The Biggest Losers of Trump’s Presidency: His Voters

[XenaLee]

My advice:  Better stock up on toilet paper, dogs and cats.  And Zoo animals.

Stock on barter items, too.   Liquor, cigs, chocolate, etc.   That way... if or when the worst case happens... at least you'll have something people want.... to trade for spam and cat food to eat.  Oh wait... spam and cat food will be too expensive.  Nevermind.

[txradioguy]

HRC won the popular vote and that is why the DEMS want to revamp the electoral college.

@libertybele the only time the Dems start talking about doing away with the EC or repealing the 22nd Amendment is with they lose.

You never heard that talk during the 8 years of Obama or when Billy Jeff was president. 

They only want to talk about changing the rules when they lose because they think they should win every single election no matter what.

[txradioguy]

It has been a long time since I have seen utter contempt for Conservatism worded this clearly"
If we are to take this at face value, then there is an absolute disconnect between voicing such contempt while at the same time arguing that we should all jump on board the Trump train because that is where Conservatism resides.

Clearly, the two statements contradict each other.

@Hoodat that's because people don't understand the difference between populism and conservatism.  They think they are interchangeable.

[edpc]

The principles Americans voted for were smaller government, beating back deep-state corruption, fair trade, the right to American sovereignty, including the rule of law in immigration; a strong military, constitutionalist judges, the 2nd Amendment, the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Well, you must be doing flips over this…


Trump administration officially bans bump stocks

https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/12/18/politics/bump-stocks-ban/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F

[libertybele]

Well, you must be doing flips over this…


Trump administration officially bans bump stocks

https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/12/18/politics/bump-stocks-ban/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F

He'll be given a free pass as usual. 

Those who possess the devices, which make it easier to fire rounds from a semi-automatic weapon by harnessing the gun's recoil to "bump" the trigger faster, will have 90 days to turn in or otherwise destroy them from the date that the final rule is published in the federal register -- likely this Friday -- according to senior DOJ officials.
 

[Jazzhead]

But, her beliefs?  Because that's what will be used, should she be elected to anything again.  Not her style or persona, but her beliefs.

I have no problem with Nikki Haley's "beliefs"  (i.e., political positions).   She's been a  member of the S.C. House of Representatives,  S.C. governor and U.S. representative to the U.N.   Those are impressive credentials.   Plus, she wasn't fired by Trump, and left on her own terms.     

As for her political positions:

- She's in favor of lower taxes.   She voted against a proposed tobacco surcharge.   (She voted to increase S.C.'s sales tax, but remember that states need to balance their budgets.) 

-  She was a good fiscal steward as governor

-  She supports school choice and charter schools

- She supports enforcement of the immigration laws, and voted in favor of laws that would require employers to prove that new hires are legal residents, and to require immigrants to carry documentation of legal status. 

- She's a strong supporter of the State of Israel

- She supports voter ID laws

- She has a track record of being pro-life,  including her signature on a bill that bans abortions after 20 weeks of pregnancy.   

[libertybele]

I have no problem with Nikki Haley's "beliefs"  (i.e., political positions).   She's been a  member of the S.C. House of Representatives,  S.C. governor and U.S. representative to the U.N.   Those are impressive credentials.   Plus, she wasn't fired by Trump, and left on her own terms.     

As for her political positions:

- She's in favor of lower taxes.   She voted against a proposed tobacco surcharge.   (She voted to increase S.C.'s sales tax, but remember that states need to balance their budgets.) 

-  She was a good fiscal steward as governor

-  She supports school choice and charter schools

- She supports enforcement of the immigration laws, and voted in favor of laws that would require employers to prove that new hires are legal residents, and to require immigrants to carry documentation of legal status. 

- She's a strong supporter of the State of Israel

- She supports voter ID laws

- She has a track record of being pro-life,  including her signature on a bill that bans abortions after 20 weeks of pregnancy.   

Links??

[Cyber Liberty]

He'll be given a free pass as usual. 

Those who possess the devices, which make it easier to fire rounds from a semi-automatic weapon by harnessing the gun's recoil to "bump" the trigger faster, will have 90 days to turn in or otherwise destroy them from the date that the final rule is published in the federal register -- likely this Friday -- according to senior DOJ officials.
 

Will that make people who won't comply "Felons?"  (Full disclosure:  I don't have any, and would not get any because I think "Spray and Pray" is an enormous waste of ammo and money.)

[libertybele]

Will that make people who won't comply "Felons?"  (Full disclosure:  I don't have any, and would not get any because I think "Spray and Pray" is an enormous waste of ammo and money.)

Is there any way that they gov't knows who has bump stocks?  If not ... then the only way to enforce this law is if you're caught having one. 

Will this open the door to search of all guns and perhaps seizure to see whether or not they have bump stocks??

[XenaLee]

Is there any way that they gov't knows who has bump stocks?  If not ... then the only way to enforce this law is if you're caught having one. 

Will this open the door to search of all guns and perhaps seizure to see whether or not they have bump stocks??

It better not.  But... with the leftists in control, anything is possible.  As they have already proven.

[txradioguy]

Is there any way that they gov't knows who has bump stocks?  If not ... then the only way to enforce this law is if you're caught having one. 

Will this open the door to search of all guns and perhaps seizure to see whether or not they have bump stocks??

House Dems eye quick action on guns in new Congress
Advocates of curbing gun violence believe the political landscape has shifted decisively in their favor.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/12/17/house-democrats-guns-background-checks-1063231

[Cyber Liberty]

Is there any way that they gov't knows who has bump stocks?  If not ... then the only way to enforce this law is if you're caught having one. 

Will this open the door to search of all guns and perhaps seizure to see whether or not they have bump stocks??

That's the first problem I have with any "gun (owner) control" law.  How far is the gummint willing to go to enforce such a law?  The lessons of CA and HI are disturbing in this regard.

[Cyber Liberty]

House Dems eye quick action on guns in new Congress
Advocates of curbing gun violence believe the political landscape has shifted decisively in their favor.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/12/17/house-democrats-guns-background-checks-1063231

I expect they will probably get their fingers burned doing that.

[libertybele]

That's the first problem I have with any "gun (owner) control" law.  How far is the gummint willing to go to enforce such a law?  The lessons of CA and HI are disturbing in this regard.

Indeed.  Anyway you cut it, Trump trampled on the 2A!  Who knows what the DEMS will do with this.  IMHO, Trump just showed his hand.

[Sanguine]

I have no problem with Nikki Haley's "beliefs"  (i.e., political positions).   She's been a  member of the S.C. House of Representatives,  S.C. governor and U.S. representative to the U.N.   Those are impressive credentials.   Plus, she wasn't fired by Trump, and left on her own terms.     

As for her political positions:

- She's in favor of lower taxes.   She voted against a proposed tobacco surcharge.   (She voted to increase S.C.'s sales tax, but remember that states need to balance their budgets.) 

-  She was a good fiscal steward as governor

-  She supports school choice and charter schools

- She supports enforcement of the immigration laws, and voted in favor of laws that would require employers to prove that new hires are legal residents, and to require immigrants to carry documentation of legal status. 

- She's a strong supporter of the State of Israel

- She supports voter ID laws

- She has a track record of being pro-life,  including her signature on a bill that bans abortions after 20 weeks of pregnancy.   

For the purposes of this discussion, I'm assuming that your statements are correct. 

That's the real stuff, but you had to go look it up before you could answer that question.  "Liking" a candidate is not a good way to select our representatives.  In fact, that assures we get people like 0bama.

[To-Whose-Benefit?]

Will that make people who won't comply "Felons?"  (Full disclosure:  I don't have any, and would not get any because I think "Spray and Pray" is an enormous waste of ammo and money.)

Back in the 50s when Jeff Cooper hired out to various foreign heads of State to train their personal security the 1st thing he did was take away their machine pistols and equip them with semi-auto 1911A1s.

Unless you're part of a unit clearing room to room, you're better off having the control of individually aimed shots.

Granted, that practicality doesn't absolve anyone of this bump stock ban, but the loss of actual firepower isn't near as great as some would make it out to be.

[To-Whose-Benefit?]

@Right_in_Virginia I’ve said it before; it needs be said again. YOU ROCK!

Put this to rest. Donald Trump has not failed his voters, nor will he fail if he continues as he has last three years.

What Trump promised his voters is that if they would elect him, he would work hard to achieve the conservative things he promised in the campaign. And by every objective standard he has worked tirelessly since then on those promises and has accomplished much despite tremendous opposition. I’ve never seen a man of his age work as hard. Compare that to Obama. That slacker never earned one day of his presidential (or senatorial) salary.

@aligncare
@Right_in_Virginia


I'll second this as the Post of the Day.

[Sanguine]

Indeed.  Anyway you cut it, Trump trampled on the 2A!  Who knows what the DEMS will do with this.  IMHO, Trump just showed his hand.

I think it's just a sop to the left.  Most of us didn't know bumpstocks existed until the Vegas shooting.  (And, if I remember correctly, he didn't even use a BS in his massacre.) It's an easy way to tell the left "we gave you something on the gun issue", and not really do anything.  I expect that the only action that will occur is BSs are no longer for sale and you will have to make your own if you want one, and if you're stupid enough to be driving around and get pulled over with a BS on your gun, you may be prosecuted for it.

[txradioguy]

@aligncare
@Right_in_Virginia


I'll second this as the Post of the Day.

Post of the day only if you don't go back and read what Trump said he was actually going to do...not work towards...if he was elected.

He made definitive statements about things that would happen in a Trump presidency...not "well I'll try to get this done or I'll work towards this if I'm elected".

Clear definitive statements of things he would make happen that no other candidate would or could.

And now that starting the day over the 2016 election results were in he started back tracking...the word parsing and history rewrite by his faithful core has begun.

[roamer_1]

@roamer_1, even strict, raw conservatism won't work now, because at least half of the population doesn't understand the situation that we are in and will blame conservatism.   We will have to experience the consequences of actions before those people even begin to understand what has been wrought.

@Sanguine
I know... The only chance we have left is repentance... which is what I hope for. what makes it a thousand times harder is all who claim this current nonsense is Conservatism... We will get the blame, as ironic as that may be.

[roamer_1]

He'll be given a free pass as usual. 

Those who possess the devices, which make it easier to fire rounds from a semi-automatic weapon by harnessing the gun's recoil to "bump" the trigger faster, will have 90 days to turn in or otherwise destroy them from the date that the final rule is published in the federal register -- likely this Friday -- according to senior DOJ officials.
 

So Popsicle sticks and rubber bands are illegal now?

[To-Whose-Benefit?]

So Popsicle sticks and rubber bands are illegal now?

Hell why not? Same damn fools outlawed lawn mower mufflers back in the 30s.

[To-Whose-Benefit?]

Post of the day only if you don't go back and read what Trump said he was actually going to do...not work towards...if he was elected.

He made definitive statements about things that would happen in a Trump presidency...not "well I'll try to get this done or I'll work towards this if I'm elected".

Clear definitive statements of things he would make happen that no other candidate would or could.

And now that starting the day over the 2016 election results were in he started back tracking...the word parsing and history rewrite by his faithful core has begun.

As opposed to the unicorn droppings HRC was promising?

[txradioguy]

As opposed to the unicorn droppings HRC was promising?

And that has what exactly to do with the fact that the Trump with Trump going back on things he said he would do, not might try to get done, starting the day he was sworn into office.

Falling back on the Hillary defense almost three years in to Trump's term in office isn't much of a defense these days...it's actually a dodge.

[Jazzhead]

For the purposes of this discussion, I'm assuming that your statements are correct. 

That's the real stuff, but you had to go look it up before you could answer that question.  "Liking" a candidate is not a good way to select our representatives.  In fact, that assures we get people like 0bama.

@Sanguine

The "real stuff" for me is the inspired job she did as our Ambassador to the U.N.  Yes,  I had to "look up" (on Wikipedia) her positions (many of which have their origin in positions she took years ago as a S.C. legislator and governor),  but that was in order to respond substantively to your question.   Your question implied to me that you may have a chip on your shoulder when it comes to Ms. Haley.   Do you?    What fascinates me about her is her ability to appeal to Trumpers (she served with distinction, and didn't burn her bridges), as well as conservatives and even suburban centrists who like the optics of the "first female President".

I am not alone in my belief that Trump won't run for a second term.   At the root, he's a non-career politician who ran to shake things up;  I think he will proclaim that he's accomplished most of his goals and get back to his businesses and his family.     Obviously, that needs to occur for someone like Haley to get into the race.   But I can't think of anyone who checks off the boxes like she does.