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Re: I Was Wrong About Trump
« Reply #175 on: February 22, 2025, 05:12:10 pm »
I would vote for DeSantis all day long. He has the receipts in Florida. He's already done it for realz. in LAW.

RDS is able to generate receipts in LAW because he's been blessed with a super majority in both Houses of the Florida statehouse.  If you want to write receipts in law, you'll need to do more than vote "all day long" like a trained monkey.  You'll need to slide off your soapbox, put away your fiddle and get to actual WORK on strengthening a Congressional Republican majority. ----

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« Reply #176 on: February 22, 2025, 05:17:34 pm »
No it ain't... He's got 4 years of record to rely upon.

 :yowsa: Which is why I would have crawled over a mile of broken glass to vote for him in 2020 and 2024.
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« Reply #177 on: February 22, 2025, 05:21:48 pm »
The number of casualties and destruction in this war sickens me. 

Count on a continuance of that now that Russia has the green light to continue its slaughter.
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« Reply #178 on: February 22, 2025, 05:25:32 pm »
RDS is able to generate receipts in LAW because he's been blessed with a super majority in both Houses of the Florida statehouse.  If you want to write receipts in law, you'll need to do more than vote "all day long" like a trained monkey.  You'll need to slide off your soapbox, put away your fiddle and get to actual WORK on strengthening a Congressional Republican majority. ----

crybaby bullshit...

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« Reply #179 on: February 22, 2025, 05:26:09 pm »
:yowsa: Which is why I would have crawled over a mile of broken glass to vote for him in 2020 and 2024.

And why I wouldn't vote for him at all.

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Re: I Was Wrong About Trump
« Reply #180 on: February 22, 2025, 05:29:59 pm »
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DCPatriot...

THEN...you put the onus on the House and Senate to pass legislation to make said "fix" permanent

That would be nice.  But then there is reality.

Let's see how long it takes the do nothing Congress to pass his one great big bill.  Unfortunately, the Republicans are never unified, and they are not right now.  Accomplishments in Congress will be few over the next two years.


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« Reply #182 on: February 22, 2025, 05:32:24 pm »
And why I wouldn't vote for him at all.

I do not believe that for a second but we've been down that row before, so I'll just leave it alone.
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« Reply #183 on: February 22, 2025, 05:34:23 pm »
I do not believe that for a second but we've been down that row before, so I'll just leave it alone.

You'd better believe it. His record is a disaster. And no, I did not vote for him ever.

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« Reply #184 on: February 22, 2025, 05:35:21 pm »
You'd better believe it. His record is a disaster. And no, I did not vote for him ever.

And we both know why.
"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
- J. R. R. Tolkien

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« Reply #185 on: February 22, 2025, 05:36:52 pm »
And we both know why.

Yeah. I vote for Conservatives, that's why.

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« Reply #186 on: February 22, 2025, 05:38:24 pm »
Yeah. I vote for Conservatives, that's why.

Your ox got gored and you blame Trump for it. I get it.
"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
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Re: I Was Wrong About Trump
« Reply #187 on: February 22, 2025, 05:40:40 pm »
https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,554115.msg3142605/topicseen.html#msg3142605

Noot has lived for the last quarter century off government money funneled into inside-the-Beltway NGOs.  He is part of the problem.
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« Reply #188 on: February 22, 2025, 05:42:32 pm »
Your ox got gored and you blame Trump for it. I get it.

Everyone's ox has been gored, to the tune of $38 trillion.  We'll see where we stand on Sept 30.  Hopefully, they will be handing a big chunk of cash back over to the Fed. 
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Re: I Was Wrong About Trump
« Reply #189 on: February 22, 2025, 05:48:50 pm »
I would vote for DeSantis all day long. He has the receipts in Florida. He's already done it for realz. in LAW.

RDS is able to generate receipts in LAW because he's been blessed with a super majority in both Houses of the Florida statehouse.  If you want to write receipts in law, you'll need to do more than vote "all day long" like a trained monkey.  You'll need to slide off your soapbox, put away your fiddle and get to actual WORK on strengthening a Congressional Republican majority. ----

crybaby bullshit...

@roamer_1

Thanks for posting  pointing-up the missing piece to the puzzle, "Who is Roamer"  --- Now I know for sure, it's ignorance.

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Re: I Was Wrong About Trump
« Reply #190 on: February 22, 2025, 05:52:25 pm »
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Show me the money.

Yeah, that's my mindset.  After spending a lifetime doing what they are attempting, reducing operating cost, the Trump/Musk approach is NOT pursuing the most reduction in cost.  Not even close.

Somehow, these two want to decimate the federal employee pool, and replace with contractors.  That is not reducing cost, that is jacking it up, BOTTOMLINE.  Contractors cost roughly twice what an employee cost.

Let me remind all of you, there are 2.4 million federal employees (excluding postal and military)

                                      there are 7 million contractors(excluding postal and military)

Frankly, they are doing it backwards.  The single greatest cost savings would be to eliminate the contractors, and there are no civil service protections for any of them.  NO DRAMA, NO COURTS!  I say remove most of the contractors, put the employees to work getting the work done, begin a process of defining work that is essential for now, for the future, work that is nice to have, and make work.  By putting the federal employees to the task of doing the work without the contractors, the dead heads will leave, at least many of them will.  And many folks with 20+ years will retire.  No package needed.

You want savings, you want a productive workforce, the above approach will work lightyears better than what Trump/Musk are doing.

They claim Musk is saving $1 billion per day.  The above approach is saving $500 billion to $1 trillion if the whole of the workforce is included.  That is a one hour discussion, no drama, no lawsuits. 

The latest request from Musk is that every federal employee send a report with 5 bullet points addressing what he/she accomplished last week to him/DOGE, copying the supervisor.  This is not the way one runs an organization.  You want an entity like the federal government to implement project management approaches, develop it within the framework of each organization so that the management team actually manages.

The issues that exist with the federal workforce are not a problem with the workforce, it is a problem with management.  I am not sure Trump/Musk have any idea of the difference.

This is why if Trump wanted to make lasting change, he would work to accomplish two things.  Two amendments to the Constitution:

1.  Mandatory balanced budget, only exception during periods of declared war by Congress

2.  Term limits for all member of Congress

These two things alone would accomplish lasting change in Washington.  Force the self serving thieves in Congress to embrace both these objectives, and Washington begins to make permanent change.  The EO route is erased with the next Democommie dummy. 

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Re: I Was Wrong About Trump
« Reply #191 on: February 22, 2025, 06:04:07 pm »
One other thought, Trump wants to ignite Congress to do their damn job, sign an EO preventing Congress from raiding the Social Security Fund to spend on WHATEVER.

And I think he should make it clear to them, no budget, the government shuts down.  If it shuts down for six months, so be it.  But it shuts down and stays shut down until a budget is derived.

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« Reply #192 on: February 22, 2025, 06:05:53 pm »
Your ox got gored and you blame Trump for it. I get it.

Oh bullcrap! It has little to do with my ox getting gored. Had I lost my business due to his GOOD practices, that'd be one thing... BUT THOUSANDS upon thousands lost their businesses during the covid debacle. That's just shitty governance, and I am right not to vote for that.

But even that aside, his utterly absurd monetary policy would be enough to assure my vote will never come his way. The printing presses ran white hot under Tumpy (and I dare say they will again).

Government got BIGGER under Tumpy - Not smaller.

Shall I go on? Because I can tick my fingers off for quite a long time. Had my ox not been gored there was still no way I'd ever vote for that... Not to mention more of that.

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« Reply #193 on: February 22, 2025, 06:09:00 pm »
And I think he should make it clear to them, no budget, the government shuts down.  If it shuts down for six months, so be it.  But it shuts down and stays shut down until a budget is derived.

And zero back pay.  If you aren't working because the government shuts down, you don't get paid.  Period.  That goes from the President on down.
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Re: I Was Wrong About Trump
« Reply #194 on: February 22, 2025, 06:12:08 pm »
Yeah, that's my mindset.  After spending a lifetime doing what they are attempting, reducing operating cost, the Trump/Musk approach is NOT pursuing the most reduction in cost.  Not even close.


It has nothing to do with budget and everything to do with prime time clicks.

I'll back off one little bit: Tumpy may have found something in Musk. That's the changeroo this time around. We will see how that plays out.

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Re: I Was Wrong About Trump
« Reply #195 on: February 22, 2025, 06:17:11 pm »
Oh bullcrap! It has little to do with my ox getting gored. Had I lost my business due to his GOOD practices, that'd be one thing... BUT THOUSANDS upon thousands lost their businesses during the covid debacle. That's just shitty governance, and I am right not to vote for that.

But even that aside, his utterly absurd monetary policy would be enough to assure my vote will never come his way. The printing presses ran white hot under Tumpy (and I dare say they will again).

Government got BIGGER under Tumpy - Not smaller.

Shall I go on? Because I can tick my fingers off for quite a long time. Had my ox not been gored there was still no way I'd ever vote for that... Not to mention more of that.

If you say so. I'm done with this BS!
"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
- J. R. R. Tolkien

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« Reply #196 on: February 22, 2025, 06:21:54 pm »
I'll back off one little bit: Tumpy may have found something in Musk. That's the changeroo this time around. We will see how that plays out.

Musk is the changemaker here, not Trump.  But Trump could turn on him at the drop of a hat.

I keep picturing Frodo standing at the chasm in Mount Doom poised to cast the ring into the fire, only to change his mind at the end.  The power of the ring is on parallel with the power of $2 trillion dollars sitting in the Treasury as the fiscal year closes.  What human could hold themselves to destroying that money?  I believe Musk could do it.  I do not believe the same for Trump.  I fear the Trump Administration will find new creative ways to spend the 'savings' [sic].

We'll see.
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"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
- J. R. R. Tolkien

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Re: I Was Wrong About Trump
« Reply #198 on: February 22, 2025, 06:30:25 pm »
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As much as i like him, he is a dye in the wool color within lines kind of guy.  Where we need more of a bull in a china shop right now


Well, DeSantis did not get it.  But he is the real deal, he produces results.  If history is any forecast, we know that almost everything Trump did in his first term was undone by Biden taking office.  There is nothing stopping a repeat of the same come the next Democommie. 

And yes, Trump is there but one month, but those of us here that see problems are speaking from our experience, and I do not buy the bull in the china shop nonsense.  There is never just one way to solve a problem.  I say take the route that produces the most dollars, is permanent, and with the least drama and courts.

Unfortunately, Trump loves to antagonize everyone on the path of life.  He is kissing Putin's posterior while denigrating a man that has led a country defending against the worst aggressor since Hitler.  Now, maybe this is just Trump's way to soften both of them up for the attempt to bring peace between these two leaders/nations.  He does have his own way of operating.  Time will tell.

To me, eliminating the 7 million contractors FIRST, who have zero civil service protections, cost twice as much as employees, that is what I CALL LOW HANGING FRUIT!  If Trump were listening to someone that had hundreds of experiences with reducing operations versus a guy that bought one company, and cut it 80%, his own company, things would be going a lot smoother.  Every court case Trump must contend  with slows everything down.  What is the number now, 100 lawsuits?

This is just not productive results.  And any of you that actually believe there will be money left in the Treasury, I got swamp land in Florida I can sell you..

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« Reply #199 on: February 22, 2025, 06:35:58 pm »

https://twitter.com/RonDeSNews/status/1892959206132666771

?? This birth certificate shows that his mother was an American citizen ??? I'm not seeing the proof of being fraudulent.