I Was Wrong About Trump

[Hoodat]

So does this mean that Musk can now become President?

[Kamaji]

And zero back pay.  If you aren't working because the government shuts down, you don't get paid.  Period.  That goes from the President on down.

I don’t think the civil service union rules work that way.

[Hoodat]

I don’t think the civil service union rules work that way.

I don't give a shit about the civil service union rules.  No work, no pay.  Everything in life is a tradeoff.  Government workers get paid 30% more for doing less than half the work.  That's the upside.  The downside is that from time to time, you are temporarily laid off when Congress refuses to borrow more money for what they promised to spend.

[jafo2010]

Bigun...

Government got BIGGER under Tumpy - Not smaller.

Government got bigger under every POTUS, even Reagan, despite his declaration that he would reduce the size of government.

And based on past comments, Trump is not looking to balance the budget or pay off the national debt.  He plans to greatly increase defense spending based on prior comments.  The bottomline will spell even greater national debt.

No mention, not even a peep about cutting the CIA, NSA, FBI and the other dozen agencies tied to intelligence.  They all have huge budgets.  HUGE!!!!  I say cut them by 40% across the board.  When one considers all the negative events that have hppened over the past 25 years, I am not impressed by their results.

[Bigun]

?? This birth certificate shows that his mother was an American citizen ??? I'm not seeing the proof of being fraudulent.

Show me another birth certificate from Hawaii in that time frame with the words "African American" on it. Just one example will do.

[Bigun]

Government got bigger under every POTUS, even Reagan, despite his declaration that he would reduce the size of government.

And based on past comments, Trump is not looking to balance the budget or pay off the national debt.  He plans to greatly increase defense spending based on prior comments.  The bottomline will spell even greater national debt.

No mention, not even a peep about cutting the CIA, NSA, FBI and the other dozen agencies tied to intelligence.  They all have huge budgets.  HUGE!!!!  I say cut them by 40% across the board.  When one considers all the negative events that have hppened over the past 25 years, I am not impressed by their results.

https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,554123.msg3142494.html#msg3142494

For your reference @jafo2010

[libertybele]

Show me another birth certificate from Hawaii in that time frame with the words "African American" on it. Just one example will do.

Ok, thank you; that I was not aware of.

[jafo2010]

Not sure why Obama's birth certificate is on this thread, but shortly after he became POTUS, I watched a very credible video explaining all the changes to the Obama birth certificate.  My bottomline, his certificate was a complete fabrication from top to bottom. 

Obama is a $3 bill, in every context.

[Bigun]

Ok, thank you; that I was not aware of.

All that have been examined say "Black" or "Negro".

[Cyber Liberty]

I would vote for DeSantis all day long. He has the receipts in Florida. He's already done it for realz. in LAW.

I can't wait until DeSantis starts smearing Byron Daniels.

[libertybele]

I can't wait until DeSantis starts smearing Byron Daniels.

?? Sarcasm maybe??  It has been rumored that Casey will run, but there's no way she can compete with Byron's experience and he's one powerful conservative speaker.  Added to that he'll likely be backed by Trump.

Yes, RDS brought up Obama's birth certificate, but if he goes after Byron, he's going to be sliding down a slippery slope, because race will then come into play as he is pretty darn popular.  His wife will be toast. Just my opinion.

[libertybele]

All that have been examined say "Black" or "Negro".

Gottcha.

[Hoodat]

Show me another birth certificate from Hawaii in that time frame with the words "African American" on it. Just one example will do.

@Bigun  I'm not seeing it on the one posted in the DeSantis tweet.  Is there another one I should be looking at?  Thanks.

[Cyber Liberty]

?? Sarcasm maybe??  It has been rumored that Casey will run, but there's no way she can compete with Byron's experience and he's one powerful conservative speaker.  Added to that he'll likely be backed by Trump.

Smearing the opposition is the DeSantis way (especially when Trump is involved), and the lid will come off when he decides he has to when it's his wife running.  Just watch.

[Timber Rattler]

https://twitter.com/RonDeSNews/status/1892959206132666771

Uh your Twitter source is NOT De Santis but a supposed fan page...

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[libertybele]

Smearing the opposition is the DeSantis way (especially when Trump is involved), and the lid will come off when he decides he has to when it's his wife running.  Just watch.

Ok ... I'm missing something here?  Trump drew first blood and smeared DeSantis, not the other way around.

[Hoodat]

I did find this down thread, but I don't see anything wrong with the Hawaii one (other than it doesn't match the 'official' one released by the State of Hawaii while Obama was in office.

[Cyber Liberty]

@Bigun  I'm not seeing it on the one posted in the DeSantis tweet.  Is there another one I should be looking at?  Thanks.

That tweet conveniently conceals the name of a nonexistent Hospital as well.

[Cyber Liberty]

Ok ... I'm missing something here?  Trump drew first blood and smeared DeSantis, not the other way around.

Just watch.

[Hoodat]

That tweet conveniently conceals the name of a nonexistent Hospital as well.

The hospital name is another outstanding issue.  Back in 2008, Snopes in one of their fact checks had posted the name of the hospital where Obama was born.  A few months later in another fact check, they listed a different hospital.  At no point did they ever acknowledge the discrepancy in their own fact checks.  Either one was wrong or the other (or both).  But as the self-anointed authority on fact checking, they never came clean or even admitted their error.

[libertybele]

The hospital name is another outstanding issue.  Back in 2008, Snopes in one of their fact checks had posted the name of the hospital where Obama was born.  A few months later in another fact check, they listed a different hospital.  At no point did they ever acknowledge the discrepancy in their own fact checks.  Either one was wrong or the other (or both).  But as the self-anointed authority on fact checking, they never came clean or even admitted their error.

Snopes has been proven to be an unreliable source of 'fact checking'.

[libertybele]

Just watch.

As a huge fan of DeSantis, with me he would lose all respect and credibility.  Not because I'm a fan of Donalds, but because DeSantis would indeed by a phony after all this time I thought he had integrity.

We'll see.   Unfortunately, if he does do so, it would really upset the conservative apple cart that we have in the Fl legislative body.

[Bigun]

@Bigun  I'm not seeing it on the one posted in the DeSantis tweet.  Is there another one I should be looking at?  Thanks.

Please refer to the thread at the link I posted above.

[DB]

Smearing the opposition is the DeSantis way (especially when Trump is involved), and the lid will come off when he decides he has to when it's his wife running.  Just watch.

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[Cyber Liberty]

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Just watch.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

@IsailedawayfromFR

No, I haven't changed my mind at all.  Perhaps you missed my earlier comments of renting out a stadium, stacking up $2 trillion in cash in the middle of the field, and setting it on fire.

My comment about money remaining in the Treasury at the end of the year is the only means we have of paying off debt.  If the Treasury is empty, then that means we will have spent all $6.8 trillion that was allocated by Congress.  But if there's money left over, then that's money we can use to retire debt.

Keep in mind though that this fiscal year alone includes $2 trillion of new debt.  But this debt is special in that it came from the Fed from dollars that did not exist.  So to make things right (for this year alone), $2 trillion needs to be taken out of circulation.  Which is why we there needs to be $2 trillion left in the Treasury at the end of the year - so that we can retire that debt.

By burning that money, the price of everything will fall since there will be less dollars chasing the same amount of goods.  And that increases the standard of living of everyone.

What I do NOT want to see is Elon's savings being spent on other things.  This saved money should still be sitting in the Treasury, unspent, when the fiscal year ends.

Ok, I see now where you are coming from.  And agree with too much money in circulation, as Economics 302 (my very first college course) taught me that more money in circulation equates to more inflation.

Starving the beast is always the best strategy, as we have a spending problem much more than an income problem, and Elon is proving it is spent on things that add no value whatsoever and, in many cases, destroy value.

[DB]

Just watch.

I seem to be out of the loop. I've been buried in work. Watch what?

[Cyber Liberty]

I seem to be out of the loop. I've been buried in work. Watch what?

Watch what DeSantis does about the FL Governor race in 26.

[DB]

Watch what DeSantis does about the FL Governor race in 26.

Got it.

[jafo2010]

Bigun...

Quote from: jafo2010 on February 22, 2025, 11:53:12 pm
Government got bigger under every POTUS, even Reagan, despite his declaration that he would reduce the size of government.

And based on past comments, Trump is not looking to balance the budget or pay off the national debt.  He plans to greatly increase defense spending based on prior comments.  The bottomline will spell even greater national debt.

No mention, not even a peep about cutting the CIA, NSA, FBI and the other dozen agencies tied to intelligence.  They all have huge budgets.  HUGE!!!!  I say cut them by 40% across the board.  When one considers all the negative events that have hppened over the past 25 years, I am not impressed by their results.

https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,554123.msg3142494.html#msg3142494

For your reference @jafo2010

Big whoop!  A puff piece if there ever were.  It is specific about mentioning DEI and anything affiliated with it.  That is a tiny, tiny nothing of a number.  And half those folks are CONNECTED I'll bet and have been given new titles and moved away from DEI.

The intelligence agencies will fight like none of the others and give up next to nothing.  That is reality.  They have been left out independent from being properly controlled for most of their existence. 

[Bigun]

Big whoop!  A puff piece if there ever were.  It is specific about mentioning DEI and anything affiliated with it.  That is a tiny, tiny nothing of a number.  And half those folks are CONNECTED I'll bet and have been given new titles and moved away from DEI.

The intelligence agencies will fight like none of the others and give up next to nothing.  That is reality.  They have been left out independent from being properly controlled for most of their existence.

You are preaching to the choir again my friend. I seriously doubt that there is any one person alive who knows the true extent of what and who the CIA is in control of but something is still better than nothing. @jafo2010

[jafo2010]

DEI pink slips is a big fat nothing. 

[catfish1957]

You are preaching to the choir again my friend. I seriously doubt that there is any one person alive who knows the true extent of what and who the CIA is in control of but something is still better than nothing. @jafo2010

Butcher the Fedzilla Hog, and give it back to the taxpayers one pork chop pack and slab of bacon at a time.

Cut it ...  Cut it deep.  Go DOGE!!!!

[MeganC]

State governments are now quietly moving their DEI staff to new titles like 'Culture Officer' in order to preserve their Federal funding. This will be yet another battle for Trump and Musk to end federal funding fraud at the state and local level.

[catfish1957]

State governments are now quietly moving their DEI staff to new titles like 'Culture Officer' in order to preserve their Federal funding. This will be yet another battle for Trump and Musk to end federal funding fraud at the state and local level.

Invoking that at the state level might be a tougher nut to crack.  Kind of the 10th Amendment kinda thing.   

[MeganC]

Invoking that at the state level might be a tougher nut to crack.  Kind of the 10th Amendment kinda thing.

You can't use Federal funds for DEI. That's not a 10th Amt. issue.

[catfish1957]

You can't use Federal funds for DEI. That's not a 10th Amt. issue.

Got to realize that all these will have to be evaluated (likely in court) on a case by case basis.  i can see where the "smart" offenders can word these in a manner that will be perceived  innocuous enough to not pass the  muster of a Trump EO infraction.

This isn't and won't be a one size fits all issue.

[MeganC]

Got to realize that all these will have to be evaluated (likely in court) on a case by case basis.  i can see where the "smart" offenders can word these in a manner that will be perceived  innocuous enough to not pass the  muster of a Trump EO infraction.

This isn't and won't be a one size fits all issue.

Congress simply has to cut off the funding. The courts can pound sand if they don't like that.

[catfish1957]

Congress simply has to cut off the funding. The courts can pound sand if they don't like that.

I realize that, but what's the odds the feckless GOP will want to die on that hill?  It'll never get to committee.

[MeganC]

I realize that, but what's the odds the feckless GOP will want to die on that hill?  It'll never get to committee.

Then it falls to Trump to veto any bill that directly or indirectly funds DEI. And then he needs to punish the GOPees in Congress who support the Democrat hate machine.

[libertybele]

Then it falls to Trump to veto any bill that directly or indirectly funds DEI. And then he needs to punish the GOPees in Congress who support the Democrat hate machine.

How is he going to punish them?? Besides, he needs their votes and their proposed legislation to get any laws to stick.  He has a razor thin majority in the House to begin with and 3 GOP defectors in the Senate.

[catfish1957]

Then it falls to Trump to veto any bill that directly or indirectly funds DEI. And then he needs to punish the GOPees in Congress who support the Democrat hate machine.

Don't you realize state level dynamics?  We have GOP representatives in states like NY, CA, IL, etc.  Going to be a tough sell to those constituents in swing districts  that they took a sword for their state in the name of DEI alone.  There's principals, and then there's political survival, especially as close as the GOP margin is in the House.  Again..  a safer, but less likely successful approach is through the courts.

[roamer_1]

Got to realize that all these will have to be evaluated (likely in court) on a case by case basis.  i can see where the "smart" offenders can word these in a manner that will be perceived  innocuous enough to not pass the  muster of a Trump EO infraction.

This isn't and won't be a one size fits all issue.

ALL of the wrongful termination suits will take longer to settle than he will be around. Then two or three times damages and right back to work in the next dem administration. Without Congress, it's just a clusterfluck.

[libertybele]

ALL of the wrongful termination suits will take longer to settle than he will be around. Then two or three times damages and right back to work in the next dem administration. Without Congress, it's just a clusterfluck.

On this you and I absolutely agree; without Congress it's just a cluster!! 

However, keep in mind that he's only been in office a little over a month ... there is still much time for the dust to settle and some real progress to be made.

[jafo2010]

roamer-1...

Without Congress, it's just a clusterfluck.

Well guess what, Trump doesn't think he needs Congress.  I am not certain he really understand how our federal government operates.

He does not have Congress, and I doubt he will with this CHAOS he and his Boy Robin are wrecking upon America. 

Remember the axiom, it only takes one aw-sh*t to wipe out 1,000 that-a-boys.  Trump's one aw-sh*t is his approach to the federal workforce.  It is at a minimum harassment.  It is morally wrong, extremely obtuse, and will result in the Democommies wining both houses of Congress in 2026.  And one month after they are seated, they will impeach and REMOVE Trump , find a reason to get rid of Vance too, and install their newly selected Speaker as the 48th POTUS.

Once again, Trump 2.0 will result in EVERYTHING he is doing being reversed.   EVERYTHING!!!!!!

There are approaches that can be used that don't end up in the courts, and with little to no drama.  Trump has demoralized the entire federal workforce.  This is NOT productive.  It is idiocy. 

And yes, it is beyond being a clusterf***!!!  This is on steroids, with Musk pumped up on coke or whatever has him looking like he is on something.    Welcome to the roller coaster.

[Cyber Liberty]

I guess we should have elected Haley or Harris.

[jafo2010]

No, hell no.

But Congress should put their big boy pants on and tell Trump this nonsense ends now.  Define for Trump what Musk can do.  Limit his investigations to fraud and abuse, which he is doing a stellar job.

But what he is doing with the workforce will end Trump.  And I do not want to see that happen.  And it is stupid.

2.4 million fed employees           versus        7 million contractors at twice the cost and no civil service protections

          I SAY GO FOR THE LOW HANGING FRUIT!

The Trump/Musk approach is to attack the employees because of a perception they are not working.  Well, there is some truth to that, but if the MISSION is saving taxpayer dollars, get rid of the contractors, no lawsuits, no drama, and force the fed employees to do their damn jobs.  Those that don't want to work will leave, many of them.  But you put the fed workforce to work.  And you put policies in place to get management to do their damn job. 

YOU DON'T HARASS THE WORKFORCE DAILY WITH TERMINATION.  THIS IS HARASSMENT, UNPROFESSIONAL AND F***ING STUPID AND JUVENILE!!!!!!!!

[catfish1957]

I guess we should have elected Haley or Harris.

As always...  great timing.   

Didn't think breaking a few extra eggs to make an omelet, would create such vapors.  I still give Trump and Musk an A+.  Fedzilla needed breaking, and in the worst way.

[catfish1957]

No, hell no.

But Congress should put their big pants on and tell Trump this nonsense ends now.  Define for Trump what Musk can do.  Limit his investigations to fraud and abuse, which he is doing a stellar job.

But what he is doing with the workforce will end Trump.  And I do not want to see that happen.  And it is stupid.

2.4 million fed employees           versus        7 million contractors at twice the cost and no civil service protections

          I SAY GO FOR THE LOW HANGING FRUIT!

The Trump/Musk approach is to attack the employees because of a perception they are not working.  Well, there is some truth to that, but if the MISSION is saving taxpayer dollars, get rid of the contractors, no lawsuits, no drama, and force the fed employees to do their damn jobs.  Those that don't want to work will leave, many of them.  But you put the fed workforce to work.  And you put policies in place to get management to do their damn job. 

YOU DON'T HARASS THE WORKFORCE DAILY WITH TERMINATION.  THIS IS HARASSMENT, UNPROFESSIONAL AND F***ING STUPID AND JUVENILE!!!!!!!!

Who exactly did Musk terminate?  As far as future Agency and departmental cuts...   Fedzilla?  Gut it...  gut it hard

[jafo2010]

Musk has folks working for him bailing out after just 4 weeks.  What does that spell?

No sane person wants to be around a sinking ship, or one captained by a lunatic.  Musk is out of his element.  He is a genius engineer and businessman, but he is like a fish out of water on all this.  Use him properly or watch him ruin everything you all want.