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I Was Wrong About Trump
« on: February 14, 2025, 10:31:16 am »
I Was Wrong About Trump
David Strom 8:00 AM | February 14, 2025

No, I am not in love with Trump. He still makes me cringe sometimes, and I still don't understand the Canada/51st state thing at all, and want nothing to do with Gaza if he is serious about that.

But there are two vital things about him which I got completely, totally, and without question wrong.

Walter Kirn slapped me in the face (not literally) with a single tweet.


https://twitter.com/walterkirn/status/1890144675451040045

Boom. At least it was a "boom" for me, because I was one of those people who was absolutely certain that Trump was too immature, too narcissistic, and too lacking in self-awareness to put his ego in check and hire the best people and support them. More than that, Trump has withstood weeks of attacks on his "ceding power" to "President Musk."

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Re: I Was Wrong About Trump
« Reply #1 on: February 14, 2025, 11:44:51 am »
When Trump ignores his lesser angels, he's an effective executive.

Trump's mistake with Covid-19 was to runaway from it instead of towards it.  Trump's Operation Warp Speed helped America take the global lead in the post-Covid recovery.

Enough with the grievances.  Trump beat the Dems' lawfare.  Trump beat the Dems, period.  Trump has backed the Dems into a corner.

Trump's best revenge is implementing policies that deconstruct the Administrative State.

Dems will attempt to distract Trump by baiting Trump's insecurities and personality defects.  Dems want to take Trump off offense and encourage him to become defensive.

Trump's offense just needs to keep steamrolling the Swamp and ignore the Dems.

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« Reply #2 on: February 14, 2025, 11:54:45 am »
   He's running on 7 of 8 cylinders.  I am ecstatic!
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« Reply #3 on: February 14, 2025, 12:12:34 pm »
   He's running on 7 of 8 cylinders.  I am ecstatic!

As am I.  Somewhere along the line, Trump had an epiphany that Conservatives were right when it came to Government spending.
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« Reply #4 on: February 14, 2025, 12:15:18 pm »
Let’s hope he’s actually got people who’ve thought through well enough how to make changes legally.  The Administrative Procedure Act and due process are not things to be toyed with lightly, and if his people haven’t thought this through, it’ll be no more than one big flash in the pan that gets summarily reversed by the courts. 

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« Reply #5 on: February 14, 2025, 12:20:08 pm »
As am I.  Somewhere along the line, Trump had an epiphany that Conservatives were right when it came to Government spending.

That, and plus all the liberal attacks, including the lawfare and assassination attempts, pushed him further right.  I think the close-call in Butler actually changed something in him, and made him somewhat more introspective and more focused on taking a wrecking ball to the Deep State structures that were enabling his enemies on the Left.

He still says cringy things though and I wish he'd stop praising Putin.
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« Reply #6 on: February 14, 2025, 12:36:46 pm »
Let’s hope he’s actually got people who’ve thought through well enough how to make changes legally.  The Administrative Procedure Act and due process are not things to be toyed with lightly, and if his people haven’t thought this through, it’ll be no more than one big flash in the pan that gets summarily reversed by the courts.

The Administrative Procedure Act says exactly nothing about reducing the federal workforce or about eliminating federal agencies wholesale. It was supposed to be a limit on the administrative state and in this regard the Administrative Procedure Act has been an utter failure.
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« Reply #7 on: February 14, 2025, 12:41:40 pm »
What is reversed by one court can be un-reversed by another court.

Show us the text of the laws - passed by Congress and signed by the President - that Trump and Doge are violating.

Executive Orders, Regulations, Rules, Policies, Procedures, and Practices are not laws.  They are administrative guidelines in lieu of laws.
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« Reply #8 on: February 14, 2025, 02:07:44 pm »
What is reversed by one court can be un-reversed by another court.

Show us the text of the laws - passed by Congress and signed by the President - that Trump and Doge are violating.

Executive Orders, Regulations, Rules, Policies, Procedures, and Practices are not laws.  They are administrative guidelines in lieu of laws.

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« Reply #9 on: February 14, 2025, 07:15:37 pm »
Let’s hope he’s actually got people who’ve thought through well enough how to make changes legally.  The Administrative Procedure Act and due process are not things to be toyed with lightly, and if his people haven’t thought this through, it’ll be no more than one big flash in the pan that gets summarily reversed by the courts.

That's right. Governing by EO is exactly that - A flash in the pan. Switched on and then off by incoming administrations.

I don't know why y'all keep thinking it's a good thing.

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« Reply #10 on: February 14, 2025, 07:35:59 pm »
That's right. Governing by EO is exactly that - A flash in the pan. Switched on and then off by incoming administrations.

I don't know why y'all keep thinking it's a good thing.

I assume that's the group "y'all" and not specifically addressed to me?

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« Reply #11 on: February 14, 2025, 07:39:18 pm »
That's right. Governing by EO is exactly that - A flash in the pan. Switched on and then off by incoming administrations.

I don't know why y'all keep thinking it's a good thing.

Well, NO SHIT, SHERLOCK!!  It's just a chicken and egg thing going on.

Was wondering when you guys were going to crawl out from under your rocks.

If you had any sense you'd just say "I WAS WRONG ABOUT TRUMP" and STFU!

He's building street cred with the American voter everyday.  While yours and the rest of the house NTs has been flushed.

Suggest you remain in lurk mode.  You're exposed.


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« Reply #12 on: February 14, 2025, 07:39:29 pm »
I assume that's the group "y'all" and not specifically addressed to me?

No one really takes you seriously.  So prolly not!
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« Reply #13 on: February 14, 2025, 07:42:38 pm »
That's right. Governing by EO is exactly that - A flash in the pan. Switched on and then off by incoming administrations.

I don't know why y'all keep thinking it's a good thing.

It's a good thing if congress follows up with laws solidifying these actions.

Neither you nor I thought he would come out swing to reduce the size and scope of the federal government like he has.

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« Reply #14 on: February 14, 2025, 08:55:29 pm »
Well, I got on this thread as I had thought it was an admission by at least several of the posters who have been badmouthing Trump since he was last President that they just might have been wrong about him.  At least in some areas.

You know, those who said such things as

"Tumpy will not get the Christian vote en bloc. Guaranteed. "[he got 72%]

"There is nothing Conservative in Tumpy. Nothing.
To me he is the same thing as the left.

By what wild metric should I vote for that? Why should I vote for the opposite of my beliefs in service of my beliefs? That makes no sense at all."


Am disappointed, but not surprised.
I for one did not anticipate the degree of his preparation after  winning.  He assembled what I see is an outstanding team and is implementing his strategy.  And doing it rapidly and cutting out the deadwood.  Very little of what he has done is not conservative.

My only apprehension is that whatever he changes in D.C must be solidified by actual laws rather than EOs in order to last.  Consequently, he will need to have Congressional support and I do hope he is in the background sowing the seeds to make that happen.
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« Reply #15 on: February 14, 2025, 09:07:30 pm »
It's a good thing if congress follows up with laws solidifying these actions.

Neither you nor I thought he would come out swing to reduce the size and scope of the federal government like he has.

Hopefully this gives the Republicans something to run on for the midterms, because until we have more control over Congress,  Trump can't get everything accomplished.

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« Reply #16 on: February 14, 2025, 09:10:42 pm »
Well, I got on this thread as I had thought it was an admission by at least several of the posters who have been badmouthing Trump since he was last President that they just might have been wrong about him.  At least in some areas.

You know, those who said such things as

"Tumpy will not get the Christian vote en bloc. Guaranteed. "[he got 72%]

"There is nothing Conservative in Tumpy. Nothing.
To me he is the same thing as the left.

By what wild metric should I vote for that? Why should I vote for the opposite of my beliefs in service of my beliefs? That makes no sense at all."


Am disappointed, but not surprised.
I for one did not anticipate the degree of his preparation after  winning.  He assembled what I see is an outstanding team and is implementing his strategy.  And doing it rapidly and cutting out the deadwood.  Very little of what he has done is not conservative.

My only apprehension is that whatever he changes in D.C must be solidified by actual laws rather than EOs in order to last.  Consequently, he will need to have Congressional support and I do hope he is in the background sowing the seeds to make that happen.

 :beer:   tipping hat!!

It will happen!! 

I too, came to the thread hoping to see a line of NT's waiting to enter the confessional.

Didn't take long to see the usual suspects letting squirrels loose in our backyard.
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« Reply #17 on: February 14, 2025, 09:14:07 pm »
Hopefully this gives the Republicans something to run on for the midterms, because until we have more control over Congress,  Trump can't get everything accomplished.
The voters need to see and feel the difference by the Midterms. The Congress (at least the Pubbies) need to get with the program, too, and make solidifying CONTINUING to solidify the gains an election issue (as in don't wait, get the legislation in place).

Look for every possible form of sabotage in the meantime, and efforts to steal elections when they happen..
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« Reply #18 on: February 14, 2025, 09:27:22 pm »
25 days in. 25 days. President Trump’s pace has been breathtaking. EO’s are imperfect but he has shown a spotlight on the abuses like no other. The ‘roaches are frantic. I suspect he will put some teeth into his actions with a zero based budget proposal to Congress.

I voted for the man 3 times. The first time, I was not impressed by his style but I was terrified of Hillary. The second time, I desperately wanted him to win but had reservations. After the third, I pray for his safety and I am beginning to believe he is transformational.
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« Reply #19 on: February 14, 2025, 09:34:59 pm »
25 days in. 25 days. President Trump’s pace has been breathtaking. EO’s are imperfect but he has shown a spotlight on the abuses like no other. The ‘roaches are frantic. I suspect he will put some teeth into his actions with a zero based budget proposal to Congress.

I voted for the man 3 times. The first time, I was not impressed by his style but I was terrified of Hillary. The second time, I desperately wanted him to win but had reservations. After the third, I pray for his safety and I am beginning to believe he is transformational.

Trump has done his homework and I believe has methodically worked out how he plans on saving this country; certainly he has the people behind him.  The only thing truly standing in his way are DEM lunatics like Chuckie and McConnell.  They stand to lose what's been going into their pockets for years.

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« Reply #20 on: February 14, 2025, 10:01:37 pm »
Well, I got on this thread as I had thought it was an admission by at least several of the posters who have been badmouthing Trump since he was last President that they just might have been wrong about him.  At least in some areas.

You know, those who said such things as

"Tumpy will not get the Christian vote en bloc. Guaranteed. "[he got 72%]

"There is nothing Conservative in Tumpy. Nothing.
To me he is the same thing as the left.

By what wild metric should I vote for that? Why should I vote for the opposite of my beliefs in service of my beliefs? That makes no sense at all."


Am disappointed, but not surprised.
I for one did not anticipate the degree of his preparation after  winning.  He assembled what I see is an outstanding team and is implementing his strategy.  And doing it rapidly and cutting out the deadwood.  Very little of what he has done is not conservative.

My only apprehension is that whatever he changes in D.C must be solidified by actual laws rather than EOs in order to last.  Consequently, he will need to have Congressional support and I do hope he is in the background sowing the seeds to make that happen.

From what I can tell, getting Congressional support is going to be his biggest hurdle.  He has a razor thin majority in the House which could turn out to be problematic and he has the 3 amigos; McConnell, Murkowski and Collins still lurking in the Senate.  So, yes, it is a huge concern getting actual laws implemented rather than ruling by executive orders.  He has the remainder of this year to do so and then we'll be heading into campaigning for the mid terms, so time is of the essence. 

Trump had an objective to fulfill much of his agenda in his first 100 days and it is obvious that the DEMS are going to begin to wake up from the freight train that just ran over them.  They will come at him again with a greater vengeance than before.  I question whether or not Trump will put himself and his family through the wringer once again or simply step down and let JD run with it.  Vance has been very active so far, so it wouldn't at all  surprise me. Trump has already made history in a positive light  -- the man has survived against all odds in more ways than one.

Another critical point that I believe is absolutely imperative is getting the wall built. That needs to be accomplished before people go to vote in the mid terms.  Trump fails to make that happen with a full majority and I'd say that the GOP can kiss the mid terms good-bye.  Just my opinion.


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« Reply #21 on: February 14, 2025, 10:35:42 pm »
The Dems are fumbling right now.  They have zero leadership.  Let's face it, they had Biden, dead from the neck up, and then Harris, even dumber if that is possible.  And Schumer is a true putz.  But the total political incompetence for the Dems will not last forever.  At some point, they will find their posterior, perhaps with a flashlight.

The argument above is exactly right.  Everything done via EO will be subject to reversal, complete reversal with the election of the next Democommie.  Trump would do well to get Congress involved in what he is doing and get them on board.  You think the cowardly Republicans are on board?  I don't.

And unless I am mistaken, he got kicked in the teeth with the US AID BS.  Granted, discovering that fraud is magnificent.  The courts are not going to support his eliminating civil servants, folks with 3+ years of service.

It was announced today that the CDC will jettison 10% of its workforce.  Those of you that think that a good idea, you might just think again.  The people getting jettisoned are highly educated folks, hard to find.  The departments jammed to the rafters, like those working on HIV/AIDS with swelled budgets for a disease that is largely on maintenance are hardly being touched.  So, when the next major outbreak comes, and it will, the CDC will be that much further crippled to respond.

So, I do not think what he is doing is well thought out, and I know for fact they have not taken a thorough look at the block of work in each agency and determined what cuts make sense.

A bunch of computer geeks barely out of their teens are not the folks that should be examining each agency for proper cuts.  They are clueless, and mark my words, they are digging a hole for Trump.  I have done this type work my whole life, and there are many ways to approach streamlining operations, and I know this approach is the least successful long term. 

They may know how to find data that displays fraud, but they do not know how to determine what is the proper staffing for each agency.  What good is what they're doing if the next Democommie reverses it all?  And they will.  As a reminder, Biden undid almost everything Trump did but tariffs.

And Trump has not touched any of the intelligence agencies.  You want to save money in the government, start with the big line items.  Trump just terminated 10% of the CDC, and is talking about eliminating 1,000 positions in the IRS.  Biden just hired 84,000 to further harass Americans in the last year, and he is getting rid of 1,000 of the IRS.  That is a whopping 1% or LESS.  NOT IMPRESSED!!!!!!!!!!

With 2.4 million federal employees, and 7 million contractors excluding postal and military, why does he insist on attacking the employees and not touching the contractors, which are more costly?  Why?  And contractors are not subject to civil service protections.  No judge will stand in the way if he reduces contractors.  He would know this if he had people that know what they are doing, verses the teen geek squad.

And for those of you that believe the fed employees are not working, get rid of the contractors, save about$500 BILLION and put the employees to work.  The dead heads will leave because they will not be able to deal with the workload, and the savings, which is what I am focused on will be lasting, and not just during the years of Trump as POTUS.

All the court activity will actually slow his efforts down, which is what the Dems are hoping for.  I say avoid the drama, avoid the stinking courts, and produce results that stand the test of time.

And he is pissing everyone off, do you really think the Republicans are going to pass ONE, TWO, TEN pieces of legislation that Trump wants?  He should have done the legislation first, and had DOGE compile their findings and launched implementation after the legislation was completed.  Trump can terrorize the federal workforce, but he will not terrorize Congress.  They are real good at doing nothing!   And he cannot fire them like Putin has dealt with the Duma!

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« Reply #22 on: February 14, 2025, 10:36:07 pm »
Well, NO SHIT, SHERLOCK!!  It's just a chicken and egg thing going on.

Was wondering when you guys were going to crawl out from under your rocks.


Gee, I've been wondering the same thing about you.  Here is Trump doing EXACTLY what Conservatives said he needed to do - reduce government, starve the Swamp.  All the while YOU were telling us that doing so would be political suicide, that it was politically impossible to use Executive power to cut off funding.  What a short memory you have. 


If you had any sense you'd just say "I WAS WRONG ABOUT TRUMP" and STFU!

I am overjoyed that I was wrong about Trump.  And what about your sense?  What's your reaction to being wrong about Trump?  Because there is nothing you have said over the last 12 years that even remotely suggested he would do what he is doing now.  Trump is finally doing what we Conservatives always wanted him to do.  Maybe you're the one who should go back to lurk mode after telling us for years that government couldn't be cut back.  @DCPatriot
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« Reply #23 on: February 14, 2025, 10:47:25 pm »
Gee, I've been wondering the same thing about you.  Here is Trump doing EXACTLY what Conservatives said he needed to do - reduce government, starve the Swamp.  All the while YOU were telling us that doing so would be political suicide, that it was politically impossible to use Executive power to cut off funding.  What a short memory you have. 


I am overjoyed that I was wrong about Trump.  And what about your sense?  What's your reaction to being wrong about Trump?  Because there is nothing you have said over the last 12 years that even remotely suggested he would do what he is doing now.  Trump is finally doing what we Conservatives always wanted him to do.  Maybe you're the one who should go back to lurk mode after telling us for years that government couldn't be cut back.  @DCPatriot

And here you are...the biggest bullshitter of them all.

Yeah...I said that it would be impossible to cut spending for the welfare class because the media would devour him non-stop.

Never said anything about cutting waste and grift.

So stuff it.

You were wrong about President Trump.  You're a sad joke. Only several months ago you couldn't even commit to giving him your vote...one of the reasons being because RIV and I were his most ardent forum disciples.

Go back and play on your 'safe space' Ukraine war thread.


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« Reply #24 on: February 14, 2025, 10:51:44 pm »
Let's review.  Here was an exchange at the end of December.  @roamer_1 was on this thread, too.:



With the slimmest of margins in both Houses presently, President Trump has his eyes on the 2026 Mid-Term elections...doesn't want to be politically castrated...which historically has been the norm in my lifetime![/size]

We are already being castrated by deficit spending.  How do you think Kamala Harris ended up with $1.5 billion in a matter of a few weeks?  It all came from the federal government.  Planned Parenthood alone received $2 billion in taxpayer money during Biden's term.  What do you think they did with that money?

The ONLY path to victory is to put an end to spending money we don't have.  Otherwise, this nation ends up on the ash heap of history just like the Roman Empire who couldn't manage their budget either.

Your solutions only work/apply with an informed voter populace AND an objective, non-partisan media.

Just plain wrong to expect voters to swallow any 'Castor Oil' in terms of program cuts and still have them embrace the GOP solution you're advancing when they enter the voting booths.


Here is what I said back then.  It still applies:

The election is over.  But your continued embracement of the status quo is duly noted.  You gave this same excuse as a defense for $2 trillion deficits before the election.  And now you're already projecting to the next one.  We are not on the same side here.  I recognize deficit spending as this nation's greatest threat, while you consider spending cuts to be your own greatest threat.

It's a good thing that Trump is doing what we wanted him to do instead of what you said he should do, @DCPatriot
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« Reply #25 on: February 14, 2025, 11:07:19 pm »
Go back and play on your 'safe space' Ukraine war thread.

Speaking of the Ukraine war thread, weren't you supposed to check back with me at the 30-day mark (Mar 26,2022) to boast about Kyiv falling to the Russian blitzkrieg just like Warsaw did in 1939?  It's been over a thousand days.  What gives?
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« Reply #26 on: February 14, 2025, 11:24:27 pm »
Let's review.  Here was an exchange at the end of December.  @roamer_1 was on this thread, too.:

We are already being castrated by deficit spending.  How do you think Kamala Harris ended up with $1.5 billion in a matter of a few weeks?  It all came from the federal government.  Planned Parenthood alone received $2 billion in taxpayer money during Biden's term.  What do you think they did with that money?

The ONLY path to victory is to put an end to spending money we don't have.  Otherwise, this nation ends up on the ash heap of history just like the Roman Empire who couldn't manage their budget either.


Your solutions only work/apply with an informed voter populace AND an objective, non-partisan media.

Just plain wrong to expect voters to swallow any 'Castor Oil' in terms of program cuts and still have them embrace the GOP solution you're advancing when they enter the voting booths.



Here is what I said back then.  It still applies:

The election is over.  But your continued embracement of the status quo is duly noted.  You gave this same excuse as a defense for $2 trillion deficits before the election.  And now you're already projecting to the next one.  We are not on the same side here.  I recognize deficit spending as this nation's greatest threat, while you consider spending cuts to be your own greatest threat.

It's a good thing that Trump is doing what we wanted him to do instead of what you said he should do, @DCPatriot

You and I are finished, @Hoodat   You have a big bleeping mouth for a forum moderator.

From now on, suggest you do what I've been doing the past six months...use your scroll bar and ignore me and we'll get along just fine.

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« Reply #27 on: February 14, 2025, 11:50:57 pm »
Here it is again for everyone to see.  You just don't like it when someone holds you accountable for what you post.

With the slimmest of margins in both Houses presently, President Trump has his eyes on the 2026 Mid-Term elections...doesn't want to be politically castrated...which historically has been the norm in my lifetime!
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« Reply #28 on: February 14, 2025, 11:59:47 pm »
I am overjoyed that I was wrong about Trump.


I don't believe a damn word of it. I want to see the bottom line at the end of the fiscal year. A half a trillion promised to Big Tech for AI development is going to be hard to make up.

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« Reply #29 on: February 15, 2025, 02:27:01 am »
I don't believe a damn word of it. I want to see the bottom line at the end of the fiscal year. A half a trillion promised to Big Tech for AI development is going to be hard to make up.

Like the Zen master said, 'At the end of the year, we'll see'.
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« Reply #30 on: February 15, 2025, 02:45:58 am »
I don't believe a damn word of it. I want to see the bottom line at the end of the fiscal year. A half a trillion promised to Big Tech for AI development is going to be hard to make up.

That half a trillion Trump was talking about was private sector investment.
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« Reply #31 on: February 15, 2025, 08:39:14 am »
That half a trillion Trump was talking about was private sector investment.

Yes.
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« Reply #32 on: February 15, 2025, 09:33:00 am »
That half a trillion Trump was talking about was private sector investment.

We'll see. All I know is that bullshit flies thick around Tumpy. and he goes through turd polish by the drum. All the high-fiving and strutting around here sure ought to be reflected in the end-of-year bottom line if any of it is true at all. A substantial reduction in the size and expense of government might ought to be forthcoming, eh?

Show me the money. all this media bullcrap is for the chumps.

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« Reply #33 on: February 15, 2025, 10:05:33 am »
We'll see.




You’re right, of course. In time we will see. But, I can’t imagine anyone shutting off the immigration flow, and shining a brighter light on fiscal, social and foreign policy issues in such a short time. Junior Congress people and staff are still getting lost in the hallways.

So, we will see… but forgive me for being enthusiastic for what has already been on display.
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« Reply #34 on: February 15, 2025, 10:49:33 am »
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« Reply #35 on: February 15, 2025, 11:12:56 am »
So, we will see… but forgive me for being enthusiastic for what has already been on display.

Sorry. I am forever immune to shiny shit. A natural skeptic. And money talks, bullshit walks.

Everybody's hooting and hollering just like the first time around, which ended in utter disaster. This smells the very same.  :shrug:

Wait for the bottom line. And then wait sommore for the corrections, way below the fold, 3 months later after that.

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« Reply #36 on: February 15, 2025, 12:47:59 pm »
The Dems are fumbling right now.  They have zero leadership.  Let's face it, they had Biden, dead from the neck up, and then Harris, even dumber if that is possible.  And Schumer is a true putz.  But the total political incompetence for the Dems will not last forever.  At some point, they will find their posterior, perhaps with a flashlight.

The argument above is exactly right.  Everything done via EO will be subject to reversal, complete reversal with the election of the next Democommie.  Trump would do well to get Congress involved in what he is doing and get them on board.  You think the cowardly Republicans are on board?  I don't.

And unless I am mistaken, he got kicked in the teeth with the US AID BS.  Granted, discovering that fraud is magnificent.  The courts are not going to support his eliminating civil servants, folks with 3+ years of service.

It was announced today that the CDC will jettison 10% of its workforce.  Those of you that think that a good idea, you might just think again.  The people getting jettisoned are highly educated folks, hard to find.  The departments jammed to the rafters, like those working on HIV/AIDS with swelled budgets for a disease that is largely on maintenance are hardly being touched.  So, when the next major outbreak comes, and it will, the CDC will be that much further crippled to respond.

So, I do not think what he is doing is well thought out, and I know for fact they have not taken a thorough look at the block of work in each agency and determined what cuts make sense.

A bunch of computer geeks barely out of their teens are not the folks that should be examining each agency for proper cuts.  They are clueless, and mark my words, they are digging a hole for Trump.  I have done this type work my whole life, and there are many ways to approach streamlining operations, and I know this approach is the least successful long term. 

They may know how to find data that displays fraud, but they do not know how to determine what is the proper staffing for each agency.  What good is what they're doing if the next Democommie reverses it all?  And they will.  As a reminder, Biden undid almost everything Trump did but tariffs.

And Trump has not touched any of the intelligence agencies.  You want to save money in the government, start with the big line items.  Trump just terminated 10% of the CDC, and is talking about eliminating 1,000 positions in the IRS.  Biden just hired 84,000 to further harass Americans in the last year, and he is getting rid of 1,000 of the IRS.  That is a whopping 1% or LESS.  NOT IMPRESSED!!!!!!!!!!

With 2.4 million federal employees, and 7 million contractors excluding postal and military, why does he insist on attacking the employees and not touching the contractors, which are more costly?  Why?  And contractors are not subject to civil service protections.  No judge will stand in the way if he reduces contractors.  He would know this if he had people that know what they are doing, verses the teen geek squad.

And for those of you that believe the fed employees are not working, get rid of the contractors, save about$500 BILLION and put the employees to work.  The dead heads will leave because they will not be able to deal with the workload, and the savings, which is what I am focused on will be lasting, and not just during the years of Trump as POTUS.

All the court activity will actually slow his efforts down, which is what the Dems are hoping for.  I say avoid the drama, avoid the stinking courts, and produce results that stand the test of time.

And he is pissing everyone off, do you really think the Republicans are going to pass ONE, TWO, TEN pieces of legislation that Trump wants?  He should have done the legislation first, and had DOGE compile their findings and launched implementation after the legislation was completed.  Trump can terrorize the federal workforce, but he will not terrorize Congress.  They are real good at doing nothing!   And he cannot fire them like Putin has dealt with the Duma!

Excellent analysis.

Trump is just glibly ripping through everything.  The fact he does it right away, despite the fact he was Pres earlier, indicates it is far to reckless and glib.  One cannot simply tear things up like that without consequence.  It needs some examination.

Nevermind his rewarding “loyal” too much.  A DEM freak like RFK in the position he’s made a fool of himself for over years.  A DEM like Gabbard.  Don’t trust anyone who is basically a Dem.
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« Reply #37 on: February 15, 2025, 01:04:27 pm »

Everybody's hooting and hollering just like the first time around, which ended in utter disaster. This smells the very same. 

Shocking   Just shy of one month in office and you're hellbent on reigniting the prayer chain for Trump's failure ---   

Gratefully, you have no power. :cross:

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« Reply #38 on: February 15, 2025, 01:08:03 pm »
Trump is just glibly ripping through everything.  The fact he does it right away, despite the fact he was Pres earlier, indicates it is far to reckless and glib.

This  pointing-up statement is precisely arse backwards.

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« Reply #39 on: February 15, 2025, 01:14:44 pm »
   I was wondering when you'd show up    :shrug:
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« Reply #40 on: February 15, 2025, 01:19:42 pm »
Nevermind his rewarding “loyal” too much.  A DEM freak like RFK in the position he’s made a fool of himself for over years.  Don’t trust anyone who is basically a Dem.

To paraphrase Golda Meir~ Healthy generations will come when all citizens will love their children more than they hate their political opposition.

RFK Jr is the right man at the right time for the job at HHS.

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« Reply #41 on: February 15, 2025, 01:41:49 pm »
RFK Jr is the right man at the right time for the job at HHS.

Only because Trump appointed him.  You would be saying the same thing if Trump had appointed Fauci.
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« Reply #42 on: February 15, 2025, 02:01:37 pm »
Well, NO SHIT, SHERLOCK!!  It's just a chicken and egg thing going on.

Was wondering when you guys were going to crawl out from under your rocks.

If you had any sense you'd just say "I WAS WRONG ABOUT TRUMP" and STFU!

He's building street cred with the American voter everyday.  While yours and the rest of the house NTs has been flushed.

Suggest you remain in lurk mode.  You're exposed.

I will happily say "I was wrong about Trump!" I refused to vote for him in 2016 and am now seeing things done that I never thought I would live to see. IF he actually does get rid of the Marxist income tax and the IRS I will die a happy man and consider my life well spent since I have been working toward that for more than 40 years. Since Bill Archer was my Congressman.

I actually now believe we are witnessing something else that I've been predicting for many years. The Democrat party going the way of the Whig party. @DCPatriot
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« Reply #43 on: February 15, 2025, 03:31:47 pm »
Only because Trump appointed him.  You would be saying the same thing if Trump had appointed Fauci.

Easy on FR to find how people mocked and panned RFK just a short 10 years ago.  He goes with Trump, and spouts how he hates the (Trump-pushed) COVID vax, and “conservatives” love him suddenly.  Look the other way with Trump appointing Dems.  Ridiculous.

I did NOT like the COVID vax, but I’m not a 1-issue voter.  I don’t mind all the other trrrific vax we’ve had.  As a scientist, I don’t like the rushing biology to come up with some vax for an allegedly “Black Plague” disease.  I don’t trust anything rushed within a year.  Absurd.  So Idont want to hear people, accuse me of being pro-COVID vax.  I was not, but I was never “anti-vax” crazy as we once called all the loonies like RFK accusing them of causing “autism”.
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« Reply #44 on: February 15, 2025, 04:05:06 pm »
The Dems are fumbling right now.  They have zero leadership.  Let's face it, they had Biden, dead from the neck up, and then Harris, even dumber if that is possible.  And Schumer is a true putz.  But the total political incompetence for the Dems will not last forever.  At some point, they will find their posterior, perhaps with a flashlight.

The argument above is exactly right.  Everything done via EO will be subject to reversal, complete reversal with the election of the next Democommie.  Trump would do well to get Congress involved in what he is doing and get them on board.  You think the cowardly Republicans are on board?  I don't.


That is nothing short of brilliant.  :beer: :beer:

The argument remains exactly the same... Unless he can write some laws, anything he does is gone in four years... Poof! No eyebrows. And Congress is instinctively going to realize the danger and circle the wagons around the feed trough. And that leaves Tumpy with 4 years of EOs, which the Swamp will inevitably survive. That is the predicted end.

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And unless I am mistaken, he got kicked in the teeth with the US AID BS.  Granted, discovering that fraud is magnificent.  The courts are not going to support his eliminating civil servants, folks with 3+ years of service.

It was announced today that the CDC will jettison 10% of its workforce.  Those of you that think that a good idea, you might just think again.  The people getting jettisoned are highly educated folks, hard to find.  The departments jammed to the rafters, like those working on HIV/AIDS with swelled budgets for a disease that is largely on maintenance are hardly being touched.  So, when the next major outbreak comes, and it will, the CDC will be that much further crippled to respond.

So, I do not think what he is doing is well thought out, and I know for fact they have not taken a thorough look at the block of work in each agency and determined what cuts make sense.

I will rise in favor of the work, if it is real... Any corporate entity that has not felt the sharp edge of the axe for nearly a generation is slow and fat and overflowing with suckling pigs. Chopping off 10% is hardly even a good start. You can probably chop off 50% and hardly bat an eye, albeit that your argument is sound otherwise. Even flailing about, there's enough fat laying everywhere that a good job of it is inevitable - If it's true.

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And he is pissing everyone off, do you really think the Republicans are going to pass ONE, TWO, TEN pieces of legislation that Trump wants?  He should have done the legislation first, and had DOGE compile their findings and launched implementation after the legislation was completed.  Trump can terrorize the federal workforce, but he will not terrorize Congress.  They are real good at doing nothing!   And he cannot fire them like Putin has dealt with the Duma!

That's right. Taking the teat from their mouth should not have happened yet. He scared the crap out of em. So like I said, they will circle the wagons around that feed trough, all the more because it seems apparent that the feed might be drying up. So the RINOs and the Liberals will join hands in vast agreement that the feed trough must remain, and no legislation will be made. That is nearly guaranteed.

Good post.

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« Reply #45 on: February 15, 2025, 04:44:48 pm »
Only because Trump appointed him.  You would be saying the same thing if Trump had appointed Fauci.

You're still so very proud of how little you know ----  88devil

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« Reply #46 on: February 15, 2025, 04:57:12 pm »
You're still so very proud of how little you know ----  88devil

It's not what I know.  It's what I've watched you do for the last nine years.
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« Reply #47 on: February 15, 2025, 05:01:01 pm »
Easy on FR to find how people mocked and panned RFK just a short 10 years ago.  He goes with Trump, and spouts how he hates the (Trump-pushed) COVID vax, and “conservatives” love him suddenly.  Look the other way with Trump appointing Dems.  Ridiculous

Do you have a problem with removing additives from our food ---- especially those banned in every other Western nation? 

Do you consider mandatory full disclosures for vaccines ---- prior to their use --- an unfair burden for pharmaceutical companies?

Should there be a minimum human testing period for all medications and vaccines? 

Do you think we should continue to ignore the epidemic of childhood chronic diseases --- another category the US dominates among Western Nations?

RFK Jr has been studying these issues for 20 years .... He's earned the chance to help guide a debate we've needed for decades.

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« Reply #48 on: February 15, 2025, 05:10:48 pm »
.I was never “anti-vax” crazy as we once called all the loonies like RFK accusing them of causing “autism”.

Wouldn't you like to finally know whether our current vaccines or sequence of mandatory distribution do or do not contribute to the development of childhood autism?

Should parents have a say in when and what vaccine their child receives?

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« Reply #49 on: February 15, 2025, 05:15:06 pm »
That is nothing short of brilliant.  :beer: :beer:

The argument remains exactly the same... Unless he can write some laws, anything he does is gone in four years... Poof! No eyebrows. And Congress is instinctively going to realize the danger and circle the wagons around the feed trough. And that leaves Tumpy with 4 years of EOs, which the Swamp will inevitably survive. That is the predicted end.

I will rise in favor of the work, if it is real... Any corporate entity that has not felt the sharp edge of the axe for nearly a generation is slow and fat and overflowing with suckling pigs. Chopping off 10% is hardly even a good start. You can probably chop off 50% and hardly bat an eye, albeit that your argument is sound otherwise. Even flailing about, there's enough fat laying everywhere that a good job of it is inevitable - If it's true.

That's right. Taking the teat from their mouth should not have happened yet. He scared the crap out of em. So like I said, they will circle the wagons around that feed trough, all the more because it seems apparent that the feed might be drying up. So the RINOs and the Liberals will join hands in vast agreement that the feed trough must remain, and no legislation will be made. That is nearly guaranteed.

Good post.

I am more optimistic. I think we'll begin to see some legislation landing on his desk for him to sign.

The best thing we all can do is start calling your senators and your congressmen and start demanding that the start drafting bills to set Trump's agenda in stone. Otherwise, like we are all aware, all of this is for nothing.

Problem is we have a razor thin majority.  The three amigos in the Senate are toxic.  Speaker Johnson hasn't exactly been able to chorale his members in the House and Thune ... well, I wouldn't exactly call him a conservative.

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