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General Category => Politics/Government => Topic started by: libertybele on October 23, 2018, 09:41:08 pm
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2,100 mostly unarmed Guard troops on border as Trump vows to send more to stop migrant caravan
On Monday, Trump lashed out at the caravan, calling it an “assault on our country†and vowing to send as many additional troops as necessary to the border to stop them, according to USA Today.
The now estimated 7,000 migrants have reached southern Mexico. They are traveling mostly by foot on a route that originated with about 200 initial migrants seeking to escape gang violence in Honduras.
In April, Defense Secretary Jim Mattis authorized that as many as 4,000 troops could be sent to the border pending approval of participating state governors. The memo allowed for the cost of the deployment to be reimbursed through federal funds, but also limited the National Guard’s role, prohibiting guard forces from interacting with any of the migrants or taking on a law enforcement role.
https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2018/10/23/2000-unarmed-guard-troops-on-border-as-trump-vows-to-send-more-to-stop-migrant-caravan/ (https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2018/10/23/2000-unarmed-guard-troops-on-border-as-trump-vows-to-send-more-to-stop-migrant-caravan/)
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9999hair out0000 is right.
RA or nothing. We need guys with bullets under Regular Army rules. This half-assed shit is how we got here.
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Not looking good at all.
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Not looking good at all.
SSDD. 9999hair out0000
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A great big nothing.
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Well, we have seen this shitshow before and know the drill. If things remain as they are for the next day or so without closing the border and militarizing it - then it will prove what some of us said Trump would be: a lying, empty egomaniacal blowhard with a giant mouth, uncontrollable thumbs and a small weiner all along.
And we will go the way of Europe has with their invasion armies.
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2,100 mostly unarmed Guard troops on border as Trump vows to send more to stop migrant caravan
On Monday, Trump lashed out at the caravan, calling it an “assault on our country†and vowing to send as many additional troops as necessary to the border to stop them, according to USA Today.
The now estimated 7,000 migrants have reached southern Mexico. They are traveling mostly by foot on a route that originated with about 200 initial migrants seeking to escape gang violence in Honduras.
In April, Defense Secretary Jim Mattis authorized that as many as 4,000 troops could be sent to the border pending approval of participating state governors. The memo allowed for the cost of the deployment to be reimbursed through federal funds, but also limited the National Guard’s role, prohibiting guard forces from interacting with any of the migrants or taking on a law enforcement role.
https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2018/10/23/2000-unarmed-guard-troops-on-border-as-trump-vows-to-send-more-to-stop-migrant-caravan/ (https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2018/10/23/2000-unarmed-guard-troops-on-border-as-trump-vows-to-send-more-to-stop-migrant-caravan/)
Um.... well.... ok. This may sound like a stupid question, but here goes.
What, exactly, are the national guard troops supposed to do when the illegal invading hoards push through them and across the border? Why even bother sending them?
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Um.... well.... ok. This may sound like a stupid question, but here goes.
What, exactly, are the national guard troops supposed to do when the illegal invading hoards push through them and across the border? Why even bother sending them?
They are supposed to run away, lest they get beaten like the Mexican polizie. 9999hair out0000
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They are supposed to run away, lest they get beaten like the Mexican polizie. 9999hair out0000
Well at the risk of stating the effing obvious....
this is only going to piss off most Trump-supporting voters. Is this really how it's going to go?
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Do folks here really believe we are going to open fire on unarmed people that will include women and children at the front of the line?
Do folks here really want us to?
I'm sure military strategists have thought this through more clearly than I, but we can do plenty short of this. Off the top of my head, we can create a buffer zone in Mexico and implement, without judicial interference, catch and return.
We have water cannons, tear gas and sonic music, too. We have enough military trucks and/or aircraft with military personnel to take them back to Guatamala.
But use live bullets? No. We are not going to do that.
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Um.... well.... ok. This may sound like a stupid question, but here goes.
What, exactly, are the national guard troops supposed to do when the illegal invading hoards push through them and across the border? Why even bother sending them?
It satisfies the belief in the die-hards that Trump is actually DOING something about it - even though like everything else - it's all Kabuki theater - all for show with nothing permanent beyond the two Judges he got onto SCOTUS.
We are about to once again witness just how feckless, useless and complicit our own government is in facilitating the open-border invasion that both parties want.
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Do folks here really believe we are going to open fire on unarmed people that will include women and children at the front of the line?
...But use live bullets? No. We are not going to do that.
That is exactly what every enemy, Jihadist and terrorist with a cause knows and understands.
Why do you think this "caravan" was orchestrated and this invasion planned without any fear of American-flag burning self-proclaimed "warriors" rushing the border in a mass invasion?
They know that we have no willpower to do what will have to be done to stop them, and they know that the end game will be struck no matter what the results are.
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It satisfies the belief in the die-hards that Trump is actually DOING something about it - even though like everything else - it's all Kabuki theater - all for show with nothing permanent beyond the two Judges he got onto SCOTUS.
We are about to once again witness just how feckless, useless and complicit our own government is in facilitating the open-border invasion that both parties want.
Why are you praying for the slaughter of 10,000 unarmed people by the US military? Why can't you settle down and come up with a Plan B?
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Why are you praying for the slaughter of 10,000 unarmed people by the US military? Why can't you settle down and come up with a Plan B?
You seem to have conveniently missed this part....
but also limited the National Guard’s role, prohibiting guard forces from interacting with any of the migrants or taking on a law enforcement role.
How the hell can there even be a ""Plan B"" if/when we're not allowing the military to "interact" with the migrant hoard?
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That is exactly what every enemy, Jihadist and terrorist with a cause knows and understands.
Why do you think this "caravan" was orchestrated and this invasion planned without any fear of American-flag burning self-proclaimed "warriors" rushing the border in a mass invasion?
They know that we have no willpower to do what will have to be done to stop them, and they know that the end game will be struck no matter what the results are.
We are not going to slaughter unarmed people. Make them uncomfortable and bodily return them to their countries of origin, yes.
Block and return, yes. Slaughter, no.
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You seem to have conveniently missed this part....
How the hell can there even be a ""Plan B"" if/when we're not allowing the military to "interact" with the migrant hoard?
This article quotes the Mattis plan from April. Let's see what the Trump plan in October/November is before getting upset.
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This article quotes the Mattis plan from April. Let's see what the Trump plan in October/November is before getting upset.
Early voting is going on as we speak. Don't you think it would be nice if he would share his thoughts on what that "October/November" plan might entail now?
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This article quotes the Mattis plan from April. Let's see what the Trump plan in October/November is before getting upset.
I'm waiting. If it's just National Guard, I'm going nuclear.
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We are not going to slaughter unarmed people.
No. And you're not going to stop tens of thousands of this first wave of the invasion from coming into this country and pillaging it either.
For all this garbage you people pushed about Trump being this mystical and miraculous savior of the country - this 'fighter' you pretend that he is - you get to watch the loss of your country in his watch, and you will justify it simply to prop up the empty suit you made your prince.
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They could win this thing and occupy large parts of the southwest by Christmas.
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I'm waiting. If it's just National Guard, I'm going nuclear.
Same here. Unlike some I'll wait to see what actually happens before launching.
Trump has a pretty good eye for the country's mood. I hope he's determined enough to exercise his instincts.
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Early voting is going on as we speak. Don't you think it would be nice if he would share his thoughts on what that "October/November" plan might entail now?
I'm not convinced military strategy needs to be advertised, even if you think it would be nice.
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No. And you're not going to stop tens of thousands of this first wave of the invasion from coming into this country and pillaging it either.
For all this garbage you people pushed about Trump being this mystical and miraculous savior of the country - this 'fighter' you pretend that he is - you get to watch the loss of your country in his watch, and you will justify it simply to prop up the empty suit you made your prince.
Oh, please calm down and stop throwing around your usual asinine hyperbole. We're facing a huge threat.
Understand our military is not going to open fire on these people. This being the case, what would you like to see the President do? I'm being serious here Invar. Either join a rational conversation about the possible or take some time off and get some rest.
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No. And you're not going to stop tens of thousands of this first wave of the invasion from coming into this country and pillaging it either.
For all this garbage you people pushed about Trump being this mystical and miraculous savior of the country - this 'fighter' you pretend that he is - you get to watch the loss of your country in his watch, and you will justify it simply to prop up the empty suit you made your prince.
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I'm not convinced military strategy needs to be advertised, even if you think it would be nice.
I understand you. If this ends up being "National Guard" then this is all bullshit that loses Trump points.
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Oh, please calm down and stop throwing around your usual asinine hyperbole. We're facing a huge threat.
Understand our military is not going to open fire on these people. This being the case, what would you like to see the President do? I'm being serious here Invar. Either join a rational conversation about the possible or take some time off and get some rest.
It’s not @INVAR ‘s job to figure out the solution. It’s the president’s, and if he can’t it’s his job to consult only the best people that he bragged about hiring.
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I'm not convinced military strategy needs to be advertised, even if you think it would be nice.
A lot of people that are going to be voting over the next week or two would probably appreciate the reassurance that our borders will not be allowed to be breached by these invaders. It's not just me, IOW. Trump would be helping the GOP by giving that reassurance. I also think it would be "nice" if Congress passed an emergency bill eliminating that asinine "Catch and Release" law.
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Um.... well.... ok. This may sound like a stupid question, but here goes.
What, exactly, are the national guard troops supposed to do when the illegal invading hoards push through them and across the border? Why even bother sending them?
Exactly. If they think unarmed National Guard is going to stop the army headed toward us they are crazy. Why would it be any different than what happened at the Mexican border?
Now I know whey Trump didn't declare a state of emergency. No need its going to be the big beautiful door.
I have FOX news and have been watching. Bunch of sympathetic idiots. Poor immigrants with sore feet.
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Oh, please calm down and stop throwing around your usual asinine hyperbole.
People said the same stupid shit to the imbeciles in Europe - who said it was hyperbole and Islamophobia to warn them what the orchestrated refugee crisis was intended to cause there.
This being the case, what would you like to see the President do? I'm being serious here Invar.
No you're not. You are not serious about anything but licking Trump's boots apparently.
He has the power to announce and order the closure of our borders and suspending all immigration into the country effective immediately as part of a declared emergency which he has only tweeted about. He has the power to mobilize and militarize the border and make that very public along with the affirmation that no one from that invasion army/"caravan" is going to be admitted into this country for any reason. Make it plain that no one entering this county from this point forward is eligible for welfare or assistance from the taxpaying government. Make that so until such time as DHS and Congress create a vetting system to handle legitimate claims of asylum when ISIS and Jihadist terrorists are hiding among the horde. Make it plain that NO ONE is getting in here, PERIOD during the duration of this emergency. And unless those people want to be living in tents in the winter at the border on the Mexican side - they should rethink coming here, because we will not be responsible for the risks they take to try and gain entry when the border is closed.
Those attempting to breach the border will be handled as hostiles via the militarily and sent to Gitmo or some equivalent holding pen until they get shipped back home.
That alone may cause enough pawns in this orchestrated invasion to stop dead in it's tracks rather than risk the photo-op the organizers so desperately want.
But if you are not going to do shit behind words and let the UN 'handle it' when we have tens if not hundreds of thousands and maybe millions that have already poured over our open borders in the last decade, then you have just handed the Left what they wanted anyway, and invited an enemy to have it's way with us.
Where are Trump's balls - when this supposedly is the issue you people say that got Trump the presidency to begin with???
We do not want to see tweets or stupid rhetoric at Nuremberg-esque rallies. Your political hero needs to do something of actual substance NOW - or he proves himself what some of us have said he was all along.
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We are not going to slaughter unarmed people. Make them uncomfortable and bodily return them to their countries of origin, yes.
Block and return, yes. Slaughter, no.
Trump has promised he would keep them out. How do you see that happening? What's the plan? Mexico has already told them to apply for asylum but they kept coming. Armed military is a deterrent. Unarmed National Guard is not threatening at all.
Hopefully they wouldn't have to shoot. Right? Our military works among citizens of foreign lands all the time. They are trained.
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It’s not @INVAR ‘s job to figure out the solution. It’s the president’s, and if he can’t it’s his job to consult only the best people that he bragged about hiring.
Another excellent point.
And all of us are waiting while this invasion army is loading up in semis and driving up here as their horde burns American flags while carrying theirs while declaring themselves 'warriors'.
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Is this the same group of unarmed troops that were sent down to the border months ago and we found out they were being used for paperwork?
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A lot of people that are going to be voting over the next week or two would probably appreciate the reassurance that our borders will not be allowed to be breached by these invaders. It's not just me, IOW. Trump would be helping the GOP by giving that reassurance. I also think it would be "nice" if Congress passed an emergency bill eliminating that asinine "Catch and Release" law.
I think the President has been clear about his intentions, if not his plans of execution.
As for Congress passing an emergency bill eliminating "Catch and Release"..... this will depend on the outcome of the election in 14 days.
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I can't believe someone here is arguing that we don't need to know what the strategy to use the military and defend the border is. We damn sure deserve, need and have a right to know what the plan is. What the hell kind of argument is that?
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Is this the same group of unarmed troops that were sent down to the border months ago and we found out they were being used for paperwork?
The article states something like that.
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Exactly. If they think unarmed National Guard is going to stop the army headed toward us they are crazy. Why would it be any different than what happened at the Mexican border?
Now I know whey Trump didn't declare a state of emergency. No need its going to be the big beautiful door.
I have FOX news and have been watching. Bunch of sympathetic idiots. Poor immigrants with sore feet.
Yeah, cry me a river, Fox. It's not like they're being force-marched by a federal government like my ancestors were. They CHOSE to make that trek. Knowing full well that they were not welcome.
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I think the President has been clear about his intentions, if not his plans of execution.
As for Congress passing an emergency bill eliminating "Catch and Release"..... this will depend on the outcome of the election in 14 days.
Not to worry...the caravan will be here before that. :whistle:
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I can't believe someone here is arguing that we don't need to know what the strategy to use the military and defend the border is. We damn sure deserve, need and have a right to know what the plan is. What the hell kind of argument is that?
The kind that trusts the government, as long as it's "our" side.
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I think the President has been clear about his intentions, if not his plans of execution.
As for Congress passing an emergency bill eliminating "Catch and Release"..... this will depend on the outcome of the election in 14 days.
Which goes right back to my point.... that the early voters would like to know for sure how their vote giving majority control back to the GOP will be justified ....by Trump following through on what he has stated about declaring a national emergency and sending in the US Military (not just the National Guard). This election is crucial and that reassurance right about now is, as well.
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The kind that trusts the government, as long as it's "our" side.
Yep.
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Which goes right back to my point.... that the early voters would like to know for sure how their vote giving majority control back to the GOP will be justified ....by Trump following through on what he has stated about declaring a national emergency and sending in the US Military (not just the National Guard). This election is crucial and that reassurance right about now is, as well.
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I understand you. If this ends up being "National Guard" then this is all bullshit that loses Trump points.
I still hold out hope that the hurricane and TS will help with this. wink777
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Which goes right back to my point.... that the early voters would like to know for sure how their vote giving majority control back to the GOP will be justified ....by Trump following through on what he has stated about declaring a national emergency and sending in the US Military (not just the National Guard). This election is crucial and that reassurance right about now is, as well.
Okay.
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Not to worry...the caravan will be here before that. :whistle:
Actually, the "caravan" is a month from our border.
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I still hold out hope that the hurricane and TS will help with this. wink777
Help us all with some Divine Intervention.
I actually feel sorry for many of them. They have no idea what's coming. **nononono*
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It’s not @INVAR ‘s job to figure out the solution. It’s the president’s, and if he can’t it’s his job to consult only the best people that he bragged about hiring.
It's also not @INVAR 's job to disparage and diminish the planning underway without knowing what it is @goodwithagun
Maybe he could use his powers for good?
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Help us all with some Divine Intervention.
I actually feel sorry for many of them. They have no idea what's coming. **nononono*
I tip my hate to your compassion. I've been watching and listening to them and I don't give a rats ass about what they're about to face. 888mouth
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It's also not @INVAR 's job to disparage and diminish the planning underway without knowing what it is @goodwithagun
Maybe he could use his powers for good?
FFS
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Actually, the "caravan" is a month from our border.
Even more. The trucks and trains they expect to speed them along are not going to be there this time No amount of Soros money can fix that.
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Actually, the "caravan" is a month from our border.
Some of them are getting rides. They could be here by tomorrow.
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I tip my hate to your compassion. I've been watching and listening to them and I don't give a rats ass about what they're about to face. 888mouth
I...understand. They're pawns, and Soros doesn't give two shits how many have to die to serve his evil purpose. I always have heart for pawns, even f the Master does not.
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Fishrrman's credo:
Reality is what it is. It is not what we believe it to be.
(sigh)
Unarmed troops aren't going to stop anybody.
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Even more. The trucks and trains they expect to speed them along are not going to be there this time No amount of Soros money can fix that.
Well, here's a little ray of sunshine in a darkening night. happy77
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Some of them are getting rides. They could be here by tomorrow.
It will suck to be them. I hear the National Guard is waiting for them. 9999hair out0000
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Well, here's a little ray of sunshine in a darkening night. happy77
I will always be your friend... 888high58888
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I...understand. They're pawns, and Soros doesn't give two shits how many have to die to serve his evil purpose. I always have heart for pawns, even f the Master does not.
I see your point. But it's blocked behind the sheer audacity of marching across three nations into the United States. It makes my blood boil.
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I will always be your friend... 888high58888
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It's also not @INVAR 's job to disparage and diminish the planning underway without knowing what it is @goodwithagun
Maybe he could use his powers for good?
It’s our job to question politicians. That’s literally using our powers for good.
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I tip my hate to your compassion. I've been watching and listening to them and I don't give a rats ass about what they're about to face. 888mouth
Ah... something we (finally) agree upon.
I don't give a DemocRat's ass what they've gotten themselves into. Especially the ones dragging along their poor children (child abuse and endangerment). They alone made the choice and they alone should suffer the consequences of their sucky decisions. That's the reality of real life.
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Right_in_Virginia wrote:
"Block and return, yes. Slaughter, no."
The hordes are never going to stop breeching the border until enough have been shot trying, to convince others that attempting to rush their way in ain't such a good idea after all.
Similar situation here as the Israelis face with the Palestinians.
If I was advising Mr. Trump, I'd suggest he do some very quick consultin' with those in Israel who built the border barrier and who have to deal with the Palestinians on a day-to-day basis.
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I see your point. But it's blocked behind the sheer audacity of marching across three nations into the United States. It makes my blood boil.
Mine too. Puts my compassion to the test. "There are so many of us, most of us can get by you."
Spit!
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Actually, the "caravan" is a month from our border.
No, it's not.
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(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meZenJFXVxY#)
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Ah... something we (finally) agree upon.
I don't give a DemocRat's ass what they've gotten themselves into. Especially the ones dragging along their poor children (child abuse and endangerment). They alone made the choice and they alone should suffer the consequences of their sucky decisions. That's the reality of real life.
They have no idea what's coming. Pharaoh's soldiers didn't either.
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It's also not @INVAR 's job to disparage and diminish the planning underway without knowing what it is @goodwithagun
Maybe he could use his powers for good?
Why should that bother or worry you, who have declared people like me 'irrelevant'????
I use my 'powers' for the proclamation of the truth.
Something you have illustrated that you despise and will ridicule with impunity.
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Why should that bother or worry you, who have declared people like me 'irrelevant'????
I use my 'powers' for the proclamation of the truth.
Something you have illustrated that you despise and will ridicule with impunity.
You are far from "irrelevant." You are the rooster on my windgage.
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You are far from "irrelevant." You are the rooster on my windgage.
Get a room you two.
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Sound familiar?
The result is that now, should we only choose to do so, we are perfectly able to repulse the invasion and destroy the invader. Assuming, that is, that we are willing to murder—with or without regret—a million helpless wretches. Past wars have abounded in just such crimes, but conscience back then hadn’t yet learned to waver. Survival was all, and it condoned the carnage. Besides, those were wars of rich against rich. Today it’s the poor who are on the attack, with their ultimate weapon. And if we respond with the same kind of crime, not a soul will condone our action. Our integrity as a nation will have been preserved, but we surely will bear the mark of our deed forever. Certain forces abroad in the world today know this only too well: those dark forces bent on destroying our Western society, ready to plunge forward in the wake of the invader, behind the convenient shield that our guilty conscience provides them.
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If the National Guard is employed to support Border Patrol operations, I’m cool with that. There are plenty of nonmilitary assets to deploy at the choke points.
Trump’s bluster could put him in a corner of his own making.
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Get a room you two.
Put ‘em next door to the Orange Brigadier party room.
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Be worth the price of admission.
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Sound familiar?
Who’s quote is that?
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Put ‘em next door to the Orange Brigadier party room.
:rolling:
Be worth the price of admission.
Hell I’d be willing to foot the bar tab just to watch the debacle.
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Who’s quote is that?
It's from Camp of the Saints... the President of the Republic's comments to the nation as the invading hoards are about to descend upon their shores (eerily similar situation).
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It's from Camp of the Saints... the President of the Republic's comments to the nation as the invading hoards are about to descend upon their shores (eerily similar situation).
Thanks! I had not heard of the novel, will buy a copy next payday.
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Thanks! I had not heard of the novel, will buy a copy next payday.
Somebody here had said it is available for free on the internet. Don't remember who.
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Thanks! I had not heard of the novel, will buy a copy next payday.
When you read it, it will seem like a prophecy that was given verbatim back in 1971.
When you look at Europe now, and what is about to happen to us - the novel is frighteningly prescient.
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Thanks! I had not heard of the novel, will buy a copy next payday.
PDF download version:
http://www.jrbooksonline.com/pdfs/camp_of_the_saints.pdf (http://www.jrbooksonline.com/pdfs/camp_of_the_saints.pdf)
Online audio version:
https://archive.org/details/Camp-Of-The-Saints-By-Jean-Raspail/01-jean-raspail-camp-of-the-saints-pages-001-017.mp3 (https://archive.org/details/Camp-Of-The-Saints-By-Jean-Raspail/01-jean-raspail-camp-of-the-saints-pages-001-017.mp3)
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PDF download version:
http://www.jrbooksonline.com/pdfs/camp_of_the_saints.pdf (http://www.jrbooksonline.com/pdfs/camp_of_the_saints.pdf)
Online audio version:
https://archive.org/details/Camp-Of-The-Saints-By-Jean-Raspail/01-jean-raspail-camp-of-the-saints-pages-001-017.mp3 (https://archive.org/details/Camp-Of-The-Saints-By-Jean-Raspail/01-jean-raspail-camp-of-the-saints-pages-001-017.mp3)
Thanks again. My son is taking AP English, he has to read 300 pages a week. He took me up on two “suggestionsâ€: The Godfather and Once an Eagle. He’s not ready for Atlas Shrugged.
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A small portion of the summary regarding what happens once a third world migrant 'fleet' arrives in France:
The migrants make their way north, having no desire to assimilate to French culture, but continuing to demand a First World standard of living, even as they flout laws, do not produce, and murder French citizens, such as factory bosses and shopkeepers, as well as the ordinary people who do not welcome them. They are also joined by the immigrants who already reside in Europe, as well as various left-wing and anarchist groups. Across the West, more and more migrants arrive and have children, rapidly growing to outnumber whites. In a matter of months, the white West has been overrun and the pro-immigrant governments are established, while the white people are ordered to share their houses and flats with the immigrants.
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Read the news out of Europe in the last few years and this novel reads as history. But it is apparently our future.
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Why should that bother or worry you, who have declared people like me 'irrelevant'????
I use my 'powers' for the proclamation of the truth.
You don't worry me @INVAR ... And you're not proclaiming truth about what's going to be done because we don't know what it is yet. You're proclaiming your long-standing anger and hate toward the President and his supporters wrapped with a different bow.
Rather than going off half-cocked, why not engage in an intelligent discussion? You could begin by explaining what you would like the President to do .. without the snide hyperbole. And then let's have a rational discussion on the pros and cons of your suggestions.
This would be relevant.
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You don't worry me @INVAR ... And you're not proclaiming truth about what's going to be done because we don't know what it is yet. You're proclaiming your long-standing anger and hate toward the President and his supporters wrapped with a different bow.
What do you expect from a fruit loop who has his sword at the ready when everyone else is carrying guns.
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Rather than going off half-cocked, why not engage in an intelligent discussion?
You continuously prove that is nothing but a futile exercise of pearls and mire dear, trampled underfoot by swine.
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You continuously prove that is nothing but a futile exercise of pearls and mire dear, trampled underfoot by swine.
So what do we call someone who involves themselves in a futile exercise at least 13 times a day over and over and over and over? Oh yeah....
(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-cl4q6DVU-mY/UFKl3FoYgyI/AAAAAAAAHbE/vR4gYZJPH4Q/s1600/lobotomy.jpg)
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You continuously prove that is nothing but a futile exercise of pearls and mire dear, trampled underfoot by swine.
I'll take this as your "no" to my invitation for rational discourse. 88devil
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I'll take this as your "no" to my invitation for rational discourse.
You already deliberately ignored a lengthy answer to one of your direct questions tonight, just so you could fling that tried and true debate tactic of referencing anyone who doesn't genuflect at the altar of Trump with being unable to have any kind of 'rational discussion'.
You are simply shown to be good at trampling.
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So what do we call someone who involves themselves in a futile exercise at least 13 times a day over and over and over and over? Oh yeah....
Not everyone on this board had brain replacement surgery.
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Not everyone on this board had brain replacement surgery.
Yeah. Only a very select few.....
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So what do we call someone who involves themselves in a futile exercise at least 13 times a day over and over and over and over? Oh yeah....
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I call it "rear echelon," "motormouth MFer."
Never since the Fake Deacon of Dallas, has this site wirnessed such a gattling gun flurry of posts, day after day.
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I call it "rear echelon," "motormouth MFer."
Never since the Fake Deacon of Dallas, has this site wirnessed such a gattling gun flurry of posts, day after day.
It tickles me to know I irritate you so.
I shall strive to do so with more vigor.
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I can't believe someone here is arguing that we don't need to know what the strategy to use the military and defend the border is. We damn sure deserve, need and have a right to know what the plan is. What the hell kind of argument is that?
Sun Tzu Chapter 1 All warfare is based on deception. Hence, when we are able to attack, we must seem unable; when using our forces, we must appear inactive; when we are near, we must make the enemy believe we are far away; when far away, we must make him believe we are near.
We know that no matter what Trump does the democrats will try to stymie that plan, either through the courts and/or the media.
If they don't know what is coming they won't have time to come up with an effective counter.
Further don't you think it would be the height of deception to advertise that the Guardsmen are unarmed.
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It's from Camp of the Saints... the President of the Republic's comments to the nation as the invading hoards are about to descend upon their shores (eerily similar situation).
I see two different ones listed on Amazon one by Jean Raspail the other by Ezra T. Gray.
Which one? @XenaLee
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I see two different ones listed on Amazon one by Jean Raspail the other by Ezra T. Gray.
Which one? @XenaLee
Jean Raspail
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You already deliberately ignored a lengthy answer to one of your direct questions tonight,
You picked up on that? Good for you @INVAR Good for you! I have no time for repetitive, hyperbolic rants.
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Question:
Trump has threatened Honduras with cutting off aid.
What do we expect Honduras to do? Build a Berlin-style wall to prevent its people from leaving??
I know the US has picked up where the commies left off, now fining our citizens thousands of dollars to leave, but is this really the type of tyranny we want to export?
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Sun Tzu Chapter 1 All warfare is based on deception. Hence, when we are able to attack, we must seem unable; when using our forces, we must appear inactive; when we are near, we must make the enemy believe we are far away; when far away, we must make him believe we are near.
We know that no matter what Trump does the democrats will try to stymie that plan, either through the courts and/or the media.
If they don't know what is coming they won't have time to come up with an effective counter.
Further don't you think it would be the height of deception to advertise that the Guardsmen are unarmed.
Agreed. Your argument bolstered my thinking on this.
I don’t have the same doubts about this president that so many here have expressed. I feel like I’m putting my trust in a fellow patriot in the Oval Office. I trust Donald Trump to manage this situation as he has other things in office: with Americans foremost in mind and with a determination to succeed for the country and for the future.
God bless the rascal, I’m sure he’s got his legacy in mind, too. And that ain’t a bad ambition to have. To go down in history as a successful president of the United States and remembered as a man who did the best he could for his country.
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verga wrote:
"I see two different ones listed on Amazon one by Jean Raspail the other by Ezra T. Gray.
Which one?"
I've mentioned this before, and I'll repeat as a public service announcement:
You don't need to read "The Camp of the Saints" to have a good understanding of what it's about.
Go here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Camp_of_the_Saints
It will provide a plot summary and more info about Mr. Raspail and his book.
The book is downloadable in various formats here:
https://archive.org/details/CampOfTheSaints_201510/page/n0
It has become one of the most prophetic examples of fiction ever written, less than 50 years from when it was first published.
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I would love to see someone interview Monsieur Raspail about current events, if he's in any condition to speak on this.
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verga wrote:
"I see two different ones listed on Amazon one by Jean Raspail the other by Ezra T. Gray.
Which one?"
I've mentioned this before, and I'll repeat as a public service announcement:
You don't need to read "The Camp of the Saints" to have a good understanding of what it's about.
Go here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Camp_of_the_Saints
It will provide a plot summary and more info about Mr. Raspail and his book.
The book is downloadable in various formats here:
https://archive.org/details/CampOfTheSaints_201510/page/n0
It has become one of the most prophetic examples of fiction ever written, less than 50 years from when it was first published.
Thank you!
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You picked up on that? Good for you @INVAR Good for you! I have no time for repetitive, hyperbolic rants.
No, all that proved was that you have zero intention of having any kind of 'rational discussion' with people you disagree with because you need the cover and justification to continue to smear, snark and insult.
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It should be remembered that the memo being discussed is from April, and is not in response to this massive, cohesive caravan. Whether National Guard or military troops will be subject to the same constraints if/when that caravan reaches our borders is something we don't yet know, and are unlikely to know until a confrontation actually happens.
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Question:
Trump has threatened Honduras with cutting off aid.
What do we expect Honduras to do? Build a Berlin-style wall to prevent its people from leaving??
I know the US has picked up where the commies left off, now fining our citizens thousands of dollars to leave, but is this really the type of tyranny we want to export?
@Suppressed that was nothing more than lip service to make it look like he's actually doing something. He knows darn well, that withholding funding isn't going to prevent more from coming nor will it have an affect on those already on their way here.
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@Suppressed that was nothing more than lip service to make it look like he's actually doing something. He knows darn well, that withholding funding isn't going to prevent more from coming nor will it have an affect on those already on their way here.
Oh really?
! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYu3U-E-krE#)
Guatemala: Police block 1,600 Honduran migrants at border
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9999hair out0000 is right.
RA or nothing. We need guys with bullets under Regular Army rules. This half-assed shit is how we got here.
It's a complicated issue which Trump is trying to solve in a better way than shooting unarmed people.
What really annoys me is how the NTers among us seem to want bad things to happen if they can only blame Trump for them.
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Oh really?
! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYu3U-E-krE#)
Guatemala: Police block 1,600 Honduran migrants at border
That is just wave 3.
Waves 1 and 2 are already in Mexico marching North.
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Do folks here really believe we are going to open fire on unarmed people that will include women and children at the front of the line?
Do folks here really want us to?
I'm sure military strategists have thought this through more clearly than I, but we can do plenty short of this. Off the top of my head, we can create a buffer zone in Mexico and implement, without judicial interference, catch and return.
We have water cannons, tear gas and sonic music, too. We have enough military trucks and/or aircraft with military personnel to take them back to Guatamala.
But use live bullets? No. We are not going to do that.
Of course, we cannot do that @Right_in_Virginia. It will be solved and peacefully but not before every NTer here blames Trump for not waving a magic wand.
I am thoroughly disgusted with the NTers here. This is the worst example yet of those people seeming to want a disaster to happen if it will discredit Trump. Bah, humbug.
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I'm not convinced military strategy needs to be advertised, even if you think it would be nice.
It is also amazing how many people want Trump to e-mail his exact plans to them.
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I can't believe someone here is arguing that we don't need to know what the strategy to use the military and defend the border is. We damn sure deserve, need and have a right to know what the plan is. What the hell kind of argument is that?
Are you mad at Roosevelt for not disclosing the D-Day plans?
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Are you mad at Roosevelt for not disclosing the D-Day plans?
Don't be deliberately obtuse. I do want to know what he plans to do. I don't need the exact details or timelines, but, yes, as a citizen of this nation I do want to know that he will appropriately address the situation.
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Don't be deliberately obtuse. I do want to know what he plans to do. I don't need the exact details or timelines, but, yes, as a citizen of this nation I do want to know that he will appropriately address the situation.
But noooo. We're supposed to have blind faith (the same as his loyal supporters has) that he will follow through with this, just like he did re: the wall.
Oh wait....
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But noooo. We're supposed to have blind faith (the same as his loyal supporters has) that he will follow through with this, just like he did re: the wall.
Oh wait....
Yeah, I don't get it. :shrug:
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Don't be deliberately obtuse. I do want to know what he plans to do. I don't need the exact details or timelines, but, yes, as a citizen of this nation I do want to know that he will appropriately address the situation.
That is just unrealistic @Sanguine . He has already said they won't get in. There are a lot of options that don't involve opening machine gun fire on unarmed people. They are being discussed as we speak. But, sorry, you are not included in those discussions.
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That is just unrealistic @Sanguine . He has already said they won't get in. There are a lot of options that don't involve opening machine gun fire on unarmed people. They are being discussed as we speak. But, sorry, you are not included in those discussions.
Current stats are.... over 390,000 illegals have already "gotten in" this year alone. You really think we believe he's going to magically stop another 5-7,000 at the border now? I'll believe it ONLY if/when I see it.
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Current stats are.... over 390,000 illegals have already "gotten in" this year alone. You really think we believe he's going to magically stop another 5-7,000 at the border now? I'll believe it ONLY if/when I see it.
You are not going to 'see' shit, except what the media is going to portray this all as. Then, you will HEAR about how we are a compassionate country and that this invasion army is going to be let in, processed and evaluated. That big fat, beautiful door Trump said he was going to put in the middle of his wall - is going to be the only thing that will be a legacy to it. It is becoming obvious that we will continue to have open borders to a welfare state.
So we will be plundered from within. And that is the entire idea by those who orchestrated both the European refugee crisis and now this one.
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It's a complicated issue which Trump is trying to solve in a better way than shooting unarmed people.
What really annoys me is how the NTers among us seem to want bad things to happen if they can only blame Trump for them.
My son, while stationed in Germany, guarded the perimeter carrying an unloaded weapon...and he carried no ammunition.
Why risk an international incident? Not every American soldier is Sly Stallone.
Nope....they're going to be doused with skunk water and they'll disperse...and given plenty of warning to keep small children away danger of being crushed.
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You are not going to 'see' shit, except what the media is going to portray this all as. Then, you will HEAR about how we are a compassionate country and that this invasion army is going to be let in, processed and evaluated. That big fat, beautiful door Trump said he was going to put in the middle of his wall - is going to be the only thing that will be a legacy to it. It is becoming obvious that we will continue to have open borders to a welfare state.
So we will be plundered from within. And that is the entire idea by those who orchestrated both the European refugee crisis and now this one.
I keep seeing Trump on tv answering questions with his arms crossed, in defensive posture. I think I'm finally starting to 'get it'. The body language speaks for itself.
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Why should that bother or worry you, who have declared people like me 'irrelevant'????
I use my 'powers' for the proclamation of the truth.
Something you have illustrated that you despise and will ridicule with impunity.
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Lol! Kinda looks like you're speaking from experience there. Thanks for sharing. It explains a lot. :silly:
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Lol! Kinda looks like you're speaking from experience there. Thanks for sharing. It explains a lot. :silly:
Are you Invar's wife? Sister? Mother? :laugh:
PS: And just so you know...if I win the Powerball tonight many members in here are going to be instant millionaires. YOU are not one of them. vampire8
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Are you Invar's wife? Sister? Mother? :laugh:
Who do I have to be?
PS: And just so you know...if I win the Powerball tonight many members in here are going to be instant millionaires. YOU are not one of them. vampire8
You won't win. You never do.
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Oh really?
@jpsb
So, you believe Honduran police invaded Guatemala and prevented Hondurans from leaving?
Truly Trumpian.
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You won't win. You never do.
LOL! I'll match my political acumen in terms of predictions and prognostications with anybody in this house.
You, OTOH....... **nononono*
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LOL! I'll match my political acumen in terms of predictions and prognostications with anybody in this house.
You, OTOH....... **nononono*
Of course you will. Such arrogance. Such a 'hoisted on your own petard' attitude. And such a level of superiority, as you look down your nose at those you disagree with. Kind of reminds me of a certain political group of people I've been observing for over 20 years. 888mouth
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Of course you will. Such arrogance. Such a 'hoisted on your own petard' attitude. And such a level of superiority, as you look down your nose at those you disagree with. Kind of reminds me of a certain political group of people I've been observing for over 20 years. 888mouth
I responded to your assertion that I "..never win".
And this was your response for all to see. You know you're my b*tch now, don't you?
@mystery-ak
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I responded to your assertion that I "..never win".
And this was your response for all to see. You know you're my b*tch now, don't you?
@mystery-ak
You keep calling me a/your bitch, which only shows and clearly illustrates for all to see what you are. You realize that, don't you (fat chance)?
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And by the way..... can any one of you avid Trump supporters here point me to where "the wall" is being constructed and how much of it has been completed? Any photos of that progress.... ANYWHERE? Just curious... since I can't seem to find proof that any of it has been built, two years (already) in.
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That is just unrealistic @Sanguine . He has already said they won't get in. There are a lot of options that don't involve opening machine gun fire on unarmed people. They are being discussed as we speak. But, sorry, you are not included in those discussions.
@Emjay, that answer is beneath you. I didn't say a damn thing about machine gunning innocent people, and you know it. And, as I said upstream, I don't need the details, but I do need to know that an appropriate and effective response is in the works.
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My son, while stationed in Germany, guarded the perimeter carrying an unloaded weapon...and he carried no ammunition.
Why risk an international incident? Not every American soldier is Sly Stallone.
Nope....they're going to be doused with skunk water and they'll disperse...and given plenty of warning to keep small children away danger of being crushed.
Of course we will find alternatives to opening machine gun fire on a group of unarmed people that includes a few innocent (photo op) babies.
I cannot believe that some people here want to know the exact plan. That would just give ammo to the enemies. The plans will change as circumstances change.
It is not blind faith (a routine accusation by NTers about people who support Trump) to believe that Trump will use every means possible to stop this invasion because that's what he actually wants to do, unlike the liberals.
This is so obviously a Soros funded plan to create doubt and confusion right before the election.
And, sadly enough, it is working on way too many people. Sad.
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And by the way..... can any one of you avid Trump supporters here point me to where "the wall" is being constructed and how much of it has been completed? Any photos of that progress.... ANYWHERE? Just curious... since I can't seem to find proof that any of it has been built, two years (already) in.
The $$$ budgeted for the wall is to repair or replace the existing wall. No $$$ or future monies have been budgeted for additional wall.
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@Emjay, that answer is beneath you. I didn't say a damn thing about machine gunning innocent people, and you know it. And, as I said upstream, I don't need the details, but I do need to know that an appropriate and effective response is in the works.
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888high58888 No one wants to see anyone hurt, or killed, but IMHO having unarmed guards at the border is opening the door for putting them in harms way.
You are correct, the American people need to be addressed and told how this is going to be handled and to assure us that we will NOT be invaded...and that asylum IF any will be LIMITED.
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888high58888 No one wants to see anyone hurt, or killed, but IMHO having unarmed guards at the border is opening the door for putting them in harms way.
You are correct, the American people need to be addressed and told how this is going to be handled and to assure us that we will NOT be invaded...and that asylum IF any will be LIMITED.
I didn't say you did and you know that. I was merely using an example of how we would be painted if arms were used.
And I won't even attempt to talk any sense into you because you are totally obsessed in a negative way about this march.
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And, no, the American people do not need to know the details. Why give ammunition to the enemy, and, by the way, you would not like the details if they were foolish enough to announce them.
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I didn't say you did and you know that. I was merely using an example of how we would be painted if arms were used.
And I won't even attempt to talk any sense into you because you are totally obsessed in a negative way about this march.
@Emjay the reality is, Trump is putting 1,200 unarmed on the border and they have 14,000 coming at them. The potential for our citizens to be harmed is there. What is it going to take for the President and Congress to react? When one of these guards is beaten? When several hundred make it across the border and infiltrate our cities and rape or murder? When we discover that a small group of ISIS made it in and publicly beheads someone?? The potential is there and it sure seems right now that NOTHING is being done other than letting the UN place these people somewhere.
To those that say that right now there is no way that we can become another country like Europe because we have different processes in place ... I say b.s...until we are told how our gov't is going to protect this country from this growing invasion.
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Yeah, I don't get it. :shrug:
@Sanguine
@XenaLee
If nothing is done, you know how it will go, right? From "how can he disclose his plans" to "it isn't his fault, blame the Dems, GOP, globalists, establishment."
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That is just wave 3.
Waves 1 and 2 are already in Mexico marching North.
Correct but at least Trump managed to convince Guatemala not to let any more waves through.
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@Sanguine
@XenaLee
If nothing is done, you know how it will go, right? From "how can he disclose his plans" to "it isn't his fault, blame the Dems, GOP, globalists, establishment."
IOW....how can he disclose his plans if he had no real plans.
Bottom line.... I want him to do what he tweets he's going to do. That means sending the US Military ARMED....to the border to enforce that border and keep out these invading "migrant" hoards. If he doesn't do that, then we on the right are lost..... because the rats will regain control, if not November 6 (due to the close timing), then in 2020.
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Correct but at least Trump managed to convince Guatemala not to let any more waves through.
Do you have a link for that info? Why would they want to stop them and how are they going to stop them? They get rid of a lot of their criminal element and the U.S. will feed and clothe these people and they will send some money back to their families in their country so that they can be joined here. That's reality.
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IOW....how can he disclose his plans if he had no real plans.
Bottom line.... I want him to do what he tweets he's going to do. That means sending the US Military ARMED....to the border to enforce that border and keep out these invading "migrant" hoards. If he doesn't do that, then we on the right are lost..... because the rats will regain control, if not November 6 (due to the close timing), then in 2020.
888high58888 Absolutely. It's not like the plan would be some covert operation that is dependent on silence. Quite the opposite ... it's a matter of him saying NO to the UN and NO entry to the refugees ... and arming the border period. Let them apply for asylum in Mexico. Have at it, but NONE will be allowed in the US. That gets back to the countries from where there coming and it will curtail others from coming.
Again, this IS an invasion and as Commander in Chief he has the authority, in fact he took an oath to protect this country against its enemies.
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@jpsb
So, you believe Honduran police invaded Guatemala and prevented Hondurans from leaving?
Truly Trumpian.
WTF?
Guatemalan police stopped Hondurans from crossing into Guatemala. Or put another way
Trump pressured Guatemala into stopped a third mob of "immigrates" from coming here. You
should be happy about that.
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The $$$ budgeted for the wall is to repair or replace the existing wall. No $$$ or future monies have been budgeted for additional wall.
Not entirely true there was some money for about 15 miles of new wall.
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WTF?
Guatemalan police stopped Hondurans from crossing into Guatemala. Or put another way
Trump pressured Guatemala into stopped a third mob of "immigrates" from coming here. You
should be happy about that.
Again...do you have a link? Where are you citing this information from? Thank you.
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IOW....how can he disclose his plans if he had no real plans.
Bottom line.... I want him to do what he tweets he's going to do. That means sending the US Military ARMED....to the border to enforce that border and keep out these invading "migrant" hoards. If he doesn't do that, then we on the right are lost..... because the rats will regain control, if not November 6 (due to the close timing), then in 2020.
@XenaLee
This is all pretty vague, if you ask me.
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Like I said, I'll be glad to admit it if I'm wrong.
Digression: what's with the random capitalization? Why?
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Not entirely true there was some money for about 15 miles of new wall.
??? They may have replaced 15 miles ... but they did not ADD an additional 15 miles of wall.
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@XenaLee
This is all pretty vague, if you ask me.
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Like I said, I'll be glad to admit it if I'm wrong.
Digression: what's with the random capitalization? Why?
This is more than being vague. This is playing the blame game and saying we have to change laws (which takes awhile) ... in the meantime what is he doing??
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@Emjay, that answer is beneath you. I didn't say a damn thing about machine gunning innocent people, and you know it. And, as I said upstream, I don't need the details, but I do need to know that an appropriate and effective response is in the works.
I don't have a problem with opening fire on an invading horde. Fire a few warning shots and if they
keep coming shoot a few of them and if they still keep coming ... heavy artillery.
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WTF?
Guatemalan police stopped Hondurans from crossing into Guatemala. Or put another way
Trump pressured Guatemala into stopped a third mob of "immigrates" from coming here. You
should be happy about that.
Here's a little tip, @jpsb:
Guatemalan police don't work for Honduras.
The point being discussed was our threat to Honduras to stop people from leaving their country. Guatemalan police are not acting based on our threat to Honduras; they are irrelevant to the point.
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I don't have a problem with opening fire on an invading horde. Fire a few warning shots and if they
keep coming shoot a few of them and if they still keep coming ... heavy artillery.
There you go with the machine guns, @Emjay.
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Again...do you have a link? Where are you citing this information from? Thank you.
I posted a youtude video in this thread, it should not be to hard to find.
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@XenaLee
This is all pretty vague, if you ask me.
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Like I said, I'll be glad to admit it if I'm wrong.
Digression: what's with the random capitalization? Why?
If he doesn't follow through on his vow to send military troops to the border, it was all just Kabuki theater scripted lines, as far as I'm concerned. Intended to sway voters to vote GOP again... when it won't really matter if/when thousands (millions) more of these illegals will continue to swarm in. This is THE main issue he was elected on. If he fails (betrays) on this issue, it's over.
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There you go with the machine guns, @Emjay.
Look @Sanguine I am well aware that it was hyperbole, but nothing compared to what the liberals and press would say if we so much as used pea shooters on the mob.
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There you go with the machine guns, @Emjay.
This is why it was a big mistake to give females the right to vote.
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This is why it was a big mistake to give females the right to vote.
Excuse me? How dare you lump all females into the same P-hat! Harrrumph!!!!
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@Emjay the reality is, Trump is putting 1,200 unarmed on the border and they have 14,000 coming at them. The potential for our citizens to be harmed is there. What is it going to take for the President and Congress to react? When one of these guards is beaten? When several hundred make it across the border and infiltrate our cities and rape or murder? When we discover that a small group of ISIS made it in and publicly beheads someone?? The potential is there and it sure seems right now that NOTHING is being done other than letting the UN place these people somewhere.
To those that say that right now there is no way that we can become another country like Europe because we have different processes in place ... I say b.s...until we are told how our gov't is going to protect this country from this growing invasion.
Look @libertybele You're an okay gal but I can't discuss this with you. You are immune to any kind of reason. You demand that Trump tell you his plans, including Plan A, Plan B, and all other contingency plans even though you should know disclosing his plans to you would mean disclosing them to the enemy. The enemy, by the way, is not the dumb tools who are being paid to do this dangerous and fruitless march but the evil forces behind them.
You want this problem to be solved while the people are still in another country. I gotta say, you've kinda lost your mind on this and I wonder what you will say if and when it is resolved successfully without bloodshed.
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Excuse me? How dare you lump all females into the same P-hat! Harrrumph!!!!
Men (most men) will do what is necessary to protect the family, community, country. Females (most
females) will do that makes them feel good about themselves irregardless of the consequences to
family, community, country.
I am also tried of electing the cutest candidate instead of the best candidate.
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This is why it was a big mistake to give females the right to vote.
Good thinking, @jpsb, and never, never put them on the Supreme Court. All but one have been a disaster and the 'one' was only so so.
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Good thinking, @jpsb, and never, never put them on the Supreme Court. All but one have been a disaster and the 'one' was only so so.
Although there are rare exceptions, Nikki Haley being one.
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Men (most men) will do what is necessary to protect the family, community, country. Females (most
females) will do that makes them feel good about themselves irregardless of the consequences to
family, community, country.
I am also tried of electing the cutest candidate instead of the best candidate.
Well, I'm not "most females" then, I guess.
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Look @Sanguine I am well aware that it was hyperbole, but nothing compared to what the liberals and press would say if we so much as used pea shooters on the mob.
I was just pointing out that it was an ET, not an NT who says this.
And, the hell with what the left says about it! Do the right thing.
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This is why it was a big mistake to give females the right to vote.
Don't be an idiot, @jpsb, we have guns too.
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Look @libertybele You're an okay gal but I can't discuss this with you. You are immune to any kind of reason. You demand that Trump tell you his plans, including Plan A, Plan B, and all other contingency plans even though you should know disclosing his plans to you would mean disclosing them to the enemy. The enemy, by the way, is not the dumb tools who are being paid to do this dangerous and fruitless march but the evil forces behind them.
You want this problem to be solved while the people are still in another country. I gotta say, you've kinda lost your mind on this and I wonder what you will say if and when it is resolved successfully without bloodshed.
@Emjay it seems that you are misconstruing what I'm saying, and I will be the first to admit that I am very passionate about this issue and spent quite some time years ago trying to enlighten people and to get others to become passionate so we never got to this point.
Either Pres. Trump has a plan to reject these people and stop them from entering or he's going to allow these people (at least some of them) to enter. It's as simple as that. IOW he's being tested as to what he's been saying he's going to do and what he actually does. So far ... he's agreed to an extent to allow them to enter through the processes of the UN. It's not like he needs to plan some covert operation for that and I expect him to reveal it. I would hope that you would give me more credit than that.
Again, I am NOT proposing bloodshed. Absolutely not. I believe I have always given Trump credit when due. Since he was elected, I have been supportive and have wanted him to succeed. But, I will not give him a free pass like so many others are willing to do, especially when it comes to the sovereignty of this country.
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@Emjay it seems that you are misconstruing what I'm saying, and I will be the first to admit that I am very passionate about this issue and spent quite some time years ago trying to enlighten people and to get others to become passionate so we never got to this point.
Either Pres. Trump has a plan to reject these people and stop them from entering or he's going to allow these people (at least some of them) to enter. It's as simple as that. IOW he's being tested as to what he's been saying he's going to do and what he actually does. So far ... he's agreed to an extent to allow them to enter through the processes of the UN. It's not like he needs to plan some covert operation for that and I expect him to reveal it. I would hope that you would give me more credit than that.
Again, I am NOT proposing bloodshed. Absolutely not. I believe I have always given Trump credit when due. Since he was elected, I have been supportive and have wanted him to succeed. But, I will not give him a free pass like so many others are willing to do, especially when it comes to the sovereignty of this country.
Well, what exactly are you proposing, if not bloodshed? I mean, c'mon. You have the first President in many years who's actually concerned about the illegal problem and it's a real concern, not just a ploy to be elected. I hope you are not one of the people who blames Trump because there's no wall yet. He's accomplished a great deal, but he cannot part the seas, cure cancer or raise a wall with a magic wand.
I feel passionately about this issue also but, so far, it hasn't driven me crazy.
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The $$$ budgeted for the wall is to repair or replace the existing wall. No $$$ or future monies have been budgeted for additional wall.
Google is your friend @libertybele Use and discover where the new wall is going up and what design was chosen.
Stop relying on others to spoon feed you.
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Well, I'm not "most females" then, I guess.
There's not a single female on this forum that even remotely resembles that misogynistic stereotype.
I'll bet he doesn't have the courage to smear women to our faces.
His 'brave' comments attacking women are limited to his safe space at his computer.
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Men (most men) will do what is necessary to protect the family, community, country. Females (most
females) will do that makes them feel good about themselves irregardless of the consequences to
family, community, country.
I am also tried of electing the cutest candidate instead of the best candidate.
@jpsb
I was going to address your stated contempt for women but you think Trump is cute, so maybe I get it..... :pondering:
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Don't be an idiot, @jpsb, we have guns too.
@jpsb is a black duck with a lateral lisp.
I wouldn't pay any attention to his stupid posts disparaging women.
My guess is that toe to toe, you'd win any battle with him........... as would most of us females on this forum.
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@jpsb
I was going to address your stated contempt for women but you think Trump is cute, so maybe I get it..... :pondering:
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@musiclady
888high58888
Some of those guys don't think well of women, you know...
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This is why it was a big mistake to give females the right to vote.
Well, just the single ones. :whistle:
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Google is your friend @libertybele Use and discover where the new wall is going up and what design was chosen.
Stop relying on others to spoon feed you.
Clever, but no sale. Libertybele said: "The $$$ budgeted for the wall is to repair or replace the existing wall. No $$$ or future monies have been budgeted for additional wall." She didn't ask where it is going or what the design is.
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@musiclady
888high58888
Some of those guys don't think well of women, you know...
Actually, they don't think well of themselves.
Men with self-confidence and real masculinity respect women.
Insecure ones smear us hiding at home behind their computers.
btw, I guess one could argue that Trump is prettier than Hillary, so that could explain his vote..... wink777
@CatherineofAragon
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There's not a single female on this forum that even remotely resembles that misogynistic stereotype.
I'll bet he doesn't have the courage to smear women to our faces.
His 'brave' comments attacking women are limited to his safe space at his computer.
That's pretty much true of all of us @musiclady . I would never be as mean around someone who could actually slap me as I am on occasion on this forum
But, as a woman, I agree with him about women. Only a fraction of us can be reasonable and pragmatic.
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That's pretty much true of all of us @musiclady . I would never be as mean around someone who could actually slap me as I am on occasion on this forum
But, as a woman, I agree with him about women. Only a fraction of us can be reasonable and pragmatic.
Speak for yourself. I know a lot of rational women.
And I know (and have seen on forums such as this) a heck of a lot of completely irrational men.
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That's pretty much true of all of us @musiclady . I would never be as mean around someone who could actually slap me as I am on occasion on this forum
But, as a woman, I agree with him about women. Only a fraction of us can be reasonable and pragmatic.
L M A O !!!!!
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L M A O !!!!!
OK......... that's what I was going to say........... :beer:
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You are immune to any kind of reason. You demand that Trump tell you his plans, including Plan A, Plan B, and all other contingency plans even though you should know disclosing his plans to you would mean disclosing them to the enemy. The enemy, by the way, is not the dumb tools who are being paid to do this dangerous and fruitless march but the evil forces behind them.
Sounds exactly verbatim the attitude and mindset that existed among politicians, government and security alphabets after the Khobar Towers, the embassies in Tanzania and Kenya and USS Cole were bombed.
The enemy took full advantage of the silent non-existent reaction to actual declared intentions and took that as weakness so as to proceeded with the plan to train and use our own airliners as fuel-air missiles against civilian office towers.
Now, as before - we have the same stupid reaction in the face of declarations of invasion by foreign 'warriors' whose stated goals are to conquer, plunder and with video and pictures of American flag burners among the hordes of invaders carrying their own flags that are marching on us.
And you are all upset that we the people are demanding to know what the Commander In Chief plans to do about this army of invaders approaching us? I suppose we would have expected you to say the same stupid shit if we had been wise enough to ask the President what he intended to do about Bin Laden after he declared war on us in 1997.
I think your mindset is just one more proof that we are too stupid and idiotic to survive what is being done to us, because all you people know to do is hide behind the empty hope of electing more politicians in office to save you.
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OK......... that's what I was going to say........... :beer:
They don't call me quick-draw for nada! :beer:
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Actually, they don't think well of themselves.
Men with self-confidence and real masculinity respect women.
Insecure ones smear us hiding at home behind their computers.
btw, I guess one could argue that Trump is prettier than Hillary, so that could explain his vote..... wink777
@CatherineofAragon
@musiclady
I think @jpsb should tell us what he finds cutest about Trump. This is a safe space.
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Speak for yourself. I know a lot of rational women.
And I know (and have seen on forums such as this) a heck of a lot of completely irrational men.
@musiclady
Like you, I know a lot of good women. I also know--or used to--some reptilian females. On the whole, I always preferred to work with men than women.
But---and I don't intend to offend anyone on this forum-- I used to believe that all conservative men were absolute princes with the purest respect for women I didn't believe Tax-Chick at TOS when she said otherwise. But she was right, it turns out. Go over there and you can see outright hatred of women.
To some, especially of a certain generation, recognition of that fact means you're a feminist and a man-hater. Nope, just realistic.
Now, I defend men on a case by case basis, but it isn't default anymore.
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They don't call me quick-draw for nada! :beer:
In the spirit of this thread, that would be "Queecks draw."
(Or are you too young to get that?)
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Speak for yourself. I know a lot of rational women.
And I know (and have seen on forums such as this) a heck of a lot of completely irrational men.
I always speak for myself, cuz I'm the smart one. I'm talking about women in public office and 80% of them are disasters.
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Google is your friend @libertybele Use and discover where the new wall is going up and what design was chosen.
Stop relying on others to spoon feed you.
Stuff it RIV!!
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In the spirit of this thread, that would be "Queecks draw."
(Or are you too young to get that?)
Now that there is funny!!! :beer: :rolling:
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I was just pointing out that it was an ET, not an NT who says this.
And, the hell with what the left says about it! Do the right thing.
I agree, but there are a lot of stupid people in the world and we have to beware of giving them ammunition.
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@musiclady
Like you, I know a lot of good women. I also know--or used to--some reptilian females. On the whole, I always preferred to work with men than women.
But---and I don't intend to offend anyone on this forum-- I used to believe that all conservative men were absolute princes with the purest respect for women I didn't believe Tax-Chick at TOS when she said otherwise. But she was right, it turns out. Go over there and you can see outright hatred of women.
To some, especially of a certain generation, recognition of that fact means you're a feminist and a man-hater. Nope, just realistic.
Now, I defend men on a case by case basis, but it isn't default anymore.
I saw that hatred even before I left in 2012.
And absolutely agree on the "case by case" judgment. There are bad men and bad women.
(I'm pretty sure that has something to do with original sin. happy77)
I just love it, though, when men start screeching and crying about how emotional women are. Or when, in the middle of a knock down drag out emotions blazing fight, men actually have the nerve to say women get in catfights. Tickles me pink! 8888sitting kitty
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Now that there is funny!!! :beer: :rolling:
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@Emjay it seems that you are misconstruing what I'm saying, and I will be the first to admit that I am very passionate about this issue and spent quite some time years ago trying to enlighten people and to get others to become passionate so we never got to this point.
Either Pres. Trump has a plan to reject these people and stop them from entering or he's going to allow these people (at least some of them) to enter. It's as simple as that. IOW he's being tested as to what he's been saying he's going to do and what he actually does. So far ... he's agreed to an extent to allow them to enter through the processes of the UN. It's not like he needs to plan some covert operation for that and I expect him to reveal it. I would hope that you would give me more credit than that.
Again, I am NOT proposing bloodshed. Absolutely not. I believe I have always given Trump credit when due. Since he was elected, I have been supportive and have wanted him to succeed. But, I will not give him a free pass like so many others are willing to do, especially when it comes to the sovereignty of this country.
All the NTers claim that they give Trump credit when it is due; but somehow it is never due, and they all presume he will fail.
I'm kinda wondering who the NTers voted for. I'm guessing they a)didn't vote; b)voted for some pie in the sky third party; or c) voted for Ted Cruz.
I was for Ted Cruz, but he would be no more popular with Congress than Trump is. Cruz is a Constitutional Conservative with really strong values. The majority of supposed conservatives are not, and only think of not rocking the boat and staying in office.
So, wondering who the NTers would think would be doing a better job:
John Kasich
Ted Cruz
Marco Rubio
Ben Carson
Jeb Bush
Jim Gilmore
Chris Christie
Carly Fiorena
Rick Santorum
Rand Paul
Mike Huckabee
Think about it. Trump and Ted Cruz are probably the only people there who really care about the illegal problem.
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I always speak for myself, cuz I'm the smart one. I'm talking about women in public office and 80% of them are disasters.
I don't know where you get that @Emjay. In Texas we have a large number of conservative Republican women in offices and they do very well.
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I don't know where you get that @Emjay. In Texas we have a large number of conservative Republican women in offices and they do very well.
Okay, okay, call it an irrational prejudice then.
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Well, what exactly are you proposing, if not bloodshed? I mean, c'mon. You have the first President in many years who's actually concerned about the illegal problem and it's a real concern, not just a ploy to be elected. I hope you are not one of the people who blames Trump because there's no wall yet. He's accomplished a great deal, but he cannot part the seas, cure cancer or raise a wall with a magic wand.
I feel passionately about this issue also but, so far, it hasn't driven me crazy.
He as Commander in Chief has the authority and the right and took ad oath to defend this country period. Right now IMHO, I feel he is being tested ... either he say NO entry to this mob or he lets them enter (said this all before). So far -- he's agreed to let the UN process them with some being placed in the U.S. So ... a wall wouldn't make a whole lot of difference at this point would it?
Congress is responsible for funding the wall @Emjay ... I realize that. I also believe that there are several areas that he can pull discretionary funds from as well as executive orders ... yes I realize lower courts have stopped him in the past and have put up roadblocks ... yes he's done a lot and I have given him credit when due.
Our sovereignty depends on him.
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PS: And just so you know...if I win the Powerball tonight many members in here are going to be instant millionaires. YOU are not one of them.
Hey, ol' buddy, how ya been?
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In the spirit of this thread, that would be "Queecks draw."
(Or are you too young to get that?)
Uhhh..... well.... I don't get it, but why would age have anything to do with it?
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I saw that hatred even before I left in 2012.
And absolutely agree on the "case by case" judgment. There are bad men and bad women.
(I'm pretty sure that has something to do with original sin. happy77)
I just love it, though, when men start screeching and crying about how emotional women are. Or when, in the middle of a knock down drag out emotions blazing fight, men actually have the nerve to say women get in catfights. Tickles me pink! 8888sitting kitty
@musiclady
Yes. They're also quite capable of tantrums and theatrical "I'm never speaking to you again" announcements. :shrug:
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Hey, ol' buddy, how ya been?
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Uhhh..... well.... I don't get it, but why would age have anything to do with it?
There was a cartoon on from 1959- 1962 (my late childhood) called "Quick Draw McGraw." He was a horse, and he had a Mexican sidekick who was a burro named Baba Looie, who always called him "Queecks draw."
It probably was only funny if you're old enough to remember it, but, since we're talking about a caravan going through Mexico.......
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There was a cartoon on from 1959- 1962 (my late childhood) called "Quick Draw McGraw." He was a horse, and he had a Mexican sidekick who was a burro named Baba Looie, who always called him "Queecks draw."
It probably was only funny if you're old enough to remember it, but, since we're talking about a caravan going through Mexico.......
Lol! Nah. I never heard of it, but sounds pretty cute.
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All the NTers claim that they give Trump credit when it is due; but somehow it is never due, and they all presume he will fail.
I'm kinda wondering who the NTers voted for. I'm guessing they a)didn't vote; b)voted for some pie in the sky third party; or c) voted for Ted Cruz.
I was for Ted Cruz, but he would be no more popular with Congress than Trump is. Cruz is a Constitutional Conservative with really strong values. The majority of supposed conservatives are not, and only think of not rocking the boat and staying in office.
So, wondering who the NTers would think would be doing a better job:
John Kasich
Ted Cruz
Marco Rubio
Ben Carson
Jeb Bush
Jim Gilmore
Chris Christie
Carly Fiorena
Rick Santorum
Rand Paul
Mike Huckabee
Think about it. Trump and Ted Cruz are probably the only people there who really care about the illegal problem.
Sadly this is very true.
I still think Cruz would have made a fantastic President. Indeed, the left still hates him as do members of his own party I'm sure, but I think that has subsided somewhat since Trump took office.
I hoping that many may change their tune a bit now that the issue is so close to hitting home. As for the Kasich's and the Rubio's and the other's you have mentioned, their reach for the presidency is all but gone. They only two that may stand any chance of a future is Cruz and Paul.
Again, I want to be clear that I definitely do want Trump to succeed and hopefully the caravan heading this way will finally get the NT's to admit that we need him to succeed. They don't have to like his character, nor his demeanor, but I'm hoping that they'll realize the fate of our sovereignty is ultimately in his hands.
Prayers up for this country and President Trump.
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@Emjay it seems that you are misconstruing what I'm saying, and I will be the first to admit that I am very passionate about this issue and spent quite some time years ago trying to enlighten people and to get others to become passionate so we never got to this point.
Either Pres. Trump has a plan to reject these people and stop them from entering or he's going to allow these people (at least some of them) to enter. It's as simple as that. IOW he's being tested as to what he's been saying he's going to do and what he actually does. So far ... he's agreed to an extent to allow them to enter through the processes of the UN. It's not like he needs to plan some covert operation for that and I expect him to reveal it. I would hope that you would give me more credit than that.
Again, I am NOT proposing bloodshed. Absolutely not. I believe I have always given Trump credit when due. Since he was elected, I have been supportive and have wanted him to succeed. But, I will not give him a free pass like so many others are willing to do, especially when it comes to the sovereignty of this country.
Personally I don’t really give a rip if there’s bloodshed. Start announcing now that ANY attempts by members of this caravan to forcefully cross the border will be met with lethal force. If they choose to continue, well now theyve made their choice now haven’t they? I’m so damned magnanimous, that I’ll even make exceptions for children, we wil process them for return to their native country. Everybody else? Too f’ing bad, you should’ve believed us when we said we viewed you as an invasion force.
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Personally I don’t really give a rip if there’s bloodshed. Start announcing now that ANY attempts by members of this caravan to forcefully cross the border will be met with lethal force. If they choose to continue, well now theyve made their choice now haven’t they? I’m so damned magnanimous, that I’ll even make exceptions for children, we wil process them for return to their native country. Everybody else? Too f’ing bad, you should’ve believed us when we said we viewed you as an invasion force.
10 to 1....it's skunk water. Already shipped and delivered from Israel. Very effective in dealing with crowd control.
Completely harmless.
Now...as for the ones that fight thru that stuff and try to cross?
Sound weapons will put them down instantly. Screws with the equilibrium.
Nobody has to die.
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Personally I don’t really give a rip if there’s bloodshed. Start announcing now that ANY attempts by members of this caravan to forcefully cross the border will be met with lethal force. If they choose to continue, well now theyve made their choice now haven’t they? I’m so damned magnanimous, that I’ll even make exceptions for children, we wil process them for return to their native country. Everybody else? Too f’ing bad, you should’ve believed us when we said we viewed you as an invasion force.
I'm absolutely all for Trump taking a firm stance. He first needs to announce that the U.S. will NOT take any refugees from this caravan mob and that he is declaring a moratorium on migration to this country period.
He has left things in the hands of the UN. It is right now up to them to figure out how to deal with these people. From what I've been told, he does not have to accept these people into this country.
Ok ... we have unarmed guards on the border. It's almost a sure thing that there will be some that will try to cross over...our guards will try to stop them ... it is at that point that I fear. Somehow I don't see President Trump telling them to turn the other cheek. He may be waiting for them to take the first steps over our border. Then I think it may become a whole different ballgame.
We shall know very shortly.
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10 to 1....it's skunk water. Already shipped and delivered from Israel. Very effective in dealing with crowd control.
Completely harmless.
Now...as for the ones that fight thru that stuff and try to cross?
Sound weapons will put them down instantly. Screws with the equilibrium.
Nobody has to die.
Problem with that is that it is not a tomorrow solution. It’s a today solution. Put some in the ground and they’re a helluva lot more likely to get the point that party time is over.
Don’t do that and all you’re demonstrating is that we aren’t REALLY serious.
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He as Commander in Chief has the authority and the right and took ad oath to defend this country period. Right now IMHO, I feel he is being tested ... either he say NO entry to this mob or he lets them enter (said this all before). So far -- he's agreed to let the UN process them with some being placed in the U.S. So ... a wall wouldn't make a whole lot of difference at this point would it?
Congress is responsible for funding the wall @Emjay ... I realize that. I also believe that there are several areas that he can pull discretionary funds from as well as executive orders ... yes I realize lower courts have stopped him in the past and have put up roadblocks ... yes he's done a lot and I have given him credit when due.
Our sovereignty depends on him.
What would be even more effective than the wall is no welfare. No chain migration and no birthright citizenship.
Of course I want the wall too. Because terrorists don't need welfare. They are well funded. I can't understand why president Trump wouldn't have our armed military at the border. It has been proven that there are criminals and terrorists moving with the Caravan.
One man with the authority to keep us safe. To uphold the Constitution against foreign invasion. And he chooses to send unarmed National Guard.
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Problem with that is that it is not a tomorrow solution. It’s a today solution. Put some in the ground and they’re a helluva lot more likely to get the point that party time is over.
Don’t do that and all you’re demonstrating is that we aren’t REALLY serious.
It's a humanitarian solution for the time being. How many of them if any are armed?
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Problem with that is that it is not a tomorrow solution. It’s a today solution. Put some in the ground and they’re a helluva lot more likely to get the point that party time is over.
Maybe we should build the wall and get a Congress to end catch and release before we "put some in the ground".
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Uhhh..... well.... I don't get it, but why would age have anything to do with it?
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It's a humanitarian solution for the time being. How many of them if any are armed?
We don't know they could be armed. Why would we put our military on the line without protection?
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Maybe we should build the wall and get a Congress to end catch and release before we "put some in the ground".
You have talked about progress on the wall before. A four mile section. What a waste.
In case you haven't noticed there are as some reports over 10,000 migrants wanting to cross illegal. It has gotten to critical situation and Congress still can't do a thing. What would do something would be Trump to declare state of emergency and send armed military to the border. Signs should be posted in Spanish that armed military are guarding the border and have the authority to use whatever means they can to prevent illegal entry.
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We don't know they could be armed. Why would we put our military on the line without protection?
Almost seems like they are the sacrificial lambs until the first one gets killed doesn't it?
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You have talked about progress on the wall before. A four mile section. What a waste.
I have also talked about Congress's role in all of this. Now is your chance to make a difference in real time ... stop whining, get up and go vote Republican on Nov. 6. And bring a caravan of your own with you.
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You have talked about progress on the wall before. A four mile section. What a waste.
In case you haven't noticed there are as some reports over 10,000 migrants wanting to cross illegal. It has gotten to critical situation and Congress still can't do a thing. What would do something would be Trump to declare state of emergency and send armed military to the border. Signs should be posted in Spanish that armed military are guarding the border and have the authority to use whatever means they can to prevent illegal entry.
He needs to declare his intent and soon. Supposedly he's declared a national emergency ... unfortunately, it's become a wait and see what happens.
Just a thought and not that I agree with it, but technically if they apply for asylum and are placed within this country, then its no longer an invasion.
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He needs to declare his intent and soon. Supposedly he's declared a national emergency ... unfortunately, it's become a wait and see what happens.
Just a thought and not that I agree with it, but technically if they apply for asylum and are placed within this country, then its no longer an invasion.
I highly doubt many are going to apply for asylum. Most are coming for jobs.
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Now is your chance to make a difference in real time ... stop whining, get up and go vote Republican on Nov. 6. And bring a caravan of your own with you.
Voting Republican is not going to make a whit of difference as the last 8 years alone have proven.
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I highly doubt many are going to apply for asylum. Most are coming for jobs.
If they do apply for asylum, then they can wait for 12 mos., and apply for residency and they will be given a social security card and then they can legally work here. That's the kicker to all this.
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Voting Republican is not going to make a whit of difference as the last 8 years alone have proven.
Okay ... then vote for Trump Republicans. :smokin:
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I have also talked about Congress's role in all of this. Now is your chance to make a difference in real time ... stop whining, get up and go vote Republican on Nov. 6. And bring a caravan of your own with you.
I don't need to be belittled by you. We had a majority the whole time Trump has been in office. If Trump doesn't stop these criminals. All of them criminals with the intent to break our law by entering illegally then he is the one whining. He talks big and acts small.
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It's a humanitarian solution for the time being. How many of them if any are armed?
The humanitarian solution is telling them for the last 500 miles of their little walk that they WILL be shot if they attempt to cross the border. Anyone not prepared to do that has already lost this little fight because you’ve admitted that there is a line you will not cross.
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If they do apply for asylum, then they can wait for 12 mos., and apply for residency and they will be given a social security card and then they can legally work here. That's the kicker to all this.
Yes, but most of them are not in any real danger from their country. The kicker is UN deciding. Should never happen. We are a sovereign country. That useless agency should be deported also.
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The humanitarian solution is telling them for the last 500 miles of their little walk that they WILL be shot if they attempt to cross the border. Anyone not prepared to do that has already lost this little fight because you’ve admitted that there is a line you will not cross.
Why our military is so well trained. Our police forces too. You can't be afraid to act. It will be your life. I think your right. They should be well informed that they are going to meet armed resistance at the border.
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Problem with that is that it is not a tomorrow solution. It’s a today solution. Put some in the ground and they’re a helluva lot more likely to get the point that party time is over.
Don’t do that and all you’re demonstrating is that we aren’t REALLY serious.
Can't do that anymore. The world is way too small.
Cameras show events in real time.
Every effort has to be made to not take a human life...if for optics alone.
They could even call it Patriot Games and show it on Netflix. The ones that make it across the border and past the kill zone win a 3 bedroom 2 bath rancher next to Harry Reid.
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Why our military is so well trained. Our police forces too. You can't be afraid to act. It will be your life. I think your right. They should be well informed that they are going to meet armed resistance at the border.
Anyone not willing to do so is simply stating that the invasion forces lives are more important than our sovereign border security. Period.
I vehemently disagree with that notion.
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I don't need to be belittled by you. We had a majority the whole time Trump has been in office.
I'm not belittling you. I'm reminding you what needs to happen in Congress if we want to change the illegal immigration situation without starting a shooting war with half the hemisphere.
And bullshit on the "whole time we had a majority". If one Republican Senator got sick, we lost the vote. So stop with the hysterics and recognize what we've been up against.
And I repeat ... if you care half as much as you want people to believe, you will stop whining, get up and go vote Republican on Nov. 6 ... and bring a caravan with you.
Here's where you put up.
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I highly doubt many are going to apply for asylum. Most are coming for jobs.
That's who I want cutting my lawn and landscaping.
Who wouldn't want to hire somebody who trekked on...despite the risks of being shot, etc.? I'll take two. :laugh:
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Yes, but most of them are not in any real danger from their country. The kicker is UN deciding. Should never happen. We are a sovereign country. That useless agency should be deported also.
The U.S. is also part of the UNHCR and is a host nation. Trump agreed to the UN deciding.
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If they do apply for asylum, then they can wait for 12 mos., and apply for residency and they will be given a social security card and then they can legally work here. That's the kicker to all this.
How, exactly, is 7,000 (or more) people going to apply for asylum in the US.... when our border enforcement is already overwhelmed and full-up? There's not enough people to even do the paperwork, assuming that it gets that far. Nah. If the migrants aren't stopped dead in their tracks and prevented from entering the US, they will be allowed in, free as birds, to go where they want.... and to do what they want..... breaking our laws by even being here. Trump had better not let that happen.
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How, exactly, is 7,000 (or more) people going to apply for asylum in the US.... when our border enforcement is already overwhelmed and full-up? There's not enough people to even do the paperwork, assuming that it gets that far. Nah. If the migrants aren't stopped dead in their tracks and prevented from entering the US, they will be allowed in, free as birds, to go where they want.... and to do what they want..... breaking our laws by even being here. Trump had better not let that happen.
....meanwhile ... Americans are sitting on their rockers on their front porches and doing nothing. Imagine the message it would send if this mob was met at the border with US citizens with Spanish signs saying ... This is NOT your country. Go Back! You are NOT welcome.
Truth be known, chances are the 1,200 unarmed guards at the border would probably turn us around.
I'm waiting till Nov. 6 before I cast my vote ... hopefully Trump will have taken a stand ... if he backs down ... then there's really no point in voting ... the outcome would be the same from both parties. Just sayin'
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Okay ... then vote for Trump Republicans. :smokin:
I'm done listening to the endless refrain each and every election cycle that insists we need to vote for more R's to save us from all the problems that they, themselves have funded, capitulated to or passed.
Nope. I'm forever done with your party, Trumplican, Establishment or Liberal Democrat who ran as a Conservative to win office. Forever done.
You are welcome to practice insanity to your heart's content and continue voting the same way and expecting different results, some of us know better than to do that.
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....meanwhile ... Americans are sitting on their rockers on their front porches and doing nothing. Imagine the message it would send if this mob was met at the border with US citizens with Spanish signs saying ... This is NOT your country. Go Back! You are NOT welcome.
Truth be known, chances are the 1,200 unarmed guards at the border would probably turn us around.
I'm waiting till Nov. 6 before I cast my vote ... hopefully Trump will have taken a stand ... if he backs down ... then there's really no point in voting ... the outcome would be the same from both parties. Just sayin'
Yeah, I thought about doing that too. But I think I'll go ahead and vote.... this time. In the hopes that we will get another two years of sanity vs. the leftist insanity. If Trump doesn't stick to his guns and his promise to send in the military, I'll withhold my vote in 2020. It won't matter by then anyway, probably.
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I'm done listening to the endless refrain each and every election cycle that insists we need to vote for more R's to save us from all the problems that they, themselves have funded, capitulated to or passed.
Nope. I'm forever done with your party, Trumplican, Establishment or Liberal Democrat who ran as a Conservative to win office. Forever done.
You are welcome to practice insanity to your heart's content and continue voting the same way and expecting different results, some of us know better than to do that.
....oh .... kind of like keeping McConnell and Ryan in leadership and expecting a different result? Gee ... who would've thought? 9999hair out0000
Here we sit.
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@jpsb is a black duck with a lateral lisp.
<NOPE>
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@musiclady
I think @jpsb should tell us what he finds cutest about Trump. This is a safe space.
Compared to Hillary? LOL, Trump's wife is cute. Nothing about Hillary is.
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I'm done listening to the endless refrain each and every election cycle that insists we need to vote for more R's to save us from all the problems that they, themselves have funded, capitulated to or passed.
Nope. I'm forever done with your party, Trumplican, Establishment or Liberal Democrat who ran as a Conservative to win office. Forever done.
You are welcome to practice insanity to your heart's content and continue voting the same way and expecting different results, some of us know better than to do that.
Maybe you're right. Maybe you're wrong. The one thing I've noticed is that your extremist faction doesn't try to tell me how to vote, while the other extremist faction calls me a traitor if I don't go their way.
My vote, my choice.
Your vote, your choice.
Dead guy's vote, Soro's choice.
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We have water cannons, tear gas and sonic music, too.
It’s a damn good thing we have sonic music. The visual music wasn’t very effective last time.
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<NOPE>
You picked your avatar @jpsb . Don't be slamming me because I can see what you look like.
btw, am I an 'idiot' because I'm not in love with your man crush, or just because I'm a woman who thinks for myself?
I know that lisping black ducks are intolerant of intelligence, and especially bright, independent women.
Which is it?
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Let's pick at the topic and not each other, OK?
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Just a reminder. Ya coulda had Kasich.
Kasich: ‘The Lord Doesn’t Want’ Americans Opposing the Migrant Caravan
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Oh, please calm down and stop throwing around your usual asinine hyperbole. We're facing a huge threat.
Understand our military is not going to open fire on these people. This being the case, what would you like to see the President do? I'm being serious here Invar. Either join a rational conversation about the possible or take some time off and get some rest.
Was that "Clarity" back in the old FR days who used to tell folks to "Get Some Rest"? :pondering: happy77
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Was that "Clarity" back in the old FR days who used to tell folks to "Get Some Rest"? :pondering: happy77
He did. It's a common expression that I have at least thought a lot of times. "Don't Panic" works for me.
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Im late to this party, but there is a lot of sense in advertising our troops will be mostly unarmed. One batch of Zetas cuts through the column (with some of those nice toys they picked up from Obama's BATF during grenadewalker and other operations) and our guys could get hung out to dry in the world press as having massacred a bunch of 'poor innocents'. Would these dirtbags slaughter a bunch of kids to get their people across? You betcha! They are playing a nasty long game, and any pawns can be sacrificed on the road to what they consider winning.
This is all ultimately about money, power, and real estate.
Pat them on the head, give 'em a drink of water, and send them home.
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"We do not have any intention right now to shoot at people, but they will be apprehended, however," Nielsen said in an interview with Fox News. "But I also take my officers and agents, their own personal safety, extraordinarily seriously. They do have the ability, of course, to defend themselves."
https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/10/26/politics/nielsen-caravan-military-trump/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F (https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/10/26/politics/nielsen-caravan-military-trump/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F)
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Trump is considering shutting down ports of entry along the southern border to further dissuade that caravan. However, that plan is “receiv[ing] pushback within the White House where officials have argued it would hurt interstate commerce
https://www.defenseone.com/news/2018/10/the-d-brief-october-26-2018/152336/?oref=d-channelriver (https://www.defenseone.com/news/2018/10/the-d-brief-october-26-2018/152336/?oref=d-channelriver)
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Trump is considering shutting down ports of entry along the southern border to further dissuade that caravan. However, that plan is “receiv[ing] pushback within the White House where officials have argued it would hurt interstate commerce
https://www.defenseone.com/news/2018/10/the-d-brief-october-26-2018/152336/?oref=d-channelriver (https://www.defenseone.com/news/2018/10/the-d-brief-october-26-2018/152336/?oref=d-channelriver)
And right there is proof that for all of Trump's empty promises, Open Borders to A Welfare State will not be hindered in any way, and the hordes of third world invaders have gotten the invitation to invade us, and so they are.
While Democrats are waiting at the border to register them all to vote.
Kiss your country goodbye, it's already a dead man walking. Math does not lie.
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And right there is proof that for all of Trump's empty promises, Open Borders to A Welfare State will not be hindered in any way, and the hordes of third world invaders have gotten the invitation to invade us, and so they are.
While Democrats are waiting at the border to register them all to vote.
Kiss your country goodbye, it's already a dead man walking. Math does not lie.
Math doesn't lie but people on this forum do, frequently.
The truth is the caravan is imploding. These people have no resources and are still thousands of miles from the border. They are sleeping with almost no cover, getting sick and tired and a large fraction have begun to break off with nowhere to go.
It is a sad thing, a massive case of people abuse. I have no doubt that the whole march was funded and organized by democrats and Soros people. They originally gave money and encouragement; got these poor people on the road and have essentially abandoned them with no resources or help.
It is horrible and all of the idiots blaming Trump or Republicans for it do not have a clue.
And, by the way, even the press has abandoned the marchers. It's become more fun to talk about the bomb packages which, by the way have harmed no one.
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Math doesn't lie but people on this forum do, frequently.
The truth is the caravan is imploding. These people have no resources and are still thousands of miles from the border. They are sleeping with almost no cover, getting sick and tired and a large fraction have begun to break off with nowhere to go.
It is a sad thing, a massive case of people abuse. I have no doubt that the whole march was funded and organized by democrats and Soros people. They originally gave money and encouragement; got these poor people on the road and have essentially abandoned them with no resources or help.
It is horrible and all of the idiots blaming Trump or Republicans for it do not have a clue.
And, by the way, even the press has abandoned the marchers. It's become more fun to talk about the bomb packages which, by the way have harmed no one.
Excellent point @Emjay
The media can go wall-to-wall 24/7 with stories and headlines right now tying Trump to a cold, calculating, serial bomber. Why wait for the caravan story to unfold? Its only real value to the media is in its potential to harm the Republicans in the midterms.
But, this bomber story...has the media salivating. It’s boffo, it’s now, it’s scary without any real danger or consequence for average Americans.
But, it sure fills CNN’s bill. You might say, it’s tailor-made.
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It is horrible and all of the idiots blaming Trump or Republicans for it do not have a clue.
Oh really???
We've been watching this same stupid show over and over and over again - WITH THE SAME EXACT RESULTS.
Your boy Trump is no more committed to ending the migrant invasion and closing the borders than Bush or Obama were. He's doing the same damn thing they are.
And when this next 'caravan get here', we will be doing the same exact thing that is happening today - only on a grander scale.
Camp of the Saints is here.
Federal officials release more migrant families (into USA) at the border, citing an uptick
President Donald Trump’s administration is releasing thousands of Central American families after briefly detaining them at the border, overwhelming nonprofits from El Paso to San Diego who are suddenly scrambling to find them temporary housing and transportation to their final destination.
...The agency “no longer has the capacity†to conduct the additional review procedure without risking the violation of how long minors can be detained, an ICE spokeswoman said in a statement.
As a result, starting on Columbus Day weekend in Arizona, and now expanding to across the southern border, families are being freed en masse in greater numbers than before, with the burden of providing temporary shelter and travel coordination falling solely to nonprofits.
White House officials have characterized the bottleneck at the border as the fault of too many families and not enough space to hold them.
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Excellent point @Emjay
The media can go wall-to-wall 24/7 with stories and headlines right now tying Trump to a cold, calculating, serial bomber. Why wait for the caravan story to unfold? Its only real value to the media is in its potential to harm the Republicans in the midterms.
But, this bomber story...has the media salivating. It’s boffo, it’s now, it’s scary without any real danger or consequence for average Americans.
But, it sure fills CNN’s bill. You might say, it’s tailor-made.
Absolutely and Fox is going with it 24-7 also. They've now arrested some nerdy looking guy in Florida who (of course) drives around in a vehicle so plastered with Trump regalia that it is highly noticeable.
Except for suspicious timing ... right before the election ... I would guess that this is a lone nut case, but, because of the timing, I'm guessing that he was goaded to do this by some leftist forces.
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Math doesn't lie but people on this forum do, frequently.
The truth is the caravan is imploding. These people have no resources and are still thousands of miles from the border. They are sleeping with almost no cover, getting sick and tired and a large fraction have begun to break off with nowhere to go.
It is a sad thing, a massive case of people abuse. I have no doubt that the whole march was funded and organized by democrats and Soros people. They originally gave money and encouragement; got these poor people on the road and have essentially abandoned them with no resources or help.
It is horrible and all of the idiots blaming Trump or Republicans for it do not have a clue.
And, by the way, even the press has abandoned the marchers. It's become more fun to talk about the bomb packages which, by the way have harmed no one.
If indeed the caravans were imploding Trump wouldn't tweet about the masses heading our way, nor would he have agreed to allow these people to apply for asylum and UN place them.
To come out and say that people in this forum lie, when they, just like you are gathering information from various different news sources and posting them along with their links, I find that pretty offensive and really uncalled for @Emjay. Do you know for a fact as to why the press has abandoned reporting on the caravans? Perhaps the Trump administration themselves have asked for silence...who knows? Perhaps the DEMS felt that the stories are doing them more harm them good and have asked for silence. Have you yourself witnessed the caravans imploding??
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If indeed the caravans were imploding Trump wouldn't tweet about the masses heading our way, nor would he have agreed to allow these people to apply for asylum and UN place them.
To come out and say that people in this forum lie, when they, just like you are gathering information from various different news sources and posting them along with their links, I find that pretty offensive and really uncalled for @Emjay. Do you know for a fact as to why the press has abandoned reporting on the caravans? Perhaps the Trump administration themselves have asked for silence...who knows? Perhaps the DEMS felt that the stories are doing them more harm them good and have asked for silence. Have you yourself witnessed the caravans imploding??
I posted a story from a reliable source about the pathetic state of the caravans and I don't remember saying that people on this forum lie. If I said 'lie' I apologize but I certainly think many are deeply prejudiced and misinformed.
I don't know for a fact why the press does anything, but you will admit it is hard to find a story about the caravan in the last two days. The press has moved on to the next bright, shiny object which they think is the bomb story.
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I posted a story from a reliable source about the pathetic state of the caravans and I don't remember saying that people on this forum lie. If I said 'lie' I apologize but I certainly think many are deeply prejudiced and misinformed.
I don't know for a fact why the press does anything, but you will admit it is hard to find a story about the caravan in the last two days. The press has moved on to the next bright, shiny object which they think is the bomb story.
Quote from: Emjay on Today at 01:30:32 PM
Math doesn't lie but people on this forum do, frequently.
Really @Emjay? Go back and read your post. I copied and paste. End of discussion.
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I posted a story from a reliable source about the pathetic state of the caravans and I don't remember saying that people on this forum lie.
@Emjay
Some of them do. Amazing...
(https://i.imgur.com/zlSKcof.jpg)
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@Emjay
Some of them do. Amazing...
(https://media.giphy.com/media/pQmWjYrz39YAg/giphy.gif)
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I've said it before, and I'm betting I'll say it again... posting history can be a real bitch. But, whatever, as long as the shit gets stirred up well. Party on Wayne.
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Quote from: Emjay on Today at 01:30:32 PM
Math doesn't lie but people on this forum do, frequently.
Really @Emjay? Go back and read your post. I copied and paste. End of discussion.
Well, @libertybele, I guess you got me but you will notice I didn't name anyone in particular so whoever took it personally, well ...
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Oh really???
We've been watching this same stupid show over and over and over again - WITH THE SAME EXACT RESULTS.
Your boy Trump is no more committed to ending the migrant invasion and closing the borders than Bush or Obama were. He's doing the same damn thing they are.
And when this next 'caravan get here', we will be doing the same exact thing that is happening today - only on a grander scale.
Camp of the Saints is here.
The only thing sad about it is these people are guilty of child abuse. Sadly the U.N. and other sympathy pushers encourage child abuse. Any sane person would know a 3, 4, 5-10 year old is not capable of walking from Honduras to the U.S. Not even the adults have the stamina. Anyone with children know that just is torture. They gather in a group of people they don't even know. People from the group have verified a criminal element.
Common among people coming to the U.S. illegally is human trafficking, rape, murder and extortion. And believe me the more tired, the more people will be looking for ways to be trucked in. Thus extortion, human trafficking, rape and murder.
Its the same for people bringing their children through the desert with their small children. Child abuse.
These people have been offered asylum from the Mexican government. To stay in the two most southern states where they are. Promised jobs and health. They could end the torture they are putting their children through. But no. They don't want it. They are going for the bigger bag of benefits in the U.S.
If the UN wanted to be helpful they would step in to save the children. Step in with UN forces to stop the child abuse. Stop the caravan in its track. Make it absolutely clear anyone who does not want to return to Honduras must take the Mexican deal. Otherwise they will be deported.
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Well, @libertybele, I guess you got me but you will notice I didn't name anyone in particular so whoever took it personally, well ...
Its the way you roll. You don't name them but by your words give the clues to make it obvious. Then you pull this.
Whatever Emjay.
Very little of you.
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Its the way you roll. You don't name them but by your words give the clues to make it obvious. Then you pull this.
Whatever Emjay.
Very little of you.
Don't you mean 'small' Chosen Daughter? I misspoke. I should have said willfully wrong and absolutely willing to spread wrong information.
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Don't you mean 'small' Chosen Daughter? I misspoke. I should have said willfully wrong and absolutely willing to spread wrong information.
small is too kind. Tiny better describes it. Seems like a game to you.
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After yesterday you chose to start this up again? Why?
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Any thread that goes over 10 pages inevitably descends into feuding. It should be a policy to close threads that go that long, unless, of course, they are about Roy Moore.
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After yesterday you chose to start this up again? Why?
I apologize. I just get tired of it. I will refrain.
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Any thread that goes over 10 pages inevitably descends into feuding. It should be a policy to close threads that go that long, unless, of course, they are about Roy Moore.
Not by itself it doesn't. Someone(s) start it.
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:pop41:
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Party on Garth.
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https://www.amnestyusa.org/most-dangerous-journey-what-central-american-migrants-face-when-they-try-to-cross-the-border/ (https://www.amnestyusa.org/most-dangerous-journey-what-central-american-migrants-face-when-they-try-to-cross-the-border/)
https://news.un.org/en/story/2018/10/1024222 (https://news.un.org/en/story/2018/10/1024222)
UNICEF warns the long and difficult journey to the U.S. border has left the children "exposed to inclement weather, including dangerously hot temperatures, with limited access to proper shelter."
The agency added that while many of the migrants are fleeing violence or poverty in their home countries, "the journey is long, uncertain and full of danger, including the risk of exploitation, violence and abuse."
https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2018/10/26/world/americas/ap-lt-migrant-caravan-the-latest.html (https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2018/10/26/world/americas/ap-lt-migrant-caravan-the-latest.html)
My question is why, when they know the dangers to children’s health and well being don’t they stop it? They want to report on child abuse and do nothing to stop it?
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Any thread that goes over 10 pages inevitably descends into feuding. It should be a policy to close threads that go that long, unless, of course, they are about Roy Moore.
Wrong, @Emjay Invariably, in my experience, just about any Thread that goes over 5 pages becomes a utility for Briefers to discuss just about anything and 9 times out of 10 it is as 'worthy' of thought than more mundane details relating to the OP.
I applaud and am thankful the Mods usually tolerate the meanderings that is US, at least until someone picks at a scab that should have healed years ago and causes a Lock AND I'm not pointing fingers at ANYONE. :grouphug:
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Wrong, @Emjay Invariably, in my experience, just about any Thread that goes over 5 pages becomes a utility for Briefers to discuss just about anything and 9 times out of 10 it is as 'worthy' of thought than more mundane details relating to the OP.
I applaud and am thankful the Mods usually tolerate the meanderings that is US, at least until someone picks at a scab that should have healed years ago and causes a Lock AND I'm not pointing fingers at ANYONE. :grouphug:
I've noticed that, no matter the length of the thread, gripes about the moderating start when one side or the other starts getting their heads handed to them. Just look at the comments to the Mod on this thread.
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I've noticed that, no matter the length of the thread, gripes about the moderating start when one side or the other starts getting their heads handed to them. Just look at the comments to the Mod on this thread.
@Cyber Liberty
Well, I'm probably going to get called out for a post elsewhere, and I'll take my lumps, lol.
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@Cyber Liberty
Well, I'm probably going to get called out for a post elsewhere, and I'll take my lumps, lol.
I think you've always been upfront about taking lumps. rrthree
(At least you didn't call Briefers liars, then deny it before the cock crows.)
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Wrong, @Emjay Invariably, in my experience, just about any Thread that goes over 5 pages becomes a utility for Briefers to discuss just about anything and 9 times out of 10 it is as 'worthy' of thought than more mundane details relating to the OP.
I applaud and am thankful the Mods usually tolerate the meanderings that is US, at least until someone picks at a scab that should have healed years ago and causes a Lock AND I'm not pointing fingers at ANYONE. :grouphug:
@corbe Hey, I know what you're doing there and I still love you.
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U.S. Moving Military Equipment to Southern Border in Preparation for Migrant Caravan, Mattis Says
http://time.com/5437152/united-states-southern-border-military/ (http://time.com/5437152/united-states-southern-border-military/)
The U.S. military has already begun delivering jersey barriers to the southern border in conjunction with plans to deploy active duty troops there, U.S. Defense Secretary Jim Mattis said Sunday as a caravan of Central Americans slowly heads across Mexico toward the United States.Mattis told reporters traveling with him that details of the deployment are still being worked out but he should have them Sunday night. They will include exactly how many forces are needed.The additional troops will provide logistical and other support to the Border Patrol, and will bolster the efforts of the approximately 2,000 National Guard forces already there. The new forces are expected to provide logistical assistance such as air support and equipment, including vehicles and tents.National Guard troops routinely perform those same functions, so it is not clear why active duty forces are being used.
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"Jersey Barriors" (from Wiki):
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0e/Road_block.jpg)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/af/Dora_Baghdad_soldiers.jpg/1280px-Dora_Baghdad_soldiers.jpg)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f7/HK_West_Kln_Austin_Road_West_Sidewalk_n_Traffic_Control_1.JPG/1024px-HK_West_Kln_Austin_Road_West_Sidewalk_n_Traffic_Control_1.JPG)
That'll stop 'em. Do they think the assault is coming in a truck, on a road?
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U.S. Moving Military Equipment to Southern Border in Preparation for Migrant Caravan, Mattis Says
http://time.com/5437152/united-states-southern-border-military/ (http://time.com/5437152/united-states-southern-border-military/)
The U.S. military has already begun delivering jersey barriers to the southern border in conjunction with plans to deploy active duty troops there, U.S. Defense Secretary Jim Mattis said Sunday as a caravan of Central Americans slowly heads across Mexico toward the United States.Mattis told reporters traveling with him that details of the deployment are still being worked out but he should have them Sunday night. They will include exactly how many forces are needed.The additional troops will provide logistical and other support to the Border Patrol, and will bolster the efforts of the approximately 2,000 National Guard forces already there. The new forces are expected to provide logistical assistance such as air support and equipment, including vehicles and tents.National Guard troops routinely perform those same functions, so it is not clear why active duty forces are being used.
WTF? The 2000 NG unarmed forces that are already there? It sounds like these will be more pencil pushers.
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WTF? The 2000 NG unarmed forces that are already there? It sounds like these will be more pencil pushers.
More like getting pushers to push the pencil pushers. Not to worry, they're bringing "Jersey Barriers." *****rollingeyes*****
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More like getting pushers to push the pencil pushers. Not to worry, they're bringing "Jersey Barriers." *****rollingeyes*****
Dude, when I'm president you are totally going to be my secretary of war.
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WTF? The 2000 NG unarmed forces that are already there? It sounds like these will be more pencil pushers.
Hey, if we haven't already shut down the border over uncontrolled illegal immigration, massive and damaging drug traffic, human trafficking, gun running, rampant abuse and sometimes murder of federal officers, auto theft and other crimes, and on and on, why the hell would we shut it down for a mere 10,000 more "asylum seekers"?
I sure would like to be wrong about this one, but I'm not hopeful.
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"Jersey Barriors" (from Wiki):
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0e/Road_block.jpg)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/af/Dora_Baghdad_soldiers.jpg/1280px-Dora_Baghdad_soldiers.jpg)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f7/HK_West_Kln_Austin_Road_West_Sidewalk_n_Traffic_Control_1.JPG/1024px-HK_West_Kln_Austin_Road_West_Sidewalk_n_Traffic_Control_1.JPG)
That'll stop 'em. Do they think the assault is coming in a truck, on a road?
What???? No pink? No rainbows? How bigoted of them!
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What???? No pink? No rainbows? How bigoted of them!
A little paint, a couple throw pillows. It'll be rad. rrthree
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Hey, if we haven't already shut down the border over uncontrolled illegal immigration, massive and damaging drug traffic, human trafficking, gun running, rampant abuse and sometimes murder of federal officers, auto theft and other crimes, and on and on, why the hell would we shut it down for a mere 10,000 more "asylum seekers"?
I sure would like to be wrong about this one, but I'm not hopeful.
I am remembering Trump's campaign website, where there was a bunch of nonsensical bullshit about illegal immigration; a bunch of words that meant whatever the reader wanted them to mean. I think we may be finding out that we're actually getting the nonsensical bullshit. Like you, I hope I'm wrong.
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This time they mean it. They're bringing a 3-4 foot tall plastic wall. pointing-up
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Hey, if we haven't already shut down the border over uncontrolled illegal immigration, massive and damaging drug traffic, human trafficking, gun running, rampant abuse and sometimes murder of federal officers, auto theft and other crimes, and on and on, why the hell would we shut it down for a mere 10,000 more "asylum seekers"?
I sure would like to be wrong about this one, but I'm not hopeful.
Still waiting for the staunch Trump supporters to weigh in on this one. Obviously they are giving him a pass on this as well. Oh ... that's right ... I'm just a Trump hater ... or so they tell me. :shrug:
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“The final key to the way I promote is bravado. I play to people's fantasies. People may not always think big themselves. but they can get very excited by those who do. That is why a little hyperbole never hurts. People want to believe that something is the biggest, the greatest and the most spectacular.â€
― Donald J. Trump, Trump: The Art of the Deal
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Still waiting for the staunch Trump supporters to weigh in on this one. Obviously they are giving him a pass on this as well. Oh ... that's right ... I'm just a Trump hater ... or so they tell me. :shrug:
I'm not putting all of this on Trump. He's only been on the scene for the last two years. The feds have been allowing, even encouraging this for the last 40+ years.
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I am remembering Trump's campaign website, where there was a bunch of nonsensical bullshit about illegal immigration; a bunch of words that meant whatever the reader wanted them to mean. I think we may be finding out that we're actually getting the nonsensical bullshit. Like you, I hope I'm wrong.
Surely..... (no Shirley jokes, please).... you don't mean....
that instead of dazzling us with brilliance... (you know the rest)...lol.
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“The final key to the way I promote is bravado. I play to people's fantasies. People may not always think big themselves. but they can get very excited by those who do. That is why a little hyperbole never hurts. People want to believe that something is the biggest, the greatest and the most spectacular.â€
― Donald J. Trump, Trump: The Art of the Deal
And when you get right down to it.... especially when it concerns promises from government and from politicians...
it really is all about what people WANT to believe.
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And when you get right down to it.... especially when it concerns promises from government and from politicians...
it really is all about what people WANT to believe.
@XenaLee
Yep, pretty much, because you won't get much else.
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“The final key to the way I promote is bravado. I play to people's fantasies. People may not always think big themselves. but they can get very excited by those who do. That is why a little hyperbole never hurts. People want to believe that something is the biggest, the greatest and the most spectacular.â€
― Donald J. Trump, Trump: The Art of the Deal
His book is full of stuff like that. Intent to bull shit others into being suckers. If you put the comment into the context of illegal immigration it seems plausible. That's a whole lot of fantasies.
Suppose Trump is taking Americans for a ride. The whole immigration thing being empty rhetoric. Illegal immigration is at unprecedented levels. Suppose his goal was self. To become the President of the United States. To use it to make money in his other businesses.
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Its the way you roll. You don't name them but by your words give the clues to make it obvious. Then you pull this.
Whatever Emjay.
Very little of you.
Same damn thing as Hillary calling Trump supporters "deplorables", but we knew it extended beyond that.
There's no doubt that AT's on TBR took the same attitude when I use the term Orange Brigadiers.
Can't have one without the other, it's being inconsistent and obtuse.
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small is too kind. Tiny better describes it. Seems like a game to you.
Trying to play six dimensional chess, and it's not working.
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I'm not putting all of this on Trump. He's only been on the scene for the last two years. The feds have been allowing, even encouraging this for the last 40+ years.
I am...he volunteered for the job as CinC, and all that goes with it, just as any person who steps into the Presidency.
My limited perspective comes from my time in the military. The day I stepped into a particular job, such as platoon leader or battery commander, everything that my unit did, or failed to do, was my responsibility. It was a hard lesson for a 22 YO barely out of college, but I learned from it.
So I don't want to hear any excuses from Trump or his supporters.
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His book is full of stuff like that. Intent to bull shit others into being suckers. If you put the comment into the context of illegal immigration it seems plausible. That's a whole lot of fantasies.
Suppose Trump is taking Americans for a ride. The whole immigration thing being empty rhetoric. Illegal immigration is at unprecedented levels. Suppose his goal was self. To become the President of the United States. To use it to make money in his other businesses.
I agree with your first paragraph.
Not sure about the second. The guy's got more money than he's got a use for, and could make it faster NOT being POTUS. I mean, once you can afford one aircraft carrier, what's the point of a second?
I believe POTUS simply served one of two goals. The first would be ego. The second would be that he loves this country and wants to give back (though I tend to disagree on many of his methods).
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His book is full of stuff like that. Intent to bull shit others into being suckers. If you put the comment into the context of illegal immigration it seems plausible. That's a whole lot of fantasies.
Suppose Trump is taking Americans for a ride. The whole immigration thing being empty rhetoric. Illegal immigration is at unprecedented levels. Suppose his goal was self. To become the President of the United States. To use it to make money in his other businesses.
See Robert J Ringer Winning Through Intimidation. Same basic tactical plan.
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See Robert J Ringer Winning Through Intimidation. Same basic tactical plan.
It’s nice to see his critics acknowledging that Trump is winning victories for everyday Americans.
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His book is full of stuff like that. Intent to bull shit others into being suckers. If you put the comment into the context of illegal immigration it seems plausible. That's a whole lot of fantasies.
Suppose Trump is taking Americans for a ride. The whole immigration thing being empty rhetoric. Illegal immigration is at unprecedented levels. Suppose his goal was self. To become the President of the United States. To use it to make money in his other businesses.
Suppose Trump IS taking Americans for a ride. That should be a consideration from all of us. So far placing unarmed guards at the border and sending troops in to help process paperwork for asylum is NOT resolving the illegal immigration problem, building a wall nor preventing further caravans from coming here.
Listening to what he says is one thing. Watching what he does is quite another and I find it really surprising that people refuse to acknowledge what is going on. When the Trump says one thing, yet does another, that should open one's eyes. The Trumpsters in here have stated that he's got this under control and is waiting for the next move on this. Really? Unarmed guards at the border is NOT having things under control!
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I am...he volunteered for the job as CinC, and all that goes with it, just as any person who steps into the Presidency.
My limited perspective comes from my time in the military. The day I stepped into a particular job, such as platoon leader or battery commander, everything that my unit did, or failed to do, was my responsibility. It was a hard lesson for a 22 YO barely out of college, but I learned from it.
So I don't want to hear any excuses from Trump or his supporters.
:amen: and :amen: He IS Commander in Chief and he has the RESPONSIBILITY and took an oath to defend and protect this country! He has the full authority to do so.
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So much angst, so much bullshit --- all about a plan that hasn't been presented yet.
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So much angst, so much bullshit --- all about a plan that hasn't been presented yet.
Emote first. When the predicted sky fall fails to materialize then deny, deny, deny. “Hey, I was just playing around. “
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Do folks here really believe we are going to open fire on unarmed people that will include women and children at the front of the line?
Are you seriously that naive to believe that it's only women and children in this caravan? I haven't seen any yet.
If you think this is some kind of mercy convoy you're really not up to date on who is coming this way. Hint: It's not the nest and brightest from those nations coming this way.
...But use live bullets? No. We are not going to do that.
And that's a shame too.
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WTF? The 2000 NG unarmed forces that are already there? It sounds like these will be more pencil pushers.
No not pencil pushers.
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Are you seriously that naive to believe that it's only women and children in this caravan? I haven't seen any yet.
If you think this is some kind of mercy convoy you're really not up to date on who is coming this way. Hint: It's not the nest and brightest from those nations coming this way.
And that's a shame too.
In the news videos I'm seeing, it is over 90% males in that caravan. And since they are determined to invade the USA and come here illegally, I would have no problem with live fire being used as a deterrent. Whatever it takes.
When are the idiots going to get it through their thick skulls that we ARE at war. The caravan is merely another tool that the radical left is using against us.
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In the news videos I'm seeing, it is over 90% males in that caravan. And since they are determined to invade the USA and come here illegally, I would have no problem with live fire being used as a deterrent. Whatever it takes.
When are the idiots going to get it through their thick skulls that we ARE at war. The caravan is merely another tool that the radical left is using against us.
Saw a man being interviewed this morning that wasn't NOT from Central or South America that was in the caravan talking about coming to this "continent" to try and make it to either the U.S. or Canada.
There are multi time deported criminals...MS-13 types...and no telling what other kind of dregs of society heading this way...and not all of them Spanish speaking if you know what I mean.
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Saw a man being interviewed this morning that wasn't NOT from Central or South America that was in the caravan talking about coming to this "continent" to try and make it to either the U.S. or Canada.
There are multi time deported criminals...MS-13 types...and no telling what other kind of dregs of society heading this way...and not all of them Spanish speaking if you know what I mean.
There is no denying that there are radical enemies of America in and among that caravan. If they are allowed in by current law and/or by Trump..... ALL Americans will be less safe going forward.. and government will have, once again and as usual, failed to do its main job and function, which is to protect the citizens of this country. Not to mention how it will prompt and encourage millions more to make that trek. There needs to be some serious blow-back for these people for even TRYING to invade us. Especially under false pretenses... ie the false claim that they are seeking refuge and asylum (most have admitted they just need jobs).
They better thank God that I'm not the one in charge...lol. I know that this is war (already). Just wondering when (if ever) the PTBs will catch up to that reality.
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There is no denying that there are radical enemies of America in and among that caravan. If they are allowed in by current law and/or by Trump..... ALL Americans will be less safe going forward.. and government will have, once again and as usual, failed to do its main job and function, which is to protect the citizens of this country. Not to mention how it will prompt and encourage millions more to make that trek. There needs to be some serious blow-back for these people for even TRYING to invade us. Especially under false pretenses... ie the false claim that they are seeking refuge and asylum (most have admitted they just need jobs).
They better thank God that I'm not the one in charge...lol. I know that this is war (already). Just wondering when (if ever) the PTBs will catch up to that reality.
QFT
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I agree with your first paragraph.
Not sure about the second. The guy's got more money than he's got a use for, and could make it faster NOT being POTUS. I mean, once you can afford one aircraft carrier, what's the point of a second?
I believe POTUS simply served one of two goals. The first would be ego. The second would be that he loves this country and wants to give back (though I tend to disagree on many of his methods).
I have a confession to make. I posted that because it was outrageous but wanted to provoke thought.
I do think that ego is involved. I also believe that Trump has used the inflated tactics mentioned in the book to gain his following. In other words the talk has been tough but the action isn't. He has built on the fantasy of bringing illegal immigration to a halt. It won't.
It was absolutely known that the Trump properties are built with illegal immigrants. He can say he doesn't hire them because the contractors do. But he never voiced any concern about illegal immigrants being used in his constructions.
As for business advantage. Of course in his business he will gain. When he goes back to private life his business, and the business of his kids will have benefited greatly. The only thing that I posted I don't believe is that he did it purely for his business. The only thing we really have to work on is his previous interviews about government and his thoughts on politics to work with. I remember a lot of condemnation on Iraq war but I don't remember America First.
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Suppose Trump IS taking Americans for a ride. That should be a consideration from all of us. So far placing unarmed guards at the border and sending troops in to help process paperwork for asylum is NOT resolving the illegal immigration problem, building a wall nor preventing further caravans from coming here.
Like much else, everything with Trump is window dressing, Reality TV mirages, superficiality and fascades designed to create illusions and to cause everyone to keep talking about him, good or bad.
Not much in the way of hard substance outside of what his fanbase insists, which is just a straw hut on a sand bar waiting for the next Democrat hurricane to erode it all away the same way he tossed it together. The dock pilings of his SCOTUS confirmations will probably be all that remains, and possibly the only lasting legacy beyond the negative garbage the media will make hard history.
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As much as I wish Gov Abbott would deploy combat units from the 36ID to the border and patrol with armed Bradley Fighting Vehicles and such...it’s not gonna happen.
What I think we are going to see in the way of NG and AD troops are more logistical and support units to relieve the Border Patrol of some of the “beans and bullets†things so they can concentrate on capturing the bad guys trying to come across the border. You may also see some intel assets providing drone flights and ISR (intel surveillance and reconnaissance) as well as some military police who specialize in detainee operations.
All of that frees up BP agents to patrol and protect the border.
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I'm still hoping Trump can/will do the right thing on the border. It's too soon to tell yet.
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As much as I wish Gov Abbott would deploy combat units from the 36ID to the border and patrol with armed Bradley Fighting Vehicles and such...it’s not gonna happen.
What I think we are going to see in the way of NG and AD troops are more logistical and support units to relieve the Border Patrol of some of the “beans and bullets†things so they can concentrate on capturing the bad guys trying to come across the border. You may also see some intel assets providing drone flights and ISR (intel surveillance and reconnaissance) as well as some military police who specialize in detainee operations.
All of that frees up BP agents to patrol and protect the border.
Call me cynical.... but what good does it do to continue to put our Border Control guys' lives at risk... when current laws equate to them wasting their time and efforts via 'catch and release'?
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And, good morning @txradioguy. Good to see you.
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I'm still hoping Trump can/will do the right thing on the border. It's too soon to tell yet.
This might help.... if true.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/military-to-deploy-5-000-troops-to-southern-border-u-s-officials-say-1540820650?mod=djemalertNEWS (https://www.wsj.com/articles/military-to-deploy-5-000-troops-to-southern-border-u-s-officials-say-1540820650?mod=djemalertNEWS)
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Suspend all immigration.
Close the border. Seal it. No one in for the duration of this crisis while new procedures and policies are developed to permit limited immigration via new guidelines.
Anyone who attempts to cross the border and gain entry will be considered a hostile and shot.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with that course of action, except from those who want the damn borders open to the welfare state and those who emote and do not think.
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This might help.... if true.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/military-to-deploy-5-000-troops-to-southern-border-u-s-officials-say-1540820650?mod=djemalertNEWS (https://www.wsj.com/articles/military-to-deploy-5-000-troops-to-southern-border-u-s-officials-say-1540820650?mod=djemalertNEWS)
This?
U.S. troops later expect to support border officials by doing things like building tents, providing medical support and helping staff command and control centers.
Under the latest plans, about 1,800 troops will go to Texas, 1,700 to Arizona and 1,500 to California. The troops will be drawn from about 10 U.S. Army installations and consist largely of military police and engineers, one of the U.S. officials said. U.S. Marines also will be deployed, the U.S. official said.
I don't see how this is helpful, unless processing the "immigrants" is the goal. And, I repeat...again...the border is very dangerous and if the bad guys down there feel the military is impeding their traffic, it will become bad for our troops.
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This?
I don't see how this is helpful, unless processing the "immigrants" is the goal. And, I repeat...again...the border is very dangerous and if the bad guys down there feel the military is impeding their traffic, it will become bad for our troops.
The border control guys are the ones that have put their lives on the line every day down there. Let's hope that the mere presence of the US military will make most of these invaders rethink their attempt to cross into the USA. And yeah, I do think our military is more than ready and equipped to deal with the drug cartel azholes.
The additional troops would mean that the number of U.S. forces deployed at the border would be greater than those currently in Syria and Iraq, and roughly half of those deployed in Afghanistan.
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Ah, so this is what happened at the Mexican border:
Mexican police briefly tried to block the road and convince the migrants to apply for asylum in Mexico on Saturday
But human rights officials soon convinced the police to break up the blockade. They are seen above opening the road
Yeah, very helpful of them.
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Call me cynical.... but what good does it do to continue to put our Border Control guys' lives at risk... when current laws equate to them wasting their time and efforts via 'catch and release'?
Why? Because like those of us in the military they took an oath and have a job to do in support of that oath no matter how dangerous or frustrating the job may be as times because of politics.
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The border control guys are the ones that have put their lives on the line every day down there. Let's hope that the mere presence of the US military will make most of these invaders rethink their attempt to cross into the USA. And yeah, I do think our military is more than ready and equipped to deal with the drug cartel azholes.
@XenaLee, I hear you, but I'm not sure most of us understand the situation down there. We have been in a virtual, undeclared war for many years, and one in which the US has made sure we won't win. It's bad, very bad down there.
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And, good morning @txradioguy. Good to see you.
Good morning from Colorado @Sanguine...good to see you too.
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It’s nice to see his critics acknowledging that Trump is winning victories for everyday Americans.
Actually, my poiint had nothing to do with Trump winning or losing, but how he is playing the game. If you had read Ringer's book, you would be able to see that.
He has done some good things, and here and there (like pushing for E15 fuel) punked the pooch, imho.
Maybe he can declare an emergency and start building the wall from the most likely border 'landfall' of the eye of the 'caravan and go east and west from there.
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@XenaLee, I hear you, but I'm not sure most of us understand the situation down there. We have been in a virtual, undeclared war for many years, and one in which the US has made sure we won't win. It's bad, very bad down there.
I know its bad. And unless or until we change our stupid laws (catch and release, chain migration, etc.)... it will continue. All I DO know for sure... is that unless Trump manages to stop this caravan of invaders from entering the USA, he is toast politically.
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Good morning from Colorado @Sanguine...good to see you too.
Good Morning from Utah (working there), @txradioguy ! Good to 'see' you, too!
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Good Morning from Utah (working there), @txradioguy ! Good to 'see' you, too!
@Smokin Joe morning! You get any snow yet? We’re supposed to get some tomorrow.
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@Smokin Joe morning! You get any snow yet? We’re supposed to get some tomorrow.
We got some back home before I left for this job, but we've only had rain here at the 'lower' elevations in Utah (near Moab). There has been snow on the Mountains to the east the whole time I have been down here. Where are you in Colorado?
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We got some back home before I left for this job, but we've only had rain here at the 'lower' elevations in Utah (near Moab). There has been snow on the Mountains to the east the whole time I have been down here. Where are you in Colorado?
Colorado Springs for the next three years at Ft. Carson. I finally managed to escape Ft. Knox.
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Colorado Springs for the next three years at Ft. Carson. I finally managed to escape Ft. Knox.
Good for you! I hope you enjoy the Front Range.
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Latest Trump tweet....
Many Gang Members and some very bad people are mixed into the Caravan heading to our Southern Border. Please go back, you will not be admitted into the United States unless you go through the legal process. This is an invasion of our Country and our Military is waiting for you!
Uhhh..... and their attempt to overwhelm our immigration system via this massive invasion will be met with... what, exactly? Rewarding bad behavior? Insanity! How the hell is that 'stopping them'?
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Latest Trump tweet.... you will not be admitted into the United States unless you go through the legal process.
Uhhh..... and their attempt to overwhelm our immigration system via this massive invasion will be met with... what, exactly? Rewarding bad behavior? Insanity! How the hell is that 'stopping them'?
It's not.
But you are supposed to believe that all his words and tweets means that he is serious about stopping it.
Even when he has no intentions to, beyond whipping up his fanbase at rallies.
What? Did you miss his promise to put a big fat beautiful revolving door in the middle of his 'wall' so people could come on in after they are sent out?
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It's not.
But you are supposed to believe that all his words and tweets means that he is serious about stopping it.
Even when he has no intentions to, beyond whipping up his fanbase at rallies.
What? Did you miss his promise to put a big fat beautiful revolving door in the middle of his 'wall' so people could come on in after they are sent out?
Judging by how many career/hardened criminals I've seen that have already been deported multiple times.... I'd have to say that there already IS a revolving door there.
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Judging by how many career/hardened criminals I've seen that have already been deported multiple times.... I'd have to say that there already IS a revolving door there.
Has been for years/decades. This is what has to be fixed.
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Has been for years/decades. This is what has to be fixed.
How? It doesn't appear as if the will is really there TO fix it.
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Judging by how many career/hardened criminals I've seen that have already been deported multiple times.... I'd have to say that there already IS a revolving door there.
It's not big, beautiful and golden in it's edifice.
Trump will make it so.
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Sounds like the military are setting up medical tents, etc for the incoming horde. Very hospitable of us.
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How? It doesn't appear as if the will is really there TO fix it.
You have your finger on the nub of the problem. It's similar to a lot of problems with this government.
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Sounds like the military are setting up medical tents, etc for the incoming horde. Very hospitable of us.
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Sounds like the military are setting up medical tents, etc for the incoming horde. Very hospitable of us.
Not to sound harsh....
but if it was up to me....
they'd be setting up facilities for mortuary services. (hey, at least I'm honest....)
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Not to sound harsh....
but if it was up to me....
they'd be setting up facilities for mortuary services. (hey, at least I'm honest....)
They sure as bleep wouldn't be received into a field hospital.
We have a family friend who is a traveling nurse who right now it up in New York City. She said she treated 5 illegals today with measles. Today.
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Update from DOD here: http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,338241.0.html (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,338241.0.html)
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They sure as bleep wouldn't be received into a field hospital.
We have a family friend who is a traveling nurse who right now it up in New York City. She said she treated 5 illegals today with measles. Today.
Which is fine. As long as what you treat them with sorta kinda well no really, makes them stop breathing.
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Which is fine. As long as what you treat them with sorta kinda well no really, makes them stop breathing.
You know that's not happening. She was pissed that she had to treat these illegals when there were citizens that had to wait because of it.
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They sure as bleep wouldn't be received into a field hospital.
We have a family friend who is a traveling nurse who right now it up in New York City. She said she treated 5 illegals today with measles. Today.
Since many of the caravan travelers are from other nations (other than south or central Amerca)...
there is no telling what diseases are coming (and have already come) into our country. Yet another failure of our government to do its main job... what we depend upon... what we pay our tax money for primarily....
safety.
No....such... thing... any more.
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Well, to try and throw some perspective at this, over 2400 abortions happened in the U.S PER DAY in 2016.
So why not abort this mongrel migrant caravan?
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They sure as bleep wouldn't be received into a field hospital.
We have a family friend who is a traveling nurse who right now it up in New York City. She said she treated 5 illegals today with measles. Today.
Some might think that treating them with measles is a bit harsh, but I say if they weren't here she wouldn't be forced to do it.
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Some might think that treating them with measles is a bit harsh, but I say if they weren't here she wouldn't be forced to do it.
Don't be silly, that would be treating them "to" measles.
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Since many of the caravan travelers are from other nations (other than south or central Amerca)...
there is no telling what diseases are coming (and have already come) into our country. Yet another failure of our government to do its main job... what we depend upon... what we pay our tax money for primarily....
safety.
No....such... thing... any more.
:amen:
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Well, to try and throw some perspective at this, over 2400 abortions happened in the U.S PER DAY in 2016.
So why not abort this mongrel migrant caravan?
All life is sacred... except when it comes to what behooves the radical leftist agenda to destroy.
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All life is sacred... except when it comes to what behooves the radical leftist agenda to destroy.
There should be little doubt that among the illegals, migrants, caravan crusaders, or border hoppers, whatever you want to call them there is a criminal element as well as terrorist that will inflict some kind of harm to some of our legal citizens, not to mention the economic burden that they will present.
Bottom line, IMHO the U.S. government under Trump's leadership as Commander in Chief, by not arming the border and telling these people flat out that NO ONE will gain entry into this country, is putting ALL of us at some kind of risk. He should have also made it abundantly very clear that our border will be armed and those coming across will be seen as an enemy of this country and will be dealt with accordingly, including being fired upon.
He's done nothing even close!! So far, it looks like he's duped a lot of his supporters who believed him about illegal immigration, amnesty and the wall. What he said isn't what he's doing.
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All life is sacred... except when it comes to what behooves the radical leftist agenda to destroy.
There is Irony there:
If they hadn't supported aborting at least 30,000,000 of the demographic most likely to vote Democrat, they'd be running the show by now! :silly:
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an invasion :silly:
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There is Irony there:
If they hadn't supported aborting at least 30,000,000 of the demographic most likely to vote Democrat, they'd be running the show by now! :silly:
Nobody will ever accuse them of being logical OR of having common sense....lol. They truly are their own worst enemies (thus far).
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There is Irony there:
If they hadn't supported aborting at least 30,000,000 of the demographic most likely to vote Democrat, they'd be running the show by now! :silly:
I've used that argument with liberals for over 20 years, and it stops them in their tracks.
OTOH, I rarely argue with liberals anymore, it's a waste of time.
O/T, my 16 YO son is coming around. He was telling me they watched a video of the recent debate sponsored by Reason magazine, on capitalism vs. socialism. He obviously delved into the magazine, reading some of Nick Gillespie's fine work...he's now one of Nick's newest fans.
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No. And you're not going to stop tens of thousands of this first wave of the invasion from coming into this country and pillaging it either.
For all this garbage you people pushed about Trump being this mystical and miraculous savior of the country - this 'fighter' you pretend that he is - you get to watch the loss of your country in his watch, and you will justify it simply to prop up the empty suit you made your prince.
This horde has been on the verge of coming for awhile now. This invasion has been planned and funded by Leftist players like George Soros--who instigated the Syrian-North African invasion that befell Europe. The difference is that Trump opposes the invasion while Clinton would be waving them through the border.
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No. And you're not going to stop tens of thousands of this first wave of the invasion from coming into this country and pillaging it either.
For all this garbage you people pushed about Trump being this mystical and miraculous savior of the country - this 'fighter' you pretend that he is - you get to watch the loss of your country in his watch, and you will justify it simply to prop up the empty suit you made your prince.
A big shout-out to @Timothy Dennis for quoting this today...would have missed it.
1) President Trump IS a miraculous savior of the country. And you can't stand it.
Where would we be today if the winner of the popular vote resided in the White House today?
You never fail to disappoint. The tallest dwarf in the house, @INVAR
2) President Trump has proven to being the strongest advocate of Conservative principles the Republican party has seen/heard since Reagan. And yes, that even, includes spending/borrowing on future income...like any businessman/developer would.
That's to keep the tired argument that deficit spending isn't 'Conservative' out of here. No squirrels allowed.
Smaller government, less regulation has unleashed the fiercest bull employment boom in most voters' lifetime.
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BTW, just as I predicted in here back in the day when Krugman was doing 'Chicken Little' at the prospect of a "Trump presidency".
A historical economic boom...bigger than Pres. Reagan's.
Our girl Friday @RoosGirl can go look it up. 333cleo
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This horde has been on the verge of coming for awhile now. This invasion has been planned and funded by Leftist players like George Soros--who instigated the Syrian-North African invasion that befell Europe. The difference is that Trump opposes the invasion while Clinton would be waving them through the border.
Big whoopdie-do if Trump "opposes" the invasion on Twitter and in rallies for the faithful. His actions thus-far do not coincide with his rhetoric outside of window dressing.
Let us see if we are going to be treated to nothing more than a giant Trump fart of bombastic words with no substance, just like like his Mexico-funded wall he promised his adoring fanbase.
Let's see if Trump actually does more than placating the outrage with ineffective window dressing.
I know where his party stands on open borders to a welfare state, and thus far, given what Trump had done with the caravan that got in here last Spring and dispersed among us, I think we shall have just more of the same gaseous expelling of anal gas out Trump's mouth with not even any stool to go along with it.
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1) President Trump IS a miraculous savior of the country. And you can't stand it.
I will be forever openly hostile to idiots and imbeciles who declare men their national saviors and messiahs.
You can count on that. Because such a mob are always nothing more than wannabe tyrants themselves, as long as it's their Caesar and king in power.
You never fail to disappoint. The tallest dwarf in the house, @INVAR
Glad I can be of service.
2) President Trump has proven to being the strongest advocate of Conservative principles the Republican party has seen/heard since Reagan.
There are 4.25 Trillion reasons just this year alone in debt spending and Democrat funding that says such a statement is abject bullshit.
And yes, that even, includes spending/borrowing on future income...like any businessman/developer would.
Like a good little Leftist and Liberal, you think stealing money from our grandchildren to have shit today put on credit for tomorrows as far as the eye can fathom is somehow the mark of a good businessman.
Smaller government, less regulation has unleashed the fiercest bull employment boom in most voters' lifetime.
Where is this 'smaller government' that just got handed multiple trillions of dollars to fund the entirety of the Democrat agenda???
It's all a figment of your mind and euphoria while you construct even better justifications for Statism and Liberalism as long as you declare it Conservative.
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Seems we have a small disagreement here, ostensibly about president Trump, but in reality it’s about the nature of reality. No, really.
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I will be forever openly hostile to idiots and imbeciles who declare men their national saviors and messiahs.
Okay. But no one here has done this.
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Okay. But no one here has done this.
No, they just declare themselves the saviors of the nation and the rest of us, because they support Trump.
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,337448.msg1827361.html#msg1827361 (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,337448.msg1827361.html#msg1827361)
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No, they just declare themselves the saviors of the nation and the rest of us, because they support Trump.
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,337448.msg1827361.html#msg1827361 (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,337448.msg1827361.html#msg1827361)
He does deserve credit where credit is due and a huge pat on the back for some things, but I still think it is absolutely a huge mistake giving him a free pass on everything he does or says.
Trump is not God, I some think that he just may be the new Superman (as some think). For me, this is the issue that I feel is going to define his Presidency and his staunch supporters will know if they've been duped or not; how he handles the 14,000 or so coming at us. He can make all the speeches he wants to and he can say all kinds of things that people may want to hear ... I'm waiting to see what action he actually takes. Then I will determine whether or not he's Superman or just a good used car salesman.
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No, they just declare themselves the saviors of the nation and the rest of us, because they support Trump.
Well, the Trump Train did stop Hillary. :shrug:
But no supporter of the President considers himself or the President a "savior" in the way you're using it. Victorious against all odds, yes, "savior", no. Throwing this out is just extreme hyperbole that accomplishes nothing.
Hopefully you'll end this exercise in futility. It's tiresome and divisive.
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Tax Cuts before the Midterms
14th Amendment EO
Gazillion Troops on the Border
I smell Midterm BS.
*he deserves credit if the GOP keeps the House, though nothing will change.
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But no supporter of the President considers himself or the President a "savior" in the way you're using it. Victorious against all odds, yes, "savior", no. Throwing this out is just extreme hyperbole that accomplishes nothing.
You used the word ‘saving’ twice in that post to refer to the nation and the rest of us who dare look askance at the man. I’m the one engaging in hyperbole? OK.
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It is hyper BS.
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Okay. But no one here has done this.
President Trump IS a miraculous savior of the country.
I guess you missed it.
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I guess you missed it.
You're trying so desperately to make @DCPatriot 's statement blasphemy against Jesus Christ. You need to stop doing this, you're sounding foolish --- to put it kindly.
The word "savior" can be and is used in contexts other than religious... this was one of them.
But you already know this.
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Considering what Trump’s accomplished as an outsider vilified in the media to historical levels, yeah miraculous almost covers it.
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You used the word ‘saving’ twice in that post to refer to the nation and the rest of us who dare look askance at the man. I’m the one engaging in hyperbole? OK.
One can use the word "saving" without blaspheming God---which is the usual reason around here for bringing up this word.
As to your other point, like it or not the Trump Train *did* save this country from Hillary Clinton so there's really no reason for you to be angry with me --- unless, of course, you are displeased with Hillary's loss. :shrug:
In any case, please stop trying so hard to condemn me by trying to stir shit where there isn't any.
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One can use the word "saving" without blaspheming God---which is the usual reason around here for bringing up this word.
As to your other point, like it or not the Trump Train *did* save this country from Hillary Clinton so there's really no reason for you to be angry with me --- unless, of course, you are displeased with Hillary's loss. :shrug:
In any case, please stop trying so hard to condemn me by trying to stir shit where there isn't any.
:silly: Oh man, thank you, I needed that laugh.
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:silly: Oh man, thank you, I needed that laugh.
Well, shut-ins are easy to entertain. As always, I'm happy to help fill some of the many and obvious voids in your life. :beer:
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It is hyper BS.
Which one?
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Well, shut-ins are easy to entertain. As always, I'm happy to help fill some of the many and obvious voids in your life. :beer:
You complete me.
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You complete me.
You win. I'm out. :seeya:
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One can use the word "saving" without blaspheming God---which is the usual reason around here for bringing up this word.
As to your other point, like it or not the Trump Train *did* save this country from Hillary Clinton so there's really no reason for you to be angry with me --- unless, of course, you are displeased with Hillary's loss. :shrug:
You’ve got me confused with the Hawaiian political weathervane.
In any case, please stop trying so hard to condemn me by trying to stir shit where there isn't any.
Oh, trust me. Anywhere you post, there’s plenty.
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Let's try and elevate the thinking here @edpc Any news and/or opinion I post, you are going to disagree with. This is simply your worldview on display. But your disagreeing with something does not make that something shit.
Really good advice. Really good. You should take it.
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Really good advice. Really good. You should take it.
I second the motion!
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Oh, trust me. Anywhere you post, there’s plenty.
Oh, you know I won't do this .... I don't trust liberals. :shrug:
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Oh, you know I won't do this .... I don't trust liberals. :shrug:
:facepalm2:
You should have stuck with the previous post you pulled. This one really is shit.
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And here we see a detailed view of when trump unleashed the fiercest bull employment boom in most voters' lifetime.
(https://data.bls.gov/generated_files/graphics/CES0000000001_80773_1541037854678.gif)
And then, to show how historic these gains are [note: label should include the word "gains"]
(https://d3fy651gv2fhd3.cloudfront.net/charts/united-states-non-farm-payrolls.png?s=nfp+tch&v=201810051257y&d1=19180101&d2=20181231)
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You're trying so desperately to make @DCPatriot 's statement blasphemy against Jesus Christ.
His own words that he posted speak for themselves.
I'm just pointing out and quoting what he posted.
But of course, like all good party hacks that have to spin and lie and distort in order to push whatever bullshit narrative you are attempting to sell, you show them all that they are mere amateurs in comparison.
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Really good advice. Really good. You should take it.
Well if you think that is great advice you will really love this advice....
(https://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset/5bad1bf625000032003764cd.jpeg?ops=scalefit_960_noupscale)
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Well if you think that is great advice you will really love this advice....
(https://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset/5bad1bf625000032003764cd.jpeg?ops=scalefit_960_noupscale)
I dunno, I suspect there are a few people here that have been eating the toothpaste.
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I dunno, I suspect there are a few people here that have been eating the toothpaste.
You talking about my minty fresh breath?
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You talking about my minty fresh breath?
It makes you so kissable.
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I dunno, I suspect there are a few people here that have been eating the toothpaste.
It could be worse......
(https://s.yimg.com/lo/api/res/1.2/l2W9K6zja.A4GW5duDG_Xg--~B/YXBwaWQ9eWlzZWFyY2g7Zmk9Zml0O2dlPTAwNjYwMDtncz0wMEEzMDA7aD00MDA7dz03MTI-/https://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com/2016/04/urinal-cakes.jpg?w=748&h=420&crop=1.cf.jpg)
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This thread, like many others, has become another circle-fest in a phonebooth.
Twist words. Ignore context.
Any lucid human being can see that President Trump has saved this Republic's ass.
And it's not even 2 years in.
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It makes you so kissable.
@RoosGirl @Sanguine can we have more details on that? It's a slow night at this dump.
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It makes you so kissable.
888mouth
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It could be worse......
(https://s.yimg.com/lo/api/res/1.2/l2W9K6zja.A4GW5duDG_Xg--~B/YXBwaWQ9eWlzZWFyY2g7Zmk9Zml0O2dlPTAwNjYwMDtncz0wMEEzMDA7aD00MDA7dz03MTI-/https://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com/2016/04/urinal-cakes.jpg?w=748&h=420&crop=1.cf.jpg)
I took my granddaughter into a portapotti once, and she saw that little cake and before I could stop her she was rubbing it over her hands telling me that it was the hand-washer. We had to go to a sink and scrub for a while before I let her go. Blech!
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@RoosGirl @Sanguine can we have more details on that? It's a slow night at this dump.
DCP is talking about asses. Might be more interesting.
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DCP is talking about asses. Might be more interesting.
I don't care about asses talking. I want to know more about chicks kissing.
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I don't care about asses talking. I want to know more about chicks kissing.
I can do better than telling you about it. I've got pictures for you.
(https://static.greatbigcanvas.com/images/singlecanvas_thick_none/getty-images/two-yellow-baby-chicks-kissing-in-front-of-flowers-,1132808.jpg?mw=540&mh=500&max=540)
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I can do better than telling you about it. I've got pictures for you.
(https://static.greatbigcanvas.com/images/singlecanvas_thick_none/getty-images/two-yellow-baby-chicks-kissing-in-front-of-flowers-,1132808.jpg?mw=540&mh=500&max=540)
Thank God. The Queen of Banality has arrived.
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Thank God. The Queen of Banality has arrived.
It's good to be the queen.
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It's good to be the queen.
(https://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset/5bad1bf7260000330080ceec.jpeg?ops=scalefit_960_noupscale)
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This thread, like many others, has become another circle-fest in a phonebooth.
Twist words. Ignore context.
Any lucid human being can see that President Trump has saved this Republic's ass.
And it's not even 2 years in.
Ooops! It's that topic thang. pointing-up
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Considering what Trump’s accomplished as an outsider vilified in the media to historical levels, yeah miraculous almost covers it.
Unprecedented levels? Did you miss Watergate? And no one's calling him "Chimpy Bush McHitler" yet....
Lest we forget, the left has been a little more nasty than socially acceptable toward virtually every Republican or Conservative since Tailgunner Joe. Trump isn't being picked on, the culture has become more crass, and the media is just doing what leftist media do.
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What the hell is all this spam about Trump? This is the advice section....
(https://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset/5bad1bf7210000e700c67600.jpeg?ops=scalefit_960_noupscale)