ahead of the hope that sometime in the not too distant future we might MIGHT get the perfect candidate.  I give - you're right - I'll just stay home and not vote at all.  You convinced me.  Thanks.

These people are riding 40-story high horses. Get back to earth! We have the most corrupt, incompetent person in the history of politics, Hillary Clinton, looming on the horizon...

Balls in your court #NeverTrumps. What's more important?  Faith, family, country, or your pride?
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Timber Rattler on July 21, 2016, 03:04:31 pm
These people are riding 40-story high horses. Get back to earth! We have the most corrupt, incompetent person in the history of politics, Hillary Clinton, looming on the horizon...

Balls in your court #NeverTrumps. What's more important?  Faith, family, country, or your pride?

Don't you have some patients, or something, to attend to?
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: thackney on July 21, 2016, 03:05:37 pm
No. I don't admire his actions. Rather, I admire the actions of Ronald Reagan when faced with the same situation.

You mean when Reagan did not endorse Ford at the convention after Ford won the nomination?

https://reaganlibrary.archives.gov/archives/reference/8.19.76.html
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: HoustonSam on July 21, 2016, 03:06:59 pm
As far as I can tell, and my access to information is currently limited, Ted did not say anything directly negative against Trump. But he also did not say anything directly negative against Hillary.

Cruz focuses on ideas, principles, and values.  He talks about people positively in order to maintain decorum, and negatively only when pushed to an extreme.  He was describing *what* people should vote *for*, not *whom* they should vote against.

There was a time, not long ago, when many of us wished for a candidate who would speak in precisely those terms.  A few of us still do.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on July 21, 2016, 03:07:22 pm
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/07/flashback-ted-cruz-promises-national-tv-endorse-donald-trump-video/

Guess its the fact that repub party twisted themselves into pretzels insinuating that Trump would not support the party if another candidate won.  Turns out its the OTHER guys who are not keeping their word.

People don't need to be told to vote their conscience - they do it anyway.  The delegates who tried to invalidate the votes of the citizens claimed they needed to vote their conscience instead of vote outcomes.  Maybe people are just tired of the games and the hair-splitting.

A pledge is a pledge.

He later in March said he would not, and with good reason as Trump attacked his values, his wife and his father.  No one in his right mind would support a person who is that poor a person.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/28/politics/ted-cruz-donald-trump-support/
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: thackney on July 21, 2016, 03:08:14 pm
Yes Reagan did endorse Ford before the speech so it was a non-issue. Funny how the Antis love to create fiction over reality.

Here is the speech:

https://reaganlibrary.archives.gov/archives/reference/8.19.76.html

Would you please point out the words of his endorsement?
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: bilo on July 21, 2016, 03:09:27 pm
The political suicide we saw last night was of an entire party. We witnessed the death of the values based Republican Party last night. The final nail was when gown men were threatening Heidi Cruz to the point she had to walk out with armed security. This is now a party of mob rule, a party that booed the phrase 'voting your values', a party that booed 'voting for the Constitution', a party that booed when Cruz said " fight for freedom, to protect our God-given rights" , a party that booed 'Cast aside anger for love', a party that even booed when Cruz said "God Bless America". This split has been a long time coming. Even if you aren't a Ted Cruz fan, you owe him a debt of gratitude for exposing that.

1,000x's  :amen:
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: skeeter on July 21, 2016, 03:10:38 pm
These people are riding 40-story high horses. Get back to earth! We have the most corrupt, incompetent person in the history of politics, Hillary Clinton, looming on the horizon...

Balls in your court #NeverTrumps. What's more important?  Faith, family, country, or your pride?

Faith, family, country - wasn't that what Trump's supporters were booing last night?

Who's pride was at stake again?
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: HoustonSam on July 21, 2016, 03:11:03 pm
The political suicide we saw last night was of an entire party. We witnessed the death of the values based Republican Party last night. The final nail was when gown men were threatening Heidi Cruz to the point she had to walk out with armed security. This is now a party of mob rule, a party that booed the phrase 'voting your values', a party that booed 'voting for the Constitution', a party that booed when Cruz said " fight for freedom, to protect our God-given rights" , a party that booed 'Cast aside anger for love', a party that even booed when Cruz said "God Bless America". This split has been a long time coming. Even if you aren't a Ted Cruz fan, you owe him a debt of gratitude for exposing that.

Amen.  The Republican establishment seriously damaged the Republican party during the last 8 years (or longer), but the Trump movement killed it.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: catfish1957 on July 21, 2016, 03:11:25 pm
1,000x's  :amen:
God Bless Ted Cruz

Cruz 2020
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on July 21, 2016, 03:11:37 pm
Since he is a Republican, he should not have attended the convention

There are a lot of reasons other than a presidential candidate that occur to go to a convention, like meeting with supporters, party platform.

You imply nominating a presidential candidate is that is all that there is.  wrong.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Eowyn on July 21, 2016, 03:13:26 pm
Reagan didn't endorse Ford at the '76 convention either.

Yeah, at some point Trump supporters really should stop with the lies.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Bigun on July 21, 2016, 03:14:11 pm
Amen.  The Republican establishment seriously damaged the Republican party during the last 8 years (or longer), but the Trump movement killed it.

I currently have no party at the national level!
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Just_Victor on July 21, 2016, 03:15:08 pm
Yeah, at some point Trump supporters really should stop with the lies.

It's all they have left.  They abandoned everything else in order to support their candidate.

Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Mechanicos on July 21, 2016, 03:16:36 pm
Here is the speech:

https://reaganlibrary.archives.gov/archives/reference/8.19.76.html

Would you please point out the words of his endorsement?
Its already been posted, do your own dam homework.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Poser on July 21, 2016, 03:17:26 pm
There are a lot of reasons other than a presidential candidate that occur to go to a convention, like meeting with supporters, party platform.

You imply nominating a presidential candidate is that is all that there is.  wrong.

OK. That's valid. If he attended, he should have kept his mouth shut.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: catfish1957 on July 21, 2016, 03:18:05 pm
Its already been posted, do your own dam homework.

No....bull shit.  Answer the f'n question.  There is reason you have no credibility here.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: thackney on July 21, 2016, 03:19:08 pm
Its already been posted, do your own dam homework.

Then we agree.  Reagan did NOT endorse Ford at the convention.  And for everyone else, read his full speech here:

https://reaganlibrary.archives.gov/archives/reference/8.19.76.html
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Texas Yellow Rose on July 21, 2016, 03:19:54 pm
  Butt... He could have kept his mouth shut and showed some class. He chose not to.

What?  Would you have had him NOT congratulate Donald Trump?  I suppose that was classless too.  What was classless about encouraging those who were considering staying home on election day to get out there and vote?  Mr Cruz spoke to his supporters.  He did a fine job and was the epitome of class. 
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Poser on July 21, 2016, 03:20:31 pm
No....bull shit.  Answer the f'n question.  There is reason you have no credibility here.

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/07/21/ted-cruz-did-not-endorse-donald-trump-but-ronald-reagan-supported-gerald-ford-to-win/

I posted the quotes near the bottom of the last page.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: bilo on July 21, 2016, 03:20:58 pm
It would be so easy for Trump to turn Cruz's speech into a plus for himself tomorrow, and win many of Cruz's supporters votes as well.

He could be respectful, he could restore his relationship with Cruz, he could embrace the values Cruz spoke of and claim he hoped we would all see him as the candidate to carry them forward.

I would be pleasantly surprised if he did. But I'm pretty certain he won't. Trump just doesn't have it in him.

You know if Trump did something like that I would have to re-evaluate not voting for Trump. You're right though, Trump would never take the high road and admit his mistakes.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Hoodat on July 21, 2016, 03:22:16 pm
No. I don't admire his actions. Rather, I admire the actions of Ronald Reagan when faced with the same situation.

Cruz did exactly as Reagan did in 1976.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on July 21, 2016, 03:23:03 pm
:facepalm2:   Ah, the whole purpose of a political convention is to tell people in your party who to vote for.

Wrong.

It is to establish a party platform and nominate candidates who espouse that platform.

In this country, no one 'tells' someone who to vote for.

When I lived in the UK, one voted a party, not anything else, and the party selected the candidates who would run for office.  There was not even a geographic element to it.

That just is not the way it is done here.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Poser on July 21, 2016, 03:24:59 pm
Cruz did exactly as Reagan did in 1976.

For the third time:
http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/07/21/ted-cruz-did-not-endorse-donald-trump-but-ronald-reagan-supported-gerald-ford-to-win/ (http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/07/21/ted-cruz-did-not-endorse-donald-trump-but-ronald-reagan-supported-gerald-ford-to-win/)
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: thackney on July 21, 2016, 03:25:16 pm
http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/07/21/ted-cruz-did-not-endorse-donald-trump-but-ronald-reagan-supported-gerald-ford-to-win/

I posted the quotes near the bottom of the last page.

That article points out the lack of actual endorsement by Reagan and the conflicting opinions that try to read an endorsement out of support for the party.  Like Cruz showed support stating "vote for candidates up and down the ticket who you trust to defend our freedom, and to be faithful to the constitution".

It is strange that some Trump supporters think that language excludes Donald Trump.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Mechanicos on July 21, 2016, 03:25:42 pm
No....bull shit.  Answer the f'n question.  There is reason you have no credibility here.
Reality check. Since I keep getting proven right and the Antis keep getting proven wrong the fact is I do have more credibility then the Anti's here. Kinda hard to claim you are credible with a 100 percent record of being wrong.

Now the issue is did Reagan support Ford to win? And the answer is yes. And your sources have lied to you by twisting the issue from support to endorse. Just like the issue last night was never about Cruz endorsing Trump, it was about supporting him like Reagan did with Ford - and his speech he provided beforehand said he was going to do.
http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/07/21/ted-cruz-did-not-endorse-donald-trump-but-ronald-reagan-supported-gerald-ford-to-win/
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Mechanicos on July 21, 2016, 03:27:05 pm
That article points out the lack of actual endorsement by Reagan and the conflicting opinions that try to read an endorsement out of support for the party.  Like Cruz showed support stating "vote for candidates up and down the ticket who you trust to defend our freedom, and to be faithful to the constitution".

It is strange that some Trump supporters think that language excludes Donald Trump.
Its dishonest to make the issue endorsement when the issue, even in the pledge was about SUPPORT. If you have to lie to make you point you have no point.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Poser on July 21, 2016, 03:28:20 pm
That article points out the lack of actual endorsement by Reagan and the conflicting opinions that try to read an endorsement out of support for the party.  Like Cruz showed support stating "vote for candidates up and down the ticket who you trust to defend our freedom, and to be faithful to the constitution".

It is strange that some Trump supporters think that language excludes Donald Trump.

Saying "vote your conscience" is in no way similar to, "We must go forth from here united, determined that what a great general said a few years ago is true: There is no substitute for victory, Mr. President.”
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: driftdiver on July 21, 2016, 03:29:06 pm
OK. That's valid. If he attended, he should have kept his mouth shut.

Until mean he should a kept his mouth shut after being asked to speak?
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Eowyn on July 21, 2016, 03:29:41 pm
Its already been posted, do your own dam homework.

Reagan called for unity.  Cruz called for unity.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: catfish1957 on July 21, 2016, 03:29:53 pm
Reality check. Since I keep getting proven right and the Antis keep getting proven wrong the fact is I do have more credibility then the Anti's here. Kinda hard to claim you are credible with a 100 percent record of being wrong.

Now the issue is did Reagan support Ford to win? And the answer is yes. And your sources have lied to you by twisting the issue from support to endorse. Just like the issue last night was never about Cruz endorsing Trump, it was about supporting him like Reagan did with Ford - and his speech he provided beforehand said he was going to do.
http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/07/21/ted-cruz-did-not-endorse-donald-trump-but-ronald-reagan-supported-gerald-ford-to-win/

Everyone is tired of your obfuscating bull shit.  Answer the damn question.  Where exactly in Reagan's speech did he endorse Ford?

How hard is it to do that?
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: skeeter on July 21, 2016, 03:31:38 pm
That article points out the lack of actual endorsement by Reagan and the conflicting opinions that try to read an endorsement out of support for the party.  Like Cruz showed support stating "vote for candidates up and down the ticket who you trust to defend our freedom, and to be faithful to the constitution".

It is strange that some Trump supporters think that language excludes Donald Trump.

You post the speech transcript, they post opinion editorials.

'Nuff said.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: bilo on July 21, 2016, 03:33:16 pm
God Bless Ted Cruz

Cruz 2020


You bet!

I really began to follow politics and formed my beliefs when Ronald Reagan ran for POTUS against Carter. I remember all the criticism of him in the media. He actually believed in things like individual liberty, limited govt., strong defense, and right vs. wrong. The GOPe hated him for it. They hated him once he was elected because he actually wanted to do what he said he would do. Sen Cruz is receiving the same treatment that Reagan did in his pre POTUS years. Sen Cruz will be vindicated.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Hoodat on July 21, 2016, 03:33:29 pm
You know if Trump did something like that I would have to re-evaluate not voting for Trump. You're right though, Trump would never take the high road and admit his mistakes.

If Trump did ANYTHING Conservative, I would gladly re-evaluate.  But it's been over a year now, and I'm still waiting.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: GrouchoTex on July 21, 2016, 03:33:35 pm
May I politely request, that those who are so inclined, go and read the entire transcripts of both Reagan's 1976 speech and Cruz's 2016 speech?
They are both quite good, if you take away the theatrics that both were originally surrounded by.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: driftdiver on July 21, 2016, 03:34:47 pm
Everyone is tire of your obfuscating bull shit.  Answer the damn question.  Where exactly in Reagan's speech did he endorse Ford?

How hard is it to do that?

The ignore feature has worked wonders for my blood pressure.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: thackney on July 21, 2016, 03:35:29 pm
Its dishonest to make the issue endorsement when the issue, even in the pledge was about SUPPORT. If you have to lie to make you point you have no point.

Ted Cruz's actual words:

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...And, if we stand together and choose freedom, our future will be brighter. Freedom will bring back jobs and raise wages. Freedom will lift people out of dependency to the dignity of work. 

We can do this. Forty-Seven years ago to this day, America put the very first man on the moon. 

That was the power of freedom. Our party, the Republican party, was founded to defeat slavery...

...We will unite the party; we will unite the country by standing together for shared values by standing for liberty....

Are claiming that is not support?  At the Republican Party Convention talking about standing together and uniting the party?

As for the pledge, you mean the pledge that Trump rescinded???

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/03/30/trump-rescinds-pledge-to-back-republican-nominee-cruz-kasich-refuse-to-commit-support.html
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Hoodat on July 21, 2016, 03:35:53 pm
You bet!

I really began to follow politics and formed my beliefs when Ronald Reagan ran for POTUS against Carter. I remember all the criticism of him in the media. He actually believed in things like individual liberty, limited govt., strong defense, and right vs. wrong. The GOPe hated him for it. They hated him once he was elected because he actually wanted to do what he said he would do. Sen Cruz is receiving the same treatment that Reagan did in his pre POTUS years. Sen Cruz will be vindicated.

It's no coincidence that Trump hired the last guy to beat Reagan - Paul Manafort.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Eowyn on July 21, 2016, 03:36:01 pm
Exactly.  In no way did he state opposition to voting for Trump.  Indeed, he explicitly endorsed many of Trump's themes, such as building "the wall".   The speech could have unified the party, but the booing Trumpsters wouldn't let it.   They demanded fealty, not support.

EXACTLY!!!
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: bilo on July 21, 2016, 03:36:14 pm
I currently have no party at the national level!

When people shake off their anger and start thinking again we will rebuild the party.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: ABX on July 21, 2016, 03:37:06 pm
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Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Hurricane Andrew on July 21, 2016, 03:38:18 pm
Freepers 2008 - We won't support McCain just because he's the nominee.

Freepers 2012 - We won't support Romney just because he's the nominee.

Freepers 2016 - We must support Trump because he's the nominee.

At least the GOPe, as much as I despise them, are consistent.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 21, 2016, 03:40:01 pm
Yes, but his audience of thousands of  Trump Nominee supporters were there to officially declare Trump the winner.........and those who were speakers to support and endorse the winner. The whole idea of the Convention is to do just that and unify the party.......it's not what Cruz said.......it's what he failed to say that has everybody's pants in a knot.......and rightfully so.

Further those people weren't there to be "schooled" by Cruz on how to vote.....they already made that choice.
I think they had already declared Trump the winner.
Now, I admit, I am confused. I didn't see anything divisive in the transcript, even though some assert that. So, here it is: Please point out where he thought he disrespected Trump. Please point out the statements he made you take issue with. and point out the things he didn't say YOU think he should have said, while keeping in mind it's his speech. You want to make one, go to Cleveland and maybe they'll let you on the mike.
Transcript follows: (bold, italics and underlining are mine)
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  Thank you, and god bless each and every one of you. 

Heidi and I are so honored to join you here in Cleveland where LeBron James just lead an incredible comeback victory, and I am convinced America is going to come back too. 

I want to congratulate Donald Trump on winning the nomination last night.
And, like each of you, I want to see the principles that our party believes prevail in November. 

 
Conventions are times of excitement, but given the events of the last few weeks I hope you'll allow me a moment to talk to you about what's really at stake.
Just two weeks ago a nine-year-old girl named Caroline was living a carefree Texas summer. Swimming in the pool, playing with friends, doing all the things a happy child might do. Like most children, she relied upon the love that she received from her mom, Heidi, and her dad, a police sergeant named Michael Smith.
 That is until he became one of the five police officers gunned down in Dallas. 

The day her father was murdered, Caroline gave him a hug and a kiss as he left for work, but as they parted her dad asked her something he hadn't asked before. "What if this is the last time you ever kiss or hug me?" 
Later, as she thought of her fallen father, and that last heart breaking hug, Caroline broke down into tears. How could anything ever be OK again? Michael Smith was a former Army Ranger who spent decades with the Dallas police department. I have no idea who he voted for in the last election, or what he thought about this once, but his life was a testament to devotion.
 He protected the very protesters who mocked him because he loved his country, and his fellow man. His work gave new meaning to that line from literature, "To die of love is to live by it." 

As I thought about what I wanted to say tonight, Michael Smith's story weighed on my heart. Maybe That's because his daughter Caroline is about the same age as my eldest daughter, and happens to share the same name. Maybe it's because I saw a video of that dear, sweet child choking back sobs as she remembered her Daddy's last question to her. 

Maybe it's because we live in a world where so many others have had their lives destroyed by evil in places like Orlando, and Paris, and Nice, and Baton Rouge. Maybe it's because of the simple question itself. What if this right now is our last time? Our last moment to do something for our families, and our country? Did we live up to the values we say we believe? Did we do all we really could? 

That's really what elections should be about. That's why you and millions like you devoted so much time and sacrifice to this campaign. We're fighting not for one particular candidate, or one campaign, but because each of wants to be able to tell our kids and grandkids, our own Caroline's, that we did our best for their future and our country. 

America is more than just a land mass between two oceans, America is an ideal. A simple, yet powerful ideal. Freedom matters. 

For much of human history government power has been the unavoidable constant in life. Government decrees and the people obey, but not here. We have no king or queen, we have no dictator, we the people constrain government. 

Our nation is exceptional because it was built on the five most beautiful and powerful words in the English language, "I want to be free." 

Never has that message been more needed than today. We stand here tonight a nation divided. Partisan rancor, anger, even hatred are tearing America apart. And citizens are furious, rightly furious, at a political establishment that cynically breaks its promises, and that ignores the will of the people. 

We have to do better. We owe our fallen heroes more than that. 

Now, of course, Obama and Clinton will also tell you that they care about our children's future, and I want to believe them but there is a profound difference about our two party's vision for the future. 

There's is the part that thinks ISIS is a J.V. team, that responds to the death of Americans in Benghazi, "What difference does it make?" And, that thinks it's possible to make a deal with Iran that celebrates its holidays, "Death to America Day," and, "Death to Israel Day." 

My friends, this is madness. President Obama is a man who does everything backwards. He wants to close Guantanamo Bay, and open up our borders. He exports jobs, and imports terrorists. Enough is enough. 

And, I am here to tell you there is a better vision for our future. A return to freedom. 

On education your freedom to choose your child's education, even if you aren't as rich as Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama. 

On healthcare, your freedom to choose your own doctor without Obamacare. 

On taxes, your freedom to provide for your family without the IRS beating down your door. 

The Internet? Keep it free from taxes, free from regulation and don't give it away to Russia and China. 

Freedom means free speech, not politically correct safe spaces. 

Freedom means religious freedom, whether you are Christian, Jew, Muslim, or atheist. 

Whether you are gay, or straight, the Bill of Rights protects the rights of all of us to live according to our conscience. 

Freedom means the right to keep and bear arms, and to protect your family. 

Freedom means that every human life is precious and must be protected. 

Freedom means Supreme Court Justices who don't dictate policy, but instead follow the Constitution. 

And, freedom means recognizing that our Constitution allows states to choose policies that reflect local values. Colorado might decide something different than Texas. New York different than Iowa. That's the way it's supposed to be, diversity. 

If not, what's the point of having states to begin with? 

Now, Hillary Clinton believes that government should make virtually every choice in your life. Education, health care, marriage, speech, all dictated out of Washington. But, something powerful is happening, we've seen it in both parties, we've seen it in the United Kingdom's unprecedented Brexit vote to leave the European Union. 

Voters are overwhelmingly rejecting the political establishment, and overwhelmingly rejecting big government. 

That is a profound victory and it is one earned by each and every one of you. People are fed up with politicians who don't listen to them. Fed up with a corrupt system that benefits the elites instead of working men and women. 

We deserve an immigration system that puts America first, and yes, builds a wall to keep America safe. 

A government that stops admitting ISIS terrorists as refugees. We deserve trade policies that put the interests of American farmers over the interests that are funding the lobbyists. 

And, if we stand together and choose freedom, our future will be brighter. Freedom will bring back jobs and raise wages. Freedom will lift people out of dependency to the dignity of work. 

We can do this. Forty-Seven years ago to this day, America put the very first man on the moon. 

That was the power of freedom. Our party, the Republican party, was founded to defeat slavery. 

Abraham Lincoln, the first Republican president signed the Emancipation Proclamation. 

Together we passed the Civil Rights Act, and together we fought to eliminate Jim Crow Laws. 

That's our collective legacy, although the media will never share it with you. Those were fights for freedom, and so is this. 

Sergeant Michael Smith stood up to protect our freedom. So do the soldiers, and sailors, and airmen, and Marines everyday fighting radical Islamic terrorism. 

And, so did the family of Alton Sterling who bravely called to end the violence. So did the families of those murdered at the Charleston-Emanuel AME Church who forgave that hateful, bigoted, murder. 

And, so can we. We deserve leaders who stand for principle, who unite us all behind shared values, who cast aside anger for love. That is the standard we should expect from everybody. And, to those listening, please don't stay home in November. 

If you love our country, and love our children as much as you do, stand, and speak, and vote your conscience, vote for candidates up and down the ticket who you trust to defend our freedom, and to be faithful to the constitution. 

I appreciate the enthusiasm of the New York delegation. 

And I will tell you that it is love of freedom that has allowed millions to achieve their dreams. Like my mom, the first in her family to go to college, and my dad, who's here tonight, who fled prison and torture in Cuba. Coming to Texas with just $100 dollars sewn into his underwear. 

And it is over that I hope will bring comfort to a grieving nine- year-old girl in Dallas, and God willing, propel her to move forward, and dream, and soar, and make her daddy proud. We must make the most of our moments, to fight for freedom, to protect our God given rights, even if those with whom we don't agree so that when we are old and grey, and when our work is done, and when we give those we love one final kiss goodbye we will be able to say freedom matters and I was part of something beautiful. 

The case we have to make to the American people, the case each person in this room has to make to the American people is to commit to each of them that we will defend freedom, and be faithful to the Constitution. 

We will unite the party; we will unite the country by standing together for shared values by standing for liberty. God bless each and every one of you, and God bless the United States of America.

Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: sinkspur on July 21, 2016, 03:40:31 pm

Politics1.com
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Ted Cruz is a "disloyal Republican" - Rudy Giuliani

And then there's this:

"GIULIANI, DEFYING HIS PARTY, BACKS CUOMO FOR 4TH TERM"
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on July 21, 2016, 03:40:49 pm
OK. That's valid. If he attended, he should have kept his mouth shut.

So you do say being quiet and not endorsing a candidate is not the same as speaking and not endorsing a candidate?

What is the difference?

I think Ted giving a patriotic pep-talk and asking people to vote their conscience is superior to what you said he should have done.

Why is your way staying silent better?  Your candidate seems upstaged?  Reagan behaved the same way in his speech and did not stay silent.  Do you have a problem with Reagan too?
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: mlizzy on July 21, 2016, 03:42:37 pm
It would be so easy for Trump to turn Cruz's speech into a plus for himself tomorrow, and win many of Cruz's supporters votes as well.

He could be respectful, he could restore his relationship with Cruz, he could embrace the values Cruz spoke of and claim he hoped we would all see him as the candidate to carry them forward.

I would be pleasantly surprised if he did. But I'm pretty certain he won't. Trump just doesn't have it in him.
Great idea @sinkspur !! and wouldn't we all love to see him "restore his relationship with Cruz" through a public apology to TC [from the convention floor]? Could take seven years of prayers from the Carthusian Monks to make that fly! But we can all hope it could be sooner than that.

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Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: bilo on July 21, 2016, 03:42:51 pm
If Trump did ANYTHING Conservative, I would gladly re-evaluate.  But it's been over a year now, and I'm still waiting.

We both know it's not going to happen.

For me he would first have to apologize for all his lies and brutish behavior. I suppose he might do something like that in the last days of the campaign, but how credible would that be?
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: thackney on July 21, 2016, 03:43:10 pm
...Answer the damn question.  Where exactly in Reagan's speech did he endorse Ford?

How hard is it to do that?

Really hard since the words don't exist.  Reagan, like Cruz, used his convention speech to call for what is important values and party unity.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Eowyn on July 21, 2016, 03:45:12 pm
As far as I can tell, and my access to information is currently limited, Ted did not say anything directly negative against Trump. But he also did not say anything directly negative against Hillary.

He seemed to just throw his hands up, shrug his shoulders, and say, Hey! You guys didn't pick me, so now I don't care who you vote for. Do what you want. I don't care.

Vote your conscience! (whatever that means?)

I don't care who you are. I don't care what the reasons are. That was very weird.

It would have been much better if he had just found a hole to hide in to sulk, and just stay out of it. Like all the old-timey establishment candidates did.

ABSOLUTELY WRONG!  You really should read, watch, or listen to the speech.

From the speech:

Of course, Obama and Clinton will tell you that they also care about our children’s future. And I want to believe them. But there is a profound difference in our two parties’ visions for the future.

Theirs is the party that thinks ISIS is a “JV team,” that responds to the death of Americans at Benghazi by asking, “What difference does it make?” That thinks it’s possible to make a deal with Iran, which celebrates as holidays “Death to America Day” and “Death to Israel Day.”

My friends, this is madness.

President Obama is a man who does everything backwards – he wants to close Guantanamo Bay and open up our borders, he exports jobs and imports terrorists.

Enough is enough.

There is a better vision for our future: A return to freedom.

On education, your freedom to choose your child’s education, even if you aren’t as rich as Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama.

On healthcare, your freedom to choose your own doctor, without Obamacare.

On taxes, your freedom to provide for your family without the IRS beating down your door.

The Internet? Keep it free from taxes, free from regulation. And don’t give it away to Russia and China.

Freedom means free speech, not politically correct safe spaces.

Freedom means religious freedom, whether you are Christian or Jew, Muslim or atheist. Gay or straight, the Bill of Rights protects the rights of all of us to live according to our conscience.

Freedom means the right to keep and bear arms, and protect your family.

Freedom means Supreme Court Justices who don’t dictate policy, but instead follow the Constitution.

And freedom means recognizing that our Constitution allows states to choose policies that reflect local values. Colorado may decide something different than Texas. New York different than Iowa. Diversity. That’s the way it’s supposed to be. If not, what’s the point of having states to begin with?

Hillary Clinton believes government should make virtually every choice in your life. Education, healthcare, marriage, speech – all dictated out of Washington.

Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Silver Pines on July 21, 2016, 03:45:28 pm
Exactly right. He has no reason to support Trump.  Butt... He could have kept his mouth shut and showed some class. He chose not to. That explains the title of this thread.

The title of the thread is just more Trump supporter wishful thinking.

Cruz doesn't run and hide.  He shows leadership.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Night Hides Not on July 21, 2016, 03:50:38 pm
You bet!

I really began to follow politics and formed my beliefs when Ronald Reagan ran for POTUS against Carter. I remember all the criticism of him in the media. He actually believed in things like individual liberty, limited govt., strong defense, and right vs. wrong. The GOPe hated him for it. They hated him once he was elected because he actually wanted to do what he said he would do. Sen Cruz is receiving the same treatment that Reagan did in his pre POTUS years. Sen Cruz will be vindicated.

My first two presidential votes went to McGovern and Carter. In the "interlude" between '76 and '80, I was stationed in Germany, gaining valuable experience as an Air Defense Artillery officer. My fellow soldiers and I endured the Carter years, dealing with fund shortages for parts, maintenance, and training.

Fast forward to 1980, I knew that Reagan would be a far better President than Carter. I proved it to many of my German neighbors 2-3 times a week at the local gasthaus. They were convinced (by their media) that Reagan would start WWIII, so much so that Oma (the grandmother of the family from whom I rented an apartment) tearfully begged me to vote for Carter, "for the sake of her grandchildren."

Sidenote: one of the benefits of living off post was the lack of television. What few free evenings I had were spent reading, or taking German classes on post. I made my case for Reagan to my neighbors, in German, using what I knew about American, world, and military history. I didn't completely win them over until Inauguration Day, when Iran released the hostages.

A week or so later, I was invited to sit at the stammtische, a table reserved for family and close friends of the family. Most likely, it was recognition that I was one of their best customers, dining there a couple times a week. Still, it's an honor I cherish to this day.

Not bad for a young man of 26.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 21, 2016, 03:54:01 pm
Hillary and her allies better be prepared. While she'll have a billion bucks to spend on negative ads, Trump knows how to dominate the media.


Oh, they are not only prepared, they have already hit the ground with (iirc) 180 million in airtime. I have already seen an ad against Trump, a couple of weeks ago.
I wouldn't put too much stock in Trump's media domination at this point. His marketing department is going to be hard pressed to go head to head with Hillary and a MSM which has traditionally been in her camp, which has covered for her through all the bumps and jostles of the first two Clinton administrations, and right down the line since, minimizing or burying her sins and singing her praises.

Trump got a lot of free airtime during the primaries because it served two purposes: it kept Hillary's being investigated for treasonous activity out of the press, and it was good 'drama' and sold soap.

When it comes to the real contest, the MSM will not be in the Trump camp, and his freebie airtime is gone.

Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Mechanicos on July 21, 2016, 03:55:46 pm
Everyone is tired of your obfuscating bull shit.  Answer the damn question.  Where exactly in Reagan's speech did he endorse Ford?

How hard is it to do that?
You want to talk about Bullshit how about your changing the issue to "endorsement" when it was about "support" per the pledge and the same thing Reagan said was he support them. Support is NOT endorsement which is a much higher level. So the bullshiters are the ones here pulling the liberal game of moving the goal posts from Support as pledged to endorsing which was never the issue.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Oceander on July 21, 2016, 03:56:45 pm
Political suicide?

/snicker

political suicide was nominating Donald Trump.  Not endorsing Trump is simply refusing to drink the Jonestown Koolaid.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Eowyn on July 21, 2016, 04:00:36 pm
Political suicide?

/snicker

political suicide was nominating Donald Trump.  Not endorsing Trump is simply refusing to drink the Jonestown Koolaid.

 goopo

Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Texas Yellow Rose on July 21, 2016, 04:01:11 pm
Cruz doesn't run and hide.  He shows leadership.

(http://i65.tinypic.com/2nbvyb9.jpg)
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Rivergirl on July 21, 2016, 04:02:40 pm
DT has just now endorsed Erdogan.   What a brain, the biggest, best, smartest man in the world.
Seems Islamic jihadists will still have a friend in the white house if DT gets elected.
So thrilled to hear DT thugs trashing Cruz while loving on Erdogan and hating on NATO.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Silver Pines on July 21, 2016, 04:02:52 pm
Great idea @sinkspur !! and wouldn't we all love to see him "restore his relationship with Cruz" through a public apology to TC [from the convention floor]? Could take seven years of prayers from the Carthusian Monks to make that fly! But we can all hope it could be sooner than that.

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-J95SUBVGsJ0/VMFnZgzxuII/AAAAAAAAA5w/eELn59hH1SU/s1600/carthusian-monks-charterhouse-1.jpg)

Mlizzy, you know I respect you, my friend, but I don't think there was any relationship to begin with.  I would prefer they stay away from each other...you know the saying about light and darkness.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: wolfcreek on July 21, 2016, 04:03:29 pm
:bsflag: :bs: :bsflag: :bs::bsflag:

Politically brilliant move

Once Trump is exposed as the fraud that he is, Ted Cruz will come out like a hero.

I can't help that the TV punditry is so short sided, and collectively stupid. 

And to those NY delegate thugs who threatened MS. Cruz......  FU
  Cruz couldn't get enough people to like him this time. What makes anyone think 2020 wil be different? 

If Hillary wins and completes her agenda, no GOP candidate will get enough votes.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: catfish1957 on July 21, 2016, 04:04:18 pm
You want to talk about Bullshit how about your changing the issue to "endorsement" when it was about "support" per the pledge and the same thing Reagan said was he support them. Support is NOT endorsement which is a much higher level. So the bullshiters are the ones here pulling the liberal game of moving the goal posts from Support as pledged to endorsing which was never the issue.

Mechancos Credibility Crash part 2.

Can not answer simple question.   :silly:

I'm through, you've done enough damage to yourself today.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: wolfcreek on July 21, 2016, 04:08:05 pm
I'm not sure what you mean.  No one in my family is a democRAT, registered or otherwise.

Or if you are calling me a Clinton supporter, I intend to vote for Trump this fall.  As the Trump enthusiasts keep pointing out, he's better than Hillary.  IMHO being the "Not Hillary" candidate is a pretty weak campaign theme, but hey, you have to roll with what got.

Then I applaud you as a person who can see the.light. :)
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: ABX on July 21, 2016, 04:09:59 pm
As a reminder, Trump voided the pledge back in March.
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,216812.0.html
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: txradioguy on July 21, 2016, 04:11:31 pm
DT has just now endorsed Erdogan.   What a brain, the biggest, best, smartest man in the world.
Seems Islamic jihadists will still have a friend in the white house if DT gets elected.
So thrilled to hear DT thugs trashing Cruz while loving on Erdogan and hating on NATO.

Erdogan is pro Shari'a Law...pro ISIS and pro Islamic terrorism.

And Trump just endorsed all of that by endorsing Erdogan. 

Which means that now all the Trumpkins are backing a guy who eodorses the leader of a state that sponsors radical Islam and everything else that come with that.

They must be so proud of themselves.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: ABX on July 21, 2016, 04:13:40 pm
Erdogan is pro Shari'a Law...pro ISIS and pro Islamic terrorism.

And Trump just endorsed all of that by endorsing Erdogan. 

Which means that now all the Trumpkins are backing a guy who eodorses the leader of a state that sponsors radical Islam and everything else that come with that.

They must be so proud of themselves.

Worth repeating..
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: JustPassinThru on July 21, 2016, 04:16:01 pm
One can say Cruz doesn't even compare to Mike Pence per an accomplished career and following the constitution at that.

And one would be dishonest if he did.

Pence, although an acceptable conservative, IS part of the Political Establishment.

Cruz has been fighting, all his adult life, first and foremost as a Conservative.  Texas AG and Congressman; clerked under Scalia in the Supreme Court.  Hated and reviled by RINOs.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 21, 2016, 04:16:42 pm
did you miss the part about Trump winning? 

whether or not we agree with his morals?  when we are faced with a dem'RAT who called off a rescue team and let Americans die?  when a dem'RAT president will be flying refugees by the thousands and settling them in OUR small midwest towns since the cities are already ruined by home-grown blm terrorists?

you're right - my priorities are just so screwed up that I would place the safety of my children ahead of the hope that sometime in the not too distant future we might MIGHT get the perfect candidate.  I give - you're right - I'll just stay home and not vote at all.  You convinced me.  Thanks.
You're welcome. I figure the only reason Trump doesn't have a record of the sins Hillary does is no one had been keeping count: after all he hasn't had the opportunity to vote for or against something, call off a rescue team, or veto or sign a bill.
Hillary wasn't the one who could issue the Cross Border Authority for the rescue mission. That belongs to Obama, not that I am excusing what was likely an orchestrated 'snatch and grab' gone sour, so they could save face exchanging leading terrorists for the Ambassador and surviving staff. Two very brave Americans broke ranks and defended that annex giving others time and the opportunity to escape, and the people who set up the trade deal didn't come to their aid. Thinking they'd been betrayed, the terrorists killed them all.
Trump may get that opportunity to screw the pooch, and then we'll see how he does. Given the time he's spent backing water on his earlier positions just in the primaries, I don't really have any faith he'll do what's right.
I'm gong to vote, Constitution party at the top (Darrell Castle), and my conscience all the way down the ticket.
Just a thought. Not one person in the White Hut is going to make your children any safer on a day to day basis. That's your job.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: 240B on July 21, 2016, 04:35:14 pm
ABSOLUTELY WRONG!  You really should read, watch, or listen to the speech.

From the speech:

Of course, Obama and Clinton will tell you that they also care about our children’s future. And I want to believe them. But there is a profound difference in our two parties’ visions for the future.

Theirs is the party that thinks ISIS is a “JV team,” that responds to the death of Americans at Benghazi by asking, “What difference does it make?” That thinks it’s possible to make a deal with Iran, which celebrates as holidays “Death to America Day” and “Death to Israel Day.”

My friends, this is madness.

President Obama is a man who does everything backwards – he wants to close Guantanamo Bay and open up our borders, he exports jobs and imports terrorists.

Enough is enough.

There is a better vision for our future: A return to freedom.

On education, your freedom to choose your child’s education, even if you aren’t as rich as Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama.

On healthcare, your freedom to choose your own doctor, without Obamacare.

On taxes, your freedom to provide for your family without the IRS beating down your door.

The Internet? Keep it free from taxes, free from regulation. And don’t give it away to Russia and China.

Freedom means free speech, not politically correct safe spaces.

Freedom means religious freedom, whether you are Christian or Jew, Muslim or atheist. Gay or straight, the Bill of Rights protects the rights of all of us to live according to our conscience.

Freedom means the right to keep and bear arms, and protect your family.

Freedom means Supreme Court Justices who don’t dictate policy, but instead follow the Constitution.

And freedom means recognizing that our Constitution allows states to choose policies that reflect local values. Colorado may decide something different than Texas. New York different than Iowa. Diversity. That’s the way it’s supposed to be. If not, what’s the point of having states to begin with?

Hillary Clinton believes government should make virtually every choice in your life. Education, healthcare, marriage, speech – all dictated out of Washington.

Thank you for that. I missed that line.

Hillary Clinton believes government should make virtually every choice in your life. Education, healthcare, marriage, speech – all dictated out of Washington.

The rest of it is pretty well known boilerplate indictment of the entire Liberal movement in general, but not really anything about Trump being on the opposite side of all these things, or Trump being the one to lead the change. More like, here is a list of bad things on the other side. You figure out what you want to do about it.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 21, 2016, 04:36:23 pm
Its dishonest to make the issue endorsement when the issue, even in the pledge was about SUPPORT. If you have to lie to make you point you have no point.
So, essentially, you are saying the statement:
Quote
If you love our country, and love our children as much as you do, stand, and speak, and vote your conscience, vote for candidates up and down the ticket who you trust to defend our freedom, and to be faithful to the constitution.
excludes Trump? Otherwise, that would be support, now wouldn't it?
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: catfish1957 on July 21, 2016, 04:41:38 pm
So, essentially, you are saying the statement:excludes Trump? Otherwise, that would be support, now wouldn't it?

Easy on Mechanicos....  he's had a tough day :rolling:
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Just_Victor on July 21, 2016, 04:43:58 pm
Easy on Mechanicos....  he's had a tough day :rolling:

This sure is a long thread for someone who is on everyone's ignore list.

Jussayin'  10294

Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: biff on July 21, 2016, 04:44:45 pm
oldmonster - thanks but the real exhibition of your classy opinion was shown last night on the floor of the convention.  Yep, donnie is a "real" uniter, isn't he. But did you forget, he said he can win without conservatives?
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: catfish1957 on July 21, 2016, 04:45:06 pm
This sure is a long thread for someone who is on everyone's ignore list.

Jussayin'  10294

Not mine.  I like to laugh.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Just_Victor on July 21, 2016, 04:47:28 pm
Thank you for that. I missed that line.

Hillary Clinton believes government should make virtually every choice in your life. Education, healthcare, marriage, speech – all dictated out of Washington.

The rest of it is pretty well known boilerplate indictment of the entire Liberal movement in general, but not really anything about Trump being on the opposite side of all these things, or Trump being the one to lead the change. More like, here is a list of bad things on the other side. You figure out what you want to do about it.

It seems to me that it's up to Trump to demonstrate that he is the opposite of those things.  If it's not obvious that he is, then Trump's campaign isn't doing its job.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: 240B on July 21, 2016, 04:55:59 pm
It seems to me that it's up to Trump to demonstrate that he is the opposite of those things.  If it's not obvious that he is, then Trump's campaign isn't doing its job.

Good to know you Victor. It would seem that we may be fellow travelers. It is nice and comfortable to be level headed in the middle of all this chaos. I am enjoying it anyway. I will vote for Trump, but I would have voted Cruz had he won.

I'm easy-going about the whole thing. It is an experience watching so many heads explode around me. It reminds me of Kipling.

If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;

If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or being lied about, don't deal in lies,
Or being hated, don't give way to hating,
And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise:

If you can dream - and not make dreams your master;
If you can think - and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same;

If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to broken,
And stoop and build 'em up with wornout tools:

If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breathe a word about your loss;

If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: 'Hold on!'

If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
Or walk with kings - nor lose the common touch,
If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
If all men count with you, but none too much;

If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds' worth of distance run -
Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And - which is more - you'll be a Man my son!
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Lando Lincoln on July 21, 2016, 04:58:00 pm
This sure is a long thread for someone who is on everyone's ignore list.

Jussayin'  10294

I am emotionally unable to put anyone on ignore.  I tried it once, and I always had to take a look anyway.  I got LESS peace because of it.

I give Mechanicos his props, anyway.  He hasn't caused me any headaches.  I hope I haven't caused him any. 
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Mechanicos on July 21, 2016, 05:11:03 pm
Easy on Mechanicos....  he's had a tough day :rolling:
I had a great day. By now you should know what you think harms Trump never does. All I need to do is look at Cruz's Facebook and Twitter and see you are the outliers - and it makes me smile. His explanation was a talking point. Normal people know Cruz via his PAC fired off the wife war to head off the NE article. And that PAC got paid well for it by Cruz, half a mill.

Quote
That ongoing back and forth sniping is said to have been a planned event by the Cruz campaign to try and intermingle the Cruz-Trump dispute with the pending National Enquirer story in an effort to confuse voters as to what was really going on. Initially it appears to have worked as the Mainstream Media has focused almost entirely on the Trump-Cruz back and forth involving the defense of their respective wives, and almost no attention by this same Mainstream Media has been devoted to the Cruz sex scandal story.

Adding yet another layer of intrigue to the Enquirer edition, and seemingly very much linked to the Melania Trump ad, is the involvement of former Carly Fiorina campaign staffer, Liz Mair. Just days prior to Mair’s newly-formed Make America Awesome anti-Trump PAC initiated the now-infamous Melania Trump modeling pic political ad, came the endorsement of Ted Cruz by Mair’s former boss, Carly Fiorina. This in turn reminded some in the media to recall a very odd $500,000 transaction that took place between a Ted Cruz Super PAC and Carly Fiorina Super PAC back in July when both were still (apparently) competing against one another for the GOP nomination. The Washington Post detailed that half a million dollar donation with the following headline:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/07/31/why-did-a-ted-cruz-super-pac-donate-to-carly-fiorina/?postshare=9641458877974512&tid=ss_tw-bottom

http://dcwhispers.com/report-cruz-campaign-prepared-sex-scandal-story-several-weeks/#AJoswBgC2KtGEf4S.99

So to recap:
-- Cruz submitted a speech that had support (not endorsement) at the end for the Trump-Pence ticket.
-- Cruz went off script.
-- Trump and RNC apparently did not trust Cruz to be honest and had a contingency plan in place to nullify his sabotage.
-- Cruz was booed by the convention goers including his own Texas delegates.
-- People who knew what Cruz was supposed to say per his word that were on his side were so angry at least one tried to attack him.
-- This morning hes out doing damage control playing the poor little me card, but its not working as seen from social media to him.


Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Just_Victor on July 21, 2016, 05:14:35 pm
I am emotionally unable to put anyone on ignore.  I tried it once, and I always had to take a look anyway.  I got LESS peace because of it.

I give Mechanicos his props, anyway.  He hasn't caused me any headaches.  I hope I haven't caused him any.

My ignore list is empty too.  I use the ignore button God built into my brain.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Free Vulcan on July 21, 2016, 05:15:58 pm
I had a great day. By now you should know what you think harms Trump never does. All I need to do is look at Cruz's Facebook and Twitter and see you are the outliers - and it makes me smile. His explanation was a talking point. Normal people know Cruz via his PAC fired off the wife war to head off the NE article. And that PAC got paid well for it by Cruz, half a mill.

http://dcwhispers.com/report-cruz-campaign-prepared-sex-scandal-story-several-weeks/#AJoswBgC2KtGEf4S.99

So to recap:
-- Cruz submitted a speech that had support (not endorsement) at the end for the Trump-Pence ticket.
-- Cruz went off script.
-- Trump and RNC apparently did not trust Cruz to be honest and had a contingency plan in place to nullify his sabotage.
-- Cruz was booed by the convention goers including his own Texas delegates.
-- People who knew what Cruz was supposed to say per his word that were on his side were so angry at least one tried to attack him.
-- This morning hes out doing damage control playing the poor little me card, but its not working as seen from social media to him.

Suckers.

Like the rest of the Trump universe, you've spent the whole day ranting about Cruz, again.

The opponent here is Hillary Clinton, and she gets one day closer to winning without any negative attention.

Suckers.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 21, 2016, 05:16:14 pm
I had a great day. By now you should know what you think harms Trump never does. All I need to do is look at Cruz's Facebook and Twitter and see you are the outliers - and it makes me smile. His explanation was a talking point. Normal people know Cruz via his PAC fired off the wife war to head off the NE article. And that PAC got paid well for it by Cruz, half a mill.

http://dcwhispers.com/report-cruz-campaign-prepared-sex-scandal-story-several-weeks/#AJoswBgC2KtGEf4S.99

So to recap:
-- Cruz submitted a speech that had support (not endorsement) at the end for the Trump-Pence ticket.
-- Cruz went off script.
-- Trump and RNC apparently did not trust Cruz to be honest and had a contingency plan in place to nullify his sabotage.
-- Cruz was booed by the convention goers including his own Texas delegates.
-- People who knew what Cruz was supposed to say per his word that were on his side were so angry at least one tried to attack him.
-- This morning hes out doing damage control playing the poor little me card, but its not working as seen from social media to him.
So, the orchestrated booing was in response to him going off script. Were there prompters in the front row?

I'll take a man who can think for himself over an automaton any day, thanks. Cruz will come out of this just fine, and Trump will have to stand or fail on his own merits.

 :pop41:
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Hoodat on July 21, 2016, 05:17:09 pm
Wow, Mechanicos.  Your boy Trump officially gets the nomination, yet you are still here telling lies about Cruz.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 21, 2016, 05:18:21 pm
Wow, Mechanicos.  Your boy Trump officially gets the nomination, yet you are still here telling lies about Cruz.
It is beginning to seem like an unhealthy fixation.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: catfish1957 on July 21, 2016, 05:21:54 pm
It is beginning to seem like an unhealthy fixation.

Still wondering what Mechanicos Freeper name is.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: ScottinVA on July 21, 2016, 05:22:25 pm
I've watching these prez campaigns for over fify years. I've never, ever seen a candidate from either major party call the names, the slander, the insults Trump has called the other Republican candidates. I was hoping Cruz had the character not to cave, and he didn't disappoint me.

Exactly.. and if Cruz' endorsement of the GOP "up and down the ticket" isn't enough for the Trump worshippers, screw 'em.  Cruz is wise not to give a full endorsement to a candidate that has no possibility of winning.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Just_Victor on July 21, 2016, 05:23:23 pm
Still wondering what Mechanicos Freeper name is.

I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or not, but it's Mechanicos at TOS too.


Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: catfish1957 on July 21, 2016, 05:23:37 pm
Exactly.. and if Cruz' endorsement of the GOP "up and down the ticket" isn't enough for the Trump worshippers, screw 'em.  Cruz is wise not to give a full endorsement to a ticket that has no possibility of winning.

Proud of Cruz.  Instead of kissing the ring.......  He pissed on it.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Mechanicos on July 21, 2016, 05:24:29 pm
Still wondering what Mechanicos Freeper name is.
Its the same as here.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: ScottinVA on July 21, 2016, 05:24:58 pm
Still wondering what Mechanicos Freeper name is.

It's "Mechanicos" over there, too.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: mountaineer on July 21, 2016, 05:26:50 pm
Erdogan is pro Shari'a Law...pro ISIS and pro Islamic terrorism.

And Trump just endorsed all of that by endorsing Erdogan. 
So DT, Obama and HRC essentially stand on the same side of that issue. Quelle surprise.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 21, 2016, 05:29:37 pm
Still wondering what Mechanicos Freeper name is.
http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/by:mechanicos/index?brevity=full;tab=comments (http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/by:mechanicos/index?brevity=full;tab=comments)
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Bigun on July 21, 2016, 05:32:10 pm
If Trump did ANYTHING Conservative, I would gladly re-evaluate.  But it's been over a year now, and I'm still waiting.

You'll be waiting a lot longer IMHO!
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Hoodat on July 21, 2016, 05:32:18 pm
If Hillary wins and completes her agenda, no GOP candidate will get enough votes.

Yeah, but Trump would have beaten Cruz, destroyed the Republican Party, and set the Conservative movement back decades.  That's all that matters now.  Trump doesn't even act like Hillary is his opponent.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: washi on July 21, 2016, 05:32:44 pm
Cruz signed a pledge to support the GOP nominee.
Trump is that nominee.
It's clear, from Cruz's statements this morning, that his reasons for not endorsing Trump are personal, i.e. Trump attacked Cruz's wife and father.

Trump is a dirtbag for doing so, and he did do so despite the revisionist arguments to the contrary by his most ardent, blind supporters.

I've been a Cruz supporter, that's why I was "suspended" from FR, but he needs to man up, put his ego aside, and endorse Trump.

He could have called Trump out on his dirty campaigning in his speech, and still endorse him for the good of the country by conceding that Trump is a far better choice for the country than Hillary.


On a side note, I do, guiltily, still lurk over at FR. It is almost infuriating to see the Trump retards over there posting "Where are the Cruz supporters now?! Why aren't they defending Cruz now?!"

Well, idiot, your thin-skinned leader, Jim Rob, banned or suspended us so he didn't have to have his kool-ade drinking support of Trump critiqued publicly. We were kicked out so you all could have your safe-place-echo-chamber.

Trump is the nominee now, and most of us will support him, but that doesn't excuse your shouting-down and stifling of the principled opposition. I've always said that nobody hates free speech as much as a liberal. I guess I have to ad Trump supporters to that group. 
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: ScottinVA on July 21, 2016, 05:34:18 pm
Its the same as here.

You've been a busy boy over at TOS, mekkie.  So have you, @truth_seeker.

----

To: mkjessup
Four Trump supporters on the list. Me, Right in Virginia, Fisherrman, Mechanicos.

They could sure use some reinforcements. Slip in quietly tonight while the others cry themselves to sleep, or in the morning while they sleep it off.


67 posted on 07/14/2016 9:35:11 PM PDT by truth_seeker (#NeverHillary#NeeverBernie)
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Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: ScottinVA on July 21, 2016, 05:39:00 pm
Hey FR "guesties"...

F@ck off... got it?
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Hoodat on July 21, 2016, 05:39:28 pm
Still wondering what Mechanicos Freeper name is.

I'm wondering what his DU name is.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: ScottinVA on July 21, 2016, 05:41:30 pm
I'm wondering what his DU name is.

Over there, it's probably "hatetrump4ever."
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: INVAR on July 21, 2016, 05:42:35 pm
Now for the truth.
Some are saying in here that Trump saw the speech Cru gave and set him up. The Fact is Cruz went off script of the speech he showed Trump. Here is the part of the speech Cruz said he was going to say:
(http://i.imgur.com/O4HSXhB.jpg)

You just proved again what A BOLDFACED LIAR YOU ARE.

This is what the teleprompter actually says, and it was NOT from when Ted was speaking at all:


"Senator Ted Cruz in particular made the key point that we need to elect the Trump-Pence Republican Ticket"

How stupid do you take us all for?
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Hoodat on July 21, 2016, 05:43:13 pm
Cruz signed a pledge to support the GOP nominee.
Trump is that nominee.

Here's what Trump had to say about that pledge.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=lKVCHuhIZ40
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: catfish1957 on July 21, 2016, 05:46:44 pm
You just proved again what A BOLDFACED LIAR YOU ARE.

This is what the teleprompter actually says, and it was NOT from when Ted was speaking at all:


"Senator Ted Cruz in particular made the key point that we need to elect the Trump-Pence Republican Ticket"

How stupid do you take us all for?

LMAO.....  Mechanicos must have Cruz mistaken for Bob Dole and his 3rd person style

Strike 3 today for Mechanicos's credibility
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: INVAR on July 21, 2016, 05:48:50 pm
You've been a busy boy over at TOS, mekkie.  So have you @truth_seeker.

----

To: mkjessup
Four Trump supporters on the list. Me, Right in Virginia, Fisherrman, Mechanicos.

They could sure use some reinforcements. Slip in quietly tonight while the others cry themselves to sleep, or in the morning while they sleep it off.


67 posted on 07/14/2016 9:35:11 PM PDT by truth_seeker (#NeverHillary#NeeverBernie)
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So he's recruiting attack-dog scum to come over onto this board to bash those of us who are not supporting Trump.  Nice.

Notice that they hate us non-Trump supporting Conservatives more than they hate the Democrats or Hillary Clinton.  It is US they will continue to go to war against, and it is those of us who will never support their political messiah whom Trump himself will continue to attack - not Hillary.

That their party booed the line "Defend the Constitution" says everything you need to know about what the mob of sycophants for Trump are really all about: their cult of personality.

Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Just_Victor on July 21, 2016, 05:49:10 pm
LMAO.....  Mechanicos must have Cruz mistaken for Bob Dole and his 3rd person style

Strike 3 today for Mechanicos's credibility

Today?  More like strike three in the past 10 minutes... well maybe not...

how long has it been since his last three posts?
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: ArneFufkin on July 21, 2016, 05:50:48 pm
So it's come to light that the Trump crew vetted the speech in advance and even the press received a copy in advance of the speech.  It was on a teleprompter.

One wonders if Cruz wasn't set up to have Trump enter the Hall exactly when Cruz was finishing to elicit that negative response.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Just_Victor on July 21, 2016, 05:53:10 pm
So it's come to light that the Trump crew vetted the speech in advance and even the press received a copy in advance of the speech.  It was on a teleprompter.

One wonders if Cruz wasn't set up to have Trump enter the Hall exactly when Cruz was finishing to elicit that negative response.

It was completely orchestrated like WWE cage match.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: JustPassinThru on July 21, 2016, 05:57:19 pm
Cruz campaign did that to Ben Carson, the mailers that looked like official business telling people they had not been voting with names on it. Got loans from Goldman Sachs.

One can have loyalty to the party, I've supported Romney and McCain but didn't vote for them in the primary.
The Carson meme.

Cruz STAFFERS...REPEATED...a NEWS RELEASE.  Which reported Carson was dropping out.

That is "attacking Ben Carson"?

I don't mean to start with personal attacks.  But how is it that so many are SO...DESPERATE...to worship God the Donald and destroy Lucifer Cruz, that they actually can not only believe, but repeat this stuff with a straight face?
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: ScottinVA on July 21, 2016, 05:57:44 pm

So he's recruiting attack-dog scum to come over onto this board to bash those of us who are not supporting Trump.  Nice.

Notice that they hate us non-Trump supporting Conservatives more than they hate the Democrats or Hillary Clinton.  It is US they will continue to go to war against, and it is those of us who will never support their political messiah whom Trump himself will continue to attack - not Hillary.

That their party booed the line "Defend the Constitution" says everything you need to know about what the mob of sycophants for Trump are really all about: their cult of personality.

That's why I occasionally head over to FR.  These people bear watching.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Mechanicos on July 21, 2016, 05:58:19 pm
You just proved again what A BOLDFACED LIAR YOU ARE.

This is what the teleprompter actually says, and it was NOT from when Ted was speaking at all:


"Senator Ted Cruz in particular made the key point that we need to elect the Trump-Pence Republican Ticket"

How stupid do you take us all for?
That was what he was supposed to have said per his speech he provided. Newt had to ad lib at that point. As others have posted evidence supporting it, I was proven right. So to answer your question would get me banned.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: catfish1957 on July 21, 2016, 05:59:50 pm
That was what he was supposed to have said per his speech he provided. Newt had to ad lib at that point. As others have posted evidence supporting it, I was proven right. So to answer your question would get me banned.

OMG.....    Are you for real?   
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Mechanicos on July 21, 2016, 06:00:42 pm
LMAO.....  Mechanicos must have Cruz mistaken for Bob Dole and his 3rd person style

Strike 3 today for Mechanicos's credibility
Again I was proven right and you were proven wrong. My credibility is doing fine, yours however ...
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: ScottinVA on July 21, 2016, 06:01:26 pm
Yeah, but Trump would have beaten Cruz, destroyed the Republican Party, and set the Conservative movement back decades.  That's all that matters now.  Trump doesn't even act like Hillary is his opponent.

That's the part the Trumpettes will never admit.  Hillary is not, nor will she ever be, Trump's opponent.  They've been friends and political allies for decades.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Mechanicos on July 21, 2016, 06:01:37 pm
OMG.....    Are you for real?
Yeah, that's why you keep getting everything wrong.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: catfish1957 on July 21, 2016, 06:01:51 pm
Again I was proven right and you were proven wrong. My credibility is doing fine, yours however ...

Just how many lies can you stack in one thread?   People are laughing their butts off at you.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: HoustonSam on July 21, 2016, 06:02:26 pm
LMAO.....  Mechanicos must have Cruz mistaken for Bob Dole and his 3rd person style

Strike 3 today for Mechanicos's credibility

It has been widely reported this morning, and confirmed by both Trump and Cruz camps, that Cruz delivered the speech he provided in advance.  The Trump camp knew absolutely that Cruz would not endorse.  Yet some still manufacture any absurd distortion they can conceive to perpetuate their fiction that Trump has nairy a hair out of place 'neath his halo, while those who deny fealty to him are in league with Satan.

The reality, unfortunate for the nation, is that Trump demonstrates more concern for winning soundbite wars and creating petty instances of upstaging than for building a winning consensus for the general election.  His ambition appears to be immediate domination rather than restoring the country.

It is said that we aren't electing a pastor or a husband.  Neither are we electing an alpha male wolf pack leader.  Trump should go mark his territory somewhere else instead of peeing on a once-great political party.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: etcb on July 21, 2016, 06:03:31 pm
Great idea @sinkspur !! and wouldn't we all love to see him "restore his relationship with Cruz" through a public apology to TC [from the convention floor]? Could take seven years of prayers from the Carthusian Monks to make that fly! But we can all hope it could be sooner than that.

I would like to "endorse" your comment.

In my family, several of us were and still are strong Cruz supporters, however, when it became apparent that Mr. Trump would be the nominee, we collectively swallowed hard and agreed that we would vote for him.  We agreed that he was far from our ideal candidate but between him and Sec. Clinton, he would be the best alternative.  For us, the Supreme Court is issue number one with immigration being a close second.  We were troubled with Mr. Trump's demeanor but were not looking to make him a family member.  His seeming obsession, especially after the contest is over, with destroying his opponents rather than embracing them is very troubling.  The objective should be winning the general election, not continuing to fight the primary.  We will see tonight what kind man Mr. Trump is.  I hope he is bigger than some of his supporters, but, like you, I have my doubts.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: catfish1957 on July 21, 2016, 06:04:02 pm
It has been widely reported this morning, and confirmed by both Trump and Cruz camps, that Cruz delivered the speech he provided in advance.  The Trump camp knew absolutely that Cruz would not endorse.  Yet some still manufacture any absurd distortion they can conceive to perpetuate their fiction that Trump has nairy a hair out of place 'neath his halo, while those who deny fealty to him are in league with Satan.

The reality, unfortunate for the nation, is that Trump demonstrates more concern for winning soundbite wars and creating petty instances of upstaging than for building a winning consensus for the general election.  His ambition appears to be immediate domination rather than restoring the country.

It is said that we aren't electing a pastor or a husband.  Neither are we electing an alpha male wolf pack leader.  Trump should go mark his territory somewhere else instead of peeing on a once-great political party.
Mechanicos will just stack another one.  Don't worry.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Mechanicos on July 21, 2016, 06:05:35 pm
Just how many lies can you stack in one thread?   People are laughing their butts off at you.

Ann Coulter ‏@AnnCoulter

4h4 hours ago

"Last night, Cruz showed that he's earned a leading role in the nation's political future. And that nation is Canada."
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: TomSea on July 21, 2016, 06:07:44 pm
If Trump did ANYTHING Conservative, I would gladly re-evaluate.  But it's been over a year now, and I'm still waiting.

If Trump is not a Conservative, then why was Cruz campaigning with him? Why did they basically agree on the issues without having to track down those stories?

Why were Trump's and Cruz's views lumped together as similar. I see, Cruz is always on the correct side.

Quote
Donald Trump and Ted Cruz: Is this a second coming of Barry Goldwater?
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2015/1204/Donald-Trump-and-Ted-Cruz-Is-this-a-second-coming-of-Barry-Goldwater

When Cruz is called Conservative, it's always right, if Trump is, it's always wrong.

Just like the long line of conservatives endorsing Trump, Gingrich, Santorum, Huckabee, etc. they are always wrong compared to the Senator who has campaigned with Trump, with Palin and got Rush Limbaugh's endorsement as Cruz did. Rush was right then, but wrong in other cases.

Perhaps we should ask what Cruz has done in concrete terms that is conservative, not the words, but accomplishments that a Pence, Perry or Walker can point too and though he may have had success as Solicitor General, that is still an un-elected office and taking those cases were part of his job.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: chae on July 21, 2016, 06:08:35 pm
Yeah, and sh'es cool with Trump performing abortions in the oval office too...Yeah, she sure sounds sane.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: catfish1957 on July 21, 2016, 06:08:50 pm
Ann Coulter ‏@AnnCoulter

4h4 hours ago

"Last night, Cruz showed that he's earned a leading role in the nation's political future. And that nation is Canada."

Coulter's been sporting DJT autographed knee pads for months.  So what?
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Free Vulcan on July 21, 2016, 06:10:36 pm
That was what he was supposed to have said per his speech he provided. Newt had to ad lib at that point. As others have posted evidence supporting it, I was proven right. So to answer your question would get me banned.

So then the screenshot of the teleprompter were Newt's speech and not Cruz's, and you simply infer what his speech said v. the actual submitted transcript.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: catfish1957 on July 21, 2016, 06:11:47 pm
So then the screenshot of the teleprompter were Newt's speech and not Cruz's, and you simply infer what his speech said v. the actual submitted transcript.

I'd say Mech has pretty much dug halfway to China.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: INVAR on July 21, 2016, 06:12:09 pm
So to recap:
-- Cruz submitted a speech that had support (not endorsement) at the end for the Trump-Pence ticket.

LIE.  Cruz released the transcript of his speech two hours before he spoke and his speech was verbatim to the transcript.  Manafort signed off on the speech at 4:30 PM EDT. 

-- Cruz went off script.

LIE.  The pic you submitted as evidence was from someone else speaking and not from when Cruz was speaking at all.  A proven lie.  Media outlets has the transcript in advance and Cruz never deviated.

-- Trump and RNC apparently did not trust Cruz to be honest and had a contingency plan in place to nullify his sabotage.

LIE.  Manafort strategically planned for Trump to enter the arena WHILE Cruz was speaking, and has operatives in the delegation to instigate the boos at the exact moment Manafort instructed them to boo.

That was what he was supposed to have said per his speech he provided. Newt had to ad lib at that point. As others have posted evidence supporting it, I was proven right. So to answer your question would get me banned.

YOU'VE DONE NOTHING EXCEPT TO PROVE YOU ARE DOUBLING DOWN ON THE FACT YOU ARE A LIAR!

The media has transcripts of the speech two hours in advance.  There was no endorsement by name in that transcript and Trump's people knew it.  Which is why they had Trump come into the arena while Cruz was speaking and stoke the boos.

"Newt had to ad-lib"???   Yes, because all ad-libs are scripted on teleprompters.  Imbecillic on your part yet again.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: TomSea on July 21, 2016, 06:12:29 pm
And one would be dishonest if he did.

Pence, although an acceptable conservative, IS part of the Political Establishment.

Cruz has been fighting, all his adult life, first and foremost as a Conservative.  Texas AG and Congressman; clerked under Scalia in the Supreme Court.  Hated and reviled by RINOs.

Good for fighting and words but somewhere one wants actual accomplishments and not just because one is doing their job as Texas Solicitor which one was not elected to.

Perry, Pence, Walker, at the state level, have adhered to their constituency and passed laws that actually affect the people and their desires. So, call all of them establishment if one must, they accomplished things.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Timber Rattler on July 21, 2016, 06:14:07 pm
Ann Coulter ‏@AnnCoulter

4h4 hours ago

"Last night, Cruz showed that he's earned a leading role in the nation's political future. And that nation is Canada."

The you mean this Ann Coulter?

"Ann Coulter: This country needs Chris Christie"

http://dailycaller.com/2011/02/16/ann-coulter-this-country-needs-chris-christie/


"ROMNEY IS WHAT THE COUNTRY NEEDS NOW"

http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2012-10-31.html


"Ann Coulter takes up ‘Mitt Romney for President’ chant again"

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/apr/18/ann-coulter-takes-mitt-romney-president-chant-agai/

 :silly:
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: TomSea on July 21, 2016, 06:14:20 pm
Ann Coulter ‏@AnnCoulter

4h4 hours ago

"Last night, Cruz showed that he's earned a leading role in the nation's political future. And that nation is Canada."

(Sarcasm if I must say it) Ann Coulter another name we can add to the list as not actually conservative, the only conservative around is Ted Cruz. When will we learn our lessons.  (Sarcasm off)
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: The Jackal on July 21, 2016, 06:15:31 pm
Coulter's been sporting DJT autographed knee pads for months.  So what?

The alt-right will have their meme of the day. That's why Cruz' speech angers them so. They have neither the time or the inclination to espouse a coherent conservative vision. In adopting Alinsky tactics they have become what they claim to be against. It's a form of devolution. They are getting uglier, angrier, and dumber by the moment.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 21, 2016, 06:15:43 pm
You've been a busy boy over at TOS, mekkie.  So have you @truthseeker.

----

To: mkjessup
Four Trump supporters on the list. Me, Right in Virginia, Fisherrman, Mechanicos.

They could sure use some reinforcements. Slip in quietly tonight while the others cry themselves to sleep, or in the morning while they sleep it off.


67 posted on 07/14/2016 9:35:11 PM PDT by truth_seeker (#NeverHillary#NeeverBernie)
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Well, now, that explains some of the fresh faced trolls.
Another Trump Family Ping?
Only intersite?
Trolling FR to bring people over here to run us off?
Oh my. Such upstanding people. Save it for Hillary you jerks.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: ABX on July 21, 2016, 06:16:34 pm
LIE.  The pic you submitted as evidence was from someone else speaking and not from when Cruz was speaking at all.  A proven lie.  Media outlets has the transcript in advance and Cruz never deviated.


That picture that was going around earlier has already been shown to not be from Cruz's speech, but from Newt's speech when he was saying what he interpreted Cruz's statement to be. It not only shows they are lying about the script, they are also lying about Newt having to 'ad lib' an explanation- the explanation was planned in advance and on the teleprompter for Newt.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Timber Rattler on July 21, 2016, 06:16:58 pm
Still wondering what Mechanicos Freeper name is.

His FReeper name is the same, Mechanicos...

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/by:mechanicos/index?brevity=full;tab=comments

Most infamously, he went over there on June 9, 2016, and asked for FReeper help in debating us here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3438392/posts?page=1#1
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Mechanicos on July 21, 2016, 06:17:48 pm
georgiafl says:

July 21, 2016 at 10:45 am

Hmmm

RNC sources: @tedcruz "speech different than version he gave RNC in advance." Officials + Cruz had to be physically separated after. #GOP

— David Shuster (@DavidShuster) July 21, 2016

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georgiafl says:

July 21, 2016 at 10:50 am

One RNC official called Cruz’s speech “classless,” while a senior GOP operative on the convention floor told Fox… https://t.co/iLnWqXag2x

— PolitiJim (@PolitiJim) July 21, 2016

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georgiafl says:

July 21, 2016 at 10:52 am

sources tell me that Cruz went off-script on his speech last night from what he officially submitted to the RNC.

— Richard Grenell (@RichardGrenell) July 21, 2016

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/07/21/a-deeper-look-into-ted-cruzs-rnc-convention-speech/#comments
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Bigun on July 21, 2016, 06:18:21 pm
The you mean this Ann Coulter?

"Ann Coulter: This country needs Chris Christie"

http://dailycaller.com/2011/02/16/ann-coulter-this-country-needs-chris-christie/


"ROMNEY IS WHAT THE COUNTRY NEEDS NOW"

http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2012-10-31.html


"Ann Coulter takes up ‘Mitt Romney for President’ chant again"

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/apr/18/ann-coulter-takes-mitt-romney-president-chant-agai/

 :silly:

Why anyone would think Ann Coulter relevant to anything is beyond me!
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: catfish1957 on July 21, 2016, 06:18:47 pm
Well, now, that explains some of the fresh faced trolls.
Another Trump Family Ping?
Only intersite?
Trolling FR to bring people over here to run us off?
Oh my. Such upstanding people. Save it for Hillary you jerks.

At least here we can fight the Trump Freeoer trash back.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: TomSea on July 21, 2016, 06:19:11 pm
I've lost the post but as for the campaign, it's not just the Iowa affair with Ben Carson, I supported Cruz but the stories were getting tiring by the time, South and North Carolina rolled around. There are too many of these stories. So if one is actually claiming some moral high-road, I don't think that is proper. Also, to say a PAC did this brings questions as to whether one is just using "plausible deniability when the stories pile up.

Quote
Team Rubio Accuses Cruz Campaign of Employing ‘Another Dirty Trick’ in South Carolina — This One Involves the Bible

Marco Rubio’s communication’s director Alex Conant is accusing Ted Cruz’s campaign of more “dirty campaign tricks” after a video surfaced of Marco Rubio allegedly saying the Bible isn’t filled with many answers — although, as it turns out, Rubio actually said the opposite.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2016/02/22/team-rubio-accuses-cruz-campaign-of-employing-another-dirty-trick-in-south-carolina-this-one-involves-the-bible/

Then the voter shaming mailers and so on.

This is not of great significance unless one continually points to Cruz as being perfect and we know he is the only conservative,

Not Gingrich, not Santorum, not Coulter, a bit abrasive for me, not Michael Reagan, etc.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Mechanicos on July 21, 2016, 06:20:31 pm
Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump 2h2 hours ago

Ted Cruz talks about the Constitution but doesn't say that if the Dems win the Presidency, the new JUSTICES appointed will destroy us all!
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Mechanicos on July 21, 2016, 06:22:14 pm
"I am done, with Ted Cruz"....

Jeff Kuhner WRKO 680am out of Boston who is @ the RNC Convention...

http://www.wrko.com/kuhner-report
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: NavyCanDo on July 21, 2016, 06:22:25 pm
So it's come to light that the Trump crew vetted the speech in advance and even the press received a copy in advance of the speech.  It was on a teleprompter.

One wonders if Cruz wasn't set up to have Trump enter the Hall exactly when Cruz was finishing to elicit that negative response.

You bet it was all orchestrated to take advantage of the Vote Your Conscience, Vote for Freedom non-endorsement, which they knew was coming.   I heard a poll this morning that the #nevertrumps are not budging and are giving high praise to Cruz for not wavering in his otherwise very presidential speech. However the undecided conservatives were budging, which was the Trump plan.    They played sound bites from people  who said they were not sure about voting for Trump, who now because of the Cruz speech were heavily breaking to vote for Trump.   That's fine, and I'm sure Cruz is fine with that outcome, but he is not going down on record of signing his name to the Trump ticket, and neither am I.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: catfish1957 on July 21, 2016, 06:23:54 pm
Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump 2h2 hours ago

 the new JUSTICES appointed will destroy us all!

 888ohnoes

Oh no.....John Roberts and his Laser Gavel Ray are going to destroy us all!!!!!!!!!!!!

Trump...what a drama queen.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Mechanicos on July 21, 2016, 06:25:22 pm
No one can criticize Trump now that he let his opponent have his say. Trump gave Cruz the rope, it was Cruz’s choice to use it to hang himself.

Trump would have been criticized if he’d exercised prior restraint and prevented Cruz from speaking. People would have said he was too thin-skinned to risk criticism and Cruz could have lied and said he was going to endorse Trump.

Instead the world now knows what a small, petty, arrogant, and selfish rat Ted Cruz really is. He will be remembered as “Lyin’ Ted” - who did not live up to his own promise. Thank God he will not be our President!

So, who’s the brilliant one now, eh?
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: ScottinVA on July 21, 2016, 06:30:02 pm
So, who’s the brilliant one now, eh?

Stay tuned for the answer on the morning of the first Wednesday in November.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: ScottinVA on July 21, 2016, 06:31:01 pm
Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump 2h2 hours ago

Ted Cruz talks about the Constitution but doesn't say that if the Dems win the Presidency, the new JUSTICES appointed will destroy us all!

Does it really take Ted Cruz to say that for that to be understood?
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: INVAR on July 21, 2016, 06:31:23 pm
The fact the Trump fanatics continue to hate-bash Cruz and Conservatives who will not support and genuflect their prince, tells you that it is not Hillary they fear, hate and loathe….

… it's you and me.

Trump is Hillary's Trojan Stalking Horse and his mob of zealots want blood: yours - not Hillary's.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: massadvj on July 21, 2016, 06:31:45 pm
Here's what Trump had to say about that pledge.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=lKVCHuhIZ40

When you pledge allegiance to the flag, and others choose to renounce that pledge, do you then unpledge your allegiance?  I don't believe any of these candidates made the pledge conditional on the other candidates making it. 
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: TomSea on July 21, 2016, 06:32:41 pm
Now, Pence is still establishment and talk of RiNOS.

So again, we know the only Conservative is Cruz, maybe Mark Levin. There are no others, Cruz who got his political feel wet working for the Bushes. Oh, my.

More fancy dan words, worked for Goldman Sachs, on the Council for Foreign Relations.

http://www.wnd.com/2015/03/ted-cruz-again-battles-globalist-charge-against-wife/

But Ted is the only Conservative around. No connections to globalism, the establishment, not a RINO.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: The Jackal on July 21, 2016, 06:33:42 pm
No one can criticize Trump now that he let his opponent have his say. Trump gave Cruz the rope, it was Cruz’s choice to use it to hang himself.

Trump would have been criticized if he’d exercised prior restraint and prevented Cruz from speaking. People would have said he was too thin-skinned to risk criticism and Cruz could have lied and said he was going to endorse Trump.

Instead the world now knows what a small, petty, arrogant, and selfish rat Ted Cruz really is. He will be remembered as “Lyin’ Ted” - who did not live up to his own promise. Thank God he will not be our President!

So, who’s the brilliant one now, eh?

Thanks for confirming why I won't be voting for Trump in November. For Trump and his supporters, at the end of the day, it's always about getting one over on someone. A Trump supporter can't even conceive of standing on principle for its own sake. It's like I said, devolution. At this point there really is no distinction between Trump supporters and the Arab street on a Friday afternoon.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Bigun on July 21, 2016, 06:33:44 pm
The fact the Trump fanatics continue to hate-bash Cruz and Conservatives who will not support and genuflect their prince, tells you that it is not Hillary they fear, hate and loathe….

… it's you and me.

Trump is Hillary's Trojan Stalking Horse and his mob of zealots want blood: yours - not Hillary's.

I'm SO stealing that line!  Gonna make it famous!
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: ScottinVA on July 21, 2016, 06:34:50 pm
Well, now, that explains some of the fresh faced trolls.
Another Trump Family Ping?
Only intersite?
Trolling FR to bring people over here to run us off?
Oh my. Such upstanding people. Save it for Hillary you jerks.

Here's one thing those chickensh*ts don't understand... Here, they won't have Jim "Rolling Thunder" Robinson to threaten "zot" whenever someone stands up to their crap. 
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Free Vulcan on July 21, 2016, 06:37:41 pm
georgiafl says:

July 21, 2016 at 10:45 am

Hmmm

RNC sources: @tedcruz "speech different than version he gave RNC in advance." Officials + Cruz had to be physically separated after. #GOP

— David Shuster (@DavidShuster) July 21, 2016

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georgiafl says:

July 21, 2016 at 10:50 am

One RNC official called Cruz’s speech “classless,” while a senior GOP operative on the convention floor told Fox… https://t.co/iLnWqXag2x

— PolitiJim (@PolitiJim) July 21, 2016

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georgiafl says:

July 21, 2016 at 10:52 am

sources tell me that Cruz went off-script on his speech last night from what he officially submitted to the RNC.

— Richard Grenell (@RichardGrenell) July 21, 2016

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/07/21/a-deeper-look-into-ted-cruzs-rnc-convention-speech/#comments

So you're using Establishment insiders as proof that Cruz...is an outsider and not an Establishment insider.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: catfish1957 on July 21, 2016, 06:37:53 pm
Thanks for confirming why I won't be voting for Trump in November. For Trump and his supporters, at the end of the day, it's always about getting one over on someone. A Trump supporter can't even conceive of standing on principle for its own sake. It's like I said, devolution. At this point there really is no distinction between Trump supporters and the Arab street on a Friday afternoon.

Exactly.  I figure that Trump and his lackeys have now permanently alienated about 1-2 million conservative voters with their antics. 

Ron White got it right.......    "You can't fix stupid"
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Free Vulcan on July 21, 2016, 06:39:10 pm
Here's one thing those chickensh*ts don't understand... Here, they won't have Jim "Rolling Thunder" Robinson to threaten "zot" whenever someone stands up to their crap.

No they don't. I'd love mkjessup to come over here just so we could play birthday pinata with him/her.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: biff on July 21, 2016, 06:41:03 pm
Annie, like Sarah is increasingly becoming irrelevant as well, they are both showing quite a few wrinkles of late.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: catfish1957 on July 21, 2016, 06:42:00 pm
So you're using Establishment insiders as proof that Cruz...is an outsider and not an Establishment insider.

Mech's self circular firing squad of contradictory mumbo jumbo has morphed into a verbal exercise of the law of unintended consequences

He can't be keeping this all straight.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: ScottinVA on July 21, 2016, 06:42:28 pm
That was what he was supposed to have said per his speech he provided. Newt had to ad lib at that point. As others have posted evidence supporting it, I was proven right. So to answer your question would get me banned.

That's quite different from your earlier comment, "Here is the part of the speech Cruz said he was going to say."
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Mechanicos on July 21, 2016, 06:43:08 pm
As I see it, Trump could not lose by letting Cruz have his chance to speak. Either Cruz would endorse (good) or he would commit political suicide (also good).

I suspect it was the seasoned political operative Paul Manafort who made these options clear because when you look at it as he would, either way it helps to unify the party. Having chosen the low-road, Cruz has less support today than he did yesterday, more of his supporters have come to see him as the arrogant, petty rat that he is, and that means they are more open to supporting Trump themselves.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Just_Victor on July 21, 2016, 06:44:40 pm
Here's one thing those chickensh*ts don't understand... Here, they won't have Jim "Rolling Thunder" Robinson to threaten "zot" whenever someone stands up to their crap.

I wasn't zotted.  I just stopped going over there because they made it clear I wasn't welcome there.  I don't mind opposition, but being shouted down with threats of "I'm telling JR!" isn't what I signed up for.  They're welcome (as far as I'm concerned, but I can't speak for @mystery-ak) to try the same childish tactics over here.  If it starts working, I'll just move on again.  They're not going to change my mind with their screeching.


Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: LilLamb on July 21, 2016, 06:49:11 pm
georgiafl says:

July 21, 2016 at 10:45 am

Hmmm

RNC sources: @tedcruz "speech different than version he gave RNC in advance." Officials + Cruz had to be physically separated after. #GOP

— David Shuster (@DavidShuster) July 21, 2016



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georgiafl says:

July 21, 2016 at 10:50 am

One RNC official called Cruz’s speech “classless,” while a senior GOP operative on the convention floor told Fox… https://t.co/iLnWqXag2x

— PolitiJim (@PolitiJim) July 21, 2016

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georgiafl says:

July 21, 2016 at 10:52 am

sources tell me that Cruz went off-script on his speech last night from what he officially submitted to the RNC.

— Richard Grenell (@RichardGrenell) July 21, 2016

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/07/21/a-deeper-look-into-ted-cruzs-rnc-convention-speech/#comments

So when Trump tweeted that he read the speech two hours in advance and knew that Cruz wasn't going to endorse him, but he let him speak anyway, was Trump lying?!  Pick one, either what these people you quoted are telling the truth or Trump is.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: INVAR on July 21, 2016, 06:50:11 pm
As I see it, Trump could not lose by letting Cruz have his chance to speak. Either Cruz would endorse (good) or he would commit political suicide (also good).

I suspect it was the seasoned political operative Paul Manafort who made these options clear because when you look at it as he would, either way it helps to unify the party. Having chosen the low-road, Cruz has less support today than he did yesterday, more of his supporters have come to see him as the arrogant, petty rat that he is, and that means they are more open to supporting Trump themselves.

You just continue to prove that wide is the gate that leads to destruction.

As if 90% of the population seig-heiling a madman would move the principled to abandon their cores and join the lemmings who will follow him to perdition.

Better start learning how to attack Hillary's hordes, because up until now - all your invective and hatred is consistently aimed at those you have run out of your party.

Because as I said - it's not Hillary you fear and hate - it's those of us who will not support you or your prince.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Night Hides Not on July 21, 2016, 06:51:17 pm
No they don't. I'd love mkjessup to come over here just so we could play birthday pinata with him/her.

I'd like to be on your welcoming committee for Mr. Jessup.  lol
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Bigun on July 21, 2016, 06:52:45 pm
I'd like to be on your welcoming committee for Mr. Jessup.  lol

I SO want to be on that committee! I have a welcoming speech for mr. Jessup already working in my mind!
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on July 21, 2016, 06:52:49 pm
No one can criticize Trump now that he let his opponent have his say. Trump gave Cruz the rope, it was Cruz’s choice to use it to hang himself.

Trump would have been criticized if he’d exercised prior restraint and prevented Cruz from speaking. People would have said he was too thin-skinned to risk criticism and Cruz could have lied and said he was going to endorse Trump.

Instead the world now knows what a small, petty, arrogant, and selfish rat Ted Cruz really is. He will be remembered as “Lyin’ Ted” - who did not live up to his own promise. Thank God he will not be our President!

So, who’s the brilliant one now, eh?


 goopo
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on July 21, 2016, 06:54:36 pm
Stay tuned for the answer on the morning of the first Wednesday in November.

Of which year? 
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Henry Noel on July 21, 2016, 06:55:31 pm
I want to congratulate Donald Trump on winning the nomination last night.
And, like each of you, I want to see the principles that our party believes prevail in November.

That's actually pretty clever. It's on a par with "render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's." Which, when you get right down to it, doesn't leave very much for Caesar!
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: ScottinVA on July 21, 2016, 06:56:47 pm
Of which year?

Whichever one in which you engage in the fantasy that Trump will emerge the winner.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on July 21, 2016, 06:57:15 pm
The fact the Trump fanatics continue to hate-bash Cruz and Conservatives who will not support and genuflect their prince, tells you that it is not Hillary they fear, hate and loathe….

… it's you and me.

Trump is Hillary's Trojan Stalking Horse and his mob of zealots want blood: yours - not Hillary's.

Sounds like you need a Snicker's Bar   88devil
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Bigun on July 21, 2016, 06:58:53 pm
Of which year?

So asketh the Mike Jessup of TBR!
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on July 21, 2016, 06:59:25 pm
Ann Coulter ‏@AnnCoulter

4h4 hours ago
"Last night, Cruz showed that he's earned a leading role in the nation's political future. And that nation is Canada."

Short, sweet and true!  Thanks for posting.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: ScottinVA on July 21, 2016, 07:00:20 pm
No they don't. I'd love mkjessup to come over here just so we could play birthday pinata with him/her.

And he needs to bring his life partner VandeKoik with him/her.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: The Jackal on July 21, 2016, 07:00:24 pm
Exactly.  I figure that Trump and his lackeys have now permanently alienated about 1-2 million conservative voters with their antics. 

Ron White got it right.......    "You can't fix stupid"

He sure did. I'm giving Castle and Johnson the once over and if that doesn't pan out, I'll sit it out and vote down ticket. Either way, Trump does not get my vote. And should Trump lose, well, it's their own damned fault. They put their need to emote, and achieve some level of catharsis via Trump above the needs of the country. In actuality it is the Trump supporter that is sitting out this election.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: ScottinVA on July 21, 2016, 07:02:55 pm
I'd like to be on your welcoming committee for Mr. Jessup.  lol

As of 3:02, 19 Guests are viewing this topic.

Hopefully he/she is one of them.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: ScottinVA on July 21, 2016, 07:04:44 pm
He sure did. I'm giving Castle and Johnson the once over and if that doesn't pan out, I'll sit it out and vote down ticket. Either way, Trump does not get my vote. And should Trump lose, well, it's their own damned fault. They put their need to emote, and achieve some level of catharsis via Trump above the needs of the country. In actuality it is the Trump supporter that is sitting out this election.

Essentially what the Trumpettes are telling the rest of us is:  "We FUBAR'd the entire process and you all have to help clean it up, or.... HILLARY!!!!"
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Bigun on July 21, 2016, 07:07:54 pm
As of 3:02, 19 Guests are viewing this topic.

Hopefully he/she is one of them.

I couldn't care less about that!
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: The Jackal on July 21, 2016, 07:08:03 pm
Essentially what the Trumpettes are telling the rest of us is:  "We FUBAR'd the entire process and you all have to help clean it up, or.... HILLARY!!!!"

That's exactly right. They went out and had unprotected sex now they want us to pay for the abortion. Literally and figuratively.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 21, 2016, 07:08:30 pm
"I am done, with Ted Cruz"....

Jeff Kuhner WRKO 680am out of Boston who is @ the RNC Convention...

http://www.wrko.com/kuhner-report
Probably just another one of those who was 'done' with Cruz in January...
and February....
and March....
and a couple of times in April....
and in May....

There have been a lot of those who were "finally done with Cruz" on TOS, at least once a week.

It is just another form of trolling.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: ScottinVA on July 21, 2016, 07:09:08 pm
Ted Cruz Fundraises Off His Donald Convention Snub

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/07/21/ted-cruz-fundraises-off-his-donald-trump-convention-snub/

Heh-heh... get 'em, Ted!
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: andy58-in-nh on July 21, 2016, 07:10:14 pm
You just continue to prove that wide is the gate that leads to destruction.

As if 90% of the population seig-heiling a madman would move the principled to abandon their cores and join the lemmings who will follow him to perdition.

Better start learning how to attack Hillary's hordes, because up until now - all your invective and hatred is consistently aimed at those you have run out of your party.

Because as I said - it's not Hillary you fear and hate - it's those of us who will not support you or your prince.

Well said. And this is the heart of my own conflict.


Every time I get even vaguely close to considering casting a vote for Herr Trump as a means of stopping Madame Medusa, one or more of his supporters comes along to prove beyond the shadow of a doubt that I'd be a fool to do so.


It is one thing entirely to act stupidly. We have all done so from time to time.


It is entirely another and more unforgivable act for a person who isn't an idiot to encourage bad behavior,  delusional thinking and poor character in others.



Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Bunny Watson on July 21, 2016, 07:11:11 pm
He sure did. I'm giving Castle and Johnson the once over and if that doesn't pan out, I'll sit it out and vote down ticket. Either way, Trump does not get my vote. And should Trump lose, well, it's their own damned fault. They put their need to emote, and achieve some level of catharsis via Trump above the needs of the country. In actuality it is the Trump supporter that is sitting out this election.

I gave them the once-over and I'm unimpressed with a couple of their principles. They're pretty isolationist. Basically, they're repudiating NAFTA and other trade pacts as well as NATO.
For example, from their Foreign Policy page (https://www.constitutionparty.com/foreign-policy1/):
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We propose that the United States
repudiate any commitment, express or implied, to send U.S. troops to participate in foreign conflicts, whether unilaterally, under NATO auspices, or as a part of the United Nations “peace-keeping” operations;

I'm not a fan of abandoning NATO. Circumspection in military use, yes. Isolationism, no.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: catfish1957 on July 21, 2016, 07:11:18 pm
Ted Cruz Fundraises Off His Donald Convention Snub

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/07/21/ted-cruz-fundraises-off-his-donald-trump-convention-snub/

Heh-heh... get 'em, Ted!

2020 will get here sooner than you realize.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Just_Victor on July 21, 2016, 07:12:34 pm
Essentially what the Trumpettes are telling the rest of us is:  "We FUBAR'd the entire process and you all have to help clean it up, or.... HILLARY!!!!"
Trump crashes our party and sh!ts in the punch.  But it's Cruz's fault we can't all get along cuz he won't drink with everyone else.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: skeeter on July 21, 2016, 07:14:44 pm
Probably just another one of those who was 'done' with Cruz in January...
and February....
and March....
and a couple of times in April....
and in May....

There have been a lot of those who were "finally done with Cruz" on TOS, at least once a week.

It is just another form of trolling.

Every Trumpster over there begins each anti-Cruz missive with the obligatory 'I used to support Ted Cruz'. Its hilarious.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 21, 2016, 07:15:28 pm
Annie, like Sarah is increasingly becoming irrelevant as well, they are both showing quite a few wrinkles of late.
If they keep it up (and someone finds the paintings) they'll look like

(http://i782.photobucket.com/albums/yy107/hyperbolemedia/helen-thomas.jpg)
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: driftdiver on July 21, 2016, 07:17:33 pm
I gave them the once-over and I'm unimpressed with a couple of their principles. They're pretty isolationist. Basically, they're repudiating NAFTA and other trade pacts as well as NATO.
For example, from their Foreign Policy page (https://www.constitutionparty.com/foreign-policy1/):
I'm not a fan of abandoning NATO. Circumspection in military use, yes. Isolationism, no.

My guess it's about isolating the countries of the west.   So that military force can be used against them and defensive actions will be difficult if not possible to coordinate between countries.

Divide and conquer
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Hoodat on July 21, 2016, 07:20:43 pm
Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump 2h2 hours ago

Ted Cruz talks about the Constitution but doesn't say that if the Dems win the Presidency, the new JUSTICES appointed will destroy us all!

Another lie.  Ted Cruz has been saying exactly that his entire political career.  It is his core issue.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: skeeter on July 21, 2016, 07:23:50 pm
Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump 2h2 hours ago

Ted Cruz talks about the Constitution but doesn't say that if the Dems win the Presidency, the new JUSTICES appointed will destroy us all!

The only thing this has me wondering is if its even possible for Trump to avoid sounding like a contentious jackass when referring to Cruz.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 21, 2016, 07:24:31 pm
That's actually pretty clever. It's on a par with "render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's." Which, when you get right down to it, doesn't leave very much for Caesar!
That speech was well crafted, imho. It fastidiously avoided pointing fingers or the bitterness which could so easily have crept in after months of character assassination by the "winner", something offensive to any American armed with a few facts and a sense of fair play.
Instead, he kept it about the country, the country's needs, and the need for everyone to examine their conscience, their values, and their vision for America and vote for those who would uphold the Constitution and those values.

Only those fundamentally opposed to that vision, the Constitution, those values would see that as an attack.

I am ever more convinced that the reason they have yet to attack the real enemy (Hillary) is that they do not have enough of a moral compass to point them in the right direction.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: catfish1957 on July 21, 2016, 07:24:53 pm
Another lie.  Ted Cruz has been saying exactly that his entire political career.  It is his core issue.

I am beginning to think that all of this is fully orchestrated as distraction so that the truth is masked that DJT has no core values.

The clinton Slime machine will out the unclothed Emperor in pretty short order.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: madmaximus on July 21, 2016, 07:26:11 pm
You just continue to prove that wide is the gate that leads to destruction.

As if 90% of the population seig-heiling a madman would move the principled to abandon their cores and join the lemmings who will follow him to perdition.

Better start learning how to attack Hillary's hordes, because up until now - all your invective and hatred is consistently aimed at those you have run out of your party.

Because as I said - it's not Hillary you fear and hate - it's those of us who will not support you or your prince.

The world has a nasty habit of repeating history. This is all proof that America is not immune to that.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: LMAO on July 21, 2016, 07:29:35 pm
There are now three wings in the GOP that are now engaged in a massive power struggle for the soul of the GOP. That's why this convention is a mess.

The first wing is the classic, country club GOP establishment that includes the likes of McCain, Romney, Boehner, ect ect

The second wing is the traditional conservatives like Rand and Ron Paul, Cruz, Lee, ect ect

The third and new wing is the Progressive Nationalist Populists led by Mr Trump. The first two vehemently oppose this wing of the GOP but for different reasons. And this last wing, like the other two, want to become dominate. So there is a war for the future of the GOP. To some degree it's also happening in the Democrat party but most of the Bernie voters will either stay home in Nov or get behind Hillary

Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Night Hides Not on July 21, 2016, 07:36:43 pm
And he needs to bring his life partner VandeKoik with him/her.

The more, the merrier!!!

However, they need to bring someone who can speak in complete sentences. Both of those, ahem, gentlemen do not demonstrate command of the English language.

Oh, what the heck...let them bring WENDLE!!! 
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Night Hides Not on July 21, 2016, 07:38:30 pm
That's exactly right. They went out and had unprotected sex now they want us to pay for the abortion. Literally and figuratively.

You just got my vote for "Post of the Day!"
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Mechanicos on July 21, 2016, 07:41:56 pm
You just continue to prove that wide is the gate that leads to destruction.

As if 90% of the population seig-heiling a madman would move the principled to abandon their cores and join the lemmings who will follow him to perdition.

Better start learning how to attack Hillary's hordes, because up until now - all your invective and hatred is consistently aimed at those you have run out of your party.

Because as I said - it's not Hillary you fear and hate - it's those of us who will not support you or your prince.
Thats pretty good at projection for somebody who is trying to force change after the fact. Look in the mirror. You are the tiny group of fanatics trying to force your will on the majority of Conservatives because of some self-claimed perception of superiority. Personally I have yet to see anything to respect over people who cannot see that Hilary is not an option for America that we can survive.  Facts do not matter to you it seems. Most of what you complain about is minor considering the danger America is facing.

I treat people as they treat me. Since you are a jerk to me I return the favor. If you want to be civil stop the unchristian acts and behave like an adult having a civil conversation.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Night Hides Not on July 21, 2016, 07:44:52 pm
I gave them the once-over and I'm unimpressed with a couple of their principles. They're pretty isolationist. Basically, they're repudiating NAFTA and other trade pacts as well as NATO.
For example, from their Foreign Policy page (https://www.constitutionparty.com/foreign-policy1/):
I'm not a fan of abandoning NATO. Circumspection in military use, yes. Isolationism, no.

Our alliances need reform, and the command structures need Sam Damons in command, not Courtney Massengales (see "Once an Eagle" by Anton Myrer). Once Obama leaves, reform our military, specifically in procurement. We've all seen how the military-industrial-crony-capitalist-complex fattens their wallets at the expense of military readiness.

No more nation building.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Night Hides Not on July 21, 2016, 07:45:51 pm
Thats pretty good at projection for somebody who is trying to force change after the fact. Look in the mirror. You are the tiny group of fanatics trying to force your will on the majority of Conservatives because of some self-claimed perception of superiority. Personally I have yet to see anything to respect over people who cannot see that Hilary is not an option for America that we can survive.  Facts do not matter to you it seems. Most of what you complain about is minor considering the danger America is facing.

I treat people as they treat me. Since you are a jerk to me I return the favor. If you want to be civil stop the unchristian acts and behave like an adult having a civil conversation.

Tell that to your buds at TOS.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: ScottinVA on July 21, 2016, 07:50:29 pm
georgiafl says:

July 21, 2016 at 10:45 am

Hmmm

RNC sources: @tedcruz "speech different than version he gave RNC in advance." Officials + Cruz had to be physically separated after. #GOP

— David Shuster (@DavidShuster) July 21, 2016

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georgiafl says:

July 21, 2016 at 10:50 am

One RNC official called Cruz’s speech “classless,” while a senior GOP operative on the convention floor told Fox… https://t.co/iLnWqXag2x

— PolitiJim (@PolitiJim) July 21, 2016

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georgiafl says:

July 21, 2016 at 10:52 am

sources tell me that Cruz went off-script on his speech last night from what he officially submitted to the RNC.

— Richard Grenell (@RichardGrenell) July 21, 2016

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/07/21/a-deeper-look-into-ted-cruzs-rnc-convention-speech/#comments

Unnamed sources, eh?  Didn't you people learn the lesson about not trusting "unnamed sources" when you did Roger Simon's dirty work in pushing that narrative about Cruz' nonexistent affairs?
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: GtHawk on July 21, 2016, 07:52:54 pm
CRUZ DIDN'T ENDORSE HOLY ORANGE GLORIOUS!!!!!

 888ohnoes
I like it, but shouldn't it be Holy Orange Julius, as in the Emperor he sees himself?
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Just_Victor on July 21, 2016, 07:53:26 pm
Unnamed sources, eh?  Didn't you people learn the lesson about not trusting "unnamed sources" when you did Roger Simon's dirty work in pushing that narrative about Cruz' nonexistent affairs?

Hey, they have a source.  The "conservative" nuthouse is a source.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Hoodat on July 21, 2016, 07:53:42 pm
The only thing this has me wondering is if its even possible for Trump to avoid sounding like a contentious jackass when referring to Cruz.

How else do you expect a contentious jackass to sound?
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: catfish1957 on July 21, 2016, 07:57:31 pm
Another lie.  Ted Cruz has been saying exactly that his entire political career.  It is his core issue.

I find it incredibly hilarious that Trump is hours away from accepting the nomination, and he is Insult Tweeting.

Too damn funny.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Mechanicos on July 21, 2016, 08:00:08 pm
Rosie Gray Verified account  ‏@RosieGray · 30m30 minutes ago

A guy in the Texas delegation just stood up and held up a sign that said Clinton/Cruz 2020

From his damage control speech earlier...
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: aligncare on July 21, 2016, 08:01:25 pm
If Trump is not a Conservative, then why was Cruz campaigning with him? Why did they basically agree on the issues without having to track down those stories?

Why were Trump's and Cruz's views lumped together as similar. I see, Cruz is always on the correct side.

When Cruz is called Conservative, it's always right, if Trump is, it's always wrong.

Just like the long line of conservatives endorsing Trump, Gingrich, Santorum, Huckabee, etc. they are always wrong compared to the Senator who has campaigned with Trump, with Palin and got Rush Limbaugh's endorsement as Cruz did. Rush was right then, but wrong in other cases.

Perhaps we should ask what Cruz has done in concrete terms that is conservative, not the words, but accomplishments that a Pence, Perry or Walker can point too and though he may have had success as Solicitor General, that is still an un-elected office and taking those cases were part of his job.

You have demonstrated very sound reasoning here.   :beer:
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: geronl on July 21, 2016, 08:02:55 pm
The hate and vitriol directed at Ted Cruz tells us all we need to know about Trump and his supporters. They are leftists.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: GtHawk on July 21, 2016, 08:03:45 pm
No one can criticize Trump now that he let his opponent have his say. Trump gave Cruz the rope, it was Cruz’s choice to use it to hang himself.
Quote
You wish! I will never be a blindly following sycophant for anyone, especially not a duplicitous back stabber. Why would I intentionally aid in foisting another four years of an obama administration on America? And the saddest thing is that you will read that as referring to Hillary, if you read it at all.



Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: geronl on July 21, 2016, 08:04:03 pm
Once upon a time there was a Republican nominee who campaigned against Democrats instead of against conservatism.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: LMAO on July 21, 2016, 08:04:52 pm
I find it incredibly hilarious that Trump is hours away from accepting the nomination, and he is Insult Tweeting.

Too damn funny.

Funny, but not surprising. Team Hillary has found Trump's Achilles Heal and that is his ego and thin skin. It's his need to respond to every slight in the most adolescent way possible

I have no idea what the future holds for Cruz after last night but I have no doubt he was aware what would happen and took the risk to tell people to vote their conscience
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Night Hides Not on July 21, 2016, 08:09:07 pm
I find it incredibly hilarious that Trump is hours away from accepting the nomination, and he is Insult Tweeting.

Too damn funny.

Just damn...after 8 years of Presidential Fiat via Executive Order, we're going to get Presidential Fiat via Twitter?

At least with FDR, you had regular "Fireside Chats". With Trump, we're going to get Saturday Night Twitter Wars.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: geronl on July 21, 2016, 08:10:57 pm
Ted Cruz gave an excellent speech, there was nothing any type of conservative could criticize there.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: corbe on July 21, 2016, 08:11:22 pm

Freepers 2008 - We won't support McCain just because he's the nominee.

Freepers 2012 - We won't support Romney just because he's the nominee.

Freepers 2016 - We must support Trump because he's the nominee.

At least the GOPe, as much as I despise them, are consistent.



To: Cheetahcat
Well, I’ll make an observation. Trump is NO conservative. He’s a self-dealing charlatan and he’s got a lot of fall-for-anything chump types fooled.
Mark Levin is my friend and a friend of FR and a friend of Liberty. I’ll thank you not to trash him on this website.


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Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: INVAR on July 21, 2016, 08:12:11 pm
You just continue to prove that wide is the gate that leads to destruction.

As if 90% of the population seig-heiling a madman would move the principled to abandon their cores and join the lemmings who will follow him to perdition.

Better start learning how to attack Hillary's hordes, because up until now - all your invective and hatred is consistently aimed at those you have run out of your party.

Because as I said - it's not Hillary you fear and hate - it's those of us who will not support you or your prince.


I treat people as they treat me. Since you are a jerk to me I return the favor. If you want to be civil stop the unchristian acts and behave like an adult having a civil conversation.

That's an absurdly interesting statement to make in response to my comment above that had absolutely no "unchristian acts" stated outside of noting history and facts that you don't like to hear.

That said, I have no intention of being 'civil' with those who consistently lie, impugn, insult and threaten simply because we will not genuflect your prince.  You declared us enemies.  So be it.  It's clear it is not Hillary you fear and hate.

It's Conservatives like us.

Thats pretty good at projection for somebody who is trying to force change after the fact. Look in the mirror. You are the tiny group of fanatics trying to force your will on the majority of Conservatives because of some self-claimed perception of superiority.

'Forcing our will'????  Is your prince your nominee or not?  Just like a liberal Leftist.  The fact we will not bow and genuflect at your altar is ALWAYS greeted with the claims we are 'force our will' fanatics who think ourselves 'superior'. We get that same pap from the pro-abortion mob, the Homosexual agenda pushers and so on.  Mention morality or principles and be declared 'holier than thou' and a fanatical 'bible thumper'.

If we are such a tiny group that are so irrelevant - why do you spend so much time and effort arguing with us? 

Personally I have yet to see anything to respect over people who cannot see that Hilary is not an option for America that we can survive.  Facts do not matter to you it seems. Most of what you complain about is minor considering the danger America is facing.

Another demonstration that it is those of us who won't vote for your prince that you hate, loathe, despise and want to punish and harm.  It's not Hillary you fear.  It's those of us who will not support your political savior.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: wolfcreek on July 21, 2016, 08:12:40 pm
Thats pretty good at projection for somebody who is trying to force change after the fact. Look in the mirror. You are the tiny group of fanatics trying to force your will on the majority of Conservatives because of some self-claimed perception of superiority. Personally I have yet to see anything to respect over people who cannot see that Hilary is not an option for America that we can survive.  Facts do not matter to you it seems. Most of what you complain about is minor considering the danger America is facing.

I treat people as they treat me. Since you are a jerk to me I return the favor. If you want to be civil stop the unchristian acts and behave like an adult having a civil conversation.

You pretty much nailed that. These people are the "Return of Soreloserman"
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: GtHawk on July 21, 2016, 08:14:03 pm
Ann Coulter ‏@AnnCoulter

4h4 hours ago

"Last night, Cruz showed that he's earned a leading role in the nation's political future. And that nation is Canada."
OOH!, Ann Coulter, did you love her and quote her when she was pimping Romney? Well now that you have quoted a political pundit, you have convinced me.........that political pundits can and will be idiots.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: INVAR on July 21, 2016, 08:14:32 pm
You pretty much nailed that. These people are the "Return of Soreloserman"

Are we going to court or attempting to block the coronation of your prince as your standard-bearer?  You who boo the Constitution?
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: rodamala on July 21, 2016, 08:15:35 pm
23 pages of replies to a thread that an actual conservative forum would have yanked and booted the CAPS LOVING TROLL that posted it.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: GtHawk on July 21, 2016, 08:17:37 pm
Just damn...after 8 years of Presidential Fiat via Executive Order, we're going to get Presidential Fiat via Twitter?

At least with FDR, you had regular "Fireside Chats". With Trump, we're going to get Saturday Night Twitter Wars.
Well what else could one expect from a Twit?
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Resp3 on July 21, 2016, 08:18:35 pm
H/T to @L9teen.....



So... I caught my fiance cheating last month. I found out that his values regarding marriage aren't exactly in line with mine, even though in the beginning he pretended that they were :(

He called me names and insulted my family.. he told me that he was the best person I'd ever find and if I don't stay with him I'll never get anyone else. He said he didn't need me.

But since I already made the vow to marry him... I should just go through with it right? Because if not, I'm a liar and a traitor and no one will ever be able to trust me again.



________________________________________


And may I add that when Cruz was simpatico with trump - it was for unity and cohesiveness in the GOP. But know this - it was not Ted that broke ranks with the limited degrees of conservatism that Trump was espousing. Trump himself broke ranks and flip flopped on core values. Then the hatred, the vitriol, the personal attacks began by Trump.  What else needs to be said?

Ted has maintained his courage and his dignity throughout this Repug Convention (Dog and Pony Show) brought to us courtesy of the media and liberal democrats.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: wolfcreek on July 21, 2016, 08:21:48 pm
Are we going to court or attempting to block the coronation of your prince as your standard-bearer?  You who boo the Constitution?

From what I've seen, you would if you could.

Do what's right for the country. Keep Hillary from the WH.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: GtHawk on July 21, 2016, 08:23:09 pm
You pretty much nailed that. These people are the "Return of Soreloserman"
In comparison to what, the "Rise of Sorewinnerman"
Why even bother with us or Cruz, were irrelevant, your guy said he doesn't need us to win and yet how many harangue the nevertrumps to come over to the darkside. And if Cruz has destroyed his career, then you have one and should move on to attacking Hillary...............and yet here you are.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: INVAR on July 21, 2016, 08:25:13 pm
From what I've seen, you would if you could.

Do what's right for the country. Keep Hillary from the WH.

Neither Hillary nor Trump are getting my vote.

That is my contribution to the 'country' that has rejected the very pillars of liberty that maintained a document your party booed last night.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: geronl on July 21, 2016, 08:25:40 pm
The pure seething hatred for anything conservative from the Trump Side is simply appalling
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: mirraflake on July 21, 2016, 08:25:55 pm
Cruz will never be  President.   Most women find Cruz creepy.  Women may not like Trump but they  do not find him creepy for the most part
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: geronl on July 21, 2016, 08:26:36 pm
In comparison to what, the "Rise of Sorewinnerman"
Why even bother with us or Cruz, were irrelevant, your guy said he doesn't need us to win and yet how many harangue the nevertrumps to come over to the darkside. And if Cruz has destroyed his career, then you have one and should move on to attacking Hillary...............and yet here you are.

Trump doesn't like attacking Hillary, he thinks its boring. They are friends after all.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: aligncare on July 21, 2016, 08:26:52 pm
Why anyone would think Ann Coulter relevant to anything is beyond me!

A lot of things are beyond you, Big. But, don't fret. We're just human.

Take me. It's beyond me how you could hold two opposing views. I've heard you argue Cruz is ineligible to be president under the constitution because of the circumstances of his birth in Canada, and yet at the same time you argue we should risk putting Cruz up as our nominee against a billion dollar democrat effort to elect Hillary Clinton.  :huh?:  Which is it?

You see, that's beyond me.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: geronl on July 21, 2016, 08:27:33 pm
Cruz will never be  President.   Most women find Cruz creepy.  Women may not like Trump but they  do not find him creepy for the most part

They should. Trump makes Howard Stern blush, he makes Larry Flynt worry about his soul. This is how perverted and vile the man is.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: driftdiver on July 21, 2016, 08:29:38 pm
Cruz will never be  President.   Most women find Cruz creepy.  Women may not like Trump but they  do not find him creepy for the most part

You mean like when Trump said he'd date his daughter on national TV. Except of course if she wasn't his daughter.

Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: beandog on July 21, 2016, 08:30:50 pm
Cruz will never be  President.   Most women find Cruz creepy.  Women may not like Trump but they  do not find him creepy for the most part

Intelligent women find the Donald very creepy.  I know I do.  I don't find Sen. Cruz the least bit creepy.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: mirraflake on July 21, 2016, 08:33:38 pm
You mean like when Trump said he'd date his daughter on national TV. Except of course if she wasn't his daughter.

Cruz is creepy creepy according to women. Trump is  a cad to them but not creepy-big difference
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: catfish1957 on July 21, 2016, 08:34:14 pm
They should. Trump makes Howard Stern blush, he makes Larry Flynt worry about his soul. This is how perverted and vile the man is.
....and makes Bill Clinton look like a choirboy
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Mechanicos on July 21, 2016, 08:34:20 pm
Michael Reagan ‏@ReaganWorld 18h18 hours ago
@chattyloulou My father would not be proud of Cruz speech..He would think Cruz was selfish and small and he was and is..@newsmax
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: mirraflake on July 21, 2016, 08:34:39 pm
Intelligent women find the Donald very creepy.  I know I do.  I don't find Sen. Cruz the least bit creepy.

No, they find him  a cad.  Not the same as creepy

@beandog
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: geronl on July 21, 2016, 08:35:14 pm
A man who says you have to treat women like s$#@!

A man who admits to numerous affairs and divorces his wives if they complain

A man who stalks women for years sending them clippings and pictures of his hands

A man who has been to pedophile island with Bill Clinton

A man who was lying nude on the bed of paegant contestants when they went to their hotel rooms

The man is a slug
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: mirraflake on July 21, 2016, 08:35:48 pm
They should. Trump makes Howard Stern blush, he makes Larry Flynt worry about his soul. This is how perverted and vile the man is.

Show me where those two said that.

@geronl
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: catfish1957 on July 21, 2016, 08:37:44 pm
No, they find him  a cad.  Not the same as creepy

@beandog

Creepy will get dirty looks.  Cads often get jail time.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: mirraflake on July 21, 2016, 08:38:16 pm


A man who was lying nude on the bed of paegant contestants when they went to their hotel rooms

 

I will pick up just one of your comments.. Show me a verifiable link.

@geronl
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: aligncare on July 21, 2016, 08:38:52 pm
No one can criticize Trump now that he let his opponent have his say. Trump gave Cruz the rope, it was Cruz’s choice to use it to hang himself.

Trump would have been criticized if he’d exercised prior restraint and prevented Cruz from speaking. People would have said he was too thin-skinned to risk criticism and Cruz could have lied and said he was going to endorse Trump.

Instead the world now knows what a small, petty, arrogant, and selfish rat Ted Cruz really is. He will be remembered as “Lyin’ Ted” - who did not live up to his own promise. Thank God he will not be our President!

So, who’s the brilliant one now, eh?

Mechanicos, you've got chutzpah.  :beer:  Though it don't hurt being on the right side of history. :patriot:
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: ScottinVA on July 21, 2016, 08:40:23 pm
They should. Trump makes Howard Stern blush, he makes Larry Flynt worry about his soul. This is how perverted and vile the man is.

You can bet Trump's close connections to Jeffrey Epstein will be getting some attention. 
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Night Hides Not on July 21, 2016, 08:40:40 pm
Cruz will never be  President.   Most women find Cruz creepy.  Women may not like Trump but they  do not find him creepy for the most part

 :silly:

If Ted had Trump's money, women would call him "exotic" instead of "creepy".

Here's an illustration of what I'm talking about:

(http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/money-this-guy-has-more-than-you.jpg)
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: GtHawk on July 21, 2016, 08:41:41 pm
No, they find him  a cad.  Not the same as creepy

@beandog
"CAD
a man who behaves dishonorably, especially toward a woman.
"her adulterous cad of a husband"

I believe that the definition much more accurately fits the Donald, while it is only through unproven attacks that those things have been inferred to Cruz.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: austingirl on July 21, 2016, 08:41:47 pm
Intelligent women find the Donald very creepy.  I know I do.  I don't find Sen. Cruz the least bit creepy.

Trump said he would date Ivanka if she wasn't his daughter. The thing they have in common is sex according to lyin' Donald. Creepy- Trump is off the charts.

Ted may be a little bit nerdy but he is highly intelligent and not in the least creepy.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Night Hides Not on July 21, 2016, 08:42:05 pm
You can bet Trump's close connections to Jeffrey Epstein will be getting some attention.

...on every major network, after Bill Clinton is airbrushed out of every picture with Epstein.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: beandog on July 21, 2016, 08:43:18 pm
No, they find him  a cad.  Not the same as creepy

@beandog

Sorry, you are wrong.  They find him creepy because he is creepy.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: geronl on July 21, 2016, 08:44:22 pm
...on every major network, after Bill Clinton is airbrushed out of every picture with Epstein.

That will be saved for later. First they will highlight Trump's praise of Hillary and probably Bill Clinton (possibly even Obama)

Trump had profound praise for all of them.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Bigun on July 21, 2016, 08:51:44 pm
A lot of things are beyond you, Big. But, don't fret. We're just human.

Take me. It's beyond me how you could hold two opposing views. I've heard you argue Cruz is ineligible to be president under the constitution because of the circumstances of his birth in Canada, and yet at the same time you argue we should risk putting Cruz up as our nominee against a billion dollar democrat effort to elect Hillary Clinton.  :huh?:  Which is it?

You see, that's beyond me.

You must have missed the part where I said that I had lost that argument long ago!  But I'm not surprised since you only seem to see whatyou want to see!
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on July 21, 2016, 09:04:22 pm
If they keep it up (and someone finds the paintings) they'll look like

Please, @ Smokin Joe, do not subject us to that photo again.  Drop it down a few thousand feet in one of the wells you plug.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: driftdiver on July 21, 2016, 09:05:40 pm
Sorry, you are wrong.  They find him creepy because he is creepy.

Kind a fun you how everyone loved Cruz until this election.    You never heard a "conservative" say Cruz was creepy before Trump set his plan in motion.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: wolfcreek on July 21, 2016, 09:09:37 pm
In comparison to what, the "Rise of Sorewinnerman"
Why even bother with us or Cruz, were irrelevant, your guy said he doesn't need us to win and yet how many harangue the nevertrumps to come over to the darkside. And if Cruz has destroyed his career, then you have one and should move on to attacking Hillary...............and yet here you are.

Stop the rhetoric and I'll go away.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Bigun on July 21, 2016, 09:10:34 pm
Stop the rhetoric and I'll go away.

The fact the Trump fanatics continue to hate-bash Cruz and Conservatives who will not support and genuflect their prince, tells you that it is not Hillary they fear, hate and loathe….

… it's you and me.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: wolfcreek on July 21, 2016, 09:10:57 pm
The pure seething hatred for anything conservative from the Trump Side is simply appalling

Drama queen
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: sneakypete on July 21, 2016, 09:13:20 pm
Kind a fun you how everyone loved Cruz until this election.    You never heard a "conservative" say Cruz was creepy before Trump set his plan in motion.

@driftdiver

I know for a fact one conservative said it. Namely,me.

I seem to remember other people who were claiming to be conservatives and who were thinking of supporting him saying the same thing.

I don't know what it was with the others,but with me there was something about his lips that made him look creepy.

NOT saying he IS creepy,mind you. Just saying the appearance is there.

BTW,I had reluctantly came to the conclusion I would vote for Cruz if he won the primary.

Not one chance in hell of me voting for Trump.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: wolfcreek on July 21, 2016, 09:15:12 pm
The fact the Trump fanatics continue to hate-bash Cruz and Conservatives who will not support and genuflect their prince, tells you that it is not Hillary they fear, hate and loathe….

… it's you and me.

Cruz supporters, including myself, are disappointed in him today.

Many of us thought it was the likes of Crystal, Romney etc that were neverTrumps not, Cruz.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: mirraflake on July 21, 2016, 09:16:37 pm
@geronl

Find the links yet to the 2 comments (among many) you made about Trump? Personally I have never heard about beauty queens going back to their hotel rooms and fin a nude Trump on their bed.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Mechanicos on July 21, 2016, 09:17:14 pm
The fact the Trump fanatics continue to hate-bash Cruz and Conservatives who will not support and genuflect their prince, tells you that it is not Hillary they fear, hate and loathe….

… it's you and me.
Conservatives? Seems the conservatives are the ones working to defeat Hilary and not the ones trying to sabotage the GOP nominees. Its called fruit of the tree. Fact, the attacks we see now on Trump-Pence now that they are officially the GOP nominees have no conservative justification. Nothing you are doing saying or posting will unseat Trump, it only helps democrats, and that is anti-conservative.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: geronl on July 21, 2016, 09:18:29 pm
Cruz supporters, including myself, are disappointed in him today.

Many of us thought it was the likes of Crystal, Romney etc that were neverTrumps not, Cruz.

Trump does not share his values or principles, Trump attacked his family in a vile and vulgar manner. Trump never apologized.

I would have been disappointed if Ted had endorsed Trump. It would be the end of his career to endorse Trump.

Ted Cruz gave the perfect speech. Nothing objectionable about it.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 21, 2016, 09:20:15 pm
From what I've seen, you would if you could.

Do what's right for the country. Keep Hillary from the WH.
Y'know, Trump is your nominee (I didn't vote for him, and will not give him my vote. (Hillary won't get it either, so don't bother with that nonsense, thankyouverymuch.)

But since your nominee is there now, If you want to keep Hillary from the White House, I'd suggest y'all get cracking before that bitch eats you amateurs for lunch, and is looking for desert by Bike Week.
You're burning daylight, pilgrim.
Me, I'm going fishing.  :tongue2:
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 21, 2016, 09:22:09 pm
Cruz will never be  President.   Most women find Cruz creepy.  Women may not like Trump but they  do not find him creepy for the most part
LOL! The lump in his pants they're after is his wallet.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 21, 2016, 09:25:08 pm
Please, @ Smokin Joe, do not subject us to that photo again.  Drop it down a few thousand feet in one of the wells you plug.
I'm sorry, it was rotten of me. I even got a small image so folks with 'older' eyes wouldn't suffer so much trauma.  :whistle:
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: sneakypete on July 21, 2016, 09:27:14 pm
Trump does not share his values or principles, Trump attacked his family in a vile and vulgar manner. Trump never apologized.

I would have been disappointed if Ted had endorsed Trump. It would be the end of his career to endorse Trump.

Ted Cruz gave the perfect speech. Nothing objectionable about it.

@geronl

There was nothing at all wrong with the speech. What they are really mad about is we are not praising their Lord and Savior. They think this long-time Dim and friend of Hillary is going to save us from Hillary.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: txradioguy on July 21, 2016, 09:35:21 pm
Essentially what the Trumpettes are telling the rest of us is:  "We FUBAR'd the entire process and you all have to help clean it up, or.... HILLARY!!!!"

To which we should all reply "not my circus...not my monkeys".
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 21, 2016, 09:35:40 pm
@geronl

There was nothing at all wrong with the speech. What they are really mad about is we are not praising their Lord and Savior. They think this long-time Dim and friend of Hillary is going to save us from Hillary.
It will be an interesting meltdown if he loses, but even worse if he wins and they have to confront what they have done instead of blame the rest of us.

Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: geronl on July 21, 2016, 09:41:57 pm
@geronl

There was nothing at all wrong with the speech. What they are really mad about is we are not praising their Lord and Savior. They think this long-time Dim and friend of Hillary is going to save us from Hillary.

They are tacitly admitting Trump does not hold the values and principles they do. lol.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: INVAR on July 21, 2016, 09:42:45 pm
Conservatives? Seems the conservatives are the ones working to defeat Hilary and not the ones trying to sabotage the GOP nominees. Its called fruit of the tree. Fact, the attacks we see now on Trump-Pence now that they are officially the GOP nominees have no conservative justification. Nothing you are doing saying or posting will unseat Trump, it only helps democrats, and that is anti-conservative.

Make up your mind.

I thought we anti-Trump Conservatives are supposedly a tiny fringe minority that are irrelevant?

How are we a threat to sabotaging your prince?

You keep telling us who you really hate, loathe and fear - and it's not Hillary. It's the people you have already blamed in advance when Trump gets trounced in November.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: LMAO on July 21, 2016, 10:01:33 pm
I think what us Constitutional, limited government type conservatives find most disappointing about this election year is the lost opportunity. No one is going to disagree that the GOP Establishment needed to go but we are sure the answer isn't Progressive Nationalism /Populism.

Hillary Clinton is toxic and this shouldn't  even be a contest but instead the GOP nominates someone with higher negatives than her. And whose running one of the most divided conventions and incompetent campaigns I've seen
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: txradioguy on July 21, 2016, 10:04:16 pm
I think what us Constitutional, limited government type conservatives find most disappointing about this election year is the lost opportunity. No one is going to disagree that the GOP Establishment needed to go but we are sure the answer isn't Progressive Nationalism /Populism.

Hillary Clinton is toxic and this shouldn't  even be a contest but instead the GOP nominates someone with higher negatives than her. And whose running one of the most divided conventions and incompetent campaigns I've seen

QFT
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: washi on July 21, 2016, 10:07:13 pm
Here's what Trump had to say about that pledge.

We've already established that Trump has dirtbag tendencies.
That doesn't give Cruz license to renege on a pledge for personal vendetta reasons.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: txradioguy on July 21, 2016, 10:09:21 pm
We've already established that Trump has dirtbag tendencies.
That doesn't give Cruz license to renege on a pledge for personal vendetta reasons.

He didn't renege on anything.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Mechanicos on July 21, 2016, 10:18:49 pm
To which we should all reply "not my circus...not my monkeys".
Not even 25% of GOP voters in the Primary, per #neverTrump logic that means 75% of conservatives voted against Cruz. Then in the Rules Committee where the most effort to stack it with Cruz delegates there were 12 out of 112. On the floor of the convention there were barely enough delegates to muster 6 states for the anti's maneuver. Turns out it was only about 10% of delegates.  It was reported by several there that Mike Lee was hamming it up looking for cameras to make a scene at. When he did the drama of throwing his credentials on the floor as soon as the camera turned off he picked them up and ran over to another camera.

Bottom line. You do not represent conservatives, the #neverTrump movement was never a conservative movement - The leadership of the movement was Liberals and open border Rinos. It was a media hype created by bad people manipulating some Cruz supporters who could not accept they lost badly. And now that Trump-Pence are the official GOP nominees there is no conservative purpose to the hate-on-Trump postings/attacks - Hes not going away.

Yes its your circus. The Judges Hilary will appoint will harm you and your family. The Rapefugees she she wants to import in mass will ruin your life. The illegals will not treat you well when they have the democrat majority of voters. There will be no 2020 saving of conservatism.

Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: driftdiver on July 21, 2016, 10:22:53 pm
We've already established that Trump has dirtbag tendencies.
That doesn't give Cruz license to renege on a pledge for personal vendetta reasons.

The insults about his wife and all those lies sure open the door though.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: geronl on July 21, 2016, 10:24:39 pm
We've already established that Trump has dirtbag tendencies.
That doesn't give Cruz license to renege on a pledge for personal vendetta reasons.

Trump abrogated that pledge at the end of March.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: INVAR on July 21, 2016, 10:32:47 pm
Bottom line. You do not represent conservatives, the #neverTrump movement was never a conservative movement

Shouldn't you be focusing all this pent-up rage, vitriol and loathing against the person you supposedly fear in the General Election rather than those of us you have declared a tiny fringe minority that are irrelevant?

Shouldn't you be trying to win Bernie Supporters, Independents and Democrats on over to get your prince onto the throne??

We do not see any difference between your prince or Hillary and some of us recognize a Trojan Stalking Horse for Hillary and the Establishment when we see it.

We're not voting for him, so insulting and shaming us as is your only focus in life - is not going to garner a single vote for your political savior.

Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: txradioguy on July 21, 2016, 10:39:21 pm
I find it funny that a DU member dares to refer to Constitutional Conservatives as Liberal 
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: INVAR on July 21, 2016, 11:08:22 pm
I find it funny that a DU member dares to refer to Constitutional Conservatives as Liberal

That is because they are busy redefining what Conservatism means, as a pro-big government ideology that simply will run Statism better than the Left does.

It's the same thing the Left has done to redefine Christianity by shaming it into changing their beliefs and doctrines into accepting Islam, Homosexuality and other abominations as wholesome, good and right.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: ScottinVA on July 21, 2016, 11:14:02 pm
He didn't renege on anything.

Cruz was a whole lot more gracious to Orange Glorious than was deserved.  What should never be forgotten is the malicious line of attacks against not only Cruz, but his wife and father.  Cruz was dead-on right to avoid endorsing Trump.  What pisses off Trumpette nation is Cruz refused to kiss their beloved god-king's ring.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Mechanicos on July 21, 2016, 11:19:54 pm
I find it funny that a DU member dares to refer to Constitutional Conservatives as Liberal
Two facts for you: 1 I am a Christian Constitutional Conservative not somebody acting indistinguishable from a liberal attacking the GOP candidates. 2. You have not earned the respect from me to care about what you call me.

I do not consider attacking Trump all the time to be an example of conservative credentials - can see the exact same conduct from liberals. To an outsider looking in how could they tell you are not a DU denizen?
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Fantom on July 21, 2016, 11:23:49 pm
Cruz was a whole lot more gracious to Orange Glorious than was deserved.  What should never be forgotten is the malicious line of attacks against not only Cruz, but his wife and father.  Cruz was dead-on right to avoid endorsing Trump.  What pisses off Trumpette nation is Cruz refused to kiss their beloved god-king's ring.


Yep....  :beer:
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: kartographer on July 21, 2016, 11:28:25 pm
Why would Trump want an indorsement from a man that he and his team claimed for weeks was a liar, cheat, pedofile child abuser, serial adultery with a wife that was everything from a hag to a whore? Why? Why would he even invite such a man to speak?
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on July 21, 2016, 11:36:58 pm
It will be an interesting meltdown if he loses, but even worse if he wins and they have to confront what they have done instead of blame the rest of us.

All they will do if he loses is to blame Cruz for not supporting him, and if he wins will do the same during the subsequent implosion.

With this thread, they have already Claimed it cannot be Trump's fault as Evertone is not on board.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: EasyAce on July 21, 2016, 11:38:47 pm
Why would Trump want an indorsement from a man that he and his team claimed for weeks was a liar, cheat, pedofile child abuser, serial adultery with a wife that was everything form a hag to a whore? Why? Why would he even invite such a man to speak?

He's the cobra in search of his own mongoose?
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: biff on July 21, 2016, 11:41:38 pm
Because he did not expect an endorsement since he saw the speech. He had the NY delegation all cued up to the phrase when to start yelling(hence Cruz thanking the NY'ers) and he timed his grand entrance into the hall accordingly. It was all a WWF show, pure and simple. A figgen broadway production, just like the rest of his life.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: txradioguy on July 21, 2016, 11:50:32 pm
Cruz was a whole lot more gracious to Orange Glorious than was deserved.  What should never be forgotten is the malicious line of attacks against not only Cruz, but his wife and father.  Cruz was dead-on right to avoid endorsing Trump.  What pisses off Trumpette nation is Cruz refused to kiss their beloved god-king's ring.

Spot on!
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: skeeter on July 21, 2016, 11:59:51 pm
We've already established that Trump has dirtbag tendencies.
That doesn't give Cruz license to renege on a pledge for personal vendetta reasons.

A) The pledge was null and void as of 3/30/16 per none less than Donald Trump himself.
B) Any husband/son who does not stand with his wife and family when they are attacked isn't worth any person's vote, for any office at all. These are conservative values.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Gov Bean Counter on July 22, 2016, 12:02:07 am
Spot on!

I didn't watch, but I thought he was finished and they were booing as he left, not that he was booed of the stage.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Hoodat on July 22, 2016, 12:10:00 am
I find it funny that a DU member dares to refer to Constitutional Conservatives as Liberal


Two facts for you: 1 I am a Christian Constitutional Conservative not somebody acting indistinguishable from a liberal attacking the GOP candidates. 2. You have not earned the respect from me to care about what you call me.


Too funny.   @txradioguy makes a generic statement addressed to no one about a DU member, and Mechanicos immediately recognizes it as himself.


I do not consider attacking Trump all the time to be an example of conservative credentials - can see the exact same conduct from liberals. To an outsider looking in how could they tell you are not a DU denizen?

Consider for a moment a candidate who supports Kelo, taxpayer funding of Planned Parenthood, amnesty for deported illegals, higher taxes for hedge fund managers, arcane trade regulations, prohibitions on a free press, and banning weapons sales to Americans without due process - all liberal positions.  Wouldn't a real Conservative be negligent in his/her Conservative duties if he/she didn't point these things out?

And just so you know that I'm not talking about Bernie Sanders here, Sanders doesn't support Kelo.  Yet there's a candidate out there (I don't want to mention Trump's name) who lines up to the left of Bernie Sanders.  Such a candidate deserves to be attacked 24/7 by Conservatives.  Yet you would have us believe that every cop is a criminal and all the sinners saints, and claim to be a Conservative while supporting such a liberal candidate.

I think I've guessed your name.  But what's puzzling me is the nature of your game.

Mean it. 
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on July 22, 2016, 12:29:42 am

I do not consider attacking Trump all the time to be an example of conservative credentials - can see the exact same conduct from liberals.

Where in Cruz's speech last night did you hear him attack Trump?

Please enlighten us, as I think you lied.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: sneakypete on July 22, 2016, 12:32:32 am
It will be an interesting meltdown if he loses, but even worse if he wins and they have to confront what they have done instead of blame the rest of us.
@Smokin Joe   @geronl

Imagine the exploding heads if he does like I have been predicting since the day he announced he was running,and steps down too late in the race for anyone else,even his running mate to mount an effective campaign,and Bubbette! wins by default while he spends the rest of his life bragging about how "I COULD have been the president of the US if I had wanted,but decided the job was beneath me,so I stepped down."

And make no mistake about it,his massive ego will NOT allow him to face the chance of losing that big,that publicly.  He's "The Donald!",and "The Donald!" doesn't lose because he is a winner,and losing is for losers.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: geronl on July 22, 2016, 12:39:52 am
@Smokin Joe   @geronl

And make no mistake about it,his massive ego will NOT allow him to face the chance of losing that big,that publicly.  He's "The Donald!",and "The Donald!" doesn't lose because he is a winner,and losing is for losers.

The Late Octiber Surprise, maybe around the same date that McCain all but endorsed Obama.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: sneakypete on July 22, 2016, 12:41:23 am
I think what us Constitutional, limited government type conservatives find most disappointing about this election year is the lost opportunity. No one is going to disagree that the GOP Establishment needed to go but we are sure the answer isn't Progressive Nationalism /Populism.

Hillary Clinton is toxic and this shouldn't  even be a contest but instead the GOP nominates someone with higher negatives than her. And whose running one of the most divided conventions and incompetent campaigns I've seen

@LMAO

As I have been saying since he announced,he is NOT running to be the president of the United States. He is running to feed his massive ego,and I strongly suspect it was his goomba's,the Clinton's,that talked him into running.

That,of course can never be proven,but IF he does drop out late in the race AND she DOES win,the proof will be in the pudding. No way is "Mister Modesty" going to keep from bragging about how he outsmarted us all and earned "BILLIONS!" from doing it. He will have his press agent release press announcements about his new contracts.

Not that it matters because he and the Country Club/Fascist/Globalist alleged Republicans will have completely destroyed the alleged Republican Party and removed all Republican politicians from office before the 4 years are up,and we will officially be a One Part Nation,like Bubbette!'s beloved Soviet Union.

There will be no more free and open elections,and candidates will be appointed by the US Politburo. 
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: sneakypete on July 22, 2016, 12:48:35 am
The Late Octiber Surprise, maybe around the same date that McCain all but endorsed Obama.

@geron

Yup. It ain't like it hasn't been done before. At times it was hard to tell that McLunatic wasn't Obomber's running mate,not his supposed opponent.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: INVAR on July 22, 2016, 12:55:20 am
Too funny.   @txradioguy makes a generic statement addressed to no one about a DU member, and Mechanicos immediately recognizes it as himself.

Projectionists usually do. 

Like all narcissists and True Believers in a cult of personality, they assume everyone is talking about them.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: txradioguy on July 22, 2016, 05:24:31 am
Quote
I do not consider attacking Trump all the time to be an example of conservative credentials - can see the exact same conduct from liberals.

Understandable...non Conservatives and DU Liberals have no concept as to why the folks in the Reagan wing of the GOP despise Trump. You'd actually have to understand the Constitution...have an appreciation for things like freedom and liberty and Conservative principles and values.

You're not the least bit curious about history...otherwise you'd know that what Trump is selling is warmed over Bull Moose Party BS with a side helping of failed Hoover era economic policies that led to the great depression.

No you and others like you are perfectly happy being part of the goon squad for a loudmouth bully who you think is going to get you some kind of revenge against a woman and a party that has received huge ammounts of money and support from the guy yoire backing.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: kartographer on July 22, 2016, 05:53:45 am
Two facts for you: 1 I am a Christian Constitutional Conservative not somebody acting indistinguishable from a liberal attacking the GOP candidates. 2. You have not earned the respect from me to care about what you call me.

I do not consider attacking Trump all the time to be an example of conservative credentials - can see the exact same conduct from liberals. To an outsider looking in how could they tell you are not a DU denizen?

Answer me this then how is it a bad thing to you that Trump didn't get the endorsement from a man that Trump and his own team claimed for weeks was a liar, a cheat, a pedofile child abuser, serial adultery with a wife that was everything from a hag to a whore? Why? Why would he even invite such a man to speak?
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: txradioguy on July 22, 2016, 05:57:32 am
Answer me this then how is it a bad thing that you that Trump didn't get the endorsement from a man that Trump and his own team claimed for weeks was a liar, a cheat, a pedofile child abuser, serial adultery with a wife that was everything from a hag to a whore? Why? Why would he even invite such a man to speak?

Because hes about as much of a Constitutional Conservative as I am Muslim. 
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Mechanicos on July 22, 2016, 09:26:52 am


Too funny.   @txradioguy makes a generic statement addressed to no one about a DU member, and Mechanicos immediately recognizes it as himself.


Consider for a moment a candidate who supports Kelo, taxpayer funding of Planned Parenthood, amnesty for deported illegals, higher taxes for hedge fund managers, arcane trade regulations, prohibitions on a free press, and banning weapons sales to Americans without due process - all liberal positions.  Wouldn't a real Conservative be negligent in his/her Conservative duties if he/she didn't point these things out?

And just so you know that I'm not talking about Bernie Sanders here, Sanders doesn't support Kelo.  Yet there's a candidate out there (I don't want to mention Trump's name) who lines up to the left of Bernie Sanders.  Such a candidate deserves to be attacked 24/7 by Conservatives.  Yet you would have us believe that every cop is a criminal and all the sinners saints, and claim to be a Conservative while supporting such a liberal candidate.

I think I've guessed your name.  But what's puzzling me is the nature of your game.

Mean it.
Because hes called my that before. But then you have shown an aversion to facts.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Mechanicos on July 22, 2016, 09:47:37 am
Answer me this then how is it a bad thing to you that Trump didn't get the endorsement from a man that Trump and his own team claimed for weeks was a liar, a cheat, a pedofile child abuser, serial adultery with a wife that was everything from a hag to a whore? Why? Why would he even invite such a man to speak?
You see Cruz as what his lawyer fabricated image says. Smart people see him as power-hungry, dishonest and phoney.

The small petty man would not do the right thing and release his dedicated followers (like the ones on here that are attacking Trump fanatically day after day over Hurt Feelings). He was given a chance to do what a person who cared about something other then himself would do. Failing that it, it showcased just how petty, dishonest and selfish Cruz is. Cruz lost a lot of people when he did that.

So to answer your question: Before Cruz spoke he had maybe 10 percent of his dedicated followers holding out hope for him and opposing Trump. After his stupidity its to the point where his own Texas Delegates have people holding up signs saying "Clinton/Cruz 2020." In few months  Cruz will be a foot note and the 5 percent or so of his remaining dedicated followers will be still complaining.

We saw from the convention itself/ #neverTrumpers are mostly a media liberal creation that was not large in number. After Cruz immolated himself live in front of millions we have much more unity in the GOP.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Jazzhead on July 22, 2016, 10:08:13 am
Smart people see him as power-hungry, dishonest and phoney.

And stupid people refuse to see Trump as such.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on July 22, 2016, 12:49:15 pm

I do not consider attacking Trump all the time to be an example of conservative credentials - can see the exact same conduct from liberals.

Are you still trying to find where in Cruz's speech where he attacked Trump?

No?

Then you are just a liar.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Mechanicos on July 22, 2016, 01:05:51 pm
Are you still trying to find where in Cruz's speech where he attacked Trump?

No?

Then you are just a liar.
If I was the only one you would have a point. But many more then there ever were of the "nevers" saw Cruz as going 9 min past his 7 min prepared speech (cutting into Pence's speech time, his likely opponent in 2020) and campaigning for a 2020 run for President. He then tried to dog-whistle the GOPe people while insulting the Conservatives who have supported Trump. 
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: GrouchoTex on July 22, 2016, 01:12:08 pm
I have given this a little more thought in the last couple of days.

Here we have 2 candidates, they both have big egos. I say this as a Cruz supporter.
Both say they want what is best for or Country, and I believe both of them do.

The speech was seen and approved by the Trump campaign.
Donald himself tweeted that he had read it beforehand.
There is no evidence that the speech was changed.
It was unnecessary for the Trump operatives to whip up the crowd against Cruz, a charge they do not deny.
It did nothing to bring Cruz supporters the were on the fence, into the fold, but I don't think it hurt Cruz as much as everyone seems to think.
At the same time, Cruz's speech didn't help or hurt Trump all that much, either.

As both are self proclaimed Christians, an 2 things we are all taught as children would have gone along way here:

Humility and Forgiveness.

Neither demonstrated this,IMO.

Neither (as far as we know) asked the other what it would take from the other to reach an accord, an agreement, or an endorsement.
Cruz was in a tough spot. he couldn't endorse a candidate that went after his wife and father the way he did.
Trump was in a tough spot. He couldn't have someone who called him a pathological lair, when he dropped out, dictate terms and conditions.

All can argue, and with some merit, who said what first, etc.... it seems kind of small and petty now.

Again, Humility and Forgiveness.

Unfortunately, Pride and Ego got in the way of both, and the real losers here were us, the voters.

Both will live and fight on, and I believe that Cruz still has a future in politics.

Reagan, Ted Kennedy, Chris Christie, all spoke at previous conventions, without mentioning the candidates by name, or giving outright endorsements, and all continued their political careers, and one did go on to become president.

one more point:

We all claim we want politicians, who, right or wrong, stand up for what they believe in, damn the torpedoes.
Here, both do so, and we are all up in arms about it.
So, what do we really want our politicians to be like?

Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Night Hides Not on July 22, 2016, 01:37:20 pm
Because hes about as much of a Constitutional Conservative as I am Muslim.

Shalom salaam, brother!

O/T, but the auto repair shop I take my car to is owned by a Muslim. While picking up my car a few days ago, I heard the Muslim call to prayer. Irving, TX is home to thousands of Muslims, and has two large mosques, one about a mile from my house, and 1/4 mile from what once was the HQ for the Dallas Cowboys.

Valley Ranch/Coppell is an area where all faiths are booming, and have been for the 20 years I've lived there. My parish, St. Ann in Coppell has grown from roughly a few hundred families to over 8,000 families, and is now the 6th largest Catholic parish in the country. Other denominations have demonstrated substantial growth as well.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: kartographer on July 22, 2016, 01:43:00 pm
You see Cruz as what his lawyer fabricated image says. Smart people see him as power-hungry, dishonest and phoney.

The small petty man would not do the right thing and release his dedicated followers (like the ones on here that are attacking Trump fanatically day after day over Hurt Feelings). He was given a chance to do what a person who cared about something other then himself would do. Failing that it, it showcased just how petty, dishonest and selfish Cruz is. Cruz lost a lot of people when he did that.

So to answer your question: Before Cruz spoke he had maybe 10 percent of his dedicated followers holding out hope for him and opposing Trump. After his stupidity its to the point where his own Texas Delegates have people holding up signs saying "Clinton/Cruz 2020." In few months  Cruz will be a foot note and the 5 percent or so of his remaining dedicated followers will be still complaining.

We saw from the convention itself/ #neverTrumpers are mostly a media liberal creation that was not large in number. After Cruz immolated himself live in front of millions we have much more unity in the GOP.

All fine and good, but now how about answering the question?

Answer me this then how is it a bad thing to you that Trump didn't get the endorsement from a man that Trump and his own team claimed for weeks was a liar, a cheat, a pedofile child abuser, serial adultery with a wife that was everything from a hag to a whore? Why? Why would he even invite such a man to speak?
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: catfish1957 on July 22, 2016, 02:02:45 pm
Kind a fun you how everyone loved Cruz until this election.    You never heard a "conservative" say Cruz was creepy before Trump set his plan in motion.

Why many times I have called this election cycle a politically sinister episode of the Twilight Zone.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: massadvj on July 22, 2016, 02:26:54 pm

It did nothing to bring Cruz supporters the were on the fence, into the fold, but I don't think it hurt Cruz as much as everyone seems to think.

I believe that Cruz still has a future in politics.


Agreed.  But I still think Cruz should not have spoken without giving more support for the ticket. It made him look small, especially in light of his previous pledge.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 22, 2016, 02:28:40 pm
I have given this a little more thought in the last couple of days.

Here we have 2 candidates, they both have big egos. I say this as a Cruz supporter.
Both say they want what is best for or Country, and I believe both of them do.

The speech was seen and approved by the Trump campaign.
Donald himself tweeted that he had read it beforehand.
There is no evidence that the speech was changed.
It was unnecessary for the Trump operatives to whip up the crowd against Cruz, a charge they do not deny.
It did nothing to bring Cruz supporters the were on the fence, into the fold, but I don't think it hurt Cruz as much as everyone seems to think.
At the same time, Cruz's speech didn't help or hurt Trump all that much, either.

As both are self proclaimed Christians, an 2 things we are all taught as children would have gone along way here:

Humility and Forgiveness.

Neither demonstrated this,IMO.

Neither (as far as we know) asked the other what it would take from the other to reach an accord, an agreement, or an endorsement.
Cruz was in a tough spot. he couldn't endorse a candidate that went after his wife and father the way he did.
Trump was in a tough spot. He couldn't have someone who called him a pathological lair, when he dropped out, dictate terms and conditions.

All can argue, and with some merit, who said what first, etc.... it seems kind of small and petty now.

Again, Humility and Forgiveness.

Unfortunately, Pride and Ego got in the way of both, and the real losers here were us, the voters.

Both will live and fight on, and I believe that Cruz still has a future in politics.

Reagan, Ted Kennedy, Chris Christie, all spoke at previous conventions, without mentioning the candidates by name, or giving outright endorsements, and all continued their political careers, and one did go on to become president.

one more point:

We all claim we want politicians, who, right or wrong, stand up for what they believe in, damn the torpedoes.
Here, both do so, and we are all up in arms about it.
So, what do we really want our politicians to be like?
There has been a lot of talk about making America safer, about making America Great Again,

what I am looking for is "Making America Free Again".

That means less government. That means not surrendering our land, our laws, our people, to foreign governmental authority and asserting our sovereignty. That means reducing the scope and size of the federal Government. If you want to make the Constitutionally Authorized remnant more efficient, by all means, have at, but shrink it first. Get it out of my light sockets, my toilet tank, my kid's heads, public restrooms, back off my business and let me hire whom I choose, and don't make rules for my back yard 2000 miles and three climate zones away, when the only opportunity to even see that land has been from 27000 ft. on the way to the other coast.

And get the government's meathooks out of my pocket.
Why does the Federal Government own (roughly) 3 acres out of every ten in the US? Consider that most of that ownership is West of the Mississippi River, and, for those of us who live here, the Robber Baron is the Government, who also seizes water rights, effectively controlling the use of the rest of that land. Please don't tell me it is so people who will never see that land nor set foot on it can 'appreciate' it, while those of us who live here are fenced out or forced to travel that backcountry on foot or horseback.

That same meddling government, though, has abdicated its duty to guard our borders while projecting 'force' thousands of miles away, even as it shrinks the size of our Armed Forces and reduces the efficiency thereof through social experimentation. Even when it engages in the theater of 'looking out for our safety', it does so by paying attention to every group but that most likely to effect our destruction, to avoid 'profiling'.

The housing bubble, the bust, and the destruction of the savings of millions of Americans was orchestrated through the CRA and other Federal Programs, with requirements which forced financial institutions to either stop making real estate loans or discard the formerly safe and well based banking practices they had used for generations. The middle class suffered, then got to pick up the tab to bail out private corporations at taxpayer expense. If one was a holder of common stock or bonds from those corporations, one likely lost that investment as well as a condition of the Federal Bailout, using tax money.

Unlike a household which has to stop spending when the money runs out, the government continues to borrow more from the banking cartel known as the Federal Reserve. At present, the total debt this country has  exceeds GDP. Everything produced in this nation in a year does not meet the amount of the National Debt. Instead of practicing constraint, those tasked with the fiscal matters in our government continue to borrow and spend like a binging ex-wife to be running up the credit cards on the way out the door, while they, themselves, and their staffers are frequently immune to or exempt from the very laws imposed on us. Obamacare is a shining example.

There are many more concerns, but the answer is reducing the size and scope of the Federal Government and returning it to a focus on its Constitutionally assigned duties, for which it was empowered in the first place. Return power to the States and the People which has been usurped, and let each of those States act as it deems appropriate in all but those matters which are necessitated in guarding our borders. Let the people decide how much government they want in their areas, and let them pay for that level of services.

None should be immune to the laws we pass, a concept that goes back to the Magna Carta.

That's just a beginning, but to me the Constitution Party looks better and better.
I have no illusions that 'most' Americans would readily accept the sweeping changes which would accompany a return to the very small and unintrusive amount of Federal Governance outlined in the Constitution, but if this is a question of what America needs, I think that is it.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Bigun on July 22, 2016, 02:28:43 pm
Quoting a friend from FB:

"If you stand up for your principles you will have few friends in politics."

Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Liberty Tree Dr on July 22, 2016, 02:38:20 pm
@LMAO

As I have been saying since he announced,he is NOT running to be the president of the United States. He is running to feed his massive ego,and I strongly suspect it was his goomba's,the Clinton's,that talked him into running.

That,of course can never be proven...

Can never be proven - exactly right.  What you're doing is engaging in the same type of fantasy as those who thought Cruz, Walker, etc. would someone pull out a convention nomination - which didn't happen.

If Trump is all about ego, he would NEVER drop out, especially after having his children (Trumps, too) so publicly involved.  They are part of his legacy/reputation, too.  Pulling out would be a near universal meltdown for the Trump brand - and so far, the only folks in the race who have done that include Jeb Bush and Ted Cruz, Cruz just this last Wednesday.

@Mechanicos in case Trump runs things like Amway.  Mech, if you're a paid shill for Trump, I'd like to sign up under you.    :tongue2:
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Free Vulcan on July 22, 2016, 04:08:46 pm
You see Cruz as what his lawyer fabricated image says. Smart people see him as power-hungry, dishonest and phoney.

The small petty man would not do the right thing and release his dedicated followers (like the ones on here that are attacking Trump fanatically day after day over Hurt Feelings). He was given a chance to do what a person who cared about something other then himself would do. Failing that it, it showcased just how petty, dishonest and selfish Cruz is. Cruz lost a lot of people when he did that.

So to answer your question: Before Cruz spoke he had maybe 10 percent of his dedicated followers holding out hope for him and opposing Trump. After his stupidity its to the point where his own Texas Delegates have people holding up signs saying "Clinton/Cruz 2020." In few months  Cruz will be a foot note and the 5 percent or so of his remaining dedicated followers will be still complaining.

We saw from the convention itself/ #neverTrumpers are mostly a media liberal creation that was not large in number. After Cruz immolated himself live in front of millions we have much more unity in the GOP.


Those are just the delusional fantasies of the riders of the Trump Train who desperately needed to have Cruz turned into a bogeyman to justify Trump's repeated and vicious slander and lies about Cruz, so as to take away focus of Trump's own lack of character and sleazy tactics.

They need a lie to believe because Cruz shines a light and exposes Trumps failings and his false political persona and shows the extreme inadequecies of Trump and his campaign that are utterly incapable of challenging and defeating Hillary.

Problem is the Trump mob doesn't know when to stop. They got their convenient pinata, and are far more content in hitting Cruz than they are Hillary, because deep down they know their candidate is incapable of winning against her.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Bigun on July 22, 2016, 04:11:01 pm

Those are just the delusional fantasies of the riders of the Trump Train who desperately needed to have Cruz turned into a bogeyman to justify Trump's repeated and vicious slander and lies about Cruz, so as to take away focus of Trump's own lack of character and sleazy tactics.

They need a lie to believe because Cruz shines a light and exposes Trumps failings and his false political persona and shows the extreme inadequecies of Trump and his campaign that are utterly incapable of challenging and defeating Hillary.

Problem is the Trump mob doesn't know when to stop. They got their convenient pinata, and are far more content in hitting Cruz than they are Hillary, because deep down they know their candidate is incapable of winning against her.

Exactly right!  :beer:
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Rivergirl on July 22, 2016, 04:26:24 pm
Now, this is class, Mike Pence; pro-life, Hoosier, loves America.

The likes of Cruz and in fact, supporters too, could learn a lesson.

And you believe Pence abandoning ALL his principles about marriage  trade, support for Iraq war,  is something to be admired.?
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: geronl on July 22, 2016, 04:35:14 pm
@LMAO

As I have been saying since he announced,he is NOT running to be the president of the United States.

He has definitely proven that this morning.

His first press conference as nominee and he continues to make mentally ill attacks against a conservative Republican. He has no intention of uniting the party or of beating Hillary.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: sneakypete on July 22, 2016, 04:38:44 pm
Can never be proven - exactly right.  What you're doing is engaging in the same type of fantasy as those who thought Cruz, Walker, etc. would someone pull out a convention nomination - which didn't happen.

If Trump is all about ego, he would NEVER drop out, especially after having his children (Trumps, too) so publicly involved.  They are part of his legacy/reputation, too.  Pulling out would be a near universal meltdown for the Trump brand - and so far, the only folks in the race who have done that include Jeb Bush and Ted Cruz, Cruz just this last Wednesday.

@Mechanicos in case Trump runs things like Amway.  Mech, if you're a paid shill for Trump, I'd like to sign up under you.    :tongue2:

@Liberty Tree Dr

Give it a rest. You are a cheerleader for the indefensible. I get that. You have to be to not recognize the SOB is crazy as a loon.

And as a pathological liar,which is what he is,nothing he says this minute means a thing the next minute. He is a narcissistic sociopath,and reality is whatever he needs it to be to pump up his image. The man is 70 years old,and there is not ONE single event in his life anyone can point to say "That proves he is a man of moral character!" He was born into great wealth,and has done nothing his entire life but lie and steal money from people while running various cons,of which this presidential run is just the most recent.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: geronl on July 22, 2016, 04:47:40 pm
Trump has barely begun his campaign to make Hillary President. He'll give her a Congressional super-majority at this rate.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Liberty Tree Dr on July 22, 2016, 04:48:00 pm
Give it a rest. You are a cheerleader for the indefensible.

Just because you say it is indefensible, doesn't make it so.  You can state something like, "nothing you say will make me change my mind", and that would be more accurate. 
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: jmyrlefuller on July 22, 2016, 04:51:20 pm
Kind a fun you how everyone loved Cruz until this election.    You never heard a "conservative" say Cruz was creepy before Trump set his plan in motion.
It's interesting who was attacking Ted Cruz when he was making his stands in the Senate: establishment types, moderates and liberals who were afraid of losing.

Now, look at how many of them are now backing Trump. Cases in point, Mitch McConnell and John Boehner.

So whose side is Trump on, again?
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Post by: TomSea on July 22, 2016, 04:55:50 pm
It's interesting who was attacking Ted Cruz when he was making his stands in the Senate: establishment types, moderates and liberals who were afraid of losing.

Now, look at how many of them are now backing Trump. Cases in point, Mitch McConnell and John Boehner.

So whose side is Trump on, again?

Like this:
Quote
McConnell Tells GOP Senators: We’ll Drop Trump ‘Like A Hot Rock’

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2016/02/27/mcconnell-tells-gop-senators-well-drop-trump-like-a-hot-rock/#ixzz4F9p3JXJj


Why was Cruz campaigning with Trump? Case in point; so many supporters wanted a Cruz Trump ticket, they had a rally together too. There was an alliance before it broke down.

Some of these persons were against Trump before they were for him; did anyone hear Ryan come out and discount what Trump said?

Once the convention happens, I don't think anyone would deny they are striving for party unity, to support the candidate.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: sneakypete on July 22, 2016, 04:57:52 pm


Problem is the Trump mob doesn't know when to stop. They got their convenient pinata, and are far more content in hitting Cruz than they are Hillary, because deep down they know their candidate is incapable of winning against her.

@Free Vulcan

The REAL problem isn't about their adoration of the Orange Ego. The problem is they are Republican Party groupies that will for the remainder of their lives fall into instant head over heels LOVE with ANY candidate that wins the nomination of the alleged Republican Party. They did this for that evil old bastard Poppy Bush,the first Dim president in Republican clothing,they did it for Boy Jorge,they did it for John McLunatic,and they did it for Mittens. Now they are doing it for the Cookie Monster.

I guarantee you that if DiFi were to change her party affiliation to Republican and run for the WH as a Republican the next cycle,they would instantly fall in love with DiFi and blindly support her. What they NEED most of all is the same thing Donnie Little Hands needs,to be seen as "winners". If the country has to suffer to make it so,well the country just needs to suffer for it's own good.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Bigun on July 22, 2016, 04:59:33 pm
@Free Vulcan

The REAL problem isn't about their adoration of the Orange Ego. The problem is they are Republican Party groupies that will for the remainder of their lives fall into instant head over heels LOVE with ANY candidate that wins the nomination of the alleged Republican Party. They did this for that evil old bastard Poppy Bush,the first Dim president in Republican clothing,they did it for Boy Jorge,they did it for John McLunatic,and they did it for Mittens. Now they are doing it for the Cookie Monster.

I guarantee you that if DiFi were to change her party affiliation to Republican and run for the WH as a Republican the next cycle,they would instantly fall in love with DiFi and blindly support her. What they NEED most of all is the same thing Donnie Little Hands needs,to be seen as "winners". If the country has to suffer to make it so,well the country just needs to suffer for it's own good.

Unfortunately there is  LOT of truth to that!
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Mechanicos on July 22, 2016, 05:00:14 pm
The irony is its Cruz supporters claiming they are the principled ones who support the Constitution, integrity etc. Yet they ignore the Facts:
Cruz is a senior partner at a very liberal heavy democrat donor law firm that openly supports Obama and Hilary;
that he argued reasonable gun-control in his Amicus Brief to the USSC;
that he ignored the the 1st and 4th Amendment rights of Trump supporters in Chicago;
that he got most of his early funding from a gay billionaire  in Texas;
that he continued to solicit large donations from the Gay Marriage proponent people while telling his followers something else entirely; and,
that his wife is a Goldman Sachs' Partner CFR member who was one of the authors of their plan to remove US borders and create a North American Union.

Yeah, you guys are so smart so conservative and are the principled ones...  :facepalm2:

Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: rodamala on July 22, 2016, 05:08:07 pm
the #neverTrump movement was never a conservative movement - The leadership of the movement was Liberals and open border Rinos.

Must be some good weed this troll be smokin'.
:bullie smokin:
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: mountaineer on July 22, 2016, 05:10:50 pm
Must be some good weed this troll be smokin'.
I'm guessing it was sprayed with some kind of noxious pesticide.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Bigun on July 22, 2016, 05:13:06 pm
Meanwhile Rush is now busily trying to paper over Trump's unhinged press conference this morning!
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: catfish1957 on July 22, 2016, 05:33:09 pm
Must be some good weed this troll be smokin'.
:bullie smokin:

Mechanicos is a Trumpet Freeper surrogate lackey, just spreading false garbage as the mothership dictates
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: INVAR on July 22, 2016, 05:38:45 pm
The irony is its Cruz supporters claiming they are the principled ones who support the Constitution, integrity etc. Yet they ignore the Facts:
Cruz is a senior partner at a very liberal heavy democrat donor law firm that openly supports Obama and Hilary;
that he argued reasonable gun-control in his Amicus Brief to the USSC;
that he ignored the the 1st and 4th Amendment rights of Trump supporters in Chicago;
that he got most of his early funding from a gay billionaire  in Texas;
that he continued to solicit large donations from the Gay Marriage proponent people while telling his followers something else entirely; and,
that his wife is a Goldman Sachs' Partner CFR member who was one of the authors of their plan to remove US borders and create a North American Union.

Yeah, you guys are so smart so conservative and are the principled ones... 

More proof that in the General Election, it is not Hillary or the Democrats you militants see as the enemy.

It's those of us Conservatives who criticize your Trojan Stalking Horse that are the enemy.

You simply cannot stop bashing and cajoling and flicking our noses because it gives you bullies some kind of gratification.

Thanks for illustrating and demonstrating what you people actually are.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Just_Victor on July 22, 2016, 05:44:30 pm
Meanwhile Rush is now busily trying to paper over Trump's unhinged press conference this morning!

Cleanup on aisle 3.

Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: wolfcreek on July 22, 2016, 06:32:47 pm
Understandable...non Conservatives and DU Liberals have no concept as to why the folks in the Reagan wing of the GOP despise Trump. You'd actually have to understand the Constitution...have an appreciation for things like freedom and liberty and Conservative principles and values.

You're not the least bit curious about history...otherwise you'd know that what Trump is selling is warmed over Bull Moose Party BS with a side helping of failed Hoover era economic policies that led to the great depression.

No you and others like you are perfectly happy being part of the goon squad for a loudmouth bully who you think is going to get you some kind of revenge against a woman and a party that has received huge ammounts of money and support from the guy yoire backing.

Trump has given nearly twice as much money to the GOP than Democrats since '89.

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/jul/09/ben-ferguson/donald-trumps-campaign-contributions-democrats-and/

   
And you think we want revenge against Hillary? We just want her staying home with her grandchildren.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: wolfcreek on July 22, 2016, 06:38:11 pm
Are you still trying to find where in Cruz's speech where he attacked Trump?

No?

Then you are just a liar.

He attacked Trump the next morning.

(http://i68.tinypic.com/4rffco.jpg)
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Henry Noel on July 22, 2016, 06:39:41 pm
Meanwhile Rush is now busily trying to paper over Trump's unhinged press conference this morning!


He gazed up at the enormous face. Forty years it had taken him to learn what kind of smile was hidden beneath the dark moustache. O cruel, needless misunderstanding! O stubborn, self-willed exile from the loving breast! Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Brother.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: wolfcreek on July 22, 2016, 06:40:33 pm
Meanwhile Rush is now busily trying to paper over Trump's unhinged press conference this morning!

There's nothing to paper over. That's was the truth from Trump. We've known that all along.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Henry Noel on July 22, 2016, 06:40:51 pm
He attacked Trump the next morning.

(http://i68.tinypic.com/4rffco.jpg)

He didn't defame Trump's character; he defined Trump's character.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: geronl on July 22, 2016, 06:43:32 pm
Meanwhile Rush is now busily trying to paper over Trump's unhinged press conference this morning!

Rush is just an entertainer, remember, just one more celebutard.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: wolfcreek on July 22, 2016, 06:48:52 pm
He didn't defame Trump's character; he defined Trump's character.

Cruz supporters started the Wife pictures. [saying this as someone who voted for Cruz]
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: GrouchoTex on July 22, 2016, 06:53:40 pm
There has been a lot of talk about making America safer, about making America Great Again,

what I am looking for is "Making America Free Again".

That means less government. That means not surrendering our land, our laws, our people, to foreign governmental authority and asserting our sovereignty. That means reducing the scope and size of the federal Government. If you want to make the Constitutionally Authorized remnant more efficient, by all means, have at, but shrink it first. Get it out of my light sockets, my toilet tank, my kid's heads, public restrooms, back off my business and let me hire whom I choose, and don't make rules for my back yard 2000 miles and three climate zones away, when the only opportunity to even see that land has been from 27000 ft. on the way to the other coast.

And get the government's meathooks out of my pocket.
Why does the Federal Government own (roughly) 3 acres out of every ten in the US? Consider that most of that ownership is West of the Mississippi River, and, for those of us who live here, the Robber Baron is the Government, who also seizes water rights, effectively controlling the use of the rest of that land. Please don't tell me it is so people who will never see that land nor set foot on it can 'appreciate' it, while those of us who live here are fenced out or forced to travel that backcountry on foot or horseback.

That same meddling government, though, has abdicated its duty to guard our borders while projecting 'force' thousands of miles away, even as it shrinks the size of our Armed Forces and reduces the efficiency thereof through social experimentation. Even when it engages in the theater of 'looking out for our safety', it does so by paying attention to every group but that most likely to effect our destruction, to avoid 'profiling'.

The housing bubble, the bust, and the destruction of the savings of millions of Americans was orchestrated through the CRA and other Federal Programs, with requirements which forced financial institutions to either stop making real estate loans or discard the formerly safe and well based banking practices they had used for generations. The middle class suffered, then got to pick up the tab to bail out private corporations at taxpayer expense. If one was a holder of common stock or bonds from those corporations, one likely lost that investment as well as a condition of the Federal Bailout, using tax money.

Unlike a household which has to stop spending when the money runs out, the government continues to borrow more from the banking cartel known as the Federal Reserve. At present, the total debt this country has  exceeds GDP. Everything produced in this nation in a year does not meet the amount of the National Debt. Instead of practicing constraint, those tasked with the fiscal matters in our government continue to borrow and spend like a binging ex-wife to be running up the credit cards on the way out the door, while they, themselves, and their staffers are frequently immune to or exempt from the very laws imposed on us. Obamacare is a shining example.

There are many more concerns, but the answer is reducing the size and scope of the Federal Government and returning it to a focus on its Constitutionally assigned duties, for which it was empowered in the first place. Return power to the States and the People which has been usurped, and let each of those States act as it deems appropriate in all but those matters which are necessitated in guarding our borders. Let the people decide how much government they want in their areas, and let them pay for that level of services.

None should be immune to the laws we pass, a concept that goes back to the Magna Carta.

That's just a beginning, but to me the Constitution Party looks better and better.
I have no illusions that 'most' Americans would readily accept the sweeping changes which would accompany a return to the very small and unintrusive amount of Federal Governance outlined in the Constitution, but if this is a question of what America needs, I think that is it.

I agree with what you say.

I wrote my piece before the day had the next Trump fiasco, rehashing all that Ted Cruz stuff.

I give up, I just flat give up.

I don't know if the Constitution Party made it on the Texas Ballot or not.
I seem to think it do not, the last time I checked, but I don't know now.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: geronl on July 22, 2016, 06:57:10 pm
Cruz supporters started the Wife pictures. [saying this as someone who voted for Cruz]
LIE - BUZZZZzzzzzzzzzz

The pictures were in GQ magazine (I think), first of all. Trump was there and approved of them being taken on his plane.

They were recently republished by the magazine because Trump was running for President.

An independent PAC, which did not endorse candidates as far as I know, and was run by a Rubio voter used them in ads.

There was NO connection to Ted Cruz. None.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: sneakypete on July 22, 2016, 07:03:20 pm
Rush is just an entertainer, remember, just one more celebutard.

And just ONE video or photo along with the written testimony of some 12 year old Hatian or Dominican Republic black child away from saying anything they want him to say.

Anybody that doesn't think there was something more than just taking a break from DC to fly down to Haiti/Dominican Republic in a private plane for a weekend with a jumbo-sized bottle of Viagra that "just happened to be in the luggage" still believes in the Easter Bunny. There is a story there,and you can bet your bippy it has already been written and filmed,and locked away in a vault somewhere.

@geron
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 22, 2016, 07:06:05 pm
Cruz supporters started the Wife pictures. [saying this as someone who voted for Cruz]
That lie again? Maybe we should just post each documented debunking of the stock lies and keep a file of links so we can refer you to the appropriate correct information.

I also have some news for you.

No one would have posted any nude pics of the candidate's wife if there were no nude pictures of the candidate's wife around to be posted.

Apparently, those were available or they would not have been posted by that independent PAC (that happened to be a bunch of Rubio supporters). If they'd been obtained surreptitiously, someone would surely have been sued. That's how Trump rolls.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 22, 2016, 07:07:58 pm
I agree with what you say.

I wrote my piece before the day had the next Trump fiasco, rehashing all that Ted Cruz stuff.

I give up, I just flat give up.

I don't know if the Constitution Party made it on the Texas Ballot or not.
I seem to think it do not, the last time I checked, but I don't know now.
Don't give up the ship, friend. We have not yet begun to fight!

Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Hoodat on July 22, 2016, 07:11:30 pm
The irony is its Cruz supporters claiming they are the principled ones who support the Constitution, integrity etc. Yet they ignore the Facts:

that his wife is a Goldman Sachs' Partner CFR member who was one of the authors of their plan to remove US borders and create a North American Union.

Yeah, you guys are so smart so conservative and are the principled ones...  :facepalm2:

In your insecurity, I can understand you lying about Ted Cruz.  But lying about his wife too?  What's the point?

Incidentally, who gave more money to Democrats?  Ted Cruz or Donald Trump?
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Hoodat on July 22, 2016, 07:26:46 pm
That lie again? Maybe we should just post each documented debunking of the stock lies and keep a file of links so we can refer you to the appropriate correct information.

I also have some news for you.

No one would have posted any nude pics of the candidate's wife if there were no nude pictures of the candidate's wife around to be posted.

Apparently, those were available or they would not have been posted by that independent PAC (that happened to be a bunch of Rubio supporters). If they'd been obtained surreptitiously, someone would surely have been sued. That's how Trump rolls.

They were posted in a Daily Mail story last August - seven months prior to the Utah caucus.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3201088/Melania-Trump-Lady-pose-NUDE-talk-incredible-sex-life-Donald-Howard-Stern-rival-Jackie-Kennedy-elegance-style-quiet-strength.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3201088/Melania-Trump-Lady-pose-NUDE-talk-incredible-sex-life-Donald-Howard-Stern-rival-Jackie-Kennedy-elegance-style-quiet-strength.html)

Also, the top donor to the PAC in question was an Obama supporter.  Total spending for 2016 is less than $40K.  All of it against Republicans.

btw, keeping a stock file of rebuttals against their stock lies won't do any good.  They don't care about truth.  You can prove them liars today, yet they will be right back tomorrow repeating the same lie.  It's really sad.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 22, 2016, 07:33:28 pm


btw, keeping a stock file of rebuttals against their stock lies won't do any good.  They don't care about truth.  You can prove them liars today, yet they will be right back tomorrow repeating the same lie.  It's really sad.
I know that the hardcore won't even click the links. Well, we both know that, from repeatedly explaining those facts to every one of them who, when losing an argument (or sometimes, when another is), will throw that cowpie back into the barn.

It might be good to help get the new folks and tourists up to date, though.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: EasyAce on July 22, 2016, 07:35:41 pm
Yep. My state's "None of These Candidates" option just keeps looking better every day.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: thackney on July 22, 2016, 07:40:17 pm
Trump has given nearly twice as much money to the GOP than Democrats since '89.

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/jul/09/ben-ferguson/donald-trumps-campaign-contributions-democrats-and/

Thanks for the link.  It documents Trump support for Republicans is quite recent.

Quote
. In 2011, a Washington Post analysis of Trump’s donations found the majority of them going to Democrats. But the flow of cash from Trump to Democrats has fallen off; the last time he gave to a Democrat running for federal office was in 2010.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: GrouchoTex on July 22, 2016, 07:41:44 pm
Don't give up the ship, friend. We have not yet begun to fight!

I won't give up.
I'll just give up thinking Trump could be more than what I knew he really was all along.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: mountaineer on July 22, 2016, 08:05:03 pm
I read this (Psalm 26:1-5) today and Ted Cruz immediately came to mind.
Quote
Vindicate me, Lord, for I have led a blameless life; I have trusted in the Lord and have not faltered.
 
Test me, Lord, and try me, examine my heart and my mind; for I have always been mindful of your unfailing love and have lived in reliance on your faithfulness.
 
I do not sit with the deceitful, nor do I associate with hypocrites. I abhor the assembly of evildoers and refuse to sit with the wicked.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: geronl on July 22, 2016, 08:18:36 pm
Thanks for the link.  It documents Trump support for Republicans is quite recent.

and to very liberal Republican RINO's at that
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 22, 2016, 08:26:35 pm
I read this (Psalm 26:1-5) today and Ted Cruz immediately came to mind.
Thanks! I like that!
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on July 22, 2016, 08:35:17 pm
If I was the only one you would have a point. But many more then there ever were of the "nevers" saw Cruz as going 9 min past his 7 min prepared speech (cutting into Pence's speech time, his likely opponent in 2020) and campaigning for a 2020 run for President. He then tried to dog-whistle the GOPe people while insulting the Conservatives who have supported Trump.

You just won't admit an outright lie but change the topic.

Liar
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Mechanicos on July 22, 2016, 08:40:54 pm
(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a20/SunShinesfussfuss/13775841_312657615734907_2225178903510726170_n_zpsqklfusrz.jpg)
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: txradioguy on July 22, 2016, 08:44:45 pm

btw, keeping a stock file of rebuttals against their stock lies won't do any good.  They don't care about truth.  You can prove them liars today, yet they will be right back tomorrow repeating the same lie.  It's really sad.

Excellent point. I mean we have Trump on 29 March saying he wasn't going to honor the pledge AND he didn't want or need Cruz's endorsement.

Two weeks ago in DC Trump and Pribus BOTH knew Ted wasn't going to endorse trump in his speech at the Convention. 

Every Trumpkin and Fox News Trump fluffer knew HOURS in advance what Cruz was going to say.

But like clockwork there they were acting shocked and outraged at what Cruz said.

Thanks right on cue the clapping seals repeat the lie ad nauseum all over the Internet.

The art of the smear and the big lie are all that matter to these drones.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on July 22, 2016, 08:51:33 pm
He attacked Trump the next morning.


Stll @Mechanicos told a outright lie and he refuses to admit it.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Mechanicos on July 22, 2016, 08:57:43 pm
Stll @Mechanicos told a outright lie and he refuses to admit it.
He said Trump insulted his wife and Father as his excuse for being an ass. Did not happen, That's doubling down. You owe me an apology for falsely alleging I'm untruthful just because I win arguments. Knock it off and act like an adult.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: GrouchoTex on July 22, 2016, 09:05:55 pm
Look what I found:

So what was that “nasty” added line in the “first two sentences?”

The text of Cruz’s speech as it was prepared for delivery was released by the RNC before Cruz took the stage and the first few sentences read:

Thank you. Heidi and I are honored to join you here in Cleveland, where Lebron James just led an incredible comeback victory. I’m convinced America is going to come back too.

I congratulate Donald Trump on winning the nomination last night.

Conventions are times of excitement. But given the events of the last few weeks, I hope you’ll allow me a moment to talk to you about what’s really at stake.

Now, Time magazine has a transcript of Cruz’s delivered remarks, and if we put the “added” sentences in bold it reads:

Thank you, and god bless each and every one of you.

Heidi and I are so honored to join you here in Cleveland where LeBron James just lead an incredible comeback victory, and I am convinced America is going to come back too.

(APPLAUSE)

I want to congratulate Donald Trump on winning the nomination last night.

(APPLAUSE)

And, like each of you, I want to see the principles that our party believes prevail in November.

Conventions are times of excitement, but given the events of the last few weeks I hope you’ll allow me a moment to talk to you about what’s really at stake.

So, umm, which one of those sentences were “nasty?” Surely it wasn’t “God bless each and every one of you.” Likewise, it couldn’t have been “I am convinced America is going to come back too?"

Was it, “And, like each of you, I want to see the principles that our party believes in prevail in November?”

Trump said he thought it was very “dishonorable” of Sen. Cruz to add one of those sentences, that Cruz was “implying something.”

- See more at: https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2016/07/trump-is-right-ted-cruz-did-add-a-line-to-his-speech#sthash.eRkdIktI.dpuf
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: aligncare on July 22, 2016, 09:08:59 pm
(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a20/SunShinesfussfuss/13775841_312657615734907_2225178903510726170_n_zpsqklfusrz.jpg)

You're talking to irrational people, Mechanicos. They're constitutionally incapable of being swayed by logic or reason.

Unless you just enjoy the argumentation, why bother with them? In the larger picture, they are meaningless - just a few blips on the screen. History will pass them by as Donald Trump will most assuredly beat Hillary Clinton come November.

Very soon these nattering nabobs will fall into irrelevancy. Soon they will find themselves futilely screaming into a dead microphone. Because soon, very soon, people will have stopped listening to their noise and will have gotten behind the effort to make America great again.

In my humble opinion, you're posts just feed their lunacy. I wouldn't talk to them at all, except to discuss the weather.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Mechanicos on July 22, 2016, 09:17:26 pm
Look what I found:

So what was that “nasty” added line in the “first two sentences?”

The text of Cruz’s speech as it was prepared for delivery was released by the RNC before Cruz took the stage and the first few sentences read:

Thank you. Heidi and I are honored to join you here in Cleveland, where Lebron James just led an incredible comeback victory. I’m convinced America is going to come back too.

I congratulate Donald Trump on winning the nomination last night.

Conventions are times of excitement. But given the events of the last few weeks, I hope you’ll allow me a moment to talk to you about what’s really at stake.

Now, Time magazine has a transcript of Cruz’s delivered remarks, and if we put the “added” sentences in bold it reads:

Thank you, and god bless each and every one of you.

Heidi and I are so honored to join you here in Cleveland where LeBron James just lead an incredible comeback victory, and I am convinced America is going to come back too.

(APPLAUSE)

I want to congratulate Donald Trump on winning the nomination last night.

(APPLAUSE)

And, like each of you, I want to see the principles that our party believes prevail in November.

Conventions are times of excitement, but given the events of the last few weeks I hope you’ll allow me a moment to talk to you about what’s really at stake.

So, umm, which one of those sentences were “nasty?” Surely it wasn’t “God bless each and every one of you.” Likewise, it couldn’t have been “I am convinced America is going to come back too?"

Was it, “And, like each of you, I want to see the principles that our party believes in prevail in November?”

Trump said he thought it was very “dishonorable” of Sen. Cruz to add one of those sentences, that Cruz was “implying something.”

- See more at: https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2016/07/trump-is-right-ted-cruz-did-add-a-line-to-his-speech#sthash.eRkdIktI.dpuf
Oh looky its a known anti-Trump source LYING about it again. He added 2 sentences at the beginning and ran over time by almost double. Why did they leave that out? Oh yeah they like manipulating you...

How many times do the same sources have to be proven wrong before you stop lapping up every piece of BS anti-Trump propaganda the open Border's crowd (who wants Hillary) puts out?

Remember 100 percent record of being wrong is still unbroken.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: GrouchoTex on July 22, 2016, 09:19:01 pm
Oh looky its a known anti-Trump source LYING about it again. He added 2 sentences at the beginning and ran over time by almost double. Why did they leave that out? Oh yeah they like manipulating you...

How many times do the same sources have to be proven wrong before you stop lapping up every piece of BS anti-Trump propaganda the open Border's crowd (who wants Hillary) puts out?

Remember 100 percent record of being wrong is still unbroken.
Oh looky its a known anti-Trump source LYING about it again. He added 2 sentences at the beginning and ran over time by almost double. Why did they leave that out? Oh yeah they like manipulating you...

How many times do the same sources have to be proven wrong before you stop lapping up every piece of BS anti-Trump propaganda the open Border's crowd (who wants Hillary) puts out?

Remember 100 percent record of being wrong is still unbroken.

Go ahead and find a different source.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: wolfcreek on July 22, 2016, 09:21:05 pm
LIE - BUZZZZzzzzzzzzzz

The pictures were in GQ magazine (I think), first of all. Trump was there and approved of them being taken on his plane.

They were recently republished by the magazine because Trump was running for President.

An independent PAC, which did not endorse candidates as far as I know, and was run by a Rubio voter used them in ads.

There was NO connection to Ted Cruz. None.

So says you..

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/naked-picture-donald-trumps-wife-7622324

http://nypost.com/2016/03/27/the-ugly-history-of-smearing-presidential-candidates-wives/

and this is hardly the same sort of 'attack'.

(http://static4.businessinsider.com/image/56f3825e52bcd01d7b8b83e0-635-663/trumpheidimelaniatweet.png)

Ted's FOS and so are some of his supporters at this stage.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: INVAR on July 22, 2016, 09:22:19 pm
Go ahead and find a different source.

When the same source publishes something spiffy and nice about their prince, he will be the first to trumpet it.

The guy is either a paid Operative or a fanatical True Believer who wants to have Trump's baby.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: wolfcreek on July 22, 2016, 09:23:27 pm
Don't give up the ship, friend. We have not yet begun to fight!

To get Hillary elected....
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: aligncare on July 22, 2016, 09:29:54 pm
To get Hillary elected....

This
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: truth_seeker on July 22, 2016, 09:32:31 pm
You're talking to irrational people, Mechanicos. They're constitutionally incapable of being swayed by logic or reason.


FACT: "Constitutionally Incapable" is a descriptive phrase in the book Alcoholics Anonymous for those who cannot or will not be honest, and stop drinking.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: GrouchoTex on July 22, 2016, 09:32:51 pm
Oh looky its a known anti-Trump source LYING about it again. He added 2 sentences at the beginning and ran over time by almost double. Why did they leave that out? Oh yeah they like manipulating you...

How many times do the same sources have to be proven wrong before you stop lapping up every piece of BS anti-Trump propaganda the open Border's crowd (who wants Hillary) puts out?

Remember 100 percent record of being wrong is still unbroken.

I  believe you are the one being manipulated here.
Find something different, to back up Trump's claim about the added line(s) and I will check it out.
I have no fear.
BTW, this thing about accusing everyone who thinks Trump may be a bit of as an open borders crowd person, is just weak.
So, after this convention, if you are pro-Trump, are are you now an LGBTQ enthusiast?
(To quote Seinfeld, "Not that there's anything wrong with that).
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: beandog on July 22, 2016, 09:33:47 pm
To get Hillary elected....
That is exactly what you and the rest of the tRumpbots are doing.  Working to get Hillary elected.  Doing a fine job of too.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: wolfcreek on July 22, 2016, 09:36:15 pm
Thanks for the link.  It documents Trump support for Republicans is quite recent.

Liked that? Here's another one showing Ted, once again, making excuses for his Wife and trashing people who asked questions. [can't believe i voted for this guy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiFKtC6a9do

Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Just_Victor on July 22, 2016, 09:36:43 pm
That is exactly what you and the rest of the tRumpbots are doing.  Working to get Hillary elected.  Doing a fine job of too.

Actually the Trump supporters don't have to do a thing in that regard.   By continuing to run against Cruz, Trump will do quite well in that category all by himself.

Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: wolfcreek on July 22, 2016, 09:38:22 pm
That is exactly what you and the rest of the tRumpbots are doing.  Working to get Hillary elected.  Doing a fine job of too.

Really? if not Trump, then who would you vote for?

Check out the polls, it's quite a close race.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: truth_seeker on July 22, 2016, 09:41:38 pm
When the same source publishes something spiffy and nice about their prince, he will be the first to trumpet it.

The guy is either a paid Operative or a fanatical True Believer who wants to have Trump's baby.

Just when I think #nevertrumps would start getting over their hangovers, this filth gets posted.

I will say this clearly. Before the refugees came here, that filth would not stand.

And from somebody which purports to hold high religious values.

Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: geronl on July 22, 2016, 09:46:21 pm
So says you..
....
and this is hardly the same sort of 'attack'.


SO says reality.

and yes it was an attack and they admitted it was an attack.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: INVAR on July 22, 2016, 09:49:14 pm
Just when I think #nevertrumps would start getting over their hangovers, this filth gets posted.

I will say this clearly. Before the refugees came here, that filth would not stand.

And from somebody which purports to hold high religious values.

Just go hit the 'report to moderator' button as you do on countless threads and comments every single time your panties get in a twist over something you do not like that is said about your prince or your fanaticism for a madman.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: EasyAce on July 22, 2016, 09:51:50 pm
(https://scontent-sjc2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/s552x414/13754231_10154009568362912_7744494449446047875_n.jpg?oh=066f3aa4be38f86062659a65d921b546&oe=582F9957)
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: aligncare on July 22, 2016, 10:18:31 pm
Really? if not Trump, then who would you vote for?

Check out the polls, it's quite a close race.

More than just a close race, wolf. Mr. Trump has been whittling down Clinton's poll numbers for months, and this is even before the general election, where a direct comparison between Trump and Clinton is just beginning. When that happens voters will see two starkly different candidates. And then there will come an ah-ha moment for most voters.

The stars are aligning and I reckon Donald Trump will be the next president of the United States - #NeverTrump not withstanding.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: aligncare on July 22, 2016, 10:22:32 pm

Panties? Trump's out of wedlock baby? Oh, my! What's becoming of this place?
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 22, 2016, 10:24:53 pm
Quote
We have not yet begun to fight.

To get Hillary elected....
Actually, this time I view either major party option as unacceptable.

I will vote my conscience or not at all.

The fight to which I refer is building a new Party or finding one based on Constitutional principles which can be built into a significant political force in the next 20 years. And we have just started that fight.  :seeya:
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 22, 2016, 10:28:25 pm
This
Not!
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: INVAR on July 22, 2016, 10:32:59 pm
Panties? Trump's out of wedlock baby? Oh, my! What's becoming of this place?

Oh I don't know, promises of death for treason by Trump Militants?  Fantasizing about 'stringing up Nevertrumps' and/or shooting or hanging us for treason and betrayal?

Be sure to hit the 'report to moderator' button.  The mods apparently have nothing better to do but wade through multitudes of complaints sent by you Trump people over every perceived slight you encounter about your prince.

Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: truth_seeker on July 22, 2016, 10:41:25 pm
Oh I don't know, promises of death for treason by Trump Militants?  Fantasizing about 'stringing up Nevertrumps' and/or shooting or hanging us for treason and betrayal?

Be sure to hit the 'report to moderator' button.  The mods apparently have nothing better to do but wade through multitudes of complaints sent by you Trump people over every perceived slight you encounter about your prince.

Trump Militants is YOUR fantasy.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: txradioguy on July 22, 2016, 10:44:51 pm
Trump Militants is YOUR fantasy.

 :silly:
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: INVAR on July 22, 2016, 10:58:28 pm
where a direct comparison between Trump and Clinton is just beginning. When that happens voters will see two starkly different candidates. And then there will come an ah-ha moment for most voters.

And what differences shall we see?  A pro Homosexual, pro-big government, a bigger pen and phone to impose punishment on private companies and  the same trade platform that Hillary shares with Bernie and Trump?

Ah… I know, Hillary doesn't attack members of her own party.  THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE!


The stars are aligning and I reckon Donald Trump will be the next president of the United States - #NeverTrump not withstanding.

Trump got no post-Convention bounce so you people better start focusing on attacking Hilary rather than those of us who are voting 3rd Party Conservative - because all you are doing is giving her the edge over your prince and driving a hell of a lot of people into sitting out November.

But you people won't.  Because you hate us more than Hillary simply because we refuse to genuflect your champion and pledge fealty.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: billva on July 22, 2016, 11:36:16 pm
@truth_seeker

I may be wrong,but I think this will help him politically in the future. It shows him to be a man of character. Someone that will stick with what they think is right even if it is unpopular at the time.

ANY fool can join a mob.

I think you are wrong and Cruz ended his chances at the Presidential nomination.

Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: geronl on July 22, 2016, 11:38:31 pm
When Trump stop attacking conservatives and Republicans, he might find some time to start his scampaign against Hillary
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Mechanicos on July 22, 2016, 11:43:14 pm
I  believe you are the one being manipulated here.
Find something different, to back up Trump's claim about the added line(s) and I will check it out.
I have no fear.
BTW, this thing about accusing everyone who thinks Trump may be a bit of as an open borders crowd person, is just weak.
So, after this convention, if you are pro-Trump, are are you now an LGBTQ enthusiast?
(To quote Seinfeld, "Not that there's anything wrong with that).
Logic says that the one who has a perfect record of being proven right has the presumption going forward over the one who has a 100% failure record. When your sources and your arguments have been impeached you do not get to demand anything.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 22, 2016, 11:46:16 pm
Logic says that the one who has a perfect record of being proven right has the presumption going forward over the one who has a 100% failure record. When your sources and your arguments have been impeached you do not get to demand anything.
:silly: :silly: :silly: :silly: :silly: :silly: :silly:

Logic says that past performance is no guarantee of future returns.

Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: txradioguy on July 22, 2016, 11:48:14 pm
I think you are wrong and Cruz ended his chances at the Presidential nomination.

He ended his hopes the same way Reagan did in 1976 when he didn't endorse Ford.

It TOTALLY killed his political career. 
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Mechanicos on July 22, 2016, 11:49:28 pm
:silly: :silly: :silly: :silly: :silly: :silly: :silly:

Logic says that past performance is no guarantee of future returns.
its the way to bet tho.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: INVAR on July 22, 2016, 11:51:14 pm
Logic says that the one who has a perfect record of being proven right has the presumption going forward over the one who has a 100% failure record. When your sources and your arguments have been impeached you do not get to demand anything.

Says the paid sycophant who has to create TWO threads on the same exact subject and post them on the main because he isn't getting enough attention to flick our noses and mentally masturbate out loud his political prowess and infallibility.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Mechanicos on July 22, 2016, 11:54:29 pm
He ended his hopes the same way Reagan did in 1976 when he didn't endorse Ford.

It TOTALLY killed his political career.
Regan did not have a bad reputation tho as a dishonest power hungry political. Even if you do not agree with that the fact is that's how many conservatives see him now after the Primary. And what happened at the convention combined with his morning disaster with the Texas delegation (his donors wanting to attack him, etc) indicates hes in trouble.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Gov Bean Counter on July 22, 2016, 11:58:40 pm
Regan did not have a bad reputation tho as a dishonest power hungry political. Even if you do not agree with that the fact is that's how many conservatives see him now after the Primary. And what happened at the convention combined with his morning disaster with the Texas delegation (his donors wanting to attack him, etc) indicates hes in trouble.

"Reagan", but you would know that if you weren't an outsourced disrupter from India. Cruz has all the right friends and all the right enemies.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Just_Victor on July 23, 2016, 12:02:07 am
Trump Militants is YOUR fantasy.

Kinda like our collective banning from TOS.  :nometalk:
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: mountaineer on July 23, 2016, 12:32:10 am
Regan did not have a bad reputation tho as a dishonest power hungry political. Even if you do not agree with that the fact is that's how many conservatives see him now after the Primary. And what happened at the convention combined with his morning disaster with the Texas delegation (his donors wanting to attack him, etc) indicates hes in trouble.
Why do you care? Didn't your guy win?
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Just_Victor on July 23, 2016, 12:37:50 am
Why do you care? Didn't your guy win?

Maybe because it's easier to beat up a vanquished foe knowing you'll continue to win, than it is to take on the new foe that you don't think you can defeat.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: skeeter on July 23, 2016, 12:40:17 am
Why do you care? Didn't your guy win?

Because the goal is to obliterate the real enemy, limited government-believing constitutionalists.

Hell, Hillary is their friend.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: jmyrlefuller on July 23, 2016, 12:51:05 am
Trump Militants is YOUR fantasy.
What would it take for you to believe it?
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Rivergirl on July 23, 2016, 01:23:26 am
Rita Cosby, a pom pom girl for the trumpanzee was VERY critical of his behavior.  She felt he undid all he gained at the convention.   She also said people inside the arena couldn't figure out what he was doing when he kept stepping back from the podium.  He is beginning to frighten a lot of people who were supporters.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Bigun on July 23, 2016, 01:29:19 am
You're talking to irrational people, Mechanicos. They're constitutionally incapable of being swayed by logic or reason.

Unless you just enjoy the argumentation, why bother with them? In the larger picture, they are meaningless - just a few blips on the screen. History will pass them by as Donald Trump will most assuredly beat Hillary Clinton come November.

Very soon these nattering nabobs will fall into irrelevancy. Soon they will find themselves futilely screaming into a dead microphone. Because soon, very soon, people will have stopped listening to their noise and will have gotten behind the effort to make America great again.

In my humble opinion, you're posts just feed their lunacy. I wouldn't talk to them at all, except to discuss the weather.

Yet here you are polluting this tread with your bile again!
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Hoodat on July 23, 2016, 02:04:27 am
Even if you do not agree with that the fact is that's how many conservatives see him now after the Primary.

(http://pbs.twimg.com/media/B1PDoGmIUAE4OCd.jpg)

Just so you know, the word 'Conservative' is always capitalized.  And for the record, Conservatives don't vote for people in favor of universal health care, insurance mandates, touchback amnesty, taxpayer funding of abortion mills, Kelo, denying the right to purchase firearms without due process, etc.  The fact that you are willing to do so shows that you are not a Conservative.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: LMAO on July 23, 2016, 02:08:24 am
In all of this Trump verses Hillary, one fact is overlooked. BHO has a JAR in the 50's. That could end up being a plus for Hillary. Trump can little afford these missteps
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Hoodat on July 23, 2016, 02:08:58 am
Rita Cosby, a pom pom girl for the trumpanzee was VERY critical of his behavior.  She felt he undid all he gained at the convention.   She also said people inside the arena couldn't figure out what he was doing when he kept stepping back from the podium.  He is beginning to frighten a lot of people who were supporters.

I saw my first Hillary Clinton ad today.  It was devastating.  It showed pictures of kids looking like they had just been flashed by some weirdo in a trench coat while Trump's voice played in the background.  Trump being Trump.  At least they bleeped out the profanity.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Hoodat on July 23, 2016, 02:13:46 am
Logic says that the one who has a perfect record of being proven right has the presumption going forward over the one who has a 100% failure record. When your sources and your arguments have been impeached you do not get to demand anything.

This is a classic example of non-rational persuasion.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 23, 2016, 02:31:08 am
In all of this Trump verses Hillary, one fact is overlooked. BHO has a JAR in the 50's. That could end up being a plus for Hillary. Trump can little afford these missteps
JAR?
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Just_Victor on July 23, 2016, 02:34:10 am
JAR?

Took me a few minutes, but Job Approval Rating.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 23, 2016, 02:59:55 am
Took me a few minutes, but Job Approval Rating.
Thanks! I couldn't pull that one out.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: geronl on July 23, 2016, 03:21:40 am
Logic says that the one who has a perfect record of being proven right has the presumption going forward over the one who has a 100% failure record. When your sources and your arguments have been impeached you do not get to demand anything.

Trump has a proven record of being a yuge liar, a cad, a pervert, a liberal and wrong on almost everything, his endorsement is toxic, ask Renee Ellmers.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 23, 2016, 03:27:05 am
JAR - glass container with metal lid.

JAR:
(https://www.freemanharding.co.uk/img/p/30-32-thickbox.jpg)

 :tongue2:
Shaken abruptly, not stirred, no doubt.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: kartographer on July 23, 2016, 07:26:09 am
Regan did not have a bad reputation tho as a dishonest power hungry political. Even if you do not agree with that the fact is that's how many conservatives see him now after the Primary. And what happened at the convention combined with his morning disaster with the Texas delegation (his donors wanting to attack him, etc) indicates hes in trouble.
I actually half expected that when Cruz came out Vince McMahon and three or four WWE wrestlers would jump up on the stage and grab Cruz shave his head and they make a brunt sacrifice to Trump of it. That is exactly the type of campaign he is running just like a WWE big run up to a giant pay per view  extravaganza!

I am sure you Trumpster would have loved it!

Mechanicos you have nothing to worry about The Donald will beat the hilderbeast and will make a excellent Emperor wears no clothes better and it is for certain that Trump has proven that  no one knows more about bread and circuses than he does.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Frank Cannon on July 23, 2016, 07:33:44 am
Well if Ill Duche is still fighting Cruz, then the dumb bastard is fighting the wrong opponent.

What a genious..
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: txradioguy on July 23, 2016, 07:50:47 am
Well if Ill Duche is still fighting Cruz, then the dumb bastard is fighting the wrong opponent.

What a genious..

He's going after who he deems is the bigger threat.

It's more important for him to get revenge on Cruz than defeat Hillary in the general election. 
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: sneakypete on July 23, 2016, 10:32:30 am
Well if Ill Duche is still fighting Cruz, then the dumb bastard is fighting the wrong opponent.

What a genious..

@Frank Cannon

You misspelled "Douche".

Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Just_Victor on July 23, 2016, 11:44:00 am
JAR - glass container with metal lid.

JAR:
(https://www.freemanharding.co.uk/img/p/30-32-thickbox.jpg)

 :tongue2:

HA!    Amateur....
(http://img.ifcdn.com/images/f84b37fb2401843a595d0d7bdaf4b36539c5e652e1ac2341d3ffdc01fc9b863f_1.jpg)
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Gov Bean Counter on July 23, 2016, 12:43:21 pm
(http://pbs.twimg.com/media/B1PDoGmIUAE4OCd.jpg)

Just so you know, the word 'Conservative' is always capitalized.  And for the record, Conservatives don't vote for people in favor of universal health care, insurance mandates, touchback amnesty, taxpayer funding of abortion mills, Kelo, denying the right to purchase firearms without due process, etc.  The fact that you are willing to do so shows that you are not a Conservative.

The dipstick thinks RR spelled his last name Regan. Nobody with any Conservative chops would make that mistake.

Methinks this one is just another outsourced spammer from India.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: aligncare on July 23, 2016, 01:20:20 pm
Okay, diehard cruzers, tell me this. How come Hugh Hewitt, who was adamantly apposed to Donald Trump's candidacy (more like hated the man with the white hot intensity of a thousand suns), and yet after listening to Mr. Trump's acceptance speech boarded the Trump Train? Yes, that's right, I heard him on his radio show  make a compelling case why everyone should vote for Donald Trump.

Now, that tells me that neverTrump is capable of rational thought.

The ball is in your court never Trumps...
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Bigun on July 23, 2016, 01:23:51 pm
Okay, diehard cruzers, tell me this. How come Hugh Hewitt, who was adamantly apposed to Donald Trump's candidacy (more like hated the man with the white hot intensity of a thousand suns), and yet after listening to Mr. Trump's acceptance speech boarded the Trump Train? Yes, that's right, I heard him on his radio show  make a compelling case why everyone should vote for Donald Trump.

Now, that tells me that neverTrump is capable of rational thought.

The ball is in your court never Trumps...

http://spectator.org/you-wanted-trump-youve-got-him/

Live with it!
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: catfish1957 on July 23, 2016, 01:49:01 pm
Go ahead and find a different source.

Mechanicos is a serial liar, who gets his marching orders from TOS.  Pretty much have gotten used to it.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Mechanicos on July 23, 2016, 01:54:53 pm
Mechanicos is a serial liar, who gets his marching orders from TOS.  Pretty much have gotten used to it.
Kicking your ass with truth buddy is not lying.
You obviously cannot tell a liar from a truth teller.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: aligncare on July 23, 2016, 01:59:46 pm
Mechanicos is a serial liar, who gets his marching orders from TOS.  Pretty much have gotten used to it.

And you object to Donald Trump because he said, "lying" Ted?
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: txradioguy on July 23, 2016, 02:03:55 pm
And you object to Donald Trump because he said, "lying" Ted?

Cruz didnt lie. Trump zombies like you have yet to prove otherwise.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: GrouchoTex on July 23, 2016, 02:08:42 pm
Logic says that the one who has a perfect record of being proven right has the presumption going forward over the one who has a 100% failure record. When your sources and your arguments have been impeached you do not get to demand anything.

How Totalitarian of you!
I didn't demand anything.
I asked you to refute it.
Your dictatorial answer was I had no right to ask, due to a "100%" failure record.

Since Totalitarian  hyperbole is how you answer, you fit right in with the crowd you are running with.

Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: catfish1957 on July 23, 2016, 02:30:12 pm
Kicking your ass with truth buddy is not lying.
You obviously cannot tell a liar from a truth teller.

Like failing to answer the same question 3 times, by serial obfuscation. 

You are too damn funny.  Go away Freeper spammer.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Just_Victor on July 23, 2016, 02:34:24 pm
Like failing to answer the same question 3 times, by serial obfuscation. 

You are too damn funny.  Go away Freeper spammer.

Let him stay.  We need the laughs.  88finger point
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Mod2 on July 23, 2016, 03:12:13 pm
Kicking your ass with truth buddy is not lying.
You obviously cannot tell a liar from a truth teller.

And you have been told, frequently, to tone down the insults. You're timed out.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: rodamala on July 23, 2016, 03:34:27 pm
You owe me an apology for falsely alleging I'm untruthful just because I win arguments. Knock it off and act like an adult.

I wish we owed you an apology for kicking your sorry troll ass.  Fortunately, we owe you nothing.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Hoodat on July 23, 2016, 03:57:29 pm
Let him stay.  We need the laughs. 

I  concur.  Every time he posts, he drives people further away from Trump.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: catfish1957 on July 23, 2016, 04:03:06 pm
I  concur.  Every time he posts, he drives people further away from Trump.

Will have to wait for another 24 hours I guess.

Mech has been beamed back to the Freeper Mother Ship.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: JustPassinThru on July 23, 2016, 04:04:15 pm
Okay, diehard cruzers, tell me this. How come Hugh Hewitt, who was adamantly apposed to Donald Trump's candidacy (more like hated the man with the white hot intensity of a thousand suns), and yet after listening to Mr. Trump's acceptance speech boarded the Trump Train? Yes, that's right, I heard him on his radio show  make a compelling case why everyone should vote for Donald Trump.

Now, that tells me that neverTrump is capable of rational thought.

The ball is in your court never Trumps...

Hugh Hewitt is the voice of Conventional Wisdom - the Compleat Republican Insider.

He has always thus been.  Articulate and persuasive, he nonetheless is just a tape-loop for what the RINO brigade wants.  He was all for TARP, for example, and was rephrasing the argument that it had to be done to prevent complete collapse of the fiscal system.

Of course he was wrong, as RINOs are always wrong.  It CAUSED the destruction of the open, market-based financial system by PREVENTING those outfits that had failed from the consequences of their failure.  Their failure and the consequences would have cleared the deck - capitalism's "Creative Destruction" - and then led to inquiries as to WHY, specifically sub-prime mortgage lending mandated by the CRA.

That was when I tuned him out.

He was opposed to Trump because the Party Insiders were opposed to Trump.  Their Boy Blunder was Shrub.  So he had to join the chorus of those trying to shout Trump down.

Didn't work.

NOW...the Insiders have made their own peace with Trump.  They hate him, still, because he cut the line - he didn't pay his dues; he didn't kiss the rings; he didn't spend a lifetime climbing under their watch - but that aside, he's one of Them.  An insider...YES.  He made his money being an interfacer and graft-channeler with Tammany Hall.  What could be more Inside than that?  He gave to Establishment pols - not R pols but Estatablishment pols.  He wants what they want - "Great Deals" and crony connections.  He's malleable.  He knows what runs the Status Quo - MONEY.

Cruz was a genuine threat to this comfortable (for them) status quo.  And Cruz remains - he must be OBLITERATED.  Trump is not...he cut the line; he didn't do it Our Way; but we can live with that.

And if he's a Billary plant, we can live with that, too.  That's the RINO view and that's Hewitt's view.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: INVAR on July 23, 2016, 04:42:31 pm
Hugh Hewitt is the voice of Conventional Wisdom - the Compleat Republican Insider.

He has always thus been.  Articulate and persuasive, he nonetheless is just a tape-loop for what the RINO brigade wants.  He was all for TARP, for example, and was rephrasing the argument that it had to be done to prevent complete collapse of the fiscal system.

Of course he was wrong, as RINOs are always wrong.  It CAUSED the destruction of the open, market-based financial system by PREVENTING those outfits that had failed from the consequences of their failure.  Their failure and the consequences would have cleared the deck - capitalism's "Creative Destruction" - and then led to inquiries as to WHY, specifically sub-prime mortgage lending mandated by the CRA.

That was when I tuned him out.

He was opposed to Trump because the Party Insiders were opposed to Trump.  Their Boy Blunder was Shrub.  So he had to join the chorus of those trying to shout Trump down.

Didn't work.

NOW...the Insiders have made their own peace with Trump.  They hate him, still, because he cut the line - he didn't pay his dues; he didn't kiss the rings; he didn't spend a lifetime climbing under their watch - but that aside, he's one of Them.  An insider...YES.  He made his money being an interfacer and graft-channeler with Tammany Hall.  What could be more Inside than that?  He gave to Establishment pols - not R pols but Estatablishment pols.  He wants what they want - "Great Deals" and crony connections.  He's malleable.  He knows what runs the Status Quo - MONEY.

Cruz was a genuine threat to this comfortable (for them) status quo.  And Cruz remains - he must be OBLITERATED.  Trump is not...he cut the line; he didn't do it Our Way; but we can live with that.

And if he's a Billary plant, we can live with that, too.  That's the RINO view and that's Hewitt's view.

THIS! ^^^^^^^
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: bob434 on July 23, 2016, 04:55:58 pm


Donald Trump claimign hte high road said a 'man shoudl keep his word' and callign Ted despicable for not doing so- So didn't trumps son

"Donald Trump had helped draft the will. At the time, Freddy Trump’s
children sued, claiming Donald Trump and his siblings had used “undue
influence” over their grandfather, who had dementia.

Donald
retaliated by withdrawing the medical benefits he had promised to his
nephew’s infant son, who suffered from seizures that led to cerebral
palsy, according to the Times."

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballo...

At le asst Ted breaking his promise AFTER trump turned out to be so nasty won't lead ot cerebral palsy! Trump Abrogated (abrogated adjective annulled, barred, declared null and void) the pledge by changing so radically AFTER you conned Ted into supporting you- Ted CRuz was absolutely right to refuse to further support you once you turned into the vicious maligning, slander person you did!

Had someone pledged to support a person like Farakan, or David Duke BEFORE either of them turned to their hateful ways, they would be under NO obligation to go on supporting them because those p people Abrogated the pledge by their actions- Donald turned into a hateful spiteful vicious person AFTER Ted said he would support him for the presidency-

Donald Abrogated that pledge by proving he isn't fit to be president- up until Trump became so nasty- People simply wondered whether he could lead or not, and folks were willign to at least give him a chance- when trump later did the despicable things he did- He proved too immature to be president- He revealed to everyone that he is a petty vicious person in a way that made it clear He was NOT the man that people thought he was- Ted was absolutely correct to break his pledge to support him After being deceived by him and later learning the truth about trump!

Ted shoudl throw that statement about what trump did to his nephew back in trumps face and say "Tell me again how you are a 'man of your word'? Because frankly I'm not seeing it! And Don't worry Donald, at least you won't get cerebral palsy because I later learned what a deespicable person you are and decided I could no longer, in good conscience, support you- Perhaps you sir are the one America needs to call "Lyin""
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Bigun on July 23, 2016, 05:28:40 pm
And you object to Donald Trump because he said, "lying" Ted?
You misspelled Lion!
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: wolfcreek on July 23, 2016, 05:32:53 pm
SO says reality.

and yes it was an attack and they admitted it was an attack.

I don't know why Cruz would be upset about that picture except for the fact he has to wake up to that mug every morning.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: rodamala on July 23, 2016, 05:45:08 pm
Will have to wait for another 24 hours I guess.

Mech has been beamed back to Freeper Mother Ship.

Why do I have the feeling Mech is the same troll as Greeting Puny Humans?
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: catfish1957 on July 23, 2016, 05:46:22 pm
Why do I have the feeling Mech is the same troll as Greeting Puny Humans?

Could be.  If you have seen one Trump troll, you have seen them all.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: LMAO on July 23, 2016, 05:51:55 pm
I don't know why Cruz would be upset about that picture except for the fact he has to wake up to that mug every morning.

The issue isn't the pic Trump tweeted. The issue is that was his first instinct in reaction to the Melina ad. Whether it's stating that Megyn Kelly is bleeding when she asked tough questions or mocking a reporters disability that was critical of him or saying that the Trump U judge is Mexican and therefore against him and that Heidi vs Melina tweet, his first instinct in response to any criticism seems to require someone coming along and cleaning up afterwards and doing damage control

That may get folks like you pumping your fist in the air while going, "Woot, woot, "  but the general public isn't as forgiving as you and after so many of these damage controls, the public may decide he's too risky for CIC
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: driftdiver on July 23, 2016, 05:54:23 pm
To get Hillary elected....

I thought we didn't matter?

But really is that all you got?   
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 23, 2016, 05:58:43 pm
Okay, diehard cruzers, tell me this. How come Hugh Hewitt, who was adamantly apposed to Donald Trump's candidacy (more like hated the man with the white hot intensity of a thousand suns), and yet after listening to Mr. Trump's acceptance speech boarded the Trump Train? Yes, that's right, I heard him on his radio show  make a compelling case why everyone should vote for Donald Trump.

Now, that tells me that neverTrump is capable of rational thought.

The ball is in your court never Trumps...
Isn't Trump the one who wants to purge the media of all who don't like him? (By peeling back the First Amendment so more broadcasters, writers, and commentaters can be sued--the mere costs of defending against such can bankrupt the average person, so in effect it is a muzzle on dissent.)

Maybe Hewitt is just running scared, maybe he's more afraid of Hillary, maybe he signed in blood.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: geronl on July 23, 2016, 06:04:23 pm
and yet after listening to Mr. Trump's acceptance speech boarded the Trump Train? Yes, that's right, I heard him on his radio show  make a compelling case why everyone should vote for Donald Trump.


Trump made a speech that proved he was a liberal Democrat. GOPe and RINO's don't care about the content, they back the party no matter what.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Just_Victor on July 23, 2016, 06:05:53 pm
I thought we didn't matter?

But really is that all you got?   

I'm sure there's plenty more where that came from, but we'll need a proctologist and a flashlight to get to it.

Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: geronl on July 23, 2016, 06:06:59 pm
Why do I have the feeling Mech is the same troll as Greeting Puny Humans?

The production of Trump trolls has been outsourced to India and China.

(http://cache.boston.com/universal/site_graphics/blogs/bigpicture/manuf_02_20/m11_17109615.jpg)
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: wolfcreek on July 23, 2016, 06:09:00 pm
I thought we didn't matter?

But really is that all you got?   

If your neverTrump rhetoric leads to a Clinton presidency, then you will matter.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 23, 2016, 06:09:40 pm
I don't know why Cruz would be upset about that picture except for the fact he has to wake up to that mug every morning.
You a BIG MAN, too!
Aside from being a lousy picture instead of a glamor shot, anyone caught in just the wrong light, at the wrong angle, with the wrong expression can appear far worse than they do in day-to-day life.
Whatever the case, it isn't really up to you nor me nor Donny Trump to insult the appearance of another man's wife fro campaign material. There were plenty of issues to discuss.
I must note that you are playing by the donny trump rule book, so YOU a BIG MAN, too.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 23, 2016, 06:10:14 pm
I'm sure there's plenty more where that came from, but we'll need a proctologist and a flashlight to get to it.
Nah. Just wait, that too will pass.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: catfish1957 on July 23, 2016, 06:10:31 pm
If your neverTrump rhetoric leads to a Clinton presidency, then you will matter.

What...... are you going to join Mechanicos and kick our asses? :silly:
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: wolfcreek on July 23, 2016, 06:11:40 pm
You a BIG MAN, too!
Aside from being a lousy picture instead of a glamor shot, anyone caught in just the wrong light, at the wrong angle, with the wrong expression can appear far worse than they do in day-to-day life.
Whatever the case, it isn't really up to you nor me nor Donny Trump to insult the appearance of another man's wife fro campaign material. There were plenty of issues to discuss.
I must note that you are playing by the donny trump rule book, so YOU a BIG MAN, too.

Personally, I think Heidi is a lovely woman. It's her past positions that make her and Ted ugly.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 23, 2016, 06:13:26 pm
If your neverTrump rhetoric leads to a Clinton presidency, then you will matter.
Hey, we didn't nominate him. We didn't nominate her, either. Own it. You broke it, you bought it.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 23, 2016, 06:14:46 pm
Personally, I think Heidi is a lovely woman. It's her past positions that make her and Ted ugly.
What? Having a job at a bank? Writing a paragraph in a report? What positions? Cite what she said or wrote that you find so ugly. I'm all eyes.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Gov Bean Counter on July 23, 2016, 06:16:10 pm
The production of Trump trolls has been outsourced to India and China.

(http://cache.boston.com/universal/site_graphics/blogs/bigpicture/manuf_02_20/m11_17109615.jpg)

Hey now. I asked Mech how things were going in Mumbai and was instructed to pull or edit the offending post.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: INVAR on July 23, 2016, 06:16:46 pm
If your neverTrump rhetoric leads to a Clinton presidency, then you will matter.

I thought you Trump Militants have said we are a small, fringe minority and we are totally and completely irrelevant?

How can we lead to a Clinton presidency simply because we oppose your prince when we are said that we do not matter?

And if we do somehow matter as you fear, because we adamantly refuse to support your madman - what do you intend to do about it?
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: wolfcreek on July 23, 2016, 06:17:12 pm
What...... are you going to join Mechanicos and kick our asses? :silly:

Oh now we're talking about physical altercations?

I would suggest some intensive mental evaluation for your aggressive tendencies.

Could be FRDS. [Free republic derangement syndrome].
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: wolfcreek on July 23, 2016, 06:18:48 pm
Hey, we didn't nominate him. We didn't nominate her, either. Own it. You broke it, you bought it.

I voted for Cruz so, I had no dog in that delegation.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: sneakypete on July 23, 2016, 06:20:00 pm
If your neverTrump rhetoric leads to a Clinton presidency, then you will matter.


To quote Bubbette!  "What actual difference does it make which one is elected when both have the goal of destroying our nation and way of life in order to personally profit?"
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: wolfcreek on July 23, 2016, 06:20:39 pm
I thought you Trump Militants have said we are a small, fringe minority and we are totally and completely irrelevant?

How can we lead to a Clinton presidency simply because we oppose your prince when we are said that we do not matter?

And if we do somehow matter as you fear, because we adamantly refuse to support your madman - what do you intend to do about it?

Screw your militant crap. [adamantly] Every vote is going to count in this election.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: sinkspur on July 23, 2016, 06:21:35 pm
Personally, I think Heidi is a lovely woman. It's her past positions that make her and Ted ugly.

What "positions"?  She's never run for or held elective office.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 23, 2016, 06:24:04 pm
I voted for Cruz so, I had no dog in that delegation.
If you support it, it's all yours.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: HoustonSam on July 23, 2016, 06:24:55 pm
So when you wrote this :

I don't know why Cruz would be upset about that picture except for the fact he has to wake up to that mug every morning.

you meant this :

Personally, I think Heidi is a lovely woman. It's her past positions that make her and Ted ugly.

That's an insult to the intelligence of people reading this thread, just as it was when Trump tried the same pitiful evasion.  What is the purpose of insulting the wife of a man who is no longer running?  Will that draw votes away from Hillary and to Trump?  Will that sway independent, undecided voters?  Are you trying to help the Republican party gain the White House with that?
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: INVAR on July 23, 2016, 06:25:03 pm
Screw your militant crap. [adamantly] Every vote is going to count in this election.

Better get to work then on courting Bernie Supporters then.

Your continued war against those of us who refuse to bend the knee to your prince is not helping your chances.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: catfish1957 on July 23, 2016, 06:28:35 pm
[Free republic derangement syndrome].
Possibly the ultimate oxymoron
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: TomSea on July 23, 2016, 06:29:55 pm
Some Cruz supporters show they can not carry on a conversation once again without being inflammatory:
Quote
Your continued war against those of us who refuse to bend the knee to your prince is not helping your chances.

No, nothing like this. Some of us are loyal, we vote for the Bushes, McCains, Romney. We know the anti-Romney sentiment probably helped there be a 2nd term for Obama; they hence, helped give us Trump. Some are pragmatic and know they won't get the perfect candidate.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Just_Victor on July 23, 2016, 06:33:48 pm
So when you wrote this :

you meant this :

That's an insult to the intelligence of people reading this thread, just as it was when Trump tried the same pitiful evasion.  What is the purpose of insulting the wife of a man who is no longer running?  Will that draw votes away from Hillary and to Trump?  Will that sway independent, undecided voters?  Are you trying to help the Republican party gain the White House with that?

Once he wins the insult battle, we can all join forces on the monkey bars and keep the 5 year-olds off the playground.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: TomSea on July 23, 2016, 06:36:48 pm
"What "positions"?  She's never run for or held elective office."

CFR, this has already been stated and Ted Cruz called CFR a pit of vipers; even though his wife was in it.

Fine, life is not perfect, they are a couple trying to build a political life as well.  We know no one is perfect but this is globalism as well.

Quote
Heidi Cruz wrote a paragraph included under “Additional and Dissenting Views” that contended economic investment must be led by the private sector rather than government:

Quote
    I support the Task Force report and its recommendations aimed at building a safer and more prosperous North America. Economic prosperity and a world safe from terrorism and other security threats are no doubt inextricably linked. While governments play an invaluable role in both regards, we must emphasize the imperative that economic investment be led and perpetuated by the private sector. There is no force proven like the market for aligning incentives, sourcing capital, and producing results like financial markets and profit-making businesses. This is simply necessary to sustain a higher living standard for the poorest among us – truly the measure of our success. As such, investment funds and financing mechanisms should be deemed attractive instruments by those committing the capital and should only be developed in conjunction with market participants.

The paragraph did not address the newly formed SPP, which was enthusiastically endorsed in the first two pages of the CFR report.

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2015/03/ted-cruz-again-battles-globalist-charge-against-wife/#LQGLSLyTBU3D420U.99

--------------

The Bible is the inspired word of God; yet, almost sinfully, out of the Cruz camp came that video where it was alleged Marco Rubio said "there are no answers in there", apparently Rubio said the opposite.

All of this points to, is these politicians are not alone in slinging mud.
Quote
Cruz official apologizes over Rubio video alleging Bible diss
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/02/22/cruz-official-apologizes-over-rubio-video-alleging-bible-diss.html
For an Evangelist, a pretty bad thing to do; and yes, as always, well Ted didn't do it directly.





Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: sneakypete on July 23, 2016, 06:44:51 pm
Quote from: TomSea link=topic=216745 dmsg5#msg983905 date=1469298595

No, nothing like this. Some of us are loyal, we vote for the Bushes, McCains, Romney.

@TomSea

Then you clearly understand who is at fault for the position our country,our economy,and our freedoms being at risk. It was Party People like you,willing to vote for the lowest common denominator as long as it had the Big Red R on it's chest that have brought us to a point where our choice for president is between  two narcissistic sociopaths,one stupid and in love with himself,and one that is so evil she probably doesn't even love herself. She just loves to destroy people and organizations that refuse to worship her.

Was this an attempt to apologize? If it was,I didn't see the part where you say you are sorry and will never do it again.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: wolfcreek on July 23, 2016, 06:46:28 pm
What "positions"?  She's never run for or held elective office.

Then you don't know much about her. She was deep into political and world banking circles as well as CFR.

http://www.cosmopolitan.com/politics/news/a55920/heidi-cruz-ted-cruz-wife/
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: HoustonSam on July 23, 2016, 06:49:10 pm
The Bible is the inspired word of God; yet, almost sinfully, out of the Cruz camp came that video where it was alleged Marco Rubio said "there are no answers in there", apparently Rubio said the opposite.

All of this points to, is these politicians are not alone in slinging mud.For an Evangelist, a pretty bad thing to do; and yes, as always, well Ted didn't do it directly.

And he fired the guy who did do it directly.  What should he have done?
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 23, 2016, 06:50:17 pm
Some Cruz supporters show they can not carry on a conversation once again without being inflammatory:
No, nothing like this. Some of us are loyal, we vote for the Bushes, McCains, Romney. We know the anti-Romney sentiment probably helped there be a 2nd term for Obama; they hence, helped give us Trump. Some are pragmatic and know they won't get the perfect candidate.
Loyal to what? Not principle, surely, or the Republican Party wouldn't be on a heading of 270.

If you are loyal to the Party, right or wrong, what's to stop it from being wrong?

Nothing but those who dissent from the constant drift to Port the Party has had since Reagan.
I can't remain loyal to a Party that does not espouse my principles--that's why I'm not a Democrat, a Communist, or a Socialist, either.

Until this campaign, I considered myself a Republican. That's only since Goldwater ran for President, but it ends this year.

As many here are fond of saying "I didn't leave the Republican Party, it left me.", and it did so by incremental moves, all the while decrying those of us who disagreed with those incrementally more Liberal stances as being 'disloyal'.

Well, maybe you disagree, but to me the greatest loyalties I have are to God, Family, and Country, and in that order. Within those three institutions I find the basis for the principles I hold dear, ones which there is no room for compromise.
When a political party conflicts with those principles it is my duty to either seek to change it back to being in line with those principles or to abandon it if it will not change.

My voice has not been alone in this, many have sought to return the GOP to Constitutional, moral, and fiscally sound practice, not just lip service at best, and we have been resolutely rebuffed in that.

So be it. My principles haven't changed. The Constitution hasn't changed. My God hasn't changed. Not one word of scripture has changed. And if you spend more money than you have that result hasn't changed.

All that has changed is the Republican Party's demonstrated approach to those principles. Ignore, Ignore, Ignore, and Deny.

Nothing there left to be loyal to, imho.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: geronl on July 23, 2016, 06:51:27 pm
If your neverTrump rhetoric leads to a Clinton presidency, then you will matter.

It is Trump that leads to a Clinton presidency
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: wolfcreek on July 23, 2016, 06:52:35 pm
Better get to work then on courting Bernie Supporters then.

Your continued war against those of us who refuse to bend the knee to your prince is not helping your chances.

Sanders supporters will do their party at the DNC.

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/07/how-bernie-sanders-supporters-are-planning-to-shake-up-the-democratic-convention/

Don't worry about me, I plan on leaving this circle jerk as soon as the lube runs out. Not quite through with you just yet.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: driftdiver on July 23, 2016, 06:53:00 pm
If your neverTrump rhetoric leads to a Clinton presidency, then you will matter.

LOL you put up a flawed candidate and it's my fault? 

Man that's desperation.

Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: wolfcreek on July 23, 2016, 06:55:43 pm
It is Trump that leads to a Clinton presidency

Keep (http://previews.123rf.com/images/idesign2000/idesign20001206/idesign2000120600099/14324602-illustration-of-Detailed-funny-green-parrot-cartoon--Stock-Vector.jpg)ing that view. The Left is loving it.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: sinkspur on July 23, 2016, 06:56:41 pm
Then you don't know much about her. She was deep into political and world banking circles as well as CFR.

http://www.cosmopolitan.com/politics/news/a55920/heidi-cruz-ted-cruz-wife/

Nonsense.  She was in no position to influence policy.  You guys are scraping the bottom of the barrel to justify a crude insult from a vulgar clown who was deeper into political and banking circles and INFLUENCED them.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: driftdiver on July 23, 2016, 06:57:09 pm
Keep (http://previews.123rf.com/images/idesign2000/idesign20001206/idesign2000120600099/14324602-illustration-of-Detailed-funny-green-parrot-cartoon--Stock-Vector.jpg)ing that view. The Left is loving it.

@geronl

Trump is much closer to the leftists so they should be happy.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: wolfcreek on July 23, 2016, 06:57:37 pm
LOL you put up a flawed candidate and it's my fault? 

Man that's desperation.

What's desperation is you running from your political responsibilities.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: driftdiver on July 23, 2016, 06:58:30 pm
Nonsense.  She was in no position to influence policy.  You guys are scraping the bottom of the barrel to justify a crude insult from a vulgar clown who was deeper into political and banking circles and INFLUENCED them.

He owns a building on Wall Street.  Doesnt get much more than that
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: wolfcreek on July 23, 2016, 06:58:47 pm
Nonsense.  She was in no position to influence policy.  You guys are scraping the bottom of the barrel to justify a crude insult from a vulgar clown who was deeper into political and banking circles and INFLUENCED them.

We're talking about Heidi...FOCUS. You don't get to be on the Council of Foreign Relations if you have no influence.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: HoustonSam on July 23, 2016, 07:00:20 pm

So be it. My principles haven't changed. The Constitution hasn't changed. My God hasn't changed. Not one word of scripture has changed. And if you spend more money than you have that result hasn't changed.

All that has changed is the Republican Party's demonstrated approach to those principles. Ignore, Ignore, Ignore, and Deny.

Nothing there left to be loyal to, imho.

Quite well stated Joe.  The Republican Party has reduced itself merely to an opposing team wearing a different color jersey, but playing by all the same rules and with the same goals.  Its competition with the Democrats now means no more than Yankees versus Red Sox or Ohio State versus Michigan.  Those of us who still recognize principle behind politics are no longer welcome in the GOP, and take our leave of it with regret but without hesitation.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: TomSea on July 23, 2016, 07:03:01 pm
(http://www.rickadam.info/downloads/photos-highres/One-Man-Band-300dpi.jpg)

You got your one man parade of conservatism. Many don't buy it and don't need the condescending "Your prince";

Sorry, plenty of conservatives have lined up behind Trump; save the one-man parade, Ted and Mark Levin are the only conservatives and constitutionalists.  It's too bad, that again, we see, the debate can only be carried on this manner.

Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: TomSea on July 23, 2016, 07:05:17 pm
"Nonsense.  She was in no position to influence policy.  You guys are scraping the bottom of the barrel to justify a crude insult from a vulgar clown who was deeper into political and banking circles and INFLUENCED them."

First one doesn't know what she did, then, it becomes an accusation on others.

Sorry, if she didn't have the best intentions for America with this North American community nonsense, it's fair game.

Ted Cruz called the CFR a brood of vipers; so, if Heidi was in CFR; guess what?
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: TomSea on July 23, 2016, 07:08:34 pm
Quote
A pit of vipers; also, his wife
http://www.politico.com/blogs/ben-smith/2011/10/a-pit-of-vipers-also-his-wife-040327

So, per the Politico above, one can say Ted Cruz was saying this about his wife.

But Sink nor no one else will be calling Ted Cruz a vulgar clown, we can be assured of that.

Just say others are digging at the bottom of the barrel.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: sinkspur on July 23, 2016, 07:19:23 pm
We're talking about Heidi...FOCUS. You don't get to be on the Council of Foreign Relations if you have no influence.

LOL!!!  There are 5000 members of the CFR!  Just how much influence does one of those FIVE THOUSAND have?
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: skeeter on July 23, 2016, 07:20:06 pm
We're talking about Heidi...FOCUS. You don't get to be on the Council of Foreign Relations if you have no influence.

Its a 5000 person membership organization. You apply, a current member recommends you in writing, two or three others attest to your character and you're in.

Its not exactly the Bilderburg Group.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: EasyAce on July 23, 2016, 07:24:30 pm
Has anyone mentioned that Heidi Cruz's Council on Foreign Relations term membership expired in
2011 (http://www.redstate.com/diary/southernconstitutionalist/2016/04/04/the-shocking-truth-about-heidi-cruz/)?

Or that her actual assignment was as part of the group's Task Force on the Future of North
America that produced the 2005 report "Building a North American Community?"

Or, that she actually dissented from the report's conclusions? (She wrote that whatever
role governments do or don't have in North American economics, we must emphasize the
imperative that economic investment be led and perpetuated by the private sector. There is no
force proven like the market for aligning incentives, sourcing capital, and producing results like
financial markets and profit-making businesses
. This is simply necessary to sustain a higher
living standard for the poorest among us—truly the measure of our success.
[Emphasis
added.])

And, that she is not actually a current member of the CFR?

Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: geronl on July 23, 2016, 07:25:39 pm
Its a 5000 person membership organization. You apply, a current member recommends you in writing, two or three others attest to your character and you're in.

Its not exactly the Bilderburg Group.

One of the CFR leaders is an advisor to Trump.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Hoodat on July 23, 2016, 07:28:23 pm
LOL!!!  There are 5000 members of the CFR!  Just how much influence does one of those FIVE THOUSAND have?

These people just spit out the first thing that pops in their heads.  And they don't care if it's true either.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on July 23, 2016, 07:29:19 pm
He said Trump insulted his wife and Father as his excuse for being an ass. Did not happen, That's doubling down. You owe me an apology for falsely alleging I'm untruthful just because I win arguments. Knock it off and act like an adult.

Here's the exact quote from @Mechanicos

Quote
Quote from: Mechanicos on July 21, 2016, 07:19:54 PM


    I do not consider attacking Trump all the time to be an example of conservative credentials - can see the exact same conduct from liberals. 

Ted did not attack Trump at his convention speech, so you are lying.

When will he apologize for his lying, then doubling down and lying once again?

Oh, I forgot, he is banned for profanity.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: HoustonSam on July 23, 2016, 07:31:25 pm
"Nonsense.  She was in no position to influence policy.  You guys are scraping the bottom of the barrel to justify a crude insult from a vulgar clown who was deeper into political and banking circles and INFLUENCED them."

First one doesn't know what she did, then, it becomes an accusation on others.

Sorry, if she didn't have the best intentions for America with this North American community nonsense, it's fair game.

Ted Cruz called the CFR a brood of vipers; so, if Heidi was in CFR; guess what?

Can you help me understand what is gained toward defeating the Democrats in 2016 by not only continuing to criticize Ted Cruz, but also his wife over a job she had five years ago?  Does this increase Trump's stature or make the case that he is a better choice than Hillary?  Does this sway undecided voters, or build his case to re-claim the nation's borders and re-establish law and order?  Does this clarify the significance of Hillary's lies and flagrant negligence in handling confidential information?

You do realize that Trump is no longer running against Cruz, and was never running against Cruz's wife?

The pro-Trump camp argues that we are essentially supporting Hillary if we don't support Trump.  How exactly are you supporting Trump by criticizing a man who is not even in the race, and furthermore criticizing his wife?
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Hoodat on July 23, 2016, 07:33:00 pm
Has anyone mentioned that Heidi Cruz's Council on Foreign Relations term membership expired in
2011 (http://www.redstate.com/diary/southernconstitutionalist/2016/04/04/the-shocking-truth-about-heidi-cruz/)?

Or that her actual assignment was as part of the group's Task Force on the Future of North
America that produced the 2005 report "Building a North American Community?"

Or, that she actually dissented from the report's conclusions? (She wrote that whatever
role governments do or don't have in North American economics, we must emphasize the
imperative that economic investment be led and perpetuated by the private sector. There is no
force proven like the market for aligning incentives, sourcing capital, and producing results like
financial markets and profit-making businesses
. This is simply necessary to sustain a higher
living standard for the poorest among us—truly the measure of our success.
[Emphasis
added.])

And, that she is not actually a current member of the CFR?

Or that the election is only 108 days away, yet instead of going after Hillary Clinton, Trump supporters here are attacking Heidi Cruz.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: driftdiver on July 23, 2016, 07:44:32 pm
"Nonsense.  She was in no position to influence policy.  You guys are scraping the bottom of the barrel to justify a crude insult from a vulgar clown who was deeper into political and banking circles and INFLUENCED them."

First one doesn't know what she did, then, it becomes an accusation on others.

Sorry, if she didn't have the best intentions for America with this North American community nonsense, it's fair game.

Ted Cruz called the CFR a brood of vipers; so, if Heidi was in CFR; guess what?

The argument is ridiculous.  Trump has many investments overseas.  He has ties to Soros.  Hr has ties to the middle east.  He has ties to the Clintonstate.  It doesn't get any more globalist than Trump.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: INVAR on July 23, 2016, 07:49:06 pm

Don't worry about me, I plan on leaving this circle jerk as soon as the lube runs out. Not quite through with you just yet.

Yeah.  We figured you guys got some kind of sick perverted sexual gratification from attacking those of us who will not surrender our principles and pledge featly to your prince.

Fits in perfectly with the entire campaign your leader has run.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: XenaLee on July 23, 2016, 07:50:27 pm
Has anyone mentioned that Heidi Cruz's Council on Foreign Relations term membership expired in
2011 (http://www.redstate.com/diary/southernconstitutionalist/2016/04/04/the-shocking-truth-about-heidi-cruz/)?

Or that her actual assignment was as part of the group's Task Force on the Future of North
America that produced the 2005 report "Building a North American Community?"

Or, that she actually dissented from the report's conclusions? (She wrote that whatever
role governments do or don't have in North American economics, we must emphasize the
imperative that economic investment be led and perpetuated by the private sector. There is no
force proven like the market for aligning incentives, sourcing capital, and producing results like
financial markets and profit-making businesses
. This is simply necessary to sustain a higher
living standard for the poorest among us—truly the measure of our success.
[Emphasis
added.])

And, that she is not actually a current member of the CFR?

All such inconvenient facts that neither Trump nor his fans care about or want to be reminded of (truth hurts).  They would much rather continue to smear the wife of one of their opponents and engage in the politics of personal destruction....just as the radical left always does.  Coincidence?  Nope.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: don-o on July 23, 2016, 07:50:59 pm
Or that the election is only 108 days away, yet instead of going after Hillary Clinton, Trump supporters here are attacking Heidi Cruz.

already posted, but for the record here is what Ted was doing Friday...

(http://i414.photobucket.com/albums/pp221/drw509/cruz_1.jpg)

To loud and prolonged cheers,
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: driftdiver on July 23, 2016, 08:02:02 pm
Yeah.  We figured you guys got some kind of sick perverted sexual gratification from attacking those of us who will not surrender our principles and pledge featly to your prince.

Fits in perfectly with the entire campaign your leader has run.

Also fits in with the perverted nature of their idol.   I bet there was plenty of lube on Epsteins plane.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: skeeter on July 23, 2016, 08:28:34 pm
Okay, diehard cruzers, tell me this. How come Hugh Hewitt, who was adamantly apposed to Donald Trump's candidacy (more like hated the man with the white hot intensity of a thousand suns), and yet after listening to Mr. Trump's acceptance speech boarded the Trump Train? Yes, that's right, I heard him on his radio show  make a compelling case why everyone should vote for Donald Trump.

Now, that tells me that neverTrump is capable of rational thought.

The ball is in your court never Trumps...

Another Hallmark of the NeverTrumpers is their capacity for independent, critical thought. Otherwise they'd already be "on board" the Trump Train.

In other words they're immune to bandwagon appeals.

BTW although I'm not NeverTrump I personally consider such appeals insulting.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: kartographer on July 23, 2016, 08:34:06 pm
All such inconvenient facts that neither Trump nor his fans care about or want to be reminded of (truth hurts).  They would much rather continue to smear the wife of one of their opponents and engage in the politics of personal destruction....just as the radical left always does.  Coincidence?  Nope.

You remind me of a Trumpster complaining after Trump's buddies at the National Inquirer did the quickly prove fabricated false story about Cruz being a serial adulterer: "I can't vote for an adulterer."

Isn't that a riot!!!  :silly:
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Post by: driftdiver on July 23, 2016, 08:43:06 pm
You remind me of a Trumpster complaining after Trump's buddies at the National Inquirer did the quickly prove fabricated false story about Crus being a serial adulterer: "I can't vote for an adulterer."

Isn't that a riot!!!  :silly:


How about that other story about Cruz's dad helping Oswald.     

Isn't the enquirer run out of South Florida.   Same place Trump has interests.  Same place epstein is from. Same as Matt Drudge.

They probably had meetings to plan this media frenzy
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Post by: beandog on July 23, 2016, 08:48:12 pm

How about that other story about Cruz's dad helping Oswald.     

Isn't the enquirer run out of South Florida.   Same place Trump has interests.  Same place epstein is from. Same as Matt Drudge.

They probably had meetings to plan this media frenzy

I actually believe the Donald and his lackeys continue to lie about Sen. Cruz's dad to take the media attention away from his own father, who was a slum lord and sued several times for refusing to rent to minorities.  His father, like the Donald, was a real piece of work.
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Post by: kartographer on July 23, 2016, 08:53:12 pm

How about that other story about Cruz's dad helping Oswald.     

Isn't the enquirer run out of South Florida.   Same place Trump has interests.  Same place epstein is from. Same as Matt Drudge.

They probably had meetings to plan this media frenzy

Trump and Enquirer chief executive David Pecker are close friend and Trump has written a number of articles of them. Their repeatedly going after Cruz and his family was clearly coordinated with the Trump machine.
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Post by: beandog on July 23, 2016, 09:00:35 pm
If your neverTrump rhetoric leads to a Clinton presidency, then you will matter.

I actually hope the Donald wins.  It'll be a twofer of fun for me.  First, the rats cry for a while that Hillary will always be a bridesmaid and never the bride.  It's always a good thing to watch rats cry.  Then by the time they realize that it's all good and that the Donald is one of them, those of the tRump supporters who still have 2 brain cells left, will begin to realize they've been had.  That's what I'm going to truly enjoy.  It'll be like Christmas.  I see many more bannings at FR in the future.  The infighting will be delightful.

I just will not be a party to electing either someone I consider to be nuts, tRump or a criminal, Hillary.

Of course, as old, fat and crazy as the Donald is, chances of him stroking out are high, and then we would have Pence.  So things could work out in the end. :whistle:
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Post by: mountaineer on July 23, 2016, 10:39:12 pm
Of course, as old, fat and crazy as the Donald is, chances of him stroking out are high, and then we would have Pence.  So things could work out in the end. :whistle:
I figure it won't take long before he decides the job of POTUS interferes with whatever he'd rather be doing, so he could step down and give us President Pence. That works for me.
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Post by: bob434 on July 23, 2016, 10:42:55 pm
I see many more bannings at FR in the future.  The infighting will be delightful.

I do want the best for this country- but i must confess it will be great to see the rabid dogs on FR tearing each other to bits- But I predict they will excuse every single thigns trump does no matter how despicable it is - they will be his apologists right to the end- they will never admit they were so gullible that they were taken for a ride- The3y will never eat crow-

There isn't much difference between a rabid trump supporter and a democrat really- the nasty crap that has come out of the mouths of trump-bots has been astonishing- Trump has brought out the absolute worst in people- even in once strong conservatives-- It's really pretty sad honestly- Even folks like huckabee and franklin graham have been deceived- huckabee has turned into a very nasty person- FreeRepublic right now is a perfect example of just how nasty the truly rabid trump supporters really are- and by 'rabid supporters' I mean peopel who angrily support him with such fierceness that they are moved to nasty vile remarks and actions
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Post by: Smokin Joe on July 24, 2016, 12:03:33 am
The argument is ridiculous.  Trump has many investments overseas.  He has ties to Soros.  Hr has ties to the middle east.  He has ties to the Clintonstate.  It doesn't get any more globalist than Trump.
You know, I tried to point that out to people at TOS, they didn't want to know where the yacht went, or why, or that Trump managed to get his brand scraped off a few buildings in Muslim countries, but they are still all in business together. They didn't want to know how much he was leveraged at some of those globalist banking cartel banks, either.

I guess it is just an old fashioned case of "It's okay when WE do it." over in in Trumpistan, but not okay if anyone has so much as a savings account here.
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Post by: Smokin Joe on July 24, 2016, 12:06:06 am
Also fits in with the perverted nature of their idol.   I bet there was plenty of lube on Epsteins plane.
I'd bet all the oleo wasn't on the oleos...
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 24, 2016, 12:12:57 am
Trump and Enquirer chief executive David Pecker are close friend and Trump has written a number of articles of them. Their repeatedly going after Cruz and his family was clearly coordinated with the Trump machine.
Those articles were timed to coincide with primaries in demographics where the meme would hurt the most. The 'multi-mistress' article ran on the heels of the flap about Cruz supposedly being God's annoinTED, just in time for the Southern Evangelicals to vote, and the Cruz' daddy was in on killing JFK ran just before the NE primaries (if there is any area where the Kennedys are still regards as "American Royalty" (Camelot and all that), that's it.

I have no doubt whatsoever that those media releases, were timed to do as much damage as possible, especially while the manurenado was going on twitter.
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Post by: austingirl on July 24, 2016, 12:12:57 am
I figure it won't take long before he decides the job of POTUS interferes with whatever he'd rather be doing, so he could step down and give us President Pence. That works for me.

The Presidency is high stress and we have seen it rapidly age each man in office. Trump may well decide it is too much and step down, although I do think his preference would be to pass the job on to one of his children instead of Pence. He may even think he has the power to do so with an executive order given his lack of knowledge of the workings of government.  :silly:
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Post by: libertybele on July 24, 2016, 12:19:36 am
... and by 'rabid supporters' I mean peopel who angrily support him with such fierceness that they are moved to nasty vile remarks and actions

The same has happened in this forum.  There are Trump supporters in here who were very friendly and likeable and now are also moved to nasty vile remarks and actions.  You are correct ... Trump has brought out the worst in this nation all the while claiming to make America Great Again.   :shrug:
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Post by: sneakypete on July 24, 2016, 01:04:34 am
Or that the election is only 108 days away, yet instead of going after Hillary Clinton, Trump supporters here are attacking Heidi Cruz.

@Hoodat   @EasyAce

You guys are surprised that sheep follow their sheepherder?
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Post by: sneakypete on July 24, 2016, 01:05:56 am
The argument is ridiculous.  Trump has many investments overseas.  He has ties to Soros.  Hr has ties to the middle east.  He has ties to the Clintonstate.  It doesn't get any more globalist than Trump.

@TomSea  @driftdiver

He even declares bankruptcies in foreign countries after robbing them blind.
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Post by: geronl on July 24, 2016, 01:09:50 am

Of course, as old, fat and crazy as the Donald is, chances of him stroking out are high, and then we would have Pence.  So things could work out in the end. :whistle:

Venezuelans thought things would look up once Chavez died too
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Post by: sneakypete on July 24, 2016, 01:12:33 am
I actually hope the Donald wins.  It'll be a twofer of fun for me.  First, the rats cry for a while that Hillary will always be a bridesmaid and never the bride.  It's always a good thing to watch rats cry.  Then by the time they realize that it's all good and that the Donald is one of them, those of the tRump supporters who still have 2 brain cells left, will begin to realize they've been had.  That's what I'm going to truly enjoy.  It'll be like Christmas.  I see many more bannings at FR in the future.  The infighting will be delightful.

I just will not be a party to electing either someone I consider to be nuts, tRump or a criminal, Hillary.

Of course, as old, fat and crazy as the Donald is, chances of him stroking out are high, and then we would have Pence.  So things could work out in the end. :whistle:

@beandog

I hadn't even thought of any of that.

I want to thank you for giving me something that cheers me up.
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Post by: sneakypete on July 24, 2016, 01:15:38 am
The Presidency is high stress and we have seen it rapidly age each man in office. Trump may well decide it is too much and step down, although I do think his preference would be to pass the job on to one of his children instead of Pence. He may even think he has the power to do so with an executive order given his lack of knowledge of the workings of government.  :silly:

@austingirl

That would be a safe bet to make. The ignorant fool actually thinks the job of VP is to be the presidents assistant.
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Post by: geronl on July 24, 2016, 01:16:52 am
@austingirl

That would be a safe bet to make. The ignorant fool actually thinks the job of VP is to be the presidents assistant.

Melania won't get the East Week Wing, that's where he'll keep the concubines.

(lol, spelling error)
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: sneakypete on July 24, 2016, 01:21:45 am
Melania won't get the East Week, that's where he'll keep the concubines.

And I am guessing they will all be "as good as new" when he leaves office. All flash,no substance.

BTW,do you have any idea if the rumor I am starting about "The Game of Thrones" having a new character next season named "Donald Little Hands" is true?

@geronl
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Post by: geronl on July 24, 2016, 01:27:04 am
And I am guessing they will all be "as good as new" when he leaves office. All flash,no substance.

BTW,do you have any idea if the rumor I am starting about "The Game of Thrones" having a new character next season named "Donald Little Hands"?

@geronl

I don't watch it, but that is funny.
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Post by: austingirl on July 24, 2016, 01:29:01 am
@austingirl

That would be a safe bet to make. The ignorant fool actually thinks the job of VP is to be the presidents assistant.

Trump is woefully ignorant of so very many things. He is superficial man and that is not presidential material.
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Post by: sneakypete on July 24, 2016, 01:54:41 am
I don't watch it, but that is funny.

Game of Thrones is a GREAT teebee show. One of the best ever. Maybe even the best.
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Post by: Victoria33 on July 24, 2016, 02:24:44 am
The argument is ridiculous.  Trump has many investments overseas.  He has ties to Soros.  Hr has ties to the middle east.  He has ties to the Clintonstate.  It doesn't get any more globalist than Trump.

Trump doesn't want Arabs here unless they are his rich friends.  An Arab rents an entire floor in Trump Tower.  It's okay for that Arab to be in the country but not other Arabs who do not give him money.
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Post by: Smokin Joe on July 24, 2016, 02:31:10 am
@Hoodat   @EasyAce

You guys are surprised that sheep follow their sheepherder?
These sheep dream of being wolves, even as they feed their lambs to the pack.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 24, 2016, 02:32:18 am
Venezuelans thought things would look up once Chavez died too
And then there is the Fidel Fadeout--is he officially dead, yet?
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Post by: kartographer on July 24, 2016, 02:52:53 am
These sheep dream of being wolves, even as they feed their lambs to the pack.
@Hoodat   @EasyAce

Lonesome Rhodes: Rednecks, crackers, hillbillies, hausfraus, shut-ins, pea-pickers - everybody that's got to jump when somebody else blows the whistle. They don't know it yet, but they're all gonna be 'Fighters for Fuller'. They're mine! I own 'em! They think like I do. Only they're even more stupid than I am, so I gotta think for 'em. A Face in the Crowd (1957)
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Post by: DB on July 24, 2016, 04:05:58 am
These sheep dream of being wolves, even as they feed their lambs to the pack.

I think they feed their strongest rams to the pack leaving only the weak. So much easier to follow their master without resistance from within.
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Post by: geronl on July 24, 2016, 04:21:44 am
Game of Thrones is a GREAT teebee show. One of the best ever. Maybe even the best.

I gave it a shot but there was too much porn for this Christian.
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Post by: Hoodat on July 24, 2016, 04:50:15 am
BTW,do you have any idea if the rumor I am starting about "The Game of Thrones" having a new character next season named "Donald Little Hands" is true?

It is now.
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Post by: Emjay on July 24, 2016, 05:44:07 am
I gave it a shot but there was too much porn for this Christian.

So many people have tried to get me to watch this show, even my hairdresser.  But I watched one episode and it was too sick for me.
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Post by: INVAR on July 24, 2016, 06:40:20 am

Contributing to the thread drift….


Actually, if they got rid of all the sordid sex outside of necessary implication for the storyline (incest is the trigger for a lot of what sets everything off) - it could possibly be one of the most terrific medieval fantasy shows of all time right under Lord of the Rings.  There has probably never been a better depiction of how medieval life operated than this show, despite the fact it is set in a fictional world and the fantastic elements like dragons are of themselves seen as myth within the peoples of the story itself.

It's a pretty good tale of what people seeking power will do to attain it,   How noble castes and houses set themselves up as unbreakable corrupt oligarchies using the serfs as canon fodder for their own power.  It's also a great illustration of how entire peoples being so wrapped up in themselves ignore the signs of impending doom for absolutely everyone.   As the show has gone on, it's turned into a revelation how underdogs can turn the established order upside down and potentially make the world a better place.

What has made it so addictive is the fact that for a fantasy, no character is safe from being killed off - not even the most popular heroes of the show.  For a lot of folks it's like placing bets on who makes it through a season alive and who does not. 

The over the top sex is completely unnecessary to tell the story IMO, but it's HBO and that means to automatically throw in full frontal nudity, pornographic sex acts and close ups of male genetalia in order to put their stamp of approval on it.

I like the story and the characters - I do not like the gratuitous sex and think it cheapens the whole thing.
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Post by: geronl on July 24, 2016, 07:08:34 am
So many people have tried to get me to watch this show, even my hairdresser.  But I watched one episode and it was too sick for me.

The overall story seems cool, but I hear the books have a rape on average every 17 pages. lol.
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Post by: geronl on July 24, 2016, 07:12:08 am
China has a new show planned for 62 episodes called Ice Fantasy that looks interesting. A lot of special effects in the trailer. It sort of like Ice Benders VS Fire Benders (almost exactly like that, as a matter of fact). I saw someone call it "Lord of the Rings: China Edition" (Lord of the Mings??)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdRcmVXqg8M
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Post by: Smokin Joe on July 24, 2016, 09:06:17 am
Contributing to the thread drift….


Actually, if they got rid of all the sordid sex outside of necessary implication for the storyline (incest is the trigger for a lot of what sets everything off) - it could possibly be one of the most terrific medieval fantasy shows of all time right under Lord of the Rings.  There has probably never been a better depiction of how medieval life operated than this show, despite the fact it is set in a fictional world and the fantastic elements like dragons are of themselves seen as myth within the peoples of the story itself.

It's a pretty good tale of what people seeking power will do to attain it,   How noble castes and houses set themselves up as unbreakable corrupt oligarchies using the serfs as canon fodder for their own power.  It's also a great illustration of how entire peoples being so wrapped up in themselves ignore the signs of impending doom for absolutely everyone.   As the show has gone on, it's turned into a revelation how underdogs can turn the established order upside down and potentially make the world a better place.

What has made it so addictive is the fact that for a fantasy, no character is safe from being killed off - not even the most popular heroes of the show.  For a lot of folks it's like placing bets on who makes it through a season alive and who does not. 

The over the top sex is completely unnecessary to tell the story IMO, but it's HBO and that means to automatically throw in full frontal nudity, pornographic sex acts and close ups of male genetalia in order to put their stamp of approval on it.

I like the story and the characters - I do not like the gratuitous sex and think it cheapens the whole thing.
Gratuitous homosexual acts have wrecked shows for me as well. Some are entirely unnecessary to the story line, but once that gets thrown in, the show stops in my house. Ick. Some things I will not bring into my living room.
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Post by: verga on July 24, 2016, 11:25:45 am
China has a new show planned for 62 episodes called Ice Fantasy that looks interesting. A lot of special effects in the trailer. It sort of like Ice Benders VS Fire Benders (almost exactly like that, as a matter of fact). I saw someone call it "Lord of the Rings: China Edition" (Lord of the Mings??)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdRcmVXqg8M
Great visuals, amazing looking weapons, lets hjope they have a good story to sustain it.
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Post by: verga on July 24, 2016, 11:30:01 am
Gratuitous homosexual acts have wrecked shows for me as well. Some are entirely unnecessary to the story line, but once that gets thrown in, the show stops in my house. Ick. Some things I will not bring into my living room.
Scy Fy had a great show on several years ago called "Lost Girl", Great story, compelling characters, solid dialogue. Then they started with the gratuitous homosexual and gratuitous sex stuff and that was it for us. We gave it like 3 episodes to get past it, but that was it. I don't even know if it is still on.
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Post by: geronl on July 24, 2016, 11:44:16 am
Great visuals, amazing looking weapons, lets hjope they have a good story to sustain it.

Quote
The story is set a hundred years after a war between the Empire of Snow (Ice Tribe) and the Fire Tribe, where the Fire Tribe was defeated. However, the war was fatal, leaving Prince Ka Suo and his younger half-brother Ying Kong Shi the only royal heirs and pure-blood ice illusionists left in the Ice Tribe. Conflict ensues after Ka Suo reluctantly ascends to the throne as his lover, Li Luo, and his brother go missing.

Ka Suo also accidentally discovers an evil presence lurking in the Ice Tribe's holy shrine. He and his companions enter the mysterious shrine, and defeat head of the shrine, Lady Lian Ji, who is actually possessed by Yuan Ji, only to find out that all the chaos was triggered by him. Ka Suo also experiences hardships in trying to find his lover and brother, not knowing that his brother has lost all of his memories and has become the Fire Prince under his mother's command. A war between the two tribes commences once again, with the two brothers pitted against each other.
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Post by: sneakypete on July 24, 2016, 11:58:49 am
@Smokin Joe  @geronl  @INVAR  @Emjay  @Hoodat

If yall are fans of the Bible,nudity and sex shouldn't bother you. The Bible is full of it. Pretty much everybody was  humping everybody in sight,including their own children. If you believe the Bible to be the literal truth,even God got in on the act by impregnating another man's wife.

Still,if it offends you it offends you,and you don't have to make any excuses or apologies if it does.

Howsumever,if you enjoy the historical aspects of GoT but not the nudity and humping,you might enjoy the History Channel show "Vikings". It is based on actual historical figures and tells the story of their lives and the events they participated in while alive,as well as their deaths in many cases. The "hero" of the show is a young Viking named Ragnar,and he was the Viking that originally discovered the British Isles,and made raiding them and Europe into an annual spring sport

Yes,there is some nudity and some implied humping,but nothing compared to the reality of the GoT.

Another thing it shares with the GoT is some pretty damn spectacular scenery.

The only thing is you need to accept this is a story about actual historical people,and actual people back then,especially Viking raiders/berserkers tended to die early.  The show will end when Ragnar ends. You can enjoy the ride while it lasts,or you can do a web search using his name and spoil it for yourself. It's one of those shows you want to go on forever,but it won't.
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Post by: MACVSOG68 on July 24, 2016, 12:50:45 pm
@Smokin Joe  @geronl  @INVAR  @Emjay  @Hoodat

If yall are fans of the Bible,nudity and sex shouldn't bother you. The Bible is full of it. Pretty much everybody was  humping everybody in sight,including their own children. If you believe the Bible to be the literal truth,even God got in on the act by impregnating another man's wife.

Still,if it offends you it offends you,and you don't have to make any excuses or apologies if it does.

Howsumever,if you enjoy the historical aspects of GoT but not the nudity and humping,you might enjoy the History Channel show "Vikings". It is based on actual historical figures and tells the story of their lives and the events they participated in while alive,as well as their deaths in many cases. The "hero" of the show is a young Viking named Ragnar,and he was the Viking that originally discovered the British Isles,and made raiding them and Europe into an annual spring sport

Yes,there is some nudity and some implied humping,but nothing compared to the reality of the GoT.

Another thing it shares with the GoT is some pretty damn spectacular scenery.

The only thing is you need to accept this is a story about actual historical people,and actual people back then,especially Viking raiders/berserkers tended to die early.  The show will end when Ragnar ends. You can enjoy the ride while it lasts,or you can do a web search using his name and spoil it for yourself. It's one of those shows you want to go on forever,but it won't.

Agree with you on the Vikings series.  Well done and good characters with strong historical thread throughout.  I'm not sure it should end with the death of Ragnar, since historically Rollo becomes the first Norman with the lands of Normandy gifted to him by the King of Francia.  He was an ancestor of William the Conqueror.  If books are your thing, the Bernard Cornwell series "Saxon Tales" is also great.  It's a ten book  series and the hero is Saxon Uhtred raised by Vikings (Ragnar), and becomes involved in the wars between the Danes and Saxons, the most historically notable being Alfred the Great.  The books are long but move along well, with great character development, historically accurate except for the fictional characters added to keep the story flowing.  It takes you from the initial conquering of Britain by the Vikings through the slow unification of England.  Lots of action and great storylines.

But God forbid we should hijack this otherwise substantive and meaningful "discussion" among friends for such historical drivel... :laugh:
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Post by: aligncare on July 24, 2016, 01:02:06 pm
Agree with you on the Vikings series.  Well done and good characters with strong historical thread throughout.  I'm not sure it should end with the death of Ragnar, since historically Rollo becomes the first Norman with the lands of Normandy gifted to him by the King of Francia.  He was an ancestor of William the Conqueror.  If books are your thing, the Bernard Cornwell series "Saxon Tales" is also great.  It's a ten book  series and the hero is Saxon Uhtred raised by Vikings (Ragnar), and becomes involved in the wars between the Danes and Saxons, the most historically notable being Alfred the Great.  The books are long but move along well, with great character development, historically accurate except for the fictional characters added to keep the story flowing.  It takes you from the initial conquering of Britain by the Vikings through the slow unification of England.  Lots of action and great storylines.

But God forbid we should hijack this otherwise substantive and meaningful "discussion" among friends for such historical drivel... :laugh:

 ^-^

Just finished watching The Last Kingdom on Netflix. Awesome. Interesting historical figure, this Uhtred.

 Can't wait till they bring in season 2.

I love the history of the Britons.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: sneakypete on July 24, 2016, 01:05:51 pm
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Agree with you on the Vikings series.  Well done and good characters with strong historical thread throughout.  I'm not sure it should end with the death of Ragnar, since historically Rollo becomes the first Norman with the lands of Normandy gifted to him by the King of Francia.  He was an ancestor of William the Conqueror.  If books are your thing, the Bernard Cornwell series "Saxon Tales" is also great.  It's a ten book  series and the hero is Saxon Uhtred raised by Vikings (Ragnar), and becomes involved in the wars between the Danes and Saxons, the most historically notable being Alfred the Great.  The books are long but move along well, with great character development, historically accurate except for the fictional characters added to keep the story flowing.  It takes you from the initial conquering of Britain by the Vikings through the slow unification of England.  Lots of action and great storylines.

MUCHO thanks for the books tip.  I will be looking for them the instant I after I post this,and I hope you are right about the series continuing. My only question is "where are they going to find more actors THAT freaking good to keep the story going?" One thing is for certain,they ain't going to coming out of Hollywood action movies.

"But God forbid we should hijack this otherwise substantive and meaningful "discussion" among friends for such historical drivel... :laugh:"

I sure hope not!
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: sneakypete on July 24, 2016, 01:08:03 pm
^-^

Just finished watching The Last Kingdom on Netflix. Awesome. Interesting historical figure, this Uhtred.

 Can't wait till they bring in season 2.

I love the history of the Britons.

@aligncare

Thanks for the tip. I LOVE historical stuff,and will be going to my Netflix account to save that one,also.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: sneakypete on July 24, 2016, 01:16:58 pm
@aligncare  @MACVSOG68

BTW,to come full circle by using history to bring the thread back to Donald Little Hands,I am reading a fiction novel now with a VERY large grain of truth spoken by one of the lead characters. It starts with a discussion of NYC and how the political leadership there only cares about themselves and NYC,and to hell with the rest of America. One of the lead characters says something along the line of :

"Why is anybody surprised about this? New York City has always been anti-American.

They were on the British side during the Revolutionary War.

They didn't want to fight in the Civil War.

They were with the Soviets starting in the 1920's.

They were on the side of the Nazi's during WW-2,with half the Irishmen living and working around the docks informing the Nazi's of shipping times and cargoes.

They sided with the communists against the US in both Korea and Vietnam."

There were several other factual historical points mentioned,but I don't have access to the book at this moment for a direct quote.

The focal point being that Donald Little Hands is a life-long denizen of NYC.

How's THAT for bringing a thread back on point?
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: MACVSOG68 on July 24, 2016, 01:24:32 pm
^-^

Just finished watching The Last Kingdom on Netflix. Awesome. Interesting historical figure, this Uhtred.

 Can't wait till they bring in season 2.

I love the history of the Britons.

Yes, The Last Kingdom is great and I am also waiting for another season.  It is of course based on the Cornwell series I mentioned above.  While Uhtred is fictional, many of the names around him are real historical figures.  The first season takes you through the first two books in the series.  Also recommend "Agincourt" by Cornwell, as a great insight into Henry V through a fictional hero and one of the great one-sided historical battles in the numerous wars between Britain and France.

@sneakypete
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: MACVSOG68 on July 24, 2016, 01:26:19 pm
@aligncare  @MACVSOG68

BTW,to come full circle by using history to bring the thread back to Donald Little Hands,I am reading a fiction novel now with a VERY large grain of truth spoken by one of the lead characters. It starts with a discussion of NYC and how the political leadership there only cares about themselves and NYC,and to hell with the rest of America. One of the lead characters says something along the line of :

"Why is anybody surprised about this? New York City has always been anti-American.

They were on the British side during the Revolutionary War.

They didn't want to fight in the Civil War.

They were with the Soviets starting in the 1920's.

They were on the side of the Nazi's during WW-2,with half the Irishmen living and working around the docks informing the Nazi's of shipping times and cargoes.

They sided with the communists against the US in both Korea and Vietnam."

There were several other factual historical points mentioned,but I don't have access to the book at this moment for a direct quote.

The focal point being that Donald Little Hands is a life-long denizen of NYC.

How's THAT for bringing a thread back on point?

LOL.  I'll leave a response to any New Yorkers here.  Never had a desire to live there.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: catfish1957 on July 24, 2016, 01:40:31 pm
already posted, but for the record here is what Ted was doing Friday...

(http://i414.photobucket.com/albums/pp221/drw509/cruz_1.jpg)

To loud and prolonged cheers,

Ted Cruz' moment at the GOP convention will equated to Daniel in the Lion's Den.

He will be considered a hero.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: wolfcreek on July 24, 2016, 02:32:49 pm
Its a 5000 person membership organization. You apply, a current member recommends you in writing, two or three others attest to your character and you're in.

Its not exactly the Bilderburg Group.

Sounds more like Masonic Lodge.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: wolfcreek on July 24, 2016, 02:36:37 pm
The argument is ridiculous.  Trump has many investments overseas.  He has ties to Soros.  Hr has ties to the middle east.  He has ties to the Clintonstate.  It doesn't get any more globalist than Trump.

Trump said, "No one knows the system better than me" After saying the system was corrupt.

Who better to fix the corrupt system?
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: wolfcreek on July 24, 2016, 02:39:39 pm
Herr Drumpf has said we do not matter.

You haff called Herr Drumpf a liar!  Report to the nearest train station, as your political life is over.

Then go back to your corner and cry with Ted about how hurt your feelings are. This is politics not tiddly winks
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: wolfcreek on July 24, 2016, 02:41:33 pm

How about that other story about Cruz's dad helping Oswald.     

Isn't the enquirer run out of South Florida.   Same place Trump has interests.  Same place epstein is from. Same as Matt Drudge.

They probably had meetings to plan this media frenzy

Have you read that story? It's somewhat compelling.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: catfish1957 on July 24, 2016, 02:42:21 pm
Trump said, "No one knows the system better than me" After saying the system was corrupt.

Who better to fix the corrupt system?


Trump has NEVER prioritized anything ahead of himself.  What makes you think he'll fix something that benefits him?

His word? :silly:
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: wolfcreek on July 24, 2016, 02:45:24 pm
I actually hope the Donald wins.  It'll be a twofer of fun for me.  First, the rats cry for a while that Hillary will always be a bridesmaid and never the bride.  It's always a good thing to watch rats cry.  Then by the time they realize that it's all good and that the Donald is one of them, those of the tRump supporters who still have 2 brain cells left, will begin to realize they've been had.  That's what I'm going to truly enjoy.  It'll be like Christmas.  I see many more bannings at FR in the future.  The infighting will be delightful.

I just will not be a party to electing either someone I consider to be nuts, tRump or a criminal, Hillary.

Of course, as old, fat and crazy as the Donald is, chances of him stroking out are high, and then we would have Pence.  So things could work out in the end. :whistle:
I don't disagree with much of what you say. Keeping Hillary at bay was my chief objective.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: txradioguy on July 24, 2016, 03:46:38 pm
Anyone who thinks that Donny is going to fix any part of the corruption in DC...some of which he has funded and helped him get to where he is no...is certifiably delusional. 
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 24, 2016, 03:52:44 pm
Scy Fy had a great show on several years ago called "Lost Girl", Great story, compelling characters, solid dialogue. Then they started with the gratuitous homosexual and gratuitous sex stuff and that was it for us. We gave it like 3 episodes to get past it, but that was it. I don't even know if it is still on.
Fear the Walking Dead bit the bullet in one liplock. The guys could have just been bros from some past shared adversity(military, bikers, survival situation), and that would have worked just fine in the script, but no, they took it in the other direction. I stopped watching then and there.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 24, 2016, 04:14:30 pm
Agree with you on the Vikings series.  Well done and good characters with strong historical thread throughout.  I'm not sure it should end with the death of Ragnar, since historically Rollo becomes the first Norman with the lands of Normandy gifted to him by the King of Francia.  He was an ancestor of William the Conqueror.  If books are your thing, the Bernard Cornwell series "Saxon Tales" is also great.  It's a ten book  series and the hero is Saxon Uhtred raised by Vikings (Ragnar), and becomes involved in the wars between the Danes and Saxons, the most historically notable being Alfred the Great.  The books are long but move along well, with great character development, historically accurate except for the fictional characters added to keep the story flowing.  It takes you from the initial conquering of Britain by the Vikings through the slow unification of England.  Lots of action and great storylines.

But God forbid we should hijack this otherwise substantive and meaningful "discussion" among friends for such historical drivel... :laugh:
@sneakypete

Guys, I'm no prude. I am, however a little picky about what I allow to be funneled into my living room.
I fully understand that sex has been going on a long time, that raping, pillaging, and burning were well ensconced cultural norms for those powerful enough and so inclined to engage in such (or who were the victims thereof), despite the power of the Church, which on occasion harbored those who engaged in such acts. Power corrupts, and it always has, with rare exception.
Those stories can be told effectively without going all Sam Peckinpaugh or John Holmes across my medium screen (it isn't the really big one). They can be told without going all 'pride parade' on it, too, because if they do, they won't be on my screen.

When I was in EMS, I saw enough bloody messes, thanks. The thought that that could become commonplace again with the desensitization of a culture ill equipped morally to deal with that is one of the reasons I don't, as a rule, support the might 'makes right anything goes blood and guts' shows.

Historically accurate? Yep, most likely, in spirit, if not in absolute fact. That was the reason for the Magna Carta, and eventually, our own Constitution and Bill of Rights. That is the quagmire from which Western Civilization rose, watered in blood and fertilized by the carcasses of the slain. Going back to that might be good entertainment if that historical fiction is presented in that context, but we are getting away from that context as we are getting away from the Chivalrous concepts that sprang from it, even as we get away, culturally, from the concepts of equal unalienable rights and the sanctity of life, ironically most propelled by those who demand both.

It's one thing putting zombies out of your misery, but treating other humans as such on a regular basis without qualm is a dangerous place for a culture's head to go. Unfortunately, our culture is going there, and taking with it the concept that might makes right, not just that being right makes right, and might safeguards that. The subtly implanted concept that it is acceptable or preferable to use force without a moral compass nor constraint (other than opposing force) for the sake of spoils is all we need to destroy Western Civilization and take culture back down that dark road from which it emerged.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 24, 2016, 04:23:54 pm
@aligncare  @MACVSOG68

BTW,to come full circle by using history to bring the thread back to Donald Little Hands,I am reading a fiction novel now with a VERY large grain of truth spoken by one of the lead characters. It starts with a discussion of NYC and how the political leadership there only cares about themselves and NYC,and to hell with the rest of America. One of the lead characters says something along the line of :

"Why is anybody surprised about this? New York City has always been anti-American.

They were on the British side during the Revolutionary War.

They didn't want to fight in the Civil War.

They were with the Soviets starting in the 1920's.

They were on the side of the Nazi's during WW-2,with half the Irishmen living and working around the docks informing the Nazi's of shipping times and cargoes.

They sided with the communists against the US in both Korea and Vietnam."

There were several other factual historical points mentioned,but I don't have access to the book at this moment for a direct quote.

The focal point being that Donald Little Hands is a life-long denizen of NYC.

How's THAT for bringing a thread back on point?

NYC Lawmakers Gearing Up to Give 1 Million Non-Citizens Voting Rightshttp://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/04/06/nyc-lawmakers-gearing-up-to-give-1-million-non-citizens-voting-rights/ (http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/04/06/nyc-lawmakers-gearing-up-to-give-1-million-non-citizens-voting-rights/)

There are more non-citizens in NYC than there are people in many western states. Approximately 1/8 of the population of the city proper.

Quote
Why is anybody surprised about this? New York City has always been anti-American.

Why, indeed?

 (BTW, @sneakypete, nicely played.)
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: verga on July 24, 2016, 04:34:43 pm
The story is set a hundred years after a war between the Empire of Snow (Ice Tribe) and the Fire Tribe, where the Fire Tribe was defeated. However, the war was fatal, leaving Prince Ka Suo and his younger half-brother Ying Kong Shi the only royal heirs and pure-blood ice illusionists left in the Ice Tribe. Conflict ensues after Ka Suo reluctantly ascends to the throne as his lover, Li Luo, and his brother go missing.

Ka Suo also accidentally discovers an evil presence lurking in the Ice Tribe's holy shrine. He and his companions enter the mysterious shrine, and defeat head of the shrine, Lady Lian Ji, who is actually possessed by Yuan Ji, only to find out that all the chaos was triggered by him. Ka Suo also experiences hardships in trying to find his lover and brother, not knowing that his brother has lost all of his memories and has become the Fire Prince under his mother's command. A war between the two tribes commences once again, with the two brothers pitted against each other.
:thumbsup3:
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: sneakypete on July 24, 2016, 04:44:36 pm
Fear the Walking Dead bit the bullet in one liplock. The guys could have just been bros from some past shared adversity(military, bikers, survival situation), and that would have worked just fine in the script, but no, they took it in the other direction. I stopped watching then and there.

Just about all production companies/authors end up doing this because they want to attract more viewers/readers. I don't like it either because I (usually) fail to see what purpose it serves other than to attract homosexual viewers/buyers for their advertisers,but I guess there could be some story lines where it would make sense. Haven't seen one yet,though.

BTW,there is also a lot of talk about homosexuality in the Bible. Nobody seems to care about that that isn't a homosexual because it is all negative/gonna burn in hell,boy! stuff.

BTW,you will notice that when there is a homosexual couple inserted into a popular show,it's two babes. Seems like most guys like that idea,and most women don't seem to find it horribly offensive,either

One really big exception is the sitcom Modern Family. One branch of the family is two married guys. One is an actual homosexual in real life,and the other one is heterosexual and married in real life,and he plays the most stereotypical hysterical fairy you have ever seen. The actual homosexual is very reserved. They make a LOT of fun of stereotypical homosexuals that have names like LeJohn,shop at all the trendy stores,are food snobs,etc,etc,etc. Pretty funny stuff.

Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: verga on July 24, 2016, 04:46:21 pm
Trump said, "No one knows the system better than me" After saying the system was corrupt.

Who better to fix the corrupt system?
Well using your logic, after you all get Hildabeast elected, Bill can be in charge of the interns. Another example of a Trumplestilskin writing before thinking.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: MACVSOG68 on July 24, 2016, 04:47:18 pm
@sneakypete

Guys, I'm no prude. I am, however a little picky about what I allow to be funneled into my living room.
I fully understand that sex has been going on a long time, that raping, pillaging, and burning were well ensconced cultural norms for those powerful enough and so inclined to engage in such (or who were the victims thereof), despite the power of the Church, which on occasion harbored those who engaged in such acts. Power corrupts, and it always has, with rare exception.
Those stories can be told effectively without going all Sam Peckinpaugh or John Holmes across my medium screen (it isn't the really big one). They can be told without going all 'pride parade' on it, too, because if they do, they won't be on my screen.

When I was in EMS, I saw enough bloody messes, thanks. The thought that that could become commonplace again with the desensitization of a culture ill equipped morally to deal with that is one of the reasons I don't, as a rule, support the might 'makes right anything goes blood and guts' shows.

Historically accurate? Yep, most likely, in spirit, if not in absolute fact. That was the reason for the Magna Carta, and eventually, our own Constitution and Bill of Rights. That is the quagmire from which Western Civilization rose, watered in blood and fertilized by the carcasses of the slain. Going back to that might be good entertainment if that historical fiction is presented in that context, but we are getting away from that context as we are getting away from the Chivalrous concepts that sprang from it, even as we get away, culturally, from the concepts of equal unalienable rights and the sanctity of life, ironically most propelled by those who demand both.

It's one thing putting zombies out of your misery, but treating other humans as such on a regular basis without qualm is a dangerous place for a culture's head to go. Unfortunately, our culture is going there, and taking with it the concept that might makes right, not just that being right makes right, and might safeguards that. The subtly implanted concept that it is acceptable or preferable to use force without a moral compass nor constraint (other than opposing force) for the sake of spoils is all we need to destroy Western Civilization and take culture back down that dark road from which it emerged.

It's the nice thing about such books, television and big screen...we have freedom of choice.  As for historical accuracy, these are historical novels which means creating some characters in the context of an historical era.  If one leaves out the violence of those eras in retelling the stories, one has certainly drifted further from the history of the times.  But to be sure, they are not for the whole family.  We can go much further down the timeline to the 1500s and watch The Tudors, which is quite accurate and see some of the same violence perpetrated in the name of Christianity and its various changing themes.  I sometimes wonder, when we talk about our Judeo-Christian heritage and ethics, which of those violent periods contributed to them?  Centennial was a nice series with historical perspective, and I would recommend it for the whole family.  But one should not confuse it with a real history of Colorado and those early times.
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Post by: sneakypete on July 24, 2016, 04:50:18 pm
@sneakypete


It's one thing putting zombies out of your misery, but treating other humans as such on a regular basis without qualm is a dangerous place for a culture's head to go. Unfortunately, our culture is going there, and taking with it the concept that might makes right, not just that being right makes right, and might safeguards that. The subtly implanted concept that it is acceptable or preferable to use force without a moral compass nor constraint (other than opposing force) for the sake of spoils is all we need to destroy Western Civilization and take culture back down that dark road from which it emerged.

@Smokin Joe

No argument from me on that one.

Then again,the way *I* see it,the illiterant little mamas boys and other leftist fools growing up today have been TOO sheltered from reality,and some hard doses of what life was like under the control of the royalty or the Soviets/Chinese communists is just the wakeup call some of these dummies need. The gorier,more horrible,and more realistic the better. None of that bloodless and painless instant death. Let them see villagers and soldiers going over a battlefield after a battle,executing the wounded and stealing their clothing,weapons,and money.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Emjay on July 24, 2016, 04:51:43 pm
@Smokin Joe  @geronl  @INVAR  @Emjay  @Hoodat

If yall are fans of the Bible,nudity and sex shouldn't bother you. The Bible is full of it. Pretty much everybody was  humping everybody in sight,including their own children. If you believe the Bible to be the literal truth,even God got in on the act by impregnating another man's wife.

Still,if it offends you it offends you,and you don't have to make any excuses or apologies if it does.

Howsumever,if you enjoy the historical aspects of GoT but not the nudity and humping,you might enjoy the History Channel show "Vikings". It is based on actual historical figures and tells the story of their lives and the events they participated in while alive,as well as their deaths in many cases. The "hero" of the show is a young Viking named Ragnar,and he was the Viking that originally discovered the British Isles,and made raiding them and Europe into an annual spring sport

Yes,there is some nudity and some implied humping,but nothing compared to the reality of the GoT.

Another thing it shares with the GoT is some pretty damn spectacular scenery.

The only thing is you need to accept this is a story about actual historical people,and actual people back then,especially Viking raiders/berserkers tended to die early.  The show will end when Ragnar ends. You can enjoy the ride while it lasts,or you can do a web search using his name and spoil it for yourself. It's one of those shows you want to go on forever,but it won't.

Actually, I like a little sex and violence as much as the next person, but the episode I saw just seemed so cruel and without heart and there was no one to like.  Maybe I gave up on it too soon, but it just seemed bleak to me.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: sneakypete on July 24, 2016, 04:55:19 pm
NYC Lawmakers Gearing Up to Give 1 Million Non-Citizens Voting Rightshttp://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/04/06/nyc-lawmakers-gearing-up-to-give-1-million-non-citizens-voting-rights/ (http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/04/06/nyc-lawmakers-gearing-up-to-give-1-million-non-citizens-voting-rights/)

There are more non-citizens in NYC than there are people in many western states. Approximately 1/8 of the population of the city proper.

Why, indeed?

 (BTW, @sneakypete, nicely played.)

@Smokin Joe

I just read a short news report today that Virginia Government "Terrible Terry" McAuliff,former Clinton jock strap and all around enemy of America,had just been slapped down by the Virginia SC. Terrible Terry had decided the thing to do to help his sugar mama become prez was to issue a mass pardon to over 200,000 Virginia felons so they could register and vote for Bubbette! The Va SC told him he had the authority to pardon felons one at a time,but not in masses.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: mystery-ak on July 24, 2016, 05:11:09 pm
I'll tell ya what political suicide is....still concentrating on his primary challenger and not the Dem nominee...
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 24, 2016, 05:12:26 pm

BTW,you will notice that when there is a homosexual couple inserted into a popular show,it's two babes. Seems like most guys like that idea,and most women don't seem to find it horribly offensive,either

Well, it is fiction, and fat chicks with flattops and tattooed knuckles just don't play to the three in the rack fantasy. (Guys, if they really are lesbians, what makes you think they will have time for you?)
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: sneakypete on July 24, 2016, 05:19:12 pm
Actually, I like a little sex and violence as much as the next person, but the episode I saw just seemed so cruel and without heart and there was no one to like.  Maybe I gave up on it too soon, but it just seemed bleak to me.

Well,they WERE Vikings. Those bad boys even got the Emperor of Rome to pay them a ransom in gold once that equaled the bodyweight of the Emperor's relative they had captured after the local Roman rep sent their envoy back to them with his head in a saddlebag. They captured the Emporers relative after they had sacked the city and killed most of the Romans there,and enslaved the others to sell as slaves to African kings.

In one sense,the Vikings really were "touchy-feely people',but not in the sense most people mean it today.

BTW,the next time some black whines to you about white people enslaving black people,remind him that the Vikings raided a Irish fishing village around 700 AD,and  sold over 130 Irish men,women,and children into slavery in Africa. Then tell them YOUR relatives came from Ireland,and you want reparations.

It's fun to watch the expressions on their faces as they try to figure that out.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Bigun on July 24, 2016, 05:30:31 pm
I'll tell ya what political suicide is....still concentrating on his primary challenger and not the Dem nominee...

It tells you who they are most afraid of doesn't it!
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 24, 2016, 05:32:31 pm
@Smokin Joe

No argument from me on that one.

Then again,the way *I* see it,the illiterant little mamas boys and other leftist fools growing up today have been TOO sheltered from reality,and some hard doses of what life was like under the control of the royalty or the Soviets/Chinese communists is just the wakeup call some of these dummies need. The gorier,more horrible,and more realistic the better. None of that bloodless and painless instant death. Let them see villagers and soldiers going over a battlefield after a battle,executing the wounded and stealing their clothing,weapons,and money.
Until that coppery smell hits your nostrils, or the unique odors of disembowelment, burnt flesh, or putrefaction become known, it doesn't hit anyone. It's just another show, the stuff fantasies are made of. Those who have not breathed the smell of blood spilt, whatever the cause, will inevitably be nauseous when they do--it's an instinctive revulsion. The problem is, they won't be puking until after they have engaged in their particular act, if at all (most will, whether they were the cause or not, at least the first time, and even those who have been exposed to gore will still have moments).

But I don't want an amoral little snowflake to be completely desensitized to that. I want them to be grossed out or what it takes to keep them from deciding some bored weekend to select someone at random to go 'viking' on. We are raising a generation of sick little puppies who lack the empathy on one hand to not gratuitously kill, and who curl up in a ball and weep at loud noises on the other.

We need to get away from that bimodal distribution and back to a bell curve where most are repulsed by violence, but not too timid to engage it in kind in their own defense, and to populate the armies of the future with soldiers who understand that on the one hand killing another might be necessary, but on the other hand don't take pleasure in it of itself

To that end, we need a base population of morally sound people who have the moral strength to do what must be done to protect a morally sound people from enemies who are not.

Reducing the casus belli to 'he dissed me', becomes the result of that absence of context.

How about taking those kids hunting instead, to establish respect for life, exposure to blood and guts (make them field dress their own game), and good food.

The army that won WWII was composed of a lot of farm boys who had butchered animals or hunted for food. They were capable, moral, and strong, without being exposed to splatterflick level gratuitous violence.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 24, 2016, 05:37:36 pm
@Smokin Joe

I just read a short news report today that Virginia Government "Terrible Terry" McAuliff,former Clinton jock strap and all around enemy of America,had just been slapped down by the Virginia SC. Terrible Terry had decided the thing to do to help his sugar mama become prez was to issue a mass pardon to over 200,000 Virginia felons so they could register and vote for Bubbette! The Va SC told him he had the authority to pardon felons one at a time,but not in masses.
Good for the VA SC!

Look out, though. Someone will figure out 'file merge' and stuff the forms and the rubber stamp machine will run overtime...Or does he personally have to sign each one?
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: verga on July 24, 2016, 05:42:25 pm
I'll tell ya what political suicide is....still concentrating on his primary challenger and not the Dem nominee...
@mystery-ak  I said it before, if he actually did go after Hildabeast, he might win and that is not his intention.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: MACVSOG68 on July 24, 2016, 06:00:58 pm
@mystery-ak  I said it before, if he actually did go after Hildabeast, he might win and that is not his intention.

I take it you missed Trump's acceptance speech?  What I heard was an attack on Hillary as Secretary of State, her email scandal, immigration and other issues.  What is it you think Trump missed as far as going after her?
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: truth_seeker on July 24, 2016, 06:24:39 pm
@mystery-ak  I said it before, if he actually did go after Hildabeast, he might win and that is not his intention.

He has been all along, so you obviously have not been paying attention.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: sinkspur on July 24, 2016, 06:31:59 pm
I take it you missed Trump's acceptance speech?  What I heard was an attack on Hillary as Secretary of State, her email scandal, immigration and other issues.  What is it you think Trump missed as far as going after her?

Trump has spent the last three days going after Cruz, Kasich, the WTO, companies who offshore,  basking in the glow of Vince McMahon, and asserting we'll deny entry to visitors from France and Germany.

Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: verga on July 24, 2016, 06:33:15 pm
I take it you missed Trump's acceptance speech?  What I heard was an attack on Hillary as Secretary of State, her email scandal, immigration and other issues.  What is it you think Trump missed as far as going after her?
@truth_seeker  @MACVSOG68 I didn't watch any of the convention, I did see that the day after the convention he is wasting time going after Cruz.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: MACVSOG68 on July 24, 2016, 07:00:44 pm
@truth_seeker  @MACVSOG68 I didn't watch any of the convention, I did see that the day after the convention he is wasting time going after Cruz.

He needs to move on from Trump, Kasich et al, and now concentrate on his agenda and his opponent, which as I understand he is now doing.  Kasich and Cruz are yesterday's news for Trump, and he should take advantage now of the brouhaha forming around the DNC emails.  He can continue to hammer away at Obama, because for the most part, Hillary is promising a continuation of much of his administration.  Graphs posted on these threads notwithstanding, his national security and law and order agenda will resonate as long as he keeps those issues and their solutions realistic.  But his anti-Hillary rants in his acceptance speech were a good start and went a long way toward discrediting those who seem convinced he's in it for the Clintons.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: EasyAce on July 24, 2016, 07:17:46 pm
In absolute fairness, Donaldus Minimus has zapped Hilarious Rodent Clinton over assorted
malfeasances for much of this year's legs of the campaigns. But in further absolute fairness, it often
does seem as though he hammers his critics on the conservative side of the street with far
more passion and fustian than he tends to hammer her. Since the convention, as others have pointed
out, he seems to be far more interested in flogging Ted Cruz and company.

The disclosure about the Democratic National Committee trying actively to rig the deck on behalf
of Hilarious Rodent Clinton should be a natural for Donaldus Minimus. Except that the disclosure
was first made several days ago and he's hardly said a word about it. Unless he's waiting to blast
it during the Democratic convention. If so, let's see if he throws everything including the proverbial
kitchen sink, or just lobs a few perfunctory jabs that he permits to interrupt his semi-regularly
scheduled hammering of his conservative critics---of which there are far more than some
of his sycophancy will admit.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: txradioguy on July 24, 2016, 07:28:40 pm
He has been all along, so you obviously have not been paying attention.

I guess the entire world wasn't paying attention then. All news has been about is his attacks on Cruz and his moronic comments about NATO.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: sneakypete on July 24, 2016, 07:39:24 pm
It tells you who they are most afraid of doesn't it!

@Bigun

At a minimum it tells you who they see as their political opposites and enemies.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: sneakypete on July 24, 2016, 07:43:37 pm
Good for the VA SC!

Look out, though. Someone will figure out 'file merge' and stuff the forms and the rubber stamp machine will run overtime...Or does he personally have to sign each one?

@Smokin Joe

I don't know,but I am guessing he has to sign each one individually,or he would have already done it and the Va SC would have had nothing to say.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Sanguine on July 24, 2016, 07:56:05 pm
@Smokin Joe

I don't know,but I am guessing he has to sign each one individually,or he would have already done it and the Va SC would have had nothing to say.

Knowing bureaucrats as I do, I suspect that there is some process and forms and maybe an interview or committee meeting of some sort that has to happen.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: MACVSOG68 on July 24, 2016, 08:37:09 pm
In absolute fairness, Donaldus Minimus has zapped Hilarious Rodent Clinton over assorted
malfeasances for much of this year's legs of the campaigns. But in further absolute fairness, it often
does seem as though he hammers his critics on the conservative side of the street with far
more passion and fustian than he tends to hammer her. Since the convention, as others have pointed
out, he seems to be far more interested in flogging Ted Cruz and company.

The disclosure about the Democratic National Committee trying actively to rig the deck on behalf
of Hilarious Rodent Clinton should be a natural for Donaldus Minimus. Except that the disclosure
was first made several days ago and he's hardly said a word about it. Unless he's waiting to blast
it during the Democratic convention. If so, let's see if he throws everything including the proverbial
kitchen sink, or just lobs a few perfunctory jabs that he permits to interrupt his semi-regularly
scheduled hammering of his conservative critics---of which there are far more than some
of his sycophancy will admit.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/07/24/fix-was-in-trump-camp-stokes-dem-tensions-over-emails-suggesting-anti-sanders-bias.html (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/07/24/fix-was-in-trump-camp-stokes-dem-tensions-over-emails-suggesting-anti-sanders-bias.html)

PHILADELPHIA –  Donald Trump’s campaign wasted no time Sunday stoking tensions inside the Democratic ranks over Hillary Clinton’s choice of running mate and the leak of party files suggesting some officials worked against Bernie Sanders – with Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort saying, “the fix was in from the beginning.”

Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: INVAR on July 24, 2016, 09:20:01 pm

PHILADELPHIA –  Donald Trump’s campaign wasted no time Sunday stoking tensions inside the Democratic ranks over Hillary Clinton’s choice of running mate and the leak of party files suggesting some officials worked against Bernie Sanders – with Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort saying, “the fix was in from the beginning.”

Self-evident to all of us.  Sanders' wins primary states and the delegates all go to Hildabeast.  Their rules make whom their leaders choose the nominee - not their subjects. 

The GOP just adopted the same rules for future elections in their party.

What is not so evident to most in the GOP  is the fix put in to ensure Trump would remove all Conservative opposition for Hillary and sabotage the Conservative movement into irrelevance by continuously attacking it after he ingratiated himself into the hearts and minds of disgruntled Republicans.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: truth_seeker on July 24, 2016, 09:21:22 pm
I guess the entire world wasn't paying attention then. All news has been about is his attacks on Cruz and his moronic comments about NATO.

All of the news "here," is a tiny obsessed wrinkle in the overall picture.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: LonestarDream on July 24, 2016, 09:22:33 pm
He needs to move on from Trump, Kasich et al, and now concentrate on his agenda and his opponent, which as I understand he is now doing.  Kasich and Cruz are yesterday's news for Trump, and he should take advantage now of the brouhaha forming around the DNC emails.  He can continue to hammer away at Obama, because for the most part, Hillary is promising a continuation of much of his administration.  Graphs posted on these threads notwithstanding, his national security and law and order agenda will resonate as long as he keeps those issues and their solutions realistic.  But his anti-Hillary rants in his acceptance speech were a good start and went a long way toward discrediting those who seem convinced he's in it for the Clintons.

Yes Trump does and I hope he does soon.  Trump even implied going after Rubio today on MTP after the 'phone in' endorsement. 

The more Trump focuses on DNC , the better for us.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: txradioguy on July 24, 2016, 09:23:18 pm
All of the news "here," is a tiny obsessed wrinkle in the overall picture.

I wasn't referring to here. I dont rely on TBR for my news.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: geronl on July 24, 2016, 09:24:24 pm
Trump said, "No one knows the system better than me" After saying the system was corrupt.

Who better to fix the corrupt system?

Not someone who is proud to be corrupt, that's for sure.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: geronl on July 24, 2016, 09:25:08 pm
Then go back to your corner and cry with Ted about how hurt your feelings are. This is politics not tiddly winks

Ted's not the one crying, Trump is the one having the Trumpertantrum.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: geronl on July 24, 2016, 09:30:21 pm
@Smokin Joe

I just read a short news report today that Virginia Government "Terrible Terry" McAuliff,former Clinton jock strap and all around enemy of America,

endorsed and funded by Trump
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: geronl on July 24, 2016, 09:33:30 pm
Trump has spent the last three days going after Cruz, Kasich, the WTO, companies who offshore,  basking in the glow of Vince McMahon, and asserting we'll deny entry to visitors from France and Germany.

destroying NATO for his pal Putin
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: geronl on July 24, 2016, 09:34:16 pm
Kasich and Cruz are yesterday's news for Trump,

You must have missed MEET THE PRESS this morning
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: EasyAce on July 24, 2016, 09:39:57 pm
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/07/24/fix-was-in-trump-camp-stokes-dem-tensions-over-emails-suggesting-anti-sanders-bias.html (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/07/24/fix-was-in-trump-camp-stokes-dem-tensions-over-emails-suggesting-anti-sanders-bias.html)

PHILADELPHIA –  Donald Trump’s campaign wasted no time Sunday stoking tensions inside the Democratic ranks over Hillary Clinton’s choice of running mate and the leak of party files suggesting some officials worked against Bernie Sanders – with Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort saying, “the fix was in from the beginning.”

So far, so good. But let's see just how much he throws at them when the Democratic convention speeches
and fustians begin.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: MACVSOG68 on July 24, 2016, 10:14:33 pm
So far, so good. But let's see just how much he throws at them when the Democratic convention speeches
and fustians begin.

Yes, we'll see.  I'm hoping he continues his attack on her...and that the rest of the GOP does the same.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: libertybele on July 24, 2016, 10:25:22 pm
I take it you missed Trump's acceptance speech?  What I heard was an attack on Hillary as Secretary of State, her email scandal, immigration and other issues.  What is it you think Trump missed as far as going after her?

He is continuing his obsession with destroying Cruz, Kasich and Rubio.  He has the nomination and should be focused on defeating Hillary not on funding Super Pacs to end the careers of the three that were his strongest opponents.  It's time to move on., but instead Donny is still continuing to disrupt the conservative movement and fracture the party.  His objective to ensure Hillary's coronation is so obvious, I find it really amazing that his supporters haven't caught on yet.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: MACVSOG68 on July 24, 2016, 10:29:45 pm
You must have missed MEET THE PRESS this morning

Don't cherry-pick certain words in my point.  I said Trump should move on from Cruz and Kasich.  And I still maintain he's got to get his campaign against Hillary together.  He has started it, but needs to hit her hard...daily. 
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: libertybele on July 24, 2016, 10:48:48 pm
Don't cherry-pick certain words in my point.  I said Trump should move on from Cruz and Kasich.  And I still maintain he's got to get his campaign against Hillary together.  He has started it, but needs to hit her hard...daily.

He's not going to.  That isn't his objective.  His objective is to ensure Hillary's coronation. 
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Gov Bean Counter on July 25, 2016, 12:14:58 am
Then go back to your corner and cry with Ted about how hurt your feelings are. This is politics not tiddly winks

Get back to us when Roman P. Trump stops playing tiddlywinks.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: MACVSOG68 on July 25, 2016, 12:15:28 am
He's not going to.  That isn't his objective.  His objective is to ensure Hillary's coronation.

I missed the memo...
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Hoodat on July 25, 2016, 12:50:22 am
I said Trump should move on from Cruz and Kasich.

Trump should have moved on two months ago.   Yet he continues to act like Lt. Commander Queeg complaining about what happened to the strawberries.

Donald Trump is not mentally fit to be President of the United States.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Gov Bean Counter on July 25, 2016, 01:03:13 am
Trump should have moved on two months ago.   Yet he continues to act like Lt. Commander Queeg complaining about what happened to the strawberries.

Donald Trump is not mentally fit to be President of the United States.

For a long time my tagline at another site was...

Trump to McCain, "Pass the strawberries".
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: geronl on July 25, 2016, 01:13:57 am
Don't cherry-pick certain words in my point.  I said Trump should move on from Cruz and Kasich.  And I still maintain he's got to get his campaign against Hillary together.  He has started it, but needs to hit her hard...daily.

Trump has been doing his best to get attention OFF of Hillary's problems this whole scampaign.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: geronl on July 25, 2016, 01:16:06 am
I missed the memo...

even when she was "cleared" by the FBI Trump had to go and change the topic to something else, instead of focusing. That was one of the best opportunities he is going to get and he did nothing with it. Less than nothing.

Trump admitted he was already bored with attacking Hillary. The same way he was bored with Marla as she walked down to aisle to marry him.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: JustPassinThru on July 25, 2016, 01:30:35 am
Self-evident to all of us.  Sanders' wins primary states and the delegates all go to Hildabeast.  Their rules make whom their leaders choose the nominee - not their subjects. 

The GOP just adopted the same rules for future elections in their party.

What is not so evident to most in the GOP  is the fix put in to ensure Trump would remove all Conservative opposition for Hillary and sabotage the Conservative movement into irrelevance by continuously attacking it after he ingratiated himself into the hearts and minds of disgruntled Republicans.

The Republican Party is deader than Elvis, to Conservatives.  It's time we, who are almost-certainly the majority of the party base, LEFT to form our own conservative-principles party.

It's too late to do anything about this election cycle; but let's get real.  The lifers and RINOs are ensconced.  They will not be dislodged and they are changing the rules to keep their kind in perpetuity.

All this continues as long as the Crony Cash flows in.  So...we're not welcome.  Let's go elsewhere - the new party can endorse a Republican when the given Republican is a solid choice.  That won't be often, anymore...it's just Crony Statists, as opposed to the undemocratic Democrats' Marxist Collectivist Statists.

The argument is, a third party will ensure a Democrat victory for decades; that the non-Democrat vote will be split two ways.  But that differs from the present situation HOW?  Right now we have the DEMOCRAT vote being split, with the Democan-Republicrat Lord Trumpy chasing the Bernie goofballs.  Sounds like they've already decided to fight for the same turf, abandoning their history, their principles, their platform, their base.

There is no other way.  That is, within the Union.  Considerations of States taking themselves OUT of the Union are also worth entertaining.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: MACVSOG68 on July 25, 2016, 01:38:51 am
Trump has been doing his best to get attention OFF of Hillary's problems this whole scampaign.

And yet he ripped into her on all fronts during his acceptance speech.  As I said, I missed the memo...and apparently he did too. 
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Suppressed on July 25, 2016, 01:44:11 am
And yet he ripped into her on all fronts during his acceptance speech.  As I said, I missed the memo...and apparently he did too.

And Obama wrote a supportive letter to law enforcement, so I guess he can't really be against the police. </sarc>

But like with Obama, it's difficult to tell whether he's insidious or just incompetent, isn't it?
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: MACVSOG68 on July 25, 2016, 01:51:17 am
And Obama wrote a supportive letter to law enforcement, so I guess he can't really be against the police. </sarc>

But like with Obama, it's difficult to tell whether he's insidious or just incompetent, isn't it?

Oh, it's insidiousness obviously.  He's going to do everything he can to tear Hillary down...only to tell everyone on November 8 early in the morning that he was just kidding...and everyone should vote for Hillary.  Trump's a multi-billionaire, has only one candidate to beat to become the most powerful man in the world...but he really wants Hillary to beat him...why?  She can do what for him that his fortune and the White House cannot?  Not to worry...I don't expect a realistic answer.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: libertybele on July 25, 2016, 02:20:49 am
Self-evident to all of us.  Sanders' wins primary states and the delegates all go to Hildabeast.  Their rules make whom their leaders choose the nominee - not their subjects. 

The GOP just adopted the same rules for future elections in their party.

What is not so evident to most in the GOP  is the fix put in to ensure Trump would remove all Conservative opposition for Hillary and sabotage the Conservative movement into irrelevance by continuously attacking it after he ingratiated himself into the hearts and minds of disgruntled Republicans.

You nailed it!!
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on July 25, 2016, 02:39:18 am
It's time we, who are almost-certainly the majority of the party base, LEFT to form our own conservative-principles party.

What percentage of overall GOP voters constitutes "the base" you are describing?

Because whenever i hear these calls for a third party, i wonder how a group of voters who aren't even numerous enough to win a plurality in the GOP primary (which itself is only 30-35%% of the electorate at best) can manage to win a general election.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: JustPassinThru on July 25, 2016, 03:40:41 am
What percentage of overall GOP voters constitutes "the base" you are describing?

Because whenever i hear these calls for a third party, i wonder how a group of voters who aren't even numerous enough to win a plurality in the GOP primary (which itself is only 30-35%% of the electorate at best) can manage to win a general election.

I dunno.  What percentage supported Ronald Reagan?

What percentage is active with, has attended meetings of, or is sympathetic to the Tea Party?  I'd bet over 65 percent.

The way to find out is to do it.  No, not do it the Losertarian way, nominate a bunch of clowns and then put on a circus.  No, form the party; get places on ballots...get a fund-raising apparatus up; YES, a political party needs money.  Lock down by-laws that keep out the cronies, corporatists, and RINO lifers.  Starting with SHORT office term limits.

And pick a few battles.  Where there are weak cipher-RINOpubicrats, run a strong conservative.

DO NOT, right away, try to nominate a Presidential candidate.  Let the RINOs know, that this new group will caucus with them and even endorse their boy - IF he is ACCEPTABLE.  No Shrub need apply.

They can still have a shot, IF they play ball with the new player.  That way, overtaking and killing the New Whig Party will be easy and bloodless - and Rinse Pubis can go back to Daddy's mansion and maybe run his Honduran subsidiary, whatever it is Big Pubis does.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 25, 2016, 04:23:29 am
What percentage of overall GOP voters constitutes "the base" you are describing?

Because whenever i hear these calls for a third party, i wonder how a group of voters who aren't even numerous enough to win a plurality in the GOP primary (which itself is only 30-35%% of the electorate at best) can manage to win a general election.
It doesn't matter, now, does it.

First we were told the GOP doesn't need us anyway.
Second, this isn't about anything but principle this time around. I understand that some people will have problems with that concept, but we aren't voting for the liberal candidates.
There are a number of deal breaking issue stances or traits which prohibit that, as a matter of conscience.

Third, if that party is to grow, if not now, when? If not us, who?

Continuing with the GOP isn't going to get us the government we want, that being one based on the United States Constitution, as amended, as close to original intent as can be, with power and rights restored to the States and the People where that power and those Rights belong.

Obviously, the Democrat Party will offer no relief.

You ask us to define a number we cannot. You want a percentage answer to a question which has not been asked. Insufficient data. The electorate has been handed Hobson's choice and will reflect that. The question which will be answered at the polls will be which candidate they fear most, not what they prefer.
There are those who might side with us who fear the boogeyman of Clinton enough to vote for Trump. That is on their conscience. If they aren't happy with that, they can still work to build a third party, however they vote this time.

For those who view burning the village to save it as a nonviable option, there is the opportunity to develop and build another option for the future. If too few are willing to take that route, so be it, we will have tried, and the Republic will decay into a criminal cartel/oliarchy, as it has been doing since Ronald Reagan.

To say that those who believed otherwise and whose votes were split among 16 candidates do not reach the numbers of the plurality that gave us this nominee, especially in the midst of the disinformation campaign waged against that leading opposition candidate may provide you with a distorted metric.

Those who decide to build a third party do not expect instantaneous gratification. The American people have forgotten what it is like to be free, and sometimes have given up that freedom by popular demand. It may take the bitter lash of totalitarianism to awaken their desire for freedom. I, for one, hope not, and seek to provide my children, grand children, and great grandchildren another option.

Even if you feel you must vote for Trump to keep Hillary out of office, let me ask you, Are you confident that this will lead to the government you want, that you think America should have? If not, do what you feel you must this time, but help build a party which will fight for the America that should be for all Americans, not just some bitter dregs and tossed bones from a ruling elite.
YMMV
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: EasyAce on July 25, 2016, 04:48:54 am
The way to find out is to do it.  No, not do it the Losertarian way, nominate a bunch of clowns and then put on a circus.  No, form the party; get places on ballots...get a fund-raising apparatus up; YES, a political party needs money.  Lock down by-laws that keep out the cronies, corporatists, and RINO lifers.  Starting with SHORT office term limits.

And pick a few battles.  Where there are weak cipher-RINOpubicrats, run a strong conservative.

About twelve years ago, I think it was, on TOS I suggested the Libertarian Party made a huge mistake (other than letting
Harry Browne try to turn it into a Chicago-style fiefdom) when they chose from the outset to run candidates nationally.
I had in mind the example of the New York Conservative Party (which, in turn, took its own example from the state's
older Liberal Party), which formed to act as a pressure point on Republicans (as the Liberal Party did for Democrats).

The Conservative Party's impetus was to offer endorsement to Republicans in assorted state and local races. If the
candidates in question accepted the endorsement, the Conservative Party felt reasonably sure that that candidate
was as close as could be to the Conservative Party's basic platform. If the candidates in question rejected Conservative
Party endorsement, only then would the Conservative Party seek a candidate for the office in question.

The Conservative Party ended up wielding far greater influence per capita taking that route. (They also elected James
Buckley---the elder brother of William F. Buckley, Jr.---to the Senate in 1970.) I thought then, and I still think now,
that national third parties might do themselves better to go that route.

Logically for the Libertarian Party, they would act as the same sort of pressure point against the Republican Party
since the Libertarian Party's platform would probably find a more comfortable hearing among Republicans than
Democrats. If I were running the LP, I'd have done with just running candidates and, instead, take the New York
Conservative Party route: seek the Republicans who seem closest to libertarian positions and offer the LP endorse-
ment, running LP candidates only in the event that those Republicans, and perhaps the extremely few
Democrats whom it would make sense to offer an LP endorsement, reject such an endorsement
.

But then if the Libertarian Party knew how to think a) logically and b) along a strict interpretation of its own rules,
the failure to think b) allowed Browne and his minions to operate like they'd learned the fine art of politicking from
the Daley machine, I wouldn't have ended my own LP membership a few years ago.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: wolfcreek on July 25, 2016, 12:09:35 pm
@mystery-ak  I said it before, if he actually did go after Hildabeast, he might win and that is not his intention.

Did you watch the convention? Hillary was trashed/mentioned Ad nauseam.

This is about Cruz having to back up the rhetoric after playing the victim card and challenging Trump in 4 years.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: thackney on July 25, 2016, 12:11:55 pm
Self-evident to all of us.  Sanders' wins primary states and the delegates all go to Hildabeast.  Their rules make whom their leaders choose the nominee - not their subjects. 

The GOP just adopted the same rules for future elections in their party.

@INVAR

The GOP has adopted superdelegates for future elections?  Would you provide a link to that claim?
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: youknowwho on July 25, 2016, 12:50:44 pm
Trump has been doing his best to get attention OFF of Hillary's problems this whole scampaign.

Is it true his buddy Carl Icahn, who endorsed Trump, has a Super Pac dumping money into the 3rd parties on the ticket?
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on July 25, 2016, 06:02:50 pm
I dunno.  What percentage supported Ronald Reagan?

Over 50%.  That's why he won the nomination.

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What percentage is active with, has attended meetings of, or is sympathetic to the Tea Party?  I'd bet over 65 percent.

Then why couldn't that 65% of the party nominate a conservative in the primary?  Even after Cruz was the only conservative in the race, he still wasn't close to 50%.  Why not?  Honestly, I can't get passed this argument.  If true conservatives really are the 'silent majority", then why hasn't the GOP nominated a true conservative since 1984?  There either 1) aren't as many conservatives as we think, or 2) the definition of "conservative" varies so much depending on who you ask that calling someone a "conservative" is meaningless.

Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Hoodat on July 25, 2016, 06:12:36 pm
@Maj. Bill Martin

Major Bill, Republicans weren't the only ones voting in Republican primaries.  There is a reason why vote totals rose significantly in 2016.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on July 25, 2016, 06:13:41 pm
It doesn't matter, now, does it.

Well, it matters a hell of a lot of your goal is to win elections.

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First we were told the GOP doesn't need us anyway.
Second, this isn't about anything but principle this time around.

Fair enough.  If it's not about conservatives winning elections, then the level of support doesn't matter.

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You ask us to define a number we cannot. You want a percentage answer to a question which has not been asked. Insufficient data. The electorate has been handed Hobson's choice and will reflect that.

The exact percentage was not my point.  My point was how a group of voters that isn't even large enough to win a nomination is going to be large enough to win a general election.  So you could pick any number you wanted out of a hat to make the point.  A percentage large enough to win the general election should be able to win a nomination easy.  It's a simple question of math, because the electorate wasn't "handed" a Hobson's choice.  It voted for this Hobson's choice.

Here's the reality that political junkies like us don't want to admit.  Personality, charisma, and communications skills are just as important as the message when it comes to winning an election.  So unless we come up with a conservative who has the right personality/charisma/communications skills, we're not going to elect or even nominate a conservative.  Period.  That person was not in this primary, so no conservative was nominated.  End of story.  And ask yourself -- prior to Reagan, when was the last time the U.S. elected a true conservative?

We have to get lucky.


Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Hoodat on July 25, 2016, 06:20:07 pm
And ask yourself -- prior to Reagan, when was the last time the U.S. elected a true conservative?

1892
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on July 25, 2016, 06:27:41 pm
1892

Probably right....

My point is that patience, while annoying as hell, is really an essential ingredient for those who want to see a conservative President.  It has to be a mix of the right views, and the right guy, and that's very difficult to find.


Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: catfish1957 on July 25, 2016, 06:33:15 pm
1892

imo

Coolidge in '24.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: starstruck on July 25, 2016, 07:02:43 pm
Probably right....

My point is that patience, while annoying as hell, is really an essential ingredient for those who want to see a conservative President.  It has to be a mix of the right views, and the right guy, and that's very difficult to find.
You are right about that. I still will pick the views every time. I would love to see a true conservative with charisma. Not for me, because I don't care, but for those who need to vote for personality.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Bigun on July 25, 2016, 07:06:25 pm
1892

I would say 1924 myself.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Night Hides Not on July 25, 2016, 07:07:47 pm
imo

Coolidge in '24.

Agree
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 25, 2016, 07:59:16 pm
Well, it matters a hell of a lot of your goal is to win elections.

Fair enough.  If it's not about conservatives winning elections, then the level of support doesn't matter.
I don't view electing someone who is of the character or stance I find abhorrent a "win". There is not major party candidate who fits, imho, and support for a third party candidate is unlikely to reach the level required to garner 270 electoral votes, so this time around, it doesn't matter. These things change, anyway, and the greatest enemy of a Trump Administration will be Trump should that come to pass, just as the greatest enemy of another Clinton Administration would be Hillary. Their actions will incite enmity.

 
The exact percentage was not my point.  My point was how a group of voters that isn't even large enough to win a nomination is going to be large enough to win a general election.  So you could pick any number you wanted out of a hat to make the point.  A percentage large enough to win the general election should be able to win a nomination easy.  It's a simple question of math, because the electorate wasn't "handed" a Hobson's choice.  It voted for this Hobson's choice.
If you count the crossover democrats in open primary states as GOP voters and a legitimate part of the electorate, Trump did not win 'easily'. He won with a plurality, the lowest in decades. So, far from it, those may have been the results, but would voters have cast their ballots differently (for someone other than the 15 other candidates) if they had known the outcome?
This also completely ignores the effects of trump's antics dominating media at the expense of other candidates (just that reality teevee star coming out), and the intense and I honestly believe coordinated smear campaign (just one, it started after Iowa and is ongoing) against the clear frontrunner had not Trump been in the race.
As for the electorate, Idiocracy sums it up nicely, with 40% of the GOP primary voters (if you count the democrat crossover vote as GOP primary voters) voting for Trump. The 16 way split of the remaining votes still produced a clear front-runner among those, even as the smear campaign intensified. (Really, his daddy killed JFK?)
This is the first election in which media such as facebook and twitter were significant, if not dominant factors. That both have as much veracity as their posters. Influencing people on social media has been studied as an effective propaganda medium and marketing tool, and we are seeing the results of that as well.

Here's the reality that political junkies like us don't want to admit.  Personality, charisma, and communications skills are just as important as the message when it comes to winning an election.  So unless we come up with a conservative who has the right personality/charisma/communications skills, we're not going to elect or even nominate a conservative.  Period.  That person was not in this primary, so no conservative was nominated.  End of story.  And ask yourself -- prior to Reagan, when was the last time the U.S. elected a true conservative?
Reagan would never have resorted to the outright smear and slanderous tactics Donald Trump employed to 'win'. The public would not have tolerated that either. If you want to think about something, consider that the plurality who voted for Trump voted for the most arrogant, bloviating, superficial, and frankly obnoxious candidate in recent history. That he likely had legions of internet trolls out cramming social media and other sites with not only pro-trump propaganda but (especially) anti-Cruz (although Cruz was not the only one--ask 'little Marco') hit pieces which were fabrications or unsubstantiated and definitely unresearched, repeated in the media echo chamber, retweeted, facebooked and then used as 'sources' which said...
The electorate was angry that the people sent to Washington didn't fulfill their promises, and in their anger they jumped on the bandwagon of the first person who promised them what they wanted. They didn't look past "WALL!" and Not importing Muslims, both of which have already been walked back. But in their anger, they also attacked the person the operatives DIDN'T want, namely Cruz. The mob psychology of those attacks, paid and spontaneous, will be the stuff of PhDs in Communications and Psychology for years. The same electorate which had rejected Newt for his family affairs turned around an election later and embraced an unabashed serial adulterer, why? Because they thought his latest wife is 'hot'?

Who knows? But one thing is certain, they voted for the person who resonated their anger, not any shred of principle they may have had, and in their anger formed a virtual lynch mob for Ted Cruz that continues in its anger, unfulfilled, because he didn't bow to the heir apparent and kiss his ring (or whatever).

We have to get lucky.
This wasn't luck. Idiocracy sums it up nicely
In the future, the GOP will not be eliminating open primaries. This allows the influence of Democrats to be felt within the party. Which is another reason to seek a third party.
When I say it does not matter, now, the die is cast for this election barring incident or accident.
There will be no do-over.
For the next four years the country will be in the hands of a New York Liberal.

After that four years matters--and in the meantime matters, to get viable candidates on ballots nationwide for a party which will reflect the views of those the GOP has disenfranchised.
If enough progress is made, those who are finally convinced that the GOP isn't going to make them any more free than the Democrats may move over. It will be slow, at first especially, fighting the "I wanna win, now!" factor as well as the "Bolshevik factor" (Majority Party, and anything else is a "loser" or will "waste your vote").

Trump will get his true believer vote, and I believe votes from a significant number of people who are more afraid of Hillary than are afraid of him. The latter group may even outnumber the rest.

But as the campaign progresses, his past will come out more, his gaffes will be used against him, his waffling on issues exposed, his Liberalism on display, and we'll see how many votes that costs him.
Plus, he will be up against a media savvy (and still Liberal media beloved) candidate who has no principles, either. His freebie media will grind to a halt and the outrageous will be used against him. If he slides to the left he should be a shoo-in to pick up some of Bernie's Communists. In a sense, that will be a more even matchup, because there will be no expectations of fundamental civility from either one.



Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: JustPassinThru on July 25, 2016, 08:30:10 pm
Over 50%.  That's why he won the nomination.

And more than sixty percent voted AGAINST Lord Trumpy.

Then why couldn't that 65% of the party nominate a conservative in the primary?  Even after Cruz was the only conservative in the race, he still wasn't close to 50%.  Why not?  Honestly, I can't get passed this argument.  If true conservatives really are the 'silent majority", then why hasn't the GOP nominated a true conservative since 1984?  There either 1) aren't as many conservatives as we think, or 2) the definition of "conservative" varies so much depending on who you ask that calling someone a "conservative" is meaningless.

Two Bush operatives remained in as spoilers.  Goober Grahamnesty; and Johnny Kase-Itch.

Divided the Not-Trump vote - there were deluded but well-meaning voters who thought Trump-hired-gun Roger Stone's meme about Cruz being Canadian was a concern.  And there are people who really ARE afraid for some confused reason about Constitutional Conservatives.  Guess they think we'll all be ordered to church every Sunday or something.

It was a divide-and-conquer, scorched-earth strategy.  THAT is why God the Donald won - and with a small plurality; and with plenty of smears and slander.

Now you got your chance.  You can run your two-dimensional imbecile and see where he lands.

I already know.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: skeeter on July 25, 2016, 08:40:08 pm
And more than sixty percent voted AGAINST Lord Trumpy.

Two Bush operatives remained in as spoilers.  Goober Grahamnesty; and Johnny Kase-Itch.

Divided the Not-Trump vote - there were deluded but well-meaning voters who thought Trump-hired-gun Roger Stone's meme about Cruz being Canadian was a concern.  And there are people who really ARE afraid for some confused reason about Constitutional Conservatives.  Guess they think we'll all be ordered to church every Sunday or something.

It was a divide-and-conquer, scorched-earth strategy.  THAT is why God the Donald won - and with a small plurality; and with plenty of smears and slander.

Now you got your chance.  You can run your two-dimensional imbecile and see where he lands.

I already know.

A great many republicans never listened past the first month of the primaries. They saw the celebrity, heard "wall", "deport" and "America never wins anymore" and they were sold. They haven't noticed Trump steadily sliding away from those themes ever since.

Cruz had the content, he just didn't convey the anger people wanted to hear, anger built over years of meek acquiescense on the part of the GOP leadership to the liberal agenda. The same leadership Trump has now allied himself with.

You need a snowplow to drive through this much irony.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: verga on July 25, 2016, 09:00:02 pm
Over 50%.  That's why he won the nomination.

Then why couldn't that 65% of the party nominate a conservative in the primary?  Even after Cruz was the only conservative in the race, he still wasn't close to 50%.  Why not?  Honestly, I can't get passed this argument.  If true conservatives really are the 'silent majority", then why hasn't the GOP nominated a true conservative since 1984?  There either 1) aren't as many conservatives as we think, or 2) the definition of "conservative" varies so much depending on who you ask that calling someone a "conservative" is meaningless.
@Maj. Bill Martin There are two reasons. 1) The media made Trump the spectacle. Yeah he said the outrageous things, but the media gave him all the attention.
2) We have open primaries and all the democrats knew that sHrillary was the anointed so they jumped over for the primary and put Trump over the top.

Trumps appeal is to the lowest common denominator. He speaks in short sentences written at about an 8th grade level. There is nothing thought provoking in any of his speeches. It is the exact same appeal that the democrats use. Reagan was able to bet Carter because of his ability to communicate and because at that point everyone realized that Carter was a complete imbecile. The media is still portraying Obozo as the cool guy President. Hell he is still campaigning by slow jamming the news with Jimmy Fallon. The media was able to pick the last three republican candidates. They gave us McCain, Romney and now Trump.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: starstruck on July 25, 2016, 09:07:24 pm


You need a snowplow to drive through this much irony.
Snow jobs instead of Obama's no jobs and Bill Clinton's blow..............Ok bumper stickers are not my forte.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Night Hides Not on July 25, 2016, 09:09:53 pm
Reagan would never have resorted to the outright smear and slanderous tactics Donald Trump employed to 'win'.

Ronald Reagan possessed a warm, kind heart. As part of a civics project, I sent him a letter when he was Governor regarding the diversion of water from Northern California to Southern California. It was the kind of letter you'd expect from a snot nosed 17 YO: lacking in facts, but overabundant with emotion.

His response was pure Reagan, as I would fully realize many years later. The first couple of sentences were "Thank you for writing to me. I enjoy hearing from young persons like yourself, as you bring such passion to the issues."

No staffer ever would have responded like that, IMO.

Unfortunately, I lost that letter during the several moves I made after high school. I'll never forget it, though.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on July 25, 2016, 09:14:58 pm
You are right about that. I still will pick the views every time. I would love to see a true conservative with charisma. Not for me, because I don't care, but for those who need to vote for personality.

Agreed.  It's sad that we've come to this.  It got much worse in the TV age, but it's the reality with which we must deal.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: starstruck on July 25, 2016, 09:20:59 pm
Agreed.  It's sad that we've come to this.  It got much worse in the TV age, but it's the reality with which we must deal.
Maybe it is. But don't expect me to vote for the charisma without the conservative philosophy. All hat and no cattle will not make America great again.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 25, 2016, 09:23:38 pm
Agreed.  It's sad that we've come to this.  It got much worse in the TV age, but it's the reality with which we must deal.
So it is Kardashian or lardashian....
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on July 25, 2016, 09:24:13 pm
@Maj. Bill Martin There are two reasons. 1) The media made Trump the spectacle. Yeah he said the outrageous things, but the media gave him all the attention.
2) We have open primaries and all the democrats knew that sHrillary was the anointed so they jumped over for the primary and put Trump over the top.

1) For all the coverage Trump got, it was overwhelmingly negative.  In fact, the thought was that it would surely sink the guy -- they weren't trying to help him.  The problem is that too many voters had the opposite reaction of what the media predicted.  I thought he'd be sunk with the McCain comment, but it just didn't happen.  Fact is, voters just liked him better than the alternative.

2) I think there is more validity to your second point, but still Cruz lost a lot of closed primaries/caucuses -- Kentucky, Louisiana, etc..

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Trumps appeal is to the lowest common denominator. He speaks in short sentences written at about an 8th grade level. There is nothing thought provoking in any of his speeches. It is the exact same appeal that the democrats use. Reagan was able to bet Carter because of his ability to communicate and because at that point everyone realized that Carter was a complete imbecile. The media is still portraying Obozo as the cool guy President. Hell he is still campaigning by slow jamming the news with Jimmy Fallon.


I don't disagree with any of that.

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The media was able to pick the last three republican candidates. They gave us McCain, Romney and now Trump.

I do disagree with that -- I think voters truly preferred them over the competition.  Not always as a "first" choice in the case of McCain and Romney, but as an "acceptable" backup once guys like Romney (in 2008), Gingrich (2012) dropped out.  As for Trump...as I said, everyone thought those negative stories would hurt him -- they just didn't.  And his competition either self-destructed (Rubio), or had flaws that too many voters just didn't like (Cruz, Bush, etc.).

In any case, I still don't see how it is easier for a conservative to win a general election as part of a third party.  If there were enough people to give such a candidate a chance, there should be more than enough to make that candidate the GOP nominee.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: INVAR on July 25, 2016, 09:35:42 pm
2) I think there is more validity to your second point, but still Cruz lost a lot of closed primaries/caucuses -- Kentucky, Louisiana, etc..
 

Speaking for KY - the State GOP suddenly changed the rules from a normal Primary to a Caucus for the sole purpose of letting Rand Paul run for both President and re-election for the Senate.

Paul dropped out before the caucus, and it was as if the Ron Paul Mob Zombies took over for Trump to infiltrate the caucuses.

A huge majority of Republicans who normally vote in primaries, stayed home as the caucuses were held on a Saturday at the county seat - which for some is a long way to travel.

I contend that had it been the normal primary, Cruz may indeed have carried the Commonwealth, but we will never know. 
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 25, 2016, 09:40:35 pm

In any case, I still don't see how it is easier for a conservative to win as part of a third party.
  You can't get elected if you can't get on the ballot, and the GOP is not making that any easier for anyone outside the GOP cartel. It would be far easier to get a Conservative on a third party ballot because Conservatives are persona non grata at the GOP.

If there were enough people to give such a candidate a chance, why didn't they vote for Cruz this time around?


You are ignoring the full court press smear campaign against Cruz.

Birtherism
flap over a previously used (in other campaigns) fund raising mailer

"lyin' Ted" retweeted what, millions of times?

CNN and Carson dropping out retweet

The misrepresentation of comments after Chicago (spewed as supporting rioters against trump--NOT what he said)

Five mistress Enquirer article (Yes, Trump and Packer are old friends)

'Ted thinks he's the annointed one (someone else said that) and is a cult member nonsense

The flap over Mrs Trump's GQ layout being used in a PAC ad, wrongfully attributed to Cruz

The attack on Heidi's looks and mental state

Claims of "stealing delegates" & CO form typo

Heidi is the GLobalist banker CFR-Illuminati-Bilderbergers-Trilateral Commission Commissar and architect of NAFTA (lies)

Ted's Dad helped kill JFK

And all the time with the "lyin' Ted" twitter smear.

How can you ignore that? You don't think all that had an effect?
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Norm Lenhart on July 25, 2016, 09:46:28 pm
Over 50%.  That's why he won the nomination.

Then why couldn't that 65% of the party nominate a conservative in the primary?  Even after Cruz was the only conservative in the race, he still wasn't close to 50%.  Why not?  Honestly, I can't get passed this argument.  If true conservatives really are the 'silent majority", then why hasn't the GOP nominated a true conservative since 1984?  There either 1) aren't as many conservatives as we think, or 2) the definition of "conservative" varies so much depending on who you ask that calling someone a "conservative" is meaningless.

Why? Is it not obvious? Has it not been demonstrated election after election?

You have a mere handful of people,left in America, with enough honesty to live by the words they speak. You have a mere handful of people that lack a wide yellow stripe down their back. You have a mere handful of people that are not every bit as liberal as the average democrat.

In the off season, everyone on the right is a 'conservative'. But come election season, the truth comes out and the overwhelming majority of 'the right' is as hard left as their opposition. Lets face it. They knowingly and willingly tried to elect a guy that profits from the abortions his own laws enabled last time. Electing a mere con man is nothing by comparison.

Why should ANYONE think such people would EVER stand up for conservative principles or actual Conservatives when it actually matters? They REPEATEDLY show how low their character is and never EVER admit liberalism, as demonstrated by their votes, is what they desire.

If they did not want liberals, they would not VOTE for liberals.

Period.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: aligncare on July 25, 2016, 09:53:25 pm
Over 50%.  That's why he won the nomination.

Then why couldn't that 65% of the party nominate a conservative in the primary?  Even after Cruz was the only conservative in the race, he still wasn't close to 50%.  Why not?  Honestly, I can't get passed this argument.  If true conservatives really are the 'silent majority", then why hasn't the GOP nominated a true conservative since 1984?  There either 1) aren't as many conservatives as we think, or 2) the definition of "conservative" varies so much depending on who you ask that calling someone a "conservative" is meaningless.

Yes. A reasonable argument. You're correct in your question.

Odds are that an extreme candidate on either ideological pole would have trouble getting elected president. --unless they're an 'historic' democrat of color, of course. :whistle:

But, it seems Donald Trump has managed to corral the great middle of American politics -- whatever their ideological beliefs. I think people see him as a fixer. Someone who can get the deal done for the American people -- not just a subset of them.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: aligncare on July 25, 2016, 09:56:16 pm
...I guess this is where I get attacked and insulted for having that opinion...
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 25, 2016, 10:00:10 pm
...I guess this is where I get attacked and insulted for having that opinion...
I won't attack that opinion. In large measure it is correct, in that Trump has raised a blank slate and thrown in a couple of hot button terms and let people write their own glorious solutions for all their ills on that blank slate, believing he will implement them.

It worked with Obama, too.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: aligncare on July 25, 2016, 10:07:31 pm
I won't attack that opinion. In large measure it is correct, in that Trump has raised a blank slate and thrown in a couple of hot button terms and let people write their own glorious solutions for all their ills on that blank slate, believing he will implement them.

It worked with Obama, too.

I remember thinking how moderate Obama sounded in his stump speeches. I suspected he was much less moderate in practice. Eight years later – well, that's history.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on July 25, 2016, 10:15:31 pm
Maybe it is. But don't expect me to vote for the charisma without the conservative philosophy. All hat and no cattle will not make America great again.

Oh, I'm not suggesting that at all.  My point goes more to those who think the problem is the lack of a third party.  The problem is more mundane than that -- it's the lack of the right candidate.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 25, 2016, 10:27:51 pm
Oh, I'm not suggesting that at all.  My point goes more to those who think the problem is the lack of a third party.  The problem is more mundane than that -- it's the lack of the right candidate.
Actually, it is a question of match up and timing. I have little doubt that sans Trump, Cruz would have been resoundingly nominated. Without Trump's smear campaign against Cruz, he would have taken the nomination handily, and the rest of the field would have done about the same they did, with a few more people. But Trump appealed to the Angry Party, ironically, angry because the GOPe had not done its job and ticked off the same electorate that put Trump snugly in bed with them.

Plus ca change, plus ca meme chose.

With that in mind, the desired result of those voting on principle will not be achieved by repeatedly tilting at the GOP windmill.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on July 25, 2016, 10:27:58 pm
Why? Is it not obvious? Has it not been demonstrated election after election?

You have a mere handful of people,left in America, with enough honesty to live by the words they speak. You have a mere handful of people that lack a wide yellow stripe down their back. You have a mere handful of people that are not every bit as liberal as the average democrat.

In the off season, everyone on the right is a 'conservative'. But come election season, the truth comes out and the overwhelming majority of 'the right' is as hard left as their opposition. Lets face it. They knowingly and willingly tried to elect a guy that profits from the abortions his own laws enabled last time. Electing a mere con man is nothing by comparison.

Why should ANYONE think such people would EVER stand up for conservative principles or actual Conservatives when it actually matters? They REPEATEDLY show how low their character is and never EVER admit liberalism, as demonstrated by their votes, is what they desire.

If they did not want liberals, they would not VOTE for liberals.

Period.

I don't disagree with any of that -- we actually agree.  I was addressing those who believe there is some "silent majority" out there just waiting to rally behind some new, conservative party.  That silent majority does not exist.  The claimed majority/near majority of conservatives doesn't exist when you start breaking it down issue by issue, and there is in fact significant disagreement on what a "conservative" actually is.  If you broaden the definition enough to get anywhere near 40% or so, you've lost some people who will consider that person "no longer a conservative".
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: skeeter on July 25, 2016, 10:32:11 pm
Snow jobs instead of Obama's no jobs and Bill Clinton's blow..............Ok bumper stickers are not my forte.

Not bad...
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 25, 2016, 10:34:59 pm
I don't disagree with any of that -- we actually agree.  I was addressing those who believe there is some "silent majority" out there just waiting to rally behind some new, conservative party.  That silent majority does not exist.  The claimed majority/near majority of conservatives doesn't exist when you start breaking it down issue by issue, and there is in fact significant disagreement on what a "conservative" actually is.  If you broaden the definition enough to get anywhere near 40% or so, you've lost some people who will consider that person "no longer a conservative".
Tell me, then, what more conservative stance would you find to be a deal-breaker in a match-up between a consummate Conservative and a Liberal like Hillary or Bernie? What would keep you from voting for someone more conservative than some 'ideal' more moderate candidate?
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Bigun on July 25, 2016, 10:41:31 pm
Oh, I'm not suggesting that at all.  My point goes more to those who think the problem is the lack of a third party.  The problem is more mundane than that -- it's the lack of the right candidate.

Nope! It's the lack of a second party!
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: DB on July 25, 2016, 10:51:12 pm
Regarding the brilliant deal maker Trump, all had to say after Cruz's speech was, "wow, great speech, vote your conscience, vote for me, I'll bring back the constitution". But he was incapable of doing so. It is kiss my ring or die. That isn't leadership and it isn't brilliant. It's deadly.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: sneakypete on July 25, 2016, 11:24:56 pm
Yes. A reasonable argument. You're correct in your question.

Odds are that an extreme candidate on either ideological pole would have trouble getting elected president. --unless they're an 'historic' democrat of color, of course. :whistle:



@aligncare

A left-handed cross-eyed cross-dressing half-Eskimo and half-black lesbian transvestite with a speech impediment that weighed 350 lbs would pretty much have a lock on the candidacy for either branch of the ruling party.   
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: INVAR on July 25, 2016, 11:33:39 pm
Why? Is it not obvious? Has it not been demonstrated election after election?

You have a mere handful of people,left in America, with enough honesty to live by the words they speak. You have a mere handful of people that lack a wide yellow stripe down their back. You have a mere handful of people that are not every bit as liberal as the average democrat.

In the off season, everyone on the right is a 'conservative'. But come election season, the truth comes out and the overwhelming majority of 'the right' is as hard left as their opposition. Lets face it. They knowingly and willingly tried to elect a guy that profits from the abortions his own laws enabled last time. Electing a mere con man is nothing by comparison.

Why should ANYONE think such people would EVER stand up for conservative principles or actual Conservatives when it actually matters? They REPEATEDLY show how low their character is and never EVER admit liberalism, as demonstrated by their votes, is what they desire.

If they did not want liberals, they would not VOTE for liberals.

Period.

Well, to extend some grace, most of those whom you describe look at politics and elections the same exact way they do a sporting event.  It's a contest and they want to be on the "winning team" just to feel the "euphoria" of a win and all the parades and parties that happen afterward so they can say "I was there.  I had a part in the big win".

For the majority - principles do not exist except when it is convenient.

The only principles for most is a paycheck, booze, cell phone, pizza, cable and porn on demand.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Norm Lenhart on July 26, 2016, 12:33:38 am
The only principles for most is a paycheck, booze, cell phone, pizza, cable and porn on demand.

Which is what they should stick to as they clearly lack the intelligence or the morality to vote in the interests of their country or their fellow countrymen.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 26, 2016, 01:53:22 am
Well, to extend some grace, most of those whom you describe look at politics and elections the same exact way they do a sporting event.  It's a contest and they want to be on the "winning team" just to feel the "euphoria" of a win and all the parades and parties that happen afterward so they can say "I was there.  I had a part in the big win".

For the majority - principles do not exist except when it is convenient.

The only principles for most is a paycheck, booze, cell phone, pizza, cable and porn on demand.

I believe you are referring to Bread and Circuses Republicrats.

They are Republican/Democrat because:

their mommy or daddy was
their best or all of their friend(s) was
they dated this hunk or hot chick who was
they thought it would be cool
they got drunk at the county fair and signed up
they got promised free stuff
those other guys are rayciss
they are rayciss, but the party really isn't
they believe there ain't no free lunch
they want free lunch
they like donkeys, especially after Shrek
they like elephants, especially after Horton Hears a Who
they think (fill in blank with name) is cool and they are a Republican/Democrat
You couldn't march in the protest if you were one
etc...

It is a brand, like Coke or Pepsi, meaningless in any sense to them except it is their brand, and they'll defend it with their sacred vote, right or wrong. Besides, they had to go to the principal's office once and that was enough principals for them.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: wolfcreek on July 26, 2016, 12:50:46 pm
  You can't get elected if you can't get on the ballot, and the GOP is not making that any easier for anyone outside the GOP cartel. It would be far easier to get a Conservative on a third party ballot because Conservatives are persona non grata at the GOP.

You are ignoring the full court press smear campaign against Cruz.

Birtherism
flap over a previously used (in other campaigns) fund raising mailer

"lyin' Ted" retweeted what, millions of times?

CNN and Carson dropping out retweet

The misrepresentation of comments after Chicago (spewed as supporting rioters against trump--NOT what he said)

Five mistress Enquirer article (Yes, Trump and Packer are old friends)

'Ted thinks he's the annointed one (someone else said that) and is a cult member nonsense

The flap over Mrs Trump's GQ layout being used in a PAC ad, wrongfully attributed to Cruz

The attack on Heidi's looks and mental state

Claims of "stealing delegates" & CO form typo

Heidi is the GLobalist banker CFR-Illuminati-Bilderbergers-Trilateral Commission Commissar and architect of NAFTA (lies)

Ted's Dad helped kill JFK

And all the time with the "lyin' Ted" twitter smear.

How can you ignore that? You don't think all that had an effect?

Tweets are generated by individuals not necessarily the media. Can't really control that.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: wolfcreek on July 26, 2016, 12:55:32 pm
Actually, it is a question of match up and timing. I have little doubt that sans Trump, Cruz would have been resoundingly nominated. Without Trump's smear campaign against Cruz, he would have taken the nomination handily, and the rest of the field would have done about the same they did, with a few more people. But Trump appealed to the Angry Party, ironically, angry because the GOPe had not done its job and ticked off the same electorate that put Trump snugly in bed with them.

Plus ca change, plus ca meme chose.

With that in mind, the desired result of those voting on principle will not be achieved by repeatedly tilting at the GOP windmill.

Sans Trump, Bush [with his war chest] or some other candidate would have smeared Cruz. Obviously the man I voted for was ripe for being smeared.

Such is politics.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: aligncare on July 26, 2016, 01:48:10 pm
Sans Trump, Bush [with his war chest] or some other candidate would have smeared Cruz. Obviously the man I voted for was ripe for being smeared.

Such is politics.

That's an interesting point you bring up. History is replete with bitter campaigns. Candidates say awful things about each other, always have, always will.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 26, 2016, 03:53:28 pm
Tweets are generated by individuals not necessarily the media. Can't really control that.
One of those individuals was @realdonaldtrump. And his "lyin'" crap was retweeted. If he didn't put it out, it couldn't be retweeted. The media folks tweet, too, and they were retweeting it.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 26, 2016, 03:56:38 pm
Sans Trump, Bush [with his war chest] or some other candidate would have smeared Cruz. Obviously the man I voted for was ripe for being smeared.

Such is politics.
Any person or candidate is ripe for being smeared. It could start with a facebook post that said 'wolfcreek was seen in a trench coat and sneakers self exposing to a playground full of kids' and you'd have to prove you didn't. That's the thing about smears. They aren't true, they never were, but it puts the opposition on the defensive, proving a negative. Any jackwagon with a blurry photo image can start one, and the lie will circle the globe before the truth gets out the door.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 26, 2016, 04:00:39 pm
Tweets are generated by individuals not necessarily the media. Can't really control that.
SOme of those individuals are likely gainfully employed for that purpose. BTW, that long list was carried by a lot more than twitter, including tabloid media (oddly accepted as Gospel all of a sudden by parties who would ordinarily have dismissed it out of hand), closely tied to another candidate by virtue of an old friendship. Notice, the bulk of attacks were levied only at those who were in fact a threat to the orange tweeter.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: geronl on July 26, 2016, 04:05:41 pm
The Trump campaign was huge on telling voters that Cruz was ineligible because he was a Canadian. You can bet that a lot more Iowans were told this than heard about the possible dropping out of Ben Carson, which came from CNN. It is a much bigger lie and it came directly from the Trump campaign.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: JustPassinThru on July 26, 2016, 04:11:52 pm
The Trump campaign was huge on telling voters that Cruz was ineligible because he was a Canadian. You can bet that a lot more Iowans were told this than heard about the possible dropping out of Ben Carson, which came from CNN. It is a much bigger lie and it came directly from the Trump campaign.

It came straight from the foul mouth of Roger Stone.

Stone is a Nixon retread.  He studied at the knee of the Prince of Lies, back when he was a youngster fresh out of college.  He thought lying and Dirty Tricks were pretty neato-keeno; and he's since written some documents espousing that sort of political tactics.

Trump sought him out.  Birds of a feather, I guess.  But the lies just keep on coming - as I knew they would, once I saw that Trump was uninterested in facts or truth and that he'd gotten a Hired Slimer to put out this stuff.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: catfish1957 on July 26, 2016, 04:17:55 pm
It came straight from the foul mouth of Roger Stone.

Stone is a Nixon retread.  He studied at the knee of the Prince of Lies, back when he was a youngster fresh out of college.  He thought lying and Dirty Tricks were pretty neato-keeno; and he's since written some documents espousing that sort of political tactics.

Trump sought him out.  Birds of a feather, I guess.  But the lies just keep on coming - as I knew they would, once I saw that Trump was uninterested in facts or truth and that he'd gotten a Hired Slimer to put out this stuff.

Considering the likely complicity Trump is with the NI event, and association with Stone/Pecker, the involvment Russian wikileaks deal looks more plausible.

Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Rivergirl on July 26, 2016, 04:25:10 pm
Cruz won Iowa despite his insistence that he was against subsidies.  Not just corn subsidies but all subsidies while orange crush waffled.  He was against the subsidy before he was for the subsidy.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 26, 2016, 04:38:29 pm
Cruz won Iowa despite his insistence that he was against subsidies.  Not just corn subsidies but all subsidies while orange crush waffled.  He was against the subsidy before he was for the subsidy.
Actually, within hours of Cruz saying he was against subsidies and the Renewable Fuels Mandate, and Governor Branstad (R-whose son is an ethanol lobbyist) saying "Cruz must be defeated, whatever it takes", Trump came out saying he wanted not only to keep, but increase the Renewable Fuels Mandate and use the EPA to enforce it to the fullest extent of the law.

I saw two things in Trump's statement: Kissing King Corn's ass... (sucking up for gubernatorial support)

And the willingness to strengthen the very agency which has done the most to destroy and drive out American industry. "Make America Great Again"--yeah, right. That was enough Trump for me.

Hang the fact that currently mandated blend volumes of ethanol are nearing the 10% blend wall already, and an increase will only destroy older fuel systems and small engines (everything from lawnmowers and generators to snowmobiles and outboard motors)
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: wolfcreek on July 26, 2016, 05:51:19 pm
Any person or candidate is ripe for being smeared. It could start with a facebook post that said 'wolfcreek was seen in a trench coat and sneakers self exposing to a playground full of kids' and you'd have to prove you didn't. That's the thing about smears. They aren't true, they never were, but it puts the opposition on the defensive, proving a negative. Any jackwagon with a blurry photo image can start one, and the lie will circle the globe before the truth gets out the door.

Trump didn't hold back punches for anyone. He's equal opportunity as advertised.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: geronl on July 26, 2016, 05:55:47 pm
Cruz won Iowa despite his insistence that he was against subsidies.  Not just corn subsidies but all subsidies while orange crush waffled.  He was against the subsidy before he was for the subsidy.

I don't think Trump has ever opposed subsidies for himself and his businesses.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: geronl on July 26, 2016, 05:57:43 pm
CNN Poll suggested that 45% of Republicans want a new nominee.  lol

Also that while Ted Cruz' GOP support dropped, his support among independents made up the difference
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: beandog on July 26, 2016, 06:06:16 pm
Trump didn't hold back punches for anyone. He's equal opportunity as advertised.

The Great Orange tRumpkin is the King of the sucker punch.  It's what cowards do.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: catfish1957 on July 26, 2016, 06:07:02 pm
The Great Orange tRumpkin is the King of the sucker punch.  It's what cowards do.

Well put......
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: HoustonSam on July 26, 2016, 06:10:26 pm
Trump didn't hold back punches for anyone. He's equal opportunity as advertised.

Which is precisely the thing that destroyed Republican Party unity, and, coupled with his non-conservative beliefs and megalomania, helped drive many of us to the irrevocable conclusion that we cannot support him.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Idaho_Cowboy on July 26, 2016, 06:11:08 pm
Trump didn't hold back punches for anyone. He's equal opportunity as advertised.
Because the best way to beat Democrats is to attack Republicans?
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: INVAR on July 26, 2016, 06:15:24 pm
Actually, within hours of Cruz saying he was against subsidies and the Renewable Fuels Mandate, and Governor Branstad (R-whose son is an ethanol lobbyist) saying "Cruz must be defeated, whatever it takes", Trump came out saying he wanted not only to keep, but increase the Renewable Fuels Mandate and use the EPA to enforce it to the fullest extent of the law.

I saw two things in Trump's statement: Kissing King Corn's ass... (sucking up for gubernatorial support)

And the willingness to strengthen the very agency which has done the most to destroy and drive out American industry. "Make America Great Again"--yeah, right. That was enough Trump for me.

Hang the fact that currently mandated blend volumes of ethanol are nearing the 10% blend wall already, and an increase will only destroy older fuel systems and small engines (everything from lawnmowers and generators to snowmobiles and outboard motors)

The Trump Militant to this day completely ignore this fact, and every single other fruit that proves their prince is just another Liberal Democrat tyrant.

But they want revenge and want to see punishment on the people and things they believe Trump will punish.

It's just another statist mob who are grafted to their preferred cult of personality.

Trump makes Fascism fashionable.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: sneakypete on July 26, 2016, 06:22:49 pm

Hang the fact that currently mandated blend volumes of ethanol are nearing the 10% blend wall already, and an increase will only destroy older fuel systems and small engines (everything from lawnmowers and generators to snowmobiles and outboard motors)

@Smokin Joe

Yeah,but just look at all the manufacturing and sales jobs that will create!

Anybody that doesn't think the goobermint people,including the Mother Earth kumtwats behind this ain't buying stock in the industries affected just ain't thinking clearly.

Hell,even a retard like Goober Gore made hundreds of millions from exploiting the environment.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: sneakypete on July 26, 2016, 06:26:09 pm
Because the best way to beat Democrats is to attack Republicans?

@Idaho_Cowboy

What makes you think he has any interest in defeating Dims. His whole damn family are Dims and have been Dims since the 1800's. HE's a Dim.

What he REALLY cares about is profit,and he doesn't care who he hurts as long as he and his family profit.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: starstruck on July 26, 2016, 06:29:55 pm
That's an interesting point you bring up. History is replete with bitter campaigns. Candidates say awful things about each other, always have, always will.
I also recall a candidate who is so bitter about another candidate not liking him, he is going to start a PAC to destroy him.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Idaho_Cowboy on July 26, 2016, 06:38:55 pm
@Idaho_Cowboy

What makes you think he has any interest in defeating Dims. His whole damn family are Dims and have been Dims since the 1800's. HE's a Dim.

What he REALLY cares about is profit,and he doesn't care who he hurts as long as he and his family profit.
Good point. I should know better than to let a false premise like that go unaswered. So far as I can tell, Trump is part of the Klinton Klan
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 26, 2016, 06:42:08 pm
Trump didn't hold back punches for anyone. He's equal opportunity as advertised.
No, he didn't...but he hit below the belt.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 26, 2016, 06:46:21 pm
@Smokin Joe

Yeah,but just look at all the manufacturing and sales jobs that will create!

Anybody that doesn't think the goobermint people,including the Mother Earth kumtwats behind this ain't buying stock in the industries affected just ain't thinking clearly.

Hell,even a retard like Goober Gore made hundreds of millions from exploiting the environment.

Yeah, but the manufacturing jobs won't be here. They'll be in China, Pakistan, Vietnam....Sales will be done on the internet, and those servers won't be made here, either, and possibly not located here. Packages are sorted by machine...so maybe, just maybe, out of everything from aggravation to  life threatening situations (offshore a mile or more when the outboard quits in a small craft), maybe one package truck driver, net.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 26, 2016, 06:50:23 pm
That's an interesting point you bring up. History is replete with bitter campaigns. Candidates say awful things about each other, always have, always will.
Each other, sure. C'est la guerre. About wives and fathers? Full on attacks on wives and fathers? When was the last campaign that was done?
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: catfish1957 on July 26, 2016, 06:54:14 pm
Each other, sure. C'est la guerre. About wives and fathers? Full on attacks on wives and fathers? When was the last campaign that was done?

Amen brother, the Trumpkins will retort that "politics a'int beans", which is true, until you have a candidate who feeds their opponents Castor Beans.

Trump set a precedent several times of bottom feeding political rhetoric.  Too bad his cult won't acknowledge that.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: aligncare on July 26, 2016, 07:00:32 pm
Each other, sure. C'est la guerre. About wives and fathers? Full on attacks on wives and fathers? When was the last campaign that was done?

Melania was used in a political attack ad by Cruz people first, implying something tawdry about her, and Trump always counterpunches. Think of it as he was defending his wife's honor. Seems politicians are allowed that, aren't they?
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: biff on July 26, 2016, 07:03:49 pm
I used to think the Democrunts were absolutely the worst of the worst of the bottom feeders in their insulting, hateful ways. However, they cannot hold a candle to the Trumpanzees with their bottom feeding scum-bag insults against "fellow" Republicans. God save the queen, the Republican party is dead.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: catfish1957 on July 26, 2016, 07:04:37 pm
implying something tawdry about her,

The woman posed nude in front of a camera.  I don't think "implies" is very descriptive here.  Try the bald faced truth.

Can you cite some truths about the slime Trump spread?
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 26, 2016, 07:09:09 pm
Melania was used in a political attack ad by Cruz people first, implying something tawdry about her, and Trump always counterpunches. Think of it as he was defending his wife's honor. Seems politicians are allowed that, aren't they?
Right out of the gate when shown the ad, Cruz responded "that isn't one of ours", which it wasn't.
The ad was run by an independent PAC not connected to the Cruz camp.

Trump flew off the handle and attacked Cruz and his wife, without finding out where the ad came from first, and the rest is a smokescreen of lies to cover Trump's actual first strike on Cruz.

It would be like nuking the Russians and finding out the bomb came from Pakistan...then making up stuff about the Russians to cover your butt.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: HoustonSam on July 26, 2016, 07:13:27 pm
Melania was used in a political attack ad by Cruz people first, implying something tawdry about her, and Trump always counterpunches. Think of it as he was defending his wife's honor. Seems politicians are allowed that, aren't they?

The ad was not done by Cruz people.  End of argument.

The original photos had been approved by Trump because they were published in a magazine which appealed to his ego.  So if anything tawdry was implied about Mrs. Trump, it was implied by herself and "Mr." Trump in the original publication.  Hard to argue that a photograph approved by the subject and the subject's husband could be an attack ad, anymore than arguing that one's literal words are a misrepresentation of what one said.

If Trump's counterpunch is excusable on the grounds that he was defending his wife, then there is no argument to be made that Cruz's refusal to endorse Trump, on the same basis, indicts Cruz's character.

And finally, always counterpunching might be an effective personal brand for a megalomaniac, but it is a poor basis for leadership.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 26, 2016, 07:13:34 pm
The woman posed nude in front of a camera.  I don't think "implies" is very descriptive here.  Try the bald faced truth.

Can you cite some truths about the slime Trump spread?
Everything you might have wanted to know and more...
Interesting Magazine cover included in the article, with even more info:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3201088/Melania-Trump-Lady-pose-NUDE-talk-incredible-sex-life-Donald-Howard-Stern-rival-Jackie-Kennedy-elegance-style-quiet-strength.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3201088/Melania-Trump-Lady-pose-NUDE-talk-incredible-sex-life-Donald-Howard-Stern-rival-Jackie-Kennedy-elegance-style-quiet-strength.html)

Will Howard Stern be attending the inaugural ball?
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: beandog on July 26, 2016, 07:18:09 pm
Melania was used in a political attack ad by Cruz people first, implying something tawdry about her, and Trump always counterpunches. Think of it as he was defending his wife's honor. Seems politicians are allowed that, aren't they?
You have got to stop with the lie that Cruz or his "people" had anything to do with any photo of the Donald's third wife.  Second, at the time the photo was taken it was with the approval of both of them, the Donald because he wanted to show off his hot new girlfriend, like a trophy, and Melania because she liked being shown off.  If they didn't have a problem with it then, they shouldn't have a problem with it now.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: youknowwho on July 26, 2016, 07:21:51 pm
Tweets are generated by individuals not necessarily the media. Can't really control that.

But with Trump and Cruz , they used it against Cruz everytime and never once used any journalistic integrity.  They, as journalists, and media, laughed.  LAUGHED. Well Fox did.  I will say that I was SHIOCKED that Jake Tapper and Anderson Cooper were way more fair to Cruz,  when he was attacked by Trump,  than ANYONE at Fox was.  They actually took the lies and slander seriously and presented it as such.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: aligncare on July 26, 2016, 07:22:32 pm
The woman posed nude in front of a camera.  I don't think "implies" is very descriptive here.  Try the bald faced truth.

Can you cite some truths about the slime Trump spread?

Whoa, Paint. Yer working up a froth... Come on, fess up. You look at the pretty models in those fashion ads, don't you?  You don't live in a monastery, do you? If so, please accept my apologies. I didn't mean to imply anything tawdry.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: wolfcreek on July 26, 2016, 07:35:50 pm
The Great Orange tRumpkin is the King of the sucker punch.  It's what cowards do.

Oh I believe he was in the same room with them, looking them square in the face.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: wolfcreek on July 26, 2016, 07:40:03 pm
No, he didn't...but he hit below the belt.

He rewrote the rules on how it's done and won.

Isn't that why someone would bother to put themselves, their families and friends in a contest like this? To win?
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: wolfcreek on July 26, 2016, 07:45:12 pm
You have got to stop with the lie that Cruz or his "people" had anything to do with any photo of the Donald's third wife.  Second, at the time the photo was taken it was with the approval of both of them, the Donald because he wanted to show off his hot new girlfriend, like a trophy, and Melania because she liked being shown off.  If they didn't have a problem with it then, they shouldn't have a problem with it now.

Fact is it brought the wives into the race. Trump said noting about Heidi before that.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: wolfcreek on July 26, 2016, 07:47:08 pm
Whoa, Paint. Yer working up a froth... Come on, fess up. You look at the pretty models in those fashion ads, don't you?  You don't live in a monastery, do you? If so, please accept my apologies. I didn't mean to imply anything tawdry.

They're just jealous.  :laugh:
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: wolfcreek on July 26, 2016, 07:49:27 pm
But with Trump and Cruz , they used it against Cruz everytime and never once used any journalistic integrity.  They, as journalists, and media, laughed.  LAUGHED. Well Fox did.  I will say that I was SHIOCKED that Jake Tapper and Anderson Cooper were way more fair to Cruz,  when he was attacked by Trump,  than ANYONE at Fox was.  They actually took the lies and slander seriously and presented it as such.

The Left uses Tweets and other social media to attack candidates all the time. It's part of politics in a big way.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: geronl on July 26, 2016, 07:50:13 pm
Melania was used in a political attack ad by Cruz people first,

 They were not "Cruz people".
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: HoustonSam on July 26, 2016, 07:50:57 pm
Fact is it brought the wives into the race. Trump said noting about Heidi before that.

Cruz had said nothing about Melania period, and when he did finally say something about her it was complimentary.

Worn out, repeatedly disproven arguments against a man who is no longer even in the race will not be convincing to many people that Trump deserves our vote.  In fact they prove precisely the opposite.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: skeeter on July 26, 2016, 07:59:43 pm
They were not "Cruz people".

At what point do we conclude that a mistaken belief become an intentional lie?

Its not as if these charges haven't been categorically refuted with facts.

Yet they still toss them out there, over and over.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: aligncare on July 26, 2016, 07:59:58 pm
They were not "Cruz people".

Well they weren't Trump people. They were acting on Ted Cruz behalf to help him win among Mormons in Utah. Those were the type of people who were supporting Ted Cruz, moralistic.

So what if the assignments of a successful high fashion model include partial nudity. Have you looked at where the culture is today? I'm sure you look at television and notice fashion magazines and listen to music. We are living in the 21st-century, in case some have failed to notice.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: skeeter on July 26, 2016, 08:02:44 pm
Well they weren't Trump people. They were acting on Ted Cruz behalf to help him win among Mormons in Utah. Those were the type of people who were supporting Ted Cruz, moralistic.

So what if the assignments of a successful high fashion model include partial nudity. Have you looked at where the culture is today? I'm sure you look at television and notice fashion magazines and listen to music. We are living in the 21st-century, in case some have failed to notice.

THEY were Make America Awesome, and anti-Trump PAC who's leader, Liz Meir, was admittedly more of a Rubio supporter. Cruz had NOTHING at all to do with the ad.

Nothing, nada, zilch.

But I'll wager you'll be back at the next opportunity, calling them "Cruz folks".
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: sneakypete on July 26, 2016, 08:15:13 pm
Yeah, but the manufacturing jobs won't be here. They'll be in China, Pakistan, Vietnam....Sales will be done on the internet, and those servers won't be made here, either, and possibly not located here. Packages are sorted by machine...so maybe, just maybe, out of everything from aggravation to  life threatening situations (offshore a mile or more when the outboard quits in a small craft), maybe one package truck driver, net.

@Smokin Joe

Joe,I may very well be 100 percent off on this one,but I SUSPECT that economic conditions will soon settle to the point where it will be safe for the bankers behind all the off-shore moves and bankruptcy of American manufacturing to suddenly change all the laws they originally had passed to force manufacturing off-shore,and they will bring it back now that they have no competition here and a compliant congress and WH to protect their investments.

Suddenly we will hear cries of "BUY AMERICAN!" again from the ruling class,and all will be well in Gotham.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Bigun on July 26, 2016, 08:20:52 pm
THEY were Make America Awesome, and anti-Trump PAC who's leader, Liz Meir, was admittedly more of a Rubio supporter. Cruz had NOTHING at all to do with the ad.

Nothing, nada, zilch.

But I'll wager you'll be back at the next opportunity, calling them "Cruz folks".

Count on it!  Facts bounce off their thick skulls like bullets off of superman!
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: HoustonSam on July 26, 2016, 08:21:48 pm
Well they weren't Trump people.

Actually they were.  Trump and Melania themselves were the first people to have the photograph published.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: sneakypete on July 26, 2016, 08:22:16 pm
Melania was used in a political attack ad by Cruz people first, implying something tawdry about her, and Trump always counterpunches. Think of it as he was defending his wife's honor. Seems politicians are allowed that, aren't they?

@aligncare

I have heard the source for that as being from other than Cruz,but even if it WAS Cruz,what's the big deal? She WAS a professional model,and Trump was well aware of the photos being taken when they were taken because at least some of them were taken aboard his private jet. Instead of embarrassing Trump,he most likely got semi-wood over all the other men he thinks will envy him because he bought a hot wife.

Remember,Trump is one of the most shallow fools on the planet. His whole sense of self comes from swimming in the illusions that HE is "Mega Man" and all the other men are jealous of him. In truth,she is just an expensive bauble,like so many other things with his name on him. The ONLY person he cares anything about in the whole world is himself,and his mini-mes,and he only cares about them because he sees them as reflections on him.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: wolfcreek on July 26, 2016, 08:22:43 pm
THEY were Make America Awesome, and anti-Trump PAC who's leader, Liz Meir, was admittedly more of a Rubio supporter. Cruz had NOTHING at all to do with the ad.

Nothing, nada, zilch.

But I'll wager you'll be back at the next opportunity, calling them "Cruz folks".

Trumps reaction wasn't anywhere near the initial offering. A bitchy face?? How does it disrespect anyone?
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Idaho_Cowboy on July 26, 2016, 08:31:48 pm
Well they weren't Trump people. They were acting on Ted Cruz behalf to help him win among Mormons in Utah. Those were the type of people who were supporting Ted Cruz, moralistic.

So what if the assignments of a successful high fashion model include partial nudity. Have you looked at where the culture is today? I'm sure you look at television and notice fashion magazines and listen to music. We are living in the 21st-century, in case some have failed to notice.
So there is a problem with being having morals now? You might want to rethink the message you are sending there.

Trump's response to a PAC unaffiliated with Cruz spreading pictures of Trump's wife (which aren't exactly secret) is to call Cruz 'Lying Ted', insult his wife, and lie about his Dad. That's not counter punching. That's off target, disproportional, and dishonest.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: HoustonSam on July 26, 2016, 08:32:37 pm
Trumps reaction wasn't anywhere near the initial offering. A bitchy face?? How does it disrespect anyone?

It disrespects the entire country by suggesting that a posed photograph of a woman next to a candid photograph of a woman would in any sense be persuasive in an election.

Talk around it all you wish, but the facts of the matter, repeatedly provided and never rebutted, indicate that Trump was at fault for personally insulting Cruz's wife and the entire country, while Cruz responded with a compliment to Trump's wife.  If you are OK with that in your candidate, that's fine it's your vote.  Many of us are not and if you think you're gaining support for Trump by continuing to re-hash things that everyone knows are untrue, then you aren't thinking very carefully.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: wolfcreek on July 26, 2016, 08:35:54 pm
I voted to end this irrelevant thread.

Who's wit me?
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on July 26, 2016, 08:36:54 pm
It disrespects the entire country by suggesting that a posed photograph of a woman next to a candid photograph of a woman would in any sense be persuasive in an election.

Talk around it all you wish, but the facts of the matter, repeatedly provided and never rebutted, indicate that Trump was at fault for personally insulting Cruz's wife and the entire country, while Cruz responded with a compliment to Trump's wife.  If you are OK with that in your candidate, that's fine it's your vote.  Many of us are not and if you think you're gaining support for Trump by continuing to re-hash things that everyone knows are untrue, then you aren't thinking very carefully.

I'm voting for Trump in the general, but what he did with Heidi Cruz was inexcusable, and wrong.  I can't believe anyone is still defending that.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Idaho_Cowboy on July 26, 2016, 08:39:02 pm
Trumps reaction wasn't anywhere near the initial offering. A bitchy face?? How does it disrespect anyone?
Cruz's reaction is a primer in how to rise above unlike Trump's reaction:


Donald, real men don't attack women. Your wife is lovely, and Heidi is the love of my life. https://t.co/pprXhIMzUT
— Ted Cruz (@tedcruz) March 24, 2016

 
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on July 26, 2016, 08:41:33 pm
Tell me, then, what more conservative stance would you find to be a deal-breaker in a match-up between a consummate Conservative and a Liberal like Hillary or Bernie? What would keep you from voting for someone more conservative than some 'ideal' more moderate candidate?

You misunderstand me.  I'm an not arguing for support of a more moderate candidate.  I am arguing that calls for a third party are ignoring the real reason we don't nominate conservatives.  It's not because "the system is rigged" -- it's because there aren't enough conservatives, and I recognize that "conservative" is a word about which people disagree.  But however you define it, the point remains.

Whether or not a particular GOP nominee is acceptable is going to vary widely between people, and perhaps depending on who the other party has nominated.  I'm simply saying that the only way to elect another "real" conservative is to 1) find the right person, and 2) build a coalition that can elect him/her.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: HoustonSam on July 26, 2016, 08:43:53 pm
I'm voting for Trump in the general, but what he did with Heidi Cruz was inexcusable, and wrong.  I can't believe anyone is still defending that.

Props and respect to you @Maj. Bill Martin.  Although I can't vote for Trump I respect those who choose to while being honest about his faults.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Idaho_Cowboy on July 26, 2016, 08:46:01 pm
I'm voting for Trump in the general, but what he did with Heidi Cruz was inexcusable, and wrong.  I can't believe anyone is still defending that.
I can respect your attitude on this one @ Maj. Bill Martin. Some however, feel the need to make Trump the perfect candidate or feel they are disloyal. This leads to a variety of trumpslaining tatics such as the ever popular: "But Mooooom! He started it first!" tatic you see on this thread.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 26, 2016, 08:51:42 pm
Fact is it brought the wives into the race. Trump said noting about Heidi before that.
Fact is that Trump retaliated against the wrong people.

Do you really want that finger on the nuclear button?
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Idaho_Cowboy on July 26, 2016, 08:56:28 pm
I voted to end this irrelevant thread.

Who's wit me?
No, I say we milk for all its worth. It's been very enlightening into the actions and rationale of Trump and his supporters.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: geronl on July 26, 2016, 09:01:48 pm
It's not because "the system is rigged" -- it's because there aren't enough conservatives,

I will be conservative if I am the only one left. I am not going to vote 180 degrees away from my beliefs for Trump.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Night Hides Not on July 26, 2016, 09:03:52 pm
Fact is that Trump retaliated against the wrong people.

Do you really want that finger on the nuclear button?

 :da man:

:hands:

:thumbsup:

That ranks as high, if not higher, on my priority list than SCOTUS appointments. There's no provision for "advise and consent" when the nuke is detonated.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: sneakypete on July 26, 2016, 09:21:28 pm
You misunderstand me.  I'm an not arguing for support of a more moderate candidate.  I am arguing that calls for a third party are ignoring the real reason we don't nominate conservatives.  It's not because "the system is rigged" -- it's because there aren't enough conservatives, and I recognize that "conservative" is a word about which people disagree.  But however you define it, the point remains.



@Maj. Bill Martin

I strongly disagree. EVERY time an actual conservative "America First" candidate runs for public office,they win.

Which is why the RNC leadership goes to great pains to keep conservatives from running,and do their damndest to corrupt any conservative candidate that slips past them by forcing RNC-approved campaign officials off on them.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: sneakypete on July 26, 2016, 09:27:01 pm
Fact is that Trump retaliated against the wrong people.

Do you really want that finger on the nuclear button?

@Smokin Joe

Joe,what could possibly go wrong with giving a narcissistic sociopath the nuclear launch codes?
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 26, 2016, 09:52:28 pm
You misunderstand me.  I'm an not arguing for support of a more moderate candidate.  I am arguing that calls for a third party are ignoring the real reason we don't nominate conservatives.  It's not because "the system is rigged" -- it's because there aren't enough conservatives, and I recognize that "conservative" is a word about which people disagree.  But however you define it, the point remains.

Whether or not a particular GOP nominee is acceptable is going to vary widely between people, and perhaps depending on who the other party has nominated.  I'm simply saying that the only way to elect another "real" conservative is to 1) find the right person, and 2) build a coalition that can elect him/her.
Thing is, that this time the GOP was ripe to nominate a Conservative.
Not just another 'election year' conservative, but a guy who had walked the walk, too.

The GOP hierarchy didn't want a Conservative--my God, a man who would take a principled stand is bad for bid'ness, especially the scam the Congress has been running on the American People for the last seven years.

That scam has angered the GOP voters, I'd safely say 75% of them are dissatisfied with the way things have been done. (40% for Trump, and at least another 35% for 'outsiders').
But, Instead, in anger at their own party, and with a tremendous amount of social media goading (and an unprecedented smear campaign of lies against the Conservative), they nominated Trump.

Another opportunity missed, and considering that Hillary was the likely opponent, a really good one.

Now, when you consider that out of the past seven election cycles, the GOP has, at best, run a right of center candidate, those odds of getting a Conservative candidate are bad and getting worse, not better.

At least with a Third Party, there is no deeply entrenched Washington apparatchik network which must be overcome to run a Conservative--if you start with a Conservative Third Party, and a Conservative Party Platform, the possibility of nominating a Conservative increases phenomenally.

In looking at the Constitution Party,  even allowing for my Originalist bias, there really isn't anything there I wouldn't vote for, and few enough oxen to get gored that most people who want less government would find deal-breakers there.
I challenge you to examine the Constitution Party platform, posted on this site, and comment.

The next part is building support for that party, and keeping the Uniparty from sweeping it off to the side.
While the novelty of a serious candidate from a third party may be able to get some free media, people need to line up behind principles and policies they can support, and build that support from the bottom up, not just the Party, but to run candidates at the local and State and Federal Level.

It will take years to build that, but putting it off isn't getting the job done, and only entrenches the Uniparty a little more. The opportunity is perishable. We have already entered an era where so few laymen (as opposed to attorneys and die-hard politicians) know or understand the Constitution, that those who will read fragments taken out of context will not recognize them. For instance even folks here did not know SCOTUS justices can be impeached (for the same reasons a POTUS or VPOTUS can be, and with the same votes from the same legislative bodies).

What will take the longest, and maybe can't be done without the Party is the reeducation (I hate that word) of the American people as to just how their government is supposed to function, what the Federal Government is --and isn't-- supposed to do, and what Rights, Powers, and Duties the States are supposed to have--all of which was designed to ultimately protect the Liberty of the People.

Repealing the 17th Amendment would help, too.

I believe that if people knew the extent to which the Federal Government had overstepped its legitimate powers, they would want to wind it back a few notches.

As for being enough people, I think there are.

I think a lot of otherwise conservative people heard rash talk that resonated with their anger, an anger born of knowing that the Federal Government is way, way, out of bounds. Consider that on the issues, Cruz and Trump were not so far apart.

I had considered Trump as a second choice--right up until I discovered he was an opportunist, not a genuine Conservative, and saw that reflected again and again in the way he campaigned, not on issues but with personal attacks. Cruz had advocated a wall, a physically secured border back in 2011, Cruz was for restricting the flow of immigrants from terrorist nations and hot spots and vetting them before letting them in. He was for smaller government, a return to Constitutional principles, pro-life, pro- fiscal responsibility, etc...
The differentiating point was created in a vitriolic smear campaign run by his opponent, and those who saw through those smears and did not accept half-truths and untruths at face value but vetted those with primary data widely available did not and do not support the opponent who was the source.

Many of the FRefugees here, many of whom left in disgust, tried to point those departures from truth out and even provided the links to video, transcripts, and factual accounts otherwise, but neither data, facts, nor logic prevailed against those emotions which were whipped to a fever pitch in the Trump camp--not so much for Trump, although that was considerable, as against Cruz, who was close to Trump in the polls, close enough to be a clear threat to Trump's candidacy.

I would submit that while effective, those emotional outbursts are one of the poorest bases to select a candidate on. Still, the significant plurality who decided to accept them generally would not accept (as part of that emotional attachment) that their candidate had any flaws, and in true form decided it was necessary to kill the messenger, and double down rather than look at reality.

I, for one, feel like the best friend who got punched in the mouth for quietly pointing out to the Groom to be that his intended used to be a stripper two towns over. He'll find out eventually, and I won't be Best Man at the wedding. So it goes. Been there, done that, and eventually we'll be friends again--or not, that is up to him. I won't be at the reception party, but I'll still buy him a drink after the divorce.

So, I think it will be with conservatives, or at least the portion of the Republican Party which would vote for a Conservative. But the fact remains, that those who are running the Party (not the average schmuck) have decided they want safeguards against such a revolt again, and quietly put them in place during the Convention. They want to maintain their gravy train and while "Conservatism" and "The Constitution" are great are great buzzwords to wave around,  they are concepts toxic to their enterprise in practice. Short of overthrowing that well entrenched good ol' boy network, no meaningful change will come--at least not for the better.

The remaining viable option, as difficult as that may seem, is a Third Party. It will take time. It will take work, and we're burning daylight.

It is how the Republican Party came into existence, and it is how it will fade away.

Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 26, 2016, 09:53:31 pm
@Smokin Joe

Joe,what could possibly go wrong with giving a narcissistic sociopath the nuclear launch codes?
HA! I'm in western North Dakota! I have a ringside seat for WWIII!
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 26, 2016, 09:57:10 pm
You have got to stop with the lie that Cruz or his "people" had anything to do with any photo of the Donald's third wife.  Second, at the time the photo was taken it was with the approval of both of them, the Donald because he wanted to show off his hot new girlfriend, like a trophy, and Melania because she liked being shown off.  If they didn't have a problem with it then, they shouldn't have a problem with it now.

The image was on the COVER of GQ, seen here:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3201088/Melania-Trump-Lady-pose-NUDE-talk-incredible-sex-life-Donald-Howard-Stern-rival-Jackie-Kennedy-elegance-style-quiet-strength.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3201088/Melania-Trump-Lady-pose-NUDE-talk-incredible-sex-life-Donald-Howard-Stern-rival-Jackie-Kennedy-elegance-style-quiet-strength.html)

I'd suggest if it was so offensive, it would not have existed in the first place, much less been on the cover.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: JustPassinThru on July 26, 2016, 10:04:33 pm
Melania was used in a political attack ad by Cruz people first, implying something tawdry about her, and Trump always counterpunches. Think of it as he was defending his wife's honor. Seems politicians are allowed that, aren't they?

It was an independent PAC.

And it wasn't an attack.  It was a reprint of cheesecake photos she was PAID to pose for, in a NATIONAL MAGAZINE.

If you don't want to be seen naked, or in lingerie, then don't have photos published in magazines that run such stuff.

And if you do, and a few years later someone digs it up...it's not an attack.  It's your own poor judgment coming back at you.

MORE proof that Donnie Lord Trumpy has a head packed with Shinola...
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 26, 2016, 10:09:06 pm
Quote
He rewrote the rules on how it's done and won.
Rule rewrites aren't conducted in the middle of the match. He broke the accepted rules. Period. What candidate ever has attacked another candidate's wife like Trump went after Heidi?
Especially considering the 'retaliation' was against people who had not put out the ad.
Ready! Fire! Aim!
Isn't that why someone would bother to put themselves, their families and friends in a contest like this? To win?

Normally, wives and kids aren't fair game, and especially not like that:
The 'My wife is prettier than your wife' bit (Dunno, what's yours look like without make-up?)
The 'She's a mastermind of the global banking cartel' bit (Why isn't she richer than you are Donny?)
The 'She practically wrote NAFTA all by herself, runs the CFR and designed the Amero schtik. (Oh, really? NOT!)
The 'Here's a picture of her having a bad day sitting on the side of the road' pic, 'right next to traffic!' (Ever eat at a sidewalk cafe? walk on a sidewalk? You're likely closer.)

And all because a PAC not affiliated with Cruz posted a COVER image from GQ magazine? Seen as part of this article:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3201088/Melania-Trump-Lady-pose-NUDE-talk-incredible-sex-life-Donald-Howard-Stern-rival-Jackie-Kennedy-elegance-style-quiet-strength.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3201088/Melania-Trump-Lady-pose-NUDE-talk-incredible-sex-life-Donald-Howard-Stern-rival-Jackie-Kennedy-elegance-style-quiet-strength.html)


What region devastating war awaits us while (and even after) people figure out the country we are retaliating against is NOT the one who attacked us?  Because he went after the wrong guy, and then lied about it to 'justify' having attacked Heidi Cruz.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 26, 2016, 10:12:51 pm
Well they weren't Trump people. They were acting on Ted Cruz behalf to help him win among Mormons in Utah. Those were the type of people who were supporting Ted Cruz, moralistic.

So what if the assignments of a successful high fashion model include partial nudity. Have you looked at where the culture is today? I'm sure you look at television and notice fashion magazines and listen to music. We are living in the 21st-century, in case some have failed to notice.
Either it's a 'So what?" no biggie, in which case there was no need to retaliate against anyone. Just another 'nothingburger'.

Actions speak louder than words, and the ensuing attacks were against the wrong people.
But if it was a 'nothingburger', why attack?
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 26, 2016, 10:14:42 pm
@Smokin Joe

Joe,I may very well be 100 percent off on this one,but I SUSPECT that economic conditions will soon settle to the point where it will be safe for the bankers behind all the off-shore moves and bankruptcy of American manufacturing to suddenly change all the laws they originally had passed to force manufacturing off-shore,and they will bring it back now that they have no competition here and a compliant congress and WH to protect their investments.

Suddenly we will hear cries of "BUY AMERICAN!" again from the ruling class,and all will be well in Gotham.
You may be on to something, there, Pete, but all will never be well in Gotham. It's just how they roll there.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: sneakypete on July 26, 2016, 11:19:16 pm
HA! I'm in western North Dakota! I have a ringside seat for WWIII!

I thought they had shut down the silos out there?

I bought my 39 IHC pickup from a man in Minot.

@Smokin Joe
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: sneakypete on July 26, 2016, 11:24:11 pm
You may be on to something, there, Pete, but all will never be well in Gotham. It's just how they roll there.

@Smokin Joe

Joe,as with everything else,it all depends on your perspective,and this case that will depend on which side of the line you live on.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: DB on July 26, 2016, 11:30:21 pm
Rule rewrites aren't conducted in the middle of the match. He broke the accepted rules. Period. What candidate ever has attacked another candidate's wife like Trump went after Heidi?
Especially considering the 'retaliation' was against people who had not put out the ad.
Ready! Fire! Aim!
Normally, wives and kids aren't fair game, and especially not like that:
The 'My wife is prettier than your wife' bit (Dunno, what's yours look like without make-up?)
The 'She's a mastermind of the global banking cartel' bit (Why isn't she richer than you are Donny?)
The 'She practically wrote NAFTA all by herself, runs the CFR and designed the Amero schtik. (Oh, really? NOT!)
The 'Here's a picture of her having a bad day sitting on the side of the road' pic, 'right next to traffic!' (Ever eat at a sidewalk cafe? walk on a sidewalk? You're likely closer.)

And all because a PAC not affiliated with Cruz posted a COVER image from GQ magazine? Seen as part of this article:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3201088/Melania-Trump-Lady-pose-NUDE-talk-incredible-sex-life-Donald-Howard-Stern-rival-Jackie-Kennedy-elegance-style-quiet-strength.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3201088/Melania-Trump-Lady-pose-NUDE-talk-incredible-sex-life-Donald-Howard-Stern-rival-Jackie-Kennedy-elegance-style-quiet-strength.html)


What region devastating war awaits us while (and even after) people figure out the country we are retaliating against is NOT the one who attacked us?  Because he went after the wrong guy, and then lied about it to 'justify' having attacked Heidi Cruz.

It wasn't about being prettier per se. It was all about his trophy and how much more of a winner he is verses Cruz because he has no such trophy in his view. Never mind actual commitment, love and honor - it's about nothing more than winners and losers in Trump's mind. It is just another shiny gold plated object for him to flaunt to show why he is the "greatest".
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 26, 2016, 11:30:45 pm
I thought they had shut down the silos out there?

I bought my 39 IHC pickup from a man in Minot.

@Smokin Joe
No, that was on the east side. They moved those to Malmstrom. MAFB is closer and we'd be able to see the birds go up...

I have a '41 K model, myself....
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 26, 2016, 11:31:47 pm
@Smokin Joe

Joe,as with everything else,it all depends on your perspective,and this case that will depend on which side of the line you live on.
Somewhere west or south is a good start...
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: sneakypete on July 26, 2016, 11:48:09 pm
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No, that was on the east side. They moved those to Malmstrom. MAFB is closer and we'd be able to see the birds go up...

I have a '41 K model, myself....

@Smokin Joe

Cool! Mine is an original unrestored (other than the brakes,and other essential mechanical items) D-2. Love the art deco styling,and most people are shocked to find out I can cruise along down the road at 60 mph in it with the original flathead 6 engine in it. The crank out windshield is what seems to attract the most attention,though.

A word of warning to any potential IHC restorers out there,though. I have or have had Fords,Dodges,Plymouths,and even a off-brand antique Chevrolet,and the IHC parts are harder to find and MUCH more expensive. I'm lucky that mine wasn't missing anything so I didn't have to do much searching for the really hard parts to find,but even the stuff you can't avoid rebuilding like the brakes,wheel bearings,grease seals,water pump,and carb are insanely expensive compared to Ford,Mopar,or GM stuff. Not driving it right now because I just had the head milled 125 thousands to clear up the warp so it would quit leaking oil down the side of the block,and the damn radiator took a dump. Going to cost me more than 500 bucks for a new one and right now I am spending most of my money on my 51 Ford coupe. Hope to get the radiator replaced and start putting new glasses and rubber in the cab this winter. It had glasses when I left Minot,but by the time I got home the door glasses were in tiny pieces down at the bottom. Those old cracked glasses didn't have a chance with the truck bouncing around on my 5 ton equipment trailer.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Bigun on July 26, 2016, 11:54:31 pm
@Smokin Joe

Cool! Mine is an original unrestored (other than the brakes,and other essential mechanical items) D-2. Love the art deco styling,and most people are shocked to find out I can cruise along down the road at 60 mph in it with the original flathead 6 engine in it. The crank out windshield is what seems to attract the most attention,though.

A word of warning to any potential IHC restorers out there,though. I have or have had Fords,Dodges,Plymouths,and even a off-brand antique Chevrolet,and the IHC parts are harder to find and MUCH more expensive. I'm lucky that mine wasn't missing anything so I didn't have to do much searching for the really hard parts to find,but even the stuff you can't avoid rebuilding like the brakes,wheel bearings,grease seals,water pump,and carb are insanely expensive compared to Ford,Mopar,or GM stuff. Not driving it right now because I just had the head milled 125 thousands to clear up the warp so it would quit leaking oil down the side of the block,and the damn radiator took a dump. Going to cost me more than 500 bucks for a new one and right now I am spending most of my money on my 51 Ford coupe. Hope to get the radiator replaced and start putting new glasses and rubber in the cab this winter. It had glasses when I left Minot,but by the time I got home the door glasses were in tiny pieces down at the bottom. Those old cracked glasses didn't have a chance with the truck bouncing around on my 5 ton equipment trailer.

Why not just have the radiator recored?  There are still shops around here that do that.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: sneakypete on July 27, 2016, 12:18:13 am
Why not just have the radiator recored?  There are still shops around here that do that.

@=Bigun
That's what I am going to do. These big 4 core copper radiator cores ain't cheap. I could get a whole new aluminum radiator and adapt it,but the truck is unmodified and going to stay that way as long as I have it.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 27, 2016, 12:24:07 am
@Smokin Joe

Cool! Mine is an original unrestored (other than the brakes,and other essential mechanical items) D-2. Love the art deco styling,and most people are shocked to find out I can cruise along down the road at 60 mph in it with the original flathead 6 engine in it. The crank out windshield is what seems to attract the most attention,though.

A word of warning to any potential IHC restorers out there,though. I have or have had Fords,Dodges,Plymouths,and even a off-brand antique Chevrolet,and the IHC parts are harder to find and MUCH more expensive. I'm lucky that mine wasn't missing anything so I didn't have to do much searching for the really hard parts to find,but even the stuff you can't avoid rebuilding like the brakes,wheel bearings,grease seals,water pump,and carb are insanely expensive compared to Ford,Mopar,or GM stuff. Not driving it right now because I just had the head milled 125 thousands to clear up the warp so it would quit leaking oil down the side of the block,and the damn radiator took a dump. Going to cost me more than 500 bucks for a new one and right now I am spending most of my money on my 51 Ford coupe. Hope to get the radiator replaced and start putting new glasses and rubber in the cab this winter. It had glasses when I left Minot,but by the time I got home the door glasses were in tiny pieces down at the bottom. Those old cracked glasses didn't have a chance with the truck bouncing around on my 5 ton equipment trailer.
I still have the old green diamond six in mine. Also unrestored (K2). I also have electric start, (when it works LOL), otherwise, the hand crank is behind the seat. I need to replace the right rear tire (and tube), and re-do the brakes before I consider going for a drive, though, and I have removed the fuel tank to get it boiled out and kremed. I'll need a new float on the fuel sensor, too, and a new 6 volt battery. It's a labor of love...
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: sneakypete on July 27, 2016, 12:43:09 am
I still have the old green diamond six in mine. (K2) I also have electric start, when it works (LOL), otherwise, the hand crank is behind the seat. I need to replace the right rear tire (and tube), and re-do the brakes before I consider going for a drive, though, and I have removed the fuel tank to get it boiled out and kremed. I'll need a new float on the fuel sensor, too, and a new 6 volt battery. It's a labor of love...

Do yourself a favor and start looking around for one of those old seriously substantial drum pullers with the "fingers" that bolt to the lugs, and the center piece you smack a BUNCH with a BFH. The rear hubs on these things slide up on tapered axles with keyways,and there must have been sfome sort of law back in the 30's and 40's against putting grease on the axle stub or the drum where the key goes. After 30 to 50 years of getting hot,cooling down,and growing to the axle,pulling the rear drums is a nightmare. Basically,they use the same drums and puller as the 30's and 40's Mopars.

Best way to deal with pulling them is to smack the hell out of the arm and put tension on the big screw that runs through it. Then let it sit for a while before going back out to it and smacking the brake drum moderately with the BFH all around the outer circumference to let the vibrations help release the death grip the drum has on the axle. Smack the arm to tightern the center screw again,smack the brake drum a few more times,and go off and leave it sit for a while before repeating.  Make sure you don't put enough screw tension on the axle end that you mushroom it. You usually don't get them off the same day you start,but with patience they will pop off eventually. Sometimes you can hear them when they let go even if you are not standing real close.

Also,do yourself a serious favor and replace ALL the hard brake lines with the new copper-nickel brake lines you can bend with your hand and not kink them. They will never rust either inside or out,so you eliminate a problem when you do this. Also replace the rubber brake lines and make sure your emergency brake is adjusted property while you have the drums off. The adjusters can be rusty inside on the old trucks,and it's easier to take them apart,clean the threads and lightly lube them before putting the drums back on. IF you are very lucky,no previous owner has cut the emergency brake cables during a earlier brake job. Remember,you only have a single outlet master cylinder,so if one brake line goes out you lose all your brakes if your ebrake doesn't work.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Bigun on July 27, 2016, 12:44:12 am
@=Bigun
That's what I am going to do. These big 4 core copper radiator cores ain't cheap. I could get a whole new aluminum radiator and adapt it,but the truck is unmodified and going to stay that way as long as I have it.

Kool!  :beer:
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: kartographer on July 27, 2016, 01:45:22 am
Melania was used in a political attack ad by Cruz people first, implying something tawdry about her, and Trump always counterpunches. Think of it as he was defending his wife's honor. Seems politicians are allowed that, aren't they?

Yet Trumpers spoke unspeakable things about Cruz's wife and continue to with glee and any man who is worth his salt would never support a man who spoke about and who's followers spoke about their wife so with such gleefully  malignance and they now cry because Cruz wouldn't support Trump what a bunch of two face hypocrites!
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: kartographer on July 27, 2016, 01:47:47 am
Melania was used in a political attack ad by Cruz people first, implying something tawdry about her, and Trump always counterpunches. Think of it as he was defending his wife's honor. Seems politicians are allowed that, aren't they?
And by the way Melania is tawdry, but lucky for her she isn't in the same class of tawdry as the rest of the Trump clan!
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Cripplecreek on July 27, 2016, 01:53:02 am
Yet Trumpers spoke unspeakable things about Cruz's wife and continue to with glee and any man who is worth his salt would never support a man who spoke about and who's followers spoke about their wife so with such gleefully  malignance and they now cry because Cruz wouldn't support Trump what a bunch of two face hypocrites!

They blame Cruz for running pics of Melania but Liz Mair openly admitted that she is the one who ran them as part of an anti Trump superpac ad. Mair supported Rubio.
Trumpers continue to lie about it but I guess they have to at this point.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: JustPassinThru on July 27, 2016, 02:56:55 am
It wasn't about being prettier per se. It was all about his trophy and how much more of a winner he is verses Cruz because he has no such trophy in his view. Never mind actual commitment, love and honor - it's about nothing more than winners and losers in Trump's mind. It is just another shiny gold plated object for him to flaunt to show why he is the "greatest".

It will be hard for him in the end, because he obviously doesn't understand the Conservative tenet of principle-based voting.  He will lose, most likely; and lose messily...because the Bern-ers he's courting, as Mister Popularity, are voting the FSA and Better Living Through Marxism...and will have none of him; none of the R side; not when an Alinsky disciple is his opponent.

He loses.  He'll shrug and go back to his whore's-bedoir apartment with the gold-plated potty.

And then he'll learn:  BILLARY is vindictive and ready to take out HER enemies, too.  Little Lord Donnie seems to have forgotten, or never believed, the Clinton Body Count.   I don't think she'll waste withdrawls from the Favor Bank rubbing out a seventy-year-old Tammany bagman; but I do think she'll make his last years a living hell.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 27, 2016, 04:30:16 am
Do yourself a favor and start looking around for one of those old seriously substantial drum pullers with the "fingers" that bolt to the lugs, and the center piece you smack a BUNCH with a BFH. The rear hubs on these things slide up on tapered axles with keyways,and there must have been sfome sort of law back in the 30's and 40's against putting grease on the axle stub or the drum where the key goes. After 30 to 50 years of getting hot,cooling down,and growing to the axle,pulling the rear drums is a nightmare. Basically,they use the same drums and puller as the 30's and 40's Mopars.

Best way to deal with pulling them is to smack the hell out of the arm and put tension on the big screw that runs through it. Then let it sit for a while before going back out to it and smacking the brake drum moderately with the BFH all around the outer circumference to let the vibrations help release the death grip the drum has on the axle. Smack the arm to tightern the center screw again,smack the brake drum a few more times,and go off and leave it sit for a while before repeating.  Make sure you don't put enough screw tension on the axle end that you mushroom it. You usually don't get them off the same day you start,but with patience they will pop off eventually. Sometimes you can hear them when they let go even if you are not standing real close.

Also,do yourself a serious favor and replace ALL the hard brake lines with the new copper-nickel brake lines you can bend with your hand and not kink them. They will never rust either inside or out,so you eliminate a problem when you do this. Also replace the rubber brake lines and make sure your emergency brake is adjusted property while you have the drums off. The adjusters can be rusty inside on the old trucks,and it's easier to take them apart,clean the threads and lightly lube them before putting the drums back on. IF you are very lucky,no previous owner has cut the emergency brake cables during a earlier brake job. Remember,you only have a single outlet master cylinder,so if one brake line goes out you lose all your brakes if your ebrake doesn't work.
Thanks for the advice. The e-brake works, but the others don't! I found that out when I trailered it in (I had it running but the fuel tank was full of crap, so we just ran it with a small gas can gravity feeding into the carb (farm boy stunt!). I have a long way to go. Still hunting parts, and I got started a little a few years back and now have to find a couple of the bits I took off and put away for safe keeping (I should know better, I may not see them again --until I find replacements!).
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 27, 2016, 04:33:18 am
They blame Cruz for running pics of Melania but Liz Mair openly admitted that she is the one who ran them as part of an anti Trump superpac ad. Mair supported Rubio.
Trumpers continue to lie about it but I guess they have to at this point.
Sure they do.

Otherwise they have to admit Trump went nuclear at the wrong person.

OOPS.

That sort of rash, temper tantrum judgement error is not something that plays well when one considers he is in the running to have the nuclear football with arm's reach, so there is no way they want to admit they screwed up and attacked the wrong people.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Hoodat on July 27, 2016, 04:48:49 am
Trumpers continue to lie about it but I guess they have to at this point.

Trumpers continue to lie about a lot of things.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 27, 2016, 04:54:35 am
Trumpers continue to lie about a lot of things.
SLDD... :thud:
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: JustPassinThru on July 27, 2016, 04:59:23 am
SLDD... :thud:

Being a trumpbot means never having to say you're sorry... :facepalm2:
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: txradioguy on July 27, 2016, 07:55:54 am
One more time for the Drones:

Quote
Ever since his humiliation rejection by Utah voters, rejection that was Biblical in its magnitude, Donald Trump has been mewling about a FACEBOOK!! ad run by a tiny, tiny super PAC called Make America Awesome that cost in the mid-three figures to run. The ad advocated voting for Cruz for the sole reason that it would keep Trump from getting any delegates. The two main people behind the Super PAC, Rick Wilson and Liz Mair are not Ted Cruz fans. Quite the opposite. For instance:


Rick Wilson

@TheRickWilson

Dear media outlets in possession of The Thing; I know you're scared about legal. Have an intern post it on YouTube and then "discover" it.
11:15 PM - 11 Mar 2016


Trump had the images of Melania Knauss shot specifically to ad buzz to his stillborn presidential campaign. And now that the images have been used in a real campaign he's complaining. Pro Tip Donald: if you want people to take your defense of your wife seriously, and not laugh in your face, then treat her with a little respect and don't pay her to pose mostly nude to sexually stimulate random men.

http://www.redstate.com/streiff/2016/03/28/gq-mostly-naked-photo-donald-trumps-wife-pimp-failed-presidential-bid/
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: EC on July 27, 2016, 09:18:06 am
Well they weren't Trump people. They were acting on Ted Cruz behalf to help him win among Mormons in Utah. Those were the type of people who were supporting Ted Cruz, moralistic.

So by that logic ...

White supremacists were acting on Trump's behalf to win in some states. Therefore Trump is a white supremacist and any attacks on him for that are legitimate.

 :shrug:
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: wolfcreek on July 27, 2016, 12:32:13 pm
No, I say we milk for all its worth. It's been very enlightening into the actions and rationale of Trump and his supporters.

Ditto for the Left leaning faction. It's still irrelevant.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: wolfcreek on July 27, 2016, 12:44:48 pm
Rule rewrites aren't conducted in the middle of the match. He broke the accepted rules. Period. What candidate ever has attacked another candidate's wife like Trump went after Heidi?
Especially considering the 'retaliation' was against people who had not put out the ad.
Ready! Fire! Aim!
Normally, wives and kids aren't fair game, and especially not like that:
The 'My wife is prettier than your wife' bit (Dunno, what's yours look like without make-up?)
The 'She's a mastermind of the global banking cartel' bit (Why isn't she richer than you are Donny?)
The 'She practically wrote NAFTA all by herself, runs the CFR and designed the Amero schtik. (Oh, really? NOT!)
The 'Here's a picture of her having a bad day sitting on the side of the road' pic, 'right next to traffic!' (Ever eat at a sidewalk cafe? walk on a sidewalk? You're likely closer.)

And all because a PAC not affiliated with Cruz posted a COVER image from GQ magazine? Seen as part of this article:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3201088/Melania-Trump-Lady-pose-NUDE-talk-incredible-sex-life-Donald-Howard-Stern-rival-Jackie-Kennedy-elegance-style-quiet-strength.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3201088/Melania-Trump-Lady-pose-NUDE-talk-incredible-sex-life-Donald-Howard-Stern-rival-Jackie-Kennedy-elegance-style-quiet-strength.html)


What region devastating war awaits us while (and even after) people figure out the country we are retaliating against is NOT the one who attacked us?  Because he went after the wrong guy, and then lied about it to 'justify' having attacked Heidi Cruz.

It's neither here nor there...now is it?
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: wolfcreek on July 27, 2016, 12:49:03 pm
Being a trumpbot means never having to say you're sorry... :facepalm2:

I'll vote for Cruz [for a third time] if he runs for the Senate again.

No sorrys needed.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Just_Victor on July 27, 2016, 12:56:08 pm
I'll vote for Cruz [for a third time] if he runs for the Senate again.

No sorrys needed.

Glad you're not buying Trump's libelous smear (well, libelous in any venue outside of politics) of Lyin' Ted.   :beer:
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: HoustonSam on July 27, 2016, 12:59:08 pm
It's neither here nor there...now is it?

It's entirely relevant that Trump's standard MO is to lash out in infantile rage anytime he feels "dissed".  His brand, as stated by his own wife and re-iterated by people on this site, is that "he fights back ten times harder."

There are times when this country needs that in a leader.  But there are many more times when a leader recognizes that he needs to dial it back.  Trump has demonstrated no ability to recognize those times, or respond to them appropriately.  He's a megalomaniacal lunatic who cares first for his own ego.  He's one of the last people who should have command of the US military and the country's nuclear arsenal.

His reaction toward Heidi Cruz clearly demonstrates that trait.  It's irrelevant now for selecting a Republican nominee, but it remains highly relevant in selecting a president.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Cripplecreek on July 27, 2016, 12:59:59 pm
Glad you're not buying Trump's libelous smear (well, libelous in any venue outside of politics) of Lyin' Ted.   :beer:

"Lyin Ted" was a simple slogan for simple people.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Kinsman Redeemer on July 27, 2016, 01:08:21 pm
"Lyin Ted" was a simple slogan for simple people.

The IRONY of the label is that IT was the lie.

I'm with Cruz.  I will vote for Trump (clothes pin on my nose) - unless he gets completely bizarre.  Right now, Trump is mostly bizarre.

e.g. It was bizarre for Trump to attack Cruz the day after his nomination.

Trump is a lying narcissist. 

I will vote for him for one reason: I'll be considering it a vote for 2-3 SCOTUS Judges.  Only that.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: geronl on July 27, 2016, 01:16:05 pm

I will vote for him for one reason: I'll be considering it a vote for 2-3 SCOTUS Judges.  Only that.

Then you are still deceiving yourself that he would want to appoint anything like a conservative. He won't.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: aligncare on July 27, 2016, 01:18:00 pm
Donald Trump is good at branding. That's how he has extended his reach in business, through branding.

The only reason that a brand or label sticks is if there is some truth to it. For example, 'low-energy' Jeb worked because it was true; crooked Hillery works because it's true.

If someone is skinny but you call him fatso, they just shrug, while others look at you like your nuts. It doesn't stick.

Lyin' Ted...well, that stuck.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Kinsman Redeemer on July 27, 2016, 01:18:14 pm
Then you are still deceiving yourself that he would want to appoint anything like a conservative. He won't.

Of course, you could be right but I KNOW what sort of judge Hellary would nominate.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: don-o on July 27, 2016, 01:42:21 pm
(http://i414.photobucket.com/albums/pp221/drw509/carpet.jpg)

As of 7/27/16. Ted Cruz maintains occupancy in Trump's head.

And I suppose "bombing the hell....'' (Trumpese) is something other than carpet bombing?
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: skeeter on July 27, 2016, 01:44:48 pm
"Lyin Ted" was a simple slogan for simple people.

They weren't real deep thinkers were they.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on July 27, 2016, 01:44:56 pm
And I suppose "bombing the hell....'' (Trumpese) is something other than carpet bombing?

Well...yeah.  It is.  I liked Ted much better than Trump, but that was a poor choice of words on his part.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: don-o on July 27, 2016, 01:53:44 pm
Well...yeah.  It is.  I liked Ted much better than Trump, but that was a poor choice of words on his part.

Which words are poor?
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: EC on July 27, 2016, 01:55:43 pm
(http://i414.photobucket.com/albums/pp221/drw509/carpet.jpg)

As of 7/27/16. Ted Cruz maintains occupancy in Trump's head.

And I suppose "bombing the hell....'' (Trumpese) is something other than carpet bombing?

Trump think carpet bombing can only be carried out by Persians.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Cripplecreek on July 27, 2016, 02:19:41 pm
Well...yeah.  It is.  I liked Ted much better than Trump, but that was a poor choice of words on his part.

Cruz was right. Carpet bombing ISIS convoys would be effective but it was far from being the entire Cruz plan.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: sneakypete on July 27, 2016, 02:29:32 pm
Trumpers continue to lie about a lot of things.

@Hoodat

They HAVE to lie,and the biggest lies are ones they tell themselves so they can look at themselves in the mirror without flinching.

Just read a comment on another political board where the poster said "Watching the rabid Hillary supporters and the rabid Trump supporters arguing with each other about who is the best candidate is like listening to people argue about which is the most cuddly,alligators or crocodiles."

I think that pretty much covers it.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: libertybele on July 27, 2016, 02:33:33 pm
Donald Trump is good at branding. That's how he has extended his reach in business, through branding.

The only reason that a brand or label sticks is if there is some truth to it. For example, 'low-energy' Jeb worked because it was true; crooked Hillery works because it's true.

If someone is skinny but you call him fatso, they just shrug, while others look at you like your nuts. It doesn't stick.

Lyin' Ted...well, that stuck.

Donald Trump is good at lying, deceiving and massive corruption!

#NeverTrump
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: sneakypete on July 27, 2016, 02:56:26 pm
Donald Trump is good at lying, deceiving and massive corruption!

#NeverTrump

@libertybele

Of course he is. He is a sociopath,and doesn't have a conscience to get in his way. EVERYTHING he does is wonderful BECAUSE it was he that did it.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on July 27, 2016, 02:56:58 pm
Cruz was right. Carpet bombing ISIS convoys would be effective....

Except that's not what he said.  Here's the exact quote when he first made the statement on December 5, 2015:

"We will carpet bomb them into oblivion. I don’t know if sand can glow in the dark, but we’re going to find out,"

No mention of targeting convoys, etc..  He subsequently issued statements walking that back, but that just confirms that the initial statement was a poor choice of words.  "Carpet bombing" has a very specific connotation, and that does not include targeting convoys.  In fact, the only think you target in "carpet bombing" is a piece of ground.  It is really the opposite of targeting, which is exactly why he got flak (pun intended) for his statement.  It's why people without military experience should be careful about using euphemisms, because they may very well have a meaning of which the person is unaware.

I think it was blown out of proportion, and I don't think he ever actually meant to endorse carpet bombing.  But that's exactly why it was a poor choice of words on his part.



Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Henry Noel on July 27, 2016, 03:18:49 pm
@Hoodat

They HAVE to lie,and the biggest lies are ones they tell themselves so they can look at themselves in the mirror without flinching.

How else are they going to vote against their consciences?
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on July 27, 2016, 03:26:32 pm
Which words are poor?

"Carpet bomb".
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: libertybele on July 27, 2016, 03:31:18 pm
@libertybele

Of course he is. He is a sociopath,and doesn't have a conscience to get in his way. EVERYTHING he does is wonderful BECAUSE it was he that did it.

I am still hoping that he finds reason to drop out of the race.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: skeeter on July 27, 2016, 03:34:12 pm
Except that's not what he said.  Here's the exact quote when he first made the statement on December 5, 2015:

"We will carpet bomb them into oblivion. I don’t know if sand can glow in the dark, but we’re going to find out,"

No mention of targeting convoys, etc..  He subsequently issued statements walking that back, but that just confirms that the initial statement was a poor choice of words.  "Carpet bombing" has a very specific connotation, and that does not include targeting convoys.  In fact, the only think you target in "carpet bombing" is a piece of ground.  It is really the opposite of targeting, which is exactly why he got flak (pun intended) for his statement.  It's why people without military experience should be careful about using euphemisms, because they may very well have a meaning of which the person is unaware.

I think it was blown out of proportion, and I don't think he ever actually meant to endorse carpet bombing.  But that's exactly why it was a poor choice of words on his part.

Maybe he expected the phrase "I don't know if sand can glow" would tip people off that he wasn't talking about bombing population centers, but I did wince when he used the phrase as well.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: beandog on July 27, 2016, 03:36:19 pm
Donald Trump is good at branding. That's how he has extended his reach in business, through branding.

The only reason that a brand or label sticks is if there is some truth to it. For example, 'low-energy' Jeb worked because it was true; crooked Hillery works because it's true.

If someone is skinny but you call him fatso, they just shrug, while others look at you like your nuts. It doesn't stick.

Lyin' Ted...well, that stuck.
That's simply not true.  It's more about a lie being repeated often enough soon becomes the truth among the uninformed.  That and certain people wanting to believe something is true because it makes them feel better about their own bad choices.  Unless, of course, you actually believe that Hillary is the smartest woman in the world or that the Donald is a racist and a sexist, both labels which stick to them.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Cripplecreek on July 27, 2016, 03:43:08 pm
I'm cool with carpet bombing. It would probably be considerably more effective than this was which was more smaller cluster bombs and precision munitions. As bad as it looks, it really didn't kill the numbers of personnel we once believed it killed. If you look closely a lot of the vehicles are largely untouched with doors hanging open from drivers getting out and fleeing.

(http://i.imgur.com/EA1maGe.jpg)

Good old fashioned old school carpet bombing would kill a lot more personnel which is really how you have to fight ISIS.

Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: geronl on July 27, 2016, 03:44:10 pm
Well...yeah.  It is.  I liked Ted much better than Trump, but that was a poor choice of words on his part.

AT least Ted Cruz wanted to bomb the enemy, not their innocent families.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: geronl on July 27, 2016, 03:45:29 pm
or that the Donald is a racist and a sexist, both labels which stick to them.

Trumps own words would prove he is sexist.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Cripplecreek on July 27, 2016, 03:45:52 pm
I am still hoping that he finds reason to drop out of the race.

Trump is simply amoral.

To Donald Trump, right and wrong are as simple as what he does or doesn't want at any given moment.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on July 27, 2016, 03:48:46 pm
I'm cool with carpet bombing. It would probably be considerably more effective than this was which was more smaller cluster bombs and precision munitions. As bad as it looks, it really didn't kill the numbers of personnel we once believed it killed. If you look closely a lot of the vehicles are largely untouched with doors hanging open from drivers getting out and fleeing.

(http://i.imgur.com/EA1maGe.jpg)

Good old fashioned old school carpet bombing would kill a lot more personnel which is really how you have to fight ISIS.

That wasn't carpet bombing.

I don't know why this is so difficult.  Anyone being remotely honest would acknowledge, "yeah, it was a poor choice of words, but he clarified it and it's been blown out of proportion."   That's fine, but instead, we get the arguing that it really wasn't a poor choice of words at all.

It was.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Cripplecreek on July 27, 2016, 03:51:47 pm

That wasn't carpet bombing.[/b]

I don't know why this is so difficult.  Anyone being remotely honest would acknowledge, "yeah, it was a poor choice of words, but he clarified it and it's been blown out of proportion."   That's fine, but instead, we get the arguing that it really wasn't a poor choice of words at all.

It was.

That might be why I made the point of saying it was smaller munitions.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: skeeter on July 27, 2016, 03:53:53 pm
Donald Trump is good at lying, deceiving and massive corruption!

#NeverTrump

So, Trump uses lies to brand an honest man a liar. 'Cause he's just so good at branding.

Ironic, isn't it.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Idaho_Cowboy on July 27, 2016, 03:53:53 pm
Trump is simply amoral.

To Donald Trump, right and wrong are as simple as what he does or doesn't want at any given moment.
Yep, Donald Trump has a mindset befitting a feudal lord from the middle ages. Who are we peasant to question him? Sad to see so many collaborateurs in the Republican party defending him and his way of living.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: geronl on July 27, 2016, 03:55:17 pm
(http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view6/2723797/carpet-bombing-o.gif)

Yo, ISIS...... look up!!
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: skeeter on July 27, 2016, 03:55:56 pm
That wasn't carpet bombing.

I don't know why this is so difficult.  Anyone being remotely honest would acknowledge, "yeah, it was a poor choice of words, but he clarified it and it's been blown out of proportion."   That's fine, but instead, we get the arguing that it really wasn't a poor choice of words at all.

It was.

Literal vs. historical interpretations.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: geronl on July 27, 2016, 03:58:11 pm
Carpet bombing sure beats prayer mat bombing

(http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Kitty_298889_479462.jpg)


I see a new smilie!  888high58888
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on July 27, 2016, 04:02:16 pm
Literal vs. historical interpretations.

But...the literal interpretation is the historical interpretation.  The best you can do is perhaps "literal/historical meaning v. colloquial meaning", but even that is a stretch.  "Carpet-bombing" has never had any meaning other than flattening specific geographic areas.  It is the exact opposite of targeting, and the exact opposite of using precision-guided munitions.  With modern capabilities, it's frankly a huge waste of sorties.

Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on July 27, 2016, 04:11:02 pm
That might be why I made the point of saying it was smaller munitions.

Okay, I see the point you were making there.  But targeting a specific vehicle convoy isn't carpet-bombing by definition.  Moreover, those bombs don't just magically get there.  To "carpet-bomb" an area takes an absolutely massive commitment of air assets, many of which are simply going to be firing ordnance into the dirt, injuring nobody.  And while all those assets are committed there, they can't be used elsewhere.  It's a waste of ammo.

Additionally, the fact that there are undamaged vehicles there isn't a negative.  After the bombing started and troops abandoned those vehicles to go into the desert or get away from the bombing, what possibly military benefit is there to continue to bomb thousands of abandoned vehicles?
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: beandog on July 27, 2016, 04:17:57 pm
Trumps own words would prove he is sexist.
I agree with you that tRump is  a sexist, in that unless you are an attractive woman he has know use for you.  I firmly believes he loves his daughter because she is attractive with know noticeable deficits.  If she was not attractive he would have no use for her.  The question I was really asking is that if labels stick because there is some truth to them, do tRump supporters believe there is at least some truth to the fact that he is a racists and sexist, and if they do believe it, how could they possibly support him.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on July 27, 2016, 04:47:34 pm
I agree with you that tRump is  a sexist, in that unless you are an attractive woman he has know use for you.  I firmly believes he loves his daughter because she is attractive with know noticeable deficits.  If she was not attractive he would have no use for her.  The question I was really asking is that if labels stick because there is some truth to them, do tRump supporters believe there is at least some truth to the fact that he is a racists and sexist, and if they do believe it, how could they possibly support him.

I'm not sure if he's a racist, though I do think he's a sexist.  But so is Hillary (more so, even), so that really doesn't enter the calculus for me.

I get your point.  I'm voting for Trump, but I absolutely cannot understand those who support him, but can't/won't admit that he's a turdball in many ways.  He is a very, very crappy consolation prize.  But honestly, in watching the DNC, that party has gone completely off the rails.  They have leapt on identity politics and collectivism to a degree that would have ashamed even many Democrats in 2008.  So, warts and all, I vote for him.

As a wart, he's ugly and hairy, but at least he's benign.  He can be cut out or removed at some point, 4 years max.  But those Dems over in Philly are malignant.  They have an organization, machine, committed doctrine, intensely loyal interest groups, and a good slice of the judiciary behind them.   They will grow, and spread if they aren't stopped.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 27, 2016, 05:14:02 pm
It's neither here nor there...now is it?
You didn't answer my question. Right at the top of that post, so you didn't have to ignore the whole thing to ignore it.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 27, 2016, 05:16:17 pm
Donald Trump is good at branding. That's how he has extended his reach in business, through branding.

The only reason that a brand or label sticks is if there is some truth to it. For example, 'low-energy' Jeb worked because it was true; crooked Hillery works because it's true.

If someone is skinny but you call him fatso, they just shrug, while others look at you like your nuts. It doesn't stick.

Lyin' Ted...well, that stuck.

Like you said, some truth: "Ted" was the true part.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 27, 2016, 05:19:15 pm
I am still hoping that he finds reason to drop out of the race.
He probably will--just about Halloween.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on July 27, 2016, 05:29:30 pm
Like you said, some truth: "Ted" was the true part.

Other than to true Trump supporters I don't think "Lyin' Ted" stuck except to the extent it was so outrageous that it was taken as a comment more on Trump than Cruz.  I thought it was unwarranted, and pretty sickening.  One of many bad Trump moments.

"Low-energy", on the other hand, resonated with anyone.  Still a rude, nasty thing to say, but aptly descriptive.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 27, 2016, 05:33:11 pm
That wasn't carpet bombing.

I don't know why this is so difficult.  Anyone being remotely honest would acknowledge, "yeah, it was a poor choice of words, but he clarified it and it's been blown out of proportion."   That's fine, but instead, we get the arguing that it really wasn't a poor choice of words at all.

It was.
IIRC, that column was cut off at choke points and worked over by A-10s and other aircraft.

Quote
The convoy was three miles long, and the US engaged all of its available aerial attack units to target it. However, bad weather and low visibility was hindering the attack.

First to reach the convoy were USMC A-6E Intruder jets with ammunition of Mark 20 Rockeye cluster bombs. They targeted the front and rear ends of the convoy to prevent it moving back or forwards and thus become a prime target for more attacks. The convoy became cut off.

Subsequently, the entire convoy was attacked by coalition aerial forces for around 10 hours. Any vehicle that diverted off of the highway was tracked, hunted and destroyed.
An A-10 Warthog aircraft pilot who took part in the attacks said that it was like a fireworks show with explosions all over the place.

Highway 8 was also being used by the Iraqi Republican Guard, which was trying to escape Kuwait from that route. US AH-64 Apache helicopters targeted the men and destroyed hundreds of military vehicles including tanks and personnel carriers.
Source:https://www.warhistoryonline.com/war-articles/the-kuwait-highway-of-death.html (https://www.warhistoryonline.com/war-articles/the-kuwait-highway-of-death.html)
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: GtHawk on July 27, 2016, 05:42:50 pm
Donald Trump is good at lying, deceiving and massive corruption!

#NeverTrump
Donald Trump is the Applewhite of this decade.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 27, 2016, 05:44:00 pm
Other than to true Trump supporters I don't think "Lyin' Ted" stuck except to the extent it was so outrageous that it was taken as a comment more on Trump than Cruz.  I thought it was unwarranted, and pretty sickening.  One of many bad Trump moments.

"Low-energy", on the other hand, resonated with anyone.  Still a rude, nasty thing to say, but aptly descriptive.
As a Cruz supporter, every time I saw the "lyin' Ted" crap, frankly, it pissed me off.
I knew where it came from, as Trump will give derogatory nicknames to anyone he considers an adversary:
"little Marco"
"Dopey Prince Al-Walid" (in a business deal)
"Crooked Hillary"

But that says something aobut someone who is running for President. What's next? "Poopy Putin"?
Hardly the sophistication or demeanor one would expect from Presidential material.
As for Cruz being "low Energy", I think there is a difference between being reserved in demeanor and 'low energy'. No one who is out campaigning, running a grueling schedule is (of necessity) 'low energy'. Having a composed and adult demeanor, someone who my grandmother would have felt had good enough manners to be in the parlor, so to speak, is not something I see as a negative. Proper decorum would be nice for a change, considering the current occupant of 1600 PA Ave slapped the Queen of England on the back.

Note, too, that Ronald Reagan spoke calmly, even when angry, and you will see what I mean. This is statecraft, not WWE. Jumping around like a poorly disciplined child may impress some, but it would not play well with heads of State elsewhere, and for all the 'energy' Trump displays, it is voiced as disjointed sentence fragments and incomplete thought trains instead of a directed and coherent mental process.

Beyond one liners, he frays, and I don't see that as a plus.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: skeeter on July 27, 2016, 05:49:42 pm
As a Cruz supporter, every time I saw the "lyin' Ted" crap, frankly, it pissed me off.
I knew where it came from, as Trump will give derogatory nicknames to anyone he considers an adversary:
"little Marco"
"Dopey Prince Al-Walid" (in a business deal)
"Crooked Hillary"

But that says something aobut someone who is running for President. What's next? "Poopy Putin"?
Hardly the sophistication or demeanor one would expect from Presidential material.
As for Cruz being "low Energy", I think there is a difference between being reserved in demeanor and 'low energy'. No one who is out campaigning, running a grueling schedule is (of necessity) 'low energy'. Having a composed and adult demeanor, someone who my grandmother would have felt had good enough manners to be in the parlor, so to speak, is not something I see as a negative. Proper decorum would be nice for a change, considering the current occupant of 1600 PA Ave slapped the Queen of England on the back.

Note, too, that Ronald Reagan spoke calmly, even when angry, and you will see what I mean. This is statecraft, not WWE. Jumping around like a poorly disciplined child may impress some, but it would not play well with heads of State elsewhere, and for all the 'energy' Trump displays, it is voiced as disjointed sentence fragments and incomplete thought trains instead of a directed and coherent mental process.

Beyond one liners, he frays, and I don't see that as a plus.

"Low energy" destroyed Bush. Not because Bush was actually low energy - you don't govern a state being low energy. He was just boring & wore glasses. The name resonated because of the image Bush projected.

The "Lyin Ted" meme was a Trump camp fabrication that only worked as an integral part of their strategy of attacking what in reality is Cruz's strength - his integrity.

Of course those who still think the insult is cute know its bogus & continue to troll using it. I guess that makes them dishonest.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: txradioguy on July 27, 2016, 05:50:37 pm
Other than to true Trump supporters I don't think "Lyin' Ted" stuck except to the extent it was so outrageous that it was taken as a comment more on Trump than Cruz.  I thought it was unwarranted, and pretty sickening.  One of many bad Trump moments.

"Low-energy", on the other hand, resonated with anyone.  Still a rude, nasty thing to say, but aptly descriptive.

It's stuck with Rush and Hannity...they both would use it...repeatedly.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: libertybele on July 27, 2016, 05:51:45 pm
I'm not sure if he's a racist, though I do think he's a sexist.  But so is Hillary (more so, even), so that really doesn't enter the calculus for me.

I get your point.  I'm voting for Trump, but I absolutely cannot understand those who support him, but can't/won't admit that he's a turdball in many ways.  He is a very, very crappy consolation prize.  But honestly, in watching the DNC, that party has gone completely off the rails.  They have leapt on identity politics and collectivism to a degree that would have ashamed even many Democrats in 2008.  So, warts and all, I vote for him.

As a wart, he's ugly and hairy, but at least he's benign.  He can be cut out or removed at some point, 4 years max.  But those Dems over in Philly are malignant.  They have an organization, machine, committed doctrine, intensely loyal interest groups, and a good slice of the judiciary behind them.   They will grow, and spread if they aren't stopped.

I believe Trump and Hillary have been produced from the same political machine and both the DNC and RNC have gone off the rails.  If those in power have been unable to remove Barry with a majority in both Houses do you think they'd be able to get rid of Trump or stop him?  If King Trump is crowned he's in there for the long haul; however long it takes to fulfill the objective of those in power. If the RNC/GOPe didn't want him in position they would have supported Cruz and at the convention they would have stuck to their own rules.  Instead they bypassed some of their own rules, stripped other candidates of delegates and denied delegates a roll call vote.  "They" wanted him in place.  There are reasons Trump met with Ryan and Preibus long before the convention.  The fix is in for Hillary.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Just_Victor on July 27, 2016, 05:52:26 pm
"Low energy" destroyed Bush. Not because Bush was actually low energy - you don't govern a state being low energy. He was just boring & wore glasses. The name resonated because of the image Bush projected.

The "Lyin Ted" meme was a Trump camp fabrication that only worked as an integral part of their strategy of attacking what in reality is Cruz's strength - his integrity.

Of course those who still think the insult is cute know its bogus & continue to troll using it. I guess that makes them dishonest.

Calling them "dishonest" is being kind.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 27, 2016, 05:54:59 pm
It's stuck with Rush and Hannity...they both would use it...repeatedly.
One more reason to not tune in either one of them. I consider them as accurate as the National Enquirer, and I don't have a virtual birdcage to line.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: INVAR on July 27, 2016, 06:10:21 pm
IIRC, that column was cut off at choke points and worked over by A-10s and other aircraft.


That is correct.

Hog drivers made mincemeat out of Sadaam's retreating army.

(http://11mvce1u204yohuqc313738f.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/961839-a10.jpg)
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: sneakypete on July 27, 2016, 06:12:26 pm
I am still hoping that he finds reason to drop out of the race.

@libertybele

I still think he will in Sept or Oct,and the poll numbers show him losing. He's Donald Trump,and Donald Trump is NOT a loser. His ego could never tolerate him losing that publicly because he wouldn't be able to deny losing. Losing is for losers,not people named Donald Trump.

And he will spend the rest of his life bragging about how "I COULD have been the President of the United States if I wanted,but I decided the job was beneath me,so I dropped out of the race."

I have no idea what the alleged Republicans will do if they don't just hold an emergency RNC meeting and declare the VP candidate to be the Presidential candidate,and appoint a VP running mate because there won't be time to run another primary. IF they do this,expect JEB or someone like him to be the running mate. The RNC may even find legal wiggle room to have Pense step down and accept JEB or some other globalist as the candidate.

Even under those circumstances I could see a Pence beating Bubbette! and becoming president because Trump not being on the ticket will energize the conservatives to vote "R",but with JEB or someone like him on the top of the ticket means a Bubbette! win.  JEB might even poison a Republican ticket as the VP candidate.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: skeeter on July 27, 2016, 06:18:01 pm
It's stuck with Rush and Hannity...they both would use it...repeatedly.

Hannity is a ninny & Rush is a bore. Both have been loyal shills for the Donster.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: catfish1957 on July 27, 2016, 06:28:34 pm
Hannity is a ninny & Rush is a bore. Both have been loyal shills for the Donster.

Hannity needs to have  his tailor fabricate some cushion knee pads into his suits for comfort.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: skeeter on July 27, 2016, 06:30:08 pm
Hannity needs to have  his tailor fabricate some cushion knee pads into his suits for comfort.

I can still tolerate Rush, mostly for old times sake.

I cannot tolerate Hannity. He is shmutz of the first order.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Suppressed on July 27, 2016, 06:30:34 pm
I'm cool with carpet bombing. It would probably be considerably more effective than this was which was more smaller cluster bombs and precision munitions. As bad as it looks, it really didn't kill the numbers of personnel we once believed it killed. If you look closely a lot of the vehicles are largely untouched with doors hanging open from drivers getting out and fleeing.

(http://i.imgur.com/JA3zq1g.jpg)
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: sneakypete on July 27, 2016, 06:31:59 pm
Okay, I see the point you were making there.  But targeting a specific vehicle convoy isn't carpet-bombing by definition.

It is from a tactical POV,if not from a "Big AF Strategic" POV,and it only takes enough bombers to cover that specific area and do the job necessary.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 27, 2016, 06:37:03 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/JA3zq1g.jpg)
Good one!  :laugh:
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: sneakypete on July 27, 2016, 06:38:33 pm
That is correct.

Hog drivers made mincemeat out of Sadaam's retreating army.

(http://11mvce1u204yohuqc313738f.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/961839-a10.jpg)

@INVAR    @Smokin Joe

If you are on the ground in the area where a Spooky gun ship or a flight of A-10's are working over,it's awful hard to convince you that SOMEBODY ain't being bombed when you are closer than "danger close" and can feel the ground vibrate from the cannon strikes.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: youknowwho on July 27, 2016, 06:46:13 pm
I believe Trump and Hillary have been produced from the same political machine and both the DNC and RNC have gone off the rails.  If those in power have been unable to remove Barry with a majority in both Houses do you think they'd be able to get rid of Trump or stop him?  If King Trump is crowned he's in there for the long haul; however long it takes to fulfill the objective of those in power. If the RNC/GOPe didn't want him in position they would have supported Cruz and at the convention they would have stuck to their own rules.  Instead they bypassed some of their own rules, stripped other candidates of delegates and denied delegates a roll call vote.  "They" wanted him in place.  There are reasons Trump met with Ryan and Preibus long before the convention.  The fix is in for Hillary.

I don't know, but I read somewhere that one of Trump's long time business friends, bails him out frequently  and has connections with THE DNC or Clinton,  has begun pumping money into the 3rd parties.

Who does that help? Hitlery... and this guy actually said he supports Trump..... do with that what you will. ....
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Suppressed on July 27, 2016, 06:55:04 pm
Good one!  :laugh:

To give what credit I can... It's a very quickly constructed nod to what I think was the very first humorous current-events image  I ever saw online, way back before there was a web and you had to decode ASCII-encoded files downloaded from USENET. 

It's stuck with me all years, but I can't begin to give exact credit as I don't recall the original artist...who probably used Photoshop version 1.0!


Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Suppressed on July 27, 2016, 06:58:42 pm
I can still tolerate Rush, mostly for old times sake.

I cannot tolerate Hannity. He is shmutz of the first order.

I have never been able to handled the dullard Hannity.

But this past week was the first time I turned on Rush and had to turn it off again soon thereafter.  Sad.  I listened to him in the 80s, and went to the taping of his TV show in the 90s.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: INVAR on July 27, 2016, 06:59:48 pm
@INVAR    @Smokin Joe

If you are on the ground in the area where a Spooky gun ship or a flight of A-10's are working over,it's awful hard to convince you that SOMEBODY ain't being bombed when you are closer than "danger close" and can feel the ground vibrate from the cannon strikes.

Just the DU rounds alone impacting the ground can be felt almost mile away, not to mention JDAMS or Hellfires. Then there's that sound after the impacts of "BRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAPPPP!" followed by the scream of the engines whistling by as the Hog peels up and away, sometimes dropping chaff and flares as it goes.

Spooky you never hear.  You just get to watch the carnage of the mini guns laying everything waste or the whumps of the Howitzers or the Bofors impacting targets.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: INVAR on July 27, 2016, 07:05:52 pm
I have never been able to handled the dullard Hannity.

But this past week was the first time I turned on Rush and had to turn it off again soon thereafter.  Sad.  I listened to him in the 80s, and went to the taping of his TV show in the 90s.

I could never stand Hannity.  The melees on his shows with Leftists were nauseating and I couldn't handle hearing  "Let me tell you something" about a dozen times a minute.

Rush I permanently turned off about a month ago and canceled my 24/7 when it became obvious he was totally in the tank for his golf buddy and sacrificed everything we thought he stood for for a stalking horse for Hillary.  It was painful to hear him spin Trump's Liberalism as something of a good thing for the GOP.  The last straw was when I heard him yell at a woman who was a Cruz supporter than not voting for Trump was a vote for Hillary.

Oh well.  We were told that there would be a massive falling away from the truth at the time of the end.  I guess this is just another form of it taking shape
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: musiclady on July 27, 2016, 07:10:29 pm
I have never been able to handled the dullard Hannity.

But this past week was the first time I turned on Rush and had to turn it off again soon thereafter.  Sad.  I listened to him in the 80s, and went to the taping of his TV show in the 90s.

I gave up on Rush a month or two ago.  I listened as often as I could for 20 years.  Now I can't handle 5 minutes.

He's sold out, and IMO, if he ever really was a Conservative, he is no longer.  His love for Trump sucked out his brain.

BIG disappointment.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: catfish1957 on July 27, 2016, 07:12:43 pm
I gave up on Rush a month or two ago.  I listened as often as I could for 20 years.  Now I can't handle 5 minutes.

He's sold out, and IMO, if he ever really was a Conservative, he is no longer.  His love for Trump sucked out his brain.

BIG disappointment.

If Rush had simply stated that Trump was not a conservative and not a valid option for the GOP  a year ago, we would not be in this predicament.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: JustPassinThru on July 27, 2016, 07:19:30 pm
Reagan endorsed Ford in 1976 and won Potus in 1980.

Cruz withheld endorsing tonight, and it will no be forgotten. It is a symbol of political judgment.
Reagan did NOT endorse Ford!

That is another of the Trump operatives' LIES.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Cripplecreek on July 27, 2016, 07:19:49 pm
Just the DU rounds alone impacting the ground can be felt almost mile away, not to mention JDAMS or Hellfires. Then there's that sound after the impacts of "BRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAPPPP!" followed by the scream of the engines whistling by as the Hog peels up and away, sometimes dropping chaff and flares as it goes.

Spooky you never hear.  You just get to watch the carnage of the mini guns laying everything waste or the whumps of the Howitzers or the Bofors impacting targets.

I remember reading Nick Rowe's account of being on the receiving end of actual American carpet bombing when he was a prisoner of the North Vietnamese. I know he felt conflicted about it at the time. Cheering the home team and being terrified at the same time.

Even from a couple hundred yards away from the path of the bombs the ground was bouncing and tossing them 5 feet in the air repeatedly.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: sneakypete on July 27, 2016, 07:20:07 pm

Spooky you never hear.  You just get to watch the carnage of the mini guns laying everything waste or the whumps of the Howitzers or the Bofors impacting targets.

@INVAR

Yes,you can when they are down around 500 feet and circling around above you as they fire.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: musiclady on July 27, 2016, 07:20:27 pm
If Rush had simply stated that Trump was not a conservative and not a valid option for the GOP  a year ago, we would not be in this predicament.

I completely agree.

There are apparently enough gullible people out there who thought that if Rush didn't condemn Trump for his liberalism, it must not matter.

I still have a hard time believing that a man I truly thought was a conservative who cared about conservatism, completely turned on every principle he claimed to have stood for.

He has a lot to answer for.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: JustPassinThru on July 27, 2016, 07:25:08 pm
"Low energy" destroyed Bush. Not because Bush was actually low energy - you don't govern a state being low energy. He was just boring & wore glasses. The name resonated because of the image Bush projected.

The "Lyin Ted" meme was a Trump camp fabrication that only worked as an integral part of their strategy of attacking what in reality is Cruz's strength - his integrity.

Of course those who still think the insult is cute know its bogus & continue to troll using it. I guess that makes them dishonest.

Depends on the state government.  Florida has a relatively weak Chief Executive.  And Florida was in a good situation when Bush was in...he was basically a placeholder.

I happen to think he was right on that.  It was blunt and direct and a refreshing change.  But when Lord Trumpy got traction with it, he got the wrong message. 

Direct bluntness, I respect.  SLANDER and KNOWINGLY PUTTING OUT UNTRUTHS, I have no time for.  Words mean things and so does personal honor and integrity have meaning.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: INVAR on July 27, 2016, 07:31:05 pm
Yes,you can when they are down around 500 feet and circling around above you as they fire.

I'll take your word.  I've never been that close to one over a target.  Closest I got to one was while it was on the tarmac.


As to Limbaugh - I think he is a Party Hack, stuck  in the paradigm that there is only one party possible to counter the Democrats even though the mountains of evidence about their collusion with the Leftists is overwhelming.

Rush loves Trump - and likes his rudeness and over-the-top insults directed at any opponent.

Rush admires him for that and giggles over the fact Trump is not a statesman, but a mobster.

Rush not only sold out - he betrayed the very things he spoke about for the 28 years I've listened to him. 

He gave us warning signs though.  I remember him urging the House NOT to impeach Bill Clinton, because his logic was that "Unless you are guaranteed to kill the king, you do not attempt to take him out" or something like that.

Whatever it is, Rush is loyal to his golfing pal - and that is fine, but his shilling for a liberal I cannot stomach.

So Rush, like the GOP is dead to me.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on July 27, 2016, 08:50:19 pm
If those in power have been unable to remove Barry with a majority in both Houses do you think they'd be able to get rid of Trump or stop him? 

Yes.

The difference is that while you only need a majority in the House to impeach a President, you need 2/3 to get a conviction in the Senate.  And that was never, ever going to happen with 45+ Senate Democrats.  And everyone would have known that from the start, so the whole thing would have been a joke.

If Trump goes off the rails, the Democrats might be more than happy to impeach a Republican President, and you'd have a lot of Republicans more excited about a President Pence than a President Trump.  In other words, Trump would see more defections from Senate Republicans (probably Cruz for starters....) than Obama would have seen from Senate Democrats.

I don't even think that's arguable.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: skeeter on July 27, 2016, 08:59:53 pm
If Rush had simply stated that Trump was not a conservative and not a valid option for the GOP  a year ago, we would not be in this predicament.

After 25 years of his 'advanced conservative studies' spiel and the fact he repeatedly admitted Cruz was the 'conservative choice' I kept waiting for Rush to make the call for Cruz.

As it turns out he likely could've changed the outcome of the primaries but he never stepped up.

Now his show is a tired rehash of 90's vintage pompom shaking.



Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: JustPassinThru on July 27, 2016, 09:01:24 pm
I'll take your word.  I've never been that close to one over a target.  Closest I got to one was while it was on the tarmac.


As to Limbaugh - I think he is a Party Hack, stuck  in the paradigm that there is only one party possible to counter the Democrats even though the mountains of evidence about their collusion with the Leftists is overwhelming.

Rush loves Trump - and likes his rudeness and over-the-top insults directed at any opponent.

Rush admires him for that and giggles over the fact Trump is not a statesman, but a mobster.

Rush not only sold out - he betrayed the very things he spoke about for the 28 years I've listened to him. 

He gave us warning signs though.  I remember him urging the House NOT to impeach Bill Clinton, because his logic was that "Unless you are guaranteed to kill the king, you do not attempt to take him out" or something like that.

Whatever it is, Rush is loyal to his golfing pal - and that is fine, but his shilling for a liberal I cannot stomach.

So Rush, like the GOP is dead to me.

Actually, Limbaugh is a trumpbot first.  And foremost.

He's always been a bit of a Republican shill - he puts more weight on the Big R than he does on the person.  To an extent, that's necessary when choosing - almost any Republican is better than most Democrats.

Almost any.  There are exceptions.

But he was deep in the tank for Trump from the git-go; and back when the Establishment operatives were pushing the dead Shrub.  I think it was that there's a personal relationship he's not copping to; that Limbaugh is all giggly about the thought, months ago, that Trump was rolling over the RINOs.

And, since Trump was and is a friend, and a neighbor both in NYC and Florida...he cannot see Trump's faults or see the irony that the RINOs have made peace with God the Donald.  That they have more in common, are more alike, than the Republican base has with the Republican establishment.

And since Trump's friendship with Limbaugh had nothing to do with politics; since Trump had not an articulated political thought until recently; and since it was a friendship of mutual admiration - Limbaugh, as a rising star, impressed with Trump's wealth; and Trump, impressed with fame and celebrity and not having it in the 1980s, collected Limbaugh as Famous-People-I-Know...it's a shallow relationship but long-lived and hard to cut.

It will destroy Limbaugh.  It's making everything Rush claimed he believed, a lie.  Rush was given a chance to sell the second incantation of Reagan to the Republican voter base, and he BLEW IT.

Shilling for this simple, ADHD grifter and bagman.

This is where Limbaugh slinks off to a well-earned early retirement.   Maybe he'll get fleeced by Trumpy's "One-Time" Wealth Tax.  That would be poetic justice.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: txradioguy on July 27, 2016, 09:25:56 pm

Now his show is a tired rehash of 90's vintage pompom shaking.

And that's ironic since he loudly and angrily declared he was NOT going to carry the water for RNC after McCain's loss in 2008.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 27, 2016, 09:37:25 pm
@INVAR    @Smokin Joe

If you are on the ground in the area where a Spooky gun ship or a flight of A-10's are working over,it's awful hard to convince you that SOMEBODY ain't being bombed when you are closer than "danger close" and can feel the ground vibrate from the cannon strikes.
I worked a well in Nevada, east of Nellis AFB and Area 51, and we were treated to the occasional overflight by A-10s and F-16s. Both impressive, frankly, but the A-10 pilots had those remarkably nimble machines looking like hawks hunting in a field...I was on foot at the time, and the first thing I thought was "I sure am glad they aren't hunting me."
That aircraft is as beautiful as it is ugly, from a capability vs looks standpoint.

It is one of those designs that will be right for the role for a long time before something better comes along.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: starstruck on July 27, 2016, 09:38:43 pm
Donald Trump is good at branding. That's how he has extended his reach in business, through branding.

The only reason that a brand or label sticks is if there is some truth to it. For example, 'low-energy' Jeb worked because it was true; crooked Hillery works because it's true.

If someone is skinny but you call him fatso, they just shrug, while others look at you like your nuts. It doesn't stick.

Lyin' Ted...well, that stuck.
Well I guess that is because of the type of people Trump appeals to. Polls have shown that he is popular with the uneducated. Third grade school yard taunts are very popular amongst certain individuals. But when you reach voting age you should have matured.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: goatprairie on July 27, 2016, 09:40:25 pm
After 25 years of his 'advanced conservative studies' spiel and the fact he repeatedly admitted Cruz was the 'conservative choice' I kept waiting for Rush to make the call for Cruz.

As it turns out he likely could've changed the outcome of the primaries but he never stepped up.

Now his show is a tired rehash of 90's vintage pompom shaking.
Rush made a financial decision. Despite having half a billion dollars he figured not backing Trump would cost him money and position in the rich guys club.
So he threw his principles overboard to back the Orange Toad.
And yes, Rush knows Trump is no conservative. He's said as much numerous times. He knows Trump is  brash, vulgar, rude, etc.
Which makes him unlike Hannity who fell hook, line, and sinker for Der Donald.
I don't which is worse....tossing out your principles for money or being too dumb to see through Trump.
Either way both have lost whatever moral authority they gained for themselves as being champions of conservatism.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 27, 2016, 09:49:14 pm
Yes.

The difference is that while you only need a majority in the House to impeach a President, you need 2/3 to get a conviction in the Senate.  And that was never, ever going to happen with 45+ Senate Democrats.  And everyone would have known that from the start, so the whole thing would have been a joke.

If Trump goes off the rails, the Democrats might be more than happy to impeach a Republican President, and you'd have a lot of Republicans more excited about a President Pence than a President Trump.  In other words, Trump would see more defections from Senate Republicans (probably Cruz for starters....) than Obama would have seen from Senate Democrats.

I don't even think that's arguable.
Just to twist the idea the other way, I think there are enough Democrats who would leave Trump in. He'd set them up for a clean sweep (House/Senate/White House) in 2020, not to mention implementing a host of socialist programs when the GOP was kicked out after the YUUUGE mess, and they'd beat the GOP with the outcome of a Trump Administration for decades. The GOP would be voting against the White House, and the Dems would be 'grudgingly' going along in a sense of 'bipartisanship'.

It would spell the end of the GOP as a force in politics, and if Trump was even allowed to call himself "Conservative", the brand would go down in history books as dung.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: goatprairie on July 27, 2016, 10:00:08 pm
I could never stand Hannity.  The melees on his shows with Leftists were nauseating and I couldn't handle hearing  "Let me tell you something" about a dozen times a minute.

Rush I permanently turned off about a month ago and canceled my 24/7 when it became obvious he was totally in the tank for his golf buddy and sacrificed everything we thought he stood for for a stalking horse for Hillary.  It was painful to hear him spin Trump's Liberalism as something of a good thing for the GOP.  The last straw was when I heard him yell at a woman who was a Cruz supporter than not voting for Trump was a vote for Hillary.

Oh well.  We were told that there would be a massive falling away from the truth at the time of the end.  I guess this is just another form of it taking shape
Out of habit I turned on Rush today hoping for a miracle. Which didn't happen. Rush opened his program today enthusiastically talking about the greatness of Der Donald with the email fiasco. I turned him off after about 20 seconds.
 I then put on Levin's show from yesterday. Now Levin says he will vote for Trump to avoid having Hillary in the WH. But Levin doesn't shrink from nailing Trump on his numerous faults. That's all I ask out of a supposedly principled talk show host.
Sadly, both Limbaugh and Hannity have let down their conservative listeners to enthusiastically back an immoral, the least conservative, most ignorant Pubbie candidate since Harding. I don't know...Harding might have been more conservative. At least he had the good sense to die early in his first term which allowed Coolidge into office.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: geronl on July 27, 2016, 10:00:43 pm
Like you said, some truth: "Ted" was the true part.

Trump follows the "Big Lie" theory. Tell a big lie, keep telling it until people believe it.

There need be no truth in it.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: sneakypete on July 27, 2016, 10:04:01 pm
I worked a well in Nevada, east of Nellis AFB and Area 51, and we were treated to the occasional overflight by A-10s and F-16s. Both impressive, frankly, but the A-10 pilots had those remarkably nimble machines looking like hawks hunting in a field...I was on foot at the time, and the first thing I thought was "I sure am glad they aren't hunting me."
That aircraft is as beautiful as it is ugly, from a capability vs looks standpoint.

It is one of those designs that will be right for the role for a long time before something better comes along.

@Smokin Joe

Yet the boneheads in the AF want to get rid of them because they ain't fighters,and fighters are "sexy".

We used to rely on the old A1 Skyraider for close ground support tac air,and it would definitely bring the damn-damn with it when it came. Carried twice as much ordinance as the typical fighter-bomber of the time,and could and would fly slow enough and low enough to put it where you wanted it. A seriously good thing when you being overran and need some 50 cals and 20 mm cannon shots to get the enemy off your chest. Not to mention the A1's were the ones you desperately wanted when it came time to drop napalm right on the edge of your perimeter. The fast movers would try,but the best they could usually do was put it in the right general area.

And from what I hear,the A-10 is so superior as a troop support gun ship there is no comparison to the old A-1's. They even have the advantage of flying a lot faster than the old A1's, meaning they can get there to help you quicker,and can still fly slow enough to put it where you want it.

And the pilots,like the A-1 pilots take GREAT pride in being able to do so.  They seem to care nothing about being "dashing fighter pilots",but they do love the idea of being the Calvary riding/flying to the rescue. Unfortunately,being a A-10 Warthog pilot is not helpful career-wise if you ever hope to wear stars.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 27, 2016, 10:05:32 pm
Trump follows the "Big Lie" theory. Tell a big lie, keep telling it until people believe it.

There need be no truth in it.
Oh, the tactic is obvious. Make the lie a household word, then even people who know the truth, deep down, will repeat it.

The guy is his own propaganda ministry, but he has a Marketing Department on staff, too. I have little doubt campaign expenditures were funneled back into his organization on several levels, and that was likely one.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 27, 2016, 10:29:57 pm
@Smokin Joe

Yet the boneheads in the AF want to get rid of them because they ain't fighters,and fighters are "sexy".

We used to rely on the old A1 Skyraider for close ground support tac air,and it would definitely bring the damn-damn with it when it came. Carried twice as much ordinance as the typical fighter-bomber of the time,and could and would fly slow enough and low enough to put it where you wanted it. A seriously good thing when you being overran and need some 50 cals and 20 mm cannon shots to get the enemy off your chest. Not to mention the A1's were the ones you desperately wanted when it came time to drop napalm right on the edge of your perimeter. The fast movers would try,but the best they could usually do was put it in the right general area.

And from what I hear,the A-10 is so superior as a troop support gun ship there is no comparison to the old A-1's. They even have the advantage of flying a lot faster than the old A1's, meaning they can get there to help you quicker,and can still fly slow enough to put it where you want it.

And the pilots,like the A-1 pilots take GREAT pride in being able to do so.  They seem to care nothing about being "dashing fighter pilots",but they do love the idea of being the Calvary riding/flying to the rescue. Unfortunately,being a A-10 Warthog pilot is not helpful career-wise if you ever hope to wear stars.
The funny thing is, that while the Warthog doesn't have the sexy lines, (and I'm not a pilot, never in the service, even) just watching that plane in capable hands was a thing of beauty. When man first dreamed of taking to wing like the birds, maybe he didn't envision that hawk hunting mice in a field, or an Osprey fishing, but I have watched both at length and the Warthog is the only thing I have seen without meat on its wings that flies like that. Beautiful, awe inspiring, even intimidating, and that's if you are a friend.

It's like watching that gangly and not so pretty girl you know go for her black belt all smoothness and flow, packing a punch to boot. You learn a respect for that, and find beauty in that grace.

High survivability in combat (from what I have read) is always a plus, and likely helps the pilots earn accolades for close air support.

The troops like them, too, because those on the stick have done incredible work with them.

I guess for some pilots, having the Marines or Army buy you a drink wherever you go is better than painting little airplanes on the side of the cockpit. Knowing you made a difference would be number one.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: skeeter on July 27, 2016, 10:30:22 pm
And that's ironic since he loudly and angrily declared he was NOT going to carry the water for RNC after McCain's loss in 2008.

Back in the 90's Rush used to call Clinton conspiracy theorists and enforce-our-immigration-laws-now types "Kooks".

The GOP was simply the living end AND Bush invited Rush to stay in the Lincoln Bedroom.

I thought he had learned something in the interim.

Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 27, 2016, 10:34:57 pm
Back in the 90's Rush used to call Clinton conspiracy theorists and enforce-our-immigration-laws-now types "Kooks".

The GOP was simply the living end AND Bush invited Rush to stay in the Lincoln Bedroom.

I thought he had learned something in the interim.
I noticed he would take a run at the Clintons and always pull that final, haymaker, punch.
It disappointed me a few times before I realized he wasn't going to cross that line and call them the crooks they were. I no longer made it a point to listen after that, and before long, just didn't.

I am not surprised. He's an entertainer. Make of that what you will, but while the foole will dance for the King, he'd be a fool to piss him off. I knew there was a line which would never be crossed, no matter who was on the other side.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: INVAR on July 27, 2016, 10:42:57 pm
And from what I hear,the A-10 is so superior as a troop support gun ship there is no comparison to the old A-1's. They even have the advantage of flying a lot faster than the old A1's, meaning they can get there to help you quicker,and can still fly slow enough to put it where you want it.

Combat grunts LOVE them Hogs.  When danger is close, nothing hits Hajii harder and more accurately (except a JDAM) than a strafing run by a Hog Driver that knows how to skim the treetops and lay down fire that will instantly liquefy an entire brigade of Jihadists.

Unfortunately,being a A-10 Warthog pilot is not helpful career-wise if you ever hope to wear stars.

Hog drivers are essentially grunts in the AF that have more in common with a platoon cmdr than a career officer with sleek wings to a tech savvy fast mover.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: txradioguy on July 27, 2016, 10:49:10 pm
Combat grunts LOVE them Hogs.  When danger is close, nothing hits Hajii harder and more accurately (except a JDAM) than a strafing run by a Hog Driver that knows how to skim the treetops and lay down fire that will instantly liquefy an entire brigade of Jihadists.

Hog drivers are essentially grunts in the AF that have more in common with a platoon cmdr than a career officer with sleek wings to a tech savvy fast mover.

They should just go ahead and turn them over to the Army like they planned to do prior to their last star turn during Desert Storm.

This isnt the first time the AF has tried to rid themselves of the A10.

As an aside...former Dallas Cowboys DE Chad Hennings flew Warthogs in Kuwait in 1991
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Cripplecreek on July 27, 2016, 10:50:52 pm
Combat grunts LOVE them Hogs.  When danger is close, nothing hits Hajii harder and more accurately (except a JDAM) than a strafing run by a Hog Driver that knows how to skim the treetops and lay down fire that will instantly liquefy an entire brigade of Jihadists.

Hog drivers are essentially grunts in the AF that have more in common with a platoon cmdr than a career officer with sleek wings to a tech savvy fast mover.

I've seen video out of Afghanistan of troops on the ground lining up in a string over 100 yards or so to wave flags to accurately point a low flying A-10 at a specific point that apparently needed to hit from a very low angle.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: HoustonSam on July 27, 2016, 10:53:40 pm
Combat grunts LOVE them Hogs.  When danger is close, nothing hits Hajii harder and more accurately (except a JDAM) than a strafing run by a Hog Driver that knows how to skim the treetops and lay down fire that will instantly liquefy an entire brigade of Jihadists.

Hog drivers are essentially grunts in the AF that have more in common with a platoon cmdr than a career officer with sleek wings to a tech savvy fast mover.

Several of you fellows talk about this with the confidence of experience, experience that I don't have.  So let me further hijack the thread with a question : why isn't tactical air support with fixed wing aircraft like the A-10 moved back to Army command?  It seems that the Army and the Air Force want to concentrate on different battlefields; wouldn't it make more sense to give the Army all aspects of its battlefield, including close air support of troops on the ground, and let the Air Force focus on the strategic mission and air superiority?

Apologies to mods and everyone else if I'm perpetuating an unwelcome drift in the thread topic.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: txradioguy on July 27, 2016, 10:59:12 pm
Several of you fellows talk about this with the confidence of experience, experience that I don't have.  So let me further hijack the thread with a question : why isn't tactical air support with fixed wing aircraft like the A-10 moved back to Army command?  It seems that the Army and the Air Force want to concentrate on different battlefields; wouldn't it make more sense to give the Army all aspects of its battlefield, including close air support of troops on the ground, and let the Air Force focus on the strategic mission and air superiority?

Apologies to mods and everyone else if I'm perpetuating an unwelcome drift in the thread topic.

I think a lot of it has to do with agreements made back in the late 40's when the AF became its own branch of service.

IRRC there was a huge pissing contest in the 50's when the Army started taking an interest in helicopters.. especially armed ones.

The AF wanted to forbid the Army from using rotary wing aircraft as well.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: EC on July 27, 2016, 11:07:59 pm
In short, it's too sensible an idea and too expensive to fix a historical cock up.

The Army (and Marines) do look after a lot of their own close support needs, but tend to do so with choppers, not fixed wing. For some reason (more than likely budgetary, but a scrap at the top could also be behind it) when the A-10 was first rolled out it was given to the AF. To transition the A-10 to Army control would take several years and a butt load of cash - you'd need to build the support units from scratch, unless you want some very unhappy AF types being forced to mix with the ground pounders. The planes themselves are a vanishingly small part of the cost.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Norm Lenhart on July 27, 2016, 11:35:01 pm

 I then put on Levin's show from yesterday. Now Levin says he will vote for Trump to avoid having Hillary in the WH. But Levin doesn't shrink from nailing Trump on his numerous faults.

@CatherineofAragon
Doesn't matter a single Tinkers dam in the end though. He sold out just as I long predicted he would.

I would like to take this opportunity to publicly laugh in the faces of all those staunch 'conservatives' who called me everything but a white man for calling Levin what his actions PROVE he is. A fraud.

I told you so folks.

Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: txradioguy on July 27, 2016, 11:56:08 pm
@CatherineofAragon
Doesn't matter a single Tinkers dam in the end though. He sold out just as I long predicted he would.

I would like to take this opportunity to publicly laugh in the faces of all those staunch 'conservatives' who called me everything but a white man for calling Levin what his actions PROVE he is. A fraud.

I told you so folks.

Hold off there Carnack...he hasn't said for sure hes voting for Trump.


Levin has a solid history as the Conservatives Conservative.  So your BS about his allegedly selling out isnjust that...BS.

You didnt tell us anything but that your an arrogant prig who pretends to be above it all so you can laugh at all sides while pretending to be the only one who can see the error of our collective stupidity.

That doesn't make you smart ...just makes you an bleep. 
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Norm Lenhart on July 28, 2016, 12:23:02 am
He has a solid history of saying one thing during the leadup to an election and another right before the election when he tells his audience to vote for whatever POS the GOP provides. Thats history. Thats a fact.

Mitt Romney ring any bells? Mr. Conservative Levin went out and told his audience to elect the guy that profits from the abortions his own laws enabled.

A F T E R he spent months telling us what a bad guy Romney was. That to is a fact of history. Do you suppose that Romney and now Trump are suddenly free of all his prior criticzms? Do you suppose that their idiocy is now OK to give pass to because ...reasons? Now do YOU think it's acceptable to milk your audience for ratings and profit at the expense of your country? Because I sure as hell do not.

Oh...and he did it just like Jim Robinson did. Birds of a feather.

EDIT:  PS: Call me arrogant all you like. Don't care. I was right and I am NOT ashamed of it. Listen to people like me next time and you won't have to make excuses for fallen idols.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: JustPassinThru on July 28, 2016, 02:00:43 am
He has a solid history of saying one thing during the leadup to an election and another right before the election when he tells his audience to vote for whatever POS the GOP provides. Thats history. Thats a fact.

Mitt Romney ring any bells? Mr. Conservative Levin went out and told his audience to elect the guy that profits from the abortions his own laws enabled.

A F T E R he spent months telling us what a bad guy Romney was. That to is a fact of history. Do you suppose that Romney and now Trump are suddenly free of all his prior criticzms? Do you suppose that their idiocy is now OK to give pass to because ...reasons? Now do YOU think it's acceptable to milk your audience for ratings and profit at the expense of your country? Because I sure as hell do not.

Oh...and he did it just like Jim Robinson did. Birds of a feather.

EDIT:  PS: Call me arrogant all you like. Don't care. I was right and I am NOT ashamed of it. Listen to people like me next time and you won't have to make excuses for fallen idols.

Romney would have been UNQUESTIONABLY better than the African Moslem.

UNQUESTIONABLY.

He's a leftist RINO - I get that.  He's not a wrecking ball.  He's not a child filled with Marxist rot.

He's not a Moslem.

Those were sound reasons to support Romney at the end of the day.

I cannot find similar sound reasons today.

But Levin recognized, then, that the less-evil was the better choice.

FWIW, Levin seems on the verge of giving a grudging nod for Trump.  He can if he wants; but I think it's a coin toss. He'd probably preserve more cred just saying so as well.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on July 28, 2016, 02:06:13 am
"Low energy" destroyed Bush. Not because Bush was actually low energy - you don't govern a state being low energy. He was just boring & wore glasses

Destroyed?  You think winning two Presidential elections has one 'destroyed'?

Kinda dramatic I would think.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: verga on July 28, 2016, 02:12:32 am
That is correct.

Hog drivers made mincemeat out of Sadaam's retreating army.

(http://11mvce1u204yohuqc313738f.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/961839-a10.jpg)
Warthogs are bad ass planes. Coonts did an amazing job of describing their capabilities in his first book.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 28, 2016, 04:28:43 am
Destroyed?  You think winning two Presidential elections has one 'destroyed'?

Kinda dramatic I would think.
@skeeter
I think he meant JEB, not W.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Norm Lenhart on July 28, 2016, 04:33:00 am
Romney would have been UNQUESTIONABLY better than the African Moslem.

UNQUESTIONABLY.

He's a leftist RINO - I get that.  He's not a wrecking ball.  He's not a child filled with Marxist rot.

He's not a Moslem.

Those were sound reasons to support Romney at the end of the day.

I cannot find similar sound reasons today.

But Levin recognized, then, that the less-evil was the better choice.

FWIW, Levin seems on the verge of giving a grudging nod for Trump.  He can if he wants; but I think it's a coin toss. He'd probably preserve more cred just saying so as well.

I don't care if he's a VooDoo witch doctor. The guy and his supporters traded the lives of babies away to try winning an election.

Romney profited from his own laws that killed human babies. His supporters knew that going in and gave their approval of trading babies lives for victory. Then lost.

Not my fault...just their lack of morality. Some of them realized their mistake. Some didn't.

At the end of the day, the lesser evil argument is one put forth by the morally bankrupt because ultimately, they WILL accept evil on their terms. If that upsets people, reevaluate your voting folks, because it's true regardless of any polite feelings involved.

Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 28, 2016, 04:43:54 am

At the end of the day, the lesser evil argument is one put forth by the morally bankrupt because ultimately, they WILL accept evil on their terms. If that upsets people, reevaluate your voting folks, because it's true regardless of any polite feelings involved.
Evil is evil. When you start putting it classes, in lesser and greater modes, all that is done is to give an excuse to choose which evil will be accepted, not the refutation of evil in and of itself.

Why I don't expect a candidate to be perfect (for none of us are), I still expect them to uphold, as a servant of the people, the highest standards of behaviour and morality. We say private life goes away when someone becomes a public figure, at that point their behaviour, their actions all become something they are doing for us by proxy.

If we find, beforehand, that that proxy will be abused and used to commit evil, we have no business giving it if we seek good. Saying that granting that proxy to act on our behalf because the person who receives it will commit less evil than some other person we could so empower is like voting for someone who is only a serial murderer and not a mass murderer because they won't kill as many people.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: sneakypete on July 28, 2016, 04:45:22 am
They should just go ahead and turn them over to the Army like they planned to do prior to their last star turn during Desert Storm.

This isnt the first time the AF has tried to rid themselves of the A10.

As an aside...former Dallas Cowboys DE Chad Hennings flew Warthogs in Kuwait in 1991

@txradioguy

You are right,but the USAF is incredibly jealous of being birdmen,and will do anything and everything to prevent the army from doing their own flying and leaving them out of a job. It was before my time,but people were still serving when I was in the army that remember the howls of outrage over the army even having helicopters. ALL they wanted the army to have were unarmed piper cubs for observation planes. Armed planes were consider to be THEIR domain,and nobody was welcome to step on their turf,thank you very much. The fact that all these wanted were zoomies to shoot the gawdless commies out of the sky and had less than zero interest in providing air cover for ground troops was irrelevant.

They even got the old Caribou taken out of army service by claiming they could provide the same troop and supply airlift in C-123's and C-130's,never mind that they had to go to JATO (Jet assisted take off) to get even a C-123 out of a short strip where a C-130 couldn't even land,never mind take off. And there were more than a few remote SF camps that could ONLY be supplied by air that even the C-123's couldn't get in or out of. They were reduced to getting resupplied by a C-123 coming in on the dirt airstrip with the door down,and then the load master rolling pallets with the re-supplies out the back door with a parachute attached to help them slow down enough they didn't tumble and bust all to pieces when they hit the ground. Some of those A camps they couldn't even do that with so they ended up using air drops. In the end,they just gave up and the most remote camps were resupplied by helicopters,which mean multiple takeoffs and landings,giving the NVA in the hills plenty of time to bring weapons to bear on the strips.

Now the newest pack of asshats in blue with stars want to eliminate the A-10 less they be confused with enlisted swine that fight in the dirt instead of fighting the officer and gentlemen who are their social equals.

Then again,I may be just the tiniest bit bitter because I was thinking we were all on the same side.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: sneakypete on July 28, 2016, 04:48:14 am
Several of you fellows talk about this with the confidence of experience, experience that I don't have.  So let me further hijack the thread with a question : why isn't tactical air support with fixed wing aircraft like the A-10 moved back to Army command?

Turf fights and jockeying for a larger chuck on the defense budget. It all about building and maintaining your empire.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: sneakypete on July 28, 2016, 04:50:30 am
Destroyed?  You think winning two Presidential elections has one 'destroyed'?

Kinda dramatic I would think.

@IsailedawayfromFR

Think "JEB",not Boy Jorge.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on July 28, 2016, 05:13:20 am
Several of you fellows talk about this with the confidence of experience, experience that I don't have.  So let me further hijack the thread with a question : why isn't tactical air support with fixed wing aircraft like the A-10 moved back to Army command?  It seems that the Army and the Air Force want to concentrate on different battlefields; wouldn't it make more sense to give the Army all aspects of its battlefield, including close air support of troops on the ground, and let the Air Force focus on the strategic mission and air superiority?

Apologies to mods and everyone else if I'm perpetuating an unwelcome drift in the thread topic.

Maybe it has to do with the relationship between providing good CAS, and needing relative air superiority.  If you don't control the air, then effective CAS is much more difficult, and you'll lose planes.  So (and this is guessing since I wasn't in the AF), the people who are shaping the air battlefield are in the best position to control the commitment of CAS.  You also have the whole issue of requiring separate airfields, separate command structures, logistical support (fuel, for example) etc. for fixed wing aircraft.  Putting it all under the same command structure simplifies a lot of the those problems.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: txradioguy on July 28, 2016, 05:43:31 am
I don't care if he's a VooDoo witch doctor. The guy and his supporters traded the lives of babies away to try winning an election.

Romney profited from his own laws that killed human babies. His supporters knew that going in and gave their approval of trading babies lives for victory. Then lost.

Not my fault...just their lack of morality. Some of them realized their mistake. Some didn't.

At the end of the day, the lesser evil argument is one put forth by the morally bankrupt because ultimately, they WILL accept evil on their terms. If that upsets people, reevaluate your voting folks, because it's true regardless of any polite feelings involved.

So basically what you do is set this impossibly high standard for what is and isn't a sellout so that you never have to commit to ome person or another and you're never wrong in your mind....got it. 

I notice too that you waited until Levin's name was mentioned to even show up on this thread. Do you jabe anything to add to thr OP or were you just waiting on your chance to skewer Levin because hes your personal daemon.  I notice that you left Rush and Hannity alone. Why is that?
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: txradioguy on July 28, 2016, 05:44:25 am
Maybe it has to do with the relationship between providing good CAS, and needing relative air superiority.  If you don't control the air, then effective CAS is much more difficult, and you'll lose planes.  So (and this is guessing since I wasn't in the AF), the people who are shaping the air battlefield are in the best position to control the commitment of CAS.  You also have the whole issue of requiring separate airfields, separate command structures, logistical support (fuel, for example) etc. for fixed wing aircraft.  Putting it all under the same command structure simplifies a lot of the those problems.

Yup that sums it up nicely.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Norm Lenhart on July 28, 2016, 07:11:27 am
So basically what you do is set this impossibly high standard for what is and isn't a sellout so that you never have to commit to ome person or another and you're never wrong in your mind....got it. 

I notice too that you waited until Levin's name was mentioned to even show up on this thread. Do you jabe anything to add to thr OP or were you just waiting on your chance to skewer Levin because hes your personal daemon.  I notice that you left Rush and Hannity alone. Why is that?

Because they proved themselves nothing but shills for the establishment long ago. Unfortunately there are still people here that look to the sellout as some kind of conservative because he writes books and yells at people. BFD. That's nice. But his actual actions are not something you can wish away.

And if you call standing behind the words coming out of your/his/my/whoever's mouth an 'impossibly high standard" then you may better take a long and hard look at your standards because they would be extremely lax. Most people would call standing behind their words honorable and even conservative.

So when some 'icon' of conservatism flip flops every election on backing liberals, I would think an honorable person would call it what it is, not try to pretend it all away by diverting the issue. Wouldn't you agree?

Here's the problem. If you look to entertainers (and a guy with a radio show is most assuredly an entertainer, whether it's Levin, Rush or Hannity) to give you (the general 'you' your political opinion, you shouldn't be allowed to vote in the first place as you abandoned your duty as an American and lack the intelligence to govern yourself.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Norm Lenhart on July 28, 2016, 07:25:46 am
Evil is evil. When you start putting it classes, in lesser and greater modes, all that is done is to give an excuse to choose which evil will be accepted, not the refutation of evil in and of itself.

It's the very same mindset that leads people to call themselves conservatives while voting for people who offer the exact opposite of everything they say between elections.
They want to sit at that table while doing nothing to have earned their place there. They WANT. It's really no deeper than that. They want to be called conservative no matter how liberal their voting is. They will simply blame you for calling them on their actions.

Trump does that daily. So they do that as well. Before him, it was Romney. Or Mitch. Or Jonbon. It doesn't matter what liberal the GOP puts up, they vote for it and demand their seat at the conservative table instead of where their actions place them. At the kids table with the rest of their Democrat brethren.

Why? So they can destroy from within and ensure that a Liberal wins. Look at the last three four elections. Fully within the age of the Internet with any info imaginable a mere mouseclick away and what do they do? Spread rumor, attack facts, act like card carrying Democrats and DEMAND they be called conservative...which helps make the word utterly meaningless.

I can't begin to tell you how many people I have talked to in my life that think people like the current Trump crowd, or the Romneybots before them were 'conservative' and thus wanted nothing to do with the brand as those people disgusted them. Much like the drunk 'christian' that blows his check at the strip joint Saturday night and sits piously in the pews Sunday morning.

Frauds. Hypocrites. Evil. There are many descriptors that apply fully. They hate hearing there is consequence to their actions. But they never hate it enough to do anything to repeat their behavior and condemn anyone with enough of a spine to point it out.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: geronl on July 28, 2016, 07:27:16 am
So basically what you do is set this impossibly high standard for what is and isn't a sellout so that you never have to commit to ome person or another and you're never wrong in your mind....got it. 


Romney was a Massachussetts liberal who signed proclamations praising homosexual parades with children as Grand Marshals.

For electability what was ever worse was that he was the Godfather of ObamaCare and it pretty much took the biggest issue of the election off the table.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Hoodat on July 28, 2016, 07:30:01 am
If Levin wants to support Trump, that's his business.  He's a grown man.  It is a decision that he is going to have to live with, not me. 

But if he starts telling us that Trump is a Conservative, or that voting for anyone other than Trump is a vote for Hillary, or if he starts badgering us in any way to vote for Trump, then he becomes dead to me.  I can't handle the lying.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: txradioguy on July 28, 2016, 07:49:04 am
If Levin wants to support Trump, that's his business.  He's a grown man.  It is a decision that he is going to have to live with, not me. 

But if he starts telling us that Trump is a Conservative, or that voting for anyone other than Trump is a vote for Hillary, or if he starts badgering us in any way to vote for Trump, then he becomes dead to me.  I can't handle the lying.

Levin very clearly and affirmatively says that hes not seen anything Conservative about Trump and that Trump is going to have to quit appleaing to Bernie Sanders voters amd start reaching out to Conservatives if he (Levin) ends up voting for Trump. 

I don't at all believe he'll pull a Limbaugh and try to tell us Donny is Conservative.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 28, 2016, 12:42:45 pm
It's the very same mindset that leads people to call themselves conservatives while voting for people who offer the exact opposite of everything they say between elections.
They want to sit at that table while doing nothing to have earned their place there. They WANT. It's really no deeper than that. They want to be called conservative no matter how liberal their voting is. They will simply blame you for calling them on their actions.

Trump does that daily. So they do that as well. Before him, it was Romney. Or Mitch. Or Jonbon. It doesn't matter what liberal the GOP puts up, they vote for it and demand their seat at the conservative table instead of where their actions place them. At the kids table with the rest of their Democrat brethren.

Why? So they can destroy from within and ensure that a Liberal wins. Look at the last three four elections. Fully within the age of the Internet with any info imaginable a mere mouseclick away and what do they do? Spread rumor, attack facts, act like card carrying Democrats and DEMAND they be called conservative...which helps make the word utterly meaningless.

I can't begin to tell you how many people I have talked to in my life that think people like the current Trump crowd, or the Romneybots before them were 'conservative' and thus wanted nothing to do with the brand as those people disgusted them. Much like the drunk 'christian' that blows his check at the strip joint Saturday night and sits piously in the pews Sunday morning.

Frauds. Hypocrites. Evil. There are many descriptors that apply fully. They hate hearing there is consequence to their actions. But they never hate it enough to do anything to repeat their behavior and condemn anyone with enough of a spine to point it out.

Well, Norm, this is the reason we have a Congress with a couple of warriors for Liberty and a host of 'centrists' and Liberals.

The "He's our Liberal" or our "lesser evil" argument has been winning elections for too long.
There is a comforting convenience in electing the status quo, people have the same somethings to bitch about, the same things to get angry about, like that ache in a knee or elbow in the morning, those problems, those chains are an old friend.

Only now, that ache isn't just an arthritic twinge, but heralds something that is growing, getting worse, contagious, metastasizing, and accelerating. The bromides of denial work only so long, the opiates of the Media will only mask the damage for a while, and sooner or later the pain will burn through the analgesics, by which time the damage will be done.

Then, inevitably, fingers will be pointed and excuses made, but the bottom line is that there is always the choice to not do or not support evil.

Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Cripplecreek on July 28, 2016, 12:47:09 pm
Well, Norm, this is the reason we have a Congress with a couple of warriors for Liberty and a host of 'centrists' and Liberals.

The "He's our Liberal" or our "lesser evil" argument has been winning elections for too long.
There is a comforting convenience in electing the status quo, people have the same somethings to bitch about, the same things to get angry about, like that ache in a knee or elbow in the morning, those problems, those chains are an old friend.

Only now, that ache isn't just an arthritic twinge, but heralds something that is growing, getting worse, contagious, metastasizing, and accelerating. The bromides of denial work only so long, the opiates of the Media will only mask the damage for a while, and sooner or later the pain will burn through the analgesics, by which time the damage will be done.

Then, inevitably, fingers will be pointed and excuses made, but the bottom line is that there is always the choice to not do or not support evil.

Even so called conservatives are now hunting real conservatives for removal or to prevent them from being elected.

Mark Levin slams American Conservative Union for endorsing a RINO

https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2016/07/mark-levin-slams-american-conservative-union-for-endorsing-a-rino?utm_source=CRFB&utm_medium=FB&utm_campaign=acu+bongino
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: EC on July 28, 2016, 01:42:11 pm
Even so called conservatives are now hunting real conservatives for removal or to prevent them from being elected.

Mark Levin slams American Conservative Union for endorsing a RINO

https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2016/07/mark-levin-slams-american-conservative-union-for-endorsing-a-rino?utm_source=CRFB&utm_medium=FB&utm_campaign=acu+bongino

Did the Conservative Caucus debacle when Bohner was removed teach people nothing?

HAVE YOUR REPLACEMENT READY BEFORE YOU GET RID OF A SQUISH!!!!

That was the most pathetically retarded "victory" spectacle in recent memory.

"Yay! Bohner is resigning!"
"Who you got to replace him?"
"Ummm ...."
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Silver Pines on July 28, 2016, 02:11:01 pm
Hold off there Carnack...he hasn't said for sure hes voting for Trump.


Levin has a solid history as the Conservatives Conservative.  So your BS about his allegedly selling out isnjust that...BS.

You didnt tell us anything but that your an arrogant prig who pretends to be above it all so you can laugh at all sides while pretending to be the only one who can see the error of our collective stupidity.

That doesn't make you smart ...just makes you an bleep.

@txradioguy
@Norm Lenhart

Here's the thing, though, and I say this as someone who likes Mark Levin.  He stated very clearly that he was NeverTrump, that he could not vote for him. A Constitutional attorney knows that words have meanings.  He shouldn't have made such a definite statement if he didn't mean it...he should have said he had reservations about Trump, or whatever.

Mark knew all along Hillary would be the nominee, did he not?  So why is he acting as though the realization is only now coming over him?  I'll tell you why.  He's panicking.  Just like Dana Loesch, who penned an editorial in February, detailing in depth Trump's mob ties, and explaining why she couldnt support him.  Well, the other day she pivoted, and issued a plea for Republicans to get behind Trump in order to keep Hillary out of the White House.  As though she just now found out Hillary was running.  And now, with that endorsement of Trump, Dana is now reduced to doing what supporting Trump requires...twisting herself into a pretzel to ignore and/or excuse the crap that comes out of his mouth.

Last night Mark was mocking the hell out of Trump, calling him Great Leader, the new Baby Doc, etc.  I really don't understand how he can square such truthful observations with support for the object of his scorn.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Bigun on July 28, 2016, 02:14:26 pm
Turf fights and jockeying for a larger chuck on the defense budget. It all about building and maintaining your empire.

That's not confined to the Military! That is the story of the entire federal government!  Come to think of it it is the story of government in general no matter what level!
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: jmyrlefuller on July 28, 2016, 02:21:54 pm
Romney would have been UNQUESTIONABLY better than the African Moslem.

UNQUESTIONABLY.

He's a leftist RINO - I get that.  He's not a wrecking ball.  He's not a child filled with Marxist rot.

He's not a Moslem.

Those were sound reasons to support Romney at the end of the day.

I cannot find similar sound reasons today.

But Levin recognized, then, that the less-evil was the better choice.
It's the same reason why I am not beneath voting Johnson this time around, even though I disagree with him.

Four years ago, Obama had to be defeated. Now, not only did he get re-elected, but both major parties have nominated candidates that fit parts of his mold: an egomaniacal tyrant in waiting in Trump, and a progressive machine loyalist in Clinton. I won't have any part of this anymore.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: MACVSOG68 on July 28, 2016, 02:22:52 pm
That's not confined to the Military! That is the story of the entire federal government!  Come to think of it it is the story of government in general no matter what level!

Very true.  The problem comes in controlling the growth of governments at all levels.  Government is an essential part of society.  it holds the society together and protects the society from external and internal threats.  But it grows naturally as it sees new needs it believes only it can fulfill.  And generally it grows because society accepts that growth.  Containing that growth with only a fraction of the society favoring containment is the challenge.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Cripplecreek on July 28, 2016, 02:25:47 pm
It's the same reason why I am not beneath voting Johnson this time around, even though I disagree with him.

Four years ago, Obama had to be defeated. Now, not only did he get re-elected, but both major parties have nominated candidates that fit parts of his mold: an egomaniacal tyrant in waiting in Trump, and a progressive machine loyalist in Clinton. I won't have any part of this anymore.

They want you to vote for their lesser evil not a lesser evil of your choosing.

Personally I'm wishing Brad Thor could find someone named Mjölnir for a Thor/Mjölnir 2016.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Bigun on July 28, 2016, 02:32:44 pm
Very true.  The problem comes in controlling the growth of governments at all levels.  Government is an essential part of society.  it holds the society together and protects the society from external and internal threats.  But it grows naturally as it sees new needs it believes only it can fulfill.  And generally it grows because society accepts that growth.  Containing that growth with only a fraction of the society favoring containment is the challenge.

Especially so when the people we elect to congress FLATLY refuse the powers granted them under the Constitution!  If THEY refuse to do their damned jobs it's totally hopeless!

Right now almost every single U.S. Congressman and Senator has but one goal and that is to become a $million a year lobbyist when they are no longer in government!  They have absolutely zero incentive to actually represent the people who actually elect them!

Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: JustPassinThru on July 28, 2016, 02:59:42 pm

Four years ago, Obama had to be defeated. Now, not only did he get re-elected, but both major parties have nominated candidates that fit parts of his mold: an egomaniacal tyrant in waiting in Trump, and a progressive machine loyalist in Clinton. I won't have any part of this anymore.

And four years ago, the Republicans offered an alternative.

Today they do not.  List the qualities of Billary - arrogant, incompetent, rich-through-crony-connections and without work; supports life-denying Leftist precepts...

...and all of them match Trump.  ONLY difference is that Trump has not, YET, sloppily or deliberately made national-security classified information available to enemy-agent hackers or operatives.

YET.

That's not enough for me to go out and fight for the Big R.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Norm Lenhart on July 28, 2016, 03:36:22 pm
And four years ago, the Republicans offered an alternative.

Today they do not.  List the qualities of Billary - arrogant, incompetent, rich-through-crony-connections and without work; supports life-denying Leftist precepts...

...and all of them match Trump.  ONLY difference is that Trump has not, YET, sloppily or deliberately made national-security classified information available to enemy-agent hackers or operatives.

YET.

That's not enough for me to go out and fight for the Big R.

On what planet is a guy that profits from the murder of unborn children his own laws allowed to be killed in the first place...a man whose laws empowered the baby parts industry, an 'alternative' to anyone but a liberal? For the 'Romney as Alternative' theory to be true, that would put Republican voters t least as low on the moral ladder as a Democrat. Which considering how many morally bankrupt 'conservatives' still pine for 'Chef du'Infant' of Club Stericycle, I guess would be this one, so I unfortunately answered my own question.

Do any of you Romney defenders ever stop and apply hindsight to what it was you tried to 'save' America with? Ever? Or are you so far gone that trading human life for 'winning' is perfectly acceptable? That would explain the Trump support though as once you cash in a childs life for a lottery ticket vote, what's a mere insane man by comparison?
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: JustPassinThru on July 28, 2016, 04:03:52 pm
On what planet is a guy that profits from the murder of unborn children his own laws allowed to be killed in the first place...a man whose laws empowered the baby parts industry, an 'alternative' to anyone but a liberal? For the 'Romney as Alternative' theory to be true, that would put Republican voters t least as low on the moral ladder as a Democrat. Which considering how many morally bankrupt 'conservatives' still pine for 'Chef du'Infant' of Club Stericycle, I guess would be this one, so I unfortunately answered my own question.

Do any of you Romney defenders ever stop and apply hindsight to what it was you tried to 'save' America with? Ever? Or are you so far gone that trading human life for 'winning' is perfectly acceptable? That would explain the Trump support though as once you cash in a childs life for a lottery ticket vote, what's a mere insane man by comparison?

I don't know where you're getting that and I don't care.  Romney is not an abortionist; and he is not a candidate.

That election is DONE.  We have to look ahead - and since there is no workable alternative, in any direction, we have to figure out what to do with the inevitable train-wreck that's coming.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Cripplecreek on July 28, 2016, 04:32:38 pm
RE: "Lying Ted"

As someone earlier in the thread pointed out, Cruz's greatest appeal to the voters was and is his integrity.

"TrustTED" was fantastic branding and Trump recognized this.  He knows that branding appeals to the LIV.  Since the LIV folks were the very same folks that Trump was going after as his core base, he needed to destroy the appearance of integrity with Cruz.

Thus "Lying Ted" was born.  He sent out his minions to perpetuate the lie that Ted is a liar and had them post every insult they could think of with "TED" on the end of the word.  It worked.

Destroying a man's honor and integrity is even worse than attacking his family, imo.  When one has lost everything, one still has one's integrity.

Donald Trump is scum.  How anyone could support such a dishonorable man, I cannot comprehend.

Meanwhile Donald Trump has openly and obviously lied his way through this whole campaign.

Just 1 example. When he claimed his was in the green room with Putin to today when he claims he never met Putin. Both statements can't be true.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: driftdiver on July 28, 2016, 04:35:57 pm
RE: "Lying Ted"

As someone earlier in the thread pointed out, Cruz's greatest appeal to the voters was and is his integrity.

"TrustTED" was fantastic branding and Trump recognized this.  He knows that branding appeals to the LIV.  Since the LIV folks were the very same folks that Trump was going after as his core base, he needed to destroy the appearance of integrity with Cruz.

Thus "Lying Ted" was born.  He sent out his minions to perpetuate the lie that Ted is a liar and had them post every insult they could think of with "TED" on the end of the word.  It worked.

Destroying a man's honor and integrity is even worse than attacking his family, imo.  When one has lost everything, one still has one's integrity.

Donald Trump is scum.  How anyone could support such a dishonorable man, I cannot comprehend.

And the lemmings followed right alone.  One thing Trump is very good at, slick sales and marketing campaigns.   He knows his audience and how to manipulate them.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: JustPassinThru on July 28, 2016, 04:37:41 pm
RE: "Lying Ted"

As someone earlier in the thread pointed out, Cruz's greatest appeal to the voters was and is his integrity.

"TrustTED" was fantastic branding and Trump recognized this.  He knows that branding appeals to the LIV.  Since the LIV folks were the very same folks that Trump was going after as his core base, he needed to destroy the appearance of integrity with Cruz.

Thus "Lying Ted" was born.  He sent out his minions to perpetuate the lie that Ted is a liar and had them post every insult they could think of with "TED" on the end of the word.  It worked.

Destroying a man's honor and integrity is even worse than attacking his family, imo.  When one has lost everything, one still has one's integrity.

Donald Trump is scum.  How anyone could support such a dishonorable man, I cannot comprehend.

EXCELLENT summation.

What it shows, is the folly of allowing low-information voters to vote.  Remember, voting is NOT a Constitutional right.  STATES determine the qualification of voters - and in the past, it was related to land ownership or tax payments. 

We need to return to that.  A stipulation that to vote, a resident must as determined by State, either pay a base minimum in Income Taxes, or own land worth a threshold amount.  Keep the Free Sh_t Army voters out of the polls.

It will never happen, though, so long as we have Alinskyite street agitators or Republican solicitors of Low Information Voters who watch Reality TV, in charge.

I guess the collapse has to happen.  We must hit bottom before starting back up...if we do start back up...
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: JustPassinThru on July 28, 2016, 05:25:10 pm
I agree.  It will never happen, but it needs to happen.  An IQ test and a test to prove basic knowledge of government and current events would help as well.  Many of the LIVs that supported Trump own land, amazing as it is since he supports Kelo.  :shrug:

There will always be a few who slip through.  There are a fair amount of high-IQ voters who're voting for Her Hillaryness, too.

The trick is to, not try to block every one, but keep out the bulk of them.  Simple land-ownership requirements would stop most.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Night Hides Not on July 28, 2016, 05:28:03 pm
There will always be a few who slip through.  There are a fair amount of high-IQ voters who're voting for Her Hillaryness, too.

The trick is to, not try to block every one, but keep out the bulk of them.  Simple land-ownership requirements would stop most.

Not after Kelo...   :beer:
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: sneakypete on July 28, 2016, 06:13:11 pm
Exactly.  The lies are legion.  He rivals Hillary and is possibly a bigger pathological liar than she.



I think he is. She generally seems to lie in order to cover her crimes and profits. Trump lies automatically about everything. He lies when the truth would actually work better for him,and he lies when there is absolutely nothing to gain by lying or even speaking about the subject.

Bubbette! is just evil. Trump is both evil AND insane.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: musiclady on July 28, 2016, 06:35:36 pm
I think he is. She generally seems to lie in order to cover her crimes and profits. Trump lies automatically about everything. He lies when the truth would actually work better for him,and he lies when there is absolutely nothing to gain by lying or even speaking about the subject.

Bubbette! is just evil. Trump is both evil AND insane.

Sums it up perfectly.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: INVAR on July 28, 2016, 07:02:21 pm
Well, Norm, this is the reason we have a Congress with a couple of warriors for Liberty and a host of 'centrists' and Liberals.

The "He's our Liberal" or our "lesser evil" argument has been winning elections for too long.
There is a comforting convenience in electing the status quo, people have the same somethings to bitch about, the same things to get angry about, like that ache in a knee or elbow in the morning, those problems, those chains are an old friend.

Your comment triggered a scripture to my mind:

"One man there had been an invalid for thirty-eight years. Jesus saw him lying there and realized he had already been there a long time. “Do you want to be healed?” He asked." - John 5:5-6

One would think that a crippled invalid of 38 years would have no need of such a question to be asked, but the truth is that human nature often PREFERS to remain in what people are comfortable with, even heinous disease and debilitating injuries, rather than risk something different that would require them to act and be responsible.

I cannot tell yo the number of folks that I know that prefer to be in a state of enslavement, to an addiction - to poverty - to abuse… because it is within their comfort zone and they feel they can better manage misery than the frightening aspect of being completely free in the wilderness of the unknown risk.

Same is true with those who remain in an apostate church or group.  Even though it is clear the foundational principles that they assumed would forever be present in their organization are no longer welcome - many remain in the false hope they can somehow influence the organization go back to what they once were, or they throw up their hands and tell themselves to remain loyal because God will work it all out for them.

And without fail - I have watched such congregations and groups come to nothing - or remain a shadow of what they were with declining presence and influence, while those that left to start new endeavors that champion what they cherish - grow and thrive, even though it is slow and sometimes depressing at first.

Slaves on the plantation will not risk liberty, even though they know they are hated and punished for who they are.  So they will continue to serve their masters, and suffer abuse and being discarded because they bought the lie that there is no life for them off of the plantation.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on July 28, 2016, 08:32:33 pm
EXCELLENT summation.

What it shows, is the folly of allowing low-information voters to vote.  Remember, voting is NOT a Constitutional right.  STATES determine the qualification of voters - and in the past, it was related to land ownership or tax payments. 

We need to return to that.  A stipulation that to vote, a resident must as determined by State, either pay a base minimum in Income Taxes, or own land worth a threshold amount.  Keep the Free Sh_t Army voters out of the polls.

It will never happen, though, so long as we have Alinskyite street agitators or Republican solicitors of Low Information Voters who watch Reality TV, in charge.

I guess the collapse has to happen.  We must hit bottom before starting back up...if we do start back up...

Nice goal to strive for, to have some skin the game.

I set the bar lower but still a worthy goal:  No one votes if cannot pass drug test, on welfare or pays no taxes.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: wolfcreek on July 28, 2016, 09:44:06 pm
You didn't answer my question. Right at the top of that post, so you didn't have to ignore the whole thing to ignore it.

My question is what you think your criticism of Trump is accomplishing?

How about the fact it helps Hillary?

You people suck.

Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: geronl on July 28, 2016, 09:52:27 pm
My question is what you think your criticism of Trump is accomplishing?

How about the fact it helps Hillary?

You people suck.

Pointing out the truth about Trump is a bad thing? Truth..bad...umm...
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Norm Lenhart on July 28, 2016, 09:56:56 pm
I don't know where you're getting that and I don't care.  Romney is not an abortionist; and he is not a candidate.

That election is DONE.  We have to look ahead - and since there is no workable alternative, in any direction, we have to figure out what to do with the inevitable train-wreck that's coming.

I do not recall saying he was an abortionist. I said he passed laws enabling abortion and then profited from those very laws via Stericycle. Which he did.

I get the impression you don't care because you are making excuses for him, defending him and want to 'move on' rather than deal with the reality that some people on the right, who CLAIM to be conservative, voted for him anyway and have ZERO regret about it. People like Levin for example, who then go out and profit themselves from the further spread of liberalism while claiming they are 'conservative.' That has consequences as people listen to what this fool has to say, think it is gospel, and then go vote for the same liberals he does because he told them to.

Which we can see clearly by all the votes Mitt, Jonbon, Bitch and soon, Trump will get thanks to his efforts. And that conservatism stuff? Who really cares about that anyway. Just words...
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Cripplecreek on July 28, 2016, 09:57:21 pm
Pointing out the truth about Trump is a bad thing? Truth..bad...umm...

I don't care enough about this election to care who is helped or harmed by anything. After all, Trump hasn't exactly embraced constitutional conservatives any more than Clinton has. :shrug:
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Norm Lenhart on July 28, 2016, 09:57:49 pm
My question is what you think your criticism of Trump is accomplishing?

How about the fact it helps Hillary?

You people suck.

People who vote for lifetime liberals suck.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: geronl on July 28, 2016, 10:02:02 pm
People who vote for lifetime liberals suck.

(https://barbarah.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/crabby-old-lady.jpg) "Why you unhelpful Trump hater!"
"Stop that, your helping Hillary!"
"Don't bash liberals, bash Hillary and her cankles. Leave liberals like Trump alone! Or we'll go to your house and beat you up and leave 100 immigrant kids living with you!"
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Norm Lenhart on July 28, 2016, 10:05:33 pm
(https://barbarah.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/crabby-old-lady.jpg) "Why you unhelpful Trump hater!"
"Stop that, your helping Hillary!"
"Don't bash liberals, bash Hillary and her cankles. Leave liberals like Trump alone! Or we'll go to your house and beat you up and leave 100 immigrant kids living with you!"

That's actually what it comes down to, kidding aside. They don't want liberalism bashed, interfered with or heaven forbid, stopped.

They want it in power which is why they consistently, election after election, vote for liberal 'republicans'. Didn't Solomon say something about splitting the baby? Too bad these brain donors think split babies are a path to victory. Literally.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: geronl on July 28, 2016, 10:08:51 pm
That's actually what it comes down to, kidding aside. They don't want liberalism bashed, interfered with or heaven forbid, stopped.

They want it in power which is why they consistently, election after election, vote for liberal 'republicans'. Didn't Solomon say something about splitting the baby? Too bad these brain donors think split babies are a path to victory. Literally.

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: LMAO on July 28, 2016, 10:10:34 pm
(https://barbarah.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/crabby-old-lady.jpg)

Where's her "Make America Great Again" hat
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Norm Lenhart on July 28, 2016, 10:17:23 pm
:thumbsup:

I'd like to see every one of these liberals have to watch an abortion in person before being allowed to vote for their pro-baby killing candidate each election.

Thats only fair afterall. And we all hear about how fairness is a hallmark of the Trump campaign. It should be no issue at all. They support the man thats fine with it, ergo they are fine with it.

What could be more fair? Let them get a good personal look at what their vote is enabling so they cannot be called LIVs. We could even have a Kickstarter to buy them a nice Spaghetti dinner after.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Idaho_Cowboy on July 28, 2016, 10:19:59 pm
My question is what you think your criticism of Trump is accomplishing?

How about the fact it helps Hillary?

You people suck.
If Trump weren't on the wrong side of the truth this wouldn't be an issue. We need no excuse to tell the truth about either candidate.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Idaho_Cowboy on July 28, 2016, 10:21:08 pm
I do not recall saying he was an abortionist. I said he passed laws enabling abortion and then profited from those very laws via Stericycle. Which he did.

I get the impression you don't care because you are making excuses for him, defending him and want to 'move on' rather than deal with the reality that some people on the right, who CLAIM to be conservative, voted for him anyway and have ZERO regret about it. People like Levin for example, who then go out and profit themselves from the further spread of liberalism while claiming they are 'conservative.' That has consequences as people listen to what this fool has to say, think it is gospel, and then go vote for the same liberals he does because he told them to.

Which we can see clearly by all the votes Mitt, Jonbon, Bitch and soon, Trump will get thanks to his efforts. And that conservatism stuff? Who really cares about that anyway. Just words...
Well said Norm. Murder is kind of a big deal.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Norm Lenhart on July 28, 2016, 10:21:59 pm
Well said Norm. Murder is kind of a big deal.

To some of us at least.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: geronl on July 28, 2016, 10:22:51 pm
Where's her "Make America Great Again" hat

lol. That would have been funnier but I didn't want to spend any actual effort on it.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: geronl on July 28, 2016, 10:24:07 pm
I'd like to see every one of these liberals have to watch an abortion in person before being allowed to vote for their pro-baby killing candidate each election.

I'd rather not have the abortions happen at all than that, though.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Norm Lenhart on July 28, 2016, 10:38:44 pm
I'd rather not have the abortions happen at all than that, though.

Ideally. But thanks to these liberals in 'conservative' clothing, they will continue with their literal blessing. Their vote for pro abortion candidates. So let them get a good look at the consequence of their desire to empower it.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Labette on July 28, 2016, 10:56:39 pm
And you have been told, frequently, to tone down the insults. You're timed out.

Well, I had been wondering what happened to Mechanicos.  It took a little digging. Let me get this straight...

catfish1957  said on July 23, 2016, 09:49:01 AM -> " Mechanicos is a serial liar, who gets his marching orders from TOS.  Pretty much have gotten used to it."

Mechanicos replied -> "Kicking your ass with truth buddy is not lying. You obviously cannot tell a liar from a truth teller."

And your response, Mod2, was to whack Mechanicos. Only.  Got it. This reinforces my suspicions about this place.

Ironically, a picture of the Gipper is on the home page. If he were still here, he would verbally bitchslap the lot of you.
 
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Jazzhead on July 28, 2016, 11:02:05 pm
My question is what you think your criticism of Trump is accomplishing?

How about the fact it helps Hillary?

You people suck.

That's actually a fair question, which I've thought about quite a bit.   For a lot of us,  I bet, this is a political year like no other.  I've been voting for forty years,  and I've never before faced a situation where the candidate of my party is simply unacceptable.   I understand the need for solidarity -  political change is never accomplished without it.   Solidarity is a virtue,  and I take no joy in refusing to support the GOP nominee.    I certainly understand why folks like wolfcreek think folks like me suck.   

It helps to rationalize that Trump is the nominee as the result of an insurrection,  one I believe is profoundly illegitimate.   But I know wolfcreek disagrees,  and thinks I ought to unite with him against a common foe.   And I've always urged the same.   Why do I feel differently now?

Trumps lacks the qualifications to be President.   And I'm not talking about political experience, or ideological bona fides.  I'm talking about Trump's basic temperament and personality pathologies that may allow him to ruthlessly build a business empire, but could cause a ruinous calamity in the job of President.    He is self-centered,  megalomaniacal,  doesn't take advice,  lacks any sort of filter,  is cynical and ruthless,  acts impulsively,  has a vindictive streak, runs his mouth like a sewer,  consorts with mobsters, makes a mockery of the office itself, and makes us a laughingstock before the world.

Partisanship is fine,  solidarity is fine,  but Trump is existentially dangerous.   Dangerous in a way that Hillary Clinton, as cynical and corrupt and brain-dead leftist as she is,  doesn't approach.    I don't need Trump's SCOTUS picks, not if he's going to shove us all down the rathole of a racialist and dystopian future.

 I must vote my conscience and my faith in the America I was brought up to love.  Sorry, wolfcreek, and it hurts me just as much as it hurts you.     
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: geronl on July 28, 2016, 11:10:13 pm
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/2b/45/43/2b45432c199a4d2b96ccb1f51ba02362.jpg)

Husband: I'm voting for Castle.

Wife: I'm voting for Johnson.

Neighborhood eavesdropper: "OH My Gawd, they're helping Hillary, those traitors! I better inform Trump Central about this!"
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Jazzhead on July 28, 2016, 11:14:20 pm
Ideally. But thanks to these liberals in 'conservative' clothing, they will continue with their literal blessing. Their vote for pro abortion candidates. So let them get a good look at the consequence of their desire to empower it.

The tragedy is compounded when politics gets in the way of saving lives.   We all know what to do to reduce the number of abortions,  and we can do them without having to wait for the political wars to force the overturning of Roe v. Wade.  Criminalizing abortion isn't going to make any meaningful difference;  persuasion, education and support for options will.   
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: INVAR on July 28, 2016, 11:15:02 pm
I guess for most folks the idea that we suffered a velvet coup is something they just refuse to comprehend, yet the evidence is staring at them right in the face.

If some folks actually think talking negative about Trump is helping Hillary - they are absolutely CLUELESS and REFUSE to see what has already taken place.

Liberals/Establishment Leftists will forever be the only candidates permitted to "win" in either major party from this time forward.  The GOP is already going full tilt to war against TEA Party reps running for reelection by fielding their own Democrat-Lite Establishment cronies.

Cook County went national people.  If the DNC can rig their elections to ensure Hildabeast is their champion, what makes you people think they are not doing that for the General???



Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: JustPassinThru on July 28, 2016, 11:15:37 pm
Well said Norm. Murder is kind of a big deal.

And Rodham, Trumpy and the johnson all support it and in some cases have enabled it.

So this is different, how, then?

Yes, I share your views.  Right now we have a choice of Pro-Abort or Pro-Abort or Pro-Abort.  Let's get REAL here

In any event a President has no control over abortion.  NONE.  Only a Constitutional Amendment will change that.  Whether by the Congress or by an Article V Convention.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Jazzhead on July 28, 2016, 11:20:09 pm
.In any event a President has no control over abortion.

No, he does not.   But the misconception that the President does decides elections,  and has likely led to the breakdown of comity in this nation.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: sneakypete on July 28, 2016, 11:43:21 pm
I don't care enough about this election to care who is helped or harmed by anything. After all, Trump hasn't exactly embraced constitutional conservatives any more than Clinton has. :shrug:

BINGO! Both of them and the people that back them,mostly the SAME people, just want to turn me into a slave of World Wide Government,Inc,so why should I or anyone else give a flip about either one being harmed by anything I say.

In fact,I wish there were a few words I could say to both of them that would make them stroke out so we could get two different candidate. One new one ain't enough. We need TWO new ones at a minimum,
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Bigun on July 28, 2016, 11:59:32 pm
Well, I had been wondering what happened to Mechanicos.  It took a little digging. Let me get this straight...

catfish1957  said on July 23, 2016, 09:49:01 AM -> " Mechanicos is a serial liar, who gets his marching orders from TOS.  Pretty much have gotten used to it."

Mechanicos replied -> "Kicking your ass with truth buddy is not lying. You obviously cannot tell a liar from a truth teller."

And your response, Mod2, was to whack Mechanicos. Only.  Got it. This reinforces my suspicions about this place.

Ironically, a picture of the Gipper is on the home page. If he were still here, he would verbally bitchslap the lot of you.

You obviously missed ALL of the MANY warnings, all ignored,  to Mechanicos PRIOR to this incident!
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Idaho_Cowboy on July 29, 2016, 12:00:33 am
Well, I had been wondering what happened to Mechanicos.  It took a little digging. Let me get this straight...

catfish1957  said on July 23, 2016, 09:49:01 AM -> " Mechanicos is a serial liar, who gets his marching orders from TOS.  Pretty much have gotten used to it."

Mechanicos replied -> "Kicking your ass with truth buddy is not lying. You obviously cannot tell a liar from a truth teller."

And your response, Mod2, was to whack Mechanicos. Only.  Got it. This reinforces my suspicions about this place.

Ironically, a picture of the Gipper is on the home page. If he were still here, he would verbally bitchslap the lot of you.
I don't want to stir the pot here, but @catfish1957 wasn't saying anything untrue. This thread and others are chock full of @mechanico's categorically false statements. Furthermore I'd be happy to dig up the link where he posted on TOS to get more ammunition to throw at his dreaded enemy the #NeverTrumps.

Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: geronl on July 29, 2016, 12:08:48 am
The tragedy is compounded when politics gets in the way of saving lives.   We all know what to do to reduce the number of abortions,  and we can do them without having to wait for the political wars to force the overturning of Roe v. Wade.  Criminalizing abortion isn't going to make any meaningful difference;  persuasion, education and support for options will.   

Not giving it tax funding and not mandating hospitals and insurance companies to do them and cover them would be nice.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Victoria33 on July 29, 2016, 12:30:01 am
My question is what you think your criticism of Trump is accomplishing?
How about the fact it helps Hillary?
You people suck.

Hillary is not insane and Trump is.  Trump will likely kill us all by pushing the red button and she will not.  I won't chance my life and my family's lives with Trump.  I will vote for Hillary rather than him.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Cripplecreek on July 29, 2016, 12:37:08 am
Hillary is not insane and Trump is.  Trump will likely kill us all by pushing the red button and she will not.  I won't chance my life and my family's lives with Trump.  I will vote for Hillary rather than him.

While I won't vote for Clinton I will say that she at least learns from her mistakes. She may not learn the right lesson but she won't repeat the same mistakes. There wouldn't be a second Benghazi on her watch because she knows she can't let it happen again.

Trump can't admit that he is even capable of making mistakes  which means he can't learn from them. If he makes a mistake he blames someone else, fires them and moves on without a look back. That's exactly the kind of thing that will get people killed and then we'll get excuses like blaming it on a video.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: sneakypete on July 29, 2016, 12:49:41 am

Trump can't admit that he is even capable of making mistakes  which means he can't learn from them. If he makes a mistake he blames someone else, fires them and moves on without a look back. That's exactly the kind of thing that will get people killed and then we'll get excuses like blaming it on a video.

BINGO!
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on July 29, 2016, 12:57:54 am
Well, I had been wondering what happened to Mechanicos.  It took a little digging. Let me get this straight...

catfish1957  said on July 23, 2016, 09:49:01 AM -> " Mechanicos is a serial liar, who gets his marching orders from TOS.  Pretty much have gotten used to it."

Mechanicos replied -> "Kicking your ass with truth buddy is not lying. You obviously cannot tell a liar from a truth teller."

And your response, Mod2, was to whack Mechanicos. Only.  Got it. This reinforces my suspicions about this place.

Ironically, a picture of the Gipper is on the home page. If he were still here, he would verbally bitchslap the lot of you.

You conveniently forgot to mention the many times that serial liar was called out by many and no admission or apology ever came out.

Ronnie would be proud to call a liar a liar and not just ignore the problem, so you are way way off there.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: DB on July 29, 2016, 02:06:32 am
Well, I had been wondering what happened to Mechanicos.  It took a little digging. Let me get this straight...

catfish1957  said on July 23, 2016, 09:49:01 AM -> " Mechanicos is a serial liar, who gets his marching orders from TOS.  Pretty much have gotten used to it."

Mechanicos replied -> "Kicking your ass with truth buddy is not lying. You obviously cannot tell a liar from a truth teller."

And your response, Mod2, was to whack Mechanicos. Only.  Got it. This reinforces my suspicions about this place.

Ironically, a picture of the Gipper is on the home page. If he were still here, he would verbally bitchslap the lot of you.

Right... His love for the Gipper was so great that he couldn't even spell his name correctly repeatedly. He spelled it "Regan"... Sorry, no fan of Reagan would do that as often as he did.

And as far as lies go, he did it over and over and never admitted it ever even after it was pointed out with references. At some point a lie is a lie and can't be ignored.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Gov Bean Counter on July 29, 2016, 02:11:52 am
Right... His love for the Gipper was so great that he couldn't even spell his name correctly repeatedly. He spelled it "Regan"... Sorry, no fan of Reagan would do that as often as he did.

And as far as lies go, he did it over and over and never admitted it ever even after it was pointed out with references. At some point a lie is a lie and can't be ignored.

I accused him of being an outsourced disruptor from India and later asked him how things were going in Mumbai.

Shortly after I got a directive to edit or remove the offensive post. Trump snowflakes can take it but melt when the heat gets turned up.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: musiclady on July 29, 2016, 02:53:30 am
Well, I had been wondering what happened to Mechanicos.  It took a little digging. Let me get this straight...

catfish1957  said on July 23, 2016, 09:49:01 AM -> " Mechanicos is a serial liar, who gets his marching orders from TOS.  Pretty much have gotten used to it."

Mechanicos replied -> "Kicking your ass with truth buddy is not lying. You obviously cannot tell a liar from a truth teller."

And your response, Mod2, was to whack Mechanicos. Only.  Got it. This reinforces my suspicions about this place.

Ironically, a picture of the Gipper is on the home page. If he were still here, he would verbally bitchslap the lot of you.

Well, I see that you have been corrected a number of times already, but it bears repeating @Labette

Mechanicos' untruths were nearly pathological, and repeated in spite of warnings to stop slandering others on TBR.

Maybe you think slander in the name of the Almighty Trump is acceptable, but morally it is repugnant.

And maybe you think that whining when you are clueless as to what really happened is somehow noble, but it just makes you look ignorant.

I realize that to follow Trump as you do, you have to be tolerant of outright lying, as Trump does nearly every day, but it's not acceptable among the decent folks at TBR.  There are other places that think as you do, that lying in the name of Trump is A-OK, but you're not going to make many friends around here standing up for the people who do it.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: geronl on July 29, 2016, 04:14:15 am
@Labette , @catfish1957 was telling the truth.  @Mechanicos fibs as often, if not more often, than Trump!  I know...  hard to imagine, but he does.

He would have already posted the ridiculous meme that Ted Cruz was at the DNC applauding Hillary, in capital letters and in several subforums
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Frank Cannon on July 29, 2016, 04:18:53 am
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Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 29, 2016, 06:18:53 am
That's not confined to the Military! That is the story of the entire federal government!  Come to think of it it is the story of government in general no matter what level!
Don't leave out that the importance of your department is determined more by size than the job it does in the grand scheme of things. The twenty guys or fewer who generate the software that puts a SLBM on target are less important than the department that cleans the facility, because their department is less than half the size.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: txradioguy on July 29, 2016, 08:10:59 am
Well, I had been wondering what happened to Mechanicos.  It took a little digging. Let me get this straight...

catfish1957  said on July 23, 2016, 09:49:01 AM -> " Mechanicos is a serial liar, who gets his marching orders from TOS.  Pretty much have gotten used to it."

Mechanicos replied -> "Kicking your ass with truth buddy is not lying. You obviously cannot tell a liar from a truth teller."

And your response, Mod2, was to whack Mechanicos. Only.  Got it. This reinforces my suspicions about this place.

Ironically, a picture of the Gipper is on the home page. If he were still here, he would verbally bitchslap the lot of you.

Mech is that you?
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Just_Victor on July 29, 2016, 11:22:24 am
Mech is that you?

@Mechanicos finally got himself banned.  And here I thought he was absent all week because he had a convention to attend.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Mod2 on July 29, 2016, 11:53:37 am
@Mechanicos finally got himself banned.  And here I thought he was absent all week because he had a convention to attend.

Not banned. Got a 24 hour suspension, which expired on the 24th July.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Jazzhead on July 29, 2016, 12:09:55 pm
Not giving it tax funding and not mandating hospitals and insurance companies to do them and cover them would be nice.

Agreed - and that's been the basic consensus for decades now.  Recognizing that folks of conscience disagree on this issue,  it's been agreed that citizens should not be forced by means of their tax dollars to pay for a procedure they find profoundly immoral,  and to respect the integrity of medical services providers who take oaths to do no harm.

That's what's so astonishing about the new Dem platform - it seeks to overturn that consensus, and perhaps destroy the last vestiges of comity left in our political process.   And then Hillary has the cojones to declare from the stage that she seeks to unite us?   
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: cato potatoe on July 29, 2016, 01:17:13 pm
Does anybody else think Trump sealed his fate here?  The door was propped open by Hillary's emails.  Then Trump slammed it shut by repulsing a fraction of conservative Republicans, a group that usually gives their nominee 100% support. 

If Trump were not such an amateur, he would have apologized to Cruz after the Indiana primary.  Then it is likely Cruz would have endorsed Trump by name prior the general election.  At the very least, Trump could have spun the Cruz speech as a positive and said he hoped to win Ted's full support later on.  Then he could have graciously offered to call on every non-endorser for advice as needed.

The man does not know what he's doing, and unless Hillary runs the worst campaign in history, she is going to be the next president. 
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: guitar4jesus on July 29, 2016, 01:23:17 pm
The man does not know what he's doing, and unless Hillary runs the worst campaign in history, she is going to be the next president.

He knows what he's doing...
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: skeeter on July 29, 2016, 01:23:49 pm
Does anybody else think Trump sealed his fate here?  The door was propped open by Hillary's emails.  Then Trump slammed it shut by repulsing a fraction of conservative Republicans, a group that usually gives their nominee 100% support. 

If Trump were not such an amateur, he would have apologized to Cruz after the Indiana primary.  Then it is likely Cruz would have endorsed Trump by name prior the general election.  At the very least, Trump could have spun the Cruz speech as a positive and said he hoped to win Ted's full support later on.  Then he could have graciously offered to call on every non-endorser for advice as needed.

The man does not know what he's doing, and unless Hillary runs the worst campaign in history, she is going to be the next president.

Trump is his own worst enemy, obviously.

Of course this will not stop his supporters from blaming everyone but him should things go south.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Bigun on July 29, 2016, 01:31:23 pm
Don't leave out that the importance of your department is determined more by size than the job it does in the grand scheme of things. The twenty guys or fewer who generate the software that puts a SLBM on target are less important than the department that cleans the facility, because their department is less than half the size.

OH absolutely!  And supervisory paychecks are based on the number of people under your supervision so the ONLY incentive is to make it grow!
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Cripplecreek on July 29, 2016, 01:31:35 pm
Does anybody else think Trump sealed his fate here?  The door was propped open by Hillary's emails.  Then Trump slammed it shut by repulsing a fraction of conservative Republicans, a group that usually gives their nominee 100% support. 

If Trump were not such an amateur, he would have apologized to Cruz after the Indiana primary.  Then it is likely Cruz would have endorsed Trump by name prior the general election.  At the very least, Trump could have spun the Cruz speech as a positive and said he hoped to win Ted's full support later on.  Then he could have graciously offered to call on every non-endorser for advice as needed.

The man does not know what he's doing, and unless Hillary runs the worst campaign in history, she is going to be the next president.

Trump sealed his fate with his own behavior period.

You could have asked me 20 years ago if I would ever consider voting for Donald Trump and I would have told you know while walking away laughing.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: DCPatriot on July 29, 2016, 01:56:42 pm
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Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: txradioguy on July 29, 2016, 01:59:38 pm
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Trump doesn't look good in orange.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Cripplecreek on July 29, 2016, 02:02:40 pm
Trump doesn't look good in orange.

They're just admitting that we were right all along. Nominate Trump and Clinton will become president.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: geronl on July 29, 2016, 02:07:17 pm
Agreed - and that's been the basic consensus for decades now. 

I wish. The government has been funding Planned Parenthood for a very long time, hardly a consensus against that. At least among politicians.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: skeeter on July 29, 2016, 02:09:47 pm
They're just admitting that we were right all along. Nominate Trump and Clinton will become president.

I thought this election was supposed to be something new, but its looking a whole lot like the last two or three.

Vote for our guy 'cause their guy is worse. I am so tired of this.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: catfish1957 on July 29, 2016, 02:19:51 pm


You people suck.

So you think principled conservatives suck.....    That speaks volumes about you.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: JustPassinThru on July 29, 2016, 02:26:40 pm
I thought this election was supposed to be something new, but its looking a whole lot like the last two or three.

Vote for our guy 'cause their guy is worse. I am so tired of this.

This time they crossed a line.

I voted for Romney - enthusiastically, even.  Less so for McCain; but the country wasn't in the dire straits it is now.  But while those were not exciting choices, they were real choices.  No one could say either of them were stealth Democrats.  Romney was a liberal but not an economic idiot.  McCain was a doofus but he wouldn't take marching orders from hard-left academia and unions.  Not to the extent that the African Moslem has.

THIS time the RNC went all out.  They were going to hoist up their pet, Shrub, because he knew how to win the nomination without us yukky base voters.  That failed; and they found the next-best thing.  A LUNATIC who'd say ANYTHING as long as the camera was focused on his orange fake-tan skin; a guy with no principles who was trying out buzzwords to see what the crowd loved.

The RNC found its stooge.  Worship him and he'll behave; and if he can't deliver the election, at least he'll keep the White House from crackpots like Cruz and Walker and all those limited-government crazies.

This was a different election, all right.  NEVER before have we seen such contempt four our values, our nation, or very person.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Bigun on July 29, 2016, 02:27:32 pm
I thought this election was supposed to be something new, but its looking a whole lot like the last two or three.

Vote for our guy 'cause their guy is worse. I am so tired of this.

You ain't alone! Not playing that game no mo!  Had enough!
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: skeeter on July 29, 2016, 02:30:30 pm
This time they crossed a line.

I voted for Romney - enthusiastically, even.  Less so for McCain; but the country wasn't in the dire straits it is now.  But while those were not exciting choices, they were real choices.  No one could say either of them were stealth Democrats.  Romney was a liberal but not an economic idiot.  McCain was a doofus but he wouldn't take marching orders from hard-left academia and unions.  Not to the extent that the African Moslem has.

THIS time the RNC went all out.  They were going to hoist up their pet, Shrub, because he knew how to win the nomination without us yukky base voters.  That failed; and they found the next-best thing.  A LUNATIC who'd say ANYTHING as long as the camera was focused on his orange fake-tan skin; a guy with no principles who was trying out buzzwords to see what the crowd loved.

The RNC found its stooge.  Worship him and he'll behave; and if he can't deliver the election, at least he'll keep the White House from crackpots like Cruz and Walker and all those limited-government crazies.

This was a different election, all right.  NEVER before have we seen such contempt four our values, our nation, or very person.

The GOPe is probably as surprised as they are delighted in the way things have turned out. For awhile there it looked like Trump might be the change they were dreading.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: catfish1957 on July 29, 2016, 02:30:42 pm
Well, I had been wondering what happened to Mechanicos.  It took a little digging. Let me get this straight...

catfish1957  said on July 23, 2016, 09:49:01 AM -> " Mechanicos is a serial liar, who gets his marching orders from TOS.  Pretty much have gotten used to it."

Mechanicos replied -> "Kicking your ass with truth buddy is not lying. You obviously cannot tell a liar from a truth teller."

And your response, Mod2, was to whack Mechanicos. Only.  Got it. This reinforces my suspicions about this place.

Ironically, a picture of the Gipper is on the home page. If he were still here, he would verbally bitchslap the lot of you.

I seriously doubt RWR would have cared for Repubs who continuously have a tenuous relationship with the truth like Mech.

I also seriously doubt RWR would care for his party being hijacked by a political chameleon who has no ideological or moral compass or base.

Just because you care to partake of the orange koolaid, others of us "principled conservatives" would rather not.  RWR would be bitchslappin' the orange hoard instead.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: JustPassinThru on July 29, 2016, 02:31:41 pm
My question is what you think your criticism of Trump is accomplishing?

How about the fact it helps Hillary?

You people suck.

So, why is helping Trump better than helping Billary?

Go down the list.  How are they different?  They both lie; they both are megalomaniacs.  They both are incompetent.  They both are WAY past their Sell-By date - they're both 70.

Trump likes crony corporatism.  Billary likes crony cash.

Trump favors prenatal infanticide.  Billary does, too.

Trump wants to jack taxes and regulations, including the economic idiocy of Minimum Wage.  Billary wants more, but they're on the same page here.

They both hate trade.  They both love more immigrants - Trump tries to hide it, but look at the hiring practices at his Florida country club.   When that came out, that's when the RNC and their sponsor, the Chamber of (crony) Commerce, decided they loved Trump, too.

They both want to grow government.  Trump says, "better...smarter."  Ever see a smart bureaucracy?  Billary just wants more; but bureaucracy only comes in one flavor - Stupid.

So you have Yan and Yang.  Help one, hurt - maybe - the other.  Why does it matter which I choose?
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Cripplecreek on July 29, 2016, 02:31:52 pm
The GOPe is probably as surprised as they are delighted in the way things have turned out. For awhile there it looked like Trump might be the change they were dreading.

(http://i.imgur.com/8PA4vNh.png)
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: aligncare on July 29, 2016, 02:43:42 pm
Well, I had been wondering what happened to Mechanicos.  It took a little digging. Let me get this straight...

catfish1957  said on July 23, 2016, 09:49:01 AM -> " Mechanicos is a serial liar, who gets his marching orders from TOS.  Pretty much have gotten used to it."

Mechanicos replied -> "Kicking your ass with truth buddy is not lying. You obviously cannot tell a liar from a truth teller."

And your response, Mod2, was to whack Mechanicos. Only.  Got it. This reinforces my suspicions about this place.

Ironically, a picture of the Gipper is on the home page. If he were still here, he would verbally bitchslap the lot of you.

You notice that, too, huh? That goes on a lot around here....

Aah, ya' get used to it. Remember, Mods are susceptible to TDS, too, you know.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: sneakypete on July 29, 2016, 02:56:45 pm
Does anybody else think Trump sealed his fate here?  The door was propped open by Hillary's emails.  Then Trump slammed it shut by repulsing a fraction of conservative Republicans, a group that usually gives their nominee 100% support. 

If Trump were not such an amateur, he would have apologized to Cruz after the Indiana primary.  Then it is likely Cruz would have endorsed Trump by name prior the general election.  At the very least, Trump could have spun the Cruz speech as a positive and said he hoped to win Ted's full support later on.  Then he could have graciously offered to call on every non-endorser for advice as needed.

The man does not know what he's doing, and unless Hillary runs the worst campaign in history, she is going to be the next president.

If Trump were not crazy he would not be Trump.

Fish gotta swim,birds gotta fly.............
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: sneakypete on July 29, 2016, 02:59:11 pm
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You're welcome!

To all conservatives still acting like lemmings and voting for the least-sucky of two sucky anti-American choices,may the bird of paradise take a dump in your Cheerios.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 29, 2016, 05:46:53 pm
The GOPe is probably as surprised as they are delighted in the way things have turned out. For awhile there it looked like Trump might be the change they were dreading.
Actually, a very short while. Trump said early on he could make deals with them, and that was a signal that for most of them they could expect business as usual, with a cut for Donny Inc.
Cruz was the one they feared, because he had already demonstrated they could not get him off track with their crap. He was going to hold the line as well as he could and at the very least shame them in the eyes of voters who wondered why their Senators were not joining him. All the excuses the rest of the GOP had were pretty thin gruel to feed constituents when there was even one guy up there in DC fighting.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 29, 2016, 05:54:10 pm
My question is what you think your criticism of Trump is accomplishing?

How about the fact it helps Hillary?

You people suck.
You still didn't answer my question.

I couldn't give a damn about Hillary, either, except she should be in orange coveralls in a maximum security prison, instead of surrounded by Secret Service Agents.

As for Trump, no I'm not helping him. I think he has the potential to be every bit as bad or possibly worse. At least the Congress would have to put up some token resistance to Hillary, just to keep their jobs. With Trump, it would be pedal to the metal as they actively backed every liberal taxpayer ripoff and he signed off on it. Our national debt is enormous now, without being "Yuuge".

Like I said before, I won't support either one of them. I'm voting Constitution Party.

As for
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You people suck.
I'll consider the source and ignore it.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Sanguine on July 29, 2016, 06:04:39 pm
You notice that, too, huh? That goes on a lot around here....

Aah, ya' get used to it. Remember, Mods are susceptible to TDS, too, you know.

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Good Dutch cheese to go with your whine.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Hoodat on July 29, 2016, 06:22:42 pm
My question is what you think your criticism of Trump is accomplishing?

How about the fact it helps Hillary?

It's Donald Trump's behavior and statements that help Hillary.  Why is it so difficult for you to recognize that?
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: txradioguy on July 29, 2016, 07:01:56 pm
It's Donald Trump's behavior and statements that help Hillary.  Why is it so difficult for you to recognize that?

Because Trump is perfect and can do know wrong /sarc
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: wolfcreek on July 29, 2016, 07:11:03 pm
(https://barbarah.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/crabby-old-lady.jpg) "Why you unhelpful Trump hater!"
"Stop that, your helping Hillary!"
"Don't bash liberals, bash Hillary and her cankles. Leave liberals like Trump alone! Or we'll go to your house and beat you up and leave 100 immigrant kids living with you!"

I'm starting to agree with you,. You're irrelevant so it doesn't much matter what you say.

No one is listening besides the echo chamber inmates.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: catfish1957 on July 29, 2016, 07:14:08 pm


No one is listening besides the echo chamber inmates.

Sounds more like you are referencing Freeperville
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: youknowwho on July 29, 2016, 07:18:13 pm
Sounds more like you are referencing Freeperville

Exactly.  No one is allowed an opposing view over there.  They have filthed the place up and now they are all wallowing in it.....
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: wolfcreek on July 29, 2016, 07:18:39 pm
That's actually what it comes down to, kidding aside. They don't want liberalism bashed, interfered with or heaven forbid, stopped.

They want it in power which is why they consistently, election after election, vote for liberal 'republicans'. Didn't Solomon say something about splitting the baby? Too bad these brain donors think split babies are a path to victory. Literally.

That's BS, Norm. We don't want a Obama third term skirt taking the White House.

You people who want the 'perfect' candidate [of which there were none] only hurt the chances of ever achieving your Utopia by encouraging those who might be on the fence to either vote for her or some third party wannabe.

If Hillary wins the Left will have control over the narrative and law for the next generation. That is my whole reason for even bothering to be here.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: skeeter on July 29, 2016, 07:18:46 pm
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You can't fool me. If you guys cared a wit about the US Constitution you would've voted for Ted Cruz.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: wolfcreek on July 29, 2016, 07:20:17 pm
Sounds more like you are referencing Freeperville

Look around, Man. I see a whole bunch of y'all. [including myself]
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: youknowwho on July 29, 2016, 07:23:45 pm
That's BS, Norm. We don't want a Obama third term skirt taking the White House.

You people who want the 'perfect' candidate [of which there were none] only hurt the chances of ever achieving your Utopia by encouraging those who might be on the fence to either vote for her or some third party wannabe.

If Hillary wins the Left will have control over the narrative and law for the next generation. That is my whole reason for even bothering to be here.

Well maybe your time, along with others should be spent emailing, tweeting, calling and facebook in Trump's team and telling him to lay off Conservatives, AS IN QUIT TRYING TO PRIMARY CRUZ and others he disagrees with, and get some gonads and go after Hillary!!   He has burned so many bridges and no one is holding his feet to the fire because his fans can't stop slobbering long long enough to see what he's doing. 
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: cato potatoe on July 29, 2016, 07:29:20 pm
Trump is his own worst enemy, obviously.

Of course this will not stop his supporters from blaming everyone but him should things go south.

They'll dump on Cruz.  He is already the designated scapegoat for their puny convention bounce.

Hillary is going to get a significant boost from her convention.  She did not antagonize Sanders to the point he could not throw his weight behind her.  The Democrats will have unity, and the Republicans will have a noisy, white trash intrafamily feud.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: skeeter on July 29, 2016, 07:34:41 pm
They'll dump on Cruz.  He is already the designated scapegoat for their puny convention bounce.

Hillary is going to get a significant boost from her convention.  She did not antagonize Sanders to the point he could not throw his weight behind her.  The Democrats will have unity, and the Republicans will have a noisy, white trash intrafamily feud.

The night Cruz spoke - the 3rd night - was the only night the GOP beat the DNC convention in ratings.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: wolfcreek on July 29, 2016, 07:43:58 pm
Well maybe your time, along with others should be spent emailing, tweeting, calling and facebook in Trump's team and telling him to lay off Conservatives, AS IN QUIT TRYING TO PRIMARY CRUZ and others he disagrees with, and get some gonads and go after Hillary!!   He has burned so many bridges and no one is holding his feet to the fire because his fans can't stop slobbering long long enough to see what he's doing.

Going after Clinton has become redundant [save that for the debates.]. Time to lay out policies
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: wolfcreek on July 29, 2016, 07:45:38 pm
The night Cruz spoke - the 3rd night - was the only night the GOP beat the DNC convention in ratings.

Thanks to the media's coverage and their polling.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: cato potatoe on July 29, 2016, 07:59:18 pm
You people who want the 'perfect' candidate [of which there were none] only hurt the chances of ever achieving your Utopia by encouraging those who might be on the fence to either vote for her or some third party wannabe.

Trump is the 'perfect' candidate for Hillary.  Trumptrain is an election losing machine!  We are powerless to stop it until it takes the party over a cliff.  This winter, he will write a book on how to hijack a party and blow an election.  I bet he will devote a full chapter to his favorite dupes.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Cripplecreek on July 29, 2016, 08:00:49 pm
Trump is the 'perfect' candidate for Hillary.  Trumptrain is an election losing machine!  We are powerless to stop it until it takes the party over a cliff.  This winter, he will write a book on how to hijack a party and blow an election.  I bet he will devote a full chapter to his favorite dupes.

All Aboard!

www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLf6pp5Tvk8
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: wolfcreek on July 29, 2016, 08:08:21 pm
Trump is the 'perfect' candidate for Hillary.  Trumptrain is an election losing machine!  We are powerless to stop it until it takes the party over a cliff.  This winter, he will write a book on how to hijack a party and blow an election.  I bet he will devote a full chapter to his favorite dupes.

So what happens if he wins?

You headed to the nunnery?
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Bigun on July 29, 2016, 08:09:26 pm
All Aboard!

www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLf6pp5Tvk8

I'm not goin!
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: skeeter on July 29, 2016, 08:10:57 pm
So what happens if he wins?

You headed to the nunnery?

Nah, I'll hang around to see if he will bother to do anything resembling what he promised the rubes to win their support early in the primaries.

If he does I'll happily eat crow.

If he doesn't what will you do?
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: wolfcreek on July 29, 2016, 08:31:37 pm
Nah, I'll hang around to see if he will bother to do anything resembling what he promised the rubes to win their support early in the primaries.

If he does I'll happily eat crow.

If he doesn't what will you do?

He wasn't my choice to begin with but, guess I'll pray Hillary gets a visit from an angel.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: musiclady on July 29, 2016, 08:43:19 pm
Trump is the 'perfect' candidate for Hillary.  Trumptrain is an election losing machine!  We are powerless to stop it until it takes the party over a cliff.  This winter, he will write a book on how to hijack a party and blow an election.  I bet he will devote a full chapter to his favorite dupes.

I find it hilarious that the devotees of a candidate with NO positive qualities have the audacity to attack those who cannot support a candidate with nothing but flaws of wanting a "perfect" candidate.

The vacuousness of their argument is breathtaking.

Not one person who opposes Trump has demanded either "perfection" or "utopia."

It's an entirely fabricated attack based on, IMO, the weakness of their candidate and their inner understanding that Trump is terrible at every level.  The only way they can justify supporting an evil man is to accuse those of us who oppose him of demanding "perfection."
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Bigun on July 29, 2016, 08:46:08 pm
I find it hilarious that the devotees of a candidate with NO positive qualities have the audacity to attack those who cannot support a candidate with nothing but flaws of wanting a "perfect" candidate.

The vacuousness of their argument is breathtaking.

Not one person who opposes Trump has demanded either "perfection" or "utopia."

It's an entirely fabricated attack based on, IMO, the weakness of their candidate and their inner understanding that Trump is terrible at every level.  The only way they can justify supporting an evil man is to accuse those of us who oppose him of demanding "perfection."

That is certainly as good an explanation as I have heard.  I concur.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: wolfcreek on July 29, 2016, 08:47:08 pm
I find it hilarious that the devotees of a candidate with NO positive qualities have the audacity to attack those who cannot support a candidate with nothing but flaws of wanting a "perfect" candidate.

The vacuousness of their argument is breathtaking.

Not one person who opposes Trump has demanded either "perfection" or "utopia."

It's an entirely fabricated attack based on, IMO, the weakness of their candidate and their inner understanding that Trump is terrible at every level.  The only way they can justify supporting an evil man is to accuse those of us who oppose him of demanding "perfection."

You keep laughing, sister. No one ever said Trump wasn't flawed. Everyone is.

But compared to Hillary, he's a saint.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: musiclady on July 29, 2016, 08:50:33 pm
That is certainly as good an explanation as I have heard.  I concur.

Thanks, Bigun.   I have been struck by the insecurity of Trump followers in that they cannot defend their deeply flawed candidate, so they level ludicrous accusations at everyone who refuses to support a loser like Trump.

People with confidence that they are doing the right thing don't behave in the way Trump-lovers do.

I think that down underneath their bullying and name-calling, they know they're supporting a dangerous man.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: wolfcreek on July 29, 2016, 08:51:16 pm
That is certainly as good an explanation as I have heard.  I concur.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5j8Jioan1w
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: skeeter on July 29, 2016, 09:10:12 pm
He wasn't my choice to begin with but, guess I'll pray Hillary gets a visit from an angel.

In my hypothetical Trump would be president. So you'd better pray that he gets the visit.

I honestly believe that the only difference between president Trump and president Hillary is that Hillary will feel obligated to offer the occasional SOP to the hard left. But its conceivable Trump will do exactly the same thing as she, since by his own admission is a pretty liberal guy and his ego will demand the media plaudits that usually accompany such PC initiatives.

On the other hand, Trump is right now demonstrating that a president Trump will feel no obligation whatsoever to do likewise for the conservative right.

Besides the occasional partisan gesture I'm convinced there will be very little difference between the two concerning how they'll likely run the country. Thats why I care very little who wins - I'm screwed both ways.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: geronl on July 29, 2016, 09:16:42 pm

You people who want the 'perfect' candidate

Trump is perfectly dreadful, no redeeming quality
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: txradioguy on July 29, 2016, 09:19:09 pm
There's no such thing as tur perfect candidate.  But some are more perfect than others.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: geronl on July 29, 2016, 09:19:45 pm
You keep laughing, sister. No one ever said Trump wasn't flawed. Everyone is.

But compared to Hillary, he's a saint.

compared to Hillary, they're almost twins
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: musiclady on July 29, 2016, 09:21:16 pm
Trump is perfectly dreadful, no redeeming quality

Exactly.  None.

Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: musiclady on July 29, 2016, 09:25:00 pm
compared to Hillary, they're almost twins

Actually, Trump has a few flaws that not even Hillary has.......

Perhaps the two worst candidates, and people, in the entire country are running for President.

Talk about not "perfect"............... they both belong in institutions.

I'd even accept a candidate who isn't a pathological liar or a reprobate.  At this point in time, I've never had such low standards, and Trump can't even look up far enough to see the bottom of my list.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 29, 2016, 10:05:26 pm
You can't fool me. If you guys cared a wit about the US Constitution you would've voted for Ted Cruz.
But DT was gonna protect and defend all 12 Articles! (not just the ones we have)

Considering that was the Constitutional equivalent of Obama's '57 states' gaffe, he will possibly get elected.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 29, 2016, 10:12:30 pm
So what happens if he wins?

You headed to the nunnery?
Nope. Proper planning prevents panic.

Bury the firearms and ammunition I don't expect to need right away.  I have spots picked out but things have been mighty busy around and I'd just as soon not have someone stumble across a cache.

Hide some more of the supplies. Print out a few more things I don't have in hard copy and pick up some stuff I can get cheap now that will make good trading stock or allow me to make things to trade.

Make popcorn and watch the end of the world on teevee until the ICBM launch.
I should be able to see at least some of the birds going up from outside.

Duck and cover.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Chieftain on July 29, 2016, 10:15:05 pm
Let's just keep pounding this thread into the frickin' ground, shall we??  Maybe someday we can finally get to the bottom of it.

For God's sake, would one of you so-called "Mods" please lock this thread??  Enough is enough!!

 :chairbang:
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Cripplecreek on July 29, 2016, 10:17:09 pm
Nope. Proper planning prevents panic.

Bury the firearms and ammunition I don't expect to need right away.  I have spots picked out but things have been mighty busy around and I'd just as soon not have someone stumble across a cache.

Hide some more of the supplies. Print out a few more things I don't have in hard copy and pick up some stuff I can get cheap now that will make good trading stock or allow me to make things to trade.

Make popcorn and watch the end of the world on teevee until the ICBM launch.
I should be able to see at least some of the birds going up from outside.

Duck and cover.

I've already gone on the record as calling for the impeachment of both of them just to hedge my bets.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Idaho_Cowboy on July 29, 2016, 10:17:42 pm
That's BS, Norm. We don't want a Obama third term skirt taking the White House.

You people who want the 'perfect' candidate [of which there were none] only hurt the chances of ever achieving your Utopia by encouraging those who might be on the fence to either vote for her or some third party wannabe.

If Hillary wins the Left will have control over the narrative and law for the next generation. That is my whole reason for even bothering to be here.
Which brings me to the Trumpsplaining tatic of the day:

Straw man:
A straw man is a common form of argument and is an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while actually refuting an argument that was not advanced by that opponent.

Almost all #Never Trumps would have been willing to settle for a number of flawed candidates. Trump however is simply a cog in the wheel of the Clinton Machine.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 29, 2016, 10:17:57 pm
Let's just keep pounding this thread into the frickin' ground, shall we??  Maybe someday we can finally get to the bottom of it.

For God's sake, would one of you so-called "Mods" please lock this thread??  Enough is enough!!

 :chairbang:
Why bother to lock the thread? We're having fun. If you don't want to play, no one is making you.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 29, 2016, 10:19:14 pm
I've already gone on the record as calling for the impeachment of both of them just to hedge my bets.
All we need is a Congress with bigger huevos than Hillary and it could happen.... :beer:
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Cripplecreek on July 29, 2016, 10:20:56 pm
Which brings me to the Trumpsplaining tatic of the day:

Straw man:
A straw man is a common form of argument and is an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while actually refuting an argument that was not advanced by that opponent.

Almost all #Never Trumps would have been willing to settle for a number of flawed candidates. Trump however is simply a cog in the wheel of the Clinton Machine.

Virtually anyone else who ran would be better and I'm including Lindsey Graham. Yes, I can accept imperfect
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 29, 2016, 10:26:00 pm
Virtually anyone else who ran would be better and I'm including Lindsey Graham. Yes, I can accept imperfect
Sixteen possibilities, and most of the 'kids table' would have been better than what we got.
Sheesh!
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Idaho_Cowboy on July 29, 2016, 10:27:43 pm
Virtually anyone else who ran would be better and I'm including Lindsey Graham. Yes, I can accept imperfect
At the start, knowing we would be facing Hillary, I only had one candidate on my No Go list and that was Senior Jeb!. Trump worked very hard to prove that he was the Democrat he always was and earned a spot on the list. I'd have taken any of the others. I was hardly asking for perfection, just a basic level of morals and honesty.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Bigun on July 29, 2016, 10:31:39 pm
Virtually anyone else who ran would be better and I'm including Lindsey Graham. Yes, I can accept imperfect

A fact which Bill and Hil did not overlook.  Hence Trump throws his hat in the ring and the media did the rest.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: musiclady on July 29, 2016, 10:46:14 pm
Virtually anyone else who ran would be better and I'm including Lindsey Graham. Yes, I can accept imperfect

I would have gladly supported Walker - not perfect.
I would have gladly supported Perry - not perfect.
I would have gladly supported Jindahl - not perfect.
I would have gladly supported Rubio - not perfect.
I would have gladly supported Kasich - not perfect.
I would have gladly supported Fiorina - not perfect.

I would have even supported Bush or Carson - FAR from perfect.

The idea that we were asking for perfection is just dopey.  False argument.  Straw man.  Empty headed.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: musiclady on July 29, 2016, 10:48:16 pm
A fact which Bill and Hil did not overlook.  Hence Trump throws his hat in the ring and the media did the rest.

Excellent point.  The Clinton's chose a completely flawed buddy to run as a Republican so that decent Republicans, and all conservatives could not support him.

This was a brilliantly planned strategy to get Hillary into the WH.


Thanks a lot for playing along with them and helping Hillary win, Trump lovers.....  **nononono*
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: EC on July 29, 2016, 10:48:49 pm
Wouldn't have supported Bush.

Not because I think there's anything particularly wrong with him, but even if he was the return of Reagan I'd not support him because the Presidency is not meant to be hereditary.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: sneakypete on July 29, 2016, 11:07:48 pm
Excellent point.  The Clinton's chose a completely flawed buddy to run as a Republican so that decent Republicans, and all conservatives could not support him.

This was a brilliantly planned strategy to get Hillary into the WH.




@musiclady

It was and is pretty much the only chance she had of winning. With anyone but Donald Little Hands in the race,she's a loser. If she loses,she and Bubba are in no position to get any existing or future corruption/treason charges dismissed. If she loses,she and Bubba are completely without any political power at all,and they still have living enemies in office.

No matter what they have to pay Trump down the line,it's worth it.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Sanguine on July 29, 2016, 11:21:47 pm
All we need is a Congress with bigger huevos than Hillary and it could happen.... :beer:

Yeah, like THAT could happen... **nononono*
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Cripplecreek on July 29, 2016, 11:57:23 pm
The DNC had a positive, hopeful message.  The RNC had a "OMG!!! We're all gunna DIE!  Save us, Master Trump, you're our only hope!" theme.

I agree, it may have been BS but they were smart to go that way. They sounded like a party that was winning.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Henry Noel on July 30, 2016, 12:02:20 am
Excellent point.  The Clinton's chose a completely flawed buddy to run as a Republican so that decent Republicans, and all conservatives could not support him.

This was a brilliantly planned strategy to get Hillary into the WH.


Thanks a lot for playing along with them and helping Hillary win, Trump lovers.....  **nononono*

I think the idea was that he would run third party, a la Ross Perot. But then he won the nomination, without even expecting it. Sort of like the plot of "The Producers." Still, it works.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: sneakypete on July 30, 2016, 12:25:26 am
I think the idea was that he would run third party, a la Ross Perot. But then he won the nomination, without even expecting it. Sort of like the plot of "The Producers." Still, it works.

@musiclady   @Henry Noel

It not only works,it makes the payoff even larger when it comes time for the Orange Ego to sign off.

Assuming of course he doesn't be some bizarre chance have a substantial lead in late Sept,and think he can actually win. He massive ego won't allow him to take a chance on losing in public,but it's also so big that IF he thinks he really can win it,he just might stick them in the back and refuse to drop out.

Which should make his SS agents very,VERY scared. The Clinton's aren't know to be either forgiving or gentle to anyone that crosses them.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on July 30, 2016, 01:32:43 am
Yeah, like THAT could happen... **nononono*

I do not see why you say that.  Clinton was impeached in 1998 with a far smaller majority of GOP Representatives than at present. Also a few Dem votes to impeach.

Yes, indeed it "could" happen, but I guess you are really saying is 'will it" happen.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Sanguine on July 30, 2016, 01:40:49 am
I do not see why you say that.  Clinton was impeached in 1998 with a far smaller majority of GOP Representatives than at present. Also a few Dem votes to impeach.

Yes, indeed it "could" happen, but I guess you are really saying is 'will it" happen.

Yeah, that wasn't clear.  I meant the idea of the current Congress finding huevos. 
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: DCPatriot on July 30, 2016, 03:17:55 am
I would have gladly supported Walker - not perfect.
I would have gladly supported Perry - not perfect.
I would have gladly supported Jindahl - not perfect.
I would have gladly supported Rubio - not perfect.
I would have gladly supported Kasich - not perfect.
I would have gladly supported Fiorina - not perfect.

I would have even supported Bush or Carson - FAR from perfect.

The idea that we were asking for perfection is just dopey.  False argument.  Straw man.  Empty headed.

And to think that I was an avid Donald Trump supporter right out of the gate when he announced.

Among all seventeen (17) in the field, I chose him.

And here I am.   And there you are.

You should see the view from up dear, my Lady!   :laugh:
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: sinkspur on July 30, 2016, 03:23:03 am
And to think that I was an avid Donald Trump supporter right out of the gate when he announced.

Among all seventeen (17) in the field, I chose him.

And here I am.   And there you are.

You should see the view from up dear, my Lady!   :laugh:

And, even though he's proven himself- PROVEN HIMSELF--unworthy of the presidency, you're still supporting him.

Trump is not the problem any longer.

YOU are the problem.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: DCPatriot on July 30, 2016, 03:32:53 am
And, even though he's proven himself- PROVEN HIMSELF--unworthy of the presidency, you're still supporting him.

Trump is not the problem any longer.

YOU are the problem.

LOL!  Yeah...it's ME that's the 'problem'.   You're a riot.

He's EXACTLY what this country needs in the Oval Office.

Lose the hate, Mike!   :patriot:
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Bigun on July 30, 2016, 03:40:23 am
And to think that I was an avid Donald Trump supporter right out of the gate when he announced.

Among all seventeen (17) in the field, I chose him.

And here I am.   And there you are.

You should see the view from up dear, my Lady!   :laugh:

I'm not a lady but I can see the view and it SUCKS A BIG ONE!
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Hoodat on July 30, 2016, 04:01:15 am
And, even though he's proven himself- PROVEN HIMSELF--unworthy of the presidency, you're still supporting him.

Trump is not the problem any longer.

YOU are the problem.

You got that right.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Hoodat on July 30, 2016, 04:04:06 am
LOL!  Yeah...it's ME that's the 'problem'.   You're a riot.

He's EXACTLY what this country needs in the Oval Office.


A Big-Government liberal?  We already have one of those now.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Hoodat on July 30, 2016, 04:08:00 am
If Hillary wins the Left will have control over the narrative and law for the next generation. That is my whole reason for even bothering to be here.

Yet you nominate the candidate that she has the best chance of beating.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: kartographer on July 30, 2016, 05:38:45 am
LOL!  Yeah...it's ME that's the 'problem'.   You're a riot.

He's EXACTLY what this country needs in the Oval Office.

Lose the hate, Mike!   :patriot:

First glad you are better DC. Also for once I agree with you. Trump is exactly what American deserves.

You Trumster are such an insecure lot though, you praise him as the greatest thing since the virgin birth so how can he possible lose?

I say this with all sincerity and honesty you have no need to worry Trump will most certainly win in November.

As for what America deserves well no one since the fall of Rome knows Bread and Circuses better than Trump and that is certainly what America deserves and that my friend is what worries me that we are getting just what we deserve.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: musiclady on July 30, 2016, 01:44:59 pm
@musiclady   @Henry Noel

It not only works,it makes the payoff even larger when it comes time for the Orange Ego to sign off.

Assuming of course he doesn't be some bizarre chance have a substantial lead in late Sept,and think he can actually win. He massive ego won't allow him to take a chance on losing in public,but it's also so big that IF he thinks he really can win it,he just might stick them in the back and refuse to drop out.

Which should make his SS agents very,VERY scared. The Clinton's aren't know to be either forgiving or gentle to anyone that crosses them.

I still think that your theory that Trump will drop out is very plausible, and yes, you are completely right that the vindictive Clinton's could be a very real threat to the safety of Trump, should he back out of their plan to usher her into the WH.

And since Trump is insane and even more of a narcissist than Bill or Hillary, there's no way to know what he'll do if he actually thinks the glory of the WH is possible for him.

These are scary days.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: musiclady on July 30, 2016, 01:48:05 pm
And to think that I was an avid Donald Trump supporter right out of the gate when he announced.

Among all seventeen (17) in the field, I chose him.

And here I am.   And there you are.

You should see the view from up dear, my Lady!   :laugh:

Of course, my post was written in response to the STUPID accusation from wolfcreek that non-Trump people are demanding "perfection" in a candidate, making your response a complete non-sequitur and irrelevant, but I'll respond anyway......

Of the seventeen in the field, you chose the only one who was a Democrat and insane.

I don't really want to see the view from your perspective, DC.

I prefer to keep my bearings and remain grounded in reality than view the world upside down and backwards, as you are currently doing.    :patriot:
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: musiclady on July 30, 2016, 01:50:11 pm
Yet you nominate the candidate that she has the best chance of beating.

That's the bottom line.  The Trump lovers have nominated the worst possible choice to beat Hillary, and the one most likely to govern EXACTLY as she would.

The world is completely turned on its head and they march merrily along off the cliff.......
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Bigun on July 30, 2016, 01:51:45 pm
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Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Bigun on July 30, 2016, 01:54:25 pm
That's the bottom line.  The Trump lovers have nominated the worst possible choice to beat Hillary, and the one most likely to govern EXACTLY as she would.

The world is completely turned on its head and they march merrily along off the cliff.......

This entire episode has been orchestrated by Bill Clinton and the complicit media for one purpose only! To protect the biggest criminal enterprise on Earth! The Clintoon Foundation!
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: musiclady on July 30, 2016, 02:00:22 pm
This entire episode has been orchestrated by Bill Clinton and the complicit media for one purpose only! To protect the biggest criminal enterprise on Earth! The Clintoon Foundation!

I absolutely agree, Bigun.  The stalking horse theory was pretty obvious from the outset, and nothing has happened to change my opinion that Trump is just helping his corrupt buddies.


btw, what year is that Bloomberg quote from?  Wow............ is that an indictment!
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Cripplecreek on July 30, 2016, 02:02:50 pm
This entire episode has been orchestrated by Bill Clinton and the complicit media for one purpose only! To protect the biggest criminal enterprise on Earth! The Clintoon Foundation!

What it doesn't explain is why the GOP has decided to get fully on board with Trump and drive constitutional conservatives from the party.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Bigun on July 30, 2016, 02:06:11 pm
What it doesn't explain is why the GOP has decided to get fully on board with Trump and drive constitutional conservatives from the party.

OH but it does! That is a purely inside the beltway pneumonia and they went with it because they were scared literally to DEATH that Ted Cruz would actually CHANGE things inside that whore's nest!
 
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Bigun on July 30, 2016, 02:08:18 pm
I absolutely agree, Bigun.  The stalking horse theory was pretty obvious from the outset, and nothing has happened to change my opinion that Trump is just helping his corrupt buddies.


btw, what year is that Bloomberg quote from?  Wow............ is that an indictment!

I don't know! I saw that graphic somewhere else and stole it to post here because I KNOW it to be the truth based on my own personal investigation of Trump's history.

He did say something very similar at the Democrat Convention.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvay32I6mbc&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Cripplecreek on July 30, 2016, 02:18:34 pm
OH but it does! That is a purely inside the beltway pneumonia and they went with it because they were scared literally to DEATH that Ted Cruz would actually CHANGE things inside that whore's nest!

My copy of "A time for Truth" just arrived this morning.

My mother has read it and says Ted Cruz lays out a pretty damning case against the establishment as an overall governing power that is both democrat and republican combined and that nothing short of a political revolution will break it.

Ted Cruz has been revolutionary in his willingness to take on both sides. When he speaks about things like Bengahzi, he's the only one who speaks of guilt on both sides of the aisle for what was really going on there.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Bigun on July 30, 2016, 02:20:22 pm
My copy of "A time for Truth" just arrived this morning.

My mother has read it and says Ted Cruz lays out a pretty damning case against the establishment as an overall governing power that is both democrat and republican combined and that nothing short of a political revolution will break it.

Ted Cruz has been revolutionary in his willingness to take on both sides. When he speaks about things like Bengahzi, he's the only one who speaks of guilt on both sides of the aisle for what was really going on there.

All I can add to that is a hearty  :amen:
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Nickname on July 30, 2016, 02:48:12 pm
What it doesn't explain is why the GOP has decided to get fully on board with Trump and drive constitutional conservatives from the party.

Personally, I don't believe Trump's deliberately throwing it to Hillary. Trump is all about Trump and the Trump brand, and he's destroying his reputation and brand with this vanity run. I don't see him purposefully sacrificing that to the Clintons. If he loses, there are a lot of people who won't want to be associated or seen in public with him after this. I think he'll be a pariah in the circles he's used to running in.

As for the GOP, I think they wrote this election off a while ago, but Trump has some usefulness to them while they're saddled with him. Namely, driving out conservatives and consolidating power for themselves. All they have to do to eliminate conservative opposition to their short-term goals is paint it as being anti-Trump.

Long term, I have no idea how the GOP might rebuild it's image after this debacle, or if it's even possible. Guess I don't really care at this point.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: wolfcreek on July 30, 2016, 02:50:43 pm
Nope. Proper planning prevents panic.

Bury the firearms and ammunition I don't expect to need right away.  I have spots picked out but things have been mighty busy around and I'd just as soon not have someone stumble across a cache.

Hide some more of the supplies. Print out a few more things I don't have in hard copy and pick up some stuff I can get cheap now that will make good trading stock or allow me to make things to trade.

Make popcorn and watch the end of the world on teevee until the ICBM launch.
I should be able to see at least some of the birds going up from outside.

Duck and cover.

We do all that anyway.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: wolfcreek on July 30, 2016, 02:52:18 pm
Let's just keep pounding this thread into the frickin' ground, shall we??  Maybe someday we can finally get to the bottom of it.

For God's sake, would one of you so-called "Mods" please lock this thread??  Enough is enough!!

 :chairbang:

I tried that many posts back and I was told we need to "milk it" for what it's worth.  :thud:
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: wolfcreek on July 30, 2016, 02:53:16 pm
I've already gone on the record as calling for the impeachment of both of them just to hedge my bets.

Right, like that will stop any of them.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Bunny Watson on July 30, 2016, 03:05:41 pm
And to think that I was an avid Donald Trump supporter right out of the gate when he announced.

Among all seventeen (17) in the field, I chose him.

And here I am.   And there you are.

You should see the view from up dear, my Lady!   :laugh:

The thing about being on top of the dung pile is that, even if you're on top, it still reeks. I'm not sure that's anything to brag about.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Hoodat on July 30, 2016, 03:14:06 pm
And to think that I was an avid Donald Trump supporter right out of the gate when he announced.

Among all seventeen (17) in the field, I chose him.

How odd.  In a race with sixteen Republicans and one Democrat, you chose the Democrat at the onset.  Looks like you win either way, whether Trump wins or not.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: DCPatriot on July 30, 2016, 05:32:30 pm
How odd.  In a race with sixteen Republicans and one Democrat, you chose the Democrat at the onset.  Looks like you win either way, whether Trump wins or not.

LOL!  It's been said before in my life that my 'baseball IQ' is off the charts. But obviously it pertains to political acumen as well!   
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: sneakypete on July 30, 2016, 07:54:50 pm
What it doesn't explain is why the GOP has decided to get fully on board with Trump and drive constitutional conservatives from the party.

@Cripplecreek

If you will check the history of the GOP,you will discover  there were never conservatives at the top until Goldwater,and then Reagan came along . They used to be known as "Country Club Republicans" because the party was owned by Old Eastern Country Club monied families. The Bush Crime Family got their start by marrying into the Harriman family and bank.

These people considered conservatives as much of a threat to them as the leftists/globalists of the Roosevelt generation taking over control of the Dim Party. They sat silent while the left pilloried Goldwater to the point that after the election even Goldwater said "I don't blame the voters for not voting for me. If all *I* knew about me were what was reported in the media,I wouldn't have voted for me,either."

The Dims and the Country Club Republians (both globalist leftists at heart,with the Dims leaning communist and the GOP leaning fascist) were caught napping by Reagan. By the time they woke up and realized he was a genuine danger to their control over the Republican Party,it was already too late. He had already won the primary. The GOP solution to this problem was to saddle him with that evil bastard Poppy Bush as his VP,so that the Country Club globalists would have a foot in the door and advantage when Reagan could no longer run for office. They told him at the convention that if he didn't accept Poppy as his running mate the GOP would give him zero support in his run for the WH.

And it's been nothing but one Globalist SOB after another ever since the end of Reagans second term,
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: skeeter on July 30, 2016, 08:00:17 pm
@Cripplecreek

The Dims and the Country Club Republians (both globalist leftists at heart,with the Dims leaning communist and the GOP leaning fascist) were caught napping by Reagan. By the time they woke up and realized he was a genuine danger to their control over the Republican Party,it was already too late. He had already won the primary. The GOP solution to this problem was to saddle him with that evil bastard Poppy Bush as his VP,so that the Country Club globalists would have a foot in the door and advantage when Reagan could no longer run for office. They told him at the convention that if he didn't accept Poppy as his running mate the GOP would give him zero support in his run for the WH.

And it's been nothing but one Globalist SOB after another ever since the end of Reagans second term,

Good summary. The GOP has had their antenna out for another Reagan since 88 - they won't be caught napping again.

Cruz came the closest. And his experience is a testament to the lengths the GOP will go to avoid another Reagan 'mistake'.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: youknowwho on July 30, 2016, 08:39:03 pm
How odd.  In a race with sixteen Republicans and one Democrat, you chose the Democrat at the onset.  Looks like you win either way, whether Trump wins or not.

 :beer:
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: DCPatriot on July 30, 2016, 08:46:00 pm

How odd.  In a race with sixteen Republicans and one Democrat, you chose the Democrat at the onset.  Looks like you win either way, whether Trump wins or not.


I chose Donald Trump because the Republican Party 'leadership' proved to be political eunuchs who also happened to be liars to the Republican voters who gave the both House and Senate majorities in the 2 mid-terms during Obama's reign of terror.

There is no opposition party, so I went with the successful outsider who as a globally known figure...a celebrity of sorts who knows how to fix problems.

That's the beginning and end of my 'love' for Donald Trump.

Except that he's got incredible children.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 30, 2016, 09:03:48 pm
OH but it does! That is a purely inside the beltway pneumonia and they went with it because they were scared literally to DEATH that Ted Cruz would actually CHANGE things inside that whore's nest!
Exactly. They could make deals with Trump. Cruz had already demonstrated he'd stand his ground against the GOPe, which was precisely why he "wasn't well liked" by members of his own party. (Which Trump supporters tried to use against him.)
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on July 31, 2016, 01:15:40 pm
@Cripplecreek

If you will check the history of the GOP,you will discover  there were never conservatives at the top until Goldwater,and then Reagan came along . They used to be known as "Country Club Republicans" because the party was owned by Old Eastern Country Club monied families.

It ain't a coincidence it is called the 'Grand Old Party'.  The party's conscience is permanently one of a 'Rockefeller Republican' and it can think of no better person to run this country than a NY Republican every term.  Ford, Bush Senior, Romney, are all of this mold, as of course was Nelson Rockefeller.

Putting a brash Goldwater, Reagan or a Cruz just goes against its entire grain.

Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Cripplecreek on July 31, 2016, 01:34:21 pm
It ain't a coincidence it is called the 'Grand Old Party'.  The party's conscience is permanently one of a 'Rockefeller Republican' and it can think of no better person to run this country than a NY Republican every term.  Ford, Bush Senior, Romney, are all of this mold, as of course was Nelson Rockefeller.

Putting a brash Goldwater, Reagan or a Cruz just goes against its entire grain.

The voters bear considerable blame as well. Many conservatives are too fickle and too impatient. It leads to rash and often contradictory behavior and kills forward momentum.

Just a few years ago conservatives were cheering the Citizens united ruling in the supreme court. A while later they cheered even louder when Justice Alito called Obama a liar when Obama lied about citizens united during the SOTU address. Today many of those same conservatives sound more like Harry Reid railing on about the Koch brothers.

People should pay heed to Sam Houston's warning against engaging in the Civil war and apply those words to politics.

Let me tell you what is coming. After the sacrifice of countless millions of treasure and hundreds of thousands of lives, you may win Southern independence if God be not against you, but I doubt it. I tell you that, while I believe with you in the doctrine of states rights, the North is determined to preserve this Union. They are not a fiery, impulsive people as you are, for they live in colder climates. But when they begin to move in a given direction, they move with the steady momentum and perseverance of a mighty avalanche; and what I fear is, they will overwhelm the South. - Sam Houston

Simply stated, Be the avalanche and move with the steady momentum and perseverance. (I would have used the term "Glacier".)

Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: DCPatriot on July 31, 2016, 02:05:12 pm
The voters bear considerable blame as well. Many conservatives are too fickle and too impatient. It leads to rash and often contradictory behavior and kills forward momentum.

Just a few years ago conservatives were cheering the Citizens united ruling in the supreme court. A while later they cheered even louder when Justice Alito called Obama a liar when Obama lied about citizens united during the SOTU address. Today many of those same conservatives sound more like Harry Reid railing on about the Koch brothers.

People should pay heed to Sam Houston's warning against engaging in the Civil war and apply those words to politics.

Let me tell you what is coming. After the sacrifice of countless millions of treasure and hundreds of thousands of lives, you may win Southern independence if God be not against you, but I doubt it. I tell you that, while I believe with you in the doctrine of states rights, the North is determined to preserve this Union. They are not a fiery, impulsive people as you are, for they live in colder climates. But when they begin to move in a given direction, they move with the steady momentum and perseverance of a mighty avalanche; and what I fear is, they will overwhelm the South. - Sam Houston

Simply stated, Be the avalanche and move with the steady momentum and perseverance. (I would have used the term "Glacier".)

I recall reading and 'speaking' with each other over the many years on TOS...and like @sinkspur , I can't recall ever disagreeing with your take on a scandal/event during that period.

It's a damned shamed you're not able to break away from the 'Conservative-Leader' paradigm.  Always comparing one's pedigree to one man's accomplishments...one who was not timid in speaking of his faith and love of the country in an engaging manner.  The Gipper.

You're sitting at a poker table with your big pile of chips, and the stupid guy to your right just went "all in".  And your hand demands you can't fold.

That's what we're facing this election.

The Democrats are sooo confident that they've put up the most corrupt and deceitful politician in the Party.  Because she's a woman.  (Hey, it worked with a black man, why not a woman that draws sympathy?)

Until you face yourself in the mirror and admit that there's NOBODY on the planet which the GOP possessed...that could step forward as a candidate that would draw enough voters across the spectrum...to defeat the Democrat Clinton/Obama machine....then you can stop reading now.

Donald Trump...like him or hate him...is the vehicle we have right now.  And we should be damned lucky, because he's the ONLY man that is capable of pulling it off.

All it takes to save the Supreme Court...to maybe stop the invasion of God knows who/what/where....to stop the repeal of the 2nd and other Amendments/Bill of Rights...is for you to vote.   For him.

You don't have to like him.   You're even allowed to hate him.

But stop your incessant bullsh*t and vote for Donald Trump.     :patriot:

Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: sinkspur on July 31, 2016, 03:00:23 pm

You don't have to like him.   You're even allowed to hate him.

But stop your incessant bullsh*t and vote for Donald Trump.     :patriot:

Wow.  What a campaign message.  Vote for a man you hate.

No.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: musiclady on July 31, 2016, 03:05:39 pm
Wow.  What a campaign message.  Vote for a man you hate.

No.

The reasons he is 'hated' are critical in this discussion.

It is because he is corrupt, amoral, misogynistic, racist, stupid, mean, vulgar, incapable, ignorant, thoughtless, supports huge government, abortion, Obamacare, the stimulus on steroids.......... just to name a few.


How can you suck it up and vote for a man who opposes every principle you have?

And why should you?    Hillary is no worse.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Cripplecreek on July 31, 2016, 03:07:50 pm
Donald Trump...like him or hate him...is the vehicle we have right now.  And we should be damned lucky, because he's the ONLY man that is capable of pulling it off.

Wrong, he was the only candidate capable of losing to Hillary.

There is no "We" about it.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on July 31, 2016, 03:09:06 pm
The voters bear considerable blame as well. Many conservatives are too fickle and too impatient. It leads to rash and often contradictory behavior and kills forward momentum.

Just a few years ago conservatives were cheering the Citizens united ruling in the supreme court. A while later they cheered even louder when Justice Alito called Obama a liar when Obama lied about citizens united during the SOTU address. Today many of those same conservatives sound more like Harry Reid railing on about the Koch brothers.

People should pay heed to Sam Houston's warning against engaging in the Civil war and apply those words to politics.

Let me tell you what is coming. After the sacrifice of countless millions of treasure and hundreds of thousands of lives, you may win Southern independence if God be not against you, but I doubt it. I tell you that, while I believe with you in the doctrine of states rights, the North is determined to preserve this Union. They are not a fiery, impulsive people as you are, for they live in colder climates. But when they begin to move in a given direction, they move with the steady momentum and perseverance of a mighty avalanche; and what I fear is, they will overwhelm the South. - Sam Houston

Simply stated, Be the avalanche and move with the steady momentum and perseverance. (I would have used the term "Glacier".)

While I suggest that this quote is out-of-date for the Northern tribe of this country, at the time of speech,
"Well said, Sam, a giant of a man"
(http://www.roadsideamerica.com/attract/images/tx/TXHUNsamhouston03.jpg)
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Meshuge Mikey on July 31, 2016, 03:18:40 pm
There is no "We" about it.




heres a HINT for anybody who thinks that The Donny is Playin to win for himself  And America!!    Barring a Miracle....the final score of this particular GAME is bound to be  Washington Democrats 10,...... America ZERO






(http://i.imgur.com/f5zmLyW.gif)
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Hoodat on July 31, 2016, 03:44:18 pm
I chose Donald Trump because the Republican Party 'leadership' proved to be political eunuchs who also happened to be liars to the Republican voters who gave the both House and Senate majorities in the 2 mid-terms during Obama's reign of terror.

You mean the same Republican Party 'leadership' that Trump just sided with at the Convention, giving Priebus even more power at the expense of the grass roots?  The same Republican Party 'leadership' that Trump made a deal with, allowing them to pick his delegates for him?
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: sneakypete on July 31, 2016, 04:10:34 pm
It ain't a coincidence it is called the 'Grand Old Party'.  The party's conscience is permanently one of a 'Rockefeller Republican' and it can think of no better person to run this country than a NY Republican every term.  Ford, Bush Senior, Romney, are all of this mold, as of course was Nelson Rockefeller.

Putting a brash Goldwater, Reagan or a Cruz just goes against its entire grain.

Not to mention the crazy orange man.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: sneakypete on July 31, 2016, 04:17:53 pm



The Democrats are sooo confident that they've put up the most corrupt and deceitful politician in the Party.  Because she's a woman.  (Hey, it worked with a black man, why not a woman that draws sympathy?)

Until you face yourself in the mirror and admit that there's NOBODY on the planet which the GOP possessed...that could step forward as a candidate that would draw enough voters across the spectrum...to defeat the Democrat Clinton/Obama machine....then you can stop reading now.

Donald Trump...like him or hate him...is the vehicle we have right now.  And we should be damned lucky, because he's the ONLY man that is capable of pulling it off.


@DCPatriot

BullBush! Does the name Cruz ring a bell? He would not only have gotten the votes of all the people who are and will continue refusing to vote for the Orange Ego,HE WOULD HAVE ALSO GOTTEN ALL THE VOTES OF PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHO ARE VOTING TRUMP OUT OF DESPERATION.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: JustPassinThru on July 31, 2016, 04:46:41 pm



heres a HINT for anybody who thinks that The Donny is Playin to win for himself  And America!!    Barring a Miracle....the final score of this particular GAME is bound to be  Washington Democrats 10,...... America ZERO






(http://i.imgur.com/f5zmLyW.gif)

So...which is worse.  Voting the D R candidate, and letting him fail, and letting him besmirch the conservative faction he PRETENDED to be from; and letting the grass-roots be discredited and demoralized; and empowering the Institutional Insider RINO faction?...

...Or letting the nation collapse, the world devolve into nuclear war, and our country overrun with Bedouin sheepherders and Mexican invaders...and NOT discrediting, falsely, the conservative movement?

You pays yer money and you takes yer choice.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on July 31, 2016, 04:56:39 pm
BullBush! Does the name Cruz ring a bell? He would not only have gotten the votes of all the people who are and will continue refusing to vote for the Orange Ego,HE WOULD HAVE ALSO GOTTEN ALL THE VOTES OF PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHO ARE VOTING TRUMP OUT OF DESPERATION.

You raise an interesting point, @sneakypete --- had Cruz won the nomination, he would have the votes from Trump supporters and independents who want to stop Hillary.

The only fly in the ointment is Cruz failed miserably in the primaries.  So your interesting point is also moot.   :shrug:

Now we go to war with the army we have--and we each will contribute to the outcome of the battle.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: catfish1957 on July 31, 2016, 05:45:56 pm


The only fly in the ointment is Cruz failed miserably in the primaries. 

2nd most delegates out of 17 candidates, and you are calling that miserable?  Trump supporters disdain for Cruz is laughable. 

Enjoy the limelight for now,because Trump is conducing a miserable campaign.

By the 2020 RNC Trump's name will be verboten, and the embarrassment he brought to this party will a text book example of what happens when you let a buffoon seize control.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: txradioguy on July 31, 2016, 06:59:21 pm
LOL!  It's been said before in my life that my 'baseball IQ' is off the charts. But obviously it pertains to political acumen as well!

We'll see if you're singing the same tune in November.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: geronl on July 31, 2016, 07:12:28 pm



heres a HINT for anybody who thinks that The Donny is Playin to win for himself  And America!!    Barring a Miracle....the final score of this particular GAME is bound to be  Washington Democrats 10,...... America ZERO






[img height="200]http://i.imgur.com/f5zmLyW.gif[/img]

 :thumbsup:

Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: youknowwho on July 31, 2016, 07:31:53 pm
I recall reading and 'speaking' with each other over the many years on TOS...and like @sinkspur , I can't recall ever disagreeing with your take on a scandal/event during that period.

It's a damned shamed you're not able to break away from the 'Conservative-Leader' paradigm.  Always comparing one's pedigree to one man's accomplishments...one who was not timid in speaking of his faith and love of the country in an engaging manner.  The Gipper.

You're sitting at a poker table with your big pile of chips, and the stupid guy to your right just went "all in".  And your hand demands you can't fold.

That's what we're facing this election.

The Democrats are sooo confident that they've put up the most corrupt and deceitful politician in the Party.  Because she's a woman.  (Hey, it worked with a black man, why not a woman that draws sympathy?)

Until you face yourself in the mirror and admit that there's NOBODY on the planet which the GOP possessed...that could step forward as a candidate that would draw enough voters across the spectrum...to defeat the Democrat Clinton/Obama machine....then you can stop reading now.

Donald Trump...like him or hate him...is the vehicle we have right now.  And we should be damned lucky, because he's the ONLY man that is capable of pulling it off.

All it takes to save the Supreme Court...to maybe stop the invasion of God knows who/what/where....to stop the repeal of the 2nd and other Amendments/Bill of Rights...is for you to vote.   For him.

You don't have to like him.   You're even allowed to hate him.

But stop your incessant bullsh*t and vote for Donald Trump.     :patriot:

What in Holy Heck makes you think he'll appoint conservatives to SCOTUS?  He doesn't give 2 crap about SCOTUS and he's anti-conservatism.   

Answer this: why should we be fooled into trusting him on SCOTUS when he is more focused on unseating conservatives  that we worked our butts off to help get elected?  He wants to undo everything the Tea Party accomplished the last 6 years.   HOW DOES THAT MAKE ANY FREAKING SENSE?   

I'd rather have a Democrat in the WH and have SOME tea party conservative representation  than have a Democrat in the WHite House that will undermine and destroy all conservatism. 

Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on July 31, 2016, 07:52:54 pm
2nd most delegates out of 17 candidates, and you are calling that miserable?  Trump supporters disdain for Cruz is laughable.

Yes.  Cruz failed miserably with his base ... the base that was to be his springboard from the South ... Evangelicals.

Quote
Enjoy the limelight for now,because Trump is conducing a miserable campaign.

This is not about "limelight" @catfish.  Is this really how you see this?  It's terribly shallow thinking.   **nononono*

Quote
By the 2020 RNC Trump's name will be verboten, and the embarrassment he brought to this party will a text book example of what happens when you let a buffoon seize control.

If Trump loses, by 2020 there will not be a Republican Party able to mount a winning campaign...ever again.  By then the majority of Americans, especially our youth, will be seeped in Socialism and will crave it like a drug. 

And Conservatism will be a shadow blowing in the wind.

If 2020 is important to you, you'll need to set aside some deep-seated anger and choose wisely in 2016.  If we lose the WH in 2016, we lose it for good. 
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: txradioguy on July 31, 2016, 08:05:30 pm
Week two of the general election and the Trumpkins here are still fixated on Cruz.

Tell me how that's a winning strategy to beat Hillary?

Oh and if Conservatism is left "blowing in the wind" it eill be because Trump and his GOPe cronies like McConnell helped him destroy it.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on July 31, 2016, 08:13:43 pm
If Trump loses, by 2020 there will not be a Republican Party able to mount a winning campaign...ever again. 
If 2020 is important to you, you'll need to set aside some deep-seated anger and choose wisely in 2016.  If we lose the WH in 2016, we lose it for good.

Good for disintegrating the GOP, like Scott did for the Whigs in 1852, never to hear from that party again.  The Whigs even lost allegiance by a young man named Abraham Lincoln, who could be a look-alike for a young Ted Cruz. 
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: MACVSOG68 on July 31, 2016, 08:35:07 pm
 :facepalm:
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 31, 2016, 08:58:14 pm
Yes.  Cruz failed miserably with his base ... the base that was to be his springboard from the South ... Evangelicals.
Let's see, wasn't that when the National Enquirer (Donny Trump's buddy Pecker) pounded Cruz with the one issue five mistresses scandal story? about two, three days before the ballot? And also went off on the "Annointed of God" thing that Cruz didn't say?
Lies, and more well timed lies.
Think that might have influenced that vote a little?
This is not about "limelight" @catfish.  Is this really how you see this?  It's terribly shallow thinking.   **nononono*

If Trump loses, by 2020 there will not be a Republican Party able to mount a winning campaign...ever again.  By then the majority of Americans, especially our youth, will be seeped in Socialism and will crave it like a drug. 

And Conservatism will be a shadow blowing in the wind.
Conservatism will survive. It hasn't had a real home in the GOP for a couple of decades, it only got lip service from candidates who forgot those promises before the votes were completely counted. With the exception of a few TEA party candidates, real grassroots supported conservatives the GOPe either underestimated or just could not stop, conservatives haven't had a snowball's chance in Hell of getting past the Party.

It's time we end the fairy tale that the GOP is any home to conservatism. Being marginally to the right of the Democrats is not 'Conservatism', it is only a relative thing, and Conservatism isn't about a half degree of relative support for the Constitution, it is about support, period. It isn't about saving just one life (although they all count) but about saving thousands per day, it isn't about more efficient totalitarianism, it is about Liberty and smaller government, period.

That moral, legal, Constitutional relativism is what has killed the GOP and made it more leftist than Jack Kennedy or Hubert Humphrey.
If 2020 is important to you, you'll need to set aside some deep-seated anger and choose wisely in 2016.  If we lose the WH in 2016, we lose it for good.
We, who? The GOP? The new Whigs? Because that is the road the GOP has taken.
Conservatives only have to find a new rally point and regroup, without being misled by the lies of a Party which has treated Conservatives with condescending contempt, assuming Conservatives have no place else to go. Maybe there isn't a major political machine to jump on, but we can build one--after all, who tirelessly built the GOP? Who were the people who filled every niche from grassroots up? Well, we can do that elsewhere, where the existing monolithic opposition to Conservative Principle does not have to be torn down and rebuilt.
I am looking hard at the Constitution Party, because most of what I want is already there. I think Conservatives of any stripe would do well to do the same. A Conservative would not win the White House under the GOP flag, anyway. You folks had the chance, and look what got the nomination.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: flowers on July 31, 2016, 09:03:17 pm
If Trump loses, by 2020 there will not be a Republican Party able to mount a winning campaign...ever again.  By then the majority of Americans, especially our youth, will be seeped in Socialism and will crave it like a drug.

And Conservatism will be a shadow blowing in the wind.
  that is a fact. Hil gets WH and it will be the end of any kind of valid elections ever. They will have the majority and will never give it back. Socialism, full on .

___________________________

There are eight levels of control that must be obtained before you are able to create a social state.

The first is the most important.

1) Healthcare – Control healthcare and you control the people.
2) Poverty – Increase the poverty level as high as possible; poor people are easier to control and will not fight back if you are providing everything for them to live.
3) Debt – Increase the debt to an unsustainable level. That way you are able to increase taxes and this will produce more poverty.
4) Gun control – Remove people’s ability to defend themselves from the government. That way you are able to create a police state.
5) Welfare – Take control of every aspect of people’s lives (food, housing and income).
6) Education – Take control of what people read and listen to; take control of what children learn in school.
7) Religion – Remove the belief in God from the government and schools.
8) Class warfare – Divide the people into the wealthy and the poor. This will cause more discontent and it will be easier to take from (tax) the wealthy with the support of the poor.

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Post by: youknowwho on July 31, 2016, 09:13:02 pm
  that is a fact. Hil gets WH and it will be the end of any kind of valid elections ever. They will have the majority and will never give it back. Socialism, full on .

___________________________

There are eight levels of control that must be obtained before you are able to create a social state.

The first is the most important.

1) Healthcare – Control healthcare and you control the people.
2) Poverty – Increase the poverty level as high as possible; poor people are easier to control and will not fight back if you are providing everything for them to live.
3) Debt – Increase the debt to an unsustainable level. That way you are able to increase taxes and this will produce more poverty.
4) Gun control – Remove people’s ability to defend themselves from the government. That way you are able to create a police state.
5) Welfare – Take control of every aspect of people’s lives (food, housing and income).
6) Education – Take control of what people read and listen to; take control of what children learn in school.
7) Religion – Remove the belief in God from the government and schools.
8) Class warfare – Divide the people into the wealthy and the poor. This will cause more discontent and it will be easier to take from (tax) the wealthy with the support of the poor.

Blame the RNC for allowing open primaries.  That's what is giving us Hillary.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: musiclady on July 31, 2016, 09:18:05 pm
Blame the RNC for allowing open primaries.  That's what is giving us Hillary.

What Trump lovers will never, ever admit is that it's their fault that we will be faced with a Hillary presidency.

EVERY other Republican candidate could have beaten her.  Trump will not.

Which may be due to the fact that everything he's doing and saying is helping her win........

(Deliberately)
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: sneakypete on July 31, 2016, 09:34:53 pm
  that is a fact. Hil gets WH and it will be the end of any kind of valid elections ever. They will have the majority and will never give it back. Socialism, full on .


@flowers

We haven't had a valid election since Reagan left office,and his election was a pure fluke that happened because the ruling class got so cocky they weren't paying attention.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Dirt for sale on July 31, 2016, 09:44:13 pm
Ted Cruz was the sane conservative's pick, and had as good a chance as any sane conservative would in this madhouse.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: flowers on July 31, 2016, 09:59:15 pm
@flowers

We haven't had a valid election since Reagan left office,and his election was a pure fluke that happened because the ruling class got so cocky they weren't paying attention.
You have a valid point. @sneakypete
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: DCPatriot on July 31, 2016, 10:05:42 pm
@flowers

We haven't had a valid election since Reagan left office,and his election was a pure fluke that happened because the ruling class got so cocky they weren't paying attention.

I sure hope they have the plan drawn out to ensure the military deployed has sufficient time to get their votes in...and COUNTED.

They are always prone to be missing or not arrived in time.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: sneakypete on July 31, 2016, 11:29:20 pm
I sure hope they have the plan drawn out to ensure the military deployed has sufficient time to get their votes in...and COUNTED.

They are always prone to be missing or not arrived in time.

Yeah,I have noticed that myself.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: txradioguy on August 01, 2016, 02:59:06 am
I sure hope they have the plan drawn out to ensure the military deployed has sufficient time to get their votes in...and COUNTED.

They are always prone to be missing or not arrived in time.

Obama will make sure one last time that whatever vote I cast...it wont get there in time to count.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: youknowwho on August 01, 2016, 04:14:19 am
What Trump lovers will never, ever admit is that it's their fault that we will be faced with a Hillary presidency.

EVERY other Republican candidate could have beaten her.  Trump will not.

Which may be due to the fact that everything he's doing and saying is helping her win........

(Deliberately)

Yes looky here

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3455066/posts
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: wolfcreek on August 01, 2016, 12:56:55 pm
Yet you nominate the candidate that she has the best chance of beating.

Generalize much?

 I voted for Cruz but will not sit by {like the rest of you neverTrumps} and watch Hillary win.

Whose the problem now?
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: wolfcreek on August 01, 2016, 01:00:35 pm
Of course, my post was written in response to the STUPID accusation from wolfcreek that non-Trump people are demanding "perfection" in a candidate, making your response a complete non-sequitur and irrelevant, but I'll respond anyway......

Of the seventeen in the field, you chose the only one who was a Democrat and insane.

I don't really want to see the view from your perspective, DC.

I prefer to keep my bearings and remain grounded in reality than view the world upside down and backwards, as you are currently doing.    :patriot:

You afraid to talk to me directly, ML? Are snide, behind-the-back comments about me the new norm for you?

Stalker
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: wolfcreek on August 01, 2016, 01:02:23 pm
(https://scontent-mia1-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13876178_1195645457195173_1433262030844033225_n.png?oh=9440885111610a0e0efefba1bc6df08e&oe=5810DDBE)

Quoting a guy who can't make up his mind which ideology he follows and spoke at the DNC.

How far Left you have traveled.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: wolfcreek on August 01, 2016, 01:08:32 pm
Yes.  Cruz failed miserably with his base ... the base that was to be his springboard from the South ... Evangelicals.

This is not about "limelight" @catfish.  Is this really how you see this?  It's terribly shallow thinking.   **nononono*

If Trump loses, by 2020 there will not be a Republican Party able to mount a winning campaign...ever again.  By then the majority of Americans, especially our youth, will be seeped in Socialism and will crave it like a drug. 

And Conservatism will be a shadow blowing in the wind.

If 2020 is important to you, you'll need to set aside some deep-seated anger and choose wisely in 2016.  If we lose the WH in 2016, we lose it for good.

The hate is deep in these ones. They spend all day coming up with new anti-Trump rhetoric just like the common Leftist.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: sneakypete on August 01, 2016, 03:54:52 pm
Yes looky here

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3455066/posts

@musiclady   @youknowwho

Yup,technically,Trump doesn't even have to drop out of the election. All he has to do to complete his contract with the Clinton's is to announce in Sept that he has changed his mind about building a wall and mass deportations,and his poll numbers will drop by half overnight. Deporting illegal aliens is the major factor that got him the nomination.

I still don't think he will do that,though. If he did that he would lose in public,and "The Donald" never loses because he IS "The Donald". Losing is for losers,and "The Donald" is a winner!

That's why I still think he's just going to drop out before the election and claim he decided the job was beneath him.

Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: sneakypete on August 01, 2016, 04:00:46 pm
The hate is deep in these ones. They spend all day coming up with new anti-Trump rhetoric just like the common Leftist.

@wolfcreek

Plan on changing your screen name to Yada Yoda?

BTW,Saying I despise both Orange Julius AND Bubbette! with the heat of a million burning stars isn't strong enough,so don't even try your crap with me because I'm not willing to see Orange Julius as "the country's savior" like you are.

Anybody that can't see that America loses despite which one of the fascists running for president wins is too freaking stupid to be allowed to vote.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Hoodat on August 01, 2016, 04:32:50 pm
If 2020 is important to you,  .  .  .

2016 was important to me.


.  .  . you'll need to set aside some deep-seated anger and choose wisely in 2016.

I already did choose wisely.  Keep in mind that I'm not the one here who chose the NY liberal.


If we lose the WH in 2016, we lose it for good.

That will be one helluva legacy for you Trump supporters.  You can tell your grandkids how you helped destroy the Republican Party.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: musiclady on August 01, 2016, 04:39:31 pm
@musiclady   @youknowwho

Yup,technically,Trump doesn't even have to drop out of the election. All he has to do to complete his contract with the Clinton's is to announce in Sept that he has changed his mind about building a wall and mass deportations,and his poll numbers will drop by half overnight. Deporting illegal aliens is the major factor that got him the nomination.

I still don't think he will do that,though. If he did that he would lose in public,and "The Donald" never loses because he IS "The Donald". Losing is for losers,and "The Donald" is a winner!

That's why I still think he's just going to drop out before the election and claim he decided the job was beneath him.

I will be fascinated to see if your theory plays out, @sneakypete , because knowing what we know about Trump, it is completely plausible that he would do just that.......... drop out and say he just wasn't interested any more, but he could have done the job if he had wanted to.

I've said before that Trump is exactly like a bad child in elementary school.  He needs attention because he is insecure and weak, and he doesn't care if it's good or bad, as long as people are looking at him.

People would certainly be looking at him if he dropped out, and I have a feeling he would be in his glory because he would be on the front page of every paper in the world.  He'd love it.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Idaho_Cowboy on August 01, 2016, 05:08:15 pm
You mean the same Republican Party 'leadership' that Trump just sided with at the Convention, giving Priebus even more power at the expense of the grass roots?  The same Republican Party 'leadership' that Trump made a deal with, allowing them to pick his delegates for him?
Trump went out of his way to divide the party and to put himself firmly on the side of the establishment.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Idaho_Cowboy on August 01, 2016, 05:14:45 pm
The hate is deep in these ones. They spend all day coming up with new anti-Trump rhetoric just like the common Leftist.
Trump does that all one his own. No digging required he steps in about 2-3 times a day. I'm glad I don't have to lick his boots clean.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: jmyrlefuller on August 01, 2016, 05:16:59 pm
If Trump loses, by 2020 there will not be a Republican Party able to mount a winning campaign...ever again.  By then the majority of Americans, especially our youth, will be seeped in Socialism and will crave it like a drug. 

And Conservatism will be a shadow blowing in the wind.

If 2020 is important to you, you'll need to set aside some deep-seated anger and choose wisely in 2016.  If we lose the WH in 2016, we lose it for good.
If you think that hasn't already happened, you have to open your eyes.

Mitt Romney would be President if our country wasn't already addicted to socialism and strong big government.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Idaho_Cowboy on August 01, 2016, 05:21:17 pm
If you don't think that hasn't already happened, you have to open your eyes.

Mitt Romney would be President if our country wasn't already addicted to socialism and strong big government.
Probably true, thought Mitt had serious problems with presenting himself as a small government type thanks to Romney care. In the end if we compromise on the truth.

We didn't make these principles: That men should be free, that government should be small. The founding principles of this nation are in a very real sense transcendent. If we abandon them for the sake of winning we will not have won anything meaningful we will have simply sold out the truth.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: jmyrlefuller on August 01, 2016, 05:35:45 pm
Probably true, thought Mitt had serious problems with presenting himself as a small government type thanks to Romney care. In the end if we compromise on the truth.

We didn't make these principles: That men should be free, that government should be small. The founding principles of this nation are in a very real sense transcendent. If we abandon them for the sake of winning we will not have won anything meaningful we will have simply sold out the truth.
True enough—and I'll admit I was very slow to accept him for those very reasons—but compared to Barack Obama, and even seeing what Obama had done, especially unchecked, it should have been a no-brainer.

Yet we see, time and again, how people with no brains vote.
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Post by: GrouchoTex on August 01, 2016, 05:41:31 pm
The hate is deep in these ones. They spend all day coming up with new anti-Trump rhetoric just like the common Leftist.

I think that if all of us on this site, and others like it, were to 100% get behind and vote for Trump, he would still lose. It is not us, coming up with "leftist" talking points that are doing him in. Trump is doing himself in. He has insulted a lot of people and seems as if he is going to continue to do so.
Add Koch Bros, a Fire Marshall, a Gold Star family, and a General to the list, in under one week.
Hatred of Clinton will not be enough to overcome Trump's own hatred of others.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: youknowwho on August 01, 2016, 05:49:59 pm
I sure hope they have the plan drawn out to ensure the military deployed has sufficient time to get their votes in...and COUNTED.

They are always prone to be missing or not arrived in time.

Be careful what you wish for....

I believe there's a poll out that Gary Johnson beating Hil and Don among military.

Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: JustPassinThru on August 01, 2016, 06:30:39 pm
Be careful what you wish for....

I believe there's a poll out that Gary Johnson beating Hil and Don among military.

Open borders and legal drugs are big issues with military voters?
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Sanguine on August 01, 2016, 06:45:23 pm
Open borders and legal drugs are big issues with military voters?

I don't know about open borders, but I understand the Johnson's stance on illegal immigration is to cut off the magnets.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: thackney on August 01, 2016, 07:09:13 pm
I don't know about open borders, but I understand the Johnson's stance on illegal immigration is to cut off the magnets.

You might want to review his web site on this issue.

https://www.johnsonweld.com/immigration

Having served as Governor of a border state, Gary Johnson understands immigration. He understands that a robust flow of labor, regulated not by politics, but by the marketplace, is essential.

He understands that a bigger fence will only produce taller ladders and deeper tunnels, and that the flow of illegal immigrants across the border is not a consequence of too little security, but rather a legal immigration system that simply doesn’t work. Militarizing the border, bigger fences, and other punitive measures espoused by too many politicians are all simplistic “solutions” to a problem caused by artificial quotas, bureaucratic incompetence and the shameful failure of Congress to actually put in place an immigration system that matches reality.

Governor Johnson has long advocated a simplified and secure system of work visas by which willing workers and willing employers can meet in a robust labor marketplace efficiently and economically. Aspiring immigrants would undergo a background check, pay taxes and provide proof of employment.

Making it simpler and efficient to enter the U.S. legally will provide the greatest security possible, allowing law enforcement to focus its time and resources on the criminals and bad actors who are, in reality, a relatively small portion of those who are today entering the country illegally.
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Post by: Sanguine on August 01, 2016, 07:13:07 pm
You might want to review his web site on this issue.

https://www.johnsonweld.com/immigration

Having served as Governor of a border state, Gary Johnson understands immigration. He understands that a robust flow of labor, regulated not by politics, but by the marketplace, is essential.

He understands that a bigger fence will only produce taller ladders and deeper tunnels, and that the flow of illegal immigrants across the border is not a consequence of too little security, but rather a legal immigration system that simply doesn’t work. Militarizing the border, bigger fences, and other punitive measures espoused by too many politicians are all simplistic “solutions” to a problem caused by artificial quotas, bureaucratic incompetence and the shameful failure of Congress to actually put in place an immigration system that matches reality.

Governor Johnson has long advocated a simplified and secure system of work visas by which willing workers and willing employers can meet in a robust labor marketplace efficiently and economically. Aspiring immigrants would undergo a background check, pay taxes and provide proof of employment.

Making it simpler and efficient to enter the U.S. legally will provide the greatest security possible, allowing law enforcement to focus its time and resources on the criminals and bad actors who are, in reality, a relatively small portion of those who are today entering the country illegally.

Yes, thanks.  I believe he talked about cutting off magnets in a recent interview.

I agree with some of the above position, but slowing the flood of economic migrants doesn't solve the problem of those who wish to harm us coming across, smugglers, terrorists, criminals, etc.
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Post by: thackney on August 01, 2016, 07:30:20 pm
Yes, thanks.  I believe he talked about cutting off magnets in a recent interview.

I agree with some of the above position, but slowing the flood of economic migrants doesn't solve the problem of those who wish to harm us coming across, smugglers, terrorists, criminals, etc.

From his web site, it appears the main issue he sees with illegal immigration is the difficulties in legal immigration.  I don't see anything there about trying to reduce the draw, just to make it easier.

He may have talked about it in an interview, but his political web site should be where he lists the important items.  It appears he doesn't view the draw by magnets to be a significant issue on this topic.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Sanguine on August 01, 2016, 07:46:04 pm
From his web site, it appears the main issue he sees with illegal immigration is the difficulties in legal immigration.  I don't see anything there about trying to reduce the draw, just to make it easier.

He may have talked about it in an interview, but his political web site should be where he lists the important items.  It appears he doesn't view the draw by magnets to be a significant issue on this topic.

Very true.

Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: geronl on August 01, 2016, 08:05:42 pm
Generalize much?

Gallup says after the Trump Party Convention, 51% were "less likely to vote Republican" while only 36% were "more likely". This is the worst showing since they began asking this question around 1980 something. That is negative fifteen!

Hillary also had a terrible unbounce, but her negative was only four percent.

Still two horrible candidates and two convention dips instead if bounces.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Idaho_Cowboy on August 01, 2016, 08:11:55 pm
Gallup says after the Trump Party Convention, 51% were "less likely to vote Republican" while only 36% were "more likely". This is the worst showing since they began asking this question around 1980 something. That is negative fifteen!

Hillary also had a terrible unbounce, but her negative was only four percent.

Still two horrible candidates and two convention dips instead if bounces.
And people will be blaming Cruz in 5..4...3...2..1...
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Cripplecreek on August 01, 2016, 08:15:49 pm
And people will be blaming Cruz in 5..4...3...2..1...

Ya know its coming.

Personally I find it sad that so many think that we're such herd animals that a few simple words from Ted Cruz would have driven us to support an amoral man like Trump.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: wolfcreek on August 01, 2016, 08:20:44 pm
@wolfcreek

Plan on changing your screen name to Yada Yoda?

BTW,Saying I despise both Orange Julius AND Bubbette! with the heat of a million burning stars isn't strong enough,so don't even try your crap with me because I'm not willing to see Orange Julius as "the country's savior" like you are.

Anybody that can't see that America loses despite which one of the fascists running for president wins is too freaking stupid to be allowed to vote.

Then you'll live in political irrelevance for the rest of your days. Enjoy.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: wolfcreek on August 01, 2016, 08:23:30 pm
2016 was important to me.


I already did choose wisely.  Keep in mind that I'm not the one here who chose the NY liberal.


That will be one helluva legacy for you Trump supporters.  You can tell your grandkids how you helped destroy the Republican Party.

How much faith and trust did you have in the GOP before the primaries?

I'll bet none yet, you're NOW worried about their existence??
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: wolfcreek on August 01, 2016, 08:27:05 pm
#feeltheJohnson

Couldn't resist.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Idaho_Cowboy on August 01, 2016, 08:27:20 pm
I tried that many posts back and I was told we need to "milk it" for what it's worth.  :thud:
Oh come one, name names. I thought you said you didn't like that behind the back stuff.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: wolfcreek on August 01, 2016, 08:46:09 pm
Oh come one, name names. I thought you said you didn't like that behind the back stuff.

Did you even read what I was responding to?
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: youknowwho on August 01, 2016, 08:48:02 pm
Gallup says after the Trump Party Convention, 51% were "less likely to vote Republican" while only 36% were "more likely". This is the worst showing since they began asking this question around 1980 something. That is negative fifteen!

Hillary also had a terrible unbounce, but her negative was only four percent.

Still two horrible candidates and two convention dips instead if bounces.

Just wait until word gets out that Trump is moving farther left on immigration.

 :whistle:
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on August 01, 2016, 08:49:27 pm
Just wait until word gets out that Trump is moving farther left on immigration.

 :whistle:
But...but...that will bring in the illegal immigrant vote!

 :whistle:
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Idaho_Cowboy on August 01, 2016, 08:51:26 pm
But...but...that will bring in the illegal immigrant vote!

 :whistle:
Proof that he's planning 7 turns ahead playing 6th dimensional chess!
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Vulcan on August 01, 2016, 08:59:33 pm
I think that if all of us on this site, and others like it, were to 100% get behind and vote for Trump, he would still lose. It is not us, coming up with "leftist" talking points that are doing him in. Trump is doing himself in. He has insulted a lot of people and seems as if he is going to continue to do so.
Add Koch Bros, a Fire Marshall, a Gold Star family, and a General to the list, in under one week.
Hatred of Clinton will not be enough to overcome Trump's own hatred of others.

(http://i.imgur.com/mPp9i6i.png)
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: sneakypete on August 01, 2016, 10:30:50 pm
True enough—and I'll admit I was very slow to accept him for those very reasons—but compared to Barack Obama, and even seeing what Obama had done, especially unchecked, it should have been a no-brainer.

Yet we see, time and again, how people with no brains vote.

@jmyrlefuller

I have to admit that I was as wrong to not take Bathhouse Barry seriously his first run as the GOP were to not take Reagan seriously. I thought "There is no way anybody not a black racists or a retard can even consider voting for that no-nothing,done-nothing piece of AA crap,so no need to get excited,"

Boy was I wrong!
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: sneakypete on August 01, 2016, 10:34:48 pm


Still two horrible candidates and two convention dips instead if bounces.

@geronl

True dat. If EITHER were running against anyone else that had never been in rehab or a mental institution,they would lose by a historical landslide.

I honestly think pretty much anybody could beat either one in a head to head battle.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: sneakypete on August 01, 2016, 10:36:50 pm
Then you'll live in political irrelevance for the rest of your days. Enjoy.

@wolfcreek

No problem. I would rather be politically irrelevant that have to live with being party to destroying America.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: sneakypete on August 01, 2016, 10:38:59 pm
Just wait until word gets out that Trump is moving farther left on immigration.

 :whistle:

@youknowwho

You SHOULD be right by all that IS right,but I don't think you are because by now it is a Orange Julius Cult,and he can do no wrong. His followers are going to vote for him no matter what he says or does.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: JustPassinThru on August 01, 2016, 10:57:37 pm
Ya know its coming.

Personally I find it sad that so many think that we're such herd animals that a few simple words from Ted Cruz would have driven us to support an amoral man like Trump.


You make a good point - but that is not the point.  If you'll pardon my wording.

It isn't the endorsement - it is the PROSTRATION before God the Donald, that the cult-followers are demanding.  The Orange Julius demands, not support but WORSHIP.

Cruz withheld worship.  As would any rational man who was so slandered.  Cruz probably reasonably believes that not filing a blizzard of lawsuits is forgiveness enough.  Not staging a floor fight, demanding an oral delegate vote, is the adult way of making peace.

And reasonable adults would agree.  Cult worshippers proselytizing a new religion around a new god, would not agree.  Like converts everywhere, at all times, they're overwhelmed with the murderous zeal of the fanatic.

Cruz must be destroyed.  For Thou Shalt Have NO OTHER GOD before Donald.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on August 01, 2016, 11:06:09 pm


And reasonable adults would agree.  Cult worshippers proselytizing a new religion around a new god, would not agree.  Like converts everywhere, at all times, they're overwhelmed with the murderous zeal of the fanatic.

Cruz must be destroyed.  For Thou Shalt Have NO OTHER GOD before Donald.
Donald? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30lGrarz3MQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30lGrarz3MQ)
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Cripplecreek on August 02, 2016, 10:34:53 am
You make a good point - but that is not the point.  If you'll pardon my wording.

It isn't the endorsement - it is the PROSTRATION before God the Donald, that the cult-followers are demanding.  The Orange Julius demands, not support but WORSHIP.

Cruz withheld worship.  As would any rational man who was so slandered.  Cruz probably reasonably believes that not filing a blizzard of lawsuits is forgiveness enough.  Not staging a floor fight, demanding an oral delegate vote, is the adult way of making peace.

And reasonable adults would agree.  Cult worshippers proselytizing a new religion around a new god, would not agree.  Like converts everywhere, at all times, they're overwhelmed with the murderous zeal of the fanatic.

Cruz must be destroyed.  For Thou Shalt Have NO OTHER GOD before Donald.

Interesting article on Ted Cruz from Jennifer Rubin no less.

About that ‘political suicide’ thing …

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2016/08/01/about-that-political-suicide-thing/?postshare=1771470096489740&tid=ss_tw-bottom


By refusing, no matter what, to abandon Trump, they reassure him that no matter how cruel, how lacking in empathy and how ignorant he may be, Republicans will discredit themselves to defend him. Cruz meanwhile, keeps his dignity, his intellectual integrity and 2020 aspirations alive.

Who, remind us again, made the career-ending mistake in Cleveland?


Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Hoodat on August 02, 2016, 04:54:28 pm
How much faith and trust did you have in the GOP before the primaries?

I'll bet none yet, you're NOW worried about their existence??

You will not find the word 'worry' in my post.  'Worry' is nothing more than interest paid in advance on a debt that never becomes due.  The only ones worrying here are the Trump supporters who are now coming to the realization that without Conservative support, their liberal boy is going to lose.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: skeeter on August 02, 2016, 05:01:06 pm
Interesting article on Ted Cruz from Jennifer Rubin no less.

About that ‘political suicide’ thing …

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2016/08/01/about-that-political-suicide-thing/?postshare=1771470096489740&tid=ss_tw-bottom


By refusing, no matter what, to abandon Trump, they reassure him that no matter how cruel, how lacking in empathy and how ignorant he may be, Republicans will discredit themselves to defend him. Cruz meanwhile, keeps his dignity, his intellectual integrity and 2020 aspirations alive.

Who, remind us again, made the career-ending mistake in Cleveland?


Jennifer Rubin is right for a change.

Its TOO DAMN BAD she wasn't perceptive enough to realize this back when Cruz could've used a little more support from the establishment types.

No doubt she'll have forgotten all of this the next time a worthless establishment RINO steps up and runs against Cruz in 2020.

Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: wolfcreek on August 02, 2016, 08:00:43 pm
You will not find the word 'worry' in my post.  'Worry' is nothing more than interest paid in advance on a debt that never becomes due.  The only ones worrying here are the Trump supporters who are now coming to the realization that without Conservative support, their liberal boy is going to lose.

You didn't answer the question. What happened to the "I didn't leave the GOP, they left me" meme I've heard repeated over the last several years?

Now you can stand the thought of their demise?
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: JustPassinThru on August 02, 2016, 08:07:53 pm
Jennifer Rubin is right for a change.

Its TOO DAMN BAD she wasn't perceptive enough to realize this back when Cruz could've used a little more support from the establishment types.


No doubt she'll have forgotten all of this the next time a worthless establishment RINO steps up and runs against Cruz in 2020.

That was strategic.  The RINO wing of the NeverTrumpers, are mostly covert Hillarites.

While the RINOs have made peace with Trumpkins, they still favor Madame Rodham be coronated.  That's a two-fer - they can say nyeer-nyeer at the base, try to show what fools they were to challenge the Wisdom Of The Elites; and they have a predictable print-and-spend Leftist in power.  The cash stream will keep on flowing; and they'll get non-Americans to do the jobs Americans won't do.  Like, vote Leftist.

They can live with Trump, if it comes to that.  But, CRUZ?  With those radical ideas, like Federalism and balanced budgets and the Constitution?  NO...EFFIN'...WAY.

That's where the lovely Ms.  Rubin is coming from.  She's told to think that and to write that.  And for those reasons.  And she probably believes them, to the effect she cares at all.

Far ahead is a perquisite...DEPUTY PRESS SECRETARY, to somebody or other.  IF she shows she's a good, loyal Party soldier.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: kartographer on August 03, 2016, 12:15:45 am
You didn't answer the question. What happened to the "I didn't leave the GOP, they left me" meme I've heard repeated over the last several years?

Now you can stand the thought of their demise?

I left the party, because it was taken over by a bunch of yahoos and their 'orange' God.

But don't worry so much wolf, for people who believe that their man is the best thing since the virgin birth you trumpsters have little confidence that your little orange god can pull it off. I have no doubt that he will beat 'hittlary', for one thing NO one since the fall of Rome knows more about bread and circuses than 'The Thumpster' does. After he wins American will get just what it deserves, that's the scary part, because it will be just what we deserve.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: skeeter on August 03, 2016, 12:21:06 am
That was strategic.  The RINO wing of the NeverTrumpers, are mostly covert Hillarites.

While the RINOs have made peace with Trumpkins, they still favor Madame Rodham be coronated.  That's a two-fer - they can say nyeer-nyeer at the base, try to show what fools they were to challenge the Wisdom Of The Elites; and they have a predictable print-and-spend Leftist in power.  The cash stream will keep on flowing; and they'll get non-Americans to do the jobs Americans won't do.  Like, vote Leftist.

They can live with Trump, if it comes to that.  But, CRUZ?  With those radical ideas, like Federalism and balanced budgets and the Constitution?  NO...EFFIN'...WAY.

That's where the lovely Ms.  Rubin is coming from.  She's told to think that and to write that.  And for those reasons.  And she probably believes them, to the effect she cares at all.

Far ahead is a perquisite...DEPUTY PRESS SECRETARY, to somebody or other.  IF she shows she's a good, loyal Party soldier.

I can't see anything here I disagree with. You remind me how much I utterly and completely despise the establishment GOP.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Hoodat on August 03, 2016, 12:50:05 am
You didn't answer the question. What happened to the "I didn't leave the GOP, they left me" meme I've heard repeated over the last several years?

In answer to your question, I had little faith in the GOP primary process before, but I had high hope that it would be corrected due to the hard work Ted Cruz put into his ground game at the state level bringing the power of the Party back to those at the grass roots level who support the GOP throughout the whole four years - not just those who show up to stand in line for five minutes and cast a primary vote.  That hope ended in Cleveland when Trump delegates sided with those running the RNC and voted to cede even more power to the chairman.


Now you can stand the thought of their demise?

I soberly accept their demise, cemented by their decision to nominate a liberal Democrat as their 2016 Presidential candidate and placing the reins of that campaign back into the hands of the last person to defeat Ronald Reagan back in 1976.

Did the GOP leave me?  Absolutely.  It has been a long-term process, but their contempt for Conservatives like me is now indisputable.  This battered wife has had enough.

I will continue to support Conservative candidates.  In the future, if Republicans decide to nominate Conservative candidates, then they will certainly have my vote.  I guarantee it.  But I will not vote for a Big Government liberal who has nothing but contempt for everything I hold dear simply because he decided to put an 'R' beside his name.

#NeverLiberal
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Polly Ticks on August 03, 2016, 12:58:05 am

I will continue to support Conservative candidates.  In the future, if Republicans decide to nominate Conservative candidates, then they will certainly have my vote.  I guarantee it.  But I will not vote for a Big Government liberal who has nothing but contempt for everything I hold dear simply because he decided to put an 'R' beside his name.

#NeverLiberal

Hear, hear.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: wolfcreek on August 03, 2016, 11:16:08 am
I left the party, because it was taken over by a bunch of yahoos and their 'orange' God.

But don't worry so much wolf, for people who believe that their man is the best thing since the virgin birth you trumpsters have little confidence that your little orange god can pull it off. I have no doubt that he will beat 'hittlary', for one thing NO one since the fall of Rome knows more about bread and circuses than 'The Thumpster' does. After he wins American will get just what it deserves, that's the scary part, because it will be just what we deserve.

No one is perfect but, Hillary is the devil. That's the way I see it.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: wolfcreek on August 03, 2016, 11:18:47 am
I can't see anything here I disagree with. You remind me how much I utterly and completely despise the establishment GOP.

That's what I don't get. I was hearing how the GOPe sucked back in 2007 when I was at TOS. Now, those same people are concern Trumps is destroying them.  :pondering:
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: wolfcreek on August 03, 2016, 11:22:46 am
In answer to your question, I had little faith in the GOP primary process before, but I had high hope that it would be corrected due to the hard work Ted Cruz put into his ground game at the state level bringing the power of the Party back to those at the grass roots level who support the GOP throughout the whole four years - not just those who show up to stand in line for five minutes and cast a primary vote.  That hope ended in Cleveland when Trump delegates sided with those running the RNC and voted to cede even more power to the chairman.


I soberly accept their demise, cemented by their decision to nominate a liberal Democrat as their 2016 Presidential candidate and placing the reins of that campaign back into the hands of the last person to defeat Ronald Reagan back in 1976.

Did the GOP leave me?  Absolutely.  It has been a long-term process, but their contempt for Conservatives like me is now indisputable.  This battered wife has had enough.

I will continue to support Conservative candidates.  In the future, if Republicans decide to nominate Conservative candidates, then they will certainly have my vote.  I guarantee it.  But I will not vote for a Big Government liberal who has nothing but contempt for everything I hold dear simply because he decided to put an 'R' beside his name.

#NeverLiberal

Trouble is, if Hillary manages to appoint a SCOTUS to wholly support the Progressive agenda plus add millions of new Dim voters to the population, there may never be a "conservative" candidate again. A fact conveniently overlooked.

If America hasn't figured out the the country is headed in the wrong direction by now, it may be a long while to the next epiphany.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: massadvj on August 03, 2016, 11:27:07 am
That's what I don't get. I was hearing how the GOPe sucked back in 2007 when I was at TOS. Now, those same people are concern Trumps is destroying them.  :pondering:

Well, I think people need to ask what the GOPe is being replaced with.  Closing down our open and free society, which has given us the greatest standard of living in the history of human civilization?  Eliminating the Republic in favor of a pure democracy?  Spending $500 billion on infrastructure with no indication as to where the money will come from?  Raising the minimum wage?

TEA Party to me represented a movement toward a smaller federal government that operates more in line with constitutional principles.  I see nothing in Donald Trump that indicates he has this goal in mind when he talks about "making America great again." 
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Cripplecreek on August 03, 2016, 11:56:40 am
Well, I think people need to ask what the GOPe is being replaced with.  Closing down our open and free society, which has given us the greatest standard of living in the history of human civilization?  Eliminating the Republic in favor of a pure democracy?  Spending $500 billion on infrastructure with no indication as to where the money will come from?  Raising the minimum wage?

TEA Party to me represented a movement toward a smaller federal government that operates more in line with constitutional principles.  I see nothing in Donald Trump that indicates he has this goal in mind when he talks about "making America great again."

Trump is happily promising a half trillion dollars in infrastructure funding which was one of the main drivers that brought the tea party into being. He wants to keep federal land management in federal hands because he doesn't trust the states to do the right thing. It goes on and one and Trump is nothing but another big government democrat.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: kartographer on August 03, 2016, 01:19:37 pm
No one is perfect but, Hillary is the devil. That's the way I see it.

Yes no one is perfect but most people are sane. Eight years of having a narcissistic maniacal maniac in the oval office don't you think that it would give pause to any logical thinking person?

Maybe you will answer this question, trumpsters  insistence that we must vote for their man, even though the 'the donald' repeatedly and clearly said he doesn't need our vote. So please tell me how is our not voting at all a bad thing?
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Idaho_Cowboy on August 03, 2016, 03:18:15 pm
No one is perfect but, Hillary is the devil. That's the way I see it.
If you don't vote for Wormwood we will be stuck with Screwtape!
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Idaho_Cowboy on August 03, 2016, 03:21:38 pm
Trouble is, if Hillary manages to appoint a SCOTUS to wholly support the Progressive agenda plus add millions of new Dim voters to the population, there may never be a "conservative" candidate again. A fact conveniently overlooked.

If America hasn't figured out the the country is headed in the wrong direction by now, it may be a long while to the next epiphany.
If America had figured out we were headed in the wrong direction we wouldn't have Clinton and Clintrumpton on the ballot.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Night Hides Not on August 03, 2016, 03:44:30 pm
I left the party, because it was taken over by a bunch of yahoos and their 'orange' God.

But don't worry so much wolf, for people who believe that their man is the best thing since the virgin birth you trumpsters have little confidence that your little orange god can pull it off. I have no doubt that he will beat 'hittlary', for one thing NO one since the fall of Rome knows more about bread and circuses than 'The Thumpster' does. After he wins American will get just what it deserves, that's the scary part, because it will be just what we deserve.

Whether the next President is Trump or Hillary, America will be getting what it deserves. We've all seen the moral, spiritual, and societal decay in our communities and in our governing institutions, and may I add, our armed forces.

I entered active duty in 1976, at the outset of the All Volunteer Force. I saw how standards were lowered to meet recruiting goals. Yet as a platoon leader my first 18 months in Germany, the majority of the soldiers and NCOs under my command were fine men that made it work. My favorite platoon was one where 3 of my 4 squad leaders were E-4's. They had an energy and thirst for learning that was not there in other platoons where I had E-6's as my squad leaders. Fortunately, I arrived at that platoon with a year's experience as a platoon leader. I was not surprised when we had the only platoon of the four in our battery to pass an ARTEP.

Apologies for straying, but we have reached the point of no return. I won't vote for Hillary, but destroying one half of the UniParty is a necessary step, and Trump unwittingly is doing it, and immolating himself in the process. Hillary will have no honeymoon, as I expect to see more damning info on her in the coming months.

Is there a John Galt out there? We all have to become John Galt. I start my 19th year of teaching Old Testament to 6th graders in my parish. There are so many great life lessons in our curriculum, arming these young men and women with tools they can use to survive and thrive. I borrow a bit from Francisco d'Anconia when I tell them, "I am giving you the words you will need for the time you will need them."

Of the hundreds of kids that have gone through our program, they know who I am, if only for my role as the Jewish High Priest during our Solomon's Temple lesson. Those who were in my class ask me to follow them into 7th and 8th grade, except for my own kids, naturally...lol, one year with Dad is enough for them. All three of my kids have been in my class, as well as a niece and nephew. Over the next six years, another nephew and my grandson will have to endure a year of my class.

I have learned this is where I need to be, and too many adults are intimidated by the thought of trying to teach 6th graders. It's up to us at the grass roots level to find those niches where we can be a force for good, not only in the here and now, but in the future as well.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Hoodat on August 03, 2016, 03:50:46 pm
Trouble is, if Hillary manages to appoint a SCOTUS to wholly support the Progressive agenda plus add millions of new Dim voters to the population, there may never be a "conservative" candidate again. A fact conveniently overlooked.

The only ones overlooking it were Trump supporters who were hell-bent and determined to nominate the one candidate whom Hillary had the best chance of beating.  The nomination of Supreme Court Justices was not a concern of theirs.  They had their own progressive agenda in mind.  Correcting the excesses of the current Administration took a back seat to turning the tables against them.

Donald Trump was the revenge candidate.  Ted Cruz was the save-the-SCOTUS and block-the-progressive-agenda candidate.  You made your choice, now live with it.

This isn't some fresh revelation.  These points were brought up a year ago.  You knew this would happen. You knew your candidate was a liberal POS.  Yet you did it anyway.  You did it to us.  You screwed the whole country over by handing the White House to Hillary.  And now you have the effrontery to warn us?  Words cannot express the anger I have at the idiots who gave us the weakest candidate we could possibly have - at Bill Clinton's recommendation - to face Hillary.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: rodamala on August 03, 2016, 03:54:19 pm
This thread should have been locked and the Troll4Trump OP should have been sent back to FR.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Free Vulcan on August 03, 2016, 03:57:44 pm
All I got to say is - is Ted Cruz looking like a genius right now or what? So glad he didn't endorse the Trump Train Wreck.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Cripplecreek on August 03, 2016, 03:58:39 pm
The only ones overlooking it were Trump supporters who were hell-bent and determined to nominate the one candidate whom Hillary had the best chance of beating.  The nomination of Supreme Court Justices was not a concern of theirs.  They had their own progressive agenda in mind.  Correcting the excesses of the current Administration took a back seat to turning the tables against them.

Donald Trump was the revenge candidate.  Ted Cruz was the save-the-SCOTUS and block-the-progressive-agenda candidate.  You made your choice, now live with it.

This isn't some fresh revelation.  These points were brought up a year ago.  You knew this would happen. You knew your candidate was a liberal POS.  Yet you did it anyway.  You did it to us.  You screwed the whole country over by handing the White House to Hillary.  And now you have the effrontery to warn us?  Words cannot express the anger I have at the idiots who gave us the weakest candidate we could possibly have - at Bill Clinton's recommendation - to face Hillary.

(http://i.imgur.com/ZyvaIcb.png)
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: txradioguy on August 03, 2016, 04:00:35 pm
All I got to say is - is Ted Cruz looking like a genius right now or what? So glad he didn't endorse the Trump Train Wreck.

Looks like he'll be able to say "I told you so" in the wake of the news some Republicans are considering revoking their endorsements.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Cripplecreek on August 03, 2016, 04:05:35 pm
Looks like he'll be able to say "I told you so" in the wake of the news some Republicans are considering revoking their endorsements.

You would think someone had warned them but who am I to talk.

(http://i.imgur.com/QpB5rlb.jpg)
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Bigun on August 03, 2016, 04:08:51 pm
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Seems like I recall someone here predicting this very thing many months ago!
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: JustPassinThru on August 03, 2016, 04:11:50 pm
You would think someone had warned them but who am I to talk.

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I agree with you, but the nation, right now, is not ready for someone who talks of principles.

The people do not believe American principles and traditions will save us.  Having abandoned them, they blame them for the failure that's come of abandoning them.

They want a Superman.  That's the whole appeal of Trump...Eric Hoffer's Arrogant Gesture; the sneer, the profanity.  They do not right now want reason and discipline and to look to themselves - they want to be CARED for!  As liberals have been making that promise for a hundred years.

It was well for Cruz to have stayed far away - had, say, he'd kissed Trump's ring and prostrated himself, as the trumpies wanted; and gotten the VP slot...he'd be repeating Sarah Palin's Prilosec experience - with the added thrill of God the Donald blaming all that's wrong, on Cruz.

Sadly, this is not his time.  It may never be his time...Barry Goldwater and Jack Kemp, never saw their time, either.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Idaho_Cowboy on August 03, 2016, 04:26:37 pm
Seems like I recall someone here predicting this very thing many months ago!
A few somebodies. I have been saying for a while that things were going to change once all of the Trump train had ridden into the box canyon. The media has been milking this for ratings and will continue to do so only now they will get it through scandal and outrage.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on August 03, 2016, 05:12:19 pm
Trouble is, if Hillary manages to appoint a SCOTUS to wholly support the Progressive agenda plus add millions of new Dim voters to the population, there may never be a "conservative" candidate again. A fact conveniently overlooked.

If America hasn't figured out the the country is headed in the wrong direction by now, it may be a long while to the next epiphany.
Frankly, the trouble is that both parties have managed to orchestrate a political situation where there is always some damned stick to beat the voters with to make them vote the two political parties.
When the other party gets in (in desperation), the country moves away from the Constitution and Liberty and closer to totalitarianism, regardless of who is in power.
IF the Republican candidate wins we will NOT get any significant rollback in spending, there will not be a smaller Federal Government at the end of 4 years, there will be no reduction in the number or scope of regulations, and we will have still a SCOTUS which will still rewrite the law to rubber stamp unconstitutional acts, even as rewritten.
The executive branch will continue to write law (although they call it "regulations" or "codes"), the Congress will authorize instruments of debt as "money", and the SCOTUS and other courts will continue to legislate from the bench. Neither of the two Major Parties, little separated by ideology, will do anything to change that political situation they are not only comfortable with, but find eminently profitable.
As for SCOTUS, the penalty , rewritten into a 'tax' in Obamacare originated in the Senate, and revenue measures (taxes) are constitutionally required to originate in the House. Not only did the court overstep its bounds to uphold the act by rewriting it, the rewritten form was unconstitutional. For damned sure, revenue measures aren't supposed to originate in the SCOTUS.

Roberts did that and he was appointed by a Republican.

America has been headed in the wrong direction for well over a century. Continuing down this road is not improving matters, and voting for one party which will maybe bring chocolates, flowers, or a bottle of half-decent wine (because the other party won't) isn't going to change the outcome on the morning after.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: JustPassinThru on August 03, 2016, 05:20:20 pm
Frankly, the trouble is that both parties have managed to orchestrate a political situation where there is always some damned stick to beat the voters with to make them vote the two political parties.
When the other party gets in (in desperation), the country moves away from the Constitution and Liberty and closer to totalitarianism, regardless of who is in power.
IF the Republican candidate wins we will NOT get any significant rollback in spending, there will not be a smaller Federal Government at the end of 4 years, there will be no reduction in the number or scope of regulations, and we will have still a SCOTUS which will still rewrite the law to rubber stamp unconstitutional acts, even as rewritten.
The executive branch will continue to write law (although they call it "regulations" or "codes"), the Congress will authorize instruments of debt as "money", and the SCOTUS and other courts will continue to legislate from the bench. Neither of the two Major Parties, little separated by ideology, will do anything to change that political situation they are not only comfortable with, but find eminently profitable.
As for SCOTUS, the penalty , rewritten into a 'tax' in Obamacare originated in the Senate, and revenue measures (taxes) are constitutionally required to originate in the House. Not only did the court overstep its bounds to uphold the act by rewriting it, the rewritten form was unconstitutional. For damned sure, revenue measures aren't supposed to originate in the SCOTUS.

Roberts did that and he was appointed by a Republican.

America has been headed in the wrong direction for well over a century. Continuing down this road is not improving matters, and voting for one party which will maybe bring chocolates, flowers, or a bottle of half-decent wine (because the other party won't) isn't going to change the outcome on the morning after.

How would you get around this?

By having elections based not on individuals but on PARTY, and proportionate representation - that is, the parties given percentage of seats in the Legislature and then filling them with their operatives?

That is the "Parliamentary" system, and it creates very-unstable, very-weak governments in Europe.

If we have the direct election system that MADE us a stable republic, we will always have two bland parties - and third parties will always be marginalized.  Third parties siphon votes off the party most like them - they serve only as spoilers.

There is no other way.  Unless, of course, you want to put government in charge of how many parties there are and what they stand for.  That's been done, too - in Communist and other totalitarian systems.

Our TRUE problem is that, unlike years past, we're divided as a culture...not just divided, but cleaved; split wide apart.  And the real cleft is between the Political class and the citizenry.  THAT is where we are at and how we got there; and ONLY Term Limits and limits on government spending, can liquidate the Political Class.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on August 03, 2016, 05:39:59 pm
How would you get around this?

By having elections based not on individuals but on PARTY, and proportionate representation - that is, the parties given percentage of seats in the Legislature and then filling them with their operatives?

That is the "Parliamentary" system, and it creates very-unstable, very-weak governments in Europe.

If we have the direct election system that MADE us a stable republic, we will always have two bland parties - and third parties will always be marginalized.  Third parties siphon votes off the party most like them - they serve only as spoilers.

There is no other way.  Unless, of course, you want to put government in charge of how many parties there are and what they stand for.  That's been done, too - in Communist and other totalitarian systems.

Our TRUE problem is that, unlike years past, we're divided as a culture...not just divided, but cleaved; split wide apart.  And the real cleft is between the Political class and the citizenry.  THAT is where we are at and how we got there; and ONLY Term Limits and limits on government spending, can liquidate the Political Class.
I hate to say it, but the solution is to have a viable third party. Right now, there is no effective political juxtaposition, only the appearance of it. Both 'teams' (and it has been reduced to that significance) are playing the same game, and moving toward the same goal.

We need to get back to the basics, and only one party really has that as part of its platform.
That's the Constitution Party. It is not a political force (yet) but that can be built, just as the Republican Party was built. It is a matter of people recognizing that most of the problems of this Republic stem from getting away from the fundamental design, and voting or working to return to that design.
That is the reason I support the Constitution Party.
It isn't racetrack ready, but the right parts are there, and it will take some work to build it to run with the big two, but it can be done. Expect it to be savaged in the media from the start because the concepts are so old they are radical.
If you are interested, more info can be found here: http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,214526.msg0.html#new (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,214526.msg0.html#new)

Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: sneakypete on August 03, 2016, 05:45:46 pm
Trouble is, if Hillary manages to appoint a SCOTUS to wholly support the Progressive agenda plus add millions of new Dim voters to the population, there may never be a "conservative" candidate again. A fact conveniently overlooked.


@wolfcreek

COOL! Bring on the revolution! If that and similar things don't make it happen,it will never happen.

And make no mistake about it,America has been circling the drain for too long for anything short of a revolution and hanging the bastards in public can turn things around.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: sneakypete on August 03, 2016, 05:50:19 pm
If America had figured out we were headed in the wrong direction we wouldn't have Clinton and Clintrumpton on the ballot.

@Idaho_Cowboy

I disagree. The fact that those two ARE on the ballot is what is having so many voters from the actual left and the actual right up in arms and raising hell. The people HAVE figured out our former representative Republican government has been replaced by a fascist nobility state. The vast majority of them just haven't figured out what to do about it yet.

Or they have figured out what to do about it,and just aren't to the point they are ready to make that sort of move yet.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: The Jackal on August 03, 2016, 05:52:48 pm
@wolfcreek

COOL! Bring on the revolution! If that and similar things don't make it happen,it will never happen.

And make no mistake about it,America has been circling the drain for too long for anything short of a revolution and hanging the bastards in public can turn things around.

Excellent. Couldn't agree more. For all of the Trump supporters complaining about people 'concern-trolling' about his candidacy they fail to realize that their endorsement of the man based on their fear of a Hillary presidency is the ultimate in concern trolling. And some people, myself included, simply can't be frightened anymore into voting for someone. So as you say, bring on the revolution. And if America can't bring itself to muster up one then it gets what it deserves and I can live (or not) with that.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: sneakypete on August 03, 2016, 05:59:57 pm
I hate to say it, but the solution is to have a viable third party.

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@Smokin Joe

Close,but no cigar. I have been saying "What this country needs is an actual 2nd/Opposition Party" for at least the last 3 election cycles.

Ever since the Clinton Presidency we have only had a choice between "More of the same",or "MUCH more of the same".

That ain't a choice. It's a sentence.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: INVAR on August 03, 2016, 06:01:45 pm
The fact that those two ARE on the ballot is what is having so many voters from the actual left and the actual right up in arms and raising hell. The people HAVE figured out our former representative Republican government has been replaced by a fascist nobility state. The vast majority of them just haven't figured out what to do about it yet.

Or they have figured out what to do about it,and just aren't to the point they are ready to make that sort of move yet.

THIS! ^^^^^^^^
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Bigun on August 03, 2016, 06:23:11 pm
@Smokin Joe

Close,but no cigar. I have been saying "What this country needs is an actual 2nd/Opposition Party" for at least the last 3 election cycles.

Ever since the Clinton Presidency we have only had a choice between "More of the same",or "MUCH more of the same".

That ain't a choice. It's a sentence.

This! 

The FACT is that the two major parties we now have are merged inside  the Washington beltway. There IS no real opposition party as of today and, as we have recently witnessed, they will move heaven and earth to make sure it stays that way!!
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: JustPassinThru on August 03, 2016, 07:01:25 pm
I hate to say it, but the solution is to have a viable third party. Right now, there is no effective political juxtaposition, only the appearance of it. Both 'teams' (and it has been reduced to that significance) are playing the same game, and moving toward the same goal.

We need to get back to the basics, and only one party really has that as part of its platform.
That's the Constitution Party. It is not a political force (yet) but that can be built, just as the Republican Party was built. It is a matter of people recognizing that most of the problems of this Republic stem from getting away from the fundamental design, and voting or working to return to that design.
That is the reason I support the Constitution Party.
It isn't racetrack ready, but the right parts are there, and it will take some work to build it to run with the big two, but it can be done. Expect it to be savaged in the media from the start because the concepts are so old they are radical.
If you are interested, more info can be found here: http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,214526.msg0.html#new (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,214526.msg0.html#new)

What is a "party"?  Is it a sentient being, like an alien?

A party is a group of people organized around a purpose.  It's a STRUCTURE - and the structure is a tool.

The party reflects the morality of the people within it.  If the party lies and deceives, it's not the party's fault - it's the fault of the people inside it.

The way to solve this is to DISPLACE THOSE PEOPLE.

If you create a new party...not a third party but the 233rd party, there are several hundred already...and then LEAVE it to do the heavy lifting FOR you...the same sorts of people will get involved.  The political class.  Or else some other kook group, as has taken over the Losertarians.

The problem is the morality of people who are variously inside the political system or who want to become insiders.  Another party will not solve anything; it will just fragment, even more, the non-Communist, non-Leftist vote.

Term limits, limits on government spending and strict imposition of Constitutional limits, driven by State power and sovereignty, are our only solution.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: EC on August 03, 2016, 07:08:29 pm
What is a "party"?  Is it a sentient being, like an alien?

A party is a group of people organized around a purpose.  It's a STRUCTURE - and the structure is a tool.

The party reflects the morality of the people within it.  If the party lies and deceives, it's not the party's fault - it's the fault of the people inside it.

The way to solve this is to DISPLACE THOSE PEOPLE.

If you create a new party...not a third party but the 233rd party, there are several hundred already...and then LEAVE it to do the heavy lifting FOR you...the same sorts of people will get involved.  The political class.  Or else some other kook group, as has taken over the Losertarians.

The problem is the morality of people who are variously inside the political system or who want to become insiders.  Another party will not solve anything; it will just fragment, even more, the non-Communist, non-Leftist vote.

Term limits, limits on government spending and strict imposition of Constitutional limits, driven by State power and sovereignty, are our only solution.

Nailed it.  :beer:
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: wolfcreek on August 03, 2016, 07:27:53 pm
Yes no one is perfect but most people are sane. Eight years of having a narcissistic maniacal maniac in the oval office don't you think that it would give pause to any logical thinking person?

Maybe you will answer this question, trumpsters  insistence that we must vote for their man, even though the 'the donald' repeatedly and clearly said he doesn't need our vote. So please tell me how is our not voting at all a bad thing?

I'll tell you that the reason we lost in 2008 and 2012 was because large segments refused to vote for our candidate.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: wolfcreek on August 03, 2016, 07:32:29 pm
The only ones overlooking it were Trump supporters who were hell-bent and determined to nominate the one candidate whom Hillary had the best chance of beating.  The nomination of Supreme Court Justices was not a concern of theirs.  They had their own progressive agenda in mind.  Correcting the excesses of the current Administration took a back seat to turning the tables against them.

Donald Trump was the revenge candidate.  Ted Cruz was the save-the-SCOTUS and block-the-progressive-agenda candidate.  You made your choice, now live with it.

This isn't some fresh revelation.  These points were brought up a year ago.  You knew this would happen. You knew your candidate was a liberal POS.  Yet you did it anyway.  You did it to us.  You screwed the whole country over by handing the White House to Hillary.  And now you have the effrontery to warn us?  Words cannot express the anger I have at the idiots who gave us the weakest candidate we could possibly have - at Bill Clinton's recommendation - to face Hillary.

I voted for CRUZ so, you can stop with the "your candidate" crap. It all sounds like a cop out to me.

 Whiny babies lost the election so they are determined to let the Devil in a Pantsuit get the victory. That's real smart.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: wolfcreek on August 03, 2016, 07:36:18 pm
Frankly, the trouble is that both parties have managed to orchestrate a political situation where there is always some damned stick to beat the voters with to make them vote the two political parties.
When the other party gets in (in desperation), the country moves away from the Constitution and Liberty and closer to totalitarianism, regardless of who is in power.
IF the Republican candidate wins we will NOT get any significant rollback in spending, there will not be a smaller Federal Government at the end of 4 years, there will be no reduction in the number or scope of regulations, and we will have still a SCOTUS which will still rewrite the law to rubber stamp unconstitutional acts, even as rewritten.
The executive branch will continue to write law (although they call it "regulations" or "codes"), the Congress will authorize instruments of debt as "money", and the SCOTUS and other courts will continue to legislate from the bench. Neither of the two Major Parties, little separated by ideology, will do anything to change that political situation they are not only comfortable with, but find eminently profitable.
As for SCOTUS, the penalty , rewritten into a 'tax' in Obamacare originated in the Senate, and revenue measures (taxes) are constitutionally required to originate in the House. Not only did the court overstep its bounds to uphold the act by rewriting it, the rewritten form was unconstitutional. For damned sure, revenue measures aren't supposed to originate in the SCOTUS.

Roberts did that and he was appointed by a Republican.

America has been headed in the wrong direction for well over a century. Continuing down this road is not improving matters, and voting for one party which will maybe bring chocolates, flowers, or a bottle of half-decent wine (because the other party won't) isn't going to change the outcome on the morning after.

Well, sit home and watch football.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on August 03, 2016, 07:36:41 pm
I'll tell you that the reason we lost in 2008 and 2012 was because large segments refused to vote for our candidate.
I guess it wasn't so much 'our' candidate, then.

Two elections and someone still hasn't figured this stuff out?

Morphing to the LEFT, becoming more like the other party in denial of what people have wanted: opposition to the Left, and a clear, distinct choice.

Trump may have harnessed the anger of part of the base, but he's still a liberal down deep.

When faced with two New York Liberals, people are more likely to not bother to pick one.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: wolfcreek on August 03, 2016, 07:38:43 pm
@wolfcreek

COOL! Bring on the revolution! If that and similar things don't make it happen,it will never happen.

And make no mistake about it,America has been circling the drain for too long for anything short of a revolution and hanging the bastards in public can turn things around.

I don't doubt there will be some sort of revolutionary change but, I don't think we're going to like it.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: wolfcreek on August 03, 2016, 07:40:37 pm
I guess it wasn't so much 'our' candidate, then.

Two elections and someone still hasn't figured this stuff out?

Morphing to the LEFT, becoming more like the other party in denial of what people have wanted: opposition to the Left, and a clear, distinct choice.

Trump may have harnessed the anger of part of the base, but he's still a liberal down deep.

When faced with two New York Liberals, people are more likely to not bother to pick one.

Then may the biggest loser win.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: RetBobbyMI on August 03, 2016, 07:42:21 pm
I'll tell you that the reason we lost in 2008 and 2012 was because large segments refused to vote for our candidate.
If large segments of the population refuse to vote for the GOP candidate, that say something of the qualities and virtues of said candidate. It is no different this election cycle.  Anyone who chooses to vote for a candidate just because he/she is from a particular party, is voting based on wrong reasoning.  Cruz was right. We should vote based on our conscious, not allegiance.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: INVAR on August 03, 2016, 07:43:02 pm
I'll tell you that the reason we lost in 2008 and 2012 was because large segments refused to vote for our candidate.

You and your prince repeatedly told us that you did not need, nor want our support or votes to 'win'.  You were gonna do it without us.

So pound sand on your whining about the large segments who are going to refuse to vote for your prince.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on August 03, 2016, 07:44:18 pm
Well, sit home and watch football.
Part of fixing a problem is identifying it. Fix the wrong thing, and the problem will continue to exist or become worse.

If you have read my other responses, you will see that I advocate building the Constitution Party into a political force to oppose the uniparty. It will take more than just little ol' me, because parties are groups of like minded people.

If enough people want to return to our Constitutional government, as intended, the Constitution Party will grow. If people are unaware of that option or don't bother actually reading the party platform and listen to the uniparty folks, it won't grow.

As for football, I couldn't care less. Tax people to build a stadium so you can charge them to come in and watch people who make a lot of money throw a ball, and call those people 'heroes'. It's a game. Meh.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: txradioguy on August 03, 2016, 07:46:14 pm
If large segments of the population refuse to vote for the GOP candidate, that say something of the qualities and virtues of said candidate. It is no different this election cycle.  Anyone who chooses to vote for a candidate just because he/she is from a particular party, is voting based on wrong reasoning.  Cruz was right. We should vote based on our conscious, not allegiance.

I would point out too that in 2008 and 2012 we were also told those candidates candidates were the ones we HAD to vote for because they were the only one who could beat the Dems.

Those that don't learn from history...
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: INVAR on August 03, 2016, 07:47:32 pm

When faced with two New York Liberals, people are more likely to not bother to pick one.

Actually, people will pick the bigger Liberal, the larger Leftist, the greater Statist.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Bigun on August 03, 2016, 07:47:56 pm
Part of fixing a problem is identifying it. Fix the wrong thing, and the problem will continue to exist or become worse.

If you have read my other responses, you will see that I advocate building the Constitution Party into a political force to oppose the uniparty. It will take more than just little ol' me, because parties are groups of like minded people.

If enough people want to return to our Constitutional government, as intended, the Constitution Party will grow. If people are unaware of that option or don't bother actually reading the party platform and listen to the uniparty folks, it won't grow.

As for football, I couldn't care less. Tax people to build a stadium so you can charge them to come in and watch people who make a lot of money throw a ball, and call those people 'heroes'. It's a game. Meh.

"There are thousands hacking at the branches of evil to one who is striking at the root."

Henry David  Thoreau
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on August 03, 2016, 08:22:07 pm
Actually, people will pick the bigger Liberal, the larger Leftist, the greater Statist.
Why screw around with the lesser evil?
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: wolfcreek on August 04, 2016, 12:06:59 pm
If large segments of the population refuse to vote for the GOP candidate, that say something of the qualities and virtues of said candidate. It is no different this election cycle.  Anyone who chooses to vote for a candidate just because he/she is from a particular party, is voting based on wrong reasoning.  Cruz was right. We should vote based on our conscious, not allegiance.

That doesn't really explain the Hillary voters now does it?
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: wolfcreek on August 04, 2016, 12:08:11 pm
You and your prince repeatedly told us that you did not need, nor want our support or votes to 'win'.  You were gonna do it without us.

So pound sand on your whining about the large segments who are going to refuse to vote for your prince.

Can it.

your own edit wasn't enough
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: sneakypete on August 04, 2016, 12:20:04 pm
That doesn't really explain the Hillary voters now does it?

@wolfcreek

Sure it does. You have to HAVE a mind in order to develop a conscience,and they are nothing but mindless sheep.

Much like their counterparts that blindly vote Republican.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Norm Lenhart on August 04, 2016, 12:23:25 pm
That's BS, Norm. We don't want a Obama third term skirt taking the White House.

You people who want the 'perfect' candidate [of which there were none] only hurt the chances of ever achieving your Utopia by encouraging those who might be on the fence to either vote for her or some third party wannabe.

If Hillary wins the Left will have control over the narrative and law for the next generation. That is my whole reason for even bothering to be here.

No, it's 100% true and the proof is in your voting for and support on these forums of, liberal candidates like Romney, Trump, Bhoner, Mitch and the rest every single election without fail.

Stomp your widdle feets about it all you like. Doesn't change demonstrated history. Voters like you put America in the place it is with your actions.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: sitetest on August 04, 2016, 12:27:23 pm
The only ones overlooking it were Trump supporters who were hell-bent and determined to nominate the one candidate whom Hillary had the best chance of beating.  The nomination of Supreme Court Justices was not a concern of theirs.  They had their own progressive agenda in mind.  Correcting the excesses of the current Administration took a back seat to turning the tables against them.

Donald Trump was the revenge candidate.  Ted Cruz was the save-the-SCOTUS and block-the-progressive-agenda candidate.  You made your choice, now live with it.

This isn't some fresh revelation.  These points were brought up a year ago.  You knew this would happen. You knew your candidate was a liberal POS.  Yet you did it anyway.  You did it to us.  You screwed the whole country over by handing the White House to Hillary.  And now you have the effrontery to warn us?  Words cannot express the anger I have at the idiots who gave us the weakest candidate we could possibly have - at Bill Clinton's recommendation - to face Hillary.

 :amen:
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: wolfcreek on August 04, 2016, 12:44:27 pm
No, it's 100% true and the proof is in your voting for and support on these forums of, liberal candidates like Romney, Trump, Bhoner, Mitch and the rest every single election without fail.

Stomp your widdle feets about it all you like. Doesn't change demonstrated history. Voters like you put America in the place it is with your actions.

Guess I shouldn't have voted for Cruz but, at least I voted.

As far as "foot stomping" you #Nevergetoffyourasses" but, #activelyhelpelectclinton, take the cake.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: sneakypete on August 04, 2016, 12:46:17 pm

Quote from: Hoodat on August 03, 2016, 11:50:46 AM
    The only ones overlooking it were Trump supporters who were hell-bent and determined to nominate the one candidate whom Hillary had the best chance of beating.  The nomination of Supreme Court Justices was not a concern of theirs.  They had their own progressive agenda in mind.  Correcting the excesses of the current Administration took a back seat to turning the tables against them.

    Donald Trump was the revenge candidate.  Ted Cruz was the save-the-SCOTUS and block-the-progressive-agenda candidate.  You made your choice, now live with it.

    This isn't some fresh revelation.  These points were brought up a year ago.  You knew this would happen. You knew your candidate was a liberal POS.  Yet you did it anyway.  You did it to us.  You screwed the whole country over by handing the White House to Hillary.  And now you have the effrontery to warn us?  Words cannot express the anger I have at the idiots who gave us the weakest candidate we could possibly have - at Bill Clinton's recommendation - to face Hillary.


 :amen:

 :amen:  :amen:
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Norm Lenhart on August 04, 2016, 01:10:44 pm
Guess I shouldn't have voted for Cruz but, at least I voted.

As far as "foot stomping" you #Nevergetoffyourasses" but, #activelyhelpelectclinton, take the cake.

And on election day you'll vote in, or TRY to, Trump. Lifelong liberal.

I vote for conservatives. I bake my own cake. Liberal free.

Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Kinsman Redeemer on August 04, 2016, 01:19:59 pm
For me, Cruz was the best choice for our country.  There were at least 5 choices that were better than Trump.

Now, we're stuck with a narcissist who can't focus (for long) and anything but himself.



At the heart of it, we have a cultural problem brought on by a pervasive moral problem.

Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Bigun on August 04, 2016, 01:22:22 pm
And on election day you'll vote in, or TRY to, Trump. Lifelong liberal.

I vote for conservatives. I bake my own cake. Liberal free.

#nevertrump #neverhillary

I don't vote for democrats regardless of the party label they choose to run under!
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Norm Lenhart on August 04, 2016, 01:24:29 pm
For me, Cruz was the best choice for our country.  There were at least 5 choices that were better than Trump.

Now, we're stuck with a narcissist who can't focus (for long) and anything but himself.



At the heart of it, we have a cultural problem brought on by a pervasive moral problem.

Yes. The problem is gutless people that run to liberals every election. Which leads to more liberal indoctrination of society, which leads to more liberals elected the following election. Rinse/repeat.

The communist Manifisto and the planks spelled it out pretty clearly. See also 1936 Communist goals.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Bigun on August 04, 2016, 01:32:18 pm
Yes. The problem is gutless people that run to liberals every election. Which leads to more liberal indoctrination of society, which leads to more liberals elected the following election. Rinse/repeat.

The communist Manifisto and the planks spelled it out pretty clearly. See also 1936 Communist goals.

Right on Norm! Right on!  I'll bet you there are not one in a hundred on this forum who have ever read either!
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Just_Victor on August 04, 2016, 01:33:46 pm
... 

There were at least 5 choices that were better than Trump.

...   

But that was after the field of candidates had winnowed down to Cruz, Kasich, & Trump.  He was definitely 5th on my list at that point.

Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Norm Lenhart on August 04, 2016, 01:38:21 pm
Right on Norm! Right on!  I'll bet you there are not one in a hundred on this forum who have ever read either!

Quick story. Back when I did the off-road.com thing, I had a copy of the CM on my desk as we often refered to it when showing the origins of environ'mental'ism in America.

We had an IT guy come in for some reason or another and he was from Vietnam.. Dude freaked.

"DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE THAT THING KILLED!?!?!?!"

Once I explained it's purpose there, he was thankful that people were being told the truth of it. Not what they were being taught in the media and schools.

People don't want to read it because if they do, they will 'know'. And there's too much TV to worry about for that.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Bigun on August 04, 2016, 01:40:55 pm
Quick story. Back when I did the off-road.com thing, I had a copy of the CM on my desk as we often refered to it when showing the origins of environ'mental'ism in America.

We had an IT guy come in for some reason or another and he was from Vietnam.. Dude freaked.

"DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE THAT THING KILLED!?!?!?!"

Once I explained it's purpose there, he was thankful that people were being told the truth of it. Not what they were being taught in the media and schools.

People don't want to read it because if they do, they will 'know'. And there's too much TV to worry about for that.

 :amen:
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Idaho_Cowboy on August 04, 2016, 03:17:33 pm
#Nevergetoffyourasses" but, #activelyhelpelectclinton, take the cake.
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The mottos of Trump's life!
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Idaho_Cowboy on August 04, 2016, 03:24:17 pm
Yes. The problem is gutless people that run to liberals every election. Which leads to more liberal indoctrination of society, which leads to more liberals elected the following election. Rinse/repeat.

The communist Manifisto and the planks spelled it out pretty clearly. See also 1936 Communist goals.
Nailed it. This country is a willing victim of increamentalism. You see it in politicians, the goal posts have been sneaking left across the field. JFK would be a radical right winger today. All of the founding father's would darn near be anarchists for the smallness of government they invisioned. Thanks to the grand idea of an undefined progess children are taught this is the way it should be.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: INVAR on August 04, 2016, 03:52:48 pm
Quote from: INVAR on August 03, 2016, 02:43:02 PM
You and your prince repeatedly told us that you did not need, nor want our support or votes to 'win'.  You were gonna do it without us.

So pound sand on your whining about the large segments who are going to refuse to vote for your prince.


Can it. REMOVED BY MOD3b]

So now we are insulting morons if we remind you that you people and your prince told us you did not want nor need our support or votes. 

You can still go pound sand bitching and moaning about those large segments who are not voting for Hillary's Trojan Stalking Horse.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: musiclady on August 04, 2016, 04:04:04 pm
For me, Cruz was the best choice for our country.  There were at least 5 choices that were better than Trump.

Now, we're stuck with a narcissist who can't focus (for long) and anything but himself.



At the heart of it, we have a cultural problem brought on by a pervasive moral problem.

Absolutely @Kinsman Redeemer ............ at the core, the problem of this election is the deep moral issues in America today.  I believe the worst of it began in the 1960's when ethics were discarded and "If it feels good, do it" became the mantra of boomers and they raised their children in a valueless vacuum.

We used to have one party who stood up (at least to a degree) against the cultural morass, and we used to have a Church that did as well.   Now we have Republicans, and sometimes "Christians" supporting an amoral, corrupt narcissist.

And those of us who maintain that morality and character matter are given NO choice in this election.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Cripplecreek on August 04, 2016, 04:18:55 pm
For me, Cruz was the best choice for our country.  There were at least 5 choices that were better than Trump.

Now, we're stuck with a narcissist who can't focus (for long) and anything but himself.



At the heart of it, we have a cultural problem brought on by a pervasive moral problem.

I just started reading "A time for truth" and was pleased to see that Ted Cruz relates the tragic story of Sam Houston in exactly the same light I've seen it in.

Sam Houston was a brilliant patriotic man who rose to the governors mansion by being a principled man who never betrayed his principles and standing by the state he loved. He was driven from office by an angry unthinking mob mentality for the simple crime of telling them the truth. It cost more than a half million lives including Houston's own son but in the end the truth of Sam Houston's principled stance was proven true.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Night Hides Not on August 04, 2016, 05:15:03 pm
I just started reading "A time for truth" and was pleased to see that Ted Cruz relates the tragic story of Sam Houston in exactly the same light I've seen it in.

Sam Houston was a brilliant patriotic man who rose to the governors mansion by being a principled man who never betrayed his principles and standing by the state he loved. He was driven from office by an angry unthinking mob mentality for the simple crime of telling them the truth. It cost more than a half million lives including Houston's own son but in the end the truth of Sam Houston's principled stance was proven true.

I'm seeing more of the French Revolution in this election. Trump is a kindred spirit of Maximilian Robespierre. Should we tell Mr. Trump that things didn't end so well for Messr. Robespierre?

One only needs to consider the "discourse" found in TOS to prove that my opinion is based on fact.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Cripplecreek on August 04, 2016, 05:19:31 pm
I'm seeing more of the French Revolution in this election. Trump is a kindred spirit of Maximilian Robespierre. Should we tell Mr. Trump that things didn't end so well for Messr. Robespierre?

One only needs to consider the "discourse" found in TOS to prove that my opinion is based on fact.

It doesn't end much better for Robespierre's supporters either. It happens every single time.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: sneakypete on August 04, 2016, 05:32:04 pm
Yes. The problem is gutless people that run to liberals every election. Which leads to more liberal indoctrination of society, which leads to more liberals elected the following election. Rinse/repeat.

The communist Manifisto and the planks spelled it out pretty clearly. See also 1936 Communist goals.

@Norm Lenhart

Absolutely! Is it any wonder none of Bubbette!'s alleged Republican opponents have the stones to mention she worked first for the Black Panthers in NY during summer law school recess,and then with the Communist Party USA in California,as a legal aide?

I have to wonder how many Dim voters even know that? WHY does no one mention it?
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Night Hides Not on August 04, 2016, 05:32:15 pm
Absolutely @Kinsman Redeemer ............ at the core, the problem of this election is the deep moral issues in America today.  I believe the worst of it began in the 1960's when ethics were discarded and "If it feels good, do it" became the mantra of boomers and they raised their children in a valueless vacuum.

We used to have one party who stood up (at least to a degree) against the cultural morass, and we used to have a Church that did as well.   Now we have Republicans, and sometimes "Christians" supporting an amoral, corrupt narcissist.

And those of us who maintain that morality and character matter are given NO choice in this election.

May I recommend to you the novel "Once an Eagle" by Anton Myrer. It has been used in the curriculum at the Army War College for many years. I first read it as a young Lieutenant in the late 70s. It's the story of two Army officers: Sam Damon, who earned a battlefield commission in WWI, and Courtney Massengale, born of wealth and position who went to West Point. Courtney used his political skills to stay one rank ahead of Sam.

I aspired to be an officer of Sam's stature and character, but I never quite got there. I found it interesting that so few officers ever read the book. I was a voracious reader during my tour in Germany, before the invention of VCRs and satellite TV. No, I wasn't a hermit, as most evenings I would dine at the local gasthaus, working on my German conversational skills.

Now that I'm (much) older, I sometimes long for the "good old days", whether it was as a platoon leader or battalion staff officer. I came to relish the responsibilities of being in a leadership position. The leader's code is simple and to the point: "Everything my unit does, or fails to do, is my responsibility." That was the genesis of Harry Truman's "The Buck Stops Here", as he was a Field Artillery officer in WWI.

I'm deeply concerned that even in the military, the code of the leader is fading as much as our morals.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: sneakypete on August 04, 2016, 05:35:51 pm

@Idaho_Cowboy

 JFK would be a radical right winger today. All of the founding father's would darn near be anarchists for the smallness of government they invisioned. Thanks to the grand idea of an undefined progess children are taught this is the way it should be.

Remember how the Kennedy Klan took an immediate hard left the instant JFK was assassinated? Bobby,the Bolshevik,had even been the lead council on McCarthy's House un-American Activities  List seeking out communist agents in government one day,and the next day HE ARE ONE.

Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: sneakypete on August 04, 2016, 05:42:43 pm

We used to have one party who stood up (at least to a degree) against the cultural morass, <<

@musiclady

I am old enough to remember when BOTH parties were anti-communist. Remember,it was JFK that ordered the invasion of Cuba,even if he punked out once it started,and it was JFK that sent the first Special Forces troops to VN to teach the SVN army how to combat the guerilla warfare tactics in use before the NVA started showing up.

Then it was LBJ,another prominent Dim president that ended up sending 500,000 troops there to fight the NVA. Eventually,communist agents inside the Dim party like Senator Fulbright and others corrupted so many Dim Party officials or had blackmail on them to the point where they took over the party.

I will always believe the Soviets had proof of Bobby and Teddy being involved in the murder of Marilyn Monroe,and that was why Bobby suddenly took a hard left political turn.

Now they also own the Republicans. Ironic when you consider they no longer have any power in Russia,ain't it?


>>and we used to have a Church that did as well.  <<

Only because they saw communism as their most serious rival for money and power.

 >>Now we have Republicans, and sometimes "Christians" supporting an amoral, corrupt narcissist.<<

The Christian crowd were already communists at heart,they just didn't  know it.

We no longer have any actual Republicans holding powerful political positions,and haven't had any since the Dim left infiltrated the Republican Party after Newt led the conservative revolution and took over control of congress for the first time in 40 years. They managed to force conservatives out of office and power positions using blackmail and a complicit media at the political middle power levels,while the old Country Club Republicans wiped out conservatism at the upper levels of political power.


Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on August 04, 2016, 06:34:36 pm
Absolutely @Kinsman Redeemer ............ at the core, the problem of this election is the deep moral issues in America today.  I believe the worst of it began in the 1960's when ethics were discarded and "If it feels good, do it" became the mantra of boomers and they raised their children in a valueless vacuum.

We used to have one party who stood up (at least to a degree) against the cultural morass, and we used to have a Church that did as well.   Now we have Republicans, and sometimes "Christians" supporting an amoral, corrupt narcissist.

And those of us who maintain that morality and character matter are given NO choice in this election.
I remember starting the school day with The Lord's Prayer (Of course, we were Catholic Kids so we left the last two lines of the Protestant version out, but that just illustrates how those who choose not to partake in all or part of a prayer didn't have to.), and the Pledge of Allegiance. That was in the public schools.

Nowadays, any child who stood up and said either would have a trip to the office...

IMHO, that was the era when the moral compass got broken, when people stopped acknowledging the existence of a power greater than anything humans will ever create, and when people stopped believing our country is the best one on the planet, the desire to stay that way faded fast.

Most of this is nothing more than a long-running Communist PSYOP, but it has been very effective in reducing the expectations of Liberty people have. When I was a kid, no one would have tolerated the petty tyranny of a HOA, much less the acts of a government run amok. (If the neighbor's grass was 'too long', we'd have offered to mow it, and for free if they were sick or couldn't work, but a kid with a lawnmower could make money that way then. Now the government would be on them for everything from child labor to operating a business without a license to HAZMAT cleanup if they spilled any gas to not having worker's compensation insurance...etc., and likely at the insistence of a 'caring' neighbor.)
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on August 04, 2016, 06:38:45 pm
@Norm Lenhart

Absolutely! Is it any wonder none of Bubbette!'s alleged Republican opponents have the stones to mention she worked first for the Black Panthers in NY during summer law school recess,and then with the Communist Party USA in California,as a legal aide?

I have to wonder how many Dim voters even know that? WHY does no one mention it?
I like the irony in her working to impeach Nixon for perjury and obstruction of justice, the same things Bubba was impeached for.
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: sneakypete on August 04, 2016, 06:43:30 pm
I like the irony in her working to impeach Nixon for perjury and obstruction of justice, the same things Bubba was impeached for.

@Smokin Joe

If you want irony,you don't have to go that far forward. Her first job fresh out of lawschool was as a drone for the Senate Watergate Committee (as you eluded to),and she was fired from that job after SHE was caught destroying evidence favorable to Nixon,and fabricating evidence against him. In other words,obstructing justice.

Odd how not one single mainstream news organization in the whole country can manage to find time to report that,ain't it?
Title: Re: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE
Post by: Smokin Joe on August 04, 2016, 08:33:43 pm
@Smokin Joe

If you want irony,you don't have to go that far forward. Her first job fresh out of lawschool was as a drone for the Senate Watergate Committee (as you eluded to),and she was fired from that job after SHE was caught destroying evidence favorable to Nixon,and fabricating evidence against him. In other words,obstructing justice.

Odd how not one single mainstream news organization in the whole country can manage to find time to report that,ain't it?
And they won't find the time, either--oh look! Squirrel! And it's ORANGE!!

The more things change, the more they stay the same.