Is Trump a liar?

[bigheadfred]

What bullshit.

FIRST, it's ALWAYS about budgets. ALWAYS.
The left is funded by your big government. It is GOVERNMENT.

Therefore, smaller government EQUALS greater liberty. Less funding EQUALS more liberty.

And it has nothing to do with freedom. Total bullshit coming from an administration that did more damage to libertarian ideals than any other since Roosevelt.

LIBERTY has responsibilities.
Freedom has consequences.

Reagan gave fiscal irresponsibility a hell of a run for it.

[roamer_1]

To all those, who think the debt is meaningless......

Just saw on another thread where India is mulling on a BRICS conversion.  I don't know if the average Briefer understands what will happen if the world stops using the $USD as reference currency.   If I was another country, and the world economic well being relies on a nation that is in debt to the tune of 150% of GDP?......   I'd get the hell out.

That's right. Things are fixin to get dark quick. And no magic messiah is going to fix that. That is time to pay the piper, for the evil wrought from both sides of the aisle.

[roamer_1]

Reagan gave fiscal irresponsibility a hell of a run for it.

No, in fact, he did not. He had a strong dollar worth what, 40 times what it is today?

You are limited in your view to borrowing - Borrowing in and of itself is not the problem. All nations acquire and repay debt.

[catfish1957]

That's right. Things are fixin to get dark quick. And no magic messiah is going to fix that. That is time to pay the piper, for the evil wrought from both sides of the aisle.

And ahead of the "sky is falling" accusants...

You can keep kicking a can down the road......   at least until there still is a can.

[roamer_1]

Reagan's borrowing gave us twenty years of prosperity like never seen in the world before.

Tumpy's borrowing can't even buy us two.

Why is that?

[roamer_1]

And ahead of the "sky is falling" accusants...

You can keep kicking a can down the road......   at least until there still is a can.

Or a road.

[catfish1957]

Or a road.

Which bears to ask.....   Do you really want to be in charge when the SHTF?

[roamer_1]

Which bears to ask.....   Do you really want to be in charge when the SHTF?

I ain't in charge of any of it. We've got cows and we've got chickens. We've got fish, and we've got game. That's what I'm in charge of. And we will get by.

So it don't matter to me which side wins, because the result will be the same - Or close enough to it that y'all are arguing about the arrangement of the deck chairs.

DOOM is coming. Like storm clouds high and wide on the horizon.
And the band plays on.

I can holler. I can point. But sooner or later I will duck in and tuck in, and hunker down... And then you'll hear no more from me.

But maybe y'all will remember that I told you so.

[bigheadfred]

No, in fact, he did not. He had a strong dollar worth what, 40 times what it is today?

You are limited in your view to borrowing - Borrowing in and of itself is not the problem. All nations acquire and repay debt.

He tripled the debt with no plan to pay it back.

[corbe]

Which bears to ask.....   Do you really want to be in charge when the SHTF?

   Great Question @catfish1957   My answer, in my life experiences, is only demonrats and narcistic people try to take charge when SHTF, example below.

[LMAO]

He tripled the debt with no plan to pay it back.

In the 1980's, the government wasn't printing currency to finance deficits. And, with the fall of the USSR, we were able to have a "peace Dividend" which made it easier for the 1994 Congress to  balance the budget

We are funding deficits with printed currency today. Believers in Modern Monetary Theory, like Sanders, AOC, and Trump believe we can print money to finance spending.

[roamer_1]

He tripled the debt with no plan to pay it back.

No. He borrowed against the treasury using monetary instruments - Treasury notes and bonds are let with a sure end - They ARE paid back. We have not defaulted.

Had that been that, it would have been fine. But they kept borrowing long after Reagan was gone... And then they started printing instead of borrowing, or alongside of borrowing, better said.

Now the debt is getting to be more money than there actually is in the world, getting covered with inflated dollars that ain't worth using for toilet paper.

It's surely coming... And then you'll know the difference.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Reagan's borrowing gave us twenty years of prosperity like never seen in the world before

So.... Reagan's to blame for the world's economic bubble that collapsed in 2007 causing the subsequent global recession/depression.

Thanks for clearing that up.

[roamer_1]

So.... Reagan's to blame for the world's economic bubble that collapsed in 2007 causing the subsequent global recession/depression.

Thanks for clearing that up.

Not true.

[libertybele]

Neither is pro-American or pro-Christian.

You are voting because of the color of the bunting. Almost literally.
Look to the record

Bull.  Take a look at the Trump presidency throughout it's course -- he protected veterans, he ramped up the military, he made calls to families of the fallen, he attend memorials, he adjusted NAFTA, he dealt with China, Russia, and North Korea, etc. vs. Biden looking at his watch, his debacle in Afghanistan, etc., and Kamel's non appearance at memorial.

Trump's per-inauguration event was very patriotic; it had me in tears.  He is the voice of people who want to see this country succeed.   This is contrary to Brandon's transition team whose duty was to ensure that Christianity and religious freedom were done away with. 

[roamer_1]

Bull.  Take a look at the Trump presidency throughout it's course -- he protected veterans, he ramped up the military, he made calls to families of the fallen, he attend memorials, he adjusted NAFTA, he dealt with China, Russia, and North Korea, etc. vs. Biden looking at his watch, his debacle in Afghanistan, etc., and Kamel's non appearance at memorial.

Like I said... bunting.

[libertybele]

Like I said... bunting.

What about the 13 fallen in Afghanistan that the Biden administration didn't even recognize or name those individuals?  Trump let them tell their story to America at the RNC convention. Big difference.

You can deny the differences all you want, I'll vote for America.

[libertybele]

This would be a compelling argument if this was an election about budgets or "left vs. right".  It is neither.

This is a back to basics election with a vote for or against:  A return to freedom, both freedom from and freedom to;  a return to the rule of law; and a return to national sovereignty. 

America gets this vote right and we will live another day to fight over spending --- we get this wrong and the great American experiment ends.

Amen and Amen!!

[Right_in_Virginia]

Not true.

Quoting your assessment that Reagan's manipulations fueled the economic bubble until it burst in 2007 causing a global recession/depression. 

Reagan's borrowing gave us twenty years of prosperity like never seen in the world before.

[roamer_1]

What about the 13 fallen in Afghanistan that the Biden administration didn't even recognize or name those individuals?  Trump let them tell their story to America at the RNC convention. Big difference.

You can deny the differences all you want, I'll vote for America.

Incidental, at best... Casting no shade on them good folks.

Just like last time, 4 years of EOs and drama... and you'll have done nothing when you're done.
Watch and see.

And all y'all will see it in the off-years... All y'all will come back around and tell me I was right.

But then you'll do it again, the same damn way, next time. 

[roamer_1]

Quoting your assessment that Reagan's manipulations fueled the economic bubble until it burst in 2007 causing a global recession/depression. 

That isn't what 'burst'.

[LMAO]

   Trump has taken on Messiah-like properties to them; they can't criticize him AND therein lies the major problem for the last 10 years.

Which will accelerate in the unlikely event he wins another term

[libertybele]

Incidental, at best... Casting no shade on them good folks.

Just like last time, 4 years of EOs and drama... and you'll have done nothing when you're done.
Watch and see.

And all y'all will see it in the off-years... All y'all will come back around and tell me I was right.

But then you'll do it again, the same damn way, next time. 

Perhaps 4 years of EO's and drama....better than completely losing our Republic to a marxist/communist and have a country that is truly unrecognizable.

SO ... let's imagine that Kamel wins the presidency @roamer_1 do you think after another 4 years of what we've been experiencing, this country is going to see another day?  Look around.  It's much more than fiscal policy; it's ignoring the rule of law, allowing thugs to get away with crimes without punishment, allowing gangs to take over apartment complexes and homes, allowing ILLEGALS to rape, murder, steal while being rewarded with medical, food and housing benefits. IMHO amnesty is just around the corner for them with a Kamel presidency.  Then how do you expect a conservative ever to be seated again???

These are serious questions.

If you think it's not going to eventually effect you where you live, IMHO you are very sadly mistaken.

[roamer_1]

Perhaps 4 years of EO's and drama....better than completely losing our Republic to a marxist/communist and have a country that is truly unrecognizable.

You are going to lose it to marxism, because you are voting *FOR* socialism in the opposition.
How can you not see that? You are voting *FOR* that AS the OPPOSITION.

So either you get marxism or socialism... Both the same damn thing, except one wrapped in 'Murica' bunting... It's so damn sad.

SO ... let's imagine that Kamel wins the presidency @roamer_1 do you think after another 4 years of what we've been experiencing, this country is going to see another day?  Look around.  It's much more than fiscal policy; it's ignoring the rule of law, allowing thugs to get away with crimes without punishment, allowing gangs to take over apartment complexes and homes, allowing ILLEGALS to rape, murder, steal while being rewarded with medical, food and housing benefits. IMHO amnesty is just around the corner for them with a Kamel presidency.  Then how do you expect a conservative ever to be seated again???

These are serious questions.

If you think it's not going to eventually effect you where you live, IMHO you are very sadly mistaken.

None of that changes with Tumpy. The cities will burn. The border will be feigned at. The debt will increase. Printing will increase. Probably you will see government take-over of the food system either way. Areas of industry will fall to government. But 'Muirca' , damn it.

[LMAO]

SO ... let's imagine that Kamel wins the presidency @roamer_1 do you think after another 4 years of what we've been experiencing, this country is going to see another day? 

Yes

This country is more than the Trump/Harris show.

I'm not saying things wont be difficult. And both Trump and Harris bring problems of their own. But America has survived worse

Trump has you convinced that this country will fall to Third World status if he's not elected. He made those same claims in 2020. Where's my 1929 style stock market crash he promised us if Biden won

The bullshit isn't just unique to Trump voters. I've read the same gloom and doom on the left if Trump wins when Biden was losing to him early this summer

I've  said the pendulum swings. Always. And it will again. Patience.  But the GOP will have to come to terms with not only their Trump problem, but how they created the situation that gave rise to someone like Trump in the first place in the party after they lose this fall