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« Reply #225 on: December 18, 2018, 01:37:33 pm »
With how he works within the guidelines of the law to get people like Flynn? I agree.

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« Reply #226 on: December 18, 2018, 01:47:13 pm »
"Ambassador"?

Crap, TBR is turning into TOS, but without the incessant Freepathons.

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« Reply #227 on: December 18, 2018, 01:52:44 pm »
The only charade that has been exposed is the political label "conservative".  It is meaningless in today's political world.  It has come to be known as the politics of a group of aging didactic, religious zealots who have no plan for America's future.  And if they could talk a plan into existence, they'd not have the energy or strategic wherewithal to implement it.  So stop whining about someone not being "conservative" enough.  It is meaningless.  And stop whining about not having enough "conservatives" in office.  No one wants them and what they've become.

If you'd move your gaze from your rearview mirror you might be able to see that the awful, dirty "populism" has absorbed the best of conservatism.  The principles Americans voted for were smaller government, beating back deep-state corruption, fair trade, the right to American sovereignty, including the rule of law in immigration; a strong military, constitutionalist judges, the 2nd Amendment, the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

It's not called "conservatism".  It's called Americanism.  America's best principles first.

So move the hell out of the 80's and get on the damn train --- before it backs up and runs over you again.



I agree with this, @Right_in_Virginia     Well said.   But (and you knew there'd be a but) you aren't addressing the premise of the opening post, which is that the promise of Trump's brilliant fusion of conservatism with Americanism is being squandered by Trump himself,  who continues with his absurd government-by-improvisation. 

The time has come to recognize that Trumpism, as a valid and viable formula for winning elections and moving this nation forward,  is threatened by Trump the man.   I am not alone in predicting that,  ultimately,  Trump will recognize this and decline to run for a second term,  thereby creating the opportunity for the fusion he pioneered to move forward,  and create a permanent alternative to the Democrats' socialism.   
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« Reply #228 on: December 18, 2018, 01:54:20 pm »
   Krauthammer was one of the greatest (in our time) @TomSea still miss him.
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Kraut was a college student and was in a swimming accident that put him in a wheelchair the rest of his life.  Greg Abbott, Texas Governor, was a college student out for a run when a tree fell on him that put him in a wheelchair the rest of his life.  Both of them did not let a wheelchair stop them.  Abbott became a lawyer, then Texas Attorney General, now Governor.  Kraut stayed in college, became a doctor, then specialized in psychiatry.
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« Reply #229 on: December 18, 2018, 02:08:00 pm »
@corbe

Kraut was one of a kind - saw his son a few days ago and you would know Kraut is his father; he looks like a young man Kraut.

Kraut was a college student and was in a car accident that put him in a wheelchair the rest of his life.  Greg Abbott, Texas Governor, was a college student out for a run when a tree fell on him that put him in a wheelchair the rest of his life.  Both of them did not let a wheelchair stop them.  Abbott became a lawyer, then Texas Attorney General, now Governor.  Kraut stayed in college, became a doctor, then specialized in psychiatry.

Kraut was a swimming accident.  I saw the Bio FNC did on him.  And his work after that has been phenomenal.
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« Reply #230 on: December 18, 2018, 02:11:25 pm »

I agree with this, @Right_in_Virginia     Well said.   But (and you knew there'd be a but) you aren't addressing the premise of the opening post, which is that the promise of Trump's brilliant fusion of conservatism with Americanism is being squandered by Trump himself,  who continues with his absurd government-by-improvisation. 

The time has come to recognize that Trumpism, as a valid and viable formula for winning elections and moving this nation forward,  is threatened by Trump the man.   I am not alone in predicting that,  ultimately,  Trump will recognize this and decline to run for a second term,  thereby creating the opportunity for the fusion he pioneered to move forward,  and create a permanent alternative to the Democrats' socialism.

Making the field safe for Kasich.
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« Reply #231 on: December 18, 2018, 02:14:00 pm »
Kraut was a swimming accident.  I saw the Bio FNC did on him.  And his work after that has been phenomenal.

Yep.  Diving into a pool.
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« Reply #232 on: December 18, 2018, 02:27:36 pm »
Yup again, it's MY fault for Ending the War by Sitting on the Sidelines with Both Thumbs Up My ###.

Indeed y'all are... Compromise and pragmatism is what you are backing. I am backing the very same things I always have, The self same Principles of Conservatism that have always driven me. not a one of which is present in your movement (I chose that last word just for you, in consideration of your last reply).

If you want me off the 'sidelines', then show me Conservatism (which you can't)... And in the mean time, I will fold up my tent, as I have no dog in this hunt, and serve Conservatism else-wise.


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« Reply #233 on: December 18, 2018, 02:28:40 pm »
Making the field safe for Kasich.

Kasich has no future in the GOP.  He wants to run as an independent, hoping to siphon off votes from centrists in both parties.

Are you suggesting that no one except Trump can carry the mantle of his fusion of conservatism and Americanism?   

My own schoolboy crush of the moment is Nikki Haley - a respected, experienced politician with the capacity to inspire,  who served the Trump administration well.   
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« Reply #234 on: December 18, 2018, 02:33:14 pm »
But we don't "fix the country" by relying on a narcissist who doesn't even know what the country is about because he, according to his own words, "doesn't read."
It is certainly not being saved by a guy who knows nothing about anything and only loves himself.
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Because he doesn't read tells me he has dyslexia and can barely read.  I believe his young son is the same.  He says he gets the news by watching TV programs. I read he keeps the TV on during the day to keep up with news.  That is how he knows which news people think differently than he does, then he starts his twitter attacks on the media in general and individual news people and those making the news.

@musiclady, I know you are a smart person - you undoubtedly read every day - how would you make it in life if you didn't read?  You would, perhaps, do as the president, and keep the TV on so you would hear the news since you "didn't want" to read it.  That gives you the news, but doesn't help you learn how to do tasks.  If your parents left you a lot of money, you could hire people to do the tasks you don't know how to do since you can't read.

Statements like, "I didn't like reading", "I don't like reading", are excuses people use when they can't read.

Two grown men, separately, told me why they didn't read.  The first one couldn't read enough to keep up with his elementary school class, so he was held back in school one year.  He said, "I didn't like reading so I didn't. Now, in my business, I have to read and write."  That man depends on his smart wife to keep his business going. The other man said, "Boys don't like to read, so I didn't."  He couldn't make it in college because he couldn't read well enough to pass, so he joined the military.  Both those men had a learning disability, and made up reasons why they didn't read.

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« Reply #235 on: December 18, 2018, 02:34:39 pm »

Conservatism as a viable political vehicle has stalled and will soon start to rust.  Conservative principles, however, are moving forward on the Trump train.  Learn to love it @roamer_1

No they aren't. You cannot name a single principle thing present in this mess. As I said before, this is nothing other than the same tired hyphenated 'conservatism' as those fetid Bushes y'all supposedly abhor. Redefining truth makes it no longer truth. And liberal Republicans are no better at that redefinition than the moderates were - They just spend way more.


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« Reply #236 on: December 18, 2018, 02:36:55 pm »
OK, I'll bite...which conservative principles are moving forward on the Trump Train? I think you've confused "conservative" with "populist" and/or "nationalist".

Oh, I can't wait to hear this...

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« Reply #237 on: December 18, 2018, 02:43:41 pm »
Kasich has no future in the GOP.  He wants to run as an independent, hoping to siphon off votes from centrists in both parties.

Are you suggesting that no one except Trump can carry the mantle of his fusion of conservatism and Americanism?   

My own schoolboy crush of the moment is Nikki Haley - a respected, experienced politician with the capacity to inspire,  who served the Trump administration well.

@Jazzhead, what is it about Nikki Haley's beliefs that you particularly like?

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« Reply #238 on: December 18, 2018, 02:45:16 pm »
Oh, I can't wait to hear this...

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Yeah, I'm sort of interested in that answer myself.   :2popcorn:

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« Reply #239 on: December 18, 2018, 02:50:21 pm »
Maybe I'm remembering wrong, didn't the majority of the voters vote for HRC?
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« Reply #240 on: December 18, 2018, 03:00:30 pm »
Making the field safe for Kasich.
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Kasich is a good man.  He is a Christian and he can read.  He would want to do what is best for the country rather than what is best for him.  He is thoughtful before he acts.  He gave us the last two balanced budgets - we have none after he left congress.  I remember being sad he was leaving; we were losing our budget man.

Nikki Haley is a good woman.  She is the best choice if a woman runs. 

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« Reply #241 on: December 18, 2018, 03:07:09 pm »
Kraut was a swimming accident.  I saw the Bio FNC did on him.  And his work after that has been phenomenal.
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Thanks for correcting me.  I changed it on my post.  I saw, probably on Fox, Kraut speaking about his life; think that was him speaking about his book at that time.

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« Reply #242 on: December 18, 2018, 03:37:20 pm »
@Jazzhead, what is it about Nikki Haley's beliefs that you particularly like?

I admire her acumen and skill as a forceful advocate for American interests in the U.N.   I think she can expand the coalition that Trump assembled,  by combining Trump's Americanism with class rather than crass.   
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« Reply #243 on: December 18, 2018, 03:44:03 pm »
It's not condescension @Axeslinger   I'm trying to tell you conservative principles are alive and well .... they're over here and in the Oval Office.  The strongest believers in America's best principles First are the millions who pulled the lever for Donald Trump in spite of the ridicule and sanctimonious judgment they had to slog through to reach the polls.

I think it's more condescending to embrace conservative values only if they're wrapped in puritanical self-righteousness.

Not Conservatism.  Trump fills his positions with liberals.  He is Reform Party.  He just ran on Republican ticket because he knew he couldn't win on third party.  And he can still get the support but if he doesn't stop the flow of illegal aliens he will loose in 2020.  He also needs to defund planned parenthood, and get a handle on expanding debt.  He is right that the wall would pay for itself.  5 Billion is nothing compared to how much we spend on illegal immigrants in this country.
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« Reply #244 on: December 18, 2018, 03:46:15 pm »
I admire her acumen and skill as a forceful advocate for American interests in the U.N.   I think she can expand the coalition that Trump assembled,  by combining Trump's Americanism with class rather than crass.   

She lost me with her Kushner comments.  I don't care how brilliant you think a person is.  He is liberal, and he is family.  I absolutely do not agree with the family situation Trump has created.
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« Reply #245 on: December 18, 2018, 03:54:15 pm »
But what is character? Lot's of talk but no action? All hat no cattle? I see all sorts in DC boasting about their character and moral superiority, always posturing as above reproach, but either doing nothing to stop what's going on, or aiding it with their bizarro upside down world view.

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« Reply #246 on: December 18, 2018, 03:54:38 pm »
Maybe I'm remembering wrong, didn't the majority of the voters vote for HRC?

HRC won the popular vote and that is why the DEMS want to revamp the electoral college.
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« Reply #247 on: December 18, 2018, 03:54:39 pm »
Calm yourself down @Axeslinger and reread my post.  The only charade that has been exposed is the political label "conservative".  It is meaningless in today's political world.  It has come to be known as the politics of a group of aging didactic, religious zealots who have no plan for America's future.  And if they could talk a plan into existence, they'd not have the energy or strategic wherewithal to implement it.  So stop whining about someone not being "conservative" enough.  It is meaningless.  And stop whining about not having enough "conservatives" in office.  No one wants them and what they've become.

If you'd move your gaze from your rearview mirror you might be able to see that the awful, dirty "populism" has absorbed the best of conservatism.  The principles Americans voted for were smaller government, beating back deep-state corruption, fair trade, the right to American sovereignty, including the rule of law in immigration; a strong military, constitutionalist judges, the 2nd Amendment, the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

It's not called "conservatism".  It's called Americanism.  America's best principles first.

So move the hell out of the 80's and get on the damn train --- before it backs up and runs over you again.


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Put this to rest. Donald Trump has not failed his voters, nor will he fail if he continues as he has last three years.

What Trump promised his voters is that if they would elect him, he would work hard to achieve the conservative things he promised in the campaign. And by every objective standard he has worked tirelessly since then on those promises and has accomplished much despite tremendous opposition. I’ve never seen a man of his age work as hard. Compare that to Obama. That slacker never earned one day of his presidential (or senatorial) salary.

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« Reply #248 on: December 18, 2018, 03:57:04 pm »
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« Reply #249 on: December 18, 2018, 03:59:11 pm »
@Free Vulcan character is what you do when no one is looking.

Character is either having integrity or lacking integrity.

We had a wonderful neighbor that used to live across from us; an agreement to him was looking someone in the eye and a simple handshake between two people and you didn't dare go back that handshake.  You would like in shame and people would know that you couldn't be trusted.

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