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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #200 on: May 29, 2024, 09:29:06 am »
Secret Service met with Riker’s Island to prep for possible Trump jailing – report
May 29, 2024 | Chris Donaldson

The odds are so stacked against former President Donald J. Trump in the Stormy Daniels sham trial that the Secret Service is already making arrangements for his imprisonment.

According to a report from CBS News, representatives from the USSS have “met with local jail officials” to prepare for the possibility that rabidly partisan Judge Juan Merchan could order him to be locked up if the jury comes back with a conviction.

“It’s a possibility that officials in state and federal agencies have begun preparing for, according to a New York corrections source, who said the Secret Service has met with local jail officials,” the outlet reported.

The “local jail” for New York City is the notoriously violent Riker’s Island.

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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #201 on: May 29, 2024, 09:32:05 am »
Back in the USSR...  you don't how lucky are boy....    Back in the USSR, 

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« Reply #202 on: May 29, 2024, 09:50:07 am »
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I am back in the courtroom for the instructions.
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« Reply #203 on: May 29, 2024, 09:52:39 am »
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I am back in the courtroom for the instructions.

I'm surprised that Marchan the crooked Columbian judge hasn't banned the likes of Turley and Derschowitz from the courtroom.   They aren't aligned with his narrative and intent.
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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #204 on: May 29, 2024, 10:14:53 am »
11 minutes ago
Trump enters courtroom without speaking, Don Jr. by his side
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Donald Trump opted for no morning speech ahead of jury instructions and the start of deliberations in his hush money criminal trial. He was accompanied by his team of attorneys and son Don Jr.

Trump usually gives a few minutes to the cameras each morning before he enters the courtroom, but today he walked directly inside, ignoring shouted questions about whether he's happy with his attorneys and why he doesn't want to talk.

He gave a thumbs-up that turned into a wave before transitioning back into a thumbs-up.
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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #205 on: May 29, 2024, 10:15:14 am »
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Jury instructions to take about an hour: judge
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Justice Merchan tells the jury that instructions will take about one hour.
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« Reply #206 on: May 29, 2024, 10:17:20 am »
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The jury of 18 New Yorkers, 12 primary and 6 alternate have entered the courtroom and have been seated.

They will receive jury instructions from Merchan for about the next hour at which point they will then go to deliberate the fate of the 45th President and leading candidate for President, Donald J. Trump.

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Merchan begins by explaining to the jury that he will read the instructions to the jury over the next hour and that they will not receive a written copy of his instructions. Merchan said at any time, he can read back the instructions or in full or part when requested.

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Merchan: “It is not my responsibility to judge the facts here. You have the responsibility to determine whether the defendant is guilty or not guilty.”
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« Reply #207 on: May 29, 2024, 10:19:33 am »
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Merchan now talking about unconscious views and how that can lead to bias. Merchan mentions race, religion, sexual orientation, gender, gender identity as ways which jurors could be bias…what he omitted was POLITICAL BELIEFS!

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Merchan: “In evaluating the evidence, you may evaluate any fact that was proven or any inference that a fact is true.”

Merchan gives an example of not seeing rain overnight but waking up to seeing the ground is wet.
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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #208 on: May 29, 2024, 10:33:43 am »
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Merchan addressing redacted material saying that the jury must not draw any conclusions of what was redacted.

Merchan now listing the limiting instructions and includes David Pecker, and Michael Cohen’s guilty pleas. He says the Jury may not consider the GLOAT’s guilty pleas when deliberating over the defendant’s guilt or innocence.

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The “Honorable Judge” Merchan is now explaining the fundamental principles of our law: the presumption of innocence, the burden of proof and guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. “The people have the burden of proof beyond a reasonable doubt.”

“The defendant never has the burden of proof.”

“The burden of proof never shifts from the people to the defendant.”

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Merchan still explaining reasonable doubt and continues that guilt cannot be proven by speculation.

“If you are not convinced that the defendant is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt of a crime., you must not convict the defendant of a crime.”

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The “Honorable Judge” Merchan says they jury must consider if: “the testimony of the witness plausible and likely to be true or implosible and unlikely to be true?”

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« Reply #209 on: May 29, 2024, 10:34:30 am »
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Merchan says the jury may consider if a witness had a motive to lie and if they had a benefit in their testimony or if they had an interest.

My note: It is obvious that the jury must consider that for both Porn Star Stormy Daniels and GLOAT Michael Cohen.

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Merchan: “The contents of a prior and inconsistent statement is not proof that something happened or did not happen.”

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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #210 on: May 29, 2024, 10:36:37 am »
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Judge tells jury to 'not speculate' about possible Trump sentencing
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Justice Juan Merchan tells the jurors that they "may not speculate about matters related to sentence or punishment."

In other words, the judge will decide Trump's sentence if there is a verdict of guilty.
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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #212 on: May 29, 2024, 10:40:56 am »
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Merchan says he will now instruct on the law. That law is:

Falsifying business records in the first degree, 34 counts
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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #213 on: May 29, 2024, 10:43:53 am »
Merchan told the jury, " You must always find the GUILTY party GUILTY even if you think the GUILTY party is not GUILTY"
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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #214 on: May 29, 2024, 10:44:39 am »
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The “Honorable Judge” mentions motive for the first time.
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« Reply #215 on: May 29, 2024, 10:47:40 am »
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Merchan now talking about New York State Election Law, which the Soros Funded DA has alleged President Trump violated.

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Merchan says you may consider the defendants conduct when trying to determine intent to defraud.
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« Reply #216 on: May 29, 2024, 10:52:57 am »
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As the jury considers this, they must remember that whatever Cohen alleges he did with business records was not until 2017.

President Trump was elected November 8, 2016 and he does NOT have a Time Machine!

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Merchan brings up the Press exemption and explains it to the jury. This is something the jury will consider when discussing David Pecker, of the National Enquirer, dealings with the GLOAT, Michael Cohen.

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Merchan, the “Honorable Judge” is now describing the third law the Soros funded DA attempted to prove President Trump was guilty of: Violation of Tax Laws.
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« Reply #217 on: May 29, 2024, 10:56:49 am »
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Remember the Soros funded DA is alleging that President Trump is guilty of violating tax laws by paying TOO MUCH in taxes because of the alleged “gross it up” scheme.

They have gone full circle from Hillary’s 2016 campaign (fireworks available at a deep discount).

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Merchan, the “Honorable Judge” is now listing the 34 counts that the Soros funded DA’s office has attempted to prove that President Trump violated.

Individual invoices and checks each have their individual counts.
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« Reply #218 on: May 29, 2024, 10:58:12 am »
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Jonathan Turley inside court: Judge delivers coup de grace instruction to jurors

Merchan just delivered the coup de grace instruction. He said that there is no need to agree on what occurred. They can disagree on what the crime was among the three choices. Thus, this means that they could split 4-4-4 and he will still treat them as unanimous...

-- Jonathan Turley, constitutional law attorney and FNC contributor
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Jonathan Turley: Judge instructs first count of falsifying business records

Merchan has instructed that the first count of falsifying business records in the first degree must show that Trump made or causes a false entry to be made. Intent means conscious or purpose to defraud. Intent does not require an intent to defraud any particular person or entry but a general intent to defraud.

Merchan said that the crime being committed was the NY election law by “unlawful means.” However, that “unlawful means” is shown when there is a showing of intent to cause actions or the performance of conduct.

-- Jonathan Turley, constitutional law attorney and FNC contributor

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Judge reminds jurors where burden of proof rests

Judge Merchan made clear to jurors the circumstances in which they can find former President Donald Trump guilty.

The judge made clear that the burden of proof is on the people, or the prosecution in the case, and not on Trump, the defendant. Merchan also noted that Trump not testifying in the case is not to be used as a factor, telling jurors that the defendant is not the one has has to prove their own innocence and that the burden of proof never shift from the people to the defendant.

Merchan went on to explain the legal concept of burden of proof, noting that the law does not require the prosecution to prove guilt beyond all reasonable doubt. Each juror is responsible for deciding whether they are convinced beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant is guilty or not, the judge said.

THe judge also reminded jurors that a verdict cannot rest on speculation.
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Jonathan Turley inside court: Judge tells jury they can't convict based 'solely' on Cohen testimony

Merchan instructed that Cohen is an accomplice and, as such, there is a special concern over such testimony particularly when there are benefits for testimony. There must be corroborating evidence. In other words, you may not convict the defendant solely on the basis of the testimony of Cohen.

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« Reply #220 on: May 29, 2024, 11:01:42 am »
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Jurors need "corroborating" evidence beyond the testimony of Michael Cohen to convict Trump of felonies, Judge Merchan said Wednesday.

Cohen, a convicted felon, is considered an "accomplice" under the law, meaning that jurors cannot convict Trump "solely" based on his testimony.

"Even if you find the testimony of Michael Cohen to be believable, you cannot convict, unless there is other corroborating evidence," the judge instructed panelists.
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« Reply #221 on: May 29, 2024, 11:06:27 am »
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Can someone tell me the crime(s) Trump committed?
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« Reply #222 on: May 29, 2024, 11:08:21 am »
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Judge Merchan to jury:  You must decide whether a witness told the truth or testified falsely - or was mistaken.
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« Reply #224 on: May 29, 2024, 11:10:41 am »
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Merchan, the “Honorable Judge” now giving the jury the definitions for falsifying business records and intent. He continues that the people must determine if the defendant had the intent and repeats that You must decide whether there was intent and You may consider the persons conduct, what did the person do or say, was that result the natural consequence of that conduct.

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Merchan says: “Knowledge of a conspiracy does not make the defendant a co-conspirator”. He continues that the defendant much intend to participate in the conspiracy.
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« Reply #225 on: May 29, 2024, 11:15:53 am »
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Judge details to jury each action prosecutors must be required to prove in order find Trump guilty

Judge Juan Merchan told the jury that in order to find the defendant guilty, the prosecutors are required to prove:

1. On or about Feb. 14, 2017, fromer president Donald Trump personally made or caused a false entry in business enterprise, specifically invoice from his ex-lawyer Michael Cohen

2. Trump did so with intent to commit another crime or intent to conceal another crime. That leaves 33 remaining counts – each for falsifying business records.  The only difference is different business record or date. The jury can ask to repeat the law in its entirely as many times.

2nd count relates to voucher kept or remained by the Trump Organization. 3rd count relates to voucher kept or remained by Trump Org.

--4th is check

--5th – invoice from Cohen from March 2017

--6th – entry in general ledger for DJT Trust bearing voucher

--7th – check #000147

--8th – invoice from Cohen April 13, 2017

--9th - entry in general ledger for DJT

--10th – check from June 2017

--11th - invoice from Cohen from May 2017

--12th – entry in general ledger for Trump in May 2017

--13th – Check

--14th – invoice from Cohen

--15th – June general ledge entry

--16th – check & check stub from June 2017

--17th count invoice from Micahel Cohen

--18th entry from general ledger

--19th pertains to Donald J. Trump check and check stub

-- 20th count invoice from Michael Cohen

-- 21st count ledger entry for Donald J Trump

-- 22nd count pertains to check

-- 23rd count pertains to voice related to Cohen

-- 24th count entry in general ledger for Trump

-- 25th count check and check stub

-- 26th count invoice from Cohen

-- 27th count

-- 28th count check and check stub

-- 29th invoice from Michael Cohen

-- 30th count entry in general ledger of Trump

-- 31st count check and check stub

-- 32nd count invoice from Cohen

-- 33rd count entry in general ledger for Trump

-- 34th count also falsifying business records in the first degree, check

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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #226 on: May 29, 2024, 11:27:51 am »
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Merchan tells the jury they will deliberate today until 4:30pm, on other days they may work later but it won’t be later than 6pm.

The “Honorable Judge” is done with his instructions and he asks the lawyers to approach his bench.

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Merchan explains more rules to the jury:

“While you are here in the courthouse, you may not leave the jury room during deliberations.”

The “Honorable Judge” continues: No cell phones, don’t discuss the case outside the jury room, no talking about the case with a court officer, the jury must communicate with the judge by writing so as to avoid misunderstandings.

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Merchan now waxing poetically about motive: “Let me now explain motive and the difference between motive and intent.”

The “Honorable Judge” has a silky smooth voice, he reminds me of a radio disk jockey on a smooth jazz station. (To all those radio disk jockey’s on smooth jazz stations, this is not a comparison of principle…I’m sure you have more).

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Merchan back on Violating Tax Laws.

The “Honorable Judge” says it is unlawful to file false tax returns, even if it does not result in underpayment of taxes.
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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #227 on: May 29, 2024, 11:30:19 am »
Lydia Hu inside court: Jury instruction makes key Cohen testimony 'very important'

Merchan instructed jury on knowledge of a conspiracy. He said, mere knowledge of a conspiracy does not make defendant a co-conspirator. Prosecutors must prove intent. Also, being present with others when they form a conspiracy does not mean that the defendant is a part of the conspiracy.

This instruction makes the Cohen’s testimony about calling Trump to advise of Stormy NDA issues, including the phone call to Schiller/Trump in Oct 2016, very important. If juror believes Cohen was advising Trump specifically of the NDA, getting approval and “sign off” from Trump to set up the bank account and LLC, the juror could maybe find intent on behalf of Trump.

Otherwise, evidence shows Trump was present at the 2015 Trump tower meeting with Pecker and Cohen when Pecker says he would be “eyes and ears” and Trump was a part of the TT meeting with Allen Weisselberg and Cohen as they talked about the $420,000 payments; in both cases, perhaps a juror could conclude Trump was present without taking action, so had no intent.

This illustrates why Blanche made a big production in court to cast doubt on Cohen’s version of the October 2016 call, that perhaps it was about prank calls not about Stormy at all. If he’s lying about that phone call, is he lying about them all?

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Jonathan Turley inside the court: Resurrecting dead misdemeanor 'so circular as to produce vertigo'

So a dead misdemeanor for falsifying business records was zapped back into life by alleging that under NY election law 17-152 it was done to influence the election by the unlawful means of falsification of business records. It is so circular as to produce vertigo. So the jury finds some documents were falsified to use the unlawful means of falsifying other documents. That is only one of three possible crimes and the jury does not have to agree on which was the basis for their conviction.

-- Jonathan Turley, constitutional law attorney and FNC contributor
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Cohen’s guilty plea is ‘inadmissible evidence’ against Trump: Andy McCarthy

Fox News contributor Andy McCarthy joins ‘America’s Newsroom’ with analysis on the N.Y. v. Trump trial ahead of jury deliberations.
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Jonathan Turley inside court: Absence of a witness on media practices 'more and more significant'

The absence of a witness on media practices is becoming more and more significant. Such a witness could have discussed how stories are often killed or planted by campaigns in light of the press exception for common practices by the media. Instead, the prosecutor was allowed to state as a fact what the common practices of the media are in a campaign.

-- Jonathan Turley, constitutional law attorney and FNC contributor
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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #228 on: May 29, 2024, 11:31:07 am »
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Jury begins deliberating in Trump hush money trial

"I'm going to ask you to step out and begin your deliberations," the judge says, as jurors are excused from the room.

The six alternate jurors are asked to step to the side by the judge.




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Judge finishes jury instructions
By Kyle Schnitzer

"That concludes my instructions on the law, counsel please approach," Justice Merchan says.
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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #229 on: May 29, 2024, 11:32:36 am »
Is the verdict in yet?

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« Reply #230 on: May 29, 2024, 11:32:45 am »
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Merchan has asked the 6 alternate jurors to step aside while the 12 primary jurors goes back to deliberate.

The “Honorable Judge” is not excusing them yet, because he says he may need them throughout the process. They will be sequestered in a different area from the 12 primary jurors.
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« Reply #231 on: May 29, 2024, 11:34:51 am »
And it's a wrap ....

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Judge Merchan just told the jury that they do not need unanimity to convict. 4 could agree on one crime, 4 on a different one, and the other 4 on another. He said he would treat 4-4-4 as a unanimous verdict.


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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #232 on: May 29, 2024, 11:36:33 am »
Is the verdict in yet?

LOL...any second now..
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« Reply #233 on: May 29, 2024, 11:37:36 am »
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To convict, jurors must agree that Trump 'conspired' to influence 2016 election with by 'unlawful means'- but don't need to agree on what those 'unlawful means' are

To convict, jurors must unanimously decide that Trump falsified business records with the "intent" to cover up the hush money payout to Cohen, and that the hush money was part of an illegal "conspiracy" to elect Trump in 2016 by what's called "unlawful means," the judge said.

But panelists can take a choose-your-own adventure path to deciding what those "unlawful means" are.

Per the judge, jurors can consider whether the hush money payouts to Stormy Daniels and Karen McDougal breached campaign finance laws, were tax fraud, or whether business records were themselves falsified during that process -- for example, whether Cohen fudged records to create his shell companies that he used for the payoffs.

But they don't have to agree on what those "unlawful means" are.
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« Reply #234 on: May 29, 2024, 11:38:38 am »
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Jury dismissed to begin deliberations

Jury instructions concluded Wednesdsay morning and the jury was dismissed to start deliberations in the unprecedented case against former President Donald Trump -- N.Y. v Trump.

Before the jury was dismissed, both parties held a sidebar with Judge Juan Merchan.

If the jury has a question on law, they will send a note asking to review. The first juror selected is foreperson. Foreperson does not need to the write note or even agree. The foreperson will read the verdict for each of charged accounts.  Jurors will then be polled. Jurors will be given verdict sheet.

The jury may not leave jury room during deliberations.  Lunch will be provided and they must give cell phones to a court officer.  The jury can only deliberate when all gathered together in jury room.

Must discuss case only among selves, no one else, not even court officer.

If they have questions, they will write note to judge.

The plan today is to work until 4:30. The judge is not permitted to have conversations on facts of the case.  No juror can say the vote of any count.

Fox News' Maria Paronich contributed to this update.
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« Reply #235 on: May 29, 2024, 11:39:28 am »
LOL...any second now..

Exactly.  I think most made up their minds a long time ago and the jurors just want this drawn out circus to be over.

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« Reply #236 on: May 29, 2024, 11:39:32 am »
Listening to all of these instructions I would think would become overwhelming or redundant to the jurors.  Sigh.  I can't help but wonder how many have already made up their minds.

As tin foil as it might sound, there's a part of me that believes that the jury pool was "pre-selected" weeks or months earlier.

Think about it...  every other aspect of this thing has been slanted and rigged.
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« Reply #237 on: May 29, 2024, 11:41:13 am »
I find it very odd that the Jurors won't get a copy of the Judge's instructions.  That makes no sense to me at all.
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« Reply #238 on: May 29, 2024, 11:41:26 am »
As tin foil as it might sound, there's a part of me that believes that the jury pool was "pre-selected" weeks or months earlier.

Think about it...  every other aspect of this thing has been slanted and rigged.

Quite possibly -- and that has entered my mind as well.

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« Reply #239 on: May 29, 2024, 11:41:58 am »
I find it very odd that the Jurors won't get a copy of the Judge's instructions.  That makes no sense to me at all.

No it doesn't make sense -- I was thinking the same thing.
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Report: One Juror Appears Sympathetic to Donald Trump

Wendell Husebø 29 May 2024

One juror who sat for six weeks listening to the evidence presented in a Manhattan courtroom against former President Donald Trump reportedly appears sympathetic towards him.

The jury on Wednesday will begin to consider whether or not Trump, beyond a reasonable doubt,  committed a crime of falsifying records to conceal a second crime. Many legal experts believe there is no good case against Trump.

Some legal experts, such as constitutional scholar Jonathan Turley, expect the jury will either render a guilty verdict or produce a hung jury that results in a mistrial.

The prospects of a hung jury could be based on a report of one juror who made “friendly eye contact with Trump from time to time as the jury enters the room and walks right past the defense table.”

Marc Caputo wrote in the Bulwark:

    “There are eight people on that jury who definitely hate Trump. If there’s one person who doesn’t, it’s [this] juror,” said one court attendee who, like others for this story, relayed their observations on condition of anonymity to The Bulwark, which is also protecting the privacy and safety of the juror in question by not disclosing identifying details.

    As the trial has progressed since April 15, these sources relate, this juror has appeared to nod along in seeming accordance with the defense at times. On other occasions, the juror has seemingly reacted favorably to and made eye contact with Trump’s congressional surrogates who began joining him in court in recent weeks.

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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #241 on: May 29, 2024, 11:49:06 am »
Report: One Juror Appears Sympathetic to Donald Trump

Wendell Husebø 29 May 2024

One juror who sat for six weeks listening to the evidence presented in a Manhattan courtroom against former President Donald Trump reportedly appears sympathetic towards him.



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« Reply #242 on: May 29, 2024, 11:51:56 am »
Report: One Juror Appears Sympathetic to Donald Trump

Wendell Husebø 29 May 2024

One juror who sat for six weeks listening to the evidence presented in a Manhattan courtroom against former President Donald Trump reportedly appears sympathetic towards him.

The jury on Wednesday will begin to consider whether or not Trump, beyond a reasonable doubt,  committed a crime of falsifying records to conceal a second crime. Many legal experts believe there is no good case against Trump.

Some legal experts, such as constitutional scholar Jonathan Turley, expect the jury will either render a guilty verdict or produce a hung jury that results in a mistrial.

The prospects of a hung jury could be based on a report of one juror who made “friendly eye contact with Trump from time to time as the jury enters the room and walks right past the defense table.”

Marc Caputo wrote in the Bulwark:

    “There are eight people on that jury who definitely hate Trump. If there’s one person who doesn’t, it’s [this] juror,” said one court attendee who, like others for this story, relayed their observations on condition of anonymity to The Bulwark, which is also protecting the privacy and safety of the juror in question by not disclosing identifying details.

    As the trial has progressed since April 15, these sources relate, this juror has appeared to nod along in seeming accordance with the defense at times. On other occasions, the juror has seemingly reacted favorably to and made eye contact with Trump’s congressional surrogates who began joining him in court in recent weeks.

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They may be favorable towards DJT but I can also see them being pressured to vote the other way so that this horse and pony show can be over and they can be done.  Most of the jurors hate Trump and with this judge I don' think that the defense had a chance in swaying them otherwise.

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« Reply #243 on: May 29, 2024, 11:53:26 am »
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Jury instructions to take about an hour: judge
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Justice Merchan tells the jury that instructions will take about one hour.

An hour?  This is unheard of for a trial where no crime took place.
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« Reply #244 on: May 29, 2024, 11:53:29 am »
$5 says they'll threaten to dox and harass him, unless he gets on board.

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« Reply #245 on: May 29, 2024, 11:56:29 am »
Merchan told the jury, " You must always find the GUILTY party GUILTY even if you think the GUILTY party is not GUILTY"

He might as well have.
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Merchan, the “Honorable Judge” is now describing the third law the Soros funded DA attempted to prove President Trump was guilty of: Violation of Tax Laws.

But that's not true.  The Soros funded DA didn't even bring that up until closing arguments.  There was zero evidence or testimony produced that implicate Trump for tax law violations.
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Merchan back on Violating Tax Laws.

The “Honorable Judge” says it is unlawful to file false tax returns, even if it does not result in underpayment of taxes.

Too bad the prosecution failed to submit into evidence a single example where Trump violated tax laws.
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« Reply #248 on: May 29, 2024, 12:06:01 pm »
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'Mother Theresa could not beat these charges,' Trump says as jury begins deliberating
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"Mother Theresa could not beat these charges," Donald Trump said to reporters in the court hallway just now, shortly after the jury was released from the courtroom to begin deliberating.

"The trial is rigged. The judge is so conflicted, he can't breathe."
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« Reply #249 on: May 29, 2024, 12:07:07 pm »
Is the verdict in yet?

Not yet.  They have to dine on their steak and lobster supper and enjoy a night in their 5-star hotel room first.
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