Is Trump a liar?

[libertybele]

   Trump has taken on Messiah-like properties to them; they can't criticize him AND therein lies the major problem for the last 10 years.

Hey, go ahead and criticize Trump all you want.  I certainly have and will continue to do so and certainly he doesn't possess Messiah-like properties.

My only point of contention is patriotism, love of country, the rule of law and belief in Christianity vs. no love of country or it's people, ignoring the rule of law and rebuking Christianity.  Our country was founded upon Christian morals and principles. 

Trump's smearing of DeSantis and Cruz still doesn't sit well with me and never will. Cruz stood behind him for the most part during his presidency, DeSantis has stated that he will campaign for him .... something needs to be learned from that.

[Bigun]

I have no more time for people who cannot discern between full fledged Commies and people who genuinely LOVE this country. Not going to waste another second on them. Perhaps that's just me.

[libertybele]

Yes

This country is more than the Trump/Harris show.

I'm not saying things wont be difficult. And both Trump and Harris bring problems of their own. But America has survived worse

Trump has you convinced that this country will fall to Third World status if he's not elected. He made those same claims in 2020. Where's my 1929 style stock market crash he promised us if Biden won

The bullshit isn't just unique to Trump voters. I've read the same gloom and doom on the left if Trump wins when Biden was losing to him early this summer

I've  said the pendulum swings. Always. And it will again. Patience.  But the GOP will have to come to terms with not only their Trump problem, but how they created the situation that gave rise to someone like Trump in the first place in the party after they lose this fall

The situation with Trump was created or perhaps a better word is fabricated by the bogus Russia collusion, fake impeachments, liberal smear tactics, bogus felonies, etc., and absolutely a stolen election that put Joe at the helm to begin with!!! 

Go ahead and vote Harris.  You need to absolutely vote how you see fit.  I'm only defending my position, and my intent is not or was not to try and convince you to vote otherwise.

Peace.

[LMAO]

I have no more time for people who cannot discern between full fledged Commies and people who genuinely LOVE this country. Not going to waste another second on them. Perhaps that's just me.

Loving your country isn't a policy

Stalin, Mussolini, Castro, Mao all loved their country. Horrible policies, though

[roamer_1]

Loving your country isn't a policy

Stalin, Mussolini, Castro, Mao all loved their country. Horrible policies, though

Yabut, yabutt...
You're not a patriot unless you vote *FOR* Tumpy...
You're not a patriot unless you vote *FOR* big government coming from the 'Right'...

Puleeez. 

I swear... It's the same damn thing every election year.

[libertybele]

Loving your country isn't a policy

Stalin, Mussolini, Castro, Mao all loved their country. Horrible policies, though

Gee, I didn't realize that Stalin, Mussolini, Castro and Mao loved America!

We're talking about America, but you already knew that and your rebuttal is pretty thin.

Plain and simple -- once again -- either you vote for someone who is pro-America or you vote for someone who is anti-America.  That scenario is pretty obvious and pretty darn cut and dry.

That's all. This conversation is over.

[goatprairie]

The situation with Trump was created or perhaps a better word is fabricated by the bogus Russia collusion, fake impeachments, liberal smear tactics, bogus felonies, etc., and absolutely a stolen election that put Joe at the helm to begin with!!! 

Go ahead and vote Harris.  You need to absolutely vote how you see fit.  I'm only defending my position, and my intent is not or was not to try and convince you to vote otherwise.

Peace.

"and absolutely a stolen election"

There's still ZERO!!! evidence of a stolen election. Trump lied....period. Because he couldn't stand losing to a cadaverous toad like Joe Biden, and he generally lies about numerous other things.
And no, I'm not voting for Harris.

[Cyber Liberty]

"and absolutely a stolen election"

There's still ZERO!!! evidence of a stolen election. Trump lied....period. Because he couldn't stand losing to a cadaverous toad like Joe Biden, and he generally lies about numerous other things.
And no, I'm not voting for Harris.

Enough of that.  Only Democrat voters still believe there is no evidence of cheating.  The elections people in GA recently admitted there were more than enough fake ballots for Biden to reverse 2020 in that state.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Loving your country isn't a policy

It's more than that:  Love of country -- or lack thereof -- informs all decisions, including policy.

[Bigun]

It's more than that:  Love of country -- or lack thereof -- informs all decisions, including policy.

Absolutely!

[IsailedawayfromFR]

Which bears to ask.....   Do you really want to be in charge when the SHTF?

So FDR being leader was better than Hoover during the Great Depression?

[IsailedawayfromFR]

Loving your country isn't a policy

Stalin, Mussolini, Castro, Mao all loved their country. Horrible policies, though

That is a very poor argument you are presenting.

The people you listed committed mass murders on a scale rarely seen in the world and you believe they loved the country so much they murdered their own countrymen?

Loving your country is being patriotic which is the absolute highest policy one can obtain.

Too bad George Washington is not around for you to ask him whether he believed that a suitable policy.

[LMAO]

The people you listed committed mass murders on a scale rarely seen in the world and you believe they loved the country so much they murdered their own countrymen?

 

Since you missed it the first time


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqQ-g60BVx8

Watch it and get back to me

[libertybele]

Yes

This country is more than the Trump/Harris show.

I'm not saying things wont be difficult. And both Trump and Harris bring problems of their own. But America has survived worse

Trump has you convinced that this country will fall to Third World status if he's not elected. He made those same claims in 2020. Where's my 1929 style stock market crash he promised us if Biden won

The bullshit isn't just unique to Trump voters. I've read the same gloom and doom on the left if Trump wins when Biden was losing to him early this summer

I've  said the pendulum swings. Always. And it will again. Patience.  But the GOP will have to come to terms with not only their Trump problem, but how they created the situation that gave rise to someone like Trump in the first place in the party after they lose this fall

What a bunch of garbled crappola.  First of all I find irony with your statement that things have been worse.  Really?  You claim that our country's deficit has skyrocketed higher than ever before (blaming Trump's lack of fiscal responsibility); since our deficit is much higher than it's ever been, in that light, your statement is completely false that hings have been worse.

Speaking of deficit .... to disregard the billions if not trillions by now that we have spent on Ukraine is shameful.

Never in history have we had such disregard for the rule of law that gangs are taking over apartment complexes and homes and squatters taking over homes without repercussions.

Never in history have we had bogus impeachments, fake Russia collusion, bogus felony charges along with an attempted assassination on a past president to circumvent an election.  Never in history has an election been stolen that it was so obvious that now people are coming forward and admitting what took place.  Never in history has their been a nominee selected for the people instead of the people voting for the nominee.

Never in history have we seen a massive defunding of the police so much so that cities are in pretty dire shape.

Never in history have we seen such massive and intentional ILLEGAL migration into this country to change the demographics to win an election. If you think that they are being let in because the DEMS feel sorry for them, you truly need to open your eyes. Our citizens are being murdered, raped, and tortured and our government continues to opt to not defend its citizens. 

Interestingly, you say we'll spring back from all of this if the GOP is just patient.   

[Cyber Liberty]

It's more than that:  Love of country -- or lack thereof -- informs all decisions, including policy.

 

[Cyber Liberty]

So FDR being leader was better than Hoover during the Great Depression?

They were both abysmal.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

Since you missed it the first time


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqQ-g60BVx8

Watch it and get back to me

Never confronts facts, just draws cartoons,

must be a Biden relative

[LMAO]

What a bunch of garbled crappola.  First of all I find irony with your statement that things have been worse.  Really?  You claim that our country's deficit has skyrocketed higher than ever before (blaming Trump's lack of fiscal responsibility); since our deficit is much higher than it's ever been, in that light, your statement is completely false that hings have been worse.

Speaking of deficit .... to disregard the billions if not trillions by now that we have spent on Ukraine is shameful.

Never in history have we had such disregard for the rule of law that gangs are taking over apartment complexes and homes and squatters taking over homes without repercussions.

Never in history have we had bogus impeachments, fake Russia collusion, bogus felony charges along with an attempted assassination on a past president to circumvent an election.  Never in history has an election been stolen that it was so obvious that now people are coming forward and admitting what took place.  Never in history has their been a nominee selected for the people instead of the people voting for the nominee.

Never in history have we seen a massive defunding of the police so much so that cities are in pretty dire shape.

Never in history have we seen such massive and intentional ILLEGAL migration into this country to change the demographics to win an election. If you think that they are being let in because the DEMS feel sorry for them, you truly need to open your eyes. Our citizens are being murdered, raped, and tortured and our government continues to opt to not defend its citizens. 

Interestingly, you say we'll spring back from all of this if the GOP is just patient.   

Nothing is insurmountable

Take the debt and deficit for example. I believe that, along with the general expansion of the federal government, is the number one issue facing this country. But that doesn't mean it can't be fixed. It'll take leadership.

But it won't be fixed by promising $25,000 for new home purchases or paying for IVF treatments. These deficits are so out of control that even if we got the defit down to a trillion, that would be progress

[IsailedawayfromFR]

They were both abysmal.

You are correct, they both failed us. 

I consider both patriots who had the divergence of views of conservative (Hoover) vs liberal (FDR) to solve the economic problem.

I also venture to say that FDR used the excuse of economic ruin to stupendously enlarging the government and welfare state from which we as a country have never recovered, and we have that legacy now of almost 100 years of governmental taking control.

[roamer_1]

It's more than that:  Love of country -- or lack thereof -- informs all decisions, including policy.

More absolute bullcrap.

[roamer_1]

Loving your country is being patriotic which is the absolute highest policy one can obtain.

Well, no it is not. All of our country's foundation is first beholden to God - THAT is the absolute and highest policy to obtain.

And love of country means nothing without context.

[Hoodat]

It's more than that:  Love of country -- or lack thereof -- informs all decisions, including policy.

So does adding $8 trillion to our national debt come from "love of country" or "lack thereof"?

[massadvj]

I would take Bill Clinton back (minus Hillary) over Harris and Trump any day.

@massadvj

But this is not what is on the ballot.

[MeganC]

It's more than that:  Love of country -- or lack thereof -- informs all decisions, including policy.

 

[roamer_1]

So does adding $8 trillion to our national debt come from "love of country" or "lack thereof"?

Those wrapping themselves in the flag should be able to answer that.

[LMAO]

Those wrapping themselves in the flag should be able to answer that.

“B-b-b-b-b but Reagan”

[bigheadfred]

“B-b-b-b-b but Reagan”

Lol

Reagan completely screwed this country over with the national debt.

[MeganC]

Lol

Reagan completely screwed this country over with the national debt.

Reagan defeated the Soviet Union and forced them to retreat from Europe.

[libertybele]

Lol

Reagan completely screwed this country over with the national debt.

Reagan also granted amnesty.  He did some good, but amnesty for nearly 3,000,000 was a disaster for this country.

[Bigun]

Reagan, like everyone else, was human and not immune to making a mistake. He was also saddled with Democrat congresses IIRC. He did the best he could with the cards he was dealt IMHO.

[bigheadfred]

Reagan, like everyone else, was human and not immune to making a mistake. He was also saddled with Democrat congresses IIRC. He did the best he could with the cards he was dealt IMHO.

My point @Bigun  is that Reagan was willing to go to incredible lengths to defeat the commies and wouldn't be sitting on the sidelines watching the commies take over because of "muh principles".

[Bigun]

My point @Bigun  is that Reagan was willing to go to incredible lengths to defeat the commies and wouldn't be sitting on the sidelines watching the commies take over because of "muh principles".

I hear you loud and clear my friend! @bigheadfred

I fault Reagan for going along with amnesty for illegals. Otherwise, he did the best he could with the hands he was dealt.

[roamer_1]

My point @Bigun  is that Reagan was willing to go to incredible lengths to defeat the commies and wouldn't be sitting on the sidelines watching the commies take over because of "muh principles".

Aaaand, there it is. EVERY TIME. Every non-conservative movement demands that Principled Conservatives sacrifice principle. 'If you'd just cast down those first things...'

That should be enough to warn you all.

[roamer_1]

Reagan also granted amnesty.  He did some good, but amnesty for nearly 3,000,000 was a disaster for this country.

The amnesty was not the problem. It was the Democrat betrayal that happened thereafter.
Had Congress kept its word...

[roamer_1]

Lol

Reagan completely screwed this country over with the national debt.

No, in fact he did not.
And even if he did, Tumpy's crew hackin on Reagan is the pot calling the kettle black- and that's an exponentially big-ass pot.

[bigheadfred]

No, in fact he did not.
And even if he did, Tumpy's crew hackin on Reagan is the pot calling the kettle black- and that's an exponentially big-ass pot.

Lol. Exactly ass backwards

[IsailedawayfromFR]

So does adding $8 trillion to our national debt come from "love of country" or "lack thereof"?

and here I thought we had that number completely debunked in other threads.

Do we need to bring the facts back to the fore one more time or do we have to listen to those "good people" quotes again and again?

[IsailedawayfromFR]

It's more than that:  Love of country -- or lack thereof -- informs all decisions, including policy.

Absolutely.

The foundations of our country are based upon God's blessing, so to love our country is to love God.

There are those on this thread who believe otherwise it seems, even calling it crap or BS to say that.

[roamer_1]

Absolutely.

The foundations of our country are based upon God's blessing, so to love our country is to love God.

There are those on this thread who believe otherwise it seems, even calling it crap or BS to say that.

How bent. Very bent. NO, LOVE OF COUNTRY IS NOT LOVE OF GOD.
That is ridiculous.

[catfish1957]

and here I thought we had that number completely debunked in other threads.

Do we need to bring the facts back to the fore one more time or do we have to listen to those "good people" quotes again and again?

A trillion here and a trillion there isn't going to mean squat, when all dominos start dropping on BRICS, or what ever alternative.  Yesterday, India with strong language in that direction.   Today Turkey.   

The Fed, Treasury Dept, and every politican in DC is brain dead on this matter.  HOW LOUD do we need to scream!!!!!!!

[libertybele]

Absolutely.

The foundations of our country are based upon God's blessing, so to love our country is to love God.

There are those on this thread who believe otherwise it seems, even calling it crap or BS to say that.

??? You don't have to love this country in order to love God. One can love God without loving this country, and yes I firmly agree that this country was founded upon Christian principles and so the correlation would almost seem to be synonymous.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

A trillion here and a trillion there isn't going to mean squat, when all dominos start dropping on BRICS, or what ever alternative.  Yesterday, India with strong language in that direction.   Today Turkey.   

The Fed, Treasury Dept, and every politican in DC is brain dead on this matter.  HOW LOUD do we need to scream!!!!!!!

The point we are in too much debt is well taken.

My point is that it is not all Trump's fault, although he has managed to support way too much already.

To place all the debt incurred onto Trump during his years in office are misleading and in fact incorrect.

FDR exploded debt by 1047% while he was in office.

Is he to blame for all of it, or is the fact there was a war going on partially to blame?

[libertybele]

A trillion here and a trillion there isn't going to mean squat, when all dominos start dropping on BRICS, or what ever alternative.  Yesterday, India with strong language in that direction.   Today Turkey.   

The Fed, Treasury Dept, and every politican in DC is brain dead on this matter.  HOW LOUD do we need to scream!!!!!!!

How about those currently in charge don't give a damn.  The ultimate plan is the 'Great Reset' and globalization.

Trump is a big spender that goes without question, but I don't believe he is for globalization.  Otherwise he wouldn't have redesigned NAFTA and tried to re-balance trade relations with China. IMHO his objective is to keep the U.S. dollar as the dominant currency.  That is one reason they want him out of the picture.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

??? You don't have to love this country in order to love God. One can love God without loving this country, and yes I firmly agree that this country was founded upon Christian principles and so the correlation would almost seem to be synonymous.

Please read what I said again.

I said to love our country is to also love God.

And loving God is the most important thing there is in the world.

I never said one has to love the country to love God, like some twist my words to mean.

And I'll go so far to say that those who do not love God cannot love our country either, which is the likely root of all the rot in this country we see today.

[roamer_1]

Please read what I said again.

I said to love our country is to also love God.

FALSE.

[LMAO]

A trillion here and a trillion there isn't going to mean squat, when all dominos start dropping on BRICS, or what ever alternative.  Yesterday, India with strong language in that direction.   Today Turkey.   

The Fed, Treasury Dept, and every politican in DC is brain dead on this matter.  HOW LOUD do we need to scream!!!!!!!

I’ve been screaming it for almost as long as you have, and judging by some of the responses here, there always an excuse made by the followers of both parties.

And, besides the 7.8 trillion that was added onto the debt under Trump’s tenure, growth rates were pretty much the same as the Obama years. We didn’t get that 6% yearly GDP that Donald Trump promised. We did get 3% in 2018, but that was, as always is, downgraded to 2.9

How do you solve the problems when both parties supporters are in such denial?






It’s falling on deaf ears. I’ve given up. And if Harris gets elected, or Trump gets elected, and we go into some debt fueled crisis, I guarantee their sychophants  will have a truckload of excuses

They had every excuse in the world when Donald Trump fought Republicans and sided with Democrats over Covid spending. How many billions of that are not accounted for?

[roamer_1]

Lol. Exactly ass backwards

No... perfectly correct.

[LMAO]

I don’t think very many grasp the risks to the US economy when debt to  GDP ratio goes over 100%

We are currently running $2 trillion deficits at a time that we’re told the economy is supposed to be doing so good. Now it’s costing us more to  finance our debt than it is to defend the country. So far, we’re fairly lucky. But what happens when creditors start freaking out a little bit and demanding higher interest rates? We’ll have no choice. Borrowing cost will go up tremendously

This idea that we gotta get Trump elected first and then somewhere down the road  worry about this problem is unacceptable. We’ve been kicking the can down the road long enough.


We’ve gotten a taste of what happens when the government prints too much money to finance it spending. No, we don’t have the money to pay people to get IVF treatment or to put a $25,000 payment on a new home

[cato potatoe]

This idea that we gotta get Trump elected first and then somewhere down the road  worry about this problem is unacceptable. We’ve been kicking the can down the road long enough.

Yes and Trump may not have room to defer the fix.  Had he been re-elected, the GOP would have been wiped out in the midterms, after the public blamed them for inflation.  There is a decent chance the looming debt/inflation spiral will commence before 2029.