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General Category => Politics/Government => Topic started by: Chosen Daughter on December 16, 2018, 07:00:37 am
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The Biggest Losers of Trump’s Presidency: His Voters
His incompetence and incoherence guarantees that he'll be a one-term president.
By Robert W. Merry • December 13, 2018
The saddest victims of Donald Trump’s 2016 presidential victory, it now seems clear, are going to be his voters. The greatest beneficiaries of that election are going to be his haters.
This political paradox stems from the seeming inevitability of this president leaving his constituency high and dry through political incompetence, behavioral incontinence, an inability to maintain a focus on anything, and an incapacity to think or act coherently. His presidency so far has been characterized by political failure, and it’s going to get worse before the end of his term, by which point the voters will have expelled him from the White House.
That will be bad news for those who voted for Trump in 2016. They correctly saw in him an unconventional politician willing to talk about national problems that the country’s ruling classes wanted to ignore or finesse. Trump put forth a distinct political outlook that couldn’t be found anywhere else within either party (although Bernie Sanders also offered an unconventional narrative of the American plight).
Trump’s great political feat was that he opened up a new fault line in politics: the elites of the coasts versus the heartland masses; the globalist upper crust versus the nationalist middle; anti-working class liberalism versus conservative populism. In truth, this fault line was already there, roiling American politics just beneath the surface. But Trump had the instincts to see what just about everyone else missed—that these subterranean angers could be pulled up and harnessed into an electoral coalition that could win the White House.
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-biggest-losers-of-trumps-presidency-his-voters/ (https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-biggest-losers-of-trumps-presidency-his-voters/)
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Everything looks great. Promises kept and all that. I'll check in again next week.
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The Biggest Losers of Trump’s Presidency: His Voters
His incompetence and incoherence guarantees that he'll be a one-term president.
By Robert W. Merry • December 13, 2018
The saddest victims of Donald Trump’s 2016 presidential victory, it now seems clear, are going to be his voters. The greatest beneficiaries of that election are going to be his haters.
@Chosen Daughter
You just keep telling yourselves that as you worship at your Bush shrines.
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A lot will depend on what happens with all these investigations into alleged wrongdoing, but if Trump is not removed from office -- I think he still has enough believers who could ensure a second term. Many of them still support him and will do so with their dying breath. They live in their own world, oblivious to Trump's failure to achieve, or even begin to achieve, the goals he said he wanted to reach. Yesterday, I read yet again a list of Trump's supposed accomplishments. Many supporters will go so far as to invent his "achievements" out of thin air.
Although I did not vote for Trump, I had hope that perhaps he would prove me wrong and, along with congress, achieve all the things Republicans promised for so long. But when he started slamming his own party and acting as god on high, I knew this presidency was going to be another reality tv series. Coming up on three years into the Trump presidency and all we have so far is a tax tweak -- not the reform we were promised. Instead of working with congress to achieve their supposed mutual goals, Trump has fought with the majority party and blamed it and everyone else for his failures.
But his supporters just don't see the reality of this presidency. They elected the guy who talked their language and told them what they wanted to hear. They will never admit that they were suckered by a flim-flam man. They will follow him to the gates of hell. Those of us who are not enamored by Trump can see he is sending this country hurling into the abyss and a second term will ensure the destruction of America as we know it. It saddens me that there is really nothing we can do to prevent it.
@Applewood
Don't worry,you and your claven will still be able to vote for the Hillary/Bernie ticket in 2020,and make the world safe for clones and other cult members.
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Yet Rasmussen still has Trump at 48% approval.
They may still succeed in driving that figure down with the relentless attacks, but his support has proven stubbornly intractable.
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Pete, you really need some new material. Your endlessly repetitive accusations reached the sell by date ages ago. They are stale.
@Applewood
I know this has to be explained over and over to ignorant people like Dims and Bush-Bots,but the truth doesn't change or get stale.
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Yet Rasmussen still has Trump at 48% approval.
They may still succeed in driving that figure down with the relentless attacks, but his support has proven stubbornly intractable.
@skeeter
And they are going to get shriller as they get more desperate. 2019 is going to be a nightmare of lies,shrieks,and moans.
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Yet Rasmussen still has Trump at 48% approval.
They may still succeed in driving that figure down with the relentless attacks, but his support has proven stubbornly intractable.
...much to their dismay. :laugh:
They haven't learned anything from the 2016 primary season. One man destroyed the hopes and dreams of 16 other wannabes and at the same time gave 63 Million American voters new hopes and dreams.
That 63 million number has undoubtedly risen.
In the meantime, they're offering an idea that Joe Biden is...what? A possible 'giant killer'? ROFL!
There is nobody in the Democrat party that can beat him. N.O.B.O.D.Y.
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Another conservative's wet dream. And conservatives wonder why they can't get traction ..... :laugh:
Merry Christmas! 8888mistltoe
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@skeeter
And they are going to get shriller as they get more desperate. 2019 is going to be a nightmare of lies,shrieks,and moans.
I support Trump. But if I didn't I hope I would be perceptive enough to realize that there's no going back to the days where Bush & Dole ran the party. There just aren't enough voters in that demographic anymore.
If its not Trump it'll be somebody else the GOPe hates, or it'll be a democrat.
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Trump voters will see their hopes of a new direction for America trampled and thwarted.
Well, if that happens, we'll know and remember conservatives were the tip of the spear against the President.
It's really in the interests of conservatives to support the President --- that is if they want to survive these next six years as more than a fringe preacher group. But this degree of critical thinking apparently isn't in the conservative wheelhouse. The only thing they have is hate. :shrug:
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If its not Trump it'll be somebody else the GOPe hates, or it'll be a democrat.
@skeeter
Thanks for pointing out what SHOULD be obvious to everyone,but isn't. Which is the fact the GOPe doesn't hate Dims because Dims are their allies. They only hate ACTUAL Republicans.
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Well, if that happens, we'll know and remember conservatives were the tip of the spear against the President.
It's really in the interests of conservatives to support the President --- that is if they want to survive these next six years as more than a fringe preacher group. But this degree of critical thinking apparently isn't in the conservative wheelhouse. The only thing they have is hate. :shrug:
@Right_in_Virginia
Those people are NOT "conservatives". They are Party Pod People who are globalists.
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This political paradox stems from the seeming inevitability of this president leaving his constituency high and dry through political incompetence, behavioral incontinence, an inability to maintain a focus on anything, and an incapacity to think or act coherently. His presidency so far has been characterized by political failure, and it’s going to get worse before the end of his term, by which point the voters will have expelled him from the White House.
This is absurd. We have two conservative justices and tax reform. I agree that Trump's style leaves a lot to be desired. But he has gotten some things done, including things (like tariffs) that I do not personally support.
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His Administration, thus far, has proved us NT'ers right all along he had TOO MUCH BAGGAGE to Govern effectively.
How much energy and time is spent on these multiple scandals?
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The Biggest Losers of Trump’s Presidency: His Voters
So true.
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His Administration, thus far, has proved us NT'ers right all along he had TOO MUCH BAGGAGE to Govern effectively.
How much energy and time is spent on these multiple scandals?
Yep. And it will be so until the end of his encumbered presidency.
That's why character always matters.
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This political paradox stems from the seeming inevitability of this president leaving his constituency high and dry through political incompetence, behavioral incontinence, an inability to maintain a focus on anything, and an incapacity to think or act coherently. His presidency so far has been characterized by political failure, and it’s going to get worse before the end of his term, by which point the voters will have expelled him from the White House.
This is absurd. We have two conservative justices and tax reform. I agree that Trump's style leaves a lot to be desired. But he has gotten some things done, including things (like tariffs) that I do not personally support.
Exactly. What is it with these pissy, pearl clutching princesses? I'm sorry Trump isn't classy enough for the debutante ball, but no one really gives a crap about the little society club stuff anyway.
Most normal non-snitty people want someone who gets things done.
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The biggest losers of the Trump's presidency : the new world order crowd. And a damn good reason to stick with him.
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Exactly. What is it with these pissy, pearl clutching princesses? I'm sorry Trump isn't classy enough for the debutante ball, but no one really gives a crap about the little society club stuff anyway.
Most normal non-snitty people want someone who gets things done.
Hmmm................. what a strange thing to say. Since when is honor, honesty, character and morality "little society club stuff?"
Your comment serves as an illustration of how far down this country has descended in the past few decades.
Character DOES matter. Not just "getting stuff done."
That is an ageless principle, though clearly not a populist, post-modern principle where apparently "getting things done" trumps everything else.
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Hmmm................. what a strange thing to say. Since when is honor, honesty, character and morality "little society club stuff?"
Your comment serves as an illustration of how far down this country has descended in the past few decades.
Character DOES matter. Not just "getting stuff done."
That is an ageless principle, though clearly not a populist, post-modern principle where apparently "getting things done" trumps everything else.
You mean like the stained glass, high-minded, SJW intersectional political correctness like the libs project?
The 'compassionate conservatism' that is simply nothing but let everybody come in and suck on the teat, but have a strong military and give great speeches?
You can be as above reproach, high minded, sonorous and stained glass in composure, eloquent in every word, and still not accomplish a damn thing.
This is the problem with many of the NT'ers - they are so enraptured by soaring rhetoric that they are completely incapable of having the grit and tenacity it takes to move the ball under our Constitutional system.
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888high58888
Sorry... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ui_Q4qBDJY&ab_channel=3DoorsDownVEVO#)
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Sorry... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2qIXXafxCQ#)
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You mean like the stained glass, high-minded, SJW intersectional political correctness like the libs project?
The 'compassionate conservatism' that is simply nothing but let everybody come in and suck on the teat, but have a strong military and give great speeches?
You can be as above reproach, high minded, sonorous and stained glass in composure, eloquent in every word, and still not accomplish a damn thing.
This is the problem with many of the NT'ers - they are so enraptured by soaring rhetoric that they are completely incapable of having the grit and tenacity it takes to move the ball under our Constitutional system.
I'm talking about the Founding Fathers who formed this country based on God's laws.
What the heck are you talking about?
Your statement reveals post-modern populism with no ballast. No mooring.
Go ahead and make fun of all of us who still believe in absolutes. It doesn't matter, because absolutes are........ well............ absolute. :patriot:
(And we don't stop believing in absolute truth because of mockery).
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I'm talking about the Founding Fathers who formed this country based on God's laws.
What the heck are you talking about?
Your statement reveals post-modern populism with no ballast. No mooring.
Go ahead and make fun of all of us who still believe in absolutes. It doesn't matter, because absolutes are........ well............ absolute. :patriot:
(And we don't stop believing in absolute truth because of mockery).
You might want to go back in history with an unvarnished view, absent the hero worshipping. The Founders were by and large eloquent, but also head busters and knee cappers that to it to the opposition with a club, and sometimes, a duel.
That's the problem with the NT'ers - they've carried out a complete history revision and emasculated our Founders, while decrying anyone a bit rough or crude or direct as 'populists.'
They complain about the other side is removing the civility in our society while they remove any fortitude to achieve results.
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You might want to go back in history with an unvarnished view, absent the hero worshipping. The Founders were by and large eloquent, but also head busters and knee cappers that to it to the opposition with a club, and sometimes, a duel.
That's the problem with the NT'ers - they've carried out a complete history revision and emasculated our Founders, while decrying anyone a bit rough or crude or direct as 'populists.'
They complain about the other side is removing the civility in our society while they remove any fortitude to achieve results.
:thumbsup:
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You mean like the stained glass, high-minded, SJW intersectional political correctness like the libs project?
The 'compassionate conservatism' that is simply nothing but let everybody come in and suck on the teat, but have a strong military and give great speeches?
You can be as above reproach, high minded, sonorous and stained glass in composure, eloquent in every word, and still not accomplish a damn thing.
This is the problem with many of the NT'ers - they are so enraptured by soaring rhetoric that they are completely incapable of having the grit and tenacity it takes to move the ball under our Constitutional system.
No, no, no, with those folks it’s all or nothing at all.
It’s imperative constitutional conservatives speak up in support President Trump and take every opportunity to expose the media lies and partisan political attacks. Instead they damn him with faint praise and often join the chorus of hate, suspicion and innuendo.
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You might want to go back in history with an unvarnished view, absent the hero worshipping. The Founders were by and large eloquent, but also head busters and knee cappers that to it to the opposition with a club, and sometimes, a duel.
That's the problem with the NT'ers - they've carried out a complete history revision and emasculated our Founders, while decrying anyone a bit rough or crude or direct as 'populists.'
They complain about the other side is removing the civility in our society while they remove any fortitude to achieve results.
You’re on a roll. Excellent point!
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Exactly. What is it with these pissy, pearl clutching princesses? I'm sorry Trump isn't classy enough for the debutante ball, but no one really gives a crap about the little society club stuff anyway.
@Free Vulcan
Nah,they are just Church Ladies. If Trump would thump his Bible and pretend to be devout on Sunday,they would eat him up. There would be "A Day in the Life of The Donald" threads posted daily,with them whimpering about how hot he is,and how lovely Ivanka is.
IOW, "Pod People".
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The biggest losers of the Trump's presidency : the new world order crowd. And a damn good reason to stick with him.
888high58888
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A pox on all your damn houses.
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I'm talking about the Founding Fathers who formed this country based on God's laws.
@musiclady
I am sure you have been programmed to believe that,but it just ain't true. Freedom of and FROM relgion is why many of them came here to start with. It's loons like you that want to bring back the church tribunals. All because you have convinced yourself that no matter how evil you are at your core,that is your ticket to heaven and life forever.
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@Free Vulcan
Nah,they are just Church Ladies. If Trump would thump his Bible and pretend to be devout on Sunday,they would eat him up. There would be "A Day in the Life of The Donald" threads posted daily,with them whimpering about how hot he is,and how lovely Ivanka is.
IOW, "Pod People".
I thought Trump did this to win over the Evangelicals during the primaries @sneakypete I vaguely remember '2 Corinthians'.
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I thought Trump did this to win over the Evangelicals during the primaries @sneakypete I vaguely remember '2 Corinthians'.
(https://whowhatwhy.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/3332.jpg)
@corbe
And yall ate it UP!
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@Chosen Daughter
You just keep telling yourselves that as you worship at your Bush shrines.
Tell me about it. All the jackasses who worshiped the death of a one term loser President, who was both corrupt and openly lied about taxes, is all over Trumps shit. Eff them and the broke down nag they rode in on.
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@corbe
And yall ate it UP!
I'm not an Evangelical @sneakypete nor am I a vegetarian but I certainly don't dine on Trump Red Meat.
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I'm not an Evangelical @sneakypete nor am I a vegetarian but I certainly don't dine on Trump Red Meat.
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@musiclady
I am sure you have been programmed to believe that,but it just ain't true. Freedom of and FROM relgion is why many of them came here to start with. It's loons like you that want to bring back the church tribunals. All because you have convinced yourself that no matter how evil you are at your core,that is your ticket to heaven and life forever.
Pete, you've been mocking, deriding me and sneering for 17 years, and your lies and imaginary world view haven't changed my belief in absolute truth one iota, nor the Founding Father's understanding of the importance of moral living and the innate sinfulness of man.
I haven't convinced myself of anything, but you have clearly convinced yourself that you are smarter than the God who created you.....
So who's the one with reality issues, eh??
btw, amusing to see how much of a Bot you are for Trump. I laugh every time I see one of your posts. Keep it up! happy77
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Pete, you've been mocking, deriding me and sneering for 17 years....
So you two are married?
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Exactly. What is it with these pissy, pearl clutching princesses? I'm sorry Trump isn't classy enough for the debutante ball, but no one really gives a crap about the little society club stuff anyway.
Most normal non-snitty people want someone who gets things done.
Like the wall? How’s that going?
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So you two are married?
@Frank Cannon You bastard.
How the hell am I gonna get this bloody mary stain out of my Dallas Cowboys jersey?
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Like the wall? How’s that going?
Ask Mitch and Paul Ryan, the legislative leaders of the other branch of our Separate But Equal govt.
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It truly amazes me that judgement is being passed without the President even finishing his second year of his first term and people are ignoring the accomplishments. Has he accomplished everything he has promised in less than 2 years? No. Does he have an uphill battle with the new House? Absolutely. The situation would have been worse had Trump not gone out and campaigned.
@Chosen Daughter while I too am very concerned with the character of the man, his morality issues AND our open borders and still no wall, try to recognize the fact that WE have 535 members of Congress that ARE responsible for no wall. He is the President but he still has to go through Congress. He just recently signed a new bill on making asylum more difficult yet it was challenged in court and overruled.
So ... what would you like him to do?? He could order the military as he has stated to build the wall, but first off, does he have the authority (some say definitely not) and do you honestly think that his actions wouldn't be challenged in court?
SCOTUS just recently refused to hear a case regarding Medicaid and Planned Parenthood. Would they even hear the case if it went all the way to their court?
I am as frustrated as you are on this issue and just as afraid of losing our sovereignty as you are, but I believe blame needs to be put where its deserved. Yes Pres. Trump is not without blame, but IMHO that blame sits more with the 535 members of our do-nothing House and Senate and especially with the FAILED leadership of Lyin' Ryan.
IF not DJT in 2020 then whom? Mueller and the left will interrogate whoever is the GOP nominee as well and they will also be falsely accused of God only knows what. That's their new normal along with influencing and cheating on the elections. That's not speculation, that's reality. They got caught with their hands in the cookie jar more than once and no one has been held responsible.
Like I stated before, the Pres. IS all we have left standing between the left and the rest of us. That is reality. Either you can stand with him or side with the letftists and join them in the destruction of this President who I think has done a heck of a lot more than I expected despite all the crappola thrown at him.
IF Trump goes down the biggest losers will be Americans. AMERICA. What will WE do without her??
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So ... what would you like him to do?? He could order the military as he has stated to build the wall, but first off, does he have the authority (some say definitely not) and do you honestly think that his actions wouldn't be challenged in court?
And that's the point. If he acts, he's a dictator. If he doesn't, he's broken his promises.
But be sure, the NT'ers and #Resistance will blame him either way, because they oppose him on ideological grounds that reflect more on them than him.
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And that's the point. If he acts, he's a dictator. If he doesn't, he's broken his promises.
But be sure, the NT'ers and #Resistance will blame him either way, because they oppose him on ideological grounds that reflect more on them than him.
Exactly. It is going to take ALL conservatives standing behind him in order for him to succeed. Including members of his own party in Congress. Only then will the leftist agenda be defeated.
Imagine millions of courageous conservatives rising up to reignite the promise of America!!
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Exactly. It is going to take ALL conservatives standing behind him in order for him to succeed. Including members of his own party in Congress. Only then will the leftist agenda be defeated.
Imagine millions of courageous conservatives rising up to reignite the promise of America!!
I would certainly expect the majority of Conservatives to rise up if the dems try to impeach 45 on bogus charges, I know I would.
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Pete, you've been mocking, deriding me and sneering for 17 years, and your lies and imaginary world view haven't changed my belief in absolute truth one iota, nor the Founding Father's understanding of the importance of moral living and the innate sinfulness of man.
YOU are the liar,and wouldn't recognize the truth if it bit you on your ass,which could be anywhere.
I haven't convinced myself of anything, but you have clearly convinced yourself that you are smarter than the God who created you.....
I guess we all know who the liar is now.
So who's the one with reality issues, eh??
People that worship an imaginary spook.
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So you two are married?
@Frank Cannon
No. If we were,I would still be drinking,and almost as delusional as her.
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@Right_in_Virginia
Those people are NOT "conservatives". They are Party Pod People who are globalists.
Damn difficult to tell the difference @sneakypete
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It truly amazes me that judgement is being passed without the President even finishing his second year of his first term and people are ignoring the accomplishments.
The Pod People HAVE to whine about Trump because if they were to acknowledge what he HAS accomplished in less than two years,they would be forced to admit it was more positive pro-American things than the combined terms of two Bush Crime Family presidents.
All that without invading a single foreign country to please the Corporate Communists that control the Congressional puppet strings.
@Chosen Daughter while I too am very concerned with the character of the man, his morality issues AND our open borders and still no wall, try to recognize the fact that WE have 535 members of Congress that ARE responsible for no wall. He is the President but he still has to go through Congress. He just recently signed a new bill on making asylum more difficult yet it was challenged in court and overruled.
False Flag issue. She just whines about "No Wall" because it's all she has and she wants to be bitchy. The truth is she would be horrified if the wall were already built,and be bitching about it.
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Ask Mitch and Paul Ryan, the legislative leaders of the other branch of our Separate But Equal govt.
No. Sorry. Trumpie-bear promised us a big, beautiful wall. And he promised that his negotiation skills were second to none.
If he can’t get the wall, that’s all on him.
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@musiclady
I am sure you have been programmed to believe that,but it just ain't true. Freedom of and FROM relgion is why many of them came here to start with. It's loons like you that want to bring back the church tribunals. All because you have convinced yourself that no matter how evil you are at your core,that is your ticket to heaven and life forever.
This country was founded upon Christian principles and values period. Taxes anyone? Perhaps one also needs to look at modern day France.
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Though a moderator report was not filed @sneakypete please refrain from calling other members a liar. Thank you.
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This country was founded upon Christian principles and values period. Taxes anyone? Perhaps one also needs to look at modern day France.
No, actually, it wasn’t. The Founders may have been Christian, but they went out of their way to build this county upon nonsectarian principles that, they believed, all reasonable people would agree to no matter their religion (or lack thereof).
Ask Thomas Jefferson, to start with.
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Though a moderator report was not filed @sneakypete please refrain from calling other members a liar. Thank you.
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If you will go back and check,you will see that I was responding to a poster that called me a liar.
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The Pod People HAVE to whine about Trump because if they were to acknowledge what he HAS accomplished in less than two years,they would be forced to admit it was more positive pro-American things than the combined terms of two Bush Crime Family presidents.
All that without invading a single foreign country to please the Corporate Communists that control the Congressional puppet strings.
False Flag issue. She just whines about "No Wall" because it's all she has and she wants to be bitchy. The truth is she would be horrified if the wall were already built,and be bitching about it.
@sneakypete I happen to respect @Chosen Daughter as a member of this forum and I consider her a friend. She has a difference of opinion (which she is entitled to) and I honestly believe she would be absolutely elated if the wall was built.
She has made some valid points though, if as much of the wall was built as Trump has declared, the number of caravans and illegal crossings would be down. IMHO does that make him a bad President? No.
I was merely trying to point out that we also have 535 members of Congress who ARE also responsible.
I stand with President Trump and I am appalled at what the left has thrown at him....no need to state further what I've already said.
Peace.
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No. Sorry. Trumpie-bear promised us a big, beautiful wall. And he promised that his negotiation skills were second to none.
If he can’t get the wall, that’s all on him.
Ok ... you can lay the entire blame on him. IMHO that only feeds the monsters on the left. They want this division among the GOP voting base. Right now (other than election fraud) that's their only chance of winning.
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No, actually, it wasn’t. The Founders may have been Christian, but they went out of their way to build this county upon nonsectarian principles that, they believed, all reasonable people would agree to no matter their religion (or lack thereof).
Ask Thomas Jefferson, to start with.
@Oceander
888high58888
In addition,not all of them were Christians. Even the ones that called themselves Christians were not always actual Christians. They had to call themselves that and play that game in order to do business back then. It was either than or be shunned as a follower of Satan. Mostly because the European countries the FF came from where all religion police states.
Except for the Jews,of course. They were also Jews in Europe,but they had been outsiders for 1,000+ years and had adapted to the system by working the fields they were allowed to work,and sticking together. An assumed Christian that made a public announcement that he didn't believe in God was going to starve to death by himself.
Social custom back them made it mandatory for people to start out letters with headings like "In the year of Our Lord 16xx".
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I stand corrected @sneakypete lets try and be more tolerable of each other afterall we are all adults here.
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No, actually, it wasn’t. The Founders may have been Christian, but they went out of their way to build this county upon nonsectarian principles that, they believed, all reasonable people would agree to no matter their religion (or lack thereof).
Ask Thomas Jefferson, to start with.
Well, ok, we can start with Thomas Jefferson who many believe was a Freemason which isn't necessarily a religious affiliation but Christian values and principles do apply and a belief in God/Supreme being acknowledged though they advocate no sectarian faith or practice.
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@Right_in_Virginia
Those people are NOT "conservatives". They are Party Pod People who are globalists.
The irony is extreme here... The "Party Pod" people are the ones who vote for their party no matter who the candidate is or what they stand for or their history. Duh... The lesser of two evils thing...
The people who actually have some principles that they expect their party to uphold are anything but "Party Pod" people. Again, Duh...
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No, actually, it wasn’t. The Founders may have been Christian, but they went out of their way to build this county upon nonsectarian principles that, they believed, all reasonable people would agree to no matter their religion (or lack thereof).
Ask Thomas Jefferson, to start with.
Several of the Founders were not Christians, but the overwhelming majority of the Framers were. Only three Deists, as I recall, and one Jew.
The Christian Framers broke away from European-style State-Churchism when they concluded, among other things, that the New Testament disallows it.
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@sneakypete
I happen to respect @Chosen Daughter as a member of this forum and I consider her a friend. She has a difference of opinion (which she is entitled to) and I honestly believe she would be absolutely elated if the wall was built.
@libertybele
If that is true and she says it is true,I will admit I was wrong and apologize to her.
She has made some valid points though, if as much of the wall was built as Trump has declared, the number of caravans and illegal crossings would be down.
More of the Wall isn't built because the RINO's and the Dims that profit from illegal aliens have done everything in their power to keep it from being built. The thing that upsets me the most about this is that they then turn around and mock him for not having it built after doing everything they can do to prevent it from being built.
I stand with President Trump and I am appalled at what the left has thrown at him....no need to state further what I've already said.
Peace.
That is good to hear,and I wish peace to you,also. I will only add that it seems to ME that the alleged Republicans that didn't vote for Trump have thrown more crap at him than the Dims/formal left,and for the same reasons,personal self-interest. The alleged Republicans profit too much from illegal labor under the table to lose it,and the left profit too much from the political clout the illegals give them,and from running and providing services to all the various welfare agencies whose business are booming from providing them with help.
The ONLY people who are not profiting from the illegal alien flood are the working class American citizens whose standard of living has dropped from lost opportunities and high taxes.
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Well, ok, we can start with Thomas Jefferson who many believe was a Freemason which isn't necessarily a religious affiliation but Christian values and principles do apply and a belief in God/Supreme being acknowledged though they advocate no sectarian faith or practice.
No, they don’t apply. The Founders may have used some of their beliefs as inspiration, but they intentionally drafted a constitution that was nonsectarian, that was based on operative principles even atheists could agree with.
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The Founding Fathers ascribed to Christian beliefs and their writings and their actions reflect that.
Whether or not they were 10% or 50% or 80% or 100% Christian is for God to determine.
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The irony is extreme here... The "Party Pod" people are the ones who vote for their party no matter who the candidate is or what they stand for or their history. Duh... The lesser of two evils thing...
The people who actually have some principles that they expect their party to uphold are anything but "Party Pod" people. Again, Duh...
@DB
You are the one that doesn't understand. The Party Pod People still love their beloved RINO's,but absolutely HATE Trump with the burning hatred of a million suns BECAUSE HE BEAT ONE OR ALL OF THEIR IDOLS FOR THE NOMINATION. To them,it's like coming home and having a strange family living in their house and eating their food.
They will NEVER forgive Trump for beating JEB,Cruz,and the other usual suspects. They would rather lose than see a outsider win and humiliate their leaders.
Maybe a plainer way to put it would be to say that to THEM,it would be like removing Jesus from the Christian religion,and having Satan replace him.
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No. Sorry. Trumpie-bear promised us a big, beautiful wall. And he promised that his negotiation skills were second to none.
If he can’t get the wall, that’s all on him.
If anyone wants to enforce that line in the sand, they're welcome to. It may not work well with reality, but that's their personal preference.
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Pete, you really need some new material. Your endlessly repetitive accusations reached the sell by date ages ago. They are stale.
Yeah? Well, put mine up on the store shelf right alongside them.
Stale? I'll tell you what's STALE here.
The endless oohing and ahhing over every potential transaction of money, no matter how much, that could unleash another Methane Storm from Oberfartgesturming Inspector Mueller.
The bleacher sections here who are continually reaching for their oxygen masks because they're hyperventilating in a human wave over what MIGHT get Trump Impeached.
2 Years now and they're all still dry humping a concrete dock post.
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No, they don’t apply. The Founders may have used some of their beliefs as inspiration, but they intentionally drafted a constitution that was nonsectarian, that was based on operative principles even atheists could agree with.
Benjamin Franklin explicitly declared to the crowned heads of Europe that our new Constitutional Republic was founded on the Bible itself, but you are more or less correct.
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No, actually, it wasn’t. The Founders may have been Christian, but they went out of their way to build this county upon nonsectarian principles that, they believed, all reasonable people would agree to no matter their religion (or lack thereof).
Ask Thomas Jefferson, to start with.
here learn something. you need it
https://wallbuilders.com/library-2/
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No, they don’t apply. The Founders may have used some of their beliefs as inspiration, but they intentionally drafted a constitution that was nonsectarian, that was based on operative principles even atheists could agree with.
Your argument is based on your misunderstanding of the Bible. I won't say Christianity because there are so many sects and even cults. But the New Testament presents Jesus Christ as a free gift of salvation. To those who accept that gift they except the blessing of God. It isn't ugly, or forced. Mean spirited. It is love. It is people simply sharing the good news that God loved the world.
So when you talk about the Constitution they based it on the freedom that God has granted to all. To choose or not choose the blessings that come from knowing a loving God. The Constitution surely was formed on Christian principles. Laws are formed by government which is why morality matters.
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I'd be hard pressed to think of anyone here at TBR that want's to see President Trump impeached on bogus charges @To-Whose-Benefit? It is and will continue to be a direct attack on our Representative Republic for vicious political reasons and I think we all get that.
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Christopher Columbus
And yet, what the Founding Fathers had to say about God is so inspiring that I wish there were a way that American children could be made aware of this. It’s easy enough for homeschoolers to get this knowledge. David Barton has written books on the subject, and there’s an excellent book by William J. Federer, America’s God and Country, Encyclopedia of Quotations, filled with wonderful and inspiring words from the time of Columbus to the present day, proving that belief in God, acknowledging his blessings, and working to fulfill his promises are the most important themes in the entire American enterprise. Christopher Columbus wrote in his Book of Prophecies:
It was the Lord who put into my mind (I could feel His hand upon me) the fact that it would be possible to sail from here to the Indies....
There was no question that the inspiration was from the Holy Spirit, because he comforted me with rays of marvelous illumination from the Holy Scriptures ... encouraging me continually to press forward, and without ceasing for a moment they now encourage me to make haste.
In a letter written in 1493 to Spain’s General Treasurer Gabriel Sanchez, Columbus wrote:
That which the unaided intellect of man could not compass, the spirit of God has granted to human exertions, for God is wont to hear the prayers of His servants who love His precepts even to the performance of apparent impossibilities. Therefore, let the king and queen, our princes and their most happy kingdoms, and all the other provinces of Christendom, render thanks to our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
The Pilgrim Fathers
In June of 1630, ten years after the Pilgrims founded the Plymouth Colony, Gov. John Winthrop landed in Massachusetts Bay with 700 people in 11 ships, thus beginning the Great Migration, which lasted 16 years and saw more than 20,000 Puritans embark for New England. In a sermon aboard the ship Arbella before disembarking on the shores of New England, Winthrop said:
We are a Company, professing ourselves fellow members of Christ, and thus we ought to account ourselves knit together by this bond of love....
Thus stands the cause between God and us: we are entered into covenant with Him for this work. We have taken out a Commission, the Lord hath given us leave to draw our own articles....
We must hold a familiar commerce together in each other in all meekness, gentleness, patience, and liberality. We must delight in each other, make one another’s condition our own, rejoice together, mourn together, labor and suffer together, always having before our eyes our Commission and Community in this work, as members of the same body....
We shall find that the God of Israel is among us, when ten of us shall be able to resist a thousand of our enemies, when He shall make us a praise and glory, that men of succeeding plantations shall say, "The Lord make it like that of New England."
For we must Consider that we shall be as a City upon a Hill, the eyes of all people are upon us.
That’s the kind of religious fervor and covenantal love that permitted the Puritans to create a Christian civilization in the wilderness of the new world. And from that community came some of the most learned men of God that Christendom has ever known. Harvard College was founded in 1636 for the purpose of training up a learned clergy. And indeed it did. Increase Mather, who became President of Harvard, was one of the first to criticize the British monarch, Charles II, for demanding in 1684 the return of the charter which had given the colonists the right to govern themselves. He wrote:
To submit and resign their charter would be inconsistent with the main end of their fathers’ coming to New England.... [Although resistance would provoke] great sufferings, [it was] better to suffer than sin. Let them trust in the God of their fathers, which is better than to put confidences in princes. And if they suffer, because they dare not comply with the wills of men against the will of God, they suffer in a good cause.
Already one can see the seed of the War for Independence being planted in the soil of New England.
Jonathan Edwards
Jonathan Edwards, the great theologian whose preaching began the revival known as the Great Awakening, was the third President of Princeton University. Concerning the Great Awakening, he wrote:
And then it was, in the latter part of December, that the Spirit of God began extraordinarily to ... work amongst us.... In every place, God brought His saving blessings with Him, and His Word, attended with Spirit ... returned not void.
George Whitefield, the famous dynamic evangelist of the Great Awakening, preached up and down the Eastern seaboard of America. Benjamin Franklin wrote that he was able to hear Whitefield’s voice nearly a mile away. Whitefield wrote:
Those who live godly in Christ, may not so much be said to live, as Christ to live in them.... They are led by the Spirit as a child is led by the hand of its father....
They hear, know, and obey his voice.... Being born again in God they habitually live to, and daily walk with God.
Sarah Edwards, wife of Jonathan Edwards, wrote of Whitefield:
It is wonderful to see what a spell he casts over an audience by proclaiming the simplest truths of the Bible. ... Our mechanics shut up their shops, and the day laborers throw down their tools to go and hear him preach, and few return unaffected.
Benjamin Franklin
Benjamin Franklin wrote:
It was wonderful to see the change soon made in the manners of our inhabitants. From being thoughtless or indifferent about religion, it seemed as if all the world were growing religious, so that one could not walk thro’ the town in an evening without hearing psalms sung in different families of every street.
On matters of education, in 1750 Franklin wrote to Dr. Samuel Johnson, the first president of King’s College (now Columbia University):
I think with you, that nothing is of more importance for the public weal, than to form and train up youth in wisdom and virtue.... I think also, general virtue is more probably to be expected and obtained from the education of youth, than from the exhortation of adult persons; bad habits and vices of the mind being, like diseases of the body, more easily prevented than cured.
I think, moreover, that talents for the education of youth are the gift of God; and that he on whom they are bestowed, whenever a way is opened for the use of them, is as strongly called as if heard a voice from heaven.
Franklin wrote in his Autobiography this prayer that he prayed every day:
O powerful goodness! Bountiful Father! Merciful Guide! Increase in me that wisdom which discovers my truest interest. Strengthen my resolution to perform what that wisdom dictates. Accept my kind offices to thy other children as the only return in my power for thy continual favors to me.
Wouldn’t that be a wonderful nonsectarian prayer for school children to recite each day? It is said that Franklin was a Deist. He had been brought up and educated as a Presbyterian, but he rejected many of the doctrines of the Presbyterian faith. But he writes in his Autobiography:
I never doubted, for instance, the existence of the Deity; that he made the world, and governed it by his Providence; that the most acceptable service of God was the doing good to man; that our souls are immortal; and that all crime will be punished, and virtue rewarded, either here or hereafter.
In July 1776, Franklin was appointed to a committee to draft a seal for the newly formed United States. He proposed:
Moses lifting up his wand, and dividing the red sea, and pharaoh in his chariot overwhelmed with the waters. This motto: "Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God."
In 1787 Franklin wrote in a letter:
Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters.
At the Constitutional Convention in 1787, Franklin, disturbed by the bitter debates among the delegates, said in a speech to the convention:
I have lived, Sir, a long time, and the longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this truth—that God Governs in the affairs of men....
We have been assured, Sir, in the Sacred Writings, that "except the Lord build the House, they labor in vain that build it."...
I therefore beg leave to move—that henceforth prayers imploring the assistance of Heaven, and its blessing on our deliberations, be held in this Assembly every morning before we proceed to business, and that one or more of the clergy of this city be requested to officiate in that service............
https://chalcedon.edu/magazine/the-founding-fathers-on-religion-and-morality
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This country was founded upon Christian principles and values period. Taxes anyone? Perhaps one also needs to look at modern day France.
Good point. Do look at France. Its burning.
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Benjamin Franklin
Benjamin Franklin wrote:
It was wonderful to see the change soon made in the manners of our inhabitants. From being thoughtless or indifferent about religion, it seemed as if all the world were growing religious, so that one could not walk thro’ the town in an evening without hearing psalms sung in different families of every street.
On matters of education, in 1750 Franklin wrote to Dr. Samuel Johnson, the first president of King’s College (now Columbia University):
I think with you, that nothing is of more importance for the public weal, than to form and train up youth in wisdom and virtue.... I think also, general virtue is more probably to be expected and obtained from the education of youth, than from the exhortation of adult persons; bad habits and vices of the mind being, like diseases of the body, more easily prevented than cured.
I think, moreover, that talents for the education of youth are the gift of God; and that he on whom they are bestowed, whenever a way is opened for the use of them, is as strongly called as if heard a voice from heaven.
Franklin wrote in his Autobiography this prayer that he prayed every day:
O powerful goodness! Bountiful Father! Merciful Guide! Increase in me that wisdom which discovers my truest interest. Strengthen my resolution to perform what that wisdom dictates. Accept my kind offices to thy other children as the only return in my power for thy continual favors to me.
Wouldn’t that be a wonderful nonsectarian prayer for school children to recite each day? It is said that Franklin was a Deist. He had been brought up and educated as a Presbyterian, but he rejected many of the doctrines of the Presbyterian faith. But he writes in his Autobiography:
I never doubted, for instance, the existence of the Deity; that he made the world, and governed it by his Providence; that the most acceptable service of God was the doing good to man; that our souls are immortal; and that all crime will be punished, and virtue rewarded, either here or hereafter.
In July 1776, Franklin was appointed to a committee to draft a seal for the newly formed United States. He proposed:
Moses lifting up his wand, and dividing the red sea, and pharaoh in his chariot overwhelmed with the waters. This motto: "Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God."
In 1787 Franklin wrote in a letter:
Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters.
At the Constitutional Convention in 1787, Franklin, disturbed by the bitter debates among the delegates, said in a speech to the convention:
I have lived, Sir, a long time, and the longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this truth—that God Governs in the affairs of men....
We have been assured, Sir, in the Sacred Writings, that "except the Lord build the House, they labor in vain that build it."...
I therefore beg leave to move—that henceforth prayers imploring the assistance of Heaven, and its blessing on our deliberations, be held in this Assembly every morning before we proceed to business, and that one or more of the clergy of this city be requested to officiate in that service............
https://chalcedon.edu/magazine/the-founding-fathers-on-religion-and-morality (https://chalcedon.edu/magazine/the-founding-fathers-on-religion-and-morality)
Is this the same Ben Franklin who was a member of the Hellfire sex club in London and was known to frequent brothels over there as well?
Few Americans ever come across these aphorisms offered by Franklin through Poor Richard:
''After three days men grow weary of a wench, a guest & weather rainy.''
''Neither a Fortress nor a maidenhead will hold out long after they begin to parley.''
''She that paints her Face thinks of her Tail.''
Franklin often philosophized that it was important for a man to be reasonable-since it enabled him to find a reason for doing anything he wanted to do. But Franklin himself was frightened by his sexual appetite, admitting in his autobiography that ''the hard-to-be-governed passion of my youth had hurried me frequently into intrigues with low women that fell in my way.''
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1990-05-06-9002070774-story.html (https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1990-05-06-9002070774-story.html)
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Is this the same Ben Franklin who was a member of the Hellfire sex club in London and was known to frequent brothels over there as well?
Few Americans ever come across these aphorisms offered by Franklin through Poor Richard:
''After three days men grow weary of a wench, a guest & weather rainy.''
''Neither a Fortress nor a maidenhead will hold out long after they begin to parley.''
''She that paints her Face thinks of her Tail.''
Franklin often philosophized that it was important for a man to be reasonable-since it enabled him to find a reason for doing anything he wanted to do. But Franklin himself was frightened by his sexual appetite, admitting in his autobiography that ''the hard-to-be-governed passion of my youth had hurried me frequently into intrigues with low women that fell in my way.''
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1990-05-06-9002070774-story.html (https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1990-05-06-9002070774-story.html)
Chicago Tribune. Fake news Frank!
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Chicago Tribune. Fake news Frank!
It's pretty common knowledge that Franklin liked his women. He writes about it in some of his books and letters.
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Yeah? Well, put mine up on the store shelf right alongside them.
Stale? I'll tell you what's STALE here.
The endless oohing and ahhing over every potential transaction of money, no matter how much, that could unleash another Methane Storm from Oberfartgesturming Inspector Mueller.
The bleacher sections here who are continually reaching for their oxygen masks because they're hyperventilating in a human wave over what MIGHT get Trump Impeached.
2 Years now and they're all still dry humping a concrete dock post.
Now here's the post of the day @To-Whose-Benefit? !! 888high58888
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It's pretty common knowledge that Franklin liked his women. He writes about it in some of his books and letters.
The best time of his life was when Franklin was Ambassador to France. And it had nothing to do with politics. 88devil
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It's pretty common knowledge that Franklin liked his women. He writes about it in some of his books and letters.
That's what I've heard, too. I don't think Franklin bothered to hide it. He respected Christianity a great deal, but evidently never partook of it for himself.
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@sneakypete I happen to respect @Chosen Daughter as a member of this forum and I consider her a friend. She has a difference of opinion (which she is entitled to) and I honestly believe she would be absolutely elated if the wall was built.
She has made some valid points though, if as much of the wall was built as Trump has declared, the number of caravans and illegal crossings would be down. IMHO does that make him a bad President? No.
I was merely trying to point out that we also have 535 members of Congress who ARE also responsible.
Thank you @libertybele .
I stand with President Trump and I am appalled at what the left has thrown at him....no need to state further what I've already said.
Peace.
Of course I do blame Congress and Senate as well. In fact I find them repulsive. Because our elected officials are supposed to uphold the laws of the United States of America. They take an oath but instead their business is lobbyist, and who can get the Hispanic vote. They work for themselves instead of upholding laws and creating laws that benefit its citizens who they highly tax. Then we talk about prison reform legislation. It is easy to see why we have an overpopulation in our prisons. They think the best way is to release felons from our prisons early?
December 21, 2017 5:52PM
New Report on Illegal Immigrant Criminality Reveals Little & Admits Its Own Shortcomings
By Alex Nowrasteh
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The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) and the Department of Justice (DOJ) today released a report that found that about 94 percent of foreign-born inmates in Federal prisons are illegal immigrants. That is not surprising, as illegal immigrants convicted of an immigration offense are incarcerated in federal prison and account 7.3 percent of all inmates. Likewise, drug traffickers who cross international borders are also in federal prison and account 46.3 percent of all prisoners. Thus, illegal immigrants are overrepresented in federal prison because the federal government enforces immigration laws and many drug trafficking laws but only a small fraction of all those incarcerated for all crimes committed in the U.S. are in federal prisons.
The authors of this DHS/DOJ report do deserve credit for highlighting its shortcomings. On the first page, it states:
This report does not include data on the foreign-born or alien populations in state prisons and local jails because state and local facilities do not routinely provide DHS or DOJ with comprehensive information about their inmates and detainees. This limitation is noteworthy because state and local facilities account for approximately 90 percent of the total U.S. incarcerated population.
https://www.cato.org/blog/new-report-illegal-immigrant-criminality-reveals-little-admits-its-own-shortcomings (https://www.cato.org/blog/new-report-illegal-immigrant-criminality-reveals-little-admits-its-own-shortcomings)
94% of foreign born Federal prisoners are illegal. That is staggering, and doesn't even account for state prison populations which hide the statistics. The things our government will do to get cheep labor for greedy corporations. Or making sure that they get the Hispanic vote!
It is Jared Kushner heading up the prison legislation. I give Tom Cotton credit for opposing this piece of legislation that would set more criminals free onto our streets.
So in conclusion that I have acknowledge corruption in House and Senate that has made it impossible to build the border wall. And BTW a wall is not nearly enough. We have to stop the lure. Stop the free stuff and chain migration. But here is where I hold the President responsible.....the times he said he wouldn't sign funding but did. It appears that is his best option because government is corrupt. He could have done it and he didn't. Now it is thrice worse with a Democratic Congress coming in. By holding off he has made it much harder.
So, that is the immigration. Now about Planned Parenthood. People of faith made Trump victorious in the last election. I don't know who they were fooling with Kavanaugh but even Susan Collins knew he would not deliver for people of faith. I think it could be a very likely outcome that Trump will not be elected in 2020. I am not talking about impeachment. But I certainly do not like him. I don't like who he is or his immoral behavior. I think it is quite possible that he did rape that girl at a Jeffrey Epstein party but we will never know because it will never go to court. I think he is a sick SOB.
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That's what I've heard, too. I don't think Franklin bothered to hide it. He respected Christianity a great deal, but evidently never partook of it for himself.
Well I don't know about hellfire club, but I thought this explained his beliefs. While not really being a Christian he was raise Puritan. He did believe in Gods hand in government. He did believe in prayer and God, but denied deity....
http://christianworldviewpress.com/was-benjamin-franklin-a-christian/ (http://christianworldviewpress.com/was-benjamin-franklin-a-christian/)
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@Chosen Daughter
You just keep telling yourselves that as you worship at your Bush shrines.
You don't know me. You just make this stuff up as you go. I was the same with Bush as I am with Trump. As fair as I believe he deserved. I know he was a globalist. You know I am not. I know that he was for open borders. You know I am not.
Your posts are meaningless. I always say what I believe even when it is unpopular.
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skeeter wrote:
"I support Trump. But if I didn't I hope I would be perceptive enough to realize that there's no going back to the days where Bush & Dole ran the party. There just aren't enough voters in that demographic anymore.
If its not Trump it'll be somebody else the GOPe hates, or it'll be a democrat."
^^^^^
This.
Well, the Pubbies could go back to the Bush/Dole days.
Then they'll be back in the minority -- FOREVER.
But, hey... most of 'em seem to LIKE IT there.
(as do the mealy-mouthed anti-Trumpers right here also)
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The Biggest Losers of Trump’s Presidency: His Voters
His incompetence and incoherence guarantees that he'll be a one-term president.
By Robert W. Merry • December 13, 2018
The saddest victims of Donald Trump’s 2016 presidential victory, it now seems . . .
Stopped reading once I saw the liberal word 'seems'. Tell me what it is - not what you feel it is.
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Now here's the post of the day @To-Whose-Benefit? !! 888high58888
@Right_in_Virginia @To-Whose-Benefit?
I'll second that one! 888high58888
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You were wondering about what wall has been built @libertybele . Here is this bizarre letter from DHS describing the few miles here and there.
https://www.dhs.gov/news/2018/12/12/walls-work (https://www.dhs.gov/news/2018/12/12/walls-work)
I think that the migrants can walk around a 2 mile wall, but they won't be coming through the new one.
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This is absurd. We have two conservative justices and tax reform. I agree that Trump's style leaves a lot to be desired. But he has gotten some things done, including things (like tariffs) that I do not personally support.
fixed.
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Yep. And it will be so until the end of his encumbered presidency.
That's why character always matters.
:thumbsup:
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You mean like the stained glass, high-minded, SJW intersectional political correctness like the libs project?
The 'compassionate conservatism' that is simply nothing but let everybody come in and suck on the teat, but have a strong military and give great speeches?
You can be as above reproach, high minded, sonorous and stained glass in composure, eloquent in every word, and still not accomplish a damn thing.
This is the problem with many of the NT'ers - they are so enraptured by soaring rhetoric that they are completely incapable of having the grit and tenacity it takes to move the ball under our Constitutional system.
No, we mean CONSERVATISM. Actual bare-boned non-hyphenated Conservatism. It is the only thing that will 'get stuff done', and the only 'right stuff'.
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No, no, no, with those folks it’s all or nothing at all.
It’s imperative constitutional conservatives speak up in support President Trump and take every opportunity to expose the media lies and partisan political attacks. Instead they damn him with faint praise and often join the chorus of hate, suspicion and innuendo.
That's because Constitutional Conservatives support things that are... constitutional.
Principled Conservatives are wed to principle, not people... The very principles all y'all have thrown under the bus. And yet you demand their support. *****rollingeyes*****
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The biggest losers of the Trump's presidency : the new world order crowd. And a damn good reason to stick with him.
Tump IS the New World Order crowd.
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@corbe
And yall ate it UP!
No, we laughed our asses of at him.
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And that's the point. If he acts, he's a dictator. If he doesn't, he's broken his promises.
But be sure, the NT'ers and #Resistance will blame him either way, because they oppose him on ideological grounds that reflect more on them than him.
No, but because believe it or not, the buck always stops at the top.
The blame always rests on the leader. Just as the credit would, if there were any.
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Imagine millions of courageous conservatives rising up to reignite the promise of America!!
Start with a Conservative leader.
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Start with a Conservative leader.
Well, unfortunately Ted didn't win the nomination. :patriot:
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You were wondering about what wall has been built @libertybele . Here is this bizarre letter from DHS describing the few miles here and there.
https://www.dhs.gov/news/2018/12/12/walls-work (https://www.dhs.gov/news/2018/12/12/walls-work)
I think that the migrants can walk around a 2 mile wall, but they won't be coming through the new one.
Thanks for the info ... obviously lots and lots of wall needs to be built.
The Bottom Line: Walls Work. When it comes to stopping drugs and illegal aliens from crossing our borders, border walls have proven to be extremely effective. Border security relies on a combination of border infrastructure, technology, personnel and partnerships with law enforcement at the state, local, tribal, and federal level. For example, when we installed a border wall in the Yuma Sector, we have seen border apprehensions decrease by 90 percent. In San Diego, we saw on Sunday that dilapidated, decades-old barriers are not sufficient for today’s threat and need to be removed so new – up to 30 foot wall sections can be completed.
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Well, unfortunately Ted didn't win the nomination. :patriot:
There ya go.
Asking conservatives to toe the party line behind a NYC liberal lifetime Democrat is what is beyond absurd. Demanding it, all the more so.
Especially when most Conservatives are no longer in the party.
Likewise, asking Conservatives to fall in line in a movement that is destroying the very principles upon which we stand is equally absurd.
The best you will get is a golf clap from the sidelines now and then, when by some quirk of fate, the idiot actually does something right.
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Likewise, asking Conservatives to fall in line in a movement that is destroying the very principles upon which we stand is equally absurd.
And doing so while continuing to mock us for supporting a loser like Cruz.
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Thanks for the info ... obviously lots and lots of wall needs to be built.
The Bottom Line: Walls Work. When it comes to stopping drugs and illegal aliens from crossing our borders, border walls have proven to be extremely effective. Border security relies on a combination of border infrastructure, technology, personnel and partnerships with law enforcement at the state, local, tribal, and federal level. For example, when we installed a border wall in the Yuma Sector, we have seen border apprehensions decrease by 90 percent. In San Diego, we saw on Sunday that dilapidated, decades-old barriers are not sufficient for today’s threat and need to be removed so new – up to 30 foot wall sections can be completed.
Well, yes it does. I fail to see how a section of 2 miles however is going to stop illegal immigration. Maybe 20 miles but these small pieces of wall seem like a waste of tax payer money. This seems like wall with lots and lots of big beautiful holes (doors) for people to come through. So far we have 26 miles completed broken into small sections.
I know lets go around...........brilliant idea!
(https://foreignpolicymag.files.wordpress.com/2017/05/gettyimages-614678600.jpg?w=960)
(https://static01.nyt.com/images/2018/12/13/us/politics/13DC-Wall1/merlin_144386166_10ad515a-04c0-4493-ba80-531640a06ef0-articleLarge.jpg?quality=75&auto=webp&disable=upscale)
Looks like the wall panels are already rusted out.
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At least they don't have to dig tunnels here.
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At least they don't have to dig tunnels here.
unless those wall go down into the ground they will still do that too.
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Maybe 20 miles but these small pieces of wall seem like a waste of tax payer money.
It won't be when they run 480 VAC through it.
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It won't be when they run 480 VAC through it.
I like that idea. I thought about that too. Jarassic Park style, but they will still be sections.
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Likewise, asking Conservatives to fall in line in a movement that is destroying the very principles upon which we stand is equally absurd.
So Conservatives don't stand upon low taxes, few regulations on the private sector, Constitutionalist judges, energy independence, defense of Israel, a strong U.S. military, fair trade and the sovereignty of the United States.
Well, this certainly explains why you're so angry with the President and those that gave him the job @roamer_1
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So Conservatives don't stand upon low taxes, few regulations on the private sector, Constitutionalist judges, energy independence, defense of Israel, a strong U.S. military, fair trade and the sovereignty of the United States.
Well, this certainly explains why you're so angry with the President and those that gave him the job.
I don't think Kavanaugh is much of a Conservative.
Susan Collins feels vindicated.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/susan-collins-brett-kavanaugh-ruled-impartially-independently-in-planned-parenthood-case (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/susan-collins-brett-kavanaugh-ruled-impartially-independently-in-planned-parenthood-case)
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The American Conservative, founded by Pat Buchanan and Taki, I believe is the name of the man. So, that's their perspective.
Trump's easily the best president, well, in a long time. Yemen worries me some.
We don't turn on the morning news and watch ISIS cutting people's heads off, the Korean war has ended, there are some loose ends still, the economy has done excellently, border security is front and center on everyone's minds.
Some expect a magician, expect things to get done so easily, maybe they have some good points. Maybe Trump doesn't understand the system, we will see.
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The American Conservative, founded by Pat Buchanan and Taki, I believe is the name of the man. So, that's their perspective.
Trump's easily the best president, well, in a long time. Yemen worries me some.
We don't turn on the morning news and watch ISIS cutting people's heads off, the Korean war has ended, there are some loose ends still, the economy has done excellently, border security is front and center on everyone's minds.
Some expect a magician, expect things to get done so easily, maybe they have some good points. Maybe Trump doesn't understand the system, we will see.
Trump is a mediocre president who will be ranked no better than Bush II when history is done with him.
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I can just see it now:
(https://nyoobserver.files.wordpress.com/2018/05/screen-shot-2018-05-15-at-1-29-55-pm.png?w=971&h=476)
Mr. Trump 'Tear down this wall'
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So Conservatives don't stand upon low taxes [...]
No we don't, not without spending cuts to go with them. The money comes from somewhere - If it isn't coming out of our pockets, it is coming out of our children's and grandchildren's pockets.
The spending is the issue. And hoo boy, can your man spend money he ain't got.
[...] few regulations on the private sector
[...] 'Few'? What does that mean? There are not 'few' regulations, by any stretch of the word, and even if 'fewer' is true (which I would grant you for the sake of the argument), how many 'fewer' before it is worth bragging about? A few less measured in hundreds or even thousands means little to nothing when federal regulatory law fills a library.
Constitutionalist judges
[...] Where? Trading a Scalia and a Kennedy for two Kennedys is going in the wrong direction.
[...] energy independence, defense of Israel
Yep. Good. Every now and then a blind hog finds an acorn.
a strong U.S. military
yeah... trillions of dollars strong.
fair trade and the sovereignty of the United States.
Where? Paris? nope. NAFTA? LOL! Sure... Unions in Mexico... That'll fix it. I wouldn't wish unions on my worst enemy.
Well, this certainly explains why you're so angry with the President and those that gave him the job.
Nah. All it explains is that some people are blinded by the color orange.
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So Conservatives don't stand upon low taxes, few regulations on the private sector, Constitutionalist judges, energy independence, defense of Israel, a strong U.S. military, fair trade and the sovereignty of the United States.
Well, this certainly explains why you're so angry with the President and those that gave him the job @roamer_1
You're overstating a bit, but I'm positive you knew that and are just here to try to tweak some noses.
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No we don't, not without spending cuts to go with them. The money comes from somewhere - If it isn't coming out of our pockets, it is coming out of our children's and grandchildren's pockets.
The spending is the issue. And hoo boy, can your man spend money he ain't got.
[...] 'Few'? What does that mean? There are not 'few' regulations, by any stretch of the word, and even if 'fewer' is true (which I would grant you for the sake of the argument), how many 'fewer' before it is worth bragging about? A few less measured in hundreds or even thousands means little to nothing when federal regulatory law fills a library.
[...] Where? Trading a Scalia and a Kennedy for two Kennedys is going in the wrong direction.
Yep. Good. Every now and then a blind hog finds an acorn.
yeah... trillions of dollars strong.
Where? Paris? nope. NAFTA? LOL! Sure... Unions in Mexico... That'll fix it. I wouldn't wish unions on my worst enemy.
Nah. All it explains is that some people are blinded by the color orange.
Especially the spending. I always think of my children strapped with all this debt. But we can't even defund the baby parts business.
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Especially the spending. I always think of my children strapped with all this debt. But we can't even defund the baby parts business.
And people are cheering it as the world circles the drain, heading to hell. *****rollingeyes*****
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Nah. All it explains is that some people are blinded by the color orange.
Too late @roamer_1 You let the cat out of the bag and have exposed why conservatives hate this President.... his principles are not yours .... so Conservatives raging against President Trump are actually raging against low taxes, few regulations on the private sector, Constitutionalist judges, energy independence, defense of Israel, a strong U.S. military, fair trade and the sovereignty of the United States.
Got it.
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his principles are not yours ....
Tumpy the Clown has principles???
:silly: :silly: :silly:
Not that's funny, right there..
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The American Conservative, founded by Pat Buchanan and Taki, I believe is the name of the man. So, that's their perspective.
Trump's easily the best president, well, in a long time. Yemen worries me some.
We don't turn on the morning news and watch ISIS cutting people's heads off, the Korean war has ended, there are some loose ends still, the economy has done excellently, border security is front and center on everyone's minds.
Some expect a magician, expect things to get done so easily, maybe they have some good points. Maybe Trump doesn't understand the system, we will see.
We will see what the economy does in the next couple years. I actually would side with Trump on yemen. Why would I want to support death to America Iran? What is happening in yemen is a result of Islam. The images of starving children are horrible, but they are suffering because of Islam. For us Saudi Arabia is far less a danger to us than Iran. Or to Israel.
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We will see what the economy does in the next couple years. I actually would side with Trump on yemen. Why would I want to support death to America Iran? What is happening in yemen is a result of Islam. The images of starving children are horrible, but they are suffering because of Islam. For us Saudi Arabia is far less a danger to us than Iran. Or to Israel.
B-b-b-but Saudi is mean and kills random members of the Muslim Brotherhood that call themselves "journalists."
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Tumpy the Clown has principles??? Not that's funny, right there..
The President most certainly does @roamer_1 If you don't believe me, you can either ask your horse or read his book written almost 19 years ago. His political principles have not changed.... they're just not, as you explained, yours.
The America We Deserve Hardcover – January 15, 2000
by Donald Trump
https://www.amazon.com/America-We-Deserve-Donald-Trump/dp/1580631312/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1544491207&sr=1-2&keywords=the+america+we+deserve+donald+trump (https://www.amazon.com/America-We-Deserve-Donald-Trump/dp/1580631312/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1544491207&sr=1-2&keywords=the+america+we+deserve+donald+trump)
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The President most certainly does @roamer_1 If you don't believe me, you can either ask your horse or read his book written almost 19 years ago. His political principles have not changed.... they're just not, as you explained, yours.
I have no doubt my horse would be more honest, true, and consistent. As for reading his books, I have read one, and that was enough for me to determine I would never need to read another. Thanks anyway. I will leave his drivel to his admirers.
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I have no doubt my horse would be more honest, true, and consistent. As for reading his books, I have read one, and that was enough for me to determine I would never need to read another. Thanks anyway. I will leave his drivel to his admirers.
:thumbsup:
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RiV is right ya know, yall are just too stubborn to admit it.
(http://static.cinemagia.ro/img/db/actor/15/89/21/stormy-daniels-822820l.jpg)
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B-b-b-but Saudi is mean and kills random members of the Muslim Brotherhood that call themselves "journalists."
Over there they are all killing each other and have been since the beginning of Islam.
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At least they don't have to dig tunnels here.
Help me understand why are those wall panels rusty? I hope they aren't rusted out in 5-10 years. What do you think Corbe?
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That's not rust that's natural orange. @Chosen Daughter
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There ya go.
Asking conservatives to toe the party line behind a NYC liberal lifetime Democrat is what is beyond absurd. Demanding it, all the more so.
Especially when most Conservatives are no longer in the party.
Likewise, asking Conservatives to fall in line in a movement that is destroying the very principles upon which we stand is equally absurd.
The best you will get is a golf clap from the sidelines now and then, when by some quirk of fate, the idiot actually does something right.
Again, what conservatives have to work with IS Trump. He IS what is standing between the leftist liberal lunatics and our sovereignty. So far, he's holding them back. So we can either support him or stand divided which is exactly what Nancy and Chuckie and the rest of the gang want.
No. He doesn't get a free pass, but as long as he is pushing for a wall and turning back migrants from the caravans, I think he needs the support from conservatives.
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Again, what conservatives have to work with IS Trump. He IS what is standing between the leftist liberal lunatics and our sovereignty. So far, he's holding them back. So we can either support him or stand divided which is exactly what Nancy and Chuckie and the rest of the gang want.
No. He doesn't get a free pass, but as long as he is pushing for a wall and turning back migrants from the caravans, I think he needs the support from conservatives.
Tell that to Trump. He has no idea how to work with other people to achieve his claimed goals.
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That's not rust that's natural orange. @Chosen Daughter
You're right. :bigsilly:
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This article is typical TAC (The American Conservative) whine, they come out with thought provoking editorials from time to time....
But how we miss the wisdom of this guy:
(http://americanprofile.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/05/charles_krauthammer_gc.jpg)
One has probably never heard of the writer and since I know about TAC, there may well be some positions that a lot of us would diss about TAC. They are very isolationist, at times, they are just your pro-Russian types, regurgitating Russian talking points. I sure don't trust them generally speaking.
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Krauthammer was one of the greatest (in our time) @TomSea still miss him.
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No. He doesn't get a free pass, but as long as he is pushing for a wall and turning back migrants from the caravans, I think he needs the support from conservatives.
I think NT's have been generally supportive of the President on this issue. The prevailing opinion of Trump supporters here is that support of Trump is an all or nothing deal. Good luck building any coalition with that attitude.
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Again, what conservatives have to work with IS Trump. He IS what is standing between the leftist liberal lunatics and our sovereignty. So far, he's holding them back. So we can either support him or stand divided which is exactly what Nancy and Chuckie and the rest of the gang want.
No. He doesn't get a free pass, but as long as he is pushing for a wall and turning back migrants from the caravans, I think he needs the support from conservatives.
If he caves on the shut down the wall is finished and caravans will keep coming. Illegal immigration has increased because empty threats are soon seen as weakness. And if there know they can still get in they will come.
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Again, what conservatives have to work with IS Trump. He IS what is standing between the leftist liberal lunatics and our sovereignty. So far, he's holding them back. So we can either support him or stand divided which is exactly what Nancy and Chuckie and the rest of the gang want.
No. He doesn't get a free pass, but as long as he is pushing for a wall and turning back migrants from the caravans, I think he needs the support from conservatives.
I know where you stand @libertybele - And you still have full faith and credit with me.
But he is holding nothing back... He is friends with the very people you claim he is holding back... and his cabinet and advisors are full of Wall Street... And he is as global as anyone can be, both in his habits and his businesses. He stinks of conman, and he's been to Epstein's Island, for Pete's sake.
I flat don't trust his media makeover, and I will always be suspicious of what his left hand is doing, as be brags about the inconsequential thing he is doing with his right.
So you'll have to forgive my vote of 'no confidence' in your statement.
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The President most certainly does @roamer_1 If you don't believe me, you can either ask your horse or read his book written almost 19 years ago. His political principles have not changed.... they're just not, as you explained, yours.
The America We Deserve Hardcover – January 15, 2000
by Donald Trump
https://www.amazon.com/America-We-Deserve-Donald-Trump/dp/1580631312/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1544491207&sr=1-2&keywords=the+america+we+deserve+donald+trump (https://www.amazon.com/America-We-Deserve-Donald-Trump/dp/1580631312/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1544491207&sr=1-2&keywords=the+america+we+deserve+donald+trump)
Trump wasn't even a Republican in 2000... He was a Perot Reform Party member. He wanted a ban on "assault weapons" whatever those are and Canadian style healthcare... Ya, real model conservative there...
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@DB please report to your nearest county office and replace your defective orange glasses.
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I know where you stand @libertybele - And you still have full faith and credit with me.
But he is holding nothing back... He is friends with the very people you claim he is holding back... and his cabinet and advisors are full of Wall Street... And he is as global as anyone can be, both in his habits and his businesses. He stinks of conman, and he's been to Epstein's Island, for Pete's sake.
I flat don't trust his media makeover, and I will always be suspicious of what his left hand is doing, as be brags about the inconsequential thing he is doing with his right.
So you'll have to forgive my vote of 'no confidence' in your statement.
It pretty hard to say that he is holding back the liberals. Because he has filled his administration with them. I have no confidence either.
He is facing huge opposition on this government shutdown. Even from Republicans. I pray that he stays firm.
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If he wilts and keep the Gov open with no guarantees for any additional border security you know the Trumpers will declare it the best thing since sliced bread anyway. The more things change the more they stay the same.
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Trump wasn't even a Republican in 2000... He was a Perot Reform Party member. He wanted a ban on "assault weapons" whatever those are and Canadian style healthcare... Ya, real model conservative there...
Reform party and he wanted Oprah for his running mate.
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Krauthammer was one of the greatest (in our time) @TomSea still miss him.
Yes.
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For us Saudi Arabia is far less a danger to us than Iran. Or to Israel.
@Chosen Daughter
I disagree. They are by far the most dangerous. They fund most of the Islamic terrorism. IIRC,15 of the 17 terrorists that were involved in crashing airliners into buildings were from Saudi Arabia. Not only that,but it was Saudi Arabia that got Boy Jorge to invade Iraq to take down Saddam Hussein. He was never a danger to us,but he was a definite danger to the Sauds.
The fact that the Crown Prince and Boy Jorge loved swapping spit and possibly other body fluids does nothing to change this.
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Over there they are all killing each other and have been since the beginning of Islam.
@Chosen Daughter
More like since the beginning of time.
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@Chosen Daughter
More like since the beginning of time.
I'm going with your assessment, @sneakypete. Islam was merely a cult designed to legitimize the already existing bloodthirsty elements of the ME and Northern Africa.
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No, actually, it wasn’t. The Founders may have been Christian, but they went out of their way to build this county upon nonsectarian principles that, they believed, all reasonable people would agree to no matter their religion (or lack thereof).
Ask Thomas Jefferson, to start with.
What you are leaving out is that the culture from which they came was based on Judeo-Christian principles. The entire framework of what they did to found this country came directly from those principles.
The fact that they built in religious tolerance of others (within the Christian framework, I would add), does not negate the principles on which they based the Constitution.
What is being missed here (deliberately, by some), is that no one here is calling for a theocracy. No one here wants a Catholic, or Protestant government where church tenets and doctrine are forced on those who do not believe.
That is a straw dog argument and a cheap shot directed at Christians calling for a moral society.
The Founders understood that without moral principles, this Republic would not survive. Their individual sins (Ben Franklin's or Thomas Jefferson's) are not at all the point. The concept of understanding right from wrong is.
Now that the leftists and Marxists among us have taken away those principles, we are left with a culture that is clueless as to what is right and what is wrong, and we are reaping the results of their destruction of an understood and (mostly) practiced moral code.
It is the left that has indoctrinated our schools and universities and created a generation of those who do not understand the importance of moral character, or of serving something higher than themselves. Some victims of their indoctrination post here on a regular basis.
Conservative principles ALWAYS require character in our candidates and ourselves.
@Oceander @Free Vulcan
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I'd be hard pressed to think of anyone here at TBR that want's to see President Trump impeached on bogus charges @To-Whose-Benefit? It is and will continue to be a direct attack on our Representative Republic for vicious political reasons and I think we all get that.
Of COURSE we all get that.
The idea of conflating Conservatives who are critical and non-accepting of Trump with the left who is trying to destroy him and wants him dead is as idiotic, inflammatory and deceitful as any insult on this forum.
And those who continue to do it should be ashamed of themselves.
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The irony is extreme here... The "Party Pod" people are the ones who vote for their party no matter who the candidate is or what they stand for or their history. Duh... The lesser of two evils thing...
The people who actually have some principles that they expect their party to uphold are anything but "Party Pod" people. Again, Duh...
Indeed.....DUH! Populists who cheer for and vote R regardless of the complete.... COMPLETE....... lack of Conservatism in their R candidate are the ones who might be defined as "Pod people."
As you say, @DB....... the irony is off the charts.
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Indeed.....DUH! Populists who cheer for and vote R regardless of the complete.... COMPLETE....... lack of Conservatism in their R candidate are the ones who might be defined as "Pod people."
As you say, @DB....... the irony is off the charts.
I don't disagree with your comment, but I would suggest that it's evading the important point: we have been forced to cobble together a coalition to stop the Socialists. Many of our Republicans are just no danged good. That includes some that have a good "rating" for conservatism. (Some "conservatives" are worthless for dealing with what is going on right now.)
Now that we have a POTUS--not a conspicuously honorable man, to say the least!---who is trying to prevent the complete destruction of the Republic, even we Never Trumpers need to support him whenever possible--not carp about his sometimes ill-advised tweets and continually complain about his inarguably shady dealings with hookers in the past.
Speaking of irony, many Republicans have said so many wonderful things about Bush 41 that it's obvious that they fail to realize that, although GHWB was publicly the opposite of Trump, GHWB was not a good guy for the USA. His lovely family life should not obscure the fact that he sold his soul to the NWO. He was trying to gradually destroy our national sovereignty--the long-range plan by the Deep State for subjugating the USA to the UN in a "kinder, gentler" way, of course.
Trump ain't kinder, gentler. He needs to hang a lot of people--quite literally--and he knows that, thank God.
Can you thank God for that? It's a theologically serious question. Another serious question, do you hate your own POTUS right now? Some professing Christians on TBR manifestly do.
I feel sorry for Trump based on the monumental mess that he has on his plate. And I pray tirelessly for his success. (Gee, isn't that the NT requirement for us? [I am here referring to the New Testament, not Never-Trumpism.])
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Indeed.....DUH! Populists who cheer for and vote R regardless of the complete.... COMPLETE....... lack of Conservatism in their R candidate are the ones who might be defined as "Pod people."
As you say, @DB....... the irony is off the charts.
Mary, mother of God! 9999hair out0000
When the other major party is full-blown Socialist...Venezuela wannabe's? Hell...they want Conservatives dead.
If they have to kill 25 million Americans...they're already quoted to be on board with that.
Guess that makes me a "pod person", @musiclady
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Most normal non-snitty people want someone who gets things done.
And for the most part we're still waiting too.
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And for the most part we're still waiting too.
I get the impression you spend most of your life waiting in between moments of bitching.
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And for the most part we're still waiting too.
So tell us, Tex..., what is the reason y'all are "...still waiting too"?
Is it because the president is against what you want? Or, is it because both parties have conspired to keep the boot heal on his agenda?
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Mary, mother of God! 9999hair out0000
When the other major party is full-blown Socialist...Venezuela wannabe's? Hell...they want Conservatives dead.
If they have to kill 25 million Americans...they're already quoted to be on board with that.
Guess that makes me a "pod person", @musiclady
You missed the previous point here, @DCPatriot .
The accusation was made that Conservatives who wouldn't vote for the R candidate based on principle were "Party Pods"......... an accusation which makes NO sense in any sane world.
All I was doing here was saying that the converse was more true.... that voting for an "R" in some sort of tribal sense is much more pod-like than the accusation that was made.
Actually, I don't think there are any Pod people here and that the initial accusation made was dimwitted. :patriot:
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I don't disagree with your comment, but I would suggest that it's evading the important point: we have been forced to cobble together a coalition to stop the Socialists. Many of our Republicans are just no danged good. That includes some that have a good "rating" for conservatism. (Some "conservatives" are worthless for dealing with what is going on right now.)
Now that we have a POTUS--not a conspicuously honorable man, to say the least!---who is trying to prevent the complete destruction of the Republic, even we Never Trumpers need to support him whenever possible--not carp about his sometimes ill-advised tweets and continually complain about his inarguably shady dealings with hookers in the past.
Speaking of irony, many Republicans have said so many wonderful things about Bush 41 that it's obvious that they fail to realize that, although GHWB was publicly the opposite of Trump, GHWB was not a good guy for the USA. His lovely family life should not obscure the fact that he sold his soul to the NWO. He was trying to gradually destroy our national sovereignty--the long-range plan by the Deep State for subjugating the USA to the UN in a "kinder, gentler" way, of course.
Trump ain't kinder, gentler. He needs to hang a lot of people--quite literally--and he knows that, thank God.
Can you thank God for that? It's a theologically serious question. Another serious question, do you hate your own POTUS right now? Some professing Christians on TBR manifestly do.
I feel sorry for Trump based on the monumental mess that he has on his plate. And I pray tirelessly for his success. (Gee, isn't that the NT requirement for us? [I am here referring to the New Testament, not Never-Trumpism.])
Why do you always include spiritual accusations in every post you make to me? Is that a compulsion that you can't control? :shrug:
My comment to which you replied is addressed above.
Please see my response to DC, and don't assume my spiritual life is lacking because I require character in people I want to represent me.
Thanks ever so much.
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You missed the previous point here, @DCPatriot .
The accusation was made that Conservatives who wouldn't vote for the R candidate based on principle were "Party Pods"......... an accusation which makes NO sense in any sane world.
All I was doing here was saying that the converse was more true.... that voting for an "R" in some sort of tribal sense is much more pod-like than the accusation that was made.
Actually, I don't think there are any Pod people here and that the initial accusation made was dimwitted. :patriot:
I apologize, @musiclady
That was my very first post on this thread, which I've only lurked upon for 6 pages. I missed any context to your post. :patriot:
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So tell us, Tex..., what is the reason y'all are "...still waiting too"?
Is it because the president is against what you want? Or, is it because both parties have conspired to keep the boot heal on his agenda?
He's the President of the United States...supposedly the most powerful position on the planet...he has the ability...should he choose to call the Speaker and the Majority leader into his office and tell them to get his damn agenda passed.
But time and again on key issues he either punts or gets people like you to try to convince us that a half measure is really better than what he promised originally...or as you so lamely stated just now...blame others for his inactivity. Your pathetic "both parties have conspired" line.
He's more interested in Twitter and using it to belittle and bully people instead of using the bully pulpit of his office to make the changes necessary...the changes he said he would make "day one in office".
There's been a few little victories...but on the major issues...the things that got him elected...people are still waiting on him to do something.
And that time for him to get those things done so he can go to the American people and say "I told you I would do it and I did...this is why you should re-elect me"...comes to an end next month.
Maybe I'm wrong...maybe he's a better counter puncher and prefers the underdog role and once Pelosi is trying to give us Obama's America v.2 he WILL call in McConnell and McCarthy and work out a strategy to get things done despite opposition in the House.
But he's given little indication he's making adjustments to his strategy going forward after losing the House.
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Why do you always include spiritual accusations in every post you make to me? Is that a compulsion that you can't control? :shrug:
@musiclady yes it is.
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And for the most part we're still waiting too.
And we're going to have to wait longer now that Nancy is in charge of the House.
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And we're going to have to wait longer now that Nancy is in charge of the House.
Yeah unfortunately.
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And we're going to have to wait longer now that Nancy is in charge of the House.
Maybe. San Fran Nan has no principles whatsoever, and may be more likely than Ryan was to pass stuff we like...as bargaining chips with the Senate and the President.
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He's the President of the United States...supposedly the most powerful position on the planet...he has the ability...should he choose to call the Speaker and the Majority leader into his office and tell them to get his damn agenda passed.
And if it ever leaked into the media that the President had done this …. you would move your soap box over to the sign that says "dictator/king" and accuse the President of being an egomaniac who doesn't understand the Constitution.
You need to face the truth @txradioguy --- President Trump just cannot win with you because for you the goalpost is merely a suggestion.
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Why do you always include spiritual accusations in every post you make to me? Is that a compulsion that you can't control? :shrug:
My comment to which you replied is addressed above.
Please see my response to DC, and don't assume my spiritual life is lacking because I require character in people I want to represent me.
Thanks ever so much.
Why haven't you acknowledged that I stated publicly at the beginning of my Post #148 that I agreed with what you said in your Post #147 to DB? Hey, that's a serious, probing question (again).
Next, I will point out that I also agree with your more recent post to DC (your #153). To DCPatriot's credit, he apologized.
But this brings me to the point that you have continued to evade (see below):
Many NeverTrumpers have only a foul attitude towards a President who is trying to do what is right (and getting a huge amount of good things done, I might add). I was specifically pointing out to anyone who lurks on this thread that it is a sinful attitude on the part of Christians to continue trashing Trump at practically every turn. To do so, under the strange circumstances of Providence, is to complain against God--Who, in His infinite wisdom, set Trump over us right after He had also set Obama over us for eight miserable years.
I regard this as a lovely SET-UP for finally destroying the Deep State. If our strange and crude but determined and super-patriotic President so much as survives, he will surely destroy all of the leaders of the Deep State--including the Kenyan fraud himself.
(There have been those on TBR who have said that no good can come from having a morally suspect guy like Trump in the White House. That position is historically and Biblically false. I wish we had a more conspicuously moral POTUS in the White House--and I vigorously opposed Trump as a scoundrel during the Republican nomination--but he's now our President facing an Herculean task of cleaning out the Deep State stable.
Beside, we could have nominated and elected a "gentleman churchgoer" like GHWB and wound up doomed as a nation. Remember: GHWB voted for Hillary Clinton. What a lovely guy GHWB was--not! [Don't you see how confusing this mess is? If you do, you need to charitably back the strange, crude guy who is finally poised to take down Obama and the Clintons and their entire nest of serpents.])
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I apologize, @musiclady
That was my very first post on this thread, which I've only lurked upon for 6 pages. I missed any context to your post. :patriot:
Not a problem! It's easy to have that happen.
You are most definitely NOT a Pod Person. 8888mistltoe
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@musiclady yes it is.
Wonder why HE isn't called a "Church Lady?" happy77
Oh, yeah....... he's a pro-Trump Christian, so he's OK in the atheism Trumpian book. wink777
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Expanding on the lame "Church Lady" so called insult tossed out on this thread.........
Dana Carvey started that routine in 1986, so it's not even in this century.
In addition it's so hackneyed that anyone who thinks it actually works as an insult has a serious lack of wit.
Any time someone directs it at me, it makes me double over in laughter because it's so dumb that it insults the accuser far more than it does me.
And on this forum, many of those making the argument that the Founding Fathers based our government on moral, Judeo-Christian principles, and that we must elect men and women of character for this nation to survive, are MEN, making the "Church Lady" insult even more idiotic.
A word to the wise.......... if that word applies to whomever uses this silliness......... stop calling moral people Church Ladies. It makes you look really stupid. :beer:
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To do so, under the strange circumstances of Providence, is to complain against God--Who, in His infinite wisdom, set Trump over us right after He had also set Obama over us for eight miserable years.
If you think God micromanaged this election to let such a lecherous narcissist lord over us after eight years of subversive evil, this nation is beyond doomed. It is damned, because this flies flat in the face of almost everything His Word has written.
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G-d is not a micro-manager. He handed the keys to Adam/Eve a very long time ago, and never once asked for them back.
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@musiclady
Sorry I missed the kerfuffle. Just rolled out of bed. :smokin: I liked Dana Carvey, and he had fun roles at which he excelled (Party On, Garth!). "Church Lady" was my least favorite. My fault, really...I just don't think making fun of good Christians is particularly amusing, and I was disappointed at the general popularity of the character.
7777sleigh
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What is being missed here (deliberately, by some), is that no one here is calling for a theocracy. No one here wants a Catholic, or Protestant government where church tenets and doctrine are forced on those who do not believe.
@musiclady
You can't POSSIBLY believe that nonsense yourself. There is no such thing as a religion that doesn't want more power in order to enforce their beliefs and to protect their system. If I have heard the words "We need a Godly President!" once while growing up,I have heard it a thousand times. Or seen it in print in editorials.
Now that the leftists and Marxists among us have taken away those principles, we are left with a culture that is clueless as to what is right and what is wrong, and we are reaping the results of their destruction of an understood and (mostly) practiced moral code.
And here you are claiming the left has taken away what you claimed never existed.
YES,the left DOES attack organized religion because even though they will never admit it,Marxism is a religion,and their religion doesn't like competition any more than any other religion.
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@musiclady
Sorry I missed the kerfuffle. Just rolled out of bed. :smokin: I liked Dana Carvey, and he had fun roles at which he excelled (Party On, Garth!). "Church Lady" was my least favorite. My fault, really...I just don't find making fun of good Christians is particularly amusing, and I was disappointed at the general popularity of the character.
7777sleigh
Church Lady was stupid at its best.
More than 30 years later on a Conservative website with many Christian posters, it's just plain idiotic. *****rollingeyes*****
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Indeed.....DUH! Populists who cheer for and vote R regardless of the complete.... COMPLETE....... lack of Conservatism in their R candidate are the ones who might be defined as "Pod people."
As you say, @DB....... the irony is off the charts.
@musiclady
You need to look in the mirror before you go accusing anyone else of not having character. Not to mention the history books or the book know as the Old Testament.
Or the Koran and the Torah.
Probably the various Asian religions have a "Holy Book" that is similar.
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Church Lady was stupid at its best.
More than 30 years later on a Conservative website with many Christian posters, it's just plain idiotic. *****rollingeyes*****
There are too many people who think no church exists that doesn't want to have governmental power to force people to be adherents of their faith. I don't want to be in a church like that. **nononono*
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There are too many people who think no church exists that doesn't want to have governmental power to force people to be adherents of their faith. I don't want to be in a church like that. **nononono*
@Cyber Liberty @musiclady
"Church Ladies" existed LONG before Dana Carvey did his skits on SNL. They existed in every community in the country,but were obviously more visible in smaller rural communities.
And Carvey was DEAD ON with his impersonations. Especially the "Ain't THAT "special!" sarcasm. On a favorite in the south,"Why,bless yore heart!"
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It is the left that has indoctrinated our schools and universities and created a generation of those who do not understand the importance of moral character, or of serving something higher than themselves. Some victims of their indoctrination post here on a regular basis.
Conservative principles ALWAYS require character in our candidates and ourselves.
But what is character? Lot's of talk but no action? All hat no cattle? I see all sorts in DC boasting about their character and moral superiority, always posturing as above reproach, but either doing nothing to stop what's going on, or aiding it with their bizarro upside down world view.
Character is not a stained-glass poseur.
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But what is character? Lot's of talk but no action? All hat no cattle? I see all sorts in DC boasting about their character and moral superiority, always posturing as above reproach, but either doing nothing to stop what's going on, or aiding it with their bizarro upside down world view.
Character is not a stained-glass poseur.
Of course it isn't all hat, no cattle. Of course it isn't boasting about moral superiority. Of course it isn't doing nothing to stop what's going on.
Of course it isn't a stained-glass poseur.
But you knew that.
So why did you ask? :shrug:
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But what is character? Lot's of talk but no action? All hat no cattle? I see all sorts in DC boasting about their character and moral superiority, always posturing as above reproach, but either doing nothing to stop what's going on, or aiding it with their bizarro upside down world view.
Character is not a stained-glass poseur.
No kidding. But that is not a reason to follow a liberal lout from NYC.
Duncan Hunter Sr comes to mind... No one can accuse him of being other than a gentleman in his posture, and no one can question his Conservative bona fides. He spent a lifetime working for Conservatives... And somehow never had to be a blustering idiot in order to get things done.
A lot of people accuse the Conservatives here for the Bushes and for McAin't and Romney - Saying that is what we prefer to their idiot king. That has never been the case.
If Republicans were lifting up the likes of Duncan Hunter, I would still be a Republican.
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No kidding. But that is not a reason to follow a liberal lout from NYC.
Duncan Hunter Sr comes to mind... No one can accuse him of being other than a gentleman in his posture, and no one can question his Conservative bona fides. He spent a lifetime working for Conservatives... And somehow never had to be a blustering idiot in order to get things done.
A lot of people accuse the Conservatives here for the Bushes and for McAin't and Romney - Saying that is what we prefer to their idiot king. That has never been the case.
If Republicans were lifting up the likes of Duncan Hunter, I would still be a Republican.
@roamer_1
Yeah,because the survival of America as an independent nation is all about YOU,right?
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He's the President of the United States...supposedly the most powerful position on the planet...he has the ability...should he choose to call the Speaker and the Majority leader into his office and tell them to get his damn agenda passed.
But time and again on key issues he either punts or gets people like you to try to convince us that a half measure is really better than what he promised originally...or as you so lamely stated just now...blame others for his inactivity. Your pathetic "both parties have conspired" line.
He's more interested in Twitter and using it to belittle and bully people instead of using the bully pulpit of his office to make the changes necessary...the changes he said he would make "day one in office".
There's been a few little victories...but on the major issues...the things that got him elected...people are still waiting on him to do something.
And that time for him to get those things done so he can go to the American people and say "I told you I would do it and I did...this is why you should re-elect me"...comes to an end next month.
Maybe I'm wrong...maybe he's a better counter puncher and prefers the underdog role and once Pelosi is trying to give us Obama's America v.2 he WILL call in McConnell and McCarthy and work out a strategy to get things done despite opposition in the House.
But he's given little indication he's making adjustments to his strategy going forward after losing the House.
And the leadership has every right to tell him to pound sand, because it's Congress who sets the agenda (or fails to), and it's POTUS' job to execute what he's given or veto.
One of the best things I can say about trump's presidency is that he hasn't been pushing the executive branch as supreme.
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@roamer_1
Yeah,because the survival of America as an independent nation is all about YOU,right?
Yup.
(https://lukascondie.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/quote-since-pacifists-have-more-freedom-of-action-in-countries-where-traces-of-democracy-survive-george-orwell-257209.jpg)
(http://americandigest.org/quote-George-Orwell-the-quickest-way-of-ending-a-war-50505.jpg)
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Of course it isn't all hat, no cattle. Of course it isn't boasting about moral superiority. Of course it isn't doing nothing to stop what's going on.
Of course it isn't a stained-glass poseur.
But you knew that.
So why did you ask? :shrug:
Because I was wondering if you do. Tick-tock, we have run out of time to fix this country. We do it now or it falls.
On that note, I see one individual wanting to do the things to fix it, including calling in the Dem leadership and being forceful about the wall among other things.
The only person.
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No kidding. But that is not a reason to follow a liberal lout from NYC.
Duncan Hunter Sr comes to mind... No one can accuse him of being other than a gentleman in his posture, and no one can question his Conservative bona fides. He spent a lifetime working for Conservatives... And somehow never had to be a blustering idiot in order to get things done.
A lot of people accuse the Conservatives here for the Bushes and for McAin't and Romney - Saying that is what we prefer to their idiot king. That has never been the case.
If Republicans were lifting up the likes of Duncan Hunter, I would still be a Republican.
I hear you, but what did he achieve?
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I hear you, but what did he achieve?
Look at his record... I am surprised I even need to say that out loud...
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Because I was wondering if you do. Tick-tock, we have run out of time to fix this country. We do it now or it falls.
On that note, I see one individual wanting to do the things to fix it, including calling in the Dem leadership and being forceful about the wall among other things.
The only person.
If you knew a single thing about me, then you knew I knew.
But we don't "fix the country" by relying on a narcissist who doesn't even know what the country is about because he, according to his own words, "doesn't read."
I agree that time is running out........ or perhaps am more pessimistic in believing it has already run out. But we took the test in 2016 and failed because we turned to a liberal populist to solve the problems we only had because we abandoned Conservatism.
I believe the only way this country can be saved is through another Great Awakening and a recognition that the nation's survival is dependent on a return to First Principles.
It is certainly not being saved by a guy who knows nothing about anything and only loves himself.
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No kidding. But that is not a reason to follow a liberal lout from NYC.
Duncan Hunter Sr comes to mind... No one can accuse him of being other than a gentleman in his posture, and no one can question his Conservative bona fides. He spent a lifetime working for Conservatives... And somehow never had to be a blustering idiot in order to get things done.
A lot of people accuse the Conservatives here for the Bushes and for McAin't and Romney - Saying that is what we prefer to their idiot king. That has never been the case.
If Republicans were lifting up the likes of Duncan Hunter, I would still be a Republican.
We could be a crowd of two...because I agree. (I really like DH)
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McClintock in California is a good example of squandering opportunities and the consequences. McClintock had a proven conservative track record and was a man with a plan when he ran for governor. Gray Davis the then current governor was very unpopular and the chances for a Republican were very good. And then stepped Schwarzenegger. A man everyone knew the name of. Lots of glitter and shine with good one liners - but no depth, no conservative principles. No history of governing anything. Conservative by Hollywood standards only which isn't saying much.
Arnold sucked the life out of McClintock and went on to win the governorship. Arnold went green for his legacy and lost his backbone. He was the last "Republican" governor of California. Why elect and imitation liberal when you can have the real thing with a Democrat. Conservatives were tarnished with Arnold's results.
Trump is just a repeat of that on a national scale. He is likely to cause the same consequences. As long as voters choose flash, zing and one liners over substance based on principles we'll keep getting more of the same while America sinks.
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I'm simply amazed that folks are still arguing the liberal versus conservative crap when talking about President Trump. The election of 2016 had nothing to do with "conservatism" .... voters had and have no patience for the nuanced preaching and finger pointing that has come to define modern conservatism. Sorry guys, but it was not even on the ballot.
The election of 2016 was about America ... it was America versus entrenched corruption and America versus Globalism.
The voters chose America. And if you'd get past yourselves, you'd see how very conservative the voters are and the President is, to the best of his astonishing ability, trying to govern.
The 80's are over so stop with the conservative label bullshit already. If you must rage, rage against the boot on the President's neck. If you can't bring yourselves to do this, then in the name of God, at least stop whining about Donald Trump.
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McClintock in California is a good example of squandering opportunities and the consequences. McClintock had a proven conservative track record and was a man with a plan when he ran for governor. Gray Davis the then current governor was very unpopular and the chances for a Republican were very good. And then stepped Schwarzenegger. A man everyone knew the name of. Lots of glitter and shine with good one liners - but no depth, no conservative principles. No history of governing anything. Conservative by Hollywood standards only which isn't saying much.
Arnold sucked the life out of McClintock and went on to win the governorship. Arnold went green for his legacy and lost his backbone. He was the last "Republican" governor of California. Why elect and imitation liberal when you can have the real thing with a Democrat. Conservatives were tarnished with Arnold's results.
Trump is just a repeat of that on a national scale. He is likely to cause the same consequences. As long as voters choose flash, zing and one liners over substance based on principles we'll keep getting more of the same while America sinks.
Sure there may have been a lot of glitz, but after the eight-year reign of terror that was Obastard, people just wanted a fellow who could beat Hillary Clinton. In their view, Shwarzz would have been better than Hillary Clinton. Sometimes all we can do on this train is just ride it. I'm not happy, either.
So far, more good than bad, but the real trial of that is coming us after the end of the month when the Rats run the House. Trump could go full retard on us.
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The voters chose America.
They think they did. May that prove out, please! :0001:
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They think they did. May that prove out, please! :0001:
We did, no question about it.
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They think they did. May that prove out, please! :0001:
@Cyber Liberty
Hell its a victory...at least she’s finally past the charade that he’s a conservative. Now she’s saying he’s AMERICAN!!! But, what pray tell does that mean, I wonder, if it’s an America that is not anchored in her founding conservative principles? Hmmm.
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The voters chose America.
The voters chose unbridled corruption and the sellout of America. It was the States that chose America.
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@Cyber Liberty
Hell its a victory...at least she’s finally past the charade that he’s a conservative. Now she’s saying he’s AMERICAN!!! But, what pray tell does that mean, I wonder, if it’s an America that is not anchored in her founding conservative principles? Hmmm.
Antifa claims to be Americans, too. It's a term rather sloppily defined.
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@roamer_1
Yeah,because the survival of America as an independent nation is all about YOU,right?
No. it's all about the principles of Conservatism. Just like always.
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I agree that time is running out........ or perhaps am more pessimistic in believing it has already run out. But we took the test in 2016 and failed because we turned to a liberal populist to solve the problems we only had because we abandoned Conservatism.
I believe the only way this country can be saved is through another Great Awakening and a recognition that the nation's survival is dependent on a return to First Principles.
BOOM!
Exactly right.
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We could be a crowd of two...because I agree. (I really like DH)
Then I am in the BEST of company!
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Yup.
NOPE. I am no pacifist. And it is you that is ending the war.
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The election of 2016 had nothing to do with "conservatism"
Exactly right. So quit trying to pass it off as if it were.
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McClintock in California is a good example of squandering opportunities and the consequences. McClintock had a proven conservative track record and was a man with a plan when he ran for governor. Gray Davis the then current governor was very unpopular and the chances for a Republican were very good. And then stepped Schwarzenegger. A man everyone knew the name of. Lots of glitter and shine with good one liners - but no depth, no conservative principles. No history of governing anything. Conservative by Hollywood standards only which isn't saying much.
Arnold sucked the life out of McClintock and went on to win the governorship. Arnold went green for his legacy and lost his backbone. He was the last "Republican" governor of California. Why elect and imitation liberal when you can have the real thing with a Democrat. Conservatives were tarnished with Arnold's results.
Trump is just a repeat of that on a national scale. He is likely to cause the same consequences. As long as voters choose flash, zing and one liners over substance based on principles we'll keep getting more of the same while America sinks.
YEP
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@Cyber Liberty
Hell its a victory...at least she’s finally past the charade that he’s a conservative. Now she’s saying he’s AMERICAN!!! But, what pray tell does that mean, I wonder, if it’s an America that is not anchored in her founding conservative principles? Hmmm.
Calm yourself down @Axeslinger and reread my post. The only charade that has been exposed is the political label "conservative". It is meaningless in today's political world. It has come to be known as the politics of a group of aging didactic, religious zealots who have no plan for America's future. And if they could talk a plan into existence, they'd not have the energy or strategic wherewithal to implement it. So stop whining about someone not being "conservative" enough. It is meaningless. And stop whining about not having enough "conservatives" in office. No one wants them and what they've become.
If you'd move your gaze from your rearview mirror you might be able to see that the awful, dirty "populism" has absorbed the best of conservatism. The principles Americans voted for were smaller government, beating back deep-state corruption, fair trade, the right to American sovereignty, including the rule of law in immigration; a strong military, constitutionalist judges, the 2nd Amendment, the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
It's not called "conservatism". It's called Americanism. America's best principles first.
So move the hell out of the 80's and get on the damn train --- before it backs up and runs over you again.
@roamer_1 too.
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The election of 2016 had nothing to do with "conservatism"
Exactly right. So quit trying to pass it off as if it were.
CORRECTAMUNDO!
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The 80's are over so stop with the conservative label bullshit already.
I guess that explains why you were so quick to defend people like Kushner, Flynn, and Cohen, after the office raid. All three are Democrats.
If you must rage, rage against the boot on the President's neck.
JHC.... *****rollingeyes*****
Are you trying to convince me the NY street fighter has a boot on his neck?
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If you'd move your gaze from your rearview mirror you might be able to see that the awful, dirty "populism" has absorbed the best of conservatism.
No, it has not. Call it pragmatism or populism, it is a charade.
The principles Americans voted for were smaller government, beating back deep-state corruption, fair trade, the right to American sovereignty, including the rule of law in immigration; a strong military, constitutionalist judges, the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
No, you voted on a paper mache version thereof, because none of it will happen without the very principles needed to attain those things.
It's not called "conservatism". It's called Americanism. America's best principles first.
You can call it anything you like - Just like all the hyphenated 'conservatism' that came before you that spat upon the truth.
So move the hell out of the 80's and get on the damn train --- before it backs up and runs over you again.
Screw your damn train. I know where it's going. The same place populism always goes.
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It's not called "conservatism". It's called Americanism. America's best principles first.
So move the hell out of the 80's and get on the damn train --- before it backs up and runs over you again.
Perhaps you should move the hell out of the 30's and stop peddling that Nuremberg nonsense.
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JHC.... *****rollingeyes*****
Are you trying to convince me the NY street fighter has a boot on his neck?
:silly: :silly: :silly:
He fights *****rollingeyes*****
:silly:
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Calm yourself down @Axeslinger and reread my post. The only charade that has been exposed is the political label "conservative". It is meaningless in today's political world. It has come to be known as the politics of a group of aging didactic, religious zealots who have no plan for America's future. And if they could talk a plan into existence, they'd not have the energy or strategic wherewithal to implement it. So stop whining about someone not being "conservative" enough. It is meaningless. And stop whining about not having enough "conservatives" in office. No one wants them and what they've become.
If you'd move your gaze from your rearview mirror you might be able to see that the awful, dirty "populism" has absorbed the best of conservatism. The principles Americans voted for were smaller government, beating back deep-state corruption, fair trade, the right to American sovereignty, including the rule of law in immigration; a strong military, constitutionalist judges, the 2nd Amendment, the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
It's not called "conservatism". It's called Americanism. America's best principles first.
So move the hell out of the 80's and get on the damn train --- before it backs up and runs over you again.
@roamer_1 too.
@Right_in_Virginia
Call it whatever you want. Just because you don’t have the intellectual honesty to adhere to the principles of the founders conservatism and choose to be a malleable squish, please don’t be so presumptuous as to assume the rest of us have your lack of principles.
Carry on and take your nauseating condescension with you.
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I'm simply amazed that folks are still arguing the liberal versus conservative crap when talking about President Trump. The election of 2016 had nothing to do with "conservatism" .... voters had and have no patience for the nuanced preaching and finger pointing that has come to define modern conservatism. Sorry guys, but it was not even on the ballot.
The election of 2016 was about America ... it was America versus entrenched corruption and America versus Globalism.
The voters chose America. And if you'd get past yourselves, you'd see how very conservative the voters are and the President is, to the best of his astonishing ability, trying to govern.
The 80's are over so stop with the conservative label bullshit already. If you must rage, rage against the boot on the President's neck. If you can't bring yourselves to do this, then in the name of God, at least stop whining about Donald Trump.
Maybe I'm remembering wrong, didn't the majority of the voters vote for HRC?
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The 80's are over
What'chu Talkin' 'Bout Willis? The 80's will live FOREVER!!!!!!
Sorry... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GllSfiwCEtY#)
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@Right_in_Virginia
Call it whatever you want. Just because you don’t have the intellectual honesty to adhere to the principles of the founders conservatism and choose to be a malleable squish, please don’t be so presumptuous as to assume the rest of us have your lack of principles.
Carry on and take your nauseating condescension with you.
Thank you so much for that. These Trump populists are pretty full of themselves.
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What'chu Talkin' 'Bout Willis? The 80's will live FOREVER!!!!!!
Sorry... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GllSfiwCEtY#)
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR3Yv7EDVjdlNLLImpk_XWE_PljprHKQosilK6B50xqhEiTyyqnxQ)
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Thank you so much for that. These Trump populists are pretty full of themselves.
And why shouldn't we? Watching you come in here day in, day out slogging away trying to convince us we are wrong.
How's that working out for ya?
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@Chosen Daughter
I disagree. They are by far the most dangerous. They fund most of the Islamic terrorism. IIRC,15 of the 17 terrorists that were involved in crashing airliners into buildings were from Saudi Arabia. Not only that,but it was Saudi Arabia that got Boy Jorge to invade Iraq to take down Saddam Hussein. He was never a danger to us,but he was a definite danger to the Sauds.
The fact that the Crown Prince and Boy Jorge loved swapping spit and possibly other body fluids does nothing to change this.
IRAN
Designated as a State Sponsor of Terrorism in 1984, Iran continued its terrorist-related activity in 2017, including support for Lebanese Hizballah (LH), Palestinian terrorist groups in Gaza, and various groups in Syria, Iraq, and throughout the Middle East. Iran used the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps-Qods Force (IRGC-QF) to provide support to terrorist organizations, provide cover for associated covert operations, and create instability in the Middle East. Iran has acknowledged the involvement of the IRGC-QF in both of the conflicts in Iraq and Syria, and the IRGC-QF is Iran’s primary mechanism for cultivating and supporting terrorists abroad. Iran uses regional proxy forces to provide sufficient deniability to shield it from the consequences of its aggressive policies.
In 2017, Iran supported various Iraqi Shia terrorist groups, including Kata’ib Hizballah. It also bolstered the Assad regime in Syria. Iran views the Assad regime in Syria as a crucial ally and Syria and Iraq as crucial routes to supply weapons to LH, Iran’s primary terrorist group ally. Through financial or residency enticements, Iran has facilitated and coerced primarily Shia fighters from Afghanistan and Pakistan to participate in the Assad regime’s brutal crackdown in Syria. Iranian-supported Shia militias in Iraq have also committed serious human rights abuses against primarily Sunni civilians. Iranian forces have directly backed militia operations in Syria with armored vehicles, artillery, and drones.
Since the end of the 2006 Israeli-Lebanese Hizballah conflict, Iran has supplied LH with thousands of rockets, missiles, and small arms, in direct violation of UNSCR 1701. Iran has also provided hundreds of millions of dollars in support of LH and has trained thousands of its fighters at camps in Iran. Lebanese Hizballah fighters have been used extensively in Syria to support the Assad regime. In Bahrain, Iran has continued to provide weapons, support, and training to local Shia militant groups. In March 2017, the Department of State designated two individuals affiliated with the Bahrain-based al-Ashtar Brigades (AAB), which receives funding and support from the Government of Iran, as Specially Designated Global Terrorists under Executive Order 13224.
Iran continued to provide weapons, training, and funding to Hamas and other Palestinian terrorist groups, including Palestine Islamic Jihad and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine-General Command. These Palestinian terrorist groups have been behind a number of deadly attacks originating in Gaza and the West Bank, including attacks against Israeli civilians and Egyptian security forces in the Sinai Peninsula.
The Iranian government maintains a robust offensive cyber program and has sponsored cyberattacks against foreign government and private sector entities.
Iran remained unwilling to bring to justice senior al-Qa’ida (AQ) members residing in Iran and has refused to publicly identify the members in its custody. Iran has allowed AQ facilitators to operate a core facilitation pipeline through Iran since at least 2009, enabling AQ to move funds and fighters to South Asia and Syria.
https://www.state.gov/j/ct/rls/crt/2017/282847.htm (https://www.state.gov/j/ct/rls/crt/2017/282847.htm)
April 17, 2018 | Policy Brief
State Sponsors of Terrorism: An Examination of Iran’s Global Terrorism Network
Emanuele Ottolenghi
Senior Fellow
Read the full testimony here.
INTRODUCTION
Chairman King, Ranking Member Rice, thank you for the opportunity to testify on behalf of the Foundation for Defense of Democracies and its Center on Sanctions and Illicit Finance.
Since its establishment, the Islamic Republic of Iran has viewed Latin America as a fertile ground for the export of its revolution. Tehran wants the Western Hemisphere to become a hotbed of anti-Americanism and a forward operating base for Iran. To this end, over nearly four decades, Tehran has built a network of mosques and cultural centers across the region. It aggressively expanded its base of supporters and sympathizers by dispatching itinerant preachers, who have successfully converted and radicalized thousands of Latin Americans to Iran’s version of Shi’a Islam. Iran has also helped Hezbollah establish itself as the dominant force among expatriate Shi’a Lebanese communities in the region. Hezbollah clerics and emissaries have taken control of their religious and communal institutions such as mosques, schools, cultural associations, and youth movements.
Where and when needed, these networks can also be activated to provide logistical and financial support to operatives engaged in planning terror attacks, safe haven for fugitives, and a source of revenue and illicit procurement for both the Iranian regime and Hezbollah itself.
In recent years, Hezbollah’s Latin American networks have also increasingly cooperated with violent drug cartels and criminal syndicates, often with the assistance of local corrupt political elites. Cooperation includes laundering of drug money; arranging multi-ton shipments of cocaine to the United States and Europe; and directly distributing and selling illicit substances to distant markets. Proceeds from these activities finance Hezbollah’s arms procurement; its terror activities overseas; its hold on Lebanon’s political system; and its efforts, both in Lebanon and overseas, to keep Shi’a communities loyal to its cause and complicit in its endeavors.
This toxic crime-terror nexus is fueling both the rising threat of global jihadism and the collapse of law and order across Latin America that is helping drive drugs and people northward into the United States.
https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2018/04/17/state-sponsors-of-terrorism-an-examination-of-irans-global-terrorism-network-2/ (https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2018/04/17/state-sponsors-of-terrorism-an-examination-of-irans-global-terrorism-network-2/)
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Sorry... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtVqqyLt8Y4#)
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"We will not turn back or sound retreat."
Amen Ronnie, amen! :amen:
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And why shouldn't we? Watching you come in here day in, day out slogging away trying to convince us we are wrong.
How's that working out for ya?
Which us? The us, us? Or the you us?
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Thank you so much for that. These Trump populists are pretty full of themselves.
Four more days like today, and the much ballyhooed Trump bull market will have evaporated.
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Four more days like today, and the much ballyhooed Trump bull market will have evaporated.
A perfect storm of Democrat turmoil in DC, tariffs swirling around, interest rate increasing and record deficit spending... International affairs are major mess... China and Russia are feeling adventurous... And Trump babbling about who knows what on Twitter... No certainty anywhere...
Business hates uncertainty.
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@Right_in_Virginia
Call it whatever you want. Just because you don’t have the intellectual honesty to adhere to the principles of the founders conservatism and choose to be a malleable squish, please don’t be so presumptuous as to assume the rest of us have your lack of principles.
Carry on and take your nauseating condescension with you.
It's not condescension @Axeslinger I'm trying to tell you conservative principles are alive and well .... they're over here and in the Oval Office. The strongest believers in America's best principles First are the millions who pulled the lever for Donald Trump in spite of the ridicule and sanctimonious judgment they had to slog through to reach the polls.
I think it's more condescending to embrace conservative values only if they're wrapped in puritanical self-righteousness.
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Thank you so much for that. These Trump populists are pretty full of themselves.
Another quintessentially vapid comment @Chosen Daughter Well done, you're on a roll.
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Perhaps you should move the hell out of the 30's and stop peddling that Nuremberg nonsense.
Perhaps you should read a book. Warning: the first time is always the most difficult.
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NOPE. I am no pacifist. And it is you that is ending the war.
Yup again, it's MY fault for Ending the War by Sitting on the Sidelines with Both Thumbs Up My ###.
Keep talking.
You may find a point in that pile at Some point.
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No, it has not. Call it pragmatism or populism, it is a charade.
No, you voted on a paper mache version thereof, because none of it will happen without the very principles needed to attain those things.
You can call it anything you like - Just like all the hyphenated 'conservatism' that came before you that spat upon the truth.
Screw your damn train. I know where it's going. The same place populism always goes.
Conservatism as a viable political vehicle has stalled and will soon start to rust. Conservative principles, however, are moving forward on the Trump train. Learn to love it @roamer_1
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Are you trying to convince me the NY street fighter has a boot on his neck?
Yes. And only a NY street fighter would still stand. Be grateful.
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It's not condescension @Axeslinger I'm trying to tell you conservative principles are alive and well .... they're over here and in the Oval Office. The strongest believers in America's best principles First are the millions who pulled the lever for Donald Trump in spite of the ridicule and sanctimonious judgment they had to slog through to reach the polls.
I think it's more condescending to embrace conservative values only if they're wrapped in puritanical self-righteousness.
Amen, sister! :patriot:
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Yes. And only a NY street fighter would still stand. Be grateful.
I think I’m more impressed by Mueller’s flexibility.
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I think I’m more impressed by Mueller’s flexibility.
With how he works within the guidelines of the law to get people like Flynn? I agree.
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Conservatism as a viable political vehicle has stalled and will soon start to rust. Conservative principles, however, are moving forward on the Trump train. Learn to love it @roamer_1
OK, I'll bite...which conservative principles are moving forward on the Trump Train? I think you've confused "conservative" with "populist" and/or "nationalist".
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It's not condescension @Axeslinger I'm trying to tell you conservative principles are alive and well .... they're over here and in the Oval Office.
In other words, you got caught telling the truth, but you are now trying to lie your way out of it.
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With how he works within the guidelines of the law to get people like Flynn? I agree.
"Ambassador"?
Crap, TBR is turning into TOS, but without the incessant Freepathons.
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"Ambassador"?
Crap, TBR is turning into TOS, but without the incessant Freepathons.
Well, now that you say that.......if you could spare a few dollars to donate to the site it would be appreciated. I know it is a tough time a year for giving, but without your generous giving Rim Job Mystery will die and the Communists will take over the internet.
(https://laughingsquid.com/wp-content/uploads/lightning-cat-20100422-160026.jpg)
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The only charade that has been exposed is the political label "conservative". It is meaningless in today's political world. It has come to be known as the politics of a group of aging didactic, religious zealots who have no plan for America's future. And if they could talk a plan into existence, they'd not have the energy or strategic wherewithal to implement it. So stop whining about someone not being "conservative" enough. It is meaningless. And stop whining about not having enough "conservatives" in office. No one wants them and what they've become.
If you'd move your gaze from your rearview mirror you might be able to see that the awful, dirty "populism" has absorbed the best of conservatism. The principles Americans voted for were smaller government, beating back deep-state corruption, fair trade, the right to American sovereignty, including the rule of law in immigration; a strong military, constitutionalist judges, the 2nd Amendment, the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
It's not called "conservatism". It's called Americanism. America's best principles first.
So move the hell out of the 80's and get on the damn train --- before it backs up and runs over you again.
I agree with this, @Right_in_Virginia Well said. But (and you knew there'd be a but) you aren't addressing the premise of the opening post, which is that the promise of Trump's brilliant fusion of conservatism with Americanism is being squandered by Trump himself, who continues with his absurd government-by-improvisation.
The time has come to recognize that Trumpism, as a valid and viable formula for winning elections and moving this nation forward, is threatened by Trump the man. I am not alone in predicting that, ultimately, Trump will recognize this and decline to run for a second term, thereby creating the opportunity for the fusion he pioneered to move forward, and create a permanent alternative to the Democrats' socialism.
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Krauthammer was one of the greatest (in our time) @TomSea still miss him.
@corbe
Kraut was one of a kind - saw his son a few days ago and you would know Kraut is his father; he looks like a young man Kraut.
Kraut was a college student and was in a swimming accident that put him in a wheelchair the rest of his life. Greg Abbott, Texas Governor, was a college student out for a run when a tree fell on him that put him in a wheelchair the rest of his life. Both of them did not let a wheelchair stop them. Abbott became a lawyer, then Texas Attorney General, now Governor. Kraut stayed in college, became a doctor, then specialized in psychiatry.
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@corbe
Kraut was one of a kind - saw his son a few days ago and you would know Kraut is his father; he looks like a young man Kraut.
Kraut was a college student and was in a car accident that put him in a wheelchair the rest of his life. Greg Abbott, Texas Governor, was a college student out for a run when a tree fell on him that put him in a wheelchair the rest of his life. Both of them did not let a wheelchair stop them. Abbott became a lawyer, then Texas Attorney General, now Governor. Kraut stayed in college, became a doctor, then specialized in psychiatry.
Kraut was a swimming accident. I saw the Bio FNC did on him. And his work after that has been phenomenal.
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I agree with this, @Right_in_Virginia Well said. But (and you knew there'd be a but) you aren't addressing the premise of the opening post, which is that the promise of Trump's brilliant fusion of conservatism with Americanism is being squandered by Trump himself, who continues with his absurd government-by-improvisation.
The time has come to recognize that Trumpism, as a valid and viable formula for winning elections and moving this nation forward, is threatened by Trump the man. I am not alone in predicting that, ultimately, Trump will recognize this and decline to run for a second term, thereby creating the opportunity for the fusion he pioneered to move forward, and create a permanent alternative to the Democrats' socialism.
Making the field safe for Kasich.
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Kraut was a swimming accident. I saw the Bio FNC did on him. And his work after that has been phenomenal.
Yep. Diving into a pool.
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Yup again, it's MY fault for Ending the War by Sitting on the Sidelines with Both Thumbs Up My ###.
Indeed y'all are... Compromise and pragmatism is what you are backing. I am backing the very same things I always have, The self same Principles of Conservatism that have always driven me. not a one of which is present in your movement (I chose that last word just for you, in consideration of your last reply).
If you want me off the 'sidelines', then show me Conservatism (which you can't)... And in the mean time, I will fold up my tent, as I have no dog in this hunt, and serve Conservatism else-wise.
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Making the field safe for Kasich.
Kasich has no future in the GOP. He wants to run as an independent, hoping to siphon off votes from centrists in both parties.
Are you suggesting that no one except Trump can carry the mantle of his fusion of conservatism and Americanism?
My own schoolboy crush of the moment is Nikki Haley - a respected, experienced politician with the capacity to inspire, who served the Trump administration well.
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But we don't "fix the country" by relying on a narcissist who doesn't even know what the country is about because he, according to his own words, "doesn't read."
It is certainly not being saved by a guy who knows nothing about anything and only loves himself.
@musiclady
Because he doesn't read tells me he has dyslexia and can barely read. I believe his young son is the same. He says he gets the news by watching TV programs. I read he keeps the TV on during the day to keep up with news. That is how he knows which news people think differently than he does, then he starts his twitter attacks on the media in general and individual news people and those making the news.
@musiclady, I know you are a smart person - you undoubtedly read every day - how would you make it in life if you didn't read? You would, perhaps, do as the president, and keep the TV on so you would hear the news since you "didn't want" to read it. That gives you the news, but doesn't help you learn how to do tasks. If your parents left you a lot of money, you could hire people to do the tasks you don't know how to do since you can't read.
Statements like, "I didn't like reading", "I don't like reading", are excuses people use when they can't read.
Two grown men, separately, told me why they didn't read. The first one couldn't read enough to keep up with his elementary school class, so he was held back in school one year. He said, "I didn't like reading so I didn't. Now, in my business, I have to read and write." That man depends on his smart wife to keep his business going. The other man said, "Boys don't like to read, so I didn't." He couldn't make it in college because he couldn't read well enough to pass, so he joined the military. Both those men had a learning disability, and made up reasons why they didn't read.
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Conservatism as a viable political vehicle has stalled and will soon start to rust. Conservative principles, however, are moving forward on the Trump train. Learn to love it @roamer_1
No they aren't. You cannot name a single principle thing present in this mess. As I said before, this is nothing other than the same tired hyphenated 'conservatism' as those fetid Bushes y'all supposedly abhor. Redefining truth makes it no longer truth. And liberal Republicans are no better at that redefinition than the moderates were - They just spend way more.
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OK, I'll bite...which conservative principles are moving forward on the Trump Train? I think you've confused "conservative" with "populist" and/or "nationalist".
Oh, I can't wait to hear this...
:2popcorn:
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Kasich has no future in the GOP. He wants to run as an independent, hoping to siphon off votes from centrists in both parties.
Are you suggesting that no one except Trump can carry the mantle of his fusion of conservatism and Americanism?
My own schoolboy crush of the moment is Nikki Haley - a respected, experienced politician with the capacity to inspire, who served the Trump administration well.
@Jazzhead, what is it about Nikki Haley's beliefs that you particularly like?
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Oh, I can't wait to hear this...
:2popcorn:
Yeah, I'm sort of interested in that answer myself. :2popcorn:
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Maybe I'm remembering wrong, didn't the majority of the voters vote for HRC?
plurality*
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Making the field safe for Kasich.
@Cyber Liberty
Kasich is a good man. He is a Christian and he can read. He would want to do what is best for the country rather than what is best for him. He is thoughtful before he acts. He gave us the last two balanced budgets - we have none after he left congress. I remember being sad he was leaving; we were losing our budget man.
Nikki Haley is a good woman. She is the best choice if a woman runs.
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Kraut was a swimming accident. I saw the Bio FNC did on him. And his work after that has been phenomenal.
@Cyber Liberty
Thanks for correcting me. I changed it on my post. I saw, probably on Fox, Kraut speaking about his life; think that was him speaking about his book at that time.
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@Jazzhead, what is it about Nikki Haley's beliefs that you particularly like?
I admire her acumen and skill as a forceful advocate for American interests in the U.N. I think she can expand the coalition that Trump assembled, by combining Trump's Americanism with class rather than crass.
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It's not condescension @Axeslinger I'm trying to tell you conservative principles are alive and well .... they're over here and in the Oval Office. The strongest believers in America's best principles First are the millions who pulled the lever for Donald Trump in spite of the ridicule and sanctimonious judgment they had to slog through to reach the polls.
I think it's more condescending to embrace conservative values only if they're wrapped in puritanical self-righteousness.
Not Conservatism. Trump fills his positions with liberals. He is Reform Party. He just ran on Republican ticket because he knew he couldn't win on third party. And he can still get the support but if he doesn't stop the flow of illegal aliens he will loose in 2020. He also needs to defund planned parenthood, and get a handle on expanding debt. He is right that the wall would pay for itself. 5 Billion is nothing compared to how much we spend on illegal immigrants in this country.
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I admire her acumen and skill as a forceful advocate for American interests in the U.N. I think she can expand the coalition that Trump assembled, by combining Trump's Americanism with class rather than crass.
She lost me with her Kushner comments. I don't care how brilliant you think a person is. He is liberal, and he is family. I absolutely do not agree with the family situation Trump has created.
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But what is character? Lot's of talk but no action? All hat no cattle? I see all sorts in DC boasting about their character and moral superiority, always posturing as above reproach, but either doing nothing to stop what's going on, or aiding it with their bizarro upside down world view.
Character is not a stained-glass poseur.
@Free Vulcan character is what you do when no one is looking.
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Maybe I'm remembering wrong, didn't the majority of the voters vote for HRC?
HRC won the popular vote and that is why the DEMS want to revamp the electoral college.
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Calm yourself down @Axeslinger and reread my post. The only charade that has been exposed is the political label "conservative". It is meaningless in today's political world. It has come to be known as the politics of a group of aging didactic, religious zealots who have no plan for America's future. And if they could talk a plan into existence, they'd not have the energy or strategic wherewithal to implement it. So stop whining about someone not being "conservative" enough. It is meaningless. And stop whining about not having enough "conservatives" in office. No one wants them and what they've become.
If you'd move your gaze from your rearview mirror you might be able to see that the awful, dirty "populism" has absorbed the best of conservatism. The principles Americans voted for were smaller government, beating back deep-state corruption, fair trade, the right to American sovereignty, including the rule of law in immigration; a strong military, constitutionalist judges, the 2nd Amendment, the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
It's not called "conservatism". It's called Americanism. America's best principles first.
So move the hell out of the 80's and get on the damn train --- before it backs up and runs over you again.
@roamer_1 too.
@Right_in_Virginia I’ve said it before; it needs be said again. YOU ROCK!
Put this to rest. Donald Trump has not failed his voters, nor will he fail if he continues as he has last three years.
What Trump promised his voters is that if they would elect him, he would work hard to achieve the conservative things he promised in the campaign. And by every objective standard he has worked tirelessly since then on those promises and has accomplished much despite tremendous opposition. I’ve never seen a man of his age work as hard. Compare that to Obama. That slacker never earned one day of his presidential (or senatorial) salary.
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plurality*
Majority - The greater number.
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@Free Vulcan character is what you do when no one is looking.
Character is either having integrity or lacking integrity.
We had a wonderful neighbor that used to live across from us; an agreement to him was looking someone in the eye and a simple handshake between two people and you didn't dare go back that handshake. You would like in shame and people would know that you couldn't be trusted.
What happened to those days?
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I admire her acumen and skill as a forceful advocate for American interests in the U.N. I think she can expand the coalition that Trump assembled, by combining Trump's Americanism with class rather than crass.
But, her beliefs? Because that's what will be used, should she be elected to anything again. Not her style or persona, but her beliefs.
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Calm yourself down @Axeslinger and reread my post. The only charade that has been exposed is the political label "conservative". It is meaningless in today's political world. It has come to be known as the politics of a group of aging didactic, religious zealots who have no plan for America's future. And if they could talk a plan into existence, they'd not have the energy or strategic wherewithal to implement it. So stop whining about someone not being "conservative" enough. It is meaningless. And stop whining about not having enough "conservatives" in office. No one wants them and what they've become.
If you'd move your gaze from your rearview mirror you might be able to see that the awful, dirty "populism" has absorbed the best of conservatism. The principles Americans voted for were smaller government, beating back deep-state corruption, fair trade, the right to American sovereignty, including the rule of law in immigration; a strong military, constitutionalist judges, the 2nd Amendment, the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
It's not called "conservatism". It's called Americanism. America's best principles first.
So move the hell out of the 80's and get on the damn train --- before it backs up and runs over you again.
@roamer_1 too.
Conservatism is adhering to the Constitution and the principles upon which this country was founded. To deviate from that is why the hell this country is in the position its in.
Americanism is having pride in one's country and doing what's best for her.
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@Right_in_Virginia I’ve said it before; it needs be said again. YOU ROCK!
Put this to rest. Donald Trump has not failed his voters, nor will he fail if he continues as he has last three years.
What Trump promised his voters is that if they would elect him, he would work hard to achieve the conservative things he promised in the campaign. And by every objective standard he has worked tirelessly since then on those promises and has accomplished much despite tremendous opposition. I’ve never seen a man of his age work as hard. Compare that to Obama. That slacker never earned one day of his presidential (or senatorial) salary.
:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
And thank you, @aligncare happy77
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Majority - The greater number.
I thought, in Electoral terms, a Majority means >50%. Mrs. Clinton did not get >50%.
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@Free Vulcan character is what you do when no one is looking.
@txradioguy
I had to belong to a national organization for counselors. I went to their national conventions to gather hours I had to have to keep my license. That meant all counselors I knew in my area were also there as they needed those hours. A number of them changed into people I didn't know. Some stayed drunk from the time they got there until they left; some of the men were bed hopping and they found women counselors to do that with them. Their true "character" was showing.
One time a man wanted me to do the bed thing. I said, "Sure, if you will pay the bills for my son in college, and pay for my present standard of living." He said, "No, you are too expensive for me." He left to find someone else.
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Indeed y'all are... Compromise and pragmatism is what you are backing. I am backing the very same things I always have, The self same Principles of Conservatism that have always driven me. not a one of which is present in your movement (I chose that last word just for you, in consideration of your last reply).
If you want me off the 'sidelines', then show me Conservatism (which you can't)... And in the mean time, I will fold up my tent, as I have no dog in this hunt, and serve Conservatism else-wise.
This sounds a whole. Lot like another "I Have A Plan" member who couldn't let the cats out of His Plan Bag because I was too stupid to be entrusted with his God Is On My Side pontificating.
And these endless, bloody dog fights of slashing conservatism into two other Bags from Hell called Populism and Nationalism.
Which I don't see fleshed out as more than BAD-isms.
Considering the straits we're all currently in the Ism Schism makes as little sense as getting into an argument in a firefight over whether you need another magazine, clip, or just plain ammo.
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I thought, in Electoral terms, a Majority means >50%. Mrs. Clinton did not get >50%.
That's right, but that's not exactly how I used it. I believe plurality refers to the votes, I was talking about the voters. Need weigh in on this from someone who speaks in more than just grunts and clicks like I do.
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I thought, in Electoral terms, a Majority means >50%. Mrs. Clinton did not get >50%.
@Cyber Liberty
Somewhere I saw the numbers and she did have more votes than he did. What surprised me was it was the east coast and west coast that got her the larger number of votes. I'll see if I can find the numbers again.
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@Cyber Liberty
Somewhere I saw the numbers and she did have more votes than he did. What surprised me was it was the east coast and west coast that got her the larger number of votes. I'll see if I can find the numbers again.
She did get more votes than Trump. The question is, was that a Plurality or a Majority? I'd like to hear from you on this, because you always do better than the grunts and clicks I also do.... :shrug:
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She did get more votes than Trump. The question is, was that a Plurality or a Majority? I'd like to hear from you on this, because you always do better than the grunts and clicks I also do.... :shrug:
It's a majority of the votes between the two of them.
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Considering the straits we're all currently in the Ism Schism makes as little sense as getting into an argument in a firefight over whether you need another magazine, clip, or just plain ammo.
Considering the state we are in, the only remedy is raw, undiluted Conservatism.
Every other thing is doom. and with the current administration, wasting valuable, crucial time... and spending like it's his own money... I guess I'll see you in Venezuela.
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OK, I'll bite...which conservative principles are moving forward on the Trump Train? I think you've confused "conservative" with "populist" and/or "nationalist".
It has been a long time since I have seen utter contempt for Conservatism worded this clearly"
Calm yourself down @Axeslinger and reread my post. The only charade that has been exposed is the political label "conservative". It is meaningless in today's political world. It has come to be known as the politics of a group of aging didactic, religious zealots who have no plan for America's future. And if they could talk a plan into existence, they'd not have the energy or strategic wherewithal to implement it. So stop whining about someone not being "conservative" enough. It is meaningless. And stop whining about not having enough "conservatives" in office. No one wants them and what they've become.
If we are to take this at face value, then there is an absolute disconnect between voicing such contempt while at the same time arguing that we should all jump on board the Trump train because that is where Conservatism resides.
Clearly, the two statements contradict each other.
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It's a majority of the votes between the two of them.
technically a plurality, as there were more than two candidates...
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It's a majority of the votes between the two of them.
Between the two, yes. But the Election was not between the two of them, it was a list of third-Party candidates too. That's why there is a distinction between "Majority" and "Plurality." Maybe it's purely academic, and there's no difference to the distinction?
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It has been a long time since I have seen utter contempt for Conservatism worded this clearly"
If we are to take this at face value, then there is an absolute disconnect between voicing such contempt while at the same time arguing that we should all jump on board the Trump train because that is where Conservatism resides.
Clearly, the two statements contradict each other.
That's a fact.
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She did get more votes than Trump. The question is, was that a Plurality or a Majority?
Hillary did not win a majority of the popular vote. In the history of our country, there have been only seven Democrats who have.
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@Cyber Liberty
Trump 46.4% votes
62,984,825
Clinton 48.5% votes
65,853,516
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Clinton 48.5% votes
65,853,516
I bet it galls Hillary to no end that she got a higher percentage of the popular vote than did her husband.
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@Cyber Liberty
Trump 46.4% votes
62,984,825
Clinton 48.5% votes
65,853,516
Thanks, @Victoria33! @jmyrlefuller is correct:
http://www.ontheissues.org/AskMe/plurality.htm (http://www.ontheissues.org/AskMe/plurality.htm)
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I bet it galls Hillary to no end that she got a higher percentage of the popular vote than did her husband.
And still lost! :happyhappy:
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Thanks, @Victoria33! @jmyrlefuller is correct:
http://www.ontheissues.org/AskMe/plurality.htm (http://www.ontheissues.org/AskMe/plurality.htm)
Not correct with respect to how I worded my sentence that he was correcting. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
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Considering the state we are in, the only remedy is raw, undiluted Conservatism.
Every other thing is doom. and with the current administration, wasting valuable, crucial time... and spending like it's his own money... I guess I'll see you in Venezuela.
@roamer_1, even strict, raw conservatism won't work now, because at least half of the population doesn't understand the situation that we are in and will blame conservatism. We will have to experience the consequences of actions before those people even begin to understand what has been wrought.
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Not correct with respect to how I worded my sentence that he was correcting. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
Far be it for me to ever try to unstick you from a story. I've seen from my life's experience that never ends well... :laugh:
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@roamer_1, even strict, raw conservatism won't work now, because at least half of the population doesn't understand the situation that we are in and will blame conservatism. We will have to experience the consequences of actions before those people even begin to understand what has been wrought.
My advice: Better stock up on toilet paper, dogs and cats. And Zoo animals. :2popcorn:
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Far be it for me to ever try to unstick you from a story. I've seen from my life's experience that never ends well... :laugh:
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My advice: Better stock up on toilet paper, dogs and cats. And Zoo animals. :2popcorn:
Stock on barter items, too. Liquor, cigs, chocolate, etc. That way... if or when the worst case happens... at least you'll have something people want.... to trade for spam and cat food to eat. Oh wait... spam and cat food will be too expensive. Nevermind.
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HRC won the popular vote and that is why the DEMS want to revamp the electoral college.
@libertybele the only time the Dems start talking about doing away with the EC or repealing the 22nd Amendment is with they lose.
You never heard that talk during the 8 years of Obama or when Billy Jeff was president.
They only want to talk about changing the rules when they lose because they think they should win every single election no matter what.
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It has been a long time since I have seen utter contempt for Conservatism worded this clearly"
If we are to take this at face value, then there is an absolute disconnect between voicing such contempt while at the same time arguing that we should all jump on board the Trump train because that is where Conservatism resides.
Clearly, the two statements contradict each other.
@Hoodat that's because people don't understand the difference between populism and conservatism. They think they are interchangeable.
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The principles Americans voted for were smaller government, beating back deep-state corruption, fair trade, the right to American sovereignty, including the rule of law in immigration; a strong military, constitutionalist judges, the 2nd Amendment, the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
Well, you must be doing flips over this…
Trump administration officially bans bump stocks
https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/12/18/politics/bump-stocks-ban/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F (https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/12/18/politics/bump-stocks-ban/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F)
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Well, you must be doing flips over this…
Trump administration officially bans bump stocks
https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/12/18/politics/bump-stocks-ban/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F (https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/12/18/politics/bump-stocks-ban/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F)
He'll be given a free pass as usual.
Those who possess the devices, which make it easier to fire rounds from a semi-automatic weapon by harnessing the gun's recoil to "bump" the trigger faster, will have 90 days to turn in or otherwise destroy them from the date that the final rule is published in the federal register -- likely this Friday -- according to senior DOJ officials.
9999hair out0000
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But, her beliefs? Because that's what will be used, should she be elected to anything again. Not her style or persona, but her beliefs.
I have no problem with Nikki Haley's "beliefs" (i.e., political positions). She's been a member of the S.C. House of Representatives, S.C. governor and U.S. representative to the U.N. Those are impressive credentials. Plus, she wasn't fired by Trump, and left on her own terms.
As for her political positions:
- She's in favor of lower taxes. She voted against a proposed tobacco surcharge. (She voted to increase S.C.'s sales tax, but remember that states need to balance their budgets.)
- She was a good fiscal steward as governor
- She supports school choice and charter schools
- She supports enforcement of the immigration laws, and voted in favor of laws that would require employers to prove that new hires are legal residents, and to require immigrants to carry documentation of legal status.
- She's a strong supporter of the State of Israel
- She supports voter ID laws
- She has a track record of being pro-life, including her signature on a bill that bans abortions after 20 weeks of pregnancy.
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I have no problem with Nikki Haley's "beliefs" (i.e., political positions). She's been a member of the S.C. House of Representatives, S.C. governor and U.S. representative to the U.N. Those are impressive credentials. Plus, she wasn't fired by Trump, and left on her own terms.
As for her political positions:
- She's in favor of lower taxes. She voted against a proposed tobacco surcharge. (She voted to increase S.C.'s sales tax, but remember that states need to balance their budgets.)
- She was a good fiscal steward as governor
- She supports school choice and charter schools
- She supports enforcement of the immigration laws, and voted in favor of laws that would require employers to prove that new hires are legal residents, and to require immigrants to carry documentation of legal status.
- She's a strong supporter of the State of Israel
- She supports voter ID laws
- She has a track record of being pro-life, including her signature on a bill that bans abortions after 20 weeks of pregnancy.
Links??
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He'll be given a free pass as usual.
Those who possess the devices, which make it easier to fire rounds from a semi-automatic weapon by harnessing the gun's recoil to "bump" the trigger faster, will have 90 days to turn in or otherwise destroy them from the date that the final rule is published in the federal register -- likely this Friday -- according to senior DOJ officials.
9999hair out0000
Will that make people who won't comply "Felons?" (Full disclosure: I don't have any, and would not get any because I think "Spray and Pray" is an enormous waste of ammo and money.)
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Will that make people who won't comply "Felons?" (Full disclosure: I don't have any, and would not get any because I think "Spray and Pray" is an enormous waste of ammo and money.)
Is there any way that they gov't knows who has bump stocks? If not ... then the only way to enforce this law is if you're caught having one.
Will this open the door to search of all guns and perhaps seizure to see whether or not they have bump stocks??
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Is there any way that they gov't knows who has bump stocks? If not ... then the only way to enforce this law is if you're caught having one.
Will this open the door to search of all guns and perhaps seizure to see whether or not they have bump stocks??
It better not. But... with the leftists in control, anything is possible. As they have already proven.
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Is there any way that they gov't knows who has bump stocks? If not ... then the only way to enforce this law is if you're caught having one.
Will this open the door to search of all guns and perhaps seizure to see whether or not they have bump stocks??
House Dems eye quick action on guns in new Congress
Advocates of curbing gun violence believe the political landscape has shifted decisively in their favor.
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/12/17/house-democrats-guns-background-checks-1063231 (https://www.politico.com/story/2018/12/17/house-democrats-guns-background-checks-1063231)
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Is there any way that they gov't knows who has bump stocks? If not ... then the only way to enforce this law is if you're caught having one.
Will this open the door to search of all guns and perhaps seizure to see whether or not they have bump stocks??
That's the first problem I have with any "gun (owner) control" law. How far is the gummint willing to go to enforce such a law? The lessons of CA and HI are disturbing in this regard.
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House Dems eye quick action on guns in new Congress
Advocates of curbing gun violence believe the political landscape has shifted decisively in their favor.
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/12/17/house-democrats-guns-background-checks-1063231 (https://www.politico.com/story/2018/12/17/house-democrats-guns-background-checks-1063231)
I expect they will probably get their fingers burned doing that.
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That's the first problem I have with any "gun (owner) control" law. How far is the gummint willing to go to enforce such a law? The lessons of CA and HI are disturbing in this regard.
Indeed. Anyway you cut it, Trump trampled on the 2A! Who knows what the DEMS will do with this. IMHO, Trump just showed his hand.
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I have no problem with Nikki Haley's "beliefs" (i.e., political positions). She's been a member of the S.C. House of Representatives, S.C. governor and U.S. representative to the U.N. Those are impressive credentials. Plus, she wasn't fired by Trump, and left on her own terms.
As for her political positions:
- She's in favor of lower taxes. She voted against a proposed tobacco surcharge. (She voted to increase S.C.'s sales tax, but remember that states need to balance their budgets.)
- She was a good fiscal steward as governor
- She supports school choice and charter schools
- She supports enforcement of the immigration laws, and voted in favor of laws that would require employers to prove that new hires are legal residents, and to require immigrants to carry documentation of legal status.
- She's a strong supporter of the State of Israel
- She supports voter ID laws
- She has a track record of being pro-life, including her signature on a bill that bans abortions after 20 weeks of pregnancy.
For the purposes of this discussion, I'm assuming that your statements are correct.
That's the real stuff, but you had to go look it up before you could answer that question. "Liking" a candidate is not a good way to select our representatives. In fact, that assures we get people like 0bama.
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Will that make people who won't comply "Felons?" (Full disclosure: I don't have any, and would not get any because I think "Spray and Pray" is an enormous waste of ammo and money.)
Back in the 50s when Jeff Cooper hired out to various foreign heads of State to train their personal security the 1st thing he did was take away their machine pistols and equip them with semi-auto 1911A1s.
Unless you're part of a unit clearing room to room, you're better off having the control of individually aimed shots.
Granted, that practicality doesn't absolve anyone of this bump stock ban, but the loss of actual firepower isn't near as great as some would make it out to be.
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@Right_in_Virginia I’ve said it before; it needs be said again. YOU ROCK!
Put this to rest. Donald Trump has not failed his voters, nor will he fail if he continues as he has last three years.
What Trump promised his voters is that if they would elect him, he would work hard to achieve the conservative things he promised in the campaign. And by every objective standard he has worked tirelessly since then on those promises and has accomplished much despite tremendous opposition. I’ve never seen a man of his age work as hard. Compare that to Obama. That slacker never earned one day of his presidential (or senatorial) salary.
@aligncare
@Right_in_Virginia
I'll second this as the Post of the Day.
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Indeed. Anyway you cut it, Trump trampled on the 2A! Who knows what the DEMS will do with this. IMHO, Trump just showed his hand.
I think it's just a sop to the left. Most of us didn't know bumpstocks existed until the Vegas shooting. (And, if I remember correctly, he didn't even use a BS in his massacre.) It's an easy way to tell the left "we gave you something on the gun issue", and not really do anything. I expect that the only action that will occur is BSs are no longer for sale and you will have to make your own if you want one, and if you're stupid enough to be driving around and get pulled over with a BS on your gun, you may be prosecuted for it.
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@aligncare
@Right_in_Virginia
I'll second this as the Post of the Day.
Post of the day only if you don't go back and read what Trump said he was actually going to do...not work towards...if he was elected.
He made definitive statements about things that would happen in a Trump presidency...not "well I'll try to get this done or I'll work towards this if I'm elected".
Clear definitive statements of things he would make happen that no other candidate would or could.
And now that starting the day over the 2016 election results were in he started back tracking...the word parsing and history rewrite by his faithful core has begun.
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@roamer_1, even strict, raw conservatism won't work now, because at least half of the population doesn't understand the situation that we are in and will blame conservatism. We will have to experience the consequences of actions before those people even begin to understand what has been wrought.
@Sanguine
I know... The only chance we have left is repentance... which is what I hope for. what makes it a thousand times harder is all who claim this current nonsense is Conservatism... We will get the blame, as ironic as that may be.
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He'll be given a free pass as usual.
Those who possess the devices, which make it easier to fire rounds from a semi-automatic weapon by harnessing the gun's recoil to "bump" the trigger faster, will have 90 days to turn in or otherwise destroy them from the date that the final rule is published in the federal register -- likely this Friday -- according to senior DOJ officials.
9999hair out0000
So Popsicle sticks and rubber bands are illegal now?
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So Popsicle sticks and rubber bands are illegal now?
Hell why not? Same damn fools outlawed lawn mower mufflers back in the 30s.
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Post of the day only if you don't go back and read what Trump said he was actually going to do...not work towards...if he was elected.
He made definitive statements about things that would happen in a Trump presidency...not "well I'll try to get this done or I'll work towards this if I'm elected".
Clear definitive statements of things he would make happen that no other candidate would or could.
And now that starting the day over the 2016 election results were in he started back tracking...the word parsing and history rewrite by his faithful core has begun.
As opposed to the unicorn droppings HRC was promising?
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As opposed to the unicorn droppings HRC was promising?
And that has what exactly to do with the fact that the Trump with Trump going back on things he said he would do, not might try to get done, starting the day he was sworn into office.
Falling back on the Hillary defense almost three years in to Trump's term in office isn't much of a defense these days...it's actually a dodge.
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For the purposes of this discussion, I'm assuming that your statements are correct.
That's the real stuff, but you had to go look it up before you could answer that question. "Liking" a candidate is not a good way to select our representatives. In fact, that assures we get people like 0bama.
@Sanguine
The "real stuff" for me is the inspired job she did as our Ambassador to the U.N. Yes, I had to "look up" (on Wikipedia) her positions (many of which have their origin in positions she took years ago as a S.C. legislator and governor), but that was in order to respond substantively to your question. Your question implied to me that you may have a chip on your shoulder when it comes to Ms. Haley. Do you? What fascinates me about her is her ability to appeal to Trumpers (she served with distinction, and didn't burn her bridges), as well as conservatives and even suburban centrists who like the optics of the "first female President".
I am not alone in my belief that Trump won't run for a second term. At the root, he's a non-career politician who ran to shake things up; I think he will proclaim that he's accomplished most of his goals and get back to his businesses and his family. Obviously, that needs to occur for someone like Haley to get into the race. But I can't think of anyone who checks off the boxes like she does.
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If you knew a single thing about me, then you knew I knew.
But we don't "fix the country" by relying on a narcissist who doesn't even know what the country is about because he, according to his own words, "doesn't read."
I agree that time is running out........ or perhaps am more pessimistic in believing it has already run out. But we took the test in 2016 and failed because we turned to a liberal populist to solve the problems we only had because we abandoned Conservatism.
I believe the only way this country can be saved is through another Great Awakening and a recognition that the nation's survival is dependent on a return to First Principles.
It is certainly not being saved by a guy who knows nothing about anything and only loves himself.
Do you seriously believe the crap you write? What liberal populist argues for a border wall? Bolsters immigration enforcement. tax reform, reduces regulations, stands up to Democrats?
You're just sitting here pushing a narrative in light of all facts.
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@Free Vulcan character is what you do when no one is looking.
Which as President is a little hard to do. But then again I didn't vote for the Pastor in Chief of the USA. I get it that Trump is not stained glass perfect.
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If you knew a single thing about me, then you knew I knew.
But we don't "fix the country" by relying on a narcissist who doesn't even know what the country is about because he, according to his own words, "doesn't read."
I agree that time is running out........ or perhaps am more pessimistic in believing it has already run out. But we took the test in 2016 and failed because we turned to a liberal populist to solve the problems we only had because we abandoned Conservatism.
I believe the only way this country can be saved is through another Great Awakening and a recognition that the nation's survival is dependent on a return to First Principles.
It is certainly not being saved by a guy who knows nothing about anything and only loves himself.
Trump has put in more conservative judges, anti abortion measures, small gov't regulations on and on than any other Republican in decades.
People like you is why he has no backing in DC
@musiclady
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Trump has put in more conservative judges, anti abortion measures, small gov't regulations on and on than any other Republican in decades.
People like you is why he has no backing in DC
@musiclady
Well, I knew you hated me when you sent me that filthy PM, @mirraflake, but blaming Trump's problems in DC on me is a bit much even for you, isn't it? :silly:
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Do you seriously believe the crap you write? What liberal populist argues for a border wall? Bolsters immigration enforcement. tax reform, reduces regulations, stands up to Democrats?
You're just sitting here pushing a narrative in light of all facts.
Look up the word populist.
What conservative pushes for government run healthcare mandating that preexisting conditions has to be covered by "insurance". It belies the very meaning of the word insurance.
What conservative wants a return of the fairness doctrine so the government and courts can dictate what is "fair" in our media.
What conservative pushes broad tariffs starting a trade war which is now taking a bite out of our economy?
What conservative wanted "a big door in the wall" so people that were here illegally could quickly return?
What conservative has been friends for many years with the Clintons and donated hundreds of thousands of dollars to Hillary's senate campaign?
What conservative has been to Esptein's island to "party" with young girls?
What conservative endorsed and donated to a self proclaimed socialist for mayor of New York city?
What conservative wanted an assault weapons ban (and is about to ban bump stocks), Canadian style healthcare and fully supported even partial birth abortion the previous time he ran for president?
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Do you seriously believe the crap you write? What liberal populist argues for a border wall? Bolsters immigration enforcement. tax reform, reduces regulations, stands up to Democrats?
You're just sitting here pushing a narrative in light of all facts.
Hmmmm................ and the same could be said of you, methinks.
A populist argues for whatever he thinks people want to hear. The fact that he's a liberal makes no difference. And he stands up to Democrats because he tweets angrily about anyone who says nasty things about him. It's not political. It's personal.
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Trump has put in more conservative judges
@mirraflake
So did Bush, or so we were told.
anti abortion measures, small gov't regulations on and on
All by way of his magic pen - gone ike a fart in a windstorm the minute his foot crosses the threshold.
So whee.
People like you is why he has no backing in DC
No, he has no backing in DC because he pissed absolutely everyone off, and that, on purpose. He made his own bed.
@musiclady is exactly right.
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Well, I knew you hated me when you sent me that filthy PM, @mirraflake, but blaming Trump's problems in DC on me is a bit much even for you, isn't it? :silly:
Not just you, but people like you. So Yes I am blaming it on you an others like you.
@musiclady
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Do you seriously believe the crap you write? What liberal populist argues for a border wall? Bolsters immigration enforcement. tax reform, reduces regulations, stands up to Democrats?
You're just sitting here pushing a narrative in light of all facts.
It's easier to understand when one sees that they are Bushies, or Cruz-ies. This is pretty obvious really. That's why my standard answer has been I've voted for the nominee, period. I voted for Bush, if they want to hold their allegiances back, fine. I didn't. Any plus of the Trump administration they did not help and it strikes me as pretty bitter stuff to read some of what they write. It's not worth taking serious. It's sort of all tribal. Campaigns are a blood sport, I'm sorry if they get bent out of shape over what was said.
@Free Vulcan
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@mirraflake
So did Bush, or so we were told.
All by way of his magic pen - gone ike a fart in a windstorm the minute his foot crosses the threshold.
So whee.
No, he has no backing in DC because he pissed absolutely everyone off, and that, on purpose. He made his own bed.
@musiclady is exactly right.
The swamp would have hated him if I went to them holding flowers and chocolates. Bush was globalist liberal. Our manufacturing base went away under his 8 years
@roamer_1
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The swamp would have hated him if I went to them holding flowers and chocolates. Bush was globalist liberal. Our manufacturing base went away under his 8 years
@mirraflake
So is tump.
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The swamp would have hated him if I went to them holding flowers and chocolates. Bush was globalist liberal. Our manufacturing base went away under his 8 years
@roamer_1
What do you think is happening to the manufacturing base here that uses steel? With the tariffs they can't compete for outside the US business because their costs are higher than their competitors. Putting tariffs on electronic components just makes assembling things here more expensive so they'll move offshore. The stupid hurts.
All Trump has done is pick winners and losers in a zero sum game of government intervention.
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Not just you, but people like you. So Yes I am blaming it on you an others like you.
@musiclady
Oh, I get it now........... people "like me" who stick to beliefs no matter which way the political wind is blowing. People "like me" who have moral convictions and Biblical beliefs that I haven't thrown away because the culture is going down the sewer. People "like me" who still believe in the Constitution, though the left and everyone who has grown up under the influence of leftist education have thrown it away.
People "like me" are the reason that Trump has made enemies of practically everyone he knows other than his fan club.
Yeah......... that's the ticket.
People "like me" are why he's a miserable failure. LOL!
I can take your hatred, @mirraflake, because it's based on throwing away everything this country stands for and every value it once had.
So spit fire as much as you want at me. I'm standing on the Rock, and I won't be moved by your mockery.
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...even strict, raw conservatism won't work now, because at least half of the population doesn't understand the situation that we are in and will blame conservatism. We will have to experience the consequences of actions before those people even begin to understand what has been wrought.
I would personally define conservatism as nothing more than advocacy for Constitutionally limited government. (This limited approach to governance, had it been followed for the past century or so, would have prevented a lot of the problems that "economic conservatives" and even "social conservatives" have complained about for years, now getting louder and louder, it seems.)
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One of the peculiar features of the limited government reality of conservatism is the fact that it does not rule out occasionally heavy-handed actions by the government. For example, martial law, under circumstances of national emergency, is Constitutional (see Article I). And since American conservatism is rooted in the Constitution itself, we must not be intimidated by the idiotic claims by the Socialists that all serious conservatives are Nazis. (The Socialists are the ones who have yearned for Marxist death camps to pursue their awful objectives against America. A PhD college professor recently told me that he and his ilk were going to take away my guns and execute me.)
Anyway, if President Trump takes pretty drastic actions aimed at restoring the Constitutional governance of our Republic, he will get tarred as a Hitler, as a Nazi, as a fascist. But it is arguably his duty as POTUS to act as aggressively as necessary against the Radical Socialists to pull us well away from the disastrous national precipice to which we are unknowably close.
As you seem to insinuate in your post, @Sanguine, a frightfully large percentage of U.S. citizens, although pretty disgruntled about politics, are Boiling Frogs. Very few people seem to have any idea bad, how dangerous the Deep State has gradually become over the past 70 years (some would say longer than that). After FDR died, Truman was reportedly worried about the OSS/CIA. Eisenhower warned us about the military-industrial-Congressional complex. (Yes, he included Congress in his warning.) JFK was so appalled by the CIA that he declared that he would tear the CIA into a thousand pieces. (Look what he very soon got for saying that in public.)
LBJ was well-known as a politically brutal crook (facing the prospect of two felony indictments until JFK was murdered). Nixon was no choir boy, but many thoughtful conservatives found it especially worrisome when Nixon admitted that he had become a Fabian in his economics. Gerald Ford was at best a Rockefeller guy. Carter strengthened the Deep State's stranglehold on the Executive Branch's Bureaucracy through the "Senior Executive Service." Reagan did a lot of good things, but he could not roll the whole mess back as far as conservatives would have wished.
GHWB did some evidently positive things but kept promoting the NWO. (That was double-plus-un-good! As far as I am concerned, it completely cancels out his famously genteel nature.) GHWB was also responsible for the FBI's cold-blooded murderer(s) escaping prosecution for the debacle at Ruby Ridge. The Clintons were subtle, but they ramped-up jack-booted thuggery and likely even body laundering at Waco. (When the NRA complained about the feds' utterly atrocious actions under Bill Clinton at Waco, GHWB delivered a scathing denunciation of the NRA and canceled his lifetime NRA membership. [How's that for a lovely Republican ex-POTUS?]) Bill Clinton actually laughed about Waco and went on to establish a sickening cult of Clinton worshipers and likely enlarged (with HRC's help) the extortion ring that dated at least as far back as the 1980s. (As a seemingly minor travesty, Clinton also falsely claimed all the credit for a good economy in the '90s--thereby hopelessly confusing our hoi polloi concerning good economics.)
Gore tried to steal the 2000 election by clearly premeditated voting fraud in Florida (at least!)--and almost succeeded through a Chicago-style scam. Instead of Gore, we got GWB as POTUS, who was generally a pretty good guy, in my opinion, but too closely tied to his father's ideals and network (and also too "soft" to deal with domestic political crooks). The Dems then ran a veritable Viet Nam era phony and traitor in the person of John Kerry, but Bush squeaked by him in 2004--only to wind up inadvertently setting the stage for Obama to emerge as the Radical Marxist Deep State's penultimate destroyer of the Republic. Obama's "changes' made almost everything in America much, much worse. (Alas, the GOP ran McCain and Romney [good grief] unsuccessfully against Obama--apparently because it was "their turn" within the GOPe.)
Even in 2016, the GOPe was hoping to avoid a Trump Presidency (it was supposed to be Jeb Bush's turn, I'm told), and HRC was hoping for her final turn to run for POTUS--but against Trump in particular. After all, Trump was widely regarded as an untrustworthy jerk and (largely for that reason) the fellow who polled most poorly against HRC. But the American people nominated Trump evidently because they preferred a confrontational, crude, morally challenged jerk over all of the GOP's electoral failures of the past (and also preferred Trump over a record of recent Republican Presidents who, at best, had not stopped the slow-but-sure juggernaut of America's destruction, the juggernaut now labeled the Deep State).
At the very top of this mess of the Deep State, we have also developed a frightful web of Crony Capitalists and ideologically insane academics and the most corrupt news service since Stalin's Pravda. (Think "Operation Mockingbird"--a nasty CIA project that evidently still exists and has gotten much, much nastier than when it was first exposed by Congress.)
If Trump survives, he definitely will engage in a head-on and politically very disconcerting counter-offensive against the Deep State (a fully Constitutional strategy involving the domestic use of the US military in some respects ["Oh no! He's a Hitler!]). Disgraceful though Trump was before occupying the White House--and to some extent still is--he might be the man of the hour for America. I think Trump will scare the daylights out of a lot of previously only naïve Americans.
Strangely enough, I think that's ultimately a good thing. America needs to be startled. America needs to become wide awake for the first time in modern history. We are at war on American soil, not just in the heavens. If you don't think so, wait until Obama and his ilk try to mobilize their purported 400,000 foot soldiers.
There is no easy way out of our current mess. Trump, at least, knows that. Most Americans probably don't know it--yet. In today's vernacular, they need to be "red-pilled." It's a tough pill to swallow, but a necessary one for saving America over the near term. Maybe we can buy time for the real spiritual revival that we need--not the "Church Lady" crap. Maybe then we can get a more conspicuously honorable man as POTUS--like Ted Cruz, perhaps.
(Heck, I'm glad our Creator God overruled my nominational preference and gave us Trump instead of Cruz at this awful time. Let's wait and see what our current Scoundrel-in-Chief pulls off. In the meantime, let's pray for him.)
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Who is it, by the way, that filled the Republican party with RINOs and gave a choke-hold grip to the moderates, because Republican butts are more important than the principles that are supposed to govern the party? You know, the RINOs and moderates that blocked everything Tumpy the Clown tried to do?
Pragmatism, know thyself.
Because it sure as hell wasn't the Conservatives.
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Look up the word populist.
What conservative pushes for government run healthcare mandating that preexisting conditions has to be covered by "insurance". It belies the very meaning of the word insurance.
What conservative wants a return of the fairness doctrine so the government and courts can dictate what is "fair" in our media.
What conservative pushes broad tariffs starting a trade war which is now taking a bite out of our economy?
What conservative wanted "a big door in the wall" so people that were here illegally could quickly return?
What conservative has been friends for many years with the Clintons and donated hundreds of thousands of dollars to Hillary's senate campaign?
What conservative has been to Esptein's island to "party" with young girls?
What conservative endorsed and donated to a self proclaimed socialist for mayor of New York city?
What conservative wanted an assault weapons ban (and is about to ban bump stocks), Canadian style healthcare and fully supported even partial birth abortion the previous time he ran for president?
Oh, those pesky facts @DB. Don't you know you have to throw away facts and embrace feelings now? happy77
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The swamp would have hated him if I went to them holding flowers and chocolates. Bush was globalist liberal. Our manufacturing base went away under his 8 years
@roamer_1
Speaking of which, does everyone remember what happend during the Bush admin? Scooter Libby? ChimpyBushHitler? Merry Fitzmas? Same Nancy Pelosi accusing the admin of having a culture of corruption?
So sad to see conservatives fall for the same old crap.
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It's easier to understand when one sees that they are Bushies, or Cruz-ies. This is pretty obvious really. That's why my standard answer has been I've voted for the nominee, period. I voted for Bush, if they want to hold their allegiances back, fine. I didn't. Any plus of the Trump administration they did not help and it strikes me as pretty bitter stuff to read some of what they write. It's not worth taking serious. It's sort of all tribal. Campaigns are a blood sport, I'm sorry if they get bent out of shape over what was said.
@Free Vulcan
The very definition of tribal is voting for whomever is the nominee. Go look in the mirror.
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So spit fire as much as you want at me. I'm standing on the Rock, and I won't be moved by your mockery.
Lol You sure did whaaaaaaaa to the mod last week.
@musiclady
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Speaking of which, does everyone remember what happend during the Bush admin? Scooter Libby? ChimpyBushHitler? Merry Fitzmas? Same Nancy Pelosi accusing the admin of having a culture of corruption?
So sad to see conservatives fall for the same old crap.
The National Socialist and Communist hated each other in WWII to the point of killing each other en masse. That doesn't mean either was a worthy of support or our friend. I have no dog in this fight. You guys chose a corrupt New York liberal that has switched parities and held more opposing positions than anyone I know of period. His friends consisted of the most corrupt people in this country. The Clintons ring any bells? You fed the media beast with a corrupt politician that thought he could keep his decades of dirty laundry hidden.
This is your reward. Don't try to pass blame to others.
As far as falling for crap, did you vote for Pelosi? I certainly didn't. Who fell for what here?
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If, as claimed, @mirraflake you sent that nasty PM to @musiclady she beat you like a red headed stepchild.
I'll admit that there are a few here that beat the crap out of me, on occasion, but I'd never acknowledge defeat that way.
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Lol You sure did whaaaaaaaa to the mod last week.
@musiclady
So now you're bragging about your filthy PM?? Way to be a grown up. *****rollingeyes*****
(btw, that's the very first time in all the years I've been here that someone has been so cowardly and nasty to me and the first PM I've ever reported. It didn't "move" me one bit, but I wanted to report your violation of every rule this forum has, and every rule of human decency. I care about this forum and didn't want you to get away with soiling it).
Next time you ping me, I shall not respond. No more time to waste as the Celebration of the Birth of our Savior approaches, and my family comes home.
Merry Christmas, @mirraflake . And Good bye. :seeya:
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@Sanguine
The "real stuff" for me is the inspired job she did as our Ambassador to the U.N. Yes, I had to "look up" (on Wikipedia) her positions (many of which have their origin in positions she took years ago as a S.C. legislator and governor), but that was in order to respond substantively to your question. Your question implied to me that you may have a chip on your shoulder when it comes to Ms. Haley. Do you? What fascinates me about her is her ability to appeal to Trumpers (she served with distinction, and didn't burn her bridges), as well as conservatives and even suburban centrists who like the optics of the "first female President".
I am not alone in my belief that Trump won't run for a second term. At the root, he's a non-career politician who ran to shake things up; I think he will proclaim that he's accomplished most of his goals and get back to his businesses and his family. Obviously, that needs to occur for someone like Haley to get into the race. But I can't think of anyone who checks off the boxes like she does.
You're right, I'm not sure about Haley. She likes taxes and big government from what I remember. I very much like what she did at the UN and admire her outspokenness. And, she seems to be one of the few leaving the Trump administration on good terms.
If she decides to run again, we'll see. I'm willing to give her a chance, but I'm nowhere near ready to jump on her bandwagon.
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Lol You sure did whaaaaaaaa to the mod last week.
@musiclady
Why do you think we have mods?
It is for people who can't abide by the rules.
Your choice.
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Look up the word populist.
1.What conservative pushes for government run healthcare mandating that preexisting conditions has to be covered by "insurance". It belies the very meaning of the word insurance.
2.What conservative wants a return of the fairness doctrine so the government and courts can dictate what is "fair" in our media.
3.What conservative pushes broad tariffs starting a trade war which is now taking a bite out of our economy?
4.What conservative wanted "a big door in the wall" so people that were here illegally could quickly return?
5.What conservative has been friends for many years with the Clintons and donated hundreds of thousands of dollars to Hillary's senate campaign?
6.What conservative has been to Esptein's island to "party" with young girls?
7.What conservative endorsed and donated to a self proclaimed socialist for mayor of New York city?
8What conservative wanted an assault weapons ban (and is about to ban bump stocks), Canadian style healthcare and fully supported even partial birth abortion the previous time he ran for president?
1. I am in healthcare and the pre ex clause was and is needed. People with no prior insurance under open enrollment who have a sickness or accident are not covered. They have to wait until the next open enrollment period. Before the pre ex I have known people who have played by the rules worked their asses off all their life only to be laid off at age 58 and no carrier would pick up their spouses cancer and they lost all their life savings This hould not be happeniing in a first world country.
3. Trumps tarrifs worked with Mexico and Canada and Europe and is starting to work with China. You have to play tough with these characters.
4. Trump said they would go through the giant door legally after being vetted.
6. You have proof of this?
I could go on an don but donlt have all day to chnage opinions o fpeople who will never listen to factsl
@DB
@musiclady
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The swamp would have hated him if I went to them holding flowers and chocolates. Bush was globalist liberal. Our manufacturing base went away under his 8 years
@roamer_1
Our manufacturing base went away long before Bush came in.
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The National Socialist and Communist hated each other in WWII to the point of killing each other en masse. That doesn't mean either was a worthy of support or our friend. I have no dog in this fight. You guys chose a corrupt New York liberal that has switched parities and held more opposing positions than anyone I know of period. His friends consisted of the most corrupt people in this country. The Clintons ring any bells? You fed the media beast with a corrupt politician that thought he could keep his decades of dirty laundry hidden.
This is your reward. Don't try to pass blame to others.
As far as falling for crap, did you vote for Pelosi? I certainly didn't. Who fell for what here?
And it was the same crap they pushed against Reagan, and against every GOP nominee, even their precious Rogue McCain.
Hope the Kool-aid tastes sweetly.
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Our manufacturing base went away long before Bush came in.
Right. James Naisbitt (I believe that was his name) wrote about it in the '60s or '70s.
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If, as claimed, @mirraflake you sent that nasty PM to @musiclady she beat you like a red headed stepchild.
I'll admit that there are a few here that beat the crap out of me, on occasion, but I'd never acknowledge defeat that way.
@musiclady trashes me on various threads and I have never said anything or even made a post to her to start it.. As I mentioned she can dish it out but can't take any criticism.
That is all I'm going to say.
@corbe
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Our manufacturing base went away long before Bush came in.
Yes it did bit it made a giant sucking sound under Bush
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Yes it did bit it made a giant sucking sound under Bush
Even well before then. Being the most highly regulated and litigious country in the world tends to do that.
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3 more advertisers withdraw from Tucker Carlson, the Democrats fight so dirty. Trump is having everything in his life investigated, that's all the Democrats are doing and they are finding little.
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@musiclady trashes me on various threads and I have never said anything or even made a post to her to start it.. As I mentioned she can dish it out but can't take any criticism.
That is all I'm going to say.
@corbe
I respect that @mirraflake PM's are considered somewhat sacred here.
I learned that the hard way also, back around 2014.
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And it was the same crap they pushed against Reagan, and against every GOP nominee, even their precious Rogue McCain.
Hope the Kool-aid tastes sweetly.
Yes it was the same crap but different person as the target. A very different person. I voted for Reagan. Trump is the opposite of Reagan. Trump is loaded with baggage from porn stars to supporting totally corrupt politicians like Hillary. The previous time Trump ran for office he wanted an assault weapons ban, Canadian style healthcare and supported partial birth abortions. He's a thin skinned narcissist that lowers the office he holds to insult anyone who dare disagree with him. Reagan built coalitions and got the voters behind him to do things he wanted to do. Trump doesn't know how to do that at all as well evidenced by now. The people who voted for Trump knew he had all that baggage arming the media and they did it anyway. So don't exact surprised when you hand the media a grenade and they set it off as expected.
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I would personally define conservatism as nothing more than advocacy for Constitutionally limited government.
I agree with that definition. However, that makes our numbers very, very small, even here at TBR.
Anyway, if President Trump takes pretty drastic actions aimed at restoring the Constitutional governance of our Republic, he will get tarred as a Hitler, as a Nazi, as a fascist. But it is arguably his duty as POTUS to act as aggressively as necessary against the Radical Socialists to pull us well away from the disastrous national precipice to which we are unknowably close.
I'm still not convinced that he is very familiar with the Constitution, much less a supporter of it.
As you seem to insinuate in your post, @Sanguine, a frightfully large percentage of U.S. citizens, although pretty disgruntled about politics, are Boiling Frogs. Very few people seem to have any idea bad, how dangerous the Deep State has gradually become over the past 70 years (some would say longer than that). After FDR died, Truman was reportedly worried about the OSS/CIA. Eisenhower warned us about the military-industrial-Congressional complex. (Yes, he included Congress in his warning.) JFK was so appalled by the CIA that he declared that he would tear the CIA into a thousand pieces. (Look what he very soon got for saying that in public.)
Exactly.
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At the very top of this mess of the Deep State, we have also developed a frightful web of Crony Capitalists and ideologically insane academics and the most corrupt news service since Stalin's Pravda. (Think "Operation Mockingbird"--a nasty CIA project that evidently still exists and has gotten much, much nastier than when it was first exposed by Congress.)
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America needs to be startled. America needs to become wide awake for the first time in modern history. We are at war on American soil, not just in the heavens. If you don't think so, wait until Obama and his ilk try to mobilize their purported 400,000 foot soldiers.
There is no easy way out of our current mess. Trump, at least, knows that. Most Americans probably don't know it--yet. In today's vernacular, they need to be "red-pilled." It's a tough pill to swallow, but a necessary one for saving America over the near term. Maybe we can buy time for the real spiritual revival that we need--not the "Church Lady" crap. Maybe then we can get a more conspicuously honorable man as POTUS--like Ted Cruz, perhaps.
I agree with most of that.
(Heck, I'm glad our Creator God overruled my nominational preference and gave us Trump instead of Cruz at this awful time. Let's wait and see what our current Scoundrel-in-Chief pulls off. In the meantime, let's pray for him.)
I'm still not sure of that. We'll see.
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This is not the place for this discussion.
@mirraflake @musiclady
Please move on....
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Wow....
Read the Headlines on Drudge. $5B to Mexico. Border Wall off the Table.
Wonder how the Trump apologist here are going to spin this one. :silly:
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@mirraflake @musiclady Please put each other on ignore and if you have a problem with another member, then report it. Stop hijacking the thread.
Thank you.
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@mirraflake @musiclady Please put each other on ignore and if you have a problem with another member, then report it. Stop hijacking the thread.
Thank you.
I already have stopped. I won't say any more here, or anywhere.
This has been a good thread.
(Removed my last post. My apologies.)
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and your bragging about how you regularly degraded women with your buddies.
@corbe
This is my last post I have to defend myself.
Never degraded any woman in my life. Yes my buddies and I talked about women, good and bad in private amongst ourselves but never to them. Just as 99% of women talk about men in private amongst themselves with good or bad comments
@corbe
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If you knew a single thing about me, then you knew I knew.
But we don't "fix the country" by relying on a narcissist who doesn't even know what the country is about because he, according to his own words, "doesn't read."
I agree that time is running out........ or perhaps am more pessimistic in believing it has already run out. But we took the test in 2016 and failed because we turned to a liberal populist to solve the problems we only had because we abandoned Conservatism.
I believe the only way this country can be saved is through another Great Awakening and a recognition that the nation's survival is dependent on a return to First Principles.
It is certainly not being saved by a guy who knows nothing about anything and only loves himself.
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Thoughtful.
Reading induces reflection which can either alter or reinforce behavior.
Yet to change, one must have the humility to recognize one's mistakes.
Anne MacLeod, his Scottish mother, labeled him incorrigible; incapable
of changing behavior, some 60 years ago and nothing is different since.
Instead Trump preens w/conceit and hubris, surrounding himself
w/fawners and lackeys who kow-tow as he struts by, applauding himself.
Consequently, his unforced errors are repeated endlessly; no surprise.
Great Nation/States, such as Rome, endured for 12 centuries, the
British Empire for 400 years; while we are a tad past 2 centuries.
Much more ominously, our Founders, among them; Adams,
Jefferson, Madison, Rutledge, Hancock and the rest, are gone!
In our material world nothing endures for eternity. NOTHING!!!
The best any culture/society can expect or hope for is longevity;
if it behaves w/ the attitudes, behaviors and values that gave it existence.
Lightweights believe repeating their mantra,"We are the greatest";
is all that is necessary to sustain us.
History will have the last word and will be neither so kind nor so naive'.
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1. I am in healthcare and the pre ex clause was and is needed. People with no prior insurance under open enrollment who have a sickness or accident are not covered. They have to wait until the next open enrollment period. Before the pre ex I have known people who have played by the rules worked their asses off all their life only to be laid off at age 58 and no carrier would pick up their spouses cancer and they lost all their life savings This hould not be happeniing in a first world country.
3. Trumps tarrifs worked with Mexico and Canada and Europe and is starting to work with China. You have to play tough with these characters.
4. Trump said they would go through the giant door legally after being vetted.
6. You have proof of this?
I could go on an don but donlt have all day to chnage opinions o fpeople who will never listen to factsl
@DB
@musiclady
Sure it was. So why not include houses in that. Your house burns down and you should be able to buy insurance after the fact. The federal government has no business dictating our health insurance period. It is not a constitutional duty of the federal government.
Funny how things are rapidly declining now that those tariffs are taking their toll. Our business exports electronic equipment that we manufacture here in the US. The tariffs has raised our costs substantially while not being able to raise prices because there are competitors that are not affected by the tariffs overseas.
Vetted? WTF. They were here ILLEGALLY. Vetting is not the issue. Being here illegally is the issue. We have an immigration process which vetting is only a part of. But they get special treatment because they got away with it for years.
Regarding proof, Epstein and Trump were friends and even talked about his friend's like for "very young women". Ignorance on your part is no excuse. Both Trump and Bill Clinton jetted off with Epstein in his private jet to his island. Those are facts.
The "facts" are not on your side. You just blindly ignore them because they are in the way.
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Tis not the Season to be dragged into a Forum Fight, already been admonished by the Mods. 888mouth
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It's not condescension @Axeslinger I'm trying to tell you conservative principles are alive and well .... they're over here and in the Oval Office. The strongest believers in America's best principles First are the millions who pulled the lever for Donald Trump in spite of the ridicule and sanctimonious judgment they had to slog through to reach the polls.
I think it's more condescending to embrace conservative values only if they're wrapped in puritanical self-righteousness.
@Right_in_Virginia
Post of the month!!!!
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Yes it was the same crap but different person as the target. A very different person. I voted for Reagan. Trump is the opposite of Reagan. Trump is loaded with baggage from porn stars to supporting totally corrupt politicians like Hillary. The previous time Trump ran for office he wanted an assault weapons ban, Canadian style healthcare and supported partial birth abortions. He's a thin skinned narcissist that lowers the office he holds to insult anyone who dare disagree with him. Reagan built coalitions and got the voters behind him to do things he wanted to do. Trump doesn't know how to do that at all as well evidenced by now. The people who voted for Trump knew he had all that baggage arming the media and they did it anyway. So don't exact surprised when you hand the media a grenade and they set it off as expected.
Good Lord, keep gnashing and wailing. They said the same things about Bush and Reagan.
Do you realize that if Trump is booted out, the same thing will happen with Pence? Or anyone? Even John Kasich?
Do you get it?
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Calm yourself down @Axeslinger and reread my post. The only charade that has been exposed is the political label "conservative". It is meaningless in today's political world. It has come to be known as the politics of a group of aging didactic, religious zealots who have no plan for America's future. And if they could talk a plan into existence, they'd not have the energy or strategic wherewithal to implement it. So stop whining about someone not being "conservative" enough. It is meaningless. And stop whining about not having enough "conservatives" in office. No one wants them and what they've become.
If you'd move your gaze from your rearview mirror you might be able to see that the awful, dirty "populism" has absorbed the best of conservatism. The principles Americans voted for were smaller government, beating back deep-state corruption, fair trade, the right to American sovereignty, including the rule of law in immigration; a strong military, constitutionalist judges, the 2nd Amendment, the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
It's not called "conservatism". It's called Americanism. America's best principles first.
So move the hell out of the 80's and get on the damn train --- before it backs up and runs over you again.
@roamer_1 too.
@Right_in_Virginia
DAYUM,but you are on a roll! I am eaten alive with envy because I didn't write that post.
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Thoughtful.
Reading induces reflection which can either alter or reinforce behavior.
Yet to change, one must have the humility to recognize one's mistakes.
Anne MacLeod, his Scottish mother, labeled him incorrigible; incapable
of changing behavior, some 60 years ago and nothing is different since.
Instead Trump preens w/conceit and hubris, surrounding himself
w/fawners and lackeys who kow-tow as he struts by, applauding himself.
Consequently, his unforced errors are repeated endlessly; no surprise.
Great Nation/States, such as Rome, endured for 12 centuries, the
British Empire for 400 years; while we are a tad past 2 centuries.
Much more ominously, our Founders, among them; Adams,
Jefferson, Madison, Rutledge, Hancock and the rest, are gone!
In our material world nothing endures for eternity. NOTHING!!!
The best any culture/society can expect or hope for is longevity;
if it behaves w/ the attitudes, behaviors and values that gave it existence.
Lightweights believe repeating their mantra,"We are the greatest";
is all that is necessary to sustain us.
History will have the last word and will be neither so kind nor so naive'.
I believe this is the key point. Our nation lasts only as long as our values last, and it is clear that we have thrown a significant set of values away.
The election of 2016 wasn't the disease, so to speak, but a symptom of an underlying disease that has been eating away at us for decades......even a a century.
I'm just not optimistic enough to believe that we can ever regain what we have thrown away..... at least not without a fundamental sea change, and I believe that it is spiritual in nature.
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Good Lord, keep gnashing and wailing. They said the same things about Bush and Reagan.
Do you realize that if Trump is booted out, the same thing will happen with Pence? Or anyone? Even John Kasich?
Do you get it?
I don't want Trump booted out. But the likelihood of that due to all his baggage was well known before people voted for him. The magical wishing it wouldn't be a major factor was wrong. The media was going to do what the media always does. The people who voted for him armed their enemies with a bomb waiting to go off and now act like that wasn't expected. Well duh...
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Maybe I'm remembering wrong, didn't the majority of the voters vote for HRC?
@RoosGirl
Only if you count the dead,felons,imaginary people,and illegal aliens.
And she would have won and been sitting in WH right now if any of the usual alleged Republicans that you support had won the primary.
Losing and being self-righteous gives you the warm and fuzzies,doesn't it?
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Sure glad Trump decided to use a Train instead of a Plane.
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@RoosGirl
Only if you count the dead,felons,imaginary people,and illegal aliens.
And she would have won and been sitting in WH right now if any of the usual alleged Republicans that you support had won the primary.
Losing and being self-righteous gives you the warm and fuzzies,doesn't it?
No, but annoying you Trumpers sure does.
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I don't want Trump booted out. But the likelihood of that due to all his baggage was well known before people voted for him. The magical wishing it wouldn't be a major factor was wrong. The media was going to do what the media always does. The people who voted for him armed their enemies with a bomb waiting to go off and now act like that wasn't expected. Well duh...
Again dude, they said Reagan and Bush had baggage, and then manufactured more. Then look the other way when the Dems to the same or worse.
People get so snitty stain-glassed high horse anymore, especially conservatives, that they let the Left suck them into these narratives, not understanding that the same narratives will pop up again with the next one.
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LOL - his acting CoS thinks he’s a PoS.
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No, but annoying you Trumpers sure does.
@RoosGirl
Thank you for finally admitting you care nothing about America,and only care about feeding your bitterness .
Little people are always trying to tear down giants.
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Again dude, they said Reagan and Bush had baggage, and then manufactured more. Then look the other way when the Dems to the same or worse.
People get so snitty stain-glassed high horse anymore, especially conservatives, that they let the Left suck them into these narratives, not understanding that the same narratives will pop up again with the next one.
"They said"
So what what they said. It was what is true that matters. Did Reagan pay porn stars and playboy bunnies to be quiet about sex while his third wife was pregnant with his son? Did Reagan go to Epstein's island on Epstein's private plane to have fun in the sun with young girls? Did Reagan have a fixer lawyer so he could bury things he didn't want made public. We'll see if Trump claimed those expenses as being business expenses which would be tax evasion. Did Reagan brag about doing other powerful men's wives in a book he wrote? Did Reagan brag about buying politicians to get special treatment for his businesses?
If you look closely you might notice some differences between Trump and Reagan...
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Again dude, they said Reagan and Bush had baggage, and then manufactured more. Then look the other way when the Dems to the same or worse.
People get so snitty stain-glassed high horse anymore, especially conservatives, that they let the Left suck them into these narratives, not understanding that the same narratives will pop up again with the next one.
Why is it that you think that having the same standards as one had 50 or more years ago is "snitty stain-glassed high horse?"
I find it curious that having the principles that all Conservatives once held, and that have stood the test of time, results in such verbal derision.
What are we supposed to do? Stop believing in moral absolutes, the Constitution, and America as it was founded because Trump got elected?
Please explain.
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I'd enjoy this picture more if he was holding the $5 Billion Dollar Check he is getting ready to send Mexico
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"They said"
So what what they said. It was what is true that matters. Did Reagan pay porn stars and playboy bunnies to be quiet about sex while his third wife was pregnant with his son? Did Reagan go to Epstein's island on Epstein's private plane to have fun in the sun with young girls? Did Reagan have a fixer lawyer so he could bury things he didn't want made public. We'll see if Trump claimed those expenses as being business expenses which would be tax evasion. Did Reagan brag about doing other powerful men's wives in a book he wrote? Did Reagan brag about buying politicians to get special treatment for his businesses?
If you look closely you might notice some differences between Trump and Reagan...
@DB
YIKES! Kinda got a fixation on porn and whores,don't you? I bet there is a lot of kink going on inside that head of yours that nobody but paid professionals know anything about.
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@DB
YIKES! Kinda got a fixation on porn and whores,don't you? I bet there is a lot of kink going on inside that head of yours that nobody but paid professionals know anything about.
Actually no, I've never paid one. Do you know someone who has?
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"They said"
So what what they said. It was what is true that matters. Did Reagan pay porn stars and playboy bunnies to be quiet about sex while his third wife was pregnant with his son? Did Reagan go to Epstein's island on Epstein's private plane to have fun in the sun with young girls? Did Reagan have a fixer lawyer so he could bury things he didn't want made public. We'll see if Trump claimed those expenses as being business expenses which would be tax evasion. Did Reagan brag about doing other powerful men's wives in a book he wrote? Did Reagan brag about buying politicians to get special treatment for his businesses?
If you look closely you might notice some differences between Trump and Reagan...
Does it matter? They said Reagan had alzheimers, made up all sorts of conspiracy theories about Iran-Contra, lambasted his kids, went after both Bushes, Cheney, and every official in their admin they could, accusing them of everything from racism to war crimes.
You can focus on all that stuff all you want. All I know is that if pure-as-the-wind-driven-snow Pence somehow ends up as President, he will be the biggest sleazebag on the planet. Maybe not for fixer lawyers, but for something else.
Do you get it yet?
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Does it matter? They said Reagan had alzheimers, made up all sorts of conspiracy theories about Iran-Contra, lambasted his kids, went after both Bushes, Cheney, and every official in their admin they could, accusing them of everything from racism to war crimes.
You can focus on all that stuff all you want. All I know is that if pure-as-the-wind-driven-snow Pence somehow ends up as President, he will be the biggest sleazebag on the planet. Maybe not for fixer lawyers, but for something else.
Do you get it yet?
Reagan served a full 8 years. So so what what they said. Nothing stuck. He was the "teflon President". It didn't stick because it wasn't true.
Trump is getting stickier by the day. Truth matters. Do you get it yet?
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Nobody knows what the future will bring.
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Reagan served a full 8 years. So so what what they said. Nothing stuck. He was the "teflon President". It didn't stick because it wasn't true.
Trump is getting stickier by the day. Truth matters. Do you get it yet?
Also missed the part where Reagan was paying off strippers and nude models hush money too.
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Nobody knows what the future will bring.
No, but we can make some pretty good predictions based on history and experience.
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@Right_in_Virginia
DAYUM,but you are on a roll! I am eaten alive with envy because I didn't write that post.
LOL! Know exactly what you mean, @sneakypete !
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Reagan served a full 8 years. So so what what they said. Nothing stuck. He was the "teflon President". It didn't stick because it wasn't true.
Trump is getting stickier by the day. Truth matters. Do you get it yet?
It didn't stick because they didn't have the machine to go after him like they do today. You can sit here and keep trying to appeal to your designated moral achors all you want, but the reality is that any GOP President will be characterized by the left today as a liar and a criminal, and every opportunity will be used to take them down.
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Reagan served a full 8 years. So so what what they said. Nothing stuck. He was the "teflon President". It didn't stick because it wasn't true.
Trump is getting stickier by the day. Truth matters. Do you get it yet?
No and they won't. We were told the Donald would carry Republicans to victory in the midterms, and anyone who claimed otherwise was a dem stooge. Even after the slaughter they won't give an inch. We're fed the bogus Rasmussen polls ... same outfit that predicted a Bush landslide, Romney victory, and a popular vote tie in the 2018 house races.
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It didn't stick because they didn't have the machine to go after him like they do today. You can sit here and keep trying to appeal to your designated moral achors all you want, but the reality is that any GOP President will be characterized by the left today as a liar and a criminal, and every opportunity will be used to take them down.
But isn't it worse when the "Republican" President gives the enemy ammunition because of his petulance and ignorance of the Constitution?
Reagan never did that because he was mature and a Conservative thinker long before he was elected. They just made stuff up about him.
There's NO (positive) comparison between the two.
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It didn't stick because they didn't have the machine to go after him like they do today.
That’s absurd. They were at the height of their power, just a decade removed from ousting Nixon. Television consisted of the three networks and PBS. The newspapers were all liberal and maybe they would occasionally run a ‘conservative’ column by that drip George Will. They have a stranglehold on the news and narrative. The biggest difference between then and now was the fact Reagan used his airtime to convey an actual message and had competent people to carry it out.
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@RoosGirl
Thank you for finally admitting you care nothing about America,and only care about feeding your bitterness .
Little people are always trying to tear down giants.
Yes, I actually have a written Mission Statement that basically affirms that my sole goal in life is to annoy people like you. Think I'm doing pretty good so far, but there's always room for adjustment. More importantly, thank you for helping me toward my goal. I have an appreciation gift I would like to send you. It's a Gideon's Bible I stole the last time I went on vacation Kindly send me a PM with your email address and I will get it right off to you. And just so you know ahead of time, postage will most likely be due upon delivery
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That’s absurd. They were at the height of their power, just a decade removed from ousting Nixon. Television consisted of the three networks and PBS. The newspapers were all liberal and maybe they would occasionally run a ‘conservative’ column by that drip George Will. They have a stranglehold on the news and narrative. The biggest difference between then and now was the fact Reagan used his airtime to convey an actual message and had competent people to carry it out.
You go right ahead and believe that canard. I thought the internet would change things, but the fact is the libs pretty much own it and are using it against us far more effectively that the Big 3 ever were.
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I have finished reading this book and will send it to you @RoosGirl so you can include it in your Christmas package to @sneakypete.
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You go right ahead and believe that canard. I thought the internet would change things, but the fact is the libs pretty much own it and are using it against us far more effectively that the Big 3 ever were.
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Reagan signed abortion legislation in California. Christians have faced severe persecution and worse beginning with the 2003 Gulf war.
All this shows, is that one can nit pick on anyone.
More voters for HRC in 2016? Yes, with California, take that out... and then...
Democrats have also won the popular vote in most presidential elections going back, 20 years or more. Didn't Gore win more of the popular vote? GOP has only won the popular vote in 2004 I believe in recent elections. This shows how difficult it has been for the GOP to win, period.
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Wow, a meme. How quaint. You win the internets. Your retort makes you Pope.
You better take a hard look at the Milllenials, soon to be the biggest voting block there, and highly liberal.
They get everything they know from the internet, yet remain highly liberal. Why is that?
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You go right ahead and believe that canard. I thought the internet would change things, but the fact is the libs pretty much own it and are using it against us far more effectively that the Big 3 ever were.
Agreed, it's why any conservative voice is attacked, as is Fox news whom I am not saying are ideal.
But yes, the liberals have a lot of the tv coverage including satellite, TIME, NYT, WAPO, you are absolutely correct and it's a lot more than just saying ABC, etc.
I do agree, that conservatives have new outlets too, Rush and so on, OANN, Newsmax, etc.
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Wow, a meme. How quaint. You win the internets. Your retort makes you Pope.
You better take a hard look at the Milllenials, soon to be the biggest voting block there, and highly liberal.
They get everything they know from the internet, yet remain highly liberal. Why is that?
LOL!
Somehow the Internet is less free than when the 3 major networks and major papers owned the news and filtered all of it before we saw it... That's the ticket...
Face palm makes perfect sense with that claim... Just this site discussing this issue proves the falsehood of that claim. But never mind...
Just out of curiosity, did you vote for Reagan?
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I have finished reading this book and will send it to you @RoosGirl so you can include it in your Christmas package to @sneakypete.
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@corbe and in the meantime, I'll ping @sneakypete , per this article on the man of the day, General Flynn:
Former U.S. Military Official Says George W. Bush Created ISIS
In the early 2000s, America made some 'dumb' decisions, he says.
By Lauren Boyer, Social Media Editor Dec. 1, 2015, at 11:05 a.m.
Lt. General Michael Flynn isn't afraid to speak up when it comes to his views on America's handling of ISIS.
He has even gone so far as to predict another 9/11 attack.
This month, the retired Defense Intelligence Agency director sat down with German magazine Der Spiegel for an interview where he blamed the 2003 Iraq war — and then President George W. Bush — for creating the Islamic State terrorist group.
https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/12/01/former-military-official-says-george-w-bush-created-isis (https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/12/01/former-military-official-says-george-w-bush-created-isis)
This shows, these debates are pretty pointless, Trump has no major foreign policy snafus and indeed, is doing very well in that category, I don't want this admin to have any Libyas, Egypts, Honduras like Obama had or the same errors as prior presidents, in fact, I've got to wonder about Reagan some... but we've got to work with what we have.
This with Yemen (which started under Obama) and the Khashoggi affair, really highlight, I'd like Trump and company to study the situations and to end involvement in Yemen if needed. We've made enough foreign policy errors. Sometimes, such errors will happen.
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Reagan signed abortion legislation in California. Christians have faced severe persecution and worse beginning with the 2003 Gulf war.
All this shows, is that one can nit pick on anyone.
More voters for HRC in 2016? Yes, with California, take that out... and then...
Democrats have also won the popular vote in most presidential elections going back, 20 years or more. Didn't Gore win more of the popular vote? GOP has only won the popular vote in 2004 I believe in recent elections. This shows how difficult it has been for the GOP to win, period.
Reagan also signed the first amnesty bill, people forget about that.
@TomSea
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This thread is a effing disgrace. The same people saying the same shit they have been saying for 2 years. 16 pages of it. Pointless.
I'm going to hijack this thread a ruin it. It's better than it deserves....
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Wow, a meme. How quaint. You win the internets. Your retort makes you Pope.
You better take a hard look at the Milllenials, soon to be the biggest voting block there, and highly liberal.
They get everything they know from the internet, yet remain highly liberal. Why is that?
Because they are 140 character attention deficit idiots. The difference between them and some of Trump’s most ardent supporters is they are 280 character attention deficit idiots.
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@corbe and in the meantime, I'll ping @sneakypete , per this article on the man of the day, General Flynn:
This shows, these debates are pretty pointless, Trump has no major foreign policy snafus and indeed, is doing very well in that category, I don't want this admin to have any Libyas, Egypts, Honduras like Obama had or the same errors as prior presidents, in fact, I've got to wonder about Reagan some... but we've got to work with what we have.
Right. NK surrendered their nukes and we can all sleep easier at night. Oh wait...
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Reagan also signed the first amnesty bill, people forget about that.
@TomSea
Nope. Haven't forgot. He made a deal with the Democrats and they lied. Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me.
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@Amb. Frank Cannon
I know. Still waiting on an explanation of populism/nationalism being anti conservatism.
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@corbe and in the meantime, I'll ping @sneakypete , per this article on the man of the day, General Flynn:
This shows, these debates are pretty pointless, Trump has no major foreign policy snafus and indeed, is doing very well in that category, I don't want this admin to have any Libyas, Egypts, Honduras like Obama had or the same errors as prior presidents, in fact, I've got to wonder about Reagan some... but we've got to work with what we have.
This with Yemen (which started under Obama) and the Khashoggi affair, really highlight, I'd like Trump and company to study the situations and to end involvement in Yemen if needed. We've made enough foreign policy errors. Sometimes, such errors will happen.
@TomSea
ROFLMAO! Boy Jorge never made a decision in his life. Babs was the brains and the boss of that family.
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@Amb. Frank Cannon
I know. Still waiting on an explanation of populism/nationalism being anti conservatism.
Populism isn't based on any particular set of principles. It can be whatever is popular at the moment. It blows with the wind and can change on a dime. What was great yesterday can be the worst today. It is how Trump can do a 180 on something in days. It is a foundation built on nothing so it soon crumbles.
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Nope. Haven't forgot. He made a deal with the Democrats and they lied. Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me.
@DB
In Reagan's defense,it was a different world back then,and he had no reason to believe the Dims were lying to him.
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This thread is a effing disgrace. The same people saying the same shit they have been saying for 2 years. 16 pages of it. Pointless.
I'm going to hijack this thread a ruin it. It's better than it deserves....
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That's some serious burn... I don't think an antibiotic will fix that...
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@Amb. Frank Cannon
I know. Still waiting on an explanation of populism/nationalism being anti conservatism.
While you are waiting, here is something for you to kill time....
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@TomSea I absolutely give Trump credit for beefing up the Defense budget after 8 years of obummer depleting it AND more importantly not starting any NEW Wars as he said he wouldn't do. We need to disengage as much as economically feasible from the ME and it appears the GOP is trying to push him in that direction (Yemen/SA), next up Crapganistan and Syria.
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@DB
In Reagan's defense,it was a different world back then,and he had no reason to believe the Dims were lying to him.
What?
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Yes, I actually have a written Mission Statement that basically affirms that my sole goal in life is to annoy people like you. Think I'm doing pretty good so far, but there's always room for adjustment. More importantly, thank you for helping me toward my goal. I have an appreciation gift I would like to send you. It's a Gideon's Bible I stole the last time I went on vacation Kindly send me a PM with your email address and I will get it right off to you. And just so you know ahead of time, postage will most likely be due upon delivery
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(btw, did he just call you a "little people" and himself a "giant?" :silly:)
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@DB
In Reagan's defense,it was a different world back then,and he had no reason to believe the Dims were lying to him.
"Trust but verify..."
No one is perfect.
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That’s absurd. They were at the height of their power, just a decade removed from ousting Nixon. Television consisted of the three networks and PBS. The newspapers were all liberal and maybe they would occasionally run a ‘conservative’ column by that drip George Will. They have a stranglehold on the news and narrative. The biggest difference between then and now was the fact Reagan used his airtime to convey an actual message and had competent people to carry it out.
Aayup!
Trump ain't no Reagan, no way, no how......
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Populism isn't based on any particular set of principles. It can be whatever is popular at the moment. It blows with the wind and can change on a dime. What was great yesterday can be the worst today. It is how Trump can do a 180 on something in days. It is a foundation built on nothing so it soon crumbles.
Which is why populism is the opposite of Conservatism.
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Which is why populism is the opposite of Conservatism.
It sure is.
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Yes, I actually have a written Mission Statement that basically affirms that my sole goal in life is to annoy people like you.
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Can we call this thread?
The dumpster fire is here! 8888mistltoe
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Yeah, Trump is no Reagan, Trump did not sign abortion into legislation in California, engage in amnesty, have to replace the leadership in the El Salvador army with American military because the armies were so brutal to their own people. Didn't witness the rise of ISIS as Obama did, the rise of persecution of Christians in 2003 in a land those people have been in for 2000 years. Trump really falls short of these presidents alright. He did help end the Korean war, small potatoes I suppose.
Populism, let's see, Bolsonaro in Brazil, Macri in Argnetina, Salvatinni in Italy, BREXIT in England... doesn't sound like the opposite of Conservatism to me. That is why, when we see the general media is calling Trump conservative versus other naysayers.
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Can we call this thread?
The dumpster fire is here! 8888mistltoe
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OPEN THREAD TUESDAY!!!!!
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LOL!
Somehow the Internet is less free than when the 3 major networks and major papers owned the news and filtered all of it before we saw it... That's the ticket...
Face palm makes perfect sense with that claim... Just this site discussing this issue proves the falsehood of that claim. But never mind...
Just out of curiosity, did you vote for Reagan?
Because your thinking is 1980's. Times have grown more sophisticated.
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THAT is why you are Ambassador!
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Dated...but still funny....
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THAT is why you are Ambassador!
Oh, good, because I had wondered.
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Because your thinking is 1980's. Times have grown more sophisticated.
Again did you vote for Reagan?
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Oh, good, because I had wondered.
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Oh, good, because I had wondered.
I have no idea what is happening here. But that might be a good thing.
Carry on.
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I have no idea what is happening here.
Here's the long and the short of it.....
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Ambassador Frank has let his 'title' go to his head. :patriot:
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Post #1, the OP had the article from "The American Conservative", here is another article from "The American Conservative":
How the Iraq War Became a War on Christians
And why supporting Syria's rebels may extinguish Christianity in its oldest environs.
By Andrew Doran • May 9, 2013
The recent dedication of George W. Bush’s presidential library in Texas briefly rekindled debate about the defining event of his presidency, the Iraq War. The visceral hatred of many for the war and the man having substantially diminished, a more sober assessment of both seemed to prevail in the coverage. In the same news cycle there appeared a seemingly unrelated event, the abduction of two Orthodox bishops in Syria. In fact, the conflict in Syria and the American invasion of Iraq are linked by a common thread: the failure of the U.S. to consider the effect of its foreign policy on vulnerable religious communities, especially Middle Eastern Christians.
In March 2003, on the eve of war in Iraq, Pope John Paul II dispatched Cardinal Pio Laghi, a senior Vatican diplomat, to Washington to make a final plea to Bush not to invade. Laghi, chosen for his close ties to the Bush family, outlined “clearly and forcefully†the Vatican’s fears of what would follow an invasion: protracted war, significant casualties, violence between ethnic and religious groups, regional destabilization, “and a new gulf between Christianity and Islam.†The warning was not heeded.
Two weeks after the Bush-Laghi meeting, on March 19, 2003, Operation Iraqi Freedom commenced. Shortly after combat operations concluded on May 1, the real conflict began. Amid the chaos and sectarian violence that followed, Iraq’s Christians suffered severe persecution. Neither the military nor the State Department took action to protect them. In October 2003, human rights expert Nina Shea noted that religious freedom and a pluralistic Iraq were not high priorities for the administration, concluding that its “diffidence on religious freedom suggests Washington’s relative indifference to this basic human right.†Shea added, “Washington’s refusal to insist on guarantees of religious freedom threatens to undermine its already difficult task of securing a fully democratic government in Iraqâ€â€”more prescience that would be likewise disregarded.
Read more at: https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/how-the-iraq-war-became-a-war-on-christians/ (https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/how-the-iraq-war-became-a-war-on-christians/)
Trump didn't hang out Christians to dry, in fact, aid to Christians was just signed.
As they say, when you point towards others, you have 3 fingers pointing back at you.
Yup, populism isn't conservatism. I guess, if the persecution of Christians in the ME is that, you can be content.
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Ambassador Frank has let his 'title' go to his head. :patriot:
I'm doing the jobs no one else will take......
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"Populism is a range of political approaches that deliberately appeal to "the people," often juxtaposing this group against a so-called "elite." There is no single definition of the term, which developed in the 19th century and has been used to mean various things since that time. Wikipedia"
(google quick and dirty definition)
In plain old english, it's a bullshit term, meaning everything, and nothing.
Since it's rooted in popular/populace I'd like one of the Masters of the English Language here to tell me how a Populist can even be elected (to Try to subvert their lofty moralizings) without being Popular?
How does Anyone get elected without being a Populist?
Kinda like accusing one of your opponents girls of being a Thespian.
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Remember when I said this was a good thread?
I changed my mind.
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@Amb. Frank Cannon
Hey Frank...how bout this? How bout instead of being a dick and playing your childish picture games every time YOU decide a thread annoys you...how about you just stop clicking on the damn thread and go haunt a different one?
It’s at 16 pages because people want to talk and argue about it. If you don’t, don’t click. Stop being a libtard asshat and deciding that you should decide what everyone else needs to do.
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Remember when I said this was a good thread?
I changed my mind.
People have degenerated to arguing over a President from 35 years ago this thing is such a overflowing septic tank. It is garbage.
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@Amb. Frank Cannon
Hey Frank...how bout this? How bout instead of being a dick and playing your childish picture games every time YOU decide a thread annoys you...how about you just stop clicking on the damn thread and go haunt a different one?
It’s at 16 pages because people want to talk and argue about it. If you don’t, don’t click. Stop being a libtard asshat and deciding that you should decide what everyone else needs to do.
You really don't get it do you?
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@Amb. Frank Cannon
Hey Frank...how bout this? How bout instead of being a dick and playing your childish picture games every time YOU decide a thread annoys you...how about you just stop clicking on the damn thread and go haunt a different one?
It’s at 16 pages because people want to talk and argue about it. If you don’t, don’t click. Stop being a libtard asshat and deciding that you should decide what everyone else needs to do.
Tell me what constructive thing that has happened here past page 10? Not a g oddamn thing. It's the same Never Trumps baiting Trumpers bullshit that is played the eff out. It is also spamming the hell out of the active thread section so current relevant stories are being pushed down the feed by 3 or 4 people saying the same thing over and over.
BTW people are not constructively arguing about anything. The people who hate Trump are shitting on him as usual with the same tired memes and the Trump supporters are defending him all based on a piece of vomit editorial. Enough already. I'm sure Donny did at least 10 things today that triggered you enough to find a new line of attack on him and his supporters.
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Actually, I think @Axeslinger adds a very valuable point, There are Briefers that want to discuss this further and we're crapping in their cage.
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Actually, I think @Axeslinger adds a very valuable point, There are Briefers that want to discuss this further and we're crapping in their cage.
You always drop the 1st turd.
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Remember when I said this was a good thread?
I changed my mind.
Yeah? Well at least Frank's jokes aren't ones I've already seen, here, verbatim, word for word, on every other damn thread for over 2 years now.
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Tell me what constructive thing that has happened here past page 10? Not a g oddamn thing. It's the same Never Trumps baiting Trumpers bullshit that is played the eff out. It is also spamming the hell out of the active thread section so current relevant stories are being pushed down the feed by 3 or 4 people saying the same thing over and over.
BTW people are not constructively arguing about anything. The people who hate Trump are shitting on him as usual with the same tired memes and the Trump supporters are defending him all based on a piece of vomit editorial. Enough already. I'm sure Donny did at least 10 things today that triggered you enough to find a new line of attack on him and his supporters.
@Amb. Frank Cannon
I get your complaints...perfectly. But people are here discussing it, fairly rationally might I add, because THEY as individuals WANT to do that...so who the hell are you to decide they shouldn’t? You’re just another member here. When people have had enough, the thread will die. You have no right to be the moral arbiter of whether a thread deserves members attention. Just click elsewhere...or better yet, get off your ass and start a different one that will attract attention.
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You always drop the 1st turd.
I've had that problem ever since I quite taking Norco's. @The Ghost
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@Amb. Frank Cannon
I get your complaints...perfectly. But people are here discussing it, fairly rationally might I add, because THEY as individuals WANT to do that...so who the hell are you to decide they shouldn’t? You’re just another member here. When people have had enough, the thread will die. You have no right to be the moral arbiter of whether a thread deserves members attention. Just click elsewhere...or better yet, get off your ass and start a different one that will attract attention.
I have every right in the world to shit all over a thread. It's my comment on what has become a bore and sickness on this forum which is the non stop disgust at Trump by the same crew.
Read the original source article again. It's a total flame piece written by a noted Trump Hating nobody who masturbates to copies of The Weekly Standard...
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-biggest-losers-of-trumps-presidency-his-voters/ (https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-biggest-losers-of-trumps-presidency-his-voters/)
He has been trashing Trump since he announced....
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/dec/27/robert-w-merry-donald-trumps-decline/ (https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/dec/27/robert-w-merry-donald-trumps-decline/)
All this thread is now is people pretending they are taking a high moral road as they are denigrating others wrapped in this lame Beltway garbage piece for legitimacy.
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Reagan also signed the first amnesty bill, people forget about that.
@TomSea
I don't.
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Populism isn't based on any particular set of principles. It can be whatever is popular at the moment. It blows with the wind and can change on a dime. What was great yesterday can be the worst today. It is how Trump can do a 180 on something in days. It is a foundation built on nothing so it soon crumbles.
My Bible has a warning about that.
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I've had that problem ever since I quite taking Norco's. @The Ghost
There are ways to ease withdrawal from Norco @corbe I know The forum @Amb. Frank Cannon has helped many people overcome their addiction problems.
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Tell me what constructive thing that has happened here past page 10? Not a g oddamn thing. It's the same Never Trumps baiting Trumpers bullshit that is played the eff out. It is also spamming the hell out of the active thread section so current relevant stories are being pushed down the feed by 3 or 4 people saying the same thing over and over.
BTW people are not constructively arguing about anything. The people who hate Trump are shitting on him as usual with the same tired memes and the Trump supporters are defending him all based on a piece of vomit editorial. Enough already. I'm sure Donny did at least 10 things today that triggered you enough to find a new line of attack on him and his supporters.
That's not true. I offered Pete a chance to come to Christ through the stolen Bible I was going to send him. I don't understand why he hasn't PMd me his mailing address yet though.
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I have every right in the world to shit all over a thread. It's my comment on what has become a bore and sickness on this forum which is the non stop disgust at Trump by the same crew.
Read the original source article again. It's a total flame piece written by a noted Trump Hating nobody who masturbates to copies of The Weekly Standard...
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-biggest-losers-of-trumps-presidency-his-voters/ (https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-biggest-losers-of-trumps-presidency-his-voters/)
He has been trashing Trump since he announced....
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/dec/27/robert-w-merry-donald-trumps-decline/ (https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/dec/27/robert-w-merry-donald-trumps-decline/)
All this thread is now is people pretending they are taking a high moral road as they are denigrating others wrapped in this lame Beltway garbage piece for legitimacy.
@Amb. Frank Cannon
So you ARE like every libtard asshat: you think you know better than everyone else. Get off your high horse and go haunt a different thread.
Notice my beef here has nothing to do with the source article or which side of this argument (about trump) you fall on. It has everything to do with you thinking you have the right to derail thread after thread after thread merely because YOU decide you’re tired of it. Grow the hell up!
Start you’re own, click elsewhere or add a constructive comment to the existing thread. But serially hijacking threads because you think you know better is nothing but being a douche.
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Tell me what constructive thing that has happened here past page 10? Not a g oddamn thing. It's the same Never Trumps baiting Trumpers bullshit that is played the eff out. It is also spamming the hell out of the active thread section so current relevant stories are being pushed down the feed by 3 or 4 people saying the same thing over and over.
BTW people are not constructively arguing about anything. The people who hate Trump are shitting on him as usual with the same tired memes and the Trump supporters are defending him all based on a piece of vomit editorial. Enough already. I'm sure Donny did at least 10 things today that triggered you enough to find a new line of attack on him and his supporters.
ROFL!!!! You are defending Trump. He needs some bad jokes, wait.......he is the joke.
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@Sanguine
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Thoughtful.
Reading induces reflection which can either alter or reinforce behavior.
Yet to change, one must have the humility to recognize one's mistakes.
Anne MacLeod, his Scottish mother, labeled him incorrigible; incapable
of changing behavior, some 60 years ago and nothing is different since.
Instead Trump preens w/conceit and hubris, surrounding himself
w/fawners and lackeys who kow-tow as he struts by, applauding himself.
Consequently, his unforced errors are repeated endlessly; no surprise.
Great Nation/States, such as Rome, endured for 12 centuries, the
British Empire for 400 years; while we are a tad past 2 centuries.
Much more ominously, our Founders, among them; Adams,
Jefferson, Madison, Rutledge, Hancock and the rest, are gone!
In our material world nothing endures for eternity. NOTHING!!!
The best any culture/society can expect or hope for is longevity;
if it behaves w/ the attitudes, behaviors and values that gave it existence.
Lightweights believe repeating their mantra,"We are the greatest";
is all that is necessary to sustain us.
History will have the last word and will be neither so kind nor so naive'.
I generally agree with your assessment of Trump. It's a no-brainer.
However, what I find very significant--even wonderfully significant in the bigger picture--is the very fact that God overruled my fervent prayers for Cruz over and against Trump (which prayers were earnestly interceding for our obviously undeserving nation). My point here is that I have learned from forty years of experience as a Christian that I have every reason to be content when God overrules me: it always turns out that He has a better plan.
(Sometimes I have to be patient in grasping His better plan--which scenario of necessary patience amounts to a challenge of faith--but I usually grow into real optimism over the very fact that my prayer was overruled.)
In short, I have learned to resist complaining about God's providence, and when I succeed in setting aside my complaining, I invariably start expecting to see some sort of blessing from God that I had not anticipated; this perspective, in turn, gives me the ability to notice things that I had overlooked.
Here's how things have unfolded for me: I have never regretted my refusal to vote for Trump in the nomination process; I was utterly appalled when he beat Cruz in a dirty campaign. I have never regretted my refusal to vote for Trump in the general election (but I confess that I was rather relieved when HRC lost to him). And I have to admit that Trump appalled me even more when on the day of his inauguration he made a gratuitous remark calling the Clintons "good people" who had suffered enough. I assumed that this apparent breach of an extraordinarily important campaign promise vindicated me for refusing to vote for him: I could not see how such a liar's Presidency would bring any of God's mercy to America. However, I noticed some significant benefits to America over the next few months. So, I begin to have second thoughts about him--after which I discovered a lot of very important stuff that Trump has been doing behind the scenes. I really think he is utterly determined to destroy the Deep State. I think he knows how to execute a difficult but well-conceived plan.
I have come to the conclusion that our shady but shrewd Egotist-in-Chief is precisely the sort of daring and determined POTUS who can pull it off--whether he knows God or not. And there is an important Biblical precedent for this.
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@Amb. Frank Cannon
So you ARE like every libtard asshat: you think you know better than everyone else. Get off your high horse and go haunt a different thread.
Notice my beef here has nothing to do with the source article or which side of this argument (about trump) you fall on. It has everything to do with you thinking you have the right to derail thread after thread after thread merely because YOU decide you’re tired of it. Grow the hell up!
Start you’re own, click elsewhere or add a constructive comment to the existing thread. But serially hijacking threads because you think you know better is nothing but being a douche.
Oh for the love of dog.
We've All had to put up with that Exact sentiment from INVAR (and others) from the start. "It's a public forum and you can't Make me stop."
But now that it's even jokingly on the other shoe it's Off Limits?
Bullshit. Frank's point is extremely well taken.
What's good for the goose is good for the "I'm Through with the rest of you! I've had it. I'm off to go Save as many other Real conservatives as I can, and Together, we of the SEEKRET PLAN will boldly carve out our way back to God's Kingdom of Politically Approved Self Righteous Sanctimony."
Thread after thread after thread we've had to wade through that choking, stinking, vapid Bog of childish temper tantrums for freakin Years.
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It sure is.
Ditto that. Populism was anathema to our Framers. Hamilton said "The masses are asses." (That's a little severe, but it's certainly memorable.)
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Oh for the love of dog.
We've All had to put up with that Exact sentiment from INVAR (and others) from the start. "It's a public forum and you can't Make me stop."
But now that it's even jokingly on the other shoe it's Off Limits?
Bullshit. Frank's point is extremely well taken.
What's good for the goose is good for the "I'm Through with the rest of you! I've had it. I'm off to go Save as many other Real conservatives as I can, and Together, we of the SEEKRET PLAN will boldly carve out our way back to God's Kingdom of Politically Approved Self Righteous Sanctimony."
Thread after thread after thread we've had to wade through that choking, stinking, vapid Bog of childish temper tantrums for freakin Years.
@To-Whose-Benefit?
See? No problem. A salient comment.
Everyone on this forum would be well served to realize that no one is as pure as the driven snow. Both sides have been assholes and both sides have valid points.
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Same shit. Different day from the NT faction. Rinse and repeat.
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Did it ever occur to you @To-Whose-Benefit? that there may be more than just a few Briefers that actually enjoy the back and forth with the 'other side' here? We may not agree on some things but the respect is there, kinda like Christmas at Grandmaws.
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Did it ever occur to you @To-Whose-Benefit? that there may be more than just a few Briefers that actually enjoy the back and forth with the 'other side' here? We may not agree on some things but the respect is there, kinda like Christmas at Grandmaws.
The "respect" part gets chipped away with every new page. Compare page 1 with page 15.
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@Right_in_Virginia
DAYUM,but you are on a roll! I am eaten alive with envy because I didn't write that post.
LOL! Thanks @sneakypete .... you're my inspiration. :bighug:
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The "respect" part gets chipped away with every new page. Compare page 1 with page 15.
Yep. Some threads just need to be nipped in the bud when *it happens.
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Everyone on this forum would be well served to realize that no one is as pure as the driven snow. Both sides have been assholes and both sides have valid points.
Exactly
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The "respect" part gets chipped away with every new page. Compare page 1 with page 15.
Family Dinners at Granmaws have not been the same since my Mother locked her up in 'the home', she voted for Bernie just to pizz my Mother off.
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Yep. Some threads just need to be nipped in the bud when *it happens.
Here’s a hint....stop posting on it and it will eventually peter out on its own.
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Here’s a hint....stop posting on it and it will eventually peter out on its own.
Dude, you were bigly up on this thread. There was no way you wanted it to "peter" out. Besides you are way off base. I'm a lover, not a fighter. :cool:
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Dude, you were bigly up on this thread. There was no way you wanted it to "peter" out. Besides you are way off base. I'm a lover, not a fighter. :cool:
I wasn’t the one calling for it to be “nipped†though was I?
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OK, I'll bite...which conservative principles are moving forward on the Trump Train? I think you've confused "conservative" with "populist" and/or "nationalist".
I asked this question about 12 hours ago. There was a bit of a discussion before the thread devolved into an oozing mass of scatology.
Is there a mod that can end this beast?
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You want this thread locked?..I can do that...say the word.
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Post of the day only if you don't go back and read what Trump said he was actually going to do...not work towards...if he was elected.
He made definitive statements about things that would happen in a Trump presidency...not "well I'll try to get this done or I'll work towards this if I'm elected".
Clear definitive statements of things he would make happen that no other candidate would or could.
And now that starting the day over the 2016 election results were in he started back tracking...the word parsing and history rewrite by his faithful core has begun.
One of President Reagan’s campaign promises in his successful run for president was to eliminate the department of education. He didn’t say that he would try to eliminate it or wouldn’t it be nice if it were eliminated; just that he would eliminate it. Unfortunately, he didn’t succeed. But, it wasn’t for lack of campaign rhetoric. But that’s how it’s done. Candidates say their goal is to keep certain promises to the voters. Some things get done, but some prove impossible to achieve.
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@Amb. Frank Cannon
Hey Frank...how bout this? How bout instead of being a dick and playing your childish picture games every time YOU decide a thread annoys you...how about you just stop clicking on the damn thread and go haunt a different one?
It’s at 16 pages because people want to talk and argue about it. If you don’t, don’t click. Stop being a libtard asshat and deciding that you should decide what everyone else needs to do.
Silly. Don't you know anything?
It's done in order to get people to click on the hundreds of other thread titles that people take the time to post.
It's just his puerile personality. He thinks he's cute because he's got papal dispensation.
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@Chosen Daughter always post provocative threads that get everybody's panties bunched up, SHE is the problem. 8888mistltoe
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You want this thread locked?..I can do that...say the word.
Word.
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It wouldn't be fair to the few NT'ers we haven't heard from yet.
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