Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4

[Right_in_Virginia]

Retrieve the backup?  Sorry, I'm not following.  I provided your claim.  Show me it didn't originate with you.

I need the full contex.  Sometimes links are included in other posts nearby.   If this is too much to ask, it's okay.  I understand.

Thanks.

[libertybele]

Trump's thinking outside the box .... trying to end generations upon generations of war ---- And you don't do this by sending in the usual clowns to rehash the same worn out proposals. 

Trump's trying to move the needle from war to new alliances forged in the arena of commerce.  We should be wishing him luck, not ridiculing his judgement.

Jared IS one of Trump's usual clowns; of course he's his SIL who advised him during his first administration, so perhaps that family connection is still prodding him and also allowing him to cloud his judgement for one reason or another. No, I cannot pat Trump on the back for sending in Jared.

I didn't like his choice of Jared during his first administration and I certainly don't like his choice of Jared now.

[Hoodat]

I need the full contex.  Sometimes links are included in other posts nearby.   If this is too much to ask, it's okay.  I understand.

Thanks.

<sigh>

Ok. I'll type slowly. 

You posted this here:  https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?topic=581106.msg3316347#msg3316347

@libertybele immediately responded her with your quote included:  https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?topic=581106.msg3316355#msg3316355

You responded here, citing the NY Times as the source of your information:  https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?topic=581106.msg3316360#msg3316360

I investigated the source myself, and found no mention of Gaza or the West Bank.  I immediately assumed that you made that part up yourself since you have over a decade of history here doing exactly that, not to mention your considerable bias against Netanyahu and against the Jewish State in general.

Based on my likely assumption, I offered a correction here:  https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?topic=581106.msg3317081#msg3317081

You questioned my correction here:  https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?topic=581106.msg3317088#msg3317088

And I retyped your exact words here:  https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?topic=581106.msg3317119#msg3317119

At which point you wanted to know where I got [your] claim from, even though this was one continuous conversation that began with your quote.  The only way that happens is if you operate off of making up shit in your head and then losing track of the lies you post since they were never based on anything factual.

Capisce?

[BobfromWB]

<sigh>

Ok. I'll type slowly. 

You posted this here:  https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?topic=581106.msg3316347#msg3316347

@libertybele immediately responded her with your quote included:  https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?topic=581106.msg3316355#msg3316355

You responded here, citing the NY Times as the source of your information:  https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?topic=581106.msg3316360#msg3316360

I investigated the source myself, and found no mention of Gaza or the West Bank.  I immediately assumed that you made that part up yourself since you have over a decade of history here doing exactly that, not to mention your considerable bias against Netanyahu and against the Jewish State in general.

Based on my likely assumption, I offered a correction here:  https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?topic=581106.msg3317081#msg3317081

You questioned my correction here:  https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?topic=581106.msg3317088#msg3317088

And I retyped your exact words here:  https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?topic=581106.msg3317119#msg3317119

At which point you wanted to know where I got [your] claim from, even though this was one continuous conversation that began with your quote.  The only way that happens is if you operate off of making up shit in your head and then losing track of the lies you post since they were never based on anything factual.

Capisce?

 

[libertybele]

<sigh>

Ok. I'll type slowly. 

You posted this here:  https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?topic=581106.msg3316347#msg3316347

@libertybele immediately responded her with your quote included:  https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?topic=581106.msg3316355#msg3316355

You responded here, citing the NY Times as the source of your information:  https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?topic=581106.msg3316360#msg3316360

I investigated the source myself, and found no mention of Gaza or the West Bank. I immediately assumed that you made that part up yourself since you have over a decade of history here doing exactly that, not to mention your considerable bias against Netanyahu and against the Jewish State in general.

Based on my likely assumption, I offered a correction here:  https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?topic=581106.msg3317081#msg3317081

You questioned my correction here:  https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?topic=581106.msg3317088#msg3317088

And I retyped your exact words here:  https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?topic=581106.msg3317119#msg3317119

At which point you wanted to know where I got [your] claim from, even though this was one continuous conversation that began with your quote.  The only way that happens is if you operate off of making up shit in your head and then losing track of the lies you post since they were never based on anything factual.

Capisce?

Interesting.  Yes, I have also detected a definite bias against Bibi and the Jewish State.  With that being said, @Right_in_Virginia I have always defended your right to your opinion.  Enough said.

[mystery-ak]

Qatar's Ministry of Foreign Affairs condemned Iranian attacks on Kuwait and Bahrain in a Saturday statement, calling them "a blatant violation of the sovereignty of both countries and a flagrant violation of international law."

"The Ministry of Foreign Affairs stresses the need to spare the region the repercussions of these unjustified attacks and to work towards de-escalation in order to restore regional and international security and stability," the statement read.

"The Ministry reiterates the State of Qatar's full solidarity with the State of Kuwait and the Kingdom of Bahrain and its support for all measures they take to preserve their sovereignty and security," the statement concluded.
Posted by Robert McGreevy

[BobfromWB]

Is Iran’s claim about having a nuclear weapon just false bravado?

Reported intel from Pakistan states that Iran DOES have a weapon and DOES intend to use it if the conflict continues.

Excerpt:

Reported intel from Pakistan states that Iran DOES have a weapon and DOES intend to use it if the conflict continues.

If Pakistan’s claim is true, in addition to how Iran intends to “demonstrate” its weapon, is the question of just how many such devices Iran might have? Pakistan’s report is contrary to what U.S. intelligence has long indicated - repeatedly telling us Iran was only on the verge of a breakthrough concerning the technology. But, if it is so armed, there is no room for error in predicting what its leadership now might do.

While Iran lacks an intercontinental missile capability and thus is unable to target the U.S. mainland, other options remain available to effect such a demonstration. This includes targeting Israel, or a U.S. base closer to home. It could even include attacking a fellow Muslim country as Iran has already shown by striking out at Kuwait - claiming it was in retaliation for an earlier U.S. attack ...

An important warning to the West was left behind by Iran’s first Supreme Leader - the Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini (1979-1989) - about not fearing nuclear retaliation by the West. He declared, “We do not worship Iran, we worship Allah. For patriotism is another name for paganism. I say let Iran go up in smoke, provided Islam emerges triumphant in the rest of the world.”


https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2026/06/is_iran_s_claim_about_having_a_nuclear_weapon_just_false_bravado.html

[libertybele]

Qatar's Ministry of Foreign Affairs condemned Iranian attacks on Kuwait and Bahrain in a Saturday statement, calling them "a blatant violation of the sovereignty of both countries and a flagrant violation of international law."

"The Ministry of Foreign Affairs stresses the need to spare the region the repercussions of these unjustified attacks and to work towards de-escalation in order to restore regional and international security and stability," the statement read.

"The Ministry reiterates the State of Qatar's full solidarity with the State of Kuwait and the Kingdom of Bahrain and its support for all measures they take to preserve their sovereignty and security," the statement concluded.
Posted by Robert McGreevy

Iran could care less if they are breaking international law. It obviously means nothing to them, nor does the ceasefire or any agreements that they may have reached with the U.S.

[libertybele]

Is Iran’s claim about having a nuclear weapon just false bravado?

Reported intel from Pakistan states that Iran DOES have a weapon and DOES intend to use it if the conflict continues.

Excerpt:

Reported intel from Pakistan states that Iran DOES have a weapon and DOES intend to use it if the conflict continues.

If Pakistan’s claim is true, in addition to how Iran intends to “demonstrate” its weapon, is the question of just how many such devices Iran might have? Pakistan’s report is contrary to what U.S. intelligence has long indicated - repeatedly telling us Iran was only on the verge of a breakthrough concerning the technology. But, if it is so armed, there is no room for error in predicting what its leadership now might do.

While Iran lacks an intercontinental missile capability and thus is unable to target the U.S. mainland, other options remain available to effect such a demonstration. This includes targeting Israel, or a U.S. base closer to home. It could even include attacking a fellow Muslim country as Iran has already shown by striking out at Kuwait - claiming it was in retaliation for an earlier U.S. attack ...

An important warning to the West was left behind by Iran’s first Supreme Leader - the Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini (1979-1989) - about not fearing nuclear retaliation by the West. He declared, “We do not worship Iran, we worship Allah. For patriotism is another name for paganism. I say let Iran go up in smoke, provided Islam emerges triumphant in the rest of the world.”


https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2026/06/is_iran_s_claim_about_having_a_nuclear_weapon_just_false_bravado.html

IIRC before the U.S. bombed Iran, Trump claimed that Iran was just weeks away from having a nuclear weapon.  So .... what intel  does he need to finish what was started and stop them?  He has repeatedly stated that Iran must never have a nuclear weapon.

So has this become a political mid term concern?  OR is the U.S. not in a military position to win this conflict?

[mystery-ak]

https://twitter.com/NiohBerg/status/2063227948342141185

[Right_in_Virginia]

Interesting.  Yes, I have also detected a definite bias against Bibi and the Jewish State.  With that being said, @Right_in_Virginia I have always defended your right to your opinion.  Enough said.

I do not have a "bias against Bibi" @libertybele  I simply ask tough questions, post reports others routinely piss on  (not necessarily you  ) because pissing is easier than discussing.

I don't know why we are expected to blindly accept every morsal of PR from Netanyahu as unbridled truth.  I don't know why we are not permitted to ask about Netanyahu and his government the same questions we ask of any other leader and his/her government --- but the vast Republican/conservative majority is loathe to do so.

Right here, it's apparently easier and more satisfying to make me the subject of personal insults that travel from thread to thread --- simply for wanting to discuss the costs v  benefits of continuing our blanket financial, diplomatic and military guardianship of Benjamin Netanyahu and his regime.

It seems there's palpable fear of a robust debate, and in my memory this is a first for conservatives.  I just don't "get" it. 

[Right_in_Virginia]

Jared IS one of Trump's usual clowns;

Okay, now I'm stumped.  Who do you hate, Jared or the President @libertybele   

[libertybele]

I do not have a "bias against Bibi" @libertybele  I simply ask tough questions, post reports others routinely piss on  (not necessarily you  ) because pissing is easier than discussing.

I don't know why we are expected to blindly accept every morsal of PR from Netanyahu as unbridled truth.  I don't know why we are not permitted to ask about Netanyahu and his government the same questions we ask of any other leader and his/her government --- but the vast Republican/conservative majority is loathe to do so.

Right here, it's apparently easier and more satisfying to make me the subject of personal insults that travel from thread to thread --- simply for wanting to discuss the costs v  benefits of continuing our blanket financial, diplomatic and military guardianship of Benjamin Netanyahu and his regime.

It seems there's palpable fear of a robust debate, and in my memory this is a first for conservatives.  I just don't "get" it. 

Nope, I don't accept everything we hear about Bibi as the truth.  Though when multiple, credible, news sources report on him, I tend to believe their accuracy to a certain degree.

His people were slaughtered on October 7 -- his revenge has been justified and I also feel necessary to keep his people safe from being slaughtered again. 

Debating is one thing, I just don't feel that the NYT is a very credible source.  You may wish to give them credence, I don't.

I am open to debate @Right_in_Virginia though admittedly, you are far better at debating than I, that however, doesn't make me fear debating you.  Not in the least.

[Right_in_Virginia]

<sigh>

Ok. I'll type slowly. 

You posted this here:  https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?topic=581106.msg3316347#msg3316347

@libertybele immediately responded her with your quote included:  https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?topic=581106.msg3316355#msg3316355

You responded here, citing the NY Times as the source of your information:  https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?topic=581106.msg3316360#msg3316360

I investigated the source myself, and found no mention of Gaza or the West Bank.  I immediately assumed that you made that part up yourself since you have over a decade of history here doing exactly that, not to mention your considerable bias against Netanyahu and against the Jewish State in general.

Based on my likely assumption, I offered a correction here:  https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?topic=581106.msg3317081#msg3317081

You questioned my correction here:  https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?topic=581106.msg3317088#msg3317088

And I retyped your exact words here:  https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?topic=581106.msg3317119#msg3317119

At which point you wanted to know where I got [your] claim from, even though this was one continuous conversation that began with your quote.  The only way that happens is if you operate off of making up shit in your head and then losing track of the lies you post since they were never based on anything factual.

Capisce?

Thank you for the reply.   

[Right_in_Virginia]

Nope, I don't accept everything we hear about Bibi as the truth.  Though when multiple, credible, news sources report on him, I tend to believe their accuracy to a certain degree.

His people were slaughtered on October 7 -- his revenge has been justified and I also feel necessary to keep his people safe from being slaughtered again. 

Debating is one thing, I just don't feel that the NYT is a very credible source.  You may wish to give them credence, I don't.

I am open to debate @Right_in_Virginia though admittedly, you are far better at debating than I, that however, doesn't make me fear debating you.  Not in the least.

Thanks for the reply @libertybele   I appreciate your effort.

[libertybele]

Okay, now I'm stumped.  Who do you hate, Jared or the President @libertybele   

??? I don't hate President Donald J. Trump.   Notta.  I have posted, numerous links (some were taken down) years ago, revealing that Jared and Joshua's (his brother) start up money for Cadre (sp?) came from Soros -- in short, it also gave him a boost into his real estate dealings -- he was negligent several times in disclosing that $$ and companies while he was in the WH and IIRC was fined. 

As a note:  I have gone back and tried to retrace Jared's allegiance to Soros and the board members of particular companies/foundations (including Jared himself) and that information has been wiped from internet searches.  So that makes me very suspect of him.

Then there's his dealings with the Saudis -- ..... he made millions.   So excuse me if I don't trust the snake ... I didn't then and I sure as heck don't now.

[Hoodat]

Thank you for the reply.   

So again, can you please reveal your source for that statement?  Or should we all conclude that you made it up yourself?

[Hoodat]

His people were slaughtered on October 7 -- his revenge has been justified and I also feel necessary to keep his people safe from being slaughtered again. 

Keep in mind that the poster you are responding to actually blamed Netanyahu for October 7.

All without bias, of course.