Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4

[Right_in_Virginia]

Retrieve the backup?  Sorry, I'm not following.  I provided your claim.  Show me it didn't originate with you.

I need the full contex.  Sometimes links are included in other posts nearby.   If this is too much to ask, it's okay.  I understand.

Thanks.

[libertybele]

Trump's thinking outside the box .... trying to end generations upon generations of war ---- And you don't do this by sending in the usual clowns to rehash the same worn out proposals. 

Trump's trying to move the needle from war to new alliances forged in the arena of commerce.  We should be wishing him luck, not ridiculing his judgement.

Jared IS one of Trump's usual clowns; of course he's his SIL who advised him during his first administration, so perhaps that family connection is still prodding him and also allowing him to cloud his judgement for one reason or another. No, I cannot pat Trump on the back for sending in Jared.

I didn't like his choice of Jared during his first administration and I certainly don't like his choice of Jared now.

[Hoodat]

I need the full contex.  Sometimes links are included in other posts nearby.   If this is too much to ask, it's okay.  I understand.

Thanks.

<sigh>

Ok. I'll type slowly. 

You posted this here:  https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?topic=581106.msg3316347#msg3316347

@libertybele immediately responded her with your quote included:  https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?topic=581106.msg3316355#msg3316355

You responded here, citing the NY Times as the source of your information:  https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?topic=581106.msg3316360#msg3316360

I investigated the source myself, and found no mention of Gaza or the West Bank.  I immediately assumed that you made that part up yourself since you have over a decade of history here doing exactly that, not to mention your considerable bias against Netanyahu and against the Jewish State in general.

Based on my likely assumption, I offered a correction here:  https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?topic=581106.msg3317081#msg3317081

You questioned my correction here:  https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?topic=581106.msg3317088#msg3317088

And I retyped your exact words here:  https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?topic=581106.msg3317119#msg3317119

At which point you wanted to know where I got [your] claim from, even though this was one continuous conversation that began with your quote.  The only way that happens is if you operate off of making up shit in your head and then losing track of the lies you post since they were never based on anything factual.

Capisce?

[BobfromWB]

<sigh>

Ok. I'll type slowly. 

You posted this here:  https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?topic=581106.msg3316347#msg3316347

@libertybele immediately responded her with your quote included:  https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?topic=581106.msg3316355#msg3316355

You responded here, citing the NY Times as the source of your information:  https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?topic=581106.msg3316360#msg3316360

I investigated the source myself, and found no mention of Gaza or the West Bank.  I immediately assumed that you made that part up yourself since you have over a decade of history here doing exactly that, not to mention your considerable bias against Netanyahu and against the Jewish State in general.

Based on my likely assumption, I offered a correction here:  https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?topic=581106.msg3317081#msg3317081

You questioned my correction here:  https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?topic=581106.msg3317088#msg3317088

And I retyped your exact words here:  https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?topic=581106.msg3317119#msg3317119

At which point you wanted to know where I got [your] claim from, even though this was one continuous conversation that began with your quote.  The only way that happens is if you operate off of making up shit in your head and then losing track of the lies you post since they were never based on anything factual.

Capisce?

 

[libertybele]

<sigh>

Ok. I'll type slowly. 

You posted this here:  https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?topic=581106.msg3316347#msg3316347

@libertybele immediately responded her with your quote included:  https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?topic=581106.msg3316355#msg3316355

You responded here, citing the NY Times as the source of your information:  https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?topic=581106.msg3316360#msg3316360

I investigated the source myself, and found no mention of Gaza or the West Bank. I immediately assumed that you made that part up yourself since you have over a decade of history here doing exactly that, not to mention your considerable bias against Netanyahu and against the Jewish State in general.

Based on my likely assumption, I offered a correction here:  https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?topic=581106.msg3317081#msg3317081

You questioned my correction here:  https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?topic=581106.msg3317088#msg3317088

And I retyped your exact words here:  https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?topic=581106.msg3317119#msg3317119

At which point you wanted to know where I got [your] claim from, even though this was one continuous conversation that began with your quote.  The only way that happens is if you operate off of making up shit in your head and then losing track of the lies you post since they were never based on anything factual.

Capisce?

Interesting.  Yes, I have also detected a definite bias against Bibi and the Jewish State.  With that being said, @Right_in_Virginia I have always defended your right to your opinion.  Enough said.

[mystery-ak]

Qatar's Ministry of Foreign Affairs condemned Iranian attacks on Kuwait and Bahrain in a Saturday statement, calling them "a blatant violation of the sovereignty of both countries and a flagrant violation of international law."

"The Ministry of Foreign Affairs stresses the need to spare the region the repercussions of these unjustified attacks and to work towards de-escalation in order to restore regional and international security and stability," the statement read.

"The Ministry reiterates the State of Qatar's full solidarity with the State of Kuwait and the Kingdom of Bahrain and its support for all measures they take to preserve their sovereignty and security," the statement concluded.
Posted by Robert McGreevy

[BobfromWB]

Is Iran’s claim about having a nuclear weapon just false bravado?

Reported intel from Pakistan states that Iran DOES have a weapon and DOES intend to use it if the conflict continues.

Excerpt:

Reported intel from Pakistan states that Iran DOES have a weapon and DOES intend to use it if the conflict continues.

If Pakistan’s claim is true, in addition to how Iran intends to “demonstrate” its weapon, is the question of just how many such devices Iran might have? Pakistan’s report is contrary to what U.S. intelligence has long indicated - repeatedly telling us Iran was only on the verge of a breakthrough concerning the technology. But, if it is so armed, there is no room for error in predicting what its leadership now might do.

While Iran lacks an intercontinental missile capability and thus is unable to target the U.S. mainland, other options remain available to effect such a demonstration. This includes targeting Israel, or a U.S. base closer to home. It could even include attacking a fellow Muslim country as Iran has already shown by striking out at Kuwait - claiming it was in retaliation for an earlier U.S. attack ...

An important warning to the West was left behind by Iran’s first Supreme Leader - the Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini (1979-1989) - about not fearing nuclear retaliation by the West. He declared, “We do not worship Iran, we worship Allah. For patriotism is another name for paganism. I say let Iran go up in smoke, provided Islam emerges triumphant in the rest of the world.”


https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2026/06/is_iran_s_claim_about_having_a_nuclear_weapon_just_false_bravado.html

[libertybele]

Qatar's Ministry of Foreign Affairs condemned Iranian attacks on Kuwait and Bahrain in a Saturday statement, calling them "a blatant violation of the sovereignty of both countries and a flagrant violation of international law."

"The Ministry of Foreign Affairs stresses the need to spare the region the repercussions of these unjustified attacks and to work towards de-escalation in order to restore regional and international security and stability," the statement read.

"The Ministry reiterates the State of Qatar's full solidarity with the State of Kuwait and the Kingdom of Bahrain and its support for all measures they take to preserve their sovereignty and security," the statement concluded.
Posted by Robert McGreevy

Iran could care less if they are breaking international law. It obviously means nothing to them, nor does the ceasefire or any agreements that they may have reached with the U.S.

[libertybele]

Is Iran’s claim about having a nuclear weapon just false bravado?

Reported intel from Pakistan states that Iran DOES have a weapon and DOES intend to use it if the conflict continues.

Excerpt:

Reported intel from Pakistan states that Iran DOES have a weapon and DOES intend to use it if the conflict continues.

If Pakistan’s claim is true, in addition to how Iran intends to “demonstrate” its weapon, is the question of just how many such devices Iran might have? Pakistan’s report is contrary to what U.S. intelligence has long indicated - repeatedly telling us Iran was only on the verge of a breakthrough concerning the technology. But, if it is so armed, there is no room for error in predicting what its leadership now might do.

While Iran lacks an intercontinental missile capability and thus is unable to target the U.S. mainland, other options remain available to effect such a demonstration. This includes targeting Israel, or a U.S. base closer to home. It could even include attacking a fellow Muslim country as Iran has already shown by striking out at Kuwait - claiming it was in retaliation for an earlier U.S. attack ...

An important warning to the West was left behind by Iran’s first Supreme Leader - the Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini (1979-1989) - about not fearing nuclear retaliation by the West. He declared, “We do not worship Iran, we worship Allah. For patriotism is another name for paganism. I say let Iran go up in smoke, provided Islam emerges triumphant in the rest of the world.”


https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2026/06/is_iran_s_claim_about_having_a_nuclear_weapon_just_false_bravado.html

IIRC before the U.S. bombed Iran, Trump claimed that Iran was just weeks away from having a nuclear weapon.  So .... what intel  does he need to finish what was started and stop them?  He has repeatedly stated that Iran must never have a nuclear weapon.

So has this become a political mid term concern?  OR is the U.S. not in a military position to win this conflict?

[mystery-ak]

https://twitter.com/NiohBerg/status/2063227948342141185

[Right_in_Virginia]

Interesting.  Yes, I have also detected a definite bias against Bibi and the Jewish State.  With that being said, @Right_in_Virginia I have always defended your right to your opinion.  Enough said.

I do not have a "bias against Bibi" @libertybele  I simply ask tough questions, post reports others routinely piss on  (not necessarily you  ) because pissing is easier than discussing.

I don't know why we are expected to blindly accept every morsal of PR from Netanyahu as unbridled truth.  I don't know why we are not permitted to ask about Netanyahu and his government the same questions we ask of any other leader and his/her government --- but the vast Republican/conservative majority is loathe to do so.

Right here, it's apparently easier and more satisfying to make me the subject of personal insults that travel from thread to thread --- simply for wanting to discuss the costs v  benefits of continuing our blanket financial, diplomatic and military guardianship of Benjamin Netanyahu and his regime.

It seems there's palpable fear of a robust debate, and in my memory this is a first for conservatives.  I just don't "get" it. 

[Right_in_Virginia]

Jared IS one of Trump's usual clowns;

Okay, now I'm stumped.  Who do you hate, Jared or the President @libertybele   

[libertybele]

I do not have a "bias against Bibi" @libertybele  I simply ask tough questions, post reports others routinely piss on  (not necessarily you  ) because pissing is easier than discussing.

I don't know why we are expected to blindly accept every morsal of PR from Netanyahu as unbridled truth.  I don't know why we are not permitted to ask about Netanyahu and his government the same questions we ask of any other leader and his/her government --- but the vast Republican/conservative majority is loathe to do so.

Right here, it's apparently easier and more satisfying to make me the subject of personal insults that travel from thread to thread --- simply for wanting to discuss the costs v  benefits of continuing our blanket financial, diplomatic and military guardianship of Benjamin Netanyahu and his regime.

It seems there's palpable fear of a robust debate, and in my memory this is a first for conservatives.  I just don't "get" it. 

Nope, I don't accept everything we hear about Bibi as the truth.  Though when multiple, credible, news sources report on him, I tend to believe their accuracy to a certain degree.

His people were slaughtered on October 7 -- his revenge has been justified and I also feel necessary to keep his people safe from being slaughtered again. 

Debating is one thing, I just don't feel that the NYT is a very credible source.  You may wish to give them credence, I don't.

I am open to debate @Right_in_Virginia though admittedly, you are far better at debating than I, that however, doesn't make me fear debating you.  Not in the least.

[Right_in_Virginia]

<sigh>

Ok. I'll type slowly. 

You posted this here:  https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?topic=581106.msg3316347#msg3316347

@libertybele immediately responded her with your quote included:  https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?topic=581106.msg3316355#msg3316355

You responded here, citing the NY Times as the source of your information:  https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?topic=581106.msg3316360#msg3316360

I investigated the source myself, and found no mention of Gaza or the West Bank.  I immediately assumed that you made that part up yourself since you have over a decade of history here doing exactly that, not to mention your considerable bias against Netanyahu and against the Jewish State in general.

Based on my likely assumption, I offered a correction here:  https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?topic=581106.msg3317081#msg3317081

You questioned my correction here:  https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?topic=581106.msg3317088#msg3317088

And I retyped your exact words here:  https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?topic=581106.msg3317119#msg3317119

At which point you wanted to know where I got [your] claim from, even though this was one continuous conversation that began with your quote.  The only way that happens is if you operate off of making up shit in your head and then losing track of the lies you post since they were never based on anything factual.

Capisce?

Thank you for the reply.   

[Right_in_Virginia]

Nope, I don't accept everything we hear about Bibi as the truth.  Though when multiple, credible, news sources report on him, I tend to believe their accuracy to a certain degree.

His people were slaughtered on October 7 -- his revenge has been justified and I also feel necessary to keep his people safe from being slaughtered again. 

Debating is one thing, I just don't feel that the NYT is a very credible source.  You may wish to give them credence, I don't.

I am open to debate @Right_in_Virginia though admittedly, you are far better at debating than I, that however, doesn't make me fear debating you.  Not in the least.

Thanks for the reply @libertybele   I appreciate your effort.

[libertybele]

Okay, now I'm stumped.  Who do you hate, Jared or the President @libertybele   

??? I don't hate President Donald J. Trump.   Notta.  I have posted, numerous links (some were taken down) years ago, revealing that Jared and Joshua's (his brother) start up money for Cadre (sp?) came from Soros -- in short, it also gave him a boost into his real estate dealings -- he was negligent several times in disclosing that $$ and companies while he was in the WH and IIRC was fined. 

As a note:  I have gone back and tried to retrace Jared's allegiance to Soros and the board members of particular companies/foundations (including Jared himself) and that information has been wiped from internet searches.  So that makes me very suspect of him.

Then there's his dealings with the Saudis -- ..... he made millions.   So excuse me if I don't trust the snake ... I didn't then and I sure as heck don't now.

[Hoodat]

Thank you for the reply.   

So again, can you please reveal your source for that statement?  Or should we all conclude that you made it up yourself?

[Hoodat]

His people were slaughtered on October 7 -- his revenge has been justified and I also feel necessary to keep his people safe from being slaughtered again. 

Keep in mind that the poster you are responding to actually blamed Netanyahu for October 7.

All without bias, of course.

[mystery-ak]

Gen. Jack Keane says US won't throw Iran a lifeline

Retired Gen. Jack Keane outlined the U.S. strategy in ongoing negotiations with Iran, explaining that the U.S. has no plans to offer concessions to the Islamic Republic that would unfreeze assets during a Saturday morning appearance on Fox News' "Saturday In America."

"What we're trying to achieve in the negotiations is pretty simple; We want our maximalist demands that we would achieve if we were using military force. That is what we want from the regime," Keane said.

"We don't intend to throw then a lifeline and unfreeze frozen assets to them and give them billions of dollars so that they can recover, reverse the tenants and implementations of the deal and go back to where they were," he concluded.

Recent stalls in U.S.-Iran negotiations have tempered expectations raised by a May 28 Axios report, which claimed the sides had agreed to a memorandum of understanding (MOU), pending President Donald Trump's approval.

That MOU reportedly included a provision to issue sanction waivers and allow Iran to sell oil freely, according to Axios. The sanction relief, according to the outlet, would have to be proportional to Iran's willingness to allow commercial shipping in the Strait of Hormuz to resume.

But Iran, according to The Jerusalem Post and other sources, balked at the proposal and demanded immediate release of their frozen assets, an ask the Trump Administration has yet to fulfill.

In fact, the Trump Treasury Department's Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC) issued a fresh round of sanctions on Iranian liquified natural gas (LNG) networks Friday targeting "Iran’s shadow fleet, shadow banking networks, and access to global trade," Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent said in a statement.
Posted by Robert McGreevy

[mystery-ak]

White House says Trump won’t rush into ‘bad deal’ with Iran

White House principal deputy press secretary Anna Kelly said Saturday that President Donald Trump “isn’t going to rush into a bad deal” with Iran as negotiations continue over Tehran’s nuclear program.

“The president isn’t going to rush into a bad deal, and he’s been very clear that his red lines are Iran can never possess a nuclear weapon,” Kelly said during an appearance on “Fox News Live.”

“They can’t keep this enriched uranium that would be quickly improved to produce a nuclear weapon,” she added. “So Americans can rest assured any deal is going to be a good deal for the United States, and it’s going to protect our national security here in the short term, in the long term.”

Kelly’s comments come as tensions remain high in the Middle East following recent U.S. strikes on Iranian radar sites and ongoing clashes between Israel and Hezbollah in Lebanon.
Posted by Jasmine Baehr

[verga]

Is Iran’s claim about having a nuclear weapon just false bravado?

Reported intel from Pakistan states that Iran DOES have a weapon and DOES intend to use it if the conflict continues.

Excerpt:

Reported intel from Pakistan states that Iran DOES have a weapon and DOES intend to use it if the conflict continues.

If Pakistan’s claim is true, in addition to how Iran intends to “demonstrate” its weapon, is the question of just how many such devices Iran might have? Pakistan’s report is contrary to what U.S. intelligence has long indicated - repeatedly telling us Iran was only on the verge of a breakthrough concerning the technology. But, if it is so armed, there is no room for error in predicting what its leadership now might do.

While Iran lacks an intercontinental missile capability and thus is unable to target the U.S. mainland, other options remain available to effect such a demonstration. This includes targeting Israel, or a U.S. base closer to home. It could even include attacking a fellow Muslim country as Iran has already shown by striking out at Kuwait - claiming it was in retaliation for an earlier U.S. attack ...

An important warning to the West was left behind by Iran’s first Supreme Leader - the Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini (1979-1989) - about not fearing nuclear retaliation by the West. He declared, “We do not worship Iran, we worship Allah. For patriotism is another name for paganism. I say let Iran go up in smoke, provided Islam emerges triumphant in the rest of the world.”


https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2026/06/is_iran_s_claim_about_having_a_nuclear_weapon_just_false_bravado.html

If this is true, the most likely sources of the new and improved technology would have to be either China, or NORK. In descending order the likely targets would have to be Israel, U.S. military base, Kuwait, or Rome.

[BobfromWB]

IIRC before the U.S. bombed Iran, Trump claimed that Iran was just weeks away from having a nuclear weapon.  So .... what intel  does he need to finish what was started and stop them?  He has repeatedly stated that Iran must never have a nuclear weapon.

So has this become a political mid term concern?  OR is the U.S. not in a military position to win this conflict?

47 has no political will to win. By the time Iran has built out its ICBM program, he'll be out of office. If they use a nuke now, there is still no political will to respond.

47 has the 250th and the midterms to get through, before he could even think of a response, that's if Ivanka & Jarred would let him. They are still manipulating 47 like they did when he was 45.

[240B]

White House says Trump won’t rush into ‘bad deal’ with Iran

ANY "DEAL" with Iran is a bad deal. It is so confusing to hear Trump say everyday that Iran's military is completely destroyed and yet Trump continues to 'negotiate' with them. Why? Negotiate about what? If Iran is utterly defeated, then why does Trump want a deal? If Iran is defeated, then why are they still firing missiles at ships and at their neighbors?

If Iran is defeated, then how is Iran "demanding" anything? And why is Trump listening to their demands and taking the demands seriously? Make it make sense.

It's like Trump is a 'rainman' character. Got to make a deal ... a deal ... must have a deal ... a deal ... a deal ... my kingdom for a deal ... a deal will fix everything ...
All I see is an abnormal fixated obsession over a trivial meaningless nothing. A good deal or a bad deal will not change a damn thing. It will make no difference.
Trump is chasing a phantom.



But I knew! I knew that if I could just make a deal. That would show them ... that would show them all!! That I can make a deal ... I can make a deal with anyone!

[libertybele]

47 has no political will to win. By the time Iran has built out its ICBM program, he'll be out of office. If they use a nuke now, there is still no political will to respond.

47 has the 250th and the midterms to get through, before he could even think of a response, that's if Ivanka & Jarred would let him. They are still manipulating 47 like they did when he was 45.

I tend to believe that he does have the will to win in Iran.  Winning is always his objective. If they were to nuke any U.S. military base or property, I believe all hell would rain down on Iran and Trump would be relentless.  U.S. casualties are not acceptable to him.

Sure, Jared is probably making some $$ over in the ME and I don't doubt that Trump knows this, or at least suspects.  IF Jared has shown any disloyalty or given Trump any false information he will put him on the back burner, regardless of what Ivanka may think.  He's put her 'opinions' aside before.

Susie Wiles may be undergoing cancer treatment, but she's still in Trump's ear and she has made comment about those in his inner circle making things look more rosy than they are and quite likely is referring to Jared.  She IMO has been a rock for Trump.

[libertybele]

ANY "DEAL" with Iran is a bad deal. It is so confusing to hear Trump say everyday that Iran's military is completely destroyed and yet Trump continues to 'negotiate' with them. Why? Negotiate about what? If Iran is utterly defeated, then why does Trump want a deal? If Iran is defeated, then why are they still firing missiles at ships and at their neighbors?

If Iran is defeated, then how is Iran "demanding" anything? And why is Trump listening to their demands and taking the demands seriously? Make it make sense.

It's like Trump is a 'rainman' character. Got to make a deal ... a deal ... must have a deal ... a deal ... a deal ... my kingdom for a deal ... a deal will fix everything ...
All I see is an abnormal fixated obsession over a trivial meaningless nothing. A good deal or a bad deal will not change a damn thing. It will make no difference.
Trump is chasing a phantom.



But I knew! I knew that if I could just make a deal. That would show them ... that would show them all!! That I can make a deal ... I can make a deal with anyone!

All I can say is that I am of the opinion that Trump is not done with Iran.  Timing may be everything.

[Cyber Liberty]

All I can say is that I am of the opinion that Trump is not done with Iran.  Timing may be everything.

I don't think Trump is done with them either, but he is more patient than I would be!  He knows a lot more about the situation than we do, and that's to be expected.

[BobfromWB]

I tend to believe that he does have the will to win in Iran.  Winning is always his objective. If they were to nuke any U.S. military base or property, I believe all hell would rain down on Iran and Trump would be relentless.  U.S. casualties are not acceptable to him.

Sure, Jared is probably making some $$ over in the ME and I don't doubt that Trump knows this, or at least suspects.  IF Jared has shown any disloyalty or given Trump any false information he will put him on the back burner, regardless of what Ivanka may think.  He's put her 'opinions' aside before.

Susie Wiles may be undergoing cancer treatment, but she's still in Trump's ear and she has made comment about those in his inner circle making things look more rosy than they are and quite likely is referring to Jared.  She IMO has been a rock for Trump.

If 47 had the political will [ not to be confused with have a will ] to win, then 47's War™ would have been over in March with an unconditional surrender, not begging Iran for some magic deal.

Who said Wiles was a good guy in all of this self-made mess? Maybe she's the problem or part of it.

[Timber Rattler]

Who said Wiles was a good guy in all of this self-made mess? Maybe she's the problem or part of it.

I honestly don't know what her roll is in all of this.  Personally, I think that Trump sits up all night binge watching the news channels, and gets spooked easily by bad reports and videos, causing him to make stupid, arbitrary statements and decisions the following mornings.

[Cyber Liberty]

I honestly don't know what her roll is in all of this.  Personally, I think that Trump sits up all night binge watching the news channels, and gets spooked easily by bad reports and videos, causing him to make stupid, arbitrary statements and decisions the following mornings.

None us are flies on the wall when Trump meets with Wiles.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

None us are flies on the wall when Trump meets with Wiles.

Yet some here with bravado declare they know what the WH/Military
are thinking and what most certainly will happen.

I for one believe there exists intelligence that the rest of us are unaware of and that actions will be much louder than blathering of what we should be doing.

[mystery-ak]

Help is not on the way..

https://twitter.com/MOSSADil/status/2063339525477191937

[libertybele]

If 47 had the political will [ not to be confused with have a will ] to win, then 47's War™ would have been over in March with an unconditional surrender, not begging Iran for some magic deal.

Who said Wiles was a good guy in all of this self-made mess? Maybe she's the problem or part of it.

There is a reason he abruptly stopped in supposedly (and I use that term lightly) trying to make a deal. Certainly he knows by now there's no deal to be made with them.  He created the blockade and he was hoping he'd be joined by many others to contribute.  As far as I can tell oour allies are slim to none which has proven to be greatly problematic -- Israel has remained steadfast though they are marching to the beat of their own drum which is completely understandable whether Trump agrees or not.

It's what's Trump is doing behind the scenes that I believe will soon come into play and at this point I have to also believe that the U.S. is reloading and recalculating.   

[libertybele]

I honestly don't know what her roll is in all of this.  Personally, I think that Trump sits up all night binge watching the news channels, and gets spooked easily by bad reports and videos, causing him to make stupid, arbitrary statements and decisions the following mornings.

Trump is a workaholic and I don't think he is glued to the TV bingeing all the fake news. 

The one true concern that I do have is the enormous amount of pressure that he's been through and going through and his age. That's life for him.  He can't change the past nor can he outrun his age.  He's been extremely fortunate so far.

[Cyber Liberty]

Yet some here with bravado declare they know what the WH/Military
are thinking and what most certainly will happen.

I for one believe there exists intelligence that the rest of us are unaware of and that actions will be much louder than blathering of what we should be doing.

Thank you!!

[Cyber Liberty]

Trump is a workaholic and I don't think he is glued to the TV bingeing all the fake news. 

The one true concern that I do have is the enormous amount of pressure that he's been through and going through and his age. That's life for him.  He can't change the past nor can he outrun his age.  He's been extremely fortunate so far.

 

[massadvj]

If this is true, how is it possible every Trump endorsed candidate across the nation has won?

The anti-war right is probably not a majority within the GOP. Most of my MAGA friends are pro-war. They want Trump to finish the job.

[Bigun]

The anti-war right is probably not a majority within the GOP. Most of my MAGA friends are pro-war. They want Trump to finish the job.

This one sure does!

[Right_in_Virginia]

Keep in mind that the poster you are responding to actually blamed Netanyahu for October 7.

All without bias, of course.

I do not know who ultimately owns the responsibility for missing the Oct 7 attack --- Mossad, the IDF, Shin Bet, Netanyahu ---- or all of them.  I do know a dozen Israelis who want to know who got it so wrong.  I do, too.

A little background ---

Israel Knew Hamas’s Attack Plan More Than a Year Ago
NY Times, Dec 2, 2023

Israeli officials obtained Hamas’s battle plan for the Oct. 7 terrorist attack more than a year before it happened, documents, emails and interviews show. But Israeli military and intelligence officials dismissed the plan as aspirational, considering it too difficult for Hamas to carry out.

The approximately 40-page document, which the Israeli authorities code-named “Jericho Wall,” outlined, point by point, exactly the kind of devastating invasion that led to the deaths of about 1,200 people.

The translated document, which was reviewed by The New York Times, did not set a date for the attack, but described a methodical assault designed to overwhelm the fortifications around the Gaza Strip, take over Israeli cities and storm key military bases, including a division headquarters.

Hamas followed the blueprint with shocking precision. The document called for a barrage of rockets at the outset of the attack, drones to knock out the security cameras and automated machine guns along the border, and gunmen to pour into Israel en masse in paragliders, on motorcycles and on foot — all of which happened on Oct. 7.

The plan also included details about the location and size of Israeli military forces, communication hubs and other sensitive information, raising questions about how Hamas gathered its intelligence and whether there were leaks inside the Israeli security establishment.

The document circulated widely among Israeli military and intelligence leaders, but experts determined that an attack of that scale and ambition was beyond Hamas’s capabilities, according to documents and officials. It is unclear whether Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu or other top political leaders saw the document, as well.

More:  https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/30/world/middleeast/israel-hamas-attack-intelligence.html

Report: Netanyahu received intel on Hamas plan to invade southern Israel as early as 2018
PM reportedly was warned about Hamas’s ‘Jericho’s Wall’ plan for large-scale attack years before Oct. 7, despite his repeated denials; source says one report was shared with PM directly
Times of Israel, Feb 10, 2026

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was presented with IDF intelligence reports detailing Hamas’s plans to invade Israel as early as April 2018, according to a Tuesday report citing intelligence documents and senior officials.

The report, published by the Ynet news site, said that between 2018 and 2022, Hamas developed a comprehensive operational blueprint for a coordinated, multifront attack against Israeli military bases and civilian communities in southern Israel. The attack plan, which was later put together in a document known as “Jericho’s Walls,” envisioned breaching the Gaza border at dozens of points and deploying thousands of fighters.

It was ultimately executed with deadly effect on October 7, 2023, when Hamas led a devastating invasion of southern Israel, killing some 1,200 people, kidnapping 251 hostages, and sparking two years of war in Gaza.

According to the report, Netanyahu — who has served as prime minister since 2009, save for 18 months in 2021-2022 — was given intelligence about Hamas’s “Jericho’s Walls” plans several times over those years, despite his repeated public denials that he had ever seen or heard of such a plan before the October 7 attack.

The earliest known transfer of the plan to Israeli leadership, according to the report, occurred in April 2018, when the Military Intelligence Directorate’s Research Division distributed a special intelligence document to senior officials. Those officials included the military secretaries of the prime minister and defense minister, the National Security Council, the heads of the Shin Bet and Mossad, and the IDF chief of staff’s office.

According to the documents cited by Ynet, the 2018 report asked the following question in its subheading: “Is Hamas’s military wing building up its force for a broad attack deep into our territory?”

Ynet said the Prime Minister’s Office did not respond to requests for comment.

Ynet said the intelligence report warned that Hamas was developing “a plan for an initiated offensive maneuver with a broad order of [troops in] battle (six reserve battalions; approximately 3,000 fighters)” aimed at overrunning IDF bases while simultaneously attacking civilian targets “in the border communities and deep inside Israel.”

The 2018 report stressed the seriousness of the threat, emphasizing that “the scope of the plan and its complexity are exceptional.” While some analysts who contributed to the report expressed doubt that Hamas could actually carry out the plan in full, they cautioned that “the plan illustrates a new and broader threat scenario than before.”

The veracity of the 2018 “Jericho’s Walls” report referenced by Ynet was confirmed by the IDF last year in a probe by its Military Intelligence Directorate of the intelligence failures leading up to the October 7 attack.

That report, presaging key elements of the October 7 attack, quoted the Hamas plan as saying that “forces from five [elite] Nukhba companies should attack and destroy the posts belonging to the [IDF] Gaza Division… everything will be done above ground… with [rocket] fire… attack the kibbutzim in order to take hostages… focus on critical sites… livestream from the posts and kibbutzim.”

According to the probe, the idea of a large-scale attack on Israel slowly became a formal plan within Hamas, and it was given official internal approval in 2019.

PM has denied knowing of the plan; senior source: ‘Netanyahu did nothing’

Netanyahu has denied receiving any intelligence that Hamas was planning a major attack during the years leading up to October 7. When questioned by State Comptroller Matanyahu Englman about it for a probe into the failures that led to the attack, the Prime Minster’s Office said that “the prime minister never received and was never briefed on the ‘Jericho’s Walls’ document” until after the war broke out, and that he was “never presented with any Hamas plan for a mass raid into Israeli territory.”

However, Netanyahu’s own published materials appear to contradict those claims. In the 55-page document he sent to the State Comptroller’s Office last week and made public, he acknowledged receiving the April 2018 intelligence report, but selectively quoted only the most restrained assessment, which stated that Hamas had “a basic capability to carry out several simultaneous raids,” but that due to various factors, “it is not likely at this time.”

Netanyahu’s document omitted the paragraph’s concluding sentence, which warned that the plan signaled the terror group’s future ambitions and that it intended to significantly build up its forces.

According to a former senior intelligence official quoted by Ynet, Netanyahu’s responsibility “was to ensure there [was] no repetition of the Military Intelligence assessment on the eve of Yom Kippur 1973,” referring to the infamous intelligence failures preceding the simultaneous Egyptian-Syrian surprise invasion of Israel that sparked the Yom Kippur war.

“Back then, intelligence said ‘low probability,’ and the political echelon simply accepted it as a binding assessment without asking questions or checking on its own,” the official added. “Any serious leader would say in this situation: You received the plan in 2018, and even if Hamas is currently far from operational capability, this must be taken into account.”

Also in 2018, IDF intelligence’s Unit 8200 obtained an Arabic-language Hamas document that outlined a sweeping assault, Ynet added. It called for “launching a comprehensive offensive operation against the Zionist entity with the aim of subduing the enemy,” including attacks on the Re’im military base, numerous Gaza border communities, and deeper targets such as Ashdod, Ashkelon, and key infrastructure sites. The plan specified that “the attack will be carried out by six battalions,” with the “main effort” conducted above ground.

The Hamas plan was also seen by Shin Bet intelligence agency, which produced its own review that highlighted its “unusual and troubling characteristics,” and was circulated to multiple bodies, including the National Security Council, which operates under the prime minister’s authority.

According to one source quoted by Ynet, the Shin Bet report was shared with Netanyahu directly.

In May of 2022, the Intelligence Directorate obtained another version of Hamas’s attack plan, this time from August 2021, and it was added to the “Jericho’s Walls” file. The plan similarly described a large number of Nukhba Force operatives breaking through the IDF Gaza Division’s defenses and reaching cities in southern Israel.

The document was shown to the IDF’s top intelligence brass at the time, and the officials concluded that the plan appeared to be unrealistic. In a November 2022 session at the Southern Command, the “Jericho’s Walls” plan was presented at the very end of a list of assessments regarding potential scenarios for the next conflict in Gaza.

Naftali Bennett and Yair Lapid served as prime ministers during most of 2022, including in May and November, while Netanyahu served as the leader of the opposition.

The following year, with Netanyahu back in office, the Intelligence Directorate obtained information on Hamas invasion training in the months before October 7, which led some members of Unit 8200 to believe that Hamas’s wide-scale invasion plans were no longer just aspirations, but a solid plan.

According to the IDF’s probes, this assessment was presented, both via emails and meetings, to intelligence officers at the Southern Command and regional officers of 8200 in southern Israel. However, the information did not reach any senior officials, including top intelligence officers.

While Netanyahu was not directly presented with the 2022 and 2023 updates to the “Jericho’s Walls” file, a senior intelligence source quoted by Ynet said, “Even if the army commanders failed to [connect the dots] themselves, the obligation of the prime minister is to demand answers regarding Hamas’s intentions.”

“Netanyahu did nothing,” the source said.

Despite documents proving that Netanyahu was presented with Hamas’s attack plans early as 2018, he has argued that the “Jericho’s Walls” plan only relates to the 2022 document presented to leadership, the only year since 2009 that he was not in power, in an attempt to distance himself from responsibility for failing to prevent the attack.

Senior intelligence officials speaking to Ynet disputed that narrative, pointing to the 2018 documents and the multiple intelligence assessments that Hamas was planning a large-scale attack for several years before October 7.

The sources also pointed to the extensive documentation procedures within the Prime Minister’s Office that track every classified document delivered for the prime minister’s review. Such documents could be subpoenaed in a state commission of inquiry into the failures of October 7, which the government, including Netanyahu, has opposed.


https://www.timesofisrael.com/report-netanyahu-received-intel-on-hamas-plan-to-invade-southern-israel-as-early-as-2018/

[Smokin Joe]

I guess the finger pointers will always find a way to blame someone, but the responsibility for the Oct. 7 attacks ultimately lies with those who attacked.

Pointing to intel failures skips those most responsible and blames others for not finding out what the evil b@st@rds were up to in time to prevent it.

[mystery-ak]

U.S. Weighs Using Frozen Iranian Assets to Repair Gulf Allies After Tehran Attacks

The Trump administration is weighing a plan to use frozen Iranian assets to help rebuild Gulf allies damaged by Tehran’s missile and drone attacks. The consideration comes even as Iranian officials demand the release of billions of dollars in those same funds as a condition for any broader agreement with Washington.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2026/06/07/u-s-weighs-using-frozen-iranian-assets-to-repair-gulf-allies-after-iranian-attacks/

[bigheadfred]

Video isn't working.

Works for me. 

[BobfromWB]

A snake at work and play:

Albanians protest Jared Kushner's resort plans in protected areas

Jared Kushner-backed luxury resort stokes days of protests in Albania

https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?topic=583562.0;topicseen

[Hoodat]

A little background ---

The NY Times again.  I'm seeing a pattern.

[Cyber Liberty]

Since @Right_in_Virginia has seen fit to block my posts, I don't bother to sift through her massive quotes from far-leftist sources.  Why bother when she won't read my responses?

[Right_in_Virginia]

The NY Times again.  I'm seeing a pattern.

The second article posted is from the Times of Israel from Feb 2026. 

In fact,  the Israeli press has been pretty good in their reporting.   If you'd like more information not from the NYT,  Ynet and the Jerusalem Post also have some thorough reporting on this subject.

[Right_in_Virginia]

I guess the finger pointers will always find a way to blame someone, but the responsibility for the Oct. 7 attacks ultimately lies with those who attacked.

Wouldn't identifying and correcting the mistakes made by Israeli Intel services and political leadership be important?

[mystery-ak]

Trump says Mojtaba Khamenei is 'more rational' than previous Iranian supreme leader

President Donald Trump says Iranian Supreme Leader Mojtaba Khamenei is "more rational" than his father, the late Ali Khamenei.

Trump made the comment during an interview with NBC News published on Sunday, telling host Kristen Welker that the new leader may be better for the U.S.

"Is this younger Khamenei any better for the United States than his father was?" Welker asked.

"Younger. I think more rational. Injured. He’s pretty badly injured. So there's a certain bravery there," Trump said. "A lot of people, if they were injured that badly, they wouldn't be talking about, you know, 'How are we doing with the United States?' They'd have other things on their mind. So there's a certain bravery there. But he is very seriously injured."

Earlier in the interview, Trump declined to say where is red line would fall on restarting military operations against Iran. He said he would think about it "very seriously" if any more American lives were lost, but noted that, "We're having very good negotiations with the people that are leading the country now."

"It's the third group that we've been dealing with. And they are different. And you could say it's regime change actually because these are very different people. I find them to be more rational, very smart," Trump said.
Posted by Anders Hagstrom

[mystery-ak]

Just Now
Trump says Iran conflict doesn't break campaign promise because it's 'not an endless war'

President Donald Trump denied that launching the Iran conflict broke his campaign promise of "no new wars" because it is not an "endless war" on Sunday.

Trump made the statement in an interview with NBC News after being pressed on the issue by host Kristen Welker.

"I didn't promise anything. I don't like these endless wars. This is not an endless war," Trump said.

"So you're saying you didn't break your promise. And yet, Mr. President, in your first term, you held to that promise and it was so fundamental to who you were as a candidate, to a first-term president. What changed, because you insisted 'no new wars'?"

"First of all, I didn't guarantee no war. Why would I have built the strongest military in the world? I built our military. I inherited a terrible military. We had no equipment. We had nothing. I built a tremendous military. Biden gave a lot of it away, but it's still a relatively small portion compared to what I built," Trump responded.

Trump went on to say that Iran was very close to developing a nuclear weapon prior to U.S. intervention, and that he was doing the world a "favor."
Posted by Anders Hagstrom

[Idiot]

Trump says Mojtaba Khamenei is 'more rational' than previous Iranian supreme leader

President Donald Trump says Iranian Supreme Leader Mojtaba Khamenei is "more rational" than his father, the late Ali Khamenei.

Trump made the comment during an interview with NBC News published on Sunday, telling host Kristen Welker that the new leader may be better for the U.S.

"Is this younger Khamenei any better for the United States than his father was?" Welker asked.

"Younger. I think more rational. Injured. He’s pretty badly injured. So there's a certain bravery there," Trump said. "A lot of people, if they were injured that badly, they wouldn't be talking about, you know, 'How are we doing with the United States?' They'd have other things on their mind. So there's a certain bravery there. But he is very seriously injured."

Earlier in the interview, Trump declined to say where is red line would fall on restarting military operations against Iran. He said he would think about it "very seriously" if any more American lives were lost, but noted that, "We're having very good negotiations with the people that are leading the country now."

"It's the third group that we've been dealing with. And they are different. And you could say it's regime change actually because these are very different people. I find them to be more rational, very smart," Trump said.
Posted by Anders Hagstrom

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Trump says Mojtaba Khamenei is 'more rational' than previous Iranian supreme leader

President Donald Trump says Iranian Supreme Leader Mojtaba Khamenei is "more rational" than his father, the late Ali Khamenei.

Trump made the comment during an interview with NBC News published on Sunday, telling host Kristen Welker that the new leader may be better for the U.S.

"Is this younger Khamenei any better for the United States than his father was?" Welker asked.

"Younger. I think more rational. Injured. He’s pretty badly injured. So there's a certain bravery there," Trump said. "A lot of people, if they were injured that badly, they wouldn't be talking about, you know, 'How are we doing with the United States?' They'd have other things on their mind. So there's a certain bravery there. But he is very seriously injured."

Earlier in the interview, Trump declined to say where is red line would fall on restarting military operations against Iran. He said he would think about it "very seriously" if any more American lives were lost, but noted that, "We're having very good negotiations with the people that are leading the country now."

"It's the third group that we've been dealing with. And they are different. And you could say it's regime change actually because these are very different people. I find them to be more rational, very smart," Trump said.
Posted by Anders Hagstrom

Trump has suddenly become Iran's biggest supporter and lobbyist.

https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?topic=581106.msg3316966#msg3316966