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Re: I Was Wrong About Trump
« Reply #150 on: February 22, 2025, 01:28:13 pm »
If it's only Monopoly money, then it shouldn't matter if someone stole it.  Either the money matters, or it does not.

I know the Conservative answer to this.  But that's not the answer we're getting from the Democrat-lite zealots.
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« Reply #151 on: February 22, 2025, 01:28:58 pm »
IMO, the $37 TRILLION debt will NEVER be repaid. NEVER...NEVER...NEVER!!!  It's an abstract!

Then again, why do you care?
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Re: I Was Wrong About Trump
« Reply #152 on: February 22, 2025, 01:31:10 pm »
Russian state media says that Trump is Putin's poodle.

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« Reply #153 on: February 22, 2025, 01:34:15 pm »
Hold your horses there, son. Exposed, perhaps. But nobody's been convicted. No fines paid. Probably, nobody's even been fired yet!

But here you go, shakin your ass around like something actually happened. Touchdown Dance! WOO!

*NOTHING* has happened. It's just said to have happened. But you believe the press, doncha?

@roamer_1  Trump has been in office only one month and a few days.  Yet, you are going to already judge him?  Most incoming presidents are just getting situated and getting there cabinet together.  He has dismantled several frivolous departments and found lots of wasteful spending (still on-going investigations) savings a couple of trillion dollars. Yes the left is trying to stop him in court.  I look for the SCOTUS needing to rule and also they're going to have to rule on birthright citizenship -- how they rule is in their hands -- not Trump's.  Keep that in mind.

The DEMS have delayed hearings and confirmations for a reason; with Patel head of the FBI being the most recent. They see and know what's on the horizon.  With Bondi the new AG confirmed and now Patel head of the FBI just confirmed, the Trump administration can now get to work on prosecuting people, not only for the $$$ that has been unaccounted for, but for other corruption(s) as well.

I'm going to wait till the 6 month mark to see what this picture looks then, along with the country's economic situation and border wall progress before I start to pass judgement.

IMHO it's way to early to assess what's going on as Trump's is working diligently and expeditiously to right our ship.

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« Reply #154 on: February 22, 2025, 01:35:08 pm »


The "Daily Star" .... now that's a credible publication ... tabloid news.  :whistle:

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« Reply #155 on: February 22, 2025, 01:37:07 pm »
Russian state media says that Trump is Putin's poodle.

https://youtu.be/QWbtUcVPw8g?si=oXvgEmK9Ib3SX80o

Who cares what the 'Russian' media prints??  Do you honestly think that they're not going to print nice things about Putin?  Really?

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« Reply #156 on: February 22, 2025, 01:50:51 pm »
Who cares what the 'Russian' media prints??  Do you honestly think that they're not going to print nice things about Putin?  Really?

Yet you're upset about what you believe Zelenskiy said (without actual proof that he said it).  While at the same time giving Putin a pass for mocking Trump for his felony indictments and posting risque pictures of Melania after the election.

Keep in mind, your side started this by dissing Zelenskiy according to what was being reported in the media.
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Re: I Was Wrong About Trump
« Reply #157 on: February 22, 2025, 02:10:50 pm »
Yet you're upset about what you believe Zelenskiy said (without actual proof that he said it).  While at the same time giving Putin a pass for mocking Trump for his felony indictments and posting risque pictures of Melania after the election.

Keep in mind, your side started this by dissing Zelenskiy according to what was being reported in the media.

My side???  Let me make something perfectly clear; I am not siding with either Zelenskyy or Putin --- both in my OPINION are corrupt and not trustworthy.  I have no side.  The number of casualties and destruction in this war sickens me. 

The amount of $$$ that was made off of this war is equally disgusting.


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Re: I Was Wrong About Trump
« Reply #158 on: February 22, 2025, 02:13:45 pm »
My side???  Let me make something perfectly clear; I am not siding with either Zelenskyy or Putin --- both in my OPINION are corrupt and not trustworthy.  I have no side.  The number of casualties and destruction in this war sickens me. 

The amount of $$$ that was made off of this war is equally disgusting.

 :bingo: We have a winner here ladies and gentlemen!
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Re: I Was Wrong About Trump
« Reply #159 on: February 22, 2025, 02:16:55 pm »
Certainly looks that way. Exposing fraud don't mean sh*t. You choose to believe, so you DO believe.

I don't believe the report on purpose... Because nothing is to be believed until the receipts are in hand. PERIOD. That ain't against Tumpy btw. That's against ALL the sonsabiches.

Like I said - The bottom line. If this crap actually makes it to the bottom line, THEN credit is due. Broad strokes such as these surely will reduce the cost of government, RIGHT?
Then they should be rendered TRUE when the bill comes due.

THEN I will believe. Not until. This is how they drag all y'all around by the nose. Drama, Drama, Drama. Panic. Fear. and by next week, you'll forget this and be on to the next dramatic flair... with the impression that something actually happened... But nothing so far. Just a promise and piss in your pocket. But BIG Sh*tNStuff!!! BIGLY!!!  :laugh:

Show me the money.

Baloney....  I am about as radical of an ultra right winger as it gets.  So just who do you freakin' want to right the ship?   Let's see...who are the most conservative politicians that we have?  Cruz? RDS?  maybe others?   Give me a name, who has even remotely promised or even discussed the level of dismantling of Fedzilla that Donald Trump already has.   I'll patiently wait for your reply.
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Re: I Was Wrong About Trump
« Reply #160 on: February 22, 2025, 02:20:13 pm »
:bingo: We have a winner here ladies and gentlemen!

same sentiment.  They are both sleazy and crooked.

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« Reply #161 on: February 22, 2025, 02:30:47 pm »
Yep.  I want to see unspent money sitting in the Treasury at the end of the fiscal year.  And I want to see a spending freeze implemented the last week in August to block that annual flurry of spending those final weeks.
sitting in the Treasury?

Why not pay off debt with that money rather than adding to Fort Knox's stash?

Consistency is important in speaking, and at one time that is what you wanted to do with that money.

Have you now changed your mind?
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« Reply #162 on: February 22, 2025, 02:37:07 pm »
sitting in the Treasury?

Why not pay off debt with that money rather than adding to Fort Knox's stash?

Consistency is important in speaking, and at one time that is what you wanted to do with that money.

Have you now changed your mind?

I believe he's saying he wants to see actual documented savings before anything goes anywhere. Too many decades of smoke and mirrors.

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« Reply #163 on: February 22, 2025, 02:40:16 pm »
Baloney....  I am about as radical of an ultra right winger as it gets.  So just who do you freakin' want to right the ship?   Let's see...who are the most conservative politicians that we have?  Cruz? RDS?  maybe others?   Give me a name, who has even remotely promised or even discussed the level of dismantling of Fedzilla that Donald Trump already has.   I'll patiently wait for your reply.
You won't get one, as anyone named will never get into that job.

There are those who espouse idealism but, like Rush used to say, real conservatives live in the real world
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« Reply #164 on: February 22, 2025, 02:41:58 pm »
I believe he's saying he wants to see actual documented savings before anything goes anywhere. Too many decades of smoke and mirrors.
Maybe, but he made a bid damn deal about every penny of cost savings needed to go toward reducing debt, not sitting around anywhere.
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Re: I Was Wrong About Trump
« Reply #165 on: February 22, 2025, 03:47:40 pm »
Baloney....  I am about as radical of an ultra right winger as it gets.  So just who do you freakin' want to right the ship?   Let's see...who are the most conservative politicians that we have?  Cruz? RDS?  maybe others?   Give me a name, who has even remotely promised or even discussed the level of dismantling of Fedzilla that Donald Trump already has.   I'll patiently wait for your reply.

I would vote for DeSantis all day long. He has the receipts in Florida. He's already done it for realz. in LAW.

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« Reply #166 on: February 22, 2025, 04:21:02 pm »
I would vote for DeSantis all day long. He has the receipts in Florida. He's already done it for realz. in LAW.

It is unfortunate that DeSantis wasn't nominated or seated.  Again, Trump has only been in office a few days over a month -- patience, hope and prayer.

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« Reply #167 on: February 22, 2025, 04:26:02 pm »
It is unfortunate that DeSantis wasn't nominated or seated.  Again, Trump has only been in office a few days over a month -- patience, hope and prayer.

@roamer_1

I was a huge RDS supporter, but I seriously doubt if he was elected, he'd be taking the wrecking ball to Fedzilla with the speed and zeal that Trump/Musk/DOGE is.

As much as i like him, he is a dye in the wool color within lines kind of guy.  Where we need more of a bull in a china shop right now
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Re: I Was Wrong About Trump
« Reply #168 on: February 22, 2025, 04:34:09 pm »
@roamer_1

I was a huge RDS supporter, but I seriously doubt if he was elected, he'd be taking the wrecking ball to Fedzilla with the speed and zeal that Trump/Musk/DOGE is.

As much as i like him, he is a dye in the wool color within lines kind of guy.  Where we need more of a bull in a china shop right now

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Re: I Was Wrong About Trump
« Reply #169 on: February 22, 2025, 04:39:51 pm »
sitting in the Treasury?

Why not pay off debt with that money rather than adding to Fort Knox's stash?

Consistency is important in speaking, and at one time that is what you wanted to do with that money.

Have you now changed your mind?

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No, I haven't changed my mind at all.  Perhaps you missed my earlier comments of renting out a stadium, stacking up $2 trillion in cash in the middle of the field, and setting it on fire.

My comment about money remaining in the Treasury at the end of the year is the only means we have of paying off debt.  If the Treasury is empty, then that means we will have spent all $6.8 trillion that was allocated by Congress.  But if there's money left over, then that's money we can use to retire debt.

Keep in mind though that this fiscal year alone includes $2 trillion of new debt.  But this debt is special in that it came from the Fed from dollars that did not exist.  So to make things right (for this year alone), $2 trillion needs to be taken out of circulation.  Which is why we there needs to be $2 trillion left in the Treasury at the end of the year - so that we can retire that debt.

By burning that money, the price of everything will fall since there will be less dollars chasing the same amount of goods.  And that increases the standard of living of everyone.

What I do NOT want to see is Elon's savings being spent on other things.  This saved money should still be sitting in the Treasury, unspent, when the fiscal year ends.
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Re: I Was Wrong About Trump
« Reply #170 on: February 22, 2025, 04:48:53 pm »
Who cares what the 'Russian' media prints??  Do you honestly think that they're not going to print nice things about Putin?  Really?

Russian state media is Putin's mouthpiece. They only say what he permits them to say.
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« Reply #171 on: February 22, 2025, 05:03:52 pm »
@roamer_1

I was a huge RDS supporter, but I seriously doubt if he was elected, he'd be taking the wrecking ball to Fedzilla with the speed and zeal that Trump/Musk/DOGE is.

As much as i like him, he is a dye in the wool color within lines kind of guy.  Where we need more of a bull in a china shop right now

Except that ain't what's happening. It's all bullshit.

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« Reply #172 on: February 22, 2025, 05:09:24 pm »
By burning that money, the price of everything will fall since there will be less dollars chasing the same amount of goods.  And that increases the standard of living of everyone.

What I do NOT want to see is Elon's savings being spent on other things.  This saved money should still be sitting in the Treasury, unspent, when the fiscal year ends.

You get it. Three beers for you.  :beer: :beer: :beer:

But i don't think these savings will retire into the general fund. I think it just goes to the root of the department funds, and each department gets a stab at spending it somehow.

I know damn well it ain't cut and dried. Heck, most of it will go through court adjudication before anything else. That's why all this whoopin and hollerin is so unseemly.
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Re: I Was Wrong About Trump
« Reply #173 on: February 22, 2025, 05:09:54 pm »
@roamer_1

I was a huge RDS supporter, but I seriously doubt if he was elected, he'd be taking the wrecking ball to Fedzilla with the speed and zeal that Trump/Musk/DOGE is.

As much as i like him, he is a dye in the wool color within lines kind of guy.  Where we need more of a bull in a china shop right now

Agreed and as stated before; it's way too early to start making blanket assessments on a President that's only been in office for a little over a month. 

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« Reply #174 on: February 22, 2025, 05:10:57 pm »
Agreed and as stated before; it's way too early to start making blanket assessments on a President that's only been in office for a little over a month.

No it ain't... He's got 4 years of record to rely upon.