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Trump: Transgender people can use whatever bathroom they want
By NICK GASS 04/21/16 08:49 AM EDT
Transgender people should be able to use whatever bathroom they want, Donald Trump said Thursday.
"Oh, I had a feeling that question was going to come up, I will tell you. North Carolina did something that was very strong. And they're paying a big price. There's a lot of problems," the Republican presidential candidate said during a town hall event on NBC's "Today."
Referring to comments from an unnamed commentator who on Wednesday said North Carolina should "leave it the way it is right now," Trump said he agreed.
"Leave it the way it is. North Carolina, what they're going through with all the business that's leaving, all of the strife -- and this is on both sides. Leave it the way it is," he said, referring to companies that have canceled plans to move or expand businesses in the state as a result of the law, which bans transgender individuals from using a bathroom that does not match their gender at birth.
"There have been very few complaints the way it is. People go. They use the bathroom that they feel is appropriate," Trump said. "There has been so little trouble. And the problem with what happened in North Carolina is the strife and the economic -- I mean, the economic punishment that they're taking."
Matt Lauer then asked whether Trump has any transgender people working for his company.
"I really don't know. I probably do. I really don't know," Trump said, answering that he would allow, say, transgender celebrity Caitlyn Jenner to use whatever bathroom she wanted at Trump Tower.
He added, "You know, there's a big move to create new bathrooms. Problem with that is for transgender, that would be—first of all, I think that would be discriminatory in a certain way. That would be unbelievably expensive for businesses in the country. Leave it the way it is."
Read more: http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-gop-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/04/trump-transgender-bathrooms-222257#ixzz46T3aMUqi
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Mulder's Shroom Ride
@proteinwisdom
Not kidding: Trump supporters LITERALLY changing their trans - stances in real time now that Donald has spoken. WHAT DO WE HATE? FEDERALISM!
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David Marcus @BlueBoxDave 5m5 minutes ago
Trump's sudden emergence as a Trans rights advocate is a preview of how he will throw conservatism under the bus if nominated. Count on it.
Ben Shapiro @benshapiro 3m3 minutes ago
Trumpsters will insist that Trump is just pivoting -- they know the REAL @realdonaldtrump, and he would never betray them.
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Hey! That's discrimination in it's rawest form. Special privilege for trannies and not gays and straights? Where are the equal rights people? *look*
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And Trump thinks Harriett Tubman on the $20 bill is "political correctness."
I think Harriet Tubman is fantastic. I’d love to leave Andrew Jackson, and see if we can maybe come up with another denomination. Maybe the $2 bill or another bill. I don’t like seeing it. Yes, I think it’s pure political correctness. Been on the bill for many, many years. and really represented somebody that’s really was very important to this country. I would love to see another denomination, and that could take place, I think it would be more appropriate.
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/trump-calls-harriet-tubman-20-pure-political-correctness-suggests-separate-but-unequal-bill/
So replacing a slave holder with an abolitionist is "politically correct," but allowing biological men to use women's restrooms is cool.
This won't matter one bit to the Trumpkins.
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Nobody asked Trump what Andrew Jackson did that was so great.
No doubt he would have answered "Well, he did some things, and they were really great things, let me tell you."
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Nobody asked Trump what Andrew Jackson did that was so great.
No doubt he would have answered "Well, he did some things, and they were really great things, let me tell you."
Aside from the Battle of New Orleans, Jackson was a lousy President
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The Donald's liberalism is showing. How many of his supporters will defend this crap?
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The Donald's liberalism is showing. How many of his supporters will defend this crap?
They will claim that he didn't say those things.
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Shahien NasiripourVerified account
@nasiripour
"Jack Mehoff, 19, praised Trump as a 'hardworking, smart individual...'"
He was joined in this praise by Heywood Jablomey.
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social conservatives are never ever voting for this freak show
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Some FReepers seem to be in shock. lol.
Jim Rob now has a choice, will he embrace the real liberal Donnie. Can a man who can't keep pervs out of the girls toilet keep illegals out of the country... :silly: :silly:
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Are we seriously going to make transgender bathrooms a bedrock Republican issue in a campaign for the one political office that can do nothing about it -- the POTUS? Are not our hands already filled to the brim with abortion and same-sex marriage? :shrug:
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Are we seriously going to make transgender bathrooms a bedrock Republican issue in a campaign for the one political office that can do nothing about it -- the POTUS? Are not our hands already filled to the brim with abortion and same-sex marriage? :shrug:
Trump's all for gender-neutral bathrooms but wants to throw women in jail for abortions.
Twist yourself in knots, RIV, explaining that one.
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This won't be his only move left. Look for the move left to come rapid fire as he thinks he is running in the general election. Right from The Art of the Deal. Say whatever he needs to for the mark in front of him. He will now play to the middle and left.
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Trump's all for gender-neutral bathrooms but wants to throw women in jail for abortions.
Twist yourself in knots, RIV, explaining that one.
Sink, you are becoming unglued. And it's not pretty.
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Sink, you are becoming unglued. And it's not pretty.
You can't discuss Trump's policies, can you? Hell, TRUMP can't discuss Trump's policies.
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Are we seriously going to make transgender bathrooms a bedrock Republican issue in a campaign for the one political office that can do nothing about it -- the POTUS? Are not our hands already filled to the brim with abortion and same-sex marriage? :shrug:
Handing access to little girls to pedophiles, yes, that is something we can fight.
He also likes abortion laws as they are.
Trump also says he is open to raising taxes on anyone.
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Before this campaign is done he's going to be moving so far left, we can just nickname him Donald "Rated X" Trump.
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Handing access to little girls to pedophiles, yes, that is something we can fight.
He also likes abortion laws as they are.
Trump also says he is open to raising taxes on anyone.
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That's three strikes ..... and you know what that means! :seeya:
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Makes sense:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IrE6FMpai8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IrE6FMpai8)
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You can't discuss Trump's policies, can you? Hell, TRUMP can't discuss Trump's policies.
You don't present Trump's policies. You present twisted fantasies. I've no desire to engage you in those.
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You don't present Trump's policies. You present twisted fantasies. I've no desire to engage you in those.
YOU cannot discuss Trump's policies. That's a fact. All you present over in your little play pen are generic bromides.....bullshit for the Trumpkins.
Trump has no idea who Harriet Tubman is, but he thinks she shouldn't replace Andrew Jackson on the $20 bill. Wanna guess why?
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Can't address the issue .... so retreat to twisted fantasy. I've finally figured out the #NeverTrump crowd. (Boy, this is a double-edged sword *bouche* )
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Can't address the issue .... so retreat to twisted fantasy. I've finally figured out the #NeverTrump crowd. (Boy, this is a double-edged sword *bouche* )
Uh, it's a video of Trump. I didn't alter it in any way.
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You don't present Trump's policies. You present twisted fantasies. I've no desire to engage you in those.
That's exactly what Sink did here, present his policy based on his own words today. That wasn't fantasy.
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Uh, it's a video of Trump. I didn't alter it in any way.
RIV is a hit-and-run artist. She refuses to discuss any issue, but screams at anyone who does.
You can post video of Trump and she'll insist you're "twisting" what he himself said.
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Trump has no core beliefs. He could say the opposite thing tomorrow and not one of his supporters would think ill of him for it. His entire history is one of saying whatever he thinks he needs to say to gain the support of whoever he thinks is listening.
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Ben Shapiro @benshapiro 11m11 minutes ago
Aren't Trump people insulted by how stupid Trump thinks they are? Or are they too stupid to get it?
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"Everything is negotiable"
"I am capable of becoming anything I want"
Not a conservative at all, he is a regular liberal Democrat
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Trumpism in a nutshell:
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@timjcar
@benshapiro the thing is nobody gives a shit about traditional conservative values. We just want a candidate who is best for America
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And one of Trump's alt-right followers at Trumpbart:
Milo Yiannopoulos ✘
@Nero
Establishment conservatism has failed. And now it's lashing out at the newer, younger, cooler kids.
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Are we seriously going to make transgender bathrooms a bedrock Republican issue in a campaign for the one political office that can do nothing about it -- the POTUS? Are not our hands already filled to the brim with abortion and same-sex marriage? :shrug:
I agree, RIV. I have no objection to Trump's position on this issue. But I think Republicans in general are going to have to get comfortable with the reality that Trump's a social liberal, like most Manhattan "sophisticates" are. Some will have no problem with that, and some will. The GOP coalition consists of both conservatives and libertarians.
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He anticipated the question, I will tell you.
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Here is a very good example of the fatal flaw in straight libertarianism. To allow freedom to one nutcase to pee in the bathroom of his choice, you must infringe on the freedom of the masses to pee in a place provided for their specific gender only. Women don't want to pee in the same bathroom with strange men. You can't have both. Freedom for the abnormal freakshow becomes tyranny to everyone else. Comfort for one becomes discomfort for millions.
Freedom and equality means everyone has the same God-given rights. They have freedom to make their case with speech and press, to have due process, to practice their religious duties before God according to their own conscience. They are not entitled to win every argument. And if God did not give them female parts they don't have a right to pee in the ladies room.
Exactly. People can evade reality, but not its consequences.
I can pretend to be a golden retriever or a school bus, but in a free society, the state cannot compel others to share my delusions nor expose them to the consequences of those delusions.
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Here is a very good example of the fatal flaw in straight libertarianism. To allow freedom to one nutcase to pee in the bathroom of his choice, you must infringe on the freedom of the masses to pee in a place provided for their specific gender only. Women don't want to pee in the same bathroom with strange men. You can't have both. Freedom for the abnormal freakshow becomes tyranny to everyone else. Comfort for one becomes discomfort for millions.
Freedom and equality means everyone has the same God-given rights. They have freedom to make their case with speech and press, to have due process, to practice their religious duties before God according to their own conscience. They are not entitled to win every argument. And if God did not give them female parts they don't have a right to pee in the ladies room.
Well said!
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Here is a very good example of the fatal flaw in straight libertarianism. To allow freedom to one nutcase to pee in the bathroom of his choice, you must infringe on the freedom of the masses to pee in a place provided for their specific gender only. Women don't want to pee in the same bathroom with strange men. You can't have both. Freedom for the abnormal freakshow becomes tyranny to everyone else. Comfort for one becomes discomfort for millions.
Freedom and equality means everyone has the same God-given rights. They have freedom to make their case with speech and press, to have due process, to practice their religious duties before God according to their own conscience. They are not entitled to win every argument. And if God did not give them female parts they don't have a right to pee in the ladies room.
:amen: Well said! Well said indeed! :beer:
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Trump has no core beliefs. He could say the opposite thing tomorrow and not one of his supporters would think ill of him for it. His entire history is one of saying whatever he thinks he needs to say to gain the support of whoever he thinks is listening.
The number of people still making excuses for his forked tongue is astounding.
It truly doesn't matter what kind of perversion he says he supports. His followers reflexive response is to attack those who are simply stating what he said, and not actually rethink their support of him.
I truly have never seen anything like this on the R side of the aisle. Dem, yes, but never, ever Republican.....
THIS is the sign that America is failing and will continue to descend.
The small minority of Americans who demand integrity of its leaders seems to be diminishing by the day. I don't see how we recover from the state we're in if all the Dems and a third of the Republicans don't give a rip who a politician is or what he/she does.
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Some FReepers seem to be in shock. lol.
Jim Rob now has a choice, will he embrace the real liberal Donnie. Can a man who can't keep pervs out of the girls toilet keep illegals out of the country... :silly: :silly:
Yep... pretty amazing how Trumpette Nation over in freeperland is trying to spin this.
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Here is a very good example of the fatal flaw in straight libertarianism. To allow freedom to one nutcase to pee in the bathroom of his choice, you must infringe on the freedom of the masses to pee in a place provided for their specific gender only. Women don't want to pee in the same bathroom with strange men. You can't have both. Freedom for the abnormal freakshow becomes tyranny to everyone else. Comfort for one becomes discomfort for millions.
Freedom and equality means everyone has the same God-given rights. They have freedom to make their case with speech and press, to have due process, to practice their religious duties before God according to their own conscience. They are not entitled to win every argument. And if God did not give them female parts they don't have a right to pee in the ladies room.
Just because it was brought up, I think the Libertarian case would be along the lines of, it isn't the government's business in the first place. That would be up to the specific business to make the decision for their business, or, at most, the local municipality. The government's involvement would only start if someone actually interfered with the rights of another (peering, molestation, recording, etc)- and in that case, it wouldn't regard anyone's sex, identity, or orientation- that crossing the line of another's rights would be opposed even if it was a perv woman in a women's bathroom- it doesn't need to be a tranny man.
Now back to the flip flop at hand.
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hit-and-run .
If you're going to use my words as your own, shouldn't you first ask? :nono:
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It started with Bill Clinton. When he was given a pass on his libertinism in the Oval Office, it was inevitable that we would end up with a thrice-married serial adulterer with no core principles or values running for the highest office in the land.
Trump is gutter trash, yet he's made a living selling swill to people who will believe every slick marketing gimmick. Now that he's hooked his marks, they'll move with him as he trends left on every position.
The sad thing is, his supporters were formerly conservative Republicans who have thrown all previous convictions over the side in the service of a carnival barker who appeals to their basest emotions.
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Here is a very good example of the fatal flaw in straight libertarianism. To allow freedom to one nutcase to pee in the bathroom of his choice, you must infringe on the freedom of the masses to pee in a place provided for their specific gender only. Women don't want to pee in the same bathroom with strange men. You can't have both. Freedom for the abnormal freakshow becomes tyranny to everyone else. Comfort for one becomes discomfort for millions.
Freedom and equality means everyone has the same God-given rights. They have freedom to make their case with speech and press, to have due process, to practice their religious duties before God according to their own conscience. They are not entitled to win every argument. And if God did not give them female parts they don't have a right to pee in the ladies room.
Understood, but what about Trump's point, which I think is accurate, that in the real world this simply isn't a problem? I am quite unaware of women being molested in bathrooms by transgenders. Are there truly examples of this?
In my own life, I can't say I've ever encountered a transgendered person. On the other hand, I know plenty of gays - they include family members, neighbors and work colleagues. What aggravates me about the North Carolina law is its prohibition against communities from extending non-discrimination protection to sexual orientation. That's protection that lots of people I know could truly use, and if, say, the city of Charlotte wants to extend such protections, why should the state say it can't? And yes, it angers me that this pernicious aspect of the law has been sold to the public by ginning up panic over a manufactured bathroom "crisis" with transgenders.
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Here is a very good example of the fatal flaw in straight libertarianism. To allow freedom to one nutcase to pee in the bathroom of his choice, you must infringe on the freedom of the masses to pee in a place provided for their specific gender only. Women don't want to pee in the same bathroom with strange men. You can't have both. Freedom for the abnormal freakshow becomes tyranny to everyone else. Comfort for one becomes discomfort for millions.
Freedom and equality means everyone has the same God-given rights. They have freedom to make their case with speech and press, to have due process, to practice their religious duties before God according to their own conscience. They are not entitled to win every argument. And if God did not give them female parts they don't have a right to pee in the ladies room.
Very well stated.
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Just because it was brought up, I think the Libertarian case would be along the lines of, it isn't the government's business in the first place. That would be up to the specific business to make the decision for their business, or, at most, the local municipality. The government's involvement would only start if someone actually interfered with the rights of another (peering, molestation, recording, etc)- and in that case, it wouldn't regard anyone's sex, identity, or orientation- that crossing the line of another's rights would be opposed even if it was a perv woman in a women's bathroom- it doesn't need to be a tranny man.
Makes sense to me. :beer:
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Josh Barro @jbarro 10m10 minutes ago
If Trump were governor of North Carolina, there'd be so much peeing, people of all genders would be bored of peeing.
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Makes sense to me. :beer:
The Libertarian position may even be more complex than that. Some like Austin Petersen (or Ron Paul) would argue it is a 10th Amendment issue left up to the states. On the other extreme, you also have the Sovereign Citizen or Anarchist extreme leaning wing that wouldn't even let a local municipality decide.
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Of Course Donald Trump Is the Most Pro-Gay Republican Presidential Candidate
http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2015/12/18/donald_trump_is_obviously_the_most_pro_gay_gop_candidate.html
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http://time.com/3734626/gay-marriage-supreme-court-republicans/
More Than 300 Republicans Call on Supreme Court to Recognize Gay Marriage Nationally
THE FULL LIST (https://www.scribd.com/doc/257812300/List-of-Amici)
Signers include former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani, Sens. Susan Collins and Mark Kirk and Massachusetts Gov. Charlie Baker
More than 300 veteran Republican lawmakers, operatives and consultants have filed a friend of the court brief at the Supreme Court in support of same-sex marriage late Thursday.
The amicus brief, organized by former Republican National Committee Chairman Ken Mehlman, was filed for the four same-sex marriage cases the Court will hear on April 28 that could legalize the unions nationwide. In 2013, Mehlman marshaled a similar effort for the case that overturned California’s Proposition 8, which had banned same-sex marriage in the state.
Among the signatories are 23 current and former Republicans members of the House of Representatives and Senate and seven current and former Governors. Sens. Susan Collins and Mark Kirk have signed onto the brief, as has Massachusetts Gov. Charlie Baker and former Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman. Other notables include former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani, retired Gen. Stanley McChrystal and billionaire GOP mega-donor David Koch.
The 2013 brief included 131 signatures, featured many former top aides to Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney, including his general counsel and two senior advisors. The list has now grown to 303 signatories.
In an interview with TIME, Mehlman pointed to the growing national consensus and within the GOP on the issue. “There’s been an increase since the last time in public support for marriage equality across all ideological, racial, and political groups,” he said.
The brief makes a conservative case for the court to strike down same-sex marriage bans in Michigan, Ohio, Kentucky and Tennessee, arguing they are “inconsistent with amici’s understanding of the properly limited role of government.”
“Although amici hold a broad spectrum of socially and politically conservative, moderate, and libertarian views, amici share the view that laws that bar same-sex couples from the institution of civil marriage, with all its attendant profoundly important rights and responsibilities, are inconsistent with the United States Constitution’s dual promises of equal protection and due process,” the brief states.
Some aides to Republican presidential candidates are hoping that if the Court’s rules in favor of the unions it will provide cover for their bosses, who are hoping to avoid talking about the issue. After the party’s 2012 electoral defeat, its autopsy found that gay rights issues are a gateway subject not just for LGBT voters, but also for young voters of all stripes. “We need to campaign among Hispanic, black, Asian, and gay Americans and demonstrate we care about them, too,” the Growth and Opportunity Project report stated.
Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker and New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie both dropped opposition to same-sex unions in their state after court rulings forced their hand, but they remain personally opposed. After marriages began in his state in January, former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush called for respect from all sides. “I hope that we can show respect for the good people on all sides of the gay and lesbian marriage issue — including couples making lifetime commitments to each other who are seeking greater legal protections and those of us who believe marriage is a sacrament and want to safeguard religious liberty,” he said.
More conservative Republicans may seek to cater to Iowa and South Carolina’s large evangelical primary blocks in order to attract votes, setting the stage for potential clashes. But the political ground is shifting. According to an NBC/Marist survey last month, roughly half of likely GOP caucus and primary voters in Iowa, South Carolina, and New Hampshire find opposition to same-sex marriage “mostly” or “totally” unacceptable.
Mehlman said he was not concerned that the Court’s ruling could prompt a backlash among conservative voters that might alienate moderates.
“Republicans traditionally have great respect for court decisions, particularly the Supreme Court,” he said. And pointing to rapid shifts in public opinion in states that have legalized same-sex marriage, he predicted Republicans wouldn’t drum up the base against the Court should it overturn the marriage bans. “The data shows that public acceptance increases very quickly, and very significantly.”
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I agree, RIV. I have no objection to Trump's position on this issue. But I think Republicans in general are going to have to get comfortable with the reality that Trump's a social liberal, like most Manhattan "sophisticates" are. Some will have no problem with that, and some will. The GOP coalition consists of both conservatives and libertarians.
Trump is 100% liberal. he is a Clintonite.
This will become very painfully obvious (about two years ago) to anyone with eyeballs.
and no Conservatives will have to get comfortable staying home and letting the liberal GOPers lose again. Because that is what will happen.
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I truly have never seen anything like this on the R side of the aisle. Dem, yes, but never, ever Republican.....
I said exactly the same thing to my wife last night and not for the first time, I'm pretty sure.
Maybe Republicans have been too self-critical in recent years, demanding perfection of their own candidates rather than favorably comparing them with the Democrat alternative(s). But I can not recall any past GOP Presidential candidate whose admirers were willing to overlook whatever bat-guano crazy thing they said, no matter how fatal it might be for any other Republican who said the precisely same thing.
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I agree, RIV. I have no objection to Trump's position on this issue. But I think Republicans in general are going to have to get comfortable with the reality that Trump's a social liberal, like most Manhattan "sophisticates" are. Some will have no problem with that, and some will. The GOP coalition consists of both conservatives and libertarians.
For decades social "conservatives" have co-opted the Republican Political Platform--adding conditions and positions that simply do not have anything to do with the Constitutional powers of the Office of the President of the United States.
The President cannot outlaw abortion, the President cannot outlaw same-sex marriage, and the President cannot decree toilet etiquette.
If unhappy and fearful, social conservatives should be applying pressure locally--as our Founders envisioned---at the municipal, city, county and state levels. These are the levels of government that most directly and immediately impact daily lives and communities. Why is it that social conservatives instead choose to pop up and make themselves a national wedge issue over and over and over and over again--snatching defeat from the jaws of victory?
Social conservatives have taken the political debate for POTUS from the altar, to the bedroom, to the clinic and now to the toilet. Why do this -- for what rational political goal?
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Ben Shapiro @benshapiro 17m17 minutes ago
If you don't vote for a pro-Planned Parenthood, pro-trans bathroom, tax-and-spend Hillary supporter, you support Hillary!
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I wonder if he'd feel the same way if some transgender pervert were to walk into a women's bathroom and molest his granddaughter.
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The issue mainly affects women. If you want to be using the bathroom... or shower presumable, and some bearded lady unzips in the stall next to you, or hops in the shower with "equipment" swinging to and fro, or next to your daughter, then go for it.
I would think that might bother some ladies. But maybe I'm wrong?
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I said exactly the same thing to my wife last night and not for the first time, I'm pretty sure.
Maybe Republicans have been too self-critical in recent years, demanding perfection of their own candidates rather than favorably comparing them with the Democrat alternative(s). But I can not recall any past GOP Presidential candidate whose admirers were willing to overlook whatever bat-guano crazy thing they said, no matter how fatal it might be for any other Republican who said the precisely same thing.
So how does a political party go from being hyper critical to having no standards whatsoever in such a short time?
I truly didn't see this coming even a year ago.
One third of our party has absolutely nothing against lying, cheating, corruption, moral degeneracy, vulgarity, name-calling, self-pity, infantile behavior, flip-flopping at hyper speeds.........
What happened to these people that they don't give a rip about anything we used to hold dear?? I truly don't understand this at all.....
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So how does a political party go from being hyper critical to having no standards whatsoever in such a short time?
I truly didn't see this coming even a year ago.
One third of our party has absolutely nothing against lying, cheating, corruption, moral degeneracy, vulgarity, name-calling, self-pity, infantile behavior, flip-flopping at hyper speeds.........
What happened to these people that they don't give a rip about anything we used to hold dear?? I truly don't understand this at all.....
I'm not among that one third so I'm right where you are!
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The issue mainly affects women. If you want to be using the bathroom... or shower presumable, and some bearded lady unzips in the stall next to you, or hops in the shower with "equipment" swinging to and fro, or next to your daughter, then go for it.
I would think that might bother some ladies. But maybe I'm wrong?
It's young girls that this policy puts at great risk, but also older women and anyone not physically strong enough to defend herself against a male aggressor. This is such a dangerous policy for women that it's frightening............... not to mention the invasion of privacy.
I'm not at all surprised that an immoral letch like Trump is for it, but who can still support him after this??
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To my knowledge there has never been a case of women being harassed by transgenders in the bathroom.
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I'm not among that one third so I'm right where you are!
So that leaves over 60% of Republicans wondering how we degenerated so quickly into this garbage bin......
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To my knowledge there has never been a case of women being harassed by transgenders in the bathroom.
The reverse is sadly not true. **nononono* A trans man was beaten to death last year - for going for a piss in the gents.
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It's young girls that this policy puts at great risk, but also older women and anyone not physically strong enough to defend herself against a male aggressor. This is such a dangerous policy for women that it's frightening............... not to mention the invasion of privacy.
I'm not at all surprised that an immoral letch like Trump is for it, but who can still support him after this??
How does it put girls at great risk compared to whatever risk there was right outside the bathroom? An aggressive non-trans male could just barge in and victimize a woman as well. I'm not sure I agree with letting them use female bathrooms, but I don't buy the idea that it's putting women in more danger than they were already in simply by being women.
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To my knowledge there has never been a case of women being harassed by transgenders in the bathroom.
Do you ever watch the news or read a newspaper?
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Do you ever watch the news or read a newspaper?
Apparently not. Could you provide whatever information I have missed?
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To my knowledge there has never been a case of women being harassed by transgenders in the bathroom.
Because it hasn't been an issue up to now?
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For decades social "conservatives" have co-opted the Republican Political Platform--adding conditions and positions that simply do not have anything to do with the Constitutional powers of the Office of the President of the United States.
The President cannot outlaw abortion, the President cannot outlaw same-sex marriage, and the President cannot decree toilet etiquette.
If unhappy and fearful, social conservatives should be applying pressure locally--as our Founders envisioned---at the municipal, city, county and state levels. These are the levels of government that most directly and immediately impact daily lives and communities. Why is it that social conservatives instead choose to pop up and make themselves a national wedge issue over and over and over and over again--snatching defeat from the jaws of victory?
Social conservatives have taken the political debate for POTUS from the altar, to the bedroom, to the clinic and now to the toilet. Why do this -- for what rational political goal?
RIV, if it weren't for this doggone matter of Donald Trump, I think we'd find we agree on a lot of things. :beer: This is one of those things. I believe the GOP platform's position on social issues has truly harmed our ability to win national elections. And you're absolutely right - these aren't matters that the POTUS is going to have much power and influence over anyway.
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Ben Shapiro @benshapiro 17m17 minutes ago
If you don't vote for a pro-Planned Parenthood, pro-trans bathroom, tax-and-spend Hillary supporter, you support Hillary!
lol
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Cruz on Trump going full Rainbow Jihad:
"Donald Trump is no different from politically correct leftist elites. Today, he joined them in calling for grown men to be allowed to use little girls’ public restrooms. As the dad of young daughters, I dread what this will mean for our daughters - and for our sisters and our wives. It is a reckless policy that will endanger our loved ones.
"Yet Donald stands up for this irresponsible policy while at the same time caving in on defending individual freedoms and religious liberty. He has succumbed to the Left's agenda, which is to force Americans to leave God out of public life while paying lip service to false tolerance.
"This is not real tolerance. The Left wants to force its belief system onto Americans across the country and silence people of faith in the public square. Unsurprisingly, Donald Trump is all too eager to join them. This simply confirms that the same man who favored partial-birth abortion and still supports public funding for Planned Parenthood will sacrifice principle on the altar of political correctness. Trump will not defeat political correctness. Today he bowed to it."
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Apparently not. Could you provide whatever information I have missed?
Nope! You can do your own research! But I have personally seen numerous reports of such things in the past.
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How does it put girls at great risk compared to whatever risk there was right outside the bathroom? An aggressive non-trans male could just barge in and victimize a woman as well. I'm not sure I agree with letting them use female bathrooms, but I don't buy the idea that it is putting women in more danger than they were already in simply by being women.
I'm sorry, Dex, but it's clear you aren't a woman who understands the risk that men with their pants down create for women in a bathroom.
Just use your imagination and you'll figure it out yourself........
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Apparently not. Could you provide whatever information I have missed?
I'd appreciate the information also. Like Dexter, I've never heard of a case of transgenders harassing women in a bathroom. Is this a problem crying out for a solution, or vice versa?
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Cruz on Trump going full Rainbow Jihad:
"Donald Trump is no different from politically correct leftist elites. Today, he joined them in calling for grown men to be allowed to use little girls’ public restrooms. As the dad of young daughters, I dread what this will mean for our daughters - and for our sisters and our wives. It is a reckless policy that will endanger our loved ones.
"Yet Donald stands up for this irresponsible policy while at the same time caving in on defending individual freedoms and religious liberty. He has succumbed to the Left's agenda, which is to force Americans to leave God out of public life while paying lip service to false tolerance.
"This is not real tolerance. The Left wants to force its belief system onto Americans across the country and silence people of faith in the public square. Unsurprisingly, Donald Trump is all too eager to join them. This simply confirms that the same man who favored partial-birth abortion and still supports public funding for Planned Parenthood will sacrifice principle on the altar of political correctness. Trump will not defeat political correctness. Today he bowed to it."
Bears repeating so I did! :beer:
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But I have personally seen numerous reports of such things in the past.
I haven't, and I can't find any.
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I'd appreciate the information also. Like Dexter, I've never heard of a case of transgenders harassing women in a bathroom. Is this a problem crying out for a solution, or vice versa?
I would suggest you type in the words "Woman attacked in public restroom" and see what you come up with!
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see what you come up with!
Lots of cases where non-trans males barged into a female restroom and victimized a woman.
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So how does a political party go from being hyper critical to having no standards whatsoever in such a short time?
I truly didn't see this coming even a year ago.
One third of our party has absolutely nothing against lying, cheating, corruption, moral degeneracy, vulgarity, name-calling, self-pity, infantile behavior, flip-flopping at hyper speeds.........
What happened to these people that they don't give a rip about anything we used to hold dear?? I truly don't understand this at all.....
One third of our 'party' is NOT conservative, though they claim to be Republicans. They are moderates at best. As for the lying, cheating, corruption, moral decay, etc., in our society, I believe those traits have infected a large portion of our society brought about in part by the decline in Chrisitanity, socioeconomic decline, illegal immigration, and the push for political correctness as outlined by the Democratic party and liberalism incorporated into our everyday lives especially in the school system.
Trump's apparent acceptance of transgenders obviously leans to the left and is politically correct. His comment "There's a big move to create new bathrooms. Problem with that is … first of all, I think that would be discriminatory in a certain way. It would be unbelievably expensive for businesses and for the country. Leave it the way it is. Once again indicates Trump's focus is about money, business, and promoting his wealth. For Trump, it doesn't matter if it's good for the overall country, as long as it enhances Trump's bottom line. "Anyone that still thinks Trump is not a liberal needs to do some serious analysis of his statements and actions during his campaign. If he wins the nomination (God forbid) we will have a choice of voting for two liberals.
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I'm sorry, Dex, but it's clear you aren't a woman who understands the risk that men with their pants down create for women in a bathroom.
Just use your imagination and you'll figure it out yourself........
Women are in danger of aggressive males all the time; it's an unfortunate reality of the world we live in. Allowing this to happen will not result in increased victimization of women in public bathrooms.
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Lots of cases where non-trans males barged into a female restroom and victimized a woman.
Are you so naïve that you don't understand the point here??
Allowing men who say they're women into bathrooms with innocent little girls is putting them at grave risk.
Do you understand that men will take and are already taking advantage of this reckless "law?"
C'mon Dex, you're a bright young man. Think about how this is going to affect women and how dangerous it will be.....
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I haven't, and I can't find any.
http://www.crossmap.com/news/sexual-predator-jailed-after-claiming-to-be-transgender-to-assault-women-in-shelter-26962
http://www.bizpacreview.com/2016/04/17/man-disguised-as-a-woman-caught-recording-in-macys-ladies-bathroom-330150
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/man-dressed-as-a-woman-peeps-on-women-in-bathroom-at-wal-mart/2015/06/10/cd88e1d6-0f5a-11e5-a0dc-2b6f404ff5cf_story.html
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Women are in danger of aggressive males all the time; it's an unfortunate reality of the world we live in. Allowing this to happen will not result in increased victimization of women in public bathrooms.
How is allowing men into bathrooms not enabling the ability to victimize, any more than moving known gang bangers to upscale suburbs increasing violent crime?
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Are you so naïve that you don't understand the point here??
Allowing men who say they're women into bathrooms with innocent little girls is putting them at grave risk.
Do you understand that men will take and are already taking advantage of this reckless "law?"
C'mon Dex, you're a bright young man. Think about how this is going to affect women and how dangerous it will be.....
I don't support allowing them to use the female restroom simply because it makes a lot of people uncomfortable. How big of a deal is it to use the male one instead? Get over it. However I do not believe it's going to put women in more danger. If a man wants to victimize a woman in a public bathroom he's going to do it. Letting or not letting trans people use female restrooms won't change that.
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Pulling your pants down behind a bathroom stall doesn't make you more vulnerable than you were with your pants up. Women are in danger of aggressive males all the time; it's an unfortunate reality of the world we live in. Allowing this to happen will not result in increased victimization of women in public bathrooms.
You've got to be kidding.............
Try visualizing being a vulnerable woman in a small space with a man with his pants down.
If you understand that women are in danger of predators all the time, open up your brain and try to understand that this makes it even MORE dangerous for us.
Try caring about us, OK??
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http://www.crossmap.com/news/sexual-predator-jailed-after-claiming-to-be-transgender-to-assault-women-in-shelter-26962
http://www.bizpacreview.com/2016/04/17/man-disguised-as-a-woman-caught-recording-in-macys-ladies-bathroom-330150
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/man-dressed-as-a-woman-peeps-on-women-in-bathroom-at-wal-mart/2015/06/10/cd88e1d6-0f5a-11e5-a0dc-2b6f404ff5cf_story.html
Hard for folks to find what they refuse to look for!
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I don't support allowing them to use the female restroom simply because it makes a lot of people uncomfortable. How big of a deal is it to use the male one instead? Get over it. However I do not believe it's going to put women in more danger. If a man wants to victimize a woman in a public bathroom he's going to do it. Letting or not letting trans people use female restrooms won't change that.
The only conclusion I can draw from your "get over it" reply is that you truly don't care if you support enabling sexual predators by making it easier for them to assault women.
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Are you so naïve that you don't understand the point here??
Allowing men who say they're women into bathrooms with innocent little girls is putting them at grave risk.
Do you understand that men will take and are already taking advantage of this reckless "law?"
C'mon Dex, you're a bright young man. Think about how this is going to affect women and how dangerous it will be.....
It isn't naiviety it's an agenda!
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How is allowing men into bathrooms not enabling the ability to victimize, any more than moving known gang bangers to upscale suburbs increasing violent crime?
The left's LBGQT agenda trumps any concern they might have about women's safety.
The denial of reality is frightening.....
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It isn't naiviety it's an agenda!
This one's naivete allows him to accept the agenda. There are none so blind as those who will not see...........
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How is allowing men into bathrooms not enabling the ability to victimize, any more than moving known gang bangers to upscale suburbs increasing violent crime?
I believe women will be victimized at the same rate regardless of if trans people can use their bathrooms or not. Any guy could just walk into that bathroom and victimize a woman if he wanted to. If that's the goal it won't matter what the rules say.
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So how are the fools at FR taking the news?
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The only conclusion I can draw from your "get over it" reply is that you truly don't care if you support enabling sexual predators by making it easier for them to assault women.
"Get over it." was directed at trans men complaining that they're not allowed to use a female restroom. The entire controversy is ridiculous. It makes the majority of women uncomfortable, so don't let them do it. However I don't believe it would put women in more danger than they were already in.
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One third of our 'party' is NOT conservative, though they claim to be Republicans. They are moderates at best. As for the lying, cheating, corruption, moral decay, etc., in our society, I believe those traits have infected a large portion of our society brought about in part by the decline in Chrisitanity, socioeconomic decline, illegal immigration, and the push for political correctness as outlined by the Democratic party and liberalism incorporated into our everyday lives especially in the school system.
Trump's apparent acceptance of transgenders obviously leans to the left and is politically correct. His comment "There's a big move to create new bathrooms. Problem with that is … first of all, I think that would be discriminatory in a certain way. It would be unbelievably expensive for businesses and for the country. Leave it the way it is. Once again indicates Trump's focus is about money, business, and promoting his wealth. For Trump, it doesn't matter if it's good for the overall country, as long as it enhances Trump's bottom line. "Anyone that still thinks Trump is not a liberal needs to do some serious analysis of his statements and actions during his campaign. If he wins the nomination (God forbid) we will have a choice of voting for two liberals.
This is what I've been screaming for months. We have got to stop this liberal at the convention or we will have a choice between two of the most despicable human beings in the entire country.
America cannot survive that choice.
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I find it ironic that we care about what Trump thinks about this issue. He certainly doesn't use public restrooms so why would he care about who is in there?
In fact, I would venture to guess that the vast majority of the politicians who will craft laws enabling men to use women's restrooms only use public restrooms when they're looking for something other than what the facilities are supposed to be used for.
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"Get over it." was directed at trans men complaining that they're not allowed to use a female restroom. The entire controversy is ridiculous. It makes the majority of women uncomfortable, so don't let them do it. However I don't believe it would put women in more danger than they were already in.
Then you are clearly naïve. And have no idea what it feels like to be a woman alone in a parking lot at night, walking down a street, or being in a bathroom with a man.
You have no idea that you are promoting a fearful, dangerous thing for women and girls.
But you are.
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This is what I've been screaming for months. We have got to stop this liberal at the convention or we will have a choice between two of the most despicable human beings in the entire country.
America cannot survive that choice.
Boom!
There it tis RIGHT THERE!
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The left's LBGQT agenda trumps any concern they might have about women's safety.
The denial of reality is frightening.....
Yep. They tell women to 'get over it', and 'suck it up'. Don't like your jr. high daughters seeing the wee wee in the locker room? Too bad, quit being so intolerant and bigoted!! They're pretty much opening the door to rape culture.
What's next, public nudity? Public sex? Incest? Polygamy? Pedophelia? My guess is all the above.
I'm guessing yes to all.
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I believe women will be victimized at the same rate regardless of if trans people can use their bathrooms or not. Any guy could just walk into that bathroom and victimize a woman if he wanted to. If that's the goal it won't matter what the rules say.
Right, but understand the LGBTQ crowd will work to make sure it is not prosecuted, and that the victim is prosecuted for a hate crime because they were assaulted.
The agenda has only begun.
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While I get the broad gist of things, I must confess to being a bit unfamiliar the details in North Carolina (lots going on at the moment). But couldn't he have said that these things are best left to the States as prescribed by the Tenth Amendment and the Constitution? His electorate would have eaten it up. After all, he said he anticipated the question.
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Yep. They tell women to 'get over it', and 'suck it up'. Don't like your jr. high daughters seeing the wee wee in the locker room? Too bad, quit being so intolerant and bigoted!! They're pretty much opening the door to rape culture.
What's next, public nudity? Public sex? Incest? Polygamy? Pedophelia? My guess is all the above.
I'm guessing yes to all.
They're not just "opening the door" to rape culture, they begging for it.
And then telling us we're intolerant if we understand human nature enough to know exactly what's going to happen.
That's what removing the concept of good and evil from our culture has done. There are a whole lot of (ignorant) people who are clueless about human nature and can't see what laws like this will do to harm women and children.
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Then you are clearly naïve. And have no idea what it feels like to be a woman alone in a parking lot at night, walking down a street, or being in a bathroom with a man.
You have no idea that you are promoting a fearful, dangerous thing for women and girls.
But you are.
I'm sure being a woman is scary at times. There are dangerous people out there that can overpower you with ease. You're in danger every time you use a public bathroom, trans men allowed or not. If a man decides he's going to victimize a woman the bathroom rules aren't going to stop him.
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While I get the broad gist of things, I must confess to being a bit unfamiliar the details in North Carolina (lots going on at the moment). But couldn't he have said that these things are best left to the States as prescribed by the Tenth Amendment and the Constitution? His electorate would have eaten it up. After all, he said he anticipated the question.
The reason Trump didn't say that is because he doesn't care about the Constitution, and my guess is, has no clue as to what the Tenth Amendment actually says.
That, plus the fact that he's a Progressive and believes this PC garbage.
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They're not just "opening the door" to rape culture, they begging for it.
And then telling us we're intolerant if we understand human nature enough to know exactly what's going to happen.
That's what removing the concept of good and evil from our culture has done. There are a whole lot of (ignorant) people who are clueless about human nature and can't see what laws like this will do to harm women and children.
What bothers me the most is that I know how this is going to go down. The rape and pedophile culture will be forced upon us and accepted, and at most lightly prosecuted, but mostly looked the other way. Little different than the rape culture going on with the muzzies in Europe.
Not only that, they will make the victim the criminal for reporting it and protesting it by calling it a hate crime. They will give the whole LGBTQ crowd unlimited rights to do anything they please.
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I'm sure being a woman is scary at times. There are dangerous people out there that can overpower you with ease. You're in danger every time you use a public bathroom, trans men allowed or not. If a man decides he's going to victimize a woman the bathroom rules aren't going to stop him.
What you are saying, Dex, is that you know being a woman is scary at times, but you are willingly making it scarier and don't care what it's going to do to harm us.
THAT.......... is what you are saying. You're guessing it won't make a difference, but I don't feel afraid in a public restroom now, but if a man walked in, I would be petrified.
And you don't give a crap.
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The reason Trump didn't say that is because he doesn't care about the Constitution, and my guess is, has no clue as to what the Tenth Amendment actually says.
That, plus the fact that he's a Progressive and believes this PC garbage.
My guess is that the ONLY things Trumps knows about the Constitution are tidbits he picked up from his force of lawyers over the years! I would bet BIG money that he has never actually read the document himself!
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Men are going to be affected by this too. Just wait until some transgendered woman starts making false rape/assault accusations. Who do you think will be believed? The innocent man or the woman with an agenda???
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Women are in danger of aggressive males all the time; it's an unfortunate reality of the world we live in. Allowing this to happen will not result in increased victimization of women in public bathrooms.
Humans of both genders have something called a personal space. The exact distance is unknown but everyone knows when its been violated. It's a comfort thing, and it's been that way for thousands of years. Likewise, everyone (almost) knows that in a bathroom, almost everyone, male or female would be uncomfortable with an unknown member of the opposite sex perhaps standing only a foot or two away. Feeling insecure or uncomfortable in that situation is victimization.
Does a young girl have to be made to feel like a bigot because she doesn't want a man standing within a couple of feet of her while in a bathroom? Yeah, apparently a guy who is uncomfortable with his own biology has the right to make everyone else feel uncomfortable too. Where are the rights of that little girl?
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What bothers me the most is that I know how this is going to go down. The rape and pedophile culture will be forced upon us and accepted, and at most lightly prosecuted, but mostly looked the other way. Little different than the rape culture going on with the muzzies in Europe.
Not only that, they will make the victim the criminal for reporting it and protesting it by calling it a hate crime. They will give the whole LGBTQ crowd unlimited rights to do anything they please.
That's most likely exactly what's going to happen.
See what happens to the women who report these men in their bathroom. They will be persecuted by the left. It's their MO.
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I'm sure being a woman is scary at times. There are dangerous people out there that can overpower you with ease. You're in danger every time you use a public bathroom, trans men allowed or not. If a man decides he's going to victimize a woman the bathroom rules aren't going to stop him.
And again, if that situation exists, you don't enable it and make it easier. Worse, the LGFUBARTQ crowd will try and give the trans crowd total immunity from such crimes. If they don't care about little jr. high girls being uncomfortable seeing a wee wee in the locker room, do you think they're going to care about assaults in the bathroom?
They believe in unlimited LGBTQ rights. Assault and rape is not an issue to them.
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if a man walked in, I would be petrified.
And you don't give a crap.
I already said I don't support allowing them to use female restrooms. It makes women uncomfortable and it's really a stupid thing to make a fuss over in the first place. I simply think the elevated fear you would feel is irrational. I believe you're in danger because you're a woman, but I don't believe you'd be in more danger if trans men were allowed to pee in the ladies room to make them feel more like the gender they want to be.
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I'm sure being a woman is scary at times. There are dangerous people out there that can overpower you with ease. You're in danger every time you use a public bathroom, trans men allowed or not. If a man decides he's going to victimize a woman the bathroom rules aren't going to stop him.
The problem with that is that in some places, security simply cannot ask why a man (or a boy for that matter) is going into a girl's bathroom. You choose which one you want to use. It's not just about trannies, or whatever the hell they're called these days. If a business wants to put in a third bathroom for "all of the above", by all means. If local governments want to do the same, fine. If the taxpayers don't care, I don't. Past that, leave the "comfort stations" to be just that, comfortable for the vast majority of people.
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I already said I don't support allowing them to use female restrooms. It makes women uncomfortable and it's really a stupid thing to make a fuss over in the first place. I simply think the elevated fear you would feel is irrational. I believe you're in danger because you're a woman, but I don't believe you'd be in more danger if trans men were allowed to pee in the ladies room to make them feel more like the gender they want to be.
In this country you are allowed to believe anything you want no matter how utterly STUPID it is!
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And again, if that situation exists, you don't enable it and make it easier. Worse, the LGFUBARTQ crowd will try and give the trans crowd total immunity from such crimes. If they don't care about little jr. high girls being uncomfortable seeing a wee wee in the locker room, do you think they're going to care about assaults in the bathroom?
They believe in unlimited LGBTQ rights. Assault and rape is not an issue to them.
How would bathroom rules that accommodate transgender people make it easier? There isn't a guard outside female bathrooms. They can just walk in at any point. Bathroom rules won't stop a victimizer from victimizing any more than gun free zones stop shootouts.
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I already said I don't support allowing them to use female restrooms. It makes women uncomfortable and it's really a stupid thing to make a fuss over in the first place. I simply think the elevated fear you would feel is irrational. I believe you're in danger because you're a woman, but I don't believe you'd be in more danger if trans men were allowed to pee in the ladies room to make them feel more like the gender they want to be.
I can't argue with this level of insensitivity and callousness.
I hope you wouldn't be as thoughtless if your mother was afraid.
("You're just irrational Mom. Go into the bathroom and take your pants down with that man standing next to you. Stop being stupid!")
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I already said I don't support allowing them to use female restrooms. It makes women uncomfortable and it's really a stupid thing to make a fuss over in the first place. I simply think the elevated fear you would feel is irrational. I believe you're in danger because you're a woman, but I don't believe you'd be in more danger if trans men were allowed to pee in the ladies room to make them feel more like the gender they want to be.
Exactly, Dex. All a Trans would do is offer the girl tips on applying makeup.
But what about the jerk who is only 'pretending' to be a woman just to get a peek or a turn-on? Are we going to make it mandatory for our daughters to never go into a ladies room by themselves?
When parents are arrested and their children taken away for allowing them to walk home from a park a couple miles away...in the middle of the afternoon...we have other pressing issues.
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How would bathroom rules that accommodate transgender people make it easier? There isn't a guard outside female bathrooms. They can just walk in at any point. Bathroom rules won't stop a victimizer from victimizing any more than gun free zones stop shootouts.
Dex, I like you man, but you only see the dot in front of you at this moment. You need to see how the dot got there and where it is going.
Do you not understand that the LGFUBARTQ crowd will protect their own? They will attempt to decriminalize assaults by their people. Once people know that, they will take advantage of it. Especially the pedos.
This is how they roll. It is not about equality, it's about domination and calling it equality. They are a completely morality based worldview, and they have no problem with mingling Church and State as long as it's their church of beliefs. Look how far and how fast we've come since they've legalized gay marriage and made being gay acceptable. What's it been - 1 or 2 years?
It isn't going to stop here. They are going to take all legal protections from people being assaulted by the LGBTQ crowd, and make it criminal to complain against their actions in any way. These people are mullahs every bit is much as those in Iran and they are going to strictly enforce their moral world view on everyone.
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So how does a political party go from being hyper critical to having no standards whatsoever in such a short time?
I truly didn't see this coming even a year ago.
One third of our party has absolutely nothing against lying, cheating, corruption, moral degeneracy, vulgarity, name-calling, self-pity, infantile behavior, flip-flopping at hyper speeds.........
What happened to these people that they don't give a rip about anything we used to hold dear?? I truly don't understand this at all.....
I remember a time in where character mattered on our side. Something that we complained about Bill Clinton having no character what so ever.
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Aren't we entirely missing the point here? As in, how the hell can the Feds tell a businessperson how he or she needs to label their bathrooms, and who they need to give access to what?
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Exactly, Dex. All a Trans would do is offer the girl tips on applying makeup.
But what about the jerk who is only 'pretending' to be a woman just to get a peek or a turn-on? Are we going to make it mandatory for our daughters to never go into a ladies room by themselves?
When parents are arrested and their children taken away for allowing them to walk home from a park a couple miles away...in the middle of the afternoon...we have other pressing issues.
There are already creeps that dress up as women and go into female bathrooms in hopes of getting a peep. It's unfortunate that those people exist, but they will continue to exist despite the rules. If you think hoards of creepy men would start dressing up as women to occupy their bathrooms I disagree.
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I remember a time in where character mattered on our side. Something that we complained about Bill Clinton having no character what so ever.
But we also labored long and hard at what permitting such behavior from our leaders would wrought for our future and our culture.
....and then the House/Senate voted not to convict.
"Compassionate Conservatism" my a$$!
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There are already creeps that dress up as women and go into female bathrooms in hopes of getting a peep. It's unfortunate that those people exist, but they will continue to exist despite the rules. If you think hoards of creepy men would start dressing up as women to occupy their bathrooms I disagree.
They're not even going to have to dress up as a woman. They can just say that they "felt" like a woman that day and that will be enough for the lbgteieio crowd to give him a pass.
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There are already creeps that dress up as women and go into female bathrooms in hopes of getting a peep. It's unfortunate that those people exist, but they will continue to exist despite the rules. If you think hoards of creepy men would start dressing up as women to occupy their bathrooms I disagree.
No, I wasn't thinking "hoards".
But I was thinking....what if it was my daughter or grand daughter who was the victim of a brutal assault in a public restroom because of this law?
Should they be trained it how to operate a taser? A Glock?
Geesh....all she wants to do is relieve herself in peace.
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But we also labored long and hard at what permitting such behavior from our leaders would wrought for our future and our culture.
....and then the House/Senate voted not to convict.
"Compassionate Conservatism" my a$$!
Oh boo hoo there wasn't the 2/3 votes to remove him. You really need to read the Constitution
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Dex, I like you man, but you only see the dot in front of you at this moment. You need to see how the dot got there and where it is going.
We all lack perspective sometimes.
Do you not understand that the LGFUBARTQ crowd will protect their own? They will attempt to decriminalize assaults by their people. Once people know that, they will take advantage of it. Especially the pedos.
I have faith that rational thinking will win in the end. I don't believe we will ever live in a world that sees pedophilia as acceptable.
This is how they roll. It is not about equality, it's about domination and calling it equality. They are a completely morality based worldview, and they have no problem with mingling Church and State as long as it's their church of beliefs. Look how far and how fast we've come since they've legalized gay marriage and made being gay acceptable. What's it been - 1 or 2 years?
It isn't going to stop here. They are going to take all legal protections from people being assaulted by the LGBTQ crowd, and make it criminal to complain against their actions in any way. These people are mullahs every bit is much as those in Iran and they are going to strictly enforce their moral world view on everyone.
If they get that out of control we will stop them.
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Oh boo hoo there wasn't the 2/3 votes to remove him. You really need to read the Constitution
Don't show us all what an jerk wad you can be, kevin.
My point was they Impeached him, but allowed him to remain in power, which is the reason Obama hasn't been charged....let alone convicted.
It's why were here in this situation today.
Republicans are cowards.
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If they get that out of control we will stop them.
How many assaults will it take to be "out of control"???
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Don't show us all what an jerk wad you can be, kevin.
My point was they Impeached him, but allowed him to remain in power, which is the reason Obama hasn't been charged....let alone convicted.
It's why were here in this situation today.
Republicans are cowards.
Who's THEY exactly?
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And Trump thinks Harriett Tubman on the $20 bill is "political correctness."
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/trump-calls-harriet-tubman-20-pure-political-correctness-suggests-separate-but-unequal-bill/
So replacing a slave holder with an abolitionist is "politically correct," but allowing biological men to use women's restrooms is cool.
This won't matter one bit to the Trumpkins.
https://jubiloemancipationcentury.wordpress.com/2013/02/18/list-of-slave-holding-presidents/
The webpages “Slaveholding Presidents” and “Which U.S. Presidents Owned Slaves” provide a list of slave-holding Chief Executives:
1) George Washington, 1st President, Virginia
2) Thomas Jefferson, 3rd, Virginia
3) James Madison, 4th, Virginia
4) James Monroe, 5th, Virginia
5) Andrew Jackson, 7th, South Carolina/Tennessee
6) Martin Van Buren, 8th, New York
7) William Henry Harrison, 9th, Virginia
8) John Tyler, 10th, Virginia
9) James K. Polk, 11th, North Carolina
10) Zachary Taylor, 12th, Virginia
*) James Buchanan, 15th, Pennsylvania
11) Andrew Johnson, 17th, North Carolina
12) Ulysses S. Grant, 18th, Ohio
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California Man Dressed as Woman Busted for Videoing in Ladies Bathroom
http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2016/04/01/california-man-dressed-woman-busted-videoing-womens-bathroom/
Pomare Mugshot
Photo: Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department
by Bob Price1 Apr 201613,540
A Palmdale, California, man wearing women’s clothing was arrested in a Lancaster Macy’s store after he was seen in a women’s bathroom. The man was allegedly videotaping women in the bathroom.
Jason Pomare, 33, was arrested over the weekend after mall security officers learned he had been hanging out in a Macy’s department store women’s bathroom. The security guards contacted a Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department (LASD) deputy who found the cross-dressing man in a mall storage area, NBC Los Angeles reported.
When Pomare was contacted, he was wearing a wig and women’s clothing, including a bra, a statement from the LASD revealed. “The deputy noticed he was wearing a wig and appeared to have breasts,” LASD Sergeant Brian Hudson told the Los Angeles news outlet.
While searching the suspect, the deputy discovered a video camera in his purse. The camera allegedly contained hours of women using the bathroom inside the store.
Witnesses told police that Pomare would conceal the camera in bathroom stalls. The woman who contacted store security noticed the “recording light” on the camera. It appears Pomare was in the bathroom for around two hours, Hudson told the reporter.
On Tuesday, Pomare was formally charged with six counts of unlawful use of a concealed camera for purposes of sexual gratification. The charges are misdemeanors under California law. If convicted, Pomare could face up to 6 months in the county jail and a fine of up to $1,000 on each count. His criminal record was not released, but if he has a prior conviction on this charge, the penalties would double.
It is not clear if Lancaster has a “bathroom ordinance” like the one defeated in Houston last year where men would legally be allowed to enter women’s bathrooms and locker rooms. Breitbart Texas’ Lana Shadwick covered the defeat of that ordinance in Houston. Pomare was not charged with any offenses related to being in the women’s bathroom other than the illegal filming.
In October 2015, Breitbart Texas reported on an illegal alien who was caught filming women in a Walmart bathroom in San Angelo, Texas. Jose Santos Argueta was sentenced to 270 days in jail and was subsequently turned over to Immigrations and Customs Enforcement for deportation.
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California Man Dressed as Woman Busted for Videoing in Ladies Bathroom
http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2016/04/01/california-man-dressed-woman-busted-videoing-womens-bathroom/
Pomare Mugshot
Photo: Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department
by Bob Price1 Apr 201613,540
A Palmdale, California, man wearing women’s clothing was arrested in a Lancaster Macy’s store after he was seen in a women’s bathroom. The man was allegedly videotaping women in the bathroom.
Jason Pomare, 33, was arrested over the weekend after mall security officers learned he had been hanging out in a Macy’s department store women’s bathroom. The security guards contacted a Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department (LASD) deputy who found the cross-dressing man in a mall storage area, NBC Los Angeles reported.
When Pomare was contacted, he was wearing a wig and women’s clothing, including a bra, a statement from the LASD revealed. “The deputy noticed he was wearing a wig and appeared to have breasts,” LASD Sergeant Brian Hudson told the Los Angeles news outlet.
While searching the suspect, the deputy discovered a video camera in his purse. The camera allegedly contained hours of women using the bathroom inside the store.
Witnesses told police that Pomare would conceal the camera in bathroom stalls. The woman who contacted store security noticed the “recording light” on the camera. It appears Pomare was in the bathroom for around two hours, Hudson told the reporter.
On Tuesday, Pomare was formally charged with six counts of unlawful use of a concealed camera for purposes of sexual gratification. The charges are misdemeanors under California law. If convicted, Pomare could face up to 6 months in the county jail and a fine of up to $1,000 on each count. His criminal record was not released, but if he has a prior conviction on this charge, the penalties would double.
It is not clear if Lancaster has a “bathroom ordinance” like the one defeated in Houston last year where men would legally be allowed to enter women’s bathrooms and locker rooms. Breitbart Texas’ Lana Shadwick covered the defeat of that ordinance in Houston. Pomare was not charged with any offenses related to being in the women’s bathroom other than the illegal filming.
In October 2015, Breitbart Texas reported on an illegal alien who was caught filming women in a Walmart bathroom in San Angelo, Texas. Jose Santos Argueta was sentenced to 270 days in jail and was subsequently turned over to Immigrations and Customs Enforcement for deportation.
It's California, the land of fruits and nuts.
If convicted, Pomare could face up to 6 months in the county jail and a fine of up to $1,000 on each count
Boy, that'll sure teach him! :facepalm2:
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Gee, according to this thread this never happened.
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I have faith that rational thinking will win in the end. I don't believe we will ever live in a world that sees pedophilia as acceptable.
If they get that out of control we will stop them.
I just read a article about how pedophila is exactly like being gay. I will try to find it and post it if I do. They are close to getting that Dexter. Found the article....
Paedophilia a 'sexual orientation - like being straight or gay'
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/paedophilia-sexual-orientation-straight-gay-criminal-psychologist-child-sex-abuse-a6965956.html
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I just read a article about how pedophila is exactly like being gay. I will try to find it and post it if I do. They are close to getting that Dexter.
What they'll do is flip it on it's head. They won't at first condone a 45 y/o man in a relationship with a 13 y/o girl or boy, what they'll do is say that no one has the right to tell that 13 y/o girl or boy who they love. They'll lower the age of consent as much as they can and try and get rid of statutory rape laws via the courts.
That and probably a half dozen other twists to decriminalize it. Especially for gays and trannies.
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I just read a article about how pedophila is exactly like being gay. I will try to find it and post it if I do. They are close to getting that Dexter. Found the article....
Paedophilia a 'sexual orientation - like being straight or gay'
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/paedophilia-sexual-orientation-straight-gay-criminal-psychologist-child-sex-abuse-a6965956.html
They've been working on 'normalizing' pedophilia for a while now.
It took them decades to do it with homosexuality. I'm sure now that they have figured out how to do it, this normalization will be faster.
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I just read a article about how pedophila is exactly like being gay. I will try to find it and post it if I do. They are close to getting that Dexter. Found the article....
Paedophilia a 'sexual orientation - like being straight or gay'
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/paedophilia-sexual-orientation-straight-gay-criminal-psychologist-child-sex-abuse-a6965956.html
Recognizing the fact that pedophilia is a sexual orientation is not the same as saying it should be accepted in society. Studying and understanding pedophilia will help us combat it. It will never be legal to have sex with children in the United States.
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What they'll do is flip it on it's head. They won't at first condone a 45 y/o man in a relationship with a 13 y/o girl or boy, what they'll do is say that no one has the right to tell that 13 y/o girl or boy who they love. They'll lower the age of consent as much as they can and try and get rid of statutory rape laws via the courts.
That and probably a half dozen other twists to decriminalize it. Especially for gays and trannies.
That's not going to happen.
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That's not going to happen.
Whoopi On Roman Polanski: It Wasn't 'Rape-Rape'
http://jezebel.com/5369395/whoopi-on-roman-polanski-it-wasnt-rape-rape
This morning on The View, the ladies took it upon themselves to untangle the Roman Polanski affair, because that's their job. In the process, we learned about Whoopi's strange and fascinating moral universe, which includes the concept of "rape-rape."
First: there probably aren't two people out there who have studied this case and agree exactly on what should happen to Roman Polanski, so let's get that out of the way before this conversation spirals down the way it did on The View this morning. There are certainly gray areas to be found here, even if they're only concerning a biased judge. But Whoopi Goldberg, in a condescending rant ostensibly about clarifying exactly what Roman Polanski was charged with (as if that matters, when nobody is denying that he drugged and had sex with a child), can't seem to find them. She seems obsessed with the actual charges to which Polanski pleaded guilty (sex with a minor), and refers to the case as a "suit," as if it's a civil lawsuit about a roach in a box of french fries.
The other ladies try to get a word in edgewise while Whoopi distracts them with her crusade of literal legal language — could it be because Whoopi's own daughter got pregnant at 15? That fact, while seemingly salient (especially when Whoopi says "Would I want my 14-year-old daughter having sex? Not necessarily."), is never mentioned. So close, ladies! Why didn't you jump on her then?
Then it's time for Whoopi to take us into her fantastical moral universe where there's something called "rape-rape," and where it seems perfectly reasonable to her that a man facing jail charges for a crime to which he pleaded guilty would simply leave the country to avoid them. You know it's a good episode of The View when Sherri Shepherd makes the most sense:
Whoopi: "I know it wasn't rape-rape. It was something else but I don't believe it was rape-rape. He went to jail and and when they let him out he was like "You know what this guy's going to give me a hundred years in jail I'm not staying, so that's why he left."
Oh yes, of course. Duh. Case closed.
What is worrisome about Whoopi's argument is that she refuses to call a 43 year old man having sex with an unconscious 13 year old girl "rape". She may have personal, possibly guilty-parent reasons for not accepting this, but as tangled up as this case is, the fact that it was rape is one of the least controversial things about it. Roman Polanski admitted to drugging and having sex with a child, and in the country in which he did it, that is rape. (Though nice try Whoopi with the "Europeans have sex with children all the time!" argument, or whatever that was.)
It's noble of Whoopi to try to clarify the facts before arguing about a case (her line: "I don't like when we're passionate about something and we don't have all the facts" should be blown up to poster size and placed in front of the ladies for the duration of every show), but a plea agreement isn't necessarily, and often bears no resemblance to, what really happened. People who kill people while drunk driving often cop a plea of manslaughter, when everyone knows it's murder, and Roman Polanski pleaded guilty to a lesser charge than child rape, but it was child rape.
But I will say something about Whoopi Goldberg and the entire discussion on The View today: none of the ladies tried to justify Polanski's actions with the "defense" that he's a genius artist who made groundbreaking movies and should therefore be immune to punishment. Because make no mistake: those people are flat-out saying they would refuse to give up a few good movies to prevent the rape of a child. Whoopi may have been wrong today, but at least she wasn't that wrong.
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I just read a article about how pedophila is exactly like being gay. I will try to find it and post it if I do. They are close to getting that Dexter. Found the article....
Paedophilia a 'sexual orientation - like being straight or gay'
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/paedophilia-sexual-orientation-straight-gay-criminal-psychologist-child-sex-abuse-a6965956.html
No it isn't! It's a feekin DISEASE!
Just becuse you read an article saying something is this or that does NOT make it true!
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While I get the broad gist of things, I must confess to being a bit unfamiliar the details in North Carolina (lots going on at the moment). But couldn't he have said that these things are best left to the States as prescribed by the Tenth Amendment and the Constitution? His electorate would have eaten it up. After all, he said he anticipated the question.
That's my view on it, too. If North Carolina wants to ban it by their representatives voting on it, let the legal system sort it out.
Kasich, on the other hand, is against individual states passing anti-LGBT legislation.
As for Trump's personal views, I'm opposed to his opinion, but it isn't a Litmus Test for me, either.
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Homosexuals are not victimizing anybody. They are consenting adults. The same is not true of pedophiles. There is a clear victim, and because of that it will never be accepted by society. Being a homosexual doesn't hurt anybody; being a pedophile does.
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That's not going to happen.
Dex, I was assured on this very board not even two years ago that what we are dealing with right now on the trans front was ever going to happen. Yet here we are.
No offense, but that's a line in the sand you don't have the power to enforce. The people that do have that power believe in it and want to take it there.
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No it isn't! It's a feekin DISEASE!
Just becuse you read an article saying something is this or that does NOT make it true!
I think you misunderstood the purpose of his post.
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Dex, I was assured on this very board not even two years ago that what we are dealing with right now on the trans front was ever going to happen. Yet here we are.
No offense, but that's a line in the sand you don't have the power to enforce. The people that do have that power believe in it and want to take it there.
I don't think there will ever be enough people that believe it's okay to have sex with children. Can you imagine a politician arguing such a stance? No way. Even the most indoctrinated of people would wake up at that point.
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That's my view on it, too. If North Carolina wants to ban it by their representatives voting on it, let the legal system sort it out.
Kasich, on the other hand, is against individual states passing anti-LGBT legislation.
As for Trump's personal views, I'm opposed to his opinion, but it isn't a Litmus Test for me, either.
It's not just his "personal view." It's how he regards (or rather, disregards) the Constitution.
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Kasich, on the other hand, is against individual states passing anti-LGBT legislation.
Now wait a minute, is Kasich against states having the right to pass legislation like this, or just against doing it in general?
Because I personally think that laws like what NC passed are just a bad idea in general. Just leave it up to local ordinances who can go into what bathrooms. No need to make a big scene about it.
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All I know is that from now on I am having my husband stand guard outside the door..lol :chairbang:
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All I know is that from now on I am having my husband stand guard outside the door..lol :chairbang:
Maybe we should buy our husbands wigs and have them come in with us......... :smokin:
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Maybe we should buy our husbands wigs and have them come in with us......... :smokin:
Can you temporarily identify as a woman? Another interesting legal question I guess we will now be delving into.
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Maybe we should buy our husbands wigs and have them come in with us......... :smokin:
Good idea...I can see Mike doing that...lol
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No it isn't! It's a feekin DISEASE!
Just becuse you read an article saying something is this or that does NOT make it true!
Good grief Bigun.....I never said I believed this article. It was mentioned on this thread that pedophilia would never be accepted by society. I just wanted to point out that some are trying to make it that way. That is why I posted this article.
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Which raises the question, must a man be wearing "women's" clothing to identify as a woman and use the ladies room? I mean, haven't liberals long said that those things are just a social construct? Besides, many women wear manly clothing. Just how woman-like must these bathroom invaders be?
I'm genuinely curious to see how the left solves this. My guess is that legally I will be able to walk into a women's room wearing my street clothes and use it and businesses, based on the Virginia ruling, will be legally barred from stopping me. Other possible solutions is some sort of "register" where you register as transgender? It will be fun seeing the vacillating and contorting that goes on to defend this garbage.
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A man claimed a right to use a women’s locker room at a public swimming pool after his partial undressing there caused alarm.
According to Seattle Parks and Recreation, women alerted staff at Evans Pool staff when a man wearing swim trunks entered the women’s locker room and took off his shirt.
When staff told him to leave, the man reportedly said “the law has changed and I have a right to be here.”
Employees told Seattle’s King 5 News the man didn’t attempt to identify as female but cited a new Washington state rule allowing individuals to choose their bathroom based on their gender identity.
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Police were not called to respond to the Feb. 8 incident, although the man returned to the locker room while young girls were changing for swimming practice, King 5 reported.
Seattle Parks spokesman David Takami told the station that since a protocol didn’t exist for someone to demonstrate gender to use public facilities, employees rely on appearance or verbal confirmation. He said the man offered neither.
“This didn’t seem like a transgender issue to staff—someone who was ‘identifying’ as a woman. We have guidelines that allow transgender individuals to use restrooms and locker rooms consistent with their gender identity. We want everyone to feel comfortable in our facilities,” Takami said in a prepared statement
“The Seattle Parks spokesman confirms what critics of these laws have said for a while now: There is no way for officials to confirm or deny someone’s ‘gender identity,’” Ryan T. Anderson, a senior research fellow at The Heritage Foundation and author of the report “Sexual Orientation and Gender Identity Laws Threaten Freedom,” said in an email to The Daily Signal.
“Sexual orientation and gender identity laws are based on subjective and unverifiable identities, not objective traits, and thus are prone for abuse.”
Washington state’s Human Rights Commission approved a rule in December that allows transgender persons to use the public locker rooms and bathrooms of their choosing.
The state Senate failed to repeal the rule by one vote on Feb. 10.
Supporters of the rule say concerns about the threat to women’s privacy and safety are unlikely to be realized, and transgender individuals are more likely to experience harassment without the rule.
“Because this population is at high risk for being targets of abuse, forcing transgender people to use a restroom inconsistent with their gender presentation or identity can increase their risk of experiencing violence,” the Washington Coalition of Sexual Assault Programs said in a statement opposing repeal.
Opponents argue that the rule leaves women vulnerable to sexual predators who might use the measure as a loophole to gain access to opposite-sex facilities.
“Not a single member of the Washington state Senate has suggested transgendered persons are sex predators. But many of us are concerned sex predators will claim to be transgendered,” state Sen. Tim Sheldon, D-Potlatch, said in a press release in response to the failure of the repeal effort.
The Human Rights Commission’s rule reads:
If another person expresses concern or discomfort about a person who uses a facility that is consistent with the person’s gender expression or gender identity, the person expressing discomfort should be directed to a separate or gender-neutral facility, if available.
“Washington’s regulations even go so far to say that it is complaining women, not biological men, who should be asked to leave intimate facilities in cases of controversy over gender identity,” Roger Severino, director of the DeVos Center for Religion and Civil Society at The Heritage Foundation, told The Daily Signal, adding:
Washington’s policy gives short shrift to the legitimate concerns of women who feel their privacy is being violated by the presence of men identifying as women in women’s locker rooms and showers.
http://dailysignal.com/2016/02/23/man-allowed-to-use-womens-locker-room-at-swimming-pool-without-citing-gender-identity/
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No, I wasn't thinking "hoards".
But I was thinking....what if it was my daughter or grand daughter who was the victim of a brutal assault in a public restroom because of this law?
Geesh....all she wants to do is relieve herself in peace.
Brutal assaults have been with us since the dawn of time. And since their beginning, there has been zero security in public restrooms .... ANY public restroom. The irony is: the sooner we accept that there is no security, the safer we will be. :shrug:
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Maybe we should buy our husbands wigs and have them come in with us......... :smokin:
Oh, no. I've seen what's in that room. I'm not going in there again.
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It's not just his "personal view." It's how he regards (or rather, disregards) the Constitution.
How is that?
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That whole locker room thing is even worse. Often it is just an open room and there are not private changing stalls. At my gym back where you shower, while the showers are individual with small, wimpy doors, it definitely is not entirely private. They do have a couple of private options for changing clothes, but that would be impossible in the shower area.
Then there are dressing rooms in stores. It's more than just bathrooms.
If you're female, next time you're in a locker room changing, you'll look over and see this guy:
(https://i.warosu.org/data/tg/img/0335/63/1406003136570.jpg)
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We'll see how long this law survives when some lady empties a magazine clip into one of these freaks.
Then, they'll suggest the trans NOT make eye contact.
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http://althouse.blogspot.com/2016/04/trump-gives-direct-strong-answer-on.html
Althouse
April 21, 2016
Trump gives a direct, strong answer on transgendered people and bathrooms.
I like the way he focused on the role of law. North Carolina enacted a law, and now "they're paying a big price, and there's a lot of problems." Law wasn't needed, because: "There have been very few complaints the way it is. People go, they use the bathroom that they feel is appropriate, there has been so little trouble." There was already a social adjustment that accommodated people who needed to be accommodated.
Asked whether he would let Caitlyn Jenner, a trans woman, use the bathroom of her choice at Trump Tower, he said he would. He added, "There's a big move to create new bathrooms. Problem with that is … first of all, I think that would be discriminatory in a certain way. It would be unbelievably expensive for businesses and for the country. Leave it the way it is."
He was clear, practical, and sensible. He didn't go into impugning anyone on either side but saw it in terms of economics and law — and by law, I mean the limits of law, where it should end and where social etiquette works.
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We'll see how long this law survives when some lady empties a magazine clip into one of these freaks.
Then, they'll suggest the trans NOT make eye contact.
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Isn't Trump PRO-CONCEALED CARRY?
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http://althouse.blogspot.com/2016/04/trump-gives-direct-strong-answer-on.html
Althouse
April 21, 2016
Trump gives a direct, strong answer on transgendered people and bathrooms.
I like the way he focused on the role of law. North Carolina enacted a law, and now "they're paying a big price, and there's a lot of problems." Law wasn't needed, because: "There have been very few complaints the way it is. People go, they use the bathroom that they feel is appropriate, there has been so little trouble." There was already a social adjustment that accommodated people who needed to be accommodated.
Asked whether he would let Caitlyn Jenner, a trans woman, use the bathroom of her choice at Trump Tower, he said he would. He added, "There's a big move to create new bathrooms. Problem with that is … first of all, I think that would be discriminatory in a certain way. It would be unbelievably expensive for businesses and for the country. Leave it the way it is."
He was clear, practical, and sensible. He didn't go into impugning anyone on either side but saw it in terms of economics and law — and by law, I mean the limits of law, where it should end and where social etiquette works.
LOL!! Yes, of course. Donald is the only sensible one talking about transgenders in bathrooms. Only he didn't talk sensibly about it. What he said was a mess. But, then, every thing he says is a mess.
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Can you temporarily identify as a woman? Another interesting legal question I guess we will now be delving into.
In the context of public bathrooms, the more interesting question may be whether a woman can temporarily identify as a man. In the real world, at sporting events and other crowded situtions, there frequently are lines to use the women's room. Last week at a Phils game, Mrs. Jazz walked to three bathrooms before finding one without a long line. It would certainly be a boon to women to be able to duck into an under-utilized men's room and relieve themselves.
Perhaps women would prefer to risk the once-in-a-blue-moon transgender in the ladies room in order to gain the ability to save time by using the men's room.
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Isn't Trump PRO-CONCEALED CARRY?
If he was yesterday, he probably isn't today................. but he may be tomorrow, so there's that............
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Humans of both genders have something called a personal space. The exact distance is unknown but everyone knows when its been violated. It's a comfort thing, and it's been that way for thousands of years. Likewise, everyone (almost) knows that in a bathroom, almost everyone, male or female would be uncomfortable with an unknown member of the opposite sex perhaps standing only a foot or two away. Feeling insecure or uncomfortable in that situation is victimization.
Does a young girl have to be made to feel like a bigot because she doesn't want a man standing within a couple of feet of her while in a bathroom? Yeah, apparently a guy who is uncomfortable with his own biology has the right to make everyone else feel uncomfortable too. Where are the rights of that little girl?
The right to privacy exists in the case of abortions but not in public restroom facilities usage.
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Someone needs to ask Ivanka Trump to describe the last time that she used a public restroom in a bus depot or some place similar.
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Who cares where they choose to go to the bathroom?
You really think its a critical to the nation's future that we block transgender people from the rest rooms...I'd say we have real problems to deal with, and Trump is brilliant to take that kind of stupidity off the table as he moves towards general election mode. Heck Sink, I'd share a couple of stalls with you any day as long as you adhere to the Bro Code (One space between us, baby!). :amen:
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LOL!! Yes, of course. Donald is the only sensible one talking about transgenders in bathrooms. Only he didn't talk sensibly about it. What he said was a mess. But, then, every thing he says is a mess.
I like the Cruz policy. Hold a few Witch trials, burn 'em at the stake for the sinners they are!
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I want to be a dog. A dog can do all sorts of things that are normal - for dogs. Well, okay... some things I wouldn't be so interested in doing. But every fire hydrant is fair game.
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We'll see how long this law survives when some lady empties a magazine clip into one of these freaks.
Then, they'll suggest the trans NOT make eye contact.
Then that woman will be taken out by the fed gov and attacked in the MSM. Her life will be ruined.
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Lots of cases where non-trans males barged into a female restroom and victimized a woman.
If these say they are trans, then we are supposed to accept that, no matter how they look on the outside. One of their arguments against the NC law is that we can't be checking their underpants. So, they cannot pretend these men do not count as trans, if they are going into the women's bathroom then we must accept that they felt like women.
gotta be consistent after all.
:p
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Then that woman will be taken out by the fed gov and attacked in the MSM. Her life will be ruined.
Bernadette Goetz
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Wait until a middle school girl is sued or charged with hate crime for refusing to shower with a boy.
The left will drag the little hater through the glass and mud.
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I want to be a dog. A dog can do all sorts of things that are normal - for dogs. Well, okay... some things I wouldn't be so interested in doing. But every fire hydrant is fair game.
I'm feeling like a billionaire today.
I'll let you know how it works out.
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I like the Cruz policy. Hold a few Witch trials, burn 'em at the stake for the sinners they are!
Wow. That was a stupid thing to say............. **nononono*
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Bernadette Goetz
Who is she?
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I'm feeling like a billionaire today.
I'll let you know how it works out.
:laugh:
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Wait until a middle school girl is sued or charged with hate crime for refusing to shower with a boy.
The left will drag the little hater through the glass and mud.
I agree.
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I don't agree with Trump, but this was a smart move on his part. The primary is basically over. He can't do anything about the North Carolina law, and transgendered people are not the focus of this campaign. He figured that if he voiced support for the law, then Hillary and the liberal media would attack him on this until November. This election is about immigration, trade, etc., and he doesn't want to lose focus on those issues.
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I don't agree with Trump, but this was a smart move on his part. The primary is basically over. He can't do anything about the North Carolina law, and transgendered people are not the focus of this campaign. He figured that if he voiced support for the law, then Hillary and the liberal media would attack him on this until November. This election is about immigration, trade, etc., and he doesn't want to lose focus on those issues.
That's a very good point. Trump is running against Hillary now.
This is one I don't agree with Trump on, but it's not a dealbreaker for me. Right now, he is being asked gotcha questions like crazy - he is being targeted because he is the frontrunner. I expect to hear a lot of crap like that - it's just manufactured diversion to keep Hillary looking good and the Republicans looking like monsters.
Personally, I think that transgender people need a lot of psychological and medical testing done before having something like that done - to the point of it being extremely rare. I do not think it should be mainstreamed into our culture. Soon, every sitcom will have to have that one transgender character.
You know they will. **nononono*
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Who is she?
The female version of Bernard Goetz who shot thugs on a subway a while back
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I want to be a dog. A dog can do all sorts of things that are normal - for dogs. Well, okay... some things I wouldn't be so interested in doing. But every fire hydrant is fair game.
I want to be a Klingon..
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Common sense and decency has all but disappeared from this once great country. The melting pot ended up getting too many impurities. What kind of freak wants to use a bathroom with the opposite sez?
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Common sense and decency has all but disappeared from this once great country. The melting pot ended up getting too many impurities. What kind of freak wants to use a bathroom with the opposite sez?
Donald Trump.
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Common sense and decency has all but disappeared from this once great country. The melting pot ended up getting too many impurities. What kind of freak wants to use a bathroom with the opposite sez?
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I can see men dressing up as woman just to have access to the children or woman . One man was already caught taking video's. Went in dressed as a woman but of course was a pervert.
WAC
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Trump squats when he pees so this is not a big issue for him.
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Trump squats when he pees so this is not a big issue for him.
Peeking again, eh Frank?
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Quote from: A-Lert on Today at 07:27:19 PM
Common sense and decency has all but disappeared from this once great country. The melting pot ended up getting too many impurities. What kind of freak wants to use a bathroom with the opposite sez?
The immediate thought that popped into my head also and I am sure a lot others also.
Why doesn't that surprise me? It shows where your head is.
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Hard for folks to find what they refuse to look for!
Thank you for the research Bigun.
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Trump squats when he pees so this is not a big issue for him.
He just does that because he has a micturition disorder. This is common in males who have small hands.
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Some FReepers seem to be in shock. lol.
Jim Rob now has a choice, will he embrace the real liberal Donnie. Can a man who can't keep pervs out of the girls toilet keep illegals out of the country... :silly: :silly:
JR is 100% all in, he has no choice now. It will be the end of his forum.
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JR is 100% all in, he has no choice now. It will be the end of his forum.
Absolutely!
Welcome aboard!
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Thank you, sir. Good to be here.
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I do not want to change or pee in a bathroom with a man. I don't care what kind of identity crisis they are having.
What a liberal Donald Trump is. Can't believe my fellow Conservatives would even entertain the idea of Trump for POTUS.
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I do not want to change or pee in a bathroom with a man. I don't care what kind of identity crisis they are having.
What a liberal Donald Trump is. Can't believe my fellow Conservatives would even entertain the idea of Trump for POTUS.
Everyone who calls himself Conservative isn't! And anyone who would vote for Trump can't possibly be!
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There's no way you can tell if a man is just dressing up to look like a trans.....when in fact is a sexual predator.
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There's no way you can tell if a man is just dressing up to look like a trans.....when in fact is a sexual predator.
One might infer it...
after the assault. :thud:
Welcome WAC.
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There's no way you can tell if a man is just dressing up to look like a trans.....when in fact is a sexual predator.
I think they are all sexual predators.
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I don't agree with Trump, but this was a smart move on his part. The primary is basically over. He can't do anything about the North Carolina law, and transgendered people are not the focus of this campaign. He figured that if he voiced support for the law, then Hillary and the liberal media would attack him on this until November. This election is about immigration, trade, etc., and he doesn't want to lose focus on those issues.
On the contrary, Trump made fighting political correctness a highlight of his campaign. Did he think "Merry Christmas" was all it was about? His supporters certainly didn't think so. Now when the ultimate PC issue comes up he's no where to be found. Every rally of his talked about the fight against political correctness. The GOP establishment wasn't going to fight it, so he took it on.
Now he doesn't want to lose focus? I think it may be a "smart move" only because like so many other issues of his, he's totally unprepared to actually fight the serious PC issues...well...except for Merrry Christmas.
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Wow. That was a stupid thing to say............. **nononono*
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Well you know that Trump has to embrace policy for his good friend Rudy. And based on the photo's of him and Rudy maybe Trump swings different ways also.
New York values
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I do not want to change or pee in a bathroom with a man. I don't care what kind of identity crisis they are having.
What a liberal Donald Trump is. Can't believe my fellow Conservatives would even entertain the idea of Trump for POTUS.
Conservatives aren't considering him. His fellow liberals are.......
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:amen:
Nothing like letting your anti-Christian hatred shine through, eh??
And he thinks he's better than the rest of us. What a fool!
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On the contrary, Trump made fighting political correctness a highlight of his campaign. Did he think "Merry Christmas" was all it was about? His supporters certainly didn't think so. Now when the ultimate PC issue comes up he's no where to be found. Every rally of his talked about the fight against political correctness. The GOP establishment wasn't going to fight it, so he took it on.
Now he doesn't want to lose focus? I think it may be a "smart move" only because like so many other issues of his, he's totally unprepared to actually fight the serious PC issues...well...except for Merrry Christmas.
It's not a smart move in the least.
Those are just the musings of his loyal followers desperate to make excuses for their liberal hero.......
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:nono: :nono:
No, it shows that the name trump is synonymous with lack of decency and common sense. He has spent a lifetime building that correlation with his name and it fits him perfectly.
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Conservatives aren't considering him. His fellow liberals are.......
He was going to run as Reformed Party before. Liberals have sabotaged our election and some Conservatives have followed like sheep to the slaughter.
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There's no way you can tell if a man is just dressing up to look like a trans.....when in fact is a sexual predator.
So what is the solution? TSA inspectors at the door of every restroom in the US?
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He was going to run as Reformed Party before. Liberals have sabotaged our election and some Conservatives have followed like sheep to the slaughter.
Yes. The slaughter of their own souls..........
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More and more in our society the dignity, comfort, and spirit of traditional people is trumped (no pun intended) by - or for - the sensitivities of a few confused individuals. And, the Left can become damn near militant over it. Sometimes they do.
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Man Accused of Peeping in Womens’ Restroom Also Faces Child Porn Charges
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/04/21/pa-man-accused-peeping-restroom-hit-child-porn-charges/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social (http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/04/21/pa-man-accused-peeping-restroom-hit-child-porn-charges/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social)
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Man Accused of Peeping in Womens’ Restroom Also Faces Child Porn Charges
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/04/21/pa-man-accused-peeping-restroom-hit-child-porn-charges/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social (http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/04/21/pa-man-accused-peeping-restroom-hit-child-porn-charges/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social)
I was about to post that.
Trump needs to rally to this guys defense. They need laws to protect the Perv orientation from being arrested for being who they really are, you know "on the inside." He needs to hold a fundraiser for this poor victim of society's bigotry. lol. I can't even write it with a straight face.
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Man Accused of Peeping in Womens’ Restroom Also Faces Child Porn Charges
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/04/21/pa-man-accused-peeping-restroom-hit-child-porn-charges/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social (http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/04/21/pa-man-accused-peeping-restroom-hit-child-porn-charges/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social)
That article was pulled from FR!!
"Author and Content Not Welcomed"
wow
I guess Freak Republic is now on board the LGBT wagon
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That article was pulled from FR!!
"Author and Content Not Welcomed"
wow
I guess Freak Republic is now on board the LGBT wagon
It would be difficult to be Trump Central and NOT support the LGBTQ agenda, now that Donald has given it the thumbs up....
A natural progression for TOS.
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Remember when Rudy dressing in drag, all in good fun, for a charity event, was the kiss of death?
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I was about to post that.
Trump needs to rally to this guys defense. They need laws to protect the Perv orientation from being arrested for being who they really are, you know "on the inside." He needs to hold a fundraiser for this poor victim of society's bigotry. lol. I can't even write it with a straight face.
Here's one that is even more relevant:
http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2016/04/01/california-man-dressed-woman-busted-videoing-womens-bathroom/
California Man Dressed as Woman Busted Videoing Womens Bathroom
A Palmdale, California, man wearing women’s clothing was arrested in a Lancaster Macy’s store after he was seen in a women’s bathroom. The man was allegedly videotaping women in the bathroom.
Jason Pomare, 33, was arrested over the weekend after mall security officers learned he had been hanging out in a Macy’s department store women’s bathroom. The security guards contacted a Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department (LASD) deputy who found the cross-dressing man in a mall storage area, NBC Los Angeles reported.
When Pomare was contacted, he was wearing a wig and women’s clothing, including a bra, a statement from the LASD revealed. “The deputy noticed he was wearing a wig and appeared to have breasts,” LASD Sergeant Brian Hudson told the Los Angeles news outlet.
While searching the suspect, the deputy discovered a video camera in his purse. The camera allegedly contained hours of women using the bathroom inside the store.
Witnesses told police that Pomare would conceal the camera in bathroom stalls. The woman who contacted store security noticed the “recording light” on the camera. It appears Pomare was in the bathroom for around two hours, Hudson told the reporter.
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JR is 100% all in, he has no choice now. It will be the end of his forum.
I have my doubt how seriously engaged he remains in the daily management of that site. He hasn't looked great in pics I've seen, and that was several years ago.
I wouldn't be surprised if there was some other small group that sets the "editorial" policy around there right now. I wish no-one ill health but JR might just be a Professor John Gill-type figurehead at this juncture.
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Donald Trump.
Trump doesn't want to use a women's restroom. That's a blatant lie.
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150 Students WALK OUT of high school after transgender allowed to use girls locker room
http://therightscoop.com/150-students-walk-out-of-high-school-after-transgender-allowed-to-use-girls-locker-room/ (http://therightscoop.com/150-students-walk-out-of-high-school-after-transgender-allowed-to-use-girls-locker-room/)
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While I disagree with Trump on this one, I also don't have 22,000 employees and numerous business interests that would be "boycotting" and protesting every Trump property, and the media calling him a bigot 24/7. He wisely took that line of attack off the table, and since the President has literally zero say over this states' rights issue, why not protect your business along with the thousands of people under his employ.
Social conservatives aren't voting for him anyhow, so politically I think this was the only move he could make.
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150 Students WALK OUT of high school after transgender allowed to use girls locker room
http://therightscoop.com/150-students-walk-out-of-high-school-after-transgender-allowed-to-use-girls-locker-room/ (http://therightscoop.com/150-students-walk-out-of-high-school-after-transgender-allowed-to-use-girls-locker-room/)
Good for them! Public outcry is the only way to keep these perverts out of the restrooms. Notice how this grassroots movement never happened in opposition to gay marriage, though.
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150 Students WALK OUT of high school after transgender allowed to use girls locker room
http://therightscoop.com/150-students-walk-out-of-high-school-after-transgender-allowed-to-use-girls-locker-room/ (http://therightscoop.com/150-students-walk-out-of-high-school-after-transgender-allowed-to-use-girls-locker-room/)
Good! Fight it now before LGBTrump makes it a hate crime not to let your daughters get diddled
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It stopped being a state issue when the courts began forcing it
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A Palmdale, California, man wearing women’s clothing was arrested in a Lancaster Macy’s store after he was seen in a women’s bathroom.
Had he not been videoing he would have been allowed to use the womens room Not knowing his intent.
Intent? How'd you establish that?
When a naked man is chasing a woman through a dark alley with a butcher knife and a hard on, I figure he isn't out collecting for the Red Cross. Same as a guy dressed as a women in the ladies room.
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While I disagree with Trump on this one, I also don't have 22,000 employees and numerous business interests that would be "boycotting" and protesting every Trump property, and the media calling him a bigot 24/7. He wisely took that line of attack off the table, and since the President has literally zero say over this states' rights issue, why not protect your business along with the thousands of people under his employ.
Social conservatives aren't voting for him anyhow, so politically I think this was the only move he could make.
As I said earlier, Trump's the one who made political correctness this huge campaign issue. I guess condemning PC is a good thing...as long as it doesn't provoke protests. I think concerns about transgenders using girls' bathrooms and locker-rooms might extend well past social conservatism.
It's easy to campaign to be able to say "Merry Christmas"; not so easy for the real political correctness issues of today.
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Had he not been videoing he would have been allowed to use the womens room Not knowing his intent.
Intent? How'd you establish that?
How is one to discern the actual sex of a person dressed as a man or a woman? We have to assume until? Cross dressers and transgenders are nothing new.
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While I disagree with Trump on this one, I also don't have 22,000 employees and numerous business interests that would be "boycotting" and protesting every Trump property, and the media calling him a bigot 24/7. He wisely took that line of attack off the table, and since the President has literally zero say over this states' rights issue, why not protect your business along with the thousands of people under his employ.
Social conservatives aren't voting for him anyhow, so politically I think this was the only move he could make.
SOCONS are a cancer on our Republic.
They're tantamount to Progressive Prius owners with CO-EXIST bumper stickers.
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As I said earlier, Trump's the one who made political correctness this huge campaign issue. I guess condemning PC is a good thing...as long as it doesn't provoke protests. I think concerns about transgenders using girls' bathrooms and locker-rooms might extend well past social conservatism.
It's easy to campaign to be able to say "Merry Christmas"; not so easy for the real political correctness issues of today.
Look, the whole girl's bathroom and locker room thing could be handled by parents quickly. Withdraw your kids from school and fire the school administrators.
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SOCONS are a cancer on our Republic.
They're tantamount to Progressive Prius owners with CO-EXIST bumper stickers.
Is this how you Trumpkins intend to unify the party? Driving 30% of it out?
Not that most were going to support Trump anyway. They weren't especially since Trump is softening his abortion stance, little by little.
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Look, the whole girl's bathroom and locker room thing could be handled by parents quickly. Withdraw your kids from school and fire the school administrators.
Yet it's about Trump and political correctness isn't it? If people are condemned for not wanting someone of the opposite gender using their restrooms, isn't that a PC issue that Trump has condemned? I don't know. I thought he made it a campaign issue. "Political correctness is killing our Country" D. Trump.
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SOCONS are a cancer on our Republic.
They're tantamount to Progressive Prius owners with CO-EXIST bumper stickers.
Gee thanks, DC.
Glad to see you want to drive all of us pro-life people out of your "Republican" Party.
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SOCONS are a cancer on our Republic.
They're tantamount to Progressive Prius owners with CO-EXIST bumper stickers.
That's a pretty sad thing to see here DC. **nononono*
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While I disagree with Trump on this one, I also don't have 22,000 employees and numerous business interests that would be "boycotting" and protesting every Trump property, and the media calling him a bigot 24/7. He wisely took that line of attack off the table, and since the President has literally zero say over this states' rights issue, why not protect your business along with the thousands of people under his employ.
Social conservatives aren't voting for him anyhow, so politically I think this was the only move he could make.
If and when he becomes POTUS he will still have those employees and run that risk with every decision he makes.
So then, as POTUS whose best interests will he be thinking of when faced with the hard choices?
His business interests or the nation's and the people's interests?
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That's a pretty sad thing to see here DC. **nononono*
Goes a little beyond just disagreeing intelligently with people like me, doesn't it?
Lovely to be called a "cancer" just because I hold the values that everyone held not that long ago...... **nononono*
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How is one to discern the actual sex of a person dressed as a man or a woman? We have to assume until? Cross dressers and transgenders are nothing new.
The same way we've been doing it, by not offering legal protection to perverts.
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SOCONS are a cancer on our Republic.
They're tantamount to Progressive Prius owners with CO-EXIST bumper stickers.
wow. That is just insane
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Yet it's about Trump and political correctness isn't it? If people are condemned for not wanting someone of the opposite gender using their restrooms, isn't that a PC issue that Trump has condemned? I don't know. I thought he made it a campaign issue. "Political correctness is killing our Country" D. Trump.
It isn't a political fight worth fighting. Again, how are you able to tell a transgender or transvestite until after the fact? The courts are deciding.
http://fox40.com/2016/04/20/transgender-teen-wins-federal-case-over-bathrooms-title-ix/
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The same way we've been doing it, by not offering legal protection to perverts.
How do you know what sex a person is in a public restroom? Do you physically check them out?
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It isn't a political fight worth fighting. Again, how are you able to tell a transgender or transvestite until after the fact? The courts are deciding.
http://fox40.com/2016/04/20/transgender-teen-wins-federal-case-over-bathrooms-title-ix/
The five o'clock shadow.
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Gee thanks, DC.
Glad to see you want to drive all of us pro-life people out of your "Republican" Party.
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The five o'clock shadow.
Like that on Pelosi and Hillary?
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Goes a little beyond just disagreeing intelligently with people like me, doesn't it?
Lovely to be called a "cancer" just because I hold the values that everyone held not that long ago...... **nononono*
I just don't think he really believes that. Known him too long. Probably just the stress of this whole damn primary season.
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The five o'clock shadow.
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From FR
The bathroom deal is a big fat nothing burger. The exception thing in the platform is worrisome, but it more realistically reflects the standard GOP position which is basically a cowardly do nothing but lie to the voters position about something they plan to mostly ignore except when campaigning and asking for donations.
1,376 posted on 4/22/2016, 2:29:03 PM by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!)
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It isn't a political fight worth fighting. Again, how are you able to tell a transgender or transvestite until after the fact? The courts are deciding.
http://fox40.com/2016/04/20/transgender-teen-wins-federal-case-over-bathrooms-title-ix/
As I'm sure you're aware, there are jurisdictions that now have no questions asked. Just as with gay marriage, the courts will ultimately rule, and no doubt this one has a long way to go. But part of the issue again is Trump, whose campaign against political correctness seems to have met limits. Will he stand up for those who are being called bigots because they want some gender privacy, or because they don't want their 10 year old daughter to have to share the restroom with some 60 year old 250 pound male? I can live with gay marriage as long as religious institutions aren't forced to participate. They have their privacy; I have mine.
This issue is different. The privacy that the left so emphatically demanded has now been turned on its head. My granddaughter has no right to privacy or a feeling of security, and to demand that for her is tantamount to bigotry. This is a big PC issue right out of the Donald's own campaign. So where is he?
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I just don't think he really believes that. Known him too long. Probably just the stress of this whole damn primary season.
Actually, I don't either. That's why I didn't react in anger. There's been way too much of that going around lately.
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Actually, I don't either. That's why I didn't react in anger. There's been way too much of that going around lately.
Agreed. :beer:
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As I'm sure you're aware, there are jurisdictions that now have no questions asked. Just as with gay marriage, the courts will ultimately rule, and no doubt this one has a long way to go. But part of the issue again is Trump, whose campaign against political correctness seems to have met limits. Will he stand up for those who are being called bigots because they want some gender privacy, or because they don't want their 10 year old daughter to have to share the restroom with some 60 year old 250 pound male? I can live with gay marriage as long as religious institutions aren't forced to participate. They have their privacy; I have mine.
This issue is different. The privacy that the left so emphatically demanded has now been turned on its head. My granddaughter has no right to privacy or a feeling of security, and to demand that for her is tantamount to bigotry. This is a big PC issue right out of the Donald's own campaign. So where is he?
He is like most of us. We have personal beliefs and feelings. I don't hate gays, transgenders or transexuals. I just don't knowingly associate with them. I would withdraw my child from school if the school district decided my child's privacy and security wasn't important. I do hate child molesters and pedophiles. However, they generally aren't identified until after the assault on their victims.
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Two things:
1) I really am tired of the 'gottcha' questions; the candidates nightmare and the reporters delight.
2) D. Trump should never answer hypothetical questions.
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SOCONS are a cancer on our Republic.
They're tantamount to Progressive Prius owners with CO-EXIST bumper stickers.
I knew it was bound to happen sooner or later but it still breaks my heart! 8888crybaby **nononono*
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Two things:
1) I really am tired of the 'gottcha' questions; the candidates nightmare and the reporters delight.
2) D. Trump should never answer hypothetical questions.
Welcome, JMS.
Don't we expect gotcha questions? Isn't that part of the vetting?
I think the problem is not so much the questions, it's the answers that DT has been giving.
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Ann Coulter @AnnCoulter 48m48 minutes ago
We wanted Trump to stress his presidential side, not become a division of Manafort & Black.
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This is the biggest thing Trump has going for him: Resignation
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Byron York @ByronYork 52m52 minutes ago
RT @AnnCoulter: I wish Trump would go back to retweeting juvenile photos of Heidi Cruz. I hate the new Manafort & Black Trump
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This is the biggest thing Trump has going for him: Resignation
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The leader in GOP delegates who is gaining momentum causes resignation.
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The leader in GOP delegates who is gaining momentum causes resignation.
Trump is not gaining momentum. He gets an average of 38% of GOP voters in primaries. Most Republicans are, therefore, resigned to the fact that a minority of Republicans have shoved this cretin down our throats.
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How do you know what sex a person is in a public restroom? Do you physically check them out?
lol. Letting a man in a suit and beard should be able to walk in and piss openly in the floor according to the left. NYC already lets them piss on the sidewalk with their junk all over the place.
Such family friendly liberal stuff.
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Two things:
1) I really am tired of the 'gottcha' questions; the candidates nightmare and the reporters delight.
2) D. Trump should never answer hypothetical questions.
asking his position on a burning issue of the day is not a gotcha question.
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Welcome, JMS.
Don't we expect gotcha questions? Isn't that part of the vetting?
I think the problem is not so much the questions, it's the answers that DT has been giving.
:beer: ... and his 'flip-flopping' on every issue afterwards
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Trump is not gaining momentum. He gets an average of 38% of GOP voters in primaries. Most Republicans are, therefore, resigned to the fact that a minority of Republicans have shoved this cretin down our throats.
Trump schlonged Cruz and Kasich. The polls that you were so infatuated with earlier, noticeably absent recently, show Trump's GOP support increasing almost daily.
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Trump schlonged Cruz and Kasich. The polls that you were so infatuated with earlier, noticeably absent recently, show Trump's GOP support increasing almost daily.
Trump will not get to 1237 so in essence, Cruz has schlonged Trump!
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lol. Letting a man in a suit and beard should be able to walk in and piss openly in the floor according to the left. NYC already lets them piss on the sidewalk with their junk all over the place.
Such family friendly liberal stuff.
So you are claiming there is no law against pissing on the sidewalk in NYC?
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Trump will not get to 1237 so in essence, Cruz has schlonged Trump!
Yes he will. Cruz is mathematically eliminated. Kasich is living in lala land.
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So you are claiming there is no law against pissing on the sidewalk in NYC?
Don't be obtuse. You know in de Bazio's NY the NYPD is veboten from charging pee'ers.
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Don't be obtuse. You know in de Bazio's NY the NYPD is veboten from charging pee'ers.
No I don't know. I've never been to NYC and it isn't in my future plans to visit.
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Those that oppose Trump in the GOP are more than just Social Conservatives.
Yep.
I'm no SoCon.
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I just don't think he really believes that. Known him too long. Probably just the stress of this whole damn primary season.
The SOCONS pull this sh*t every 4 years.
I know it. You know it. And Democrat Party knows it.
My country is being purposely destroyed as Founded, and this cycle, they get all stupid over Abortion and Transgenders being able to use the restroom of their choice.
Every four years they pull out the Abortion litmus test as if that's the deal breaker for them.
But you're right. I'll go back to laughing with them once Cleveland is a memory. :laugh:
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Yep.
I'm no SoCon.
No, you're not, Luis. But you have a lot in common with them when it comes to Donald Trump. :laugh:
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Those that oppose Trump in the GOP are more than just Social Conservatives.
Yeah, but with them, their dislike of Trump is virtually unanimous.
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Actually, I don't either. That's why I didn't react in anger. There's been way too much of that going around lately.
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No, you're not, Luis. But you have a lot in common with them when it comes to Donald Trump. :laugh:
As well as with the majority of the voters.
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The SOCONS pull this sh*t every 4 years.
I know it. You know it. And Democrat Party knows it.
My country is being purposely destroyed as Founded, and this cycle, they get all stupid over Abortion and Transgenders being able to use the restroom of their choice.
Every four years they pull out the Abortion litmus test as if that's the deal breaker for them.
But you're right. I'll go back to laughing with them once Cleveland is a memory. :laugh:
The country as founded was destroyed a LONG time ago David! It started in earnest in the early 1850'S and by 1873 the deed was done! The republic our founders gave us was no more! Replaced by the mercantile empire we now enjoy!
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Trying to stop the wholesale slaughter of babies and not wanting perverts to join little girls in the bathrooms and showers is a bad thing... right... sure.
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The country as founded was destroyed a LONG time ago David! It started in earnest in the early 1850'S and by 1873 the deed was done! The republic our founders gave us was no more! Replaced by the mercantile empire we now enjoy!
My point was that we have Obama today because the SOCONS couldn't pray themselves to sleep at night if they voted for a Mormon.
And here we go again.
If "their guy" loses the Nomination, they get into the fetal position and stay home on Election Day.
....or they turn The Briefing Room into 'Animal House'.
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Me too, friend? :beer:
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After reading this entire thread, man I am tired :thud:
You all do realize that drag Queens and transgender have been using women's bathrooms for many years?
You probably do not know that because they look and act like women, or hookers! But either way they go in do their business wash Their hands, fix their makeup and leave.
If man is stalking a woman he will go in a bathroom anyway.
You do know that women will run into the men's room when the ladies room line is wrapped around the building and she has to pee from the four beers she just drank?
Ok, maybe a lot of you don't know that last scenario. :whistle:
But point being, the law is crock!
Nothing will be any different than it is now.
Predators will be no more prevalent than they already are.
Chicken Little has been out screaming the sky is falling, and everyone believes it!
This is nothing but a left ploy to show the right as s bunch of drama queens.
Common sense tells you to not go into a bathroom in a secluded place or late at night in a secluded place.
Plus, if any of you are letting your young children go to the bathroom in a public place alone, Then shame on you!
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After reading this entire thread, man I am tired :thud:
You all do realize that drag Queens and transgender have been using women's bathrooms for many years?
You probably do not know that because they look and act like women, or hookers! But either way they go in do their business wash Their hands, fix their makeup and leave.
If man is stalking a woman he will go in a bathroom anyway.
You do know that women will run into the men's room when the ladies room line is wrapped around the building and she has to pee from the four beers she just drank?
Ok, maybe a lot of you don't know that last scenario. :whistle:
But point being, the law is crock!
Nothing will be any different than it is now.
Predators will be no more prevalent than they already are.
Chicken Little has been out screaming the sky is falling, and everyone believes it!
This is nothing but a left ploy to show the right as s bunch of drama queens.
Common sense tells you to not go into a bathroom in a secluded place or late at night in a secluded place.
Plus, if any of you are letting your young children go to the bathroom in a public place alone, Then shame on you!
Unmitigated total surrender! Hell no!
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Me too, friend? :beer:
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And MAC, too! :beer:
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After reading this entire thread, man I am tired :thud:
You all do realize that drag Queens and transgender have been using women's bathrooms for many years?
You probably do not know that because they look and act like women, or hookers! But either way they go in do their business wash Their hands, fix their makeup and leave.
If man is stalking a woman he will go in a bathroom anyway.
You do know that women will run into the men's room when the ladies room line is wrapped around the building and she has to pee from the four beers she just drank?
Ok, maybe a lot of you don't know that last scenario. :whistle:
But point being, the law is crock!
Nothing will be any different than it is now.
Predators will be no more prevalent than they already are.
Chicken Little has been out screaming the sky is falling, and everyone believes it!
This is nothing but a left ploy to show the right as s bunch of drama queens.
Common sense tells you to not go into a bathroom in a secluded place or late at night in a secluded place.
Plus, if any of you are letting your young children go to the bathroom in a public place alone, Then shame on you!
Okay. Nice. Fine. Point taken. How liberal of you.
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He is like most of us. We have personal beliefs and feelings. I don't hate gays, transgenders or transexuals. I just don't knowingly associate with them. I would withdraw my child from school if the school district decided my child's privacy and security wasn't important. I do hate child molesters and pedophiles. However, they generally aren't identified until after the assault on their victims.
No, Trump's not like most of us. But you really know that.
And again, it's not just child molesters. And depending on where you live, get used to the word "choice". But like you, I don't hate any of them. I simply want them to stay out of my life, and I don't want to live where there's a no questions asked policy about who goes into which restroom, especially in schools. It's not going to happen here in SC for ( :0001:). It's a simple law; go where the plumbing is allowed. And don't treat us all like knuckle-dragging bigots because we treasure our privacy and that of our kids.
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The SOCONS pull this sh*t every 4 years.
I know it. You know it. And Democrat Party knows it.
My country is being purposely destroyed as Founded, and this cycle, they get all stupid over Abortion and Transgenders being able to use the restroom of their choice.
Every four years they pull out the Abortion litmus test as if that's the deal breaker for them.
But you're right. I'll go back to laughing with them once Cleveland is a memory. :laugh:
I don't think this thread has anything to do with abortion. Anyway Cruz seems to be the only one staunchly opposed. Kasich is against partial-birth abortion; Trump is...well..I'm not really sure, though he supports PP, so that should mean he's not socially conservative. So I don't think abortion is likely to be a major issue this year. Anyway, as I said before, this PC stuff is Trumps' campaign, but when it comes up...it seems to be about little more than being able to say Merry Christmas.
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After reading this entire thread, man I am tired :thud:
You all do realize that drag Queens and transgender have been using women's bathrooms for many years?
You probably do not know that because they look and act like women, or hookers! But either way they go in do their business wash Their hands, fix their makeup and leave.
If man is stalking a woman he will go in a bathroom anyway.
You do know that women will run into the men's room when the ladies room line is wrapped around the building and she has to pee from the four beers she just drank?
Ok, maybe a lot of you don't know that last scenario. :whistle:
But point being, the law is crock!
Nothing will be any different than it is now.
Predators will be no more prevalent than they already are.
Chicken Little has been out screaming the sky is falling, and everyone believes it!
This is nothing but a left ploy to show the right as s bunch of drama queens.
Common sense tells you to not go into a bathroom in a secluded place or late at night in a secluded place.
Plus, if any of you are letting your young children go to the bathroom in a public place alone, Then shame on you!
Somehow you missed the whole privacy..secure feeling issue. Trannies don't have to wear dresses any more in some states, and apparently soon the whole Country And if they don't, how secure is your granddaughter going to feel taking a pee with a bunch of guys standing in there? It's going that way. And no one who supports Trump wants to criticize anything he does or says. Just because his big campaign issue is political correctness doesn't mean he has to have any problem with it. If someone jumps up and says they don't like the way things are going on this whole gender issue, they will be condemned by the left. Isn't that a PC issue? Where will Trump stand on it? this is yet another don't ask, don't tell thing.
But as JimRob says...it's a nothing burger. :thud:
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And MAC, too! :beer:
Well... :beer:
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I'll throw my 2-cents in on this conversation. The bathroom you choose should match your equipment not the clothes you wear. You want to use the girls bathroom, then get a wacadicoffamy surgical procedure.
A huge number of transsexuals live that lifestyle not because they have a true conflict with sexual identity, - most want to keep their male equipment. For these its largely part of a sexual fantasy they live out. Many of these are not gay at all, and have the same interest in girls as you and I. Some are even married to women who have excepted it. Bruce Jenner comes to mind. Others have taken a very perverted path, working in porn and prostitution. Now I did not say "all", but it is the truth that there is a large number of these people you really really really don't want in the bathroom with your daughter or wife. If you are going to have a policy that transgender / transsexual people can use a girls bathroom, you are opening Pandora's box.
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Well... :beer:
Well then... :beer:
Where's the bathroom?
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After reading this entire thread, man I am tired :thud:
You all do realize that drag Queens and transgender have been using women's bathrooms for many years?
You probably do not know that because they look and act like women, or hookers! But either way they go in do their business wash Their hands, fix their makeup and leave.
If man is stalking a woman he will go in a bathroom anyway.
You do know that women will run into the men's room when the ladies room line is wrapped around the building and she has to pee from the four beers she just drank?
Ok, maybe a lot of you don't know that last scenario. :whistle:
But point being, the law is crock!
Nothing will be any different than it is now.
Predators will be no more prevalent than they already are.
Chicken Little has been out screaming the sky is falling, and everyone believes it!
This is nothing but a left ploy to show the right as s bunch of drama queens.
Common sense tells you to not go into a bathroom in a secluded place or late at night in a secluded place.
Plus, if any of you are letting your young children go to the bathroom in a public place alone, Then shame on you!
Agreed. Common sense works better than more laws. This is nanny-state conservatism, and shouldn't that be a ridiculous contradiction?
Laws like this won't stop predators from going into a bathroom. And drag queens in bathrooms aren't predators. As for everyone's "comfort", there's still the sign on the door, and the common sense and common courtesy that's seemed to work just fine for hundreds of years before some folks decided this was a problem for government to solve.
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Agreed. Common sense works better than more laws. This is nanny-state conservatism, and shouldn't that be a ridiculous contradiction?
Laws like this won't stop predators from going into a bathroom. And drag queens in bathrooms aren't predators. As for everyone's "comfort", there's still the sign on the door, and the common sense and common courtesy that's seemed to work just fine for hundreds of years before some folks decided this was a problem for government to solve.
Exactly, Jazzhead!
We've spent/wasted 48 hours on this BS nothing story.
Meanwhile, United Healthcare closed a dozens of State Exchanges because they can't survive.
And the MSM was painfully silent, giving Obama and Hillary full cover on the bust that is Obamacare.
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Agreed. Common sense works better than more laws. This is nanny-state conservatism, and shouldn't that be a ridiculous contradiction?
Laws like this won't stop predators from going into a bathroom. And drag queens in bathrooms aren't predators. As for everyone's "comfort", there's still the sign on the door, and the common sense and common courtesy that's seemed to work just fine for hundreds of years before some folks decided this was a problem for government to solve.
Mohammad has a full length beard and long robe, I guess its okay that he is following a bunch of 6 year olds into the public bathroom, I mean who are we to judge....
(http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m13/geronl/girlsroom_zpsl6w7jdhq.jpg)
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Laws like this won't stop predators from going into a bathroom.
Inviting the perverts and predators in, will definitely increase those sorts of crimes.
But I guess sacrifice the girls is a small price to pay for political correctness and diversity.
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Exactly, Jazzhead!
We've spent/wasted 48 hours on this BS nothing story.
Meanwhile, United Healthcare closed a dozens of State Exchanges because they can't survive.
And the MSM was painfully silent, giving Obama and Hillary full cover on the bust that is Obamacare.
Thanks, DC. If we can make Clinton and Obama's failures the issue, we can win this year. This penny-ante stuff - ginning up government-provided solutions to made up problems - is what kills us with everyone who gets their news filtered through sources other than right-wing radio.
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Thanks, DC. If we can make Clinton and Obama's failures the issue, we can win this year. This penny-ante stuff - ginning up government-provided solutions to made up problems - is what kills us with everyone who gets their news filtered through sources other than right-wing radio.
Courts ruling that boys can hop into the showers with 13 year old girls is a made up problem... lol.
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Inviting the perverts and predators in, will definitely increase those sorts of crimes.
But I guess sacrifice the girls is a small price to pay for political correctness and diversity.
No! No one's "inviting perverts in". There's still a sign on the door. A pervert can't claim as a defense that he identifies as a female. This law is not only concocted to solve a problem that doesn't exist, it does nothing to solve that supposed problem. Repeat after me - a pervert cannot claim this law as a defense, because it doesn't mitigate his offense.
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No, Trump's not like most of us. But you really know that.
And again, it's not just child molesters. And depending on where you live, get used to the word "choice". But like you, I don't hate any of them. I simply want them to stay out of my life, and I don't want to live where there's a no questions asked policy about who goes into which restroom, especially in schools. It's not going to happen here in SC for ( :0001:). It's a simple law; go where the plumbing is allowed. And don't treat us all like knuckle-dragging bigots because we treasure our privacy and that of our kids.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/20/us/virginia-transgender-bathroom-case/index.html
Transgender teen wins federal case over bathrooms, Title IX
Incidentally, the 4th Circuit Court of Appeals also covers North Carolina. That means Grimm's victory sets a precedent for students who might challenge North Carolina's new law prohibiting transgender people from using public restrooms for the gender they identify with.
"This opinion is binding in all the states in the 4th Circuit," constitutional lawyer Page Pate said. Those states include Maryland, Virginia, West Virginia, North Carolina and South Carolina.
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The thing about transvesties and transexuals (people who have biologically changed genders), is that it was up to stores and facilities to decide for themselves whether they wanted to remove people who were clearly not the right sex and were making people uncomfortable. The next frontier is that you or business owners won't have the right to tell someone not to use the bathroom in your establishment as long as they "feel like a woman".
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You are arguing from the point of defense and geron1 is arguing from a point of prevention. Big difference. As for a problem not existing, that's not true. Women and children are often targets for attack. The perps don't wear signs saying "perp" and the crossdressers saying "crossdresser." All men should be kept out of the restroom. Plus there is the issue of comfort. This is being pushed for the comfort of men who choose to act like women. What about the comfort of women who are actually women?
As Mr. Trump said clearly today, why don't we just let each state, county and municipality make its own decisions regarding bathroom etiquette. That said, this silliness about crowds of transgenders invading "little girl" occupied bathrooms is just ridiculous. First, they could already do so if they were an actual pervert...and second, couldn't everything you're saying about transgenders apply to lesbians if they were being "perverts and predatory"?
Many of you are looking for a solution where no problem exists, and are concocting absurd scenarios that are incredibly unlikely to occur. This is simply not a presidential issue for a national campaign. And for the record, the ladies bathroom isn't like where we fellas do our business...they have separate stalls with locking doors.
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Thanks, DC. If we can make Clinton and Obama's failures the issue, we can win this year. This penny-ante stuff - ginning up government-provided solutions to made up problems - is what kills us with everyone who gets their news filtered through sources other than right-wing radio.
Which is what this election was upposed to be about, but instead we ended up with a freak show and a 24/7 news cycle dedicated to "what Trump said" which has obliterated any discussion out side of whose wife is hotter, innuendos about the size of the candidates penises, "Lying Ted" and "Little Marco" and "The Wall". Arguing that we should now discuss the failures of the Democrats in order to support the guy who has for months done nothing but beat Republicans and the Republican Party into the ground is pretty damned ironic.
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As Mr. Trump said clearly today, why don't we just let each state, county and municipality make its own decisions
Too late. The federal courts have entered the fray (see A-Lert's post above).
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Too late. The federal courts have entered the fray (see A-Lert's post above).
Which makes the point, we MUST ensure our nominee wins and can appoint the next 2-3 SCJ's over these next 4 years.
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You are arguing from the point of defense and geron1 is arguing from a point of prevention. Big difference. As for a problem not existing, that's not true. Women and children are often targets for attack. The perps don't wear signs saying "perp" and the crossdressers saying "crossdresser." All men should be kept out of the restroom. Plus there is the issue of comfort. This is being pushed for the comfort of men who choose to act like women. What about the comfort of women who are actually women?
I understand the distinction you're drawing, but how does this law constitute "prevention"? It's the sign on the door that provides the prevention - if a guy sneaks into a bathroom and molests a girl, his claim that he "identifies as a female" does not mitigate his offense.
Please explain specifically how this law "prevents" molestation/attacks. Remember, transgenders go into bathrooms for the same reason you do - to pee. And all the law does is dictate the location for peeing.
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Which makes the point, we MUST ensure our nominee wins and can appoint the next 2-3 SCJ's over these next 4 years.
So you support the one who's most certain to lose.
Just brilliant, sir.
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So you support the one who's most certain to lose.
Just brilliant, sir.
In my view, he's the most likely to win. There is much more than polls that go on to assessing how a nominee will do in a general election. Specifically, appeal to Reagan Dems and Independents AND positioning on key issues with the electorate.
So its not really brilliant...its a common sense choice.
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The thing about transvesties and transexuals (people who have biologically changed genders), is that it was up to stores and facilities to decide for themselves whether they wanted to remove people who were clearly not the right sex and were making people uncomfortable. The next frontier is that you or business owners won't have the right to tell someone not to use the bathroom in your establishment as long as they "feel like a woman".
The simple solution here is to install a 3rd restroom.
Men. Women. Transgender.
Now....let's talk about the shitty economy, Donald.
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The simple solution here is to install a 3rd restroom.
Men. Women. Transgender.
Now....let's talk about the shitty economy, Donald.
That's what they need to do.
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Thanks, DC. If we can make Clinton and Obama's failures the issue, we can win this year. This penny-ante stuff - ginning up government-provided solutions to made up problems - is what kills us with everyone who gets their news filtered through sources other than right-wing radio.
I shouldn't blame right-wingers if I were you. A few years ago, gay marriage wasn't much more than a handful of leftist activists. Today it's the law of the land. I can live with it as they have their lives, I have mine. Not so long ago, trannies, etc were just something you saw on TV or in the movies. Occasionally one might come across them in a public venue depending on what part of the Country one came from. Today they are the heroes of the left, and once again, as long as they live their lives and don't interfere with mine, great. As has been pointed out, they've always been around.
But then once again the activism started. And it's morphed into the desires of a tiny handful of gender challenged verses the right to privacy of almost everyone. Now states and the courts are moving quickly to not only ban any laws which simply respect the genders of people, but actually to ensure that anyone, regardless of age or dress can use whatever public restroom he she or it feels like. It's far more than just a tranny issue and everyone here knows it.
It's not about the government getting in the way. In fact, in most state and local jurisdictions, laws always existed to protect the privacy of individuals with respect to this issue. It's about government including the courts moving to make new law to eliminate the right to privacy.
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The simple solution here is to install a 3rd restroom.
Men. Women. Transgender.
Now....let's talk about the shitty economy, Donald.
Separate but equal? Good luck with that one. Courts already have a precedent.
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As Mr. Trump said clearly today, why don't we just let each state, county and municipality make its own decisions regarding bathroom etiquette. That said, this silliness about crowds of transgenders invading "little girl" occupied bathrooms is just ridiculous. First, they could already do so if they were an actual pervert...and second, couldn't everything you're saying about transgenders apply to lesbians if they were being "perverts and predatory"?
Many of you are looking for a solution where no problem exists, and are concocting absurd scenarios that are incredibly unlikely to occur. This is simply not a presidential issue for a national campaign. And for the record, the ladies bathroom isn't like where we fellas do our business...they have separate stalls with locking doors.
Not about crowds of trannies. There was no need for any solution as no problem really existed because in most places men couldn't go into a woman's restroom. If they dressed up contrary to their plumbing, who was the wiser? As for the separate stalls, if I have my granddaughter out for the day and she wants to use the comfort station, I'll let her know about that, and that even if men are in there, she shouldn't feel any embarrassment or concern, because there simply is no problem, and if there is, it's her problem, not theirs. That should make her feel a hell of a lot better.
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In my view, he's the most likely to win. There is much more than polls that go on to assessing how a nominee will do in a general election. Specifically, appeal to Reagan Dems and Independents AND positioning on key issues with the electorate.
But those things are reflected in polls. And the thing with Trump is that the polls are unanimous - folks can't stand him, really can't abide him. That many polls aren't wrong. It is a sign of cult worship that you'd conclude they must be.
The only way those poll numbers can change is if Trump changes his positions and persona. Maybe he can - he admitted (or rather his new top advisor admitted) the other day that it's all an act. We once elected an actor to the Presidency, but we elected him with the knowledge or trust that his convictions were sincere. Trump admits he's a chameleon, a scam artist, whose credo is exploitation not principle - just give the people the red meat they want.
History recounts dozens of such figures. Most of them were big trouble, and the people rued the freedoms that were jack-booted from them. In the rarest and perhaps most notorious cases, the people voted in their Strong Man by the voluntary casting of the ballot.
We all must decide whether or not to be good Germans.
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But those things are reflected in polls. And the thing with Trump is that the polls are unanimous - folks can't stand him, really can't abide him. That many polls aren't wrong. It is a sign of cult worship that you'd conclude they must be.
The only way those poll numbers can change is if Trump changes his positions and persona. Maybe he can - he admitted (or rather his new top advisor admitted) the other day that it's all an act. We once elected an actor to the Presidency, but we elected him with the knowledge or trust that his convictions were sincere. Trump admits he's a chameleon, a scam artist, whose credo is exploitation not principle - just give the people the red meat they want.
History recounts dozens of such figures. Most of them were big trouble, and the people rued the freedoms that were jack-booted from them. In the rarest and perhaps most notorious cases, the people voted in their Strong Man by the voluntary casting of the ballot.
We all must decide whether or not to be good Germans.
[i]But those things are reflected in polls.[/i] Polls are a snap shot, not necessarily predictive. They should be used as a tool, but anyone who thinks they are destiny...especially at this stage before the conventions...doesn't know his political history.
The only way those poll numbers can change is if Trump changes his positions and persona. It IS true that a change in TONE can impact these poll numbers, as will a number of other factors that shape perceptions. Changing positions is the most unlikely factor in impacting the numbers...and would more likely prove detrimental as the change would be repeatedly pointed out by his opponent. Changing tone, good marketing, choosing a VP that softens his tough edges, and simply focusing on a positive campaign will quickly shift perceptions...because such perceptions are notoriously malleable pre-convention.
History recounts dozens of such figures. This is where you fall off the cliff of sound reasoning into the abyss of silly, non-applicable, historical fallacy. If you want genuine historical analogies...and there really are none...the closest you'd come is someone like Churchill or perhaps a Bismarck.
"Good Germans" Really? If anyone fits that mould, and they don't, it would be the Cruzites with their "litmus tests", condoning of unethical though technically allowed tactics like stealing delegates, and hard adherence to religious orthodoxies (they include folks who think Noah's Ark was real, that the world is 6000 or so years old, and that evolution is a devilish conspiracy).
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Wht arewe drinking too again? hic Another! :beer:
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But those things are reflected in polls. And the thing with Trump is that the polls are unanimous - folks can't stand him, really can't abide him. That many polls aren't wrong. It is a sign of cult worship that you'd conclude they must be.
The only way those poll numbers can change is if Trump changes his positions and persona. Maybe he can - he admitted (or rather his new top advisor admitted) the other day that it's all an act. We once elected an actor to the Presidency, but we elected him with the knowledge or trust that his convictions were sincere. Trump admits he's a chameleon, a scam artist, whose credo is exploitation not principle - just give the people the red meat they want.
History recounts dozens of such figures. Most of them were big trouble, and the people rued the freedoms that were jack-booted from them. In the rarest and perhaps most notorious cases, the people voted in their Strong Man by the voluntary casting of the ballot.
We all must decide whether or not to be good Germans.
We have YUGE! Problem then,as Cruz is hated almost as much as Trump!
I guess we will have to go with Romney/Ryan! They did a bang up job last time :silly:
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We have YUGE! Problem then,as Cruz is hated almost as much as Trump!
I guess we will have to go with Romney/Ryan! They did a bang up job last time :silly:
Folks hate Cruz because he's a stiff lawyer, a staunch conservative and a media caricature.
He'll never fare well in the soundbytes from Comedy Central, MSNBC or wherever.
Mano a (wo)Mano? He'll destroy Hillary on substance and her record and folks will vote for competence over royalty. I'm convinced of it.
I saw him look in the eye of that angry Iowa farmer who accused him of trying to ruin his family and business by withdrawing the Ethanol subsidy. Cruz was measured, firm, courteous and honest. That was the moment I said "I can support this guy!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6cUDscjrNg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6cUDscjrNg)
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Folks hate Cruz because he's a stiff lawyer, a staunch conservative and a media caricature.
He'll never fare well in the soundbytes from Comedy Central, MSNBC or wherever.
Mano a (wo)Mano? He'll destroy Hillary on substance and her record and folks will vote for competence over royalty. I'm convinced of it.
I saw him look in the eye of that angry Iowa farmer who accused him of trying to ruin his family and business by withdrawing the Ethanol subsidy. Cruz was measured, firm, courteous and honest. That was the moment I said "I can support this guy!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6cUDscjrNg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6cUDscjrNg)
AMEN! He's done it before in fact! :beer:
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AMEN! He's done it before in fact! :beer:
Hey Bigun!
Every time I see that vile charlatan Trump or one of his dismal minions pull out the "Lyin' Ted" bullshit I always re-watch this clip.
This is real. This guy came in accusing Cruz of destroying his life, family and economy and walked away understanding Ted's approach and appreciating his candor ... if not quite yet trusting him implicitly.
How can you not support a guy like Ted Cruz if you are in sync with Conservatism?
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Hey Bigun!
Every time I see that vile charlatan Trump or one of his dismal minions pull out the "Lyin' Ted" bullshit I always re-watch this clip.
This is real. This guy came in accusing Cruz of destroying his life, family and economy and walked away understanding Ted's approach and appreciating his candor ... if not quite yet trusting him implicitly.
How can you not support a guy like Ted Cruz if you are in sync with Conservatism?
Damned if I know! :shrug: :shrug:
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Damned if I know! :shrug: :shrug:
Dimwitted actress vs. Cruz:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6cUDscjrNg
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Courts ruling that boys can hop into the showers with 13 year old girls is a made up problem... lol.
Exactly. Does anyone want their daughter or granddaughter seeing some boy's wee wee while their showering in the locker room?
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We have YUGE! Problem then,as Cruz is hated almost as much as Trump!
I guess we will have to go with Romney/Ryan! They did a bang up job last time :silly:
I'm learning to dislike Cruz simply because he has so many vulgar and vile supporters. I believed he would make a great addition to the SCOTUS, but have wondered if he would ever be approved because of his alleged unpopularity with his peers.
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I'm learning to dislike Cruz simply because he has so many vulgar and vile supporters. I believed he would make a great addition to the SCOTUS, but have wondered if he would ever be approved because of his alleged unpopularity with his peers.
Did you read this on the caucus thread?
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,203109.0.html
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Did you read this on the caucus thread?
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,203109.0.html
Thank you for the forum!
I really do try to behave ....
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Thank you for the forum!
I really do try to behave ....
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lol what was that for?
you are good!
Iwas talking to alert abt an article he might like to read :patriot:
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Folks hate Cruz because he's a stiff lawyer, a staunch conservative and a media caricature.
He'll never fare well in the soundbytes from Comedy Central, MSNBC or wherever.
Mano a (wo)Mano? He'll destroy Hillary on substance and her record and folks will vote for competence over royalty. I'm convinced of it.
I saw him look in the eye of that angry Iowa farmer who accused him of trying to ruin his family and business by withdrawing the Ethanol subsidy. Cruz was measured, firm, courteous and honest. That was the moment I said "I can support this guy!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6cUDscjrNg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6cUDscjrNg)
Good post Arne. I couldn't agree more. :patriot:
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Good post Arne. I couldn't agree more. :patriot:
I'm not sure drawing a line in the sand over a $6b/year subsidy when we have a trillion dollar yearly deficit is the way to win an election. :shrug:
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I'm not sure drawing a line in the sand over a $6b/year subsidy when we have a trillion dollar yearly deficit is the way to win an election. :shrug:
Why start anywhere??? Especially when you can promise endless entitlements and win the support of ( :silly: ) conservatives.
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I'm not sure drawing a line in the sand over a $6b/year subsidy when we have a trillion dollar yearly deficit is the way to win an election. :shrug:
End all subsidies, every single one.
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Why start anywhere??? Especially when you can promise endless entitlements and win the support of ( :silly: ) conservatives.
Seems like a dumb stance to me. You disagree. Oh well.
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End all subsidies, every single one.
Yeah that's how you're going to win an election. Your posts are so silly they are awesome.
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Yeah that's how you're going to win an election. Your posts are so silly they are awesome.
Trump isn't going to win jack squat, perhaps besides the nomination. Are you pro-Kasich now? Thought you were a Trumpite?
I'm on Ted Cruz's side with subsidies. We need a leader who will do the right thing. Always do the right thing. I thought Cruz handled the entire thing very well.
Subsidies are actually the easiest thing to get rid of. They're a helluva lot easier to get rid of than entitlements. Media cannot "demagogue" the issue as most subsidies go to companies, not too individuals.
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We need to return to the days when the facitities were out back and they covered a hole in the ground. The door only had a crescent moon on it. In the winter, if you had to squat, you had the option of a skwerl skin lined tolet seat hanging on the inside wall abouve the Sears & Robuck catalog. In the summer, for ambience it will smell like the shithouse door on a tuna boat.
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Did you read this on the caucus thread?
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,203109.0.html
Since you posted this on the main forum, what is it you find noteworthy about that piece?
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Trump isn't going to win jack squat, perhaps besides the nomination. Are you pro-Kasich now? Thought you were a Trumpite?
I'm on Ted Cruz's side with subsidies. We need a leader who will do the right thing. Always do the right thing. I thought Cruz handled the entire thing very well.
Subsidies are actually the easiest thing to get rid of. They're a helluva lot easier to get rid of than entitlements. Media cannot "demagogue" the issue as most subsidies go to companies, not too individuals.
I'm not too sure. How far back do the sugar subsidies go...the 1930s? You should be right about the ease of killing off a subsidy. There are more than 2000 federal subsidies with almost every federal agency involve. It would be interesting to see a cutback, but one problem that exists is in many cases they are there because of federal regulations that prohibit or otherwise regulate an activity...thus the subsidy to help.
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How could a thread drift from transgender bathroom policies to subsidies?
Unless the subsidies people are talking about are for silicone inserts, hormone treatments, and waccadicoffomy operations.
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Folks hate Cruz because he's a stiff lawyer, a staunch conservative and a media caricature.
He'll never fare well in the soundbytes from Comedy Central, MSNBC or wherever.
Mano a (wo)Mano? He'll destroy Hillary on substance and her record and folks will vote for competence over royalty. I'm convinced of it.
I saw him look in the eye of that angry Iowa farmer who accused him of trying to ruin his family and business by withdrawing the Ethanol subsidy. Cruz was measured, firm, courteous and honest. That was the moment I said "I can support this guy!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6cUDscjrNg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6cUDscjrNg)
That is a man that is presidential. He knows what he is talking about and has solutions and experts to back up his positions. Not a blanket I will do this you can believe it kind of statement that Trump likes to use. Always with believe me, believe me. No answers and nothing to believe.
Great video of a real conversation with a real voter. A voter with real concerns about what affects him and his family and business. Cruz is the Man!
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How could a thread drift from transgender bathroom policies to subsidies?
Unless the subsidies people are talking about are for silicone inserts, hormone treatments, and waccadicoffomy operations.
The only topics that stay the course around here are the ones with no replies! :chairbang:
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How could a thread drift from transgender bathroom policies to subsidies?
Unless the subsidies people are talking about are for silicone inserts, hormone treatments, and waccadicoffomy operations.
Fair question. I think it was morphing into Cruz v Trump, and somehow subsidies came out the back end. Actually not a bad topic...at least for the right thread.
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How could a thread drift from transgender bathroom policies to subsidies?
Unless the subsidies people are talking about are for silicone inserts, hormone treatments, and waccadicoffomy operations.
Sorry it was a weak moment when I just had to say what an Awesome Man Cruz is. How he knows what he is talking about and has answers to issues that concern voters.
Back to freaks.
Trump has run on a platform against PC. What is more PC than saying we have to make these freaks feel comfortable about their confusion about what they were born as? Their confusion probably came from a culture of PC that is permeating our country and turning our children into socially engineered accepting idiots! And of course with Trumps universal healthcare you know that we will be paying for every woman that would like to stand up to pee. We will have to flip the bill to pay for surgery and lifelong hormone treatments because our social engineering education department told everyone to embrace whatever whacky idea you have about sex.
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So you are claiming there is no law against pissing on the sidewalk in NYC?
Effectively yes. I live here . The council/mayor has directed the police not to enforce.
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Effectively yes. I live here . The council/mayor has directed the police not to enforce.
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Sorry it was a weak moment when I just had to say what an Awesome Man Cruz is. How he knows what he is talking about and has answers to issues that concern voters.
Back to freaks.
Trump has run on a platform against PC. What is more PC than saying we have to make these freaks feel comfortable about their confusion about what they were born as? Their confusion probably came from a culture of PC that is permeating our country and turning our children into socially engineered accepting idiots! And of course with Trumps universal healthcare you know that we will be paying for every woman that would like to stand up to pee. We will have to flip the bill to pay for surgery and lifelong hormone treatments because our social engineering education department told everyone to embrace whatever whacky idea you have about sex.
I'm getting a vibe here, Chosen...so I have to ask.
Do you believe in the evoluition of species and that the earth is billions of years old?
In an indirect way, your answer could have great bearing on this discussion.
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Effectively yes. I live here . The council/mayor has directed the police not to enforce.
The council/mayor are elected, aren't they? I guess the voters must approve.
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I'm getting a vibe here, Chosen...so I have to ask.
Do you believe in the evoluition of species and that the earth is billions of years old?
In an indirect way, your answer could have great bearing on this discussion.
Your getting a vibe?
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Our children are being groomed....its what pedophiles do.
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Our children are being groomed....its what pedophiles do.
EXACTLY right! Welcome aboard!
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Your getting a vibe?
You have a stalker.
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You have a stalker.
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Our children are being groomed....its what pedophiles do.
I'm glad to hear someone else gets it. This is where it's all leading to.
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Your getting a vibe?
Yes, do you know what a vibe is?
An indication, a sense of something, a feeling that something just ain't right. And I noticed, you avoided the question at hand...why would that be?
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Yes, do you know what a vibe is?
An indication, a sense of something, a feeling that something just ain't right. And I noticed, you avoided the question at hand...why would that be?
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And I noticed, you avoided the question at hand...why would that be?
Maybe she rightly concluded she had no obligation to answer your off-topic irrelevant question.
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Yes, do you know what a vibe is?
An indication, a sense of something, a feeling that something just ain't right. And I noticed, you avoided the question at hand...why would that be?
You can pretend like you are feeling something. Try channeling you seem like the type. You could get on Oprah Winfrey. I am not giving vibes. I am telling the truth and you can't handle it.
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You can pretend like you are feeling something. Try channeling you seem like the type. You could get on Oprah Winfrey. I am not giving vibes. I am telling the truth and you can't handle it.
Yet your concealing the answer to the question I asked. Your answer will certainly be a good gage of your credibility. As for telling the truth, I have no doubt your telling what you believe to to be the truth. Its not your veracity I'm inquiring about, its your credibility on complex issues. As for me...open book, ask anything and I will provide a full and candid answer. It seems my vibe may have been on target.
As for channeling, I'm just not into the New Age stuff. I'm old school, Stoic approach to rational thinking...be skeptical and analytical towards all things.
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Yet your concealing the answer to the question I asked. Your answer will certainly be a good gage of your credibility. As for telling the truth, I have no doubt your telling what you believe to to be the truth. Its not your veracity I'm inquiring about, its your credibility on complex issues. As for me...open book, ask anything and I will provide a full and candid answer. It seems my vibe may have been on target.
As for channeling, I'm just not into the New Age stuff. I'm old school, Stoic approach to rational thinking...be skeptical and analytical towards all things.
Here you go.
We need hope. Ultimately my hope is in the Lord Jesus Christ. No matter what happens in this election. Hope lives in me. I believe that is the same for Ted Cruz.
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Maybe she rightly concluded she had no obligation to answer your off-topic irrelevant question.
I agree, she has no obligation. The answer is on topic as it goes directly to credibility...as to whether someone is blinded by religious orthodoxy regarding social issue...so while there's no obligation, the inability to answer such a simple query speaks volumes about the believability of the person in question. Whereas, a simple answer makes the simple point.
But as you say, its a choice. Of course, that's true of every discussion and every question.
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I'm glad to hear someone else gets it. This is where it's all leading to.
it's so obvious from a Mom point of view...
suddenly, everyone jumps on the transvestite bandwagon, pretending that, of course, everyone will behave when there are kiddies around.
have you seen their public parades?
the 'good' ones have been using the ladies rooms for years....its the pervs that are being given access now.
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I agree, she has no obligation. The answer is on topic as it goes directly to credibility...as to whether someone is blinded by religious orthodoxy regarding social issue...so while there's no obligation, the inability to answer such a simple query speaks volumes about the believability of the person in question. Whereas, a simple answer makes the simple point.
But as you say, its a choice. Of course, that's true of every discussion and every question.
"blinded by religious orthodoxy regarding social issue"? Hopefully you're not trying to say something about clueless religious bigots? Since, many of us tend to believe that there is wisdom and truth in our religious beliefs.
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"blinded by religious orthodoxy regarding social issue"? Hopefully you're not trying to say something about clueless religious bigots? Since, many of us tend to believe that there is wisdom and truth in our religious beliefs.
I'd venture we ALL believe that, as there IS some wisdom and truth in nearly every religious perspective. Yet, there are also those of us who are blinded by their orthodoxy, believing absurd things such as the earth being thousands of years old...that Noah's Ark is more than a metaphor...and that individuals in the past lived for hundreds of years. So faith without reason is the issue, rather than reasoned faith. This isn't about labeling or bigotry, its about the use of rationality and common sense on political issues that touch on religious morality.
Not all of us are Christian, myself for example, and the adherence to such single minded irrationality stemming from religious perspective can effect people of any faith...as we've seen with radical Islam. In other words, its not about a specific religion, its about whether one's religious beliefs supplant rationality and impose a duty to believe in things that are; harmful to others and/or contrary to basic reason.
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"blinded by religious orthodoxy regarding social issue"? Hopefully you're not trying to say something about clueless religious bigots? Since, many of us tend to believe that there is wisdom and truth in our religious beliefs.
LOL!
My take was that he was doing, in another way, what I posted the other day.
Social Conservatives...especially the ones with moral superiority complexes...show up every FOUR years with the same litmus test (according to their religious beliefs) of candidates.
If their guy loses, instead of becoming a team player, want to pack their stuff and go home.
"Wisdom and truth" aside, anybody who thinks the earth isn't more than 6,000 years old is a moron and not worthy of interacting on the topic.
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LOL!
My take was that he was doing, in another way, what I posted the other day.
Social Conservatives...especially the ones with moral superiority complexes...show up every FOUR years with the same litmus test (according to their religious beliefs) of candidates.
If their guy loses, instead of becoming a team player, want to pack their stuff and go home.
"Wisdom and truth" aside, anybody who thinks the earth isn't more than 6,000 years old is a moron and not worthy of interacting on the topic.
Interestingly only 19% believe in pure evolution. The rest are split between evolution with God's hand or creation as we exist today. Probably one reason to stay off the evolution debate threads. I personally believe in evolution but cannot determine if it was with God's hand or not. Still...something had to get that whole big bang thing started, and I'm not about to start insulting 40% of the population. :whistle: In any case, I don't see the issue of this thread as one of belonging just to social conservatives. I've given my reasons a couple of times above and stand by them.
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Interestingly only 19% believe in pure evolution. The rest are split between evolution with God's hand or creation as we exist today. Probably one reason to stay off the evolution debate threads. I personally believe in evolution but cannot determine if it was with God's hand or not. Still...something had to get that whole big bang thing started, and I'm not about to start insulting 40% of the population. :whistle: In any case, I don't see the issue of this thread as one of belonging just to social conservatives. I've given my reasons a couple of times above and stand by them.
For the exact reasons you express, purposely didn't address "evolution" in my reply to which you're referring.
Was strictly limiting my thoughts to the age of this rock called Earth. :laugh:
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Interestingly only 19% believe in pure evolution. The rest are split between evolution with God's hand or creation as we exist today. Probably one reason to stay off the evolution debate threads. I personally believe in evolution but cannot determine if it was with God's hand or not. Still...something had to get that whole big bang thing started, and I'm not about to start insulting 40% of the population. :whistle: In any case, I don't see the issue of this thread as one of belonging just to social conservatives. I've given my reasons a couple of times above and stand by them.
Accepting evolution over billions of years as being god's hand is not contrary to basic reasoning, though it is clearly unprovable. Personally, I also believe that creation cannot be distinguished from Creator, and so it goes without saying that the two are entwined. This is not what I'm arguing against. What I'm arguing against is the thought process that asserts the world's age is measured in the thousands and that a boat once held two of every animal during a world wide flood. Beliefs that are provably absurd in scientific terms. So what you've laid out above are two very different things, one rational and coherent and the other...not.
As for what percentage of persons believe what, that's irrelevant in a discussion of rationality. The intent here is not to debate anyone's religious choice, but to differentiate how various religious views impact the application of reason on modern political issues...and to decry the litmus tests that so many Cruzians want to apply on specific issues.
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LOL!
My take was that he was doing, in another way, what I posted the other day.
Social Conservatives...especially the ones with moral superiority complexes...show up every FOUR years with the same litmus test (according to their religious beliefs) of candidates.
If their guy loses, instead of becoming a team player, want to pack their stuff and go home.
"Wisdom and truth" aside, anybody who thinks the earth isn't more than 6,000 years old is a moron and not worthy of interacting on the topic.
Nope, wrong on all counts, at least as it applies to me.
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I'd venture we ALL believe that, as there IS some wisdom and truth in nearly every religious perspective. Yet, there are also those of us who are blinded by their orthodoxy, believing absurd things such as the earth being thousands of years old...that Noah's Ark is more than a metaphor...and that individuals in the past lived for hundreds of years. So faith without reason is the issue, rather than reasoned faith. This isn't about labeling or bigotry, its about the use of rationality and common sense on political issues that touch on religious morality.
Not all of us are Christian, myself for example, and the adherence to such single minded irrationality stemming from religious perspective can effect people of any faith...as we've seen with radical Islam. In other words, its not about a specific religion, its about whether one's religious beliefs supplant rationality and impose a duty to believe in things that are; harmful to others and/or contrary to basic reason.
No, for instance, I don't think there's any wisdom or truth to islam, or any that is was appropriated from Judaism and/or Christianity.
And, yes, I got that you aren't a Christian, hence my comment about your not-so-veiled disdain.
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it's so obvious from a Mom point of view...
suddenly, everyone jumps on the transvestite bandwagon, pretending that, of course, everyone will behave when there are kiddies around.
have you seen their public parades?
the 'good' ones have been using the ladies rooms for years....its the pervs that are being given access now.
It is SUCH a good point to bring up those public parades!
The idea that this kind of perversion will be on its best behavior in a bathroom with little kids is pie in the sky stupid!
btw, WELCOME, oldmomster! :patriot:
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For the exact reasons you express, purposely didn't address "evolu :shrug:. :laugh:
I understand. The 40% I referred comes from Gallup and refers to belief that the earth and humanity as it exists today was created within the last 10 thousand years. In matters of faith, logic and science aren't going to win. I went to Catholic schools in the 1940s and never recall the nuns teaching that evolution was inconsistent with the teachings of the Church. But apparently polling shows a lot of people do. But back to the transgender issue... :laugh:
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It is SUCH a good point to bring up those public parades!
The idea that this kind of perversion will be on its best behavior in a bathroom with little kids is pie in the sky stupid!
btw, WELCOME, oldmomster! :patriot:
Nice to be so warmly welcomed! Glad I found you!
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Nice to be so warmly welcomed! Glad I found you!
Glad you found us too!
We're not perfect, and there are spats now and again, but this is a great place to be!
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No, for instance, I don't think there's any wisdom or truth to islam, or any that is was appropriated from Judaism and/or Christianity.
And, yes, I got that you aren't a Christian, hence my comment about your not-so-veiled disdain.
Islam teaches giving selflessly to the poor. Is that not wisdom? So obviously, there IS some wisdom and truth...a fact which does not change the brutality and savagery it also condones (for the record, the bible does no less...ordering the death of children in Heshbon, Sodom, Gomorrah and Jericho...not to mention across the globe in a deliberate flood).
As for disdain, I have none for Christianity, nor Islam, nor Judaism. They all point towards the improving of human nature, when read in a reasonable light, but they are all easy tools for those who would misuse their tenets. My disdain is reserved ONLY for the absurd interpretations that are often made by the followers of said religions. Mark Twain was a man who truly understood the nature of religion, and his insight applies to Christianity as it does to all religion. Thomas Jefferson went straight to the cogent point:
"I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man." From the Jefferson Memorial Monument in Washington, DC.
Most people think he was referring to George III. Instead, he was responding to attacks made on him in pamphlets distributed by clergy in Philadelphia during the presidential election of 1800. These pamphlets accused Jefferson of being unfit to become President because he did not hold Christian beliefs.
Twain has one of the best quotes I know of regarding the bible and how it is so easily adapted for misuse:
The Christian Bible is a drug store. Its contents remain the same; but the medical practice changes.
None of the above is an attack on Christianity per se, it is simply to assert that it is...like all religion. And as such, it is a ready tool for those who would use it for politics or for personal gain.
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That's terrific. Thanks. :beer:
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Islam teaches giving selflessly to the poor. Is that not wisdom? So obviously, there IS some wisdom and truth...a fact which does not change the brutality and savagery it also condones (for the record, the bible does no less...ordering the death of children in Heshbon, Sodom, Gomorrah and Jericho...not to mention across the globe in a deliberate flood).
As I said: "any that is was appropriated from Judaism and/or Christianity". Yes, there is brutality and savagery in the Bible as it reflects the world in which it was formed.
As for disdain, I have none for Christianity, nor Islam, nor Judaism. They all point towards the improving of human nature, when read in a reasonable light, but they are all easy tools for those who would misuse their tenets. My disdain is reserved ONLY for the absurd interpretations that are often made by the followers of said religions. Mark Twain was a man who truly understood the nature of religion, and his insight applies to Christianity as it does to all religion. Thomas Jefferson went straight to the cogent point:
"I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man." From the Jefferson Memorial Monument in Washington, DC.
Most people think he was referring to George III. Instead, he was responding to attacks made on him in pamphlets distributed by clergy in Philadelphia during the presidential election of 1800. These pamphlets accused Jefferson of being unfit to become President because he did not hold Christian beliefs.
Twain has one of the best quotes I know of regarding the bible and how it is so easily adapted for misuse:
The Christian Bible is a drug store. Its contents remain the same; but the medical practice changes.
None of the above is an attack on Christianity per se, it is simply to assert that it is...like all religion. And as such, it is a ready tool for those who would use it for politics or for personal gain.
I stand corrected; your disdain is for Christians, not Christianity per se.
Oddly enough, I'm not knocking you, I have a lot of reservations about some of the practices of religion. Many people have used religion, of every sort, as tools.
But, I have much more admiration for those who are trying to follow the narrow path than those who don't. And, I do not admire the laziness of thought that allows one to broadly paint all practicing followers of Christianity (because that really is what the religion we are discussing here) as dogmatic ideologues or "socons".
We'll just have to disagree here, but I do appreciate better understanding where you are coming from.
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As I said: "any that is was appropriated from Judaism and/or Christianity". Yes, there is brutality and savagery in the Bible as it reflects the world in which it was formed.
I stand corrected; your disdain is for Christians, not Christianity per se.
Oddly enough, I'm not knocking you, I have a lot of reservations about some of the practices of religion. Many people have used religion, of every sort, as tools.
But, I have much more admiration for those who are trying to follow the narrow path than those who don't. And, I do not admire the laziness of thought that allows one to broadly paint all practicing followers of Christianity (because that really is what the religion we are discussing here) as dogmatic ideologues or "socons".
We'll just have to disagree here, but I do appreciate better understanding where you are coming from.
And Christianity took its tenants from religious and philosophical views that preceded...Christian sophists have drawn their arguments from ancient Greek philosophy for 2000 years, Plato being a favorite. So its more accurate to say that Christianity, Judaism and Islam all draw from belief systems which preceded them in time...drawing from Sumerian and Egyptian thought (right down to Messiah's and Virgin Births, etcetera).
As for knocking ALL Christians, that's absurd. I've done no such thing, and I'm not sure why you feel the need to build such an obvious Straw Man. I was very specific as to the type of believer I was referring to, and its obvious that does not include "all" or even most Christians. That said, I "knock" people of any faith who elevate their beliefs above reason and common sense...while that is a subjective assessment, no doubt, I'd say thinking the world to be 6000 years old or that two of every animal got on a boat and then propigated the planet qualifies. I consider god to be the epitome of a rational being who would expect no less from those made from the same "homoiousious".
Which goes to the root of my original question .... the answer to which can discern the rationality of the poster in question.
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Nice to be so warmly welcomed! Glad I found you!
BTW...good work on that Avatar thing we discussed ! :beer:
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And Christianity took its tenants from religious and philosophical views that preceded...Christian sophists have drawn their arguments from ancient Greek philosophy for 2000 years, Plato being a favorite. So its more accurate to say that Christianity, Judaism and Islam all draw from belief systems which preceded them in time...drawing from Sumerian and Egyptian thought (right down to Messiah's and Virgin Births, etcetera).
As for knocking ALL Christians, that's absurd. I've done no such thing, and I'm not sure why you feel the need to build such an obvious Straw Man. I was very specific as to the type of believer I was referring to, and its obvious that does not include "all" or even most Christians. That said, I "knock" people of any faith who elevate their beliefs above reason and common sense...while that is a subjective assessment, no doubt, I'd say thinking the world to be 6000 years old or that two of every animal got on a boat and then propigated the planet qualifies. I consider god to be the epitome of a rational being who would expect no less from those made from the same "homoiousious".
Which goes to the root of my original question .... the answer to which can discern the rationality of the poster in question.
Mesaclone!
You prove me right every day, as evidenced by the quality of your debate and the degree of intelligence between your ears.
And LOVE being able to say, "See? I told you so!" :beer:
You're a true asset to the forum, sir.
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And Christianity took its tenants from religious and philosophical views that preceded...Christian sophists have drawn their arguments from ancient Greek philosophy for 2000 years, Plato being a favorite. So its more accurate to say that Christianity, Judaism and Islam all draw from belief systems which preceded them in time...drawing from Sumerian and Egyptian thought (right down to Messiah's and Virgin Births, etcetera).
As for knocking ALL Christians, that's absurd. I've done no such thing, and I'm not sure why you feel the need to build such an obvious Straw Man. I was very specific as to the type of believer I was referring to, and its obvious that does not include "all" or even most Christians. That said, I "knock" people of any faith who elevate their beliefs above reason and common sense...while that is a subjective assessment, no doubt, I'd say thinking the world to be 6000 years old or that two of every animal got on a boat and then propigated the planet qualifies. I consider god to be the epitome of a rational being who would expect no less from those made from the same "homoiousious".
Which goes to the root of my original question .... the answer to which can discern the rationality of the poster in question.
I get it. But the fact still remains that if the polls can be believed, a fairly large part of the population believes in creationism not either intelligent design or scientific evolution. So I don't think in matters of faith, discussing scientific rationality is a productive endeavor. Besides, this thread is about public bathrooms and proper gender etiquette. Probably why the owners wanted to stay away from religious issues., lol.
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BTW...good work on that Avatar thing we discussed ! :beer:
Thanks! easy choice when hubby is the John Wayne type :patriot:
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Yeah that's how you're going to win an election. Your posts are so silly they are awesome.
I would rather lose than become a leftist.
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Come on, man.
**nononono*
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I get it. But the fact still remains that if the polls can be believed, a fairly large part of the population believes in creationism not either intelligent design or scientific evolution. So I don't think in matters of faith, discussing scientific rationality is a productive endeavor. Besides, this thread is about public bathrooms and proper gender etiquette. Probably why the owners wanted to stay away from religious issues., lol.
Creationism defined as what? That the earth was created 6000 years ago? I can't tell you how many people I've talked religion with in my life, and I've only met two who believed that nonsense, and one later rescinded that absurd belief.
There is no way 40% of the US population believes the Genesis version of creationism. Not a chance.
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He is an as*hole. I do not understand your bromance with the guy?
These anti-Trumps sure set a low bar, don't they?
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I would rather lose than become a leftist.
RomneyCare wasn't leftist?
Anyhow, this loser mentality is exactly why we have had 8 years of Obama, and at least 4 more of the Clintons.
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Come on, man.
**nononono*
Sorry, DC.. can't do it. The boy is socially unacceptable.
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Sorry, DC.. can't do it. The boy is socially unacceptable.
One may show disdain for someone without insulting them overtly.
Attempt it.
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Creationism defined as what? That the earth was created 6000 years ago? I can't tell you how many people I've talked religion with in my life, and I've only met two who believed that nonsense, and one later rescinded that absurd belief.
There is no way 40% of the US population believes the Genesis version of creationism. Not a chance.
You may be right, but Gallup has been conducting this for years, and defines is as created within 10,000 years, as opposed to intelligent design which, though set in motion by a "creator" nevertheless relies on the evolutionary process. Interestingly only about 20 percent believed in pure evolution. I'm not sure what Gallup would have in mind by making something like that up.
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You may be right, but Gallup has been conducting this for years, and defines is as created within 10,000 years, as opposed to intelligent design which, though set in motion by a "creator" nevertheless relies on the evolutionary process. Interestingly only about 20 percent believed in pure evolution. I'm not sure what Gallup would have in mind by making something like that up.
I have no idea. Maybe they only polled within a mile of Fundamentalist Christian churches.
I subscribe to intelligent design, fwiw, but don't really know where that intelligence comes from, so I'm basically agnostic but follow the rules set forth in the Ten Commandments because they reflect common sense. I don't judge other who break some of those, though. Not my place.
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I have no idea. Maybe they only polled within a mile of Fundamentalist Christian churches.
I subscribe to intelligent design, fwiw, but don't really know where that intelligence comes from, so I'm basically agnostic but follow the rules set forth in the Ten Commandments because they reflect common sense. I don't judge other who break some of those, though. Not my place.
It's the only poll I've seen that stays relatively the same year after year. Anyway, as I mentioned up-thread I gave up trying to figure out how the big bang was initiated, so I doubt anyone knows. If so, they haven't told me.
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Mesaclone!
You prove me right every day, as evidenced by the quality of your debate and the degree of intelligence between your ears.
And LOVE being able to say, "See? I told you so!" :beer:
You're a true asset to the forum, sir.
Again, you are too kind. Theology is something I find endlessly fascinating.
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It's the only poll I've seen that stays relatively the same year after year. Anyway, as I mentioned up-thread I gave up trying to figure out how the big bang was initiated, so I doubt anyone knows. If so, they haven't told me.
I'll give you 10 to 1 that it started when someone said "Hold my beer and watch this." :tongue2: