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I Was Wrong About Trump
« on: February 14, 2025, 10:31:16 am »
I Was Wrong About Trump
David Strom 8:00 AM | February 14, 2025

No, I am not in love with Trump. He still makes me cringe sometimes, and I still don't understand the Canada/51st state thing at all, and want nothing to do with Gaza if he is serious about that.

But there are two vital things about him which I got completely, totally, and without question wrong.

Walter Kirn slapped me in the face (not literally) with a single tweet.


https://twitter.com/walterkirn/status/1890144675451040045

Boom. At least it was a "boom" for me, because I was one of those people who was absolutely certain that Trump was too immature, too narcissistic, and too lacking in self-awareness to put his ego in check and hire the best people and support them. More than that, Trump has withstood weeks of attacks on his "ceding power" to "President Musk."

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Re: I Was Wrong About Trump
« Reply #1 on: February 14, 2025, 11:44:51 am »
When Trump ignores his lesser angels, he's an effective executive.

Trump's mistake with Covid-19 was to runaway from it instead of towards it.  Trump's Operation Warp Speed helped America take the global lead in the post-Covid recovery.

Enough with the grievances.  Trump beat the Dems' lawfare.  Trump beat the Dems, period.  Trump has backed the Dems into a corner.

Trump's best revenge is implementing policies that deconstruct the Administrative State.

Dems will attempt to distract Trump by baiting Trump's insecurities and personality defects.  Dems want to take Trump off offense and encourage him to become defensive.

Trump's offense just needs to keep steamrolling the Swamp and ignore the Dems.

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« Reply #2 on: February 14, 2025, 11:54:45 am »
   He's running on 7 of 8 cylinders.  I am ecstatic!
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« Reply #3 on: February 14, 2025, 12:12:34 pm »
   He's running on 7 of 8 cylinders.  I am ecstatic!

As am I.  Somewhere along the line, Trump had an epiphany that Conservatives were right when it came to Government spending.
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« Reply #4 on: February 14, 2025, 12:15:18 pm »
Let’s hope he’s actually got people who’ve thought through well enough how to make changes legally.  The Administrative Procedure Act and due process are not things to be toyed with lightly, and if his people haven’t thought this through, it’ll be no more than one big flash in the pan that gets summarily reversed by the courts. 

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« Reply #5 on: February 14, 2025, 12:20:08 pm »
As am I.  Somewhere along the line, Trump had an epiphany that Conservatives were right when it came to Government spending.

That, and plus all the liberal attacks, including the lawfare and assassination attempts, pushed him further right.  I think the close-call in Butler actually changed something in him, and made him somewhat more introspective and more focused on taking a wrecking ball to the Deep State structures that were enabling his enemies on the Left.

He still says cringy things though and I wish he'd stop praising Putin.
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Re: I Was Wrong About Trump
« Reply #6 on: February 14, 2025, 12:36:46 pm »
Let’s hope he’s actually got people who’ve thought through well enough how to make changes legally.  The Administrative Procedure Act and due process are not things to be toyed with lightly, and if his people haven’t thought this through, it’ll be no more than one big flash in the pan that gets summarily reversed by the courts.

The Administrative Procedure Act says exactly nothing about reducing the federal workforce or about eliminating federal agencies wholesale. It was supposed to be a limit on the administrative state and in this regard the Administrative Procedure Act has been an utter failure.
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« Reply #7 on: February 14, 2025, 12:41:40 pm »
What is reversed by one court can be un-reversed by another court.

Show us the text of the laws - passed by Congress and signed by the President - that Trump and Doge are violating.

Executive Orders, Regulations, Rules, Policies, Procedures, and Practices are not laws.  They are administrative guidelines in lieu of laws.
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« Reply #8 on: February 14, 2025, 02:07:44 pm »
What is reversed by one court can be un-reversed by another court.

Show us the text of the laws - passed by Congress and signed by the President - that Trump and Doge are violating.

Executive Orders, Regulations, Rules, Policies, Procedures, and Practices are not laws.  They are administrative guidelines in lieu of laws.

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« Reply #9 on: February 14, 2025, 07:15:37 pm »
Let’s hope he’s actually got people who’ve thought through well enough how to make changes legally.  The Administrative Procedure Act and due process are not things to be toyed with lightly, and if his people haven’t thought this through, it’ll be no more than one big flash in the pan that gets summarily reversed by the courts.

That's right. Governing by EO is exactly that - A flash in the pan. Switched on and then off by incoming administrations.

I don't know why y'all keep thinking it's a good thing.

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« Reply #10 on: February 14, 2025, 07:35:59 pm »
That's right. Governing by EO is exactly that - A flash in the pan. Switched on and then off by incoming administrations.

I don't know why y'all keep thinking it's a good thing.

I assume that's the group "y'all" and not specifically addressed to me?

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« Reply #11 on: February 14, 2025, 07:39:18 pm »
That's right. Governing by EO is exactly that - A flash in the pan. Switched on and then off by incoming administrations.

I don't know why y'all keep thinking it's a good thing.

Well, NO SHIT, SHERLOCK!!  It's just a chicken and egg thing going on.

Was wondering when you guys were going to crawl out from under your rocks.

If you had any sense you'd just say "I WAS WRONG ABOUT TRUMP" and STFU!

He's building street cred with the American voter everyday.  While yours and the rest of the house NTs has been flushed.

Suggest you remain in lurk mode.  You're exposed.


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« Reply #12 on: February 14, 2025, 07:39:29 pm »
I assume that's the group "y'all" and not specifically addressed to me?

No one really takes you seriously.  So prolly not!
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« Reply #13 on: February 14, 2025, 07:42:38 pm »
That's right. Governing by EO is exactly that - A flash in the pan. Switched on and then off by incoming administrations.

I don't know why y'all keep thinking it's a good thing.

It's a good thing if congress follows up with laws solidifying these actions.

Neither you nor I thought he would come out swing to reduce the size and scope of the federal government like he has.

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« Reply #14 on: February 14, 2025, 08:55:29 pm »
Well, I got on this thread as I had thought it was an admission by at least several of the posters who have been badmouthing Trump since he was last President that they just might have been wrong about him.  At least in some areas.

You know, those who said such things as

"Tumpy will not get the Christian vote en bloc. Guaranteed. "[he got 72%]

"There is nothing Conservative in Tumpy. Nothing.
To me he is the same thing as the left.

By what wild metric should I vote for that? Why should I vote for the opposite of my beliefs in service of my beliefs? That makes no sense at all."


Am disappointed, but not surprised.
I for one did not anticipate the degree of his preparation after  winning.  He assembled what I see is an outstanding team and is implementing his strategy.  And doing it rapidly and cutting out the deadwood.  Very little of what he has done is not conservative.

My only apprehension is that whatever he changes in D.C must be solidified by actual laws rather than EOs in order to last.  Consequently, he will need to have Congressional support and I do hope he is in the background sowing the seeds to make that happen.
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« Reply #15 on: February 14, 2025, 09:07:30 pm »
It's a good thing if congress follows up with laws solidifying these actions.

Neither you nor I thought he would come out swing to reduce the size and scope of the federal government like he has.

Hopefully this gives the Republicans something to run on for the midterms, because until we have more control over Congress,  Trump can't get everything accomplished.

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« Reply #16 on: February 14, 2025, 09:10:42 pm »
Well, I got on this thread as I had thought it was an admission by at least several of the posters who have been badmouthing Trump since he was last President that they just might have been wrong about him.  At least in some areas.

You know, those who said such things as

"Tumpy will not get the Christian vote en bloc. Guaranteed. "[he got 72%]

"There is nothing Conservative in Tumpy. Nothing.
To me he is the same thing as the left.

By what wild metric should I vote for that? Why should I vote for the opposite of my beliefs in service of my beliefs? That makes no sense at all."


Am disappointed, but not surprised.
I for one did not anticipate the degree of his preparation after  winning.  He assembled what I see is an outstanding team and is implementing his strategy.  And doing it rapidly and cutting out the deadwood.  Very little of what he has done is not conservative.

My only apprehension is that whatever he changes in D.C must be solidified by actual laws rather than EOs in order to last.  Consequently, he will need to have Congressional support and I do hope he is in the background sowing the seeds to make that happen.

 :beer:   tipping hat!!

It will happen!! 

I too, came to the thread hoping to see a line of NT's waiting to enter the confessional.

Didn't take long to see the usual suspects letting squirrels loose in our backyard.
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« Reply #17 on: February 14, 2025, 09:14:07 pm »
Hopefully this gives the Republicans something to run on for the midterms, because until we have more control over Congress,  Trump can't get everything accomplished.
The voters need to see and feel the difference by the Midterms. The Congress (at least the Pubbies) need to get with the program, too, and make solidifying CONTINUING to solidify the gains an election issue (as in don't wait, get the legislation in place).

Look for every possible form of sabotage in the meantime, and efforts to steal elections when they happen..
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« Reply #18 on: February 14, 2025, 09:27:22 pm »
25 days in. 25 days. President Trump’s pace has been breathtaking. EO’s are imperfect but he has shown a spotlight on the abuses like no other. The ‘roaches are frantic. I suspect he will put some teeth into his actions with a zero based budget proposal to Congress.

I voted for the man 3 times. The first time, I was not impressed by his style but I was terrified of Hillary. The second time, I desperately wanted him to win but had reservations. After the third, I pray for his safety and I am beginning to believe he is transformational.
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« Reply #19 on: February 14, 2025, 09:34:59 pm »
25 days in. 25 days. President Trump’s pace has been breathtaking. EO’s are imperfect but he has shown a spotlight on the abuses like no other. The ‘roaches are frantic. I suspect he will put some teeth into his actions with a zero based budget proposal to Congress.

I voted for the man 3 times. The first time, I was not impressed by his style but I was terrified of Hillary. The second time, I desperately wanted him to win but had reservations. After the third, I pray for his safety and I am beginning to believe he is transformational.

Trump has done his homework and I believe has methodically worked out how he plans on saving this country; certainly he has the people behind him.  The only thing truly standing in his way are DEM lunatics like Chuckie and McConnell.  They stand to lose what's been going into their pockets for years.

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« Reply #20 on: February 14, 2025, 10:01:37 pm »
Well, I got on this thread as I had thought it was an admission by at least several of the posters who have been badmouthing Trump since he was last President that they just might have been wrong about him.  At least in some areas.

You know, those who said such things as

"Tumpy will not get the Christian vote en bloc. Guaranteed. "[he got 72%]

"There is nothing Conservative in Tumpy. Nothing.
To me he is the same thing as the left.

By what wild metric should I vote for that? Why should I vote for the opposite of my beliefs in service of my beliefs? That makes no sense at all."


Am disappointed, but not surprised.
I for one did not anticipate the degree of his preparation after  winning.  He assembled what I see is an outstanding team and is implementing his strategy.  And doing it rapidly and cutting out the deadwood.  Very little of what he has done is not conservative.

My only apprehension is that whatever he changes in D.C must be solidified by actual laws rather than EOs in order to last.  Consequently, he will need to have Congressional support and I do hope he is in the background sowing the seeds to make that happen.

From what I can tell, getting Congressional support is going to be his biggest hurdle.  He has a razor thin majority in the House which could turn out to be problematic and he has the 3 amigos; McConnell, Murkowski and Collins still lurking in the Senate.  So, yes, it is a huge concern getting actual laws implemented rather than ruling by executive orders.  He has the remainder of this year to do so and then we'll be heading into campaigning for the mid terms, so time is of the essence. 

Trump had an objective to fulfill much of his agenda in his first 100 days and it is obvious that the DEMS are going to begin to wake up from the freight train that just ran over them.  They will come at him again with a greater vengeance than before.  I question whether or not Trump will put himself and his family through the wringer once again or simply step down and let JD run with it.  Vance has been very active so far, so it wouldn't at all  surprise me. Trump has already made history in a positive light  -- the man has survived against all odds in more ways than one.

Another critical point that I believe is absolutely imperative is getting the wall built. That needs to be accomplished before people go to vote in the mid terms.  Trump fails to make that happen with a full majority and I'd say that the GOP can kiss the mid terms good-bye.  Just my opinion.


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« Reply #21 on: February 14, 2025, 10:35:42 pm »
The Dems are fumbling right now.  They have zero leadership.  Let's face it, they had Biden, dead from the neck up, and then Harris, even dumber if that is possible.  And Schumer is a true putz.  But the total political incompetence for the Dems will not last forever.  At some point, they will find their posterior, perhaps with a flashlight.

The argument above is exactly right.  Everything done via EO will be subject to reversal, complete reversal with the election of the next Democommie.  Trump would do well to get Congress involved in what he is doing and get them on board.  You think the cowardly Republicans are on board?  I don't.

And unless I am mistaken, he got kicked in the teeth with the US AID BS.  Granted, discovering that fraud is magnificent.  The courts are not going to support his eliminating civil servants, folks with 3+ years of service.

It was announced today that the CDC will jettison 10% of its workforce.  Those of you that think that a good idea, you might just think again.  The people getting jettisoned are highly educated folks, hard to find.  The departments jammed to the rafters, like those working on HIV/AIDS with swelled budgets for a disease that is largely on maintenance are hardly being touched.  So, when the next major outbreak comes, and it will, the CDC will be that much further crippled to respond.

So, I do not think what he is doing is well thought out, and I know for fact they have not taken a thorough look at the block of work in each agency and determined what cuts make sense.

A bunch of computer geeks barely out of their teens are not the folks that should be examining each agency for proper cuts.  They are clueless, and mark my words, they are digging a hole for Trump.  I have done this type work my whole life, and there are many ways to approach streamlining operations, and I know this approach is the least successful long term. 

They may know how to find data that displays fraud, but they do not know how to determine what is the proper staffing for each agency.  What good is what they're doing if the next Democommie reverses it all?  And they will.  As a reminder, Biden undid almost everything Trump did but tariffs.

And Trump has not touched any of the intelligence agencies.  You want to save money in the government, start with the big line items.  Trump just terminated 10% of the CDC, and is talking about eliminating 1,000 positions in the IRS.  Biden just hired 84,000 to further harass Americans in the last year, and he is getting rid of 1,000 of the IRS.  That is a whopping 1% or LESS.  NOT IMPRESSED!!!!!!!!!!

With 2.4 million federal employees, and 7 million contractors excluding postal and military, why does he insist on attacking the employees and not touching the contractors, which are more costly?  Why?  And contractors are not subject to civil service protections.  No judge will stand in the way if he reduces contractors.  He would know this if he had people that know what they are doing, verses the teen geek squad.

And for those of you that believe the fed employees are not working, get rid of the contractors, save about$500 BILLION and put the employees to work.  The dead heads will leave because they will not be able to deal with the workload, and the savings, which is what I am focused on will be lasting, and not just during the years of Trump as POTUS.

All the court activity will actually slow his efforts down, which is what the Dems are hoping for.  I say avoid the drama, avoid the stinking courts, and produce results that stand the test of time.

And he is pissing everyone off, do you really think the Republicans are going to pass ONE, TWO, TEN pieces of legislation that Trump wants?  He should have done the legislation first, and had DOGE compile their findings and launched implementation after the legislation was completed.  Trump can terrorize the federal workforce, but he will not terrorize Congress.  They are real good at doing nothing!   And he cannot fire them like Putin has dealt with the Duma!

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« Reply #22 on: February 14, 2025, 10:36:07 pm »
Well, NO SHIT, SHERLOCK!!  It's just a chicken and egg thing going on.

Was wondering when you guys were going to crawl out from under your rocks.


Gee, I've been wondering the same thing about you.  Here is Trump doing EXACTLY what Conservatives said he needed to do - reduce government, starve the Swamp.  All the while YOU were telling us that doing so would be political suicide, that it was politically impossible to use Executive power to cut off funding.  What a short memory you have. 


If you had any sense you'd just say "I WAS WRONG ABOUT TRUMP" and STFU!

I am overjoyed that I was wrong about Trump.  And what about your sense?  What's your reaction to being wrong about Trump?  Because there is nothing you have said over the last 12 years that even remotely suggested he would do what he is doing now.  Trump is finally doing what we Conservatives always wanted him to do.  Maybe you're the one who should go back to lurk mode after telling us for years that government couldn't be cut back.  @DCPatriot
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« Reply #23 on: February 14, 2025, 10:47:25 pm »
Gee, I've been wondering the same thing about you.  Here is Trump doing EXACTLY what Conservatives said he needed to do - reduce government, starve the Swamp.  All the while YOU were telling us that doing so would be political suicide, that it was politically impossible to use Executive power to cut off funding.  What a short memory you have. 


I am overjoyed that I was wrong about Trump.  And what about your sense?  What's your reaction to being wrong about Trump?  Because there is nothing you have said over the last 12 years that even remotely suggested he would do what he is doing now.  Trump is finally doing what we Conservatives always wanted him to do.  Maybe you're the one who should go back to lurk mode after telling us for years that government couldn't be cut back.  @DCPatriot

And here you are...the biggest bullshitter of them all.

Yeah...I said that it would be impossible to cut spending for the welfare class because the media would devour him non-stop.

Never said anything about cutting waste and grift.

So stuff it.

You were wrong about President Trump.  You're a sad joke. Only several months ago you couldn't even commit to giving him your vote...one of the reasons being because RIV and I were his most ardent forum disciples.

Go back and play on your 'safe space' Ukraine war thread.


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« Reply #24 on: February 14, 2025, 10:51:44 pm »
Let's review.  Here was an exchange at the end of December.  @roamer_1 was on this thread, too.:



With the slimmest of margins in both Houses presently, President Trump has his eyes on the 2026 Mid-Term elections...doesn't want to be politically castrated...which historically has been the norm in my lifetime![/size]

We are already being castrated by deficit spending.  How do you think Kamala Harris ended up with $1.5 billion in a matter of a few weeks?  It all came from the federal government.  Planned Parenthood alone received $2 billion in taxpayer money during Biden's term.  What do you think they did with that money?

The ONLY path to victory is to put an end to spending money we don't have.  Otherwise, this nation ends up on the ash heap of history just like the Roman Empire who couldn't manage their budget either.

Your solutions only work/apply with an informed voter populace AND an objective, non-partisan media.

Just plain wrong to expect voters to swallow any 'Castor Oil' in terms of program cuts and still have them embrace the GOP solution you're advancing when they enter the voting booths.


Here is what I said back then.  It still applies:

The election is over.  But your continued embracement of the status quo is duly noted.  You gave this same excuse as a defense for $2 trillion deficits before the election.  And now you're already projecting to the next one.  We are not on the same side here.  I recognize deficit spending as this nation's greatest threat, while you consider spending cuts to be your own greatest threat.

It's a good thing that Trump is doing what we wanted him to do instead of what you said he should do, @DCPatriot
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