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« Reply #200 on: December 18, 2018, 02:20:13 am »

It's not called "conservatism".  It's called Americanism.  America's best principles first.

So move the hell out of the 80's and get on the damn train --- before it backs up and runs over you again.

Perhaps you should move the hell out of the 30's and stop peddling that Nuremberg nonsense.
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« Reply #201 on: December 18, 2018, 02:22:24 am »

JHC....     *****rollingeyes*****

Are you trying to convince me the NY street fighter has a boot on his neck?

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« Reply #202 on: December 18, 2018, 02:55:38 am »
Calm yourself down @Axeslinger and reread my post.  The only charade that has been exposed is the political label "conservative".  It is meaningless in today's political world.  It has come to be known as the politics of a group of aging didactic, religious zealots who have no plan for America's future.  And if they could talk a plan into existence, they'd not have the energy or strategic wherewithal to implement it.  So stop whining about someone not being "conservative" enough.  It is meaningless.  And stop whining about not having enough "conservatives" in office.  No one wants them and what they've become.

If you'd move your gaze from your rearview mirror you might be able to see that the awful, dirty "populism" has absorbed the best of conservatism.  The principles Americans voted for were smaller government, beating back deep-state corruption, fair trade, the right to American sovereignty, including the rule of law in immigration; a strong military, constitutionalist judges, the 2nd Amendment, the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

It's not called "conservatism".  It's called Americanism.  America's best principles first.

So move the hell out of the 80's and get on the damn train --- before it backs up and runs over you again.


@roamer_1  too.

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Call it whatever you want. Just because you don’t have the intellectual honesty to adhere to the principles of the founders conservatism and choose to be a malleable squish, please don’t be so presumptuous as to assume the rest of us have your lack of principles.

Carry on and take your nauseating condescension with you.

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« Reply #203 on: December 18, 2018, 03:52:20 am »
I'm simply amazed that folks are still arguing the liberal versus conservative crap when talking about President Trump.  The election of 2016 had nothing to do with "conservatism"  .... voters had and have no patience for the nuanced preaching and finger pointing that has come to define modern conservatism.  Sorry guys, but it was not even on the ballot.

The election of 2016 was about America ... it was America versus entrenched corruption and America versus Globalism.

The voters chose America.  And if you'd get past yourselves, you'd see how very conservative the voters are and the President is, to the best of his astonishing ability,  trying to govern.

The 80's are over so stop with the conservative label bullshit already.   If you must rage, rage against the boot on the President's neck. If you can't bring yourselves to do this, then in the name of God, at least stop whining about Donald Trump.

Maybe I'm remembering wrong, didn't the majority of the voters vote for HRC?

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« Reply #204 on: December 18, 2018, 03:57:19 am »

The 80's are over

What'chu Talkin' 'Bout Willis? The 80's will live FOREVER!!!!!!


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« Reply #205 on: December 18, 2018, 05:02:34 am »
@Right_in_Virginia

Call it whatever you want. Just because you don’t have the intellectual honesty to adhere to the principles of the founders conservatism and choose to be a malleable squish, please don’t be so presumptuous as to assume the rest of us have your lack of principles.

Carry on and take your nauseating condescension with you.

Thank you so much for that.  These Trump populists are pretty full of themselves.
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« Reply #206 on: December 18, 2018, 05:15:10 am »
What'chu Talkin' 'Bout Willis? The 80's will live FOREVER!!!!!!


Sorry...



AG William Barr: "I'm recused from that matter because one of the law firms that represented Epstein long ago was a firm that I subsequently joined for a period of time."

Alexander Acosta Labor Secretary resigned under pressure concerning his "sweetheart deal" with Jeffrey Epstein.  He was under consideration for AG after Sessions was removed, but was forced to resign instead.

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« Reply #207 on: December 18, 2018, 05:16:11 am »
Thank you so much for that.  These Trump populists are pretty full of themselves.

And why shouldn't we? Watching you come in here day in, day out slogging away trying to convince us we are wrong.

How's that working out for ya?

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« Reply #208 on: December 18, 2018, 05:19:21 am »
@Chosen Daughter

I disagree. They are by far the most dangerous. They fund most of the Islamic terrorism. IIRC,15 of the 17 terrorists that were involved in crashing airliners into buildings were from Saudi Arabia. Not only that,but it was Saudi Arabia that got Boy Jorge to invade Iraq to take down Saddam Hussein. He was never a danger to us,but he was a definite danger to the Sauds.

The fact that the Crown Prince and Boy Jorge loved swapping spit and possibly other body fluids does nothing to change this.



IRAN

Designated as a State Sponsor of Terrorism in 1984, Iran continued its terrorist-related activity in 2017, including support for Lebanese Hizballah (LH), Palestinian terrorist groups in Gaza, and various groups in Syria, Iraq, and throughout the Middle East. Iran used the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps-Qods Force (IRGC-QF) to provide support to terrorist organizations, provide cover for associated covert operations, and create instability in the Middle East. Iran has acknowledged the involvement of the IRGC-QF in both of the conflicts in Iraq and Syria, and the IRGC-QF is Iran’s primary mechanism for cultivating and supporting terrorists abroad. Iran uses regional proxy forces to provide sufficient deniability to shield it from the consequences of its aggressive policies.

In 2017, Iran supported various Iraqi Shia terrorist groups, including Kata’ib Hizballah. It also bolstered the Assad regime in Syria. Iran views the Assad regime in Syria as a crucial ally and Syria and Iraq as crucial routes to supply weapons to LH, Iran’s primary terrorist group ally. Through financial or residency enticements, Iran has facilitated and coerced primarily Shia fighters from Afghanistan and Pakistan to participate in the Assad regime’s brutal crackdown in Syria. Iranian-supported Shia militias in Iraq have also committed serious human rights abuses against primarily Sunni civilians. Iranian forces have directly backed militia operations in Syria with armored vehicles, artillery, and drones.

Since the end of the 2006 Israeli-Lebanese Hizballah conflict, Iran has supplied LH with thousands of rockets, missiles, and small arms, in direct violation of UNSCR 1701. Iran has also provided hundreds of millions of dollars in support of LH and has trained thousands of its fighters at camps in Iran. Lebanese Hizballah fighters have been used extensively in Syria to support the Assad regime. In Bahrain, Iran has continued to provide weapons, support, and training to local Shia militant groups. In March 2017, the Department of State designated two individuals affiliated with the Bahrain-based al-Ashtar Brigades (AAB), which receives funding and support from the Government of Iran, as Specially Designated Global Terrorists under Executive Order 13224.

Iran continued to provide weapons, training, and funding to Hamas and other Palestinian terrorist groups, including Palestine Islamic Jihad and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine-General Command. These Palestinian terrorist groups have been behind a number of deadly attacks originating in Gaza and the West Bank, including attacks against Israeli civilians and Egyptian security forces in the Sinai Peninsula.

The Iranian government maintains a robust offensive cyber program and has sponsored cyberattacks against foreign government and private sector entities.

Iran remained unwilling to bring to justice senior al-Qa’ida (AQ) members residing in Iran and has refused to publicly identify the members in its custody. Iran has allowed AQ facilitators to operate a core facilitation pipeline through Iran since at least 2009, enabling AQ to move funds and fighters to South Asia and Syria.


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April 17, 2018 | Policy Brief

State Sponsors of Terrorism: An Examination of Iran’s Global Terrorism Network


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INTRODUCTION

Chairman King, Ranking Member Rice, thank you for the opportunity to testify on behalf of the Foundation for Defense of Democracies and its Center on Sanctions and Illicit Finance.

Since its establishment, the Islamic Republic of Iran has viewed Latin America as a fertile ground for the export of its revolution. Tehran wants the Western Hemisphere to become a hotbed of anti-Americanism and a forward operating base for Iran. To this end, over nearly four decades, Tehran has built a network of mosques and cultural centers across the region. It aggressively expanded its base of supporters and sympathizers by dispatching itinerant preachers, who have successfully converted and radicalized thousands of Latin Americans to Iran’s version of Shi’a Islam. Iran has also helped Hezbollah establish itself as the dominant force among expatriate Shi’a Lebanese communities in the region. Hezbollah clerics and emissaries have taken control of their religious and communal institutions such as mosques, schools, cultural associations, and youth movements.

Where and when needed, these networks can also be activated to provide logistical and financial support to operatives engaged in planning terror attacks, safe haven for fugitives, and a source of revenue and illicit procurement for both the Iranian regime and Hezbollah itself.

In recent years, Hezbollah’s Latin American networks have also increasingly cooperated with violent drug cartels and criminal syndicates, often with the assistance of local corrupt political elites. Cooperation includes laundering of drug money; arranging multi-ton shipments of cocaine to the United States and Europe; and directly distributing and selling illicit substances to distant markets. Proceeds from these activities finance Hezbollah’s arms procurement; its terror activities overseas; its hold on Lebanon’s political system; and its efforts, both in Lebanon and overseas, to keep Shi’a communities loyal to its cause and complicit in its endeavors.

This toxic crime-terror nexus is fueling both the rising threat of global jihadism and the collapse of law and order across Latin America that is helping drive drugs and people northward into the United States.

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AG William Barr: "I'm recused from that matter because one of the law firms that represented Epstein long ago was a firm that I subsequently joined for a period of time."

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« Reply #209 on: December 18, 2018, 05:55:00 am »
Throwing our allegiances to political parties in the long run gave away our liberty.

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« Reply #210 on: December 18, 2018, 06:04:52 am »
"We will not turn back or sound retreat."

Amen Ronnie, amen! :amen:
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« Reply #211 on: December 18, 2018, 06:30:38 am »
And why shouldn't we? Watching you come in here day in, day out slogging away trying to convince us we are wrong.

How's that working out for ya?

Which us?  The us, us?  Or the you us?
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« Reply #212 on: December 18, 2018, 08:45:21 am »
Thank you so much for that.  These Trump populists are pretty full of themselves.

Four more days like today, and the much ballyhooed Trump bull market will have evaporated.
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« Reply #213 on: December 18, 2018, 10:15:06 am »
Four more days like today, and the much ballyhooed Trump bull market will have evaporated.

A perfect storm of Democrat turmoil in DC, tariffs swirling around, interest rate increasing and record deficit spending... International affairs are major mess... China and Russia are feeling adventurous... And Trump babbling about who knows what on Twitter... No certainty anywhere...

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« Reply #214 on: December 18, 2018, 12:52:01 pm »
@Right_in_Virginia

Call it whatever you want. Just because you don’t have the intellectual honesty to adhere to the principles of the founders conservatism and choose to be a malleable squish, please don’t be so presumptuous as to assume the rest of us have your lack of principles.

Carry on and take your nauseating condescension with you.

It's not condescension @Axeslinger   I'm trying to tell you conservative principles are alive and well .... they're over here and in the Oval Office.  The strongest believers in America's best principles First are the millions who pulled the lever for Donald Trump in spite of the ridicule and sanctimonious judgment they had to slog through to reach the polls.

I think it's more condescending to embrace conservative values only if they're wrapped in puritanical self-righteousness. 

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« Reply #215 on: December 18, 2018, 12:55:53 pm »
Thank you so much for that.  These Trump populists are pretty full of themselves.

Another quintessentially vapid comment @Chosen Daughter   Well done, you're on a roll.








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« Reply #216 on: December 18, 2018, 12:57:17 pm »
Perhaps you should move the hell out of the 30's and stop peddling that Nuremberg nonsense.

Perhaps you should read a book.  Warning:  the first time is always the most difficult.

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« Reply #217 on: December 18, 2018, 01:00:58 pm »
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Yup again, it's MY fault for Ending the War by Sitting on the Sidelines with Both Thumbs Up My ###.

Keep talking.

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« Reply #218 on: December 18, 2018, 01:02:22 pm »
No, it has not. Call it pragmatism or populism, it is a charade.

No, you voted on a paper mache version thereof, because none of it will happen without the very principles needed to attain those things.

You can call it anything you like - Just like all the hyphenated 'conservatism' that came before you that spat upon the truth.

Screw your damn train. I know where it's going. The same place populism always goes.


Conservatism as a viable political vehicle has stalled and will soon start to rust.  Conservative principles, however, are moving forward on the Trump train.  Learn to love it @roamer_1

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« Reply #219 on: December 18, 2018, 01:05:13 pm »

Are you trying to convince me the NY street fighter has a boot on his neck?

Yes.  And only a NY street fighter would still stand.  Be grateful. 

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« Reply #220 on: December 18, 2018, 01:20:01 pm »
It's not condescension @Axeslinger   I'm trying to tell you conservative principles are alive and well .... they're over here and in the Oval Office.  The strongest believers in America's best principles First are the millions who pulled the lever for Donald Trump in spite of the ridicule and sanctimonious judgment they had to slog through to reach the polls.

I think it's more condescending to embrace conservative values only if they're wrapped in puritanical self-righteousness.

Amen, sister!   :patriot:
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« Reply #221 on: December 18, 2018, 01:22:42 pm »
Yes.  And only a NY street fighter would still stand.  Be grateful.


I think I’m more impressed by Mueller’s flexibility.
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« Reply #222 on: December 18, 2018, 01:27:51 pm »

I think I’m more impressed by Mueller’s flexibility.

With how he works within the guidelines of the law to get people like Flynn? I agree.

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« Reply #223 on: December 18, 2018, 01:35:46 pm »

Conservatism as a viable political vehicle has stalled and will soon start to rust.  Conservative principles, however, are moving forward on the Trump train.  Learn to love it @roamer_1

OK, I'll bite...which conservative principles are moving forward on the Trump Train? I think you've confused "conservative" with "populist" and/or "nationalist".
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« Reply #224 on: December 18, 2018, 01:35:57 pm »
It's not condescension @Axeslinger   I'm trying to tell you conservative principles are alive and well .... they're over here and in the Oval Office.

In other words, you got caught telling the truth, but you are now trying to lie your way out of it.
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