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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #200 on: May 29, 2024, 09:29:06 am »
Secret Service met with Riker’s Island to prep for possible Trump jailing – report
May 29, 2024 | Chris Donaldson

The odds are so stacked against former President Donald J. Trump in the Stormy Daniels sham trial that the Secret Service is already making arrangements for his imprisonment.

According to a report from CBS News, representatives from the USSS have “met with local jail officials” to prepare for the possibility that rabidly partisan Judge Juan Merchan could order him to be locked up if the jury comes back with a conviction.

“It’s a possibility that officials in state and federal agencies have begun preparing for, according to a New York corrections source, who said the Secret Service has met with local jail officials,” the outlet reported.

The “local jail” for New York City is the notoriously violent Riker’s Island.

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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #201 on: May 29, 2024, 09:32:05 am »
Back in the USSR...  you don't how lucky are boy....    Back in the USSR, 

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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #202 on: May 29, 2024, 09:50:07 am »
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I am back in the courtroom for the instructions.
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« Reply #203 on: May 29, 2024, 09:52:39 am »
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I am back in the courtroom for the instructions.

I'm surprised that Marchan the crooked Columbian judge hasn't banned the likes of Turley and Derschowitz from the courtroom.   They aren't aligned with his narrative and intent.
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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #204 on: May 29, 2024, 10:14:53 am »
11 minutes ago
Trump enters courtroom without speaking, Don Jr. by his side
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Donald Trump opted for no morning speech ahead of jury instructions and the start of deliberations in his hush money criminal trial. He was accompanied by his team of attorneys and son Don Jr.

Trump usually gives a few minutes to the cameras each morning before he enters the courtroom, but today he walked directly inside, ignoring shouted questions about whether he's happy with his attorneys and why he doesn't want to talk.

He gave a thumbs-up that turned into a wave before transitioning back into a thumbs-up.
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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #205 on: May 29, 2024, 10:15:14 am »
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Jury instructions to take about an hour: judge
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Justice Merchan tells the jury that instructions will take about one hour.
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« Reply #206 on: May 29, 2024, 10:17:20 am »
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The jury of 18 New Yorkers, 12 primary and 6 alternate have entered the courtroom and have been seated.

They will receive jury instructions from Merchan for about the next hour at which point they will then go to deliberate the fate of the 45th President and leading candidate for President, Donald J. Trump.

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Merchan begins by explaining to the jury that he will read the instructions to the jury over the next hour and that they will not receive a written copy of his instructions. Merchan said at any time, he can read back the instructions or in full or part when requested.

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Merchan: “It is not my responsibility to judge the facts here. You have the responsibility to determine whether the defendant is guilty or not guilty.”
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« Reply #207 on: May 29, 2024, 10:19:33 am »
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Merchan now talking about unconscious views and how that can lead to bias. Merchan mentions race, religion, sexual orientation, gender, gender identity as ways which jurors could be bias…what he omitted was POLITICAL BELIEFS!

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Merchan: “In evaluating the evidence, you may evaluate any fact that was proven or any inference that a fact is true.”

Merchan gives an example of not seeing rain overnight but waking up to seeing the ground is wet.
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« Reply #208 on: May 29, 2024, 10:33:43 am »
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Merchan addressing redacted material saying that the jury must not draw any conclusions of what was redacted.

Merchan now listing the limiting instructions and includes David Pecker, and Michael Cohen’s guilty pleas. He says the Jury may not consider the GLOAT’s guilty pleas when deliberating over the defendant’s guilt or innocence.

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The “Honorable Judge” Merchan is now explaining the fundamental principles of our law: the presumption of innocence, the burden of proof and guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. “The people have the burden of proof beyond a reasonable doubt.”

“The defendant never has the burden of proof.”

“The burden of proof never shifts from the people to the defendant.”

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Merchan still explaining reasonable doubt and continues that guilt cannot be proven by speculation.

“If you are not convinced that the defendant is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt of a crime., you must not convict the defendant of a crime.”

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The “Honorable Judge” Merchan says they jury must consider if: “the testimony of the witness plausible and likely to be true or implosible and unlikely to be true?”

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« Reply #209 on: May 29, 2024, 10:34:30 am »
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Merchan says the jury may consider if a witness had a motive to lie and if they had a benefit in their testimony or if they had an interest.

My note: It is obvious that the jury must consider that for both Porn Star Stormy Daniels and GLOAT Michael Cohen.

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Merchan: “The contents of a prior and inconsistent statement is not proof that something happened or did not happen.”

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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #210 on: May 29, 2024, 10:36:37 am »
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Judge tells jury to 'not speculate' about possible Trump sentencing
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Justice Juan Merchan tells the jurors that they "may not speculate about matters related to sentence or punishment."

In other words, the judge will decide Trump's sentence if there is a verdict of guilty.
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« Reply #212 on: May 29, 2024, 10:40:56 am »
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Merchan says he will now instruct on the law. That law is:

Falsifying business records in the first degree, 34 counts
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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #213 on: May 29, 2024, 10:43:53 am »
Merchan told the jury, " You must always find the GUILTY party GUILTY even if you think the GUILTY party is not GUILTY"
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« Reply #214 on: May 29, 2024, 10:44:39 am »
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The “Honorable Judge” mentions motive for the first time.
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« Reply #215 on: May 29, 2024, 10:47:40 am »
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Merchan now talking about New York State Election Law, which the Soros Funded DA has alleged President Trump violated.

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Merchan says you may consider the defendants conduct when trying to determine intent to defraud.
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« Reply #216 on: May 29, 2024, 10:52:57 am »
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As the jury considers this, they must remember that whatever Cohen alleges he did with business records was not until 2017.

President Trump was elected November 8, 2016 and he does NOT have a Time Machine!

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Merchan brings up the Press exemption and explains it to the jury. This is something the jury will consider when discussing David Pecker, of the National Enquirer, dealings with the GLOAT, Michael Cohen.

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Merchan, the “Honorable Judge” is now describing the third law the Soros funded DA attempted to prove President Trump was guilty of: Violation of Tax Laws.
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« Reply #217 on: May 29, 2024, 10:56:49 am »
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Remember the Soros funded DA is alleging that President Trump is guilty of violating tax laws by paying TOO MUCH in taxes because of the alleged “gross it up” scheme.

They have gone full circle from Hillary’s 2016 campaign (fireworks available at a deep discount).

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Merchan, the “Honorable Judge” is now listing the 34 counts that the Soros funded DA’s office has attempted to prove that President Trump violated.

Individual invoices and checks each have their individual counts.
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« Reply #218 on: May 29, 2024, 10:58:12 am »
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Jonathan Turley inside court: Judge delivers coup de grace instruction to jurors

Merchan just delivered the coup de grace instruction. He said that there is no need to agree on what occurred. They can disagree on what the crime was among the three choices. Thus, this means that they could split 4-4-4 and he will still treat them as unanimous...

-- Jonathan Turley, constitutional law attorney and FNC contributor
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Jonathan Turley: Judge instructs first count of falsifying business records

Merchan has instructed that the first count of falsifying business records in the first degree must show that Trump made or causes a false entry to be made. Intent means conscious or purpose to defraud. Intent does not require an intent to defraud any particular person or entry but a general intent to defraud.

Merchan said that the crime being committed was the NY election law by “unlawful means.” However, that “unlawful means” is shown when there is a showing of intent to cause actions or the performance of conduct.

-- Jonathan Turley, constitutional law attorney and FNC contributor

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Judge reminds jurors where burden of proof rests

Judge Merchan made clear to jurors the circumstances in which they can find former President Donald Trump guilty.

The judge made clear that the burden of proof is on the people, or the prosecution in the case, and not on Trump, the defendant. Merchan also noted that Trump not testifying in the case is not to be used as a factor, telling jurors that the defendant is not the one has has to prove their own innocence and that the burden of proof never shift from the people to the defendant.

Merchan went on to explain the legal concept of burden of proof, noting that the law does not require the prosecution to prove guilt beyond all reasonable doubt. Each juror is responsible for deciding whether they are convinced beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant is guilty or not, the judge said.

THe judge also reminded jurors that a verdict cannot rest on speculation.
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Jonathan Turley inside court: Judge tells jury they can't convict based 'solely' on Cohen testimony

Merchan instructed that Cohen is an accomplice and, as such, there is a special concern over such testimony particularly when there are benefits for testimony. There must be corroborating evidence. In other words, you may not convict the defendant solely on the basis of the testimony of Cohen.

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« Reply #220 on: May 29, 2024, 11:01:42 am »
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Jurors need "corroborating" evidence beyond the testimony of Michael Cohen to convict Trump of felonies, Judge Merchan said Wednesday.

Cohen, a convicted felon, is considered an "accomplice" under the law, meaning that jurors cannot convict Trump "solely" based on his testimony.

"Even if you find the testimony of Michael Cohen to be believable, you cannot convict, unless there is other corroborating evidence," the judge instructed panelists.
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Can someone tell me the crime(s) Trump committed?
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« Reply #222 on: May 29, 2024, 11:08:21 am »
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Judge Merchan to jury:  You must decide whether a witness told the truth or testified falsely - or was mistaken.
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« Reply #224 on: May 29, 2024, 11:10:41 am »
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Merchan, the “Honorable Judge” now giving the jury the definitions for falsifying business records and intent. He continues that the people must determine if the defendant had the intent and repeats that You must decide whether there was intent and You may consider the persons conduct, what did the person do or say, was that result the natural consequence of that conduct.

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Merchan says: “Knowledge of a conspiracy does not make the defendant a co-conspirator”. He continues that the defendant much intend to participate in the conspiracy.
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