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Re: The Biggest Losers of Trump’s Presidency: His Voters
« Reply #325 on: December 18, 2018, 09:30:19 pm »
The swamp would have hated him if I went to them holding flowers and chocolates. Bush was  globalist liberal. Our manufacturing base went away under his 8 years

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Our manufacturing base went away long before Bush came in.

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Re: The Biggest Losers of Trump’s Presidency: His Voters
« Reply #326 on: December 18, 2018, 09:30:43 pm »
The National Socialist and Communist hated each other in WWII to the point of killing each other en masse. That doesn't mean either was a worthy of support or our friend. I have no dog in this fight. You guys chose a corrupt New York liberal that has switched parities and held more opposing positions than anyone I know of period. His friends consisted of the most corrupt people in this country. The Clintons ring any bells? You fed the media beast with a corrupt politician that thought he could keep his decades of dirty laundry hidden.

This is your reward. Don't try to pass blame to others.

As far as falling for crap, did you vote for Pelosi? I certainly didn't. Who fell for what here?

And it was the same crap they pushed against Reagan, and against every GOP nominee, even their precious Rogue McCain.

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Re: The Biggest Losers of Trump’s Presidency: His Voters
« Reply #327 on: December 18, 2018, 09:33:30 pm »
Our manufacturing base went away long before Bush came in.

Right.  James Naisbitt (I believe that was his name) wrote about it in the '60s or '70s.

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Re: The Biggest Losers of Trump’s Presidency: His Voters
« Reply #328 on: December 18, 2018, 09:33:42 pm »
   If, as claimed, @mirraflake you sent that nasty PM to @musiclady she beat you like a red headed stepchild. 
   I'll admit that there are a few here that beat the crap out of me, on occasion, but I'd never acknowledge defeat that way.

@musiclady trashes me on various threads and I have never said anything or even made a post to her to start it.. As I mentioned she can dish it out but can't take any criticism. 
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Re: The Biggest Losers of Trump’s Presidency: His Voters
« Reply #329 on: December 18, 2018, 09:34:39 pm »
Our manufacturing base went away long before Bush came in.

Yes it did bit it made  a giant sucking sound under Bush

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Re: The Biggest Losers of Trump’s Presidency: His Voters
« Reply #330 on: December 18, 2018, 09:36:57 pm »
Yes it did bit it made  a giant sucking sound under Bush

Even well before then.  Being the most highly regulated and litigious country in the world tends to do that.
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Re: The Biggest Losers of Trump’s Presidency: His Voters
« Reply #331 on: December 18, 2018, 09:38:43 pm »
3 more advertisers withdraw from Tucker Carlson,  the Democrats fight so dirty. Trump is having everything in his life investigated, that's all the Democrats are doing and they are finding little. 

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« Reply #332 on: December 18, 2018, 09:39:58 pm »
@musiclady trashes me on various threads and I have never said anything or even made a post to her to start it.. As I mentioned she can dish it out but can't take any criticism. 
That is all I'm going to say.
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« Reply #333 on: December 18, 2018, 09:42:47 pm »
And it was the same crap they pushed against Reagan, and against every GOP nominee, even their precious Rogue McCain.

Hope the Kool-aid tastes sweetly.

Yes it was the same crap but different person as the target. A very different person. I voted for Reagan. Trump is the opposite of Reagan. Trump is loaded with baggage from porn stars to supporting totally corrupt politicians like Hillary. The previous time Trump ran for office he wanted an assault weapons ban, Canadian style healthcare and supported partial birth abortions. He's a thin skinned narcissist that lowers the office he holds to insult anyone who dare disagree with him. Reagan built coalitions and got the voters behind him to do things he wanted to do. Trump doesn't know how to do that at all as well evidenced by now. The people who voted for Trump knew he had all that baggage arming the media and they did it anyway. So don't exact surprised when you hand the media a grenade and they set it off as expected.

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Re: The Biggest Losers of Trump’s Presidency: His Voters
« Reply #334 on: December 18, 2018, 09:43:05 pm »
I would personally define conservatism as nothing more than advocacy for Constitutionally limited government. 

I agree with that definition.  However, that makes our numbers very, very small, even here at TBR.


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Anyway, if President Trump takes pretty drastic actions aimed at restoring the Constitutional governance of our Republic, he will get tarred as a Hitler, as a Nazi, as a fascist.  But it is arguably his duty as POTUS to act as aggressively as necessary against the Radical Socialists to pull us well away from the disastrous national precipice to which we are unknowably close. 

I'm still not convinced that he is very familiar with the Constitution, much less a supporter of it. 

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As you seem to insinuate in your post, @Sanguine, a frightfully large percentage of U.S. citizens, although pretty disgruntled about politics, are Boiling Frogs.  Very few people seem to have any idea bad, how dangerous the Deep State has gradually become over the past 70 years (some would say longer than that).  After FDR died, Truman was reportedly worried about the OSS/CIA.  Eisenhower warned us about the military-industrial-Congressional complex.  (Yes, he included Congress in his warning.)  JFK was so appalled by the CIA that he declared that he would tear the CIA into a thousand pieces.  (Look what he very soon got for saying that in public.) 

Exactly.

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At the very top of this mess of the Deep State, we have also developed a frightful web of Crony Capitalists and ideologically insane academics and the most corrupt news service since Stalin's Pravda. (Think "Operation Mockingbird"--a nasty CIA project that evidently still exists and has gotten much, much nastier than when it was first exposed by Congress.)

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 America needs to be startled.  America needs to become wide awake for the first time in modern history.  We are at war on American soil, not just in the heavens.  If you don't think so, wait until Obama and his ilk try to mobilize their purported 400,000 foot soldiers. 

There is no easy way out of our current mess.  Trump, at least, knows that.  Most Americans probably don't know it--yet.  In today's vernacular, they need to be "red-pilled."  It's a tough pill to swallow, but a necessary one for saving America over the near term.  Maybe we can buy time for the real spiritual revival that we need--not the "Church Lady" crap.  Maybe then we can get a more conspicuously honorable man as POTUS--like Ted Cruz, perhaps.

I agree with most of that.

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(Heck, I'm glad our Creator God overruled my nominational preference and gave us Trump instead of Cruz at this awful time.  Let's wait and see what our current Scoundrel-in-Chief pulls off.  In the meantime, let's pray for him.)

I'm still not sure of that.  We'll see.

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« Reply #335 on: December 18, 2018, 09:45:20 pm »
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Re: The Biggest Losers of Trump’s Presidency: His Voters
« Reply #336 on: December 18, 2018, 09:45:23 pm »
Wow.... 

Read the Headlines on Drudge.  $5B to Mexico.  Border Wall off the Table.

Wonder how the Trump apologist here are going to spin this one.    :silly:
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Re: The Biggest Losers of Trump’s Presidency: His Voters
« Reply #337 on: December 18, 2018, 09:46:16 pm »
@mirraflake @musiclady Please put each other on ignore and if you have a problem with another member, then report it.  Stop hijacking the thread.

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« Reply #338 on: December 18, 2018, 09:47:40 pm »
@mirraflake @musiclady Please put each other on ignore and if you have a problem with another member, then report it.  Stop hijacking the thread.

Thank you.

I already have stopped.  I won't say any more here, or anywhere.

This has been a good thread.

(Removed my last post.  My apologies.)
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Re: The Biggest Losers of Trump’s Presidency: His Voters
« Reply #339 on: December 18, 2018, 09:53:19 pm »
and your bragging about how you regularly degraded women with your buddies.



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This is my last post I have to defend myself.

Never degraded any woman in my life.  Yes my buddies and I  talked about women, good and bad in private amongst ourselves but never to them. Just as 99% of women talk about men in private amongst themselves with  good or bad comments

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Re: The Biggest Losers of Trump’s Presidency: His Voters
« Reply #340 on: December 18, 2018, 09:55:11 pm »

If you knew a single thing about me, then you knew I knew.

But we don't "fix the country" by relying on a narcissist who doesn't even know what the country is about because he, according to his own words, "doesn't read."

I agree that time is running out........ or perhaps am more pessimistic in believing it has already run out.  But we took the test in 2016 and failed because we turned to a liberal populist to solve the problems we only had because we abandoned Conservatism.

I believe the only way this country can be saved is through another Great Awakening and a recognition that the nation's survival is dependent on a return to First Principles.

It is certainly not being saved by a guy who knows nothing about anything and only loves himself.
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Instead Trump preens w/conceit and hubris, surrounding himself
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Consequently, his unforced errors are repeated endlessly; no surprise.
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« Reply #341 on: December 18, 2018, 09:56:06 pm »
1. I am in healthcare  and the pre ex clause was and is needed.   People with no prior insurance under open enrollment who have a sickness or accident are not covered. They have to wait until the next open enrollment period. Before the pre ex I have known people  who have played by the rules worked their asses off all their life only to be laid off at age 58 and no carrier would pick up their spouses cancer and they lost all their life savings  This hould not be happeniing in a first world country.

3. Trumps tarrifs worked with Mexico and Canada and Europe and is starting to work with China. You have to play tough with these characters.

4. Trump said they would go through the giant door legally after being vetted.

6. You have proof of this?

I could go on an don but donlt have all day to chnage opinions o fpeople who will never listen to factsl

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Sure it was. So why not include houses in that. Your house burns down and you should be able to buy insurance after the fact. The federal government has no business dictating our health insurance period. It is not a constitutional duty of the federal government.

Funny how things are rapidly declining now that those tariffs are taking their toll. Our business exports electronic equipment that we manufacture here in the US. The tariffs has raised our costs substantially while not being able to raise prices because there are competitors that are not affected by the tariffs overseas.

Vetted? WTF. They were here ILLEGALLY. Vetting is not the issue. Being here illegally is the issue. We have an immigration process which vetting is only a part of. But they get special treatment because they got away with it for years.

Regarding proof, Epstein and Trump were friends and even talked about his friend's like for "very young women". Ignorance on your part is no excuse. Both Trump and Bill Clinton jetted off with Epstein in his private jet to his island. Those are facts.

The "facts" are not on your side. You just blindly ignore them because they are in the way.

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Re: The Biggest Losers of Trump’s Presidency: His Voters
« Reply #342 on: December 18, 2018, 09:56:11 pm »
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« Reply #343 on: December 18, 2018, 10:02:04 pm »
It's not condescension @Axeslinger   I'm trying to tell you conservative principles are alive and well .... they're over here and in the Oval Office.  The strongest believers in America's best principles First are the millions who pulled the lever for Donald Trump in spite of the ridicule and sanctimonious judgment they had to slog through to reach the polls.

I think it's more condescending to embrace conservative values only if they're wrapped in puritanical self-righteousness.

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Re: The Biggest Losers of Trump’s Presidency: His Voters
« Reply #344 on: December 18, 2018, 10:03:36 pm »
Yes it was the same crap but different person as the target. A very different person. I voted for Reagan. Trump is the opposite of Reagan. Trump is loaded with baggage from porn stars to supporting totally corrupt politicians like Hillary. The previous time Trump ran for office he wanted an assault weapons ban, Canadian style healthcare and supported partial birth abortions. He's a thin skinned narcissist that lowers the office he holds to insult anyone who dare disagree with him. Reagan built coalitions and got the voters behind him to do things he wanted to do. Trump doesn't know how to do that at all as well evidenced by now. The people who voted for Trump knew he had all that baggage arming the media and they did it anyway. So don't exact surprised when you hand the media a grenade and they set it off as expected.

Good Lord, keep gnashing and wailing. They said the same things about Bush and Reagan.

Do you realize that if Trump is booted out, the same thing will happen with Pence? Or anyone? Even John Kasich?

Do you get it?
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« Reply #345 on: December 18, 2018, 10:05:41 pm »
Calm yourself down @Axeslinger and reread my post.  The only charade that has been exposed is the political label "conservative".  It is meaningless in today's political world.  It has come to be known as the politics of a group of aging didactic, religious zealots who have no plan for America's future.  And if they could talk a plan into existence, they'd not have the energy or strategic wherewithal to implement it.  So stop whining about someone not being "conservative" enough.  It is meaningless.  And stop whining about not having enough "conservatives" in office.  No one wants them and what they've become.

If you'd move your gaze from your rearview mirror you might be able to see that the awful, dirty "populism" has absorbed the best of conservatism.  The principles Americans voted for were smaller government, beating back deep-state corruption, fair trade, the right to American sovereignty, including the rule of law in immigration; a strong military, constitutionalist judges, the 2nd Amendment, the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

It's not called "conservatism".  It's called Americanism.  America's best principles first.

So move the hell out of the 80's and get on the damn train --- before it backs up and runs over you again.


@roamer_1  too.

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Re: The Biggest Losers of Trump’s Presidency: His Voters
« Reply #346 on: December 18, 2018, 10:07:03 pm »
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Thoughtful.
Reading induces reflection which can either alter or reinforce behavior.
Yet to change, one must have the humility to recognize one's mistakes.
Anne MacLeod, his Scottish mother, labeled him incorrigible; incapable
of changing behavior, some 60 years ago and nothing is different since.
Instead Trump preens w/conceit and hubris, surrounding himself
w/fawners and lackeys who kow-tow as he struts by, applauding himself.
Consequently, his unforced errors are repeated endlessly; no surprise.
Great Nation/States, such as Rome, endured for 12 centuries, the
British Empire for 400 years; while we are a tad past 2 centuries.
Much more ominously, our Founders, among them; Adams,
Jefferson, Madison, Rutledge, Hancock and the rest, are gone!
In our material world nothing endures for eternity. NOTHING!!!
The best any culture/society can expect or hope for is longevity;
if it behaves w/ the attitudes, behaviors and values that gave it existence.

Lightweights believe repeating their mantra,"We are the greatest";
is all that is necessary to sustain us.
History will have the last word and will be neither so kind nor so naive'.

I believe this is the key point.  Our nation lasts only as long as our values last, and it is clear that we have thrown a significant set of values away.

The election of 2016 wasn't the disease, so to speak, but a symptom of an underlying disease that has been eating away at us for decades......even a a century.

I'm just not optimistic enough to believe that we can ever regain what we have thrown away..... at least not without a fundamental sea change, and I believe that it is spiritual in nature.
Character still matters.  It always matters.

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Re: The Biggest Losers of Trump’s Presidency: His Voters
« Reply #347 on: December 18, 2018, 10:08:47 pm »
Good Lord, keep gnashing and wailing. They said the same things about Bush and Reagan.

Do you realize that if Trump is booted out, the same thing will happen with Pence? Or anyone? Even John Kasich?

Do you get it?

I don't want Trump booted out. But the likelihood of that due to all his baggage was well known before people voted for him. The magical wishing it wouldn't be a major factor was wrong. The media was going to do what the media always does. The people who voted for him armed their enemies with a bomb waiting to go off and now act like that wasn't expected. Well duh...
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« Reply #348 on: December 18, 2018, 10:09:31 pm »
Maybe I'm remembering wrong, didn't the majority of the voters vote for HRC?

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Only if you count the dead,felons,imaginary people,and illegal aliens.

And she would have won and been sitting in WH right now if any of the usual alleged Republicans that you support had won the primary.

Losing and being self-righteous gives you the warm and fuzzies,doesn't it?
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« Reply #349 on: December 18, 2018, 10:12:43 pm »
    Sure glad Trump decided to use a Train instead of a Plane.



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