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« Reply #4075 on: August 14, 2024, 11:21:12 pm »
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« Reply #4076 on: August 15, 2024, 09:40:00 pm »
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« Reply #4077 on: August 15, 2024, 09:40:32 pm »
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« Reply #4078 on: August 15, 2024, 09:41:25 pm »
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« Reply #4079 on: August 15, 2024, 09:42:04 pm »
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« Reply #4080 on: August 15, 2024, 09:46:57 pm »
Ukrainian Troops Capture Their First Big Town In Russia’s Kursk Oblast—And Take A Record Number of Russian Prisoners

Chechen blocking units turned back retreating Russian troops in Sudzha—so they surrendered, instead.

David Axe  |  Aug 15, 2024  |  04:47pm EDT


Russian prisoners in Kursk Oblast.Via War Translated

Eight days into Ukraine’s invasion of Russia’s Kursk Oblast, the Ukrainian invasion corps—some or all of five mechanized brigades, three air assault brigades and several independent battalions—has fully occupied its first major settlement: the town of Sudzha.

But the Ukrainians didn’t just capture Sudzha with its pre-invasion population of 5,100—they also captured many of the Russian troops who were defending the town.

Ukrainian special forces took 102 Russian prisoners as Sudzha fell on Wednesday. “This is the largest one-time ‘catch’ since the beginning of the full-scale invasion of Ukraine,” according to an Estonian analyst who posts under WarTranslated.

How those Russians from the 488th Motor Rifle Regiment became prisoners speaks volumes about the main dynamics of the ongoing battle in Kursk.

When Ukrainian forces rolled into Kursk on Aug. 6, the first Russian troops they encountered weren’t the Russian military’s best professional troops. Instead, they were lightly equipped, ambivalently led conscripts.

It was official Russian policy that conscripts—men between the ages of 18 and 30 who performed a year of mandatory military service—would strictly serve in second-line military roles. They wouldn’t see combat.

That changed in Kursk, as the Ukrainian advance overtook units and parts of units that were never supposed to be on the front line. There have been several instances of large groups of bewildered and terrified Russian conscripts, some of whom only fired a few rifle rounds during their cursory military training, surrendering to battle-hardened Ukrainian troops.  .  .  .

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2024/08/15/ukrainian-troops-capture-their-first-big-town-in-russias-kursk-oblast-and-take-a-record-number-of-russian-prisoners/

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« Reply #4081 on: August 15, 2024, 09:48:16 pm »
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« Reply #4082 on: August 15, 2024, 09:52:43 pm »
Ukraine’s Incursion Into Russia Flips the Script on Putin

The reality of 130,000 displaced Russians and a chaotic official response may begin to puncture the official line that Russia is steadily heading toward victory.

Anton Troianovski - Berlin, and Alina Lobzina - London  |  Aug. 15, 2024  |   Updated 10:18 a.m. ET

Families fleeing invading Ukrainian troops sought shelter from strangers. Russian parents feared that their children might be sent into battle for the first time.

And in a televised crisis meeting on Monday, President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia flipped through a white legal pad, reading aloud from handwritten notes, suggesting that his aides did not have the time to type up a speech for him as they usually do.

Ukraine’s surprise incursion into a sliver of Russia’s Kursk region last week has not shifted the overall course of the war, but it has already struck a blow well beyond the few hundred square miles of Russia that Ukraine now controls: It has thrust a Russian government and society that had largely adapted to war into a new phase of improvisation and uncertainty.

Mr. Putin has said nothing about the incursion since meeting with security and regional officials, a tense gathering in which the president at one point berated the Kursk governor for revealing the depth and breadth of Ukraine’s advance into Russia. Near the border, where, the authorities say, more than 130,000 people have fled or been evacuated, regional officials appeared unprepared for the crisis — prompting grass-roots aid initiatives to jump in.

To opposition-minded politicians, including some of the few remaining inside Russia, Ukraine’s incursion has offered a rare chance to puncture the Kremlin’s narrative that Russia is steadily heading toward victory —  .  .  .

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/15/world/europe/ukraine-russia-incursion-putin.html
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #4083 on: August 15, 2024, 09:57:42 pm »
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« Reply #4084 on: August 15, 2024, 10:00:51 pm »
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« Reply #4085 on: August 15, 2024, 10:09:16 pm »
The generals are preparing criminal cases for the failure of the defense of the Kursk region

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The "cleansing" of the Russian Ministry of Defense, which began after the dismissal of Sergei Shoigu, may continue with a new series of arrests of high-ranking security officials who failed the defense of the Kursk region, where Ukrainian troops have been in charge for more than a week.

The consequence of what is happening near Kursk, where Moscow has lost control over the territory of 1000 square kilometers and 82 settlements, may be criminal cases against representatives of the military and security authorities, Verstka reports, citing sources in the government and parliament. The persecution may also affect civilian officials who allowed this situation, the publication's interlocutors said.

From the invasion of the Armed Forces of Ukraine - the largest since the beginning of the war against Ukraine - President Vladimir Putin has already fallen into disgrace with the head of the General Staff, Valery Gerasimov, who has been leading the Russian group in Ukraine since January 2023. According to Bloomberg, Gerasimov knew about Kyiv's plans, but did not inform Putin. The incident could negatively affect Gerasimov's career, a source of The Moscow Times warned earlier.

For 14 years, Gerasimov, who heads the General Staff, was not included in the number of participants in a meeting at the Ministry of Defense on August 15, where the head of the department, Andrei Belousov, was presented with a plan of additional measures for the defense of the Kursk region. Since August 9, the head of the FSB, Alexander Bortnikov, has been coordinating the actions of law enforcement agencies in the region: it is he who leads the counter-terrorist operation, the regime of which was announced in the Kursk, Belgorod and Bryansk regions.

Since the beginning of May, at least five generals have been arrested in the Ministry of Defense, each of whom has been charged with corruption articles. Among them are the head of the Main Directorate of Personnel, Lieutenant General Yuri Kuznetsov, Deputy Head of the Main Directorate of Innovative Development, Major General Vladimir Shesterov, former commander of the 58th Army, Major General Ivan Popov, Head of the Main Directorate of Communications (GUS) of the Russian Armed Forces, Lieutenant General Vadim Shamarin, Head of the Main Directorate of Personnel of the Ministry of Defense, Lieutenant General Yuri Kuznetsov. In April, Shoigu's key deputy, Timur Ivanov, was detained and arrested in the case of a billion-dollar bribe.

The unprecedented campaign to arrest generals and senior Defense Ministry officials is taking place with the consent of the Kremlin  .  .  .

https://www.moscowtimes.eu/2024/08/15/generalam-gotovyat-ugolovnie-dela-zaproval-oboroni-kurskoi-oblasti-a139581
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« Reply #4086 on: August 15, 2024, 10:12:09 pm »
The "cleansing" of the Russian Ministry of Defense - Khrushchev style.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IQJY5SsJ64
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« Reply #4087 on: August 15, 2024, 10:15:27 pm »
Ukrainian Forces Take Control of 82 Settlements and Expand 1,150 km² in Kursk Region

Amira Barkhush  |  Aug 15, 2024  |  15:25

The Ukrainian Armed Forces have captured 82 settlements and moved in 1,150 km² and 35 km in depth since the beginning of Ukraine’s incursion into the Kursk region in Russia.

This was reported by Oleksandr Syrskyi, the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine during the meeting of the Staff of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief held by President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelenskyy on August 15.  .  .

https://united24media.com/latest-news/ukrainian-forces-take-control-of-82-settlements-and-expand-1150-km2-in-kursk-region-1763
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« Reply #4088 on: August 15, 2024, 10:17:39 pm »
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« Reply #4089 on: August 15, 2024, 10:21:43 pm »
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« Reply #4090 on: August 15, 2024, 10:22:30 pm »
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« Reply #4091 on: August 15, 2024, 10:28:07 pm »
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« Reply #4092 on: August 15, 2024, 10:33:17 pm »
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« Reply #4093 on: August 15, 2024, 10:33:53 pm »
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« Reply #4094 on: August 16, 2024, 12:41:37 pm »
@Hoodat  Thank you for a series of awesome and informative posts in the past few days!  :yowsa:

I very much agree that Putin is right that it is foolish to negotiate with someone like Putin.  ****slapping

I've also heard a number of people now discussing what China is observing from Russia's inability to secure its border with Ukraine when Russia is at war with Ukraine.

Add to this information that so many Russian units in the Far East were completely removed to fight in Ukraine and that much of the Far East is virtually undefended then the time is ripe for China to invade and retake their Siberian territories from the Russian invaders.

Examples that I can find of Russian forces entirely removed to Ukraine:

39th Mechanized Brigade (Khomutovo, Sakhalin) - removed to Donbas with the 68th Army Corps HQ subsumed into 22nd Army Corps HQ based in Simferopol, Ukraine.

Almost all of the 35th Army (Belogorsk, Amur) has been relocated to Ukraine but dispersed as replacements to bolster units in theatre. 165th Artillery Brigade might be operating cohesively under the 1st Army Corps in Donetsk.

120th Artillery Brigade (Yurga, Kemerovo) has been in Ukraine for over two years now and they may have been obliterated or disbanded and subsumed into other groups.

37th Mechanized Brigade (Kyakhta, Buryatia on the Mongolian border) can be viewed on Google Maps and their facilities in Kyakhta are all but abandoned. All of the armored vehicles are gone and only a few trucks are left. The helicopter base is abandoned.

I can keep going but this is the same story in almost all of the Far East. Even the 5th Army that ostensibly protects the naval base at Vladivostok is clearly gutted.

China is surely seeing this since anyone can see this same thing just by looking at Google Maps.
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« Reply #4095 on: August 16, 2024, 01:59:14 pm »
Irkutsk, the area where the Tu-22M3 ("Backfire") crashed, is far out of Ukraine's reach by air or ground forces. The likely causes are that the best maintained Tu-22Ms and best maintenance personnel got moved near to Ukraine, and this plane was in less than great condition, due to age and/or less than excellent maintenance. Sabotage is possible, of course.

Comparatively speaking, Ukraine has increased the area it controls and the much larger territory in which it marauds fairly freely pretty rapidly. Not bad for a country who, 2 weeks ago, Ukraine-Haters were claiming was on it last legs, incapable of a significant offensive operation. Though not committed as a division, Ukrainian forces in the Kursk offensive are about division strength, and Russia is experiencing the consequences of arrogantly/foolishly stripping combat-capable forces out of an "inactive" border area. Somehow Russia failed to notice a brigade plus other units being built up and staged near Kursk.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #4096 on: August 16, 2024, 03:37:56 pm »
If we take Putin and Russian propagandists at their own words, then Russia has already suffered crushing 'defeat' in this war.

None of this was ever supposed to happen.

This is very far from a 3 day war. Ukraine could have done this from the beginning if Biden had not tied their hands with political threats and embargos. From what we see today, without the Biden admin interference, the war could have ended months ago.

Biden did not want "victory" on either side. The American view of war is always stalemate ... never actual victory. The same policy can be seen in Israel with Hamas.
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« Reply #4097 on: August 16, 2024, 04:00:01 pm »
Quote from: 240B on August 16, 2024, 03:37:56 pm
This is very far from a 3 day war. Ukraine could have done this from the beginning if Biden had not tied their hands with political threats and embargos. From what we see today, without the Biden admin interference, the war could have ended months ago.

$40 billion in drones at the onset, and there wouldn't be a single Russian soldier alive today.
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« Reply #4098 on: August 16, 2024, 04:00:59 pm »
@MeganC

Thank you for posting the Order of Battle info.
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« Reply #4099 on: August 16, 2024, 04:06:01 pm »
Wonder how the Chicoms like the thought of Putin guarding their Western flank now?

I understand the likes of Mongolia and all the "Stans" aren't really that enamored with China.
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