Is Trump a liar?

[catfish1957]

I remember when Biden said he was going to destroy the oil and gas industry yet record oil and gas production under his presidency. The highest amount in our nations history.

I remember well Limbaugh saying the Clintons were communist and would destroy the economy and lead to another depression. Yet the 1990's  was one of the greatest economic times in our history. Yeah yeah we had a republican House and Senate but still.
.

@massadvj

Damn that Gingrich, Contract for America and Republican majority....   

Planning a career in stand up comedy?

[LMAO]

I do  not like  Harris. Walz gives me the creeps. Something is off with that guy. I do not like Trump at all. Most likely I will vote for Trump when it comes down to it but will not like it.

@libertybele

@banddag

I see a lot of “I’m gonna vote for Trump, but I wish I had someone else”  type of posts this year


What’s funny is that before Harris got in the race, I heard the same thing from relatives about Biden and others from  my light blue area of Wisconsin. I also spend some time glancing over left-wing websites to gauge how they feel about candidates or issues, and the excitement is palpable compared to where they were in early June.

With Harris in the race, you would think you were witnessing the resurrection of Christ. This is their dream ticket. And that’s why the enthusiasm gap has widen

When asked about why they’re so enthusiastic now, considering that she was one of the first to drop her presidential bid on 2020, they never really give you an answer beyond some form of Hope and Change

It’s easy to understand If you put yourself into their shoes and Think about how someone like me would react if we had a Milei/Goldwater ticket as our choice

It is what it is. I told people back in August 2008 that Obama was going to be the next president and there were many that thought no way. And Obama wasn’t polling that well against McCain in August 2008.

[catfish1957]

As I said the other day. Anyone who is not 100% lockstep in your own narrow definition of  a conservative is  a liberal.
@catfish1957

Fair enough, and valid point $25-$28T ago.

Everything now has teetered on the backs of drunken sailor spending sham of a government. We are spiralling toward 3rd world status. And we are the Engine  of this wreckless fiscal train, and when the other international cars start decoupling, they are going to abandon us like a creepy uncle.

Let's talk the nuts and bolts of ancillary policies after getting our financial house in order.  So yes...   anything that infers deficit spending or driving the system toward socialism..... is a liberal concept...... PERIOD!!!!

[catfish1957]

@banddag

I see a lot of “I’m gonna vote for Trump, but I wish I had someone else”  type of posts this year


What’s funny is that before Harris got in the race, I heard the same thing from relatives about Biden and others from  my light blue area of Wisconsin. I also spend some time glancing over left-wing websites to gauge how they feel about candidates or issues, and the excitement is palpable compared to where they were in early June.

With Harris in the race, you would think you were witnessing the resurrection of Christ. This is their dream ticket. And that’s why the enthusiasm gap has widen

When asked about why they’re so enthusiastic now, considering that she was one of the first to drop her presidential bid on 2020, they never really give you an answer beyond some form of Hope and Change

It’s easy to understand If you put yourself into their shoes and Think about how someone like me would react if we had a Milei/Goldwater ticket as our choice

It is what it is. I told people back in August 2008 that Obama was going to be the next president and there were many that thought no way. And Obama wasn’t polling that well against McCain in August 2008.

I was a staunch RDS supporter this year, and the same for Cruz in '16.  Both have conservative cred.  Trump's not conservative,  but in the realm of politics, we lost.   And we will quadruply lose if Harris wins. I am sick and tired of this binary crap, but what else can be done?

[LMAO]

Damn that Gingrich, Contract for America and Republican majority....   

Yup

What would’ve the situation been like  if leftist won  Congress in 1994?

I remember very well Gingrich and John Kasich sending Bill Clinton’s budgets back and declaring them DOA


What the hell happened… Lol

[catfish1957]

Yup

What would’ve the situation been like  if leftist won  Congress in 1994?

I remember very well Gingrich and John Kasich sending Bill Clinton’s budgets back and declaring them DOA


What the hell happened… Lol

Every dim socialist initiative comes in the form it will only impact the very rich.  Best case in point?   Federal Income Tax.  The same argument was made in 1913, when congress enacted an income tax of levying a 1% tax on net personal incomes above $3,000, with a 6% surtax on incomes above $500,000.

By all of the 1950's to the early 1960's that top mariginal rate was over 90%.  Never trust a democrat or liberal.

[corbe]

   Thank You @mystery-ak for allowing such a broad spectrum of Conservative opinions in your Briefing Room. 
   It does not go unnoticed.   

[LMAO]

The large corporations, bankers, Wall street control the politicians. It does not really matter what they say. Trump if elected will not deport millions of people. He is already back peddling on that promise.

I remember when Biden said he was going to destroy the oil and gas industry yet record oil and gas production under his presidency. The highest amount in our nations history.

I remember well Limbaugh saying the Clintons were communist and would destroy the economy and lead to another depression. Yet the 1990's  was one of the greatest economic times in our history. Yeah yeah we had a republican House and Senate but still.

I would take Bill Clinton back (minus Hillary) over Harris and Trump any day.

@massadvj

@banddag

Although you’re right that there is fear porn on the right wing of the  political spectrum( remember that 1929 style stock market crash we were supposed to get if Biden got elected), the left isn’t doing too bad in that department themselves either


If I recall, Paul Krogman promised a recession that we would never get out of if Trump got elected. And how many times does  the left scream about throwing grandmothers over the cliff if anybody dare even points out the problems facing Social Security.

Trump is out there telling us what a sick country we are and bad mouthing the country. Voters don’t want to hear that from a presidential candidate. Why do you think Obama ran on “Hope and Change” even during the midst of an economic crash? Or Reagan, even  with the state of the country in 1980, spoke  of that “shining city on a hill” and promised America’s best days are yet to come?

[LMAO]

   Thank You @mystery-ak for allowing such a broad spectrum of Conservative opinions in your Briefing Room. 
   It does not go unnoticed.   

Ditto


I promised myself a hiatus but every time I sign back in the check my mail, I’m drawn back in when I see a poster or a subject that’s particularly interesting to me, especially @Hoodat’s Ukraine thread. I learned more from his thread alone than I have from the news media


I like @banddag posts for the reason you posted.


I should take a hiatus, though. The fishing is picking up on Lake Superior and I need to get myself some of that action before freeze up

[corbe]

For posters who might be wondering what this means, it comes from a post I made that, due to the current condition of the Republican Party of conservatives vs MAGAs, I would take my chances with the Harris presidency where at least there would be some semblance of unity against her progressive push amongst the GOP vs a Trump presidency were loyalty to Trump  would be demanded by his supporters from the GOP or risk a primary challenge. We saw this during his presidency with Covid. I never said that Harris would be good for the country.

    @LMAO I knew that's what you meant and never thought otherwise.  I have for years looked for the Quote of one of the Founding Fathers who railed against the establishment of political parties in America (not George Washington, who also spoke against this vile creation).

[roamer_1]

@roamer_1

Expect more posts like that as his campaign continues to falter. You know where you stand on these issues. I know where I stand.  Neither of us have to explain ourselves to them


 Nobody here would ever mistaken you for a Democrat or a liberal. And posters that claim otherwise also know that. They’re just upset that you and I and many other conservatives refuse to vote  for their cartoon character


It’s just their way of lashing out. Let them. As his campaign further falters, his supporters will use fear and personal insults to try to convince folks to vote Trump. Ignore them


What I find mildly amusing is them accusing us of being leftists when their own boy is further to the left on many of these issues than we are

  FACTS.

That you are accused is laughable. If someone says 'Goldwater', your name would be the one that pops in my head. Your steady Conservatism should be a measure.

[roamer_1]

The options suck,  none are Conservative, just back to lesser evil, but the lesser evil is considerable less evil than the greater one, and there is a chance, at least that progress will be made in the right direction, as opposed to the wrong one.

In the end friend, no, it's not. We have lost much liberty to the so-called lesser evil. The damage being done by Republicans is on y'all. And there's plenty of it. All because y'all will not bend them to your will and make them do like you intend them to. 'Better than Democrats' and candy from the clown at the head of the parade is piss pour strategery.

[roamer_1]

The unrealized cg plan is for high worth individuals with $100 million net worth plus who pay little or no income taxes.

40-50% of the American people cannot come up with $1000 cash for an emergency. 60-70% going paycheck to paycheck. SS is going broke, 29% of 62 year olds have zero retirement savings and the rest do not have enough.  Just disclosed several weeks ago 1/2 the US workers have stopped funding their 401k or cut back what they pay into it drastically or taking out loans against it.

If granny had to pay capital gains on her house or the middle class on their meager 401k it would destroy the housing industry, wall street, banking industry. It would be political suicide for any politician to vote it in and would probably lead to armed revolt. The CoC, banking industry, housing industry and Wall Street would never allow it to pass. The only thing that may pass is a small increase on corporate profits and it will probably be negotiated with numerous caveats.

Fear porn and misinformation has gripped conservatives. I do not like Harris. I wanted DeSantis but this fear mongering and misinformation is out of control.
@catfish1957

Yeah, bullshit. The thing you omit is that all corporations are treated the same... and almost all businesses are corporations. Whether or not your silly examples, that is a bare fact. And don't think for a minute that they will stop with the rich - taxing profit before it is made will become the norm - And if you don't believe me, just look at how inventory is taxed.

[roamer_1]

@banddag @roamer_1 @LMAO

I'm not out to persuade you one way or another. I used to vote for the candidate that would take this country forward in a more conservative direction.  We don't have that option this time around and I truly, deeply fear that this will be the last election for this country; at least for the GOP, due to changing demographics and stolen elections.  Both very troubling, but it's been that way for awhile.

Right now it's not even a matter of voting for the most conservative candidate; arguments obviously can be made that Trump is not a fiscal conservative.  That's a no brainer.  However, it is equally obvious that Trump is pro-America and pro-Christian and Harris is anti-American and anti-Christian.

I'll take the pro-American and pro-Christian any day; our country was founded upon Christian beliefs and principles.

That vote choice however is an individual one. For me it is a very simple choice. 

Peace.

Neither is pro-American or pro-Christian.

You are voting because of the color of the bunting. Almost literally.
Look to the record

[roamer_1]

$100M, becomes $10M, etc.  in no time, in true socialist fashion.  If you are too naïve not to realize that, then I really feel sorry for you.  Obama Care is a prime example

Bottom line...   You never let a socialist get a foot in the door on these items.

...Unless he has an 'R" next to his name 

[roamer_1]

I was a staunch RDS supporter this year, and the same for Cruz in '16.  Both have conservative cred.  Trump's not conservative,  but in the realm of politics, we lost.   And we will quadruply lose if Harris wins. I am sick and tired of this binary crap, but what else can be done?

STOP voting FOR big government on the Right.
Stop it.

More damage is done in lessening the opposition on the right than could ever be done by Democrats in power.

Take the 'L' and walk off. Don't add to it by electing the very thing you are against.

[Bigun]

I have completely lost my patience with those who are too damned blind to realize that either Trump or Harris is going to be the next president and thus any philosophical considerations rendered moot until that is settled.

I'M DONE WITH THE CIRCULAR ARGUMENTS!

[roamer_1]

I have completely lost my patience with those who are too damned blind to realize that either Trump or Harris is going to be the next president and thus any philosophical considerations rendered moot until that is settled.

I'M DONE WITH THE CIRCULAR ARGUMENTS!

Same damn thing. Either one is no different.
Let the chips fall where they may.
And next time, raise up a Conservative (for a change).

[Smokin Joe]

In the end friend, no, it's not. We have lost much liberty to the so-called lesser evil. The damage being done by Republicans is on y'all. And there's plenty of it. All because y'all will not bend them to your will and make them do like you intend them to. 'Better than Democrats' and candy from the clown at the head of the parade is piss pour strategery.

I'm not the one who posited Kamala getting elected was a good thing.

If you doubt that I am against the lesser evil, well, I have wasted 59,000 posts here and its time to move on. I have lofty dreams of having another Goldwater to elect, or even a Reagan, but am aware enough that that is just. not. what's. up. there.

It's like wanting Babe Ruth at bat and getting a mediocre second stringer with a poor batting average. No pinch hitters in this game, unless you count Kamala.

I don't have to be happy with it. It just is what it is.

What I am, mainly at this point, is dead set against more of this rush to the Left.

I'm not necessarily going to get all that, either, no matter who wins.

But one of those candidates is a fast trip to Hell and the other a slow train. I'm in no rush to get where that is going, but being along for the ride (as we all are, at the mercy of not only those who choose the candidates, but those who vote for them), I would opt for the slower train.

Why? Because it does not take as far to stop. Because it won't cover the ground the fast one does before it can be turned around, if it can be turned around.

Things are bad enough, but history shows there is a lot farther we can go toward both totalitarianism and economic ruin than we are now. We need to reverse course, and the faster we are going downhill, the harder that will be.

[Right_in_Virginia]

STOP voting FOR big government on the Right.
Stop it.

More damage is done in lessening the opposition on the right than could ever be done by Democrats in power.

Take the 'L' and walk off. Don't add to it by electing the very thing you are against.

This would be a compelling argument if this was an election about budgets or "left vs. right".  It is neither.

This is a back to basics election with a vote for or against:  A return to freedom, both freedom from and freedom to;  a return to the rule of law; and a return to national sovereignty. 

America gets this vote right and we will live another day to fight over spending --- we get this wrong and the great American experiment ends.

[catfish1957]

This would be a compelling argument if this was an election about budgets or "left vs. right".  It is neither.

This is a back to basics election with a vote for or against:  A return to freedom, both freedom from and freedom to;  a return to the rule of law; and a return to national sovereignty. 

America gets this vote right and we will live another day to fight over spending --- we get this wrong and the great American experiment ends.

Agree, unless we get a continued diet of like minded surrogates and clones.  Can I get assurances that won't happen?

[roamer_1]

I'm not the one who posited Kamala getting elected was a good thing.

I don't care which way it goes. It's all the same damn thing.

But I will stand with @LMAO in his thinking there - That the right might just rise up in opposition to Harris, instead of kissing Tumpy's liberal ass.

He's right in that. They scream like banshees when the left spends trillions - But not a peep when the same damn budgets go through a Tumpy administration with his signature right on 'em.

If you doubt that I am against the lesser evil, well, I have wasted 59,000 posts here and its time to move on. I have lofty dreams of having another Goldwater to elect, or even a Reagan, but am aware enough that that is just. not. what's. up. there.

It's like wanting Babe Ruth at bat and getting a mediocre second stringer with a poor batting average. No pinch hitters in this game, unless you count Kamala.

I don't have to be happy with it. It just is what it is.

Well, no brother, you ain't... Because you're voting *FOR* it. No offense meant, just calling you out on your own marks.

Here's my thing... As long as y'all are willing to vote *FOR* the lesser evil, that's what you will get. And thirty years of watching this game go on proves it.

What I am, mainly at this point, is dead set against more of this rush to the Left.

Liberals are not winning on merit. Liberalism has no merit.
Liberals are winning because they have no opposition.

STOP voting for liberalism from the RIGHT.

I'm not necessarily going to get all that, either, no matter who wins.

But one of those candidates is a fast trip to Hell and the other a slow train. I'm in no rush to get where that is going, but being along for the ride (as we all are, at the mercy of not only those who choose the candidates, but those who vote for them), I would opt for the slower train.

Why? Because it does not take as far to stop. Because it won't cover the ground the fast one does before it can be turned around, if it can be turned around.

Things are bad enough, but history shows there is a lot farther we can go toward both totalitarianism and economic ruin than we are now. We need to reverse course, and the faster we are going downhill, the harder that will be.

You can say anything you want, but by voting for that slow train to hell for the last 30 years, well not only are we almost to hell, but going downhill and picking up speed. Because you are getting evil either way.

It's time to turn the damn train around.

But y'all will not. This 'lesser evil' argument always wins the day. Even though it's bullshit. Even though it is the reason there is no opposition to evil. Y'all will do it anyway, even when your mammas taught you better.

[corbe]

   Trump has taken on Messiah-like properties to them; they can't criticize him AND therein lies the major problem for the last 10 years.

[roamer_1]

This would be a compelling argument if this was an election about budgets or "left vs. right".  It is neither.

This is a back to basics election with a vote for or against:  A return to freedom, both freedom from and freedom to;  a return to the rule of law; and a return to national sovereignty. 

America gets this vote right and we will live another day to fight over spending --- we get this wrong and the great American experiment ends.

What bullshit.

FIRST, it's ALWAYS about budgets. ALWAYS.
The left is funded by your big government. It is GOVERNMENT.

Therefore, smaller government EQUALS greater liberty. Less funding EQUALS more liberty.

And it has nothing to do with freedom. Total bullshit coming from an administration that did more damage to libertarian ideals than any other since Roosevelt.

LIBERTY has responsibilities.
Freedom has consequences.

[catfish1957]

What bullshit.

FIRST, it's ALWAYS about budgets. ALWAYS.
The left is funded by your big government. It is GOVERNMENT.

Therefore, smaller government EQUALS greater liberty. Less funding EQUALS more liberty.

And it has nothing to do with freedom. Total bullshit coming from an administration that did more damage to libertarian ideals than any other since Roosevelt.

LIBERTY has responsibilities.
Freedom has consequences.

To all those, who think the debt is meaningless......

Just saw on another thread where India is mulling on a BRICS conversion.  I don't know if the average Briefer understands what will happen if the world stops using the $USD as reference currency.   If I was another country, and the world economic well being relies on a nation that is in debt to the tune of 150% of GDP?......   I'd get the hell out.

[bigheadfred]

What bullshit.

FIRST, it's ALWAYS about budgets. ALWAYS.
The left is funded by your big government. It is GOVERNMENT.

Therefore, smaller government EQUALS greater liberty. Less funding EQUALS more liberty.

And it has nothing to do with freedom. Total bullshit coming from an administration that did more damage to libertarian ideals than any other since Roosevelt.

LIBERTY has responsibilities.
Freedom has consequences.

Reagan gave fiscal irresponsibility a hell of a run for it.

[roamer_1]

To all those, who think the debt is meaningless......

Just saw on another thread where India is mulling on a BRICS conversion.  I don't know if the average Briefer understands what will happen if the world stops using the $USD as reference currency.   If I was another country, and the world economic well being relies on a nation that is in debt to the tune of 150% of GDP?......   I'd get the hell out.

That's right. Things are fixin to get dark quick. And no magic messiah is going to fix that. That is time to pay the piper, for the evil wrought from both sides of the aisle.

[roamer_1]

Reagan gave fiscal irresponsibility a hell of a run for it.

No, in fact, he did not. He had a strong dollar worth what, 40 times what it is today?

You are limited in your view to borrowing - Borrowing in and of itself is not the problem. All nations acquire and repay debt.

[catfish1957]

That's right. Things are fixin to get dark quick. And no magic messiah is going to fix that. That is time to pay the piper, for the evil wrought from both sides of the aisle.

And ahead of the "sky is falling" accusants...

You can keep kicking a can down the road......   at least until there still is a can.

[roamer_1]

Reagan's borrowing gave us twenty years of prosperity like never seen in the world before.

Tumpy's borrowing can't even buy us two.

Why is that?

[roamer_1]

And ahead of the "sky is falling" accusants...

You can keep kicking a can down the road......   at least until there still is a can.

Or a road.

[catfish1957]

Or a road.

Which bears to ask.....   Do you really want to be in charge when the SHTF?

[roamer_1]

Which bears to ask.....   Do you really want to be in charge when the SHTF?

I ain't in charge of any of it. We've got cows and we've got chickens. We've got fish, and we've got game. That's what I'm in charge of. And we will get by.

So it don't matter to me which side wins, because the result will be the same - Or close enough to it that y'all are arguing about the arrangement of the deck chairs.

DOOM is coming. Like storm clouds high and wide on the horizon.
And the band plays on.

I can holler. I can point. But sooner or later I will duck in and tuck in, and hunker down... And then you'll hear no more from me.

But maybe y'all will remember that I told you so.

[bigheadfred]

No, in fact, he did not. He had a strong dollar worth what, 40 times what it is today?

You are limited in your view to borrowing - Borrowing in and of itself is not the problem. All nations acquire and repay debt.

He tripled the debt with no plan to pay it back.

[corbe]

Which bears to ask.....   Do you really want to be in charge when the SHTF?

   Great Question @catfish1957   My answer, in my life experiences, is only demonrats and narcistic people try to take charge when SHTF, example below.

[LMAO]

He tripled the debt with no plan to pay it back.

In the 1980's, the government wasn't printing currency to finance deficits. And, with the fall of the USSR, we were able to have a "peace Dividend" which made it easier for the 1994 Congress to  balance the budget

We are funding deficits with printed currency today. Believers in Modern Monetary Theory, like Sanders, AOC, and Trump believe we can print money to finance spending.

[roamer_1]

He tripled the debt with no plan to pay it back.

No. He borrowed against the treasury using monetary instruments - Treasury notes and bonds are let with a sure end - They ARE paid back. We have not defaulted.

Had that been that, it would have been fine. But they kept borrowing long after Reagan was gone... And then they started printing instead of borrowing, or alongside of borrowing, better said.

Now the debt is getting to be more money than there actually is in the world, getting covered with inflated dollars that ain't worth using for toilet paper.

It's surely coming... And then you'll know the difference.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Reagan's borrowing gave us twenty years of prosperity like never seen in the world before

So.... Reagan's to blame for the world's economic bubble that collapsed in 2007 causing the subsequent global recession/depression.

Thanks for clearing that up.

[roamer_1]

So.... Reagan's to blame for the world's economic bubble that collapsed in 2007 causing the subsequent global recession/depression.

Thanks for clearing that up.

Not true.

[libertybele]

Neither is pro-American or pro-Christian.

You are voting because of the color of the bunting. Almost literally.
Look to the record

Bull.  Take a look at the Trump presidency throughout it's course -- he protected veterans, he ramped up the military, he made calls to families of the fallen, he attend memorials, he adjusted NAFTA, he dealt with China, Russia, and North Korea, etc. vs. Biden looking at his watch, his debacle in Afghanistan, etc., and Kamel's non appearance at memorial.

Trump's per-inauguration event was very patriotic; it had me in tears.  He is the voice of people who want to see this country succeed.   This is contrary to Brandon's transition team whose duty was to ensure that Christianity and religious freedom were done away with. 

[roamer_1]

Bull.  Take a look at the Trump presidency throughout it's course -- he protected veterans, he ramped up the military, he made calls to families of the fallen, he attend memorials, he adjusted NAFTA, he dealt with China, Russia, and North Korea, etc. vs. Biden looking at his watch, his debacle in Afghanistan, etc., and Kamel's non appearance at memorial.

Like I said... bunting.

[libertybele]

Like I said... bunting.

What about the 13 fallen in Afghanistan that the Biden administration didn't even recognize or name those individuals?  Trump let them tell their story to America at the RNC convention. Big difference.

You can deny the differences all you want, I'll vote for America.

[libertybele]

This would be a compelling argument if this was an election about budgets or "left vs. right".  It is neither.

This is a back to basics election with a vote for or against:  A return to freedom, both freedom from and freedom to;  a return to the rule of law; and a return to national sovereignty. 

America gets this vote right and we will live another day to fight over spending --- we get this wrong and the great American experiment ends.

Amen and Amen!!

[Right_in_Virginia]

Not true.

Quoting your assessment that Reagan's manipulations fueled the economic bubble until it burst in 2007 causing a global recession/depression. 

Reagan's borrowing gave us twenty years of prosperity like never seen in the world before.

[roamer_1]

What about the 13 fallen in Afghanistan that the Biden administration didn't even recognize or name those individuals?  Trump let them tell their story to America at the RNC convention. Big difference.

You can deny the differences all you want, I'll vote for America.

Incidental, at best... Casting no shade on them good folks.

Just like last time, 4 years of EOs and drama... and you'll have done nothing when you're done.
Watch and see.

And all y'all will see it in the off-years... All y'all will come back around and tell me I was right.

But then you'll do it again, the same damn way, next time. 

[roamer_1]

Quoting your assessment that Reagan's manipulations fueled the economic bubble until it burst in 2007 causing a global recession/depression. 

That isn't what 'burst'.

[LMAO]

   Trump has taken on Messiah-like properties to them; they can't criticize him AND therein lies the major problem for the last 10 years.

Which will accelerate in the unlikely event he wins another term

[libertybele]

Incidental, at best... Casting no shade on them good folks.

Just like last time, 4 years of EOs and drama... and you'll have done nothing when you're done.
Watch and see.

And all y'all will see it in the off-years... All y'all will come back around and tell me I was right.

But then you'll do it again, the same damn way, next time. 

Perhaps 4 years of EO's and drama....better than completely losing our Republic to a marxist/communist and have a country that is truly unrecognizable.

SO ... let's imagine that Kamel wins the presidency @roamer_1 do you think after another 4 years of what we've been experiencing, this country is going to see another day?  Look around.  It's much more than fiscal policy; it's ignoring the rule of law, allowing thugs to get away with crimes without punishment, allowing gangs to take over apartment complexes and homes, allowing ILLEGALS to rape, murder, steal while being rewarded with medical, food and housing benefits. IMHO amnesty is just around the corner for them with a Kamel presidency.  Then how do you expect a conservative ever to be seated again???

These are serious questions.

If you think it's not going to eventually effect you where you live, IMHO you are very sadly mistaken.

[roamer_1]

Perhaps 4 years of EO's and drama....better than completely losing our Republic to a marxist/communist and have a country that is truly unrecognizable.

You are going to lose it to marxism, because you are voting *FOR* socialism in the opposition.
How can you not see that? You are voting *FOR* that AS the OPPOSITION.

So either you get marxism or socialism... Both the same damn thing, except one wrapped in 'Murica' bunting... It's so damn sad.

SO ... let's imagine that Kamel wins the presidency @roamer_1 do you think after another 4 years of what we've been experiencing, this country is going to see another day?  Look around.  It's much more than fiscal policy; it's ignoring the rule of law, allowing thugs to get away with crimes without punishment, allowing gangs to take over apartment complexes and homes, allowing ILLEGALS to rape, murder, steal while being rewarded with medical, food and housing benefits. IMHO amnesty is just around the corner for them with a Kamel presidency.  Then how do you expect a conservative ever to be seated again???

These are serious questions.

If you think it's not going to eventually effect you where you live, IMHO you are very sadly mistaken.

None of that changes with Tumpy. The cities will burn. The border will be feigned at. The debt will increase. Printing will increase. Probably you will see government take-over of the food system either way. Areas of industry will fall to government. But 'Muirca' , damn it.

[LMAO]

SO ... let's imagine that Kamel wins the presidency @roamer_1 do you think after another 4 years of what we've been experiencing, this country is going to see another day? 

Yes

This country is more than the Trump/Harris show.

I'm not saying things wont be difficult. And both Trump and Harris bring problems of their own. But America has survived worse

Trump has you convinced that this country will fall to Third World status if he's not elected. He made those same claims in 2020. Where's my 1929 style stock market crash he promised us if Biden won

The bullshit isn't just unique to Trump voters. I've read the same gloom and doom on the left if Trump wins when Biden was losing to him early this summer

I've  said the pendulum swings. Always. And it will again. Patience.  But the GOP will have to come to terms with not only their Trump problem, but how they created the situation that gave rise to someone like Trump in the first place in the party after they lose this fall