Is Trump a liar?

[LMAO]

Those wrapping themselves in the flag should be able to answer that.

“B-b-b-b-b but Reagan”

[bigheadfred]

“B-b-b-b-b but Reagan”

Lol

Reagan completely screwed this country over with the national debt.

[MeganC]

Lol

Reagan completely screwed this country over with the national debt.

Reagan defeated the Soviet Union and forced them to retreat from Europe.

[libertybele]

Lol

Reagan completely screwed this country over with the national debt.

Reagan also granted amnesty.  He did some good, but amnesty for nearly 3,000,000 was a disaster for this country.

[Bigun]

Reagan, like everyone else, was human and not immune to making a mistake. He was also saddled with Democrat congresses IIRC. He did the best he could with the cards he was dealt IMHO.

[bigheadfred]

Reagan, like everyone else, was human and not immune to making a mistake. He was also saddled with Democrat congresses IIRC. He did the best he could with the cards he was dealt IMHO.

My point @Bigun  is that Reagan was willing to go to incredible lengths to defeat the commies and wouldn't be sitting on the sidelines watching the commies take over because of "muh principles".

[Bigun]

My point @Bigun  is that Reagan was willing to go to incredible lengths to defeat the commies and wouldn't be sitting on the sidelines watching the commies take over because of "muh principles".

I hear you loud and clear my friend! @bigheadfred

I fault Reagan for going along with amnesty for illegals. Otherwise, he did the best he could with the hands he was dealt.

[roamer_1]

My point @Bigun  is that Reagan was willing to go to incredible lengths to defeat the commies and wouldn't be sitting on the sidelines watching the commies take over because of "muh principles".

Aaaand, there it is. EVERY TIME. Every non-conservative movement demands that Principled Conservatives sacrifice principle. 'If you'd just cast down those first things...'

That should be enough to warn you all.

[roamer_1]

Reagan also granted amnesty.  He did some good, but amnesty for nearly 3,000,000 was a disaster for this country.

The amnesty was not the problem. It was the Democrat betrayal that happened thereafter.
Had Congress kept its word...

[roamer_1]

Lol

Reagan completely screwed this country over with the national debt.

No, in fact he did not.
And even if he did, Tumpy's crew hackin on Reagan is the pot calling the kettle black- and that's an exponentially big-ass pot.

[bigheadfred]

No, in fact he did not.
And even if he did, Tumpy's crew hackin on Reagan is the pot calling the kettle black- and that's an exponentially big-ass pot.

Lol. Exactly ass backwards

[IsailedawayfromFR]

So does adding $8 trillion to our national debt come from "love of country" or "lack thereof"?

and here I thought we had that number completely debunked in other threads.

Do we need to bring the facts back to the fore one more time or do we have to listen to those "good people" quotes again and again?

[IsailedawayfromFR]

It's more than that:  Love of country -- or lack thereof -- informs all decisions, including policy.

Absolutely.

The foundations of our country are based upon God's blessing, so to love our country is to love God.

There are those on this thread who believe otherwise it seems, even calling it crap or BS to say that.

[roamer_1]

Absolutely.

The foundations of our country are based upon God's blessing, so to love our country is to love God.

There are those on this thread who believe otherwise it seems, even calling it crap or BS to say that.

How bent. Very bent. NO, LOVE OF COUNTRY IS NOT LOVE OF GOD.
That is ridiculous.

[catfish1957]

and here I thought we had that number completely debunked in other threads.

Do we need to bring the facts back to the fore one more time or do we have to listen to those "good people" quotes again and again?

A trillion here and a trillion there isn't going to mean squat, when all dominos start dropping on BRICS, or what ever alternative.  Yesterday, India with strong language in that direction.   Today Turkey.   

The Fed, Treasury Dept, and every politican in DC is brain dead on this matter.  HOW LOUD do we need to scream!!!!!!!

[libertybele]

Absolutely.

The foundations of our country are based upon God's blessing, so to love our country is to love God.

There are those on this thread who believe otherwise it seems, even calling it crap or BS to say that.

??? You don't have to love this country in order to love God. One can love God without loving this country, and yes I firmly agree that this country was founded upon Christian principles and so the correlation would almost seem to be synonymous.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

A trillion here and a trillion there isn't going to mean squat, when all dominos start dropping on BRICS, or what ever alternative.  Yesterday, India with strong language in that direction.   Today Turkey.   

The Fed, Treasury Dept, and every politican in DC is brain dead on this matter.  HOW LOUD do we need to scream!!!!!!!

The point we are in too much debt is well taken.

My point is that it is not all Trump's fault, although he has managed to support way too much already.

To place all the debt incurred onto Trump during his years in office are misleading and in fact incorrect.

FDR exploded debt by 1047% while he was in office.

Is he to blame for all of it, or is the fact there was a war going on partially to blame?

[libertybele]

A trillion here and a trillion there isn't going to mean squat, when all dominos start dropping on BRICS, or what ever alternative.  Yesterday, India with strong language in that direction.   Today Turkey.   

The Fed, Treasury Dept, and every politican in DC is brain dead on this matter.  HOW LOUD do we need to scream!!!!!!!

How about those currently in charge don't give a damn.  The ultimate plan is the 'Great Reset' and globalization.

Trump is a big spender that goes without question, but I don't believe he is for globalization.  Otherwise he wouldn't have redesigned NAFTA and tried to re-balance trade relations with China. IMHO his objective is to keep the U.S. dollar as the dominant currency.  That is one reason they want him out of the picture.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

??? You don't have to love this country in order to love God. One can love God without loving this country, and yes I firmly agree that this country was founded upon Christian principles and so the correlation would almost seem to be synonymous.

Please read what I said again.

I said to love our country is to also love God.

And loving God is the most important thing there is in the world.

I never said one has to love the country to love God, like some twist my words to mean.

And I'll go so far to say that those who do not love God cannot love our country either, which is the likely root of all the rot in this country we see today.

[roamer_1]

Please read what I said again.

I said to love our country is to also love God.

FALSE.

[LMAO]

A trillion here and a trillion there isn't going to mean squat, when all dominos start dropping on BRICS, or what ever alternative.  Yesterday, India with strong language in that direction.   Today Turkey.   

The Fed, Treasury Dept, and every politican in DC is brain dead on this matter.  HOW LOUD do we need to scream!!!!!!!

I’ve been screaming it for almost as long as you have, and judging by some of the responses here, there always an excuse made by the followers of both parties.

And, besides the 7.8 trillion that was added onto the debt under Trump’s tenure, growth rates were pretty much the same as the Obama years. We didn’t get that 6% yearly GDP that Donald Trump promised. We did get 3% in 2018, but that was, as always is, downgraded to 2.9

How do you solve the problems when both parties supporters are in such denial?






It’s falling on deaf ears. I’ve given up. And if Harris gets elected, or Trump gets elected, and we go into some debt fueled crisis, I guarantee their sychophants  will have a truckload of excuses

They had every excuse in the world when Donald Trump fought Republicans and sided with Democrats over Covid spending. How many billions of that are not accounted for?

[roamer_1]

Lol. Exactly ass backwards

No... perfectly correct.

[LMAO]

I don’t think very many grasp the risks to the US economy when debt to  GDP ratio goes over 100%

We are currently running $2 trillion deficits at a time that we’re told the economy is supposed to be doing so good. Now it’s costing us more to  finance our debt than it is to defend the country. So far, we’re fairly lucky. But what happens when creditors start freaking out a little bit and demanding higher interest rates? We’ll have no choice. Borrowing cost will go up tremendously

This idea that we gotta get Trump elected first and then somewhere down the road  worry about this problem is unacceptable. We’ve been kicking the can down the road long enough.


We’ve gotten a taste of what happens when the government prints too much money to finance it spending. No, we don’t have the money to pay people to get IVF treatment or to put a $25,000 payment on a new home

[cato potatoe]

This idea that we gotta get Trump elected first and then somewhere down the road  worry about this problem is unacceptable. We’ve been kicking the can down the road long enough.

Yes and Trump may not have room to defer the fix.  Had he been re-elected, the GOP would have been wiped out in the midterms, after the public blamed them for inflation.  There is a decent chance the looming debt/inflation spiral will commence before 2029.