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‘Never Trumpers’ unite to back Trump’s battle for Kavanaugh
by Paul Bedard
| October 04, 2018 12:00 PM
President Trump’s fight for Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh is breaking up the “Never Trump†coalition of GOP leaders and pundits, many who are now uniting behind the president in advance of Saturday’s Senate confirmation vote.
Rocked by the wall of Democratic opposition no matter what evidence supporting Kavanaugh is presented and impressed with Trump’s solid backing amid a brutal media attack, Never Trumpers are abandoning their opposition in a show of support for the man they once mocked.
One famous Never Trumper even told Secrets that Trump’s unwavering support for Kavanaugh, a long-time public servant who worked for former President George W. Bush, himself in the Never Trump community, plans to vote for reelection.
Nationally syndicated conservative influencer Erick Erickson told Secrets, “For the first time I see myself voting for Trump in 2020. And it has a lot to do with Kavanaugh. He’s not the only reason, but he’s definitely the straw that broke the camel’s back.â€
What’s more, he’s receiving calls into his radio show of Republicans shifting to supporting Trump over the judicial fight.
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https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/never-trumpers-unite-to-back-trumps-battle-for-kavanaugh (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/never-trumpers-unite-to-back-trumps-battle-for-kavanaugh)
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Erickson? Wow.
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A Yuge moment for the GOP, they are behind Trump now. The days of infighting are over.
Flake will be gone soon, and Kasich and Jeb are mere bystanders.
Sucks to be Mitt Romney right now.
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Erickson? Wow.
Interesting. I wish this hadn't happened to Brett but it has definitely opened some eyes about the left and changed some minds.
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No doubt some NTs are angry over how the rats treated Kavanaugh. Some of that anger will dissipate as soon as he is confirmed. rats will get more angry when Kavanaugh is confirmed.
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Interesting. I wish this hadn't happened to Brett but it has definitely opened some eyes about the left and changed some minds.
I like the new Post-McCain GOP.
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Probably myself as well. It was a moment of clarity. The damage Trump inflicted on the movement has already been done. What the left did to Kavanaugh they would do to any of us. They HATE us, and they cannot be trusted with power.
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No doubt some NTs are angry over how the rats treated Kavanaugh. Some of that anger will dissipate as soon as he is confirmed. rats will get more angry when Kavanaugh is confirmed.
And this is from the rats' inside man .... so let's not get complacent Republicans! :smokin:
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A Yuge moment for the GOP, they are behind Trump now. The days of infighting are over.
Flake will be gone soon, and Kasich and Jeb are mere bystanders.
Sucks to be Mitt Romney right now.
Ahhh...... over? You mean.... like..... forever over?
I highly doubt it.
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Erickson? Wow.
And Levin, and Shapiro, and Beck.
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Nationally syndicated conservative influencer Erick Erickson told Secrets, “For the first time I see myself voting for Trump in 2020. And it has a lot to do with Kavanaugh. He’s not the only reason, but he’s definitely the straw that broke the camel’s back.â€
Trump has more than earned never Trumpers support. It's good to see.
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And this is from the rats' inside man
And the free renter of your mind.
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A Yuge moment for the GOP, they are behind Trump now. The days of infighting are over.
Flake will be gone soon, and Kasich and Jeb are mere bystanders.
Sucks to be Mitt Romney right now.
Is it so terrible to put America first?
I didn't vote for Trump because I was sure he wouldn't do what he said and I didn't like how he campaigned in the primaries. He has proved he intends to do what he said he would do. It's so rare.
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Erickson? Wow.
@Sanguine
He's been going hard for Kavanaugh since this began, releasing articles every day.
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A Yuge moment for the GOP, they are behind Trump now. The days of infighting are over.
Flake will be gone soon, and Kasich and Jeb are mere bystanders.
Sucks to be Mitt Romney right now.
I don't know. Isn't he in the Senate race in Utah? Almost a cinch to win.
https://www.thespectrum.com/story/news/2018/10/04/mitt-romney-jenny-wilson-set-senate-debate-suu/1520210002/ (https://www.thespectrum.com/story/news/2018/10/04/mitt-romney-jenny-wilson-set-senate-debate-suu/1520210002/)
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We haven't had much coverage of him. I saw an interesting article, will post in appropriate thread.
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And Levin, and Shapiro, and Beck.
@truth_seeker
You know that Shapiro stopped being NT a long time ago, right?
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Yes, Romney will win, but he'll be irrelevant once he gets to Washington.
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So did Beck..... and Levin, I don't think he has come out and declared support but he supports a lot of what the President says and does and other things, not. He certainly defends Trump.
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And Levin, and Shapiro, and Beck.
And me, too. And a lot of others here, as I have seen recently.
Enough is enough. We have seen the enemy, and it ain't us.
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And me, too. And a lot of others here, as I have seen recently.
Enough is enough. We have seen the enemy, and it ain't us.
:amen:
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And this is from the rats' inside man .... so let's not get complacent Republicans! :smokin:
Complacent? No. I am optimistic but not complacent.
As for the implacable NT's on this forum, I am not even optimistic. Hating Trump is their reason for living. Well, one of their reasons.
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Help me here @Emjay Is there a 12 step recovery program for recovering NT'ers?
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Complacent? No. I am optimistic but not complacent.
As for the implacable NT's on this forum, I am not even optimistic. Hating Trump is their reason for living. Well, one of their reasons.
Hating Trump's blind followers also gives me purpose.
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Help me here @Emjay Is there a 12 step recovery program for recovering NT'ers?
No @corbe . But there is a 20 step program. First step, you must admit you've been wrong.
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Hating Trump's blind followers also gives me purpose.
You've made that painfully obvious @Once-Ler I hope it makes you happy.
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For this "Never Trumper" it's not about Trump. It's about a decent guy being railroaded by lying chippies hired by Democrats and the deep pockets behind them. I didn't like this crap when it was pulled on Roy Moore, Herman Cain and others and I don't like it now.
You are exactly right, @Applewood and I agree with your sentiments about all of those gentlemen.
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No @corbe . But there is a 20 step program. First step, you must admit you've been wrong.
NOT GONNA HAPPEN, I am leaning away from the ever contentious 'NY Liberal' label to more of a 'Rockefeller Republican', that's my first step, and I am still struggling here.
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Probably myself as well. It was a moment of clarity. The damage Trump inflicted on the movement has already been done. What the left did to Kavanaugh they would do to any of us. They HATE us, and they cannot be trusted with power.
Damage? For Pete’s sake! Trump has done more for conservatives in just two short years than republican politicians have done for conservatives in the last 25-years!
Damage? Give me a friggin’ brake! NeverTrumpers are un-friggin’ believable!
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The thing is, if you're a Republican and you don't like Trump, he'll be gone in 2 years -- 6 tops. But what the Democrats and leftists have becoming/are becoming isn't going away. If they get power again, they may never give it up. Supreme Court packing, "voting reform"... you name it. All are realistic possibilities that I wouldn't have thought they'd dare try even a few years ago.
The country can recover from Trump. It may never recover from the left gaining power because the elections and judiciary will be permanently rigged.
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The thing is, if you're a Republican and you don't like Trump, he'll be gone in 2 years -- 6 tops. But what the Democrats and leftists have becoming/are becoming isn't going away. If they get power again, they may never give it up. Supreme Court packing, "voting reform"... you name it. All are realistic possibilities that I wouldn't have thought they'd dare try even a few years ago.
The country can recover from Trump. It may never recover from the left gaining power because the elections and judiciary will be permanently rigged.
Gee, I don't know, Maj. Bill. If the economy gets any better, it may cause a lot (more) of heads to explode and the cleanup cost alone might bankrupt us! :silly:
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Kavanaugh's crucifixion has radicalized many of us.
Unite the clans! UNITE US!
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Hating Trump's blind followers also gives me purpose.
I heard it again this morning, Trump's a street fighter. That in part is why we support him. He is fighting for America.
Yes, I don't necessarily go along with him saying "This SOB" or making kneeling during the National anthem an issue and things like that. I am kind of indifferent though, what he is doing seems to be working.
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The thing is, if you're a Republican and you don't like Trump, he'll be gone in 2 years -- 6 tops. But what the Democrats and leftists have becoming/are becoming isn't going away. If they get power again, they may never give it up. Supreme Court packing, "voting reform"... you name it. All are realistic possibilities that I wouldn't have thought they'd dare try even a few years ago.
The country can recover from Trump. It may never recover from the left gaining power because the elections and judiciary will be permanently rigged.
Well put @Maj. Bill Martin It's time for the rabid NTers among us to gain some perspective regarding Trump, our Country's future, and the revelation of what the Democrat party has become in the last few years, especially the last two.
The reason the democrats are so frantic, so desperate, so willing to sell whatever souls they have to block Kavanaugh's nomination is revealing of how dependent the dems are on having a liberal court.
The country as a whole does not like any of their programs. They cannot get them passed and they rely on the court system to do their will.
This is an absolutely upside down view of how the country should be governed and gives a power to the judiciary it was never meant to have.
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@truth_seeker
You know that Shapiro stopped being NT a long time ago, right?
And, Levin voted for Trump, and Beck has praised him on a number of occasions.
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NOT GONNA HAPPEN, I am leaning away from the ever contentious 'NY Liberal' label to more of a 'Rockefeller Republican', that's my first step, and I am still struggling here.
Why @corbe ?? Struggling. Sorry, baby, but what exactly is your problem?
Has Trump done something to mortally offend you in any of his actions? Take what we are dealing with now, the Supreme Court. Trump kept his promise to nominate excellent judges.
The economy is improving and Trump is even making some valuable inroads into the world financial community.
Tell me what you want, corbe, and I will ask Trump to do it.
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NOT GONNA HAPPEN, I am leaning away from the ever contentious 'NY Liberal' label to more of a 'Rockefeller Republican', that's my first step, and I am still struggling here.
Well "NY Liberals" back in Trump's time, have no comparison to today's "NY Liberals", which are now completely Socialist.
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@Jazzhead
Kavanaugh's crucifixion has radicalized many of us.
Unite the clans! UNITE US!
I couldn't stand Trump during the primaries. His more rabid fans and their claim that he was the only guy for the job struck me as nutty. I thought he was boorish, obnoxious, not very smart, and clearly not a conservative. I thought he was the one guy who might blow an eminently winnable election. After he won the nomination, I initially decided I wouldn't vote for him, but @Mesaclone eventually talked me off the ledge.
I decided that while I was right to oppose him for as long as I did, it made sense to jump on the bandwagon when he was the only thing standing between Hillary and the White House.
Then there are those who held on to "NT" for longer. They maintained that he was still an offensive boor who didn't deserve our support even after the election. But it appears that the Kavanaugh affair has caused many of them to now reconsider.
So the question is...which of those groups was right? Those who "saw" early on that we'd need a streetfighter to go against the Democrats, those like me who joined up only for the general election after the other alternatives were all knocked out, or those who waited until now, until the full perfidy of the left was exposed by the nomination of Brett Kavanaugh? I mean, everyone wants to believe that they were the one who was right, and I'm no different.
The correct answer is...it doesn't matter who was right. All that matters now is that the left has pretty much forced all of us (or at least, the vast majority of us) to be on the same side of this fight.
Unite the clans!
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Kavanaugh's crucifixion has radicalized many of us.
Unite the clans! UNITE US!
Had Amy Barret been the nominee, we would have witnessed the Left, crucify her for her honest, deeply held Catholic religious convictions.
I hope to see that next. Because these leftists are truly evil. They are NOT Nordic Socialists. They are Soviet/Chinese Marxists.
They are toying, with violent overthrow.
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I've said it many times before, I hope we don't always have Presidents like Trump.
But at this point in time, he is exactly what we need. He is the curveball that people can't figure out how to hit.
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Okay, I see the way this is going, lol.
We had an occasion of unity, so some of y'all are going to pull out the Trump gospel and make us born again. :laugh:
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@Jazzhead
I couldn't stand Trump during the primaries. His more rabid fans and their claim that he was the only guy for the job struck me as nutty. I thought he was boorish, obnoxious, not very smart, and clearly not a conservative. I thought he was the one guy who might blow an eminently winnable election. After he won the nomination, I initially decided I wouldn't vote for him, but @Mesaclone eventually talked me off the ledge.
I decided that while I was right to oppose him for as long as I did, it made sense to jump on the bandwagon when he was the only thing standing between Hillary and the White House.
Then there are those who held on to "NT" for longer. They maintained that he was still an offensive boor who didn't deserve our support even after the election. But it appears that the Kavanaugh affair has caused many of them to now reconsider.
So the question is...which of those groups was right? Those who "saw" early on that we'd need a streetfighter to go against the Democrats, those like me who joined up only for the general election after the other alternatives were all knocked out, or those who waited until now, until the full perfidy of the left was exposed by the nomination of Brett Kavanaugh? I mean, everyone wants to believe that they were the one who was right, and I'm no different.
The correct answer is...it doesn't matter who was right. All that matters now is that the left has pretty much forced all of us (or at least, the vast majority of us) to be on the same side of this fight.
Unite the clans!
I know. I was pretty much in your frame of mind about Trump during the primaries and I still bear real scars from TOS to prove it.
I saw the Light the morning after the election. It took some people a little or a lot longer and some people will never see it.
But I find it hard to imagine clutching onto a Trump grudge if people realize the alternative.
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@Emjay you and many Trumpers here fail to see the Filter I have.
Sure Trump has accomplished some GREAT things, in spite of his self inflicted wounds we constantly see AND the GOP has not been much help as we all knew would happen.
MY FILTER (you call it buthurt) is that President Cruz would have gave us all that Trump has delivered and MORE (not spending $1.2T/yr and funding pp). * Sen. Lee would be going through all this $hit that Kavanaugh is going through right now.
The Good Lord knows the opposition would have been the same from Republicans and dems alike to a Cruz Administration, BUT
A: He wouldn't have gotten down in the ditch with them
B: He has a 'TRUE' Conservative core, not unlike Reagan and Goldwater.
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I know. I was pretty much in your frame of mind about Trump during the primaries and I still bear real scars from TOS to prove it.
I saw the Light the morning after the election. It took some people a little or a lot longer and some people will never see it.
But I find it hard to imagine clutching onto a Trump grudge if people realize the alternative.
@Emjay
Yeah, the only Light with a capital L that i know of is Jesus Christ.
To you and a few others, "clutching a grudge" means criticizing Trump at all, and I expect you'll double down on it now.
Oh, well. Not changing.
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@Emjay you and many Trumpers here fail to see the Filter I have.
Sure Trump has accomplished some GREAT things, in spite of his self inflicted wounds we constantly see AND the GOP has not been much help as we all knew would happen.
MY FILTER (you call it buthurt) is that President Cruz would have gave us all that Trump has delivered and MORE (not spending $1.2T/yr and funding pp). * Sen. Lee would be going through all this $hit that Kavanaugh is going through right now.
The Good Lord knows the opposition would have been the same from Republicans and dems alike to a Cruz Administration, BUT
A: He wouldn't have gotten down in the ditch with them
B: He has a 'TRUE' Conservative core, not unlike Reagan and Goldwater.
Hey, @corbe I am a total Ted Cruz lover. Always was and always will be. And I think and hope that he will be President some day. He's a young guy.
I would say that Trump has a more practical core. His core is putting America first in trade, in the economy, in fair and impartial justices in the Supreme Court and in protecting America from rampant illegal immigration.
Cruz would have been treated as badly and he would have responded with elegant reason and convincing arguments.
But it would have been pearls to swine. Our opponents are swine; they prove it constantly.
Trump may be the right guy to handle the current cadre of democrats. I'm not a huge admirer of his way but I'm gal enough to admit it could be the right way.
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I'm for Kavanaugh but some have said, the GOP establishment likes him. If Graham and McConnell like him a lot, speaking with a conspiracy theorists view, one could say that might affirm that.
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Maybe I can be a little more specific @Emjay Had you Trumpers not said to DC "screw em, give them Trump" (throwing the baby out with the bathwater), IMHO, in early 2016 we would all be on one team here, discussing how well President Cruz is doing in spite of all the opposition towards him (MSM, GOP and dems).
Isn't it really a tossup who the Gop can hate more, on any given day, Trump or Cruz?
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Maybe I can be a little more specific @Emjay Had you Trumpers not said to DC "screw em, give them Trump" (throwing the baby out with the bathwater), IMHO, in early 2016 we would all be on one team here, discussing how well President Cruz is doing in spite of all the opposition towards him (MSM, GOP and dems).
Isn't it really a tossup who the Gop can hate more, on any given day, Trump or Cruz?
@corbe I will never understand your convoluted reasoning. Why should people for Donald Trump not root for and vote for Trump?
And corbe, if you think we would all be on the same team here, you are even more of a dreamer than I thought.
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They're all uniting except for one little faggy Snowflake......
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Hey, @corbe I am a total Ted Cruz lover. Always was and always will be. And I think and hope that he will be President some day. He's a young guy.
I would say that Trump has a more practical core. His core is putting America first in trade, in the economy, in fair and impartial justices in the Supreme Court and in protecting America from rampant illegal immigration.
Cruz would have been treated as badly and he would have responded with elegant reason and convincing arguments.
But it would have been pearls to swine. Our opponents are swine; they prove it constantly.
Trump may be the right guy to handle the current cadre of democrats. I'm not a huge admirer of his way but I'm gal enough to admit it could be the right way.
He was the right man at the right time. And it was a lucky turn for us.
I think he’ll leave quite a legacy of performance that will have a lasting impact and challenge future presidents to do as well.
And hopefully he will have forced a shift in attitude among the electorate about politics and politicians.
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MY FILTER (you call it buthurt) is that President Cruz would have gave us all that Trump has delivered and MORE
This simply isn't realistic.
On the economy, Cruz simply lacks the President's business acumen. Cruz would never have ended NAFTA, never mind negotiate a better deal. He never would have used surgical tariffs and the threat of more as a bulldozer to begin to level "free" trade to "fair" trade --- not only with Mexico and Canada, but with the EU and China (there's just so much hurt they can take).
The President has opened trade and business deals in the Mideast and Japan---none of this would have happened under Cruz, and no one would have expected it. The world would not acknowledge and respect Cruz's authority in the world of global economics, or invest in this nation based on it. Again, no one would have expected it.
On immigration, Cruz would never have been as tough as the President's been. Travel bans from terrorist countries? Nope, not with Cruz. The wall? It would have been jettisoned January21, 2017. Just look...it's not on his radar during his reelection campaign.
Foreign policy? We'd have never heard the words "Rocket Man". There would have never been a summit between Cruz and Kim Jung-Un. North Korea and South Korea would not be talking peace and reunification. Cruz would have followed the advice of the "experts", past and present, at the State Department.
Allies would not be upping their payments for their own defense and participation in NATO. This took Donald Trump.
Americans wouldn't be rallying around the flag, once again. This took leadership and courage. Cruz never would have waded into the kneeling for the flag demonstrations. He still hasn't.
I am not saying Ted Cruz is without gifts. He is a fierce supporter of social conservatism. He embraces limited spending (although not yet ready to announce any cuts to the budget). I believe his support of our military is sincere and reliable. I think he would have nominated justices to the Supreme Court of equal stature deeply rooted in the Constitution as has the President.
But there is nothing so unique about Ted Cruz that jettisons him to the top of the heap or draws American voters to his side. Being a constitutionalist is not enough in the political theater to wake people at 5:00 am on a cold November morning to vote for him --- I just don't see a majority of citizens standing in line thinking "this guy gets ME ... he's one of us". And this is the last difference between Ted Cruz and the President I'll make here.
Full disclaimer: I do not hate Ted Cruz. He is a valuable voice and vote in the US Senate. I hope to God Texas returns him to Washington, DC in November.
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I will not refute your reasoned assertions @Right_in_Virginia
We will respectfully agree to disagree as we sometimes do.
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I will not refute your reasoned assertions @Right_in_Virginia
We will respectfully agree to disagree as we sometimes do.
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Cool. How about you take a minute and tell me what "more" Cruz would have accomplished as you asserted? @corbe
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Cruz wouldn't have started the Trade/Tariff Wars. Cruz would not be funding pp and signing $1.2T yearly budgets. I think, too, he would have got further along on Immigration Control. He also wouldn't have the distractions of Stormy/Avanetti and McDougal in spite of what Pecker could publish. Heidi didn't do 'soft p0rn' either.
Sure most is speculation on both of our parts BUT you did ask.
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Cruz wouldn't have started the Trade/Tariff Wars.
That's because he is a loud mouth stooge and doesn't have a problem with the US getting the shaft in these Globalist agenda trade agreements we had in place.
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Cruz wouldn't have started the Trade/Tariff Wars.
What war? We won before it started. :laugh:
Cruz would not be funding pp and signing $1.2T yearly budgets.
Cruz would be doing it too. Unless one of his magic powers is being able to erase Congress from the Constitution.
I think, too, he would have got further along on Immigration Control.
Nah. W would have convinced him to backburner this.
He also wouldn't have the distractions of Stormy/Avanetti and McDougal in spite of what Pecker could publish. Heidi didn't do 'soft p0rn' either.
By the Grace of God we'll never know what the media has in its bag of goodies against Cruz. And we KNOW that bag is full.
@corbe :beer:
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What war? We won before it started. :laugh:
I hope we do, but we certainly haven't at this point.
Cruz would be doing it too. Unless one of his magic powers is being able to eliminate Congress from the Constitution.
Signing those bills? I don't think so.
Nah. W would have convinced him to backburner this.
You do realize that he and W are mortal enemies, and over the issue of illegal immigration. W is for it and Cruz isn't.
By the Grace of God we'll never know what the media has in its bag of goodies against Cruz. And we KNOW that bag is full.
@corbe
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Cruz wouldn't have started the Trade/Tariff Wars. Cruz would not be funding pp and signing $1.2T yearly budgets. I think, too, he would have got further along on Immigration Control. He also wouldn't have the distractions of Stormy/Avanetti and McDougal in spite of what Pecker could publish. Heidi didn't do 'soft p0rn' either.
Sure most is speculation on both of our parts BUT you did ask.
He has voted for funding PP two times over the last two years OR so including the budget with that aid over Hurricane Harvey (understandable) along with the last budget to keep the government open until December.
Anyway, I can think of another thing he would not have done, as a Senator in his fourth year, won the general election.
You veto the Budget, you shut down the government, his most recent budget vote, shows he wasn't keen to do that even.
Yes, the financial policy of the nation may well finally be looked at.
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Nah ... @Sanguine
But what are your thoughts on the entirety of my original post to Corbe? @corbe slid past quite a lot of that. :laugh:
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Nah ... @Sanguine
But what are your thoughts on the entirety of my original post to Corbe? @corbe slid past quite a lot of that. :laugh:
Um, I just gave you my thoughts. What specifically did you want to know?
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He has voted for funding PP two times over the last two years OR so including the budget with that aid over Hurricane Harvey (understandable) along with the last budget to keep the government open until December.
Anyway, I can think of another thing he would not have done, as a Senator in his fourth year, won the general election.
You veto the Budget, you shut down the government, his most recent budget vote, shows he wasn't keen to do that even.
Yes, the financial policy of the nation may well finally be looked at.
YES, @TomSea I'll admit Cruz voted for* that last CF they called a Budget but unlike 95% of the GOP, he voted AGAINST all the others, since 2013.
*That's what it cost him for Trump to campaign for him in Texas, which is stupid on multiple levels, he's obviously just a political ho like they all are, he's just haggling over price now in the 'new and improved' GOP.
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His vote was not needed for it to pass and he was Home Campaigning why fly back and vote for it (no Harvey funds, as you say), unless your kissing someone's azz. /JS
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That's because he is a loud mouth stooge and doesn't have a problem with the US getting the shaft in these Globalist agenda trade agreements we had in place.
Yea, renaming NAFTA to USMCA with a few tweaks, Yea Dairy, is phenomenal, not to mention US Steel, Lumber and now Farmers being bailed out by the $B's.
Sure he squeezed Mexico, Canada and the EU's balls for near negligible results, that's just who he is.
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You've made that painfully obvious @Once-Ler I hope it makes you happy.
It really does @Emjay . It's not a cure for Trump raising my taxes, dividing the country, and spending the future at his luxury resorts, but it does provide a sense of righteous ideological and intellectual superiority.
:patriot: Thank you for your wish for my happiness I also hope you're happy.
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Yea, renaming NAFTA to USMCA with a few tweaks, Yea Dairy, is phenomenal, not to mention US Steel, Lumber and now Farmers being bailed out by the $B's.
Sure he squeezed Mexico, Canada and the EU's balls for near negligible results, that's just who he is.
That's how Trump magic works. You take a building. Slap the Trump name on it...now it's desirable and luxurious.
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It really does @Emjay . It's not a cure for Trump raising my taxes, dividing the country, and spending the future at his luxury resorts, but it does provide a sense of righteous ideological and intellectual superiority.
:patriot: Thank you for your wish for my happiness I also hope you're happy.
Are you bout to snap, like the fake deacon from dallas, the hospital fecal stain removal engineer from michigan, and the scifi author with the equally filthy mouth, from texas.
They too held " righteous ideological and intellectual superiority"
In that regard, will you join the female NTer, here--that announced herself to be a genius?
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Are you bout to snap, like the fake deacon from dallas, the hospital fecal stain removal engineer from michigan, and the scifi author with the equally filthy mouth, from texas.
They too held " righteous ideological and intellectual superiority"
In that regard, will you join the female NTer, here--that announced herself to be a genius?
It's times like this @truth_seeker that I really regret reading posts here while stoned, That doozy of yours would have probably made sense otherwise. :smokin:
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Are you bout to snap, like the fake deacon from dallas, the hospital fecal stain removal engineer from michigan, and the scifi author with the equally filthy mouth, from texas.
They too held " righteous ideological and intellectual superiority"
In that regard, will you join the female NTer, here--that announced herself to be a genius?
Whatever you're talking about is so vague I have already lost interest. Get a grip.
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In that regard, will you join the female NTer, here--that announced herself to be a genius?
@truth_seeker
So did Trump.
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Kavanaugh should not have written that piece for the WSJ. Unreal.
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Um, I just gave you my thoughts. What specifically did you want to know?
Honestly @Sanguine, my curiosity is just not this piqued. But thanks.
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Yea, renaming NAFTA to USMCA with a few tweaks,
Name the tweaks. :smokin:
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@truth_seeker
So did Trump.
Wonderful. He is proving himself to be quite extraordinary, too, when measured by accomplishments during office.
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Mexico must raise their minimum wage in the auto factories to $15 and an expanded US Dairy Market in Canada, though even that is debatable until we get more facts. @Right_in_Virginia
Lumber and Steel didn't change and are being subsidized by the American consumer, as are the Farmers.
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Wonderful. He is proving himself to be quite extraordinary, too, when measured by accomplishments during office.
@truth_seeker
Lol, there’s no love like cult love.
Yet you dismiss the TBR member—-whom you won’t name or ping, & instead talk behind her back—-whom you say made the same claim. Without knowing the first thing about her.
You base your decision on pure emotion, just like the women we’ve seen reacting to Kavanaugh.
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Name the tweaks. :smokin:
Under the new deal, which will be called USMCA, Canada will set new quotas for dairy imports from the United States. It will still put tariffs on dairy products that exceed the quotas, ranging from 200% to 300%.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/02/politics/usmca-canada-dairy/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/02/politics/usmca-canada-dairy/index.html)
The tweak is the name ...It sounds like the Marines dude!!!
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Honestly @Sanguine, my curiosity is just not this piqued. But thanks.
OK. BTW - piqued either is or isn't, it's not a matter of degrees.
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truth_seeker writes:
"Had Amy Barrett been the nominee, we would have witnessed the Left, crucify her for her honest, deeply held Catholic religious convictions."
Ms. Barrett is going to become the next nominee, when Ginsburg exits (unless Clarence Thomas retires at the end of the current term, next summer).
The Kavanaugh imbroglio is gonna look like tea and crumpets when Mr. Trump nominates her.
Will the Pubbies still be willing to do what it takes to win?
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truth_seeker writes:
"Had Amy Barrett been the nominee, we would have witnessed the Left, crucify her for her honest, deeply held Catholic religious convictions."
Ms. Barrett is going to become the next nominee, when Ginsburg exits (unless Clarence Thomas retires at the end of the current term, next summer).
The Kavanaugh imbroglio is gonna look like tea and crumpets when Mr. Trump nominates her.
Will the Pubbies still be willing to do what it takes to win?
Iam moderately optimistic, about the GOP.
It took Trump, to give them the chance.
But whenever I see the names Flake, Sasse, I think of certain diehard NTers here.
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truth_seeker writes:
"Had Amy Barrett been the nominee, we would have witnessed the Left, crucify her for her honest, deeply held Catholic religious convictions."
Ms. Barrett is going to become the next nominee, when Ginsburg exits (unless Clarence Thomas retires at the end of the current term, next summer).
The Kavanaugh imbroglio is gonna look like tea and crumpets when Mr. Trump nominates her.
Will the Pubbies still be willing to do what it takes to win?
Ruth will not retire voluntarily. She just won't. But the recent video showing her in a state of Alzheimer's like confusion may indicate an involuntary retirement is on the docket.
But the dems will be a bit handicapped in opposing Amy Barrett. They will risk looking like anti-woman bullies. If we can get Kavanaugh signed and sealed, I am not at all worried about Barrett.
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Erickson? Wow.
I follow him on Twitter and he's been out there supporting the Kavanaugh nomination almost from the start.
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Wonderful. He is proving himself to be quite extraordinary, too, when measured by accomplishments during office.
Not really...he's about average.
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Had Amy Barret been the nominee, we would have witnessed the Left, crucify her for her honest, deeply held Catholic religious convictions.
I hope to see that next. Because these leftists are truly evil. They are NOT Nordic Socialists. They are Soviet/Chinese Marxists.
They are toying, with violent overthrow.
@truth_seeker the reality of the situation is that had Trump renominated Merrick Garland the left would have opposed him as strongly as they are Kavanaugh and will surely opposed Barrett.
It's not the nominee they despise so much as it is the person nominating them.
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@truth_seeker the reality of the situation is that had Trump renominated Merrick Garland the left would have opposed him as strongly as they are Kavanaugh and will surely opposed Barrett.
It's not the nominee they despise so much as it is the person nominating them.
They do despise Trump, but the shifting balance in the SCOTUS is what has them super-agitated. This is how they've been accomplishing their goals for a long time, by ignoring Congress and going to the SCOTUS.
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They do despise Trump, but the shifting balance in the SCOTUS is what has them super-agitated. This is how they've been accomplishing their goals for a long time, by ignoring Congress and going to the SCOTUS.
And its ;one overdue that it be put in check as well. The SCOTUS was never intended to be used in the way the Dems use it. The Framers made the judicial branch the weakest for a reason. The Dems have turned it into the strongest.
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@truth_seeker the reality of the situation is that had Trump renominated Merrick Garland the left would have opposed him as strongly as they are Kavanaugh and will surely opposed Barrett.
It's not the nominee they despise so much as it is the person nominating them.
I have to strongly disagree with you on that @txradioguy Of course, they loathe Trump but anyone nominated to be on the Court who was perceived to be fair and not liberal would have been opposed just as strongly. As @Sanguine pointed out, the lefties have been using judges to get their agenda done for years. They cannot do it without them.
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I have to strongly disagree with you on that @txradioguy Of course, they loathe Trump but anyone nominated to be on the Court who was perceived to be fair and not liberal would have been opposed just as strongly. As @Sanguine pointed out, the lefties have been using judges to get their agenda done for years. They cannot do it without them.
You severely underestimate how party trumps all when it comes to the Dems. Just the fact a Republican nominates anyone is automatic grounds to oppose them as strongly as the can.
Please don't kid yourself on that one.
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You severely underestimate how party trumps all when it comes to the Dems. Just the fact a Republican nominates anyone is automatic grounds to oppose them as strongly as the can.
Please don't kid yourself on that one.
I'm not kidding myself on this one @txradioguy I think the importance of a liberal court to the dems cannot be overestimated. I honestly think they would have tried to burn any nominee from anybody who could assumed to be fair.
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@truth_seeker the reality of the situation is that had Trump renominated Merrick Garland the left would have opposed him as strongly as they are Kavanaugh and will surely opposed Barrett.
It's not the nominee they despise so much as it is the person nominating them.
Unadulterated bullshit.
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Unadulterated bullshit.
Not necessarily. Just go back to Souter. Sununu thought he’d be an easy confirmation, because he was a relatively blank slate. Dems opposed him vociferously and he ended up being one of the more liberal members for a very long time.
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Not necessarily. Just go back to Souter. Sununu thought he’d be an easy confirmation, because he was a relatively blank slate. Dems opposed him vociferously and he ended up being one of the more liberal members for a very long time.
Yeah....and AG Sessions should look into the possibility that Souter's FBI file was one of the 800 found in the White House living quarters...with Hillary's fingerprints all over them.
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Yeah....and AG Sessions should look into the possibility that Souter's FBI file was one of the 800 found in the White House living quarters...with Hillary's fingerprints all over them.
He didn’t require coercion. He was pretty much a disappointment out of the gate.
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Unadulterated bullshit.
So Dems don't despise Trump? You're saying it's "unadulterated bullshit" that he could nominate the Pope and they'd trash his pick as being unfit?
How do you figure that? I'm curious to know.
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Unadulterated bullshit.
That was my first take, and even after some thought I think it's extremely improbable. I really doubt the rats would refuse a gift from Trump just because he is Trump. The rats were perfectly willing to sign on to huge spending bills and only the most "progressive" ones are slamming the tariffs. The rats would jump onboard for Garland or a judge of similar philosophy.
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DemocratUnderground.com is in complete meltdown mode right now over this.
There's even the obligatory "I'm moving to Canada" thread. :silly:
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DemocratUnderground.com is in complete meltdown mode right now over this.
There's even the obligatory "I'm moving to Canada" thread. :silly:
I'll have to go look.
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I'll have to go look.
@Sanguine
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211240126 (https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211240126)
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Ok I admit I have not read a single post in this thread besides reading the headline...
Trump is so flawed as a leader, a politician and as a human being that this "Never Trump" will never support him. The Trump cult can pass that doobie among themselves but I'll pass.. :shrug:
I think the Judge will vote pretty much as Kennedy has on most cases and on the social issues he will rename the opinions he wrote for Kennedy as a clerk but the outcome won't change..
The fact is as much as I'd like to see it Roe will never be overturned. This circus over Kavanaugh shows that it may be the one/only issue that motivates the base on both sides to keep electing the idiots in Washington... :shrug:
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“Trump is so flawed as a leader, a politician and as a human being...â€
In two years Trump has accomplished more for conservatives and constitutionists than all the recent republican politicians put together.
Before you pass judgment on President Trump... read a newspaper why don’t you. Your ignorance is a glaring embarrassment. @montanajoe
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“Trump is so flawed as a leader, a politician and as a human being...â€
In two years Trump has accomplished more for conservatives and constitutionists than all the recent republican politicians put together.
Before you pass judgment on President Trump... read a newspaper why don’t you. Your ignorance is a glaring embarrassment. @montanajoe
Amen, brother!
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“Trump is so flawed as a leader, a politician and as a human being...â€
In two years Trump has accomplished more for conservatives and constitutionists than all the recent republican politicians put together.
Before you pass judgment on President Trump... read a newspaper why don’t you. Your ignorance is a glaring embarrassment. @montanajoe
Um.....
which newspaper should he read? Do you have a list of Trump-approved sources for the ""non-ignorant"" and ""non-embarrassing"" members here?
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The thing is, if you're a Republican and you don't like Trump, he'll be gone in 2 years -- 6 tops. But what the Democrats and leftists have becoming/are becoming isn't going away. If they get power again, they may never give it up. Supreme Court packing, "voting reform"... you name it. All are realistic possibilities that I wouldn't have thought they'd dare try even a few years ago.
The country can recover from Trump. It may never recover from the left gaining power because the elections and judiciary will be permanently rigged.
@Maj. Bill Martin
This is the salient point. This fight is not Trump vs the Left....that is just one battle in the war.
The "War" is the Left vs every tradition we have of jurisprudence...to include the very basic tenets of presumption of innocence and the concept of due process...republican governance, fairness, and belief in American exceptionalism. While NT's may never approve of our current General in our current battle, let's hope they have the wisdom to perceive the wider war and to fight in that larger cause against the Left. It seems to me that this Kavanaugh ugliness has opened their eyes to the true danger of radical Leftism seizing power in this country...whether Trump sits in the White House or any other Republican.
I don't like rubbing their (NT's) noses in what I perceive as the error of mis-characterizing the President...I think many of them already see their mistake but pride holds them to their position...others will never be able to reconcile their gut level dislike of the President's style and mannerisms. That's just the way it is and that's OK as long as these folks can see who their REAL enemy is. So, its better I believe, to give them (NT's) credit for engaging in the broader culture war and for joining the rest of us in pushing back the Leftist nightmare that is now grasping for power. If they can do that while disliking the President than at least we can work together in situations such as this current nomination fight.
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This is the salient point. This fight is not Trump vs the Left....that is just one battle in the war.
The "War" is the Left vs every tradition we have of jurisprudence...to include the very basic tenets of presumption of innocence and the concept of due process...republican governance, fairness, and belief in American exceptionalism. While NT's may never approve of our current General in our current battle, let's hope they have the wisdom to perceive the wider war and to fight in that larger cause against the Left. It seems to me that this Kavanaugh ugliness has opened their eyes to the true danger of radical Leftism seizing power in this country...whether Trump sits in the White House or any other Republican.
I don't like rubbing their (NT's) noses in what I perceive as the error of mis-characterizing the President...I think many of them already see their mistake but pride holds them to their position...others will never be able to reconcile their gut level dislike of the President's style and mannerisms. That's just the way it is and that's OK as long as these folks can see who their REAL enemy is. So, its better I believe, to give them (NT's) credit for engaging in the broader culture war and for joining the rest of us in pushing back the Leftist nightmare that is now grasping for power. If they can do that while disliking the President than at least we can work together in situations such as this current nomination fight.
Very wise viewpoint, IMO.
:thumbsup:
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I don't like rubbing their (NT's) noses in what I perceive as the error of mis-characterizing the President...I think many of them already see their mistake but pride holds them to their position...others will never be able to reconcile their gut level dislike of the President's style and mannerisms.
That's just the way it is and that's OK as long as these folks can see who their REAL enemy is. So, its better I believe, to give them (NT's) credit for engaging in the broader culture war and for joining the rest of us in pushing back the Leftist nightmare that is now grasping for power. If they can do that while disliking the President than at least we can work together in situations such as this current nomination fight.
Well said.
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This is the salient point. This fight is not Trump vs the Left....that is just one battle in the war.
The "War" is the Left vs every tradition we have of jurisprudence...to include the very basic tenets of presumption of innocence and the concept of due process...republican governance, fairness, and belief in American exceptionalism. While NT's may never approve of our current General in our current battle, let's hope they have the wisdom to perceive the wider war and to fight in that larger cause against the Left. It seems to me that this Kavanaugh ugliness has opened their eyes to the true danger of radical Leftism seizing power in this country...whether Trump sits in the White House or any other Republican.
I don't like rubbing their (NT's) noses in what I perceive as the error of mis-characterizing the President...I think many of them already see their mistake but pride holds them to their position...others will never be able to reconcile their gut level dislike of the President's style and mannerisms. That's just the way it is and that's OK as long as these folks can see who their REAL enemy is. So, its better I believe, to give them (NT's) credit for engaging in the broader culture war and for joining the rest of us in pushing back the Leftist nightmare that is now grasping for power. If they can do that while disliking the President than at least we can work together in situations such as this current nomination fight.
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VERY well said @Mesaclone! Hopefully, you can convince some others here that this is the path to follow.
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Well said.
....cept the part where he says he "... won't rub their noses in it".
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VERY well said @Mesaclone! Hopefully, you can convince some others here that this is the path to follow.
All too often...as Republicans/Conservatives...we are like the Jin and the Song fighting each other to the death as Gehghis Khan and the Mongol Hordes sweep through China (Yes, I'm in the middle of a great book about Genghis!).
I'll never understand how the infight takes priority over the approaching Horde...its pure idiocy...yet, historically it happens again and again in both politics and warfare.
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All too often...as Republicans/Conservatives...we are like the Jin and the Song fighting each other to the death as Gehghis Khan and the Mongol Hordes sweep through China (Yes, I'm in the middle of a great book about Genghis!).
I'll never understand how the infight takes priority over the approaching Horde...its pure idiocy...yet, historically it happens again and again in both politics and warfare.
Also very true! I have said MANY times previously that we all mostly want to go to the same place but never get anywhere because we spend all of our time arguing about which car we should ride in.
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Iam moderately optimistic, about the GOP.
It took Trump, to give them the chance.
But whenever I see the names Flake, Sasse, I think of certain diehard NTers here.
Really? Ben Sasse was a Kavanaugh supporter from the start and stuck with him through this ugly character assassination by the left.
Another post for the trash can.
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All too often...as Republicans/Conservatives...we are like the Jin and the Song fighting each other to the death as Gehghis Khan and the Mongol Hordes sweep through China (Yes, I'm in the middle of a great book about Genghis!).
I'll never understand how the infight takes priority over the approaching Horde...its pure idiocy...yet, historically it happens again and again in both politics and warfare.
Well, the world is officially upside down. The ACLU and the left is fighting to convict a guy based on no evidence, Republican senators are with one exception, acting with honor and dignity, and Mesaclone is making the most sense of all of us on this thread. Very well said, @Mesaclone.
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....cept the part where he says he "... won't rub their noses in it".
:smokin:
Actually, that's the most important @Mesaclone wrote in his excellent post. It frankly is ridiculous and juvenile how some people insist on doing the "I was right and you were wrong" dance, regardless of whether the issue is Trump or something else. Very often, that is the match that lights off the explosion around here. It not only destroys good discussion, but it divides people and causes them to dig in their heels. It actually works against the political interests of the very people doing that juvenile dance.
No decent-sized group of people is every going to agree on everything. The rational person will put aside grudges to unite temporary on those issues where there is agreement. The irrational, petty person decides to hold opinions on other issues against people, and will refuse to work together even on those issues where there is agreement. Those doing the "I was right and you were wrong dance" are just doing a different variant of that; deliberately pissing off people who are trying to come together on a particular issue.
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Actually, that's the most important @Mesaclone wrote in his excellent post. It frankly is ridiculous and juvenile how some people insist on doing the "I was right and you were wrong" dance, regardless of whether the issue is Trump or something else. Very often, that is the match that lights off the explosion around here. It not only destroys good discussion, but it divides people and causes them to dig in their heels. It actually works against the political interests of the very people doing that juvenile dance.
No decent-sized group of people is every going to agree on everything. The rational person will put aside grudges to unite temporary on those issues where there is agreement. The irrational, petty person decides to hold opinions on other issues against people, and will refuse to work together even on those issues where there is agreement. Those doing the "I was right and you were wrong dance" are just doing a different variant of that; deliberately pissing off people who are trying to come together on a particular issue.
888high58888
The logic apparently escapes certain members here.
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“Trump is so flawed as a leader, a politician and as a human being...â€
In two years Trump has accomplished more for conservatives and constitutionists than all the recent republican politicians put together.
Before you pass judgment on President Trump... read a newspaper why don’t you. Your ignorance is a glaring embarrassment. @montanajoe
Before you chastise someone for being ignorant @aligncare , I suggest you check your posts for spelling and grammatical errors..."constitutionists" s/b "constitutionalists".
I find most of your posts tedious, but feel free to keep chastising us Never Trumpers. Seems like every time I start leaning toward getting on the Trump Train, I can count on you, or several other like minded Orange Brigadiers, to shake me back to my senses. :rolling:
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888high58888
The logic apparently escapes certain members here.
@XenaLee , the hell with logic!!! :rolling:
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Actually, that's the most important @Mesaclone wrote in his excellent post. It frankly is ridiculous and juvenile how some people insist on doing the "I was right and you were wrong" dance, regardless of whether the issue is Trump or something else. Very often, that is the match that lights off the explosion around here. It not only destroys good discussion, but it divides people and causes them to dig in their heels. It actually works against the political interests of the very people doing that juvenile dance.
No decent-sized group of people is every going to agree on everything. The rational person will put aside grudges to unite temporary on those issues where there is agreement. The irrational, petty person decides to hold opinions on other issues against people, and will refuse to work together even on those issues where there is agreement. Those doing the "I was right and you were wrong dance" are just doing a different variant of that; deliberately pissing off people who are trying to come together on a particular issue.
:amen: :amen: and :amen: again!
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888high58888
The logic apparently escapes certain members here.
How very true that is @XenaLee! It's really sad!
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@XenaLee , the hell with logic!!! :rolling:
Yeah... that does seem to be their motto. :whistle:
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Actually, that's the most important @Mesaclone wrote in his excellent post. It frankly is ridiculous and juvenile how some people insist on doing the "I was right and you were wrong" dance, regardless of whether the issue is Trump or something else. Very often, that is the match that lights off the explosion around here. It not only destroys good discussion, but it divides people and causes them to dig in their heels. It actually works against the political interests of the very people doing that juvenile dance.
No decent-sized group of people is every going to agree on everything. The rational person will put aside grudges to unite temporary on those issues where there is agreement. The irrational, petty person decides to hold opinions on other issues against people, and will refuse to work together even on those issues where there is agreement. Those doing the "I was right and you were wrong dance" are just doing a different variant of that; deliberately pissing off people who are trying to come together on a particular issue.
Additionally, the ATs constant demand for compliance will result in a #walkaway movement on the right, just like the SCOTUS drama has caused on the left.
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Before you chastise someone for being ignorant @aligncare , I suggest you check your posts for spelling and grammatical errors..."constitutionists" s/b "constitutionalists".
I find most of your posts tedious, but feel free to keep chastising us Never Trumpers. Seems like every time I start leaning toward getting on the Trump Train, I can count on you, or several other like minded Orange Brigadiers, to shake me back to my senses. :rolling:
It's uncanny how that works. When things are going great (like right now)... is when they are at their frothiest (sp?) worst....lol.
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@Maj. Bill Martin
This is the salient point. This fight is not Trump vs the Left....that is just one battle in the war.
The "War" is the Left vs every tradition we have of jurisprudence...to include the very basic tenets of presumption of innocence and the concept of due process...republican governance, fairness, and belief in American exceptionalism. While NT's may never approve of our current General in our current battle, let's hope they have the wisdom to perceive the wider war and to fight in that larger cause against the Left. It seems to me that this Kavanaugh ugliness has opened their eyes to the true danger of radical Leftism seizing power in this country...whether Trump sits in the White House or any other Republican.
I don't like rubbing their (NT's) noses in what I perceive as the error of mis-characterizing the President...I think many of them already see their mistake but pride holds them to their position...others will never be able to reconcile their gut level dislike of the President's style and mannerisms. That's just the way it is and that's OK as long as these folks can see who their REAL enemy is. So, its better I believe, to give them (NT's) credit for engaging in the broader culture war and for joining the rest of us in pushing back the Leftist nightmare that is now grasping for power. If they can do that while disliking the President than at least we can work together in situations such as this current nomination fight.
In principle, you’re right. But it’s such a downer around here, they’re constantly harshing my buzz, you know what I mean?
The country elected a man finally who takes no guff from democrats/media/the Left and some bone heads around here join the Left in their assault on Donald Trump’s character and presidency... When the Right agrees with the Left – it’s time for them to think things through. Someone could accuse them of sympathizing with the Left.
Great things are happening in America only because a businessman from Queens, a citizen politician decided to get involved. As for me, I’ve had enough of these nevers and I won’t hold my fire any more.
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The "War" is the Left vs every tradition we have of jurisprudence...to include the very basic tenets of presumption of innocence and the concept of due process...republican governance, fairness, and belief in American exceptionalism. While NT's may never approve of our current General in our current battle, let's hope they have the wisdom to perceive the wider war and to fight in that larger cause against the Left.
Nope.
I’m content and happy just sitting back and watching the Trumplicans slug it out politically with the Left, the Democrats, and their agenda that they pretend to oppose. They do not want liberty - they want payback and blood. They want retribution in-kind. They want to rub everyones face in the dirt that is not goose-stepping in lockstep to Trump. They want freedom to do what they want and have as they please with free money that both entities applaud their monarchs print to spend out of thin air.
I’ve washed my hands of the whole sick cultish mess and I have no interest in aligning myself with whichever debt-spending/cultural hedonist/ Statist/Collectivist/Populist mob is going to triumph over the other. I am their common enemy and both of them have made that fact crystal clear.
So I’m just reading the putrid miasma, laughing about it all and taking notes. I’m done getting worked up about it. Let them have their rallies, ‘wins’ and coming street violence. Let them have their war. The witness and warnings were given and ignored. I am resolved and content to watch them eat the bitter and rotten fruit of the consequences they worked so hard to achieve.
I no longer care if they burn it all down or when that sword of Damocles they keep ignoring takes them out and most of the country with it. Maybe amidst the ashes and bewilderment they might consider and repent of what they eschewed with vitriol and disgust. But I highly doubt it. The hearts have hardened and when this spoiled people suffer what they have sown, they will harden yet further and seek to rip flesh with their teeth from those they hate and blame.
The last few months demonstrated the fact that a good chunk of them hate the principles and positions I align with, more than they hate the Democrat Leftists.
So be it.
In the long-term, it doesn’t matter.
I’m fighting a completely and totally different war than they are anyway… the war that actually matters in the long-term.
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Nope.
I’m content and happy just sitting back and watching the Trumplicans slug it out politically with the Left, the Democrats, and their agenda that they pretend to oppose. They do not want liberty - they want payback and blood. They want retribution in-kind. They want to rub everyones face in the dirt that is not goose-stepping in lockstep to Trump. They want freedom to do what they want and have as they please with free money that both entities applaud their monarchs print to spend out of thin air.
I’ve washed my hands of the whole sick cultish mess and I have no interest in aligning myself with whichever debt-spending/cultural hedonist/ Statist/Collectivist/Populist mob is going to triumph over the other. I am their common enemy and both of them have made that fact crystal clear.
So I’m just reading the putrid miasma, laughing about it all and taking notes. I’m done getting worked up about it. Let them have their rallies, ‘wins’ and coming street violence. Let them have their war. The witness and warnings were given and ignored. I am resolved and content to watch them eat the bitter and rotten fruit of the consequences they worked so hard to achieve.
I no longer care if they burn it all down or when that sword of Damocles they keep ignoring takes them out and most of the country with it. Maybe amidst the ashes and bewilderment they might consider and repent of what they eschewed with vitriol and disgust. But I highly doubt it. The hearts have hardened and when this spoiled people suffer what they have sown, they will harden yet further and seek to rip flesh with their teeth from those they hate and blame.
The last few months demonstrated the fact that a good chunk of them hate the principles and positions I align with, more than they hate the Democrat Leftists.
So be it.
In the long-term, it doesn’t matter.
I’m fighting a completely and totally different war than they are anyway… the war that actually matters in the long-term.
Please don't judge all Trump supporters/voters by a few malcontents that post here on a political debate forum. You do the majority of level-headed, non-emotional folks that support Trump against the radical left a huge disservice by lumping them in with the usual suspects here, IMO. They do NOT represent the majority of said supporters ....and in the long run, what they think here, say here or want matters not. Not to me, and not to any logical, thinking, intelligent person. JS.....
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Additionally, the ATs constant demand for compliance will result in a #walkaway movement on the right
No one is demanding compliance @goodwithagun This is just sloppy thinking.
And please stop threatening to do something you've already done--- it's silly.
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I’m fighting a completely and totally different war… .
Of course you are. :laugh:
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No one is demanding compliance @goodwithagun This is just sloppy thinking.
And please stop threatening to do something you've already done--- it's silly.
@Right_in_Virginia
That’s just bullshit and you know it. Over the last 20 months there are innumerable examples of us being told that we are not compliant enough. Sorry, but that dog won’t hunt. Hell that dog won’t even get out of the kennel.
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Please don't judge all Trump supporters/voters by a few malcontents that post here on a political debate forum. You do the majority of level-headed, non-emotional folks that support Trump against the radical left a huge disservice by lumping them in with the usual suspects here, IMO. They do NOT represent the majority of said supporters ....and in the long run, what they think here, say here or want matters not. Not to me, and not to any logical, thinking, intelligent person. JS.....
You can't martyr yourself unless you claim persecution.
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In principle, you’re right. But it’s such a downer around here, they’re constantly harshing my buzz, you know what I mean?
The country elected a man finally who takes no guff from democrats/media/the Left and some bone heads around here join the Left in their assault on Donald Trump’s character and presidency... When the Right agrees with the Left – it’s time for them to think things through. Someone could accuse them of sympathizing with the Left.
Great things are happening in America only because a businessman from Queens, a citizen politician decided to get involved. As for me, I’ve had enough of these nevers and I won’t hold my fire any more.
@aligncare
Thank you for beautifully illustrating, especially in replying to THAT particular post by @Maj. Bill Martin that in your mind it really IS all about you. Couldn’t have said it better myself.
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Additionally, the ATs constant demand for compliance will result in a #walkaway movement on the right, just like the SCOTUS drama has caused on the left.
Exactly. That's why I said those who insist on doing the "I was right and you were wrong" dance are actually acting against their own political interests. Apparently, their spite is more important to them than are the issue about which they supposedly care so much.
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@Maj. Bill Martin
This is the salient point. This fight is not Trump vs the Left....that is just one battle in the war.
The "War" is the Left vs every tradition we have of jurisprudence...to include the very basic tenets of presumption of innocence and the concept of due process...republican governance, fairness, and belief in American exceptionalism. While NT's may never approve of our current General in our current battle, let's hope they have the wisdom to perceive the wider war and to fight in that larger cause against the Left. It seems to me that this Kavanaugh ugliness has opened their eyes to the true danger of radical Leftism seizing power in this country...whether Trump sits in the White House or any other Republican.
I don't like rubbing their (NT's) noses in what I perceive as the error of mis-characterizing the President...I think many of them already see their mistake but pride holds them to their position...others will never be able to reconcile their gut level dislike of the President's style and mannerisms. That's just the way it is and that's OK as long as these folks can see who their REAL enemy is. So, its better I believe, to give them (NT's) credit for engaging in the broader culture war and for joining the rest of us in pushing back the Leftist nightmare that is now grasping for power. If they can do that while disliking the President than at least we can work together in situations such as this current nomination fight.
Graciously put @Mesaclone, but it would be easier to do if they could bring themselves to refrain from insulting anyone who voices support for Trump. I haven't been called an Orange Baboon lately, so I guess that's something.
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Please don't judge all Trump supporters/voters by a few malcontents that post here on a political debate forum. You do the majority of level-headed, non-emotional folks that support Trump against the radical left a huge disservice by lumping them in with the usual suspects here, IMO. They do NOT represent the majority of said supporters ....and in the long run, what they think here, say here or want matters not. Not to me, and not to any logical, thinking, intelligent person. JS.....
I make that statement based not only via what's being said online, but also what I'm hearing and engaged with in the meat world.
It's not just a few, and I daresay you may very well be a shrinking minority of level-headed non-emoting GOP/Trumps supporters as the polarized effects of what's going on widens.
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@Right_in_Virginia
That’s just bullshit and you know it. Over the last 20 months there are innumerable examples of us being told that we are not compliant enough. Sorry, but that dog won’t hunt. Hell that dog won’t even get out of the kennel.
Hi! Sunshine.
Maybe it's time to get over yourself. I don't give a rat's ass what you do or do not do. If stomping your feet for 20 more months works for you @Axeslinger --- I'm not going to try and talk you out of it.
But in all honesty, your snowflake victim charade is terribly disappointing.
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Before you chastise someone for being ignorant @aligncare , I suggest you check your posts for spelling and grammatical errors..."constitutionists" s/b "constitutionalists".
I find most of your posts tedious, but feel free to keep chastising us Never Trumpers. Seems like every time I start leaning toward getting on the Trump Train, I can count on you, or several other like minded Orange Brigadiers, to shake me back to my senses. :rolling:
@Night Hides Not I try not to chastise NTers. I was one myself for a long time. But you just referred to Trump supporters as Orange Brigadiers, which I admit is a step up from Orange Apes, but still not helpful.
It would be so self-defeating if you let these same Orange colored folks color your opinions to the point that you would refuse to give Trump credit even if you saw that it was deserved and kinda wanted to.
Both sides have been a little cranky with each other and you know that. But we would welcome you very warmly into the fold.
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Maybe it's time to get over yourself. I don't give a rat's ass what you do or do not do.
That's complete and utter bullshit right there.
If you don't give a rat's ass, you wouldn't be so damn concerned about Conservatives who do not support Trump 'getting over themselves'.
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Graciously put @Mesaclone, but it would be easier to do if they could bring themselves to refrain from insulting anyone who voices support for Trump. I haven't been called an Orange Baboon lately, so I guess that's something.
@Emjay -- it should be relatively easy to be gracious when you're winning. Name-calling and attempts to incite in-fighting are tools used by some NT'ers to try to prevent people from rallying together. When you respond in kind, you are handing them a victory and helping to validate their persecution complexes. Do you really want to do that?
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If you don't give a rat's ass, you wouldn't be so damn concerned about Conservatives who do not support Trump 'getting over themselves'.
This is true.
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@Right_in_Virginia
That’s just bullshit and you know it. Over the last 20 months there are innumerable examples of us being told that we are not compliant enough. Sorry, but that dog won’t hunt. Hell that dog won’t even get out of the kennel.
Don't look now, but......
that dog's dead! :rolling:
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You can't martyr yourself unless you claim persecution.
Well the case could be made for persecution via harassment, insults and basic chiding, mocking and derision from a few of the usual suspect Trump fawns...er... fans.... against the resident Never Trumpers. I have witnessed it (and experienced it personally) since Day One of our arrival here from TOS. Depends on your perception and perspective.
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Exactly. That's why I said those who insist on doing the "I was right and you were wrong" dance are actually acting against their own political interests. Apparently, their spite is more important to them than are the issue about which they supposedly care so much.
You jumped the shark here, my friend. Your thesis is wrong and unhelpful.
We know we won. We worked hard for the victory everyone told us we could not, would not have. But we are past that ... gearing up and working for another victory come November. We have neither the need nor the time for "spite".
We also know with every passing day the President proves he is the right man at the right time. What you so wrongly label "spite" from the President's supporters is actually incredulous frustration with NTs. What the hell will it take for NTs to get over themselves and the "wounds" they've been nursing for three years?
Tell me, @Maj. Bill Martin -- what peace offering for defending Donald Trump, what mea culpa for winning the election, what act of self-flagellation for cheering the President's successes will satisfy the NT?
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Actually, that's the most important @Mesaclone wrote in his excellent post. It frankly is ridiculous and juvenile how some people insist on doing the "I was right and you were wrong" dance, regardless of whether the issue is Trump or something else. Very often, that is the match that lights off the explosion around here. It not only destroys good discussion, but it divides people and causes them to dig in their heels. It actually works against the political interests of the very people doing that juvenile dance.
No decent-sized group of people is every going to agree on everything. The rational person will put aside grudges to unite temporary on those issues where there is agreement. The irrational, petty person decides to hold opinions on other issues against people, and will refuse to work together even on those issues where there is agreement. Those doing the "I was right and you were wrong dance" are just doing a different variant of that; deliberately pissing off people who are trying to come together on a particular issue.
Oh please stop.
The Briefers that still BRAG about being NTs aren't worth crap.
And pray tell....name just ONE single NT Briefer who is, "...trying to come together on a particular issue".
...got all day.
I got your "issue" right here. Eff them.
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@Emjay -- it should be relatively easy to be gracious when you're winning. Name-calling and attempts to incite in-fighting are tools used by some NT'ers to try to prevent people from rallying together. When you respond in kind, you are handing them a victory and helping to validate their persecution complexes. Do you really want to do that?
Not really, Major. But sometimes I get provoked. I will try to remember your excellent advice in the future.
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Exactly. That's why I said those who insist on doing the "I was right and you were wrong" dance are actually acting against their own political interests. Apparently, their spite is more important to them than are the issue about which they supposedly care so much.
"Spite", my ass. It has nothing to do with anything.
THEY are the ones spiting. And they've been doing it since the Summer of 2015.
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“Trump is so flawed as a leader, a politician and as a human being...â€
In two years Trump has accomplished more for conservatives and constitutionists than all the recent republican politicians put together.
Before you pass judgment on President Trump... read a newspaper why don’t you. Your ignorance is a glaring embarrassment. @montanajoe
@aligncare
It's entirely permissible for @montanajoe to dislike Trump. It isn't a moral sin or a societal disgrace.
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Hi! Sunshine.
Maybe it's time to get over yourself. I don't give a rat's ass what you do or do not do. If stomping your feet for 20 more months works for you @Axeslinger --- I'm not going to try and talk you out of it.
But in all honesty, your snowflake victim charade is terribly disappointing.
So... let me get this straight. You are terribly disappointed.... yet you claim you don't give a rat's ass what he does. Logic challenged much? You contradicted yourself. :laugh:
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Column: When the Brett Kavanaugh circus ends, we won't forget your sins, Matt Damon
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/kass/ct-met-brett-kavanaugh-john-kass-20181004-story.html (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/kass/ct-met-brett-kavanaugh-john-kass-20181004-story.html)
@Maj. Bill Martin
@Mesaclone
:whistle:
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@aligncare
It's entirely permissible for @montanajoe to dislike Trump. It isn't a moral sin or a societal disgrace.
And yet, for that he is basically called ignorant. Ahmazing!
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@Right_in_Virginia
That’s just bullshit and you know it. Over the last 20 months there are innumerable examples of us being told that we are not compliant enough. Sorry, but that dog won’t hunt. Hell that dog won’t even get out of the kennel.
@Axeslinger
Which is why I'm not playing that game anymore. Screw it.
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I make that statement based not only via what's being said online, but also what I'm hearing and engaged with in the meat world.
It's not just a few, and I daresay you may very well be a shrinking minority of level-headed non-emoting GOP/Trumps supporters as the polarized effects of what's going on widens.
Well.... all of my friends, family (in various cities) and a few neighbors are now supporting Trump (against the left) and they are extremely level-headed (Ted Cruz-supporting) conservatives. I just find it very broad-brush painting there when you allow ... again, a scant few vitriolic "ever/always Trumpers" on this forum... to color your view of all of them. That's not a fair assessment. Like myself, they are against the Democrats radical leftists, so they will indeed support Trump's agenda of lower taxes, controlled immigration and border, more conservatives on the court and more jobs/less regulations.
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That's complete and utter bullshit right there.
If you don't give a rat's ass, you wouldn't be so damn concerned about Conservatives who do not support Trump 'getting over themselves'.
Exactly!
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You jumped the shark here, my friend. Your thesis is wrong and unhelpful.
We know we won. We worked hard for the victory everyone told us we could not, would not have. But we are past that ... gearing up and working for another victory come November. We have neither the need nor the time for "spite".
We also know with every passing day the President proves he is the right man at the right time. What you so wrongly label "spite" from the President's supporters is actually incredulous frustration with NTs. What the hell will it take for NTs to get over themselves and the "wounds" they've been nursing for three years?
Tell me, @Maj. Bill Martin -- what peace offering for defending Donald Trump, what mea culpa for winning the election, what act of self-flagellation for cheering the President's successes will satisfy the NT?
I’m used to arguing with liberals and Leftists and debunking their crazy talk. But, constantly having to beat back lies about Trump on a conservative website is...just wrong.
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Why do I think that most of the people claiming they will stop playing the blame game are secretly thinking up their next clever insult?
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@Night Hides Not I try not to chastise NTers. I was one myself for a long time. But you just referred to Trump supporters as Orange Brigadiers, which I admit is a step up from Orange Apes, but still not helpful.
It would be so self-defeating if you let these same Orange colored folks color your opinions to the point that you would refuse to give Trump credit even if you saw that it was deserved and kinda wanted to.
Both sides have been a little cranky with each other and you know that. But we would welcome you very warmly into the fold.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1a/Russian_Hare_Krishna_Devotee_on_Sankirtan.jpg)
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Why do I think that most of the people claiming they will stop playing the blame game are secretly thinking up their next clever insult?
Dam it, @Emjay You are good !!!
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And yet, for that he is basically called ignorant. Ahmazing!
@XenaLee
Yup. I remember the days when dislike of a politician/president wasn't heresy.
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Dam it, @Emjay You are good !!!
@Emjay
You flatter me with your attentions. You're too kind, really.
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This is true.
@Maj. Bill Martin @Mesaclone You all are two of the smartest, nicest guys on the whole forum.
Apparently the forum is not ready for you, but good try.
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What you so wrongly label "spite" from the President's supporters is actually incredulous frustration with NTs. What the hell will it take for NTs to get over themselves and the "wounds" they've been nursing for three years?
Not all of those who are/were NeverTrump are the same. Some will hang on to that designation as absolutists, and refuse to have anything to do with Trump or with any who support him. Others who may have been NT at some time have moderated to some degree. What you call the "frustration" you exhibit at the former end up alienating some of the latter.
Tell me, @Maj. Bill Martin -- what peace offering for defending Donald Trump, what mea culpa for winning the election, what act of self-flagellation for cheering the President's successes will satisfy the NT?
Again, they are not all the same. And to the extent there are some who you believe will never be "satisfied"...then why bother trying? You're beating your head against the wall fighting with those who cannot be convinced, and in the process alienating some who can.
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@Maj. Bill Martin @Mesaclone You all are two of the smartest, nicest guys on the whole forum.
Apparently the forum is not ready for you, but good try.
I don't think that's true @Emjay
The forum is more than ready. It's just a few holdouts who aren't.
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Column: When the Brett Kavanaugh circus ends, we won't forget your sins, Matt Damon
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/kass/ct-met-brett-kavanaugh-john-kass-20181004-story.html (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/kass/ct-met-brett-kavanaugh-john-kass-20181004-story.html)
@Maj. Bill Martin
@Mesaclone
:whistle:
I didn't even know SNL was still on.
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Dam it, @Emjay You are good !!!
:beer:
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I don't think that's true @Emjay
The forum is more than ready. It's just a few holdouts who aren't.
@Bigun I agree. I have definitely noticed a mellowing of a lot of people around here, perhaps brought on by our mutual horror at what happened to Judge Kavanaugh.
There are a few people who will never give up their Trump hatred but that's their problem.
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Not all of those who are/were NeverTrump are the same. Some will hang on to that designation as absolutists, and refuse to have anything to do with Trump or with any who support him. Others who may have been NT at some time have moderated to some degree. What you call the "frustration" you exhibit at the former end up alienating some of the latter.
Again, they are not all the same. And to the extent there are some who you believe will never be "satisfied"...then why bother trying? You're beating your head against the wall fighting with those who cannot be convinced, and in the process alienating some who can.
This ^ ^ !
And this logic has been presented to them previously, yet they still can't seem to grasp it.
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I didn't even know SNL was still on.
Hardly anybody does know @txradioguy . I can remember watching the late night comedians before they became politicians. But I understand Matt Damon did a turn as Judge Kavanaugh. He hasn't been that good since "I Bought a Zoo."
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@Maj. Bill Martin @Mesaclone You all are two of the smartest, nicest guys on the whole forum.
Apparently the forum is not ready for you, but good try.
Believe it or not, there has been some movement on this forum by some who were previously NeverTrump, all the time. Hell, I moved from where I was on Trump to where I am today. @Jazzhead has been at least somewhat radicalized by the way the Democrats have behaved on the Kavanaugh nomination. To the extent there are incorrigible Always Trumpers, who believe he does not wrong and condemn anyone who says otherwise, there's no point arguing with them to the contrary. And to the extent there are NeverTrumpers who are the flip side of that coin, there's no point arguing with them either.
But there are a lot of people along various points of that continuum who respect and respond best to those who are not so nasty/dogmatic. Like many people here, I came over from TOS after being sent to the kids' table (having posts pre-approved) simply because I questioned Trump. And to be honest, a lot of my anti-Trump feelings were actually anger at some of his kookier/nastier supporters. I was so angry at the TOS AlwaysTrump nutbags -- who were nasty to the core towards anyone who questioned their Messiah -- that I didn't want to give them the satisfaction of supporting Trump. When I left TOS and came here, I had a lot less exposure to those thoroughly annoying people. @Mesaclone was an early Trump supporter who was not a nutbag, and as I read his posts, the anger I felt at Trump because of his TOS supporters dissipated, and I thankfully ended up casting my vote based on the candidate, not based on his most annoying supporters.
The biggest problem here are the generalizations made about "NeverTrumpers" and "AlwaysTrumpers". The vast majority of people and posters here and elsewhere do not fit the stereotypes their opposites like to imagine.
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If anyone wants to see what real honest to God "never trumpers" look and sound like...stroll over to DemocratUnderground.
Everything people get accused of being...actually manifests itself in every poster over there...and it's comedy gold.
For example:
WhiskeyWulf (49 posts)
Bind Kavanaugh: Emergency Ritual for the #MagicResistance
https://extranewsfeed.com/bind-kavanaugh-emergency-working-for-the-magicresistance-cbd51ee3b3a4 (https://extranewsfeed.com/bind-kavanaugh-emergency-working-for-the-magicresistance-cbd51ee3b3a4)
"The following ritual is a variant of my #MeToo spell, which may be found in my newly published book, Magic for the Resistance: Rituals and Spells for Change (Llewellyn Worldwide).
"Unlike the Trump binding spell, there is no need to coordinate the timing of this working. Do it whenever it is convenient, but please do it before the upcoming confirmation vote in the Senate. Many of us will be casting the spell at midnight (Eastern Time) on the evening before the vote if you wish to join forces with us."
https://www.democraticunderground.com/12192160 (https://www.democraticunderground.com/12192160)
You just can't make this stuff up! :silly:
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Hardly anybody does know @txradioguy . I can remember watching the late night comedians before they became politicians. But I understand Matt Damon did a turn as Judge Kavanaugh. He hasn't been that good since "I Bought a Zoo."
I haven't watched SNL since the Chris Rock Chris Farley David Spade days.
Last movie I liked Damon in was the Jason Bourne movies.
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Believe it or not, there has been some movement on this forum by some who were previously NeverTrump, all the time. Hell, I moved from where I was on Trump to where I am today. @Jazzhead has been at least somewhat radicalized by the way the Democrats have behaved on the Kavanaugh nomination. To the extent there are incorrigible Always Trumpers, who believe he does not wrong and condemn anyone who says otherwise, there's no point arguing with them to the contrary. And to the extent there are NeverTrumpers who are the flip side of that coin, there's no point arguing with them either.
But there are a lot of people along various points of that continuum who respect and respond best to those who are not so nasty/dogmatic. Like many people here, I came over from TOS after being sent to the kids' table (having posts pre-approved) simply because I questioned Trump. And to be honest, a lot of my anti-Trump feelings were actually anger at some of his kookier/nastier supporters. I was so angry at the TOS AlwaysTrump nutbags -- who were nasty to the core towards anyone who questioned their Messiah -- that I didn't want to give them the satisfaction of supporting Trump. When I left TOS and came here, I had a lot less exposure to those thoroughly annoying people. @Mesaclone was an early Trump supporter who was not a nutbag, and as I read his posts, the anger I felt at Trump because of his TOS supporters dissipated, and I thankfully ended up casting my vote based on the candidate, not based on his most annoying supporters.
The biggest problem here are the generalizations made about "NeverTrumpers" and "AlwaysTrumpers". The vast majority of people and posters here and elsewhere do not fit the stereotypes their opposites like to imagine.
I actually think @Maj. Bill Martin that a lot of the animosity still among is is as much about dislikes between posters. I am personally the target of a few people who hate me more than they hate Trump. But my dog totally loves me.
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Not all of those who are/were NeverTrump are the same. Some will hang on to that designation as absolutists, and refuse to have anything to do with Trump or with any who support him. Others who may have been NT at some time have moderated to some degree. What you call the "frustration" you exhibit at the former end up alienating some of the latter.
Again, they are not all the same. And to the extent there are some who you believe will never be "satisfied"...then why bother trying? You're beating your head against the wall fighting with those who cannot be convinced, and in the process alienating some who can.
Oh for crap sake @Maj. Bill Martin ... you're not even being serious. You're playing word games in an attempt to appear the peacemaker while laughing your ass off behind your keyboard. You *know* you're posting psychobabble. Shame on you. 22222frying pan
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If anyone wants to see what real honest to God "never trumpers" look and sound like...stroll over to DemocratUnderground.
Everything people get accused of being...actually manifests itself in every poster over there...and it's comedy gold.
For example:
You just can't make this stuff up! :silly:
I did go over there for a while last night but it was too weird and depressing to stay long.
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Believe it or not, there has been some movement on this forum by some who were previously NeverTrump, all the time. Hell, I moved from where I was on Trump to where I am today. @Jazzhead has been at least somewhat radicalized by the way the Democrats have behaved on the Kavanaugh nomination. To the extent there are incorrigible Always Trumpers, who believe he does not wrong and condemn anyone who says otherwise, there's no point arguing with them to the contrary. And to the extent there are NeverTrumpers who are the flip side of that coin, there's no point arguing with them either.
But there are a lot of people along various points of that continuum who respect and respond best to those who are not so nasty/dogmatic. Like many people here, I came over from TOS after being sent to the kids' table (having posts pre-approved) simply because I questioned Trump. And to be honest, a lot of my anti-Trump feelings were actually anger at some of his kookier/nastier supporters. I was so angry at the TOS AlwaysTrump nutbags -- who were nasty to the core towards anyone who questioned their Messiah -- that I didn't want to give them the satisfaction of supporting Trump. When I left TOS and came here, I had a lot less exposure to those thoroughly annoying people. @Mesaclone was an early Trump supporter who was not a nutbag, and as I read his posts, the anger I felt at Trump because of his TOS supporters dissipated, and I thankfully ended up casting my vote based on the candidate, not based on his most annoying supporters.
The biggest problem here are the generalizations made about "NeverTrumpers" and "AlwaysTrumpers". The vast majority of people and posters here and elsewhere do not fit the stereotypes their opposites like to imagine.
@Maj. Bill Martin
You sir are on a roll today! Rarely does painting with broad brushes result in art.
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Last movie I liked Damon in was Team America...
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Oh for crap sake @Maj. Bill Martin ... you're not even being serious. You're playing word games in an attempt to appear the peacemaker while laughing your ass off behind your keyboard. You *know* you're posting psychobabble. Shame on you. 22222frying pan
Absolutely nothing of the sort. If you don't believe there are people who dislike/disliked Trump in large part because of how annoyingly intolerant some of his supporters were, you need to get out more. I think that was particularly true for many of us who came over from TOS.
If you want to believe that I'm lying and just making stuff up....
Have a Blessed Day!
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Oh for crap sake @Maj. Bill Martin ... you're not even being serious. You're playing word games in an attempt to appear the peacemaker while laughing your ass off behind your keyboard. You *know* you're posting psychobabble. Shame on you. 22222frying pan
Thus proven once again.... the rationale and common sense that Maj. Bill Martin is displaying is like a foreign language to you. It doesn't compute. The logic escapes you. Not that I'm surprised.
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Last movie I liked Damon in was Team America...
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ls06trdN7z1qavb8jo1_500.gif)
It is almost impossible to find the Unrated version of that movie, which is one of the most offensive/hilarious things I've ever watched. The marionette sex scenes...have to be seen to be believed.
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Absolutely nothing of the sort. If you don't believe there are people who dislike/disliked Trump in large part because of how annoyingly intolerant some of his supporters were, you need to get out more. I think that was particularly true for many of us who came over from TOS.
If you want to believe that I'm lying and just making stuff up....
Have a Blessed Day!
Sorry about that @Maj. Bill Martin but we seem to have a way to go. wink777
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Oh for crap sake @Maj. Bill Martin ... you're not even being serious. You're playing word games in an attempt to appear the peacemaker while laughing your ass off behind your keyboard. You *know* you're posting psychobabble. Shame on you. 22222frying pan
Couldn't have said it any better. :patriot:
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Absolutely nothing of the sort. If you don't believe there are people who dislike/disliked Trump in large part because of how annoyingly intolerant some of his supporters were, you need to get out more. I think that was particularly true for many of us who came over from TOS.
If you want to believe that I'm lying and just making stuff up....
Have a Blessed Day!
She's as indoctrinated to her inflexible beliefs about anyone who doesn't agree with her as any Progressive at DU. They are two sides of the same coin.
What you said made perfect sense and her response simply highlights perfectly one of the points you were trying to make.
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We have neither the need nor the time for "spite".
You and yours engage in spite and fling it with aplomb every single time someone here has a criticism or comment that you people think is negative about your leader.
Every. Single. Time.
What you so wrongly label "spite" from the President's supporters is actually incredulous frustration with NTs. What the hell will it take for NTs to get over themselves and the "wounds" they've been nursing for three years?
You just said a short time ago that you do not give a rat's ass about what we think or do or not do.
Clearly you do not understand yourself.
Tell me, @Maj. Bill Martin -- what peace offering for defending Donald Trump, what mea culpa for winning the election, what act of self-flagellation for cheering the President's successes will satisfy the NT?
Try real hard to truly not give a rat's ass about what will satisfy those of us who do not cheerlead to your satisfaction or have right and hard criticisms that you dismiss.
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It is almost impossible to find the Unrated version of that movie, which is one of the most offensive/hilarious things I've ever watched. The marionette sex scenes...have to be seen to be believed.
I am not that easily offended but that movie was a bridge too far for me.
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Oh for crap sake @Maj. Bill Martin ... you're not even being serious. You're playing word games in an attempt to appear the peacemaker while laughing your ass off behind your keyboard. You *know* you're posting psychobabble. Shame on you. 22222frying pan
And they wonder how it is possible that people refuse to 'jump on their train'.
They do a better job of running off supporters than Trump's thumbs do.
All because they demand 100% fealty and devotion to their prince, and if you were not in lockstep with unwavering support and praise from the beginning - you will forever be held in suspicion. What Hoffer perfectly described in the cult of mass movements.
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She's as indoctrinated to her inflexible beliefs about anyone who doesn't agree with her as any Progressive at DU. They are two sides of the same coin.
What you said made perfect sense and her response simply highlights perfectly one of the points you were trying to make.
Hey @txradioguy I spent months, months defending that gal on this forum. But one day I disagreed with her about something and all hell broke loose. I still kinda admire how she clings to her Trump love despite all odds, but don't disagree with her.
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Couldn't have said it any better. :patriot:
Okay, I'm curious.
Exactly what do you believe you are accomplishing in repeatedly bashing NT'er's, and how do you think such bashing is perceived by most people observing those battles?
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And they wonder how it is possible that people refuse to 'jump on their train'.
They do a better job of running off supporters than Trump's thumbs do.
All because they demand 100% fealty and devotion to their prince, and if you were not in lockstep with unwavering support and praise from the beginning - you will forever be held in suspicion. What Hoffer perfectly described in the cult of mass movements.
<NOPE>
To grab a piss-poor excuse that Briefer Trump fans hurt your feelings...as the reason you won't support him, shows everybody here just who the hell you are.
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Dam it, @Emjay You are good !!!
@Emjay
Emjay, sometimes someone on the board hits at a core...but not pretty...truth about us all. You couldn't be more right with your insight. Kudos for seeing to the heart of the problem, as always you see what is.
But...while we all have that urge to poke the bear...we need to restrain it when we can, or hell, just aim it at the real enemy across the aisle!
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@Emjay
Emjay, sometimes someone on the board hits at a core...but not pretty...truth about us all. You couldn't be more right with your insight. Kudos for seeing to the heart of the problem, as always you see what is.
But...while we all have that urge to poke the bear...we need to restrain it when we can, or hell, just aim it at the real enemy across the aisle!
I know, @Mesaclone What I find a little hard to understand is how when we have seen the utter depravity of the left, so well illustrated in the last few weeks on the Judge Kavanaugh affair, along with the hired goons running Senators out of restaurants and following them with taunts and shouts, how anyone cannot see that compared to those people, Trump is a good President and actually a good man.
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I just find it very broad-brush painting there when you allow ... again, a scant few vitriolic "ever/always Trumpers" on this forum... to color your view of all of them. That's not a fair assessment. Like myself, they are against the Democrats radical leftists, so they will indeed support Trump's agenda of lower taxes, controlled immigration and border, more conservatives on the court and more jobs/less regulations.
Our culture stands as an indictment of the fact that the broad brush applies, for if it did not - the culture would reflect something completely different than what now exists.
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Okay, I'm curious.
Exactly what do you believe you are accomplishing in repeatedly bashing NT'er's, and how do you think such bashing is perceived by most people observing those battles?
#1. I am accomplishing nothing, because the brain inside their thick skulls is the size of a bleeping walnut. And it rattles loudly.
#2. Don't give a rat's ass how I'm perceived. Been around 20 years between TOS and various forums together with the core members here. That's 2 decades for those in Rio Linda.
Anyone here that can't get behind Donald Trump is a waste of oxygen.
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It is a new argument the NT's are spinning and it is weak sauce. Apparently they are so weak and feeble that a bunch of faceless cranks on a political forum are influencing their thoughts. It's absurd.
Indeed it is. :laugh:
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You're a GD liar.
...or your reading comprehension is severely lacking.
We don't give a fig whether you support Donald Trump at this late date...or not.
So I guess all those thinly veiled threats of 'holding us accountable' for any failure of Trump getting his agenda passed were all just bullshit right? More 'rats asses' you pretend to not care about?
To grab a piss-poor excuse that Briefer Trump fans hurt your feelings...as the reason you won't support him, shows everybody here just who the hell you are.
It's a whole lot more than that - but you people demonstrate each and every day that you are as unhinged and as dangerous to liberty as the rabid Marxist Left is.
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#1. I am accomplishing nothing, because the brain inside their thick skulls is the size of a bleeping walnut. And it rattles loudly.
#2. Don't give a rat's ass how I'm perceived. Been around 20 years between TOS and various forums together with the core members here. That's 2 decades for those in Rio Linda.
Anyone here that can't get behind Donald Trump is a waste of oxygen.
I love it when people quote Rush. He has coined so many phrases that have entered our lexicon.
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#1. I am accomplishing nothing, because the brain inside their thick skulls is the size of a bleeping walnut. And it rattles loudly.
#2. Don't give a rat's ass how I'm perceived. Been around 20 years between TOS and various forums together with the core members here. That's 2 decades for those in Rio Linda.
Anyone here that can't get behind Donald Trump is a waste of oxygen.
Back on my ignore list you go! There is simply no way to reason with you! :seeya:
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@XenaLee
Yup. I remember the days when dislike of a politician/president wasn't heresy.
@CatherineofAragon
Au contraire....its never heresy, not to anyone I've read at this site anyway. It can of course be stupidity...or blind pride...or moral narcissism...but never heresy.
Remember, Catherine, "It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so." You seem to "know" that Pro-trump people here consider you a heretic or a fool...but that just ain't so...we simply think you are deeply wrong in your assessment of the President and his value to the Conservative movement at this time.
Here's what I consider a truth. There are no more than a handful of ACTUAL NT's and AT's here...virtually all of us fall into the "Sometimes Trump" or "Mostly Trump" category. Those categories suggest solid critical thinking from both parties as its perfectly reasonable to view our President from EITHER of those perspectives. Its only the hardened "Always/Nevers" that have mush for brains...because they've either swallowed everything President Trump says whole OR they've entirely denied all of the positive policies, appointments and resistance to the Left that he has achieved.
Put simply, an Always/Never mindset is what makes the Left so dangerous to free thought and our Republic...its the hallmark of tyranny and intellectual vacuousness. Sometimes/Mostly, on the other hand, is the hallmark of reason.
So, while I think you are sometimes wrong about Trump, I believe that you are mostly a strong conservative and a rational thinker...and absolutely anything but a heretic.
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It is a new argument the NT's are spinning and it is weak sauce. Apparently they are so weak and feeble that a bunch of faceless cranks on a political forum are influencing their thoughts. It's absurd.
Sure Frank -- except I've been one of the stronger Trump supporters here since before the election, and have gone toe to toe numerous times with @INVAR , etc..
Whether you think it is absurd, or a sign of mental weakness or whatever, the truth is that it is entirely possible for supporters of a candidate or issue to alienate people who would otherwise be on their side. We've seen that in spades with what the left has done with Kavanaugh.
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Sure Frank -- except I've been one of the stronger Trump supporters here since before the election, and have gone toe to toe numerous times with @INVAR , etc..
Whether you think it is absurd, or a sign of mental weakness or whatever, the truth is that it is entirely possible for supporters of a candidate or issue to alienate people who would otherwise be on their side. We've seen that in spades with what the left has done with Kavanaugh.
@Maj. Bill Martin
Doesn't matter until you have done your penitence and kissed their rings.
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@Maj. Bill Martin
Doesn't matter until you have done your penitence and kissed their rings.
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Absolutely nothing of the sort. If you don't believe there are people who dislike/disliked Trump in large part because of how annoyingly intolerant some of his supporters were, you need to get out more. I think that was particularly true for many of us who came over from TOS.
If you want to believe that I'm lying and just making stuff up....
I believe you're knowingly playing games @Maj. Bill Martin Prove me wrong and answer the question I asked. I'll repeat it for you: Tell me, @Maj. Bill Martin -- what peace offering for defending Donald Trump, what mea culpa for winning the election, what act of self-flagellation for cheering the President's successes will satisfy the NT?
Be specific.
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Sure Frank -- except I've been one of the stronger Trump supporters here since before the election, and have gone toe to toe numerous times with @INVAR , etc..
Whether you think it is absurd, or a sign of mental weakness or whatever, the truth is that it is entirely possible for supporters of a candidate or issue to alienate people who would otherwise be on their side. We've seen that in spades with what the left has done with Kavanaugh.
What a joke you are this afternoon, Major.
Imagine...if you will (in my Rod Sterling voice) ....an NT Briefer...in the voting booth behind the curtain, not being able to pull the lever for Donald Trump today...because DCPatriot wouldn't stop ragging their asses.
Welcome to the Twilight Zone. :laugh:
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@Maj. Bill Martin
Doesn't matter until you have done your penitence and kissed their rings.
I'm afraid the peace talks are adjourned for now.
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Hey @txradioguy I spent months, months defending that gal on this forum. But one day I disagreed with her about something and all hell broke loose. I still kinda admire how she clings to her Trump love despite all odds, but don't disagree with her.
@Emjay you can agree with them 99 times out of 100 and that one time you don’t you’re an outcast.
Kinda sad really.
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I'm afraid the peace talks are adjourned for now.
Sadly some people here view peace in the same way Liberals view bipartisanship.
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It was nice when we all came together and united behind Kav...I guess those days are gone.
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@Maj. Bill Martin
Doesn't matter until you have done your penitence and kissed their rings.
Uh....asses is not spelled R-i-n-g-s. *****rollingeyes*****
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It was nice when we all came together and united behind Kav...I guess those days are gone.
Just the opposite, IMO.
There is a big, big country out there beyond TBR.
To point out acute insanity within our own house is actually healthy and necessary.
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It was nice when we all came together and united behind Kav...I guess those days are gone.
It’s also nice to believe we have any great influence over his fate. If that were the case, many battleground senatorial states would make the tally for him quite different. The truth of the matter is – the representatives in DC still do what they want, regardless of what their constituents think.
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It’s also nice to believe we have any great influence over his fate. If that were the case, many battleground senatorial states would make the tally for him quite different. The truth of the matter is – the representatives in DC still do what they want, regardless of what their constituents think.
Can't argue with that..
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Hey @txradioguy I spent months, months defending that gal on this forum. But one day I disagreed with her about something and all hell broke loose. I still kinda admire how she clings to her Trump love despite all odds, but don't disagree with her.
I assume you're referring to me @Emjay --- although it could be one of several others.
But back to my point: What the hell is *your* point in posting this? Are you in such pathetic need of validation from total strangers?
PLEASE in the name of God, STOP dragging crap from previous threads around with you and dumping it at will. I don't know how you're able to type with all the sh*t you carry. Stop acting like a perennial victim and just maybe we won't have problems in the future.
The choice is yours.
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What a joke you are this afternoon, Major.
Imagine...if you will (in my Rod Sterling voice) ....an NT Briefer...in the voting booth behind the curtain, not being able to pull the lever for Donald Trump today...because DCPatriot wouldn't stop ragging their asses.
Welcome to the Twilight Zone. :laugh:
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I assume you're referring to me @Emjay --- although it could be one of several others.
But back to my point: What the hell is *your* point in posting this? Are you in such pathetic need of validation from total strangers?
PLEASE in the name of God, STOP dragging crap from previous threads around with you and dumping it at will. I don't know how you're able to type with all the sh*t you carry. Stop acting like a perennial victim and just maybe we won't have problems in the future.
The choice is yours.
Who 'else' could it be? There is no other "gal" here that is totally devoted to Trump as you are. Just sayin....
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And they wonder how it is possible that people refuse to 'jump on their train'. They do a better job of running off supporters than Trump's thumbs do.
Okay @INVAR I'll ask you:
Tell me what peace offering for defending Donald Trump, what mea culpa for winning the election, what act of self-flagellation for cheering the President's successes will satisfy you.
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Where should we meet? I'll bring the ice! :beer:
@DCPatriot
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It’s also nice to believe we have any great influence over his fate. If that were the case, many battleground senatorial states would make the tally for him quite different. The truth of the matter is – the representatives in DC still do what they want what K Street tells them to do, regardless of what their constituents think.
@edpc
Fixed it for you.
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The Major has made perfect, logical sense in this thread. It's just a shame that some here can't comprehend that logic and that truth.
But that inability is merely a symptom and a by-product of the vitriol by those few here that still, to this day, are as hate-filled as they were the day (week) we migrated here from TOS. Fact is... they don't 'want' to comprehend it because that would mean that they would be forced to acknowledge that they have done (and still are doing) something wrong re: their harsh rhetoric.... when that tactic never works to build bridges with opponents or possible future allies.
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I believe you're knowingly playing games @Maj. Bill Martin Prove me wrong and answer the question I asked. I'll repeat it for you: Tell me, @Maj. Bill Martin -- what peace offering for defending Donald Trump, what mea culpa for winning the election, what act of self-flagellation for cheering the President's successes will satisfy the NT?
Your question is fundamentally flawed, and I'll explain why in a bit. But I'll answer it as best as I can anyway:
A: Some of them will never be satisfied by anything.
The fundamental flaw in your question is that it puts everyone who doesn't/didn't support Trump into the same box. It assumes that there is in fact a single answer to your question, when in fact the answer probably has nearly as many answers as there are people who have been labelled "NeverTrump".
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Your question is fundamentally flawed, and I'll explain why in a bit. But I'll answer it as best as I can anyway:
A: Some of them will never be satisfied by anything.
The fundamental flaw in your question is that it puts everyone who doesn't/didn't support Trump into the same box. It assumes that there is in fact a single answer to your question, when in fact the answer probably has nearly as many answers as there are people who have been labelled "NeverTrump".
Bingo!!!
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@edpc
Fixed it for you.
Like Myst said....can’t argue with that.
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Your question is fundamentally flawed, and I'll explain why in a bit. But I'll answer it as best as I can anyway:
A: Some of them will never be satisfied by anything.
The fundamental flaw in your question is that it puts everyone who doesn't/didn't support Trump into the same box. It assumes that there is in fact a single answer to your question, when in fact the answer probably has nearly as many answers as there are people who have been labelled "NeverTrump".
Come on, dude.
This is freaking 2018. 2016 election was TWO YEARS AGO.
Anybody who can't/won't appreciate the magnificent job being done by President Trump...in a GD conservative forum...can go straight to hell.
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Come on, dude.
This is freaking 2018. 2016 election was TWO YEARS AGO.
Anybody who can't/won't appreciate the magnificent job being done by President Trump...in a GD conservative forum...can go straight to hell.
Interesting. So anyone who can't appreciate another $2+ trillion added to our national debt can go straight to hell? Yeah, right.
Good grief, I am sick and tired of your all-or-nothing bullshit, DC. I have heaped plenty of praise on President Trump and have loudly defended him against the lies of the left. Yet that still isn't good enough for you.
Here is the primary difference between me and you. I support Conservatism. You support Trump. I stand by the ideal. You stand by the power. You do EXACTLY what liberals do. Just like the lie above. Because in a [**] Conservative forum, I expect others to appreciate Conservatism. But not you. Oh no, not you. You will champion the pinnacle of liberal ideology as long as Trump is the one doing it.
But thanks for the "go straight to hell" offer. It has been a very long time since I trolled DU. Yet you have now brought DU to us.
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Come on, dude.
This is freaking 2018. 2016 election was TWO YEARS AGO.
Anybody who can't/won't appreciate the magnificent job being done by President Trump...in a GD conservative forum...can go straight to hell.
DC and RIV, I wish everyone could get on board with the President...I think he has done and is doing great things for conservatism. But people have to come to that conclusion in their own time. Some of the people you're slamming here may yet come around, but that's less likely if they feel under constant attack. Some are beyond reason...INVAR for example has surrendered all reason and common sense in favor of claiming righteous narcissism as his raison d'etre...but others are still persuadable and rational.
Major Bill is speaking sense here...I think its in your interest to listen. Just my opinion, of course.
@DCPatriot
@Maj. Bill Martin
@Right_in_Virginia
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Interesting. So anyone who can't appreciate another $2+ trillion added to our national debt can go straight to hell? Yeah, right.
Good grief, I am sick and tired of your all-or-nothing bullshit, DC. I have heaped plenty of praise on President Trump and have loudly defended him against the lies of the left. Yet that still isn't good enough for you.
Here is the primary difference between me and you. I support Conservatism. You support Trump. I stand by the ideal. You stand by the power. You do EXACTLY what liberals do. Just like the lie above. Because in a [**] Conservative forum, I expect others to appreciate Conservatism. But not you. Oh no, not you. You will champion the pinnacle of liberal ideology as long as Trump is the one doing it.
But thanks for the "go straight to hell" offer. It has been a very long time since I trolled DU. Yet you have now brought DU to us.
Exactly, ditto and thanks!
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Interesting. So anyone who can't appreciate another $2+ trillion added to our national debt can go straight to hell? Yeah, right.
Good grief, I am sick and tired of your all-or-nothing bullshit, DC. I have heaped plenty of praise on President Trump and have loudly defended him against the lies of the left. Yet that still isn't good enough for you.
Here is the primary difference between me and you. I support Conservatism. You support Trump. I stand by the ideal. You stand by the power. You do EXACTLY what liberals do. Just like the lie above. Because in a [**] Conservative forum, I expect others to appreciate Conservatism. But not you. Oh no, not you. You will champion the pinnacle of liberal ideology as long as Trump is the one doing it.
But thanks for the "go straight to hell" offer. It has been a very long time since I trolled DU. Yet you have now brought DU to us.
@Hoodat
Damn. Just when I want to defend some who are not yet supporting the President...there you go again.
We are not supporting Trump vs Conservatism...we are supporting Trump because he is the most effective and ardent advocate FOR Conservatism. Yes, you have every right to criticize deficit spending...just as I could fairly criticize Reagan for the same...but you are wrong to pretend that Trump is not doing a whole catalog of other things that are powerfully ADVANCING the conservative cause.
So WE don't support Trump while YOU support Conservatism...we support Trump BECAUSE he advances Conservatism. Your expression to the contrary is disingenuous and counterproductive because you unfairly question the motives of those with whom you disagree.
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DC and RIV, I wish everyone could get on board with the President...I think he has done and is doing great things for conservatism. But people have to come to that conclusion in their own time. Some of the people you're slamming here may yet come around, but that's less likely if they feel under constant attack. Some are beyond reason...INVAR for example has surrendered all reason and common sense in favor of claiming righteous narcissism as his raison d'etre...but others are still persuadable and rational.
Major Bill is speaking sense here...I think its in your interest to listen. Just my opinion, of course.
@DCPatriot
@Maj. Bill Martin
@Right_in_Virginia
@Mesaclone
They won't! But I sincerely thank you for trying!
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@Hoodat
Damn. Just when I want to defend some who are not yet supporting the President...there you go again.
We are not supporting Trump vs Conservatism...we are supporting Trump because he is the most effective and ardent advocate FOR Conservatism. Yes, you have every right to criticize deficit spending...just as I could fairly criticize Reagan for the same...but you are wrong to pretend that Trump is not doing a whole catalog of other things that are powerfully ADVANCING the conservative cause.
So WE don't support Trump while YOU support Conservatism...we support Trump BECAUSE he advances Conservatism. Your expression to the contrary is disingenuous and counterproductive because you unfairly question the motives of those with whom you disagree.
You seem to have skipped right over the fact that Hoodat responded with that after having effectively been told to go to Hell. I thought he was very restrained in his response...lol.
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Gotta respect a man who can pick a Cello like that!
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You seem to have skipped right over the fact that Hoodat responded with that after having effectively been told to go to Hell. I thought he was very restrained in his response...lol.
I didn't skip it, I just thought it was obvious. The problem is that the response was as wrong as the provocation. A pox on both their houses.
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#1. I am accomplishing nothing, because the brain inside their thick skulls is the size of a bleeping walnut. And it rattles loudly.
#2. Don't give a rat's ass how I'm perceived. Been around 20 years between TOS and various forums together with the core members here. That's 2 decades for those in Rio Linda.
Anyone here that can't get behind Donald Trump is a waste of oxygen.
In my mind it’s down to this: I’m working to defeat democrats on the Left and NeverTrumpers on the Right. Whatever the etiology, nevers give cover to the democrats, and that sucks.
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DemocratUnderground.com is in complete meltdown mode right now over this.
There's even the obligatory "I'm moving to Canada" thread. :silly:
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I assume you're referring to me @Emjay --- although it could be one of several others.
But back to my point: What the hell is *your* point in posting this? Are you in such pathetic need of validation from total strangers?
PLEASE in the name of God, STOP dragging crap from previous threads around with you and dumping it at will. I don't know how you're able to type with all the sh*t you carry. Stop acting like a perennial victim and just maybe we won't have problems in the future.
The choice is yours.
@Right_in_Virginia
I was referring to you and I should have said so. But asking me to just forget when someone insults me to the point of sending an abusive private message is asking a little too much.
We will not have problems in the future, I assure you.
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Interesting. So anyone who can't appreciate another $2+ trillion added to our national debt can go straight to hell? Yeah, right.
Good grief, I am sick and tired of your all-or-nothing bullshit, DC. I have heaped plenty of praise on President Trump and have loudly defended him against the lies of the left. Yet that still isn't good enough for you.
Here is the primary difference between me and you. I support Conservatism. You support Trump. I stand by the ideal. You stand by the power. You do EXACTLY what liberals do. Just like the lie above. Because in a [**] Conservative forum, I expect others to appreciate Conservatism. But not you. Oh no, not you. You will champion the pinnacle of liberal ideology as long as Trump is the one doing it.
But thanks for the "go straight to hell" offer. It has been a very long time since I trolled DU. Yet you have now brought DU to us.
Guilty conscience, huh?
Who the hell was thinking of @Hoodat in my screeds. Certainly not me.
You're a GD piker compared to others in here.
And who in the hell cares whether the deficit is $19 Trillion or $21 Trillion. WTF is going to pay that off?
At least President Trump's huge economic successes in jobs and taxes collected from the millions of new employed gives us an opportunity.
....an opportunity to demonstrate to the great unwashed, how economies work/function.
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#1. I am accomplishing nothing, because the brain inside their thick skulls is the size of a bleeping walnut. And it rattles loudly.
#2. Don't give a rat's ass how I'm perceived. Been around 20 years between TOS and various forums together with the core members here. That's 2 decades for those in Rio Linda.
Anyone here that can't get behind Donald Trump is a waste of oxygen.
Yeah, well, again, it's not about you.
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In my mind it’s down to this: I’m working to defeat democrats on the Left and NeverTrumpers on the Right. Whatever the etiology, nevers give cover to the democrats, and that sucks.
No they don’t. They just recognize the man for who he actually is. Trump is a conservative the same way Clinton was a new kind of democrat. I’m glad you like things so far. You’re going to absolutely love a lame duck dealmaker working with Schumer and Pelosi to give us paid family leave, some equally lousy version of Medicare for all, immigration reform with no wall, and god knows what else in a few years. You’ll still be able to chant ‘Gorsuch and Kavanaugh’ though. 👍
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Yeah, well, again, it's not about you.
Yeah? Well, I was specifically responding to questions asked of ME.
Go straight to hell, @Sanguine Your bullshit "3rd man in" shtick is tiresome.
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@Hoodat
Damn. Just when I want to defend some who are not yet supporting the President...there you go again.
We are not supporting Trump vs Conservatism...we are supporting Trump because he is the most effective and ardent advocate FOR Conservatism. Yes, you have every right to criticize deficit spending...just as I could fairly criticize Reagan for the same...but you are wrong to pretend that Trump is not doing a whole catalog of other things that are powerfully ADVANCING the conservative cause.
So WE don't support Trump while YOU support Conservatism...we support Trump BECAUSE he advances Conservatism. Your expression to the contrary is disingenuous and counterproductive because you unfairly question the motives of those with whom you disagree.
Sorry about all the utter crap @Mesaclone It seems that both sides are entrenched in a bit of stupidity and refuse to budge.
I have supported Trump since the morning after the election when I realized he did a fantastic thing when he defeated Hillary and the dark minions of the left.
It took a while longer for me to get over being annoyed at some of the things he did ... like the 3 AM tweets, but I got over that when I realized that they do serve a purpose, a somewhat less elegant version of Roosevelt's fireside chats.
And the media has been a friend to Trump in the sense that every time I click on Yahoo or any other liberal news outlet, I feel defensive about Trump and like him more.
But there is no doubt that some of Trump's most fervent allies on this Board do him more harm than good.
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Yes, you have every right to criticize deficit spending...just as I could fairly criticize Reagan for the same...but you are wrong to pretend that Trump is not doing a whole catalog of other things that are powerfully ADVANCING the conservative cause.
What part of "I have heaped plenty of praise on President Trump" did you not get?
So WE don't support Trump while YOU support Conservatism...we support Trump BECAUSE he advances Conservatism.
Uh, no. It goes far beyond that. When Trump supported Kelo, his supporters defended him. When he said that Planned Parenthood does wonderful things, his supporters defended him. When Trump came out in favor of Touchback Amnesty, his supporters defended him. When Trump imposed the exact same type of tariffs that Obama imposed, his supporters defended him. And when Trump signed a stimulus package bigger than Obama's, his supporters defended him. None of those are Conservative positions. None advanced Conservatism. Yet you say that you support Trump BECAUSE he advances Conservatism even though each of those positions is the exact opposite of Conservatism? I think not.
As I said, the sycophants are never satisfied. I applaud Trump for getting Gorsuch and Kavanaugh on the bench just as I applaud Ted Cruz for making the courts a primary issue these past two years. Yet that isn't good enough. For some reason, I am expected to praise Trump while at the same time vilify Cruz as if he were Trump's Emmanuel Goldstein. To hell with that.
Grow up already. Stop being so damn insecure. If Trump wants my support, then he will do Conservative things. But I WILL NOT support liberalism just because Trump is the one doing it. This really isn't complicated. I had this exact same conversation with some guy named JimRob at some other site. I had wrongly assumed that he would act like an adult about my defense of Conservatism. Yet he wasn't secure in his position since it was a position not based in truth. He took the same tact as you. Blind allegiance no matter what. And with the reigns of power he held, he retaliated against truth by censoring the voices of those who defended Conservatism.
Personally, I am really glad that Donald Trump is President right now. And I will be voting for him in 2020. But I am not about to turn my back on what is true and right. So I refuse to lie to others about how Trump is a swamp-drainer or how Trump is going to do away with baseline budgeting and demand that they swallow those lied. Because TRUTH is simply too important to forfeit for the sake of a king.
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No they don’t. They just recognize the man for who he actually is. Trump is a conservative the same way Clinton was a new kind of democrat. I’m glad you like things so far. Who WOULDN'T like deep tax cuts, record unemployment, new and improved NAFTA, Obamacare mandate GONE, North Korea on the road to eliminating nukes, out of Paris accords, and on and on .... a long litany of conservative achievements. You’re going to absolutely love a lame duck dealmaker working with Schumer and Pelosi to give us paid family leave, some equally lousy version of Medicare for all, immigration reform with no wall, and god knows what else in a few years. So you're slamming Trump for what you think he MIGHT do...despite nothing in what he HAS DONE suggesting such a U turn. You’ll still be able to chant ‘Gorsuch and Kavanaugh’ though. Those ARE good chants...and important...but your comment is rather petty.👍
And quite frankly, if you're arguing that NT's like Sasse, Flake, Romney and others have NOT provided cover for the Left...I think you are either lying to us or to yourself. The very HEART of NeverTrumpism resides within the GOP establishment...not sure how you could argue that the establishment has done ANYTHING to advance conservatism.
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Sorry about all the utter crap @Mesaclone It seems that both sides are entrenched in a bit of stupidity and refuse to budge.
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But there is no doubt that some of Trump's most fervent allies on this Board do him more harm than good.
Prove it. @Emjay :shrug:
I'm hurting President Trump because poor delicate @INVAR won't see reason and refuses to use common sense?
...because @Oceander ....er, I mean @Axeslinger won't be swayed?
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Yeah? Well, I was specifically responding to questions asked of ME.
Go straight to hell, @Sanguine Your bullshit "3rd man in" shtick is tiresome.
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And quite frankly, if you're arguing that NT's like Sasse, Flake, Romney and others have NOT provided cover for the Left...I think you are either lying to us or to yourself. The very HEART of NeverTrumpism resides within the GOP establishment...not sure how you could argue that the establishment has done ANYTHING to advance conservatism.
I’m fairly unimpressed with the establishment, as well. However, the three biggest accomplishments under Trump have been the tax bill and two SCOTUS appointments. Who do you think came up with those ideas? It certainly wasn’t Trump or any of his closest advisors.
Hell, the appointment of Gorsuch and federal judge vacancies are thanks to the King Of Establishment Clowns, Mitch McConnell.
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I didn't skip it, I just thought it was obvious. The problem is that the response was as wrong as the provocation. A pox on both their houses.
Lol!
Fair enough.
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What part of "I have heaped plenty of praise on President Trump" did you not get?
Uh, no. It goes far beyond that. When Trump supported Kelo, his supporters defended him. When he said that Planned Parenthood does wonderful things, his supporters defended him. When Trump came out in favor of Touchback Amnesty, his supporters defended him. When Trump imposed the exact same type of tariffs that Obama imposed, his supporters defended him. And when Trump signed a stimulus package bigger than Obama's, his supporters defended him. None of those are Conservative positions. None advanced Conservatism. Yet you say that you support Trump BECAUSE he advances Conservatism even though each of those positions is the exact opposite of Conservatism? I think not.
As I said, the sycophants are never satisfied. I applaud Trump for getting Gorsuch and Kavanaugh on the bench just as I applaud Ted Cruz for making the courts a primary issue these past two years. Yet that isn't good enough. For some reason, I am expected to praise Trump while at the same time vilify Cruz as if he were Trump's Emmanuel Goldstein. To hell with that.
Grow up already. Stop being so damn insecure. If Trump wants my support, then he will do Conservative things. But I WILL NOT support liberalism just because Trump is the one doing it. This really isn't complicated. I had this exact same conversation with some guy named JimRob at some other site. I had wrongly assumed that he would act like an adult about my defense of Conservatism. Yet he wasn't secure in his position since it was a position not based in truth. He took the same tact as you. Blind allegiance no matter what. And with the reigns of power he held, he retaliated against truth by censoring the voices of those who defended Conservatism.
Personally, I am really glad that Donald Trump is President right now. And I will be voting for him in 2020. But I am not about to turn my back on what is true and right. So I refuse to lie to others about how Trump is a swamp-drainer or how Trump is going to do away with baseline budgeting and demand that they swallow those lied. Because TRUTH is simply too important to forfeit for the sake of a king.
In your long list of what Trump supporters defend...the ONLY thing there that I have ever defended is certain tariffs. And those I supported as a means of forcing other parties to drop their own tariffs and to create incentives for them to move towards actual free markets. So that IS a conservative move.
As for lying, your claims on owning the truth is shallow and self serving...all of us here advocate for the truth, though we ALL have different perceptions of what that truth may be. Likewise, there is no "blind allegiance" on this board...at least...no moreso than there is "blind opposition". So hop down from that moral high horse.
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Prove it. @Emjay :shrug:
I'm hurting President Trump because poor delicate @INVAR won't see reason and refuses to use common sense?
...because @Oceander ....er, I mean @Axeslinger won't be swayed?
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Hey @DCPatriot I've always liked you but I don't understand why you and @Right_in_Virginia chose to attack @Mesaclone and @Maj. Bill Martin when they tried to initiate peace talks.
I've gotten really annoyed at some NTers and taken some insults from them but, frankly, none of them has attacked me as viciously as @Right_in_Virginia who even went so far as to send me two abusive private messages. It seems deranged. And that after I had defended her for months against people who hate her.
So, ya know, you have to be a friend to have a friend.
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Can I help them pack?
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Okay @INVAR I'll ask you:
Tell me what peace offering for defending Donald Trump, what mea culpa for winning the election, what act of self-flagellation for cheering the President's successes will satisfy you.
Why are you so damn concerned about what I personally will accept of you? I thought you gave a rat's ass about what I think?
Clearly you lied to yourself.
Go. Just go and fight the political war with all the factional gusto you can muster. Rally yourselves to your man and his banner. Fight for your faction. Obliterate your enemies before you. Have fun.
I want no part of that. None. Zero.
We were already warned where that will end up and I will have no hand bringing about the consequences. You folks illustrate a microcosm of what that consequence is gonna look like right here on this forum: either 100% devotion and fealty to your chosen prince and his party and agenda - or ostracization, retribution and punishment administered by yourselves according to your lust. I have 20 - plus years repented of and I will not return to the vomit or the mire.
Enjoy - for you already have your reward.
I'm fighting a different war altogether.
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In your long list of what Trump supporters defend...the ONLY thing there that I have ever defended is certain tariffs.
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That wasn't personally directed at you. But I seen Trump supporters defend each and every one of those.
As for the high horse of truth, how exactly am I supposed to take it when Trump sides to the left of Bernie Sanders when it comes to property rights? Do I simply cover up the blatant contradiction by repeating lies about Ted Cruz?
Again, I am very pleased with the results Trump has achieved, primarily his unsettling ability to frustrate liberals to the point of impotence. But I am also sick and tired of seeing the NT boogeyman being paraded about with calls to kiss the ring every time good news comes out.
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Hey @DCPatriot I've always liked you but I don't understand why you and @Right_in_Virginia chose to attack @Mesaclone and @Maj. Bill Martin when they tried to initiate peace talks.
I've gotten really annoyed at some NTers and taken some insults from them but, frankly, none of them has attacked me as viciously as @Right_in_Virginia who even went so far as to send me two abusive private messages. It seems deranged. And that after I had defended her for months against people who hate her.
So, ya know, you have to be a friend to have a friend.
I absolutely love @Maj. Bill Martin and @Mesaclone
Always have and always will.
But make no mistake. Bullshit is bullshit...no matter the source.
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It goes far beyond that. When Trump supported Kelo, his supporters defended him. When he said that Planned Parenthood does wonderful things, his supporters defended him. When Trump came out in favor of Touchback Amnesty, his supporters defended him. When Trump imposed the exact same type of tariffs that Obama imposed, his supporters defended him. And when Trump signed a stimulus package bigger than Obama's, his supporters defended him. None of those are Conservative positions. None advanced Conservatism. Yet you say that you support Trump BECAUSE he advances Conservatism even though each of those positions is the exact opposite of Conservatism? I think not.
As I said, the sycophants are never satisfied.
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I absolutely love @Maj. Bill Martin and @Mesaclone
Always have and always will.
But make no mistake. Bullshit is bullshit...no matter the source.
You are much more self-aware than I had thought.
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I absolutely love @Maj. Bill Martin and @Mesaclone
Always have and always will.
But make no mistake. Bullshit is bullshit...no matter the source.
Perhaps there was some false hope displayed by the two gentlemen who may have just learned today how deeply some hate is entrenched in this forum, but I wouldn't call it bullshit.
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Wow!! Did a bunch of folks get up on the wrong side of the bed, the VERY DAY after ANOTHER great result?
Judge K will be confirmed. That is good. Credit is due, to Republicans Trump, McConnell, Grassley, Graham, and Collins.
Romney, McMuffin, Sasse, Castle had nothing to do with it.
Certainly the Republican #nevertrump movement had nothing to do, unless Flakey boy is considered.
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Perhaps there was some false hope displayed by the two gentlemen who may have just learned today how deeply some hate is entrenched in this forum, but I wouldn't call it bullshit.
I long for the day when posters will be able to criticize wrong-headed liberal positions coming from Trump without being labeled "NTers".
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I long for the day when posters will be able to criticize wrong-headed liberal positions coming from Trump without being labeled "NTers".
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Romney, McMuffin, Sasse, Castle had nothing to do with it.
Sasse voted 'Aye'.
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And who in the hell cares whether the deficit is $19 Trillion or $21 Trillion.
QED
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I long for the day when posters will be able to criticize wrong-headed liberal positions coming from Trump without being labeled "NTers".
Excuse me?
You're the one who ran in here FIRST with a need to respond when we were discussing NeverTrumpers.
What's up with that?? :laugh:
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And who in the hell cares whether the deficit is $19 Trillion or $21 Trillion. WTF is going to pay that off?
Funny you should ask.....
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/07/us/politics/donald-trumps-idea-to-cut-national-debt-get-creditors-to-accept-less.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/07/us/politics/donald-trumps-idea-to-cut-national-debt-get-creditors-to-accept-less.html)
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If NeverTrumpers unite to back Trump, then by definition they are not NeverTrumpers. But hey, we have been putting up with this passive BS for a couple of years now. The NT label gets tossed out there, and then the cowardly response about how you really weren't talking to any of the people here who have been labeled NT numerous times in the past.
The very gist of the op-ed is that because of the Kavanaugh fight, Conservatives are united in supporting Trump. Yet here you are still here sewing division with incessant bitching about NTers (without naming any names, of course) instead of rejoicing at the satisfaction of unity.
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@CatherineofAragon
Au contraire....its never heresy, not to anyone I've read at this site anyway. It can of course be stupidity...or blind pride...or moral narcissism...but never heresy.
Remember, Catherine, "It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so." You seem to "know" that Pro-trump people here consider you a heretic or a fool...but that just ain't so...we simply think you are deeply wrong in your assessment of the President and his value to the Conservative movement at this time.
Here's what I consider a truth. There are no more than a handful of ACTUAL NT's and AT's here...virtually all of us fall into the "Sometimes Trump" or "Mostly Trump" category. Those categories suggest solid critical thinking from both parties as its perfectly reasonable to view our President from EITHER of those perspectives. Its only the hardened "Always/Nevers" that have mush for brains...because they've either swallowed everything President Trump says whole OR they've entirely denied all of the positive policies, appointments and resistance to the Left that he has achieved.
Put simply, an Always/Never mindset is what makes the Left so dangerous to free thought and our Republic...its the hallmark of tyranny and intellectual vacuousness. Sometimes/Mostly, on the other hand, is the hallmark of reason.
So, while I think you are sometimes wrong about Trump, I believe that you are mostly a strong conservative and a rational thinker...and absolutely anything but a heretic.
@Mesaclone
I sincerely appreciate that. Thank you. And I return the sentiment. But I disagree that disliking a politician is, if not heresy, stupidity, pride, or narcissism. It's simply the American way. To label it those things elevates the politician to an inappropriate level. I'm not at all comfortable with that.
I don't think most Trump supporters believe we're heretics, but there are some. My personal attitude toward Trump is a lot like Ben Shapiro's, but he's referred to as NT all the time. For a few, nothing short of absolute devotion is enough.
I agree with you about the extremism of the hardcore anti/pro Trump people. I'm on Twitter and I see it all the time. Rick Wilson, Jennifer Rubin, and Tom Nichols are proof that hatred of Trump can drive people as crazy as hardcore fanaticism.
My opinion of Trump is that he's the same guy he's always been. But he can sometimes get things done for the country, and that's great. Then again, sometimes it's the people around him keeping him out of his own way. Either way, it gets done and his presidency has been good so far.
What really rubs me the wrong way is the calls to get on board the train, to get behind him, come on, time to support him. It's an appeal based on what's left of yesterday's emotional high
Over and over, I've asked what that means--getting behind Trump--and never received an answer. On this forum, it's obvious---it means stop criticizing him. Only be positive. But there's no logical reason behind it, and it's not a healthy position to take.
It seems to me my position is reasonable. I'm not getting on any politician's train, but he's doing well. The hard sell, though, serves to do nothing but turn people off.
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Perhaps there was some false hope displayed by the two gentlemen who may have just learned today how deeply some hate is entrenched in this forum, but I wouldn't call it bullshit.
Nah -- it wasn't about false hope. I think both @Mesaclone and I realize there are a certain number of "incorrigibles" on both sides who will hold past disagreements against each other forever. For any fans of the original Star Trek, it's the political version of the "Let that Be Your Last Battlefield" episode, where the last two survivors of a war on a planet keep fighting because they just don't know how to stop.
The larger point being made was that Always Trumpers and NeverTrumpers are very broad labels that don't take into account that people are not monolithic, and that everyone who generally supports Trump is not a fanatical "Always Trumper" who denigrates "NeverTrumpers", and vice-versa. We were arguing that everyone is not an extremist.
So...the mere fact that we made those arguments proves that point. And the fact that so many other posters agreed with the sentiment proved it further. Seems to me that the disagreement with what we were saying was limited to comparatively few posters, which proved they are not the majority here.
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I long for the day when posters will be able to criticize wrong-headed liberal positions coming from Trump without being labeled "NTers".
You and me both!
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@Mesaclone
I sincerely appreciate that. Thank you. And I return the sentiment. But I disagree that disliking a politician is, if not heresy, stupidity, pride, or narcissism. It's simply the American way. To label it those things elevates the politician to an inappropriate level. I'm not at all comfortable with that.
I don't think most Trump supporters believe we're heretics, but there are some. My personal attitude toward Trump is a lot like Ben Shapiro's, but he's referred to as NT all the time. For a few, nothing short of absolute devotion is enough.
I agree with you about the extremism of the hardcore anti/pro Trump people. I'm on Twitter and I see it all the time. Rick Wilson, Jennifer Rubin, and Tom Nichols are proof that hatred of Trump can drive people as crazy as hardcore fanaticism.
My opinion of Trump is that he's the same guy he's always been. But he can sometimes get things done for the country, and that's great. Then again, sometimes it's the people around him keeping him out of his own way. Either way, it gets done and his presidency has been good so far.
What really rubs me the wrong way is the calls to get on board the train, to get behind him, come on, time to support him. It's an appeal based on what's left of yesterday's emotional high
Over and over, I've asked what that means--getting behind Trump--and never received an answer. On this forum, it's obvious---it means stop criticizing him. Only be positive. But there's no logical reason behind it, and it's not a healthy position to take.
It seems to me my position is reasonable. I'm not getting on any politician's train, but he's doing well. The hard sell, though, serves to do nothing but turn people off.
Well said. It's inevitable that some conservatives are going to find themselves in opposition to a lot of stuff Trump does. It's perfectly fine to argue/debate those points, but the insistence on broad declarations of "support Trump" are wrong-headed. The only time that kind of broadly-stated support is really required, or even relevant, is when it is time to cast a vote.
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If NeverTrumpers unite to back Trump, then by definition they are not NeverTrumpers. But hey, we have been putting up with this passive BS for a couple of years now. The NT label gets tossed out there, and then the cowardly response about how you really weren't talking to any of the people here who have been labeled NT numerous times in the past.
The very gist of the op-ed is that because of the Kavanaugh fight, Conservatives are united in supporting Trump. Yet here you are still here sewing division with incessant bitching about NTers (without naming any names, of course) instead of rejoicing at the satisfaction of unity.
RE: bold. You misspelled "republicans"
Just because Erick Erickson found Jesus this week, doesn't follow that people who call themselves Conservatives are united behind him.
Jesus......that's the basis for the entire frigging argument here.
Too many so-called conservatives right here on this forum won't budge from their positions.
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I long for the day when posters will be able to criticize wrong-headed liberal positions coming from Trump without being labeled "NTers".
I long for the day when McDonalds goes back to their old recipe of tallow and cottonseed oil for their fries. That's never going to happen either.
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Well said. It's inevitable that some conservatives are going to find themselves in opposition to a lot of stuff Trump does. It's perfectly fine to argue/debate those points, but the insistence on broad declarations of "support Trump" are wrong-headed. The only time that kind of broadly-stated support is really required, or even relevant, is when it is time to cast a vote.
@Maj. Bill Martin
Thank you.
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Too many so-called conservatives right here on this forum won't budge from their positions.
Why should we?
You and yours do nothing to persuade - only to intimidate, ridicule and chastise the very core and foundations we hold because we do not genuflect Trump to your satisfaction.
You have driven any possible support away as you continue to illustrate yourselves as unhinged and as dangerous to personal liberty as the Marxist Left does.
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Why should we?
You and yours do nothing to persuade - only to intimidate, ridicule and chastise the very core and foundations we hold because we do not genuflect Trump to your satisfaction.
You have driven any possible support away as you continue to illustrate yourselves as unhinged and as dangerous to personal liberty as the Marxist Left does.
So....I'm put on this earth to "persuade" you to demonstrably support Pres. Trump, huh?
You can't make up your mind based upon events of the past two years??
GTFO..... :pop41:
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I thought this was a new thread, but scanning through I can see that I've read it at least 50 times before.
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I thought this was a new thread, but scanning through I can see that I've read it at least 50 times before.
So you are saying that calling people Never Trump cucks is timeless?
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I long for the day when posters will be able to criticize wrong-headed liberal positions coming from Trump without being labeled "NTers".
You and I both, Hoodat.
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Well said. It's inevitable that some conservatives are going to find themselves in opposition to a lot of stuff Trump does. It's perfectly fine to argue/debate those points, but the insistence on broad declarations of "support Trump" are wrong-headed. The only time that kind of broadly-stated support is really required, or even relevant, is when it is time to cast a vote.
But, but, but Major. The reasonable person you think you are having a discussion with has personally insulted me on numerous occasions. I don't enjoy that as much as maybe I should.
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RE: bold. You misspelled "republicans"
I wasn't referring to Republicans. I was referring to Conservatives. Thus, the word 'Conservatives'.
Just because Erick Erickson found Jesus this week,
I have a very, very, very low opinion of Erickson. His position turns on a dime. And he is a self-grandizing blowhard on the radio.
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So....I'm put on this earth to "persuade" you to demonstrably support Pres. Trump, huh?
You can't make up your mind based upon events of the past two years??
GTFO.....
You're the one pissed off that we will not budge from our position.
I simply asked you why we should and offered one reason why we haven't.
But then, as always - you go and do what you always do and assert that everyone should see your political hero as you do, and damn us to hell if we do not.
Which makes the point I contend, that people with your mindset are as dangerous to liberty as the unhinged Left and their mindset.
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You're the one pissed off that we will not budge from our position.
I simply asked you why we should and offered one reason why we haven't.
But then, as always - you go and do what you always do and assert that everyone should see your political hero as you do, and damn us to hell if we do not.
Which makes the point I contend, that people with your mindset are as dangerous to liberty as the unhinged Left and their mindset.
Uh.... I didn't damn you to hell, because I don't give a damn what you do at this point.
You're completely devoid of pragmatism. You're merely a fanatic zealot, waiting for YOUR hero.
Mine's living at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW.
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Trump is so flawed as a leader, a politician and as a human being that this "Never Trump" will never support him. The Trump cult can pass that doobie among themselves but I'll pass.. :shrug:
@montanajoe
YEP.
I think the Judge will vote pretty much as Kennedy has on most cases and on the social issues he will rename the opinions he wrote for Kennedy as a clerk but the outcome won't change..
The fact is as much as I'd like to see it Roe will never be overturned. This circus over Kavanaugh shows that it may be the one/only issue that motivates the base on both sides to keep electing the idiots in Washington... :shrug:
YEP.
Lose a Scalia and a Kennedy
replace with two Kennedys.
The math don't work out.
What bothers me is having to rise to defend the mediocre.
Lindsey Graham the great defender of conservatism...
Susan Collins, the great orator and defender of liberty...
And the Turtle, master parlimentarian, saves us all.
What a shit show.
Bread and circuses.
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Maybe there's hope for US after all @roamer_1 the Trumpers no longer hate Collins and Graham.
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@Hoodat
Damn. Just when I want to defend some who are not yet supporting the President...there you go again.
We are not supporting Trump vs Conservatism...we are supporting Trump because he is the most effective and ardent advocate FOR Conservatism. Yes, you have every right to criticize deficit spending...just as I could fairly criticize Reagan for the same...but you are wrong to pretend that Trump is not doing a whole catalog of other things that are powerfully ADVANCING the conservative cause.
So WE don't support Trump while YOU support Conservatism...we support Trump BECAUSE he advances Conservatism. Your expression to the contrary is disingenuous and counterproductive because you unfairly question the motives of those with whom you disagree.
@Mesaclone, this is what I was talking about earlier. @Hoodat said " I have heaped plenty of praise on President Trump and have loudly defended him against the lies of the left. Yet that still isn't good enough for you."
But you're saying he doesn't yet support the president. What do you want? Seriously.
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It's gonna be standing room only in hell once this thread is done.
In other news, Kavanaugh is officially in, and according to Twitter, the protesters let out a "primal scream."
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Just wanted to add into this that I bought a pair of shorts at K-Mart last week on deep deep discount when I was there looking for a soap holder for the garage. Wearing them today and they are not too bad. Should have bought a couple more pair, but I was too lazy to try them on and I wasn't sure they would fit, but for $5 bucks I thought I would gamble.
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In other news, Kavanaugh is officially in, and according to Twitter, the protesters let out a "primal scream."
I guess they’re gonna have to add another day to the calendar.....
https://www.newsweek.com/americans-scream-helplessly-sky-donald-trump-election-anniversary-690889 (https://www.newsweek.com/americans-scream-helplessly-sky-donald-trump-election-anniversary-690889)
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REAL Men and Women who are true Conservatives don't wear underwear @Frank Cannon /JS
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Just wanted to add into this that I bought a pair of shorts at K-Mart last week on deep deep discount when I was there looking for a soap holder for the garage.
Be honest. You went there because you saw an ad that said they were going to have all women’s dresses half off.
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Be honest. You went there because you saw an ad that said they were going to have all women’s dresses half off.
That sounds like a great deal until you realize that K-Mart is a step down from Walmart and you know what type of fat assed broad shops there.
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Just wanted to add into this that I bought a pair of shorts at K-Mart last week on deep deep discount when I was there looking for a soap holder for the garage. Wearing them today and they are not too bad. Should have bought a couple more pair, but I was too lazy to try them on and I wasn't sure they would fit, but for $5 bucks I thought I would gamble.
@Frank Cannon
You should go back and see if they have some left.
I need to run to the grocery store but they had one lane closed off yesterday for road work. Do those guys work on the weekends? Not that they seem to do anything but stand around during the week.
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I guess they’re gonna have to add another day to the calendar.....
https://www.newsweek.com/americans-scream-helplessly-sky-donald-trump-election-anniversary-690889 (https://www.newsweek.com/americans-scream-helplessly-sky-donald-trump-election-anniversary-690889)
That makes my slapping hand twitch.
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@Frank Cannon
You should go back and see if they have some left.
I need to run to the grocery store but they had one lane closed off yesterday for road work. Do those guys work on the weekends? Not that they seem to do anything but stand around during the week.
I would go back but I can only handle shopping with fat smelly people once a month. They are probably gone anyway. They were getting out the Christmas trees when I was there so that means they are clearing everything out now to make room for Easter shit.
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That sounds like a great deal until you realize that K-Mart is a step down from Walmart and you know what type of fat assed broad shops there.
I’m more surprised by the fact that the stores still exist.
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None of those are Conservative positions. None advanced Conservatism. Yet you say that you support Trump BECAUSE he advances Conservatism even though each of those positions is the exact opposite of Conservatism? I think not.
Absolutely right.
If Trump wants my support, then he will do Conservative things. But I WILL NOT support liberalism just because Trump is the one doing it. This really isn't complicated.
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But I am not about to turn my back on what is true and right. So I refuse to lie to others about how Trump is a swamp-drainer or how Trump is going to do away with baseline budgeting and demand that they swallow those lied. Because TRUTH is simply too important to forfeit for the sake of a king.
BRAVO!
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I’m more surprised by the fact that the stores still exist.
Well my K-Mart is difficult to get to. I have to drive my Delorean around 88 MPH and then it magically appears next to the Reagan PA '84 headquarters. That's weird because every time I go to vote the damn guy is never on the ballot.
(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-8GRvgBR_1Ko/TsqXhSZpyPI/AAAAAAAAAmg/u4xxPJbNO74/s1600/george_kmart2.jpg)
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Nice to see this thread did not turn into a
Kumba****ingya moment.
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Just wanted to add into this that I bought a pair of shorts at K-Mart last week on deep deep discount when I was there looking for a soap holder for the garage. Wearing them today and they are not too bad. Should have bought a couple more pair, but I was too lazy to try them on and I wasn't sure they would fit, but for $5 bucks I thought I would gamble.
I'm more concerned as to why you need a soap holder in the garage.
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I thought this was a new thread, but scanning through I can see that I've read it at least 50 times before.
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Just wanted to add into this that I bought a pair of shorts at K-Mart last week on deep deep discount when I was there looking for a soap holder for the garage. Wearing them today and they are not too bad. Should have bought a couple more pair, but I was too lazy to try them on and I wasn't sure they would fit, but for $5 bucks I thought I would gamble.
Lucky..our two K-marts closed.... happy77
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Too many so-called conservatives right here on this forum won't budge from their positions.
I am standing right where I have always been, my whole life. @DCPatriot
That you think I should move is the insult.
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I'm more concerned as to why you need a soap holder in the garage.
The kid was dicking around in there and knocked it off the sink and onto the floor. When I backed the Camaro in I ran over it. Don't worry though. When I went in the house I threw the little shit down the stairs while yelling at her so that isn't going to happen again.
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Maybe there's hope for US after all @roamer_1 the Trumpers no longer hate Collins and Graham.
@corbe
LOL! I know, right?
But sadly, I think that is moving in the other direction.
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I would go back but I can only handle shopping with fat smelly people once a month. They are probably gone anyway. They were getting out the Christmas trees when I was there so that means they are clearing everything out now to make room for Easter shit.
Something else that makes my slapping hand twitch.
I am not in the mood for Christmas trees when the damn temps around here can't get below 80.
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REAL Men and Women who are true Conservatives don't wear underwear @Frank Cannon /JS
Cause I'm FREEeee... Freeballin' - Tom Petty
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Something else that makes my slapping hand twitch.
I am not in the mood for Christmas trees when the damn temps around here can't get below 80.
It's like when I went to buy a new snow shovel at Lowes in February and the lackey told me they were all gone to make room for the tulip bulbs. Ended up buying a 2x4 and a baking sheet and making my own shovel.
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I am standing right where I have always been, my whole life. @DCPatriot
That you think I should move is the insult.
You can stay right where you are on that dirt road you are so fond of....Don't care.
Here in civilization, things work a bit differently.
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You can stay right where you are on that dirt road you are so fond of....Don't care.
Here in civilization, things work a bit differently.
I'm trying to hijack and ruin this thread. Can you take your self serving bullshit somewhere else please.
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You can stay right where you are on that dirt road you are so fond of....Don't care.
Here in civilization, things work a bit differently.
@DCPatriot
Yeah... That's the problem, not the solution.
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@Mesaclone, this is what I was talking about earlier. @Hoodat said " I have heaped plenty of praise on President Trump and have loudly defended him against the lies of the left. Yet that still isn't good enough for you."
But you're saying he doesn't yet support the president. What do you want? Seriously.
Where did I say he didn't support the president...you are mis-characterizing my reply. I simply criticized him for ignoring a host of other great accomplishments by the President.
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As Frank alluded to earlier, WE all know what the Pharaoh did to the peasants that refused to participate in the building of their pyramid.
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I'm trying to hijack and ruin this thread. Can you take your self serving bullshit somewhere else please.
888high58888
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@Night Hides Not I try not to chastise NTers. I was one myself for a long time. But you just referred to Trump supporters as Orange Brigadiers, which I admit is a step up from Orange Apes, but still not helpful.
It would be so self-defeating if you let these same Orange colored folks color your opinions to the point that you would refuse to give Trump credit even if you saw that it was deserved and kinda wanted to.
Both sides have been a little cranky with each other and you know that. But we would welcome you very warmly into the fold.
I beg to differ. The price of admission on the Trump Train is 100% fealty to Trump. Any deviation from Trump proclamations is met with anger...just ask Ted Cruz.
ETA - what is so wrong with Orange Brigadiers? It’s like Arnie’s Army.
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I beg to differ. The price of admission on the Trump Train is 100% fealty to Trump. Any deviation from Trump proclamations is met with anger...just ask Ted Cruz.
Ha, ha, ha @Night Hides Not Recent developments here have caused me to understand your position, if not totally agree with it.
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@DCPatriot
Yeah... That's the problem, not the solution.
****drummer
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The kid was dicking around in there and knocked it off the sink and onto the floor. When I backed the Camaro in I ran over it. Don't worry though. When I went in the house I threw the little shit down the stairs while yelling at her so that isn't going to happen again.
That'll teach her :police:
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You're merely a fanatic zealot, waiting for YOUR hero.
Mine's living at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW.
Mine is in the Third Heaven.
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(https://michaeljeshurun.files.wordpress.com/2017/01/trump-gods-chosen.jpg?w=1040)
Funny how that misuse of scripture did not apply when people like you were bashing Obama (rightfully so) but now, because your man-god is king - every knee should bow??
I think not.
Trump is not God's chosen anymore than Saul was.
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Funny how that misuse of scripture did not apply when people like you were bashing Obama (rightfully so) but now, because your man-god is king - every knee should bow??
I think not.
Trump is not God's chosen anymore than Saul was.
And contrary to your obvious high opinion of yourself and condescension to all who disagree with you....neither are you.
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No one is demanding compliance @goodwithagun This is just sloppy thinking.
And please stop threatening to do something you've already done--- it's silly.
1) Not even wasting my time going through past posts to copy/paste. You routinely deny reality and facts, especially when presented in black and white.
2) I’ve threatened nothing. That accusation further demonstrates your adversion to reality.
3) I don’t expect a reply like the last time I handed your ass to you. Remember that time @CatherineofAragon ? It was so bad @Right_in_Virginia didn’t even make up travel excuses!
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And contrary to your obvious high opinion of yourself and condescension to all who disagree with you....neither are you.
I never claimed to be a leader, nor will I ever strive to be one among the politics of men.
Rather, I wash feet and give a witness...and that is all.
Literally and figuratively.
(https://swordattheready.files.wordpress.com/2018/10/footwash.jpg)
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Mine is in the Third Heaven.
Exactly.
Thanks for playing. 888high58888
Prosecution rests....
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Just wanted to add into this that I bought a pair of shorts at K-Mart last week on deep deep discount when I was there looking for a soap holder for the garage. Wearing them today and they are not too bad. Should have bought a couple more pair, but I was too lazy to try them on and I wasn't sure they would fit, but for $5 bucks I thought I would gamble.
Thought you’d be more of a commando type :shrug:
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Exactly.
Thanks for playing.
Prosecution rests....
And yet you get all upset and deny it when someone notes that your fanatical zealotry of Trump actually is worship and idolatry.
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And yet you get all upset and deny it when someone notes that your fanatical zealotry of Trump actually is worship and idolatry.
Me upset?
You're the fanatical religious zealot. "Third heaven...."
Love the job President Trump is doing. Period.
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You're the fanatical religious zealot. "Third heaven...."
I guess you never went to Sunday School.
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I guess you never went to Sunday School.
Sisters of Mercy in parochial school...Franciscans and Jesuits thereafter.
Altar boy...
I didn't need Sunday School.
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Trump is not God's chosen anymore than Saul was.
Listen you dumb bastard. If you ever had Saul cut you a suit you would know he was God.....
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Thought you’d be more of a commando type :shrug:
I am. Shorts are things you wear that are like pants, but are shorter, hence the name.....
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Mine is in the Third Heaven.
! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjSxXmAQZtQ#)
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Sisters of Mercy in parochial school...Franciscans and Jesuits thereafter.
Altar boy...
I didn't need Sunday School.
Have you ever read the bible? Or did you assume you didn't need to read that either?
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I never claimed to be a leader, nor will I ever strive to be one among the politics of men.
Rather, I wash feet and give a witness...and that is all.
Literally and figuratively.
(https://swordattheready.files.wordpress.com/2018/10/footwash.jpg)
So...all you're saying is that you're like the Messiah. How humble of you.
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1) Not even wasting my time going through past posts to copy/paste. You routinely deny reality and facts, especially when presented in black and white.
2) I’ve threatened nothing. That accusation further demonstrates your adversion to reality.
3) I don’t expect a reply like the last time I handed your ass to you. Remember that time @CatherineofAragon ? It was so bad @Right_in_Virginia didn’t even make up travel excuses!
Listen up. If you have to SAY that you handed someone's ass to them...you didn't.
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So...all you're saying is that you're like the Messiah. How humble of you.
That is the point - To be like Yeshua.
He likewise stood on truth.
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I guess you never went to Sunday School.
Good to have ya back @INVAR ... been missing your input. Keeps things honest around here.
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So...all you're saying is that you're like the Messiah. How humble of you.
The act is a means of humbling, that was what it was designed for. To keep one humble.
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That is the point - To be like Yeshua.
He likewise stood on truth.
Which they hate.
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That is the point - To be like Yeshua.
He likewise stood on truth.
Of course...to strive. Not to humblebrag of "I'm washing feet and etcetera".
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Which they hate.
Hate. Heck no. Men like Jesus, Buddha and Gandhi exemplify the divine nature of mankind. Great folks to emulate...terrible men to use in a quest to condescend to your fellow man.
INVAR's approach to Christianity is embodied here:
“Everything they do is done for people to see: They make their phylacteries[a] wide and the tassels on their garments long; 6 they love the place of honor at banquets and the most important seats"
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Which they hate.
Could you identify precisely "who you mean, by "they?"
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FFS
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Of course...to strive. Not to humblebrag of "I'm washing feet and etcetera".
It ain't braggin if it's true.
There are few on this board that have @INVAR 's chops when it comes to 'walking in His shadow'. To include myself. You may disagree with Invar all you like, but he does indeed walk the walk.
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INVAR's approach to Christianity is embodied here:
“Everything they do is done for people to see: They make their phylacteries[a] wide and the tassels on their garments long; 6 they love the place of honor at banquets and the most important seats"
Quite the opposite is true.
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FFS
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It ain't braggin if it's true.
There are few on this board that have @INVAR 's chops when it comes to 'walking in His shadow'. To include myself. You may disagree with Invar all you like, but he does indeed walk the walk.
If its true...you especially don't need to brag.
And as you know very little about nearly every individual on this board, you've no idea if they walk the walk or not.
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It really was kind of nice when we were all getting along, though.
*sad wine sniff*
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1) Not even wasting my time going through past posts to copy/paste. You routinely deny reality and facts, especially when presented in black and white.
2) I’ve threatened nothing. That accusation further demonstrates your adversion to reality.
3) I don’t expect a reply like the last time I handed your ass to you. Remember that time @CatherineofAragon ? It was so bad @Right_in_Virginia didn’t even make up travel excuses!
@goodwithagun
Girl, I'm getting a head start on liquid courage for The Walking Dead premiere tomorrow night. I can't....what was that again?
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If its true...you especially don't need to brag.
And as you know very little about nearly every individual on this board, you've no idea if they walk the walk or not.
I known of Invar more thoroughly than that - Have known him nearly for decades by now.
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Remember this is not a religion thread (or forum).
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INVAR's approach to Christianity is embodied here:
“Everything they do is done for people to see: They make their phylacteries[a] wide and the tassels on their garments long; 6 they love the place of honor at banquets and the most important seats"
If that were so, I would be spending my time getting my mug on TV and seen in all the crystal cathedrals and white stone and masonry of the lukewarm churches here stateside. I would not be living in third world slums and literally washing the feet of the planet's least people on earth as they are measured by the standards of men.
That you would think such an admission is bragging or making myself out to be God is very illustrative of the same mindset that sought to stone Yeshua for quoting the scriptures in a context that went against their traditions. You are indeed speaking from the father of this age.
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Listen up. If you have to SAY that you handed someone's ass to them...you didn't.
Suck it up, buttercup. http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,328017.msg1766544.html#msg1766544 (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,328017.msg1766544.html#msg1766544)
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@goodwithagun
Girl, I'm getting a head start on liquid courage for The Walking Dead premiere tomorrow night. I can't....what was that again?
:beer:
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Where did I say he didn't support the president...you are mis-characterizing my reply. I simply criticized him for ignoring a host of other great accomplishments by the President.
@Mesaclone
What great accomplishments did I ignore? Please be specific.
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@goodwithagun
Girl, I'm getting a head start on liquid courage for The Walking Dead premiere tomorrow night. I can't....what was that again?
I'm trying the Balvenie. Very, very nice.
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:beer:
@goodwithagun
Here’s to ya! ***wine ***wine
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I'm trying the Balvenie. Very, very nice.
The 40 yr?
http://www.melandrose.com/istar.asp?a=6&id=93509&vfsku=93509&vfsku=93509&gpla=pla&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIrP2qjpvz3QIV3LbACh1SOQkeEAYYAiABEgL_GPD_BwE (http://www.melandrose.com/istar.asp?a=6&id=93509&vfsku=93509&vfsku=93509&gpla=pla&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIrP2qjpvz3QIV3LbACh1SOQkeEAYYAiABEgL_GPD_BwE)
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The 40 yr?
http://www.melandrose.com/istar.asp?a=6&id=93509&vfsku=93509&vfsku=93509&gpla=pla&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIrP2qjpvz3QIV3LbACh1SOQkeEAYYAiABEgL_GPD_BwE (http://www.melandrose.com/istar.asp?a=6&id=93509&vfsku=93509&vfsku=93509&gpla=pla&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIrP2qjpvz3QIV3LbACh1SOQkeEAYYAiABEgL_GPD_BwE)
No, that's a bit above my pay grade. I think this is 12 year.
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I'm trying the Balvenie. Very, very nice.
I got my husband a bottle of that of some variety. He likes it. Then I got him a bottle of the 18 year Glenfiddich and he likes that better.
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I got my husband a bottle of that of some variety. He likes it. Then I got him a bottle of the 18 year Glenfiddich and he likes that better.
I'm going to have to get another job.
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I'm going to have to get another job.
Hah, I had to get a part time job to afford it.
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Hate. Heck no. Men like Jesus, Buddha and Gandhi exemplify the divine nature of mankind. Great folks to emulate...terrible men to use in a quest to condescend to your fellow man.
INVAR's approach to Christianity is embodied here:
“Everything they do is done for people to see: They make their phylacteries[a] wide and the tassels on their garments long; 6 they love the place of honor at banquets and the most important seats"
Good Lord! Some people on this forum are as nasty as democrats and as hard to get along with.
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@RoosGirl
@goodwithagun
The Aberlour 12 isn’t a bank breaker and is a very nice highland single malt.
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@RoosGirl
@goodwithagun
The Aberlour 12 isn’t a bank breaker and is a very nice highland single malt.
Taking that into consideration! I’ll peruse the liquor store tomorrow.
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@RoosGirl
@goodwithagun
The Aberlour 12 isn’t a bank breaker and is a very nice highland single malt.
Are they Catholic or Protestant?
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I'm trying the Balvenie. Very, very nice.
@Sanguine
Lord, that's upper-class imbibing! Have a taste for me!
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Bunch of lushes on this forum
*sip*
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I'm going to have to get another job.
888mouth
I was in a little Irish pub conversing with a couple of old boys. Having a taste of this and that. Then one of those guys told the bartender, "give him some Jimmy's". The bartender brought out a plain quart jar. Talk about smooth. I was very impressed. They were impressed--with my stamina. And were nice enough to make sure I got back to the B&B.
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Sheesh. Y'all have high-maintenance men... Throw a sixpack of PBR in the fridge for me to find every now and then, and I am a happy, happy guy...
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I'm trying the Balvenie. Very, very nice.
Which one? The wrong answer puts you on ignore!
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888mouth
I was in a little Irish pub conversing with a couple of old boys. Having a taste of this and that. Then one of those guys told the bartender, "give him some Jimmy's". The bartender brought out a plain quart jar. Talk about smooth. I was very impressed. They were impressed--with my stamina. And were nice enough to make sure I got back to the B&B.
There's a lot to be said for stamina.
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Are they Catholic or Protestant?
Speyside scotch....guessing they’re catholic. It’s not the peaty type. Some prefer smokier types, but this isn’t one.
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Bunch of lushes on this forum
*sip*
We do what we can. happy77
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Holy smokes...I'm amazed, as always, by those who will support Trump whatever his position on any issue may be and those that don't can seemingly turn a simple tread into a marathon opus....
This great country in in peril, not because the politician of the day, be it Trump or anyone else, but because of the moral rot that has permeated the county as a whole since the 60's. The founders recognized the fragility of the experiment with the Constitutional Republic they were setting up.... knowing that it would only have a chance for success if the those consenting to be governed were "righteous" and were governed by those who were beyond moral reproach.
It often seems to me that both the political left and right are basically sports fans who don't like sports so they found another hobby. Unfortunately, it was politics.... both the political right and left have been successful in equating Conservatism with the political right, which in my view is totally inaccurate.
Conservatism, is a lifestyle, an inbred philosophy and way of life that, if lucky, one is born into. God, country and service is the way of ones life. A Conservative in my view does not pick and chose, nor distinguish their political beliefs from other parts of their life.
Trump, made a good pick and got a good SC but that in no way implies the man is a Conservative... :shrug:
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Which one? The wrong answer puts you on ignore!
Doublewood, 12 years.
You just had to get me to say that. :whistle:
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Doublewood, 12 years.
You just had to get me to say that. :whistle:
Well done. Here is your new avatar.....
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Well done. Here is your new avatar.....
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Yeah, like you could put me on ignore. :laugh:
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Yeah, like you could put me on ignore. :laugh:
Of course not. I dig chicks with whips.
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@Mesaclone
What great accomplishments did I ignore? Please be specific.
Having listed them many times, and others having done the same, feel free to review posting histories or simply look them up yourself. I'd certainly start with the lowest unemployment rate since 1969, rising wages, and multiple Supreme Court appointments...beating Hillary in the election should count as well, as its near certainty that no other Republican could have done so. You could then turn to other economic items like the renegotiation of NAFTA...and work up from there.
Its all well and good to point out his shortcomings...increasing the deficit certainly qualifies...but consider the alternative with these as well...a government shutdown that would launch the Dems to a broad electoral victory in 2018 and 2020 for example. But feel free to explore such issues on your own...its not my task to persuade you, I simply am asking you to look at ALL the facts/accomplishments of the President...as well as his failures (which are, interestingly, akin to Reagan's failures back in the 80's).
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Sheesh. Y'all have high-maintenance men... Throw a sixpack of PBR in the fridge for me to find every now and then, and I am a happy, happy guy...
Meh. Stops him from complaining about me getting my nails done :silly:
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Having listed them many times, and others having done the same, feel free to review posting histories or simply look them up yourself. I'd certainly start with the lowest unemployment rate since 1969, rising wages, and multiple Supreme Court appointments...beating Hillary in the election should count as well, as its near certainty that no other Republican could have done so. You could then turn to other economic items like the renegotiation of NAFTA...and work up from there.
Its all well and good to point out his shortcomings...increasing the deficit certainly qualifies...but consider the alternative with these as well...a government shutdown that would launch the Dems to a broad electoral victory in 2018 and 2020 for example. But feel free to explore such issues on your own...its not my task to persuade you, I simply am asking you to look at ALL the facts/accomplishments of the President...as well as his failures (which are, interestingly, akin to Reagan's failures back in the 80's).
You have the patience of a saint @Mesaclone
Why bother trying to educate Trump’s critics? They’ll just keep moving the goalposts and find something else to criticize – unless of course you really are a saint ...OMG! Mesaclone is a saint! Right here @TBR!
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Having listed them many times, and others having done the same, feel free to review posting histories or simply look them up yourself. I'd certainly start with the lowest unemployment rate since 1969, rising wages, and multiple Supreme Court appointments...beating Hillary in the election should count as well, as its near certainty that no other Republican could have done so. You could then turn to other economic items like the renegotiation of NAFTA...and work up from there.
Its all well and good to point out his shortcomings...increasing the deficit certainly qualifies...but consider the alternative with these as well...a government shutdown that would launch the Dems to a broad electoral victory in 2018 and 2020 for example. But feel free to explore such issues on your own...its not my task to persuade you, I simply am asking you to look at ALL the facts/accomplishments of the President...as well as his failures (which are, interestingly, akin to Reagan's failures back in the 80's).
<Comment on the topic, not the other posters.>
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@Mesaclone <Comment on the topic, not the other posters.>
Because <Comment on the topic, not the other posters.>
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womp, womp
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What are you doing up, so early @Emjay :smokin:
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What are you doing up, so early @Emjay :smokin:
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I have to get up early to take my little puppy for a walk before it gets really hot. And I have to take a couple of minutes to be a voice for reason before I go.
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I have to get up early to take my little puppy for a walk before it gets really hot. And I have to take a couple of minutes to be a voice for reason before I go.
In my experience, puppies don't appreciate voices of reason unless it involves eating or chasing a ball.
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In my experience, puppies don't appreciate voices of reason unless it involves eating or chasing a ball.
Sanguine, puppies are not the only critters who fail to appreciate voices of reason. Smitty really hates it when I sing to him or recite poetry to him. And I'm not even sure that my dear friend, @corbe appreciates my voice of reason.
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Holy smokes...I'm amazed, as always, by those who will support Trump whatever his position on any issue may be and those that don't can seemingly turn a simple tread into a marathon opus....
This great country in in peril, not because the politician of the day, be it Trump or anyone else, but because of the moral rot that has permeated the county as a whole since the 60's. The founders recognized the fragility of the experiment with the Constitutional Republic they were setting up.... knowing that it would only have a chance for success if the those consenting to be governed were "righteous" and were governed by those who were beyond moral reproach.
It often seems to me that both the political left and right are basically sports fans who don't like sports so they found another hobby. Unfortunately, it was politics.... both the political right and left have been successful in equating Conservatism with the political right, which in my view is totally inaccurate.
Conservatism, is a lifestyle, an inbred philosophy and way of life that, if lucky, one is born into. God, country and service is the way of ones life. A Conservative in my view does not pick and chose, nor distinguish their political beliefs from other parts of their life.
Trump, made a good pick and got a good SC but that in no way implies the man is a Conservative... :shrug:
Amen. Great post.
Trump has turned the presidency into comedy reality show. Yes he has done some good things. He has also been very bad for debt. He hasn't even come close to the finish line on campaign promises. Backward on debt. Building 100 million dollar 4 mile sections of wall. Bad! Jobs are up. 2 new Supreme Court justices. Great!
Tickets to Trump rallies get a comedy show. Mocker in Chief.
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Sanguine, puppies are not the only critters who fail to appreciate voices of reason. Smitty really hates it when I sing to him or recite poetry to him. And I'm not even sure that my dear friend, @corbe appreciates my voice of reason.
Odd. My puppies don't seem to appreciate my singing either.
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Sanguine, puppies are not the only critters who fail to appreciate voices of reason. Smitty really hates it when I sing to him or recite poetry to him. And I'm not even sure that my dear friend, @corbe appreciates my voice of reason.
@Emjay As an Avowed NT'er I already have too many voices in my head for yours to be heard, much less understood. wink777
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Holy smokes...I'm amazed, as always, by those who will support Trump whatever his position on any issue may be and those that don't can seemingly turn a simple tread into a marathon opus....
This great country in in peril, not because the politician of the day, be it Trump or anyone else, but because of the moral rot that has permeated the county as a whole since the 60's. The founders recognized the fragility of the experiment with the Constitutional Republic they were setting up.... knowing that it would only have a chance for success if the those consenting to be governed were "righteous" and were governed by those who were beyond moral reproach.
It often seems to me that both the political left and right are basically sports fans who don't like sports so they found another hobby. Unfortunately, it was politics.... both the political right and left have been successful in equating Conservatism with the political right, which in my view is totally inaccurate.
Conservatism, is a lifestyle, an inbred philosophy and way of life that, if lucky, one is born into. God, country and service is the way of ones life. A Conservative in my view does not pick and chose, nor distinguish their political beliefs from other parts of their life.
Trump, made a good pick and got a good SC but that in no way implies the man is a Conservative... :shrug:
@montanajoe I'm conservative myself and I don't like the current social fads concerning sexual mores either, but remember the pendulum always swings.
I think you are being somewhat dismissive of people who are interested in politics. They are not like sports fans at all. Sports are fun. It may make us blue if our team loses but not despondent. I was despondent over the recent battle about Judge Kavanaugh. I was terrified that this good man could be ruined by an evil woman and her cohorts.
And I think you are unfairly dismissive about Trump. He is not an Ideologue, he's more of a practical guy. But his practical ideas have been quite beneficial to the country in many, many ways.
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@Emjay As an Avowed NT'er I already have too many voices in my head for yours to be heard, much less understood. wink777
@corbe Should I stop talking then?
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@corbe Should I stop talking then?
Absolutely not, It's all just 'white noise' and usually relaxes me.
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@montanajoe I'm conservative myself and I don't like the current social fads concerning sexual mores either, but remember the pendulum always swings.
I think you are being somewhat dismissive of people who are interested in politics. They are not like sports fans at all. Sports are fun. It may make us blue if our team loses but not despondent. I was despondent over the recent battle about Judge Kavanaugh. I was terrified that this good man could be ruined by an evil woman and her cohorts.
And I think you are unfairly dismissive about Trump. He is not an Ideologue, he's more of a practical guy. But his practical ideas have been quite beneficial to the country in many, many ways.
...who’s gotten big things done in the face of tremendous opposition, and resistance even from within his own party. Think of that. Every president in recent memory got a honeymoon after election – Trump got incoming mortar fire. Yet, he beat them all back and is winning in spite of treacherous state actors and actions to undermine his presidency.
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...who’s gotten big things done in the face of tremendous opposition, and resistance even from within his own party. Think of that. Every president in recent memory got a honeymoon after election – Trump got incoming mortar fire. Yet, he beat them all back and is winning in spite treacherous state actors and actions to undermine his presidency.
I know @aligncare It is funny to be how unflappable he is. It is hysterical. He does not feel the blows and he gives much better than he gets. He is truly the President for these times. It's taken me a while to appreciate that because I used to cringe a little at some of his tweets, but no more.
He's managed to turn the entertainment community leftists into caricatures as they've gone nuts with rage at their inability to bring him down.
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Absolutely not, It's all just 'white noise' and usually relaxes me.
Ouch, corbe, that is just mean.
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Ouch, corbe, that is just mean.
You are a White Woman, am I correct?
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You are a White Woman, am I correct?
SMH......always the bleep. **nononono*
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It's encouraging @DCPatriot that after 16 pages someone still gives a $hit.
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You are a White Woman, am I correct?
That information is currently unavailable to you, corbe.
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Ha, ha, ha @Night Hides Not Recent developments here have caused me to understand your position, if not totally agree with it.
@Emjay
I’m sorry. I trust you know why.
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@Emjay
I’m sorry. I trust you know why.
I don't, but my memory is not all that great.
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I don't, but my memory is not all that great.
@Emjay
I was one of those who have given you a ration of crap. I painted you with too broad a brush. I was wrong and I apologize.
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SMH......always the bleep. **nononono*
@corbe is just following your example.
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It's encouraging @DCPatriot that after 16 pages someone still gives a $hit.
As far as I can tell they don't. This thread is a whose who in butt kissing. Kavanaugh was old news as soon as the vote was over.
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As far as I can tell they don't. This thread is a whose who in butt kissing. Kavanaugh was old news as soon as the vote was over.
Just wait until it gets to the point where we are discussing Lincoln and the Civil War.
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Just wait until it gets to the point where we are discussing Lincoln and the Civil War.
That would be older news.
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...who’s gotten big things done in the face of tremendous opposition, and resistance even from within his own party. Think of that. Every president in recent memory got a honeymoon after election – Trump got incoming mortar fire. Yet, he beat them all back and is winning in spite of treacherous state actors and actions to undermine his presidency.
goopo
Quite true, and Kavanaugh really was a favorite of a lot of establishment types, small wonder, McConnell and Graham were at the forefront of this fight.
Perhaps, to an extent, they are unified now. Let's see how well that can work and if it is not too late.
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goopo
Quite true, and Kavanaugh really was a favorite of a lot of establishment types, small wonder, McConnell and Graham were at the forefront of this fight.
Perhaps, to an extent, they are unified now. Let's see how well that can work and if it is not too late.
Establishment types, Rhino's? According to Susan Collins Kavanaugh should have been a golden gift to Democrats from the Republican party. I have no complaints as long as his decisions are based on the Constitution. But when Collins went on about same sex marriage and abortion I wondered what their problem with him was? I understand legal precedence. Can't really fault him. But we will have to wait and see which way Kavanaugh rolls.
My guess is going to be the direction Republicans have been going for a long time. Further left.
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Good Point @TomSea but both Gorsuch and Kavanaugh should NOT have been a stretch for the GOP, since McConnell went thermal.
Hypothetically, how would a Strict Constitutionalist like Cruz or Lee fare through that good ol boys club, even being that they are universally hated by that august body?
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Can't really fault him. But we will have to wait and see which way Kavanaugh rolls.
YEP.
My guess is going to be the direction Republicans have been going for a long time. Further left.
Yep, sommore. Trading a Scalia and a Kennedy for two Kennedys is going in the wrong direction. Jussayin.
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YEP.
Yep, sommore. Trading a Scalia and a Kennedy for two Kennedys is going in the wrong direction. Jussayin.
If you keep telling yourself that you are 'winning' over and over again, you may one day believe it - despite evidence to the contrary.
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YEP.
Yep, sommore. Trading a Scalia and a Kennedy for two Kennedys is going in the wrong direction. Jussayin.
I don't think the US will ever recover from GOP adopting to social justice madness. We have allowed our morals to be tossed in the wind for too long. A more Conservative Judge could not be confirmed at this time. Look what they did to a moderate judge.
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If you keep telling yourself that you are 'winning' over and over again, you may one day believe it - despite evidence to the contrary.
Yeah, that don't work for me. :shrug:
Every time I have to drag myself back up off the ground, I know that ain't winning.
Funny that way, I guess.
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I don't think the US will ever recover from GOP adopting to social justice madness. We have allowed our morals to be tossed in the wind for too long. A more Conservative Judge could not be confirmed at this time. Look what they did to a moderate judge.
Maybe so. But that suggests that any part of what you are seeing is real...
Turtle, the Great Conservative Parliamentarian...
Susan Collins, the Great Conservative Orator...
Lindsay Friggin Elf-shoes Graham (Lindsay Friggin Graham, now), the Great Conservative Warrior...
Gimme a break *****rollingeyes*****
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Yeah, that don't work for me. :shrug:
Every time I have to drag myself back up off the ground, I know that ain't winning.
Funny that way, I guess.
Defeatist.
No one likes negativity Hoss. So we have been told repeatedly.
Isaiah 30:10 dude. We be living in it.
Reality is too tough for snowflakes and it's not fair.
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You left out that Great Conservative Warrior Joe Manchin.
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Defeatist.
Yeah... It's what I do. Not seeking after truth... Just being contrary, doncha know.
No one likes negativity Hoss. So we have been told repeatedly.
Rose (orange) colored glasses just ain't my thing.
Isaiah 30:10 dude. We be living in it.
AND HOW.
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You left out that Great Conservative Warrior Joe Manchin.
IKR? Who's buying this crap?
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Maybe so. But that suggests that any part of what you are seeing is real...
Turtle, the Great Conservative Parliamentarian...
Susan Collins, the Great Conservative Orator...
Lindsay Friggin Elf-shoes Graham (Lindsay Friggin Graham, now), the Great Conservative Warrior...
Gimme a break *****rollingeyes*****
The only way you will find Conservatism these days would be to go outside the GOP.
Lindsay Friggin Elf-shoes Graham :mauslaff: I think Mr. Elf is going way overboard now. Hard to take him seriously. He's trying to impress way to hard. Trump and Elf shoes are like the Odd Couple.
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Trump and Elf shoes are like the Odd Couple.
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LOL!
Just wait...
We still have to see how that Ultra-Conservative new senator from the Great State of Utah fits into this mess... *****rollingeyes*****
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LOL!
Just wait...
We still have to see how that Ultra-Conservative new senator from the Great State of Utah fits into this mess... *****rollingeyes*****
Who's that?
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Who's that?
Mitt Romney.
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Mitt Romney.
Nothing new about than roamer. That's recycling.
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@Emjay
I was one of those who have given you a ration of crap. I painted you with too broad a brush. I was wrong and I apologize.
Oh, @Axeslinger You weren't that bad and I totally forgive you and deeply appreciate the apology. It is a rare thing for me to get.
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Romney's a Republican first and foremost he'll do everything he can to protect the Brand, even it he's convinced he has to destroy Trump to do that.. Stock up on popcorn.
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Establishment types, Rhino's? According to Susan Collins Kavanaugh should have been a golden gift to Democrats from the Republican party. I have no complaints as long as his decisions are based on the Constitution. But when Collins went on about same sex marriage and abortion I wondered what their problem with him was? I understand legal precedence. Can't really fault him. But we will have to wait and see which way Kavanaugh rolls.
My guess is going to be the direction Republicans have been going for a long time. Further left.
C'mon you guys. I think Kavanaugh will be a great Justice. He had to take certain lines to get by the idiots. He's made so many decisions in his time on lower courts and all of them have been beyond criticism. I'm thinking and hoping he will be a strong states rights advocate and will help states to pass anti-abortion laws statewise.
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Romney's a Republican first and foremost he'll do everything he can to protect the Brand, even it he's convinced he has to destroy Trump to do that.. Stock up on popcorn.
Romney is a weak guy. I couldn't believe how he laid down in the second debate with Obama after showing a little something in the first one. Obama should have been a piece of cake for Romney to out-debate. Obama is dumb. I don't think Trump has much to fear from Romney.
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Your Boys just made a a valiant Goal Line stand
Houston 16
Dallas 13
4th quarter.
Incidentally Romney's Niece runs the GOP and has a lot of power especially now that they fired the Fixer, Cohen.
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Romney is a weak guy. I couldn't believe how he laid down in the second debate with Obama after showing a little something in the first one. Obama should have been a piece of cake for Romney to out-debate. Obama is dumb. I don't think Trump has much to fear from Romney.
One thing that Trump gets right about Democrats is that you can't be nice them...because they certainly will not be nice to you. You have to tell the truth about them.
Tell the truth....Dems are scoundrels. Both McCain and Romney tried to be nice. They both got beat.
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C'mon you guys. I think Kavanaugh will be a great Justice. He had to take certain lines to get by the idiots. He's made so many decisions in his time on lower courts and all of them have been beyond criticism. I'm thinking and hoping he will be a strong states rights advocate and will help states to pass anti-abortion laws statewise.
Not yours or mine. Never happen. I have my sights on defunding Planned Parenthood. It is unconstitutional for our government to force Americans to pay for abortion.
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I have my sights on defunding Planned Parenthood. It is unconstitutional for our government to force Americans to pay for abortion.
I have my sights set on NOT funding Planned Parenthood. Every year, it requires action and a vote to fund them. Without that action or vote, they would not receive a dime of taxpayer money.
The term 'defund' implies an action be taken, when in reality no action at all is required. Unfortunately, our Republicans take action each and every year to hand over $500 million of our money.
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I have my sights set on NOT funding Planned Parenthood. Every year, it requires action and a vote to fund them. Without that action or vote, they would not receive a dime of taxpayer money.
The term 'defund' implies an action be taken, when in reality no action at all is required. Unfortunately, our Republicans take action each and every year to hand over $500 million of our money.
And we must not exclude the president from this failure. He keeps signing it.
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And we must not exclude the president from this failure. He keeps signing it.
And you just love to blame him, don't you? Well, news flash. It is not his fault.
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Well, news flash. It is not his fault.
Unbelievable.
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And you just love to blame him, don't you? Well, news flash. It is not his fault.
News Flash
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And you just love to blame him, don't you? Well, news flash. It is not his fault.
@Emjay
It's never his fault. Somehow he was always tricked or thwarted. Often by the GOPe and rats he gave campaign contributions too How could it be Trump's fault when he said the spending bills he signed were "unacceptable?" Look up the word "unacceptable" Never Trumpers and decide if you want to live in a world where rat's can accuse a SCOTUS nominee of filthy behavior and lose. /sarc
Who is to blame when a GOP President, Senate, and House continue with the same practices they campaigned against?
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Not yours or mine. Never happen. I have my sights on defunding Planned Parenthood. It is unconstitutional for our government to force Americans to pay for abortion.
Do you think it is unconstitutional to force pacifists to pay tax money to support the military?
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Not yours or mine. Never happen. I have my sights on defunding Planned Parenthood. It is unconstitutional for our government to force Americans to pay for abortion.
Do you think it is unconstitutional to force pacifists to pay tax money to support the military?
At least we've determined that our tax money does indeed fund abortion.
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Do you think it is unconstitutional to force pacifists to pay tax money to support the military?
Interesting question.
Along that line since I believe it’s morally wrong to accept government handouts, I suppose I could demand that portion of my money that goes to pay for welfare deducted from my tax bill.
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Not yours or mine. Never happen. I have my sights on defunding Planned Parenthood. It is unconstitutional for our government to force Americans to pay for abortion.
Actually @Chosen Daughter it's unconstitutional for our government to *force* Americans to pay for anything.
That being said, what other expenditures would you like to see on the chopping block?
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Do you think it is unconstitutional to force pacifists to pay tax money to support the military?
Wow what a typical leftist trap question. So much for your cries of unite!
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Wow what a typical leftist trap question. So much for your cries of unite!
It's an interesting line of thought, but unfortunately @Jazzhead picked one of the very few Constitutional duties of the federal government to use here. Yes, pacifists living in the US should have to pay to fund the military. Welfare - no.
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Do you think it is unconstitutional to force pacifists to pay tax money to support the military?
No, not at all.
Preamble:
We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of ...
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It's an interesting line of thought, but unfortunately @Jazzhead picked one of the very few Constitutional duties of the federal government to use here. Yes, pacifists living in the US should have to pay to fund the military. Welfare - no.
That's right. Welfare, Social Security, etcetera ad infinitum - All may have a place, but that place is not the federal government.
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“I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents.â€
― James Madison
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Do you think it is unconstitutional to force pacifists to pay tax money to support the military?
No, because it is in the Constitution to fund the military. It is necessary for the defense of the country. How could it be unconstitutional when it is in the Constitution?
It isn't however in the Constitution that people must pay to kill babies.
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That's right. Welfare, Social Security, etcetera ad infinitum - All may have a place, but that place is not the federal government.
:beer:
Yep that is unconstitutional also.
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Actually @Chosen Daughter it's unconstitutional for our government to *force* Americans to pay for anything.
That being said, what other expenditures would you like to see on the chopping block?
Common sense cuts to welfare. Like forcing people to raise illegal immigrant families. Providing food, phones, health........
And before you or anyone says illegals can't get welfare, yes they can and do. All part of chain migration and children they have during their illegal stay in the United States.
That is charity and its unconstitutional to force me to pay for it. It is charity and it is illegal. Against our laws yet we still allow it. Thousands come across the border every day. And a four mile section of fence here and there isn't going to stop them. It takes maybe an hour to walk around.
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Common sense cuts to welfare. Like forcing people to raise illegal immigrant families. Providing food, phones, health........
And before you or anyone says illegals can't get welfare, yes they can and do. All part of chain migration and children they have during their illegal stay in the United States.
That is charity and its unconstitutional to force me to pay for it. It is charity and it is illegal. Against our laws yet we still allow it. Thousands come across the border every day. And a four mile section of fence here and there isn't going to stop them. It takes maybe an hour to walk around.
Just getting rid of the duplication, waste, fraud, and abuse within the fed gov itself would be a very good thing!
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Actually @Chosen Daughter it's unconstitutional for our government to *force* Americans to pay for anything.
That being said, what other expenditures would you like to see on the chopping block?
What services are invaluable, and incapable for the several states to administer?
Military
Foreign Services
Interstate and international due process/interdiction (Federal LEO)
Weights and measures
What else?
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Add
Coin of the Realm
Interstate systems (road, track, navigable waterways)
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Along that line since I believe it’s morally wrong to accept government handouts, I suppose I could demand that portion of my money that goes to pay for welfare deducted from my tax bill.
@aligncare
That portion is in excess of 100%. Every single dollar collected from the federal income tax still does not cover the amount paid in direct payment handouts (entitlements [sic]) to individuals. Every single dollar you pay in federal income tax goes towards income redistribution. Every single dollar. Our government borrows to pay for everything else (defense, etc.)
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It's an interesting line of thought, but unfortunately @Jazzhead picked one of the very few Constitutional duties of the federal government to use here. Yes, pacifists living in the US should have to pay to fund the military. Welfare - no.
You would think a lawyer would know those kind of things.
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You would think a lawyer would know those kind of things.
A lawyer would know those kind of things. Anyone who does not has no business being a lawyer.
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@Emjay
It's never his fault. Somehow he was always tricked or thwarted. Often by the GOPe and rats he gave campaign contributions too How could it be Trump's fault when he said the spending bills he signed were "unacceptable?" Look up the word "unacceptable" Never Trumpers and decide if you want to live in a world where rat's can accuse a SCOTUS nominee of filthy behavior and lose. /sarc
Who is to blame when a GOP President, Senate, and House continue with the same practices they campaigned against?
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@Once-Ler There are two sides to that coin. It is sometimes his fault, but in your world, it is ALWAYS his fault. Your world is a strange one, by the way. A lot of us see progress. We see an improving economy. We see a President who unashamedly promotes his own country. We see a man who is able to make International trade deals favorable to America when no other President even tried.
We see a President who supports the military and the police. We see one who desperately wants to protect our country from being overwhelmed with illegal immigrants but who has been thwarted in those efforts by Obama appointed judges and a timid Congress.
We also see a guy who has no filter; who shoots his mouth off constantly and who offends a lot of people.
But, we don't care.
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Just getting rid of the duplication, waste, fraud, and abuse within the fed gov itself would be a very good thing!
Yeah, Bigun. It doesn't get much press but Trump has made a lot of efforts to cut back useless and duplicate government agencies. Sometimes it's good to have a practical business man on board.
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@Once-Ler There are two sides to that coin. It is sometimes his fault, but in your world, it is ALWAYS his fault. Your world is a strange one, by the way. A lot of us see progress. We see an improving economy. We see a President who unashamedly promotes his own country. We see a man who is able to make International trade deals favorable to America when no other President even tried.
We see a President who supports the military and the police. We see one who desperately wants to protect our country from being overwhelmed with illegal immigrants but who has been thwarted in those efforts by Obama appointed judges and a timid Congress.
We also see a guy who has no filter; who shoots his mouth off constantly and who offends a lot of people.
But, we don't care.
When he took the oath of office, Trump was handed the nuclear football. Damn right it's his "fault", when he signs legislation that he's publicly railed against. Can't have it both ways.
By his actions, he's demonstrated he's not against illegal immigration as much as you think. He has a long, documented history of hiring foreign workers at his resorts.
Believe me, when it comes to Trump, we KNOW you don't care. He has carte blanche to do whatever he wants, because it's all couched in MAGA and Winning!
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When he took the oath of office, Trump was handed the nuclear football. Damn right it's his "fault", when he signs legislation that he's publicly railed against. Can't have it both ways.
By his actions, he's demonstrated he's not against illegal immigration as much as you think. He has a long, documented history of hiring foreign workers at his resorts.
Believe me, when it comes to Trump, we KNOW you don't care. He has carte blanche to do whatever he wants, because it's all couched in MAGA and Winning!
Most real conservatives do care, though. It's just that... with the economy going so swimmingly at the moment, with the military being rebuilt and revamped... which means national security is increased, most of us are willing to give Trump some leeway on the issues we do not give him an "A+" approval on. Issues like the spiraling, out of control debt/deficit, which ... if not curbed, will eventually collapse our economy completely like a deflated balloon, or like an exploded and crashed Hindenburg.
My main concern is how clueless Trump might be as to the efforts and tactics of the left re: tanking our economy under his "guidance".... which they are no doubt working feverishly on behind the scenes. He seems to come off as clueless about such things at times... but makes you wonder if it's all an act. Time will tell, I guess.
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When he took the oath of office, Trump was handed the nuclear football. Damn right it's his "fault", when he signs legislation that he's publicly railed against. Can't have it both ways.
By his actions, he's demonstrated he's not against illegal immigration as much as you think. He has a long, documented history of hiring foreign workers at his resorts.
Believe me, when it comes to Trump, we KNOW you don't care. He has carte blanche to do whatever he wants, because it's all couched in MAGA and Winning!
You misunderstood me, I assume, deliberately. What I meant was I've stopped caring about his rough personality because he's doing the right thing for the country.
I'm not sure if you know how the Constitution works, but the President doesn't make laws; he signs or refuses to sign the legislation he is presented. The President has to decide if there is enough good in the legislation to make it worth signing.
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No, because it is in the Constitution to fund the military. It is necessary for the defense of the country. How could it be unconstitutional when it is in the Constitution?
It isn't however in the Constitution that people must pay to kill babies.
Items of expenditure lawfully appropriated by Congress can be lawfully funded with tax dollars. I understand that you do not favor the use of tax money to fund abortion (far more tax money, for what it's worth, is used to provide single mothers with welfare). The solution is to change the law which provides for the appropriation. But such appropriations aren't "unconstitutional"; they're merely for stuff you don't like. And no one has the right to pay only a portion of his or her tax bill corresponding to only the stuff they like.
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I'm not sure if you know how the Constitution works, but the President doesn't make laws; he signs or refuses to sign the legislation he is presented. The President has to decide if there is enough good in the legislation to make it worth signing.
He didn’t need to sign the omnibus bill to pass the military spending. That had already been signed months before. Constitutionally, the bill becomes law without a presidential signature after 10 days. So, his whole mopey faced “I’ll never sign a bill like this again†act was a farce.
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You misunderstood me, I assume, deliberately. What I meant was I've stopped caring about his rough personality because he's doing the right thing for the country.
I'm not sure if you know how the Constitution works, but the President doesn't make laws; he signs or refuses to sign the legislation he is presented. The President has to decide if there is enough good in the legislation to make it worth signing.
The problem is the nature of omnibus legislation. A President can't veto a spending bill containing appropriations to fund abortions without vetoing the entire bill, or shutting down the government over a comparatively miniscule expenditure. Some folks favor giving the President a line-item veto - something requiring a Constitutional change, since it would shift power dramatically from the legislature to the executive.
As for the current budget deficits, I think the jury's out. A balanced budget is an abstract ideal that isn't currently realistic. And the only way for it to some day become realistic is to restore 4 percent-plus economic growth per year. Trump's budget, therefore, is a calculated risk - tax cuts intended to spur growth, which in the short term may increase deficits but in the longer run may create the conditions for growth that can make a more balanced budget attainable.
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The problem is the nature of omnibus legislation. A President can't veto a spending bill containing appropriations to fund abortions without vetoing the entire bill, or shutting down the government over a comparatively miniscule expenditure. Some folks favor giving the President a line-item veto - something requiring a Constitutional change, since it would shift power dramatically from the legislature to the executive.
As for the current budget deficits, I think the jury's out. A balanced budget is an abstract ideal that isn't currently realistic. And the only way for it to some day become realistic is to restore 4 percent-plus economic growth per year. Trump's budget, therefore, is a calculated risk - tax cuts intended to spur growth, which in the short term may increase deficits but in the longer run may create the conditions for growth that can make a more balanced budget attainable.
You are making fiscal, logical sense here. So I have one question.
Who are you (really)... and what have you done with the REAL Jazzhead?????
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A balanced budget is an abstract ideal that isn't currently realistic.
My kitchen table says otherwise. Every single fiscally conservative principle says otherwise.
First rule of holes applies in all caps.
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Issues like the spiraling, out of control debt/deficit, which ... if not curbed, will eventually collapse our economy completely like a deflated balloon, or like an exploded and crashed Hindenburg.
We are past that point already. The laws of mathematics and economics have been circumvented as far as they can go, and they WILL assert themselves upon our heads at some point in the not-too-distant-future. There is not enough wealth on the planet to cover the amounts we owe and are spending in innumerable IOUs charged to our posterity to several generations.
So while everyone is partying like it's 1999 while yelling to themselves that the economy is great and marvelous and we gots nothing to worry about - the morning hangover and woe is coming. The longer we artificially stave off consequences while spending more egregiously than liberal Democrats - the more devastating the morning after is gonna be.
It's a mathematical certainty.
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We are past that point already. The laws of mathematics and economics have been circumvented as far as they can go, and they WILL assert themselves upon our heads at some point in the not-too-distant-future. There is not enough wealth on the planet to cover the amounts we owe and are spending in innumerable IOUs charged to our posterity to several generations.
So while everyone is partying like it's 1999 while yelling to themselves that the economy is great and marvelous and we gots nothing to worry about - the morning hangover and woe is coming. The longer we artificially stave off consequences while spending more egregiously than liberal Democrats - the more devastating the morning after is gonna be.
It's a mathematical certainty.
Well... it certainly doesn't help that the rabid, radical left is no doubt TRYING to make that mathematical certainty happen during Trump's presidency. They managed it before. Only question is... can they do it again...? With billionaire aholes like Soros on their team, I'm betting yes.
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My kitchen table says otherwise. Every single fiscally conservative principle says otherwise.
First rule of holes applies in all caps.
It may not be currently realistic considering the spendaholic Congresscritters we have in DC right now. And yeah, Trump never was concerned with spending, so....
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It may not be currently realistic considering the spendaholic Congresscritters we have in DC right now. And yeah, Trump never was concerned with spending, so....
The only limit on a spendaholic congress is the presidential veto, so...
Ultimately, that must needs be the hill to die on.
None of the rest is possible without the money to make it go.
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The NeverTrump people, they are with me.
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The problem is the nature of omnibus legislation. A President can't veto a spending bill containing appropriations to fund abortions without vetoing the entire bill, or shutting down the government over a comparatively miniscule expenditure. Some folks favor giving the President a line-item veto - something requiring a Constitutional change, since it would shift power dramatically from the legislature to the executive.
As for the current budget deficits, I think the jury's out. A balanced budget is an abstract ideal that isn't currently realistic. And the only way for it to some day become realistic is to restore 4 percent-plus economic growth per year. Trump's budget, therefore, is a calculated risk - tax cuts intended to spur growth, which in the short term may increase deficits but in the longer run may create the conditions for growth that can make a more balanced budget attainable.
Good post @Jazzhead
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The only limit on a spendaholic congress is the presidential veto, so...
Ultimately, that must needs be the hill to die on.
None of the rest is possible without the money to make it go.
Well..... then.....
we're screwed. lol
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Well..... then.....
we're screwed. lol
As @INVAR said - It is a mathematical certainty.
If you kept taxation as it is, and cut spending by 75% it would still be decade upon decade to pay it off.
Even WITH serious economic growth. That's what needs to be done, and every year it is foregone is ten more years paying it off.
At some point, it is irretrievable. If Invar is not precisely right, that horizon is swiftly coming to the fore.
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As @INVAR said - It is a mathematical certainty.
If you kept taxation as it is, and cut spending by 75% it would still be decade upon decade to pay it off.
Even WITH serious economic growth. That's what needs to be done, and every year it is foregone is ten more years paying it off.
At some point, it is irretrievable. If Invar is not precisely right, that horizon is swiftly coming to the fore.
So maybe instead, we should start realistically looking at how to deal with this impending and inevitable collapse. What 'could' be done to recover. What steps could be taken now (sans reeling in spending) to lessen the impact of said disaster? One thing's for sure... the radical left (our enemy within) will take full advantage of such an event to implement their long awaited moist dream of complete takeover. And our enemies without would probably also take advantage of our weakness. Again...
looks like we're screwed.
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So maybe instead, we should start realistically looking at how to deal with this impending and inevitable collapse. What 'could' be done to recover. What steps could be taken now (sans reeling in spending) to lessen the impact of said disaster? One thing's for sure... the radical left (our enemy within) will take full advantage of such an event to implement their long awaited moist dream of complete takeover. And our enemies without would probably also take advantage of our weakness. Again...
looks like we're screwed.
The only thing is to go back to the principles that made America what it was... To include one helluva lot of prayer... Because even with serious Conservative restraint, it's gonna take a miracle.
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The only thing is to go back to the principles that made America what it was... To include one helluva lot of prayer... Because even with serious Conservative restraint, it's gonna take a miracle.
Agreed. Especially since.... most Americans aren't aware of the impending collapse. Ignorance really is bliss.
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The only thing is to go back to the principles that made America what it was...
No one wants them.
They are 'unrealistic', 'holier-than-thou-self-righteous' and 'extremist', so sayeth our 'betters' who are basking in Trump's 'winning'.
In fact, as a whole lot of discussion here on this board attests in the last few months, those principles are as despised and hated by the so-called Trumplican 'right' as they are by the rabid Marxist Left.
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No one wants them.
They are 'unrealistic', 'holier-than-thou-self-righteous' and 'extremist', so sayeth our 'betters' who are basking in Trump's 'winning'.
In fact, as a whole lot of discussion here on this board attests in the last few months, those principles are as despised and hated by the so-called Trumplican 'right' as they are by the rabid Marxist Left.
Sooner or later, the bean counter comes to call - And I predict that will be 'our fault' too.
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So maybe instead, we should start realistically looking at how to deal with this impending and inevitable collapse. What 'could' be done to recover. What steps could be taken now (sans reeling in spending) to lessen the impact of said disaster? One thing's for sure... the radical left (our enemy within) will take full advantage of such an event to implement their long awaited moist dream of complete takeover. And our enemies without would probably also take advantage of our weakness. Again...
looks like we're screwed.
Those are good, fundamental questions that we should already have answers for. Unless we just want to wait and wing it. **nononono*
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As @INVAR said - It is a mathematical certainty.
If you kept taxation as it is, and cut spending by 75% it would still be decade upon decade to pay it off.
Balance the budget 20 years in a row, and the national debt is eliminated.
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The problem is the nature of omnibus legislation. A President can't veto a spending bill containing appropriations to fund abortions without vetoing the entire bill, or shutting down the government over a comparatively miniscule expenditure. Some folks favor giving the President a line-item veto - something requiring a Constitutional change, since it would shift power dramatically from the legislature to the executive.
As for the current budget deficits, I think the jury's out. A balanced budget is an abstract ideal that isn't currently realistic. And the only way for it to some day become realistic is to restore 4 percent-plus economic growth per year. Trump's budget, therefore, is a calculated risk - tax cuts intended to spur growth, which in the short term may increase deficits but in the longer run may create the conditions for growth that can make a more balanced budget attainable.
Where does Congress get the constitutional right to collect taxes for expenses not enumerated in Article I, Section 8? @Jazzhead
(Serious question, I can't find it) Thanks.
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Sooner or later, the bean counter comes to call - And I predict that will be 'our fault' too.
Yes it will. A mob suffering from consequences they brought upon themselves always looks for a scapegoat to sacrifice to appease the rage and need to blame.
Balance the budget 20 years in a row, and the national debt is eliminated.
Impossible.
You first have to cure everyones addiction to other people's money.
And this corrupted government is incurable of that disease by it's very nature.
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Yes it will. A mob suffering from consequences they brought upon themselves always looks for a scapegoat to sacrifice to appease the rage and need to blame.
Impossible.
You first have to cure everyones addiction to other people's money.
And this corrupted government is incurable of that disease by it's very nature.
The problem is that everybody hates pork, except when it's 'their' pork.
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Balance the budget 20 years in a row, and the national debt is eliminated.
I think that an all too rosy picture, even as dire as it is.
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I think that an all too rosy picture, even as dire as it is.
Or, just keep spending and negotiate your debt, as Trump has previously suggested. *****rollingeyes*****
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Or, just keep spending and negotiate your debt, as Trump has previously suggested. *****rollingeyes*****
Yeah right - Too big to fail. *****rollingeyes*****
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Where does Congress get the constitutional right to collect taxes for expenses not enumerated in Article I, Section 8? @Jazzhead
(Serious question, I can't find it) Thanks.
@Right_in_Virginia
This (Sec 5 of Amendment 14) is how I've seen idiotic spending justified by Courts.
Section 5. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.
The Court concocts an Equal Protection Right and then justifies funding it through the 14th.
Crap like this is why taking back the Judiciary is so important.
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I think that an all too rosy picture, even as dire as it is.
Yeah, but, think about what "balancing the budget" would mean.
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Yeah, but, think about what "balancing the budget" would mean.
*NOTHING* without massive decrease in spending, and allowance for payment of debt in real money.
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I think that an all too rosy picture, even as dire as it is.
It is accurate. Included in each year's budget is the payoff of bonds that become due that Year. No bond has a due date beyond 20 years.
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*NOTHING* without massive decrease in spending, and allowance for payment of debt in real money.
Works for me.
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*NOTHING* without massive decrease in spending, and allowance for payment of debt in real money.
Congress needs to quit the baseline budgeting too.
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Congress needs to quit the baseline budgeting too.
Well wake me up whenever there are enough of them willing to abandon that institutionalized policy.
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Well wake me up whenever there are enough of them willing to abandon that institutionalized policy.
Must we really, @INVAR You are so much fun when you are sleeping.
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Damage? For Pete’s sake! Trump has done more for conservatives in just two short years than republican politicians have done for conservatives in the last 25-years!
If taxes on imports, blowout deficits, and taxpayer funded abortions are your idea of conservatism, then I just have to disagree. Whether the judges pan out is something that will not be apparent for a decade or more. Kavanaugh told Collins he would not touch Roe. Maybe you don't care if bad decisions are overturned, so we'll disagree on that as well.
The damage I referenced would come in the form of lost elections. There is evidence that Trump has made the conservative movement less popular with people that may swing the country to the left in coming years. Trump is the same as he ever was. Democrats have gone completely berserk. For the near term, he is useful in keeping them distracted. But don't expect us to stay quiet when he does something harmful.
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Yeah, but, think about what "balancing the budget" would mean.
Other than 'Doing your job as the People's Representative'?
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If taxes on imports, blowout deficits, and taxpayer funded abortions are your idea of conservatism, then I just have to disagree. Whether the judges pan out is something that will not be apparent for a decade or more. Kavanaugh told Collins he would not touch Roe. Maybe you don't care if bad decisions are overturned, so we'll disagree on that as well.
The damage I referenced would come in the form of lost elections. There is evidence that Trump has made the conservative movement less popular with people that may swing the country to the left in coming years. Trump is the same as he ever was. Democrats have gone completely berserk. For the near term, he is useful in keeping them distracted. But don't expect us to stay quiet when he does something harmful.
Shouldn't that be 'if' and not 'when?'
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Other than 'Doing your job as the People's Representative'?
No, I meant the details. If the feds were limited to spending no more than they brought in, the cuts in "services" would have to be massive. With great societial impact.
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No, I meant the details. If the feds were limited to spending no more than they brought in, the cuts in "services" would have to be massive. With great societial impact.
Absolutely! Just think of the societal impact if the incentive to not work was taken away? We would be looking at double-digit growth through the next decade.
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Shouldn't that be 'if' and not 'when?'
sure, why not
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Absolutely! Just think of the societal impact if the incentive to not work was taken away? We would be looking at double-digit growth through the next decade.
Among other things. It would be horrible at first though. All those getting somebody else's money won't give it up easily.
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Hitler reacts to Kavanaugh confirmation
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