The Biggest Losers of Trump’s Presidency: His Voters

[Sanguine]

I admire her acumen and skill as a forceful advocate for American interests in the U.N.   I think she can expand the coalition that Trump assembled,  by combining Trump's Americanism with class rather than crass.   

But, her beliefs?  Because that's what will be used, should she be elected to anything again.  Not her style or persona, but her beliefs.

[libertybele]

Calm yourself down @Axeslinger and reread my post.  The only charade that has been exposed is the political label "conservative".  It is meaningless in today's political world.  It has come to be known as the politics of a group of aging didactic, religious zealots who have no plan for America's future.  And if they could talk a plan into existence, they'd not have the energy or strategic wherewithal to implement it.  So stop whining about someone not being "conservative" enough.  It is meaningless.  And stop whining about not having enough "conservatives" in office.  No one wants them and what they've become.

If you'd move your gaze from your rearview mirror you might be able to see that the awful, dirty "populism" has absorbed the best of conservatism.  The principles Americans voted for were smaller government, beating back deep-state corruption, fair trade, the right to American sovereignty, including the rule of law in immigration; a strong military, constitutionalist judges, the 2nd Amendment, the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

It's not called "conservatism".  It's called Americanism.  America's best principles first.

So move the hell out of the 80's and get on the damn train --- before it backs up and runs over you again.


@roamer_1  too.

Conservatism is adhering to the Constitution and the principles upon which this country was founded.  To deviate from that is why the hell this country is in the position its in.

Americanism is having pride in one's country and doing what's best for her. 

[Right_in_Virginia]

@Right_in_Virginia I’ve said it before; it needs be said again. YOU ROCK!

Put this to rest. Donald Trump has not failed his voters, nor will he fail if he continues as he has last three years.

What Trump promised his voters is that if they would elect him, he would work hard to achieve the conservative things he promised in the campaign. And by every objective standard he has worked tirelessly since then on those promises and has accomplished much despite tremendous opposition. I’ve never seen a man of his age work as hard. Compare that to Obama. That slacker never earned one day of his presidential (or senatorial) salary.

 

And thank you, @aligncare   

[Cyber Liberty]

Majority - The greater number.

I thought, in Electoral terms, a Majority means >50%.  Mrs. Clinton did not get >50%.

[Victoria33]

@Free Vulcan character is what you do when no one is looking.

@txradioguy

I had to belong to a national organization for counselors.  I went to their national conventions to gather hours I had to have to keep my license.  That meant all counselors I knew in my area were also there as they needed those hours.  A number of them changed into people I didn't know.  Some stayed drunk from the time they got there until they left; some of the men were bed hopping and they found women counselors to do that with them.  Their true "character" was showing.

One time a man wanted me to do the bed thing.  I said, "Sure, if you will pay the bills for my son in college, and pay for my present standard of living."  He said, "No, you are too expensive for me."  He left to find someone else.

[To-Whose-Benefit?]

Indeed y'all are... Compromise and pragmatism is what you are backing. I am backing the very same things I always have, The self same Principles of Conservatism that have always driven me. not a one of which is present in your movement (I chose that last word just for you, in consideration of your last reply).

If you want me off the 'sidelines', then show me Conservatism (which you can't)... And in the mean time, I will fold up my tent, as I have no dog in this hunt, and serve Conservatism else-wise.

This sounds a whole. Lot like another "I Have A Plan" member who couldn't let the cats out of His Plan Bag because I was too stupid to be entrusted with his God Is On My Side pontificating.

And these endless, bloody dog fights of slashing conservatism into two other Bags from Hell called Populism and Nationalism.

Which I don't see fleshed out as more than BAD-isms.

Considering the straits we're all currently in the Ism Schism makes as little sense as getting into an argument in a firefight over whether you need another magazine, clip, or just plain ammo.

[RoosGirl]

I thought, in Electoral terms, a Majority means >50%.  Mrs. Clinton did not get >50%.

That's right, but that's not exactly how I used it.  I believe plurality refers to the votes, I was talking about the voters.  Need weigh in on this from someone who speaks in more than just grunts and clicks like I do.

[Victoria33]

I thought, in Electoral terms, a Majority means >50%.  Mrs. Clinton did not get >50%.

@Cyber Liberty

Somewhere I saw the numbers and she did have more votes than he did.  What surprised me was it was the east coast and west coast that got her the larger number of votes.   I'll see if I can find the numbers again.

[Cyber Liberty]

@Cyber Liberty

Somewhere I saw the numbers and she did have more votes than he did.  What surprised me was it was the east coast and west coast that got her the larger number of votes.   I'll see if I can find the numbers again.

She did get more votes than Trump.  The question is, was that a Plurality or a Majority?  I'd like to hear from you on this, because you always do better than the grunts and clicks I also do....

[Sanguine]

She did get more votes than Trump.  The question is, was that a Plurality or a Majority?  I'd like to hear from you on this, because you always do better than the grunts and clicks I also do....

It's a majority of the votes between the two of them. 

[roamer_1]

Considering the straits we're all currently in the Ism Schism makes as little sense as getting into an argument in a firefight over whether you need another magazine, clip, or just plain ammo.

Considering the state we are in, the only remedy is raw, undiluted Conservatism.
Every other thing is doom. and with the current administration, wasting valuable, crucial time... and spending like it's his own money... I guess I'll see you in Venezuela.

[Hoodat]

OK, I'll bite...which conservative principles are moving forward on the Trump Train? I think you've confused "conservative" with "populist" and/or "nationalist".

It has been a long time since I have seen utter contempt for Conservatism worded this clearly"

Calm yourself down @Axeslinger and reread my post.  The only charade that has been exposed is the political label "conservative".  It is meaningless in today's political world.  It has come to be known as the politics of a group of aging didactic, religious zealots who have no plan for America's future.  And if they could talk a plan into existence, they'd not have the energy or strategic wherewithal to implement it.  So stop whining about someone not being "conservative" enough.  It is meaningless.  And stop whining about not having enough "conservatives" in office.  No one wants them and what they've become.

If we are to take this at face value, then there is an absolute disconnect between voicing such contempt while at the same time arguing that we should all jump on board the Trump train because that is where Conservatism resides.

Clearly, the two statements contradict each other.

[roamer_1]

It's a majority of the votes between the two of them.

technically a plurality, as there were more than two candidates...

[Cyber Liberty]

It's a majority of the votes between the two of them.

Between the two, yes.  But the Election was not between the two of them, it was a list of third-Party candidates too.  That's why there is a distinction between "Majority" and "Plurality."  Maybe it's purely academic, and there's no difference to the distinction?

[roamer_1]

It has been a long time since I have seen utter contempt for Conservatism worded this clearly"
If we are to take this at face value, then there is an absolute disconnect between voicing such contempt while at the same time arguing that we should all jump on board the Trump train because that is where Conservatism resides.

Clearly, the two statements contradict each other.

That's a fact.

[Hoodat]

She did get more votes than Trump.  The question is, was that a Plurality or a Majority?

Hillary did not win a majority of the popular vote.  In the history of our country, there have been only seven Democrats who have.

[Victoria33]

@Cyber Liberty

Trump 46.4% votes
62,984,825

Clinton 48.5% votes
65,853,516

[Hoodat]

Clinton 48.5% votes
65,853,516

I bet it galls Hillary to no end that she got a higher percentage of the popular vote than did her husband.

[Cyber Liberty]

@Cyber Liberty

Trump 46.4% votes
62,984,825

Clinton 48.5% votes
65,853,516

Thanks, @Victoria33!  @jmyrlefuller is correct:

http://www.ontheissues.org/AskMe/plurality.htm

[Cyber Liberty]

I bet it galls Hillary to no end that she got a higher percentage of the popular vote than did her husband.

And still lost! 

[RoosGirl]

Thanks, @Victoria33!  @jmyrlefuller is correct:

http://www.ontheissues.org/AskMe/plurality.htm

Not correct with respect to how I worded my sentence that he was correcting.  That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

[Sanguine]

Considering the state we are in, the only remedy is raw, undiluted Conservatism.
Every other thing is doom. and with the current administration, wasting valuable, crucial time... and spending like it's his own money... I guess I'll see you in Venezuela.

@roamer_1, even strict, raw conservatism won't work now, because at least half of the population doesn't understand the situation that we are in and will blame conservatism.   We will have to experience the consequences of actions before those people even begin to understand what has been wrought.

[Cyber Liberty]

Not correct with respect to how I worded my sentence that he was correcting.  That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

Far be it for me to ever try to unstick you from a story.  I've seen from my life's experience that never ends well...

[Cyber Liberty]

@roamer_1, even strict, raw conservatism won't work now, because at least half of the population doesn't understand the situation that we are in and will blame conservatism.   We will have to experience the consequences of actions before those people even begin to understand what has been wrought.

My advice:  Better stock up on toilet paper, dogs and cats.  And Zoo animals.

[RoosGirl]

Far be it for me to ever try to unstick you from a story.  I've seen from my life's experience that never ends well...