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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #100 on: May 28, 2024, 03:18:28 pm »
Secret Service has reportedly met with local jail officials in New York to make possible preparations for Donald Trump behind bars. 

https://x.com/CollinRugg/status/1795499217101951456

Yes..if found guilty he will be taken into custody...but it's up to the judge..
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« Reply #101 on: May 28, 2024, 03:20:17 pm »
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Andy McCarthy inside court: Judge allowing prosecution to reference non-admissible evidence

New York Prosecutor Joshua Steinglass just stressed that Michael Cohen pled guilty and the crime was committed at Trump’s direction.

Defense objection overruled.

Again: Cohen’s guilty plea is not admissible evidence against Trump. Judge Juan Merchan nevertheless allowing it to be used to establish that Trump has thus far escaped accountability for crimes that Cohen has been convicted of and committed at Trump’s direction.

-- Andrew McCarthy, former assistant U.S. attorney and Fox News Channel contributor
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Andy McCarthy: Trump prosecutors are making up a crime as they go along

Andrew McCarthy, former assistant U.S. attorney and Fox News contributor, appeared on America's Newsroom Monday saying that in the case N.Y. v. Trump "we still don't have difinity about what the crime is."

"We have situation where the statute doesn't perscribe clearly what the state says Trump did that makes him guilty, the indictment doesn't put him on notice of the [crime], we've had a five-week trial, five weeks of testimony after opening statements, we're right on the verge of summations and it's still not clear what they say he did," McCarthy said.

"It's like they're making up a crime as they go along." McCarthy added.

Jonathan Turley, constitutional law attorney and FNC contributor, also joined the broadcasting, saying that the most likely outcome - in his view - is a hung jury.

"I still cannot believe that a jury can be unanimous on this evidence," Turley said.
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« Reply #102 on: May 28, 2024, 03:22:49 pm »
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Andrew McCarthy in court: DA’s office is making up its own version of campaign law

 Steinglass is now going through the Dino Sajudin NDA for $30K. Says it was OVERT ELECTION FRAUD to promote Trump’s election by unlawful means. It was an illegal corporate campaign contribution.

The DA’s office is making up its own version of campaign law. And note: nothing in the indictment refers to anything about Sajudin. They are making up federal campaign law as they go along after giving the defense no notice in the indictment that this was part of the charges.

The claim is that Trump caused Pecker/AMI to make an illegal corporate contribution under federal law … under circumstances where the Justice Department, which has exclusive jurisdiction to enforce FECA criminally, did not prosecute anyone over the Sajudin NDA.

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« Reply #103 on: May 28, 2024, 03:24:08 pm »
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Where we’re at so far:

1. The Manhattan district attorney has made up a property right supposedly vested in the “voting public” to politically damaging information about candidates. This is important on “intent to defraud” because there is no fraud unless there is a deceptive scheme to deprive someone of some property right.

2. Bragg has made up his own version of federal campaign finance law in which any expense which is intended to influence the outcome of the election — no matter whether the expense would have existed independent of the campaign — is a campaign expenditure that triggers FECA expenditure limits and reporting requirements. That is not the law, but Brad Smith was not permitted to testify and explain the law.

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Jonathan Turley inside court: Prosecution team dismisses Cohen admitting he stole from Trump

Steinglass just dismissed Cohen's admitted to grand larceny and is justifying Cohen selling merchandise and making money on Trump. "You can't blame him" because he has only this connection to sell. He is portraying Cohen like he is selling goods on the street to support his struggling family in their multimillion dollar Trump condo. His "struggles" amounts to earning millions in attacking Trump.

Now ...Steinglass is belittling his past perjury. He says Cohen has a little problem with taking responsibility. That is what the prosecutors are offering to excuse lying to the courts, Congress, his family, this client, and virtually every creature that has walked or crawled on the face of the Earth. So Steinglass, a prosecutor, is dismissing grand larceny, serial perjury, and other offenses.

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« Reply #105 on: May 28, 2024, 03:27:12 pm »
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ADA Steinglass continuing to ramble through the calls that GLOAT Michael Cohen made between himself and Pecker, Davidson, Dylan Howard and others.

My note: still nothing in regard to Donald Trump’s direct connection.
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« Reply #106 on: May 28, 2024, 03:28:06 pm »
Yes..if found guilty he will be taken into custody...it's up to the judge..
IF found guilty .... God help us. Any conservative, anyone voting GOP or anyone speaking out against the establishment could wind up tangled in a similar scenario.


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« Reply #107 on: May 28, 2024, 03:48:21 pm »
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Prosecution says there’s a ‘mountain of evidence’ to convict Trump

Prosector Joshua Steinglass says there is a "mountain of evidence" to convict former President Donald Trump in his closing arguments Monday.

Steinglass said that Trump's ex-lawer Michael Cohen had a day of reckoning, put his family first, came clean in describing facts of this case for 6 years. Steinglass said he testified before Congress in 2019, that he apologized to American people.

Steinglass added that the question for the jury is not whether they like Cohen, but if he has useful info for this case. “He was in the best position to know because he was the defendant’s right hand," Steinglass said.

He added that the defense wants to make the case about Cohen, but argued that it isn’t. That’s a deflection, Steinglass says, adding that the defense had Cohen on cross-examination for 3 days, but only asked 1 hour of question related to case.

This case is about Trump and if he made false business records to cover up election conspiracy, he continued.

Cohen is “like a tour guide through the physical evidence.” As insider, Cohen could connect dots, Steinglass argued.

Fox News' Maria Paronich contributed to this update.
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Andy McCarthy inside court: Prosecution 'harping' on 'not admissible' evidence in closing arguments

Steinglass is now making offensive use of David Pecker’s non-prosecution agreement. He is highlighting it, showing it on the screen, harping on it. Under these circumstances, how could Merchan’s bland instruction that the non-pros agreement is not admissible against Trump have any impact on the jury? The jury has to think that if this evidence wasn’t important, the judge wouldn’t have let us hear it again and again and again.

-- Andy McCarthy, former assistant U.S. attorney and FNC contributor
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Trey Gowdy inside court: At what point could there be a due process violation
 At what point does it become a due process violation to not know the crime, the elements, etc of that other crime, the jurisdiction to prosecute that crime? At least with other "additional crime" statutes many of those "additional" crimes are serially listed.

--Trey Gowdy, “Sunday Night in America” host and former federal prosecutor
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Andy McCarthy inside court: DA Bragg 'proving and arguing uncharged conduct'

Manhattan DA Bragg [is] proving and arguing “uncharged conduct.” But understand, Bragg claims it’s not uncharged because the business records felony statute calls for showing the defendant intended to conceal or commit “another crime.” So Bragg would say the Sajudin and McDougal NDAs are not uncharged conduct; they are part of the “conspiracy to influence the 2016 election by violating federal campaign law” which is the “other crime” referred to in the indictment.

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 Pecker and Cohen are "helping Mr. Trump get elected by squelching the Karen McDougal story.” Again, it’s not illegal to help Trump get elected by persuading KM, including by paying her money, not to go public with her story. Why is that not illegal? Because the obligation to pay McDougal does not arise out of the campaign (the way, say, polling costs or get-out-the-vote costs arise out of the campaign). Paying KM is a private expenditure to prevent embarrassment to Trump; it happens to have come up during the campaign because that gave McDougal leverage. But she could have threatened to go public for reasons having nothing to do with the campaign, and Trump would have had an incentive to pay her even if he wasn’t a political candidate.

… But in this NY courtroom, the federal definition of what a campaign expenditure is makes no difference because Bragg is making up his own federal campaign law.

--Andrew McCarthy, former assistant U.S. attorney and FNC contributor
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« Reply #108 on: May 28, 2024, 03:51:30 pm »
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Trey Gowdy inside court: Defense's 'conundrum' over what to object to in prosecution's closing args

Uncharged misconduct being argued to the jury with impunity.  But the conundrum is if you object and are overruled the jury pays more attention. You look like you are bothered or hurt by something.  Bad rulings prevent future objections.  But if the defense does object it should be a speaking objection so at least the jury knows what is going on.

Eg. Objection Your Honor, nowhere is any of this charged against our client, nowhere.

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Andy McCarthy inside court: Clinton campaign "catch-and-kill" scheme not treated as campaign expense

What is amazing about all this (among other things) is that Trump’s opponent in the 2016 election was Hillary Clinton. In the 1992, Hillary was a key participant in the Bill Clinton campaign’ catch-and-kill scheme — the Clinton campaign sought out women who claimed to have affairs with Bill Clinton so they could either buy them off or destroy their credibility … none of which was treated as campaign expenditures under federal law.

-- Andrew McCarthy, former assistant U.S. attorney and FNC contributor

What if you don't pay to "kill" the information?  What if you just do what most politicians do which is swap out favors with reporters?  "You sit on this story and I'll be a source for you"?  Happens daily on Capitol Hill. 

-- Trey Gowdy, “Sunday Night in America” host and former federal prosecutor
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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #109 on: May 28, 2024, 03:52:28 pm »
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Secret Michael Cohen, Trump recording ‘unequivocally shows’ hush money scheme: prosecutors
By Kyle Schnitzer

Manhattan prosecutor Joshua Steinglass said a secret recording of Michael Cohen and Donald Trump speaking about covering up the Karen McDougal story was "nothing short of jaw dropping"

"This recording is nothing short of jaw dropping," Steinglass said.

He said that Trump had a "cavalier wiliness" to hide the payoff with the former Playboy playmate.

"The recording shows the defendant’s cavalier wiliness to hide this payoff. He knew how much AMI paid for the McDougal deal," Steinglass said, urging the jury to play the recording at a louder volume during their deliberations.

"You can play this many times and as loudly as you want to hear Mr. Trump say 150 on this tape. It’s your decision what the tape says," Steinglass said, adding that it "unequivocally shows a presidential candidate" actively engaging in the scheme.

Trump could be heard asking for a Diet Coke during the recording.
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« Reply #110 on: May 28, 2024, 03:53:41 pm »
Prosecutors say they need 4 more hours.... 9999hair out0000
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« Reply #111 on: May 28, 2024, 03:54:27 pm »
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Merchan asks if now is a good time to take a break. ADA Steinglass agrees.

Jury is temporarily dismissed.

When asked, the ADA says he’s a third of the way through his summation.

By my math, we are looking at another 3.5-4 hours of Closing Arguements, for a total of 5-6 hours of Closing Arguements by the Soros funded Prosecution.
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« Reply #112 on: May 28, 2024, 04:03:40 pm »
Wonder if the lawfaring dim slimes realize that Trump's poll numbers actually might go up, if convicted?
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« Reply #113 on: May 28, 2024, 04:05:05 pm »
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Jonathan Turley: Prosecutors only one-third of the way through closing args, 'yikes'

The prosecutors just said that they are only a third the way through. Yikes. It that is true we are looking at four more hours. The final judgment could be accomplished in half that time.

-- Jonathan Turley, constitutional law attorney and FNC contributor

The court took a 10-minute break late Monday afternoon.
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« Reply #114 on: May 28, 2024, 04:07:21 pm »
What's the point of going so long?

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« Reply #115 on: May 28, 2024, 04:16:24 pm »
What's the point of going so long?
Every day, every hour, and every minute, they keep Trump pinned down in that 'monkey circus' court is a win for them. It increases their ultimate payoff by Soros, Biden, and the DNC. Dragging this nonsense out for another week would be a huge win for them. And since Merchan is big part of the prosecution, they can probably do it.
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« Reply #116 on: May 28, 2024, 04:16:38 pm »
Two lawyers on jury could lead to acquittal or hung jury: Leo Terrell

Civil rights attorney and Fox News contributor Leo Terrell argued the prosecution team is trying to portray its star witness Michael Cohen as a "criminal Robin Hood," while noting the two lawyers on the jury could lead to an acquittal or hung jury.

"He's portraying Michael Cohen as a criminal Robin Hood," Terrell said on Fox News to host Sandra Smith of prosecutor Joshua Steinglass.

"All our legal experts, we have to address one key issue: There's two lawyers on that jury, Sandra, and they're going to neutralizes this unfairness exhibited by the judge, and this far range discretion by the prosecution. Those two lawyers not only have a ethical obligation to evaluate the facts, but they have an ethical obligation to make sure fairness takes place. And I'm telling you, unlike any other trial, you have two lawyers in there, and those two lawyers if they do the right thing, they'll see through this judge. They'll see through the politics, and they'll do the right thing. Those two lawyers are the key to a acquittal or a hung jury."

Terrell's comments come as the prosecution team continues its closing arguments Tuesday, which they said will last hours longer.
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« Reply #117 on: May 28, 2024, 04:18:50 pm »
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ADA Steinglass now playing Trump’s apology video for the Access Hollywood tape. Trump relates his “locker room talk” to “Bill Clinton doing far worse, and Hillary covering up for it.”

Key point to remember: The ADA cannot actually play the Access Hollywood tape for the jury, so this is the closest thing they can do for the jury.

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ADA Steinglass: “Hope Hicks testified that Mr. Trump thought this was not a good development for the campaign, but that it could be spun as ‘Locker room talk’”.

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Steinglass starts immediately with the “grab them by the genitals” Access Hollywood moment in the Trump Campaign.

ADA siting a 10/7/16 email from the WaPo to Hope Hicks.

ADA says: “The video was vulgar.”
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« Reply #118 on: May 28, 2024, 04:19:23 pm »
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My note: Steinglass knows he’s lost the jury, and he’s trying to get them back not by trying to legally prove the case, but by trying to bring up the salacious Access Hollywood tape, which has NOTHING to do with any of the charges that the Soros funded prosecution has brought.
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« Reply #119 on: May 28, 2024, 04:19:39 pm »
Out of curiosity why is it that the defense had to present their closing arguments first and the prosecution presents their arguments lastly? Obviously the last words that the jurors hear will have a more lasting impression on their minds.

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Andy McCarthy inside court: Prosecution taking 'several minutes' to establish undisputed matters

We’ve already had several minutes on the Access Hollywood tape. The only relevance of the tape is to show that the NDA payment to Stormy Daniels a little over 2 weeks later. But there is no doubt about that. No one doubts that the Access Hollywood tape gave Trump and Cohen additional incentive to pay Daniels. Steinglass is thus taking several minutes to establish something that is not in dispute. That is why this is taking so long.

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Jonathan Turley inside court: Prosecution turns to 'Access Hollywood' tape
 Steinglass is now getting into the Access Hollywood tape. Steinglass is using the issue to bring in statements from Chris Cuomo and others that Trump was finished politically. He is justifying the introduction as an example of why they had to do a catch and kill move on McDougal and Daniels. The problem with this line is that Trump had long been criticized for his extramarital relationship. After the Access Hollywood tape, that view was reinforced and fixed in the minds of many. Indeed, many were not surprised by the existence of an alleged affair. In this way, the tape cuts both ways. It blew up in the middle of the campaign and Trump weathered it. He did so because voters did not appear to view it as determinative on their votes.

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« Reply #121 on: May 28, 2024, 04:32:25 pm »
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ADA Steinglass now talking about which business records GLOAT Michael Cohen violated. He says that what Cohen did in opening the account was a lie, because he couldn’t say that he was opening an account to pay off a pornstar.

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ADA Steinglass going through text messages between GLOAT Michael Cohen and Pecker, as well as Davidson.

It looks from my vantage point that two of the jurors may have temporarily dozed off in the last couple minutes.
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« Reply #122 on: May 28, 2024, 04:35:56 pm »
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'Access Hollywood' tape was a  'Category 5 Hurricane' to Trump: prosecutors

The "Access Hollywood" tape was like a "Category 5 hurricane" to Trump and was "vulgar, to say the least," Manhattan prosecutor Joshua Steinglass said.

"Hope Hicks told you that the news was so explosive that it eclipsed the coverage of a Category 4 Hurricane," Steinglass said.

"So I guess it was a Category 5 hurricane."

Steinglass was referencing former Trump aide Hope Hicks' testimony when she claimed the infamous "Access Hollywood" tape dominated the news — making people forget about Hurricane Matthew, a Category 4 storm that hit Haiti and Cuba before making landfall in South Carolina on Oct. 8, 2016, the same date the "Access Hollywood" tape was made public.
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« Reply #123 on: May 28, 2024, 04:40:53 pm »
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Jonathan Turley inside court: Prosecution 'laboriously' going through 'mind-numbing' detail

 The prosecution is going through mind-numbing messages to show how the settlement was arranged. Again, it is proving, laboriously, something that is not much in debate. The NDA was cut. It was meant to kill a bad story. The problem is that Merchan has allowed the prosecutors to claim that all of this is unlawful under election laws, which it is not.

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« Reply #124 on: May 28, 2024, 04:56:07 pm »
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Kerri Urbahn slams Trump’s NY trial: ‘Pretty disgraceful’

Fox News legal editor appeared on The Story from outside the Manhattan courtroom Monday, calling the N.Y. v Trump case "pretty disgraceful," as closing arguments were underway.

"We're finally finding out what the underlying crime is halfway through the closing argument. I mean, that's pretty disgraceful just as far as fundamental notions of due process," Urbahn said.

"In this country, the accused has the right to know what they're being accused of. These are fundamental concepts enshrined in the 5th and 6th amendment of our constitution. And yet here we are learning, basically on the fly, what exactly the prosecution has been doing for all of these weeks," she said.

"As far the election law violation is concerned, you know, keep in mind, it seems like they're really pointing to a federal election law crime. How they're doing that is unclear to all of us considering we're not in federal court," Urbahn added.

"This is not their jurisdiction," Urbahn said, noting that Justice Department declined to bring the case.

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Trey Gowdy inside court: Long closing arguments risk being boring and condescending
The reason this closing is longer than "In Search of Lost Time" is because the prosecutor is the records custodian for ATT. This has to be tedious and boring for the jury. Do it as a narrative, not a line by line exercise.

Juries are fully capable of drawing the same inferences the rest of humanity draws. They do not need to be spoon fed minutiae. In fact, juries like making some steps and leaps themselves. Otherwise it risks being simultaneously boring and condescending.

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 Steinglass just basically testified that Trump had to have known the requirements for opening a bank account and that Cohen would have to give a purpose for opening the account. The purpose of this argument is to attribute to Trump the fact that Cohen had opened the account through an LLC to avoid having his name attached to the NDA. I do not believe there is any evidence in the record about what Trump knew about the mechanics of bank accounts. Steinglass is asking jury to assume a level of knowledge there is no evidence he has about how Cohen opened the account. Steinglass basically said: Trump is a savvy businessman so he must have known.

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« Reply #125 on: May 28, 2024, 04:56:48 pm »
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Manhattan prosector Joshua Steinglass said that Trump's "primary concern" was the election and not his family when he decided the payoff Stormy Daniels 10 years after their alleged sexual encounter.

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ADA Steinglass tells Merchan that now is a good time to break.

Merchan thanks the jury for making childcare arrangements to stay with us late.

Jury leaves, Merchan says: I was watching the jurors, they look pretty alert to me. So I think I’m going to try to finish this out tonight.
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« Reply #127 on: May 28, 2024, 05:01:31 pm »
Well look at the bright side...

How are politicians, much less Democrats going to manage staying out of prison under this standard of "election interference"...

Yeah, you're right... That standard will never be applied to Democrats...

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ADA Steinglass tells Merchan that now is a good time to break.

Merchan thanks the jury for making childcare arrangements to stay with us late.

Jury leaves, Merchan says: I was watching the jurors, they look pretty alert to me. So I think I’m going to try to finish this out tonight.

IOW he's reading the jury and pretty certain he's going to get a conviction.

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We’re retracing the same ground, but Steinglass gets animated saying David Pecker’s testimony proves beyond any doubt that Trump was in on the Karen McDougal NDA deal. Yes — that would be a big deal if the NDA were a crime.

It is, however, only a crime in this courtroom, where an NDA = a FECA crime. And note, there is no evidence in the record that, if the NDAs were campaign expenditures, there would have been any obligation to report them publicly prior to the election. There is no doubt that the Stormy NDA, which was very late before Election Day, would not have had to be reported prior to the election.

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We’re up to 4 days before the election, when WSJ reported on the McDougal payment.

My question (and I’d be asking it if I got to address the jury last): Doesn’t the WSJ reporting blow up the prosecution’s theory of the case. Steinglass is arguing that Trump was desperate to suppress the Stormy story because, if it had come out, Hillary would have been elected. But in reality, the McDougal story did come out, only days after the Stormy NDA, right on the eve of the election, and it did not affect the election result in the slightest.

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« Reply #130 on: May 28, 2024, 05:07:29 pm »
This entire circus is not now and never has been about 'justice'. And the whole thing is only tangentially related to getting a guilty verdict. The primary mission of the Democrat persecution is to bring up ten year old salacious stories and to keep Trump from campaigning.

If they get a verdict of guilty, that would be a bonus for them. But the primary goal to interfere with Trump's election schedule and to sully Trump with rumors and innuendo from a decade ago has already been achieved.

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Oh jeeeez I'm cross-eyed now

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We may be here for a while as jurors are willing to stay as late as 8 p.m., the judge says.

We'll be back in a few minutes.
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Donald J. Trump, the 45th POTUS and the leading candidate to become the 47th POTUS has reentered the courtroom.

The Soros funded DA’s office including Alvin Bragg, Matt Colangelo, and Steinglass are present.

Waiting on the “Honorable” “Judge” Merchan, and the jury.
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No matter what happens, the Democrats consider it a win already.

I think they must be questioning the strategy at this point, given how it has made them look like  Fascists.

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I think they must be questioning the strategy at this point, given how it has made them look like  Fascists.
I doubt that they really care or even consider that it has made them look like Fascists; they'd probably consider it a badge of honor.

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Prosecutors in the NY v. Trump trial are taking the strategy of throwing "nonsense after nonsense" at the jury amid closing arguments in an effort to make it appear they "proved their case," New York litigator Rebecca Rose Woodland said.

"I think their strategy is: throw a lot at the jury, make the closing seem so long, that the jury will start to say, 'well, that closing was so long, they must have had a lot to say they must have proved their case,'" Woodland said on Fox News.

The prosecution team's closing arguments have continued since 2 p.m. Tuesday. The prosecution team said they were about a third of the way through their argument at about 4 p.m.

"They seem to be just coming up with nonsense after nonsense and trying to justify some of this extraneous information as evidence in an election interference case. It is not. So I think that you've had a great point, it's just the prosecution really grasping at straws. Again, trying to either confuse the jury or make it appear as if they're very important because they're going on for such a long time. They have so much to say. But what they're saying doesn't have merit," she continued.
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« Reply #137 on: May 28, 2024, 05:30:53 pm »
I doubt that they really care or even consider that it has made them look like Fascists; they'd probably consider it a badge of honor.


Antifa stormtrooper boots. Democrats are proud fascists. If Democrats were worried about being perceived as fascists, they would have changed direction years ago. Democrats are creating a Fourth Reich in every single detail (even if they are too stupid to know it).
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ADA Steinglass continues about the January 16, 2017 meeting that GLOAT Cohen claims happened with President-Elect Trump and Allan Weiselberg, the “gross-it-up” meeting.

Remember, this is where President-Elect Trump supposedly agreed to the plan that he would pay out an additional $210-$290K that he had no obligation to pay out.
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ADA Steinglass says that the handwritten notes allegedly by Weiselberg, per GLOAT Michael Cohen, are the smoking gun!

Remember, Weiselberg was never called by the Soros funded prosecution to testify, so we again are taking the word of serial liar, Michael Cohen.

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Steinglass said that we don’t have to prove that the defendant made the entry himself but approving the reimbursement scheme is proof of the fraud.

AGAIN, this is believing GLOAT Michael Cohen, that Trump actually agreed to something that would have cost him at least an additional $210,000!
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My note: I have been around President Trump for 25 years, there is NO WAY IN H-E-Double Hockey Sticks that he would approve of a plan that would have cost him an additional $210,000!
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Oh jeeeez I'm cross-eyed now

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We may be here for a while as jurors are willing to stay as late as 8 p.m., the judge says.

This indicates the jury has had enough. LET'S GET THIS CHARADE OVER WITH! NOW! The jury is already done with the prosecutions dog-and-pony show.
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« Reply #142 on: May 28, 2024, 05:41:33 pm »
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Trump rages on Truth Social as closing arguments continue in 'hush money' trial: 'BORING!'

As closing arguments resumed in his "hush money" case on Tuesday, Trump remained active on social media.

In a pair of all-caps, single-word posts, the former president took to Truth Social just after jurors took a short break at 5 pm.

"BORING!" Trump wrote in one of the posts.

"FILIBUSTER!" he wrote in a second Truth.
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« Reply #143 on: May 28, 2024, 05:42:08 pm »
Former President Donald Trump summed up the prosecution team's lengthy closing arguments in one word.

"BORING!" Trump posted on Truth Social Tuesday.

The prosecution team began its closing arguments around 2 p.m., and said ahead of 4 p.m. they were only about one-third of the way through the remarks.

Experts weighed in that prosecutors are dragging out the arguments in a bid to make it appear they "proved their case."

"I think their strategy is: throw a lot at the jury, make the closing seem so long, that the jury will start to say, 'well, that closing was so long, they must have had a lot to say they must have proved their case,'" New York lawyer Rebecca Rose Woodland said on Fox News Tuesday.

Former White House Deputy Chief of Staff and Fox News Contributor Karl Rove added that the prosecutors' case "looks like a stretch" while Americans have rallied around Trump.

"This is supposedly a federal election law violation, the Federal Election Commission looked at it and passed, the Department of Justice took a pass on it," he said. "This is supposedly the federal election law is being violated in a way that somehow ties it into a New York law regarding business records. It looks like a stretch."

"It's been put into effect by a highly partisan DA and it's frankly caused people to rally to the former president's defense," Rove added. "He's raised a lot of money for his campaign off it to pay his legal bills and he's gone up in the polls since last August when all these indictments came down. Now some of them are more serious, the classified documents case, I think, is a serious issue. But none of those other issues are likely to be heard now until the end of the election."
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« Reply #144 on: May 28, 2024, 05:44:05 pm »
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Trey Gowdy: Prosecution continues 'laborious' closing argument

Laborious chronology continues with Allen Weisselberg as a central figure but just not a witness in the actual trial.Ordinarily the decision not to call a witness can lead to inferences being drawn against the prosecution but when a defense does put up a case - as it did here - is that presumption voided or is it burden shifting to ask why the defense didn't call him themselves?

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Fox News host Howard Kurtz took aim at the "selective" measures the prosecution took as it sought to convince the jury of its case against former President Donald Trump on Tuesday, insisting that former porn actress Stormy Daniels "lied for a long time" as it relates to her alleged encounter with Trump.

"When it comes to the prosecution, also highly selective," said Kurtz, who hosts Fox News Channel's "MediaBuzz" on Sundays. "Josh Steinglass, the prosecutor [said] they tried to shame Stormy ... he said she never changed her story. That's preposterous. She lied for a long time after getting the $130,000 from Michael Cohen."

Describing the case against Trump as "very thin," Kurtz also took aim at the defense's "selective" measures in trying to make their case to jurors.

"I think the defense absolutely scored some points, but ... Todd Blanche started out by saying Trump and Stormy have repeatedly denied that this took place. That was to please the client, I believe, but obviously Stormy now testifies that the alleged encounter in 2006 very much did happen," Kurtz said.

Kurtz's comments come as the prosecution team continues its closing arguments, which they said could last hours longer.
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« Reply #145 on: May 28, 2024, 05:45:16 pm »
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Trump rages on Truth Social as closing arguments continue in 'hush money' trial: 'BORING!'

As closing arguments resumed in his "hush money" case on Tuesday, Trump remained active on social media.

In a pair of all-caps, single-word posts, the former president took to Truth Social just after jurors took a short break at 5 pm.

"BORING!" Trump wrote in one of the posts.

"FILIBUSTER!" he wrote in a second Truth.

It is beyond me why Trump does things like that. It just adds more stench across the board.

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Turley and Gowdy inside court: Defense denied chance to respond to 'sweeping claims' due to NY law

The problem is that, under New York law, the defense was forced to go first unlike most jurisdictions. That denied the defense the chance to respond to such sweeping claims. It is huge advantage to the prosecution.

-- Jonathan Turley, constitutional law attorney and FNC contributor

Most lawyers would trade children for last argument!

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Once again this smacks of provocation…does not mean they won’t do it, but it was leaked on purpose.

From Colin Rugg this a.m. posted on X:
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JUST IN: Secret Service has reportedly met with local jail officials in New York to make possible preparations for Donald Trump behind bars. 
 
Insane. 
 
According to CBS News, a New York corrections source made the revelation. 
 
As a former president, Donald Trump is entitled to Secret Service protection for his entire life even if he is sentenced to jail.

"Behind bars, corrections officers would in turn be responsible for protecting those agents assigned to Trump," CBS reported.

CBS predicts that Trump could serve time at Rikers Island Jail Complex.

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« Reply #148 on: May 28, 2024, 06:00:47 pm »
Stall for time synonyms that belongs to phrasal verbs
Obviously Biden and the Democrats want the trial to last as long as possible.
But nobody wants the trial to continue for another week or weeks, more than Merchan.
Mechan knows that the second this trial ends, his 15 minutes and his career ends with it.
Reminds me of Fauci.
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McCarthy and Gowdy inside court: Prosecution describing 'additional crime' without evidence

Steinglass is now proving another potential “other crime” — tax fraud. He points out that even though the structuring of Cohen’s compensation meant more taxes than necessary would be paid, the judge will instruct you (the jury) that the preparation of false tax docs is a crime even if the state is not shorted out of any money. Theory is that by describing a reimbursement (a nontaxable event) as taxable income in a Form 1099, Trump caused the preparation of false tax documents. That is, alternative theory of “other crime” is that Trump falsified business records to conceal his commission of a tax fraud crime.

-- Andy McCarthy, former assistant U.S. attorney and FNC contributor

Prosecutor describes yet another "additional crime" without the elements, the code section, the witnesses etc.  It's just a potpourri of other crimes. A buffet of sorts where the jury can choose without even hearing what the elements of those crimes are.

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