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« Reply #4025 on: August 13, 2024, 11:13:01 pm »
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« Reply #4027 on: August 13, 2024, 11:15:22 pm »
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« Reply #4029 on: August 13, 2024, 11:18:02 pm »
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« Reply #4030 on: August 13, 2024, 11:23:07 pm »
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« Reply #4031 on: August 13, 2024, 11:25:55 pm »
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« Reply #4032 on: August 13, 2024, 11:28:31 pm »
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« Reply #4033 on: August 13, 2024, 11:30:40 pm »
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« Reply #4034 on: August 13, 2024, 11:37:33 pm »
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« Reply #4035 on: August 13, 2024, 11:38:46 pm »
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« Reply #4036 on: August 13, 2024, 11:45:53 pm »
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« Reply #4037 on: August 13, 2024, 11:46:41 pm »
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« Reply #4038 on: August 13, 2024, 11:48:26 pm »
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« Reply #4039 on: August 13, 2024, 11:51:51 pm »
The Russian Federation has begun the “demilitarization” of Kaliningrad against the background of fighting in the Kursk region, – Lithuanian Defense Minister

Kateryna Chernoval  |  23:02  |  13.08.24

The Ukrainian operation in the Kursk region of the Russian Federation has been going on for several days. Russia began to transfer troops there not only from the front in Ukraine, but also from Kaliningrad.

This was said by the Minister of National Defense of Lithuania, Laurinas Kaschyunas, during a meeting with the President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelenskyi in Kyiv. He also expressed respect for Ukraine’s actions “in the north” and emphasized that now no one is saying that “red lines” have been crossed.

“I say to the Lithuanian people: look at how the Ukrainians are fighting for you, because because of their struggle they (the Russians, ed.) have to withdraw their troops from Kaliningrad. We even call it the “demilitarization” of Kaliningrad, which is happening thanks to the bravery of your soldiers, thanks to your decisions,” Kaschyunas said.

https://ukrainetoday.org/the-russian-federation-has-begun-the-demilitarization-of-kaliningrad-against-the-background-of-fighting-in-the-kursk-region-lithuanian-defense-minister/
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« Reply #4040 on: August 13, 2024, 11:52:58 pm »
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« Reply #4041 on: August 13, 2024, 11:54:52 pm »
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« Reply #4042 on: August 13, 2024, 11:56:08 pm »
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« Reply #4043 on: August 14, 2024, 12:03:12 am »
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« Reply #4044 on: August 14, 2024, 11:11:50 am »
Is Ukraine trying to "Hold" Kursk? Or are they minimizing consolidation in order to deny use of the area to Russia while preserving mobility and expanding the areas Russia will find too risky for operation?

Ukraine's offensive has succeeded in forcing Russia to divert forces from their meatgrinder offenses and is threatening to shut down a key Russian infrastructure asset.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #4045 on: August 14, 2024, 11:15:46 am »
Quote from: PeteS in CA on August 14, 2024, 11:11:50 am
Is Ukraine trying to "Hold" Kursk? Or are they minimizing consolidation in order to deny use of the area to Russia while preserving mobility and expanding the areas Russia will find too risky for operation?

Ukraine's offensive has succeeded in forcing Russia to divert forces from their meatgrinder offenses and is threatening to shut down a key Russian infrastructure asset.

Like I said earlier in this thread, I think this is a tactic similar to what the CSA did in 1862-1863 in Maryland and Pennsylvania.  The Confederates knew they'd never conquer the North, but figured an precise sucessful mini-invasion would sour the citizens against Lincoln, and bring about a brokered  peace.

No one thinks these guys are going to reach Moscow.
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« Reply #4046 on: August 14, 2024, 11:32:03 am »
Correct.  I'll also add that one of Lee's objectives, at least during the Pennsylvania Campaign of 1863, was Harrisburg.  He wanted to sever the rail and communication lines between the northern states and Washington, DC and Philadelphia, and threaten those two cities from the rear.  He might have gotten away with it too if 1) Lincoln had not replaced Hooker with Meade, and 2) Buford's cavalry had not accidentally run into A.P. Hill's Corps at Gettysburg.  At that moment, Dick Ewell and Jubal Early were already in York at the Susquehanna, while Rhodes was out Carlisle, and they would have all converged on Harrisburg in a day or two, if that had not happened.  Trick of fate!
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #4047 on: August 14, 2024, 02:56:56 pm »
Quote from: catfish1957 on August 14, 2024, 11:15:46 am

No one thinks these guys are going to reach Moscow.

I wouldn't rule it out. A few weeks ago no one expected this either.

A Ukrainian march on Moscow is unlikely but far more likely now than it was a few weeks ago.
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« Reply #4048 on: August 14, 2024, 03:04:06 pm »
Quote from: catfish1957 on August 14, 2024, 11:15:46 am
Like I said earlier in this thread, I think this is a tactic similar to what the CSA did in 1862-1863 in Maryland and Pennsylvania.  The Confederates knew they'd never conquer the North, but figured an precise sucessful mini-invasion would sour the citizens against Lincoln, and bring about a brokered  peace.

No one thinks these guys are going to reach Moscow.
Success breeds success. I would not rule it out. The scent of blood in the water is a powerful thing.
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« Reply #4049 on: August 14, 2024, 03:09:09 pm »



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