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Re: The Biggest Losers of Trump’s Presidency: His Voters
« Reply #300 on: December 18, 2018, 08:01:36 pm »

If you knew a single thing about me, then you knew I knew.

But we don't "fix the country" by relying on a narcissist who doesn't even know what the country is about because he, according to his own words, "doesn't read."

I agree that time is running out........ or perhaps am more pessimistic in believing it has already run out.  But we took the test in 2016 and failed because we turned to a liberal populist to solve the problems we only had because we abandoned Conservatism.

I believe the only way this country can be saved is through another Great Awakening and a recognition that the nation's survival is dependent on a return to First Principles.

It is certainly not being saved by a guy who knows nothing about anything and only loves himself.

Do you seriously believe the crap you write? What liberal populist argues for a border wall? Bolsters immigration enforcement. tax reform, reduces regulations, stands up to Democrats?

You're just sitting here pushing a narrative in light of all facts.
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« Reply #301 on: December 18, 2018, 08:04:54 pm »
@Free Vulcan character is what you do when no one is looking.

Which as President is a little hard to do. But then again I didn't vote for the Pastor in Chief of the USA. I get it that Trump is not stained glass perfect.
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Re: The Biggest Losers of Trump’s Presidency: His Voters
« Reply #302 on: December 18, 2018, 08:24:32 pm »

If you knew a single thing about me, then you knew I knew.

But we don't "fix the country" by relying on a narcissist who doesn't even know what the country is about because he, according to his own words, "doesn't read."

I agree that time is running out........ or perhaps am more pessimistic in believing it has already run out.  But we took the test in 2016 and failed because we turned to a liberal populist to solve the problems we only had because we abandoned Conservatism.

I believe the only way this country can be saved is through another Great Awakening and a recognition that the nation's survival is dependent on a return to First Principles.

It is certainly not being saved by a guy who knows nothing about anything and only loves himself.

Trump has put in more conservative judges, anti abortion measures, small gov't regulations  on and on than any other Republican in decades. 

People like you is why he has no backing in DC

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Re: The Biggest Losers of Trump’s Presidency: His Voters
« Reply #303 on: December 18, 2018, 08:27:36 pm »
Trump has put in more conservative judges, anti abortion measures, small gov't regulations  on and on than any other Republican in decades. 

People like you is why he has no backing in DC

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Well, I knew you hated me when you sent me that filthy PM, @mirraflake, but blaming Trump's problems in DC on me is a bit much even for you, isn't it?  :silly:

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Re: The Biggest Losers of Trump’s Presidency: His Voters
« Reply #304 on: December 18, 2018, 08:28:18 pm »
Do you seriously believe the crap you write? What liberal populist argues for a border wall? Bolsters immigration enforcement. tax reform, reduces regulations, stands up to Democrats?

You're just sitting here pushing a narrative in light of all facts.

Look up the word populist.

What conservative pushes for government run healthcare mandating that preexisting conditions has to be covered by "insurance". It belies the very meaning of the word insurance.
What conservative wants a return of the fairness doctrine so the government and courts can dictate what is "fair" in our media.
What conservative pushes broad tariffs starting a trade war which is now taking a bite out of our economy?
What conservative wanted "a big door in the wall" so people that were here illegally could quickly return?
What conservative has been friends for many years with the Clintons and donated hundreds of thousands of dollars to Hillary's senate campaign?
What conservative has been to Esptein's island to "party" with young girls?
What conservative endorsed and donated to a self proclaimed socialist for mayor of New York city?
What conservative wanted an assault weapons ban (and is about to ban bump stocks), Canadian style healthcare and fully supported even partial birth abortion the previous time he ran for president?

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Re: The Biggest Losers of Trump’s Presidency: His Voters
« Reply #305 on: December 18, 2018, 08:30:24 pm »
Do you seriously believe the crap you write? What liberal populist argues for a border wall? Bolsters immigration enforcement. tax reform, reduces regulations, stands up to Democrats?

You're just sitting here pushing a narrative in light of all facts.

Hmmmm................ and the same could be said of you, methinks.

A populist argues for whatever he thinks people want to hear.  The fact that he's a liberal makes no difference.  And he stands up to Democrats because he tweets angrily about anyone who says nasty things about him.  It's not political.  It's personal.

Character still matters.  It always matters.

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Re: The Biggest Losers of Trump’s Presidency: His Voters
« Reply #306 on: December 18, 2018, 08:34:33 pm »
Trump has put in more conservative judges

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So did Bush, or so we were told.

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anti abortion measures, small gov't regulations  on and on

All by way of his magic pen - gone ike a fart in a windstorm the minute his foot crosses the threshold.
So whee.

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People like you is why he has no backing in DC

No, he has no backing in DC because he pissed absolutely everyone off, and that, on purpose. He made his own bed.

@musiclady is exactly right.

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Re: The Biggest Losers of Trump’s Presidency: His Voters
« Reply #307 on: December 18, 2018, 08:40:57 pm »
Well, I knew you hated me when you sent me that filthy PM, @mirraflake, but blaming Trump's problems in DC on me is a bit much even for you, isn't it?  :silly:

Not just you, but people like you. So Yes I am blaming it on you an others like you.

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Re: The Biggest Losers of Trump’s Presidency: His Voters
« Reply #308 on: December 18, 2018, 08:42:35 pm »
Do you seriously believe the crap you write? What liberal populist argues for a border wall? Bolsters immigration enforcement. tax reform, reduces regulations, stands up to Democrats?

You're just sitting here pushing a narrative in light of all facts.

It's easier to understand when one sees that they are Bushies, or Cruz-ies. This is pretty obvious really. That's why my standard answer has been I've voted for the nominee, period. I voted for Bush, if they want to hold their allegiances back, fine. I didn't. Any plus of the Trump administration they did not help and it strikes me as pretty bitter stuff to read some of what they write. It's not worth taking serious. It's sort of all tribal.  Campaigns are a blood sport, I'm sorry if they get bent out of shape over what was said.

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Re: The Biggest Losers of Trump’s Presidency: His Voters
« Reply #309 on: December 18, 2018, 08:43:37 pm »
@mirraflake
So did Bush, or so we were told.

All by way of his magic pen - gone ike a fart in a windstorm the minute his foot crosses the threshold.
So whee.

No, he has no backing in DC because he pissed absolutely everyone off, and that, on purpose. He made his own bed.

@musiclady is exactly right.

The swamp would have hated him if I went to them holding flowers and chocolates. Bush was  globalist liberal. Our manufacturing base went away under his 8 years

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Re: The Biggest Losers of Trump’s Presidency: His Voters
« Reply #310 on: December 18, 2018, 08:44:57 pm »
The swamp would have hated him if I went to them holding flowers and chocolates. Bush was  globalist liberal. Our manufacturing base went away under his 8 years


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So is tump.
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Re: The Biggest Losers of Trump’s Presidency: His Voters
« Reply #311 on: December 18, 2018, 09:04:29 pm »
The swamp would have hated him if I went to them holding flowers and chocolates. Bush was  globalist liberal. Our manufacturing base went away under his 8 years

@roamer_1

What do you think is happening to the manufacturing base here that uses steel? With the tariffs they can't compete for outside the US business because their costs are higher than their competitors. Putting tariffs on electronic components just makes assembling things here more expensive so they'll move offshore. The stupid hurts.

All Trump has done is pick winners and losers in a zero sum game of government intervention.

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Re: The Biggest Losers of Trump’s Presidency: His Voters
« Reply #312 on: December 18, 2018, 09:08:15 pm »
Not just you, but people like you. So Yes I am blaming it on you an others like you.

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Oh, I get it now........... people "like me" who stick to beliefs no matter which way the political wind is blowing.  People "like me" who have moral convictions and Biblical beliefs that I haven't thrown away because the culture is going down the sewer.  People "like me" who still believe in the Constitution, though the left and everyone who has grown up under the influence of leftist education have thrown it away.

People "like me" are the reason that Trump has made enemies of practically everyone he knows other than his fan club.

Yeah......... that's the ticket.

People "like me" are why he's a miserable failure.  LOL!

I can take your hatred, @mirraflake, because it's based on throwing away everything this country stands for and every value it once had.

So spit fire as much as you want at me.  I'm standing on the Rock, and I won't be moved by your mockery.
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Re: The Biggest Losers of Trump’s Presidency: His Voters
« Reply #313 on: December 18, 2018, 09:09:47 pm »
...even strict, raw conservatism won't work now, because at least half of the population doesn't understand the situation that we are in and will blame conservatism.   We will have to experience the consequences of actions before those people even begin to understand what has been wrought.

I would personally define conservatism as nothing more than advocacy for Constitutionally limited government.  (This limited approach to governance, had it been followed for the past century or so, would have prevented a lot of the problems that "economic conservatives" and even "social conservatives" have complained about for years, now getting louder and louder, it seems.) 

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One of the peculiar features of the limited government reality of conservatism is the fact that it does not rule out occasionally heavy-handed actions by the government.  For example, martial law, under circumstances of national emergency, is Constitutional (see Article I).   And since American conservatism is rooted in the Constitution itself, we must not be intimidated by the idiotic claims by the Socialists that all serious conservatives are Nazis.  (The Socialists are the ones who have yearned for Marxist death camps to pursue their awful objectives against America.  A PhD college professor recently told me that he and his ilk were going to take away my guns and execute me.)   

Anyway, if President Trump takes pretty drastic actions aimed at restoring the Constitutional governance of our Republic, he will get tarred as a Hitler, as a Nazi, as a fascist.  But it is arguably his duty as POTUS to act as aggressively as necessary against the Radical Socialists to pull us well away from the disastrous national precipice to which we are unknowably close. 

As you seem to insinuate in your post, @Sanguine, a frightfully large percentage of U.S. citizens, although pretty disgruntled about politics, are Boiling Frogs.  Very few people seem to have any idea bad, how dangerous the Deep State has gradually become over the past 70 years (some would say longer than that).  After FDR died, Truman was reportedly worried about the OSS/CIA.  Eisenhower warned us about the military-industrial-Congressional complex.  (Yes, he included Congress in his warning.)  JFK was so appalled by the CIA that he declared that he would tear the CIA into a thousand pieces.  (Look what he very soon got for saying that in public.) 

LBJ was well-known as a politically brutal crook (facing the prospect of two felony indictments until JFK was murdered).  Nixon was no choir boy, but many thoughtful conservatives found it especially worrisome when Nixon admitted that he had become a Fabian in his economics.  Gerald Ford was at best a Rockefeller guy.  Carter strengthened the Deep State's stranglehold on the Executive Branch's Bureaucracy through the "Senior Executive Service."  Reagan did a lot of good things, but he could not roll the whole mess back as far as conservatives would have wished.

GHWB did some evidently positive things but kept promoting the NWO. (That was double-plus-un-good!  As far as I am concerned, it completely cancels out his famously genteel nature.)  GHWB was also responsible for the FBI's cold-blooded murderer(s) escaping prosecution for the debacle at Ruby Ridge.  The Clintons were subtle, but they ramped-up jack-booted thuggery and likely even body laundering at Waco.  (When the NRA complained about the feds' utterly atrocious actions under Bill Clinton at Waco, GHWB delivered a scathing denunciation of the NRA and canceled his lifetime NRA membership.  [How's that for a lovely Republican ex-POTUS?])  Bill Clinton actually laughed about Waco and went on to establish a sickening cult of Clinton worshipers and likely enlarged (with HRC's help) the extortion ring that dated at least as far back as the 1980s.  (As a seemingly minor travesty, Clinton also falsely claimed all the credit for a good economy in the '90s--thereby hopelessly confusing our hoi polloi concerning good economics.) 

Gore tried to steal the 2000 election by clearly premeditated voting fraud in Florida (at least!)--and almost succeeded through a Chicago-style scam.  Instead of Gore, we got GWB as POTUS, who was generally a pretty good guy, in my opinion, but too closely tied to his father's ideals and network (and also too "soft" to deal with domestic political crooks).  The Dems then ran a veritable Viet Nam era phony and traitor in the person of John Kerry, but Bush squeaked by him in 2004--only to wind up inadvertently setting the stage for Obama to emerge as the Radical Marxist Deep State's penultimate destroyer of the Republic.  Obama's "changes' made almost everything in America much, much worse.  (Alas, the GOP ran McCain and Romney [good grief] unsuccessfully against Obama--apparently because it was "their turn" within the GOPe.)

Even in 2016, the GOPe was hoping to avoid a Trump Presidency (it was supposed to be Jeb Bush's turn, I'm told), and HRC was hoping for her final turn to run for POTUS--but against Trump in particular.  After all, Trump was widely regarded as an untrustworthy jerk and (largely for that reason) the fellow who polled most poorly against HRC.  But the American people nominated Trump evidently because they preferred a confrontational, crude, morally challenged jerk over all of the GOP's electoral failures of the past (and also preferred Trump over a record of recent Republican Presidents who, at best, had not stopped the slow-but-sure juggernaut of America's destruction, the juggernaut now labeled the Deep State).

At the very top of this mess of the Deep State, we have also developed a frightful web of Crony Capitalists and ideologically insane academics and the most corrupt news service since Stalin's Pravda. (Think "Operation Mockingbird"--a nasty CIA project that evidently still exists and has gotten much, much nastier than when it was first exposed by Congress.)

If Trump survives, he definitely will engage in a head-on and politically very disconcerting counter-offensive against the Deep State (a fully Constitutional strategy involving the domestic use of the US military in some respects ["Oh no!  He's a Hitler!]).  Disgraceful though Trump was before occupying the White House--and to some extent still is--he might be the man of the hour for America.  I think Trump will scare the daylights out of a lot of previously only naïve Americans. 

Strangely enough, I think that's ultimately a good thing.  America needs to be startled.  America needs to become wide awake for the first time in modern history.  We are at war on American soil, not just in the heavens.  If you don't think so, wait until Obama and his ilk try to mobilize their purported 400,000 foot soldiers. 

There is no easy way out of our current mess.  Trump, at least, knows that.  Most Americans probably don't know it--yet.  In today's vernacular, they need to be "red-pilled."  It's a tough pill to swallow, but a necessary one for saving America over the near term.  Maybe we can buy time for the real spiritual revival that we need--not the "Church Lady" crap.  Maybe then we can get a more conspicuously honorable man as POTUS--like Ted Cruz, perhaps.

(Heck, I'm glad our Creator God overruled my nominational preference and gave us Trump instead of Cruz at this awful time.  Let's wait and see what our current Scoundrel-in-Chief pulls off.  In the meantime, let's pray for him.) 

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Re: The Biggest Losers of Trump’s Presidency: His Voters
« Reply #314 on: December 18, 2018, 09:10:34 pm »
Who is it, by the way, that filled the Republican party with RINOs and gave a choke-hold grip to the moderates, because Republican butts are more important than the principles that are supposed to govern the party? You know, the RINOs and moderates that blocked everything Tumpy the Clown tried to do?

Pragmatism, know thyself.

Because it sure as hell wasn't the Conservatives.
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« Reply #315 on: December 18, 2018, 09:10:35 pm »
Look up the word populist.

What conservative pushes for government run healthcare mandating that preexisting conditions has to be covered by "insurance". It belies the very meaning of the word insurance.
What conservative wants a return of the fairness doctrine so the government and courts can dictate what is "fair" in our media.
What conservative pushes broad tariffs starting a trade war which is now taking a bite out of our economy?
What conservative wanted "a big door in the wall" so people that were here illegally could quickly return?
What conservative has been friends for many years with the Clintons and donated hundreds of thousands of dollars to Hillary's senate campaign?
What conservative has been to Esptein's island to "party" with young girls?
What conservative endorsed and donated to a self proclaimed socialist for mayor of New York city?
What conservative wanted an assault weapons ban (and is about to ban bump stocks), Canadian style healthcare and fully supported even partial birth abortion the previous time he ran for president?

Oh, those pesky facts @DB.  Don't you know you have to throw away facts and embrace feelings now?  happy77
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Re: The Biggest Losers of Trump’s Presidency: His Voters
« Reply #316 on: December 18, 2018, 09:13:05 pm »
The swamp would have hated him if I went to them holding flowers and chocolates. Bush was  globalist liberal. Our manufacturing base went away under his 8 years

@roamer_1

Speaking of which, does everyone remember what happend during the Bush admin? Scooter Libby? ChimpyBushHitler? Merry Fitzmas? Same Nancy Pelosi accusing the admin of having a culture of corruption?

So sad to see conservatives fall for the same old crap.
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« Reply #317 on: December 18, 2018, 09:13:31 pm »
It's easier to understand when one sees that they are Bushies, or Cruz-ies. This is pretty obvious really. That's why my standard answer has been I've voted for the nominee, period. I voted for Bush, if they want to hold their allegiances back, fine. I didn't. Any plus of the Trump administration they did not help and it strikes me as pretty bitter stuff to read some of what they write. It's not worth taking serious. It's sort of all tribal.  Campaigns are a blood sport, I'm sorry if they get bent out of shape over what was said.

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The very definition of tribal is voting for whomever is the nominee. Go look in the mirror.

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« Reply #318 on: December 18, 2018, 09:20:59 pm »


So spit fire as much as you want at me.  I'm standing on the Rock, and I won't be moved by your mockery.

 Lol You sure did whaaaaaaaa to the mod last week.

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« Reply #319 on: December 18, 2018, 09:25:26 pm »
Speaking of which, does everyone remember what happend during the Bush admin? Scooter Libby? ChimpyBushHitler? Merry Fitzmas? Same Nancy Pelosi accusing the admin of having a culture of corruption?

So sad to see conservatives fall for the same old crap.

The National Socialist and Communist hated each other in WWII to the point of killing each other en masse. That doesn't mean either was a worthy of support or our friend. I have no dog in this fight. You guys chose a corrupt New York liberal that has switched parities and held more opposing positions than anyone I know of period. His friends consisted of the most corrupt people in this country. The Clintons ring any bells? You fed the media beast with a corrupt politician that thought he could keep his decades of dirty laundry hidden.

This is your reward. Don't try to pass blame to others.

As far as falling for crap, did you vote for Pelosi? I certainly didn't. Who fell for what here?

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« Reply #320 on: December 18, 2018, 09:25:57 pm »
   If, as claimed, @mirraflake you sent that nasty PM to @musiclady she beat you like a red headed stepchild. 
   I'll admit that there are a few here that beat the crap out of me, on occasion, but I'd never acknowledge defeat that way.
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« Reply #321 on: December 18, 2018, 09:26:28 pm »
Lol You sure did whaaaaaaaa to the mod last week.

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So now you're bragging about your filthy PM??  Way to be a grown up.  *****rollingeyes*****

(btw, that's the very first time in all the years I've been here that someone has been so cowardly and nasty to me and the first PM I've ever reported.  It didn't "move" me one bit, but I wanted to report your violation of every rule this forum has, and every rule of human decency.  I care about this forum and didn't want you to get away with soiling it).

Next time you ping me, I shall not respond.  No more time to waste as the Celebration of the Birth of our Savior approaches, and my family comes home.

Merry Christmas, @mirraflake .   And Good bye.   :seeya:
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Re: The Biggest Losers of Trump’s Presidency: His Voters
« Reply #322 on: December 18, 2018, 09:27:15 pm »
@Sanguine

The "real stuff" for me is the inspired job she did as our Ambassador to the U.N.  Yes,  I had to "look up" (on Wikipedia) her positions (many of which have their origin in positions she took years ago as a S.C. legislator and governor),  but that was in order to respond substantively to your question.   Your question implied to me that you may have a chip on your shoulder when it comes to Ms. Haley.   Do you?    What fascinates me about her is her ability to appeal to Trumpers (she served with distinction, and didn't burn her bridges), as well as conservatives and even suburban centrists who like the optics of the "first female President".

I am not alone in my belief that Trump won't run for a second term.   At the root, he's a non-career politician who ran to shake things up;  I think he will proclaim that he's accomplished most of his goals and get back to his businesses and his family.     Obviously, that needs to occur for someone like Haley to get into the race.   But I can't think of anyone who checks off the boxes like she does.     

You're right, I'm not sure about Haley.  She likes taxes and big government from what I remember.  I very much like what she did at the UN and admire her outspokenness.  And, she seems to be one of the few leaving the Trump administration on good terms.

If she decides to run again, we'll see.  I'm willing to give her a chance, but I'm nowhere near ready to jump on her bandwagon.

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« Reply #323 on: December 18, 2018, 09:28:38 pm »
Lol You sure did whaaaaaaaa to the mod last week.

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Why do you think we have mods?

It is for people who can't abide by the rules.

Your choice.

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Re: The Biggest Losers of Trump’s Presidency: His Voters
« Reply #324 on: December 18, 2018, 09:29:59 pm »
Look up the word populist.

1.What conservative pushes for government run healthcare mandating that preexisting conditions has to be covered by "insurance". It belies the very meaning of the word insurance.
2.What conservative wants a return of the fairness doctrine so the government and courts can dictate what is "fair" in our media.
3.What conservative pushes broad tariffs starting a trade war which is now taking a bite out of our economy?
4.What conservative wanted "a big door in the wall" so people that were here illegally could quickly return?
5.What conservative has been friends for many years with the Clintons and donated hundreds of thousands of dollars to Hillary's senate campaign?
6.What conservative has been to Esptein's island to "party" with young girls?
7.What conservative endorsed and donated to a self proclaimed socialist for mayor of New York city?
8What conservative wanted an assault weapons ban (and is about to ban bump stocks), Canadian style healthcare and fully supported even partial birth abortion the previous time he ran for president?

1. I am in healthcare  and the pre ex clause was and is needed.   People with no prior insurance under open enrollment who have a sickness or accident are not covered. They have to wait until the next open enrollment period. Before the pre ex I have known people  who have played by the rules worked their asses off all their life only to be laid off at age 58 and no carrier would pick up their spouses cancer and they lost all their life savings  This hould not be happeniing in a first world country.

3. Trumps tarrifs worked with Mexico and Canada and Europe and is starting to work with China. You have to play tough with these characters.

4. Trump said they would go through the giant door legally after being vetted.

6. You have proof of this?

I could go on an don but donlt have all day to chnage opinions o fpeople who will never listen to factsl

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