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General Category => Elections 2024 => Topic started by: Timber Rattler on February 22, 2023, 01:16:13 pm
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https://www.newsweek.com/trumps-praise-desantis-democratic-opponent-rankles-maga-world-1782860
Former President Donald Trump on Tuesday criticized Republican Governor Ron DeSantis of Florida, but a compliment he paid to a Democrat in a message about DeSantis upset some of his supporters.
In two posts on his Truth Social platform, Trump railed about the coverage DeSantis recently received on Fox News during the former president's recent trip to New York City. One of the messages included an aside about Charlie Crist, who ran on the Democratic ticket against DeSantis in Florida's gubernatorial race last year.
"Florida was doing GREAT long before Ron DeSanctus got there. People are fleeing from New York to Florida (and other places) because of high TAXES and out of control CRIME, not because of Governor (thank you President Trump!) DeSanctimonious. Rick Scott did great, and even Charlie Crist had very good numbers. SUNSHINE AND OCEAN, very alluring!!!" Trump wrote.
To steal another poster's quote at TOS:
"He has become the pigeon playing chess in the park.....
Lands on the board, struts around, kicks over all the pieces, craps on the board then flies away very impressed with itself while leaving the game unwinnable for the players....."
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https://www.newsweek.com/trumps-praise-desantis-democratic-opponent-rankles-maga-world-1782860
To steal another poster's quote at TOS:
"He has become the pigeon playing chess in the park.....
Lands on the board, struts around, kicks over all the pieces, craps on the board then flies away very impressed with itself while leaving the game unwinnable for the players....."
My bold prediction
DeSantis chooses not to run in 2024, but in 2028. Donald Trump gets the 2024 nomination but loses the general election
There are too many factions of the GOP running for the 2024 nomination to defeat Biden in 2024.
Running a slew of different candidates just to make sure that Trump does not get the nomination does not bode well for the GOP‘s presidential prospects
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DeSantis is living rent free in Trump's head.
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My bold prediction
DeSantis chooses not to run in 2024, but in 2028. Donald Trump gets the 2024 nomination but loses the general election
There are too many factions of the GOP running for the 2024 nomination to defeat Biden in 2024.
Running a slew of different candidates just to make sure that Trump does not get the nomination does not bode well for the GOP‘s presidential prospects
:thumbsup:
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I'll give Trump credit, he will ride stupid all the way to the scene of the fatal crash.
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I think DeSantis is going to run. There won't be a huge field like in 2016, and I think there will be a lot of pressure on candidate in third place or below to drop out quickly.
I think DeSantis would end up beating Trump, but a lot of Trump's supporters will sit home in the general election. DeSantis might still wi, though.
I just see no path for Trump to win the general election.
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I think DeSantis is going to run. There won't be a huge field like in 2016, and I think there will be a lot of pressure on candidate in third place or below to drop out quickly.
I think DeSantis would end up beating Trump, but a lot of Trump's supporters will sit home in the general election. DeSantis might still wi, though.
I just see no path for Trump to win the general election.
Trump sucks the oxygen out of every room he’s in and I don’t think DeSantis wants to deal with that and get into a fight with Donald Trump. It might just be then Donald Trump gets the nomination for 2024 and we’ll have to put up with another four years of Joe Biden and hope our shot comes in 2028.
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I disagree
Trump sucks the oxygen out of every room he’s in and I don’t think DeSantis wants to deal with that and get into a fight with Donald Trump. It might just be then Donald Trump gets the nomination for 2024 and we’ll have to put up with another four years of Joe Biden and hope our shot comes in 2028.
You may well be right.
Thing is, that aspect of Trump's personality/character has been obvious to everyone for years, and that includes DeSantis. So why even permit any speculation at all instead of disclaiming any intention to run? He could take the issue completely off the table, and likely help whomever else might be running against Trump. Just announce "I am not running for President in 2024." He could and should have done that months ago if that actually is how he thought.
I dunno - in terms of personality, DeSantis does not seem like the kind of guy to shy away from a fight. I think he'll run.
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DeSantis needs to give the GOP a wide berth until they are serious about winning the election. Donald's "Truth Social" posts are the rantings of a madman. It's just one deranged, illiterate spew after another. Does it matter? No. Half of the party is drowning in a morass of anger and despair. If DeSantis wins, Trump will claim the nomination was rigged, and these sad people will eat it up.
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Running a slew of different candidates just to make sure that Trump does not get the nomination does not bode well for the GOP‘s presidential prospects
Running a slew of candidates works to Trump's advantage. He won the 2016 nomination with maybe one-third of the vote. If the GOP was smart (which they are not), they would do everything in their power to get behind one candidate and persuade all others to bow out.
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To steal another poster's quote at TOS:
"He has become the pigeon playing chess in the park.....
Lands on the board, struts around, kicks over all the pieces, craps on the board then flies away very impressed with itself while leaving the game unwinnable for the players....."
Kudos to whomever said that.
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Kudos to whomever said that.
And I am guessing managment will be warming up the viking kitty zotters in 4...3...2...1....
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DeSantis needs to give the GOP a wide berth until they are serious about winning the election. Donald's "Truth Social" posts are the rantings of a madman. It's just one deranged, illiterate spew after another. Does it matter? No. Half of the party is drowning in a morass of anger and despair. If DeSantis wins, Trump will claim the nomination was rigged, and these sad people will eat it up.
Does anyone know anyone who set up an account at his silly Social Network?
I get enough parodical comedy from Babylon Bee and South Park to suit my needs.
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I think DeSantis is going to run. There won't be a huge field like in 2016, and I think there will be a lot of pressure on candidate in third place or below to drop out quickly.
I think DeSantis would end up beating Trump, but a lot of Trump's supporters will sit home in the general election. DeSantis might still wi, though.
I just see no path for Trump to win the general election.
I agree, except for the fact that I am 80-90% sure that if DJT loses the nomination, his massive ego will take him onto a 3rd Party run.
Under that scenario, the dims win easily in '24. And we'll have to thank DJT for that result.
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My bold prediction
DeSantis chooses not to run in 2024, but in 2028. Donald Trump gets the 2024 nomination but loses the general election
There are too many factions of the GOP running for the 2024 nomination to defeat Biden in 2024.
Running a slew of different candidates just to make sure that Trump does not get the nomination does not bode well for the GOP‘s presidential prospects
We seem to forget but his lovely wife had a terrible cancer health scare a year or 2 ago. That could definitely impact his POTUS plans.
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We seem to forget but his lovely wife had a terrible cancer health scare a year or 2 ago. That could definitely impact his POTUS plans.
And DeSantis probably doesn’t want to have unflattering pictures of his wife put out there, courtesy of Donald Trump, for the entertainment of his supporters
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Trump's "loyalty" is a one-way dead end street. Trump is out for Trump; he'll be a Republican until the GOP is no longer of any use to him.
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DeSantis needs to give the GOP a wide berth until they are serious about winning the election. Donald's "Truth Social" posts are the rantings of a madman. It's just one deranged, illiterate spew after another. Does it matter? No. Half of the party is drowning in a morass of anger and despair. If DeSantis wins, Trump will claim the nomination was rigged, and these sad people will eat it up.
:thumbsup:
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DeSantis needs to give the GOP a wide berth until they are serious about winning the election. Donald's "Truth Social" posts are the rantings of a madman. It's just one deranged, illiterate spew after another. Does it matter? No. Half of the party is drowning in a morass of anger and despair. If DeSantis wins, Trump will claim the nomination was rigged, and these sad people will eat it up.
You're very close to stumbling onto the real battle taking place @cato potatoe ---- Want some help?
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I dunno - in terms of personality, DeSantis does not seem like the kind of guy to shy away from a fight. I think he'll run.
First he needs his loser cushion in place ..... (Imagine if Florida's democrat governor wanted to change the law so he could run for president and keep his day job.)
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He's also praising North Korea's Li'l Kim.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FplY1bmXwAE7Huz?format=jpg&name=small)
Interpretations welcomed.
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You're very close to stumbling onto the real battle taking place @cato potatoe ---- Want some help?
No thanks. When I learned our governor was endorsed by George Soros, not gonna lie, it broke me.
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No thanks. When I learned our governor was endorsed by George Soros, not gonna lie, it broke me.
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Is there a law in Florida that prevents him from running for POTUS while governor?
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Check out Donald's account from around 9pm last evening. He posted it there for everyone, right before he told us how well his NFT sales were going.
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George Soros did not endorse Ron DeSantis. Good grief.
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Is there a law in Florida that prevents him from running for POTUS while governor?
Florida currently has a law requiring state officeholders to resign their positions if they run for federal office. DeSantis is working with his super majority to repeal this law.
@LMAO
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Trump Amplifies False Rumor George Soros 'Endorsed' Ron DeSantis (https://www.newsweek.com/trump-amplifies-false-rumor-george-soros-endorsed-ron-desantis-1782887?amp=1)
Fake news.
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Check out Donald's account from around 9pm last evening. He posted it there for everyone, right before he told us how well his NFT sales were going.
You mean this post: https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/109905563734550049
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IMHO, attacking DeSantis was an unforced error from the git-go. DeSantis had indicated he was not interested in running, Trump could have just run and left it. Now, imho, Trump is coming off as an ass, DeSantis is considering a run, and for all practical purposes, 2024 is a sh*tshow before it starts.
Cui bono? The Democrats.
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IMHO, attacking DeSantis was an unforced error from the git-go. DeSantis had indicated he was not interested in running, Trump could have just run and left it. Now, imho, Trump is coming off as an ass, DeSantis is considering a run, and for all practical purposes, 2024 is a sh*tshow before it starts.
Cui bono? The Democrats.
:thumbsup:
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IMHO, attacking DeSantis was an unforced error from the git-go. DeSantis had indicated he was not interested in running, Trump could have just run and left it. Now, imho, Trump is coming off as an ass, DeSantis is considering a run, and for all practical purposes, 2024 is a sh*tshow before it starts.
Cui bono? The Democrats.
Exactly!
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Exactly!
I was checking the Trump-DeSantis polls at Real Clear, and was shocked how much variability there was in the size of Trump's lead. Take your pick.... Anywhere from 5-20%.
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IMHO, attacking DeSantis was an unforced error from the git-go. DeSantis had indicated he was not interested in running, Trump could have just run and left it. Now, imho, Trump is coming off as an ass, DeSantis is considering a run, and for all practical purposes, 2024 is a sh*tshow before it starts.
Cui bono? The Democrats.
@Smokin Joe
Trump IS an ass.
So what? We NEED a president that is an ass in order to reverse the way the US is going.
If you keep running the same "Party People",and they ARE all the same,you will just get the same results.
We need a President that doesn't give a squat about anything other than the survival of the United States as an independent nation,and how he gets written about in the history books.
4 years of Trump in order set the stage in place,and then 8 years of DeSantis for cleanup is what we need.
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@Smokin Joe
Trump IS an ass.
So what? We NEED a president that is an ass in order to reverse the way the US is going.
If you keep running the same "Party People",and they ARE all the same,you will just get the same results.
We need a President that doesn't give a squat about anything other than the survival of the United States as an independent nation,and how he gets written about in the history books.
4 years of Trump in order set the stage in place,and then 8 years of DeSantis for cleanup is what we need.
My wife shares that POV, and we keep getting hung up on the electiability issue.
The cabal of MSM, Big Tech, and the big money that backs them will do everything and anything they can do to destroy DJT.
Outside something revolutionary, this is a solutionless problem. There are too many powerful elements in the swamp who will make sure he doesn't make a return. Look at the last 2 years, he's gone, and they are still obsessed.
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@Smokin Joe
Trump IS an ass.
So what? We NEED a president that is an ass in order to reverse the way the US is going.
If you keep running the same "Party People",and they ARE all the same,you will just get the same results.
We need a President that doesn't give a squat about anything other than the survival of the United States as an independent nation,and how he gets written about in the history books.
4 years of Trump in order set the stage in place,and then 8 years of DeSantis for cleanup is what we need.
WHile I agree wholeheartedly, the one shooting that idea down in flames is Trump, himself.
If he would back TF off DeSantis, and not engage in the sort of character/image assassination he pulled on Cruz in 2016, then this could work, to the benefit of the Republic, but instead he is busy leveling broadsides at DeSantis who had indicated he DID NOT want to run.
Big guns are one thing, loose cannons are another.
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I was checking the Trump-DeSantis polls at Real Clear, and was shocked how much variability there was in the size of Trump's lead. Take your pick.... Anywhere from 5-20%.
Given that this way too early for most people to be paying attention and the fact that DeSantis hasn't declared yet, I think I'll wait to get real excited about either of them.
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WHile I agree wholeheartedly, the one shooting that idea down in flames is Trump, himself.
If he would back TF off DeSantis, and not engage in the sort of character/image assassination he pulled on Cruz in 2016, then this could work, to the benefit of the Republic, but instead he is busy leveling broadsides at DeSantis who had indicated he DID NOT want to run.
Big guns are one thing, loose cannons are another.
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All Trump is doing right now is driving off possible support.
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Well, it appears he won't be able to run in 2028 anyways so it looks like 4 more years of Biden.
Unless someone pops up until then ,that is
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Well, it appears he won't be able to run in 2026 anyways so it looks like 4 more years of Biden.
Unless someone pops up until then ,that is
Who's that?
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Who's that?
DeSantis
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DeSantis
So he's barred by Florida law from running for U.S. President while he's still governor of Florida?
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So he's barred by Florida law from running for U.S. President while he's still governor of Florida?
Unless I misunderstood RIV, it sounds like he would have to resign his current job should he run
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My wife shares that POV, and we keep getting hung up on the electiability issue.
The cabal of MSM, Big Tech, and the big money that backs them will do everything and anything they can do to destroy DJT.
Outside something revolutionary, this is a solutionless problem. There are too many powerful elements in the swamp who will make sure he doesn't make a return. Look at the last 2 years, he's gone, and they are still obsessed.
@catfish1957
That just highlights how afraid of him the "Party for Profit People" really are.
They just can't stand the thought of anyone being elected President that doesn't owe them anything.
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Unless I misunderstood RIV, it sounds like he would have to resign his current job should he run
Apparently, Fla. has a so-called "resign to run" law which requires state office holders to resign their current position if they decide to run for another.
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Unless I misunderstood RIV, it sounds like he would have to resign his current job should he run
The legislature will probably change the statute before it adjourns in May.
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WHile I agree wholeheartedly, the one shooting that idea down in flames is Trump, himself.
If he would back TF off DeSantis,
@Smokin Joe
I am in complete agreement on that one,even though I honestly don't know what DeSantis said or did to set him off.
and not engage in the sort of character/image assassination he pulled on Cruz in 2016, this could work, to the benefit of the Republic, .....
And complete disagreement on that one. I think Cruz has finally shown his true colors,and any conservative that still supports him is either ignorant or a fool. Cruz plays the "I am a conservative" game because that's what he has to do in order to get re-elected in his district,but he is OWNED by the left due to his homosexuality and most likely other things even more damaging.
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DeSantis
@LMAO
Why won't he be able to run if he wants to run?
BTW,I sincerely hope he doesn't unless it is as Trumps VP running mate.
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@sneakypete Whatever your opinion of Cruz, going after DeSantis that way will only polarize the GOP further and cost him votes. Not only that, the opposition research for a DeSantis run will all be done and laid out for the Dems when/if the time comes.
At some point, some cooperation with worthy folks would be nice. If he wants to set up the spike (as in volleyball), there has to be someone to set it up to.
What needs fixing isn't going to be fixed in 4 years, even with a willing Congress. It will take twelve to root out that crap and stop the damage and set things on the right track, and three terms in the White House is about as good as the GOP has had it in recent history (and that's if you count 'daddy' Bush).
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Make America Great Again? If that is the goal, then we shouldn’t be attempting to mortally wound people like DeSantis politically. Surely we will needs the likes of him in 2028 and beyond.
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@sneakypete Whatever your opinion of Cruz, going after DeSantis that way will only polarize the GOP further and cost him votes. Not only that, the opposition research for a DeSantis run will all be done and laid out for the Dems when/if the time comes.
At some point, some cooperation with worthy folks would be nice. If he wants to set up the spike (as in volleyball), there has to be someone to set it up to.
What needs fixing isn't going to be fixed in 4 years, even with a willing Congress. It will take twelve to root out that crap and stop the damage and set things on the right track, and three terms in the White House is about as good as the GOP has had it in recent history (and that's if you count 'daddy' Bush).
@Smokin Joe
All true. The "12 years to root out..." agrees with my "4 years for Trump,and 8 years for DeSantis" dream.
And that is the MINIMUM amount of time America needs. NO President can do it in two terms. We need someone (trump) to come in ,break things,set things on fire,and pretty much act like a Viking Berserker for one 4 year term,and then DeSantis or someone VERY much like him to take over the next 8 years.
The way I see this,this is what happens,or American is over and becomes nothing more than a cog in "World Wide Government,Inc".
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@Smokin Joe
All true. The "12 years to root out..." agrees with my "4 years for Trump,and 8 years for DeSantis" dream.
And that is the MINIMUM amount of time America needs. NO President can do it in two terms. We need someone (trump) to come in ,break things,set things on fire,and pretty much act like a Viking Berserker for one 4 year term,and then DeSantis or someone VERY much like him to take over the next 8 years.
The way I see this,this is what happens,or American is over and becomes nothing more than a cog in "World Wide Government,Inc".
My either/or is more grim. If we keep open borders and spending ourselves into greater debt, I see the dollar being replaced as the reserve currency, and with the exception of the nuclear, naval, and other forces we have, sinking into second tier obscurity.
That would be considerably worse than what we currently face.
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My either/or is more grim. If we keep open borders and spending ourselves into greater debt, I see the dollar being replaced as the reserve currency, and with the exception of the nuclear, naval, and other forces we have, sinking into second tier obscurity.
That would be considerably worse than what we currently face.
Both Trump and Biden along with their supporters have shown they could care less about our debt. Both want to expand the size of the Federal Government. It's safe to say that debt and deficits will be much higher by 2024, especially 2028.
We cannot afford these two
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My wife shares that POV, and we keep getting hung up on the electiability issue.
And Trump becomes more and more unelectable with each passing day except for his most loyal of followers. This isn't the normal rough and tumble of politics. He lashes out irrationally and posts conspiracy theories
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The legislature will probably change the statute before it adjourns in May.
Is that a good idea? I worry doing this could backfire for us down the road
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Both Trump and Biden along with their supporters have shown they could care less about our debt. Both want to expand the size of the Federal Government. It's safe to say that debt and deficits will be much higher by 2024, especially 2028.
We cannot afford these two
@LMAO
You are so clueless,you lump in Trump with Biden.
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@LMAO
You are so clueless,you lump in Trump with Biden.
When it comes to our fiscal situation...it's well deserved
And the debt is our biggest issue facing this country. You can't defeat math
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When it comes to our fiscal situation...it's well deserved
@LMAO
Yeah,causen they be co-presidents,huh?
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@LMAO
Yeah,causen they be co-presidents,huh?
lol...
Speaking of clueless...
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My bold prediction
DeSantis chooses not to run in 2024, but in 2028. Donald Trump gets the 2024 nomination but loses the general election
There are too many factions of the GOP running for the 2024 nomination to defeat Biden in 2024.
Running a slew of different candidates just to make sure that Trump does not get the nomination does not bode well for the GOP‘s presidential prospects
I'm almost to the point that I will NOT vote for Trump even if he is gets the nomination. I just won't vote. Trump is self destructing.
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He's also praising North Korea's Li'l Kim.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FplY1bmXwAE7Huz?format=jpg&name=small)
Interpretations welcomed.
Trump puts his own political future ahead of everything else. Literally. So if he believes that siding with Kim and slamming our "provocative" military will help him score points against a political opponent, he'll do it in a heartbeat.
I actually despise the guy at this point.
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He's also praising North Korea's Li'l Kim.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FplY1bmXwAE7Huz?format=jpg&name=small)
Interpretations welcomed.
Hey! @mountaineer I'd like to interpret you comment ---- but first I'll need your definition of "praise". Please provide.
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I want some of the $hit you're smoking if you think Trump can win the second time he runs against a brain dead person who runs his campaign out of his basement.
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I want some of the $hit you're smoking if you think Trump can win the second time he runs against a brain dead person who runs his campaign out of his basement.
I personally do not believe Biden will end up running, or make it out of the primaries if he does. At the very least, we cannot depend on him being the nominee.
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I personally do not believe Biden will end up running, or make it out of the primaries if he does. At the very least, we cannot depend on him being the nominee.
After the last 2 years, nothing surprises me anymore.
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I'm almost to the point that I will NOT vote for Trump even if he is gets the nomination. I just won't vote. Trump is self destructing.
@mrpotatohead
Not to mention rude and orange.
We need more Presidents like Jorge W.Bush,who are polite and know their place,huh?
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Trump puts his own political future ahead of everything else. Literally. So if he believes that siding with Kim and slamming our "provocative" military will help him score points against a political opponent, he'll do it in a heartbeat.
I actually despise the guy at this point.
@Maj. Bill Martin
Did you actually read that paragraph?
What he is doing is COMPLAINING about the SK's getting a free ride while the US Taxpayer pays for their security.
HOW did you miss that?
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I personally do not believe Biden will end up running, or make it out of the primaries if he does. At the very least, we cannot depend on him being the nominee.
If Biden runs unopposed, then that frees up Democrat voters to cross over and vote for the most unelectable GOP candidate.
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There's a lot of Trumpers that will not vote GOP if Trump doesn't secure the nomination. Further vilifying their BS at the Cruzers in 17.
Edited to add: It's a big Cult and you ain't in it.
(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/6c/92/d4/6c92d40fb00dd19246c5644127798777--george-carlin-celebs.jpg)
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There's a lot of Trumpers that will not vote GOP if Trump doesn't secure the nomination. Further vilifying their BS at the Cruzers in 17.
@corbe
Chances are I won't vote if Trump isn't the candidate. Why should I,when the rest of you asshats claim you won't vote if Trump is the nominee.
Turnabout is fair play,Bubbas!
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@Maj. Bill Martin
Did you actually read that paragraph?
What he is doing is COMPLAINING about the SK's getting a free ride while the US Taxpayer pays for their security.
HOW did you miss that?
Probably because I was focused on the part where Trump bragged about his "very good" relationship with the single most despotic ruler on the planet, sympathized with that despot being "not happy" and "feeling threatened", and validated that despot's propaganda by calling the exercises "very provocative."
All of which are far worse to me than having exercises with one of our few allies who actually spends more of their GNP on defense than we do.
Making us the bad guy and Kim the good guy is something I'd expect of those who hate the U.S..
I think the secret to understanding Trump is that he believes that he embodies the U.S.. So anyone who disagrees with him is his enemy, and therefore an enemy of the U.S., and anyone who agrees with him is his friend and therefore a friend of the U.S..
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@corbe
Chances are I won't vote if Trump isn't the candidate. Why should I,when the rest of you asshats claim you won't vote if Trump is the nominee.
Turnabout is fair play,Bubbas!
$hit @sneakypete I haven't voted since 2012. You kinda make me feel like a hypocrite bitching in here all the time, knowing I haven't paid for admission to your three tent circus.
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Probably because I was focused on the part where Trump bragged about his "very good" relationship with the single most despotic ruler on the planet, sympathized with that despot being "not happy" and "feeling threatened", and validated that despot's propaganda by calling the exercises "very provocative."
@Maj. Bill Martin
Uhhh,it's called "Politics",and that is how the game is played. You sucker the other guy into thinking you are at a MINIMUM,friendly to him in order to get them to lean towards supporting what you want.
Maybe you would prefer him calling that psycho a asshat and threatening him if he didn't do his (Trump's) will?
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$hit @sneakypete I haven't voted since 2012. You kinda make me feel like a hypocrite bitching in here all the time, knowing I haven't paid for admission to your three tent circus.
@corbe
You must be VERY proud of an accomplishment like that.
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@Maj. Bill Martin
Uhhh,it's called "Politics",and that is how the game is played. You sucker the other guy into thinking you are at a MINIMUM,friendly to him in order to get them to lean towards supporting what you want.
Maybe you would prefer him calling that psycho a asshat and threatening him if he didn't do his (Trump's) will?
Why comment at all? He would have been better off if he said nothing vs what he posted
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Why comment at all? He would have been better off if he said nothing vs what he posted
@LMAO
Because,like in the financial world,that is how politics are played. If you want something from someone,you temp them by hinting you MIGHT help them out IF they help YOU out.
This is expecially true when dealing with people who are batshit crazy dictators who never hear the word "No" because they expect everyone to agree with them.
So you get them to go along with you,and then you eat their lunch.
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@corbe
You must be VERY proud of an accomplishment like that.
In the morning when I wake up, I'll feel slightly ashamed @sneakypete .
A finger of Bourbon in my coffee cup and I'll still not vote for Trump, another day.
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Uhhh,it's called "Politics",and that is how the game is played.
To hell with both politics and the game. It would be so nice to see a candidate run on principle instead of allying himself to the GOPe and letting them fill all his cabinet and advisory positions.
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The $64,000 question is will Roma (who he just endorsed and failed him last time) let him WIN this time?
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@LMAO
Because,like in the financial world,that is how politics are played. If you want something from someone,you temp them by hinting you MIGHT help them out IF they help YOU out.
So what is Trump offering Kim Jong-Un, and what is he expecting the Communist dictator to do to help Trump in return?
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The $64,000 question is will Roma (who he just endorsed and failed him last time) let him WIN this time?
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@LMAO
Because,like in the financial world,that is how politics are played. If you want something from someone,you temp them by hinting you MIGHT help them out IF they help YOU out.
This is expecially true when dealing with people who are batshit crazy dictators who never hear the word "No" because they expect everyone to agree with them.
So you get them to go along with you,and then you eat their lunch.
Reagan had no problem calling the then USSR the "evil empire" yet he was willing to talk with their leaders. Imagine if Reagan refused to put missiles in West Germany because he was afraid to provoke the USSR
Look, I get you believe that he is the key to ending our downward slide and you feel the need to defend him regardless of what he does. But your posts are getting more and more ridiculous
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@Maj. Bill Martin
Uhhh,it's called "Politics",and that is how the game is played. You sucker the other guy into thinking you are at a MINIMUM,friendly to him in order to get them to lean towards supporting what you want.
Maybe you would prefer him calling that psycho a asshat and threatening him if he didn't do his (Trump's) will?
I had no issue with Trump trying a change in tactics when he was President to try to get through to Kim. It failed, but I don't begrudge the effort.
But it is an entirely different thing to lend credence to an enemy's public condemnations and criticisms of the U.S. when you aren't even in office. If anyone is being manipulated/used here, it's Trump being used as an anti-American mouthpiece by Kim.
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Unless I misunderstood RIV, it sounds like he would have to resign his current job should he run
That's right @LMAO And, DeSantis is hoping for a special session to repeal the law.
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They'll pass it cause Floridians have a general distaste for Snowbirds as Texans do.
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I had no issue with Trump trying a change in tactics when he was President to try to get through to Kim. It failed, but I don't begrudge the effort.
2018--2019:
A summit in Singapore followed by a summit in Hanoi between Trump and Kim.
A sitting US president enters North Korea.
Kim releases US prisoners.
Kim stops shooting rockets.
The Koreas hold meetings and discuss peace and reunification.
2023:
Some 🤡 calls this "failure"
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As much as I like Trump, and know the reasons he has to be bitter, he has to learn the difference between friend and foe better and avoid making more worse enemies thant he already has.
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sneakypete...
Trump IS an ass.
So what? We NEED a president that is an ass in order to reverse the way the US is going.
If you keep running the same "Party People",and they ARE all the same,you will just get the same results.
We need a President that doesn't give a squat about anything other than the survival of the United States as an independent nation,and how he gets written about in the history books.
4 years of Trump in order set the stage in place,and then 8 years of DeSantis for cleanup is what we need.
Totally agree, Trump is an *ss!
I disagree. An *ss will get next to nothing done. He got next to nothing done when he was POTUS first time. He promised to end H1-b Visa Program DAY ONE. Did he? Hell no. He met with the tech billionaire oligarchs, and INCREASED THE NUMBERS of H1-b Visa recipients. This one aw-sh*t wiped out 1,000 that-a-boys. Yes, it did!!! And everything he got done was undone by a man dead from the neck up!
DeSantis is not the same. I see him as perhaps the greatest leader this nation has seen in more years than I have been alive, and I will be 70 this year.
A "president that doesn't give a squat' wrong again. History, which repeats itself over and over again has proven a POTUS does far less during a 2nd term than what they did in the first term. FACT! Trump did not have the Republicans work with him, and he accomplished almost nothing. He squandered his whole first year only to get punked by a two time rat named McCain, who went to his grave laughing at Trump. The USA needs a true leader, something Trump never was. A man to truly unify the elected folks in Congress to pass meaningful legislation and produce real, lasting results. DeSantis can do that, where Trump never did that.
4 years of Trump would almost be as bad as four more years of Biden. Trump will set no stage other than the most gridlocked government in half a century. He would in essence result in the American people turning away from the Republican Party and voting for more Democommies. NOT WHAT ANY CONSERVATIVE WOULD WANT!!!
I voted for Trump in 2016 because for the first time in decades, a politicians said things that meant something to me, improve my lot in life. But the rhetoric by Trump turned out to be empty lies. He did not build the wall, he did not end the H1-b Visa Program. Everyone that believed his bullsh*t was disappointed. They did vote for him again in 2020. But the old saying applies. Fool me once, sham on you, fool me twice, shame on me. There are millions out there that will not be fooled again.
DeSantis runs a grass roots campaign welcoming all that want to work to get him elected, something Trump has refused to do in two campaigns, and DeSantis will edge out Trump. It will be a battle, but DeSantis is smarter than Trump. And Trumps childish name calling with a true leader like DeSantis will have people leaving him like the plague. More of the same from Trump is old, ugly and ineffective. If he is the nominee in 2024, Biden defeats him again. For sure!!!!!
I will never vote for Trump again, and I voted for him twice. And if he runs as a 3rd party candidate, he loses and the Democommie wins. He does that and every person voting for him is every bit as stupid as the dims.
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So what is Trump offering Kim Jong-Un, and what is he expecting the Communist dictator to do to help Trump in return?
@Hoodat
He's not offering him anything.
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Reagan had no problem calling the then USSR the "evil empire" yet he was willing to talk with their leaders. Imagine if Reagan refused to put missiles in West Germany because he was afraid to provoke the USSR
Look, I get you believe that he is the key to ending our downward slide and you feel the need to defend him regardless of what he does. But your posts are getting more and more ridiculous
@LMAO
And Reagan was President in an entirely different world than the one we live in today. American values still mattered,and the left was still trying to worm themselves into conditions of control. The most glaring example of this is back then the media had to pretend they were pro-American. So did the left.
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I had no issue with Trump trying a change in tactics when he was President to try to get through to Kim. It failed, but I don't begrudge the effort.
But it is an entirely different thing to lend credence to an enemy's public condemnations and criticisms of the U.S. when you aren't even in office. If anyone is being manipulated/used here, it's Trump being used as an anti-American mouthpiece by Kim.
@Maj. Bill Martin
"But it is an entirely different thing to lend credence to an ememy's public condemnations and criticisms of the US when you aren't even in office."
So,we won't be hearing any more criticisms of the current government from you?
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@jafo2010
So,you are mad that Santa didn't bring you all the toys you wanted,little boy?
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Santa didn't bring my toys?
Sh*t, how ignorant a comment. 1.6 MILLION WHITE COLLAR AMERICANS got displaced from their high paid jobs so that largely 1.6 million Asian Indians could come and live the good life in the USA. Toys! I have seen dumb*ss comments on this site, but that takes the cake.
I am 100% for USA citizens over anyone in the USA. Families were destroyed financially because of this denial of toys. Lost their homes! What has been done to destroy the American workforce, intentionally, both blue and white collar workers, is one of the worst betrayals to the American people in our history. Toys...hmmm...you are just as big an *ss as Trump, who increased the H1-b Visa Program when he said he would end it, DAY F***ING ONE.
Toys...can't fix stupid as they say.
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I actually despise the guy at this point.
I don’t.
I think he, and his loyalists, are bitter because of the treatment he got while president. And he/they are right. He had had two sham impeachments, an important story regarding his opponent’s son that could have had an impact on the election that was deliberately squashed by the media, an investigation based on a phony claim using a phony dossier, etc etc
So he feels he’s entitled to another round as President. But now, he’s facing someone who could be a threat to that and he’s resorting to irrational lashing out, posting sympathetic posts about a dictator who makes no apologies regarding his hatred for this country, and indulges in conspiracy theories. And, as you see here, some are determined to stick with him into the abyss
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@LMAO
And Reagan was President in an entirely different world than the one we live in today. American values still mattered,and the left was still trying to worm themselves into conditions of control. The most glaring example of this is back then the media had to pretend they were pro-American. So did the left.
I can guarantee that if you saw that post , and didn’t know who posted it, you would dismiss it as nothing more as the screed of a tri colored haired, nose and eyelid pierced, gender studies major
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@Maj. Bill Martin
"But it is an entirely different thing to lend credence to an ememy's public condemnations and criticisms of the US when you aren't even in office."
So,we won't be hearing any more criticisms of the current government from you?
Nothing wrong in general with criticizing your government. Plenty wrong with joining the Blame America First crowd, and siding publicly with hardcore communist dictators over your own country when you are running for office.
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I don’t.
I think he, and his loyalists, are bitter because of the treatment he got while president. And he/they are right. He had had two sham impeachments, an important story regarding his opponent’s son that could have had an impact on the election that was deliberately squashed by the media, an investigation based on a phony claim using a phony dossier, etc etc
So he feels he’s entitled to another round as President. But now, he’s facing someone who could be a threat to that and he’s resorting to irrational lashing out, posting sympathetic posts about a dictator who makes no apologies regarding his hatred for this country, and indulges in conspiracy theories. And, as you see here, some are determined to stick with him into the abyss
Here's why I despise him. A patriot, someone who saw himself as a servant of the people rather than as their savior, would have framed the election of 2020 as the voters having been robbed. But Trump consistently says "I" was robbed, as if he has some kind of individual entitlement to the presidency.
The distinction there is an important one, because if if it was the voters who were robbed, then the fix for that is for them to get their choice in 2024, which may or may not be Trump. But when Trump personalizes the election of 2020, he really is arguing that all of us voters who were robbed in 2020 are morally obligated to vote for him again in 2024, because "he" was robbed.
I voted for him in 2020, but I don't owe him anything, especially my 2024 vote. The idea that my vote should belong to him rather than to me because he is "owed" really pisses me off.
What he has accomplished in recent months is to convince me that there are no circumstances under which I'd vote for him in 2024. And I was someone who was arguing to the contrary with family members as recently as October.
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DeSantis is not the same. I see him as perhaps the greatest leader this nation has seen in more years than I have been alive, and I will be 70 this year.
Sorry to hear about the cataracts. There are lots of treatments to help improve your vision. Good luck!
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I think his loyalists are bitter because of the treatment he got while president.
The supporters of President Trump are not bitter; they are enthusiastic and grateful he will have the opportunity to finish what he started. The majority also understand why so many are again dancing on the brink of insanity in their efforts to stop him.
Perhaps it would be best if you paid less time scrutinizing and insulting others and try, instead, to move away from the brink.
@LMAO
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Here's why I despise him. A patriot, someone who saw himself as a servant of the people rather than as their savior, would have framed the election of 2020 as the voters having been robbed. But Trump consistently says "I" was robbed, as if he has some kind of individual entitlement to the presidency.
The distinction there is an important one, because if if it was the voters who were robbed, then the fix for that is for them to get their choice in 2024, which may or may not be Trump. But when Trump personalizes the election of 2020, he really is arguing that all of us voters who were robbed in 2020 are morally obligated to vote for him again in 2024, because "he" was robbed.
I voted for him in 2020, but I don't owe him anything, especially my 2024 vote. The idea that my vote should belong to him rather than to me because he is "owed" really pisses me off.
What he has accomplished in recent months is to convince me that there are no circumstances under which I'd vote for him in 2024. And I was someone who was arguing to the contrary with family members as recently as October.
:thumbsup:
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Here's why I despise him. A patriot, someone who saw himself as a servant of the people rather than as their savior, would have framed the election of 2020 as the voters having been robbed. But Trump consistently says "I" was robbed, as if he has some kind of individual entitlement to the presidency.
This pointing-up is quintessential bubble think ---- the place where the most ignorant walking among us feel their tallest.
It has always been "we" .. all of it. It's why Trump will prevail.
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The supporters of President Trump are not bitter; they are enthusiastic and grateful he will have the opportunity to finish what he started. The majority also understand why so many are again dancing on the brink of insanity in their efforts to stop him.
Perhaps it would be best if you paid less time scrutinizing and insulting others and try, instead, to move away from the brink.
@LMAO
If DeSantis loses to Trump, I pledge to vote for Trump, (maybe not enthusiastically though)
But unlike you and many of his other rabid supporters..... Try getting that same commitment if Trump loses to DeSantis...... Everyone of you will whole heartedly stay home or support his 3rd party effort.
Prove me wrong.
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Here's why I despise him. A patriot, someone who saw himself as a servant of the people rather than as their savior, would have framed the election of 2020 as the voters having been robbed. But Trump consistently says "I" was robbed, as if he has some kind of individual entitlement to the presidency.
@Maj. Bill Martin
He WAS robbed. HE was the one running for President,not you,and not me. HE could not even try to do any of the things he wanted to do if HE wasn't elected.
The distinction there is an important one, because if if it was the voters who were robbed, then the fix for that is for them to get their choice in 2024, which may or may not be Trump. But when Trump personalizes the election of 2020, he really is arguing that all of us voters who were robbed in 2020 are morally obligated to vote for him again in 2024, because "he" was robbed.
Blah,blah,hate rude orange man,blah.
I voted for him in 2020, but I don't owe him anything, especially my 2024 vote. The idea that my vote should belong to him rather than to me because he is "owed" really pisses me off.
This is America. YOUR vote is SUPPOSED to belong to you.
What he has accomplished in recent months is to convince me that there are no circumstances under which I'd vote for him in 2024
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That just means you are a "doo-doo head",incapable of rational thought.
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If DeSantis loses to Trump, I pledge to vote for Trump, (maybe not enthusiastically though)
But unlike you and many of his other rabid supporters..... Try getting that same commitment if Trump loses to DeSantis...... Everyone of you will whole heartedly stay home or support his 3rd party effort.
Prove me wrong.
@catfish1957
I would have STRONGLY disagreed with you as recently as last week,but this CONSTANT and unrelenting shit pile that is thrown at Trump on this web site and others 24/7 has made me decide to not vote for any Presidential nominee unless his name is Trump.
What goes around,comes around,motherhumpers! You reap what you sow.
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The supporters of President Trump are not bitter; they are enthusiastic and grateful he will have the opportunity to finish what he started. The majority also understand why so many are again dancing on the brink of insanity in their efforts to stop him.
Perhaps it would be best if you paid less time scrutinizing and insulting others and try, instead, to move away from the brink.
@LMAO
And this post wonderfully proves my point
His loyalists are so bitter, they have convinced them selves that he is owed another term. So how many times do they plan to run him should he get the nomination and lose another general election?
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@catfish1957
I would have STRONGLY disagreed with you as recently as last week,but this CONSTANT and unrelenting shit pile that is thrown at Trump on this web site and others 24/7 has made me decide to not vote for any Presidential nominee unless his name is Trump.
What goes around,comes around,motherhumpers! You reap what you sow.
Actually, Trump does a good job in stepping in piles himself. Those antics may appeal to you. But I can guarantee they do not appeal to the electorate at large.
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@catfish1957
I would have STRONGLY disagreed with you as recently as last week,but this CONSTANT and unrelenting shit pile that is thrown at Trump on this web site and others 24/7 has made me decide to not vote for any Presidential nominee unless his name is Trump.
What goes around,comes around,motherhumpers! You reap what you sow.
You sure have a short memory, of how and what we went through with Cruz in '16.
lol...thanks for proving my point. I appreciate it. :beer:
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lol...thanks for proving my point. I appreciate it. :beer:
Both his supporters on this site really think they’re zinging us, and yet they continue to prove our points
I’m not making any claims that Ron DeSantis is going to be our savior as I think what ails us is mostly beyond politics. But they can’t rely on 2016 Hillary and the electoral college to save Trump all the time.
But Trump is psychologically collapsing. His supporters can’t/won’t see it and that’s fine. But his dabbling in conspiracies and sympathies to Anti American dictators shouldn’t be excused
I think voters are hungry for stability. And I fully expect Trump to engage in these behaviors whether or not DeSantis runs. Biden promised an end to the chaos and voters see that isn’t the case
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His loyalists are so bitter, they have convinced them selves that he is owed another term.
Trump's haters like him (or her) pointing-up do not understand the concept of earning something based on merit. It's not that they're stupid, per se, but it's probably in the mix of reasons.
Bless their collective heart.
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Trump's haters like him (or her)
I identify as the other half of our only two genders wink777
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This pointing-up is quintessential bubble think ---- the place where the most ignorant walking among us feel their tallest.
It has always been "we" .. all of it. It's why Trump will prevail.
Trump's haters like him (or her) pointing-up do not understand the concept of earning something based on merit. It's not that they're stupid, per se, but it's probably in the mix of reasons.
Bless their collective heart.
Trumpian like replies. Always with insults. How nice.
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Trump is the GOD messiah on Earth. Screwy Leftist Communist monkeys cannot see this.
Let them eat themselves. F**k the Communist Left and all the Trump haters. Screw them all in their face.
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@catfish1957
I would have STRONGLY disagreed with you as recently as last week,but this CONSTANT and unrelenting shit pile that is thrown at Trump on this web site and others 24/7 has made me decide to not vote for any Presidential nominee unless his name is Trump.
What goes around,comes around,motherhumpers! You reap what you sow.
Wouldn't that make you a "snowflake"?
The shitpile being thrown at him is generally just the reposting of his own words. And those words are ones that, if believed, would discourage his supporters from voting for anyone other than him in the general election. According to Trump, everyone else from DeSantis on down, is a disloyal RINO/globalist scumbag. And you guys have absolutely no problem with him saying any of that.
Moreover, anyone who reacts negatively to anything Trump says is called a snowflake, and told that Trump is so great in part because he is tough enough not to mince words, and blasts anyone else who stands in his way. That's considered one of his virtues, and the rest of us are too wimpy to appreciate it his ability to play "hardball". We just can't handle "mean tweets".
But as soon as any flak starts flying back in Trump's direction, you guys get all outraged. It's a classic "you can dish it out but can't take it" situation. I mean, if part of his appeal is that he's the only one tough enough to deal with the Democrats because he's willing to say whatever it takes to win, shouldn't that go both ways? Shouldn't others be just as free to lob boulders at Trump as he is to lob them at everyone else?
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But Trump is psychologically collapsing.
Severe personality disorder exacerbated by senility ... it's disqualifying. Were I new to politics, no matter the platform, it would be impossible to take a party seriously when they nominated a joke candidate for such an important position. We are seeing this play out with Gen Y and Z where Bush is regarded as incompetent and Trump is utterly toxic.
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Both his supporters on this site really think they’re zinging us, and yet they continue to prove our points
I’m not making any claims that Ron DeSantis is going to be our savior as I think what ails us is mostly beyond politics. But they can’t rely on 2016 Hillary and the electoral college to save Trump all the time.
But Trump is psychologically collapsing. His supporters can’t/won’t see it and that’s fine. But his dabbling in conspiracies and sympathies to Anti American dictators shouldn’t be excused
I think voters are hungry for stability. And I fully expect Trump to engage in these behaviors whether or not DeSantis runs. Biden promised an end to the chaos and voters see that isn’t the case
My issue is that if the country is in as bad a shape as most of his supporters argue, then it is a condition that cannot be fixed just by one guy acting as a lone wolf. Whomever we elect has to be able build alliances, and find enough common ground with enough other politicians and leaders to get stuff done. That's because we live in a republic, not a dictatorship, and you have to win votes to enact any lasting change. And even temporary change via administrative regulations requires smart, competent people running your departments.
But Trump seems to be almost intentionally doing the exact opposite of that by insulting and alienating the exact kind of people whose support he'd need even if he did manage to win. He's pretty much guarateeing an ineffectual Presidency even if, by some miracle, he would win again.
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yes true
Trump is kind of a screwball
That is why I love/hate him.
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The cynical part of me says just nominate Donald Trump in 2024 and have him go on to lose the general election and be done with him. If there is a true star somewhere in the GOP, you don’t want that person to have their chances destroyed in a primary fight with Donald Trump tossing out his conspiracy theories.
I do believe that the American public at large can be brought more into our line of thinking on many issues. But we will only do it with serious candidates who think seriously
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Seriously for a minute ... I bought tobacco from some shop, ... and they gave me a box of matches, which I ignored.
Those matches are magic. So much to gain, from that woody flavor. I never considered that the matches were part of the purchase.
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Wouldn't that make you a "snowflake"?
The shitpile being thrown at him is generally just the reposting of his own words. And those words are ones that, if believed, would discourage his supporters from voting for anyone other than him in the general election. According to Trump, everyone else from DeSantis on down, is a disloyal RINO/globalist scumbag. And you guys have absolutely no problem with him saying any of that.
Moreover, anyone who reacts negatively to anything Trump says is called a snowflake, and told that Trump is so great in part because he is tough enough not to mince words, and blasts anyone else who stands in his way. That's considered one of his virtues, and the rest of us are too wimpy to appreciate it his ability to play "hardball". We just can't handle "mean tweets".
But as soon as any flak starts flying back in Trump's direction, you guys get all outraged. It's a classic "you can dish it out but can't take it" situation. I mean, if part of his appeal is that he's the only one tough enough to deal with the Democrats because he's willing to say whatever it takes to win, shouldn't that go both ways? Shouldn't others be just as free to lob boulders at Trump as he is to lob them at everyone else?
His supporters confuse opposition to him or poking fun at him and critique of him as “hate.” I do believe that there are people out there who irrationally hate Donald Trump. But most of us here are not in that group. They are adopting the language of the left when they no longer have a coherent argument.
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If DeSantis loses to Trump, I pledge to vote for Trump, (maybe not enthusiastically though)
But unlike you and many of his other rabid supporters..... Try getting that same commitment if Trump loses to DeSantis...... Everyone of you will whole heartedly stay home or support his 3rd party effort.
Prove me wrong.
But, but, they would then be guilty of voting for the democrat...just...like...certain people here accused anyone who said they wouldn't vote for Trump. I distinctly recall the accusation that not voting for Trump would be a vote for Hillary.
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That's true.
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No thanks. When I learned our governor was endorsed by George Soros, not gonna lie, it broke me.
Okay, but did you hear why Soros endorsed Trump?
Soros wants Trump mad enough to run anyway, on an independent/ 3rd party ticket, should DeSantis win the nomination.
Soros said Trump's ego won't let him walk away from running again, either as a Republican, or as an independent.
This would insure that Neither Trump or DeSantis would win, and the Dems keep control.
The Soros audio is out there.
Heard it earlier this week.
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Okay, but did you hear why Soros endorsed Trump?
Soros wants Trump mad enough to run anyway, on an independent/ 3rd party ticket, should DeSantis win the nomination.
Soros said Trump's ego won't let him walk away from running again, either as a Republican, or as an independent.
This would insure that Neither Trump or DeSantis would win, and the Dems keep control.
The Soros audio is out there.
Heard it earlier this week.
Are you certain DeSantis and Soros are not in league with one another, surreptitiously? The firing of the Tampa prosecutor may have been the perfect smokescreen for such an unholy alliance. Here is a ssssnack for my little meatball. Now do my bidding, I command of thee ... and seek wise counsel from dark lord Paul Ryan ... hisssssss.
I also learned from Trump's feed that Ron is bed with the Lincoln Pervert Project. It just gets worse and worse.
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Trump's haters like him (or her) pointing-up do not understand the concept of earning something based on merit. It's not that they're stupid, per se, but it's probably in the mix of reasons.
Bless their collective heart.
I question the judgment of anyone who thinks Charlie Crist was a good governor. This is based purely on merit. Do you understand that concept, @Right_in_Virginia ?
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I don’t.
I think he, and his loyalists, are bitter because of the treatment he got while president. And he/they are right. He had had two sham impeachments, an important story regarding his opponent’s son that could have had an impact on the election that was deliberately squashed by the media, an investigation based on a phony claim using a phony dossier, etc etc
So he feels he’s entitled to another round as President. But now, he’s facing someone who could be a threat to that and he’s resorting to irrational lashing out, posting sympathetic posts about a dictator who makes no apologies regarding his hatred for this country, and indulges in conspiracy theories. And, as you see here, some are determined to stick with him into the abyss
Agreed.
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Moreover, anyone who reacts negatively to anything Trump says is called a snowflake, and told that Trump is so great in part because he is tough enough not to mince words, and blasts anyone else who stands in his way. That's considered one of his virtues, and the rest of us are too wimpy to appreciate it his ability to play "hardball". We just can't handle "mean tweets".
This poster stumbled onto some truth. There is something quite off-putting about grown men spending hours every day sitting around chatting about how mean President Trump is being to someone who wants to be the most powerful person on the planet.
This of course triggers the memories of meaness they're still hurt by ---- and, boy, this gets the old hearts a-pumpin' and those keyboards smokin!!
I don't know if it's actually "wimpy" --- but :shrug:
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Sorry to hear about the cataracts. There are lots of treatments to help improve your vision. Good luck!
Whoa.... That is sooooo unkind!
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Whoa.... That is sooooo unkind!
She'd have Trumps baby if she still had functioning ovaries.
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Are you certain DeSantis and Soros are not in league with one another, surreptitiously? The firing of the Tampa prosecutor may have been the perfect smokescreen for such an unholy alliance. Here is a ssssnack for my little meatball. Now do my bidding, I command of thee ... and seek wise counsel from dark lord Paul Ryan ... hisssssss.
I also learned from Trump's feed that Ron is bed with the Lincoln Pervert Project. It just gets worse and worse.
*****rollingeyes*****
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She'd have Trumps baby if she still had functioning ovaries.
:silly: :silly: :silly:
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Moreover, anyone who reacts negatively to anything Trump says is called a snowflake, and told that Trump is so great in part because he is tough enough not to mince words, and blasts anyone else who stands in his way. That's considered one of his virtues, and the rest of us are too wimpy to appreciate it his ability to play "hardball". We just can't handle "mean tweets".
This poster stumbled onto some truth. There is something quite off-putting about grown men spending hours every day sitting around chatting about how mean President Trump is being to someone who wants to be the most powerful person on the planet.
This of course triggers the memories of meaness they're still hurt by ---- and, boy, this gets the old hearts a-pumpin' and those keyboards smokin!!
I don't know if it's actually "wimpy" --- but :shrug:
QED
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Again, @Right_in_Virginia , can you please explain the merit of characterizing Charlie Crist as a better governor than Rick DeSantis?
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She don't get paid enough by Orange Inc. to actually answer questions here.
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Actually, Trump does a good job in stepping in piles himself. Those antics may appeal to you. But I can guarantee they do not appeal to the electorate at large.
@LMAO
Of course it is Rude Orange Man's fault you hate him. He is not only rich,he is rude!
What we need is more people like Jorge Bush running for President! I'm betting you LOVED him!
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You sure have a short memory, of how and what we went through with Cruz in '16.
lol...thanks for proving my point. I appreciate it. :beer:
@catfish1957
Thanks to massive doses of chemo and radiation,I DO have a short memory. That doesn't mean that unlike some people,that I am brain dead.
And Cruz has proven himself to be a monkey dancing on the Dim chain,so no great loss there. Damn shame,too. He may be the smartest man in politics,but it doesn't matter because he WILL do what his masters tell him to do.
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You're just jealous @sneakypete cause he wears Cowboy Boots.
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Both his supporters on this site really think they’re zinging us, and yet they continue to prove our points
@LMAO
I personally no longer give a rabid rats ass what you think about anything political. You have already staked out a position that practically guarantees a Dim victory.
Maybe you and your homies can get Miss Manners to run after Biden serves is second term?
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Again, @Right_in_Virginia , can you please explain the merit of characterizing Charlie Crist as a better governor than Rick DeSantis?
He didn't say that @Hoodat President Trump was (again) pointing out DeSantis's propensity to exaggerate his accomplishments. Here's a reminder of what the President posted:
Florida was doing GREAT long before Ron DeSanctus got there. People are fleeing from New York to Florida (and other places) because of high TAXES and out of control CRIME, not because of Governor (thank you President Trump!) DeSanctimonious. Rick Scott did great, and even Charlie Crist had very good numbers. SUNSHINE AND OCEAN, very alluring!!!" Trump wrote.
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Trump's haters like him (or her) pointing-up do not understand the concept of earning something based on merit. It's not that they're stupid, per se, but it's probably in the mix of reasons.
Bless their collective heart.
@Right_in_Virginia
They think they are still in high school,and this is popularity contest,so they want to fall in with the "cool kids".
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Trumpian like replies. Always with insults. How nice.
@Wingnut
THAT is why those of you who are posing as conservatives will always lose. Style and manners mean more to you than winning.
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@Right_in_Virginia
They think they are still in high school,and this is popularity contest,so they want to fall in with the "cool kids".
Says a guy who defends a Reality TV Star. :shrug:
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Wouldn't that make you a "snowflake"?
The shitpile being thrown at him is generally just the reposting of his own words. And those words are ones that, if believed, would discourage his supporters from voting for anyone other than him in the general election. According to Trump, everyone else from DeSantis on down, is a disloyal RINO/globalist scumbag. And you guys have absolutely no problem with him saying any of that.
Moreover, anyone who reacts negatively to anything Trump says is called a snowflake, and told that Trump is so great in part because he is tough enough not to mince words, and blasts anyone else who stands in his way. That's considered one of his virtues, and the rest of us are too wimpy to appreciate it his ability to play "hardball". We just can't handle "mean tweets".
But as soon as any flak starts flying back in Trump's direction, you guys get all outraged. It's a classic "you can dish it out but can't take it" situation. I mean, if part of his appeal is that he's the only one tough enough to deal with the Democrats because he's willing to say whatever it takes to win, shouldn't that go both ways? Shouldn't others be just as free to lob boulders at Trump as he is to lob them at everyone else?
@Maj. Bill Martin
Why would we have a problem with it when it is true? Trump is the ONLY non-career politician in this race from either side,and ALL the pros have done is continue to sell America down the drain.
Meanwhile,you RNC groupies are going to continue to back the same losers you backed before,and hope for a different outcome.
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Severe personality disorder exacerbated by senility ... it's disqualifying. Were I new to politics, no matter the platform, it would be impossible to take a party seriously when they nominated a joke candidate for such an important position. We are seeing this play out with Gen Y and Z where Bush is regarded as incompetent and Trump is utterly toxic.
@cato potatoe
Maybe you can get your warm and fuzzies by trying to get JEB to run?
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The cynical part of me says just nominate Donald Trump in 2024 and have him go on to lose the general election and be done with him. If there is a true star somewhere in the GOP, you don’t want that person to have their chances destroyed in a primary fight with Donald Trump tossing out his conspiracy theories.
I do believe that the American public at large can be brought more into our line of thinking on many issues. But we will only do it with serious candidates who think seriously
@LMAO
"We iz da wurld.....
We iz da peep-pulls....."
SANG HIT,COMRADE!
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Says a guy who defends a Reality TV Star. :shrug:
@corbe
That might hurt if it meant anything to anyone who has advanced past the 8th grade.
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It appears there's a couple here who equate winning a primary election with winning a general
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It appears there's a couple here who equate winning a primary election with winning a general
@LMAO
As well as a few who seem to think that winning a primary with a candidate that is in bed with the DNC is the correct path to take to winning a general election and turning America around.
Bought your "GO JEB!" t-shirt yet?
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He didn't say that @Hoodat President Trump was (again) pointing out DeSantis's propensity to exaggerate his accomplishments. Here's a reminder of what the President posted:
Florida was doing GREAT long before Ron DeSanctus got there. People are fleeing from New York to Florida (and other places) because of high TAXES and out of control CRIME, not because of Governor (thank you President Trump!) DeSanctimonious. Rick Scott did great, and even Charlie Crist had very good numbers. SUNSHINE AND OCEAN, very alluring!!!" Trump wrote.
I was referring to your statement here:
Trump's haters like him (or her) pointing-up do not understand the concept of earning something based on merit. It's not that they're stupid, per se, but it's probably in the mix of reasons.
In making a comparison between Crist and DeSantis, Trump deemed Crist to be the better of the two, a characterization which you clearly indicated in your statement was one "based on merit".
Now since you had wrongly and falsely implied that the concept of earning something based on merit is a quality that is only exhibited your side, I have graciously provided an opportunity for you to demonstrate that quality. So again, can you please explain the merit of characterizing Charlie Crist as a better governor than Rick DeSantis?
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GWB was better than Gore and Kerry as was Trump better than hellary, still never voted for him.
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Trump didn't decide to change his residency from NY to Florida until AFTER DeSantis became governor. Go figure.
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In making a comparison between Crist and DeSantis, Trump deemed Crist to be the better of the two
But President Trump compared DeSantis with two (2) of his predecessors.... emphasizing the DeSantis propensity to exaggerate the scope and uniqueness of his accomplishments.
Florida was doing GREAT long before Ron DeSanctus got there. People are fleeing from New York to Florida (and other places) because of high TAXES and out of control CRIME, not because of Governor (thank you President Trump!) DeSanctimonious. Rick Scott did great and even Charlie Crist had very good numbers. SUNSHINE AND OCEAN, very alluring!!!" Trump wrote.
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But President Trump compared DeSantis with two (2) of his predecessors.... emphasizing the DeSantis propensity to exaggerate the scope and uniqueness of his accomplishments.
LOLOLOLOLOL....talk about irony.
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LOLOLOLOLOL....talk about irony.
Ya, it's a bit much...
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@sneakypete
@Maj. Bill Martin According to Trump, everyone else from DeSantis on down, is a disloyal RINO/globalist scumbag. And you guys have absolutely no problem with him saying any of that.
Why would we have a problem with it when it is true? Trump is the ONLY non-career politician in this race from either side,and ALL the pros have done is continue to sell America down the drain.
Why would Trump supporters vote for someone they believed to be a "disloyal, RINO/globalist scumbag?" Aren't those people just as bad or worse than Democrats?
Meanwhile,you RNC groupies are going to continue to back the same losers you backed before,and hope for a different outcome.
Well, DeSantis hasn't run before, so you can't really say that he's a loser we've backed before. Trump, on the other hand, fits your statement much better. He lost the 2020 election, so why would you continue to back the same loser from 2020 and expect for a different outcome in 2024?
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But President Trump compared DeSantis with two (2) of his predecessors.... emphasizing the DeSantis propensity to exaggerate the scope and uniqueness of his accomplishments.
Florida was doing GREAT long before Ron DeSanctus got there. People are fleeing from New York to Florida (and other places) because of high TAXES and out of control CRIME, not because of Governor (thank you President Trump!) DeSanctimonious. Rick Scott did great and even Charlie Crist had very good numbers. SUNSHINE AND OCEAN, very alluring!!!" Trump wrote.
I ask you for the fourth time now, in comparing the two, how is Crist better than DeSantis? Where is the merit of that claim? What are these "good numbers" that Crist had? And finally, why did Trump not change his residency to Florida while Crist or Scott were in office, but only did so after DeSantis got elected?
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Aside from Trump's wild conspiracy theories regarding any potential primary opponents, which is more of an eye rolling event, what's disturbing is they seem to be ok with, or at least excuse, his taking the side of the N Korean dictator
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Aside from Trump's wild conspiracy theories regarding any potential primary opponents, which is more of an eye rolling event, what's disturbing is they seem to be ok with, or at least excuse, his taking the side of the N Korean dictator
Taking the side of Kim?
God, help them, please. :0001:
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Ya, it's a bit much...
I, too, thought one LOL would have made the point. :shrug:
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Taking the side of Kim?
God, help them, please. :0001:
Although I don’t expect you to admit it, I can guarantee that if Kamala Harris posted that same thing, word for word, your outrage would be legendary
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Although I don’t expect you to admit it, I can guarantee that if Kamala Harris posted that same thing, word for word, your outrage would be legendary
2018--2019:
A summit in Singapore followed by a summit in Hanoi between Trump and Kim.
Kim releases US prisoners.
A sitting US president enters North Korea.
Kim stops shooting rockets.
The Koreas hold meetings and discuss peace and reunification.
2023:
Some 🤡 calls this "failure"
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That has zero, zilch, nothing, nada to do with his most recent post regarding Kim
Now, Trump is probably not sympathetic to the North Korean dictator. But going forward, he should proofread what he posts.
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Here it is again:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FplY1bmXwAE7Huz?format=jpg&name=small)
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It appears that DeSantis is having a major effect on the psyche of Trump and a couple people here. And this is before he announces anything.
If he announces, I expect we will see full irrationality and a major meltdown From Trump. He will also throw out more and more conspiracy theories
DeSantis has every right to throw his hat in the ring should he desire just like anyone else. Trump is not entitled to the nomination or the presidency.
And should he decide, he will have to make his stances clear and known and undergo full scrutiny. I would like to hear, for example, something about debt and deficits. He’s popular in Florida but at the same time, he has a friendly state legislature. He won’t have that luxury in DC. He needs to be more than someone who fought the woke crowd in Florida
And this scrutiny of him will be around Trump’s wild claims of Soro’s endorsements. I am leaning towards DeSantis if he runs but I’m not committed.
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It appears that DeSantis is having a major effect on the psyche of Trump and a couple people here. And this is before he announces anything.
If he announces, I expect we will see full irrationality and a major meltdown From Trump. He will also throw out more and more conspiracy theories
DeSantis has every right to throw his hat in the ring should he desire just like anyone else. Trump is not entitled to the nomination or the presidency.
And should he decide, he will have to make his stances clear and known and undergo full scrutiny. I would like to hear, for example, something about debt and deficits. He’s popular in Florida but at the same time, he has a friendly state legislature. He won’t have that luxury in DC. He needs to be more than someone who fought the woke crowd in Florida
And this scrutiny of him will be around Trump’s wild claims of Soro’s endorsements. I am leaning towards DeSantis if he runs but I’m not committed.
:thumbsup:
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DeSantis has every right to throw his hat in the ring should he desire just like anyone else. Trump is not entitled to the nomination or the presidency.
Exactly!
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It appears that DeSantis is having a major effect on the psyche of Trump and a couple people here. And this is before he announces anything.
If he announces, I expect we will see full irrationality and a major meltdown From Trump. He will also throw out more and more conspiracy theories
DeSantis has every right to throw his hat in the ring should he desire just like anyone else. Trump is not entitled to the nomination or the presidency.
And should he decide, he will have to make his stances clear and known and undergo full scrutiny. I would like to hear, for example, something about debt and deficits. He’s popular in Florida but at the same time, he has a friendly state legislature. He won’t have that luxury in DC. He needs to be more than someone who fought the woke crowd in Florida
And this scrutiny of him will be around Trump’s wild claims of Soro’s endorsements. I am leaning towards DeSantis if he runs but I’m not committed.
Trump sometimes strikes me as closer to being a '70's style pro-labor, big-spending Democrat populist than to being a conservative.
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That has zero, zilch, nothing, nada to do with his most recent post regarding Kim
Now, Trump is probably not sympathetic to the North Korean dictator. But going forward, he should proofread what he posts.
Right. Trump's overtures to Kim were fine, but ultimately they resulted in nothing. And because he's in no position now to make any deals with anyone, all he is doing is advancing North Korean propaganda about us being "provocative", which both ignores NK's own provocations, and minimizes any actions they may take of their own. It's siding with an openly hostile state.
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Trump sometimes strikes me as closer to being a '70's style pro-labor, big-spending Democrat populist than to being a conservative.
Sometimes? More like 24/7.
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Right. Trump's overtures to Kim were fine, but ultimately they resulted in nothing. And because he's in no position now to make any deals with anyone, all he is doing is advancing North Korean propaganda about us being "provocative", which both ignores NK's own provocations, and minimizes any actions they may take of their own. It's siding with an openly hostile state.
If I were to guess Donald Trump's Myers-Briggs profile, I 'd guess he's a ESTP, which often is a terrible mix of foot-in-mouth, narcissistic, non-empathetic tendencies. in a lot of people. A profile that often is not one of a successful businessman.
That lack of a brain to mouth filter, which propelled him to the heights of political power as a beacon of honesty is now becoming his worst enemy.
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Trump sometimes strikes me as closer to being a '70's style pro-labor, big-spending Democrat populist than to being a conservative.
I always thought he was more like Jimmy Hoffa.
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He’s popular in Florida but at the same time, he has a friendly state legislature. He won’t have that luxury in DC. He needs to be more than someone who fought the woke crowd in Florida.
True - but the need to have a cooperative Congress would apply to any of our nominees, not just DeSantis. So the question should be "which of the potential nominees is the most likely to 1) have GOP coattails in the 2024 election, and 2) build issue-specific coalitions within whatever Congress ends up being elected?
DeSantis winning by such a huge margin in Florida suggests that he may have strong coattails in 2024. I also was really struck by how black Democrats in Miami actually stuck up for DeSantis when he was accused of racism.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/miami-black-leaders-apologize-gov-ron-desantis-member-called-him-racist
That suggests to me that he is good behind the scenes at building positive relationships with some Democrats, and/or is adept at identifying and focusing on wedge issues that, when properly presented, actually have support from some Democrats. Either way, that suggests a guy who may be able to maximize getting the most our of Congress. Obviously, none of that is guaranteed with any of the potential candidates, but he at least has a track record of winning on issues where the leftist punditry was convinced he'd lose.
He also has a track record of being a fiscal conservative when in Congress, so if that's a concern, the signs there are pretty positive. The whole Social Security/Medicare mess is a looming issue whether some want to admit it or not, so I'll be interested in seeing what each of the candidates has to say about that. Trump's demagoguing of that issue is one of the reasons he's off the table for me.
And this scrutiny of him will be around Trump’s wild claims of Soro’s endorsements. I am leaning towards DeSantis if he runs but I’m not committed.
Same here. I have a lot of hope for him at this point, and am squarely down on believing he's a much better candidate than Trump. But a Presidential primary can have some surprises, and I also would like to hear from who else is going to run. I do like Pompeo as well, and would be really interested in hearing more from him when he's his own guy and not just part of an Administration.
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It appears that DeSantis is having a major effect on the psyche of Trump and a couple people here. And this is before he announces anything.
If he announces, I expect we will see full irrationality and a major meltdown From Trump. He will also throw out more and more conspiracy theories
DeSantis has every right to throw his hat in the ring should he desire just like anyone else. Trump is not entitled to the nomination or the presidency.
And should he decide, he will have to make his stances clear and known and undergo full scrutiny. I would like to hear, for example, something about debt and deficits. He’s popular in Florida but at the same time, he has a friendly state legislature. He won’t have that luxury in DC. He needs to be more than someone who fought the woke crowd in Florida
And this scrutiny of him will be around Trump’s wild claims of Soro’s endorsements. I am leaning towards DeSantis if he runs but I’m not committed.
Amazing how the knives come out for fellow republicans from Trump and his ilk.
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If by some chance Trump loses the republican nomination will you support the nominee?
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Right. Trump's overtures to Kim were fine, but ultimately they resulted in nothing.
We got Otto Warmbier, and reassurance from Trump that Kim was honest about what happened there.
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Are you certain DeSantis and Soros are not in league with one another, surreptitiously? The firing of the Tampa prosecutor may have been the perfect smokescreen for such an unholy alliance. Here is a ssssnack for my little meatball. Now do my bidding, I command of thee ... and seek wise counsel from dark lord Paul Ryan ... hisssssss.
I also learned from Trump's feed that Ron is bed with the Lincoln Pervert Project. It just gets worse and worse.
I think I'd take Soros at his word, that he wants to disrupt the Republican nomination, election, etc....
According to this article, the Lincoln Project folks are not happy with DeSantis.
https://floridapolitics.com/archives/582406-desantis-lincoln/
I really don't want to get onto a contest on this. I am going to wait and see how things shake out.
I figure whatever DeSantis comes up with, Trump will be able to refute.
Like all campaigns, one side accuses the other, etc...
There are going to be plenty of issues out there for Trump and DeSantis and others who run, to beat each other over the head with.
My fear is that by doing so, both can be tarnished to the point voters will trust no one that gets the Republican nomination.
Cruz damn near lost to Beto for senate in 2018 after the brutal 2016 primary.
It is my humble opinion, that if Cruz were up for re-election in 2020 or beyond, it wouldn't have been close, time heals all wounds, time wounds all heels, etc...
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Amazing how the knives come out for fellow republicans from Trump and his ilk.
I don’t have a problem with the rough and tumble of a primary fight. And should DeSantis decide to run, he shouldn’t be spared.
But that’s not what Trump is doing. Most of his posts are similar to the rantings of a teenage girl whose boyfriend is starting to become interested in somebody else. That, plus a shout out to Kim Jong-un which I have no doubt will be used by North Korean media, will help speed his death process. So if he insists on conducting a campaign that way, then drive on.
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I don’t have a problem with the rough and tumble of a primary fight. And should DeSantis decide to run, he shouldn’t be spared
Except in this case, and what has been proven in the past few days on this forum, is that if the Trump contingent doesn't get their way, and DJT wins or is handed the nomination , they are going to off into a petulant child like tantrum, and will thusly take their toys to the 3rd Party Orange Playhouse.
The hypocrciy of their ilk, and how they applied that standard in '16 and '20 is glaringly ugly.
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:thumbsup:
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I don’t have a problem with the rough and tumble of a primary fight. And should DeSantis decide to run, he shouldn’t be spared.
But that’s not what Trump is doing. Most of his posts are similar to the rantings of a teenage girl whose boyfriend is starting to become interested in somebody else. That, plus a shout out to Kim Jong-un which I have no doubt will be used by North Korean media, will help speed his death process. So if he insists on conducting a campaign that way, then drive on.
Agreed. DeSantis hasn't declared. So why tear him down at this point?
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Agreed. DeSantis hasn't declared. So why tear him down at this point?
Because it is kiss his ring or be destroyed. It is how Trump rolls. Trump is toxic and has been all along.
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Trump has been Toxic since his own Mother sent him to a Military School at age 14.
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Trump has been Toxic since his own Mother sent him to a Military School at age 14.
His own Mother couldn't stand the little pri(k.
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Because it is kiss his ring or be destroyed. It is how Trump rolls. Trump is toxic and has been all along.
Trump, along with some of his supporters, believe he is entitled to the nomination because they say so.
The possibility of Desantis getting into the mix has gotten them all discombobulated. Look at how he and they react to someone who hasn’t even announced. If DeSantis does decide to go for it, Trump will need a straight jacket and electroconvulsive therapy. He’ll probably enter Hillary Clinton ashtray throwing territory
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdz5kCaCRFM
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:silly:
:tongue2:
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Trump, along with some of his supporters, believe he is entitled to the nomination because they say so.
The possibility of Desantis getting into the mix has gotten them all discombobulated. Look at how he and they react to someone who hasn’t even announced. If DeSantis does decide to go for it, Trump will need a straight jacket and electroconvulsive therapy. He’ll probably enter Hillary Clinton ashtray throwing territory
:thumbsup:
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Trump, along with some of his supporters, believe he is entitled to the nomination because they say so.
Well, they'll say it is because "he was robbed" in 2020.
My question is that if Trump is truly entitled to the 2020 nomination, then exactly who is obligated to fulfill that entitlement? The nominee is chosen by ordinary Republican voters. So if he is truly entitled to the nomination, then it means that all of us are obligated to vote for him in the primaries.
And that stands on its head the fundamental principle that individual citizens, not politicians themselves, are supposed to be the ultimate arbiters of the direction of the country.
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Well, they'll say it is because "he was robbed" in 2020.
My question is that if Trump is truly entitled to the 2020 nomination, then exactly who is obligated to fulfill that entitlement? The nominee is chosen by ordinary Republican voters. So if he is truly entitled to the nomination, then it means that all of us are obligated to vote for him in the primaries.
And that stands on its head the fundamental principle that individual citizens, not politicians themselves, are supposed to be the ultimate arbiters of the direction of the country.
I wish I wasn't but what I am seeing lining up 21 months out are of either 1 of 2 possible scenarios playing out, where the GOP loses both:
(1) An unelectable DJT is nominated. I can see him being eaten alive by Mooch or some other faux centralist candidate.
(2) DeSantis or someone else gets the nomination, Trump feels slighted, and runs on a 3rd party ticket. This will pretty much be repeat of what happened in '92.
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I wish I wasn't but what I am seeing lining up 21 months out are of either 1 of 2 possible scenarios playing out, where the GOP loses both:
(1) An unelectable DJT is nominated. I can see him being eaten alive by Mooch or some other faux centralist candidate.
(2) DeSantis or someone else gets the nomination, Trump feels slighted, and runs on a 3rd party ticket. This will pretty much be repeat of what happened in '92.
No argument there. I think those are the two most likely scenarios. I'm including under (2) a very late and/or backhanded Trump endorsement of the nominee.
To me, the best chance of avoiding that scenario is if the RNC gives Trump a prime time/keynote address at the RNC, where he gets his last big moment on stage in front of the entire convention, and chooses to give a rousing endorsement of the nominee.
I mean sure, it'll be all about him and everything he did, but as long as he ends it with something like "the best person to carry on for me is...", that's all that really matters.
I think that clearly would be the best move for Trump's own legacy and popularity within the party moving forward. The question is whether that will be enough to overcome his hurt feelings/disappointment/anger at not getting the nomination himself.
Obviously, the prerequisite for that is that the nomination is decided before the convention. If there's a nasty floor fight, then I think it very unlikely that Trump chooses to give an endorsement.
I still don't think that Biden ultimately is going to be the Democratic nominee. It's going to be somebody younger, and and much harder to beat than Joe Biden. So using "can they beat Biden" as the metric for determining which of the candidates are electable is dangerous
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If Trump is entitled to the nomination, so was jeb! (who also could have beat hellary), who he mercifully slaughtered in 16.
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Agreed. DeSantis hasn't declared. So why tear him down at this point?
Actually, @berdie what the Trump campaign is doing is strategic --- it's rule number one whether it's inter political parties or intra political party:. Never allow the opposition to rewrite his or her hagiography unchallenged. DeSantis has been busy rewriting (well, Ryan has been) his story. Trump knows this and the details -----Trump is just laying the groundwork for what is to come.
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Actually, @berdie what the Trump campaign is doing is strategic --- it's rule number one whether it's inter political parties or intra political party:. Never allow the opposition to rewrite his or her hagiography unchallenged. DeSantis has been busy rewriting (well, Ryan has been) his story. Trump knows this and the details -----Trump is just laying the groundwork for what is to come.
@Right_in_Virginia
For the fifth time, in comparing the two, how is Crist better than DeSantis? Where is the merit of that claim? What are these "good numbers" that Crist had? And finally, why did Trump wait until DeSantis was governor before changing his residency to Florida?
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@Right_in_Virginia
in comparing the two, how is Crist better than DeSantis?
President Trump compared DeSantis with two (2) of his predecessors.... emphasizing the DeSantis propensity to exaggerate the scope and uniqueness of his accomplishments.
Florida was doing GREAT long before Ron DeSanctus got there. People are fleeing from New York to Florida (and other places) because of high TAXES and out of control CRIME, not because of Governor (thank you President Trump!) DeSanctimonious. Rick Scott did great and even Charlie Crist had very good numbers. SUNSHINE AND OCEAN, very alluring!!!" Trump wrote.
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Wow, using Trump as your reasoning, I mean golly there is no bias there on Trumps part at all :whistle:
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I wish I wasn't but what I am seeing lining up 21 months out are of either 1 of 2 possible scenarios playing out, where the GOP loses both:
(1) An unelectable DJT is nominated. I can see him being eaten alive by Mooch or some other faux centralist candidate.
Really? The force behind the DeSantis anti-Trump campaign just promised not to attend the convention if the people choose Trump as their candidate. You don't see this as sabotaging national victory in 2024?
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@Right_in_Virginia
For the fifth time, in comparing the two, how is Crist better than DeSantis? Where is the merit of that claim? What are these "good numbers" that Crist had? And finally, why did Trump wait until DeSantis was governor before changing his residency to Florida?
You would have an easier time getting an less biased answer from ChatGPT
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For the sixth time, what were these "good numbers" that Crist had? And why didn't Trump change his residency while Crist or Scott were in office, but waited until after DeSantis got elected? Trump is clearly making a comparison here. A comparison that YOU have characterized as one based on "merit". So let's hear it. Where is the merit here?
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You would have an easier time getting an less biased answer from ChatGPT
It's no different than arguing with a Democrat.
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It's a big cult and you ain't in it.
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If Trump is entitled to the nomination, so was jeb! (who also could have beat hellary), who he mercifully slaughtered in 16.
Exactly, which is why you're "if" is the whole argument. Nobody is entitled to or owed the nomination by us voters.
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I think I've finally figured this out.
Any Republican who criticizes Trump, even if just by quoting his own words back at him, is a RINO, a globalist tool of George Soros, and isn't deserving of support by GOP voters. Either in the primary or otherwise.
But Trump going after other Republicans, even ones who aren't candidates, is just him playing smart, strategic politics.
Oh, and any large, wealthy donors who supported Trump in 2016 and 2020, but who now support somebody else, are also RINO's, and globalist tools of George Soros.
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(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/77/2a/c1/772ac1ad8ed513422cc0738fce38c6c9.jpg)
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Actually, @berdie what the Trump campaign is doing is strategic --- it's rule number one whether it's inter political parties or intra political party:. Never allow the opposition to rewrite his or her hagiography unchallenged. DeSantis has been busy rewriting (well, Ryan has been) his story. Trump knows this and the details -----Trump is just laying the groundwork for what is to come.
Interesting spin. As far as I can tell, at this point, DeSantis is not the opposition. I don't know what rewrite of his story is being referred to. And if it is Ryan, maybe Trump should go after him instead of DeSantis. Instead of alienating a potential ally and a lot of voters. There is no laying the groundwork. Anybody who watched the 2016 primaries knows the game plan.
Besides, Trump himself, has bragged about boosting DeSantis so he could win. So did he once again pick the wrong guy? @Right_in_Virginia
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Besides, Trump himself, has bragged about boosting DeSantis so he could win.
Riiiight... A weeping and begging DeSantis... *****rollingeyes*****
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Interesting spin. As far as I can tell, at this point, DeSantis is not the opposition. @Right_in_Virginia
It's not spin @berdie --- It's straight out of "Campaign Strategic Planning 101". And.yes, DeSantis is an opponent. He is running for President and will formally make the announcement after the Florida Statehouse changes the law that requires the governor to resign his position to run for federal office. This issue will be taken up in a special session scheduled for May.
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Riiiight... A weeping and begging DeSantis... *****rollingeyes*****
And Trump carried him across the finish line:
https://youtu.be/z1YP_zZJFXs
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It's not spin @berdie --- It's straight out of "Campaign Strategic Planning 101". And.yes, DeSantis is an opponent. He is running for President and will formally make the announcement after the Florida Statehouse changes the law that requires the governor to resign his position to run for federal office. This issue will be taken up in a special session scheduled for May.
I realize that certain laws will have to be changed in Fla. But I also realize that DeSantis may choose to not run.
Since I have been following politics...I can't recall a declared candidate going after someone who might run. It makes Trump sound fearful of DeSantis. But maybe that's because he is.
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Riiiight... A weeping and begging DeSantis... *****rollingeyes*****
I doubt anybody, but the most diehard Trump supporter, believes that. I believe that Ron DeSantis did ask Donald Trump for an endorsement. But weeping and begging? Come on.
What’s going to make it hard for Donald Trump to define any candidate is his credibility.
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Trump has been all over the map with this. Essentially, there is no standard that Trump or his supporters will follow.
Trump: I'm 'Totally Pledging' My Allegiance To The Republican Party
Jessica Taylor | September 3, 2015 | 12:24 PM ET
(https://media.npr.org/assets/img/2015/09/03/ap_169512089475_wide-11feae41ffc8781cfd09c505c0e17c6cff11dff0-s1600-c85.webp)
Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump holds a signed pledge during a news conference in Trump Tower, Thursday, Sept. 3, 2015 in New York.
Mark Lennihan/AP
https://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/09/03/437198983/will-donald-trump-really-back-down-from-a-third-party-threat
But by the end of March 2016 when he was getting his ass handed to him by Ted Cruz, he suddenly didn't want to follow his pledge any more. Then after cutting a deal with the GOP Establishment to block the Cruz threat, he suddenly had a change of heart and demanded Cruz et al honor the very same pledge he reneged on five months earlier.
Of course none of this has a thing to do with what McDaniel is asking. She is simply asking for party unity. And with only two candidates in the field so far and the first primary almost a year away, Trump supporters are already going scorched earth.
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I realize that certain laws will have to be changed in Fla. But I also realize that DeSantis may choose to not run.
Since I have been following politics...I can't recall a declared candidate going after someone who might run. It makes Trump sound fearful of DeSantis. But maybe that's because he is.
That’s because Ron DeSantis has Donald Trump in a panic. And I’m not sure if I really want the laws to be changed to accommodate Ron DeSantis, but I guess that’s up to the Florida legislators
Expect to see more claims of supplying alcohol to teenagers when he was 20, George Soros endorsement, etc
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I doubt anybody, but the most diehard Trump supporter, believes that. I believe that Ron DeSantis did ask Donald Trump for an endorsement. But weeping and begging? Come on.
What’s going to make it hard for Donald Trump to define any candidate is his credibility.
That's right. Total bullcrap.
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I doubt anybody, but the most diehard Trump supporter, believes that. I believe that Ron DeSantis did ask Donald Trump for an endorsement.
Without a Trump endorsement, DeSantis would have won by 30 points.
But weeping and begging? Come on.
Facts are irrelevant here. The key is to spew out venom with made-up bullshit stories.
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Any loyalty pledge Trump takes isn't worth the last Big Mac he burps up when he takes it.
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That’s because Ron DeSantis has Donald Trump in a panic.
And Trump supporters as well. We are 618 days away from the next Presidential election, and the Trump zealots have gone total war on the most successful Republican candidate of the 2022 election cycle.
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And Trump supporters as well. We are 618 days away from the next Presidential election, and the Trump zealots have gone total war on the most successful Republican candidate of the 2022 election cycle.
Should Ron DeSantis decide to throw his hat in the ring, we will have plenty of time to hear his positions on things like spending, the border, crime, Social Security and Medicare, etc while talking around Trump’s flailing and wild claims
Donald Trump has already made it clear that he intends to do nothing about our unsustainable spending. He’s already adopting the Democrats position on so-called entitlements.
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Should Ron DeSantis decide to throw his hat in the ring, we will have plenty of time to hear his positions on things like spending, the border, crime, Social Security and Medicare, etc while talking around Trump’s flailing and wild claims
Donald Trump has already made it clear that he intends to do nothing about our unsustainable spending. He’s already adopting the Democrats position on so-called entitlements.
Nah... It will all be about unfounded bimbo eruptions, character assassinations, and other such things for the prime time tongue waggers.
The whole Stone/Pecker routine all over again. That's how Tumpy rolls.
Been there, done that.
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And Trump carried him across the finish line:
How many more times are you going to unload this ridiculous bullshit claim on this forum? In 2018, the Dems picked up 41 House seats and 7 Governorships, yet you keep bullshitting us on how Trump carried DeSantis across the finish line while losing 7 other States and 41 House seats. Do you have any idea how stupid that sounds? Seriously. If Trump was such a pull at the ballot box, then why did he lose both houses of Congress and the White House?
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How many more times are you going to unload this ridiculous bullshit claim on this forum? In 2018, the Dems picked up 41 House seats and 7 Governorships, yet you keep bullshitting us on how Trump carried DeSantis across the finish line while losing 7 other States and 41 House seats. Do you have any idea how stupid that sounds? Seriously. If Trump was such a pull at the ballot box, then why did he lose both houses of Congress and the White House?
:yowsa:
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I realize that certain laws will have to be changed in Fla. But I also realize that DeSantis may choose to not run.
Since I have been following politics...I can't recall a declared candidate going after someone who might run. It makes Trump sound fearful of DeSantis. But maybe that's because he is.
DeSantis is soliciting and accepting donations from globalist bigwigs. Ronny is running @berdie His benefactors do not open their wallets on a maybe. They open their wallets to buy influence and they're buying it from the ground up.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/22/politics/ron-desantis-donors/index.html
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How many more times are you going to unload this ridiculous bullshit claim on this forum? In 2018,
In 2018, Ron DeSantis was badly losing his campaign for the governor's mansion. In the nick of time, Ronny swallowed his pride and begged Trump to help him win ----- which Trump did. I say "nick of time" because even with Trump's help Ronny won over a crack head with a margin of 0.4%.
Gillum conceded on November 17. DeSantis's victory marked the sixth straight election in which Florida elected a Republican to the governorship, and the third in a row that the margin of victory was under two percent. With a margin of 0.4%, this election was the closest race of the 2018 gubernatorial election cycle.
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Repeating a lie doesn't make it true.
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Repeating a lie doesn't make it true.
It's not a lie ---- no matter how desperately you need it to be.
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I'm not the one here who is desperate. DeSantis had a 12-pt lead over Putnam by the time Trump bothered to show up. And on the Democrat side, Gillum trailed Philip Levine by 17 points. So the better post hoc argument here is that Trump's rally helped Gillum win the Democrat Primary.
But you can fantasize all you want about how Trump is responsible for everything good that happens in this world and gets zero blame for all the things he screwed up. I choose to rely on truth instead.
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2018/2019 - GOP Governorships lost
Maine, Michigan, Wisconsin, Illinois, Kansas, New Mexico, Nevada, Kentucky.
Hey, but Trump is the guy who pulls people over the finish line. At least he can claim that about Mitch McConnell.
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I’m not making any claims that Ron DeSantis is going to be our savior as I think what ails us is mostly beyond politics.
The meat of the discussion so far.... The look behind the curtain... I don't know if I will even be around in two years to vote, if still around all I can offer is a vote for someone that I won't be ashamed to admit voting for. But the truth of the matter is no matter who wins, unless hearts are changed, this is a doomed country.
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Nah... It will all be about unfounded bimbo eruptions, character assassinations, and other such things for the prime time tongue waggers.
The whole Stone/Pecker routine all over again. That's how Tumpy rolls.
Been there, done that.
Plus, I fully expect him to put an unflattering picture of Ron DeSantis’s wife out there to show how much more prettier his wife is. His loyalists here will just call it “Campaign Strategic Planning 101”….lol
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But the truth of the matter is no matter who wins, unless hearts are changed, this is a doomed country.
Yup
Oh, you might get some enforcement of the laws and maybe some spending cuts. But our social problems go way deeper than entitlement reform.
I can vote for somebody who I hope reigns in the out-of-control spending from the Obama/Trump/Biden era. I can’t vote for two parent families in the inner city black community.
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Plus, I fully expect him to put it unflattering picture of Ron DeSantis’s wife out there to show how much more prettier his wife is. His loyalists here will just call it “Campaign Strategic Planning 101”….lol
Which if it gets that ugly, we'll just have to remind which of these ladies DIDN'T do a Nekkid Photo Shoot.
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Plus, I fully expect him to put it unflattering picture of Ron DeSantis’s wife out there to show how much more prettier his wife is. His loyalists here will just call it “Campaign Strategic Planning 101”….lol
There is no low, too low for the Orange Baboon to stoop. He is as at home in Mar a Logo as he is at a Saigon massage parlor looking for a happy ending. Oh wait he never went to Nam.
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The meat of the discussion so far.... The look behind the curtain... I don't know if I will even be around in two years to vote, if still around all I can offer is a vote for someone that I won't be ashamed to admit voting for. But the truth of the matter is no matter who wins, unless hearts are changed, this is a doomed country.
You are 100% correct...sadly.... It's going to do nothing but get worse.
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There is no low, too low for the Orange Baboon to stoop. He is as at home in Mar a Logo as he is at a Saigon massage parlor looking for a happy ending.
@Winignut Oh wait he never went to Nam.
@Wingnut
I did,did you?
BTW,you forgot to mention he is rude. The last thing we need is a rude politician that tells us things we don't want to hear,right?
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Plus, I fully expect him to put an unflattering picture of Ron DeSantis’s wife out there to show how much more prettier his wife is. His loyalists here will just call it “Campaign Strategic Planning 101”….lol
It would not surprise me in the least. The man has no couth. He suffers couthlessness.
:laugh:
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@Wingnut
I did,did you?
BTW,you forgot to mention he is rude. The last thing we need is a rude politician that tells us things we don't want to hear,right?
Congratulations.... I think you have posted the exact "rude" meme a 1000 times. We got the picture.
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Congratulations.... I think you have posted the exact "rude" meme a 1000 times. We got the picture.
No kidding
It becomes like one of those pull string dolls that repeat a few planted phrases by just pulling the string
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BTW,you forgot to mention he is rude. The last thing we need is a rude politician that tells us things we don't want to hear,right?
We already have Joey “Depends” for that.
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DeSantis is soliciting and accepting donations from globalist bigwigs. Ronny is running @berdie His benefactors do not open their wallets on a maybe. They open their wallets to buy influence and they're buying it from the ground up.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/22/politics/ron-desantis-donors/index.html
He may very well run @Right_in_Virginia. Or he could be testing the water. Or he could just be making Trump jumpy. (and succeeding quite well)
The article provided states that these donations were donated to a state political committee. Moving them to a federal super pac could be tricky without violating campaign donation laws, although the article states that a firm has been hired to do just that. I question how that is a known fact. I guess I can't help but wonder why these funds were donated now...instead of waiting for a formal declaration and avoid the rigamarole.
I really am not trying to be argumentative, but wouldn't Trump's best course of action be to run on his own accomplishments and cut out the personal insults and name calling?
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I really am not trying to be argumentative, but wouldn't Trump's best course of action be to run on his own accomplishments and cut out the personal insults and name calling?
Yes, that would be the adult thing to do.
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Yes, that would be the adult thing to do.
And therefore... *NOT* gonna happen. :whistle:
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And therefore... *NOT* gonna happen. :whistle:
Stranger things have happened.
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Stranger things have happened.
Tumpy acting as an adult?
Highly unlikely.
And I believe in bigfoot.
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He didn't accomplish anything for the $8 trillion he spent. Sure he got a couple of hundred miles of WALL built and got Tax Cut legislation passed but other than that he just drove us deeper in debt. I think bidet, another liberal, is on track to spend as much as Trump.
*Oh yea I forgot to mention~He walked in N Korea.
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I really am not trying to be argumentative, but wouldn't Trump's best course of action be to run on his own accomplishments and cut out the personal insults and name calling?
We've got to stay on guard not to get trapped in the anti-Trump media bubble @berdie They pay people good money to amplify --- repeatedly --- anti-Trump sentiment and they know ---- "mean tweets" is the easiest way to do this.
I assure you President Trump *is* running not only on his long list of accomplishments, but also on his plans to build on them in his next term. I've tried to keep this thread updated so Briefers, too, can know what millions of fellow Americans are learning.
https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,490403.0.html
Try to resist the manipulative lure of the tweet. happy77
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We've got to stay on guard not to get trapped in the anti-Trump media bubble @berdie They pay people good money to amplify --- repeatedly --- anti-Trump sentiment and they know ---- "mean tweets" is the easiest way to do this.
I assure you President Trump *is* running not only on his long list of accomplishments, but also on his plans to build on them in his next term. I've tried to keep this thread updated so Briefers, too, can know what millions of fellow Americans are learning.
https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,490403.0.html
Try to resist the manipulative lure of the tweet. happy77
Can someone please translate this for me?
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Tumpy acting as an adult?
Highly unlikely.
And I believe in bigfoot.
As long as he has supporters that love his scorned teenage girl style rantings, highly unlikely
These rantings that make him popular with his most dedicated supporters, are the same rantings that make him toxic to the general electorate
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Can someone please translate this for me?
You obviously have a deficiency of Orange Kool-Aid in your system. There's a vaccine for that.
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I'll loan you this one @Hoodat
(https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a98d8def004d9bd19c8f5bfd1273879009ba8825714f429de83d54c9edd025f4.jpg)
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As long as he has supporters that love his scorned teenage girl style rantings, highly unlikely
These rantings that make him popular with his most dedicated supporters, are the same rantings that make him toxic to the general electorate
Precisely right.
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Congratulations.... I think you have posted the exact "rude" meme a 1000 times. We got the picture.
@catfish1957
I doubt it.
But you just keep voting for the usual "Career Party Suspects" and let me know how that works for you.
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No kidding
It becomes like one of those pull string dolls that repeat a few planted phrases by just pulling the string
@LMAO
No. You are confusing that with "vote for one of the usual suspect Career Republicans causen THIS time they won't let the corrupt Party Leaders tell them what to do."
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I'll loan you this one @Hoodat
(https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a98d8def004d9bd19c8f5bfd1273879009ba8825714f429de83d54c9edd025f4.jpg)
Lol
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Precisely right.
@roamer_1
"We is da wurld......."
We iz da party peep-pulls......"
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@roamer_1
"We is da wurld......."
We iz da party peep-pulls......"
@sneakypete
Bullcrap.
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How upset you Trumpers were/are with Pence and Ryan, 2 architect darlings of the last time OUR Budget was supposedly balanced, gives me all the proof I need as how easy it is to throw someone under the bus in the Trump World.
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How upset you Trumpers were/are with Pence and Ryan, 2 architect darlings of the last time OUR Budget was supposedly balanced, gives me all the proof I need as how easy it is to throw someone under the bus in the Trump World.
None of that matters. It only matters that you bow reverently and kiss the damn ring.
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None of that matters. It only matters that you bow reverently and kiss the damn ring.
@roamer_1
You wear a ring?
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Can someone please translate this for me?
Donald Trump is the second coming of Christ.
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@roamer_1
You wear a ring?
@sneakypete
Nope. Not me. No necklaces either. Found out early those are handles in fights.
So again, your accusations are bullcrap.
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One of @Texas Robin Beaux's is very talented and she gave me a very beautiful Arrowhead necklace as a gift made by him. I just don't wear any jewelry, ever, It's the Indian in me.
Ok maybe a wedding ring or two.
Fortunately, she understands it's not a jealousy thing.
I wish I had this guys talents, but not his phobias.
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A Customer, unbeknownst to me, had a Robin original painting in her house today that she bought last Christmas. all to Charity.
I waived the $150 charge for reloading Win11.
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One of @Texas Robin Beaux's is very talented and she gave me a very beautiful Arrowhead necklace as a gift made by him. I just don't wear any jewelry, ever, It's the Indian in me.
Ok maybe a wedding ring or two.
Fortunately, she understands it's not a jealousy thing.
I wish I had this guys talents, but not his phobias.
I will wear jewelry only on leather, and that because I know it will break if I need it to... Looking for someone to make me a legit native turquoise wolf print in a silver pendant. maybe a few stone beads... on leather. Ask your buddy. Maybe I can do something.
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Normally I don't want to derail a Thread but this one seems to have a life of its own AND will surely survive.
I'll PM you @roamer_1 when I get the info from @Texas Robin Shirley he has a Website, he's published 7 books and done multiple Music CD's. He's famous around here for his ArtRocks, whatever that is. Very Spirited, Indian runs throughout his spere, but very Liberal. Yet to meet the guy cause he's such a reclusive.
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Normally I don't want to derail a Thread but this one seems to have a life of its own AND will surely survive.
I'll PM you @roamer_1 when I get the info from @Texas Robin Shirley he has a Website, he's published 7 books and done multiple Music CD's. He's famous around here for his ArtRocks, whatever that is. Very Spirited, Indian runs throughout his spere, but very Liberal. Yet to meet the guy cause he's such a reclusive.
:beer: :seeya:
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These rantings that make him popular with his most dedicated supporters, are the same rantings that make him toxic to the general electorate
I think they believe that "his most dedicated supporters" constitute a majority of likely voters ("as long as the votes are counted honestly"), and it therefore doesn't matter if they piss off everyone else or not.
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These four years between elections provided an opportunity for Trump's Nebuchadnezzar moment. He could have gone out into the field eating grass for a couple of years, learning a bit of humility before returning to the campaign trail. But no. Instead he chose to double down on everything that makes him unpopular.
Democrats will be crossing over enmasse to vote for Trump in Republican primaries next year to ensure Trump is the GOP candidate in 2024. And if they are successful, they could run Fetterman's corpse as a candidate, and win.
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We've got to stay on guard not to get trapped in the anti-Trump media bubble @berdie They pay people good money to amplify --- repeatedly --- anti-Trump sentiment and they know ---- "mean tweets" is the easiest way to do this.
I assure you President Trump *is* running not only on his long list of accomplishments, but also on his plans to build on them in his next term. I've tried to keep this thread updated so Briefers, too, can know what millions of fellow Americans are learning.
https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,490403.0.html
Well, maybe he should cut out the "mean tweets" and not give any fodder. Like downing a singer (Rhianna) who makes no difference in the overall scheme of things. Who cares if she doesn't like him?
Most people don't find that attractive for a person running the country.
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I'm glad I didn't kill this Thread. I knew it had potential and there will many others soon.
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These four years between elections provided an opportunity for Trump's Nebuchadnezzar moment. He could have gone out into the field eating grass for a couple of years, learning a bit of humility before returning to the campaign trail. But no. Instead he chose to double down on everything that makes him unpopular.
He also has made it clear he has no interest in trying to reign in spending. And if he were to win again, he wouldn’t have the luxury of low interest rates this time
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He also has made it clear he has no interest in trying to reign in spending. And if he were to win again, he wouldn’t have the luxury of low interest rates this time
That's exactly what worries me about a second Trump term. If Trump is leading the GOP, there will be no one left to rein in spending. And his vicious assaults on anyone who points to the coming entitlement insolvency would take that off the table until 2029 at the earliest.
That, on top of his foreign policy pronouncements, is why I don't think I can vote for him in the 2024 general. Not to the "mean tweets", which only really impact my primary voting.
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That's exactly what worries me about a second Trump term. If Trump is leading the GOP, there will be no one left to rein in spending. And his vicious assaults on anyone who points to the coming entitlement insolvency would take that off the table until 2029 at the earliest.
That, on top of his foreign policy pronouncements, is why I don't think I can vote for him in the 2024 general. Not to the "mean tweets", which only really impact my primary voting.
If Trump is leading the ticket, I'm not going to vote for any Republicans on the federal side. He already printed enough money to cause severe inflation, and his working class heroes will expect another four years of tariffs, bureaucracy, and helicopter cash drops.
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First he needs his loser cushion in place ..... (Imagine if Florida's democrat governor wanted to change the law so he could run for president and keep his day job.)
11513
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If Trump is leading the ticket, I'm not going to vote for any Republicans on the federal side. He already printed enough money to cause severe inflation, and his working class heroes will expect another four years of tariffs, bureaucracy, and helicopter cash drops.
So what you’re saying is it’s not because he’s “ orange, rude, and wealthy” that’s driving your decision…lol
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The horse is very much alive @mrpotatohead The Florida Statehouse will revisit the law requiring Ronny ro resign to run for Federal office in an upcoming special session.
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So what you’re saying is it’s not because he’s “ orange, rude, and wealthy” that’s driving your decision…lol
@LMAO
The "Orange" and "Rude" are factors with the "Never Trump crowd",but the prime reason for their hated is their jealousy and mistrust of rich people. ESPECIALLY rich people that were born into wealth.
It's a class warfare thing.
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@LMAO
The "Orange" and "Rude" are factors with the "Never Trump crowd",but the prime reason for their hated is their jealousy and mistrust of rich people. ESPECIALLY rich people that were born into wealth.
It's a class warfare thing.
:mauslaff:
Yeah; it has nothing to do with policy differences. :rolleyes:
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@LMAO
The "Orange" and "Rude" are factors with the "Never Trump crowd",but the prime reason for their hated is their jealousy and mistrust of rich people. ESPECIALLY rich people that were born into wealth.
It's a class warfare thing.
You sound like that wackadoodle "Legal American" posting that Envy and jealousy strawman argument.
Do better.
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You sound like that wackadoodle "Legal American" posting that Envy and jealousy strawman argument.
Do better.
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@LMAO
The "Orange" and "Rude" are factors with the "Never Trump crowd",but the prime reason for their hated is their jealousy and mistrust of rich people. ESPECIALLY rich people that were born into wealth.
It's a class warfare thing.
'Orange' I can live with. 'Rude' I can live with, too. But I can't live with someone selling us out to the GOPe through naivete. Nor can I live with someone who unleashed Fauci on us and who ran up massive debt by giving the Democrats everything they wanted during Covid including the deadly jab.
For the umpteenth time, I am not #NeverTrump. I am #NeverLiberal. And Trump governed like a liberal.
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You sound like that wackadoodle "Legal American" posting that Envy and jealousy strawman argument.
Do better.
Ouch., that left a mark.
There are some of us, who will vote for Trump if, and I mean ""if" he is the nominee. But some of this pre-emptive finger wagging of you better get the orange train or else, has gotten way too silly.
And the fact that the hard core Orange Brigade is threatening to bail if he is not the nominee, just reeks of hypocrciy, after they blast us for the same thing in '16 and '20.
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And Trump governed like a liberal.
A while back I posted a graphic that showed that Trump, even on an inflation adjusted basis, generated more deficit than any POTUS in our lifetime. Yeah, that sounds like liberal governance.
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But some of this pre-emptive finger wagging of you better get the orange train or else, has gotten way too silly.
This is exactly what pushed me away in 2016. Instead of engaging in truthful debate over it, I was constantly denigrated because I wouldn't blindly all the incessant lies about Trump being a 'drain the Swamp' Conservative. And it is happening all over again now.
So what it will come down to is how much of a threat Ron DeSantis poses to the GOP Establishment. Because they were so terrified of Cruz in 2016 that they backed Trump. That may not be the case this time around.
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This is exactly what pushed me away in 2016. Instead of engaging in truthful debate over it, I was constantly denigrated because I wouldn't blindly all the incessant lies about Trump being a 'drain the Swamp' Conservative. And it is happening all over again now.
So what it will come down to is how much of a threat Ron DeSantis poses to the GOP Establishment. Because they were so terrified of Cruz in 2016 that they backed Trump. That may not be the case this time around.
Through the fog, we often forget that Trump was a registered democrat August 2001 through September 2009. And he has in his donation history given more to dim candidates than GOP.
Think about it, 2009 was not that long ago.
I have been a registered and southern republican since early 1975!!!!!! Sane people don't make these kind of abrupt idelogical changes.
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The "Orange" and "Rude" are factors with the "Never Trump crowd",but the prime reason for their hated is their jealousy and mistrust of rich people. ESPECIALLY rich people that were born into wealth.
Jealousy? What on earth. At bare minimum I would expect old money to be educated and possess a modicum of taste, without a dead mammal stitched to his scalp, a cheap spray tan, a fifty word vocabulary, the worst acquaintances, etc. But he can't even handle that. Mistrust - well yeah, only an idiot would trust him, although he is predictable in some respects.
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Jealousy? What on earth. At bare minimum I would expect old money to be educated and possess a modicum of taste, without a dead mammal stitched to his scalp, a cheap spray tan, a fifty word vocabulary, the worst acquaintances, etc. But he can't even handle that. Mistrust - well yeah, only an idiot would trust him, although he is predictable in some respects.
He's already been relegated to "Legal American" Status. I'm toning back....... :cool:
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You sound like that wackadoodle "Legal American" posting that Envy and jealousy strawman argument.
Do better.
@Wingnut
The truth hurts,doesn't it?
But you just go ahead and continue to support whatever "usual suspect" the Party People offer you,and pretend you did the right thing because he,or she,is going to "change things".
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Ouch., that left a mark.
There are some of us, who will vote for Trump if, and I mean ""if" he is the nominee.
That would normally be a reasonable approach,but I think there are some who will claim to do that,but back out at the last minute because they want someone that will whisper sweet-nothings in their ears,and Trump is NOT going to do that.
But some of this pre-emptive finger wagging of you better get the orange train or else, has gotten way too silly.
A natural knee-jerk reaction to the "Anybody BUT rude orange rich man" crowd that want more of the same,because that is what makes them comfortable.
And the fact that the hard core Orange Brigade is threatening to bail if he is not the nominee, just reeks of hypocrciy, after they blast us for the same thing in '16 and '20.
Kinda a natural reaction to the "I won't vote or will vote 3rd Party if Trump is the nominee,isn't it?
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A while back I posted a graphic that showed that Trump, even on an inflation adjusted basis, generated more deficit than any POTUS in our lifetime. Yeah, that sounds like liberal governance.
@catfish1957
How much of that was due to spending bills and obligations already agreed to before he was sworn in. EVERY President inherits the obligations made by the one he replaced.
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How much of that was due to spending bills and obligations already agreed to before he was sworn in. EVERY President inherits the obligations made by the one he replaced.
So basically, your saying that the reason Biden is running up so much debt is because he inherited the obligations made by Trump?
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@catfish1957
How much of that was due to spending bills and obligations already agreed to before he was sworn in. EVERY President inherits the obligations made by the one he replaced.
Even with one "displaced" budgetary allocation year as a lag. Trump is still the King of the Deficits.
And BTW, don't use the crisis as a criteria either. Every POTUS since Reagan (exception Clinton) has had one.
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Through the fog, we often forget that Trump was a registered democrat August 2001 through September 2009. And he has in his donation history given more to dim candidates than GOP.
@catfish1957
Does the name "Ronald Reagan" ring any bells?
And he has in his donation history given more to dim candidates than GOP.
He was living in NYC for business reasons back then,and the Dims were in charge. Who did you really expect him to donate to,given those circumstances?
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@catfish1957
How much of that was due to spending bills and obligations already agreed to before he was sworn in. EVERY President inherits the obligations made by the one he replaced.
Very little. And he did little or nothing to use the bully pulpit of the Presidency to rein in spending during his term. Nor did he use the veto power (whether or not it would have been overridden).
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Jealousy? What on earth. At bare minimum I would expect old money to be educated and possess a modicum of taste,
Why? That is almost never the case. MOST people that have "old money" are never heard of in the press because they don't need or want any publicity.
without a dead mammal stitched to his scalp, a cheap spray tan, a fifty word vocabulary, the worst acquaintances, etc. But he can't even handle that. Mistrust - well yeah, only an idiot would trust him, although he is predictable in some respects.
Your hyprocisy AND your bigotry against the wealthy are both showing.
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He's already been relegated to "Legal American" Status. I'm toning back....... :cool:
@catfish1957
Better that than "I am going to vote for one of the usual suspects because if you can't trust someone who is an established "party people" candidate,who CAN you trust?" status.
Yeah,vote for "more of the same" if you want change." THAT makes sense,huh?
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@catfish1957
Does the name "Ronald Reagan" ring any bells?
Silliest argument ever.
(1) The 1950's dims were nothing like those in the 1990's.
(2) Reagan as democrat and a labor leader has nearly 30 years to hone and adjust his conserative ideology, which especially adjusted those as he served as Governor of California.
(3) Just for record Trump changed party affiliation (at least documented) 5 times. Real stability there huh?
You could make the argument that Trump was just a sleazy opportunist, but I don't expect that from you.
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@catfish1957
Better that than "I am going to vote for one of the usual suspects because if you can't trust someone who is an established "party people" candidate,who CAN you trust?" status.
Yeah,vote for "more of the same" if you want change." THAT makes sense,huh?
My preference is DeSantis, at least at this moment. That could change with election dynmaics, and heck, he might not even run.
So, just for the sake of argument, just what reference points do you have that DeSantis is an "established party person".
Your arguments around Trump support have become sadly nonsensical.
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Silliest argument ever.
(1) The 1950's dims were nothing like those in the 1990's.
(2) Reagan as democrat and a labor leader has nearly 30 years to hone and adjust his conserative ideology, which especially adjusted those as he served as Governor of California.
(3) Just for record Trump changed party affiliation (at least documented) 5 times. Real stability there huh?
You could make the argument that Trump was just a sleazy opportunist, but I don't expect that from you.
@catfish1957
Desperation is never pretty.
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@catfish1957
Desperation is never pretty.
Neither is gaslighting. And you shining at 100 Watts.
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So basically, your saying that the reason Biden is running up so much debt is because he inherited the obligations made by Trump?
Yeah, that is one of the strangest arguments I’ve seen made in favor of giving Trump another term
“ He saddled Joe Biden with runaway debt and deficit. Therefore we should give him a second term so he can do it to another president.”
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Yeah, that is one of the strangest arguments I’ve seen made in favor of giving Trump another term
“ He saddled Joe Biden with runaway debt and deficit. Therefore we should give him a second term so he can do it to another president.”
:silly:
Boomarangs are a bitch aren't they?
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Lyndon Baines Trump at it again:
https://nypost.com/2023/02/28/trump-goes-left-to-attack-desantis-on-medicare-ss/
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@catfish1957
Better that than "I am going to vote for one of the usual suspects because if you can't trust someone who is an established "party people" candidate,who CAN you trust?" status.
Yeah, vote for "more of the same" if you want change." THAT makes sense, huh?
Top notch @sneakypete
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Lyndon Baines Trump at it again:
https://nypost.com/2023/02/28/trump-goes-left-to-attack-desantis-on-medicare-ss/
Sounds like something a Democrat would say. Oh, wait . . .
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@LMAO
The "Orange" and "Rude" are factors with the "Never Trump crowd",but the prime reason for their hated is their jealousy and mistrust of rich people. ESPECIALLY rich people that were born into wealth.
It's a class warfare thing.
@sneakypete
It was horseshit when you first said it, and it is horseshit now.
The people here against Tumpy have very legit reasons. Reasons you can't defend against, so you attack with this ludicrous and entirely invented charge.
It is not working.
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Through the fog, we often forget that Trump was a registered democrat August 2001 through September 2009. And he has in his donation history given more to dim candidates than GOP.
Think about it, 2009 was not that long ago.
I have been a registered and southern republican since early 1975!!!!!! Sane people don't make these kind of abrupt idelogical changes.
I ain't forgot it. I have called him out as a NYC liberal right here on this board. And I can defend it.
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ROAMER !!!!
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@LMAO
The "Orange" and "Rude" are factors with the "Never Trump crowd",but the prime reason for their hated is their jealousy and mistrust of rich people. ESPECIALLY rich people that were born into wealth.
It's a class warfare thing.
That's exactly backwards. The Republicans most opposed to Trump are themselves old money, wealthy Republicans who dislike Trump not because he inherited his wealth, which the Bushes, Romney's, etc. all did themselves, but because of a perceived lack of class.
The original Never Trumpers were the Judge Smails/Ted Knight type, and Trump was the loudmouth Rodney Dangerfield coming into their club and stepping on ducks.
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That's exactly backwards. The Republicans most opposed to Trump are themselves old money, wealthy Republicans who dislike Trump not because he inherited his wealth, which the Bushes, Romney's, etc. all did themselves, but because of a perceived lack of class.
The original Never Trumpers were the Judge Smails/Ted Knight type, and Trump was the loudmouth Rodney Dangerfield coming into their club and stepping on ducks.
Agree. That faction of "jealousy and mistrust of rich people" is exactly Trump's voting base. Drive around out in the poorer, rural areas and notice all the MAGA flags. A fact that has always struck me as ironic, since DJT has never had a problem flaunting his "golden toilet" wealth and life style.
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The original Never Trumpers were the Judge Smails/Ted Knight type, and Trump was the loudmouth Rodney Dangerfield coming into their club and stepping on ducks.
That's right in part. There are two kinds opposing Tumpy. One, as you say, and the other, Conservatives, who are driven by principles.
Most of the folks here that have maintained an opposition to Tumpy are the latter... Every one of them I can recall are old friends who I have stood with all the way along - Long before Tumpy became a thing.
And you can see it, over and again in the arguments posted here - Always a slight against Conservatism, and how its failure to compromise principle is doom. Which is, btw, the perennial argument hoisted by every RINO kind, trying to make the Conservative mantle fit their shoulders. SOSDD. :shrug:
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That's right in part. There are two kinds opposing Tumpy. One, as you say, and the other, Conservatives, who are driven by principles.
Most of the folks here that have maintained an opposition to Tumpy are the latter... Every one of them I can recall are old friends who I have stood with all the way along - Long before Tumpy became a thing.
And you can see it, over and again in the arguments posted here - Always a slight against Conservatism, and how its failure to compromise principle is doom. Which is, btw, the perennial argument hoisted by every RINO kind, trying to make the Conservative mantle fit their shoulders. SOSDD. :shrug:
Fair point. I should have said that the most prominent early anti-Trumpers were the old money establishment types like Bush and Romney. But as you say, there were other, ordinary conservative voters who opposed him on principle.
I think the latter group has grown much larger since 2020.
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I think the latter group has grown much larger since 2020.
I think that many were taken in by the candy thrown by the clown at the front of the parade... And fairly, I suppose. But one can only consume so much candy before you get a belly ache... And a return to meat and potatoes is called for. happy77
Some of us were just meat eaters all the way along. :shrug:
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I think that many were taken in by the candy thrown by the clown at the front of the parade... And fairly, I suppose. But one can only consume so much candy before you get a belly ache... And a return to meat and potatoes is called for. happy77
Some of us were just meat eaters all the way along. :shrug:
I voted for him in 2016 for two reasons, and two reasons alone. The first was the Supreme Court, and the second was the border. He came through on the first, and did try on the second.
Those are still two valid reasons for preferring him to any Democrat. The problem is that there are now far more negatives that come with him that offset how important those issues are.
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I voted for him in 2016 for two reasons, and two reasons alone. The first was the Supreme Court, and the second was the border. He came through on the first, and did try on the second.
Those are still two valid reasons for preferring him to any Democrat. The problem is that there are now far more negatives that come with him that offset how important those issues are.
Well, that's it in the end, and why formulaic principled Conservatism matters.
Let's just give him a pass on everything and call it good... except fiscal conservatism.
If everything else he did was great, that one failure did more damage than all the good...
Mussolini made the trains run on time, right? :laugh:
ALL of it matters. Making advances in the Supreme Court and on border security does no good if the rest goes wanting.
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Well, that's it in the end, and why formulaic principled Conservatism matters.
Let's just give him a pass on everything and call it good... except fiscal conservatism.
If everything else he did was great, that one failure did more damage than all the good...
Mussolini made the trains run on time, right? :laugh:
ALL of it matters. Making advances in the Supreme Court and on border security does no good if the rest goes wanting.
Right - of course the counter to that is that the Dems are even worse fiscally, so it's the lesser of two evils. I thought the Court was important enough, and still don't regret my votes 2016 and 2020 because that.
But his minuses have gotten worse since 2020, and I can't vote for him again.
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Right - of course the counter to that is that the Dems are even worse fiscally, so it's the lesser of two evils. I thought the Court was important enough, and still don't regret my votes 2016 and 2020 because that.
But his minuses have gotten worse since 2020, and I can't vote for him again.
Right- But that counter is my very specific peeve... Because it leads to RINOism that is just barely better than Democrats.
Tumpy spent at nearly TWICE the rate of Obummer... so that counter failed in his case.
And it also subsumes 'Fighting *FOR*' beneath 'Fighting Against', which is a defensive stance with a diminishing return.
We need very much to start fighting *FOR*, with an offensive stance, to begin moving Conservatism forward.
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If we were in Year 6 of a Cruz Administration, this would all be academic but the Trumpers threw a fit and decided differently.
But, as History has clearly demonstrated, Populist always LOSE, usually sooner rather than later.
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Right- But that counter is my very specific peeve... Because it leads to RINOism that is just barely better than Democrats.
Tumpy spent at nearly TWICE the rate of Obummer... so that counter failed in his case.
And it also subsumes 'Fighting *FOR*' beneath 'Fighting Against', which is a defensive stance with a diminishing return.
We need very much to start fighting *FOR*, with an offensive stance, to begin moving Conservatism forward.
I'll just say that Supreme Court appointments are lifetime, and therefore can have a massive effect.
on government policy that lasts long beyond a single administration. We could elect the perfect conservative President, but if he is faced with an activist, leftist Supreme Court, it won't matter.
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I'll just say that Supreme Court appointments are lifetime, and therefore can have a massive effect.
on government policy that lasts long beyond a single administration. We could elect the perfect conservative President, but if he is faced with an activist, leftist Supreme Court, it won't matter.
True, but I just can't lose the fact that in '16 Trump ran as a fiscal conservative, and the end result was he out spent them all.
Even inflation adjusted.
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I'll just say that Supreme Court appointments are lifetime, and therefore can have a massive effect.
on government policy that lasts long beyond a single administration. We could elect the perfect conservative President, but if he is faced with an activist, leftist Supreme Court, it won't matter.
I will agree with that in principle - And you need not defend your position. I get it.
BUT, SCOTUS is historically a crap shoot. And whether or not the dire moment, what you end up with is hard telling.
In that, as an aside, Gorsuch has become the surprise for me. I did not expect him to stand so far to the right.
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I will agree with that in principle - And you need not defend your position. I get it.
BUT, SCOTUS is historically a crap shoot. And whether or not the dire moment, what you end up with is hard telling.
In that, as an aside, Gorsuch has become the surprise for me. I did not expect him to stand so far to the right.
John Roberts was advertised to be among the most conservative on the court when he was first nominated.
We all know that turned out.
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John Roberts was advertised to be among the most conservative on the court when he was first nominated.
We all know that turned out.
That's right.
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I will agree with that in principle - And you need not defend your position. I get it.
BUT, SCOTUS is historically a crap shoot. And whether or not the dire moment, what you end up with is hard telling.
In that, as an aside, Gorsuch has become the surprise for me. I did not expect him to stand so far to the right.
Gorsuch has been running true to form. Kavanaugh is getting a wee bit wobbly every so often.
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DeSantis is living rent free in Trump's head.
And one thing that REALLY gets under Trump's skin is the fact DeSantis above the personal attacks.
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And one thing that REALLY gets under Trump's skin is the fact DeSantis above the personal attacks.
Especially now that DeSantis appears to be preparing for a run. He's doing everything right.
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True, but I just can't lose the fact that in '16 Trump ran as a fiscal conservative, and the end result was he out spent them all.
Even inflation adjusted.
A Trump confidant told Axios their team plans to expose DeSantis as a Reagan Republican masquerading as a populist. We are looking at a purge of conservatives. At least from a budgetary standpoint, there is little daylight between Biden and Trump, other than Joe's intention to cover it with revenue enhancement instead of borrowing.
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A Trump confidant told Axios their team plans to expose DeSantis as a Reagan Republican masquerading as a populist. We are looking at a purge of conservatives. At least from a budgetary standpoint, there is little daylight between Biden and Trump, other than Joe's intention to cover it with revenue enhancement instead of borrowing.
“Make America Great Again” to them means tacking on another 8 to 10 trillion to an already unsustainable debt level
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“Make America Great Again” to them means tacking on another 8 to 10 trillion to an already unsustainable debt level
sTrumpy's silly little name game for his opponents is so 2016.
Anytime a nominee is going for the ticket hat trick, and can barely pull in over 50% 18 months out should be raising all kinds of red flags for his campaign.
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Gorsuch has been running true to form. Kavanaugh is getting a wee bit wobbly every so often.
The Gorsuch and Barrett picks were toappease Conservatives. The Kavanagh pi k was to appease the GOP Establishment.
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Worth pointing out that Gorsuch voted that gay and transgender were covered under Title VII.
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Worth pointing out that Gorsuch voted that gay and transgender were covered under Title VII.
Very true, but it's even more worthwhile understanding why he voted that way, and then applying his rationale to the affirmative action cases that are on the Court's docket.
I find his educated literalism in that regard to be somewhat refreshing.
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The Gorsuch and Barrett picks were toappease Conservatives. The Kavanagh pi k was to appease the GOP Establishment.
Two out of three ain't bad.
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Two out of three ain't bad.
It's a miracle that Trump didn't pick GOPe for all three. I'm guessing that Ted Cruz had some input.
Trump's original 11 list (which he announced right at the same time the GOPe threw him their support) sucked bigtime:
Steven M. Colloton - (failed) associate independent counsel on Whitewater.
Allison H. Eid - Former speech writer for Bill Bennett
Raymond W. Gruender - worked as political director for Dole '96 campaign.
Thomas M. Hardiman
Raymond M. Kethledge
Joan L. Larsen
Thomas R. Lee - Mike Lee's brother
William H. Pryor Jr - Removed Justice Roy Moore from the Alabama Supreme Court
David R. Stras - Most of career spent in academia
Diane S. Sykes - True Conservative
Don R. Willett
After lobbying from Ted Cruz and fellow Conservatives at the Heritage Foundation, Trump added Gorsuch's name a month after the GOP Convention.
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It's a miracle that Trump didn't pick GOPe for all three. I'm guessing that Ted Cruz had some input.
Trump's original 11 list (which he announced right at the same time the GOPe threw him their support) sucked bigtime:
Steven M. Colloton - (failed) associate independent counsel on Whitewater.
Allison H. Eid - Former speech writer for Bill Bennett
Raymond W. Gruender - worked as political director for Dole '96 campaign.
Thomas M. Hardiman
Raymond M. Kethledge
Joan L. Larsen
Thomas R. Lee - Mike Lee's brother
William H. Pryor Jr - Removed Justice Roy Moore from the Alabama Supreme Court
David R. Stras - Most of career spent in academia
Diane S. Sykes - True Conservative
Don R. Willett
After lobbying from Ted Cruz and fellow Conservatives at the Heritage Foundation, Trump added Gorsuch's name a month after the GOP Convention.
The Federalist Society had a lot of input into the judicial nominees as well.
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The Federalist Society had a lot of input into the judicial nominees as well.
Exactly. I was at the Federalist society lawyers convention that year, and We were pretty pumped that Leo and the Society we're going to have a lot of influence with Trump when it came to nominating judges and justices. And I do have to say that Trump absolutely followed through with that promise.
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Especially now that DeSantis appears to be preparing for a run. He's doing everything right.
@mrpotatohead
Doing nothing but let people talk is "doing everything right"?
Well,maybe it is.
I guess time will tell.
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A Trump confidant told Axios their team plans to expose DeSantis as a Reagan Republican masquerading as a populist. We are looking at a purge of conservatives. At least from a budgetary standpoint, there is little daylight between Biden and Trump, other than Joe's intention to cover it with revenue enhancement instead of borrowing.
@cato potatoe
Correct me if I am wrong,but REGARDLESS of who ends up being the next President,he or she WILL have to pay the bills that Biden racked up,right?
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Correct me if I am wrong,but REGARDLESS of who ends up being the next President,he or she WILL have to pay the bills that Biden racked up,right?
Childs play by comparison. Nobody forced Trump to spend 65% more than Obama. He wanted every penny of it and more. That’s why Paul Ryan was included in his axis of evil, along with Jeb, who cut spending in Florida.
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Childs play by comparison. Nobody forced Trump to spend 65% more than Obama. He wanted every penny of it and more. That’s why Paul Ryan was included in his axis of evil, along with Jeb, who cut spending in Florida.
@cato potatoe
So,you are saying the spending bills passed by Congress,and made into law can be ignored by the next President?
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@cato potatoe
So,you are saying the spending bills passed by Congress,and made into law can be ignored by the next President?
YES !!!!
The Legislative Branch has the power to appropriate. The Executive Branch has the power to spend what is appropriated.
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@cato potatoe
Correct me if I am wrong,but REGARDLESS of who ends up being the next President,he or she WILL have to pay the bills that Biden racked up,right?
Just like Biden is having to pay the bills that Trump racked up. Right?
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Just like Biden is having to pay the bills that Trump racked up. Right?
@Hoodat
Gotcha. EVERYTHING iz de falts ob the ebil,rude orange man,huh?
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The Federalist Society had a lot of input into the judicial nominees as well.
I liked Judge Willet.
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The Legislative Branch has the power to appropriate. The Executive Branch has the power to spend what is appropriated.
Correct, but it's become murky legal territory since the Nixon Administration.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impoundment_of_appropriated_funds
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1986/03/03/toying-with-the-budget-process/0991e6bb-c8c6-4d79-a847-8248aa22ed15/
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Correct, but it's become murky legal territory since the Nixon Administration.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impoundment_of_appropriated_funds
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1986/03/03/toying-with-the-budget-process/0991e6bb-c8c6-4d79-a847-8248aa22ed15/
Other than entitlements, appropriations are for one year only. So the most one President can blame on the prior President is the spending that happens his first year in office.
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@Hoodat
Gotcha. EVERYTHING iz de falts ob the ebil,rude orange man,huh?
Not at all. Just applying the same standard to Biden that you applied to Trump. It's YOUR standard. Live with it.
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Not at all. Just applying the same standard to Biden that you applied to Trump. It's YOUR standard. Live with it.
@Hoodat
So,you are a Biden supporter.
Good to know.
I am sure you are relieved to have came out of the closet.
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@Hoodat
So,you are a Biden supporter.
Good to know.
I am sure you are relieved to have came out of the closet.
Again, not at all. Just applying the same standard to Biden that you applied to Trump. It's YOUR standard. Live with it.
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@sneakypete
This is your post, no?
@catfish1957
How much of that was due to spending bills and obligations already agreed to before he was sworn in. EVERY President inherits the obligations made by the one he replaced.
As I said before, this is YOUR standard. And by YOUR standard, Trump is to blame for Biden's spending. I don't agree with it one single bit, but YOU are the one who said it.
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Other than entitlements, appropriations are for one year only. So the most one President can blame on the prior President is the spending that happens his first year in office.
Thanks for clarifying. I remember that Nixon had "impounded" appropriated funds and that Congress had screamed bloody murder about it, leading to the Impoundment Control Act of 1974.
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@sneakypete
This is your post, no?
As I said before, this is YOUR standard. And by YOUR standard, Trump is to blame for Biden's spending. I don't agree with it one single bit, but YOU are the one who said it.
@Hoodat
Are you really THAT big a fool?
You should change your screen name to "Super RINO".
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Other than entitlements, appropriations are for one year only. So the most one President can blame on the prior President is the spending that happens his first year in office.
@Maj. Bill Martin
Yes,but a Dim president working with a Dim Congress can really blow that up to the point where the new president starts out trying to play "catch-up" his entire first year,and it would have an effect on 2nd year budgetting,too.
That means that the previous President's budget can basically tie up the next President for almost half of his term of office,and you just know a sitting president that knows he is losing and his "Party People" will do everything in their power to torpedo a new President in order to make him look bad and themselves look to be "not so bad" in comparison.
I don't know how or what can be done to change this situation,but something does need to be done.
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@Hoodat
Are you really THAT big a fool?
You should change your screen name to "Super RINO".
Again, your standard. Not mine. If (by your standard) Trump's predecessor is to blame for Trump's spending, then that same standard, Biden's predecessor is to blame for Biden's spending.
Personally, I think it is complete bullshit to blame Obama for Trump's spending or to blame Trump for Biden's spending. But you obviously think otherwise. So again, live with it. It's your standard.
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Correct, but it's become murky legal territory since the Nixon Administration.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impoundment_of_appropriated_funds
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1986/03/03/toying-with-the-budget-process/0991e6bb-c8c6-4d79-a847-8248aa22ed15/
Correct me if I'm wrong @Timber Rattler BUT the President still can VETO any Budget that Congress passes. Sure, they can override his/her Veto, but it's on them. The President has a lot of say on the Annual Budget.
He/She submits their own and fights for it, in most instances.
Signed:
The (self proclaimed) King of DEBT!
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Correct, but it's become murky legal territory since the Nixon Administration.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impoundment_of_appropriated_funds
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1986/03/03/toying-with-the-budget-process/0991e6bb-c8c6-4d79-a847-8248aa22ed15/
The 1974 Impoundment Control Act is blatantly unconstitutional. Congress may not deny the President powers delegated to him/her under the Constitution.
Article II, Sec 1
The executive power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America.
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The 1974 Impoundment Control Act is blatantly unconstitutional. Congress may not deny the President powers delegated to him/her under the Constitution.
Article II, Sec 1
The executive power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America.
I agree with that. There was a lot of unconstitutional stuff that came out of Congress in reaction to Nixon and Watergate. But it's never been knocked down in court as far as I know.
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@Maj. Bill Martin
Yes,but a Dim president working with a Dim Congress can really blow that up to the point where the new president starts out trying to play "catch-up" his entire first year,and it would have an effect on 2nd year budgetting,too.
That means that the previous President's budget can basically tie up the next President for almost half of his term of office,.
Not true, but continue to convince yourself that Trump was nothing more than a victim of Obama’s budgets if it makes you feel better
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I agree with that. There was a lot of unconstitutional stuff that came out of Congress in reaction to Nixon and Watergate. But it's never been knocked down in court as far as I know.
@Timber Rattler
Has it ever been taken before a court,or has any tried to take it before a court,and the court refused to view it?
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Not true, but continue to convince yourself that Trump was nothing more than a victim of Obama’s budgets if it makes you feel better
@LMAO
Trump just lives rent-free inside your brain,doesn't he?
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The 1974 Impoundment Control Act is blatantly unconstitutional. Congress may not deny the President powers delegated to him/her under the Constitution.
Article II, Sec 1
The executive power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America.
It's not nearly so simple as that.
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Correct me if I'm wrong @Timber Rattler BUT the President still can VETO any Budget that Congress passes. Sure, they can override his/her Veto, but it's on them. The President has a lot of say on the Annual Budget.
He/She submits their own and fights for it, in most instances.
Signed:
The (self proclaimed) King of DEBT!
Yes
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So,you are saying the spending bills passed by Congress,and made into law can be ignored by the next President?
Every president has a responsibility to negotiate with congress over discretionary spending. Trump has a record, so we can evaluate him as any other politician. His record is one of a progressive. I have seen zero evidence Trump intends to moderate his own spending binge which grew federal outlays to 33% of GDP (as compared to 18% under Newt Gingrich). In addition, some unpopular steps are needed to curtail mandatory spending ... which represents 2/3 of the budget ... before it inevitably leads to a financial crisis. Trump is destined to own the worst outcome by destroying the only politicians who are willing to deal with the entitlement debt bomb.
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https://youtu.be/JECufYRGX2g (https://youtu.be/JECufYRGX2g)
@Right_in_Virginia
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It's not nearly so simple as that.
Enforcement of the law rests with the Executive Branch. If the legislature passes a law making it a crime to drive over 60 mph, and a cop clocks you doing 62 mph, is he compelled by the legislature to pull you over and charge you with speeding? Or is it solely up to his discretion?
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Enforcement of the law rests with the Executive Branch. If the legislature passes a law making it a crime to drive over 60 mph, and a cop clocks you doing 62 mph, is he compelled by the legislature to pull you over and charge you with speeding? Or is it solely up to his discretion?
If the President decides he doesn’t like the current Congress, can he shut down the entire government by refusing to spend a single penny lawfully appropriated by Congress? Can he decide that Congress’ spending priorities were misplaced and decide to spend appropriated money on his own personal priorities because, in his sole judgment, that is better for the country?
The discretion to spend exists around the margin; Nixon abused it and Congress, which has the sole power to MAKE the law put its foot down.
Congress can make spending mandatory, and the president would have no discretion about it.
And to answer your question, if the legislature passed a law that made pulling every speeder over, no discretion, then no discretion would exist.
If you really took your own position seriously, you would be arguing in favor of Biden’s refusal to enforce immigration law and instead open the border because, well, because he’s the president and has sole executive discretion.
WADR, that’s a pretty f**king pathetic position.
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If the President decides he doesn’t like the current Congress, can he shut down the entire government by refusing to spend a single penny lawfully appropriated by Congress?
Yes.
Can he decide that Congress’ spending priorities were misplaced and decide to spend appropriated money on his own personal priorities because, in his sole judgment, that is better for the country?
No.
Congress can make spending mandatory, and the president would have no discretion about it.
Congress can dictate spending to be mandatory all they want. But it won't make it so. Congress sets the budget. But they don't send out the checks. The Treasury does that. And the Treasury falls under the Executive Branch. The Executive can either write a check that Congress has budgeted, or it can do nothing. It cannot write a check for something not budgeted.
And to answer your question, if the legislature passed a law that made pulling every speeder over, no discretion, then no discretion would exist.
Likewise, if the legislature passed a law saying that $100 billion allocated for food stamps had to be paid out regardless of whether there were enough people who qualified, no discretion, then no discretion would exist either. Thankfully, our Founding Fathers had the sense to award this executive power to only one branch of government - the branch that the President heads.
If you really took your own position seriously, you would be arguing in favor of Biden’s refusal to enforce immigration law and instead open the border because, well, because he’s the president and has sole executive discretion.
Biden's refusal to enforce immigration law is his discretion. It doesn't mean I support the decision. But it is his Constitutional right. And if the States were stupid enough to select someone like him as President, then they deserve what they get. Let's not forget that there is a Fourth Branch of government.
Open border is another matter altogether. Biden is violating Article IV, Section 4.
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Yes.
No.
Congress can dictate spending to be mandatory all they want. But it won't make it so. Congress sets the budget. But they don't send out the checks. The Treasury does that. And the Treasury falls under the Executive Branch. The Executive can either write a check that Congress has budgeted, or it can do nothing. It cannot write a check for something not budgeted.
Likewise, if the legislature passed a law saying that $100 billion allocated for food stamps had to be paid out regardless of whether there were enough people who qualified, no discretion, then no discretion would exist either. Thankfully, our Founding Fathers had the sense to award this executive power to only one branch of government - the branch that the President heads.
Biden's refusal to enforce immigration law is his discretion. It doesn't mean I support the decision. But it is his Constitutional right. And if the States were stupid enough to select someone like him as President, then they deserve what they get. Let's not forget that there is a Fourth Branch of government.
Open border is another matter altogether. Biden is violating Article IV, Section 4.
:mauslaff:
All wrong.
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@Timber Rattler
Has it ever been taken before a court,or has any tried to take it before a court,and the court refused to view it?
Not that I'm aware of, except for this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Train_v._City_of_New_York
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Enforcement of the law rests with the Executive Branch. If the legislature passes a law making it a crime to drive over 60 mph, and a cop clocks you doing 62 mph, is he compelled by the legislature to pull you over and charge you with speeding? Or is it solely up to his discretion?
@Hoodat
That's prosecutorial discretion. Different issue.
There are plenty of examples of executive-branch personnel being ordered to perform legally-required acts. It's the entire basis of a writ of mandamus.
So here's a concrete example: Could a President order the government not to send out Social Security or military pension checks, and no person or other branch of government would.have any legal recourse?
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So here's a concrete example: Could a President order the government not to send out Social Security or military pension checks
Yes. Same rule applied when Obama shut down the national parks and suspended government payroll checks during a debt crisis. It is solely the power of the Executive Branch.
and no person or other branch of government would.have any legal recourse?
There is always recourse.
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Yes. Same rule applied when Obama shut down the national parks and suspended government payroll checks during a debt crisis. It is solely the power of the Executive Branch.
There is always recourse.
No, actually, he can’t. If he does, an aggrieved recipient can sue and the courts will order the payment disbursed.
Writing checks is a ministerial duty of the president; not an independent, or constitutional, font of power.
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I am not of the opinion that the Executive Branch is an extension of the Legislative Branch. You clearly believe that it is.
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Article II, Sec 1
The executive power ministerial duty shall be vested in a President of the United States of America.
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I am not of the opinion that the Executive Branch is an extension of the Legislative Branch. You clearly believe that it is.
/snicker
No. You just want to rewrite the Constitution so that the power to spend is an executive power, not an expressly granted Congressional power.
If you’d actually bothered to read up on the power you argue for, you would see that it really only gives discretion to the executive when funds have been appropriated for the executive’s use, such as in purchasing ships for the military. It is not some overarching spending power that allows the executive to independently second-guess the spending priorities of Congress.
The Constitution does give the President power over Congressional spending decisions, but at a completely different locus in the decision-making process. The presidents only independent power over spending decisions is the power to veto spending bills. Once that point is passed, either because the president signed a particular bill, or because Congress overrode a veto, the president no longer has an independent grant of power over spending decisions.
It’s fascinating how all one has to do is to scratch the surface on most self-proclaimed conservatives to find a “living Constitution “ underneath.
The president does not have an independent impoundment power under the Constitution, and the impoundment act was a valid exercise of Congressional authority.
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Keep in mind, I am the one here going by what the Constitution actually says - not by what you wish it said.
Again, the Treasury Department is under the authority of the President, not the Congress. But if you insist that the Treasury Department is some sort of Executive adjunct of the Legislative Branch, then by all means show me where in the Constitution that power is derived. "Living Constitution"? Please. There is nothing more Conservative than placing limits on Government which is what our Constitution does. Except for some unknown reason, you wish to remove one of those limits to give Congress Executive authority. Bah! To hell with that.
You continue to ignore the fact that there are four branches of government. And that the powers of both the Executive and Legislative Branches are derived from the fourth.
Want another example? How about the EPA. The EPA (allegedly) runs a superfund that accumulates money from year to year. But how can that be? According to you, Congress ordered the EPA to spend the money. Yet the money accumulates unspent at the direction of the Executive Branch. Is it possible that Executive Power is vested to the President and not to Congress? Our Constitution certainly thinks so.
The problem here is that you simply don't like the fact that the President does not have to spend money that Congress appropriates because you fear that it could cost you somewhere down the line. But that is the government we have. Congress doesn't like it either which is why they enacted a law to circumvent it. If it was truly Constitutional for the Executive Branch to be a patsy of Congress, then Congress wouldn't have felt compelled to pass that law increasing their power. But they did. Which proves that even Congress recognizes the Constitutional authority of the Executive Branch.
But for the sake of argument, let's see your fear scenario through to the end. Let's say that the President decides to clean up the food stamp program. Throughout a fiscal year, the Executive Branch determines that half the people collecting food stamps did not qualify. So it chooses not to hand that food stamp money out, leaving a surplus of funds at the end of the fiscal year. According to you, the President is in violation of the Constitution in doing so since you insist that the President MUST spend money that Congress has appropriated. So let's examine the Constitutional courses of action here. Congress can use its power of the purse to extort the President into reversing course. Or someone can sue leaving it up to nine black-robed tyrants who may or may not rule based on the Constitution. Or the fourth branch of government may step in and remove Congress, the President, or both. This is the Constitutional government we have, like it or not. And there is NOTHING in that Constitution that compels the President to spend money that Congress appropriates. Nothing.
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Donald Trump praises governorships of Charlie Crist and Rick Scott in video addressing DeSantis. "Florida was doing fantastically. You had a governor named Rick Scott who did a very good job. Even Charlie Crist, a Democrat, did a good job - and he had very good numbers."
John Cardillo
@johncardillo
Whomever is advising Trump to praise Charlie Crist should be fired immediately.
Agreed.
5:25 PM · Mar 13, 2023
https://twitter.com/FLVoiceNews/status/1635362516460265472
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Keep in mind, I am the one here going by what the Constitution actually says - not by what you wish it said.
Again, the Treasury Department is under the authority of the President, not the Congress. But if you insist that the Treasury Department is some sort of Executive adjunct of the Legislative Branch, then by all means show me where in the Constitution that power is derived. "Living Constitution"? Please. There is nothing more Conservative than placing limits on Government which is what our Constitution does. Except for some unknown reason, you wish to remove one of those limits to give Congress Executive authority. Bah! To hell with that.
You continue to ignore the fact that there are four branches of government. And that the powers of both the Executive and Legislative Branches are derived from the fourth.
Want another example? How about the EPA. The EPA (allegedly) runs a superfund that accumulates money from year to year. But how can that be? According to you, Congress ordered the EPA to spend the money. Yet the money accumulates unspent at the direction of the Executive Branch. Is it possible that Executive Power is vested to the President and not to Congress? Our Constitution certainly thinks so.
The problem here is that you simply don't like the fact that the President does not have to spend money that Congress appropriates because you fear that it could cost you somewhere down the line. But that is the government we have. Congress doesn't like it either which is why they enacted a law to circumvent it. If it was truly Constitutional for the Executive Branch to be a patsy of Congress, then Congress wouldn't have felt compelled to pass that law increasing their power. But they did. Which proves that even Congress recognizes the Constitutional authority of the Executive Branch.
But for the sake of argument, let's see your fear scenario through to the end. Let's say that the President decides to clean up the food stamp program. Throughout a fiscal year, the Executive Branch determines that half the people collecting food stamps did not qualify. So it chooses not to hand that food stamp money out, leaving a surplus of funds at the end of the fiscal year. According to you, the President is in violation of the Constitution in doing so since you insist that the President MUST spend money that Congress has appropriated. So let's examine the Constitutional courses of action here. Congress can use its power of the purse to extort the President into reversing course. Or someone can sue leaving it up to nine black-robed tyrants who may or may not rule based on the Constitution. Or the fourth branch of government may step in and remove Congress, the President, or both. This is the Constitutional government we have, like it or not. And there is NOTHING in that Constitution that compels the President to spend money that Congress appropriates. Nothing.
The Constitution does not give the President the independent authority to decide at his whim whether or not to spend funds that have been appropriated by Congress.
Congress has the spending power, that is crystal clear in the Constitution. The President does not.
Faithly executing the laws of the U.S. includes treating the check-writing responsibility as largely ministerial unless Congress has granted discretion.
You simply wish to invert the process and give the spending power to the President.
Whatever.
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The Constitution does not give the President the independent authority to decide at his whim whether or not to spend funds that have been appropriated by Congress.
Again, all executive power rests with the President. That is what the Constitution says.
Congress has the spending power, that is crystal clear in the Constitution.
Crystal clear, eh? Show me where it says that.
Faithly executing the laws of the U.S. includes treating the check-writing responsibility as largely ministerial unless Congress has granted discretion.
Show me where it says that, too.