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« Reply #3975 on: August 12, 2024, 12:12:10 am »
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« Reply #3976 on: August 12, 2024, 12:14:00 am »
More surrendering Russians.  On their own soil.

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« Reply #3977 on: August 12, 2024, 12:15:20 am »
If a political party does not have its foundation in the determination to advance a cause that is right and that is moral, then it is not a political party; it is merely a conspiracy to seize power.     -Dwight Eisenhower-

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If a political party does not have its foundation in the determination to advance a cause that is right and that is moral, then it is not a political party; it is merely a conspiracy to seize power.     -Dwight Eisenhower-

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If a political party does not have its foundation in the determination to advance a cause that is right and that is moral, then it is not a political party; it is merely a conspiracy to seize power.     -Dwight Eisenhower-

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« Reply #3980 on: August 12, 2024, 12:22:46 am »
If a political party does not have its foundation in the determination to advance a cause that is right and that is moral, then it is not a political party; it is merely a conspiracy to seize power.     -Dwight Eisenhower-

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« Reply #3981 on: August 12, 2024, 12:26:13 am »
If a political party does not have its foundation in the determination to advance a cause that is right and that is moral, then it is not a political party; it is merely a conspiracy to seize power.     -Dwight Eisenhower-

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« Reply #3982 on: August 12, 2024, 12:26:46 am »
If a political party does not have its foundation in the determination to advance a cause that is right and that is moral, then it is not a political party; it is merely a conspiracy to seize power.     -Dwight Eisenhower-

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« Reply #3983 on: August 12, 2024, 12:27:43 am »
If a political party does not have its foundation in the determination to advance a cause that is right and that is moral, then it is not a political party; it is merely a conspiracy to seize power.     -Dwight Eisenhower-

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« Reply #3984 on: August 12, 2024, 12:28:12 am »
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« Reply #3985 on: August 12, 2024, 12:29:13 am »
If a political party does not have its foundation in the determination to advance a cause that is right and that is moral, then it is not a political party; it is merely a conspiracy to seize power.     -Dwight Eisenhower-

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If a political party does not have its foundation in the determination to advance a cause that is right and that is moral, then it is not a political party; it is merely a conspiracy to seize power.     -Dwight Eisenhower-

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If a political party does not have its foundation in the determination to advance a cause that is right and that is moral, then it is not a political party; it is merely a conspiracy to seize power.     -Dwight Eisenhower-

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3989 on: August 12, 2024, 12:42:52 am »
The United States Limits How Ukraine May Use U.S.-Made Munitions Against Targets On Russian Soil. Does That Change Now That Ukraine Has Invaded Russia?

The definition of 'border' might be changing as Ukrainian troops push into Russia.

David Axe  |  Aug 10, 2024


For two years after Russia widened its war on Ukraine, it was U.S. policy that Ukrainian forces should not use U.S.-supplied weaponry to strike targets in Russia, but only in Russian-occupied Ukraine. Any violation could impact further American aid to Ukraine.

This spring, amid escalating objections from Ukrainian leaders, the administration of U.S. president Joe Biden somewhat loosened the restrictions—allowing, for the first time, Ukrainian troops to use American munitions for “counter-battery” attacks on Russian artillery actively firing from positions inside Russia.

But those restrictions didn’t allow deeper strikes on, for instance, Russian airfields with, say, American-made Army Tactical Missile System rockets ranging as far as 190 miles.

Ukraine’s counter-invasion of Russia’s Kursk Oblast starting on Tuesday weighs on that policy. After all, the Ukrainians now actively are fighting on Russian soil.

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“But as the dynamics have shifted on the battlefield, they’ve been able to actually push the Russians back further into Russian territory,” Singh added, clearly referring to Ukraine’s counter-invasion of Russia’s Kursk Oblast starting on Tuesday.  .  .

https://daxe.substack.com/p/the-united-states-limits-how-ukraine



By Putin's own standards,  Ukraine can now declare all of Kursk Oblast to be part of Ukraine, and thus can use Western arms to strike any Russian target within the allowed distance from the Kursk border.
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« Reply #3990 on: August 12, 2024, 12:49:41 am »
Ukrainian Troops Are Digging Trenches In Russia’s Kursk Oblast. It’s A Sign They Plan To Stay.

Every day the Russians don’t counterattack is a day the Ukrainians dig in deeper.

David Axe  |  Aug 11, 2024  |  04:22pm EDT


On the sixth day of Ukraine’s advance into Kursk Oblast in southern Russia, there’s growing evidence the Ukrainian invasion corps—some or all of up to five 2,000-person brigades plus at least one 400-person independent battalion—plans to stay.

The Ukrainians are digging trenches. Anticipating static warfare along or near the existing front line, the Russians are digging in, too.

That both sides are fortifying their positions doesn’t mean the Ukrainians are done advancing. Nor does it mean the Russians can’t counterattack—and push the Ukrainians back to the border, 10 miles away.

But it does mean that stabilization of the front line—and a long-term Ukrainian occupation of part of Kursk—is on the table.

Russian military correspondent Aleksandr Kharchenko observed Ukrainian forces digging trenches in Kursk on Sunday. He described it as “the worst thing that can happen,” according to a translation of his missive by Estonian analyst War Translated.

Ukrainian sources have spotted industrial excavators at work on both sides of the front line.

“Once the enemy picks up shovels, in two days it will be just as difficult to take the forest stands as it was near Avdiivka"  .  .  .

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2024/08/11/ukrainian-troops-are-digging-trenches-in-russias-kursk-oblast-its-a-sign-they-plan-to-stay/
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3991 on: August 12, 2024, 12:52:10 am »
If a political party does not have its foundation in the determination to advance a cause that is right and that is moral, then it is not a political party; it is merely a conspiracy to seize power.     -Dwight Eisenhower-

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3992 on: August 12, 2024, 02:14:49 am »
How God must weep at humans' folly! Stand fast! God knows what he is doing!
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3993 on: August 12, 2024, 06:39:13 am »
The Russians hauled a bunch of old tires into the tower and lit them up to send a warning about what might happen if the Ukrainians took the Kursk Nuclear Power Plant.
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« Reply #3994 on: August 12, 2024, 08:02:35 am »
Join The Reagan Caucus: https://reagancaucus.org/ and the Eisenhower Caucus: https://EisenhowerCaucus.org

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3995 on: August 12, 2024, 09:25:34 am »
I'm looking forward to next year's Victory Day parade in Red Square being led by the Ukrainian Tractor Brigade!  happy77

That does seem more likely to happen than Putin celebrating Easter 2025 in Kyiv.
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« Reply #3996 on: August 12, 2024, 09:59:23 am »
I've been trying find a map that gives an idea of how much territory Ukraine controls in Kursk. I haven't looked this AM, but between Ukraine not releasing current info, for obvious reasons, and Ukraine's strategy of spearheads aggressively attacking very deep while operations to control what has been penetrated happening much more slowly, I'm not finding a clearer picture.

What seems to have happened and be happening, so far, is that Russia stripped the Kursk border area (and other areas) of relatively capable troops to feed their all-but-stalled meatgrinder offensives farther south while assuming Ukraine was incapable of assembling a highly capable force for an offensive operation. BZZzzzzt! Wrong! Ukraine was able and did, and seems to have used a combination of close coordination between attacking forces and drones isolating attacked zones electronically and high-speed attack columns penetrating far deeper than what Ukrainian forces actually occupy (the low quality of Russian forces making this a risky but viable strategy).

Russia has no great short-term options for defending Kursk. Sticking with what they got hasn't been working. Stripping forces away from their meatgrinder offensive operations risks reversals on those active fronts. Committing reserves, if they have any, takes those reserves away from the offensive operations for which they were intended. Whether stripped from offensive spearheads or reserves, forces and equipment in motion take time and are exposed to attacks enroute. What Russia does with how much, if any, success remains to be seen.
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« Reply #3997 on: August 12, 2024, 11:13:50 am »
This 12+ minute video gives somewhat of an update:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpiaRNApR6I

The long trench the Russians have dug is impressive, but might be more of an anti-tank obstacle. What soldier would want to be stationed in a straight trench several Km long?

WRT Russia's claim that Ukraine is using captured Russian tanks with Russian marking, well, both are using Soviet era equipment. The claim may also be smokescreen around the capture, mentioned in the video, of 3 modernish T-80 tanks abandoned in Sudzha.

The number and breadth of Ukrainian assaults in the area is interesting. I wonder if one of their goals is to bite off a chunk of Kursk akin to what Russia has bit off of Ukraine.
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If, as anti-Covid-vaxxers claim, https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2021/robert-f-kennedy-jr-said-the-covid-19-vaccine-is-the-deadliest-vaccine-ever-made-thats-not-true/ , https://gospelnewsnetwork.org/2021/11/23/covid-shots-are-the-deadliest-vaccines-in-medical-history/ , The Vaccine is deadly, where in the US have Pfizer and Moderna hidden the millions of bodies of those who died of "vaccine injury"?

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« Reply #3998 on: August 12, 2024, 11:22:04 am »
Wow... this may be Russia's greatest military failure since the Russo Japanese war. Hope Putin dies of a heart attack.

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« Reply #3999 on: August 12, 2024, 12:27:38 pm »
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Made me laugh because I just yesterday got some spam email telling me that I am "preapprove" for a 'tractor loan'. Yes, I can buy a tractor and the government will back me. OK? I guess? I don't know? I guess now I will buy a tractor. What the hell do I care?

Who ever expected that one of the most effective tools of the war would have been tractors that the Ukrainians have used to recover and repurpose Russian armor?

And who expected that Russia would turn out to be Ukraine's #1 supplier of armored vehicles?  :silly:
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