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« Reply #150 on: February 22, 2025, 01:28:13 pm »
If it's only Monopoly money, then it shouldn't matter if someone stole it.  Either the money matters, or it does not.

I know the Conservative answer to this.  But that's not the answer we're getting from the Democrat-lite zealots.
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« Reply #151 on: February 22, 2025, 01:28:58 pm »
IMO, the $37 TRILLION debt will NEVER be repaid. NEVER...NEVER...NEVER!!!  It's an abstract!

Then again, why do you care?
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« Reply #152 on: February 22, 2025, 01:31:10 pm »
Russian state media says that Trump is Putin's poodle.

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« Reply #153 on: February 22, 2025, 01:34:15 pm »
Hold your horses there, son. Exposed, perhaps. But nobody's been convicted. No fines paid. Probably, nobody's even been fired yet!

But here you go, shakin your ass around like something actually happened. Touchdown Dance! WOO!

*NOTHING* has happened. It's just said to have happened. But you believe the press, doncha?

@roamer_1  Trump has been in office only one month and a few days.  Yet, you are going to already judge him?  Most incoming presidents are just getting situated and getting there cabinet together.  He has dismantled several frivolous departments and found lots of wasteful spending (still on-going investigations) savings a couple of trillion dollars. Yes the left is trying to stop him in court.  I look for the SCOTUS needing to rule and also they're going to have to rule on birthright citizenship -- how they rule is in their hands -- not Trump's.  Keep that in mind.

The DEMS have delayed hearings and confirmations for a reason; with Patel head of the FBI being the most recent. They see and know what's on the horizon.  With Bondi the new AG confirmed and now Patel head of the FBI just confirmed, the Trump administration can now get to work on prosecuting people, not only for the $$$ that has been unaccounted for, but for other corruption(s) as well.

I'm going to wait till the 6 month mark to see what this picture looks then, along with the country's economic situation and border wall progress before I start to pass judgement.

IMHO it's way to early to assess what's going on as Trump's is working diligently and expeditiously to right our ship.

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« Reply #154 on: February 22, 2025, 01:35:08 pm »


The "Daily Star" .... now that's a credible publication ... tabloid news.  :whistle:

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« Reply #155 on: February 22, 2025, 01:37:07 pm »
Russian state media says that Trump is Putin's poodle.

https://youtu.be/QWbtUcVPw8g?si=oXvgEmK9Ib3SX80o

Who cares what the 'Russian' media prints??  Do you honestly think that they're not going to print nice things about Putin?  Really?

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« Reply #156 on: February 22, 2025, 01:50:51 pm »
Who cares what the 'Russian' media prints??  Do you honestly think that they're not going to print nice things about Putin?  Really?

Yet you're upset about what you believe Zelenskiy said (without actual proof that he said it).  While at the same time giving Putin a pass for mocking Trump for his felony indictments and posting risque pictures of Melania after the election.

Keep in mind, your side started this by dissing Zelenskiy according to what was being reported in the media.
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« Reply #157 on: February 22, 2025, 02:10:50 pm »
Yet you're upset about what you believe Zelenskiy said (without actual proof that he said it).  While at the same time giving Putin a pass for mocking Trump for his felony indictments and posting risque pictures of Melania after the election.

Keep in mind, your side started this by dissing Zelenskiy according to what was being reported in the media.

My side???  Let me make something perfectly clear; I am not siding with either Zelenskyy or Putin --- both in my OPINION are corrupt and not trustworthy.  I have no side.  The number of casualties and destruction in this war sickens me. 

The amount of $$$ that was made off of this war is equally disgusting.


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« Reply #158 on: February 22, 2025, 02:13:45 pm »
My side???  Let me make something perfectly clear; I am not siding with either Zelenskyy or Putin --- both in my OPINION are corrupt and not trustworthy.  I have no side.  The number of casualties and destruction in this war sickens me. 

The amount of $$$ that was made off of this war is equally disgusting.

 :bingo: We have a winner here ladies and gentlemen!
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« Reply #159 on: February 22, 2025, 02:16:55 pm »
Certainly looks that way. Exposing fraud don't mean sh*t. You choose to believe, so you DO believe.

I don't believe the report on purpose... Because nothing is to be believed until the receipts are in hand. PERIOD. That ain't against Tumpy btw. That's against ALL the sonsabiches.

Like I said - The bottom line. If this crap actually makes it to the bottom line, THEN credit is due. Broad strokes such as these surely will reduce the cost of government, RIGHT?
Then they should be rendered TRUE when the bill comes due.

THEN I will believe. Not until. This is how they drag all y'all around by the nose. Drama, Drama, Drama. Panic. Fear. and by next week, you'll forget this and be on to the next dramatic flair... with the impression that something actually happened... But nothing so far. Just a promise and piss in your pocket. But BIG Sh*tNStuff!!! BIGLY!!!  :laugh:

Show me the money.

Baloney....  I am about as radical of an ultra right winger as it gets.  So just who do you freakin' want to right the ship?   Let's see...who are the most conservative politicians that we have?  Cruz? RDS?  maybe others?   Give me a name, who has even remotely promised or even discussed the level of dismantling of Fedzilla that Donald Trump already has.   I'll patiently wait for your reply.
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Re: I Was Wrong About Trump
« Reply #160 on: February 22, 2025, 02:20:13 pm »
:bingo: We have a winner here ladies and gentlemen!

same sentiment.  They are both sleazy and crooked.

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« Reply #161 on: February 22, 2025, 02:30:47 pm »
Yep.  I want to see unspent money sitting in the Treasury at the end of the fiscal year.  And I want to see a spending freeze implemented the last week in August to block that annual flurry of spending those final weeks.
sitting in the Treasury?

Why not pay off debt with that money rather than adding to Fort Knox's stash?

Consistency is important in speaking, and at one time that is what you wanted to do with that money.

Have you now changed your mind?
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Re: I Was Wrong About Trump
« Reply #162 on: February 22, 2025, 02:37:07 pm »
sitting in the Treasury?

Why not pay off debt with that money rather than adding to Fort Knox's stash?

Consistency is important in speaking, and at one time that is what you wanted to do with that money.

Have you now changed your mind?

I believe he's saying he wants to see actual documented savings before anything goes anywhere. Too many decades of smoke and mirrors.

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« Reply #163 on: February 22, 2025, 02:40:16 pm »
Baloney....  I am about as radical of an ultra right winger as it gets.  So just who do you freakin' want to right the ship?   Let's see...who are the most conservative politicians that we have?  Cruz? RDS?  maybe others?   Give me a name, who has even remotely promised or even discussed the level of dismantling of Fedzilla that Donald Trump already has.   I'll patiently wait for your reply.
You won't get one, as anyone named will never get into that job.

There are those who espouse idealism but, like Rush used to say, real conservatives live in the real world
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« Reply #164 on: February 22, 2025, 02:41:58 pm »
I believe he's saying he wants to see actual documented savings before anything goes anywhere. Too many decades of smoke and mirrors.
Maybe, but he made a bid damn deal about every penny of cost savings needed to go toward reducing debt, not sitting around anywhere.
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« Reply #165 on: February 22, 2025, 03:47:40 pm »
Baloney....  I am about as radical of an ultra right winger as it gets.  So just who do you freakin' want to right the ship?   Let's see...who are the most conservative politicians that we have?  Cruz? RDS?  maybe others?   Give me a name, who has even remotely promised or even discussed the level of dismantling of Fedzilla that Donald Trump already has.   I'll patiently wait for your reply.

I would vote for DeSantis all day long. He has the receipts in Florida. He's already done it for realz. in LAW.

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« Reply #166 on: February 22, 2025, 04:21:02 pm »
I would vote for DeSantis all day long. He has the receipts in Florida. He's already done it for realz. in LAW.

It is unfortunate that DeSantis wasn't nominated or seated.  Again, Trump has only been in office a few days over a month -- patience, hope and prayer.

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« Reply #167 on: February 22, 2025, 04:26:02 pm »
It is unfortunate that DeSantis wasn't nominated or seated.  Again, Trump has only been in office a few days over a month -- patience, hope and prayer.

@roamer_1

I was a huge RDS supporter, but I seriously doubt if he was elected, he'd be taking the wrecking ball to Fedzilla with the speed and zeal that Trump/Musk/DOGE is.

As much as i like him, he is a dye in the wool color within lines kind of guy.  Where we need more of a bull in a china shop right now
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« Reply #168 on: February 22, 2025, 04:34:09 pm »
@roamer_1

I was a huge RDS supporter, but I seriously doubt if he was elected, he'd be taking the wrecking ball to Fedzilla with the speed and zeal that Trump/Musk/DOGE is.

As much as i like him, he is a dye in the wool color within lines kind of guy.  Where we need more of a bull in a china shop right now

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Re: I Was Wrong About Trump
« Reply #169 on: February 22, 2025, 04:39:51 pm »
sitting in the Treasury?

Why not pay off debt with that money rather than adding to Fort Knox's stash?

Consistency is important in speaking, and at one time that is what you wanted to do with that money.

Have you now changed your mind?

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No, I haven't changed my mind at all.  Perhaps you missed my earlier comments of renting out a stadium, stacking up $2 trillion in cash in the middle of the field, and setting it on fire.

My comment about money remaining in the Treasury at the end of the year is the only means we have of paying off debt.  If the Treasury is empty, then that means we will have spent all $6.8 trillion that was allocated by Congress.  But if there's money left over, then that's money we can use to retire debt.

Keep in mind though that this fiscal year alone includes $2 trillion of new debt.  But this debt is special in that it came from the Fed from dollars that did not exist.  So to make things right (for this year alone), $2 trillion needs to be taken out of circulation.  Which is why we there needs to be $2 trillion left in the Treasury at the end of the year - so that we can retire that debt.

By burning that money, the price of everything will fall since there will be less dollars chasing the same amount of goods.  And that increases the standard of living of everyone.

What I do NOT want to see is Elon's savings being spent on other things.  This saved money should still be sitting in the Treasury, unspent, when the fiscal year ends.
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« Reply #170 on: February 22, 2025, 04:48:53 pm »
Who cares what the 'Russian' media prints??  Do you honestly think that they're not going to print nice things about Putin?  Really?

Russian state media is Putin's mouthpiece. They only say what he permits them to say.
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« Reply #171 on: February 22, 2025, 05:03:52 pm »
@roamer_1

I was a huge RDS supporter, but I seriously doubt if he was elected, he'd be taking the wrecking ball to Fedzilla with the speed and zeal that Trump/Musk/DOGE is.

As much as i like him, he is a dye in the wool color within lines kind of guy.  Where we need more of a bull in a china shop right now

Except that ain't what's happening. It's all bullshit.

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« Reply #172 on: February 22, 2025, 05:09:24 pm »
By burning that money, the price of everything will fall since there will be less dollars chasing the same amount of goods.  And that increases the standard of living of everyone.

What I do NOT want to see is Elon's savings being spent on other things.  This saved money should still be sitting in the Treasury, unspent, when the fiscal year ends.

You get it. Three beers for you.  :beer: :beer: :beer:

But i don't think these savings will retire into the general fund. I think it just goes to the root of the department funds, and each department gets a stab at spending it somehow.

I know damn well it ain't cut and dried. Heck, most of it will go through court adjudication before anything else. That's why all this whoopin and hollerin is so unseemly.
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« Reply #173 on: February 22, 2025, 05:09:54 pm »
@roamer_1

I was a huge RDS supporter, but I seriously doubt if he was elected, he'd be taking the wrecking ball to Fedzilla with the speed and zeal that Trump/Musk/DOGE is.

As much as i like him, he is a dye in the wool color within lines kind of guy.  Where we need more of a bull in a china shop right now

Agreed and as stated before; it's way too early to start making blanket assessments on a President that's only been in office for a little over a month. 

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« Reply #174 on: February 22, 2025, 05:10:57 pm »
Agreed and as stated before; it's way too early to start making blanket assessments on a President that's only been in office for a little over a month.

No it ain't... He's got 4 years of record to rely upon.

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« Reply #175 on: February 22, 2025, 05:12:10 pm »
I would vote for DeSantis all day long. He has the receipts in Florida. He's already done it for realz. in LAW.

RDS is able to generate receipts in LAW because he's been blessed with a super majority in both Houses of the Florida statehouse.  If you want to write receipts in law, you'll need to do more than vote "all day long" like a trained monkey.  You'll need to slide off your soapbox, put away your fiddle and get to actual WORK on strengthening a Congressional Republican majority. ----

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« Reply #176 on: February 22, 2025, 05:17:34 pm »
No it ain't... He's got 4 years of record to rely upon.

 :yowsa: Which is why I would have crawled over a mile of broken glass to vote for him in 2020 and 2024.
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« Reply #177 on: February 22, 2025, 05:21:48 pm »
The number of casualties and destruction in this war sickens me. 

Count on a continuance of that now that Russia has the green light to continue its slaughter.
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« Reply #178 on: February 22, 2025, 05:25:32 pm »
RDS is able to generate receipts in LAW because he's been blessed with a super majority in both Houses of the Florida statehouse.  If you want to write receipts in law, you'll need to do more than vote "all day long" like a trained monkey.  You'll need to slide off your soapbox, put away your fiddle and get to actual WORK on strengthening a Congressional Republican majority. ----

crybaby bullshit...

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« Reply #179 on: February 22, 2025, 05:26:09 pm »
:yowsa: Which is why I would have crawled over a mile of broken glass to vote for him in 2020 and 2024.

And why I wouldn't vote for him at all.

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« Reply #180 on: February 22, 2025, 05:29:59 pm »
Quote
DCPatriot...

THEN...you put the onus on the House and Senate to pass legislation to make said "fix" permanent

That would be nice.  But then there is reality.

Let's see how long it takes the do nothing Congress to pass his one great big bill.  Unfortunately, the Republicans are never unified, and they are not right now.  Accomplishments in Congress will be few over the next two years.


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« Reply #182 on: February 22, 2025, 05:32:24 pm »
And why I wouldn't vote for him at all.

I do not believe that for a second but we've been down that row before, so I'll just leave it alone.
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« Reply #183 on: February 22, 2025, 05:34:23 pm »
I do not believe that for a second but we've been down that row before, so I'll just leave it alone.

You'd better believe it. His record is a disaster. And no, I did not vote for him ever.

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« Reply #184 on: February 22, 2025, 05:35:21 pm »
You'd better believe it. His record is a disaster. And no, I did not vote for him ever.

And we both know why.
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« Reply #185 on: February 22, 2025, 05:36:52 pm »
And we both know why.

Yeah. I vote for Conservatives, that's why.

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« Reply #186 on: February 22, 2025, 05:38:24 pm »
Yeah. I vote for Conservatives, that's why.

Your ox got gored and you blame Trump for it. I get it.
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« Reply #187 on: February 22, 2025, 05:40:40 pm »
https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,554115.msg3142605/topicseen.html#msg3142605

Noot has lived for the last quarter century off government money funneled into inside-the-Beltway NGOs.  He is part of the problem.
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« Reply #188 on: February 22, 2025, 05:42:32 pm »
Your ox got gored and you blame Trump for it. I get it.

Everyone's ox has been gored, to the tune of $38 trillion.  We'll see where we stand on Sept 30.  Hopefully, they will be handing a big chunk of cash back over to the Fed. 
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« Reply #189 on: February 22, 2025, 05:48:50 pm »
I would vote for DeSantis all day long. He has the receipts in Florida. He's already done it for realz. in LAW.

RDS is able to generate receipts in LAW because he's been blessed with a super majority in both Houses of the Florida statehouse.  If you want to write receipts in law, you'll need to do more than vote "all day long" like a trained monkey.  You'll need to slide off your soapbox, put away your fiddle and get to actual WORK on strengthening a Congressional Republican majority. ----

crybaby bullshit...

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Thanks for posting  pointing-up the missing piece to the puzzle, "Who is Roamer"  --- Now I know for sure, it's ignorance.

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« Reply #190 on: February 22, 2025, 05:52:25 pm »
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Show me the money.

Yeah, that's my mindset.  After spending a lifetime doing what they are attempting, reducing operating cost, the Trump/Musk approach is NOT pursuing the most reduction in cost.  Not even close.

Somehow, these two want to decimate the federal employee pool, and replace with contractors.  That is not reducing cost, that is jacking it up, BOTTOMLINE.  Contractors cost roughly twice what an employee cost.

Let me remind all of you, there are 2.4 million federal employees (excluding postal and military)

                                      there are 7 million contractors(excluding postal and military)

Frankly, they are doing it backwards.  The single greatest cost savings would be to eliminate the contractors, and there are no civil service protections for any of them.  NO DRAMA, NO COURTS!  I say remove most of the contractors, put the employees to work getting the work done, begin a process of defining work that is essential for now, for the future, work that is nice to have, and make work.  By putting the federal employees to the task of doing the work without the contractors, the dead heads will leave, at least many of them will.  And many folks with 20+ years will retire.  No package needed.

You want savings, you want a productive workforce, the above approach will work lightyears better than what Trump/Musk are doing.

They claim Musk is saving $1 billion per day.  The above approach is saving $500 billion to $1 trillion if the whole of the workforce is included.  That is a one hour discussion, no drama, no lawsuits. 

The latest request from Musk is that every federal employee send a report with 5 bullet points addressing what he/she accomplished last week to him/DOGE, copying the supervisor.  This is not the way one runs an organization.  You want an entity like the federal government to implement project management approaches, develop it within the framework of each organization so that the management team actually manages.

The issues that exist with the federal workforce are not a problem with the workforce, it is a problem with management.  I am not sure Trump/Musk have any idea of the difference.

This is why if Trump wanted to make lasting change, he would work to accomplish two things.  Two amendments to the Constitution:

1.  Mandatory balanced budget, only exception during periods of declared war by Congress

2.  Term limits for all member of Congress

These two things alone would accomplish lasting change in Washington.  Force the self serving thieves in Congress to embrace both these objectives, and Washington begins to make permanent change.  The EO route is erased with the next Democommie dummy. 

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« Reply #191 on: February 22, 2025, 06:04:07 pm »
One other thought, Trump wants to ignite Congress to do their damn job, sign an EO preventing Congress from raiding the Social Security Fund to spend on WHATEVER.

And I think he should make it clear to them, no budget, the government shuts down.  If it shuts down for six months, so be it.  But it shuts down and stays shut down until a budget is derived.

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« Reply #192 on: February 22, 2025, 06:05:53 pm »
Your ox got gored and you blame Trump for it. I get it.

Oh bullcrap! It has little to do with my ox getting gored. Had I lost my business due to his GOOD practices, that'd be one thing... BUT THOUSANDS upon thousands lost their businesses during the covid debacle. That's just shitty governance, and I am right not to vote for that.

But even that aside, his utterly absurd monetary policy would be enough to assure my vote will never come his way. The printing presses ran white hot under Tumpy (and I dare say they will again).

Government got BIGGER under Tumpy - Not smaller.

Shall I go on? Because I can tick my fingers off for quite a long time. Had my ox not been gored there was still no way I'd ever vote for that... Not to mention more of that.

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« Reply #193 on: February 22, 2025, 06:09:00 pm »
And I think he should make it clear to them, no budget, the government shuts down.  If it shuts down for six months, so be it.  But it shuts down and stays shut down until a budget is derived.

And zero back pay.  If you aren't working because the government shuts down, you don't get paid.  Period.  That goes from the President on down.
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« Reply #194 on: February 22, 2025, 06:12:08 pm »
Yeah, that's my mindset.  After spending a lifetime doing what they are attempting, reducing operating cost, the Trump/Musk approach is NOT pursuing the most reduction in cost.  Not even close.


It has nothing to do with budget and everything to do with prime time clicks.

I'll back off one little bit: Tumpy may have found something in Musk. That's the changeroo this time around. We will see how that plays out.

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« Reply #195 on: February 22, 2025, 06:17:11 pm »
Oh bullcrap! It has little to do with my ox getting gored. Had I lost my business due to his GOOD practices, that'd be one thing... BUT THOUSANDS upon thousands lost their businesses during the covid debacle. That's just shitty governance, and I am right not to vote for that.

But even that aside, his utterly absurd monetary policy would be enough to assure my vote will never come his way. The printing presses ran white hot under Tumpy (and I dare say they will again).

Government got BIGGER under Tumpy - Not smaller.

Shall I go on? Because I can tick my fingers off for quite a long time. Had my ox not been gored there was still no way I'd ever vote for that... Not to mention more of that.

If you say so. I'm done with this BS!
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« Reply #196 on: February 22, 2025, 06:21:54 pm »
I'll back off one little bit: Tumpy may have found something in Musk. That's the changeroo this time around. We will see how that plays out.

Musk is the changemaker here, not Trump.  But Trump could turn on him at the drop of a hat.

I keep picturing Frodo standing at the chasm in Mount Doom poised to cast the ring into the fire, only to change his mind at the end.  The power of the ring is on parallel with the power of $2 trillion dollars sitting in the Treasury as the fiscal year closes.  What human could hold themselves to destroying that money?  I believe Musk could do it.  I do not believe the same for Trump.  I fear the Trump Administration will find new creative ways to spend the 'savings' [sic].

We'll see.
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« Reply #198 on: February 22, 2025, 06:30:25 pm »
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As much as i like him, he is a dye in the wool color within lines kind of guy.  Where we need more of a bull in a china shop right now


Well, DeSantis did not get it.  But he is the real deal, he produces results.  If history is any forecast, we know that almost everything Trump did in his first term was undone by Biden taking office.  There is nothing stopping a repeat of the same come the next Democommie. 

And yes, Trump is there but one month, but those of us here that see problems are speaking from our experience, and I do not buy the bull in the china shop nonsense.  There is never just one way to solve a problem.  I say take the route that produces the most dollars, is permanent, and with the least drama and courts.

Unfortunately, Trump loves to antagonize everyone on the path of life.  He is kissing Putin's posterior while denigrating a man that has led a country defending against the worst aggressor since Hitler.  Now, maybe this is just Trump's way to soften both of them up for the attempt to bring peace between these two leaders/nations.  He does have his own way of operating.  Time will tell.

To me, eliminating the 7 million contractors FIRST, who have zero civil service protections, cost twice as much as employees, that is what I CALL LOW HANGING FRUIT!  If Trump were listening to someone that had hundreds of experiences with reducing operations versus a guy that bought one company, and cut it 80%, his own company, things would be going a lot smoother.  Every court case Trump must contend  with slows everything down.  What is the number now, 100 lawsuits?

This is just not productive results.  And any of you that actually believe there will be money left in the Treasury, I got swamp land in Florida I can sell you..

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« Reply #199 on: February 22, 2025, 06:35:58 pm »

https://twitter.com/RonDeSNews/status/1892959206132666771

?? This birth certificate shows that his mother was an American citizen ??? I'm not seeing the proof of being fraudulent.