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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #4000 on: August 12, 2024, 12:27:55 pm »
Quote from: Weird Tolkienish Figure on August 12, 2024, 11:22:04 am
Wow... this may be Russia's greatest military failure since the Russo Japanese war. Hope Putin dies of a heart attack.

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« Reply #4001 on: August 12, 2024, 01:44:06 pm »
Russians surrender in Kursk as Ukrainians advance with momentum

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Ukrainians have captured more Russian soldiers in the Kursk region. This time, it's a group of about 30 Russian soldiers, most likely conscripts, defending the Kursk region from attacks by Kyiv's troops.

Another video showing disarmed Russians has appeared online. According to Ukrainian Channel 24, the defense of the Kursk region was mainly managed by conscripts and regular troops, who reportedly fled from the advancing Ukrainians. The conscripts, however, ended up in captivity.


https://twitter.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1822726461981090253

The Deep State channel on Telegram published a video, which is said to be from the first days of the attack on the Kursk region. It shows Russian soldiers kneeling in a row, waiting for transport. Ukrainian soldiers also searched the prisoners. In another shot, we see Russians lying on the road.  .  .

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« Reply #4002 on: August 12, 2024, 04:33:02 pm »
Quote from: Hoodat on August 12, 2024, 12:06:23 am
Desperation:  Russians in a hurry - building straight line trenches, which will not be good to any troops occupying it.

It'll be most convenient when that trench gets turned into a mass grave for said Russian troops.
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« Reply #4003 on: August 12, 2024, 07:11:55 pm »
Supposedly this is Putin leaving the Kremlin in a hurry to his bunker...



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« Reply #4004 on: August 12, 2024, 10:19:57 pm »
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« Reply #4005 on: August 12, 2024, 10:20:33 pm »
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« Reply #4006 on: August 12, 2024, 10:22:52 pm »
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« Reply #4007 on: August 12, 2024, 10:24:28 pm »
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« Reply #4008 on: August 12, 2024, 10:25:20 pm »
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« Reply #4009 on: August 12, 2024, 10:30:18 pm »
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« Reply #4010 on: August 12, 2024, 10:31:50 pm »
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« Reply #4011 on: August 12, 2024, 10:33:29 pm »
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« Reply #4012 on: August 12, 2024, 10:36:50 pm »
Russian Helicopter Hits Russian Military Convoy in Kursk Region And Destroys Own "Msta-S", Media Reports

Aug 12, 2024  |  22:56



According to the Russian language service of “Radio Liberty,” reports from Russian Telegram channels have emerged that a Russian Ka-52M helicopter mistakenly attacked a Russian military convoy, resulting in the destruction of a 2S19M2 'Msta-S' self-propelled howitzer. The claim was made by the Telegram channel 'Russia No Context,' which posted images of the damaged vehicle. The channel says the images were submitted to them by a follower.

The incident is believed to have occurred near the village of Krivitskie Budy in the Belovsky District of the Kursk Region, more than 30 kilometers from the area under Ukrainian control. However, “Radio Liberty” says that “these reports have yet to be independently confirmed.”

https://united24media.com/latest-news/russian-helicopter-mistakenly-hits-russian-military-convoy-in-kursk-region-and-destroys-its-own-msta-s-media-reports-1711
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« Reply #4013 on: August 12, 2024, 10:37:59 pm »
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« Reply #4014 on: August 12, 2024, 10:41:21 pm »
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« Reply #4015 on: August 12, 2024, 10:47:05 pm »
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« Reply #4016 on: August 12, 2024, 10:54:30 pm »
Ukraine’s invasion of Russia is erasing Vladimir Putin’s last red lines

Peter Dickinson  |  August 11, 2024

In the early hours of August 6, units of the Ukrainian army crossed the border into Russia’s Kursk Oblast in a surprise move that ended a two-and-a-half year taboo over military operations on Russian soil. The goals of this ambitious Kursk incursion are still shrouded in mystery and subject to much debate, but it is already clear that Ukraine’s decision to invade Russia has succeeded in making a complete mockery of Vladimir Putin’s red lines and the West’s fears of escalation.

Ukraine’s summer offensive is a watershed moment in the current war and an historic milestone in its own right. For the first time since World War II, Russia has been invaded by a foreign army. Initial reports indicate that this ambitious operation was prepared amid great secrecy over a period of months. Ukraine managed to catch the Russians completely off-guard, with Ukrainian forces advancing tens of kilometers into Kursk Oblast during the first days of the campaign.

Ukraine’s political and military leaders have so far remained remarkably tight-lipped about the invasion, saying very little publicly and providing few details. Nevertheless, it is possible to identify a number of likely objectives.

Ukraine’s most obvious intention is probably to ease the military pressure in the south and east of the country, where Russia has been slowly but steadily advancing in recent months. By attacking across the lightly defended border and seizing Russian territory, Ukrainian commanders believe they can force the Kremlin to withdraw troops from the front lines of the war in Ukraine in order to redeploy them for the defense of Russia itself.  .  .  .

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« Reply #4017 on: August 12, 2024, 10:55:50 pm »
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« Reply #4018 on: August 12, 2024, 10:58:06 pm »
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« Reply #4019 on: August 12, 2024, 11:00:54 pm »
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« Reply #4020 on: August 12, 2024, 11:06:28 pm »
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« Reply #4021 on: August 13, 2024, 08:24:12 am »
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« Reply #4022 on: August 13, 2024, 09:27:30 am »
Russia evacuates 180,000 as Ukraine is said to take 28 towns

American Military News 8/13/2024

Ukraine’s military has taken control of 28 towns and villages in Russia’s Kursk border region, prompting a sixth of its population to flee the incursion, the acting regional governor told President Vladimir Putin.

More than 120,000 people have left their homes and about 60,000 more are waiting to be evacuated, Alexey Smirnov told Putin and Russia’s top security officials during a televised meeting on Monday. Ukrainian forces have penetrated at least 12 kilometers (7.5 miles) into Russia and control a border area at least 40 kilometers wide, though there’s “no clear understanding” of where their troops are, he said.

The frank assessment of the scale of the Ukrainian intervention prompted Putin to interrupt the governor, telling him to focus on “helping people” and leave the military to assess the battlefield situation. The broadcast ended shortly afterward.

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« Reply #4023 on: August 13, 2024, 10:14:57 am »
This incursion, reminds me of the 1862-1863 Confederate incursion into Maryland and Pennsylvannia.

Hope they have better luck than we had. 
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« Reply #4024 on: August 13, 2024, 10:42:36 am »
Quote from: Hoodat on August 12, 2024, 10:36:50 pm
Russian Helicopter Hits Russian Military Convoy in Kursk Region And Destroys Own "Msta-S", Media Reports

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According to the Russian language service of “Radio Liberty,” reports from Russian Telegram channels have emerged that a Russian Ka-52M helicopter mistakenly attacked a Russian military convoy, resulting in the destruction of a 2S19M2 'Msta-S' self-propelled howitzer. The claim was made by the Telegram channel 'Russia No Context,' which posted images of the damaged vehicle. The channel says the images were submitted to them by a follower.

The incident is believed to have occurred near the village of Krivitskie Budy in the Belovsky District of the Kursk Region, more than 30 kilometers from the area under Ukrainian control. However, “Radio Liberty” says that “these reports have yet to be independently confirmed.”

https://united24media.com/latest-news/russian-helicopter-mistakenly-hits-russian-military-convoy-in-kursk-region-and-destroys-its-own-msta-s-media-reports-1711

Given the distance from Ukrainian controlled territory, this illustrates how Ukraine's deep penetrations strategy has Russians reeling and how incomplete/confused Russian communications are. The convoy that was hit was bringing up reinforcements - Fast Ukrainian attack columns wouldn't be dragging howitzers along with them - and the Ka-52 outfit didn't know reinforcements were travelling through the area (the Ka-52 crew also didn't think about the meanings of the convoy's direction of travel or the type of equipment it was transporting).
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« Reply #4031 on: August 13, 2024, 11:25:55 pm »
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« Reply #4032 on: August 13, 2024, 11:28:31 pm »
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« Reply #4035 on: August 13, 2024, 11:38:46 pm »
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« Reply #4036 on: August 13, 2024, 11:45:53 pm »
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« Reply #4037 on: August 13, 2024, 11:46:41 pm »
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« Reply #4038 on: August 13, 2024, 11:48:26 pm »
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« Reply #4039 on: August 13, 2024, 11:51:51 pm »
The Russian Federation has begun the “demilitarization” of Kaliningrad against the background of fighting in the Kursk region, – Lithuanian Defense Minister

Kateryna Chernoval  |  23:02  |  13.08.24

The Ukrainian operation in the Kursk region of the Russian Federation has been going on for several days. Russia began to transfer troops there not only from the front in Ukraine, but also from Kaliningrad.

This was said by the Minister of National Defense of Lithuania, Laurinas Kaschyunas, during a meeting with the President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelenskyi in Kyiv. He also expressed respect for Ukraine’s actions “in the north” and emphasized that now no one is saying that “red lines” have been crossed.

“I say to the Lithuanian people: look at how the Ukrainians are fighting for you, because because of their struggle they (the Russians, ed.) have to withdraw their troops from Kaliningrad. We even call it the “demilitarization” of Kaliningrad, which is happening thanks to the bravery of your soldiers, thanks to your decisions,” Kaschyunas said.

https://ukrainetoday.org/the-russian-federation-has-begun-the-demilitarization-of-kaliningrad-against-the-background-of-fighting-in-the-kursk-region-lithuanian-defense-minister/
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« Reply #4040 on: August 13, 2024, 11:52:58 pm »
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« Reply #4041 on: August 13, 2024, 11:54:52 pm »
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« Reply #4042 on: August 13, 2024, 11:56:08 pm »
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« Reply #4043 on: August 14, 2024, 12:03:12 am »
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« Reply #4044 on: August 14, 2024, 11:11:50 am »
Is Ukraine trying to "Hold" Kursk? Or are they minimizing consolidation in order to deny use of the area to Russia while preserving mobility and expanding the areas Russia will find too risky for operation?

Ukraine's offensive has succeeded in forcing Russia to divert forces from their meatgrinder offenses and is threatening to shut down a key Russian infrastructure asset.
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« Reply #4045 on: August 14, 2024, 11:15:46 am »
Quote from: PeteS in CA on August 14, 2024, 11:11:50 am
Is Ukraine trying to "Hold" Kursk? Or are they minimizing consolidation in order to deny use of the area to Russia while preserving mobility and expanding the areas Russia will find too risky for operation?

Ukraine's offensive has succeeded in forcing Russia to divert forces from their meatgrinder offenses and is threatening to shut down a key Russian infrastructure asset.

Like I said earlier in this thread, I think this is a tactic similar to what the CSA did in 1862-1863 in Maryland and Pennsylvania.  The Confederates knew they'd never conquer the North, but figured an precise sucessful mini-invasion would sour the citizens against Lincoln, and bring about a brokered  peace.

No one thinks these guys are going to reach Moscow.
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« Reply #4046 on: August 14, 2024, 11:32:03 am »
Correct.  I'll also add that one of Lee's objectives, at least during the Pennsylvania Campaign of 1863, was Harrisburg.  He wanted to sever the rail and communication lines between the northern states and Washington, DC and Philadelphia, and threaten those two cities from the rear.  He might have gotten away with it too if 1) Lincoln had not replaced Hooker with Meade, and 2) Buford's cavalry had not accidentally run into A.P. Hill's Corps at Gettysburg.  At that moment, Dick Ewell and Jubal Early were already in York at the Susquehanna, while Rhodes was out Carlisle, and they would have all converged on Harrisburg in a day or two, if that had not happened.  Trick of fate!
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« Reply #4047 on: August 14, 2024, 02:56:56 pm »
Quote from: catfish1957 on August 14, 2024, 11:15:46 am

No one thinks these guys are going to reach Moscow.

I wouldn't rule it out. A few weeks ago no one expected this either.

A Ukrainian march on Moscow is unlikely but far more likely now than it was a few weeks ago.
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« Reply #4048 on: August 14, 2024, 03:04:06 pm »
Quote from: catfish1957 on August 14, 2024, 11:15:46 am
Like I said earlier in this thread, I think this is a tactic similar to what the CSA did in 1862-1863 in Maryland and Pennsylvania.  The Confederates knew they'd never conquer the North, but figured an precise sucessful mini-invasion would sour the citizens against Lincoln, and bring about a brokered  peace.

No one thinks these guys are going to reach Moscow.
Success breeds success. I would not rule it out. The scent of blood in the water is a powerful thing.
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« Reply #4049 on: August 14, 2024, 03:09:09 pm »



HE DID THIS!
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