Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4

[Right_in_Virginia]

Retrieve the backup?  Sorry, I'm not following.  I provided your claim.  Show me it didn't originate with you.

I need the full contex.  Sometimes links are included in other posts nearby.   If this is too much to ask, it's okay.  I understand.

Thanks.

[libertybele]

Trump's thinking outside the box .... trying to end generations upon generations of war ---- And you don't do this by sending in the usual clowns to rehash the same worn out proposals. 

Trump's trying to move the needle from war to new alliances forged in the arena of commerce.  We should be wishing him luck, not ridiculing his judgement.

Jared IS one of Trump's usual clowns; of course he's his SIL who advised him during his first administration, so perhaps that family connection is still prodding him and also allowing him to cloud his judgement for one reason or another. No, I cannot pat Trump on the back for sending in Jared.

I didn't like his choice of Jared during his first administration and I certainly don't like his choice of Jared now.

[Hoodat]

I need the full contex.  Sometimes links are included in other posts nearby.   If this is too much to ask, it's okay.  I understand.

Thanks.

<sigh>

Ok. I'll type slowly. 

You posted this here:  https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?topic=581106.msg3316347#msg3316347

@libertybele immediately responded her with your quote included:  https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?topic=581106.msg3316355#msg3316355

You responded here, citing the NY Times as the source of your information:  https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?topic=581106.msg3316360#msg3316360

I investigated the source myself, and found no mention of Gaza or the West Bank.  I immediately assumed that you made that part up yourself since you have over a decade of history here doing exactly that, not to mention your considerable bias against Netanyahu and against the Jewish State in general.

Based on my likely assumption, I offered a correction here:  https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?topic=581106.msg3317081#msg3317081

You questioned my correction here:  https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?topic=581106.msg3317088#msg3317088

And I retyped your exact words here:  https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?topic=581106.msg3317119#msg3317119

At which point you wanted to know where I got [your] claim from, even though this was one continuous conversation that began with your quote.  The only way that happens is if you operate off of making up shit in your head and then losing track of the lies you post since they were never based on anything factual.

Capisce?

[BobfromWB]

<sigh>

Ok. I'll type slowly. 

You posted this here:  https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?topic=581106.msg3316347#msg3316347

@libertybele immediately responded her with your quote included:  https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?topic=581106.msg3316355#msg3316355

You responded here, citing the NY Times as the source of your information:  https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?topic=581106.msg3316360#msg3316360

I investigated the source myself, and found no mention of Gaza or the West Bank.  I immediately assumed that you made that part up yourself since you have over a decade of history here doing exactly that, not to mention your considerable bias against Netanyahu and against the Jewish State in general.

Based on my likely assumption, I offered a correction here:  https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?topic=581106.msg3317081#msg3317081

You questioned my correction here:  https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?topic=581106.msg3317088#msg3317088

And I retyped your exact words here:  https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?topic=581106.msg3317119#msg3317119

At which point you wanted to know where I got [your] claim from, even though this was one continuous conversation that began with your quote.  The only way that happens is if you operate off of making up shit in your head and then losing track of the lies you post since they were never based on anything factual.

Capisce?

 

[libertybele]

<sigh>

Ok. I'll type slowly. 

You posted this here:  https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?topic=581106.msg3316347#msg3316347

@libertybele immediately responded her with your quote included:  https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?topic=581106.msg3316355#msg3316355

You responded here, citing the NY Times as the source of your information:  https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?topic=581106.msg3316360#msg3316360

I investigated the source myself, and found no mention of Gaza or the West Bank. I immediately assumed that you made that part up yourself since you have over a decade of history here doing exactly that, not to mention your considerable bias against Netanyahu and against the Jewish State in general.

Based on my likely assumption, I offered a correction here:  https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?topic=581106.msg3317081#msg3317081

You questioned my correction here:  https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?topic=581106.msg3317088#msg3317088

And I retyped your exact words here:  https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?topic=581106.msg3317119#msg3317119

At which point you wanted to know where I got [your] claim from, even though this was one continuous conversation that began with your quote.  The only way that happens is if you operate off of making up shit in your head and then losing track of the lies you post since they were never based on anything factual.

Capisce?

Interesting.  Yes, I have also detected a definite bias against Bibi and the Jewish State.  With that being said, @Right_in_Virginia I have always defended your right to your opinion.  Enough said.

[mystery-ak]

Qatar's Ministry of Foreign Affairs condemned Iranian attacks on Kuwait and Bahrain in a Saturday statement, calling them "a blatant violation of the sovereignty of both countries and a flagrant violation of international law."

"The Ministry of Foreign Affairs stresses the need to spare the region the repercussions of these unjustified attacks and to work towards de-escalation in order to restore regional and international security and stability," the statement read.

"The Ministry reiterates the State of Qatar's full solidarity with the State of Kuwait and the Kingdom of Bahrain and its support for all measures they take to preserve their sovereignty and security," the statement concluded.
Posted by Robert McGreevy

[BobfromWB]

Is Iran’s claim about having a nuclear weapon just false bravado?

Reported intel from Pakistan states that Iran DOES have a weapon and DOES intend to use it if the conflict continues.

Excerpt:

Reported intel from Pakistan states that Iran DOES have a weapon and DOES intend to use it if the conflict continues.

If Pakistan’s claim is true, in addition to how Iran intends to “demonstrate” its weapon, is the question of just how many such devices Iran might have? Pakistan’s report is contrary to what U.S. intelligence has long indicated - repeatedly telling us Iran was only on the verge of a breakthrough concerning the technology. But, if it is so armed, there is no room for error in predicting what its leadership now might do.

While Iran lacks an intercontinental missile capability and thus is unable to target the U.S. mainland, other options remain available to effect such a demonstration. This includes targeting Israel, or a U.S. base closer to home. It could even include attacking a fellow Muslim country as Iran has already shown by striking out at Kuwait - claiming it was in retaliation for an earlier U.S. attack ...

An important warning to the West was left behind by Iran’s first Supreme Leader - the Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini (1979-1989) - about not fearing nuclear retaliation by the West. He declared, “We do not worship Iran, we worship Allah. For patriotism is another name for paganism. I say let Iran go up in smoke, provided Islam emerges triumphant in the rest of the world.”


https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2026/06/is_iran_s_claim_about_having_a_nuclear_weapon_just_false_bravado.html

[libertybele]

Qatar's Ministry of Foreign Affairs condemned Iranian attacks on Kuwait and Bahrain in a Saturday statement, calling them "a blatant violation of the sovereignty of both countries and a flagrant violation of international law."

"The Ministry of Foreign Affairs stresses the need to spare the region the repercussions of these unjustified attacks and to work towards de-escalation in order to restore regional and international security and stability," the statement read.

"The Ministry reiterates the State of Qatar's full solidarity with the State of Kuwait and the Kingdom of Bahrain and its support for all measures they take to preserve their sovereignty and security," the statement concluded.
Posted by Robert McGreevy

Iran could care less if they are breaking international law. It obviously means nothing to them, nor does the ceasefire or any agreements that they may have reached with the U.S.

[libertybele]

Is Iran’s claim about having a nuclear weapon just false bravado?

Reported intel from Pakistan states that Iran DOES have a weapon and DOES intend to use it if the conflict continues.

Excerpt:

Reported intel from Pakistan states that Iran DOES have a weapon and DOES intend to use it if the conflict continues.

If Pakistan’s claim is true, in addition to how Iran intends to “demonstrate” its weapon, is the question of just how many such devices Iran might have? Pakistan’s report is contrary to what U.S. intelligence has long indicated - repeatedly telling us Iran was only on the verge of a breakthrough concerning the technology. But, if it is so armed, there is no room for error in predicting what its leadership now might do.

While Iran lacks an intercontinental missile capability and thus is unable to target the U.S. mainland, other options remain available to effect such a demonstration. This includes targeting Israel, or a U.S. base closer to home. It could even include attacking a fellow Muslim country as Iran has already shown by striking out at Kuwait - claiming it was in retaliation for an earlier U.S. attack ...

An important warning to the West was left behind by Iran’s first Supreme Leader - the Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini (1979-1989) - about not fearing nuclear retaliation by the West. He declared, “We do not worship Iran, we worship Allah. For patriotism is another name for paganism. I say let Iran go up in smoke, provided Islam emerges triumphant in the rest of the world.”


https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2026/06/is_iran_s_claim_about_having_a_nuclear_weapon_just_false_bravado.html

IIRC before the U.S. bombed Iran, Trump claimed that Iran was just weeks away from having a nuclear weapon.  So .... what intel  does he need to finish what was started and stop them?  He has repeatedly stated that Iran must never have a nuclear weapon.

So has this become a political mid term concern?  OR is the U.S. not in a military position to win this conflict?

[mystery-ak]

https://twitter.com/NiohBerg/status/2063227948342141185

[Right_in_Virginia]

Interesting.  Yes, I have also detected a definite bias against Bibi and the Jewish State.  With that being said, @Right_in_Virginia I have always defended your right to your opinion.  Enough said.

I do not have a "bias against Bibi" @libertybele  I simply ask tough questions, post reports others routinely piss on  (not necessarily you  ) because pissing is easier than discussing.

I don't know why we are expected to blindly accept every morsal of PR from Netanyahu as unbridled truth.  I don't know why we are not permitted to ask about Netanyahu and his government the same questions we ask of any other leader and his/her government --- but the vast Republican/conservative majority is loathe to do so.

Right here, it's apparently easier and more satisfying to make me the subject of personal insults that travel from thread to thread --- simply for wanting to discuss the costs v  benefits of continuing our blanket financial, diplomatic and military guardianship of Benjamin Netanyahu and his regime.

It seems there's palpable fear of a robust debate, and in my memory this is a first for conservatives.  I just don't "get" it. 

[Right_in_Virginia]

Jared IS one of Trump's usual clowns;

Okay, now I'm stumped.  Who do you hate, Jared or the President @libertybele   

[libertybele]

I do not have a "bias against Bibi" @libertybele  I simply ask tough questions, post reports others routinely piss on  (not necessarily you  ) because pissing is easier than discussing.

I don't know why we are expected to blindly accept every morsal of PR from Netanyahu as unbridled truth.  I don't know why we are not permitted to ask about Netanyahu and his government the same questions we ask of any other leader and his/her government --- but the vast Republican/conservative majority is loathe to do so.

Right here, it's apparently easier and more satisfying to make me the subject of personal insults that travel from thread to thread --- simply for wanting to discuss the costs v  benefits of continuing our blanket financial, diplomatic and military guardianship of Benjamin Netanyahu and his regime.

It seems there's palpable fear of a robust debate, and in my memory this is a first for conservatives.  I just don't "get" it. 

Nope, I don't accept everything we hear about Bibi as the truth.  Though when multiple, credible, news sources report on him, I tend to believe their accuracy to a certain degree.

His people were slaughtered on October 7 -- his revenge has been justified and I also feel necessary to keep his people safe from being slaughtered again. 

Debating is one thing, I just don't feel that the NYT is a very credible source.  You may wish to give them credence, I don't.

I am open to debate @Right_in_Virginia though admittedly, you are far better at debating than I, that however, doesn't make me fear debating you.  Not in the least.

[Right_in_Virginia]

<sigh>

Ok. I'll type slowly. 

You posted this here:  https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?topic=581106.msg3316347#msg3316347

@libertybele immediately responded her with your quote included:  https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?topic=581106.msg3316355#msg3316355

You responded here, citing the NY Times as the source of your information:  https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?topic=581106.msg3316360#msg3316360

I investigated the source myself, and found no mention of Gaza or the West Bank.  I immediately assumed that you made that part up yourself since you have over a decade of history here doing exactly that, not to mention your considerable bias against Netanyahu and against the Jewish State in general.

Based on my likely assumption, I offered a correction here:  https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?topic=581106.msg3317081#msg3317081

You questioned my correction here:  https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?topic=581106.msg3317088#msg3317088

And I retyped your exact words here:  https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?topic=581106.msg3317119#msg3317119

At which point you wanted to know where I got [your] claim from, even though this was one continuous conversation that began with your quote.  The only way that happens is if you operate off of making up shit in your head and then losing track of the lies you post since they were never based on anything factual.

Capisce?

Thank you for the reply.   

[Right_in_Virginia]

Nope, I don't accept everything we hear about Bibi as the truth.  Though when multiple, credible, news sources report on him, I tend to believe their accuracy to a certain degree.

His people were slaughtered on October 7 -- his revenge has been justified and I also feel necessary to keep his people safe from being slaughtered again. 

Debating is one thing, I just don't feel that the NYT is a very credible source.  You may wish to give them credence, I don't.

I am open to debate @Right_in_Virginia though admittedly, you are far better at debating than I, that however, doesn't make me fear debating you.  Not in the least.

Thanks for the reply @libertybele   I appreciate your effort.

[libertybele]

Okay, now I'm stumped.  Who do you hate, Jared or the President @libertybele   

??? I don't hate President Donald J. Trump.   Notta.  I have posted, numerous links (some were taken down) years ago, revealing that Jared and Joshua's (his brother) start up money for Cadre (sp?) came from Soros -- in short, it also gave him a boost into his real estate dealings -- he was negligent several times in disclosing that $$ and companies while he was in the WH and IIRC was fined. 

As a note:  I have gone back and tried to retrace Jared's allegiance to Soros and the board members of particular companies/foundations (including Jared himself) and that information has been wiped from internet searches.  So that makes me very suspect of him.

Then there's his dealings with the Saudis -- ..... he made millions.   So excuse me if I don't trust the snake ... I didn't then and I sure as heck don't now.

[Hoodat]

Thank you for the reply.   

So again, can you please reveal your source for that statement?  Or should we all conclude that you made it up yourself?

[Hoodat]

His people were slaughtered on October 7 -- his revenge has been justified and I also feel necessary to keep his people safe from being slaughtered again. 

Keep in mind that the poster you are responding to actually blamed Netanyahu for October 7.

All without bias, of course.

[mystery-ak]

Gen. Jack Keane says US won't throw Iran a lifeline

Retired Gen. Jack Keane outlined the U.S. strategy in ongoing negotiations with Iran, explaining that the U.S. has no plans to offer concessions to the Islamic Republic that would unfreeze assets during a Saturday morning appearance on Fox News' "Saturday In America."

"What we're trying to achieve in the negotiations is pretty simple; We want our maximalist demands that we would achieve if we were using military force. That is what we want from the regime," Keane said.

"We don't intend to throw then a lifeline and unfreeze frozen assets to them and give them billions of dollars so that they can recover, reverse the tenants and implementations of the deal and go back to where they were," he concluded.

Recent stalls in U.S.-Iran negotiations have tempered expectations raised by a May 28 Axios report, which claimed the sides had agreed to a memorandum of understanding (MOU), pending President Donald Trump's approval.

That MOU reportedly included a provision to issue sanction waivers and allow Iran to sell oil freely, according to Axios. The sanction relief, according to the outlet, would have to be proportional to Iran's willingness to allow commercial shipping in the Strait of Hormuz to resume.

But Iran, according to The Jerusalem Post and other sources, balked at the proposal and demanded immediate release of their frozen assets, an ask the Trump Administration has yet to fulfill.

In fact, the Trump Treasury Department's Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC) issued a fresh round of sanctions on Iranian liquified natural gas (LNG) networks Friday targeting "Iran’s shadow fleet, shadow banking networks, and access to global trade," Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent said in a statement.
Posted by Robert McGreevy

[mystery-ak]

White House says Trump won’t rush into ‘bad deal’ with Iran

White House principal deputy press secretary Anna Kelly said Saturday that President Donald Trump “isn’t going to rush into a bad deal” with Iran as negotiations continue over Tehran’s nuclear program.

“The president isn’t going to rush into a bad deal, and he’s been very clear that his red lines are Iran can never possess a nuclear weapon,” Kelly said during an appearance on “Fox News Live.”

“They can’t keep this enriched uranium that would be quickly improved to produce a nuclear weapon,” she added. “So Americans can rest assured any deal is going to be a good deal for the United States, and it’s going to protect our national security here in the short term, in the long term.”

Kelly’s comments come as tensions remain high in the Middle East following recent U.S. strikes on Iranian radar sites and ongoing clashes between Israel and Hezbollah in Lebanon.
Posted by Jasmine Baehr

[verga]

Is Iran’s claim about having a nuclear weapon just false bravado?

Reported intel from Pakistan states that Iran DOES have a weapon and DOES intend to use it if the conflict continues.

Excerpt:

Reported intel from Pakistan states that Iran DOES have a weapon and DOES intend to use it if the conflict continues.

If Pakistan’s claim is true, in addition to how Iran intends to “demonstrate” its weapon, is the question of just how many such devices Iran might have? Pakistan’s report is contrary to what U.S. intelligence has long indicated - repeatedly telling us Iran was only on the verge of a breakthrough concerning the technology. But, if it is so armed, there is no room for error in predicting what its leadership now might do.

While Iran lacks an intercontinental missile capability and thus is unable to target the U.S. mainland, other options remain available to effect such a demonstration. This includes targeting Israel, or a U.S. base closer to home. It could even include attacking a fellow Muslim country as Iran has already shown by striking out at Kuwait - claiming it was in retaliation for an earlier U.S. attack ...

An important warning to the West was left behind by Iran’s first Supreme Leader - the Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini (1979-1989) - about not fearing nuclear retaliation by the West. He declared, “We do not worship Iran, we worship Allah. For patriotism is another name for paganism. I say let Iran go up in smoke, provided Islam emerges triumphant in the rest of the world.”


https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2026/06/is_iran_s_claim_about_having_a_nuclear_weapon_just_false_bravado.html

If this is true, the most likely sources of the new and improved technology would have to be either China, or NORK. In descending order the likely targets would have to be Israel, U.S. military base, Kuwait, or Rome.

[BobfromWB]

IIRC before the U.S. bombed Iran, Trump claimed that Iran was just weeks away from having a nuclear weapon.  So .... what intel  does he need to finish what was started and stop them?  He has repeatedly stated that Iran must never have a nuclear weapon.

So has this become a political mid term concern?  OR is the U.S. not in a military position to win this conflict?

47 has no political will to win. By the time Iran has built out its ICBM program, he'll be out of office. If they use a nuke now, there is still no political will to respond.

47 has the 250th and the midterms to get through, before he could even think of a response, that's if Ivanka & Jarred would let him. They are still manipulating 47 like they did when he was 45.

[240B]

White House says Trump won’t rush into ‘bad deal’ with Iran

ANY "DEAL" with Iran is a bad deal. It is so confusing to hear Trump say everyday that Iran's military is completely destroyed and yet Trump continues to 'negotiate' with them. Why? Negotiate about what? If Iran is utterly defeated, then why does Trump want a deal? If Iran is defeated, then why are they still firing missiles at ships and at their neighbors?

If Iran is defeated, then how is Iran "demanding" anything? And why is Trump listening to their demands and taking the demands seriously? Make it make sense.

It's like Trump is a 'rainman' character. Got to make a deal ... a deal ... must have a deal ... a deal ... a deal ... my kingdom for a deal ... a deal will fix everything ...
All I see is an abnormal fixated obsession over a trivial meaningless nothing. A good deal or a bad deal will not change a damn thing. It will make no difference.
Trump is chasing a phantom.



But I knew! I knew that if I could just make a deal. That would show them ... that would show them all!! That I can make a deal ... I can make a deal with anyone!

[libertybele]

47 has no political will to win. By the time Iran has built out its ICBM program, he'll be out of office. If they use a nuke now, there is still no political will to respond.

47 has the 250th and the midterms to get through, before he could even think of a response, that's if Ivanka & Jarred would let him. They are still manipulating 47 like they did when he was 45.

I tend to believe that he does have the will to win in Iran.  Winning is always his objective. If they were to nuke any U.S. military base or property, I believe all hell would rain down on Iran and Trump would be relentless.  U.S. casualties are not acceptable to him.

Sure, Jared is probably making some $$ over in the ME and I don't doubt that Trump knows this, or at least suspects.  IF Jared has shown any disloyalty or given Trump any false information he will put him on the back burner, regardless of what Ivanka may think.  He's put her 'opinions' aside before.

Susie Wiles may be undergoing cancer treatment, but she's still in Trump's ear and she has made comment about those in his inner circle making things look more rosy than they are and quite likely is referring to Jared.  She IMO has been a rock for Trump.

[libertybele]

ANY "DEAL" with Iran is a bad deal. It is so confusing to hear Trump say everyday that Iran's military is completely destroyed and yet Trump continues to 'negotiate' with them. Why? Negotiate about what? If Iran is utterly defeated, then why does Trump want a deal? If Iran is defeated, then why are they still firing missiles at ships and at their neighbors?

If Iran is defeated, then how is Iran "demanding" anything? And why is Trump listening to their demands and taking the demands seriously? Make it make sense.

It's like Trump is a 'rainman' character. Got to make a deal ... a deal ... must have a deal ... a deal ... a deal ... my kingdom for a deal ... a deal will fix everything ...
All I see is an abnormal fixated obsession over a trivial meaningless nothing. A good deal or a bad deal will not change a damn thing. It will make no difference.
Trump is chasing a phantom.



But I knew! I knew that if I could just make a deal. That would show them ... that would show them all!! That I can make a deal ... I can make a deal with anyone!

All I can say is that I am of the opinion that Trump is not done with Iran.  Timing may be everything.

[Cyber Liberty]

All I can say is that I am of the opinion that Trump is not done with Iran.  Timing may be everything.

I don't think Trump is done with them either, but he is more patient than I would be!  He knows a lot more about the situation than we do, and that's to be expected.

[BobfromWB]

I tend to believe that he does have the will to win in Iran.  Winning is always his objective. If they were to nuke any U.S. military base or property, I believe all hell would rain down on Iran and Trump would be relentless.  U.S. casualties are not acceptable to him.

Sure, Jared is probably making some $$ over in the ME and I don't doubt that Trump knows this, or at least suspects.  IF Jared has shown any disloyalty or given Trump any false information he will put him on the back burner, regardless of what Ivanka may think.  He's put her 'opinions' aside before.

Susie Wiles may be undergoing cancer treatment, but she's still in Trump's ear and she has made comment about those in his inner circle making things look more rosy than they are and quite likely is referring to Jared.  She IMO has been a rock for Trump.

If 47 had the political will [ not to be confused with have a will ] to win, then 47's War™ would have been over in March with an unconditional surrender, not begging Iran for some magic deal.

Who said Wiles was a good guy in all of this self-made mess? Maybe she's the problem or part of it.

[Timber Rattler]

Who said Wiles was a good guy in all of this self-made mess? Maybe she's the problem or part of it.

I honestly don't know what her roll is in all of this.  Personally, I think that Trump sits up all night binge watching the news channels, and gets spooked easily by bad reports and videos, causing him to make stupid, arbitrary statements and decisions the following mornings.

[Cyber Liberty]

I honestly don't know what her roll is in all of this.  Personally, I think that Trump sits up all night binge watching the news channels, and gets spooked easily by bad reports and videos, causing him to make stupid, arbitrary statements and decisions the following mornings.

None us are flies on the wall when Trump meets with Wiles.